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Ep. 19: RECAP Brewers vs. Cubs May 10-12, 2019
"Woah to. Welcome to the new best rivalry in baseball. Hey, here, we are another ninety miles podcast. And I am pumped as a good weekend. Really good weekend. Ryan here cubs fan and with Jesse who unfortunately for this weekend is a brewers fan. That's not that. Unfortunately, it's we're yeah. They were dominated by the cubs who took two three dominated you. You can't losing seven and nothing on Friday night dominant. Oh, well, you know that was the one win, you know, the gums felt bad. So well, it was all seeing consecutive wins. So there you go. Yeah. Well, and that was it that now it's over now they have to now they got a nice losing streak going. They got to good start took seventeen innings for the cubs to get a lead in the series. No, I'm sorry. Took twenty more innings for the cubs. The lead in the series. But they dominated okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's at Dan or three ball games. Come on. Now by the end of the game yesterday the cubs to three the Burs two or three the first series. So here, we are, you know. Yeah. Me and the brewers have the run differential doesn't matter. Ws matter. We all know that unless you're. Or something when the brewers are catching up. Yeah. Yes. Correct. So, but we, you know, if we wanna look at some other things, that's fine. I mean, you know, I mean, the the cubs are in first Burs or two games back. So that's that's the way it is. That's the way. The snapshot looks here on may thirteenth, so very pleased, very pleased, very pleased. You're supposed to win two to three at home, man. Come on. No. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But against the brewers, oh, come on. I thought you know, they're so dominant. They're so good. They are out there really yell at yelich do away from Miller park, by the way, just fine. Actually, he was on base one less time than havi buys was this weekend. Any struck out? Oh to less time than by as did. So. How many outs how many outs did he create? I don't even know what you're trying to get at. Why he hit into three double play? Okay. Yeah. He grounded one per game for the season, he grounded subaway EMMY. He grounded into a second third and fourth double player of the year by as meanwhile grounded into his fifth of the season. And the cubs of played four less games. And by as and fifteen in game when you look at bias. He was over three with a ground into double play the game ends in regulation. That's literally worse than Goldensohn borough. Oh, okay. Keep coming though. Keep coming at them. That's fine. You know, how he did away last year? Here you want to know how he did away from Miller perk. Laster he at three twenty eight away from Miller park last year slugging five forty five. So we're going to have a little progression of the mean once the weather warms up a bit. I think. Oh, I'm sure sure. Right. Many RBI's. Did you have this weekend, by the way? He didn't have any RBI's. That's true. Okay. Course on Friday night. They didn't really need any seven runs up against you did more. What's that eight or more? You did predict eight or more RBI's Christian yelich? This is true. And you laughed at me. When I predicted the cubs score less than ten runs. But how many runs did the cubs put up the series? Well, they took to the threes. So many runs to this score though. Because I thought run differential was like a really big deal like Hugh deal. Yeah. When you have a lot like you mentioned sure when you have a large sample requires a large sample size. Now, it does when it's convenient to your within. I know we were always looking at the season long run for agile not within series. But you know, whatever you gotta do. Sure. Yeah. As soon as I say, small sample what happens. Doesn't matter sample size year. Run differential sucks as soon as it goes the other way, this is what I get. The only thing they scored the they they hit a subpar bullpen on Friday. And they scored two runs in the seventh eighth and the ninth each so six run. So they had seven tonight so seven runs on Friday night. The Bruce cord and the cubs scored six for the entire series. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay. Well, the last episode we did somebody was telling me like, you know, run differentials important because whoever scores more runs wins and something something something. Yes. These matters two or three ws, congratulations. Yeah. Yes. And he still did. And you still don't have the guts the pitch Darvish against this crew. That's amazing. Well, it's just fell that way too bad. Not at a problem. It didn't quote unquote fall that way for the first series Madden. Finagle the lineup. So you wouldn't see this lineup. That's what happened. That's okay. That's okay. You know, what I think you're I think there I feel a little edginess coming from you. I think you're a little. Little crabby today guy was I was paired for the kneeling Mondays. Yeah. Maybe Monday isn't a good day to record. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe I was just prepared for the crappy. We're gonna give me today. And you can't handle that. Maybe that's what it is. Oh, yeah. All right. All right, fine. Cubs won two out of three want for me. Well, say it again. I'm sorry. Say what no say say it again. I don't know what you mean. Cubs. Cubs won two out of the three Christian yelich at three twenty eight on the road last season. Is that? Last year last year. Sure, what's the problem this here? You know, I don't know. Maybe it's something different. Like he likes playing sixty to sixty five degree controlled temperatures. Instead of forty degrees in rain on a mudpit. Maybe that's got something to do with it. I could could is the is from southern California. And he grew up playing ball in Florida. Basically. I mean, that's where he came up in the bigs, maybe it's a little bit at the weather who knows? Well, that's just that's just too bad. I guess he he does have his weaknesses. You know? I'll take a I'll take his weaknesses over hobbies weaknesses any day. Thanks. Oh, you keep bringing up havi. But you know, that's because he strikes out a lot. He's a really good player though. Yeah. He is. He's a really good player. Okay. This is talk about here. I know it isn't going anywhere. This is just been this onslaught of. As talking. Yeah. Maybe we should talk about the baseball games. I suppose if we have to. Well, the the, you know, I guess the Saturday game. Sure. Start with your favorite artists, I'm degree. That was a good game struggle. That was it was a lot of fun. That was didn't end the right way. But that's you know, that was a that was an enjoyable. Did it did it did end the right way? Yeah. So. You know? I don't know. I think what what did they say? Was that the longest cubs brewers game at Wrigley field that could. Well, be. I I think I heard that I'm gonna rely on you for the history here because I was a little bit tired went to bed kinda mad Saturday night. So whatever, I'm sure you did. Yeah. So I think I believe that's what I heard it certainly took its toll on the bullpen. Although, you know for the cubs Tyler chat would pitching four innings. No runs. You know, three three walks seven strikeouts. That was a big big outing in long game like that to come in. And do that was big to equal that to Burj Smith Burch Smith who was recently called from AAA was equally. Impressive. All you get all he did give up was the one the one bomb, and that's basically it chat would go through. No hits Birch gave up two and one half to be the game winner, which is Burke, Bert, Scott, the loss, and you know, gave up the game winning run. No big deal. But but yeah. Yeah. Well, well, you know, it it was an an interesting game. I mean in a way if you want to say, I mean, fine. I'll admit the brewers are like the second best team in the National League central. So, you know, appropriate. This game isn't appropriate reflection of the rivalry fifteen inning game close game. And but with the cubs pointed off two to one in fifteen innings sounds about right? Well, they manage to even brewers. Yep. Yep. Well, yes and the season series now is three each which is interesting, and as we also predicted their their first and second. They are and yeah, yeah. The cardinals are doing with the cardinals are expected to do which is cool off, you know, sink back to third place. Everything's kind of lineup more or less thought it would. So the cardinals are actually tied with the pirates as far as three and a half games behind but win win percentage are actually behind the pirates which so they're in fourth place today, which which is the best lose of really if you wanna look at at least. Yeah. At least we can. Good. You know? Yes. The that's something we wanted. We wanted to get the cardinals out of the way. We did. You know? Now, the pirates I still don't feel are going to be a threat. So that is what it is. But but yeah, they're they're both three and a half games. Back. Brewers are two games back in the cubs. Of course are in first as they should be in back there. The highest win percentage of any teams in the National League. Which is rightfully so six thirty two head of the dodgers even Opie s they are in second behind the dodgers team. Oh, P T mopey. Is this a serious this a series is this a let's praise cubs all day and then do a regular episode and try and do again Wednesday come on. Now. Let's keep it to the series. Cubs are in second in ERA as far as their entire pitching staff. Behind behind Cincinnati. Actually, the the dodgers in third. They got a three point four four Yara Macoris hold a other than the Friday game holding the brewers down for the most part this weekend. Yeah. Okay. Let you know. I'll let you know. I'll give you this. The brewers are in I in fielding percentage. You got that going for you, which is nice. Well, you know if. It wasn't for a mud field on Saturday Orlando, arsia probably doesn't baba the ball. The cubs. Never score run. It ends in nine havi buys is over three with ground into double play. But no, the baseball guides had something different in mind. They gotta keep the cubs relevant. It's good for baseball. They need something to be on a high horse. What? Hey, what cubs Burs played they've played each other six times. Now, it's three and three over the rest of the, you know, schedule the cubs are dominating you'd -nificant Lii. And that's even with a very slow start. As of course, you let me have it about that. You guys have a six game losing streak director. The the Burs their struggle. But they've turned the pitching staff around. I would say when you to runs in fifteen plus two runs in twenty four. And then I guess that. That's pretty good. That's that brings us that brings us to to prediction. So let's let's go through. We may we made six prediction. Yes. Or three predictions each total of six predictions. So let's let's talk about okay. Let's do that. You had predicted what your first one? Which is your your regular every time. They play Goto was a cub. Sweep which of course, was eliminated Friday night as usual. Yeah. Well, but it was closed. So it wasn't close. It was seven to nothing. How close they want? They want to the three. And they still didn't want to go first game run total. Anyway, whatever, you know. I I probably could have predicted the cubs win the series a win two of the three. That's not enough bold enough fifty win with these teams. Oh my gosh. Of course teams are pretty evenly matched. This is what the whole cast is about. We both agree there. Good teams. Yeah. Come on now. Well, the cubs are better. Let you get away with one fifty fifty prediction already not getting letting you get away with another white you tell us about the prediction. You got. Right. Let's hear about that. One. Oh, Kris Bryant will have a higher opium than Mike stockists. A former MVP VP Opie S's, Mike dacas. Okay. Good job. Right it. And you know, I I'm surprised you were okay with that. But at the time that the prediction was made. You felt it was appropriately bold. I was tired arguing with. You accepted it. Oh, I I don't know. Are you with you? You said, okay, fine. You know started with holes his diction, which would have been smarter than the skin. Yeah. He was closer. He's a lot. Yeah. What what I got some numbers here. What well stock is one for fifteen with the double game on. Yeah. Bryant was four for twelve three walks and homerun in the way, calculate on base. Plus slugging rate on base percentage. Plus slugging percentage if you know how to calculate slugging. It's total bases. I think divided by at bats. And then. Yeah, whatever. Anyway, long story short for for twelve is going to be one for fifteen just about every time. So there you go pretty much, especially when you got a home run in their right, if yeah, if it was four singles, and of course, calculate calculate on the on this slugging percentage, basically Ryan had seventy five likely chance to get that one. Right. And he's bragging about getting it right there. We have it. Doesn't matter. You approved it as predict. Yeah. It's on me. That's for sure that's on you. It's on new. It's not. So whatever I got that one. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways. I so I didn't get the sweep right? But I got that one. Right. And then the other one I made was Jose cantata will have one or lesser run versus the brewers on Friday night. Unfortunately, he had three got shelled, really. Well. He didn't really he didn't really. But he gave up three. So anyway. Well, he gave up three. But yeah, you know, that that's one of those things where you know. I mean, the last two were do they I think they both came in after he was out was I think, yeah. I think it came off of inherited runner for against. But you know, he got pulled me because he was he didn't have the stuff at the moment. So that's why that happened. That's how it goes. So. Yeah. Three earned runs against them for hits gave up three walks as well. Well, actually, no that to the two were of Catanha. Okay. Or that's right. That was they. He's. And we another cubs cubs fans. Of course, you know, there was some complaints about. Why why is he and there, but you know, it's also one of the things you take him out. And then it's like, well why why did they pull them out? There's going to be somebody on one side of the argument. Somebody on the other side of the argument, and nobody is going to be happy ever unless they don't give up any runs, then everybody's but yeah, the runs one was was a fuel. There's choice one was a sac fly. So I I wouldn't necessarily say he got Scheldt that's being shelled. Makes you feel better. It does make you feel otherwise. The whole Braun was that home run in the in the fourth. Ryan braun. Yes. Who you know, extra Nadi Ryan brownie from last episode? Yeah. Had extra. He's just learned juice that morning. He's just the cubs killer. I don't know what to say these day games, though. I was at work for both Saturday and Friday games. I had to watch as much as I could on on review. But there are a couple of really nice defensive plays by Milwaukee in that game. I did actually do a a little write up. If you're a brewer fan, you can go check that out at the ninety miles podcast page. So a little blog they're on a couple of really important detail oriented defensive plays that I kind of set this team apart. That's my plug for that outside of that. Yep. Bruce dominated game on. No problem GIO Gonzalez was awesome five and two thirds giving up only a couple of hits three walks. He's been really helping turn that staff around. They've kind of really come together and pitched well since he came on board. It's nice to see. But. Yeah. All right. That's that's Fridays. You know, grab you know. I see over the series the brewers grounded into eight double play. Yeah. You mentioned that three of them were courtesy of yelich. So remember right that Saturday game. I think five out of the first nine innings. They had the Bruce got the the the leadoff hitter on first base all five times grounded into double plays is just uncanny. I mean normally you getting your lead leadoff runner on that often. You're going to put up some runs and and win the ball game. It was. Yeah. It was something else to see the lack of clutch hitting their the lack of moving guys over yesterday's game. Didn't Cain start off with what should have been a double missed. The bag went back to first then yelich grounds into double play. Again. It was a it was kind of it was it was a very strange series as far as that goes, very unusual. Not something that's going to repeat itself very often in a season. So nothing to get to work up. Above just weird. It is. I mean, it just shows you know, that the cubs are superior. Getting those double plays getting out of that. So there you go. What about your predictions? Well, the first one looked good after Friday night. I predicted which is bold because you don't believe at all in our pitching staff. I predicted that two hours starters would log a w I got halfway there on game one. So GIO went out and got the w game number two Orlando CNN. It's not his fault. You know, if the ball doesn't pop out of his glove Bruce starter leaves with the lead. Maybe I get the second one there. Unfortunately, if you don't win two or three games, you can't have your starter win two out of three. So that's shot. Obviously the see here there was one for Christian yelich getting aid RBI. We already talked about that that did not go. Well, the one that got right now the one that got rate was bolt. I mean, all three my predictions were actually bold. They weren't like, you know, gimmes, but the one that I. I did predict the Bruce pitching staff, which I thought at the time was coming off some struggling this two three weeks ago. They were struggling quite a bit the geo signing gave me some confidence. I predicted that they would hold the cubs. Ten runs or less. They held them to six. So I did get that. Right. And it's been like I said very nice to see this pitching staff. Start pulling together, they're setting up. Well, nice run here. So. Well, they lost to the three. So didn't really matter. So e you know, anything else ended up being the lower lower scoring games. You know, maybe I should've looked a little closer at the weather. We went to known three weeks come on. No, you're no, you're blaming the weather. The bats. Well, now, it's okay. Yeah. The bats were a little quieter than they have because the Burs arms are a lot better than they used to be. Wow. Yeah. I don't think. So. But anyway, these these Burs cubs games oftentimes are the lowest scoring type that first series. This year was kind of a kind of an outlier. I mean, there's always the chance with these lineups to have a high scoring game. But generally speaking through the second half last year, there weren't a lot of explosive games that first series this year had three of them that two of them that were really high scoring. So this was the polar opposite really is far as that goes. Yeah. Yeah. Well control has had a nice series. He stayed he stayed pretty hot and Kris Bryant had a nice nice series as well, generally. But yeah. Little lower scoring, and yeah, it's you know, I don't know. So I guess predictions. We both were went one for three. So that's still keeps me in the lead overall for the season. Don't don't bring any of those week predictions next time man, I'm starting to shut down. I'm gonna clamp down on this week. Saw slit you've been delivering no more of that. Yeah. Yes. Fine, whatever. But you know, I don't know why why you would let those slide because you know, it's just gonna lead to a lot of embarrassment later. Well, I think the year after I win I think arguing about predictions on the pad cast just slows down the show. You know, it's just slowing things down. All right. Oh, I well. So that's ninety miles pockets com. I think our next predictions. Come unless we may. Of course, we'll make some more in the meantime. But otherwise, it looks like we got you know, all star game predictions. We got few few those, and you know, all star break, a speaking of the all star break. Yeah. Don't forget. We've got the giveaway yet. 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So with all your friends brewers fans cubs fans, and and baseball fans share share away, you know, and get everyone on their the more. We get on there. The higher up, you know, the bigger the prizes. So so yeah. Yeah. And. I'm we'll, you know, I'm about sick of talking about the series. So yeah, I'm tired of talking about the series done. I'm sure you are. I'm sure you are excited for the next series witch when when do they play now, let's see gotta pull up the break. I don't after the all star. Oh, here we go July like July twenty six twenty seven and twenty eight in Milwaukee. Yup. So we got a ways to go before the next big series. But you know, that means to these clubs will be playing quite a bit more in the second half, which is actually much more exciting. Because the first half is important. We all know that. But second-half remember how last year went? It was a it was a crazy ride and a lot of fun and the season's lining up to be the same. So make sure you stick around stay with us. We're gonna have some fun. I've had just about enough of Ryan's grief for one day. But again, we'll be dropping new vote on Wednesday covering, you know, plenty more to come this. Yes. Yes. We didn't use it. All cubs. Win cubs earned for. I up suck brewers cubs series are three three cups win this series. Two out of three cubs are the best Bruce. And yes, we'll catch you next time. Yeah. I'll load up with even more ammo before then should be good. And I think the cubs are going to be in first place for. You know, probably the rest of the season. Nice. Is it that the cubs? Get Monday off after a Sunday night game. They played four less games than Milwaukee. Milwaukee is on a ten game road trip headed to Philadelphia. I can't wait to get this. It's gonna turn can't wait for it to happen. You know, it I'm not it's not an excuse case. So it's not just like every time the cups have a long game. They have a day off. You're going to have a season. It's a I'm tired. Let's damned done come suck. All right. Happy Monday epi Monday by the later.
