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"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"Two thousand fourteen nevada ranch standoff saying government lawyers had suppressed evidence the cattle outside of bunkerville nevada continue to graze on public land despite more than one million in unpaid fees bundy kept a low profile back in idaho where he managed rental properties and restored vintage vehicles with his children but the pandemic and resistance to the government telling people what to do set the stage for his return to activism. I love you can't keep a good activist down. You know once you've once you've stood up for freedom you don't ever want to cower again. Yeah once you've told the state no you want to keep telling it. No that's right. These government bureaucrats think that they should just be able to keep their jobs separate from their home lives. They think that we should respect the idea that they should have privacy and their family lives in their personal homes and so on that they're off duty after five o'clock in the afternoon i will allow that if they're laws will stop going into effect when they're at home right when they're like. Oh no. i'm not the governor. Now i'm just chilling with my family. Now okay then you're laws. Don't apply right now. Yeah as soon as they stop arresting people in their homes as soon as they stop ruining people's lives by arresting peaceful people for not harming others than i will respect them. Leave him alone in their home. Stand near people's homes just when they get a piece of paper from themselves saying that it's okay correct. Yeah man in a robe writes a piece of paper and then men with guns come in and ruin people's lives shoot. Dogs shoot innocent peaceful people into cribs. They shoot cats. I just look that up since you're here or are they basically cats to what possible threat is a cat to a human being well. They've shot caged dogs before. So i mean what possible threat could that have been. I'm not any more. The more this discussion goes on so people's rights continued to expand establishing hundreds of chapters that bundy organized with the aim of.
"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"Just on it with some really interesting twitter posts and this whole double masking thing is truly truly like religious zealotry. Yeah i had to stop at this one. Just share it with people on the eb as per some experts recommendations doesn't even know why she's putting onto masses just because quote. Some expert told her to truly truly sad. But that's not really what we're talking about here to know. i'm. I'm sure we'll get into it at some point. I want to get back to the bundy story. Because i find that far more encouraging for the future of freedom than do these idiots putting onto mass for some reason. I well somebody else did it. So they're going to do it too. Yeah someone some authorities said so so okay But anyway the ammon bundy. I did check by the way we interviewed ryan bundy which is one of the brothers of and bundy's so in the past this was in two thousand fourteen after the wildlife that was before the wildlife refuge situation. But after the cliven bundy oka standoff. Sony listeners Just tuning in ammon is the son of cliven bundy. And he's the guy who led the wild wildlife refuge Situation in two thousand sixteen. Where a. I a couple dozen people this federal property and it was in the middle of wintertime. So it wasn't like they took over an active like occupied site. It was shut down for the winner. Okay and they took that over. And then according to the story here at the los angeles times the oregon ranchers are sorry. The so bundy led this group in two thousand sixteen. That sees the headquarters of the malheur refuge. Bundy was arrested during a traffic. Stop outside of the refuge and eventually tried on weapons and conspiracy charges a militant who fled. The stop was shot and killed that. That man had a name. I forget what it was Offhand just referring to him as a militant By the way the man who fled the stop was not a danger to anyone. He did not shoot at anyone but the cops murdered him right there. They're running away. That's correct in a startling verdict. In october of two thousand sixteen bundy and other defendants were acquitted by jurors who found the federal prosecutors had failed to make their case. Wow yeah it was an amazing verdict. A series of verdicts more than one is. There's some documentary about this. Because it's good question. I don't know The families aura of invincibility only grew a judge declared a mistrial in a criminal conspiracy case against bundy his brother ryan who interviewed and their father for the two thousand fourteen nevada ranch standoff saying government lawyers had suppressed evidence the cattle outside of bunkerville nevada continue to graze on public land despite more than one million in unpaid fees. Bundy kept a low profile. Back in idaho where he managed rental properties and restored vintage vehicles with his children the pandemic and resistance to the government telling people what to do set the stage for his return to activism. I love it. You can't keep a good activist down nope you know. Once you've once you've stood up for freedom you don't ever want to cower again. Yeah once you've told the state no you want to keep telling it no. That's right in march because that is what freedom ultimately is is the freedom to say no and be respected in your choice because we can say no and they'll put you in jail cell. But in his case he actually was able to say no and they didn't put him in a jail cell because on juries actually backed him up which is amazing So in march he gathered several dozen supporters in a warehouse that he owns in idaho in his first public act. The group defied republican governor brad. Little stay at home directive and held an easter service for about sixty people now by the way at the same time we were doing. some public. Acts here in new hampshire and we have not gotten the same media coverage now to be fair. We didn't have as many people. Didn't we go to an easter service. Actually you and. I don't know if it was easter but we did go to a church service. I don't remember when it was. It was too late in the year to be easter. but we did nightcap. So when the governor here in new hampshire chris. New created his so-called stay at home order. We went out the same night the the very night it went into effect. That's correct we went out. We were literally there a minute. After it went into effect like at the exact same time we were out partying with open containers in central square. And we did it for thirty six weeks in a row and only recently stopped because it's like seven degrees and centuries of snow everywhere right now. Presumably when it's warmer will reap. Hopefully we won't have to return. But i'm sure nightcap will return if only because it was a good time was a damn good. I went to a new fund. That's right just one. Was it just the one. I just went. Well you'll have to come back to more. Because i suspect there will be a demand to bring it back This year so anyway. I went and held a church service. Which can people are being told not to do this in the same month. Police arrested sarah brady and anti vaccine activists for allegedly trespassing during an anti lockdown protests at a playground closed due to corona virus restrictions. That's we've had something similar happen here. lady in Concord was arrested not at the playground but later on several months later for taking her kids to a playground. That was closed. Why did they arrest her several months later. And what did they arrest her for. I don't recall. i think it was disorderly. Okay i think her name is rochelle. She actually was at our new year's eve party. Oh as a matter of fact she was the one wearing. The tide is shirt and she was doing some dancing. So bundy publicized. The address of the officer who arrested ms brady and let about forty people to outside of his home a tactic. The governor called disgusting. But i fully support. They picked up this lady at her home. That's right the one we're talking about anyway. These government bureaucrats think that they should just be able to keep their jobs separate from their home lives. They think that we should respect the idea that they should have privacy and their family lives in their personal homes and so on and so that their off duty after five o'clock in the afternoon i will allow that if their laws will stop going into effect when they're at home right when they're like. Oh no. I'm not the governor now. I'm just chilling with my found. Now okay then. Your laws don't apply right now. As soon as they stop arresting people in their homes as soon as they stop reporting people's lives by arresting peaceful people for not harming others than i will respect them and leave them alone in their homes and their people's homes just when they get a piece of paper from themselves saying that it's okay direct. Yeah man and aerob- writes a piece of paper and then men with guns come in and ruin people's lives shoot dogs shoot innocent peaceful people into cribs. They shoot cat scientists. Look that up since you're here. Are they basically cats to you. What possible threat is a cat to a human being well. They've shot caged dogs before. So i mean what possible threat because that have been. I'm not making any more than the more this discussion goes on. So people's rights continued to expand establishing hundreds of chapters that bundy organized with the aim of being able to dispatch ten protesters to a scene in ten minutes. One hundred in one hundred minutes in two thousand and one thousand minutes instructed each chapter to launch teams to train in secret for paramilitary operations to defend members from criminals or government agents. Or do i repeat myself. That line was not in the la times but anyway going on in july he led demonstrators to a public building in idaho in town called caldwell where they tried to barge into a meeting of officials who were discussing whether to impose a local mask mandate. This is not your building. Bundy shouted s. He's shoved demand guarding the doorway. The meeting was cancelled though. The health board eventually decided to recommend wearing masks in public the next month he and some supporters forced their way past state troopers into an idaho. State house gallery that was closed. Because of the pandemic how do they. That doesn't sound like reality. How do you force yourself past state troopers without getting arrested. Well police did arrest him twice in two days. Finally wheeling him out of the building in an office chair charged with trespassing and obstructing officers he was banned from the capitol for year. In november people's rights members carrying tiki torches gathered in front of the boise mayor. Lauren mcleans house to protest. The virus health restrictions. Many of their roughly thirty demonstrators were not wearing masks and several shouted opposition to a city call for residents to report businesses violating pandemic risk regulations. One woman yelled snitching. Get stitches love. It sounds like he's doing good work. Yeah there's more you want it. Absolutely what do you think about the bundy's it sounds to me like they're they're doing the right. I support it. I haven't seen anything here. That i i disagree with it so far so far just about everything i've seen from mormon activism has been just awesome. True they're also behind the gold back horns that was one of the activists things. I was thinking about six zero three two three sixty sixty s the call. Line that six zero three two eight three six one six zero. This.
