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Episode 155: Lost Bulls

the memory palace

11:13 min | 7 months ago

Episode 155: Lost Bulls

"This memory palace brought to you by ever lane. Start the era fright by getting your war. German order with premium essentials Neverland. Maybe it's cold where you are and you are looking. I knew winter. Where if you're like me in California get to go through a whole day of ever lane layers walk the dog and my Pine Colored Chore Jacket? You ready for the rain with a new. All weather jacket might simply end up in everything POA before the end of the day wherever you are there is ever land with high quality materials and classic styles right now you can check out a personalized collection at Evelyn Dot com slash memory. Plus you're GonNa get free shipping on your first order that has ever lean dot com slash memory summary ever lane dot com slash memory before we started the show. I WanNa thank you so much for sporting the memory palace. Alice and Radio Tokyo twenty twenty. It's going to be a big year and I'm so glad to have you along for the ride special. Thank you to everyone who donated to Radio Tokyo during the radio. topiary forever campaign in pain. Your support means so much to the show. Be on the lookout for more information about your words in your email box. If you donate the next few weeks thank you again. Inhabit Happy Happy New Year. This is the Memory Palace. I'm nate demeo. The defendant was led into the courtroom on rope. He was met with laughter even from the jury. He was charged with vagrancy and larceny highway robbery and disturbing disturbing the peace and the judge informed the jurors that though the death penalty was typically reserved for murder and treason the various crimes of which the defendant was accused. Were so serious. There harm was so dreadful. If he was guilty he would be executed. Defendant didn't follow any of this didn't speak the language he had no understanding the fate that awaited also. He was a bull he was a male cow. So that's why I could've teased out some more played with your expectations. -tations bit longer but at some point. That would kind of hacky not to mention confusing when I told you as they will now that the judge informed the jury that after being executed the defendant defendant would be eaten that point. It would be kind of disrespectful both to you the listener into the bill because his life was indeed at stake back there in a makeshift courtroom in Ballpark in Waynesboro Pennsylvania in September of nineteen twenty four one of likely hundreds of trials conducted during the Nineteen Twenties and thirties in so-called courts of bovine justice officials at the US Department of Agriculture wanted to encourage dairy farmers and cattle ranchers to purchase purebred pedigree greet bulls with the goal of eventually eradicating also called Scrub Bulls. Basically the Matz of the Bovine World the belief was that purebred bulls produced airs that produce more milk or had bigger more delicious bodies and so they came up with the idea of holding literal show trials in farming and ranching communities around the country in which a single scrabble would be charged with grievous crimes namely that being a less than maximally profitable food product or breeding machine gene was tantamount to theft and over the course of the proceedings. The jury in the gathered audience would become convinced that their own scrambles had to go. It was a show an evening's entertainment. All Fun and Games unless you're the bull in unless you appeared behind the curtain mm-hmm the Department of Agriculture was far from the only scientific or governmental body promoting what it saw as the benefits of selective breeding eugenicist. Were also out to improve the human race by guiding evolution in part by reading the human population over time of people with undesirable genetic traits or at least traits. They believed to be genetic disabilities. Mental illness. Criminality alcoholism even poverty American scientists were at the forefront of this movement as were American state legislatures twenty nine of which pass laws allowing the four sterilization the people they deemed unfit to breed the fate that befell at least sixty four thousand Americans and when eugenic principles were embraced by the Third Reich. Well Anyway The AG Department thought that the latest scientific thinking should be shared heartland so a staff writer named Dallas Dhakal Burch of the USDA's Bureau of Animal Industry typed up a pamphlet titled outlined for conducting scrubs higher trials. It was written with a wit and imaginative flair. There's one would assume Mr Burge rarely got to deploy a staff writer for the USDA's Bureau of Animal Industry Twenty three pages that contain the entirety of Scrub Bull jurisprudence. Aw such as it was and lay out in easy to follow steps. How you too could hold your own scrub bull trial? such as the one convenient Waynesboro Pennsylvania in nineteen twenty four during the first weekend of fall held at seven pm so farmers and breeders in Boy Scouts and merchants in all of Franklin County. It seemed could come got to see it. Hundred seated in bleachers under electric lights on a purpose built platform aglow in the center field. There was music as per the pamphlet. It was good to have a ban on hand both to entertain the at Ds and assuming all went according to plan to play funeral dirge. After the verdict there was a judge. Judge Real on the book said this was better in real clerks in real bailiff people who knew their way around a courtroom. He knew how to hit their marks when they were the defendant through the gap in the bleachers to the place where he would stand in front of the bench and jury box as the judge laid out the charges against him. There was a script the judge would follow though he could improvise soften jokes in banter in local color. Were all strongly encouraged but when it got down to the bull. He should stick to the script late on thick that. The defendant is one of a gang of robbers which operates in Franklin County. During the whole of it's worthless career has been an ungrateful consumer a valuable vendor that the defending is an unworthy father of progeny. And so on something's something's optional. A hearse with black bunting the funeral oration clergyman to delivered. But there should be lawyers real ones and so there were in Waynesboro and witnesses local breeders farmers there to lend their expertise in backup the prosecution's claims that the defendant and the bull right there rope looped around its neck it soft ears for its tail flicking. Electric Lights reflected. It's wide round. Is The bull had caused his owner. Countless thousands in lost wages was in fact. Rank imposter danger to the heard. In by virtue of his nature menace not only to the prosperity of his owner but also the community at large. The defense attorneys would argue. This wasn't bull's fault that it was merely an accident of birth that had led him to sire offspring that would likely produce less milk. On average no sired by a purebred bull fewer fewer pounds of dress weight according to the testimony of the butcher to audience to whom dressed weight was familiar terminology. There were objections and sidebars ars gavels. Were gaveled as were only eight. There were examinations and cross examinations opening arguments and closing arguments. All all the things required for trial under the American judicial system except a jury of peers. Because who there could truly judge that one scrabble there to stand in for all Scrub Bulls born to pedigree parents who there could truly determined that bulls worth. Even the prosecution would concede he was merely being a ball doing both things but he was afforded the jury of peers to judge whether he did them. Well who might understand what boomer is to a Bo. What is the field and the feed? The buzzing fly the breeze the flicking tail. What is a life well lived in? That notion might seem absurd. Sure but more absurd than a bull on trial in the Ballpark and September evening in Pennsylvania because because eugenics was all their age. I am less sure. This trial ended in conviction as they all did. It's one of the steps laid out in the pamphlet. It ended in a barbecue which wasn't always the case. Sometimes it was a weenie roast. One Bull Minnesota was is dragged along to trial after trial. Once in Indiana the executed bull was placed in a black coffin and buried one time in July of nineteen eighteen. Thirty one bowl was convicted in a trial in front of Eight. Hundred people. In Neil's Ville Wisconsin but before he could be killed he somehow slipped away in ran off into the trees. Ni- propose we let this one scrabble standing for all scrub bulls though so a few of them exist now well well into the two thousand. They have indeed been bred in engineered and eaten out of the population. But let's let this one go to to run off into the trees. Let him keep on running to find pasture some tall grass in a life worth living. Whatever whatever them I mean This episode but the Memory Palace was written and produced by me. Nate male with research assistance from allies mccraw engineering system from Elizabeth Obamacare air it originally aired as part of an episode of the radio program and PODCAST radio lab. You can find that episode by going to radio APP DOT ORG and searching my name it down. This upset relied heavily both through inspiration and for his research. And the work of Gabriel Rosenberg. A professor at Duke University. You could find links to his work and it is really a grade. Read show notes of this episode. The show is proud member of Radio Topa from Pierre ex excellent music from JD Samson. We'll have new episodes for you all through two thousand twenty. Thanks for listening a Talk Radio.

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How Chicago Bulls Win in Social by Being Adaptable

Social Pros Podcast

51:14 min | 6 d ago

How Chicago Bulls Win in Social by Being Adaptable

"I think it's it's a matter of like you can't control. You can't control lake. Let's get creative and figure out what is there to say. When there's no games. I tell you what? Adam, if there is a slogan for the Social Media Professional these days, you can't control. What you can't control is is probably a good as any in while social media's crazy all the time, our guest, this week, unsocial pros, Lucas Duke, who is the head of content for the Chicago Bulls boy. I talk about a talk about a triangle of crazy that they've had to negotiate your. Your not only did they have to deal with what we're all dealing with with with vid and the pivot of content, but with all the back and forth with with the NBA and how they were GonNa do this micro season. Then the last dance, the most watched programming I think for for a good solid couple of weeks on on ESPN, and certainly the most talked about content new content on television. Luca dealt with all of this with with with poise and professionalism, and a level of of success that we can all aspire to friends. This is a super interesting episode of Social Pros, Hell Luca, and his team are organized. How they think about fan engagement, how they think about social media channels, how they think and execute innovation. Make sure you listen closely to what they're doing on. TIKTOK, with Benny. The Bull it's just a really great example of how to do social media exceptionally well. And it's no surprise. The Chicago Bulls are the third most followed a professional sports team in north. America, regardless of League, certainly, it's some legacy of of Michael Jordan and the success of those bowls teams, but Luca in his team and the in the work that they do. Every day is a big part of that success, and you'll see why in this episode of social pros which has always brought to you by our friends at salesforce. 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Luca Duccio, who is the director of content for your Chicago's joins us this week on social pros. As this episode Launches July Thirty First Twenty Twenty, the NBA is is back. In. In Mickey Mouse Land doing their thing, not so much. The Bulls Eye. That's probably good news bad news for you, right. I definitely think we'd prefer to be be in it. You know we're in this to work, and we Miss Basketball as much as anybody else. So I think we were very much in the camp of of wanting to be back but Yeah. The the bright side is a little bit more time in the evenings to spend with with families. I'm glad you mentioned that we've had other social media managers in digital managers from professional sports teams on the show over the years. In fact, Tatiana from the Pacers is actually our guest next week. So we're going to have a comparing a divisional compare and contrast on. So if you WanNa, if you WanNa trash-talk the Pacers now would be your chance to do that. But I, I meant you mentioned sort of time at home with the family it is. Unusual in comparison to some other social media jobs that the action for you happens at night, right in many cases in in, it's gotTa be a strange obvious in in a regular season. It's gotta be a strange kind of working climate where you're always going to try to create continent. Do Stuff at night talk about that a little bit and sort of the the schedule of being in digital for an NBA? Franchise. Total there's so much that goes into it. Obviously, the Games are the point of our. Our business in what we do, but we have a full day. So all day is fan- kind of planning strategy working with the corporate partnerships teams getting prepped for the night, and then you're almost performing at night like the players do right. Like you need to be on between seven and eleven pm every night home away. So definitely creates a pretty crazy during season schedule. I. Think the most you can do is kind of crap and get ready in kind of go into it. Knowing that for eighty two nights of the year. It's GonNa. Be Nights weekends three to four nights a week. But you know as as someone who likes to create make basketball you. You kinda live for that like you kind of don't feel like it I. Remember my first year at the Bulls. Eye was going in on a Saturday and I was like excited, right? Like it was like it was going to be a big game and I was excited to do my job like there's there's kind of Adrenalin rush that comes with of going along with the game. When you don't know what's GonNa Happen that night, right I remember thinking to myself lake. How many jobs can you have where I'm going into work on Saturday at like four o'clock, I'll be there until eleven and I'm excited about it. You know. So I think like in in those moments while you are putting in. In a ton of hours. You're appreciative of job you get to do you know that's being around basketball team being around the NBA? It's such a dream come true like you know every once in a while, you gotTa Pinch Yourself, and that's not to say that you're not putting in crazy hours losing You don't get to see your family and friends during the NBA season because you have on the nights off, you just want to go home and go to bed. But you know all the same lake, it's an adrenaline rush on lake. Any other that experienced in work environment. Luca, can you tell us a little bit about your team and how it's structured I? Think it's fascinating how you kind of come at all things digital and communications almost from an internal agency perspective and and talk a little bit how that setup also, if that's a new structure or if you've been doing it that way for a long time. Yeah. Of course, we've changed almost every year as you have to like the digital and social status changes. So quickly, every year you have to adapt to do something different So right now like how we work as I, sit on the digital team. So Dan were already have been on your show before. He oversees the entire digital department, which is split into three groups. So you have product which is. The, you know the coders people building a website, the APP, all that stuff you have growth, which is our email marketing team are digital content strategists who works on paid promotions works on through the Google analytics. Facebook all that stuff I'm paid goes through him. The content team, which is, which is my team. and. Then we really quickly realized our team used to be like more called the social media team. So we'd be the team that just runs the day to day social. And that obviously has become such a bigger piece of what we do whether. That's from a marketing perspective. What us from a public relations perspective. I think the businesses growing so much in the last few years where realized social media is no longer just people running funny tweets, people doing something. Putting out like a interesting video or photo like there's there's so much more to it. There's so much more strategy to it like this is really the voice of the team to the fans. So it's a big part of our marketing NPR strategy. So as as that's kind of evolved in grown and become more important part of with businesses in general we realized. Realized that like social media doesn't belong to just additional team like there's so many other people that their outputs you know come out on their our social platforms, like what we do is affecting them on a day to day. So we recognize that about a year ago and we restructured a bit how we approach content introduced something. We call the content studio. So. That means. In a nutshell. The digital team My team works really closely with the other creative groups whose outputs largely live on digital platforms to align on what we're doing whether it's from strategy wise or tactical, whatever it might be we worked together. So those groups are creative services like graphic design, team both TV which our video team. Endgame Entertainment, which obviously, that's your the Bulls and levels in all the people that you see signs of the game, obviously part of what they do. Do now is is coming out on digital platforms do so these are the kind of creative groups that we found like on almost every project. Two of these four groups were involved in everything we did on social. So rather than working kind of separate departments, we decided we're going to kind of align when it comes to content So what we do there is like from the beginning stages whether you're just brainstorming idea to when you're executing it to win. You're distributing it all the way down to when you're analyzing. How did it do? All these teams are involved. So it's not a digital project that we're asking help for from that. It's not a a video team project that we're seeing for the first time. Right before it's ready to be distributed, were all kind of on the same page making content and I think that's resulted in us being a lot more thoughtful in our process, a lot more thoughtful in her outputs and. Really made the organization at large, feel like content belongs to all of us in natural son one team. So we actually don't have anyone on the team anymore with social media in their title. We think content obviously lives beyond social media on our website. It's on our APP. It's even something we can repurpose on the scoreboard during. Games, when we have full stadiums in the glory days, right? So there's there's so many ways that content affects the organization. It's become so much more thoughtful process. We also sat down last year when we first convened as this content studio group and we talked about like what is important to us, right? Like what do we want our voices to sound like? What would we want the Bulls to be saying what we want the Bulls to feel like? Weak got a room and just hammered out what we thought was important to us in. Kind of attendance of of the Bulls Voice, So everyone had a hand in that. That's not something that the digital team or the social team came and told everyone. This is what the Bulls are going to sound like. We all sat down and talked through. So it's been a very purposeful changing something that we've We've been working towards for a long time. I'm really happy with his first year of that went on, but will continue to evolve as the industry. It's it's amazing to hear how social is everywhere. We've long predicted that even in my book The. Now Revolution which was published almost ten years ago. We said there that you know eventually there won't be any social media people because it will be so commonplace, it would be like having a radio department in an agency you're like, well, that's weird or having some excel department it just it just is. It's oxygen. Oxygen and always around you as opposed to water that you have to go seek out and it's incredible that it's actually happening at the Bulls as I understand it, the the Bulls are the third most followed team in all of North American professionals, which extraordinary. So obviously, you're doing a great job with all the official bulls accounts but I think it'd be interesting for social pros listeners to understand Luca that you've got a bunch of other accounts to other than just like at bowls, right. You've got the archive account and the mascot account like a bunch of other sort of satellite accounts that is run as talking about that. Totally So this was actually in the last couple of years has become more focus for us. So we we recognize that the bulls main account is hugely followed I. Think we have to thank Mr. Number, twenty three for a lot of that A big part of our audience on our main accounts actually comes internationally seventy percent of people who follow us on. Social. don't even live in the US so. So we we recognize huge international following like the Bulls are not just Chicago team like they are. You know ended ubiquitous everywhere. Right. So we recognize the power of that in our main accounts but we we also think that there's a lot of things within what we call the Bulls Universe that gives opportunities to talk to her fans in a different way or give people a different experience with team. So. About a year ago, we launched Bowls Archive. We have these We had this room in the United Center that's kind of like that corner where they had all these undeveloped photos of the championship years from the official team photographer in those days, they came on like little slides, right like in. You had to digitize them just to get them on digital. So there's these physical slides and we would take people on towards the United. Center. We would show them. The. We would show them this room and people will be like, oh. My God. Like some of these photos like no one's ever seen before. So for while we're like, Hey, we should really do something with this in about a year ago. We decided to take the initiative just like, Hey, like let's launch archive account. Just kind of lets US showcase some of these photos in it's it's actually like not super simple to get these in digital format. Crazy machine called like the digitize five thousand or something, and it's like super loud network. Put the slides end to digitize it. So you'd have to manually do a lot of work to get there, but you're really giving people something. They can't see like they haven't seen on getty images or they haven't seen millions of magazines so. We started that on facebook and twitter. That's been. You know, obviously, we know that's going to be a smaller audience than our main account, but the engagement rate is actually higher than the one that we have on our meeting account. So the people who are falling are actually super involved in it. I think a lot of seeker heads really like it because you're seeing shoes like guys were wearing. It gives us just a different way to play similarly you mention. That the bowl, for example, like Benny is probably one of the most famous if nothing most famous mascots in sports, he over the a long period of time as established himself as a as a character as somebody who I think everyone loves and respects his sometimes the most famous person at the Bulls, right? So. That's an asset that doesn't change venues. He's never gonNA be traded than he's never gonna be like, that's that's part of us now. Ben For the longest time was was very famous for his in arena. You know activities in like what he was doing know in today's age like we wanted to find a way to translate that to an online space. And you know the work that team, Benny. Hill on my team have done this year in launching, but he the Bulls tiktok account, for example, has been like absolutely ridiculous. They started it. First of all, they were looking at Tiktok can help people were using it they very early on being like listen. We don't WanNa, just like set highlights to music, WE WANNA like dip our toes in the tiktok waters in a way that makes sense true platform Answer. What did what we did is instead of launching our main efforts through the Chicago Bulls Tiktok account were like look, Benny's a character. He's always GONNA be there. He's people something people recognize. Let's do it through Benny. And so all credit goes to them in helping launched, but they started doing it by. Their one of the first people in sports to use the platform, the way that a actual people were using it versus how brands were using it. And I think the results speak for themselves. They now has about two million followers on our TIKTOK platforms. MAZING. He's one of the five most sports accounts like not mascots. But like sports accounts I think only Liverpool I think maybe Barcelona are ahead of him. So He's more fun than any other team. I think the warriors are there somewhere too, but he's more followed than almost any team account, which is crazy. It's a mascot right as a result like Benny has turned into an influence on his own. So like Bennys tiktok account has totally. Totally different vibe than the Bulls Account. Right. So for us like purposely like when I talked about lake us talking about what bulls voice sounds like. You were not like a trash talking team account like that doesn't fit our voice, right? So like our voice I'm not saying it's it's boring. We definitely do fun fun things, but that's not our ethos is to always be like trash talking or be like, Joey, all the time like our our brand. It wouldn't sound right to our brand to do that and the teams that do that. It's totally right for their brand like like Sacramento Kings, I love what they do. They're always kind of like stirring things up. And that's right for them. It would feel weird coming from the Bulls though, but on Benny's TIKTOK and how we get to do that stuff, right? We get to the a little bit more irreverent. We get to do a lot more things you might not see gives us a different outlet was actual. Benny get to like have a say in it or are you sort of like making content on behalf of the guy in the suit? It wouldn't work. There's no guy in the Benny. Benny's real real saying their first of all. Is a real bull I understand. Cow Exactly exactly it, it wouldn't work without. Being a part of it and coming up with the ideas and I, think that team Benny is totally brought bought into it and like while I, think like we serve to kind of help with the strategy in like how to do it, and we're very much a part of it they're totally bought now too, and they see the value in they're coming up with. We have a slack channel that's just called TIKTOK. Going off at all hours of the night with team Benny, seeing something and saying like, Hey, like we should do this. So it doesn't work again like going back to that content studio ethos like doesn't work if we're just kind of ordering people around in saying like, Hey, this is what you need to do. They need to be bought in as well. I mean, the team bending will tell you the it's caused. He's not just like influence online like now like when he's in the stadium, we're playing with fans. Like fifteen year, olds are coming up to get photos with Benny because he's a celebrity to them. Now because they seen his tick toxin, he used to do the won't move when he would see like teenagers all my God, it's really him like it's like he would do these like little things to signify the TIKTOK. You can kind of tell when someone's banning from TIKTOK. Is Kinda turn him into a celebrity as well. So that's been a really fun success story, the season. We're GONNA. Do that with Adam. That's going to be our next to next I am the mascot and. Your. Look at strategy that you're using for the secondary counts. They is fascinating. A I think. So many of our listeners are are trying to ascertain to create secondary counts to recreate. Additional brand extensions if you will in in social media and you have on it and you have done it famously successfully and I'm curious You mentioned that the ball is the third, most the dissociable colleagues on Tiktok for sports in. That was amazing. What are the demographics of? India. Track that you track the demographics of some of your secondary counts like the ball verses bulls in in things like that. Are you seeing any differences from from users? There's a huge difference I think that audience on Tiktok, for example, a significantly younger. Than our audience on facebook or instagram. But in even those traditional, what's funny. The are traditional platforms like twitter facebook Instagram, even those demographics are different. So I think it's important that we kind of hit people in different ways. In that, any of those kinds of extra accounts or a bull universe accounts that there is an audience might right? We don't WanNa just randomly be starting accounts and just say things because we don't want to say it on the Bulls main platforms or just use it as kind of a dump for a different. Objective, for us you kind of created with an audience in mind, and that's what we asked for like you. Before we started bulls archive like went through exercise in. Were like, okay. Like why are we doing this? Like? What is the goal? Like you know what we want to see out of this? What's GonNa make the success a year from now. Right? Like do we? It's not like snapping your fingers to create a new account and launch it and build like that takes a lot of time. It takes a lot of strategy nefer. So it has to be worth it right? Like we could easily tomorrow make ten million different accounts on different platforms But if you don't have like a goal in mind or like what exactly you want to accomplish from this, you never know if like you're spending your time in the right way, so be sustainable to. Exactly. Certainly. Everybody who listens to the show has seen their content strategies pivot since since covid nineteen, that is that is without a doubt. I can assume that yours has as well. You had a kind of a cadence about pre a preseason postseason during season for for types of. You shared, and now that has been thrown out thrown out the window. I'm curious kind of how you've seen content pivot and are you working with different parts of your organization, but the front office with the players with the NBA. In different ways today or is it say same folks? We've just kind of changed what our messaging is and we've included different messages that again, we never thought about even thinking about four months ago. Yeah when I think the I always say like the fun part in the scary part about working in this industry is that Eli tomorrow is not the same as today even before covid nineteen everything stopped like you have to be ready to completely change what you're doing in like how we approached what we do three years ago and like. I listen to podcasts in really talked about three years ago and just be like Oh, my God like what were we talking about like it? It just changes so fast like this is an industry that's not changed the same from month to month like let alone year to year So I think on on that note like We were well positioned to kind of and change like what our approaching things. When the world kind of got up ended here in March For us like the day to day. It's changed in the fact that we're not there that there's not dislike. You're right like there's a rhythm to season. Right. There's practices. Games travel with the team were having entire behind the scenes documentary film about the team in all of a sudden, the team's not No access, it's not safe to be together and you're just like, okay, like how are we going to approach this I? Think I think we're well positioned to to tip it in that sense because. You have a bunch of people that like to make stuff in. Are you still a crazy life unlike that things are GonNa Change? So you kind of have to go with the flow For us. Gets its approaching content is different I think that there's part of. The reps that we've got in the last few years, I don't think I'm breaking any news to say the Bulls basketball team haven't won a lot of games in the last few years. So it it does become hard like on a team is underperforming or not wing to Still. WanNa. Be Honest right from the Bulls channels like you want to showcase the. The. Team in late, prop up the team. But like you can't be fake and pretend like you're not losing all these games, right? So that a lot of the reps that we've gotten last couple of years like, okay. Like listen like we can't control if we win or lose how close the game is like we can prepare where we can't control it. We can control the stuff off the court so I think we've done a really good job of getting super creative about things that aren't the actual games. In the last few years. We've done a lot of different and creative things and I think that puts us in a position where we uniquely had reps to not be reliant only on games happening for us to produce content. So when opportunities? slater. But like the last dance comes around like we had a really quickly scrambled to get everything ready for that. But we were used to scrambling. We're used to creating things. Now, you know we're not going to the Orlando bubble with the other NBA teams. So what are we gonNA talk about for the next few months like I think we're uniquely positioned to be like. All right, like here's the things that we can put out still say shoot the brand but are engaging the people that are like make continue to be a good follow like when loser or or not having a game so. I. Think. It's it's a matter of like you can't control control. So let's get creative and figure out what is there to say. When there's games going on. You gave a masterful answer to today's question earlier talking about how you've changed from removing the word social from from everybody's proverbial business cards that social may have a home room in your department, but social is shared across the organization. I'm curious kind of how that looks one step out with kind of the external parts of of the role working with other NBA teams working with the League even working with the city of Chicago. How do those relationships look in? Have those relationships shifted or changed you know in the in the past couple of months? I. I would definitely say that it's gotten those relationships have gotten closer arena. We've done some messing with the city of Chicago during Especially at the beginning of the pandemic. When they had they wanted to get out stay at home messages we work with them on on some content So there's no question that it's there. It's. A We say this all the time as a team, but like they haven't shut the internet off yet so This is kind of the one place that still going full throttle, right? Like it's like if the shop is is closed down temporarily where the shop window that people can still walk up to so. It's. It's definitely shifted and changed. It's going to be really interesting I. Don't think any of us know what next season looks like, right? Like like, let's say we can't play in front of fans next season, which I have not gotten any indication on either way. So I'm not giving it. I'm just spitballing. So don't quote me on this, but like let's say we don't play with fans next season. The only touch point people are gonNA have with the team is through digital platforms TV right? Like there's no other way you can interact with the team or do anything with teams all sudden like. Content digital social like that's going to be the only way you can kind of access people that includes people like season ticket holders who normally might be coming in the time. It includes people who might come in once a year for a game like includes everything in between. So I think if anything like this is going to become significantly bigger part of everything, the organization does so like right like how are you going to give values this season ticket holders who are not going to community games for a year, right? Like through content digital platforms like right now we have. Have A, we started a facebook group with just season ticket holders, and we'll do things like we have our behind the scenes documentary will release a two days early for just that rate on our facebook group. So they get a chance to see something before the wider world does like what other things can we explore to give them value through digital content social, whatever it might be to to provide value in a world in which you can't play in front in front of people. So it's it's shifted significantly. I think everyone now has to think about digital. Everyone from partnerships to communications PR. There's no more like you guys set actually. Twenty Dan, who's our senior director key always says the same thing you guys earlier, which is You know there'll be a day where there's no digital department. It'd be like having telephone department, right? Like it's just like something that everyone does that from us? Yeah. He definitely did. Now I'M GONNA go back to be like. So I think we're seeing that shift just kinda get accelerated here like it's like you you have to approach, right? So. I it's definitely something we're seeing in. It's a fascinating time to be on the side of it. Yeah. I would I've been saying in other webinars and podcast interviews. A guest is that we we've? We've taken thirty six months of digital transformation in done in thirty six days. A lot of the things that we're doing right now, we are already on the way to do in those things, we have to do it immediately instead of step-by-step and it's It's created a lot of opportunities and a lot of creativity and and obviously nobody's like you know pro pandemic of course. But there are is when you're when you're forced to get creative, it's amazing what you can do sometimes. I. Love the. Honesty with which you acknowledged that the Bulls have not been. particularly. Spectacular on court. In recent seasons. Sometimes I'm sure that is reflected by fans either posts or sub tweets, comments in social. What are your rules of engagement there. I'm just curious. So if fan you know put something on twitter bowl sock whatever or replies. Do guys never react you are there certain circumstances that you will engage positively or negatively is at based on on the sort of perceived influence or circumstance? I'm just really curious. How you think about the opportunity to interact with fans either positively or negatively. Yeah, honestly, the just the sheer volume that we get positive and negative. Makes it hard to address you know every single person? So that's tough. I think for us as long as the conversation is constructive and people have something to say like you know we're okay with it I. Think. It can be difficult in world sports because a lot of times fans were upset in. oftentimes their rightfully. Upset. They'RE GONNA go to social to air out their grievances and they're gonNA. Go to something that you created. It can be very difficult to work very hard on something. PUT It out in the comments are ignoring what you did in saying that they want everybody to get fired or you know fire the social media personnel or whatever you know like it. It's part of our business like you know it's a weird business in 'cause you kind of can't control like the biggest part of it is whether they. They win or lose, and you know for all the great content we do and I like to think a good percentage of people follow us because we do great content, the majority of people falling because they liked the bulls like the basketball team, even as hard as I can be. Sometimes, I, think we understand that this is the fans outlet, and this is the way that people can talk directly to the team feel that they're talking directly to the team. So you really can't take that. Personally Right I. Think I think it's important to keep that in perspective in fans should be allowed to have a voice advance should be allowed to air that out. So to me, that's okay like I'm okay with that I. Think it only gets scary if no one's saying anything right? Like I people be really worked up and mad and talking than not saying anything in flat reason, I think. Discussion is okay. Even if it's even if it's critical of something that the team is doing or whatever. Like as long as it's respectful and not like calling anybody names or cursing or getting into like any kind of slurs. I think we're okay with with that kind of feedback. I, think it becomes really hard if you start addressing it. because. Then you're kind of setting expectation that the Bulls are going to respond in there. So many there's only so much so much we can say, so I wouldn't say that the majority of times that we respond to that directly One thing we set a goal in doing this year was becoming more responsive to fans in like our bolt was like if you send something to the Bulls and it's a legitimate question or comment or constructive like you should expect an answer more often than not that got hard to do halfway through the season when things were kind of going south on. Corden, and fans were upset So it's something that, I. Think we want to continue to do and explore. But for me like other negative like whatever it is like you know as long as it's not harmful to anyone. That's what social media therefore. therefore, if you're mad about the team. That's where you're gonNA. Say you're mad you know and I, think that that's okay to have those discussions. Interest Showcases Passion. Love attitude could spot on that that the passion is what you want. The worst thing is if nobody cared right, if it gets, you know there's like well I don't I, don't care what the balls do i. no longer doesn't matter to me anymore. That would be the worst possible outcome. I want to ask you one more question about process and operations in terms of Adam. West ask about some of your background. How do you handle? Video and photo writes in publishing like I. It's my understanding that the NBA. Has, pretty, strict regulations about what you can and can't do what you can use some archives and what you could put into a an instagram video or something like that. What does the process there where you're like? Okay. If you take it your team makes it or takes a video. Do then get rights to it. How does that? How does that work? Yes. So I mean at the end of the day where the team. So if we have our video team like stuff like we have the rights to use whatever whatever we filmed, the the areas that get a little bit more detailed is in of broadcast footage like game footage. So like there's certain things, are you know we work with arson, our regional sports network NBC sports very closely. And we want to be respectful of rights. So it's like we won't go too crazy by publishing the entire game like unsocial that people like don't watch it on NBC sports. So there are some considerations there. I think the nice part about being team in the NBA is very flexible league. When it comes to that stuff is that you're getting given a lot of autonomy on how to use content. The NBA like US access to media archive as a lot of old game. So WanNa pull old highlights or footage like that's accessible to us. So I will give the EH the NBA lot of credit for that, I, think, they give teams, a lot of tools to succeed there without like preventing you too much from utilizing video footage broadcast rights. We have a subscription, we have our own photographer, we also subscription subscription to getty images. So we have a lot of access to content from there and don't feel too restricted their. Luca, dupage director content for Chicago. Bulls. It is great to have you on on social pros I. Think your insights are are so are so interesting and fascinating especially as. As we look at kind of where we are today here, we are July. You come from Ataman. Public Relations Great fantastic world renowned agency and I'm curious. As I, know some of our listeners come from the agency side or may be considering going to the agency side. How do you think the agency world has come prepared you for for a corporate job albeit a very different corporate job than than most companies and is there anything that the agency experienced didn't prepare you for as you? As you took the reins there at Chicago Bulls, I would recommend anybody especially if you WANNA work in work on this side of things. So start their careers at an agency like that. At. Least for me, my experience was was so positive there I gained so much. So much experience that US on a day-to-day basis here that like I I can't say that enough a lot of times I'll speak to up and coming college students or high school students in I encourage anybody who's a high-school college students to reach out I'm always happy to have the conversation people helped me when I was trying to get in the industry. So I always try to take the time if someone reaching out. To speak with them. A lot of times they have their hearts set on working BOURA team or like at the end of the NBA, and I always say there's different ways of doing it. You don't have to start their recommend going working at agency for a few years to get that experience and see like where your strengths are what you like you kind of go into it. So for me, I wouldn't change anything role change a lot of the agency. I. It was pure PR for awhile. I. Spent Time just doing media lists calling lake our lowest level clients like in trying to pitch. Crazy things in small doll. Yeah. Exactly. and then towards the end of my time there, I got to do more content marketing where you're coming up with via videos. Surprised delight was a really big thing back then. So we're coming up with ways and I love that process. And, it's funny. It's Kinda. Come Full Circle I. Went From Lake, a pure jobs content marketing to like digital. Content creation, it seems circling back around like I. Feel like my job is very much VR again, right. Like so. It was super helpful. I got to work with a ton of different clients. Settlement obviously has amazing clients, Heineken Pepsi. Dove. big, and small ray lake. And I got to see how different businesses approach things. That's getting any perspective on in a lot of ways of big part of what we do from a content perspective, right? Like we're not. We don't have a team just to post interesting photos and videos like you know at the end of the day, we are a business. So a big way that we kind of drive our businesses through branded content So when I came on at the Bulls like one of the things I really took on my role was, how do we monetize through branded content? Like how do we approach? Working with partners in my experience, it agency gave me the ability to not only know how brands think what's important to them, but it also put me in the room with them. So it's not like the partnership seems having conversations with brands, and they're just kind of taking what you say like you're hoping that like they transfer the message correctly, but I'm in the room now with our partnerships team and the brand and talking about what we can do for them on on our platforms. So it's been immensely helpful for me like it's not only. Was a way to kind of get those creative juices flowing stretch those legs by it enabled me to speak the language of brands. Big and small, and that doesn't go away. No matter where you're at. So that's been a huge, hugely helpful unexperienced for me one of the things. Many things. I'm proud of things most proud of personally at the bulls are approach branded content. Some of the stuff that we've done in our approach of like branded content shouldn't be an interruption or like a commercial or like if you're a fan like the a God, like the Bulls are putting out a commercial here, but should be attached to good content so that lake fans are like, all right. Like I see, there's a brand here recognize that, but this bring me good content rate. I think too many too many times in our industry. People look at branded content as like something they have to do because they wanna make money in like. So they're kind of forcing it verses like, Hey, like listen like there's a brand on board. Let's make something cool that like people actually like enjoy in both brands can get something out of it. And that doesn't happen. I don't think unable to accomplish that without the experience I had been. So for me, the agency experience was incredible place start the career I I met a lot of people that I'm still very close with their. and. Yeah I. Think I. think that's experienced that super valuable I. think anytime, you can get a different perspective. You know you're you're all better for. This idea of having multi skills and the idea that social can help us those skills is so apparent and it's been apparent here on the show Jay, and I used to joke where, where are the social practitioners today Tamara just a few weeks ago we had Adrian Parker is now global VP for patrol a Tequila on the show and how he started. You know like. So many of us are writing tweets and now head of marketing for one of the world's most prestigious brands. It's. It's. It's amazing. Look in. Thanks. Thanks for your story. I would be remiss we would be remiss if we didn't bring up one topic before. Hand this over Jay and that is the impact of a little documentary on ESPN ESPN films during this code crisis that may or may not have had an impact on some of your marketing you alluded to it. The last dance, fantastic eleven, episodes, or ten episodes. I can't remember off the top of my head. I watched each of them twice. I'm sure ninety, eight point, nine percent of our audiences already watched this. If you haven't please do how look to the last dance. Impact your activities, and was there any correlation or coordination between ESPN films? The NBA and the Front Office of the Chicago Bills, your part in the making of that Yeah. I. Mean it was. It was crazy. It was like I can't even describe it obviously. Everyone, watched. It was the only thing going on for five weeks there in the sports world? So it was, it was a wild time like it was almost like it was almost like being in the playoffs, right? Almost like there's a huge thing that everyone's watching. You have to prep every week we practice if it was a game in every episode, we had five or six people working all week. We were preparing content It was it was absolutely. Insane, experience. It was Super Fun ESPN did. We did have contact with them and they. Would give us the points. The upcoming episodes we could prepare content ahead of time. So as things were happening in showing things like if they were showing. You. Know Dennis Rodman Stories. We had Dennis Rodman content pulled out So we did have some advance notice in work with the League in an espn a little bit on that. So that was extremely helpful. But it was. It was crazy guys. I mean honestly like Nielsen Sports sends like this like weekly or bi weekly recap of like what's going on in the world of sports we were by far the most engaged with mentioned team in the world, it Ed for those five weeks, which was which was crazy. We were like blowing everything out of the water. It had the highest numbers in terms of impressions engagements since I've been at the Bulls and that includes a couple of playoff runs So it was it was literally the most. Engagement attention that we've gotten a longtime mentally proud of the content that we came up with work with outside creators to do crazy designs, we work with our internal teams. Do a series of of kind of throwback hosts we work with our video team to. pull out some of the things that were talking about kind of supplemented so that the Bulls actually became a part, it wasn't just what you were talking about what we were putting out with supplementing what you were watching. Kind of giving you an extra like tidbit in there, and so I, felt like we were like, obviously, it was about the bowl. So it was very easy tie in there, but I felt like we provide value as a follow during that time as well. Director's cut, right? It's like you sort of add your own commentary track. Yeah, exactly. Exactly, it was. It was so much fun. Guys is so much. It was it was it was so much fun to go through. We were going through along with everybody else, and we just couldn't believe that in for five weeks in. We worked seven days a week to on this project that obviously the episode would Air Sunday night. So we would like everything, but all week was plans planet was spent planning, figuring out what we were going to say, how are we going to do it So it was a rush, it was it was such A. Godsend during a time where it was like everything else quiet i. Feel so lucky that this was coming out right now. But, yeah, a proud of how we can approach the detected and supplemented. What was going on it was it was a really fun ride and makes up a little bit for the fact that we were not in this Orlando here at the end of July. And a cool experience, right and when the that. You. Probably never have that again in your career where like the entire world of sports is focused on your team. It's extraordinary to even to even think about that. Hopefully, we won't have that circumstance again. Yeah, exactly look when asking the two questions. We ask everybody here on the big social pros podcast. First question. What one tip would you give somebody who's looking to become a social pro like you? just makes us look to me like that's by far. The most important thing when I talked to whether it's candidates are or people who are interested in the role. That's the first thing I ask like, what are you making? Right? Like it's like if you want to work in the social world in the content world, like you have to love making stuff, right? That has to be like what drives you. So it actually doesn't matter to me what it is like. You don't have to be great if you're a great video editor. PODCAST. Or whatever it is. But it really, it really doesn't matter to me like as long as you have this passion for making stuff, you can channel that. into being a great sports pro, so whether it's when I was in New York and Working Woman, I ran a boxing blog bed, I'd briefer nobody read and I wrote it under suiting. That was embarrassed for anyone to read it. But I was just like I. Just wanted to make stuff and put it out there right when I work with people who have had podcasts, right? Like again, nobody listened to their but gas, but like they wanted to just like make it to me that always speaks so much more to. Being. Ready. We can touch on this a little bit before, but you really can't control how things change and you can just know that things are going to change. So. If you're an expert in what social media's right now, but you don't change in the next five years you were going to be very quickly left behind. We are I, like award winning series for me at the Bulls was vying series in the next year, they like shut down. So you can't be I mean. It's great in the moment to be an expert in the platform like what's going on right now you have to. To me, but by far, more important than you, loving vine or loving tick, loving twitter is that you like to make stuff. So that to me is is the number one, ten. M. As long as you do that as long as that's where you're passionate as you can be successful Distri and has one of my favorite answers to that question in the history of this show and I could not agree more it is. Maker. Did, everybody's listening to That was spot on it was. Absolutely true. You can't teach enthusiasm for making things You can teach all the different platforms skills, but you can't teach somebody having that desire to just create so and really well then. Luca last question if you could do a video call with any living person. Who would it be. Asked to everyone. So I do prep work and this is by far the hardest question that you guys have asked me so. Really. Struggled with this. I wrote down. So many different things in so many different names I wanna give you my brief cheat answer, I, and that's Anthony Bourdain, he's not alive anymore, but like that dude is a total inspirations in the I, love his writing. I love the interest. He had other cultures like a show. Awesome. He really opened my eyes to be till like enjoy cooking myself. So I had to throw that out there even though you're live one I settled on to be alive is. David Simon, who at wrote the wire? He's just an incredible creator like I think almost everything he's done like. To varying levels of critical acclaim like everything has had something to say. which I think is rare i. think he's a really interesting person who's lived a lot of different lives from a journalist on the crime. Beat the Baltimore Sun to. Writing like what I think is the greatest television show all time to continuing to kind of create put up things that have something to say I just think the guy would be an incredible. skype companion, I would love to just crack a beer and. Talk to him about his life experiences. He someone I really respect from a from a creative perspective as well. So great answer, great answer, and one that we have inherited and I think you could make that happen. Right? You got tickets. You know someday like hey. David. Come Hang. We'll do some content together. We'll watch the bowls you can. They can always give it a shot. Right? He doesn't strike me as a huge NBA Fan. But like I don't know that he's a big Baltimore Guy and they don't have a team down there. So I know I know he's into baseball, but you never know man can dream. I. Think you could do a white sox deal like you guys. In there I think you could make that happen pretty early. I, think that that we're going to ask you about that someday is is your cooperation with other teams. In. in Chicago and we'll be back on the show and and talk about that at some point down the road Luca. Thanks so much for your time and for your wisdom terrific job at at the Bulls and all the projects that you've got going past present and future. Sorry that we're not going to see the Bulls in this in this crazy sort of sprint to the finish year. But next season is right around the corner literally. So we'll with a fresh start here in the fall. For, the Bulls and and thanks again for taking the time to be on social press. So, much for having me when we get back to. Some semblance of normalcy would love to have you guys out to a game in Chicago. We'll do it. It's an easy for me. To make happen. Can. Thanks again. Yeah. We Appreciate Ladies and Gentlemen Luca Dutra to is the head of content for your Chicago Bulls, and just doing some incredible things, not just him. But I want to recognize the entire team there in the content studio and beyond led by Dan Moriarty who was on this show a while back when he was at high hotels just doing great stuff. So it's exciting as I mentioned during. During this episode, next week on social. Pros. Dot China Hatfield, who is the head of social for the Indiana? Pacers, who are the team closest to me is going to be on social pros. So we're going back to back NBA here on social pros. It's it's theme, Summer Adam, and in fact, I don't think Adam even knows this because sometimes I guess without telling him, we have a similar theme coming up. Next month. I can four weeks. We've back toback guests who run social for major universities the the people who run social for MIT and who run social for Duke. We'll be back to back here on social pros in just a few weeks so. Schools. Yeah, we're getting all female like is. Adamant, I wear the wheel of fortune guys. We're going to go to Hawaii which obviously we're not but. Thank you so much for listening. Hope social pros is giving you some solace and comfort as you were locked away. Somewhere. This summer where your masks listen to social pros all the episode that, Social Pros, dot, com, we appreciate you see them.

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NBA News: Gobert-Mitchell, Bulls Makin' Moves & Thibs

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NBA News: Gobert-Mitchell, Bulls Makin' Moves & Thibs