Ep. 93: Juneteenth (feat. Rep. Barbara Lee, D-CA, The granddaughter of a slave)
"This podcast was created using anchor. Anchor is the free podcast platform that allows you or anyone to setup and start your own podcast for you charge. So the your voice is heard. Is because they believe in the democratization of audio, pure and simple. That's why I use their platform. Anchor DOT FM or the anchor APP will get you there. Would you all stand, please? Voice. To. -greeing with Birds. H. Is. Sky's. added. The. Snow, cone of. The TUG has. A For. That the press as Using the. Is. A. SMART SEAN too big. Small. Stony road. Sean. Burch Smith. Time, yet I. Pam This is rumble, and I'm Michael Moore and. This is also June eighteenth, and I'm very honored to have as my guest on today's episode the incredible wonderful the brave. Congresswoman from Oakland California represented the Barbara Lee Barbara thank you so much for being on rumbled. Today Gosh I'm really happy to be with you Michael. Thank you for you know pushing the envelope and making sure that what's left of our democracy Prevails who so that weekend make sure it. It thrive after November. One thing that we know must happen during this time as democracy must not die. I'll tell you. I've never felt it that. The possibility of that happening being so close. In my entire life war. This this. Know what this is! some June. Saint Right now. Let let me just share how how deep this is for me and how much my family's been through. As every African. American in this country. My grandfathers was actually born in L. in Galveston Texas. May being thirtieth, eighteen, sixty five that he was born. During slavery impacts is there was only June nineteenth June team that year. That the. Union general I think it was. Grainger came to Galveston to let us know them that enslaved people were free, so you know. For me growing up, knowing that in my grandfather passed away when I was eighteen. This is this is very deep and very important that we talk about where we are, and what our democracy. How fragile it is, but how far we've got. Well that's an amazing first of all. That's your grandfather. You're talking about right Paul. Did WC perish born in Galveston? One month well two week or two weeks before before June teams so. So first of all, let me just say that for anybody who thinks that slavery was whole so way long ago. We're talking to someone whose grandfather was born into slavery. Just as just your grandfather. That's just two generations before you representativity that that that should speak volumes about how that this is not really that long ago, and sadly the vestiges of of it of this evil system. The repercussions remained with us. to this day I'm just. Back late, that's why and I wanted to add I'm glad you said that because let me just. Mentioned my truth breaks racial healing and transformation mission that I've introduced in Congress, because a lot of people. Really get it. We have you know forty countries, plus the Truth and Reconciliation Commission to really tell the truth about brutality genocide. Violations Slavery this country has never done that, and so I've introduced legislation. That would establish a commission. To make the link between four hundred one years ago, which was when the first light people arrived or would will. To the shores, of America to what we see today in police, murder and systemic racism and disproportionate rates of African American dying from Kobe and unequal education and lack of clean water, and all of the stem raises issues and policies of today are directly related to four hundred one years ago. This commission will help bring forth the truth and make those connections so that we can begin to dismantle and just rubbed what was and what is and transform this country and to wonder it's really free and just and fair for all. So, you've introduced this congress this to create this. Healing and Truth Commission. Caught through racial healing and transformation. In how will that work? Let's say that let's say this passes which I would think especially right now. This would have an excellent chance of passing so. Tell US exactly. How this how this would work because I? Think people listening right now. Everybody who's been through this last almost a month or so, but it really isn't just the last one this this kind of suppression oppression. Brutal. Response on the part of many police. This has been going on for a very very long time and on. It but I think now. I think you've probably noticed I've noticed. I think we've gotten people's attention. And I mean the majority of our fellow Americans seventy five percent in the poll yesterday said they support these demonstrations so. This seems like a moment. Am I wrong? Am I am I too optimistic about that is that? Do, we have know. We we have it is the moment and we have to see the time and let me tell you These types of commissions are extremely necessary to get past. the oppression of certain people again there have been forty plus some have worked some happened. There was the truth and Reconciliation Commission to the South Africa You know there's mixed reviews about that. the one in Rwanda certainly after the genocide in Rwanda. Really brought. Some heel and some closure. And now the country's move forward and so each context is different, which whatever the localities were, and so in in America and best why business so this moment is so important. I've got about one hundred and twenty four cosponsors on it already. You know Congress co-sponsorship with. Fifteen you know and I just introduced. Two weeks ago right so we're trying to guess to eighteen or whoever is lifting. Please call your member of Congress. Tell them to sign onto the because what he would do. would-be and we don't. We're not gonNA. Be To Pacific under this administration, because we don't want them to take the commission and put their people there and and destroy it. We want if they have a commission of people who will begin to set forth the historical context and record. We would have people from look like it communities. Now there's there are quite a few racial truth telling events taking place town meeting, moving toward healing and transformation and local level, so we want people to come forward and tell the story of their their How Franson lynching which the last was. What in the sixties did they have relatives who were lynched? What is the generational trauma? The racial trauma that that has resulted. And how do we fix that and again? We want the commission to lay out the facts. And also make sure that people know that this is not talking about you. Personally. We're talking about a system of government government laws that were based on slate. Based on African Americans being three of human being, and you know when you go through history, and this is the story you have to tell so these uninformed people who are now all of a sudden seeing the light. Understand this. You know you had You had slavery you had Jim Crow you had the black hole coach Lynch. You have segregation, you know the Jim Crow laws that still some on the books you have mass incarceration. You have all of these moments in history where these chains were have not all been broken. And so we've got to tell the story, so people understand why a Mr Floyd could get killed by police. Why Marine Blackie for fifty percent may barely make barely minimum wage why there's such a huge wealth gap in the African American community. Why African American you know are on the frontlines without TV, so we have to kind of. Historical context so people understand. We're not talking about you personally. You may have your personal attitude. Just let him play out in policies. Leave US alone, but this is how the system of government work that continues to enslave and rinse people quite frankly in different ways. Yes well, that's certainly went. What happened to George Floyd? He was lynched in that in that street. He was strangled now by a rope, but by. The knee. and. The let me just go back to to June. Thirteenth because I think there are a number of a white Americans who are just becoming familiar with this this particular day, and as you said this. This was the day that when Texas. So this is like okay, so the civil war ends in April. and Three of while, yes, on sixty three Abraham. Lincoln. releases the emancipation proclamation, which essentially not essentially it freed the slaves. This is eighteen. Sixty threat was in the middle of the war. And and so word, of course you know there is no mass media back down. There's no Internet. word traveled slow through the south. In eighteen, sixty, three, eighteen, sixty four. that Lincoln had essentially had freed the slaves, even though the war was still going on, and of course. The southern plantation owners were not freeing their slaves. But as word spread it it it. It it created a day. From one slave plantation to the next. Dave they. Not only learned of this there, there were uprisings. There were people who worked together to escape. But Texas. Texas did not get the word. Until? June, June, nineteenth of eighteen, sixty five. The does that. Is that just sort of that? Just kind of boggle, the mind a bit. I mean it's just. That that it took that that that slaves in Texas were still slaves two years after Lincoln freed the slaves. It, stunning Bible it. It boggles the mind and says my grandfather was born. Two weeks before it really boggles my mind. And I grew up recognized, and the June was really my independence day, and the Independence Day for so many African Americans in Texas, so I moved to California we moved when I was thirteen and southern California and their many African Americans taxes, and so June team from southern California was always a big deal. But it was primarily in the black community so fast forward to today, I've celebrated June team since I was born, but in my district. It's really interesting because the African American community there. Which? Because of gentrification and cost living is is becoming berry extinct, unfortunately down to eighteen percent but black people here. Still celebrate June team, but the largest community had no clue so about fifteen fifteen years ago. I started doing events and one. You know we still have fun. Raven one event I do every thing. You'RE GONNA be the Saturday with WHO, in Castro. From Texas a virtually been a June team fundraise where I raise money, and these are primarily my backed out. People who, over the last fifteen sixteen years have come to understand what June think names, and for me, and for the black or black folks in the bay area, and so this is been, and they're shocked and they come back every year, and of course we tell story of June paints they they help us. Make sure we contribute to progressive You know wet women and people of Color Handy. Who would come to Congress to do the right thing and so contribute? But at the same time they helped me celebrate June team and my house at a big barbecue buttery so. tried. Wave Yes, well you have you have invited me for the past few years to come out of the celebration, and I swear to you last year. I said this is definitely going to be there. The next year twenty twenty on June eighteenth in your backyard at the barbecue, and then this happened, and and so I've been in my in my own lockdown and. Michael next year next year next year next year I. Swear I. We're saying this in front of hundreds of thousands of people right now. That I will be there. I will be there next year and and and I'm. I'm happy to be I'm happy that this year that I. Do get to spend a few minutes with you here to talk about these very important issues, because you know your your bill is so important to have this this truth and healing commission, but also all the other things that you fought for over the years I. Mean I've admired you for so long. I remember back when The after nine eleven. and everybody wanted to go to war right away and and so there was a bill being rushed through Congress to go to war. And is just this is just right. After nine eleven and nobody dared to go against. Bush or or the war? And so when they held the vote there on that day in our House of Representatives only one congress person. Said No, no, no war. We to figure this out. We need to figure out what happened and we need to have the appropriate response. And that loan congress person was you. You! I I wanted to ask you this for a long time. What was that day like? How did you find the courage and I? Know I know you're courageous and all this, but to stand there. There's four hundred and thirty five of you in that room. And have four hundred thirty four on one side of the issue voting one way and you alone boating voting in my humble opinion the correct way. Against War a war that we're still not out of our longest war ever. That you knew that this was folly. Tell me what I mean. Help all of us out because we're all. We all find ourselves in these positions where we try to find, try to summon the courage. was everything and everyone seems to be against us and there you stood. I mean I wanna hear right from the Gut. What was that like? How did you do that? Michael Brown law, and you did Fahrenheit nine eleven right. Okay. Okay yes. I, but I'm still I still don't I'm still not you? I still I. Don't know I seriously. I would hope I could be the lone person standing against war I I i. don't know what it would look like. With four hundred thirty four million members of Congress. Some of them are good friends. But you know what. I ran first of all the resolution on the context of of course What over three thousand? People or people in new. York in Pentagon in DC flight ninety three killed so everybody is angry including myself my chief of Staff I. Was On flight, ninety three as a flight attendant, which we know, we're coming into the Capitol and I'm sitting in the capital, right and early that morning, and so in my office we were really reeling from this in a lot of ways, and so I'm I'm naturally. Upset angry. We gotta do something but I also knew that this. Three days later was not the time principal to respond because we didn't even know what was going on. Secondly you don't elected. Officials are elected to be above the fray, and yes, we. Are Human beings that we feel the pain and suffering and anguish. But? As Baikal G Major, you know I have clinical social worker by Profession I know that you know make hard decisions in the moments of any emotional moment, and when people are grieving. or You just don't do that. So, that's the first thing I knew that was much too quick to come up with a strategy to respond, and whether it should be retaliatory or not I ran the resolution at first and I went to the Democratic Caucus that we can't do. This is overly broad. Set The stage for perpetual Wa war. They went back and try to fix this. which maybe they changed a few word came back, and it was still and Michael This resolution and sixty words that the president any president. Bush. The president authorized to use for forever. Mean that's an EPSOM for the said it didn't even mentioned Afghanistan in the resolution. It was just overly broad. It was crazy. And I said and I told my college you can't do and although we got to, we got we gotta show you. The reunified with the President I said Yeah, but we have to be careful We don't respond in a way. That's GONNA. Create more terror, more habit and more death and destruction, and lead us into war with that war without in. And so yes, it was hard. But I went to the National Cathedral for the memorial service. And, let me tell you and I was struggling with it knowing that it was going to be hard, but the Reverend Nathan back to who was the Chapel, or the Dean of National Cathedral in his eulogy, he said as we act, let us not become the evil be. And right there right in that could go I said okay. Whatever let the chips fall? Were they now I'm a person of faith I think you know that and you know in the scriptures anything it's. Just stand when all hell breaks loose. You put on the full armor of God and you just stand, and so I had to draw in my face I talked to my pastor. I talked to my beloved, my former boss and colleague Ron Dellums Bayton. Give me advice on which way to go. They just kind of walk me through the implications them of everything We were dealing with and Finally and I talked to my mother. And I told them and I told Roger Communist. He was laugh. I I. I said You know he like before I went to the ceremony at the memorial service. To be a hard one, but I've got to do this. And he said boy. He shook his head. You know how will. He says I don't know if I'd do that, but I should do respect what you're doing and. He was so kind and. When I went down to the boat, was proposed to be on Saturday, and instead they changed to buy and I'm on the foreign estimating for then it was a Tom Lantos. His office concert. She better get down here because we're GONNA. Do it today. The ball, and if she wants to speak, you know, hurry up! So, I went down to the floor and I. Think I spoke for a couple of minutes. And It was a hard hard couple of minutes speech for me because I feel the anger and the pain of everyone. In the country but I said I quoted of Reverend Baxter. You know we act, let us not become able to we deplore, and so during that period. What happened with after I voted now? I was the only red light came up. Everyone came back to me I was in back of the chamber. Say Burger you gotTa, Change Your Vote You're GonNa die couple of people you know. They're not gonNA. Let you get away with. If you'RE GONNA lose your election. You know all of that. They must have all. They must've told you. That's the end of your political career. Oh that. Most definitely, that was just a given and my mother later