"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on Go West, Young Podcast
"It began not at me. National wildlife refuge. My experience began. I'm one of the worst times of my tenure as secretary of the interior in that was standoff in bunkerville nevada when the blm was attempting to round up cliven bundy because he had been grazing illegally on federal lands and not paying any grazing fees for over twenty years. And i can't tell you how many ranchers have come to me. And said he does not represent us so the ranchers i mean so the the blm went to round up the cattle and cliven bundy and his sons basically called out the militias. That were now familiar with and a hat. Standoff that if we had not backed down which was really not popular decision with our own law enforcement people but if we had not backed down. I feared that we would have had tremendous bloodshed on the order of ruby ridge. Idaho from years ago waco texas because they're itching for a fight and to have that circumstance result in very few consequences the followed by the me national wildlife refuge takeover which who thinks you can just take over a federal property for forty four days and it's okay and yet. The laws are weak in terms of punishments. Certainly i think they're. In retrospect there were errors made in the prosecution of that case but it emboldened these groups and until we a dish out the consequences that they deserve for this kind of activity. We are just emboldening. A group of well armed ideologically extreme people That will continue to provide a domestic terrorism problem until they are brought to justice And hopefully given an opportunity to learn about the error in the assumptions that they're making so this is a very very risky time for the united states. What we all witnessed on january. Sixth is just a small taste of what this group i think is interested. Frankly in dishing out. You mentioned ruby ridge and waco and obviously the shadow of those incidents loomed large over over both bunkerville and malaya. How do you balance then. That fear of triggering more bloodshed versus The lack of consequences leading to these folks being more emboldened. How'd you swing that pendulum. Back so there are consequences without just saying open. Fire them all well. One of the things that happened right after maller was resolved and frankly the fbi made a judgment that the best thing to do was to wait. These guys out was to not go in and give them the satisfaction of a firefight but the weight amount and you know others who are more familiar with. This can decide whether that was a smart idea or not. There was not bloodshed. And i deeply appreciate that. There was the incident with In a person that has become a martyr..
"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on KQED Radio
"I just wanted to mention that it really began in the 19 seventies. It's not really a result of the Trump Administration or any kind of trump movement. It's primarily due to the fact that the people of Northern California feel like they're not well represented by the state and generally kept in poverty. That's all I've got A picnic coming over. Yeah, thanks very much right. Appreciate that. I believe you're alluding to the state of Jefferson movement, which many of those rural counties Is in some of the counties in southern Oregon as well have been talking about for many, many years as long as I can remember and let me just ask you a C. What do you know about how loosely connected or how well organized the state of Jefferson folks are No, I think it's it's pretty pretty loose, and I think to your caller's 0.1 of the things that's interesting is it's kind of gained a new energy and a new life in the trump era, as more of these sort of right wing movements have been energized by Trump. And it's an idea that's around the country. You know, there are people on the East Coast who want to have a movement where the rural parts of Virginia seceded from the rest of the state. So it's out there. I want to bring in another guest. Now on, it's Carl Segar strum. He is assistant editor. High Country News, Carl, Welcome to the program. Scott and Girl maybe just pick up on what they see was talking about there. To the extent that you can this state of Jefferson movement and you know some of the anti government actions we've seen. In Oregon, for example. Yeah, I think one thing that's really important to realize about these movements is they have been gaining steam in organizing, um, during the Trump administration, but they've also kind of changed their target during the Trump administration, because Of a sense that they have been represented by the federal government, and Trump has kind of courted his movements, so there's been a renewed focus on local and state level efforts. That are, at times anti government and in times moving to replace the role of government. And in terms of you know, like the Bundy family, For example, up in Oregon, they were sentenced for some of their actions on federal land. I believe President Trump Hardened them. How active are they? And how do they fit in with all this? But to be clear the Bundy family was never sentenced for anything. They were acquitted of for both federal standards of federal agents in Bunkerville, Nevada, and at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon, just to clarify where they were. They was that like a conviction that was overturned or where they at the trial level, where they acquitted. Yeah. The bunnies were acquitted at the trial level twice. Um, but the Hammonds were ranchers who are from that area of Oregon, where the Mount your wildlife standoff. Refuge, Occupation and standoff was And during the Trump administration, they were pardoned by President Trump. They were serving mandatory minimum sentences for setting fire to federal public lands. Their cause is what drew the Bundys who are not from Oregon. From Nevada, and some of them reside in Idaho to Oregon. And so fair to say that by the pardoning them speaking to their grievances the president has, you know, sort of accelerated and accentuated what their complaints are. Absolutely. It's definitely lead credence to it. Z put the force of the federal government kind of behind their claims about how they've been wronged by federal land managers. And leaders within sort of that's fear that's broadly called the sage brush rebellion had were actually put him in. A man who identifies himself as the city's fresh rebel was actually put in charge of the Bureau of Land Management, so you can kind of see that there's a clear nodding to that. That world view and that view of how publicly and should be managed within federal government talking. Excuse me. We're talking about extremism in the West with a C. Thompson from Propublica and Carl Sagan's term assistant editor of High Country News. We'd love to hear from you Give us a call it 866733 67 86 against 8667336786. Or you could get in touch on Twitter and Facebook. Where at KQED Forum. Here's some listener comments. Noel asks. How about the extremists in our police departments? A. See? What do you What can you tell us about that? I know there were at least two Capitol police officers who have been suspended. For apparently being sympathetic to some of the insurrectionists last week. You know, that's definitely a concern. I think what we've seen over the recent years monitoring this social media, police officers and military officers and enlistees is that oftentimes there is A certain sympathy for various extremist movements, and a couple of years ago. We saw a lot of that with the white supremacist movement in the last couple of years. What we've seen more of is sympathy with anti government extremist movements like the boogaloo movements and the militias. And we interviewed Rep. Andre Carson from Indiana just recently at the Capitol, and he said, Yeah, that's a concern of mine that there are police officers on this Capitol Police force who's seen, he said. Quote to sympathize and empathize with these radical elements who besieged the capital on. You know, we're seeing well, you know, For many years we've seen incidents and a lot of people say, Well, they're bad apples. You know, individual police officers with in San Francisco, for example, racist and sexist, homophobic texts that have gone back and forth between officers. To what extent do you think a see That uh, would happen with, say, George Floyd and the others who were killed at the hands of police is really Is it generating a kind of self reflection? Or is it more just sort of talk? I think you get both. I think you get police officers and police leaders who are very thoughtful and had are really concerned about The Deterioration of relationships between communities of color and police forces, and it's that's something I've heard from police leaders who I think are absolutely sincere in absolutely thoughtful, but I also think it's a radicalizing moment for a lot of rank and file, so we had months of protests where people were in the streets, saying We hate the police. We want to kill. Police were angry at police. Whatever it is defund the police. There are a lot of different messages and if you are a rank and file police officer, it's easy to understand how you might feel that you are under siege and that you are being targeted at this moment. So I think you know, you see a mix. You see people who feel like, Well, I empathize with with some of these groups that are on the right and I really don't like these three elements. Anti fascist groups..
"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on The How-To Heretic
"No active Mormons will always point out at this point that the United Order was fully voluntary and families under duress to participate. This is bullshit Jan yeah yeah. Brigham young was known for many things but issuing suggestions was not one of them more not really known for voluntary. Do It don't. So. From Eighteen, seventy, four, forward, two hundred or so communities implemented some form of the United Order and every single one of them would eventually fail most with only within only a few years. The town of Orrville. In Central Utah which was founded specifically to practice the United Order gave up on it and eighteen, thousand five. One. Of the names name didn't change. I looked up orrville online and at the two thousand, ten, census, fifty, five residents. Yeah tiny. It's tiny if you drive south on eighty nine to Vegas, you drive right through it. one of the last towns to continue the practice was ironically Bunkerville Nevada. If that name rings a bell. It's because it is the hometown of one cliven Bundy. Right? We talked about backing episode Communist. Super Big Fan of a socialist ideas. Yeah exactly. He's famous only for his disdain of centralized government and the specter of socialism. So, there's that. Now. I'm not going to get into the political differences between socialism and communism except to say that most of the experiments under the United Order tended much closer to communism with property and goods being owned by an undemocratic preoccupied with the equality of outcomes. So. This is not the form of socialism that we would find compatible with democratic societies today. These experiments failed for the same reasons that the Soviet system failed in the nineteen eighty s corruption and mismanagement widespread, and so distrust and resentment eventually led the these communities to give on the United Order even though it contradicted. Brigham wishes so. Not a common thing. Yeah. Yeah. But the fact remains that from its inception to right before being granted statehood the Mormon Church was at least trying to be a communist collective. If that seems somewhat incongruous with with the Mormon. Church has become. That's because it is. The fact that an organization only all the way. But only completely totally yes. Yeah. The fact that an organization that would make Adam Smith. was founded on principles that would make Karl Marx. Proud is not lost on modern mormonism. As, churches desperately tried attempted to be accepted in modern society. This history has proven problematic especially since the main political bogeyman of the twentieth century was communism..
