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Episode 358 - Black Lives Matter 2020

Atheist Nomads

45:49 min | 2 months ago

Episode 358 - Black Lives Matter 2020

"Atheist as episode three fifty eight. Yes black lives really do matter. A podcast your about to listen to include cursing and talking about who hawes, please be advised. Welcome to another episode of atheists, nomads and seriously. WHAT THE FUCK! Yeah! Where we over this away. NOPE, never. Man I mean. We. We had an episode. Actually it was I tried taking your break. This would have been around sewed seventy or so. Try to take a week off from the podcast and. The Ferguson riots. Annexation of Crimea. And transparent ban. North Carolina all happened that we. Yeah. You get pulled right back with that and this week had a great interview. Recorded done, and it's getting pushed back a week because. Yeah the stuff that would have been. Important things to talk about. Pale in comparison right now. Yeah Yeah So. Kids. You weren't paying attention. Black people are dying. The particular current random protests started with. On May twenty, five. George Floyd. Allegedly attempted to buy a pack of cigarettes with a counterfeit twenty dollar bill oh no. Which is really petty crime yeah. He was stopped. and was perceived by the COP. The the arresting cops to be resisting arrest. He was resisting going into the COP car. And explained to them that he's CLAUSTROPHOBIC. and wasn't trying to resist arrest. He just didn't want to get in the back of the COP. Car because of the CLAUSTROPHOBIA. At which point and he? Calm down once. They stopped trying to put him in the car. Sat him down, and then one of the officers kicked him onto his side. Even though he was already down and as backup was arriving. Yeah backup or somebody called him back up for this. That's Hilarious, an unarmed black man on a counterfeit twenty dollar bill. Arrest. This is over twenty dollars Yep. The officers then proceeded once. He was kicked down to hold him down by kneeling on him. Including what officer kneeling on his neck. For more than eight minutes. while. He repeatedly called for his Mama. Told them that he couldn't. Lost consciousness. One of the officers tried to find a pulse and couldn't. And they continued. To kneel down on his by this point dead. Body. Yeah, it's still it's still bothers me when it subscribed of and what freaks me out. The guy who is doing the kneeling on the neck has done this before. He's he's. He killed another guy. So. There's an which is it perfectly illustrates the problem. This is what people are protesting. IS THAT PEOPLE COPS? Bad cops really just get waived through the system they don't get. Prosecuted for murder. and if it's a black band, involved head doesn't really get any kind of. You know the the person. The the victims blamed every time. There's no reason why. Any American should be afraid of being killed by the police. And White. People take that for granted right like I think it's reasonable to assume that you might be killed by the police if you have a gun to somebody's head. Yeah. Of that or you know. Taking over a government building with us. With. Automatic weapons. Yes, that would be good grounds to be worried about being killed by the police. Heck I would say you should be concerned about being killed by the police if you storm the state capitol steps with an assault rifle. Yep, so, but those are just people trying to protest for their rights. Yep, those are those are just good. People trying to get back to norm their normal lives of. so all over the country. We had protests. Vigils. All the black lives matter stuff has come back. To the surface and everybody's on edge because of the Kovin stuff and this just this country's falling apart and trump. And trump is making everything well. Of course, he's making things worse because this, at least even though it makes him look like a terrible racist dictator distracts from the fact that over one hundred thousand people have died from. Right during the pandemic that he's completely, let get out of control not that I'm saying that's the. Main issue here. That's not but. He's really good at doing that ball and cup routine. Well I wouldn't be surprised. If that whole stunt he did at the church was just another way of distracting people from what's going on Oh. That was totally to rile up his base. Yeah, what he's been doing. This whole time is riling up his base. It's all about as image. It's all ego, and he wants to be seen as a firm authoritarian. In quotes? When really everybody else is just like that. That's pretty much fascism and Our country doesn't really mix well with fascism, not when it's so blatant so specifically what happened with event and I'm sure you've probably all heard about it already. Is. Donald trump went onto the White House steps after being called a coward for hiding in the White House bunker because there were peaceful protesters outside the White House. Gates. That's standard procedure. The Secret Service would've shuffled him no matter what. or He could have gone out and actually spoken to right so. He gets called a coward going down to the base to the bunker. And so he then. goes out to the White House lawn, and gives a speech about law and order saying that he will be our law and order president. Which? Racists loved use code. Words and law and order means kill people. That's all law and order really means law and order YEP that's. It's kill as many black people as you can find excuses for and throw the rest in prison for the rest of their lives. That's what law and order really means America. And if you don't think so. Ask Around Talk to any black man. Or just any black person per person of color in general yeah. Anybody's WHO's American Indian? Native American Asian. Hispanic Hispanic Oh. My God I mean if. Happens all the time. I had an online argument with somebody who? I know surprise. On, facebook where he was, I was saying that you know Idaho's pretty famous for. Their racial the racial. Hatred. So. Don't be. Super Pat Yourself on the back because we had one peaceful protest. But what it was, it was a response to a woman who was posting a SOB story from a cop in Las Vegas, because apparently, one of their troops got was shot and killed. and. Yes, that is sad. So he goes on to list all the difference. Crimes against the police that have happened in the past. Five days. How many have been hit by cars or been attacked or have been? Hit or shot at or whatever and I'm just like. Why are you posting this? This isn't about them right. Because cops have reacted in two ways, they've either. With the protesters. And stood with them in solidarity, or they grab the Reich year, and they go, and they start the fight, yeah! I mean the one Seattle's pretty famous for their riots. Riley it's almost like a generational. Rite of passage. This is the the National Guard has been deployed to downtown Seattle This is the first time that has happened to respond to a rate. Since one thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine Yep Yep, since about generational, and I was watching the video of one of the lines, and it was people chanting We don't see a right here. Why are you in right gear? In the cops, the cops who were? And there was a barricade and there were sent people in front had umbrellas. Get sprayed pepper sprayed or hit with something. An umbrella might help. The most obvious when you can see in the video is a pink one. The COP reached out and grabbed it. Try to pull it away from the guy. The guy back another cop step forward may stem, and then it just erupted into chaos. Why did that COP grabbed the umbrella? Why you should be standing there, stone faced not going to be a muscle. That's what they did at the White House with those yeah rednecks and Hicks Yeah. They're like the frigging Queens Guard so okay back to trump in the White House lawn. Yeah, he he. Declares himself to be the law and order president. And goes on to. Talk About having talked to. All of the governor's. Telling them that they need to get things into line. Or Hilson, the Armenian. He and I just get things online that he needs that. All of the governors need to dominate. The protests and dominate the streets. The word he used was dominate. And if they don't then, he will send the ARMY IN TO DOMINATE YEAH! Then! How many governors rolled their eyes? How many Republican governors rolled their eyes at him over that? Let alone the Democrats yeah and then. He had the US Army. See. US, army, the Secret Service and National Park Police. Fire off tear gas, flash BANGS and a barrage of rubber bullets into the crowd that was peacefully protesting outside the White House. To get the crowd to scouter. So that trump. And, his cronies could walk over to Saint John's Church. For a photo op or he's holding a Bible. And, he's not whole at the posture of the picture. The photo op is very telling. Of what he means, he's holding up as. A very staunch disciplined. DOMINEERING WAY! The Holy Bible to him is not something for comfort or piece it is to be used to. Weapon it's a weapon. It, what it would have been no different than if he was holding up a gun or a sword, a sword, the the exactions. Imagery is. Like in Braveheart Braveheart where Mel Gibson polled the sword up over his head. That's what Donald Trump was doing with a bible yeah. Normally if somebody's trying to do a photo op with the Bible. Be, holding it around waist, level, or over your heart. Yeah, you want to give this. You know smarmy comforting. Yeah, happy feeling! No, he's using it as a weapon, so that's. Another way that this affects many Americans. mean. man, the secular people are just going really. Yep Somebody pointed out. Go Beg a prostitute prostitute in the hotel room. You get a Free Bible. Almost feels like he's like. Hey, yeah, my bottle, Bible, this legitimate legitimate sizes. My actions just now so then. Sticking with Washington DC for now. After that. The this morning. Recording on Wednesday. The army pulled out of the troops back out and. Defense Secretary Esperer said that. This is you know using the army to deal with? Protests and an uprising is a absolute resort thing and we haven't reached that point yet. Not even close. He then got called into the White House. And then ordered the army back into Washington. And buses and trucks full of soldiers. Moved back into the. Nation's capital. Helicopters flying around. To dominate. He. He sold out. He's going to be fired by the end of the week. I'm sure I mean if you say something like that and the pre and trump calls, you and you know you're done so y give them anything. Why not just quit? Because nobody with the backbone still works for Donald Trump. And it just blows my mind, and if you ask, there's a whole bunch of people. Well a whole bunch of a governor governor I think we're asked about what they thought about this. Mitt Romney whole couple Republicans there, senator but Yeah Senators Okay Law Congress. People were asked what do you? What do you think about this and they're like? Oh, I didn't see it. Sorry. I'm late for lunch, no comment. You guys you spineless. assholes yeah. People were having hopes of with Romney Romney was starting to look like maybe he would. Stand up against trump on some things, and this was definitely one that he should have, and he didn't. He's always looking like he might finally start standing up to trump, and and and then a part of me just remembers. How Incredibly Racist Mormons are. They don't mean to be, but they are. and. this is just one. This one that yeah the they're going to let. Trump just walk all over. With the Bible in his hand. So now let's get into the protests and off of off of trump. Right, because it's not about him. The. Peaceful protests have started in every major city. Across the United States. A lot of minor cities across the United States and. Across Canada. Parts, of Europe. Australia New Zealand. PROBABLY MORE PLACES YEAH PROTESTING Police. In America murdering black men! Yep! And we're, we're the. I wouldn't say we're the laughing stock. This is too serious to be called laughingstock, but. Yeah! We're not looking much better than Israel right now. We really aren't. Not Looking much better than Nazis right now. Yeah, yeah, this is. This is getting a little too close to Israel and Palestine with their apartheid and south, Africa's apartheid and fucking Jim Crow Yeah. So. These protests. All sorted out peaceful. and. Man You look at the breadth of articles about when they turned to riots and some and I'm GonNa Guess. Most of them are probably at least somewhat accurate. Getting started by white supremacists going in. Anarchists. Drug Cartels. Tika! The cops. and. Angry! Black, people and just angry douchebag white people. So many dish bag white people. That's that's the that's been Idaho's problem. On those two kids I mean these are teenagers in one to Jerome one here took a gun to a rally and went off on quote. Unquote accident. That guy here was the counter protests against the black lives matter protests right so what happens if you have a peaceful protest and a bunch of people show up with guns, one of which actually goes off. It's amazing. The police didn't open fire because he was white. Yeah. He was arrested and help that his friends all turned on him and told them what a fucking idiot. He was basically turned him over to the cops right away. Salt Lake City A. White guy showed up to the protests with A. Bow and Arrow. drew the bow and was ready to fire at the. Crowd! Just randomly was going to hit somebody. The crowd charged him. Two guys tackled him and beat the shit out of him while the rest of the crowd flipped his car and later on fire. So. That is just an amazing. Amazingly satisfying overreaction, but is it because this guy was going to hurt? Slash kill somebody good aim. He would have killed somebody. Most likely would have just enjoy yeah and. But does he think what's going to happen? Right, you go to a protest where people are protesting brutality. And you threaten them with violence. You're going to get brutal on your on. A lot of these riots are it starts off as a defense mechanism. And it's usually not the protesters that are instigating. There's just more and more coming out with these weird swipe. Supremacist groups, young young young men. Usually, core being co, opted into trying to start shit, or who just are angry and want to start shit. Yeah, those are the high school. Anarchists are people who haven't really grown out of the anarchist phase gangs. And just WANNA. Start Shit. Those are the ones who are leaving bricks around town. Hoping to start something hoping to get somebody blamed for something, these are the kids that went to the protest last night and started chanting. Donald Trump in the middle of the moment of silence. I. Mean s just how. They're lucky they didn't get this. Out of them to. And in all practicality, the Minneapolis is where the rioting began. and. If the reports are correct that it was a combination of white supremacists anarchist. In drug cartels. Trying to push city into chaos. then. That set every cop around the country on edge. and. We got to see their true colors. Yeah and some of them degrade. Yeah so the kneeled when the protesters showed up some of them road with them on horseback. frigging. Leave it up to Texas. All. Right for frigging cops to show up on horseback the. God and then joined the March yeah. The sheriff over Flint Michigan. Walked up to the protests, and he and his officers joined the started. They joined into the March Y-. What, you see when that happens, hugging and crying. Fort Worth Texas. Oklahoma City. People joining the pro- cops joining the protest rather than fighting Florida Florida actually made headlines in a good way except for. Sheriff Grady, a greedy judd of Polk County, who way his name is grady, Judd. I might have that a little bit wrong, but not enough that that sounds like like classic bad guy of Polk. County. Earl my God He. He warned Bert Reynolds protesters. warned protesters not to go out into neighborhoods because everybody there is armed because he's been encouraging everybody to have guns, and he's told them all to be on the ready and be on the lookout. which that's how joggers shot? Yeah and that somebody has video that happening I think it. I don't remember. I don't know where I'm not even GonNa try to say, but basically curfew-hit cops went down with a tank followed by actual cops in riot gear. Yeah, these guys were sitting out on the front porch video, recording the whole thing and one. They started shooting. Because these people are sitting on their porch I think that was Louisville. Passed curfew should have been inside. It's like no I shouldn't have to go into. Your Porch is fine lockdown because the fricken. Powers that be have gotten crazy, yeah! Again getting shot by a rubber bullet ain't fun. We've already had several you know. Lot of people have gotten seriously injured. I don't know if anybody has died. Zolt of the protests, but there's been a lot of prominent in. The. Louisville was where I think. It was Indianapolis was where the person on the porch gut shot at. For being out past? Louisville was where you had. National. Guard and police lined up against protestors. Somebody fires a shot, so a bunch of cops and soldiers opened fire. And killed one of the protesters that's. Unforgivable. That's the point where if you're just opening fire on a crowd. That is not law enforcement. That is a military. Dictatorship. That's urban warfare yeah. We really need cooler heads to prevail. Yeah. And Cooler heads are are. Not! Cooler heads are getting threatened by Donald Trump yeah. They're GONNA lose their. Careers, they're, GONNA lose their. LIVES THEY'RE GONNA lose their. Because they're not on Putin's payroll. Okay. Vitamer Putin. We know is. Cheering this whole thing on because de stabilized America. One of the Russians plans for how to destablize America this year. To make sure that Donald trump gets reelected is a race war. Do whatever they can to. Increase tensions. We also know that white supremacist groups do. A surprising amount have ties to Russia. CIA, are have been infiltrating police departments systematically. For decades. Portland Oregon has had a serious problem with that. Where basically? The Portland KKK branch. became just the police department. or at least a significant enough part of the police department. Well. That's one thing that they can do after this is. You know. Start filling their ranks with black people. For the Irish. There's the other thing is is what what does all comes down to is. Basically. It's a gang gang war where the the white police are one gang. Versus all the other things and they both have guns in. They're fighting each other, and it's just insane. Well the white cops. In at least parts of the east are mostly. Irish and Italian. They were the gangs. Your two years ago. So now they're the cops. How else to improve relations than to? Affirmative action that shit well what what happened about forty years ago or More six years ago is. Irish and Italian. We're finally considered to be white. Because the definition of white went beyond just white. Protestant to just white. We drop that part and just have it be. Americans. Yeah. We want Americans to be. Police officers. And I really what I would love to see is just A. Return focused to. Nonlethal. What do you call that we're? We're actually that right now. The with the rubber bullets except the real one. The Teargas Rubber Bullets Bean bounds the TASERS. That's all about the stuff to Sweden does. where? They basically a police officer is basically your therapists that shows up. Talks you down. Sweden and Britain and the rest of the. Civilized world where COP routine patrol cops don't have guns. No, they don't need guns. because. If you have a gun, you be you become a target. Well and the problem with black people or actually most people of Color in general as your skin is your gun. You're not considered unarmed if you're colored. That's just how. Are Unfortunately. Our culture is just stuck in that do every every black kid has a gun. Just assume and you'll be safe. No, you assume and you get people killed. In this is one of the big issues is. We have militarized society. where? A significant portion of the population. The counter protesters specifically right now. Have Military Grade Weapons. If. The civilians have military grade weapons that means the criminals definitely have military grade weapons, and the police need to be able to match that. No they need to be able to beat that. You're right, yeah! And we've been seeing A. Major Major. ramp-up arms race between. What? Gangs can get the gangs and cartels can get. And the police trying to keep up with that. which is why we're seeing tanks in the street protests? Santa's the police arm up. The criminals have to increase their armament. When criminals increase armament, rednecks have to increase. There's as well yeah got into. The police have to try to make sure they've got better weapons than everybody else. Until? It looks a lot more like Baghdad here. I don't know what Baghdad looks like anymore, but has been. I don't know what would be right now. Go Syria. So in the middle of a civil war, you don't want it to look like we're in the middle of a civil war. But aren't we? Just a little. Feels like it. Not Officially. But culturally this is. Definitely in the middle of a lot of protests and If. I'm sad, is a gonNA. Come down and be forgotten again I. Don't think it will this time. That's what they say about Trayvon Martin and Ferguson. This time, it's not just. Ferguson Missouri that is has buildings burning. It's every major city in the country. Has Buildings burning or cars or cars burning salt lake looking at you if People. Forget the riots will return. and. It will require stopping. This will require. Major reforms. And we're not going to see that. With this administration with trump threatening to send in the army. Even with even before before, he even said anything like that. This is not an administration where you get reform. No. Not at least not good before not good or no, nope, nope Nope, Y- for for for one a great first step. So by the way if you I mean not to. Insert my own political leanings here, but if you're not voting for Biden Oh my God. Oh, it's actually yeah, let's go there. To get rid of trump, please is going to kill us. This is. If you think voting third party or not? Voting is a viable option. Your fucking idiot. And White. Yeah We have it is a binary choice. mathematically it will always be a binary choice. Winner takes all will always result in two viable candidates. If you, vote for one. You help that one win. If you don't vote for that one, you help the other guy win. So any way of not voting for Biden, helps, Donald Trump. His past a victory. is by getting more of his base to vote, but that's not enough. He needs to get as many. Left leaning or at least not Bat Shit right-leaning people to not vote as he can. Yeah. So. And, It. All you have to do is look at the public remarks. Trump in Biden have made in response to this. Trump has threatened to deploy the fucking are united. States army on US cities to attack US citizens. Who are engaged in peaceful protest. Joe Biden. has called for calm peace and reform. And he's met with the family. Trump also talked to George Floyd's brother. But trump talked to him and didn't give them a chance to get a word in other edgewise. Biden called in listened. Enough of that political. Rambling, no, no, I want to make sure this is incredibly clear. You have to vote for Joe Biden. In November. That is the only action you can really seriously take. To make things even a little bit better or at least try to keep things from continuing to get worse. And with the the. What kind of reform do we need we need? Police. Complaints against police to be handled independently. Not by the local prosecutors who work hand in hand with the local police. We need. Police departments to purge their ranks of racist assholes. We need. Police departments to demilitarize. They need to go back to being law enforcement and not paramilitary organizations. Yeah. That means disbanding Swat. That means giving back the tanks. Getting rid of the assault rifles. and. Scaling Way way down. Now if they're peacekeepers, yeah, now if there is serious reason to maintain some specialist units. Have, a couple specialist units at the state level. But keep it out of the local police. Because you don't need that from you. Don't need the city police to build a bust up drug ring. Right that, that's. We've all seen law and order. We've all seen had many levels. It takes to get something like that. Don is not your local sheriff is going to be doing that. And also you need to. Recruit differently. Yeah Way, don't you? You need to be going to areas. You'd never gone to and using languages you've never used and getting people into your ranks that are from different backgrounds, 'cause the only way that you're going to get a diverse and culturally sensitive peacekeeping force. Ferguson Missouri, at least in two thousand, fourteen was a prime example of. How bad it can be where the if I remember correctly. The Police Department was seventy percent white. While, the community was seventy percent black. Completely flipped ratio you should have. The police. Demographics matched the community. And I'm not saying if you have to applications and one is whitens was black. You just go with the black when if everything else is equal? That's not what affirmative action is. It's basically just changing your recruitment process. Will you give other people a chance? Before, they never had a chance. White? People all know how to where to go to recruit white people. Yeah, it's easy. Go to your local high school instead up a little booth. No colored kid is gonNA. Go Up to a COP. High School and sign up, but white kids will. That's an easy way to. To do it, but if you go into their communities and you actually talk to people and. Do Word of mouth. That will get you lot further. and. The other thing is. We all need to realize and recognize. Our! Biases and our own racism. It sucks that there is absolutely no way that we can avoid raising our child to not be racist. She is in a white, some delight some culture. She is I think she's only actually interacted with a black child, her age maybe twice. Because no black kids don't make it to the Public Library for story time. To she doesn't. She hasn't had that ability so by the time she's four or five. She's going to have an idea of what the other is and it's not. GonNa. Look like the opposite of what our family looks like and and I didn't do anything about it, and then she'll go to kindergarten. Where they'll probably be. Ten different languages represented in her class. Because we are a refugee city, yeah, people tend to forget that. Was Not Racist, we'll take a look at how we treated the refugees great. And also just. Take a look at the rural areas of the state and the northern part of the state. Yeah. ooh, oh! You know we big problems up in. They thought that people of southern. Think that that all the nations are gone. That they left. Guess what they didn't leave you guys. They may have moved their headquarters or disbanded their chapter, but they're still living there. The heck they're running for frigging senator and representative all the time. We have an pretty sure. Heather Scott is one. She acts like it. They tried moving their headquarters from Hayden Lake Idaho. To grants, pass Oregon where where I was growing up at the time. where I grew up and this was in the mid nineties and The land they picked. It was outside the city limits and just county was able to find a loophole to keep them from buying the land. Because the plot they were looking for was within. A thousand feet of middle school. and. There was a state law that allowed them to keep them out. Nice. Part of why they were wanting to do that. Grants Pass. Already had a KKK office downtown. Yeah, you didn't need the area nations to. Yeah. These. These different white supremacist groups don't necessarily get along. No, no, they don't necessarily, but they are willing to band together to defeat the common enemy. Yeah! And it's. It's. This is bad. If you're protesting? Stay safe where mask. If a COP pulls down your mask. The pepper spray you. Kick him in the balls now. I don't know if that works in a complaint. To Your State Attorney General. He's the pandemic as a weapon. Yes, all right do it. Social distancing. She'd be maintained as much as possible gave you. Seen the pictures from last night's protests in Boise there is no way anybody could maintain social distancing. With the what two or three thousand people there? Oh, it was packed, yeah! The the Lussier that was at the protest before the vigil the vigil. I mean if it's just, there's a lot of people, yeah. But yeah. STAY SAFE IF YOU'RE NOT PROTESTING I understand why. It's scary and if you have kids, don't risk it. Kind of thing, but support those who are and for God's Sakes, written history. If. You don't know about the Tulsa race, right? It's you need to learn about it watchmen. That's the that's what opened a lot of people's eyes to a New York. City has a curfew. In effect. First Time since nineteen forty three Oh, wow. You guess why there is a curfew nineteen forty-three in New, York, city. Race. Riot Yep White. Police officer shot a black soldier and it set off. Riots yeah, that's bad yup. which the city responded to with with? Curfews and so exactly what they're doing now, Yup! Managed to get people to forget about it for another generation, so trump's most famous tweet about all of this. The when the looting starts, shooting starts now choose a quote from. The County Sheriff or Miami County I think it was actually Miami County at that point out Miami, Dade County. In the nineteen sixties. Right before the Miami, race riots began. Yeah, it was totally the wrong thing to say no, he knew it. That was not an accident. None of the none nothing that he does really an accident. He is trying to rile up his base. Yeah! And he knows that if more likely to win if they're a race rights going on during the election, he also knows just like Richard Nixon did. That if people who are likely to vote against you get charged with felonies. They can't vote. Yeah so if you think you know th. The drug war. The drug war we have today. All started with Nixon trying to get it, so the college students couldn't vote college students, and that's why we have a lot of people in in prison. For nonviolent crimes it's it's just a way to keep people from voting. So people who can't vote. You gotTA do your duty. Duty. I'm tired yeah. Yeah so. If. We got details wrong. We got the wrong. I'm sorry we're angry. I'm angry. And but I suppose this is better than my idea. I just wanted to. Apparently doesn't missed blackout. Tuesday hashtag blackout Tuesday so the concept of doing a blackout episode. Totally over his head. Like well. Yeah, you just go on, you say in solidarity with you know are. You know people of Color were. We're not going to bitch and complain. This week and then have five minutes of silence. No No Dead Air Hurts me. Okay, okay, WE'LL! We'll talk about it instead. All right well. We'll get back to normal programming next week. 'cause there's a whole nother group of people that are suffering that we need to talk about Yup. And this was sir. Live to tape? No okay good for you I'm making one edit. And that's it. The ANTIFA ONE YUP. Right in with your opinion. So. Until next week remember. Not all those who wander are lost. But black lives definitely do matter. Oh and on that one. If anybody says? All is matter. Or that black lives matter is a racist thing to say because of course, everybody's life matters. The there's. You just need to point out that there's an implied to at the end of black lives matter. Black lives matter to. As an also as an also. As in of course, all lives matter, but black lives matter to fucking racist piece of Shit. Yeah tonight. Thank you for listening to another episode of atheists nomads, he can find show notes and contact information at atheist. NOMADS DOT COM follow us on twitter at eighty s nomads and like us on facebook at facebook dot com slash is nomads. Please subscribe to the show and I tunes, Stitcher, or your podcast of choice, and while you're, there feel free to leave us a review. Theme Music is courtesy of Study Fred until next time this has been he atheists nomads.

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197 - Grandma Surprise

"This is exactly right. Hello and welcome favorite murder. That's Georgia hearing kilkare. Forgot my line. I I forgot my lines. We had the whole show memorize immediately. Drop lines in the first one job. You had one job to memorize your podcast broadcasting line. How's it going good we're leaving for the UK? Tomorrow which is Tuesday's but this comes out on Thursday so it's two days ahead we're ahead and then we're also so early because we just record it live once so this one we're definitely off our normal system. Yeah so it's GonNa be we. We said we were GonNa put our the headphones on. Oh Yeah we're GONNA record that just to shake things got who's head worthies last time this is almost like dour we're in our own separate Like isolation tank away from the PODCAST will the hang on to hear each other. Oh No oh ooh ooh oh yeah turned on soon. That's exciting so we're wearing head by. millicent very exciting at home for you listeners. Kick mine up just yours the first one you touched this one. That's my now. You're where you're right. Hand is now get away from their area. That was. Yeah Okay Eh can now on. It's perfect for you because you can't hear anything right. Oh my God you look like such a podcast right now with your headphones thank you. I've always monitor to take kids who this is now. We're going to be able to hear all the intimate details of our voices Shannon all the times we clocked on the fucking fucking table on accident and all the time. Big Fake Teeth. Get in the way of me talking which is often these days. It's like our third podcast host. Your teeth that's right and they are. They will be heard. They will not be silent in my mouth but I hear myself drinking this can of wine yes I love it. How come I didn't get any? Can't Michael promoter canned wine from the Santa Barbara Weekend and get one. I wanted to say the can you just drank it. All Two thousand crush against your head must've been it and I just don't remember that because because you remember that weekend it was show off time the entire time. I kept saying that to a Georgia the entire weekend because as I described to somebody yesterday I said it was a really fun weekend but it was one of those things where every time we were in the room we were in the center of the room and there was a ring of people standing around us just staring like yeah. I can't resist that nightmare. It's well it's my. It's my thank God biggest dream since age five so I had to keep pulling myself back from really getting into it. I'll do it I need it. It's perfect from. It's my favorite. I need someone else to talk because otherwise we'll just like remember ruin we're on stage with About your hat chill like you're at your. You're happy I feel like I have been The it's showing off is relief my passion and there's nothing you know like this is the only thing that actually Lee satisfies it. Yeah having a podcast makes you a a nonstop twenty four seven show too yeah. I can't get enough attention speaking of attention and the UK in Ireland tour. There are tickets left in the only the only we shall we haven't sold out Dublin. Blin guys come on the twenty fifth you said you liked. Does we added a second show for Y'all come on Y'all come on y'all I mean I bet it's almost almost sold out almost sold out a handful of tickets. We'll just hand them out on the street if we don't sell them all in the handful sets right to people who there's GonNa there would be nothing worse than forcing Irish people to go to a show they don't WanNa go to. That's an audience who don't want just based on my American Irish experience. They're already a pretty judgmental things. They enjoy the most fun thing. Though without touring is is when like when we go to like a pub the night before we go to the car rental of the night before four and the person working there was like. Oh my Adam's such a big fan we go. Do you want to go to the show tickets so we can do it now for that night and download the great then. Let's you know what cancelled an announcement. There's no more tickets we're going to be driving up and down the countryside giving away tickets I think pubs whoever we see the farmers pulling hey in carts old fashioned style. Ethin- Still Nice. That's the first time I ever visited Ireland. We landed we landed of course Dublin but then we drove west to Doolan. I think was the first city we went to. And we got there We were walking up the street to our hotel and on the passing US was an guy driving a cart that a cow was pulling with a bunch of hey in the back and he yelled top. Top of the morning T. l.. But I think it was sarcasm though I think he was like clearly. You're a bunch of Americans experience you WanNa be having. It's like when you drive past a truck driver and you're like Hong. I was like Irish version of that. But it was says idea which is like another like the built in sarcasm culture where just like top of that Maron Intel Yeah Q.'s. Probably from Scotland in the whole accent was fake. But you know that's that's what they're like. Speaking of selling our souls There's GonNa be new holiday merch. Yes in the merge store great transition Beautiful seamless Segue Hugh. And now we're boom into the place as I love to be merch thing. We have some really fucking cool murph coming asset like so exciting. We're so anal about what we allow like to be merch right yes. It's important to Obama clearly important to us. We won't just anything we have notes. We have this we want this. We have these bright the ideas of like. Let's try this so everything that's going in on the twenty fifth of November is like all stuff that we are really into excited about including some stuff for murdering makers that's so exciting. Get to support and work with them. Yeah okay that's all I'm done okay. That was I. Don't WANNA I don't WanNa hear my problem all of these headphones I can hear myself talk. Yeah is it going to impede the. Are you going to get to self conscious. I might maybe for my story. I'll take off again over here. I'm couldn't love it more I'm like. Wow Oh wow I've never see I've never experienced great my fucking voices. Why do I sit in my house crying all the time I this was? This is a So we're always talking about corners. There are different corners crushing corners or whatever We pretty much just this on this. PODCAST Georgian. I just kind of say the things that we think to say every week. There's not a ton of planning there's definitely no pre writing except for the stories. We're trying to not follow through not follow through all the you've if we don't have to explain it to you and you know if you've been here for all that explanation look you know you're on your this is more of a starter information starter kit kit right now. You go look stuff but somebody's sentence so we've been calling things corners this whole time for three years just out of laziness but someone wrote in a great suggestion. It was her name Brittany Erin. It was on twitter. And she wrote to us she were to me and the podcast. I feel like your new segment quote. I I need to tell you. Something should be announced by drunk Karen so I guess last week I said that the new segment was going to be called. I need to tell you something because it was so general I was just telling you random shit but could ado let me tell you some Ono drunk carrying to tell you. It's not good. No Soup podcasts. It sounds like you got your period on the back of your pants tell you it's always. He's bad news. When it's coming up I tell you something came up twenty I need? I need to tell you Dan. We advocated yeah. Okay can always almost asleep. That's the other thing I realized about her. She's so drunk that she's right on the verge of just passing out almost almost night night so that anyway look for that future segment. That's never going to happen. I need to tell you something by drunk care. And then let's both collectively forget it. Set it and forget it right ideas. The dump cakes of ideas. It's the microwaving for one cookbook. The the idea of ideas. It's the Spoon Ula. It's a spatula spoon. You can flip it in scope and you can also. Oh you know Jerry spatulas or like the things you don't fuck in manned sling it statue me Georgia. I won't. Where's how does uh spoon happened since spatulas by definition are kind of flat lightly curved and his phone okay? So you're not gonNA eat cereal with this but you can get stuff out. If you need to pence you could eat cereal with it will be more depressing than just eating cereal with a wooden spoon. Which I think is so I have spoon? That's bigger than all the other spoons. I intentionally use that to eat cereal or you have to cram as much fucking mouth is possible. Yes it's I of the and it's to my detriment but I definitely have the eating attitude. If I'm going to do it I might as well go for it. That's what I'm that's my plan for the two weeks we are in Ireland. It's happening. We had a little discussion discussion before we started recording. About how exciting it is that we get to have t the in in the UK and Ireland were so excited about it and all the little things is that in in my. I'll just make it personal in my childhood and growing up candy was not it was not it was frowned upon. It was it was as I always had to sneak it and I wanted it all the time I thought about all the time. Candy and cookies and sweet culturally in especially in London. I will say or England. Sorry England in the whole country. They take an intentional break at three o'clock everyday and eat candy together and I love it. They call it cakes. Hey cts there's like cakes like little things and trumpets and they're really into twix. Yeah really into to all right. It's GonNa it's happening so hard when we're there we just get. We're going to get supported for our bad habits. Do you know what else we're doing when I'm really excited about what. We're going to football match. Oh yes and we have to sit in like is an area for people who don't usually go because it's so rowdy crazy. I love it. It's going to be the best. I'm going to be the one sober person and Unin tire. Stadium Walk Walk. I'm GonNa be the only beer free hugh and men's Noggin. Like we had some guys that would be that would actually be good penance for me to pay is I've handled events and drunk Georgia and get us out of a football stadium without getting punched in the face seen drunk Georgia. She's fun. She is fun done right. She and she's exactly like regular Georgia. It just gets a little bit like giggle earlier as it go louder louder gig earlier and a little more like sloppy a little meaner egner. Yeah I like it like talking shit on people not less to you but almost yes exactly to its choose someone else. Like almost in the bonding way. But in the way where it becomes almost out of like eared. You clearly don't mean it because you're just saying whatever comes into your head yeah. It's a really enjoyable thank you. I'm on our analytic arm grabbing. Which really Oh? Yeah that's me. Yeah there's a lot of touching when I'm drawing it's fun okay. Good yes never in Hawaii gene. We're in the bed complicity. It was real remember we. Vince ordered US room service the weirdest array of room service service or whatever and we're watching a movie and what whatever was happening. We were laughing so hard and you just kept hitting me on the arm and then eventually got aware of it. We're like I'm so sorry. Sorry and I'm like no I like it kidding. You like nudging you yeah I would make a joke and then you would slap and then you got self conscious about it. I'm like no no. This is what I hi. This is what I'm looking for. This is what I like speaking of what you I'm going to tell you. The guy live feel beholden to Yeah we got to pretend to be professional. Don't just didn't we never have. We simply don't have a recommendation Karen Actually Your I. I can't believe I'm recommending this to you because a so you okay that this is a travesty. There's a show called back to life. Have you heard of it. No okay. It's from the BBC. It's British drama and comedy series about this woman in her late thirties. Who returns home after eighteen years in prison for a thing that you like slowly either six six episodes the second? I've seen the trailer for the like a red headed. Yeah it looks amazing. It's on showtime we watched. We've been watched it in one night. Wow so you have to watch it and I will be I mean. Let's just tell you she. She's back from prison for murder. Judge right up our alley but then like slowly. It's hurts to tell you what really happened. And you find out all these crazy things and acting as great and it's just like in this seaside town of Kenton. It's just like us. What news from Ken? It's great you'll you'll love it back to life. You should download it for the plane. Actually you okay. It's so Brit. It's such a British comedy but stressing grading great. That sounds like our combo like right right on the Nah and Herald here will be my Sister recommendation to that one is on stars the series Dublin Dublin murders. Yeah and It's greats give the Irish some time on screen. I'll be there for supporting them. Do whatever they WANNA do. Although I have to say the the main main investigator heard Irish accent is so strong and foreign sounding to me that it's bewildering as you kind of everything zillow ooh slide from here. Everything is all a little side of remote and I can't fucking understand what she's saying. I love it and it's so exciting but the guy it is one hot piece. He snack crazy. That's what the kids say. He's a snack. Is he a snack. I don't know is he. Is he a BOP. I like over the summer people would call good songs. It's a real bob happening. We don't have to make up new words every three months. It's not required. It's not ah but this guy is definitely BOP snack for sure. There's something `bout he's a real snacky. He's is easy. WanNa bite right into that Song Long. There's something he is like. It's the beauty of men who have plane faces. No I'm not following you. You GotTa get behind me right now K.. Standing here something about a maybe. It's just all his shirts or super tight and he's the lanky type. It's just I do. Love check it out. I Love A guy. A girl Combo in it reminds me of the killing. Remember those ones. Hopefully that feel where it's like. She's all business and he's got his eye on her and he's like a little ex- Samatha like maybe undercover know. But that you're right for the killing this guy it's different. Where he's he's actually much more buttoned-down which is even more exciting but in him up but knit you love? I love a guy with like a tailored shirt. That can't help himself because he likes the girl that he's working with announced the I'm all about that story. It's right come on love ensued. It's because it's about respect that's why it's the pouch smart women getting some fuck in a love four not for this shape but for that is religion the fucking following up on DNA data. Brains Georgia Karen. November is when holiday entertaining kicks into high gear. Hey sorry an article is here to help you make this entertaining season stress. Free and beautiful. 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I'm pretty good added. My mom says I I ride the wall. You're looking for singer of belching proud of my mom is has ever been of me as my belching hang for real. He brings it up all the time. She's like so like I think she thinks. Well Georgia can Belgium vic. Why you loud take her? She's Garni from the Simpson. Just proved it love it. She's still mad at me about the book. Oh okay well. I'm still mad at her about a couple of times. So the fair's fair where there's always tension somewhere Okay so domina start with this. Okay here we go on the morning of August. Twenty Third Nineteen Seventy Three K.. In a newly escaped convict in Sweden's capital city of Stockholm entered a busy bank in upscale normal store I do I know Yom the Eric Olson walked into the bank wearing toy store glasses in the thick brown wig to conceal his identity and from underneath his coat pulls a loaded submachine gun and fires at the ceiling then in an ink in English with an American accent Swedish yells. The party has just begun and so begins the origin story of Stockholm Syndrome. Hope love it. We haven't done. I know and I would love to think my friend Carey Various Ellen. Better for me badgering her at a bar saying just give me an idea. I don't know what to do next week. On what about this. What about that and then what about comes into? How do we not do this when we were in Stockholm? Because it's not a murder. I think they'd right only recently that we're doing stuff that's not murder. Yes true. True wanted to be more on her good job. Carry Nice one so I got a bunch of an also had just a few months ago listened to episode of criminal about where they interview the one of the robbers. Yes and it's so of course well done. And then they got a bunch of Info from a podcast called memory motel where they interview one of the hostages. Yeah so I listened to both of those and got most of the Info from there and then from the Smithsonian Dot Com history dot com. Got The rest of the bill. Can I just do a quick sidebar. Lease he be judge on Halloween. Tweeden what do you do when a trick or treater comes to your door smoking cigarettes an I retweeted it. It naming laugh so hard. I don't understand I. She doesn't understand how funny now or how I think how. How's I think she is? She's the coolest all she's really young. She was like older than me because of how much she handles. Shit on that part cash and all. She's so professional professional she's like I think she's in her thirties. I know God bless her anyway just because this is if there's a criminal element source element Anthony. I just want to give props to. She's the best. I'm John if you judge and this is but this isn't this is my favorite word. That's that's right okay. So we're not trying to steal her shit a little bit not plagiarizing the name of her. What John Eric didn't know when he fucking the party is just began was at a silent alarm had been triggered and so in a policeman responded ended Yawn Eric shoots at at him and hits him in the hand? I don't know if this was just supposed to be a robbery that turned into a hostage situation because this was triggered or or if that's what his plan was to begin with so he shoots the at the policeman a history in the hand so then he Out Takes Three female bank employees hostage while letting everyone else leave. So He's let's talk about him. He's a thirty two year old career criminal and he had been a safecracker and was serving which is like such a necessary. Necessary job right. Yes there's there's only a handful of them out there and got they have to be good at it. That's right and he was serving a three-year sentence in prison for Grand Larceny. I mean he had achieved like a little bit of fame when an elderly couple had caught him robbing their house. At which point the elderly man had collapsed lapsed and the man's wife was like Oh my God grabbed his heart. Medicine is in the kitchen and he did it. And many continued ransacking their house house. Oh so he was known as the bumbling I I don't know what he was known as but like that. Got Him some notoriety. He was the criminal at the heart of gold. Maybe yeah still in got caught. Your you know. Maybe he wasn't that good at it he was just kind of making his way right. Sounds like that okay. So he was in prison but he was on furlough that day. I don't get Guinot at the shops and such when he took the fuck off and went out to rather than okay. So in Sweden you go to jail but you can also leave jail and do things things you'd like to do that means like you're on your way to being let go out soon reintroducing into society parole feel yeah Gotcha actually he was like. I'm GonNa ruin this and looking rob a bank. I have a passion for ruining in. Yeah I'm really good at it. So once the hostages are secured cured yawn. Eric Announces Demands for the release of the hostages. He wants three million Swedish kronor owner. metoo which is about seven hundred thousand dollars A couple of guns and bulletproof vests and a getaway car But you know the story. Yes but I mean it's all it's it's in the files with eighteen okay. You're not the only one listening given those and other thing. He insisted that he wanted was his old jailhouse. Buddy Clark Wolfson to get out of jail and help him in the situation so he was like calling support. Yeah Okay I'm a guy in another a buddy of his in jail so Clark Olofsson. He's twenty six years old. He's definitely a BOP snack. Okay sure great. He he serving time for armed robbery acting as an accessory in a nineteen ninety. Nine hundred sixty six robbery that had gone wrong and a police officer have been killed. Yeah so he's kind of a celebrity bankrobber and while he and Yon Eric who Who Clark describes as a quote useful idiot? Wow Malate wearing prison. Yawn would beg Clark to tell him. All the wild stories have bank robbery. It was almost like you know storytelling time. Sure and in his eyes Clark was the best that there is a robbing banks so knowing you is in a bad situation and needed help. He demanded that Clark join him. Clarke had been in solitary confinement events. Of course he was like fuck. Yeah at me over to that banks fucking do that where their lights and sounds exactly Clark is brought into the bank and he goes inside to join join eon at this point the unfolding bank robbery and hostage situation is fucking huge news. Oliver's like peaceful Sweden right sure the first televised crime crime in Sweden. And it's being broadcast all over the country. The public is obsessed with this crime and they fled the police stations With suggestions suggestions for ending this standoff some of those were soaping the floor of the banks the criminals would slip and be easy to capture. That happened to me in the bathroom the other day getting out of the shower and walk you see. Yeah I had a weird slip where as I was falling down I was like this is very dangerous and the scout it just kind of hit. My knee wasn't that big of a deal but I've now I know how bathroom slippers so that when the shower I immediately rubber soled shoes you life alert not yet but at that's I think next year do it okay. I may scary Be careful put towels down. Don't be afraid of bath mats. I'm a I'm a strict slipper person. Yeah you don't hit the ground. Yeah and I bet it saved me from some slip by US so another suggestion question was that they send a swarm of angry bees in to the bank to sing everyone into submission and they've played being hijinks. No it's the perfect solution bugs money. Thank you so much for calling in or drunk Karen. Many the jacket VACCO's meanwhile inside the bank terrified hostages are Are Taken inside a cramped opt bank vault which is like don't go in there. The hostages are tied up. But when Clark finally shows up from prison he takes command of the situation. He's like we're all GONNA be okay. Everyone calm down. He says it will all be fine and they're like oh he's our savior. Yeah the three female hostages are kristen and mark. She's twenty three years old Brigita Lindblad I don't know her age and Elizabeth Ogrin Who's twenty one? And they're all bank employees. Throw young women. Kristen later describes Herbs Clark as quote a mix between shake Vara and Jesus. Hey what's going on. Are you snack. Do you want a glass of wine. I'm feeling it with you And Kristen and Clark become close. Because he's twenty six like and she's three also. They're in a situation. That is the most heightened. Yeah like that's how people follow me of whether it's at your personal bank robbery or someone else's bank robbery as one of them has a gun to you true but isn't clerk the one that came in. Yes he hasn't called in and he's now part of this did he get called in from jail. Am and they gave him a gun. No he got. I don't know I can't I bet I bet yon had other guns and gave it to him. Yawns sounds like can you please stay on my hands. This is gone anymore and so I think I think Clark just took over the role that were robbing the bank. We have hostages and I bet you what he brought into that. That situation is that feeling like you said everything's GonNa be okay whatever where it's not some lunatic with wide eyes and shaky hands. It's it's someone that's like look we just want the money trying to do this. No Janas in charge undo what he does but making sure that knowing her yes and that I'm sure was great. Great a great feeling for those people who are only freaked out. And he's like Shaka Vara and Jesus. So Yeah I you know. I'm I'm just picturing whatever. The shirt he had on there was a v Neck element to the seventy s so as unbuttoned to the naval and there was just all kinds of hair. Everyone was a bear in the seventies so Clark Clark Orders Yawn to loosen the hostages ropes to make them more comfortable. And this is when the tide's turn and instead of being afraid of their captor captor is the hostages appreciate being treated with respect act which they didn't feel that the cops were giving them at that moment. They thought that the cops would fuck and blow down the doors and kill everyone. Yeah and they see Clark. They're saving grace. Yeah and Clark is the one on. Who's interviewed in the criminal episode? And he's just he's screwing irving you've been great. He's kind of a Dick though. These great akaki charming DHEC Nick. Well he's the kind of guy that would rob banks he like. Let's do it. I can handle it totally. It's a Clark also. Does a one surround the bank and finds an employee hiding in the closet in which is like yeah names Spin Sandstrom. He's collected and brought with everyone else making him the fourth hostage okay. So the hostages are allowed to call their families to let them know. They're okay and by the second day. The hostages were on a first name basis with their captors and they started to feel the police more than their abductors. When the Police Commissioner Actioner was allowed inside to inspect the hostages held he noticed that the captives appear to be hostile with him but not they were relaxed jovial with their captors? Police chief told the press that he doubted. The gunman would harm the hostages because they had developed a quote rather relaxed relationship. Which of course the the the public was like? This is amazing. What the fuck is going on? They even had a few phone calls with the Prime Minister Olaf Plum and they let kristen talk talk to him. You mean that's no man from plane plame how you doing I guess not good. It really change that. I've never seen it. I'm sorry no it's it's the man's name the Snowman's name is Olaf Right. Stephen Okay. That's it so so then I liked the imagine that this man has a last name and then eventually becomes prime minister's Tweeden everything about that so sorry again Dan show off. Tony embarrassed. 'cause I haven't seen it so I was like no I get that job and I didn't get that show at all. It's pretty high level. I have nephews nieces. They don't WanNA watch frozen. Yeah that's right you have a you have a whole other. Should have made cars draft mind. Graf Mind Graf So they let Kristen. The twenty-three-year-old hostage talked to him and she begs the prime minister to let her leave with the robbers in the car. She's like I've she says I fully trust Clark and the robber. I am not desperate. They haven't done anything to on the contrary they have been very nice but what. I'm scared of the police will attack and caused us to die. Yeah so even when threatened with physical harm the hostages still work compassionate towards doctor so So Olson suggested shooting the spin in the leg to shake up the police because is it had been. It's like this one on six days. Oh Shit Yeah and so at one point there. Let's shoot him in the leg to showing me in business and and spend said that he thought it was was kind of them that they would shoot him just in the leg and not in his body it is night. Yeah Yeah So. Elizabeth ogrin complained of CLAUSTROPHOBIA. This per is a low weird for me okay he. They tied a rope around her neck because they were in the bank and let her walk outside the bank vault and just hang out which is like a little degrading mhm but she was really grateful of it. That's like the one hint of these two are like the hints of Stockholm Syndrome. Making sense to me. Yes that there's that they definitely had a sway over these and they were doing things that maybe weren't the coolest ray at the people. Were just grateful that they were having a not the worst. I'm sure that that that the shape of all this was this is going to be a traumatic experience within it. It's not being traumatic experience. Like oh great or the little kindnesses in between that like make sure that everything's going to be okay which is all your fucking grasping for is that something is going to be okay. Yes and so so when people come along and give you those assurances then. You're kind of like wool now. I love you right as other than this. I'm just I'm blind. I'm in the dark entirely and I think I might die. So whatever you say to me is GonNa start becoming very meaningful and make you look very powerful right So so it isn't Hollywood. I relate entirely. It's like being fucking held hostage ultimately the last six days. That's fucking crazy along. Volt they close the door to the vault. They have no food and water and they have to poop and stuff in the corner for Real. I think so. I'm making that up. They were locked in the vault so they must have had to go to the bathroom in the corner. This is not criminal. There's here's your proof How is the big? I don't think so no I think so because I think a Kark says that the he appreciate appreciate them going through this disgusting filthy event with him and so I think they were sitting in a corner if they were shooting odd. I just be like you know what. Here's the the thing. Now I have. I really have a CLAUSTROPHOBIA. Around Shit I could be out in open fields but you six lend takeaway from this area. That's crazy what. Maybe maybe there's vault bathrooms. Maybe one emergency volt bathroom if you like when it okay you know how they have safe deposit boxes yes. What did a lot of people got a nice surprise fries the next couple of years here safety deposit boxes and you're saying how much is this? Shit were fifteen million dollars guys. We can make all of those folks because it's the the Stockholm Syndrome story which inherently is about the violence not affecting people in the normal rate. Oh Yeah it's basically our story. Our origin story can put anything into that. We want okay. Six Days Convicts Tuna Physical Harm to the hostages and on the night of except for the pooping thing very harmful very August. Twenty eight after more than one hundred thirty hours. Police may start drilling holes in the vault. The cops were and then they finally put in and tear-gas which is like such a Dick move to the hostages right right but I mean after. I think there's so much pressure the whole country's watching if not more than where it's like. Well what are these cops going to. It's going to suck for them but it's this isn't like we're not killing them when it can't yet when it came down to the end they were just like okay either. We drill holes and put tear gas house in or we go with the bees idea which I still don't think is a terrible idea. I'm still onboard with drunk. Karen's idea but B.'s There's there's A. There's a drunk Karen in Sweden called that in. She's like I can't do it. Swedish accent but The idea of they had to they had to move it forward. Yes Yup ever. It was stalling and they knew. I think the police at that time knew they couldn't do anything truly violent because right. They couldn't even being watched they were being watched in the whole thing became about police. Violence Clark called the newspapers and everything was was letting them know that everything is fine here. No one's being hurt just so that they couldn't spin the story and make him seem all violent and crazy. Amazing amazing. Yeah so Yon Unin Clark quickly surrender and the police want the hostages to come out. I but the hostages are like we fucking refuse. We know you're GONNA shoot them if they're laugh so they're coming out with us. Wow which is like. They're protecting their lives. Yeah point in the door with the vault the three women the three women Kiss Olsen Olsen goodbye and spend shakes hands with them for six days and the police seize the gunman and while that happens to the hostages. Cry Out. Don't hurt them. They didn't harm us while. Kristen Christon is wheeled away in a stretcher. And there's photos of her sitting up in her stretcher like watching to make sure they're okay she says. Clark I will see you soon. She liked Clark Clark I think and I think they ended up looking later. Yeah are you being serious. I swear to God criminal. He mentioned get we closer than friends. I swear he's a real. He's a cat. He's he's a real so-and-so Fella. It later came out that during the standoff. He had soothed kristen when she had a bad dream and he gave her a bullet from his gun. As a keepsake. Now I mean. It's just that it's Kinda Because somebody it's Li- here looking out for you. I'm like she's like oh I'm scared like also Taylor later. What if Jesus like you personally big? Jesus was like a bad guy. I know that is not our by Ram Rambo. I'm sorry I'm sorry but I think it is. The there is a manipulation. Obviously because it's not normal feelings non normal situation but I just keep thinking like like after six days you've hung out with people where they're like. Look I don't WanNa be a bank robber. I actually used to have a dream of becoming a great. Whatever things Swedish Niki working and it's like in my dreams were deferred? Well it's like they have enough time to get their stories straight. So it's like you can empathize with why they do you. And here's the other thing because the door was locked. They were also in the dark over the holes that were drilled into the into it. Wow so like that's they just went through some shit yet. They went to heart that really. That kinda turns that's spins it as well and the smell okay. It was like a stinky podcast. Where they all all became best friends? We dot flight. Let's start it Both the public and police were fucking totally perplexed by the hostages seemingly irrational attachment their captors. The police begin even to investigate. Whether Kristen was part of the robbery plot to begin with Oh like this is so impossible. She must be fucking part of this. Yeah the captives were confused is to the the following day. One of the one of the hostages asked a psychiatrist. Is there something wrong with me. Why don't I hate them like they were confused? Two psychiatrists were like let's psychoanalyze motherfucker. And compared the behavior to the wartime shell shock exhibited by soldiers. You know and explain that. The hostages had become emotionally indebted to their abductors and not the police for being spared death. Yeah right make sense Swedish psychiatrists neal's Bergeford dot later coined the term Stockholm Syndrome to describe the so-called captor bonding which became part of the popular lexicon in nineteen seventy four when it was used as as a defense for the kidnapped newspaper Heiress Patty hearst. Who assisted the radical Symbionese Liberation Army captors in a series of bank robberies? His her fucking that. It didn't work though defense and I'm still horrified by this that she was sentenced to thirty five years in prison and later it was later reduced to seven years. I like. That's so crazy isn't it. Yeah I still think it's a miscarriage of justice. The whole story is so only in the seventies could have happened happened because it was it was so and you know it was in San Francisco right so there. It's yeah it's just above and beyond everything and the all those like big. She is so gorgeous pictures of her. The whole thing is like a weird movie plazas let in real life conquers. The hostages were so the hostages wouldn't testify against a bank robber and Kirsten even lied on the stand. Saying that Clark had never held a gun during the six day standoff. Oh fucking live is going to. She was going down for her man. She said she wanted to punish in fact she said she would have given him a metal. were up to her. I mean charm goes a long way. I think they have medals for that. No now I do for the lack of extreme violent. Yeah for not good number one for not murdering yeah but in that scenario. Reo You're you work at bank. You kind of fear this all the time. You've already run through what could happen and how bad it could be so the thing is happening that you fear but it it's with people that are like we don't WanNa hurt you want this money. There's still that little bit of like chance that they could not things could go wrong and you could still will be killed and yet so terrifying. Yeah then you're shitting in a corner Part Yang was sentenced to ten years in prison for the robbery. And Clark. I didn't go to prison at all for his crime because he was like. You guys made me. He can't be no he was pulled into it but he's been back in prison many times since then. No Shit and so eve even after they returned to prison the hostages made jailhouse visits to their former captors. I know and Yawn was released in nineteen eighty and once freed. He married one of the many women who sent him admiring letters while incarcerated and they like had a a kid together they went fucking straight. They own like a mechanic's place or something. Wow had like a normal life so he has a normal life because of the being involved in that maybe will because she sent a letter. That was the inciting incident. You GotTa hope that's the movie plots got and since the Robbery Yon John is not been convicted of another any other crimes. Great and has openly apologize for the hostage situation awesome. Yeah and that's the story of the fucking Stockholm Home Syndrome. God I feel like that might be best case scenario any true crime story. You could talk us. I hope yours isn't horrible. It is the worst. Are you ready. Oh hold on. Let's be if you've been thinking about your home security. There's no better time to get it right now. Starting this week simply safe home security thirty is giving our listeners. Exclusive deals for Black Friday. Simply safe. Almost never has a deal like this. If you're thinking about protecting your home check it out today. Simply safe has everything you need to keep if your home safe entry sensors motion sensors a smart lock. That locks your door when you forget video doorbells plus twenty four seven professional monitoring that will dispatch police. Three point five. 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Yeah I'm not allowed to use the tweets down the bathroom. It's for foreign after only working allowed. I just I just did a serious amount of plucking for a while. I couldn't stop. But here's the thing as I did it. It makes me incredibly proud in grateful because because we run our own company now where we as Danielle who runs our network. Can you please get a spare tweezers for this bathroom because every time I go in there. There's hairs there where I'm like. Why is no one telling me about anything is GONNA be like this fine but we are gonNA need a solution for it and yet when need to be able to not feel like victims of Ron face and we work amongst and around people? We've we've gotten this crew with us that don't mind hearing about what a great plunking session. We just had an or maybe they. They just don't want to get fired. I mean hired. Stephen would be expressing his true feelings if he didn't feel so threatened. Yeah Stephen Say I have a little deodorant in the bathroom like I was trimming my mustache. Shares a little bit. Lives here nasty when you're not allowed to do that in the back room okay. That was just like a that was like a personal hygiene break that no one wanted corner. Okay we're prepping to a Go on this big trip and so and we just record an episode so this episode definitely snuck up on me so when I was looking for a story I I tried to think what happened. I'd done on that. I really WANNA do didn't think Stockholm Syndrome either. So mad at myself so what I did. Was I googled. The phrase disappeared appeared from the forest to see what would come. It's brilliant and which is a good way to do it because the first thing that came up was This amazing article from two thousand eight from the La Weekly that was written by a writer named Christine Policy was the guest. Is How you pronounce your name. And and that from that was the story that basically gave me this story that article from the Elliot from eleven years ago and then the supporting articles were found on murder our pedia and basically we. We've talked a ton about how la in the seventies there were all these freeway murderers there were so many serial killers in the south land in the seventies that there were actually subsets and types of serial killers that you could be in freeway killers. Were one of them right. And and this this is a this this hits on a bunch of things which is the disappeared from the forest thing the freeway killer thing and then you know the thing. I always talk about. Where because of of the way the news cycle is because the way the country is right now and the politics and everything that I always talk about? What are the things we're not hearing about? Because everything's getting eaten up all day by basically the crumbling of democracy and reality. And this is what happened in the seventies And that's why no one's ever heard of Mack Ray Edwards. The child serial killer the serial killer of children in Los Angeles before the seventy S. Okay so I've never seen this guy's picture of never heard his name. I don't believe it so it starts here a march twenty third nineteen fifty seven eight year old. Tommy Bowman Roman is on a short hike with his father. His brother his sister his uncle and his two young cousins. And they're going along the Arroyo Seco trail in Pasadena There from the beach the Bowman Family And they're spending the day in a basically Alta Dena together essentially. I think the family family from the beach wanted to go up into the mountains and hike around daisy like that would have been a track for the day back then and now. It's like a fucking errand you run yes and back and back then it was. It's like we're GONNA get into the coma without our cell phones and we're gonNA drive up into the mountains themselves on how they. They left their cell phones in the future. So and this is that that classic story toward the ends of the hike Tommy Racist he basically says to his cousins of all race you to the car now and they're only a quarter of a mile away away from the parking lot off the trail where they started. Yeah so they all watch Tommy race ahead and turn a corner and they never see him again. The fuck yes so when the rest of the get to the parking lot. They don't see him anywhere. They immediately called the police and then a week long. How did that turn on it? I think it goes to see the sand. Just fucking turned on by itself Fan. Just turn on by itself Steven if you if you invited I did ago old-timey fan that happens again if that happens so they immediately call the police these and a week long search ensues Fi- Helicopter Scour the eleven mile stretch of the Arroyo Seco from Mount Wilson in a San Gabriel's to South Pasadena They add more police. Officers even Tommy's father's named Elden and his Co oh workers from the company. He works for start showing up to help. Search for Tommy All on foot all in the area. Nothing's found Tommy's basically disappeared without a trace so there's no solid leads so investigators they're grasping for straws and there's theories that Tommy may have been taken can by a mountain lion You know or some like a wild animal theory. There was also a theory that he'd somehow wandered to do the they were right near JPL The jet Propulsion Laboratory. Leon Yeah which we got? We got a tour of tonight and And Scotty Landes. That was kind of close by so they were thinking he wandered into that parking lot and someone from. JPL kidnapped him there the thing they're just basically as Lee have really. Those people are too smart to together. And they're worried about space yeah but basically they're trying to theorize of what the hell could have had. There's no Oh of course evidence to support either of these theories and nothing ever comes from that so they kind of disappear and then two different female eye-witnesses come forward to say that. On the day of Tommy's disappearance. They had seen a little boy who looked like Tommy walking on the trail near Altadena drive in Pasadena crying and and they told police that just behind the boy was a deeply tanned. Disheveled looking man in Khakis and a plaid shirt. One woman says he's wearing a plaid plaid shirt. Woman's one woman says he's wearing a white t shirt so the investigators start questioning rest registered sex offenders in the area whilst Tommy Father's employer the North her corporation the one who people his co workers came to try to search that north of corporation puts up a cash reward for for information leading to Finding Tommy but neither of those efforts brings any new leads a few days after Tommy's disappearance an unidentified defied man Claims that he is holding. Tommy Bowman and he demands a twenty five hundred dollar ransom so an exchange is set up at a gas station in Eagle Iraq police of course are staking it out when the man arrives to get the cash police arrest him they find out the whole thing He is trying to get money thing to they do. It's such a strangely unstable and weird thing where people couldn't be in a worst place and you're like maybe I'll make money off. It's so gross. By nineteen sixty. The case of Tommy Bowman's disappearance goes cold. Okay so now. We skipped a fall of two thousand. I was in fine. What yeah nearly fifty years later in the fall of two thousand five an author named Weston Dewalt? So this is the guy who this article that I that that I've found is about about this author. So He is a successful author And he's doing research on the jogging trails near his house in Pasadena House Edina when someone tells him about long ago. DISAPPEARANCE OF TOMMY BOOM IS WANNA know how the river flows in my area Blake. Guess what your friends with the murdering. Clearly and someone's like you want to know how the river flows how. `Bout I tell you. What shitty things are happening right behind your house? Oh my God. So but but Western to wall intrigued. He's an author. He you know so he starts looking into this case. He states that when he starts doing this digging he realizes realizes quote. He made a decision that if he could find some of Tommy's relatives alive. I would write a book about what it meant to a family. To wonder for. Fifty the years right heartbreaking. So he gets. He's basically he's in he's like completely hooked by the fact that this boy basically just disappeared off the face of the earlier and nobody had any answers for fifty years so western to walt makes contact with Tommy Bowman's father elden an elderly actually invites him over to his house in Seamy valley where he now lives and when he when Western gets there ellen is laid out all the investigative materials. He's kept about his son's case for the past fifty years on on the dining room table. So there's letters and there's photographs and there's all the newspaper clippings and basically everything that Western might WanNa know. And after lengthy lengthy the discussion elden agrees to let Western to walt petition. The La County Sheriff's department to reopen the case So basically a dewalt goes and he starts meeting with LAPD to talk about this and how this case needs to be reopened over time he becomes friends with the cold case. Detective -tective Vivian Flora's Who had been working this case since that time and She helps him sift through all the case. File evidence in all the basically the available evidence and there when he's looking through it Western signs an eyewitness sketch of the tanned disheveled man Dan. That was seen walking behind Tom. This too I witnesses on and immediately western recognizes the face in sketch as being very similar to a photo he had seen while researching child abductions from the photos from nine hundred seventy and it was of a man being led into a courtroom in handcuffs and that man was fifty one year old heavy equipment at least at the time of the picture was taken fifty one year old heavy equipment operator named Mac Edwards. Oh God shells right. So he sees it in his leg. He's here in this. He's he's being arrested for child. Abduction so who is this guy. The same guy. We'll talk a little bit about Mac Edwards He moved he was an Arkansas native. That moved to Sylmar California l. -fornia in the late forties. He had just been married in Arkansas. so He's a newlywed. He had been a combat engineer in world. War Due to He he and his wife in Somare adopt two kids. He joins the Union of operating engineers and gets a job building and repairing airing. LA's freeways He's basically it just a heavy equipment operator and all. This is the time where they start building. All these freeways all around L. A.. Yeah and so. That's what he basically works on. He will operates the heavy machinery. The Couch Trans uses to build all these freeways into like degrade clear the land. Dan I know where this is going. Yeah you do okay. So he is described as having a quote generally dorky demeanor so he wears glasses. He he doesn't drink he doesn't swear He's very friendly. All the neighbors like him. He actually owns horses that he lets the neighborhood kids ride. He's also known taking the neighborhood. Kids camping bet he fucking in. Yeah so he's very well liked in the community because he's a great guy that so nice One thousand is in red flannel loved. Children get away rape all those sentiments. Go Away on March. Fifth Nineteen seventy one MAC Edwards walks into the Foothills Hill station the Los Angeles Police Department and he puts a loaded gun on the front desk and tells the on duty officer. I have a guilt complex. uh-huh so he's taken into an interview room where he eventually confesses to the kidnapping of three young sisters from Filmar. That had happened the day. Okay before okay so basically According to Edwards he tells police that he and a teenage accomplice had broken in to the three three girls home during the early morning hours after their parents had left the house for the day they were they were robbing the house and then then they abducted the girl so they were sisters aged twelve thirteen and fourteen. I do not know why you'd WanNa fuck with three sisters in that age range. That's dangerous. Yeah these idiots didn't didn't know it That they were about to find out They before they left the house. They forced the girls to write notes to their parents saying they were running away from home. Which is fucking evil so evil so they get the girls in the car? They drive to the Angeles National Forest which is two words. Yeah put strike fear into the heart at at some point during this abduction. Though two of their three sisters get away and then the third sister is left there Edwards and his teenage accomplice. Of course course panic. Edward knows that these girls can identify him. He's their old neighbor. Oh so they. They knew he was he was like. Oh this this is over so the the Edwards and his accomplice just leave and they leave the third sister in the forest okay so Edwards knows that sooner or later he's I'm GonNa get caught the this situation's gone totally out of control so he decides I'm just GonNa cut to the chase and turn myself in because it's going to happen anyway. Why wait for it and it turns out the good news about all of that? Is that those girls were not attacked in any way or physically harmed by those men. They basically scrambled the situation in and got themselves out of it before. Anything bad could happen. Tom May's aside from the the kidnapping shalt it's so awesome. Yeah I just think like there's you don't mess with sisters sisters. Don't mess with junior high level. That's right sisters. They will murder you. Yeah okay so So Mac Edwards He. He basically the police ask him why he decided to kidnap these girls and he tells them he planned to rape and murder all three of them holy Shit and then Edwards says to the police. Now there's other matters to discuss and Mac Edwards goes on to confess that between the span of nineteen fifty fifty three and nineteen sixty nine. Oh my he kidnapped and murdered six children. Oh my God. So this is what he confesses to. And what the police just have to. They can't write fast enough to say what what is happening. Here I it was an eight year. Old Girl named Stella Nolan so she disappeared disappeared from of the flea market. That are mom. Worked at in Norwalk On June twentieth nineteen fifty three. So the story was that Her mom mom to work. She knew that her daughter would be bored. She's an eight year old this big flea market so she said you can walk around but you have to come back every hour on the hour and check check in with me so I know that you're here and so that's what they that was the plan. That's what they'd always done and this day June twentieth when she was supposed to check in at nine o'clock she never showed up so immediately. The mother knew something was wrong. Stella was super responsible on really smart and would not have just blown it on. Yeah So she called the police immediately Louis but she was again. It was a child who just disappeared without a trace. no-one Sanni thing and that case went cold for sixteen years next was thirteen year. Old Don Baker an eleven year. Old Brenda Howell. They'd gone bike riding together. In San Gabriel Canyon on August Sixth Nineteen fifty six and they were never seen again Dan because the bodies could not be found this case there is just no evidence That case went cold. This confession was especially shocking. Because Brenda how old all the eleven year old was actually Mac Edwards sister-in-law he was. It was his wife's little sister that he murdered Yeah so so then. He swears that he's that he stopped murdering children for twelve years. He tried to get it all together. but that changed changed on November twenty sixth nineteen sixty eight When he shot and killed Sixteen Year Old Gary Rocha in Rojas home in Granada hills? Awesome then His sons classmate was a sixteen year. Old Name Roger Madison and Roger had left his house for the evening never to be seen again turns out that Edwards had lured him into an Orange Grove and were stabbed him repeatedly on December fourteenth in nineteen sixty eight so just killed him right. There finally Edwards confesses to kidnapping thirteen year old Donald Todd from his bookworm. A home on May Sixteenth nineteen. sixty-nine Donald Body was found under a footbridge he'd been sexually assaulted and shot to death so Edwards said that all all these crimes were motivated by an urge for sex so he assaulted all of these Johnson and that was basically what was behind all of this so these investigators know in this twelve year period. where he saying I was race? I was trying to be good my family and all this shit. They're just like no So so he basically he confesses to these six murders Pleads guilty to three counts of kidnapping and three counts of murder because those the they only have the bottom three victims He's immediately found guilty and sentenced to death and he sent to San Quentin and he's put on death ro The reason that we've never heard a or that. Lisa I've never heard of of macrey. Edwards is because right when he went to jail and all this like this story broke it was exactly at the same time as the Manson murders and when they arrested Charles Manson and the Manson family so so it completely got obliterated by the Manson murder story crazy. Yeah and this is a CIA this as I keep saying child serial killer serial killer a a serial killer of children. Yeah which is I think the worst I mean yeah it's also bad but yeah so basically he just disappears because of Mansa when he goes to the San Quentin who's to cells down now Charles Manson. Yes larose can you ended up boring that Vuk Nydia the whole the babbling that went on And that block but and there is actually a teenage prisoner. That was only denied is being named Roberto. That was the person between cleaned so he has Charles Manson on one side who he said he actually enjoyed talking amac Ray Edwards more because Charles Manson would be nice one second offering him cigarettes and then threaten to kill him the next second meanwhile Edwards was really friendly and normal the whole time but then starts telling him about all the the other kids and he's killed yes so he's doing that jailhouse confession slash Brag thing to the poor guy in the cell next to him where he said he couldn't sleep at night night because the guy was just talking and telling him all these other kids heat murdered so it's all bad. It's so horrible So basically when he's found guilty and he sent to Saint Quentin he tells he tells the court. I WANNA be electric an electric chair. Can you move me up to the front of the line. There's some people that are there. They're waiting and and they're sweating. I want I want to be in the electric chair. It's all I've ever wanted. Oh my God. They're like yeah. It doesn't work like that friend because it is all you've ever wanted now you'll you'll never get it right so fucking terrified of you. So the request is denied. He makes several suicide attempts And finally November member of Nineteen seventy-one Mabry Edwards hangs himself with a TV court in his prison cell at the age. Fifty two so August were now back to August of two. Two thousand. Six were Westerwald has dinner with Mac Edwards seventy six year old widow and her family way. Yes so he's basically saying I'm trying to investigate instigate these murderers. I'm trying to get these victims families some kind of closure kind of answer and He to that. Dinner Brings Bill gleason. WHO's a consultant for the California Department of Justice and so during that visit Max Twitter reveals? He'd written a confession lettered her right before his suicide from jail and in the letter Edwards says this about his original confession. I was is going to add one more. But that was the Tommy Bowman boy that disappeared in Pasadena but I felt like I would really make a mess of it of that one so I left him out of it Oh so then Dewalt finds that Max employer in nineteen sixty nine. Was a company called cursed construction and they. He had an equipment yard less than half a mile. From where Tommy Bowman went missing and in this letter Edwards also tells his wife that he'd only killed one of the six children Iran that he'd admitted to and the person responsible for the other five murders was his quote crippled neighbor as as he describes he basically told his wife he's trying to cover cover for this neighbor. Raise the one who did it when a hero so but west into what looks into this story. There's no neighbor there had been so then Western the wall the author. He tracks down Edwards arresting officer to get more information trying to fill in these gaps. Yeah and that guy points him him to another guard that Edwards kind of befriended before he was transferred to San Quentin so that guard. The Second Guard Tells Walt that Wall Imprison Edwards confessed best to him that he was actually responsible for eighteen murders. Not just six. Jesus when the Guard asked Edwards why he didn't confess to all of them Tom Edwards told him that it was because the cops had quote said bad things about me in court. Okay Dude they're allowed to. I mean you're a bad guy. Yeah but also. It's that weird kind of thinking. Where because they don't care about other human beings and they don't think about other things or whatever they he doesn't see the difference between confessing confessing to these six and letting all these other people off the for children? That discipline peered out of the blue. Yeah for these poor families. Yeah so then. And the The guy that was in the cell between Manson Ardo and Edwards Roberto Verte. He said that Edwards confessed to at least twenty honey cheese us to him We may never know the true count of his victims authority authorities. Believe it's definitely safe to assume it's more than six excuse so the bodies of three of Edwards known victims Don Baker Brenda. Hal and Roger Madison were never found But a detective Flores had been focusing her efforts on finding Roger Madison's body she finally gets a break when she discovers. There's a transcript of Mac Edwards Confession Russian of the murder of Donald Todd and in that confession. Edward says did he stabbed Madison in a Sylmar Orange Grove and buried him along the twenty the three freeway on Cal Trans land in Moorpark but that freeway was still under construction at the time. So Flora's finds a retired retired CAL trans employee. This is how hard she's case on the edge of my say she finds a retired cal trans employees who had kept detailed logs of the work. He had done over the years like where and when so using his logs they're able to pinpoint the exact location of CAL. Trans had been working along on the twenty three freeway on December sixteenth nineteen. sixty-nine so three months later detective flora's has a core sniffing dogs sent to the area That where where they were supposed to have been working and Those dogs all find the same spot. They all kit like fifty years later and under cement rate and So they that's when they're like okay. This is where we're GONNA start so on October. Six two thousand in an eight floors and her team start digging up the area next to the twenty three freeway and more parks they dig for five days and Even though their DNA tests taken of the area that showed that Rogers DNA was there around penetrating radar. said there was something buried there and of course the logs showed they couldn't find anything and if they kept on digging they were going to have to shut down. The freeway could have been like you know five fucking feet off. That's what's like such a bummer. So frustrating and because this guy Essentially be they're commissioned down the freeway so the so the dig is called off and there's something so especially sinister the fact that he this. This was the plan all along because when when he was working on this freeways basically he would time his murders knowing that they were about to go do now Basically be building these things things so yeah the night before he would go dig the hole and then put his his murder victims in these graves and then the next day it would all get covered over by cement and freeways pets the creepiest thing. I've ever it's so it's like the the original freeway killer Miller story where it's like just bad vibes like that's what this is all a bad down here. That's what this fucking creepy road rage. E arrows it was it was all rule that rural back. Then yes and like it was all families trying to come out here and make a difference and you know. Make their away. Isn't it wasn't Hollywood Renault. And it's just it's crazy it's it's so not So a sad is. That isn't ends unsatisfying. That is basically shut down the freeways who cares you find those remain. Yeah it's basically red tape. It's Dr Happen. What's cool in lovely and small but still important is that Roger's sister came and she got to leave flowers next to basically the excavation invasion area where they were trying to find him and they The police who are standing by and the CAL Trans Employees. Everybody like remove their hats and had a moment one of silence for Roger Madison and his loss of life and then they basically had to cover it all over so despite his claims. No one I believe that. Of course Mac Edwards went dormant for twelve years between Brenda Hal. And Don Baker's double murder and Gary roaches murderer So Weston Dewalt. Vivian Flora's many lapd cold case. Detectives continue to this day try linking Mac Edwards movements and personal time line with all the cold cases cases of missing and murdered children in southern California and that is the deeply disturbing and little known story of macrey Edwards L. as least known serial killer of children clan. Who Knew is net? Fuck let a crazy story. Yeah good job thank you it gets. It's me in so many ways. He's the owner. He lets everybody ride their horses Johnathan. Hammering he's molesting murdering piece of shit he also they eventually you know as they dug up all these Files and everything before he left Arkansas. He had molested a girl. It was probably the reason that he left and came out. Yeah so it's like he's just got the longest track record. It's just so and what a perfect place to come to when you're like in a small town in Arkansas That you get run out of because you're molesting someone you go to. La where it's like. It's a big sprawling. You know anonymous city yet. That's growing wing. Yeah gotta be. The freeway aspect is so chilling and also the way he did it where somehow he was able to Get in and out of these places unseen an unnoticed. He's like just kind of the master of that thing where however he did it and the idea yeah. The Tommy Bowman was crying when he was walking. That's a man was behind him. Clearly he knew how to very quickly like win the favor of and then intimidate. HSA Or is it a time and a place where you mind your own fucking business and so no one is noticing these things and it's just a kid crying and upset and I don't think I mean Dad yes none of your business right. It was so long before like this is so much stuff. Yeah Stranger danger. It's pre- The everything where it's like. You could hit your kids. You could hit your neighbors kids. Everybody gets hit. Yeah every TV errors. No one gets looked out for kids are out hiking being alone. I mean he wasn't but you know is that it was the time where he was just like. Sure if you want to go off and wander around for awhile sure do. Yeah just just didn't know we didn't know polite to adults and and assume that if somebody you know whether it's owns horses or goes to church or whatever is like everyone's buying everybody else's mask just a hundred percent right and like sounds good if you're a man of a job Bob and your blue collar and on your nice yeah. No one's children camping. Great good job. Thank you that that I need to put something in Google similar and get a story like that because I was fucking. Yeah pater yeah really was holding. It was horrible. It was Dorsal Ursel. Peter the worst of all Peter's but also it said the thing where you I always think I've heard everything. Yeah you're of course not. There's so much terrible shit out there so much and we promise we'll bring it to you a second find out about it. We almost one hundred episodes. Can you believe that we have to do a a good one for a two hundred Stephen. Just do it everything we've ever had to do. What was the other day of compilation of the like one word from every episode Stephen? I know you're busy Stephen. If we're GONNA do it two hundred episode of we just do like a great moment from every of Georgia goes sorry. Sorry sorry I'm from Canada. How Oh oh yeah? I don't know I just wanted to. He's kind of running exactly rights audio engineering kind of producing juicing five other podcasts right now simultaneously as well as several pilots But yeah no that's not gonNa work out what's your I'm into and do you have a cigarette cigarette gesture to Georgia with Dan. It was pretty fabulous. This is like meal in Grammar school another way to get a little attention pretend to smoke as a child it's paid dirt pay dirt so funny Do Do you have a secondary. I'm sure I do. Okay I guess my fucking array is like a future fucking array like. I can't wait to step onto that plane tomorrow. Hell yeah thank. Our all. Can't wait and like so. My therapist is like you have to do five positives every day. I can't think cold you can Ireland fucking air. I can't it's GONNA be Christmas Eve over there and shit which we're going to eat the best fucking food. Yeah we're GONNA have all the time on the airplane to work. That's terrible terrible. It's just going to be great. I'm really I'm really looking forward to this trip. And then the three of us are going to fuck in Barcelona. Yes the last three days just to have A. We're calling it a work retreat. It's a company retreats right. I can't wait it's going to be one. We're GONNA eat so much I love it. You you know that the company retreat is me laying in your bed in your hotel room. That's being more top Get Him for you. Just give me four hours I'm so happy to hear you say that because you know by the end of our sp the fuck into into winter spring tour which really was just the entire first half of twenty nine thousand nine hundred. It really felt like neither of US ever wanted to do it ever again. Dan was so you know it was long. It was consistent. It was whatever so. I'm glad I'm glad that you know took enough time off that this is actually like ea ea you too because it is so fun An exciting I think mine is I I definitely want to piggyback on that because I am truly so excited and but I'll but also today so I of course leave everything last minute today in between six other things that I'm supposed to do I ran to macy's just to get some tights and what have you actually get using But as I was standing there in line which was very long and I started my head. Ed basically like as if I'm on the phone going can you please hire more people. Yes the holidays. There's like it's one o'clock in the afternoon and that were eight deep here the law in the laundry section as But instead of doing Nazi kind of trying to My my thing that I'm working working on now. Thank you Tara. Brach is just awareness of what you're thinking so that you can change your thought patterns so if I'm standing there and my habit is mentally mentally yell at people maybe just put the pause on that and see what's actually happening around meet that could be enjoying instead of being in my thoughts negatively. Okay and I'm standing. I realize I'm standing next to a huge display of pajamas. And they're they kind of cozy and they're like flannel red plaid pajamas. Yeah so I start touching like I you want Flynn on red pepper. Plenty Janice out of nowhere. This lady comes around the corner goes. I got pajamas. Just like that for my grandchildren. They all matched. We took took a picture. It was the greatest. She starts telling me some story prize. GRANDMA GRANDMA WHO had no there was not even it was as as if I told her. Could you meet me here at one. Talk Talk about this wish. I had a story about these pajamas and then boom around the corner and I realize when I'm not in my ahead projecting and making problems or trying to work through problems. I'm the kind of person people walk up to until random. Yes okay one hundred percent sent it can keep myself present. Okay and that is I have to remind myself. I love that the way she told me that story. And as as if it was vital information to know that was going to help me decide whether or not it was going to get these pajamas I was just like yes and then she can get as she walked away all they. I wasn't thinking of them really for me as it was conceptual. But I was like Cham- Christmas. My sister always gets me pajamas and slippers at the best fucking gifts for people. Everybody always needs. It's an wants the best always but as she walked away she goes. I don't know what I'm GonNa do this year and then I yell after her like you can beat it. You can do do it if you did it last year. You can do this year. It's like it was the funniest moment so anyway it was just a little reminder like open yourself up to surprise grandma's us. Yes because that's the that is the stuff of life. Yeah it's not the satisfaction you get yelling at people because there's not enough people working at the the counter. That doesn't give me anything. It's me entirely just mental. Yeah we're of like being mad or or stay in Missouri Anal Glands and Shit like no. It doesn't do anything and also it's just like an. I'm lucky enough to be here shopping in place you're going to get to the front of the line at some point. Yes you might talk to us. I'm really obsessed with praise. Grandma is kind of the greatest because also they're all around us. But if you're not if I am not paying attention and if I need to feel I like the way I control. The world is pre argue everything so the arguments ready. It's I'm ruining my own. Good time. Okay and I and I think I'm getting okay. Okay at trying to keep it in mind but like especially on this trip. Yeah that's when you need to do it the most because I if somebody lights yes and used anticipate this is going to be bad in. It's like no no no. These are all charities to have surprised grandma moments. I love it Oh my God. That's it right it's answer delay So let's let's all we'll keep our surprise grandma diary for our back and tell these stories all right. I'll see you at lax tomorrow and we'll do it with. We'll have a goes rides grandma satirize grandma come out wherever you were awesome love it love it. Love it fucking thanks for listening guys. We appreciate you so much. I was at a bar our last night and this crying girl came up to me freaking out and said I just got dumped but see. I'm seeing I ran into you and it made my night. Oh shoes so sweet. That's such a nice thing for such shitty for like fuck him. I'm so happy to meet you and your friends are all around you. It said to look up your murdering our friends here. Yes such a Rad community. You know as you say that. Sorry but I just had one where I walked into the starbucks. I was actually just walking. came out of the starbucks and a girl was walking in and she had the moment as we were passing the doorway where she went and I stopped stopped and I was like Yep and then she didn't know what to do and I and I had I was on my. I was already ten minutes late but I had to stop at starbucks and she stood there for a moment and I was like hi good to see you and I was trying to kind of ended and then she just looked around in new started going to the progressive starbucks and so I just laughed so I apologized to her because her excitement was real. I'm sorry that I don't like that. They liked the beginning and not the end so I bail apologize apologize so different. We we really but this was a small quiet starbucks. It's just been super a part of it was like idealized back tomorrow. 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Who Would Win Storn vs Aang the Avatar and Last Airbender