said look. I could have told him that. When you make your mind up. Forget. Pretty stubborn, but I just said now you know and I told my colleagues to come time in your life where you have to stand on you. Either your conscience, your principles the constitution and it was all of that because when you ran that. Bad was totally unconstitutional. It led us now into the. They used that resolution at least forty one times in Guantanamo for domestic spying here Yemen. Everywhere in the world, and so now okay, so what happened during that time? Though I'm a military brat. My daughter. My Dad was Lieutenant Colonel in the army. When I walked back to the capital of course by them, CNN was putting out there and I'm getting death threats and. You know while I had to have full time twenty four hour security. It was really bad in terms of the anger, and my dad called me okay, and toward the end of his life he inserted. Call them bad. He likes to call him a colonel type. That's the type of military man he was. So so Colonel Call Me. He said you know what that was the right boat you said you don't send our troops in harm's way unless you know what you're doing. He said in that crazy resolution, and he said I'm really proud of you Dan stick to your guns. You know, and if it became, you know I had just stick to it. Because I was was the right thing to do, and so now we've repealed it of course trump in the Republican while support the repeal. The Democrat have repealed it in the house is over in the Senate and you know summer. Summer trying to undermine what we did and come up with alternatives to full repeal, but we're standing our ground, saying no, we got to repeal the minute. We're GONNA. Go to war. You come back and debate and authorized specific optimizations. In fact, that's what the kindest wants to do. So yeah, it was a tough time, but you know if anyone is interested in the responses. There were sixty thousand emails. Phone calls messages their house at Milk College and their archives and looking back, Michael? I've heard from Coretta, Scott, king, Bishop Tutu. You name world leaders people from all around the world supported that boat, and so probably about. Fifty percent of all death threats I hate you. We're coming after you, but then there were fifty percent who came from people who really understood and supported what happened that gave me a lot of constellation and. Helped me through it. Well I'll tell you who else supported. You was of my dad. He was then in his eighties and He was a marine veteran of World War Two. and. He said that that she was he couldn't leave. You're the only one because he. As a World War Two veteran because he saw the worst of it in the South Pacific so. He was he was like that. No president should ever send our young people to war, unless it's the absolute last resort, unless it's absolutely necessary, and and for the for the true self defense of the country and. He was so upset. When that when that vote took place. Maybe he knew my dad. Sounded like. He, he didn't make us column. Colonel probably because he didn't get above the rank of private. But. He was. But but I wish he would have lived to seen this this victory that you finally had in the house to an every year. You you put forth a bill to repeal this this this awful awful piece of legislation and then finally. You were successful. And And and now now what do we? We need to flip three seats in the Senate, right and and right. Back with the repeal this year we need the flip I think it's more three. What is about sixty? Oh. Is that many okay well? It's it's. And we need a new occupant at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. Given week number as We added that. For the National Security and our salvation and the preservation of democracy. That's that's a given. I've been telling. I'm telling people though don't take trump for granted. Don't every I. There's too many people saying Oh. Yeah, this one's easy. No Problem Biden's GonNa win were all good and I'm Ashley. That's the attitude you had. When everybody kept saying. Hillary was GONNA win. There's no way the American. People will vote for this clown, and then, and then it happened and I hope everybody. is on their toes between now and November third. Yeah, well, Michael You know what? Hillary won the popular vote what she won. The three thousand more votes than three-million. Three million. Excuse me three minutes. Okay so. And Understand I. Tell people this all the time. When when you drill down, and when you look at all of the reports and analysis from that election, it were these were pre thing in in the cities where young people people of Color progressive lived, and did not vote. Okay, and so this is about US boating because. Occupant of the White House now would not have won. Had we voted in this last election in those states and so just no You know we can't. Take it for granted. We have to vote because this is what happened when we vote nine. She lost my state Michigan by. An average of two votes per precinct. That's all it would've taken two votes purpose INC in Michigan. But as I also said, though the candidate has to be a candidate that's going to inspire we all icon. I'm hoping to have the experience I had on the morning in November of two thousand eight. When I woke up and I realized I was going to vote for Barack. Obama, and I was so, and not the old one tens of millions of Americans could not wait to get to the polls to vote. What are we gotta do to make that? Inspiring moment happen? What does Joe Biden need to do to to to be that person where nobody is going to say. I'm sitting this one out I'm you know where you can't wait to get to the Bulls? Yeah well. Let me tell you. I hope people can't wait to get to the polls whether being whether they believe Joe Biden inspires them or not. If they don't understand that Our democracy of say. And what we see playing out in the streets of America, demanding change and I'm not so sure that people really get I, think they do and I think they're gonNa vote in spite of what they think. Lead who the candidate is! He is who he is. He's doing a good job and. Hopefully we'll win and people no one hundred percent. And are you. You will with Bernie I'll with Tomlin. We all had our candidates. And And for me. As a progressive as an African American woman, the Progressive Left of center. WHO's always been out there? I'm telling everyone. If you need other people inspired to get to the polls a lot of people who can inspire you to get to the show. But, I think you know. We've gotTa do this and we've got to recognize that You know there's a clear distinction between Joe Biden and Donald Trump and those you know. It's clear and so just no, you may or may not feel inspired, but it's our duty as our civic duty, and it's our duty as Americans to vote to preserve this this country and our national security and our. And you've got. You've gotTA get five to ten people to come to the polls with. You can't just go this year. By yourself or if you're voting by mail by the way, are we going to be able to vote by mail? Are we going to win this because you know? He said from said it's so honestly. He said it's never good for Republicans when everybody can vote. So? Yeah, yeah, the reason why people should vote voter suppression is, and you don't let them win by suppressing your boat like come on, look at what happened. In Georgia, so in our legislation in Washington. We have put in funding for the mail, the Postal Service, and of course he resisted that in the first bill, and he personally said No. I'm not going to sign the bill at the postal services finally, so we have an uphill battle, but we're working hard now with the state and local communities to make sure that voting at home is an option because you can't have what happened in Georgia. Happened in November, so people have got to be, we say stay. Vigilant and insistent, their members of Congress push to keep the funding. We put in the last bill in the Heroes Bill which Muhammad still hasn't taken up. In for the postal service, but if there's no other reason to vote, so they're trying to stop. Right do is there. Is there you have a person that you hope the Joe Biden will pick as his vice presidential a candidate. Be An African American woman, and I you know supported Senator Harris. For President I think that her background her skills and her views of of the world and how we get to where we need to go to this country, appropriate for the moment. And I think that I think that it's gotta be a black woman. Though regardless, yes, yes, well black women are the one the one demographic that just came out in force against trump in two thousand sixteen. I think it was. It was ninety five ninety eight percent of african-american women. Trump? Joan looks like women have been the backbone of the Democratic Party forever. We've been the most loyal inconsistent voters. On the DNC for eight year and For myself just to try to crack those black glass, Leland's with the DNC has been up hill battle, but I myself and congresswoman waters, and our activists are doing that, and it's for the good of the country. I know we only have a little time left here, but I'm just I. What would what would what do you want to say right now to? This country, everybody. Everybody is in some sort of revolt whether they're in the streets whether they're in their own self quarantine, but they're. They're writing to their members of Congress. They're calling their mayors and city councils there. There's so much activism right now. which you would hope would always happen in a democracy, because democracy can't exist, unless the citizens are active so so what? What is that? You know I was just I. Don't know I I, I been so deeply affected by what has happened in recent weeks, and it's not like I haven't been deeply affected before, but right now I feel that I. Feel you. that were part of something much larger now revote. People need to recognize. They're transforming the country and the world. When you see what's happening if the UN the UN now it has made the same about human rights violations in the United States would raid the issue of racism at the United Nations I serve as a UN rep from the House of Representatives to the UN, when you see what the people of this country are doing, it's like A fan of angry people are These protests are working. We gotta stay in the streets and we've got to use our power now to. Make sure we vote for the people who are GonNa continue within the policy round both national and local to make the systemic changes that we need, and so this is the time of hope. In spite of it all, and in spite of covert, and in spite of the challenges that we're seeing police murders in spite of all of the stuff that's going on, you know people are exercising their a democratic right now their first amendment rights, and so I'd say just keep doing. We gotta make sure these you know. Uprisings and protests are strengthened and. And and don't stop and make sure we translate that into owning no better and don't settle. Don't settle any longer for the income inequality that exists. That's at the core of all. This evil is the fact that we keep a certain segment of our population down because they simply don't. They can't make it to the next paycheck. They don't have four hundred dollars. In their pocket or in their bank account, you know you've seen the statistics that the majority of Americans. If if they if they had an emergency if they had a loved one died and they needed to go across the country to the funeral. They can't afford to do that anymore. Michael Everywhere. This has got to be by racial income inequality and you know income inequality Israel. Israel and and working working class white people need to understand that African American have been there forever, and we have to unite to make sure that racial equity income equity and equality go hand in hand so that we can get you know so that we can move forward and transform this economic system in American. Yes, not not tolerate this any longer. I'm sick of it. After these four hundred one years, the fact that that African Americans would still be on the bottom rung of the economic ladder. That statistic I posted on my facebook last week. The the median family household wealth for white. Americans is one hundred seventy one thousand dollars. And, the average black family was seventeen thousand. Yeah, and and if you and if you count households that are headed by women in the black community, it was some outrageous number like the total wealth that they owned was something like a thousand dollars. That's exactly why I've been telling. Our white grass lives. If you know what I mean, many of our candidates that they've got to have this as part of their agenda and part of their messaging, we know a lot of our white aggressives have been reluctant to really put race in the mix to see this through a racial Lens, and in addition to an economic land, so thank you for doing this. Well thank you for for everything that you've done and thank you for letting me. A celebrate June teeth with you here today. This is such an honor and I will be there at your celebration next year in Oakland California next year. Okay I'm and I'm bringing the Golden State Warriors and bringing the Golden State Warriors Back to Oakland, too. That's my other Michigan. Thank you. Michael. I love. I Love Oakland. I love you and. I just I will stay healthy. You do the same. We're GONNA. Win this one Barbara. This is it? This is our. Yeah, everyone, keep wearing math key physical distancing. He wants her hand. His. Don't lifting. That forty fifth occupant in the White, House listen to the health officials in the sciences and what they're telling us to do. Please please please was pandemic. Israel I. WanNa. See Michael here next year and Oakland at my few thinks abrasion, but we gotta get over there. Yes, that's right. We'll happy. June teens representative Barbara Lee thank you for being on rumble, and and keep up the good work and let us know whatever we can do to help. with what you're doing there in Congress, thank you okay. Thanks for me, Michael's. Youtube? By Okay I, want to add. As I've been saying now over the past few weeks. That those of you listening to this, those of you who've been out there in the streets. Those of you who live. Written or call your representatives whatever you've been doing organizing in your neighbor, just talking to people having having a conversation amongst white people about. About you know this is wrong. Let's fix this now. This this just shouldn't go on any longer, and of course I'm not just talking about the police. I'm talking about. This this income inequality. I'm talking about. Emptying the prisons. We filled the prisons up with with black and Brown Americans. at such an outrageous rate. It's will not be kind when they judged this having done this. We need. We need to think differently were smarter than this. Come on. The twenty first century. Way We used to do. Policing shouldn't be done anymore that way. Way The way that way that we have prisons. And I get yes. There are a few people that we need to separate from others because they will cause harm, they will. They have caused harm. They've heard people who've killed people men who are abusive to women. All of that, yes, but everything else. It's so wrong. We need to provide help. We need to provide healthcare for people. You need to do all these things. And That was amazing to hear that story that just her grandfather, great grandfather or great great grandfather, her grandfather. Was One of the last babies born into slavery. In the state that was the last state to find out. That the slaves were no longer slaves. In so I can see why that This particular day to day has been obviously very important to Barbara Lease family. It's very important to the black community. For some time. And wouldn't it be great if those of us who are not black? Would join in. Join on this today the rest of the stay. Talk to people. Have Your, own, have your own little June eighteenth party have virtual June eighteenth party. Go to bed tonight with a commitment in your heart. That you're not going to live in a country like this anymore. You'RE NOT GONNA. Allow the country to be this way anymore. and. You're going to use whatever power you have as an individual citizen. To work with other citizens. to, write this horrific wrong. Oh I know we can do this. I'm not I'm not up in the clouds. Here I'm not POLLYANNA. I've seen enough though in the last month. To know. that. There a lot of way people in the closet. Thinking about they needed to change. They need to change their minds. To behave differently. And and they came out. Millions of commodity that closet in this last month. Let's take their hand. Each one of us. Yes. They should have come out a long time ago, but. It happens when it happens. That's the lesson of history and it's happening right now. Every day every day I. Get up now and I think what can I be doing right now today. What is that thing? I'm going to do today to to move this ball down the field. New York. Window here. Coming back maybe. I hope. thank you all of you for listening thanks. For tuning into the her her by guest here last one here. With our six month anniversary. Talking to our winners in the five million and ten million listeners. Great feedback on that, so thank you, everyone. For tuning into the APP please share this podcast. Please subscribe to it. It's free. Tell people about it. And My my special. Thanks to all of you. That's it. That's it for today. June eighteen. Twenty twenty. This year will go down in history. And you are the ones who are making that history heaven. Thank you. And we'll talk soon. This is Michael Moore and this is rubble. A. He.