"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on The Lead with Jake Tapper
"And I think what happened over time. It was getting harder and harder and I'm not talking about the policy issues. Even impeachment necessarily it was when you attack people using the power of the presidency to attack individuals so viciously personally over time. That is just not the Christians will accept as good behavior and I think that loss of that that he didn't grow into the office he kind of doubled down on what got him there. And I think that's what you're seeing in. That article is some confusion some disappointment. And some of these folks. And maybe maybe we need to rethink this. It's not that he you can't get over this but I do think it's a crash that they're going to have to pay attention to coming up. A republican state rep accused of domestic terrorism. The trump like defense. He's using as he refuses refuses to resign in our national lead. If impeachment wasn't enough to convince you how divisive and undivided politics has become a Washington state. Republican lawmaker is accused of domestic terrorism as CNN. Sarah signer reports. He's refusing to resign and he's using President President Trump's impeachment tactics as his defense thank you. Mr Speaker seeks to put this to vote of the people stunning finding this Washington. Washington State Republican lawmaker facing accusations of domestic terrorism against the country. He swore to serve. That's according to an investigation commission by the Washington State Legislature Article One is adopted and the state rep is using president trump's impeachment as part of his defense the state has now forwarded the report against State House Representative Match Shay to the FBI and US attorney the five month long pro bounds shape participated in an act of domestic terrorism against against the United States engaged in and supported the training of youth and young adults to fight a holy war and advocated the replacement of democracy with theocracy and the killing of all males. Who Do not agree? The investigation also cited Shays engagements with the Bundy family anti-government activists who call for armed resistance in the takeover of federal lands. The report lists Shays militant actions across three states in two thousand fourteen in Bunkerville Nevada. In two thousand fifteen in Priest River Idaho and in January twenty sixteen in Burns Oregon Shea engage with militia members in the planning of an armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Wildlife Refuge. That incident ended with federal and state law enforcement moving into remove armed militia members and ultimately killing militia member Robert Lavar finicky after a police chase last night shade defended himself in a statement on facebook saying in part like we are seeing with our president. This is a sham investigation. Gatien he added. I will not back down I will not give in. I will not resign so house. Republican leadership has suspended representative additive Shea from the Caucus and removes his ranking position on a key committee the Republicans saying and noting that investigators mentioned that he didn't respond onto their request for an interview for their report. He also did not return. CNN's calls Brianna. Sarah thank you so much for that report and be sure to tune in the Sunday morning for state of the Union. The guests twenty twenty Democratic presidential candidate. Senator Amy Klobuchar Republican Senator Roy Blunt and Democratic Senator Dick Durbin that is at nine. Am and twelve PM Eastern on Sunday and our coverage on CNN continues right now so you can still send an amazing gift. This holiday season with Omaha steaks. They'll get delicious tender stakes to share remember and love and you'll get the satisfaction action of knowing you sent a special holiday gift if you act right now. podcast listeners can get the favored gift package for just sixty nine ninety nine go to Omaha on stakes DOT COM and type the lead in the search bar. You're happy friends and family will open their door and find a cooler packed. With deliciously tender filet mignon stakes aches plus premium meats sides and desert. They'll be excited when it arrives and think of you. Every time they prepare and enjoy their meals Omaha. steaks is a fifth generation. honoration American family owned company. That's been handcrafting. Incredible state gifts for one hundred two years and every package is unconditionally. Guaranteed so you can send this gift with complete confidence when you order right now with this exclusive offer. You'll get four Omaha. steaks burgers added your gift for free. That's sixteen main courses. Plus sides in desert. Christmas delivery options are still available. But don't delay order your Omaha. steaks favored gift package for. Just sixty ninety nine by typing the lead in the search bar at Omaha steaks DOT com today..
"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Cliven grazing his caroline publicly and for a long time but he had paid his bills at twenty a years so basically two thousand fourteen the government says all right we're gonNA come take the cows payment Repossession well cliven takes to the we need your help sort of miraculous event where people show up from all over the country I mean I'm talking New Hampshire errors Zona Nevada Oregon I mean there are People Montana that come there to protect this rancher in what they see as a show of tyrannical forced the government so what ended up happening is that the bureau and management agents there the into the cows found themselves surrounded on all sides by people that were heavily armed I'm Jacob Schultz and this is the law fair podcast October Twelfth Two Thousand Nineteen at his rally in Minneapolis earlier this week president trump received voluntary security from an unexpected source the oath keepers a far right militia associated with the white supremacy movement nor is this the first time that the trump administration has crossed paths with such groups which become more active in recent years to learn more about these groups l'affaire senior editor Scott are Anderson recently sat down with journalists Leah's Tilly who's the host of the podcast Bundy Ville which does a deep dive on America's far right militia movement together they discuss these groups origins and ideologies and what they can teach us about homegrown radicalization in in modern day America it's the law fair podcast episode four sixty Leah's Sicily on Bundy Ville and American radicalism Cillian. Let's start our conversation where I think your intersection with this sort of issue instead of issues started and that's within man name in Kevin Harper. Let me play clip here for you from episode seven of season two Bundy bill breaking news from ally for the FBI confirms Stevens County man has been arrested in connection with a bomb placed in downtown spokane on Martin Luther King Junior Day it was a cold winter morning the day of the Martin Luther King Junior read the march was planned to go right through the center of the city a man named Kevin Harper a white supremacist from Stevens County Washington plan ended a backpack bomb on the parade route near Metro Bench in a brick wall across the street from my favorite bookstore city workers saw that backpack in called it in it was filled with wires and it smelled awful Kennedy and of course we now know that Kevin Harper left is bombed here at main in Washington he intended a US a black powder explosion to spray all those people in that parade with a rain of these lead fishing weights inside was a six inch long pipe bomb packed with fishing weights coated in rat poison and human feces this is going to take out windows it's potentially going to damage cars anybody who's a pedestrian in the immediate vicinity is probably going to be injured and maybe even killed in the days fishing weights would have torn through the marchers like giant shotgun blast harp amid gun as far as to quotas projectiles with rat poison in the hopes the shrapnel would cause uncontrolled bleeding in its victims so this is pretty horrible attempted attack took place just outside your front door real I think you mentioned later in the episode that please tip kind of cut off your your entrance an exit the building and obviously pretty dramatic introduction and intersection between the subject of American extremism and your own life tell us a little bit about what we know about Kevin Harper and the path that led him to this intersection with your life as a journalist in spokane at the time not working police issues sure yeah what's known about Kevin Hart Bone is a lot of what's been reported by predominantly by spokane media the spokesman Review you in particular but what they found was that Kevin Harper them with someone who had been interested in white supremacist ideologies and in in a lot of the things that fuel the white supremacist movement he was also a guy that not a lot of people knew he didn't have a lot of friends he lived in a rural area of a very rural county in northeastern Washington and He was well liked by the people who did know him so so a lot of what was known about Harper was kind of what we hear a lot about a lot of mass shooters and and things that you know oh he was such a nice guy or he was you know someone and I I knew who he was but I I don't know that I ever talked to him that sort of thing so when everything started to come out it started to look like this was Ah ah bombing that was motivated by the White Supremacist ideology that he believed and and in court that came out to these were he was motivated do bomb that parade because of what he believed about people of Color so that yeah that intersected in my own life and that I woke up one day and wasn't able to go out the front door of my apartment building and I worked weirdly I sorta existed on this one city block in uh-huh Spokane Washington where I lived across the street from the newspaper that I worked at I worked at the the inland or the alternative weekly there and I was a music order in arts reporter primarily I'd gone to school for Journalism it sort of had a passion for you know punk music and heavy metal and that's what I wrote about it at the time so so I watched as the other reporters in my newsroom worked on this story and and it was a big deal when I learned by sort of our own bridge was this was something that had been going on in that area for a really long time and I always knew about it but the sense that you get when you live in that area for a long time with it went away when the area nations went away I think harping bombing as evidence that it didn't go away and that it's still stills air so you now of several years after the two thousand eleven incident have produced this podcast that does this incredible deep dive into the sort of ecology of social institutions and movements in ideology that is motivating a lot of these sorts of incidents not ax we see recently and a big part of that story is one of radicalization of this socialization of individuals into the Geology that leads to a war certainly too many of us seem pretty extreme violent horrible behavior but there are also other types of radicalization other types of indoctrination take place and you spend a lot of time really both in both seasons of Bonneville but particularly with this new focus in the second season talking about one of the main figure I in this process of indoctrination and that is someone named La Voie Finnigan let me play another clip for you from episode three season two Bundy Ville were you talk a little bit about Lavoix and the role that he has come to play in the lot of these right wing movements I've seen Voi- finchem