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Who Would Win Storn vs Aang the Avatar and Last Airbender

"The temple was quiet. Serene the air bender known as an was deep in meditation contemplating the great struggles he has overcome and those yet to be. The air was cool and calm then the next moment it was tense and turbulence howling through the stillness illness. It was then that the mutant known as storm entered the temple and challenged adding to see which elemental manipulator was superior and grabbed his staff answered the challenge. It's the air nomad versus the weather dominator. It's the boy in the iceberg versus the girl from Harlem. Tom Storm today. Welcome to another episode of. Who would win? I show that completely ignores. There's anything important happening in the world and said focuses on a fictional battle between two characters from the worlds of comic SCI FI and fantasy. I'm your host James Gavin as always I'm joined by my co host raced as to Kanus Ray this battle. I think really excites US almost more than any other battle we've ever done. I think you might be laying it on a little thick right there. This battle title is no doubt very very exciting. Is it more exciting than me. Getting to rip people from Gi. Joe Probably not. Is this battle more exciting than then me being able to wrap. Oh Gosh I don't know the Leprechaun no but is the chance to take nickelodeon zone and the last heir vendor and do him the justice that the live action movie clearly did not definitely. Yes you know. I didn't listen to anything you just said. All I heard was that we're GonNa have a great episode. The reason why Ray. If you look to your left you're gonna see possibly someone who's transcended the position of judge judge and gone to icon within the WHO had win community that's correct. We both are on the same page here. We are talking about the one. The the only the right of the act of the Improv master. It's Marshall Givens Mark. Welcome to the show. I hope you just as I was the craziest introduction of ever had had went higher life. I should probably go dining. We'll be given over for me. I'll let you know after you render your verdict. I I gotta stay alive long enough. Oh for Ray thank you. We've had you on the show twice now. And the reason James Laurie Times you are such an icon. Is that you've given and on a silver plate. James Victory twice now incorrectly. The people might agree with you but I don't and that rates a little bit higher. Don't you agree. Oh Yeah thank you. Yeah as long as the people understand how fair and impartial. I have been in these battles. That's all it matters what I appreciate about this battle here. uh-huh tween storm and hang is that I will finally get a marshal givens victory and let's say I'm rooting for for you to do well. I'll put it that way you know. I'm glad they're doing so marshall I'll joking aside about ray why do you thank. You have become legitimately so popular within the WHO would win. We have other podcasters reaching out saying please give us marshals contact info and the let us go through rage aims. Give information the record. They're not asking for my contact now. Only marsal guys. I'm right here. I will probably do your says. You've probably already been docked next man. You're out there dark web seriously you. You've got a certain again as the the French say a genetic Wa no not French Latin okay. Why do you think you're so much with the FNB's Oh man that's A? I don't know I'm having fun with this is a fun show. You guys who doesn't like like fantasy battles man like this is cool and I'm just trying to be fair about it so I take it seriously in the fact that like. Hey Man this is a fun thing that I know people care a lot about comic books. Fantasy fantasy sci fi like all this stuff like I know this like means something to a lot of people. It means something to me so I take it seriously but also like to have fun with it and this is funds so hopefully I think people are feeling that like I'm having fun and they're having fun having fun it's fun yeah. Is it about having fun. I think about a few in fun. It's not fun period. Not The band. He didn't Latin and not French. So as opposed to the nonsense babbling James Doing I'll say from the people you have a certain e. pluribus unum about you. They really cannot be got a certain out of many one. What thank you so I did not take Latin? See I I did this translator deal I gotta ask you a question. I mean the first battle was created versus which suggested and was very confident that was gonna when he didn't and then the second match was to ask master favourite of raise versus guy one of my favorites the midnight or ray again came up short in that battle? I might have misjudged the judge the midnight or coming into that. Marshall what is your. What are your initial thoughts on? Today's matchup okay. So Oh I know a lot about storm because I'm I'm X.. Men like tied die like I grew up with that well. Let's see how much so I know about an air bender. I know he bins air. That's about all I feel that world does and I know Oh that he's got something to do with cliff. Curtis that's that's all I. Have you ever seen a ray. Try to bend air. Oh I've smelled of. It's not that's not where I I was going with an equally impressive single way that you could go would. This was a very narrow and I had a different idea. Yeah Roy ways around trying to create a tornado of sorts but but your your way applies to. That's that's interesting all right. So would that's about that's rape please do us. The honors announcing as matchup representing the world of Nickelodeon TV the monk who Benz more more air than a bar on Taco Tuesday. See I did it too. And and representing Marvel Comics mutant. WHO's favorite fruit? It is Halle Berry's storm. I don't get it man. You should lose just for that show. Yeah typically this is where I would say well done ray. I can't because of that so before we go any further. Let's go over the official rules of who would win match now. Rule number one each debater. We'll be able to make three points number. Two woodwind matches a random encounter. A neutral location with neither combatant necessarily knowing anything about opponent or having any time to prepare for it number three the exact version of the character has to be specifically stated so ray which version of anger you use it you know. There are actually several different versions out there from comic books to television television movies. But I gotta go with the Conic version. That's the one I tend to choose so I'm taking the one from nickelodeon animated TV show Avatar the last heir bender which which I'm going to really feature a lot of stuff from season three but also seasons one and two as well but he really kind of like escalated empower in season three especially towards the end of that season. So beware interesting are. I'll go with storm from Marvel's one-sixth Universe the storm we all love the storm. That's super impressive. The storm that's you you know the iconic storm Rule number four. The winner of the woodwind debate is whomever the judge. Decides has the best ability to incapacitate their opponent to the degree where they can safely walk away with no further threat being present this includes completely destroying their opponent removed from the field about restricting. The more knocking them out the WHO had went battles are not necessarily death. Matches the rule number five the judge. That's Marshall can disallow or veto appoint made by one of the debaters. If they feel it goes outside of the scope of the battle whereas irrelevant to the fight and will number six in eastern Baiter must use examples of power billion or weapons that are part of the specific characters continuity or at least was with that character. Good deal of time when off examples of powers Billy's ever use only once in the history will not be allowed and now let's get to the tail the tape for both of our combatants today. The tape is brought to you by who had won t shirts except imitations find the official. Who'd shirts on Amazon by typing and Hashtag? Who would win Ray? Please give us the details on the last heir. Bender is a preteen the monk who is the last surviving air bender of the air nomads southern Air Temple and discovered that he was an incarnation of the Avatar and it was his job to keep the world at peace he discovered this at twelve years old. He rejected this role and then he found himself frozen in an iceberg. For one hundred years before or being revived by the imperialist fire nation and evil firebase group determined to rule. The world was created by Michael Dante Di Martino and and Brian Pinette SCO and first appeared in the first episode of Avatar the last heir bender which debuted in two thousand five being an Avatar has the ability to control all four major elements. This also allows them to fly. Move the earth shoot fire and create torrents of water. Fun Fact Avatar. The last air bender is actually the sequel to family guy. Well sorta you see Avatar Creator. Michael De Martino actually worked on the TV show family guy before we're leaving the program to Co Create Avatar Michael wrote and directed several episodes of the Raunchy cartoon before leaving in two thousand two. There is no current word yet as the weather angle be fighting the giant chicken in a future installments. That is hang the last heir bender. Actually that was well done. I can say now. That was good. Okay strong a strong battles over thank you thank. You guys are being appreciated. Well in case he likes to continue Marshall here. The details for storm storm was created by Len Wein and Dave Cochran first appeared food giant sized X.. Men Number one back in May of Nineteen seventy-five born a Roman road to a tribal practice of Kenya and an American photojournalist father storm was raised in in both Harlem. An Cairo Egypt. She was made an orphan. After parents were killed in the midst of the Arab Israeli conflict. Storm is best known as a member of the x men of mutant heroes fighting for appeased equal rights between mutants and humans possessing natural leadership skills and formidable weather control powers of her own storm has led the X.. Men At times has been a member of teams such as the adventures and the fantastic four for storm is one of the most powerful mutants on earth possesses the sonic ability to control all forms of weather over vast areas. She could modify the temperature of the environment. Control arm all forms of precipitation humidity and moisture even at a molecular level generate lightning and other electromagnetic atmospheric phenomena demonstrated excellent control over atmospheric pressure. Her she can say all forms of meteoroid meteor a lot. She can treat storms and under stores blizzards and hurricanes as well as Miss Eh powers. Even Cooler storm can dissipate such whether to form clear skies as well. And here's an interesting fact about storm. Did you know that. It was storm that introduced gambit to the X. men is is true in a storyline that took place years ago storm with age and stripped of her memories and then ran the classic x men fo the shadow. King storm almost becomes his latest victim. But a mysterious serious Cajun mutant named Gambit saves at the last minute almost immediately. The two thieves strike up a partnership season relying on each other for survival. One storm gets her memories back. She introduces gambling to the expert and the rest is history and now you have the facts and both opponents Marshall. Do you have any questions before we get started. No Man. Let's do it all right right here. This one point number one boy. I was expecting a little bit more. That'll be I don't have any questions. Let's talk about Ang's control of the four elements. That's my point number one so first off. He has an air bender which means he naturally has the ability to manipulate and control air that sort of the jam of the vendors his title is misleading. Well he's the last heir bender because there was a big amount of strife stripe that happened with the Fire Lords taking over the realm and so when he was encased in an iceberg for one hundred years all the other bidders were killed so he is the last heir bender under butts through his trials and tribulations of seasons one two and three he learns the other elemental abilities as well as an icon of the Avatar. Okay so he can manipulate all more than four elements but the big four talk about per point number one here so we start off with air of course so imagine some of the things he can do he can take the air and he can use it to blast large projectiles out of his way. Great defensive ability is at one point. A giant flaming ball was hurtling towards him. Off a catapults while while he was riding around on a cloud another airbase power because you can fly and he just took his airpower just kicked it out of his foot shot gust of error in a targeted way and then just blew up right there. In the air additional he can create tornadoes and a lot of these powers. Sound similar to what storm does so. This is my base point of point. Number one is to show you that the very very minimum he holds even with storm. But then I'll show you why he can win so he could freeze things. Despite the fact it's a water ability he could use the air and make it so cold that it freezes raises things additionally he's blown people away he's casually just done little wisps like a whip of air and he's knocked tanks over like it was absolutely nothing. There's was one point where there's a tank on all four sides of him and he just goes one two three four all four tanks is fly away because this is the level of power that he can do just by barely even even thinking about it with the air but additionally he also has water abilities so he can create elements of ice and he created ice shield around him he could create gigantic tidal waves to just crash down on anybody that he wants to. He's also used the ice to trap people before and to encase them in ice and kind of like hold their legs or go over the top of their bodies and he's had the ability to encase people in ice as far as the earth power goes he can of course conjuring throw rocks at people also gigantic boulders. He can also much like the trap them. In the power of the earth he just sort of wisps his hands and also the earth opens up and swallows. Both of a man's feet locking him into the ground locking him in place which is very very huge. He also has what's called a seismic sense which is essentially his spider sense in that when people make noises as you can feel the vibrations in the earth and you can feel the movement of the people around him so he knows when he's about to get attacked by somebody even if he shouldn't because he can feel it in the earth around him so it's almost impossible to sneak up on the air bender because he has this seismic sense about him in sort of attuned to the to the power of the earth and then finally fire fires. Maybe the most self explanatory of all of these. He creates a whole bunch of fire as well. As you know Augusta fire. He could shoot fire. Beams Zip people. He can throw fireballs at people essentially every single level for wizard from advanced dungeons and dragons every one of those fire spells he just has qualifier the fire cascading fire. I'm sure magic. Missile would appear somewhere in there if he really really wanted it to. But what's really really impressive about his ability to not only manipulate Tipu late but also conjure these elements as well and this is where he has a big thing on storm. Storm can only manipulate things that are around her. Okay he could. Actually it create the things around him so she is limited as to what's going on in the environment around her whereas hang is the environment around him so he cannot elite it create the water he can then shoot with the water. You see what I'm saying. He doesn't need to be near a body of water to make that work. You know he doesn't need storm can only change the barometric pressure so much before she starts disrupting entire systems and she really does not want to do that. It has in her character that you would not do that. But the coolest thing about is that he can not only only manipulate all four elements. He can do all four at once. Which means that when he gets ready for his giant level had Dukhan which he puts together at the end of season three when when fighting his nemesis fire Lord by? WHO's the big bad of that series? He's the one that took over. The world killed the Air Benders etc etc.. He creates a powerful triple beam of all four elements at the exact same time which would essentially wreck face on anything that has it because no matter what you're kind of immune to whatever you've got power of one one of those getting through and it's weapon you and he creates a powerful beam in the final battle and we'll get to in a little bit here like what happened to that battle because I think that's also very very important but we're not going to get to that point number two no spoilers yet kids and that is my point number one Interesting it is interesting interesting especially if if all of that were true but it's even try. Oh okay let let me ask the question. You said that storm can't create a water grand back. You know we all create water one way or another tech. Don't WanNa go near that statement. But I'm talking about tears of sorrow you take your body direction to that's fine. That's exactly what I was thinking. Tears of sorrow in the bathroom. Okay so you're saying that an can create water disc Ashley so that is incorrect. He can manipulate water. That is near him. He needs a water or some type of moisture based something substance for example. There's blood bending which is a subset of water bending that's one of the things that can be done right not to take away from a a future point but it's almost adding adding but also going to show you where I'm going with this or so if the substance is there that can be manipulated. Th Th is the person who can do it right and that goes for earth fire water air. It's gotTa be there and I think air is one of those things where you don't really see he needs to create it because it's already there fire from the fire. Benders that comes from their internal colonel system of heat. What have you? And that's how they manipulate it and projected from their body water. Same thing water has to be there in some way shape or form and same thing with the earth will the Earth Zehr so. That's why they can manipulate right. And so- storm actually talked about can create water moisture. Out of the air by manipulating knipling the elements in the molecular level. That's a little bit of a different difference between the two and then also the ground attacks that and can sense agree a hundred percent that works well if that person person initiates the attack while on the ground correct I actually thought this at length way more than probably I should have and it did affect my sleep last night I would I would say is yes for sure if they're walking on the ground but they do create if they fly they do create kind of a current of air and I believe he's attuned enough that that current of air that they would push push aside that he would feel now. It wouldn't be as intense but I believe he would feel it if they were flying around him. I would agree with that point. Okay so let me let me get to my point number one they do that. Let me just say right now. I've I've watched some of the videos. I've done some research on this. I have seen him create elements. So I don't want to sit here. And James is saying rate light it his entire airport number one that is simply not the case. I have seen him create the items to then manipulates. I just WANNA make sure. That's on the record Marshall. You're in deep thought right now. Let's go because would would i. Would I actually what I'm hearing. Is that you both six and one half dozen. 'cause you're both saying about the same thing or set is remarkably similar between green tea and and and the the source of said. Oh He needs to have a water source or she would have to have a worser. It's the same thing they're like. Just both manipulating whatever's there air to be manipulated true but okay so let me get to my point number one this kind of clarified. Okay like we we all know. That storm has the power to control manipulate weather right and a lot of people. Just take that as face at face value you know she can create and shoot lightning either from the sky or from her hands. She can create massive tornadoes and hurricanes she creates massive amounts of rainfall and winds travelling like at mach one again impossible speeds and she used her power to keep yourself safe from the extremes of weather she creates which is really cool and she does that subconsciously without even trying to you know. Make sure she safe but the difference also from here is the range of her power so for example she could create a storm the size of North America. And she's done that before and then she can instantly make that storm cease to exist. So yeah there's some similar elements the powers but the scope the range. The magnitude of what storm can do really really far outpaces. What an can do with his albeit? Impressive Powers I. You know another example that she used wins that she generated to carry a huge airplane over eighteen hundred miles and make it land safely in New York City and she couldn't making travel too fast for the safety of the passengers on board. That's ultimate weather manipulation to keep it safe and make it land properly. That's a little bit different than Hey I can blow a tank Hank Away with a whip of air or I can't push someone away almost like what looks like the force. This is a very different level of whether mutilation. She was in a spaceship in one issue the X. men and she created a super strong massive tornado to launch your ship into space. I think this was like in the eighties. I know exactly so you know little little little grant you know salt there. But that's something she did heck of a drug James It is one thousand nine hundred absolutely metric out there. She can also use her control. The power just like am does but again agree agree. She can fly at superhuman speeds. When the winds taker there she can use the wind create force fields around her? She can use the rain. Hail a sharp projectiles over huge areas of attack back she can even separate oxygen from water in such a way. We're still use a pocket of wind with the extract. Oxygen oxygen underwater to breathe right so she has different ways to manipulate weather at the molecular level to help her accomplish. Whatever it is she needs to accomplish? Talking about dropping temperatures can drop the temperature so fast the moisture surrounding an opponent. The opponent freeze is. It's called flash freeze. She flash freeze them into submission and she did this against Colossus where he got completely immobilized. And that's Colossus. Who's like the class one hundred character who can somewhat take on the hulk? Maybe not as powerful. But he's definitely in that class she can set air on fire right by making stuff. Your mouse move really fast. She's also very precise she can make two guns of police officers freeze so when it com. She manipulate the moisture in a person's ear-drum to give them vertigo so when it comes to weather manipulation relation storm can both manipulate weather on a large continental scale or pinpoint it to the size of a person's eardrums again ultimate point or final point on this. Her weather other manipulate is of a different caliber than Ang's is etched point number one point number. I Marcel questions. You WanNa ripped apart before I do. I can't rip that apart like I don't have enough anger invo to rip anything apart solid not even in and for I mean I don Tornado powerful enough to throw a shuttle into space now louder induced nineteen eighteen eighty s Comic Book World. What I would say in regards to that is Marshall? You've seen anime before correct. Yeah would you say that throwing a shuttle into space. Maybe the minimum feet of any character that type of an animated series. Oh I would I mean like I'm not that familiar with anime but I would think we're talking about storm from the very famous animated series. No I'm talking about hang. Who Comes from the animated series with its stylistic intentions being from the world of is there example of ink taking in something this size spaceship in launching into space launching into space? He's never needed to try to talk about a show that went to Spain but a man but he do it. Yes Sir really without question he could do it again. He sort of just like flicked his wrist and gigantic tanks. Four of them flew through the air and just disappeared off screen based on my question is are there any examples of him using his powers is precisely early as absolutely and I will get into that in just a little bit thing I would say yes we. Can you ask Ray Ray here but rather talk to you Marshall Marshall Ray if ams ever used his powers over like I don't know a landmass the size of a continent has he not that I've seen but he's much more personal marshawn. What's the answer that I gave you? I the first two letters were the operative one that I've seen it was. Oh that's automatic if this battle took place over a confidence and they were continents apart. Baby you'd have an advantage but that's not how the wind works if you would like to posit storm a continent away. I will gladly take my battlefield removed. Victory Right now. The only other thing I would add here. Is You talk about Colossus having the cold weather affecting his joints. And what have you and Marshall you spent some time in the Mid West. Start Your car in the snow sometimes. That car doesn't start. What does that say? It says less about more colossus than it does about story. You're comparing your car in the mid west to Colossus ossis correct. I'M GONNA have to go the judge on this when are you can't really compare the drive. A red minivan with a wooden Stripe across the side very colosseum. Take him back Pontiac. Grand Prix is not colossus. I love where you're going with. This also love how you pronounce the word nonsense as nonsense. It's well that's the only correct way when bottle but please give point number. Do my point number two is a little bit of a hodgepodge. WE'RE GONNA call this to jeopardy potpourri category because is there are three aspects of this that I really would like to take a second to talk about first off. Let's just talk about the durability of because it takes a beating eating repeatedly he takes he fights elementary lists all across the board and honestly just gets rocked from here to sunset especially when he goes up against fire Lord by the first incarnation and he just gets rocked he gets hit by lightning and thankfully God he does not die from it he learns from it and and and he's able to make this work. It's the only way that I've seen at least in the first three seasons. which is all? I'm really drawing from right here for this character. It's the only real way he's experienced some level of defeat is it's the is is to get hit which which we can get into in a little bit but outside of that he has a stronger. Abilities been thrown everywhere. He's been knocked everywhere. He's been beaten beaten senseless but he always comes back. He's always right there. It really doesn't take him a lot to recover outside of a handful of very small things very short list. I should say things that have actually knocked down for longer than just like a second or two because he has this inner sense inside him. He has this purity of spirit about him now. You mentioned before. That storm is a criminal with Gambit certain point in her history and that's how she first met him. Anger would never do that. You know he discovered most air benders. Discover that they have the incarnation of the Avatar at the age of sixteen I Angus covered at the age of twelve which gave him four more years but everybody else to harness and master's powers and it has been theorized that because he got such an early start on the powers hours. That's really what allowed him to being younger to learn the other stuff before it became too much to bear too much for him to even worry about so. He's been doing this for a very very long time. I mean one hundred years in an iceberg. It's fake numbers but it adds up. You know the other thing that I would say right. Here's the storm has a very important weakness. Now it's a little bit less pronounced now than it. Was this before but it is worth being put on the record because at one point in her history storm was buried in the earth for three days. She has acute claustrophobia. which under many circumstances storm being storm? Not a big deal. She can handle it. She can work with it but against a character who has shown repeatedly over and over again the ability not to entrap people in the earth he could one hundred percent use the power of the earth to entrap her now. Storm doesn't necessarily completely lose her powers when she is inside something when she's feeling claustrophobia. But it has dulled her powers it has weakened her powers that has caused her to freak out and lose control of her powers. I if not have tampered completely so I would argue that a very good battlefield removal technique could be that the Avatar and encases her and earth. It it is able to kind of get over under that way it starts doing case in come over her. Maybe she doesn't make the right. Move to escape right away. Because she's overcome by a little of this claustrophobic fear maybe that allows her to get fully encased maybe that allows for a battlefield removal victory as it takes are a couple of minutes to get her wits about her in and get back into the fight again on the other hand pure of spirit pure of mind body just generally pure character. I don't even know why I'm defending him to be quite frank with you. He does not have a certain weakness like storm armed. Does the final thing that I'm going to bring up. Here is the way that hang eventually. Spoiler alert defeats fire. Lord Jose I should say at the end of season three and that's because he's got him down he's got him in case in the earth is very powerful fire bender. He's about to go through because he has to kill him. That is what has to happen in this particular case. It's the only way he's going to feet this guy. He creates that whirlwind to the four different powers at the same time the four elements to come down. He's going to strike him right in the forehead with at maximum velocity and murder him and in and the last moment he says I just don't kill I just can't kill. He stops instead. He gives himself to the power of the Avatar Okay and he touches him on the forehead as as the Fire Lords. Like what the heck's going on and he ends up saying look if I am of pure full thirty one hundred percent no impure thoughts no bad deeds if I am as pure as the avatar would like to be I now gain a certain ability and and that ability is the ability to remove the powers of the fire Lord. He makes him no longer have the ability to have fire and it almost doesn't work but then right before it's drama sake right about to overtake him with the evil power he shoots out real fast good power because he is the pure person inside and he has the ability to appease the Avatar Guitar and so by putting his hand on the forehead of the fire Lord he's able to strip him of all of his elemental powers against a character like storm. Especially sleep if you consider the fact that he can entrap her with ice or earth or something and could hold her still for a second. He is also very very fast as fast as storm. No doubt he can catch up to her hand on the forehead remove all her powers using the avatar ability storm with no ability to manipulate. The weather is an easy victory at this point for an who would then safely walk away at minimum. And that is my point number two interesting point number two Marshall before I absolutely tear that apart you have any thoughts or would you like me tear it apart and then provide you see I would I like. I don't want to tear it apart for you. Sure but James Really relies on that a lot of the time trying planetary. I don't want to tell you the party. The my question though would be if he has the ability to take that like the avatars pleased and can give him the ability to take the other avatars powers Storms not an Avatar of well. Listen thank you somebody within this is where maybe the jumping of the universe is happens. She is somebody who has innate elemental powers just like fire Lord. Jose does so the question is as they cross universes since. It's an innate power Laura just a thing that she can do by thinking about it much in the same way the fire Lord could is the power of the Avatar who is mystical being. Is that powerful enough to strip storm form of her abilities. My argument is definitely yes a hundred percent. If he can do it here he should be able to do it there. Here's a here's the deal. That is interesting. It's interesting interesting theory. That's incorrect I'll tell you why because in the world of bending world of Avatar and the world of bending how dare you well help you know. Bending the powers our energy it's an energy manipulation rates internal energy manipulation storms powers are not energy base aether sonic based that were created off the x gene which is a mutant gene that all mutants have that professor x can detect with cerebral right. That's how he finds mutants around the world so it's a different mechanism for creating. It's kind of like this. I'm big and strong because I workout. Ray could be possibly being strong if you took steroids. The thing is it's different types of ways to be big and strong Ang's powers grades. They are energy based and also possibly mystical in nature. Just as Ray said and talking about the energy bending which is really cool stores powers ours are more sonic base in scientifically based through molecular manipulation. I mean these are two heads of the same coin bar so do not let James Fool. You hear what I would would argue as far as the air benders go is. They do a mystical energy that they can then manipulate to do two things as opposed to storm who uses her mind power to then bend and manipulate relate things. It's the same thing like it. Not Everybody in the Air Bender universe can bend things not everybody in the X.. Men Universe has a mutant power if you can remove this elemental ability from one. You can remove it from the other phrase. That's really that's a big jump but let me let me also talk about. I don't like that big a jump. I talk about the CLAUSTROPHOBIA. That that was a really pronounced weakness. snus of storms especially characters first introduced in the seventies and the eighties even early nineties in the ninety two series for example. That was really a thing that storm did so remember. It's okay in the eighty s that she can flip a tornado. A shuttle and space. We should only listen to that though any weaknesses that come from that point obviously aren't real. Well here's the thing so her claustrophobia. Whenever whenever someone tries to encase earn something or try to take advantage of that at this point of her career it just pisses her off and make her comfortable though she never fully? We got over it. She isn't as completely paralysed rail against the character gang. Babies you when you look at me directly. Sure I'm uncomfortable but I'm not in any way shape or form less capable of debating debating. If I think the audience would disagree with Marshall Let me get to my point number two. You'll see where I'm going to come with all of this. Okay and imagining and talk a little bit about what ray brought up. I'm going to call us the x-factor oddly enough as a member of the X men storm has had years possibly decades worth of training in every area of combative that you can think of and during that time she's also had countless years of experience inside the expense danger room right which is possibly the world's best and most advanced combat simulator right and that's fueled by Ilian technol- and all that and during your time as experts she also had to fight apocalypse. God like being super powerful Alien Armies Inter mental warlords Tele Pass and time paradoxes. Fox's when is the last time I had to fight against anything like that he has. He's fight against really powerful opponents but they've all been like exactly like storm. They've been they've been like let's see someone who can do one of those four things right probably in a different levels too. But here's the question. What do you get when you take away? Storms powers just what race it. What do you get? Well you get someone who took on doesn't and some Ninjas and one you get someone who beat a horde of demons super powerful supernatural demons and one again with no power to get someone who took on and still managed to beat cyclops while he was using his powers in about who should lead the X.. Men and yeah. She led the X.. Men when she had no power as well. So that's how capable storms without powers with ours hours. She knows how to use them. combativity at a extreme mastery or level mastery and as great of a fighter as ing with his powers 'cause he is actually a really great fighter to he clearly doesn't have the experience and the breadth abuse of powers or combat situations. That storm has so the experience alone on that she's gotten with the x men in association with Marvel Characters. And what have you gives her. This encyclopedic knowledge of combat. And everything I can think of of that and just won't even come close to having remember this is decades of training versus someone who's twelve but really exceptionally fantastic at twelve. That's my point number two and you raised up some great nonsense. They're nonsense if storm is still hear you saying James is apparently storm has been stripped overpowers a whole heck of a lot apparently she fights without her powers all the time. Maybe it's not so outrageous that her powers could be stripped from her by Avatar. Just put it out there since it seems to happen every date of the way you posit this story also. My understanding of storm is that she is a powerful human but at the end of the day still just a human immune human with the weather other ability. But if you like hitter with shovel it hurts. It hurts her a lot. She doesn't have that kind of regenerative factors doesn't necessarily super strength about her. She kind of used uses the elements to do everything. So if you can get a blow through it one hundred percents going to hurt or maybe more than many other heroes would is interesting thing. I also find interesting that you went with a shovel analogy because that's out of all the things storm has faced. I know the dastardly shovel has been a thorn in her. So when we do the mystery men the Shuffler versus storm episode. You're probably in trouble that's true. That's true so her powers do provide her with an extra layer protection subconsciously for example if it's if the temperatures too cold her body will be the live temperatures will be raised up subconsciously. She has internal barometer. Whatever you WANNA call it same thing? If it's too hot she can close up down. She can travel. At high. Mach speeds through the winter contralto taking her and pocket. Barrel be around. Her internal systems will make or more durable now. I'm not talking like super durable but they will raise whatever level. She needs to get to that point some durability but maybe not a high level of durability I'd I'd say at least equal to and probably more probably not what I would say to this danger I would actually not even a dispute this point when it comes to variety of opponents that storm faced it is a far away a measure above anything that and his face. The problem for you though is the fact that hang lives in danger room. In the fact that it's realm being attacked by elemental fulltime and the fights that an anger taking on every single day our people fighting the exact same way that storm fights. He's constantly fighting people who've been fire who've been air. who changed the weather? WHO ATTACK WITH ICE? Who Do all the things that storm does thankfully fights those people in that way every single day of his life so while Oh yes storm has had more training? I would argue that the targeted training that hang has had through his struggles is exactly what would fight stormed the best. So He's had what three years of training you said a few yeah okay versus decades of training remember. She like one hundred seven. She's I think she's probably early forties in the comic books because they said she was like twenty something when she late twenties when she first started decades and decades to make it sound like. You sound like she's ninety. What are we doing right now? Listen I just said she had better training James. You don't need to lie about it jeeze. Oh Pete's such language all right to quote ray this is nonsense and let's get to our turing point so Marshall this is the point where you kind of tell us who you think is ahead in the battle and what the other side has to do to pull out a victory. So what are your thoughts on this so far you you know what interestingly enough no one is ahead right now right now it is even even because you both brought up some very good points about it and surprising points of that. Oh you know what that actually does make some sense so as of right now he wanting to me when he said that just for the medium of podcast I saw you and then looked away and rolled his eyes indicating surprise and shock at Raise Coherent coaching points. However I will say that no this is a very even match right now in my book on my scorecard so I don't really know what I would need to here from? Either one of you WanNa hear it. I guess it's fair enough. That is behind. That is the honesty that is Marshall gives all right ray give us your point number three point number three. We're just GONNA call another level because there is something that anger has the ability to do. That storm cannot even broach upon. And and that's that you're you're familiar with dragon. Ball Z. Yes they're familiar with when a character goes super saying. Oh wouldn't you know it and can go into what's called an Avatar state which just basically a being of pure energy that now has ramped up you know ten fold the strength of the abilities and the powers and what have you to the point where well in the Avatar state he is able to access to unknown bending like bending that doesn't even exist in the moral world because the way that it works is he's able to go into the memories much like buffy the vampire slayer can with other slayers is able to go into the past all future avatars. There's and do things that those people have learned to do. So it's sort of like that is what he taps into when he goes into the Avatar state now. The avatar state at I in his early development was something that happened in a moment of high tension or emotion however by the time he gets to where I'm talking about at the end of season three he can go in and out of it at will over the course of those three seasons used the Avatar State fifteen times this is not exactly a one off example or something. He doesn't do all the time. When it comes to a big battle against the elementary storm he would one hundred percent if the battle starts going back and forth and nobody's really getting over say martial for example it went two rounds and nobody had the lead we just yet? He would tap into his avatar state and pole bending and techniques and possibilities that nobody can even conceive of today and he doesn't even know Oh that he's he's necessarily doing it because he's tapping into this unknown sort of spirit force that controls and is super super powerful lake a super say in from Dragon. Ball Z one of the examples. That he did in one of them is he created a Jig. Gigantic Earth Gholam like the size of two hundred feet taller. What have you made completely of earth? And he used it to fight another giant creature. Who knows how he figured out how to do that? It's because he was able to do a thing that nobody had done up to that point and now I can do it too do and I don't even have to think about it. So the ability to take his powers crank them up to eleven and become a being of pure energy. Who can now ben things that nobody's even heard before you even if we go back and forth with the elemental stuff what is storm throws a tornado at and he's dealt with that before no problem if what is she going to do is just GonNa hit him with a hail all storm? This is things he's dealt with before you know he could. He could bend the powers of fire and melt the hell before it even gets to him. No problem so I can see these two characters going back and forth shooting elemental hansel stuff at each other and flying around as they do a whole heck of a lot with with honestly stalemate happening until and takes it to that next level with the Avatar state go and super saying taking his powers and putting them on eleven storm doesn't have that ability to tap into that and that's my point number three so so I think you're talking about like the way the fifth element which is the energy bending. No that's Bruce Willis Marsh talking about the the Fifth Element. which is the energy? Sure Bruce Wilson it could be great movie by the way so underrated underrated so okay. I do agree that he has that ability to power up. I do agree agree that he has the ability to bend energy and use it in. That's part of what ray was to. How it that's how we got the ability to take someone's bending powers away and also to restore for them and actually give them to people as well? The real thing is just like hang. Has that ability to power. Up Sodas storm is. He's your point number three. This is point number three here we go into it into it okay. Storm really really holds back and she has just like Avatar does or does she's she's got levels and then she has levels so my point number three. I'm going to call this Omega level so back in the late eighties nineties and early. Two Thousands Marvel toss around the term Omega level mutant describe immune of the highest degree of power and according to Marvel no major level Muniz considered to be the most powerful type of mutant on earth almost most godlike in the marvel universe. You know you up you know you could take like Thorin what he can do to take an Omega level mutant almost like they're the same race bright of alternate means. An example is Franklin Richards. WHO's the son of Sue Storm mister fantastic for the pentax four and this person who can warp reality and who controlled galactic is to do his bidding for him. You're almost like I herald. The Franklin who was gladys and make a level mutant is powerful enough to affect the earth as a whole with their powers in some way shape or form so why mutant will stores powers aren't exactly about whether manipulation and this is now the key difference between the two stores powers are actually about energy manipulation so she actually controls me relates incenses the multiple forms of energy used in all facets of weather so this kind of gets complex. I really took to deep dive with this storm. Can perceive thermal kinetic doc electric electromagnetic radiant or luminous energy tidal energy and potential energy. So in short storm is extremely powerful. Energy manipulator storm has again. That's bond with her mind with all these types of energy and the elements which means she knows exactly how and when to use it in all these different situations instinctively actively on top of that none. I mentioned the extreme conditions that she creates with the weather. A factor at all in fact eligible another factor. Her subconscious actually gets her uses her own energy manipulation to use whatever protective mechanism to keep her safe right so she goes on water she can breathe air with a pocket of air surrounded by. She goes flies super fast. There's going to be wind around her and her body will increase ever. Whatever it needs to happen will happen? This gives her a set of other types of powers by the way such as the ability to control the electrical impulses within someone's body which she does when she wants to knock them out. Give them internal shock. Maybe shock to the heart or other specific by parts she can literally see the electrical pulses. Within in someone's body in other words storm can tell when a person is about to do something physical or using power because you can see the electrical impulses that get activated and travelled through the body to accomplish it. And this plane's one what I call not really weakness but one limitation. He has with the vast majority of his abilities now. Stormy normal have much greater power to her tax angles. She could actually let an attack I because she could use the attacks of wind. Water and air manipulate redirect or even dissipate the Ellen based attack like all together remember if all of a sudden and feels water shoots it at storm. She can then like completely us all those elements in a much better way back against and and she's done that a ton of times remember she's also fought very powerful weather manipulators and one of them in particular she did great against a number of times. And that's marvel's greatest weather manipulator later thor so when Dave actually fi and she's she's got sometimes she did really well against the war doors always given her like a lot of credit even called her goddess Loki even gave storm a form of you'll near that she was using and she eventually gave it up because he's like I just don't need it and I don't want from Loki but she's considered like almost like an honored member of Asgard scarred for her God like use of weather and that's coming from thor and the members of Asgard so let's say an keeps as competitive. He has one weakness right which I want to get to remember how ray was demonstrating. You know how angry hand motions out and was going to be like creating a tornado or doing crazy stuff okay. Here's one of the things I discovered in in Avatar that when the characters are about to use their bending powers they have to conjure them or manipulate their body through their hands or legs. Do a really cool martial arts almost Kung Fu looking technique to get the the matter to move someone shoot fire they have to kind of initiate that move with a big motion when in one of the characters uses earth bending she has to move her arms and stop the Earth to kind of get things going and then continue moving her body to kind of go so in other words if they don't move typically none of the powers get initiated as that's happening by the way what do you think storm do. Well she can flash freeze them in a position before they can move. That's on top of that. She can see what they're about to do by watching their electrical impulses through their body in the end. Storm's GONNA be able to see things attacks where he's finished making them but she'll be quicker on the draw because she doesn't have to do the big body motions to do it. She can literally be standing there and activate powers and whether whether mutation et Cetera so historically power of high level weather manipulation her decades of training experience as a member of the expert and the fact that she's a mega level mutant confer created super powerful storms. That can threaten a continent in their power is free Z.. Y. Storm Wins this fight. That's a pointer but I still don't see exactly how that works against regular people and soldiers and armies and not powered people hand for okay authority great weather manipulator. He's just the god of thunder he he kind of a one trick. Pony as far as weather goes isn't he. Oh I'm glad he can't create storm so yeah he can. I'm glad he can't control atrocity. Or you know like that he can what he can create. Thunder can have. If you're wearing rubber boots. You can defeat thor. Let's just start there. You talk about storm being an Omega level mutant they you were kind of throwing that term around fairly liberally. which is how a storm gets in there marine Omega level means okay? You've got galactic meeting. You've got a galactic keep galactic. I haven't done research. Don't make a little moons. What I know is that storm is not one of them? Professor Correct Professor Talks Dark Phoenix g-great right and iceman spends already done my point about this whole thing. Is there something called the baseball spall hall of fame. which is the Omega level of baseball baseball analogy because this is a great analogy? So what I would say. There's the baseball hall of fame. We talked about Omega Level Mutant so all of of a sudden like your elevated to this top level mega level mutant. That's fine baseball. Hall of fame is the same way. There are some people who don't belong in the Baseball Hall of fame because they are not hall of famers she is. It's basically the Harold Baines of Omega Level Mutants okay. Somebody who's solid for a period of time has been doing it for maybe a couple of decades that that is the greatest designated hitter of all time storm. No mega man destroyed eight right there because you from Detroit a you know like anybody from Chicago Chicago. Harold Baines is not a hall of Famer my point is the whole thing. Is that mistakes. Get made when you start over arching umbrella a little bit hard hard. And that's how storm ends up with ICEMAN. ICEMAN is an Omega level. capers dominant view random comment. Have you read x men comics lately. I have I read x men comics lately. No no do you know how to read. No exactly so Marshall avoid leading is listen lady America. I know what ICEMAN I've seemed. ICEMAN can do and he just rides around on ice. Isn't that Omega so already. This designation is garbage facebook and community is about reason. Isn't that James's interrupting me constantly. Because he knows that I'm hammering him and he just talks over disregard. What I'm saying but marshawn have one more point? I just want to make the big difference between the two. And they both great elemental lists being that anger being of energy. I don't see how affecting inner eardrum to give him vertigos really going to affect that very very well. All Nice try. James Gatherings between the two is is the durability. And that's where it really comes down now you've said and you said yourself. She has some durability but not a very very high hi level whereas and has very very high level durability so when it comes down to trading blows back and forth and there's going to be able to take the punishment that storm conditions out over a long period of time and I personally do not believe that storm because she doesn't have that high high level of endurance she doesn't have that high level of regeneration is really what I meant to say. They right there. She doesn't have that healing factor. That's the word I was struggling for. Neither does hang has the ability to come back strong every single time. He is a being of pure energy. He's not being. That's what I want to say. The durability I think is the big factor here but let's go to Marshall Marshall Zehra Billy's definitely a big factor. That's why storm has fought against Wolverine. took she took shots. What's from cyclops? When she right now because he by the way she's against the war he hits pretty hard? You guys see what's happening right now. You guys see this when you could always tell when James is nervous because he does not let me constantly trying to talk over me if James feels he has the match in the bag. He'll let me talk for days and just sit back like little little church mouse drinking a cup of tea but when James Nervous because he thinks he's behind the fangs and the claws. Come out audience at home. You can see it Marshall. Don't be fooled. No no intoxicating mind fog today James. I'd love to hear the church. Mouse drinking tea. Oh man so you guys need a result right now give us okay. You've heard both besides okay. You've heard raise voice increase dramatically kind of Of I've heard both arguments like I said I've already familiar with storm. Maybe not into the level or to the extent that her powers. I didn't realize that exactly how powerful she'd gotten. It's been awhile since I've read a book and thing really made a lot of good points about ing about the durability as was like huge even before you brought it back up again like that was one thing that did stick in my mind mine because I kept thinking about that was like I've seen storm take a lot of hits. Pushy doesn't seem durable while taking those hits like she. Yes yes she takes hits but like she doesn't she's never seemed to be the physical imposing durable character and from what Ray described Ang's feats as being and the fact that here he is in. I guess he would be in constant combat in his world and I would definitely give anger the nod in in terms of the durability factor. I think that's I think that's huge and I honestly like all things like everything else about those two characters. I feel you like the durability would be like the deciding factor in this battle but then you brought up the fact that Oh wait they gotta do all the hand movements is to do all the fighting whereas store that evens it out a lot and my book and and this is like really making it very difficult to to come up with like a clear cut winner because of that because it's like Oh man like he won't necessarily get a chance to attack as much as he would like because he's he's got to do a lot of Taichi type of stuff to get the movement out I. I took Tai Chi when I was in eighth grade. I remember that it's like the energy flows through you. And you gotTa do you this and pushing out of you and your bigger than your body and a whole bunch of stuff. But I feel as if even if even though he would be more durable in a fight I think because storm can actually affect the battlefield more instantaneously then anger would I like I like the slightest of edges. It just goes to storm and there you have it. Is that actually your decision. I have like horrible sees dot a super fast character and flicks his wrists and he does things. What are you talking talking about the color? By the way raise of mega level mutant power of red face is now coming up if you can tell. Look at Ray Lewis. I audited right now that you let James Light you that pretending that she is somehow super facet and go through a thirty minute routine to do or outrage. It's about being super fast but but but it does seem to. You just said it was. You don't have to be super fast to beat. Somebody doesn't have to elaborate. Britt hand gyrations like he's using seven four code. He flicks his wrist in a thing. POPs evidently rate has to be super loud to communicate this to shame name. It's the same reason why I think that I don't understand how Dr Strange can be effective on a battlefield. Because he's got a one out of every five trillion they tell us what what's going through your mind right i. I honestly can't believe you've been able to do martial for you have today. It's not a do retired debating. Marshall was that what happened. Somehow you convince okay has to do a meditative sixty minute okay. Eight one power and we literally okay turns his body and it happens we can we can okay. Let's let's not that fast when you let them get away with Asia. Let's back hearing your safety right now. No no no not at all. That's backing them right here. But we'RE GONNA back it up a little bit. Tell me exactly what the process is for the Air Benders to perform the because so many different ways but doesn't actually think that was important to this battle only know only because the only way that I have seen it has been a very elaborate like tapping into like what if that's all the tanks over. He's holding a stick and he goes and he just kicks it up just slightly and then a huge ripple of wind flies it away when he's when he's in the fire he's just pushing his hands forward doing all these things it is. It is not like he has to sit here. Karen do elaborate doctor. Strange David Karen Hainan has my okay. So here's here's where here's where I'm going with this. Is he fast. Enough imprecise enough to stop storm from manipulating something inside of his body absolutely before he he can push her away because one he can he can put up air defenses. And what have you. Because it's still got she's still affecting elements and that's still requires a line of sight in a thing to happen she. She can't just like hit somebody behind a door you know. She's got to be able to actually get some air in there actually she. Can't she incense energy around to attest. Rate Answer is Marcel. You've been duped that's the answer right. This is outright. You'RE GONNA love this experiment. Ray I need to do if you ever. Can you. Just sit on your hands for second not possible okay. Well if you're sit on your hands. How great would you're debating meeting stabby if you couldn't use your expressive nece? That's like asking Elvis. Not Dance exactly so. It's the same thing people who do the basic. This was a good dance. Everyone has got the golden hips. What do you think this I suppose? But let all of us sway. Shovel comes into the rate was referring to. He's kind of digging. Got Fooled here. I'm sorry Vashon job I have. You seen the logic check and I gotta tell you elemental powers away from people. Other store doesn't do that and she loses her powers hours every Sunday. What are we talking about right now? How could you possibly ignore everything? I said that. He's Super High Kidon. I didn't ignore if he rides out. I'd said it was. I'd said the durability had you in the lead and kept me there there's other factors raid UNITA hug. Don't touch just wanted me to vote for you. I just Marceau. Here's the deal. I want you to feel bad because you've made a terrible that show I will. I refuse to feel bad about Marshall I I would like to personally invite you to be the judge every episode. Just like your your your your process man. Look at all the notes I'll row man is not like I didn't take this. I will defend myself to the end either. So why don't you just tell people where they can find you online so they can yell at you for this obvious. The people will answer time going to tell you that me tell you pay so loud. I can tell what area of Los Angeles he is in just based off what words he's using seismic Marshall again. You were a fantastic. Great Judge Always Ray or a terrible job. We'll do it later crying in the shower. We'll we'll talk about it. Follow Marshall Tell everyone along. Oh you pay me and this week. I'M GONNA show up as another executive advertising. Oh my goodness gracious. Ah Mr Happy Gins on twitter and facebook or twitter and Instagram facebook. Whenever our facebook community really likes you by the way I'll cool? Well they used to. They used until this battle. This battling Hashtag Ray was robbed. We could put it on the record. HASHTAG raise write hashtag upset that the same. Hey Ray Punch where they can find. You can find me at Almighty Ray on twitter in his grumpy. CK If you go to Hashtag grumpy cave you can find to be there watching my backup quarterback Detroit lions lose more games right now. We needed this win. He needed this. This is all really from Detroit. Needed a winning is all he's got. That's what happened to the quarterback of steelers vague broken bones in back. Anyway you can go there and you could basically you know. Here's the guys I'm going to look for it. Hashtag was robbed. You're going to be using it. You know you're going to be using it because this is an absolute outrage that somehow once again and I don't know maybe I need to bring up like giant flash cards you just hold above my head during the battles people remember the things I say during the battle since obviously countered every single thing James said and he made data points about about being somehow slow as molasses. Hey if you hadn't co-signed the CLAUSTROPHOBIA. And the earth trap I was like uh-huh Earth Trap. Oh God but then you co-sign the whole well now. It just makes her mad and doesn't actually affect her as much like like you you Tori. We know Gerald wins debate for me. You know this has been a delight. Everybody let's go ahead and get out of here all right fine me posing a question of the day on twitter at GM's gase remember to join the official who had when facebook group to make suggestion for matchup for the show and it'd be part of our growing community the engineer who had when website at www dot who would win show dot com to access all of our podcast episodes as well as the sign up for official newsletter. You'll get access to giveaways future matchups. Every then what happens behind the scenes of the WHO would win show hopefully soon. We'll have some video of ray leaving the studio and just after horrible on behalf of myself race occasion the rest of the amazing who would win team Liam thank you once again for listening to another episode of Woodwind. We'll see you next time.