Holding a Live Fish
"Baseball tonight, the PODCAST. Hi, this is Tim Kirk, and this is the baseball tonight podcast for Monday. August the tenth by the way on this date in two thousand, sixteen prints. Fielder announced his retirement e finished with exactly as many homers. Three, hundred, nineteen as father and birthday. Today is chance atoms, royals, minor league pitcher. Someday, he's going to face chance CISCO CAn't wait for that and producing from his home in the foothills of Connecticut is Taylor Shrink Taylor how you doing this. This morning, I'm doing great tim, how you doing? Okay. I. Of course am filling in for buster. Only he is fishing at Lake George, usual, one week vacation in the middle of the summer, which means he'll be doing something on his cell phone from boats. I'm sure at four o'clock in the morning, we'll be talking today with ESPN insider, Jeff Passan, and MLB dot, com Sarah Lanes, and there are a lot of things to get to not many of them. Good. Frankly. We started in Oakland benches cleared yesterday on the as Ramon, Laureano was hit by pitch from the Astros Humberto. One out in the seventh inning Laureano exchange words with the hitting coach. Alex Syndrome than charge, Syndrome Lorena was objected suspensions Shirley. How Now? Lower Janos racing toward the Astros Dugout? He's going after somebody and he tackled by several astros at now, we have a real donnybrook something that was completely frowned upon in two thousand, twenty at both teams are pushing and shoving each other in front of the Astros Dugout and it has not stopped yet. Yeah. And this you're right. It's the first time that's happened. For Semites happened in baseball this year, obviously the protocols say that you're not supposed to do this. Also covid related Indians. Pitcher Zach cleese Zach was sent home Sunday by the Indians for violating team rules for leaving the hotel. Saturday night Chicago, he apologized to the team, he will quarantine for seventy two hours in Cleveland. Also, it was announced that pirate series against the cardinals. This week has been postponed because the corona virus, the cardinals played five games this whole year they. They haven't played, since July, twenty nine, they will go at least fourteen days without playing excluding the split season of Nineteen eighty-one. No team since nineteen hundred has ever gone this long between playing games. Also yesterday the as won their ninth game in a row, they are really good. Now, Chapman Bats, he swings and he blasts one left center field. That's August way. The as have got back to back our rocket from match avenues Bork of the year, and it's I nothing. In the Indians, made it seventeen straight games to start the season allowing four runs or fewer? That is the second best streak of all time the as in nineteen eighty one went the first twenty, one games. Shane last night ran his strikeout total to forty three in his first floor appearances. That's best since Pedro, Martinez had forty, four in two, thousand one. To the county Garcia. On the appeal they ring them up. Yeah. Why not? For Saint, Bieber starting his nightmare this right now. To strikeouts start the evening for Bieber. So it sounds cliche but he flips it into another gear and there's a nasty breaking ball to take care of all. Got Him. Drop the hammer on two strikes and makes quick work of Garcia for the second time tonight, and now the one to bring you struck him out. Eight foreseen bieber tonight another great day for the padres they became the eight team ever hit six homers in the first three innings of the game. High. Fly. Ball deep left field. Don't even move David Peralta. Donovan. Move. Afoot. Peralta leftfielder straight ahead. Never moved. His is let alone his body showed that tees didn't get it in the first inning. He got in the second competitor on shot and the padres I five to nothing. Hernandez to tease, of course, hit a home run in his fourth straight game. He now has six homers in his last six games. We'll talk the Jeff Passan about him. Jeff has a piece on him going up on ESPN DOT, com today, and finally Madison Bumgarner. Allowed four home runs in a game for the first time in his career. A left after two innings with back spasms is era is close to ten before we get to Jefferson, Sarah? Sarah Fantasy. Focus football is back weekdays at ten am eastern time Matthew Berry. Field. Yates Find Your Bell and Mike Clay or here to help you dominate or fantasy league. Watch the show on you to twitter or the ESPN APP, and listen wherever you get your podcast and don't forget to draft your team compete with your friends. Take home the crown by signing up now. ESPN DOT com slash fantasy football today. Yes. Live sports are finally back just. 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I have caught a fish, but I'm the worst kind of fishermen Tim because I'm the fishermen who. How do I put this? I don't like touching fish. They feel so squishy in in when they're in my hands, it creeps me out. So I have to wear gloves if I want to hold a live fish Tabashnik. You ever milk cow. That I feel like busters milked enough cows for all. I grew up on a farm. All right. You ever ridden a horse I ever norse. I. Feel Like My. It's not horsemanship is. What's what's the word? Would Iraq who? In my case, the word is petrified, the one time I rode a horse. That was. Okay to or have you ever I don't mean anything by this. You've ever shot a gun. I have shot a gun actually a pretty decent shot shockingly. Your little more well rounded than the average sports writer, Jeff Way to go, and last thing we ever successfully changed the tire. Yeah. Great story here, actually early in the pandemic. My good friend Andy McCullough who? Works at the athletic now is driving cross country and Andy comes with this cat. And I'm allergic to cats. So we have to keep the cat down in the garage and Andy opens up the cage that we have the cat and this cat is petrified because he has never been out of the house before Andy opens up the the cage and just let the cat roam around in my garage in. We cannot find the cat in the morning. We have no idea where the cat has gone. Looking for doors, we're looking for holes in my garage finally, Andy Cole's up sisters like I. Think we lost the cat and she said check inside the car in and she didn't inside the actual car itself. She meant inside the engine of the car. So we pop the hood of my car and Lo and behold the cat has climbed up through the tire well into the engine of the car, and we cannot reach the cat. Because the tire is barring us from getting to it. So we had to change the tire of my car, a tire that was not flat by the way inside of my garage. So we could reach up into the engine and grab any McCullough scared cat, the League of most people's save a cat from a top of a tree you to. I mean we. Tried to honk the horn too scared out of the engine. No cat doesn't scare. All. Right. Well, thank you for our life questions for the day now onto the not so great stuff. There was a crawl today in Oakland Jess. Are we doing here. It, the whole thing was just so preventable in the frustrating part, is that the adult in the room Alex? Centro the hitting coach for the Houston Astros I think very easily could have prevented this look, Ramon, Laureano was angry. But I think Ramon, Laureano also understands that the ball he was hit with was a breaking ball and it was the third time he'd been hit in the series, and so the frustration there is palpable but this one clearly did not have a lot of intendant. intendant in Rommel Laurie auto showed, you know he he got a little bit of his saltiness out I. by essentially pantomime to Castanos, the rookie pitcher you gotTa. Finish your slider. You gotTA throw it all the way through. But when Alex Cintron started Chirpin from the bench that just exacerbated situation that that you know took the tender and just let it on fire and the what ended up happening the fallout. There was ugly in there is going to be a very long suspension for Alexandra. Considering that we saw, Joe, Kelley gets spended games in a sixty game season, even though he didn't hit a guy with the pitch Cintron I think is going to be out for a while with the Astros, the Jeff. What does that mean? What does out for a while means more than eight Dame's Zego? Yeah. ONCE HE GONNA get. Yeah. I I. Think we're probably looking at a minimum of fifteen tim It wouldn't at all surprise me if it were more though. Though, because what what ended up happening the what? What the fallout from this was were seventy people gathering in a huge pile were a Dustin Garneau Tackling Ramon Louisiana. Who I think is probably going to get a pretty significant suspension himself for for charging the bench because if he doesn't charge there, of course, this whole thing doesn't happen, but the the optics of it side are just you know there's nothing you can say he is a coach he stepped to Laureano. Come on motion to and and so because of that I think it's fifteen minimum wouldn't surprise me twenty, twenty, five in. Would you be entirely shocked tim to to see the the league, just come down and say you're done for the year period. No. I wouldn't be surprised again. This is why they threw the book at Joe Kelley Yes. Yes. Want this to happen again, and then it happened again, the one thing we can't have during a endemic are two teams fighting with each other against it anyway. Is. Completely ridiculous and so what's GonNa, get. Yes. Maybe he was goaded into this, but he did charge the opposite dugout. He's a good player on a red hot team what happens to him suspension. Wise. I mean, does he get Kelly Eight? Does he get a little bit more because you know he? He actually was trying to incite violence here I? I don't know if he gets a whole lot more than ten. I. Think that's probably the territory in right now, listen. Christiane WHO's in charge of these decisions now? These are these are not easy cases that he has to figure out in adjudicating and in really get to the to the heart of because you've gotta be tough Guy I. Don't know maybe Joe Kelley was meant to be an example, didn't work but almost like the second time through. It's like the Marlins should have been an example. They weren't in the cardinals did what they did. They should be clear example, but then Zach police at goes and does what he does and who knows what other players are going and doing what they are at this point. All right. So what did you think of the Indians decision to send? Please Act back to Cleveland to quarantine for seventy two hours. I thought that was the least that they could have done. I. Think that they very easily could have said, you know what? If you're going to make a decision like this? That is that selfish and can put in danger this clubhouse in the rest of your teammates, we don't want you around share and I wonder in a in a situation with a lesser player whether that would have been the decision We certainly can't deny that quality of a player. Tends to factor into situations like this and Zach. Police. Act has been really good. But either way Tim it's. It's just one of those things that for the Indians particularly, they have been so unbelievably good when it comes to protocols and in Chris Anthanetis has gotten raves from around league, other executives at other teams about just how stringent the Indians are being and then to see a player go and potentially endanger that all. Is. The most frustrating thing you can possibly have if you're in his or or the Indians position especially when they have a good chance at the postseason this year, and when with a rotation like they have, they have the ability to go and win the world series. and. Just to finish that point, I, asked you Frank Francona. Right before the season started. What should we expect to see with Cohen and he says, if our guys start to get sick, then we know the whole game is a big trouble because he said nobody has done this in a stricter way in. So I was not surprised at all that they sent him home. They should have sent him home, and that should be a message to all the players or. Season in going to have to be serious about it as the Indians were yesterday. Now, JAB on to the cardinals cardinals point side games. Wage should July twenty nine? We've had forty games postponed this year thirty, five by Kovic. What one we gonNA do with the cardinals. I don't know him I. You know I have been asking that same question to people around baseball and and at one point it was They'll make up games. There's not enough time on the calendar to make up the games anymore I mean you're looking inside of their division right now, Cincinnati reds and Pittsburgh pirates. If both played sixteen games, you look around in other divisions. Teams played seventeen games. They played five aims, Ano-. By the way, they're not going to be playing their three games at least this week starting today at in Tuesday and Wednesday as well that were scheduled against the pirates and after that are they. ARE THEY GONNA go to Detroit is that really like in the offing here and if they don't, then they will have missed a quarter of the season at that point. And and? He ask if you're any of the other teams, I, I got a text from player last night inside of that division saying, are they really GonNa? Let the cardinals play fifteen fewer games than us and go on winning percentage. In and he was he was meaning to say like, yeah, there's there's an advantage potentially when you play fewer games, of course, there's also a disadvantage when you're off for two weeks in the middle of a season so. There's just no good solution for the cardinals at this point, if you say to them, sorry, you haven't played enough games. You're not going to qualify for the postseason. There could be a rash of opt-outs or you could have players who look at the protocols and say you know what if we're not playing for anything. If we're not playing for a ring. Are we really GonNa follow these strictly in abide by these. It's just a complete mess and there is not a if there's a greater warning sign to the rest of baseball as to how fragile this entire endeavor is and how quickly it can fall apart I. I. Don't know what it is. I Don something good. The as have one nine games in a row jet. They are really good. What have you seen from the as so far? We've seen clutch hitting. We've seen a great pitching. We've seen we've seen timmy a lot of what we saw last year and and even the year before when you know Matt Olsen. Matt Chapman on the corners are franchise level is and someone like Laureano in in center field I, mean Ramon Laureano. was acquired for Brandon Bailey who's now relief pitcher with with Houston he was he was a guy who had a great minor league season then moved up a level and sort of looked like he had stalled a still loved him and he's been been absolutely spectacular. But you know I I look at their pitching him and man is their pitch, a good Frankie Mon. Toss might be the most underrated pitcher in baseball. I. Mean. If you look at him over the last couple of years, the number, he's the numbers. He's putting up I, think he might actually have the best era for any pitcher whose thrown like hundred plus settings of the last couple years and hastens Lazaro is is something I mean, he's he's going to be a front of the rotation type starter for years to come and. You know what the as do so well is cobbled together a bullpen and it's not just going out and signing jd men are bringing Joakim. Sorry in. It's a guy like Burch, Smith, who has been anywhere in everywhere. It has sort of just been like A. Just an average type guy and thrown ten scoreless innings this year like Jordan weems You know converted Pitcher who found really good stuff this spring and they've gotten you know live solid innings out of him. Oakland is just. You know I I. Don't know any other way to put. Oakland just plays a really enjoyable brand of baseball. I like watching the as there are fun team, they're young team, and they are a really good team. Speaking, a great shame bieber. Great again, last night, that's forty every breakouts in his first four appearances. Indian seventeen straight games. Start this year allowing fewer than five run less or short of the major league record set by the eighty one as I mean, bieber's walk strikeout ratio is. A joke. What would you want? Hardy, senator podcast if they keep that starting pitching healthy. An awful of good stuff in. October. Yeah. You know what I love about. Shame Beaverton. Shane beaver actually throws six distinct pitches. And you know when he came up to the big leagues, there were there were questions about him because of his velocity, you know that's why he fell to the fourth round in the draft, but he's got his four seam fastball that he can command probably as well as any pitcher in baseball. That's why he was successful coming up He's got the slider that he throws if it's a lot like Corey Kluber slider, it's one of those just heavy lake breakers is got his changed up. That has always been that that pitch that he can use to get left handers. How It's his curve balls, a plural there in his daughter though that are so incredible. He throws two different curveballs, inclement fan graphs at A. A, really good story last week about this If you look at what Bieber did last year in the middle of the season, he he changed the shape of his curveball more to mimic slider. So the balls becoming the same you know in the same slot, the same sort of area coming out of his hand and one of them would break significantly in one of them would break little lesson. If you're a hitter, it's like, how do you deal with that? Well, he brought back his other curve this year too. So Shave bieber actually throws to really good curve balls and then because he's not gross enough, he added a cutter to that and in the whole everything when you have command will work. But man when you're a hitter going up there. It's hard enough against the reliever who's got a really good fastball and slider to figure out what's coming. When you have to try choose among six pitches. You can't guess you just simply can't you have to look in try and figure it out in the moment, and that is why shame bieber his struck out forty three batters in four games. And then on the other side, there's Fernando to tease junior your boy by the way, your TV piece on him was tremendous and you're spanking earn out today on ESPN DOT com these as late as one hundred major league games, steps, thirty homers. He's. He's six homers in the last six games. Four games that a row. He's Alina Inter as a shortstop. I, mean. He's. He's beyond made. I hate making this comparison because he is to one years old because he's one hundred games into his big league career, but the size, the speed, the power, the ability. Is, very, Alex, Rodriguez like and Alex Rodriguez is one of the best players ever in baseball like just one of the most talented. We know that we've seen Matt and and so making that comp I, you know I hesitate to do so but what Taty S- is doing right now is is breathtaking. He is so much fun to watch. is so much fun to be around he such a dynamic personality and. He wants to be out there representing baseball like that's the thing about him in in. The commissioner Manfred has indirectly criticized Mike Trout in the past for being, you know the best player in the world, but he doesn't really want to be out there doing the interviews, doing the advertisements doing the stuff like that. Fernando Totti's junior has been living this because he has his father's name because he has been around fame for his entire life and in the Dominican Republic and some Patriot of mockeries where he grew up. That is the cradle of shortstops in. So if anyone was born for this team, it was him and into see him come out this year and pick up right where he left off last year offensively, and then even more impressive. Defensively, zero errors through sixteen games. The the big knock on him last year was that he was too sloppy with his defense. He spent all off-season probably twice as much time working on his glove as he did his bat, and if you have even an shortstop, let alone above average one with the bat like that. We're talking a franchise type player in good Lord, he's twenty one year around for a long time. Again last week for for you, jeff in that. Game yesterday Madison Bumgarner gave up four home runs in a game for the first time. It is career is flaccid. is almost an any came out extras after two innings. What is the level of concern with him? I mean, the level of concern should be reasonably high considering the the diamondbacks who for for years had done a really good job of positioning themselves during this retool of there's to go out and spend some money spent seventy, two, million dollars on him this off season. Were not even a year into that contract The diamondbacks have rebuilt on the fly about as well as anybody In recent years, they have not tanked. They have not lost games They've just done a great job of putting a farm system together while still maintaining competitiveness, but the fact they've come out of the gate six ten and that they're they're big ticket item. Madison Bumgarner has struggled as much as he has is very frustrating ice. Still think that the diamond backs. Backs, are are a good team and potentially a playoff team but I think the dodgers are the best team in baseball. I, think the padres I picked them even before to me the the playoffs were expanded I thought the Padres we're going to be a playoff season this year, and the Colorado Rockies are sitting here with the second best record in the National League according to the way through the season. So diamondbacks have a tough road Ho here and We're GONNA, see how much metal they and Madam half. Our Jeff, thanks for joining us today with buster. Come back from his vacation. We're GONNA have a cow milking tutorial. At a milk cow show I've done. It once was a disaster also. So he's GonNa. Show us how to milk a cow. He gets back are you in? Oh. I'm one hundred percent in and not only that can can we go to a ranch and ride horses together? Jeb? Anneli. The time I rode the horse was to impress live. Wife was my friend Joe or our veterans by was, we were running off the seal I swear to. God. At forty miles an hour. Miles an hour, but I had no idea how to ride a horse. It was most frightening thing. I. Ever done to that point. So yes, we'll. How will ride a horse? How about that? I'm so into him, I can't wait find value others overlook just like billy, beane did for the Oakland Athletics World Series winning talent is often found where you least expect our pools who the cardinals drafted in the thirteenth round. No one expects you to draft bets in the six round of fantasy, and that's why you're the champion of your friend group. Don't be swayed by too much tire or come up short by buying two little cooper's are just right. The Best Bang for your Buck Cooper, tires undergo rigorous testing or back by warranty, you can trust at the last for thousands of miles. The Cooper's pride themselves on good merchandise. 