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Who's There: Nate Silver & Sarah Huckabee Sanders?

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47:10 min | 2 years ago

Who's There: Nate Silver & Sarah Huckabee Sanders?

"You. They wanted. No. Welcome to the podcast. We learn everything you need to know about the CDs. You don't I'm Bobby finger Lindsey Weber, and this is my favorite story of the week. I know it's who's there. And we typically like only talking about things that people call in about. But I just had to read this because it's maybe my favorite thing that I've read all week. Headline exclusive Miranda Lambert's new husband, Brendan McLaughlin's ex-fiancee is quote mortified after wedding. So you're reading this. And it's like, how do they know? Is it a source saying that she's mortifying like mortified like what's going on? And then you get right into it. Randall Everett's new husband Brennan, McLaughlin's ex-fiancee. Jackie Bruno is quote mortified after he secretly, married. The country's superstar comma Jackie's mom tells us weekly exclusively in grad up, and then the next line quo. Jackie just wants to say that he's a lying cheating. No good piece of garbage. Carol Bruno explains claiming the New York City police officer had been leading quote, a secret double life. Oh my God. I love Jackie role. Carol Bruno we got a few like kind of exclusive tips from friends who are from Staten Island because he's from Staten Island. Apparently like everyone knows him. And he started appearing on or Miranda Lambert was appearing on like, the Instagram's of local Staten Island institutions very honored to be. In the presence of so many locals. Like, just like the restaurants. Everyone goes Randall Lambert was like appearing on their Instagram's like she was going there. And so people were very suss about it in the past like few weeks, and it turns out. Like, we need to ask miles. Do like Staten island's locals locals new like, oh, it's probably Brandon. They had an idea. No. I mean, they weren't like oh atop cop. But like they knew he's definitely like a thing. Let me take you to my favorite places. And then like let the river run down the Staten Island ferry like, she's a working girl. He's a hot cop. I love it. It's this this relationship is destined to be something very special and sorry, but very short question. Carol Bruneau if you're listening, or if we have Staten Island listeners who know Carol Bruno tell her to call in six nine who them we'd love unfiltered piece of commentary teller. She's great just under a notable arrangement. Please on our behalf that would liken Staten Island. I don't know. I just like. What else is going on? Oh, our tour tour come see us network. We may have to dig into this Randall everything on our tour. I think we're going to our tour continues its first round of midwestern dates we begin on February twenty eighth which is a Thursday in Minneapolis than March. First Friday in Milwaukee than March second Saturday in Cleveland at the grog shop, which is just I like that name. And then the following weekend were in Detroit and Chicago the eighth and the ninth. So buy tickets who weekly dot us slash live leaving your made western fantasy over here. We are going to literally just be the in the midwest for like three weekends two weekends in a row. I know who doesn't love being in the mid west in the middle of winter. Or Terminator apparently loves it yet. He just kept on finding new places for us to go. We love you about somewhere. Warm que- play the Bahamas Dutch. Josh is like no, we did jokingly. We had our first meeting with this is so stupid. But when we had our first meeting with this tour agent whose job is to literally just book tours, and he does all the work. We jokingly said like oh be so much fun to get a cruise. Can you get us accrues? Josh, we don't know what it's capabilities never met. This guy can get you a cruise. You want crews all crews cruiser, easy, and we were like, whoa. Right. Asking. Cruise now. But speaking of the midwest are first comment is about any apples. Here we go. What's the who weekly? Is Emily your resident then he hapless correspondent just was listening to your episodes. You're talking about Liz. Oh, and yes, we hundred percent do claim her even though she wasn't born here. She ended up working with a lot of artists and local artists in the area. And that's who cut a helped her little bangers and a lot of her her. Earl she owns her work. The prince who was our time heroes rest in peace. And so we one hundred percents claim her we absolutely love her, and we are absolutely devastated because so many people couldn't get tickets to her show. And he also been bring a second show. Listen needs to come back absolately love her apple claims. Her can't wait for the show, Minneapolis. Good form Bill while lizard show sold out Minneapolis are show. Maybe not filled out many. Sold out here really quickly. The tickets were. Friend of the podcast. Kate nibs was saying that like tickets were immediately on step up like double their price. Does not surprise me. I mean, so huge. She's also playing at terminal five, which no, thank you know. They're not seeing anyone, you know, Liz, oh selling out her, quote, unquote, hold hometown that claim her and hear her other hometown of co people that affirmative are I love quote unquote, hometown hometown to be a very like definitive thing hometown locals. Okay. Next call. I don't know what the overlap is between who listeners and fivethirtyeight podcast listeners. But I'm sure you've got other calls about their cold open latest podcast. I'm just wondering if you agree with their now. Sis is Bernie Sanders. The only them of the democrat Democratic Party nominee candidates so far. All right. Thanks so much good for. So the overlap is a bigger than I expected I'll say that the anecdotal evidence that we can let a tweet saying. I just heard you on the fivethirtyeight podcast weird. But who knows how many maybe that was only like six people. But everyone who heard it was like weird. But then like your the one hearing it so late. Clearly, it's not that weird. Like, you listen to both listen about you, are you are in the middle of Ben diagram. It really weird ven diagram political pockets wants us our genius framework to help them figure out the election. Then you know, what who am I to judge? I'm not using that framework to judge the the, you know the election. But either I think he the only them I think so right. It's so tough because it's like Coppola Harris, California them, you know, right? And also like within if you pay attention to politics, you see the same names over and over again. So you do know who they are. But like precision Brin, maybe I think sure like until easy answer. Yes. He's the only man because he's done this before. And he. Nearly was the nominee last time. But I hate talking about politics. I hate I see to get like mad. But I guess it is just like for their purposes. He's the I like big deal big name to jump on. That's not somebody. Who is you know? I guess it's like has this person run from president before or are they famous right? Like, Trump wasn't a hu when he jumped on the I mean, he was a who in many ways, but people had heard of him when he when he ran. So that's kind of what I think they're trying to say or what are we trying to say or they join. I don't know why it's still very funny that what did Nate silver say whenever he was like, that's cool. He said, that's cool. The concept of who weekly is that there's a dichotomy in public life between who's and them's a who is aiming naming like who is that. Then as you hit. You're like oh that the divide between celebrity and celebrity. That's fun thing. Nate silver, Nate, silver who made over to. Sorry, Nate Bigalow who Harvey. He just colon regarding Carole Radziwill. So her husband actually died of cancer. I think weeks after urine Caroline who she says where their best friends as they got on the plane crash. And when Carol was on how Henry show channeled. Caroline beset was like I'm getting a reference to an individual who died really tragically young Intel's like oh my God. Oh, God allow and then he literally described Caroline basic xactly. She was just griping any proud or article about her ever and online have to watch it because Carol's talking head of the ended just too much, and I love that. Instead of channel, you know, her deceased husband, he channels her much more Ronan and best friend, also Jackie soul or Stuttle from. Okay. Good form. Both I stole aerosol noises. It's really funny. Yeah. Also, I love that. You're so right. The ghost that appeared on Tyler Horry's sorry on Tyler Henry's not at all fake show about ghosts. Was the ghost to get the better TV ratings? The ghosts to get better TV ratings. What is that ghost? The Caroline beset. Kennedy ghosts, not be her dead ex husband ghost. No one wants to hear from Radziwill people want to hear from you know, Caroline do. We want to play the next goal, you're I'm not touching that. I wanna I still want. I want to leave out too. Well, I mostly just obsessed that like Jackie stole Aristotle. This next. Call really gets into it, hyper is our Runtime. You just about wrestles death on the show and smart outta that more power to that. I love all things indicating family. I think everything's fascinating. She especially really fascinating. I think is is even said she seems barn. What she definitely was just real quick. Then with this morning their rivalry Jackie. And you went on ever since they were little because the Marghera with always pushing them to marry rich and eventually when Jackie pretty early on JFK the president. We thought never gonna talk that. That's why she went out and sound this bent in Las rather will whose name kind of, you know, moss important at that time. But thankfully was so friends. So she was like what got so she married him even with much older than her and not great looking. But people said who jerk we have from which I feel like that means anybody who has like. Money and prestige's champ them, but there's a book out Jackie gannet and lead at goes into a Jackie Lillian or mother Janet relationship, but another big point of contention was after the fascination Jackie remarried era, subtle Mathis, and that with house taking care of the rest of life because you know after yesterday's died. She's like, well, he was quoted as saying, I can't go and marry a plumber. It's not like Mary Plummer loose. Remembering that, she Aristotle Onassis only problem with that is that lever as well since eating him on and off for years and years and she really loved air battle. And there's been nothing ended with her sister. Like kind of like, you know, having -ly to have fun with I guess, and then like fascinated with her sister. So Jackie owned up like tennis feeling in marrying him with plenty. I can't. I mean, that's like so heartbreaking. So then she has. Hang around her sister, her former lover, and then when Jackie got tens of millions of dollars, really lasting that. I wanted to bring up is, you know, lease only Anthony who's married famous house life, Carol. He died less than a mar after JFK died. And so, you know, the thing we Jackie really overshadows leave during their wives. Even when their sons died so closely together, you know, Jackie Chan Kate junior. His just yet again, Bradley overshadowed, the knees because nobody really noticed when he died lesson because people were still reeling from hidden Jesse junior and that going down in the plane, anyway, the last little that I have to mention is something the play truly terrible when Jackie she had. Say I just got it about leave Raza where and I I just had weren't little thing to happen. I was weighted univesity on my gosh, it's been working safari. But the kind of improve with when she it turn of money, and in her will she typically fed I leading into this because I provided either during my lifetime, which kind of means to me like she rose, my coach sales my whole life too. You know, semi sane my success as much as she probably get and many, you believe it, and I guess she just like left her money to cares, but horrendous any okay think jeez. Whoa. We've found the actual the actual line. It was for whom I have great affection because I have already done. So during my lifetime. It's funny because like you that Obita was nasty their whole life was like insane. I had no idea that that level of competition was. Mom, janet. I think Janet Janet. Call the OJ Kris Jenner. But is that even it's like Christian or wishes? I know that's true. This is like, are you kidding? She wishes she wants to marry a president the best. They could do is. We don't have that many good options to be on. I guess that's true. Although TD on whether or not KENDALL breaks up Bernie Sanders as marriage. Unlike gets him, I'm sorry over like, Cory Booker. She's going to birdie. Yeah. Like really hit him with a with a yes Bernie Sanders, which is a richest president who has the with the most mind the most. Bego? Okay. Cool. Get that fine. Lindsay we leave for the first leg of MS western tour next week. What do you packing? Oh my God ever lane. Only does my every we're gonna eat our coats this time it's going to be cold there. I know I get to wear my ever lane big coat, which I love which like I got complimented on while seeing isn't it romantic, my friend. Kate was like, Greg Cote. What is that? And I was like ever Linda, and she was like, oh, I should have known. Yeah. She should have known. Honestly, she Cup omitted the greener. I got the green when you've got the red one. 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Like wasn't really satisfying. You essentially like I think what these are is something. That's awesome. Like another. Techniques like massage therapists started using cold like, vile, energetic. Something something like honestly, it's being like hot by like higher proctors around the world to massage there now. But it really just seems like something ripped off Radi. If you'd like experienced it, but this is like to me that they now have like gone the full way till they make a breaking stickers that are like super branded for basic way, Kurils and. I'm definitely sending their does these techniques together thoughts. I'll let you know what she. Bella thorne. I heard I heard good body because have very much. But if someone else called in and it was a mechanical engineer being like LL, right? I read the FAQ's, and it's talks about storing frequencies, and she's like all of this bullshit. And I can let you know that you cannot store frequency interiors have in inherent resonant frequencies. So if you excited just like thinking about tuning for if you hit against something vibrates at its resonance frequency, so the fact that there's storing a frequency in something makes literally no we suspected, and I like the. And I like the idea I mean, it's really genius for like a sticker to like study, Ricky and be like, I'm just gonna like copy and paste a lot of the things that they talk about in this one practice that is like like pseudo science as well, but more so kind of understood and enjoyed by people and then make like into stickers like to kind of turn that into something that you could buy is a real real scale. But to be honest, if body wants to do a little spot on our show, I do want to try it. I just want I want I want, you know, we're going to be honest. That's where honest with all of our ads. So I will say like if I felt something if I see hot wants to do a little fun with us. I also would be for that. And I know that works, okay? Really quickly. Hi, this is just for Bobby first of all welcome to becoming Zad. Stan we are very welcoming group. I on Instagram you're asking what the name for his fans called on. History tweeted a few years ago that he doesn't want his phantom named because he doesn't his music and box. So he shouldn't put his fans in one either and everyone has their own individual name. So it sounds like these fans maze for you would be body. All right today. We that was such a good call as that. Stan. I'm bobby. Okay. I hate that. Like, let your fan fine. Then sells what a weird thing to say. It's just like my friends are at this point. Awoke, and it's just like on white woke nece overdriving just turns into gibberish. Thank let your friends call themselves like Zad heads like, that's Larry. Like, why wouldn't you do that? Let's like making hats, then had is the funniest thing. Are you kidding? You think I'm dead shirt? I turn around. It's like Zad head put spills spelled H E D is hilarious. Yes. Said head. It's like the true heads of said, but then also Deadheads, but also said it's someone a few people to me, but one friend of ours texted me and was like I had no idea who said was and I went looked him up. And I've heard all these songs, my workout class. And I love them. Like Pauline or something? Emily. That's really funny. Let's move onto actual questions. Maybe we'll cut this one, but who knows hyphen weekly longtime longtime this is not a question, but I'm calling in because I think the US government might be slipping into who'd him because Sarah Huckabee Sanders, just announced a national emergency as notes app on Twitter. Anyway, this is a big moment for the nose tap. And I wonder if it might be graduating into them because of because of this national emergency anyway, high over law, Nick acid, I think I said that right and star. Joe yummy pop for good measure 'cause we miss her. Okay. By the sinus are deranged. Well, one of the calls. I wanted to play. I don't remember what it was. But people are still singing excuse me. People are still singing the song. There was a girl who was lightning. Was like, hey, this this this this this this? Here's my comment. And then there's a pause and she's like, oh, wait lugging. Giving me gentlemen. Explain that that would be helpful things. And I need to be keeping me from my show. She hangs up funny. I think people call in just to like say their favorite sign of like they're like oh. Poly or who were them and then they're like okay scar. Joe yummy. Yummy pop. I'm like run through them. You have to stop mentioning paulie shore. Please just coming of keeps. Coming up Lindsay found out that I haven't seen jury duty recently like ever live Gaskin for it ever. I've never seen it. I've seen son-in-law many times. I've seen seen him many times. Italy army now million how if you not finished your Polly shore, like full education. Like, you're missing a piece of the puzzle. You have this puzzled lying on your table without missing a piece for years up. Sorry. I think the paulie shore puzzle is all just squares next to each other. And like, they're all solid white. Can't you can't mess it up? It's just like a white thing. And everything's a square. Okay. I don't even don't even know what this metaphor is doing for you or for me. But I'm just saying you're saying there's there's no nuance. There's no dynamism to his personality or his oath has polish been canceled. Because if not I'm claiming. Him as my I don't think it's been fantastic. I think just forgotten. You just said my the way Anna, Nicole Smith says it in that kind you. If I ever record an album. I want this to produce. And on. So wait, we talked about this. We already played the goal. Sarah Huckabee Sanders, get onto removing the wine I was like moving onto the next call. The government is already who. Are you kidding? Please look around. Are you kidding? These people using notes up is the least of their who we're not talking about politics, but we are talking about Sarah Huckabee Sanders announcing that the government that President Trump was going to declare a national emergency on notes have with this. I feel like I die. If it is just been notes app. I would've ignored it. But the dot dot dot dot this the icon IQ, and unforgettable and truly who we put a woman has not put a dos when they're trying to crop spree draw. I saw this. And I was like whatever like, Yep. Like the government using notes up like, Yep. It's true there who eat and then I saw the dot and I guess Spt because I zoom zoom zoom zoom zoom zoom. Like if my phone have a piece of dirt on right? Sometimes you think the dot is on your on your an Oriole chrome would is that try. It's a fucking. Dot. You know, when you make dot and you're like, an you undo the dot under the always make a dot. Sir. Huckabee Senate she just now she's not paying attention. And it's like you're about to declare national emergency paying attention. There was a fucking dot. I mean, you can tell how like sloppy this shit is the Dodd, but it's definitely to answer question. Yes. This is who behavior. Sarah Huckabee Sanders is a them with exclusively who tendencies she doesn't answer. Questions puts dots on a screen shots. She's like nepotism takes money under the table. She does pseudo spawn. Come on. And. Yeah, that's it. That's all we're saying about Sanders. I love this tweet from Jonah Tron four thousand handles tippety, Trump vivo. G O F G. She used the fucking notes then accidentally put a random dot on cropping her phone. I. Oh is just I I. Josh what was that tweet? You saw a couple of days ago that was like. About it was about. Someone being like. Yeah. But then. Something about how their insert. Twitter handle was like Olivia Colman like punch me or something. What was it? You know what I'm talking about? It was like less funny that you explaining this me with some like it was like viral tweet or someone was like, oh, yeah. I only communicate with it was just like talking about how people with tweet about serious things. But they're, but they're handles are completely psychotic or it's just like gay Twitter. Handles are just like a living Coleman like sit on me or something. Do you? Remember this? It will. It was just the comma the combination of like having a serious. Yeah. It's like handles like like, yeah. Like eat my shit for my ass like polish order. John only hearing one side of this. Sorry. Thank you. While so Josh didn't help and you said that, but it was very it was very funny. Change is very important thing and the Twitter handles like Libya, Coleman, eat, my ass, or whatever. How should we start this quip add we've done so many? I mean, I just cannot believe how how much better my teeth brushing has gone since quip it feels like it's been the whole time. But you know, it really improve my life. I got a refill packed in the mail, and I'm really excited connect the new brush, Ed and put in the brand new battery. I mean, even even when I had a electric toothbrush. I never I never replaced the heads like I just didn't do what you're supposed to do. Because like, I I don't know. I didn't know where to buy them. It was like people don't wanna gave me it like, you know, now it's like because they come right to me, unlike up, it's time sensitive, sonic vibrations. And they prevent you from like brushing too hard. They've built in two minute timer and every thirty seconds. It's like beep in lets you know that it's time to switch aside. And it has the cover that you can use as a mount, and it helps you travel with it. We're going to take it on our tour and brush heads oughta medically delivered on dentist recommended schedule. Every three months for just five dollars because three out of four bristles that are worn out and in. Ineffective. We love quit for all those reasons, and they are backed by over twenty thousand the professionals quip starts at just twenty five dollars. And if you go to get quip dot com slash who your I refill pack will be free with a quip electric toothbrush. That's your first refill pack for free at GE TQ IP dot com slash poop. I just think it's really rude that you guys have not spoken about what is going on with Wendy Williams. I mean like you guys have touched on it. But you guys have like really touched on it. And it's just kind of like where is she? And do we buy that everything that's happening to her is what is being what she is saying is happening the hurt. And then like, how do you make sense of it with all the reports of like sheeting, and like all the other things like that? Like apparently sources from her staff are leaking about like, you know, her being turning to I don't know drugs or other things I don't know like it's kinda dark. So I mean, I get why you guys haven't spoken about it. But it's like, okay, we wanna know like what's going on. And we're ready to know things. I'm glad you're ready to know. 'cause I'm ready to talk about it. I think I mean, it is really dark, and I actually we haven't been talking about it because it's still like developing, and it's actually something that we talk about tweets other a lot because we love on long. We are devout watchers of hot topics, and when he's when he's a complicated figure because she has done and set some really fucked up stuff, and yet she's one of the most likeable people in broadcast journalism, you know, from just a pure entertainment standpoint, she has both because she herself has been doing it for so long, and she surrounds herself with people who know everything she knows everything when you say real stuff, you're gonna say stuff that people don't like I do not agree with like half, the shit that Wendy says, but she does know a lot of stuff like she gets inflammation. And she she she made her name on the radio sharing that information in kind of like trying to get. The truth behind some stuff. She's a difficult person to stand, but she's very easy to be fascinated by and. This most recent sort of hiccup, the the big reason this is such a big deal is because Wendy Williams has beyond everything else. We know about like her personality, and and things that she said, she has a very insane work ethic. She always goes to work cheese. Yes. She takes on our in the morning during the at their husband, and they visit huge. This is like the number of what she talks about like every all the time. It's like I get in the car in the morning her routine this route so much this sort of began. I would say it began with her fainting as the statue of liberty. Right, right. Like things were like, oh something's up with their health. And then she was like she went on television to explain what happened. And it was like, oh, you know. Dehydration was stress overheating. It was grave's disease. And then she got better she was gone for a few days. Now, she's she was back. Then she most recently took the extended leave of absence and they've had like oh panel is going to fill in for this week. But then she came back. Then it's just been new co hosts pretty much every day. Or is it every week? How's it working? It was like one a week. I would say it was like Sherri shepherd, and Jerry O'Connell and Michael Rapa my word for it was funny. They chose somehow they chose like this weird like group. Perfect friends of windy Rennes of and also people are good at. Yeah. Like, everyone really Nick cannon, everyone really was like had their own vibe. But was like very in the style of Wendy. And of course, radar released. These kind of really shady reports that everyone at Wendy's so happy she's not there there so stress-free they're really enjoying their jobs finally there. But you know, I have heard that like Kevin her husband is like really tough and like not a nice person. And a lot of pressure on everyone doesn't let anyone talk to her. And like if is like him, he's like this wall between the rest of the staff and her so that so it's all leaking that like Wendy that. Everyone's having the best time. Without Wendy and Kevin there. Also, we didn't even get into this. So the other drama with Wendy is also because for husbands of this guy who is like very deeply involved in her career is her manager control so much about her personal life is also allegedly having an affair with this other woman like has a kid with her and like just lives down to. Daily Mail kind of like blew this up when they found the mailbox with his name that she was living in. So they were like kind of living together. Separately from Wendy or he was living in two places with Wendy with the mistress. And actually this all started with reports that the mistress was pregnant, and it sent Wendy until like a little bit of a tailspin. And she was ready not like having a little bit of illness issues, and this this new emotional trauma, so son. Yeah. So really this. What's happening now is sort of a culmination or it's appears to be a culmination of like every single kind of professional personal drama, you could possibly have. So it's like her husband's own cheating, allegations, her sons, whatever the problems is her actual, physical illness. And then just exhaustion, you know, like she's been doing this hard for so long. And it's finally taken a toll thanks to that. And all these other things. And so that's the reason this is notable because she's always there. And now, suddenly, she's not it. Yeah. This other this other radar report says that now staff so it's like one story that you put in as yes. Abbas happy because she's not there, and like she maybe nightmare to work with other people like we don't know if our jobs are secure, right? They're pissed because she ever come back there because the show could just be one day fully cancelled which seems like it might happen. I mean about all into reruns, which is like if you know one that's like the not the point reruns are not the point. Yeah. And also Wendy would didn't. She just get some crazy renewal last year or something like I'm on through twenty twenty eight. I mean, if you know if Wendy no if Wendy knows anything she knows that her being on TV is really important to her career. And so that's why I feel like this is not just being canceled outright. Because Wendy and probably her husband refused to officially like give up the show. They're gonna like content. They're gonna push it. Push it push push away to stretch it out. Because this was probably one of the most reliable jobs to land in. Yes. Daytime because it just consistently had good ratings. And it would it would get these renewals years. Long renewals. Where if you had this job you felt secure for a number of years? Still got celebrities to come be on the show. I mean, she could say whatever she didn't even like her kinda me like, yeah. Here we went on when when icon issue is like, I'm never known who you are basically like rita's like I don't care. I mean, it just shows how the weight Wendy's delivery the way that she talks about people. She says it real, and she somehow says it with such honesty that you can't really falter for it. I mean that has been always strong suit, and I feel really bad because I feel like whatever's happening to her is it just sucks. It seems like it really fucking sucks. Like, I I feel for no matter, you know, my feelings on what Wendy said in her career, whatever like as a person I feel for this person who's cruelly like. Not feeling well and has a husband who's like seemingly piece of ship. Seemingly huge piece of shits with Wendy. And that's another reason we haven't talking about it because it sucks it's up for ECOWAS reasons. There's a meeting going around very now or whatever I mean. It's just like this thing titan reenact in your Verstand outfit. You because you know, ran against all that good res- covers our office you, and I often thought, wow, we do this with Rita ORA too. Because of course, they've move after every single day. She's walking the runway every day on the streets. Yeah. And it we're for Rita too. So. Make it a Rida not reenter me. I one on. Do you ever and say, we are reclaiming this meme we're taking away from riana, and we're bringing it back to Rita who has arguably arguably have more photographs more options more out Jess than riana, you know, and also more Loucif redes- probably the opposite. In that many of her looks are as opposed to being a fully clinic. They are not quite Durant. They're not quite I. Not quite I posted Bobby in my outfits on Instagram the other day, I didn't use this one Bob. This one is a dog in it that one that one. I like that outfit though, I like it to that little tiny bag. You know, remember when member one tiny bags are really thing. I'll never forget Big Hat tiny bag and mine is also pretty icon. Ick. It's the one where she looks like riffraff. But anyways, post your read or birthday, and we'll share it on our social let's do some who were them jury style who or them to got disrespected Julius styles last week by ending right before her. So let's begin with her. Julia stiles who were them one two three then. You're yawning during Julius. Wait. I think she could be a ho not to you. And I because we were we were coming of age in her like the movies that she did that were the most popular. I'm just trying to think of it from a broader perspective shoes in some like YouTube show. I think okay. Blew the web series broadcast on television. She was like maybe it's on television last we heard from her. She was playing a up sex worker or like, a no, yeah. In that show blue. Yeah. There's forty up sorts of. But I think it's forty forty because it was twenty twelve to twenty fifteen their forty episodes. It was on Hulu, FOX dot com, and the website wigs member that website wigs, we made fun of that back in twenty twelve. Thanks. 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172: Spotting a narcissist, healing from trauma, anxiety, and the gut-brain connection with psychotherapist Megan Bruneau, M.A.

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172: Spotting a narcissist, healing from trauma, anxiety, and the gut-brain connection with psychotherapist Megan Bruneau, M.A.