die and die and die I can log onto youtube right now and watch then spliced paused and dissected by people who never knew him seconds later he dropped the ground and as the top see shows from the corner he was shot three times want those people to have again and again watched his pickup crash. The driver's door fly open in Philly Com hops out as a yells to the police. You're going to have to shoot me then three Bullets Bang Bang thank dead kill back it up played again his words sound like a nervous mantra started again they come across like an unfinished sentence are they the start to a threat promise I always think I'll hear some new intonation some missed revelation but finicky I'm always dies the same three POPs doesn't jump or Yelp just crumble also body tencent alive one second have you sack of bone strapped to the ground for eternity the next puppet without a hand gravity stronger than spirit death on repeat took finicky is known for now later in this episode you'd describe finicky him as a martyr made at the speed of the Internet he goes from this background of pretty standard history somebody with a pretty maybe standard set of some successes a number of disappointments in an adult life and then goes to have this really exceptional ending to his life and then even more exceptional afterlife that plays into this broader system of again ideologies that are moving was behavior let's start with the man himself gives a little background about Lavoix Finna come and his life before he began himself down on this path that ended in his death in two thousand six damn sure so we're gonNA come Robert Voy Finnigan is his full name. He was a rancher from air northern Arizona and the first time you sort of comes onto the scene is during the twenty sixteen occupation of the Malaya National Wildlife Refuge when Ammon Bundy and his the Ryen Bundy led an armed occupation of federal property there in South Eastern Oregon Vinnicombe shows up and pretty quickly the Bundy's doing these press conferences every day where telling people what the heck is going on and why they're even there in the first place and Finicky is often they're speaking to reporters he's an interesting guy I mean immediately I I was interested in who he was and what his story was when he was at the refuge which is really when the story caught my interest because he was just so mild mannered and so so so easy to talk to reporters were having these great long interviews it's with him and kind of these philosophical conversations so Finnigan is actually one of the only ranchers that showed up to this you know quote unquote ranchers protested the refuge and he he first became involved with the Patriot movement apparently during the Bundy ranch standoff in twenty fourteen so so what I did with this season of Bonneville was I wanted to get like a definitive life story of WHO Finna come was has really everything I repent started in like twenty fourteen and and that was only the last two years of his life and so I wanted to know on the Navajo reservation and he always wanted to be a cowboy and he couldn't quite make that dream of being cowboy work he lived all over the West he was married several times he had a bunch of kids twelve total and then he became a foster parent when he arrived on the scene of the Patriot movement as I like to say in two thousand sixteen he was known around North Northern Arizona as this mild mannered decent rancher who raised a lot of foster kids so soon he was sort of an outlier I think for this movement in that he it wasn't in a militia and he hadn't been rallying against the government for a long time like Cliven Bundy ad he was just this sort of perfect person in the end for the movement and even in the season one when I sat down with Cliven Bundy and his son Ryan Bundy they talked about how lavoix really was the perfect spokesman for their movement because he was so likable by people on every part of the spectrum so like you say like you you played in that clip you know I real down into why the heck he got involved in this in the first place so you mentioned two things that I wanted flesh out here for our listeners I'm not familiar with them one of those is the Patriot movement itself and then you mentioned the Bundy's a thousand fourteen incident and Bunkerville that got involved in this Patriot movement gives us more back a little bit of short background on that and then Lee leading up to levels involvement what was he stepping into when he showed up in two thousand fourteen okay so I the Patriot movement has been around a really long time it's it's people who oftentimes are in militias there maybe against paying their taxes they have pretty strong wrong ideas about the government and there have been multiple in big instances in the Patriot movement history where they clashed very publicly with the government and often violent and bloody wave one of those in particular is nineteen ninety-two Ruby Ridge standoff in in northern Idaho where a man and his family were living really remote area of Idaho and he failed to show up to court in so US marshals came out to bring him to court and what ensued was this long standoff that resulted in many people dying both members of the Weaver family and in particular one was a child eld and also us marshals so that's a moment in time I think that really exemplifies a lot of what the Patriot movement believes that that another big kind of re Ridge esque events play out in Bunkerville Nevada that's down in the you know very southern part of me that it's about ninety miles away from Las Vegas a rural area but not the most rural area that you can go to in the West but it's weird cliven bundy his lived much of his life and he is a cattle rancher there and he's one of the last if not be less cattle rancher in Clark County Nevada and for the of twenty years he has not paid his bills to the federal government so when you ranch in the West or around the.
"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on Behind the Bastards
"It. Just try saying alexa good morning. Alexa good morning and alexa and chelsea handler will take care of the rest. Oh one more thing before we go if you one more chelsea handler and who doesn't make sure to check out her podcast life will be the death of me on iheartradio. We're back so if you just opened. An enormous bag of chips made a tremendous amount of noise yeah. It was so loud really really unprofessional so southie excited to see what i throw next speaking of professional. We're back. Oh oh yeah robert lecturing about professionalism. I'm i'm a consummate. Professional hasn't throw anything yet yeah except for those has beco- started throwing bagels and they brought me no joy now because i've just moved past that but not past throwing never moved past pass through so <hes> when we last louis beam he had tried to literally paint <hes> deng xiaoping red and gotten the shit punched out of him by a security guard that that will be the most emotionally satisfying beat of this story. The rest is just frustrated. Okay so right around the same time he was attacking in japan ping with paint. <hes> louis beam began to operate a paramilitary training camp in oklahoma. I call camp. Polar white supremacists would gather there to train in combined arms arms techniques and prepare for it to fight a civil war against communist blacks and jews attendees with military experience. We're encouraged to wear their medals and insignia over there clan fatigues so i found an interesting article from u._p._i. <hes> in november of nineteen eighty that covered this camp and little kerfuffle it ran into legally when it kind of <hes> brought a bunch of boy scouts over quote a ku klux klansmen who says he is prepared to do battle against communists and homosexuals instructs explorer scouts and civil civil air patrol cadets and guerrilla warfare techniques at a paramilitary camp newspaper reports the post which has not been fully chartered by the boy scouts of america is run by robert johnson day of deer park who denies he is a clan member and louis bima pasadena grand dragon of the texas k._k. I'm proud to be a member of the clan said bogert a former marine from the port texas as we said he had been a member for two years there only two groups. I'll do battle with communists and homosexuals. That's the basic reason i joined the clan. Wow yeah wow what a what a man the grand dragon what just a simple paramilitary training camp teaching boy scouts. It's not clean campus. It's just run by the grand dragon of the clan in another random guy unbelievable just again the article notes that the concerns about the camp we're initially sparked when parents have explorer scouts and civil air patrol cadets complain that they're fifteen and nineteen year old sons we're learning guerrilla warfare techniques and racial slurs from leaders camp. Oh oh fair concerns as a parent. I usually think parents are being too sensitive about stuff like this share but not this year yeah soft these days but yeah kids are still too soft but maybe it's bad for the k._k._k. To teach them how to fight a war had eh guy the other guys not with the k._k._k. Jack so. I guess that's fine yeah both sides. That's why all of us kids our pussies because we didn't grow up ben talking like it. You get it yeah. How can you did so. There's anything to edit out. It's that no no no no no cinema verite katie. That's what this is <hes> so <hes> yeah it was the parents complained a civil air patrol major paul renfro who invested gated camp stated to the newspaper quote. There was nothing boy scout about it. There were on maneuvers that were firing unloading using live ammunition and the parents were very upset because they were told nothing about this. These guys misled the scouts outs so camp. Polar was shut down after this is resolved controversy but not forever no yeah now can't pull came together again during a very different time in the u._s. So the fact that a lot of these guys were active duty u._s. Servicemembers was not a problem is also so consequently at time and what's weapon theft and smuggling of military great armaments like rocket launchers civilian militias and terrorist groups was incredibly common also might be tied hi together those two things so in two thousand eighteen as i write this episode. The state of oregon is currently ground zero for a resurgent militia movement you you can trace the start of our most recent band troubles back to the standoff at the bundy compound. Bunkerville nevada was led the occupation of the malheur wildlife refuge in oregon a number of the men who were involved in that are currently helping being state level republican legislators in idaho or when i wrote this they've come back after getting their way because threaten people with violence yeah yeah so even from that brief summary. It should be obvious groups like this work. They don't have the numbers to enforce their will democratically but they do have guns which which they used to threaten people with horrible violence to get what they want their gambling on the fact that nobody else will deploy violence against them because for some weird reason those people would be seen as having started started it yeah so we're all all is angry angry yeah anti-democratic yeah yeah but it's fine for them now. If they were puerto rican would not be okay which is why the puerto rican group that attacked the capital with guns got wiped out and i think executed <hes> <hes> was bad for them but <hes> cool to do it yeah. If you're in the seventies or eighties there was an attack by a puerto rican terrorist group. I should've looked this up before bringing it up but yeah now we'll circle round