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Sometimes, we don't. It's OK is twenty one. So we have to talk about twenty, one year old Fernando. Tab. Tease Junior. He's homered in four straight games, which is tied for the second longest home runs straight in the modern era for any player, his age or younger. The only straight longer on that list is Ronald Kuni junior who homered in five straight in twenty eighteen as a twenty year old and teases also tied. Tied for the major. League. Lead in home runs with Aaron Judge, which is absolutely incredible, and yes, it's only eight home runs right now. But if he were to lead the majors in home runs, he would be just the third player to lead the majors in home runs in his age twenty, one season or younger, and the others are Eddie Mathews in Nineteen fifty three n Sam Crawford in Nineteen O. Once that's what she's looking at right now in terms of history. Number two, number two is thirty, eight and three, hundred, sixty. So I thought this was some fun history that you would appreciate to me. So last night after the rain delay in on the south side of Chicago. We saw Oliver Perez come in and get the save for the Indians. Thirty years and three, hundred, sixty days old. He's the third oldest player to record a safe for the Indian since the stab became official in nineteen, sixty nine, the only ones older were Doug, Jones in an August game in nineteen ninety, eight at forty, one years and sixty days old and Steve Carlton in April. One thousand nine hundred eighty seven as a forty two. Two year old, and both of those were like pitched. The final three innings of game saves. So they weren't what Oliver presents dealing with, which was runners on base in a one game. It had just been pouring in Chicago and the team had allowed four runs, just four runs for the seventeen, th straight game. They haven't allowed more than four onto at this year. Number One. Number one is to so Saturday. We saw Austin slater recorded his first ever multi homer game, and he did it by hitting two home runs off of Clayton Kershaw us just the seventh player with multiple home runs in a game against Kershaw joining Boba shot last year Jose Reyes in twenty, seventeen, Jay Bruce and Jason. Worth in twenty, thirteen, Carlos Gonzales and twenty twelve, Adam done in two, thousand, ten and the. The three home runs that kershaw allowed in total including one to make us trump's where the most he'd ever allowed in a game against the giants, which is pretty incredible because we were supposed to have on opening day. We were all prepared for how great he is not just on opening day. But against the giants, all of these against a single opponent records in there, he was allowing to run Staw inflator. Share. Those are great numbers back to tease for minute. The key is that he is a shortstop I, mean Sam Crawford, Matthews? They were not shorts playing a premium defensive position with every part of the end covered and he's hitting all his own runs. How much more impressive? Is it US playing? That position with this kind of POW absolutely I mean you nailed it on the head. So yesterday was actually his hundredth career game and that home run he hit was his thirtieth career home run, which is. Is the most by shortstop through one hundred career games, and we know all of the hall of fame jobs you can pick and choose. You can pick calorie engineer. You can pick Alex Rodriguez is you know resume even though he hasn't in the hall of fame, you can pick and choose all of those different shortstops. None of them did what he's doing right now and we didn't even talk about his speed. I mean everything that he is doing at this age at that position is just so impressive. As. For Oliver Perez. there. I watched him in the bolt and last night. He's got almost as much grey hairs. I do which really saying so. He's still pitching in the big leagues you know. Twelve years ago, he was on his way out. He could throw a strike at in trouble God. Bless for sticking around this line pressing are, is it at this guy? Can still throw a gift people out in the Big Leagues, his age, it's really incredible and I think that it was interesting because he was a guy who I think we might end up being affected by the three batter minimum role, but he's still been really valuable to that team because the way he was used he I think he had the most one batter appearances last year, he was close to it, and that was sort of how Chari Franconia used him over the last two years, but this year he talked in spring. Spring Training about how he was up to the challenge. He'll figure out a different way to pitch. He'll be helpful to the team and he's done that, but it's just you know everyone kind of on twitter last night was just like well, all e Perez is in to save this game and everyone says the same thing that we thought he was done a while back I? Mean I grew up a mets fan I. Remember watching him pitch in the two thousand, six layoffs in here he is. I mean it's really incredible I just to finish Austin slater two homers off Laker. Kershaw. Sarah this. Why we love this game, you know we don't have people. You Know Dunkin on Michael Jordan A. Sleep mask, but it happens base all the time young. I had two homers off of Future Hall of Famer obviously. Doesn't that speak to how great the game is these incredible lists that you come up with how eclectic the names are on these lists. Yeah I, mean, that's what stands out to me most is that list of hitter good hitters, but none of them are going to go man Bobishenko, could end up in the hall of Fame Hey Austin Slater's careers just starting who knows. But those aren't necessarily the big deal guys who we see even over the last ten years, the ones who were hitting two home runs off of Clayton Kershaw and it's so cool to remember. Remember you know Adam. Dunn was an absolutely outstanding power hitter, but to realize, okay, his career overlapped with Kershaw and he was able to get him when Kershaw, was still very young back in two thousand, ten, Jose Ray, and twenty seventeen, I mean tail end of his career, not exactly a power hitter in any way to see these names on. There is just so much fun. It's of course, it's why we love the game. Thanks for joining us. Sarah can't wait to work with you tonight again at giants at the Astros at nine o'clock Sarel, being Connecticut Ravioli in Connecticut. Parlin Laura. Will. Do a game for nexus is a challenge of all geologists, but it's great fun. I'll see tonight. Okay. I'll talk to you, nate. Timmy. Thank you so much for having me. Bleacher tweets. All righty, Tim Kirkman, bleacher tweets for Mundy and I want to mention before we get in there. This is a university of Maryland helmed podcast here. Wanted to drop that on. You couple alumni rolling on the podcast today. Well, differences. Taylor. I graduated thirty thousand years before you sir. Do you have any good? Any fond memories of college that pop come to mind? Well. I was rather unusual jaded college. I wasn't do what every other college student was doing that I will say a lot of the basketball team in Maryland and I saw some of the greatest stuff ever. Brandes is freshman year was my freshman year. Maryland, we were supposed to finish last the ACC. We won the regular season because Brad Davis Point Guard was unbelievable and Moses Malone was in one of my classes, my freshman year at Maryland, but he never showed up the But whatever the UTAH. Stars. But I was actually in plasma. They did the role and Moses Malone name was called out for the role and I started crying thinking. He come here. We would have won three national championships. Went to the NBA. So those are my favorite memories of the University of Maryland, both of them basketball relate. Wow. Very cool. Moses Malone. Who knew of great one. If here on the PODCAST, let's dig into these tweets. Here are pal Aaron at Iran San, Diego writes in excited. You'll be on the pod Monday. Tim? From one box score lover to another. Can you please share with us the process of how you go about reading box scores? Where do you begin? Where do you go from there, etc.. Well. There's no necessary order. But I read every line of every box for every day. Just in case you might see something that you've never seen before you know at a manny horror had line several years ago, pitcher in relief, all free, three, three, three, three, three. So we check Sonny Siebert in the seventies was the last year that anybody had a pitching line quite like that, and that's what I'm always looking for is unusual things that jump off the page to me. A guy has been reading these boxers for literally sixty years. Other people can go into a house in the chandelier jumps right at them like they could see that I can't see any of that stuff but. But, I can see stuff box wars, and that's what I'm looking for is unusual things in every day. I check to see if anyone has a reverse triple double is what I call at is two strikeouts to errors and to grounded into double plays. Curb in nineteen, seventy eight is the only player since all those categories became official to have to those all in the same game. So any time I see somebody rounded two double plays I'm hoping, did he strike twice and did he make to errors? Then we'd have the second look at this. That's the kind of stop I'm looking for every day, and I must say it is a pathetic way to go through life. Well keep the dream alive there. Tim It'll. It'll happen one day. Let's go to our last question for today Tim. Valenzuela at Tim Valenzuela writes in in the wake of the pirates twins game being delayed by drone flying in the stadium. What's the strangest reason? A game that was played got delayed that you've seen. Well, of course, we all see bees and roane SOM- field, an unbelievable rain, but just try to be different Intel story. I'm not sure everyone knows about a game at Exhibition Stadium I. WanNa say was nineteen, eighty four and the wind was so believably hard that they started the game but Doug Rader, the manager of the Rangers did not let Charlie off the knuckleball pitcher was supposed to start. He wouldn't let. Let him start because the wind was going to take the novel ball to places. We couldn't even see. So he started Jim Bibby instead Jim baby. He said while we're starting to him because he's the largest man. North. America. So we know one guy's not going to get blown off the mound. It's Jim Bibby. So that game lasted about two hittings is where you tailor those pop up to shortstop that. that. Blew into foul territory over the first base dugout. That's how hard the wind was blowing and afterlife three games. The up three in parts that right? This is absurd. You can't play a major league game in that never seen a game 'cause just. Just. Because of wind. But I cover that game in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, four. All right. Really appreciate the questions, everyone don't forget to write in. 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"Introducing built to last a new podcast by american express. I'm elaine well trough. And i'm excited to host debut season where we will be deep diving into the stories history and continued legacy of small businesses. That shape american culture through these important conversations will hear how the black business leaders are. Pass have inspired. Today's black owned small businesses and communities. Join us for the debut season of built to last on spotify apple youtube. or wherever. You get your favorite podcasts. Hello and welcome to as plus the san francisco chronicle's podcast on the oakland as a major league baseball. I'm your host chronicle as beat writer susan's lesser today. I am joined by as pitching coach. Scott emerson it's always nice to talk to any coach in december but particularly after yet another fine season for the as particularly the as pitching staff And a lot of interesting pitching conversations. We can have about next year and what things might look like. Welcome scott First of all. How are you doing this winter. Just hanging around the house and getting reacquainted with a wife and dog. And you're ready for this Cororavirus to get out of here. Yeah that would. I think that's what we're we're all kind of doing right now And and hoping that it doesn't affect next year season like it did this past year. Nevertheless your team did what you guys set out to. Do you won the division. That was really the focus. Even in a pandemic shortened season. You guys were able to edit it wind up extrapolating if you did to ninety seven wins had been a full season so you guys are have been consistent. But how do you evaluate shorter season. What you're pitching staff was able to. Let's let's start with the rotation with you know it was Pretty much as advertised. Aimed chris bassett. I think gave you guys so much really turned into sort of the workhorse consistent. Guy of the staff. I think our starters you know In my opinion. I feel like we're always get underrated. A little good and Know if you look at the numbers And i know sometimes starters wins are on our great number to look we. I think we're tied for third. Twenty two wins for starters. You know for me that tells me they just cut us into games and You go out twenty. Two of the thirty six from the starting out with was great. And like you said. Chris bassett you know we've seen his emergence over the last two years really come into resorted and just you know he. He's a grinder. he's a competitor. he's a great teammate. He's the guy who wants to win. And and when you have those type of guys other guys follow you know. I think you know sean mnaya is another guy goes out there and compete and the one thing you know during the pandemic season is the ramp up with. I mean these guys had ten twelve starts. And sometimes that's when they start kicking in and get grew getting into their groom for these guys that you know. They had this thrown by themselves Before you know july and kinda get ready for this sprint type. Season was tough. But i think our guys you know they had some rough patches. But they've battled out but what do you think that bassett was able to do this past year that made him so successful and so consistent really you know he's the guy who'd been bouncing up and down and filling different roles and there was even some question you know whether he might even be in the rotation to start the season if he'd be kind of a swing man again and there he was. He really was the leader of the staff. How was he able to do that. I think one thing if you look at passover is career and you go to one of the tools pitcher needs is that delivery and for years it was kind of a little bit wrong and wacky and and out of control and seem like we're trying to paint them up and and make him but it never became to where chris bassett was gonna be this pretty tight mechanic guy so we started incorporating some other things other true works just kind of Perfect what he does. Well and the honest with you. This season you know in between starts is bullpens of never seen him paint the pensions in the bullpen. Like he was doing this This season come to the bullpen. Takings bullpens very seriously and actually you know really stepped up in commanding and throwing quality. Good bullpens pitchers gotta have quality chech- an quality bullpens and take that into the game and for me it was really i watch the guy and his bullpen work You know be more precision than he has in the past. I think that helps them. In the gate can execute pitches center. Now you've got to be able to execute the pitchers with the hitter. And i think that's also matured thing. You know guys coming up young pitchers you know. Sometimes they wanna get that goal pen and kind of air it out and experiment with certain things which is good. But the number one thing you gotta get that bullpen. Got a command. The baseball hitter in there and think Vast his game to another level by doing that. Yeah has confidence. Seemed off the charts. It's funny you mentioned the delivery. Because i've always loved his delivery know it's all arms and legs and elbows and it's It's kind of fun to watch. He's is one of your got one woman. Were kind of interesting. I think techniques. Maybe from a pitching coach. Not not entirely like what you want. Not the smoothest. But it's fun to watch When that's where. Tom seaver yeah. Great time see rule passed away. This year is back. You test the ground so so catching deliveries can come from from all over and look different. Obviously there are certain guidelines. You wanna have you delivering. But at the end of the series. How he makes his move. That's best for him. It's whatever you're doing. It's working Shaman ira you mentioned Early a he didn't get off to the best start in and who knows again like did such a compressed training camp but he really seemed like he picked it up. What kinda did you see going on with him when when maybe he was struggling a little bit and what did he do to maybe right himself. Well we always think when when sean can come in thousand ball when he wants to on the inside part of a play you know resulted up that outer part played and he's got the devastating change if i were you got one of the best changeups. Baseball you know. And he'll tell you this breaking pitches the one that always got to constantly work on. And i he has the breaking pitch that he's really really good and I think sean one for me. A great competitor rate teammate. And a guy that wants to take the baseball and you know he has lost some loss over the years. But i still think that he's got a lot left in him and his ability to You know compete. That's that's the number one thing that you need out of a pitcher. He can't compete. You're not gonna be successful and Sean is gonna find a way to be successful. And if he has a couple of bad games. What i've really noticed from him in his grit and determination and his mental toughness that he's not gonna let the game bother him the past game if he struggled and he's not gonna let great game You know taking confidence to to high. He's gonna stay level peel. And that's the one thing i've really noticed about sean over the last couple of years. He doesn't panic But i think he's gonna be sean tonight that we wanted to be epilepsy. Now thank you montas really. I think that was a head scratcher. Think for a lot of us with his season So much promised so much ability you know when he you know he's obviously he had the the season that was shortened because of the drug suspension but man he was just outstanding and he just couldn't really quite put it together. Was that the long layoff for the Shortened preparations what. What did you see. Going on with. Frankie if if you were never