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The Most Anticipated New TV Shows of 2019, Part 1
On the January 17, 2019 episode of /Film Daily, /Film editor in chief Peter Sciretta is joined by /Film managing editor Jacob Hall, weekend editor Brad Oman, senior writer Ben Pearson, and writers Hoai-Tran Bui and Chris Evangelista to decide the most anticipated new tv shows of 2019. You can subscribe to /Film Daily on iTunes, Google Play, Overcast, Spotify and all the popular podcast apps (here is the RSS URL if you need it). Opening Banter: Brad gives his opinion on Jason Reitman’s Ghostbusters sequel. Our Feature Presentation:The /Film team meets in the virtual writer's room to try to come up with the top 25 most anticipated new television shows of 2019, from the already narrowed down list (please note that the notes are what we scribled down before this meeting and are a combination of official plot synopsis and info from imdb): The Mandalorian (Disney+, late 2019) first star wars live-action tv series producer Jon Favreau directors Dave Filoni, Deborah Chow (Better Call Saul), Rick Famuyiwa, Bryce Dallas Howard and Taika Waititi “The Mandalorian is set after the fall of the Empire and before the emergence of the First Order. The series follows the travails of a lone gunfighter in the outer reaches of the galaxy far from the authority of the New Republic.” Deadly Class (Syfy, January 16) Producers: Russo Brothers A coming-of-age story set against the backdrop of late 1980s counterculture, which follows a disillusioned teen recruited into a storied high school for assassins. The Umbrella Academy (Netflix, feb 15) Developed by Jeremy Slater Starring: Ellen Page, Tom Hopper, Robert Sheehan, Mary J. Blige “A disbanded group of superheroes reunite after their adoptive father, who trained them to save the world, dies.” Watchmen (HBO) Showrunner: Damon Lindelof Cast: Regina King, Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, Jeremy Irons, Tim Blake Nelson, Frances Fisher, Don Johnson “Television series based on the DC Comics series Watchmen, published 1986-1987.” ‘Russian Doll’ (Netflix, February 1st) created by Natasha Lyonne, Amy Poehler, and Leslye Headland Natasha Lyonne stars as "a young woman named Nadia on her journey as the guest of honor at a seemingly inescapable party one night in New York City. She dies repeatedly while at this party and she is just trying to figure out what the hell is going on." The Passage (Fox, January 14) Developed by Liz Heldens (Deception, Friday Night Lights) loosely based on the trilogy of novels spanning 1,000 years in the life of Amy Bellafonte, as she moves from being manipulated in a government conspiracy through to protecting humankind in a dystopian vampire future. ‘Living With Yourself’ (Netflix, 2019) created by Timothy Greenberg, executive producer of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart Comedy stars Paul Rudd as George Elliot, who is “burned out and facing an impasse in both his personal and professional life. When he undergoes a novel treatment to become a better person, he finds he’s been replaced by a new and improved George — revealing that his own worst enemy is himself. Told from multiple perspectives with intersecting storylines, the philosophical comedy asks: Do we really want to be better?" little miss sunshine directors are producers Devs (FX, 2019) Written/directed by Alex Garland Starring: Sonoya Mizuno, Nick Offerman, Jin Ha, Zach Grenier, Stephen McKinley Henderson, Cailee Spaeny, Alison Pill follows "a young computer engineer, Lily [who] investigates the secretive development division of her employer, a cutting-edge tech company based in San Francisco, which she believes is behind the disappearance of her boyfriend." Good Omens (Neil Gaiman, Amazon) six-part television serial based on the 1990 novel Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman. directed by Douglas Mackinnon and written by Gaiman, who will also serve as showrunner. stars David Tennant as the demon Crowley and Michael Sheen as the angel Aziraphale trying to prevent the Apocalypse. Other actors include Jon Hamm, Anna Maxwell Martin, Josie Lawrence, Adria Arjona, Michael McKean, Jack Whitehall, Miranda Richardson and Nick Offerman. What We Do in the Shadows (FX, Spring) Executive producers: Jemaine Clement Taika Waititi Starring: Kayvan Novak, Matt Berry, Natasia Demetriou, Harvey Guillen Set in New York City and follows "three vampires who have been roommates for hundreds and hundreds of years." I Am The Night’ (TNT, January 28th) six-episode limited television series Starring Chris Pine and India Eisley Directed by Patty Jenkins, Victoria Mahoney, Carl Franklin Fauna Hodel, a young girl who was given up by her birth mother, sets out to uncover the secrets of her past and ends up following a sinister trail that swirls closer to a gynecologist involved in the legendary Black Dahlia slaying. “Modern Love” (Amazon, 2019) Written and directed by Sing Street director John Carney Anne Hathaway, Tina Fey, John Slattery, Catherine Keener, Dev Patel, Shea Whigham, Andy Garcia, Olivia Cooke, John Gallagher, Jr., Sofia Boutella Modern Love will explore "love in its multitude of forms – including sexual, romantic, familial, platonic, and self love. “Mrs. Fletcher” (HBO, 2019) Tom Perrotta (leftovers) Kathryn Hahn stars A divorced woman jumpstarts her love life by adopting a sexy new persona and discovers that her world is full of unexpected and sometimes complicated erotic possibilities. “Now Apocalypse” (Starz, Mar. 10) Gregg Araki, Steven Soderbergh,A group of four friends living in L.A. embark on various exploits pursuing love, sex and fame. Directed by Gregg Araki. Starring...no one. (Avan Jogia, Kelli Berglund, Beau Mirchoff, Roxane Mesquida) “The Loudest Voice in the Room”(Showtime, 2019) Tom McCarthy, Jason Blum, starring Russell Crowe, Naomi Watts, Sienna Miller, Simon McBurney, Seth MacFarlane The Loudest Voice in the Room tells the story of Roger Ailes who "molded Fox News into a force that irrevocably changed the conversation about the highest levels of government, will help understand the events that led the rise of Donald Trump. The series focuses primarily on the past decade in which Ailes arguably became the Republican Party's de facto leader, while flashing back to defining events in Ailes’ life, including an initial meeting with Richard Nixon on the set of The Mike Douglas Show that gave birth to Ailes' political career and the sexual harassment accusations and settlements that brought his Fox News reign to an end. Told through multiple points of view, the limited series aims to shed light on the psychology that drives the political process from the top down." “Shrill” (Hulu, Mar. 15) Lorne MichaelsBased on Shrill: Notes from a Loud Woman by Lindy WestStarring Aidy Bryant Lolly Adefope Luka Jones Ian Owens John Cameron Mitchell Julia Sweeney Shrill follows "Annie, described as a fat young woman who wants to change her life — but not her body. Annie is trying to make it as a journalist while juggling bad boyfriends, sick parents and a perfectionist boss, while the world around her deems her not good enough because of her weight. She starts to realize that she’s as good as anyone else, and acts on it. “Snowpiercer” (TNT, 2019) Starring Daveed Diggs and Jennifer ConnellySet seven years after the world became a frozen wasteland, Snowpiercer follows the remnants of humanity who inhabit a gigantic, perpetually moving train that circles the globe. The show questions class warfare, social injustice, and the politics of survival “Turn Up Charlie” (Netflix, March 15) Starring Idris Elba, Piper Perabo and JJ Feild Turn Up Charlie centers on the titular Charlie (Idris Elba), a struggling DJ and eternal bachelor, who is given a final chance at success when he reluctantly becomes a ‘manny’ to his famous best friend’s problem-child daughter, Gabby (Frankie Hervey). “Black Monday” (Showtime, January 20) Starring Don Cheadle, Regina King, Andrew Rannells, produced by Happy Endings creator David Caspe Travel back to October 19, 1987—aka Black Monday, the worst stock market crash in the history of Wall Street. To this day, no one knows who caused it … until now. This is the story of how a group of outsiders took on the blue-blood, old-boys club of Wall Street and ended up crashing the world’s largest financial system, a Lamborghini limousine and the glass ceiling. “Fosse/Verdon” (FX, April) Starring Michelle Williams and Sam Rockwell, produced by Lin-Manuel Miranda Spanning five decades, Fosse/Verdonexplores the singular romantic and creative partnership between Bob Fosse (Sam Rockwell) and Gwen Verdon (Michelle Williams). He is a visionary filmmaker and one of the theater’s most influential choreographers and directors. She is the greatest Broadway dancer of all time. Only Bob can create the groundbreaking musicals that allow Gwen to showcase her greatness. Only Gwen can realize the unique vision in Bob’s head. Together, they will change the face of American entertainment – at a perilous cost. “Whiskey Cavalier” (ABC, February 24) Starring Scott Foley, Lauren Cohan, produced by Bill Lawrence (Scrubs), Jeff Ingold (Rush Hour), David Hemingson (Don’t Trust the B in Apt. 23), directed by Peter Atencio (Key & Peele) Following an emotional breakup, Will Chase (codename: "Whiskey Cavalier"), played by Scott Foley, is assigned to work with badass CIA operative