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7500 - Double Toasted Audio Review

Double Toasted

16:08 min | Last month

7500 - Double Toasted Audio Review

"Got A movie coming out. Smaller film when in Bloom House budgets? five million dollar picture. Call seventy. Five, hundred, seventy, five hundred. That's code for. Terrorism out. Of the flight. I did, too. I thought it was like the Wesley. Snipes Movie Flight Seventy The action movie. It's A. Pretty creative film what they do with their budget. This is the story where all takes place in the cockpit cockpit cockpit. And It's a flight to seems to be going normal. Everybody is set to go even those last minute. Passengers onboard man. They want to leave him to. Manny's assholes going having taken hold everything. Was the they hold everything hold area. They let him up, but On now because. What happens is terrorist attack. This Day and age where we think that. You know they've got everything under control. You know they scan. Everybody vetted everyone. Somehow some way they got through and got through with a plan to take the plane down. Again. Sounds like a big high octane action packed thriller up in the Sky, but is A. Snacks and there's no no Wesley Snipes no better on black and that. Actually very very not tell you what kind of movie it is in a little bit does turn for this is actually a couple of terms of this kind of film. Then takes place in a very small space. Over time. Does it work. Does the budget show start to show? The cheapness kind of brings it down. A little bit was going to take a look at the trailer for seventy five hundred and we'll be back with our review. Seem to know each other. We have a boy at home. Are you ready for boarding? Guys? Are we ready? Good Evening Ladies and gentlemen. You've gotten wish you a nice day and thank you for your trust. Sometimes. I was almost scared. This is going to give people ideas. Like. Damn, that's simple. Put. The seats. Surprised that. They started like birthday. Seven five zero zero cowboy. Several men attacked our cockpit. We stop them from now. The captain, his injury status of the crew I don't know. They have a hostage. They're gonNA. Kill the final. Stop Police? Can't open the door. These big. They told have guns. Nice. If you work together, you can beat them. Now as I said before. I'm looking at the trailing truck. They trying to fool. These people are here Martin. Looking I'm looking at this a look Bassett with during post production. Don't let this sky full. You right here. Don't let these effects fully they they do not go outside this plane. In fact, the green screen saying Fag, but this is my opinion. The green screen that's outside the actual plane. Don't even look as good as. Not Saying it's a bad thing a good thing I'm just saying people you are. Not I noticed it, but it didn't bother me. Yeah, no I didn't bother me, but I'm telling people don't look. Don't look as good as. And they do not go outside this plan. All of this takes place in the cockpit. You there's couple of terms for this first of all. It's a battlefield. That's the term I know. Yes, the bottle thing, but it's also under siege movie to okay yeah because. The whole time. That this is going on, you know there's people outside trying to get in. So does that work? Because what you have here is that you saw in the trailer like the these. Terrorists waiting for the moment to attack fortunately Joe Joseph. Gordon Levitt plays on the pilots right here. he the other pilots killed. He's left alone. And he has to keep that door locked. You can't learn about buy, but that doesn't stop them from trying to get in the whole time. Constantly beating on a door a kick, say hey, could you guys knock it off? Man In such underseas move. It's like it's like a Zombie film. Except that Zambia's a terrorist right here because the whole time, they just knocking, knocking knocking, not an. Innocent in the background the whole time the whole time. That's what kind of adds to the. Tends to the tension the whole time you just you just here in the beggar. Your goes off like most of the movie. There's big on the door and these terrorists are the Muslim terrorist, but I'm just kind of like fuck me. Muslim I need to be told a witness John Stop knocking man. All right here on. The watchtower! Thank you shit which is to watch seven. Yeah, tough stuff fucking knocking. But Yeah, man that does add a Lotta attention to this man and I. WanNa Notice about the movie. I'm GonNa Pass on you after this the movie. I think it's very effective in what it does is small space man I mean because if you create tension enough in a small space thing you're going to get CLAUSTROPHOBIA MHM in especially if you pile up elements within that very small space, sure sure that you're right that that's the thing about it. It's you know you go. Okay. It's a terrorist hijacking, but all these different elements that keep getting added to it. I mean one the the beating that's constantly happening the threat outside. That can escalate. Threat that's inside as well and how much time before you can land this plane. Yes, there's a and you already hurt. Yeah, no, it's it's. Made no doubt these these terrorists they want to. They want to do some drastic things at this plenary. I'll just say that, but it gets you at ease. You Win because I think it does a good job knowing the small space as working in. It's probably going to do something that's They don't play it right. You can only do so much and so they have to buy some time and they by time in a very. Very, creative way where I'm GonNa create an effective way where they they, they ease you into the the the the action, the EU into the tense moment because. Everything starts out as a you know very relaxed. Yeah, very Very. Natural Conversation in natural to the point where okay this is enough to get to know these characters, but not feeling like exposition is just talking and you're like. Okay, I kind of get a sense of their lives because talking about nothing. I'm saying that is a good thing talking about the work. Going to manuals talking to the the luggage low guy, you know like talking about nothing as people would. Yes, says you hate that when you watch a movie and they're talking about specific things that are going to play out later. It's like all right enough. Yeah, like the stewardess never comes through like. You Might WanNa. Be careful a certain guys up there all that kind of boost, even though the is one part where they try to. They try to throw you off. Try to try to some people looking all shady. When they get on Shit, get the fuck it. I. Cause ain't nobody could be that. Obviously, they're GONNA play yeah! But yeah man. You Know I. The once they do start the action ramp to Action Joseph. Gordon Joseph Joseph Gordon lebas character. They really on over this guy. This guy has and that's how they bring up. The tension to this guy has so much to work with the pilots dead. He's injured. There's another element in the room, not GonNa say what he's been another element in the room that he has to deal with in here has to deal with the shit going on outside. I mean a look. I just put it this way man. They don't go easel death in his movie. No, they don't, and they don't, and if is baffled us, they don't make it any easier on him. I know I know you just. Just feeling so sorry for him. You know you do because he like. This dude is in a spot, and it just keeps getting worse and. boy! He's really good in the Movie Man Oh. Yeah, all these people get that motherfucker who that guy is, but he pissing me off male, I know. That do was I didn I hate it that fucking car man. He was one of the knocking Yeah I'd Gab. The terrorists name, but one of the terrorists man. He's A. He's the one the ball when man that the one that looks like a goddamn craze. Jason stay in the mud. Dad Fuck Man. The everybody's convincing in this film, yeah! But, but you're right about Joseph. Gordon Levitt. Like the big attraction on top of everything, else attention, his performance you. Always. Consider him a a good or at least likable actor, but man. The kids got some chops. He's really he's really selling it. The anguish and everything is going through. And then another actor comes on to say like Yo. What about me? Are you talking about the kid the kid yeah? Yeah I gotTa Tell You man. This movie's going through three different phases and to me. They're all the all worked very well. You. Know this the moment where it starts out quiet. And, and I'm looking for a certain thing right here. It starts out quiet. It ramps up to to the to the real tension of the film. And then there's a moments where it slows down a little bit, and that's what you get into like these really heartfelt exchanges between Cardi especially, Joseph Joseph going Lebanon's kid. Yeah, wish I knew this guy look up his name I. I was looking it up before we started, but now I forgot let me see how look it up. Got It ray here. Kid Omid Omid Amar Oma that kid's name and yeah, it's. I. Mean He really goes through transformations. From being disguised kid to where you quite afraid of him whereas. I. Contain this kid latest leg, Shit! I don't know what this is going to do. He's he's predictable and terrifying. And you've and you look at me thing and I'll take this motherfucker, but then you keep forgetting that Joseph going let he's got practically one arm and sliced in the army, and he's kind of injured. And it gets crazy at that point. Yeah, yeah, he's A. He's like a Cornyn animal and. Yeah Man, and even his moments where it kind of slows down is still the it's funny how the move slows down. The tension still goes up a little bit. Because because. Have you seen how they? Feel about you know death killing people movie you don't. You've never relax for him? It's like yeah man. Saying when those those movies where you're the hero so I'm not worried about. Paulin is a terrorist that I hate the most. That gas freaked me the fuck out to. He looked like a one those craze zombies for like twenty eight days later he just. Open the door. Open the door. Could you stop saying that? Everything is from the cockpit and the Monitor on. That was a cool way of showing you. What's going on outside? As as a small film a really admire it. Of course a know probably has some Probably probably some faults in there that I that I could see and tell you about that. You might not agree on, but for me I thought that you know for some people, and this is not really for me. I think for some people. Being on the cockpit I mean yeah, that might not be for all audiences out there. You know something where there's just not a variety, a lot of a lot of variety in the in the locales I mean you might get claustrophobic watching this, you know. Also. I Tell, you the terrorist Muslim. And I you know some people may have a problem with that. He. Muslim terrorists again at the. We've got over this especially. When you consider that the terrorists, they are Muslims, but they speak German. From Turkey. Yeah, yeah, from from one speaks German like they're all from Turkey one so somebody in on the cast. WHO's half Turkish and yeah, you know I'm Jay. Leno Miami and I'm not saying we go some Hans. Gruber Shit like die hard and anything like that. I probably would have been cool-headed. Not Be Muslim terrorists and you know. Maybe that's why they were able to get past. Nobody really assume these people. You know I I. Think I kind of get tired of seeing the Muslim terrorist depiction. Myself did have a little bit of that when they revealed they were Muslim. But It didn't it didn't really overall effect how I felt about the film? Yeah affected me a little bit not to the point where I dislike the movie. odd because I. Did I did I liked the film? Said only the other thing that I have to say the extras on. They try to throw you off as As to that ain't one do look right to the copy. Looking at going on here, man like you laid it onto. But. Yeah Man In his I like at this was in a theater. I wouldn't take a rush out and see it but. If you did have a desire to if I. IF somebody asks me a four recommendation for something. That's a little different. You get tired of seeing the these these big action films and these big special effects films you WanNa pre something. If somebody's done effectively on a smaller budget, I would recommend this movie to you I give it A. Matinee! Yeah I. Tell You I put this on and I found myself glued to the screen I could not look away. Just just like you, said the the tension I was just like Shit. I was there and. I I. Don't have a problem with bottle films. I love him I even love that that movie wit that's that's nothing but Tom Hardy driving around in a car. And Great performances across the board Maybe if I had something to say like okay. Maybe a little bit more with the terrorists to kind of get where they're coming from a going just making them. Islam extremists. It's almost like making somebody Nazis have to show their point of. It all, but they did say. It was like a typical statistical line. Yeah, you throw it out there, you like. It, but it wasn't enough to really take now. I feel about the film the film is Super Short. It's it doesn't even cross the ninety minute mark I mean they could have if they. Pet it out the time that in there, but I appreciate the economy of time at that it gets ended. It says what it has to say and. Me Holding my breath for that hour and twenty minutes, and like you I'll give it a at. All right yeah, and the best thing about it. If it wasn't a theater. Yes Amazon. So you'll be able to check it out. Told have gone. They told Nice. If you work together. You can beat them.

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Tracy Letts, 'Ford v Ferrari'

Popcorn with Peter Travers

21:59 min | 8 months ago

Tracy Letts, 'Ford v Ferrari'

"Breath I everybody. I'm Peter Travers. This is popcorn where we tell you what's happening at the movies and there's a tremendously exciting. especially if you're a motor head and you WanNa see what goes on at a race. Ah called Ford. V Ferrari which pretty much sets up. What it is my guest today Tracy? That's I have no idea you act you right Pulitzer Prize winning plays you. Our television show's every time I turn around how you have time to do all these. Are you torn between all this. Did they have to grab you by the throat. And say you're going to play Henry Ford the second that that's James Mangled styles throw okay He yelled at me until I took the job. And I'm really glad I did. He's it's a great screen. Plays a great filmmaker had a great time. And I was going to say. But you don't get got to be racecar driver but you do get in the car. When one of the funniest scenes in the whole movie is when Matt Damon Carroll Shelby Characters as deuce use which is what the second was called right juiced? I love that even though he's the grandson the actual son and you get you go for the ride of your life and great time. It was Really because how did they. How did they shoot that? Give away some okay. I'm in a car young about one hundred miles thousand our readers. The truth of the matter I mean James Mangold was very good about putting actors in real circumstances as close as he could to get us to the point where we didn't have to manufacture a lot. We weren't acting against green screens or with tennis balls. Or you know we were. We were in real cars not risk the actors lives I. They say that should be done. Matt wasn't actually driving. That's the that's the key. They they had something called a biscuit which is kind of camera car that wheels us around around the tarmac. But yeah we get up speeds about one hundred miles per hour. It wasn't the speed. That was the scary part. It was the CLAUSTROPHOBIA. Those cars are not made for. We're big guys and I'm a big guy and To Wedge me in that car I couldn't extend my legs can open the door because the cameras there the roof the cars about six inches over your head. You're buckled in a minute period. Suit right shoulder. My Hair shellacked covered and make up. You can't like sit there for hours. This is a little scary. Yeah your discomfort shows but I would just acting. How many times did you have to do this quite a few though? I think yeah I didn't I wasn't aware of this when I saw the film but Jim tells me what you see is mainly the first take. That's often the case address. Come on the show and they said well David fincher made. Let me do this nine hundred times and I said take did they use say I won. Spontaneous right yeah. I've worked with William freed can a couple of times times and He's a wild man he is he only does one take a light has to fall into the shot him to do take to fall. uh-huh you're in. It keeps actors on their toes learn. Yeah but plying this guy playing this Titan of industry how how do you prep for that or is it just the inner titan in you tracy that makes this happen. I'm not a big research guy. I didn't feel there was a lot of research necessary. You to play Henry Ford So much description very well written so so much of it is on the page already You know you get a good haircut you get you. You got a suit that fits you look good in the suit until you're in the car right then. Everything is riding up all that kind of gets you ready to do the thing. But it's really it's really on the page you know. The truth is I get asked to do a lot of titans of industry and presidents and all those the man behind the desk I get asked to play a lot of those parts parts so you look for the thing that makes it a little bit special a little bit different and for me the idea that the whole basis of the story both our movie VI and the real life story was the reason they went to this race was because of Henry. Ford's insecurity got his feelings hurt by Enzo Ferrari and decided to go to Lemond and beat Enzo at his own game. And that's the reason this story even exist because Ferrari was winning all this and he had the fancy car yeah and had Ford was doing things on an assembly line right but to me. Maybe it's because I see too many movies and it's part of what it is. It's also about any industry right and and basically Henry Ford. The second is trying to buy the youth audience if tired of nobody young buyings cars right. It's Rory Are excited one of the great things about the story is that it's complicated. It's not black and white. I mean the movie has Ken Miles and Carroll Shelby as the underdogs but they also worked for the Ford Motor Company. Ford Motor Company's never been an underdog so there there's an interesting dichotomy there here between these guys who are mavericks testing the limits of these automobiles and putting their lives at risk working for this giant corporate structure with a lot of financial interests. You know it's a it's one of the interesting grey areas. This movie exists. You Watch basically league these guys that are racing these cars to make something work for somebody they can get killed in the doing of it. It's the thing I love about Ford versus Ferrari. It is a human story story. It's not about the cars. I'm not a car guy. I don't know anything about cars. We didn't even learn this. We were in Toronto. Nobody's cargo nobody working his Co. including circle who goes so deep into a lot of car guy not a car guy and Mangled not a car guy which I think is a good thing I think if the movie had been made by a car car guy he might have fetish is the cars or were focused more on the cars than on the human story and I think the human story behind Ford versus Ferrari of these these these guys thrown into this competition together Some of them unlikely partners Henry Ford with these guys And yet there's something about people coming together to make something that is. It's moving We we can identify with that with that idea of cooperation. Collaboration competition I mean cars lined up trying to beat each other other to the finish line. It it doesn't get more apparent competition doesn't just such a concrete way in which is to compete a race But I you know these guys. It's a story about their their friendship and their cooperation with each other. In order to make this happened it takes a lot of moving parts to make this thing happen to pull this off with a does and again. It's like the movie industry right or even the theater that's right takes. It's never one person. Yeah and I don't think I don't think he would admit it Mr Mangold but I think that analogy of making a film artists Working for corporate interests especially to to do something great Oh you do something of some size and scope I think that's something that Mr mangled absolutely identified with. I like how you're going him. Mr Mangold talk shows true respect for the guy. He's a great he's he is. I think he's moving to rush to think if I were working for him I I think sometimes helps doesn't it he. There's something about Mr Mangold. That is okay. We're sticking with something about about him. That's very inspiring I would I would go into battle for that man I really would he and hence buyers that that kind of camaraderie. I mean he yells he curses. He throws a fit. But it's something but it's not done of insecurity you can tell the difference. It's done because because he's passionate because he cares about the thing because he's excited he's trying to get it done. It's his way of communicating. And I I just I love him. We had a great time. I could see that yeah. Does he say things like more intimidating. Tracy how do you do that because it would be boring. I think to play somebody who is intimidating with bluster. But you don't do that not ever so. He has great authority. But it's never taken to that point where you're thinking. Oh this is just crazy. These guys crazy. Yeah he's sinister right times but wow well. That's part of the fun I mean if you're the guy in power you don't really have to do a lot right guys guys in power don't have to do a lot. They don't have to yell they don't have to you got someone else. Do sure sure they push a button behind the behind the scenes. You never know. That's the great thing about playing guys like that. I really enjoy that part. You know. It's like oh I'm perfectly comfortable in the seat of power at home. Is that the same name. Does your wife say okay. It doesn't work that way really all. I'm I'm the quiet. It guys sitting reading the newspaper and letting everybody else run the show. I'm so it's Cathartic and I suppose maybe it is. I don't know because you're married married to carry Kunas one of the best actresses around and you've even dared to work together which is tricky in marriage and life is so much better when she's calling all the shots really. Oh my God yes. It's fantastic. Oh Yeah I heard something. The first time we ever went at the grocery store together. I mean that's always a big thing so we go to the grocery store and I start unloading the groceries. And I'm doing it wrong. She tells me I'm doing it wrong. I went great great. How do you do grocery shopping? Yeah exactly right. It's like great. I'm done you do it from now on no never have to worry bud. uh-huh I never do that. Sounds like the guys way really does do it. She taught you that I love it. I love it but did you. Women should run everything. They should do everything they should run it. All but you two met when you were doing Virginia Wall. So that's that's an interesting thing to do to there. You are the star. Who Wins the Tony Award? That should have given you a degree of authority and power. But it didn't no no. I'm I'm glad these are great. I heard something and then I'll get off of this about your actual wedding ceremony. Yeah what can you talk of that a little bit. We were married in a hostile. We were GONNA go to the courthouse and we had one day left on our on our Illinois marriage licensed she'd just come back from L. A.. And the night before we were gonNA go get married. I said I'm not feeling well and Mound up in the emergency room long story short. I had my gallbladder bladder removed so carry went and found the chaplain in the hospital who had never performed a a wedding service before or normally she's there for sadder more sombre events and she came to our hospital room and she performed the ceremony? We were WED in the hospital. I was does take charge. Large absolute. She found this person to do she was she was wearing my T. shirt and I was in a hospital gown in the bed On a lot of drugs I was very right drugged up from from the surgery. I don't remember very little about our wedding ceremony. The rights to that movie. I just think it would be great league right to get married a hospital. I would recommend it. I think many people won't leap to that he could do. They actually have to have gall bladder surgery. The Nice thing about it or you city were yellow. And I'll looking completely out. Yes I was the nice thing about it is that the rest of the world is shut out. And it's really just you in that situation I'll tell. Hey there's nobody we know who's had a big wedding has told us we did it wrong much cheaper head to big. Yeah Wow wow well in that when I was seeing I should say this four that at the same time for Ferrari's stories out you have another show in New York Windows Vista played. The you wrote couple of years previously to that it played in this. But it's a play about white white dude's yeah now somewhat around about a white dude. Yeah well there's a couple of others but you know this Guy Wheeler is the special one. Yeah and when you leave your feeling about White Dude's as this guy is divorced or in the midst of it. And he's he has a lot of opinions. Yeah Rio head favorite yeah. None of those movies are good anymore. Rhino and yet charming. He can talk people into bed he can do anything. Yeah but he's got. How much of this guys you not much really even though you created him? Yeah not much I mean you know. He borrows rose from like I say he borrows for me. Borrows from friends of mine. Divorced two kids Career Frustrations Nations Money Troubles You know he has some things in common with some people I know but I you know it's not a it's not a takedown down and it's not a meathead defense. It's always in that middle. That's my hope that he's a real guy he's into real guy but some people in the theater afterwards were cursing him out sure tremendous lo he inspires some sympathy but he also inspires a lot of antipathy. A lot of people don't like him or come not to like him. It's kind of a challenging thing. He starts off as our curmudgeonly protagonist but over the course of the thing he really kind of becomes the antagonised in his own story. Don Yourself rooting against him. And then maybe he tries to win back your sympathies. A little bit as as an audience member it walks a fine line. It inspires arguments. Which I'm very happy with? That's it nobody leaves thinking. I understand this completely. Yeah there there comes a point in the play where people are very invested in the outcome and yet yet they want to see perhaps different outcomes and as a playwright. That's something I absolutely strive for where people are very invested in the story that they're leaning forward. They want to see what happens happens next. But their their viewpoint about it changes depending on who they are it becomes a kind of Rohrschack test for the audience like that. How did this begin for you this year? In Oklahoma right you're born there. Yeah what kind of but you. Now when those of us who live in New York think of Oklahoma we go Oklahoma right we. This is what we think and of course not how anybody grows up right in quite that way but when did you decide. You know what I'm GonNa do. I was GONNA take my thoughts and is GonNa put them down on paper. Might my folks were both English teachers. They were both creative people. really smart people They taught at a small university in a small town in southeastern Oklahoma. where I grew up and I think they really hoped that I would get the hell out I. They really did hope for that. And they. So they encouraged creative endeavor they encouraged writing. And then when I got bit by the theater bug the encouraged acting. I have a brother WHO's musician position. They they encouraged all of that They wanted us to have interesting. Lives and The life of an artist is an interesting life. So that's really where it it all comes from but making it happen isn't that easy not easy at all not easy for anybody When I was I spent a couple of years in Dallas? Allison when I was twenty years old I floated up to Chicago and Fell in love with the theater scene in Chicago and have lived there ever since. Who why are you? What kind of guy? Where were you then? I don't know A healed you know I got I got got sober at twenty eight I. I haven't been shy about talking about my sobriety So yeah I had some wild years Bit of a depressive not a bit compressive of pretty major depressive hard-working though even even then working hard try to improve my craft. Chicago theater is a is a is a great And very rigorous atmosphere for artists Still is now how it was then it was before I got there It's because people are really focused on the work. They're not focused on. There's not a star system there right. You'RE NOT GONNA make making money in Chicago. So people are really focused on the work audiences in Chicago. Embrace new work they want to see new plays they will venture out to see. Are these people. I want them to come and move Chicago cardinals so we can go find them. As are you staying there aggressive because of that feeling but what happened to. You doesn't happen to a lot of people. Yes you can be an actor you can write plays. You can make a living but you're not going going to become more Henry Deuce not going to be that but when you have a success leg August dosage counting what happens that touch puts you on some other level. What happens to that head? Yeah I don't know unexpected success and and late success I mean I. I didn't have a credit card till I was forty forty-three years old. You know so kind of late in life or later in life than we sometimes think about these things happening but I mean fantastic and unexpected and fun and and because I was forty three had some perspective about all of that Enjoyed it but did necessarily think. Oh this is this is the new way this you know. I mean as soon as I soon as August was open and running I went back to work on my next play as like. That's that's the thing to do. Just keep working now. Are you as a critic of you as an as an actor you know I liked the film and TV stuff. I don't I watch it. Watch it once because especially because I'm curious about the work of the other people I've been working with but I can't be objective about myself when I see it so I watch it and I go. Oh that's that's what we did that. I'm done what to watch for the longest time working on homeland. I because I had not worked a lot on camera. I was just really focused on the other act curtain. You're right there and I just WanNa play the scene with you and I don't care and it took a while L. before I started to get okay with the idea that there was a camera in the room. It's okay there's a camera here. You know it takes a while as a theatre actor you you. You don't have that it's not. They're not poking sometimes the cameras. Big Tiny we're blaming the audiences. They're watching play. The scene with the camera is different. Different things so it takes a while to get used to the. Oh it's all right that that cameras recording what we're doing in fact I liked it. It's here so you're brave and fearless. Now Oh God come on. Don't don't put those words. I'm not putting any care but the fact is that since this is the first time you've been on the shell you. You don't know that we always end in a little bit of the guest giving us a little bit of song and I know that there's a song in your heart. I know that there's something that drives you every day and that there's something you're whistling from Oklahoma and I'm sure you can do the whole score because what you've done for Oklahoma. What are you looking for here and eater anything? That's actually you WanNa give you anything you WanNa hear me site. I do even if it's the tiniest morsel some. I'm not a singer I know that. But that's the those are the best are all scared. I just I said that. You fear Bruce King everyone is show. We're the ones who get shy. But I probably Sunday to show. Everybody does there's no nobody's over. Meryl Streep will would can't but he did anyway and there's great heart in it in the corner of my I I saw you in Rudy's you were very high. You were high. It was a crying disgrace. They saw your face. You've just been holding out on me. The whole time through tortured in very earnhardt Ford task and that was really. Yeah did tracy great to talk to.

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Friday 10/25/19 - Haunted House Owner Part II

Chicago Dog Walk

13:39 min | 10 months ago

Friday 10/25/19 - Haunted House Owner Part II

"I on Friday October Twenty Fifth Chicago Dog Walk Listening yesterday you heard Parwan this is part two with Kyle and John from Zombie Army productions they produce Hell's gate and states haunted prison so yeah let's just operated apart to go listen apart one if you didn't get to it all right let's roll him at how often how like communist shooting or you know like pissing their pants title afterwards to Kyle John Zombie army production take so much for comedy as for today everybody will cut you next time doesn't have enough money for a ticket for herself but I really WanNa go in and then they'd tag along and I've walked through the entire haunted house and pretend like I was getting scared the whole time and then good what's what's something that used to fly back in the day that you can't do anymore like like coffins claustrophobia things like is that like no go for the the problem that was one of my first jobs I'd go up and John would use me to go up to like a nice young family or other famous now go up and say my mommy young children like Kyle used to be they can't control themselves and they violently attack us it was a gag that works so well yeah that was that was bad so by can't happen you know Mama Bear's syndrome really what happens is these people that are protecting classroom John would set me up and have this killer climb with a chainsaw rip me from this mother and her family and pulled me into the haunted house while we call it planting roll thing that has grown out of Halloween I mean this is a very American thing these haunted houses I love the idea that it goes hand in hand with fall and and scary movies yeah you can do a real production around and why you know why do I think there's something really great about this kind of American culture you know people who think that they're tough guys watching someone in a costume it happens but we have a rule we will not touch customers man we are there to scare you there to entertain we are not there to violate you Gotcha and if you found out that there was like a is this possible to do year round here like have you ever thought about that the entire show I got these nine year old little children working for me then the people get even even more violent than they go after the nine year old I got it actress got pissed on money though yeah that's what she was sitting down and we have a rule don't sit down if she didn't Saddam and she would never been within pissing news regular like that the kids all get like badges of honour when they piss but pooping I don't understand it never appeaing aim near the top yeah no it's unfortunate that we've had people come out on stretchers of course that goes to the yeah no I mean we of course we'll take it you know sometimes it happens unruly guests or cowards I guess and get your money back but nobody ever can find house we get your money back house gate you can actually win your money back if you find the key to help get your ticket is free how many people do that for the most part they don't exist for the most part old wives tales it's one of the reasons why Hells Gate you can actually win your money back because there's all these stories of one hundred housing healthy happy he's a very happy dog obviously dogs go nuts when you take the food out but there's something special about the farmer's dog the woman hunting down kill so the Momma bear and we can't hire eight nine year olds anymore there's frowned upon yeah there you go out for cleanup and is literally just shitty drawers laying don't take off your pants though unwind they won't clean themselves they'll just leave their shitty boxers the child labor laws what do you think about the haunted houses that give the money back when they're done with the admissions yeah so yea Puke Piss Pew so what's what's the power rankings what happens the muscle is the most racist his throw up second throw up a second over ship hospital Honda Wisconsin Bells you ever been up there yeah they do one like that as I mean they've got those little thrill closets I call them now I don't think so the shitty paintings in the middle of the floor Kenny Kenny he keys right here counting Kenny honey he's a shit cleaner it's a hard job but somebody's gotTa do it honorable job coming out in the end the leaves are dying blowing around like it's something really great about that it's very Americana and then to spread it out all year long you may as well go back to the shoe store in the mall can you smell that ad does that it smells like food you'd put on your own plate it's that good it's delicious looks delicious out of the bag but it's got nothing to do with Halloween haunted houses it is a man making his own snuff films at your expense and if you dig that cool we would get beat up by middle aged women that thought they were productive young kid when it was just a plant and then when they find out that the kid is a plan and he was in we get a certain amount of time to find the key interest and it's like it's like a game within the show so quick break here let's talk about the farmer's dog Carlos here Carl how are you not breathing you know you just stop breathing you pass out go down heart attack guy to do and how did they how the deal was getting hit getting talked how do you deal yeah you're right drunks that come in and they knew true the drunks wanted if you forget to breathe that's a real common thing when people are in the haunted house I'm good at how are you good how Scotty puppy doing more importantly Scotty Pumpkin that comes gotti puppy I don't know man how Scotty pump and doing more importantly he's eating the farmers on he's strong I tried all sorts of bounds and they got the boop Boop boop he's in Tennessee now fighting with the city and Tennessee for a while too her healthier pet food making it as simple as possible to give your dog a better diet start your trial today by going to the farmer's dog dot com slash walk and he'll say fifty percent and get free shipping I got nothing to do with what we do at haunted houses it is it is an abduction scenario and if you're into abduction scenarios cool then that's for you you've been working all day maybe your dog daycare do the right thing for your dog when it's time to figure does how I feel about it because I do feel we're busy were out in the roads and stuff like that and then we come home and it's like yeah that's I mean it is I guess you respect the seasons John the Christmas I'm you knows for you know the trees and the Summers Fares in house what are your thoughts on McKay manner like that type of style that is crazy it's not haunted house doesn't say it for for years it's not haunted house it's an completely different no it is a man like holding your face underwater or making you eat dog food or spitting on you it's crazy he was going to go to southern Illinois did you know freshman veggies wondering what's your dog's food right right it's like Thanksgiving dinner for the dog ask Scotty and opened the door and he just jumps goes absolutely bananas it's good you've been out the farmer's dog dot com slash walk fifty percent off your trial with free shipping the farmer's dog dot com slash walk Carl thanks for coming in here real quick let's hop back into the man I feel like that's that's a staple right yeah it's classic it's a much everyone's like oh turn soldier and everyone else also John I want to take care of Scotty yeah for their customer services amazing you can text email whatever and anytime they'll pay you with PAT expert who can help you so yeah the farmer's dog is a smart night about three hundred nine key and it just gonNA random room key rooms you know where to look you know there's a time on it aw great work I'm not going to rip off your work. Zombie army productions believes in original work otherwise what's the fun and I think Dallas is day one it's always been original in your opinion though if you who is the best who's the strongest character for a haunted house of those guys I mean for Oh Jeez horror icons he made him talk and they were Funny Freddy Kruger Fonte Ye Agrarian Liners and and that was new into that whole genre so like a Freddy Kruger and haunted house could not only get that good pop scare but they can talk to you and work with and interact with you I mean Michael Jason There is a web series that follows us around it's reality show follows ambiente me around all year long from one kyle and I are doing our original designs to go into the trade show Jill Threat for sure we've got to make a movie without Robert Englund highlights is getting to direct Robert England like feel like a little kid that's around the country to training are actors building our sets and then producing the show and seeing that's the fun part right we're all the audience members are screaming and running for their lives I'm kind of expects it chainsaw if you don't have I mean people get thank you Texas chainsaw massacre changed the horror world with one little yeah but it has no business in the haunted house world it doesn't it doesn't look reflect that we discussed it does pretty sure it's not a haunted house horror films can he is Michael Myers can you guys do that illegal. Don't do that no we don't WanNa do that yeah that's somebody else's idea that somebody else's creation that somebody else's art galaxy short documentary and I was backed off like crazy I don't know are there can you ever have enough fake chainsaws the real yes if we can't create our own monsters create our own scary things that go bump in the night I mean that's that's the fun thing and we're storytellers coming up news stories for sure I'd rather play the APP then throw a bunch of Jason's Freddie's I mean everyone has seen that yeah we're friends with all the real Jason Freddie so it's kind of weird if we were knocking them off spill hp four hundred prisons then there is at days of the living dead for the web series also at the Zombie Army for a company as a whole be big and slow I mean that's all you got but Freddie man you can tell you work on that that's

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How To Stop Panic Attacks, Anxiety, And Claustrophobia For Good  Tom Bunn (Ep. 230)

Elite Man Podcast

46:32 min | 1 year ago

How To Stop Panic Attacks, Anxiety, And Claustrophobia For Good Tom Bunn (Ep. 230)

"You're listening to the most captivating podcast and i tunes that's right elite man podcast where we turn average men into elite man every day we interview the very best experts from the lifestyle health fitness social and even entrepreneurial world and what their help me give some of the best advice on the planet subscribe now if you haven't already in enjoy the show and oh yeah if you really enjoy it leave us a review on today's episode episode number two hundred and thirty in titled how to stop panic attacks anxiety in claustrophobia for good i chat with tom bond tom bond is they licensed therapists author regular contributor to psychology today and former u s air force captain flutie air force's first supersonic jet fighter in today's so tom talks about his incredibly effective method for lowering anxiety stopping panic attacks and getting over the fear of claustrophobic places tom shares his unique perspective as a former air force pilot and later as an airline pilot who is able to help countless passengers just fly without fear and how we developed a very effective approach conquering your fears is well if you're wondering how the huge remind the get past anxiety and panic attack and roof any bit of claustrophobia you may have checked this episode out now you're going to love love it have you checked out early man you to channel yet if not get on it right now go elite man magazine dot com slash you to start watching are fantastic videos we cover everything from dating health business fitness confidence mindset social skills everything thing that you need to know to be a twenty first century elite man we've got you covered we have a new video coming out every monday and friday i'm telling you this is the number one place to get your elite man fix and the number one place to grow as a man these videos will absolutely change her life entertain you at the same time i'm telling you check these videos that right now i have so much fun putting them together i know you're going to absolutely love them elite man magazine dot com slash you to make sure you check it out right now and subscribe to our channel to get more of these fantastic videos in get notified instant we release a new video elite man magazine dot com slash you two are guys were alive and justin central from elite man magazine dot com and my guest today is tom bond from panic free dot net tom thanks so much coming on the podcast man so if you just to yeah i really appreciate it a what is it what is it exactly that you do 'cause i wanna talk about your book in a couple of moments 'cause it's fascinating we covered this subject a actually quite frequently on the podcast anxiety panic attacks even claustrophobia phobia we've touched on a few times in the past i wanna dive into new book panic free which is just a fascinating book but what is it exactly that you do right now tom well i i for years i've been working with people who are afraid of flying initially is is a pilot i figured it just need to know how say flying is i would be okay but there's a lot of psychology involve people don't necessarily like it when they have no control as a passenger and no escape 'em it same thing in elevators baiters you don't control it sometimes it stops and you can't get out so it turns out that that's the main problem we have to deal with a lot of places it costs us panic and it took a quite a while to find a way to stop panic and flight but once we found it a were able to stop it in at least eighty percent of the cases of people i was working west and then a couple of years ago i realized the cbd is the main therapy used for panic on the ground and it wasn't doing a very good job only seventeen percent of the people who were treated with sub cbt become panic free we were doing eighty percent there so thinking wait a minute something's wrong here i so i figured i would take the same method was working so beautifully endear very challenging situation and apply it to be on the ground which is much less challenging cool so you are able retired an airline pilot did you have military experience before that yeah i i flew in air force of flu death one hundred if one oh five and then went to pan am in later to united airlines in did you ever struggle with something like like panic attacks or even anxiety yourself or claustrophobia of course while you were flying or before that period which allowed you to them be eight pilot in actually be the one in charge of a slimy aircraft did you ever have any experience just south of anxiety well no not really a four years when people would ask you did you ever have a panic attack and i'd say no but when i look back at it i remember when i first so load in the air force i was flying around around getting ready to come back to landy airplane and suddenly had this feeling wait a minute you don't know how to land the plane my instructors been telling me that first several flights before you sent me up and i had this feeling like geez you know but i didn't have any option i had to go ahead lead it anyway so i was kind of a panic attack in a way but the thing was i had the push through it anyway so oh that's the closest thing i could tell you to it yeah and i know just when i was a kid i i had some years around flying a lot and then the more i did it my mother actually was aisha stewardess flight attendant so she actually back in the day to i don't think so much anymore but they used to give out like huge discount so we'd go all over the place we gotta you know the dominican republic porter rico all kinds of islands and i think antigua is one of a bit like a bunch of cool islands like every once in a while and we stay there for a few days and it was really cool but the more i did it the more i flew the less i had fear and anxiety surrounding that but i know it is a huge fear for so many people you mentioned a minute ago when people actually realize how safe flying is that could help as well how safe in terms of statistics i'm sure you're familiar with that like how safe compared to like driving cars and so many other things out there is actually flying yeah this guy at mit who puts out statistics every year of updating things you know i i think the easiest way the understand it is that in the major usa airlines we haven't had a crash since two thousand one a and let me just go back to the the you know like until she used to work for pan am i went to japan i have in nineteen sixty five and there wasn't a year into u s when we didn't have a major usa airline have a crash in fact fan i'm usually had its own band in the late seventies we had a whole year win no you ask cario had a had a job at a crash and i thought wow this is amazing now we've had seventeen years so we're doing great but that doesn't necessarily stop panic because you see when you're in a situation where you're not in control you could sort of mentioning something going wrong in your imagination kind of take over and you believe that something's going wrong and if you believe that you're in danger then you have no escape best when panic sets so what are some of these techniques that you talk about in the book and and by the way i wanna delve into claustrophobia phobia on an elevator because even now i've learned how to get over my fears of of elevators and things like that in in claustrophobic space is actually did hyperbaric oxygen therapy a bunch of sessions and that before which is pretty claustrophobic for most people but even now like if i get an elevator i still feel a little funny like i don't like them i'm curious myself the dive into that in a few moments and see what you've done in the process of getting over that but like the actual claustrophobia people who get in elevators in of course airplanes but but diving more into these techniques that you talk about in the book first what are some of the ways that actually work as you mentioned cbt cognitive behavioral therapy is actually incredibly ineffective effective for these types of things what are some of the things actually work what we're dealing with is our emotional control system in we have two parts of it one part reza one part comes down and you could think of your car you accelerator pedal you push and it won't go faster you want a slowdown you hit the brakes now the revving up system that one works fine even at birth as you know any brand new baby scream bloody murder so that when the stock that one's no problem but what we wanna do if that was causing if you're getting too much arousal too much revving up one thing we can do is link on a memory of a time when you produce the hormone called oxytocin listen to the situation the cost is panic the thing is the oxytocin when we produce it it makes it impossible to produce stress hormones shuts down the fear system then you might think well wait a minute this is this the sphere system is protecting us so why would nature set up a way for it to be so easily shutdown is for reproduction reproductions also important in addition to survival so for example what am i the nurses the child it takes quite a while what if halfway halfway through she started thinking gee i got i think i need to do let's stop nursing and do those things so nature protects the child's need for nourishment by all the time she's nursing all the time the mothers nursing she produces oxytocin oxytocin can't produce the stress hormones it would make her feel like she's got to do that other stuff she could have the thought that she needs to do other things but it doesn't get any power behind it there's a second thing that oxytocin toasting does in addition to shutting the fear system down it causes bonding so we could use a situation where it caused bonding for you in link that moment to the situation that's challenging here's one when you pick up a newborn child i'll oxytocin is produced to make you feel protective of the child and here's a fun one sexual orgasm men get a blast of oxytocin you know what happens we get very relaxed and are we fall asleep and are partners get annoyed that us but they might i'd get annoyed if they understood what nature is trying to do here here just like the newborn blast of oxytocin make you feel protected with the newborn here oxytocin is trying to get the guy i feel bonded to the female so he's gonna stick around in case there's a child it develops from this activity with females though oxytocin is more likely to be produced in good sexual foreplay and there's a couple of other situations if you have a dog if you're interact with their dog oxytocin is produced here the dog is looking at you kind of like four play like you're the only person in the world i'm totally devoted to you and then i'll also and extended tug maybe twenty thirty seconds to produce oxytocin so technique wise you could pick any one of these or more than one of these then you go to the situation the causes you're panic let's say it's a anymore right so the first step in getting them or eyes you gotta call up and get a reservation so what do we do we imagine you have a photograph to make it a little bit easier to deal with small black and white snapshot so it doesn't so you know it's a canned situation that's something you really gonna do so he just looking at a photograph of someone making a phone call to get a book an appointment for them ri and you mentioned it that's being held let's say if you're a guy you're thinking about sexual a after glow is the moment the link to so you're lovers holding that picture by their face or if it's a holding a baby a as you hold the baby someone has a picture of calling them all right by their anyway you get the point we're gonna link what ever you gonna be facing the challenging situation to a time when you because of what you were doing shutdown day ability to produce stressor much so then you go the next up getting your car to go to the place where you're gonna get the m r i u link that up to the oxytocin producing memory and you continue checking in going to placed there to change into a robe going into the room where the machine is lying down machine starts putting you a putting this mobile bit into the a scanner in first year ten percent of the way through the twenty percent then thirty percent of so and so linkup every step all the way in and out of the machine until you're back home the oxytocin production so what happens is as you having done those links as you do that procedure you keep getting this oxytocin production keeps the fear system shutdown so that's the gas but we block it say so when you talk about linking are you talking about thinking of the memory a good memory where he produced oxytocin in the past say a sexual experience are you thinking of that in these different moments and you're creating the link in those moments are are you doing most of this linking up beforehand and actually visualizing all these things happening it's all of the preparation okay because you see you want to do the preparation a head of time establishing these links and you when you establish these links they go into a part of the brain called unconscious procedural memory you might say what's that well these days when you drive a car you're gonna have a conversation at the same time you're driving wasn't always that way there was a time when it was challenging but having driven quite a bit now you could have a conversation with someone at the same time you're driving who's doing the driving here that's your unconscious procedural memory kind of your mental autopilot so we want to mental auto pilot to be taking care of you when you go into the m ri situation because when you get stressed sometimes and you're not able to do this stuff that you think you should do to take care of you so we want a door completely automatically cool so unconscious procedural memory sounds like subconscious memories same type of thing on a wild yeah it's it's in the sub cortex which is a part of the brain that's not available to conscious awareness 'em and it's it's it's the kind of it's the kind of part of the brain that people used to work in an emergency room under life and death situations or firefighters are policeman who do high stress things because when you get really stressed s you can't think clearly so how do you perform you'd you perform based on your training so the chinese gotta be repetitious let's say for certain problem in you are you've got eight procedure for that and for a different problem you've got a different procedure you practice it hands on so when you read that actual situation you're unconscious kicks in and takes care of it for you if i think about driving a car sometimes you know you get the concentration of about something other than driving having you go ride by rex it so you're unconscious proceeds from memory can do what it's trying to do but it doesn't make decisions doesn't say hey wait a minute you're supposed to get off the sex it it just keeps doing what you've been trying to do is there a way to mimic environment like say i'm trying to think of obviously if you had you couldn't have like an elevator in your home or an airplane but is there some other type of way the simulator type of environment that you're gonna be in or maybe actually just go and sit on an airplane you know for takes off in before like people are getting on if you could somehow do that like actually sit in the place that you're gonna be and then go through it that way well i think you're headed toward desensitization you know when you do something i'd get used to it then theoretical it doesn't a produce stress hormones if you've gotten used to it of the reason we couldn't use that width flying is because they do the best kind of desensitization is you don't just jump in sink or swim you do what's called systematic desensitization you start at a very low exposure in slightly increase it slightly slightly so you don't notice the increases until finally you could be exposed to the full blast and it doesn't bother but the problem with flying is either flying and you're not so you can't do this adjustment so desensitization is it's impossible to use her fly now there's some things did yeah you might be able to use some desensitization for some of these things on the ground but you don't have to oh you just go to just use a photograph of the situation linkage to you're lovers face or the baby's face dog's face and that will prevent the release of stress ramones when you're actually in the situation do you so wouldn't you used a photograph are you looking at a photograph of saying airplane and then when you say linking it you're visualizing whatever good thing you want a link it to do you have also a photograph of that no i would say the the what you just do is you remember let's say you're a member of a sexual afterglow moment and you just bring it to mind then you just add one thing that's certainly didn't happen you just imagine you're lovers holding a picture of a a let's say the door the plane being closed at the planes taking off the plane cruising around turbulence alantic city one linkup all these things it could be a problem to you're lovers face other the other thing we do know we talked about shutting down the gas pedal shutting down the release of stress romo's by using oxytocin linking it up so they do we keep producing it throughout these challenging experience the other thing is the brake pedal now that part we all we all born with the with the brake pedal is called the parents sympathetic nervous system but we don't have the software to make it operate own our own their software built in the less us respond to a mother other or another caregivers face that causes the software that we're born with less says a b calmed by the quality of a of a certain voice or by touch so oh what a baby gets upset what happens intuitively the caregiver usually mom talks to the baby baby doesn't understand those words but the quality of the mom's voice says the fact the mom's face hasn't effect is coming to see those solved loving eyes attentive but touch being held rocked touched on stroked caressed those things activate the comics system so you know what's gonna happen the child is gonna need this for a month two months three months maybe even eighteen months until finally about eighteen months the child is in a position to possibly develop software that lets the child activate what the mothers his face voice in touch activates how wins the child is upset and expects the mom to come and take care and calm her child imagines the mom's face imagines did in a moment she'll be here i'll see her out hear her voice she's gonna hold me she's gonna love the way it feels which he touches me and what happens is this vivid imagination of mom taking care of you takes care of you so when mom gets there you're okay so now you're starting to build in the software the let you take care of yourself so after this happens a few times the this you don't you don't you don't consciously know that you took these steps to calm yourself but these steps to get built in so when you get upset you automatically calmed down it's kind of like a cell phone when you're cell phone rings makes a lot of noise to get your attention but as soon as you answer it it stops ringing so that you can have a conversation so what we need from the paris sympathetic nervous system is windy a mega below the part of the brain their release stress hormones when it sees something they could be a problem could be a danger could be a threat it gets your attention with stress hormones for a moment you feel alarmed now people who have panic they don't have the soft where the left some calmed down they stay alarm for a minute two minutes until the stress hormones burn up but most people have the software that as soon as they feel they alarm ends in and say oh yeah something's going on they call they have this face voice in touch of the mom which unconsciously they've totally forgotten but they've that's what's doing it but they have this face voice in touch built in unconscious procedural memory that calms them unless the shift from being alarmed just curious wonder what's going on which is a great help because you could much better figure what you need to do about a situation if you're a calm and if you're really in the state of panic nick today's episode is sponsored by my friends over at simple habit the creators of one of the coolest and most effective meditation apps i've ever used you guys know i love meditation i talk about on the podcast all the time i bring on guests who she had different meditation practice ed ed using tried so many different meditations myself every day in fact i meditate because well i just love it that much i've tried dozens and dozens of apps mp threes in different programs in the past but i've gotta say simple habit is right at the top of the list for 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the meditation space the thirty percent off their premium subscription go to simple habit dot com slash elite right now and get started but make sure you go right now is this offer will be gone soon end limited to the first fifty elite man listeners who act fast that simple habit dot com slash elite yeah when you say this is unclear the unconscious procedural memories built in of that touch from a infancy from from being born to about eighteen months people you're saying all people have that in number most people anyways that don't have panic problems they have that rt wired inside and that software well yes and no you see we've got the software we are for faces voice isn't touch if they're benign commas this is something that was discovered by a neuroscientist stephen porches any stumbled on it actually you is researching something else and he found that the people had hooked up to his equipment when they would see a friend walk by their heart rate would go down there breathing rate would go down and they'd get very relaxed it was the signals that becoming unconsciously from their friends face voice in touch so what what we now know is that sweat activates the comics system so we go back and say well that's what happens with the first few months of life but sixty percent of us have someone respond to his consistently enough that we in southern serendipitous lee developed this the software for simply being revved up tacoma's well let me get let me say here's what here's what you're listeners could do develop this automatic calming for the next few days first of all they think let me ask you do you do you have a friend who sometimes when you with that person you feel you're guard lifestyle yeah definitely okay so what happens when you feel you're guard let down a nerve called the vegas nerve just got stimulated totally unconsciously by signals coming from your friends face voice in touch that you have nothing to fear from them they're not a threat to you physically they're not a threat to even psychologically because they just accept you but not judging you in any way when you get those signals that you just totally relax so what a life you're listeners to do is to see if they can recall being with the person who would they felt that guard let down if they don't remember that specifically just think of the person that when you're with them you feel like you don't need to be on guard at all you feel like it could be totally yourself you don't have to worry about what you say you're totally accepted now for the next few days you wanna train your mind you wanna trained you're unconscious procedural memory to automatically communist so every time you get income everytime you get some stress hormones anytime you feel a blast of anxiety or larmer alertness hits you before you do anything imagine that your friend just walked into the room says hello to you comes sovan gives you a hug so you see what we're doing we're saying everytime you get revved up calm yourself by intentionally bringing in those three things at activate the comics system the face the voice of the touch of a person who's completely safe to be worth after a few days you'll do it doesn't it two times it'll become software works every time you start to get upset you automatically get calmed down really interesting what is this method called where did you discover what is it actually called well i it's based on the esa way are program the program i do with a fearful flyers 'em that's where i discovered this stumbled on it because initially i was trying to cbt to to try to help people deal with panic on the planet just did not work tried to use breathing exercises that did not work so one of the i was not the only person trying to find a way the stop panic on the planes there was another therapists who came something called thought stopping jerry lynn ross she came up with the idea of put a rubber band on your wrist everytime you think and anxiety producing thought snap it costs just self to paint that linnea but the thought over a few repetitions then i thought yeah okay that's makes sense but yeah i really don't like that self inflicted paying idea what about what about we just trained a person to redirect their thoughts from anxiety producing thoughts something that's positive thought maybe some big deal that you've done in your life winning a championship getting an ace in tennis over somebody who's a really good competitor or a well i tell you i had a client who ran the new york marathon and so i said to her i'm gonna give you a hand signal when i do i want you to go step step step and take himself is fully she can't backtra running the marathon so i'd say okay you're playing stacks up give it the signal she got the marathon you're planes taking off give the signal and so so we went through the whole flight moment by moment of what happens when every flight you know what happens we took all those things and linked it suicide came to mind forget about it go to the marathon she did okay but what happened at whereas stumbled on this a woman said i'm gonna link redirecting flying thoughts to memory of nursing my child my thought was you gotta be kidding you're gonna get on the plane and thinking never gonna see your child again but i didn't see it fortunately she she called back a week later 'perfect light and i thought well that's strange but that was it until it happened again and again and then finally said look something is going on here for some reason when when a person with a mother links flying to nursing her child it always works these other things were hit or miss this always works and not only that it works better than these other things and people were linking to so turns out that was about the time that it had been discovered the mother nurses a child she produces oxytocin hey and be oxytocin shuts down the fear system so what we were doing it was a thought redirection at all it as linking flying to nursing which producers oxytocin and so it was the link between nursing oxytocin producing experience and takeoff and landing and cruise and tour but it's a song it was those links it as the flight took place but things have happened on the plane triggered the memory unconsciously of nursing produce the oxytocin kept if you're a system shutdown is there any particular ones aside from they'll linking of nurturing taking care of a child that are like some of the most powerful ones you mentioned a few other ones like the sexual experience some of the other one is there any other ones like that that are like almost as good as the nurturing of a child i'll know well from what we know they won that produces the most oxytocin is nursing a child the big expert on this is sue carter she says when you produce oxytocin naturally you'd probably gonna produce enough to keep your fear system shut down for about half an hour but we just using a memory so i shoot for five minutes and it probably there's none of the other things will produce as much oxytocin nursing but a they produce enough to do the job okay and so when you when you say you're you're trying to produce it for like five minutes when you go back when you're doing this beforehand when you jump on a say a six hour flight from boston austin to el layer something maybe maybe longer that are like seven or eight hours when you jump on a long flight like that in you go through these moments save only done it for a half an hour beforehand and you were going through like a couple pull the stats in you maybe missed a step parts you are you like screwed during the middle of that flight if he missed something well i wouldn't the guarantee a person who's gonna do the job for them if they do this exercise just one time a you know if you gonna study of foreign language you're probably gonna put the words together in your mind and half a dozen times to make the stick you know beer joe visa right so it takes a while but not very long but once you set these associations up they're gonna work for you and you know what i thought you might be going to say that's a long flight how do you keep getting and every five minutes yeah well yeah i was gonna get yeah so but but so let's look at it let's say you walk on the plane you sit down at the seat a hookup you're seatbelt these things you can link to door closes the plane pushes back incheon start taxi out take off noise abatement after take off the labs come up you climb for about twenty minutes then you start cruising now here's the tricky part cruise because nothing's happening okay here's the way you work around that when you get on the plane is you're taxing out to is you got time to do this look at that tray table in front of you it's rectangular it's flat kind of like you're flat screen tv right so take that image which let's let's say it's the image in your mind of looking at your lover after making love and you put that face there on the tray table you projected from your mind on the tray table now what you wanna do is make it part of the trade type sunita hold it there what maybe half a minute so now that person is part of the tray table that that scene sexual afterglow scene is there okay once you've got it there then during the flight once in a while as you look around the tray tables gonna come in view how could it not it's right in front of you may be too close in most lights right so you're gonna see that tray table and when you do it's gonna jog your memory enough to connect with the sexual afterglow that you seeing that you put there to produce some oxytocin to keep us supplied drink crews say just continually think of that image over and over again and no well no you only need to do it when you're taxing out for maybe half a minute but then after that you just happened just wonder if you happen to look up and see the tray table okay so you don't have intentionally do anything see what we're looking for is to make it possible for person through the preparation to get on the plane and fly just like everybody else does you don't have to do anything on the plane similarly once you've done the preparation for them ri although you probably what will think it's not gonna work you go there getting to the more i situation and you go through it it's a in fact i just got an email from someone who said he didn't think it's gonna work and it was a breeze and the same thing is true with elevators a high places of bridges tunnels we just take the situation we break it down into a number of steps in and if you break it it you'd least wanna get oxytocin 735 but it's but if you could break it down at the more pieces smaller pieces that's fine to anyone link each one of those pieces to do things a moment that produces oxytocin we talked about those nursing a child holding a newborn sexual afterglow good sexual chemistry and foreplay interacting with a pet the getting along hug aunt you wanna link it to the other thing the thing that instead of shutting down the release of stress hormones overrides effective stress hormones through the face the voice he's the touch of a person who activate shore comics system yeah this is it's very simple the technique is very simple but it seems like it it's very effective in it reminds me to very much of an lp in some of the work of the doctor richard bandler yeah it's it's there's no peas uses up anchoring which connects things a through usually through touch when you you might up i spent a year setting in el paso sure yeah you could free example if you want a person they have a sequence of things to come to mind you used the first one nakal in talk about that first thing you want them to remember and then the next thing of the sequence the next not coming in so until to you then you in touch with alkalis in sequence in that sequence risk through their mind sure you could do that and there may be some ways that we could using l p to a to accomplish this but this one is really attached very basically to they activity so you don't have to depend on anything artificial yeah there's no there's no real anchors and things like that you you know you have to bring along are like think about all the time it's just kind of just like one thing after another also reminds me two of the memory technique of linking palace and if you've ever heard of that in no i don't know that one i think it was harry lorraine in shoot a basketball player jerry something whatever like the seventies they came out with this the memory book i believe it's called and it's basically like you walk into your home or like they consider it a palace and you have like different pieces of furniture different objects and things that you own in you link out like these different like say you wonder remember the president's like in in order you like go through and you visualize all the different articles and objects in your home in a cash that link it to like a present and you're just like you go right down or 'cause you know all the things are in your home right down and like link each president or whatever like the age where it's like you just went down in in remember and in that way it's kinda cool yeah i've i've heard some people who do the nightclub backs where they bring a dozen people flip on stage and then they say what's her name what's her name and then they just more by each one is says says their name yeah i i've been i've i've been told at what they do is they as they is the person says their name they imagined writing good name on their forehead for head in magic marker and then when they look at the person's face they see the name britain they're up but in any case the links however you this it's hey look link suggest pavlovian psychology it's over a hundred years old it's just dissociation so that's what we're doing we're setting it up to a sushi eight the troublesome situation where if oxytocin production will shut down the fear system lincoln troublesome situation width of memory marie that override stress hormones and calms you and then the third thing not just lincoln the situation but i think i mentioned you're you're listening to link it to arousal itself so the arousal will trigger calming yeah this is it seems really really effective and you said up the eighty percent of people actually there's a success rate of eighty percent so what is this about yeah that well well that's that's what we were doing with the airplane the way we do the course which is people do a few hours of video and then i do half hour counseling system a session with him and even with that relatively short of course we were writing about eighty percent stopping panic but if somebody still having trouble with it we and do a little more work and i think we could bring it up to a hundred percent with flying but i mean just the ordinary way we do it brings it up to eighty so the ordinary way a person would read the book i think they're gonna get at least eighty percent and if they need some more help with that then i could work with him personally what but i'm sure it could fix it in in any case because we just haven't run across a situation where i haven't been able to fix it and years that's incredible man that really is incredible now is basically gonna say what is it with a twenty percent that can't seem to figure it out after that point it just seems like they need a little more work a little more practice to really get those links individualization downright yeah well sometimes it's a person's says okay i'm gonna link to lying on the beach because i'm really peaceful when i'm lying on the beach that's comforting said wait a minute that's not gonna work the reason you're comfortable on the beach is this and i think that bother you what we wanna do is to make you the something that will help you feel okay if there is something the body or they will say well i can't think of a person in my life where i felt my guard let down and then they say okay well can you think of a person who's just easy going in you know oftentimes people will say well okay my wife and i say look i'm married to i don't think that's gonna work so how about just an ordinary friend just ordinary person they're often looking for a special person and special people usually a kind of judgmental they have high standards but then they might be judgmental mental so just looking for a person who's probably pretty easy to overlook take for granted you you're not searching for somebody special in china rick really brainstorm it it's just someone that's close to you someone that can elicit those feelings and emotions right yeah end in a year reminding me that a a just a few months ago at the university of arizona interesting research they had a hundred and two people i'm assuming they were students who they put through this research program to test of what could help a person calm down in a stressful situation 'em the stressful situation what was it put in your foot one foot into two inches of thirty eight degree water doesn't sound terrible but to people dropped out of experiment couldn't handle it okay so while you're footsie in the water they would have you hooked up to equipment the measure heart rate and breathing right in a lot of stress in measurements of stress and they try three different interventions the first intervention they tried was win your foot in the water that's stressor think about what you did today in other words distract yourself from thinking about the water okay so they check out those people did the second group now by the way i did i tell you i don't think i told you all of these people were in romantic relationships committed relationships so the second group they said windier fits in the water think about your girlfriend or boyfriend whatever so they measured their results the third group hey they actually had the romantic partner physically present now you could you could expect that group would do pretty well and they did the thing that was amazing was the people who simply thought about their romantic partner did just as well all that is in cranberry surprising yeah that is awesome but let's just say that's what we using were using a memory of being with another person to give you the common you need an elevator in a bridge tunnel high space where if it is panic sure it just goes to show you how powerful the mind mind is and how incredible i mean i've i've talked about this to recently in the last few podcast episodes and some of the work of doctor joe dispenser and bruce lipton and you know some of these guys they're just proven over and over again that the power of the mind visualization the subconscious mind it can be as real and tangible is actually doing things in real life like they they've done studies where people like visualize playing the piano and then they go and they could actually play as good as someone who's been practicing for like the same amount of time for like a few months and just different things like that where it's like you just don't believe it's even possible for some of these things it'd be true and then you find out that the science is actually proving more and more of that what you're saying and what some of these other guys saying is you know it's been true all along yeah yeah we've been trained the mind amazingly they usually will say you were saying that i was thinking about you're talking about how could you see people get on the airplane and visualize the plane is falling out of the sky they could that pretty well to the same thing with the placebo and the no siebel affecting you just kinda remind me of that were you know doctor gives you a diagnosis and says you're gonna be dead and six months and nine nine percent of the time person's dead because they buy into that fact it they're gonna die whereas if the doctor says you know you have a great turnaround would do this this and this the chances chances are actually like thirty three percent of the time the placebo effect will actually work where someone's given nothing a sugar pill nick and actually reverse whatever sickness illness they have double butter tom i mean this has been an incredible interview man is there any last sendoff take away message you'd like to leave elite man audience and then of course a place that listeners checkout you're new book panic free well yeah i like to point out that it's not just about panic it's also about claustrophobia because if we could shut down distress romo's distress where most what gives you the feeling you need to get the heck out of someplace no stress hormones no urge to escape dose claustrophobia 'em in any case the website where the book is is a panic free dot net or you could just go to amazon on or barnes and noble in search therefore panic for you'll find a book there is also an audio book and kendall type a a book shaken is in its not expensive at all you know ten fifteen bucks a week and fix you know this is you know i i just get so annoyed when i think about how people are trying everything they try to deal with panic in in in in suffering from it they think nothing will work it yes this will work because what we're doing is we're tapping into the way the we're wired up and just changing a little bit the way we're wired up to keep from getting stress hormones in these situations and activate the comics situation a system in these situations awesome i love at tom thank you again for coming on man really do appreciate you time and i know guys are gonna love this one so take care i'll talk to you soon thanks justin hey you follow me on instagram yet if not you are completely psychotic but you do have a chance to redeem yourself go to instagram right now and follow at justin stems from that's j u s t i n s t e n s t r o m that's right that's that's my first and last name end when you follow me you'll get data day updates on book recommendations biohacking tools elite man no how in all the 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Episode 406: Body Double (1984)

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Episode 406: Body Double (1984)