Frankie came out of the gate. Great with the three great starts and then The shoulder next thing happened and miss ten days and with with the pandemic there wasn't enough to really say should he go on a rehab assignment or not and for me the first thing that You know when somebody's either her or Look at his command and When you came back after that Off and he started his errors. Zona They're very patient team. And you just couldn't command is baseball. As good as as he had those three stars or the season before. So you know whether that was Still feeling something. The inability to put his body into a position that you need to throw quality strikes Could have suffered you know. The always stays there jelly. You know if i was looking at a guy owns a good strike thrower and then all of a sudden. He's not throwing strikes anymore. what he's still maintaining velocity. I started getting. You know a little scared about what's going on. Because that's telling me. He can't put his body into position to make the pitches that it used to be making. So i i think frankie For the most part last year was just fighting himself shoulder the neck or whatever. We'll call that to get himself in the proper position to throw quality strikes. So i'm really hoping that this Downtime cleaned him up and got for next year. Yeah i mean he's definitely going to be somebody that you guys will have to rely on for next year. And i'm liking the the way the the rotation is shaping up for next year even though mike fires who has been really so consistent for you guys i mean. The team's won the majority of the games. He started You know he's provided. Exactly what i think that the team had hoped he's a free agent But even without fire if he does not come back as as seems like as possible. You guys are in pretty good shape. I think Hey seuss lazaro for me is still really one of the best young left-handed arms in the game he didn't quite dominate the way i thought maybe he might last year but he's still learning. Where do you see him in his development right now as you're still for me job is gone. Electric stuff electric are we. Is you know still. A frontline. Started the tough thing. Last year you know in this pandemic last year was when when ages came into camp and wasn't able to be in in summer camp for Two weeks he had to quarantine so You know because all this ramp up and build up at home and he gets ready to come to the summer camp and then all of a sudden he's in quarantine two weeks and we can't work with them and You know what you could do with his arm limited and then all the sudden. He's drawing writing to the fire. The game action pretty much of a bullpen. Bp and here we go into the game gets out in the pan could get him rolling but You know. I think that your next year. Hopefully we have this full season. Hopefully we have full spring training A lot i remember him Facing todd frazier in in texas news like email throw it in. I feel like he's gonna turn on me thrown away. I feel like he's gonna go. Yup ill and i said yeah. That's called good major league hitter. You know so. That's why you have to have the ability to move your fastball. Around and change speeds and and has that ever skating breaking ball. So i i think the weren't on the fly. I don't think he was probably I wish we could have had more time with them in summer. Camp to get him ready to be able to do some things you know. The toughest part about development in the big leagues is that i find out. I'm doing the long time as you know you're individuals it's about winning the game and you're in the minor leagues. You can tell guys say i need you to throw you know second pitch changeups after first pitch ball. I need you you know. You're kinda scripts and things out every now and then the kid guys using their stuff and developing their stuff so hey zoom some not worried about is his stuff i just. We just need to get out on the game out. I think he's going to learn more some more vicious. We'll be back in just a moment with as pitching coach. Scott emerson but here's a reminder you can find all of the chronicles as coverage and the rest of our baseball coverage at sf chronicle dot com to subscribe could sf chronicle dot com slash pod support for this podcast comes from cdw on dell technologies cdw g we get in migrating your agency to a hyper converged. Infrastructure is challenging decaf. Got gotta do it. I want to wolves slowdown friend. Cdw jeez experts can help simplify your transition from legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with dell emc solutions that offer speed and agility. Have you done it. Is it done yet done yet. It orchestration by cdw. J. people who get it find out more at cdw dot com slash dell emc. We talked a little bit. The other day with david forced in advance of the the winter meetings such as they are and he he mentioned that. Aj puck is doing well with his rehab. Have you talked much to aj. What is he doing right now. We're you know we check back and forth just making sure we the. The guys started their rolling program December first and the you know start draw bullpens in january leading to camp. These guy probably throw rob chango pens before they get the spring training as long as we're starts from training on time so after january's more will you know he'll send me some video you can see your progress If i live on the east coast things calmed down. I may take a trip down to c. J. and hayes and talk to them Earlier about going down to florida. So just keep in contact with them. They can sure good making sure he's playing proper catch. Well it's kind of fun that he and he's living in the guest room at the lozada's house which is kind of great you know he's got an automatic throwing partner right there so you're expecting him to be a full go for throwing bullpens in january basically with sous. Yeah i think that's the plan you know just You know feedback that Make athletic trainer will give us a and how age as doing battle. Gotta play off major part in deciding how fast we gotta move out stone. We go smoke now. Makes sense What do you see is is. Maybe the wool for him next year is is he still a starter you know. The team has talked about him as a starter. Still i you know i i. This is just me. But i keep pushing him as. Hey maybe at some point down the line. You know after at tommy john and after shoulder surgery maybe closer type guy. I love a big tall hard-throwing lefty potentially coming out of open. I think you always want you guys to start out trying to start you know i think. Aj's never really been given that opportunity because of his injury history to solidify himself. You know starting rotation You know that's always a great fallback. Because he does have bullpen experience. And like you said he's got a power arm and power breaking ball so we we feel like we could fall back on that. But i think You know everything leads to look see if this guy can start and see where we go with that one thing is you know. He's had the elbow surgery. He's had shoulder surgery so hopefully you know he comes into camp. He's built great about itself and is armed. Feels great and then we can take it from there. Well the reason. Of course. I mentioned him as a potential closer as you guys are more than likely going to lose liam hendriks which is really such a shame considering his really amazing journey with you guys going from a guy who was designated for assignment and then winds up being the opener in the playoffs that same year and then the next year in june winds up as a closer this turns turns into an all-star closer and and might be the most prize closer right now in the free agent market. That's that's extraordinary. First of all from a pitching coach standpoint. What was it like to watch that season that he put together. Well lately most unbelievable. I mean ever since he came back onto the roster after being designated He he did it a lot a lot of this stuff on his own you know. He watched his diet crew just throwing program. He got great routines And you know for me. Separation is preparation. You want separate yourself from other people in the game you compare and by him putting himself in the position with his diet just throwing program just in my opinion gave him more confidence and and then the success came its success kept rolling in and he kept getting gaining more confidence And he could relax out there. You know sometimes you look at pitchers that throw you know the young kids they come up so ninety seven ninety eight and they're not in the strike zone and they're trying to do too much but you know they have a great arm so you kinda got back themselves down a little bit to throw quality strikes because the ninety seven ninety eight overcrowded. But then you know in them and then once they get those games under their belt and they can breathe. You know i always say. Sometimes these guys take a while to build on. Just go out on a big league field of view able to breathe normally. Think of it as like a walk in the park. I know when we had john. Oxford and and ryan madson. We talk all the time and and they would always say this like walking in the park game know this is this is how you feel like walking in a park and you start breaking that down you know when you go on these strolls. That's because you're confident. And i think the m gain that each and every year after After that season he was designated that and he just wants got the kohl's rolling he never looked back and he said i i love this. He's a german jockey. He loved the journaling and that since gain but now he's able to hone in on his emotions and adrenaline and they pictures in and she did that and you know obviously i'd love to have them back but if that's not the case i wish him Great success in gainesville. He doesn't pitch against the bullpen was so really so solid Throughout the course of the the sixty game season You had four relievers with er as under two. And jake diekman didn't give up a run until very late in the season and just the one run so he wants with an old four to tell us about jake diekman when he was doing because it seemed like he had runners on all the time. I don't know how you know. I know he was a finalist for You know all. Nlp guys should have been on it. Yeah i mean talking about You know i know liam liam screen and Awesome jake diekman when you're coming in gains runners on base and you're getting out of jams and those. He's always pitching in a pressure situation. That's why he's pitching he. He's been very rarely came into games. You know three or two or whatever. It's it's one pitch could've cost of football game and you know just as much as i loved liam as an mvp eh jake diekman right there as an mvp. Our staff is well. I mean those two guys and diekman Putting the fires out so we could get the staves Was a great combination and d.c. Did for me. You know one running twenty one. And i think third inning. I i know maybe innings. Don't give you a cy young voting anything because they have many innings. I guess but this guy was wanted to best interest and had one of the best seasons of anybody in the history of the game. I know sixty games but it was. You know if you look at the numbers and then you know we just called the for. The season was outstanding us. Amazing and He should have been on that all. Mlb team as well. Yeah i couldn't agree with you more. It was really Yeah it was something to watch. Yeah and the one run was a home show. He was in trouble. You know you just made a pitch in. And i believe with left handed. Hitter it down the lie so i mean the guy was awesome. Yeah no doubt about it. David forced mentioned. Jake is a potential replacement at closer. You know maybe. The top candidate from the current roster. I know what kind of push. Aj puck but in general. There aren't a ton of left-handed closers. Which do you think about it. And he has been so valuable pitching in high leverage situations. As as you mentioned what do you think of him. Maybe as a closer and including potentially a closer who could come in and get a four out save needed. They've got the potential to to pitching any role that you approve them. Because you know he's got that ability to to seek a baseball got that doing to throw the hard For seem often strikes on. He's got to devastate breaking ball. He throws hard. He's got you know. Keep keeping straight you can move it around He's got all the intangibles. You're looking at for closer or for the end of the game type guy you know. Usually i like to call it ended. The game is you know because of that were out say could have Yom sure we'll we'll have those conversations about what's best for us to win ballgames and you know just like last year when the chips are down a lot and whether that's important or the ninth. I feel like we'll do the same thing. I guess it'll be all about the personnel that the front office goes out and gets and then a lot of it to match ups in the game. You know how many left these are coming up. Even though the i think deep does great against right handed hitters so You know. I think sometimes it'll be about matchups i see us. You know maybe You know exploring every y'all tunji with all our guys after jp window can kind of quietly put up really nice numbers a one eighty or a. He's got great stuff He's a guy. I think that also could probably handle that job. He's young he doesn't have a ton of experience yet but He's he's picking it up pretty quickly. Where do you think he is right now in in his development and is he a guy who you know as maybe got maybe a little bit of a long shot but could be considered at some point for such a role. Well i think he's one of those guys that i charge out earlier but the ability to get out there brief Just watching J. b. over the last two years he's more cool calm and collected relaxed out there and i think that he's got a great mentality want he doesn't remember yesterday and that's good for reliever Because you know if something happens negatively he's got strong mental approach that it didn't affect him and he's got the weapons you know he's he's got the fastball. He's got the curve all. He's got and got a fastball that he can run a he's got a sinker at the bottom of the zone. He's got a slider and a curveball devastating change. Sometimes you know you you look at relievers. Say you don't want to be a jack of all trades master. None but you know. He's got a legitimate pinches that you're looking for and You know. I always believed that you could see your strengths And your string scotto exploit weaknesses and when you have those types of pitches. jv can exploit all the hitter's weaknesses. Yeah for sure. There were two other guys who in kind of limited action. I think peaked a lot of interest. Burch smith was one you know. He's obtained from the giants during spring training and Jordan weems who's a converted catcher and throws hard. Both of those guys in in not a lot of time. I think showed some things that that would make any team. Go That could be. They could be really interesting assets. What what your thoughts on. What we saw from them and what they might be able to do here in the in the next year to. You're right guys pitcher top astray song. I think jordan really developed that slider this year. That split finger got a little bit better birch virtuous electric until he got hurt. I mean he did a lot of good things he's got a love is getting another guy with a lot of Pitches to gain you. Slow the ball. Down pitching in and out elevate and he's smart. You know i. I really you know. Just watching pitch in and talking to them you know. He's a smart pitcher. He's got a plan when he takes that amount. You know incorporates are scouting stuff and but he has a plan. He has an idea of attacks. He's not just standard on the mouth role and stuff and and figured out right then he goes into the game and kinda has an idea of what he wants to do. How his pitches can defeat the hitters weakness and jordan's coming along great for me in that area knowing when to throw where y reading hitters self vienna former catcher. You know that helps them out as well. So you know baltimore's guys for me can play great impacts on our pitching staff because one they got the below but i think that their pitches are developed enough that they're gonna have success and they showed in short skirt that they can do that now about managing it over a long course of the season and then you know switching roles you know sometimes you know pitching in six and the seventh in down game. There's a lot different than pitching in six and seven up one or one or two some so now you know. Hopefully they get goes jordan just more those opportunities. I think version were really good at giving them a lot of Crunch time innings. And and george was kind of developing into that. Yeah that's that's exactly what it would. It seem like but really fun guys to watch an and i think names that people should kind of keep an eye on now Obviously you are consumed with the big league pitching staff. But i know you keep an eye on what you guys have the miners and you've seen in quite a bit of some of the the top minor leaguers whether it be in big league camp or in the off seasons or in video what do you think that You guys might be looking at with some of the guys who will be up for roster spots next year. Capri million adult and geoffrey. Parker done done she. Some of the relievers like some of the guys that were added to the forty man like wants charles and miguel romero who who we have not seen quite as much of certainly But but what about some of these options that you guys might be looking at good news is we. We got some guys gulf A grant homes Appalled blackburn could district five guys guys that can pitch as starters guys that can pitch you know middle delong relief type guys and possibly you could get some end of the game guys. Wants usually the end of the game guys of got a couple of years of experience before you start making them the closer but Was those guys in the starters. Mix could be. Starters could be relievers. I think it's a. It's a good depth deaf to half and then romero charles to right handers show mid to upper nineties fastballs with good breaking balls that just need to polish off their command. A little bit and You know when you see hitters. You'll understand more more. You know what type of command you really need so complaint spring training get these guys enough action against the better hitters in the world and we'll have to figure it out like command is important. Velocity is great and we all love it but the ability to screw up the ball slowing down To keep your inner self balanced and i always say innings time and pitching disruption of timing. That's key factor. And you don't really know how to do that until you face the best players in the world and and they'll let you know so i think we got a good stable Of guys you know. Parker done she you mentioned as well Bulldog competitor type I i know. We selected Graves today in the rule five. I had him as pitching coordinator years ago. And i'm intrigued to see what he looks like as well so you know it's it's fun to have these guys and all those six year free reagents that we sign. And that's what. I'll start doing now doing my homework and watching even more video about how the guys i don't know As well as the guys. I do go to get a firm grasp on what we got going into spring training. You guys sned three pitchers in the rule five draft including dany jimenez in the Major league portion who was with the giants last year as a rule five player so Potentially a a lot of really interesting options for you to learn and tell us all about Down the line Emmerson i was wondering bomber. Susan lot of strike outs arm. Alana strikeouts Minor minor league yeah And and it looks like he didn't walk mega-guys so we'll such as you have an idea of how to move his baseball around. And like i said you know get in there. Get on our our Analytics and see what he can do. Yeah i just heard for listeners Into nineteen him and his didn't except for a couple of things with the giants him minute in pitch that much in in two thousand twenty with lisa right. Now which is is fun He struck out ninety three fifty nine innings in two thousand nineteen in the minor so Yeah that's that's those are some pretty nice number. She liked that you'd take that so yeah yeah and he. Would you know if the if you guys are going to keep him. That's the only that's the only way he could stay on the roster. Is you have to them on the roster all year so i suspect given the fact that there are a lot of holes potentially to fill in the bullpen that will be seen a lot of danny s scott emerson as always thank you so much for joining us on as plus thanks again to scott emerson for joining us on a plus our producers today where king kaufman and g allen johnson will be back again next week with more as plus thanks for listening.