"Hi I'm Jason Walkup founder and cozy of my buddy green and your host for the mind body green podcast where I'll be bringing you deep and insightful dialogues with some the greatest minds in wellness if you like what you hear please consider giving us a five star review and comment and don't forget to visit us of my buddy green dot com for your daily Dose Joseph Wellness and make sure to check out all of our great offerings including our online classes and trainings. Thanks and enjoy the PODCAST. Bruno is a psychotherapist. Dubbed as the millennials therapists by our friend spiritual icon Deepak Chopra. She received the Bachelor of Arts in Psychology in family studies from the University of British Columbia and a masters of Arts in counseling psychology from Simon Fraser University. She's a registered clinical Michael Counselor and British Columbia and now works with clients in New York as well as globally as remote coach. Today we're going to talk about how she overcame. Struggles with mental health and eating disorder are great tips. I duNno under break up a someone how to spot a narcissist by narcissists and passer attracted to each other and we're also going to explore the Gut Brain Connection Action Megan's whatever favorites here at my buddy green. So it's an honor to have her here today back in welcome. Thank you for having me Jason. So let's let's rewind and start with your personal health journey personal health journey hoot mental physical or even differentiating between the two. Let's go let's do all of this okay well Gosh I mean I think for me. I am mental. Health is of course the area that is The most important to me the most relevant for me what we're going to talk about and that's of course related to physical health and you know the guy in the body and everything like that. So of course they're all interconnected affected but for me I'm I struggled with depression and anxiety and eating disorders for most of my life for a very long period in my life Started having symptoms of of Bulimia around fifteen. But before that I actually in retrospect realize I was struggling with anxiety and depression. But I didn't realize that not at the time. I just thought that I would like I don't really like dark poetry and loved Eminem kind of thing like kickboxing whatever else. I'm and what I didn't realize realized was a lot of that was caused by this chronic. Shame that I lived with and the perfectionism which we'll get into imagine but the perfectionism that I had adopted to try to avoid any kind of uncomfortable feelings to try to avoid feelings of rejection and sadness and loneliness and disappointment appointment and guilt and anxiety. Because I didn't know how to deal with them because I didn't have a good relationship to myself or to emotions I didn't know how to emotionally regulate. And so I had adopted this way of living my life and relating to myself where I just tried to never feel discomfort and in addition to that I also believe that if I could just get to a place where I I was like good enough and in this case it was thin enough. That was kind of where I put a lot of my my attention if I was thin enough if You know I was successful enough if I was Phthalic Taurean if I was athlete of the year if I got into a good school if I did my masters you know if I did all of these sorts of things if I was popular and then I would finally feel like I was enough and I would finally be able to kind of just like relax into life and not have to keep running and feeling like I was just always like anxiety was always nipping at my heels. Telling me like you could screw up. You could fail and interesting because like for a long time. I thought Gosh I. I've never really like. What have you ever failed? I was like nothing and I would. I thought for so long and I was like I guess I. Gosh it must be really good everything but I mean. I didn't actually believe that was kind of like the cognitive interpretation underneath I was so terrified. I wasn't good at anything but the the reason I'd never failed was because I never did anything I could possibly fail. So that's one of the ways that perfectionist manifest like. I'd orchestrated my life in a way that if like you know. I went and tried out for the volleyball team and I didn't make so. I never picked to play volleyball again. 'cause I was like what yes. They just can't do this you know. I'm not good at math so I never bird like took more courses in it. I didn't take a lot of people do these things. You're talking about myself included because like we're not taught I mean not everyone but at at least speaking for myself and for a lot of people are not really encouraged to do things imperfectly and to suck at things and to do things and like with a beginner's mind and so we put all this pressure on ourselves and I believed that like if I wasn't good at certain things than I was a failure. I can never get good at and so I live my life like that for a long time. However I career I realized that with the symptoms of Bulemia binging and purging restricting and we differentiate between different forms of eating disorders or disordered eating? But really for me. I approach it from a perspective of like you know. This is very blurred line between all of them and all roster all eating disorders are really restrictive disorders because even and something like binge eating disorder has like a restrictive component and usually comes from restriction restriction and dieting is what triggers eating disorders. Most of the time so for me me and I was struggling with for a very long time and I thought okay. Well what I'll do. My family had pretty served dysfunctional. I mean it's all relative but my my parents had gone through a really rough divorce and I didn't have a lot of Like adult her parental support and supervision. And when it was there it wasn't super consistent. Thanks my mom was going through her own stuff and so I was. I know what I'll do. I'll just get a master's in psychology and figure it out myself like thinking that that would be what would heal me and So fast forward. I did all of that. I went through. I got my masters an ironic. I mean I was like twenty four almost twenty five. Finishing my master's asters degree at that point might eating Sorta at turned anorexia and I was like in the pit of depression and in like a relationship where I was really unsupported and it basically like rock bottom as I was completing my master's degree like that was not necessarily giving me the answers that I've been looking for but what did happen was as I was at that place and you know really I think my lowest body weight I'd been at my boyfriend of three years left me and he left me for someone else and it was like my worst fear. That's what happened to my mom. And that's what I thought my whole life. I was like if I'm in people will love me. You know if I'm thin if I'd get get into this prestigious masters program if I do everything very successfully I can protect myself from pain and so when he left me I was like what the fuck doc I was like. What the fuck like the The lied like the World Light. Everything I know to be true is not true because I did everything right like here. I am like successful. Youngest person in my program by many years like I'm hardworking. I got the best internship I bought could possibly get him. You know I have my boyfriend and I'm super super thin and all these things and like I still was left and so that kind of flipped my world upside down and I realized Oh actually can't protect yourself from pain and a couple of other things happen at that time that we're really profound for me on one was I'd had so many over exercising injuries. That I went went to my physical therapist and he was like look. You can't keep going to the gym. I was like a personal trainer at the time on the side because again I thought that's what would make me dinner. Everything was always in pursuit of thinness. Yes and he was like look. You can't work out anymore you can't workout and you can't run the only thing I'll let you do is yoga. That's the only thing and I pushed back and he's like look you're going to ruin your body. Never run again so this only thing you can do and if not like I'm just giving you my professional opinion kind of thing and so I listened to him because I was scared and it was really like one of my only coping. Mechanisms was wasn't the healthiest to in the way that I was using it. But it was what I believed was a coping mechanism and so I started doing yoga and and what I realized through that process while in addition to you know my body really healing a lot of the injuries that I was dealing with I learned I started to recognize like feel my body. I started actually become in touch with the body that I had cut myself off from for so many years which you know when we go author trauma which most humans do we tend to dissociate. We tend to cut ourselves off from our bodies. And that's how we kind of operate in the world and most of us are walking around like unaware that we even have bodies and so I started to like wake up to my body and become more in touch with not only like my fiscal body but as a result my emotions and I started to learn how to be with the physical discomfort of like holding a yoga pose that I didn't enjoy and I also started to learn how to feel more of the Moshav Comfort that was coming up particularly at that time. My heartbreak break over over my boyfriend and the other thing that happened was I became really aware in the laboratory of the Yoga Room. Of how hard was it myself like. I would follow to oppose and that would beat myself up or you know. I wouldn't be able to stretch his deeply as I could have the day before and I would you know be comparing myself to someone else. Compared to myself to leak a past self or past version version myself in the Oval Room and so am I noticed like okay. Maybe I can take childs pose when everyone else is holding downward dog and I started to be a bit kinder find myself and I realized just how hard I've been myself and the final thing that's important was that when I was going through that heartbreak I push. I tried to push away my emotions for so long. I tried to because I'd always grown up being like fucking pathetic. You know to my mom who cried a lot and stuff like you know. People aren't supposed to be sad and that just means they're weak and so I had been judging myself for being so sad and I'd said like you know he wasn't good enough for you to get over it and stuff like that but it's impossible when you're going through grief to push those feelings away for very long and so finally surrendered into them and what. I didn't realize that was mindfulness. I didn't realize that in actually finally waking up one morning and being like okay sadness you can be here. I hope he don't stay for long but you can be here. I realized that I was experiencing on mindfulness and no longer creating what we call secondary emotions by I judging myself for having my primary ones prime motions meaning the emotions that are evolutionary. They're there for a reason. Therefore pro social reason survival region- reasons gives me a signals that we should listen. Listen to and unfortunately in our society we talk a lot about like positive thinking and like choosing happiness and actually like that's not helpful can also create those secondary motions. I described so you fast forward and through my own process of healing and through that discovering Buddhism and and spirituality and really starting to rework my relationship to myself I started to actually step out of my comfort zone and do things that scared me The thinks that avoided for so long. Because I didn't know how to deal with this comfort but now in knowing I could be with do things like rejection and disappointment anxiety and whatever comes along with failure I was like oh I can be kind to myself in response to my. Take these risks and through doing that. I was like you want always wanted to start a blog so I started a blog and I started writing about things that I was passionate about. You know I think we're really overmedicated. Society and I'm not against psycho pharmaceuticals suitable. But I think we're way too quick to prescribe depressants and anti anxiety medication and often times people are just like you know really lacking meaning their lives are lacking social connection etc so I started talking team but all the stuff and then I one day decided to try and submit an article to mind body green exactly and so read my Buddy Green and ice twenty thirteen. Yeah I think it was twenty four hundred twenty thirteen. It was right around there. Yeah twenty thirteen hundred fourteen and and I'd always read my buddy green. I just loved it because at that time I was reading it for more at more like an eating disorder place. I was looking for always like the latest nutritional information or ways that I could restrict and I I was like you know. This seems like an outlet that maybe would be interested in this and I actually had been an article that was rejected that I ended up post post like my yoga online at the time but it was another time where it's like. You want him to try this again which I never would have done before because in the past if I'd been rejected I would've like hard. No never done it again. So I sent you guys an article and I still remember like calling calling sister. Carey Shaw email from her like life-changing email just being like yeah we want to your we want. We want to publish this. And it was called twelve lifestyle. Factors that make you feel depressed and got what I wanted to share. It was like. Hey you're all these other things that make you feel depressed. It's not necessarily a neuro chemical imbalance in your brain. It's like again like diet movement social connection meaning meaning grief trauma and so. I'm not anyway so moving forward here basically Through that it did really well. I wrote a few more articles for you guys. Then I got an email email. Hey we're having this inaugural conference called revitalize in Arizona and it's going to be investors influencers. You know an entrepreneurs and I didn't know what any needless words meant like cool investors influencers and entrepreneurs of the donor. Would any of those things are at the time. I was working as a therapist at a college which I loved amazing job and I just remember like I remember timing wise. I was coming back from Europe with my boyfriend and then I was like going to vegas like the next weekend or something and it was like. I had offit between these two trips and I was like this make sense and I was like this just seems like I should go to this and I went and I remember like meeting people like you know John. Kim and Dana Claudette last name. Yeah and and just like people who are so inspirational Joe Cross. who still very good friend of mine today and I just remember being like wow like? There's this world that I didn't know existed. I mean people can start businesses and they can like just like have an idea and then from there you know I met someone there who was a founder of a company a and he said like I'll sponsor your visa if you want I think we could use you at At this at our company and I was confused like I have like seven years of education psychology. But I don't really know anything about business and I'm not really sure what I can do for you. But you know. They said they wanted a psychological wellness consultant in for me. All I want to get to New York because I visited New York and I thought I I knew that I just had to be here like nonstop. It was something I couldn't explain. I just knew I had to be here. So I took that opportunity And ultimately got my visa sponsored I I worked about startup for six eight months. Eight months realized that they weren't actually like quote unquote democratizing health. In the way that they did describe they were democratizing health in my opinion And so you know I was Kinda like look I. I came here to bring more wellness to the world not to like sell green juice to the one percent and and so I left there and Sim still deeply grateful for that experience. Because it really sent me up where I am now GimMe a lot of wonderful relationships and help me get my like you know. Open a bank account and stuff like that in the states and but for the last almost five years. Now I've just been you know being a therapist and coach in private practice myself also online and in person and have podcast and bid on many podcasts. And I speak now. which is like the ship scares me? Because that's my next lake area. Wanted to develop more and I write eight and I guess I don't know if I'm concerned like social media influence or micro influence or whatever. I'm some kind of your subject matter. Experts has a large following. Yes exactly exactly exactly yeah. We're subject matter with significant file or more in tune following. Yes all credit equal. Yes yeah thank you and so so now. Now I mean it's been such a journey for me and you know From there it's interesting because the gateway for me to like wellness and spirituality really actually was coming from like a very a a a sick place or not well place which I think is what brings most of us to this work Or this area I should say And you know I realized that my pursuit of like what I fought with quote unquote wellness. Physical Wellness was actually like a way that I was trying to numb my pain thinking that I could get a certain body type or be like so healthy and I could avoid my emotions and my sadness my shame and my trauma and everything like that but really what I needed to do was go through the very process. I've gone through but ultimately come to a place where I can accept got myself and my imperfection and accept the imperfect quote unquote or difficult feelings. That come up and now like it's interesting I mean I've I've become fairly interested in psychedelics. I'm not an expert on that so I probably can't so your questions with any expertise but I think that that is a new frontier in terms of like trauma processing and I think like there's a lot of possibility in terms of Dislodging and working through a lot of trump stuff people have so. There's a lot to unpack this journey. You are part of the journey and so many ways and we are so grateful for you and your success and everything. It's amazing that you've you've grown with us so there's a lot unpack there so have my so. Let's start with something you said earlier in the conversation and this I think so many things you touched on I think I think everyone struggles with some more severely than others. But I think we've all struggled with so let's start with shame share. What's going aww care? We just be nice to ourselves. You know I mean look there is. There is a place for shame right like when you think. Think about emotions oftentimes we label motions is good and bad and I think that's a very unhelpful. You'll notice even use terms like unhelpful. Instead of good or bad because I think like language also really implants is how we feel about things But the thing about emotions is their evolutionary like. They're there for a reason as I alluded to earlier. They're there to protect us and so and keep us alive and keep us procreating and so if you think about things like loneliness something like loneliness cleaness you know. It tells us to connect or guilt. It tells us to repair a rupture in a relationship brings. ID tells us to watch out you know. The list goes on what any emotion emotion basically is there for like a lesson or a signal. And they're what we call pro social so they keep us like in groups because again we wouldn't survive as individuals especially like in and tribal days or whatever capers days we want to be able to be in a group so that were protected from predators. We want to be able to get in on the kill. You know for dinner And we want to stay warm and we want to be able to procreate procreate excuse me most importantly in so emotions are all there for a reason now the the difference is today Those emotions are still very helpful and important and we don't want like shut them off but this is where mindfulness comes in. We want to be able to notice them and ask Scum Lake What are you telling me anxiety so like if I'm walking home from a bar like late at night and I have the choice to go down the dark alley or the well at St? If I start going down the dark alley I'm GonNa feel anxiety and I want to feel that I want to be able to listen to it because it's saying this is unsafe. You need to go down the Wall Street. And if I didn't have how I would probably be putting myself in danger but however like if I'm getting on a plane to take off or going to speak in front of an audience and and I feel pretty exciting tells me to get off the plane or tilting to get off the stage and like I don't necessarily want to listen to that right so coming back. To shame name I differentiate between types of shame so there's chronic shame and then there is like a a more serving shame or more fleeting shame that's appropriate for the situation situation so if you got on the subway and like you just push an old lady out of terrorists that you can like sit in it or something if you feel shame that that's a healthy shame. So that changes her to say hey. You're doing something antisocial and it might ostracize you from the group so you want to feel this so you don't do that antisocial -ocial thing and you maintain like You know a positive reputation and you're like liked enough to belong. Basically shame all about belonging. So there are instances in which we want to feel shame because it's showing us that we have morals and values and we're doing something that's not pro social but most of us weren't feeling shame it's not for that reason a lot of us feel shame and there's a deeper kind of chronic shame that comes out of attachment trauma or relational trauma and that happens when we've grown up with like inconsistent consistent parenting or neglectful parenting or. Maybe it's not even like a caregiver apparent but this can happen in like romantic relationships sibling relationships teachers coaches whatever whatever but ultimately we get the message. We internalize message somewhere. Along the way that we're not good enough were broken were unlovable. were bad that kind of thing like at our core and and so we spend our lives trying to hide that part of ourselves from people are like shadow self. Some people call it a high that part of ourselves from people so they don't see how we're actually really bad and they still accept us in love us and their lives trying to like rid ourselves of that by like ultimately achieving some kind of perfection and so that That kind of shame. Shame is more like the chronic. Shame that's at the root of perfectionism and at the root of a lot of like addictions and exiled in depression. And stuff like that. The other kind of shame that is important to recognize. It's also not really healthy is the shame. That's more fleeting around like conformity basically been social norms. I guess I should say so. Like feeling links. Shame for not being thin enough. You know thin enough based on what are exactly what are unrealistic. Societal expectations are so instagram is a perfect example. So comp- chain the comfort of comparison. Shame that comes out of being like well. You know I'm not I don't look like implants or I don't have the nicest fashion. My job doesn't make enough money or it's not important enough. I don't have enough followers or I don't have enough friends or my house isn't big enough for You know my car isn't nice enough. I don't live in a cool city. You're like all of these like I'm not enough. This isn't enough kind of thing. So it's more around like performance or around like what a person has stuff like that as opposed to that just like flawed in cities. Feeling like you're bad and broken. So this is all the route of of perfectionism ultimately on and perfectionism again as I mentioned from a place of like one to be perfect so that you don't you believe you don't feel about shame aim and you're good enough and you kind of beat the shame and also wanted to like be perfect in your emotional experience because when we have a lot of that shame we don't know how to we're not nice to resolve resolve were really critic self critical and we don't want to be with those uncomfortable emotions so bringing it back to my story about like you know being really heartbroken and feeling sadness me beating myself up and being like you're pathetic you're week get over it. It's not that big of a deal. Everyone gets heartbroken. You dismissing invalidating emotions. That is coming from a places like shame and self criticism and self abandonment. And it's more of like an internalized way of of you know at least how I perceived emotions were in my family and stuff like that and so so when we can shift that actually really self loving and self compassionate is actually the term in literature to ourselves around emotions and just being imperfect in general. Then we don't have to keep running from that stuff so every time. There's more to unpack when you were saying. Essentially it's this vicious the cycle of comparing yourself to others keeping up with the Joneses. You know I think we all fall victim victim to that sometimes and something. That's that's I think helped be managed. That is is this the idea of being grateful and you also talk about self. Love is something we've talked about before. These are two real practices that do work and their science behind them but they also fall into what we call the self help pods. Yes totally no. That's a great that was a great segue So look I mean totally holy. The gratitude is like research supported. I am like a deeply grateful every day for a so so many things you know. I think we all could stand to be a lot more grateful. You you know as an aside I've written about somebody green but like I think we don't talk about death enough water mortality. We don't recognize just like the press precious like fragile nature of our life or are are like able bodied miss a lot of the time however. There are a lot of platitudes in the self help. World that I think are deeply destructive on the more extreme and you know not helpful on the more minor end And those are a couple of them and so with gratitude It's kind of like when when a person is feeling really depressed or when they're feeling heartbroken or rejected or anxious whatever. They're stealing with an uncomfortable feeling because they're human and And whether they say it to themselves or whether someone beside them says like don't feel that basically it's it it creates again what we call secondary motions so just to recap stocks. It's a really important point and I want people to get it. Primary motions are the evolutionary. It's an expression of emotions. It's like evolutionary INARI. It's helpful this message there. You're supposed to listen to the secondary motions are the ones that come out about judging ourselves for having the primary motions or resisting the primary motion. It's also called the second narrow in Buddhism. And so when if you were to be telling me that you were totally heartbroken or something like some massive like thing going on with the company neither like causing you anxiety or whatever and I was just like Jason. Just be grateful for what you have You know you might be inside labeled fuck you you know or you might not appeals stage sharing with me or you might then feel shame for having you know your difficult emotions around. Whatever it is that you're going through and so not only are you that now feeling the difficult emotions round like for having the emotions around what you're going through but you also weren't listening to those original emotions and unpack it because again like let's say something happens like you know whether it's with the company or at home or your relationship whatever you're feeling anxiety or you're feeling guilt or something? It's important to listen to that. So you can react accordingly rather than like dismissing it. I'm just going to focus on. It's like one of my another one that always bothers me and people like we don't talk about problems at our company we talk about solutions or like we don't focus on the negative and I'm like if there's a fire in are you gonNa leave even just GonNa let it burn. Let the place burned down. You have to deal with the fire. It doesn't mean that you that's the only thing you focus on and you can't do anything else until the fires figure it out. We all have fires in our lives that we need to live all right. So that's one with with gratitude with anything like you know. Just be grateful or just think positively about it or change the story. You're telling yourself like there's there's a place for that kind of stuff but there's also like you just want to be really mindful whether you're doing with yourself or you're doing it with somebody that you care about you want support. It's not supported. A lot of the time and people will the unsafe hearing that and without you mentioned you got to love yourself before anyone else can love you or something along those lines you dip. There's a lot of truth there. There's absolute merit to that. But also we learn how to love ourselves in relationship like were wounded in relationship and we heal and relationship so we don't just like spontaneously develop develop feelings of compassion and love for ourselves. We do that in relationship with others. That's what therapy is for. That's what like or maybe it's it might be pat -Tino or it might be like a god or some kind of being but usually people develop feelings of self love as a result of having had loving relationships in their lives and when I'm working with clients who've had a lot of trauma and abuse and maybe they don't have that from the parents. There's there's often what we always call a competent protector. There's one or two or a couple of people in their lives growing up that they were reliable they were consistent and sometimes I mean it was a cat or a dog. You know or or a sibling or a friend or a baby sitter or a nanny or an aunt or a teacher or coach. Or whatever for but it's it's in relationship that we learn how to experience and feel love and that's how we ultimately can give ourselves you on so many guy we might be here for a while. It's what I've found with regards to and I love what I think it was Kelly. Turner said it revitalize was last year. And you guys listen the podcast. Like big T. Little T. Trauma and so like when I think of you sort of hit on two things I think of like big t I think of death. heartbreak is just something a little bit more severe trauma I think of like you know work work problems. I think with what I've found personally with like the big t like specifically to grief. There's everyone grieves on their own time. Line everyone grieves differently. But whether you grieve you know the ball on your eyes out on day one or our day two or month twelve or whatever it is the point is is like there's no way around it. It's only through it and you don't get to the other end unless you go through it and to go through it you have to feel it but everyone has their own timetables and what you see is like a loved one you you know when someone you care about is grieving all you can do is like it makes you feel terrible and you're trying to comfort them and you try to help and it's like the last thing you have to like do it totally carefully. Yeah I think as a society. We're so afraid of emotions within ourselves but also with others and we need to be more okay with people not being okay and you know as like whether whether I call myself a codependent or not like as somebody who grew up taking care of apparent and emotionally and who is made the profession around taking care of people emotionally because I have so much discomfort. I around other people's Discomfort It's been a real journey for me to be able to just be okay with someone not being okay and not trying to fix it not trying to help and not seeing myself as a failure. If they're not like like better but I think Yes like ultimately with grief with any kind of like emotional process like you said the only way out is through Thursday and you can't expedite it you can only slow it down expedited so you don't have a choice. Sometimes it expedites itself. Sometimes it takes a long time. Hopefully it's not linear and the other thing to say in response wants to the big T. Little T. trauma like yes like. You're you're on the right track there and oftentimes when we did at least in sort of psychotherapeutic community when we talk about big T. Little Tea. It's it's more around like big T.. As in like a big event natural disaster or like something wears little someone. Yeah yeah totally in little. T. More like it's that kind of like insidious Often it has what we call relational trauma or attachment trauma. Where you know a relationship? A child grows up. And you know they learned that they can't really rely on a parent per se or caregiver ever or that. It's not safe. And so they ultimately learn to take care of themselves or they learned to on. This is all come back to attachment theory which we probably won't have time to get into but it's really interesting trusting people pe- everyone should read the book attached by the way But ultimately when you realize like the way that you relate and relationship comes back to proximity seeking and wanting to be close to your caregiver and wanting to maintain closeness for survival purposes because infants can't take care of themselves then you can make sense of a lot of you could have loyalty guilty as an adult adult onset. Little T. everything has to form a child totally. That's yeah. I mean usually as far as attachment theory. That's usually like where we're we're looking at people attachment styles but they changed course across the leist scheming across the course of a lifetime and yell especially romantic relationships even like workplaces. I have clients who are truly traumatized from being in a really like awful workplace in which like they felt like it was abusive and they were like constantly criticized and constantly neglected. Nothing thing was ever good enough and they always felt like they were being threatened to work in a relationship or you know bad Texas late at night. There's there's little tea with with bad text expressive. Yes yeah totally like yeah texts from people. I mean we're all hiding behind screens and people are much more like cruel cruel as a result because this is what's related to like mere neurons and empathy and stuff like we don't have that Immediate response of someone's face when we're we criticize them and we don't we'll have like we're not held accountable so much harder to be totally asshole in person than it is the media with that. I always liked to note on his. I mean I could speak about like Steph relate to privilege and privilege in the world and everything like that forever. But there's a lot of trauma of of you know being person being marginalized personality society so you you know you and I like to white. STRAIGHT ABLE BODIED SAYS GENDER like whatever affluent like all of the educated all the layers of privilege that we have you know there are a lot of people who who walk around in every day with like low grade or higher grade anxiety because you know for us like we look at a a cop and we're like oh I think cockle protect me and you know for a person of color. They might talk me like I don't know if that cop protect me or you know looking at me like I'm a criminal right so there. That would speaking about the big little stuff like that. Just another place. Where there's this constant insidious trauma for a lot of people is depending on? How much like aggression and microaggressions you experience in your life as a result of being marginalized person? You're dealing with it every day. From the people who are racist or sexist which we all are. Hey everybody thanks for tuning in. We're just GONNA take a quick little break to hear word from more sponsor. Hi there. I'm calling walkup. I'm the the CO founder and co CEO of my buddy green and back at home a mom to our toddler and our four-month-old. Believe me when I tell you that sometimes the hardest part of my day is taking just the smallest moment to slow down breath deep in clear my mind so I'm actually GonNa do that not right now with my cup of Yogi tea and I hope you'll join me. Thanks to our friends at Yogi tea for the reminder to pause from the days constant movement and stream of information it's so nourishing to find a few restorative moments amid the chaos around you instead of just adding to it so on that note. Let's get back to our episode so something else you also touched on and I think so. Many people pull not struggle with us. But it's just the way they're wired. Yeah the hype a someone. WHO's you know sets? Goals strives for perfection. Yeah but it it. It's hard to be. I would say it's hard to be successful without striving to be perfect in many ways Tony. What's that delicate? Balance of wanting to be the best and working hard at the same time not having it be potentially unhealthy. Yeah that's such a great question and I think it's the bounce. A lot of people yearn to find if they're aware that this is something they struggle with. And I think it was kristen nephew. coined the term healthy striving and so ultimately. We want to be able to find a place where we're more process over outcome oriented. You know where we find ourselves like as Cliche as it is journey exactly. Didn't even have to say yes so being able to kind of just be more present focused and and enjoy the journey. And you're kind of thinking you're not living your life with this perspective. That's like when I got my company when I get the diamond ring on my finger. You know when I alike by my apartment when I lose ten pounds like when I do this kind of thing that I'll be happy and it's not so much alike like this. This striving for goals of the Seeking speaking of whatever you know the the goal is that you're moving toward isn't so much alike. I'm only going to be enough if it's more like this is my north star. This is my like it coming from a place of values of something that is meaningful for me and not from a place of fear and wanting to like conform to society's expectations of mine. which again like? We've got to be realistic. Obviously there are social norms and social expectations or societal expectations. In this script that we follow that we might align with. But we're not like we're not moving toward whatever that goal is again from this place of fear and anxiety and not enough nece and compromising are like relationships and like for friendships and connection and meaning meaning and rest and self Karen introspection like four in pursuit of this goal. So what's your one minute. Elevator pitch slash advice to someone someone in New York a major cities like clearly like ambitious and working hard listening to this podcast on their commute or in their subway. You know. I think you're speaking to do a Lotta people right now and it's so hard to totally so okay. Let me ask you a question. Come up with it because you know some one of my challenges is generalizing using the stuff. Because I'm such a subjective like working on one of people's like well if you don't see it as if you're happy it's like who am I to say that you should live your life differently right like that. Maybe and maybe that's the pitch right like it's like. Everyone thinks that they should be living their life this way or they should be living their life that they're doing this right or they're doing this wrong and ultimately it's like no no it's your world you create the own script your own story your own script that you want to follow in your life but ultimately like if you're feeling really disconnected if you're feeling chronically tired like if you're feeling anxious have you feel a lot of that shame and depression and sometimes it takes time to even recognize. That's what we're going through. Then maybe that's a signal that they're to tell you that like you're not living a life aligned with your values news and it might be no coach or therapist And and you know maybe like I would say come back to expectations. Sure I think we we whether it's expectations for ourselves expectations for other people around US expectations for life. We all have unrealistically high expectations and as a result were chronically. Disappointed were chronically ashamed at anxious and stuff like that and I remember once a supervisor said to me. The difference between like expectation and reality. He is where all the suffering lies and it was so profound. It's so true because it's like if you can either remove expectation which can be challenging. I usually tell people. Just come up with a whole bunch of different centers as opposed to attaching expectation. And that's the way to have like less expectations. But if you can remove expectation or if you can at least make them really realistic and be less attached to them. Then it's you're far more likely to hit them and life is far more likely to hit them for you and you're going to feel more useful and feel more relaxed and not always always feel like resentful as though people are letting you down or you're letting yourself down or life you've been dealt about hunt and part of the reason for that is because we're surrounded by social media. We're surrounded by Disney movies fairy tales. Right now easy. We're surrounded by the stuff that basically says this is how your life like we like Cinderella Sleeping Beauty and the little mermaid and stuff. It's like you're you're worth in. This world. Woman is door or one day woman is to be beautiful and thin and have find a boyfriend. Your husband your Prince Charming Disney so much kinder than instagram. Totally nowadays for sure but either way like as a result we have unrealistic expectations that we place on ourselves and others and what life if is supposed to look like so. This is definitely more than one minute elevator pitch but I would just say like people look at your expectations on yourself. Look your expectations in life and see what it'd be like if you could make them a little bit like gentler and more realistic and that's immediately in that moment and doing that you can alleviate anxiety spill a warning label on your goal to totally if if you're looking for you know just be if you're looking for happiness this will probably not do it and also be mindful of time and effort that it will probably require and if you're okay with still doing it then go out and do it hit rate. I think sometimes we have this whole like all these things that we say and we grew up hearing like never quit or don't ever say note an opportunity anyway. So maybe you should say I go to a lot of opportunities. Otherwise I'd lose my mind you know or lake. I'm sure you do too or like never quickly. Sometimes you have to quit it whether it's you know you're exactly it's knowing when and like making you're doing it from a place again of like intention and like I don't know it'd be being deliberate and wise and stuff like that and so so yeah I I mean I guess with the goal thing it's like use it as your star and like you don't know what's going to happen. I mean if you'd asked me five years ago sitting here I think at this point I had made the decision to move to New York but five and a half years ago. Oh if you'd ask me like what your plan. Megan I'd be like I don't know him like working at this college right now. Maybe I'll start a private practice. Mary my boyfriend. I'm living with at this time. Like get a place in Whistler. I Dunno yeah no like seemed like the life that I want and now here I am like sitting here having this conversation with you in New York City like with my business I love like you know in a very different type relationship like in a very completely different city so we make our goals on you know five year plans and stuff on the information that we have and we don't know what life's going to give us in the meantime so you said knowing when to quit and I think I know myself included in past and happily married now but a lot of people struggle go with that question specifically when it comes to relationships. What is your advice for someone? What what he again? It's hard to generalize. Yeah but Such a question and again yes. You're right it is hard to generalize. I think they're like you know there's sometimes like there's like the deal breaker times when you've got to know when to quit and we as individuals can only come up with those ourselves also but I think like on the whole. I'm if your what I try to ask myself is is my resistance since here or is my desire to leave this relationship coming from a place of ego integrity or like ego or self respect and when when I say ego I mean more like the spiritual sense like like fear or you know a a trigger from my abandonment issues or a fear of being seen or a fear of not being able to be the partner that I believe. This person deserves that. I believe I should be or something like that so it was coming from like something like that and just and just the discomfort of being in relation Jim because as much as relationships are like really beautiful and we all yearn to be in them like for the most part They're deeply uncomfortable. Uncomfortable and deeply challenging and so I think like if a person has that level of self awareness asking yourself as coming from ego like one of those places or is it coming from like integrity and self respects like You know like if my friend or loved one. We're in a relationship like this. I would be really like concern for them or I would be encouraging them to leave or or You know I would i. Maybe I'd be like throwing some German their way or whatever so like like that kind of peace but he's just it's also tough because like when and you're in it you know it's it's very hard to see things in that clear way so I think like you know getting some kind of support and consultation and also knowing that like relationships chips like everything else just like life people tell you. They're an expert on it like. Oh I'm really checks from it like no one's talking relationship expert. We're living in a arrived. Should use the term crazy like like a really look wild time right now when it comes to relationships when it comes to like conversations around like monogamy and longevity what the purpose of a relationship has anymore because we're Rinat like again. Women aren't dependent on men in this isn't heterosexual relationships and speaking but like we're not dependent on men for like a home or for income and you know we live much longer and like there are just so many like we you know. We don't have religion as much as like a barrier so all the reasons we use again to relationships that were very functional practical Mike for Survival purposes is procreation. It's very different. It's shifted along now so I would say just for people who are made have have that question that they're asking you can like ask around and like of course it's important important like be able to externalise and find support in different opinions and stuff but at the end of the day like no one knows the answer question except for you and you're going to be the only person who can make the decision to stay or leave so what I thought. I'll give us everyone as an expert. Okay Yeah please hear your. I mean you've been the one who's been married for. How many years NATORI seizures My my opinion it's not a it's not a leave the reason not to call it quits but I think with regards to life as you mentioned when you know life is filled with its journey. There are potholes. You know there's disease there's like it can be like I love. Life is beautiful but like all these things happen and I think when two people are together and it's early and those things aren't playing a role like everyone's more or less like maslow's hierarchy of needs are taken care of if things are too difficult probably not going to work there needs to be some level like I don't believe everything should be easy but there needs to be like some level of ease because when push comes to shove even like just the regular. Everything's going fine. Like kids. Lack of sleet like if the relationship isn't like on solid ground will unravel quickly. That's by two percents like there needs to be a level of e es and. I think I'm not here to and at least what resonates for me because life is not easy. It's not easy now and it's only and I think being able to Be a partnership and also being able to hear each other's needs and want to meet each other's needs means even if it means compromising your own at times like this you know was speaks to me alluded to earlier off Air Obama Narcissism but oftentimes backstop. Okay yeah it's it's kind of like you know finding yourself in. I've dated many people who you know whether or not there NPD narcissistic personality disorder or at least have like NPD traits I mean nurses are like they're like magnets you know we got to talk so yes so all the hot button issues on one totally totally. Oh my gosh forever but Yeah I mean look like I think we throw any kind of clinical term around a little bit too much like we say like. Oh this person. Is You know narcissistic or they're borderline or the euro CD or whatever that thing but either way like you know traits of narcissism like you know include the sort of like grandiose sense offensive self-important send actually the interesting thing. Is that most people who are narcissistic. or how those coldeze are actually deeply insecure underneath. And it's more of like veneer veneer. The way of relating to the world that whether conscious or unconscious is a way of coping with this like dark. Shame at the core that they believe you. You know they're unlovable and they're not good enough so they cannot. This is why nurses have really hard time taking feedback. Wherever like they'll never admit they're wrong because like the literally never like the Telltale Sign Number One holy admit defeat may never they never yeah? They'll never admit they're wrong. They're also lake leaky today. Apologize I know I E or if they do it's like a it's it's still manipulative like it's like I. It's not like because they actually think their story or it might be like you know people like. I'm sorry I'm sorry you feel that way or like I'm certainly were like never tell somebody I'm sorry you feel that way like as like an. It's not an apology like like. Maybe like I'm sorry you're going through this right now now like as in a genuine. I'm sorry you know you're you know you've lost your friend your parent or whatever but not like well. I'm sorry you feel that way. I hurt your feelings but I didn't you know so so yes notoriously kind of invalidating power dynamic There's a lot of like You'll hear a lot of like like name dropping bragging of certain things things like like a like They just seem like can often seem like quite conceded What else I'm trying to think of other kind of like telltale somewhere like the? I'm sorry do you feel that. That's like a Mike that happens every relationship. Sometimes I would say but like if you start to see a lot of that guys and girls listening Ron never exactly. And if they're just like always invalidating feeling never taking responsibility Or never leave the always have to be kind of right and there's never kind of like I'm learning from you or something like Saria I i. I'm sorry I fucked up my fault exactly exactly. I'm is my story or I don't know or oftentimes they'll ask someone like. Oh do you know such. They'll be like Yup. I'm familiar with that. Yep I noticed that it's like a very obscure thing for you to be familiar with. Maybe you've read everything but they often are very very smart as well. So that can be quite attractive. another thing like quite focused on appearances so like whether it's you know they want like the attractive person on their arm to kind of like make them and feel more powerful or they just want to be at like you know whatever they feel important go to the important party. It'd be the important person and there's just kind of more of like an air about that Although like I I I again with the generalizing thing like I also encourage people to do their own research on this one because like they're sort of like the profile of the narcissists but then there are also also legal lot of narcissistic qualities that people bring to the table and you might not think it because he might be like. Oh well this person is like I read something interesting recently. That was like actually often. and has when people are quite like super self deprecating super southeast things. Sometimes that can also be like a bit of like a narcissistic called. Because there's just like a hyperlink focus on like the salary Paul narcissists everyone to some degree as narcissistic qualities. In certain circumstances some people might describe it as being like too much attachment to ego which which is primarily which is Kinda like carrying what people think can bring performance than like not being if there is even such thing as a true self but not being in touch with just like being being the authentic self but more like to perform eagle like Saul. So yeah I mean we all have like we all have an element of narcissism and actually like another. Can't remember who this person was. WHO said this but another like professional in this area has said like there's healthy narcissism right? There's a health element going to a party that everyone wants to be out or something. I mean Gosh I think branding ourselves on social media like it's been very challenging for me to be like let me take another photo of myself host. This is just a photo of me like a caption and this is so odd. That people might want to read this this by personal brand exactly so so. Yeah the but but definitely like M. Paths tend to be more drawn to narcissists assistant vice versa because nurses are kind of like the they see them as prey in a way. Like there's sort of a cycle that Narciso through where ultimately they knew become what they call the narcissistic assist supply. And so if you're someone who has a lot of compassion and like you know like maybe doesn't have the highest sense of self worth and kind of used to being treated Shitty You don't pick up on the signs that someone's like dismissing invalidating. You or that their behaviors inappropriate and so he put up with a law. And you're trying to fix them and help them and get into this kind of codependent dynamic Amac and so the narcissistic supply. We become that when we're like basically feeding the EGO. They were supplied to their ego. So that their egos like okay like yes this person this like they need me to so important and then eventually once you know they're you're no use to them anymore. They discard with the process. What's called like discarding? So that's how people people feel like. Oh no like. I've just like band but one thing I'll say for anybody who's been through that is. oftentimes narcissist will abandon or discard their prey when the prey becomes issue strong when they become destroying a start to realize the cracks. And they're like no. I'm going to hang out with my friends or like no. That's not okay that you did that thing. They're like okay. I can't bat year round like a half dead mouse anymore. So like I'm going to take off and find another one so usually if you've been discarded it's actually like a sign you've been stronger any advice for 'em pass out there. Yeah Something that I term I came came up with a guy came up with ultimately when I decided stop having communication with my dad was. Don't down in the crossfire. Someone else's war with themselves and I think oftentimes especially as like helpers and pass people who are super passionate we get in the crossfire. Someone's wore that. They're having with themselves and we oftentimes don't even realize it because again. Maybe it's something we've been used to where we don't know how to recognize like inappropriate or disrespectful treatment mint especially as women Not to say that it's just women who go through this so I guess my advice would just be like you might have so so. I talked earlier about how ultimately with mindfulness and self compassion. And what not we want to be able to recognize are difficult to motion and know if that emotion is something we should act on or not and it's the same thing with the difficult emotions we have when someone is like suffering in front of us or we have like an urge to help run urged to forgive or an urge to like respond to someone's seeming seaming suffering with our compassion so the example here is like you know whether it was like in my case in that instance I shared or let's say an dating example and someone's it's like. Oh you know this they might. Oh I'm so sorry. It might be like an apology but again it's all in manipulation Oh I can't live with you know I need you or no like you're you're the most amazing woman I've ever met or something and you're starting to feel dislike urged to forgive or the site compassionate all where they've gone through such a rough time you know. They had a really tough childhood so excuses for them. And you start like you have this urge because you see them suffering and dots uncomfortable for you and you WANNA turn off that suffering helping them. That's another opportunity for mindfulness. So just like you stay with me when you get on the plane and remind yourself that flying is the safest mode of travel or I stay with my anxiety before I come on this podcast and you know create more realistic expectations agents for myself and do whatever I need to do. The show that scares me. It's the same thing with sitting with the discomfort of wanting that urgency that like compulsion that not really uncomfortable feeling of being like. Oh this person's suffering and I want to help them and be like no like they're at war with themselves and you're actually being endangered by stepping into that and you need to walk away and and be okay with them not being okay and it's not your. What's the circus? Don't my monkeys kind of thing sir. And in that so much easier to spot. It's super hard to spot. Yeah and that's where I mean mean obviously like you know consultation therapy or coaching whatever is generally necessary. So let's close with the gut brain in connection Cher. We've talked about. Yeah you know I mean. I'm so glad that over the last several years at this point it seems I mean you guys are always at the forefront of the stuff and I think it's been several years that that's been kind of a topic or was before since it's been initially a topic at revitalize fourteen. Yeah exactly Ramsey Z.. And lots of other exactly and so you know. We've we've learned that like you know there's serotonin production in the got like the mind is not just in the head. The mind is like you know. That's often misnomers right term but like dis- making the binary of the mind and the body or the mind body connection even in itself is not necessarily surly helpful because like the mind. Include the body. So you can save the brain body but like the mind is is influenced by the got by. I mean trauma in are held in our emotions. Sion's and our and our hips and you know wherever else and stuff so again coming back to this idea that like so many of us believe that we have like a mental illness which like as an aside aside. I don't even like that terminology. I think it's a way that we situate mental health challenges within the individual and like pharmaceuticals companies. Make a lot of money and you know we avoid conversations around gun uncontrolled and stuff like that by being like well. No it's it's the individual's fault is not the fact that we're like you know overworked and under slept in undernourished and like disconnected. And you know so much break all that kind of we've always had there's just something much bigger time wait much bigger play and select. This is one of those topics and so we don't realize licet like you know. In addition to all of those other things I mentioned or like the other eleven lifestyle factors that make you feel depressed. They may I wrote about in that article. One of them is our microbial or our gut bacteria and ensuring that that is you know balanced and and healthy and our digestion. Is this like you know. A lot of holistic doctors are natural passer. Chinese medicine. Doctor is functional. Medicine are always curious about digestion. Right because it's a signal it's telling us whether or not you know our got is is healthy and so it's interesting because for me like personally I always had struggled with some issues like when I was a really a young kid like I mean in my teens and I remember my doctor putting me on a super heavy and acid. 'cause I just the worst stomach aches am. I don't know at this point if it was related to stress or if that was the way that my like my depression was manifesting or maybe it was like a sensitivity or an intolerance is to a food. I'm always careful with that because I do think like too. Many of us are like gluten. Free dairy free free of everything when it's more of like an eating disorder at the root of that But either way like I struggled with for a long time and even remembering university like I would notice I'd be like Oh if I like if I like drink alcohol sometimes my stomach stops hurting or trying to all these. We're things that clearly. There's nobody drink alcohol. Try to fix gut bacteria But anyway this is all to say that like what I realize like over. Many years was my mental. Health was very very connected to my digestion. And my friends joke because like we'll go to Vegas for three days and I'll be like guys I just. I need to find some vegetables like and it's not about like being being restricted over low calories. It's like no like my body does not digestion work. And then I don't sleep. I get really anxious like I feel depressed. I kinda feel like my body's rotting so I noticed like over many years just how much what I ate actually impacted my mood And then of course all this literature started it. Come out around like the gut brain connection and I realized you know Interesting what happens when I take a probiotic and kind of experimented myself and stuff like that so so I always recommend that my clients take a probiotic. They're not taking one already. And we talk about diet and again it's trickier when you're working in eating disorder recovery which I do a lot of still because oftentimes oftentimes inventory will try to find ways to tell a person to restrict and they can't have that or the can have this and we'll just say to that a lot of times with eating disorder recovery. You people are like ooh intolerant to lactose or this or that and it's because they may have avoided a food for so long so you're not making the enzyme anymore so like for me. I'm fine with dairy now but I wasn't find with Derry. Sorry for a while because I Restricted at Bris along. I stopped making lactase right. So anyway the whole coming back to the probiotic stuff and you know. I think we're our job when we're working with our mental health is to just understand what works best for us and so we have to look at so many different areas. And that's why it's like. It's kind of this like puzzle that we're trying to figure out for ourselves so that's one area where it's like. It is very unlikely that it's going to hurt. If you supplement you know a probiotic in your diet or a few just just eat a more kind of like got happy diet. And I'm sure you know you have all sorts of probably resources and articles on that but yes like fermented foods and foods that are naturally higher higher occurring and probiotics and stuff like that. And if you do food intolerances or things that upset your stomach. You know being mindful of how much you're consuming if that kind of thing more like you know alkaline versus ascetic diets and stuff like that and just notice like how does how does your mood like for me. If I'm not taking probiotic I truly we notice that will one I. My digestion is not normal in two as a result or connected to it. I'm are depressed and more anxious than don't sleep as well and stuff like that. He should have the same favorite one. Yes exactly exactly. No I mean I thought this off air but truly I've because of travel and stuff like that I'm I I. I've always had refrigerated products because I find the best and other ones I really noticed the difference with and since traveling a lot more in recent years with work They have not been able to find a shelf stable one that actually works. And I'm like are these. Just placebos are sugar pills like what's going on here and I tried the mind body. Green probiotic little plug here and it was like a game changer. I'm super excited about it. I love it. I don't know if you knew this as long as I can. Remember struggled struggled with regularity. Okay Okay No. I didn't struggle with lots of things. We don't have enough time in the PUCK. But it wasn't 'til taking ours where it's like. I don't have this. Yeah that's amazing. Well it must be rewarding for you and it works a say like of all the things in my life that are unpredictable. That's one thing thing I liked predicted predict one thing. It's regularity totally. Glad you love it so my last question Lots unpack talk here but something else. We've we've talked about is intermittent fasting some of the pitfalls. Yeah intermittent fasting. Gosh I mean I know it's very trendy right now and lots of mixed opinions Again I think I think like health and wellness. It's so individual and we do need to really be honest and aware about what works for us but my concern with intermittent fasting is. It's very triggering for anyone. Who has can you SORTA history or who is perhaps more vulnerable to eating disorders? Who At least there's there's so much we don't know about eating sorta still like everything but like one theory that we tend to work with is something called the loaded gun theory which means like a person has kind of a six in his career so to scare people from trying anything that might like? Make the gun go off. But ultimately the ideas that eating disorders there is a genetic vulnerability to it so like for me and my family like both Oh sides like for the most part some of like eating disorder addiction like over exercising. Whatever it's all related And so if you have a propensity density to it and then what triggers most eating disorders is dieting Then you're something like intermittent fasting which is dieting heading which is restricting will set that off and so basically Intermittent fasting there. So it's like an umbrella term harm right but I mean it's very different depending on your window so some people might be like. Oh well you know. Intermittent fasting window is like twelve hours That's like that's like relatively normal if you're going from like eight. PM Eight am or whatever. Like most people I mean I think this is most noble full. Breakfast is down for break fast. So of course. There's GonNa be a fasting period at night usually unless you wake you're starving and you're going out having drinks and then getting pizza. I totally which also is like normal and part safe and you know in eating disorder recovery to the body. Because it's been in such a starvation mode it will really increase Graylan and like like your you still believe that there's food scarcity and you're basically starving and so a lot of people in the recovering from eating disorders. They are hungry all the time. I'm an getting up and eating in the night and it is really important to honor that hunger and to like teach your body again. That food is scarce and it can trust you. And that's how you move more toward intuitive eating but but ultimately with Intermittent fasting you know people are GonNa try to. We're GONNA try it but it is not a silver bullet and what it can do is it can trigger an one eating disorders too can create a make it so that like our hunger in society cues are externalised this is what does so whereas ultimately we want to be able it. Just eat as we did when we were like how we were born. which is like eight when you're hungry? Ideally stop near Foolish. You know sometimes again. There's room for this intuitive eating. Sometimes you do eat for comfort. Sometimes you do eat more than like you normally would or pass the tidy. Maybe it's Thanksgiving you know. Maybe it's a holiday be really wanted to help the anniversary cake with your like you. You don't need to always be like I'm only eating when I'm hungry and stopping fold or I'm only like mindful eating like sometimes eat watch. TV when you eat. That's fine like and so I want to normalize all that because I think again in our wellness in this world we often. I always say oftentimes like a lot of the specific examples. You mentioned whether it's celebration and birthday cake holidays like I've said this before here but it's an important point the stress of not eating negates probably the benefit of of eating. Like if it's GONNA stress the shit out of eat or not eat. The cake and I would argue view. That's worse K.. Just don't do it. Every day. And the thing is when we stop restricting their psychological restriction in physical restrictions so when we stop restricting both psychologically logically so we're like. I'm allowed to have cake if I want cake and physically like we're not starving ourselves to you know as a mode of trying to lose weight that ultimately like usually does not stay off because that's not usually our bodies are are a size for a certain reason and we just know. Dieting doesn't work but ultimately like when you stop doing that kind of restriction. Then you're as you're like it's I tough had like the best texts this holiday season from a couple of clients who I've been working on intuitive eating with because they're like Megan it's amazing like I was around like a plate of cookies yesterday at like my a holiday party at the Office Party. I'm like I didn't want them not because like I didn't think I should have them. I actually wasn't craving them and I wasn't possessing over them and then like you know but the next day I had this and so coming coming back into intermittent fasting basically I just really encourage people to be mindful of their intention behind. Why they're doing this Be Skeptical of of who the Professional Sousse recommending it most like professionals who are really learned in the space like well coal for example they know to task for eating disorders. Make sure person doesn't have a history of owner ability. He to that. If you're a woman it can really fuck with your hormones especially if you're under certain body exactly it can really fuck with your hormones which has all sorts of you know other complications locations. You know osteoporosis. And stuff like that for too low body weight you know if we start having a period. That's you know. We need a period to be able to prevent osteoporosis. And so if you really really like absolutely no need to try like I just. I'm so interested in this and I think it could work for me. I would say particularly for women. Make sure you're fasting. Window is not too big like the honestly like twelve to like sixty hours maximum. Like I don't even I mean I wouldn't recommend that I would say like twelve to fourteen hours so not a couple of things we talked about earlier. Why love these practices so much one yoga and then the other? You know mindfulness meditation breath work. Is you start to feel talked about you. Start to feel your body starts born to and I think he start to no one like I really I want this I need versus like like. Is this a mindless is mindless donut. Eating or is it mindful. donut eating totally. There's a little bit of a difference in the mindful. Lunch is more enjoyable enjoyable. But those practices help you become more in tune with like whether it's hunger trump lake you name it exactly and ultimately we just want to figure out like our relationship to food or or relationship to our bodies or to life or to sadness. Whatever like because I think again like we yes we want to ultimately like eat a donut? mindfully maybe because we want what actually experienced the donut and also like there are times where you know. We're so distressed and the option is like heroin or donate you have the fucking donut. And don't Judge Yourself. You Know Donna Plan Gluten Free donuts now I did not know that it's changed my perspective on my Gosh. Yeah exactly so you don't have to. It doesn't mess with. I think it's like life is genesis of again cliche. Life is short. But it's like we're just I think oftentimes were you know. Don't get me wrong. I'm all about like wellness but I think I'm very eighty twenty and I think like declared wellness wellbeing exactly. Yes and it's like there's room in in in well being and wellness for these like joys of life like that. We're here to experience and I think oftentimes we perfectionism if I'm comes into the wellness or wellbeing experienced. We have to be. I have to always do this or I can't do that. And we isolate or sold through that. And we disconnect ourselves and we create a lot of anxiety and you know again like at the end of the day like we're not here for a very long time like focus on connection focus on meaning and if you don't have the donut and don't be yourself up for having the donut you know. Be Present with donate whatever and like I think we're all just trying to like avoid our mortality and we think that if we like you know don't eat gluten weakened and somehow like not feel uncomfortable feelings die and I'm sorry like you can have a perfect diet and you're still going to die and you're still gonNA feel uncomfortable. I love. We'll close there you. The two of my favorite quotes. If you have gluten your slogan if you don't have to die if you if you if you want the donut donut what was I think. I'm probably just like like eat. It and it and like a donut like joy donut have it Walter. Donut donut totally. Close there Ed. Thanks so much thank you.

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Made to Mend: Megan Bruneau, M.A., RCC