Francesca "Frankie" Trowbridge (codename: "Fiery Tribune"), played by Lauren Cohan. Together, they lead an inter-agency team of flawed, funny and heroic spies who periodically save the world—and each other—while navigating the rocky roads of friendship, romance and office politics. “Tuca and Bertie” (Netflix, TBA) Starring Tiffany Haddish and Ali Wong, produced by Lisa Hanawalt, Raphael Bob-Waksberg, Noel Bright , and Steven A. Cohen, all of Bojack Horseman Two bird women -- a carefree toucan and an anxious songbird -- live in the same apartment building and share their lives in this animated comedy “Top of the Morning” (Apple, TBA) Produced by and starring Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon, also starring Steve Carell, Billy Crudup, Gugu Mbatha-Raw An inside look at the lives of the people who help America wake up in the morning, exploring the unique challenges faced by the women (and men) who carry out this daily televised ritual “The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance” (Netflix TBA) Starring Taron Egerton, Anya Taylor-Joy and Nathalie Emmanuel in the lead roles, and supporting stars Mark Hamill, Mark Strong, Simon Pegg, Natalie Dormer, Gugu Mbatha-Raw, Eddie Izzard, Helena-Bonham Carter and more. Based on The Dark Crystal, Jim Henson’s groundbreaking 1982 feature film, The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistancetells a new epic story, set many years before the events of the movie, and realized using classic puppetry with cutting edge visual effects. The world of Thra is dying. The Crystal of Truth is at the heart of Thra, a source of untold power. But it is damaged, corrupted by the evil Skeksis, and a sickness spreads across the land. When three Gelfling uncover the horrific truth behind the power of the Skeksis, an adventure unfolds as the fires of rebellion are lit and an epic battle for the planet begins. Swamp Thing (DC Universe, May) Produced by James Wan, Mark Verheiden, Gary Dauberman, Michael Clear and Len Wiseman Directed by Len Wiseman Emerging from the swamp with a monstrous physique and strange new powers over plant life, the man who was once Alec Holland struggles to hold onto his humanity. When dark forces converge on the town of Marais, Swamp Thing must embrace what he has become in order to defend the town as well as the natural world at large. Stargirl (DC Universe, September) Starring Brec Bassinger and Joel McHale “Courtney Whitmore (aka Stargirl) is smart, athletic and above all else kind. This high school teenager’s seemingly perfect life hits a major speed bump when her mother gets married and her new family moves from Los Angeles, California, to Blue Valley, Nebraska. Struggling to adapt to a new school, make new friends and deal with a new step-family, Courtney discovers her step-father has a secret; he used to be the sidekick to a superhero. ‘Borrowing’ the long-lost hero’s cosmic staff, Courtney becomes the unlikely inspiration for an entirely new generation of superheroes.” Pennyworth (EPIX, 2019 tba) Produced by Bruno Heller and Danny Cannon Starring Jack Bannon “follows Bruce Wayne’s legendary butler, Alfred Pennyworth, a former British SAS soldier who forms a security company and goes to work with Thomas Wayne, Bruce’s billionaire father, in 1960’s London.” Wizards (Netflix TBA) DreamWorks Animated Created by Guillermo del Toro The heroes of Arcadia join forces in an apocalyptic war for the control of magic that will decide the fate of the entire galaxy. Creepshow (Shudder, TBA) Produced by Greg Nicotero No synopsis yet, but: ““Creepshowis one of the most beloved and iconic horror anthologies from two masters of the genre, George A. Romero and Stephen King,” Shudder general manager Craig Engler added. “We’re thrilled to continue their legacy with another master of horror, Greg Nicotero, as we bring a new CreepshowTV series exclusively to Shudder members.” The Righteous Gemstones (HBO, TBA) Starring Danny McBride/Jody Hill, John Goodman, Edi Patterson, Adam DeVine Produced by Jody Hill and David Gordon Green The Righteous Gemstonesfollows "the world famous Gemstone televangelist family, which has a long tradition of deviance, greed, and charitable work, all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ." The Boys (Amazon, TBA) Dan Trachtenberg directed pilot, Eric Kripke and Rogen/Goldberg produced Starring Karl Urban, Elisabeth Shue, Erin Moriarty, Antony Starr, Dominique McElligott, Jessie T. Usher, Chace Crawford, Nathan Mitchell, Laz Alonso,Karen Fukuhara In a world where superheroes embrace the darker side of their massive celebrity and fame, THE BOYS centers on a group of vigilantes known informally as “The Boys,” who set out to take down corrupt superheroes with no more than their blue-collar grit and a willingness to fight dirty. THE BOYS is a fun and irreverent take on what happens when superheroes – who are as popular as celebrities, as influential as politicians and as revered as Gods – abuse their superpowers rather than use them for good. It’s the powerless against the super powerful as The Boys embark on a heroic quest to expose the truth about “The Seven,” and Vought – the multi-billion dollar conglomerate that manages these superheroes. THE BOYS is scheduled for a 2019 release. Carnival Row (Amazon TBA) Travis Beacham, starring Orlando Bloom Produced by Travis Beacham and Rene Echevarria Carnival Row will follow "mythical creatures who have fled their war-torn homeland and gathered in the city as tensions are simmering between citizens and the growing immigrant population. At the center of the drama is the investigation into a string of unsolved murders, which are eating away at whatever uneasy peace still exists.” “Too Old to Die Young” (Amazon, 2019) Written and produced by Nicolas Winding Refn and Ed Brubaker Directed by Refn starring Miles Teller, Billy Baldwin, Jena Malone, John Hawkes Too Old to Die Youngfollows "a grieving police officer who, along with the man who shot his partner, finds himself in an underworld filled with working-class hit men, Yakuza soldiers, cartel assassins sent from Mexico, Russian mafia captains and gangs of teen killers." Warrior (Cinemax, TBA) Created by Jonathan Tropper and Justin Lin Inspired by an idea from Bruce Lee, Warrioris “set at the times of the Tong Wars in the late 1800s in San Francisco” and “follows a martial arts prodigy originating in China who moves to San Francisco and ends up becoming a hatchet man for the most powerful tong in Chinatown.” “Y” (FX, 2019) Starring Diane Lane, Barry Keoghan, Imogen Poots, Lashana Lynch, Juliana Canfield and Marin Ireland. Based on the DC comic book series Y: The Last Man by Brian K Vaughn and Pia Guerrera, Yis set in “a post-apocalyptic world in which a cataclysmic event has decimated every male mammal save for one lone human. The new world order of women will explore gender, race, class and survival." “Les Miserables” (PBS, April 14) Starring Dominic West, David Oyelowo, Lily Collins, Olivia Colman, David Bradley. Six-part BBC TV adaptation of Victor Hugo's classic novel which “follows Jean Valjean as he evades capture by the unyielding Inspector Javert. Set against a backdrop of post-Napoleonic France as unrest beings to grip the city of Paris once more.” “Lovecraft Country” (HBO, 2019) Produced by Jordan Peele’s Monkeypaw Productions and exec produced by Misha Green, J. J. Abrams, and Ben Stephenson. Based on the novel of the same name by Matt Ruff, Lovecraft Country follows "Atticus Black as he joins up with his friend Letitia and his Uncle George to embark on a road trip across 1950s Jim Crow America in search of his missing father. This begins a struggle to survive and overcome both the racist terrors of white America and the terrifying monsters that could be ripped from a Lovecraft paperback." ‘Catch-22’ (Hulu, 2019) Starring Christopher Abbot, Kyle Chandler, George Clooney, Hugh Laurie, produced by Clooney. Catch-22 is described by Hulu as "the story of the incomparable, artful dodger, Yossarian, a US Air Force bombardier in World War II who is furious because thousands of people he has never met are trying to kill him. But his real problem is not the enemy, but rather his own army which keeps increasing the number of missions the men must fly to complete their service. Yet if Yossarian makes any attempt to avoid his military assignments, he’ll be in violation of Catch-22, a hilariously sinister bureaucratic rule which specifies that a concern for one’s own safety in the face of dangers which are real and immediate is the process of a rational mind; a man is considered insane if he willingly continues to fly dangerous combat missions, but a request to be removed from duty is evidence of sanity and therefore makes him ineligible to be relieved from duty." ‘Central Park Five’ (Netflix, 2019) Created byAva DuVernay Starring Michael K. Williams, Vera Farmiga & John Leguizamo. “Based on a true story that gripped the nation, the four-episode series will chronicle the notorious case of five teenagers of color who were convicted of a rape they did not commit.” Spans from spring of 1989, when each were first questioned about the incident, to 2014 when they were exonerated and a settlement was reached with the city of New York. Living With Yourself (Netflix, 2019) Created by Timothy Greenberg Starring Paul Rudd who also executive produces Living With Yourself begins when "George Elliot is burned out