Midseason Breakdown With Billy Beane
"What will life in the bay area be like in the wake of pandemic and maybe the biggest protest movement in American history were exploring that question in the through line it's a print section every Sunday in the San Francisco Chronicle and online anytime from limited access. Go to. SF. CHRONICLE DOT COM. Slash pod. Hello and welcome as. The San Francisco Chronicle podcast on the Oakland A.'s and Major. League, Baseball I'm your host chronicle as Beretta Susan's lesser. Today. We're delighted to welcome Billy bean he as vice president of baseball operations who will talk to us about the team's first half and being in first place the outlook for the second half and the trade deadline, and as always we somehow managed to bring up the Josh Donaldson. Trade. Did you have any trepidation as things were getting underway here what what your impression spent so far? That's I think you know what I think considering the challenges that we face. I think everyone baseball has done a really good job with getting the season started where almost halfway through I think in particular are guys in particular medical staff have been unbelievable. you know haven't nick and Tony Who's been helping him Tony Open. Help and I think the entire staff is an amazing giant quite frankly the players have to our players I think have. Really been adhered to. Follow the protocol free proud of the way they have reacted this whole thing and a lot of comes from leaders. So I think Marcus who's WHO's out player rapid also been kinda point man for the entire club in their liaison. I by self and David and everybody's been fantastic and so I you know. You know there's there's been a few teams have had some issues but I think under the circumstances I think everything's gone really really well, and I think baseball's responding reacting really well, listen we you know we were drinking from a fire hose in this thing started i. mean you know from Baseball and I guess MLS? You know our seasons for just getting ready to start when this whole pandemic hit. So we literally had to just so many things on the fly. You know we didn't have five six months to prepare like. The NFL did does end. So I'm pretty proud of fact we're. Pretty. Proud of the way our team and our organization has responded so far and and I think baseball's that a really good job under very difficult circumstances wintertime where sat there there's just no way that that that we can pull this off. At. The beginning before we started, you know when we first got the hundred hundred and six page protocol the manual. I. Looked through it and I went. Oh my gosh. How every day is. Be, this is just going to be so much of a burden on the staff on the players and everybody around. But you know everyone's kind of adjusted and if we fall, you know even when the teams on the road I've got the scheduled for testing. I'm I'm going in there telling my wife had run into the stadium to do my testing you know I think. Well, it looked like it was going to be very daunting and almost impossible on paper. I. Think in reality We've been. Doing really good job in pull it off and so far cross my fingers. And It's it's pretty impressive, and again I give credit to baseball for doing what seemed to be impossible and into a particular organization just done an incredible job that you know these are names that you know Susan and asking the public doesn't know. Feel like David Addy, you know even the clubhouse kids you know Mike You Bryant. With Just, the meals now we're serving meals outside because it's safer environment and they've really had to completely do things so much differently than they've ever done in Mussa's case that he's done for forty fifty years you know. So again, I again to answer your question again, I the beginning house. Meanwhile, how were you going to do is I think we've done a great job and I think baseball gets a lot of credit for giving us a template and our guys for carrying it out. Yeah. That's seems about spot on from what I've seen so far. Now, we've seen you a little bit during games kind of spotted you coming out and checking things out what are what are you impressions during the Actual Games with? No fans there and the cutouts in the piped-in sounds and all of that. Well, the other day I think i. saw you Susan I think it was at Saint Dan I heard the fake crowd and it was almost like a real game where I was going to run out to the field to see what happened run TV set. 'cause it. Kinda. Fooled me. You know were like you were all adjusting. It's a little different. It's yeah but it's you know once the game starts I get the same feelings you know and I get the same sort of nervousness in situations. I think the quality of play hasn't been impacted at all I. think like everybody I I said I think how great on a weekend? Yeah. You're. You know you're playing the angels and what should have been like this would be the end of the year that should be you know big crowd in the stands because you know we're saying first place and it should be a great day in our kids famish about this I missed that like everybody else but as far as wants the game starts Mike he'll usually bring my keith album of ring up meal for all of us in the sweet and and we'll. We'll eat that. Get the game going in. And you know we're just it's it's not ideal but but the game I think the quality of the game I think player intensity sometimes. I'll see the players like as you've seen, the players will come off field or throw a ball understands it. Goes to like it looks like it's the go into a real person because those cardboard cutouts dijk me. A little bit but but again I said that the fans aren't ear but I, think the quality of good what this way it's a lot better having baseball the not having it. Yeah. That's that's fair. Darn sure. Yeah. I think one of my favorite things has been watching Matt Chapman trying to dent the cardboard cutouts and he hasn't been able to if he can't I don't think anybody can so. Funny one was like one of our. Guys who works with US Ben Lowry who's really bright. Young Guy who works office you're great guys really funny. He's smart as a whip to he's really street smart I was accused in been cou street smart. And he was stripped he's now he sit in the suite next with Pike Goldschmidt. and. But when pulls was coming up, he was strategically going to last field. Because I think a pool is on. Next home run at six sixty, which is I forget who it ties. which is you know becomes a pretty special ball and I kinda you know I, I do go out there. so He'd be the pulses ball. She kind of asked him. I said so did you plan on doing this for your planning on just handing it over to Albert or was? Any sort of benefit you're going to get and kind of sheepish Noah I'll. I'll just give it to him but I thought it was funny that there's no crowd. So he can just he was running out there to left field because his fools at the homer that was going to be A. Something to somebody, but he was going to give it to fools. He's a great deal. I was pretty pretty smart than witches within surprising then. Yeah I think he's he's one shy of maize I. Think. So yeah, that's That's pretty pretty significant surface smart thinking Ben but. Oh well, you don't see the angels again now. So that's good. Ben. Smart like that. But the situation like that. You know you know you could never do that during the regular season, right? So so I guess that's one of the things that's GONNA at least one Benson yeah. The main storyline coming into this abbreviated season was the fact that your team tends to get off to terrible starts but finished a strong and how would that? Kinda jibe with a season that you can't afford to get off to a bad start but also is starting. In essentially the second half and it's turned out even though the they came out a little bit slowly out of the gate, they really took off would have your impression spent here at essentially the halfway mark. Yeah well, again I was SORTA based on history, but you get you know that history really wasn't nestle, these teams but but certainly last couple years even eighteen and nineteen we didn't exactly start you know right out of the gate. So but I think the awareness helps a lot. I think the other thing that helped us coming into this year we basically have the core of our team come back. So, there wasn't a tremendous amount of changes. So I think that this a little bit I, think, Bob and his staff did a tremendous job. You know listen when this thing started us in Cleveland and I think Theo and Chicago we were really aggressive about shutting down champs right. into the point where I mean I, think you know some of the players weren't happy now we weren't. Allowing access, and mainly it was the safety of all of our employees including our players. Our number one issue. And the fact that we're able to sort of you know I think be very careful and very serve respectful given the pandemic and then come out and be as prepared. I think was again that's a credit to Bob in his staff because you know we kept in touch with Bob and he kept in touch with the email and pitchers. And in their own sort of off off site way, they're able to stay prepared and when we got into Camp I, think that that helps a lot and and so. Y- CHAPA given said we we opened a little later and that wasn't because you know the as wanted to open just because you know we're dealing with different rules in different counties and that's the quickest we could and so you know to get through all that and start like this is good. You know because. You can't afford to get off to a slow start. In a sixty game season this I'm guessing this is certainly think since I've been. The baseball, office by the best we've had since I've been here. That's that's for sure. Yeah I in twenty nine games in the best record in the American League it's. GotTa, be thrilled with that. What have you felt like the team does best besides hit a walk off Grand Slams. Bullpen in fact I think I I won the new rules. I Love I. Love The runner at Second Base I'm sure you do too as far as deadlines are concern to They're just. You know that was just the extra inning games unless you're nate girl with afraid radio under his full once again on all night there just attrition rate on pitchers. Just was never good. I love the start running around second base rule and I think. It's held that we've got had a real good bullpen I mean when you bring in a guy like you know Liam with her second, he can strike guys out. That's huge advantage. I think that I think our Bolton has has helped us in in that respect and our bullpens been what first or second again I think dodgers one, we're number two. and. So I think that that's really really been. It's really helped us a lot and and you know that's even we've lost birch who is really a asset for us early on any gave us multiple innings. It'd be nice to have him but the. Bullpen is is really really. Surprised me but I think he's been advantage for us. Yeah. An bullpens can kind of be a little bit hard to project from year two years we found out probably to the last two years with you guys The fact that Liam has continued really the dominance he showed last year when out of nowhere became an all star closer I I've been asking people recently like is he somebody especially in an abbreviated season where? bullpens are probably more important than they might be over one, sixty two because the pitcher start going is starting pitchers aren't going as deep into games is he somebody that potentially should be considered if he continues on this trajectory considered for postseason honors, Cy Young Mvp things like that the numbers are popping yeah it's a good question I mean yeah normally with relievers yes they have to be so I mean so elite you know. To be considered, I think you know at one year I believe and Willie Hernandez the Tigers. Won It. Didn't he? Thought maybe I'm wrong but but I really just wanted so. Yeah it's But yeah, you make a good point Susan I think that especially with the new rule to going back what I said with a new rule that we have. You know it's you know what are we four or five in an extra inning games is A. Five and And I think and maybe I'm wrong. But everyone loves gangs I believe Liam's pitched in right I believe. So at least. Yeah Go. Yeah. Certainly as most of them and so I think situations like that give greater weight you know in a shortened season to A. A reliever somebody like Liam having a case for cy young definitely So again, it creates a unique. This new rule creates unique opportunity for relievers to show even greater value. I think Lance case that that that's happened this year for us. Having a hand in five wins just extra any games that's that's that's twenty five percent of your wintel right now that's not counting the other ones. He's GonNa part two. Rule Change the three batter minimum went into effect this year too. It seems like it the Front Office did a very nice job when it came to left handed relievers acquiring Tj of far linen and signing Jake Diekmann between the two of them I don't know how superstitious you are but in I, think it's twenty two and two thirds innings so far the two of them combined to allow only one run which is considering that new rule I think even a little more surprising. Yeah and again, the you know it's funny because of the type of pitchers we have in the bullpen. Now, we don't really have that one like pure specialist to face one guy you know you know last year something like that, and because we don't, I don't even notice that rule this year and it was one that I think everyone's a little bit worried about is related to certain guys. But because of their construction of our bullpen and the type of guys went in there like McFarland and he's got. He's he's a guy that can be just as effective against righties and you know be dominating. It's just those ninety, five, ninety, six so. You know we felt comfortable with him facing right as much as last each to so it was by design a little bit. I think most teams in particular one would like to get away from that like one batter guy that's quite a spot to take in your bullpen to have one guy that faces one or two headers. That's just it's tough and in today's world. So So again, the the bullpen was it was by design and It's it's helped a lot to again to the point where I have noticed that three battle rules that. Applies to us? Yeah exactly. It's not even a consideration for you guys really now I was going to ask you about sort of surprises on the team and and had burch Smith not gotten injured his certainly, he might have been at the top of the list. You guys probably aren't surprised by Robbie, Grossman and what he's been doing but while he seems to me like he's really starting to come into his own now he's essentially an almost everyday player. He's still he's still doing a little bit of platooning but in that six spot when he's in there, he's really producing. Yet. Yeah. No, you know it's funny. I thought last year's to some extent. Robbie was kind of taken for granted I mean here was a guy was nominated for gold glove. You know he's very important to us because we're pretty right handed having having left handed bat but. I thought he thought he had a really good solid, your last year and and so for him to do, he's gone out to take it to another level. is is great to see because he he's I. Think he's been sort of Unsung a little bit I don't I don't even think last year you got enough credit. For what he didn't even out, you know even our he hits you know giving these. A thousand. I think he'd buried somewhere in the six spot in behind Lincoln and stuff like that Bob. I think likes to hide him in Split you know have Atalanta split them up with Olsen and stuff like that. But. I'd have cannon between them. Not He's he's he's taken to another level. This year has been good to see. It's well deserved. He just bobby shots. His mouth goes in place and you know he's just a very consistent performer. you know what you're gonNA get and you're you always a great effort is this something Kinda take for granted? How important is about I the last couple of years he had two other guys that seem like they're taking bigger steps all the time and I'm sure you won't be surprised that I mentioned Laureano seems like he keeps getting better although he's been a little bit rusty since he came off his suspension and then Mark Cana who puts together as good in at Bats A- I think we've seen here really, and just every year seems to. Understand himself and what he's trying to do more and more. You know what that's. Fun I I think I saw Bob, you know post game. You might even ask the question of I've. Christ. He's really slows the game down. It does a good job and very calm. You know he's got very every time. He does something he's got a plan. But I was thinking yes pass mark yesterday. It's funny when when Laureano made that what's not worth during the details I happen to be walked down the hall after Orion made that play where you came off of got second. Pass Cana and I started taking I said you know like? This is my third year here and there certainly some transactions I'm not as proud of something. I'm very very proud of, but one I think David truly proud of and doesn't really get you know Cana I mean just he's been such a good player for us. And he's been here a long time i. mean we I. Think we acquired mark in the off season fifteen after the fourteen seasons when we acquired them and December, we've traded for her role five and each year he's had two hip probably missile that one year but he's gotten better and better. Every single year he plays he can play I he can play third in pinch. He plays all three outfield positions and he plays a very more than decent centerfield. To the point where you play him out there every day with no problem and he's just really turned into a really really good player and you know a little bit like Grossman to a very consistent manner and personality that he brings to the park and very workman-like, and it's just a great example and he's a guy like the point you want them up and the big situations because you know he has a plan and they see him get a sacrifice fly yesterday need hip you need exactly what he did and no surprise he came through. He's is really an underrated player not just with us. But I think in the entire league. Yeah. It'll. Oriana. Transaction to is one that at the time went under the radar I've written about it extensively since because it obviously with wound up being so important and was kind of a steal at this point but Yeah. He he seem. You know he was the spark plug really for the first essentially three weeks to a month of the season until his suspension. Yeah. An Ramon. Yeah. Well, the sneaky one and that one was we really want rebound year before and we were lucky to take advantage of Houston having took players for the roster quite frankly. And we caught him at a time when they need rosters face and he was coming off. An injury year in a poor year by his standards and so we just got lucky in a little window. You know weirdly I always like there's always going to be an interview that I always get to bring up. Josh Donaldson what a wonderful trade. I made there. Yeah. I was hoping you bring it up side and have to bring it up every every every time. Yeah. So is it says my own therapy, the more I talk about the So so many would be the same with Josh we acquired Josh. Because then I, let's see. This is my way of reminding everybody that I actually train for once. I. Get to start off with this is really Machiavelli on me just bring it up. Oh, by the way we did strike for but Josh, we love Josh out of the the drafted Auburn and he got. Picked rightful. We're GONNA take him make a long story short. We literally he raked everywhere in the minor leagues except for basically like a two month period. When we got him at your now during the hardened deal was settled. Oh, seven maybe and was that on seventeen and I think that's here. We got him and it was just like this one time Josh's life that he didn't hit three thirty was then, and that's when we got kind laurie on what I. I don't you know Houston's too smart house like we picked their pocket we got lucky that they had to players and and they're you know they needed person spots him so So we're the benefactor ramones great because he brings us. On a people know in you know Susan will normally around the team more but he brings a little bit of a swashbuckler personality. He's really funny and he's