Made for That

1:24:04 hr | 2 years ago

Made to Mend: Megan Bruneau, M.A., RCC

"I. I think we all wish heartbreak looked like it does in the movies. unfortunately, it doesn't. It isn't reserved for private moments with a bottle of wine and a friend shoulder. It's always they're. Threatening to surface at any moment. It's shows up as a breakdown in the middle of the produce aisle at the site of a red pepper, you'll never cook with him again. it knocks the wind out of you at a crosswalk. When you see a man, put his hand on the small of a woman's back and you realize. Hell never touch you like that again. It drops your heart into the pit of your stomach when department store start to decorate for Christmas and you're suddenly very aware that he might be bringing someone new owned as family. It's every good song funny moment milestone interesting email fun fact accomplishment adversity do jar of peanut Butter Job Opportunity Inside Joke Wedding Invitation Newborn Baby Holiday Cup of Coffee Sip of Scotch new outfit or Sunday morning. That you'll never share with your best friend again. An all disappears in the matter of one sentence. heartbreak isn't some right of passage set to a romantic soundtrack. It is this at face on the subway or bit distraction at the office. It's actually one of the most hideous things a human hostile and tour. It's an all consuming nearly fatal seemingly never ending grief that won't let up. Until one day. It does. Brief is not linear and. Make Room for all sorts of emotional thought on the shitty thing is it takes time. But like the great thing is it just takes time. That's Meghan vernal an NYC based therapist writer and woman whose mission is to normalize the human condition. In other words. She's here to let you know it's okay not to be. Okay. We, cover a lot of ground in this episode. From heartbreaking loss to Megan's moved to New York City. To psychedelics to perfectionism and the problem with reaching potential. I hope this episode serves as a reminder that were all in this together. I. A Therapist Executive coaching assets like my trade colleague described at once and years ago and so I have a masters in counseling psychology. I today work a lot with entrepreneurs and just like high-achieving C. Level folks and whatnot who Tend to not realize that there are holding themselves back from like success and happiness by being really hard on themselves and not giving themselves permission to feel their normal human feelings and not actually be aware of like what some of those feelings are telling them that they may should actually west. And they have unrealistic expectations on themselves and they place their self worth and outcomes, chievements and appearance and stuff like that. Really all those things I just described are. Perfectionism. So that's kind of my area of specialization and it often manifests as depression or anxiety or even disorders. Addictions that kind of thing. So that's kind of like the area that I really focused on I also speak my right and I have a podcast myself and I live in New York and I do all of that here. I've been here for about four years working for myself. But prior to that I was in Mangku Ver I worked at a college I worked with the students who were dealing with mental health challenges and While I. was there like leaving my super comfortable life and living with my boyfriend and you know playing soccer team and having a great like. Pension eight and a half weeks vacation job at a college. I kind of realized that I was like helping people work through the perfectionism and do ship that scared them. But I wasn't really doing shit that scared me and I was like man I mean I really always wanted to. Change, the world in the CABBIE impact. And I loved new. York so much. I'd I'd visited several times after like a really rough break up and you know trying to kind of like do more traveling and get over it and do my comfort zone. And I just had never thought that I could actually live there because in Canadian it's it's not so easy. So you know Yada Yada Yada some wonderful amazing opportunities came about and I really do believe the universe behind me and I ultimately did make the move to New York to kind of practice what I preach to step into uncertainty and you try to change the world though that's what I'm here doing we're trying to do what was what was the opportunity that came up for you for New York. Yes. So Am I. Back. When I was. At finished my masters and I had graduated from my look prestigious program and was quite certain that I would have no problem getting a job not long before you know I was talking lead opted heartbreak a twenty eleven and my world turned upside down I. Also right around that time could not get a job and I was recovering from at the time the I'd struggle with blaming you for many years before that. But at the time I was covering Xia and one of the things that was part of my recovery was yoga I'm simply because well, I had had tony exercising injuries that might physical therapist was like you actually can't do anything. Physical unless at the only thing, I will allow you to do. And I had started doing that and while I like begrudgingly had begun doing it and. Really. Thought it was just like boring stretching I started to notice like sleeping a bit better and I was just like feeling a little less anxious I started to realize like, wow, I think yoga actually is having one of its I don't know exactly like how this is working but somethings working but because I couldn't find a job and I just finished like seven years of school I couldn't afford it because it's not cheap and so I was like well, maybe I can just get a job at Yoga studio like front desk and so. I got a job at this Yoga Studio And It's funny because I remember at the time my my grandpa died and it at his funeral like so many hadn't seen for years and they were like, oh my gosh, just finished her master's what are you doing for work, Reading For work And like I'm the first thing people I'd be like, Oh, I'm like you can't Yoga studio but I'm also volunteering at this like Association for survivors of Trauma, and I'm like managing this group of volunteers with is like eating disorder treatment centre. Starting in private practice and finally by like. You know the tenth or Fifteenth Person I was like I. Clean. Not Studio. So I people in. Our it was like such a good exercise and letting go of EGO. But anyways, fight there I was working for twelve dollars an hour cleaning mats. And The Yoga, studio I had a blog and I had actually recently started a blog on my own, and I was like, well, maybe if I start contributing to the yoga studios blog. Can Get some more people I can drive traffic might walk. So I contributed to this yoga, studios. And Little did I know you know I? Guess some people actually read it and? This larger publication at the time called my Yoga Online, which is now TV or Whatever it is on the to me and they're like, Hey, we love your article one right for us and I remember that moment being like, wow, lake like people actually want to read what I have to say like this. Actually they want me to actually week right for them and I was absolutely Started writing for them and in the meantime also like well, maybe also pitch this misplaced my green 'cause I loved their articles and I thought like it can write some stuff about mental health. And so you know eventually I had an article published with them and it did really well, and they invited me this conference where they have like founders and implementers and. Contributors and I didn't know what like a founder entrepreneur was like I'd never heard those terms before and I truly didn't believe that a person could start your own business like had a business degree like I just assumed that was like necessity for starting on business. So I went to this conference. And it was just like life changing I mean I was around all these people who have started I don't know they're like like granola supplement companies and pangs or they'd like Browning themselves as that you know some sort of thing sway or our mental health expert or whatever Dietitian kind of thing, and it was just this whole world that I didn't know existed known as the wellness industry. You talk like wonderful things about it and also things that make me. Very angry but anyway so they basically. Had invited me to this and it was just like a really incredible experience while I was there. I was talking to someone who had a company like Southwest Company and I told him about how much of New York and he was like, well, I was like, but I can never work there. Canadian and he's like well actually like what you describe you do were actually looking for someone like you at her company we're looking for someone who can be like a psychological wellness consultant and maybe come work for me and so I was like fuck ya like. Where do I sign I? Don't want you to change your mind and so basically through that conference I met somebody who Swanson my first either here in new. York. And I worked there for like six months the startup which was like whole other story in itself that I yeah. That got me to new. York and then that I was able to over time apply for another visa that allows me to work here because I've had so many of these like articles and stuff like that. So I can prove that I'm a quote unquote alien, of extraordinary, ability. SEATTLE. So that's basically it was the opportunity that got here and like fabric. Great. Wow. That like Oh, one visa or something isn't it? I think I've done my research and Dreaming Of the same moves. So obviously, the interest me. Yeah absolutely start trying to get published in as many places as possible. I have gray lawyer anyone listening. So is this. I mean going back to before you went to school and everything. Why did you choose? Psychology and more specifically perfectionism like what is it about your experience in life that? Were like that made you feel pulled toward that. Yeah. Well, I mean I've always wanted to be a therapist like I really was one of those rare kids who never had that. Crisis after they got their, you know anthropology degree or whatever, and was like, fuck. What do I do now sociology degree I am one of those people. I. Mean Everywhere your every day because again, like we're taught, just go get a degree and then you won't have to worry you know and it's like well, no, that's how it works. You basically have the choice to go to law school be a teacher or like get a master's in your field, and even then you're not guaranteed anything. So. I think that's why a lot of people fortunately like we've really had the democratization of entrepreneurship. On technology being able to create digital product and stuff like that. So I mean, I have every bit of in you care that you will like not. You know you will. You will find something of what you are finding something. You know you will continue to do amazing things and be creative and and change the world and everything like that. But I I get it I mean I'm surrounded by people who are in a very similar place and have those types of liberal arts, degrees and whatnot in her like what the fuck I feel like I was promised that it would have one of these crises like twenty six or whatever. So. Anyway. I was yeah. I never went through that really like wanted to be a therapist from a young age I remember specifically having a conversation with my dad and being. Down, I want to be a singer. Terrible singer and he was like you're never gonNA make it. It was there and he was right for sure and I was like well, then I want to be an artist could buy love like painting and drawing, and he was like, well, you can be an artist with a holiday. Now. Want to be a journalist I loved writing and. You. Know I guess like I don't even know how I knew what to journalists was but I think my brother like took a journalism course or something and. They were like you don't need to make enough money as a journalist, and then I was like well, I want to be like, Oh, I, want to talk to people living or something along the lines of that because I always talk I. Think I was like jokingly with, is there a job where you can just talk to people? You'll yeah, that is a job as really wants to call. It's called a psychologist and so okay I want to do that and you know on top of really loving talking and loving people and stuff like that and not being a good fit for me. I'm my parents went to a pretty rough split up over the course of several years when I was from I was like eight to twelve and it really really severely impacted my mom. And So I kind of was put into what we call current fide role where I basically like I remember sitting on the edge of her bed. When I was eight, remember her being like I just I just can't close the door to your dad because he kept coming like leaving and coming back and. Wanting just choose the law. Because I thought, it was like talking about literal front door like I understand that a four and so that's just like I have those memories and that just like. It goes to show how young I was where I started to find myself in a role of like the listener the helper you know the advice giver and stuff like that, and you know it's not to say that I wasn't like an angry resentful rebellious teenager who was so mad at her for like you know the pain that she was in. and. I didn't understand it until I an owner heartbroken. You know like fifteen years later or whatever but But yeah. So I was like really just kind of put into that role and it was just natural and then also just fast and was psychology, and so I started taking psychology in like we had it grade eleven and twelve at my school. And so I took it in school in a man I like I knew I was going to do like mandrake garden it my master's. And along the way as I mentioned like I'm started struggling with eating disorders I think long before I actually was believed like when I was gleaming probably thinks fifteen to. Luke Twenty one or twenty, two and longtime. Yeah. It was a really long time and that was kind of my main coping mechanism and but even before that, I, remember like dieting like even in elementary school and being like really aware of my body and my weight and like not wanting to be fat and like restricting and stepping on the scale and feeling shame around like you know I remember reaching like eighty pounds unfeeling really ashamed. and. And you know I mean instant Karma there. But I was never like overweight. I mean it was never something that people like really tease me about until high school I remember is calling like fender five because I played soccer my whole life. Same nickname. Oh my gosh I like four guys like back to it I'm like Oh like you and you and you. Knew what you were doing So yeah. Struggling with an eating disorder like especially when like bulemia there's so much shame around it and so I just didn't know what to do. I felt sort of control and I remember I like went to go get help I went to some I like bust down to some. Intake clinic or something this awful experience with this like probably pretty beginner intake counselor who was like didn't know what empathy was just like peppered with questions and I was like, okay well. Obviously nobody can help me with this. So I guess I'm just can't figure myself. So, that was when I like was like all right I'm going to really devote myself to psychology and I was also struggling with depression and anxiety again, which I didn't really know at the time like I just thought that was normal because when not what you're living with You don't realize that like the thoughts and feelings and things that you're having are symptoms of something greater and so like I look back on my writing from when I was. Even. Like a young kid like. Like eight or nine journals and my. My Journal entries are really like stick with anxiety like like I remember reading a journal. It was just like I think something bad's going to happen. I can just feel I nothing bad is going to happen you know like so there's a lot of anxiety through that and then the poetry I used to write from like maybe thirteen to seventeen or whatever. Because that was something I used to do with just come home unlike crime rate poetry and it was just like it was all suicidal really like dark and I don't think I was suicidal like I was just a very emo teenager. EMINEM and kickboxing my basement and I got really drunk a lot and I like Swaardt at my Momma Lot and. I was really angry and I was really angry at my dad and didn't talk for a long period of time and so just like I was really struggling and I didn't have the words to describe what I was struggling with and because I was like still pretty successful in school and I was like on the sports teams and I, got straight as was Torian and like not kind of thing I am not I don't think anybody really noticed So so yes, there was all that and then the summer after my first year of university in my Undergrad I got a car accident and I got diagnosed with PTSD and I had like my my first experience of. Like what we call big T. TRAUMA Relational trauma or childhood trauma and whatnot growing up. But that was my first experience of like something that gave me flashbacks lake and made it. So they couldn't drive amended reifer years after that and so became again like more thoroughly fascinated with. The mind and. Trauma up like that, and that was my first experience of going to a therapist. I like started see consistently. So it was just and then through that I began to talk more about like my eating disorder and yet it just kind of always reinforcing never really had any departure from that desire to be therapist. So it's it's I've been really lucky. It's kind of just been like a calling thing for me. I've seen you take a really interesting approach to. Like online it's so i. feel like why people connect with you so much is because. oftentimes. People have experience when they go to see a therapist that it's sort of like this one sided thing where they're the expert and your the person with the problem, and there's no way to relate to that individual who's helping you because they don't seem flawed. And show our hard to feel a really strong connection but you're so vulnerable online and like you just put yourself out there and talk about the things that you've been through what you've experienced and people just relate so much to that. How did you? was that a decision like an intentional thing that you did a decision you may be that type of person online or is that something that just kind of happened organically. Yeah that's a great question and in. Thank you care I really appreciate you being at and Tony because people people bring that up a lot with me but I don't think anybody's actually ever asked that question like whether or not it was intentional decision. I you know break reflecting on it. I don't think it was like I. think it happened quite organically like so I started my blog and I always felt really uncomfortable about blogging like it seemed very self centered or like self-indulgent I didn't see the point in really understood like we very much were present as like blog culture evolves right so. Why are these people writing these like online journals and who are these like voyeurs who are really interested in it and I've never really understood like reality TV either like I'm I'm definitely more like the exhibitionist responsible air, and so I never really got it I don't understand the point of this that wire people sharing this kind of stuff and so when I started my blog. I was like, okay well, I think the reason that I wanNA start. This is a because I love writing but be because I really do feel like I have this this information is. into the human condition through being a therapist that is valuable because people aren't talking about these things and so I think you know five clients came into my office today and talked about they feel like they're broken and they're not good enough and their failures and hate themselves. You know because they're not happy all the time and like what if I put that out there and when people maybe feel like a little salone if they knew other people felt this way too and so. I started my blog being like well, this is information I want to share, and it's not going to be about me. It's going to be about lake the Common Human Experience Slam now like you know source. empirically supported articles and whatnot which I did for a hot minute but now it's mostly my. You know forays into my neurosis but. You know I sort of being like. Well, here's my article on insomnia our lake. Here's my article on like all the research supported methods of you know working with depression or anxiety, and then you know over time and when I started I was very anonymous like I didn't I had just had my first name I didn't have any pictures I didn't want clients to be able to find me, and so over time I began to sort of insert myself into these articles are these posts. own experience and it got like really positive feedback until I think it wasn't so much like an intentional decision as it was a like positively reinforced Experiment where I started started talking about more about myself mount experiences and you're like, wow, this is so helpful. Thank you so much. And so then it became it challenged the thought that I'd had earlier that was like Oh people sharing experiences such as like self indulgent. Her centered was like actually I, guess it I guess if I share some of these things. People feel less alone or people support it, or it gives people insight into their own experience. So I mean now for the most I don't actually do much logging anymore really like instagram is probably the main place where I share whatever you know my current challenges or some of the observations may have clients and stuff like that. But I don't think it. I think nowadays, it is more intentional simply because. It almost feels like like. I mean I think of I think of the the reasons like I'm on this earth and you know what my purpose is and how it can have an impact and I do think like the one on one work is important and I feel so honored to be able to stand beside people in their darkest moments in like kind of hold their hand or shine a flashlight or whatever, and I think in addition to the one on one individual work you know because of all my privilege because of being you know like. A white able bodied under straight. You know educated english-speaking woman living in a safe country who's like you know still young and attractive enough that people listened her because you know we women become relevant at a certain age unfortunately in our society. and. So I think because of all of that, I'm like well, I have a platform and I have a voice and I have people who listened to Nina letters next to my name. And so I want to do something like different and courageous at the or feel scary sometimes. Because I want change the narrative like I don't WanNA dislike conform to what everybody else is doing Kuzma now my making different. So I. Think like it has become more of a conscious decision as I realized value in it, and that's what helps me. Push through some of my like resistance or vulnerability in the process of like sharing when it feels like scary and hard. To mazing to me that it takes so much courage just to be a human being like everybody else. Totally. It's. Well you know it's Yeah it's amazing and it's fucked up and it's heartbreaking on. It's also what you know our society runs on his shame, right so like our economy or you know materialism is is old built around shame marketing you know is there to say, Hey, you're not good enough. But if you buy this thing or make this change menu might be you know you might belong in society might be lovable that way. So you know I think our default through childhood through socialization and through what we're constantly surrounded by and media on social media and. You know unhealthy relationships somewhat non our life is to feel like we're not good enough and it takes a lot of courage to disappear solves. What's really interesting is I posted something at the beginning of. about a list of books that I was reading and I wrote a little blurb about Reading and. Putting. Ideas into your brain to kind of help you. Be. Hey say the best version of yourself because I don't even know what that means or what that looks like but to help you grow or stay positive or whatever it is you're working toward an. I use the word happy and then a few minutes later you posted something on happiness and I read it and I was like. So I went back and I changed the word from happy to fulfiled because I really realized that what you were saying was not like I didn't want to try and sell that to people because what is happiness? I, mean, that's a whole other conversation but. I just find it to be. Your your work must be challenging because I don't know how you don't get stuck between helping someone grow but also instilling in them that they don't need to always be better because in order to get away from that mentality, you do have to do a lot of self work. And or work with someone to help you do that. To get to that point but then it's also you're focused on changing yourself. So, how do you how do you balance that totally well. You know I. I really live my life by saying like you are enough as you are and they're still room for change and I think I think one of the big mistakes we make when we focus on. Being better is that within that idea of being better or achieving a goal, there's an implication that like we're not inactive as we are currently or we're not enough until we hit that place of better or achieving the goal. And so I try to help people. Not, only come to a place that. They recognize change can come along side acceptance. But also like. Change really need acceptance stop because if we don't accept ourselves and were rooted in shame and self loathing and rejection. Then we don't have the awareness and the presence in the mindfulness even be able to try to change. We can't even look inside because we hate ourselves so much you know. So Dr, I really work on t to people's self compassion and learning how to like unconditionally love themselves and make space for their imperfection than recognize imperfection as. Part of the human condition and like illusion of reaching potential or reaching place perfection is. Ally or it is not an illusion. So I guess like answer question in terms of like how I balance that it's really like like people come to therapy for the most part to make like a choice or change or gain support that they don't have elsewhere in their lives. So I'm all for a change I mean, we're constantly that's what we are as humans were evolving beings and. Really like as long as there's awareness. In our day to day were were always changing because we're never the same person. We were even moments earlier. We didn't have the information that we came to the awareness that were practicing in. So I, totally support change on a desire for that and I think you know it takes a lot of integrity humility and. Courage to look inside and be like, Hey, business part about myself that I don't love or I want to work on or you know I wonder how different my life could be on my relationships could be if I were to put a little attention here and do something different. But I also like alongside dot support of desire and change I. really encourage people to ask themselves like, why like what am I looking to make change four? Is it because? I want you know more fulfilled relationships or what have less instances of shame and depression and anxiety or? You know I wanNA sleep her or I want. To be able to have sex with being my head about what my body looks like or whatever I'm or do I want to change because I think I'm not good enough because I Ito I. think that I am I am an. Imperfect and that's not okay. Somebody else wants to change from me or you know I'm just I'm just addicted to personal development to my half to like if I if I'm not gonNA, put my tension this place that I'm going to put it on this one always to on all the areas I'm not good enough. Because I need to have a goal to actually feel some sense of meaning and purpose. So I know those long maybe confusing answer but I guess like I just ate it's not that I think like there's anything wrong with change. It's not that there's anything wrong with just accepting yourself not designed changed. I just think it's really important to understand the wire the motivation behind why you're doing either both those things that makes perfect sense. I've gotten stuck. Sometimes, in a in a cycle of personal development as a way of feeling like working on something like just gotten. As you say like addicted to personal development I don't know I don't know if it was. That intense. But I certainly, I'm data collector like I like to wear a fitbit and I liked to track things and I like to see like to measure my improvement on things, which sometimes is is fantastic and it's it gives me reason to celebrate. You know an accomplishment. But. Then if I feel naught. Okay. Without doing that an area of my life that's become a bit aware of we'll see. What you said, why do you need that? Why is what's happening right now? Not Not enough. Yeah and that's like one of the lives of perfectionism we'll tell us right is like you know we need to have complete like control uncertainty and comfort over all sorts of things and. We always be improving and everything needs to be measured and has feed better than yesterday and I mean that gets pretty tough to sustain when you know you. Re constantly raising the bar for yourself and costly working toward things, and also it really takes of moment, right? So like in my opinion, the whole point is to be aware into just like be here. Here's humans because life passes by very quickly was incredibly fragile as we. You know you particularly and I mean if we're always looking ahead to the next goal or the next like achievement than were not actually in the present and those achievements or passing as well. Right like. Is impermanent. Everything is constantly coming and going nothing. Lasts forever nothing permanent and so those experiences of accomplishment are in impermanent as well, and that's why the idea of reach your potential really bothers me because but Henschel is not a fixed rate potential is an experience at one moment in time. So you might feel like, Oh, I, reach my potential you know workwise or fitness wise or in my relationship or whatever. But that's also going to change and it's going to go to different place that doesn't feel like potential anymore. Because, will you hit this place that was like higher happier more euphoric more connected or you know could run faster or whatever, and so then how do you manage no longer being at your potential right and so I think again it a lot of people like to have goals and things to focus on one because you know it can be fun and it. gives us a purpose and meaning, and it can also be a great place to practice discipline, which is a really important skill in life like to be able to do things that don't always feel comfortable and training for something or working towards something can be a great place to practice that because there are going to be a lot of difficult feelings experienced in life such as like boredom or frustration you're gonNa make you WanNa quit on something and it is important like perserverance I in my opinion if we want to be able to. Reach you know. Have certain experiences or or you know break through certain. Not. To hold us back from the things that Tocqueville us but I think. We just again want to be careful, but it's not perfectionism saying like you need to be doing more you need to be doing better. You need to focus on this thing because having miss goal. Is a lot easier to focus on then like the belief that you're not enough as you are or if you achieve school or if you're always focusing something, then people will still let you or they won't leave you kinda thanks. So it really again sort of coming back to that place of awareness and just asking yourself the why questions as opposed to just like doing something because you think you should or your friends doing it or you know Gary v's doing it or someone at instagram's during. This episode is brought to you by hired Hippo Hired Hippo is the fastest way for salespeople to connect with job opportunities based on what they're looking to do next in their career. 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We're doing exactly not only using technology to candidates are looking to do with what companies are offering to make sure that we are making the right notch. Do you think like a lot of that motivation? You know you've said? Maybe someone else's asking you to do x y said and. I. Feel that sometimes that person's not asking at of you, but maybe you think that's what they want and so you place your own ideas about yourself on someone else. But you actually have no idea how that person sees you because it's not really possible to see the world through someone else's Lens. You only have your own experiences and I've find that to be so interesting in how? Well and I actually recently listened to a podcast with Dr. Peter. Attiyah Harris and they were talking about things like I wa- Ska, and that allows you to sort of. See Yourself as though you're on stage in a play, but you're not seeing it through your own eyes. You're seeing yourself as a character on stage just like you see the rest of the world and suddenly you get a different idea of who you are. and. I think that's so fascinating because I've never heard of. There being away. To get out of your own head essentially about who you are. Yeah, I mean I think There are various different ways of experiencing that. Kind of observe herself or. disconnecting from like EGO is probably how they might describe it and meditation is one of the windows into that and you know therapy can be another former window and there is a lot of. Anecdotal evidence and certainly some studies that I think they're working on I. Don't know if there's been any like empirically supported studies released yet that psychedelics are away of achieving consistently that Eagle Estate. But yeah I mean I think. You can you. It might be an expedited avenue to get there as opposed to like I mean I've practiced meditation and Yoga for like a quite a long time at this point and. By no means is it like every time? I predicted administrative a state of Eagle listening but you know there are. A. person can have wear. You do start to become more like an observer self and start to recognize like where you're attaching to expectation or. Ego or A version or whatever, and can kind of do yourself in a way that not. So over identified with yourself I know personally like I've done both GMT. Ska and I'm I'm like a super introspective person as is. So I found actually like with Iowa Ska am I intend to do it again like my experience with I think was pretty mild. But it wasn't a lot different from just when I'm already kind of in my head like I. You know. It's actually kind of funny like I remember sitting there and I was feeling disappointed because it felt like nothing was happening and I was like I'm just like I'm really disappointed. You know I had like I had all these expectations I'd like onto Costa Rica was like I told people like I was ready like a story. And I was sitting there feeling disappointed at like four in the morning. And I remember thinking like. Is it look at that Megan like their ego attaching expectation here your disappointed because you had expected that you were going to have an experience in you're not having. A man I like congratulate myself because I was like, Google look at me not thing that I'm attaching. Each in I recognize my ego when I am. So I'm so proud of myself, and then it was like Oh wait like the will look at that Megan like now. You're now you're congratulating yourself now it's eagles back again and here you are feeling like. You're so much better than other people because you you had the awareness to recognize your ego and it just kind of kept going like layer after layer of bad and you know I again, that's not an uncommon experience for me to go through multiple layers of like. This awareness whether it be in like meditation or whether you just while I'm like you know walking listening to music and kind of reflecting and stuff but. I could attribute some of that to WASCO. I'm not sure if it was because of that or if it was just because I've been sitting with myself for like thirteen hours. That like. Oh. What what? What's my next conflict layer awareness here? But yet I do think like. Some of us are maybe more. Inclined to go to those places of. like self observation more intuitively and other people like it may take additional practice I know from me. Doing, a ton of Yoga and a ton of meditation and really studying Buddhist literature and stuff like that with super helpful for me and being able to just come to more of a place of mindfulness essentially where I can like. Step outside myself in notice like thoughts. I'm having the feelings I'm having and try not to attached to it all too much but the young, he was a lot of really exciting stuff coming out with psychedelics. My intend to I was supposed to do I walk like next week but council Oh. Yeah I know. so that eyebrows like whatever it's all part of the universal plan. So I'll let you know when I have like my more intense Peruvian experience this one was like the Brazilian way. What's. The difference. So. I mean. I have people that I can recommend you speak to I won't say their name over the podcast I don't think they'd want me to, but they're experts on it. Because I, am certainly not an expert on it but. I think the the Brazilian way is a lot more like like it actually still legal in Brazil because it's like a, they use it as a religious I don't know what the term would be a religious like substance of sorts, and so it's very much like like were you know probably eighty of us and we all were waiting like you know music was played. It was a very sort of like. Celebratory Gi like positive experience and I think the Peruvian way is a lot more. You know that's near kind of more individual Shaman take you through it and And like you're lying down on a yoga mat or whatever, and you're closing your eyes whereas this in this case, it was more like a group experience. Okay. But the drug is the same. Yeah I think it's pretty much. The same might be like a slight difference, but it's essentially the same thing. As. So fascinating. Is that Like. I WANNA, be careful with listeners because someone's going through a hard time right now, I don't want them to like book a flight to Peru and like think they can. Drink three it's it's not right that you drink. So. Yeah. I wouldn't want someone to think that. Yeah. A Cup of tea is going to change their life but do is it something that? People. Would do to. Get. Over like an event some sort of trauma or is it more like here? Here's my life leading up until now I'm going to work through. It in a more holistic way to to come out the other side. With a different view. Yeah. I think it's no neither orbit kind of both there and I really want to emphasize do not let that be the first place you go. If you're into like a really tough time or you know you WanNa start working for your childhood trauma like I would always encourage people to start with therapy of it's something like you can afford to have access to you because. You know in my experience especially with d. m., T. which is the substance in Iowa scour the main substance on if I didn't have the skills I have for coping with strong emotions it would have been like incredibly traumatizing. I can tell that story to basically like the guy was with turned into devil. I League went straight to Hell Outta control But because I have like the coping skills developed over many years of therapy and yoga and. South inquiry and whatnot it was like I was I was fine. But it can be people have really bad experiences on psychedelics. They're not either they were the emphasize set and setting. So if you're not unlike the right. Setting and you're not in the right like mine. So you're not surrounded by the right kind of like safe type of people, and if you're not in like head space and whatnot is definitely not like a all I'm for people I think it is. It's really just a way to like deepen awareness and access aspects of your unconscious that you may not be able to access the rise on just sort of see the world in different way right like I. Think you know as you described earlier, whatever sound Harris was saying like just being able to kind of step outside your south and maybe You know again, it allegedly, it is a place where you like detach from ego or ego is is killed or diffused or whatever So I think, yeah, I mean people report experiences of like. Re experiencing their birth or you know having all these flashbacks wrote, their lives are like these talent memories that come up or no working through trauma or something like that. But it's not really I think it's it's just different for everybody and it's there are so many factors that we don't even know at this point that contribute to the experience somebody has. So I'm yeah, I think it's it's. Deal. With your own risk and a risk and I am hoping that through the research that's happening through places like you know maps, which is I can't remember it stands for Association Psychedelic Studies at the Amas I forgot anyway. So three places like that and places are really doing research people Gabor Matei who's doing you know I Oscar retreat center who's like really advocating things like a and these therapy that we can have it like regulated, and so somebody is looking for a more like therapeutic psychedelic experience. They're doing it with him professional in like a controlled. Environment where they feel really safe and. You know mitigate any type of re traumatizing experiences they might have. It's so interesting to me that we didn't evolve as a species to deal with our own. To put it in a simple way I been reading so much about evolution. And stoicism actually, and it's so interesting to me and something actually that Sam Harris believe it with Sam. Harris he said you know we need to realize that evolution doesn't care about her well being. Like, our mental date. It's always just been about survival, and so we sort of just stumbled our way through all of this and got to where we are now and we're all. Anxiety ridden and not able to cope with things mentally, and so we're having to come up with things like psychedelics and jobs like being a therapist and. People are writing books to help people thread and. We just haven't had enough time. To get. In there with it. Totally not such a profound statement. Evolution. Doesn't really care but our mental wellbeing or whatever, and you know I think also the way that our society is is. Organized or structured like infrastructure even is not conducive to healing I mean I i. don't remember who said this I think it's made humble Hendrix but like were wounded and relationship, and we heal and relationship, and so particularly for interpersonal trauma where like relational trauma. You know there was a time where we all lived in groups and like commune's or tribes or whatnot now were listed and we're told that like a sign of success is to be independent and like on your own and or even in like you're in a way a relationship but you know to not necessarily focus on social and there's like A. Limit. Helmet social socializing person to do because you know grown adult and they should be working play and. I think we don't have enough clay or enough socialize socializing. Excuse me in our society today. That's a huge part of the reason why people are super depressed. Huge part of the reason that people don't feel through trauma because a big part of healing trauma really like what healing trauma is helping personally feel safe in a world again and safe and relationships again, and so that has to. Happen within safe flation chips and a lot of people don't have access to that. So that's why we have professionals like therapists or you know various different healers of sorts because organically like people aren't those marmots that are conducive to like love and communication connection and I contact in eighteen minutes and supporting each other and like you know touch and stuff like that. That's really important for he. I never really thought about it. That way I guess it gets what you see. You know like in the movies for heartbreak and stuff like that as very. There's usually like a best friend or to but there's a lot of like alone time with video a bucket of ice cream or wine, and whatever it is. They've sort of romanticised. Terrain up, which is that's not. While I shouldn't speak everyone that's not the real experience of being heartbroken and you're so right it's not. It shouldn't be such a lonely journey but yeah society kind of sets us up to half to just suck it up and deal with it on our own for the most part, which is crazy because most people experience in their lifetime. Exactly well, and the thing is we don't know how to deal with difficult emotions either in our foul, but also with other people I I. Think I told the story like a couple of days ago I don't think it was on podcasting was like for a group thing. So tell it again. But like I was just at a conference and I was going the elevator on these two women and they like clearly knew each other but an seen each other in a while and they're like, oh my gosh, she's so good to see you. Anthony Forever has one and the other one's like. Yeah you know I had to leave town. You know my dad got really sick and so I moved back to North Carolina and you know I like it was really rough and I looked after him. But like you know I got to spend six months with ham and we lost him in the spring or the fall whatever and like but it was really great. We like that time together and Now I'm back. Like the other woman, her response told this was. Oh you from North Carolina. And I was like in my head I was like this is what's wrong with Arctic deck denying society that doesn't know how to have difficult conversations because here, this woman like is sharing this. Painful experience his last year where she's. Finding the silver lining of like you know having like really precious time with her dying father but also she feels like, yeah, lost ten and like I moved home and like that was hard and the only response from this friend of hers is only cautiously from Carolina and then their conversation like you know pulls out of like the deep vulnerable place. There's an opportunity for connection and goes to the superficial shed about like. Yeah. Only Gosh Yeah I went to the school and other that and so. I think that we are we and and this is why I get. So Christoph about like conversations around already being happy and you know try to be happy at the APP Yappy. Like pain is part of the human condition and that's actually how we connect and. People isolated in their pain. Don't heal from that and so yes, of course when we're heartbroken, we probably do need a certain level of alone time but part of the reason for that is because so much shame around feeling depressed and grieving and crying and. Whatnot they behalf to isolate, and so I think if we were able to come to more of a place where. You know processing and grieving and going through difficult motions with something that people didn't run from but instead they run round to word and we're like, oh my gosh, you're having a rough time like. Let's like go for a walk. Let's just be together. We don't have to talk about but here, let me put my hand on your shoulder and just let you know here and I. Love You. Right like that's what we think we need to do more of and I don't think outside Directional removing were moving further away from that I think by putting everything on social media and You know not having a much eye contact not having communication that has all the like nonverbal associated with that I. mean there was a time where like we used to morning groups that was like a like a social thing. But now it people bring up that they lost somebody and. We avoid. We don't even know how to have those conversations revealed to be like you know, how are you doing like really and so I'm so yeah I sorry that Tangents AS Roma's point. But I. But yeah, I think that like I really wish that we emphasized the healing power of social connection more and worked that into our workplaces in school and you know our our. Our Day to day and made it like a real priority because that is what we need more of for healing trauma and heartbreak, and just like the trauma of being a human. the trauma of being human while I never really thought about it. That way because it's you're bound to have it as he says, part of the human condition pain. Totally totally there's a great book I'm in for quite years. The trauma of everyday life. It's Mark Epstein, and like I, it's very much about this like it's like we of course, we always think of traumas like some really severe serious incident like we all go through trauma I mean, we're humans are imperfect. Parents are imperfect parents took up. Most of our parents have walked up probably most people listen to listen to this if they're interested in this kind of thing. have experienced like forms of neglect or abuse or whatever, and like dots because our parents are imperfect and they have their own ship that they go through right like I certainly don't blame my mom for like the heartbreak she experienced that made it so that she could be fully present for me as a as a child or you know my dad's like trauma he went through the kid that made it. So he couldn't really connect us in the way that we needed and so it's not really like. should I can't remember of this quote but? Everyone is guilty but no one is to blame and like we are all guilty of you know the traumas that we inflict on other humans like we're totally guilty of it, and hopefully like with insight we become aware of where we've hurt people and we want to change a grow and you know do right by them and whatnot. But Is it really fair to blame somebody for that because like they were probably you know survivors of trauma themselves or they had like shitty parents themselves and their parents had judy parents and their parents parents Jimmy. Parents. So I, I think it's like we have to acknowledge that we all experience trauma whether it be through our parents or bullied at school or new an abusive relationship or a narcissistic boss or something like that, and it's shady and I wish it weren't that way. But instead of you know being in a place where we're like I can never get out of this we have to try to look. At our resources and get help and develop tools in the resilience to work through that, try to find the meaning and try to integrate it because we're not exempt from it. So if we try to just like centralize avoiding avoiding anything that triggers us, we live a very small life, and so the key is to really like developed not resilience self compassion add support network that allows us to be able to. Survive Thrill. On the support just so that piece of it is so important because it can be so tough to get perspective just on your own because you're was relying on your own. You know thought loops that's happening and you only have so much information about whatever the experience is. So it's so nice when you have someone who Where you have that moment where someone says something to you, that just totally pulls you out even if it's temporary and allows you to see. A light at the end of the tunnel. Totally yeah. I think it's so important to have people who tell us the truth you know that can be hard like. You know that's something that has funny when I went and did my in like, November I guess a few months ago. I was one of the things that I asked for like you're supposed to attention and Oscar something I was like I need feedback because oftentimes you know working for myself not being in a relationship work. Maybe I'm just a huge asshole from again pal. Riley like I'm like. What if I'm actually like a really bad person and usually people who have those thoughts are generally on people leg those are usually like common thoughts that. Come along with things like depression and Shane, and stuff like that. So when I'm in like a state of mind knowing pretty good person would also like I always want to be a better person. Am I don't I always want to be as compassionate as possible and you know compassion is very much about. Giving feedback and like helping them realize where certain behaviors are not serving Namur serving them to be social, and that's kind of my job as a therapist is to help like really like love people and giving them the care and the compassion that they deserve don't get but then also to give them feedback that can be hard to hear. So I, think yeah it's. It's it can be a tough one to be like, Hey, needed to be really honest me Mike. There any things you see about me? That might be getting in the way of me. Having, fulfilling relationships are strong connections because I just it seems like every friendship I have. Fill out after a couple of weeks. Sort seems like ever relationship. I have ends in the way or you know just anything examples speaking from experience but Yeah. It's a tough place to seek out feedback especially if we don't have a super strong support network as. and. Were if we don't feel great about ourselves, like we're going to obviously want to avoid any kind of criticism which you know kind of brings us to that conversation you and I talked a little bit about off Air Rolling Narcissism and he lots a huge reason assist like can't take criticism because they don't have any self worth and it's just sort of very agile. Fragile Act that they're putting on. Are they. Are they typically aware like that they have that they are I'm sure they wouldn't self-diagnosis like a narcissist but. Is that type of person usually aware that there is a problem and they're covering it up with that behavior or is it just that they genuinely believe what they believe about the world themselves? I think there are both. So there are definitely cases where people are like. Oh yeah like this is me. But also like I am better than everybody else as well. There's there's a little bit of both I mean I've definitely met people I've had I've actually had clients who come in and sad like I think I'm. Usually, the kind narcissist aren't, but then I have also known people who I would definitely labels nurses will say. Yeah. I'm pretty sure narcissist and so I guess like you know I, don't really have a clear answer on that one. But I, think there's just like bearing levels of awareness and then on top of that lake varying levels of whether or not they perceive it as something that they need to change because it can be really adopt in many areas right? Like oftentimes many narcissists are super successful and you know they're they have they don't have relationship problems in the relationship until they do you know like her able to like nippy late in control and charm and be charismatic and what non convinced people of how amazing are you know until that person gains the strength to leave which they don't always do. That's so interesting. They're so many. I mean you you. You've written a lot about like heartbreak and dating and that whole experience and there are so many. Variables when it comes to the reasons, relationship ends, and then that also will have an impact on the type of heart that you feel. 'cause you know if you've been through more than one break-up, you'll know that like you'll have different experiences based on what that relationship was like and what the person was like. So when you take someone like a narcissist and then the person who's the victim of that trying to heal as very different from an amicable separation between two people. Totally. Yeah, it's it's messy. There are a lot of like a conflicted emotions and. Any. I think you know one rule of thumb for people going through any of break-up. No matter you know whether their partner like a fucking serial killer or Like, you know a saint it's really important to permit yourself to like go through the process in feel all the feelings and think all the things like I notice so much with my clients. The most common thing is they they really judge themselves for sill wanting not person back even if that person like. Cheated on that you know even if that person is the narcissist or whatever or a feed him as a terrible person or they know they're better off, you know they judge tells because they really miss that or they judge themselves because. They would give them another chance or they showed themselves because it's been six months and they feel like they'd had a bit of a backside in their. Thinking about them again. So it's not a linear process breakups are just like. You know I think I I like to like mutual funds. You know they grow over time with depths along the way and so you're GONNA heal over time but there are going to be a lot of depth along the way that make you think gosh my ever going over this or why am I so weak or what's wrong with e and the key is just remember grief is not linear and grief. To make room for all sorts of emotions with that, and the shitty thing is it takes time like the great thing is it it just takes time. Yeah I I love that you're saying that because I do think sometimes. It's sort of like when women go through giving birth in the May. Forget enough you have so that they can have another baby. It's like a heartbreak as sort of the same thing where when you're the one going through it and other people are seeing it from the outside. If they haven't recently experienced that it's the empathy sometimes lacking especially when it comes to the time line of. Recovery. Like to get that whole, it's been two months like you know it's but what does that even mean right? It depends on what's happened in that two months to help you heal totally two months is nothing. New but like that definitely I think I took all of the full two years to get over my the heartbreaker twenty eleven. Look at it really took me basically falling for another guy and then him breaking my art. which was like I got over that one more quickly. But really like a, it got to a place Ri- I you know had to really in my body understand no, like I can love other people or you know there are other people out there and I I don't really miss this person that much anymore, I just missed the idea of like. The idea of them and being in love and like the story and everything like that. But young people I, you know a question often asked people is like having before like just you know on on dates or just people I've met and whatnot. and. Anytime. I. Know. that. You have to like then you have it and that's fine Adler. Great. You'd probably like Healthier Beginnings Relationship to the result because you have that like never take. That is really nice when you have an experienced heartbreak before whereas those of us who have like we have that sort of like bodily. Remembrance of like bill like depths of pain and the lake knowing that you can be so so deeply in love with somebody on that, it's not permanent at the same time I would never take away my experiences with heartbreak I mean I. think that's what made me who I am today but but yeah, it's It's something that we do. Definitely he'll from and it becomes far less intense over time but it's I. It's it's not something that you just most people don't get over it in a couple of months and if they do, it's usually because they have a different attachment style you know or they may be. In denial or numbing or suppressing, or they've jumped into another relationship or their spiritual bypassing meaning or just kind of like finding the positive and being really like happy and they're like, oh, notes grade I don't believe in like you know a bad break up i. just I think it's beautiful and I'm GonNa just remember this lovely romantic thing and it's like, okay well, that's that's great cognitively by your body's experience. Yeah. Why do you? This is a big question and I don't actually expect you to have the answer, but it's something I think a lot about why can't we look at the world? They're seven billion people on this planet. Why on Earth am I so attached to one like why can't we get that perspective? Following a break-up. I mean I think like for a split second, we can cognitively. As I said earlier like our body and mind or a body and brain have very different experiences and attachment is is a bodily experience like love is a is a semantic experience where we're like. We're feeling dopamine and OXYTOCIN. We're like really connecting to another human and were becoming addicted like the smell and you know the way that they walk in like there. There I don't know like the how the back of their head feels. You know when we run our hand through like it's just like we really become attached to this one human and that is very evolutionary adaptive right? That is for the survival. Essentially of our, you know ultimate children and. If he again look through. Perspective like I. Don't know if we're ever supposed to be seven million people in this world and it's really hard to comprehend not like we don't be can't think of that in our minds and so we can think of it. Yes theoretically. But that's not something we actually like can picture I mean I can't picture already. and. And you know there are only so many people that we can actually get to know and whatnot. So I think I think it's like a couple of things. I mean I think one yesterday conceptualizing part. That's really hard. But more than that I mean it's it's just that we've gotten to know this human has become a partner whom we've become like used with. physiologically in any ways and just the the separation from that person I mean, it's just like when we lose it. Like if we lose a friend or something, it's not like we were like, Oh, well, you know there are some people that are I mean I can just go make another friend of I. Like that those connections take time in nurturing and you know are oftentimes like lifelong many ways and so. I mean, I think it's just wheat. We do see that individual special or unique and and a really important part of our. Our health happiness alive and whatnot. So for like you know somebody had client you just lost a pet and a lucky learner symantec either which is huge like pet group is a really really profound table called disenfranchised grief where people are not. Often permitted or validated in her feelings because people like whatever it was just a cat where they say like just go get another cat like that's not how it works soon, technically replace this. So I think whether it's a partner or a pet or a friend I mean we can dislike replace these connections attachments. Hike that makes perfect sense and I. I. Hope any efficiently when listening right now that is in the early stages of heartbreak like that's where it's so hard. To see a way out of it or any. It's not just heartbreak any kind of grief or like loss at you're experiencing W- even if like a job or something like that yet. So hard to know into trust when someone tells you that it will get better. It. Just doesn't feel that way and I is that does that come from also from? The rejection side of things not just I mean if that is the reason for the break-up. Or is that more the attachment? Yes I'm not sure by fully understand. So you mean the come from the experience of rejection like them motion yet like the inability to. Because there's usually an in heartbreak if if it was. Not your choice, there's a level of Like, feeling unworthy or like you experience all those emotions in addition to the separation from that person. So. Is the inability I guess I'm thinking to see opportunities to date other people. Is it worse? If. You've experienced rejection in addition to separation. Yeah. I mean I think that it is worse and I don't know if that's because of the rejection piece or I don't know if that's because. A lot of times if you're the person who's instigating the break-up, you've already gone through your grieving process or a lot of your process because he known maybe in some cases for months or years for some people in. So you've already done a lot of processing and begun to kind of remove yourself from the relationship emotionally and. Entertain the idea other people and maybe developed a crush on someone else and whatnot whereas. When we're like the rejected person in the break up. Or the more rejected person. It's like got that's PM blindsiding and we haven't mentioned the the of somebody else and we. Were still very much emotionally and mentally invested in the relationship until the day than ended. So the thought of. Dating somebody else or having sex with somebody else is. Like it truly is. Just I mean I remember that feeling of just. Feeling like my stomach turned the thought of the naked somebody new. Like I can't imagine somebody else ever touching my body or like you know holding their hand or bringing them home by parents or anything like that raid, and so your I don't know if that's more because of the touchdown piece that's more because of feeling rejected but I think it's probably a little bit of both again, there's like a there's like an evolutionary slash like. Monogamy supporting aspect that that's really I. Mean. I guess you could say again at the end of the day to ensure something like paternity certainty and you know as I think women and we do have studies at this point to support the Yelich women tend to be more concerned around emotional intensity whereas men tend to be more concerned about lake. Physical infidelity and the reason for that is because. Women because we carry babies we have maternity certainty we know the TRAUMAS stomach or. Whatever whereas for men, they don't actually know that I mean they do now attorney tasks but they didn't you know back in K. person. Days. So. It made sense for them to be more concerned about you know physical into daladier sexual infidelity because that might compromise their paternity certainty. And you know it's it's more concerning for us to have emotional infidelity because you know once we popped that baby out of us, we're going to be really compromised with it lots to our breasts for our long a couple years and you know not like ten being compromised physically for a number of other reasons after giving childbirth after giving birth story and Incirlik. We need dot certainty that our partners to be there to protect us. They're not emotionally invested in another person and so. I think. I I don't know this I want to speculating. But on all that I do think for women it is more challenging for us to just jump into bed with somebody else or like. You make be sexually intimate because. There is some light kind of evolutionary support or supports the aspect of us being monogamous and not necessarily feeling inclined to go and be like sexually promiscuous whereas for men I mean, they're just trying to spread their seed I'm not by saying that I not endorsing or saying meal like well, I've treated his because they're just spending. The. Also have prefrontal CORTEX isn't are into not as those urges but yeah. So so I guess like that was a very, very long way of saying that I think yes. There's was like an attachment piece. Yes. The reduction piece and they're also may be kind of a biological piece there. That's fascinating. So. Amazing that you have all of this info in your brain for. Difficult. It's it's not always accessible. You know sometimes our emotion, our LIMBIC system are middle emotional brain like takes over and takes us out of the prefrontal Cortex, which is the front of our brains that has all the logical rational staff. But that is where an effect where things like meditation and Mindfulness which is a former medication can really help us in times like this because you know yes we can be in that like fighter flight mode, but we can also then be like, okay let me you know take a few deep breaths and what do I need right now and you know What mantra can repeat or what you know journaling I need to do or do I need to talk to or what healthy coping mechanism to any turn to to support myself through this really challenging time. Actually a question that I ask, a lot of gases what a coping mechanism is, and that's a very interesting question for you because you you are that for so many people. So what do you do? Ya I mean I have a law like I have I mean my like my. Really, helping healthy coping mechanisms that I do frequently You know our I go to Lauda Yoga a cry in Yoga shut down. I I. Go in a lot of walks on the west side highway Nari now because it's like minus one hundred but I a lot of walks along the Hudson River on I listen to acoustic covers. And I? Feel my feelings. And sometimes the most go hip hop. Capcom shout there. So sometimes a little bit of bad or just something that will. Bring me into my body and and help me feel. I find for me processing emotions like movement is really helpful I don't do well sitting and like you know I've never really been A. I've always found like sitting meditation quite challenging. So I like to work it into my yoga. So I do it for a few moments like with a I go to Jebediah, which is a pretty traditional form of Yoga and we get a lot of meditation in there as well. But then you also have the movie practice. So those are kind of my my healthier mechanisms. I talked to I've really really amazing friends. I'm super lucky to have whom I've known essentially my whole life, and so I do talk to girlfriends. I have a great therapist on his and an Cooper Elsie remotely and she is amazing I journal quite a bit and write quite a bit You know I have a friend to do a weekly check in. With and we just we kind of we talk like wirkstoffe but for me mostly it's personal like it's like you're the things I'm dealing with here's where my headset here's what I need from myself this week or today or whatever So those are like my main kind of healthy coping mechanisms I also like dual I'd play soccer and dance and I like do allow. Just, movement because that's again how I like process my trauma and my feelings, and you know kind of self medicate and away and get the endorphin high and whatnot But then like you know, I, have unhealthy cope mechanisms to I. don't even want to say they're healthy like I think there's room for all forms of coping. As long as we're doing, it is wide open. The first person to like endorse crushing like a pint of Halo top you know. Having Now here But I'm like that's I for sure like find that. That is something that if I need to like emotionally eats or have comfort food, I think it was definitely a place for that and I think that unfortunately we've released stigmatize out in the wireless industry and our God eat emotionally it's like, yeah, we all eat emotionally at like fucking Thanksgiving and birthday party you've unlike food is centered around emotions and so I think as long as you're doing is wide open and without shame like there's absolutely a place for that now I'll ask myself I'll be like, do I want Halo Topper Yoga and sometimes its yogurt hilltop than his both That's like a you know something that I definitely still go to if if it's like the is what I need or alcohol I mean I don't drink to forget by any means but like there will be times where I'm like, you know what I think I really need like a few of wine and a night out with a girlfriend. Or like an that I give myself permission to do that I don't worry about my relationship to alcohol You know although there is a lot of alcoholism in my family it's something that. I don't think I go out the genetic. Predisposition and actually like I got such hangovers that I think that's like prevents me from it ever being something I do more than You know I feel is right for me but like I definitely like those are the two main ones that come up that I always like to acknowledge because I think people think Oh will your therapist and you must go perfectly all the time and no I mean I I send texts I regret you know. Definitely like react especially with my family you know where they're still like a lot of triggers I have conversations that I reflect on afterwards I shouldn't have said that or I could have been a long more compassionate there What other kinds of white coat trying to think of other crying on the floor like crying on the floor they're selling go like lying on the floor crying when you need to have a good cry that me feels really grounding. Yeah I think those are kind of my main ones. But really like for the most part I do air more toward like. Ya the, what do I? Need I need the yoga need the Walker any talk of my girlfriends or I need to like hang out with a at most like really echo friends are still in Maine Cougar. So you know if it's a friend here and I really feel like I need like touch. Then it's like okay I need a friend that I can like snuggle with or like somebody who I can like go at get a hug from or massage actually another one that I do a lot of I got a lot of massage. Acupuncture and those are both like really amazing releases for me and and I endorse them for everybody if they can afford them, there's like really cheap ways you can get that like there are a lot of massage schools or acupuncture schools or here they're like. So many of those like inexpensive massage places where it's like thirty nine bucks for an hour and it's like the best thirty nine bucks you'll ever spend. So yeah anything that kind of into my body and music another he went to. Yeah. Music's huge every in every musician that I've had. On the show that's been a very interesting question because. That is I mean it's so cool for them that they get to provide that for other people but then I think but you get to experience it to as a musician like it's really interesting. But Yeah Music Civic One. Totally. Yeah. I don't know how I I've music and like walking have been mechanisms. I've had since and writing like an exercise I guess since I, as long as I can remember I remember being. Like twelve or thirteen I used to sneak out of my window in the basement of my mom's house and like bring my Walkman and likely. Listen to music or like a David my walk in as I wandered the streets of you know around my mom lived and and that was always like. You know I mean I look at that now and I'm that's interesting. That seems like kind of like thrill seeking dangerous behavior that may or may not have been me trying to like. Feel something when I was like really numb but you know I can obviously I look back on so much by behavior and I'm like was that healthy was that was coming out of the trauma and I try not to judge it too much. But you know the those coping mechanisms are ones ipod like my whole life yeah. I feel like those that sounds probably pretty common exercise exercising and music and that kind of thing, which is interesting because it just again we're all were also similar in so many ways without realizing it. Yeah, totally. Totally we are. I have one more question for you and it's totally there's no clear segue here and that's totally okay. But I have to ask it Do you think that everyone's made for something? To, I think everyone's made for something I mean I think we're just such constantly evolving beings that. I would be more inclined to say like we make ourselves for something you know and I think that that puts the agency back into US opposed to some form of higher power that may or may not exist Yeah. I. Think I think I guess I would say no because I think for one when I look at Lake where I am today and what I'd do. is obviously a huge part of what I do, but it's it's just one part and I write and I speak and I. You know have a podcast and I. Feel like I have this kind of greater mission to. Normalize the human condition and. DOTS. These jobs that I have even something like podcasting you know. We we we wonder even known that that didn't even exist like when we were born or when we were like quote unquote made you know so. I think like. What may happen in the next decade like we can't even imagine like we don't have the capacity to comprehend what possibilities. Could arise that would be avenues to like purpose and meaning people and so I think. Yeah I don't think that everyone made for something i. think it's more about. Really getting to know ourselves and. Then, becoming aware of like how our life experiences and our interests and our passion. All. Align. To. Create. Opportunities you know for us to. Know. The more comes to mind is shine, but that seems cheesy. But like really like maybe by the better word, really like align all of those things like past experiences, passion interest Talent creativity whatever, and then like find something, find find some expression. That allow us for all or most of those qualities to. Be Utilized, and that's a place where we can. You know ideally feel really fulfilled. But you know that all being sad I think that the privileged conversation as a really important one with that because I know people like like Simon cynic like that's major criticism with him as their find your wife, find your purpose and like. Being able to embody your purpose or what feels really meaningful to you is is a real fucking privilege like I. I would not be able to do what I do, which is, which brings me like more joy than I can possibly express If it weren't for you know all of the privileges that I I have that I mentioned earlier in terms of like what I been born with layers of privilege and. You know growing up in Canada where education was like really affordable. I was able to get the you know degrees that allowed for me to have these other behind my name that will help people to trust in me and hire me to be sort of consultant through life and. You know even the challenging experiences that I had you know growing up with. Like even as a child of divorce, not having to like move until like Shitty in a one bedroom apartment where I was like in a bad area and went to about school and you know got into drugs or something like that like I've had a lot of luck. And good. Fortune that has allowed me to be able to live my purpose and most people don't have that. So. Yeah I don't want to be. Like to I, don't want people to feel defeated or like Oh, because I don't have this opportunity now it doesn't mean I never will but more the the alternate like I really want people to know that if they're not if right now they're working job they hate. It's okay because like I mean it's not okay meaning they should do it forever or that they have to do it forever but we can't just like. quit and follow our dreams right now unless we have like trust front, right? Oh. Yeah. I. Guess I just like I. Really Encourage people to find their purpose for their happiness or or do something that it feels really purposeful, but it also doesn't have to happen tomorrow and it doesn't look like a lot of the stories that you hear read. Yet because those are the ones. Those are the ones that are told the success stories right? We don't really read a lot about quote unquote failure. So totally yeah so interesting I. Love that answer it's it's been really interesting asking that question 'cause there's some. Some people are very romantic about it and very. you know they have a lot of conviction around their belief that the S P like certain people are made for certain things An, and then we have really practical and like reasonable answers like you just gave and I think it's important for people to hear both Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. You walk me out and I think like I mean look I do think I was made to do what I do but I wasn't made like I wasn't born to do it I think my life experiences are what made it so that I'm really good at what I do. You know I was sort of formed formed to do it. That's it for today's episode. Thanks for tuning in. If you WANNA, make sure you never miss an episode hit that subscribe button. I also welcome your feedback. You can rate and review the podcast for me on. Instagram at.

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BONUS | A Cure For Hate?

Qualia

16:56 min | 2 years ago

BONUS | A Cure For Hate?

"Welcome to qualify. A thought experiment in sound. I'm bishops and. Everybody at some point fuels a flash of hatred. For me. It's when the president holds one of his rallies. And I see his supporters eating up his rhetoric. Hate has reentered the public conversation in America. And they are calling this a hate crime. There are. Of course is not just the United States. Other countries are seeing hates bike as well. And some people are in snared in a deep multi generational, contemptuous conflict, Blake Irish Protestants and Catholics. Israeli's and Palestinians. Well, other seemed to choose to be hateful like this, white nationalist. I only know that the white race is back that we are once again, a powerful people when we unify and take back all the our Asia. The Turks are disgusting. Islamism calling religion we should rip it away from them taken back. In this bonus episode. We will explore a few pervasive. And completely natural ways of processing the world that can lead to hate. Then we'll show you something that has been proven to decrease it. If you haven't listened to our merciful, called empathy, please do so. Ro every turbo ocean. I do not care about before we get into this. Take a second to think about what you would do to get someone like that white nationalist. To loosen his grip on his hate that just as important as Rome that job what you say, you're many that just as important Brown London. That is our land a meal Bruno studies this I'm director of the peace and conflict neuroscience lab at the university of Pennsylvania, and he's learned something very interesting chewed approach to changing people's hearts to another group is to directly appeal to the heart. To show them the story that we think will renowned or empathy towards the other group. Every time. I've tried this. It just does not work. I think part of the reason is that if you have these cognitive bias sees cognitive biases are completely natural their inborn ways of thinking and processing formation, we all do them. But they happen to be wrong. Cognitive bias sees that are sometimes lying below the surface the low of third bit. Prevent you from feeling the empathy. So if you don't resolve those biases, then the person doesn't let the in. Tikka minute to think of the last time. Something went wrong for you. For example. Relate? Or didn't do something that you were supposed to do. You obviously try to avoid the sort of thing. But it happens, and when this happened, what did you tell yourself? You'd likely went through a very common thought process. Namely, you come up with reasons that are usually based on circumstances things that are outside of your control. The car wouldn't start. It's raining today. The meeting ran over Dogwood stop barking. There was construction you were just having a bad day. It's not your fault. I think it's really the circumstances at fault. Because of course, you are not bad or irresponsible or whatever negative attribute. But what happens when somebody else makes that same mistake? But if they were with they didn't do something on time. It feels different. You might think they always do that. He's irresponsible. Put a jerk. He's lazy. She's just not that bright. This kind of bias happens all the time. It's called the fundamental attribution air. It means that we tend to think that when we do something bad, it's because of the circumstances. But when other people do bad things new attributed to their personality is because they are bad people. Importantly, this fundamental attribution, air blocks, your empathy. That's one bias the other type of bias is called the confirmation bias, something you do all the time. And it's perfectly normal. Just like the other you just seek out information that you know, will support your beliefs when you find that it for mation you accepted uncritically. And went faced with information that contradicts your ideas, you scrutinize it. Think of a Facebook post that you see in like instinctively. Well, an opposing post it's stirred up. He started doing research to disprove it and comment on it. Since you are human. You naturally have these biases. I do you. Do we all do? These are the types of unconscious automatic processing by sees been motivate us to act so just to unpack this a little this means that you're going about your life naturally thinking that others will make mistakes because of who they were their personality. Well, excusing your own mistakes as circumstantial. And you uncritically accepted information in line with your own beliefs while pouncing on opposing views. And you weren't really aware you were doing. And since we discount the fact of these since we think there were rational humans now, this is important. We think that we're logical and consistent. Yeah. We think bringing is irrational, hyphen, only, computer. We discount. The fact that these have on guiding behavior. Let me put this another way we feel that other people have a bunch of negative deeply personal attributes. And we let in a trove of information supporting this without scrutiny, and we are highly critical of evidence saying, otherwise, no matter which side, you're on. It's obvious. This builds up hatred for the other. Yeah. This hatred this deeply embedded historical and personal hatred of the other side feels permanent, but it is based alternately on our unconscious bias. If you can pull that into the light of day and allow them to see standing can choose to reject it. Then maybe you can open your heart to the other side. Professor knows this works because he's done it. He's designed an intervention to decrease hatred towards an out group. And for the first time in audio. You will be exposed to his intervention. Professor Bruno used this specific claim when he started to break apart hate towards an out group. Here's the claim Muslims in general are responsible for violence across the world for those of you who have even the slightest belief that this is true intervention is for you. In the intervention you'll hear three situations and you'll be asked to judge a few things on a scale from one to one hundred. Let's begin the intervention. Situation. One. Dylann roof killed nine black pressures Charleston, South Carolina during a prayer meeting. He walked into a church with an assault rifle opened fire and killed nine churchgoers. He wrote of his actions, quote, I did what I thought would make the biggest wave and quote roof said that Hitler would someday be inducted as a Saint and advised that unless white people take violent action, we have no future. How responsible are you for what Dylann roof did on a scale of one to one hundred one hundred being completely responsible? How responsible are you? Harry sponsor or white Americans for what Dylann roof did on a scale of one to one hundred. How responsible are white Americans. Situation to Andre detonated a truck bomb and gunned down a total of seventy seven people in Norway. He claimed he was acting in defense of European civilization against Islamic imperialism. How responsible are you for what breath did on the scale of one to one hundred one hundred being completely responsible? How responsible are you? How responsible or white Americans for what specific did on a scale of one to one hundred. How responsible are white Americans. Situation. Three. Muneeb is a Muslim man in southern France. He's thirty seven years old. He owns a bakery. He has a wife two kids in Love's traveling. How responsible is Muneeb? For the twenty fifteen Paris attacks by Muslim extremists an a scale of one to one hundred. One hundred being completely responsible. How responsible is Muneeb? How responsible are Muslims in general for the Paris attack? Twenty fifteen on a scale of one to one hundred. How responsible on Muslims? Now, let's go back to the initial claim Muslims in general are responsible for violence across the world. Do feel less committed to it. This is effects on people's collective blame of Muslim. So. In the control condition. It's one hundred point scale. They report about thirty five to forty on the scale for responsibility Muslims through the activity. They report about ten or twelve. Actually, downstream consequences. So they also are less willing to sign anti-muslim petitions and less willing to endorse anti-muslim policies. This this has been effective in the US benefactor. I've done it in Spain across different age groups and genders and it also lasts over time. So if I just have them do that, you know, thirty second activity at one time among Slater, I can assess their collective blame. But also again their behavior their willingness to sign these petitions even among later, they're still less willing to sign these petitions in control group didn't get the intervention. So what do you think of this intervention? Is it a cure for hate? It licenses you to be heavily met a cognitive. To look at site your own mind. It's just that. It's a part of the mind that we're not used to Lansing inside of. But it doesn't mean that it's inaccessible. It just means that we're not used to doing it. You don't realize you're labeling whole group of people as bad. And you don't realize how uncritical you are of your own beliefs. With. That's polio. Meal is currently professor at the university of Pennsylvania especial, thanks to him. You can hear more from a meal immersive episode, called empathy where you listen to feel what it's like to be a homeless, man. Join dinner party guest, the pushes, and polls empathy learning about your thought process. Now, you can give us a tip. Just like you'd leave a tip to a waiter who provides service, you can leave us a tip for good show. So easy to do wall. You're listening to the show on the radio public app. And we estimate a tip for good service. Twenty percent tip to be something about two dollars. Twenty Spock is our editor and co creator team also includes Dan voice, Josh for teaching.