and facing an impasse in both his personal and professional life. When he undergoes a novel treatment to become a better person, he finds he’s been replaced by a new and improved George — revealing that his own worst enemy is himself. Told from multiple perspectives with intersecting storylines, the philosophical comedy asks: Do we really want to be better?" Four Weddings And A Funeral (Hulu, 2019) Created by Mindy Kaling Starring Jessica Williams Inspired by the 1994 British romantic comedy film, Four Weddings and a Funeral centers on Jess (Williams), the young communications director for a New York senatorial campaign, who receives a wedding invitation from her college schoolmate now living in London. She leaves her professional and personal life behind, in favor of traveling to England and reconnecting with old friends and ends up in the midst of their personal crises. Relationships are forged and broken, political scandals exposed, London social life lampooned, love affairs ignited and doused, and of course there are four weddings… and a funeral. Untitled Picard Spin-off (CBS All Access) Created by Alex Kurtzman Starring Patrick Stewart The continuing adventures of Captain Jean-Luc Picard, whose life was radically altered due to the destruction of the Romulan home world in the 2009 Star Trek reboot movie. The Politician (Netflix) Created by Ryan Murphy Starring Ben Platt, Jessica Lange, Gwenyth Paltrow, Zoey Deutch, Lucy Boynton Hour-long comedy with social commentary – the series follows the political aspirations of a wealthy Santa Barbara resident, with each season focusing on a different political race the lead is in. The Twilight Zone (CBS All Access) Created by Jordan Peele Hosted & Narrated by Peele, Starring Adam Scott, Kumail Nanjiani, John Cho, Allison Tolman, Jacob Tremblay, Jessica Williams The Act (Hulu, Mar. 20) Created by Michelle Dean and Nick Antosca Starring Patricia Arquette, Joey King, Chloë Sevigny, AnnaSophia Robb True crime anthology series. First season follows "Gypsy Blanchard, a girl trying to escape the toxic relationship she has with her overprotective mother. Her quest for independence opens a Pandora’s box of secrets, one that ultimately leads to murder." City on a Hill (Showtime, 2019) Created by Chuck MacLean, executive produced by Ben Affleck and Matt Damon Starring Kevin Bacon, Aldis Hodge Set in the early 1990s Boston, rife with violent criminals emboldened by local law enforcement agencies in which corruption and racism was the norm. In this fictional account, assistant district attorney Decourcy Ward (Hodge) arrives from Brooklyn and forms an unlikely alliance with a corrupt yet venerated FBI veteran, Jackie Rohr (Bacon). Together, they take on a family of armored car robbers from Charlestown in a case that grows to involve, and ultimately subvert, the entire criminal justice system of Boston. Hanna (Amazon, March 2019) Created by David Farr (who co-wrote the movie) Starring Esme Creed-Miles, Joel Kinnaman, Mireille Enos Based on the 2011 movie starring Saoirse Ronan. Equal parts high-concept thriller and coming-of-age drama, Hannafollows the journey of an extraordinary young girl, Hanna (Creed-Miles), as she evades the relentless pursuit of an off-book CIA agent and tries to unearth the truth behind who she is. Doom Patrol (DC Universe, Feb 15) Created by Jeremy Carver Starring Brendan Fraser, Alan Tudyk, Timothy Dalton, Diane Guerrero, April Bowlby Set after the events of Titans, the Doom Patrol – consisting of Robotman, Negative Man, Elasti-Woman, and Crazy Jane, and led by Dr. Niles Caulder/The Chief – receives a mission from Cyborg that they cannot ignore and will change their lives. All the other stuff you need to know: You can find more about all the stories we mentioned on today’s show at slashfilm.com, and linked inside the show notes. /Film Daily is published every weekday, bringing you the most exciting news from the world of movies and television as well as deeper dives into the great features from slashfilm.com. 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The Lasting Trauma of the North Bay Fires
Support for this podcast comes From Compass real estate where your home is our mission pairing, the bay area's top agents with technology to make the home buying and selling experience smart and seamless search homes at compass dot com, or download the compass mobile app. You're listening to queued up. I'm Jeremy Siegel in for Ryan Levy this the moment to. Brand us lost his life on the verge earlier this week, firefighters battling the devastating car fire in Shasta county gathered for their morning briefing just after sunrise. They went through current conditions on the fire line, talked about weather patterns. They should keep an eye out for and they also held a moment of silence. For Brian Hughes, he was the captain of an elite national parks firefighting crew used died last Sunday while he was working to prevent the Ferguson fire from destroying buildings in the community of Yosemite, west. All and it does anybody here that knows Brian were bright since is so new. Just want to let you know that if you're affected feeling that's Michael Ming, he heads up Cal fire's peer support services and he's leading firefighters know that there are people there to listen to them. When I spoke to Ming after the morning briefing, I asked him what it's like for firefighters when they lose one of their colleagues. I think about my family. I've been doing this for twenty seven years, and I've sacrificed a lot of summers and now it's year round here in California, but I've sacrifice a lot of summers away from my family. And so when something happens as tragic as this, my first dog goes to my family and I and I give them a call. I let them know that I'm okay. And they let me know that they're. These wildfires, they can have a major impact on people and not just firefighters. Some of the fires burning across the state right now are pretty close to places that have recently burned like Santa Rosa and for people who survived last October's, massive firestorm there. It can be terrifying to smell smoke again to hear helicopters flying overhead to see orange tinted, hazy, skies cake you. It is Leslie mcclurg has more. The view from Daniel Bryan's window is pretty unsettling the orange tinge skies just enough for me to set off my anxiety and feelings of fear last year on October eighth and explosion, jolted Bryant awake in the middle of the night. She says, howling winds shook the house and the air was hot. She and her husband jumped in our car and fled with just the clothes on their backs. We're running for our life at that point. It was starting to sink in that we were running for our lives. When they return the next day, the street was desolate. The air reeked of burnt chemicals homes were charred rubble. The fire destroyed thousands of houses and killed forty three people. We were victims to one of the most terrible events in history. For the past year, Bryant has struggled with many symptoms of trauma sleeplessness, nightmares, irritability, loss of appatite agitation. So quick to education. Hence the fight that I got in there with my husband. It was a fight about nothing. She says she blew up after watching the news about all the fires on television. She hasn't turned the TV on since and she says, a lot of people are going through the same thing and you can just feel it. There's a sense of tension here in Santa Rosa. Bryant is now living in a temporary apartment about a mile away from our old house. She still really working through a lot of what happened. These last ten months have been one of the hardest. It is the hardest time of my life because what you have to do after an event like this is you have to go on living. So just living becomes the hard part leaving everything behind acceptance, grief during especially hard times Bryant, founder self-driving to the empty lot where she used to live. He was like visiting a grave site. So it was a place to just come and be and to cry. She takes me over to see the ruins. And as she's backing out of a parking spot, she pauses and takes a deep breath just seeing the smoke off to the east. I get the sense of dread. Oh, no, not again as we drive down her old street in the Coffey park neighborhood, we passed the skeleton of a rusty sedan still parked in a pile of ash. This was definitely the hardest hit neighborhood. You can still see some of the trees that are still standing. Their trunks are burnt. But the suburb is also coming back to life. Construction crews are framing new homes. You can see our street sign. Bryant carefully treads through some weeds and knee high bushes. See this, this outline this box that was it. That was our home. She crouches down and then puts her head in her hands and just takes a moment. After a few minutes, she stands up next door. Crane drops a pile of plywood beams all over the ground. Little green, shoots or pushing through the blackened decay. This green is hopeful to me. This is just a sign that nature comes back and his forgiving and that we can live on. We can come back. We drive back to the apartment to help process her grief. Bryant is taking a writing class. I have three pieces. She says it's therapeutic to put painful memories into words, grief breathing into my bones of lead it stuck there in the deep. Was it all a dream after we were refugees? I remember swimming at a hotel and Healdsburg floating in abundant blue. A cool bomb, a boon in a strange town, not home, nothing of ours known, but this little box of a room kept us from sinking. When she's seeing smoke and getting panic these days, Bryant tries to stay grounded by taking a deep breath and focusing on the present moment. She's taking it one day at a time as they rebuild their lives and their home in. Is there any part of you that's questioning living in the same place. Yes, that was something that we, it was very mixed because it is going back to the place of trauma, but it's also going back to our home. base to Leslie McLaren with science team for bringing us that story. If you want to read more about California's, wildfires go to Kate news dot org, and if you like you'd up, you can subscribe to the show and give us a rating and review in apple podcasts. I'm Jeremy Siegel. Thanks for listening. Hey, if you like you'd up another podcast you should check out is baked curious each week. They answer listener question like, can you really go to jail for picking California's state flower? Find bake curious wherever you get your podcasts.