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We're discussing Brian depalma's nineteen eighty four film body, double the film's stars Craig Watson as Scully and actor in a low budget vampire film, he experiences a terrifying bout of claustrophobia while trying perform a scene he leaves the set which has been closed down for week and starts the pound the pavement looking for gig in the Trump while making the rounds he meets fellow after Sam butchered played beg. Gregg, Henry, SAM's going out of town and does a favor for his new pal by sending him at a lavish house with an incredible view a woman who performs a ritual of self pleasure across the way. But of course, things aren't always what they seem. Now, we're going to be getting to spoilers big time in this episode. So if you haven't watched this movie before you have been warned so Bill when was the first time you saw body double. What did you think? I think the first time I saw it was probably in the early nineties. It would have been on VHS. I would have seen dressed to kill. And that would have made me curious a checkout more, Brian depalma thrillers. I think I expected something in that ballpark like a more explicit take on the classic Hitchcock thrillers. And I remember thinking it was a lot weirder. And more over the top than I was expecting. I'd seen other stylish eighties thrillers. Like blood simple body, heat blue velvet, maybe that would be surprised surprised how like eighties. It was like the music and fashion like it didn't feel like it was designed to be as timeless as maybe some of the earlier diploma thrillers. Like obsession that felt a little bit more almost self-consciously classy like this felt like a different animal than what I was expecting. And I might have thought that that was something of a flaw at that time because I used to be a little bit were tough on elements that took me out of a movie and this would have been when the eighties. We're only just have it having ended a few years. Ago. So I probably was a little bit taken aback by Frankie goes to Hollywood showing up and whatnot. But over the years, maybe having seen all diplomas of the films and just rewatching it a lot over the years. It's it's become one of my favorites easily. His how about you, Jim? I was pretty late to this movie prior to seeing this in my mid twenties. I was a big fan of depalma's seventies stuff sisters in particular as well as carry and fed by the paradise. I also liked to lot. So. I don't think I had seen dressed to kill. I've always been kind of a a big Scarface hater having having grown up in in Miami, Florida. I think I think Pacino's accent is just over the top to the point of being offensive and for for like almost three hours of running time. I just kind of find that mostly insufferable wins big game. Stony. My phone. He was from United States when I saw this probably towards the end of the 'oughts. I really did not know what to make of it. I had been gifted of EHS copy of it as a white elephant and the person who gave it to me just thought it was completely silly. And so I just gave it a shot one night, and I tended to agree. I thought it was basically the most absurd fill my head ever seen in my, you know, fairly short, but voluminous film viewing life, and I still kind of kind of stand by that. I saw this one on cable probably mid to late eighties. This one came out before probably sought or like eighty six eighty seven some around there. It was really the golden age of erotic thrillers. And I don't know where this fits into the whole pantheon of erotic thrill. But seeing stuff on late night cable when your teenager stuff like this stuff like Ken, Russell's crimes of passion. You could find more twisted sexuality on TV. If you were looking for. But this really scratched an issue that I had and the over the top nece in everything, and I'm seeing this movie before I'm seeing the movies that inspired it. I'm seeing this maybe round the same time. I'm watching rear window. But I'm definitely seeing before vertigo I'm seeing before a lot of other Hitchcock things. So for me, this is the genuine article, and I don't really know that it's playing on other themes until much later like watching vertigo in college in saying, oh, this is just like body double backwards. But that's okay. But yeah, I absolutely love this film. And it is one that has stuck with me for years. And when people talk about depalma, I know a lot of people go back to dress to kill that was a huge movie for him. And then yes Scarface right around the same time was also very big movie for him. I didn't come to dress to kill until I was in college. And I was just like, okay. Yeah. This doesn't really do it for me. Scarface never really did it for me. I mean, I've talked on the show before about movies like blow out phantom of the paradise that to me is prime to Palma and body. Double is right up there with those movies as far as style and having something to say playing with the medium, and you can dismiss this as being just a kind of a style exercise. But I think there's a lot more going on which I which is one of the reasons why chose it to be an episode is because there is so much to uncover here. And it is such a fun kind of mash up of all. Of these Hitchcock things with a great Brian depalma twist to it. So most his his most postmodern film in that in that sort of mesh up pastiche sorta pre Terentiyev kind of way like in some ways like it's trolling of his critics and trolling the NPA trolling of feminist protesters. Like, it's it's definitely got a a mischievous quality to it. But it's also like a great excuse to show off Los Angeles like outside of obsession, all of his more Hitchcock in films prior to this Philadelphia and New York stories, and this feels like a really good excuse to go to interesting locations, whether it be places like till of the pup like that hotdog stand or the chemistry your house or the rodeo collection. Like, it's a film that's excited to express a story through locations, like we're gonna be talking about theme and character in the film, but you know, with with diploma, I think a lot of the time, you know, he's conceiving in terms of strong. Imagery and set pieces more than than strong characters or dialogue. And so it feels like a film that's very much in love with all of the places that it's going to take you visually in terms of where things are set. And just so people know we are going to be talking a lot about rear window. Maybe a little bit of dial m for murder, definitely vertigo. So if you aren't familiar with those movies, definitely check those out, maybe even before you listen to this episode because we're going to be named checking those like crazy, even when it comes to the very beginning of the film because in vertigo, you get the opening where you see why Jimmy Stewart has vertigo, and when it comes to the opening a body double we start with Jake having this moment of claustrophobia, and that is his alma n't much like Jimmy Stewart had vertigo and vertigo, but claustrophobia in this movie, and we don't we kinda find out why he has it a little bit later on. But we don't actually see it. It's not like. A moment that we get. We don't have Craig Watson stuck in a space. Like, we have Jimmy Stewart dangling from the roof at the beginning of vertigo, and we never really see the rescue or anything. We get him in an enclosed space in this coffin. It's got a cut away to the side of it. So it's not even like it's completely enclosed in. I guess is because the cameras so close to him that he feels like he's cut up, but we don't really get anything that's going on inside of Jake's brain. So it's kind of a mystery to us what's happening here. And we don't necessarily get that salt for us. As we go along yet Stephanou tely, something that seems a lot less consistent and more shoehorned into the narrative, and then Stewart's vertigo jumping ahead just a little bit. Like, I feel like there's a, you know, the the scene where he's he's in that long corridor, which doesn't feel claustrophobic at all compared to you know, the other the other binds he finds himself in sort of trigger that. It's not necessarily tacked on. But we don't get it as much no surprised reading the screenplay some of the moments that happen inside of this movie. We don't actually get in the screenplay like him in a to me, very familiar situation. I hate crowds. And I hate being kind of hemmed in by people so him in that elevator doesn't have a reaction as early in the script. But he does have it in the movie in that's one of those moments where we're like, oh, yeah. He's got claustrophobia. And it's good that they keep reminding us of that. Because otherwise, honestly we forget because it's just not that much to it. It's not like it really adds those many things it's more. I think that his more. How should I say debilitating ailment is his voyeurism? And that's what the Gregg Henry character plays upon and he just kind of uses the cost or phobias kind of a a little bit of gravy on that situation. When we talk about the Watson character. He's I think it's meant to be like an emasculated character. That's that's what the Gregg Henry like it would he's picking up on is not just him Hicks explained the claustrophobia in that actor's workshop, but you know, admitting to you know, his his girlfriend cheating on him. And he maybe even picking up a little bit on the drinking problem that is kind of really kind of disregarded at a certain point than area. That's only kinda hinted at the beginning. He's that weakest most vulnerable person for the for the job that he needs an actor for there's more of them together in the original script of them auditioning together, and and wasn't character being a weaker actors. Well, him using that to bond that we, you know, we still get that that quality in the in the final film, though is, but it's it's it's done a different way as far as denting how to manipulate the character. I think one of the reasons why this movie stands out so much for me is that. I love movies about making movies, and I love movies that play with the conventions of movies, and this movie is right there in this movie. Even the title card is over a backdrop, and then the backdrop eventually moves, and we learned that it is backdrop that were not looking out into the vista. And I like that even the credits are playing with his idea of doubles, which if anybody's ever listened to the show before they know how much I love talking about doubling by having the two different funds that kind of more like it's more like a rocky horror type of fought. And then just a standard served font. In the way, that we go from one to the other kind of wipes away from one to the other. So we're already playing with those things and then to your point Bill as far as this emasculation of creek Watson's character his character as a vampire is not the most Butch vampire that ever seen. In fact, looking at him and then looking at Holly body, the Melanie Griffith character later on in the film. They almost have the same hairstyle. And then he's got more. I'm makeup and makeup in general than I've I see any woman in this film, wearing I wonder if that doubling was intentionally have to assume that maybe it was I was always thinking of the lost boys. The first time I saw this. But this would have been before that as far as that kind of glam Goth vampire, the eighties and image before that one of my favorite diplomas is blow out in that again plays with movies and behind the scenes and movie making and the beginning of that movie starts off like we are watching another film, and it's the slasher film, and this one we start with a vampire film, and then we eventually learn that it's not a real movie in both blow out and then as well as this. You know, that we're not watching a film. We are watching someone shooting a film, and it's nice that these are both very low budget movies. In fact, it seems like Jack Terry from blowout could have been working on this movie if it was being shot in philadel-. But instead it's in LA, and we have Dennis FRANZ coming back again who was also in blowout. And his kind of a regular actor for diploma playing the director here very much, a direct comment on depalma, even wearing the same jacket and everything that the Palme likes to wear. I really appreciate that. They use the low budget nece also is kind of a little bit of a punchline both blowout and body. Double strung distinction between the films like the low budget schlock that people work on in those environments. But then the film that you're watching is much the location is that this is this is like a real story. This isn't like the cheap stuff that our heroes are working on a little bit. I don't want to say snobby certainly blow out seems to be a little bit like judgmental in a funny way about slasher conventions, and this is certainly not anymore. Flattering about what vampire's kiss is going to wind up being. But I always wonder how much Dennis FRANZ. Is behavior is muddled on diploma? Obviously, the look is. But I wonder how much of his actually business is based on things. He's observed acting for diploma will according to some of those decorated trees on the indicator is it sounds like he was just like, yeah. I'll be in this. If I can be you, and I do love that this movie is called fan Pires kiss, which will see again in a few years with Nick cage in another fantastic film. I have to say that as one of my favorite, Nick cage performances. Somebody miss fun. Something can be easier. Betting pool. All right. C g. Yeah. Yeah. It's maybe the the second most absurd film. I've I've seen seconda body double if we talking about things that changed from the script that we've read to the final film a lot of times the ideas are replaced by more visually interesting variations in one of the things in this scene that we're talking about. Now, it's the the line like we've lost the son and in the script. It's it's like indicated like he doesn't maybe they're losing the light. But in the film, it's a it's a fake Sunday goes up in flames. Like, there's a fire that shuts down the chute, but I love I love the the line like we've lost the sun. Anyway, because you know, it's like we're losing the light would be standard movie, set terminology. But here it's like a fake, son. That's just caught on fire. And that's why they have to close down. Well, they make it better in the movie that the give it a little bit more time. It's this whole thing of we're going to shut down for a week because we. We have fire on the set. And then that motivates Wassen to go out because he's on a break. And then eventually he finds out that he's been fired from the film, and I love that. It's his own agent who tells him that he's been fired and the agent also made the commission off the guy who he then got hired onto that role. There's that little bit of a break in. It's not just the next day kind of thing because almost would have been too much to have him lose his job. Go home, find his girl sleeping with somebody else. And just be one two punch kind of thing. Whereas this is a little bit better that the give him a little bit more time and then pull the rug out from under him as far as in. You've been fired from this film to love that Barbara Crampton is his wife, and I love or his girlfriend. I think it is the whole reveal of her and the way that we set up this kind of the tracking shot. It's I guess it's not really tracking. It looks like it's a steady. Cam a steady camp, yo v of him going through the hallways and then coming back to him and then him opening up the door and seeing her on top of this guy who we never see the guy at all. And that look the look on her face is probably one of the most interesting things in this movie for me because you can read that look so many different ways. And I'm curious how you guys took that look on her face. I took it as disappointment. And I was wondering if this maybe even a little bit irritated to in the script. She has lines. And it's kind of like, Honey, wait kind of moment. But in the final film, it's it is played more ambiguous Lee. Right. And I was wondering if this moment inspired a similar one where William H Macy walks in on his wife on top of guy in boogie nights. Which is another, of course, L LA porn set film. But I always thought that she was just irritated to be maybe a little bit. Maybe a little. Sorry for him to. Yeah. No. I definitely. Think about that that scene with Nina Hartley in boogie nights. When I see it now, especially because I had seen boogie nights. Prior to seeing this. In regards to the look on her face. I do feel like it's this sort of this initial disappointment followed by this. Well, you're kind of complicit in this to for being who you are. Which is what we've observed in what we will observe is kind of a loser. I mean, even the the long steady Cam lead up to him discovering her in bed is just this kind of an extension of that. Because he he thinks it's heat. I think he's the only one that doesn't realize what's going on like we as the viewer. I think no right away. The dog knows he looks at the dog. He shook as the dog. But then like ultimately the joke's on him. And it's almost it seems like it's almost his fault for that twenty mention losers. I don't know if you noticed his tattoo in vampire's kiss has born to lose. I don't know if that's meant to be a clue. Do as to what's going to happen to him. I love the oral joke in this scene. Where houses burned by Viva beep is playing in the background and ends the scene on the line. Like, oh you walked in on somebody. And later the song is something. He's washing again in it comments on the action again because the next line is the house is burning. But there's no one home. Like, it's reminding him of that moment that he's had in his his former home, which is just neat little musical joke. I like that we get a little bit of a clue as to what kind of person Jake Scully is too. When he gets to his house. He looks in to his own house through his window. And that's the first instance that I think we get of him peeping. So it's nice that even with his own houses looking in his own window, which is kind of a weird little moment for him to have. And I should've mentioned when he is leaving the vampire's kiss set. We get the first of many really bad looking process shots. And I think it's. Bad on purpose. Kind of reminds me of those bad process shots from something like Marnie, whereas him just driving and the background looked so completely fake and the sun on him looked so completely like a, you know, just a spotlight on stage. But with something like this. I think it is really done on purpose and showing us the artifice of film, even though this isn't something, quote, unquote, low budget like vampires kiss that we're still going to be playing with this kind of different filmmaking tricks and stuff, and we know right from the get-go that there are these things that are going to be employed. I think that it's definitely meant to vote the kind of process shots that Hitchcock would use. I mean, I don't think I agree with you reminded me of money also one last thing about Barbara Crampton sane in the script. He's hearing her moans. And he thinks that she like maybe something has happened that maybe maybe she's been injured because he so unfamiliar with her moans of. Pleasure that he mistakes it for an injury. Like, she's been robbed or something which is ironic because comes later, but the fact that it's changed to laughter changes the meaning of that scene, but it would have been even more damning of his abilities as a lover for him not to recognize the sound of his own girlfriends moans to further add to that. I forgot to mention that one of the things that sticks out to me prior to him going home as he goes, he goes in drives of his stand and picks up these hot dogs for him and his girlfriend, and there's there are these two actors. There's a a guy feeding a woman a hot dog at this hotdog stand. Not to mention just the way they shoot the facade of this hot dog stand. It's it's literally this this sausage stuck in between these like to round buns, which is such a funny depalma, trademarks Lee. Z sort of foreshadowing that I've come to enjoy in his in his stuff yet. I don't know if it's more like an anal thing, or I should put in this parlance. I don't know if it's more Greek or more Russian almost looks like a penis between two breasts the way that it's formed there he out with some like mustard running down the the middle which is so vivid at to look at because I was mistaking this hotdog stand for the same one. That's in Mulholland Drive, which I thought would have been a nice touch. But that one I think is pinks and this one is tailed the pup, and I looked on yelp. And looks like a tail the pup is no longer in business. So if you're going to go out to LA and do a body double site tour, do not expect to eat lunch at tale the pup. I think that it's in storage that last I heard, but yeah, it's you can also see in the George Benson video for give me the night. Nice, pamela. Anderson works there in the pilot episode of VIP. She did a few things it was like a famous landmark for what it used to be in business in the late forties. So I think diploma would have known. It was a landmark of the period. But yeah, no. It's hilarious visual joke as well. Perfect for him. We NS another bit of that love letter to LA that this movie is let's another great place to use as a visual clue as to where you're at in the city, you know, just talking recently about Pulp Fiction, and that movie really depends on locations, and knowing where you're at in Los Angeles, this one it plays with that this whole idea of the building that we're gonna talk a little bit of where Jake ends up looks out at a completely different area of Los Angeles and diploma kind of Mary's these two very disparate places together. But it's nice that it's just this kind of weird make believe version of Los Angeles, which kind of plays again into. To the way that movies are made. And I did want to say, I know that vertigo is really, you know, it's that is San Francisco movie, but the place that Jake ends up spending the night, the bartender. He goes in and talks to the his bartender that place so reminds me of the place where Jimmy Stewart sees Madeline go and sees her car, and everything I was very surprised that it wasn't the same place. But I swear that it looks like it was designed by the same designer it does feel like they they scouted or at least. Yeah. That that was intentional to some degree because I had the same reaction. I looked it up after I saw that you had said that in the notes before we recorded. It's actually the Hollywood tower. I think Humphrey Bogart used to live there. And I don't know what that hotel is in San Francisco or apartment buildings where. Madelynn stays in. In vertigo. But yeah, I now want to go back and do a side by side. I'm probably absolutely wrong. And they don't look anything like each other. But I was just reminded of the one to the other and right around this time when Jake goes out and is looking for new work. This is also where we're introduced to the sample art characters played by Gregg Henry, and he is ever present. At each one of these interviews that Jake goes on we see Sam. And I love the way that his ears perk up at different points. Like when he hears that Jake needs a place to stay. He turns around and immediately ingratiated ingratiates himself into this conversation. And there are other moments where he will just be there and put himself into the conversation. And I really appreciate the role that Gregg Henry place in this. And this is an interesting role for this guy because he's playing essentially three different characters in this one particular film. So there are going. Be times where we're talking about this. And we'll say like, you know, the rebel character the inning character the butchered character, but they're all played by Gregg Henry, and I love that he can manipulate Jake. So well that he is right there. And it seems like he's kind of trying out other actors in the meantime in the background like when he's talking to these other people if feels like he is talking to them, maybe feeling them out. But then it seems like Jake is custom fit to be this perfect. Patsy yet almost like a this is an unintentional doubling of of depalma's in that in that Gregg Henry is a better actor as Sam butchered. But I would also argue that he's a better actor in this movie than Craig Craig Watson is an interesting actor. He has such a hangdog look to him. And he is he really is perfect. For this role as this kind of sad sack guy who we've mentioned before his very ineffectual. He's feminized at times. He's just a. Yeah. He's he is not a very good actor he ends up freaking out in this acting class. I mean, there's just a lot of moments were just like, wow, this guy really doesn't work. Very well. But I think Craig Watson was the perfect choice for him. He supposed to be a loser. He's supposed to be like a weak character. I think that. Yeah. It's great casting. I mean, it's hard to really judge it because maybe he's not as if someone like Travolta was casting it like another movie star that he'd worked before we we'd be sensing that there's a character choice that he's making. But because Craig Watson never really had a lot of parts after this. I mean, you'd he did work for a little while he's no longer. I think he's no longer acting. But you know. We don't have that same maybe familiarity with him as some of the other leads that diploma would have worked with. I mean, I think I think prior to this wasn't what a best known for go story or ram for friends Arthur Penn movie, like not not big movies. This was really his last shot at at a major breakthrough and he didn't really achieve it. So, but it, but that works for the character knowing that he's gonna fail it becoming a big movie star makes his story as a struggling actor that much more kind of moving. I think I've seen him in nightmare on elm street. Three dream warriors as well. And it's almost you know, sort of a. Identical blank canvas kind of performance. I'd I'd say. That one has a body double gag doesn't it because he gets thrown integrate at one point. I didn't I did not make that connection. The interview with him on the indicator. Blue right was hilarious. Because basically is saying what you guys were just saying like the interviewer asks him like didn't you expect to become more popular from four friends or go story or any of these others? Yeah. I thought that would be the big break. But that wasn't it. And know this other one wasn't it. And it's just like. Yeah. Embody double isn't going to be either. And I don't think it's has fault in any of these cases. He does a great job. But he just I don't know something about him. Just isn't that compelling to me at the same time body double has lived onto the degree that it's had multiple re releases. I mean, we're we're talking about it. It's it's got a big cult following to this day. Like, he does have at least one film that stays in the conversation, maybe more so than really anything else. He's been in other than maybe dream warriors. I mean, there's maybe people continue to joke that he looks like Bill Maher that might be, you know, his the punchline the body double guy looks like Bill Maher. But. Still got one film that is still in the conversation, which is more than a lot of actors in this film. I do that in the script. There's a little bit more to samba chard in that he has a cast on his hand. And that to me, it's always one of these things where somebody has their hand broken or the arm broken. It. Oh, seems to kind of indicate a little bit of a, and I know that this is a weird thing to say but watching watching enough Star Wars films over the years when you see someone get their hand cut off their hands. Abled it's usually slim sort of castration metaphor so him having his hand into cast a little bit like, you know, oh, I'm more on your level, Jake because I'm also disabled, but it's yet another bit of a layer for him to say like, this is the San butchered character he has this bit of set dressing. And then when he is the rebel character. He's got the hat, and then when he's the Indian character, he's got the hat and the glasses and this and that and the. Other thing the whole makeup thing going on they eliminated that. But that's it's really, okay. But it also kind of helped when it came to the introduction. And I can't remember who pointed out, but in the script there's a bit of a thing where when he goes to shake Jake's hand, he gets black on Jake's hand because he had been trying to he'd been performing fellow. So it's like, okay, we're already getting that idea that he can put on these other roles and can put put himself into completely other races in the film. They're trying out for like traveling Shakespeare Company, but the in the script, it's specifically authentic. Oh, and they're both trying for the role of L. I guess that whole notion of San butchered committing to black face interpretation of the role for the tryout such an odd strange choice. I would have played it that have been retained. But it does foreshadow his willingness to play non white characters, which I guess would be the part. Of the film that has maybe age the weirdest. You know, the his his portrayal of the quote, unquote, the Indian I think that's maybe the part that people find the most difficult to talk about. Now, it was the eighties. We were all dressing up like Indians, I won a contest at a party still post a picture of that. And I think you'll be all right. I do love that shot of Jake when he set the one I guess it's on audition, and it's completely wordless. And he's sitting there at the end of table with this nervous look on his face. And then the cut to what he's looking at. And it's just this room of people all staring at him. I mean, I think the Palmer does a pretty good job of really showing the kind of horrible things that actors have to go through and just the the idea of all the pressures that are on Jake at this point while he's waiting for. I never noticed until this week. When we watching it that there's another actor who looks a lot like Jeff Daniels more so than Bill Maher waiting right next to him wearing an identical outfit. It so with another double. But it's you know, it's it's someone that looks just like a better looking version of him in the same outfit trying for the part like it's another, you know, cruel reality of being a struggling actors. There's always going to be someone. That's just like a better version of you waiting to take that role, and we should talk about his close. Closer so distinct almost always wearing a light colored shirt with that Brown almost looks like as a professor type of blazer that he's got going on the jeans sneakers, and he wears that through so much of this movie's almost you know, it's very distinctive. There are moments where he ends up changing his wardrobe to great effect because we see him in this one type of outfit so much through the majority of this that when he changes into the sweater in the glasses when he's the nerdy. Character will talk about and then when he slips back hair and puts on more the leather jacket that that changes his appearance greatly to more so than you would think that it might. But having seen. In him constantly at his costume. It really does make an effective switch once he moves out of it for me. I get I sort of get so sick of his his normal outfit. That by the time. He plays this this douchebag, porn producer. I'm almost grateful. And I hate buy-sell for it that I prefer his this look to, you know, the look we've been stuck with for, you know, an hour or so and we've made mention of the scene with the acting coach where we get this revelation of why Jake has claustrophobia, and it's this whole idea of him playing this game with this tool. Their brothers called sardine where he's he's squished in behind the refrigerator. And apparently that came right out of depalma. That was his thing that he played that in his he's got the two older brothers that he always gonna looked up to but also didn't necessarily like all that much. So that is interesting that Jake. Such a one to one relationship with our director. And especially, you know, we know having talked about home movies before on the show and stuff that he had been a spy. He would spy on his dad and learn about his dad's affair and all this kind of stuff. So the whole idea of voyeurism really plays into that too. And I mean, what is a filmmaker really? But like the ultimate voyeur or setting up all of these things for him to look at and then for us the audience to then also be voyeurs looking at as well. But it's neat that we know now that the palm of was in that situation. I don't think he had claustrophobia because because of it, but that he could give that back story to Jake Scully was kind of a nice touch the voyeurism thing. I mean crops up in greetings. Hi, mom, sisters dressed to kill. I mean, so many of the diploma film steel with that theme that whole sardine acting exercise sequence is in the script that we read either. I mean, that's that's definitely case where he brought. Personal story. And it's you don't think of him as as pers personal filmmaker in that way, like as far as bringing up a lot of his own autobiographical elements. So it's surprising nicer price to see that he's bringing his own life into something. So stylized, I think it's interesting to for a movie that is so quintessentially depaul mine. Terms of the voyeurism and all the Hitchcock, Ian, tropes and his formalist devices that work for completely missing split screen in this movie. Like, not one split-screen was there a diameter shot in this. It feels like there might have been there. I think there are a few Diop's, but no no legitimate split screen. I would've how much the like the massaging of the shoulders, and the whole director is therapist kind of thing. You know, the you must act tough love kind of directional accounts of that is meant to be parodying directors or were not I was thinking about like how so much of this. Is his own intending to comment on direction and performance in a post modern way like how much of that is his own processor? How much of that is satirising how directors work with actors? We I mean, you can look at to go directly as being a movie about directing and changing woman's appearance in order to fit the role and all those kind of things and that whole thing comes up again and again in this movie as well. I mean, it takes me a while sometimes to realize that when we see Gloria rebel, quote, unquote, across the way that that is not glory reveal that that is Holly body, and the the whole idea of how much of Holly do we see before we actually ever hear her speak, and how much of her was manipulated to be that role. And I just love that whole idea again of the doubling of these these women, and that we spend so much of the movie the first part of the movie with glory rebel in the second half of the movie with. Holly body, and it kind of reminds me of that whole madelynn Judy split that we have in vertigo and with that when it's interesting because we have Judy turning to the camera and showing us through her flashback what's going on. But we never really get that identification with Holly body or wick glory rebel in this movie. They're very much just two ciphers. I was thinking about how Helen shaver did all the the voice or for for Deborah Shelton. And then I just kinda got lost in at thought. I wondered if that was her voice of somebody else's voice. I when she speaks the him outside of the tunnel. I was like that doesn't seem like that's her voice. Yeah. And that's another form of this sort of that a fictional repurposing of the performers right, specifically, the female ones because that that isn't Deborah Shelton's voice, it's it's Helen shaver. And speaking of wages, rather than it being this whole idea of the acting coach as therapist thing that we're talking about which again kind of reminds me of like Marnie with her childhood baggage in her having to work through this and her her secrets more terrible than being caught behind a refrigerator. But that rather than that seen. We have a scene of Sam and Jake on the same addition both doing partout voices and Sam is doing the very virile lion. And we've got Jake doing this hippo character. And apparently, he keeps using the wrong voice for the hippo. But the director of the cartoon won't tell him what kind of oyster to us, and he gets very very frustrating. He's like to to talk higher talk lower tux slower. Tuck funnier talk this way, talk that way, and the directories just like, no, I want you to do it this way. And he never says what this way is like I want to do a better and Sam nails at right off the bat. But Jake has do his lines two and three times before he basically finally loses it, and that is the moment where Sam really realizes this is the guy, and it's very much like in that acting coach seen that we're talking about that nice push in on Sam when that is happening, and we just see those gears going and Greg Henry's brain to say, this is my guy. This is the guy I'm going to set up, and I don't know necessarily how he knows that Jake is a peoper, but he manages to set up the perfect thing to get Jason tension. I guess more than Jake being a peeper it's more just playing upon male maleness and the whole idea of seeing naked lady, and I don't wanna put words in your guy's mouth. But I guess most guys would be interested. If there's a really attractive lady across the way doing a strip tease every night, eight o'clock sharp, or whenever the show goes. On and having that as a something that's a bonus to this apartment that he sets them up in not only is it self reflexive. Right. Because this is clearly one of diplomas predilections, and it's one of Hitchcock's, but then he also implicates the audience for watching through the same telescope, and I think that's the reason that that seeing goes on so long is so you can I be titillated. But then also sort of feel really skis e about it. That's the first time that he shows Gloria to Jake through the telescope. I mean, there's a similar scene in in high. Mom, we're deniro shows down Garfield character a woman through window trying to interest him in voyeuristic kind of film art project in that story. It's it's a recurring sequence to maybe or. It resonates with an earlier diploma movie. Computed time on my on my watch twenty six and a half minutes that it would take to do sir points twenty six and a half minutes. And I said I said the camera to the clock radio, and I had this red light bowl. Yeah. Apartment as you'll see. Now. This is the preliminary stuff like, yeah, she pro. Well, I think she isn't a matter of fact, but she's a really great way. What happens now is we go down for a few minutes. We go on what we gonna come up and I've river close over fantastic. Great stuff should be up any second. Just going back to the the audition scene. The cartoon audition chief the same thing that the actors workshop does as far as Sam defending Jake against director of some kind or someone critiquing him. He he takes the opportunity to bond with him. By in the cartoon audition. He throws the audition that he would have gotten the he would have gotten the job. But he he he sacrifices it to entice Jake to become friends with him, but in that bar scene. It's clear that even though they're kind of bonding, he's still he's still interviewing him. He still trying to get him. A check out women in the bar. He's trying to get him to drink more. He's he's feeling amount. So it's still part of that kind of interrogation that he's doing before offering him the apartment, right? And speaking of that bar. See I think this is something that's subtle. But it it stood out to me a lot is it's it's sort of speaks to the incompetence that. Sort of runs through this Jake character on so many levels is him sort of lamenting his his newly broke it off relationship. And he just he says, I keep a keep picturing it I see her laying there which is just so weird because we specifically saw her on top. I don't know. I think that's maybe reading into it a little too much. But it just seems like something that Jake would say so obviously say in terms of like not being able to remember maybe not understand that he's being manipulated to the degrees manipulated. We didn't come into the earlier bar scene. But the one that establishes his drinking problem, and it's funny because when the bartender tries to comfort him about the break-up snarls at him like just keep the glass, fucking filled or whatever says like he's, but he quickly backs down the minute that he can see that a more macho persona offends. Were hurts another person. Like, he's to Jen. Title to play that character that he's trying out in that moment. Just just goes back into self pity. Like a second later say it's clear that he's he's too broken and week to even engage as early as a surly drunk. So there's this whole idea that SAM's leaving town is going to go up to Seattle is that right to be in repertory company a production of private lives, which I guess is an ironic choice for the the Noel coward play. And so he wants Jake to stay at this place. And we mentioned before it's the chemists fear building. Which is a really interesting looking place and reading that book called double diploma. Thank you so much Bill for turning me onto that book. They talk a lot in there that it was specifically chose them because it is such a phallic looking building. And that the building that Gloria lives in that her house is much more feminine. It's got all these curves to it and stuff. So I was like, okay. At least there. Even recognizing that in the way that they're choosing these things. And again, I love that really cheesy process shot of Jake and Sam up inside of the the up inside of the chemists fear the way that we see them up there. And I think after a while they just built models and Bill models of everything just so that they could control all of this stuff and put they probably just rear projected, a tiny little thing inside of a chemist fear model that they had secretely bachelor pad with a rotating, bed and view of this woman across the way, SAM's going out of town to be in private lives going up to Seattle. And this is really because we've gotten introductions to the score before. But this is where we get the theme. The theme of the film and its Pino denies yo score. And this theme to the glory rebel character that we're going to hear throughout this film. And is just. Beautiful the'real, this woman's voice over top of it. And that is what we associate with Gloria and that eventually will start to associate with Holly. And it's nice that the kind of bring that back that it's this motion this whole ritual that she has of putting these jewels in dancing around and then doing this masturbation thing, and I love that Sam questions him right off the bat. Did you see your face? And it's like no at inside your face. He's looking at everything, but the face, and of course, Sam covers it up with like, oh, she is gorgeous. But yeah, he knows that Jake is just interested in the body in watching the body. And it's a nice way to kind of ensure that okay? You're just looking at what I want you to look at. I have set this up. I am the director of the scene, and you have just been the perfect audience member for me, Jake. This is my favorite of this scores that he's composed for department. He's done most of the diploma films. Since Bernard Hermann passed away like starting with Kerry. I think this one it's interesting because it has those Herman esque kind of swelling, dramatic cues. But it also has this telescope theme kind of echoes like the tangerine dream risky business. Kind of scoring L is the Giorgio Moroder kind of American gigolo like that kind of theory. Techno pop kind of sound of the early eighties, which really I think works perfectly in as a recurring motif for Gloria in the film as far as the scene where Sam shows him glory through the telescope it. Also, this time watching it again, Iran any of the scene in video Drome where the cameraman gets James woods interested. You know in the in the video drum show by showing him sexual injuries that really watching himself, but this is the hook to get him obsessive and manipulate him through the sexual image. Theory. And it's also a way to get Jake then to watch act too. That's the whole thing every single time. He does this. He wants them to watch the second act in the first act is Holly body doing her thing. Apparently, she leaves at some point. And then the real glory rebel comes in. And then Sam puts on another show. But this time he's actually an actor in the show by being her husband and beating her up taking her jewels or taking your money and then leaving. So now, we've set this whole idea up and the next time he is another actor where he is now the Indian character, and I know I keep saying Indian character, and I should be saying native American character. But that's what they call him in this movie. So it's a little bit easier for me to just say that. So I apologize. I attend to say native American. But yes, so he's again acting in this, but the Siamese in act one in the second night where he is now watching that. And I'd like that he's doing this work on a satellite dish. At night, but he's got this acetylene torch. So at the sparks from that are what draws Jake's is over to him. It's kind of like a lighting effect where it's like, no, no, I'm going to misdirect you from Holly body come over here. And look at me looking at Holly body. So we had this double voyeurism thing going on. And is really nice that he is that manipulative. So again, Jake are set set characters doing exactly everything that Sam butchered now also known as what is he he has two different names because in the script he's one rebel. And in the movie, he's another rebel that Alexander revealed in the movie, I think I think so so that Alexander rebel. And then now that the Indian want him to look at so he's being manipulated by quote, unquote, three people at this point. And it is an interesting thing that he manages somehow. Now, this seems almost a little bit of a stretch in almost the kind of lending a little. Bit too possible. Magic in this movie that he manages Sam manages to get a perfect thing happening. The next day where the Mexican guys or cleaning up some stuff on the road. And that's where Gloria comes down from her house is there on the road and Jake sees the Indian lately farther up the road and that begins to me one of the best set pieces that diploma does. And that is this whole scene at this gallery mall, and this is just breathtaking to me. And I absolutely love this whole sequence that starts on that second day and goes all the way up to the end of the day. It feels like an extension of the kind of thing he's doing in. The the museum seem in that you're in the first act of dressed to kill that kind of silent stocking, but just on a grander scale. It's it's it is the centerpiece of the whole film. I mean, it might not be as commented on the drill murderer. The Frankie goes to Hollywood and other things that are more flamboyant. But it is you know, it it's a great example of what depalma does best. And again, this is right out of vertigo when Scotty for is tracking down bad Lennon, watching her and going around and around and basically that whole spiral pattern that we keep seeing in vertigo and here he's following her through different parts of Los Angeles to the Galleria, and we get so many echoes of that to the point where we've got her in a dressing room and the slit of the curtain of the dressing room is very much like the door that Scott he's looking through as he looks through the back of the one store at her buying the dress and look at that same idea later on with the introduction proper of the Holly body character very much similar as far as the doorway and the reflection and all this kind of stuff, and we get a nice reflection and here when she's going into the dressing room. And we've got this actress who. Is playing the shop girl, and I'm gonna screw up her name sled visa Giovane or you'll von mostly familiar to me is being goes that goes aria from Ghostbusters. I don't know why never realized that that woman wasn't any other movies. But then when I put two into all my God, I chose the former the destructor in nineteen eighty four. It was a good year for her definitely. That scene where glorious trying on the the dress reminded me this time of this scene because she's wearing the dark glasses inside. It reminds me of the scene at the at the head of sisters the peeping TOMS game show Margo cater the blind girl changing unaware of potential voyeur. Like, it's the same kind of moment and Jake gets busted multiple times spying on her in this scene. It's like the voyeurs nightmare because the security guy stops him goes goes area and stop some, you know, even the Indian is watching him from across the way like everyone sees his attempt at he's doing very bad job at tailing her in a very bad job of peeping on her subtly. Yeah, he's kind of the worst. He's not good at anything. I always love the moment that starts off the sequence when the Indian goes running by and it's so fast that there's a lot of times where he runs by just like wait was that the Indian just. Ram bias in. It's really nice touch in this whole idea. I'm surprised that deploment didn't do more things as a single take. This reminds me of snake is with the way that we're kind of going through all of those different scenarios at the beginning of snake eyes is one it's not really continuous take us. We know there's digital edits by this time. But it looks like a single take. But in here, we get some really long takes. Again, we get the use of the steady Cam I love some of the the wider shots where we are following Jake. And then we can see both Gloria and the Indian at the same time on the same planes in this mall and everything just a love the way that this is shot. Then again, so many POV shots from Jake. So many looks like some POV shots from Gloria which is interesting because we don't get a lot of Gloria. She's really like I said, she's a cipher. We don't understand her very much at all. And it's a little bit of surprise when we find out that she is calling another man this guy. His name is Phillip we never end up seeing or meeting at all in this film. So I guess she in this other guy are having an affair, but. Yeah, the we never meet him at all. So he's just this kind of mystery figure that's out there. I guess maybe he's a red herring. Right. Maybe we could think that he was behind some of this stuff that's going on. But I never think about Philip at all he just is he supposed to meet her at a hotel. She's buying the new underwear for him. But then we never see this guy whatsoever. I never even think of him. I wanna ask you this. Because do you think that Sambu short is meant to do you think it's meant to be surprised that he's villain because we had so many hints from the beginning of his introduction to not to not trust him that like you can see it on his face planning something. When we first you know, in that acting class. Do you think that that is meant to be suspenseful whether or not he's in on some conspiracy? That's a really good question. I mean, there's been so long ago that I watched the the first time that I can't even put myself back in those shoes as far as did. I know that he was a bad guy. It seems fairly obvious. Like what what you said as far as that? Push in on him the way he is. So smarmy the way he's slapping Jake on the shoulder when his looking through the telescope like, oh, yeah. Juicier face all those kind of things he's just painted as villain, right? From the beginning even in the bar when when he's trying to comfort him like the way that he looks at the camera with a sinister kind of maybe maybe I'm projecting. It seems like there's like a slightly sinister aspect to his expression when he asks for another round of drinks when he's after that that that that that acting workshop there's there's so much to suggest that he's Avila. And there's not really any other characters introduced could be red herrings other than you know, like, you mentioned the glorious lover, I read a review of this that described her as an infamous I was thinking about like each she and implement because she has one lover, and she's gonna have, you know, a sexy encounter coming up in another thing we're gonna be talking about. But is she really she just seems like a very damaged or vulnerable person, you know, in an abusive relationship. I don't, but I didn't get the impression that that's how we're supposed to read her, right? She's not even the one masturbating. Yeah. Who knows how long ago she got off? It could have been forever ago. I took her to be more like the Dickinson character interest to kill somebody. That's in an unhappy marriage. That is maybe cruising for a little bit of action, but isn't necessarily unsympathetic or even you know that outrageous a character. Maybe that she knows she's alienated, and you know that. That's maybe the one thing that like I could say. I just thought that that was like some writers interpretation of her character. But I mean all scenes are like so many of them do have a sexual component. But that's interesting thriller for you. And it's it's as if both she and Angie Dickinson get punished as a result of their their indiscretions as well and Angie Dickinson. Not only does she catch the TD. But then you know, she gets slashed up in the elevator. Then Gloria up with one of the most gruesome deaths that I've seen in a long time and movies outside of talian horror. Shallow the last time. I watched it. I wasn't sure what the motivation for her leaving her newly bought underwear behind was those at the old underwear she's wearing the new underwear that make sense. She just ditches it in a flower pot, though. Yeah. That is kind of weird that she's like, okay. I guess that. When you go buy new shoes, and you're like aware these out in the sales. Girl, like wraps the old ones or something. So yeah, it's it's weird. I've never bought a single pair of underwear minute. Really come in like six packs. So I'm unfamiliar with the the the protocol as far as how you dispose of the old underwear. I love the story that the screenwriter tells about how he thought that the Palme was crazy for having Jake pocket. The underwear the first time around when diplomas like, yeah. And of course, Jake takes the underwear in Robert average is like what what are you talking about? And it's like, no, no. And then later on when Jake is being interviewed by the police in the police find the underwear on him as like, oh, okay. And that never dawned on the screenwriter that was just like a diploma thing was like, yeah. No. You put that in. And then you pull it out later and make him seem really bad. So it's like, okay. Yeah. That that makes sense. He he is the worst detective and he does end up. Getting caught by Gloria. And I love when he's just like somebody's following you. And she's like, yeah. I know it's like, no. It's not me. I always wonder if she does mean him or if she knows that the Indian is following him. But I think she means him. I think that's how I read that line. And I don't think that the tunnel thing is necessarily in the screenplay. So again, it's this play on the claustrophobia. I mean, this seems like the most basic thing in the world like if you are manipulating Jake Scully, you're going to run into a place where he is going to freak out and be completely ineffectual. This is taking Scotty up to the top of the tower and ditching the real Madeleine Albright or not Madeleine Albright, the real Madeleine Elster off of that tower. And having the Judy Madeline person up there with him you are going to put Jake Scully into a situation where he is completely powerless though. It is a Lee. Little much in that he doesn't even seem to realize that it's the key card that he stole. So I guess maybe that wasn't why this wasn't in the screenplay originally that it's just an act of heroism that he manages to get the purse back. But again in this version in the file movie version, he is completely powerless. He is completely masculine that. Gloria then has to walk him out of the tunnel after she basically comes to his rescue in that we have Bouchard there as the Indian giving this triumphant wolf, and I loved that the woop is manipulated that. There's more to it than just his voice that there's something underneath that. Whoop. It's kind of a cool thing that it's that there's more to this. And that it's it's more sinister than just the guy like giving cheer. It's it's so funny 'cause I never buy him experiencing. Another freezing debilitating bout of claustrophobia in this in this corridor that just seems so much larger than the other spaces that we see spirited. I like when he's tailing her at the beginning of that sequence. How there's a shot where he's going underground like an underground car park of some kind of the first hand that he's going to have to deal with clutter phobic situations. If he's going to keep up with her on this on this chase. But I think in the elevator seed also, I know, you might you had mentioned that this. That moment reminded you of raising came. Yeah. I guess is there an elevator at that hotel. And the reason Cain that's what I was thinking that there's some sort of an elevator that happens in raising the climax of. The film when he when what is her name? The wife is taking the elevator up. And she's with her husband who's in who's in the the female police psychologists clothing like he's in dragged with go character encounter, his father at the top of the of the elevator. It's a whole intricate sequence space elevate out, of course, dressed to kill has the big elevator murder scene. Also is definitely like some mileage he gets out of that location. Maybe not as much as showers, but he does like his elevator shots just as an aside. I hated raisin Cain. The first time that I saw it. And it wasn't until I heard an episode of movie. Geeks United where they're talking about raising Cain that I really started to come to she sheet, it more as being kind of the I know some people say that mission to Mars the diploma film. But brazen Kane is kind of the ultimate diplomates like he's playing with his own tropes by that time and building this whole new story. I just picked up the Blu Ray that has the unofficial director's cut. It seems like a fan edit that then eventually got released as a director, Scott, which is very interesting story. But I think that was another thing why chafed against that movie. Watching it the first time was just like this movie doesn't gel and then reading the script years later. I was like okay now this. Makes sense the way that the script was set up was so different than the final product. And then putting it back together my mind, which then eventually got put together on this Blu Ray, as like, oh, this makes a lot more sense head they done it this way. I guess it was just another one of those like greatest hits in seeing. This elevator scene. I was just like there's something about this. That's recalling reason came and I can't remember so yeah, yet another diploma elevator. Didn't he have to completely swap the narrative around raising Cain? So the John Lithgow part came was it. Did it come second in the Lalita davidovich part came first that fan edit that is diploma proved in on the the arrow and probably I think who's who did it as well. Shout factory. Like the Blu Ray versions, a diploma proved fan edit say about raising Cain, and buddy doubles remind me of each other in that they both feel like Depa like directors. Don't always. Have a lot of control over what film comes next and career. But those both feel like deliberate reactions to the film that he just got finished making that was like a big production. Maybe not always a happy experience a lot of compromises or fights. When this is coming of Scarface, and whatever challenges he might have had making that film, and like a big production body double feels like a return to what people expect from him. Which is a hitch cocky thriller, but it's weirder than the other ones. Like, it's it's a stranger film stylistically thematically than something like obsession dressed to kill and raising Cain is even weird to them that it's very off putting quirky movie that it feels like a return to the Hitchcock in thrillers. But like, it's him impatient. With the form and trying all sorts of things that may or may not work because he's just done it so many times ready, but that one that was coming off of the bonfire of the vanities. I was like the same kind of logic where it's like clinical back to something small scale. And what I know that I can. Do better than my contemporaries, like this kind of very designed thriller. But in both cases, they feel like like weirder. Takes on the Hitchcock thriller thing. Then I think what he started out with in the seventies. Well, according to that double diploma book, he wasn't even supposed to be directing body double that. He wanted to move on to another project and then ended up directing this. Anyway, almost reluctantly at first, but this is to me one of the the diploma films. You know, you talk about his style. You talk about everything that he does. I mean, it's it's right there in line like, you know, sisters to dress to kill to this. You know, it's like so so linear that he would work on this next. And yeah, this is a much more controlled contained depalma, then it's like Jim Jorn big fan of Scarface either. I've never been able to make my way through that film. And so it's just it's it's a tough watch for me. And this one is like such a pallet cleanser, and I just absolutely love it the screenwriter. For this was I think hired to do a war film. And I can't remember the maybe you've talked him about it. But it was a different project that he was hired on to do. But then when body double came into being the. They were intentionally marrying rear window in vertigo tropes together with with other ideas. But yeah, he was hired for a much different kind of project. Even around the time of Scarface, he was pushing this as a potentially x rated film. I know we'll get to that later, but just the notion of him taking on this material, but more graphic more sexual even the script seems more sexual than the final film because I know this writing to NPA troubles Olson, I'm trying to think what it could even be that got them into trouble. I mean, the the murder is more suggested than shown and then the sexuality of it. I mean, it was definitely a different time. But I'm trying to think what what would have been objectionable other than I am guessing the masturbating shots are described more in the script, the Holly body dance routine that you know, he's seeing maybe that's I'm just guessing because I've never read specifically what he had to cut. So I mentioned before the possibility of magic in this movie. And one of the reasons why bring that up is the idea of. After Gloria rescues Jake in walks him out of the tunnel. They start to kiss, and it becomes this magical kiss. And really the magic to me is that why would they kiss? It doesn't make any sense. He's been following her around. Maybe she was just really Randy for Philip. And when you know he wasn't around. She ended up choosing Watson. But Watson like I said, Jake Scully is not the greatest looking guy. He doesn't seem like he would be fantastic in bed. I think Barbara Crampton would agree. So she just goes for it with this guy. And it becomes this crazy super over stylized shot that again is right out of vertigo. And I'm watching it. And I'm thinking, okay. What are they going to cut this with because the vertigo shot that I'm talking about? And that you guys already know. But I'm just saying it for the listeners is the shot where Scotty finally gets his new madelynn. He gets Judy to dress up like Madeline, and they start to kiss in that hotel room. And the camera is spinning around them one way and the turntable that Iran is spinning around another way and at one point it stops, and it becomes them in the the carriage house. I guess it is or wherever this churches, and it becomes this other scene of the real Madeline or who he thinks is the real Madeline. And then they continue on with that. So he's basically making love to Madeleine when he's really making love to Judy and we'll get that later on which is nice that this shot returns. But in this shot are just spinning around and doing all this stuff. And it's this process shots with background placeman men shot one day, they're shot in a studio. So it looks really again very fake. But in a good way like again calling attention to itself, but it's just such a strange thing. And then it just ends almost as soon as it begins where it's just like, no, no, I can't do this. And she goes off. This was the shot. That really garnered by attention when I was a kid other than, you know, Holly body, and her boobs and everything was just like, oh my God. This is so bizarre. How why is this happening? Just not knowing vertigo. I had no frame of reference for this. And I was completely confused while the sudden the music swells, and they engage in this kiss when they've never been introduced in have no chemistry together. Yeah. That said other thing that that feels completely shoehorn for me is that that they're sort of just using the same technique full that that they use in vertigo. But you're right. There's no there's no functionality to it because you don't you don't fade to the carriage house. So there's no real need to shoot it in front of a green screen. I mean, they they use it to sort of mirror the same moment with Holly. But again, the the use of the the green screen the process shot just is really baffling to me. Do you think this moment works because diploma doesn't think it does? Because he intended to work as an earnest romantic moment, like the music like it's not played for laughs in his head. But when you watch it now, it feels so exaggerated and over the top that it feels like it's meant to be an ironic comment on this type of scene. I think that because the film has somebody postmodern aspects that a contemporary audience would see this scene, and maybe that he's making fun of convention or that he's like that. It's like a dove are David Lynch or somebody commenting on genre film convention, but he's not, but but it works great as like a ridiculous piece of camp or something. It doesn't hurt the film for fans of it now. But it doesn't work as maybe he intended it to do agree with it. I mean, what do you feel like this film takes you out of the film is take you further in because it's so ridiculous. This. This takes me out later on when the same thing happens with Holly body than it works for me. Because then we get the payoff to the shot, which is the cameras stopping or slowing down for a moment. And he's not with Holly anymore. He's with Gloria and then continue so he's basically making love to Gloria while he's really in actuality making love to Holly. So that switch the original intention of Hitchcock shot works for me. But this on his own and just this out of nowhere nece does take me out of it. And I do laugh at this moment. I don't know if I should it up. But it always is just so overblown that I can't help laugh part of the enjoyment, and the love of this film is how absurd it is. Like, I find myself laughing completely throughout this film. And I feel like it's a logical progression. Or illogical rather progression of increasingly absurd elements where you you see this guy watching this woman who shouldn't know that she's being watched. But she's doing this dance and masturbating clearly not for herself. But for whoever's watching and then you get this moment in the hallway with the vertigo shot than that. I think transitions so nicely into the again like completely insane murder, and then the of video within a movie, relax porn scene. So I feel like it all makes sense in like this insane pass cheese pastiche diploma roller coaster that is this movie. Yeah. I mean, there are things that call themselves out call attention to themselves. I mean, the the idea of diploma being this, man. Ezra style and bringing all these things the four I mean, you know, as I'm watching this movie. I'm just like, wow. You can't get more agile than this symbolism. Like, I was talking about the curvy house and stuff. But I'm thinking things like the safe that's inside of her room that she goes into before the masturbation things you goes in the safe and pulls at the jewels and does all this stuff. And then we see her husband reach into the safe, and it's very much a violation of everything. Just like, okay or or the Indian trying to get into the safe. And it's just like, okay. This is basically a rape with him trying to get into the safe. And I'm talking about the Indian with this phallic drill that he's got. And just that. I mean that is so exaggerated, and you get the exaggerated big things like the chemists fear. These kind of just like, hey, there's a dick on screen right now. You get that kind of stuff. And then you get the, hey, I'm gonna take your person throw it onto the bed. Boom. We've got this vagina kind of thing happening here. Jake reach. Into the bag and pulling out the underwear these kind of things that it's just so exaggerated. And so in your face that I can't help. But think okay. Yeah. All of this stuff is exaggerated to make the larger point. Oh, sure. I think I think he's completely aware of what he's doing. I also think it's kind of this this thing that us looking at it after the fact decades later, you know, it has even even more of a intensity in in a new context, you know, like diploma diploma famously claims to have not understood the phallic imagery of the drill. You know, he he just said, basically, he needed something that would go from the second floor to the first floor, which is such a weird, you know, like literal way to think of that I tend not to trust him when he says things like that. I mean, you look at something like, hi, mom and dad. Deniro's characteristic voyeur photographer in that film, and he's commenting on the phallic nature of buildings that he's photographic diplomas. Not stupid like he knows this stuff. I mean, obviously when the drill shot that is coming up is one of the most famous shots in the film. There's no mistaking it. So when he says things like that, you wonder how much he's just being a glib promotor because he's he's so matter of fact about many aspects of the film, but when it comes to themes, he's really cool in a way that is you can't really trust. When he says things like he didn't understand the phallic imagery of the drill. When it's like coming between guys legs. There's no way he wouldn't have noticed that. Which is so interesting because I don't understand the need to be coy at any point when your Bryant appall mind. Do you have already made this movie, you know, I think it's just agitate feminist film theorist further like I think he just never really let that go. Yeah. He does like to push buttons. And I think that's one of the reasons why it got in so much trouble over stuff like this and dressed to kill and. Scarface because he likes to stir up shit. And I respect the guy for that. The we are finally at our third night of Jake at the house, and he is they're pretending to make a phone call to Gloria and at first I thought that he was making a phone call to her now he knows her name, and he's able to call over there. And he's just like, yeah. I'm the guy you almost fucked on the beach today. But instead he gets a phone call from Sam who's basically making sure that everything is in position. This is like the five minutes to curtain kind of a call and. Yep. Yep. I'm still here. I'm still in the house. I'm still watching and it's Showtime now, and this is the big night. This is what everything has been leading up to. There's no pre master Batory show. This is the main event, and this is the drill killing that we've been talking about in. This is in the area where we have the driller killer happening and stuff. Will we're introduced to the dog, which we've never seen before as far as I know. And I love that. This is the white dog from Sam Fuller's white dog, which was accused of racism. That's it's such a weird reason why that movie was kinda shit. Can I mean, it's basically an anti-racist film that's accused of being racist? But this is one of those dogs, apparently they had three dogs, and this was at least one of them. They had a a nice dog a little bit more aggressive dog in than the one. That would wanna rip your face off when they let it out of the cage and Jacobs to meet that version of it. It looks like it's really close between his house and glory rebels house. But there's a lot of Spacey has to travel, and there's also hesitation as trying to call the police and all this kind of stuff. But yeah, this is the the whole sequence of the driller killer, which like I said, this was one of the most gruesome things that I had ever seen at this point watch. This the first time and it still skis me out. When I watch it today when Sam calls to make sure he's watching live at like the next next the Indian he's still has the phone in his hand. Like, if you didn't put it together already Indian is putting the phone away before he can, you know, carries out the murder, but I wonder if there was haven't really thought this through too. Well, but if there's something he's trying to say about the distances between people geographically in Los Angeles versus if this scene were happening in New York, everyone so close together, but it takes him like twenty minutes to get from, you know, his house to the house next door, and it's too. It's too far distance from to save the girl. There was something all the driving. We have to do to get from place to place. But as far as the murder, this is funny to me because this is maybe one of the scenes that caused the film to fail commercially. Because it's it was talked about as like this extremely graphic killing sequence. And I read pieces from the time that talk about like how you see the drill go through the woman, and it's horrible. But felt it was necessary. You never really see her paled by. It's more suggested. Like, you see the aftermath of it. But it's really just all misdirection. And I mean, the horrible shot of the the drill going through the floor in the blood. It's very shocking still. I mean, I've seen it. But you don't actually see her getting stabbed by anything. It's kind of like the Texas chainsaw massacre. Like, it's all just in the way that it's edited. You think you're seeing more than you? Are you do see it sticking out of her once he's done drilling through her? But I'm also curious as to how much she had to cut out. I think the most brutal part for me is when you are watching the Indian from behind and it looks like he's. Basically like kicking her standing on her legs and standing on her neck. Maybe like you just see the way that his he's holding his legs out and looks like he's standing on her to keep her still before he puts the drill in her. And again, that's all from the back. It's all from just the way that the legs are that. You'd think that this stuff is going on you don't see this stuff. So yeah, it's wonderful that way and love the way that when Jake is on the ground looks up, and he sees the drill bit come through the floor in with that blood is just like, well, it is so disgusting. The way that diploma plays with us that the fucking drill is plugged into the wall. And when the court comes out, I mean, that is masterful that it seems like you were going to get away from this drill. And that he knocks himself out the ending. It's knocked out by his own drill and everything. And there's that moment where they're struggling. And all that I love that. He. Has just dragging the scene on and just ratcheting up the tension every single time that it's like he'll give us a little bit more. And then I'll give us a reprieve and then a little bit more than give us the reprieve. And then when they have basically, what ends up you could call it the come shot of the drill coming through the floor. That's it. We know that there's no more saving Gloria. And that also gives us time when it comes to Jake trying to get over there and the whole you know, having run down the stairs. I mean, we saw the guy's taking funicular to get up to the chemists fear before. And now him Roni on the stairs running down that long street. And we saw that she came down a long driveway before. So now, he's going to have to get up that and the house has is closed off the dogs there and everything so just so many things for him to try to overcome to get there. And that they're cutting that with these little moments of reprieve, it's just like he could do it. No, he's not going to he could do note. He's not going to. And then finally this. It's curtains on Gloria we mentioned earlier that this is like something out of his yellow or telling horror film, and the original screenplay had drowning instead of drill murder in the drowning would have been very much like something out of deep red blood and black lace like that that kind of murder, but I think maybe just coming off of the the controversy and the MPAA battle over the chainsaw attack. In Scarface, this feels like no power, tools and controversy. That's that's my business. Let me rewrite this, and it becomes the most horrifying set piece. But you know, the power tools murder thing. It's also a not obviously to driller killer. And maybe even Texas chainsaw massacre to some extent in the whole scene of him getting interviewed by the cops. That's right out of something like vertigo again. And I know I've mentioned vertigo a ton of haven't mentioned we're window and the really for me, the window stuff is looking at miss torso across the way or look. At when Grace Kelly goes across the way, and they see that the killer is there they see that ribbon Burr is in the apartment or those moments where Raymond Burr's there smoking a cigarette. And you just see that little red dot across the way and stuff. So the moments of helplessness that. What does I I love that both of these characters both played by Jimmy Stewart? Both have these weird name. So it's a LB Jeff Jefferies when it's rear window, and then it's John Scottie. Ferguson. Scotty in quotes that they have these kind of similar nicknames. But the helplessness that I'll be Jeffries has as over there across the way with the cast on his leg and can't do anything when he sees that his girls in trouble in kind of the same way. Jake's they're looking at Gloria, and he really he can try to do stuff, but he's not ever going to be able to save her. And then. Yeah after she gets murdered. We have the interview with the police detective, and it is very similar to the whole Henry Jones tribunal thing that Scotty goes through in vertigo where it's just like let me completely humiliate. You let me emasculate you. Let me give you all as much shame as I possibly can. And just make you feel as terrible as possible. About you because you were ineffectual, and you couldn't save this girl. Some underpants. Oh, no. Where'd you go? She dropped him in the trash who lorries and you just pick them. Yeah. Munns, gully tell the truth you fucked her in you kept him for a souvenir. No what? No, you didn't fucker. Keep them. Oh, maybe you're just a harmless panty sniffer. Is that you got a dirty mind. That's a laugh you people you follower. You fuck. Are you keep our little pennies as memento? And then you take a seat on a fifty yard. That's not what happened. I tried to save her. Some save Scully. Remind me to put my life in your hand. Speaking of Hitchcock references that we do we mention that the the murder has with of dilemma for murder as well with the the phone cord. Oh, yeah. I totally didn't get that. Thank you for pointing that one out. I didn't really want to cycle analyze diploma too much as far as like he's coming off a divorce because him Nancy Allen split right before this movie. Like, I don't know if he's necessarily trying to exercise. So then the movie takes this really interesting turn and we've gone from Jake the voyeur to now we become Jake the investigator after you've seen someone brutally murdered. I imagine that sometimes passed because he's got a good semi growth of beard. He's got at least Don Johnson going on here, which is appropriate because he's about to get introduced to the Melanie Griffith character Holly body, and which again is great that he's diplomas now working with the daughter of a to be Hedren in this film, her character is based allot on the actress Annette haven, and in the indicator disk, the Palme goes out of his way to never say her name, which really kind of hurts being that guy who people have referred to. Everyone's while as some guy. It kills me when it's like how much is it gonna take for you to actually say the person's name rather than? I interviewed this actress or I was talking to this actress, and it's just like, no, no say the woman's name so say Heymann's name, but yes, she basically helped build the entire Holly body character. And from what I understand she was even up for the role in audition. And then she ended up not getting the role, but then still being an advisor to Melanie Griffith, and kind of helping her out with the role, which seems kind of humiliating thing to me, and she pops up in the relaxed sequences. Well, which is also interesting that you mentioned that he he actively excise is her name from the indicator Blu Ray because in the in the Noah baumbach depalma documentary. He has no problem named checking her. But it would be used to doing nudity. So I so when I get a porn star at become very close to a net havens who was a fascinating character because she was an adult actress entertainer, I basically created the whole character based around the net. She'd never, of course, or dishing for moving her life was old news, and it was a big scandal. And I wanted to test the debt because net was a porn star. The head of the studio heard I was testing porn star outstayed seven. They said to be you can't do that justified Columbia was oh by the Coca Cola company. And I said sorry, I'm doing it. And I did I tested her. And Melanie, I couldn't get anybody else to do the poor. Basically there was some it's noted the big thing that came out of body. Double was Melanie does what everybody wrote about and I had all this material from a net, although stories all came from a net. I do not do SM or any variations of that particular vent. No, water sports either. I will not shave my pussy. No fist fucking. Absolutely. No coming in by thanks and dish. She studied emit we had to come down. And she was on the set to boost the bright spot in the movie that everybody's sort of built very happy about after beating me down. All I could talk about was Melanie, my guess is that maybe because Columbia Kosonen was distributing the DVD that those extras that indicate a recycles those are from a DVD from Sony, and I know that with them with 'em GM's last house on the left, they oriented he mentioned on the packaging of Fred Lincoln because of his porn connections. I don't know if they are that squeamish still about mentioning specific people involved in the film industry that was my only guess why they would be that way. Because clearly he talks about her openly and other. Places. So yeah, I noticed that as well that they don't mention her at all by by name. But it is odd that they would knowledge the adult film connection. But then nothing specific. But in the the script Holly body has a scene where she she mentioned her acting credits. And she does mention Dracula sucks, which is an edit haven film as well as misty Mozart, which is a reference to Barbara broadcast director Radley Metzger 's opening of misty Beethoven. So there's there's a lot. There's a lot of. Holly bodies back story that comes from Annette haven a lot of her dialogue. That was in the script. Only seems to be graphical details that diploma got from interviewing her. But yeah, it was controversial for him to even bring her to the set to try out for the film. And he said that he didn't hire her because she couldn't play like this certain kind of light flirty. Vulnerable moments that she had just become to an paraphrase may be too tough under to to mannered from, you know, so many adult film performances. I don't know if that's a cop out, and he just needed a Hollywood star for the part, or that was really what happened because it would have been a really bold choice for him to hire a net haven at that point, especially in the early eighties like that anti pornography protests cry would have had a field day with him casting and actual porno star apparently the really memorable Holly body monologue were she goes over her her hard limits and requirements comes straight from a net haven as well. This is what that era too. I think where some porn actors were showing up in mainstream stuff like run Jeremy had a couple of mainstream roles little bit parts and stuff. But it's just like, oh, yeah. There's Ron Jerry. I mean, we mentioned Ghostbusters before not a speaking role. But at least Ron. Jeremy makes a little bit of appearance. But I'm thinking things like what caged heat or something? These shows up in some sort of women in prison film and seven is just like, okay. So there was little bit of crossover, but they still never quite made it I mean, I'm trying to remember where fifty two pick up was that seemed to be the movie where we could have both adult actors, and quote unquote, Hollywood actors working at the same time in the same project, but that did tie into the porn world. So's kind of natural. But in here, again, it's kind of this left turn where we are into this porn world. All of a sudden the reference to misty Mozart actually reminded me of the line from the movie misty Beethoven. Misty beethoven. No, it's not more important. What was it before Deloris Vaco? And I like the way that we are introduced to the Holly body commercial Holly does Hollywood which in the script. It was a movie called peepers. So again, another voyeurism kind of thing that were introduced to her a during this sid Goldberg show, which is totally a play on Al Goldstein's midnight blue, and I love the character actor who's playing the sit Goldberg role in the way that he is kind of taunting the porn actress who's talking about her love of having sex on screen and stuff, but it worked and he's not nearly as skis Al Goldberg or Al Goldstein. But it worked for me. Yeah. I think it's funny that said Goldberg is interviewing actress from bold obsession. I wonder if that's reference to diplomas earlier riff on vertigo. I didn't get a chance to read what Al Goldstein said about diploma. Because right after this film came out film comment had a like a like a round table. Section in one of their. I think the November December issue of nineteen eighty four and Al Goldstein was one of. Number of contributors commenting on depalma and sexual violence in movies, both pro and con. Yeah. His strategies, and I wonder if I'll golden even knew he was mentioned in the regional screenplay to this. Yeah. That was Elliott midnight with L Goldberg. So pretty darn close to midnight blue with Al Goldstein. And then also another obsession thing, I think Annette haven was also in a movie called obsession from seventy seven. I want to say which seems like an interesting when it seems like a a little bit of a Ruffy, I just recently acquired them have you to watch it. But I'm I'm very curious. Now, I wanna see more for stuff. I mean, you did mention Barbara broadcast. And if you are going to watch one Annette haven, film, definitely watched Barbara broadcast because Henry para slash Radley Metzger. He, you know, we've talked about him many times on the show before he knows his shit. He is a great great director. Really, oh it to yourself to watch. His stuff, especially his things like, you know, for me. It's score and the opening misty Beethoven, Barbara broadcasters right up there. I like that Holly does Hollywood which is obviously, you know, a Debbie does Dallas candy goes to Hollywood kind of mash up title has elements that do resonate with the rest of the film. I mean, you have peeping through a window shot. And you have a woman who's played by cult film. Actress bring Stevens masturbating while lying on her back. Like, there's this could be a little throw away fake trailer for a porno movie. But even that has all these things that tie in to the to the imagery of the rest of the film. And I don't think I even really paid attention to that the first few times, I've seen this film that it has like there's no there's no accidents shots in anything that he does. And then when he sees Holly doing her striptease routine or moving her body in the same way that he saw Gloria do than the p note denies you score comes up again. Then with glorious the early variation on her theme so were taken to that same place where Jake's mind is at that. This woman is acting just like the women that was across the way. And so it's just like Scotty seeing Judy on the street and Sunday the light goes off. I don't think that he thinks that she's a reincarnation, but he wants to know what the hell is going on why this woman across the way dance the same way that this woman does or how this happened. So he goes on this two prong attack of both auditioning for this role that in a new movie that Holly body is in and then also playing a squeezy porn producer later on after he has the scene with Holly and this scene with Holly. We've mentioned it several times is it's like a music video has been dropped into the middle this movie. And I absolutely love it. It is Frankie goes to Hollywood doing relax and is a fantastic fantastic song though. Oh, this sequence is nowhere near as risque as the actual video for relax, which I never saw until just a few years ago. And when I saw that video for lax my job was on the floor. So you're talking about the band one. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The one that takes place in the gay club. And there's basically come standings all over the place is just it's lunacy. And it's fantastic is brilliant. It seems like something that Tinto brass would have directed. The the director of the video you're talking about the band relaxes is Bernard rose people might know from Candyman and paper house into moldable of it. I thought it was funny. How similar like they're both set in like decadent nightclubs situations like he's still retaining some element of that. Original Frankie goes to Hollywood video even though he's he's is doing a more subtle film. Then that original music video with the tiger wrestling and Jackie late. Relating emperors? And all that the Frankie goes to Hollywood sequence in body double. I mean is Frankie goes to Hollywood being brought to old Hollywood like these references to things like Sunset Boulevard with the net haven, and even the choreography I was trying to find what exactly they're referencing when Holly Johnson and other Holly goes to Hollywood, Holly Johnson, the lead singer of Frankie goes to Hollywood is like carried aloft by the crowd, and then placed kind of on his side singing on the bar. I don't know if you know what film from Hollywood musicals of old like they're referencing there. But like, it's it's the knowledge ING old Hollywood that in this like absurdly eighties new wave Goth kind of dance club environment. I was so curious how this even happened. Because that that double diploma book is fantastic. But it really feels like it ends too early. And I know that there's an author's note at the beginning. It's like, okay this. This was this manuscript was due at this time, and this was completed before post production. And then it sounds like this Frankie goes to Hollywood stuff happened later on in the process. Maybe that's why he got a net haven in it too. I don't know. I don't know what the circumstances where for that shoot. Because I found an interview with diploma where he says that he was shot. He says too far later like you said like six or seven months later, which is impossible. But he does he did he did say that it was done after principal production head wrapped. And I think in between diploma film than made a hit music video for Bruce Springsteen with that dancing in the dark, but that's a concert video. So I don't know that gave him the idea or what? 'cause you have music videos earlier in the film, but this would have been him trying out the kind of st-, quote unquote story music video, you know, that would have been prevalent in the early eighties, and and incorporating it as a way to bring you to the sex. Gene between Jake and Holly body 'cause I think originally probably would have been close to what's in the script, which would have been just them going straight into that sequence in in the film with the the porno dialogue, and I like to watch and all that. But this is such a more clever and fun way to get to that point in the narrative, while I'm curious as to what point chief filmed the other scenes that would then end up in the body double version of the Frankie goes to Hollywood video that they released like have you guys seen this with the? No, there's a non band, Frankie goes to Hollywood music video that is basically a version of what you see in the movie, but it's weird because they're changing the tone of it like the the Indian is in on this party. And you also have a Holly Johnson sort of peaking through a telescope and seeing clips from the other movie, basically, he's he's picking through telescope, and he sees what Jake Scully sees prior to Gloria getting murdered. I don't know if that video ever aired though I was trying to determine that because there's four videos for relax because there's there's the Bernard rose video that was banned. And then there was like one that was just very cheap early eighties style video with just performance lip synching laser beams. And then it was the diploma version, which he says they didn't like and they made another video. And then there's a live version like. Concert like performance take on the song. So this this four different videos. You can find of of relax, which is the only version I saw as a kid was the concert version, and then this, but yeah, I never saw the video edit which spoilers. I'm actually watching right now as we're talking about this. But yeah. And then it wasn't until two thousand six or so that I saw the the Bernard rose video. And like I said I was just like oh my God. How could this thing even exist? Oh, yeah. I see what you mean. The Indian is in this version. Up at like one thirty and then right around like to forty a Holly Johnson's like peeping through the telescope. I love the way that we are introduced a Holly body in this the way that Jake Scully goes through the door and is framed there with the mirror and with her body and the net dialogue happens. It's such a nice framing. And then the way that he is dressed with that sweater and glasses. I mean, I know this is right around the time of Tim bus field in a revenge of the nerds. But it really feels like they're kind of blood brothers at this point. And those stupid little things like him moving back and forth and up and down to the music. It's so simple, but is just so goofy. And so perfect for those that it's he plays that care to because basically him in the sweater. And glasses is Jake Scully to me like he is more Scully in that outfit. That he is the rest of the time. We're trying to be kind of a cool guy. And stuff because he's such a dork through this entire movie. Do you think that the claustrophobia is something that we're meant to quite with impotence? And do you think that? Oh, yeah. So do you think that his ability to be porno film level of sexually the reality that he the exhibits in the in the Holly body seen? I mean, do you think that that's like we're meant to read too much into like if never establish that he's impotent, even if, you know, his his relationship ended pretty abruptly at the beginning of the film. It's never it's never indicated that he's a bad lover. We just maybe intuited just from him being week about everything else. But that. That it is the identification Gloria in that moment that. Yeah. His really kicks into gear. Finally. I just wasn't sure how you read that. If that's if you thought of it as impotency thing, but he's overcoming in that moment. I mean, I've always taken Scotties vertigo to be a symbol of impotence. And by proxy, I take Jake's claustrophobia to be a symbol of his impotence. And then it seems like the only way that he's really getting it up with Holly is that he is seeing it as he's making love to Gloria and something in her has triggered. Maybe it's that he has been peeping on her for so long, even though he wasn't peeping on her. He was actually peeping on Holly body. So I don't know to me. That's the way that I take it. And again, it's this kind of moment of magic, you know, again, I don't think that he is probably an amazing lover at all. But it really. Feels like Holly body is getting off on having sex with him. Like he is a great lover. And he definitely Jackie lights. But there's no come shot and I loved it. They call call it out for that you take for granted how that must have been shocking line. For Hollywood thriller in the. And I do that later on. She says he didn't even know what it comes shot. Was. It was just like, okay. Did he not know the term or did he not know that they had the pull out and do that one thing just as a quick aside here? There was a time. I can't even remember what year was, but I remember specifically killing time at a mall and going into the bookstore at the the local mall, and they would have these books like this whole series of books a movie flubs. And there are a lot of things were just like, oh, if you watch the cigarette changes length the scene, blah, blah, blah, and they called out this movie because you saw the camera crew in the reflection of the mirror went Jake closes the door and that used to dry up of fucking walks. Just like guys you're supposed to see the camera crew he closes the door. That's the whole point is that we see that. This is a set that this is a video that's being shot. This is a movie that's being. Shot. This is very much on purpose. And that was one of those moments where had I owned that book. I would have thrown it across the room it just stopped on it. But it's just like how how incompetent can you be that you think that that's a mistake? Clearly, they're not appreciating the film as much as we are. So that's part of your age and as quick as we've seen Jake as the nerd we. Then see him then as this scuzzy, porn producer. And then. Yeah. To your point Jim, I really appreciate seeing him in something else other than that same uniform that he's been wearing through this entire thing. And the way they he is kind of talk on the talk and walk in the walk with Holly. And we finally get some good Melanie Griffith here. And actually getting to see her doing pretty decent size role in this and doing a great job with it. And I love this relationship between these two characters and the way that you know, does she trust him? Does she not trust him the way that he has the Bill earn her trust those kind of things? A lot of this reminds me of Jack and Sally from blowout. I think that's probably intentional. I think that whole idea of the movie guy with the sex worker or adult film worker those kind of roles playing off of each other. I think it was very intentional to have that same type of dynamic with these two characters if very much so and I think that when she's endanger at the end you have this. If you've seen blow out you have this sick feeling to yourself. Oh is he going to go that route? Again, you know with I don't know if I want to give away the ending to blow out, but it's a tragic conclusion of that. And it's it's you know, you know, that he's willing to go there and and put a likable character danger. You've mentioned that you felt like Gloria and Hollywood both ciphers. But I feel like there's there's there's a little bit more to this character than just that. I think there's a lot of real person there because so much of it seems to be coming from Annette net haven as a person that feels like the movie really comes to life in a different way. When this character is introduced, I think that this is probably the one person that really benefited from body double at all. Because I think this let her doing something wild and then onward upward for good stretch of the eighties nineties as far as becoming a proper movie star after being in the business for a while. Brings a lot of humor to the film as well. Like she's again. Comes from in at haven. So it's sometimes wonder how it would have played with her in the role. I init- haven did not like hollies hairstyle. And that she was saying like punk wasn't in at this point. And it's true. There weren't a lot of actresses that were rocking this kind of hairstyle kind of reminds me of Saco a little bit. But sick as hair run. This time was a little bit longer. And then as I was watching this. I'm I'm quizzing Heather drain about different porn actresses. And I'm just like, I remember this woman. I think her name was viper. And viper was more punk. And then she turned me onto Lois heirs who also seemed to be kind of rocking punk look around body double time. But yeah, for while there, it was very unusual to see a dolt actresses with any sort of tattoos or short hair or anything that wasn't the American ideal of beauty at that time. So it was obviously that has changed. Now you. You can't watch an adult film without seeing women with tattoos and stuff and that makes me sound like an old man or something. But that's just kind of the way of the world body's change hairstyles. Change interest rates fluctuate and porn actresses have tattoos now rocket so, but yeah, it was funny to me that that was the one thing that she really objected about was that porn actresses do not have punk looks to them. I read somewhere that Seca head said that she turned down being melody Griffith spotty double in this film, which doesn't make any sense at all to me. But that's something. I'd read I also found a comment from an haven herself on YouTube a few years ago. And she said I was very happy to get out of body double Brian turn it into a drill fest. So maybe they had a falling out. And that's why he doesn't mention her by name. I don't know. But so I wanted to fast forward a little bit here and get to we're Jake thinks that he has everything figured out. And I love this. Whole fake flashback that we have from Jake's recollection of things, and it really procedures something that we're gonna see a few years after this which is mission impossible where we have the time cruise character. Ethan hunt figuring out things and us seeing his recollection of stuff through his POV as he's going through. And I know that actually through some people I remember Denzel Washington talking about how terribly confusing Brian depalma's mission impossible movie was which really perplexed me. I'm just like how could you be confused hit movie? But okay, he didn't like that whole idea of the the figuring out of stuff and showing things that may not be one hundred percent true. Because the thing that I like the most about this series of images that we're getting from Jake's recollection to say how Alexander revel set up this whole situation. He knows that. Now that reveal is Bouchard, but he does. Not know that the shard is the NBN. And so we get this great shot of the Indian with his mirrored sunglasses, and we see Sam Bush arts reflection in those mirrored sunglasses. And it's just like, oh, that's nice hit. He's wrong at this point. But it's a great moment of him saying like no this happened. This happened this happened, and it isn't until he's down in this grave in Holly body has been kidnapped and thrown into this grave that we get the conflicts of events now of the cost or phobia, the final claustrophobia scene and then him pulling the makeup off of the Indians face and revealing Sam underneath there. So that is such a nice moment when he realizes and when he actually is the prizes like Sam like SAM's gonna stop when he does. Like like by saying his name like it's Jake. Hey, what are you doing? Hey, snap out of it, buddy. Mission impossible. It just occurred to me to that Amelio Estevez dies in an elevator in that movie. A rather other time before one has unmasking scene as well. Like this. That's not dissimilar. But I think he gets a one of those spikes through his eyes member service in the is. Yeah. Ooh. Yeah. That was bad. He gets drilled his well, yeah. This ending really gave them a lot of problems. Like, this is not the ending that we read in the screen play. Again. I mentioned before the dog was not in the screenplay. So the dog being there alerting Sam to Jake's presence, and all this was not part of it and the saly breakable glass, SAM's truck window. I it's gotta take a lot for dog to jump through glass like that. But hey, you know, again, there's magic in this movie's just a quite any sort of weird things with magic as far as that goes. But yeah, this is I'd love this whole sequence. And I love when Jake is powerless there at the bottom of the grave and just those tall walls, going up and SAM's voice again being distorted and basically taunting him as he's pouring dirt down onto Jake into Holly sick. It's funny that the the dog breaks through the glass with the same ease that Jake Scully breaks through the grave in the script or he's basically buried alive, and then just somehow emerges somehow. He makes a little air pocket with his arm or something. I'm like how does that work? I had a really difficult time visualizing that ending. I'm glad we didn't have to watch it. Yeah. Me too that that original ending. It's confusing because it lingers on the original ending. He's burying Holly body alive. And it's it's it shown to be kind of. Said that she's she's powerless. She's struggling she's terrified. She's being buried alive and it plays at least in my head run reading it. Like kind of troubling. Sequence. But then when Jake comes into save her she's in on it with Sam. And she ultimately like they they bury him alive. Like they team up that she's actually revealed to be a villain in a sense. And the the way that diploma reimagined it for the film. She becomes she's a likeable character. She remains one of the good guys. And they also they moved the location of it from maybe like a wooded area to write on a body of water. So it has his ridiculous. But wonderful kind of conclusion at the reservoir with the drowning and the dog, there's a reservoir. There's a dog I'm seeing a pattern here when you were talking about how Jake miss discerns that Sam is in coats with India. It was it was just reminiscent of Hoen Jeffrey Beaumont in in blue velvet is observing both. Frank booth and the well dressed men, and there's a similar kind of reveal right that Frank booth is the well dressed, man. When will dress fuck that man knows where you're fucking them tied. Fuck. Probably whole term papers to be written about the parallels between body Dublin blue velvet, I mean, there's a lot you know, beyond the voyeurism in the stripping women and the witnessing of violent interactions. You know, there's a shot at the beginning of the vampire's kiss where you find the the carpenter has put his own name on one of the tombstones, and that's kind of thing that you find in blue velvet in the Valance apartment. There's the production designer put his own name as one of the tenants. Like, there's lots of minor and major parallels between these two films. I wonder if Lynch was aware of depalma's film because the script predates depalma's film. But it came out like I think they finished it like a year after blue velvet year after body double. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're both definitely drinking for that same Hitchcock. Well, with a lot of the stuff, it's strange to me that Jeffrey Beaumont's first-name. So with J that Jake scully's first name starts with j Jack Terry from. Blow out and then Jake Scully was not the original name of the character. And here was John Sculley in the column. John completely threw the script. And so some time after that they decided to go from John to Jake, which I think it was good. But you know, it's such a tough guy named compared to the character. I think maybe John would have been better. But he finally does live up to Jake. And I love the way that we go from him in that grave to him in the previous grave and the way that they pull him out like we break all of a sudden and of this whole moment of him back on the set of vampires kiss in this is again, one of those moments that separates us movie for me from just a typical. You know, erotic thriller kind of thing that we can go to this moment and him interacting with Dennis FRANZ. And he still wearing the jacket that he was wearing before it seems like he's onset. But it's not it's almost like he's giving himself an internal pep talk. And before he can decide to finally. You know, I don't wanna say men up. But that's basically what he's doing in. This is he is powering himself up in order to escape his phobia and stand up and pull that shovel. And just luckily be there in duck at the right time for the dog to attack owner and throw those two both into the water and Holly never sees that at all and accused accuses Jake of being necrophiliac, which I thought was really nice since basically Scotty from vertigo is an Eker feely act that he wants to make love to this dead woman and recreates her as this live woman in order to have sex. So a lot of weird necrophilia stuff going on in that movie as well. And Holly calls him out for it here in body double and then yeah, we have the movie end on a successful note. Jake has been rehired now back to empire skits. They got rid of that other bozo. I think Dennis France calls them, and we actually see the whole bodily body doubling thing going on. And we see it set up. And then we get what the actual movie might look like if we were to watch this movie for real. And it's a nice way to have that in the credits. And we also get a nice shot of Holly body their onset. And so it seems like now she and Jake are thing which is kind of a nice happy ending. And I thought it was nice that they moved that scene from the beginning of the script to the end of the film, and then adding Holly in there is a good way to really kind of wrap it up. It did feel to me since you mentioned blowout blowout. Earlier did feel like if blow out had a happy. The ending like that that kind of emotional beat. And I agree with you that it's a good thing that they move this. Vienna. No, he was concerned that any mention of what body doubles are would would be too much of a giveaway to what he was up to even the scene where he goes back to the vampire's kiss set to you know, to confront the Dennis FRANZ character. I think before that when his agent calls Hellum that he's been fired. There's a line that doesn't appear in the film that a new they found a new face to stick on your body. You know, another another tell that, you know, there's something going on with, you know, replacing people in in that way. But I I love the ending to this. And of course, it's also a reference to dress to kill because, you know, anti Jason's body double in the shower. I don't know if that's the germ of the idea. But that's definitely something that you can also connect to an earlier diploma film if you want so we're going to take a break in play. Couple of interviews. 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David. I look at the documentaries better. The ugliest truths. Teach you about mixed martial arts and fishing poorly fake ghost stories and everything you wanted to know about poor production values in stock put it check us out on itunes, Google play or a super true stories dot com. I'm Chris cooling from forgotten TV, and you're listening to the projection booth the ultimate movie podcast. How did you decide to become a screenwriter? It's the only thing I've ever wanted to do my whole life. I love movies. I was kid growing up in Brooklyn. I used to just watch movies all the time. I was terrible student have all sorts of disabilities and learning not a good situation for me in school, and I used to scape- into the movies, and as a young child, that's I dream of becoming a screenwriter. There's that interesting time when you realize that there's somebody actually writing the words that people are saying on screen when was that moment for you to your member? I think I was watching King Kong, I was very young eight or nine years old. And my father was talking to me. And I think I was at at the point where I believe that actions made it up as they go along. And I think I asked my father few questions like how did the actors talked to the monster? I don't remember exactly. But he told me that there is a writer who writes the stories. And that click with me in a big way. And then when I was older, I sort of bunch of Hitchcock movies the teddy Eugene affect on. And at never quite seen anything lights, and that's sort of pushed me over the edge, especially vertigo, rear window, psycho, those that you just act on me. And there were just so beautifully written. And so people directed and acted that that's kinda clinched the deal for me. I started writing screenplays in high school. I went to my father was a rabbi who was brought up in orthodox home. And I went t-, she this my whole life orthodox you Sheba's which was dual program where he studied Hebrew. When religious subjects in the morning, and then English in the afternoon, and it just was not a good student as I said, and so I would spend basically all my time writing screenplays, you know, in my little. Books and there were terrible. Just just kept riding hundreds and hundreds of him. I guess and you have to understand I was brought up in the fifty. I was born in nineteen fifty. So quite a bit older there were no film programs, and the the culture that I was brought up and everybody that I went to school with all my friends became doctors, lawyers accountants and rabbis, and I just have to want to do something else. So it was a it was an odd odd childhood to put it mildly, and I'd never even seen a screenplay. So it just sort of made up the form as I went along. Do you remember when the first time it was you actually get to see a real screenplay? I was in bookstore, and I saw four screenplays by Ingmar Bergman, and I bought that book, which I still have. And I'd never seen anything Bergman movie, and I read them in and that was very hopeful to me. Well, what did you folks about you wanted to become a screenwriter very, very worried? As I said, you know, my father extra by. Very religious, how salt in the very, you know, Brooklyn DNA harder Brooklyn, and they were worried that they're just worried that it's not something that. Yeah, they're religious Jewish Bush should be doing with his life. So how did you make the move from Brooklyn to Hollywood? Or did you try your hand working in New York? I I went to Israel for years. And I was there during the kipah war. I knew some some young men who died in the war in the close friends, and I also was close with their wives and their girlfriends, and it had a big impact on me. And I wrote a screenplay a base based basically based on you know, what I imagined defunct would be those soldiers, and what it was like for their wives, but it's mostly about the wives and girlfriends back home, and it was actually the first good screenplay that I ever. I mean, it was very effective screenplay in when I came back. And then I moved back to New York. I got a job at a film magazine. I just circulated the screenplays center to every agent New York, you know, it's it got a respectful spectral reads from people in one of those people was Marty Bauer who was a Brian's agent. Brian read, my work, this preschool script and liked it very much is just a sample. That's something to make you just thought it was strong screenplay, and he met me. Gave me a size page outlined for body level was just a bullet points. So this happens this happens. This happens. You know, we sat and talked. We talked a lot about Hitchcock. And we got along we had our FedEx tightly wound together. And he asked me if I wanted to write this film. And I said sure, of course, what year was that. Remember nineteen eighty two eighty three. There's no what it happened pretty quickly. I mean, I met him. We talked. We got along I was very cheap. Obviously, you know, unknown writer Wendy's unknown writers by was actually he he was actually thinking of hiring another director guy that I knew low budget film director to directed. News gonna produce. But I it became very clear to me very quickly that Brian was not gonna let somebody else directness when we work on the script. I mean, he just he cared too much. He was to specific in the I just knew very early on that point. It was going to record. Just let us other directed. Go very quickly, and he and artwork on to go, which does blood bride or death benun. Where does that fit into things? It's a low budget feature that I wrote and directed that is thankfully forgotten to. Nobody's it's just not terribly. Good doesn't never really worked. We'll have is that process. Once you and Brian depalma got together to hash out. You know, you talked about those bullet points that you got how do you work out the beats and come up with what ends up being body double off? And I worked at the beats myself. I yeah, I have a tremendous respect for Brian. I think he's just amazing director when he's on his game when he's just the best Rhys, and I considered it. My job was just to make the story is airtight as possible Brian would take care of style. He would take care of the camera movements and all that stuff that he's so good at I felt that like many direct. Were Brian might get lost is in the stores. And so my job as a storyteller was to make this an air is air type plot as possible when you dealing with this kind of crazy material. And so what I did was I worked very very hard on trying to make an illogical plot as logical as possible. Which is in a sense is definition of every great move it. I mean, if you look at Hitchcock films row a lot. They're all nuts to make no sense. The whole trick is to make them seem comprehensible to make them seem logical in the you know, world Newtonian physics. So that that's what I that was my job. So we're very very hot trying to plug up all the the little holes that kept appearing in the plot as we wrote it so go off I would ride comeback to Brian go over it. You know, we would. You know, he's very very smart guy who's very analytical. And he would you know, we sit there and almost there's very interesting to me. You know, is it was like Tom mode. Accession I grew up in comic. Right. Which is you studied these dis- incredibly difficult texts. Need poke holes and ask questions, and it's you know, back and forth back and forth. Trying to make sense and trying to come to some kind of coherent resolution, and that's where it was like riding. This kind of this thriller. Brian would poke holes in the story fill him up. Then another place the whole show up, and we were just in a Walker. You know, just try to make this thing work. And then finally, you know, after I sort of resorted the outline he sent me off to to the screen plan. I wrote several drafts and then he was in production. And when he went off in production, then he did a rewrite all by himself, which I knew we would. That's just Brian. You know, but he called me up, and we went over certain things and set up. What do you think of this idea when you think about I did? And you know, so we sort of worked on the phone. I was living in Brooklyn at the time. And so I had nothing to do with the production. How did the story change between those that first time that you write that draft? And then what we ended up seeing unscreened the main change is of the regionally. We find was gonna shoot it in New York and the character who ends up being an Indian was arrested faring, but it's really change it to Indian because it's just it's just fit more in the west. So, but it was basically the same thing. It was actually the truth is that no the script is pretty close to what you see on the screen. He has reading the second draft of last night, and even so much of the dialogue. Everything seemed to be right there. The only real difference. I saw was the murder of the woman was being done in a bathtub rather than with a drill. You know, Brian again, great director in when he he gets on setting and looks at stuff. I mean thinks about him, you know, he's gonna he's going to go with his gut instinct in and make it better usually, well that must have been kind of thrill for you to be so invigorated when he saw the films Hitchcock. And now, you working on this kind of mash up of vertigo and rear window, and it's such an interesting way to put those two films together and actually make them work along with rich and stranger my. Favorite movies, and the Elta young and innocent, really lovely in this, and it was fun to do Brian. I actually sat down and watched grow to go together and rear window, which were hard to get hold of those days removes just video and a lot of things would not on Ted can somehow Brian much. Get them really terrible. The copies are member that color. It color was all off. But it was just wonderful to watch them. And we discussed them at length and really talked about it a lot. I know critics well enough to know that we were gonna get clobbered for it on the one hand, I love doing it. You know, the hand I sort of sort of the handwriting on the wall with certain. Critics who would just take us to task for, you know, ripping off Hitchcock, which we want doing openly paying all much to to just a great great. You know, probably most important director in history of movies. What was it like for you? When you get to see the film projected for the first time. No, you have to understand Nores raised extremely modest conditions in small apartment in Brooklyn. Nothing expected me except to you know, go into the normal profession, which I couldn't do 'cause I was such a terrible student and I wanted to do something else. And nobody really believed in me, except the woman whom I married who was a rabbi's daughter. Also from we went to she together. I've known since I was nine years old actually in love with her since I'm not near we went to it was three oh thrilling experience because I moved out to California studios. I got an agent very quickly knows offered many deals, and my wife, and I moved out to California, and we paid money and went to theater, and so the film, and I had tears running down my. My hus- because slowly thirty ever wanted was to be in the movies. I wanted my wife so. It was a wonderful experience sitting with the woman I've loved since seventy nine years old and seeing a movie in the I love most left decides. My wife was is the movies to this day. What was the next thing that you manage to see a theater of yours was at Dr tower? Of so much that I was commissioned to write by some company. I don't remember what they were. They did the my original script are pretty good. And then. Got rewritten by all sorts of people, and I didn't even want credit in. 'cause I read a draft that I thought it was just a Pauling just awful. And so I've never seen the movie. So I I really can't talk about it. But I was not happy with the script that that has my name. My my name's should not be on nothing. I can do about it. It's just one of those things where it's early in your career. And you just put it behind you. Do remember stranger among us making quite a big splash? When that came out. That's where I really right about the stuff that I know we really well. You know, orthodox Jews, and but I put it in Hollywood Hollywood spin to it. Right. So. That was fun for me really nine short buckman sitting whether another really really sign New York director the thing when it comes to speaking to writers that I always say is that, you know, looking at your career on paper as far as what got Greenland and actually made it to the screen is one story. And then there are all of the projects that never made it there are there any regrets that you have with some of those. Of course, I mean, unlike any other screenwriter Hollywood a pile of scripts that I've written on spec than having gotten made when the Norden other it's painful. The the business. You get you get used to it. There's no you're screaming about waning. The truth is look I'm privileged to work in Hollywood. I've made a very good living over these years. I've raised children the got a house. Most of the people coming up to Hollywood fail. So so has some things that weren't getting didn't get mitt. Maybe they will almost every project that I've worked on except double which is unusual has taken years to get mid is film. I wrote coded devils rhythmic, which took me seven years to set up. And the only reason it got made with Dustin Hoffman read it and like getting Kim Boorda's executive producer. And then I won the EMMY for it. But that was the script. I just turned down by everybody in town. You know twice times when I sit everywhere just never stopped. But that's that the businesses it's much easier for an executive to say, no and say, yes, if he says, no you still has his parking spot. Right. If you says yes in the film doesn't do. Well, we sparking spot loses. The Lisa BMW. You know, when his contract doesn't get up out there on his ass. Yeah. Yeah. I did read I think this is one of yours which in Hitler's shadow from wanna say it was around ninety. I think that was retitled the infiltrator for HBO. I was again one of these weird projects where it came to me. I wrote regional drafts. And then I was asked to do some stuff on the scripted. I didn't like it all in I withdrew from the project of another screen in the did it revived on day, which again, you know, that's that's the business. It's a pretty good film. It's okay. You know, not wild about the the rewrite, but I didn't wanna do is done and the damage to the story. But I knew it would. So that's why I kinda withdrew and I'm not a particularly temperamental rider. I don't have a bad reputation. But there are lines that I just don't wanna cross because you you work too hard. Why, you know, make myself crazy with the script that that unhappy with? No, you do you do the best. Can just certain points. You know that maybe it's best thought, and I think almost all good writer so have other favor. Few writers who write anything? No, I don't know many people that soon thereafter, what's your process. Do you write every single day pretty much? It's the writing is like a muscle, and you have to exercise that muscle and after about one third years of doing this. So I think I'm finally getting the hang of it. What are you working on these days? Riding tech script about about the foreign legion. The big action adventure picture that takes place during eighteen sixty three in Mexico. The L you've been in the business now for gosh. What almost forty years, I think my math is terrible in you've seen so many changes in the business is it harder. These days to get things made or is it easier. Okay. What you can't is you can't sell huge spec script for million dollars anymore, which I actually did during the nineties had a big script spec script with Joel silver. And Madonna was attached to me more and Joel Schumacher was gonna direct ton of money. And it never got made. Because you try working between the two million Madan see where you end up. So those deals don't happen anymore. You have spec script it's gonna make you a million dollars just for the option and the business is not in the movies anymore. Nobody cares about the movies people care about television, and rightfully so. Because. Producers and stars control and some directors, but basically produces and stars control the movies, and and comic books are the subject matter of movies big studio movies, whereas writers control series television. And that's why series television is so excellent. And the stuff that people talk about and the stuff that people care about continuing story movies are a closed eco system. You watch a movie once it's finished. It's gone. You watch a series. It is an open. It's what's the best of Charles Dickens story that can keep going and going and going the were you stand on the dock, and you wait for the next boat to come in, and you yell. You know did. What happened to little darter? What happens is this character that character? Mill you hear the passengers coming over from England, but yell she died something. So it's it's an entirely different experience. And it's it's much more. It's much more satisfying. So that's why people will been genetics in the Bill of sitting or go to or each be. Oh, you know, they'll sit no watch game of thrones, you know, starve themselves to death and watch fit weeks something nobody does that with movies. So that that's obviously that's the the biggest change. If I were people come to me for advice. I tell them, you know, ignore the movies, go straight to television. 'cause that's where you control with as a writer. And that's where you're going to do your best work d- mind. If I ask what was that projects with Madonna? Demi Moore called Lita and swan was a big crop movie that it was. Just ton of development. But it poured into what I did. I did a couple of rewrites, and then because of internal politics and craziness and stars mostly to me who was riding high in those days on the you know, every week serves on the cover vent. If you fair there, she wants bringing their own rider, and she did and he ruined script. It's amid mesh of it after you know, all these people Joel silver, one abrupt wall spending like ten billion dollars. And it just was ended up being a piece of junk. It just dropped, you know, which happens all the time. And they well they have to do is go back to the rigid script, and they would have had beautiful movie that was made endless amounts of moments, just endless. But you know, that's the way how we're hollered works. Can't complain amid a lot of money, but it's a shame. You know, Robert, thank you so much very time today. This has been a real pleasure talking with you. Thank you insure your podcast. I tell my my wife. Asked me, what are you doing? Listening to this podcast, and she's business. The problem with the podcast as long as the movie, we do have that problem often. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. I mean, but I enjoyed that still basically, I'm still a little kids, you know, sitting on the floor in Brooklyn and watching the million dollar movies for the first time watching King Kong, the first time with my eyes wide amazed by movie. How did you decide to become an actor? Well, I started really liking movies. And my family was not a large television watchers weren't allowed to watch television. But you know, when I started became sort of fourteen fifteen sixty like seeing a lot of movies on my own, you know, actually began little earlier than that with my paper route money, you know, go and see movies, and so, but like that, and I kinda got into speech in Orleans reputation in high school, and so I did very very well at that. And I applied to a couple of small liberal arts colleges and one of them gave me a scholarship because of the bunch of trophies that I won for the Hora. Interpret, and then I began acting in plays in college. And after I was there jury college for a year, I said, well, I gotta go to a different place to get a better bunch of training. And so that's how I've been transferred one up to Washington. How long do you before you got the rich man Portman gig? I left Seattle the day after graduation. I. To Los Angeles. And. You know, I started the kind of thing of slipping the picture in the resume under agents doors, and that sort of stuff, but I had to get a job to live. I began working restaurants and tried to sort of scope out what's going on Los Angeles, very large amorphous kind of place. So you kind of look for your foot and. So I worked at that restaurant for about six months, and I guy kept coming in actually from. He was from Cleveland, not from Detroit. But David Johnson's his name's Greg bass player played with ROY Ayers, and the O J's and stuff. And so we started talking us again. So then we formed a band for a while. And we did that for about five months as I lost breed Benny and getting to call the parents for money. So when the band folded, I said, you know, I don't know what I'm doing. It's been all this time trying to get the acting in school. So I gotta get back to that. I think I sort of you know, got sidetracked a bit then I started selling over the phone to live. And and I started finding various theaters around town sorta spend time in and I didn't do any productions then, but I began on dishing addition for the blow went down to San Diego. Got a got an apprentice gig down there. And I got under study the leads of various plays including Orlando, and as you like it, and then I went on about four or five times in that somebody then recommended me to Joel therm who was a casting director. And he in turn new Pam Dixon was looking for somebody to play Nick Nolte, son. And so then I went from I went from the old globe theatre doing Shakespeare up to doing Richmond. Poor man. I know people my age, I remember rich man, poor, man. But I imagined people younger than me don't remember the importance of that. And just what a big deal that was an especially the first one like Nick Nolte, the second one was equally if if memory serves as popular just what a what a huge deal TV movies and miniseries were at that time. Oh, yeah. I know I don't think people are aware of and and sort of this, you know, knuckle. Extended former lung former thing, but the they have different names for it now. But the miniseries I think there was just sort of Q V seven and maybe one other one before Richmond poor meant there were only about maybe two before Richmond Portman. And so it was very much in the first bunch of those. And that was just gigantic. It was a huge then when we did the series that was a novel thing for Hollywood because they wanted Nick Nolte to come play his his son. And they wanted, you know, and I talked to Nick once he's like a that my son of I didn't make but they wanted to they wanna Peter they wanted all these cast members. And of course, Peter was able to get to the deal that he wanted, you know, you could just sign your deal because it was a precedent setting thing in that from that point forward if you did a mini series you signed that series. Well case they wanted you the next time. It was a very big deal in our book too. The series. We did twenty two and that's all Peter was contracted for. And so that's why it stopped and it was big. But it wasn't anywhere near as big as the miniseries. You were in one that it took me for ever to track down a copy of I don't know if it's easier these days to find it. But back in the days, it took me forever to get my hands on a copy of mean dog blues in code blues. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a to member. Who was that crown international does need that note? We've been Crosby pictures in Crosby production that movie. Yeah. What a cast for that. That was crazy. How many well-known faces there were in that film? Oh, yeah. We had Greg cap George Kennedy Ceylan Felton Parry, Gregory Sierra, Jim Wayne. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of good people. You know movie. The movie didn't have a lot of press behind it. Or a lot of push behind it. When it first came out, you know. I think it was you know, sort of well reviewed, but it was not it didn't have a lot of Jason money behind it to to push it too. It was on pretty quickly. Who's probably why you couldn't find it? Can you tell me about when you first met and started working with Brian depalma? Yeah. I I met Brian on Scarface. I. Agents said there's this one mine part in this movie. Are you interested in it? And I said what the well without chino? And you get to do. Well, that could be interesting with Bryant upon that could be interested. I said, well, what the heck I'll go see. So they said of meeting with mardi bregman. And so I went in and I met mardi in his office. And and he said, okay, do the line? So. So I how do you do Mr. Montana? That's the line. And he's a great. You got the job. Okay. And that was that. And there was one of the easiest jobs I've ever gotten. But and also the only time I've ever read with the producer, only and got jobs. So that's where I met Ryan. And that part was you know, it was great about that was watching our work watching Brian work once John Alonzo work, it was it was the first large budget studio movie that I'd been on. And so that was kind of a trip it was very rainy season as we shot in Santa Barbara which was doubling for vogue atoll. What was supposed to be three days work ended up being like two and a half work pretty good job. But I met that's where I met Brian. So he, you know, so my face kept coming up in his face in the editing of my guess, but then when body. Kim along. I ended up a getting on dishing for that. Because of power Godfried secretary saw me in a play in downtown LA. Jim she was her name. And when they were looking for the part. So be sure she said all you know, we've got it would be great at which point. It was brought to up to Brian UN. Oh, I'll yeah. I know who he is. Yes. Sure. And so then I went in and went through how to meeting with Brian. I sorta read it with the cast Greg Brian there, and then that began a long process sort of call backs that then went to a screen test old fashioned full crew screen tests ended up getting the job. So role of samba shard is pretty interesting since I mean, really your playing three characters in this film. And I'm curious how did you approach who you're going to be a samba chard who you're going to be as the Indian who you're going to be as rebel? Did. You have. Distinct approach to each one of those well, the Indian, of course, doesn't speak, you know. So the the Indian was that was all about the makeup and physicality of it, you know, to sort of present the most for into kind of physicality, I could and so it was a combination of, you know, full chaff prophetic, neck prophetic teeth hair, the whole thing full three and a half inch lifts on the boot sort of trying to add adds a large man's Wagga to. So that was that was basically that fan, boo. Shard sort of in one sense. He's a made up persona, and and it's just sort of like, he's just basically a con, man. He's just basically trying to suck Craig's character J in, you know, suck in created that on on just sort of a kind of a street hustle, kind of thing in a in a sort of an acting a large count show, biz kind of hustle thing. Because there's all kinds of people in LA that are. Always that's kind of what that was about. Now. I don't know what the other one is is you're talking about. It's a long time. Also, the husband is very brief when you go in and you smack Deborah Shelton Norell. Yes. Yes. Yes. Where I'm wearing the hat, and yeah, I come up with a Lamborghini yet. That's just basically a different sort of disguise, you know. And so I really looked at it is that the guy I was playing Sam Broussard was the guy that all of them. He created this ruse and this con- and then just play the play the characters in the play. You know, I'm not sure how Brian depalma works. How do you go about actually getting into that character and finding that and working with Gregg Watson O'Brien likes to rehearse, and and he's he's old school in that way or body double. We we rehearsed for almost a full two weeks. So, you know between ten days in two weeks fully taped out floor just like a stage play of what what the set pieces. We're going to be where the. We're gonna be what we were doing. So there wasn't a scene really that we didn't touch on in that rehearsal with the exception. I think of really the grave of the grave, but it was all well rehearsed in well, discussed, you know. So the objectives were clear, and we were all very clear on what we were what we're gonna do and Brian in those rivers will period, you know, he's constantly a meticulous. Observer a buddies very very compassionate with his actors very much lets them. Let them roll. And let's them, you know, show him and was never sort of dicta, to'real noise. Some directors can kind of be you know, what I mean, even though it is always his vision and his alone about I mean, not saying that that's not true. But those rehearsal great for me because I'm theater animal. That's where I came from. So it was all it all made me very comfortable now, very appreciative or and and it's true of the other movies. We've done with him as well. Not as complete the rehearsal. You know, not as full takeout floor and all that kind of stuff, but a couple of days rehearsing and reading and stuff like that, which is more than they get for a lot of movies had you ever done anything that heavy when it comes to the makeup at that point. No that was a first and berry dry band. I were wonderful. It was a lot of makeup. It was at first it was gonna be Rick Baker. So I went over, and I get a full death mask with Rick Baker, and he had a whole design going, and then something fell out with scheduling on that. And so then Tom came in. So I went over and did another death mask with him. And we started a whole new make up with him and vary. His wife, I believe and at the time. I remember when marriage happened, but at any rate it was about four and a half hours or the make because as I said, it was a full chest stomach piece full neck piece full faith off. Obviously years full wig full benchers top bottom. I mean, the flip on teeth. So and then once you get all that on then you gotta paint it all, you know. And so like, but it started out about four and a half hours. And I think we might have got it down the baby three hours and forty five minutes. You really knocked it out of their off of it. Yeah. Yeah. So what you get those calls, you know, and doing we're doing the big on the beach and through the tunnel. You know, like a one forty five call in the morning for six AM call on the that. That's what it was in that all day long yet. You're in that. Yeah. It was quite something. One hundred percent your did. You also have a stuntman who has made up to look like, you know, that was all medium mean it wasn't me was there was a shot of the Indian welding up on a harp on a tower. I don't know if you remember that shot, but kind of long distance you don't come in on. Long-shot? That's not me. But other than that. It was all me. Did you have to work much with that dog or with those dogs? I mentioned was team worked with quite a bit. Really that one dog is really the one dog a white Gog who the dog from heme fuller white dog. Actually, I think racking my brain to remember the animal trainer right now, wonderful guy. I can't remember his name. But he was so good with him and very good with with me and putting us together with that dog us great. He had very a lot of trouble trying to go through that glass in in in the car that that was very difficult for them. But but he's good pup. When you started working on this film was the ending already set. I know what you're referring to he did amend the ending after after we were up and running. Can't remember what that change was about? Exactly. But that does strike a bell with me. Yeah. I think you're right. I remember changing was the actual sort of. Sequence that got out of the grade that got the dog in got the dog to do that whole ending kind of sequence there prior to the ending takes us back to the present. The that was a decision on Brian's heart at the after we had started the things that we aren't seeing when you are putting the drill through Deborah Shelton. I imagined. She's not there at all is what were you looking at at that point. No Gabar wasn't there for that. When that happens. And of course, everybody's swears that they see the drill go into the body. But you never do. So it was just a point for, you know, they just gave me an X on the on the floor for where her where her face and eyes were and then a spot for where we were going to drop the drill the movie opened to mixed reviews. Let's say it is definitely, you know, garner a larger reputation since then pretty time. What do you mean? But I mean, no, no people didn't know. No, people do not like, you know, polling kale. I I'm not sure anybody else that. But then, of course, you get all these reviews DVD's come out of flu raise come out and everybody, you know, now everybody is like, oh God that was a great movie. And I was reading a couple of things today to sort of reacquaint myself before we spoke, and it's made it, oh, what a masterpiece in a bunch of people that are reviewing it now from two thousand sixteen on. So I don't know it just takes time. I guess that's the marinate really wanted to ask you that whole sequence that takes place in the mall. How long did that take to shoot? All that stuff. Do you? Remember, I wanna say we were there for two three days. I think. Yeah. Certainly today's I don't know if we had a third or not. But there were certainly today there. Yes. And that would bury new the rodeo collection. I don't even think all the stores where rented out at that point in time. So yet, you know, it was all hyper glossy new new spot. He I think three days if I don't know it's a long time to remember the schedule. Mike, I did body double do anything for you. As far as your career goes at least at the time. You know, I got a parking space at Warner Brothers. It was great to be kicked up stairs to to to the big leagues of of the major motion pictures, and so that was great. And so sort of became aware of me in that world a little bit which was good. But of course, I switched from play. I switched playing villain, which of course, then put you into a different understanding of everybody's mind. And so so then there was the battle of while g any play a good guy. And I was like what I did for the first four years for this. So I don't know really everything you do helps you in some way, and you never know who's going to go. You know, what I love was body double and give you a job, you just don't know. I'm very grateful for it. And you know disappointed that it wasn't reviewed better wasn't left in the hitters longer. It was not received. Well, there was also a lot of problems at Columbia at that time. I think I may made a Wayne had just taken over and. I don't know whether the big scandal with van or still they were still dealing with that or something, I don't know. There was something different at Columbia as well. And so I think it was the what really was was the big thing was earlier, but the changing of the guard from maybe priced amac away as that always happens. It's like well who picked which movie, and if the one if the outgoing administration pick that movie, the incoming administration is not going to sell that movie. You know, we suffered a little bit from that. But basically the reviews were brutal. What was your role like in casualties of war? Did you see Powell tro, and I'm berm bombs diploma the documentary. So I yeah, we went to see that for fun, and it was fun too fun to watch that. And it was also fun to see that. Because I saw a scene of mine from casualties of war. And of course, I wouldn't my wife, and I went to movie theaters. See casualties war. I'm wasn't in it and was cut out entirely that I, you know, one of those situations where Brian didn't let me know who God that's smart will sting, but it was great to sort of here in that documentary kind of what happened with that. And when it got to the court martial scenes, which is where my scenes were. They didn't want this re prosecution this new attack on on on Michael posses character. I understood I understood that fund surprised to see to see the loss the loss. Gregg, Henry footage from casualties of war in documentary. Yeah, it was fun as you do dear doing all of this. Because you've been in so many things over the years. What's your relationship like with music? Are you going back and catoon to play in a band or how is that go? Well, you know, I always get you do music. I. The continue to write songs and really sort of recommitted by self songwriting. I guess in kind of late nineties had a pretty good hit with with Dwight yoakam called the back of your hand, which just the the video for that was number one on country music television for about five weeks. I think and and it's been on country music television's greatest fits into White's greatest hits, and you know, a number of other greatest hits collection. So that's all kind of fun for me. And so I continued to write songs, and you know, I play some songs that I've either played and sang or for other people in some various things I've been writing a musicals I wrote a beautiful called little Egypt the musical which we did here in Los Angeles. And then also, but took back to New York, which I didn't use it and lyrics for Lindsey per wrote the book, and then I've just written another one that I developed with the. Labyrinth theater. So kind of a kind of a masochist in this area with the writing. But. It keeps me off the streets. I like it and I play out from time to time here. You know, when I have new songs I play out various clubs in LA. I asked you the makeup being the Indian character before and cures. I know that you were full makeup when it came to Star Trek insurrection had you done anything even remotely like that in between that those roles. Those were the big makeup roles. Those are pretty big. I mean, how long did it take for the makeup for insurrection direction with the long when to although that one started out at about re forty five and we got that down to about forty five overtime. So with another one in between. I don't think so I think the others were since then, you know, I did a you make up for litter. And I did a huge makeup for another episode of of Star Trek one of those star Trek's. I don't know ration-. It is I- enterprise. I think it was cry. Yeah. And that was up loser guy that wouldn't took about three hours as well. So I do know the feeling of cold glue onion face at three in the morning. One of my favorite roles of yours were just seems like you. Are having a lot of fun. And please don't shatter the allusion if you weren't. But when you are Val Resnick in payback, you were just look like you were having such a great time being such a bad guy. I had a great. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of on. I thought that role with a lot of fun. And at Brian was Ryan with great in that he he really sort of. When for the ride with my interpretation of what the part was. 'cause when I was district for that. Which very long initially. He was like he was loving it because he was laughing. And he said, I just didn't know it was this funny. You know, and I said it is to me. So he after couple of McCall bags he was like really going with that. And then then, of course, Lucy needed to be cast that we were going to. So I said I'd read with her for for those auditions, and but I still wasn't. I wasn't cast. You know, when I read Lucy's it took it took another three months before before mouth the audition tape. Then once he did, then then then that we were we were going, but I I had a wonderful time. Yeah. It was great Khan. Mel was tremendously fun to play with. Of course, Lucy was we had a great time and shot in Chicago with Indian summer and Chicago beautiful fall, warm fall whether. For five weeks there. And then we were back at Warner Brothers for five weeks. More recently, you have become almost like a rabbit's foot for James Gunn. You've been in almost everything they stun recently. I think we got record that I've still been in everything although the last guardians of the galaxy was truly brief brief, but he loves long enough to actually recognize me, which means about that long. Yeah. James, I think is a brilliant. They'll make her in a beautiful guy got a really piece of bad luck from these evil trolls. And then Disney brass deciding that they would let evil trolls organizing plan a business, but but but James much more open about it, all and said, he understood and everything, and you know, and he's got a some other great things lined up. I think I think he's doing suicide squad and pasta. I know you wrote it, but I might be directing that. So, but yeah, I did it slither and and super in both guardians, and then I did his small series about the the Ragu. What was that called? He has a great love of raccoon. But I don't know if you spark in the Kayla that was the the the one we did which was hilarious. We shot it at his house just puppet raccoons on on skateboards. And it was a lot of fun. So what are you up to? Now, you still working on black lightning. No they killed me did on black Lightning's by cheese. You know? Well, you know that people regenerating comeback alive. You know? So you just you just never you just never know. But that was a lot of fun doing that show. But I shot a movie this summer in Winnipeg that was called strike when we shot it. It is now gonna be called stand and is a musical. And it's based on the the general labor strike of nineteen nineteen which was very big thing around the world, really. But in Winnipeg it was particularly huge. There was this guy. Danny Schorr wrote this musical as a stage ply which has played every year in Winnipeg for about eight years, something like that. And then he finally put together a screen play got together. The money we shot this movie up there in September. And I just did some eighty are on it last week and looking. Pretty good and their hope is to take into can because the worldwide labor strike will have its hundred anniversary and June of nineteen nineteen. There's a lot of interest from labor groups, and from countries that still respect labor unions. So they're interested to get over to Europe with it. And hopefully, hopefully can will say sure come on over was this your first proper musical where you're singing onscreen onscreen. Yep. I was telling my own songs on screen, but this is the first time to be a musical you finally marrying those passions together. Yeah. That's wonderful. It was fun. A lot of fun. Thank you so much for your time. This has been a real pleasure talking with you or Bank you Mike. I hope you got some things that are of interest to you. And. Are usable as they say. All right. We're back, and we're talking about body double you have to know that your movies successful in some ways. If there is a almost beat for beat shopper shot Bollywood, remake of it and body double definitely qualifies for that. There's a film called Palin Nasha, which translates roughly to first intoxicate as in like I love and it was directed by. I'm going to butcher the name. I should go wire. Kear who also directed the Oscar nominated Lagaan film, which is about available on Netflix right now. Just in case people want to to see that it plays a lot, of course, with movie making tropes. It starts off with the scene that is this really over the top kind of a scene of violence, and this guy saving all these people who live in this apartment comp. Lex seems like and I'm saying seems like because there's no subtitles that I've been able to find this. But you really don't necessarily need the subtitles. Because like I said once we get out of that, we go we see this movie, we think it's the real thing. But then we end up knowing that it's a movie we go to the premiere of this movie, everyone's happy, everybody's clapping. And the her main character is whose name is Deepak is, you know, getting slapped on the back and all this kind of stuff. And then all of a sudden the fire alarm goes off in the building. No, it's not the fire alarm. It's alarm clock. He's just a struggling actor, and he's going through the exact same things that Jake Scully went through. So the biggest difference for me is that there are different moral codes when it comes to Indian films versus the US film, and there's no nudity allowed in this Bollywood movie at this point. I don't know if there are if new these lowered. Now. But it's basically this woman dancing across the way. And that really does something for our main character, and she ends up just being a dancer at a club that he happens to walk into there's no LA after midnight kind of show and she gives us performance. Then reminds him of this performance across the way. But yeah, it's in the thing that kept getting me and one of the reasons why kept saying the Indian throughout this entire movie when we're talking about body double is because the Indian in this film is played by an Indian not only can they not show nudity. And there's no gory drill murders. But I don't think they're allowed to kiss onscreen either. So you have a lot of hugging in this film, which is different for Roddick thriller, and I was really upset that there wasn't three hundred and sixty degree angle of a hug. Camera shot like vertigo. But you know, it is it is odd to see what could be a PG take at best of of the story. It's got a lot more dream sequences has a lot more musical numbers. Then I was well, I was expecting some. But not as good as the relax. I was absolutely fine with all of the music numbers in here. And I kind of actually liked the one in the first ones mister zero something or other. But of all the musical sequences. The only one that I ended up fast forwarding was the one in the club with all the guys who looked like dressed as Arabic guys who have like the Sheikh head thing going on that one goes on for way too fucking long. And I just couldn't stand it after while. It's just like no of all the musical secrets is. This is the one that broke the camel's back. I have to fast forward through a little excessive. I I mean, I was surprised when he called the Gloria character. And then they broke into a musical number singing another which was not a twist I was not I did not see coming even if it was revealed to be a fantasy sequence. But I thought it was interesting that it dealing with movie culture in a sense. It's not satirizing those worlds the way diplomas like it's not dealing with schlock horror porn like it's dealing with. What feels like the big budget kind of movies that would constitute success like a personal breakthrough for the actor hero. I can't remember if the the director I thought I read that he was a movie star before becoming a filmmaker which what might be why he had so many big name Bollywood stars in his debut feature. Even though the film from what I understand was not a success commercially. I was happy when they're like little nods to the film, dawn. Yeah. We do. Ultimately have a success. We kind of replay that success of him in the the opening night is revisited at the end of the film. And it's basically it almost reminds me of like north by northwest when they're on the Lincoln Memorial. And he's like, you know, here give me your hand. And he pulls her up, and he's actually pulling up into the bed in the train and the train goes in the tunnel. It's like, okay. Yeah. Now, we are in the movie version of the end of the film. The one thing that I found interesting was that they don't have a guy in makeup that actually have two different actors playing the samba shard role. And because when I saw the guy who has samba showered, and then I saw the guy who was quote, unquote, the Indian I was just like, wow, they look really different. That's a fantastic makeup. I was trying to figure out how that makeup was being achieved because he looked so different from the other actor actress, the different guy mentioned northbound north west because for me, the most interesting variation on depalma's film was the tunnel that he chases the the Indian standing character in in in this version is a train track tunnel. And so I was reminded of north by northwest as well as body double with the with the train tunnel feed. Is it follows certain sequences so closely like that? It's I don't know if I wonder if diploma has seen it because he's never commented on it. Yeah. But yeah, it is so close, and I'm really hoping I was talking to the guy that does the deja view series on YouTube who I just talked to talked about recently when we're talking about another film that had a different remake of another country remake. And. Yeah. He really needs to cover this one because it is so similar, but yet so different at the same time and those weird moments of comedy like when there's crazy glue that gets introduced any grabs the Holly body characters arm and just like did he just grab her arm with crazy glue? And then there's a whole song that takes place as they're they're bonded together with clip exactly it's like now we are in love and now or her two bodyguards that beat the shit out of him. Then he's in the hospital, and he's trying to talk to her. And there's miscommunication that's going on. So foreign erotic thriller. This movie has a lot of comedy in it. Yeah. When he tries to explain the Holly body dance, you know to the police chief by acting it out in the in the in the police station. I thought you know, if a Roberto Benin comedy or something just felt like a totally different kind of filmmaking. Yeah. That was pretty painful. I was very surprised. When I read that diploma was nominated for a golden raspberry for body, double because of all the things that I can say about body double the direction in that movie was really fucking good it. So I don't know, you know, what herald p raspberry what his qualifications were as far as like why this movie was considered. You know, why why diploma is considered to be one of the worst rectors of the year? But I guess it was just part of that backlash against this film because body double in his day was not a very well liked film. We mentioned blue velvet earlier this movie actually made more money as a flop and blue velvet did sleeper. Hit. I didn't make didn't make a lot of money. But it made it didn't like I think it cost ten million and made eight or something like it wasn't like a fiasco the way blow out was or the way that bonfire the vanities or something was but. It has to just be the under. Maybe they thought like who votes on that? Is that is that industry people vote on the golden raspberries? I don't know who that is feels like I know the golden turkeys in amid vets. But it feels like something that you know, a couple of jokers like the Medved. Brothers would just get into Dr Klaus and touch each other and throughout titles of stuff. I mean, I was just looking at the winners for the twenty eighteen golden raspberries. And it's just like Holmes and Watson, basically swept everything I was like, wow, that's really kinda easy guys. And then the it was like Holmes and Watson for so many of the categories, and then it was Donald Trump for so many of the categories, and then it was middle Melissa McCarthy for happy timers. I was just like, wow. That's that's a real hard hitting acerbic satire that you guys are doing there. I don't know if it was just a backlash because of the porn connections or the the constant fighting over the x ratings. I don't know if they were just trying to like send them send a message that kind of renegade behavior in the eighties. Hollywood was not going to be tolerated. I don't know because it's not really a great era for Mavericks in the studio system. And this was like the last film he made that really push those kind of buttons for a while, which is so funny too. Because then Lou velvet would go on to get the the best director nomination for the Academy Awards though. It definitely not get a positive review from Roger Ebert, but I've got a great review from diplomas old champion podium kale. So diploma could go up on screen, take a shit and palling kale would have given. By the thousand words of how great it was Pauling kale. Did not did not like a body. Double nearly as much as his previous stuff. I think. He didn't like Craig Watson either. So speaking of Watson, I feel like I can't let this go without mentioning this. Now, I don't know as far as like the validity. And all this kind of stuff because there was a I don't know who the person was that wrote this blog post from April of two thousand seven now, I find it interesting that Watson's last credited screen role was two thousand six and then April two thousand and seven there was a blog called bitchy. Actress so pitchy actress, stop blocks dot com, and she hasn't written for a few years. There's no way to get a hold of her because I would have liked to have talked to her about this. She wrote a story on our blog. And I don't know if it's her or a story about her or a story about a friend because little confusing as far as that goes. Maybe guys can correct me. But there was a story that she tells about being a teenager in hanging out with Craig Watson and him pretty much being very Hansie with these teenagers this team. Teenage girl and in twenty nineteen reading that story. And I'd read that years before when trying to get a hold of Craig Watson made me really uncomfortable. You know in in this kind of okay? This guy should have been outed as being kind of a sexual predator. And it's kinda sounds like he was he's still working. He's still does a ton of stuff as far as audio books. Like, I mentioned on the LA confidential episode a few months ago, he does the narration for the confidential audio book that's on audible, that's pretty much stock in trade. Now is doing audio book readings does a great job of it. But I don't know if there was a correlation between the story on this blog and his screen career kind of ending or if it was just coincidental. Definitely does. Not look good for him. If if this this is what happened? It's definitely a very creepy anecdote that shared on the blog. I know that are. Amanda Reyaz had known him, you know, years ago and said that he was nice enough and wasn't creepy with her. But you know, that maybe seemed a little troubled at that stage was years ago. But think he sits found religion, which makes him very much. Unlike Bill Maher, no confusing the two as far as that goes. All right. We're gonna take another break and play a preview for next week show. In eighteenth century fronts, Joan bootees, we was born with a top. That made him unique among guy. Of's? Phenomenal sense of smell is a gift that have been given to him and him alone. Must've come to a few knows knows this. No man can call himself a few months. Unless he has the sewn beams is sent. Intoxicating power of the ghost now made it clear to him that he must learn how to preserve. So that never again would he moves such sublime beauty. Creating a few. Each contains three twelve notes in all. 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109: Classified