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Hour 1: Kyrie's apology, James Freakin' Harden

The Stephen A. Smith Show

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Hour 1: Kyrie's apology, James Freakin' Harden

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Cari, Irvine and the Boston Celtics holds the Toronto Raptors echo while in it last night at TD Bank garden in Boston. Koala dropped thirty three points on nineteen shots. Didn't matter. Sturge Baca chipped in twenty two and ten didn't matter. Guys, like Norman Powell and Greg Monroe came off the bench made a contribution didn't matter. Danny green hit three of eight threes finished. Fifteenth boys didn't matter and it didn't matter because we saw something special unfold before our very eyes last night career oven had twenty seven points and eight teen assist. I'm going to forgive for those seven turnovers. It happens the ball handling skills. Their ability to get to the basket being a box office attraction that he is dancing on people. The waited few rarely can do he was an absolute show. Stop and make no mistake about an hour Horford Chipper, then twenty four points. That was impressive hint three of his four shots for threes. Jason Tatum contributed sixteen points. That was impressive Gordon Hayward giving you eighteen off the bench that was impressive. Jaylen brown. I still wanna see more. He's too good for get seven points. That's just me. But I'm just saying. When I look at the Boston, Celtics. Obviously there my pick to come out of the east this year. Although there pick was made with a bit of trepidation because I noted Toronto Raptors the no joke. I cannot forget about the Milwaukee Bucks. Because the Greek freak right now is number two and league and VP's the league MVP honours list. Number two, James harden, who's unquestionably number one, particularly after dropping fifty eight last night in a loss to those Brooklyn nets. I told y'all about yesterday but back to Boston. Kyri is something special kyri is one of those dues, ladies and gentlemen. You walk through the turnstiles to see you walk through the turnstiles to see him. If you love basketball, if you marvel at individual exploits are ball handling skill the way somebody can dance on somebody. If you love and one if you fantasize about roof because park or west fourth street or anything like that in Chicago in LA and New York, and every place in between, you know, what I'm talking about kyri Irvine is something special. There's simply no way around it. He's that gifted he's that skilled. The one thing that no one however would accuse him of being in possession of. Would be humility. Until last night. And by the way, that's not a knock I've always loved Kyrie Irving. But last night. He did last night. He did something a little bit different. Unsolicited not being asked nothing like that going on. Gary Ervin brought up LeBron James name ever, those of you who don't notice story. Kyrie Irving wanted out of Cleveland didn't want to be LeBron James teammate anymore. They didn't want to be a Cleveland. Not only did you not want to wait around for LeBron James to hold the cast franchise hostage by being indecisive about or noncommittal. Matt noncommittal rather about where he wanted to be whether or not he was gonna stay in Cleveland. It was also a situation where kyri Irving didn't want to be the little brother. The LeBron James the big brother. He was Koby not chat. And he wasn't trying to hear that he wanted to emulate Kobe in every way that means severing ties with LeBron James like Kobe ties which track. That's what career ever wanted to do. And he wanted out and the impression was given upon his departure. They didn't want to be that guy. Did he consult with a broad? No. Did he call abroad and give LeBron a heads up that he wanted out of Cleveland? No. When he came on my show. I take on ESPN upon his departure the Boston. He's the one that need to call the Brown. Four. Now that Surrey's needed permission. This is what Kyrie Irving did. And so it was kind of shocking to hear this from him in the aftermath of last night's victory. Over the Toronto Raptors listen to career. Just for being a young player wanted to everything at his fingertips. I wanted everything to be at threshold. I wanted to be the guy that let us change the euro wanted to be all night, and the responsibility of being a best player in the world leading the team is something that's not meant for many people. Brown was one of those guys that came in Cleveland and try to show us what it's like the winning championship. And it was hard for them. Sometimes getting the most out of the group is not the easiest thing in the world. And like, I said only fewer or mid Ford and chosen forward, and you know, I feel like the best person call because you know, he's been in the situation. Your career unsolicited? Brought LeBron James name said he called the brawn James and apologized because he didn't quite understand what LeBron James was doing. When LeBron James is trying to lead them the championships. He didn't quite understand. He didn't quite appreciate it. Now, just to give you some backdrop. Lebron James is the best player in the world went healthy. Lebron James is an individual. That is the biggest iconic brand arguably the entire world of sports that includes Rodolfo tiger and everything in between. That's how lodge LeBron James is in the eyes of some people. And because he's that lodge. There's a certain level of treatment that comes with that. There's LeBron treatment. And then there's everybody else around him which was offer somebody like, Kyrie Irving to take. But the reason why you saw Kyrie Irving speak up the way that he did last night is because career Evan finds himself in the leadership role with the Boston Celtics. He's a champion. He knows what it takes to capture a championship. Not only did he witness it firsthand. He helped accomplish it firsthand. See jump over Steph curry to seal the deal the broad. Jay's was somebody that caught that play. The bronze age was somebody that said, okay, give it to this brother in this particular situation, the close the deal, that's the right way to go. Steph Curry's hobbled can't defend the way he customarily. Can he's not one hundred percent. Kyrie's nasty. He could take advantage of Steph curry, even if he was healthy, let them do it. That's what you're talking about. There. As Cari, Irvine evidently reminisced about all of that. And in the throes of situations with the Boston Celtics this year that there we say are bit uncomfortable where the winning has not been as continuous as once expected. It would be. Where you having a multitude of team meetings and play only meetings without the coach Brad Stevens. Where mistakes are made on a it. You call it. Now guys like Jayson Tatum or even a coach Brad Stevens. We're Jalen Brown gets interviewed post game after lost Brooklyn. And he's talking about how the guys have to stick together. And there shouldn't be any pointing fingers, and we gotta be beyond that. Or what have you forcing Kyrie Irving to take a step back and reflect upon about how he might choose to handle things because everybody doesn't receive it the same. Then he goes on a court last night puts a dagger in Toronto Raptors with that twenty twenty eight foot three from beyond the free throw law beyond the arc over Kawhi Leonard. I might add. Kyri Irvine shows post game. And essentially says hair. I understand. Now, I understand now I've always been somebody that defendant kyri because I think he has a right to have that attitude. He had a right to sit up there and say, look, I want more than what I'm getting here in Cleveland. But there is no doubt. That shade was thrown in the direction of the broad Jay's because I know for me personally. And I've said this on national television you Dan, right? I'm looking at LeBron. Because if you're the star and people don't want to play with you. That's a problem. That's a problem. And I'm not gonna completely absolve anybody from that. When you are the superstar, you gotta ingratiate yourself for Gaza enough where they wanna be around you. They wanna be teammates with you. They want to go to war with you. They want to win with you. They don't mind losing with you all of those things matter. But you know, what Kyrie's words meant last night. Maybe a lot of us were too hard on LeBron James. That would include me. I probably myself, it'd be fairly this gentleman. I just in an apartment circumstances with maintaining a position because it's good TV aradio, whatever. I don't even damn about any of that. Right. Is right wrong is wrong. I'll tell you what I believe in feel based on the evidence. According to me, but I'll tell you this. When Cari said that last night, I found myself looking at LeBron a little bit differently. I found myself looking like looking at LeBron like he was somewhat of a victim. You got the world rusted on your shoulders you've answered the challenge, you know, what you're going for you went back to Cleveland to a race a curse that spanned a half century. And after fifty two year drought of a championship in any sport. In the city of Cleveland. You would have one that ended that down the Browns? Could it win the Cavs couldn't win the Indians couldn't win? Hell all we know your minor league team couldn't win. But still in all you go back and you were race. The curse that had plagued that area and brought a championship to it. That's what you did. Lebron James and in order to do that you needed help from guys you had to bring Gaza long. Could you have done things a little bit differently? I'm sure nobody's perfect. But when Cari said what he said yesterday it highlighted for me as a reminder of how difficult it is to lead how difficult it is to galvanize troops how difficult it is to get everybody to be on the same page and to do the things that need to be done. So we can all flourish. That's what Cari Irvine is saying LeBron James did for him. Now might be self serving. Because as my Mad Max Kellerman pointed out this morning. I take ten AM to noon eastern time seven to nine AM Pacific. He said, hey, it's definitely self-serving to some degree because Karis probably saying to his teammates. Look what I'm acknowledging about. Lebron one day. You'll find yourself acknowledging about me if you're smart enough to listen to what I'm trying to tell you because I'm trying to win a chip. And as we're on this subject. Let's go a step further. And ask ourselves why the urgency, of course, it's the middle of the season. Of course, every season counts. Of course tomorrow is not promised all of those things are true. But here's the reason why. If your career oven. Not only are you trying to win a championship because you wanna championship you might be trying to win a championship now because you might be leaving. Because you remember what Kyrie Irving said to those fans in Boston prior to the season. I would love to stay here. And I'm looking forward to having a low proper prosperous Korean paraphrase, it a role prosperous career here if you will have me, well, let me, ladies and gentlemen, you know, what that means. You're gonna give you the max, I'm here if you not maybe not. That's got to every Roggio. We saw what he did in the playoffs last year. They got Marcus smart. They got Jason Tatum. They got out Horford. Now. Gordon Hayward back healthy. You the Boston Celtics. As much of a showman is Cari, Irvine is spectacular as he is the reality of the situation is do you give him that money? Or do you? Let them walk away and position yourself to get Anthony Davis or better yet. Do you wait until the summer when somehow you could package, you just never know? The Boston Celtics anything's grass this daddy age. We're talking about here. I mean, this is the guy that just pulled off the heist against Brock allege low when he sat up there and convince Colangelo that he would one more kill folks when he knew there was no way in hell. He would want. Markelle Colangelo wanted Marquel, folks. So what did he do? Sixers got the number three overall pick your GM your president of basketball operations. Bryan Colangelo decides to trade to spots up switch picks flop picks for three to one given Boston third overall pick. So he could get Mark helpful. But then he age also got a first round pick from Bronco Lonzo out of that. And more careful at this moment in time may end up going down as the biggest number one overall bust in history. I mean, I'm talking about a disaster of epic proportions epic. I mean worse. They call me Braun. Or Michael Ola were candy. Anthony bennett. Talking some of the most disastrous number one overall picks in NBA history. Marquel? Foltz might end up a clips ING them all not a brother. Not a brother can play the brother can play more careful. Those grope. I don't know. What the hell happened to his jump shot? I mean, there's like a hitch. It's worse than Charles Barkley golfing. The hitches that they're bad. But having settled that. What makes it considerably worse? Is the fact that the brothers got psychological issues. Whatever's going on inside of his head has so drastically affected his game. He's impotent offense. He has nothing to offer. It is an unmitigated disaster. That is more careful situation. And it said because him being ready to ball is exactly what the Sixers would need to truly truly challenge in the Eastern Conference. Joel Embiid is a superstar in the making. Ben Simmons is a jump shot away from being abroad, James part to J. J Riddick can ball. Can flat out ball? But away I want to be on the record saying this out. They JJ riddick's underpaid. I think JJ Rettig is underpaid. I'm gonna tell you that right now. Alligators riddick. I watch him shoot the basketball Asti how much the Sixers desperately need that shooting. And the fact that he's the one reliable person that can give it to them. And I'll say to myself, Dan, he was getting paid twenty three million last year. He says the deal for twelve point two two five zero million for this season. Then obviously comes off the books. I read it's worth more than that. And today's NBA economy JJ Riddick and his ability to shoot the basketball, particularly coming off screens and picks. What have you? I think JJ Rettig is worth a minimum of seventeen eighteen million per year. Minimum. He's that good of a shoot. He's that. Good. And he's the consummate professional you can rely on them. That those are the things that you've got to look at. I mean, we know what TJ McConnell could do. I'm proud of that little brother the energizer bunny, by the way, he's at one point six million grossly underpaid. Who small do MBA little energizer bunny beats you would effort, etc, etc. Smart knows how to play the game trusted by coach Brett Brown shows up in the postseason TJ Bikaner should be paid more than that too. So Sixers got two guys that are underpaid. But more of he was giving you anything the Sixers will be more formidable. That's not the case. So it's about Boston. That's about Milwaukee about Toronto. Which makes Cari Irvine statement that much more profound. And as a result. I think Boston's going to be better for it. I think I read is going to be better for that kyri plays games. Like this. If kyri gonna give you twelve thirteen fourteen assists, eighteen some games like he did last night. Look out y'all. Boston's coming Boston's coming it at eight say ESPN up not three seven seven six one of the other things. I want to get into James harden, y'all excited about a second game. He's had over fifty. Was it like twentieth consecutive game? He's had over thirty's averaging over forty over the last eighteen to twenty games James harden is the most unstoppable offensive play in basketball. He's the most unstoppable ofensive player in basketball. But I'm here to tell you. It's not a good thing. Because if James harden keeps going at this pace, he's gonna have nothing left composing, Tom, boy, I hope Chris Paul is ready because I said it before and I'm gonna say it again, and you are listening, ladies and gentlemen of somebody who loves himself. Some Chris Paul Chris Paul is one of the great great point gods of this generation. It's far as I'm concerned. He is a future hall of Famer just an outstanding point guard. What what you want and what you need from a God what he does on. Both ends of the court is just phenomenal just phenomenal. When healthy. Here's the problem. He usually gets hurt at the wrong and most inopportune of times. And I do say, this would all due respect. Chris Paul was wrong to take every cent of the max that he took four years. One hundred sixty million from Daryl Mauri in the Houston Rockets. This is the first year that Chris Paul is already missed seventeen eighteen games. We don't know when he's going to come back. How healthy is going to be. And I'm here to tell you the right now if Chris Paul takes about two million less. Per year. Guess what? Trevor Aretha stays in Houston. Trevor REEs, a went to Phoenix. Who's now Washington by the way with the wizards Trevor REEs it went to Phoenix on a one year deal for fifteen million dollars. I got news for you. If Trevor reason. If the Houston Rockets had offered Trevor twelve he would've stayed and they could have offered them that if Chris Paul taken less. He did it. He wanted his money. And I guess you can understand that because money's money. A and b when you pass up about two hundred five million the two hundred and seven million from Steve Ballmer and the Los Angeles Clippers when you're pass up that amount of money to walk away and go to play with James harden, you walk away from Doc Rivers. I got news for you. That's a problem. So Chris Paul's got come back. He wanted to tell you how Houston must be feeling Houston. Let's call it. What it is. They don't give a damn what Chris politics right now. I'm gonna tell you why did you consult with them when you decided to let go of mellow, no. Oh, by the way. Did you consult with them when you brought Austin rivers on the team Austin rivers. I like Austin rivers. Chris Paul did it according to reports. He like goes the rivers. Let me take that back calling reports I'm telling you he didn't like Austin rivers. Plotter, probably be. Yeah. With Doc Rivers in Austin rivers with the clippers when I was that altercation in the locker room and stuff like that. That was about the rivers and Chris Paul trying to go at it. And Houston Rockets brought Austin rivers day when Chris Paul went down. Anyway. Well, that's that's to be as Chris Paul got to get healthy. Chris Paul Gaza has to get back on the court. And he's gotta help James harder. Which I have no doubt. He will do Chris Paul healthy. Houston Rockets is going to be there. I think the only team standing in their way, it would be Golden State. The problem is I don't think he'll stay healthy. And I hope I'm wrong 'cause I don't against him. I got love for Chris Paul, but not as much love him as I got his family wonderful, wonderful family, his brother siege as good people as dad and his mom loved the Paul family. Phenomenal love them. Just saw his dad at the Cowboys Ramsgate game. A big hug love Mr. poll. He's the real deal. Because Paul if he's healthy he healthy healthy enough that you can do about that. But if he's healthy, he's got the show out because if he doesn't you can't ask James harden, the handle all of this by himself and expect to championship from that. That's not right. He's only human. I don't know how much more James hotter. Could do. I really don't it. A say ESPN inundate seven to nine three seven seven six. You're listening to Steven ESPN radio. ESPN news back with your calls and more to discuss the minute technology truth brought to you by Geico. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. What's Janet's fangs? Did she lose that? With a weed whacker? Oh, sent wait. No, no, no, no truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something. Gogo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more. You'll seem to the Stephen a Smith show podcast. Is a fight this taking place this Saturday night. Obviously, we got a tremendous you of C carve ESPN at the Barclay center. TJ? Dillashaw going up against Henry pseudo for the. Vishwa championship one hundred and twenty five pounds. So it's gonna be real interesting to see what happens with that. And then there's a boxing match that's taken place on HBO pay per view Saturday as well. Manny Pacquiao going up against Adrian Brodie. Well to wake around Adrian Bruno obviously in the news for a lot of the wrong reasons in recent years trying to resurrect his career, and he's going up against the Pac man himself. Obviously pacmans Senator in the Philippines. Also, wanted a great great fighters we've ever seen on a mission to take grown out. Try to unify the world away belts all of that kind of stuff. So it's gonna be real interesting to see what happens in that regard. It they say ESPN, it's inundate seven to nine three seven seven six. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Cannella you lobbyist. Even talk to me. Hey, I'm all right. Go ahead. Thank you. And I got a question about the Celtics. I'm the fan, and I'm kind of confused, man. 'cause we got a good roster. But it's not showing. So from your point of view, if you were the the man that your team what changes would you may as far as Ross or the lineup. I don't think anything any changes need to be in a roster. I think from Alana perspective, you leave Marcus modern there, you make sure you keep going Gordon. Hayward coming off the bench and other than that. I think you gotta you gotta elevate the play of Jalen Brown. That's what you gotta do. Right now. He's struggling he's been struggling this year. Jason Tatum and struggled periodically as well. I just think both of those guys really really have to step up and play like they played in the playoffs in order for the Celtics to be who we expected them to be coming into the season. That's where I'm out with that. What about I wanna be on the team? What are you talking about Anthony Davis? Yeah. Well, let me tell you the Anthony Davis is one of the top three play on a planet earth. If I'm giving Amna pelicans. And I'm giving up Anthony Davis. I want Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. I wanna both. And by the way at every Rosa in the mix as well. Oh my God. No. There you go. I mean, if you're talking about if you're talking about Anthony Davis. You have to understand what how big time he is. And I don't know if you can take all of that risk. Let's he's going to commit to resigning with you. Because if he doesn't commit to resign it with you the chances are you're going to do all of that just to chase the title now. And then after next season he's free to go wherever he wants, that's problematic. Wanna give up hor for in haywar and keep pace as your question can ask you question. Yes. Would you take Horford and Haywood fans days? Man. I don't know have a nice day. You know to answer. You don't get to LA Stephen Smith show. You knew you Dan, wasn't on the answer. The answer would be and then fatty no that is not enough. Anthony Davis period. Let's go today. You live Stephen aid. How you doing? I'm good. What's up? So I wanna know what's thing about James harden as far as scorn, you think he's gonna fishing score. Do I? Graham tuatara. Did you just ask the question? Do I think James harden is in a fish is an efficient score. Is that what you just asked me? Yes, sir. Tell me why shouldn't hang up on you. Stephen Washington listening for his being last night. Right. He shot five from nineteen from three. He's twenty one or twenty three from three still alive, which is great. But I feel like he's forced in the school and rather days. How do you see always playing with? There's three is not there. Click Capellas not there. What is supposed to do? I get that. I get that. I just want to know. Do you think he was talking about a fisherman? The greatest score in the game. He could go to the free throw money. Tommy, what he's got one of the nastiest handles can't stop from get to the basket. He's shooting threes to the whole will he gives it a free throw line will he's averaging forty. Over eighteen nineteen games. Baller? I hate man. I just I hate him. How could you ask this question? What do you know about basketball asked that question? I understand you ask about James hana's overall game. You asked about his ability to score. Do you see a better offensive player in the NBA right now? I'm talking about in terms of putting the ball in the hole. How many people can you name it a better than James hotted who? Have a nice day. Man. You annoyed me your knowing me. This idiot question. Is unbelievable. Do you have any idea? How great this brother is? I mean James harden is so great as an offensive player. He doesn't even get laughed at for coming into the game. With a pig. Pseudo. That's how great he is. He can walk up to he can walk in one day with a pig suit. Another day with a lime green suit on look like looking like the joker. Another day. You got some bizarre stuff that blondes. The is it doesn't matter. He's James frequent Harding. The reigning league. MVP y'all. Who has had to go out there and deal with life following Chris Paul? And since that Tom allow me to throw some numbers at you since December eighth. He's dropped thirty five twenty nine fifty thirty to forty seven thirty five thirty five thirty nine forty one forty five forty one forty three forty four thirty eight thirty to forty two forty three thirty eight fifty seven and fifty eighth to you understand what you're witnessing. I mean, just a desperate. As fact the lack of appreciation. Put this brother. Blasphemous? It's just plastic. Thank call. James harden? The greatest all around play because I know he struggles defensively from time to time prominent primarily due to effort because you've got to do every damn thing offense only, but what you are witnessing from this man is unlike anything we've seen. We save yourself eve asking the damn question. An eight say ESPN, it's inundate seven to nine three seven seven six by the way, if you missed the opening segment to they don't worry about it. You can listen to the podcast on your schedule on demand brought to you by the new Capital One saver card or four percent cashback on dining entertainment, two percent at grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases. Hey, what's in your wallet? It eight say ESPN, it's edited seven to nine three seven seven six you. Listen live, Stephen ESPN radio ESPN news with you. For the next hour change reminding you that started our number two Adrian Bruneau challenging many pack. Yeah. For the welterweight crown. He will be online with yours. 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And I was saying LeBron James I've never in my life seen a player as exciting this Steph curry me, well, I will say this to you as a couple of things you can't ignore the crowd certainly helps. Okay. Because boy do they get an Josh from him. The other thing is this Steph curry, obviously, he is Jordan and those guys, but he is the greatest shooter we have ever seen in the history of basketball. Yeah. He's the greatest shooter we've ever seen and with this guy can launch from. I was looking at a statistic yesterday. And I read it on the air deep threes. Threes that thirty to thirty five feet away from the basket the average in BA player on average. I mean, they don't hit more than twenty two percent as a league. Do you know what? Steph curry has shot for. You know recently from thirty to thirty five feet this season. You know what he's eating? Fifty four percent. Do you know what he's done with that deep three thirty to thirty five feet. More tests over the last four years. Forty eight percent. You can't make this up and you can't make this up. You got a can't make lamps at forty percent clip this juice sue from thirty thirty five feet at a forty eight percent clip. He's the greatest shooter I have ever seen in my life. Like the last night. He man he had like two guys draped on them. And he was hitting our Mets players like it was something like on. Worldly, Stephen went when he when he is on. He's just let's go he can literally run down court without even looking. He just told up front alcohol. I mean, it's just that lethal, man. He's that great. He is the greatest shooter I have ever seen. He's number three on the list right now because he just passed Jason Terry with threes. It took Jason Terry fourteen hundred plus games to do it. It took it took Steph curry six sixty sunlight that and then you've got only Reggie Miller. And Ray Allen are ahead of him on the list. He's catching them. And by the way, make no mistake about it. They as great as they were. They will never this of shooter. Not this to of course, not not just got one. I got one question. Go. Where do you think? He'll he'll catch Reggie Miller. And Ray Allen in the next two to three years. So no, it depends on a look at the numbers, and they're not gonna give you a definitive answer. In terms of what he does yearly to how much how much further he's back. I'll get those numbers for you. And our number two, and I'll answer that question. But there's no doubt that Steph curry will retire that number one three point shooter in NBA history, you can book that and for those of you out that you do understand radio Steph curry right now. And it says in the league would at least six to seven more years to go. You do understand the Steph curry is going to the hall of fame. It's already decided it's ready to sign it. He will go down as the greatest shooter. The game of basketball has ever seen in our lives. And a surefire first ballot hall of Famer without question without question. Nothing to discuss is not to discuss we just want. I'm not worried about Golden State. The boogie cousins coming back and all of don't make no damn difference. They go with anyway. Beating them with so Kirk playing like this can't happen. He's that great, Greg shoot. I've ever seen in my life. Adrian Bruneau challenge in many for the WBA crowns that night. He's up next hour number two, Stephen A. Now, that's just a sample of what you'll hear on the Stephen ace with show weekdays at one PM eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN.

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It's being brought to you by chase. Also, get triple action protection for optimal engine performance, which show veep, our nitro plus premium gasoline any minute now, we'll have on the challenger. For the WB welterweight crown this Saturday night at the MGM grand laws Vegas agent. Bruna will be set to go up against Manny Pacquiao. We're waiting for him to come on the line right now. He's training. He's training. So, you know, I I'm very very particular will boxes from the standpoint. I don't like Messa with any routines. I don't like mess with anybody else in the sport of boxing along with 'em UFC style. People got a licensed, assault you. Okay. So guess what? You gotta let them be who they are. You gotta let them do what they do. And you gotta take him any way you could get them. Anyway. So if you hear Adrian Brune, I heard he was on the treadmill running. So if he's on a treadmill run in interviewing him on a treadmill? I don't give a damn as long as you could hear him. Clearly, don't matter to me, whatever it takes you understand. I hope he don't eat on custody out. Like it did outburts Stein. Okay. Okay. The nice abbey. Of course, you might go off on it doesn't get much nicer than Al Bernstein. Okay. Consummate professional covering the sport a of for many many years, by the way. But any of these listen when you're about to fight you got to be in that kind of mode got to be an economy. Do you can't be about the business of friendships? Got you gotta do. Try totally understand that make no mistake about it. By the way, he is being radio is presented by progressive insurance, making it easy to bundle your home and your car insurance, plus with the vivid seats app, it's easy to find awesome seats to any game. Download the app and enter promo code champs at checkout to get ten percent off your first order it at eight say ESPN, it's edited seven to nine three seven this. Whenever Adrienne Brown is available to come on the show. I will be happy to put him on. He's. Thirty three and four that is his wreck thirty three and three. I'm sorry would one draw. He has never been knocked out. He did get put down by Markos Madonna, but he got up. He lost that fight. That was. That was back in December of two thousand and thirteen. Lost the show import in two thousand fifteen June of two thousand fifteen loss to Mikey Garcia in July of two thousand seventeen. Majority draw against Jesse Vargas last, April so Adrian Brodie. I mean in terms of potentially being a marquee. This fight is incredibly important to him. He loses this fight. He'll probably fall off the map. He wins this fight. It'd be a big difference of all how one of the belts. And Secondly, and more importantly, it will put him in line the face some of the elite dudes in the division. I don't know. Whether it's a rematch with children porter. Whether it's a match against God, Danny Garcia, whether to shot against Keith Thurman, whether his him going against aero spins junior, who's my favorite in the welterweight division. There could be potentially a lot options for Adrian, bro. Because if he wins this fight he's a champion. So let's keep that in mind champion belt that Manny Pacquiao took from Jeff horn. Now from Jeff Warner. I apologize. But. You just want. I'm sorry. I was somebody was in my LA this gentleman. I got a bit distracted my apologies. Adrian Brunel wants to come on at approximately thirty minutes past the hour. That's fine. Hopefully, he'll be ready to go adapt particular day, and Tom, by the way, I didn't say Jeff home because a pack ya got robbed at the decision. Jeff horn lost at but ended up winning that TKO against Lucas Matisse's DC t say so pack yet won that fight. It's got WBA belt and as a result now. He's going to defend it against Adrian Pronin who will be all with us thirty minutes past the hour until then we'll get back to the phones at eighty eight say ESPN is edited seven to nine three seven seven six. But before I do that. Scotty pippin. I don't know. I think he was on a jump is that right cat was he on a jump? Yes. He was on the jump with Rachel Nichols. Who bought away did a great job interview and boogie cousins is well, she always this great job. Scotty Pippen was speaking about Zion. Williamson of Duke. And he said something that got my attention. And I just can't avoid talking about it. I have to address it. I'm not doing my job if I chose to if I chose to ignore this. So let me just get right into it. Please play what Scottie Pippen said about Zion. Williamson please definitely going to be the number one pick. I mean, I think he's done enough for basketball college basketball that is more about him Portland personally now. And I think for him was a young player that I would shut it down. Let me let me let me actually I would stop playing because I feel that he could risk a major injury that could really hurt his career football players are doing it. Why not the college football players are skipping a bowl games. And they're getting ready for to come by. If I was him. I know him. Lease NBA. I'm out of his time set it down. That was Tracy McGrady in a background talking to Rachel Nichols as well. I know that voice. Great Scottie Pippen, and Tracy McGrady should be ashamed of themselves ashamed that himselves not say that affectionately because I got love for both brothers Scottie. Pippen's the six time world champion. Okay. Michael Jordan doesn't win six chips without Scottie Pippin, the great Scottie Pippen. I usually am deferential and Tracy McGrady. That's my brother love him dearly. Okay. But they know me I could get on them affectionately and still have love for them. How can you say that especially you? Scotty pippin. Y'all can't say that tries to good. You can't say that. I have no problem with them saying I on we've said out of Duke who is elite big Tom and a whole nut. I have no problem with them saying that if you're talking about a season before it starts you can't encourage a kid to ignore his team and quit in the middle of a damn season where you are in pursuit of a national championship. Because you wanna get the pro money if way of saying had decided as a high schooler that he was coming to the NBA. He would have been a first round pick. He might not have gone number one overall. But he definitely would have been a half first round pick in this in day and last year's NBA draft. You can't encourage a kid. You can't talk about a team. You can't talk about chemistry. You can't talk about the importance of being one unit like minded with the agenda of capture and championships. And then turn around and encourage a kid in the middle of the season to quit. You can't do that. You can't do that. Ziya? Where's that now? Play jet. And they were saying sit out that's different was Scotty Pippin said he shut it down. Like now. Citizen hurt. Williamson has been on the court bullet. The only injury was a it dot. That's it. You're telling me that a kid. That's healthy is ready to play ball whenever dukes next game is because I don't have this on the front of me. Dude is absent better than twenty do to minutes dropping thirty five in a loss to Syracuse. Tell the night. Playing for Duke, which was ranked number one in the nation at the time, which is clearly a pursuit of a national championship. You're trying to tell me that a champion six time champion who understands what team is all about a hall of Famer like Tracy McGrady with literally sit up there and encourage the due to just walk away from their team and quit in the middle of the season. In the middle of the season. I don't understand this. I mean, great great job on a jump. You said something that's got folks. Attention. We always appreciate Rachel Nichols. Bringing folks on that'll do that. But thank the heavenly father that I wasn't in studio with Tracy McGrady and Scottie Pippen when they said that. They might they might have decided to take the jump off the air with the stuff. I might have set to those brothers not brothers love them both. But you can't do that. You can't do that. Then the middle of the season. Completely healthy nothing wrong with than physically bulling ready to go. And you would encourage him to just walk away and quit on his team. To enjoy doesn't get injured. Will have nothing wrong with him. But champion six times over one of the fifty greatest players to ever play the game. One of the greatest defensive players we've ever seen in the history of basketball being co signed hall of Famer and one of the prolific players went healthy. We had ever seen in a game it Tracy McGrady with cosigner dude quitting on his team. And a middle of the season. You can't do that. You can't do that. I can't believe Scottie Pippen, and Tracy McGrady said Scottie Pippen said it and Tracy McGrady coz on it. I can't believe I can't believe I can't believe it. Walter Hewlett, Stephen, what's up. Stephen a. Hey, I'm disappointed in you, man. You said you they give the nets enough credit? And today show. He didn't even mention the nets winning against Houston. I did mention them off. I taken. I brought him up at the top of my show. That's a lie. Let me finish. No. No. No. No. No, no. You don't get to finish lies. That's not true. I mentioned I'm on I take and I mentioned them on radio near the top of the show today. That's false. We didn't talk about them. Woody hitting the three pointers to bring that back out a regulation. That's not the point. I mentioned the Brooklyn nets and how much better I thought they were than I thought they would be at the beginning of the season. I mentioned heart and drop a fifty eight but Brooklyn beat them and Brooklyn's a damn good team. That's gonna make some noise watch out for them. That's what I say. Individually didn't say. So in other words, you want to edit my show and tell me what I'm supposed to do individually did not mention Dinwiddie yesterday that I mentioned him last week. Like Steph curry did. So do it continuously. It's not about the three shots like Steph curry does that terraced Steph curry is made a career of doing this. Let's see what kind of careers Spencer Dinwiddie has. I understand that that I'm talking about specifically that they make another point. Don't tell me what to do on my radio show. I'll say what the hell I want to say how I want to say it, and I will include in a minute what I want. But I did mention them. What are the point? I'm just saying I just hope you give more credit to the individuals on the net. Goodbye. And they have a nice day. Bye. You gonna call you more visual. I sat up here. What show in America? Do you see talking about the Brooklyn? Nets aspirin a half hour on them yesterday. Shut the hell up. You just wanted to call up and wine. So you could go back and say the folk cuckoo real you. So. So to warn Shull up go to the next call Eddie you lava Stephen what's up. Hey, thanks for taking the call. Yup. The call and see what you think about possibly Kyrie Irving going to play with LeBron away. I think it's highly unlikely but still possible. All right. And then for us. Do you think there's any possibility that a Jalen hurts possibly wins the Heisman over to this year? No. I don't think the Jalen hurts is a good thrower. I'm very proud of what I saw him do against Georgia. I know he was working hard during the season on his mechanics and improving upon that I think he has tremendous potential. He's a tremendous athlete. I think Oklahoma is going to win some games with him behind center. No question about it. But I don't think he's a throw of the football that too is. And so I don't see that happening now. Thank you. Let's go to Darius. Allow Stephen talked to me Darris. Hey, Steven Lal communist refers time caller. I'm just going with Tracy McGrady and Saudi it. I agree with it. Because look at the other sports like, tennis and hockey. Both folks are going pro at sixty and seventeen. I'm right there say star star star stop see, you misconstrue my point. You don't listen what I say. It was no problem with this gestion at the beginning of a season before anybody's played. I'm saying if you're in the middle of a season you've been a part of the lineup. You're not injured and you just say all right? I'm quitting on the team while in pursuit of a national championship. You can't do that. For you got injured. You got injured then you don't wanna come back and risk further injury. That makes sense or you don't want to risk injury at all. So you refuse to play at all this season. That's different. But once the coaches asserted you into the lineup, and he's gained planned with you in mind, and he's determined as rotation and all other things that come with it. You can't just quit on the team in the middle of a season. When you're one hundred percent healthy. You can't do that. Or throw it Kelly. Bryant did that with women. No, he did not know he did not Davos winning the decision to go with Trevor Lawrence and recognize that he had to make the decision at the time. He had to make the decision because you were talking about eligibility issues with Kelly, Brian. And so as a result not wanting to compromise the kid in any way, you made a decision when you had to make a decision to do what was best for your program and to preserve the eligibility for Kelly. Brian that wasn't Kelly. Bryant quitting on the team Kelly. Bryant been demoted he wasn't playing. So williams. The thought in a key component at a Duke blue devils the pursuit of a national championship. You can't compare to two. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Let's go to Joe you lava Stephen. Yes. I'm here. You live on air. Go ahead. How you doing my big big plan on the show? Mike, you go ahead. I really wanted to call you about a Bronco that design on William you ain't talking about Joey both about who Joey Bosa your what about both because the whole euro say what Nick Volks you talking about. Nick, bolsa, Nick wells. But what I'm saying that you did you just say the whole year. Well, now, he could would you usually play like, no, no, no, no, no. You don't understand what I'm saying? I'm saying that you you're talking about the player I'm talking about champion and hall of famous suggesting that the player should just quit. That's what I'm talking about. So yeah. Yeah. What's my name brother who you ought to play with? I know what I am. No what I say. I know in our stay about what I say. I'm not talking about thion Williamson, I'm talking about champions like Scotty Pippin hall of famers, like Tracy McGrady. So just in the showed. There's there's wisdom wants to quit on his team to make sure he preserves his health. So he can get his money. All right to each his own. You got your own family issues, only, you know, what they are respect that. But a champion and a hall of Famer can't suggest is what you should do in the middle of the season. What about what about him? He could be your. Oh my God. Are you having a difficult time comprehend in English? I specifically just said I'm not talking about the player. I'm talking about someone suggesting the players should. Can you say about I'm talking about a Scotty Pippen said he showed Tracy McGrady city show that's different than Cari o Zion. Somebody actually doing it that's their life. But you as a commentator pundit who played the sport who want championships who understand what's required who understands what comes with greatness. You would suggest he should quit in the middle of the season. You can't talk about team. No more than think about this. Let me put it to you this way. And we all this all fun because I love Scottie Pippen was a good brother and a great champion. And we don't even want to tell you how close I am with Tracy McGrady. That's my man. So we just talk a basketball ain't no. But love for them. But let me break it down to you this way. Joe think about it. Like this think about it like this. Scotty Pippen could say Zion. We've since you quit, right? And just go pro every reserve talk to go pro right in the middle of the season. How could he say anything about any player being dysfunctional? If you okay that. And then we ended the way the guy. Why not what is it not noticing? Tell me when a commentator suggested somebody should quit in the middle of the season. Got nobody does that. Nobody does that you get hurt. You might not come back because it's too risky because one hundred percent healthy. And you got hurt all before the season. You make a decision not to come. But you one hundred percent healthy dropping thirty five and a college basketball game duck in on everybody every chance you get being one hundred percent healthy. And just say, you know, what I don't feel like playing no more the hell with the national championship pursuit. I'll go chill out a way for the NBA draft who's done that who. Come on man, you know, better than that. You can't condone that. Could we own it? You can never say anything about anybody else. I we want to call them by John Elway. My why everybody what about why is everybody? Everybody's owns Jones. Right. Everybody say you soon be too GM. John Elway didn't fail o-over. Oh. Oh, right there Saturday John away has not done a good job as of late evidence. Peyton Manning left. They've done nothing. But. But who got paid into come to Denver? Tabulate Tom who got paid man in the come to work with me here? Just answer the question. I don't need to the peanut gallery. Two extra the extra stuff. Just answer. The question who got payment and come to Denver? Of course, always. Okay. Did they want a Super Bowl when he got here? All right. Was the last time the Cowboys won Super Bowl? We talk about the cattleman. I'm just saying you say everybody getting on somebody else. Jerry Jones, you brought up Jerry Jones, when's the last hundred dollars. Cowboys won the SuperBowl. No twenty five how many playoff games that. They were in the last twenty five years time, we have to lose and fees. I'm out. Where's it asked to my question? When's the last time the Dallas Cowboys won the Super Bowl, and how many how many playoff wins? Do they have in in in the last twenty five years three? All right. Here's one question. How many wins in the postseason? Does it? Take to win the Super Bowl. At least three so no at least three so there's at least three ways that you have. So what I'm trying to say is in one year of winning the Super Bowl and another year of going to the Super Bowl when they lost the Seattle, that's at least five playoff victories. That's still to more than Jerry Jones had last twenty five years. Why are you bringing John Elway his name up in the same sense as Jerry Jones only cry through the pain? Bill. You're Brock Osweiler. Right. I I agree with you that John Elway has struggled. All I'm getting on. You about is for mentioning him in the same breath as Jerry Jones. That's all they have a nice day at an eight say ESPN edited seven to nine three seven seven six. Let's listen. Thirty minutes past the hour Adrian bona in pursuit of the WB crown of against many Paki out this Saturday night at the GM grant in Las Vegas, Nevada. He'll be on the show with us. So he says we hope that he will be until then Stephen A ESPN radio ESPN news right away. Gentlemen. Stopped lounging around be active. Take your girl out go to a game more concert get tickets to something. Plus the players are upon us. And the time is now to jump on those tickets for your ticket needs look, no further to vivid seats deficient department of ESPN dot com and enter promo code ESPN to get ten percent off your first order get out. Go having experience fellas get to the game and use what I use it's vivid seats once again Adrian Brodie up next don't touch that. Dial Stephen radio. Let me tell you about Pete who loved hockey and always wanted to play in the NHL Pete played since he was three and begged his mom to let them stay on the ice by some nights. He even slept in toppy escapes practiced and practiced until one day when he was forty seven p realized he just wasn't that good. So he threw his skates in the trash. But then you heard how DIKO proud partner of the NHL good save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch. So it all worked out. You'll seem to the Stephen a Smith show podcast. Saturday night January nineteenth the UFC debuts on ESPN. Plus with a true super fight champion versus champion bantamweight title. Hold a T J dillashaw drops to the flyweight division to face the king of the one hundred and twenty five pounds of vision. Henry Suharto live on ESPN. Plus at ten pm eastern. Coverage of the prelims starts on the ESPN at eight pm eastern, by the way, start your free trial of ESPN plus today. Download the ESPN app to get the best of UFC on ESPN. Plus, I'm hoping my next guest challenging Manny Pacquiao for the WB welterweight crown the one and only Adrian Bruneau are you there? My man. Hey, what's going on, man? How you doing wondering? Why you ain't here? Let me tell you. I'm I'm not there because they got me working pro. I got I gotta work radio. I gotta work television. Listen as much as I love boxing. I don't get to get to too many five to Floyd fights my talk rear. I went to a heavyweight match with wilder and. Call you out. You know, have a call you. Gotta call you. If you would be here. That's not true. That's not true. It depends on where he's fight because let me tell you something Audrey burden on a bunch of this plenty of fights in-shore for Floyd. That's not true. I swear to you. It's not true. What what what are you saying? There's not a big fight. Well, you know, what you know, what I'm going to tell you this agency says we want to talk you like interviewing me, I don't mind answering these questions actually love it. Let me tell you. I think I actually want you to win this fight, man. I want you know. No, no, no. Not be here. I didn't have to bring your name yesterday. I brought her name up because you wouldn't fair. And I thought Greg your name we're going going to make you know what? All right. I'm going to go there. And I'm gonna interview that I do let me tell you something. I can I can I make a razors. This your win this fight. Will you want me to come in? How about that? How about that? Because Adrian granola. You know what we don't win? And I'm coming to LA, and we're gonna do it there. Browser that edge, bro. I mean, we take to show most of the time. We do the show live rather most of the time in New York. But sometimes we do it in L A. But I'm going to ask you this question. You ready for this fight? Are you ready to take out Manny prac? Yup. Is the elephant heavy Justice. Now, that's not that's not answering my question because Adrian when when when we look at you, listen, you, listen, you're thirty three and three for crying. I like you've never been knocked out give you mad credit for that. But the three losses since one could argue you shouldn't have lost any of those fights. You shouldn't have lost Mikey Garcia. You shouldn't have lost Markle's but done you compete those gods. So there's been questioned. All right. So so why did you lose those fights and wash it we believe you're going to be back you out of Saturday? I'll answer those questions when we do a personal interview poem on there. We go. Right now, I'm focused on many pack yelling. I will beat many Pecci out Saturday. Like, how do you know what other questions as those questions up closing? That's fair. That's fair. I can understand that tell me why you're gonna be mad. So let's stick to many pack you out in right? Why are you going to be many pack out Saturday night? What? Because honestly, he does not a better fighter than he. He's not he's not blessing. What what what God gifted with and everybody. No one hundred percent Adrian broader is undefeated stays undefeated. But. I'm not mad about you know, my losses. You know? They made me who I am the day. So you know, they night that will be another turn to my chapter in my book, and I will be taking over the sport of boxes. Now. Are you are different Adria Bronner is this somebody? That's just ready for this fight. Or are you a new man you've been to a lot, and I'm not gonna chronicle all of that? We only got a minimal amount of time. It will save for that face to face when we have that one day in the near future. But are you a different Adrian Brodie a period, or is it just going to be a different fighter that shows up Saturday night? No, no, no. This is being AB going to say series, man. Like, I said before it is the second half of my career. If I don't do it. Nobody going to do it. If I don't nobody's gonna help me. So you know, I gotta make this happen. We had enough plant. We we did enough planning our career. You know, it's time to fight serious question in all seriousness this map because because obviously I'm hoping that you will. But here's the deal. You know, there there were stories with that was talking about how you was as such a depressed state that you contemplate, and they point to tweets crying out loud. This is this is months ago, obviously, where you actually contemplated committing suicide because of the folks walking away from you folks, not believing in you folks, abandoning ship after a loss here, they're, you know, obviously, some of the legal troubles that you got into are you beyond all of that. Are you totally ready and that stuff is in the past? And you're in a better place today more so than ever before. At the movie. And I think it was so January nineteen like I said before after the fight. I'm I'm definitely coming to get the win. I'm going to get the win. I'm gonna do whatever. I gotta do to get the victories. And then I gotta meet up to you. I don't care if you let your your friend house, your best friend. How people do the interview. All right. That's no problem. But let me ask you this also because when people talking about you in the latest fight they're saying you don't throw enough punches. You do understand this as many pack. Yeah. You're going to get you're gonna have to throw put just to win this fight Adrian. But in about a lot of punches about the right punches, and we've seen we think that putting your con-, you know, he got plenty along. He got more losses than me. So so we're not gonna just make things like I'm fighting. I'm fighting God it the person who don't make mistakes. Right. We're we're fight many pack. You out the person who got knocked out three times flatlined every time. He got multiple losses. I it's not it's not a mystery that he can lose. Well, definitely take many prac could lose it. I definitely through particularly considering a counterpuncher that you are. I definitely think that you gotta damn great shot. My issue is is that again if you're not throwing enough punches. And let's say, for example, it goes to the scorecards you might find yourself on a short end of the stick again, just because you was an active enough and the judges don't give you an acquaintance. They've said that about you and losses in a couple of fights that you just did. I'm gonna take that. I worked my hip. And I won't put on the show. Jay wright. Okay. Are you predicting a knockout on a decision? It's the opposite to self. I'm taking it. Okay. And what do you expect a Manny Pacquiao to throw it? Right now, they throwing the book at me. But right now, I'm I'm so I'm so in shape, I feel so good. If it was a rain storm in Iran in and are coming in dry. Your broder. Good luck Saturday night. I will be watching. I can promise you that. Thanks a lot, bro. Thank you. We'll talk. Adrienne Brown challenging many pack for the WB crown right here with Steven A ESPN radio. ESPN news editor they'd say ESPN. It's inundate seven to nine three seven seven six look. We can't excuse everything that we've heard and seen for major Brown. And again, he was running on his treadmill and all that stuff. He say going to answer any question because he's like if it was Floyd there, you'd have been there, actually, I've only been to Floyd fights in my career when he fought Manny pack. Yeah. And when he fought. Conor mcgregor? 'cause those were I didn't go to him when he didn't go to the Floyd fight when he fought Bertel actually three because I did go to see him against Arturo gatty more than a decade ago. God rest his soul gatty because that fight was right in the city. But I didn't go see Florida. Oscar, I didn't go see Floyd again. It's almost against almost anybody else. I saw three fights geddy pack Yao and Conor McGregor. That's it. That's it. Now, he's there Mike Tyson. So by that had been different because I love you guys. But getting back to Asia rohnert, look, this guy's got a who's who's what's list of legal issues domestic violence, aggravated robbery weapons case against him beat up a man over a gambling dispute failed to appear court one time another time appeared in court late and drunk and got thrown in jail by the judge because of that. I mean, everywhere you turn it in the two thousand sixteen admitted he contemplated suicide. What a string of disturbing post on social media. But here's the deal the fight game. Here's what the reality is people look at Brana and they look at him as wasted talent. Because he's a big Tom talent that doesn't utilize all of his talents to you know, his capabilities. It's not throwing enough punches doesn't appear to be focused enough. Not always shaped that kind of thing. And they've lamented that, but the reality is that if Adrian Brana was focused. His skill set that he possesses is the period enough to most where you look at the three time champion, a former three time champion in three different weight, classes, you look at him. And you say guess what he can do some things whereas Manny Pacquiao is widely recognized somebody who's lost step who isn't what it used to be. But he's still beloved. So we shall see it at eight say ESPN editing seven to nine three seven seven six. No one ever goes out of style. Surprising, especially special friend, a loved one. With twenty four multicolored roses for twenty nine ninety nine for one eight hundred flowers dot com to order, go to one eight hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN. Your calls to close out the show in a minute. You listen live, Stephen ESPN radio. ESPN news. Just what you're in the middle of a Stephen swift show podcast made it. If you missed any of the show today, you can go and check it out on demand in the Stephen A podcast brought to you by the new Capital One saver card. Earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment two percent at grocery stores and one percent on all of the purchases. Hey, hey, what's in your wallet? Always was envious of a Samuel Jackson those Capital One commercials. Oh is that imagined myself? Hey, what's in your kind of like that back to the phones, we go it at eight say ESPN, let's go to Jordan, and you lava Stephen it was Georgia. Hey, what's up good afternoon to you? I gotta comment on Kyrie Irving. Hey, not Doug that into the ground. So I know he's apologized the Baronne but after going from Cleveland, Boston, even though the Celtics are in a better spot. What Cleveland is now two part question. Do you feel? He's having second thoughts on how things are turning out with injuries young talent visible frustration on the the second. I think his second thought was in regards to how unreceptive he was to what LeBron James was trying to do. And now that he's faced with the similar challenge. And he's got guys griping at him the way he may have felt he was griping LeBron. He's a bit more sensitive and understanding of what LeBron had to endure. I think that he was being honest about that. Yeah. Especially with him only being you know, an average of three years older than a lot of the people on the team second part of that was do you feel behind closed doors that he's won over Boston? And do you feel? He's won over that team. I mean that's much. Boston loves him. No question about it. But also understand why if both didn't have him they probably would have kept as Thomas, and you would have gave Ozzy at Thomas who's now making two million a year two million rather for this one year deal in Denver. You would have given Isaiah Thomas but hundred and fifty million minimal. That kinda relieved and that's not the knock at Thomas. Isaiah Thomas last time. He was held. He was average at twenty eight point nine a game. The problem is that is it Thomas hasn't been healthy over the last couple of seasons. That's been his challenge. Here's Cleveland fan. And I've been following them for a long time. I just I like. I got I got I'm on. I'm on a tight spot. You know, you giving me sentimental feelings. I got it. But I gotta go. Appreciate it. Marsha you live, Steve what's up? Hey, how's it going more wrecking the call? Why do you think Dwayne Haskins is projected to go earlier in the draft? Kyle Mary this why is bigger bigger? And the Wayne has because there's a ball and the lead in Ohio State the things that he can do the versatility. They say he can make professional throws. He can run with the football. He's got better size on him as well. And he comes from an elite program. I think that's the reason why I gotta run. I appreciate it. Troy real quick. You've got thirty seconds. Go. Yes, I'm Yarbrough. I just want to say about the Paki outside. I mean rar your father live west. 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Motoweek - Misano MotoGP Pre-Race Show!

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Motoweek - Misano MotoGP Pre-Race Show!