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How Central Park Works
Hey, everyone, you know, sometimes things don't go your way. But what really matters of the choices you make when the odds are against you. There's a new show on our network called the brink in host aerial Casten. Jonathan Strickland share the stories of entrepreneurs who took a bold step without really, knowing if solid ground would be on the other side. It's pretty great. You can learn about how a refugee from Vietnam turned a door to door business into a chili sauce empire about that. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome stuff. You should know from how stuff works dot com. Hey, invoking to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with Charles w Chuck Brighton. Jerry rolling over there. This is stuff. You should know. Was that a real staredown? Yeah. Jerry, Jerry, one because I was like I'm time for this any longer. That's pretty funny because this just sort of all the three of us. You guys are having staredown over nothing. You just over there. Grumpy like, KOMO gluco. I was just doing my saying. And then all I heard from you as nice job, Jerry. So like, you could see it share you gave it to her. I mean, Jerry one my friend, Billy the one who passed away from MS s that I talked about he and I used to do staring contest. But it was a certain face. We had to make okay, and you had to not laugh that was our steering contract. So we both make the certain face that he invented in the first one was to break in laugh, which was always me. Can you can I see the face? No, okay. That's fine. I've retired. I understand. Okay. Well, thanks for the story. Oh, by the way, very special listener mail coming up today everyone stick around for that. Whoa. Sarah, the amazing eleven-year-old fan. Eleven and he's reappeared everybody gosh, so delightful to hear from her. All right. So well, let's just get through this then central park central park. It's huge New York. In New York. It square. It's Rick Tanggula, Charles. All right. So let's talk about New York in. Between eighteen twenty one and eighteen fifty five. All right. The population of New York grew four times its size over that thirty four year period from fifteen people to sixty and they were crowded and people started moving further and further north like I like that was a funny joke. I just made. But you just said that the population of New York quadrupled over thirty years now thirty four years, and, you know, New York started at the south as far as people living there and kept going further and further north and Manhattan wise shirt to New York state come on. No, nobody Brooklyn to and poughkeepsie. No, no, sure. All the boroughs, the we're talking about the island of Manhattan, right? And things got so crowded that people would gather in scimitar Aries to socialize. Yeah. Those really weird. So we've talked about that before we like, I don't remember what episode was, but we saw this stuff. It might be ways or something park pizza. It might have been tombstones or something because we talked about cemeteries being designed to be park like because people will go have picnics and some men and be so all the material that has to do with central park makes it sound like that's all they had available where cemeteries if they wanted to go hang out and have picnics and Greenspace. Yeah. It was involuntary. Or if it was designed that way, you're both. But yeah, they it was either a a tenement or a commercial district or the cemetery. That was what you had if you were outdoors. Yeah. And I think I think it's not in silly. That's all you had. But like, maybe all you had that was close in accessible, sure. Like the cemetery is, you know, six blocks from my apartment, right? And also as you will learn much of. Mm not northern Manhattan. But yeah. Counting northern Manhattan, central Manhattan. Right. Where central park now is was gross swampland swampy rocky. You're not you're hanging out there. Anyway. Yeah. Forget the eighteen twenties. Let's go back to point six million years ago. Chuck, oh, there was an ice sheet over New York state that was two miles thick and it just so happened to terminate the termination edge the bowl the edge of it. Sure. Light went right through the bottom of Manhattan went through Brooklyn. And actually like all the heights and hills in in Brooklyn, that's because a that's actual hills right because glacier, pushed the ground up there. Because that's where it stopped growing forward. But as the glaciers were moving down south from the north they were pushing boulders and rocks and stones everywhere, and where they ended up and then finally retreated from they left all that stuff. We why they're bold. Others in central park. There used to be a lot more boulders. They're so much. So that the lane was just basically considered virtually unusable. Yeah. They weren't that area was not being developed anyway, which may it made it a a difficult task. But it made it sort of the only place if he wanted to build a seven hundred plus acre park that was kind of the place to go, right? And so they did want to build a park because again, if you wanted to go outside and hang out and have a picnic yet to go to Greenwood cemetery in Brooklyn that was basically it. So the people who were living in New York wanted this. But then also the upper society, I guess the super wealthy. Yeah. We're like, yeah. Yeah. This'll put our town on the map, man. London's got high park. Paris has won all the great cities have a great park. But there's not one in the United States. Let's build it in New York. Yes. You know, that was was later like initially. There was no call for a park. I mean, it took forty or fifty years. Years of lots of inhabitants to to get this idea. The original city plan in eighteen eleven had no mention of any park, but for you city planning nerds. I know, you know, this already if you're sending planning nerd, but John Randall junior he was the man who laid out that the grid for New York City, very famously Esau documentary on it, a really, yeah, it's amazing. He drove these iron. I believe iron bolts into the ground with his fingers his bare hands it was a surveying bolt. And it was to map out that that grid like every block. Can't you see one still there's one in central park that they found that don't think they found any other ones in central park, but it had nothing to do with central part? Because this is like a good fifty sixty years before they even thought of forty years before they even thought of central it was like, maybe this is part of the grid street grid. Yeah. So there's one in a boulder that I mean, I'm not gonna say where it is. Oh, you got to go find. Well. That's they try to keep it on the down low as far as the actual GPS coordinates. These people that hunted it down and found it to think a Speakeasy, but sorta. Stumps Bolton stone, and you will become the king of New York if you can pull it out, you should not dare nothing should be there for attorney. But there's there's supposedly more of them. And there are people that go around try and find these is kind of neat. Yeah. It is neat. So I guess I am a city planning at heart. I have to say I came across the great site called ephemeral, New York that documents like all the New York that's been lost and built over and changed over time. That's cool. They have a great website go check it out. 