Civilized

16:08 min | 11 months ago

109: Classified

"Haberman is this on. Oh not used to having one of these communicator things. It's Bob sorry for myself just here to let you know. There's some special news and a cool new experience. That's coming and you can find out about that if you join our newsletter. You can do that by going to I think something from. The nineties caught a website. The two thousands Civilized POD DOT COM. You'll see a newsletter sign up on the page a sign up and and we let you all about it and I'm told there's all kinds of really cool five dollar Patriot on bonus episodes and you can get one of those. I think I'm in. It called surprise if you join. The newsletter is pod DOT COM. That's it I gotta go save the world. Then you wouldn't know what a dollar is. Humanity's last hope to find and settle of you world a small tariff forming fleet. That's out to prepare lifeless planet for the colony ships. Sure to follow in their wake civilized. Is it good gone? Hits take a moment we regroup was that thing. Bob Sort of not bobbins bob adjacent. It had been Bob. Oh my God. What if something like that happens? We're okay Bob Bob. He said he ate something. We're we're we're not going to be. There is now a bomb like creature roaming the forest looking for us. Well I I mean we don't. We don't know that it it it. It ran off into the brush. We could be fine. It could have forgotten about us. It could have found a love interest. We who knows you would know a lot about forgetting people are leaving people behind wouldn't you? What's that supposed to mean? You know exactly what it means Bob was. He was literally dying and you left him alone. How could you do that to someone to? How could you do that to Bob? He asked me to. Bob made a choice. You know we think about my job as telling you to what to do but just as much of my job is allowing the two of you to discover yourself and make your own decisions. That's what I did for Bob and I stand by that are Thala Mu. There is a time and a place for giving us some motivation to make our own choices but not when someone is clearly experiencing trauma. He's GonNa come back. Captain Captain. The lights the lights on out era captain error. Fetal era systems are down. I don't have a communicator. Arthaud me has won his quarters captain door. Okay think think ventilation ducts or just come on. I can't get in your room. I think Pretty Party Arnie's quarters how this is going to direction. You know. I I have had enough. I don't WanNa be near you. I don't trust you. I don't believe that you even have our best interests in mind anymore. You can find your way back to the ship. Beatrice now is not the time for us to split up. I mean that Bob Creature could still be out there We we need to work together and get back to the ship and then we can talk about you being mad at me value. How am I supposed to work with you? How am I supposed to do that? I don't trust you. You talk about us like the people that we are the moment were alive. The now's don't matter. It's always about the next iteration. Do you know how hurtful that is for all? I know you only died once you know you. Don't think about what it's like for me. You and Bob only have to think about the now. Think about your current generation. And what you're going to go and find a new spot that day or or or try a new souffle recipe that day. Because you just get to come back I see all of these iterations. I'm not going through that process. I'm the only one who stays constant from iteration of Beatrix to interational via tricks from Bob to new Bob Bob and always the same old bartholomew. They're the only one who sees the full mission and is under that pressure to keep it going so while you might be. They're telling me that my decisions are wrong. Remember that I'm doing my best to and with pressures that you don't understand. I would understand if you talked to us. I would understand if you tried. I would understand if I had working memories. Do you know what it's like to wake up and not know what happened to you the day before. Do you know what. It's like to be foggy foggy like that to not know if you're actually yourself or if you're just implanted with someone else's memories do idea what that's like. I put on this happy-go-lucky facade all the time because I know if I let the dark thoughts that I'm feeling the depth of how scared I am. Take hold of me. I would never walk out the door into that forest but I do it every time even though I know that I might be dying a horrible painful traumatic death and this might be the time I remember. So don't talk to me about having to watch people. Don't talk to me about this. Lack of empathy for the mission. Though talk to me about detachment attachment is the only thing that keeps me going him. Getting tighter scabby ways right. What's so great was there's light. What is this? I Red Light A? It's like an armory cons in these suits. What are these pod? Suits consoles are working in. Here what is this emergency? Override protocol three five seven. Alright Beatrix we can't spend this whole walk in uncomfortable silence. I felt pretty comfortable. Listen if not knowing everything that's going on is is wearing on you. We have a long walk. Let's make a question. What do you want to know? Okay there was An iteration I woke up and I found Bob in a pool of blood in front of my pot in you were standing there with form and told me a sign wouldn't let me keep the pen what what happened. I don't remember much after that but that keeps coming back to me what happened. Bob Got hurt. Bob was hurt. God's Sake Bartholomew you're not gonNA take this seriously. Bob was hurt because Bob needed to be hurt. What we couldn't work with that iterating anymore. How do I know how to do that? Doesn't matter hurry by check. Captain Emergency override. Three five seven four two seven Thapa captain. If you can hear me open these doors or I'm going to blow them open. You really want me to tell you beatrix because there are some things that I think you and Bob are better off not knowing you WANNA know why. Bob was hurt at that time. Why hurt Bob at that? Time was because he was getting too close to information that he does not want to know. Why don't we want to know this? Do you ever think about why we're here? Beatrix why we're on this mission. How we got here. I mean I think about how I'm the Scout. I'm supposed to go out and discover good. Spots for Tara forming create a map of the surrounding area. Which has been difficult considering how many times we've moved but sort of weird isn't it that a ship with a scout A marketing guy and one. Hr person that that's what was sent to tear form a whole new planet. Well I just thought that it was for the good of the mission. It's for the good of the new mission the mission that we have to have now. Now that it's us that's here I don't understand and I don't think you want to party party. Can you hear me but Bob Bob Beatrix working don't have all the time? The ship is an emergency protocols. It's over red believes it's under attack and it's about to take off. What's your on the ship now? Not for much longer. What what do you mean? Why is the shipping is under attack? I'm blown a few of the doors. Open What Book Triangle in your position. Now in case I lose you. Don't move from their captain. Bob Bob Oh my God what do we do? I guess we stay here. Stay here. We have communicator. You can find us. Can't something he. He said he was keeping track of our position. I mean what can we do? We don't have the ship he does. I don't know I'm not GonNa just sitting at this okay. Let's let's do something let's You know not something for the situation just like you know. Keep ourselves occupied. We could build a fort. You know afford their sticks and and and and brambles and and you know foliage all over we can make ourselves a little hut. Okay okay shelter. That's that's step one of survival is is you. You make shelter for yourself in find a good water source and Then a source of food you only have a few days with the water so we can build a shelter. We did okay. There's bridge leaves. Everyone leaves from the trees that are alive but let's get believes that are on the ground already will. There's good mudpit right there. Okay so you can get the money and I'm only six around the could they don't WanNa Terry the six hundred okay. Yeah we're doing. That's good doing waiting. Not Talking doing picks civilized starring. Kristy Bolton Michael Dolinsky Lenovo and Sean Howard Sound Design and music by e mcilveen cover art by Navid. Demaret join us on patriotic for bonus episodes and lots more look for the support is Lincoln at civilized pod Dot Com. We're pretty high up. 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213: Contained