"From Moto Dot net it's the motor week podcast with your host Wilson why hello and welcome to Mota a week. My name is Wilson. Thank you so much for listening to the only MotoGP show on the Internet. The thing said alburto pooch may be a secret with two Cardi operative sent to wreak havoc at Honda while punishing Hail Lorenzo for jumping ship last season because there is only one way out of the Pentagon away. I know you think I'm crazy but think about it. For a second I mean pujols clearly a do coty train master of drama and he was using all of those skills to take aim at the perpetually injured or Hey Lorenzo coming into the weekend of racing and where are we racing this weekend. In Italy see the grand conspiracies afoot Mario may maybe I've been reading too many spy novels but there was drama between Honda's team boss and they're much maligned line rider just today and we're going to talk about it on the show before moving onto racing that's right after a week of being stuck out on the road and a hotel room where currently am I can't wait for some. OGP action we will be previewing round thirteen of the world championship the Marino gp at the antastic Misano World Circuit Marco Semen Celli will talk about the track the teams the riders and of course at the end of the show. I'll make some picks and you'll definitely want to stick around for those picks ex- because going a little bit out on a limb this week I might catch a little flak for the rider. I picked the win the race and I guarantee you. I wasn't drinking at least not before you're made the picks I wasn't drinking now because of my insanely time consuming day job and yes the end of the craziness is right around the corner but we still have a a couple of more weeks of the madness and because of that I've run out of time so I'm GONNA push comments back a little bit further and we'll jump into a few of the news stories before previewing reviewing the race but please please please keep leaving the comments and the photos I am reading them and I promise we're going to get him soon. I'm and where do you leave those comments well on on facebook at facebook dot com slash photo dot net you can also go to the red it sub head are slash mode weaker just go to ready dot com and search for mode week. You should be able to find their are subscribe to both of them hit the like button on facebook and then dive into the conversation I of course you can always find every episode of the show if you haven't checked it out yet on the website at motor week dot net and you can follow along on twitter at Moto Week right now. There's a lot happening on twitter because I'm stuck out on the road for three weeks but that will will change soon so follow now and then you'll get some good stuff later alright so let's get down to business since we don't have a whole lot of time. Let's get to the rundown. We're going to start with motor. GP News and the lead story I s the Honda Drama is back and in full effect Alberto Pooch versus Lorenzo what the heck kiss happening between those two and should it be happening is the major question then we'll move onto the two thousand twenty provisional schedule and the track that may take over for if one of the current circuits can't put on a race this season and there is a possibility of that then we'll go right into San Marino are full preview around thirteen of the Mo-. GP World Championship we'll talk about the track the Great Misano World Circuit Mark with semen shelley the manufacturers the favorites for this weekend's agains race a couple of other riders. I've got my watchlist and then as we always do. I'll have the picks along with those picks. Remember if you haven't set your lineup. NFC on the fantasy league do so and if you don't know anything about the Fantasy League head over to read it are slash motor week and pinned to the top of the form you will see all of the information nation on how you can join the very free very fun motor week fantasy mmo GP league yeah. It's a little late in the season the win one of the awesome awesome trophies. Were going to give away but that doesn't mean he's still can't join in on the fun so go. Check it out. Set Your lineups remember. You have a limited number of transactions so use them wisely. I'm alright right so let's dive into some motor. GP News Now and we've got to talk about this drama over at Honda and I did not mean for that to almost drive Alberto push whore hey Lorenzo so what is the deal. You know I was a little bummed because I wanted to have the show out yesterday but it ended up working to my advantage because the comments came out from Parisian Asian and Lorenzo responded to them and that means we've got some fun stuff to talk about now. I will admit I was exaggerating a little tiny bit at the beginning of the show now it's true Alberto push is probably not a secret to Qadi operative but he does love to talk and working for a manufacturer that is probably the most secretive in the entire paddock well. He's typically not allowed to talk about the bike or what might be working behind the scene so instead Alberto dove wholeheartedly into a topic that apparently has some very strong opinions about the status of his newly acquired writer in Horry Lorenzo and any preceded the toss the writer that remember he signed to co anchor an all star line-up for Honda squarely under the bus and how exactly did he accomplish shot. You ask well. I will tell you who's and I believe this was on the official Mortgagee podcasts and I'm not going to hold that against him. Even though I am a little bit miffed that he in come on our show instead but he said that Hori Lorenzo struggles with Honda this season aren't due to the bike or his technique but rather due to a lack of quote courage and willingness which is a pretty bold thing to say when you think about it and this is also coming from the same person person who just a few weeks ago before Lorenzo's return at Silverstone said he fully expected that Lorenzo would not be one hundred percent and he wouldn't be in competitive form and he it was fine with that and now after only that race where he said coming in that he thought Lorenzo would not be competitive now coming out of it. He makes it sound sound like who is hopelessly broken essentially suggesting that he's going down the same road is one of pujols other favorite writers in Dani Pedrosa. Now I do do think that there is some wiggle room with these comments because there's one website in particular that was all over these comments and makes you sign up to read about them even though it wasn't their podcast that got this information which doesn't make sense to me but I think there is a little bit of wiggle room here because it it is possible that push was really intending to kind of take a shot at Lorenzo's work ethic and it just came out wrong and if that is what he was intending to do well well. That's actually a far more defensible point because whore hey is definitely more the type of rider to expect the team to adapt to him then he is willing to necessarily adapt to the team. I mean do coty. Magic gas tank was a prime example of that and it is also a thing that as riders get older older and go through more stuff they have more wrecks collect more injuries that they do tend to be more conscious of how they ride and they do take less risks but I wouldn't. We can call that a lack of courage at all. I mean it's just that as writers progress through especially longer careers they become more and more aware of their own mortality Taliban and they ride accordingly and again at doesn't mean they're not brave. They're just being more intelligent about how they're approaching the risks that they take on the track so he might have been saying one of those things but he just didn't say it the right way you know but if he meant it the way he said it. I mean to say that Lorenzo were any motogp rider. Lacks courage is is is a bit ridiculous. I mean you've got to be brave to ride one of those those bikes that is really requirement number one to be Emoji P. Right or whether you've won multiple championships or you've never finished you know in the points you still have to be incredibly brave to get on one of those motor. GP Bikes and go out there and race with the best in the world. you know the very least pujols comments just simply came out wrong but at the other end of the spectrum if he really meant what he said well then he openly insulted of five time champ that rides for his team I mean you're supposed post to take those shots at the other guys not yours so even if he has evidence even if he knows that Lorenzo is kind of giving up why would you you say that in public. Why would you give your competitors? Why would you give your challengers fuel for that fire and I can't imagine Honda's very pleased with those types of comments comments because it shows weakness and they don't seem like the type of company that would want to show outward weakness now? I'm assuming that maybe pujols tactic cure. was you know some sort of attempt it stirring things up to motivate Lorenzo and who knows that might just work mean really or hey only started writing the wheels off the Cadi body once he felt that they weren't interested in him anymore. So maybe alburto is playing kind of a bit of reverse psychology but if that is the case ace well then it better work because if it doesn't well then he's just simply making himself look like a jerk because who wants their boss openly questioning their motivation tation levels in front of everybody you know certainly wouldn't want push should be my boss. I am really when it comes down to it. That's our job leave it up to US Albert a will debate Lorenzo's motivation level and his successors chances of success on the Honda because we're not as boss. We aren't signing those checks so it doesn't look nearly as bad. What if we're the ones who were right or wrong about them than if you were because either way? I don't think there's a scenario here actually ends up looking good because if Lorenzo Raj really really well after this well then it makes them look like he was wrong and if you know Lorenzo continues dry poorly after this well now he's right and he is basically saying my team sucks or my rider socks so I don't know this very very duty like from him. I think he's Kinda calling a little bit past what Takata might do two cottages suggests things here and there to create the drama who's just comes out and says it yeah. This guy is terrible. I don't know what to do about him so we'll have to see Lorenzo and so obviously responded and said hey I broke my back for you. People lay off a little bit and that's pretty good argument on his part. I mean it's easy easy to take a shot at a guy when he's down. Let him get back to one hundred percent or as close as you possibly can be Lorenzo. He'll parley runoff tracking hurt his pinky toe or something this weekend. Give him a chance at least to get back to one hundred percent then start to be critical of him on the bike. No I feel bad for her. Hey because a lot of his situation right now is self made I mean he just bad decisions going to Kati and then going to Honda and the way he left Duke Audi and everything like that but but still I mean he is legitimately injured right now so you don't take a shot at the guy while he's down wait until he gets back up. Give them a fighting chance and then you can have that discussion. I'm art so let's move on to the provisional scheduled for twenty twenty that came out last week but we didn't talk about it on the show then so when a chat a little bit about it now uh the season will start as usual under the lights in Qatar on March eighth but the big change is the second round with Thailand taking the next spot before the series moves over to my half of the world very briefly in Texas in Argentina but that means a lot of miles to cover to start the season and I'm sure it's an effort to break up the Asia rounds a little bit instead of lumping Thailand in with those traditional flyway races and that makes sense because there will be fans that want to go to both the Malaysian round and the Thai round and by separating them not only do not compete with ticket sales but you also get bands in that area of the world chance to save up money in between so they can afford go to both races and that's a smart thing to do the new race at Kimmy ring very predictably falls right in the middle of summer July twelfth and that makes sense with it being you know Finland and all Texas is round three April fifth the British. GP stays the newly repaved Silverstone August thirtieth after that stunner of Orissa couple of weekends ago. L. And Phillip Island remains right in the middle of the all important flyways at the end of the season October twenty fifth. Now the schedule is still provisional which means there could be changes is to and beyond that to the races on the schedule Bruno and Kimmy ring are both tentative that means that there's a chance the other of those rounds might not be run and we'll talk about why here in a second but more importantly what would happen if Bruno or Kimmy ring couldn't host host their round in two thousand twenty will apparently there's a secret deal in place or there was a secret deal in place. That's not really a secret anymore and that's because if if I am president gus responded to a tweet from a fan which is pretty cool by the way and he essentially said that if one of those too tentative tip tracks turned out they couldn't host their race while the series would instead go to Portugal he didn't say what tracks specifically but it would probably be poor to my which is currently hosting a world superbike round supposed to derail and that's significant because both Bruneau and the Kimmy ring are listed as tentative on the twenty twenty when he's scheduled the Kimmy ring is just simply pending final homologation by the F. Im and that's pretty much uncertainty. I mean they've already run a test there. They just basically need to wait until everything's built they go look at they. Give it the thumbs up and they're ready to go but bur no well they are once again. It seems like an annual thing with them. Facing financial concerns and that combined combined with the fact that all of the writers were asking for a repave after the race there a couple of rounds back means that there could be an issue I mean because if Dorner Dorna does demand to repave well that could be the killer for the GP for no may not be able to get the funds from the government they fight for money every single year from from the government to make the race happen and if they have to ask for a repave on top of that that could be the end of it for now at least that would be a shame because it really really is a great track impact in my opinion. I think that Bruno is one of the most underrated circuits on the schedule but if money becomes the kicker there than Portugal is apparently ready to step in and in addition to that be has said that Portugal already has an existing contract with the F. I am Dorna for twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two and beyond I think it's twenty twenty two and beyond and that means that one way or the other either another round is getting added or somebody's going to lose a race now. Nothing like that is really truly a certainty until it happens and I couldn't blame Dorna for kind of playing it. Cautious washes having a backup track just in case thanks to the Circuit of Wales very understandable there so we'll have to see whether Portugal actually gets right. I would love for them to get around around. I think it would be great if they got around but obviously there are a lot of places that would love to have a race and there aren't enough dates on the schedule potential dates on the schedule so it's always sad to see someone lose a race but down the road. It looks like one of the one or more of the current tracks is no longer gonna be on the schedule. It's just a matter of which one I'm sure or that. Everyone is kind of cautiously standing there looking to their left until the right and hoping that they're the one that he bodily pointing to when it stops spinning all right so just a couple of news stories they're now. Let's move on to the main event. This weekend's race round thirteen of the MotoGP world championship is this this weekend the San Marino gp at the fabulous Misano World Circuit Marco Semen Celli and let's start our discussion or preview of this round by talking about that track because this is very interesting for a couple of reasons first and foremost this place is intensely Italian. It's Valentina Rossi's home track. He lives just down the road until YEP so so the crowds there are not only sizable but also a very rabid sea of yellow that actually offset by much smaller but no less vocal crowd of die hard dukakis and that means packed grandstands and an awesome electric atmosphere for the race but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Italians dominate here. Nobody does really and that's the next interesting aspect misano in the last six years. We've had five different winners with Marc. Marquez has being the only repeat champion that spam and the last four races have seen nine different riders reached the podium and only Marquez and Andrea ditsy also also have been repeat podium finishers during that four year span so it's a difficult track to master year after year and there are a number of reasons for that I mean sometimes it's the weather there's sometimes it's the unpredictable pavement conditions and sometimes it's just plain luck but there are definitely a lot of things that can catch you out at this track. it's not particularly long but it does pack a lot of stuff into it's one and a half miles or let me do the math here carry the one about four kilometers for the European contingent and even though it's generally thought of as being a technical track there are also portions of the circuit that are deceptively fast. generally the middle middle part of the track the first third is pretty slow and twisty not stop and go though just a test of corner speed and it also offers a couple of opportunities to pass especially in the essence of one in two and then the double Apex Combo informed five but then things opened up quite a bit in the middle of the track and of course that's going to look very favorable to the Honda and Kathi but they aren't traditional straits. You've got a gently curved one that kind of put on the left side the brake hard into that tightening hairpin of turn seven and then the best part of the circuit the backstretch that then dog legs into curve ONA which looks like a spectacular section Dorado would love to give it a go you get one two two three right-handers of burying mid to high speeds and the bravery you are through that section the more speed you can carry the better but then you have just a tiny straight to break his heart as you can in the Karo that's turned fourteen the slowest part of the track which is a great opportunity to dive bomb under somebody for a heart block pass or maybe take someone out without really meaning to Um and all of that isn't enough after you spend all of that time on the right side of the tire through those three right handers and breaking into the hairpin then they throw a left-hander at you so you've got to be careful not to lose the front and term fifteen that could be calamity corner very much like Saxon ring you spend a lot of time on one side and then all the sudden you're on the other tires can get cold and that means you can lose the front end really really easy and speaking of block passing by the way a do not underestimate the final corner as well for some action if a couple of guys are close in the closing laps so this circuit offers a few handling sections actions a few mid to high speed Ed grip throttle control type of areas and that's why we see so many different winter's here because it lends itself to a variety of bikes as as long as it stays dry that is because this place is treacherous when wet. It's one of those tracks where you know the rain experts really can separate themselves because it's so difficult but that shouldn't be something we have to worry about this weekend. So far. The forecast looks pretty good all right so let's move onto the manufacturer's now starting with Honda and while no single rider rider or manufacturer has really dominated here of late Honda has certainly been the closest to that they've won three of the last four races and Misano to remark one for Daniel Amy Petrova and they've finished first or second but not first and second in five of the last six San Marino. GP's now the bulk of that success has has gone to Marc Marquez but despite the difficult nature of the circuit and the perception that nobody but Mark Kim ride the Honda challenging tracks the podiums have been spread around a bit. Dani Pedrosa had his fair share of success cow. Chrysler was on the podium last season. Even Scott Reading has been on the box on a Honda even though it was in the rain but they've got the handling for the twisty BITs. They've got the power for the more open sections Honda is definitely going to have the bike to beat this weekend especially in the hands of Mr Marquess but a better handling Takada should make them almost as big of a contender. Maybe as big of a contender this weekend we saw that last season as Andre the video so finally one in front of the Misano fans while dove e and a little bit tricky landed on the podium the year before that even though that was in the rain but still still it's no coincidence that the rise Dukakis corner carving prowess seems to coincide with their better results at Misano. The Italian bike is much better suited suited to the Technical San Marino track than it used to be and that makes still the if he is at one hundred percent after his record in the last round makes him a prime candidate to compete for a win and it also opens the door for riders like Petrucci Jack Miller and haven petco back to play a strong supporting role Sunday afternoon the Yamaha looked great coming out of last week's test top times for the satellite riders new parts and encouraging performance from the factory guys and a surprising amount of bikes in the top five over the last two races as well but will that translate to this weekend that is always the eternal question with Yamaha nowadays but in this case I think they have a decent chance I mean I know it has been a while their most recent podium here was with Valentino Rossi and that was in two thousand isn't sixteen but with better confidence with new parts they're rolling out and for the factory guys with a little bit of extra pressure in the form former Fabio Kotaro and Franken Morbidelli don't WANNA lose to those guys that might be enough to bought those factory riders back toward the top of the pack especially since it's this is attractive doesn't really expose their top speed deficit nearly as much as the last two that we went to and it those tracks they were still able to turn and good results so this has the potential to be arelatively big race for Yamaha of course. How many times have we thought that over the last two and a half years so I think the potential is there but you do have to take any of those this expectation with a grain of salt? Whenever you're talking about Yama now the characteristics that will help that Yamaha bike here handling lack of a big speed straight those are also also going to be very important to the next manufacture? We're GONNA talk about Suzuki so in that respect they're very similar but where the two diverge is impact results. Yama has had success here even if it hasn't been that recent but Suzuki have never scored a motogp podium IM- asano but while the other teams were rolling out some advancing new parts in the test last week remember Suzuki was slogging away tweaking the parts that they've been testing for a few months presumably trying to improve race pace right now at a track where they haven't really been able to break through quite yet and while that might be a little bit risky since it could have made them lose a little bit of ground in the Development Department the Honda that worked they did in the test may very well help them out this weekend so I would absolutely consider Suzuki to be a podium threat especially on the shoulders of Alex Rinse now when it comes to Kate's him well there are also no results speak for them either at Misano and with the kids not being the best handling alling machine in the garage. They're definitely going to be looking at this race as an opportunity to take a step forward as opposed to an opportunity to shock everyone by landing a writer in the top five five but they were working on handling specifically in the Misano test and Paul Spago said that they did make progress. He is definitely their best hope for a top ten this weekend. Although who knows you know with the pressure off now and encouraging dave testing under his belt although it was only one day of testing. Maybe maybe showing Zarko so we'll have a decent day himself or maybe he'll wreck out taking one of his teammates with them. It's really fifty fifty never know with him. What's GonNa Happen then we get to Pearl yet and and those guys are not in the best place right now me and Alessio spargo has been their biggest cheerleader for a couple of years now and even he he said he's getting frustrated with the lack of forward progress at the manufacturer and that's not a good thing I mean they tested some some stuff amazon? Oh but nothing really earth shattering no big upgrades that they're going to bring with them for the rest of the year and at this track both both Alice and Andrea. Yana haven't really had a whole lot of success so apparently might have very little choice but to just kind of tread water make it through this race is and wait for Aragon which is a much better track especially for a SPA grow but we'll see if maybe the test didn't do them at least a little bit good. They might be able to make some for progress so so those are the manufacturers which means now we get to talk about the contenders the writers I think had the best shot at finishing in the top five this weekend and maybe might take a stab Abbott winning the race and we have to start that discussion with Marc Marquez and you know this is an unusual track for marquess unusual in the fact that he he really has not dominated here but like most tracks where he doesn't have a whole lot of victories. It's not because he hasn't been fast and not a lot of victories is also a matter of perspective too. I mean for most riders having two wins at attract would be fantastic and we will be career changing for mark having two wins at Misano Zano Kinda puts the place on his naughty list a little bit so he does have those two wins here but strangely enough. Both of his victories have come in the rain in in dry races. He hasn't managed to put it all together. He's been bested by guys like Lorenzo and Dovy and even his then teammate Dani Pedrosa and of course he had that very famous run in with Valentino Rossi in San Marino as well but he still has four podiums in addition to that he had a fourth in two thousand sixteen and of course his worst finish here here came after his most thrilling battle and very famous battle with balancing Rossi for the lead in two thousand fourteen he eventually ran off and finished just inside the points. I think he finished fourteenth so Kamarck. Finally put it together here in the dry but we know he's fast and we know the bike is fast enough to win here too. But of course that's always the case and it really hasn't gotten it done here for him. In the past bud after Austrian silverstone well there's a little bit more from Arthur race as for than just the trophy and the points a measure pride is really on the line for the ninety-three team and we know we know that Martin Marquez isn't going to want to get beat three times row especially not the way he got beat Austria and silverstone so with a ton of points to play with and a little extra motivation I do expect him to be extra aggressive and a clear favorite just a matter of how much he wants to weigh that point lead against regaining his pride of being the dominant dominant rider in the series of course speaking of having something to prove on trade the video so squarely lands in that same category as well after getting bounced from the British British. GP thanks to the high flying antics of Fabio coiro. Dobie is definitely going to be coming into this weekend feeling like he needs to prove that he would have been a competitor in the last round by backing up his victory here a year ago Masano with yet another checkered flag and there's could do it I mean not only did Andrea win the San Marino gp last year but he was on the podium the year before that and it isn't just those recent improvements in the do coty that facilitated those types of results he actually has four career fourth place finishes here in addition to the wind and the podium and they've all come on different bikes one on a much less capable version of the desma Oh and the rest with Yamaha and Honda so he likes the track he gets along with it. Well and I'm sure that the hometown support is GonNa have a positive effect this weekend but beyond what it happened in silverstone doe V has an even bigger reason I think to go out there and win this race because he simply running out of time mm-hmm mathematically in the championship. I mean we can all pretty much agree that mark has wrapped up sure but technically Dobie is still in it but his point away margin is near the point of no return. You know a couple of weeks ago. We talked about the fact that Andrea is only real chance to do anything with mark was to win at every single track from here on out that he's one in the past now that plan was kind of a raced in the last round through no fault of his own but it was but he still needs to to try to get back to that plan this weekend. This is a place where he's won before and his again. His only shot is to win here ended every other track that he's won at previously in his career so it's essential. It's not really a matter again just like it's been for the past couple of races not really a matter of you know. He wants to win really bad. He has to go out there and win really really bad moving on the maverick Venezuela's now mad presents a bit of a conundrum for this race because he's been good but knock great at San Marino's rookie effort was terrible but the three races since his debut have resulted in fifth fourth and fifth place finishes so is in the area but he hasn't really been a podium contender but that's not really the source of my consternation. When it comes to math it's more the difference between his recent results on the track and his perception of the hose recent results on the track because then y'all is actually been writing really really well I mean think about and he's got to win and three podiums over the last five races and that is a really big improvement over earlier this year and really the majority of last season for him on Liam one but despite that despite running rather well he's still the more pessimistic of the factory do and that's that's no small thing because as we know if maverick Fan y'all is in the perfect state of mind his performance tends to suffer and that's where conundrum comes in he's riding well and I think he can have a very good race but does he think that he could have a very good race but I'm gonNA lean a little bit more on on his recent race day performance than his debrief comments and I'm GONNA look at him to have a good brace as usual with math opponent is absolutely possible but it all hinges zone qualifying and especially on the opening laps of the race? If you can get up to get started he's got as good a shot as anyone including dove mark of going out there and winning but what if he does it well we all know the routine he'll be mired mid pack for half the race and then he might recover the fifth or sixth and that's about it so it's kind of all or nothing I think from Henriksen yellows now when it comes to see me a Valentine Rossi who this is a big big track. This is the doctor's home race but believe it or not that works just as much against him as it plays to its advantage and I'll explain what I mean here because obviously Rossi has had a lot of success three wins six podiums at Misano but just as as much as he wants to win in front of his hometown fans he wants to get on the podium at his home track. Well everyone else justice desperately wants to beat beat Valentino Rossi at his home track and because of that he's had some fierce competition from the likes of guys like Marquez and Lorenzo over the years now the past couple of seasons seasons have been a little bit of a struggle though for the doctor Rossi's last podium was in two thousand and sixteen is last victory all the way back in two thousand fourteen sell it it has been a really long time since his last trip to the top of the box and he's rapidly running out of opportunities to get another one of those dream wins in front of the masses of Yar forty six fans but he's got a lot of reason to look up heading into this race. He pretty good Misano test. They ran out some new parts that they're probably elegant have on race weekend then you factor in that the track should be a bit more content Yamaha's lack of top speed and he should have a positive attitude sued on top of that neither factory writer in the Masonic test complained of grip issues. At least I didn't hear any complaints of grip issues. That's pretty big so this might be Valentino's best best chance of the season to pull off a big surprise finish and make everybody go crazy and W. now Alex Rene's is coming into this race with a ton of momentum after that huge victory and silverstone and there are some good reasons to think that he may very well be able to keep that momentum momentum going this weekend. Alex was fourth here a year ago and this was really Sabrina. GP In two thousand eighteen was really the race that that kick started him that propelled him to that strong finish which set him up for his breakthrough two thousand nineteen season where he's had the to win so far I'm plus he's had all kinds of success S. in Misano at the lower levels a second moto two and a pair of wins emotive three now his recent consistency definitely a matter of concern concern but the win in the last round I think probably broke that trend and this is Yuki. Corner speech should be a great match for the slightly more Technical Marquis de Micheli circuit. You know with plenty of competition. I'm not sure he's going to be able to really recreate that silverstone magic but he's certainly figures to be in the mix once the lights go out and then finally and this is a bit of a stretch on my favorites list but I'm gonNA throw in Calcutta slow because cow was third here a year ago and and that is his only podium in San Marino but his results have certainly been better recently than they were a few months ago and not only is the Honda a good match for this track but CAL's fearlessness should also be a decent matches well as long as he doesn't push far over limit and he hasn't really wrecked here. I think he's been at one time and Massana but don't quote me on that. I'm not one hundred percent sure but I think he's only wrecked one time. I'm usually there are a couple of Honda's in the top five at this race and my opinion cal has the best chance of any Honda rider not named Marc Marquez. FBI in that top five group so those are my favorites this weekend but there are a couple of of other riders that I've got my I on and leading that list of other otters to watch Danilo Petrucci now he was a runner up here a couple of years ago that was in the rain and yeah he hasn't really done much of anything else but that in same reno but he comes into this race with a lot more confidence while he comes in this year with a lot more confidence he had good Misano test where he really felt like he got over that Hump the last couple of races have been that great for him and that combined with a much you better handling due category rapidly improving Takata in the handling department and the Italian fans. I think she really helped propel him forward and give him a good shot at breaking breaking out of that mini slump that he's had the past couple of rounds and getting himself back on that track that we saw earlier in the year where he was a guaranteed lock it in top six writer no matter or what the next rider my watchlist weekend Fabio Koch Harare now. There's not a whole lot for Fabio to go in here. In terms of past results is motor and motor three erases weren't terribly stunning but he does have a lot to prove to everyone after that disaster in Great Britain and that was a process he started in the Misano test just by leading the way but the other thing in fact the Misano test reminds me of the other thing that he needs to prove to is that he's more than just a time she leader that he's more than just a one lap Saturday rider that he can consistently run complete race from start to finish and if he can establish that this weekend if he can make it from start to finish this weekend without any boneheaded mistakes or without fading at the end then he absolutely is capable of battling with the leaders and Marquez has already starting to admit that mark is already starting to say Fabu Quattro is a guy gotta look out for and I don't know if he's doing that to kinda inflate Fabio's ego make Kim a little overeager and force him into those mistakes like we saw at silverstone or if he's just genuinely saying hey look out for the sky but either away populist gotta stay in his lane both figuratively and of course literally silverstone he really has to tune out the praise for Marc Marquez because it could very well be an attempt to get in his head and if he can do that and just stay focused on the goal and stay away from Andrea of it's the Oh so he could indeed be one of Mark's worst nightmares this weekend and going forward for the rest of the year Jack Miller also awesome makes a watch list this week he is definitely a solid top team rider when he does make it to the end of races the Kathi definitely handles better now and with the Halo Renzo knowing KTM decision drama out of the way hopefully that now frees him up to focus on getting back to that same form we saw out of him at the beginning of the season awesome you know I think that he definitely has a potential for a good finish here and he could even challenge Danilo Petrucci to keep that internal competition alive in the Dakota Cada camp and heck with peg Ni- starting again a little bit of confidence on that primarily bike then Jack Miller really has motivation from two sources one is is to try to continue to pressure pitchy at factory level and then the other one is a lot of motivation to stay ahead of his teammate. Maybe not so much this race but soon he's really going to have to start the worry more about Petco back nigh so a lot of different forces that could influence Jack Miller to step up his game and move forward in this race the next-door WanNa talk about Paul spago because he is. KTM's best shot at a top ten finish not just this weekend but every weekend. I'm not expecting the world from pole because he'll be fighting the bike at this track but if they made any progress at all in the Misano test then I think he's got at least just a decent shot at a good finish. Maybe not a great one. I mean he's already establish himself as a top ten capable right or I think you could be right around. There may be a spot or to hire if things it's really go his way then the final writer my watch for this weekend as a bit of a stretch but Lorenzo and I know he's had a dismal season. He's getting beat it up by his own team Boston Alberto Poos and he's still pretty far from being one hundred percent and unlike Alberta Push. I think it would be wrong to expect them to take any undue risks in this race but he is the most successful Modo. GP Era Rider Massana three wins eight podiums so even despite his current situation he at least bears mentioning even if you really should be holding your breath for a spectacular finish out of him this weekend so those are the writers on my watch list and now that means there's only one thing left to do and that's make picks wchs and like I said at the beginning of the show I'm going out on a little bit of a lemon this one just a little bit. You probably aren't going to agree with me but but what the heck I'll give it a go anyway. Here's my top five for this weekend San Marino. GP Starting Fifth Alex Rinse now coming off monumental victory in Silverstone's definitely going to be carrying extra motivation extra momentum into this race but the competition I think is going to be strong enough to keep him off the podium in this one one fifth would still be a pretty good result then things get interesting because in fourth I'm picking Marc Marquez. Yes I have him off the podium and here's why because this hasn't been his best track in the dry in the past and he's got that big point lead but eventually he's GonNa get to a race where he decides it's more important to protect the points and if Yamaha can help to Qadi apply the pressure Sunday then this very well may be that race case where he chooses the high road and because of that he bows out of the competition and lets everybody else slug it out while he takes him easy point so I have him in Fort that brings us to the podium in third this Sunday. I've got maverick Daniela's now questions about mavs confidence off the track aside. He's been writing really really really well of late and if he gets off to a good start not even a great start but a good start I think he does have putting potential. He can keep that run going south got him in third now that that brings us to the final two. I know you're doing the math in your head. You're like where you'll have mark in the final two so dove Ian who this might surprise you a little bit but in second I'm picking Andrea David. CEO So now Dobie is under pressure to try to make a run at mark but we don't know if he's going to be one hundred percent or not now the closer to one hundred percent the closer he'll be to the front and to the potential for a win but endurance factor in here as well and as as long as he's ahead of mark. I don't think he's going to be too bothered by finishing runner up and so he might ease off a little bit at the end to make sure he can finish the race and that's the only reason I have him in second which means I have to pick a winner and it's not mark. It's not dovy. Who is it Valentino Rossi? I know duct ducked because I know somebody through one of the Marquez fans just chuck this shoe at their screen. Yes I'm picking the doctor. I am not convinced at all that at this pick is going to be anywhere close to correct but you think about the fact that it's his home track. Yamaha has some upgrades for the bike. Maybe he's coming in with a little extra confidence this this could this could be the year that Rossi brings something special back to Misano for his fans if he does well then I'm gonNA. AB SURPRISED AND BE. I'm I'M GONNA BE JEALOUS THAT I won't be into volume for the party because there won't be any beer or wine left for miles around so I know that a lot of people in Italy are hoping I'm writes a lot of the Marquez. Mark has an Andre the fans are hoping I'm one hundred percent wrong and I know it's a risky pick but that's all I'm going with my top five four San Marino this weekend embittered Alex Rennes Fourth Marquez and on the podium maverick Fennell as Andre the video so in your massana winner Valentino Rossi. Do you agree. Do you disagree degree. You know what to do. You can tell me on the facebook page facebook dot com slash mode week dot net or overarm read it at our slash motor week. If you don't like my picks tell me who you think is going to win instead so next up well. We have a racist weekend which means we're going to have a post race. 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TR Vs. The World