"Good morning sweet world and welcome to the podcast on the athletic network. It's Tuesday April fourteenth. I'm Jay skeets alongside me. Thanks to the power of Technology Tassos. Hey everybody hey tassie. We got the Beard Kirby. Hey Hey y'all go. The international man mystery taking it to the Max Leila's friend and last but not least man making the magic happen. Gd Hello there isn't here. We are guys email us your MBA questions and comments to know dunks at the athletic dot com. We'll be beach stepping tomorrow. That's on Wednesday April fifteenth. So you still got mere hours to get those cues and comments in to try to make that one follow on social media twitter and Instagram at no dogs inc. We actually finally got around to releasing are windy city t shirt from NBA. All Star weekend in Chicago. You can buy one of those right now. Twenty five dollars. Plus shipping cost pens on where you are in the world at no DUNKS DOT COM and all proceeds from sales of this. 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Today we are going through the recent NBA news. We'll get to the Bulls and the jazz might even have to touch on the NBA. Two K. tournament that wrapped up the suns. Win something amazing but we got to start with. I mean tragic news that dropped on on yesterday. The timberwolves announced that Karl Anthony towns mother. Jacqueline died after. Battling the corona virus. This is from a towns family spokesperson. This was in a released statement. Jackie was many things to many people a wife mother daughter. Grandmother's sister aunt and friend. The matriarch of the towns family. She was an incredible source of strength fiery carrying an extremely loving person who touched everyone. She met her passion was palpable and energy will never be replaced against super super sad news. Because we specially no like what it was mid-march right later March. When towns announce that his mom had been placed on a ventilator and was in a medically induced coma due to complications cove in nineteen. And you know he had that five six minute video that he shared on social media pleading people to take this seriously. It's not to be taken lightly and unfortunately yesterday learning the news of Jacqueline Cruz downs incredibly sad and her her husband. Carl senior also going through cove in nineteen Contraction he contracted and was able to get over but Jackie was not and she also entered the NBA a little bit earlier. This season. Win The that word fiery that the family described of her Came through and she was in Philadelphia to see her son play against Joel embiid and when they got into a little tussle Joel. Embiid ejected from the game. Walking to the locker room and Jackie towns was absolutely giving it to him defending her son that she is fiery and it was. I love that moment seeing a mother. Stand up for her son and it was only a matter of time before it. You know it's the cove nineteen started closing in on the NBA world. It really hasn't hit all that closely until now even Anthony cousy who is a New York Post. A well-known York sports photographer passed away so entered it at that That point a couple of days ago and now it's even closer with Jackie towns who It's it was inevitable that it was going to happen with the amount of of deaths happening in in the US. It's ridiculously sad. And and everybody reaching out to Carl towns and the Timber Wolves family because yes both parents having to go through it. It's ridiculously hard for him. I'm sure yeah and it was. It was sad but also encouraging to see all the support from the other. Nba Players. Who are out there. Giving their best to Carlton's and his family It's a stressful time for everybody right now. In this makes it just even more so for the town's family. It's likely not the last time that we're GonNa hear something along these lines regarding the NBA family but the players always consider it a brotherhood and it certainly feels like they each have each other's back side during during these trying times for sure. Yeah we're obviously sending our best friends in our thoughts. Our condolences to the towns family and the entire Timber Wolves of the organization. All right trait. This was a big news over the last couple of days. Pivoting here obviously from that. Tragic News to the Bulls. Your Bulls are making some waves here. The Bulls fired general manager. Gar Forman Great Name. Great Face Gar Forman on Monday after ten years in that role and twenty two years with the team and this move came soon after the Bulls. Confirm the hiring of nuggets. Gm are tourists Karnishovas. Is I think how you say it. I'll get better at that. Don't you worry say it again. Kournikova's Karnishovas not bad as the franchise's executive vice president of basketball operations. So he is in and Gar Forman is out trae. We gotta start with you as the diehard Bulls Fan. What did you think of these moves that your team is making here? Jd hit the celebration music. It is the best time to be a bulls fan and I don't know four. Five seasons basically the Bulls just hired the third of my life of my life while Jerry Krause John Paxson Slash Gar Forman Gar packs obviously and then now Karnishovas but the first time they're pulling somebody from outside of the organization stealing him from the Denver Nuggets which has to be encouraging because the main knock on the Bulls as that they have just been a family business. Basically if once a bull always a bowl it honestly felt like John Paxson and Gar. Forman would be there forever. Despite the fact that things haven't been so great Everson's Derrick rose blew his knee out. I think it's a partial victory because only Garas gone. They released that Gar back into the ocean. So now we got car packs that being said John Paxson at least one title with a jump shot for the Chicago Bulls so I can understand him still being in the organization. They're calling him a senior adviser. I heard Karnishovas saying that. He views Paxton as an asset. And he's looking forward to collaborating. I just hope he doesn't collaborate too much. And I'm hoping we here pretty soon They're moving on from coach. Jim Boylan but honestly for the Bulls Eye. It has been a decent shutdown. They're losing no games. They got a new. Gm GARS gone. Zach Levine was the best horse and the Bulls. Doc is coming next week. April is good for the Bulls. You might notice that. There's no basketball being played but at least they're able to win a month when nothing is going on smart move by. Chivas there to basically take a dump on John. Paxson knowing that while packs won't be around the team day today he still has a very very powerful voice. I think when it comes to arnold ship so it's clear that the ownership finally realized I had to move on. They didn't want to. They still highly regard and respect Paxton and foreman but I got rid of one and then just bazeley removed John. Paxson from having any official role with team there. But while he's on the periphery. It's still not a clean sweep for Chicago. They need to get rid of him too. Because you just know that if anything happens if anything gets a bit crazy is still there. And we just don't know what he could be signed to the ownership group so I think it's I think it's great. I think it's a big move for Chicago overall but I still think could have done a little bit better by completely moving on from John. Paxson it 'cause if as in this advisory role where he won't be around the team didn't even really need to announce that they could have just said Paxon's Atas well while keeping him in the shadows because I think that's what a lot of people still feel particularly booze fans Abacha Acog. I that that these two packs of home have been such a disaster in that organization specially recently. They need to be gone completely. So isn't that like it's a ceremonial thing. Right I mean this guy's been with the organization Paxton for what three decades air and of course have been there the whole time. He was a broadcaster even and he's just been there forever. I think it's completely ceremonial of. Hey you're still with the team. You're still a part of the family. But he actually like he actually truly probably isn't it when he hits a jumper against the sun's he was going to have a job for life and I think that's fair like you're saying he is an ambassador but hopefully he just remains an imbalance. Yeah you never know what the Bulls once Gar. Forman was fired. People were still curious of fire from what I know. He's still got two years on his contract valuable scout so gar forman somehow going to still be in the organization. Who knows? I'm choosing to be optimistic about this right now because at the very least there's a new number one decision maker and it's not somebody who was employed by the Bulls two days ago. Right right right. What do you think these changes me? Now for the future of boiling. Well I would assume that in a world where we had games going on that Jim. Boylan would have this season and then probably be released from his duties. I wonder if if the season is canceled. If that changes carnage services. Plan here or just how he has to do things. I if you sort of forced into keeping Jim Boylan around to start the season next year which is a good whatsoever. Lowry MARKKANEN trae mentioned. Was it's been a good month for April but Larry Market in has reportedly said that he's been unhappy in his role and that's probably the only other than the Utah Jazz which will get to the only on-court thing which has been an issue since the corona virus has stopped the league. Nobody has really been talking about Larry Market. Apparently it doesn't like his role under Jim Boylan because he's become a jump shooter and that's where all his shots are coming are coming from from three point territory so I wouldn't WanNa see Jim. Boylan Lauri Markkanen. Likely the brightest star young star. And besides Zach Levine Kobe to some degree be upset going into next season. So for me. If I'm a bulls fan I would like to see them get going now because I think that would mean Jim. Boylan likely to be relieved of his duties before next season as a guarantee. Because that's the issue with with the Bulls is that and who the heck knows what this front office is going to do. As I said it's a family business. It's sort of like the Lakers situation. But it doesn't feel like the Bulls were GonNa pull in Lebron James or Anthony Davis some way some or somehow so in the front office really. It's just it's just a question. Mark and it's nice to see maybe carnage vis can be a a new messiah. Usually like he was pulled from the nuggets. But if he's not allowed to do what he's supposed to do Like Messiah was in Toronto. Then really it all goes for not so. That's the scenario to me. Trae as a bulls fan. Do you have like a GM in mind that you would love to see in Chicago? And Aura coach. All I know is that I don't want Jim. Boylan to be the coach. Because initiatives comes in and he immediately says we have a good young core. And that's exactly what I thought heading in to this. Nba SEASON. But then you see boiling out there. Coaching these guys. Obviously Markkanen was unhappy with his role. Basically became Zach Levine. Trying to do everything for the team in everybody's development was stunted and I do think that's because they've had the worst coach in the NBA for eighteen months. It's really hard to say if the Bulls have a good core like is Kobe white going to be a player who can contribute to winning. Or is he going to be a guy that scores thirty off the bench? One game and then six off the bench. The next game. Xactly being going to take the next step to being from the all-star fringe to a guy who's reliable number-one option I don't know. Will we see the lowery market that people excited during his rookie year? Where he was flying around the court blocking shots making plays off the dribble. Or is he just going to be a corner? Jump shooter with boiling at the head. I don't think we're going to learn anything of that. So as long as there's somebody who has a little bit more respect on the NBA level. I think that'd be huge from the Bulls just from seeing what we'd got standpoint. So so your answer to that. Is Abe anybody but boiling anybody? I don't know who the coach will be but I wouldn't be surprised if if Canada this has a look at Bobbi Webster from the raptors to be the GM. He's got a very very good reputation in Toronto under massage and that could be sort of hiring that he makes another young guy who's got he's done a very good reputation and maybe wants to build a little something this so bobby bobby bobby is just a matter of time before it gets his job. There's no question in my mind. Bobby. Been interviewing with. He has been no. It hasn't been interviewing with anybody but I know that that people respect him a lot throughout the league and massage remember. If he was going to New York he was apparently wanted to take him with him. So Masai regards in very very highly but again it's like side Jerry when he was in Denver. It's just a matter of time if you do good work before another team says. Hey let's try this guy I think so. I wouldn't have reportedly been interested in Bobby. So maybe maybe yeah. I think they're definitely going to try. And like you were saying they're Li get as their new. Gm and who knows what's coach but one of these younger sort of guys has been either an assistant jam or lower on the ranks to pair sort of organization that makes sense to me and there's obviously no shortage of names and probably talented people out there that they can try and put but isn't the carnage serviceman making the decisions here. It seems like he he would be the one making the decisions in a in a perfect world. That's why they hired him. They hired him to hire another guy like Bobbi Webster. I mean body webster would be awesome. But I don't imagine he wants to go from being a number two at the raptors to a number two with the Bulls. He probably going to be a number one guy somewhere but at the very least seems like Karnishovas is bringing in people that he wants and rather than people that the Bulls are saying. Hey He's been around for a while. Let them stick around Joe Kelley at the Sun. Times said that just getting rid of form and we'll help the Bulls reputation league wide. Because you remember as when Jimmy Butler left his. His trainer came out and said. I don't trust those guys Gar. Forman has the worst morals of any person I've ever met. And that has stuck with the Bulls since then so maybe just getting rid of gar helps. I don't know either way I'm excited. You know something new is happening. And there's a tiny grateful dead connection as karnishovas played on the Lithuanian national team. That was sponsored by the grateful that there's a Michael Jordan connection because you can see pictures of hens sitting on the sidelines as Lithuania. Plays against team. Usa and Karnishovas is taking pictures with a camera from the sideline. It's an exciting time in Chicago. Happy for you I really. That's the biggest one of the year for the balls. Yeah you're right now. All right well we will see what ultimately comes in there and if a coaching changes made. I'm with YOU GUYS. Boiling Will Not Be Coaching the Chicago Bulls next season. That would be my opinion. And we'll see who is our next one here guys. This is a by way of wind horse if there comes a point when the NBA enacts a plan maybe to fire up to twenty one thousand twenty and if that happens there will reportedly be as three and a half week window for players and teams to prepare to play ball ESPN's. Brian Windhorst says the League looking at Twenty Five Day returned abascal window that would feature eleven days for individual workouts in a with social distancing measures in place and then another fourteen days for team training camps before return to actual gains. Let's start with you again this is. Espn's Brian Windows is reporting that. If we do get ball coming back it will will. They'll get the clearance but it's GonNa take like three and a half weeks before games even play. Do you think that's realistic at all? Well I think that's sort of what the League has to do because players have been kept apart from each other. So there's they haven't really been out of work as a team so you imagine a Lotta guys are working on their their own health and fitness. But you need to get back around going over drills going over routines and getting back into that rhythm and also just being out on the court together but having combined this with the news we found out at the start of the show. Here with Karl Anthony towns mother. Personally I think I don't think I'm I'm working on the scenario that we will not see basketball again this season because I just can't see what would happen if these teams get back together and then all of a sudden we find that someone other player or somebody within the organization has the virus again because that is just going to cost so many more problems I mean. What do you do then? Do you have to shut the league down so I think the League is probably got multiple scenarios in play here but they realize that if they do get back to playing guys are going to need some time to get back in shape so this is the sort of minimum time. It's GonNa take them before they're ready but then we're already where the playoff should have started on satellite for for this weekend. You had another month to that and we're at least minimum sort of a month away from any sort of action right now. It's going to drag into August September and I just don't think that's going to happen so personally. I think this season is a write off and even even getting even sort of spilling over into next season right now. I think because we don't even I don't even think we're at the top of the of the virus right now. I think there's still so much more to come for this so the NBA understands clearly that the play is not each other. They're not ready to go. They're not GONNA be ready to go within a week. They GONNA need a lot of time whenever we do get back to playing but as I say I think that's GonNa be a long long way from now. Well I think what this report win horses basically saying it is going to be a long time from now because this whole twenty five day window here. It's not even. Hey we're going to be in camp for twenty five days it's going to be basically half of it. Eleven of the twenty five days is going to be. You're on your own what you're doing right now. It's the exact same thing as what you're doing right now but we're getting serious. We're getting closer to actually plan. So that means when we're close we'll let you know and you kind of have ten days eleven days on your own do your thing and then you have two week training camp so to me. It's it's that's the warning period this is. This is nowhere close to happening and we're not close to the scenario with with the NBA or the sports worlds or the conversations going on win horses closer. He's been swung according to the article from being pessimistic too optimistic. But it's not. We're in April and this is a long time. It is a long time from now it could be July Ish August dish. There's time so We'll be chilling for a while and and I mean this really. This really seems like if there's anything if there are games going to be played there's going to be. It's going to be a shortened playoff season. Everything's GonNa be crushed. It's GONNA be a different type of schedule if we do get basketball this season. Yeah and I'm sure we're here a lot of these kind of plans as the as the shutdown continues right. We're going to be hearing every sort of proposal the NBA has for being able to come back because the NBA is going to want to be ready to come back whenever it is finally able to be done. The general consensus was that it would be four to six weeks for players to get back in shape to play games. And they're getting three and a half is pretty close before so I mean we will see if it actually transpires if we get some games but there's no doubt that the NBA has plans in action to be able to fire this up if it ever is able to be fired up. Yeah and I think it's important to note too. I mean this is wind horses reporting. We've heard from Commissioner Adam silver directly and he has just flat out said. No decision is going to be made on any of this until May So that's you know I'm sure behind the scenes. Of course I'm not doubting windhorst reporting here. But that's what he told us we don't even know you're not gonNA address this until. May which is of course a couple weeks away. The other thing is baxter homes. You know here had reported a lot of team officials. He had talked to. Yeah he said they said Yeah. We need at least a month long period to sort of help players get physically back in shape. Prepare for that lay off to avoid a bunch of injuries. I just think even though if the NBA comes back. And I'm doubtful just like you guys. That even does this season. I don't think you're getting twenty five days. I really don't. I know you would want that. I know you want a month I get it. I get why you would want it. 'cause you don't want ugly basketball and and the fear of injuries with some of these guys like Jayson. Tatum just said he hasn't touched a basketball. He was just on the jump with Rachel Nichols is since the shutdown is barely touched a basketball so these guys are like not all of them are gonNA be in shape. I get that but at the same time if this gets pushed back further and further and further and there is then some glimmer of hope that we can have some regular season and playoffs. I don't think you're GONNA get another month to then lead up to it. I really don't I think it's going to be more in the ten to fourteen day sort of window. It has to be shorter. And but that's sort of what it is those escapes not to get into semantics but when horses anger getting two weeks with the team and okay so you're saying that that eleven days prior is just them saying hey guys we're getting close to coming back so if you haven't been doing your individual workouts start doing them right yeah warning you might instead of going from virtual. Hey I've got my trainer on Zoom. He can meet you somewhere eight feet away and get it on or something to that effect. It's it's really just a two week camp but a little warm up period before there's GonNa be no advantage to teams coming out of this. I mean really. I mean everybody's going to be in the same boat. It's going to likely be some pretty ugly basketball and quite frankly maybe some dangerous but maybe they just. Everybody agrees that. Take it a little easier with these guys. They're they're minutes aren't ramped up. Who knows it's just going to be. It's an even even playing field at the very least of everybody coming back from this. Obviously weird situation. If if it's like. Oh we gotta have basketball. We gotTA finish this season. We will see but I thought there was one part in Baxter's piece. I guess it was from a Western Conference. Gm named he said people forget how much these guys are actually getting treated everyday talking about. The players preventively treated so not to heal but to prevent injury. And that's what's been missing. It is a fair point that I don't think I'd really even thought of you in terms of like just these training staff. It's a bunch of preventive treatment to apply to these guys so they don't get injured because of the physical rigors of playing basketball so and that's in theory they don't have that I don't know maybe Lebron's somehow got his own personal physical trainer there that he's been quarantined with this entire time. That seems doubtful to me. But that's a that's a fair point. Get basketball though be prepared. It's going to be ugly. I doubt it is but what ugly basketball is still basketball so I think we would all take it. If we can get to that safe part where we I mean. We Watch two hours of horse this week and we're going to watch another two. Yeah no problem. Do you think you've been working on your game more than some. Nba Players. Well certainly on the little got here in the in the driveway assured yeah yeah up by shooting beating up the seven eight year. Old Kid so You know it's great but I am happy to see a little bit of progress with my own son. Because he now ten free throws in a row the other day which was on the line already. Yeah exactly I said Just just launched shut up first and then start going around the room but yeah so I was pretty happy. And he's working on his handles and everything so you know silver lining to all this. Of course 'cause Trae I've never seen dribble more in your life than you walking around with the basketball right now exactly right. How in the world has Jason? Tatum not touched a basketball in a month. And grab a basketball when you go for lock it's fun. There's nothing better to do you. You're not going to be touching anything just dribble around. You'll look like Pistol Pete in that movie crossing up anyone imaginary imagine elderly. 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Donovan Mitchell saying that they recently spoke for the first time since Gobert tested positive for the corona virus and triggered the suspension of the NBA season. This is coming on the heels of course of a fantastic lengthy athletic article from Shams. Sam Amick and Tony Jones breaking down. How that all went down sort of the days leading up in that night of the NBA shutting down and within that there was this nugget from that athletic article that the jazz had already begun working on that Mitchell Gobert relationship but sources say Mitchell remains reluctant to fix what might have been broken. It doesn't appear salvageable one source with knowledge of the situation said haven't heard a lot from Mitchell on this but Gobert as I said over the weekends or saying no no. They have now talked but let. Let's start with you. What what's your I mean. Who knows we're sort of guessing but are you fearsome? If you're a jazz fan that this may be can't be saved and eventually we'll have to make a decision of sort of who you go with. Guerrero Mitchell yeah. We're definitely talking about He said he and we have no idea about the relationship. And do you even need a relationship to win championships together? Probably not but I'm less optimistic about from Ruby. Goh Bear the perspective Rudy. Gobert saying. Hey Yeah we're all good. Things are things are never perfect. And I'm a little bit more pessimistic. Donovan Mitchell coming out in his interview immediately after everything happened with rubare contracting the virus on Good Morning America on ABC and not downplaying the the the rift whatsoever If anything he played it up and so there's a big opportunity here on national. Tv THIS IS ABC. They're just waiting for you to say it's not his fault but he didn't extend olive branch whatsoever and so I think there's there's room to be concerned that it's it's extends more beyond just hey. We're not buddies. It's more it's more of a scenario on the basketball court. Rubare has kind of had his head down and not been all that pumped playing offense and often playing defense and so I would be concerned giving Rudy Gobert a big contract with the way things are going right now if they don't have this season especially if they don't have the season to get things right on the floor then. I think you probably trade him next season. They both have one year left on their contracts Donovan. Mitchell a seems to be the star that you'd want to go with because Rudy Gobert as good a defender as he is he struggles on the other end and he can. He can be thrown into some tough scenarios on the defensive ends where he's stranded on islands and he does move his feet at times and he does get back and he is. He is a really really tough rim-protector but I'd be more comfortable going with Donovan. Mitchell Ford in that scenario Where you have to decide between the two of them so if I'm a jazz fan I'm desperately hoping to see them. Make it work this season because if you go into their contract next year I know. We talked about a few weeks ago on a beach. Stepping podcast how much money do you give to Rudy Gobert? And there's there's talk about. Maybe he's hack sky after winning a defensive player of the year but on this team where they just funnel everything to him defense is designed to give him make him look the best possible But at the same time if he is switching on a defense any is out there on an island and the defense isn't designed for him. I don't know how radius and so I'm reluctant to To say that we're GONNA see this this twosome in Utah going forward. Even though they need rudy to be great and Joe Ingles downplayed it on the athletic. What else is he's supposed to do in in a podcast with Athletic Tony Jones's on the athletic is also kind of sad. That things aren't great. So when when there's sort of that that level of divide in the media then that kind of to me that means that it's not a great scenario going on behind closed doors. Yeah it hasn't been a good season for Rudy Gobert. Because what is known for his defense and he has been exposed a few times this season when the jazz were playing. Well when they had that good hot streak when they didn't have a really tough stretch of apartments you know he played well then but otherwise. A couple of times rudy looked a little bit at a place now because he was an all star on the defensive player of the year awards easy. He's entitled to five years and around two hundred and fifty million all that that obviously change considering the salary cap going to take a big drop in the next year or two but he still provides enormous value when he is playing well. So it's a tough spot here for the jazz because you don't have Mitchell's fantastic. But he's not a true point out either so they've got a few issues there. I do think they probably ultimately saw it with Mitchell. If they have to decide out of one of those two guys but that's the positive for that then for the jazz is they should get significant value in return for trade for Rudy. Because I think there'll be a lot of teams interested in because what he provides is is quite valuable at his best but a lot of players You have an up and down you know throughout your career have ups and downs and Ironically. Rudi made the All star team this year and both of them did whereas last couple years where he seemed closer and he was very upset when he didn't make it better season. So it's a tough spot but personally I think there are still plenty of time for this to be salvageable. I I do because we don't know for sure. Anyway if rudy gave it to Donovan. O'donovan gave it to rudy or neither of them go to anyway. Donovan was clearly upset because of the way rudy behaved in the locker room. You know sort of careless and touching everyone stuff which understandable but I think in the big picture. There's enough time for the Jazz Front Office and the ownership to sit down and say okay. It was silly it happened. But let's look what we've got he goes. You know we've got a good base for team. Let's see if we can overcome this move forward so I don't think it's It's the end of Rudy and Donovan and Rudy in Utah for sure. I think the sign for the jazz and I think that will still be their focus that they would rather keep those two guys together in my opinion whether or not they decide to give rudy the mats contract might be the ultimate deciding factor. They might say we don't want to give him that huge money. So we'll trade him but if rudy is almost like understanding that one the supermax then maybe the middle ground there and and maybe they can go forward so I think the still enough time here for the jazz to sort this out. I would like to hear if there was any sort of a rift before. Yes because like tassels mentioning it seemed like Mitchell and go bare. Were not necessarily on the same page. Throughout the season there were lots of times where Rudy would be wide open underneath the basket and wouldn't get the ball just because I don't know maybe Donovan didn't see him or maybe he thought another play was the the right play. It just didn't seem like go. Bear was as involved in the offense as he would've liked to ben which then maybe lead to some waning effort on the defensive end. The jazz went from second in defense last year. When Jae crowder and Derrick favors were still around to help out. They kind of put all their chips in the rudy. Gobert basket this year. And there's still a good defense. He's still a valuable impactful defensive player but they're down to eleventh now he can't do it all on his own and if there was any sort of rift before the virus took hold. Maybe this exacerbates it. We need to hear from Donovan Mitchell. It's good to hear from Rudy. Gobert that they've talked that they're still devoted to winning championship together because the two of them are a good mix as a pick and roll partnership and go bears able to make up for some of Mitchell's deficiencies on the defensive end. But that's different than saying we're friends. We can't wait to be around each other and see each other again. Is Donovan Mitchell if Donovan Mitchell is the one that's mad? We need to hear from him that he's not mad anymore. Yeah Yeah because like I said I agreed. You don't need to be best friends to win a title or have success in the NBA. But you do have to. You got to respect each other and you know you're going to war every night with that with that guy out there so that is gone then. That's an issue and you're probably going to have to make a decision but exactly what you said. Tk Is this for the lack of a better word is Mitchell using the corona virus hitting go bear and then the team is he using it as an excuse to to force the jazz hands of like. Hey me or him or I even want to hear. That's what I want to know and we won't know that until we actually hear from Mitchell. Really speak on it. Yeah he did that thing with a WHO say good morning America way back in the day but otherwise he's been pretty damn quiet on all of this so yeah this is so. Let me ask you this. So let's say it can't be saved. Says it probably can still? They're going to try. Sure are you guys will start with you trade. If you had to pick between right now rudy Gobert or Donovan. Mitchell moving forward given the big paycheck to and you can only have one of them. If you're the jazz are is that an automatic Mitchell. Do you think maybe it's actually go bare. Where do you fall in that for me? It's auto donohoe because he's going to be so much cheaper. He's going to be restricted. Free agent. Coming off of his rookie contract so his Max while it is still Amax for him at Andt as big as Rubio bears and you know you need somebody who can score to win in the NBA. It's great to have a good defense but as we've seen with the jazz there have been times when they haven't been able to get their offense going. I just think you'd be a little bit nervous about paying forty million dollars to Rudy Gobert. When he's thirty two years old when we're already seeing there may be a ceiling to this to task. Same question what do you think no doubt? Non even ponder but not even ponder but. Can we agree that like? Is it an argument right now? At least like who's more important to the jazz in terms of winning games right this moment beat rudy or Mitchell in terms of the way they play and I think I think that's an argument for players based on today like I mean they're both solid all star players who are in the top twenty five in the League. One of them gives you an offensive hub in one of them makes your defence a solid defense. Even if it's maybe not the greatest defense in the league anymore It's definitely it's definitely a tough call between who is more vital to winning for the jazz right now because the other thing is they do work well together when they're on the court and when they're on the same page that's that's the tough thing if they're able to figure things out and get their chemistry back to where it has been in the past if they're able to. Donovan Mitchell able to figure out how to play off the ball. So that ingles and go bear are able to to work there. Pick and roll magic. It certainly works the building. The framework is there just seems to be a little rotten the foundation. Yeah are you a no brainer that you would go with Mitchell over rudy? Gobert for the future. Yeah I mean not a no brainer but but I guess I would lean towards Mitchell but I mean he's still GonNa work on his game as well because as he's sort of played point. I mean they got Mike. Conley into trotter. Ease a little bit of the workload there for him. But he's more scoring guard than a true point God and he needs to shut selection at times is still a little bit iffy but he's young. He's got plenty of time to work on that. But you know with Rudy Gobert. Do you look at this season. And see this is a blip on the on the career off that he was because he was a very dominant player defensively who needed to improve his offensive game. Or maybe this is the ceiling. You know. Maybe it's like okay again. As I said he's going to be in a lot of demand a lot of teams are going to want to go. He can protect the rim. The way that Rudy. Kennedy's best so I think there'll be a lot of trade value at their form. But do you want to pay that guy potentially fifty odd million in three or four and four or five each time? And that's probably what's going to hold the jazz back. Owed think because you know. That's what he could be entitled to which is just crazy money when you think about it but of course in five years time there'll be a lot of gardening that sort of money so I think You know for the jazz. They you know I was one of the people who thought coming to the season. They really should be contending for second or third in the West. But that hasn't been the case I don't think It's been a great season for them. And a part of it. A big part of it as being that Rudy hasn't been out a really stamped on the defensive end which I think a part of that is the fact that derrick favors isn't there who was an incredibly underrated defender not the sort of athletic rim-protector that we saw but just go. He knew how to position his body. And who the jazz really relied on to body up a few guys so It's a it's an interesting decision. That the jazz after Mike but I think ultimately if they I can choose one over the other. They would side with Mitchell. Even though it wouldn't be a wouldn't be without a long discussions. Yeah just to push back on that a little bit. You said there early because I'm with you. I think a lot of us were very high on the jazz coming into this season. And they haven't blown US away but you know forty one and twenty three when when we got shut down the last three games back from the second seed from the and you'll even less than the nuggets so what you just said that two three seat is what you pictured in your mind as the Jazz Walter. Basically right there look have their standings in front of me but it felt like the jazz but the good thing beat the bad teams quite well but struggled against the good teams I'm going to see if I can if I can pull this. Never took them as a as after this season started to unfold as a legitimate title contender. Were not that great in your opinion against some of the big winning streak. I mean most of the team beat up a lot of crappy teams and then and then they just they just struggled in. You know from what we've seen on them in the playoffs particularly last season they needed to be a much more convincing team this season and I don't think they were so again at their best. You know I think they are very very capable very very good but they certainly weren't doing that this season enough and enough Nina consistently said the record great record. A lot of things will have love to have that record but I think if you scratch the surface a little bit you kind of it doesn't really reflect what their position is in the league. I mean well you're a match up who digest against teams below five hundred eleven fifteen against teams five hundred and above the stats man. Just go on that beautiful rainiers go sort of does backup Casey. They just weren't that convincing against good teams but to water in order to win. Forty one games and be twenty three. You gotTa Take Care of that. Crap teams that's teams through so anyway. I think it's funny with the jazz when I look back. I mean if feels like Mitchell's been there a lot longer than he has. Just because he came onto the scene nowhere he was such an impactful player right away but the jazz one fifty one games in the season before Mitchell even showed up. I mean. That's what the Gordon Hayward all that goes of course still a backbone in that defense at the time they were good damn team and they've been dig the similar team since Mitchell's been there. I think it was forty. Eight wins and then fifty wins so like still right there. They just haven't taken it to the next level and we keep thinking every year that they're going to become more of an upper echelon team not just a really good team and they have it and maybe not even this year as well so you know you can't Dhingra agreeing that you don't WanNa lock in massive massive massive money to both those guys if you're plateau with the way they're currently made up is a fifty one team that maybe gets to the second round right. I mean it's your own first round or maybe you get to the second round and not all that serious moving on but we will see decisions maybe to be made or maybe they can make this all work. We gotta wait to really hear from Mitchell. I think on this one right a couple more guys according to the New York Daily News Thompson but oh is confident. He'll be back coaching next season. And he's been asking around the League for advice on the best opportunity. It's unclear right now. Where tips might land or which teams may be. He's eyeing the Knicks and the nets could be possible destinations after both those clubs fired their their bench bosses during the nineteen twenty campaign. Hey maybe it's the bulls after Boylan gets fired. Someone's GonNa make that joke. Who's GonNa Sorry? Sorry in getting to the even the piece of news here but this isn't huge news. We thought for a while the bill would wanNA come back. Is there a particular spot where you'd like to see him? I mean maybe the rockets have an opening to. There's other teams that you know. Obviously there could be eventually down the line a coach spot available. What about what do you think about tibbs coming back? Second highest winning percentage in bulls history and for a long time the long the best winning percentage in bulls history. Come on back baby raised basement. I assume that things have changed for Tom Photo. He is asking people their opinions Maybe when he's asking these people their opinions on jobs they're also mentioned in. Hey man if you're coming back next year you can't play everybody forty five minutes a game you gotta give some run to the Tony Snell's and Marquees teabags out there. Just let them get a little bit of a run. Get your guys a breather. Things will definitely have to change. But Oh but I think he's a good a good coach. He's a guy that's GonNa make your team better because they're gonNA be bought in defensively and playing a defensive system The League no doubt caught up to the system but he's had a couple of seasons out now. I assume he's probably band visiting practices. We know that has happened in the past so he's probably strategizing for what his team would look like whenever it is. I don't necessarily know that. He's the perfect coach for the balls but I wouldn't be mad. If they brought him back. The team would be better. There's no doubt. I don't think I wouldn't be excited if if he was a coach. Your team I don't think he can change at sixty two years old and he's been a lifelong coach and his coach that same way forever and it's fine that he's asking Iran and maybe seeking advice as to how can get back into the league but if you look at what happened in Chicago Minnesota Kinda the same thing like he drove his plays into the ground. He's plays didn't really lock it in the end because he was going to hot in practice not true. Jimmy Butler always loved it. Well yeah they did for a while. But then of course. He didn't like it after when he got to Minnesota. So I I think. Unfortunately the time has passed for tips. I thought he did. He'd look when he came into Chicago. He did really well. They achieve something they got to the playoffs and had an MVP and defensive player of the year but ultimately he styled just doesn't really gel anymore with the NBA. He's too much of an old school guy so I personally it's one thing to say you're going to change. But I just can't see tips. I remember spoke to Nick Fruit L. One day when he was on the Bulls and he said that the thing with tips was just every day he just said work harder. Work how to work harder and constantly guy now saying you know what I'm GonNa ease up a little bit so I wouldn't be excited all if if he was coach of one of my teams have thirty of them so it wouldn't be any tips possibly coming back to coach. Well Sixty two is the new forty two no big deal. You want your coach to say work less hard. I wanted to coach to be able to adapt a little bit different now. It's not like they were when he started coaching. You know thirty years ago and and also even see someone like Doc rivers. I think is a good example of a guy who learned to adjust because he's been known to be a coach who doesn't practice a lot because he feels that he's play his. You know as long as I. Stay in shape. They need to conserve their energy for games whereas Tibbs to me came across the other that is like old school practice practice practice to as the gym you the day after a back to back and a team like the Knicks. Need someone like exactly actually come out and say hey we say what what are your career. All he has done is one in his career. He won more than fifty percent of his games and all but two of his seasons he took the Minnesota Timberwolves to the playoffs for the first time. In fifteen years yeah but ultimately you're going to say but in the end e ways plays Dan physically and emotionally who cares? They will fire him eventually. Enjoy the four years of your team getting better and better and actually learning how to play NBA defense. I design thinking gels anymore and I just don't think that that's the sort of thing that plays going to respond to any more myself. I mean plays a different if they've come through different systems now and then you have an old gorgeous yelling screaming at you and and just making you work so hard in practice Popovich Fan. But he's changed as well Popovich. Whose shown over time that he's he doesn't do a lot of practising on on off is anymore he looks to keep these guys fresh so he's adapted he's game to the stars of the League. The Spurs became a good three point. Shooting League team even though Pop Heights a three pointer so some guys can adapt and adjust over time. I just don't think too but I was one of those. He just needs a little Kombucha and he'll change young man again in new revitalize look on life and it may be the last couple years has humbled him to some degree being out of a job you know. He went from the Bulls job directly into the timber. Wolves Job Frahm tencent purposes and. Maybe maybe made fresh helped him to slow down. And that's why I mentioned the Kombucha. Maybe you just want something disgusting on your Palate to change it up. He needs to chill out with Phil Jackson for all. Maybe just start smoking joints and maybe that'll calm him down a little bit because he seems like a fairly highly highly strung guy and conceding power. I think is his problem. That's that's where I think it's the the issue that he doesn't want to give up too much of the lesser rawls. Like he doesn't like to relinquish any powder the players or is even his assistant coaches. He likes to control everything. And you've got to be a little bit more democratic that they've I think they've done a great job and yet great players no question but Steve. Kerr hide guys who he felt would allow Ron Adams. Who would actually help him understand. When to go hot and winter we often players. And you'll never guess who run. Adams used to work with Lee Tom. Dividend. That's right. So you're telling me this guy doesn't collaborate op saying. I'd feel that he finds it a little bit harder to a let let other guys have the voice in the locker room. I don't think other coaches do that. Again Gregg Popovich is a good example. I think he lets his his players and he senior plays contribute whereas tips to me the fact that he upset Jimmy Butler who they had a great reputation together tells me that that you know at the end tapes pisses off everybody and I think that's that's GonNa be the problem So personally I mean look. There's no debt who could come in and shoot improve a team defense. Although Minnesota's defense didn't improve all that much when he was when he was if I remember correctly but he's GonNa he's GonNa be sort of discipline with these guys. But it's a bit like the Scots gyles thing. He's good for a year or so and then all of a sudden guys just start tuning a map because it's that same droning message that that goes. Don't respond to it in the same way that they used to. Maybe in the In the eighties. Now picture a stoned tips on the sidelines. Shouting ice different when I will say to put button on the tips talk here. I can't picture him. I could be wrong but I can't picture coaching the nets with Katie. That seems like it wouldn't work all that well but maybe I'm wrong. I mean can you imagine if on off after Back Tobacco? Four and five and tips. 'cause a coat of training the next day at Practice Kevin Durant Kyrie Irving and those guys just like no man. That's not how it goes. We need to. We need to rest. That's the sort of thing that senior players they won't put up with younger players who are not experience and haven't been around the league very long wouldn't really know any difference but seeing you guys are not gonna put up with that. I don't know that's why the Knicks could be a you know a possibility to me because they've been garbage for so long they could use some damn defense they had maybe some guys that look like they could play some great defense you know in. Frankie icy stare Mitchell Robinson. And so unlike you have identity system put in place. I. They're going to be more successful. We agree with that but I still hear you leave the idea of like Tim's might come in for a year or two and yeah things are fine and then they get tired of them. Sure that doesn't happen every coach. Yeah of course. Of course I mean. There's a handful that don't what's it's like. Two years is like the average coach. Expectancy whatever you WANNA call it who've been there long expulsion Rick Carlisle. I think they've figured out a way to sort of communicate with younger players. Older players So you know. There are some coaches who've been successful. But you know the way that the way that It went with tapes to me is like I can't see him changing if he can change good on him and I'm sure he can get back in the league but again as we get older we get a little bit stuck in their ways so Trying to get a sixty two year old guard a chill out who's not been to chill throughout his life. I think he's going to be a bit of an obstacle for. You're you're definitely need. I think as well in a market like New York City I mean I can imagine the one chiller places he needs to go to somewhere like I Dunno Indiana where Things are the less spotlight. Let's focus. He can go out there and the The potato farms out there is that where it is moving on now talking about potato sorry headline here. Let's wrap this. I Know Leded Watch this. That's for damn sure nor tonight. Nba Dot Com Devon Booker Wins Nba Two K. Players Tournament. Yeah he won this on Saturday night. Booker took on his teammate. Andrei eaten in the best of three final. Didn't realize it was a best and final. He took it to booker. Said a played a lot growing up. It's all about timing and coordination thing from this booker hundred thousand dollars. Donation to a corona virus related relief effort of his choice. So good on booker. There I know lead in watch so I'm not even asking him tasks or traded you guys watch a second of this thing. You know just a clip online. Maybe I was excited to see the Devon Booker one. Why is that because I didn't know -gratulations him into the Andrea eight nine to the entirety of the Phoenix Suns? It sounds like they are the best Video Game Franchise in the NBA. That's the tournament peaked. Last week when Dem Booker didn't WanNa play as the Phoenix Suns. And if he played with the Phoenix Suns in the in the finals I doubt he does. He had to pick a different team. Used a semi finals. It looks like eight. Did at least eight used them at one point. It doesn't really matter how it was his mistake. Booker I'll say booker. Called his shot on this one. I'll give him credit on that. He said when they set this thing up booker said it'll be me and aiden in the final. He called it. The best players weren't watch it of course because there's nothing more boring watching other people play video games by being real Thompson. Sixty two but I would. I would love to have played this against like these guys when I was back in my NBA. Lives because I was pretty good player. I'd love take them in the NBA player in NBA Lot. So it's I can't believe we just got back in my day about video. I've been football over the mountain. I I like you guys didn't watch second of this thing. Just I wasn't all that interested so I'm going to go off with the ringers. Roger Sherman wrote. This is what he said to be. Blunt. Espn's presentation of the two K. Tournaments sucked spoiling an opportunity to potentially convince casual. Mba FANS TO GET INTERESTED IN TWO K. And the culture around it. The gameplay was dull. The players are less skilled than pro gamers and less entertaining than pro streamers. It also could've used a third party. Announcer highlight some of the choices or funny mistakes players. Were making to sort of live in up dead spots. Can either the guys weren't saying anything? I agree with that. You could have been alive announcer but the players weren't up to par. What is it? What are they? What is the the writer there? Want Roger y you take some courses before they well no. I think the idea is like there's actually professional MBA touquet players and dimes. That league already happens. Yeah I know I know. Maybe he wasn't impressed with the Gameplay test. I don't know what to tell you. Maybe Rogers really good at it. I don't know but he's probably making some points again. I didn't watch the second but from what I've read and seen going around on twitter was pretty dull like these guys talking trash to each other. It wasn't a ton of that because I think we had you know Patrick. Beverley had a couple of clips or maybe you is Patrick. Beverley like but otherwise it was. It was pretty pretty flat. Which will Denver said? He's got great hand eye coordination and timing. That sounds like some great watching to me. I love that line. Great Hand Coordination and timing forever. All you basketball players have great hand coordination timing. Maybe they just needed a hype man because the trash talk moments certainly were good but that only happens a few times a game. So you need somebody. That's just exactly covering up the Dole spots of it. Somebody just said Oh what are you doing? Why are you passing? Why are you bringing Mikhail Bridges in? I don't know something like that. Somebody to get the jokes off because even with horse that was the best part was when the players were talking back and forth to each other. You're not just watching. Somebody play video games at that point. You're seeing people hang out which would have been fun but it was a little bit too much focus on the game and maybe that's because these guys are competitors they're not used to doing it like Ninja on twitch getting these jokes off the whole time. Yeah I would. I'd rather see them play mbH versus each other. You just pair up the teammates actual teammates. Maybe that's how we can bring the Gobert Mitchell back together you'll have them play an MBA jam duo versus some other team gets a better idea actually than just playing. Nba LIVE NBA Two K. Whatever it is because NBA Jam was fun and you could actually watch that and enjoy watching people play that. Yeah Yeah because I think that might just divide Mitchell and go bear more gobert old. Everyone's saying I want a guy who can shoot three as my partner but everyone can shoot on NBA game. You know like I could. I'd love to see rudy got bad do one of those. Big Law Somersault Dunk Smash Okay. I'm just okay boomers. 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The 90s: The Chicago Bulls