circle around the they got heavily punished yeah <hes> but but not that's how much this some part and they do so when these people are not confronted and forced to face as consequences for breaking the law they continue to push which is what we've seen with all the guys involved in the bundy standoff suv now continued to push local laws and stuff <hes> in oregon oregon and it's what we saw with louis beam in the early nineteen eighties he and his fellow klansman had not punish for greensboro they hadn't really been punished for camp fuller in so beam started looking for more opportunities for he and his men to enforce their own rule of law in places where they felt the government wouldn't have the guts to stand up to them. Greensboro obviously had been proof positive of how well this would work so being looked south from camp polar and he saw the town see drift texas. He thought it was another place where he and his comrades people to exercise their will enforce the cowardly state to flee before them now see drift was crabbing town with a population of about a thousand people live there had been recently disrupted by the arrival of roughly one hundred vietnamese refugees overnight cedric want from a very homogeneous culture where everybody spoke english to a town where only ninety percent of the people spoke english. It's going to cause some problems for for them. Yeah yeah so that on its own might not have been an issue but the vietnamese families proved to be extremely good at fishing for crabs they work together and large collaborative fish groups and work more efficiently ineffectively than the native crabbers of cedric's. That's going to be a proud to think capitalism capitalism. They'd be rewarded for this. Yeah nope in august nineteen seventy-nine. There is dispute over the distance between two sets of crab crab traps. A fight ensued and a white cracker was shot dead. Two vietnamese crabbers were acquitted for the shooting on self defence grounds so what happened next will sound very familiar. <hes> rumors began to percolate the vietnamese refugees were being funded on sketchy government welfare checks smuggled gold at vietnam before they'd fled several of the men in sea drift gift were vietnam veterans and the scars of war hardened their hatred to their new neighbours which was ironic because the vietnamese refugees who settled in sea drift did so because they'd sided with the americans and worked with the south south vietnamese government and it had to flee the country when the communists took over her sure way more costing communism at them it really ironic fortunate yet communicate well another thing that i didn't know about <hes> yeah yeah. Nobody talks about good name for a crab in town is a good name for it is absolutely it. Oh yeah you could see like the movie starting. I'm imagining what's his name. The guy who you played sheriff brody and jaws who's in seaquest to incredibly naive roy scheider. I'm imagining roy scheider sheriff of this little town yeah okay. I can accept that i wish roy scheider was still alive so they can make a make a sequel to know. Ah what you for this movie yeah not seaquest. We got enough seaquest. He had a cameo movie called sea drift crabbing tone. You know what what we we could have we could have we could have the the the big boat in seaquest comes with that dolphin that spoilers seacrest shows up saves the day that is not what happens so in one thousand nine hundred the first of these new immigrants to see drift or in their american citizenship this provoked a paroxysm of rage three vietnamese boats and one mobile home where firebombed there were beatings one man pulled a gun on vietnamese fishermen walking across the deck and shot him in the leg louis beam and his clan waded into this mess with glee and consummate expertise they started putting out reams of propaganda newsletters magazines calling the vietnamese refugees boat people and accusing adding them of being riddled with tuberculosis and malaria clan propaganda also sought to stoke fears that the new immigrants would sexually assault local white women yeah don't fears the clan even named their activities in sea drift operation him line a reference to the modest decent white women that were supposedly protecting in one interview with reporter clansmen and nc drifts said galveston bay is just like a fine woman if you raper. She's never good anymore. The clan off no comment also. How do you rape obey. Yeah i mean actually charles coke could answer that question about about this bay because he's largely responsible for ruining galveston bay. He's had his way with quote. He's had his way with galveston. Galveston bay and it's no good anymore that old see song do oh you know the way to galveston bay. No it doesn't work. It doesn't work. It doesn't work because we're i'm angry that we got hi. Uh i'm gonna do it through it. Towards the box of pringles wait wait the assistant. I knew that what happened. There was a real problem. It rained the pringles. It rained pringles box exactly what you wanted. They'll win in everywhere so very little digital containers of pringles. They're not like individual pringle ships everywhere that i would ask you know what i love is how satisfying theft on a podcast <hes> they might have to take pictures of it pictures of it. She shake your head now. She's ashamed as she should be anyway. Urging it on january tenth nineteen eighty-one anyone. The vietnamese owns shrimping vessel trudy was lit on fire in it's dock the next night and other vietnamese shrimping boat was burned. Local police reported seeing four white males in klan robes starting the fire. What wait was there was their fifth person. Nope nope <hes> all right. Yes probably the clan. Would it be a basketball team. We're if i wasn't in the clan and texas longhorn yeah so this would prove to be but a prelude in february of nineteen eighty-one the texas k. held a massive clan really and santa fe texas drawing three or four hundred armed paramilitaries as master of ceremonies. Louis beam burned a small rowboat load named the u._s._s. viet cong. He told the gathered clansmen to pay attention to his technique because he was illustrating the proper way to destroy by arson sure this was illegal because reasons didn't he decried the theft of the job security of real americans immigrants and promised that if the vietnamese fishermen and see drifted flea by may fifteenth the k._k._k. Hey would quote take matters into its own hands. In march road clansman started carrying out armed patrols of the galveston bay wielding assault rifles and displaying an effigy effigy of a lynch vietnamese person on the rigging of their boat..
"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on Words Matter
"Eventually the <hes> the terror axa. We've seen yes so whenever media organizations <hes> take a strong stance against certain issues and start raising the rhetoric on these types of issues. You're always risking pushing those on the outer fringes ges <hes> who are on the brink of acting off the edge to the point where they conduct acts of violence so words do matter <hes> from our politicians from the media <hes> and then you have even more extreme <hes> forms of media like alex jones info wars and shortwave radio programs that get people spun spun up and more agitated with the rhetoric and the tone that they take. It's one thing to watch fox news and if you're wack may bang my head against the wall and say it's making people crazy but it sounds like you're saying that this actually does help mobilise these groups and mobilize them in a way that they take action. Yes so we saw <hes> <hes> couple of incidents in the past year. Two were extremists were mobilized into taking a stand against a government. I'm referring to the bundy ranch standoff off and bunkerville nevada as well as the mao here wildlife refuge takeover the way the media conservative media kind of handled that as they try to talk about these people people being patriotic and doing the right thing and taking a stand against the government but in reality you're emboldened these people by reporting the news in that way <hes> these people all pointed guns at federal law enforcement officers <hes> they took over a federal facility for over a month destroyed some of the federal facility so rather rather than painting these groups as patriotic and standing up to the government. They need to be called out for what they are. They're radicals their extreme <hes> some of them turn into terrorist. I <hes> these ideologies <hes> that these groups belong to <hes> make calls for violence and provide the targets for these radicals to go after one of of the more interesting things in reading your work is the difficulty in combating domestic terrorism is not the traditional terrorist cells that can be disrupted upped but you know what you call the lone wolf problem. Can you talk a little bit about that. Yes so back in the eighties. These terrorist groups here in america were successfully infiltrated by law enforcement and a lot of their activities in groups were disrupted and people arrested <hes> so in lieu of that <hes> <hes> the domestic extremists have adopted this leaderless resistance strategy. It's actually based on an essay written by prominent white supremacists who was a vietnam veteran taran who studied the art of warfare wrote the essay called leaderless resistance which calls for people to self train to identify targets gets within your community not to talk about what your plans are not affiliate with groups because there's the risk of informants and agent provocateurs tour's within the groups themselves and so you operate and stealth in secret and you secretly plan and plot and prepare for your attack <hes> so this as you can imagine poses a unique problem for law enforcement because it's very difficult to identify and prevent these people from in carrying out their attacks on the other hand <hes> because you don't have a professional training camp or some professional bombmaker teaching the bombmaking skills a lot a lot of these terrorists capabilities are less sophisticated so you don't get the sensational type of tax that you would see from an isis or al qaeda cell so that's it's kind of how they operate. Those are the tactics that they use. They do it deliberately so that they could avoid law enforcement detection so it's clear from the way your report was buried and your your congressional testimony in the lack of action <hes> that we're not doing enough if we made you king for a day <hes> what do we need to do. What what steps does our government government needs to take. I take this threat seriously and then to combat it. There's so much that we can be doing. We're so far behind the curve <hes> trying to catch up with this threat. That's had ten years to grow and into fester <hes> it all starts with recognizing <hes> these acts of violence as terrorism and with that comes the ability to start tracking it and gathering statistics and then you can gauge whether it's growing or whether it's <hes> decreasing and at that point <hes> if you decide that it's increasing and getting worse we can devote resources and money towards the problem <hes> as far as where route focused. My efforts is going to be multifaceted from the federal level you need more agents and analysts devoted to investigating and assessing this threat <hes> <hes> are countering violent extremism program that we have in place currently is exclusively focused on countering radical islamic extremists <hes> that program needs to be the expanded to have an equal balance between both non-islamic and islamic extremists <hes> training these to be improved and