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TR Vs. The World

"Hello this is Ron Burgundy. And you're listening to my voice which commands trust and respect. Guess what my podcast is back. And that's a win for everyone. If you're longtime listener to the show you probably already know the deal. Each week I bring you hard hitting journalism and also Light Entertainment. I contain multitudes. Find the Ron Burgundy podcasts. On the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. History versus is a production of IHEART radio and mental floss. The ninety five ton. Cyrus team shoveled chugging away in the collaborate cut is huge and complicated. It requires an engineer. A crane man of firemen and several pittman to keep it operating the machines. Five cubic yard bucket is capable of moving eight tons of rock or nearly seven tonnes of earth in a single scoop and here in the massive Gash in the earth that will become the Panama Canal. The machine goes about its job scooping dumping Scooping and dumping elephant sized mounds of Earth into waiting railway cars and currently President Theodore Roosevelt is behind the controls. It's November sixteenth nineteen six and with this trip to Panama. Tr has become the first sitting president to leave the United States. He's inspecting the progress on the canal. That will one day connect the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans when. He sees the steam shovel from his train. The president who is a kid at heart and can't resist a little adventure or a photo op instructs the train to stop hops down and strides in his crisp white suit into the muddy cut. He hops on board the steam shovel and begins a discussion with the engineer. Later assembled workers you are doing. The biggest thing of the kind that has ever been done. I wanted to see how you are doing it. He reports that he'll be able to tell people back in the states that he can guarantee the success of the mighty work. The men are doing in Panama. Adding it is not an easy work. Mighty few things that are worth doing are easy. The Panama Canal won't open until nineteen fourteen. But tears does it allows him to see a dream. He had spoken of since eighteen. Ninety four coming to life and the fact that he had supported a revolution with the American navy to make it happen and bother him. The least the canal was being built and it would allow the US Navy to move easily from Ocean to ocean and to get to America's Pacific territories more quickly and bullied to that Roosevelt. Famously said speak softly and carry a big stick. You will go far to some. Tr was an American visionary to others a warmonger but he was a man justice notable for the battles he fought as he was for the PC secured. So just how did? Tru's this big stick energy at home and around the world. And how far did he get him? We're about to find out for mental floss and IHEART RADIO. This is history versus a podcast. About how your favorite historical figures faced off against their greatest foes. I'm your host. Aaron McCarthy and this episode is tier versus the world. It's not so surprising that Theodore Roosevelt had a lot of opinions about America's place in the world. After all by the time he entered Politics Roosevelt had seen a lot of the world as a kid. He traveled extensively with his family. Touring Europe between eighteen sixty nine and eighteen seventy and visiting Egypt and Jerusalem in eighteen. Seventy two and eighteen seventy three after both his first and second marriages honeymoon in Europe. Roosevelt came into the White House on the heels of a number of civil war veterans occupying the office for them. Worldliness was not a prerequisite for the job. President Mckinley famously couldn't even find the Philippines on a map when the Spanish American war began. Here's Jeffrey Wall. Row Professor and director of the Military History Center at the University of North Texas speaking at the Twenty Nineteen Theodore. Roosevelt symposium put on by the Theodore Roosevelt Center at Dickinson. State University. North Dakota Roosevelt's arrived in the White House with a better knowledge and feel for the world arguably any of his predecessors with the possible exception of James Monroe or or John Adams. What he did was travel and read travel and read and reflect. That's Clay Jenkinson founder of the Theodore Roosevelt Center. He's been to Germany. He lived there and his family the end of the Vatican. He's met the pope. He's gone to Egypt. He's hunted along. The Nile is. He's met heads of state he's had one of the most privileged travel lives of any American President and he's ready reads five languages Iranians. Maybe not a book a day but close to it. He's veracious in loves history loves geopolitics. He knows the Roman Empire Napoleon Nino's rise of the British Empire Scott who knows things fin the moment. Roosevelt entered the political arena. His mind was on expansion after president. Grover CLEVELAND AND ANTI-IMPERIALIST REFUSED TO ANNEX HAWAII. Roosevelt bemoaned his decision not to exert his power for tr taking who I was a necessity for the US. It would help the country build up a military that could compete with. Japan's might out in the Pacific and expand American influence on the other side of the globe in eighteen. Ninety five writing in century magazine. Roosevelt said it was a crime against the United States. It was a crime against white civilization not to an exit two and a half years ago. D delay did damage that was perhaps irreparable or it meant that at the critical period of the almonds growth. The influx of population consisted not of white Americans but of low caste laborers drawn from the yellow races. So I just want to pause right here because of those phrases white civilization and yellow races. Roosevelt stance on imperialism is tied to an informed by his views of race. We'll discuss how he developed his us in a later episode but the cliff's notes version is that tears elite upbringing. Reading Habits Ivy League education and travels along with eighteenth and nineteenth century ideas about cultural and racial development. All informed his racial theories idea that we know today are totally wrong and also totally repugnant. According to History and Thomas G Dyer author of Theodore Roosevelt. And the idea of race. Roosevelt believed that the white English speaking American race was superior to other races and he thought it was America's duty to export its white civilization to other areas of the globe. Tea are believed that all races and nationalities evolved through the same stages of development from chaotic savages to barbarism where races organized military virtues are formed to the next stage where those military virtues blend with order and racial proliferation to the final two stages which see society lose its fighting edge and eventually fall into decadence and death. He thought that for a race to be successful and stay there. It was necessary to keep what he called. Its barbarian virtues. Basically you've gotTA keep fighting to stay on top tier new. The conflict would be inevitable in expanding America's interests around the world and do his belief in the importance of keeping those barbarian virtues. He wanted it in eighteen ninety seven. He wrote that should welcome almost any war. I think this country needs an address given not long after he said all the great masterful raises have been fighting races and the minute that a race loses the hard fighting virtues then no matter what else it may retain no matter how skilled in commerce and finance in science or art. It has lost. Its proud right to stand as the equal of the best to you. Feel kind of uncomfortable right now listening to this. So did I when I read it. There's so much it's problematic here but before we dig into it a little more history. Cleveland wasn't alone in disliking America's imperialistic. Tendencies this was a period. When many elected officials had general distaste for growing a military and expanding American influence around the globe William Jennings Bryan President McKinley opponent in the nineteen hundred presidential election? And a Man. Who was pretty much. The complete opposite of Roosevelt's laid out the anti-imperialist viewpoint perfectly saying we cannot set a high and honorable example for the emulation of mankind while we roam the world like beasts of prey seeking whom he may devour worldwide though the tides of returning Japan and Russia were expanding in the Pacific and Britain. France and Germany continued to colonize around the globe. All these other nations are building colonial empires and seeking out new markets and acquiring territory. He thought grover. Cleveland should be impeached for not taking Hawaii when he had the chance. He's an imperialist an agenda as he believes that war can be healthy. Award can be healthy for our country. It can kind of Reinvigorates you and concentrate your manhood and remove some frivolity and some complacency from the country? And that a good war. Now of a tune-up we don't most don't see the world that way anymore. And he he believes is an ardent believer in the Monroe doctrine in that America's going to become a world power that we need a big navy because you bet reading Man's book the implants that seapower on history Roosevelt's vision for a mightier. More expensive America would get closer to reality when he was appointed assistant secretary of the Navy in eighteen ninety. Seven he was a vocal proponent for against Spain at the time in defiance of president. Mckinley is more methodical approach. Tr would also be a key figure in growing the US Navy and preparing them to go to war at a moment's notice and when the Spanish American war came in eighteen ninety eight it was Roosevelt's who personally helped lead the charge on the ground in Cuba be believed to thanks. What is we need? We need to do this. We need these wars. We need to assert ourselves as a nation have become second only to Britain. Maybe I and secondly if you ought to lead this country you you need to know something about these things. You can't just be standing out on the appropriate you have to get in the arena. You can see these getting the arena themes often in Roosevelt's speeches including in the strenuous life in which he explicitly linked empire making with the idea of American masculinity the timid man the lazy man the man who distrusts his country the over civilized man who has lost the great fighting masterful virtues the ignorant man and the man of Dole mind who sold is incapable of feeling the mighty lift that thrills stern men with empires in their brains all these of course trink from seeing the nation undertakings new duties shrink from seeing US build a navy in an army adequate to our needs shrink from seeing us do our share of the world's work by bringing order out of chaos. These are the men who fear the strenuous life who fear the only national life which is really worth leading. Roosevelt also argued that in places like Cuba and the Philippines Americans duty to oversee their populations until they reached a stage where they could govern themselves in the strenuous life. He said that the Philippines offer a yet graver problem. Their population includes half cast a native Christians warlike Muslims and wild pagans. Many of the people are utterly unfit for self government and showed no signs of becoming fit others may in time become. F- It but at present can only take part self government under a wise supervision at once firm and beneficent we have driven Spanish tyranny from the islands if we now let it be replaced by savage anarchy. Our work has been for harm and not for good in his one thousand nine hundred annual message to Congress. Roosevelt wrote Americans could successfully govern themselves because they have been working at it for generations and said that we couldn't expect to have another race accomplish out of hand what had taken Americans so long to achieve especially when large portions of that race start very far behind the point which our ancestors had reached even thirty generations ago he continued in dealing with the Philippine people we must show both patients and strength forbearance and steadfast resolution. Our aim is high. We do not desire to do for the islanders. Merely what has elsewhere been done for Tropic People's Bhai even the best foreign governments? We hope to do for them. What has never before been done for any of the tropics to make them fit for self government after the fashion of the really free nations in the book. A People's history of the United States. Howard Zinn writes that. Roosevelt was contemptuous of races and nations. He considered inferior and according to grow. Roosevelt never thought about how weird it was that Americans should be a democratic nation and yet imposed their decidedly not democratic will on other nations. You never for example contemplated the contradiction between American democracy in America imperialism that is having one system of government for Americans in the United States and another system of government for America's overseas columns of course everything Roosevelt as positing completely disregards. Those countries would have retained their right to self-determination and been just fine if not for the intervention of foreign powers later while campaigning is the vice presidential candidate for president. Mckinley Roosevelt pushed for American control of the Philippines before he signed up to be VP. In fact he'd into his friend and mentor Henry Cabot Lodge. That the thing I should really like to do would be to be the first Civil Governor General of the Philippines still there were opponents at home including William Howard. Taft who would go on to serve as governor. They're one of the most visible opponents and one of Roosevelt's most outspoken critics was writer Mark Twain in one thousand nine hundred interview that appeared in the New York. World Twain lamented America's insistence on intervening in the Filipino government. I have tried hard and yet I cannot for the life of me comprehend how he got into that mess he proclaimed. I thought we should act as their protector. Not Try to get them under our. He'll it was not to be government. According to our ideas but a government that represented the feeling of the majority of the Filipinos a government according to Filipino ideas. That would have been a worthy mission for the United States. But now why we have got into a mess. A quagmire from which each fresh step renders difficulty of extrication immensely greater the long and shockingly brutal war would be officially declared over in July nineteen two and tr was the president who made the announcement. Here's Michael Colony author of Theodore Roosevelt's ghost what he's struggling with the war and their Philippine reward that he inherits from the Kennedy of course and he's struggling with explaining how the US is going to get itself out of the Philippines with its hands unbloodied. And so what he does is he. Just declares were over. And it's not over. I mean award goes on really until Nineteen fifteen but officially the war ended in one thousand nine hundred to in the end. An estimated forty two hundred American troops and twenty thousand Filipino. Troops have been killed in the conflict but those numbers are a drop in the bucket. Compared to the two hundred thousand Filipino civilians that are thought to have died from famine disease and military actions throughout the campaign. The years of war and bloodshed give America a stronger foothold in the Pacific which tear believed was incredibly important for strategic reasons but for many this was a potentially horrifying glimpse a nation that was seemingly looking to play itself into war after war all for the sake of devouring more territories. Here's Jenkinson those a constancy to his foreign policy and it really offended. People like Mark Twain Mark Twain looked on this. This guy's actually crazy. This is a very dangerous bat. This is the last thing the United States made. It's GonNa make us do all sorts of really awful dark things and a did you get involved this sort of thing and become a world empire. You're going to start doing things that are not really harmonizing with the basic ideals of of American life. Algebra view was well. If we don't do it somebody else will. So we're going to do this. Seems like a good place to a quick break. We'll be right back. Hey guys it's bobby bones. I host Bobby Jones show and I'm pretty much always sleepy because I wake up with three o'clock in the morning a couple hours later. I get all my friends together. We get into a room and we do a radio show alive. We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world if he possibly can and we look through the news of the day that you'll care about also your favorite country. Artists are always stopping by hang out and share their lives and music to wake up with a bunch of my friends. I Ninety eight point seven. W M Z Q in Washington DC or wherever the rotates you on the iheartradio APP Roosevelt viewed his role as a steward of the people and as he would later write in his autobiography. I did not usurp power. But I did greatly broaden the use of executive power Roosevelt believed. His position should be one of action. He wanted to influence policy and enact as much positive changes possible and he used power aggressively and oftentimes unilaterally often. His weapon choice was an executive order. Since the president cannot create new laws without Congress getting involved executive orders exist as a way for a president to instruct employees in the executive branch to interpret existing laws. A certain way so. Tr wasn't creating new laws but was instead manipulating them. How he wanted he passed a staggering. One Thousand Eighty one executive orders during his tenure in office to get things done. Roosevelt far outpaced his predecessor William McKinley. Who Tallied just one hundred eighty five executive orders? Here's Colleen Congress can act and you do. It is the most powerful branch if if it could Operate effectively and sometimes it does. But that's what Roosevelt I understood was that Congress wasn't able to organize itself that there's too many factions in that you major party that effectively their coalitions and those collisions don't always agree on policy and it takes a long time for Congress to work through to reach a consensus and so the president can do something in a moment and the congressman. Well if he said has to debate it. Roosevelt's use of executive orders helped quadruple the amount of protected land in the United States and lowered the age of eligibility for pension for veterans to sixty two for example Roosevelt also acted unilaterally when it came to international affairs historian Kathleen Dalton writes that in foreign policy tear operated as a law unto himself. He sometimes with other heads of state or intervened in international matters without consulting Congress or even his own cabinet. I these kinds of power moves did not go over well and whenever someone criticized the president for making those Moosewood. That didn't go over well. Either take for example when Roosevelt sent the Great White Fleet Sixteen naval battleships on a forty three thousand mile fourteen month journey around the globe in one thousand nine seven. This huge showcase of American power was sent off without giving Congress or the State Department. A chance to approve the mission which was an enormous expense and risk to the country when one senator threatened to withhold the money for the trip. Roosevelt is said to have replied that he already had the money. Endeared the senator to try and get back that brings us back to the Panama Canal something. Tr would take heat for long after he left office. The idea of a man made canal across the Isthmus Panama. A narrow strip of land between the Pacific Atlantic oceans have been a far off dream for politicians royalty and engineers from the sixteenth century. Holy Roman Emperor Charles. The fifth is credited as the first world leader to seriously consider the idea and ordered a survey of the area in fifteen thirty four. Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin would later support it well. Presidents. Andrew Jackson and ulysses grant would go a step further by sending surveyors out to see about its feasibility but the canal always seemed just out of reach of engineers at the time until eighteen. Sixty nine. That's the of a Suez Canal opened which connected the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea through the Suez in Egypt. It provided the shortest route between Europe and the lands around the Indian and Western Pacific Oceans Engineers. Now had blueprint for tackling. Panama and France stepped up to try to make it happen. The sewage canal company had been comprised mainly French investors and a team of engineers led by Ferdinand Dila sets for the Panam Project France again brought in Dallas APPS. Who claimed that the project would take twelve years in two hundred and forty million dollars to finish? Work began in eighteen. Eighty one but Panama could not be tamed. Like Suez heavy rains made worksites unnavigable and broiling. Heat Snake Bites Malaria yellow fever and smallpox kill off. Many of the men others were buried in mudslides along with their expensive equipment. The dangerous work environment was responsible for an estimated. Twenty thousand deaths. The project's costs ballooned two hundred. Eighty seven million and the canal was nowhere near done by eighteen eighty nine. The French had given up dreams of a Panama Canal would seemingly go unfulfilled and terror Theodore Roosevelt's when tear ascended to the presidency in Nineteen O. One he almost immediately began talks making his long held dreams of the canal. A reality he was determined to pick up where the French left off telling Congress. No single great material work. Which remains to be undertaken on? This continent is of such consequence to the American people that might not be as overblown a statement as you'd think a man made canal would cut thousands of miles off trips that had previously required ships to go around the southern point of the Americas it would speed up. Commerce further connect globe in the hands of America. Help create an empire still. There was debate over the exact location of the canal. One School of thought believed Canal Nicaragua while increasing minority preferred Panama. Though Panama was losing in Congress. A man named Phillipe Bruneau Varia a civil engineer and an investor who had financial ties to the old French project successfully helped to lobby politicians to choose more politically volatile Panama Panama. Though you had to go through Columbia which had control of the area at the time. So Roosevelt had his secretary of state. John Hey offer the government ten million dollars up front and after nine years two hundred and fifty thousand dollars annually for the right to build the canal area but the Colombian government didn't go for it. One rumored reason for the rejection according to Kathleen Dalton is that Germany may have sabotaged the US's relationship with Columbia. They allegedly did so by spreading stories. That Americans back home were prejudiced toward Colombians and routinely referred to them by a particular racial slur which some claim may have been enough to sour. The country dealing with the United States Dalton also says rumors abounded that Germany was willing to fund the canal behind the scenes which would have fed into increasing paranoia about German immigration especially to Brazil. Roosevelt couldn't let another European power have so much say in Latin America but Columbia still wasn't budging. He later told author William Roscoe Fair that trying to make an agreement with the rulers of Columbia was like trying to nail currant jelly to the wall. There's a certain number of millions of dollars we can give to them. They'll cooperate because it's obviously going to be in their interest but when they began to To Balk a little bit and don't want to just be rolled over Roosevelt flies into a kind of righteousness rage. He's he's got a problem with righteousness anyway and so then. He decides to just do what it takes. Roosevelt and other purveyors of American might were none too pleased about Colombia's dismissal of the US offer Roosevelt is said to have remarked those contemptible little creatures in Bogus. Aw ought to understand how much they're jeopardizing things and imperilling their own future in November nineteen. Panama launched a rebellion against Colombia. Well Roosevelt didn't officially support the rebellion. He deployed the US Nashville and other craft to the Panama Coast to block off any Colombian reinforcements and all but ensure that the rebellion would be a success. So there's at one of the many many a insurrections Happens in in the Panamanian neck of Columbia. Which is kind of physically isolated from the rest of the nation of the United States Doesn't exactly fomented but we do slyly. Encourage we recognize the new nation of Panama with an hours? It's very unseemly The whole thing is a smells of real politics. I reject the notion that the United States created the the revolution of Panama. But it certainly made it clear that it would not mind the revolution and then it would be siding with the rebels against the the Kleptocracy as Roosevelt. Saad of Columbia on November Eighteenth nineteen with three the Hebrew Novara treaty was signed and then ratified a few months later giving the United States possession of the Panama Canal Zone for ten million dollars and two hundred and fifty thousand dollars annually beginning nine years later. Roosevelt got roasted Dalton writes that the Senate accused him of usurping Congress's war powers though they apparently weren't angry enough to vote against the treaty. It passed the Senate sixty six to fourteen Colorado Senator Henry Teller basically called Roosevelt. Fief saying you have no right to take Columbia's land in the interest of civilization that is the robbers claim we want it and therefore we take it the papers also got in on the action with the Chicago. American calling Roosevelt's actions a rough writing assault upon another republic over the shattered wreckage of international law and diplomatic usage. Even Roosevelt's attorney general philander. Knox couldn't resist. Ribbing Roosevelt bit joking that he shouldn't let so great an achievement suffer from any taint of legality. Roosevelt was unapologetic. He would later say that. If Panama had revolted on its own he would have asked Congress to invade in a speech at the University of California in nineteen eleven. He continued to defend his strategy for securing the canal saying if I had followed traditional conservative methods I would have submitted a dignified state paper of probably two hundred pages to Congress and the debate on it would have been going on yet but I took the canal zone and let Congress debate and while the debate goes on the canal does the fact is he hastened bat project by years probably and it all. Kinda worked out later. After he left. Office Taft Wilson Administration's Essentially apologized to Columbia and offered economic recompense for the high handed us of what Roosevelt had done and this threw him into a towering rate. There was this. This is one of the most hurtful things in the course of his life and his was. Don't you don't do that you don't ever ever. After the fact come back and say well. My predecessor was a hothead door imperialist. And we're now going to compensate you that that's essentially an expos facto vote of no confidence to the Roosevelt Administration. That's unfair. He wasn't called upon to testify That is that it's an and he was deeply offended by this and it's part of what drove him to try to get back into power in nineteen twelve. Roosevelt would continue to flex. Us might occur Latin America for the remainder of his time in office by this time he saw debt as one of the biggest threats to the. Us Is Interested in the Americas and not us debt but instead debt that Latin and South American countries owed to European powers. Foreign debts could be used as a pretext for invasion. Roosevelt feared that too much. Economic turmoil could lead to military intervention and colonization of the indebted countries to a European power like the UK. France and Germany. He felt that things got perilously close during a debt crisis in Venezuela in Nineteen O two zero three which led to a blockade of the country by the United Kingdom Germany and Italy while there is no seizure of the country. Roosevelt was on alert. He wasn't about to let Europe have any influence on his side of the globe. His solution was established. The Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe doctrine. The Monroe doctrine was a policy adopted in eighteen. Twenty three the boil down to this. The United States would intervene in any European attempts at colonizing an independent state in North or South America the corollary was declared by Roosevelt to Congress in Nineteen. Oh four it stated that not only could the? Us intervene in any colonization attempts from Europe. But it could also step in when a nation's wrongdoing or impotence had invited foreign aggression to the detriment of the entire body of American nations in essence the United States prevent European intervention by intervening before there was even a crisis in his autobiography. Roosevelt said that nine tenths of wisdom is to be wise in time and at the right time explaining that the entirety of his foreign policy was based on intelligent forethought and decisive action before any crisis could pop up which he said would make it improbable that we would run into serious trouble so afterwards when rumors were swirling that Europeans were going to collect on their debt and the Dominican Republic through the use of military force. Roosevelt sent naval ships to the country and to control of the Customs. House there the. Us government began collecting taxes to repay what was owed keeping forty five percent for the Dominican Republic's expenses while the remainder would be used to pay off the debt. If you're going to protect the western hemisphere from European colonization if you're going in the age of steam and railroads to protect the Monroe doctrine. You're going to have to have the Roosevelt Corollary because those nations do misbehave and if we if we don't want Germany and England to come in and and And and slap them around. Then we're going to have to police those countries. The policy was popular among expansion. But that's about where its popularity ended in Latin America. It was seen as a gross overstep of authority and in the years that followed Roosevelt's presidency growing hostilities. Would lead the US to get involved. In a number of armed conflicts. In Latin America most notably Nicaragua and Haiti. It would be Franklin Roosevelt who had backtracked on the Roosevelt Corollary with the good neighbor policy in nineteen thirty three which promised more trade dialogue to stabilize Latin America rather than military. Might this will be formalized in the Montevideo Convention which proclaimed no state has the right to intervene in the internal or external affairs of another during the first few years of his presidency. Theodore Roosevelt had firmly established a pseudo imperialistic strategy for dealing with Latin America and the Pacific. But he'd soon be up against drama on the other side of the Globe and at home. We'll be right back dear. Young rocker is more than just a podcast about music. It's a memoir of how it feels to survive high school when you don't fit in and the freeing feeling of picking up a guitar for the first time it's also advice for anyone who is or was young and his ever felt weird or alone. Rocker Fan wrote to say a truly wish. I could teleport back to two thousand and give my younger self. This podcast and Ray. Your cellulite is just as pockets. Johnny ramones weird face on my wall. Another said thank you for sharing your story and letting my daughter No. She's not alone and that it will all be okay. The AV club's pod mass says about do I are this. Podcast exploring a relationship between gender rage and the power of music. There's like an unearth time. Capsules containing a forgotten strain of teen them fearing rocker is written and narrated by Chelsea Ersan executive produced by Jay Brennan and comes to you from double Elvis productions listened to Dr Marker on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. We've talked a lot in this episode about how. Tr spoke softly and carry a big stick abroad. But you can't go up against the whole world without having a few battles at home so i WanNa take a quick aside to talk about one instance in which he used his big stick on. Us soil it started in May nineteen to when around one hundred and forty seven thousand workers from the United Mine. Workers of America Union in eastern Pennsylvania went on strike. These miners specialized in anthracite coal. Which was the main heat source for cities in the eastern United States during the Early Twentieth Century? A labor strike usually wouldn't fall under the purview of the president of the United States but the prospect of coal shortage was different concerns. Rose homes go hitless and as the strike headed into the latter months of the year with winter looming. The president feared widespread. Rioting by heatless homeowners could erupt around the country if action was taken so roosevelt brought representatives from the coal mines railroads and Labor to the White House and told them basically that they were going to have to work it out. Jenkinson explains that Roosevelt also told them that he would be creating a commission to come up with recommendations and those recommendations would be accepted or else the captains of industry said No. There's just no way we're doing that That's not how it works. Rose outside well. That's how it's better word I'm going to send in. Us troops to run the coal mines if necessary. But I'm not going to let the people that states Priest it up in this coming winter because you can't work this out and so there's your choice you take commission and abide by its findings or I'm GonNa do what has to be done. Which is to secure the the distribution infrastructure of a coal which is how nation heat sits homes Roosevelt's commission. That helped settle. The dispute was made possible by J. P. Morgan who worked with tears then secretary of war ally who route to draft proposal plan for the Commission. The mining operators accepted the plan for the commission which would members chosen by Roosevelt by the end of October. Nineteen O two. It was agreed that the miners would go back to work. And the commission would be get its investigation into the situation which included three months of meetings endless interviews from both sides and more than ten thousand pages of testimony in the end. The commission settled on a verdict. The workers would get a ten percent increase in pay not the twenty percent. They wanted and their workday would be reduced from ten hours to nine. Not The eight hours. They'd hoped for though he didn't see all of their demands met the intervention and subsequent mediation from the Federal Government. Helped the workers get a fair hearing they likely would have otherwise and avoided the growing violence that so many strikes eventually led to at the time just like he proved on the global stage. Roosevelt wasn't afraid to use the power of the presidency in unprecedented ways when he felt action needed to be taken. Here's colony correctively. Roosevelt believed that the president could act as a mediator or arbitrator between capital and labor. And then He. He thought they excesses on both sides there I think. Tr was a particularly good arbitrator. Okay now back to the rest of the world. Roosevelt had proven that he was skilled arbitrator at home but in one thousand nine five. He faced the challenge. That tested those skills and foreign policy the Russo Japanese War. The conflict called for him to take on a new role not as a man who wanted to start wars but one who stopped them as Americans were involved directly in the Russell Japanese war. But I've heard it described as world war zero it was. It was an early mechanize war. That's tyler caliber to education technician at Sagamore Hill national historic site Japanese and Russians. Were killing each other in great numbers. They were sending soldiers soldiers to the front by rail car and it took place in nineteen o five so I mean it's only about ten years before the first World War the conflict between Japan and Russia involved the mutual interest in the lands of Manchuria and Korea. Russia saw control of this region because of its warm water ports. The Country Siberian ports always had to close. During the icy winters. To avoid a military conflict. Japan had originally proposed that Russia. Keep its interests in Manchuria. While Japan kept influence over Korea. Negotiations broke down though and Japan officially started the war on February eighth nineteen. Oh four with a surprise attack on a Russian fleet. At Port Arthur Manchuria. The war raged throughout nineteen eighty-four with Russia being handed one humiliating defeat after another. Japan's highly disciplined organized. Navy got the world's attention but despite the fact that Japan seemed to be winning the war the empire was running out of money and had discreetly reached out through an intermediary to see if Roosevelt and the US would act as a mediator to help broker peace between the two sides. Roosevelt seized the opportunity. But as historian Edmund Morris writes if he was to be a peacemaker he could not let czar thing he had solicited the job. Roosevelt told US Secretary of State John. Hey not to make it look like. He was outright offering his help. He wanted to end the fighting though. Roosevelt had grown uncomfortable. With Japan's dominance the war a decisive defeat of Russia an embarrassment of such a prideful empire could destabilize the whole political scene in the Pacific. And what would that look like for America which had just taken its first steps into the region? Here's Jenkinson Rowsell realizes. Whatever that happens this leads to trouble when this happens. This this destabilizes the world leads to more conflict than maybe a larger conflict so he wants America to get into the Arena. So he thinks this. Here's this moment where I I understand this. The rest of the world is too cynical and jaded to really know what to do here. So I'm going to do this kind of impulsive idealistic thing. I'M GONNA I'm GonNA offer to bring the belligerents to the United States to this neutral country and I'm going to say will provide the foundation the platform where you can work this out and it's a it's hard for us to realize how big a deal this was. This would be like Vietnam offering to step in and settle the dispute between the United States and Iran and the rest of the world just sneer and things. But who are these people that think you know what you have stabbing? What what a. What a Ridiculous Gambit. That is but there was a problem. Russia's Czar Nicholas the second was in budging the word just compounded Russia's domestic issues Nicholas was increasingly unpopular back home and an anti-aircraft sentiment had been spreading throughout the country ever since his coronation fanned by the upstart socialist revolutionary. Party peace talks at such time would look like a Japanese victory and czar. Our couldn't give any more ammunition to the salivating revolution. The pride was there but in the face of so many defeats by the Japanese. The logic was not. The saw is a preposterous little creature. As the absolute autocrat of one hundred fifty million people is unable to make war and he is now unable to make peace Roosevelt route to hey but by the start of nineteen o five peace talks became the only way out for Nicholas in January. The Russian revolution of nineteen ninety-five began partly brought on by the abject failure of the Japanese campaign worse yet came the disastrous loss of the battle of Sushila in May resulting in a Russian loss of four thousand men and almost the entire fleet compared to Japan's one hundred seventeen men and three sunken torpedo boats by August with Russia and Japan. Were READY TO TALK. And the first item on the agenda was for both parties to meet separately with the president at his home in the bay to discuss their desire terms for ending the war. Japan came first. Sending diplomat to Kamara insecure Kagoro Japanese ambassador to the United States to Sagamore Hill. They were followed a few days later by Russian diplomat. Baron Rahman Ramana Vich von Rosen and Surrogate Eulogy Vita an August fifth. The two sides finally met in person on the presidential yacht the USS Mayflower which was anchored in Oyster Bay for lunch. The Roosevelt was privately. Unsure that peace would be made. He warmly welcomed the two sides. The lunch was just as awkward as you might imagine. At least for the Japanese and Russians according to Morris Roosevelt alone seemed at ease. The meal was a cold lunch with even colder wine. A welcome spread for hot summer day and before they dug in Roosevelt offered a champagne toast which he asked to be unanswered. I drink to the welfare. And the prosperity of the sovereign's into the people to the two great nations whose representatives had met one. Another on this ship. It is my most earnest hope and prayer in the interest. Not only of these two great powers but of all civilized mankind that a just and lasting peace may speedily be concluded between them after lunch. The two sides took a formal photograph. Then the Japanese went to a separate ship and both sides along with the American sale to the Navy Yard. Portsmouth New Hampshire for the official talks. It was a remote site that was chosen for its peace and security over the scorching temperatures in goggles of reporters that you find in DC in August later at Sagamore Hill Roosevelt said. I think we're off to a good start. I know perfectly well. The whole world is watching me and the condemnation that will come down on me if the conference failed. We'll be worldwide too but that's all right. The talks immediately hit deadlock Vita who was acting on his ours. Wishes would not bend to the Japanese. There would be no reimbursing. The Japanese were cost. No forfeiture of territory especially the Russian island of Sakhalin which Japan had seized during the war. Roosevelt knew that the talks go nowhere if Russia was not willing to sacrifice. Its honor in any way. He continued to grow frustrated with. Russia's attitude letting slip one fantasy he had of grabbing the czar and his ministers marching them to the end of Long Island so he could run them violently down a steep place into the sea soon. Roosevelt shed his role as a neutral mediator and began taking a more active role in negotiations. Doing so in the same frank unpredictable style that had both thrilled and exhausted so many in Washington late one evening Russia's negotiator Barron Rosen. Got An unexpected wakeup call at two. Am from Third Assistant Secretary of State Herbert Pierce ordering him to Sagamore Hill to meet with the president that afternoon according to Morris Brazen found tr decked out in white flannel absorbed in a game of tennis but rather than put his racket down and get to the business a peacemaking. The president divided his attention between the action on and off the court returning to the game at nearly every pause in the conversation according to historian Stanley wine. It's likely that this conversation. The tennis court lasted around ninety minutes. And while Roosevelt did reassure rosen that Japan would cede to many of Russia's demands. He also said that it might be tougher to split the island of Sakhalin without some sort of compensation for Japan. So Roosevelt countered suggesting that Russia pay for its half in the north while Japan would remain in the south. This would leave Russia with some but not all of the territory at wanted and Japan would get some money out of the deal though. Not An official reimbursement again. The idea was rejected. Czar drew a hard line. That no compensation was to be paid and with a little digging you can see why Japan was seeking one point two billion yen and the amount that made even the disgruntled Russian people side with theirs are Japan was winning the war. It was hurting financially leaving them with little power at the negotiating table. So what happens when neither side wants to budge? Well nothing and I mean that in the most literal way possible at one point Vita and Komura officially had nothing left to discuss. Russia refused to pay Japan for its work costs and Japan would move ahead with the talks. No money came their way so the men sat across from each other. Slowly taking drags of their cigarettes not saying a word for eight agonizing minutes that silence was the sound of the Russo Japanese war dragging on and on and on Roosevelt's previous fear that the failure of this conference would become a worldwide failure on. His part seemed to be becoming a reality on Monday August. Twenty eighth the president realized there was nothing more he could do. Rumors swirled that the Russians were asking for their hotel bills so they could get out of Portsmouth then suddenly on August twenty ninth Vita entered another negotiation meeting with a white piece of paper. It contained Russia's final concessions there would be no payment but Japan would have south Sakhalin if Russia could have the North for Roosevelt. This was the only chance to end a war that neither country could even afford to keep fighting so he went to the Japanese and they said look. Yes I know you wanNA deputies and I know you want punitive damages territorial aggrandizement and and so on I get it and you probably deserve it but but you can't. I'm going to insist that you cut the deal here because if you don't if you cut too severe a deal all you're doing is planting the seed of a much more severe conflict down the lines. You're going to have to swallow your national pride on. I know it's GonNa be awful but if you do it you're going to be better off in the long run and the world's wash stable and so that's what I'm asking you to do. Japanese accepted the terms and the Treaty of Portsmouth was officially signed on September fifth. Nineteen O five. The treaty resulted in the recognition of Japan's interest. In Korea in greatly expanded their power in South Manchuria including over key railways Russia's power in the Pacific was now a fraction of what it had been but in the end desert in have to open his wallet enlarge part. I work as a mediator to bring peace between the two nations. Roosevelt was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in Nineteen. Oh six making him. The first American to win a Nobel Prize of any kind merce would say Roosevelt's piece was made possible because of his inexplicable ability to impose his singular charge upon plural power by sheer force of moral purpose by clarity perception by mastery of detail and benign manipulation of men. The most congratulatory was Roosevelt himself. Who Gleefully exclaimed which is a mighty good thing for Russia and a mighty good thing for Japan and a mighty. Good thing for me to the world was shocked and they realized this country as and this guy is one of the most interesting leaders on the world stage and he has moxie but he also has the capacity to fulfill the big dropping claims that he's making so this was. This was a great moment in the history of this country and a great moment for Theodore Roosevelt. And if he had said two thousand advisers should we try to get involved in this? Russo Japanese conflict. They would've said that has nothing to do with us. If you're probably GONNA SWAT YOU AWAY. We could just wind up being humiliated. Good is going to come of this. We gotta keep our focus on the real stuff we're trying to do but Roosevelt just had this big soul and he realized that if we can pull this off the world is going to look at us in a different way at was absolutely right. Roosevelt knew the power of the Japanese yielded and he knew that maintaining relations with them was integral to America's interests in nineteen. Oh six a domestic decision out of his hands threatened that relationship it happened when the San Francisco School Board decided to segregate schools in the district by separating Japanese students from white ones. The order was the result of hostility stemming from the ever-growing Japanese population that was entering the country for work at the time the order incensed Roosevelt's flying into a rage. He threatened to do anything and everything from suing the board of Education to sending troops to San Francisco to ensure the segregation. Wouldn't last Japan made it known that they were upset with the ruling. An anti-american protests were beginning to erupt throughout the country. If there was a war it would be one. The United States wasn't ready to fight. Tear knew he had to fix it. Roosevelt ordered the mayor's San Francisco and the school board to the White House and convinced them to rescind the order assuring the federal government would take care of the issue he also worked through the Japanese diplomats to come to an agreement in one thousand nine hundred six tier wrote to his Secretary of Commerce that he had spoken with Japanese ambassador about the issue. Telling him that the only way to prevent constant friction between the United States and Japan was to restrict immigration of Japanese citizens into the US to people like businessmen and students and to keep Japanese laborers out whom he referred to repeatedly using a racial slur. I'm not going to quote Roosevelt directly here because of that but instead paraphrase according to Roosevelt Ambassador agreed with him and said that he had always been against leading Japanese laborers. Come into Hawaiian the. Us Roosevelt worried that it would be hard to get the Japanese to agree to it because of what had happened in San Francisco but he hoped that his annual message would smooth over their feelings so they would ascend to the policy. At any rate he wrote I shall do my best to bring this about. The result is what is now known as the gentleman's agreement of nineteen o seven in it the United States agreed to repeal the discriminatory school practice and the Japanese government agreed to restrict issuing passports to laborers who wished to leave to work in the United States. Here's colony the gentleman's agreement has been viewed as a racialist policies. And I think that's only part right and not even a large part. So Roosevelt's policy was was raised. Racialist minute lock the Japanese out of the United States but that wasn't the primary reason why the gentleman's agreement was fashion because because Roosevelt worried about Labor in on the west coast particularly and he was worried about labor unions and also he didn't want to stop wealthy Japanese from coming to the United States. He thought well. We'll be Japanese coming. Were were basically a form of direct foreign investment and he encouraged that gentleman's agreement is really locked out Japanese labor and that was not the same for other countries like China. He really believed that excluding the Chinese entirely where he saw the Japanese as being to the working class and the elites like him And that sort of positive regard for the Japanese plays out in a number of letters that Roosevelt rights. And you know He. He speaks about the Japanese with the with the warm sentiment. Whereas you doesn't talk like that about the Chinese Thomas Dyer points out that the key difference in Roosevelt strategy was usually based on his perception of the race. He was dealing with tear had respect for Japan especially their military and saw the country as a potential challenger for global supremacy down the road whereas he called the leaders and citizens in countries like Colombia and the Philippines backwards people and savages among other things making them fair game for American imperialistic desires according to Dyer. Was there a difference in the way not are handled a situation based on sort of the leader of the country or his perception of the country? Because if you look at how he handled you know what happened with Columbia and the Panama Canal. It's very very different from how he handled you know what was happening with. Russia and Japan. Well he's a racist There's no question about it. I mean you could tiptoe around this but the racist in what was kind of a pseudoscientific way. He believed that there was a racial hierarchy that there was there was a hierarchy and at the top of that hierarchy where the Anglo Saxon people and then the teutonic people. Then it worked its way down. And at the very bottom or indigenous peoples in Zeeland that the American West and then South Africa and just above those indigenous peoples were Africans Roles. Definitely believed that a hierarchy and he believed that the White Anglo Saxon peoples of the world on Moss as a culture as a civilization or as a tribe or at the top of the heap. And that other people's were somewhere down. The interesting thing is that he put the Japanese very high in the hierarchy of some Europeans but below what he would have regarded as the most advanced Europeans. That's why he found them the Japanese so fascinating whereas the Chinese he would put the Filipinos much lower on those scales and so when he's dealing with Canada or England or France or Germany has a certain way of going about things because they're part of the club and we still have this. They're the G. Seven. We say it's economically based but it has a lot to do with other dynamics to Roosevelt's views on race are in a word complex on certain issues. He certainly earned his progressive reputation. He supported ending segregation in New York public schools during his time as governor famously invited Booker T. Washington to dine the White House when he was president and fought for a square. Deal for all Americans. When you dig deeper though many of his opinions are undeniably discriminatory and for some parts of the world destructive. It's an aspect of Roosevelt's legacy that historian still grapple with. How could a president as forward thinking in some ways has such a blind spot on the issue of race? It's easy to explain it away. As tea are simply being a product of his time or you could go the other way and paint him as a racist with a broad brush but those are both oversimplifications and as we've seen nothing about Theodore Roosevelt's or his views is simple. We'll be tackling some of these difficult questions in a future. Episode with undeniable is that Theodore Roosevelt and his policies had a lasting impact on fares both at home and overseas. He took a country hell bent on staying isolated and turned it into a dominant force on the seas. He stopped wars between world powers and carved a canal that United Oceans. Something that was seen as a fantasy only a few years prior works in all. Theodore Roosevelt went beyond the political battleground of Washington. Dc to announce to the world that America was a power to be reckoned with and if it had to it was ready to fight. He brought to the world as a central player. And we've been that central player ever since history versus hosted by me Erin McCarthy. This episode was written by Jason Pheno with research by me an additional research by Michael. Saga Rollo Fact Checking by Austin Thompson field recording by John Mayer Joe Wiegand voiced Theodore Roosevelt in this episode. The executive producers are Aaron McCarthy Julie Douglas Tyler Clang. The supervising producer is Dylan Fagin. The show is edited by Dylan Fagin and Liberal. Anti special thanks to Clay Jenkinson. Michael Colleen Tyler Berta. Jeffrey Wolradio and the Theodore Roosevelt Center at Dickinson State University to learn more about this episode and Theodore Roosevelt's check out our website at mental floss dot com slash history versus. That's mental floss dot com slash. Hris Y vs. History versus is production of iheartradio and mental floss for more podcasts from iheartradio visit the iheartradio. App Apple podcasts. 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So sit back and enjoy this gathering of previously aired masterpiece trading tips from marian me from previous. I am coach. Gen from florida and married kits miller from kim texas. And you're listening to horses in the morning on the horse radio network for may ninth episode. Twenty one seventy eight today show is brought to you by horse where good morning horse world never stop learning. Never stop entertaining findus riding for knowing for the rest of my life. I could work on this. And and i'll never stop learning. Welcome back mary. Mary's here the second thursday of every month. Hang out and geek out on all things training. How you doing girlfriend. I'm doing good doing good. All things considered all things considered now. It just occurred to me that were constantly welcoming new listeners. Into our shows here on the radio network and there might be a certain percentage of folks out there who are not familiar with mary. Kay miller could you give me a thirty second bio on mary. Kits miller only thirty seconds. Oh my goodness. I'll give you horrify. Her faked perfect. So i'm a horse trainer and clinician. And i'm based in texas and my background is a kind of a western performance background I'm probably best known for doing tons and tons of mustang makeovers And doing those led me to do really exciting things with red to the horse. Doing their wildcard competition. And i just kinda go all over doing clinics and and And i have this monthly podcast dr. That's mary kits. Miller and mary kits miller. Who's here the second thursday of every month. You recently made a little road trip to a place called bruno and before we get to the are bruno trip. That's going to be our opening salvo this morning. We're gonna have a little trading tip later on and after that chat a little bit about the importance or are thinking about when the horses actually doing the learning is he learning it right now z. Learning later he learning it when we're not looking and then as is our habit on. Mary training episode. We're going to take some questions from listeners. And one brave listener by the name. Kristen's gonna come on live and chat with us about her training issue. And of course we're going to toss in their little song and we're gonna change it up this time because barry gets to choose from three different songs all of which celebrate different parts of your trip to bruno and we're going to let you decide which part of that trip you wanna celebrate with your song. So let's get started here. Where is bruno. And why did you go there. Bruno is an idaho. It's about an hour. South of boise thereabouts. And it is in the middle of nowhere. And it's amazing I never thought of idaho was like. Oh i just really want to go to idaho. But now i want to move there every time i go out west. I'm like i must move here. You know i I love the west So i went up to bruno I have ridden a number of times with a horseman known as martin black and he is a protege of tom dorrance and ray hunt and he's an amazing horsemen And he's got a really nice ranch out and bruno and then there's a lot of public lands out there and A lot of these guys run their run the cattle out there and it's it's like stepping back in the old west. That's how it's done. It's not it's not a costume. It's not a role they're playing. That's really how it still is So i wind up there. We went up there for colt. Starting they were starting all of their colts. This year So he had a couple. Working students There one from brazil run from germany and a guy from iowa and then meet So i got invited to go up there and start. Colts and i've started colts a couple of times with martin before and he has a really amazing and unique take on it and then i came up a little bit early because The time of year when a lot of these ranches out west our branding their cattle and they tend to do it a little bit different than other states like in texas most of the time you either larger cows up into a trailer and you take him to the vet and they run shoots and they do branding and they castrate and vaccines and and all of that kind of you know. Just good stockman. Ship practices that you do with your cows to keep them healthy and keep them identified but up there. It is still the way they've been doing it for many generations. Which is you go out into the wilderness and you gather cattle And you bring them to catch pin and then we Ropes them to brand them. So one the way that There's a few different styles that people do to brand their cattle. But the way we did it was one person would would Catch the cow horns or around the not horns their calves They would wrote the head and then someone else would wrote the hills and then you gently Stretch the calf out. And there's a ground crew who comes in and lays them down. Now we give your. It was interesting that you chose the word gently. Because i think the only time people most people have ever seen a calf what you calling stretched out where there's one rope on the front end one rope on the back end. A rodeo situation can be right startling to say the least. That's not the wage done in real cattle work exactly. So you know there's team roping which is what you see in the rodeos like. Nf are and that kind of stuff and that's a timed event in a competition. So you are trying to catch that cow and stop that cow. And he'll that how as fast as you can so To do that lately different. Yeah i mean there's ropes involved. There's horses that's about where the similarities end to do it. In a practical setting meaning we need to catch this calf and doctorate and give them all the vaccines and stuff. He needs and check them over. Make sure he's okay and to brand him It would be really silly to do that as fast as you can. Because you don't want to upset your stock and worry them and it's it's one of those things were going faster will actually take longer. You want the cattle to stay calm. You don't want them running around and getting scared and running over fences and trying to jump fences Everything from sorting the cavs out that we needed to brand to getting them into the catch pin It needs to be slow in general Because even you know. I know there's a little bit of push back against cowboys and You know all. They don't care about their stock. It's completely untrue. they're very very diligent and And they do care about them and even if you made the argument like all they don't they don't really care about their cattle At the very least it's an investment. This is their livelihood so they don't want anything getting hurt or losing weight by running around and being stressed. It's all done. You know reeling related it and it takes a great deal of skill and you have to just be be so patient and just yeah exactly. Yeah very very thin like so. So that's what we did. I never been to a branding before. i was a total fish out of water. I felt like a total. You know doofus doing it but it was amazing experience. It was really so we did that before. We actually started the colts that week. And it's the closest to lonesome dove. I've ever felt so it was a multi disciplinary trip in that. You did lots of different things. You did some branding. And then the second part was colts. Yes so how long did you. How how many days did you do branding branding. We did for a couple of days Because i was kind of on the tail end of everyone doing the branding And you know. I tried to explain that. I've never done this before. I've never day worked before and real cowboy stuff in that sense But you the people up there. Because that's they live that every day They kind of assumed that. I knew more than i did. i got sent out with this. Really sweet Girl in her early twenties. Who and we got out together to make sure the catch pins. Were ready and to start bringing cattle in and She was like just go up on that hill. And go bring those cows in Okay so so she was. She was out on the four wheeler checking to see where everything was. And i i just rode this horse that i barely knew Up on this hill to bring these cows up an mike wa. Hope it i. I hope i'm doing it right. That and the other thing So i i have a slight terrifying fear of heights and in texas they're not a lot of hills near where i am in texas not a lot of up and down hills or mountains or anything of that sort So you know on the source of don't really know they're like she's got about sixty rides and i'm like okay so so green pretty green. She ended up being amazing But you know you had to go straight up these hills to get these cows. And i'm talking like when i was coming down the hill by horses but was like at the level like at like right behind my ponytail. So i'm trying not to whimper like a baby and at one point i'm pushing against my saddle horn and leaning back because i'm going down this hill and this girl looked at me she goes. Oh yeah you're a flat-lander and i'm like yeah i don't do hills And actually at one point we When we were going to look for cata one day we went down. This like snowy river steepness drop and one of the colts that the working student from germany was on This was his first ride that year. You know he got the horse got warmed up a. We knew that the horse was a little cold back. And keep the little so we warmed. The horsa made sure everything was ok to hit along trot out to this hill. Everything's going good but what had happened was the colt was like you know full of air. And when when this kid for cinched them up but once he relaxed and we're trotting out he'd let out you know. Yeah loose gert the loose problem. Yeah we're going down. This vertical drop and the saddle slips forward and the colts like now. I'm gonna buck and so this horses bucking on the side of this hill and Everything was okay. The saddle ended up coming off but everyone was fine. No was hurt. It was all good but the whole time. I'm just like. I have to get down this hill right now. I'm gonna die. This is awful So it was very western very cowboy But yeah it was a that was probably the most harrowing experience between you know if if i had to compare which was more scary to me. Starting cold sir doing that. I would say that easily interesting. Wow and you've you've started a lot of youngsters so that's an interesting take on it. Wow well there's more that happens in bruno but we're going to save that for a little bit later in the show because now it's time for our training tip and mary always comes up with something that really gets you thinking. So what are you going to challenge our gray matter with this month. Okay so this is something that i've believed for very long time about Win in training or outside of training does a horse like take in the information teaching them and process it and learn and make these new connections in their brain and I've started understanding this concept when i was first learning to train horses In that i would hear the term from a lot of people like he needs to soak let him soak on that for a little bit and by soak I'm talking about during the ride. Giving the horse of break As in okay we've just loped four circles. And and he's he's he needs to stop and think for a little bit and we would just bring the horse to stop. Give them nice loose rain. Stay out of their way. Don't bother him let him just breathe and just think for a little bit So that's a good example of what i would call. Soak time the other. Time i would say is after the ride. You you know you've cooled off the horseshoe you've hosed them off and we would Many places. I would let him stand tied for a good amount of time before we put them away. mostly to keep them from rolling in the stall after they've had a bath to let him catch their air But also just to teach them. Hey there's going to be situations where you need to stand tied for a few hours and you need to be okay with that so we started that really early league getting get Allow of what happens. Yeah yeah allowing them to build that mental stamina because to me. It's unfair if you don't ever tire horse for a period of time and then you go to a show and you want them to stand tied to the trailer all day in scaring parking lot with lots of things happening. That's a good recipe for disaster of at the very least you can cause a lotta feared stress in your horse so we would do that a lot of time when the horse was young to get them used to standing quietly And i had a guy. I asked a guy was working for like did he. Time for so long after you're done riding and he goes oh let's soak it. Lets them. i'm like really. That's that tying mix them learn about and he he he talked about specifically like let's them think about the ride and it didn't make a lot of sense to me at a at the time but the more i trained the mar- realized that was true when horses really in the information we're giving him And and improve. What they're doing is not during the maneuver it after when you get out of their way and just let them process You know an analogy. I would use is whenever i was in college and of course i never studied when i should have i crammed the night before. That's how i did it but no surprise there. I know right So i'd be you know reading and taking notes and doing this all nighter and there was always a point in my brain whereas like i can't i can't process anymore i have to stop and I always did much better no matter where i thought i was in my studying whether i felt i was prepared or not. I always felt it did much better. If i just close my book and went to bed And doing it that way instead of studying right up until the moment where i had to do the test I seem. I always felt like i retained information much better by just giving my brain that break and so. I've always believed this. I've always. I'm really really big for those of you guys. I get questions all the time my horse wants to instill. He gets nervous at the show. You still on the trail It's because there's many reasons but a lot of it is because you're not practicing it enough at home don't just you know trot or lope for an hour and the pitcher horse up do something with your horse where you are compelling them to learn so you're working on a maneuver and once you get to a good spot stop for a minute. Sit on your horse five minutes. Get your phone out on facebook. If you went to you know within reason be safe But just get out of your way and let them process. They do more learning in those standing still times than they would. If you just continued to drill on the exercise drilling is not what makes them learn it. Stats soak time so I always believed it. And then i really got more insight into this In bruno because we were very lucky to have a doctor. Stephen peters up Who some of you may know. Have he's collaborated with martin on a book called evidence based horsemanship. That's terrific book. Because you've got the anecdotal evidence from martin who started thousands and thousands of horses. And then you've got a someone who's a neuroscientist Who can actually say here. Is your the chemical reactions that are happening in the horses brain that we can actually look at improve. This is what's happening this is what their thought processes. So one of the things that martin brought up that really kind of made me go Was he was talking about working cattle with a horse. And you get the horse to do something with the cow and then give the horse little break and let them think about it and usually what happens after the horses been in a high stress situation. You're working a cow or you're doing some sort of high-power maneuver as soon as you kinda. Let them stop and break. They will do this licking and chewing Which we've always been told you know you want them to in chew as a sign of relaxation in. It's just a sign that they're kind of getting all those good chemicals going in their brain and they're letting down and i've seen that hundreds and hundreds of times training horses but he said what he learned to do instead of giving the horse a little break and then going back and drilling on the couch again he would sit there longer and the lincoln shoe once and then he'd stop for a moment and a few moments later he'd look shoe again and then he stopped for a moment and then a few moments later he'd look in to again and actually tried this on one of the horses. I was training on up there. One day in my normal instinct would be to give them a little break and then go right back into it because we need to practice this more. But i saw the exact same thing that martin had spoken about. I was working with softness in the hackamore with this philly. And i got her to a really nice place and i said okay. Let's just stop and so same. Exact thing happened. She looked in shooed. And the moment where i would normally pick up the reins and go again. She instead lifted. I waited and she looked in shoot again and then she did for over like five minutes. She just sat there looking chewing and that to me is a is a good sign that the horses really taking in what. You're teaching him so my tip would be based on all that information would be Take war breaks when you ride this usually this licking and chewing phenomenon. This sort of leading. Dan relaxed processing. Information usually occurs after a period of stress. And when i say stress. I don't mean like you're terrifying the horse or forcing them to do anything. It's just the stress of training where you know. It's like studying for a test. That's a stress situation or working high-powered job. That's a stress situation. So it doesn't. I'm not meaning bad when i say stress. But you know once you've done something with your horse whether you're trotting over cavalier. Are you working on a certain maneuver. You're doing obstacles Give them that break and let them think about it. You're gonna do two things you're allowing them to learn and process information which is going to be way more effective than if you had simply drilled the maneuver ten times work on at once or twice get took it spot. Let them rest. The other thing you're going to do is you're gonna build that patients in that desire in the horse. My horse is when. I put the rains down and say have a break. They're like oh my god they love standing still and just taking that in. I work on that a ton at home. So that. When i'm at a show and i have to sit and wait you know i'm getting ready to go in the class and i've got to wait a few minutes. The horse doesn't lose his mind and get really you know anxious because he's not used to standing still they know when i put my hand down your neck can give you that loose rain Okay this is my time. I get to just chill out. A really helps them to appreciate that time. There we go so take breaks. That are a little bit longer this because we're all when you go out and you and you practice with your your your training today versus just hacking around. We kind of get into that zone. Where okay we're gonna take a break and maybe walk around on a loose rain and what seems like forever was in fact three minutes exactly now question for you. Training my horse. Do you feel like being still in other words at a halt is going to be more effective than leading the horse. Walk or intentionally telling the horse to walk. Is there going to be a difference to think in there how much they're going to process and how thoroughly they're going to process because in the western culture standing a horse and being still you have come to a halt. Give him the reins and you don't move at all is a common training ingredient whereas in the english culture. Not so much. I'm not gonna say one's better than the other but they are very different. You don't often see that happen in any english disciplined. So what's your take on the fact that the horses being still do you feel like that is going to give them a better opportunity to get. That gray matter really absorb the lesson. So i don't have any like scientific proof on hand. That one is better than the other but my instinct is to go more towards standing still because horses They're taking in so much At a time they oftentimes lack the ability to block out the stimuli around them like we can because they're on hyler all the time. That's why i i. I don't believe on leaving leaving. Like radio's on all night in a barn. I don't think a horse is physically able to stop hearing not noise over and over the can't block it out like we could So i think walking They're still kind of like press. You know they're still kind of looking around and on a little bit of an alert You know mode. However i don't see not to say that i never walk them around on a loose rain There's a lot of There's a lot of reasons that i would one being if your horse is breathing hard. It's like a really hot day and he needs to cool down. Walking is going to be very good for him. So i do a lot of loose rain walking. It's also something you want to practice especially people that right dressage. You're gonna do that free. Walk across the diagonal where you're giving him that rain and letting them stretch out so it's good thing to practice for sure as far as which one would you know between walking halting which is going to allow more information to seep into the brain again. I have no proof. But i i like to just stop everything My only disclaimer. My only caveat about this is a colt with very few rides. I will at that colt. Stop and think. But i'm always going to be doing a little something because On a brand new baby cole. Just a few rides you know under ten twenty rides If you stop and and don't do anything on that colt they can kinda say they forget. You're up there but They can get in a little bit of trouble. So i so walking on a coat like that would be really good or i'll let them have a break. But i might just kinda lightly flex similar or at the very least like move back and forth in the saddle just to let them know. I'm still here. it's still okay. You're fine otherwise with coat like that. Sometimes they they sort of forget about you a little bit and then when you ask him to walk again they're like. Oh you know they get really surprised so on a very very green horse. I prefer walking or doing something just complete standstill and talking. I kinda get it. I can see where having ridden a few and started a few horses that if you just stop and do nothing at all. They might go. Oh shoot that's what we're doing isn't it. Yeah that would make sense interesting. And that is very interesting now. Nigel who i is is my horse for unfamiliar listeners. I have found appreciate and finds rewarding the stand still and he takes it and things in a processes and he considers that like yeah. I did something right. I to take a break in stand perfectly still which is a little bit unusual for your typical off the track thoroughbred you see more of them would just as soon move around. So that's interesting. And i'll have to try it. Sometime was scooter. Because you never know where scooter is going to be. Scooters are hackney pony and sometimes he needs to be he thinks stills goal and sometimes he thinks move around cool. So i'm going to try. That might take scooter out. And you know this is something new to you and new to your horse What can often happen. I get this a lot. Not so much with my colts but with training horses that i'm restarting or putting more rides on Is they don't have this habit built in already and they might have a lot of anxiety. So let's say you do something great with your horse. And you're going to try this liquid standstill on a loose rain and they can only stand for ten twenty seconds and then they gotta move again When that happens they're not in trouble. I've will not punish them for moving because usually they're moving because of anxiety they don't know what to do So if i get after them they're just gonna feel more anxious and really not in a standstill Yeah there won't be any absorbing that way. Yes so if i drop the reins and give that to them like a harem. Line you to stand. And they don't want to they just can't Then okay breaks over. Let's work again and not not in a sense of of you. Don't appreciate this break. I'm gonna make not that. I gotta change your yeah. Don't have that mindset. It's you know if they if they just can't do it if you know And i'll say okay. Well yeah it's more of a case as you can't you don't want to okay. That's fine let's go do some work. Yeah it's it's like an opportunity. Oh you've got you still got energy in your feet okay. Well i did work on side passing. Or i did want to work on trotting around a little bit and then i'll offer to him again and if it's a horse i've had horses that have a very severe problem not being able to stand So if i know that that horse can stand for twenty seconds Then i'll offer him that break and i will bring him out of it myself at ten seconds and say great. You made it ten seconds. That's great you know. Start with a goal you can achieve. And then later when i offer it to him again. I'll say okay. Well can we try for like fifteen seconds this time. You find a starting point and build from there and the horse you know even the most high-powered track straight. You know straight off the race track horse can eventually over time. Learn to take what you're giving them and say okay. I'm gonna stand now and if you make it a good experience. And i see this time and time with clicker training. We're actually reward them with food. Like wow you stood still for five whole seconds. Those horses even the hottest anxious horses over time with practice can go. Oh my gosh. I could stand here for an hour and it's it's something how many times i've said this before. Many times like half our horses. Life is us needing them to stand still standing tied to the trailer standing for the vet or ferrier Waiting for class to go like. I don't have time to go ride him around. Because i'm i'm in the whole way. Don't to go in. He needs to stand for a few minutes before we go in. Or you've done your on the rail class. The judges called you for the placing. You've gotta stand. I've seen people get flipped over with in a lineup. Because a horse could not stand for that long. They couldn't handle it. She caught a practice is at home. So it's a good thing to help them learn and it's a good practical thing. Think of all if you think about it with your own horse. Think about all the times where you need that horse to stand still. It's worth practicing. It's every bit as valuable as working on your lead changes or your jumps or your obstacles. It's it's a really important part of horsemanship. I can't agree anymore. And part of horsemanship is taking good care of your horse and making sure. His body is protected from biting insects. It's that time of year. So i think you had a little bit of something to say about something. That horse where makes for protecting our horses from bugs yes. It's definitely that time of year. Flies are here and you want to offer your horses the maximum in protection with the rambo protector. And i think this is the the sheet that i have for guthrie. It's definitely a rambo sheet which it's it's already starting. He's starting to get the world. So i need to go home and get on that right now. And the rambo. Protector is specifically designed to offer superior protection from both flies and sunlight. 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For many seasons visit horse wear dot com for more details. And find a retailer near you there. We go well. We're ringing up. Chris in kovac bentley. And why don't you kind of intro. What her question is all about mary. So kristen has a very a western themed question. Because she's talking about the turnaround so some of you guys might not know what is meant by the term turnaround It's got a few different names and raining. We might call it a turnaround or a spin. it could be called a turn on the haunches dressage terms. So basically what this maneuver is is the horse. You want them to plant Their weight on their hind in preferably planting an inside hind foot and they're going to pivot their shoulders around. So they're going to spin around that inside hind foot so It can be a really fast spin like you see in the reigning where the horse spins around really fast for For a four cycles in the reigning pin a but it can also be really slow and easy going maneuver. And whether you're writing westerner english its something worthwhile to teach your horse because it's it's just Helps you get better body. Control all around him. Better maneuverability with your horse. Well welcome to the show. Kristen are you ready. Yes how's it going. It's going good so you have a question I is this a thoroughbred training attorney around with you're making a range cow horst debut this year so i son that's going to be so cool. Okay so what's your question with the turnaround toe Describing this my husband last night. He's like. I just has a really good compass so i feel like he's understanding. You know the pieces. That are going into the turnaround. This i used to be super heard sour So we did a lot of work last year to get him over that for the most part And i feel like the heard sourness now manifesting itself in our turnaround. Practice which is super. You're gaining so he'll get if we start. Let's say we start facing home. He'll get a good three sixty and then when he gets back. The twelve o'clock on the clock or northridge facing home that he's done. And if i start with ninety degrees to go then it gets a good ninety and that gets to facing khomeini's done and it doesn't matter which direction we go in But once he's facing home. Like i did it for good at the end of the turnaround and it's a little bit of a fight to get him to keep going so so the right you'll just back up and then to the left. He actually will swing but through my leg and it turns into a turn on the forehand though head going up but is now going right. So so what i've been trying to do is just when we get to that point right. Feel him starts to quit. I've been trying to just keep driving forward so he's getting that forward motion front feet are moving put. So that's about. As far as i've gotten so far but so that is actually incredibly common in fact so common that i believe every horse i've ever trained to turn around on has gone through this So you know horses no matter how much we work on the barn sarah the gates our. They're always going to be magnetized toward a certain point in your arena or your pasture when you're riding him out You'll never get out of them because no matter how much you can make them try and feel bad for going to the barn at the end of the night. Where do they go. They're going to go to the barn. They're gonna eat their food. They're going to be with their friends so they're always going to have that tendency to want to lean toward you know home and you'll see this You like you said manifest itself In the turnaround because so so in case anyone didn't quite get that you'll have the horse turning really good and pivoting that hind foot just like you want. And then when they're leaning toward the barn they either wanna walk forward out of it the kind of bulge their shoulder out of it. They won't listen to your cues or They will plant their front and in turn the hind in around. So or they'll start spinning. I call it spinning like a coke bottle where they're spinning around their center so both they're hainan and they're back in our moving And this used to frustrate the heck out of me. Training rainy horses So so it's very common. I think every horse goes through it at some point I'll start by saying what not to do. And i know you are not doing this at all. But i've seen in severe reactions a severe version of Of what not to do and it can cause huge problems later on. I for a trainer who was very very and his colt. Started doing this exact same thing. He's turning on his hind end but then when he would you know might get one good turn but every time. He was kind of facing that gate where he wanted to leave. It would all fall apart and so this guy did was Get after the horse like no. That's not what you're supposed to do so he would use harder keys would use more outside. Spur or work on the horse's face make him feel bad for leaning toward that gate. And what started as a very you know minor yet. You're taking problem in this particular horses very sensitive horse and it was a young horse. The horse started going from just bulging that shoulder out or not doing the around properly to actually jumping forward out of the term And when he started doing that this guy got even harder with the horse like getting after him and making him feel bad and instead of the problem getting better then what started happening was the horse started. Bolting out of the turnaround and this got worse and worse until the course was actually running toward the gate and slamming into the gate to get away from this guy so you know you would think that making the horse feel bad for doing the wrong thing would deter him from doing it and then he would try and do the right thing but what was happening with. This colts was He would get punished than he'd be in fear of punishment so he'd want to escape and where does he want escape. He wants to go home. That's where he feels safe so it would. Just it turned into this vicious cycle. What started as a very minor. Problem ended up being a very very severe problem. That was almost unfixable So like i said. I know that is not what you're doing but it kind of helps highlight. I think about that situation. When i have issues like this realizing that punishment is not always the right answer Or even making the wrong thing. Difficult is not always the correct answer. So when i when. I do this and i have a horse. That starts this problem. I going to try and focus on winner. You doing it correctly. When can i reward you for doing it correctly. So if you can get three quarters of a turn without the horse screwing up. Release them for three quarters of a turn. Even though you know when you're doing rain cow. Horse i think you guys have to two and a half spins In the reigning. You do four spins you need that horse spinning many times in that maneuver but it takes me. I'd say it takes me a year to build a turnaround You know you won't have it next month obviously So what. I will try and focus on instead is. I'm gonna wait for the moment where his shoulders really good. He's swinging though shoulders around freely. He's not leaning into my cues and he's he gets me gives me a few good steps and that in the beginning will it'll just be one or two good steps as soon as that happens. I walk the horse out of the turn in the direction we were facing. And i'll this is So jen this is where walking on a loose rain probably would be something. I would do over standing still so as soon as i get those few steps. Iq him out of the turn. And i'm very deliberate with my cue. I'm like now we're done. So he's both legs pushing forward out of that. Turn and let them walk for a little bit. When i walk out of the turn and this is going to really help you with your turnaround especially as it gets better and better. Don't walk in the opposite direction. You were turning. So what i mean by that if you're if you're let's say you're doing your turnaround and the horse gives you two or three really good steps and you're like that's good. I'm going to release you from this maneuver because you've done it. Well you've done. What i asked and i walked them forward. If i was turning to the right the worst thing i could do would be to walk the horse out into the left because i want this horse racing turn right turn right turn right turn right so when i walk out of it When my horse does well. I wanna to walk him straight out of that maneuver. I will either walk him forward. Or i'll walk forward into into the right into a right circle because i want them thinking. Turn right turn right. Turn right so when i work on turnarounds I may do one direction. -oday but at the very least i will if i'm working on the so. What stick with the right turnaround. I will work on that right. Turn around Until it set a good spot. Before i turn left so what i mean by that is i'm not gonna turn around to the right and then turn around the left and then turn around to the right and then turn around to the left. I want them thinking doing the right turnaround. So we're going right right right right right and i'll give him a little break and say ok. Left turnaround now dropped my microphone Left left left left left. So i hope that makes sense. So that's one really good and you probably doing that already. So even though. I need my horse to give me several three sixties in a row I'm going to release him Even if he gives me a few good steps if he leans toward the barn. I'm not going to exaggerate. My cues any more. I'm not going to Get after him harder because what can happen. Let's say your horses swinging around to the gate and you know he's gonna fall apart now so the instinct would be to use that outside leg even harder to use a little bit more spur maybe even tap him with crop on that shoulder I find that is not. I used to do that quite a bit. i find. that's not incredibly effective because it'll make their focus. It'll draw their focus more to the outside of their body where you're queuing them harder than it. Will to foot staying in that turnaround staying in that nice turnaround and sometimes they'll get a little resentful. If you overdo your keys in your bothering to the them to death with outside leg they will do the opposite of what you think they ought to do and actually lean into it harder so he exactly. Yeah so yes So even though. I know like you've done this enough that you know as soon as you get facing that gate or you're facing home thought horses going to lean out. He's going to bolger that shoulder. he's gonna you know. plant that shoulder completely in. Turn on his haunches. I just keep asking with my cues. And i'm going to use the opportunity. That's coming up to release him so when we go around to the gate he's gonna bowl. Joe it's gonna fall apart. I'm just gonna keep him in that. Turn and say nope not yet. Not yet not yet. What's going to happen when he's facing the opposite of the gate. You're going to use the barn sour to your advantage all the sudden. He's gonna plan on his on his hind in and that shoulders going to free up because he wants he's like facing the opposite way so he's gonna wanna turn to face the way he wants to face as soon as you feel that shoulder. Free up release. So i might go around any many circles where he turns good for half a circle then falls out of it. Turns good for half a circle falls out of it. That's okay as soon as i feel him correct himself. I'm going to release him out of that. And this I it's it's a very slow steady improvement. It's not gonna happen overnight but pretty soon he's gonna realize when i'm going around and trying to take her to the gate i you know i. I don't find the release. I thought i was gonna get. But when i lift my shoulder up and get off of the qs all the sudden i get that release and over time. It will improve So i would say the other thing i would say is It's very easy to tackle this maneuver by looking at the finished product. I and trying to make your horse do that on day. One so the finished. You know thing that you want to have happen. As the horse plants its hind in and pries that shoulder up and moves the shoulder around the hind in. And you know as light and e- even has some speed to it but you get that in the beginning So i don't even focus on. Oh are they planning the inside foot or is there hiding even staying still instead. I focused on free as your shoulder so often times when i do this exercise for many months instead of trying to get them to actually plant and pivot what i will do instead. this is probably how i would tackle this with your horse is. If you're going to the right walk a small circle you can walk or trot. If your horses a little pokey you can do the set of trot as well to get their feet A little bit more peppy. Trotz a small circle to the right so maybe slightly bigger than a ten meter circle So i got them in a circle. Get them make sure they're going forward whether at a walk or trot they're going forward they're soft and the bridal and then i will initiate my cues for the turnaround saw. Start drawing that horse down. I won't just make them stop and start pivoting. I'll make that circle smaller smaller smaller. And pretty soon the circle's gonna get so small that they have to give it As soon as i can kind of feel them rock back a little bit and that shoulder is doing a little bit more work than the hind in. they don't have to pivot perfectly just as long as you can. All of a sudden you feel that shoulder starting to come around more than the hind. In then i go back to my circle. I let them out of that. Turn and go back into my ten meter circle. And i'll do a couple more circles in than spiral down down down down down until they pick up that shoulder and swing it through as soon as i feel that i'll put them back on that circle it is. I'd say i will be on one for many many months before. I say before that turn around starts to look like it's going to look in the show pin meaning. I'm going to stop you We're going to start at a standstill. We're gonna go right into that spin and then we're going to stop again if you start trying to do it that way. That's where you're gonna run in your problems of your backing out of the turn like you're having in the one direction instead of going forward Or the horse planting the wrong in and pivoting behind in around the front end Instead work on do. A nice forward circles spiraled down. Get a couple of steps where you can feel that shoulder crossing over and then release them back into that circle I would do that over and over again until as soon as you start. Shading that turnaround that shoulder comes through nice and clear and clean. And that's when i'll start thinking about getting more steps in that pivot And having it start to look more like an the finished product. The finish turnaround out. That makes sense. Does fall questions about trout circles. We have time yeah. Okay 'cause i've been talking to a couple of friends about trump circles and one You know for years. We've all been just circle and doing the trat circle and the tendency you know is that we just sort of at a pulling them around or hand than doesn't really actually. You're not doing it correctly. It doesn't help turn around all so this friend of mine To bend a horse in and push the hip in first and get that hip kind of engaged in underneath them before you start for really spiral down which makes sense in theory. I guess what i'm worried about. Is i'm just going to end up pushing the hip around the front end if i think to engaging that hip in to get the hip underneath so so you want the hip like very slightly to the inside of your circle not a haunches in but kind of in that so that is something that i do. Practice a lot of but in my opinion. That is a very I i don't say it's an advanced maneuver but it's sort of like i've I don't really do pilates it. But if you made me do like a plank and and hold it for two minutes right now like as out of condition as i am for that kind of thing it would kill me. I i think it takes a great deal of effort for horse to do and I think it's possible. But i wouldn't drill on it too much at this point What i would do instead That's that sort of along those lines instead of feeling like you're pulling the horse around in the circle is i will set a framework with my hands That will guide him in this circle. Instead of pulling them through the circle i will drive them into my hands from behind Now that will actually naturally make the hip engage and a little bit more without actually putting your outside like back and pushing that hip in makes sense. Yeah no that makes a lot more sense. What oh yeah. And and it's the same with the turnaround. You don't wanna pull them into that. Turn it to me it's kind of a push maneuver You're driving them. It's very ford maneuver. Ended up pulling on him too much. You'll have the problems of them stepping behind backing into that turnaround which will give major penalties in the show pin so Yeah i wouldn't worry about pushing the haunches in so much Infact if i have a horse that has a real difficult time with the turnaround you would be surprised. How doing the opposite can actually straighten up up right away So i had a horse. That i was having a very similar problem with the turnaround. He was just kind of leaning into my cues. I couldn't make them go past a certain speed and we were starting to fight each other about it. And i knew. I didn't want to get into a fight over it and make it a dreadful maneuver for him and i went and rode with this With craig johnson. Who's amazing world champion. Us equestrian games champion reigning trainer. And he said well can you. Disengage his hindquarters. How is he with that. And i'm thinking okay. Yeah that's baby stuff. He does that great. I did that. I ride and be. How would kicking his hip away Disengaging his hip make him turn better. That's gonna make them do the opposite of what i want him to do But i- humored him. And i went to disengage his hindquarters and lo and behold. He wasn't that good at it anymore. Because i hadn't practised it since he was a baby and his hips. Were really really stuck. He could not get him to move his hip away from my legs and so instead of working on the turnaround creek. Had me fix that. Where i would I would disengage his hindquarters get him off of my leg and working on that and then he had me do a maneuver where i would. Disengage the horse's hip. So if i'm wanting to do a right turn around. I would push his hip to the left and get him stepping that hip around the front end and get that nice and loose. Once that hip was loose. Then i changed my cues asked him to do a turn around to the right and will like lo and behold all the sudden. We had our turnaround. So i kind of i call it kicking the hip out of the way. Sometimes what the problem is. The horse is actually engaging their hindquarters to the inside too much and it's not allowing their shoulder to swing through properly and it's it's kinda hard to explain you kind of have to try. I would. I would even try this with the horses. It's never harmful to disengage the hip we tend to think. But that's not what the maneuver is in. If i practice this too much. He's going to get really good at that and not good at the turn around But you'd be surprised how getting hit loosened up and getting it kind of out of the way and off of your cues can actually make the turnaround better so to do this. I would maybe walk forward in a circle to the right. Disengage the hip to the left. And then go into that right hand. Turn around just for a couple of steps and that might be something. I've done that a couple of times. It sounds completely counter intuitive but for some reason it can really free up that shoulder. Yeah i feel like that. Especially to the right. The way that he he gets in his own way with the shoulder a lot. On route mike. Okay return run pretty good on the ground and it just doesn't seem transit under saddle but that makes a lot of sense that attracts all the things. I'll try everything you know i awesome. Well thank you kristen. I have stuff to work on it home. Yeah well thank you mary. them plenty of homework makes good lack. Thank you everyone. Wease questions have a lot on our plate in addition to careers and often kids. There's the myriad of details of managing your horses life feeding schedule vet records and of course what closed to put on them. Well guess what. There's an app for that. And it's called horse powell. 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Every month we do a little trip and every month there is something that happens in your life that kind of inspires the trading tips so take us back hop in the way back machine and tell us how you got onto this topic so there were actually two instances that inspired this topic. One was actually a facebook post from warwick schiller been on the show really fantastic trainer On the same subject and he was working in demo- someone's horse who was who liked to play fidget with the lead rope and he was explaining you know. The owner was very nervous about the source having this habit and she tried a lot of different things in the horse still wanted to play with the leader up in his answer was just to wait and she's like well. I tried that and he said well. She didn't wait as long as i waited. And he's in a demo- in front of a bunch of people. Who are you know. I'm sure paying to be there and watch him perform and he's standing there letting the source chore melito and. He said he waited and waited and waited and waited and finally the horse. Just kind of let down relax in the whole theme of that post was patients and i've experienced this myself a great deal when working with horse owners For instance the other day. I have a horse in training a really lovely horse. He's a mustang makeover graduate But he's got a lot of nervous issues Like with trailer loading and spooky nece and he just gets really tense and one of his biggest issues the catalyst that brought him to my door was he was gonna make. His owner was going to go to their property in new mexico and she has a new trailer. It's an amazing roomy trailer. But it's a straight luke compared to the horses usually used to a slant lobe so now the horse doesn't wanna get in the trailer and when he does he's a nervous wreck and she says i don't want to haul him all the way to new mexico in this state She brought him to me to tackle these issues nerves. So i've had a few weeks and i hadn't trailer loaded him yet. I was working on some other basic things and getting them to relax and she came out and brought her trailer and we're we're loading him and It took me. I just i just spent. I don't know a couple of hours with him and we didn't actually get him on the trailer and for me. That wasn't the goal. I just wanna see you know where we're at and what are the things that are triggering not wanna go on The horse we didn't have to take him anywhere so there was no reason he wasn't ready to you. Know throw them in the trailer and slammed the door shut some just working on it working on it working on it with him and taking our time doing lot approaching retrea and i could tell the owners getting very nervous. She's like i'm so sorry you're out you're having to do this for this long and do you think it's because of this and do you think it's because this heat see he always does this and i'm i'm thinking no this is. This is training if it takes a couple of hours or if we work on it for a little while and we don't get it done today. No big deal and where. I have the benefit of Hard earned patients Is because i have spent many many hours over many many years loading tons of strange horses and sometimes it's gone really well and sometimes it's been really frustrating and it's taken hours hours and hours but I've always succeeded eventually. Am i have to change. What i'm doing. I might have to give the horse of break. I might have to take a breather. But i've always gotten it done so now when you hemu horse it won't get in the trailer i i'll just wait him out Because i know eventually this will happen and whatever. The horse has to go through to to feel comfortable enough to step in the trailer. I'm gonna wait with them. And i think a lot of horse owners Aren't i don't have that kind of stamina aren't able to do that is because they haven't had the benefit that i've had of working with lots and lots of different strange horses. Maybe the horse. That won't get in the trailer. This is the first time they've ever dealt with it and because they haven't tackled this issue many many times and succeeded many many times. It's very easy to think. I'm not doing something right or my horses. Doing something wrong are just getting nervous. That it's taking longer than i thought it should take. And what. i'm hoping i'm able to share with. People is just wade out. It's no big deal. Obviously practice these kinds of things when you don't have a deadline when you don't have to get you know down the road and to the vet or to your front. Meet your friends on a trail right but you know work on this when you have all the time in the world. It's old saying act like you have all the time in a world it'll take five minutes act like you have fifteen minutes five minutes gonna take all the time in the world and Just because you're horse isn't doing the right thing it doesn't mean you're doing the wrong thing Sometimes that's just the time it's to take today and it doesn't mean you're horses bad it doesn't mean you're doing the wrong thing is just. This is what we're dealing with and it's going to be very difficult for you to determine whether you're doing the wrong thing if you don't give it ample time to work now. There have been many times where i've worked on something for hours then finally said no. This isn't the way to go. And i had to switch but i give it tons of time to to try and work so Whatever wherever your threshold is for when you start getting nervous like oh my gosh. This isn't gonna work. You learn to stretch that out and waited out. Don't get offended by your horse. Don't let it upset you. it doesn't again it. You know me a professional horse trainer. Sometimes i'm still out by the trailer for hours. Getting a horse in. It doesn't mean i'm on the wrong path. it's just what we're dealing with that day in and learn that it's not something horses trying to do too upset you. It's not even necessarily that. You're doing something wrong. it's just we gotta wait it out and see it through tell me summarizes what are some things that we should be looking for in the human the technique and the horse that would tell us that progress is is lacking because of something we are doing or not versus progress is lacking because the horse just needs time because sometimes getting something done for example loading the horse trailer takes three hours. Because you did things wrong right. Yeah what garda's techniques were using. What are some things that we as humans could be doing to cause that to take longer than it should from the point of view. That's a big question. But maybe some of the legs i would say. The two biggest red flags One the worst completely shuts down so he is not moving. he is not trying at all He's just letting you put whatever pressure you want on them and he's out of town so we go out to lunch. I'm putting pressure on for example. I want him to walk and walk toward the trader with me beside him or behind him versus in front of him. So i try to lead him for with my left hand sweeping towards the trailer. My right hand has a flag and flag is moving behind him and he just stands there and ignores me. That's a horse shut down. If you've been putting pressure pressure pressure you've been asking him for a while and there's no discernible. Change in his demeanor or body position that means something has to change now. Sometimes that means add more pressure at enough pressure that will compel him to do something anything. Sometimes and i find this case to be Especially true with mules is sometimes that means we need to take a break and we need to come back when we're both a little fresh because some types of horses and for sure the long near the long eared When they those sort of close up shop and you could set them on fire and they're gonna go nap as here and bird. I'm not moving so so in any case when horses just completely shut down there out to lunch you not seeing any try whatsoever. Sometimes you have to be more compelling with your pressure or you might need to back off or you might need to learn to release sooner so changed the timing of your release so the and he again with a trailer. We always come back to trailer loading because you see so much behavior happen at the trailer if you can conquer trailer loading. There's there's not a lot you're not going to be able to do So sometimes when we we're loading in the trailer we think all four feet on the trailer door closed behind him. And that's what the goal is but some horses. That's going to be way too much Some horses even taking a step forward is too much. So i might learn release sooner if my horses stopped trying. I be putting a little pressure. And if i see them. Lean forward okay. I'll take that. I can't get you to take a step but i got that i will release that and you can slowly bring their try back out. I would say another red flag. That sort of the opposite is the horse is completely overwhelmed with pressure and they are doing things that are borderline downright dangerous. Like pulling the rope out of your hand Running away running backwards wearing up So if you're getting huge reactions like that where oh my gosh. I'm not even going to be able to hold onto this horse. That means you need to change what you do. And you need to back off Less pressure maybe work on just getting him near the trailer and taking that win instead of trying to get him all the way in the trailer So i'd say those are the two biggest things is either you getting huge enormous dangerous terrifying reactions or your horses just closed up shop. And he's gone and you've got to figure out a way to bring out his try again two things that i would say need to trigger some sort of change in what you're doing or how you're doing it ha- so common scenario trigger loading see it all the time. Give me an instance of perhaps something that we're doing under saddle where the human being in the equation. Ten to lose. Patience is something that were that you you see a lot because you see a lot of clients you do a lot of demos you do a lot of clinics something that you commonly see that writers work under saddle like you just need to be patient. Yes i wasn't there on the spot here. We didn't talk about this one. I would say One of the biggest things i see is the worst not standing still for the rider to get on. I was had an arena. Writing one day and another trainer had come in to work on some of their horses. I think we getting a lot of rain. And so people were hauling to endorse to ride and this horse took a couple of steps shoes trying to get on. And she immediately took the rain and jerked the horse With the bit in the mouth backwards one hundred steps floating his teeth the entire time so to me that use that kind of stuff did use to annoy me like i need you to stand still. Why are you moving. We've got to get to work but you've got to think of it as okay wire you moving. Are you nervous. Are you upset. Have you not been taught properly to stand still And having a big emotional reaction on my into that most of the time of a worse wants to instill it comes from anxiety so ripping them in the mouth and punishing them making them feel. Frenzied is the exact opposite of what you wanna do. That horse is really not going to stand still for you now. So and i've talked about this before. That's you know that might be a day where we work on up to the mounting block over and over and over and over again and that might be all we get done that day and again when you really wanted to work on flying lead changes that can be really frustrating but to me that's just signaling where the horses mind. Is that day. If i can't get them to stand still for me to mount i'm not gonna have good flying lead changes. It's not going to happen if i can't get the basics i'm not gonna have the. They advanced stuff. So i'd say that one's a big issue that tends to tries people's patients there. You go so. And that's very interesting. Something that i experienced a lot. Because spent a lot of time. Teaching writers is the writer becomes impatient with something for example teaching the hall or the stop with without putting a whole lot of thought into okay. I'm trying to teach the horse to halt off of my seat or my voice aid. The horse is trying a little bit but they feel like they're stuck okay. He tries a little bit but he's not getting any better. I've trying and i'm trying and he's just. It's the same a response to do a little self examination and a lot of times. And i found this to be the most common problem. Teaching the writers is the horse has made the connection but the horses getting better at the response because the writer is in his way. And you're making a better response harder to do. For example i say ho he should come to a halt quite promptly but when he tries to halt promptly you slam onto his back or something. Something is happening with the ryder physically. That is actually making it harder for the horse to give you the right response. You ask for the flying change but when you do you accidentally put too much pressure on the inside rein. And he's going. What was that all about. So i'm not gonna charge so the patients to give yourself time to learn the skill. I think is one of the ingredients that can be really useful to give the horse time to for him to learn the skill but give yourself time to learn the skill to especially if you're one of ninety percent of human beings with horses that you're learning it together. Well thank you again mary. For something by the second thursday of the month to talk about training and geek out on horsemanship for folks who want to appropriately stock you contact you to do a clinic or demo et cetera. Where can they find you. You can find me best places on facebook under mary. Kits miller horsemanship there. You go and we'll we'll see you again next month. All right sounds great are bad.