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The 90s: The Chicago Bulls

"Due to the graphic nature of these events listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of murder and sex that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. In nineteen ninety, three, thirty, year old Michael Jordan was the most famous basketball player in the world he had three NBA championships with the Chicago Bulls under his belt and no shortage of endorsement deals he was the prize of every company from Nike Gatorade On October six, hundred, ninety, three at nine. AM The bulls training facility was overflowing with reporters Jordan. Had An announcement for them and he was soon flanked by top NBA and bulls brass. It was standing room only for the crowd near the podium Jordan confirmed the rumors crushing the dreams of every reporter, aspiring actor and basketball fan in the country he said. I, have nothing more to prove in basketball. I have no more challenges that I felt I could get motivated for his retirement shocked the NBA basketball fans and the rest of the World Jordan was only thirty and in his prime he had another five years left in him if not more especially since he didn't have any chronic injuries. He was the star of a winning team. Leaving didn't make sense while questions about this puzzling development persisted fans in the press started to wonder if Jordan's retirement was tied to a conspiracy. One that threatened to completely derail the Bulls Championship Dynasty. This is the dark side of apart cast original. A show where we will delve into the CD underbelly of pop culture icons and historical events we aim to expose the ugly truth behind cultural moments and public figures we hold most dear. Proving that there is always more to this story than meets the eye I'm your host. Kate and I'm Richard. This is our eighth episode on the dark side of the nineties. As every decade brings new challenges a rosy tint has started to color these bygone years but all business Tanja obscures more unpleasant pages of nineties history. You can find all episodes of the dark side of. And all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream the dark side of for free on spotify just open the APP tap browse and type the dark side of in the search bar. Today, we're diving into the Chicago Bulls dominance of ninety s NBA basketball equipped with the talent of Michael, Jordan Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman the team won six. Ships over the course of the decade, the Bulls went from failing team to one of if not the top teams in basketball, but their dynasty was plagued with vicious conspiracies, savage betrayal and fractured teammate relationships. We'll dig into how the Bulls rose to basketball dominance right after this. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, the struggling Chicago Bulls were in need of a superstar after the team failed to qualify for the playoffs they looked to their next season. If they could secure someone big in the NBA draft, they might just turn things around. On June nineteenth the Bulls drafted a talented twenty one year old shooting guard named Michael Jordan but Jordan wasn't at New York City's Madison Square Garden to pose for the traditional draft night photos he was training for the nineteen eighty four summer Olympics. In Los Angeles with the USA basketball team back then the International Basketball Federation did NOT ALLOW PROFESSIONAL NBA players to compete in the Games so team USA was mostly composed of college basketball stars like Jordan though he'd already won an NC double a. Ship with University of North Carolina Tar heels. Jordan wasn't content to hang back in the college league. He left school a year early to go pro and he'd start building his fame long before he joined the Bulls. Throughout the nineteen eighty-four Olympics. Jordan led the talented team in scoring and dazzled TV viewers at home. His Slam dunks defied gravity to watch him play was a show unlike any other and fans loved every minute of it. On August Tenth Nineteen eighty-four Team USA won the gold medal against Spain. Thanks to Jordan the top scorer. The victory afterglow was still fresh. Small Athletic Company named Nike offered Jordan his own shoe line air. Jordan. This was a huge deal for a rookie who hadn't even stepped foot on an NBA court yet. The Popular Legend holds that the NBA find Jordan five, thousand dollars for every game sported Air Jordan's the shoes bold colors broke the league's white sneaker rule. This isn't entirely true according to the Chicago Tribune the shoes Jordan war during the nineteen eighty five season were just regular Nike sneakers as the Real Air Jordans were still in the process of being manufactured but Nike capitalized on the controversy anyway. Ads for the sneakers told those at home that the real reason the NBA band, the shoe was because it was so revolutionary aside from the Air Jordans debacle Jordan grew frustrated for other reasons. The Detroit Pistons kept beating the Bulls in the playoffs squashing his chances of championship glory. But soon to keep people arrived in Chicago that made all the difference small forward Scottie Pippen and head coach Phil Jackson. Pippen was Jordan's favourite teammate and Jackson had a plan to overcome Detroit the triangle offense with it. Jordan Pippen and the Bulls became absolutely unstoppable in the nineties. The Bulls finally beat Detroit in the one, thousand, nine, hundred, one playoffs and advanced to the NBA finals for the first time in franchise history. But the Bulls next opponent was none other than the winningest team of the nineteen eighties the Los Angeles Lakers. Twenty eight year old was pitted against one of his idols thirty one year old Lakers superstar Irvin Magic Johnson Jordan versus Johnson was basketball's David vs Goliath. Defying all expectations, the Bulls beat the Lakers winning its first. NBA Championship on June twelfth. Nineteen ninety-one once the champagne and confetti were gone Jordan and the Bulls were ready to defend their title against Johnson, the Lakers and the rest of the League. The Bulls wanted to make the statement that they were not a fluke. But right before the nineteen ninety, one, nineteen, ninety-two season, and the rematches that would come with it. Johnson was missing from an October preseason exhibition game hosted by the Utah Jazz. Johnson was on his way back to Los Angeles at the request of Lakers management. The results from his routine physical exam were in. And he'd failed. It didn't make sense to the team Johnson was healthy and in his prime. But on October Twenty Fifth Nineteen ninety-one. The Lakers doctor told Johnson the news. He was HIV positive. This would soon progress into eights. Back in the early nineteen, ninety s people who contracted HIV had little hope for survival long-term drug treatments for the virus didn't exist yet in nineteen, ninety-one, ten, million people worldwide contracted HIV and one million were Americans. The Myth that HIV was a game end sexually transmitted disease didn't help either in fact, even in the nineties, the public still widely misunderstood HIV. So the stigma continued even as heterosexual men women and babies contracted through blood transfusions and breastfeeding. Because there was still so much unknown about the disease. The doctors advised Johnson to stop playing basketball to protect his own immune system and his teammates the Lakers star agreed. On November Seventh Nineteen ninety-one, the thirty, two year old Johnson announced his retirement and revealed his HIV status at a Los Angeles press conference. He assured reporters that his pregnant wife Cookie, and their unborn child did not have the virus in retiring Johnson was trading one position of leadership. For another he pledged to become an advocate for V and shatter the stigma. Surrounding it naturally news of the most high profile heterosexual celebrity with HIV sent shockwaves around the sports world and beyond Johnson's Lakers, teammates and fans worried his time was limited. But in just a few weeks, public concern turned into wild speculation without a statement from Johnson on how he contracted the virus rumors swirled that he was secretly gay or bisexual but to. Be, an advocate in Johnson's mind meant telling the truth no matter. How uncomfortable a few months later thirty, two year old Johnson admitted on ABC's Primetime live that he had harems of women during the height of the Lakers one, thousand, nine, hundred eighties success he engaged in sex with them in the locker room right after games whose admissions tarnished his once wholesome. Image. But Johnson wanted to own up to his mistakes in his autobiography. My Life Johnson acknowledged his sexual debauchery was how he got infected but he still didn't know who it came from. It didn't matter though the former Lakers player moved past being the NBA's wholesome hero and embraced his new image a man working hard to reform himself and the HIV. Stigma. Meanwhile, basketball needed a new hero and Michael Jordan stepped up to that role. He was expected to be the perfect basketball player, the smiling product spokesperson and a heroic figure to everyone at all times. What could possibly go wrong Next. Jordan. Struggles under the high pressure of the spotlight. 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Report and there twenty, four, seven, professional monitoring and emergency dispatch starts at fifty cents a day head to simplisafe dot com slash dark side, and get a free hd camera. That's simplisafe. Dot Com slash dark side to make sure they know that our show sent you. Hi, it's Kate. If you haven't had a chance to check out the podcast conspiracy theories yet, there's no better time to dig into this mysterious spotify original from podcast. You know the phrase there are two sides to every story. Well, what if two sides became three or four or more, and what if some of those sides seem more logical than the explanations you've been led to believe are true Every Monday and Wednesday conspiracy theories takes a curious look at some of the most questionable and questioned happenings in history hosts. Mali, and Carter Explorer theories linked to the mind control methods of Project M. K. Ultra the time changing phantom dark age, the death and life of to punctuate Shukor and more. They also have a thrilling, four parts special coming up on the Oklahoma City bombing that you do not want to miss. From the craziest controversies, possible cover-ups, they leave no stone unturned and no skeptic on heard. Because the truth is sometimes, there's more to a story than just the truth. Follow conspiracy theories free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story. After a spectacular debut with the Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan was not just an exalted a rookie but a basketball icon. especially. After his own idol Magic Johnson stepped out of the spotlight to advocate for HIV awareness with Jordan as the NBA's new role model. All is in America were on him and that meant he became the face of American capitalism whether he liked it or not. Every kid woke up to a wheaties box with Jordan's Mug printed on it at the mall they I'd the latest pair of Air Jordan's at footlocker. They'd wear those new. Sneakers to play basketball and drink gatorade while humming the browns infectious jingle if I could be like Mike but not everyone wanted to be exactly like Mike he was famous but he wasn't perfect. He had his vices Jordan liked to engage in vicious trash talk to motivate his teammates and himself while the brands broadcast his nice guy smiled to the world Jordan dished out harsh insults to push the bulls to play better it often worked. Play full burn soon turned into a feud with one teammate in particular twenty-seven-year-old power forward, Horace Grant. Jordan's suspected that grant was the anonymous source who contributed to a nineteen ninety-two. Tell all book about him called the Jordan rules by journalists Sam Smith. The book painted. As a volatile player who allegedly punched teammate will perdue and sabotaged Bill Cartwright's in game passing. It was the first scandal in Jordan's career. Suddenly he had a target on his back everyone wanted to profit on his fame and take him down. But this time Jordan shut it off and his bulls teammates stood by him. They called the book pure. Fiction. Grant. Also denied providing any information to Smith. Jordan held ill-will for grant for many years, but he was skilled in using grudges to feed his. Drive to win. Jordan's competitive streak permeated his hobbies off the court. He was always itching bet money on something whether it was on a card game or a cartoon race broadcast on the arena's jumbotron. Jordan loved high stakes gambling. He'd always invite his teammates to play cards with him but his wagers were too heavy unlike his colleagues Jordan got not just a paycheck but millions from endorsement deals not being in the same income bracket as teammates made him feel a little isolated. Jordan struggled with reconciling his own identity with the idealized next spokesperson, the world new and the chasm between his two selves only grew deeper after the Chicago Bulls won their second NBA Championship on June fourteen nineteen, ninety-two. All Jordan wanted to do was be a basketball champion but each trophy placed more expectations and pressure on him. In addition to endorsing brands Jordan was soon expected to do the same for people. Rumors swirled that back in nineteen ninety he refused to endorse Harvey Gantt, a Black Democratic candidate trying to unseat the reviled Republican Senator Jesse Helms of North Carolina. Dance. Campaign New Jordan's seal of approval would mean as renowned black athletes from the state. It would definitely bolster support for the former Charlotte Mayor Jordan however didn't WANNA give into this pressure. He wanted nothing to do with politics and realized speaking out could impact his nike deal. At one point on the Bulls team bus, he related his reasoning. Hey, Republicans buy shoes to. The press caught wind of the remark and Jordan received widespread criticism for prioritizing Nike sales over supporting a black politician especially, because gant eventually lost the election to Helms Jordan denied making the remark for years until recently admitting he did say it ingest he later explained I wasn't a politician when I was playing my sport, I was focused on my craft. He was caught in the frustrating microscopic nature of celebrity where his every move was analyzed and scrutinized including his off the cuff jokes. The attention was becoming too much and Jordan wished he could fade into the background. But even more prying eyes were on Jordan in nineteen, ninety two as he trained for the Summer Olympics in Barcelona Spain. Due to a rule change NBA players were now allowed to play for the US National Basketball Team, of course, the league's greatest players were invited to compete including Jordan. He enjoyed preparing for the Games alongside Scottie Pippen Charles Barkley, Larry Bird, and an unretired magic Johnson. They were nicknamed the Dream Team after practices, Jordan nightly poker games with Pippen Barkley, and Johnson that often went past midnight. Jordan was always looking to buy the pot meaning. He made bet so rich, it forced other players to fold. But part of him was thinking about life beyond the Olympics and Basketball Jordan had been talking veteran sports journalist Mark Van Zyl about writing a book on his career. After an Olympic practice. That's summer Jordan advances in a stairwell confided in him he wanted to quit the NBA and play baseball. The book needed to happen sooner than later to drum up interest in Jordan MLB run. Jordan wanted to continue playing sports, but he also wanted to be on a team where he wasn't Michael Jordan the hero. He just wanted to be one of the guys again he felt physically worn out by basketball and mentally exhausted by the public scrutiny. He later said I'm at that stage in my career and my life that I'd rather get behind closed doors than to be out. There, in the spotlight to be taking shots from everyone that don't know you as a person, it wasn't a question of if but when he'd retire I, Jordan wanted to win his second gold medal at the nineteen ninety two Olympics. Then a third NBA championship with the Bulls, he accomplished the first goal on August eighth. Nineteen. Ninety two when the Dream Team defeated Croatia and the championship game. But on the way to his next NBA Championship, Jordan, faced the biggest threat to his role model reputation yet. In February of Nineteen ninety-three Jordan's gambling habits were exposed to the public of fifty seven thousand dollar check. He wrote to drug dealer and Hustler James Slim Buhler surfaced, and he was eventually questioned in court. Buhler was on trial for money laundering and conspiracy charges and Jordan's check was certainly suspicious. Initially. The basketball star claimed the check was a business loan. But under oath he changed his position. He admitted the money was meant to pay off a gambling debt. Soon. The buzz about his off the court vice only got louder on May first nineteen ninety-three sports executive and Jordan's Gulf Buddy Richard A skegness published an incriminating book called Michael In me our gambling addiction my cry for help. In. It S keenest claim. Jordan. Owed him a staggering one point two, five, million dollars from. Gulf bets. Jordan denied this a feared ruining his meticulously crafted inge and losing his millions in endorsement deals. Nike wouldn't want a Gambler to be the face of their shoes amid the chatter about his gambling Jordan turn the blinders on and focused on the NBA post-season. The Chicago Bulls were poised to win their third championship in a row fans and the media dubbed it a three peat. But late in May of nineteen ninety-three, the Chicago Bulls faced an unfathomable situation they fell behind in the eastern conference finals. The defending champs lost the first two games in a best of seven series against the hard charging new. York Knicks at Madison Square Garden. On Me Twenty Seven Nineteen ninety-three New York Times columnist Dave Anderson blamed the Bulls losses on Jordan's gambling the article detailed that instead of prepping for game to the Bulls Star went to Atlantic City New Jersey with his father James Jordan reportedly lost five thousand dollars playing blackjack at bally's grand casino until two thirty am then headed back to Manhattan. The report set off a media firestorm while rumors of Jordan's gambling had been circulating for a while. This was the first time his extracurricular habit directly threaten the Bulls Championship Dynasty. Jordan admitted to taking the trip but clarified he was back in bed at eleven and denied that it impacted his play during game two despite the fact that the Bulls rebounded to beat the Knicks and eventually achieve a championship three peat during the June nineteen ninety-three NBA finals Jordan's gambling was all anyone talked about the thirty year olds perfect role model persona was shattered the speculation snowballed from there if Jordan bet on golf games and blackjack did he Gamble on NBA Games. After. The season concluded in June nineteen, ninety three, the League appointed former Federal Judge Frederick Lacey to investigate Jordan's off court activities but ultimately cleared him of any wrongdoing. The nineteen ninety-three offseason was one allocated to damage control in July nineteen ninety-three Jordan famously told journalists Connie Chung in an interview, I can stop gambling I have a competition problem. Jordan denied he had an addiction though the media and fans speculated otherwise he resented the scrutiny more than ever as it encroached on his endorsement deals, he hadn't lost any of his brand spokesperson. But he was on shaky ground. The media frenzy caused Jordan to further contemplate his retirement with his father James. The Jordan. Always supported his son's basketball career but had long held in his heart that Michael would be baseball star. James encouraged his son to retire from basketball to try baseball if that's what he really wanted to do. It was the last conversation Jordan had with his father. On July twenty third nineteen ninety, three, fifty, six, year old James. Jordan holdover on North Carolina highway to take a nap. While he slept two teenagers shot and killed him dumped his body in a nearby swamp and stole the car in a random act of violence. James's body was found several weeks later on August thirteenth nineteen ninety-three. Jordan was devastated his number one fan, his own father was brutally murdered. But Michael Sadness, soon, turned to frustration when the sports media speculated that James was killed over Jordan's gambling debts. Amidst his grief Jordan was insulted that people were blaming him for his father's death. He emphatically denied any connection between the two subjects. Despite his comments, the media relentlessly probed this theory in August of nineteen ninety-three. Newspapers and tabloids ran headlines like is Michael Somehow tied to DADS bizarre death. Mentions of Jordan's gambling were inserted into every story on his father's passing including when two suspects were arrested and charged with the murder. The last straw though was when federal investigators admitted they were looking into the theory. The conspiracy had taken on a life of its own Jordan was deeply hurt and his trust in the media fell to an all-time low. By October sixth. Nineteen Ninety three thirty year old Jordan. Had enough of the scrutiny and the spotlight. At nine, am he arrived at the Chicago Bulls training facilities for a press conference with coach Phil Jackson and NBA Commissioner David Stern. Next. Jordan reveals he's done with basketball now back to the story. In the early nineteen nineties, the Chicago Bulls established themselves as the best team in the NBA, three years in a row and Michael Jordan emerged as a superstar. But the pressure and scrutiny of being the most valuable player, perfect role model and Nice Guy Brand spokesperson soon, became too much. On October Sixth Nineteen ninety-three Jordan announced his retirement effective immediately at a press conference. It would take years for Jordan to finally feel comfortable enough with journalists to admit that the media blitz surrounding his father's death pushed him out of basketball. On that Fall Day. All he said was that he was done. For now. Jordan didn't rule out an NBA comeback though he said, if the urge comes back if the Bulls will have me if David Stern, let's be back in the league. I may come back the public was shocked at first but soon, the rumors and theories focused on that Jordan quote. Stern was the longtime NBA Commissioner and he had the final say on the barring and reinstatement of league players. Speculation. Abounded that Jordan's retirement was actually a secret gambling suspension. The prying sports media hypothesized the NBA's investigation into Jordan's gambling did reveal wrongdoing. To keep the reputation of its superstar intact the NBA allegedly kept it under wraps and forced Jordan to retire as punishment. When asked about this theory both Jordan and Stern denied that there was any truth to it but it was proved that gambling rumors would continue to haunt Jordan. If he stayed in basketball fully committed to baseball Jordan announced, he signed with the Chicago White Sox on February seventh nineteen ninety-four. Par, for the course, he goes through the team's minor league system and start playing for the double a Birmingham, barons? He relished in just being one of the guys again and learning the intricacies of the sport. But just as Jordan started improving on the field, a storm was brewing in baseball on August Twelfth Nineteen ninety-four mlb players including Jordan, went on strike. During the work stoppage Jordan's progress stopped dead in its tracks. The strike continued into the next year and the MLB searched for replacement players. Jordan refused to cross the picket line and wanted to escape any coercion or media scrutiny. So on March second nineteen ninety five Jordan packed up his belongings and left baseball for good. Meanwhile during Jordan's absence, the Bulls looked at twenty nine year olds Scottie. Pippen to lead the small forward was an integral part of the teams three championships. But when Jordan had been on the court, his shadow was hard to escape. It was finally Pippen's time to be the star and build his own legacy or so he thought instead Bulls General Manager Jerry Krause touted twenty six year old Tony coup coach a rookie from Croatia as the team's new star Pippen quietly grew resentful and he reached his breaking point during the nineteen ninety-four. Playoffs. On May Thirteenth Nineteen ninety-four the Bulls in Knicks were tied at one hundred and two points. Only one point eight seconds remained on the clock at Chicago Stadium. The Knicks claimed the first two victories of the Eastern Conference finals the Bulls needed this win to quell the talk about how the team was only successful because of Jordan. During the time out coach Phil Jackson devised a play that setup coup coach to take the final shot who coach had sunk several buzzer beating baskets during the regular season. But pippin took offence he saw himself as the most dangerous player on the Bulls and thought he should get the shot. Pippen reportedly told Jackson. I'm. Tired of. This. He sat on the bench as his teammates returned to the court for the final second they called out for him to join. Pippen shook his head and refused. Coup coach made the game winning shot, but the media didn't care. They wanted to know why pippen was benched in the final second. It was proof. Pippen was indeed the star this small moment plagued him for the rest of the season. His reputation with his teammates fans and the media was tarnished pippen eventually apologized to his teammates. Despite the win, the Bulls lost to the Knicks, the rest of the series, their bid for a fourth NBA championship and their first without Jordan fell short. It was more evident than ever the bulls needed. Jordan in order to win. Luckily, the superstar was ready to make a comeback. In March of Nineteen, ninety, five, Jordan started attending practices with the Chicago Bulls, his teammates and the media wondered is Jordan coming back to basketball an answer finally arrived on March Eighteenth Nineteen. ninety-five. Jordan issued a short statement to the sports media via fax. I'm back. The message was simple but monumental Jordan. Wanted to be back on the roster and the NBA was glad to oblige he returned to his former team and the Bulls honored his old three point eight, million dollar a year contract on the court. Jordan slid back into the lineup and helped the team rebound from tough season. But reuniting Jordan with twenty nine year old Scotty Pippin on the court didn't recreate the championship winning magic had. The Bulls advanced to the NBA playoffs in late April one, thousand, nine, hundred five but were defeated by the Orlando Magic on May eighteenth nine thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, five. After the loss, the Bulls lineup was retooled during the off season power forward horace grant's contract wasn't renewed and the team searched for a new front court player. On October third. Nineteen ninety-five the team acquired the bombastic controversial Dennis Rodman, the thirty four year old was the NBA's best rebounder. But adding Rodman to the Bulls was a huge risk because he was better known for his wild antics off the court. Rodman bleached his hair blond partied all the time and received fines for headbutting several players. He famously dated pop singer Madonna for two months in Nineteen ninety-four and claimed she paid him to million dollars to impregnate her during the nineteen ninety four season the San Antonio Spurs paid Rodman two point five, million dollars to play. But he spent the majority of the time making trouble from throwing a bag of ice at his coach to arguing with refs in getting adjusted from games. By. The end of the season Rodman and the spurs management had had enough of each other prompting the nineteen, ninety, five trade. To the Bulls Rodman's liabilities were worth gaining his talent. Coach Phil Jackson found a way to manage Rodman's behavior for the most part. Rodman and coach Phil Jackson even bonded which further helped the Bulls return to dominance and win their fourth NBA. Championship in June of that year oddly as Rodman. Became less of a liability thirty-three-year-old Jordan as one especially when a nike expose was published in the spring of Nineteen ninety-six. The article described children as young as twelve years old making Nike Products for two dollars and twenty cents a day in sweatshops a pair of Air Jordan's at the time cost one, hundred and fifteen dollars, which was the amount a Nike factory worker earned in one month in Asia. The report made sweatshops and child. Labor practices an international concern. Nike faced protests and constant scrutiny regarding its factories in Indonesia and Vietnam. And there'd be no shoes without the man behind their top-selling sneaker Michael Jordan. The scrutiny came for him in waves. The sports media called on Jordan to join the masses in protesting Nike talk show host. Kathy Lee Gifford's clothing brand also faced a similar backlash for using sweatshops. She wanted Jordan to join her in standing up for unethical labor practices. But again, he wasn't interested in speaking out or risking his million dollar endorsement deal Nike had invested in him when he was an unproven rookie. In light of that, Jordan stayed loyal to the brand when asked about Nike's abuses in June of Nineteen ninety-six, he said. Hopefully. Nike will do the right thing whatever that might be. As Nike considered reforms to its business practices, Jordan signed a one year contract with the Chicago Bulls for thirty point one, million dollars after he and the Bulls won their fifth NBA Championship in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, seven, Jordan resigned for thirty three point one, million dollars Scottie Pippen's obvious high numbers and became even more resentful of the Bulls General Manager Jerry Krause. He was top defensive player and crucial part of the teams five NBA. Championships yet pippen was only paid two point eight, million dollars a year he was locked into a seven year eighteen million dollar contract that he signed in one, thousand ninety-one. And while NBA salaries of other star players, climbed upwards, Pippen's stayed the same in the one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, seven, nineteen, Ninety, eight season. He was only the sixth highest paid player on the Bulls rookies earned more than him. He was embarrassed that he was spending his best years in the sport as underpaid and underappreciated. But Krauss refused to negotiate pippen's contract and in the summer of Nineteen Ninety, seven, the Bulls made it clear they intended to trade pippen the top brass didn't think that the Bulls could win another championship because the roster was filled with older players in their thirties out with the old in with the young new talent. So the night before the NBA draft it looked like pippen would be traded to the Toronto Raptors but once Jordan found out about it he called Krause and refuse to play without pippen he all but deadlocked the Bulls future season if Jordan refused to play without pippen the Bulls had little chance at fielding a winning team. There wouldn't be a sixth championship let alone the dynasty that krause dreamed of Krause realized this and nixed the trade pippen remained with the Bulls but the almost betrayal simmered within him loyalty from one teammate didn't change the fact that the Bulls had nearly kicked him off the team for an unproven rookie. And that he was still underpaid for staying. Right before the nineteen ninety-seven, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight seasons started pin decided to get his passive aggressive revenge. After rupturing the tendon in his foot during the nineteen ninety-seven season, pippen had been considering a repair surgery but hadn't found the best time granted the lengthy recovery and rehabilitation process. But in light of the contract, Saga Pippen decided October nineteen ninety seven was the best time for it to happen. Barely, a month before the season began. He'd end up missing half the season to recover, but that was his way of making a point. He definitely hadn't forgotten or forgiven, and while Jordan understood the root of Pippen's decision. He still disagreed he personally wouldn't have put his own self interest before winning or at least that's what he claimed. But Pippen, had spent almost a decade in Jordan's shadow. He wanted to do things on his own terms now. Pippen returned in January of Nineteen Ninety eight fully aware that this was his final season with the Chicago Bulls. And he wasn't alone. In light of the knowledge that coach Phil Jackson wouldn't likely return either Jordan was readying for his own last season to the thirty five year old star player refused to play for another coach as for thirty eight year old Rodman his future with the Bulls and the NBA was up in the air. The wildcard was considered an old player close to NBA retirement. Age. Plus Rodman had started acting out again, he reigned in his wild ways while he was filling in for Pippin but once his teammate returned Rodman returned to well normal. He requested a forty eight hour Las Vegas vacation in January of Nineteen, ninety eight and skipped postseason practice to wrestle. Hulk Hogan in a Professional Match, the Well Oiled Chicago Bulls machine was collapsing on itself. Jordan Pippen. Jackson, and Rodman knew that this was their final chance to solidify their own legacies as they prepared for the future. With one more win the Bulls could become the first NBA team to achieve two three peats. They'd not only be known for being part of a winning team but a full-fledged dynasty. This was it. On. June Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety eight the team won their sixth NBA Championship. They got their second three peat and their legacy. But once the win was secured and the season was over the Chicago Bulls that fans knew and loved were ripped apart. Pippen stuck around in the NBA but without their identities with the Bulls Jordan and Rodman's time in the sport faded Fast Rodman briefly played for the Dallas Mavericks, but soon, traded basketball for wrestling and Jordan retired from the NBA for the second time. Krause tried to rebuild new and improved shot goebbels team in the two thousands but he never recreated that Magic Johnson ship formula that vaulted the team to greatness in the ninety s in truth many winning teams are created through hard work but there's also an undeniable mixture of luck and sheer talent that builds extraordinary teams. The Bulls found that medium in Michael. Jordan. But even superstars have their limits and it seemed like Michael hit his own breaking point long before his comeback one can't help but wonder what the nineteen nineties bowls would have looked like without Jordan's departure for the MLB, his gambling scandals or the scrutiny over his endorsement deals. But unfortunately will never know the Bulls. Heyday is done for good and all we have left is the memory of their former glory. Thanks for listening to the dark side of next week we're delving into teen culture in the nineties you can find more episodes of the dark side of for free on spotify not only despite if I already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker just open the APP and type the dark side of in the search bar. We'll see next time. The dark side of was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios. 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"Plotted interrupted but I'm Stephen a Smith. Hey Tony when wellborn is gone the Tony Kornheiser Wilbon. Where does he the guy who used to sit there? It's always say this kid because we love and because as much as we love wilpon he's not watching. He's in Japan so we don't have to worry if he sees it or doesn't see text me. I'll tell you a great somehow ground how I don't think he would be worried. Even if the problem we're going to beat T._i.. The boys and girls with Wilpon to swap to work the entire week. I'm lucky to be joined by great brand from I takings very own daily radio. Show Mr Stephen a Smith and we begin today with a story about an all star <unk> athletes going to the bulls not will Chicago Bulls Real Bulls actual bulls the bulls that run wild in the streets in Pamplona Spain. Josh Norman a former Oprah all pro cornerback who the redskins are paying a total of seventy five million dollars is shown in this video literally jumping over a bull. This was a huge thrill for Norman who said quote I had to face the bull straight on it was fun. It was worth it. It was really worth it unquote saving and if you ran the redskins and you woke up this morning what would you do. Let me say what I would do. I'd have picked up the phone. I'll talk about things that I'm not talking about general manager. I'm not talking about the head coach I'm talking about. I'm talking about the owner. Daniel Snyder picked up the phone. Excuse accuse me thirty seven million dollars over the last two years by the way you've been here three years. We made you have made the pro bowl one time okay wondering he's on your thirty. Seven million dollars slated to make fifteen million. Did you know that if I just get rid of you right right now I would. I would save eleven million dollars on my cat. What L. is wrong with you? So you know what I better not ever ever in life. See that again as long as you wearing a redskins uniform. You got to be crazy so wait a second so you wouldn't. I wouldn't say to Josh Norman. You have made hops jumping over the bull that little I would've said exactly what you said. I would've said you've underperformed for me and then you're doing something they could get. You killed five people were gored apparently in that thing I mean I'm thinking to myself what the redskins are terrible. Okay there are terrible team. What if they lose a guy to bull goring like when you go on the D._l.? That what it is supposed to say I would think that you know I thought about this. What would be in your contract but they were prohibited from? Doing this wouldn't be in there because nobody would ever think you would do this. You supposed to know better. That's really I like Josh normal but you're supposed to know better than a man accounted for seven turnovers last year three four best you had to go ahead as best as has a redskin pretty focused Josh Nova. Did you know they have you ranked as the sixty ninth best. It's not back at football watching you jump over both we do you got a problem. Should we put it in the contract that you can't walk into lion's den that you can't hold poisonous snakes at a tent revival. What do you do with anything that you can think of and plus? I would have the right to modify an ad stuff at my discretion if it endangers your ability to potentially play football all for me then are cutting him trust me I know this team. I got you know by the way if you didn't hear about this guy. Let me introduce you to him James N._S.. The third of virtual unnamed forward for the Philadelphia Seventy sixers just signed a two year extension. To remain with the team when asked why he didn't say it was about the buddy nor did he say about his love for the city of Philadelphia no Tony. He said the reason he elected the state. was that Kowa with Koala now going to L._A.. The seventy sixers will walk doc. It's at a conference finals in Eastern Conference Tony should he have opened his mouth and said this end is he right so my first reaction was who in God's name is James and is the third or James Ennis the second and I did small research because I don't do the kind of research and you do and I find out that he plays about twelve to fifteen minutes a game and he's just some guy and he's writing checks. The Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons have to cash now. I've gone through this with Mike. He loves the seventy sixers and maybe you do too so I'm GonNa sit back and listen on this but to me if you lose Jimmy Butler and you lose J._J.. RETTIG you've lost a lot of scoring. I don't know why people love the Sixers as much as they do. Well I would say this has the prevailing point. Is that his mouth you know try to deposit checks. His backside can't cash he needs to be just needs to keep his mouth avid six points rebounds. That's just be quiet. Be Happy in the League. That's number one having settled with that. I will say this. I had to Philadelphia offices as the favorites come out ilise. Boston's loss Horford whether they lose to to Philadelphia. They've lost Kyrie Irving. Although they replaced him with Kemba Walker this in-depth issues as well Milwaukee Lord lots of Miratec he goes back to Europe. You Lost Brogden. He goes over over the Indiana the best player I understand that but again brogden and mirror too big losses we saw Toronto smoke that led by Kawhi Leonard He's now in Los Angeles with the Clippers so when you think about the remnant roadblocks in the eastern conference they could potentially derail the Philadelphia Seventy sixers. All three of those teams are a lesser version of what they were last year meanwhile although the sixers lose rettig and they lose Jimmy Butler too big losses make no mistake they got Horford they acquired. Why a Josh Richardson who's a good two way coming from Miami you still kept Vincent's and Joel Embiid with offer? I think that's a big deal in the sixties should go back and forth forever and ever on this but do you ever worry that Horford at his size. We'll get an EMBIID's way. No that won't work so you think that's going. He's an elite defensive. He's a great sub and he could hit perimeter shots. Wait for the band with Toronto that even though they don't have their best player that WANNA team learns to win and accomplish something there's some muscle memory Marie and they remember how to win and they shouldn't be discounted that easily well my response to that would be what Muslim memory are you talking about. I think the biggest muscle was wounded. That would be different to lose. Him is a big deal. They liked the seventy six to seventy your wind. James Ennis the third third the second hand the I I with James and it's the first the second and the third but not the do that opened his to do on that team so let's see billups has a theory as to why nobody has picked up Carmelo Anthony. He said this on Sirius X._M.. Radio this is a quote quote scoring thirty points men too much mellow. He could have games we had twenty twenty two points. We win the game and he's mad. He might have thirty six. We lose the game and he's in there picking everybody up. I think now you fast forward the tape and the reason why he's not the league because he's still worth is that he hasn't mentally taken that step back to say okay. I'll come in and play against backups. I'll try to help the team out. I know I might not be able to close but I just want to help. He's not there yet unquote. That is some kind of. Quote Stevens Chauncey billips right. I don't think it's the I don't think he'd be denied that he's right because he would know better than most of the one N._B._A.. Conference finals appearance and Carmelo Anthony's career Chauncey village was his point guard when the Philadelphia seventy when he played without the New York Knicks. I'm sorry Chauncey billips was his teammate for a little bit there as well. We have to take into consideration. I'm one person that has constantly come to Defensive Carmelo Anthony Career Twenty four point gain score Eyeso- ball contemplating what have you I get all of that but I never wanted to deem him. Selfish Chauncey billips as more qualified to make their quote than me in for Sean that's right through the Denver and New York for Chauncey billips to say quote you score twenty you school less than thirty and you're down when we win but you score thirty or thirty six and you're picking God's up when we lose that might be the most devastating quote that has ever been said against Carmelo Anthony so I'm that can't be denied. I'm going to go back in history for a little while. I mean because Carmelo Anthony is a great player and he's fallen off a cliff. I mean nobody nobody wants them. He's a great player. I want to go back to the Knicks. I don't do this to make you angry because it's even before you were born. The Knicks of the Willis Reed and David Bush okay at one point. They gave one of their aging stars a sweetheart deal. You know two three years on the end of the bench. You don't have to do something they might have been Dick Barnett and I'm not sure and in fact the minutes are reduced but you you played out in glory. You know you're back with the team and I remember Earl Monroe's grave player who essentially took Dick Barnett's spot and he said I want one of those when I'm done I want one of those for two or three years at the end and he got one of those two and he played twenty minutes a game. This is a guy who was in the hall of fame apparently Carmelo Anthony cannot adjust to that sort of deal because there's a lot of teams could be helped by him if he were to do that I._Q.. Retort with even more of of just as a profound story Carmelo Mellow Anthony's three best friends in the N._B._A.. Considered to be the banana beaucoup of Dwayne Wade Lebron James Crispus Chris Paul's never been to an N._B._A.. Finals but a miniature point guard floor general we know how exceptional he is but again your size and your game game you're limited to some degree in terms of carrying team. That's not the case with mellow wasn't the case with D. Wade who won an N._B._A.. Finals in the N._B._A.. Finals before Lebron Ever Rot plus. It certainly not Lebron James. You got drafted in the same draft as Lebron James And D. Wade and you have never been to an N._B._A.. Finals that's an ouch reality. All is not well in Major League Baseball. Young players aren't getting paid. Oh players aren't getting paid enough listening to the players you would think the only only thing the owners are doing is laughing hysterically over it all the way to the bank by the way however while U._S._A.. Today swears there furious sports illustrated gave the impression that few of the players care and more of them could really give a damn Tony auto play his justify it being furious over their present state of affairs and do you believe they actually should struck. I don't think they should strike and I don't think they will strike and I think strikes are over in major sports in America but I'll get to the first as part of this question by saying what this is about as you well know is jealousy over M._B._A.. Contracts every other professional athlete looks at these long guaranteed contracts for hundreds of millions of dollars and says I want a piece of that baseball players go. I play one hundred sixty two games. I'm out there for eight full months. I don't get a fraction of this. They can keep me in the minors to delay the clock ticking so I can get the free agency. They can keep me from free agency for six years so I think their anger under is justified and I think if they had a stronger union is possible to make some progress on those two points so you use the word jealousy what I would say the you is this. Maybe it's not jealousy. Maybe it's absorbing absorbing the reality of this situation considering incredibly an excruciatingly unfair your major league baseball players you gotta you gotTa give team by five to six years before you can even delve into free agency and in the twenty two and twenty three so you you have to wait for your pay the N._B._A.. You don't have to spend an apprenticeship in the minor. That's right exactly so you have that reality but back in the day at least as recently as a few years ago the belief was okay. We don't get paid on the front end but we'll get paid at the back <music>. Now we saw Kimbro. Kaikal guys did get contracts until Jew for crying out loud. You know that that you know whether it's trout Bryce Harper Machado all of these guys they had to wait before they got paid and when you look at it they'll say here's another part to this. It's analytics. Analytics tells you that you your past your prime at thirty thirty one or thirty two so if you have to wait to twenty eight or twenty nine to get the long deal. You're not going to get that deal because people will say you won't produce what the problem is. You're getting paid early. No then you're not getting paid lane and your Priva- your career. You don't even know if you'll get paid because they don't have to pay you right now. Where's again in the N._B._A.? You get paid. Let's take a break coming up. boogie says he's ready to play them all for the Lakers and he'd be back at one hundred percent. You gotta read Melvin. Gordon wants a new contract said the charges. Give it one daytime like what you'd be right. I'm sorry the hearings of the future which is why I am thousands of psychic for some reason Stephen as dressed as a cake what happened to me since I call Hi Tony Hi Steven. This is nick the intern I just wanted to know. Do you see demarcus cousins being back to one hundred percent for the the Lakers yeah. I'm not a medical doctor. I got a P._H._d.. Honorary but I'm not a medical doctor but I'll tell you this. This comes about because boogie cousins has spoken incredibly optimistically about once again playing with Anthony Davis and being on the Lakers he thinks they're going to be great when they first were together on New Orleans for a couple of years. I thought it'd be a disaster because I thought they'd get in each other's way but it turns out that Boogie average twenty five points thirteen in rebounds and five assists before getting injured. They played well together before I'm anxious to see this. Let me say this to you about boogie cousins. I think it's the wrong question. It's not about whether or not he's going to be one hundred percent. It's whether other than that we should care because what is he really going to do. If you are the fourth option for the Los Angeles Lakers it's a tad bit different when four thousand because it Steph curry and Klay Thompson lodging threes all over the place but in L. A. Will Lebron. Brought in a D getting into the interior shoot fifteen to seventeen foot jumpers and a call who's Moore. You know who's still a baby in this league if you're behind them. I'm interested in seeing how he's GonNa respond to that. Why do I feel I should say yes your majesty? What's next Hey Tony Hey steven any this is Chris? I WANNA know if you've seen Nelson Gordon getting a new contract before training camp so he's the best touchdown producer that the chargers have in the last thirty one games. He's got thirty eight touchdowns. I think I could interest any team in that. There is some knock against him that he's not as durables they'd like that he gets hurt all the time. I honestly think they're pretty good team. They were a contender last year. Philip rivers getting old. That window is small here. I think they should give him the money. You don't WanNa Levy on bell situation where your best wanting back dum play at all well the biggest argument you have in your favor about Philip rivers because he is getting. I would tell you this Melvin Gordon. I'm not sure he's going to get this contract his watch number one even though he scored a touchdown in each playoff game recording fourteen touchdowns for the season thirteen hundred plus yards from scrimmage. The reality is is that he only had a total of sixty nine yards in those two playoff games. That's number one number two when you hear his name and you hear about him being disgruntled they're mentioning Todd Curly David Johnson Levian Bell demand is good Melvin Gordon this talented but you do on a different level and that's where the but also in the N._F._l.. They think running backs grow on trees and you can get him well. He's like five or six million daily upsetting Roger Federer tomorrow morning see. I don't think this is an upset. I don't think there's any difference between number three and number two in the seedings and Rothfield the doll. I mean if this was clay. This'll be a walkover walk over and grass fed was great congress. I understand that but the doll has beaten him on grass is a couple of statistics that are interesting. The most interesting is that they played thirteen times in major events. The Dow's one ten dollars one Montana and federal is going to be thirty eight years old next month and the doll just turned thirty three. I think age matters I said this about Serena the I think it matters. I think the dolls going to win. I I think Federer is going to get it done. Last time they saw each other in the Wilton was two thousand and eight when federal had won five straight into doll finally knocked one. Is I okay but this is the first time they facing each other sits that Tom even federal is thirty seven. Let's keep your mind. This ain't the French Open where he's always six. All this is Wimbledon. That's different next. Hey guys thanks for taking my call. Do you see the electronic strike zone moving to major league baseball anytime soon so I do debuted last night in an all star game in the Atlantic League which is a League owned by Major League Baseball. I think that the reason go to this it looks sort of odd 'cause the umpire is behind on plate. He's getting the ball and strike calls from an iphone in his pockets and it's a little late. I think they're going to do this because they don't want to deal with their biggest problem. The biggest problem is the games take too long. It's easy the single out. UMPIRES players won't stand for buyer. They don't care and it works in tennis with line calls and stuff like that. I think you're going to see it and I don't think a lot of people are GonNa Complain Because most you know as technology goes faster. Most humans only care about ear buds and Netflix allow me to put my hand on his crystal ball please. Do I think this will be considered. Maybe the most dumbest idea of the century let me get this straight. The ball is thrown. Let me look at my phone. Home well hold on it says a strike strike. What no that's not gonNA work? Players lose their mind. The fans lose their mind plus. It will prolong or already long and lengthy tedious game no way it will not work. Phone lines are closed but in our future I see talking about Serena Williams's latest big win. You GotTa talk that's right. I do as ice cube right to throw a bunch of former N._B._A.. Players out of the Big Three League if it was on your phone loan you got so many texts on your phone. You'd never get the ball strike. Pall Status Time people have twenty four th birthday Joey Bosa Bosa was the number three overall pick in the two thousand sixteen draft by the charges out of Ohio State Defensive End is played thirty five Games has got twenty eight and a half sacks which might be considered productive osas younger brother Nick was the number two overall pick of the two thousand nineteen draft by the forty niners Stephen or the both is taking over from the longs as the N._F._L.'s first family absolutely not. I don't see any championships attest to their resume own the longs half long champions right they delicate exactly so they're not taking up happy anniversary Vo Jackson on this date twenty nine years ago tracked down a fly ball at full speed and then proceeded to run along the outfield wall like Spiderman Bo Jackson made the All Star Team in baseball made the all star team in football. You can talk about all the great athletes better mentioned Vincent Edward Jackson when you absolutely should one of the greatest ever without question. Don't you think like no in the all time category melancholy trails to Jim Bowden the former Yankee starting pitcher died yesterday at age eighty one twenty-one game so the Yankees in nineteen sixty three and eighteen the following year but Bowden his best known for his autobiographical book ball for it was not the first book by an athlete about his craft that was Jim Bras along season but ball four was the first book by an athlete to reveal secrets about how athletes lived off the field. It was considered scandalous in its day. It made doubt very unpopular with baseball players took the Yankees fifty years to invite him back to an old timers game where he received a long ovation and you know what it's terrific book without question. It really really was so I mean that's in that category of first person books looks like instant replay which Jerry Kramer wrote with Dick Schaap a sense of where you are the Bill Bradley Book that was a great book. Ken Dryden wrote a great but also it also made us pay attention to lives off the field of play by athletes because guess what how you live determines. It's how much money you might be worth because it affects your performance on the field. People try to act like it doesn't matter sometimes it does but the scandals don't help you if you look at. Let's go to the big finish you Jackson once another head coaching opportunity you get one absolutely not no way okay on Earth by the way Serena Williams will face some Mona. Hell hell up in a Wimbledon final. Who Do you like? I like. I like suing. She's the best player out there but how while she's never been in a Wimbledon final before she has at least one a major so I don't think she's GonNa be as nervous as some people might. Kill you junior. We upload the sons the two years and thirty million dollars that makes sense to you of course it does in today's N._B._A.. He's in poverty right now. Thirty million absolutely baseball suspended Jake Moore Nick to Gates but his collision with Jonathan Luke Roy Okay by you Mike. Can I talk about this. He did not attempt to sly he might have been trying to get out of the way the catcher putting bold the catcher over so yeah. I'm oh well to Pete rose on the Big Three League booder Lamar Odom Baron.

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Long Live the Bulls

MarketFoolery

12:46 min | 5 months ago

Long Live the Bulls

"Boy that escalated quickly. I mean that really got a hand fast jumped up a notch that I've got a few thought but first today's episode is brought to you by Lincoln. Lincoln jobs screens candidates with hard and soft skills. You're looking for so you can hire the right person fast. Find the right person with Lincoln. Jobs get fifty dollars off your first job post linked in dot com slash four Thursday March Twelfth Markets Hillary. I'm Chris Hill alone in the studio with a few thoughts share amidst the madness six minutes. That's all it took six minutes into the trading day this morning another circuit breaker was triggered. And you've probably already seen the business headlines. Death of the Bull Market the eleven year. Run over the bull market is dead and I get it and I'm the first one to say. Don't blame the headline writers and yes. This is painful. I'm not gonNA say otherwise but just to something about the tone in some of the coverage that I'm seeing that really strikes me the wrong way we've been doing live. Qna sessions every day this week. Couple of them just for members of Motley fool services a couple of them on Youtube and by the way they're free on youtube you can just go to YouTube dot com slash. The Motley Fool did one on Tuesday afternoon with Bill Mandy Cross. Doing one Thursday afternoon this afternoon with David Gardner on Tuesdays. In the middle of the video bill man turned to me and asked me which felt worse. March ninth two thousand nine or March ninth. Twenty twenty March ninth was Monday. That was the day. Dow Jones fell two thousand points. I hadn't really thought about reason he asked is because March ninth. Two thousand nine was the bottom. That was the absolute bottom. And so I hadn't thought about it. We were alive. He hits me with the question I said I think I felt worse on two thousand nine because at that point we just been punched in the face for seven straight months and it was the banking industry and the housing market and we were there were unknowns but they were all about the economy. We're asking questions when is going to end? Is this actually going to be like a second great depression and from an economic standpoint? It was awful people lost jobs. People lost their homes. When I see survey data about how a lot of millennials haven't been investing in the stock market. I totally understand. Why wouldn't you know what the economy was like when you first started to be aware of it and comprehended that absolutely has an impact on your psychology when it comes to money two thousand eight two thousand nine? That was bad economically. What's happening now? What's happening right now? First and foremost is about public health. And as you know it's affecting everything absolutely everything in March two thousand nine. I was working at the Motley fool. A company that was struggling at the time. My portfolio was getting whacked. But at least I could find some ways to relax and not think about it for a while. I could go to the movies I could go to a concert. I could flip on an NBA game. None of those things are options right now. So we're focused on public health for ourselves and our loved ones particularly if you have elderly people in your life as I do particularly if you have children as I do. We're focused on physical health. But please do not forget about your mental health to. We're going to get through this. There's no question we're going to get through this. But it is going to take a higher level of focus than everyday life which makes sense because these are not everyday circumstances. These are extraordinary circumstances. But we will get through this so i WanNa talk about you and your investing but I I gotta say thanks to Lincoln because hiring is still going on out there and hiring the right people who's one of the best ways to grow your business but it shouldn't take time away from your other priorities and with Lincoln jobs it doesn't have to and that's because linked in looks beyond the work skills and put your job post in front of qualified candidates who match your business requirement perfectly linked in. Make sure your job post is seen seen by the people you want to hire people with skills and qualifications and all that other stuff but also the soft skills those are important. Those are particularly important in a time like this. You want to make sure people fit within your business. It's no wonder a person is hired every eight seconds with Lincoln. You can find the right person for your business today with Lincoln jobs. Get the first fifty dollars off. Just go to Lincoln dot com slash fool. That's linked in dot com slash full and get fifty dollars off your first job post terms and conditions apply again to paraphrase Morgan House. Will we will get through this but holy cow. So we've been doing all of these live videos this week. Hundreds of questions coming in from investors of all stripes people in their seventies and eighties who are retired and they're trying to figure out what to do people in their thirties and forties. Who are asking things like? Should I pull money out of the market? What if I want to pay down my mortgage? Is that a better use of my money. What if I WANNA make down payment on a house because mortgage rates are looking pretty good? Got a question yesterday from a kid who's sixteen years old. He's just starting out and so I guess the first thing I'd say is now more than ever think about your time horizon and if you need money in the next three to five years it should not be in the market. I don't know how long this is GonNa last neither. Does anybody else now. If you don't need that money in the next three to five years start building the watchlist. I've got my watch this I I. I already know the next five stocks. I'M GONNA buy. I already know what they are. We have trading restrictions here at the motley fool. So I'm not GonNa say what they are but as soon as I am cleared to buy them. I will share that information on this show. If you're building a watchlist here are two questions to ask of any company that you're thinking about buying or for that matter any company that's in your portfolio right now two questions first. How good is this business? Not How much Jalek the product? How good is the business? I like to call that an you know. I'm not going to name a company. I don't WanNa pick on any company but you know just because you like the food at a particular place doesn't mean the business is necessarily good. So how good is the business? That's the first question second question. How much do I trust the people running this business? Do they have skin in the game because skin in the game? Maybe it shouldn't matter more when the market is tanking everything is in the red but it kind of feels like it means more certainly a person running company where they have a big stake in it. Yeah I feel like that's that's something to keep a close watch on. How much do you trust the people who are running that business? This morning I actually spent a little bit of time thinking about Thomas Paine. Thomas Paine is one of those names that I think we've probably all learned in. Us history class. He wrote Common Sense. And that's really that's really pretty much. All anyone remembers. Must Anyone remembers about Thomas Paine? It's like if I just ask you. What do you know about Thomas Paine? You'd probably be like. Is that the guy who wrote commonsense. Yes what else do you down. He wrote Common Sense. So common sense was a pamphlet that was published in early. Seventeen seventy six. It was making the case for independence from Britain and it was incredibly influential. I don't mean to belittle Thomas Paine He wrote arguably one of the most influential documents in American history. But he's also the author of a line that you've probably heard before which is these are the times the Trimbe in Seoul's so you rights common sense but he also wrote a series of pamphlets that were published throughout the revolutionary war called the American crisis and it was pains way of continuing to make the case for this movement. The first one that he wrote was written in late December. Seventeen seventy six. It was three days before the battle of Trenton General. George is with his troops and he had pains. Se had this first essay. Read out loud to the troops and this is how the essay begins. These are the times the try men's souls the summer soldier and the sunshine. Patriot will in this crisis. Shrink from the service of their country but he that stands by it now deserves the love and thanks of man and woman tyranny like hell is not easily conquered yet. We have this consolation with us that the harder the conflict the more glorious the triumph what we obtain too cheap. We esteem too lightly. It is dearness. Only that gives everything it's value now. Thomas Paine was writing about freedom from tyranny and he's writing for soldiers in a time of war but that basic idea seems to apply to what is happening right now for investors. Like you and me yes. It is absolutely easier and a hell of a lot more fun to invest when everything is going up but this right now. This is why people don't invest because they can't stomach weeks like this and that's fine. It's not for everyone thousand eight two thousand nine. Those were trying times too but those who kept at it. Those who stayed in the game were rewarded for their patients. The bull market is dead but the Bulls are not the Bulls are very much alive. The Bulls are being diligent the Bulls are being judicious and the Bulls right now are looking for opportunities. And if the history of the stock market has proven anything it is that over time overtime the Bulls always win out there. It is rough right now. There is no question about that but out there also lies opportunity and we will not be Sunshine Patriots on the battleground of investing. Because we're bulls and long live the Bulls. We're going to skip the usual disclaimer. Since I didn't mention any individual stocks Dan boy behind. The glass has been an absolute rockstar. This week have a good weekend. Get some rest. Take a mental break and to quote. David Gardner Wash Your Damn hands.

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Monitor Show 12:00 07-02-2020 12:00

Bloomberg Radio New York - Recording Feed

01:42 min | Last month

Monitor Show 12:00 07-02-2020 12:00

"From New York to on TV and radio audiences worldwide, welcome to balance the power where the world of politics. It's the world of business I'm David. Westin start once again today with the markets and for that we go to Abigail. Do Little, so abigail they shot up on the news of the jobs, but then it'd come off that a little bit. But they are off those highs, but now trying to rebound once again, but you're right. A very strong jobs report that stocks reacted to extremely well with futures, extremely strong earlier up more than one and a half percent, even more than two percents of the index is now off of those highs, the S. and P. Five hundred up about one percent, the Nasdaq around the same level of on paper record, closing high once again, being held up by some of those spank stocks, the financials doing. Doing well also though David so we have a nice sector composition here for socks and on the week we're looking at a up week, but there has been some volatility recently was of course last week was a down week, and before that there was an up and down week before that, so lots of a movement here for stocks as the Bulls and the bears are battling it out for which side is right around the economy but today the Bulls certainly seemed to have a David. So as you say, it's been up and down, although we had that amazing quarter that we just ended now go to the second half of the year. You say you think there may be some hints. Perhaps some tea leaves could read. The might indicate. There's a shoe to drop. Why is that? It's interesting so I look at a lot of charts each day, and there's just nuances in some of these charge that suggests that some investors, maybe the smart early money they're preparing for the possibility of some sort of even shock, some sort of an event that most or not anticipating now this is very.

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New Season! Introducing The Dark Side Of: The 90s!

The Dark Side Of

01:34 min | Last month

New Season! Introducing The Dark Side Of: The 90s!

"Hi there. It's Kate and Richard. Thanks for listening to the dark side of space. We hope you enjoyed it as much as we did. Although this season has ended, we're pivoting to an exciting new topic. Something that on the surface is delightfully nostalgic, but with a little digging turns out to be just as dark as the night sky. We've been flying through lately. For ten weeks starting June fifteenth. We're tackling the dark side of the nineties. When you think of the Nineteen Ninety S, you probably think of your favorite nickelodeon cartoons epic Spice, Girl Bops and wacky snacks, like fruit gushers, and you probably think of them fondly, but all the nostalgia around the nineteen nineties has made us forget the rampant exploitation, violence and tragedy that also. The decade not to say that we're excited to kill your idols, but we're excited to kill your idols. That includes the Chicago Bulls the British Royal Family and beanie babies. It'll be dark, disturbing, utterly gripping, and as always it will feature the indepth research. You've come to expect from us. The dark side of is a podcast original starting June fifteenth every Monday. We'll bring you a new episode. On the most appalling aspects of the nineteen ninety S. you can listen for free on spotify or wherever you find your podcasts.

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Care of Fall bulbs

Your Gardening Questions

03:00 min | 1 year ago

Care of Fall bulbs

"Hi, this is Mark news from plant talk radio. Thanks for subscribing and listening to our podcast your gardening questions from plan talk radio. If you have a gardening question you'd like our host Fred Howard to answer send him an Email. The address is Fred at plant talk radio dot com. Now for today's question. Now, I wanted to go back to to the bulls things came my mind during the break one is taking good care of bulbs saves you money, and and increases your joy because of a better growth and so on in the spring do not take off the foliage unless it's the old ones. You wanna get rid of do? Let them grow get them in oil, keep them in the sunshine. Do their thing the tour when they're tan and so on now prior to the tan and dying off of the tops fertilizer not much. You can fertilize the whole bid just a call it a general broadcast or you can do individual bulbs. Whatever you want to do it. In terms of a fat tulip, you would not want to use more than about a teaspoon of fertilizer, not against the stem. But around it now, if you just simply broadcast into the bed, it's going to take care of the whole thing. Most people will not piddled around with individual bulbs. But at the same time fertilizer helps they do mature the the fertilizer will help them with the minerals. They need they make their own food and away we go with a plant. That's ready to go for the following year. The next thing is when I mentioned buying them. As as our our caller, do not do not leave them on the garage show until late January and the oh, Lordy. Didn't. Well that had happened everybody. We've all done that. Yeah. We have indeed. And I literally went out, and shall we say turn them into the top slush inch and a quarter one time during a thaw. I had tulips that reached the height the four inches. Yeah. Flowers is biggest my little fingernail and so on, but at least it worked, but do buy them early keep them stored into garage goon drive, then plant them anytime. Now a little before now even and on but early September, it gives them too much of a chance to get up where where she's having a say potential problems. I still I still would think on the positive side of which kind of. Hey, thanks again. For listening to our podcast. Be sure. To subscribe to our other podcasts as well. The plan of the week podcast and the plan talk radio podcast, all on itunes or your favorite podcast player. If you'd like to sponsor a daily podcast, contact us at Fred at plant, talk radio dot com to find out more about Fred Howard and plant talk radio. Visit our website plant talk radio dot com. Circle to seventy media dot com.

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"Michael Jordan & the Chicago Bulls Untold Stories with Tom Smithburg" - Episode 022

The Sportscaster and Her Son

45:19 min | 2 months ago

"Michael Jordan & the Chicago Bulls Untold Stories with Tom Smithburg" - Episode 022

"The sportscaster and her son is brought to you by Elektra. Flex a global leader in electrical conduit for over sixty years makers of liquid flexible conduit electrically connecting our world jude low. Everybody welcome to the sports caster and her son were sports. Bridges the gap between the generations on your host Peggy Kaczynski Twelve Time Emmy Award winning sports caster at NBC Chicago for Seventeen Years. And I am the baby. Boomer Jason Commander Former Saint Ignatius College prep student and writer for busing. Brackets former former. Right it is it is and you are my son. I am yourself so typically this is where I would say. We don't always get along but our mutual love. Sports brings us together but Jason. I both agree. The last dance has given us so much to talk. It's been crazy decent. What's your reactions to the last dance which we have been watching on? Espn throughout our pandemic shelter at home. No sports on first off. I want to offer up a disclaimer. You Typically Fall Asleep about halfway through the second episode of the night. So why are you? I mean it's it's it's true it is typically we start out the watching it with four people in the living room and I'm typically the last man standing so Anyway anyway my thoughts are. I think it's really cool to look back at the season. Obviously I wasn't around back then so it's like a nice little look back in time. There's a lot of stuff fat when you when you're told about Michael Jordan when you hear about the legacy that you don't know unless you you WANNA learn about Michael Jordan. You don't know about the gambling you don't necessarily know about his father's death about him as a teammate. About the altercations about how little he actually enjoyed being a celebrity and playing basketball towards the end of his career. Little stuff besides the winning and the moments that everyone remembers has been the coolest for me on top of some of the people that have been featured Isaiah. Thomas Charles Barkley Kobe Bryant. Who's really cool to see? Barack Obama. Justin Timberlake Bill Clinton. They've had everybody on here. It's so cool seeing the opinions and and the the stories from all these people that you really don't know how much they have to do with Michael Jordan until you see them in the documentary and it all sorts make sense so I have to say that you brought up the Kobe Bryant I. I felt uncomfortable. I didn't I I know you had you have to include that. I just felt I just felt uncomfortable. I felt so soon since his tragic death In the helicopter accident that I cringed when it came on but my favorite so far has been the Isaiah. Thomas I mean I loved seeing the true hatred coming out of Michael I. I've never heard him swear so much. It was hysterical and you could just. I thought that that was the best. So far that they've done was how they portrayed the hatred for Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons at the time In Ninety one I was working at Chicago no I was working at. Espn in Bristol. Connecticut and I was a production assistant and I along with Mike. Zero were the to Chicago production assistance and so we would sit and watch the Bulls Games. You know obviously all the as as we were. You're watching your in these screening rooms and you're watching every game and you're assigned one game while I would never get the bulls because I was new typically got like a tennis match or something like that back then Mike Zero. I would be cheering and screaming because we were the to Chicago Bulls fans at the time and I came home from working at ESPN. In Ninety. Two I went and worked the Olympics. I was Andrea Kramer's associate producer her feel producer for the stories that she did covering the Dream Team in California which is where they were practising before they went over to the Olympics and so that year in ninety two I worked Freelancing as a field producer for ESPN. After I came home to Chicago and so I had that that was my second way of learning the team and then in ninety three I got hired by CRTV Chicago and television and so I got to cover them from ninety three on. And it's been for me. It is just a walk down Memory Lane. I JUST. I can't get over that it's been that long ago it just blows my mind that it's been twenty seven years you know it's amazing. I love it. It's really it's been really fun. It's a what stands out the most you. Jason I think what stands out the most mu just like the pure greatness of the team all the trials and tribulations they had to make it through In order to achieve an incredible feat people don't understand how hard it is to win a championship in any sport to do it. Three times in a row twice in the same decade is pretty incredible. Um suggest see how that all came together and see all the different moving parts all the different personalities. All the different instances happenings games the everything seeing it all come together in the way that it's been portrayed. I think has been the coolest for me so for me my first on Air Job. Chicagoland Television in Chicago and I'm covering the the third of the Bulls. I three p the first three championship titles and I mean how fortunate was I just? That's how it is you cover championships. I covered three more after that. You assume that's just how it is so in a way when you are so young covering it. It's you just assume that this is what the rest of your career is going to be like. So how men were. We lucky it was just incredible. Joining us now is the CO founder and executive vice president of Teamwork's media. Tom Smithburg was the manager of Media Services for the Bulls from ninety one to ninety nine. Yeah Yeah Nice job. Through the entire Jordan era with the Bulls and in the Jordan days town was the guy that you went to when you needed an interview and he said no very well but he hit career gold working for the Chicago Bulls as their manager of media services. You can check him out on twitter. He is at T. W. S. ten ten and also. This is a super cool thing that he's doing now because he was right then and there for the last dance in the Jordan Era. He is doing last dance. Recaps backstage the last dance and you can find that on teamwork media's facebook and Twitter Account Mondays at one o'clock central time they also do. This is super cool too. I was watching this Ozzie. Guillen and his sons La Vida baseball on facebook twitter INSTAGRAM YOUTUBE LAVINA BASEBALL DOT COM. You can find everywhere. That's one of teamwork media's own properties and. Tom Is Nice enough to join us right now. On the sports caster and her son Hari. Tom I got all of that out of the way I gotTa tell you you had not just a front row seat to the Jordan era. You were backstage. You've had you saw everything that we didn't get to see. It is amazing to watch the documentary acting very crazy time in our world. Right that twenty two years activate they shot. This special footage spent the entire year collecting behind the scene stories and going in the locker room and on the team playing in the bus and cracker that this incredible story comes out and reminisce and to look at myself at age. Twenty seven Behind the team and to experience a whole thing all over again and in a totally brand new light twenty plus years later with the interviews and the reflections of Michael Jordan and T. May Jackson looking back on something that was captured. The WORL- catching the sports world and was incredible moment in time and Wow was I fortunate to be there at the right time and you said ninety one to ninety nine. I'm I thought to myself yet. Thought that was the right years to work for the bullets right out of time. I didn't know I didn't know how good timing was but I was So fortunate to go from being an intern at the Bulls right out of college. I graduated from northwestern literally the day the both won the first championship in Nineteen ninety-one and started as an intern. Five days later I answering phones for an hour a day while receptionist lose out I learned from the round up how the organization ran every day. I working season tickets for for a couple of years before going over into media relations so it was just incredible experience. Incredible time Looking back on it now you know with with that is so rewarding and wow what a what. A phenomenal pampered documented series. So far as we talked today they sponsoring eight episodes and My entire family and trends and everyone. I think everyone's just really really fun to to go back and watch. It's really special Tom. What have they gotten right on the last dance and would have they gotten Ron wild great great question I think the number one thing that we're really getting right is the the tension and drama of this really. Being the last time this team would make a push to win the championship together. In that in that group Bat it was so special and all these relationships were coming to ahead and they were personal relationships these business relationships and everybody knew basically that was going to be a big divorce. At the end of the season ever turned out there was a strike or lockout in the NBA. So they're labor labor strikes and things like that that also created a mark you know in the Indian history but it was just a for all factors that are coming out in the documentary about the the tension between management and the players and coaches and ownership. Really got that right They also especially got right fact. He'll Jackson found a way to keep her teen declares together focused and absolutely You know on the same page as professionals and despite all the crazy personalities as we've seen that he it's such a great job of leadership and and and kept them together knowing that this would be the last the last time Now what did they get wrong? wouldn't say so much. They bought meeting wrong. I just there's so many bits and recurrent side stories I guess I I'm disappointed. We haven't seen Luc Longley. He's stunner is starting center. I really like Mook We haven't spent enough time getting to know maybe some of the reserves on the team a little bit of Scott Burrell person fantastic. But I think there's so much focus on Jordan Pippen and Rodman that I feel that the other characters and the other players who played such an important role Tony Coach. I wish they would fill out those story a little bit more. Because I Michael during such a great job so far interviews to say Oh. I love my teammates. Love this I wanted to hear more about them than just Michael Scottie but I I understand you know. Espn they're going to focus on the big dog. So be on the same topic there. Anybody that you think has been portrayed incorrectly. I'm no Scottie Pippen's upset because he thinks that he was portrayed as a wigner maybe Michael Jordan's been portrayed a little bit as hard guy to be around. Who Do you think if anyone has been portrayed MIS MIS portrayed I guess I don't think anyone is mis portrayed so to speak but I think you look at someone I'll pull out like a TONI KUKOC? They spent a Lotta time Maybe episode three and four about Jordan picking hostility towards him. Not personally but because he was a Jerry Krause Jerry. Krause general manager really love to you know just like his special pick and Jordan and pippen really took it out on Tony During those episodes with the The Dream Team and I really steal a guy like toning who was a part time starter and also with the former six man of the year ninety five ninety six. He was a form of glued. It partly kept the team together During these challenging times in the seasons where how do you keep your motivation to keep your Your intensity up. I really felt like a guy like twenty two coach. You know we haven't heard too much from other than just being kind of tried commentator. I felt that he probably a little bit more important player. And so he. I'll call him under portrayed and as well from Ron Harper. We haven't really heard from Ron Harper yet. Needs to start her and the team. He was defending Kind of a Whiz by that time of his career with no longer all-star starter or a up a score featured score. He was kind of a multi. High acted player who get a lot of different things and and took a lot of pressure within Jordan would take. Let's say Reggie Miller at times and other opponents. Say so I saw like guys like Tony. And Ron Harper. A little under portrayed and Anatomy little disappointed in breath again. I understand the bigger the bigger part of the story. But it's really a such a powerful characters You now I'm thinking actually could have made their fifteen episodes or twenty. Yeah for me to see from my perspective. I mean so much time I mean. Pass the players one person in particular that I think has stood out in a negative sense throughout the documentaries. Jerry Krause believe that throughout all eight episodes if characterized him as a villain and as this guy that was just sort of a cloud like weighing over the team. What do you think about the way the Jerry Krause has been portraying the effect that that has on his ultimate legacy? Yeah another question. I really and I talk about this when we do our kit show. I can't show Jerry if you just look. At his accomplishments. He was an excellent general manager and actually Picker of talent He made some amazing Moves to get for Grant Scottie. Pippen to get Tony. Kukoc coach second round draft pick You know to bring in the right cast of characters around Michael Jordan from from John Paxson early on from the eighties to Steve. Her in the ninety and then have the vision to bring in all people. Dennis Rodman at a critical time majority comes back really room. Krause that was that was his cowan accomplishment. You should be rewarded for that. You're always are going to make Stakes in that role. Everyone in player personnel in basketball in any sport team sport. You know you're GONNA get hit you're GONNA get some. Mrs Jerry had probably has shared mrs well but overall wanted it result in six championships in brought the right past of characters. So I think that courtray Jerry is a bit of villain first of all. It's it's so unfair and Jerry Taft. Now you know passed away three years ago the Shaney yet. They didn't get a chance to interview him at the right time where he could reflect on it and maybe the film would reflect on jerry were kindly and I think That's a disappointment on the other hand. You understand this is production. You have to create the drama and you have to create tension and I think they come up. That side of the tension Over skew it. And it's a shame and and fortunately I will say that Jerry Reinsdorf comments in film so far you've been excellent. Mary well-spoken and he defended Jerry and others. Who Need who need that defense? And I think I give him credit for that because He's kind of Jerry. Jerry reinsdorf represented krause winning. Needed it the most totally agree with that on more question on the topic of our the information's been presented throughout the documentary. There obviously there two more episodes and one of my biggest takeaways from the first eight episodes are a lot of stuff. They cover a lot of the Olympics every single championship team the teams before the championship Highschool Teams College teams. What do you think what do you think is the most important thing that has been left out to this point? Obviously like I said two more episodes so we know exactly what's coming but is there anything that stands out to you is all they didn't include that. Or why do you think that they didn't include a certain scenario or a certain happening? What's interesting to take a quick step back? The original goal of the project was in inside out of document documentary. Look so the producers at the entertainment which are the Bulls and And to the players and said we we basically want to. Do you know covered the team from the first day of practice in October. All the way through and feel this is going to be a special season and they. There's so much of the month to month road trip to road trip interesting stories of that kind of a player. Interaction the growth of the team. How they interact with each other during really challenging times in the game in the season with the media with the fans with the opponents Like the Indiana Pacers. Who took me to game seven in Eastern Conference finals here? We're going to see that episode nine and they were really challenged early on. I believe they started the season. Like under five hundred for the first you know and the season they get one point. Five and five eighty. You know this was a team of five championships. And they were barely five hundred eighteen through November the thing. It's a really tough time. Feel that the owns. It ended up from an inside out. How originally shot to an outside in approach? I think they switch it obviously. Twenty Years Hindsight is twenty years of preparation. They kind of flipped it so instead of this kind of start inside the team build out. They're really going as you said They they they were showing all this old footage back to eighty and I was surprised they showed you know Jordan sixty three point game and all the back story on that going back and showing Phil Jackson Coaching in Puerto Rico in the eighties. It was really fascinating to see and I really I mean. Wow you know what mayor was. Somebody shot the Ripley freezing. Be really enlightening. Like I'm really. I'm glad they showed it. But it's clear to me that a project change in twenty. You know that instead of a true insight intimate look on the inside. It really became a kind of outside in looking at what was going on in the world sports in Jordan Jordan slowly built up the that step by step to how you build your career from a You know wonder kind star Freshman. Hit the winning shot in college to the greatest player of all time and and a true icon to the like Mohammed Ali and Babe Ruth. Over fifteen year period batch really what the story became but unfortunately left out a lot of intimidates. You know inside scoop of what was actually going on the team in that specific ninety seven ninety eight and remember saying to friends and family. Gosh I the first six up for six episodes. We're so much backstory. I feel like I'm watching the VHS comply with me all over again. I'm not critical of it but like see me crying. The the you know the the true the behind more behind the scenes which fortunately episode seven and eight. They really did a good job getting to you. Know getting into the some of the inside story of Jordan's relationship with Scott Burrell who is in New York played out just a little bit and pieces of that. We really need to see some of the interaction. There is That's what I remember on the plane. That's what I remember it. Crack some of that kind of one on one Building a camaraderie and and in a personal relationship of the team of how they came together. So that when they got to the playoffs It makes sense. It's got real finally showed up in that one game. I think three twenty something points off the bench in that first round and get the New Jersey Nets so It's it's things like that that I I I feel. Maybe they've missed a little bit but I understand or kicking. The big wide approach showing the whole sports world and the wider Global view. Of what the both manual Jordan Howard over fifteen year period As much as one eaten at the end Todd Smith Burgers joining us on the sports caster and her son. He was the manager of media services from the for the Bulls during the Jordan era. Ninety one to ninety nine now the CO founder and owner of Teamwork's media executive vice president. You mentioned the team plane. Tom And I want to know when people say to you your friends you know. Twenty something years later now Was it like on the team plane? Wh what was it like on on the bus riding the bus to games you know with Michael Jordan and that group of guys. What is it that we never got to see? What's your favorite story that you tell people about traveling on the plane what they were like? It's so interesting it it's like a unique cast of characters. Usually I would sit in the back of the plane with the Johnny Recur and Neil funk and some of the broadcasters that we travel with the team so that was kind of my geographic plate. I'm McLean but you had interesting Groups of packets. You know like certainly the you know the bill winning in Steve Kerr Whistler those guys Kinda hang together and in their own little private area of the plane. Jordan would be appoint cards Scottie. Pippen and Ron Harper and he might get a rookie like I think booth or or You know or rusty larue interesting character so he would get the rookie from trying and hold the cards or hold the cash because Michael would be getting electric skin underneath. Be Getting Treatment. So He'd need a hand to do that so literally someone at teammates a hold onto the courage part. It was like it was like High School Locker Games yelling and screaming and laughing and you know the. The cards are flowing in the dyson and flowing in the money. And you're just laughing and We're a favorite Phil Jackson. Word of jocularity. It's just boys will be boys silly having a good time Really enjoying themselves always a competition this is Jordan crew. Always something of me versus you. Let's keep playing until I win or playing too loud. There's enough money other table. That makes someone up nervous. I mean that was. That was Michael's way. You know tackling Paxton energy constant volume in laughter. And then you'd have someone no one would expect it. Someone McGinnis Rodman who actually ninety percent of the time would they incredible introvert? He would sleep on the plane and with a big leather coat over his head. You wouldn't even know. He was on the swing. Oh my gosh he was just an we think. Wow He's such a performer in so Flamboyant in many ways in his style and when and just a Super exceptional out on the court but the plane re-genesis time just sleep. You know and just got a hold up and wouldn't talk anybody and you know. Keep his own so it was interesting. Little pockets of characters But everyone had respect for their space and everyone got along for the most part I mean g get by. The team had won five titles. You're feeling pretty good. There's not a lot of you know I mean there's tension and stress with the season for you also know that there they were at the top up their their crafts they were. They knew there at the They were the best so they just had the data put up every Tom. Managing the the media request for this group of guys. I can only imagine some of the requests that you and the team received. Give me an idea of maybe some of the craziest requests. That don't know you guys had to turn down or the type of people that you started hearing from whether it was for Dennis Rodman or Michael or any of the guys but we're over the crazy behind the scenes that like nobody knew it was like. Oh my gosh. I can't believe that we're getting request like this it. Yeah I tell you what I first of. All this was an era. I didn't even have a cell phone when I was traveling with fifteen minutes of time. So there was. I didn't even have you know Email which is before email which is before all that so who only reach Our media relations person is leaving voicemails in print messages at the hotel and I will never forget when we first time came into to Vancouver which is nineteen ninety-five but Vancouver is a young team in the league at the time but then coober media are used to the NHL kings coming here so they would have the expectations. Players would WANNA. Oh someone would have breakfast with me and then you have lunch with with him and then maybe inner with so and so so the writer for the Vancouver Sun or the paper. He's Hey Mike to do a lunch with Phil Jackson. And maybe a dinner with a Dennis Rodman and Meka Day Breakfast with Michael Jordan. Tomorrow I mean I worked in the. Nhl Maybe but not quite in the NBA and those days and I can remember. I think I still have a a been or a box stored with my three days in Vancouver. The sale of the four seasons in Vancouver. Didn't that voicemail. Like think I have a stack of a hundred and fifty two calls with requests for interviews and we were there less than forty eight hours number one hundred fifty two for various things even if I wanted to even if I even if I tried I couldn't return all those phone calls and and take a you know how it is when you have a practice it is as my mentor. Our good friends and Hallam says that the senior director of public relations for the Bulls for forty years. He would say hey catch as catch can which means we're going to practice. We're going to be at this Jim. We're going to open up at the at the practice for about fifteen minutes and good luck. You gotTa jump on it and hope for the best that you get you. WanNa get and the result you know fifty people would be around Michael Jordan. Twenty would be around Scottie. Pippen and bunch chasing down there so that was the true definition of media. Scrum Back then but real quickly just to answer your question. You know some of the craziest requests. I mean we even have Requests Oh when with Dennis Rodman When WE'RE IN CLEVELAND? One time I remember which she wanted to go to send dusty Ohio and do roller coasters while doing an interview at Cedar Point you know it would be kind of like that or on their forget when the White House would call. And say hey. Is Michael available for golf with the President Tomorrow? Come I mean people would call it and What I mean. It was just a smattering. A you name it. You name it every request whether it's Barbara Walters from here Handwritten notes from Arnold Palmer to Michael Jordan. You show up at my golf. You know golf outing the summer and by the way that was Michael did do he wanted know no from Arnold Palmer. You didn't say no to that right out just fine. Wide Range smattering of requests. Most of them were knows. Respectful knows that with my job to give the respectful Peggy. You know well catch as catch can and You know it public relations and media services. It's it's It's more like going to your Sunny window and opening up the shade like one day letting the light in for about fifteen twenty minutes and then you gotta close to shape so that was kind of media relations like by trying to control the light coming in and then knowing when to open and close it We we weren't in need of trying to generate new PR with more managing the whole argued sanity. Talk about how much fun. The run was in the season in the whole focus. Obviously the documentaries the last dance last season together and I can almost to my senior year. Start out the year. Everyone's so excited I the last run and then it's over and you're like where did it go like you have like that big letdown? So take me through what it was like. Everything had calmed down after the parade after the celebration like at what point did you realize like wow like it's really over. And how did that feel? Yeah you know You in the moment. You can't metabolize what's really happening. And with the both it happened so fast in fact I'm sure you remember. It was gained after the parade and grant park where the famous Video of Phil Jackson Happen on a motorcycle and driving away from the Center for the last time I'd be I'd I believe it was like a week after the The season ended and it was that cast. It was like we had the big celebration Big Publican citywide celebration. And I know the the the players and the coaches got together one last time. I know I wasn't that private event that I you know I'm GonNa talk about. It does nine or ten and that was that final moment where this would probably the last time this could be in the room and I just remember feeling it happy was overshadowed and broke up so fast it just you couldn't believe it was actually happening in real time because you just withdrawal together and the players and everyone Were in the celebratory mode and also realizing that 'cause this is because we know even Phil Jackson when eighty two and no. He was not going to be coached the next year so very bittersweet. Tom Did you did. I just assumed that you knew any everything that they're telling us. Did you know about Dennis? Rodman and Carmen Electra. Little Late night rendezvous at the Borough Center I got. I didn't know that where it there was several trips That at dentists popped out and just said I'm GonNa you know they. They utilize they showed the they described the one vegas in January right after and came back and played with the team but back in November. We're on the West Coast Road trip. Start and it's the night before a game and inex- and Dennis was restless and said. Hey I I WANNA go see my friends. Pearl Jam warm up for the Rolling Stones in Oakland so Dennis agent made me go to Jackson say hey Dennis wants to go. I'll keep an eye on me. Neither media relations guy and I'll I'll ring the security guy and team photographer and Dennison's agent and you know we're just gonNA keep Pearl Jam and come back and still Jackson least that okay. The problem is we rich Oakland. We saw you know Pearl Jam from the stage and warm up for the rolling stones even credible moment The only problem is if you draw a line between Oakland and Phoenix Walk. Legal so on the way home to Phoenix. You have to stop in in Las Vegas for about five hours and we didn't get back to the hotel to the sun was already out. There were few of other excursions that went on But the dentist credit. You know. It wasn't drinking and crazy stuff. It was just fun and gambling and You know like the records or whatever and Denison joint or time so he's blowing off a You know even his way. And that's the that's the kind of how it was so there were a few of those uh trips and and fortunately I been middle that I would keep an eye on him so you can laugh about it now but oh man it all worked well in the end but there is some scary moments. They're GONNA make back. Oh Gosh last question for you Tom. I know they talked about Sam Smith's book the Jordan rules. But what were the team's rules behind the scenes in dealing? How you manage not dealing. I should say how you guys managed. All these personality is on the team in terms of you know behind the scenes. We're their rules on you. Know requests for Michael Request for Scotty re request for Dennis. How did you guys handle it? Yeah free question you know because the volume of requests questions We kind of try to do a divide and conquer back. Ben. Usually with one Media relations person traveled with the team entire season. And how single guy in my mid twenties. You know that was that was my that was my core. Role is just to have the consistency. They know that every plane they were. GonNa Steamy every bus. Every road trip on that was going to be my role so I would try to to to filter the requests in group on so that had never come to Michael Jordan. You know every day with a stack of things you try to wait until there's just a little loan scheduled or an opportunity to say. Hey can I sit down and spend five minutes with you and go sir about twenty to forty requests and you can just you know these out and we could. We could talk about. You know. That's how you handle someone's like Jordan and then also working in conjunction with the business office because Again with Falcons and business partners they would. They would also have appearances and request that they would actually funnel through me because I saw him every day they did you know working out of Washington DC. So it was always. Let's say once every two weeks I try to have a moment and just sit down for ten minutes and just got knocked down and and and then someone more like to request for Tony Coach. She got a lot of international media. Twenty reach him so I knew I could get with them once a week. And you say Tony Okay. Here's your here's your fifteen requests for you know for a bunch of international soccer. And so we try to Mac. Net out nate with you know. Nba folks on that the international and Pretty much everyone else Against Rodman requested agent. You know just because the unique nature You know when when I brought up before You know dentist just wasn't with community of on many levels you know you just couldn't come up to him every day child. Elaine read this meeting that. Yeah so you had to be Kinda work in in little who make you know with with with with your colleagues or with their aging but Most of my colleagues in meteorology and can help them in Laurie Weiskopf where I work with. We would handle we re grouped together all the other requests for John Cussler and all that and we would just approach them day to day Probably more like a a how it is today. You know much more organized and It was just divide and conquer. Just knew all you're trying to do with managing their workflow it as you can and make sure that every media requests get some sort of response they received it when they forty eight hours and try to get an answer within a few days to a week and just do the best you can wrestling. You know we're just coming in by the hundreds that's amazing. It was fun looking back. It was in fact. Remind the hell in icons God that blows my mind. Oh my gosh well. I look forward to when yours and not Tim Helms. Books come out behind the scenes the real behind the scenes. Tom Thank you so much. We look forward to your recap of the final two episodes That you guys will be doing backstage at the last dance on. Teamwork media's facebook and twitter Monday one. Pm Central Time. Tom smithburg thank you. So much for joining us on the PODCAST. Thank you my pleasure really enjoyed talking to you and thanks for letting me ramble on Every time you answer questions I just my brain Okasha remember this. I remember that thanks for Jogging. My memory we could. We could be here all day just talking about these things. I love it so thank you very much Tom. Thank you all right. Take it away. What's your predictions predictions. Still Corona Virus Female because that's all anybody seems to talk about First and foremost this week is very big week because Major League baseball is presenting their plan to Major League Baseball Players Association. I think that is going to be declined. All that I've heard is that the conflict between the salaries the owners don't want to pay the players a full season. The players want to be paid a full season be compensated for putting their lives and the lives of their families at risk. So I going to be denied. I still going to be very long time before. We have sports with that being said not only do. I think I'm going to school. I think the my School University of Texas will be playing football in the fall Big Twelve Texas is a state. Seems very committed to doing that so I think we'll see football soon enough and then finally my final prediction. My school has announced three potential dates graduation prom august November December. I'm going to say that we have a November promising. Well that's a that's quite specific than to to you and your life and I. I hope you're right. I hope you do get to enjoy that. My final thoughts rarely do we have an opportunity to work with greatness. I'm not talking about you Jason Too often. We are so busy. Here's roses is when I try to be funny too often. We're so busy that we just don't really see what's around us. We all knew that Michael Jordan was the greatest basketball player but watching the last dance. Documentary has really made me appreciate the very small part that I had in my career covering the Bulls from one thousand nine hundred ninety three on. I was not one of the reporters who got access to Michael. I was one of those we call them. You know in the scrums the big media. Scrums YOU I. I was always in the back and trying to you. Know Get your microphone in there and that is how I learned from experience fast forward when I would cover the blackhawks and their Stanley. Cup runs how I learned how to get to the front. Michael always stuck around after games answered every single question. I'm not kidding you. Every single one there was no last question from media person standing around telling the the reporters instead there were typically two waves of reporters talking to Michael Jordan because there are so many trying to get a sound bite he would answer all the questions the first group when they were done they then back out walkaway and the next group kind of walked up and would ask him questions often the exact same questions he just answered he never got upset he never said. I'm not answering that question anymore. He just repeated his answer. You don't see that from today's top athletes. Michael was a master at controlling his image. He never knew which reporter was going to be that important to him that day that morning. Whatever so he gave everyone his all. It was really amazing to watch so I found in my Home Office. The I'm back fax. That was received. I think I got it from David. Fox Office I saved it. I framed it. I'm so glad that I did. I also found his second retirement. Press release. It's little things like that. That kind of take you back and make you remember how lucky you can be if you just keep your eyes open and really appreciate the people who are around you. I've covered a lot of athletes in my career and by far Michael was indeed the greatest listening checks Napa. Podcast soundcloud spotify tune. In and wherever you may listen and thank you time. Smithburg from Teamwork's media you can find him at teamwork media's Backstage at the last dance on facebook and on twitter as well don't forget they will be recapping. The final two episodes on Monday after they air one o'clock central time check out. Teamwork's media's facebook and twitter accounts also check out teamwork meadows levied a on social media platforms. Facebook TWITTER INSTAGRAM. Youtube and Lavina Baseball DOT COM a reminder. If you love the show please leave us a review. Go to rate this. 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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 320: The 90s Bulls and the NBA