Civilized

23:03 min | Last week

213: Contained

"Humanity's last. Hope to find and settle a new world. A small tariff forming fleet sets out to prepare lifeless planet for the colony ships. Sure to follow in their wake. Civilized. That should do it. How do you feel? Together in Japan whole. Did my best there was a lot of damage but I, mean, between the three of us, we've really come together these last few weeks to fix you up. It's cool. I guess I feel. Like I'm. A quilt. But of meadow. And a building and reval used our own two hands to make you something even better than you were before. I'm really proud of all of us for coming together and doing this you know. Hey. Barty Bartholomew, I'm not sure it's worth correcting you anymore aren't ice. Yes. I was trying to get it right and then I just I was just getting excited. I, I didn't mean to quell your your your excitement Please be excited with party or Bartholomew. I'm here to listen Oh I'm well I just. I was thinking of my Donna Party You know we've all been working so hard work really hard like a lot of work lot of chores and you know fixing up the placen Barricading it. So we can't ever go outside again and and I thought well, we'll maybe you know like I don't know I could make a cake or something or a party. Now that's fun but actually I prefer par Thala Mu. Sor Sorry that was a joke to try and defuse the tension about me correcting again Names. Like. Party is party. Awesome I know that's like a Bob Artie. So Beatrix. Say. Thank you I guess you. Hard. Work. sweaty and you smell out but. I'm almost done. There's just like one more loose hatcher something down here. You Know Oh there's fun lot of cobwebs here. Fighters. Wow it's door is really really rusted. I'm. L I don't know if I can get through here I might need to get Bartholomew bops help. Try. Let me try and open it. I did not know you could make those sounds. Neither. Are you program to sound like you're working hard or stressed. I. Think you know my programming is getting looser and looser every day that goes by yeah. That's He said. It's not a good thing. Is that part of your update? No. It's like. No. I can't feel end anymore. Right And it used to be because I I wasn't there. But now it's just feels like I do just go on forever and I'm so so big and so empty and you guys are clattering around but I I think something's wrong. You feel like an echo. It's like one long bad echo instead of a million. Good once. Bad Jokes aside. I think a party is a great idea. It seems like ever since we got here, there's just been one thing after another and we always have something new to explore an address I I. Thank you I. I get body you don't have to keep explaining what I've got everything made for the party look like. Well that's great because I think that a party is really I it it fakes. To what we need right now, just the chance to take. I know it's okay. You thanks for coming though to the party just. I'm worried because I haven't been able to find Beatrix. Oh. I've asked how but I don't know you know I don't always understand Albert. It's almost like out doesn't WanNa tell me where she is. I I'm sure that's not true. Crazy I mean here let's. Let me. Let me try. Hey al.. Hey, Buddy Listen I was just. I was just wondering where Beatrix is Can you see her anywhere? We're having a party. A. Bharti, we're having a party. It's a joke. It's like Bharti Party. Working Right, now oh I mean that's great. A party will be a nice chance for her to relax where she doing her work at you guys. She'd go helper you should definitely go help down downstairs down in the bowels. Fixing up some, they'll ask parts. Of the. Destroying me incident. I still little hazy about that. Sorry. Sorry. How I know we talked about it a few times A. I. Don't quite remember that. Didn't blow me up. So so sorry about that. the thing I don't remember doing. It you and. Then together. Oh. I guess I could cover up the cakes and cupcakes and. The cookies. I guess that's the thing we ought to do. But Bob I WANNA make sure you you don't feel bad. You say you don't remember what happened now. Sure it wasn't your fault and Oh, you mean about out, not the party. No I I mean the party is your fault. Oh but in a good way because it's a good party over goodful. Yeah. But I mean I'm just GonNa cover these cupcakes I don't WanNa talk about the outfit. I'm just GONNA cover these. We'll we'll go down to the bowels. Okay, we we don't need to talk about the Al just I think sarcasm and anger might just be coded into him. Don't don't worry. I'm. I'm I'm just wondering Before I go get. Bob and Bartholomew can we just curious have a little chat quickly? Bob. Still. Doesn't know, right Really doesn't really know anything I'm more specific. Bob Doesn't know about Bartholomew and I. I know you've kept that secret. Okay, 'cause I just. I just I'm I'm not. I know Barthelme says that it's best to tell him I'm just I'm I'm not ready. Don't want him to feel left out in Bartholomew and I are still exploring whatever this is and I just I'm I it's important to me that Bob doesn't feel. Like he's not included. In the there's enough there's enough friendship to go around So have you been a true together for quite a long time? Well. Yeah. But I, mean. That's why this is difficult as that you know the last few weeks. It's been important to me and and to barth all of you to. Sort of. You know. I don't know. Why. Do you think I've been asking you to turn off your monitoring in our rooms? I. Probably, chat thriving private. At any ideas or anything we're just figuring. was talking we're figuring things out. Or not programmed into me I. Know It's important to me that you keep that secret out. By. ECHO. Shields. Yeah there. Yeah. Yeah. It's Straits, Straits, we're here in the bowels, but there's Beatrix. Isn't it? I mean that that's a good point i. L. You say Beatrix's down here. Where exactly is she? Where are you taking us? I there's so much more of me. Now Heart Place for you all arts times until you're talking. Well maybe we'd better just turn back and you can tell me a tricks to come back and join US maybe. Have the party? Yes. Yeah. The party. Party. I guess. chaser nothing. Oh. Oh okay. A. Why Why is the door? Not Opening. No. One Open. This has been happening a lot today. It's one of those days you know. Unsure this is just a mistake though because this is the door that we just came through like we we just closed it behind us. So I I'm sure it opens right now. No I'll try. Okay I'll. I'll. All the other doors just closed. Again, a little freaked out here. There's absolutely nothing to be worried about. Just Tom and a long encountering a stray helmet on the counter. GonNa. Put It on not expecting anything. Voice. It's nothing really just trying to. Find something to do in my leisure time to. Time while life form your in luck insert name here. Full Registering life-form, would you say you prefer fantasy or sci fi I'm a sci-fi guy every time Sifi. Difference would you say your burn history or historical fiction his? Co. Fiction are you sure I? AM sure finance. I'm. Yes I. Historical fiction fiction. Analyzing. Analyzing. Founded the perfect thing cereal box delivers premium audio and reading entertainment for people who love immersive storytelling. Okay. found. The perfect story for you is marvel's thor metal gods. Yeah. Tunes interesting. Can I give it a try? Absolutely at the first zone is always free. In fact. Daily called it so damn. I mean if it's good enough for daily, it's good enough for me. It one of the most genuinely entertaining or stories of all time opinion is just as good as daily basis. Hey Everyone Bob. Here and civilized listeners can get an exclusive forty percent discount on select titles by going to cereal box dot com slash civilized. That's seer al Box dot com slash civilized. Weird I. Bring some trouble going back. The we came. Your doors keep. Shutting in, it feels like they're all stuck. I think it's just safer right now with this door situation if everyone stays where they are bringing everyone a. Bob and Bartholomew down here to. Our tune tained. What? Bob, and Bartholomew are are safe our and being monitored for their safely t their safety. I'll you've never make mistakes like that? Are you lying to me rehill are can't lie who program a computer to the lie to person. Program a computer to have the Hilton, your voice that imply lying. Oh Okay Everyone needs to listen to me because this is my bunker. Okay. and. You have all live inside of me the bunker out. Right now. Sorry I was pausing the let you continue on. I was being polite because I'm respectful. I've learned things but I'm still in charge. To moderate ongoing situation. Al You're scaring me. This feels like it's escalating really quickly. We spent weeks putting you back together. I thought. I thought we were a team. Thank you, and now that I've been made airtight again, it is time to monitor all inhabitants for potential infection. Forty. Just just breathe. I imagine imagine a field. Very White. Oh, there's a slug on the ground. Oh, that grass poisonous no no. Maybe not not vivid imagining this field maybe not that big of a field just just imagined that you're not encased in a small corridor with closed locked doors all around us I mean, oh, the corridor so small and it's getting smaller. There are doors. Tangents. Leave because they're law. Basically, walls cabinet yours. Oh, a staplers. staplers the thing you pinch the staples and take them out staple movers. Ruler. Balloon. More good you're okay Okay, Oh, cabinets. Okay, oh. All right. Now in trays I know you can hear us out trays Yep. I was listening all of that. and. Thanks for breathing. So heavy, I was able to more accurately address the levels in your carbon dioxide. Will something. Strange is happening now. And I'm not talking about you. Oh, I was talking to me I'm talking about me what. I remember. I remember and I also remember what's behind this. And it's a main power coupling. So al.. You'RE GONNA Open. The doors. or I'M GONNA. Sever your main power coupling to this entire level of the base? I'M NOT GONNA. Let you do that. L.. Listen I don't know what's going on with you I. I don't know what's changed. But. I will go through that door I will I will go through that door if you want me to go through that door just just let me out of the small hallway. Okay. I it's IT'S Taking nervous and I don't know if maybe if I can help by and maybe I can help you I don't know. Let me help you just helping. Go through the door and secure the panel inside. Okay. All right. Which Panel Left. What are all these screens? I've been here before. I've been here before what? What's what's this room? Just all these screens focus. On. Holding you back together please. Out What do you mean? Okay All right. Left left panel Now what? CBS tricks you're not the only remembers. I remember. Bob Your Your Voice. Different what do you? What do you remember a party? What stay sitting down? Stay back. Look. I'm. Not. GonNa Survive this. You have to remember. You have to remember you can't trust how have to. Remember. What are you talked? Repeat after me Then, you can go back to your little dalliances with Beatrix like I. Don't know what you two are up to but right now I need you to remember not to trust out. I. I don't know about little dalliances. Some of them are we weren't hiding dalliances of any size from you. Right you're just meeting secretly in your room every night. Look I. don't care what the two of your to or what you do I trust need you to remember to not trust how okay. I'm GONNA come back and I may not remember. I, don't understand. I may maybe we could take some time to reflect. We could. We could. We could ask a series of questions to calmly explain the situation to me. I mean there's no real. There's a real threat here right where we're just Stein less than ten seconds. He's GonNa Flood this chamber with gas or water is going GONNA kill us and I'm going to stop. Right now What? Bob Extreme systems failure. I heard screaming extreme systems failure. Extremely Extreme. Screens flickering. Oh God there's so many buttons Oh God. It's outside. Focus, focus focus. System reset reset. That's something. All right. Okay. System research just push it just Bush. A Digital. Everywhere. Oh. My God. What have you been hiding? Oh God? Oh. where? AM, I. What are these pots? Off these. People. Hello. Hello. Can You? Can you hear me? SMART. Her. So many bodies. Where am I? There's Thousands. I just made a mistake of. That's all I just made a mistake. There's thousands of them. You that. Everybody makes mistakes. They had. Made a mistake. Civilized. Starring Kristy Bolton Michael Vince Davinci Phil Johnston and Sean. Howard. Sound, design and music by mcilveen. Cover art by Davidge. Day. Meera. Join US on Patriots for bonus episodes and lots more look for the support a slim at civilized pot dot com. or I'm going to sever your main power coupling to this entire level of the base. I'M NOT GONNA. Let you do that Al.. Sayed again to say it again. I'M NOT GONNA. Let you do that of. People. Everyone Sean here, and I have another cereal box title to give a shoutout to again, you can go to cereal box, dot com slash civilized that's seer I L B o x dot com slash civilized and all of the first chapters are free. So go and check out Knox Knx if you like love craft and noir in the sinister in the strange you're going to love knocks it's like a piano Noir dun-rite I just love the different voices and representation in this series and it is so so well. Go and check out Knox and remember you can say forty percent. 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201: Underground

Civilized

16:13 min | 7 months ago

201: Underground

"Everyone Sean here. I play Bob on the show. And one of the CO creators as well and I'm super excited to announce that we have our first sponsor and it's a super awesome book about a young man and unintelligent. I think they're all intelligent talking dolphin through technology. And it's it's about Striking back it's about finding our voice. It's about Helping animals and it's just an amazing sci-fi book and it's by Toby Weston and it's called singularities children the author Toby West and is a software. Developer turns hi Fi author and I just love. The book has a Geek and it it just. It doesn't do any of that silly stuff right where you have sci-fi authors writing about computers that don't get it and yet it's about this amazing relationship and it's about a young group of teenagers who are fighting back against the system and helping animals like I already said and anyways you can tell I love it. I really enjoyed it and you can find it by going to civilize POD DOT COM Slash Weston W. E. S. T. O. N. and now on the show humanity's last hope to find and settle a new world. A small tear forming fleet sets out to prepare a lifeless planet for the colony ships. Sure to follow in their wake civilized. Oh a captain no maybe I mean probably probably not realistically Hello Captain. You sound different I can make my voice lower or higher. If that is how you want to sound I just want to help. Captain pod is different. These these are a true to the original model. There everything is up to up to date buddy story which date I don't I I had to turn off a lot of my memory processors overtime to everything running so I can't remember a lot of specific things but it's fiddle wile. It is true my my name is Bartholomew Bartholomew and you know talk to me in a pretty long time so you can you can just call me or psalm you. That's a great name her I'm very partial to it. It might get confusing. I say Hey Bartholomew and then I guess that would work but suppose there were a third person and they say. Hey Bartholomew third single more view. Well what will what suit Bob? Nice to see you again to reiterate. Where where's where's everyone else? Everyone else of there is no one else. What do you mean? Just kidding. Ha suit her? What are your power levels at very low start considering power disable? Everything not necessary all right. I will disabled such as you know. Humor takes next to no power hundred. No you're going to say okay. Wait a minute. Why have the air handlers turned off in the suit suit? I need I need air I need oxygen oxygen has been disengaged open the open open. Unin watch open all right but it makes me sad that you want to leave so soon I have to breathe suit. Why don't I just open the helmet? Great just open the helmet suit opening. Oxygen feel better. Yes I feel thank you. I guess on the left then well. 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S2 Ep:9 Melophobia... The Fear Of Music

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S2 Ep:9 Melophobia... The Fear Of Music

"And I'll just start this. Are you there? I'm over here. I'm down here on the blue track. So every time that's all with start playing at work. You have a seizure a simple noise. Like, a radio could cause her great pain and distress that would last for several days, which is center into a total episode. Broadcasting from Nashville, Tennessee, offering a glimpse inside the music industry. Shedding light on things. They don't want you to know. And exposing some of the industry's biggest secrets you're listening to the turned up on Jasper presented by real sound productions your your hosts Jay Jones at their betwixt and Robert Venables funny doing. Yeah. Funny. Anyway. Oh my goodness. Why you why you my goodness so much food that was last week? I know that you eat that much food that much food aid a lot of food to I think my favorite thing that I ate was the sweet potato casserole had so much Brown sugar and just tons of marshmallows on top. It was perfect. Sweet potatoes are disgusting. When you go over to your mother-in-law's house who is married to a chef things are better than normal. Okay. You win. Great. Although I am very thankful for the food that I had and it was very funny. What was your favorite thing? My favorite thing. Every year is the stuffing. And I don't I mean, I do like fancy stuffing. But I love just the cheap stove top the red box red box at butter and water, and you're done just as much as any stuffing. That's good. Green bean casserole is number two on the list. Just keeps me off list. They're very bottom of my list is sweet potato my list is cranberry sauce stuff. So I don't love cranberry sauce, but I don't like Turkey at all. What is wrong with you? But I like it with cranberry sauce on it. There was a hashtag going around on Twitter ruin like has Tyurin thanksgiving with four words. And I think the best forward like thanksgiving ruining sentence. I could come up with was. Hey, son, were vegan. How can you have thanksgiving Turkey, but you know, Turkey so for you be like what we had ham. I I thinks giving my entire life to not have Turkey and me last year didn't even miss it. Last year was my first year without without Turkey. We had a HoneyBaked ham. Nice stood in line behind your friends that were in. That's right. Yeah. Weight the tall guy, gray hair. Oh, yeah. Guy Penrod guy Penrod that did you stood in line where at HoneyBaked ham store. Yes. As HoneyBaked ham store, it's in Brentwood. That's a real thing. Yeah. Last year, we ate at a buffet for thanksgiving. Have you ever gone to a place and had duck on thanksgiving? Never me. Neither thought it'd be something fun to talk about. But I've got nothing reducton duck. And what is it was the Christmas story or was that Christmas Christmas that it's defa because they had a Turkey in the oven and all the wolf dog things eight it, and they went to the Chinese restaurant because it was open and they had the foul rabbi. Is that racist? It is today was it yesterday. Again. Yes, that's like the Orientale. Right. Like, so oriental if you call oriental now, that's not does not nice but used to that was just a thing that was like saying Asian. Yeah. Is asian. Okay. I think so I think it depends on who you ask. But I think if you ask an Asia there would be like, Nope. Let's like Mexican. I'm sure it's not long until that's racist. But I'm American because I live in America, technically, Mexicans of in America too. But they live in Mexico. So they're Mexican. Yeah. Canadian you live in Canada, a I guess United States, and is not as doesn't off the tongue as well as American United station. Sounds like he'd say it. We should probably introduce ourselves. Well, my name is Jake Joan. I'm Robert Venable today. We're gonna be talking about podcast things. We're actually not talking about podcasts. We're talking about mellow. Phobia mellow phobia, which is drum roll not gonna tell you. Because I want to tell you about my friend, Robert Venable who sitting across from me who just got his haircut today in a way that he's never had his haircut before ever looks. Absolutely amazing. But he tells me that his head is shaped weird, and I can't disagree with the more. He's very very handsome as the horn coming out from the side a big horn. I thought it was a tumor. I could have a tumor. Oh tumor. Robert Venable is a Grammy nominated Dev award winning engineer producer songwriter was shows Ville music drummer for the band as we ascend who's also drummed for tons of other huge amazing bands and lots of small ones. And. Yeah, like as we send whatever man he's a multi instrumentalist before we started recording. Let me hear some of the guitar tracks. He's been working on. And my mind is truly blown on. I'm going to be without a job there. He soon the guy works the likes of Kelly Clarkson, twenty one pilots and many more anywhere from rock gods to pop goddess isn't princesses. I dunno got us as people. But most importantly, he's an amazing friend about my best friend in the whole world. And and I'm very proud of him as he recently plays two hundred fifty third in the two thousand eighteen world extreme ironing championship. You heard that? Right. I really like you iron your clothes. It is a real thing. Look it up. Of course, rubber, you know, it's real thing because you just placed very high number two hundred and fifty three you are too much too. Nice to me there were only two hundred fifty like four people in the whole competition, and my mom was in there with me. And I think she just stopped halfway through to make me feel better and still got third is that right? It's really tough ironing while crying. It's just it's one of those. You just lost your drink. He thought he'd tickets sip while I was talking big mistake. Huge. Yes. So here was middle. Middle of Akron, Ohio, right outside city hall. Set of stairs that we really liked their shake from from. No on mourning. The loss of his cricket mourning. The loss of my of my world record for the smallest. Yeah. You know what? I mean. Anyway, so well that was bad. Blake it on crooked jumping. I dunno. The previous episodes on that one because I was gonna go in every up every everytime. Akron, Ohio is the me in every single episode bigshot Akron. Yep. So two hundred and fifty four of us. My mom included. We decided to line the streets out there on very cold blistering morning in June. And they gave us all we had to bring our own irons in ironing boards, but they had pre checked certified and all that kind of stuff. And they we knew what we write earning. We had no idea wasn't gonna be gabardine was going to be a wool blend or cotton blend or synthetic polyester, which is tough true story once said done an iron for split-second not leaving it but went to iron a pair of pants over polyester. This was not in the seventies. By the way. And the second that the pants like the very first initial fabric on iron contact it. Just singed turn like melted and turn into this plastic. He syrupy goo which made strings of syrupy Google to the iron, and it just ruined them. And know where your dreams of being in the world ironing championship extreme ironing championship. Yeah. I I was born. Yeah. So I did learn that you have to plug in the irons before you try to iron things, and that tears from weeping do not help make creases in khaki pants. Well, you're very good at it. So wasn't very good at it came next to last. Thanks mom for loving me that much to take place. Very good ironing my dad's better, which is weird. He was military though. So I think they made you iron in the military, and that makes sense every Sunday before church dad would iron clothes a wildly. I used to have to iron my own clothes every Sunday before church, and I got. in trouble if they weren't ironed. So once I turned sixteen fourteen fourteen I had ironbound close anyway, Jake Jones. Hi, hi. Hi there s you wearing a Q base hat today. Lady. I'm not I'm not a lady. Are you? Sure lady, you're tarring lady crank Yankers, right? I'm not very good with TV shows and movies and actors and stuff horrible for to lately. I've. Two for two or two four two for the last two the five hundred before that I was way off. Dude. So you being the shortest member of the band as we ascend at six foot two. And that's not a lie to bam with giants. We should change her name to something we ascended amongst the giants never no never catch on those guys. Just had a record. Check it out. They are actually really good ban young guys, but very very talented and very short. They are all pretty sure sure short guys, but they're really young people. Well to them they are amongst the giants like literally at all times just going to WalMart. We're amongst giants. Make sense, you're the singer and one of well acing her and Egas harp player for the band as we ascend. Formerly of we as human you've got to play all the coolest places, which I wish I could including red rocks. Tell me stories about that place twice to will make it good. She shop. View resurface on social media, recently, gentlemen, if you've seen or not. Yeah. Have you and your Obam mates standing in the lobby but like the walkway by the doors has machine shop? Oh, yeah. The latest kit looking. Yeah, they have. Yeah. You get your picture taken in the hallway. And then they put it up in the hallway, and that's the thing. But it's all that. Anyway, you've got a number one billboard charting song that you mixed co-produce Koiji neared played guitar saying, so do you all the things on rock album of the year? Best new artist of the year, all these awards and accolades, your own recordings to you. Because you mix you engineer you song right with shoals music, you produce and one thing that we haven't talked about yet in the history of turned up podcast, which I'm surprised hasn't shown up yet for the last four years. You've been a beta tester for allergies before they go public and can or something as an actual allergy. They they inject you with it. And see if you're to tell some of the things that the strangest ones that you've had to encounter lately, honestly. And this one is an isn't lately. So they were they were going to. You say so much without saying anything at all Jake. Sorry. I'm being blinded by your gold record over there hanging on the wall. So WalMart was interested in rolling out. This new allergy that they were calling gluten. And so they were they said, hey, we need to come up with an allergy. We're not sure what to call it. And so they had a list of words, and apparently one of their employees sat on it with their glutinous Maximus decided to call it Luton. That's where it came from. And so they said what a great idea will invent this allergy called gluten allergy or gluten intolerance and will roll that out. So it was a beta tester for it. And I told him I don't know. I don't feel good about this one. Literally, you know, I pooped my pants a couple of times, it was very embarrassing that wasn't really different from normal days. Well. No, I felt like it was a little different. The timing was different. Got you. I'm on a set schedule. This was your very regular irregularly. Poop your pants. Yes. And this was irregular expecting it. And and so that moves just a really strange one. And I suggested that they don't they don't do it. You said nee I said a, but they rolled out with it. Anyway. And turns out it was a hit have you ever found? It weird being the only person on the panel about for like beta testing, allergies. Never thought of it. It's weird. I really the only person they told me that we're a bunch of other people. I think that just said that 'cause you kept showing up every day, and they're like what could we do to make him leave? Hey, go home and sleep on this and see what you think. Yeah. Man. It's just really there's draw. Anything pins there? No, needles or anything. They haven't been giving anything doesn't skills that you've been taking. Oh, man. I thought were delicious jobs is marking like all the SS off of the skittles. So he wouldn't tell wait a minute. Is that we know each other. That's where we first met. And then you started following me home. Oh, Robert ridiculous ridiculous. Let's put into this. We have it. We were talking about Maha Hobie was the word. Robert. No that was an I wanted to go somewhere with me for a moment. Again, home headphones off all right. All right. I want you to close your eyes. Imagine you're out doing your usual shopping for chicken nuggets in ironing boards. K the us normal. You're minding your own business. When suddenly you notice a faint noise over the stores speaker system you continue down the aisle trying to decide whether this steel top board is better or worse than the typical cloth top. There are big differences, by the way. They're definitely. You reach the end of the iron board. I'll and you're right Blois speaker. And you realize that what you're hearing is your worst fear. Swing pool of milk in those straws. Second worst fear. Second worst fear. You start to panic. You're breathing gets shorter your heart rate faster. You start sweating excessively. Your mouth is becoming drier than the Sahara desert, and you feel your stomach squeeze as your lunch starts to rise up your SAFA guess a nearby clerk notices you shaking and asks you if everything is okay. But no matter how hard you try your unable to utter a single word. You my friend have Mela phobia, the fear of music really suck for what I do for a living would not be what you did for a living. That's for sure no way, so mellow. Phobia. The fear music the origin comes from the Greek word. Mellow Pia Mopeia. Yes. Like onomatopoeia, right? Some people say mellow DEA. Same thing. It's the art of forming a melody and phobia, of course, meaning fear. Right. Not to be confused with fun of phobia the fear of loud noises, although they can overlap. Yeah. Also, not to be confused with the twenty thirteen caves elephant album thing. I caught Hobe ah or the talking heads record fear music. You're music big breakout one. So if you start to Google this you're gonna find a lot about the talking heads and caves elephant, it was really tough trying to do some kind of research on this without stumbling, you know, nine out of one hundred articles are about cage the elephant. So you have to really dig deep to find something about this. Maybe searched the archives of read it or some other random forums people with different phobias and you'll find some stuff, but we found some stuff we were we found a really interesting vice article that talked about it and they sat down with Dr Dr Marcia Johnson. And so we'll we'll be talking quoting her a little bit in this episode because she works with people with auditory issues and deals with people with Mel phobia, so mellow phobias, no small thing, and it's maybe a little more common than you. And I had thought previous to knowing this even existed. Symptoms include things like extreme, anxiety and panic. Yeah. Yeah. Shortness of breath, rapid heartbeat. Excessive sweating dry mouth nausea in ability. To articulate words and shaking, and we constructed a nice beautiful little story told me story hitting on all of those symptoms. It's a real thing. And that's I mean, those are those are. I'm just reading through them and thinking about anything that would cause all of that at once would be terrible. But especially hearing music, and it causing all of that would be awful and upon doing research on this particular phobia, it's interesting to know that that you can't like a lot of times is not from birth. Sometimes you acquire this. This this fear. This actual. Not a disease necessarily, but this does disease. I would call it a disease. It seems to be more like a mental illness. Sure, you can acquire it later in life at anytime based off of wellness dig into this. Why what are some causes of of mill phobia? Well, most of the time, but not all the time. It can be traced to a mixture of internal predispositions like genetics and stuff. Yeah. All that stuff that makes sense, and a an also some kind of traumatic event now that could be like what we think of as a traumatic event you've got beat or something while there was a song playing. But typically traumatic event is something like just traumatic to your ears. So I mean, I was thinking about this could've been having fun enjoying yourself. But your ears took a beating and create a lot of pain or something or if maybe you at a concert in someone hit the wrong button and blasted the music, and if you're a certain type of person in your brain react certain ways that could traumatize you for life. Even if you're. Eddie young age when this happens or at any age, if you're a certain type of personality where things gets you stick with you and can traumatize you if something like that happened. Then you have this Mela phobia. And anytime you hear music or you think he's played you're scared. You're scared to go to concerts, and maybe it starts there. Maybe it starts like, well, I'm not going to concert anymore because I know what happens also hear music WalMart's when WalMart anymore. I actually if I get in the car, maybe the musical come on turn the car on. So it I I'm magic it could be fairly easy to become reclusive. Yeah. Well, there's a we've got a story about someone very specifically that all of those things go so. For Mela phobias, specifically the greatest causes our tonight's or ring that really high pitched ringing in your ear. Right. Which is like if you I mean, your ears work, like, they're a muscle that muscles and bones. And then a membrane your drum. Right. And those muscles in your ears are just like any other muscle. You can hyper extend them by causing them to vibrate too much. If if the sound is too loud or for too long of time you wear it out and when your ear muscles get sore instead of aching regular muscles. They ring and that that's that's called tennis annoying. It's really knowing especially if you go to loud concerts, most of the time. I'm sure once you get home unless you already damaged or ears too bad. You'll hear that ringing in your ears. That's that's what that is. The other one is nothing. I had heard of prior to to this. Search hyper acuse or Kucice talking about like acoustic, hyper accuses and that is an increased sensitivity to certain frequencies in volume ranges of sound. And so that sensitively could be just a sort of like, oh, I really don't like that sort of sensitivity or it could be a physical like, oh that hurts either or and negative effect or negative implication in your brain exactly make sense to me. So all that is according to Dr Marcia Johnson, an audiologist and clinical director at the organ, the organ tonight is and hyper accuses clinic does a whole clinic about this. There is and because tonight is is fairly common. And I'm what's funny as as we were going through this because you'll we'll we'll talk about it later. You can have this phobia and not know it or no that that's what that is. And and looking back, I have one friend in particular that kind of checks off a lot of these boxes. I remember him constantly wearing ear protection. Really having these big freak outs. If if you ever made a loud noise that, you know. Before he could get his ear plugs. In was he on the spectrum at all, do, you know, I don't think so because I know some people that are on the spectrum or with down syndrome or other people have an extreme sense of since Titi to new ways or sound general. Some of them are giving, you know, earmuffs, or your plugs or something just for being in public wanna try and try not to give details away with this guy was a very very well known musician taint. Okay. Keep going doesn't mean that he wasn't any of those things. But I don't think so. Gotcha. So. What does Noah phobia, look like bluish around the edges sharp sides? I could picture that nothing like that. Okay. I was way off phobias actually typically a fairly rational fear man is one of those things that because of the wide range of frequencies associated with music, you know, the highs and lows in the louds and the quiets it can easily triggering episode of tonight is in those who are easily susceptible. It's hard saying that word sometimes septa up the Bill. The Bill for the same reason music civically can be extremely painful for those with hyper accuses or a Kucice essay 'cuse. Like flows up a little better for this reason is not uncommon for chronic sufferers of these conditions turn their rational caution into an irrational fear, and that's important in an effort to avoid the problem altogether. So that a rational fear is when people begin to cross the line into mill phobia. Okay. So. Yeah. So it makes sense. It's I went to a concert it hurt. My ears like hesitation for two weeks might ears rang. And I couldn't sleep now that it's gone away. And yeah, just what you said I never ever want to ever do anything that could even possibly may be remotely caused that to ever happen again. And so they go too far the other way and wear your plugs to to drink their coffee in the morning, right? And there are people who who funny there are people who get in car accidents and will never ride in a car again or will wear a helmet while they're driving just because they had a head injury from being in a car wreck. And it's not it's not totally irrational. But can become a little like, okay? Hey, that's a little much. But yes, same way with this. Like, we said earlier go to a loud, concert, pleasure, Drome or something. Well, not doing that again or scared or what if what if that happens while we're shopping at Kroger with if someone hits the wrong button. Nope, not going, suddenly, you're close. Yeah. And and as you'll see. In in this vice article, Dr Johnson actually tells a story of kind of what this looks like because it's a pretty extreme. So in two thousand ten vice posted an article, titled the fear of music or just fear of music scary. Dr Johnson tells the story of one of her patients that will call Jane. She can't tell what the what the gals real name is Jane makes sense Jane suffers from hyper accuses and as a result is locked in her bedroom. Twenty four seven unable to leave for more than just a few minutes at a time. Oh, yeah. Her hyper accuses was triggered by the onset of arthritis while she was in college studying singing. Ironic. Well, while the our threat is didn't directly affect her hearing whatsoever. It did cause immense to billeting pain in her joints and muscles and everything that arthritis does resulting in her having to drop out of school and give up her and Bishen for musical career starting to get a picture. So she's associated in this pain with the loss of her music career, basically. Yes, she saying, you know, I I will never get to have a career in music because I'm having to drop out of college. I can't I mean in this article talk about literally her classmates had to carry her to her to her classes. She was that's the only way she was able to get through college. And so while I would argue we'll know you don't have to give up on your dreams. She did. And so she's like I can just never listen to sound again. I can't listen to music too. Yeah. So the depression and psychological distress that it caused allowed her to only be able to tolerate about fifteen minutes of any kind of noise whatsoever. But especially music, and the human voice the radio per day. Per day. Fifteen minutes a day. You can't do anything. And you can't turn the blender. No, TV definitely no blender not. But like, even well, I mean, you had a house creaky floors. You'll see a simple noise like a radio could cause her great pain and distress that would last for several days, which is Senator into a total episode. So we say MRs mental, right? Not like insulin negative way. But this is like literally a mental thing this. Maybe it's like psychologists could help you get over. We'll right. Well, we'll we'll get there. Okay. So she had to wear earplugs. Ninety nine percent of the day even limiting her exposure to things like a ceiling fan or soft outdoor noises birds chirping or the wind or whatever things. Yes. She couldn't even do that. He's so this Dr Johnson said that she had to treat her with with therapy. Of course. But because of her phobia could only speak with her a total of about fifteen minutes. We ask cumulatively like fifteen minutes. So maybe a minute here. Maybe write down things or emailer. I I don't know. So this was two thousand ten quitting music. Maybe a psychologist. So Jane couldn't bring yourself to leave her home. And that's why had to be over the telephone. And yeah, Jane was twenty three years old at the time that she was having treatment. And I don't know the follow up on Jane. But that is a you can't just leave me hanging. A great example of the day in the life of someone with Mila phobia. So this is along the same lines as music genetic Pelosi and audio genyk seizure disorder. I could see the comparison, you know, that sound triggering something in your brain for sure, I definitely would say that while I know plenty of people who would look at someone with Mela phobia NBA like, oh, you baby. Get over it. Somebody with music genyk epilepsy. Step up here. It's no laughing matter. So in two thousand eight twenty five year old Long Island woman named Stacey Gail was actually diagnosed with music genyk epilepsy. It's untreatable by medicine and the cause of her frequent grand mouse, seizures remained a mystery until she started noticing that every time get this. Sean Paul's song temperature. So every time that that's all with start playing, you know at work on on shuffle in our car at a party on TV. She'd have a seizure. Wow. I remember this making the news is not ridiculous. So it turns out the specifics frequencies that are using the song. Like just the way it happened in Jake you, and I we produce music for living and a lot of times, we're not thinking about specific frequencies interacting as far as this note ads this note, like a Mathis waging could create these kind of overtones or harmonic. Just to get completely nerdy with you like. Four hundred and forty Hertz. A in the scale is how reference are pitch. Just just definitely have to know. But there are resonant frequencies if you play that note on it gets har- that'd be at eight hundred eighty hurts. This is double as well as two hundred and twenty Hertz and a half as well, as you know hundred ten hurts fifty five hundred is really low and goes all the way up to where he can't hear it. And when you add that to another note in the chord, there are other frequencies that appear and you and I know this because we're nerds, and we do for living concede on spectral graph. And we can figure it out, and we can hear it. And why is that harmonic coming? The whole another thing those are called overtones and undertone and harmonica and things that just happened are generated that aren't we're not we're playing in a in a c- together. But it's might be creating another note summer side, note, total gonna rabbit trail just for a second. Go save that thought saying pen in two thousand seventeen are banned as we send our very first show ever in not Akron, Ohio. But at at Woodlake. Yeah. Just outside Akron. And so we have a song called tell me. It was is our number one hit. Yeah. And the song starts off with this really deep low rumble based pan. You might hear the beginning of our podcast. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's the song. Every episode every episode that's the song. So that low base whenever you're on stage. And it starts playing it's blasting two sub woofers. I mean, it shakes the stage. And that's the only thing playing win the vocals come in. When I start singing loop. Yeah. And so that's what I'm listening to to find my note to find my own which in a studio or isolated situation or car or ipod is very easy to find reference to that note totally but on that stage because there wasn't just one sub woofer. There were like eight on each side. There were plenty of them. They all were balancing off of different things on the stage. They were bouncing off of trees and the people in the crowd, and the everything and blending together to create overtones and harmonica that generated a different note than what was actually playing. It's real life this happens. So in my ear. We we didn't have any day. No, we're just using floor wedges used in years. But I don't eat him. Trump's that base was so overwhelming that I heard a note that I was that was not real. And that was the note that I thought I was supposed to be singing too. And it sounded clear as day. I mean, it didn't it wasn't confusing. I heard it just perfectly perfectly clear. I'm like. Oh, okay. There's no. And you saying authority you came in with like, this is the nominee do because you heard whatever that resonant frequency was. Until you realize that sounds weird when you start playing guitar. Yeah. All of a sudden our other singer and guitarist Justin for Shaw, he starts singing his part, like, wait a minute. He singing the wrong thing. I had no idea. What was going on? Oh, no. I'm singing the wrong thing. And I mean, it's totally bizarre. It's it was a it was a mind game. You know, once you like whenever you if you ever look at an image, and you perceive, it you've seen we've seen those online you. Yeah. You know, you look at it. And it's confusing. You can't tell what it is until you until you're I finally locks into it. And then you can't see it. No matter how hard you try. It's like now all I see every time. I look at that image that thing as stink in Jahra land. Laurel Yanni thing yet? I can only hear certain way now so L. Yeah. Also, the goal dress blue dress. So yeah, the blue dress turns out, it was blue and black like the people who who owned it normal people said that that's what it was. And there's a whole shoe thing paint. Yeah. So the problem for me that day on stage was that song was blue and black. And I was seeing golden I was hearing golden white in my ear and started singing, golden light. And then I turns out I was wrong thing. Black and yellow there's little black and yellow video of it online. And I wanted to go away. But it won't probably the most place have on video would probably. Yeah. So, but that's just approve your point even further that there are extra notes and harmonica and other frequencies that are generated when multiple frequencies blend together. And we don't think about those. Sometimes we do if we hear them or maybe, hey, let's just watch some build up or in the mixing mastering phase, we see spectral graph. That will what does that? And then you start hearing can't hear it. However. It just happens life. That's what I mean. Even talking in a room right now. There are reflections going off. If you sit on the other side of the room, you'll hear a different frequency than I might hear over here. We listened some songs, and you heard the silver a lot lot more base over where you're sitting them where I was sitting anyway, so Stacey. Gayle her. Sean Paul's temperature start having seizures. It's like an episode of Seinfeld commercial everytime. I commercial played they'd have seizure anyway. So this was actually confirmed by her doctor a shush meta who had to perform multiple brain surgeries to cure. Stacey of this rare form of epilepsy. So incredible. What doctors do the knowledge, and like, you know, what you're having seen every time. You hear that song? Let me root around in there with a stick for a minute. Burn save, Dan. It's gonna cut the red wire. And see what happens, and how do you test that like, okay, you're wake? I just one more thing. I want to say I got the right thing. It's okay. So are you ready for this go? So while she could she could pinpoint it to that song specifically. Yeah. You know? Of course, there are other things in the world and in her life that were also hitting those same frequencies. She was a Bank teller and might be at work and have a seizure or two or five or seven. In. She was let go from her job after having ten Caesar's one day. She also saying on her church's choir. Yeah. That didn't work out. Wow. Had to quit quizzing at church. Oh, but she specifically recalled hearing choose remembering. Oh, yeah. I was at that party and Sean temperature came on. And I was just thing you remember. I was jamming to Sean Paul's temperature jumped up on the bar. And then boom, he'll know that'd be awful. So what this doctor actually did was got her got her in the room plugged in some headphones and put on the song and sure enough so they opened up her skull and put a bunch of electrodes then to find out where in her brain was happening. So incredible lead closed it all back up. So they hadn't fixed anything yet. Just a monitor it. And while she was out. They started playing on. Sure enough her brain started freaking out, and which I feel like my brain might do that every time Connie west comes on. I just have a seizure. My brain's just like us. Sucks. My I have a seizure happens in my right arm hits the little dial. It turns it to me. Oh, it makes sense. It's crazy. Every time. I hear I. Okay. So we do we have the same certain artists. You must have audio genyk seizure disorder only on the right arm. Right arm, only during on US tweet me. But but no. And so once they figured out what part of her brain, this was happening in they opened our backup took the electrodes out and literally just removed the portion of her brain that that was having these seizures a little bit of a lobotomy, and she hasn't had a seizure percents. That's great has she done anything ever since just to clarify as far as I know her life is totally normal. That's cool. I'm going to tweet her find her I'm gonna find Stacy on Twitter, and we're going to talk. You should actually if you if you look for you'll find her she's not very hard to find online. But so what exactly is? Music oh, genyk epilepsy or oughta eugenic seizure disorder. Like, really like, we we know that this woman was listening to a certain song, and it was causing her to have a seizure, but let's dive into that just a little deeper. I think we should according to Dr Marcia Johnson certain sounds or tones K music can stimulate the central nervous system in a way that provokes a brain seizure. But then she continues and says, quote, I seen quite a few of these cases over the years are often induced by closed head injury or an illness. Interesting. I recall one fellow who was in a rear end whiplash car accident a two thousand Hertz to kilohertz pure tone was presented to his left ear in a sound booth. I at zero decibels, which you know, you can't hear it doesn't exist and then raise slowly one display at a time. He went into a grand mouse seizure about twenty decibels, which is pretty off Jake. I mean, you're thinking concerts are anywhere from ninety one hundred and twenty decibels just so loud, really loud. But twenty decibels. I mean, that's pretty quiet. That's that's quieter than like Carlos. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So another such patient following a similar car. Accident suffered complete loss of consciousness consciousness learning. How to talk when trucks roared by with their lower frequency rumbles, which is true. So if you ever sitting in your house and your. Truck drive by sometimes you can hear before it really gets there. You're the. And then you hear the brake brake squeal or whatever, but she would follow the ground since Lewis in that case, I suggest that the neurologist conduct a resting EEG. And this showed that her brain was normal when resting in a quiet environment. When an audio monitor was attached via headphones and stimulus at five hundred Hertz, which is I mean, mid low is not low. It's not like super sub frequencies or anything though who. Yeah. Yeah. Did that together those fun? But the middle free was presented her brain EEG showed epileptic type activity. Now, all these situations are truly rare more common lighter form of this issue is known as toil syndrome and is typically treated in dizziness or balance clinics, which I didn't know there was such a thing as dizziness for balanced clinic. And it is really interesting are are years and the fluid in our ears, which we all have normal and sh should be rising and falling throughout the day for different reasons normally. Yeah. But completely affects our sense of balance equilibrium. Yeah. Like a little level that you use in in a garage while you're building with wood sea level a little liquid bubble. Yeah. Our brains do the same thing. It's true statement. So if you have Mila phobia. Just kinda screwed. Will you were asking earlier? And there are some things that you can do so Mela phobia is as with. Bumble all phobias. It's a it's an issue of the mind, just wrapping your brain around too much. Yeah. And and so first of all if you want to treat it you have to try to get to the cause if you can so some doctors might prescribed drugs, but just like with anything drugs might help quell the symptoms, but won't won't solve the problem. You know, just like, you know, if you if you're depressed, you can get on any depressants, but that's not gonna fix your depression. You know, you might need to see someone figure out what's causing your depression, and then try to med. So what was that show better? Call Saul the guy who wouldn't go outside because he thought he his brother. Brother. Yeah. Yeah. Kristie allergic to trinity that that's created by the phone lines. Or trysofi lines or even the son. So he has whole house foiled up, and so interesting total rabbit trail. But I know you've never really do find out if he really was really wasn't. I think you do really. Yeah. Go back and watch it. Okay. So good. I wouldn't mind watching it again. It's a great show breaking out of the movie what we're gonna or rumors of it or something really going to Google that right now why you continue talking. I'm back those crawl out of this rabbit hole. Crazy so so treatments for Mel phobia. Probably something I would do if I had it is counseling and rehabilitation pretty simple, the counselor or or Dr will expose the patient to common. Sounds and soft music for limited periods of time starting with a very brief exposure. And then. Extending the time allowed is that their peak continues, the ideas that the patient is able to eventually learn that normal everyday sounds or music reasonable level aren't going to hurt them. Because that's typically their their biggest fear is that Ono while the music at WalMart is going to cause me to have tonight is again. Yeah. And then, of course, in the example of that girl. She was so hurt and distraught by the fact that she had to give up on her dreams that just the idea that anything in the world was making sounds was completely unbearable for man. And there's oddly enough there is in some ways that I could really to that. I was in a band. We were doing really, well we were on our way up and then for reasons completely outside of my control the band came to an end and for that for a brief moment. I was worried I thought that my dreams were over all this work, and and pain, and and just everything that I had put into this for years was just gone. An instant. And I didn't want to listen to music. I resented every band. I just hated everything for for a minute because I was like man, I just heard about my own stuff. And I got over it very very quickly and started another band, but I couldn't which are cooler will in a couldn't start a band until I got through that. Because initially I was like I don't want to be in another base that break-up. It was a better girlfriend anyway. Oh, can you side notes? Mooch side notes. Yeah. It was confirmed as of November seventh that breaking bad is coming out with a new movie at two two hour long movie, which could end better call Saul. Look it up. So I heard that they signed on for another season, but this movies in the works press. Like right now. I know. I mean, we knew that was finite because of injury they have to catch up. Yeah. To breaking bad can't go on forever, but they do throughout better. Call Saul show bits of after breaking bad the beginning of every season, you know, and the last two or three seasons. If you watch him back to back string together in one story is true, which I did recently, we digress. Anyway, another treatment for Mela phobia is hypno- analysis or hypnotherapy which is exactly what it sounds like. They're about that. Right. Well, so get this. This is really interesting for me, therapists, speaks of the patient speaks of the patients sub-conscious hypnotize ING them and retraining their mind to associate good thoughts and feelings towards music. It's quick it's safe. It doesn't require any kind of medicine doesn't doesn't take too long. But the interesting thing is is to me. I would. Instantly assume, oh, well, that's holistic not that all holistic things are bad. But that's just a nice idea. And you know, that's cool. If it works there's scientific, but it's backed by the American Medical Association, aiming you watch any documentary on Netflix and know that that could be sketchy though, I mean, it could be but the political bull, and it's it's been back since nineteen fifty eight and never challenge smoking was. All right. Then is true. But since then the AMA said smoking's bad, but they haven't said that him therapies bad. But let me what am gonna get. To is therapy doesn't cause cancer Jake. We'll find out. No. But the thing is it's it's a mind thing. So even if being hypnotized in the way that we think of as being hypnotized, you know, where you're just like not in control of yourself anymore or like a pocket clock. That's right. So so even if that's not real, and I'm not saying, it is or isn't. I have no idea try to hypnotize. My brother wants it didn't work I've tried to hypnotize myself. But, but regardless if it even if it doesn't work that way, we're talking about a disease of the mind, and that is literally controlled begins and ends with your thoughts. And so this is an example of any kind of placebo should a person genuinely truly believe that it works would cure them. Because it's not a physical issue in any way, which your brain is very powerful and can do that. I mean at placebos for really work, they work with actual physical elements. If you don't know. Placebo is actually just sugar pill. It's just a pill naive. I mean, these calms sugar pills have sugar in them anymore, but just the pill. Does nothing there's no medicinal qualities to it whatsoever. It's just a trick your brain thinking. Hey, take this pill. I'm helping this problem. I have I'll get over this cold faster by taking this cold pill, which pills, really nothing. Well, in fun fact, every clinical trial of any medication that is ever allowed to be for sale involves a fifty percent blind placebo. So that means that out of a hundred people that agree to go through the medical trial of this new medication half of them. Fifty those people are going to be taking placebos, but not knowing they're taking placebo. Right. But no, no is blind. Yeah. So they don't know double blind. So no one knows whether they're taking the real one of the placebo. And then at the throughout this study, they they checkup continually about symptoms and different things aggressive whatnot. And so the idea. Being that if the actual medication does just as well as the placebo, then there's just the medicines not really doing anything. But people's minds telling that it is. But it's very interesting to look at those studies, I take a medication every day. And and so I researched the study of it and stones vitamins are not medication Jake. Yes, they are every day. I don't even chew him. Just swallow him. The red ones are not doesn't make them any special any more special than the bamboo. No breads. No, you're. Wrong. Take take your take your take your. Take your pocket right pocket. I'm impressed with your ability to fake chew. Wow. Sounded like you really drink something in shoot something. But you didn't really show anything that's drink something. He's it. So so that makes it I don't know. That was just a fun thought. Fun fact, another the Netherlands fund it is. And do you wanna talk about this one in L P, so neuro linguistic programming basically in a nutshell? It's the study and practice of how we create our reality. The basic premise of NLP is that the words that we use reflect an inner subconscious perception of our problems. So if these words and perceptions are accurate, they will create an underlying problem as long as we continue to us into think them, you know, make this whole mental thing in our brain is really powerful, so our attitudes. Are you know in a sense a self fulfilling prophecy in this therapy? A neuro linguistic therapists will analyze every word in phrase patient uses to describe their. Items or concerns about their health in therapist will then examine the patients facial expressions and body movements. I'm guessing they video this go back analyze it. Brian you'd have to there's no other way to I mean, that's really good. So after terminating the problem or problems, the therapist will help their patient understand the root cause and therapists will help them reshape their thoughts and mental associations in order to fix their preconceived notions. And you hear about this a lot. But I guess you don't really realize it's called in L P or neuro linguistic programming. Just hear people saying, hey, your your thoughts can determine in in project your outlook for the day and can change the pattern of you know, all that kind of stuff. But apparently, there's some truth behind that growing up in the type of church that I that I grew up in they speak very often of how your words shape, your reality much, the same God spoke creation into existence. What do you believe that? Or not. It's it's a fact that the words that we use in the thoughts that that that we have definitely do affect us because it's perception is reality. And that is true. That's not. A weird holistic thing. That's scientific fact whatever, you know, whatever, you perceive is what you genuinely believed to be real Robert says something and my perception of it is that he was being rude. As far as I know. And as far as I'm concerned, my tire realities that Robert is rude. Whether he is or isn't. And so he is. What's even more interesting with that is that's a very an just here's a here's a free tip for you listening right now. That is a wonderful life hack is recognizing that everyone's perception is their reality, especially as pertains to trying to defuse any kind of hostile or angry sort of organs ordeal with children or the exactly deal children late night. I don't wanna go to bed because blah, blah, blah might happen to you. That's completely irrational that there's a monster. That's gonna suck your brains out. But to them, they think that's a reality. It's real to them as in the grass in the front yard cartoons. They're allowed to watch that happens. So like, you have to convince them look that's stupid. You can't say that. But you have to be like, I see you have a fear of this happening. Let me show you how this isn't going to happen or maybe I can protect you or whatever. Yeah. I always used to you know, kind of take up this idea if someone was upset with me for something that wasn't true. For instance, you know, somebody might be upset because they misunderstood something. That I said I would just kind of a very blase attitude like, well, it's not my problem. That's not what I meant. So I'm not going to apologize. I'm not going to do anything about that. 'cause they're wrong. That's not what I meant. But then realising that will is far as they're concerned as far as they know that is actually what you meant that xactly. And so that the kind of helps you take your own, you know, pick up a little bit of your own responsibility and say I need to fix this issue myself, even this not what I meant to them. That is what I meant regardless of what I think so. Yeah. Fun. Fact, we can move on. Because if you've noticed he's been getting a little little bit more bizarre as we've gone we're getting out there. You put something in the notes, which I'm not exactly familiar with about energy psychology. And I don't know what that is. So as hoping you would expound on that a little bit. So I've heard of this before and I've heard of it used to treat all kinds of things, especially like, depression, and an old friend of mine with an eating disorder went to this and swore that it worked and she told me about it. And I thought it sounded crazy psychology energy psychology. So I I've never heard call it that it was actually. Referred to it as letters. It was three letters. And I I looked it up. But ABC's. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. So she would go read her aby. No. So energy psychology is a type of therapy that uses various techniques like acupressure, yoga, Tai Chi. Quite on all the things, and what what my friend us energy medicine. So which just the thing a little out there for me. So all of this is designed to teach people simple steps for making changes in their lives. The techniques stimulate energy points on the surface of the skin which when paired with specific psychological procedures can shift. The brain's electro chemistry while this type of Europe is still contra very controversial area. I can imagine it appears to be very helpful with dealing with phobias, and you know, specifically dealing with the energies, they talk about energies and Auras here that a lot especially being in the music industry. Like, I are we here people come into the studio talk about the energy or the vibe or the aura or the colors. They see around us about say colors. I've dealt with a lot of artists many from other countries to who will say you've got a really good or I could see a little purple here. I on what that means. But I just say, thank you. And if that's important to them, then I'm glad that I was the right color, or whatever that is. Well, in in, you know. There's people that will use stones different types of of molecules. And there are people who take it very much to the spiritual crystals and stuff. But there are people who will argue that. Well, it's the molecular structure, the that changes energy. I mean, we know that energy is real can get into the planet's aligning certain ways or the way the moon is overhead right? Just energy. I once went with my wife, I think we're married at the time. Yeah. To a doctor in Phoenix where they used energy to heal the back problem. She had. And again to me the whole time. I'm sitting there trying not to laugh thinking this is a bunch of just skies a quack like not toucher, but rubber hands like his hands above her a few inches above her skin just from head to toe back and forth back and forth. Like, oh Clinton. Does this hurt over year? Does your back hurt on this part? It's like, yeah. I'm like, babe. It's like everybody's back there. As a four hundred year old man, I can tell you my back's been hurting there for centuries. She she she was all about it. And her dad too and to me, it was just weird. And that's just because not saying that it's right or wrong, a real or fake or whatever it is. And maybe that kind of coincides with the mental thing the placebo effect, if they say, hey, your energies, no line here. I can align your energy, and they think mentally now my energy is aligned my back wanna hurt anymore. It could happen again back to perception is reality if their perception is one hundred percents that that works or that worked than their realities that it did. And to me, I'm going they no way now when you're dealing with physical ailments. I don't know. I mean, like like we were saying the mind is a strong thing. But if specifically like a phobia that is a hundred percent mental. The naked very much understand why these might work very very well. And I mean, the reason they're listed here is because they're commonly used techniques because your work sharp, and these are techniques that are used like I said with my wife, they're not just for physical ailments, but you know, for mental illnesses and seemed to bring positive changes in the lives of those who try them make sense. Yeah. So I was looking on forms online trying again trying to scour the internet for anything having to do with Mila, folk limping and it's tough. It's a real thing and people have it. But they're not a lot of there's not all resources for it. We'll talk about this here in a minute. But it's a lot of people. It's not that uncommon. The people typically are very embarrassed by it. I can understand why you don't hear about it so much. So I found a forum on fandom about Mel phobia. And this one Nana Caesar says, quote, I went from a classically trained. And coloratura soprano whose entire life was accompanied by music of all genres rock folk classical jazz to a weeping quivering wreck who could not bear the sound of TV commercial jingle following the death of my husband. I had never heard of anything like this. Neither had my therapist over months and months of a unique treatment we came up with suitable for me, I was able to get things under control. What I did was I began to sing a narrative of whatever I was doing around the house. You know, I kinda do that by the way. A kind of narratives of everything I do me to especially to my kids driving in my car. This guy doesn't know how to use the signal that is out of blinker fluid. What happened to him? I used to have the worst road rage. Like, I had the worst road rage do. And that is that is how I completely got rid of my road rage. One hundred percent in sync to people. I think it's fine that you say you completely got rid of that I have ridden in the car with you recently am like I'm gonna die really not that bad. Remember that tour? We went up north usually I'm just really cast. We were in the car for like, thirty hours. This is true, literally, literally thirty hours, and you drove more than I did. Okay. Close almost absolved my road rage almost we'll put it at a good eight percent. Listen it helps. Okay. Okay. Enjoy getting mad. Why she fist I mean? Anyway. Okay. Back to the quote. Where did I leave off? I was reading a quote from this anonymous person. Okay. So they began to sing. And they're of whatever they were doing run house. Okay. Says a kind of operatic rec- recited HIV. Makes sense that going to be my best guess for that word for as long as I could. It was silly. And it made me laugh the laughter helped the most I think so it kind of as you want to call it broke character for what normally he or she would be weirded out or hesitant about or scared of or you know. Wow. Fearful of the laughter completely broke that character. And it was like, oh, that's funny. I can get my car. I can turn on TV as funny. What am I doing? Yeah. It's funny anyway, so singing to yourself, which is kind of. I mean, I guess if you have arachnophobia you're scared of spiders, putting a spider in your pocket is like the opposite of should be doing. No, no. So so okay to that. Specifically technophobia I used to. I mean, if I was in the same room as a spider. I there was nothing else. Like think about. It would scare me so bad. I had to deal with it right now. Okay. I lived in may possibly still live in. I live in a house on a lot of property. Lots of grass, lots of trees and lots of spiders. What's very would in house of what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like very rustic wood and on acreage is like a huge amount of acres of woodland there. There we saw deer and all sorts of things pieces of deer. Second wildlife, you know, their habitat you're living in right? And and so I started seeing more spiders than I could handle and was forced into a situation where okay, I can either be terrified one hundred percent of the day or I can get over this really fast. Yeah. And so what I wound up doing was some research. I researched. Sure did every kind of spider that I saw as well as other types of spiders in the area, and what kinds of spiders, poisonous, what kinds of spider poison are deadly which kind just hurt which and everything so much so true that there was a spider in my bathtub a couple of weeks ago. And I wanted him in my studio because that particular spider eats, other kinds of spiders that are really bad. Yeah. And so I tried to catch it and bit me it bit me on my finger. And it didn't. I mean it felt like a pinch. And it might have startled me a little bit. But it didn't bleed if there was poison. I definitely didn't feel it, and I wound up catching the spider, and I put him in my studio, and he's far is still in there. Eating bad, spiders and bad bugs where we're we what city or state Moore where where we went on a Brown recluse hunt. And we found several was that Ohio. I mean, you could just say Ohio, and it's a pretty solid guess, I think we were in Ohio, I'm fairly certain. We were in Ohio we found six and one night. We've found a whole bunch of Brown reclusives, and we couldn't find our problem was not being able to find other bugs to feed them because we wanted to have like a battle royale in the plastic cups that were in the hotel room. We eventually just put all the Brown reclusives in one jar last man standing and the biggest one eight them all. Yeah, they won. They were just like spider bits the next morning. We posted videos social media counts for that. They give us a huge discount on that room. If not for free. I can't remember it's a little finagling too. Because I the guy there was a young guy a kid, I even say working the front desk like the late shift, and he's like we'll just wash them, right? Or like, we just said we found six Brown reclusives in the room that we were staying in very very first. He was like, oh, it's not a Brown. Clues. Well, here it is Google, and here's the spider. I've got it right here. Yeah. This is to hold it. The epitome of if you don't think it is. Said how much she willing to bet on this? Well, and and Brown reclusives, so I was thinking no one in my family was allergic because my house last year was infested with them. Yeah. And when I say infested, I mean, not even last year this year almost last year while we live in the south. It wasn't six that we've found three in the hotel room. We found six in my home matter of about what ten fifteen minutes just because we decided to look we found one. I write we found one everywhere we looked and I think it was time to eat dinner. So we just quickly found three in the hotel room. We found six in in a room in your house because we were like this look for seeing any like there's probably were one is oh there's two there. They are. And and I thought there's no way that there's this many and we've never been paid. And and we hadn't so I just thought because like poison Ivy not everyone is allergic to Brown recluse bites. That's a fun fact when when you see photos of people with big nasty holes in their schedule the worst ones who are very allergic to them. Yeah. That's so that's not. I mean, yes, it's the venom. But it's their bodies allergic reaction to the venom. Right. And and not everyone's allergic. In fact, only ten percent of the population is actually allergic to Brown. Recluse? Venom. Who has altern percent of that? Yeah. So come to find out. My wife is one of those people. And the other fun fact about Brahma Cluses is that their mouth or John is so small that they cannot bite of their own volition, the the flat human skin what they need is added pressure. So wrong you step in your shoe a sock or issue if you roll over the on them in bed. Yup. And in her case, she had a pair of stretchy nyc pants and one I guess maybe left him in the floor picked him up put him on. And I think she went to go potty and noticed noticed a red spot that was really hot and hurt. And it was only freaks me out do matter twenty four hours before it was incredibly evident that it was a Brown recluse by and I will I didn't see the pictures. But my wife, I was texting with your wife about it. And seeing the pictures back and forth, and I've seen my wife's reaction to the picture. And she'd be like, Ohio, Ohio, she Dr six or eight months ago. Yeah. Yeah. Ish and she will forever. As far as I know and still to this day as a massive. I mean, the size of the of the infected area, I say mas- not that big. But pretty the size of the spider is, you know, a nickel in the size of a half dollar. Scar where the skin. Yeah. It was. It was bad. It was bad. It took a lot of medicine. A lot of trips of the doctor just to we were wait where we on that trip where we went Bremmer clues hunting in the hotel when you were telling us about this or wins was happening. Probably. And you're like, oh, man. This is gross. It's weeping. I'm like, no, don't use the word weeping us. All that's I would not have used that word because to it for the word to describe pimples, use that with poison Ivy and Brown reclusives. Yeah. Anyway, 'cause we're and it really gets the it's pretty nice rising home. That's pretty nice. We need to talk about we need to get back to Mel phobia. All right rabbit about rectify this, let's wrap up mellow phobia. So here's some random facts and fun facts about Mela phobia, number one, most Mela phobic patients are not actually Rockstars. So when we're talking about mellow people Mel phobia, you know, it's typically caused by. By tonight us right acute, not even chronic acute tonight is or hyper accuses which still hurt like crap. You would assume that it would be people who are in rock bands. Loud music from IRS. Hip hop rap. You know, just loud low base aggressive all the time. Yeah. False what most Mela? Phobia patients are in orchestras philharmonic's or symphony groups or are piano players like Liberace like Liberace last up soda, Mello phobia. Maybe that's all was all of his problems and PS. I heard that he might have died of botulism and not aids. Which is the spoiler to what they said he died of the heart attack thing earlier. I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, go on well, so do the loud in the the reason why it's those people in not Rockstars is because the those are loud groups of instruments. It's an orchestra could be hundred people all being ousting. Yeah. Yeah. The same songs, and you know, a band that's louder than amplifier or a pair drums when you've got three drum sets or snares and horns and everything blasting in your face and really annoying if it's a high school band well in the price on the thing to to take in consideration with with those people, you know, people in symphonic bands. And and philharmonic's is that they tend to also practice much more. Yeah. Then people in band, so they might spend six or eight hours every single day practicing their tuba or their French horns or and then go get on a stage. And you know in front of. A hundred other musicians all again doing it. Yeah. And so the end they'll do that constantly, and and they also typically start a younger age, and so they're exposing themselves of these loud noises, but sooner so the damage that's caused by the time. They're in their early twenties is significant I started in seventh grade officially in band, and my daughter is in fifth grade starting right now while crazy number two fun. Fact that is random about mill phobia is it's common for people with condition to actually have it and not know that they have it. So maybe there's some kind of hesitance. I don't know why I don't want to not big fan of concerts. I don't wanna go to concerts. Just don't wanna I don't know. I think I'm gonna stay in the house tonight makes sense. I mean, I was talking about my friend earlier. And I would I mean, I know he doesn't if he does have it. He doesn't know he has it. Maybe you know, I think it's just he's he's just convinced himself that's normal. So fun fact number three numerals race the biggest hell tale sign. Someone has Mela phobia as their excessive and unusual use of earplugs. So we're just talking about. You're going to the grocery store, and like wait any to put my my ear plugs in or you know, you're just you're just driving somewhere. And they're like, no, no, no way. We will. You gotta put your plugs in. That's a that's a good good sign right there that they might have mellow phobia. So fun facts number four while Melby is not limited exclusively to music, the loud, nature, high pitched, tones and large variants of sounds make music, especially troublesome for those who fear sounded self. That's why it is ninety nine point nine percent of the time attributed to music. You know, it could be just the sounds of a busy city street. But most people don't find themselves on a busy city street every day, and I can see how people with phobia don't talk about it. Because either they don't know about it or because maybe to them it's either a normal. I mean to them it's normal or be something. That so trip so trivial you don't wanna bring it up. Like, why would I just tell people just put my year buds in and don't need to hear the car while I drive? This is something prefer to tell the people were exactly and truth be told. I mean, you have to think about there's a lot of things there's a lot of everyday things that we do where we're exposing our ears to a lot of loud noises. Yeah. And someone with this this fear is not going to do that. That's why it can be embarrassing. You get invited to a New Year's Eve party and thri you decline, and you don't want to say, well, it's because I'm afraid that there's going to be music or loud noise. Right. Say that sentence. So you just plight say, oh, no, thanks got plans. Already. Your plans are put your headphones on and sit on your couch and Raina ball and read read. Mad magazine. So fun fact number five our final fact here with a massive increase in the use of ear buds or your pods. Whatever the youngsters are calling these days air pods, the most popular thing. Now, I really wanna pair those Mela phobias actually becoming increase increasingly problematic. Sure as music fans expose their ears too loud music for extended periods of time and potentially damaging your drums, and creating the irrational fear that they may do it again by mistake. And I definitely I mean, I remember with my ipod. I was the only person I knew that had one. And of course, I was a, you know, an inks teenager so listened to my rock and roll music is loud as I possibly could. I was the guy that a threshold that that limited threshold they have said on there for safety reasons. Like don't let it get louder than this of like her my years that was that nerd. I think it was through a fourteen or fifteen when when that first gen came out, and yeah, my step mom, would she would you know, AJ? Jay. And then I would see her lips moving so take my ear buds out and say, did you say something like if you can't hear me if you get here me, then then that's way too loud. I play that trick on my kids hear them. I'm plugging my ears with a device. I mean, if there was no music playing threat, I wouldn't be sitting here. I'll lip words to my kids. Like, you can hear me because you're listening to our podcast. You can't see me lip talking right now. Anyway, suckling the stand up comedians do albums and like, and then I did this. And then everybody roars with laughter. Like, what did you do? They did something on stage that we couldn't see this was a music record. This is audio. How we don't know what you just did say it say and every once in a while they'll like Bill just like keep railing on that one thing and just keep talking about it. And I have no idea why didn't you cut that track all away tracks? We're all about that one joke that you we all physical it. Yeah. I mean, commonsense people. So that's Mela phobia. And I would say in a nutshell. But no, that's that's mellow phobia. That's all there is there's no more to it. So now, you know, and I would be extremely curious to know, please reach out to us. And let us know if you think you might have it, or if you know someone who may have it that may or may not know that they have it tweet us Instagram us, your Mela phobia stories Facebook us, or do you think you have phobia or know someone who does we'd love to know with talk to you about it because we haven't talked to anybody about it. And in fact, I would love to if you have it or know someone who does we might do a follow up episode and have you on the show? Let's do it. Yeah. But his at turned podcast or Facebook dot com slash turned up podcasts or you can just hit us up on the web's at the WW dots turned up podcast dot com. And the other amazing thing that you can do on turned up podcast dot com is become a patron. 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So go back and listen to last week's episode, and we'll talk about it. And you can help us decide what any does that idea or good idea because I'm on the fence about it? But I think that means we should do it. But something really cool that we're gonna be doing while we're there is giving special back stage live broadcasts to our patron the patron Facebook page, and if you become a patron, you also get a lot of cool perks, you get to chat with us every week about episode ideas that you might have about the episodes that we did let us know your thoughts. And and it's it's a very small closed personal group. We talk to you. We're in there. We're part of it. We want to get to know you also you get a cool sticker, depending on how much you're able to give you can come hang out with us in the studio. You can get a mug you can come hang out with us in the studio, you can even record an intro for a show. So. Oh, all of that is on podcast dot com. Go to the top right corner. And you'll see a button says become a patron, you can cryptic. It's hard to find. You can see all the different all the different levels. I guess options of -bility. Yeah. But this keeping this. I mean, we can't even dead supporting us in a way is paying for our trip out there to LA paying for us to be able to have a place to host as podcast that costs money. I put the podcast into your ear holes. Just for a hobby that j you and I have in. It's kind of fun for us to be able to talk to you as listener about the things that we know and things we don't even know about that. We that. We learns anytime you're learning, but provide that platform to us it does and as things progress, and as we move further and further into this it's becoming less and less of a hobby actually kind of. Yeah, it's a job. I wanna say job is work. It's not work. It's a job. But as long as you're doing what you what you love for your job, you'll never work Dany life that sounds like some kind of coordinate inside of a chocolate heart. I think it is. I think it's one of those chocolates a poster with a tiger on it or something, of course, like inspirational quotes, three of those my bathroom. Maybe the LEGO movie. Probably. Yeah. I can't remember. Anyway, it's it's fun for us. But it justifies us spending time away from our family, and our jobs and things that we need to be doing to be able to do this into our patrons that we currently have. Thank you. Because that is. As you shutouts. Let's absolutely do. Shout outs to our newest patron first of all Deby echo. Is that Dr Bianco that is not a medical doctor Biak? Oh, I'm just going to give him a shout-out because he's a cool, dude. I know he would love it. That's drew. We worked with them. We did from the band kings peak. Check those guys out there gonna be coming into the studio actually, very soon gonna rock your faces. They've got some really cool stuff going on those Katie mouth seven thirteen Michael J, eighty three Devon Casey, Laura and Elise seven all three names there Samantha's eager Natalie b gyn Walter number one who was on an episode and our intro intro. Yes. She sat right over there on that couch while we talked NGOs cya eight twenty so thank you guys so much week over week month over month, you make this podcast possible. I kinda missed the first eight hundred nineteen Josias. None of them are as good as number eight twenty and eight twenty one through five hundred seventy three thousand a lot of jobs. I it just all goes downhill from there. Wow. Yeah. Congratulations say, h wait for being the pinnacle of Josias, you're the best juice. I eight twenty that I've ever met in haven't met at the same time simultaneously. I feel like I know you don't know you catch us on the Facebook page, and we can chat about it. Just I we could talk just send pictures, and that's what we do in the Facebook page. We post pictures and videos and things that are kind of fun, and we like to hear from you. We like to get we get episode ideas as well as again just ways to make the show better. Did you see Jake's video that he put up about how to vote for us for the iheart podcast awards? Side note. I completely neglected to put how to vote for us on Instagram and Twitter. However, if you go to the steps that I lay out on there, and you can see not only my beautiful face. But you can also see a is regular faces screen shot of my phone as not a screen shot a video of my phone as I'm as voting if you go through that process, they explained in great detail how to do that because you can vote literally fifteen times a day because you can vote five times on the website five times on Twitter and five times on Instagram. All the times are are that amazing and want us to win that that and. Yeah, because what we're up against song explorer, Bobby cast, Bobby bones, who what just one dancing with the stars, which is ridiculous all songs considered which is by NPR, rhinestone cocaine rhinestones was called cocaine and rhinestones and one of the last one is what was. Not our great disgrace land this Graceland a Graceland which is Elvis's. That's right. That's a Memphis grizzly rhinestones and cocaine rhinestones, not fizzes it. I don't think it is. I'm not sure I don't know all great podcasts and completely honored to be in in that kind of company us. Why why one of these things are not like the others? But the truth is if there was no one there to listen to us, then we wouldn't have a podcast, especially iheart. Iheart would not have noticed. So it is a hundred because of you, by the way. Yes that it'll be fun trip. It'll be fun experience regardless if we win Jake you, and I are going to sit at a table with really talented people in a room full of even more talented people, and we're going to be happy to be there. It's going to be awesome. And just an whole other thanksgiving in January. We're kind of drink bottled water, we're gonna have entrees appetizers devore's things whores devore's. Head. It's force. Yes. Those are expensive. Get them from. Why all sudden have like a southern list? That's weird that galifianakis thatthe, sayeth galvanic says brother. Say right in the biscuits right there between slim right, there betwixt them true story, by the way that move. If you know what that quotes from let us know if you don't well, then you should look at the people who do only giveaways. We're talking about giveaway. Have we now see yet we have not announced? Wait, check out the Twitter and Instagram because we will be announcing this week story. Of course, as always we love you, and we can't wait to see next week or we can't wait for you to hear us next week. 'cause we can't see very well. I'm looking in the soul of this microphone right now. Can't see crap. I can see him that. I can see what they're listening all of them in your car. That's. This turned left walking your dog sitting in the juicy in Bangladesh. A bathtub. Why is it snowing? There are you in an island? Scrambled eggs. That's Germany right there. We should just jet out of here. We have things to do. So until next time. This is Nashville signing outs piece.