increased for for our state and local law enforcement officers analysts that are on the front lines of dealing with these extremist groups from the community level. <hes> people need to get involved. <hes> <hes> they've got friends family members or relatives that are embracing these extremist beliefs <hes> rather than isolate them and ostracize them. We need to embrace race these people and bring them back into the mainstream society and give them a cause to live four politely challenge and humorously challenged some of these extremist beliefs jason you know try to rationally explain how their poisonous to the mind in that there is something that <hes> is not welcome in today's modern society so there's a lot the things we could do. It's got to be a top down approach as well as a bottom up approach so we're in reading your report from two thousand you anticipated the election of a republican publican donald trump in two thousand sixteen to tamp down a right wing extremism of it's not quite what happened known we can. Thank the heated political. Go rhetoric of the two thousand sixteen campaign for the continued rise in heightened activity of these groups <hes> this current administration needs to understand and that when you mainstream extremist ideas such as building border walls in banning muslims to travel the united states and mass deportation of immigrants grunts these were extremist ideas that i read about ten or fifteen years ago on white nationalist websites <hes> now they're being endorsed as policy by administration astray shen also retweeting messages from conspiracy sites about muslims an extremist sites again. It's giving a green light to these extremists is that they have somebody in the presidency that tacitly supports their belief system and their movements and turning a blind eye to what they're doing and and so they're looking at that as a license to misbehave and to conduct acts of violence when i was reading your report and you talked about the root causes beyond beyond just hatred of change patriot of african americans and you started digging into economic anxiety to <hes> immigration anti free trade agreements to me read like the trump campaign seemed to be built <hes> and the foundation of it was this white nationalist this philosophy that you had studied in the nineties and through two thousand twelve at least yeah definitely catered to the extremist message and created a support base you recently told a columnist for the new york times that <hes> what surprised you with trump <hes> or with a republican winning was it it increased and you talked about what trump has done is added fuel to the fire. How's he done that. He does that through <hes> demonizing using and dehumanizing his opponents. Whether it's the democrats <hes> whether it's the media calling it fake news weather. It's immigrants coming into the country calling them invaders or an invasion likening people to rodents calling third world countries crap whole countries. This is all the tone in rhetoric of bigotry and hatred <hes> kinda stirs up the radicals <hes> to the point where they start looking at these people as targets you said mainstreaming ideas i think about it <hes> along the same lines as normalizing <hes> right wing extremist views <hes> and giving a green light to domestic terrorists to move ahead where they didn't feel like they had that before i i think of it from a political point of view but you have the expertise. Do you think that president trump has normalized this behavior and has that been a trigger for for some of these domestic attacks. Yes he's allowed this environment to persist as well as become more pervasive when he uses that rhetoric that i've talked about <hes> when we had charlottesville and other attacks he tries to minimize the threat he tries to s- <hes> say that the far or left and the far-right pose an equal thread or try to say that there's good people in these rallies and protests again. These are all things that it kind of <hes> emboldened these extremists and give them a permissive environment to operate. I wanna read something that you wrote in your congressional testimony in two thousand in twelve <hes> and then just pose a question to you you wrote i often describe extremist ideology and by law enforcement training as a.
"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on Reveal
"In february at a truck stop outside salt lake city utah lisa tilly and ryan has of the podcast bundy have come to guy in bill keyboard. Keebler blur has been involved with the patriot movement since the bundy's first standoff with the federal government in bunkerville nevada. He says he ran security there afterwards he he started his own militia fifty seven year old william keebler is known by the f._b._i. As a commander of a citizen militia group called the patriots defense force in june of two thousand sixteen that would he hit the button to designate what he thought was a bomb to destroy a building owned by the bureau of land management but it turns out the bomb was a fake komo undercover f._b._i. Agents had given him the device. He pled guilty to the attempted bombing and served time in jail. Now he's out on probation. Leeann ryan pick up the story at that restaurant and salt lake smokes and coffee real quick. They'll keep learn looks like a shriveling old ranch chand. He's got leathery skin. Smoker's cough says he beat cancer once and has had four heart procedures two thousand thirteen and i had a massive heart attack and had to go in for mercy open heart surgery. We're at a denny's tucked into the corner of the truckstop for most most of his working years. Keebler was a horse wrangler and hunting guide with his own company. We ease into the conversation. Ryan and i are just trying to get a feel for who we're talking to what we can and can't ask but it turns out gablers a storyteller and he's happy to talk all about his past. He's got stories from his time. I'm in the army bravo. Infantry went to a lotta specialized training fort bend when germany i'll l. ended there and i think one of the friday saturday morning i woke up on russian communist. Russian border says he also knows his way around computers. Do i used to do costa taster trish. They can't break and they still have nothing. I mean good anyway even says he has a black belt in kung fu fhu studied numerous black belt in four different styles. He says he created his own system of kung fu. You can tell keebler likes to think of himself as a kind of elderly rambo your own and i should be clear. I wasn't able to verify most of his stories but i also wasn't in utah taught to figure out whether he got third place in the kung fu world championships. I wanted to know what happened with the f._b._i. But i that meant convincing him that we weren't f._b._i. Agents raid to talk to people like you. I'm gonna be honestly it would surprise me. Both david pulled out..
"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on Reveal
"From the center for investigative reporting m._p._r. X. is real. I'm l. Let this month to to mass. Shootings happened within hours of each other over. Thirty people were killed. Afterwards people asked familiar question. How could this be happening reading today. We're going to be tackling that question by looking at how a group of people with extremist ideas embraced violence to get their way and how their beliefs leafs spread and in some ways become more dangerous. The story takes us back to january two thousand sixteen. The sun is shining in the sky but the air is frigid in a small oregon town man in a cowboy hat and a thick winter flannel climbs up a snow bank at the edge of a grocery store parking lot and calls out to a crowd of his supporters. I'm asking you to follow me and go to the merrier national wildlife refuge and we're gonna make a harsh stand. That's ammon bundy. He's short speech on that snow. Bank kicked off a six week armed standoff with the federal government in a remote bird sanctuary in the middle of winter. It's crucial social. They you understand what's going on here. What this issue is truly about. It's about our federal government taking over private property. This is bundy's second armed standoff. He and his supporters believed that the federal government has no right to public lands and should turn them over to the states amens father cliven cliven bundy had for decades us public land to graze his cattle but refused to pay the federal fees in twenty fourteen. The federal government came to collect elect and that ended in the first armed standoff with the bundys at their ranch in bunkerville nevada. We take you back to the standoffs because they lead directly to our story today. How anti-government groups and individuals surface to support the bundy's didn't go away when the bundy's did instead over over the past few years people within those groups have become more emboldened and willing to use violence to get what they want today. We're teaming up with the podcast has bundy ville produced by oregon public broadcasting and long rates to see how the violence that started with the bundys has spread bonnevilles hosts. Lisa tilly joins me now now. Elliot hey has gone so before we get to season to remind us what happened to the bundy's after those two standoffs came to an end both of those ended ended with these trials that a lot of critics would say the government botched so with the nevada case. They ended in a mistrial in oregon. They ended in acquittals for for the bundy brothers and their co-defendants so what's motivating the bundy's. How did they get to the point of the first standoff. I think to understand the bundy family family you kind of have to understand that where they come from. There's a real kind of anti-government sentiment that a lot of people share you can look to <hes> when the mormons came west in eighteen hundreds <hes> part of the reason they did that was to get away from the federal government but then the government came to them and sort of started this idea that a lot of mormons in that area feel that they were persecuted for their religion by the government so all of this kind of led to cliven and bundy's standing off with the government in two thousand fourteen saliha how those religious beliefs cut of drive this this confrontation with the federal government the bundy's hold a pretty specific set of fringe religious beliefs that a lot of mormons would not agree with and in fact the mainstream mormon church in salt lake city wouldn't agree with so so my reporting led me to this thing called the white horse prophecy which is basically this kind of urban legend among mormon communities that that that some people believe joseph smith the prophet of the church told <hes> early mormons that they would settle in the rocky mountains and that one day the u._s..
"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on Bundyville: The Remnant
"A few minutes into the interview. What I'm really wondering is how did the F._B._I.? Decide to focus on this guy is this old man in poor health really the most dangerous person Patriot movement. If you skip over the special forces training the computer hacking and martial arts inventing the verifiable part of Bill Keebler story starts in two thousand fourteen when he spent about two weeks and Bunkerville Nevada <hes> cliven Bundy's ranch the family in some militias were facing off with the bureau of land management because the Bundy's hadn't paid their grazing fees and the be Elim had come to collect their cattle. The fact that Keebler was there was later later used by government prosecutors in court as evidence of his extremism back then Keebler says he was a member of the oath keepers a.