GSMC Basketball Podcast

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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 320: The 90s Bulls and the NBA

"Get your ears wrapped around the Golden State media concepts basketball? Podcast all the scoop you need to know from college basketball to the NBA and even much madness. Zoos of your rising stars topics on and off the hard work. This is the golden state media concepts basketball PODCAST JIO CENTE- data boring podcast via Simpson. Part were hosts place booth baby. What still basketball we debate we inform we give information and we talk about all things basketball right here on this podcast today. Whatever the show for you like that. We're going to talk about a lot of different things about some news and notes around the League. Also talk about some. What if we're GONNA talk about some matchups You know People comparing since you know the the last dance documentary came out about Michael Jordan. Do a review on the next podcast. This one I do review the no last names from the next podcast. But wh- basically that came out and everybody's Abu tweeting about that as a big deal in the NBA world Big but also raise some questions obviously A lot of people preparing for this week. Obviously Shack in the Lakers. From when they won their championship shocked said he thinks he can beat the nineties bulls we even have another one of the warriors with Kevin. Durant the nut bulls as part of what we're GonNa talk about the day all sorts from bleacher report. And we're GONNA talk about other other news notes around the League that that is going on that is that is that is currently happening and you know just you know just a lot of different things that are popping up happening around the League You know 'cause that's what we do here. We talk about basketball. We have fun with it. We we have a good time with ENDO WE WANNA try to get as much content as we can't be pushed out to you. Obviously is you know. I'm also on the football podcast with Ethan Oman on that. Drop on Tuesdays in the night of the individual one that drops on Friday. We're GONNA be talking about the NBA MB at the NFL draft preview. Tomorrow or at the same time whenever whenever it's GonNa drop at the same time so either way but basically we're going to do that and so yeah like I said a lot of stoves happening. There's still some sports news coming in here and there. Obviously you're in this time of just not eating live really happening obviously. Nba China work towards potentially opening the season. But I also think that they were able to arrange on. Espn like they did with the two cake tournament with Kevin Durant. They have ranged horse contest and now after two weeks. We have our horse winner. Which as Mike Conley of the Utah Jazz wins the Horse Competition that? Espn is hosted He'd be Zach Levine. In the finals and so that he used your horse champion even though we have no idea that ever do this again. He is your horse champion now. So okay now. This is what I thought about the competition see. I feel like this was a pandemic was not going like this horse. Competition would be shots probably at one common location and even if they did it to multiple locations. I think the quality would be better in terms of this obviously. Espn can't get their cameras out there. So they can record it in clear crystal clear. H Ne- It seems like all of this stuff was shot off a phone or camcorder so it's kind of blurry so the quality of it wasn't always the best but it did give it kind of an authentic realness to it but it was just. Kinda like okay. That's not the best. Obviously you had the guy who's at his house. Espn host who is really. You know talking to the Horse Competition. He was there and you know trying to do his best to get people motivated to do horse in you know. Get involved with it. It's something that I think is interesting to me seeing because I think you know the SPN right now. It's looking for ideas to to get content. They luckily been able to do things here. And there to get some content on there it really just kinda pains It's something that I think is going to be interesting. Moving forward that they were able to do something like this Like I said I don't even know if they're even going to. Maybe even have something like this again. Like I say we all know this could just be for quarantine reasonings and just knew how many content but food most part you do. I I enjoy what I see. Is Your web seen in? Listen I got all these petitions could be better but I guess you're doing the best which you have during this time and I guess we should still be appreciated that we even have contents to watch. That is fun and I think that's just what they're trying to give is to give people. Funding entertainment may not be the greatest quality. But we want to give you some content that you can sit back on your couch watching. I think that's what he did with his horse contest at the other news the NBA has now agreed. May to start withholding twenty-five percent of players checks as the NBA The NBA Players Association. The owners have degree to to that there. With start withholding twenty-five percent of players check so obviously players about loose money which is expected as again a lot of businesses are having to make cuts a lot of people are cutting salary because of this pandemic. There's nothing going on for them to make it. So obviously. That's a big issue. I mean you're seeing all over the landscape like like like like in the NFL like the issue is they have a lot of workout bonuses. They give out. But there's no camps to work out for because that's what you get paid for so you can't give out that there's a lot of money being withheld obviously. Nba Players. Like I said technically the playoffs. The playoffs start this past weekend. Players are supposed to be getting paid for that too if you made the playoffs layout now. They're not getting that either. So it's just Kinda like any money they're supposed to get out the year they're not going to get because of this any deadline. If they get paid by March thirty first you can pay by. May first they pay by June twelve. They're not getting any of that. They're withholding a lot of it and if they do give it to you. They're withholding a certain portion which I very much expect them to eventually get all of the money that they are owed. Because I don't think this is like okay. We're never going to give you a diamond this but they're just doing it for now because the NBA cannot afford to give everybody their money. And I think that's one of the reasons also why they're trying very hard to the league back and started because at least with. Tv deals that they have. They can make money from that other things which can help still brings money into the league and then also create the the the ability to now pay these players. Obviously if any of these players have been handling their money well. It shouldn't be too much of a problem because they have some money. But obviously you know as a player it's going to suck stone. I getting that for check that you've been getting home the League because you know you've always been pretty good with what you do so listen. I think it's GONNA to. It's going to be interesting. What happens see how we how we get to the situation but I think there's no panic I think there's no need to be destru- concerned. I think we have to come out there every day and we just have to keep hoping for the best. That's really all you can do in a situation like this and I think that's what we're gonNA keep doing in terms of that you know so. I think that's that's another big thing also Jimmy Butler Obviously you know a lot of teams can't get together in person allow. The Atlanta Hawks are team has been known they have done a lot of zoom. Meet up coaching meetings. To Castillo talked to the players. The players to play the excetera update the players Jimmy Butler when I was way in all of his teammates hoops so they all his teammates. They I mean you think every basketball player. We have a hooper day house but I guess he said if you don't have a who here's a Hoop I sent you hoop so you can still play basketball. You can still do your thing. So obviously that's been a big thing. Obviously that's a very nice gesture of Jimmy Butler to go out of his way into you know. Try to you know still say. Hey guys. Don't don't let's not sit around you know. We can't play altogether. We can't be together right now but we can still practice on our own. If you don't have the goal right now or your goals Kinda for something else than you know you can give you one. I think that's pretty. That's pretty nice of Jimmy Butler. Do Belly really doing a lot for his teammates while he's been in Miami so that's that's a great thing. And then lastly there no sir going to promote from within they promote their assistant general manager to top. Gm obviously this is probably usually teams with these types of Denver. They usually have a lot of guys they like from within the organization so even when they lose somebody who may have been a big part of what they've done they usually like to keep people who already have known the blue in our very maybe think very similarly to what they've done and they'll just promote from within wish with which they did here so he will be the guy moving forward to leave the Denver Nuggets Organization from a personnel standpoint. Which is going to be very very exciting. And we'll have to see what happens with the Denver. Nuggets moving forward now obviously highlights they. Obviously you know number dougie. Gm went to the Chicago Bulls so this promoting was destined to happen. I would feel like but that's all we have this segment coming up next though. We're GONNA talk about shock. As he said his Lakers could easily beat the bulls ninety. Break it down and talk about it here. Eighty is still expect there around the league to stay with the Lakers. Even though his houses of Brazil stay for all that right here on the Pie. Are you looking for the very best? Nfl and college football podcast then check out the GSM see football. Podcast get the latest football news. Both on and off the field from the NFL draft to treats to the rumor mill to the NFL combines they got you covered that's GMC podcast dot com slash football dash podcast get updates on college rivalries key insights and much much more. It's football talk the way you want it. This show each sleeps and breathes football. Don't forget to like on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Yes MC PODCAST DOT COM for more INFO. Jeez basketball podcast. I sing when we talk about music. Notes around the League you know he talked about what we need is for the boss. Park for that first segment. I wanted to hit on Mike. Conley winning the Horse Competition on the ESPN. Obviously I discussed with my thoughts about how it could be better not to not too long very brief. I discussed my thoughts on that obviously again. This is just content. They're trying to give to the people to give us something to watch. But Mike Conley use your first horse champion on. Espn is capacity during the quarantine. Also we talked Jimmy Butler sending his teammates buckets hoops to be able to still. You know I guess you don't have a hoop still practice still play. You know every obviously teams together right now. also also has decided to withhold twenty percent of players. Chicks starting in May so obviously checks won't be still be set the players but it won't be containing the whole mount. Obviously you know at least players can still get paid. But it won't be to the same extent they've been getting pay or the same amount they have been getting paid and also the ever nuggets promoted from within promoting their assistant general manager to General Manager. So that was news and notes really surrounding the league. Is You know allergies. I like to do on this show. I like to update around the news world. I now we're going to get to some other stuff now. We're GonNa talk about something shack it so obviously this week like I said the last dance came out Sunday. Obviously this hallway. People have been kind of in a way preparing for talking about Jordan. All the things about Jordan leading up to him. Obviously people always want to compare teams. Could have this team played the Bulls. Would they have been able to the Bulls and you CETERA. Will Shack obviously was a part of a great dynasty in La in early two thousands of Kobe. In Rick Fox and Derek Fisher and all them was asked he was asked he was he was asked. Do you think y'all could compete against the nineties bulls and he said yes. We'll beat them very confirming so obviously they're starting to wholesale debate. Obviously about could Lakers beat the Chicago Bulls. Now if we break it down and we break it down like this. Obviously this is still younger Kobe. This was like a becoming star. Cobi would with during this time so this was still a pretty high in player. Cobi at this point maybe not the same. Kobe knew doesn't five thousand six when he was like. I think at the peak of his game but you know he was still upcoming player. Anonymously Shack was a very dominant player at this time. Obviously the big thing with this matchup would be check. I think in Shack said he was like in people's eighty two. They like well. Nobody can guard shack. Shack can drop thirty on any of the Bulls players. So if anything. It's it'll be more about the bulls being able to stop everyone else not necessarily shock and what made the Lakers so dominant was? They were very good defensive team with two star players who could give you thirty on any given night and so I think that obviously going to be the big thing. I think it's funny because remember the year that Michael Retired and Houston Rockets. Won The championship. That year will Houston always has said like if we played them we would beat them because no one could. Ghar lies along so basically the perception is both these teams. They have very top level. Big Men you know. And so they feel like okay. Well they can't. They can't guard him in that capacity. You know some people think Phil Jackson's always been a guy of you know Phil Jackson's coaching philosophy. He's never really been the guy or the type of guided team. So if you're not gonNA shock and you're GONNA leave him down. Rahman you Robinson destroyed. And the poached obviously would think. George will do his thing. you know obviously like. I said YOU HAVE THE ANCHOR DOWN. Low obviously the NBA game was different. So a lot of shots were closer to the Rim shots. Were mid range to to the basket. Obviously you have shacking Aaron. I understand I understand why he believes that he just feels the key would be that big of a difference because he may feel like they never played a big guy as dominate as he was during that time so he feels like why wouldn't we able to compete with them. They haven't even played dominators me on the bull side of things obviously got Jordan. He Jordan in any capacity. You still get his still can play hard. Still be great. You Know Scotty pippin still to be that Robin still playing. Well right defender. He'll probably guarding him and Jordan. That's GonNa be a tough match up for young coby. Coby won four years in the week. Oh that's still young Kobe. Twenty two hundred zero going against Jordan. Ping you know especially if you're in their primes that'd be a tough match ever Kobe. I think the series would be dictated. What Kobe do if Kobe Kobe? I just I don't see 'cause you you need your best players to play well and I feel like they may not be able to stop shack. But they can't stop coke but they can stop colby. Were necessarily the Bulls best players is on the perimeter in wing in terms of soaring and outside of Kobena. Fox's fine everything like that. Do they have the guys to guard? Jordan pippen incurred energy all them. So obviously I think in this situation I would go the boards. I think the Bulls would. We would beat the Lakers and also some people in there at this up to this. Lakers team did lose to a Detroit team with no quote unquote superstar. So if you watch that series you'll see oh so. Basically if if if the Bulls do that they can beat them. I think that's one thing too. Is that when you're a championship dynasty if you lose during that time but some people may look at the team loss to they lost to the Detroit Pistons. Or what makes you think you could beat the Chicago Bulls so I can definitely see where people are coming from when it comes to that. But I think I'm GonNa go with the Bulls here. I think Jordan number going to get it done. I do think it's going to. I mean this is going to seven games potentially George never made it to game. But maybe you would because like. I said they've never played a big man as dominant shack ever during the run they played great big men but they haven't played dominant. Big Men. Big Big men like shack. So maybe you could say that would be the difference. That would be the other thing but to me. I think the bull would still be able to get it in six games to me or seven at the most. I think they would win. Either one I think that you know I just I. I feel like if this coby coby took seven Kobe Albert Order. Koby and then you gave me prime shack. Then I'd be like okay. Maybe the Lakers. I just feel like a four year in the league. Even though he was coming becoming a star Cobi I just. I don't know if they have all bodies they could throw at them in the League defenders. It's just I don't know I could give the Lakers the advantage. I just that just makes me kind of hesitate for second and makes me wonder if I could really actually go out and say that and go with that debt decision now would also similarly here news eighty has put his house up for sale obviously discoveries crazy news and the new circuits because people wonder obviously a free agent. Come up for a player and he's putting his house up for sale. Does that mean that he's planning a leading? Because why would you put your house over? So if you're GONNA play saying I don't think you should read it too too much. I think one thing I've heard is that a lot of GM's I think they said eighty five percent of people in the League in the front office. Believe Anything Davis will stay with the Lakers. I think Emily Davis stay also because of think about everything he did to get to the Lakers. Why would you do all this to get to Lakers? Just lead the Lakers. Like you went to all this just to get to the Lakers. Just because you want to be able to win and compete. What other team would you legitimate? Be Interested in. That will get you there. I mean I'm surprised. Honestly I don't hear more golden state rumors I would think would say China. Make a push Adam. They haven't even their their focus on Janas. So I think you know I think for the most part. Anthony Davis will probably end up staying with the Lakers and playing with the bronze for another year high disdain. That it's GonNa probably be his best choice. Moving forward I don't see again why he would leave that scenario in that situation to me. I think that's probably his best case. Scenario best situation to win and for him to reach the goals that he may have created him for great for himself for his career. Moving forward going into the future of you know his career. You know just trying to figure out what's next for Amny Davis so I think that will probably be the best in right move. Frankly Davis to go ahead. Stick with the Lakers. Probably GonNA ream up a new house and just go from their potential. You never know he could be taken advantage of the fact that you know interests in housing prices are going down during this pandemic like well. Maybe I can get even better house for even less than his house. So you never know what could be through a lot of people's mind during this time but You know so I think That's pretty much going to be that when it comes to them but anyway that's all we have for this segment coming up next very interesting topic coming up. We're GonNa talk about could the NBA n college basketball. Because of what happened with Jason Green Number One crew from the two thousand twenty class. And also we're going to debate can The warriors with K. Be Able to beat the Chicago Bulls in the nineties all that right year and more on the podcast check out the show that is built on the MMA from the UFC. Two extreme cage fighting. They got the fights covered. Check out the GMC M A PODCAST. Get the latest news on past or upcoming fights. Join US as we've talked to in about some of the biggest names in the past present future when it's the fight game there's just one showed checkout GSFC podcast dot com backslash mame. Dacha podcast. Don't forget to like on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Gsm See podcasts. Dot Com for more info welcome back to the GMT basketball podcast last segment. We talked about if the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe could beat the nineties and I gave my two cents on that. I went and said that the Bulls would probably win the series and sixty seven games. Because I just feel like with Jordan Pippen and all them and Rodman in all them. They can throw at Kobe. I just I just I go. He was still in his fourth year. You know and I I just I don't think he he's a great pick up and coming player a star but I don't think he's at that level where he he would be consistently great every game they would were shocked would I know shocking to dominate. What it really just depends on what Koby does and how Kobe performs and we also talked about Anthony Davis putting his house up for sale in. La Everybody believes he staying in La so we'd probably was just something. He's just trying to get another house a better house. Whatever you know. He's he has no intention of really leaving as far as we know. So you know that. That's that's that but now we're GonNa talk about something that's happened recently so obviously no college. Basketball players who recruit colleges commit to colleges will Jalen Garri of the twenty twenty class the number one prospect in the nation. Obviously we've all grown of Irish. Shutting Down Basketball has greed instead of going to college has agreed to go to the G. League go through their professional program there for their up and coming professional program get paid five hundred thousand dollars and basically playoff season the G. League before entering the draft. This is something that not a lot of people done It's interesting why now people are doing it. It must be something they've had for awhile but maybe you know obviously as a kid. It's like edgy. Lee-ing I don't really care you know whatever but I think that this move has obviously created some questions we'll this make all top recruits. Now go to the G. League early so because they're getting paid and also remember in basketball. We look at college. Basketball is the second highest level of basketball. You can play so go there because of that if you want to stay in. The United States will the G. League consisted of guys who've already went to played college and now are sometimes getting caught up to MBA rosters here and there and basically are higher level player in which we played at college level. Obviously players do this when it comes to going overseas a lot of players overseas when the coming out of high school because they get to get paid right away and they're playing against grown men so you can say playing against better competition potentially in so basically him making this decision now has made it be like okay. Let's say goes welfare. Will other top players follow behind him where they'll be like you know? I don't really WANNA in College. I want to go to college because college is literally just a year thing and you're not getting paid. We're now the G. League offering you where you can play against great good competition. Who are guys who are also competing to try to the NBA? You're getting paid to do it. You're getting put in front of NBA coaches and scouts. From the get go so now team can really have an eye on you. I mean we all the details but I'm assuming you're getting input in front of all of that and then can still enter the draft almost in a way can get you more prepared for the NBA. 'cause obviously yes the. G. League is a step up and talent when Yugoslavia. But it's I think some people would say it's a step up and talent from the college level. It's it's that level between being college and that's not going to hurt you because you've seen some of the results that people have have going overseas to play against better competition getting paid and how when they came to lead. They've seen more ready Luca Brandon Jennings's got another guy and so this this really could set up a unfortunate situation for college basketball where a lot of the top guys might decide not go to college because they can go to the G. League in get paid in play you know and I think this is why again since Basketball Association. Unique sport where you're already a top player coming of a draft when you leave high school kind of makes you wonder is college. Could become more irrelevant in also. This could put pressure on colleges to now pay college players to keep the top players coming to college because remember the college sports and business ratings revenue. All of that matters of all the players aren't going to college MBA program. I mean a big. Tv companies are going to put their money into the G. League say we're going to put more into G. League content to give these top players a platform to be on the national stage. Play in front of these audiences were because college basketball will yes. Ads Duke. But who'd is Duke. Have that we honestly care enough to see who? Who are these top they? They literally can market their college doing anything. That doesn't need marketing into to that degree is march madness because this is the most exciting time of year but during the regular season college basketball would make people watch players. You have to watch a player. Oregon is the college sport. So if you support that college basketball team you know where you know. If the top players like men of Zion went to the G. League and then they play daily teams national television. That would put more is on. Did you think about Lebron son? He's a top recruit coming up but he's also brawn James Son that while they're patting his high school games on ESPN because He's a top guy. Lebron James's son. People are gonNA WANNA see the Brian. James's son so that this could definitely put the NC double a in a in a very big situation where they're in this predicament of okay. We want them to come here to keep to keep marketing them. But we're not offering money like they are. We can only offer free scholarship and the fact that can player in front of a college. But that's not enough for players nowadays if I can make five hundred K. instill played for a team. Instant still not affect my draft status. Why would I not pick that option so I think that definitely puts them in a very weird position ver inevitably and I think they got to figure out what they're going to move forward to not allow this to happen but we have to see if there are actually will be a trickle down effect but having the number one prospect in a class go to the G. League college does a President that the college the Institute a College Basketball deathly needs to be worried about but now we're going to discussion the warriors with Katie versus the bull? This has been something that some people wondered. I think in unmatchable that obviously the Bulls would have the advantage of the paint. Because obviously there. The words are not a very big team. We're GONNA have some of leading biggs and dream on. I think it would come down to this in this low threes if Golden State is on fire from three. I think winning the game. I just 'cause you're thinking about the league game was at a different time where they played. They didn't shoot. Three's much and the three's worth more than to sit here and getting the painting shoot may rangers and score would have Corinne Clay Brick hefner rain threes. There are still going that one extra pointing you. Unless you're completely shutting now golden state in the paint in the mid Ridge. Also their offense is very wide range. Which now again. They're they're running everybody's running off screens. Everybody's running off everything they're probably going to do. They're small ball lineup of GIF which is gonNA take Rodman out the paint. It's GONNA take everybody out the pain and obviously lead enough to guard out the paint. So it's not like who put on Draymond you don't want your best defenders own for sure but can also run the offense finally open man so I think the the the warriors would beat them because they just have abortifacient way of scoring to me unless the bulls suffocate. The warriors defensively they do that. Don't win but if I don't think against such offense a firepower they can suffocate them because I don't think the Bulls stop them. I think a lot of people are GONNA ask. Also Essay depends on the rules that you're playing in like is there Lee rules or today's rules but that's just what I think is what is pretty much the case when it comes to who I think is gonNA actually end up winning. And who won't but that's of the segments coming up next. We have bleach reports list of twenty twenty three ages of where they could go. They give three options. I'm GonNa talk about each of those three options for each of those players right here on the Paul check out this show built around the women of MMA from the UFC to the extreme cage. Fighting we the fights cover the golden state media concepts women's MMA podcast. The latest news of upcoming twice discussions previous matches. Join us as we talked to in about the biggest names in women's mixed martial arts past present and future when it's the women's fight game you know to listen to the golden state media concepts women's MMA PODCAST. Welcome back to the GMC basketball podcast by here at the podcast network last segment we talked about could the NBA. Ed College basketball with the new system. That has been for college athletes to now our players go to high school now to go through the G. League plague g league players get paid to play against you guys. You know that's going to be obviously a big fake. I think that's going to be very that. We have to keep a watch out for that. Can maybe end some things cost about Katie. The warriors with Katie or the Bulls. I said something that may be very controversial with a lot of order. Basketball fans That I think the those words would wade because I just feel like a gold stays on it from three. I think it'd be Chicago's Bush team. You know the shoot threes there now. Everybody should be able to lock down gold state every Gabe seven game series about saying they can't score but it's just like you know they can buy Jordan Vogel BODIES AT PICNIC AND THROW MORTAL BODIES EVERYBODY. Know Katie. Could Guard Jorge Arteaga Stop Jordan? I mean I'll go stop doorbusters saying well you think. Jewelry Stock Eighty. You know. It's kind of like that but I think what we're going to get some bleach report loose we're going to get into the bleacher. Report lists now of six age. They have listed on here. The three teams they have connected with these people. We're GONNA discuss what Oscar discuss. What I think about the options that have been given to these six players so the first guy on this list is Fred and fleet one of my favorite point guards in the NBA. Guy Who come off the bench. But I think it might be. It is better to Kyle lowry but I- giddy. He plays veteran off a bitch. People just play better that role of lubes probably better than most gardens lead but it comes off the bench every team. I mean. That's just kinda how that goes their plan as the Toronto Raptors. Obviously you would make sense because you know Dr giving him his success tomatoes giving him who superstar the only thing about it. Is You know how much they will pay. Vanfleet? How much can they give? Those are like the real questions here because it's not like they could pay Vanfleet topmasts money. That's not their starting point guard. Even though you may be say calories out the door but these could. He's going to demand. A lot of money in Toronto was necessarily willing to sit. You're just give it up to Vanfleet right off the bat. But having him there you know well actually helped them for championship. Contention it obviously. I think badly those teams that will give the one of the best chances to win the New York Knicks. Also this list. The obviously the Dick's have a water cap space. So they could give this bad. I mean you. Basically they make overpay this man but they he could help. He could work with Iran deal if he wanted to. And you know Huby the starting point guy. He'd be the guy so this'll be a chance for him to be the guy and so that would be something that would be very good. You know for him if you want to further his career maybe get more know attention as a point. Guard this game as a top guy. It made me a part of the New York Knicks rebuilding to them to be a good good franchise. Once again last listened to Detroit Pistons. Obviously Detroit can't offer as much in terms of the near future competitive as long as blake. Griffin's deeper assists but they do have some young talent so it would be an option that he should also. Let's look into obviously a lot of point guard. Positions are open so these are the these are the teams right. Now that you know okay put governorships open. He could join them. It did become a very big part of what they do. And what the organization was to be forward next next player. Do Nari Plan for dealing ours. Miami OBVIOUSLY MIAMI. He wanted you know. God Galadari this year and the trade before the trade deadline. They just couldn't get together so he's GonNa be created. They could talk again so of Canal. He goes to the heat. I think that just as a stretch for they could add to the lineup. It makes this TV deeper and just as the guy who could make you know plates. It'd be it used Porsche creation of Miami and I think you know maybe that'll be the most elite player that department but he could definitely Sativa Lennick four three guy he could he could definitely Abacha. Problem gets smaller wings or slower. Bigs so I think that's GONNA be important. Obviously as we know God are as a three point specialist so obviously that would be something that would be it. Benefited the Miami Heat when it comes to that if they want to pick up new. Nari obviously play a B. will be Oklahoma City and you know Galleria has found a good home with the home city. And you know maybe you should stay. Maybe he should play for the team know the year. They is not hurting him. It's actually helped his career area surge so you wouldn't sit there and say oh he's hurt him. He's affected him. He's he's changed in in a negative way is actually benefited him. So I think it'd be something that you should look into. And then the Phoenix Suns. Obviously the Phoenix Suns needs somebody who could space the floor De'andre Eight and really being more interior player so our Nari can help with the ball movement and in the space on the floor. Obviously being three point shooting that can shoot from any part of the floor. The Marta Rosen. Flare off if he also you know the main reason why he writes at Spurs. I think it's just money. They're paying him. Twenty seven point seven. We're not sure if you'll get that anywhere else. But if he cares about money that much San Antonio will be the team I think he would want to go back to play even though he hasn't had the greatest success there and he may be looking for more of a longterm packed. Plan B with the Orlando Magic. Obviously the Orlando Magic. We'll be a team. That would be very interesting to pick up obviously if especially declined his option this off season now now obviously the magic are are in desperate need of getting more points on the team obviously to rose in one of the reasons why he's even in this position because he is a big range to independent score. The game is more of a three point game so his scoring is necessarily today's NBA liking in so some people may wonder if that will be something he will look into and also the Dallas Mavericks. Obviously this would just add to the offense of scoring. They have been. There's also also depends on Tim. Hardaway declines is nineteen million dollar player option. But we'll have to see if he can work Luca. I don't know maybe Rick Colleague Work Await for word but we'll have to see what happens especially if also Chris Zinc is also needing his touches as big of a player. He can be number three Gordon Hayward Plan a Boston Celtics on you know. He had a good. He's had a good year this year. And you know Boston you know. Remember his piece. I you know. Season's cut short second year to work his way back third year. He's played well. You know there's really no reason why he could leave. You know because remember. He's getting paid thirty. Four POINT TWO MILLION. If he stays he has the money. He's GonNa be competitive team. He still be a good player. I mean to me I feel like this would be his best fit but I can understand him if he wanted to go somewhere else. Another team that goes also Dallas. If the Tim Hardaway Junior decided to go out of the way and leave he could be someone who could replace him and I think he could replace them and not. Even they wouldn't lose the spark on the offense of and then lastly the Miami He. That's more I think if the Ari if not around. Fdr ends up leaving. I think they would definitely look into picking up Gordon Hayward to help with the versatility on the wing and because he can play the two in three position number two Brandon Ingram obviously a restricted free agent. So obviously they could match any offer. Obviously top pick on this New Orleans. Pelicans you had to break up your Breakout your the Pelicans. No Retail Lee. Necessarily you're not in any rush to leave your door. They don't there's no. There's no press for you to leave your even going to be the guy. Whoever is in the market everything around you are basically still the best player overall on the team in terms of production. Right now is I might surpass eventually. But you made your all-star debut because this tune with a team that have surrounded around you might able to keep you in a flourishing way or the Atlanta. Hawks are a team that has been interesting. Could they try to put another trend? Another star row trae young. Obviously if you bring a Brandon Ingram bringing twenty five points a game you know that could be well especially they do decide to let go of John Collins Yacht somebody who replaced the scoring there and maybe a better defender. And that could maybe work. Hawks want to go out and shove money out for that. And maybe looking at that for Clint Cappella you know because a good duo and lastly the Charlotte Hornets. Obviously the tallest have some young talent batting ingram. Help out another piece to that unit with Michael Jordan's team and get them in the best position to be successful moving forward and then last week. Davis obviously the Lakers. I mean listen. The right plan with Brian James that she has to win a championship playing in. La gets paid. The Max no reason for him to leave really usually no reason why there's no there's there's no reason for relief. I mean you know. He's he's he's supermax and it's understandable. Now he somehow decided not to leave. Miami Heat would probably be a team that could be in the states in the Chicago. Bulls obviously people convicted bulls to him just because of his hometown ties but I think everybody pretty much knows he will be staying with the LA LAKERS. Unless something foreseen happens that causes a rift within him in the team or the front office that makes them want to leave. But that was the list report powered my thoughts on that list. But coming up next we're GONNA talk about Tai Lu. I'm the next job. 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Less Egli broke down Reports list of six agents and three options connected to six different players. I discussed my thoughts and every player in the team's connected to them. Obviously because you know again they happen to cancel. See let me. We're GONNA be going right into the off season with free agency. We'll come and obviously says we don't know we still have to kind of project okay. We'll have the season does end in the free agency does start in your off. Season starts will wear these players going. Whose staying where who's going where I mean you gotta think about. This is a weird time for free agents. Because they don't know like okay. When do I make this decision? Verger sitting at home. Probably not even thinking about it. But it's just kinda like Dang I really came no one to actually start grilling 'cause I don't WanNa start thinking five months ahead of free agency potentially cause. I think obviously the police are GONNA come back. I WANNA focus on that. I don't want to sit here and say yeah. I'm going to leave the team before the season's over there that we start the season bag it's like oh. I keep playing so obviously. We'll have to see what happens with that but we also have some news from the coaching ranks. Tire Lou. Former Cleveland Cavalier head coach and personnel. The Twenty Sixteen Championships in Cleveland is interested in becoming the head coach of the Brooklyn Nets and reuniting with point guard. Kyrie Irving where Kyrie in a title had a good relationship in Cleveland. He was one of the guys that was connected to the Brooklyn job after they fire. Kenny accident organic agreed. To part ways. Kyrie Irving is a fan of tyler. Entire lose a guy that some people thought would. It became the Lakers head coach. Little Bron but instead was brought to become an assistant coach and so basically if we look at the team it would be a smart move. I think Kyran Kevin Durant or best friends so I think Kevin would trust. Kyrie's move if they brought entire Lou and if they bring Anti Il work I think you know I mean the thing about tile Lou that he has he's played with speak superstar is a big personalities. He's played with a Kevin Durant type player in the Bron James who we considered one of the biggest divas and drama Queens in some NBA Circles. And He's played with career. He knows how to make you happy. He knows how to work with these super star players and then I think he knows how to make everybody else worked together to you know. I think that's something that I think happens. Remember people in Cleveland. He didn't get his fair shot after Bra literally. The team was not that talented. I think they started five and eleven and they fired him and people were like Dang you fired him so quickly after getting into the finals last year because remember. That too was more of a Lebron. I want him to be the coach. They Know Dan. Gilbert himself wanted him to be the coach he just did it because the BRA wanted it and he wanted the championship so obviously when the Brian left it makes sense why they were ready to just say okay. Yeah he's yeah he sucks. Let's get out of here when we know who is a very respected coach in this league. Obviously Brooklyn's trying to find that right head coach. You know combination with their players. Obviously when you have superstars is very important to have a coach that the superstars respect because since the NBA is such a player driven league. Now you can't just sit here and think okay we'll star is GonNa take any coach. The star players don't like young up and coming head coaches a lot of time because they may have growing pains. They have to go through it. Also because you know a young person may have a have a system that they want to implement but the star player doesn't want to do that system and then there's the clash and the agreement. We're obviously is easier when you have a team that doesn't like the big star because everybody is kind of like listen. I'm not a star. I shouldn't be out here trying to say we should play like this enlists blatantly obvious. You can't coach that's after I've seen enough games and tell you we need to run this and you know it's the team Friction that's why you've seen sometimes players teams. That don't have that major superstar worked together. But then they add. The starring doesn't work because it's just not the same dynamic stars. Don't think the same way as a regular player even all star players so I think Taibu would be a good addition to the team. If he brought he was brought in by the Brooklyn Nets. Obviously Brooklyn is expected to make a playoff run. Next year of coming around back Kyrie. Christopher Spencer did what do we don't know if they're going to trade either one even though you've heard both of them the trade bloc potentially but they keep the system they were Joe Harrison some other guys John Jordan Chris Jared Allen. Everybody like that. I mean Brooklyn is a team that's going to be projected to be up there at the top of the Eastern Conference next year competing for NBA Championship. And so you know and and and being the New York team that people can now go watch in support in like. Oh yes we love these guys in there in there competing you know. Remember the the nets. Haven't been to the finals since New Jersey Nets and Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson. If it's car that big three so you know obviously things have changed you know. Obviously things have have have maneuvered and everything like that. So obviously. That's that's going to be big to see what happens coming out of Brooklyn if they do end up picking him up. Don't be surprised if you hear more rumblings about maybe more of Katy wants to. It's like you have to start players. Obviously Katie's the price star player. But you know we'll see I'm sure Kyri in Katie will discuss it with each other and they'll try to figure out. Okay what do we want here? What do we prefer? What do we like? And they're going to try to see okay. Well they're GONNA go through. The Nets. Brash. Sean MARKS AND BE LIKE. Hey this is the guy we like or the nets are gonNA come to them and say. Hey this is what we WANNA do. Is We want to go. Do we have a sign off from both of you that you're okay with this? Tie Louis. No Cari son and off now Katie. Kyw We get Kyri can get katy to agree to that and everything will be alright and also with an office speaking of front offices. The Knicks obviously given your team now player. That's very interesting. On the Knicks rain. I was Kevin Knox when Kevin Knox came with the League. He had a pretty good rookie year. He was a guy that some people looked at. Oh yes potential to maybe be like a star guy not superstar but a good player and then his second year. He's conscious in so you in and people are starting to question okay. Maybe he might not even be in the lead in three years five years three to five years so dow this question of what is Kevin Knox. How good can you be? How talented Kenny be is? Is He really someone? That teams can really like or the Knicks. Really wrap themselves around and say you are a part of our core. That's going to get us to be good and Leon rose has been reported to not be sure what to think of him obviously. I'm sure he's looking at this roster and thinking okay. This is our core because every team with these young teams. There's always the core pieces Mitchell. Robinson is obviously a part of that core piece. Rj Barrett is another core piece. You Know Affonso is also in the core piece. But he doesn't know if Kevin Knox is a core piece or not. Is He a guy that they think can come around and we can keep them on this team and he can contribute in help us when in the future or is he a guy that? Kinda just like okay. Well when you're contracts we'd probably don't care too much to sign you back obviously. He's a decision that he has to make now being the new head of the New York Knicks because he has to do what he can get this team back winning ways back on the right track and getting back to winning basketball games cabinets like I said he like. I say I shine second year. Just hasn't impressed at all. Lost minutes losing rotation everything so I think it's something that is going to be questioned it's going to be people are gonNA wonder some people are just going to be like okay. So what's going on here? What is the thought process here? What a what are we really trying to do here. You know. I think that's going to be the big thing that you know. They're going to be trying to figure out knicks land. I mean listen. They have a lot to make a lot of players moving forward like I said. You have a nice core. Rj buried is a guy who probably can be all star player. I mean he could take jump next. You know in play even better. We don't know what's going to happen Obviously you know point guard. I think is probably one of the biggest needs and position right now. So that's why. Obviously they had connected Guy Light with great land fleet to the Knicks I don't know if they're willing to give out a lot of money for a point. Guard like Fred Vanfleet. It just feels like every move the knicks makers just like I mean they have money. They're overpaid for guys or good. But not great and then we're going to end up being mediocre. So you know he's going to have to definitely change this The reputation of the New York Knicks and really built this team in a way where they can be successful. Obviously they're going to be bad team this year. So they'll have a chance to be able to get a lamelo ball or an Anthony Edwards or James Wiseman honestly I think if they have the top pick I mean obviously they're probably GonNa go for Anthony Edwards but even if they got the second or third pig. I think they really need to look very strongly into Lamelo Ball. Lamelo ball could definitely be the point. Guard the team future. I mean. Imagine a ball part of the baby's brain in New York. You know you know Lavar will have a big big big party about that being a big city but you know. I think he could be a guy. The Knicks need to seriously look at if they can't get Anthony Awards initials NBA draft. Because I would think that would be the pick if they cannot get him because they're looking for a guy who can make an immediate impact can change the fortunes of this franchise and builder team and add. Add core pieces to this team and maybe in twenty twenty one potentially be able to maybe try to get into the sweepstakes and maybe say hey honest. We had a better year. We have young talent. Come here we can win a championship during big market. Big Star. Big money everything. So we'll have to see what he thinks of that up next but our next segment after our next segment we're talking about. Andre Drummond picked up his options pretending Cleveland Spencer dinwiddie going to play for his native country of Nigeria. And other news and basketball. Right here on the PODCAST. Are you looking to get your college bombecks? Looking to get the latest news on your favorite school dean? They Diaz Mc College football. Podcast is your ticket to all things college football to us as we talk college football from the National Championship the college rivalries the bowl game to the heisman. Trophy which converts is the best. We've got you covered for the Big Ten big twelve the PAC twelve. Acc and everything in between download the Jacinto College football podcast on Itunes Stitcher soundcloud. Google play or anywhere. You find podcasts. Jess type. Gs empty in the search bar. Welcome back to the. Va since he does parque. Seddon down some things in the breakdown king breaking down. Everybody talked about Tyler. I on the next job impact on the nets with let's look equal for where obviously trying on white track you know To put them in the right direction in what I'm saying and just so they can get back to begin the team. They're expected to be next year when the season starts for season and that is a championship team and also we talked about Kevin. Naf obviously as Leon rose is not particularly know what to think or do with a guy like Kevin Knox and we also talked about some of the other young players. The Knicks have on the roster. And you know I guess. Dad's import for Leon rose to create an atmosphere in a culture and build a team. That is sustainable. Can Compete in Incan win. So all of that is very important moving forward for this team. So more news notes around the League. So obviously Andre Drummond traders the Cleveland Cavaliers from the Detroit Pistons. Right he said is worse than Detroit. But he's getting paid a lot of money and I think there is kind of this thing obviously as an agent. You're realistic about your your your clients value. Andre Drummond what he's going to get paid with Cleveland this year and if he picked up his option he's not getting paid that anywhere else. No one else is going to pay a player like from that kind of money so even though the situation may not be ideal or the situation may not be great. Andre Drummond is likely to pick up his option for next year. So obviously that means he'll probably stick for the money in you know he'll stick around for the Cleveland Organization. I don't think he has any long term plans of staying there but I just think this is right now. Money thing before he decides then after this next coming season maybe go ahead and try to look maybe wore for a competitive team. Potentially Andre Drummond is the prototypical old traditional MBA center he is not the new age MBA center who can stretch the floor pick and rolls and hit threes. You he is he is not that guy is a I get you A. Wwe Game rebounder. I can I can do all the other stuff like that. I get you twenty and I can get you eighteen. Nineteen a game with post game. And that's that's that's a lot of what I'm getting right there so I mean moving forward I happen to drumming. We'll see where he he ends up. Carbon out a niche in this league in what he ends up doing so we'll have to see what actually happens when it comes to Andre Drummond moving forward. Another news sponsored woody since he was not selected to play for team. Usa We'll played for his native country of Nigeria. And he will. He has already submitted an application to try to play for their national team. So that's another. Nba Talent that will be going over to their native lands. Remember a lot of guys here. Who have that kind of that? Do Citizenship complained. If like what like obviously Janas could play on the US team but he's going to play for Greece. That's that's always going to be the team he plays for. He's one of the guys that you know always makes them an interesting watch. Because you know Greece you don't really think of them having any talent and then they bring in. Jaanus may not be enough to win it but you know he has the ability to play great ball so I think that's something that you also looking sue. You got to look at and you know you. Just gotTa sit there and see what happens moving forward with with with that group that group of people whose around that entire your situation. So you know. We'll have to. We'll have to see what really happens. You know there You know one thing that's interesting to me is in the NBA. I think we sometimes be to look at you know. These players go to live scrutiny. On a day in day out basis expectations are put upon them. People want them to be great automatically. We want every player to be elite in everything I think. Sometimes that is difficult. That's why I feel somewhat. I feel like you have players who usually don't have the same expectations to be great coming out of college or coming out wherever they're coming in. They're always better than expected. Because there's mutations all they gotta do is just be relevant all they gotta do is just be able to play. They would be able to stay in the league and expectations exceeded where in when you're when you're guy who has a lot of expectations in superstar stations are big. Big Star expectations. Even if you make the league in you're able to stand in for twelve thirteen years and played a good career. Just if you were never that star people choosy disappointment. People are GonNa look at you as a as a. He never reached his potential. And that like I said that creates a lot of pressure on these players like thinking about Zeile Williamson for example. Obviously he is touted as this next big Lebron James Superstar and that's a lot of expectations that basically means he has to be some all time great from this generation from this next decade lease to reach that kind of expectation. You know. What if would've Zion is an all star player who makes five six all star teams but never is going to be considered are never never really top three player in the game or ever because they're a superstar quote unquote. How would we view him in his career? We view him with more disappointment because like oh I thought he could have been even better but it wasn't like his career was bad. You see what I'm saying. Where ever guy who was expected to be illegal three years now and let's say he he. He's always been a main bench contributor on everything's being it's just like well rotations. That's why I think when you notice in draft they always think oh he could be a good rotation player because you always hope anybody could be a good rotation player. Can you give us for the minutes what we asked you to do for us? Can you give it to us? That's why you have different positions in different assignments assigned every player one player. You may say we need you to get us at least five rebounds a game if you give us points that's a bonus we just need to be there for the five six minutes we play you get boards now now think about that and then you have some guys who just like. Give us five two or three three. Three's the game and if they can do that consistently throughout their entire career. That's the expectation with every team to other entire career. They'll be looked at it as accessible. I just think we shouldn't. I understand if a guy has expectations. But it shouldn't be. He has to be this. He's appointment a disappointment. Is after bandit a guy who people thought could be a star and then he's out the league that's disappointing. That's disappointing. You know what I'm saying that to this appointment not a guy who was the number one overall draft pick but stay the lead for twelve years but never was a superstar. You can you can't see. Here's he's a disappointment. If I'm like listen he just you could sit here and say maybe he didn't reach the potential. You thought he would retched. But you can't sit here and say he was disappointed because it's hard to play in this league. Sometimes you players. They've gotten through all levels of of their playing career with just talent the an MBA. You really know your craft and be good at craft to be able to make and so they never really were great at craft necessarily. That's why sometimes you have these players come to lead. They go have a jump shot their whole their whole life. They Arabia do everything without having a jump shot because they were so good at doing everything else and then when it came to the jump shot I was like okay now. I actually got to like be able to do this to be able to survive in this lead to be as good as people think I could be. You know. It's one of those things it's it's it's like you gotTa really put yourself in position to be in its successful place in the successful situation long term. Because if you don't you're not going to be successful it's just about work. That's why you have guys like Andrew Weekend's outreach invitations Andrew Wiggins was the top to pick and draft. People thought he could be superstar with his talent. But we is a guy that has been pretty much been commonly known. Does it put the working? Because he's been able to get through everything. Which is tally even in the League? East either. He's a we've his talent. He is a decent player in this league. Who could be a starter or Berry? Berry a key. Role player could wicker's talent. But you just feel like if we actually took the time out to devote his craft in developed his game he could be that star but I never look even though. Andrew Wiggins may not have rich expectations. I will never look Engi- disappointment as an example and I just wanted to random quick but that's all we have here on the GMC basketball podcast. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you for listening to another great show with me. I'm your host price Louis. Don't forget to listen to all of our other amazing podcast on the GMC podcast network over the falls off or social media twitter facebook instagram and everything else. Thank you have a good day and stay safe out listening to the golden state media concepts basketball podcast. Part of the Golden State media concepts PIE CAST NETWORK. You can find this show and others like it at. Www DOT g s MC PODCASTS DOT COM download? 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Previewing ESPN's "The Last Dance" documentary about Michael Jordan's Bulls