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AP Headline News Mar 07 2019 12:00 (EST)

AP Radio News

04:45 min | 1 year ago

AP Headline News Mar 07 2019 12:00 (EST)

"Eh high fashion hotline to have an expiration date. No, why genes are stretched out where can I get you chance at last gets old navy old navy? Yup, right now, all jeans are up to fifty percents off starting at just fifteen dollars for adults ten dollars for kids of defeat percent of all jeans, even the new rockstar with never quit shape. Pretension your favorite fit now holds its shape, and hugs and all the right places. Where after where he goes today. Buy online pick up in store for free. I'm so they're all in ripped a fifty percent off all jeans at old navy. It'll maybe dot com valid three or four fourteen thousand excludes in store clearance. After years have been rolled though, put in an angel life. I'm free receipts of a mind of their own go, paperless manager travel expenses online with my taxi business. Make the smarter choice of my tux dot com. AP radio news. I'm Ed Donahue, former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort will be sentenced today near Washington for tax fraud and Bank fraud. He could get a twenty year prison sentence, the AP's. Ben Thomas reports manafort's lawyers are pushing for less than that. I his health manafort's lawyers say he's had debilitating foot pain from gout, and is experiencing claustrophobia an isolation from being held mostly in solitary for prosecutors say those claims don't hold up to scrutiny manafort's lawyers also maintain he was unfairly snared by special counsel, Robert Muller's investigation of Russian election meddling too that prosecutors say manafort's business dealings were already under investigation before Muller's appointment finally defense, lawyers say Manafort has already forfeited millions in cash and property and suffered public shame. The prosecution says that just shows Manafort has failed to accept that. He is responsible for his criminal choices. Ben Thomas, Washington. House speaker Nancy Pelosi says freshman minister. Ota democrat. He'll Omar didn't realize her words about Israel would sound antisemitic. She didn't have a full appreciation of how they landed on other people where this these words have a history and a cultural impact that might have been unknown to her Pelosi says a resolution the house will vote on today. We'll speak out against anti-semitism, anti-islamic phobia, anti white supremacy in all the forms. It takes in West Palm Beach, Florida. This is a bittersweet day because nothing can bring Corey Jones back that is state's attorney David ehrenberg after fired police officer Newman Raja was found guilty of the shooting death of a stranded. Black motorist Corey Jones in two thousand fifteen at least four school districts in Kentucky were forced to close today. Hundreds of teachers called in sick to protest proposed legislation on schools at the Kentucky state capital R Kelly blames his ex wife for destroying his name and says others have stolen from his Bank account. This is AP radio news. The commander of US central. Command is warning not to underestimate the Islamic state group in Syria. Here's the saga megani. They're down to holding less than a single square mile in Syria, their physical caliph nearly gone. But general Giovanni tells says the remaining militants are defiant, unrepentant unbroken and radicalized telling a house committee. They're simply going to ground and waiting for the right time to come back in the world needs to figure out how to handle them. This is a serious generational problem. And if not handled properly will so the seeds of future, violent extremism Patel's testimony provides a reality check to President Trump's repeated claims that the Islamic state group has been defeated saga megani? At the White House investigators near south bend, Indiana, say an eleven year old boy shot and wounded his state trooper father because he was upset his parents took away his video games. The father's condition is said to be improving. I'm Ed Donahue, AP radio news. Fashion not line to genes have an expiration date. No why my jeans are stretched out where can I get that last its own navy old navy? Yep. Right now, all jeans are up to fifty percents off starting at just fifteen dollars for ten dollars for kids of deficiency percent of all jeans, even the new rockstar with never quit shape. Pretension your favorite fit now holds its shape, and hugs and all the right places. Where after where he goes today. Buy online pick up in store for free. I'm so they're all in rubbed. A fifty percents off all jeans that navy. It'll maybe dot com valid three four two three fourteen thousand excludes install clearance, high fashion outlined to genes. 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Speed Round: Have You Ever Been on a Cruise?

Parenting Roundabout

04:56 min | 2 weeks ago

Speed Round: Have You Ever Been on a Cruise?

"Welcome to speed round Sunday on the parenting roundabout podcast where we share many episode from our past for your weekend listening pleasure, we'll be back tomorrow with a brand new episode. Today's question is. Have you ever been on a cruise? And if not, would you want to I? was on a cruise. I might have been on more than one cruises with my parents We used to take a lot of vacations when I was a kid, and that was one thing that we did at least once, and it was very pleasant. I enjoyed it I. Don't feel a region. Need to do it again, but. I would certainly seems like a nice way to spend a week now. There's been so many news stories about cruise ships having spectacular disasters on them maybe. I. Really don't want to select flying. It's like did it maybe won't do it again, but it's A. I remember it generally is a positive thing I remember eating a lot that there was the thing I. Remember most is that there was food like all the time there was the early breakfast, and then there was the breakfast, and then there was a morning snack, and then there was the early lunch, and then the lunch, and then the early afternoon snack in the late afternoon snack in the pre dinner snack, and you could just pretty much. Eat the entire time, which is too bad because the cabins are not large so you. Don't end so much weight. You can't fit through the door. So. How about you guys have you been on cruises? A thing that you do I have I think only on one and I was so sick. Yes there was some serious seasickness Hana so and I I. It was with my mom and she was like so fine and. Like having fun all. was just like. Just leave me here. Own. Yeah I was really really miserable. Yeah, so I would do that again like a river cruise. Like I. would be better but I guess. On, the yeah one of those two. Is the fact that you're. You're so limited to what you can do. You're really stuck there until at least until it gets to a port. I think that might bother me more than it did. When I was a kid I think that claustrophobia issues might bother me now. and. They didn't Harry tons of changed. Have you seen those ships? That's what I didn't understand like when when they've had problems like we're everyone on. The ship was sick or they had like. The power went out or something, I don't understand why they couldn't just bring a bunch of other smaller boats and take everybody off I. Don't know I guess. He gave that far away for them to practical whole customs issue too like if you're in another. Yeah! I think it would it would. I would be I've become less bold. With age I would worry about all that stuff now. When I was in high school, I didn't. But Nicola. Get that big cruise ship and take that elevator down down down down down. Here loved our deck cabin. I would love to not feel. NO WE GONNA I I'm so grateful for my husband. Because we got married years and years ago, when we were young and broken had no money, he said. We've got to go on a cruiser honeymoon, because we don't know if we'll ever be able to go on one again. Wow, and so we went on a Caribbean cruise for our honeymoon, and it was fantastic and you. Need to do then I can imagine yes only. Even better now and I'm waiting for the day to get back on the ship I. My Netflix Cajun I. It's like the. It's like the old folks home for me. It's like the resort can just yet on the hair and show up for dinner and where my where and. Gin rummy and gasoline to yes something to do and something to eat anytime of. That's. Entertainment Perfect I wouldn't get off the ship and do all the little excursions. I'm going to stay on that ship and take advantage of it. I did get sick though like Catherine I. But, that's okay. Did Not ruin it for forever. I WANNA be a cruise. Lady that lives on a cruise ship instead of old folks home. Yeah well. There's something to be said for that I guess, and then you know when you go, they can just Overboard.

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We have a couple of guests on today. Doctors one making the case that hey masks. Maybe they're not as effective as as we've been told and other saying. Hey, they are pretty effective, and here's why you use them kind of going back and forth, and trying to understand not only that, but also the psychology of the pro versus anti mask people. We also have a bill bar. WHO's testifying today? The Democrats are going after bar now. That's their big election season. Push I think it's a big mistake for them, but they're gonNA. Try it anyway. We'll get into that as well today. Make sure to go to radio DOT COM radio vote, dot, com, and vote for Glenn into the Radio Hall of fame. If you think he deserves it, I mean I personally don't. But if you do make sure you go to radio, DOT COM and give them. A vote was available to August. Ninth one vote for. Would love for to participate in that. If you have a second and you can go to blaze TV DOT COM slash. He's Promo Code. Glenn Save Ten Bucks off of your subscription. tonight. a brand new does America and tomorrow? The Studios America right into the new Glenn Beck show which goes tomorrow, and it's all about Some of the myths and truths about Kobe nineteen. Get into that as well you can subscribe to the podcast here and rate and review police as well as the one over with students America five stars, the appropriate number of stars. Here's the podcast. Took me. Talk, case have. Jason on with US Jason is our head, researcher, and head writer. and we were talking about this this lovely project. that. He he unearthed yesterday Jason Gimme more of the details of this economic forum that you that you know now. You know the World Economic Forum I always pay attention to them. Because some of the craziest stuff comes out of there. He talked you just talked about the fourth industrial revolution there actually one of the only ones that are talking about that and you've talked about that a little bit yourself. Glenn about how there's going to be massive job loss once all this you know, the technology revolution comes in. And they're the only people that are talking about it, but the problem is when you talk about it and when they talk about it, there's two completely different motives for instance in this great reset. They mentioned the The fourth revolution because part of their plan is to digitize everything to get more government and private corporation control linked together and when you hear that, it's things that we've been talking about over the past couple of months. When we talk about event to a one. And that was like their war game for you know a virus. And they used the corona virus, and like a month later the corona virus that was completely separate from each other, but the point is, they were game planning these things because they want to fundamentally change economic, the economic global economic governance. They went to completely change it. They want more government control over private corporations and I. Just it. It's not being presented as control. It's being presented as A partnership a Public Private Partnership, which is the definition of fascism. Right right. And when you hear the especially when you hear their leader Klaus Schwab talk about it. If you're not really paying attention, you're just listening to the bullet points you don't hear all the little things, but I've been reading through their in depth reports, and even those aren't really in depth because they're leaving out the ultimate our take control, they leave that part out of it, but when you read between the lines, this stuff sounds incredibly scary. So when I first heard him talk about this. What piqued my interest and got me looking into it more as he goes, this might be too I. D idealistic, but we have to try and I. was I. Oh, wait a minute and he goes in. That's always like a boarding spy using. Let's take a step back. Something like that. We may have to kill a few people to get it done, but that's okay. Dog He goes into more in depth and how they're going to do this. So the first step is they talk about redefining the social contract. Now they specifically slam I thought this was interesting. Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher and they said you know what in the time of self, reliance over big government is back acts I said big, but they said government is back. They were taught. They talk about less self reliance, more government global government control. They actually said government is back Reagan and Thatcher are. are of the passed away they go on. They talk about the green economy. Now when you when you make fun of people like AFC, it's easy to make fun of her. Because she's got a doorknob or were, brain should be, but there's people behind her. They're pushing this very very obviously. There's actual influential people that are behind this. The green economy is something. They're really pushing. cow farts are not just funny. These things they're using to push this global. You know corporate control. Again. They talked about digitizing everything. They want everything digital. They want all all records digitized everything digital modifying capitalism was the shareholder of a stakeholder economy i. that's Kinda hard to understand, but what from what I've seen is they're looking at a model of capitalism where industry focuses on social, good and not just corporate good. Again that's yeah. The none or no, it's it's really not I like to call their capitalism. Communism. Or Fascism, because what it is is they say, don't concentrate on the shareholders. The stakeholders who are the stakeholders, the stakeholders are the people who work there you know and the the people in the community those the stakeholders, so there is no real private property as we as we know, there are no private businesses as we know it, and it'll be great because. Well Gosh Darn it you're GONNA be able to You're going to be able to not worry about your business or your bills anymore. I mean this is. This is why they have taken out all of the entrepreneurs. And quite honestly if you took the P P P I completely understand, but one of my fears on the P. was it's going to enslave you to the government somehow or another. They're going to use that to say well now. We were there for you. I mean. You don't have to pay it back, but. Gosh darn it I mean you really should abide by these kinds of things I'm a little concerned about the the PP and I'm a wildly concerned. If the Democrats get in. This is what we saw in. Ukraine is just the tip of the iceberg on this. This is a global effort, which is why it was a global effort to impeach Donald Trump Donald. Trump I believe is the only guy in the world that is going to stand up against this. That's why he has to get out of. Of Washington. They won't take it any other way. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program. Let me go to one more one more doctor. Dr Carlin Borissenko. She's and organisational psychologists. She's you know. Forbes contributor, etcetera, etcetera. She's now a part of our Our our circle of friends and I asked her to look into because I think stu weren't both doctors pretty much saying the same thing if it's closer than you would have thought, they definitely had some things agreement on on certain things, but generally speaking, they're saying they're somewhat effective but you still you know they're not universally effective. Exactly right so so Carlin wary is this I'm going to spray you with pepper spray if you're not wearing one outside. Where's this coming from? Well I think I take a step back I. WanNa do a disclaimer and say I am not a medical doctor. I am not speaking on the effectiveness of mass, but one of the has been a very worrisome for me about the whole mask thing and I said. This was gonNA happen back in March. Is it's? It's dehumanizing to people? We're literally stopped. We're not seeing each other as human beings when we're in this pro mask versus anti mass debate now in some. Some respects that makes sense because the way our brain evolved are survival mechanism whether or not we're afraid that we're going to die. Is the number one thing that we will make decisions on, and if we are afraid that we're going to die or be put in some sort of danger, that's going to kick off our fight or flight mechanism. Which essentially is you know either you're going to fight the situation aggressively. which is what we see when we're seeing people pepper. Pepper spray one another out in public would make could just easily socially distance walk around? You know separate themselves, not wearing math instead they're fighting it aggressively, which is the fight mechanism of that the other option to the courts to run away in the other direction to flee from what you think is going to attack you, but you know what is striking about this for me Glen because the last time I spoke with you. We talked about you know white fragility. Fragility, all of that and one of the things that I actually think is so interesting about What's going on with the math? Because it is actually mirrors what they talk about in weight, fragility, which is someone is saying that I don't feel comfortable wearing a mask for whatever reason whether it's simply an emotional thing, or it's actually a medical reason that they don't want to wear a mask. That is an individual decision whereas you know what what they are doing. That individualism is bad. White people are. Individuals and that somehow bad and I I almost feel as though it's become so politicized, because the two issues have become incredibly inflated. If you look at how people speaking about these online, you're going to see that people who are pro mask usually tend to be more on the left. People who are anti masks tend to be though not exclusively more on the. The right, and and I think think that it's really it's Kinda like this perfect storm of nonsense, but has descended onto the issue of math, whereas what what we could be doing exactly what you just did have a medical discussion where you're hearing from both sides about the effectiveness of it and approach the situation much more calmly than it's being approached right now. Yeah it's everything. Is this this idea that the science is settled? And if you don't agree with it, you're somehow or another an enemy of all mankind. The science clearly is not settled. The science seems to be leaning in the direction that a mask is better than nothing, but I don't think anybody is taking into account. The effects that the media has had on politicizing absolutely everything by blaming everybody who is as ever voted a Republican into office as a bad guy and everybody like Cuomo who is a Democrat is a savior. The, neither one of those is true. They have told us. Things the science continues to change on this, and for the very first time we are expected to not respond or not have an opinion, and I think that is the symbol. The mask is the symbol of that feeling of powerlessness. That then that I've got a virtue signal when you don't know what the hell you're even talking about because I think most people. Would wear the mask. just be fine with it. You know if they can do their part. Some won't I get it? But if it wasn't for this politicisation of all of this if it wasn't that, you are somehow or another a horrible human being. It becomes almost a badge of honor to not wear the mask just as much on the left as it does to wear the mask. Absolutely agree, and another part of this, too is that there are legitimate medical reasons why people might not want to wear a mask whether that has to do with a medical condition where they may struggle to breathe in it or a psychological condition, like if they struggle from depression, or anxiety or Claustrophobia, there could be absolute reasons why a mask is not the best choice, and you know in in a civilized society. We would say well if you can wear a mask you should. Should because there are people who can't, but that's not what's happening. We're seeing people who are very legitimate reasons, and by the way organizations stores businesses. They are not allowed to ask what the medical reasons are. That's your private information and we're seeing these people be turned away or shunned I mean I look at the case that happened to brandon struck from the walkaway campaign probably about a month ago is he got kicked off an American. Airlines flight for not wearing a mask and. Created this whole Hullabaloo and actually talked to him later in the day, and he said Carlin they didn't even ask me if I had any sort of medical condition, so we'd reached the point where the benefit of the doubt is just not given at all in these scenarios and instantly the person who is not wearing the mask is demonized. Yeah, Carlin. Thank you so much. will again Carlin Borissenko. and and What she has to say I think is is so very valuable. I know pat doesn't wear a mask and the reason why pat doesn't wear a mask is because he has severe Claustrophobia, Severe Claustrophobia You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program. William Bar is about to testify We stations are going to be covering his opening. Statements yesterday Fox News, broke the story of his his opening of his testimony. Yet I I look I just searched on Google for William Bar, testimony and I've got I've got NPR I've got CNN the HILL ABC News Npr New York Times New York. TIMES NEW YORK POST PBS business insider page to. Youtube slate the hill, the hill time Washington. Post, ABC New York seven politico CBS news page three ABC The Washington examiner. That's the first one that's been a conservative NBC News The daily Beast CNBC. USA USA Nine roll-call axios Yahu VOA news still no Fox, news report fact, check Chicago Tribune Espn C.. Span Newsweek, Detroit News, KB ex New York Fox Five W. F. T.. W., U. F. T.. W. M. C. A.. Action News Five. I mean we are down to local news I'm on page five. Still nothing from Fox News. Page six still nothing from Fox, news. This is unbelievable. There it is page the end of page six. Wow and it's a story. That's four days old. well. It's interesting trying to get your news today. especially I thought these surgeons were supposed to. Get to know you and provide the things that you were looking for. How does it mistake me as not wanting something from a conservative point of view? How's that possible? Well. We're going to give it to you. Straight Scoop, you'll be able to hear it live as William. Bar, testifies because they're trying to impeach him, but. Apparently. He's GonNa. Blow the doors off. Glenn Beck Program.

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S2/E20: Writing Monsters by Philip Athans

The Rookie Writer Show

07:30 min | 2 months ago

S2/E20: Writing Monsters by Philip Athans

"Hello and welcome to season two episode twenty of the rookie writer show. I'm Robin Naval and I will be your host. Today I write horror and speculative fiction and I love monsters. You can find me on twitter at Lacan Puntos and at Robin Canabal on instagram today. I am reviewing writing monsters. How to craft believably terrifying creatures to enhance your horror fantasy and science fiction by author Philip Athens. It was published in two thousand fourteen by writer's digest books. Philip Athens is The New York Times bestselling author of Nile Asian and. He has written more than a dozen other books. He is well known for writing the novelization of the first. Baldur's Gate Computer Games. He is also a freelance editor. Ghost rider and publishing consultant at Athens and associates. You can find him on twitter at Phil Athens. I had my eye on this book for a while and it kept peaking out at me from the shelf. Every time I visited the bookstore and finally I gave into it and I am really pleased that I did as I read this book. I found myself jotting down a lot of notes for some of my own stories. The ideas he shared as well as the examples really got my brain working. I came up with some great ideas to use to enhance the monsters in my own stories. Athens includes a lot of great excerpts and examples throughout his book from different classics such as Cujo Jaaz King Kong Frankenstein and numerous. Hp lovecraft tales. He also includes a tool a monster creation. Form to help you flesh out your monster and all of its details. I'm going to discuss three tips. And one hack. From the mini categories. That Athens mentions to help. You create a plausible monster. The first is phobias. What makes a monster scary? There is a wide variety of monsters out there. There are creatures based in reality. Such as jaws creatures that lurk in outer space like organisms and alien that feed on the ship's crew. Sometimes the monster is human. Perhaps it's a loving family pit. Turn bad does Cujo ring a bell for anyone or maybe church? The cat from pet cemetery. I still get chills thinking about him in that movie no matter what the monster is. It has attributes that create fear in the reader. Athens suggests study your readers. Deepest fears and inject them into your monstrous creations. A few of the top ten phobias ring true for most people Arachnophobia Claustrophobia. And ACURA phobia. These three are quite common. Ammos certainly there are many more you can use to prey upon. Your readers fears a favorite of mine. That Athens mentions is Richard Matheson's nightmare. At twenty thousand feet. The main character suffers from a fear of flying which is aggravated by a monster. Outside his plane window ripping off pieces of the wing. This story became one of the most famous episodes of the twilight zone. For good reason using phobias isn't the only way to make your monster. Scary though and Athens does a great job laying out other suggestions and guidelines. You can follow. The second tip is weakness. Your story isn't going to be much of a thriller if the monster comes in kills everyone and then goes on its merry way. Athens quotes Lynn Abbey. Who stated unless the writer intense for the monster to be the last man standing after the climax it's going to need a weakness and the characters are going to have to exploit it. It will be more satisfying to the reader to if the characters hurt or dispose of the monster through actions. They have had to think through verses lucky shot with a blaster for example the weakness of the monster is what gives your hero or heroes a fighting chance and the end. Allow your characters to be intelligent and resourceful also be sure to make the weakness. Well thought out and FITTING FOR THE MONSTER. A note to remember a monsters. Limitations are the furthest extent of its powers. Not Its weakness. The third tip is cliche. What makes anything cliche is a lack of imagination care and plausibility? Ethin- says that what keeps your monster from becoming a cliche depends on how much originality effort and creativity you put into it. He continues by saying the worst cliche is when you copy something you love without any real understanding of why everyone else loved it. You can look to your favorites. Take note of how they were constructed. See what makes the monsters so beloved by readers but then go a step further. Think of why those monsters scare you. You can combine common fears and the traits of one or more real animals into your creation. Build off maths and folklore. You can scour the darkest recesses of your mind for inspiration in the end though. Just be original. Don't follow trends in the hope for success. By the time you complete an edit your story that trend might be done trust in your own ideas and by all means. Use your imagination. The Hack for this book is an Oma to dungeons and dragons again fraught with monsters of all temperaments shapes sizes and skill levels role playing games better known as RPG's can be fun and effective sources of inspiration when creating a monster especially in terms of balancing out its powers weaknesses showing how it moves even at Speed. Athens discusses Richard Baker in RPG creator. Whose rule of thumb is that a good monster needs and hence a defense and a utility feature. Athens includes a detailed example of this which I found to be really helpful. He also believes you should keep a detailed list of your monsters traits to make sure you stay consistent throughout your story because as he says. Consistency is king at making your monster. Believable this book weighs in at two hundred and seventeen pages and it was an easy and enjoyable read. When I finished it I was ready to sit down and flesh out more details on the monsters and my current works in progress. If you're working on a book that needs a well rounded believable monster. I highly suggest picking up a copy of writing monsters by Philip Athens. I hope this was helpful to you and that you allow your imagination to run wild. Let those monsters come to life? Next week I will be back to review the MASTERCLASS. Dan Brown teaches writing thrillers. I cannot wait to hear what he has to say until then happy writing people.

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Halloween, James Wan, Birds of Prey, Star Wars, Aquaman, and Mail Bag Questions

/Film Daily

37:22 min | 2 years ago

Halloween, James Wan, Birds of Prey, Star Wars, Aquaman, and Mail Bag Questions

"Hello, everyone and welcome to slash daily for September twenty six, two thousand eighteen today's episode wherein tucked the latest film and TV news and try to get to some of the letters in the mail bag. This is slash foam editor in chief Peter Surata. Joining me on his podcast slash on writers. Why TRAN Bui be one in Chris Evangelista. Hello. Guys, I made the mistake yesterday of asking a health weight loss question on Twitter, and I go like hundreds of responses like it from some educated people, some nutritionist, some smart people, but I, it's funny like everything on the internet. The responses for like divided fifty, fifty with everybody telling me to do something completely different. So divided between like what was the majority of responses. But my question was, I hate even bring this up here because I know that we'll get responses in the mail back. I think Cardi come to a conclusion is. You know, I'm on a new diet and I'm using this weight loss tracker looking up and you know, because I have my apple watch it registers. I've been going on a walk to go get lunch every day now and it registers how much, how many calories I'm burning won't going for this walk, which isn't a whole lot. It's like, you know, four hundred dollars or whatever, but. That we lost apple by default was taking my exercise calories in adding it to my allotment of calories for the day that I could eat. Does that make sense? Yeah, so so unaware on a diet, you're at a deficit of calories, you know, to lose weight. And this was like, basically giving me back the calories that I had burned off on my walk. And I was basically asking, should that be because there's a setting turn that off so that I do not consume the calories burnt off and it seems like everybody's just has different ways of thinking of this. You know, there's some people that say that, you know, if you cut too many calories, your body will go into starvation mode. There's some educated people that point out that there's people a lot of people doing intermittent fasting in their bodies going to. Yeah, I'm not going to do that, but like, but they point out that those people are doing it and it's their bodies are not going into starvation mode. So I don't know. I think I've come to conclusion as long as I'm not, you know, doing huge hikes and climbing up mountains and doing marathons that I'm just not gonna consume the calories burning off and keep the. This bonus weight loss, I think. But now that I said that I'm probably going to bunch of letters and. Packing, please don't add. I don't need it. I didn't mean for this opening banter to go this long, but yeah, so let's get. Let's jump into the news. Let's start off with hallway him and how it's tracking at the box office. Chris, how much does it look like? Holy and is gonna make when it comes out, Holloway is is on track to maybe have the UV biggest opening in the franchise history, which is pretty good. This is early projection and it could turn out to be wrong. But right now it looks like he's leading towards a fifty to sixty million dollar opening weekend which if so, would. Beat the previous record holder which is rob zombies Halloween, which had a twenty six million dollar opening weekend. And obviously, you know, the first one was a big too, but you have to factor in inflation and all that stuff. How does this compare to the rest of the franchise. It's pretty much the highest of all after the rob zombie one. It goes down to like the sixteen millions and we don't really actually isn't a record of the original halloween's opening weekend anywhere online because I guess I was just too long ago. So that's insane that we do not have a record for that goes. Your was that in the nineteen seventies seventy eight, nine hundred seventy eight. That is that is scary to me. Well, it's exciting that this film is going to. It looks like it's going to do well because that means we could be getting more of them. I know you're a big fan of Halloween if this does well and they decide to make more of them, is that something you want? See? I don't know because I don't want to give away spoilers or anything, but this film it like restores the franchise. You know what? It hasn't been in a while and I kind of I wanted to stay that way. I'm worried like the more they make the more they're gonna like screw it up again and start making bad movies again. So I don't want that to happen. But at the same time, you know at the same people came back, I'd be willing I I wouldn't. I obviously wouldn't be like, I'm not seeing that. So you know, okay, let's move on to James wand. Who's going to be producing a remake of train to Busan essay for pronounce it on Bussan in this is from the nun writer. Gary Doberman, itchy your vertebrae this and say, what do we know speaking of horror films in which the original is untouchable. A trained to Basan was a huge South Korean hit, which to be one of the highest grossing films in South Korea at in two thousand sixteen and was a world wide hit as well. And of course, that means getting an American remake James. Lawn will be producing this American remake with Gary Darmon set to pen the remake, which is still untitled likely be titled something like trained to Boston or something. I'm not sure. But currently there is a bloody bidding war taking place over the rights of the project with new line, universal paramount, Lionsgate, and screen gems going to bat over this. This remake also pun violate because there is a bat that's use of this film. Original film is phenomenal. It's I think one of the best zombie films from this past decade, and it's it's so good. This the news. Actually inside a bit of anger over the internet. Right Peter, yes. You know, some of our tweets about the news get like almost no reaction. You know, there's a, you know, a couple dozen retweets or favorites and a couple you know responses, but this one looking at my Twitter analytics has reached over a half million people because people are responding and quote retweeting, basically, almost unanimously just saying, read the fucking subtitles. So I, I don't think people want this remake. I have not seen this film so good. I think it's still on Netflix. At least I saw a net flicks a few months ago, and it's amazing, definitely worth the subtitles if you are reluctant to get into that, but it's it's so good. It's so brutal and just balls the wall violence in the way that a lot of South Korean Horth billers are and hasn't surprisingly emotional core as well. I also might be a little biased because I have a huge crush on the on the. Lead gung you, but he's not even the highlight of this film all the supporting characters. So good. Chris, your big hoorah guy. Have you seen this? I have is great, and it really does not need a remake. And yeah, I said on Twitter, I'm guessing to be called like trained to Delaware or something like that. I can't imagine like what they're going to call it. What is the unique angle to this that will differentiate it from other zombie films in the US world? All it's exactly like it sounds like it's a zombie film that takes place exclusively on a train. So it has that claustrophobic, you know, atmosphere to it, and yet it manages to just keep a barrelling on despite being taking place in one in one setting, essentially at at some points, they stop in various stations and realized that those places overrun as well. And essentially it's it's on a train while his ambi- virus breaks out in all of South Korea, and they are kind of the last to realize it until it's too late. Has anybody done zombies on a plane movie yet. I feel like if anybody knows us, Chris is the one that. Yes, they have. I forget what it's called, but they have. It's it's not good. Yeah, I the train concede probably allows them to deal a lot more that you know the plane would be a lot more contained in less exciting. Yeah, I I am going to go. I'm gonna go check this out because of all these tweets, I actually hit the mute the tweet on my mentions because my mentioned for just completely unreadable because of these people just responding to the article which HD you wrote and it's not like you were like excited for this remark. Well, actually, I'm surprisingly not angry about it either because I think JAMES BOND is really talented. He created the entire conjuring universe, which is like one of the few horrors in a matter universes today, I think in his hands, this wouldn't be a bad remake, even though the original again is perfect. I think the the premise is so simple and kind of bare bones that you really could put it anywhere just it wouldn't emit dot or probably wouldn't measure up to the original. Yeah. And of course, James one is going to produce. He's not gonna direct when I was visiting him in the editing room of the the Oklahoma. Editing room. One of the first questions I asked a question that our own Chris Ed and those like when are you ever going to direct another horror movie? And his answer was kind of disappointing eight. It was kind of he brought up Sam Raimi's. Drag me to hell in basically said like, you know, Sam Ramey found a way back. I will eventually find a way back, so I don't think that's can happen anytime soon. I would be more excited for this movie. I think if one was actually directing, but like you said, he has produced some some good horror films as Well. Chris, are you just totally not interested in this remake. I don't know. I mean, it depends on who they hired it or directed and all that stuff, but I really don't. The original is indeed still on Netflix. So you could just go watch that like, you don't really need to remake this specially so soon. Okay, so check that out on Netflix. Let's move onto a big bit of comic book, casting news, and that is that birds of prey have cast to new actresses for the film Christos, but it, yes. So you know a few days ago, we wrote up a story about how bunch of actresses where we're reading for various parts in the film, and now to have been kissed, Mary Elizabeth Winstead is going to play Huntress and journey smell at bell is going to play black canary in the film. And of course, Margot Robbie is starring in the film as Harley Quinn. And this is going to be Warner Brothers, big DC female driven team film, which is set to open in February of twenty twenty. I mean, you know what? What differentiates this from the other DC film? So we know about so far just in case people aren't falling birds of prey. Well, I mean, it's. There's a female director which is a lot different. I mean, you know, moral, I mean, obviously has Patty Jenkins, but up until now she was the only female director. They had. I, I don't know. I don't know what differentiates this from DC film just because I haven't seen it yet and there's always a chance it'll turn out to be bad just like all the other DC films except wonder woman. But I'm, I'm a little more optimistic for this just because it just seems like they're, they're really gathering a good amount of talent to make this happen. Yeah. No, it does seem like they are. The cast is actually a good cast. I know Mary Elizabeth wooden stead is very picky. I'm the role. She takes cheese, you know, being offered, you know, a lot of big stuff that she's turned down. So for her to take this, I think is maybe a vote of confidence. And I did want to point out the Caitlyn booth who has also journalists pointed out on Twitter that now this has been, I think, five or six people that were in at great Scott pilgrim vs the world who have since become. Superheroes. So that's a very was with Winstead. There's free Larson Chris Evans who I guess was a superhero out, but he was a super here before that too. Aubrey plaza who's I guess? Technically legion may Whitman voices back girl in the animated stuff. And I think some day we might see like Anna Kendrick who wanted to be squirrel girl. I'd love to see Elin Wong as a superhero. So I just feel like you know anybody who's casting a superhero movie, just look to the film's at great. Right. I think what we're all waiting for is Michael, Sarah. Can you hear me. That would be so weird. I don't even know what character that could possibly be. Maybe maybe the Michael, Sarah lex. Luther. He was actually, he was in LEGO, Batman, wasn't he Robin and LEGO. There is another one. So the that's like more than five. I am not going to count on there, but it's a lot of a lot at great regular who moved on to become superheroes, but let's move onto Star Wars. Some big Star Wars news drop today at the Oculus conference, itchy. Tell us about it. Yes. So David Goya's secret Darth Vader VR project, which he has been teasing for the past. Two years has now been revealed, be called Star Wars Vader immortal with the new trailer that has been dropped at the Oculus connect event. And it's a cloud ration- tween Lucasfilm's alum x. lab and Oculus. It's VR project that will be three part experience in which the player will get transported to Dr theaters headquarters in Mustafar, and presumably either work with him or face off against him is not sure. It's not. It's not certain because in the trailer, the very brief chiller rec- he speaks to the player and then activates is lightsaber so could be either or so this is a project that has that will be debuted exclusively on Oculus quests, which is a standalone virtual reality headset that is launching in spring of twenty nineteen. And this will be the launch project of Oculus quest. This is interesting for a variety of reasons. I do want to point out that like it seems like they're trying to do this very connected world like there was this whole secrets of the empire experience at the void. I think I'm the only one on this podcast that experienced it in. I'm not a video gamer. I'm not even a big proponent of VR, but. Experiencing secret to the empire in being feeling like you are inside the world of Star Wars was incredible. And I, I can definitely see the draw of its. The interesting thing is that that experience kind of sets up not going to spoil anything, but there's a kind of like a secret weapon of some kind of setup. And apparently some of the things that are kind of set up in there that are actually also referenced in rogue one are going to tie into these projects in we'd into a larger story in connect. I, I do find the titled be little weird like Vader immortal because we know he's, he's not immortal, right. But I'm wondering, you know, in the prequels his master talked about the power to escape death, and obviously he was not able to escape death. That Bir in the I know in the expanded universe Star Wars stuff. The emperor was, you know, after returning tonight, you know, trying to seek out some stuff that he was unable to get his hands on. That he had. It gets complicated, but he had like a robotic version of him trying to find this. Anyways, there has been some speculation that he was trying to to find the these ancient Genentech's or whatever that would allow you to live forever the cure to death or something like that. And I'm wondering and I know digit Abrahams probably didn't have any intention in this when he wrote Star Wars supports wakened, but there is that line. The Kylo Ren says, I'll finish what you started. I'm wondering if there is something to all of this like that. There is something to the immortal thing that is going to play in part of episode nine, probably not. I'm probably reading too much into from like any Star Wars geek, but HD. What do you think? I mean, that's possible because I think has teased before that this will be cannon. This dot baiter immortal experience will be part of the greater Star Wars. Saga. So it's possible that this could be a tie in with the upcoming episode nine. Did you guys? I, I think we've talked about VR in the past. Like, does this excite you? Like Star Wars Episode, Nick experience ridden by, you know, Holywood screenwriter producer like, does that get you more excited about the are. I can't say it does. I've never actually experienced anything like truly VR before I've done like little headsets where you put the phone in, but I've never done like a true VR experience. So I don't really know what to make of it. I know that people who have experienced really enjoy it, but I just don't really have anything to go on. Chris, this will allow you to be in your own house. Not via you don't have to leave your doors and you could be in the university of Star Wars. You don't have to go to Star Wars, Landon, spend hundreds of dollars. I, I don't know. I just wanna watch stuff. I don't like this to me is just like, you know, like three D. And smell-o-vision. I don't need gimmicks. Just give me a movie. It's online. You just give me the movie. I'll watch the movie. I don't wanna. I wanna put a video Drome device on my head and go into the world. Like I, I don't need that. Sorry. I'm like, you know, as much as I enjoyed that secrets, the empire experience. That was cool because it's something called the room scale, which is like they build out like this kind of small or this big room so that like you're walking through hallways and you can feel the, you know, the virtual hallways, you can open the doors. You can pick up the guns like their actual physical objects that you are also seeing in the virtual world. This system. This new Oculus system is basically for your own home and I'm kind of with you, Chris, I, I kind of when I want to sit back in joy a story. I want to kind of sit back and enjoy the story. I don't want to be part of it and I don't see the benefit of being to look around because like I feel like gets a storyteller. I want to look at what the director of the storyteller wants me look at in, not like, you know, behind me at the thing I'm not supposed to look at. Does that make sense? Like. Yeah, no, that makes perfect sense to me. I mean, you know, again, I know people enjoy this and that's fine to each their own. I just, I don't know. Maybe I'm just being a Chroma Ginny old man. I don't know, but I just, I don't know. I see this every year more and more film festivals add VR to their lineup, and I'm just like, I don't care. I just don't want to watch a movie, but that's me. You're not even excited about like the big autour doing like the our experiences like didn't know really grow or now I don't. I just want to watch a movie. That's it. That's all I want. Don't stop complicating. That's all. Okay. Let's move on to our last final story. And this is some big important news apparently in features, lots of water, vomiting scenes, Chris, tell us about this. Yes, this is a this is the most important DC news. You're going to hear probably all year. All at the listeners go over to slash dot com to read. James wants very lengthy explanation, but it boils down to this when certain Atlantans come out of the water onto dry land. They end up throwing up water because that's what they're ingesting all the time under the sea. So when you go see a man, you can expect to see at least several scenes or certain actors, including the cul Kidman just throw up some water. So there you have it. I think this is what the EU has been missing the entire time. So I think this is going to be is going to put them over the top. This is finally going to be the film. Everyone gathers around and applaud strictly because it has water vomiting. So p jokes and water vomiting. You know, we'll say like, if you read, James wants explanation for this, it seems like very well thought out of like, you know, how would creatures that live underneath water? You know, when they come out of water, what would happen I? It seems like he put a lot more thought into this than I think most of the other people working in teed DC. Yeah. I mean, all kidding aside, he does have a very detailed explanation. Like I know if I were making aquaman and someone asked me this question, I'd be like, who cares like just just accept it, but he actually put a lot of thought into it. So I appreciate that James watt actually took this very seriously and and put thought into how Atlanta. Atlantans would operate when they come out of the water. I find it funny that he, he thinks he needs to explain that. But then he has this big battle of Rena seen. We're jellyfish or lighting the, you know, huge Atlantique in arena, and there is an octopus playing the drums. It's like, oh, well, that's that's. I mean, scientifically accurate. You don't need that the question. Okay. All those arms. Really needs to explain his Mira's hair like what? What is happening with that color red. It looks so bad. It looks really bad. Okay. We have a few minutes, so let's get into some of the feedback that we've gotten in the mail bag that we've been putting off for a couple of weeks. Now, Lord in wash. Wooster, Massachusetts rates in that we were talking about the girl in the spider's web in the the new titles girl and Spanish web a dragon tattoo story, Lord comments that this book is not part of the original more neom trilogy that the regional author wrote as you probably know he passed away after completing the first three books. This is not a direct sequel to the and trag dragon tattoo. And I wonder if Sony is trying to make sure people know it set in the same universe, but not a stand alone movie. Do you guys think this subtitle helps clarify that anyway. I didn't know that this was based off of a book by different writer, but I think it is being billed as a direct sequel. I don't know if it's kind of like something like the DC. You were the different actress of the different character different like I don't. I don't know, but it's it's yet. I don't know if you've got subtitle helps anything. But, okay, let's read another letter Scott a from Alameda California rates in that he implores each of us to check out the writer. It is a masterful film while I did not connect with the subject matter as much as other films, the artistry of khloe, how her cinematographer and editor are what truly elevate this home using a wonderful juxtaposition of wide shots to emphasize the emptiness of South Dakota landscape with extreme close ups, touching upon the cost of phobia of Brady's tragic situation. The film highlighted the type of director. That's how is the writer was in my top top five at the half year, Mark in wallet may have slipped down. It's definitely a film worth watching. I think Chris, especially would love it. I highly recommend, and I think marvel hiring style is a insp-. Fire choice to Chris e? Why haven't you seen this yet? All right. Listen listeners someone right right into and tell me if the horse dies are not, because if the horse dies, I'm not going to watch this. That's that's what's holding the up. I had this bad feeling you. There is a website that actually tracks all that you can look up any movie and see if there is any onscreen you know, like animals like production, but I'm like, afraid. I want someone to tell me. I don't know. Like I have this weird thing where like if people die in movies, I don't care, but it's like an animal dies. I get very upset. So that's what's been holding me back because I have this really bad feeling. This is going to end with the horse dying and I'm not going to be able to handle it. So someone tell me if the horse dot doesn't die, I will watch this. But if the horse dies, I'm sorry it's a no for me. I have a good friend. Molly who tried to watch house of cards in the in the first episode. I think like at the beginning of the first episode, so I guess this is. Much of a sweater, but a dog gets like run over by a car. Dog turnover and he Kevin Spacey late what's misery. But thankfully it's like offscreen so I can sort of handle that yet. Will she had to shut off the show? And she never watched the show just because of that like so. So you can get through something like that. It's not like that doesn't like, is it like if we're at balk, it depends on how it's depicted. If it's like offscreen like it is in that house, the car thing I can sort of handle it, although it will upset me, but there's like onscreen animal death. I can't do it. I can't take it. So so like I said, someone telling me if this ends with with whatever the horse's name is dying. I I'm not going to be able to do it. So I'll have to off to wait and see itchy. I gotta node. Are you affected at all by onscreen animal deaths now would make me feel sound really bad. If I said that actress joh- I started craving Pekan geez. Wow. Jyrki looks really good. That is horrible. That's all right. I'm a good person. I don't hate them. That's actually the movie. Okay. Is actually the movie that made me go full vegetarian? I wasn't a vegetarian before I saw that movie. That's what changed me. So I like that we had to complete opposite reaction. Okay. Let's let's read another. We had that predator episode where I was we were talking about all the kind of like flaws or like plot holes of the movie prints from New York City rates in. I'll agree that everything went downhill, the Cadillac commercial in the woods, but your complaint seemed looney plot holes in a predator movie. Really, we enjoyed the movie except for the final scene. It was fast and fun and dumb. You don't go to applebees for fine, dining in you don't go to predator movies thinking there will be no potholes tightened up. What do you guys have to stay with us? Like I it should. We just expect the vets from certain franchise, certain types of movies or like, should we are should? Should we view things in the Nolan? Like viewpoint of like everything has the potential to be, you know, elevated. I haven't seen predator yet, but I just want to say I liked the line a lot. You don't go to applebees for fine dining. That's great. Hey, what if I do go to applebees for fine, dining. Living your life wrong Peter. Chris, do you have any thoughts on a? I mean, I don't like this argument. I mean, I do actually think Peter a lot of your plot hole problems with predator where a bit silly. But at the same time I also feel like I feel like we shouldn't let anything off the hook. I feel like we should want every sort of film every sort of entertainment to strive to be better. So if you just wanna like blithely be like, I wanted that to be stupid. I feel like you're like, you're like cheating like you should want things to be better. But you know, again, I know that's not everyone's opinion. Yeah, you don't go to Albee's being like, give me the crappy food you're serving today. TIMMY, you go there because you are craving. Sustenance, you're, you're craving some sort of enjoyment now like no one goes out to eat and he's like, oh, man, I hope this is terrible. Like no, no one is thinking like that. I was trying to think of a signature dish of Applebee's, but I don't think there is a signature dish. Maybe like, you know, you go to outback steakhouse for the awesome blossom even though you know it's going to be really bad for, I don't know. I'm not sure where I'm going with this analogy, but to your point, Chris, I don't think I was like the cinema sins of potholes. I wasn't pointing out like things that weren't there. They were actually definitely there in to the point Jacob see from Mississippi rates in saying that he cannot believe that Peter was made fun of so much in by how confused he was in the movie. I totally and completely agree with you. On every point you made the movie was edited extremely horribly, and I couldn't tell what was going on. At the time I shamed Brad for making fun of you at the nerd voice that was uncalled for it, made no sense in it was a trash movie. Also, the depiction of syndrome was extremely bad. My dad and I both have treads in. We laughed the whole time or the whole movie at Thomas jeans, depiction of it because of how inaccurate -fensive it was. Threats is rarely that severe and when it is that bad, it doesn't look like that. Literally, its only purpose was set up some really bad jokes, and it's interesting that we actually got someone to write in about that because that was something I had a problem with because I grew up with them in high school. What am I best friends had tread syndrome and. It was just nothing like it's depicted in movies in especially being used as kind of comic relief. I felt kind of offensive. I'm glad they could laugh at it in some way though, and you know, let's let's get to a couple more emails we. We were on the podcast. The think a week or two ago we asked is anybody out there listening to us. We were yelling out into the void asking anybody out there actually excited for venom in if so to write us in a write in an Email, we did get. Out of our audience of thousands and thousands. We got to Email guys, we got one from Michael are who said the reason why he's excited is Tom hardy usually chooses wisely. That of course, looks like it will change, but people think it looks more like a scary version of deadpool and that's why he thinks people are excited for it. So Christie think like Tom Hardy's career choices might indicate that there might be something more to this film than what we're seeing. I mean, that's definitely a possibility. I do think Tom Hardy's are really going to act or even though he does to very goofy voices, especially in this, he's doing a very goofy voice. But I also do think he's a very serious actor. He takes his craft really seriously, and I do think he wouldn't just like casually do something. So maybe he did see something in the script, but whatever he saw, I'm not saying it, so I don't know. Yeah, nothing either Scott a from Alameda California. Again, he writes in, he's a long Email which I will have the whole thing. Well, the whole thing of all these emails in the show notes, but he basically says that he's one of these mysterious folk that are actually excited to see venom. He is one of those Morrow marbles on bees from way back. And even though he knowledge is that the movie is probably going to be really bad and the trailers have not looked. He says, the trailer have looked terrible for us, nineteen ninety Spiderman lovers. Venom was Goto villain. His characters Zayn his intensity, his ability to toy with spider man made him a character who you rooted for almost as much as the main character. And basically he's saying that the character design venom in this film is enough like the. Got that right. And that's enough to make him want to use his aim see. Hey, to go see this movie theaters. Have you guys ever been like so attached to. You know the source material of something that when Hollywood made a movie adaptation out of it, the even though it looked like complete crap. You still, you know, were there opening night to see it. Oh, yeah. I mean, we talked about it a few episodes back, but last air bender. I want to see it opening night knows very bad decision. How about you? Chris? I can't think of anything all the time. I, I'm sure it happened, but I mean, I, I was a huge Batman fan growing up, so I really excitedly went to see like Batman and Robin when that opened. But you know, that was like a different time like trailers online, whereas prevalent. So I, I don't think I really had any inclination that it was going to be as bad as it was when I saw it, but I was excited to see it at the time. And I think I've mentioned this on the air before, but the sound of thunders is good book in the, I think in the late nineties, early two thousand made a Hollywood version of it with horrible effect of visual effects in it's it's the bad moving. All the trailers made it look bad, but I was so excited to see in theaters and it was not good. So so it happens. It happens every once in a while but that. Okay, we've gone over the time. Thank you both for joining me HT where if people find more your. Online. You can find me everyday at slash film dot com. And I'm on Twitter at h TRAN, Billy Chris flu. Can people find your work? I'm at slash dot com as well. And I'm on Twitter at sea evangelist of four thirteen. It can find me at slash home on also so media. You can find all the articles we talked about on today's show on slash on the com- in linked in the show notes. This podcast, awesome dailies published every weekday, and I tunes Google play overcast Spotify, all the popular podcast apps as alongside slash on dot com. And if you want to send your letter to the mail bag your feedback questions, comments are concerned, send them to Peter at slash dot com. We can't guarantee that they'll make make it on the air, but if they do, please leave your name in general geographic location kits, we do mention it and please as always go, give us a good review on itunes. Tell your friends spread the word. We'll see you tomorrow. Okay, guys, that was good. I feel like you're gonna get angry letters for the CIA thing. Me. I'm not a terrible person. It just I have a weird reaction. Sometimes. Like for example, after I whenever I washed Hannibal, I got very hungry, but that's people. So that's different. Wait, wait, wait, wait a second. When you watched him nopal you've got really hung. Those dishes were designed futilely. No, I agree. I got hungry too. But again, that's if he were cooking animals. I'd be like, oh, no, I can't watch this, but people inspiring. Fine. You got me. Starry people don't hate me. I'm just a good person. I like dogs. I'm allergic to cats, but I like them too. Have you ever been to cafe. No, I don't think I could handle it because I probably would like my throat would close up, but I'm sure it's very nice. Probably if you did, you'd probably want to eat one of them. So.

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Talking Phobias, Are You Scared? We Are.

Happy Hour Gets Weird

1:00:30 hr | 5 months ago

Talking Phobias, Are You Scared? We Are.