"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on It Could Happen Here
"To hit live moving targets. Now, stick all this together. And what do you have it? Sure looks like you have all the ingredients you'd need if you wanted to cook up one ask kicker of an insurgency in if the second American civil war kicks off in rural areas, I can almost guarantee you it will start with a massive new push for national gun control. Kamala Harris, easily one of the primary front running democratic candidates in the current bevy of candidates in twenty twenty is outspoken about her desire to ban all semiautomatic firearms. This would ban the vast majority of America's civilian owned guns literally making tens of millions of people into criminals overnight. The only weapons left legal would be revolvers, shotguns, and bolt action hunting rifles, which are ironically, the very weapons outside of bolt action weapons most likely to be used in violent crime in the immediate wake of President Trump's decision to Claire a state of emergency over the border conservative. Trumpers like Rick Wilson took to Twitter to warn not that Trump might seize power that setting this precedent would inevitably lead to Democrats declaring a state of emergency of their own over gun violence. Once they were back in the Oval Office on January eighth during the CNN appearance. Parkland shooting survivor, David Hogg said this quote, if we really want to start talking about the national emergency like the president likes to talk about forty thousand Americans dying annually from gun violence is a pretty damn good one to start with. Last year. The Atlantic published an article by Elizabeth quitting evaluating the extent of the president's emergency powers in February two thousand nineteen Pacific. Standard magazine applied that to the possibility of national emergency over guns, quote, the legal infrastructure to Levy an emergency declaration, Gordon writes exists, thanks to the presidential emergency action. Documents developed by the Eisenhower administration designed to address such extralegal actions as declarations of martial law and the suppression of habeas corpus these documents could potentially extend to encompass outright firearms confiscations, given the scope of a national crisis now back during Hurricane Katrina, the New Orleans police department ordered evacuating citizens to hand over their firearms to the police superintendent Edwin p compass the third later declared a blanket confiscation of all firearms in the city, saying only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons at the time. A federal court issued a restraining order to stop the weapons confiscation. So they did not go through all the way but weapons were confiscated. And of course, that was a very different time with a Republican president and a few hundred fewer mass shootings in recent memory. President Harris's semiautomatic weapons ban would have to be followed by mass confiscation. Tens of millions of gun owners will not hand over their weapons willingly. There are literally more privately owned firearms than people in the United States and half of those guns are owned by just three percent of gun owners. I'm going to give you one guess as to which part of the country. Most of those gun owners live earlier this year, Washington state passed a new set of gun control regulations. The restrictions are fairly mild compared to Kamala Harris is proposition in the new law is popular with the states liberal majority. Fifty nine percent of Washingtonian supported it. But most of those people most of those supporters live in urban areas like Seattle in conservative rural and suburban Washington people are pissed sixteen sheriffs have so far declared that they will not enforce the new law. Here's the Wall Street Journal quote. Sheriff Tom Jones of grant county. Also in eastern Washington is one of a number of sheriffs who have said that they would wait for the courts to rule before telling the deputies to enforce the new law. I swore an oath to defend our citizens and their constitutionally protected rights said Mr. Jones whose county voted against the gun control measure by more than two to one. I do not believe the popular vote over rules that. Now, there are hundreds of thousands of heavily armed Americans right now who see armed resistance to the state is something aspirational as a dream most of these guys, and they are mostly guys don't have any real combat training. A lot of them are probably just lar- ping playacting. But the Bundy standoff was proof that even Laras with a shitload of AR fifteen can scare the federal government in the face of a major gun ban. How many rural communities, and how many states would say fuck you to a democratic president the yellow vest movement kicked off as a suburban and rural movement in France a revolt from the more conservative sections of that country society against a liberal president and his policies. I'm going to quote from the New York Times here, the movement originated in may when a woman in Priscilla lit up scape, who has an internet cosmetics, business and lives in the suburbs. Southeast of Paris launched an internet petition calling for a drop in gas prices. She broke down the price into its components, noting the taxes made up more than half the cost in France per liter lead-free gas was one point four one euros on Sunday or about six. Per gallon. The petition went mostly unnoticed until October. When Eric druid a truck driver from the same area as mislead OSI ran across it and circulated it. Among his Facebook friends. Newspapers began writing out the petition in the number of signatures skyrocketed from an initial seven hundred to two hundred thousand now the yellow vest movement in France is not a purely conservative thing within France itself. It's actually much more divided than that. But I think it provides a good look at how inactive is movement can launch amongst older and more conservative segments of a modern society. I also think rising gas prices could very well be another generator of rural rage here in America people who live in the country spend more on gas because they have to drive further distances. There is a good chance that any green new deal style plan to slow global warming introduced by a democratic administration would include a gas tax rural areas, grow our food in a very real way that keep the city's alive and the people who live in those places. No, it just to say air traffic controllers in stewardesses had the power to. The government shutdown by threatening air travel. Rural Americans have something they too can hold captive in their case. It's the food supply. This would of course require a great deal of organization list of demands and political figureheads to speak for the movement to lend it a shape and a sense of purpose. And I can guarantee you that Joey Gibson the founder of patriot prayer would at least try to be one of them. Joey is one of the leading figures in the right wing activist movement that's arisen since the two thousand sixteen election along with the proud, boys. Joey and patriot prayer have spent the last two years brawling against antifa with fists and flagpoles, but they have also held numerous armed marches and full body armor carrying rifles Gibson lives in Vancouver, Washington. Most members of his gang come from either suburban or rural areas around Portland, Oregon, if you watch hours and hours of their footage marches and video rants like I have you'll regularly. Hear these people describe their constant bloody rallies in Portland as something of a crusade Christian. Holy warriors. Descending into a decadent left-wing city to purge of sin in the last episode. I played several clips of Alex Jones calling for a new civil war against the left. Joey Gibson just happens to be a regular guest on Infowars last. Member he joined the show to talk about Washington's new gun control laws. It's out of control. And I've seen the videos on your site. You should plugs. No place. People can find these. We're gonna put some of these ten full wars dot com. You're getting crowds of hundreds and hundreds of people in small towns counties coming out, and they are really pissed about this. They're really upset. We had almost three hundred people and county with ten thousand people in it. And they're extremely concerned a really upset. They're sick and tired of Seattle telling them what they can or cannot do the people just they just want to be free. They want to be left alone. And so I think this is the key in states like Washington and Oregon the keys to go around to all the counties that believe in the constitution, which is about ninety percent of the counties in Washington state, our conservative now, I've met Joey he's not a brilliant man or a likely pick for a right wing revolutionary warlord. He would try, but for my money, a likelier pick for rural insurrectionist warlord would be someone like Ryan Bundy you've seen Ryan on the news a few times, especially if you kept up with the Bundy standoff back in two thousand fourteen he's one of the sons of cliven Bundy the old racist rancher who masterminded that standoff with the bureau of land management in bunkerville, Nevada. Ryan is the one with the facial deformity? This has led a lot of people online to treat him as if he is a big dummy dummy because big. Guitry knows no political bounds. But Ryan Bundy is not dumb. He was probably the driving force behind the two thousand sixteen occupation of the malheur wildlife refuge, Ryan spent months jail over that. But he defended himself against the court and won some of this was due to the serious mistakes made by the prosecution, but a lot of it came down to Ryan's, personal charisma. His ability to sway a jury of his peers to believe in the righteousness of his 'cause right now Ryan is running for governor of Nevada. He's probably a long shot candidate. But it doesn't really matter. Dozens upon dozens of heavily armed men and women were willing to gather and put their lives on the line for his family twice. There is a weird religious crusade angle to what the bundy's have been doing based on a fringe Mormon prophesy, the fantastic podcast Bundy Ville, which I heartily recommend goes into more detail on this. But the short of it is they believed that they've been chosen by God to defend the constitution, or at least, they're interpret. Station of the constitution. This is the kind of nut bar stuff that I think a lot of liberals are prone to laugh about I don't find anything funny about the bundy's to people have already been radicalized into killing by their rhetoric in June of two thousand fourteen Jared and Amanda Miller fresh from taking part in the standoff at Bundy ranch drove into Las Vegas and walked into a cici's pizza with a small arsenal. They opened fire on two officers sitting in eating lunch killing both as they started shooting the couple allegedly yelled. This is the start of a revolution. One dead. Officer was covered in Gadsden flag. Another was covered in the Nazi flag. Jared and Amanda killed one more person a random bystander before dying in a gunfight with police now, the millers had a lot of other radicalizing factors behind the rampage than just the Bundy standoff, but it wasn't important step in their journey. The voice finicky is probably a better example of a man who died explicitly for the bundy's. He was shot. Reaching for a gun after being stopped with Ryan and his brother Aiman during the her occupation in June of two thousand sixteen William Keebler, a Utah militia leader in close adherent of the bundy's was arrested and charged for trying to detonate homemade bombs at a Beal am building in Arizona. So that's three distinct cases and four individual people who have been radicalized into violent deadly action by the rhetoric and beliefs of the Bundy clan in a situation where order starts to break down even more in rural America and extremist groups begin to tear at the fabric of our society. You can bet the bundy's will not just sit back and watch. So far, the Bundy family have mostly agitated around land rights, and what they depict as the struggle of American ranchers against a tarantula government. But they and their supporters are also huge backers of the second amendment if they were to organize even violently in defense of the right to bear arms. I think you would see them receive a lot of support from even mainstream console. -servative? Tucker Carlson is one of the most popular conservatives in modern America. Here's a clip from a December fourth two thousand seventeen episode of his show during an interview with a gun control advocate. The fact is we need to have guns, and we need to talk about banning entire classes of especially dangerous firearms like assault weapons. And I think we have to talk about not just banning them. But requiring the people allow the government to buy them back. Universal gun confiscations which are talking about universal confiscation. You're sitting a class of firearms would be any rifle with a capacity of more than one above a certain caliber. I mean, I don't know what the criteria are that you're suggesting, but basically any gun they would use for deer hunting would be banned. I would make a distinction between long guns. That are technically say my automatic the kind like my dad uses hunt and semiautomatic assault weapons that you have to go donors one hundred major meaningless distinctions, but let's get to the meat of it. What do you do to people who own sell them back? I think you think you at a bare minimum sort of find them severely for it and build an incentive for them to any for the civil war that would and take people's guns. I'm serious now. I can't think of any Americans I personally despise more than Tucker Carlson. But I don't think he's wrong about that. And if large chunks of rule America declared their resistance to the federal government, the state would not have a lot of options for stopping them both rural and urban America have seen declines. And the number of police officers in recent years, but the rural parts of this country are the only place where that drop in cops has led to a surge in crime, so rural Americans who grow most of our food feel increasingly isolated from the majority of the United States. They are already dealing with a significant breakdown of civil order, and oh, yeah. They just happen to have most of America's three hundred something million privately owned firearms. Will either?