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Previewing ESPN's "The Last Dance" documentary about Michael Jordan's Bulls

"What's up over Flora Globe this Bengal with the Washington Post? I am joined on the other line by Michael. The Pie Pena of espionage. Now Michael I have been waiting this day for a while because we are inching closer to Sunday's premiere of the last dance that's ESPN's ten part documentary series about the nineteen ninety seven nineteen ninety eight Chicago Bulls and Michael Jordan of course and this is something that I have looked forward to. I was counting the days and luckily through the grace of God I was able to get screeners Michael for the first eight episodes and so this week. I dove in deep. I interviewed director Jason Hair. I interviewed an ESPN executive connor. Shell I interviewed. Sd Four noy a long time. business and public relations executive for Michael Jordan about the documentary. How came together? What it's all about. And if you indulge me Michael. I know we do a lot of MJ. On this on this podcast. But if you would indulge me. I think it's appropriate to do a full length preview of this upcoming documentary which I have a sneaking suspicion after seeing the first eight of ten episodes is going to kind of dominate the sports landscape for the next month. What do you think I'm I mean? I'm so excited for this when we were a few days into the NBA season. Being SHUT DOWN. I tweeted released the MJ dock. And I have been like sitting on the edge of my seat waiting and I'm so jealous that you've seen eight episodes already you are. You're going to guide US through this conversation. I'm the anticipation just killing me. So you were the one who actually got moved up Michael It was your tweet and also Lebron James's comments on a podcast. Now here's the deal. They had planned this thing to be released in June and the original plan from. Espn was they. Were going to air it on off dates of the NBA finals. And I think that they were hoping that like Tuesday would be Lebron and the NBA finals. Wednesday would be Mike in the last dance like Thursday would be Lebron the NBA finals. Friday would be and they would just own the entire sports atmosphere for like two weeks straight and just have gigantic ratings. And everybody would be doing the the Michael Versus Lebron comparison. I think that was sort of what was in the back of their mind. But of course your tweet changed the whole game and also I think a few hundred other people were tweeting similar things and they've really had to scramble here. Michael to pull this thing together and episodes nine and ten are not officially done as of right now. They're not gonNA need to be done for another month until they get up to air those but that's the level of accelerated timelines. They've been working on but part of the issue here is just a massive massive project. Espn calls this sort of the biggest original content project. They've ever been a part of the director. Jason Hare has been working on it for basically twenty five or twenty six months now full time they interviewed more than a hundred people for the documentary including Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. I think you might have heard of those guys They really went through all angles. Not only of that. Ninety seven ninety eight season but also of Jordan's career narrative and his ark. Okay and so a couple things to keep in mind first of all. There are two stories going on in this documentary simultaneously. There's the the final run for the championship. Which obviously concludes with Jordan hitting the last shot? you know against the Utah Jazz Brian. Russell kind of the brush off the love tap to his but that sends him flying that iconic moment so they they run through that season in exquisite detail because they have access to NBA entertainment footage from behind the scenes that was captured by a camera crew all year long. So they're going you know back in the bowels of the arena with Jordan. He's flipping quarters with security guards to buy time there in practice huddle is sometimes. They're in rooms at various points with both Jordan. And Scottie Pippen. It's excellent access. So that's one of the stories and of course to tell that story. They're doing a lot of background. Information on guys like Phil Jackson. Scotty Pippin Denis Robin Steve Kerr even Jerry. Krause general manager who kind of everyone hated. That's all taking place in one area now. The other area is the typical biography of Jordan. Right and they go pretty deep. One thing I would say is if you know a lot about Jordan. There's not gonNA be any story lines that come out of nowhere to really surprise you. They stick to the hits but what they do is go a little bit deeper on everything. So you're going to you know really fun. Video of Jordan on draft night. So it's like everybody knows about the Sam Bowie versus Jordan. Pick right but here's video of Jordan from the traffic night. Everybody knows about Jordan's title-winning shot at North Carolina. Well here's him celebrating and in promising that he's GonNa bring you know two or three more titles to Carolina at the parade after they win that thing I mean they have just really really good archival footage to supplement the behind the scenes. Stuff that nobody's ever seen before and I can I can I jump in. Yep so you said that. It's you know they're playing the hits and everything like that. And that's that's awesome. I think the narrative of Jordan is is well told everyone knows basketball. Knows his story and where he's come from. But what I'm more interested in. Maybe you can enlighten our listeners. A little bit is what makes this duck so highly anticipated is that we get a reflective Michael Jordan in these in these extensive. Sit Down Interviews. Which I'm sure you were about to to mention but like the that's the number one thing that I'm personally looking forward to. And all of this him really opening up a supposedly talking about these things correct. Absolutely so what you get from. Jordan is him trying to get the last word on everything and so that was sort of the headline on my story and my preview and people should go. Check it out. But it's called the last dance because this was the six tidal run for the Bulls but really the takeaway from the whole project. Is Michael Jordan saying you know what? I've been involved in controversies of various kinds for my entire career. I've been criticized for various things throughout my career. I had a rivalries with other superstars throughout my career. This is my chance to lay it all on the table. And I think what's really important for people to realize on this point this was not necessarily an ESPN documentary okay. Jordan and his camp had access to this footage from the NBA and the NBA had kind of been saying every single year. Hair you guys interested in doing a documentary. Are you interested in doing something with this right? And his hesitation. His reluctance was that if all that behind the scenes footage came out without the proper context. He would look like a psycho and everyone would say you're bad guy right so in recent years this idea of the long form. Sports documentary has really become more popular especially in the last five years. And so it was actually. Jordan's camp that hired the director Jason Hare and went through the whole process with him of how you're gonNA make these episodes come out How are you going to tell the story What topics are GONNA BE BROUGHT UP? And what Jordan said was look. Everything is on the table. There's nothing off limits if you WANNA ask me about any of this stuff. I'm glad to answer and I'll be honest. And basically. He told him onset. One time it was like you know. Ask any question I will tell you the truth and you know. Sdn Portnoy Kinda put it to me bluntly she's like this is not a puff piece. And you're GONNA get that right off the bat. Within the first fifteen minutes of episode one which airs on Sunday night you're going to see Jordan just ruthlessly mocking Jerry Krause the Bulls. Gm at the time in front of his teammates and in front of the coaches after a bulls practice where he's making fun of Krause's height making fun of crosses wait. No one is laughing besides Michael. He's just going in on him and that's an example of why they needed to have the context and so of course over the the course of this documentary. They go back and they asked Michael. What was the source of tension and he lays out in extreme detail by the problems that he had with Kraus's You Know He. He thought that cross wanted to take too much credit that he didn't put the players. I thought he was trying to rebuild the team too early while they were still trying to make title runs and everything else so they really achieved their main goal of of giving Jordan the platform to to give his side of the story but also to put his actions and frankly at times kind of tyrannical behavior in context. I'll give you another quick example of that. Everyone knows about the Steve. Kerr fistfight practice right legendary. Fistfight where it's like. Why is Michael? Picking on the littlest guy in practice punching him? He's teammate. This is this is terrible. Leadership is just bad human being behavior right like. Why didn't someone call the COPS right? That's sort of the narrative around that and Kerr the documentary Pre- presents it in a fascinating way because it gets curse perspective. He gets Michael's perspective talks about kind of the bubbling controversy around that as that was happening. And it also just talk about the supercharged atmosphere around that team. In terms of the pressure the scrutiny. The expectations Jordan's philosophy of leadership and wanting to test every single one of his teammates year after year after year. And so you really do get that incident in better context and at the same time you get Jordan confronted by a camera and there's nowhere for him to hide and he has to be like. Yeah that was really not great. I should not have beat up the littlest guy on the team and so again. It's it's a scene that will stick with you And you will. Also I think while you're watching it realized that he just couldn't help himself right. He was just too competitive for his own. Good and if it came to a situation where you know. He was challenged in practice or he wasn't happy or whatever else well. He might go ahead and swing on a teammate. Who was much smaller than he might feel bad about it years later But in the moment like there was the only option for them. And I think that's one of the biggest takeaways from this piece is just the insane drive and competitive competitiveness and will to win that we always associate with. Jordan is sort of the main theme or through line Throughout this entire documentary. Yeah I think one of the speaking of themes I think one of the things that really keeps Jordan in our minds as this mythical figure is his need for confrontation. You know the the legendary ways that he would create drama and create these slights in his head to to give him a competitive advantage over the competition. And so when you lay everything out in a ten episode documentary I mean. I'm sure it's just packed with those. Like you. Mentioned the Steve. Kerr the Steve Kerr Punch. The I mean there's countless examples. There's like Charles Barkley and the ninety three finals there's his his battles with With Reggie Miller his battles at Madison Square Garden With The New York Knicks against Pat Riley. And all those teams like there's just there's a Thomas and the Detroit Pistons which is like the first real boss that he had to defeat on his way to becoming the greatest player who ever lived. I have a quick question for I have a few questions. But I'M GONNA I'M GONNA lead with one How many episodes are dedicated to the first game of that ninety? Seven Ninety eight season when the Bulls blew a thirty to twelve first quarter lead to the Boston Celtics. Ooh Look at you getting a little spicy. Well they do they do. Show the ring night Celebration so they do show that I think they gloss over that result though. That's interesting Here's one thing I want to go back to your mentioning Isaiah and everything else. It's very clear all these years later from Michael that the fire still burns. He has not forgiven. Isaiah for not his hand. He's still so mad that the Pistons did not shake their hand in the night after the nineteen ninety-one Eastern Conference finals and he goes in on Isaiah and he also explains that celebrating night. Eastern Conference Finals Win for the team was better almost than winning. The finals I mean they felt like that was their championship. And there's footage of them on the airplane. You know cracking drinks in high fiving as if they've won the title before they've even played the finals against the Lakers. Which is just amazing and just shows you how hard he was trying to get over that. Hump that you were describing but he was also just so personally flabbergasted by comparison Clyde Drexler. Do you remember that that time period where people are trying to elevate Clyde and say? Oh He's on. Michael's level in ninety two final as everybody wanted to do the head to head showdown thing and Jordan just describes being just mortified by those comparisons and just like you just bothered him deeply that anyone would think that drexler was on his level so he like walks viewer through the six three pointers against the blazers and he's basically saying like I was punishing Drexler for even being in comparisons to me. You know of course clydes not saying that you know other people saying that about him but he was so offended by it. It was like all six of those three pointers. Were basically to de that argument forever. Another scene and this is a great technique that I know people who watch US ARE GONNA Love Michael. They actually use technology to kind of facilitate collaborative interviews. So they'll they'll show Michael on occasion an IPAD with other people talking about him or other people telling stories so they can film his real time reaction so in a lighter moment they have his mother reading a letter that Mike sent When he was at college asking for money and asking for her to send some stamps and he gets very embarrassed. And kinda shy because you know. He was a poor college kid who had to ask his MOM FOR STAMPS. And you get his his genuine reaction of that but they use it to even more devastating effect with Gary Payton because they get Gary Payton doing one of his classic things where he's saying you know could guard Michael Jordan more in the ninety six finals. The Sonics wouldn't have lost the same way. We did. George Karl kind of ruin things from a strategic standpoint and they showed Jordan footage of Gary Payton basically trash-talking or trying to rewrite the history of the ninety six finals and Jordan cannot control his laughter he just starts cracking up just completely genuinely as he's watching it and at the end he just. He just completely dismisses Gary Pain is like the glove. I was never worried about the glove. Like it's just you get the same trash talking stuff that you were describing or the same robbery stuff. It's still there within the competitive edge is still there and the documentary does just a fantastic job of of showing who he is now again letting him and get the last word on some of these things That may be have been lingering It just real quick to. It's not just about the encore. They'd really try to dive into some to trickier territory There's a lot of allegations. His gambling did that have Impact on his father's death They dive into that. They get Jordan story on that A lot of people were upset with Jordan's a political stances publicly. You know the Republicans buy sneakers to stuff Jordan addresses that head on You know he answers those questions and then another thing that I really was not expecting was Jordan talking about his childhood in North Carolina and the sensation of the racism that he fell and just kind of experienced as a young child and it wasn't necessarily like one incident where he was called a name or something like that but it was just the environment that that he was surrounded by that actually he describes as being a motivating factor for him to Kinda. Get out or get away or you know. Try to play professional sports or just do something with his life so that he could you know have a better life for himself for his family that I had never really heard him discuss quite in that same way And so again. There's some really meaty stuff here that I think is going to have a a wider audience than just basketball nerds Because you have a guy who has Oprah Winfrey describes in one scene as the most famous person in the world and has a a newspaper headline in France declares that he's bigger than the pope. You have that guy weighing in on a lot of you know very personal and intimate details and just weighs. He's never done before. All this is so fascinating. I mean it's almost like ten hours or ten episodes is not enough like a man. I cannot wait to watch I feel like you know obviously. Mj Is the the the central figure in the documentary series and everyone is interested in his reaction to Slights from the past and scenarios from the past and his thoughts on things but I was just wondering from what you've seen who would you say is I guess like the the the sidekick in the documentary like who is number two your? Yeah like I mean there's so many legends icons in this thing you've got I would imagine I mean I've seen clips of Dennis Rodman and participate. Scottie Pippen Phil Jackson. I think I mean you mentioned Steve. Kerr Ron Harper Toni. Kukoc I mean there's just so many guys that are awesome and and not only great players but really interesting figures and Eloquent speakers and they have a lot of really interesting things to say so who would. Who would you say is kind of like the supporting act? Best supporting actor in this thing. Well so first of all the one condition that Michael had for the director. The director told me was that it needed to be a story about the whole team. Not just a biography right and they they did manage to to fulfill that mandate from Jordan by using all those different guys that you mentioned as various entry point. So it's almost like there's a pippen episode and Phil Jackson Episode and a Steve Kerr episode. Dennis Rodman episode and they really dig into those guys more deeply. How did they get to the Bulls? What were their upbringing is like you know. How did they make their name? I would say of all of them. It's not a great surprise. That Scottie Pippen is probably the number two guy here. There are some amazing footage from him as a high school and college player from small town. Arkansas and they actually go back to Arkansas and you know kind of show where he grew up and describe his family situation. That's very poignant. And it'll give you a lot of respect for Scottie Pippen. It's just like how did this guy possibly make it And his footage when he's really discovering how to play the game and he's out. I think Central Arkansas. And just like you know his limbs are seemingly growing as he's running down the court and he's dunking and finally kind of getting into his body and understanding. His athleticism is just amazing but also there was real drama going on with him and his career during that ninety seven ninety eight season. He was drastically underpaid at that time. he wanted a new contract. It really didn't come. Krause was worried that pippen was gonNA leave. You know be because of the money situation down the road and so he was actually considering potentially trading Scotty so scotty kind of gets back at the boss so to speak by delaying a foot surgery that costs him multiple months at the start of the ninety seven ninety eight season. So he's not yeah. He didn't make his debut until January. I looked at that right before we recorded. That's crazy correct. And so he's not there for the preseason When they go to Paris he's not playing that game He is not in the in the opening night. Game that you're describing the ring night getting his ring. But he's in a sue and Jordan's kind of singlehandedly keeping them afloat during that season after. He's you know kind of already been exhausted and You know getting up there in age as well so it was a difficult situation for Jordan to be put in Jordan discusses that about how he feels a little bit let down by Scottish decision on the surgery and then to to make matters even more complicated. Wow He's out due to injury Scotty. Requests a trade because he's so mad at the front office and so they have to kind of bring Phil Jackson and Jordan. Have to kind of bring Scotty back in the fold. Make him feel like you know still loved member of the family and everything else. I mean. It's just crazy to think about like we've seen some of these Cleveland Cavaliers teams more recently. Have a lot of drama but we never had Kyrie irving in the middle of a season. You know go public with a trade request because he hates You Know David Griffin back in two thousand sixteen I mean they had some really tricky situations but at least they managed to keep it mostly in house and things would kind of trickle out here and there so to imagine the pippen experience occurring in the modern NBA landscape is just kinda crazy to think about and we also have to keep in mind. I mean these guys were the biggest team in pro sports. Basically at that point so everything was magnified so I would say he. He gets that number two role in part because he was pretty open his interviews to and in part just because they had a lot of behind the scenes footage of him but They don't go short on Rodman. I mean they've got Rodman partying in Vegas with Carmen Electra during the season You know they've got Phil Jackson amusing about his motivational tactics. Trying to keep the team together and on the same page I mean they really bring in all the supporting characters and the last point on that. They don't overlook the role players. Either Michael I don't know if you remember. Scott Burrell barely remembered him but for whatever reason during that ninety seven ninety eight season he was. Jordan's pet project Jordan just thought the guy was too nice and too friendly not enough so he is shown throughout the series. Just Kinda Berating Scotty. Burrell in the very first in the first episode They win this quote Unquote Championship in Paris as preseason exhibition because Jordan torches all these European players who have no hope of stopping him. And Scottie Pippen. And Ron Harper are hugging on the bench. Because they're GonNa win this championship and Scotty Burrell asked Jordan for a hug and Jordan. Shoes him a death glare basically just like never ever say anything to me ever again. This is a preseason game. It doesn't matter like and Burrell is like well. Maybe I'll just ask your kids for a hug. Then because you won't give me one. He was like genuinely kind of hurt. He's just like such a personality contrast but all season long there's footage from the from Jordan's ragging on Parrella practice making fun of him on the team plane and I think that it winds up being a vehicle for the director to show how demanding Jordan was on all of his teammates kind of throughout his career and Burrell and in his relationship winds up just kind of serving that purpose of like look. You know playing on Jordan's team had its benefits. 'cause you would win titles but there was also a significant personal cost all these guys were playing with them and one other just really memorable scene real quick was will perdue saying that after they won the ninety one final so the first title The day these guys had ever won and they had been together for years. Will Perdue says Intel's the camera in his interview. I thought Jordan didn't have feelings the only we'd only ever seen him frustrated and mad and trying to win and not being able to get over the hump so he's like crying in the locker with the trophy will produce as the whole team was just stunned because they thought he wasn't a human being like that he didn't have any emotions it's like when he says that on camera it will make your skin. I mean you know. We'll make goosebumps your everything I mean. Your hair will stand up on end. Because it's clear that these guys were basically living in fear of him for like five or six years and they finally got it done together and it was like. Oh now we actually get to see he is a real person and I mean it's things like that that just add to the legend and I think that's sort of part of what this documentaries about to. I mean there's definitely some myth making going on. Yeah this question. I don't think anyone alive can answer it although some have attempted but if you were to take this these Chicago. Both teams both both repeats but more I think the second one for different reasons is is more relevant to the question but if you were to take those teams and put them in the social media era do you think they would have survived. Because I just I don't see it. I mean Steve Kerr's talked about it and talked about the when he was with the warriors oils with the Roy Warriors but during the magical season when fans were showing up beforehand to watch steph curry warm up and it was basically a traveling rock show. How just eventually overwhelming and stressful that became and and how it compared he compared it to his life as a player with the Bulls. But like it's just a completely different world so do you think like specifically pertaining to. I mean there's Rodman of course but then there's also who would just like in the social media era instagram live. And all that like. I don't think Rodman would survive. But Scottie Pippen as you mentioned like him him requesting a trade and there's all these different moments throughout his time with the Bulls that I see it easily could have disintegrated or imploded. Like at a moment's notice with a tweet or something like that. Do you think they would have hung on and been able to win? Three straight is a great question. I think first of all. They don't go six zero in the finals. I if they had to face level of scrutiny. I mean that's number one. I think that just somewhere along the way something would have gone wrong. And I think that's a major underlying theme from this documentary is that don't assume all these things were bound to happen right like just that they were guaranteed or like inevitably going to win all these titles. I think that would be you know completely a mistake. I mean you could see how tenuous it was at various points of their dynasty where things really could have fallen apart so I think that's number one number two. This is a point that director made to me. Michael wouldn't have been on social media if he was playing today. He says that you know it was very clear to him. That Michael was consumed by competition so much so that when the director would go to his to interview him he would have little games or competitions that he would build into his questions just to make sure to keep Jordan gauge. Because he knew that's how he would get the best material out of them so that I think that says it all right. It's like I mean maybe he would have had a you know a basic twitter page. Kobe twitter page when he first got it. Where you know. It's not really being used that much but it's kind of air so people can follow him but I don't think that he personally would have been that kind of consumed by but yeah I mean. Rodman's antics are insane. I mean Phil Jackson let Rodman go on a forty eight hour bender during the middle of the season with permission to Vegas and he didn't show backup on time. The team basically had to go get him. Can you imagine that during the? That's not that's not gonna fly now and there's footage of Rodman and they show this there's footage of Rodman dancing without his pants on at a Las Vegas. I don't know if it's a casino or a club or whatever. Onstage with Carmen Electra. Like that footage would have been everywhere. Sportscenter every other You know bleacher report. Highlights I mean they all would have had that stuff that had happened today right so they were definitely of a different era. There's no way around that but at the same time you also get the sense that like Jordan is pulling these guys through almost anything that was coming their way and it'd be through both his will but also his just skill level right and I think that you really you get that at various points like for example When they lost the Orlando Magic and we talked about that series. How it kind of gets forgotten history. Jordan comes back from baseball and nick. Anderson makes an off handed comment. That number. Forty five is not number. Twenty three Because he was able to kind of steal the ball from him late in that series when they win Jordan was so personally offended by that comment that he basically used it as fuel the entire offseason and then heading into the next season. And what are you know they win? Seventy two games the following year right. So it's like that one. Little thing was just like the motivation that he needed to get himself back into peak basketball condition after being away playing baseball and to get himself back into like Pete Kill Mode and he had been searching for something to kind of drive him That's why empowered that he retired after the three titles because it was kind of like nothing left to prove. And here's this guy trying to say oh you know. Jordan is not the same guy anymore and his responses to that point the the best season in NBA. History right so. I think that we don't need to go too far. Overdoing this idea. That like the Bulls wouldn't have been able to survive. Because I think that Michael was such an effective leader and player that he would have been able to handle an awful lot of stuff that was thrown their way. Yeah I mean he's the he's a perfectionist perfectionist but I do think that if if my Michael Jordan did play now and did have access to twitter I. I like to imagine that he's up. Tweeting the competition. You know like Lebron is posting. Tick Tock dance videos with him and his family. And you get like M J alluding to it in a in a in a prickly tweet like emoji filled I could. I could see Michael doing that to try to use social media to get that competitive advantage and get inside the head of his opponents. Hey guys what's up? This is Ben Golfer with sports. Illustrated's open floor podcast sports and scandals. What more could you ask for every week on? Hall of Shame. A new podcast from Crooked Media Fox sports host and Comic Rachel Veneta and Comedy Writer. Reginald truck bomb take each other through some of the biggest scandals in sports history to discover the humanity behind the headlines from the thrill of dock. Ellis has no hitter to the agony of Rosie Ruiz's marathon lies they get to the bottom of what happened why these stories matter and how they're still relevant today. You'll laugh you'll cry. 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But how deep do they go on his his His exploration into baseball they have a pretty thorough retailing again with some crazy footage and some details that I didn't even remember so just so you know Michael. I actually went to Birmingham as part of a little road trip vacation a few years ago and I tracked down the Birmingham Barons Marketing. People and I was like look you know ostensibly like I'm a reporter but really I'm just Jordan nerd like an so I was like what can you do for me? And they were. It was the off season. They were so kind down there Michael. They opened up the team store for me. They gave me a tour of their new stadium and actually was in the stadium that Jordan had played in and they had multiple like pretty big time. Major League baseball players play for the barons over the years but they still had a poster of Jordan. That was like ten times bigger than every other player poster. They had it. The new arena the new ballpark just to like you know to pay honor to them which I loved and I guess they were having like the twenty fifth anniversary season coming up so they were GonNa do certain Retro Jerseys to honor him. I mean it was just like an MJ fan's dream. But what I didn't realize they put him in double A. Because the lower levels of the minor leagues did it have the capacity to handle the crowds and the media that was going to attend because there was like national media members for a while following him around playing minor league baseball right so I guess like theoretically our jobs give Lebron went to go play like Minor League football right now like some of us in the NBA media would be conscripted to go. Follow that you know. Kinda no matter where it would be And that really happened for a lot of people because everybody was so stunned by it so they do a great job of setting up his retirement. A lot of footage that I hadn't seen around that and just the chaotic environment and how it first came out. They do a nice job of explaining his motivations. And I don't WanNA spoil too much there. But it had to do in part with his father of course And then they show him And how he's greeted down in Birmingham which is crazy and then they also point out that he started the season on like thirteen game hitting streak after not playing baseball for basically fifteen years of his life which is just insane. Like how would anyone be able to do that? I don't know if you've ever tried to hit a curve ball but I certainly I mean. My career was over as soon as the pitchers could throw curves. And I guess that Michael's undoing and they they scouted him realize that just don't throw them fastballs because he'll he'll hit those opposite field singles in Thrown some curves and he'll just strike out swinging and that sort of What wound up happening. But they describe You know what life was like on the road for him as a baseball player. They also show the backlash The famous sports illustrated cover that upset. Michael with the bag. It Michael Headline They show that as well so they they get into a quite a bit and of course they focused. I think A little bit more on the excitement around his return from baseball as well. Of course because you know people were kind of counting down anxiously and he was teasing people that he might come back and he got back just in time for that playoff run. I think that that whole like I'm not. I'm personally not super interested in his time in baseball. And that's sabbatical but I think it's underrated. Just how insane it really was and it. There's really no comparison for anything in the modern modern times. I can't think of anything like you said. Lebron deciding to suddenly play football would be not even as as as wild. I think this if it were to happen in announced tomorrow it would be really wild but for Michael to do this like in his prime it. It just boggles it. It still boggles the mind or really. Does I mean Stir David? Stern shows up at the press conference for Jordan's retirement. And you just think he's they're like Kinda Hoping Michael. Change his mind on on the spot. It's just like. Hey maybe if I sit here. I can coax him into not doing this. You know it's crazy. And also just because his father was murdered right in the middle of his prime to and his father would attend games constantly with Jordan like he was a regular presence behind Behind the scenes at Bulls Games and I mean that whole adds a whole nother layer to it of just this idea of like I mean this guy is just personal. Story was crazy. There's so many layers to it and I think a lot of those memories in and sort of a nostalgia factor for people who grew up You know remembering kind of touch points of Michael's career But you know again getting the opportunity to go a little bit deeper on every single one of these subjects and getting to hear from him on all these subjects. It's really rewarding viewership experience. So everyone I highly recommend. Check it out you know. If it came up short I would tell you what came up short but it didn't. They did this the right way. All Right Michael. I think that would be enough of flagellating Michael Jordan here let's Let's consider shifting gears no you guys espy nation. Were working on a big project. Basically all week right. It's called titles. Correct correct yes. And you're running through the greatest or most memorable or most forlorn teams never to win an NBA championship. So obviously this ties in pretty carefully with pretty closely with what we're just describing because Jordan left an awful long list of guys who never won titles in his wake whether it's Barclay Stockton Malone Ewing and so forth So you know during this layout the project for me and what was your biggest takeaway from participating in it? Yeah so I mean it's basically it was it's My colleague Mike Prayed as baby Espionage writer Praia and he did probably like ninety nine percent of the work on it. I mean he wrote all the blurbs he came up with the concept and I I think it's just it's so fascinating because I mean it explains itself You know which are the? It's bits of sixty four team bracket that is attempting to decide which is the best team in NBA history. That did not win the championship and they're separated in different categories. The categories are Flameouts overachievers not good enough and what might have been and there's been a lot of Interaction with this project because I think every fan base I mean not every fan gets to root for the Lakers or Michael Jordan's bulls or the San Antonio Spurs or at the Boston Celtics So there's a lot of just heartbreak out there and so this is just an opportunity for fans of the other I guess twenty plus teams and organizations that have either Never WanNa Championship or haven't won in forever to appreciate their Their most memorable teams. And so you know Mike did a really wonderful job of kind of combing through history and finding the best team from every era. And it's a little subjective and trying to define what would win an era begins and winning era ends but. I think he did a really good job with it. And it's just an awesome a massive undertaking and. I think anyone who likes NBA basketball will fall in love with immediately. Well yeah it's the kind of project. The memories come flooding back pretty quickly. I know for Blazers fans. The Ninety two team that lost in the finals to Jordan is definitely would make this kind of list but also the ninety one team where they wind up going out in the Western Conference finals to the Lakers is always sort of like the one that got away. I mean that team was so talented so good during the regular season operating on all cylinders and just couldn't quite get over the hump. I'm sure you know the Celtics injury issues that that you you've described during the Cagey era. Derailing some really really impressive seasons I imagine. They probably find their way on the list. Was there one team that Kinda stuck out to you more than any other Michael when you were going through this process or was it a team that you wrote about That really hit you in the gut like man like these guys. What could have been for these guys? You know we'll go real quick. One of the rules in the criteria of the list was that you could not in the same era win a championship and be considered so that for example the two thousand nine Boston Celtics would not be a eligible for this exercise and a team like the two thousand sixteen Golden State Warriors which. I think if we're being honest like that that would that team would just run through this bracket they're not eligible because they they won a title in the years before the year before and the year after So I mean for me like it sparked that idea of what you're talking about and I when I was pitching teams to Mike He let me know that. The two thousand nine Celtics would not be allowed and so I wrote my own column. That was basically you know the the saddest title defenses of the past twenty years earlier this week on espionage and I included two thousand nine Boston Celtics. I love it so Mike does a week long project with very explicit rules and because the two thousand nine Celtics by those rules you have to go and write your own calm. Defending their honor. I understand his criteria for sure. But I think there's something to what you did because I think sometimes this idea that you're denied a dynasty right or your denied the potential for back to back like that can carry even more weight. I mean that two thousand sixteen title for the Cavs over the warriors legitimately spoiled the warriors entire story like they're going to be remembered very very well but I don't think that they're remembered over. The Showtime Lakers right now. I don't think they're remembered over the Bulls right now if you have a seventy three win title season when you're smoking. Everybody in taking down Lebron during his prime I think that those conversations would really really start to heat up you know and I even remember. I interviewed magic. Johnson may be like I don't know eighteen months ago and he was popping shots at the warriors for not being on showtime's level at the time it was a pretty like reckless thing to say because Katie had gone injured yet and he hadn't left yet so it seemed like this could go on for the next four or five six years and in hindsight like I think magic was right like you know. Golden State came up a little bit short. So I'm glad you did the title defences post. Who Else did you have on that list by the way The two thousand San Antonio Spurs which I think is a team that is just completely lost to history. It was right after the lockout champion. Spurs team Dunkin's I think second season in the NBA. And he's already a total monster with David Robinson in two thousand he tears. His meniscus a really late in the season and Gregg Popovich makes the decision to sit him for the playoffs even though he was technically able to run up and down the court and he wanted to play. And you know just going back. And looking at some of the quotes from that time and looking at Dunkin's minute load in his usage. And all that like he was averaging over forty minutes a night in ten games before he suffered that knee injury late in a meaningless regular season and super fascinating to me. And if you play Duncan in that two thousand post-season I mean there's just so many what ifs like do the Spurs repeat but also whatever happens to like do the to the Shaquille. O'neal Kobe Bryant Lakers get off the ground. That was the first year that they won their first of three. So I just that was a really really fascinating scenario to kind of go back and study and I don't really WANNA spoil the list because I want everyone to go look at it but I I will right now because I want the opportunity to trash this team. The two thousand real quick before you do that took the decision to rest Dunkin Dunkin and I think those guys wound up saying that was one of the best long-term decisions made. They felt like it extended his career and there are also their championship window and was still paying dividends by the time they got the two thousand fourteen which is so many years later. you know the concern. Obviously the worst case scenario is that you rush them back and it turns into a brandon. Roy Thing and that would have been an utter shame so I think Popovich was way ahead of his time with that coaching decision. Can I ask you? Did you also consider the two thousand and four Spurs at all? Yeah almost every spurs team. That didn't go back to back. Just because that crazy shot that Fisher heads you know like I just feel like dad is one of those heartbreak. Beaumont's where if he goes ahead that shot the spurs probably win another one and then maybe they have to you know a repeat or three peat on their resume and I think that kind of holds them back in this dynasty conversation. Too right because people will they never want to in a row not going back to back. It does hamper them a little bit. Although they had like twenty years plus twenty plus years of excellence. Yeah that Dunkin shot where he hits the shot right before Fisher with point. Four left is incredible. People should go back and watch that shot. It's like off. He's a big man. It's absurd I ultimately chose the two thousand spurs mostly because they were like just for selfish reasons they were more interesting to write about knowing your your case was excellent i. I'm glad that you highlighted them. I think that the two thousand four might get more attention. But the the regret factor that you're describing makes a lot of sense okay. Spoil the rest of your list for us. Make US happy. Okay so I'll start with the number one team. it's the two thousand seven. Miami Heat and this was Dwayne Wade Year. Four of his career Shaquille O'Neal is basically on the way out. He's he's he's in severe decline. At this point is injured pat. Riley actually took a leave of absence to have. I think knee surgery or hip surgery in the middle of this season and this is right after the finals in two thousand five. Two thousand six. Where Dwayne Wade for anyone who saw a Dallas Mavericks fans are still not over? What happened you know? He just gets to the free throw line every single time. He drives to the basket. And it's going back and we're watching now. It's just like kind of a travesty. Like I don't want to take away the title from them but that was just. It's kind of absurd. I don't think the better team won that year. One could argue so for them to then go into two thousand seven and they had some injuries and Wade missed. I think thirty plus game shack missed half over half the season but they lose the season opener by like forty four points and they only score sixty six points in the game so like from the jump they were just not prepared to defend their title and then they they inevitably get swept in the first round by Kirk. Hinrich Chris do on Chicago Bulls. So it's like one of the grossest title defenses in NBA history So I had to show them out. Did you put them on the list? Because you were mad about the dunk contest and Dwayne Wade. Is that what happened here? And this is feels personal to me. Went Down Yeah no. It's it's Yeah me and Dwayne Wade have a very long history So that team I. They deserve to be crucified at think. It's just it's not. It was almost like insulting. How they approach that following season and they didn't even make any real Like changes to their roster. I mean they were a little bit older and they had Some aging guys aging veterans on the championship team. But they brought everybody back and it was kind of a disgrace so I mean the I won't go through the entire last year because I wanted to talk more about the teams that are actually eligible for my exercise but the two thousand twelve Dallas Mavericks are such a what if team and for those who do not know. I'm sure everybody does. But you know they had they win the title in two thousand eleven. They have six free agents including Tyson Chandler Mark Cuban famously decides not to resign tastes Chandler because The lockout and a lot of financial uncertainty going forward. He wanted to be as as flexible on the books as possible and he thought that there would be a micro go ahead. He just over think that one was that a classic case of Guy Trying to outsmart himself. I mean yeah for sure I mean it's it's like he wanted The opportunity to sign a free agent and they never did so I I see where his head was at but like Tyson Chandler was not thirty five years old at the time. I mean he won defensive player of the year that very next season with the New York Knicks so he was still very good. It was a very critical player Particularly in that era where verticality was was everything If I mean at NBA basketball has changed so much since two thousand twelve back then if you had a big who could jump straight up in the air and protect the basket. It was a huge advantage and he was critical. So it's just kind of a bummer for them to to not have him when they were trying to defend their championship. Iq Wasn't even. He wasn't even thirty yet. I think that a lot of times. Nba Players Get mad at US analysts. Where guys like you know about to turn thirty or be over thirty like we start to talk about them differently or write them off start predicting decline or whatever else I mean. He was kind of at the peak of his powers. Right I think the the following year maybe two years later he made the All star team for the first time in his career as a member of the Knicks. There's still definitely some good basketball left in him. I think it was one of those things where you know the front office probably thinking well we WANNA pay for future production not past production. We don't WanNA overpay Jewish because he helped us win title. That's where I think. They got into the overthinking thing. Where it's like. No you really need a you know. A Lynch Pin Center to protect Dirk here and the whole thing is going to be a lot easier. And if you don't have that guy you're going to feel it immediately. I remember that being one of those decisions that was just questioned widely by the Internet at the time and it just got proven true over and over and over right. Yeah I mean even like you go back to Like the closest they came. I guess you could say to getting a star in free agency. They got meetings with a bunch of really notable players. But the the whole De'andre Jordan fiasco was just like that was kind of the Cherry on top. Insult to injury A few years later but then when we can we can we go through now and just kind of talk about some teams. This is such A. It's such a wide ranging conversation and Wolfer sure I have. I have one for here because there's a flameout list that you guys put together. I guess mine together and number two on the flameout list was the two thousand nineteen Milwaukee Bucks and he saying basically number two biggest flameout all time. Of course people remember. They were flying through the playoffs up. Two Zero in the Eastern Conference Finals against the Toronto Raptors before dropping four straight including an overtime game. Is this recency bias. Michael or am I not properly understanding? What a meltdown. That was walking because number two. All Time seems really really high. But of course the stakes are there. Because if you honest doesn't get over the Hump. Potentially they use the Louisiana's in the future. They might not have a chance to kind of prove things here. I if the season doesn't get back on track I mean am I underestimating. How badly the bucks choke last year? I think a lot of people underestimate how badly the bucks choke last year. I mean they were a heavy head. No one was picking the raptors to win that series and they go up they go up to In game three they have an opportunity. Chris Middleton misses a three with like a pretty good look at a three and transition with like ten seconds left or maybe a little bit under that may be a little bit over that Bricks it and then they go and over time and kind of the rest is history. The Raptors win that game and then win four straight. So I think that that's That's kind of A. That's a colossal collapsed. In my opinion I mean you have the lead. You're the favorite one sixty games that season. You have this high point differential you have the MVP on your team like come on man like I think it is. It is super recent. So it's in everybody's head it's fresh in everybody's mind but I think even like ten years from now especially if you honest does not ever win a championship in Milwaukee people will go back to that series and they will frown pretty dramatically at it. No you're making a lot of really really good points. I can tell because I'm almost kind. Did you have anybody else from that list? That jumps out to you. I mean just to run through a couple of teams quick ninety one blazers who I mentioned the two thousand seven Mavericks who obviously lost to the we believe. Warriors Ninety Three Nicks. Who got punked yet again by Michael Jordan? The two thousand Portland Trailblazers which I think I mean. I think a lot of blazers fans would go to that team just because of the way that fourth quarter meltdown. They might say these guys should maybe be number one overall. When you really look at it I mean given the gigantic comeback the painful lob I mean I know blazers fans to this day who can't watch that highlight. Koby lobbing to shack. They just can't do. It hurts too much. I think these guys might need to be number one or pretty close. Oh Yeah I share. That team was awesome. Scottie Pippen Rasheed Wallace. I just I'm not even looking at the roster right now. I'm just going off the top of my head kind of thinking about that series and that team that era of Blazers basketball which is really unfortunate. I think you know. There's a couple of just franchises that really stand out and they had a couple really good teams. But you're also able to kind of pinpoint one season. That was just particularly heartbreaking and they never got over the Hump and for me it. I do not think this is recent see bias. I think this will go down as the most one of the most disappointing Eras for any team ever. And that's of course the Oklahoma City Thunder which I think we need to talk about for two seconds at least in two thousand sixteen in particular. I think that was the year where they were. The closest despite not getting to the finals That season that team was just incredible and when they unlocked their length and when they started switching and when the Billy Donovan realized that he could go small and just have this incredible advantage against a heavy favourite in in Golden State. I just man like I. It still hurts to thinking back to that series and thinking back to what happened and thinking back to Kevin Durant's decision to leave. We were robbed of some really great high acting basketball if he stayed and stuck around. Have you seen those memes going around? Michael That's like me on day. One of quarantine thirty of quarantine right and like the pictures are like obviously different like the first pictures. Just nice and cute and sexy bent through a hurricane or whatever. I actually had a very similar meam that I inadvertently created during that series. Because you remember how much trash Russell Westbrook was talking. When they were up three one he came on the post game. Podium with huge smile you know feeling themselves thinking that they had that series all locked up. Nobody could believe how badly they smacked golden state back to back at home in the middle of wins to right. He had this huge smile. And then after game seventy comes on he can barely look at the cameras so frustrated and so angry and so I tweeted out a side by side image of Russell Westbrook after Game Russell Westbrook after game seven and it went like insanely viral. Assure people can go out there and find that tweet. I will always remember that from that series. That's a really really memorable series in such a pain painful Collapse that you're describing. I think it gets maybe overlooked or under sold by history for two reasons. First of all gold states three one collapse in the finals just immediately overshadowed at right. So obviously there's already a higher stakes thing to compare it to but second it's to call it a collapse. When Klay Thompson is hitting seventy five three pointers in one game? It's just like this guy is breaking basketball. And he's just a video game character now and there's nothing you can do about it. Are you really collapsing? Or is it just like not in your hands anymore and that series was kind of like the peak of the warriors feeling completely unfair completely like unbeatable. I guess there was some other moments in two thousand seventeen where they just. You know roasted everybody with Durant but I just remember at certain times. It was like these guys are invincible. They've put on you know they. They've hit the star and Mario brothers and other bodies like orange and red. And there's nothing that can kill it yet but a fascinating collapsed in so many different ways you know for that organization and they really haven't recovered You know sense I mean. They haven't won a playoff series sense. And we'll see how long could take them to get back to that level really sad really sad for the thunder even though they have Seven thousand draft picks over the next two years so we'll see how that turns out keeping it really recent and I think this is also an all time team and we'll see what happens and maybe we'll never know what could have been but I really appreciate the two thousand eighteen rockets being on this list and I just love that team I love. I love like the ethos of it. How Daryl Morey during a time when everyone in the NBA was afraid of the Golden State Warriors? Afraid of pushing all the chips in and going for it that they they did just that and they built basically as good a team as possible to dethrone golden state and they came so so close. And I'm sure we watching that fourth quarter where they miss I guess. They missed twenty-seven threes in the entire game but particularly the second half I mean. They had double digit lead in. Game seven game. Six of that series It's it's just. Kinda like heartbreaking and it completely alters so many different narratives and so many different careers in so many different perceptions of the people involved well and Michael. Let's not even forget. It alters your whole life too because you've been on these Houston Rockets for years and years and that was their closest moment. Can I ask you take us through where you were watching that fourth quarter that you're describing or the the twenty plus missed three pointers in a row? What was going on through your mind. Were you talking to anyone else? Were you upset where you kind of like Discombobulated I mean wh- just paint the picture for us as I mean. I'm pretty sure it was the same day was within the same twenty hours. I think it was the same day as the the Celtics cavs game seven. If I'm not mistaken and so that or I will I will say Mike included eighteen celtics on his list of a sixty four teams and I had no part in that. I did not suggest he do that. So I just WanNa be clear For a little bit of a reach but the Celtics did they tell us. It's also about your rockets reaction don't WanNa get sidetracked into Celtic. Now it was. It was just tough. I mean both those teams would just bric a bunch of threes and a Celtics rockets finals would have been awesome Just you know you build this team you Obviously they did not have Chris Paul towards the end of that series which was very deflating and granted. We should mention which is overlooked. That the The Golden State Warriors did not have Andre with dollar either which nobody mentioned so i WanNa give credit where credit is due But the rockets I mean they were just built so perfectly and for them to kind of be done in by their own. Revolutionary Strategy is. It's ironic and it's it's it's heartbreaking. It's very Greek tragic right. I mean it's like straight out of the the the ancient texts and the way that one went down I was at the game trying to process it in real time and at some point I went from disbelief to giddiness. I don't know if you ever get this Michael. But like when you're there in person witnessing history you just want the history to be bigger and crazier right so what they got to around like eighteen straight missed three pointers. I was like Oh man. What if they get to fifty one? How can this go right? So I'm just like sitting there. Of course I kind of tabulating it in a spreadsheet as we're going along and we're all looking at each other kind of like double checking the math double checking the game box scores like the game by game data play-by-play data. Are we getting this right? Is this really happening? I mean it was such a collective feeling of just completely being stunned and it was. I think impart exhaustion both physically immensely. That was a crazy series. Like you're mentioning. There was injury issues and you know both teams were kind of in a rough rough way by the end of it and Golden State. When they won that it was just a matter of relief. You know it was a matter of survival. It wasn't even like a celebration. It was just like Oh my God like we're still alive. I guess we're going forward now. just a crazy crazy series. No no question are Michael. I think we've got time for one more team from the title this series by Espy nation that. You WanNA highlight. So who are I mean? I guess it would make sense to kind of bring it back and wrap this up by just talking about the some of the teams that were downed by Michael Jordan. I mean it's so many well look. You need a ten part series for that now. We'll go through them very very quickly. But just like you have those pacers teams and particularly ninety eight which I think was. Maybe the best team of that bunch. In that era with Reggie Miller and Mark Jackson and Rick Smith's and those were really fun teams that that. I think that was the only team that pushed Michael Jordan spoils to seven games. Is that correct? That's sounds correct. I would have to double check if they had eastern conference finals but obviously we never went longer than cigarette. team was was great. And it's kind of. It's tough that they never want to ring and ready million everyone ring I mean you have those Knicks Teams. That you mentioned probably the most tortured teams looking back. There's a lot of competition for this but those teams That never got over the hump that were really iconic for just their physicality and everything they stood for with Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason Patrick Ewing and that was tough. Yeah I think it's a two team race for that the title of like. Who was the most tortured by Jordan? Because I think the Bulls were five. Ano- with Jordan against the Knicks and the Knicks did get one series off when he was playing baseball. But that's kind of small consolation because they weren't able to cashing in as title. But then you also have the jazz where I mean. Those two finalists were just like gutting losses. Right and Jordan's doing it with flu. Jordan's doing it with the last job breaking your heart and you had a three point lead in the last minute of the game. It wasn't just that they lost Jordan. It was like the manner in which they did it. All those guys were vets. They were on the same page. It was clearly the peak of their careers and come up just short twice in a row and then never really get back there. Just because the air is changed in the new stars came in and everything else I might give. Utah is really close. Do you have a favorite there between Utah and again in terms of third more to. It's GOTTA BE UTAH. I mean I kept this. I was going to cap it off with you. You hit it right on the head. They were number one in. Mike's not good enough division bracket the ninety-seven Utah Jazz It's I mean I. I needed this source to kind of look up heartbreaking and just continuously use it but that's exactly what it was and to get so close Like to get to the finals repeatedly as they did and just come up short against the same guy. It's like it's such a nightmare. It's soul shattering. Michael Soul shattering well on that late note. I think we are going to call it for today. Guys email us in open floor male edgy. Mud Dot Com. Open floor male Edgy Menachem. We will return to kind of more regularly scheduled programing by taking your questions in detail early. Next week we'll be able to discuss. Of course the first two episodes that everyone will have watched? If you're watching that last dance documentary and you have any takes. Fire them our way open floor. Male EDGY DOT com. We're also on apple podcast. You can find our page by searching for open floor. 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Momentum With The Bulls

The Trader Cobb Crypto Podcast

07:13 min | 3 months ago

Momentum With The Bulls

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A message from BeeBop

The Alien Adventures of Finn Caspian

03:01 min | 1 year ago

A message from BeeBop

"Hi, welcome to the veterans of Ben Caspian this as bebop. This is a message from bebop to you. Our listeners this Jonathan has disappointed all of us as weak by not releasing season. Six episode ten of the podcast. And look, I'm not here to make excuses for him. But I will say I know he has been working very hard. And I know he's had some technical difficulties. So he hasn't been able to get the episode together. He was really hoping to have it for you today, but unfortunately he's not able to do it. So I have come up with a list of things that I have done to help him. First of all, I took all of his socks, put them in the kitchen sink, and I turned on the hot water. Why are these socks sort of hot and wet? Why? And that didn't really seem to help him make the episode. So I thought, what I would do is take all of his T shirts. Hey, anybody seen any t shirts? I would die them yellow this looks like my Chicago Bulls shirt, but it's yellow and then spills spaghetti sauce all over them art smells like it's been sitting sauce for weeks and you know let that didn't help him making up either. So then Finally, I had this idea is perfect idea. I would take all of his books cut out page, forty seven and each of them, and then rearrange them all, and then glue them into other books. When did Ron Weasley go to the Shire? I love that one, because that prank is gonna pay off for years, much to my surprise. I don't think any of this stuff has helped him make an episode, but it has helped me feel a lot better about they're not being pursued I have laughed at a whole lot this week. But here's the thing. I know the John new computer is up and ready to go and we're going to have some amazing episodes. He has promised me episode on Wednesday and episode on Friday of next week, and we have a special bonus episode with our friends from the past the curious coming up as well. So a lot of really great stuff coming up, and like I said, no excuses for Jonathan's behavior. The episode will be out on Wednesday. That is a guarantee from Bima to you, or I personally will paint Jonathan's sunglasses with blueberry yogurt. What is this? I can't see. Okay. I did that. Optima was more printing. If Jonathan doesn't have this done for you, I promise next week on Wednesday. Thank you all so much for your patience. And we will see you next week.