'cause we got some some good stuff from them for this episode. All right. So where we left off before my nerdy. Segue. Was you were talking about wealthy New Yorker saying we wanna park there's a more cynical view that was we wanna park in. That would also greatly increase increase the land value around the park, right where we own houses. Yeah. Because just like today the area around central park was very well heeled. While in some places, right and other places not at all in the place where this were what central park is. Now, there was a lot of very low income people living there, so you have very rich people surrounding very low income people, which I'm guessing made the low income people very nervous and eventually justifiably so because the low income people are the ones who had to move to make the park initially for the rich people she go and talk about that what Seneca village. Yeah in well, they're Sinica village. And then they're largely Irish and German immigrants incentive ca village. Well, and all over Seneca village is only one small part of of this immigrant housing that was sort of around the park that of course, when you know, you know, what imminent domain is if the city wants to build the park there. They're going to get that land one way or the other. Yeah. The New York legislature the state legislature said, Yep. New York City, you can exercise them into main over that and take whatever lane. And do you want? You got to pay him fair market value, which is up for debate. If it was actually fair, but those people have to move whether they like it or not, right? So Seneca village was. Founded in eighteen twenty five there was a couple in eighteen twenty four named John Elizabeth Whitehead who bought no they owned farmland. Oh, okay. All right. I thought they don't the land for a long time. Now, they bought farmland between eighty second eighth street and then between eighteen twenty five and eighteen thirty two started selling it off. Okay. And they sold fifty parcels of that land half of which went to people of African descent, which was very unusual at the time to say, the least it was. And so like basically out of this out of the sale of lots over this period of time, the Seneca village started very quickly. The the people who live there built a house or a school churches couple churches houses, and like this village developed this community of so there's a couple of things I was remarkable about Seneca village one. These were African American landowners, which was very unusual at the time because even at this time slavery was still on the books legal in New York. And these were freed or unin slaved African Americans who owned land which men if they own two hundred and fifty dollars worth of land. They could vote which would have made them like like there were a hundred African Americans could vote at this time because that's how that's how how few of them actually owned land ten percent of those people lived in Seneca village, really unusual spot. But it was also an usual because it was a place where African Americans and European settlers or European immigrants live together like lived in this community together. Yeah. But should say y'all said to jump through certain other hoops to vote wasn't quite as simple as owning land. Because that would be I guess too easy for them back then which was as to say, not easy at all. But they still said, no, there's some other things you still gotta do to vote. Sure, we mentioned the other stuff too and big shoutout to Andrew William. He was the first man of African descent who bought. Land that would become Seneca village in September eighteen twenty five, but like you said it was Irish and German immigrants moved in there as well. And they were welcomed in. It was biology counts a multicultural society that got along well with one another when to the same church. Yeah. That's enormous. Pretty amazing buried in the same graveyard. There was a midwife there who lived in the village and she delivered babies of any ethnicity or race. Yeah. No one knows why it's called Sinica village on most maps is known as your Bill. I thought that was a different place that the York field people moved up to Seneca village after they got moved out. Well, your fill that was another Yorktown. Oh, that's what I'm thinking. But this was on maps as your Ville. And no one knows if it was a distortion of Senegal or if it might have been code for the underground railroad. It's another theory. Another theory is that it was derogatory somehow because areas where? African immigrants would live. They would call a bad names of just whatever I see. So who knows no one knows for sure where Seneca village came from the name at least go to was interesting. So sounds like Seneca villages. Great. It was it must have had fortune smiling on it throughout it's time. Right. Not true now. So setting village was in the way of the proposed park. Right. So let's get we'll just go ahead and cut to the chase here. Seneca village was they had to move which is sad because the community ended then when the when the state and the city moved in and said, this is this a city Leonel. You guys will have to move here. Some money for your land the community broke up. It didn't resettle a reform elsewhere. It was like ephemeral like that ephemeral New York site. It was it lasted for a few decades. Yeah. He knows peaceful and harmonious, and then it was gone because they had to move to make way for central park. Yeah. It took a couple of years of fighting the law. But eventually the law one out, and it was a this called in this article a violent clearing of Seneca village, like basically sent cops in there with their batons and like physically removed two people. Yeah. And there was a a big kind of media blitz in favor of moving everybody out. They were you know, derided as a shanty town of squatters and stuff like that. Yeah. Despite the fact that most of the people who live there are a lot of people who live their own their land in their houses and head for decades. Then they were they had just as much right to be there as anybody else, but the popular opinion of the public at the time was they were just squatting, and they should be forced to move. And it was totally justifiable that come in with police baton to clear them off the land in two thousand eleven that sort of weird silver lining is the institute for the exploration of Seneca village history. Got permission after ten years of trying. The central park conservancy to excavate a couple of sites in the village. And they went in there and excavated excavated two different homesites in on one. They found some artifacts. But it was clear that it had been already buried under central park. Whatever we've been built central park. Right. They they'd already dug it up when they did. Yeah. Yeah. The other one though was original. And they found the original soil of Seneca village at the former yard of Nancy more. Yeah. For t- neat, and they have two hundred and fifty bags of material to analyze now and soil samples and some artifacts to see what life was really like back, then so pretty cool. So they better get to it. That's right. I want we take a break. And then come back and talk about the puck K. Is it in Boston New? Yeah. What happened there? Hi, Steffi Chanel listeners. It's me, Josh. And I've just released a new ten part podcast series. It's called the end of the world with Josh Clark. It explores some very big questions. Like are we alone in the universe? And if we are alone. Why is that where we always alone or do the other intelligent life die off? And if that's the case does that mean, we will to it's kind of like humanity is woken up in the universe. In realized that we don't know where we are how we got here. Yes. It does sound like it might be a bit of a Downer. 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William Cullen Bryant was one of the big names who edited the Evening Post, which is now the New York Post, and he was a well known poet at the time in a beloved figure, but he definitely used the post as a platform to advocate for this Greenspace. Now, again, there's a lot of understanding in this day in age that the wealthiest New Yorkers wanted this park for themselves, basically. Yes, they wanted their new city that they had built to two rival Paris or London and needed a park. They wanted to go show off their carriages in the park, but they also advocated publicly for the park for the the working classes the middle class. They should have a place to to come and hang out in this. You know, this is America. Of course, everyone will be well. Adam it's a public park. It will be America's first landscaped public park. And so people really kinda got on board with this in by eighteen though that was kind of ally it was at least at first, but by eighteen fifty three I believe work started. There was a central park that had been designated land been designated for the central park by then right, right? And they had a contest a believe it was the first design contest in the country. A lot of firsts that said designer park. You gotta have a parade ground. Gotta principal fountain. Right. Gotta have a lookout tower got a skating arena. Sure got four cross streets K because people still gotta get through there somehow and in a palace. I'm sorry place for or Palestine not for an exhibition or a concert hall. Right. Very specific rules for this design contest. That. That was won by two gentlemen. Very famous now gentleman named Frederick law own stead and Calvert Vaux, I'm gonna VO. Okay. B U X. Yeah. Vow Vour VO, but definitely not vox vow. Always silent. Yeah. Those two submitted something called the greensward plan, and they won like that name and they won for a couple of reasons. One. Frederick law own stead was the superintendent of central park at the time probably didn't hurt. No. But he wasn't a shoe. And I believe his boss. I can't remember what position is boss would have had his boss submitted a plan to apparently, he invo they're playing this greens were plan that they submitted was just so obviously head and shoulders above every other design that was submitted that it was just clear like from the outset. Yes. These guys should win. And it was considered a a a work of art still to this day. Although