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Virgil ortiz will be taken on antonia roscoe whose only lone defeat comes at the hands of unified one hundred and forty forty pound champion jose ramirez rosco moving up in this fight. This is the second fight at welterweight and it'll be virgil sees a second confided wall tweet and that card is jam packed with golden boy prospects the return of joshua franko hector tanner atta outta. You know black magic. Terrell maison is back on this card and many many others then on e._s._p._n. Plus where we should have had a main event that isn't taking place due to a lamp falling rolling on carl frampton fan in the lobby in philadelphia so he had to pull out. I'm sure any hardcore fan. Listen consider shows seeing the pictures on social media. He's got it but he's out jason. So saas ten round the becomes the main event versus. This is my dell roads. I believe and we know lie del not world-beater definitely going to give some rounds if joseph's osaka stop that would be impressive and this is an opportunity to kind of steal some shine right now you know he wasn't meant to be the main event. He's from that philadelphia via cherry hill new jersey area. You know he should get a lot of support. There's gonna be some good supporting fighters on this particular e._s._p._n. Plus top rank jason sosa versus haskell del road's main event someone. You should be definitely keeping an eye out for i. I desperately wanted to be there today. Just the time of the press conference was horrible for me to get out to philly which was two hours away but robie ramirez has is on this card. He is the young man that defeated chicago stevens in the olympics. He signs the top ranks. He's training and saint petersburg florida in the gym of keep one time thurman and he's making his debut saturday right here on e._s._p._n. In philadelphia four around fight vs addin gonzales so definitely want to be looking out for just see his pro style how you know i've been told by him that he doesn't spar with headgear his opponent. Where's the headgear not him and he he he made it very clear to me that he's gonna prove that the columbia excuse me the cuban stigma doesn't apply to him. He is a an aggressive cuban from what i got to see and from what he tells me so i am going to be all is for sure. Speaking all is all is we'll be on sunny console konso back right there in philadelphia as a supporting bout with jason sosa definitely gonna continue to sell those tickets. This is sonny con does four fight he's three with three cao's and he's fought once on las vegas on inde- tyson fury undercard and twice in philadelphia the twenty three hundred arena where i believe this fight is taking place twenty two hundred arena so he'll be back the whole the arena was team console before i wouldn't put a pass it being that way again and i'm i'm just happy that we have all these streaming services and were able to get the development of these up and coming heavyweights you know if he continues this route. We'll probably see him in a main event in philly in that same arena versus the joey dwell co type hype but he'll be taken on key general real in a four round heavyweight fight <hes> and you i liked that this is already his four fight and they're keeping them at four four-round as we can easily seen him be jumped up to sixes the going slow with him. He's young no need to rush no huge olympic background but definitely has some awesome nationals under his belt so topping number three would be our marito sulu interview and we're hoping open that all that goes well. I got confirmation from him early this morning and everything was good and i just sent them another one just checking <hes> we'll be able to get him on at five. He is travelling. I'm also doing a back up with robert. Garcia trainer of virgil ortiz was also flying fine. <hes> we were scheduled to have ortiz not really schedule because i didn't let you guys know but you know we were going to have virgil ortiz but he you know he hit me up and he's like you know he's cutting. Wages doesn't feel like right now and it's all good you know today's thursday. Tomorrow is the way in it's a difficult day in. It's always been that way on prediction day. You know maybe prediction day needs to be moved monday to give a give the fighters a week right and let the video and the prediction is so bill but that that being said topic number four eight bonus says he is the best one hundred and forty pounds and calls out jose ramirez the unified champion w._b. O. n. double bob and w._b._z. and he says reaches program is garbage and that's why i titled the show you know roscoe class repack pactel's w._n._b._a. Title because he's fighting for a w._b. Gold we'll get into all the details of that. Ortiz in roscoe will class for a title in the w._p._a. And and then i put bronner lion again 'cause out program ramirez and we all know he ain't fighting dude bro definitely he if you don't believe that he's lying about not fighting so you know he lied about regis program being garbage at lease but we got a whole bunch of news and notes so yeah. Let me get out to my co host but you know the number to call in one four five five six nine fifty to forty one press one once on voice japan right here on the voice of the people hotline. Don't forget you could add nestor gibbs on skype to be part of the conversation the station. Let's go action <music> dot com. They wouldn't comeback dot com yoyo. Welcome back. Welcome back everybody out there and the universe beck with another one a lot a lot a lot a lot of boxing talk about today. So i won't bore you went alone intro. Let's go ahead and get right into it. What was going on this. What up champ yeah man very excited for for this. <hes> virgil teas and antonio roscoe fide the both not natural welterweight. They're moving up. They've already had one fight a piece in the welterweight division and for roscoe he really didn't find it while it was like one forty two and a half have we in fight a named welterweight but <hes> he did get a win and his only losses to ramirez and ortiz his biggest winners mauricio herrera and we all seen that fight live wasn't like herrera was the the era of old and put up much resistance but that was his first fight at one forty seven now he did have one fight at one forty two so essentially these two guys will be meaning at forty seven. The biggest issue issue was does this is for a vacant welterweight w._b._z. A gold title now right away. I know oh you're gonna think oh vacant welterweight world title damn he's fighting for the title that was belong to pack pack has been elevated to super champion but that welterweight gold title. That should didn't sit well with me. I kept feeling like something was wrong. On the verbiage there <hes> and i googled and that some new shit that's not pack cows w._b._z. A regular title so the w._p._a. Instead of of getting rid of all the titles that they were supposed to have they have now a super w._b._a._i. Which is pack cow then they have a w._b._a. Regular champion which is vacant then they have a w._b. Interim champion and now they will have a w._b._a. Goal champion in the welterweight with division which we the winner of this fight regardless of what you may think about that and the w._m._b._a. And all the belts else what it does do is move the fighter along so virgil or antonio orosco will be propelled ortiz's. This is already ranked ten in the w._b. As well two way with only that one fight where antonio roscoe is ranked at fourteen with that only one fight so you know a guy that i know that's pretty decent from the florida area. Derek quebec has anything gotten on t._v. And he's ranked thirteen so you know these young men are doing doing well for themselves especially being on t._v. The thing is we might actually see some good fights because of this. Oh you got guys like donahue alexander in who i've never really gotten to watch but olga's danny kief mikey jamal james is the the least sexy name so ortiz who's a puncture and depending on how he looks versus roscoe if he can whitewash roscoe which i find find to be difficult. Ramirez went to war with mme remembers the so well. I don't know man. I know i'm rambling. But what do you think about this new goal tied or did you remember this because joe joyce's the gold gold chant in heavyweight division is probably no different than like w._b._z. Civil title on me. A lot of division have a lot of a lot of section by they have a lot of titles nowadays okay so not really famous about new titles or extra titles brady. Joe ortiz seem single one fight ever seen a lot of them so i really don't know much about him. The other key as i've seen that he has power at the way class wanna see upset translate <hes> when he moved says he's up at one forty seven. Can you still get the uh guys out of there with the same kind of <hes> power shots that he's been doing so. I'm excited to learn more about this weekend. Other song got a lot of guys on the car that i heard al maybe once or twice but not a lot of guys that i'm really really really <hes> overly familiar with yeah for ortiz i don't. I think that obviously we gotta see because you know even thurman. Knockouts dissipated at the higher level before ortiz. He was the first guy to knock out the harare. What was your thoughts on that knockout and obviously factor in the fact you know herrera was that age at the end of his career but for me. I've never seen her knocked out and it wasn't like old man knock. I was like a knockout to me. But what are we would. That was obviously the only fight your virgil was your thoughts on that performance and as far as the knockout on that opponent i mean older guy set him up. <hes> <hes> formerly young guy coming in trying to make a statement that <hes> against herrera sector ended however age. I i don't know is good for your resume. Good for your building price but i don't know how much we can take it out of it. Let's see when he gets up to those guys at one forty forty seven on like tableau continuous are like french level contenders. Maybe even journey minicam guys long sand less to see how you fight those guys a. Versus a herrero older a guy's name antonio who is moving up in class definitely <hes> <hes> around thirty nine what was <hes> areola zij but obviously harare it did not look like thirty thirty five. He wasn't that oh really young thirty four holy on sunday. Your harare got some decent wins. You know it's not like areola got like one win. Herrera got some thirty eight. Yeah you see harare got. Some be some wins. He beat lundy has seuss garage. <hes> you know <hes> who's the other name is. I seen he really jose ben evita's junior. Everybody seen that's how benefit is to get the interim title and a lot of people believe he beat danny any garcia but he was in there with punches to mike gaba arado who we lost to my junior who beat was trained by virgil hunter korea mayfield. He was one of those wild punches. Danny was puncher ben evita's. I'm not gonna say he was a punch. <hes> frankie gomez that was supposed to be a puncher and he didn't lose the frank gomez. That was that kid from the lower. East side laid a lower east. I don't think i mean what is it east side. I don't know whatever the point is restrained by freddie roach as well but man frankie gomez was get to old navy saturday and sunday just in time for back to school. Girls and boys polos are three bucks in stores. Only plus saturday only jeans or ten bucks for adults seven bucks for kids at old navy and old navy dot com valid eight ten to eight eleven limit five paulos select styles only critics agree and the the lost city of gold is the family film you've been searching for it's packed with action full of surprises and will knock your boots off to discover a lifetime door in the the lost city of gold rated p._g. Now playing us like <hes> people expect to so much. Oh she'd be jeevan ken to yeah. I don't know i mean look. Herrera did look old man he he. He likes to go have a few bruschi joe. His stomach never looked like that in that virgil fight i never ever seen like like i've seen cellulite his stomach. <hes> so you could be right and like i said every yola maybe unfair to media compared to areola because every all i had a really good performance young trying to see last time ira have fall before he fault fault virgil warranties and i mean he wasn't off too long like six months. He fought saddam ali what you lost to saddam so aw come off facing where i mean i guess not bad good win. Virgil cincinnati is coming up on what saddam i colleagues. Saddam will be <hes> koto and you were able to stop him. Instead of a of a unanimous decision unlikes saddam so i guess that win does look a little bit better when you when you go into it and it's not like a t._k._o. Actual knockout so yeah <music>. I'm excited to see virgil fight this weekend man. Just i'm just mad that i really don't know much about them. So i can't really give in-depth analysis on but <hes> <hes> from what i've been hearing callers from <hes> social media and defending the youtube he's definitely a guy that has power and that guy that the people are very very high right people think that not fema lopez but this guy this guy could be the the next big mexican superstar in the sport of boxing listen. I'm a i'm going to the second-leg. Joshua franco versus neglected josh frankel whatever her name before let me see jess franco i do oscar. He fought yeah see. He doesn't looks near you might say he. I think he just not too long ago. Default franco on first decision. I fell franko waste trilogy. Damn i i was a drought certified was a split decision. This is going to be the trilogy so going to check that out. He fought ray varghese lost right. That's why <hes> okay. I mean my yeah why mike was all all later to pick up the slack on. He's not acting like a teammate. Today's upset still from this morning. My dad was for you. This is a peace offering look at me. Look i just i'm i'm. I'm giving a peace offering peace. I i have noticed ready. I'm talking about josh franko and they haven't damn trilogy these guys who haven't trinity eight thirty. I got a piece off friends surprise for you want to know what it is or you'd rather with. It's eight thirty eight thirty really okay okay cool so we're talking joshua franko having a trilogy. He's having an the old boy having a trilogy. Wow yeah yeah because that's you know i would have found that out in a matter of minutes because i seen that when you put it oscar gonna get there. He's he was supposed to be one of the up and coming prospects for go to my believings brazilian sue. Let me double check that. I didn't know they for them. You know i was thinking when you sent over the notes bro. I'm sorry man. It's actually i don't know all right. This is what i thought and i was leaning towards this feeling that lower level named fighters or having less promotion on design own on e._s._p._n. Where you on a._b._c. and fox and and including the social media eighty okay that's exact- that's more of the argument is that social media push you look at the numbers of some of these other lower-level level names like in a rosco. You know a nascar negative. <hes> you know you gotta throw in ryan but he does numbers virgil teas but he does numbers which he really doesn't right and we'll get into the actual numbers like yo bro. The fucking ramirez fi in khokar only got like twenty thousand views user then. Let me double check that. I wanna be a liar but i see and i'm like what is going on. Where is you know. I can't even front. I i'll take e._s._p._n. Out of are there because i seen seven form on e._s._p._n. Interview that should almost had a million in a few days and we already talked about how b._t. And fox are having millions in a matter of days so look design ness not even it that's top up ten biggest hits on his arm trying to find his hook affi- o.'day go two hundred and one thousand. Is that good like yo. Oh it's also got more than that versus stevenson. You know what i'm saying. That wasn't a unification we talk. Oh my journeymen crossroad fights just to put it into comparison so i just wanted to do a little bit better. It's not that they not we seating trion and they're doing a lot of you know social media portion posts and things like that but the numbers are not equating leading man they just not getting there like the crawford reacting to the shade only got ninety eight thousand like that's crazy. That's something net is just not. It's not so for instance. The bigger name fighter look at seven former a message for devante davis eight hundred thousand so there's a huge all i'm saying is is not that they not doing their job. This just the numbers indicating a huge disparity for the star car and for the prospect where is on e._s._p._n. And p._b._c. it ain't like that you see who started gi and kayla plant do the numbers that keith thurman and joselito awesome delopez will do so they just gotta do better and that's on t._v. But if you go again to their social media's either instagram but more preferably youtube because you know that is better than instagram in terms of reach. I want to believe you know <hes> even though it's statistically more people on instagram grand per day than they are on youtube but statistically more people spend a longer periods of time on youtube because of the video length so. I don't know a a lot of information but i don't know i just think some some of us are hit and miss a we see it all the time i mean i don't have a couple of cliff that went enviro. It reason joshua me. I i think it just the magnitude of what's been said and who's been said to and sometimes it works doesn't sometimes people may see those clip somewhere else and not really feel the need to rewatch again on his own or any other like that but yet my big ups the all the <hes> <hes> networks in youtube channel promoting boxing. I went to the apple store today. Give them a phone in the guy was talking about boxing. Talk about the pack and keep them inside and just talking about earl spencer and how you michael garcia got beat up so i was a thoroughly entertained that <hes> <hes> somebody knew about boxing debt. Maybe i went high remit. You know what i'm saying or even had a conversation with besides what's wrong with my phone. Oh you know what i'm saying. That's always cool. I always get excited when someone knows the sport did <hes> did you ask him if he would like watches youtube and shit no he didn't really follow a lot of podcasting like this youtube in general now i if i if youtube subscribing so because because that's what i like to do like to gauge person is a boxing fans like oh you watch youtube and is like yeah i watch on youtube why go back and watch it and then you know. He'll a little bit of a hardcore. You know what i mean because not a lot of casualties. I don't think a lot of casuals do you do right like you. Go back and watch fight so i could be found on youtube so i don't know that's just something i try to use to gauge wjr in terms of social media and youtube. I mean showtime did a good job with the jovana. Davis fight obviously the numbers that came men. They were written on headlines as good. I mean i didn't think that the five hundred thousand was good <hes> but that ah that whole month of the fight they got millions of views on showtime spores youtube channel like every buildup video they put out god crazy reviews <hes> and so did his and that's what i'm saying so did his fight his post fight <hes> highlight or whatever that she does on one point six. That's a highlight remember just comparisons and that's in one week <hes> again keeping comparison our good friend danube wine richer. Lardy did one point seven in three weeks and it's all on hold at their you. You know it's still marked us. Three weeks on youtube is not moving from one point seven but overall. I really excited for this scorecard with ortiz. I'm picking tease. I think he's gonna go the decision. Though <hes> i think goes tough <hes> if if i'm not mistaken let me double check. Do you remember if he got stopped by ramirez thing. He wanted to susan women mirrors. I thought he'd pulled out man. What do you mean. I pulled out. I'm going to remember his fight. No they had to fight. I watched it okay well. I don't know maybe he got which could decision. It was a twelve round decision ramirez relentlessly even though our schools name is relentless ramirez bro man and i just refreshed myself on that god damn okay ramirez yo yo alex mash out to you. How did i not notice that level. You know what i i've never seen that fight with roscoe man his left will crazy. It was better than the hook affi- but obviously that's because hook goes probably really a little more skill than a rosco or taller will makes it harder but damn if i want to see a good fight at least why roscoe ramirez highlights bro the way he's talking that left hook to the left torso and to the right to us all into the top of the right hand is crazy doubles up on like a rubberband and dan virgil tease comes into this with the advantage two things <hes> not to advantage is just two things one of those two being one advantage which is robert garcia who still trying to get on the show as well man but he's on a flight <hes> but yeah robert garcia who's trainer of virgil ortiz but robert garcia's also little trainer jose ramirez and not only did get spar ramirez mikey and everybody else in that argue became but he also has the advantage of the trainer that already beat roscoe being in your corner as well that being said speaking trainers before he went to robert garcia he was joel. D has who ironically called called his last fight crazy <hes> so yeah. I'm gonna pick virgil teas but i think is going to go a u. D. it may be and be there in person because the knockout overrun when i even as a highway class but actually it would be impressed <hes> hector tire najrah tara hardly gotten into. We just got texas. Oh yeah for for all texans josephina y'all ortiz's from texas small town that forgot the name of perjury perry something i don't know and and franco and hector after all from texas to hector donna texas actors another heavily touted prospect you know robert i believe manages manages them and trains them garcia and he's been with him for like three years already. Got him fresh out amateurs and stuff so he's been grooming grooming him. I watched like one or two fights. Damn he's already seventeen and look. I thought he had more power than he's only <hes> okay. He uses mexes. He only has five knockouts. Wow wow gassing it to not not not a whole lot of power so oh interesting because he's so tall he's five ten and he's fighting out one hundred and thirty five so it's like he's gonna have to move up soon. Hopefully he gained power as he stops struggling to make the way he's twenty two years. Oh you know man. He was touted but he looks like they slowing them down. You know not slowing them down but pacing them nothing out of the ordinary jumping out at me. He's already already moved up a division. He started a he started at thirty five but then went down to thirty as he got into the professional ranks and went back up to thirty five. Now i mean he got he got. He got a technical decisions and stuff as a cut note that will stop because of the cards while but he's got like one two three four five basically decisions back the back all right so i mean let's see maybe he's a box like i said i've only watched them like once. Y'all now think honestly. I one time too because you know this is the thing and this is. I went nowhere with the whole thing. That's where i'm going. It's like did golden boy do the right thing. Bro like all these critics agree and the lost city of gold is the family film. You've been searching four. It's packed with action full of surprises and will knock your boots off to the discovery a lifetime. The lost city of gold rated p._g. Now plea the starlight lounge presents an evening with the progressive box the move that's ugo tickling the ivories he just saved by bundling home and auto progressive gonna finally by for that galileo. Lydia is hugo. Send him my condolences this next one tweet there's in maya. I also thank you progressive casualty. Insurance company and affiliates discounts on available in all states or situations is a not not time like a lot of these ciders on like the size virgil only once once last eight nine months well don. I a golden boy prospect. He's been with them for years already like i said he needs. Worcester core is getting what is getting even jason so signs sunny console were getting sold is virgil you know virgil is lucky that the boxing world considers him like prospect of the year or you know that prospect on the rise or contender under but look at poor oscar there bro. You said he's in a trilogy with joshua franko for like. I should have known that to fights ago. That's crazy because both of them. Were you know they may big deals when he signed them. Both off you know and it's just like they not getting a good enough. Push bro like it's only the big names that we know of in golden boy the l- amusing <hes> things like that like bro. I look ask they got two losses. Bro not doing wanaka job. These guys our regular in more more active and he's colombian. I said brazilian. I was wrong about that but but i knew he was from somewhere so vargas. Oh who was. I so you say you know eight. Thirty is the surprise seven thirty ish cool koran in. We got a mas on the black what's named black eight thirty two. That's but he's fighting jesse. Jimmy romo's in a round middleweight fight. Hector volumes is fighting the six around junior physically fight the discarded artist. George ran cohen is fighting a re k. escobar than six around doing what the wifi joshua's juarez. It's like nine well. Sanchez interested in colorado is fighting <unk> kind deal pride their four round heavyweight they fight so <hes> the the goteborg getting their whole roster out on one card and these guys get some money so i guess i'm not here to say what they should or shouldn't be doing but i would like to see some of these names on this list out of the more mr gross we we have our first guest chicago stephen chicago man. I want to thank you first and foremost we're taking out the time to give us an opportunity to interview you. I know you got a a lot of things going on right now w._b._o. Obviously has ordered for you to get a title shot and it's looking like it's going to be joe wet gonzales. We're just extremely happy for you. Mean especially being from your hometown and we just want to get your overall thoughts on the news. I'm definitely excited. I'm trying to get. I hate to bother but if you're using speakerphone assigned could do not just so it could be a little louder sounds with echo but definitely excited that you're excited. What's your overall thoughts on gonzales. I know you really wanted oscar valdez or call frampton but mike is going to be gonzales a decent fighter. I felt like a lot of the different level what's going on. Mike mike you're my first question for you is a lot of people may be may say hey man might be a little bit too quick for occurred to get a title shot. You know he still got some things. They need to work on or some developing to do to those people you say what they don't. They don't get to see <hes> just uh-huh. Maybe a already say now. Let the people what they want the thing <hes> i know i'm at a on a different low chairs. Coffers limitation goes gay join us. I know what type of level also but by the sea now it'd be worshiping thirteen bite. A lot of people have done it. So what do you make <unk>. Oscar valentine's dropping that bill. Do you think that he was persuaded to move up or even saying that. I'm not ready for word tires. You got guys like oscar founded jump into one dirty just so he can't fight me like the like <hes>. I can't be as they don't wanna fight. I call a friend who had no title. They don't want to buy sikorsky's so i vowed then moved with labor either way in a now the one thirty two way way. You say you feel like ask about this was made. There's lame lame lame lame. Oh okay okay so obviously would join comes out to be this power parts. Do you believe that he's a puncher hair augments very true. I don't even think he did. I think that he told me he goes good. Amount of course there will actually highgate league. He's got a lot in common. They turned okay. So how do you prepare for that. You know i guess mexican style. Wow all right jose ramirez just pressure always on top of you who made who may hold they've got their non. It'll matter jose ramirez lea. He's gonna keep coming up like a uh down. He plays this is not bad. <hes> we watch you the whole of the he laid a solid a in two thousand. I don't think he'd come thing or i'm going to throw around to take me back to a lot thirteen. You know what i'm saying you put on a great performance in your hometown of no work and <hes>. It seemed like a lot of a lot of support there. Can you just let me know how how the energy was in the building and how it's like. Give me your experience from that night. I how much support i got from the support. I woke up rapid. Eh that was a major opponent. He wasn't as good. I wanted to talk to me like when i saw them. <hes> this is gonna be a lot better combined for like this and even barely after growth. Honestly i think were on uh-huh. Keep hearing. You say i'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready for my world title shot. I'm ready for my word title what what mexico so so oh confident that he is indeed ready to be a champion and stay a champion engineer the word. I haven't been to take along meal single twelve around straight so i'm going off on the whole kid. I don't end in italy with my own not getting these i in people. I knew that i become a champion. I wanna i wanna pay called francis and i when all i i can't imitate agreed and they they take on so you said you wanted that carl frampton fight. Does it bother you to hear your promoter. Bob arum say that frampton should not fight you because he feels us a dangerous fifa frampton that have brampton wants a world title. He should move up and possibly fi- jamal mel hering yeah. I kind of a value can't blame because because my father the order now cozy is my own lane. Bob somebody that you i dan. I mean it'd be a big fight with a lot of letting. I'm not worth so at what i can do sandwiches yeah. I'm still going to push you speaking of that u._k. Seeing this week we've seen seen <hes> the ibm champion. Josh wearing tin announced his fight. I don't know the guy that he's fighting but he definitely in my opinion. I felt like he used your name to move the promotion saying he'll give you twelve rounds of hell. Would it lasts twelve. How ah i know that in that budget in here i feel like does more than just be talking like he <music> nine found out that i'm fighting somebody else but now it's like oh i can. There's no chance me he's already told mom i guess back. If you don't get a belt with these everything like i'm i'm a dangerous opponent of i think i would hopefully after this by me wars getting ring a uniform stop and then fight that you will would wait at one twenty six four before moving up or do you think thank you <hes> get your belt and defended a couple of times. You'll be going up to one thirty black clad and once i get down up. How can we make it. I'm excited about not even here yet <music> now now. How do you see yourself like how many fights before you think you're moving up or you're going to try and be a w._b. L. champion long enough to then activate that w._b._o. Rule where you can challenge the champion and the weight division above or is it just get the title. I'm busting at the scenes i gotta go to one thirty now might get the title and biting blue. It'd be hard for me to get a tax time being out coming from being were taping advocacy six. I don't think it'd be hard to like one thirty some big name. Oh there's gonna be things like big between me. John davison and i know it i know come on be. We'll be like a fight that people don't wanna see four hundred. I can't wait. I really like that came out of left field. You know narrowly no yeah. I seen you have before social media but then i seen you fix six the business i did. I say team. Thank thank you bet that one thirty pounds tighten once i did that i lead dazzled by and maybe speak to so but i i do you think he will wait for you when let people start seeing any. I don't know what he would say. I don't know why i'm so happy you from her twenty two years old and you calling out tank man. I'm yeah oh that's amazing. You doing big things man. I mean you ain't calling them out but you see yourself in the ring with him where you know we just don't hear that so soon from from fighters that's that's beautiful. I hope happens because it is cross promotion man. Do you believe tank. If the best thirty yep hang a appeals powell his i've been taking right now. I know why i see he by taking the star. I'm really i'm growing more and more big it was we saved one thirty one second to one dirty. Nobody be and we'll get the point with being home. We'll have the drink. <music> critics agree nora and the lost city of gold is the family film you've been searching for. It's packed with action full of surprises and will knock your boots off a lifetime door in the lost city of gold rated p._g. Now playing of course the lexus golden opportunities sales event is about exceptional offers but it's also about having advanced technology and a safety system designed to alert you all all coming together for you at the perfect moment. Don't miss your perfect moment to experience. Exceptional offers on a line of vehicles equipped with advanced safety technology now timber third experience amazing at your lexus dealer. Some advanced safety features not available on jack's data cared not much over saying what a guy gary russell when leo santa cruz will probably follow yup to one of those guys can't beat you at one thirty or gary. Basically i feel like i'm thinking like you know about that one guy and she was saying to for mobile nickelbein took a it kinda dig that they're gonna make thirty bucks or something. They just want to ask you about the two names you brought up fighting each other because we gary russell have a lot of energy fourteen saying davis on social media and kind of saying you know like that doesn't wanna fight me but they're not in the same division you ever see that happen in both how does that fight look how i if i haven't but it could happen is dependent on it. Once it that serious they could go out and say i want to be having. It's like thinking about things like might be wrong a lot. Get around every i'm a lotta different jarod <hes> gary like nothing. I race club but i do think about geico dot mi blakely as actor. Do you think we'll ever see a <hes> of course steve missing. Jason versus only ching-kuo pay per view on top rank. Yeah definitely another single winning <hes> to not be big baked by the matang in going louis tangles small and only some people say he doesn't have power. You spot autumn like obviously. He's got respectable power but they don't you know. What do you think what do you say about that. I mean a we'll take a break. Lots often i on all on one thirty five and now best fighter one thirty nine signed up but i do you own wealth overwhelming meal dislike same eight away. He does a lot of companies but he tells you the breaking down. You're not really big punch but he can't. When you buy a lot of time. Chris let me think rookie now mentally and this is where so sukur what separates you from john pass cow markets brown tony harrison jamal jamal carlo andy ruis anthony joshua where the favorite is expected to win. He's the betting favourite. The promotion is for him but you can't really pick a win until the fight happens because the fight happens. How do you not get in those situations since when obviously none of those sites thought they would be in that situation. You know what you're not around. They say our ever think about losing moving gravy made in my head. I barely even in the one about physically fight street watson olympic final. I i moving. I'll be myself. I i'll be i get. I barely losing moving. There's nothing that i think about never thought about losing move on. Don't people aged. Jewish holiday was on a tiny cameo no and then get big here. I've never seen one on gillett 'cause i was i'm looking at hewlett. Housing by cia senior that i have is thing i love ep to be okay all right so <hes> man all right. We gotta ask you you about a veto. Can you pronounce his last name. I i suck. I'm from new jersey villa nikki man. What's your thoughts on him. I'm not going to top rank after debut in signing with p._b._c. now hayman i <hes> like i don't know why what what made them to that decision but he's behind like i'm behind the times mostly day you know as a promoter awesome also like they made a decision. That was a team to say and now obviously you guys have been in the ring. I mean he's like you said his dad is three. You know him from you know back in the day like what what. What could you tell us about him that we don't know like you said you know. We haven't seen tank <hes> skills yet because we just see see in his power. You've seen his skills. What can you tell us about vito. I i i i would rush them. You you really don't don't rush them up by author by us. Over the course of time to get there will be a threat to be if he keeps his working on passing benefit. Uh all right well. <hes> you know i got actually. I don't know if you you get upset about this or not. Ah but you guys are linked and you know his profile is going to bill because you guys for in the amateurs in the olympics. He's fighting this weekend weekend. Talking obviously ramirez. I i seen him. I was down in florida do training in terms jim. What's your thoughts on him coming into america. 'cause you know obviously he's got a defect. It wasn't a given that he would turn pro. What's your thoughts on just everything him being an american now him being a professional signing to your promotional company and debut in i i wanna i mike will be like me. Revision was before me <hes> you can tell how much through state will be had after we after you came to me english but you battalion on the best person yet been bringing. I got nothing but respect for easy or weekly surprised ah view saying he regular cuba. He is not no regular queued. They excited he wanted to gone by. It's very sore escape. Obedient great fight i when i when i'm coming out okay when do you were you. Were you my cuban. <hes> cuban mafia saying goes you came from <hes>. He always the main thing i look. I look up to be said that tom and <hes> we ended up buying barely beat me. I went with the first time we'd ever get everyday. I can't wait chris right now. We'll make having what makes you so safe because let me just add a few things right like obviously he's older than you so. He's probably got his probably not leaning toward. I'm just throwing it out there. For argument's sake right now he's probably got his man strength and he's had more amateur. Ask you so he's got that experience and like. You said he's not traditional. Oh cuban then along cross anybody. I've got really and then again or anybody else for about if i start getting i figured you out brain there. I got a guy. I don't watch that being doused in probably wasn't i. I don't watch that i watch so much i figured him on everything will do his weakness as i know i know i understand now like what got going here and do how would i was not womb eighty ninety older. That's eight final mom stronger being there. I know a lot more video reviews pros and i know that if i find okay i got him. I'd be like all right. Well obviously like argued that it goes nowhere to go and i ended up staying right here. We know steve saying you got a lot better on. We're gonna take our time and we try to entertain. That's the smartest thing to do to get as much as possible yeah yeah. I love your confidence man. I can't wait man. When do we get an official announcement or a press conference and <hes> <hes>. Can you give us a hand or you bring back. The prudential center is going to be madison. Square is the else we we is. The seal then made a superb champion so that he could go fight mikey or somebody and not fight evan haney. I mean <hes> the the guidelines for the franchise. Champion are clear and <hes> <hes>. I'll say say speculation. Links people get very ships them fight. Let's see you'll know who's gonna win. In both fights the fight between kinkel campbell's for the vacant title they weiner her has the commitment to compare the rules <hes> you could say very awkward <hes> situation which a challenging. I'm doing for the organization. He's fighting a cold challenger for a vacant title. We are very proud on the owner who receive will go to fight campbell and just way interfere wreath fighter been upcoming writing star. <hes> markeith young keeps building up a career with he's been very anxious on he read social. Media gets fed warming up from start slowing up. Let's see what happens in the ring and ben <hes> building great career because you've got a potential supercar all right. This is the last last last one the thing is that you know you're full of answers because you know your organization is so big and is is just synonymous with boxing so you speaking of pumping the brakes and watching what happens in the ring what were your thoughts on pascal upsetting marcus brown and now pass cows. You're in what is now your silver interim champion super champion and with a walk performa what clearly ahead winning and then exchange functions and he goes down comes back on dc dominated the fight exchange for i'm just going down in and goes down in the end of the round what dramatic fight <hes> which shows <hes> punching bali only one side wanted to the other and then a flash occidental into fight we were to me they partial round being gored which pisa rule which is perfectly correct on that <hes> part of that around was third decisive factor in favour plus. <hes> you just <hes> people don't you our and you can stand there on office. I think people saw very exciting. <hes> look conclusive female and a few months ago look bad. I really enjoyed the fan all all right. I know i said that was the last this is honestly the last. I'm crossing mahar hope. The die is going to become a w._b._z. Franchise champ right because for the u._k. u._k. Fans they really wanna see dillion wifi wilder. They've got this hashtag six hundred days things going on. You know there's claiming it's six hundred days to be like i'm praying that he comes back clean so that we can get that if i there's no way while the becomes a super champion right super champion i mean you see and that's the issue right there. Franchise champion is kind of identical to the w._b. A super champion that doesn't get mandatory you know but i do. I meant that no disrespect the franchise champion shirt chase champion the sling <hes>. I will be happy to send you a guidance and hopefully you your program. <hes> you cut short the <hes> provisions i can you say that while there will or will <hes> request we flagships champion <hes> what i can say that he's five years champion title defences sometimes the best <hes> he does really victim of the boxing programme always a good big excite with a weapon the love fight with the first one fellow. He had a two other opponents to avert finding. I'm not gonna say feeling white caves. He's <hes> on their religion. Rock down for. I will not speculate i don't while sending styling easing are great. <hes> we much he's highly mobile woah buddy yuli and we'd both it would be a rematch well. There's another action going on so it would be diagnosed. <hes> <hes> <hes> instead peaking loved happening eight months and <hes> how these and we will all. He's gonna read franchise. Let's concentrate on the good things that are coming. Let's let being in the white group he awesome. He is feared he is the your keys where you bring him on we have because we waited then wipe or the chinese people all right. Well <hes>. That's it don't want to keep you any longer. Thank you so much obviously for the time we always appreciate you coming on definitely educating us if you feel like talking about october arain mexico and the grand resort that you're gonna hold the convention is it open to the public or is this. You know i don't know what you can and can't say about that right location again we had the danger is greatest <hes> meeting and the year of the boxing world. He's from meekly open to the public open to the fans of france who everybody we racing <hes> meeting open to the phone. We have the mandatory soul quality and that's when a motive motive managers <hes> meet and be sent the pace in the board. There's no <hes> close room or the agents. Nations made everything needs <hes> very transparent in fact i would look for both of you being on coon on a culvert birt's functioning. I would love to be there. Critics agree your and the lost city of goal is as the family film you've been searching for. It's packed with action full of surprises and will knock your boots off a lifetime door. I am the lost city of gold rated the feature now playing say metro by t mobile at the best dylan wireless and it's all for you all for me just switch quickly because metro it has to lance but eighty and to samsung galaxy j seven stop phones for free plus amazon prime included. That's the way wireless should be only at metro. The sales tax and activation fee fifty dollars plus rate plan required not valid for numbers currently on t. mobile network metro past ninety days offer subject to change offer valid for new amazon prime members amazon prime has a twelve ninety nine per month. The restrictions apply see store for details and terms and conditions. I've been looking into it to see if it's <hes> financially feasible so we'll we will see but i i see the <unk> hotel. Tell us about the hotel was did they again. It's married the grandma you dates are extended extended from the twenty six to november knife <hes> <hes> or the bill rate. Maybe eighty <hes> these fail. It's only you if you the surveys petrol very good food <hes> good drinks for those who like to have a beer or two <hes> something keila beautiful beach <hes> lots of wrestler needs rain will be many many championships. I have a fever down <hes> in render. A much furor survived wasn't wasn't a have a specific almost the coolest jarrett's school some of the other greek. Here's the sport <hes> new our lady awesome prizes on on between the hard work <hes> on the fourth of the season also lots of fun and armed <hes>. That's where the family of the world needs on those many beautiful stories that happened. Maybe two chilis husky w._b._z. Cares and doc what's looking up and i will be very very happy. You can make it then what would definitely gonna try. I wanna thank you again. Obviously you can get any <hes> social media. You wanna give at this time and we appreciate you obviously taking out the time once again to <hes> come on a shot no you we just finished traveling as well so i just thank you again really appreciate you always coming on definitely. Do you see all those certain. We'd like to follow the only b._c. Or even facebook instagram twitter. What would you be boxing on my personal account dorothy b c and oh well okay all right well. Thank you and have a good night now. Are you saying like november all right yeah the dates. It's our extended for the rates right so it's going to be from october fifteenth to november third but the convention is from the twentieth to the twenty six so with the hotel was doing you know like if you wanna get you wanna stay on longer. You still get those w._b._z. Discounted rates but they just extended it because i mean look it was popping when they did in miami i was i told you there's more i was a little jealous. I seen <hes> damian. Wow the everybody was there. Imagine imagine and it's dope because his can cool so as all inclusive you pay for telecoms with the food comes with the liquor everything shooter. The only problem i'm going to have is because mexico super cheap. I wouldn't even have an issue with it but i normally get my packages together flight and hotel so now you gotta bottle hotel and then by your flight normally only a flight anyways for fifty unless you packaging it so if i can make i'm definitely go the issues. I'm gonna have to talk to him to see if there's how's the internet internet bro because i cannot take that trip and is not good because i you know i got. I got to make the money there's going to be on a._b._c. Real quick reaches out on social media and really <hes> hannah video on in left some words. He's on twitter for a._b._c. Let me say to these right quick while you're pulling that up a new way versus no lido near finalized is november seven injured pain talking about some home. The first thing popped up off e okay pro yoda i sting just take an instagram to grandma's like holdall. Let's play this man. Ossete roman talking shit again fucking beating up garbage snarl at bushey. You'll fucking cloud. I nobody taking vice versa shit water shit water and you ahead of you wanna fight in bitchy valley one talking on last year. I'm gonna take care of i gotta. Do i wanna see you. Don't we'll talk about you ride to retire you. Bring a little bit uconn yeah i want. My ron sued. Stop commissioner when he said if i'm garbage shit wad maga- agah but this is the thing that's put it in the title bruna lying. He not going to fight this do nothing to read he. He'll play all they tell you. Though it could happen you think so. No i don't mean it could happen it could happen. It could happen because there's certain things that are there like regis blue so he's not hard to nobody right. At least lou knows al don't seem like fucking with each other but he knows them. I know but that's the thing brought to not with eddie and year you could look i think read just just obviously regis smart move go to top rank after if he can win the world box a super serious but if you are down if luca get the to quick pay per view we you know put the two belts on the line versus bruna maim. I watch it because i know he going to try to beat grown up. Everybody's trying to win going to try and beat up. <hes> chomp. Has we'll face colombian elbert bravo this saturday <hes>. Don't ask me what i when a fight is because i do not know mexico but there's no t._v. T._v. t._v. <hes> azteca tv for the u._s._o. Azteca mesical and because last i checked there wasn't not we were talking about this. The other day about i'm sure focused says it's a azteca it'd be on youtube or it'll be streamed second t._v. Here you know i pay extra if that has like a fifty dollars for the fucking mexican can package to get all spanish channels though all okay matt like mad more spanish channel h._b._o. As tech o._b._m. sports all that but now boxing ain't even really on getting old getting old telemundo shoot. Dan regions came only got eight thousand views on it though let's see if brown brown i really wanted will will use this the way he'd be talking about thermal. It'll be we like what about hopefully one of these one of these celebrity boxing posted. Does your bed watch your mouth bagman. <hes> we got one from <hes> face brennan lee august twenty third quick turn around but brian manolete undefeated fourteen thirteen k._o. So we're going to end. He said he was like sixteen. Time national champion too so <hes> frank warren said he he made a big offer who offer to leo santa cruz defy josh warrington but he also said he made a big alpha to kevin smith but haringey said offer wasn't big at all <hes> well. We assume that jose <unk> to make his debut at one forty on september twenty. I jose just keep on moving up. Man got one thirty one thirty five not trying to get a bill at one forty. I'm happy for that. Is i told you he just moved. Let me scream shit and it's all for me to move around all the bullshit they come with this life and i bought my feelings because ainu by real when you get to this stage playing a role so that's why i lash out sometimes but i'm gucci p._s. I'm not hanging up the gloves my baby's. He's begbie not to cause the told me. I'm the best if i don't believe nobody got to believe in them. They all i got hard emoji and this is adrian bruneau and <hes> when my daughter was three years old. She told me that she was a butterfly that i believe him all right and i'm just saying that's why i titled the show what outside of the show because this do stay live a matter metaphor. Let me go to this this exactly why use this to the <hes> thumbnail dumb now adrian brodie makes history baby abe he may history. He retired twice in two thousand eighteen. This is the second cy he retired unretired. My man may history change. Eh don't do like a._b. A._b. About retirements he goes say yo florida retired twice so our tired twice. You know what i'm saying. It's floor retired. I retired if we done <hes> lawrence o. Cozy thirteen and we'll face ives nagabal twenty four before cao's and his next scheduled fight and they will be fighting for the e e b you title veto mela nikki makes his p._b._c. debut on nine twenty eight. Guess what car guess what carter young one of the biggest cars this year shop puerto versus aerospace earls shop or however you wanna be on card. What what what did you watch his video. You know at least his instagram on why he signed with bbc he video in eight then you ain't the man. Let me see if i could find bra. I love the he's doing it like that. It's like a movie for her man. Eh what you mean. How doing like how here you go. You're going to have to see it. Hopefully you don't play wag on on a screen ship anywhere you so go to grab yourself champion. What do you say <hes> uh shit. I read it right. Maybe there's one read major announcement. My team and i have decided to bring my talented high. I use level and signed a promotional deal you with the best in the game at permitted boxing i i want to thank our heyman and louis koo junior for believing in me. I want to thank my manager. Anthony nozzle for helping me get in this position lastly ashley. I want to thank my family and friends and team for being behind me through everything in the funny thing. Is i told you this do use the train jersey boys i didn't i didn't know like i know his father. His father's g three g h three promotions. I didn't know he was going to be like a hit like this like. I knew he was good. 'cause they talk about him in the gym but i know he was going to be like a blue chip sonnen but let me see how this sound screaming took center. I mean he got offers from everybody. Dissolved top rank amd p._b._c. blue like i'm thinking of talent but when it comes to him talented there don't get me wrong but i think the buzz they see when he did what he was able to do with i that's good you so. I i remember that <hes>. I think it's an article i read. I hate them up to try and get him on the show but the thing is the article i read that. He says they wasn't looking to sign. They did that strategically. Mike okay if you read the article. He says yeah we did we did because we knew we would have leverage. You know what i'm saying so they owned that stage to show which would they do now. Let me see what the more i in my you know what i'm saying again. As far as g three's promoted dozens of for answering douglas an atom low. I mean just mad fighters. His father's had math fighters throughout the time so his father knows what he's doing and this is the this is son. He wouldn't let me see how bad this who look okay and it's a compliment. I've been fighting all my life now. It's my time on the kid from jersey and i plan to be the greatest athlete ever after being pursued by all the major u._s. Lawyers time happy to announce. I've signed that p._v._c. The p._b._c. platform offers fighters and opportunity lifetime when you pair their cross promotion and the p._v._c. steve. I just don't wanna box. I wanna box at the highest level and that's why my team and i have decided to join p._v._c. family. He made that's the movie channel and guess what saas fired at crawford joe. I don't just want to box. I wanna box at the highest level. That's why i chose p._b._c. in your welterweight. Yeah i catch all like yo. He no like. I don't i wanna just box. I could just go on and just be on t._v. Now i want to challenge. Must i gotta get in there with them. Dudes that are the man yo he he gave me chills. Y'all giving jersey china. Why come on man why each of us for bugging memphis indiana who fucking do a hula hoops sick right now. Let's critics. Critics agree nora and the lost city of goal is the family film you've been searching for it's packed with action full of surprises and will not your boots off to discover a lifetime meantime door. I am the lost city of gold rated p._g. Now playing of course the lexus golden opportunities sales event is about exceptional offers but it's also about not having advanced technology and safety system designed to alert you all coming together for you at the perfect moment. Don't don't miss your perfect. Moment to experience. Exceptional offers a line of vehicles equipped with advanced safety technology now until september third experience amazing at your lexus dealer. Uh-huh some advanced safety features not available on g._s. Talk about the fact that he chose p._b._c. He going to be on fox and they doing real good with the other guy the plan we gotta talk about that. You know that that's just sells browse the y'all. He looked somebody here on the earl. Spans is pay per view how big you could be my shit. I'll think i do i. Ah al davis would say back in the day win. It'd be a big as you want to be. I wonder if they're going to top rank them. I mean they don't really top rank over there. I want him to top rank income. Though you know what i mean by that right which meantime rankin take them a little slow man taken that ask about dez route no bro. He's already a well to write and he's seventeen so if you rush him he's going to be fighting grown men men in the world's away division too soon too soon. He's seventeen member member. What's it's alex lemons other care. We gotta watch how to make some money on when he when he tried again my nigga a neighbor floors junior now lost one alexander people's year coming up office <hes> injury by self. He was a year and a half years. A man can't think of top rank man anti-business. Oh yeah yeah yeah oh he loves. Oh i see alleys posted mad marriage pictures any issues namely bucket anyway. We got any other news here. We got a couple of hit right. Quick <hes> let me see. Danny white hopes to look for boxing up and running by october. Knock versus area of low peaks and one point seven. I got it. I got it marlins. Sims broadway talk about kemalist shot at the mall. He never need not even a line probably running mouse. Yo member mall assumes the pro boxer he always calls in. He's got to fight yo. They do so humbling green even tell us he was fighting this week. That's crazy. Could you tell us we just sit there and i know but like he could have been. He's been on the line but he could just easily yang. I'm i'm i'm running in the you know go. Labral bail put them paul at last light and events <hes> the the real quick <hes> hanging krista shields via zahn on ten five and flint and jose versus. Jack catch will have been mandated by the w._b. Oh and selena barrios return with victory with a first round k._o. Dan yo look at everybody knows them bra. That's crazy when you get in that work as ami you go through his comments on matt posts boxing rail trainer and former the four corners <hes> second train of of chris cobra prom. I'm tom chris colbert giovanna devante ever last who we sponsor with verified also commenting that his mom or semi marine mckinney whatever but dan that's pretty dope man. That's gotta be amazing feeling right eye out the out the that's like koby maybe coming out to the high school br as seventeen sweet man. That's sweet now. I know what lemon felt like. Lemon follow gaber abra way more than i follow veto. You know yeah man pretty much like <hes> all boxes who don't well not all kinds of some start much later in life but yeah if you don't choose go to olympic nine. You'll be happy you're you're. It'll be cursed even sent san you come out when you're very very young so in retrospect respect. We always talk numbers. Pro-grass posted that video today got eight thousand going close on nine. Valenki posted his three days ago is on six thousand thousand seven hundred so program with that one guy's world champion me. You know what i'm saying with that star power so that's it called shit. That's it <music> remember to write his five stars on itunes <music>. These calls are brought to you by el camino electrical services experts in electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation visit us at el camino electrical services dot com not see maybe based. I was the only always a the p._v._c. looking good. We got the best fighters man. If you wanna be the best we already know you go to p._v._c. Motherfucking anthony joshua didn't fight enemies because he knew he was going to be calm because you came on here truthfully to have a homecoming america coming to america that he had be- bomb into him he was a bomb so let's keep him and <hes> it's a beautiful call man have every single interview was good. Man is credited t._v. View game big big big every single fighter calling in <hes>. I haven't seen that doesn't call it. Yeah this couple who don't anthony joshua already know zone. Get you do and <hes> that's. That's it right yeah. What happened to mr. zone he around here the here man. That's my call really. I chat. Thanks for calling and brother. Thank you for continuing to support. We're going out to suleiman the skyla ella what over here too but they can't monitor. I know i should say the american conservatory. Hey how you doing go down so yeah so <hes> so yeah pointing about the fight this guy he was saying <music> and he wants to fight on over there not dom workman. I'm here to the show in <hes> you know <hes>. I have a phone that timesaver sergio <hes> <hes> but if he's five for toronto levi's kind of would you want to do these candidates <hes> you cannot have a huge problem with moves up for one thirty and decide for free. It's going to be an embarrassing loss. I think <hes> the interesting because fighting opposition and he's getting gifts by friday four on the vacant one twenty pounds when she defended offended several times and vision on the coming up to one thirty two wanted media division <hes>. I don't even think he doesn't have the offbeat can see it so i don't know he's getting that fun. <hes> as you well we use on the show and all the other people but <hes> aw that can use a wakeup call. He's fighting for position. I haven't seen a fight a good opponent yet which was good opponent then they're not the kind of countable declassified and now they're kind of kind of fires at that devante jonathan davis is <hes> opponents putting away a <unk> away very quickly trouble opponents are they did defeated yeah so <hes> i think he's so <hes> we consider signet ring work <hes> to unify vision or something like that is considered as a possible opponent or do you want to be a lot of people mentioning like the super collapse champions of doing that. <hes> i think that hurts them at their own one because it creates animosity <hes> i think think of the korea south calling these fibrous and wants to be going very strongly <hes> right now even open by did host coverage. <hes> <hes> you know gave up the bill. I think you have a a car time or one of your <hes>. He <hes> <hes> simple a phone. I wouldn't appoint up on on fighting. Somebody <hes> <hes> i was at work and ak thanks for the call. Brother always appreciate the phone listener listening doering workman definitely know what it is to need new podcast while working so so <hes> shut out to you going out to the c._n._n. Fixing pickled laptops and shit going out to our boomerang boxing dot com. You're dumb fish confronted with the data. You know what's going on is show boy h. Money mr does the boxing voice two thousand nineteen rookie year a year and i wanted to talk about version lower tease me. He's fighting on saturday thirteen with thirteen knockouts trained by robert garcia. You say you're a former world champion. The brother of mighty garcia former trainer of the year robert garcia making world champions less there right right jose ramirez his brother mikey garcia now for pal fighter in the world and i wanna talk about haney ness. Thank you so much for we're asking the w._b._c. about roy moore take versus. Hey we all know. Haiti is fighting september thirty mexican holiday weekend taking over kendall's date and we know he's right number one by the w._b._z. Why is not ducking him. Why does he keep the same energy. Would you say davis with haney behind. He's right number one the youngest million in the next roy mayweather other last how much the haiti beat tight in the swamp about in a sparring match our class and i just wanna say thank you so much the accident a great questions will date. I'm coming right back like number live. We're all right <music>. Y'all in terms of the w._b._z. Convention i'm reading more and there's really affordable rooms. They have have multiple hotels so i'm actually texting him right now to like find out. What's the papa hotel right like. I don't want to be looking into another one. In the nobody over this shit my birthday like days from the fucking october twenty nine so shit damn man with my head to get a eh marisha to fly you out man 'cause they take long when that should be your game <hes> but we got that was boomerang. We got brandon. Cincinnati talk to me. What's going on. Brennan was good. My goodness a desert notes from t._v. Jail steel lane ethnic dishes because he got. I need to link. I think there's no way you know how many people is blocked from me to go. Find a brandon like it is not set up by that. You can't even search by by name. I need his channel and i go to who his channel and hit. You're bringing beaten ninety chicken eggs. Why today title is internet trolls <hes> as far as the fight weekend. I'm not really interested in media made. I wanna see the person team. This is a good around and fight with birds. You tease me can be here. Knock out. A young roscoe is very right. Let's it would be. I do get credit for doing the harare was old <unk> russell's mersal in his thirty thirty one did not come out really make a statement shut us dogs of course you know. He's not only one of my favorite price next. He's come when famous buyers now. He's just slid. Does everything rain will really does have <unk> starting to really pot when punches and stopped cat knows under the right tutelage instructions ninety government brokaw weights that you know his greatness don't mention this scene was his next gumby saying all the right things. That's what jill gonzalez on whether it be like flooring so i'm just hoping investment a young lion stood up to coming off on another thing. I don't know if y'all see that but you've only missiles on breakfast club today yet. Real uh interview you call it taint. Eva says some of the same shit i've been standards for his own is calling out saying that's crazy. Crazy call themselves saying he's calling seven. He's coming out. <hes> pity was saying how he's afraid of east coast leg. I've we heard like the nuns by either for violent ave food mason. I don't put it and driving this komo news with guns and that's what they want to see if buying builder today she didn't like that i gave 'em channel you know he's he's already sharing so that no light up. Let's see do the numbers. The sevens should do on e._s._p._n. Yankees seven blasted him on e._s._p._n. S. should in the middle east and then so you hope <hes> what else i wanted to talk about before gun over here. Are you a ninety. Day is question bro. He was talking about the carrot that just <hes> veto on p._b._s. and you you've made it seem like you say is a better option for him as a bit now. Let's just keep it real. No you just don't use your ears. I so you say i specifically say he need that top rank route 'cause i'll rank prospects fight hill honors. I titles you. You live in a world inside your head. We just had cameron dunkin on who said he had to beg okay and the top not bring doesn't believe okay with numerous of his world champions that are certified champions pavlik multiple division crawl offer multiple division. They don't believe they believe in diet. Diet diet why you think ask about this ain't fucking sukur shakoor cause. They ain't stupid they trying to ruin a pockets. That's two champions wild. One is two two franchises why one one sell allowing north one sell out in l._a. You think i'm gonna do it because you want to see a fight. No top rank di di di di di talk headline in selling get yo ass sided braille boxing. You watch it so i do see where that listed deal trip as as you want to keep this real short sweet if you have not figured out why you need to sign up the painting on let these interview beater as a lot three dollars a month in the support like <unk> who love giving you the cycle of content no cat you know what i mean. Make sure i run down all your social media networks in express your feel to the w._b._z. as though keep them ignoring that we engaged right here our voices is being hurt right here on t._v. So salute to my goodness and that's mark on t._v. Levy a bbc media hashtag that abigail appreciate a man because thirty six dollars a year. You know that ain't shit. You know support me get my get. My man michael vizo so in studio so we have shows like this morning. I could just hook is is an cameron jersey like a gone. Not you need you need. You need a license. It's not like a new york where you can have at all but it ain't no self-defensive. You shoot me going to jail here by de story in jail writing the the judge. I wanna hear from my brace six five tonight. I'm a i'm a feeble gone wheelchair which all comes back full circle get them get get them three dollars up man so we might relocate he already done indiana to he was only if a college. Let's go on recall. It 'cause my fucking rick but i want here. 'cause i gotta be here now. Exactly you know let's put him on the east coast man with bullets fly. Let's go to <hes> joseph in texas. I i said it <hes> charlemagne said i could live in new jersey down exactly jones exactly we cross country boy that hey we got himself because we got i got we shoot. We shoot for fun out here. Yeah this weekend fight right. I wish i could make it down to see virgil keys and i think he's fighting in dallas right yeah. He dallas boy too. I mean he's a texas boy. Grand grand perez from grande prairie great yeah grand prairie from <hes> yeah. I wish i could make it now manafort. They gotta work this weekend so but i'll be catching onto zone. What i really wanna talk about is like <hes> you know that you guys see whether <hes> <hes> dan racer reported that they're looking at at as a potential partner danny jacob i tune but i just it didn't fucking cover yeah some jacobs skipping the whole fucking week one seventy five and why that's a division of chavez's coming back in mexico is not really a given that the day but i think dan refills sommese very clear in saying that it wasn't even a given that fight was gonna happen did they. Were just talking about it. Yeah todd has got to win and i think in order to justify him even getting that fight. He's gotta like blisters. Do this weekend like he's got. A look like like to travel is in two thousand ten who wade has. He looked good but he was beating up on. Nobody so he's gotta go all the way back right. There wasn't much. I feel sorry for him. I know that son of that father how difficult it must be. You know not only your own how we doing. I hope not pay close attention to what happened happened to him. You see out there training. I'll be paid way oh well. He looked better. He remember was his his his he had no. No regimen man like the do was e._s. Boza cereal is smoking pot like the liberal boca. We'd yeah get higher doc. It's amazing what the strike of nine can do for you. Though ain't it like all these years later and they're still talking about letting them fight. Danny jacobs like budget aged. I did my research this a fight. The job has been one since two thousand seventeen. I seen instagram posts of dan jacobson. Oh it looks like china is calling me out. I take him whatever whatever and then you know found shit out of it. I remember i mean he was once upon a time mountain. Still what am i think they should probably be on pay per view but <hes> joseph azzam says grassy. We're going to plug talk to me kim foot with whom anti poems off it might. Maybe want everybody for by today. You've been listening. Dan near here are bad plump a eight yeah <hes> money aqua fifty on ant and we and he's staying. You're like me kazlo inconvenient to put police as opinion. I got the money i could sit down. Okay <hes> why he paid ah zone e._p._a. A._j. Ho i'll i'll i'll hold together the beta criterion as well as yet they play gene vitrine by light edge gene at work so the police they gave my money and i would feel like i got a bit more the bit stay in memphis. Okay okay. I want my for show. Thanks thanks because we're gonna alumna inside giant portion of we call john joe what up santa win in a in a in a in a good how am i now. Am i lear- hey man out to mike. Mike sat out to you. This great work all this week. Y'all you listening out there. Make sure you make the boxing voice your choice as the voice of the people there is no equal yo man y'all doing awesome pound for pound types it yo. You know what i wanna annecy man. If <hes> virgil ortiz winces fight man wanted to see him versus durant in its man that'd be a good cross role fight for the prospects prospects. Y'all and <hes> sat out to the interview with red man. That was the best this week man also still grab man he need to be like like the head of the commission if they ever had one of all the boxing man to do to sound he on point man yeah dude man on point getting back on his show <hes> set out to all the callers all alumnis everybody into chat t._b._b.'s whereas sad head. I'm out heath thanks to carleen info joe. We got next on the docket. What what am i what is the proper term for the mm so h money on a boomer going wait a you know what's going orlando. I got my boy anthony joshua knocking out andy rees. I'm taking all bets. Whoever wanna bet me you know i heard a caller said any for mrs. You know what's up. I'm the i'm the king of memphis you. I'm gonna walk the halls right now. I'm young we can meet up any day but he's not going to be no no police station in the k b fifty dollars. You know saying you see me. See me slow. Take my money. Challenge is one hundred dollars in your fucking money is g._m. Gee i've got the money we hear haney. Nobody no money. Show me be the best in the world. I told you the next why he's my boyfriend. Why isn't the one would go get him. He's supposed to be right number one in the world. He's talking twenty twenty euro twenty. Here's how haney roman takeout already got a laws ness. Already wasa lido who got for roma tako will be underweight a little guy jerry russell. You tell me hey reagan has come on man nicholas h._b._o. Height height for real in may. We hear y'all but you're going through loma tangles resume ripping them that i we gotta go through heinous like mexico resume. He gotta let him get them face to if you if you're going to rip loma based on a resume gotta rip haney based on a resume but what we guy it looks like <hes> marcus in in d._c. Talk to me. It is malcolm malcolm oddity commodities again. I just wanted to found that in <hes> oh let's start zona because from what i hear devante. Jim don't spaw russell's jim no they don't spot them. They do rapid their head. Thanks lamont peterson anthony. Let but that's normal. That's normal. Devante is always have always trained and not full-time but we all know he's hell camps there. We all know he's tight with you and with anthony and with boehner so that's normal the the five ary is that devante can't that russell camp and some of them philly camps. It's from what i i don't know but you can tell me better form now what we've been doing it for the year. Hey hey y'all sport at a was. My man named big damani rock. Was jim defy the frigyes can y'all no no no no. We don't want that smoke. That's the hunter that's as the home of jesse har homa dahmani rot. I mean i think sunny council in light commodity. Don't want that word up and coming good good names. They don't want that small band. Nobody nobody nobody in the world one that smoke with the head thing momma h._p. For life but you were talking about the coaches jerry her oh. I think it'd be a good fit. I'm going to be defined by his right now. I gotta be got it. Let me ask you. Though do you think he needs a coach. That's in his local area or do you think it is barry hearn like are you just end up because that's a coach from the d._m._v. or you santa because you think that's the right i think that would be the coastal because if you look at berry resume what have we got great champions coming from very hunter. We got you already know we got <hes>. What's his name sean porter and a couple of times you know but i think that you gotta name everybody everybody then 'cause earlier today. She warned him became a champion and train down there. You know and l l not really not really adam been here all my life. I'm amber to okay malcolm. How many of you sixteen how twenty eight with the visit wait okay okay coming up. Okay okay when you turn pro olympics the amateur to wait out. I'm gonna try to. I'm not a pro life partner jim. I like giving these pose that were. I got a lot of those out of the meme. I'm trying to think of it was when i went down there. We did a we we. We did a competition on us but he was real thin man. I'm sure he grew up now. You can't remember the name but what they call. It is so many i know it is you guys got a hell of amateurs out there <hes> patrick harris two. That's one <hes> you know pat. That's my that's my little man. Pro now that book and be motoo bumgarner doesn't train out of there right. I malcolm take take it easy man. Thanks for calling in. We're going out to the boomerang. Joseph talk to me. I got a question for you. What would you consider marvin hagler eighty men. I'm now. I'm not i'm not a history buff man. I will have go even go get into. I mean you you hit. You hit a lot max kellerman and he he he he always put was sugar ray above everybody no matter current pass whatever you know. People just got preferences man in my preferences my generation but he put robinson which is which is weird because i don't think he ever really watched ray robinson but i was gonna ask you that because <hes> you augment for elite was one party argument was moved up a weight classes that i was gonna see how he felt about. Hagler hagler never moved up on the middleweight and he all time is probably pop three middleweight all time <hes> i would put them at number one follow by bernard hopkins but that was the only question i had for you. Yeah man you know the the thing is we weren't around for that. Man weren't around. We won't no we won't know the ins and outs that we know for instance. We got a world away fight. We know that this kid is a puncher but we also know his last fight like mike said thirty nine years old. Oh last leg of his career all those asterisks all those details. We don't know from haggles opponents because we wasn't privy to that information. We didn't have social media we didn't have you to we didn't have dozens of articles daily like you couldn't even get it like you know. I don't know man dan you know. I'm not one of those dues that get stuck in the history. Y'all history is dead they did they think i'm with this generation man with the chicago. The world talking greasy easy with the earls of the world men across like i mean dottino back in the day was back in the day mike any final thoughts discuss. Those were minds verge your to re really just see what he has to store for me this weekend. I'm like i said i haven't seen much like one or two fights but happy <hes> to get to give undivided attention this weekend other the net man a lot a lot of story lines not not a lot of this weekend so we'll see how ben show goes tomorrow and if we can make any money honey. I'm pretty sure there's this fight. Let me see would <hes> anyway. We'll save it for the bedroom but i'm pretty sure this vice. You have something <hes> s._e._o. Instagram intuit apiece apiece growth nineteen eleven r._g. Gross two three one two on twitter at times up buddy days future present pasos visibility show tell everybody managed telephone and telephone. I lotta interviews on this episode. Some good information help us share that and spread the word and we will continue to get you these big time interviews base critics agree yura and the lost city of gold is the family film. You've been searching for god. It's packed with action full of surprises and will knock your boots off a lifetime dorion. 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Sergey Kovalev Confesses to taking Canelo DIVE or MEDIA Making Sexy Headlines