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Jordan vs Isiah - The Triangle | 3

Sports Wars

27:46 min | 1 year ago

Jordan vs Isiah - The Triangle | 3

"It's summer nineteen eighty nine Michael Jordan is playing golf in San Diego. Jordan is an exceptional golfer. He has at single digit handicap, and is always eager to bet on around sometimes even jokes that he's going to quit basketball to join the PGA tour when he's older. Well after he wins a few NBA rings. Of course, today he's on the ninth hole. Trying to hustle, a few of his old college teammates, as they're all discussing the bulls new head coach Phil Jackson, and they've come to a conclusion about the new man in charge. It's that he's weird when he played for the Knicks back in the seventies, he was outcast. A guy who never scored much despite his six foot eight inch frame. He had long hair a beard, and a lot of opinions now as a first time NBA head coach. He's trying to gain MJ's trust. Not so easy task Jackson is replacing Doug Collins and Jordan loved Collins. Collins gave him free reign as a one man team for Jordan. The changing of the guard has been exhausting. But he's put it out of his mind for now. It's hard to complain about anything while chewing on a cigar on the golf course with his buddies instead of dodging elbows from the bad boy, Detroit Pistons. As he steps to the t- on a short par four. He has a choice to make hit a driver as hard as he possibly can in hopes of giving himself shot at an eagle or play it safe with a smooth three iron into the fairway for a look at birdie. It's like the choice. Phil Jackson is giving him on the court. Keep muscling his way to the rim every night scoring thirty plus points a game or play smarter and have a real shot at winning what he wants most. An NBA title Jordan's never been quite sure what to make of his new coach. Jackson pushes for more balanced on offense, less shooting and more passing to find the best shot for the team. Not just for the team superstar. It doesn't seem fully logical to Jordan yet. Jackson's argument keeps running through his head only once in NBA history has the league season, scoring leader one, an NBA championship, and it was Kareem. Abdul-jabbar Jackson has been devising a plan with the bulls assistant. That plan, the triangle, offense, the gist of the strategy is for players to spread the floor, Passmore and play more as a single unit, then a single player, it's an oversimplification but to Michael Jordan, it's the only part that matters share the ball way, more Jordan, tries to shake off his wandering mind and focus on his swing. But he just can't the triangle, I'll give it three games. He thinks as he blasts his drive off the tee in search of that riskier eagle after those three games. He thinks I'm just gonna go back to doing what I do. Sports wars is brought to you by chase. So you're ready to buy your first home. 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The pistons are defending NBA champs. There are well-balanced team with their egos in check together pursuing a goal to physically dominate all opponents, which matches their nickname, the bad, boys. Meanwhile in Chicago, twenty six year old Michael Jordan is the games. Most dynamic star the bulls have yet to get to an NBA finals, let alone win a championship now they've got a new coach with the new offense of strategy. But the question remains will Jordan play along with the bulls new philosophy. This is episode three, the triangle. It's Friday, November third nineteen eighty nine the bulls are hosting the Cleveland Cavaliers and trailing by two in the final seconds. The bulls inbound the ball gives it up to eight seconds. Scotty William gonna drive peach Jordan thirteen. Once again, Jordan comes up clutch, and forces overtime not it's more Jordan, as he finishes with fifty four points to lead the win as the broadcasters wrap up the game. The cameras are non Jordan. They're focused on Phil Jackson. The new head coach with a plan to evolve Jordan from scorer to champion tonight. Thanks, jordan. We didn't need any damn triangle offense. We just needed meat. A few days later. It's the Detroit Pistons, who roll into Chicago Jordan, hasn't forgotten last year. The oh and six record against the pistons and the regular season, the Eastern Conference beat down from the bad, boys. The NBA title ring. Isaiah now has to his name Jordan is pissed when the game starts the piston still abide by the Jordan rules, double teaming him and pushing around any chance, they get the bad boys opened up a quick fourteen point lead and suck the life right out of Chicago Stadium. Jordan is having a good night's scoring, but it's not enough he knows he needs to get the other guys involved or the damn pistons with their brutal rules will keep knocking him to the ground as the game wines down. He starts thinking about what fills been telling him about looking Passmore and finally finally takes it to heart. Explode Chicago ties. Michael jordan. These Cartwright ride open over to come and help out Sally that leaves underneath grand open mic. The on the switch and Michael Jordan found all five bowls starters finished with double digit points. Jordan, of course, leads them all with forty. But the win over the pistons is a big deal. He thinks maybe I can win a ring after all, maybe I should listen to what this new. Yes, weird coach has to say Phil Jackson's big bet on ball, movement and player, spacing appears to be returning early dividends. It was a long, strange trip to this point for Phil Jackson. And he's relieved to have beaten the pistons this early into his bulls experiment. His system is a bit unconventional, but that's always been his way as players walk past him on the way to the locker room. They give them light taps on the back. Not many words are exchanged, he's not one of the quote, guys yet. But then, again, he never really has been. He sits down alone in the locker room and thinks about growing up, North Dakota with no TV in his house. No music, either, just sports and competitions with his brother to keep them amused. He's never been out to make friends or impress people. So he's not laughing with the players as they stream into the locker room high off the pistons win. He's always just tried to find new ways to surprise competition. That's how we want to high school titles in North Dakota and overachieved at division to university of North Dakota. It's how he won a title as. A lanky role player with the Knicks in the seventies, he then battled his way through second rate coaching jobs in the CBA in Puerto Rico and got turned down by NBA teams over and over until now. He's finally an NBA head coach. He's got the best player in the world on his team. And everyone's starting to buy in Jackson isn't the triangle offenses. Soul of Angeles. One of his assistant coaches Tex winter helped engineer the strategy techs, actually wrote the book on the triangle offense way. Back in nineteen sixty two a year before Jordan was born winter works. Endlessly with the bulls to try to perfect their new offense of system over the next couple of months. The two coaches, watch Jordan still struggle with the nightly weight of carrying the team as a one man offense, the more he tries to do in battling the riptide that isn't NBA schedule the worse it gets. They talked to Michael about not trying to do. You as much slowing down his mindset, the harder part turns out to be convincing. Some of the other bulls take Horace Grant, for example, for him Jackson's lessons on the triangle, offense sound like Stephen hawking teaching astrophysics. He just doesn't get it. If the bulls are the best group of athletes in the league. Why not just run in dunk? Why waste their time on this stupid scheme. He thinks, but Jackson and winter are obsessed with getting it right? One night. The poles are flying charter when they hit some rocky air, many of the players are white knuckle flyers anyway. But this flight is really bad. Suddenly, the plane noses down into a die oxygen masks, drop from the ceiling, the whole team panics, the grab for masks and grip their arm rests like the harder. They squeeze the less likely. They are to die, even Jordan always unflappable under pressure. It's a little nervous. But in the back of the plane Tex winter is cool as cucumber. This former navy fighter pilot who flew in World War Two watching game film on a small screen his oxygen mask hangs down in front of him. When it Bob's in front of a screen each's pushes it away. Phil Jackson loves this obsessive commitment from his Lieutenant, he'll work hard to get Jordan and the other bulls to feel the same way. As the season grinds on the bulls lose their next several matchups with the pistons, it turns out there still a lot of work left to counter the Jordan rules. The bulls are bracing the triangle. But it's just gonna take more reps to get it. Right. So they practice fundamentals for hours each day bounce passes. Cut screens. Jordan calls it basketball for slow white guys he's buying into Texan fill system, but this is a little too much. Thanks. Tex winter senses Jordan's resistance. He tells them there's no I in team. Yeah. But there is in win Jordan counters, his nonstop, competitive drive, also means he needs to have the last word as much as the last shot Jackson. Also senses his star pushing back a bit and pulls him aside at practice. One day, he tells them Mike just to be clear if things break down out there it's still all you in the last five seconds, one assistant, coach calls at the archangel offense as in Michael, please save us. It's January nineteen ninety the pistons are fully embracing the bad boys, reputation. It took them all the way last year. It's making them the favorite to do it again this year. The holy is tough. But the pistons take it to another level abandoning all pretence, courtesy shake hands, after a loss, please. This isn't little league encouraging teammate when he misses a free throw. Why bother make it next time on this Jordan and is Ahah? See eye-to-eye they both believe that best is synonymous with toughest strongest meanest and his heart as they are on each other when the pistons and bulls do battle, they're even harder on their own teammates. Isaiah routinely gets in fights with other pistons and practice. He shouts at star guard Joe Dumars and one game for being too soft on Jorda Jordan also bullies his teammates. He humiliates Horace Grant in front of everyone on the team flight by throwing away grants food. And telling them he didn't deserve to eat after the way he just played. It's February nineteen ninety on the court. It's all starting to click for the bulls. They're twenty eight in nineteen at the all star break up and coming Chicago forward, Scottie Pippen, makes the all star team alongside Jordan. It's hard to believe. He was a scared rookie Jordan didn't trust. Just two years ago. MJ is still the league's top scorer, but Pippen and Horace Grant are starting to pull their own weight coach Phil Jackson and his assistant Tex winter believed the recent winning streak is largely the result of their triangle offense. He's been introducing it in bits and pieces all season. So as not to overwhelm the team while many of the players groan about the change by the end of the regular season. The bulls are ahead of the pack, the only team they trail in the Eastern Conference are the Detroit Pistons, the reigning champs, the pistons who get red hot at the end of the season are now the gathering storm clouds threatening. 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She joins an intergalactic elite military team called star force, but after danvers has trained and become a valued member of star force. She finds herself back on earth with new questions about her past. She quickly lands on the radar of Nick fury, and the pair must work together against a formidable enemy in the form of the scrolls who are planning an invasion of earth. Get marvel studios. Captain, marvel now on digital and movies anywhere. Blu Ray and four. K. L. Tra-. HD. Jordan is locked in taking the pistons very seriously normally the night before a game. He takes it easy. Maybe play thirty six holes of golf on the morning of a playoff game. Then drop fifty on that night's unlucky opponent all capped off with some all night cards with buddies before getting up and doing it all over again. Not against the bad boys, though. Not this year. He's focusing more getting healthier even lifting weights for the first time in his career to add some muscle heading into game. One Jackson tells us team that they need to pick up the pace get to over one hundred points each game and avoid the physical defensive battle the bad, boys. Wanna play move the ball cut, and get open don't put Jordan situations where he can get hacked repeatedly game. One is the opposite of that requested fast temple affair. The bulls lose eighty six seventy seven in a slug fest playing right? Detroit's hand and even the broadcasters wonder how the bowls, we'll get back to Jackson strategy. They have to find a way to get the ball from other people from other people involved in good. Thought that was gonna happen game to Jordan and the bulls lose again. Heading back to Chicago. They now trail two games to none, the bulls, get on track and games three and four scoring over one hundred each game evening, the series after slitting games. Five and six game seven will be winner-take-all, and it will be played on the pistons raucous home court in Detroit. It's june. Third. Nineteen ninety it's still over an hour before tip off and Scottie. Pippen is sitting on the bench with a towel wrapped around his head unable to move from time to time he suffers from migraines. And this is a bad one Jordan walks by him. Shaking his head in disgust. His side, kick can't even see straight, let alone, compliment him as the bulls secondary scoring option as Ahah. Thomas also sees Pippen, struggling and laughs and gets a photographer to take a picture of Pippin alone on the bench in pain moments before the game starts. He passes the picture around and the pistons locker room Thomas tells his teammates look at this, they're still scared. Pippen is alongside Jordan in the starting lineup for Chicago's biggest game of the season. But the bulls are off. At halftime. They're down by fifteen and it only gets worse from there. Pippen with his pounding. Headache is clearly affected and manages to score only two points Jordan gets thirty one but it's nowhere near enough. The pistons beat the bulls again and badly ninety three seventy four Detroit is headed to the NBA finals again. Thomas is mischievous smiling ear to ear as he makes his way back to the pistons locker room amused to see Jordan grinding his teeth in anger. In a post game interview is AM twist the knife. He says, just another game in the playoffs for us, maybe their youth and inexperience showed again it's a clear shot at Pippen Jordan's up and coming sidekick. This is now the third straight year ending loss to the pistons, but to Jordan, this one feels different. This one transform. Him. He's furious in the locker room and makes a simple demand. One that surprises some of his teammates unlike last year. No golf trips this offseason everyone needs to get to work immediately and novacare this summer. Nothing short of all out focus on slaying. The dragon. It's July nineteen ninety Michael Jordan heads to Lake Tahoe for a celebrity golf tournament. Yes. When you're Jay, you can make an exception to the whole novacare rule. He's playing with other great athletes, including NFL stars, John Elway, and Dan Marino. Marino has led the league in damn near every stat for years. LA's been to three Super Bowls. Jordan loves being around other dominant athletes also in their prime, but he can't get over one thing, neither has broken through and taking home a Super Bowl ring yet. That's when it hits Jordan. He doesn't wanna be like these guys regular season wins, MVP's hall of fame stats, none of it. Matters. Jordan needs a ring to prove he's the goat a class above just being a star when Jordan gets back from the golf tournament, he scans the bulls roster for the nineteen ninety nine hundred ninety one season Pippen, and grant are obviously both on the roster. But maybe not for long, Jordan. Thanks, if the team doesn't break through the bad boys wall this year, it'll be time for some serious changes. Big changes like getting rid of these two guys Pippen and grant who just can't count on in the clutch and instead, get a great player who's been in big spots before and come through Jordan, even went to bowls executives and volunteer to forfeit a hundred thousand dollars of his salary to get someone worthy. This is a big offer from Jordan he isn't loose with his cash while he likes to gamble and his quick to bed on Gulf cards. Whatever he's known for collecting gambling bets on the spot. And when he's the one who loses he's not always as quick to pay up in this case, he'll make an exception anything to take down is Asia, and the pistons, the bulls opened the nineteen ninety season by losing their first three games including two at home. They quickly correct things with a seven game winning streak, but they still find themselves two games back of Detroit after the firm. First month of the season, six days before Christmas Jordan, and the bulls finally face off against the pistons in Detroit, Jordan scores thirty three. But the rest of the team plays a biz Maly and the bulls, get buried by twenty one points Jordan won't speak to anyone after the game. Thomas, though, smiles again, January, the bulls, get a break both figuratively and literally. Isaiah Thomas is having surgery on a lingering wrist injury. He'll be out till April Jordan, and the bulls then begin a run winning seven in a row in February. When the bulls play the pistons for the third time the tide finally begins to turn. It's a typically slow paced pistons game, the bad boys, do everything they can to rough up Jordan, also typical these Jordan rules aren't going away. But the bulls fight back this time Pippen scores, twenty points, despite Dennis Rodman smothering him wherever he goes, the triangle. Offense starts to work. It also helps the pistons are slow to double team Jordan. He only gets better as the game goes on closing out the game by scoring the last ten points to seal. A two point bowls win. It doesn't matter to Chicago Thomas didn't play. It's a rare win in Detroit. Jordan was the star, of course. But more importantly, Pippen in the offense came through and did their part walking off the court Jordan tells a reporter, the bulls have been quote snake bitten before against the pistons, but that's over now and he can't wait to prove it in the spring by the end of April nineteen Ninety-one following a run winning nineteen of twenty games Jordan, and the bulls are atop the Eastern Conference Jordan's scoring. Average is down from last year. He's taking fewer shots but he still leads the league in points per game for the fifth straight year, the last game of the season is bulls, pistons, and was Chicago now up ten games on Detroit. In the Eastern Conference, both sides, agreed to a truce will sort of pistons coach Chuck Daly calls this regular season game quote meaningless and limits has minutes. The bulls do the same with Jordan after the bulls win the quote meaningless game, Phil Jackson is a little coy. He says, we think we'll see Detroit to get Jordan is a little more direct. He tells the media we've been wanting to play the pistons because there are nemesis right now. We know that. And we want to get past them in a chief something big. The bulls are the hottest team in the NBA heading into the playoffs and sweep their way through the Knicks in the first round then easily blast the Sixers four games to one the pistons, and most notably. Isaiah are beat up down the stretch and have a tougher road in the playoffs. But eventually get past Atlanta and Boston, just like that basketball fans NBA media, and most importantly, Jordan, and is area have exactly what they want. The rematch. As is AM rolls into Chicago forty eight hours ahead of game. One driving past his old neighborhood. He's faced with the reality his pistons, don't actually have the psychological edge anymore, but the bulls still think we do I say is right, even though the bulls finished the season with a franchise. Best, sixty one wins Jordan still isn't sure what he'd see against Detroit. Jordan boasts about Pippen publicly, but he still not sure, he's the sidekick he needs to break through privately. He's still doubts him after shrinking in the moment against the pistons the last two years. He also thinks at least we have the triangle fully working. Now he smiles getting excited for the battle ahead and confident in a new truth. The bad boys are going to need a lot more than their f- in rules this year. In our next episode Jordan and is AM meet in the nineteen ninety one Eastern Conference finals in waged their fiercest war yet. 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Still Trying To Play

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Still Trying To Play

"Week four in the attic will bond beginning to smell a little cheesy up here. We're going to start with baseball baseball. Keeps trying to get a plan out. There feels right to everybody. Usa Today is reporting that the new plan would have and this is very convenient. Fifteen teams in Florida at the training camps that they use for the Grapefruit League fifteen teams in Arizona at the training camps they use for the cactus league the winner in both areas and this is not going to go. American league national. It's not it's going to be different. Everybody's going to be mixed in the win. Arizona plays the winner in Florida. Four the world series. No fans are involved hearing this now. What do you think of this plan? They're wasting my time wasted my time. Why are we talking about plans? I mean people are still dying in America and other places to people are still quarantined. People are still having to stay in place by governor decree in many if not all of the states were baseball teams operate for usually where our homes markets are we talking about Tony. I understand that baseball like every sport needs to sit and plan. Because you can't be caught just like. Oh what are we doing if the world takes a turn for the better and sports are allowed to resume but until then I feel bothered by these and I don't know if somebody's leak them. I don't know how they're getting out or why they're getting out. I understand people are sitting behind closed. Doors trying to figure out what the hell to do but until the world takes a turn for the Tony. I don't care about their plan. Do you actually do. I think this is a much better plan than the Arizona plan where everybody would be sequestered in Arizona. I think that owners WANNA play and players want to play and they want to get ready. I heard Tony. Larussa is quoted in this. As saying why do we have to say no to this now? What I like about this plan is if as you say this can be done. What players need they need to things? They need testing and they need their families. Everybody who works out in Arizona probably has a home in Arizona. Everybody works at in Florida Florida's. So you could. You could be with your family's there wouldn't be that sorta dislocation of everybody everybody going to. Arizona. I don't mind optimism if they say to me this what. We're going to do no matter what I think that's crazy but this sounds to me Mike a little bit like the players counter-proposal and and to be honest with you. I like it and I think it's greatly convenient that both just for this one year. That Arizona has fifteen teams. And you know Florida has fifteen teams. You could get a world series with the dodgers and the Yankees. You can get a world series with the cubs in the one year. Only I do what I like it. This is this is. This is a waste of my time. This is the waste of all of our time to this point. You don't have to say no to anything you can't say yes to anything. It's way so there was a plan last week. They were all going to Arizona last week. Now it's Florida Arizona next week whereas what are they gonNA play next week? They're gonNA play in Texas. They're gonNA play on the Moon. I mean it just just a waste of time to talk about this stuff. It angers me it really does Tony because I think it's a waste of time when we get to the point where you could consider these things. Consider whatever you want. We're not there. Are People watching the news? The real news at night. 'cause I don't think they are putting baseball teams out there at this point in where they're gonNA play this nonsense to me. I'm GonNa move to something else because it's not since we got something that some people might consider nonce coming from the NBA Rudy. Gobert Tales Taylor rooks among others. That everything's with him. Donovan Mitchell. They're fine if find rudy. Gobert says after bear. Of course that episode. Where he massage the microphones before testing positive subsequently and he was playfully engage with Donovan. Mitchell before testing positive and it was said to be the relationship. Tony unsalvageable now bear. Says it's fine. You believe everything's good. Everything's cool. I'm going to get to that in a second. I'm going to go back to the baseball for just ten seconds. You have to have a plan. You may not like the fact that it's out there but you cannot be caught without a plan and I admire the fact that they tried to get an equitable plan. Now to rudy go bear. I don't care about Rudy. Go bears feelings. He's the protagonist in this. I care about Donovan Mitchell feelings. He's the guy who received the virus from Rudy Gobert. I think it's smart. That go bear is going out to try and get ahead of this. Because his behavior was the behavior jerk when he touched everything in town right. And now he's saying and I have a quote here from Rudy Gobert. I believe he said that made me look bad. It's not who I am. I was able to save thousands and thousands of lives that to me is ridiculous exaggeration but I do understand. I do understand that. He wants to get this behind them. Because as you know this destroy the Utah Team if one of them has to be traded. Yeah it sounds like one. I'm going to have to be traded until I hear this from Donovan Mitchell. I don't care what Rudy Gobert has to say either Rudy Gobert by the way who seems completely clueless and he does not seem that way. Tony when you talk to him in person I have. And it doesn't seem like he has any sort of malice or intent but he seems completely clueless until we get this until we hear this from Donovan. Mitchell nothing rudy. Gobert says is anything. We agree on that. The first thing I said out of my mouth was you gotTa have a plan all right. So that's not news either. Have a plan have fifty plant. But they don't mount a damn thing until the world takes a turn for the better. It doesn't matter what stupid plans are. Not Any sport not the NBA. Mlb NOT PLAYING NORTH DAKOTA. You can have a plan. It doesn't Mean Jack and I'm tired of it. I'm tired of hearing about plans music. Oh how does this sound? It sounds like a stupid plan. That's not going to be put into effect anytime soon so I'm going to go back again on this same topic. You don't want to be caught without a plan if things get better. Nobody is saying that you're wrong. Nobody can play now. But if you are unaware and unprepared and suddenly it does turn you have to have something so. I don't I don't do this. And by the way let me go back into this for second with Rudy. Gobert if you were the general manager of Utah and it came to the fact that one of these two fellows had to be traded. Who WOULD YOU TRADE? Here's something I know. We'RE GONNA agree on even though Rudy. Go bears well. Maybe we won't defensive player of the year. I think once he's going to be. He's all defensive team. One of the first three teams every year Rudy Gobert. That's what you're going to trade. You're going to keep Donovan Mitchell. Donna Mitchell can be the face of a franchise even if he's not a one on a championship team he can be Tony. Rubare cannot be not in this age of all court play even though you'd like to have them both and you'd like to repair it. If one is got to go go bare let me show you where the door is. Yeah no I agree with you on that. And we'll stay with basketball. We'll go to your team. The Chicago Bulls Chicago Bulls recently hired and I hope I name pronounced correctly are tourists. Khanna chauvinist to run the team. That was last week today. He fired Gar forman who had been the GM for eleven years and had been with the Bulls probably for twenty years. He reassigned John Paxson. And this is your team. They have become largely irrelevant lately. Do you like these moves Tony. I'm only going to like the move if they start winning some games and make the playoffs. So that's a big. If they haven't done that the last couple of years you know with John Paxson Gar Forman and those guys take a lot of heat in Chicago a lot lately. I thought and I've said this over and over. They built the right team twice. They built a team around. Derrick rose to the conference finals loss. Lebron they built a team around. Jimmy Butler Tony. A few years later. That team should have been up three one. A Mother's Day game in Chicago Lebron James Hits a three at the Buzzer to make it two two otherwise Cleveland's down three one. The Bulls are in a position for Gar and packs for that team. They built to move on. And it didn't so Tony it's okay to bring in a new guy. Is that new guy going to be the answer. I don't know maybe he's going to be the answer. The Way Ryan Pace at the bears was brought in to be the answer and he been the anti at either so this guy gets a clean slate. He's got a couple of really nice pieces already to work with and a lottery pick. Does that mean the Bulls are going to be a playoff team next year? No it doesn't yeah. My feeling about the Bulls is that they were great. Obviously with Michael Jordan. They had a chance. Derrick rose but he became injury prone. I'm not as I don't know that I agree with you about the Jimmy Butler thing. But they have sunk. I'm not saying they're on the level of Orlando or Sacramento. Because this is Chicago and it's a much bigger deal but it's very hard to attract free agents in cold. Climate Toronto found out. Unless you have a star. They don't have a star right now and that hurts them. The documentary about Michael Jordan. That I know your Geek to see a lot of people are as well. That's about a season. That's more than twenty years old the Bulls have they've sunk. They've sunk Tony. They have and they're hoping that they're desperate. Now they went with the GARF- pack tandem. Trying to put together a good team for quite a while this year. Tony hurt him because they thought they were going to be a playoff team this year. They were not a playoff team. Massive injuries are Gin. And so the Bulls. Yeah it's back to twenty years back to the ooh. I can't say back to the future when the last dance was twenty years ago. Let's go back to football for a second and Jersey drama. Todd Gurley is now suddenly wearing number. Twenty one in Atlanta for the Falcons. You know twenty one. Oh wait. Several people have most notably dion. Were twenty one thirty denounce not okay with this right now. Are You well? Dionne said to Todd Gurley apparently and reportedly when Gurley said I'd like to wear the number the unsaid no but then began to look bad so DNA is now said publicly. He was joking. I know Dionne I love the not joking. He not only doesn't think todd Grayson. We're twenty one. He didn't think anybody to lead should wear twenty-one he thinks that number should be retired. I don't really understand why Todd Gurley wore number thirty with the rams and I think number three in high school i. I'm not understanding why he wants this number. Or you know let me say. Diop played five years for Atlanta. He played for the cowboys. Play for the Ravens at the and he played for the niners famously and one. I don't think you have to put twenty one. In mothballs okay. It's it's not. It's not thirty two in Cleveland. It's not thirty four in Chicago. I love to you know I do. I don't understand why girly needs to wear this number. Leave the number of loan. It wasn't yours anywhere. Doing is just like he's gotTa start something he wants to get under the skin which I think is particularly like Stupid Todd. Gurley unique savage your career. You need to hit the start. Button a reserve but non your career dude. Where where something else where he hate me on your Jersey. Where whatever you want Lee twenty-one alone even though Tony I'm not saying it should be retired just bigger than this and I don't know what I don't know what does it isn't the bigger nuisance that people in their plans for resuming Sports Desmond Choo Funds. Been Wearing twenty one and he's been wearing it in Atlanta so they don't retire numbers him probably means they didn't retired. Tommy nobis number. It's a non starter for me. The redskins had a similar problem twain. Haskins would like to wear seven. Joe Thighs men. If you remember how to bless that it was in the paper for a month or so but it finally worked its way out and because the redskins will retire numbers. I like you don't see any reason why Todd Gurley needs to wear twenty one. I don't you said Tommy notice that you're skewing old you're going back. I'M GONNA say nobis was fifty eight or fifty nine am I right. I don't know I would. Sixty came to mind but I don't know but when you say skewing old I am old. So were you able to Kevin. Carl are not old back to you. Geico gets you access to licensed agents twenty four seven which means that. Geico is always there for you. If only everyone was always there for you your wife when you forget your keys at work my texts. I am looking for the spare house key. Maybe can get through. The window turns out the alarm works. Wow it works fast. You should probably call me back. Geico always there for you with savings and twenty four seven access to licensed agents back in the attic glasses so we can do the happy. Happy Twenty Ninth Birthday Josh Gordon. If it seems so long ago that Josh Gordon led the NFL in receiving yards with sixteen hundred forty six for the Cleveland browns. It's because it is so long ago. It was two thousand thirteen when Gordon was first team all pro. Since then. Gordon's career has been littered with lengthy suspensions because of Drug Abuse Gordon's most recent suspension. And there have been six in all came last December when he was playing for the Seattle Seahawks if the Patriots. Let him go. Gordon would like to come back and play this coming season. And Roger Goodell reinstates him. Gordon will be an unrestricted free agent. The is always the same Mike. Lots of talent can stay on the field twenty. How many chances I mean. How many chances would I give if I was GM? I don't know and I'm sure it would be sort of proportionate to the talent available. We talked about a guy having sixteen hundred yards. But Tony Too many chances. I'm radioactive seems like every day for the past five or six shows we've talked about some football player who I would just say. No To and Josh Gordon and I don't WanNa seem overly harsh six chances. That's a lot it's too many for me. I would not be seeking services as a free agent. Happy Anniversary Tiger Woods on this date twenty three years ago tiger was first masters by a record. Twelve strokes shooting the lowest score in the history of the eighteen under par to seventy tiger was twenty one years old and was ushering in the greatest ten year. Run in the history of Golf. Everybody knows what befell Tiger Scandal. Divorce injuries dependencies. Which is why him winning. The masters last April was such a popular story the spectacular rise spectacular fall improbable rise again. These are the pulp fiction stories of tigers career. The hugging of his children after last year's Fifth Masters Win was the book end to the hugging of his father. After this first one Tony those homes got to me watching it yesterday. I wasn't able to see it live last years. I was a plane leaving. Nba game going somewhere. And I watched it yesterday and former just sat there and actually make son come in and watch that ending watch tiger tiger woods talk about it with Jim. Nance in the sort of rebroadcast. The Tigers first time talking about it publicly like that was was very emotional at one point. Nancy Dry House and there wasn't one in my mind happy trails to the WWE. For Ronda Rousey. The most celebrated of all the women fighters or wrestlers has decided to sever her relationship with the wrestling carnival and told. Wild Ride Stevo. Then one reason was the fans. Were not thankful enough rows. He said quote. What am I doing it for if I'm not able to spend my time and energy on my family but instead spending time and energy on a bunch of bleeping ungrateful fans don't even appreciate me Unquote Rowzee said before? She returned to the ring. She I wanted to have a baby with her husband Travis Brown and she held out the possibility that she would care so much about that baby. She wouldn't return at all she said and I quote. I love performing. I love the girls but at the end of the day. I was like bleep. These fans unquote Tori. I understand the entire sentiment understand all of it. The notion that you don't want to do this three hundred days a year and be on the road two hundred I get all of it. I just don't get the part where you have to attack the fans when you're an entertainment Ronda. Rousey has been an entertainment all these years lately. I at some point. You're going to be dependent and you might WANNA come back young. You've got time to come back but you need those fans. You Might WanNa just sort of backtrack a little bit just a little bit crawl. Kevin Thorn back to you.

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Would Curry's Warriors Beat Jordan's Bulls?

Warriors Off-Court

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Would Curry's Warriors Beat Jordan's Bulls?

"The warriors after the San Francisco Chronicle's NBA. Podcast I'm your host. Country will turn out today bream hills men host to the warriors huddled podcast. The last dance documentary has understandably received a lot of attention in recent weeks. So bram came on to settle a debate to the best team. From those Michael Jordan led Bulls beat the best team of the dynastic warriors. Brand on the PODCAST. You're like it's been forever now. It's only been a week or so How you been you staying out. There is a relative term connor. And let me first. Thank you for having me on. That is nice just talking to somebody who is not my wife and child which is brings me right back to the whole sanity thing. I think I'm okay. We haven't pulled knives on each other yet. So everything's going well there and to give you a sense of how excited I am just to have a new venue and I hope this doesn't lead to me getting arrested but I work in the city and right now. I'm literally in my office by myself because I needed just a new venue man. So yes thank you and it is great to be with. Ya just announced to my roommate a few minutes ago. I think I'm GonNa go outside today. And he's like well let us surreal time. It's this entire thing is just so strange but it is what it is. I guess man it is and You know our job is to still find content for our listeners in our readers out there and You know the big talking point right now. Is the last dance documentary for good reason? Great Content Yeah it's something. I look forward to every week now every Sunday excited. Because it's something new to watch And I think they've done a great job with it and one of the big debates understandably. That's coming out of You know we're these bulls at their peak as good or better than the warriors at their. Now I don't think there's any debate that the Bulls Dynasty was better dynasty at least so far compared to the warriors because they won six titles only one three but I think it's an interesting exercise. Try to look at at their peak. Which Dynasty was better? And do that. I think we need to break it down. I had so I agree with you. And before you get categories you might have. I asked you a upfront question because I thought of you literally you. When they first announced they tend part series on Jordan and then when they ultimately brought out and the reason I thought if was the this is all conjecture but I felt like Jordan finally allowed to lead to use his image right because he's one of the only things in history who actually controls when the media can use his image and Jordan has allowed it now and I thought he did that because we're at the precipice where people are finally actually questioning whether or not he's the go and there's this argument and I would Lebron and I figured Jordan looked out. There's all these really really well educated. Nba Fans who didn't get to watch live and he wanted to show them who he was. So that when they're having this debate they would know at least something about Jordan and one of those really educated NBA. And you right just by virtue of age. You didn't grow up watching this guy so now watching the last dance seeing Jordan. Has This added anything to your understanding his greatness and the whole LBJ for Jordan debate or not. We're definitely has definitely has And I I definitely think with Lebron. There was a fire so A lot of people doing these conversations leading these debates or people didn't get to watch Michael Jordan and his prime and just watching the footage seen everything that went into it You can't help but be amazed by his greatness and it definitely teaches your perception of of Of where he kind of ranked in the in. The Pantheon I to that guy who around is the greatest player time. I'm not ready to to make full. You know fully changed course quite yet but I think stores in new time does your in their time. I love you for admitting that. And then we'll get to your analytical category on On our parliament whereas we've just been having screaming fights with the Jordan Verse Lebron thing and it's good to hear somebody who's at least acknowledging the George may be coming up. But I digress man back to you because I love I was. I was talking to a couple of still have dancing. You know these guys. These guys are early twenties They were being born. You know at the end of that was run and they've expressed to me like how exciting it is for them watching this and and truly appreciating. Mj's cause for them you know. Kobe was really very object Yeah right actually see the real footage of the MJ It it it makes them appreciate him in a different way. So I think that's really the great gift of all this and You know really on Michael. Smart to wait this long and they have it for sure. He planned the pandemic. You know. Forget throughout that competitive. Here's another this is just a random aside about the last dance but I now demand that. Espn does a ten part documentary about that. Blondes JERRY CURLED SECURITY GUARD. Who was playing Quarters game against Jordan in the six part can Richard I. I just don't meet Michael Rosiak. I've looked him up. I cannot get enough from him. I can tell you about him He entered Jordan's life because he hit him with a car. I mean like I. I'm telling you I'm obsessed with this dude and I you know not limited to ten parts. Let's start with a ten part wasn't a documentary. And then he score. If there's further stuff we need to know right So categories that. We're going to break this down our coach court starting back in Pech now. There were a couple of different races of teams that we could go with that. I decided to go with ninety five ninety six bowls And the reason for that is that that's the team that won the most games seventy two and then obviously one the final here so I think that was when. Mj was truly in the heart of his prime. And Scottie know those guys. I'M GONNA go with ninety five ninety six and then I'm GonNa for the warriors I know it'd be easy to go with the seventy three win season. But let's not forget. Kevin Durant was not on that team so I didn't. They didn't win the title. I don't think that that was and they also didn't win the title. I don't think that that is The greatest example. I'm GonNa go with twenty sixteen seventeen warriors that was when Durant was in his first season with the warriors and everything was new and exciting. You know as we all know. They dominated the playoffs. Your what sixteen in one and Kerr has gone on record and said that he thinks that was the best warriors team so curb as it. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA agree with him. I'm on board I. I agree with it too I'm in the Oh you have to do is look at the sixteen one record. It probably could have been sixteen and I always thought they just gave the cast one game. It's kind of a gentleman's concessions so I agree with you. There the best thing. Yeah and they had sixty seven wins and they could easily have more a lot of a lot of those losses early on when they were kind of getting a rhythm with with Katie and everything so so let's get right into it The first category coach. So we're looking at Bill Jackson. Steve Kerr Ken. Would you give the nod between those? We'll see let me first say that I think both coaches were perfectly suited for their teams and they share similarity In fact I think we're learning a lot about how Kerr has learned how to handle Draymond by watching. What filled with rob you know and the similarities look to be is that both are both coaches rather go out of their way. Spend crazy amount of time learning about their players and then they go and deal with each individual player. They're not the Kinda coach who just comes up with team rules. And they apply to everybody. They have an individualistic approach. And I thought a distinction quickly and then I'll answer your question. I've promised but Jackson figures out somebody else because their personality and then uses his own hobbies to communicate with them. You know we see with Rodman came and talked to him about like native American Arts and like Yoga and meditating. All things feel does or Kerr looks like he also learns all about his players and then uses what the players are interested in to associate with. No as far as. Who's actually a better coach? I'M GONNA say it's a push man and I. I know that that's I'm basically topping out but I still and I forgot the preface before we did this that relate to. I've already steps to the table and put my money then turned over the rules. Now you gotta pay it and I also think we should make it a on onto because it's Phil Jackson and Tex winters right and then it's per Mike Brown yeah And so I really don't like being pushed on this if I had to. I would say curb and I think to use your term recency biased Having watched him deal with all the random personalities that led to their dynasty and then folding durant in seamlessly in sixteen seventeen year in a locker room filled with with bullets personalities. In fact look at how hard it was to coach to merge with the Bulls right. We we saw almost immediately the pippen and Jordan seed him because of Krause's approach. We never saw Phil Jackson. Ultimately smooth that out there's no indications and sixteen seventeen. The locker went crazy. I'm going with Steve. Kerr and I hate you for forcing me into an answer You know I think you make good points there. But I'm GonNa go with Phil Jackson and It's nothing against you. I think Steve is phenomenal. What he does. But you have to understand that. When Steve took over the warriors he'd never coached at any level ever before I think he was anomaly well-suited given his diverse background as a GM analyst and and all these different things to step in and have a pretty smooth transition as as an NBA. Coach Phil Jackson had a lot of experience before he took over the Bulls. He coached down in Puerto. Rico which last answer mark reminded me of an assistant For the for the Bulls for several years before he took over as a coach and even winter was really the guy who designed the training off it. He was the first head coach to popularize. You have to understand that Steve Kerr. Every single day and his job as wears echoes is drawing upon things. He learned from Philip Accent every single day. I mean it's been interesting watching the last dance and seeing how Phil Jackson handled that locker handled certain certain situation and thinking that is exactly how Steve would have handled that situation like they cause the learn from Phil. They be easy going that. You need to be amenable that you need to you know coach players differently and when Phil let Dennis Rodman go to Las Vegas for that. A lot of people look at that. How could a coach players either? That's true I could totally see doing that. Exact same thing in that exact same situation because Steve Understand that to get the best out of a guy come may June. You need to give them a wish. Especially if they've proven themselves at a high level thin at so It's a tough one because I think steve is so influenced by Phil but because so was their original and because he had more experience I'm GONNA give committed still not there. I also feel like they'll probably a better game tactician than Steve. I think Steve Strength is his ability to handle locker room. I think so. Obviously great at that but probably a little bit better game situations you have and I know we gotta get to the next one but it quick retort one. The fact that Steve Kerr learn something from Phil Jackson doesn't mean the seve didn't do a better it just means that's the source of the information. I'm sure Jordan. For example learn things from players all along the way probably learned stuff from north. Carolina. Probably wouldn't stuff from people in high school but as. I'm sure you and I will agree. He's way better than the people who you learn those things from second and this brings me back to why I think it's a push really really with these rosters. It wasn't about play calling. You know it was about talent management and it was about taking personalities and making sure that they all messed. I genuinely believe both of these guys are the apex of that skill. Set there just unbelievably good at it. They both are were comparing to silverbacks. Which is why I thought it should be a push. And you're the one who forced me to give you this but Are you saying aggressive cancer? Of course you give me an answer because if you as we continue to go down this list here everything could be pushed because all these guys are operating at a level we need. We need to make some commitments here but I think no promises points there. I'm not. I don't think I'm going to criticize anyone for for taking so or worker in that an argument they're both operating a super high level. When I think we'll go down as two of the probably top ten coaches and NBA History. More of my conversation with Brain Hills Monroe after the break. I'm chronicle wine critic. Esther moberly look where all eating a lot of junk food right now. But that doesn't mean we can't pair great wines with it if you're wondering what to drink with all that Hamas popcorn lunch meat and beans. There are so many beans. Then join me on. Tuesday may twelfth at four PM for lives in class. I'll walk you through how to pair wine with whatever you've got lying around the house. There's a limited number of spots so reserve yours now at SF chronicle dot com slash membership. Dirty Frontcourt. Now just reminded Starting Frontcourt for that ninety five ninety six full team Scotty Pippin and Luc Longley and the starting frontcourt for that two thousand sixteen seventy. Moore's team with Kevin Durant triggering in Zaza Pachulia. So what are you thinking here Obviously there's among these six names there's four hall of Famers So both elite front courts in their own right. Who Do you give the not to go friend court for For the warriors It recently the focus on Kevin. Durant has not been on unbelievable skill. Set you know and I am remarkably guilty of that. I'm still all pissy that he is here and we're looking at his attitude and off the court stuff but this question doesn't ask what attitude was looking at who he was on the floor and I know who pipping is I know who Rodman what But I think just the singular talent of durant. We're we're talking top five player perhaps of all time puts them over the edge. And that's before we get to the intelligence and everything else someone like draymond. Green brings to the floor so I am going. Warriors Front Court Advantage here. Okay I'm GonNa go with the Bulls and it really comes down to that center position for me. we got emerging here. I love it Luc Longley was a really solid bona fide legitimate starting center in NBA got. You're starting with Luc. Longley on that you've got hinted Rodman and Australian who you're coming. He made the argument that Rodman and pippen versus durant and Grandma. Kind of cancel each other out. So what's the difference here and I think the difference is the same position. Longley was you know. I don't think he was stunned by any means but he was really good robot he ever. You know solid nine and five. I along with two assists per game at one point four blocks and in twenty six point five minutes south of Pachulia. You Know He. He was a good screen center he was. He was tough kind of enforcer to passer but not as skilled Longley And also at the end of his career at that time. So gotta give Longley not over over Zaza even though I love the Aga And then we're going to talk about Pippen Rodman versus and Draymond. That's tough right but drain is probably going to go down on the timeless above Scottie. Pippen but I do think this last dance documentaries reminded us off. How Truly Great Scottie? Pippen wasn't his own right He probably wasn't a legitimate top twenty top thirty player in NBA history in his own right largely because he was so good defensively he was much better defensively than Kevin ever has been. But you give me durant over pippen which only leaves Rodman over dreaming and I dream on. There's no way you think that Rodman is a better overall player than dream you know. That's actually a really tough are always guns. I actually would say that Dennis Rodman is a better player than on your look at like. You're not talking about basketball the best in NBA history at something he was the best rebounder in NBA history. Rebounding anybody sixty hours fifteen rebounds per game I I will I will. There's no question at all. But the game of basketball is not limited to just rebound completely in every other category. Better a more well rounded player. Okay that is true but I do think that Dennis. Rodman was probably a bit better defensively overall as well even though Jerry. Mom was a defensive player of the year. You're crazy to your player. The yeah what the Hell you talking about. Rodman couldn't guard the point guard position. And you couldn't guard every dream on Louie Gohmert when Pakistan Guard multiple positions. Like you do now. But if but we're going to carry these tours we're comparing us to. That's not fair that if you took dream on and put them in. Rodman's era you could do all of Rodman's defensive side if you took Rodman and put him in Draymond Zahra suddenly. You're making excuses. Like hey wait a minute. He shouldn't have to do this because he didn't before the I. I don't I think focusing on Luc Longley as it goes to these other two people at the tail wagging the dog. I think you can make arguments that Robin Greener Push. I think that pippen is slightly worse than Kevin Durant and I think the difference between Longley and Trulia and the difference between Pippen and Iran is much greater. So we'RE GONNA BE Drinking Beers. I was GONNA be Drinking Beers in finance and starting frontcourt and I wanNA little credit for bringing some f you to disarmament and I feel. We started this super like just Haffey. Now I feel like we're actually arguing. I WanNa agree with me right now. That's that's okay. It'd be Hell Borey and we were just in here. A great man but All right give us our next time. starting backward so the starting back for the Bulls Ron Harper and Michael Jordan. Vs Klay Thompson and Steph Curry That I that to me is an intriguing bay For for several reasons. Why you you you remember this bull's team probably better than I do. Obviously I watched them on this team. I literally watch them. I watch them play. The warriors are listeners. Out there how good route harper was because I think people forget Remarkably athletic solid. Guard the perfect complement to Jordan On any other team in fact before he joined the Bulls Harper was one hell of a player A cable twenty twenty three points per game for the. Yeah for the cavs to different years. Yeah there you go and so there and in fact in and I remember in one of the first couple of episodes in the last dance There's talking about Jordan's GAME WINNING SHOT AGAINST CLEVELAND. And they have a real quick Quote from Harper. Because Harper was on that Cleveland team and he was saying how pissed off he was and he didn't get to guard Jordan on that play and they put Marquis Lewis got destroyed but to answer. Your question. Harper was a killer and he did exactly what that team need once. They brought him on and gave them really reduce responsibility. Sears what we need from you. He did those things as well as anybody could have. And I'll tell you what I don't have an immediate answer to that so you haven't picked it up yet I am an over the top unabashedly pro warriors And I go way further than I need to go. So the easy answer would be. Of course there's this last rather is great is shooting back about time. But I'm also the as man Jordan was a superhero to me. You know. He wasn't a basketball player. He was more powerful than Superman. So this is not an easy thing. If I can't let me go second what's your take on this. Yeah no it's it's an interesting conversation because to me you can make the argument that Klay Thompson and Steph curry are the best starting backward in NBA history to best shooters of all time. But Michael Jordan is probably the greatest player of all time. And so you gotTa take that into account right. Michael Jordan's better than both Steph. Ankara Ron Harper. Is You know I in? His prime was an all star player but not suffer or or clay. So you know honestly I'm Gonna I'm GonNa lean toward the wars on this and it's it's hard to to pick anyone over Michael Jordan but it's just the combined greatness of staffing clay and how well they played together how they perfectly complemented each other. I mean there's the greatest shooters of all time. I think they're both top. You know. Play a top fifty player of all time. Ron Harper. As good of a players he was. He's not close to that as Chalon. So I have to give the warriors the not that I like that. I'm GonNa Follow your lead and I'm GonNa give myself an excuse for it. Let's assume for the purposes of this conversation at least for For this particular distinction that we're playing with today's NBA right and so outside. Shooting spacing movement is more important than anything else on the side of the ball. If that's true then of course it's this last. I you know I mean Harper Jordan unbelievable but their skill set was designed to succeed in their era. And so if we're doing now and kind of cheating but that's never stopped him before splash mentors. Yeah I if like sacrilege to anyone over 'em this is a you know a team sport and let backwards or to people so if you have a backwards looking question. I know we're running short on time but I really want your your opinion on it Because I'm GonNa Steal you and I'm GonNa have you on on our show soon and I'll give you a telegraph. Were the questions I was GonNa ask you if so let me give you. Three players. Assume those three players play their entire career with the slash brothers which of these three players win the most titles. Dennis Rodman Charles Barkley Draymond Green. Charles Barkley I think was the best player those three whose second you know. It's mind come on. I think it's interesting all right fair enough And so the best our onto the bench So we all know that. Steve Kerr was on that bulls bench and he was probably the second best player. Coming up that bench behind Tony to coaches apple's team people forget but Kerr's one of the greatest three points years of all time Internal the kind of the top names to mention from the from Apple's Banter cuckoo coach. Steve Kerr Bill. Wittington dickey Simpkins. So name that I didn't even Dickey Simpkins. It was but you know he got meaningful minutes on that team He may have been a former warrior. Somebody looked that up. I think after his stint with the Bulls he may have spent like a half a season or something somewhere golden state. I probably was 'cause you're your memory of that is just savant. Like yeah actually was a former royal. He played one season with the warriors history with the Bulls and then went back to those two years. Yeah we had a couple of people like that like Jason Caffey inquiry blunt. I remember Corey Just because I liked his last name so much maybe smile every time. I'm impressed that you knew that But and then the warriors been Sandra Dollars Livingston David West. And then you know you of take your pick of the rest of the McKee and Clark Patrick mccaw So hearing those names where we land. If you'd asked me this before I watched the highlights of coup coach and the last thing the last dance. I would've told you the warriors But now that I've been reminded of hope of WHO Tony was and even more specifically the Tony shows up and gets his ass torched in the ninety two Olympics Jordan and Pippen in the first game they play and then they see each other again after he's been as this serrated and instead of laying down he has this huge show and it reminded me of just how good coach was and what kind of a score. He was on the other side of that. I mean hundred right right. Andre is the quintessential Lynch Pin and the reason. I mean what what makes it kind of difficult? Is that really? Andre wasn't a bench guy. We consider the death lineup as should have been you their main approach that allows me to cheat and I would say I would say. Coup coach led bulls bench. But if we're including Andrei As a member of the bench and I guess we happy since he was the sixth man and given David West was both mentally and physically and because I picked the one when every other thing here I'll stick with the warriors. Come on what. You're spending okay I'm noticing a theme here. Oh Hey this is a tough one for me but the reality is that that warriors been wasn't that great It just was a fast that it was. It was very underwhelming at times for a large amount doherty of the season. Obviously they had Shaun Livingston who was very helpful piece and Andrea dollar after the ad. It really falls off for me. And I think the depth of that bulls pinch they they got. They got helpful contributions throughout that entire Austria. Different at different periods. And I think Steve Kerr is one of the greatest shooters of all time and obviously was known to hit clutch shots. Tony Coach. I think and Kinda discusses very underrated. I think he had his whole career stateside. Could've been you know. Multi Time All star You know could have been you know considered one of the greatest European born players in NBA. History I think he was that kind of talent. He was so good in in Europe for for so long before he came over And then you know some of these other guys that we might not even remember now but they they were helpful at times guys like Randy. Brown Winnington had his moments John Salley was it good player in the League so I forgot to. That's right. Jason Coffee Got Kaley James Edwards So I'm going to get the nine to those bench which is which is hard. But I really feel like outside of Andre and Sean. There wasn't there wasn't there wasn't a lot to the wires I mean. Look at the interesting thing about the warriors if you look at their helpful bench pieces that I've gone on to play elsewhere. None of them have done anything. Ryan Clark not in the League anymore. Patrick mccaw hasn't really done anything in Toronto Brandon Rice spades Bosa all those guys were obsolete within a year or two after leaving the warriors. I think it speaks more to the worst system than their actual abilities. So that's another reason why I'm GonNa go with the bills fair enough I see now that I've established the steamer. I'm going to wear all across the board. I can't switch it up. But let's just say compelling points okay so Let's I'm worried that this is going to end up being even an even score here in which case we would need a tiebreaker. But I'M GONNA I'M GONNA add up to you to district out for or for coast. Bramlett for I went Jackson or starting frontcourt. I I want Bulls Bram went warriors starting backcourt Warriors Ram went warriors star Bench I WANT FOOLS. Ranna worse so just to recap here. Bramlett worrisome. Things will put the pattern here. A gave you gave you actual answers. It's not like I was just like Golden State and then stops. I mean there is some justification. I'm drinking the KOOL aid. But I'm making the kool-aid before I drink it so I just sort of a little credit. Yeah and but because we're every single category and I went I wouldn't worry about one and a half to give it to the warriors by one point. What if they play? Give it to me likely. And let's let's actually take the floor. Who Do you think wins? That gained seven game series in the finals. Who Wins News I mean that's why we're doing this card right. I honestly think it would be the Bulls and I think If partly because of the synergy they go you know. That was the first year with the rat in the fall and there were still even though they were sixteen. No one in the playoffs. They're still you know a figuring out process and The weird thing about that so those durant warriors teams. 'cause I I felt like they never fully realize their potential because their best here was their first year which isn't a good sign. You know that'd be the first year she'd be figuring out period and then you build on it. But then the apathy set in the internal strife and turmoil set in and they just never really were able to experience their peak peak. Had the potential to be you know the best peaking NBA his modern NBA history. But the the bulls actually reach their peak. So I would go with the Bulls. I'm GONNA shock you. I agree I think they play seven games. I think the Bulls went in six. Here's why I so the cop-out easy answer is winter. They playing right what areas? And what are the rules are going to be? And the reason I think the bulls walk away from it is because the Bulls could have won in either era. It would have been tougher for them now. Because they're outside shooting hadn't necessarily been and fully developed. Pippen wasn't a great three point shooter. But that's only because they didn't ask but they had you know Jordan could shoot the three. Kerr could shoot the three coach. Because was the three. There's a chance they could steal one in this era right. And let's do it like that. You know like if doing homecourt advantage. Just they played at the Bulls place. It'd be the Bulls era at the workplace. It'd be the warriors here so I think the Bulls could steal one in the warriors area. I don't think the opposite is true. I think that if the refs were allowing the kind of physicality that was allowed in the mid nineties this warriors team would not be well suited for outside of Zaza Pachulia. We don't David West as well. They didn't have a whole lot of bruisers and so I think they get swept in the bull there and it leads to a to a four two unfortunate in Chicago. I really hope very modest and listen to this. He's GonNa hate US getting that draymond. I I was just a joke I was completely I also reinforces that. Even though the warriors one more point than the Bulls and we still ended up overall choosing the Bulls. And I think it's because you can't really break this stuff down specific categories. 'cause they're weighted differently. I mean you can't quantify the greatness that is Michael Jordan You can't quantify his unreal ability to put his team on his back in lead them to victory when they needed him to. I'm not sure that anyone on this warriors team the like that You know durant had his moments staff. That's probably one of the biggest knocks on him as he is he. He hasn't shown that clutch away. Someone like Michael Jordan has So that to me is the biggest factor. Here that probably gets. The goal is not as great as Steph. Curry is I think is going to go down as probably definitely a top ten player of all time. Maybe a top five player of all time. Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time. I let's bring it back to where we started. My boy. Michael was back the the blind security guard. The reason I say that is that was a nothing. Five second seat. There are clean for the third straight championship. Jordan is in the balls that is you know. They're playing useless. Quarters game in with zero steaks and when Michael Lesniak Beats Jordan Jordan like he would like to murder that guy like he just lost game seven of the finals. There was no distinction for short. If you were competing he needed to win. Doesn't matter if it was in quarters or the NBA finals. That kind of psychosis. The probably made a tough person. You know if I had to go grab a drink with somebody. I'm not sure Jordan would be at the top of my list but it makes them one hell of a competitor man so yeah. I think you're right. Always Fun brands yes. Thank you so much for joining me. And hopefully we can You know hopefully you're out to Alameda. Another one of those walks you know. Believe it or not listeners. We're actually beyond the podcast. So I WANNA your hundred percent I am in. The pleasure was mine and on the off chance that anybody wants to hear anymore my terrible tanks warriors huddle we gotTA PODCAST TO CONNOR. Stay safe and healthy big man. Let's let's Hang Seng. Thanks to Bram hills men for joining me on the PODCAST. Always his brand. Where's awkward is a production of the San Francisco Chronicle Support Warriors off court in the newsroom? That creates it by signing up for a chronicle membership at chronicle dot com slash pot.