they actually went onto design prospect park in Brooklyn lovely that's supposedly they're masterpiece over central park is prospect park. I mean, I love them both. Yeah. They're both great. I've never been to either of them. That's not true. No. I swear to God. I've never I park with you before. But I mean what? So okay, I walked like fifteen paces in central park. Right. It was just like we weren't in there for. Along right. That's that's really the only. Yes, I've never been in prospect park. Boy, I have explored. There's so much of it. But I bet you I've explored seventy five percent of the bottom fifty percent of central park. Well, I haven't been over like eighty sixth street a lot north of that. But that's where it gets a little more wild anyway. And that wild like the parties. But a little more little more wild as far as the design goes. Well, they're purposely. Yes, right. Okay. I'm glad you said perfectly because supposedly the bottom half of central park. So the part of the park itself has meant to vote New York state the bottom ham is much more urban refined trimmed I dunno. Sure. And it's been to reflect New York City, then as you get further up in the park. It's a little more wild. There's parties and coyotes all you know, poughkeepsie you've never been to Bethesda fountain. I don't believe I have I've seen ever been old house. Gating rink so many episodes of order I can't distinguish reality from fantasy. Oh, man. I'm like, I'm going into my memory. I'm like, okay. You're right is Lennie Briscoe standing there. So TV I've never seen an episode of that. So I guess we're even. Yeah. The show you've never seen an episode of the ten thousand episodes of law and order now. Oh, you're missing out, Chris noth, and what was Prisco's name Jerry Orbach, those two. Yeah. Benjamin Bratt was a close second to the Chris. No, Jerry Orbach thing. And then it just keeps going on like they were so good at all of them were just a mania. But yeah, a lot of stuff took place in central park. So I feel like I've been there. Here's what you do Minh. Next time. We go to New York. I know that we typically stay downtown stay up by the park. Well, let's just like get out in it. I've developed a taste for the Upper West side. But but but not the park. Right. You're so close I will go out. I'll take a hillock up. Out of my way, I like Lower East Side and Upper West side of my two favorites in New York Hatton. Interesting. Yeah. What you like lower side. I like it. All man. Oh, I mean, my very favorite part of New York York's the west village for shows. Nice. But I like the recited like it in the east village, still grungy. Is there such a thing as the lower west side Wall Street now like well? I mean, Wall Street's all the way down, but I would say like. I mean, I don't think it's called the lower west side. But like the meatpacking district. Okay. Yeah. Like like the high line. That's probably lower west side. Really great. Art galleries in the meat pack. Yeah. Oh, man play. When I first started going, New York that was when it was still shady of there, and like you would walk through like blocks and blocks of industrial meatpacking plants to get to the one bar that was opened the known art of Giuliani came in different clean, the place up. Well, just thank God for him. Right. So the design of central park greensward. Oh, yeah. Like if so much information to go right now should this two parter. I don't know let me ask you has our podcast gotten more conversational. This question aside. Hesitant. I don't know. Okay. I think we've always been conversational. Yeah. But I mean like, this seems like a pinnacle of conversation all let me say this. I think episodes one through four fifty or less conversations than four fifty through twelve hundred. Okay. But what about what about twelve hundred on? I don't know. All right. The greensward plan. If you didn't know anything about central park, you may be under the misconception that they just sort of squared it off in rake some things around and and it was like there's the park, right? And like, let's just protect the screen space. But it was highly highly highly designed, oh, yeah. And apparently, they used as much explosives as would later be used at the battle of Gettysburg supposedly more to blast away rock and move that rock can remember the glacier that moved all that down. That's a big problem when you're trying to build a park. Like planted hundreds of thousands of trees swamps that they couldn't drain they build in further to build like. Yeah. So it was and I don't think anyone really thinks that like, oh, they just walled it up and said now we have a park. But I don't think I even realized how highly it was designed, and which is probably a testament to their design because when you walk around your dislike it all fits, right? That's I mean, that's the thing. Like, they're they went to a lot of trouble to make it look so naturalistic that you just assume that that's what the land always look for and central park is actually highly managed highly designed Greenspace yet exists in rectangle that when you're in the center of it from my from what I've seen in order. You can't tell that. You're you're like in the middle of the city and that like, the the the roads, none of them are straight. They're all meant to curve. There's meadows that kind of like. Go out of sight, and there's woods the ramble like the whole would walk and all that all of its designed to just completely take you out of the city and plop you into this this world, but it's just so well done in so natural that it seems like that's just what this patch of land. Always looked like well in cool that like even in an era today where that land is the most valuable land on the planet. Maybe that they have protected those eight hundred plus acres now and said, you're not I don't care how much money you have. You're not gonna LOP off. Just no I don't we started at ninety fifth street instead. Right. Then like, what's it gonna hurt? Just we could really use that area. But no is protected. Did you hear like the dude badeah two hundred and fifty eight million dollar penthouse on central park? Yeah. So yeah, I can't imagine house right ever sold in America in America. Yeah. So but says the mountain before we relieve that beautiful beautiful. The phone work of art yet with terrorists it is a two tiered. Let's kind of on the cool things like it sits low, and you can walk from from the top half of it and just kind of gays out upon that in the pond right behind it. And then walk down the stairs and here live music almost every day of the week. It feels like, but that was designed by Emma. Stebbins in America artists was called the angel of the waters. She was awarded that commission very famous sculptor. And we gotta gotta acknowledge her. Sure, it's beautiful when one of my favorite places in the world. I've seen it. They found a body there. So I feel like I've been to the John Lennon memorial heels you or was it with you me. 'cause I'm almost one hundred percent certain that I've been to that. I don't know. Because the only time I definitely was in central park with you will we went with a former co worker who can a baby us on an early marketing trip. Sure, remember that person. Yeah. That's the only time it was with us. Which would explain why you tried to block it from your memory? We go to strawberry fields. I don't remember. Well, then I believe I have been another time, and it would have been with you me. Then I think we did not cause if I remember correctly, it was more. Like, this other person was just like we can we get a pretzel that kind of thing. Margining? All right. So back to the design before we get to the building. They needed those four roads. Yeah. This is the big one which was huge because stead invo they sank there roads. Eight feet below the surface of the park, which really doesn't completely hide them. But they use trees and things to sort of obscure these roads. So it wouldn't just be like this another just straight, you know, cross street, right? And it really blends nicely with the park. And in fact, one of the lovelier things you can do is drive through the park. I saw that. I didn't even know that you, but I wanna Google street view of the road. And I was like, oh, yeah. Totally. I get it. Now. Like, I I got it from reading it. But then I was like my understanding this correctly. And yes, there are sunken roads through the park, which is another reason why olmstead invo one because like a so a couple other designs that I saw one was all the continents in meadow form. Oh, interesting. Okay. Interesting. But also. Terrible. And then somebody just draw drew a pyramid on a piece of paper. Apparently was like boom. There's my there's my submission. So like, they didn't have the most competition, but way, again when they were like, sunken, roads, meadows and stuff like that. It was it was very clear that they had the right vision. You know, the movie Arthur the deadly Moore movie. Yeah, they drive to the park in the beginning of that movie because he says Dr the puck vitim, and you know, I love Jerry's laughing. You know, I love the puck. Yeah. D- me. Russell brand. You know husband was in that one. That's right. I never saw it couldn't do it. I saw the Heisman part just queued that up. No. I just went to the movies waited went in watched Hodgman. Twenty thousand workers worked on central