"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on 99 Percent Invisible
"I'm doing a special live event that I'm really excited about. If I had to choose, but gun to my head, I say my favorite band of all time was Java from Washington DC. Even though I spent most of my life going up in the south and central Ohio. It was the DC punk rock scene that spoke to me. I never quite latched onto the punk nihilism of New Yorker LA, but DC had all the anger and action of those scenes mixed with fierce independence and social responsibility, and also really creative music. It was the creative force and informed everything I've made since then, including this podcast and radio topa Bill Bo was a guitarist ajar box, and he Cohen in India recommended. But now he's the president and co, founder of a design firm called three spot. We're committed to helping those who are committed to helping others, and we're going to have a live onstage interview about punk rock independence, creativity, and mission, and making quality work that matters join me and Bill plus special musical guest. I can't tell you who they are yet, but they make me very, very happy. I'm so excited for this fray special one of a kind live event hosted by the DC chapter of the day on Friday, September. Fourteenth at six pm at the Howard theatre in Washington DC go to DC dot g dot ORG for tickets. I really hope to see you there. It's like worth traveling to. So he's going to be that good. Thanks. This is ninety. Nine percent invisible. I'm Roman Mars. Most of the American west is owned by the federal government about eighty five percent of Nevada sixty one percent of Alaska and fifty three percent of Oregon. The list goes on and there have always been questions about how this immense swath of land should be used. Should we allow ranchers to graze cattle or should the western land be a place where wild animals can roam free and be protected, or is it land? We wanna reserve for recreation as you can imagine, there's no consensus on the answers to those questions, but there are a lot of strong feelings and over the years, those strong feelings have sometimes bubbled up to the surface and manifested in protests and even violence in two thousand sixteen a group of armed militants occupied malheur national wildlife refuge in western Oregon. There were led by cattle rancher by the name of Ammon Bundy the son of cliven Bundy preps you heard about it, but never really understood exactly what it was all about. Well, today we bring you a story from. Long reads in Oregon public broadcasting reported by Lisa Tilly, and it's the first in a series they put together that looks deeply into the fascinating and even sometimes wonky details of how the American west is managed, where the bundy's are so angry about it and the religious ideology that undergirds their fight against the federal government. It's an amazing series that spins a good yarn but also resonates with so many aspects of current US. Politics is also about land management, which is really exciting. From personally this episode, one of Bundy Ville. Here's Lisa Tilley. By his own account, Nevada, rancher cliven Bundy never wanted to start a war with the federal government. He says that if they just left them alone out here in the desert, none of this would have ever started. And if you want to see him as the folksy hero of a modern day western, you can choose to see him that way. Here's a good starting point. It's a random YouTube video, and it shows a blonde haired little boy toddler. He's wearing dusty, red polo shirt, blue jeans. He lays stunned in the dirt having just been knocked down and he's considering whether or not he wants to cry. He'll be up. Oh, makes broke. Boy shakes off his cowboy hat wearing grandpa and putters away. Zoll about raising Cowboys. He's tough. See out is he got run over by a horse and he's out there going all ready, nothing to it. He says, toddler looks back at his grandpa. He points to the west and the camera follows patch of bright green grass comes into view against the Nevada desert. It's the color of life. It stands out in place for everything else looks dead. This is Orlando. This land is a free land. This land is a place that we can enjoy and use. That's cliven Bundy as he'd like to be seen peaceful farmer home studying on one hundred sixty acre ranch near bunkerville, Nevada. But in two thousand fourteen just a few weeks after this video was shot on the same piece of land cliven Bundy and his sons were anything but peaceful. They'd raised a militia that was pointing guns at federal agents, what the bundy's called a tarantula government. Here he is onstage in bunkerville whipping the crowd into a frenzy demanding that the local sheriff bulldoze the buildings and the nearby national park so that the surrounding community might have free reign of land. Geico bait you. He says, you get the county equipment out there and tear those things down this morning. The sheriff just stands quietly on stage. He's guys thumbs hitched in his belt, the mob heckles in.
"bunkerville nevada" Discussed on Outside Podcast
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I can remember exactly where I was when I heard that militia members had taken over malheur national wildlife refuge in Oregon where I live. I was in New York for wedding, and I was going to be home anytime soon. And so I kind of watch what happened and skim the news. But this was the work of the Bundy family. And I had read about their standoff with the federal government in two thousand fourteen in Nevada. And so I had the sense of here we go again, I know this story. Well, for the last few months of doing some editing and production work on a podcast series about the Bundy family for long reads dot com, and it's staggering how deeply I did not know that story and what it would become no one did not even the bundy's. Really, the story of the bundy's is a major chapter in the evolution of the American west because they took on the federal government in one twice and the consequences of those victories have led us to the present moment. Right now, the Trump administration is testing. The antiquities act Trinite shrink, national monuments created by President Obama, something no administration has ever done before. In fact, there's almost an anti public land's movement gaining momentum in the administration right now, and that's going to affect everyone who uses the back country. But in order to understand what's going on and how we got here, you have to understand the bundy's who they are, where they came from, what they're doing to the American west. For the last two years reporter Leah's Attila has been trying to figure that out. She wrote a four part print series for long rates, and then my co producer Robbie cover, and I've been helping long reads in Oregon public broadcasting, create a seven part podcast series called Bundy Ville, which launches today all seven episodes. If you like, this show you're gonna like Bundy Ville. So we're gonna play the first episode in the series here you can find the rest by searching Bundy Ville and your podcast app. Here's Leah. By his own account, Nevada, rancher cliven Bundy never wanted to start a war with the federal government. He says that if they just left them alone out here in the desert, none of this would've ever started. And if you want to see him as the folksy hero of a modern day western, you can choose to see him that way. Here's a good starting point. It's a random YouTube video, and it shows a blonde haired little boy toddler. He's wearing dusty, red polo shirt, blue jeans. He lays stunned in the dirt, having just been knocked down niece considering whether or not he wants to cry. Oh, makes broke. Boys shakes off his cowboy hat wearing grandpa, putters away. Zola 'bout raising Cowboys. He's tough. See out w is run over by harshness out there going already nothing to it. He says the toddler looks back at his grandpa. He points to the west and the camera follows patch of bright green grass comes into view against the Nevada desert. It's the color of life. It stands out in place, but everything else looks dead. This Orlando slams a free land. This land is a place that we can enjoy and use. That's cliven Bundy as he'd like to be seen the peaceful former home studying on his hundred sixty acre ranch near bunkerville, Nevada, raising fourteen kids to help him out on the farm. But in two thousand fourteen just a few weeks after this video was shot on the same piece of land cliven Bundy and his sons were anything, but peaceful tensions reached the boiling point earlier this week. They'd raised a militia that was pointing guns at federal agents, what the bundy's called. They destroy Anacle government. Will they have gone. We need guns to protect ourselves from tyrannical government. Here's cliven onstage in bunkerville whipping the crowd into a frenzy demanding that the local sheriff bulldoze the buildings at a nearby national park so that the surrounding community might have free reign of the land. Aaquil moat you. He says, you get the county equipment out there tear those things down this morning. The sheriff just stands quietly on stage. He's guys thumbs hitched in his belt mob heckles him.