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Tuesday 7/23/19 - Bull Breeder

Chicago Dog Walk

14:45 min | 1 year ago

Tuesday 7/23/19 - Bull Breeder

"All right thank today is Tuesday July twenty third Chicago Dog Walk so I'm here with Donny does we are also joined by special guests. We are with P._B._R.. Stock Contractor Chad Burger Chan. How are you great if great day to be alive so it is a great day to be life like? Can you just explain blamed people where we are right now. We're at the Daddy Amal and Cheyenne Frontier Days in Cheyenne Wyoming. This is <hes> one of the highlights of my summer to be out here in this <hes> it's greatest it's the biggest Rodeo summer Rodeo the in the country and people from I'm all over the world coming into this event tourists from I mean literally all over the world and stock contractor. Can you explain what that is because you know some of the audience might not be familiar well. I'm I'm a stock contractor. I want about three hundred Buchan bowls and we bring him do events like this all over the country <hes> p._B._R.. Were on <hes> do most televised events and just <hes> they they hire me to come in to bring great bulls and and <hes> so it's my job to make sure I got him and when you we have a great bowl once he retires you know. Does everyone want to get their hands on some of his semen so they can breed more great bowls absolutely the great bowls that you know the really stick out once <hes> people like it will buy semen out of them and and tried by interest in the bull himself and and <hes> you know when when they retire you know <hes> they these bulls get the best care in the world they get the hang out with the girls and get to eat and all they want and it's just this kind of they they retire with great just like you would when we when we decided to retire. What's the typical <hes>? How long do they ride for like? How long is their career in the P._B._R.? All depends on the ball I mean them. big-hearted strong bulls last teller nine to eleven eleven years old and some of them just get tired of it when they're seven or eight and start going back to where they <hes> don't perform at their peak so we then they go down to a minor league or something like that them kind and you're from North Dakota. How did you get into this allows born and raised in the Rodeo business in Bucking Bull business my dad's I raised them bowls in the mid sixties and <hes> you know me and my brother wrote Bulls and been around Rhode your whole life and it's something that just gets in your blood and I cared for these? These animals all time my dad had them and and you literally fall in love with these animals because they all have different personalities I mean each one's acts different. I got bulls. That'll come up to the pen and want you to scratch him and rub them and they just love it and then he got another bowl that he stands out in the corner. Don't trust you and and <hes> just just cool am was be around and and <hes> to get it out in the air. There's nothing gets treated better than a buck and ball in the P._B._R.. These Bulls get there on the high protein grain lean on on diets or exercise programs. They're they're taking care of the like no other animal <hes> like I say if I ever died in there such a thing as reincarnation I wanna come back as a T._v.. Are Bucking Bull because I know that I'm going to have the best care. That's where I wanted to go next. You know where to city guys over here. You Know Colin misconception for people like us. They think like oh bulls like you know that's not right that they're riding them this and that was actually an interesting some of the things like they're only allotted like a certain amount of time to be traveling like they gotta be gotTa. Stop state lines like there's a bunch of crazy regularly absolutely like we we go to P._B._R.'s that that are <hes> more than two thousand miles away. We'll rest ables every four or five hundred miles. They'll stay overnight. Get on the ground eat drink wink rest and go back on the train. The next day go another four or five hundred miles infants further than that they were another night rest and to get <hes> you if you want them to perform and you you have to take care of these animals to the best that you can do and the only way you do that is by taking care of them and making sure they're ready to perform. They're pretty smart too. I hear like when they show up at the arena. They know they're here to perform like do they know they're out there on the big stage absolutely these these bowls like these top bulls that during the P._B._R.. Stuff they know their job and they love their job. I've got bowls of when we load up and if they don't get to go there pacing the panzer they wanna go. I mean I it's it's amazing. How these animals love this do what they do and it's all random right? You never know no one's GonNa buck like from a kid like you could try to get their cement from the ones that are while suckers but it's just all kind of luck of the draw it don't always work you know you can have the greatest bowl in the world and and you try to Cavs out of him they don't buck and you got this other bowl that he's got really good bloodlines and he just so but he raises great cavs and you just have to find that combination and hope for the best but they don't all turn out. It's a it's an expensive hobby to raise bucking bulls but it's a lot of fun. What's what's the expenses? Into it oh my gosh it's just crazy some of these bulls <hes> you know these high dollar Bullseye by debris to and all that they can cost one hundred two hundred thousand dollars you know and and so you gotta take care of these like I said these animals <hes> mean a lot to everybody everybody. We have to take care of them so what's currently your best performing bowl like who's at the top of what I've got so many great bulls right now. I got like four of the top six bulls in the world right now. I got a bull call. The jet and I think the biggest meanest rank is bullet. He's and he's mean gene. He's big. He's got the total <hes> <hes> the total package you know and I think he's probably one of the best I got and then I got another one that smooths wreck and another one smooth operator another one sky harbor and they're all four right up there for full-year ear so if I had to guess I'd say I got pretty good shot and can you explain that a little bit because we're trying to educate people who aren't maybe familiar with the sport. What is a bull half the tutor to rise the rankings here the ball in the background right now yeah well when the bull asked to perform well because their score just like a bull rider I mean they're scored one to fifty points so like when you have a bowl of really great bowl and he marks over forty five that's a great wool and then over the year they'll average them? Forty Five Live to forty seven point scores and whoever has the highest score average at the end of the year is the Buck Mulia but I guess my main question is how does a bowl score very high like what do they do out there. You have to kick high they have to spin fast and and change directions engine and just really be ranked bull and Lockhart and harder they buck and spin faster. They spend the more points are going to be our. Let's take a break from the interview and talk about our friends at J.p Graziano J._p.. Graziano Saab's nine one restaurant off J._p.. Graziano dot com you know where to find them by. I now listen. I'm hammering home the catering today this whole week we're doing catering <hes>. Let's talk about the Antipasta trace today so these things are the show stoppers Jim would say customers you choose three means three cheese and three veggies or olives and they're all arranged on a tray for a beautiful presentation the sizes range from five to ten or fifteen to twenty people and they are made large there what Jim Calls Abon Danza. Apparently you don't listen. I'm going to tell them to listen. I'm not as Italian as Jim. <hes> that means is it abundance and he used to describe on Italian family. This is what they say. It's a large amount of food solicit. Go go in. There gets unionized catering trae. It'll be a it'll be a nice little wrinkle to your barbecue summer's almost over almost all vinyl like saying that but it's lights ally. By bringing Nice wrinkle to your Barbecue J._p.. Graziano is heading over J._p.. GRAZIANO DOT COM or J._p._R.'s channels in store at nine one restaurant off all right. Let's get back to the interview now for lunch today. I had some Rocky Mountain Oysters. <hes> I assume assume like these aren't the bulls that are getting their balls chopped off for that. Is there like a certain type of bowl that is usually raised for that is that's a that's a beef industry. We're in a buckling in the beef industry all the cavs when they're young they they <hes> gas rate them them or the rocky mountain oysters but and they're made steers what steers do they gain weight faster and they <hes> chasing around riding things and doing stuff so they just they maintain they get gentle and they they gained better all right since began that was between the Bucking Bulls and the Bulls that you see and like a like down in Mexico that are running with the bowl stuff like that well there are fighting bulls and they're mean and you know some of them will buck you know but they're just so hard to handle. Do you really don't want him around but they're just they're bred to be mean and these bowls are in the Bulls that you see here. Tonight are bred to buck. It's a whole different. I don't blame those bulls would be a mean at all because they constantly got a lot of people trying to kill him. Yeah no that's for sure you know aw I can't stress. You guys enough when I tell you if I could come back I'd WanNa be a buck P._B._R.. Just they're treated so well in another thing about these bulls we always hear the story while they gotta flank strap on and they're wrapping around their testicles and you know and I always tell people you know it's. It's really easy to figure out we don't do that. I said just do that to yourself sometime and pull the rope tight and see how you can jump on the ground and that bowl will be to realizing so that's another a common misconception that flank straps on her for guys in most of my bulls is just on their tight enough so it won't fall on okay. It's a foreign object in what they're in bulls. Feel it on. It's like tickling you under the underarms right and they're trying to kick it off so that makes him kick a little higher in bucks a little louder just because they're trying to get rid of that rope in the back okay. It's not it's not there to hurt 'em. It's not there to to wrap around their figures and all that stuff it's <hes> it's just not it's just anybody tells you that they don't know what they're talking. Talking about because <hes> and I get so tired of people saying <hes> were cruel these animals because like I said there's nothing gets better taking care of in in when you got a eighteen hundred pound bull nineteen hundred pound bull fifteen hundred pombal you got one hundred and thirty five pound guy on. 'em Who who's GonNa get hurt. It ain't going to be the bull. It's going to be the writer so if they're gonNA be mad at something they should be mad at the at the Bulls for being so big and strong and powerful we're because they're being abused. <unk> lasting that that will ever happen to a bull. What's like the number one spot where the polls retire like? Where was the retirement home for both well my retirement home for my bowls is i? I have a ranch in Oklahoma and <hes> they'll hang out there. In the winter. When it's cold up to code in the summertime when it's hot down there I bring them up North Dakota's in the cooler weather too and that gives them longevity in let them live a lot longer life just because being abused and what are they doing at the end? They're well well. They're hanging out with a bunch of girls number one. They're eating and hanging out onto passers and just they're just living out their life in a peaceful atmosphere where they get to do whatever they want to do and then a tail off with Donny's asked earlier. I've been trying to convince convinced my boss to buy you know simple seaman for at least a year now what how much you know what's the most expensive you can get and what's like <hes> you know a lower end. I guess you can buy semen out of pretty good bulls for one hundred dollars a straw but some of them really lead bowls. You might have to pay thousand twenty five hundred I draw but with the with the technology and everything we have today you can flush a cow and get ten bull calves out of one Straw. If you you know if you do know vitro and and do that kind of style who's the best <hes> bowl of all time. The Best Bowl of all time is is <hes> probably bushwacker you know he was three time world champ. <hes> got road very few times but there's a there's a handful ables that the little yellow jacket was a three time world champ <hes> you know there's just been a lot of great bulls but if I had to say the best bull it'd be bushwacker. Do you think bruiser has a chance to be the next bushwacker now hit a he's. He's not that's a different type of bruiser. Bruiser is more of friendly writer friendly bull almost davies so showy and scores so high is a great deal but as far as ranked bull bushwacker was just a lot rancor C. Chat. I try to tell him that all day yesterday we had. Some other guys in my ear saying that bruisers better than bushwacker and I told him crazy I told him you know well. I hate to say he's a great bull yeah but he's not he's not a bushwacker and he's not <hes> you know that he's not that type of Boll uh-huh hey you can't argue three time world champ who's now and he's also P._r.. Shade World Champs so he he there's probably noble noble ever GonNa do that but when if you're going to you're asking my opinion it's Bushwacker and how much bushwacker assuming afford to you know well. I don't really know what he got for but in the peak of it would have been a lot of money five ten thousand Straw but <hes> I have no clue what he's getting. No you know seems like after they retire and go away and and eight the people ain't going to give as much 'cause. It's the you know it's not in the heat of the moment when everything's happening when he's winning all these world titles and he's you know when people get excited and they just want some seamen either want to have a bushwacker cap and the longer they retired less demand demand really and is it pretty lucrative. What is the what are you win like? How much do you win? You get a percentage per gig or percentage per winner. How does like Pretty S- P._B._R.'S I get paid so much bullet to bring him here? It's it's not real lucrative but hey it's what I love to do. I <hes> I have a real job you know or by cattle and and trade cavalier and I run a lot of cattle and stuff like that. This is my passion here. This is what I want you know. I always tell people say why don't make a lot of money. So what do you do it for them. I said well what do you go fishing for how much money you make when you go hunting or fishing. You don't make no money. I said that that's what you like to do. I like the Buck Bulls. That's my I'd rather buck bulls and go fish or hunt. That's so if I can break even or make a little money. This is where I'm going to hang out on the weekends Komo Doniger anything else my final question you say when they retire. They're hanging out with a lot of girls now. By girls you mean like dairy cows No-no Rodeo cows but those that are we have <hes> cowher. That's all sold out of bucking bull great bucking bulls like I have all my great bucking bulls in the past like copperhead slinger smackdown big tax and them are all their daughters now and then now my bulls that are doing really well now get to hang out with them are then they're now. They're all saved the heifers out of out of Pearl Harbor. 'em Cannibals Awesome Chad. Thanks so much for doing this. We appreciate it. Thank you guys and I hope you can educate a lot of people <hes> how great <hes> how greatest sport we really have and and how.

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GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 648 The Bulls Clean House, Christian McCaffrey Gets Paid, and Mock Draft Season

GSMC Sports Podcast

1:39:43 hr | 4 months ago

GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 648 The Bulls Clean House, Christian McCaffrey Gets Paid, and Mock Draft Season

"This is your ultimate staffer. Everything sports the Golden state media concepts or podcast. Should I say more from the NFL MLB THE NBA MMA? It's all in here. Golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen down jumping by he. S and Z podcast network. My name is Chris Blades and before I get started today when we try mind you guys as always subscribe to the podcast. I should never miss an episode. Michelle was on top of drop our latest stuff if you could well gives a five star rating arson view very appreciated very helpful lobster like as dislike all that fun stuff and also if you're on social media we own social media find a stair twitter instagram facebook we can talk we can tap McCain debate. We can discuss and it seems like the Chicago Bulls almost bears. The Chicago Bulls will be having allowed discussions in the coming days seeing as they have finally fired. Not finally as if it's about. I'm not a fan so I've ever heard rumblings I've seen things about how garf- John Paxton Kind of run the Bulls and obscene leave had very little success outside of the envelope post Jordan years outside of a little run with their goals for a hurt Bso longtime bullish GM. Gar Forman is out among other immune amid the multitude of Front Office changes that they are currently making They fired him on Monday. After ten years in the role in two years with the team as a whole the move came after the Bulls confirmed the hiring of Nuggets general manager are tourists. Karna Silva's sounds right dish. Excuse me if I pronounced that wrong. As the Franchise Executive Vice President of basketball operations. Mvp for short which ESPN reported last week The Bulls also announced Monday. That John Paxson who was previously in that role will stay with the team in a new role of senior advised advisor basketball operations. So He's not leaving the team per se but I'll see his role. I mean you WanNa say is rolled dementia only know whenever there's serving Better turnover and people stare. Stick around you always kind of wonder how much say they're going to have with that next regime but at least in terms of title? Excuse me you won't have that Executive Vice President Title Golf woman worked tirelessly for Chicago Bulls Organization I as a scout and then as an executive team owner Jerry. Reinsdorf said in a statement. He made many significant contributions during during his time. Here and help bring them the brightest young basketball town to our team from Derrick. Rose Yokum no anti-ship Jimmy Butler. Kobe white into that. The only shadow could work this. Assiut a decent amount of young players on the team now a couple of looked good. Morrisseau later later in the season to start but again he got a better season grew on. He's been trusted. Adviser can continue with the broncos quote he had he has been a trusted adviser and frank meet over the years and on the F. Everyone I want to thank him. For his commitment to organization Gar will always be a part of our family former was named the two thousand eleven executive of the year. The bills reached the playoffs seven times during his tenure as GM Statement saying. I dislike vague in the organization normal. Typical stuff talking about the Buzzer was special place. It's hard which again makes sense if he's been with the team for so long. It's it's only reasonable that they would be a part of imams. The big part of his life was spent with the Bulls whether as a player or in a different role So yeah that's all reasonable though I from least can't believe judge. Twitter twitter is not overall is not is not everybody I should say. It's a small segment small A segment of a fan base. But from the way it sounds. It didn't seem like bulls fans were that unhappy to see him go. I'll just put it that way. I mean house we talked about. They've had they've been In Modern Times. But the whole Derrick Rose Situation. Kinda wasn't always the phrasing around it and his injury and kind of the way that was handled wasn't always great from outside looking in again not a bulls fan. So I don't know if I know if you know any wolves fans they can probably tell you how much worse it was than what I can even remember from that time period but then also you had the after that you had the Jimmy Butler Air. Sort of which then. They traded him Africa why but the day trade him and I was. No I think he's trainer. Jim Buzz old or not. Old Current trainer had allowed things to say about the organization when he was traded. The nausea wants Former was relieved of his duties. So I was kind of funny No no resentment there. number yes and you got that then you had A major brought them. Zach Levine. Which is good because he's actually good Then you know you got the draft day marketing which looked all right but then has riley panned out his heart. A lot and hasn't really. His game has grown as much. They would like draft Junior who might seem like it'd be useful piece in the future but right now two years in hadn't really consistently shown great things. Outta quarter they traded for. It was good when he was healthy. But then he'd bazeley basically barely played this year says that they are Kobe. Wide Lay said he was He was a rookie. It's not surprised. He struggled a little bit earning season but then like I said as the year went on he allied better so that looks like at least decent. Pick then you've got other pets. They've had Chris Don now with that. One didn't work out good mobile. They traded for him to and that really hasn't worked out. You Still Got Jim. Boylan technically there as a coach. I don't think you'll be there for long. But yet he was one that his issues with the players. Mainly Zach Levine. And when you have an issue with your star Jang things go well for you Beer so Back to the Bulls side of thing. Well the Organization for an office side of things Connor Silva's was forming introduce bibles in zoom conference. Call on Monday said it. It became apparent after consideration in conversation that he added different philosophies than forming who to prevent them from moving forward going to serve said. Those decisions are never easy but he but that he's hired to effect change on the corn situation. Obviously I mean him being hired in keeping. Everybody would kind of seem counterproductive so I would imagine Garforth once he heard of the hiring he kind of figured his at least a tablet numbered Omnia house he. He's no longer there. The timing of the higher was called into question with the league currently on hiatus because the Pandemic Michael Dubose President Chief Operating Officer said. The downtime could be positive for karnal salvos in some ways that gives them a better opportunity. Talk to people and really get to know the organization which actually isn't a bad point can spend hours and hours on the phone coach boiling. He can talk to all. The scouts can have very in depth conversation with the players. I mean there's nothing really else from For any of them to do this kind of scout for the draft but if that gets pushed back it's like I mean you should still be scouting You should just not do any but again not as pressing as it would be If the season were operating under normal circumstances because normally after he's players often they're gone Ron's continued This actually allows him to get as much information as you can. So then when we start back up it seems so. I look at it actually as an opportunity and that's why we moved cars replace Paxton. Who held the title with the Bulls who held the title with the Bulls Organization since two thousand three and GM until form was hiding in two thousand nine? I did not know John. Paxson was in the Front Office for that long. Goodness that's Adam Dad's not a good thing. I'll be so console will be in charge of keeping the front office in hiring and GM trying to get the bulls back into contention despite being limited to what he can do. He affirmed that the Bulls will hire J. Depot from the New Orleans New Orleans. Pelicans excuse me to serve as assistant. Gm and former feeding sounds assist GM PAT Commie in some capacity apparently He's also line deficit. Vm candidates Including including several systems from Denver Philadelphia Clippers Clippers end the Orlando Magic among others. And there's apparently no timetable for timing of GM which I mean in fairness makes lot of sense seeing as there's no Russia's we only know one is when any sports play at all so you don't have to rush into any decisions and also I guess also give him time to decide WHO's GonNa do. A boiling analyzers was coaching staff. Already evaluated them. I mean they they you know they were bad this year last year. I don't know how boiling keeps his job. Especially again the a lot of players Muzak Levin. Don't really like them. It doesn't seem like again Outside looking in so I don't see how it worked but you never know Lia the bullish on the new guy so we'll see if it can be successful ABC's coming from Denver which was had lost. Who SAYS THEY DID? They WanNa Championship. No but they were able to gather a lot of young town. Mix in a couple of veterans here and there Opposition themselves to get to the playoffs the year after year. Which has asked you what the Bulls are hoping for to be able to. Just get to the planet and be relevant and also potentially maybe bring some free agents their guy. No that's been the one of the biggest things ready for major market very having gallon any big time free agents since Jordan retired if I remember correctly because I've maybe maybe some of the Earth Thousands. I mean I guess it depends on what you've been paying a lot of money for guy does not qualify as a big free agent signing to me again that one summer the cab jumped up in timofey miles golf and like Yamashina like over fifteen sixty million dollars a year. That's big money but again that's not miss. Abby big sign if that makes sense So yes simone. Shogo for as big as he's kind of the next in terms of they've been poorly run in st has the want to cover their their though. Goethe Pick other places to go when the time comes in the national press. They're begging to get traded there either because again they didn't have the pieces in place to want to be around. This will mainly after they traded. Jimmy maybe people would wanNA play Jimmy. But then they traded him and then it was like what they had left really wasn't conducive to winning and a lot of guys. I WANNA get treated their arm. Bad TEAMS THEY WANNA trade to good teams and those then have that infrastructure in place. So now they're taking the steps north of hopefully do that. I mean again. You don't really know and we WANNA know until the copiers online 'cause I doubt the Bulls are just magically be better next year but eventually see how this guy tries to what his vision for. The team isn't housing a shape and also how we can try to remake the idea of Bulls basketball bowls basketball with MD dominated the nineties. But since then it's been Kinda hitter missing in it's imagined. She is one of the biggest cities in the country. So you would want most Speaking you want your big city teams to do welcome the better for the League But the boys have been kind of hit or miss like they they might make. The playoffs might do Eastern Conference finals. But I'm Bambi method of finals. Correct me if I'm wrong but they haven't been back to the NBA. Finals insured and Beat the jazz at Ninety Eight. And they ray and like I said they had the couple. The one chance with With Derrick rose year but outside of that we haven't even gotten that close Samantha Eastern Conference. Semis a couple of times from about on. They've made another Eastern Conference finals appearance since then and if they have obviously they didn't make it to the finals. So yeah there. We will be interesting to see how he can try to revive Chicago basketball because a lot of great people that come through related like the thing was the Oakland coordinates. Give you like a bunch of people from there. They had like D. Wade candace Parker in Isaiah. Thomas and I think of Cappon dex there as a couple of. There's been a lot of an Davis's from the wrong thing. He was on there. They have a lot of people a lot of good players that have come through the city and the last ten years or so. They got a lot of people you would think would want to go there to play but it just hasn't happened yet and hopefully this. Can this be jump? Start to get that back in and get them back into more prominence nationally as we've kind of been an afterthought because they haven't been that good Like they've had good people exactly being was he was he Saturday so he could have been all star any would have been Hutton. Had the team been better team was negative again whether they're hiring a new VP and GM. So again it's not surprising but yeah we'll see what What he can do in order to help fix up the Bulls and yeah. We'll do they said we'll see how it goes. He would see who the GM Zaid Iras Ozzy if one at all if and when that happens more hobby on here to discuss it But you know we'll just we'll I guess again. We won't know until Games are played in the leaks up elephants stuff but I guess for now just interesting to see what reports come down. By the coach they fire the coach and then also was coming about. What if any players are untouchable and theories active? You should be but May this guy wants to start fresh and he doesn't care about Kobe? White doesn't care. Marketing doesn't care about When Carter June doesn't care what is active in whoever he's like everybody's available socio maybe going to maybe like the peace. They haven't he's trying to build around it. I don't know well like I said we'll be vision. More almost like free stuff goes down but for time being we will sit and wait via good for a gift for him. It's a good to get a step up to the nuggets and see if he can make his own footprint within the League after we come back. We're GONNA talk about a man who just got paid and not myself or any of you out there who just got your stimulus checks Sued if you did I did not get on the waiting on that I will be expecting it But now of running back in the league just got paid one of the best friend Becky Lee just got paid and there's a lot of conflicting opinions about whether he should or should not have gone the money that he did. GonNa talk about who that is about. How much was four because it was quite a large amount and also if I think you should have gotten paid. Maybe they should maybe team. She decided to move in a different direction. I don't know we'll talk about all that rap break so stay tuned. Are you looking for the very best? Nfl and college football podcast then check out the GSM see football. Podcast get the latest football. 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With four and three yards from scrimmage almost two thousand four hundred and told touchdowns with nineteen is also saying consecutive year with at least a thousand yards rushing and at least one hundred receptions make him the first player in NFL history to do such a thing. He was a pro bowler first team all pro he. He's GonNa turn twenty four this summer so we still pretty young and the panthers rewarded him for all his hard work with a contract. Extension worth a reported sixty four four years worth a reported sixty four million dollars being the highest paid running back in history on a per year basis is with the sixteen though he says two years found his night including the fifth year option as this year next year so left on his deal so that was probably the and all these centuries. They've really not what they say. They are generally speaking if you sign Geyer now. He's telling on free agency if your earlier like they did with this then. The next two years aren't nearly at that same price tags on the average over. The next six years is isn't as bad. We cap wise be He deserved it and he got paid But that doesn't mean everyone believes that As I said last year I mean the you could do. There was a healthy very healthy twitter debate about it When it happened now from the playoffs all players want everybody get paid and especially guys like America Maradavic Code Saquon Barkley. All those big time running backs. I haven't gotten paid yet and WHO ARE COMING. Up to get paid. Were very happy to hear this news. Because now them in their agents have a benchmark number two set in terms of price though in fairness Guys done what McCaffrey's done so there is that you could. It's like as like whenever Mahomes The next quarterback can't I want more than homes? You haven't done is done. But he's all right so then when I fall under that even getting paid a lot either next fall under that then it works. I mean with in Mohme's aside Muslim positions. You the next the next I appear to the guy gets highs paint. I know Zeke Zeke. Last year got six year. What in ninety million dollars stanchion? Then McCaffrey was not necessarily the first step getting him an Chimera and cook wrong same draft class. I believe yeah you every sure in that I think what twenty seventeen. Yes only seventeen. So they're all coming up slow they're all heading to fourth year. Can All sign extension If they so choose though he adds the fifth year offers. I it gives the More wiggle room but yes and you got you got them coming up like I said. Saquon and the next offseason. After his third year he'll be eligible for extension And I don't Ns war. Against Assuming Dave Evans there we might not be independent of the season goes but he is there I mean. He said that he was a hall of fame level town. And if that is to be the case than you would think you pay that I especially if he performs now he had loved them down this year but that was a little bit due to the injuries and stuff rookie year. He was great and I guess we'll see what happened with him. This coming season obviously if there is a again if there is include on but yes so they're happy but like I said there are many people who were against the move. Just because I won't like I said some reasons which will get into I was people was his volume. Ozzy people Relatively right we believe that Running back as a position that you can that kind of wears on your body quicker. Lay most running backs at post post twenty seven twenty eight almost all go downhill though again. He's not there yet but he's getting a lot of by monopoly gal volume in college as well though you want to save three years. That's that's probably that helps them out a little bit. But last year he had formed in three touches. And while he's unweildy elected received Touches his things he's never again considering they're only forty four. Four hundred plus seasons in the history of the League only nine players have ever received foreign processes more than once and only five have done it more than twice the most recent player than most before hundred touch seasons with lt the Damian Thomson in his last four hundred touch campaign came in two thousand six and I guess if you're betting on him being a player that can handle that sort of workload. It's probably unlikely though again. It's not impossible because he's the guy I think I thought I saw some. I think some was added. Africa which draft analyst by someone's tweeting out or they were talking about like they report from the two thousand seventeen. They've said that he could in the first second round. If you were just listed as slough receiving I'd even as a running back. He went number eight to the panthers as running back. So you'd have to have regardless but if you just a slap missy restore could have been drafted pretty high. How good his receiving ability was and now she's been on display since he got into the League so that's not all that surprising but at the same time. It's Jeremy speaking. It's not realistic to expect a guy to be that big of that. Bigger part of your offense year after year after year. System doesn't seem sustainable. But also you paying him like that and if you're going to utilize them like then to make sense right in pay but if you utilize that then there's always at least that he'll he'll wear down quicker and then now you can't use them anymore so that's fair but again that's something. I'd I worry about right now. And even Receivability of aside which is again. He's almost in a League of his own in the league. He's still running the voice still great. He is Among the forty five running backs who received at least one hundred carries who received sounded cares last year. His four point eight yards per carry average of yards per carry average. He sees me ranked eighth. He's also probably the best Stephen Back. Twenty four more catches in the necklaces back and among the thirteen quarterlies. Fifty passageway nineteen his yards per reception average rank fifth. He was the only player to rank in the top ten yards per carry and top five yards perception. Ask such his efficiency for a high player. Seat is it will was slash is seen in the off the charts He averaged almost six hundred hundred six yards per touch at five point nine four which ranked fifth among the group. Bro Fifty one run by at least one hundred touches. He was one of just twenty seven running backs with two hundred touches more a group which he is yards per touch every second mind only also. I mean yeah. 'cause I guess let's just look at the look at the list. So's one off the neck lower than of Christian McCaffrey was mile. Sanders did not know that shot and Their Economy Davin Cook Aaron Jones Mark Ingram. Nick Saquon Amcham MARANDA that top. Ten so you can see. He's elite But again is that worth paying him. Sixteen million per year some would say now like last year. I mean take for example The charges employed Melvin Gordon and that was four hundred twenty eight touches combined resulted in two almost two hundred twenty five hundred total yards. And and would they. I mean the charges the willing. Let him walk. Melvin that Melva Gordon that his last year so they could add necker on much. Cheaper deal Look at the look at the four nine hours Most Democrats They had four hundred fifty one touches in two thousand four hundred nineteen yards. And you'll get those three guys for six hundred wool and yet may jerk mckinney. So they pay big money for him biggest money for running back for him. Seven Coleman but ozzy breed in most are making that much money. So it's like. Would you rather have those three? We'll just Christian McCaffrey. And this is why I think the discussions little inch not interesting. We'll just Affair were is just because you draft the Guy Right. You hope he's really good evening on top ten you hope. He's one of the messages position. He is the position. He has a great season. Your team sorry. This is not his fault but he's he's great. He's done everything he wanted to do. Put up numbers all pro pro bowl us stuff then against the pain. You'RE NOT GONNA pay like I'm just saying what kind of message does especially for a new team new coach coming in new offense coordinator coming in all that stuff. Why would you risk alienating your players before they even on your side has been in games played yet? You haven't even gone to practice or training camp nothing with any of these guys. So if you if they see a Guy Chris McCaffrey everything he's supposed to do and not get paid. Then what's the likelihood? Any of us are going to get paid. Because very few people in the League or better at what they do in Christian McCaffrey and again. It's allow money for running by Blah Blah Blah. Whatever that's fair but a part of I mean as least in sports apart the contract is what have you done as well as what you could do for me so I mean maybe maybe that's fair. You should look at it like that. For What have you done But again if if I've used put together he sees them. We got a thousand yards rushing and receiving over a hundred catches. How how could I NOT REWARD? You someway again. Especially if I'm a new coach coming in what is that. A bad would have set a bad precedent around the team in my personal things. That's why I don't know. What do you expect the panthers do? He's Gonna I remember I shall someone was saying that they should trade him when I was like what is I think it was. Pf often I've I've mentioned. Pf Townsend's podcast. If you follow football you know who they are. Pro Football Focus but little to analytical analytically driven for me. 'cause I remember they would. We will talk about some drafts in the hysteria behind it a little bit late in the pocket remember they were saying that if chased on the mortgage is they should take henry rugs or Because he plays like a more viable position. Or something. As if a the giants. Don't have no pass rush be they. Don't already have three Saab receivers. I mean they just think pre if I've also said that Miles Goldie is more valuable than myles Garrett so that's the case then why you need to draft another running back at four another receiver I four and then also number three Nora C. Forever will listen to sex But like they don't need a often ally now so I mean if you're not gonNA take Amenabar candidate knows as a main because station is going to be. There would have changed was there. They're taking him. That's the no doubt about that They don't take him. I think they would take a Lineman at four. Thirty four is a little high for after last but she in recent years but again they need to protect. Johm somehow someway and Johnny on nate solder again even though they kind of have to is not necessarily ideal so you would want to get some protection for that or maybe someone to compete with him. Patrolling potentially take his place so licensing appropriate. If I was a little crazy but I think they were. One of the wounded advocating for the pants to trade for trade him. And I'm like all right. Maybe like what? What are you getting back for him? Make WHO's no intriguingly? Three first round picks for a running back. That's not happening so I'd best. You're getting a first round. Pick back maybe another. Pick your there and you already took him in. The first round picks not even like really lays not. Here upgrade is not huge draft in the fourth round you're fading first-round platforms like all right. That's a good time investment if you're just treating for what you drafted him. Then what's the point? Now you're GONNA have to replace all that it was. It was weird. I don't I mean obviously I know running back in. It's like people were scared because like oh dog early and like L. People thinks he's GonNa fall off or like whatever and I'm like all right todd. Gurley had injury has three rock news in Georgia. I don't think I knew he had. He had arthritis in his knees at the time of the deal. He wouldn't have been signed. But McCaffrey has none of those issues as this moment again. That doesn't mean he can't get hurt next season but everybody can get next season. I've talked about injuries account of luck and pro sports and I put too much stock in that per se. Surprised that so many people were down on just because again I understand so it's a running back but if you're good you're good. You should be paid like you're good. I mean that is one of the top running backs as Russia. And he's arguing atop running minorities the top running back receiver. So I mean I mean a market. What is it five years one hundred million then again all right. He plays receiver cool. That's fine but it's now a McCaffrey. Just runs the ball I. He does ladder receiving too. So it's like you win known. Be Mad if you paid receiver sixteen million dollars a year but now compared guy that can do that not at the same level but can do that and also run the ball when we need him too and just like you pay you you paying for services and he's doing multiple different services are he can get paid a little bit more. It seems only logical Vesey. When he's really good at it up see out is that is a shame that running back to treated this way. It really is but it's just like I guess it just comes into territory. Unfortunately but yes all right. I'm good at my job but national give award for this position I apply. That seems kind of backwards. I mean maybe it doesn't work out for the panthers who knows we won't know until next year or a couple of years down the line if if it if it if it was the best decision for them. I mean at the time being. I don't know what other option must. They're going to draft a running back whether picks sackler sex or whatever they need. We have teddy but like they may want to draft a quarterback department need To defensive line help maybe a linebacker if this is false. Replace Keith Li. Like they have maybe a corner like they have. They have their own things to worry about. They did not need to have to find a running back and again. Run a bathroom as you can find them anywhere Blah cool. I get that But L. L. shoes offense had a really good running back last year. In Clyde Edwards Allaire Guide visit layer knows. Name is not Christian. Mccaffrey so imagine Christian. Mccaffrey could look like in the shoe. Softens giving us down after Marceca or just in Jefferson on that roster currenly or Joe Borough throwing the ball for that matter but you got to laugh. Air was player. I think they can do a lot for Christian McCaffrey again. We'll wait and see. I'm happy for him. Happy Panama's look happy to see people get their money no matter position. They play Yard Was that's GonNa hit on the running backs but I'm just saying if guys good pay him. Seems simple enough to me but yeah so after we come back when you discuss the MLB. And they're fighting corona virus. I mean they're not playing games growing but they're fighting it in a very different way than a canola donate money or donate meal or something. But they do something a little bit different Players and some teams ECODIESEL. Talk what that is and how it all work and when I think about it rafters break so stay tuned. 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Thousand people for chronic is antibodies and should offer research better sense of how widespread disease is in major metropolitan areas across the United States. Although doctors cautioned the data gathered is nice but the to hasten the Games return study which is being run by Stanford University. Usc and the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory on will use test case that draw blood via pinprick and offer results within ten minutes already. Injury test will detect the prevalence of IBM an antibody produced relatively early in those who have been affected with. Cova nineteen and I I. MVP g second form. The doctors said last long. After the infection happens posits would confirm a person dating fact contract grown of is even if he or she was a symptomatic. The goal is to get a better sense of the viruses. True infection rate by rosie nationwide's sample speed with which MLB coordinator logistics in insurance patients from the bites. The wide range of people goon players office Africa session workers and others made the right choice for his daddy cool into doctors running. It is the first study of national scope where we're going to get a read. A large number of communities throughout the United States to understand how censored the spread of the virus has been said. A doctor of will instead of professor of medicine at Stanford University who will assess the data gathered this weekend right. A Peer Review paper hopes to publish his areas. Next week this will be the very first of those why emily versus other employers. I've reached out till I was but it'll be moved by far the fastest. They been enormously cooperative and flexible. Were trying to set up a scientific study. That would normally take years to set up in his going to be a matter of weeks. The antibody test which the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory or SM Our T. l. e. for short security mid-march before they were FDA approved are not similar to the peace PR TESTS THAT DETECT ACT OF COVA. Nineteen are needed for those who fear infected with the disease and hospital personnel. The antibody test which doctors hope will become more probably in the coming weeks further. Study can be done by participants at home or at a test run. Our team metastasized to say sudafed research in epidemiological purposes alongside the Embassy in which twenty seven of thirty teams expect Stanford University already antibody testing programs in to California counties to gather more data. These tests are absolutely not getting redirected firm any kind of frontline testing who the president of SM Rt. Dr Daniel The said WHO's working with the sports on anti-doping testing The League apparently was very happy to leap at the opportunity to price in the study. And the also the doctor said it would also not serving the proxy for baseball ability to to play and be did not partner with us for any selfish reason to get their sport back sooner. They jumped in for public health policy. That was their intention in their only intention though see. I don't imagine they would be mad. If there's work started up sooner rather than later the I would say I don't know if they would do it. Just what have sole purpose seemed a little disingenuous. I would never say that Who said regathered results of the tasks which have been attributed to individuals throughout the game and are taken by some on Wednesday and Thursday. I guess this was the last week. Oh we'll be okay. No gabbing on Wednesday and Thursday. Legislators meeting since There's also be uploaded along with the photograph of the test itself that allows medical personnel to verify results test look similar to a pregnancy test with king positive for antibodies. That were just depends also have been asked to take a survey This at answering specific questions according to a copy of the study protocol team by ESPN. Don't be Pacers Jason's wherever stating jessop wrapped his speed if they want to do so. According to sources some teams have offered in eighteen tests all their players whereas others haven't Mea so I saw that one has got that was pretty cool. salute for them will be for being again up the announced the only to step up. Because maybe these were willing to this as well but as being the most widespread in stepping up because now in theory we should be able to have a better idea of how we can detect this disease grossly with the with any new disease with a new testing implement. You don't know how it's GonNa work. It only know how to properly tests board what the best ways are different issue can do whether you can do saliva whether you can do here where they can do blood. Whether you've gotta stick thing knows and like do the the swab thing like maybe we don't exactly know what the best course of action per se but with that there's always says from proven Opportunities I salute the LB for Taking part in this opportunity because again though this is not the plan this will lease the biggest thing for the ability of starts force backup They're just start anything. Backup policy sports all come later on. Donald allowed to do other things but to be stopped. Any start anything back. Up is quick easy and widespread testing. Actually a vaccine movie nights. But that's GONNA take a while to develop so quick easy and widespread testing the most reasonable solution or to get things back closer to normal as the sounds of things is probably going to be a second wave at least of this. I'm not going to be right after we things yet. Oakland backup or maybe later in the year own happy but the the biggest thing. And I'll see who biggish now just like the ability to get tested ozzy. Think teams in that teams States and things like that are getting better and getting more tests getting better conducting the tasks better remain resulted Tesla. So things are are easier now than they were a month ago I would say but at the same time again everything. Improved in this is like This part of that. There's a way you can get test results back in ten minutes and you'll know for certain whether or not somebody has ancestors were headed than I don't see House a downside to that again when if it goes back around again the ability to test people quickly and easily is going to as going to save lives. And that's why I also like I said this what's important to make sure that you don't open up to because if you get things back to normal is already depending on where you live. There's already been a lot of positive tests in hospitalization them stuff with With what we have now again our testing capacity and ability may not be as good as it will be in a month or two months from now but at the same time for our testing. But he's better but then there's five times more people need to get tested because everybody's back out and unhealthy Battery defeats the whole purpose. When you do you want to be able to make sure everybody that needs to get tested can get tested. So that's like the biggest thing. There's a test that can be done all right. That's great but if you open the country back too soon then now use a bunch of people. I need to get tested. That may be still can't get too many people now. I assist the that'd be the one fear running into but again if there's better tests or different tests or different types of tests or whatever that house who make things a lot easier for that But yeah so now looks that will be in. Their player is employers. Would ever participate in the study because again it allows us to learn more about the disease which is which is one of the more important things have this time especially you know whatever we can about the disease that we can attack of the best way to handle it the best that we can also in theory. This could potentially get sports back. They know this test exists in case they need to test people want sports. But I think there's going to be offense But if they decided sports his back which maybe I'll get into that on the subsoil with different episode. If it if it comes up I think I think Gina Smith really enough. That was talking about this but I like the idea that it's safe is not safe for fancy Congress but it is safe for. Players does seem kind of odd is because again they're in close proximity on the field you would be in the stands so that is a very fair point. I hadn't thought of Lousy. We always knew that Switzerland comeback without fans but just the kicking behind. Oh it's how is it safe for players of? It's not safe for fans to be? That close together again is more of them. But I thought that was kind of interesting concept Just because it's a very good point like if if fans can be that close together. Normal people came back close together. Wildwood athletes be allowed to be that close together because one person has it. Now you have one hundred people could be infected between both teams and then that didn't include Coaching Staff Training Staff Front Office. People as in the locker room reporters. What have you? There's actually a very fair point. Maybe I'll get into on different PODCASTS. But I mean different pockets episode. But you know like shout them be. They've been pretty practice and talked about. I think it was the last episode but it was like Absolutely go about their play on how they how they wanted to get the Hollywood get. The League started back if they were to do that. really been on top of this more or less. I mean Ozzy Jonathan Big Labor. They were first ones and be on top. They weren't playing it But David of this They've been trying to take all necessary steps to get things back in order So yeah this is just another step in that direction. Hopefully like I said hopefully it'll give researchers and scientists in the doctors in everyone is going through. The data necessarily think the results that they need and there was one or two. Have a better idea of how to handle this disease in the coming days weeks months maybe even longer than that if if they stand at the two thousand twenty one in which I know people say some people don't take such we know these things Leah. Japan will be there that are help could very well save lives in the meat in the not so distant future signed up to them after this next we're GONNA come back to discuss The NFL being virtual just like I mean there are having the virtual dafter we could maybe into a little bit more on the next segment but I mean graduations had done virtually schools done virtually enamel. She were working from home. They gained their office. People are having Virgil happy hours in all these different other types of things. Everything's virtual so it makes sense that the NFL season is GonNa be Virgil. So let's talk about what that means. What the rules and regulations are had working. How I think it's probably best case the best Whoever is is probably the best for the League? In in the meantime say can get the word out but for the meantime just because until we have a better idea of how to handle this. We can't really gather together. So yeah we're Scott's all that rafters break so stay right there. 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April twenty third to the twenty fifth was the first major. Nfl event to go online now traditional workout training programs are filed the suit the league the NFL player Agreed to the virtual off off season training program which will extend stand from April twentieth to May Fifteenth in a memo sent to all thirty two franchises. It was specified zone by Aside DOT COM Look for yourself Again other websites to on business Dot Com all other juice Dietz and a memo to all thirty two franchises. It was specified. That teams can hold over two sessions for no more than four hours per day for days per week waited activities include classroom instruction workouts in non football educational programs on ritual basis. Saxony's also have time restraints canal. See Two of the four lauded hours. It must be scheduled between eleven. Am Three PM Eastern Standard Time. It is is at the discretion of the recession and the players involved when the training will commence aspirin conversation for the virtual period veterans who received a minimum of two hundred thirty five dollars per day. Which is patience rain? Image will see a hundred and thirty five dollars in the rookie football development program. Excuse me even then for drafted. The original date was an important factor. In in relation to the virtual season because rookies and undrafted free agents. Who are signed will know their destination than those camera taken. The virtual off-season programs immediately to draft him delayed as I've been saying it's more likely they would have had it wouldn't make a very to virtual format anyway. Rookies would subsequently have been frode laid in in a year. Where it's already worth already. Were will already be harder for them to have an impact because of the absence of on field work three days after the closure the virtual training program on May eighteenth. Each team may choose continue. It's all mine off season workout program or convert to on field format if him scillies are open at that time. However unless there's relaxed relaxation distancing policies across all states housing and for franchises would have found that in the big states California New York August attentively. The your teams well no buffalo but like theme your team's Playing Jersey so weird though whatever So yeah unless there's a unanimous selection of socialist policies across all states housing and for franchises. None of thirty teams can begin on field work additionally every offseason workout program virtual in otherwise must be completed by June twenty sixth for the virtual period. The He's also conduct individual players who I would necessarily workout equipment. Each has available or they may send necessary tools or monitoring devices worth up to fifteen hundred dollars excluding shipping costs to each player. They also descended a fifteen hundred dollar. Check each individual player to purchase their own equipment and monitoring devices for the five franchises. The new head coaches the panthers Brown's cowboy giants and Washington who were subject who was supposed to begin offseason programs. We early on April six. They will get that time back with the voluntary veteran minicamp on the back end supposedly. But yeah so that's Oliver Season's GonNa work The one thing I will say is that at least it's all fair because if they didn't have this and it was like certain certain things. I know what was it? I think in Florida's Day. They said like sports central jobs like technically like the NBA construct back up and with no fans. I believe in Florida which made Incheon. And it won't but like it could get not every state laws on not now's emails but has has the same beliefs on the idea of distancing so it would have been unfair certain states. You can do things while certain. Say she can't and again so just now they have one I guess one set of uniform rules for all thirty two teams so no one really has an advantage disadvantage when it comes to these. Virtual Aussies programs are going to start the same. There are all going to end on the same date. They're all gonna you off the same amount of time to do things within your day. You obviously Mata Days in which you can work so a lot of the worry that O- someone maybe video take advantage of. This should be alleviated like that shouldn't happen again. That doesn't mean people aren't GonNa go Arkham. Try to skirt around the rules but in theory that shouldn't be a big issue for them and thereby should be an verizon a level playing field them. It makes it fair doesn't you can't. You can't combine like Oh. This person had this unfair. Bandra that unfair advantage. Everybody's everybody has filed same rules. And even if after this night certain states are relaxing. Their their their Their social justice policies. You needed tap in all states that house the NFL teams for odd for on people to do it. So if thirty one states do it in the last eight that's a California Texas New Jersey No Ohio wherever Wisconsin. By if there's one of those days doesn't isn't now now we're so close and things down the no one can do it so again another I I do respect the NFL for at least trying to keep things as fair as possible if everybody has fallen same rules regulations and guidelines then knowing that unfair advantage which again makes it more fair for everybody involved. So let's go but I mean I mean obviously not the same. You can't do anything on the field stuff which you can build that chemistry or anything like that which is probably going to be the biggest thing especially for these teams will I mean. Almost every teams added new players Free Agency on the house. They're all GONNA add Via the draft. So you'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA have to work through some of that and much shorter timeframe which is unfortunate for the teams though again. It's something everybody's going through this now like just one team with just one artists to TV dealing with air by dealing with itself. That kind of makes it so that you're cutting out Through this together. And so maybe you just don't think there's going to be dry work draft high. So they're gonNA be expected to perform but maybe more on a curve this year as opposed to pass you just because everybody knows it won't be able to have that normal on field work that you would have a normal offseason program this is. This is not the situation that these teams are going to be in. These are going to be in so maybe they won't be does Harvard accordingly but again the NFL people are GonNa get judged papering fire. Lose their jobs getting benched off based on their play this season whether or not the off season the storm will will. Yeah whether the off season is normal or not. Basically it doesn't really matter lease so that was thousands of ritual seasonality like. I said they're already doing the draft virtually which I know they efficiencies details four which is all be done through teams. Mike love teams. I believe So yeah and as all know happened next week starting the twenty third of April offers teams involved To get the details of the virtual format but this was out for a little while. I think they're all doing it through. Microsoft teams another having a mock draft which I would. I wasn't televised that I mean. Obviously they won't because it's not that serious but I would love for them to help that collecting that would be Kinda cool. Just see how it will work and how it's GonNa run and also not that it really matters necessarily for me. There's just again something I watch. That knows going to be all through Microsoft teams. You can't really go that you can't go to facilities and how that because again not safe What else and others mainline? Where where does that lets you basically GonNa be muted most of the time? But if if you need if you need to announce a picture there you can do that as as separate line for trains. I believe to In case occasionally to communicate through their own mock draft believed this week. Try to make sure things are sussed out so you fix will be submitted through Microsoft teams with several other redundancies in case of error at worst teams themselves on a league wide. Call simply say the pick that way. And there's a separate secure line created for draft trays. Teams will call in and speak on that line to complete trades multiple voices on GM system GM etc. That'll be against him later this week when they only have the mock draft the yeah. I mean I guess it's kind of where we're at with things Everything's GonNa be virtual. I mean another were Kinda of worried about the cybersecurity. People like hacking into other people's teams or whatever but again if it's muted I don't really She can hack in. Michigan has my hack into the computer how you'd be able to hear them And nothing really. Another can't go the team so definitely stopping them from all being at somebody's house can you can. You shouldn't be leaving your house but again there's no I don't know if there's any way to regulate that per se so But yeah there's the I like to thank the league off this throwing again. They can run through all the bugs this week whenever they had their mock draft civic. What works when did what did work didn't work? And all I use teams for my workouts. I could live. It's easy you don't have to you have to anybody. You can just choose the season. I Zoom where you have to do or not just in time for you have to do video. Resumes like we always do the video. My team you can just you can just you can. You don't have to do the do the audio multiple tissues audio for the big calls. No reason for people to see you making the pets unless you want to be seen. Maybe Semitic Adele will be seen but everybody else's real does no real need to do it But yes I think it should be fun. I know a lot of GM's stuff all press the button worried about different things. But I'm just like look. The draft is a is a event that didn't does my needs to be done person. Also you can call into the picks anyway so it's like this isn't really all that different when you really think about it. In my opinion I think they'll be right but again. I guess we'll wait and see next week. See how it goes down about. I don't think the drafting virtual should be obeyed. You're just I don't think the Aussies Evert will be that big issue a lot of things. We have an awful stuff is unfortunate but everything should do. The fastening work Workout so that you can do it all from home. Zogby have good Internet connection and like an eye pattern laptop or something. You can do us that at all. I think it'll be fine again. We are creatures of habit so we don't like things that are done differently. Their change in any way shape or form where he's assume change bad this scenario. I don't think he's going to be that bad news. Probably just embrace it personally and just like I just have fun with it again. It's not really GONNA fix anything it's GonNa side halfway through all we're going to do it in person like it is what it is and by the end of these things are virtual anyway. 'cause I mean after you have the people that come up on stage knowns coming on stage just announcing the pigs mo seem to just call in the people are again. They're not all in the same rooms. That's unfortunate they can have their own separate teams call for just themselves they want to discuss things are dogma. Who's on the Board? Who they who they're looking at that. You couldn't communicate via phone swimming twenty technology on these. That's here's but yet again next week. So we'll see how that all goes down and speaking of the draft and mock drafts It is or it hasn't been mock draft season and I want to say why I believe though. I do and realize redress. It gives some fans. Unrealistic expectations of how the drafts are going to play out in the value of people. And whether you trade off or trade back or stay put or WHO's GonNa be available when you go stuff like that? I'll tell you why mocked while fun you. Kinda hurt fans again doesn't matter for GM's up want to hurt the fans idea of what's going to happen on draft night so disgusted rafters break stay tuned. Are you looking to get your college football? 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What our teams are going to pick where he letting go stuff like that There's also I mean also mock drafts are fun. I've done quite a few in my free time of C. Which a lot of us have now since we most of us can't really warehouse unless you are essential workers. This is my per episode shadow to the essential workers You shout to you guys. The doctors nurses these officers five. Fires Presuming Girls who star workers restaurant's employees. I mean the essential. Obviously but like there's some numbers are working because people still do need to eat National Yeah take the back. They are essential Many buyers out there that is the man happy risking their health. So that people like me can eat Get Water and also get proper Treatment when it is needed so to you as you very much appreciate don't hear from anybody else did you hear from C. Back Democracy. Mock ouster fun can Good Fun as is drowsy. Like our what do I think my team would do in this scenario? Or what what I take back. What what. I want my team to do what you may want him with. The teams in doing very rarely always coincide. I know a lot of people do mock jazz very and I mean none of them hit on all the picks especially in the one most people allowed do like first couple around mach just like a team specific mock draft very ready. Do you hit on all the picks and I'm trying to think last year Catholic. I mentioned before Eagles Fan I don't remember if I ever had them picking my house in a mock draft. Pick more running back. I don't know if I'd rather than picking if I pick a miles once or twice but not have been the pick that they may have had them picking Dillard or JJ orsha Wreath Miller or Clayton. Thorson Kashi was terrible. is what it is So yeah so that's the thing. So that's kind of proves. My very point mock drafts give you a false idea of what you think is going to happen on dry. And as we all over minus the first two maybe three picks all of it is pretty unpredictable. Teams are no what last year unaware Cleveland Farrell. When I thought I think would war. He went with the raiders. I pick I believe 'cause yet they pick dossier because with a second down Abram third lashing and then and then therefore thrown back. I think Max Mosley was the fourth. But he's the one that into having more sex ATTITU- so that was kind of Interesting how that how that worked out. Because it was a mess but it turned into a hick they got somebody else at Farrell's like tear buzzer rookie. Videos have ten sacks Dens award went four was kinda surprising but he was good. His rookie year and Baker went. One was kind of a surprise. We'll see us. I'm saying this surprises every draft. He barrage befall. You know what has any idea how the GM's her for an awfully Think or feel about players. I mean you talk to different people like this person's this high up on the draft for this person's this higher this person's this low or we have this guirec double that Kylie no-one non-resident Indian. That's why these mock draft housing up year after year and make the Thomas as and well. They're they're more so draft experts. Say Why your timeshare and they'll capers and Mike mayock. We used to do it now. I'll go through democtrats nowadays Jeremiah. Does it Bucky Brooks? I mean the Guy Matt Miller Does Lay said there's so many different democracies and most of them don't get all the picks right because again everything I'm Dick. You must have one pick that. There's a snowball effect of things that happened. After because now people are available. Weren't available in your March. People aren't available. That were available in your mark drafts. All told me so. I would caution fans now get too attached to mock draft. Just because like I say it gives you a false sense of what's going to happen like if you go through a mock draft especially like a similar website mulled with how do multiple Madras generally speaking the same people are going to be available more or less when you pick each time depending on where senior like if you like if I did a mock draft for The giants nine times ninety nine. I was nine. Five hundred. Job is gonNA be gone chase zippy on and Jeffey cude is going to be on. Now if I was gonNA necker will be what happens. But if I mean if if say the dolphins or the or the chargers trade up or maim somebody else raise up to three. Get that. Pick pick a quarterback now. Google is available at for now. Maybe I mean if such week of the two out of Austin maybe chase available for. It's just like you don't really know what's going to happen. And that's the one thing. I mean Ozzy mocked if you can if you have specific programs you can do trade yourself. But the computer won't do extra trades the for other teams like. Then that's an that's a part of as part of draft. Is the trade talking trades up having trade back happen? Will I guess those are the same thing as often team hasselback quickly will trade happened just happened. And those on factored factored into mock draft also was not factored in as they whoever built whatever the rating system are. That's what they believe. That's not how a certain team or certain for an office may believe in that you're saying gives you fostering security like oh this person should be here at twenty one or trade rag. This person will be available like you don't know that got no again. Speaking Strictly Eagle's perspective on in this Example allow people are like. Oh a twenty one. We should trade back or not we. They should trade back. You Know Sports. Let me say we. But I'm trying to say we when I when I remember they trade back and Japhta leg of one of the big three is aren't there which is a rogue. Judy garland which I mean. If I won't be but again never know teams player fall. But he has a one-way guys aren't that initial trade back and then draft Henry rugs or Denzel mims or Jalen Rieger somebody Later on I'm like all right. That's cool 'cause like in your mock draft you did. They are available but if you look at the teams behind them directly behind them you have our. I see the Vikings who ozzy just traded receiver. GonNa need a new one Got The new guy the Patriots. Their receiver game was not very short last year. Yet the saints who again I got the number two outsider manual. I mean opposite Michael Thompson Manuals. But he's not going to be there forever so they're going to third receiver. Could I mean Mike Slot? So you don't necessarily need a slot receiver but are they jumped daily intake. Lsu while Louisiana Tech Balance. You know the Vikings pick again. The offense could use another receiver the packers or any nosy over the forty niners. They don't take one royal need number receiver Could Tie in Italian code. The Ravens could MUNC- auspicious. I'm saying you trade back just because when I take my mom neither my mocked up. Denzel moves available at Twenty eight or wherever you decide. You want to trade back to okay. But that's not very good chance. That might not happen. There could be a run on receivers right after you right after you pick assuming the person trading up in the training for issue so I'm like it just gives you a false sense in that case also people just like. Oh this person's not going to be on the board and we pick. I know that's what happened. As people expected them to take shape or whatever last year in the freshman they don't ever take maximum. I did that for the expected. They traded up. Boom Leapfrog. Had the raiders to get Josh gives when it comes to find out a tackle that they had number one on their board. I believe and under diller was available and like no one respected because again he was supposed to go top ten toughest teen minority had Jason Peters. Still they're like no those. Are Things that you don't take into account when you do? These mock drafts this let again. That's how one down as you do. That for a desolate. Every team in terms of what could have happened. What did in fact happen? Main people didn't think they were Josh mcdaniels Jones at six mashed into may run. Take demoines when they already had a bunch of Defense laminant Tommy traded for another one this year as well. But that's just my point. Is that when you do after ass? Don't get too attached to what happens and that's all. I'm saying that you can't do nothing. I don't assume that that's how the draft is going to go. Don't don't reason for why your team should or shouldn't do certain things. How Amok Jaffe did one? Because there's a very good chance people you think will house. Divergence people aren't going to be available will be available to people who who don't think it will be available Who who you think. We'll be there won't be available and that doesn't just go for the first rivals all the rounds because again. I don't think it's very unlikely that the the the draft order yet. You haven't whatever mocked Jeff you created is exactly the way that things are going to be cited not impossible. I guess but it's the chance of that are very very slim. These act right order with each team because I get off at. This actually is a popular that factors in assuming no trades. And that's not gonNA happen. I'm just telling you when you have your discussions on what you think your team should do. Or what position you think they should address realize that trading up or trading down we're trading off for people's separate thing would be like oh trade backdraft this person later. I don't know why you would expect the teams do that because again if the person if you like them if you want to team like enough to want to draft him they shouldn't just assume they're gonNA be available when they pick like we shouldn't as fantasy -ssume that if we treat back this going to be available that person's going to be available. You don't know what I'm saying. A lot of people take mock drafts as gold. And they're not not that they're again. They're they're good predictive tool but they're not law. What happens to democracy is not exactly how it's GonNa play on the drafts? That's one offense. Remember that when they're having these discussions about what they think or will have the team should handle things or whatever. There's a plethora of people that are GonNa be available at that that either a you didn't expect or not even egg. There's no apps that there's going to be Goodman. People there with each used to be available at the time. You're just the nature of how these things normally go. So yeah so I'm just everybody MARKUPS FUND. But they're not remember that they are not law. Most people don't most people who jobless it is technically no. You don't even know these things so dateable and you shouldn't make any bases on how you think your team should handle on what you think your team should do based on a mock draft. You did because that's not how it's going to play out just speaking of Marcus and the NFL draft and certain things not going the way we expect. I'm going to prized I. Would I don't say that I think are going to happen or this? Kind of thank in Slash. Hope will happen in the coming draft just a couple of surprises fries. Things that may that we. You would be surprised if they did happen. I'm repeating myself but like you get the point some things that seem might be now but if they were to happen on drafting he'd be like wow okay. I can see that coming and you see it. Coming go is going to happen. 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Just because I think this whole virtual thing and injure his heart scare to scare a lot more people thought they would. I thought people would look past because again. He put up such great numbers. But I think that coupled with the fact that people think is supporting cast through. Now that that case has can and will be made or hasn't made a lot of other quarterbacks both in the Collagen and then in the college in College at an NFL just because people kind of wonder how good you a lot of loud the idea of the mindset that we have of core by dishes like the Tom Brady asked the were you can be. You can have anybody out there. Receiver I mean honestly again grocers career. Whose ARGUMENT EVER. So then the best coach so he didn't have nothing out there on offense but normally his best receiver was Assad receiver. As I had a couple of years we had the randy malls and as we know what happened when he ever any. Moss Sarah. There's some say. He didn't have a plethora of pro bowl or pro off in Cairo. That that came. That came along with him. Ozzy no pain head cares. And I I don't know is rich linen hall of fame Nah Hall of fame. Right now. I mean I was a great group is no easy. All right okay no no. He's not yet. I mean not to say that he can't be often but again rigid rooms six time pro one time all pro so again. He's a young people around and then we went to the Broncos yet Sanders Demerits Times. Who's good before? The injury is Older West rocker who still good and made Julius Thompson to a Star. He visited nothing after many retired So there is that well but yeah so and to getting knocked. Because it's like oh off line so good oh. The running backs are good. Oh you're cevers obviously agree. I mean they have to go in the first round this year. Another one that could go in the first round or good on the first one this year and Davante Smith to you could argue is their best receiver last year. I mean you could argue. If you look at the numbers I think he you think he had the had the best season at all the three between the four if you include Waddell we had almost the over twelve hundred yards fourteen touchdowns eighteen point five yards per catch. Henry Robes had only seven hundred ninety eight hundred yards and seven touchdowns and nineteen yards for castle But again nowhere near the apple and he's going to Kim he could very we'll get into surprise him in a second and then Jerry. Judy had Eleven sixty three ten touchdowns was fifteen point one yards per catch. Judy was the best one in twenty eighteen of the three that between Nineteen Monte Smith was was the guy. Which is he's the one that stayed in school so like I said they may have. They just have so many great players on offense that people knocking to make things too easy. A lot of simple read just one one looked. Your guy gets opened because again. He's better than nine hundred seventy quantities. That are going to be covering him. So don't ask ball. She thought boom easy cash. Now they can. They can do their thing with a lot of lot of. Yak yardage produced in that offense which I mean. Most conferences are these days. So it's not really gonNA say not him but Djibril isn't getting that same people. Were still discussing it. But they're not doing me to agree. Richard. I'm pushing down everyone's Go Number One Use photon Until August the bengals decided to trade the Pickard something else. I don't know who knows with the bengals wanted to do. But Jeb Bush Number One and again he had the best receiver in the country and Georgia's the top five zero in the country. Doesn't Jefferson great running back one of the best number three receivers and Taras Marshall who could potentially be a top two or three round pick next year Nazi cloud delared Joe Brady effect. Good off the line Tight ends privately drafted and thaddeus malls so as now. Good good teams. Have weapons doesn't mean that he was. Clemson they had t higgins Justin Ross drives. Espn good offenses. Have good players. It sets like I don't know why this knock on people per se because I mean Jay and hurts had had had Before that Car Murray had Cd Lamb Ed. Markey's around Hollywood Brown. Who however I'm on. The first people were arguing lashes. He with the Bachelor on his team and the restaurant on I believe even with the four or five forty miss the Hawkins Territory. He'll be on See a good offense. Had good players forbade clear. That's not. That's not a surprise on getting knocked. That is interesting but I said I'd be more surprised if he goes on top five now just because it again. I think the injuries scare people. Can if you are given the opportunity and you know you're you're live on the line. Would you rather go with a guy and just herbert? Who's fits them? More is big six big arm. No durability concerns senior played in decent begins at Oregon and then one is not terrible Inaugurated with little to notice. He was compared to what To add or you go with the smaller injury-prone quote unquote online using that word but that label but injury prone guy. What are you choose? Teams are going to choose the upside of joy in love who Again people are comparing him to Mahomes E. I don't think he is but again arm. Towns there the mobility And stuff like that and again on a bad team and yet Utah State. You could argue and arrogant here. Napa watchable Utah State Games. I don't know how good rather team but again dash was Wyoming. The team was around. He was not drafted top fifteen Carson Wentz was at North Dakota state. Again they won National Championships in. Fcs But now really else from that offenses been league that much difference in an apartment role of Carson Wentz and he went number two so that the the smallest things even the not nestling hasn't really been issue for people in the future. I mean Joe Patchy home base. It did nothing I mean. You put a big staff. We didn't win anything of note at Texas Tech. Now look at him now. Doesn't it really didn't matter see? I think that could be like I said. I think if he went like five to the dolphins or sixty hard or even seven to the panthers narrow. Surprise me at this point more than Him last into like the twenties. Or maybe you want the teens having somebody that Or maybe they have dolphins picking my like eighteen. Or The raiders. Victim in nineteen or the Falcons or or the buccaneers pick. My fourteen raised twelve. Act that maybe even the Patriot sir. Nothing to trade off for the Patriots rate at form As Metro. Who knows but that that kind of stuff would surprise me less than him going to the dolphins right now as of this moment today again not to say that it can't happen but that would surprise me. This is thank. You can be too scared about the physical in. What were they preferred a picture of things. Now there's one player that drafts. That's I mean that drops it's unexpected and I think that that you're could this year that say it could be very will be doing so the number to hinder rug to talk about a little bit. No surprise for me is that I think the first receiver off the board and whether they deserve ingrid he's has great tools and elite speed on great hands. Good Yard after catch. I've never seen a call ever in his life If he's in all the games washing I watch more than enough into never see him get caught from behind but yeah I think that speed is just does something to people not in. Meghan upsets bathroom. Battersea what he's going to be like the mysterious Hayward Bay or something like that might be like John Ross. Where he's like he's good as I. He's always hurt like I don't think that's going to happen. Too heavy rugs. He's not bad that small but I will. Just if you told me that that this time lascaux would have been surprised because you got. Cd Land coming out. Who again was amazing. Had the production has has a production And not not great speed but get enough speed. What eleven hundred almost twelve hundred yards? Mlm touchdowns in two thousand eighteen over thirteen hundred yards and fourteen touchdowns averaging twenty one yards per. Catch this past season and I talked about judy who had better numbers than him As well and both those guys I think are going to go after him. Europe's which is greatest show for c. You got Therapy GONNA in Amash do on people. I'M GONNA take my take my flag on. I think Henry I mean I think he Liam is that guy for me. At least I for the museum idle assume he goes to the right situation again. That kind of. Let's how all these things work you go to go to. Team doesn't have good quarterback then obviously then situations little bit shaky. Have you have a good enough quarterback I think's GonNa be fun for you so he's one of those guys I it would. It would not surprise me when it happens but at this time last year would've surprised me. Someone told me Henry Rose is going to be the first receiver off the board. This is again. He knew judy was going back and glimpsed going back and he was coming back. And all those guys agreeable. After where I don't know because again unpredictability the draft But again jeff can use a receiver. Coroner's could use a receive. I mean they don't need receiver but they could take one if they don't WanNa take tackle. the raiders. The niners Rocco's Navy Falcons may be cowboys in dolphins. Obviously the I mean out of the Eagles Vikings Patriots Saints Receiver. So I think in the first one will probably comfortable at eleven to the jets Honesty Brown's Jaguars Com sake. Don't see and retreating to the top ten for receiver. Seems crazy to me but again I would love to see because I love unpredictability The year so I'm trying to think of another surprise. I don't think I'm trying to think what other things would be surprised me. Try to think of one more for you guys Oh nothing well. This is. This is to quarterback. I think somebody's GonNa Trade for Jordan love. I don't know how high I don't know what's come. But I feel as if sums in trade up to draft and go to mahomes justly do additional lots and he's going to fall again Utah state but some trade up for him which is again no issue going in the first army completely getting by this. Don't know if he's a person I would trade up four percents a lot of question marks for me but I've been watching film so I can't say that I think someone's going to trade up for him. I don't think you can go like at five or six. Ib hangs apparently his his draft position is anywhere from five to twenty five which is kind enough effort. Who said that today? And it's almost so that he could move between five and twenty five. Which twenty five is the Vikings? They take him but all right I mean if he's ever since they might take him but you so he could often be the quarterback off the war. They said as low as like the saints. Vikings in the fourth quarterback off the board and none nothing between surprise me but I do think I just have this weird feeling. Some trade. Get so enamored with the with the raw talent up siding. They screw imitate up with people. People do I mean the bears rate from three to to to get metrics bisky. Why Not really sure. I don't think the niners are going to take him. No riffing him. Nothing to trade up for him. But I must have this weird hunch. Someone's GonNa do it. Don't know why I said they. Maybe they won't need to maybe get drafted by the chargers normally at six or someone else nicotine or something by this weird I was going to be like. We need to go get him now. And trade out for doughy. Mov suddenly tells me it's going to happen. I don't know why but something does your surprising where these are surprised so I would be surprised that these things do happen. But also we'll be surprised if these things don't happen because Do they seem like the writing on the wall for these things so again. We never really not issue. You never know what these things because the draft is so unpredictable. We don't really know where to go. There's going to be a lot of surprises. I mean bunches and bunches of stuff. I didn't even think of or didn't mention opposite going measured three things. But that's that's the thing about the draft predictability of it. We don't really know what's going to happen. We think we do. You have an idea like oh this person who go here. This person is going to go there. This person's going to get drafted by this team or this seems to do this thing in the draft. Let me get there and we're just like. Oh Wow everything. We thought we knew thought out the window by pick five. We don't know we're talking about. I mean that's why known reuse Ma'am draft analyst kept these experts. Get their picks. The mock drafts all messed up because no one knows no one knows you can talk to a bunch of people you can you talk to sources you can run through. March asks you can pull play personnel. You can do whatever and still you're surprised drafting and that's why I love it. So yeah we're only only we can change away. Give us something new to watch. I don't know how much you enjoy. I watched a little bit of the worst thing. I don't date you're ready you can get into. I got into a little bit but it's not it to tournament. 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The Big Three That Never Happened