park Irish labourers German gardeners. Stone native Stonecutters native-born Stonecutters and. What does say how many? Yeah. Two hundred seventy thousand trees in trubs were planted. Yep. They move at the beginning. They moved like six million cubic feet of earth in out. That's crazy. Yeah. Just the the number of trees, and shrubs that were planted just mind boggling, and it was extremely expensive to there was something like a five million dollar price tag just to acquire the land. Yeah. Supposedly that's three times higher than what they projected the actual park was going to cost. Yeah. So that's like a hundred and fifty million dollars today, man. This is at a time when you know that was a that was a bunch of money to bash. But it was also I believe there's a financial panic that really made people say like, what's this is a crazy amount of money. What are we doing? But they pressed on the civil war broke out during during this the conduction, and so construction kind of tapered off for a while. And they went and fought the war, then everybody came back, and when they came back, they brought with them an understanding of explosives so that they were able to blow away rock a lot more easily than they were a war. If for sure and there is a of false rumor or a myth that is that what bridges at one of them was supposedly made of cannonballs. Yeah. The heart bridge. I can't remember what it was something bow bridge. Vo bridge the bow bridge is that the bow bridge. Yeah. It was supposedly up until like nineteen seventy four like every book. You could read said they had giant cannibals at his found at as as its foundation has like ball bearings. Because it was like expanded in contract. It so much because of the winters. No cannibals don't they did a renovation on it. So they're building this thing. They finally in eighteen fifty nine in the winter of eighteen fifty nine is when it first opened for public use and by eighteen sixty five that park received more than seven million visitors a year as a lot. But like you said that we need to follow up on it. I they had a bunch of rules in place that. Kind of kept it for the wealthier New Yorkers for sure. So like the history of central park is actually a history of class struggle in New York big time. And when it when it opened initially it was kind of like, thanks for the park chumps the taxpayer money. Yeah. And it was like if there was any kind of vent herb or orchestra band or anything like that it took place from Monday to Saturday because if you were labor if you're part of the working class the only day of the week, you had off was Sunday carriages were very much welcomed, and they made up something like fifty or sixty percent of the visitors arrived in carriages yet in the first decade. Fifty percent were in carriages. But like five percent of New Yorkers were wealthy enough to afford care. That says it all right? Exactly. So basically, it was kind of like a stay out kind of thing. They had a ban on group picnics. Yeah. That was a big ones though. Like, all these, you know, big immigrant. Families that love to get together. In large groups. None of that. Couldn't do it. Go to the cemetery. You couldn't ride around in a work cart? So like, yeah. Like if you had a high struck. Yeah. Sorry. Like you wanted to put your family in it to take him out for a Sunday drive note. None of those you had a nice carriage. So they're always all these rules that were enforced for a little while. And then finally the rest of New York, the other New Yorkers said, this is B S. Yeah. Let's let's loosen these up a little bit and they finally petitioned for some changes in central park. Finally in the eighteen seventies became a true public park. Yes. Like little by little us. When it started to ease on some of these rules, apparently olmstead was not a fan of children traipsing all over the grass. So he would have been none too pleased with family picnics and all of it on the. Great lawn. Yeah. Obviously that changed over the years as well. And since you know, mid eighteen seventy five in on it's been a series of progressive minded, people that have opened up the park in democratized it decades and decades, but it's also been kind of this push and pull like, okay how much for the people? Should we add some like a swimming pool? Yeah. Or like some like should we put the baseball stadium here? That was a proposal at one point in time. And they're like, no, let's not let's not go that far toward the people by softball fields said, okay? Maybe one or two those and then it would kind of go back. You know, like, no the people who screwed it up a little bit. So let's take it over and and make up some more rules, and it just keeps going back and forth. Yeah. Tween too much for the people, and the people are taking it for granted to too strict, and we need to kind of loosen it up a little bit just kind of went back and forth like that. And it's still doing that today. Yeah. And also, I think like. The the greens word plan was so revered it was sort of like the constitution. It was like for decades and decades, they would go back to that original plan and think about like, well, this isn't what they intended right? Yeah. Progressive sort of got on board. We're like, well, we can actually alter this. All right. Keep the spirit of the park and just make it more accessible because softball fields or great. There's a really good example of all this in the casino story. Yeah. So there is this thing called the ladies refreshment saloon. I think there was an original Calvert Vaux building one of the buildings. He built it looks like in upstate New York cottage. Very like a wealthy person's cottage house in New York is beautiful little house and originally if you're a woman who was unescorted by a man to central park. This is the place you could go and get a drink and relax chill out because no men were allowed. It was just the the ladies refreshment saloon, right? And then overtime men started to be allowed in it became like an actual restaurant. And then in the twenties, I think New York got a mayor who is basically a gangster named Jimmy wa-. Walker gentlemen, Jimmy Walker and he was not Jimmy Walker. No, not different Jimmy walk. Yeah. And he was super in favor of Speakeasy and gambling all this stuff. And he helped make the casino or the this refreshment saloon into what was known as the casino. There wasn't actual gambling there. But it was like the hottest nightclub in New York was in this original eighteen sixties building in central park. Yeah. He said, let's take the ladies refreshment salon and make it the opposite of that. Right. Exactly. And so during the day, it was a restaurant that was open to all. But it was basically like a Neiman Marcus cafe where like the prices were. So outrageously high that the average person couldn't afford this stuff that was like coffee for forty cents a Cup at a time. When coffee was like, a nickel everywhere else. So, you know, eight times the normal rate for just a Cup of coffee. Yeah. Which it's kind of like what's not good for public park. But. It was open everybody until night came then it was an exclusive nightclub like you could not get in unless you were on the list. Yeah. And there was like partying like this for years throughout the roaring twenties. And then finally when Jimmy Walker was no longer mayor. He was toppled for corruption the casino became a symbol for the people taking back New York and their park. Yeah. And so mayor LaGuardia appointed a guy named Robert Moses who became the parks Commissioner decades as a big deal 'em, Robert Moses lobbied to tear the casino down. Yeah. He did a lot. Robert Moses, he built twenty playgrounds on the periphery. He renovated the zoo that I think had been around since eighteen seventy one and was and still is very popular. He was the first one to accommodate automobiles. He added athletic fields benefactors private benefactors in the fifties. And sixties. Which was during his tenure helped contribute to the the skating rink a woman rank Alaska, Rankin pool, the boat houses, the chess and checkers house ballfields on the great lawn. Like, he really made a lot of changes for like the people. Right. So yeah, they took the park back. And he actually he was a huge advocate for the park in. It had kind of started to fall into decay around the turn of the twentieth century. And when he came in in nineteen thirty four he just completely turned it around like, you said added all this stuff. But also renovated it and basically restored it back to its original glory. And so Robert Moses was great. He saved central park the first time the first time, but when he left in what did you say nineteen sixty. Yeah. The park really served to fall the pieces because there was no champion. They're like, Robert Moses. There's also no plan in place. And there was also no money new. Yeah. Basically the way that I saw. New York abdicated its stewardship of central park. Basically said this whatever we're not paying attention to this anymore. And it went to poop very quickly. All right. Well, let's take a break there. And we'll come back and finish up from nineteen sixty two today. Do. Don'the? It's the wrong burgundy podcast. It's the Ron burgundy podcast. Guess what? I got up, and you don't guess what? I got up podcast, and you don't Ron burgundy. Puck cast. Join me Ron burgundy on the run burgundy podcast driven by