got he's got a lot of charisma pillow. That yeah you see when you see play. But when you're around personally to, he's long guys that I really enjoy going back and forth. It's a really really good kid he's funny self and just just Great Avenue team. We'll be back in just a moment with war with. And here's a reminder you can find much more on the Oakland. A.'S AT SF CRIME DOT COM to subscribe Coda SF. Chronicle dot com slash podcast. Does the anticipation of another desk lunch of baby carrots and ranch dressing keep you up at night. Here's a cure extra spicy and new San. Francisco Chronicle podcasts by me. So Leho, the Justin Phillips look I thought I was GONNA go defend ranch wholeheartedly right now. But I see what's happening. I'll chill be cool. Leave it for next time. You'll hear that and more slander every week subscribe to extra spicy now on apple spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. You've got another former astro now one of the few new guys and and the team would he would have fear impressions been of? Tony and what he's been giving you at at second base. Tony Kemp. Tony's been great and I love deals like Tony because the great thing is we have a good team. It's fun to find. Those will small moves that you know we're going to sit perfectly. And in that was the case with Tony. We called pretty early I think called I'M GONNA call I'm not a call field maybe August on Tony. Kemp and You know because you know cubs infield and in you know with some of the guys had over there. And we were able to get him during the winter took us a couple of months ago but you just looking at, you know we're going through saying she just knew he was going to be like a just exactly what we need You know he hit left handed you got on base he played good defense and not only that. It also he still because he plays Tony Positions. He. For instance, we draft a machine. You know it's still gives an opportunity to possibly for machine though he hasn't played by custodians been so good over there especially defensively, and it also still kinda gives opportunity I know hasn't turned out this way, but it's still didn't completely close door Franklin baretto either They're just a guy like Tony. Was Those are fun deals because you just know. His skill sets what he does just really was going to fit our team perfectly and to start the transaction you know early in the conversation at least internally for us and really happened at the end of last summer, we were thinking about it then and to get them and have him turn out to be you know everything we had hoped for and it's great. He's a great guy to know he brings a lot brings personality club and. And just again, even a perfect fit for. Those are fun when with what looks like a little move but you know internally for us, we knew it was a big move and I think I think he's for you know more than we have asked for. Yeah, and again as is considering how right handed have you guys are really really extra important. The again, you did this you brought up Franklin Baretto. So we go back to the Donaldson deal. He's the last guy you guys have from the Donaldson deal and he's barely playing which you see his his future with the team or is he somebody that with the trade deadline coming up but there's always been interested in him out there could you see moving him? Know. It's. It's tough. You know that's You got a town like Franklin but you listen to normal situation but I times I feel bad for the kids because. The best way for young player to really acclimate and become a major league players just to get thrown in there and play every day which you know with us we're balancing. We have a very, very good team and we have you know take a guy like Tony, who's a you know a proven capable major league player and you there's certain things you can count on and Bob can count on and was a guy like you know. The balances is like trying to win today's game and also trying to develop layer in. You know so far FRANKEN's really been caught up through no fault of own on that whole thing and it's tough I mean machine I'll put him in there too I I really like machine a lot to the young kid we took in the rule five but the teams playing. So well, that you know it's hard to just throw the kid in there and. At the risk of you know maybe not winning every single game or or that you know because few games of the season. So some Franklin case was we still think he's he's going to be a great major league player. He deserves the opportunity to play on a regular basis so that he can become that player. We just haven't had that opportunity yet because other guys have shown that better fits on a daily basis. That being said you know anything can happen as it relates to his future. I mean in some sense you Franklin's out of options. So he's either on our major league team somebody else's major league team either you know he finishes out the with us. We do have the trade deadline coming up Let if for some reason we get through this this year and Franklin still with us then we'll get the. Next thing you know and kind of get extends us on the show again I. I feel bad for Kid 'cause he's a great kid. And and staff loves and they love his talent but he just has not in a let's I know personally I certainly think umbrella, but it is really hard to become a major league player when you're batting once every week it's almost impossible. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. the I asked about a lot of teams drinks. Obviously there's there's one probably I would say, even he would say disappointment with Chris Davis he hasn't bounced back the way he had hoped everyone had hoped what what do you see going on with with Chris Certainly, he was not the same last year after the injuries. Ya know it Yeah. I know it's been frustrating for Chris especially you know continue Chris is that is so much pride. You feel you know you just he he wears it when he knows he's not doing well I mean. I've been around guys. You know the twenty three years that you know they'll. They'll sort of make a scene when you know they're not either playing or something right that has not been Chris. Chris. Feels like you know when he's not playing well that. He's letting the team down and and it's on sense. It's a little bit like we talked about with Franklin. Had We one, hundred, sixty, two game season. You know you just kind of let the thing play out and eventually you know hope things get right because you've got plenty of season to play with. With a shortened season. We've had to have a little shorter leash on anybody who's not sort of performing and and you know certainly lately Chris hasn't been in there regularly against right handers Bob, as you can see Bob Still. Likes to give them every opportunity can but again. We. Don't you know he wants to make sure that we focus on today's game because he's game one game i. if you ever look at the plaza fan graphs, it can shift pretty dramatically. We just a couple of wins in a couple of losses and so it again, it's balance between trying to get Chris Right and also recognizing that we need to win every game we can but I know it's it's been frustrating for him frustrating for all of us because we we play the what if game as well as playing out. What if Chris was Chris? You know It shows you how much better we be an that hope is still there. But nobody wants more than Chris and south. We all recognize that yeah, I think it might be he might be in one of those trying too hard situations that you know people ask is it the he stop playing because he made his money of course not a lot of guys start trying too hard situations and that's never good in baseball Noah. Chris. Honestly he is. He's a great teammate is beloved by his teammates and he will yeah I mean yeah. That anyone who would bring the idea that Chris that he's data's not him at all yeah I mean I. A. Player, like I'm sure there has just not Chris Davis let's the FBI Yeah. I think if anything I think he I, think. He feels the burden of not living up to what he knows. He's capable of doing. You know because he's a great team and his teammates autumn and that's why it's harder. You know everyone's all yellow guys. You Know isn't beloved by his teammates you know whatever but that's Chris. That's not the case. Is a beloved character in that clubhouse. He you know you've been around and he's he's quite quite guy in the clubhouse and He's not. You know he doesn't say a lot when he does it's usually pretty important and easy easy personal light and But yeah, we got those forty seven homers again that would make us even that much better when. Yeah. will you you're going into the trade deadline here about a week left before the trade deadline? Are you do you get an impression yet? Even Kanye with the expanded playoffs if if teams are trying to figure out still whether they're in it whether they're out it out of it Will there even be players available to acquire with such a big playoff field? You know you almost aunt you you every everyone your thoughts right there. You hit right ahead. Same thing we. WHO's available? WHO's moving players? WHO's not because? You know there's very few teams that don't have. A? With a few wins aren't right in in. Our. Good friend. Both of our good friends far hunts over there. The giants right now they had a tough weekend when we played them, and then here we are basically week later and there in the playoff spot. So there's a lot of teams that you sort of May look at all while they're not in it. You know they but they think they've got a shot in there a few wins away and that's actually true. And I know a few teams that we've called. Trying to be respectful because when you call on a player The other team you want, you know you don't WanNa, be telling them like, Hey, you're not in it. So we want your players kind of kind of. Very respectful. And there's this very few teams that you can say like there's like you know there's no chance they're going to make it. So you know to your point, you don't know who's going to be available. We certainly have guys that we would think would be good fits for us but there availability is still unknown and I think this is going to be one of those deadlines for all the activity really happens in the last twenty, four hours thirty, six hours. A as opposed to like having you know prayed say happened through the week I I'd be surprised this again this this all that's unique. To this year so we don't really know but I think any trade see will happen pretty much very late in on the last day when. Teams have to decide whether they're going to they ever realistic chance or not. But right now I think most dangerous. Have some SORTA shot come come Sunday Monday. So it's unclear to me how active everyone's going to be you guys tend to target pitching during this time of year when you have a team that's in it I suspect that that is the case again given how good your bullpen is I would. Again kind of posit that maybe it starters that you're mostly looking at. I think either or an. Either or and you know what would be the answer to that but but to be you know to. To answer we I think pigeons are focused right now and that's you know when we look at guys, we think might be available. It's you know it's starter or reliever and so Listen anytime, no matter how good your pitching staff is I don't think there's a team out there during a trade deadline that's in the playoff hunt that. Doesn't always, Hey, we could use another bullpen arm and that would be the case with us. Even our bullpens very good. It'd be nice to have another one and. It would also be nice to have another. You know very, very capable starter because you know you're always one or two starters. You know getting injured from being in big big trouble and this is the one time you can. You can kind of address or creates depth for yourself at minimum if not make a major improvement. So we'll you know I. I would say those are the two spots that we're GONNA be looking at the hardest. How can you even get a sense of what the offseason market is gonNA look like free agent wise fans of course always WanNa know if you can sign some of your own guys long-term say the immediate pressing Guy Mike Marcus Siemian or maybe we talked about Cana who's another local guy who? Is playing well, and might be somebody that you consider, and of course, the mats, the corners you always tied the ballpark into that but with with the pandemic things have kind of slowed down on the BALLPARK's. front I think the the free agent market looks like a very much of an unknown at this point given baseball's finances. Can you even hazard a guess what things might look like in the off season when it comes to things like extensions? Johnson. This question Susan I there's No Coin Coyness Award, but I'm not being coy at all for once it. There's no. To my response. I have no idea. That was just absolute total honesty. All those questions are fair questions and literally have no idea we don't. In some sense. We almost have to ask ourselves what are the rules going to be because you know we start the season you know we have arbitration guys, and what is the criteria for guys in sixty game season going arbitration. Housing arbitrator going to view a guy that said, you know, say play sixty games with us. Soon, that's you know whether that's. A third of the season or you know that would be one, hundred, eighty games almost yeah. A little more into third season housing arbitrator GonNa view that salary as you know. So how do you project their salary? You know you talk about guys like can I talk about Shopping Olsen? Predicting their salaries is a challenge. Now, what their salaries are going to be if you use the arbitration processes a guy not notwithstanding if you signed him. That that impacts? You know how much you're going to have to spend on everything else. So again, going back to what I said, we have no idea mainly 'cause like the rest of the country we don't. You know we're not sure where everything's headed here as it relates to fans as it relates to revenues. I will say this in the exercises were were starting. Now we're going we're going to have to start going through different scenarios. You know right now we're in a scenario where we have no fans buying a sixty game season and obviously ravaged you're taking huge hits and then we have to sort of look at all right. What if there's twenty five percent fan next year? What if there's fifty percent and those are all scenarios we've got to run through to what we think we can spend. because. Again you know you ask a question that's impossible to answer we'd. Each month or seems to be I guess I would say there's a little more optimism as it relates the you know the the word vaccine has been said more in baseball club houses this year than it's ever been said before. You know in the you know the latest word fourth quarter FDA approved vaccine second quarter possibility where you would have you know I guess the term her immunity was a possibility. So if you're looking for food fourth quarter quarter next year, you get some sort at least starting at some book and as to win might return to some normalcy and for us, normalcy is having a lot. Of Fans in the stands and all the BALLPARK's and. We're just trying to predict when that's going to happen and when we can do that and everything else falls into place. So I have no idea Susan. That's. My long short answer in a normal year I would have imagined that maybe semi-in would at least be a candidate for qualifying offer after the season. But who knows what the qualifying offer the qualifying offers should be the same, which is seventeen to eighteen million. But if if the free agent market is completely skewed potentially, he could come back for much less than that. If if things look weird I, don't who know you guys we'll have some interesting decisions. Agreed. Yana. Marks the first that comes to mind and number of guys you know who are who are potentially free agent. So But so yeah, again you know as I. Know, I can't predict were the free agent market. Down I know is it's going to happen right and you know any guy like Marcus who such an important part of our team, not just for on the field but also in the club Ouston and and and when he means, as you said, he's a local guy. So many ways not just a cal guy but grew up here. So yeah again, the the tough thing is we don't have any idea how we answer. That question, our the five, six, right behind and. Right now we just kicked the can down the road hopefully, get more information as to get some idea, the projection of revenues, and that's all going to be dependent on us. You'll fans in the stands to be quite honest. Last. Question here. It's a strange season. We understand that I think people are going to look back and say, I mean there there really are no asterisks in baseball record books I think people look back and go twenty twenty everyone remembers what happened that here do you see a champion coming out of the season being considered a legitimate champion? Ken? Clarke has argued in many ways this year is going to be harder than most seasons for teams to get through and you know should you guys go all the way? How do you think he would be viewed? Well, it'd be Nice a list I hope we get to Hoping to defend that crown verbally you in many ways Yeah. You know what's interesting in a short season like this like we I think we felt like we had a good team coming in and the better the team, the more the more games you want so that you know you want predictability but you don't want us around and Mr Exist with the great thing about baseball's by and large. The best teams usually get the blast no Cinderella's. Fade out. you can't be a Cinderella for a hundred, sixty, two games. So for us, you know the shortened season with a good team was really was is riskier. It's it's you know and. The thing. That's tough is when you get to the. Answer Question I. Again, I don't. We've never had a season like this I don't think any. Champion should feel any less worthy than the previous ones quite frankly it's it's pretty it's a little harder. Because, you take a cup like the dodgers who I happen to personally. Thank you know based on what I've seen. Look like the best team in baseball I think we got one of the best to by the dodgers they're not go there. They're really impressive team and. Their worst nightmares they may have to play a team that's under five hundred in a best of three. And and so. That's really I. Mean again for a great team at your worst, that's you don't want that. You know 'cause you know you can listen you can find. You know listen only put it this way if you're if you're the dodgers facing, say quite guzman the way this out if the plas lined up the way they were against a longtime rival. That's that's a that's a tough match-up. And and so So of a clever I'll use the dodgers example because they're a great team they've been a great team for years for them to get through the gauntlet of plow series that they have to go through in the randomness and if they end up. Going champing, listen what they deserve it just like anybody else. Again, there's more randomness because the shorter playoff series we're gonNA have. So, it's probably an you know this isn't the defend our or anything, but it's likely. It's more likely that the best team won't necessarily win in that scenario that would be when you have a longer plant situation I. Mean it's dynasties are tougher. There's playoff series you gotta get through. And You know that's why you don't have when we used to have just America champion at Ashley Championing, player in the world series. All you know that's you're gonNA get the outcomes. That's a different outcome than having to get through a wildcard game. Best. You know festive five that's that's that's good. Teams don't want that and so So but if you get through the gauntlet of plants here is you have to go through you know what? In some sense it'll be different but I think they're not they're no less worthy of being the champions. Interesting. Well, hopefully, we're having this conversation again in October that would be that'd be a lot of Fun Billy Bean. Thanks thanks as always. Yes. On as plus. Susan of seller makes it through the length of this podcast. Congratulations. Way Too much isn't it goes. Yes. Thanks for having me Susan, and we'll cross our fingers. Southgate thanks billy. Our thanks again to billy bean for joining us on plus producer today was king. 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