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The Big Three That Never Happened

"Before we begin today's show. She's so is a Swiss watch brand with a broad range of high-quality watches, attractive prices, Stylus Trendy and innovative bring performance and style to the game by offering painstakingly accurate timekeeping. Stylish authentic watches, that's why T so as the official watch of the NBA. Each one of T so's tied pieces delivers quality, performance and traditional luxury. So prides itself on precision style. If it's classic and contemporary collections, committing to make excellence accessible to everyone shop, the latest time pieces at t so watches dot, com, t so this is your time and follow Hashtag. This is your time and t so dot us on facebook and instagram for more information about T so. Hello Mark. podcast where we talked about the NBA. We're doing that tonight with some friends on the West. Coast joining us from San Francisco. Nick Free Del Nick Welcome back. Weeks and weeks in a row free the I'm here anytime. You need me. To be on. In downtown La. Sure it's wonder what he's having for dinner tonight. Kevin Arnovitz dinner today. A little chicken curry! I got roasted carrots with kind of. Cardamon yogurt and we're doing a peach in Barada Salad, because it is, it is stone fruit season Brian winters I know you were ecstatic. I like Barada. All right. So. We're recording this on Sunday evening On Monday at some point, I've got a story post working on for a few months got a bunch of help from some people. Dave McMenamin specifically Nick Friedel George Sodano, but It is a look back at the two thousand ten. Free Agency which obviously an iconic free agency ten years ago, coming up here starting next week and specifically way Lebron Bausch and what happened there I really focused on the. You know the I know. Everyone's talking about the decision and Don van Natta had a show the Sunday night about the decision. You know I've covered a lot of the decisions of my career I've you know I wrote? A book called the broadening where I wrote about it extensively. and. The decision is certainly part of it, but I. It's not what I focused on I I'm. That is what it is my focus more on the. You know the meetings you know what went down that week with all those teams coming into me with those guys and what happened and and then you know they committed weighed, and Bosch committed on on a Wednesday and I got to say it's amazing. You go back and look. At it! They committed on the noon. Sportscenter to Mike Wilpon. Twelve o one bosh and Wade were. Reported that they're going to Miami. It wasn't like nobody knew, but Bosh and Wade were in different locations, and they were in three boxes and Michael Wilbon in four and a half minutes conducted an interview where he immediately got to the point they both denounced their commitment to Miami both explained why they did it. Wait explained his thinking, and then boss explained this thinking, and then it was like okay. Good luck to you guys. And then the next the decision it took twenty eight minutes for Lebron in Massa, they should have had one point. I'm I'm saying they should of had Mike Wilpon and let it would have been done much cleaner But the thing that and this Alito this has been discussed. For over the years but The thing about it Nick when I went and did all the reporting and talked to. I talked to people that were in every meeting. some of them are on the record. Some of them are not, but I talk to people who are in every meeting. And one of the things that has always been fascinating is. The alternate reality is if the Chicago Bulls had somehow been able to execute. This move because Wade and Bosch had. In playing in Chicago, how much interest! I don't know, but I mean you live through that What did before. We get into the nuts and bolts of what are your memories from Moines, and just the things that you've talked to people about over the years chief you think about that will be to me. The story and the conversation starts with Chris Bosh. Because you talk to people in that, Bulls Organization. including. Former Chris by coming to the ball straight up. Chris Bosh. In the Bulls were supposed to be together at least in Chicago's mind, and then as that week played out as I know, you get into in the story, they went. Oh, what what's happening here? But as far as the Bulls were concerned, they felt like they had a commitment. At least some people were going did from Chris Bosh. They felt like Dwayne Wade. Would follow. They hope that that would work out. especially as the days continued into that first weekend and Then to see everything kind of fall apart in that fashion and see all three of the big guns go to Miami the way they did. Frankly I I still don't think the Bulls are all the way over it I mean the the story line with the Bulls always will be always is derrick rose got hurt and it changed the course of the franchise, but I can just tell you living through it that there are still people in that organization that have not gotten over all the different things that happened that summer. Kevin I I think it's easy. It's easy to lose this. We're so focused on not only that big three's but big three's in history but. In leading up to that huge free agency, which was a central focus of the NBA for at least eighteen months. All of these teams were talking about big twos. All every teams plan except for the heat was a big to. And even into that week. The concept of the big three about somebody putting all three together was foreign, and that's one of the things that was difficult as I went back and put this together is. To really tell the story you know the idea that somebody could pull off all three of these really unthinkable, even in that week in two thousand ten. Well Right, and and I'm sure you get into this and the piece, but the reason is is salary structure right like to create essentially three Max slots? Is I. Mean I'm sure you go through the spreadsheet gymnastics that Pat Riley and and Ellsberg and all the folks in Miami had to go through. Because look, there's a very. There's these very specific parameters to the CAP and. Guys like us. Who cover it just take it for granted. Fans have gotten amazingly literate. In sort of the contours of the CAP but I didn't think it was financially possible to strip down a roster to the point where you could add three guys who were undisputably Mac superstars. Well, you need about fifty million to do it. All at the Max and the CAP was around fifty eight million. And you know. This was that he did not take the Max. They took slightly less than that. Which made Miami do it? But So in that moment in this, it's beginning of that time. you really had four teams. who had space for two players The New York Knicks, who famously went on a long hunt to get there? The New Jersey Nets. Who had just been purchased by Mikhail Procra- off, he'd owned the team less than three months. Chicago Bulls who. I thought were the catbird seat because they had space for to Max, or at least they are very close to two. They could have gotten there, plus they had. Derrick rose Taj Gibson joke him noah. It drafted very well. All three of those guys run rookie contracts. which is why they had space, and then he had the heat who had room for two But they had the advantage of having to Wayne Weight, already sort of in residence and the thing that was so one of the things that You know as I was covering it during the that week I mean. I spent my time at Lebron's meetings. There was the broad had an office an office building in Cleveland and there was a little elevator lobby, and there was a cafe off the elevator lobby that people came, and basically bought bagels and coffee at and there's four little tables it there. And I made sort of a deal with the woman who was the proprietor. I would be able to sit there all day long As long as I had materials that I bought so I just bought a series of policy water and watched people come in and out of the elevator and you know. Yeah I wish I had been in the meetings, but It was amazing to watch the Miami area. Brian I hate to interrupt but I I love this I imagining you going up. I'll have one Andes candies for ten cents. And then an hour later. Is that a fair? Like because I know those those sort of corporate office building Delis, which is. Just, like what is it this hour? I mean it was a very I'll have a snapple, yes. so I, basically it was just an in twitter was in its infancy I remember at the start of the weekend seventeen thousand followers, and after those three days I had shot up to thirty five thousand because I was. tweeting like rivals, you know the comings and goings. Basically all I was seeing was was coming in an on off the elevator bisque reporting who was there and Just remember that the nets were the first one in and pro Kroft came in with Jay Z.. And I talked to Avery Johnson for the peace. Every had just been hired as the head coach. And then that's that day started in New York. They flew over and broker off G. Five over to Cleveland Jay Z. came with them. And they went and kichler abroad for a couple of hours, and was a very impressive crew. Program is six eight. You know it was in like five or ten thousand dollar suit for all I know avery Brett, your marker CEO. Rod Thorn they're g It's a very impressive crew and then They pitched for a couple of hours and And Jay z stayed behind and got like an extra fifteen minute meeting, and and Jay Z in the meeting, a really appealed to Lebron. Their friendship and selling New York the problem was they were GonNa play in New Jersey the next two years. They had one lake fourteen games the year before. And so you know they were just kind of early and Jay. Z like literally left and the Knicks. Come in like immediately. After Jay z leaves, they passed each other. In the garage and the Knicks you know Jim Dolan is not. McKell Pro Cross Donnie Walsh was their GM just had surgery. He was in a wheelchair, and actually out of respect to donny, who was a legend I did not report that he was in a wheelchair, but he also had a neck brace on. and they did bring Alan Houston but like in that mobile. You're like they're both selling new. York and you're like boy. One crew looks different than the other. And so that was the first day of the Lebron meetings meanwhile in Chicago on the first day. wait and bosh both in Chicago their agent Henry Thomas. Who's passed away but play a huge role in this. was based in Chicago so wait. And Bosh came to Chicago even though neither of them. You know are from or ways from Chicago, but neither based in Chicago at that point, but you know huge quarter for the Bulls. They're in town. So the Bulls meet with Wade and Bosh the same day. Wade comes up first and the. is at the United Center and Wade. Knee Bulls are not convinced that weight is ever GonNa leave the heat, and so they have this full presentation ready for Bosch this full presentation ready for Lebron, but they only give weighed like forty percent of it. Because they thought he was going to take that and immediately go to. the heat and give them here their strategy. They didn't trust that he was truly a free agent. nick. Did you feel at the time that? Anybody really thought that wait actually wanted to come. Chicago I'm talking about like at the start of this. No, the I. If you go back in time, be it was exactly as you just described well. Let's see what happens with Dwayne, but the focus early on. Was Chris Bosh. And, of course, the focus was always going to be on the Brown I. Mean like early early on in the process in going back in time I was just looking through my notes. The Bulls made these. ipads individualized for each player, and they had a member of their staff deliver them that first night July one. In and for Bulls fans who delivered Chris Bosh pet to him in Texas? That would be a man. Chuck's worse Kfi, a longtime play by play guy. For the Bulls, who knew Bob Stating back his days in Toronto, but the point was in those first hours those that first day or two. It's exactly what you described Lebron was it? Like the IPADS came in like a metal case like you would somebody a case full of money in no, and they have like these really. Is that GONNA win. You over is like a really impressive ipad. But I mean I. Guess It was something right? We're as they were ahead of Hello Kitty case. But. For people that are trying to figure out what this look like what we're trying to describe when you go to a restaurant and you see a restaurant, have a menu. For what after all, that's what the Bulls were trying to sell in that moment and it had lists of schools for for the players that had kids. It had tips about the city. BE I know you get into. There were pitches from Oprah. I, mean there were there were all kinds of different layers to each player's IPAD. In the Bulls took a lot of pride in the time in the work that they're. They're media department. Put into those pitches. Because any question. They felt like any free agent. Hat would be answered by hitting a button but the point is in that moment. The feeling was. Let's get Bosch. Maybe he can swayed, and then who knows what can happen with Lebron, but early on in this ties back to what we said. At the beginning there was such shape a feeling of Chris. Bosh is coming to Chicago in. At least we have that first domino that we need. Yeah so while weight, but here's a here's the thing way loves. The pitch slips on a bulls number three, jersey, which is in his, he actually had a film crew with them. It's in his documentary. That just came out. And like if you look at his face when he puts on the Jersey like there's a twinkle in his eye. And eight million dollar twenty years later. That's true. That's another story. Meanwhile also in Chicago, the Miami Heat the heat. I stopped. They come to Chicago so. The heat are in Chicago while Wade is meeting with the Bulls and getting their forty percent pitcher whatever? Guess what's being pulled out of the the little velvet bag in in the conference room and it's. Where Henry Thomas worked. The rings and when I interviewed Chris Bosh for this I wish this is one of those things where you wish you had the video when Bosch described the moment that Riley put the rings down. He was like boom. Big Boy Talk. Here's my rings. And at the end of the meeting now in the meeting the the heat. Look their pitches very simple. Three is greater than two. That was pitch. I mean yes come to Miami. We have no state income tax. It's a beautiful place. You know we have our history. Alonzo mourning was there talked about winning a title. At the end of the meeting. PAT, Riley Hands Chris Bosh a two thousand six Miami. Heat Championship ring. says. This is for you. You hold onto it till you win one. You can give it back to me. which probably is a violation of some rule? but By the way he never give it back to him. He still has it. He's. Not kept it. has a couple of his own anyway, so then. bausch weights, which places Boshko's new with with the Bulls and a pitch that bulls thought went great. Right, nick absolutely. Chris Bosh are according to. More than one person in the organization said that I'm coming to play for the Bulls. Straight up. He said I'm coming to play for the Bulls. This is where I'm, GONNA. So. weight has his meeting with the heat. You know it's very comfortable for him. Although during the previous year there had been some mossy between Riley, and when wait wait was a little frustrated that the heat had you know basically cleared the decks for. Lebron. And you know they did make the playoffs. They were a playoff team which should be noted. all these teams that you know. The Nixon Nets were awful, but the the the heat made the playoffs despite clearing their salaries books and they were. They showed Dwayne. They're like look by the end of this. We're going to have only one guy in the row. Stress can be Mario chalmers and we're going to have the money we're going to do this. We're GONNA get. We're GONNA. We're GONNA get Chris and Lebron and can you help us get them and way really knows Riley. And he he's never seen moore nervous, but the way Bausch and Lebron described Riley in those meetings was like Godfather. Boss, man, but you weighed. Season is very nervous, but they pitch him the three. But that night as the heat, get in McPherson jet, which was g five by the way I kept notes of all the jets were flying, procure off, had a g five McPherson's rolling in the G. Five the Knicks Rolling G. Four? So, make of that what she will. So by the way as as an aside the nets after meeting with Lebron in Cleveland, then fly on to Chicago. And meet with Bosh and Wade also in Chicago that night and they had You know where they had lunch to plan for their meeting with Pash they they. They had the late lunch at Gibson's Oh. Pure Chicago kind of conic You've been to give since Kevin I have not classic. Midwest steakhouse. Last gives us his over all star weekend and I ran into mark. There who's now the head GM of the Bulls. So how about that? Anyway. and they said as they were flying back to New York that night, so they pitched Lebron Bosch the same day the nets did. The as are flying back, avery tells me that he's talking around thorn on the plane, and by the way, Jay. Z. DIDN'T GO CHICAGO. Jay Z went and got an a different plane in I. Don't know I don't know what to New, York or wherever, but he didn't wait and Bosch didn't get Jay Z just Lebron. but every told me that when he arrived thorn. We're talking and they were like. These guys aren't coming to New York. They're gonNA play together. They didn't know where, but everyone's was like. These guys are gonNA play together. That was avery. Had that read and I will say this about avery. Avery was the first guy in the League to tell me lay Lebron's going back to Cleveland. slavery has got a good read for this kind of stuff so anyway, That night. The HEAT FLIGHT TO CLEVELAND BECAUSE THEY'RE getting ready to Pitch Lebron the next day. The the velvet bag up bosh look, a crown royal bag that Riley was carrying as rings. ten re Thomas Ways. Agent calls the Bulls and says hey. Dwayne wants another meeting tomorrow. and. Nick. Do you remember? What you remember about this where the Bulls weren't even sure Wade with serious next thing you know they. They feeling good about Bosch. Because whatever was said was said and they get a call from Wade Hey. Let's have another meeting tomorrow. There was that weekend. That first weekend and there was a feeling certainly in Chicago. That? All of a sudden Bosh and Wade were on the way, and I can still remember turn on sportscenter. You're talking to people organization you're going. Is this thing really going to happen? ARE THEY GONNA? Win Bosh and Wade. Is this the moment in time and there was about a forty eight hour stretch there. where the ball's already confident. In what they felt like they had heard from Bosch went wow. Are we going to be able to player Dwayne Wade? Derrick rose joking noah, Taj Gibson Chris Bosh together. In be I know you get deep into this and the piece, but hit to me. This is where. The Bulls had two things working against them in the moment. Aside from the fact that as we learn much later, all three guys wanted to play together. One Top had just become coach the bulls, so while he had a great reputation around the League, and certainly the these guys have all spoke glowingly over time about being able to talk basketball with him in the XS and Os. He wasn't tibbs yet on a on a bigger platform, he hadn't developed that kind of head coaching reputation, and secondly, and most importantly to me. Is the Derek rose factor. In Derek famously in in those years said I'm rolling with Keith. Keith bogans because he was so loyal to? She photos I mean people still laugh. That is why Derrick rose. If I could describe why Derrick rose was so beloved in one story for his teammates, not just keep bogus is because he was so incredibly loyal to guys. On his team and the guys he believed, and he said I'm rolling with Keith and. Again to this day is a summer was so so important on so many levels. The Bulls officials and the people that lived at they always wonder if Derek had taken more of the center stage approach in the recruiting aspect of things would that have changed? What ultimately how we're going to talk about that in a minute but Kevin? The heat or fly to Cleveland that night. Wade says he's never seen fat writing more nervous, the Bulls. To certain extent must have done really well in their meeting with Bosch and now they it by the way it was reported. It wasn't like it was unknown. If became public, Wade wanted to second meeting. Even though the heat were on the verge of the greatest one of the greatest coups and the history of NBA, front, Office dumb. I wonder how well they all slept that night in Cleveland. You know it's funny. Hearing you guys tell this story you forget. And someone said it earlier just how Chicago just had everything right like like roses essentially. If you add to to rose, you have a big three right like Noah's establishing himself as this Vanessa on offense, who's one of the three or four best defenders in the League? They had they were stacked. And you know it's funny looking back. We tend to forget that we tend to forget that if you were sort of drawing up a pros and cons, two sides of the ledger for each of the five teams that are pitching that. Nothing of the pedigree of the organization like it's funny to hear Knicks talk about this media production because you're the frigging bowls, Click your the bull. You're the Chicago Bulls, so you're in a top three city and you're the most prolific team in North American Professional Sports in the last twenty years because you've won six titles. 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So Riley meets with Leeann rose. Who Was Lebron's agent? Now? President of the Knicks meets with him that night at midnight. At the Ritz Carlton in Cleveland, and basically again they're they're pitch is three as greater than two. So on day two a free agency, the heat come in and Pitch Lebron. They get their forty five minutes before. Lebron does Micky Arison. Nick Harrison his son. Who is Now? The CEO of heat Alonzo Mourning Andy Ellsberg. WHO's there now the GM? But when he was number, he's right. He's number two. Whatever's title was then finally Erik Spoelstra, and by the way I want to point something out. Out of the six teams that pitched Lebron. Okay. All of the people that came. Owners GM's presidents players. Almost, all of them are gone Jim. Dolan's the only guy I guess Alan Houston still with the Knicks but Jim Dolan Alan Houston. Whatever Allen's role is Jerry Reinsdorf I guess John Paxson still with them. All Six of those folks are still with the with the heat. All of them ten years later. They're all still there. And by the way they'd all been there for ten or fifteen years. When that happened so anyway they come in The forty five minutes to get setup Riley is pacing the hall. Outside the conference room Like before a big game, getting ready for his pitch for Laurent. meanwhile. Over in Chicago, the Bulls have their second meeting with with Wade and this time. They bring it all no more holding back. They go for the full pitch, and here's the incredible irony Wade says to them. Can you get room for a third star? So the Bulls were afraid that Wade was gonNA. Take their strategy to the heat. One what actually happened was weighed, brought the heat strategy to the Bulls. And this is the big moment in NBA history. For months. The Bulls had been planning for two. They hadn't planned for three same with I talked to Mike Dantonio who was the coach of the Knicks and. you know. He talks about the pitches that he gave because they came to Chicago and also pitched Bosch to, but. There are all these private jets flying between Cleveland Chicago, those days, and you know Dan Tony Goes. We were pitching to the heat were pick three? They blew us out of the water, but the Bulls had not spent all this time preparing for three days, and all the time preparing for to the concept of three, caught them off guard, and as you said Nick. They kind of thought that their big three P. their number one overall pick derrick rose. And so now the Bulls feel good about. Bosch and they feel like they may have weighed and here's Wade rain to them. They haven't met with Lebron yet. They're the last team to go. they have meant Lebron here's wait sort of breaking them. You, get a third. A needed eighteen million salary cap space to do it. And they just didn't have a lot of options now. This right here is the crux of history. The, heat had the advantage of of and the heat had been making little teeny moves along the way they they made the deal at draft night where they traded away their first round, pick into Kwan, Cook and clear three million bucks, and they did a buyout with James Jones later resigned in the cleared five, hundred thousand, and they were on. They had talked about the. They've found a place to trade Michael Beasley. which cleared another another five million they were. They were at about the five yard line of getting the money. The Bulls were completely caught off guard, but here they were. Presented with the fact that they could get all three. And their actions over the next forty eight hours. basically are a moment in history. Nick The bowl sat down and Just trust me that I talk to people in all these organizations. Not all of it's on the record, but. The both sat down and had a conversation with Jerry. REINSDORF and they said the only way that we think we could do this. is by trading day, And they either had to trade luol Dang to a team that could just take all of his salary and by the way Lou alday was a good player. He had not yet been an all star. He actually had the best year of his career the next year he made the All star team for the first time he had four years and forty eight million left on his contract, and so they either needed to take. have somebody take all of the money. Or. They need to use wall Dang in a sign and trade to Toronto clevelander Miami for one of those three guys in a sign and trade. That's what they needed and they might have had to trade another player or two. They might have had to lose Taj Gibson. to make the space, but that's what they needed. They needed the commitments. Let's not put that so Kevin. The team that they call is a team that you're very familiar with. LA CLIPPERS. Came and pitched Lebron. But they had caps for one star. They didn't have the two men pitch. The clippers were sitting there in the Bulls thought that was a chance that they might in that twenty four hour period. Could they trade Lou alday under the clippers? And you helped him with the story so. Now I over to you as to what happened there. Right because the clippers have this whole at the three spot I mean it's it's hard to remember, but they were kind of an up and coming young nucleus. Griffin looked fantastic. Eric Gordon was a pretty solid top ten pick sort of building a reputation as a two way guard, really strong could shoot. came in at the time, was a pretty in a League where the center physician was pretty not very. He was there so that they have this sort of this corn. and Barron was there who had a relationship with Lebron. And so hey, they're looking for three. They're probably not going to get Lebron. Would you like Luau Dang in the remaining? How much was it, Bryant? It was like at least three or four years right or years forty, eight million left on his contract so basically. Would you like to absorb Dang? That's a pretty decent. Certainly not a contender, but that's a decent core because Dang is still a good player. And they said no largely because. It's interesting. You already getting a harbinger of the following summer I mean the clippers were of the opinion that look the worm is turning. Yes, sterling still there, but like Blake Griffin's star. He's going to be the best finisher in the league. We're we have the Los Angeles market. We don't play in the sports arena I. Mean this is a real arena staples center. We have one of the best training. This was very much kind of player in power. This is a clipper empowerment. Moment the moment they think they can totally change the portion of the franchise, but they're going to hold that spot for a superstar now that spot becomes Chris. Paul's a year later, but at the time it was just like Dang, and now we're tied in now. That spot is gone for the foreseeable future. It's been have to pay all these young guys like can we go for? Do We want the Blake? RIP AIR TO BE? and Lou alday. And Dang. Player, but he's not nice enough. So Nick So this is the thing like. Could they have somehow found something for Dang? they did talk to the rap. The Raptors New Bosch was gone, so they did talk to the Raptors and the raptors I think might have considered doing a sign and trade, but of course they needed Bosch to say I'm going to Chicago to do that. So this is it this? Is it neck I mean. Only Lebron Dwayne and Kris really know how close it was, but. Short brief flicker of a moment. The concept of a lineup of Derrick. Rose Wade Lebron James Chris Bosh and Kim, Noah was there. But they were not able to clear the space, and they were not able to get the commitments now. From talking to people in the Bulls, organization, they really did try now. I tracked I went and talked to some teams where they could've traded Dang and they said Hey. The Bulls didn't call us, but in talking to people in Chicago, they really did try. and then they went to Cleveland and that with Lebron, but they met with Lebron. Without Derrick, rose. and. You know everybody is Chicago Organization. They love Derek to this day and. And as you mentioned before they found they listen, he's twenty one years old. It's not who he was. I don't know. It was not in his personality to do with Steph Curry did when he came and sat with Kevin, durant in the Hamptons and said come. With me. I I, I will subjugate, and we will share. We will win titles together. That was not who rose was I. Mean Curry's a different guy than rose rose, had a video on the IPAD given to Lebron. Rosetta Video, saying hey, come play with me. That was essentially it. joke him. Noah, was the player while go ahead you, could you know go ahead? Neck I, mean you? Joking? No is the guy who wanted Lebron the problems. No one will probably as each other. Be, it's so fascinating listening through all the layers here and there are so many what I would add quickly for context going back to Dang. Dang turned into an all star in. He really does those next couple contracts to tips. Because Thompson got the most out of little, but in that moment with four years forty eight million left. There are a lot of people, not a win Chicago Bulls Organization, but around the League for Years Forty Eight right now in twenty twenty doesn't seem like much at all four years forty eight. Then it was like God. Thanks contract is not very good, but here's the thing. Should the Bulls of like an offering? Air Take two first round draft picks to. In hindsight, they should have offered anything because that team that you described with joking coming into his own Derek. Would then go on to win. The MVP award Taj Gibson Lebron. Wade and botched that team wins the title period the next one one sixty games next year. Anyway. Exactly that'd be your Kyle Korver. Yeah, that team was unbelievable. And that's why the Bulls personnel. They will always hold out that soft spot for what could have been because there's no doubt in their minds at all that they could one that next title put, but to your point about joking. And this is where this thing is just so interesting. You and I were at this game. It was in December. the year prior and. I don't know if we can say this word, but we can say come joking. Called Lebron. Eventually Midway through the Game Lebron was dancing in front of the Bulls Bench. Literally he was dancing. They were taking fake pictures and joking was like Europe. And Lebron not only heard it, but joking didn't back off. He meant exactly what he said another reason why he was so beloved in that locker, room because he stood at the Bulls were getting crushed. For everybody on that bench because everyone's like, is this guy for real talking about? Lebron and joking right to his face called him. So, let's fast forward. Six months later, Derek. It's so interesting to me because I talked to Dwayne Wade about this the year after and Dwayne. Wade said Derrick rose. Is Right now. Pride wise where I used to be. And he said there will come a time when Derek knows that he can't do it on his own, and he's going to need other stars to help him win the title, but in that moment. Derek thought that he could be the best player on a team that won a title will he won the MVP wasn't totally wrong. He wasn't off, but but history has proven that they probably always needed that one extra piece, and that's the difference now I mean, that's what that's why. The balls feel so strongly that if maybe going back in time, Derek had taken a more vocal approach that they could landed these guys, but here's the key. Six months later, Joe Keane who recruited players for fire at the University of Florida that was part of his role. Everybody remembers the two titles that he won in Gainesville. Urban Meyer would take some of his big recruits that would come in to see the University of Florida football recruits, and he would bring them jokey. And he would say hey, Joe. Hey, tell them all by GAINESVILLE. Make sure that they become gators. The Bulls Nude. Bowls put joke keen as the Front for all the recruiting that they did so joke. Team is is talking to Bosch I believe he talked to wade and I will always remember this later that summer after all these decisions had come down, I'd gone to joke Kim's camp in Queens. And we're sitting there. I had one of those old camera. Flip phones out and we're going. Who He talked to when he talked to them. and. He gets big smile on his face, and he says I reached out to Lebron. He never called me back. And I went. Oh Man! Back into to me it because they all. They respected each other Lebron Joe. But I always think that had that episode and Cleveland. Not taking place the way it did, and had derek been the one who had been pushing the way Steph did years later as you described with the warriors with Kevin, durant would things have been different, and would they have worked out differently? You know that's a trigger word for to because years later when he gets into a draymond in the finals, Draymond said the same thing to them. And by the way I wrote about this in my book, and the return to the king with Dave McMenamin. Lebron, answered both Draymond and drew joke him with the exact same answer six seven years apart, which was on the court, he said I'm a man, and I'm a father That's not who I am as a trigger. Where you don't ever, you say it's Lebron. That's almost the worst thing you can say to him. And look at the end of the day. Maybe Lebron didn't want to Chicago like maybe that was the thing and there are people in this league. We're like look. Wade was never leaving. It was all you know. Don't fall this charade. That Chicago was in it. It's just to make it look like it wasn't done deal Miami. He looked and I can't see inside. Those guys heads. I'm just telling you I'm having done this reporting. You know it was what it was so So by the way the cavs meet with Lebron on the last day and the chasm, but the Bulls go last. cavs go second to last. The cavs had just one to sixty one seasons, and they had you know sacrificed everything they had to all these draft picks and everything to get guys like Antoine. Jamison Shaquille O'Neal and Ben Wallace and. They're just kind of chasing to keep the team together, so they just. They didn't have cap space so so their only real pitch to him to improve the team was. Hey we have, we can do a sign and trade with Toronto, for Bosch Involving Anderson, Varejao. That was the player that they wanted. Some other pieces Would you mind helping US Recruit Bosh. And because Bosch. Bosch would not call the cavs back. You know and I don't blame for it because the cavs didn't have cap space meanwhile bashes meet with all. These teams is like I don't have cap space. Lebron told the cavs going to what I was told I don't I don't really know Chris that well I don't know what he's doing and I don't know how well he knew. Chris knew he'd been on his team. USA and a bunch of all star, Games, he's about to be his team, mate, but So look at the end of the day. We get to to the July fourth on. We like this year. July fourth is on Saturday. Or July fourth was on a Sunday this year on Saturday. July fourth Sunday the meetings had gone for all. These guys Wednesday Thursday Friday are Thursday Friday Saturday and so still I fourth and way Bausch. The broncos on a conference call now look There are certain people who feel like they had decided to play together for years at this was lined up for years the cavs. Later pretty much accused the heat of tampering. They didn't formally do it. Informally. File requests, but they. Spend tens of thousands of dollars on investigation Blah Blah Blah. I don't know what's true I just know that on this call on July fourth They decide you know. It's Chicago. It'd be basically in the final analysis in new. York wasn't good enough, and they could only get to. The Nets were out. They were playing in New Jersey Lebron was open to leave. Leaving Cleveland Bosh had no interest in playing Cleveland. So you you know. They met with the clippers as as a courtesy. and has kept Kevin. Is You mentioned? By the way they meet with Leon Rose Clippers is a quick aside here. The Clippers get to make their presentation that Leeann Rosa Chris Paul. There's a trade guests who Chris Paul's agents so. You know the clippers it was. They got something out of it, but they weren't and so really. It comes down to this phone call. They're talking about Chicago and Miami. Miami's got the three spots they're. They're almost there. And they have state income tax advantage so that you know the money goes a little farther. They had actionable plans to get other people. Mike was on was on the line And they decide on the call. They're going to Miami. July fourth and that's that's the real giant piece of history. July, fourth, two, thousand, ten, bright, listening to you as we can't get in the mind. These guys but I also wonder if there was another factor. The fact that Chicago had a stack team. Actually work against them in this sense. The three of them get together. They go to Miami they. Are the Miami Heat like? The end of the day. CHICAGO IS SORT of this pre existing entity ride. The Bulls Make Derrick rose. You know what one year removed from an MVP. Award and joining the Bulls varies. You're kind of creating the heat. Obviously, the culture was there and and Riley and the rest of it. And, there's some mystique around the he they're. They're regarded as a gold standard franchise in terms of culture and all that stuff, but. Just listening to all right, so we can go to Chicago where we can be the heat like we, we can just sort of lay down bringing the guys. We won his role players. And I just wonder listening that would seem more appealing to me but seven, I don't push back. I'd push back quickly on on this part of it in that moment in time. It was more. Hope in hype around Derek and Joe Than it was reality. The Bulls were selling. They were selling Derek's going to be great and joking can really turn into a player in. It's one other. Important. to note the Bulls on top of everything else guys going back through all the the selling points they were showing the city in the brand of the Chicago. Bulls and here Kevin this is where I think and again as we said only Lebron Boston Wade. No, but that I think at least in the moment might have played against the Bulls because instead of thinking of all, this team could be really good with their grows and joking. No, it was hey. This is Jordan's team still. This is Michael's team. We WanNa win with Michael's team and I remember. In that moment there was a lot of talk, not only around the organization, but in the city of to these guys especially Lebron. Does he want to take on that mantle the same way? Or go to a brand new fresh start with a team that has had success certainly, but didn't have that kind of Mystique. Let's not undersell the fact that Pat Riley Was, the guy. She's his track record and he's a champion. He had the rings. You know in addition to the fact that these guys may just want preferred to live in Miami for Chicago You know if Pat Riley was running the Bulls. Made would have been I mean inside even to take a shot at the bully. Right is one of the greatest. Executive all time if that right is right in the bulls, maybe the Bulls do close. You know. And! Say I still say be if Tom. Had had the success. That year had one year under his belt. As the Bulls coach instead of coming in when he did fresh, nobody really knowing him as a head coach I think that could have changed it to I really do. Whenever now, so the heat close. There's more in the story about stuff that happened. After they committed because the heat you know couple of sign and trades that got negotiated just one little detail before we go. After the decision the next day. At Riley calls the heat or calls Cleveland, says Hey, do you WANNA do a sign and trade in a sign and trade was important for the heat, because doing the sign and trade. Allowed the heat to reduce the amount, they were giving Lebron the first year so that they have maneuverability to make other signings. They really they really wanted to do it. but he. He thought he might get hung up on because you know. The heat had a plan for this, but then they saw Dan Gilbert's letter. And the heat were like even in that you Fauria of Lebron committing they were like twelve. Forget about the sign and trade, so Riley calls the cavs Chris Grant who is just become the GM and. And Chris says all right. I'll see if I can talk Dan Gilbert into it. I don't know if I can talk them into it. He Calls Dan Gilbert whose in Idaho at the Sun Valley Media Conference and says We got do the sign and trade. It's you know. It's vital as bad as we are right now we have to. We have to get something out as we can't lose it for not thinking so Chris talks into. Granting decided trade like. Less than twelve hours after the after release that letter he talks him into actually helping Lebron because it meant more money from abroad. which is a miracle on itself. That was a conversation I'd like to have been onto. I liked to have been on those who calls the The three way call between Bosch Wade and Lebron, the call with Dan Gilbert. They missed to trade them, and by the way gives up his rights, they really. Complain for tampering because they. Have a question for you. I was thinking about. And you might know was the letter that Gilbert wrote strictly impulse to go to go buy a corporate PR person, or did he just did he just rip it out? Well. I don't know for sure, but it wasn't formatted like a press release. It was clearly not yet. Which is the way Dan Gilbert? All emails we live in a world. Guys like that rarely do anything without corporate consultation media relations. Yeah, that's kind of made it so John. I doubt I can't say for sure but I doubt they would be able to stop him, but the one thing I will say before we go one last detail, but there's a lot of other stuff in the story. Trust me, but. Do you know what? The cavs, so the cavs call the heat back. With their offer for the Lebron Sinu- trait now keep in mind. They have the CAP space they've done the deal. They Beasley was traded. All, they had on their roster Mario Chalmers, making less than two million dollars. They had over fifty million a record over fifty million cap space. They had it. They didn't need to sign a trait. What do you think the Cavs I offer was? To Trade Lebron James. I have no by the way. Let me just point out they had already bosh. Had committed day before Lebron, so they had already worked out a signing trade with Toronto, Toronto two first round picks, so they've already kind of set the fact that. They were going to pay multiple I for Bosch. So keep that as the baseline three. Del You WANNA take a guess. I want you to tell me. They ask for four first round picks in to pick swaps. Even have that to give after the TORONTO DEAL I. Would go to twenty forty, two or something they. They had an extra, so they had Toronto's pick. and so one of the one of the picks that the he traded to Toronto was there. Pick back. So we but it was over like the maximum amount of years. You could do it. It was like over seven or eight years. And the he said No. They ended up giving two firsts and two seconds and a pick swap and the last pick that was in that package. was was a two thousand fifteen first round. Pick that they actually end up using to trade for Kevin love after Lebron came back. So Anyway he'll kind of Larry like he Lebron becomes the beneficiary of the pick that was. Traded to. You know look I'm not GonNa sit here and defend anything. The cavs every did I will just say that. They started the first step that they made to their two thousand sixteen championship. Happened twelve hours after the decision. The letter obviously. All the letter beautiful only in its absurdity. In that night I've been through so much week when when I got the the letter in my email. I laughed hysterically. I couldn't even. Work for a few minutes because and it wasn't. I thought it was funny. It was just that it was absurd. And it was sort of stress. tension December just laugh and laugh at Grand Valley like I just can't believe this. It's absurd. but I will say that the the first step that the cavs took towards winning their. Two Thousand Sixteen. Title Happened Twelve hours after the decision in agreeing to sign and trade. and. A year later, the cavs drafted Kyrie Irving Tristan Thompson so they. Within a year, they drafted to the five starters that they needed, and they had assets ended up helping them. Get Kevin Love, but that's another podcast, I. I I WANNA. Add this real quick because now I'm I'm interested. After Kevin's question, I am so intrigued. As, Lebron weighed in Bosch, watched the last, dance. If they had second thoughts about the decision that they made in twenty ten, because it's one thing to win a couple of titles in Miami. That's great in anytime. You win a title. Be celebrated, but it's different winning titles in Chicago. That's city adored that Tibbs team with with derrick rose and joking, Noah, that city would have completely been obsessed with Lebron Wade Bosh. Derrick Joe. They would have. Asked. Injuries making comments like. I just can't imagine how popular that team would have been the closest thing we've seen to Jordan's bulls as we're going over there. In lies, therein lies the answer, the chloride thing, too. So what you're saying is this is much. Adoration in worship is the two thousand eleven Chicago Bulls with weight and and Lebron like it would never come as many comes close, but it would never surpass their favorite favorite team, and that's why I at least I think in the moment. I think that was working against the Chicago Bulls. And then you also if they don't do it, it's. Why can't you be more like your brother? For years well look, I'll say this. Say there wasn't moments of regrets throughout that heat run. Lebron's I finals their spouse to the way he coached the first year. you know, but I would say on balance knowing all of the people involved and having talked to them, not only everyday during that run, but in the sense I would say that. There is no regrets for anything that happened for those three guys. They loved it even though it was challenging at times, they had a great time in Miami. And the heat, even though the heat it ended up cutting sort of cutting short. you know. They regret the rally that they had you know they regret. Lebron grits the I'm taking my talents. You decision came off, but he doesn't regret doing it. He doesn't regret having a show. He doesn't regret the you know the empowerment and all that but You know I had heard dribs, and obviously over the years. It's been analyzed. The Bulls sound like this is the first time it's been analyzed, but in totality with his tenure space It really was fascinating. Just how close it wasn't. It really was you know. The crazy thing is I covered this every single day for years. and. You know every single angle and how many times I I talked to the Knicks talked about the Knicks and I remember Lebron, coming back to New York for the first time after he signed with the heat, and like getting grilled by the media. You know whatever, but when you look at it when you take a step back and look at. It really was three is greater than to. That was it three is greater than to. And the heat had three, and the Bulls could have gotten there, but didn't quite and all these other circumstances, and it just comes out. That's the final analysis. So. But I appreciate talking to you guys about it and I hope you guys enjoyed coming down memory lane with us so This. We didn't talk about the bubble. Thank God. 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