safe auto, the only car insurance company I'll ever use it takes three minutes. And let's face it. That's about all the time. Any of us should spin with a car insurance company. All right. So the park is going downhill in the nineteen sixties and seventies. We mentioned a few reasons another big reason was that. There was no no ownership. No one had ultimate responsibility. Right. Like, I feel like the buck was being passed all over the city. Holy no, one was happy about it. But there was no body in place to say, no, this is we gotta fix this now. And if you look pictures of central park in the seventies, man. Oh, yeah. And I mean, it was like all of New York. It wouldn't look like a wasteland. It was like the warriors in there. Yeah. Like, these classic places like the boat house and the skating rink or like graffitied and like trash everywhere just hard to believe broken. All replace the statue was being vandalized. It's like it is it is it's sad to see. But it's also unbelievable to see now that you know, what central park looks like just how bad it was in the seventies and eighties and interest sixties. It was actually there wasn't. Like, a Robert Moses champion, and it was starting to go downhill, but it was nothing like it was when they finally in the seventies. Where his like, whatever forget it. And it was kind of like that broken windows theory, leasing where once once you once you reach tipping point as it were it just kind of all just turns to garbage and that's central park in the seventies. And eighties was a great example of that. And it was considered like a really dangerous place that you did not want to be no after dark, and there was that very famous central park five case. Yeah. And everybody just found it so easy to believe that some teenagers had brutally attacked a woman left her for dead because it was central park. Yeah. I mean, you can't even be in there at certain hours now like they clear the park out. And I know this because I spent the night in the park for Shakespeare in the park tickets any lineup you hang out and party. With people right in line until I can't remember what time it was. But something like two AM and the cops come around, and they say everybody get up, and they walk you in order out onto the sidewalk in right there on I don't know if it was the east or west side, but they basically move the entire line out of the park. And then then you're sleeping on the sidewalk all night. And then in the morning, they come back, and they move you all back into the park right in line. And everyone just does it must have been a hell of a Shakespeare play. It was the most legendary what was wasn't the Segel every told you about that the Siegel? That's like Chekhov or something. Yeah. It doesn't mean. Everything is Shakespeare, it's just kind of makes it sound like that's just the name of the program. But it's this was the Siegel. Yeah. And it was the CEO with Kevin Kline Meryl Streep enjoyed John Goodman and Christopher Walken. Wow. Dilip Seymour Hoffman and George Seagal Natalie Portman. Wow. And. There was like two more directed by Mike Nichols. It was like one of the most legendary performances ever bet. And that's the one where I saw James Lipton wearing a inside the actors studio jacket. Oh. Oh. Like, you don't need to wear that. It's like Glenn dancing walks around wearing dancing shirts. Did you know that? Oh, sure sleeveless dance. So anyway, that's what happens they move you out at night. So it's kind of fun. I highly recommend everyone doing that at some point in their life. That's a heck of a play, man. Yeah. It was it was really something else. So central park is indicate and in nineteen seventy four man. George Soros who was saves the day, the devil to some people in this country. George Soros and Richard Gilder under working with the central park community fund. Underwrote a management study nineteen seventy four by e s Savvas who was a professor public systems management at Columbia. And this was a big study that basically came away with too big clear initiatives. One was like, we need a CEO, essentially, right? Like one person one person in charge. So everyone can go like I thought he was gonna fix out thing. One person who has like a not unchecked. Authority. But just basically like, they're they're a boss. Their decision is final. Yeah. Yeah. So that was the first thing. And then the second thing was a central park board of guardians to oversee all the stuff. The guy suggested the guardian angels boo shouted down man, we should do one of those guys. Sure. Nineteen Seventy-nine though, Elizabeth Betsy Barlow who is now Rogers was a Yale educated urban planner and writer became that central park administrator, which was essentially the defacto CEO that they were looking for. And then she is the one so many people did so much great work over the years. But she really did. She was the first one to create a public private partnership to get well heeled New Yorkers involved. Yeah. And they apparently were bolstered by early successes like they went in and one of the first things they did was created a zero tolerance policy for graffiti. Garbage anything broken. If the if anybody saw anything wrong with the park, you're supposed to phone it in and they just responded immediately and fixed it literally phone it and not just phone it in right? Right. Right. Right. Or I'll be right there. I'll be right there. They and they would fix it. And they very quickly. It was the kind of thing where like if the parks already clean, you're probably going to be less likely to litter or less likely to spray paint. But if it's already spray painted, there's already some garbage you may be a little, and then you hit that like snowball thing, they kept the snowball from ever growing by being just completely vigilant, and they attracted a lot of attention improved. Like, oh, this actually we'll work and so more money started coming into kinda resurrect the park. Yeah. And in nineteen eighty she brought together a couple of groups of central park task force in the central park community fund to finally merge in create the central park conservancy, which was that citizen based board of guardians that they called for with that initial study. So they have a plan in place. Now things are getting way way better. And then in nineteen ninety eight an arrangement between the conservancy and the city of New York formalized that public private partnership. And there was a man named Douglas blonde blonde ski sure the blonds blonds who assumed her title of administrator, and he was the one that created this really innovative management innovative in its simplicity. I think because he was like here's what you need to do is we need to make it smaller. So he divided central park up into forty nine zones in every single zone had its own Gardner and its own staff. Right. And if you look at the size of central park, that's like probably a few two or three square blocks. Maybe sure per team anybody can handle that. But that's the way to do it. You know, you make it. Smaller lose also can ability to the accountability the top and then ever since then it's been humming. There's a the big thing moving forward is three hundred million dollar. What do you call it like a like a fund to keep it going into that? Yeah. Which is funny because that's double the original price in adjusted for inflation. That is funny. And in March of last year, Elizabeth Betsy another Betsy other Betsy Elizabeth Betsy Weinberg Smith became presidency o of the conservancy and all of these people that do this do it because they love the park. I mean, sure she's paid and stuff, but they're not volunteers. But it's not like I mean, it's a good position to be in. If you wanna be among the elite of New York, but all of these people were nature lovers and like park advocates. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of the proof is in the pudding because I mean, they they've done a pretty great job and bringing central park back, especially if you go look at those pictures from the seventies and eighties. And then think about it today. Man, we see a picture from nineteen seventy five you see a law and order from nineteen ninety-five totally different. Just got one more thing. Here sheep meadow used to have sheep. Yeah. The tavern on the green the restaurant used to be where they housed, the sheep. And they were put their very purposely by olmsted to keep the grass cut, but also for aesthetics. Yeah. He said all this green everywhere bring in white and black sheep. They're like as opposed to funny ones made his his Mark is a master landscape designer. He was like a journalist and a farmer. That's what his background was he became the central park superintendent because he needed a job amazing, those that I have one last one the central park zoo started out as an animal menagerie because people would take. Unwanted exotic pets to the arsenal. And they just ended up sorting accumulating pets. I think it started with some swans and a black bear cub is how the whole thing started. If you on a more about central park there is a ton of stuff. It's so much could have been a three parter easily. You could do a lot worse than going to a federal New York and looking or go to the park. I guess you since I said ephemeral New York, it's time for a very fairy special listener mail. Yeah. 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