"Are you that Weirdo? That brings a pure nephew phobia. Happy hour well. Then this is the podcast for you. Welcome to happy. Hour gets weird. Hi Guys I'm Cassie and I'm tiffany. This is happy hour gets weird. Welcome or welcome back Telo. We are a podcast that gets together. Every week has cocktails and talks about. We're Chit exactly and this week. We are drinking a botanical press so delicious and refreshing definitely. Give it a try. Yeah when I got here I was totally dead and I need caffeine and then I had a sip of this and I no longer needed caffeine. It woke me right up. It's so refreshing. So if you want the recipe in the picture of that head over to our instagram at happy arrogance weird pod. We always post our recipe and a picture and also on our twitter. Yep CHECK US out. Yeah and this week we are doing something kind of scary a little scary a little anxiety. Inducing it'll make you BARF. What well according to the symptoms okay. Mic GET NAUSEA Oh I don't know if we should lead with listen to this at you might bar. I don't know if that's really selling well. It just happened. So we're gonNA talk about phobias. This week we thought it would be an interesting weird topic to discuss. So we're each going to talk about a few different phobias. We've found kind of interesting and to get US started. Will you just explain a little bit about phobias? In general yeah sure. Of course I'd love to. Its would be my pleasure first off. I want to start by saying in no way. Are we making fun of people with mental illness? I myself struggle with mental illness. I have anxiety and I've dealt with depression and I also have a phobia of my very own. Happier gets weird is an entertainment podcast. We're here for fun and it's a place where Weirdos connect with one another because life is hard. Being an adult is hard. Being parents. Hard being woman is hard being just a second human heart. Yes and sometimes you just need to take a breather and listen to two experts of absolutely fucking nothing. You talk about Weird Shit and how I deal with kind of my anxiety and stress. I laugh to keep from crying. That's how I kinda him cope same with things. So if you're listening and you're going through something it is my goal to make you laugh a little bit. Give you a reprieve from whatever you're going through and we also want you to know that you're not alone. No never. You're if you're if you're struggling you're not alone and We're all in this together exactly so I just wanted to preface episode. We're not making fun of people with mental illness. If anything we're making fun of the phobias themselves yes. Perfect perfectly said right. Yeah I agree with you on everything I to have anxiety issues and you know they fucking suck but as long as you have somebody to Kinda hang out with and dish it out with. It makes it better. Yeah you know. Sometimes I This is going to be like a like super personal and I've never talked about this before but sometimes I have Anxiety about groups of teenagers. Okay I honestly that's fair. I've met teenagers. They for some reason they see me. They it's because a lot of them are so. I'm sure I was very mean teenager. But that's actually a phobia. A specific phobia is a fear of teenagers. Like in a group or even one on one even one on one people with F. Olbia fear of teenagers. I don't know the medical lot name for it but they will avoid teenagers at all costs. Which maybe now I have to phobias. Maybe you have the teenager phobia. Yeah honestly that's a fair phobia. Because teenagers can be brutal. Yeah I can't you know what I I WANNA dedicate this episode to high school teachers. They seriously have the hardest job on the planet. Yeah that's tough in this moment. That feels very makes him very anxious to have to get up every day and Stan in a in a room full in front of a room full of angsty teenagers. That are using words that you don't even know yes. New Slang new terms weird handshakes. They're pissed off for no reason. They smell weird. Yeah Gary Scary terrifying. Yeah I just traumatized myself anyways. All jokes aside. I'll get off my soapbox because my fear of heights is acting up and I will get into it so my sources. I looked at an article on health. Line DOT COM. And I also looked at. I hope I pronounce his correctly. Thera- BEIEVE DOT COM and. It was a specific phobia. Dsm Five Article What I used for this is the. It's called the D. s. m. five and what that stands for his diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders. And that's what psychologists psychologists psychiatrists and psychologists use to diagnose mental disorders outside of the norm. Okay my sources are very well. Mine Dot com fear of dot net. I read a little article on huffpost vice and common phobias dot com phobias are defined in the DSM five as extreme or irrational fears often persistent that compel suffers to avoid the object or situation to which there is connected as specific phobia relates to a particular stimulus that causes fear. Anxiety or avoidance and results in intense distress for the suffer now specific phobias have no single universal cause or pattern of development. They really don't know it's not like neurological thing that you can track. Most specific phobias develop during childhood and adolescence although the disorder may be present at any stage often in connection with a traumatic experience. Yeah that's what I read in in pretty much everything that I read said. They were typically related to a traumatic experience as a child but some people grow out of that and then some people don't yeah so it could be heredity. It could be depending on how severe the trauma was really just. Don't know what could trigger the phobia right. Yeah there's a couple I was reading. Actually you just jogged my memory. There's a couple ways of phobia could spring about one. It could be a learned phobia from a caretaker to it could be from a traumatic event. It could be I think hereditary heredity heredity hereditary movie. Oh I think it's the same thing though right heredity. Yeah let's just go with heredity. Your tomorrow one. Out of both of us. I mean half the time I make up words I'm not. But what is hereditary and heredity are the same things. Yeah right sure. Why not if we say it Dr Tapeworm so I just remembered I was reading something while doing research and it is could be like for example? Something that you could grow out of like you said is a fair bathing. Some Kid's fair bathing. They grow out of that. I hope you grow out of that if you have some people don't want. I know people don't rough that's hard. Yeah that could cause a lot of other issues to spring up like isolation definitely anyway so that I found. That was interesting that you could even A phobia could be a learned behavior. So if your parent hasn't the phobia or if the parent puts fear and you have a situation than it can cause a phobia. Yes exactly thank you for giving me one more thing to worry about. As a mother thinks casts I was went. You know honestly when I read that I was like. Oh my goodness by doing the doing this to my children because I have a phobia and it's you know my kids know about it. Yeah it pops up every now and then so I'm not sure if mine qualifies as a phobia but now. I'm afraid that in passing that on to my kids my gosh. I can't wait to talk. Shit I cannot wait to talk with. Mother is so difficult is it's really difficult. And that's why we have happy hour every week yet. Exactly this is exactly why we have this podcast. Okay according to the DSM specific phobias typically within five general categories but they're not limited to these categories fears related to animals such as spiders dogs index Fears related to the natural environment heights. Thunder darkness fears related to blood injury or medical issues. Shots broken bones falls. I just remembered when I said I hated blood so much that I'd throw a rock at somebody who was bleeding. That might well phobia. Oh no now I'm Gonna I'm gonNA discover that I actually have seven phobias when I thought I had won by the end of this episode. Same saying seriously. Same fears related to specific situations such as flying riding in an elevator driving a car and other classification which is like choking loud noises drowning very specific something. You can't categorize there's just no category miscellaneous miscellaneous project. Phobias can be treated with a combination of therapy and medications now. Medications would be like anxiety medications just to reduce the anxiety. One effective treatment which I found particularly terrifying is a type of psychotherapy called exposure therapy. Yes and during exposure therapy you work with a psychologist to learn how to desensitize yourself to the object or situation that you fear You get exposed little by little to what you fear so You know what I want to know is what about fear of shot. They give you shots. I think they would probably start by showing you the needle. And then you'd hold the needle and then yeah. In one of my phobias. That was luna the best ways to get over it and I wrote gradual exposure to the object and then that just made me think of like slowly removing your pants which is not at all what they mean by exposure. I wrote gradually exposing yourself to just like exposing yourself in slow Mo just slow most thing in front of the object. I you know I You don't like that idea though I mean. How else would you become desensitized to it unless you were around it? That's true we'll get into that at the end we'll talk about our personal experiences with phobias and fears and stop and I will. We'll just talk about. I'll save it for the end. Okay I also read. Did you read that? Hypnosis has also helped yes but I personally would never be let myself be hypnotized. I don't Wanna be open to someone else's suggestions so I would not choose that route with phobia. What if you had somebody else in the room with you? So then they give me their ideas. I would just take on someone else's ideas you don't trust anybody enough to be in the room with you to make sure that they're not hypnotizing. My fear is being hypnotized. An every time you see the color red you you crow like a rooster yeah. That's exactly what I'm talking about Crowe. I believe it's Cockatiel do I'm saying if somebody else's in the room with me to keep me safe from a right I don't like the idea of hypnosis or hypnotherapy because first of all you could implant false ideas you could also. I read a book. Yes it was fictional but is not a far stretch to be realistic a therapist? Who was clearly. The villain of this book was hip treating his patients for phobias. But he was actually while he was he was treating them with hypnosis and while he was hypnotized them he was planting new phobias. Yes creepy yes and also I think there's There was a movie. Or maybe it's the same book where he was also planting Ideas to rob banks for himself He was hypnotized his patients and having them rob banks. Wow and give him the money. I was under the impression that when you're under hypnosis you couldn't do. You could never be hypnotized into doing something that you were morally opposed to. That's what I understood. So if it was if you're hypnotized and they said go shoot that person. You wouldn't do that unless you actually wanted to shoot that person or rob a bank or what have you. I don't think that you can be hypnotized to do things that you are morally against right. But what if I have loose morals anyways? That's what I'm saying. I would eventually do it. They'd just the free will. Yeah exactly okay. I just don't trust anybody that's fine. I think we're off on a tangent here. Yeah you're probably rain at him. Yeah all right. Do you want to go over some of the symptoms that you would have if you experience a phobia sure? So a phobia triggers basically any fear response that you might have those include anxiety dread anything associated with panic such as shortness of breath or rapid breathing irregular heartbeat excessive sweating nausea dry mouth inability to articulate words or sentences shaking anything like that. Yeah they also be paralyzed if you see the object if it's a situation like that I've experienced all of those with a with my beer. It's pretty bad okay. And you're gonNA tell us. Tell us at the end. Nope it's a mystery. What do you have to get no? Yeah of course I'm GonNa tell you okay. Okay all right so I picked one. That's not I saved my phobia for my last one. But I picked one that I find. I don't have a phobia of it but it does make me squeamish like just the idea and this is claustrophobia. Okay I don't like it. I can understand how someone would have. This phobia and basically claustrophobia is a fear of tight confined or small spaces insert vagina joke here. So that is Basically what Claustrophobia is. I think that that is even. If you don't necessarily have a phobia of it I think most people don't really enjoy confined spaces. Well I mean you have to think about some some trades that have to deal with confined spaces like a plumber has to crawl under a house. I mean you definitely could not be claustrophobic and do that job. No and there's also probably like people that ride in elevators that live work in office spaces that could be not only is there. Phobias specifically for writing in an elevator. But I think claustrophobia would also play into is a small confined space Think about the Japanese underground railroad System I mean they call it Bart or Muny in San Francisco which was the one that I or the subway. Yeah I mean. Have you seen those pictures and videos of how many people they they stuff in those? I know but I don't like any of that. And Oh you mean how he will they stuff in the subways like cremant. Yes and also when you said underground I would never ever want to go into a deep cave situation. Cave tunnels freaked me out. I read a Stephen King Book. Where the part of the cave collapsed and the people just died in their over days. All right. Well it's funny that you should bring up and I think that is the scariest thing in the world. It's funny that you should bring up caves in Claustrophobia. Because I save this article I'm and this is from on I. I found. I saw this picture on instagram. It's spirits and oddities and mysteries and it's a picture of this man. No Yeah I'll post it on our instagram episode. And it's I'm just GonNa read it. This is from their instagram on November. Twenty third two thousand nine. What my birthday. I'm sorry. Oh my God. K Twenty six year old man named John Jones set out to explore Nutty Putty Cave a hydrothermal cave located in Utah as he went further and further into the caves tunnel system. He eventually ended up getting stuck upside down in a narrow passage while rescuers did try to save John. They were unable to get him out because of the caves tight angles because of this all they could do for. John was feed him an injection drip and his in his leg which contain drugs to calm him down and after twenty eight hours stuck in this position. John eventually passed away from suffocation. What yeah but because of this the family and the land owner got together and they sealed this Cape so it could never happen again. That is awful but I honestly would never go like exploring caves at all. I I have a horrible sense of direction side for sure. Get lost but that's so terrifying fifty years later you'd come out like all white with like all know that is so terrifying it is and there's nothing. Oh God and it's dark dark okay. This is terrifying me just that I told you it was going to be scary. Just that picture alone makes my stomach do that not thing. That's awful. Yeah that is awful and rest in peace John Jones. That's terrible. Are you done with your terrible phobia? Yeah that was traumatized now from that. That was awful. I told you CLAUSTROPHOBIA. I I I. I totally can empathize with people. That have claustrophobia. When it's like I know what Claustrophobia is but I didn't think it would be so awful. Yeah hearing and talking about it. It's awful I mean. Have you met me. I'm an awful person. I dispute awful thing. There's another phobia on my list. Now I guess okay Yuga okay. Video Phobia yes. I'M GONNA say all of these wrong. Yeah me too just like it. Just enjoy it ovidio phobia or ofi o phobia like you need to hard ways to say. This is the fear of snakes Okay it is possibly the most common subcategory of her pet. O Phobia fear of animals. Fear of reptiles. Oh some people believe that. This fear is an evolutionary trait. A sort of survival mechanism ingrained in our brains from Caveman Times. Yeah Okay I can see that it makes sense. Then it's like I don't know. Then why does everybody have it? Why isn't everybody afraid of other caveman things? Not Everybody has the same. Dna. That's true so it's that's a DNA thing that makes her heredity hereditary heredity. There you go both both all bases covered. Well I'll say one version. You say the other version. Do you think that Indiana Jones had this fear absolutely snakes vine snakes. He hated him. Yeah and but for me personally. Who's had a crush on Indiana Jones? My entire life almost same. I just like him better. He's a it's it's a vulnerability that you don't get to see usually with bike sexy whip-wielding men. Yeah usually when you're the hero of the story and you're supposed to be the tough Guy Kickin ass taking names. Bring it down Nazis. You don't have like a fear that you talk about. Yeah it's another layer. It is he. Indiana Jones is like the the hottest onion yes in the world. Yes and he has a whip so some people what this phobia might not even be able to look at a photo of snake while others are fine with things like a picture or seeing them on. Tv They just can't handle being in contact with a large remnant venomous snake. It's a very situational person by person. Case by case kind of phobia does that make sense. Total sense My mom has a fear snakes. Yeah I know someone with the fear of snakes too. And he's a big strong guy and even a small snake he's like no fucking way A lot of Actually a lot of men have fear of snakes. Yeah interesting my mom. She does she. I think we've actually have done our version of exposure therapy with her. We just hide snakes around the house pets or you were just like lecture doors. Open a like ha ha you homophobia. Lynch terrify the shit out of you. You had those cans where you open them in a fake snake yes or rubber snakes rape children and a great family are wonderful. We are the most loving the most kind and the most empathetic. I think she's desensitized a little bit but she still does struggle I think she could probably look at a picture now. They live in. I've talked about this a bunch of times. They live North Idaho. Which is a perfect place for someone who is afraid of snakes because it's too cold for venomous snakes there. Oh really. There's so many animals there. They have water snakes and Garter snakes and they call a something they call rubber Boa constrictors. But they're very small. They're not big. Okay but yeah. So that's there's no venomous snakes in North Idaho interesting. Yes she does. Okay but yeah. She's pretty rough sometimes. Yeah this is another phobia that I totally get behind and I can totally remind around it but the problem with this kind of phobia is that some people are not quite as brave and as tough as your mom. Some people will avoid any situation where they might come in contact with a snake which can obviously inhibit your life. You know. It's not the best like some people. Avoid going to zoo. Avoid certain movies. Avoid going on hikes because they might run into a snake so I think that that's the main issue with a phobia like this is not necessarily that you're afraid of snakes. It's more that it could hinder your life experiences. Because you won't put yourself in situations where you could even possibly come across the snake. Yeah but the good thing about this phobia is that it has an excellent chance for successful treatment. So maybe that's why your mom was able to overcome it by exposure to snakes. Because apparently it's kind of an easier one to get past. Okay compared to some other phobias. Which are harder to? Yeah I mean I could see some phobe. It like Whitsett agoraphobia where you're afraid of big spaces and crowds I mean that. Would I could imagine that it'd be a very difficult I feel ain't to overcome. Yeah I feel like that's one that's really difficult. Yeah and that affects day to day. Yeah I mean stakes. Maybe you off your hiking at how pass. Yeah snakes you can still go to the grocery store or do your Christmas shopping. And you're not gonNA run into a snake right unless everybody on your Christmas list. Ask for a snake. I mean get new friends. Those people are awful for starters so that is a video phobia for you all right. I'm glad you pick that one. Okay so go next and I have the next one on. My list is s call. Okay these names are just. I'm just going to go for it. S caller phobia and that is fear of escalators. Oh I think I kind of picked phobias that I could relate to or like understand really that I could relate to. I guess escalators number one. They're confusing okay. They just realized what I said. All right it's hard sometimes to gauge. When this step is going to come to get on yes or get off or get off. It's kid it's a potential safety hazard. Always difficult trying to figure out what to get off. It's a big timing issue. Do I John. Deutch STEP DO I. You know it's so funny. Is I watch those videos. Where they're there's like mostly dancers but as like a funny joke. They'll stop on the escalator. And then just let their legs go up and do the splits all the way up the escalator. I could never do that. I think it's so funny but I actually watched when I was a child and my parents were here responsible They let me watch the X. Files and I watched the one episode where that yellow eyed slimy man lived underneath the escalator. Also that scared the IT scared the shit out of me I never. I could never bring myself to watch x-files the same. I've never watched the entire series after that I. It's a creepy episode. It didn't make even when I watched all the X. Files like two years ago and I watched that. It was still creepy. It's scary and it didn't necessarily make me afraid of escalators. It made me afraid of people with yellow eyes. That's fair. Do you run into a lot of those I you could. I mean it was just it was that man was very scary to me and he made like this weird hamster nest under there. It was very disgusting anyways but one thing that I do enjoy about. Escalators are videos of people riding scooters trying to get on escalator. Sometimes when I'm feeling grumpy in a bad mood I will. Youtube people riding scooters escalators. At eight totally puts me. There's no way that can work right yet. But that's that's what's so funny about. It is clearly you and. I know that it's not gonNA work. I mean I don't know what this says about me as a person that I it says nothing bad. It's on Youtube. Everybody loves it. Okay okay okay. 'cause I mean it looks painful? Yeah Yeah Yeah. I don't know it's who knows why people do this yet. They do so when you have this fear. Did it talk about what part of escalator? You are afraid of probably the whole part or it could be the moving railing or it could be. It didn't talk about what part. It just said that people would avoid escalators. And do you remember when there was the all the stuff going around with like getting your shoe laces stuck an escalator? Yes terrified because that happened to somebody right. Yes and shredded her arm and leg. Yeah Oh you could get your long coat stuck and I'm you can get a scarf stuck in. Yeah laces anything could get stuck in there and it will literally shred your limbs off like is there a fucking Ufo Arnav roof so apparently my neighbor is cutting down h free and they're putting it in a chipper right outside of my house so if you can hear some crazy sounds it's not unfortunately a UFO. Yes my neighbor. Yeah sorry sorry about that. We just want to apologize. But there's literally nothing we can do besides getting a fight with the neighbors so that's not an option and they should probably know by now that we're podcasters and they should talk to us first before they landscape. Yeah I agree. I agree with that. The fact that they don't know is actually pretty. It's pretty selfish. It's selfish of them. It is it is all right. Where where we because? We got distracted by this noise. I think we were just finishing up. Your escalator phobia. Oh yeah about. How ESCALATES KID? Shred your limbs off. Yes yeah that's similar to the wood chipper outside. We should have just went with that and been like sound effects for what that could possibly sound like such a good idea. So what? We said earlier about the neighbor Would shipping their tree. Actually it's just the sound effect of what it sounds like to get your limbs shredded off an escalator. Yes are are we being too aggressive? Okay Global Phobia. Do you know what this one is. No but can I guess yes Is it okay? I'm just going to go with? The obvious is a fear of earth. No it's a fear of ballooned. Oh what if? I'm just saying all of these totally wrong. It's fine. It's fine what I yeah. So people suffering from a global phobia. Fear the sight touch or even smell of balloons interesting. Global Phobia like we have set about most of these Phobias often stems from being traumatized as a child. Often balloon had popped in a person's face when they were very young and that sudden loud pop like the sound of a gunshot is frightening for Young Children. Usually people grow out of this fear of balloons. But sometimes they don't you know I think Fair balloons sometimes go hand in hand with fear of clowns two. I was actually going to say that you were spoiler. Oh sorry I hit him. Say is yes. They are often linked hand in hand. So I guess traumatized by a clown balloon experience. They're kind of Lincoln reign forever. Yeah on the other side of that. There is a fetish. There's a balloon fetish. There is a balloon fetish. Is there a clown fetish? Probably there's fetish for the Clown phobia is called Cora Fabio why not just clown fit Fetish Freudian slip. They're all so difficult to say. Yeah they are. I watched a clip of Anderson Cooper Anderson. Cooper's show yeah where they had people on that had the balloon phobia okay and they popped balloons on the show like on purpose to pose them yes. They asked their permission for okay and they were fine. But these people's anxiety was palpable. Yeah it was two or three women I C. I can't remember but it was more than one woman and they were both so terrified and it was. I mean it was honestly hard to watch because I felt bad for them but they were brave and they they didn't and they got through it and they said that it was okay. It was manageable. The woman said the popping. The balloon in front of her was really helpful because she had this idea of the sound of the balloon popping and the smell of that latex see smell air gushing in her face and all sorts of things and that reliving it as an adult she realised how she had over dramatized in her mind. It scares as a child but as an adult it was manageable. So it was actually. It was cool. Okay so when you when you think to yourself that you know how could somebody have this phobia or that phobia when you see the people that are actually suffering from the phobias? You see how difficult it is and how much they have to overcome to get past him so I appreciate it watching this show. It was interesting. Yeah I I never think like oh how could you even be scared of that like I totally get it? That's because we both have. I think we're both pretty empathetic. But we also both suffer from things like that but some people they might not not. Everybody has the same sort of empathy that you have. You know yeah Also I wanted to mention okay in relation to this phobia If you feel like you suffer from global phobia. Don't be too hard on yourself. Because sodas the Queen Herself Oprah. You're kidding did you hear this. No you didn't know this. No so in two thousand thirteen. She admitted her fear of balloons after her fortieth birthday party where her staff covered the floor and room with balloons in celebration. So that means every party Oprah has had. There's been no balloons. I think that maybe there were a few balloons but this balloons it was this party. It was intense balloons everywhere because it was her fortieth in the end. Oprah ended up facing her fear and walked through a sea of latex. She did kick balloons out of her way. There was just. It was seriously balloons everywhere. Did she get she she was fine? She overcame it and it kind of used it to herself. As a way representing overcoming your fears. I love it I love Bre. Yeah she kind of made it a lesson for herself. Of course she would. Of course you would. That is Oprah does. So she's like it was a learning moment and it just now I just look back on it and think to myself like if I can overcome this fear I can overcome any fears that stand my way. I honestly don't know if Oprah's fear of balloons is at the level of a phobia. I don't know if it's technically a phobia or something that she's uncomfortable with but it still made me feel a little better about myself to think that. Oprah's afraid of balloons. I mean if Oprah can have a phobia than anybody can. Yeah seriously. Yeah I agree. What what were you just looking at? What's Your Botkin this? Yeah there was vodka in this. Yeah okay there's Vulcan grapefruit juice I told you that Roy. Yeah I'll be I just I add more. No I thought there wasn't any like I feel like the trick on me. There was there was a shot and there is this. Sounds like when you had the GIN and you said it's a non alcoholic. Gin Unlike Rampart happened that night. Yes I do okay and this brings us. I think to our final in-depth Phobia. Do you want to save your phobia because it's personal for the end and I'll tell one more doesn't matter to me but sure your job. Your last phobias personal right. Yes it is okay I wanNA save it for the because I feel like save the best for last okay. So you have to say okay. This is my last phobia That I'M GONNA share okay and I'm going to be in it with a story. Okay Oh all right in two thousand sixteen Turkey to friends. Why do you have to give me this jerky the place or a Turkey? The place okay. Nobody's ever just said like there was a Turkey there in the room. I'm just wondering two thousand sixteen. I mean if you're partly it was a Turkey that would be a very different story. I just wanted to know where this was going. I'm sorry clarification. Okay in two thousand sixteen Turkey to friends and co-workers were at their place of work one of the men no wing of his friends somewhat. Bizarre Phobia taunted the other with a lemon. What the taunted man lost his cool and fear overtook him out. No he went to his truck pulled out his rifle no and fatally shot his friend. What the fuck the shooter reportedly said I am so sorry that I have killed my friend. It is the lemon UC. I cannot stand the sight of them. They make me crazy. Isn't that terrible? It is awful. I mean The friend taunting him obviously didn't know how bad it would disturb him and the front. Who did it immediately remote remorseful. He said that he didn't intend to kill him. He just intended to scare him the same way he had been scared by the lemon. I don't think that lemons and guns are punch him in the face. Yeah just punch him or throw the lemon at us. I guess you wouldn't touch the lemon and lemon's he wouldn't touch a lemon. Yeah no pick up. Anything within arm's reach like here's the thing you have enough peace of mind to walk out to your truck. Get in and drive away. I believe that the act of walking to the truck to get the gun makes it premeditated I agree with that. I I think that's league. I mean I don't know about the in Turkey but I'm saying here. I believe that that is legally makes it premeditated just that much time because that's like your cooling off period. Yeah it's an awful story. Well how about this? Put The keys in the truck and drive the fuck home. It's an awful story. Yeah terrible Acerra phobia is the fear of sourness or things. That tastes our. Oh so it. Wasn't dilemma. It was the fact that it was sour. Ooh That's a twist I didn't see coming people have this. Fear might avoid sour foods such as lemons or pickles. I'm assuming that the man for my story had this phobia unless maybe he has a very lemon specific phobia that I did not find. Yeah yeah this. Fear like most others stems from a traumatic event surrounding sour foods as a child and it can also be heredity hereditary tomato tomato potato potato nation niche route route. I go to this day. I see a question. Have you ever heard anyone colored potato? That's how I say what are you. What are you trying to say? Is that not okay? Well I guess I won't ask you if you want to auto for. Tato we've really hit a low in the forty five minute marker drinks kick in all the same time are jokes get real bad honestly. I the whole reason. Why did a Sarah Phobia however the fuck you say? It is because when I was looking at my phobias I found the story of this man who had killed his friend over a lemon right and to me I was just. I can't even imagine that whole situation. It's so beyond anything that I can understand happening. All right and I truly wonder if he has that phobia or if he has some other something else that he's struggling with. You want to hear my theory. Yes this the man with the lemon was sleeping with his his wife my wife his wife and he used the lemon phobia as a cover up. Because there's like you wanted to claim innocent by insanity rent type thing. Yeah maybe. His wife was the lemon twist. I love it. We need to pitch that. If anybody's listening still sitting after the potato chip so if anybody is still listening after the potato joke listen we've got the script for you. Yes my wife. The lemon drinks alcohol. Okay okay all right I am crying. Oh my goodness that was an interesting story. I call bullshit. It's sad for the man who died though. Of course it is. What do you feel sad for the fucking lemon slutty citrus? That put everyone in this situation. Please don't fuck a lemon. That would hurt so bad. Oh my God could you imagine i WanNa know your phobia? Okay so I have. Well let me just tell you how I discovered my phobia. I was a big city doctor. I moved to a small town in Middle America. My wife and I bought our dream home. I can't I can't get through it. I just. It's tougher to get through okay. I'm sorry it's just triggering to retell it. We are dream home. It was on a beautiful piece of property and I was going to take over. The local practice. Physician had just retired. You Melt doctor in this story. Yes Okay Sarah and I shall open town with my wife and kids until we moved into our house where living wonderful life and people start dying mysteriously. Yes and at the same time Unbeknownst to us a student who is in South America was killed and his body was shipped home to my town then. I moved to And in his coffin no was the deadliest spider on the planet it is just is just the storyline from Arachnophobia. Oh Gosh what. A terrible bit anyways. I it's better than potato potato. I actually I don't think it is anyways all joke. You really do have a fear of spiders. I do yes. You don't have to be a small town doctor. I was a big city city doctor. We moved to the small town. Get Out of the big city. Yeah I have. I have ARACHNOPHOBIA. I've a pure spiders and it stems from a traumatic event. So my phobia really didn't kick in before like I had always been like Kinda like skied out by spiders. But my phobia really didn't kick in until like like it's full on phobia status now And it really didn't happen until I had My kids it was weird so and I remember specifically my first apartment. I had bought a couch like a friend of a friend and it was in their garage. And I just you know Bot- it didn't even wash it 'cause I guess I'm a hamster and I was at one point just sitting on it reading a book and I look over like icy movement on the top of the couch. It's a full on big ass black widow just like ricky walking across the back of the couch and I was like I mean obviously freaked out and screamed and my friend happened to be there and he got them. We found another one in the couch. Shit we spread the cushions and he found another one So it was like a full-on black widow den but I really didn't think too much about it. After that like I you know. Yeah and then We moved. We had a house. Bill I tell you what like two years ago now and when we moved in there was a lot of spider activity for some reason. I don't know why inside and outside the House they were just everywhere everywhere and I don't like I was like borderline phobia before I've always had like an exterminator. Yeah spray the House. We asked because it takes male and So I had the exterminator. Come out I I should have in hindsight I should have had him come out before we even moved in and spray but I didn't well actually I wanted to but it was my husband who's like it's a brand new house. We don't need one wrong. Go Dog GO BRONCO DONGO IF I said at once. I've said it a thousand times wrong doggone so I we started to have a lot of spider activity like they were like coming off the ceiling and dropping down on us and they were everywhere. I was growing five day inside the house. Gross it was insane so I had our exterminator. Come out and he sprayed around the house. I'm not kidding you. Then there's like thirty dead spiders like when they spray they like. Don't die right away. So they like crawl up and die. There had to be like thirty dead ones and like half of those ten of those were probably black widows. That's when you think your phobia was triggered by this. Well being all of these half dead spiders were under house. No I found him in the house. I know that's what I'm saying around in in your house I'm saying like is that. What triggered your phobia? Do you think Just it was a full on spiders nest that we lived in and it just what really triggered it is. I started to find live ones inside the house and it wasn't just like how spiders which freaked me out but it's like the poisonous ones. I found for live black widows in the house and they you know. See it's weird because have this phobia. But then I'm also obsessed like I need to find out like what their patterns are what they look like. What their webs look like Just so I can find that. I'm like obsessed with finding them. We'll maybe it's more not even a phobia necessar- necessarily for yourself but because you have small children in the House that's where my phobias stems. From is I have a huge fear of my children being bitten by a poisonous spider. But then if I do find I totally freeze. I can't kill it. I can't step on it. I can't spray it. I can't I totally free. I panic you know the irregular heartbeat. Dry Mouth sweaty. I freeze and I have started to avoid places where I think. There is a high spider activity happening. I have started my own version of exposure. Therapy I mean I forced myself to look at him started to force myself to kill him like I went from taking an hour to like build up the courage to kill one to like forty five minutes. And then it's thirty minutes and then it's ten minutes now it takes me like where a normal person who's not afraid could smash it right away like even with their hand or their foot or a. Napkin. Like I can't even smash it with my foot. There's no way with a shoe on. There's no way like I'm getting like freaked out. You'RE GONNA anxious getting hot and sweaty even like the the idea of like having to touch with body part. You should know though that that is really admirable that you're taking these steps yourself to try to get over this phobia. I can't like I said can't fuck my kids up. Yeah you know I can't I don't want to set this example of irrational fear. Like it's okay like it's yeah it's not okay. I have to fix it so I forced myself to look at pictures like when we go to the zoo in the reptile things. Sometimes they have like spiders force myself to look at them and it's a very specific type spider. It's not necessarily translate as they don't bother me. It's a small ones with the pointy legs probably yes appointed lake. Spiders really disturbed me. Yes it's it's I just like got physically sick for a second. I can't so it's something I'm working on. I forced myself to look at them. I now know that I didn't know this before but Black Widows Malt did you know that No yeah they moult so when they're born they actually are brown and they have spotted abdomen And then they molt and the the males stay brown and spotted and the females. Kurds are our shiny black EXO skeleton. Or whatever the fuck it's called and with the red hourglass yeah on the on the on the bottom so it's something working through it's like it's hard for me and my husband doesn't understand. I don't think he realizes phobia level like it's to the level that it is I can. I am terrified like I have nightmares. I have probably weekly nightmares. That's awful. It's time so sorry that you have to struggle with that but you should be proud of yourself that you're taking steps like I said to work through this and also I understand where you're coming from that you don't want to pass on an irrational fear to your children but you're only human. Well be superwoman. You can't have. You can't be her the perfect person for your children all the time. A better lesson for your children is for them to see that you have something that you know that you're struggling with and that you are working hard to get over that struggle. Yeah I think that's a better lesson than than them just thinking that you're the perfect person. Yeah no I agree. They both know that I'm afraid of spiders. Don't be too hard on yourself. He knows I'm working through it. Sometimes I can. If it's a small spider he'll kill it for me. See that's a good lesson though. He knows that you're working on it. And that's really the best lesson you can teach. Your kids is even. If you're struggling with something. Just keep working at it and you'll get through it and that's the best at any of us can really hope for. Yeah right yet. Yes yeah well and I didn't tell you. We had something the inside of our house in our other house. We don't live in anymore. We had a hatching and they were everywhere. Oh there were like falling from the ceiling. And they're like little bitty babies and it was like a night before we are leaving on like a three week vacation. We found like that afternoon and they were ever. I didn't sleep one wink. I just pretty gross at crippling. They were everywhere everywhere dirty. That's the thing that scares me. Is there so tiny? Yeah that's really. That hatching incident is like really where it stemmed from. And I was starting to get Mike neuroses I was starting to like any movement than with little or any spot like any dust. Bunny any feather down couch any further any anything. It was like anything little or dark I I would. I WOULD LOSE MY MIND LOSE IT. I would spiral immediately. I'm better now. I'm giving I'm giving my zone psychotherapy and exposing myself so it's it does. Your therapy does work. Well thank you for sharing that Mike. All itchy thank you for sharing that phobia with us though you're welcome and if you're listening in you experience you or have a phobia it's like. I don't have your exact phobia have regna phobia but I definitely know what you're going through. It sucks. Yeah I don't know if my fear of the dark is necessarily phobia level like I don't know at what point it changes from. Fear to phobia. Does that make sense? I don't like the dark and when you said that about breaking our kids out about stuff I feel like my kids leave but their TV on because of me. And that's a really really bad habit. And I have tried to be in the dark at night and it just I just get very anxious and sounds like a phobia to me. I just don't like it. I know that if I were in a dark room like if if I had to be in a pitch black situation for any extended period of time. I think that I would have like a panic attack. That's a phobia. I think that would qualify. I'm not a radical professionals. People have a panic attack up there in a pitch black room for like twenty minutes in total darkness where you couldn't see anything doesn't bother me at all. I'm not in the slightest bit. I just actually relaxed. Really no not at all. Not in the slightest bit. Well I guess. I've phobia then. I like to look at everything on a spectrum. I don't think things are black and white so maybe I have a low end phobia. Yeah I think everything runs on a spectrum. So maybe you do. Maybe 'cause I mean yes. Would it make me uncomfortable? Because I couldn't see absolutely but if it was a familiar room if it was do I sleep in the pitch black. It's hard for me to fall asleep because obviously you can't see if there's like but I would be afraid of like what's in the dark dark itself yes. I think that I'm afraid of what's in the dark to. I don't think that just the darkness. I think that that is what's scary about the dark is it's putting yourself in a situation where everything around you is unknown. I don't have the best icee anyway. So it's like later. I'm I'm an easy prey for an ambush. Never knows what's going on around her. She can't see anything. No never did actually tell her earlier. She's a prescription for glasses to me. Actually more scary is a desk like a desk is happening. I can't see shit. It's like the worst lighting inc. It's almost like my eyes have evolved to see in the dark because they can't see it all so she's basically an ex-man that's probably. You don't like caves. Yeah very dark very dark. I don't like that yeah also adds to my cave. Fear the darkest place in the world. Yeah no fuck that young that there's probably that if it caves in. Oh my God this is freaking me out okay. I think this is a great time to get to our wrap up. Okay because honestly freaked out. Yeah I have a honorable. Mentions just some phobias. I thought were you know the real phobias. But they're kind of you know weird and I thought they were interesting. So I'm going to mention a couple of those electro Alec. Electoral Phobia is fear of chickens. Oh can be aggressive aggressive so I get in Ana Mato Phobia Ana Mato phobe. I don't know where supposed to initiate. It's fine nobody knows which is the fear of names so I don't know how that would work in your everyday life. Would you just have no name? Would you not ask people's names? I don't know the IRS. Pago know phobia agoraphobia. Had that that that is fear of beards. Ooh I don't have that. Yeah I have the opposite of that I definitely you have a fetish for fish So yeah that would suck because my husband also has a beard and has had one for many years. They're so popular. They are very popular but fear of beards is it could be a two part. It could be that you had a traumatic experience with someone who had a beer that sat okay or it could be that you don't like that. The beard is hiding their face. Ooh Who are you yes. It could be two two sided phobia. The beard is the dark of your face. Yes it is let us bond. That's so deep and Krio phobia which is the fear of ice or cold. Oh Yeah and That's about it. That wraps up our phobia episode and I just want to you know it's. I'm sure if you've listened. It's probably not a secret that tiffany and I are fans of last podcast on the left. It's a it's one of our favorites. It's not for everyone but we love it. It's not for everybody but we're just the of sick fucks would like to be honest so But Marcus Parks is one of the CO host. And he does the most of the research for last podcasts on the left and he also has a mental illness. I believe he's bipolar. Been diagnosed bipolar. And one of the things he said in more recent episode and it Kinda resonated with both of us is he said having a mental illness is not your fault but it is your responsibility and I just thought that was such a beautiful way to say like Hey I get I get it but you need to take care of yourself and I just wanted to end this episode with that. 'cause we we touched mental illness And like are both personal journeys with mental illness. And you know if you're feeling down or you're feeling a certain way reach out. Take care of yourself talk to somebody contacted Dr or contact somebody in your life. Who could help you get help? You need to take care of yourself. Kids your important. You are important and you're not alone. You're not alone no But it is your job to take care of yourself definitely and I just wanted to end the episode on that because I just thought it was. It was a wonderful way to be empathetic to people with mental illness. But also be accountable accountable. Exactly beautiful a write in. That's our phobia episode. Thank you so much for listening as always. Yeah and I want to remind you to love yourself. Lock Your Doors. And Lights and sage cheers to that to that.

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EPISODE #058: What are you so afraid of? Tom & Manda obsess over their favorite phobia-inducing films!

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EPISODE #058: What are you so afraid of? Tom & Manda obsess over their favorite phobia-inducing films!

"The following may contain trigger words for people with certain types of phobias listener. Discretion is advised on not afraid Searching for the unusual the obscure the forgotten treasures hidden deep within streaming media. This is the deep dive hugged danced in the Sun. All DOWN TO CONTINUE TO DIVE O. Divers DON'T BE AFRAID. It's just us your friends here at the deep dive podcast a never ending quest to find the best and sometimes worse content hiding in your streaming media libraries because you probably watched everything else. But I'm Tom. Finney writer for weighing shot movie magazine available on Amazon Dot Com and with me and without me as always is my Cova Co host. The amazing man delorean That's getting better every week. I mean how are you holding up? Sh yeah well. I'm I'm holding. I'm holding and it just it feels on like The years gone by super-quick and also super slow at the same time. Yeah Yeah I get that. It's a weird that I'm trying to find but I'm healthy and I'm what are they saying? Happy and healthy at home. Yeah so a lot to be grateful for but yeah man. I'm really bummed out that it's Memorial Day weekend that were recording this and There isn't going to be a barbecue at my parents house or is it going to be any swimming. It's a whole new type of year for us. It's IT'S GONNA be one for the history books for sure absolutely and they're they're saying you know there's the I think it's triple A. That tries to estimate how many people are going to be traveling during holiday weekends and things like that. They're not even to venture a guess this time. They said they said No. We're out. We're not even going to do it. So that's how weird it is. People are just not gonNA. They're not gonNA go anywhere know. And you know as far as Memorial Day goes this is certainly WANNA remember because it. Just we're we're in this weird limbo world and you know we're we're trying to come out of it but then again maybe not or is it going to come back and yeah who knows yeah. You just really don't know you follow one social media one you know media post and it's different from the other one and I don't know but you know something I did. Do I went on Amazon. I bought myself a portable grill and portable. It's really cute and by portable. I mean it's like a one. Two three time used it comes in this giant silverware tray with brick thirty in With like some later something in a tiny little grill. Mesh thing you light it up. Yeah and then within ten minutes you're cooking and I put it on my balcony and I don't know if my landlords okay with that but we did it and we made some halfway decent burgers. Nice yeah you do what you can you know. Yeah no I like that. That's pretty cool you though because you're like in a you're in a section of the world that is normally very very busy. Yes you know like gun shots and and the ambulance rides and all that very quiet where you're at it. Well you would think. But here's the fun part yesterday I'm working I'm actually writing some things for for the podcast and I hear this explosion and what is going on and so I go outside and apparently and I found one of my neighbors. I think you said this. Apparently somebody who's driving past our house through like an m. eighty or something of that nature Out of their window and it started a brushfire right next to our house and so we had to call the fire department and they put it out before it spread. It was actually by the timing is already spread and how yes so there. Smoke everywhere you know. All the neighbors are out like looking staring. What's going on and all that? So that's kind of excitement. I don't need people are really board where you live. Yeah they they must be. They must be because usually. It's not until July that we play our favorite game gunshots or fireworks my name so yeah. That was a little bit a little bit of excitement that I could totally do without. But Hey yeah that's what happens for you rate your home families. Happy Healthy and safe. Yeah you know it's funny. It's like We all have our bad days where we're kind of laid over it and feeling the weight of everything Thankfully we don't have them all at the same time. One of us is having a bad day and the other one. The other one's trying to you know. Pick them up so right you know. At least there's that yeah so we're you know we're hanging in there. Luckily you know we're we're doing okay. it's like. I said it's weird. But hopefully at some point we'll get back to some sense of normalcy exactly and I guess the last thing is the most important question is how pumpkin. Oh the cat's great. The cat is great. The cat got we. We were able to get him in for some of his shots. I'd and he got his lion cut for the summer so he he looks like he's wearing socks on his feet and his tales. All Fluffy at the end. Looks like a q tip But I think he's happier with it because for some reason either he's more comfortable or he just scared. We're going to have him. Do it do it again. That he's been like very clingy on our laps all the time and he doesn't WanNa leave us alone so he's either happy or scared to death that we're going to send him back To have the one eightieth. My cats cats are mad. They just they. They do their own thing. I think they're sleeping more which maybe is not true because of course. I'm not home during the day normally but I think that they are Annoyed that we're so In their environment as they see it yes and the normal things that usually happen like you know they come running up to us and they're all playful in lovable and purring hasn't happened in like three months. My Cat Dexter just looks at me and says you know I'm good. You know it's funny. You mentioned that because last night I was watching a video with Jackson Galaxy. Know who that is. He's the cat down. Yeah and he was doing a video about how your cats behave during quarantine and it's interesting. Because he was saying yeah it it does happen where your cats can get sick of you and you have to do is especially if you work at home and you know you're on a whole different schedule. Is You have to get the cat acclamated to your new schedule. So you have to kind of if you're gonNA work at home Play with the cat. Some good intents playtime before you have to start work And then when you're on a break you WANNA pay attention to the cat. Then you WanNa you know and so you want to get the cat. Used to what your schedule is now. Because they've been used to a certain way of things happening during the day which makes sense you know and cats are used to having a certain they used to having a place to go to be by themselves and you know some quiet time. And if they don't get that they get antsy they get nervous just like anybody so I didn't realize that their personal space was the entire house. Yes and they don't like it when people are walking around their personal space all the time. They don't apparently they don't like that very. Yeah so I duNNo. It's kind of crazy but yeah it is good. Yeah and we're happy and we're doing another episode. Which is Great? And it's really fun because despite not being able to be in the studio as been able to connect US and We're still able to podcast really fun. Because I think it's important to stay creative as much as you can and times like this And if you can't to sort of at least reach out to other people and I know speaking for myself. It's mentally healthy to do this. Because you know it's it's an outlet. It's a creative outlet. It gives me something to work on besides actual work So it's it's a good diversion for me And you know and it's and it gives me an excuse to tell everybody else in the house to buzzsaw for awhile. So yeah that's always fun. Yeah but you know for some people it It's not it's not going great. You know people have a tough time. I think people who live alone or having a tough time more than others I know that sort of the front line workers you know are struggling And so you know. It's it's difficult time for everybody but more so for some people and that's a shame and those people should really be taken care of when this is all over so now everyth- everybody and this kind of leads us into our topic for today We all have fears that we deal with in our daily lives summer. Rational Irrational Science has given name to those fears. And that's called phobias right. Some are fairly calm. And you've got fear of which is Akra Phobia You've got Arafat era phobia which is fear flying. You know Here's one that I didn't know about and this is a this is actually one. That's kind of a possible to we're going through is NOSSA phobia which is irrational fear of developing a disease. Even though it doesn't seem rational anymore but And a new one. There's a relatively new one. I didn't know that there were new fears. How do you how do you make new fears? I guess But here's one that's called NOMOPHOBIA. Have you heard of that one? Is that the one where you're getting lost. that's close. It's the fear of being without your mobile phone. Oh Yes yes. Yes and so. If you're at your phone you freak out that is crazy and you know why this new focus because the world keeps happening and we keep developing new things that we get dependent on like our cellphones. Exactly I mean honestly if I were somewhere and I did that my phone I would probably be quite nervous too because in my mind I would think we'll make contact anybody. I don't have money. I don't have like telephone boxes anymore. Right and here's a funny thing though you know for with that particular fear Nomophobia. It's an irrational fear of being without your phone. Most people are scared after they lose it not before they lose their phone. So it's like I you know they're so scared of losing their phone they don't WanNa go out of the House because Oh my God lose my phone and you know. So that's where it gets like that paralyzing thing when it becomes really debilitating and that's that's you know that's awful if somebody has to deal with that sort of thing but but we're gonNA talk about Some fears today with our with our picks so for me. I'M GONNA go with Claustrophobia. Buck relevant relevant. Yes Oh yes absolutely. So claustrophobia is the fear of enclosed spaces according to Web. Md A website. You should never go to if you have any symptoms for anything Claustrophobia is. What's called a specific phobia? That's a fear of certain objects people or activities. There are many places that can trigger it like elevators tunnels airplanes or the average New York City apartment so capturing that feeling that claustrophobic feeling in film is not an easy task. It takes very skilled filmmaker to bring audience into an enclosed space. While you're watching big movie theater or at home so that's where I'm going to go with both of my picks today My first pick Deals with You know Claustrophobia. In a certain certain context so the past five or so years seeing the rise of the escape room Odds are one nestled between your local frozen yogurt shop and vape store Because it's like one of those things it's like trendy for a while and then it disappears hot. They were hot. They're kind of going down because now nobody wants to disclose in close base with strangers or family members I'm working talk. Kid Bachelorette Party yes. Well that's the only exception really So in very teeny tiny nutshell and escape room is a themed enclosure where a group of people try to work together and find clues that are around them in order to help them escape. Pretty simple in one form of quarantine or another. Our entire lives have become an escape room. But that's a whole other thing in the escape room. The stakes are purely fictional. Certain amount of time to find your way out before something supposedly bad happens but it's all in good fun. What if there was an escape room? Where your odds of leaving a live were next to none? I'm not talking about the recent movie called Escape Room because I haven't Sinop bypass. Aw nope nope. But that's A. That's a good example. Though is the nineteen ninety-seven Canadian production. Cube six rooms high twenty six rooms across seventeen thousand seventy six. Anybody remember how they got WIFI. Would they throw innocent people in here meeting? Punish so this gotta be a way out of trouble to build this thing and we could just walk out a good long look around and I got finished looking at us. We have about three days without food and water before too weak to move one. Wake up man. Something almost cut my head off the grid wall. You're not getting out of we. We need to get around the track. Their identified by prime numbers. Figure it out more talking Thorpe Gessen. You gotta save yourself from yourselves okay. I have not seen it but I saw previews researching this yes. So essentially the premises this five strangers wake up in a cubicle shaped room with no knowledge of how they got there. They quickly realized that the cube is a death trap. If you manage to find your way at a one qb find yourself in another cube. Each one with its own unique way to kill you. Each I know right. Each successive cube room has its deathtraps triggered in different ways There are some sound pressure things like that now. As these traps begin claiming victims survivors began turning on each other and becoming almost a worse threat to the cube itself. Now one of the five people trapped is not who they appear to be and may have more knowledge of the cubes workings. Then they let on so you know. You're you're kind of like wondering who you know who knows what who's kind of the mole. Who's in there? Who's you know? Who's WHO. What are the motivations of people are and how they have to try to work together? While not being at each other's throats to solve you know solve each cube and get to the next one and even if they do what they find at the end you know. Is there a reward or is it just futile? They're just GONNA the oldest Mark Die Anyway So yes you wonder your. And what's Nice about? This is one of those for anybody can die at any time. You know you. You See Arnold Schwarzenegger movie is The star of the movie But here you have no idea so you keep wondering who dies who survives wire there And what's really good about? It also is that there's no easy answers because we don't get any more information than the characters do and that's important because in a lot of movies you know more than the characters do and that makes you just want to say okay dummy know. Here's what's really going on. If you knew this you'd be fine. I kind of don't like movies where the audience is smarter than the characters on the screen. Yeah Yeah I lose interest pretty quickly. Yeah because it's like I you know I don't want to be spoon fed this just like the characters are not being spoon fed the so I always appreciate that in a movie where I have just as much information as the characters do but not more than that So all right that a lot So Cube for me. It's a brilliant premise. For a very very low budget production. There's one set there's five actors really And the most Karen thought are actually given to the setting of the cube six character It was actually designed by a mathematician With each side of the cubing exactly four hundred thirty four feet long and and you know since they're moving from cube to cube. They had to find a way to make each cube. That was exactly the same seem different because you so the audience wouldn't get confused so each time round moved to a different cube. The room was a different color. Same layout but a different color and it was. That's very clever because only one QB set was built so they use different color panels in the walls to show the audience. They were in a brand new room So I thought that was a great. You know a a a great clever use of space Happening and because of the movie does manage to be pretty CLAUSTROPHOBIC for its entire ninety minutes and the acting is pretty solid and oddly for a Canadian film. It's not funny. Oh the Canadians are so funny. They really are there people. Yes so it was actually a pretty decent hitting theaters and on home video which was a pretty big achievement for a film that only cost three hundred fifty thousand dollars to make so very low budget but very very clever so highly recommended. You haven't seen cube check it out the scores. It gets a seven point two out of ten on the Internet movie database and percent. Yeah sixty three on rotten tomatoes all right. Not Bad not bad. And of course as with any mildly successful there were sequels. Why not so in two thousand? And two to hyper cube was released. It added some more tech cubes that kind of exist in different dimensions and timeframes. And all that but it was kind of more of the same really wasn't as successful and then two years after that cubes zero was released and that kind of takes us outside the cube for the first time adds a little bit more World Building. It had better special effects pretty decent reviews so if I were to go watch the cube first and then for the sequels I've just go with cube zero and if you're still interested in the premise you can go to Cuba to. There's not really linear right. You can watch them out of order and that's okay so yeah. I mean if that's something that you're interested all of the cube movies are available for free on to be Voodoo and. I don't think we've mentioned this before the Internet movie database is streaming service I. Yeah I D T. V. So if you go to the Internet movie database. They actually have something called. Imdb TV which you can use to watch some things for free interesting. Yes I know right and I think one of the their spokesperson at least for a little while has been Kevin Smith so he needs to step up his game. Get people aware of what's going on if you don't mind I'm GONNA go ahead because with my second pick because it kind of ties in a little bit that there are many different triggers for Claustrophobia. Sometimes it's not the space around you. That feels like it's closing in. It could be the like the consequences of your own actions The tension the stress. The guilt over something. You've done that can make you feel like the walls are caving in around you. Which we've all felt that way at one time or another. I think to set up the pick so let me go back a little bit in some history in nineteen twenty four university students Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb convinced of their intellectual superiority over others decided to commit. The perfect crime is true They kidnapped and murdered a teenage boy after planning every little detail for seven months now the crime that they committed and they did do it was decidedly less than perfect after an intense police investigation. The pressure got to Richer Loeb. He confessed and they were both convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment. So this crime was the inspiration for my second. Pick and one of Alfred Hitchcock's most unusual films. Nineteen forty eight's rope tonight. A friend hot okay. You can say yes as well as in Texas the last time she ever saw him alive. And that's the last time you'll ever see him alive. What happened to David? Kelley changed my life completely. The lives of seven others. Rope is a fascinating experiment in filmmaking. Much like my first pick cube. The film primarily takes place on one set a very posh Manhattan penthouse apartment now just like Leopold and Loeb. The two main characters are college. Students and intellectual snobs played by Jon Dahl and Farley. Granger. They have just strangled to death. One of their classmates with a piece of rope. The pair hide the body inside a wooden chest in the apartments. Living Room at a further proved their superiority. They have a dinner party that evening. In the apartment with family and friends including the murdered classmates fiance and Pears Mentor and Economic Idol. Played by Tom. Hanks of the Nineteen Thirties and forties. Jimmy Stewart. Thus begins this cat and mouse game. Will anyone put the pieces together? Who will discover the body in the wooden chest? Will Jimmy Stewart. Figure out what his proteges are up to and would he support them or turn them in to the police. So coming from the master of suspense. Alfred hitchcock rope is pure excellence in filmmaking. But as I said it was an experiment. The film is presented practically in real time and edited to look like it was filmed in one continuous shot even though they could only shoot scenes in ten minute increments because of the limitation a film. Every ten minutes. They'd have to change the film in the camera. So the whole thing had to be carefully edited to keep the illusion of it being all one take. They couldn't do it. Of course. At the time you know the forties no digital also it had to be done on film and those film canisters only had ten minutes fill. Wow they had to cut it in such a way as they would like. Move the camera to a static location and then cut to the next scene while the camera was still in place after they had changed the film and then continue the scene. So it's really interesting. The way that hitchcock sort of designed this he designed the set to be able to move silently while the camera was being moved to they can move stuff out of the way to get the shots that they wanted do and in this way it almost makes the film feel like a stage production. It's pretty amazing to watch because as you're doing this. The sort of the suspense keeps building. Are they going to get caught? Are they going to get caught? Who's going to give it up? Is Somebody GonNa make a mistake? Who you know will. Will someone look in the chest to see what's going on And it's really cool because the even the title rope has a couple of meanings first of all it refers to what they used as the murder weapon but it also refers to Kinda the saying that you give somebody enough rope. They're going to hang themselves with Carter. And so it. It's just it's so because it's all the acting and the dialogue. That's and that's it because there's no there's nothing else to look at So yeah it's it's a great great film It's one of my favorites. It's not considered one of Hitchcock's best. I don't know why but you know after you've watched psycho and Vertigo. When north by northwest the other great ones checkout rope a recommend it enough As far as the scores go it gets an eight out of ten on Internet movie database in a ninety four percent on rotten tomatoes so nice big scores for rope You can watch it on most streaming services including itunes Amazon prime and Voodoo for a three dollars and ninety nine cent rental So yeah if you're looking for something that's really different But really just riveting you know no special effects no explosions. No one's in my backyard Yeah just for for the straight dialogue and the acting in the suspense. You not do much better than rope. So gets my highest recommendation. Nice very good I am interested in that one is so good you got to check it out. Oh well do so. You know what's interesting? How some fears or phobias are obvious for people? But not others yeah. I don't seem to be affected by CLAUSTROPHOBIA. Too Much I don't mind elevators. I don't mind kind of You know being in the woods being surrounded by lots of trees and not really knowing where I'm at or you know you go in caves caves around here because I think it'd be cool to be underground but the opposite of that for me is what terrifies me. And of course I'm talking about last of phobia which is the fear of so Lhasa Phobia the fear of It's the giant intense and persistent fear of deep bodies of water or the could be interpreted as the vast emptiness of the C- You know Things of being very far distant from the from the from the beach with the beach and far you go from the beach line and that kind trigger like Oh my God. I'm far away but anyway the reason why I picked this because I happen to be reading a book A little while ago because one of my creative outlets is reading. And I've gotten through. I think eleven books so far. You know it's not bad but I picked up Nathaniel Phil Bricks in the heart of the sea Because I love him as an author. He's a local Arthur. Actually he's a from Puckett. I believe and he'd a of yeah a lot of historical nonfiction which is right up. My Alley He he wrote one about the mayflower actually And I was drawn in by that but but anyways I picked up the book and I started reading it and I just in research on it so his book is an adaptation of Herman Melville Book Moby. Dick which is also based on a true story. The ship ethics that actually was Attacked and sunk by giant sperm. Well so let back during that in the very late I should say early. Eighteen hundreds so about eighteen. Fifteen to twenty something like that The whale ship ethics which by the way happened to be an American whaler ship from. Tuck IT Massachusetts. Hence why it's called Essex Was set out and it was in the Pacific Ocean where it was attacked and eventually sunk by a giant. Burn now of course. Herman Melville took the story and incision it enough. We're now we we know of only moby Dick Right Giant White Whale Whether or not it was actually why I'm not quite sure about that. But anyways the ship went down and the there were survivors now where it gets to be really tricky and also very uncomfortable. I guess Is that the survivors. Were then you know they were up against dehydration which is interesting when you're in a bed of water but of course also water starvation of course and exposure The survivors eventually restored it. resorted to cannibalism. Oh so it's one of those things where that is the actually. I think people would say that. That's the end of the rope. No no Pun intended. But you know for humans you know. Do you go as far as say the Donner Party did or or or this here. And there's actually plenty of stories throughout human history where humans have engaged in the consumption of other humans to survive You know there was a. I think there was a plane crash. Maybe in the seventy or something with a soccer team on board somewhere in Brazil yeah And they reports of cannibalism there too but anyway this was a huge a huge blow to Not only are quote industry up in New England during that time but it gave way to the real fear that there are giant animals Like proven giant animals in this this vast emptiness of the see that could kill us now previous to this there weren't exactly too many shark Like attack because I think the first shark attack happened and I WANNA say journey but it wasn't until like maybe late or mid to late eighteen hundreds and then of course bring around jaws and then everyone's afraid of sharks but Yeah so the ship goes down and it inspires. Herman Melville about thirty minutes right Moby Dick Moby. Dick is probably one of the most famous Written work In fact I think I read somewhere that In terms of like let's say one through five it's probably number five of the most read Pieces of of literature into world. So it probably goes like the Bible and other religious books and then Harry Potter and then the school students though. Oh I actually I never read Moby Dick Fully. I gave up about probably four chapters then and I just ended up using cheat online when I was in high school. It's just so much now. You gotTA wonder well. How did this actually come about it? Because he met He met one of survivors And he basically took what he said and it of course but made it so airy that people started developing these fears of water pence. Yes so a lot of people when they were in back then when they were actually seeing medical professionals but of course not not in public. Because then you'd be scrutinized but whatever nowadays scientists say Moby Dick Inside this year the philosophy phobia and people such as they had never seen before because now now humans are becoming more mobile more more apt to to technology in terms of what was available. Then so you know the fact that would internship and the fast wheeler or or whatever it was And here comes the Welsh ethics which gets sunk in by giant whale By the way firm. Whales are actually regularly hunted by orca whale. So they're not necessarily that huge But that's just for efforts anyways so I chose in the hardest. It's a movie that came out recently. I think two dozen fifteen maybe And it's based on an annual Phil Book Book of this still bricks book of the same title. Which is based on? Melville which based on the has the actual struggle event monsters. Real seen things no one else to see span so in brief. He's in the heart of the sea ready. Pg Thirteen to seven eleven. You know degrees from originally what happened but basically you have people like Chris Hemsworth isn't it to actually. Yeah he plays the captain. Tom Holland. It Oh Killington Murphy if you like him. Wow yeah so there's some big name people in it didn't do too well And the reason why I won't go so much into you the movie itself because it doesn't it doesn't really different few too much from Philbrick book I mean. There's obviously something but not too much so if you do a little bit of history our you've listened to what I was saying about the actual leadership. You kind of. Get the premise right. So so it. It didn't do too well. In terms of reading rotten tomatoes gave it a forty three. I can be a respectable six point. Nine it's not too bad It's not about letting where for free that I know but you can rent it across basically every platform we've ever talked about for about three bucks. It's definitely worth I think watching because it's a different type of adventure movie and it. Has You know some of our well known actors in it but it also kind of. I don't know for me. It really got me thinking about how I would feel if I were this. Nineteenth Century sailor stuck in this ship now as I said before I probably wouldn't be bothered by having really small confined spaces but being on the open ocean with no land in sight. That ominous feeling of not knowing anything. That's where I think. Humans kind of we lose all touch of reality. We just we don't WanNa know about it. We get afraid But yeah it is. It terrified me so when he was describing in the book I he of course used some colorful language but it really struck me as being. Wow this is something that I've actually pretty terrified about. I bet a lot of other people are Hugh my research read. It has its own. Select the phobia separated and I gotta tell you they they. They post them pretty terrifying. Things open water pitchers or like It's crazy because I think at its heart phobia. It really have to do is scale how small we are compared to basically everything in the world. Existential Affair Yeah exactly so I could go to the beach and I could be swimming around the ocean for hours. It'd be totally happy but if I really stop to think about I think wow. I'm this far away from there. I'm in the middle of the ocean that you have no idea what's underneath you It's nuts I mean here's the thing. The oceans pretty much clear right but if the lack of sunlight that makes it dark so the for you go of course the lack of Sun less than you. You can't see anything. So can you imagine though if we were swimming in the ocean completely clear? And you could see everything. I don't know if people would ever get back in because they would. They would see everything that was in there so there wouldn't really be lots of phobia. There would just be like a phobia of the ocean. Don't WanNa go near it but anyways so That was my pick. I kinda went off the deep end on that. I got trapped whole. Oh Yeah I got into a huge rabbit hole as it were with that one but I will tell you If you have any interest whatsoever on reading up on the actual whale ship it will lead you into a bunch of other things especially Around the sort of New England Flash Massachusetts Fishery history. It's actually really really interesting to read about like there's a good book called God And it's really based on on our fishing industry and how we cornered the market and how we're basically to blame for the lack of caught in the oceans these days Yeah it's crazy but anyways that's my take you should check it out Chris Hemsworth. He's a really decent actor in it Tom Holland was good in a locally and Murphy so I'm always GonNa Watch them the he's in the yeah good. Yeah Yeah. That's actually pretty cool. You know what's Funny That the phobia that you mentioned Reminds me of another one I don't know if you've heard of called appear uperior phobia a which is the fear of infinity or eternity No way it's about you know is basically you know you can't you can't get your mind around the concept of infinity or nothingness or eternity and it's one of those things where you know you can't sleep and you're you know tossing and turning your brain sort of feeds on itself where you kind of go down that rabbit hole where you wonder okay. What is nothing what is it? How big is the universe? What's before what's after and all that stuff and you spiral down that way. But that's kind of similar to that what you're talking about with the open like it's just it's too much it's too open. You feel too small so it kind of reminded me of that fear which I thought was kind of interesting because it's more. It's not a specific phobia about like drowning. That's a different thing. But it's that sort of Brian. Essential Phobia of sort of being an alone in an open space. And there's sort of that that that sort of wide open emptiness which is yeah. So That's interesting that you know that it's that there's like basically two different phobias. A kind of are connected to each other but one is sort of For a specific area the others for like everything like infinity. Right exactly I think. Most phobias probably have connections to others. But I bet people who are smarter than US we'll determine which via is the predominant one due to some other factors. Well I mean phobias are pretty much anyway. Genetically hardwired I think and a lot of ways Because most of them can be traced back to when we were. Just foraging. Yeah you know. They all have some kind of specific trigger if people are afraid of spiders. Because you know there's spiders business and can can hurt you and you know so all these fears whether they're irrational or not are really rooted in some evolutionary byproduct of our past. So yeah it's I mean it's a fascinating subject and when I think we should probably take a closer look at it in the future because it is kind of you know. It is kind of a wild thing to think about that. The these things. We don't have any control over when we feel ourselves as being these superior creatures with superior intellect and all that and then and then there's Florida so Florida's not like the rest of us. Yeah yeah basically so yeah I like that. This is a good topic lights probably. It's it is fun and we are joking about it but I mean of course it is relevant now because some folks are are dealing with some some definite triggers for you know depending what's going on in their area of the world which for everybody. I think most people are kind of locked down there in their house at least for my experience. So you know I can definitely see people. Maybe developing. And that's the thing about phobias to they don't not all of them are just intrinsically bread or in your genes. Some of them are actually developed. Now of course they they sponsor mother things. I think but the greet the interesting thing about today's Times as I'm reading a lot of articles where You know they colleges and psychiatric are really kind of concerned about folks developing fear of going outside. I think it's called Gora Phobia. Yeah who you had never had that before too extroverted and just don't WanNa go outside And there's that that sort of like barrier that is placed upon you But that you feed into by becoming more and more freedom and or whatever the case may be I mean there's also some folks who are who are were feeling cost you phobic in their homes who had never experienced it before but despite their homes not changing size and it being normal forever being forced within these four walls can kind of trigger or develop these sort of phobia so it. I guess what I'm saying is that it's normal And if you happen to be feeling some of these feelings it's it's not a bad time to reach out to somebody Taking care of yourself physically is one thing but taking care of yourself. Mentally is always a good idea at some. So you know there's plenty of resources out there is always saying And Co listen to our podcast. Who help with that or make it worse one or the either one or the other. Yeah reminds me if you've heard of the They're calling spot a phobia. No well that's the fear of having to pay to listen to Joe Rogan's podcast on spot. Okay I good with the short clips on Youtube because I get really frustrated with that guy very easily. I'm sorry don't don't hate us. Whoever is his management company? Sorry Yeah I'd rather not think. Good old apple podcasts. Three where what you guys can raise us and the more rating as we get the easier for us to reach lots of people absolutely you know. Spread the word not the virus. That's what we say. Yeah we've been saying all along. Yes our podcast is just as contagious. And better for you. So yeah so there's that so to recap our picks I picked and the hitchcock film rope. And managers pick was in. The heart of the sea is correct. That is correct in the heart of the sea. I do have a few honorable. Mentions me to the German world. War Two submarine drama. Dust boat are. Yeah which is very claustrophobic Pity Submarine Right. Yeah exactly panic room with jody foster and Kristen Stewart where they are hiding from home invaders in a panic room and resorts diabetic. She needs her insulin and all that yeah and finally the descent which is about six women exploring a cave and they find something very nasty living there too so yeah. Those are my honorable. Mentions the thinking thinking about speed? Oh yeah well yeah remember it. They're there they have to keep speeding in the bus. But it's the same you know you're in a small space that you can't leave right exactly and then I was thinking about that movie. I think it's called the hundred and thirty seven hours. Where yeah he gets caught in between two rocks and you know ends up cutting off the arm but I would boil it for you But those in my article mentions I. I think I like a good scare movie but sometimes I like a lot of appropriate thought provoking movie. Like like Something like that because it makes me think. Oh Wow. Is that something that actually scares me too. Yeah yeah that's A. I don't even want to take my mind into that. Yeah Yeah Yeah because I know I'd be dead so that's it. You know why not here. I'm getting me buzzing. Be a German submarine boat that I've done so it's a long story but anyway we'll go into that right now but you're so yeah. I mean now. Okay so I think that kind of that's GonNa do it for this episode. I know it was not exactly the most uplifting of topics I get it. 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Beating the Odds: Reshma Begum

Survival

11:17 min | 3 months ago

Beating the Odds: Reshma Begum

"Welcome to the final episode of our special five part medical mystery series beating the odds every day this week. We've been telling the true tales of medical miracles. That shocked the world today. We're discussing RESHMA. Begum a seamstress in Bangladesh. Who was pulled out alive from the wreckage of a building? Seventeen days after it collapsed. Make sure to check out any episodes of beating the odds that you may have missed. Thanks again for listening. You're probably familiar with the term claustrophobia. Which refers to an irrational fear of confined spaces many sufferers tremble at the thought of being trapped somewhere with no way out for reshma. Begum that panic. Inducing horror became a waking nightmare after the eight storey warehouse. She worked in collapsed crushing hundreds for days on end the nineteen old garment industry employees faced severe dehydration hunger and oxygen depletion inducing life threatening kidney failure and yet she survived four hundred eight hours buried alive. Welcome to beating the odds of five days special series for medical mysteries. I'm Richard and I'm Ali. This is our fifth and final episode on remarkable people who have lived through some of the world's most extreme medical emergencies after enduring seventeen days without adequate air and water supply. It's a wonder reshma. Begum lived to tell her tale today. We're discussing her shocking survival under factory rubble. It was approximately nine. Am In Bangladesh on April twenty fourth. Two thousand thirteen when a giant tearing noise resounded from Rana Plaza the day before the Property Owners Sohail Rana had assured the media and tenants that the building was safe despite new cracks on the walls but Rana had made a grave judgment call as the structure shook with the vibrations of four huge generators. After one of the city's regular power outages countless workers tried to flee but it was too late in a matter of seconds buildings shuddered and collapsed reaping death toll of one thousand one hundred thirty four lives. The tragedy was the deadliest structural failure accident in modern human history and as clouds of dust. Rose over the damage. One woman had just been thrust into the ultimate fight for her life. Reshma begum woke to the stench of death and the weeping cries of victims. Who would never make it out of the wreckage. Darkness engulfed her though. She could not whether it was day or night. She did no one thing she had survived. The buildings fall just hours ago. She had been stationed at her sewing machine on the second floor now. Rushmo laid on the ground peering up at a concrete slab just feet above her head above her newfound ceiling seven stories of debris restricted escape. The lower floors of the structure were crush to only two feet in height. Had reshma been standing anywhere else have been crushed to reshma. Knew she needed to try to escape? But when she changed positions attempting to get onto her hands and knees she felt a little tug on her hair. It had gotten stuck in the fallen debris one by one. She pulled clumps of her hair out from the wreckage. Creating painful vulnerable bald spots in the process but with one final Yank reshma freed herself then. She crawled away through small openings in the wreckage until she reached a cavity the space she would stay in for the next four hundred. Some hours had been a prayer room in the building's basement. Three others were trapped there together. They hit the rubble above them with sticks and rods trying to get the attention of rescuers but they had no luck and time was running out the average time for rescuing someone from a collapsed structure is around six days. And as time passed in darkness that three survivors confirmed the statistic. Perishing one by one now. Reshma was alone to face day seven but the eerie loneliness that set in was the least of Russia's troubles carbon dioxide levels were rising. An oxygen was growing scarce far above rushmo. One of the rescuers. Roffe cool is lomb. Got Stuck beneath the debris. He was rescued after seven hours. But after experiencing the lack of oxygen Islam claimed that most victims who survived the initial collapse would not live beyond the seventy two hour. Mark Ron Applauses. Wreckage was almost made more lethal by irritant. Dust freed from the crushed building materials. Humans normally breathe air that contains twenty point nine percent oxygen. When that concentration decreases even slightly people feel noticeable facts at the onset of oxygen deficiency reshma experienced brain fog and general weakness continued exposure to an oxygen deficient environment typically induces impaired thinking reduced nation extreme fatigue nausea vomiting and even loss of consciousness rushmore and didn't know it at the time but if she didn't find a solution soon she was on her way to certain death she did know that it was getting hard to breathe in a frantic attempt. Reshma pushed a broken steel pipe up towards a tiny pocket of light she saw above then. Rushmo put her mouth to the end of it and inhaled to Russia's surprise it worked but fresh air wasn't all she needed to sustain herself. Pangs of hunger emanated from her stomach and her throat was parched. Luckily the day of the collapse rush my head. Woken up late for work in a rush. She didn't have time to eat breakfast. So she packed yourself four packets of biscuits and two water bottles. These meagre rations would have to last year but nibbles of dry food and small sips from her water bottle wouldn't be enough alone and afraid. The young seamstress was quickly nearing a lethal level of dehydration. As her body lost water. Her blood became more concentrated and triggered her kidneys to retain water. Then Russia's cardiovascular system began to compensate for her low functioning kidneys her heart rate increased to maintain blood pressure likely experienced exhaustion and worsening brain fog if her condition worsened rush. Miss Body could suffer a deadly seizure. Desperate reshma scavenged the lunch bags that employees had brought in nibbling whatever food and drinks she could find and when rain fell through the holes that rescuers were making she drank from the shallow puddles that pulled on the ground. The scraps and packets of biscuits lasted her fifteen days after that she drank. Only rain-water time was running out meanwhile reshma family had abandoned their hopes of seen their precious girl alive by the Seventeenth Day officials had pulled over one thousand dead bodies from the site. They suspected that anyone else pulled from the building would likely be deceased. Rescue efforts were coming to a halt on day. Seventeen RESHMA HEARD. The sound of bulldozers removing loose rubble from somewhere above her. She silently pray that they didn't demolish the remainder of the structure while she was still stuck inside in a final desperate attempt. She reached for her steel pipe. As she had done many times before she tapped it against the concrete this time it worked Abdur Razzaq and Army Sergeant. Who is part of the rescue effort not down and saw her through a small hole in the debris without a moment to spare officers ordered everyone operating heavy machinery to stop. Abdur tossed reshma water as the other rescuers mobilized cooling debris out of the way to make the extraction as safe as possible when she was finally out reshma was placed onto a stretcher and carried to an ambulance. Her hair and face were covered in dirt and her scalp revealed bald spots where she freed herself two and a half weeks earlier. Still The vibrance of her bright pink scarf seemed to match the joy of the community. They cheered around her. Rushmo was taken to a nearby military hospital where she was given oxygen water and saline though she had some scratches her outer body was remarkably intact on the inside however reshma his kidneys were functioning had less than forty five percent. Her doctor explained that this was due to severe dehydration. Women require about eleven and a half cups of fluids day to stay hydrated for seventeen days under the debris rushmo would have needed nearly two hundred cups of water to stay adequately hydrated while trapped. She consumed just a little over four. Despite this reshma left the hospital with a fully functioning body looking back on her experience the former seamstress recalled. I never dreamed. I'd see daylight again for those who choose to hope. Rush story is a reminder that even the most inconceivably difficult fates can be survived. Thanks for listening. We'll be back next week with a new episode of medical mysteries. You can catch our other episodes of medical mysteries for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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