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Sergey Kovalev Confesses to taking Canelo DIVE or MEDIA Making Sexy Headlines

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Going down Saturday but before we can talk about that we must discuss the twenty nine year old multiple division champion multiple titleholder. WBZ Ring Magazine's WBA's IBS. Every single sanctioning body known to man Cannella Alvarez has has captured but his legacy may be in jeopardy. His accomplishment on November second is in question five fans. Were already assuming the Cobra left took a dive. Now we get Kovalev over left coming out with some very very interesting alarming messages to the boxing public. We'll give you all all the details about it. But basically Sergei Kovalev is saying that he knew this fight was impossible to win. So the question on everybody's minds is. Did he take a dive. Did he take a divorce. Just media is it. Is this just the media out here. Begging for clicks begging for hits wishing that this tidal title. This lie brings them some sort of financial game. I think that once we discuss Kovalyev's message. I think it'll still be pretty clear that there was no dive in this particular fight. Some shrewd business tactics. It's absolutely dive. I just don't know but this is where we're GONNA be talking about if you're interested to give us your take on this as you want to let us know how you feel. You think it was a dive. You think the fix was in will call in and voice your opinion right here on the voice of the people hotline one four to five five six nine fifty to forty one press one one time voice. Your opinion on the voice of the people hotline told Cleanest Attorney Award smoke as go out to Indiana Gross Bolts speak it believe it receives speak a believer receiving Speaker Believers Chrissy. Nope I speak to feel candid bands. Old Miss to stand over. Grab one or look when the building. Let me check my instagram. I might be at a Bachelors Dot Com Yoyo Good Morning Good morning good morning sounds everybody. Identity beat the universe back with another one circuit Colin Hanlon yesterday scene. Bob Arum have his comments on and I've seen Kovalyov in cartons said that maybe the quick turnaround wasn't that good for on the site and a quick turnaround. Really really really had him tired at drain and like I do not thank you whether dive or anything like that. But I'm interested to hear these guys come on and say it was a diving house so but that's what we'd be talking about breaking down again to what's going on. What up man? Good Morning Brian. I like I I WANNA do this subject but I knew we had to do this subject I I wanted to wait. I'm going to be clear and an honest. I wanted to wait to get an official translation of this Russian video. The Kovalev himself has done. I'm I'm going to be clear and honest at all I was able to do was go to the Russian website copying pace. The Russian techs. Put it in Google who translate and bring you the information that I'm giving you. That is dare translation of the video. I don't know if they lying I don't know if they he translated it the way they want it to be perceived. I'm just going off of the texts. Google translates for me based off this box. Oxen Guru Dot EU dot website. And you know this not much we can do. We have to report on it. We don't claim to be journalists. podcasters this is a subject where morning talk folks show about boxing. This is boxing. Whether it's true or not I don't know what we will do and can do is is assess the information and make our own educated. Guess and give our opinion and my opinion is hold off until I actually give you the quotes because I do want at least give you whatever quote unquote facts. There are again. This was eight video that Cova of did on his social media. It's completely in Russian. And and you really need to use Google translate to translate now. I know we have a Russian listener. I wish he could call in today. And let us know that this was official tissue a translation. But let's go ahead and give you the techs. Russian boxers. Sergei Kovalev recorded a video in which he said that he did not believe his victory over the Mexican Sowell Alvarez it was legit right Kovalev said then the condition. He was placed in wake category and preparation time. This victory was not possible now. Mike I know throughout the entire Bilde. Mike continue to believe that Cannella had some sort of a rehydration duration calls on Kovolev. Come way in night. You know he that that secret. That cat was out the bag. You know more more headlines surface that there was a rehydration close and now we have have cloverleaf. Coming out and saying the weight category now. That's not very specific and it could fall under poor translation. Remember this this video was in in Russian Russian. So I'm assuming wake category means that weight rehydration clothes. And then he goes on to say preparation sign so. I'm assuming the preparation time he met. There wasn't enough preparation time between his yard and his Canelo Alvarez fight so I think that the most educated answer here is the fight conditions conditions were not suitable. The the bottom line is I don't believe there was a fix or a dive. I believe that as an aside condello requested some concessions that Kovolev and his greed. And I'll use the word greed purposely purposely so that you can see what this man thinks of us as boxing fans now. This isn't the first time that he's flip to to soften giving us the metaphorical middle finger. But this isn't the first time that he's given US excuses after loss. When has he admitted to losing? Which fight did he say he loss? He has an excuse for every loss. He has a reason for every loss. And yes there are concessions that canal acts for. That's up to you to accept them. I could get offered a job at ESPN and it might come with some restrictions. They might say you can never do this. PODCAST cast again if you do it has to be on. ESPN on our network. It has to be under our umbrella and we own the rights to who was so. When you leave we keep it? I can choose to say yes then five years from now when I leave them. You like Yo. Oh where's all your archives will. I don't have any because I don't own the rights to them because that was the deal I chose the sign. Cofer left chose to take this deal. No one asked him to get in here and fight Canelo Alvarez short notice no one asked him to to take the fight with yard so now all of a sudden we're going to give him a pass and say Yo. He wasn't ready heating Tom Because of him choosing a fight yard. Weren't they offering your step aside money. He took the fight with your he prolonged negotiations associations and then by taking the fight yard. He made his training camp for the fight with Coppola. His only super fighting is entire career more or difficult. And that's our fought somehow so let me just give you a little more of what this man said approaching this fight. I was so exhausted by the three preparations for battle that were earlier. That's for this fight. I did not even have the strength to be to try to beat strong. Blows those with my right hand again. The translation is poor. Because it's Google translate on a Russian Fuck in translation. But he's basically telling us you know he didn't have the Tom. He didn't have the time to recover. He didn't have the time to train And he's using it in my opinion as his escape goat his his excuse but it gets better it gets better. I'M GONNA have to translate. I thought that all the techs already translated might have it on this computer. Hold on Oh yes I do. Check this out. This guy is. He's he's a piece of work. Professional Sport is work mark. I am I am not in these sport for MED. DEUCE and awards. I am in the sport for the sake of earning that support. Russian Tran Sound Fair. It would be foolish for me to refuse such a financially advantageous offer. Of course I accept it and people who believe in my victory or ignoramuses in this sport those who made a bet on me and put money own me. Your greed is a bad joke with you and these are your problems for me. This fight was interesting. Only from a financial point of view said Cova so so basically my man is hot. He got his chance on his social media calling him a ducker call. Call him taker and he's like look. Don't be mad at me. 'cause you bet on me I tell you the bed on me stupid. This fight was a good it for me to make some money. I knew I wasn't GonNa win. That's what he's saying that's what he's saying he's not saying. I took a dive the way did you know I'm not I don't even I'm calling the media. But like you know the way that these bottomfeeders or or jumping on his video and trying to come up with the sexy enough headlines to draw in viewers the man never said he took it off the man just said this was the biggest financial opportunity of his career. He was not going to say no regardless of the conditions. That's all now to me. This is a sore loser. This is so loser who comes back out after taking the deal and making excuses now now saying well you know. I had disentis and this so I couldn't do. XYZ Okay but Last I checked you weren't the first person would rehydration close. You weren't the first person to be axed for some sort of concessions in a fight so I mean it is what it is. That's how I'm looking at it a dive that's a that's A. That's a very strong accusation. That requires some true facts You know that's not it. I Fi- onboard awards for for instance. Cyp called me all right. So I could take the fight and then turn around and say well. He said he was gifted offer. 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Even knew so I'm making I'm making an excuse afterwards Afterwards I'm giving you reasons why loss and while I was contemplating losing before I took the fucking fight. So I'm I mean I'm not giving Kovalev. No I'M NOT SHOOTING THEM NOBEL I I'm not on his side. This is just another excuse. He had the same type of excuse ward. He had the same type of excuse Alvarez he never loses because of his own doing he only loses because of the people. That's why I'm looking at it Mike. I know you lost a lot but you could just give us your thoughts I lost manmade that money was enticed by the money in for him. Come out and say that I was tired or it was too soon back to back candidates things. I just think that he's making excuses. Like you said we've seen in the World War fight we've seen it we would aberrations or it was a little bit more early in the second time around but you you you can't come out and say I had I was tired because I just thought training camels back to back weather and good for me and all those kinds of things when you knew what you were getting into. You knew before the the they weren't fight that to cover the another fight with a short show possibility and but mcgirt thought that Happened that time off would have been good for you but you just making excuses and and I really Donelson Cobham I. I don't know why we are giving this like in a of the I just don't understand like this guy has been making excuses over and over and over again. Anytime you lose. You can pretty much expected. He got his pay day. He got his money. Now you will come out and say all Elo Pygmy off at the right time I guess yes like this man when it comes to business doing business thanks it was a good business. Moved from fellow Smart Smart Strategic. Move from Connecticut in this team and covert just gotta deal with the consequences. I don't I don't understand now you can get on I guess you're Jian GonNa on the ramp in Russian which we don't fucking understand and expect us to have some kind of two for you or anything like that if everybody's attended that. This man took a dive. I think Bob Arum probably explained it. Best like there's easier ways to to take a dime you don't take a dime by getting hits hits smack DAB in the fucking pay with a right hand. It looks like you're about to be decapitated over there on the rope so I definitely think exactly. It's a Monka to win out in the corner. You know what I'm saying. He could win out in the corner like Yo wave at all from done so many ways you want on some. My marijuana actually get knocked out to fake. Did he got knocked out Bro. The the hate Israel. And that's why the thumbnail is real. That's was real unanimity thumbnail the achievements the accolades of twenty nine Euro. WBZ Super Welterweight WB L. Super Welterweight. WBA Middleweight W. B. Regular supermiddleweight. WBA light heavyweight IBS MIDWAY WBZ super welterweight ring super world's way. WBC Middleweight. To Tom's ring middleweight. Two terms twenty nine twenty nine just name another mall fucking talking. Not even floyd on not even floyd at that age would this many belts inaccuracies. Not even so stop it man they hate Israel and you know I'll see all does he could do overall overall Bra. You Eisai you to Eisai what was so so so so so McDonald took a dive. May Donald took a dive. My he took a job because he fight with the gloves that he knew he was best. That ah the gloves that he liked knocking people out with and he took one point. Five million dollars in didn't tell us before the flight it ain't come out until reporters uncovered it. Might he took a dive. Is that how it works. Is that how it works now. Everybody's taking dives then Shawn Porter took a dive. He took it off the powers that be told Shawn he couldn't be earl he took it off. That's why he failed in that round. You know what I mean. He knew it was tight he had to go go down he took a dive. Fuck I did a bunch of clown asses make no sense what what I would say is always been known. a proponent of people going and the white a healthy and maybe cola wasn't at his peak performance former. But even still you agreed to the shit saying if not it's not like a Nilo pop the fucking religion clause on you on the last week that that that wasn't a negotiated like months before so if you agree to it and you can Make it to the rain that night. Then you gotta deal with the questions we all knew that it was gonna be a tough uphill battle coming out tough Jar My why. Why are we making excuses for him? I'm not I'm not saying you making this year. I'm saying we as a as a boxing community. Because you tell me the last time did a do moved up up to way classes and he was the favourite you you tell me. The last time ADO moved up to way classes and people thought he was going with not just his fucking fan base. People thought the minute this shit was announced. I told you what the fuck it was now. All of a sudden. He took a dive Bra. Anybody that knows boxing. I've seen vulnerabilities in Kovolev. He was a cherry pop now. He took a dive because Cannella. Let me actually in my does yard have the ability in this generation to finish his career with the amount accolades can L. O.. Alvarez and chief Mrs can allow Alvarez arrest and legit fights as Canelo Alvarez I would say no because he started five. There's no way for him to go but China's all right then so why. Why is Kamilo need to take a dive if we've seen a dude that ain't never gonNA Chievo? He achieved a dude. Ain't got Have to experience. Half the elite level fights we see him almost do it can Nello needs to pay over left to fake it to do it may well. Well Fuck Smoking. The utmost best Kush of ever heard of. It's crazy. It's crazy. They hit digging like elderly. Alvarez came out of nowhere my man pays step aside money like seven fucking Tom's to Donald Stevenson and just like anthony a yard. He say I'll fight that mall. Fuck it. Oh I'm I'm a listen vomit. Show keep giving down to step aside. We're going to wait. Wait for the right Tom and his everything Sunday Gye. We'll take that we'll take that Cobra left by elderly. We like that. Yeah Yeah we like that. Let's get it got it. Gye Dissenter. No no no. We don't want blotchy. No we don't want what's his name Ho. Show Jose Jose or whatever fuck his name is is Jose Burton. Whatever his name is? We don't want him. We'll take that motherfucker though but none of them do none of Undo Sokaia dot. None of them do pay to get dive right. No they had to fucking camello skill man. But it's like I said is media making sexy headlines US because I'm getting agitated as if this is anything more than boxing haters. This ain't even true boxing fan. This haters this this haters. You tell me y'all hey man out in a row everybody mad at Gifu San. MDA dominated trumpeted now. This is adopt man on done. Whatever not even interested it? May I totally believe that was a Davos Auburn and like that but I think over that when that site not not thousand percent or not Percents but in the day you know what you sign up for for him to come out and make excuses just less bad taste in my mouth. I really didn't even give about it when I've seen the headlines yesterday on twitter Andrea Man He he will doing has been doing for anytime. He gets. Lost Kovalyov. got a couple of fights Dan. Hopefully man Retired and spent some of that could element a man. I I'm double well. This is the street. Shout T. Street in livestream. At least he fill like I feel. I'm assuming he do. He said I want that Kush. He knows they they smoke in Acoustic. got them believing. This was a dive and he said he wanted then he must be you know he wanted. He wanted to be as high and dumbers what he says so I think he agreed with me. Man Shot out you. You are watching your video yesterday on Fred. I can't believe beef man but you definitely educated me on the situation man. My listeners is actually not always oh wait I know I know. They always going out but I mean he did a real elaborate and detailed video bro like that. I should two part series. It was an insane Indo. I watched I said yesterday. He's got a lot of the documentaries on on his terror. Trevor they'd be going in but you listen. I just can't see this as Adama manage to skilled old He's talented like you know what it is. People people are upset that some of these decisions like I was a big Laura Fan. I was just as mad as as you guys when he didn't get that decision. But since then what is Kamilo done. And what is Laura done you know now just like what's another tight fight. They think oh he should have won. I should've lost that Mike Austin trout since then since since then what's trout done and was was Cannella Dan. What are you going to tell me that it took something from the morally from their soul emotionally and and that's why they haven't been able to perform better because they were robbed because I will accept that I will accept that like the same way we accept Jamaal Charles? Excuse me Jamaal Charles and his emotions after being you know Claimed the loser when he thought he won. So I will accept that. But you gotta give me a reason in canals getting these decisions in what his career all the other fights are gifts to or is it just Laura and trout and if solden and why are they so skilled that they could be Cannella so many years ago but they can't do nothing else. You struggle with Jerry hurt you get you get beat the battered battered by Bud. Jamaal Charles you know like you tell me you tell me like these. Excuses are so poor the so poor we could never say. Oh Oh may we lost against what he did he rematch them. He didn't look vulnerable again. Like I I don't get it like where this comes from. But whatever man when we let's say that the reason why Trial and Laura loss was got they they face those John. Hungry Lions at one four in Jamaal. Charles login male Gigolo in Jerry her lot of those fighters there we wanna see Connecticut to. Oh okay okay. Okay I mean I mean we would after look up. What Cannella was doing while trout was in Charlotte? I think he was fighting. Kota Oh okay yeah. I think he was probably fine. Kodo maybe maybe Cody Orleans you know I think Cannella was always doing something bigger assist. That's just the way it works. He's always doing something bigger in. Oh but what if any final also we open up these lines see what the people so. That's what matters to me. I think covert Quick Call yourself the crusher leaves with a new name maybe the fillings crushed rush. That's his name the apologised or something man something that You weigh him use newsmaker. Excuse Maker crybaby whatever you WANNA call them right now. It just doesn't it's not a good look for you you major money. You accepted the money with everything it came along along with it. That's the biggest factor like people can say Cannella put him on Causing all this Nigger he accepted all that shit because he wanted that bad he felt like a I don't I I can be anyway or something like that or just like the bag was too much so at the end of the day. Man You gotTa Sometimes you gotta take a credit for like what you did and and you're GonNa be in Kamilo is going to go on the inside the five pounds. Hopefully you can. I'm trying to go and get the title. Mike Dimitri Devaux or somebody like that. But I doubt you'd be Let me check this out. So what was it like the bright for them in two thousand sixteen may twenty-first right. Two Thousand Sixteen may twenty first verse. Two Thousand Sixteen may seventh. Cannella did a pay per view would admit conso you write. That could've been the town right there. Let me see Cannella had the. WB SEE super. Middleweight title. With the Jamal have at that time. IBF only or goal for the IBM because he'd be bondage he for Jamal for Austin for IBF so canal could a unified. Ibm He Austin. I'm all Austin's box wreck. So he fought he fought Charlie for the IB. But so here's the thing he could a unified. But I'll ask you because I know you know that's why that's why Coz I know that you you know. Even though sometimes house you'd try to play Devil's advocates. Who knows where you'll go? Now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money. 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Dot Com's slender provide personal loan for up to five thousand dollars for people like you and me even if you have good credit man. I'm always short. On cash. CAN FORTY-THREE MONEY DOT com helped me get the money. I need any fast. If you need extra money fast forty-three money dot com. Just have a checking account and a regular source of Bitcoin go to forty-three dot com and you can get the low you need now regardless of your credit go to forty the DOT com to get the money you need fat. WWW dot four three money dot com directly into the address bar. That's forty three money dot com or three IMO ANYWAY ANYWAY DOT COM forty-three money dot com this today that being said what is the big fight. What was the biggest by two thousand sixteen single? My you was Jamaal Charles Give Kinetico six hundred thousand or even go with the with the secondary four hundred twenty five. I think the bigger fight a time where the conflict but right after that the that that fights both guys May just going back L. revisionist history. I did think that possibly a fight between Jamal in a delicate sometime in September. who by next wasn't landscape now? It was Liam Smith and that's what I'm saying like He. He unified lamb snail. Or did he did he unify. WBO or did he dropped dropped. The BBC Lampton. Let me see here. I just WANNA see Charles. Oh Two thousand sixteen. He fought in December versus Julian and Williams. And that's the thing is people know but people keep forgetting that people like Yo Canelo could. He ducked Charl but we we the boxing fans. We weren't demanding Charlie Cannella. We were demanding Charl Julian Liam Williams. We were saying we were saying. y'All don't Lee would you talk about. You can't wait. You GotTa Fight Williams. We wasn't saying that but boxing. Some fans of fickle we we. We can't remember but we've done podcast all year for the last ten years just as as consistent as we've done now obviously listen more consistent with the seven day week show now in the last two years but is documented man. The boxing fans was calling for Julian. Williams Jamaal Jamal and I'm not going front can't be Aligarh. It ain't like Karlo and everybody isn't calling out Cannella. That's their big ticket. You fight but in terms of boxing fans. There wasn't this or I will say the demand for the Cannella. Charles fight wasn't as equal as the demand demand for the Charles Julian Williams fight Excuse me I would agree because like when I started watching boxing. A lot of people were saying. Charlie don't Doug Jillian Williams before you go to wind. Sixty don't leave without defending against mandatory and things like that so I would agree that more people are are were. We're talking about child. Fight Julia Williams at the time. Then they were talking about A canola but like like you said Charlie again was still called Eh EPOCA. Now listen listen. Everybody's calling our Cannella and Charles Definitely Char lows both definitely were call all the now canola But again my my only thing so that is what was the biggest. What was the big fight was going to the beach? Arlo I think that it could have had some potential for success if they would have kept it in Texas you you know because shortly after that fight Cannella in Texas with Liam and did well well well well in Maine Maine so he did three hundred and twenty five thousand views Liam and he did like forty thousand tickets Liam so the the question is could have brought in an extra two hundred and seventy five thousand pay per views to match Mikan or did canal do so well in the Liam Smith fight after the Amir Khan pay-per-view gotta remember. It was back to back pay per views. Oh boy it was triple play. Then he do Kodo kind and Liam all on paper view then charged at the Holy Shit. Yeah that was pay per view to now one of these have been pay per view maybe the Liam was free a Liam Liam was definitely remember that three twenty five bucks so what was it. CODA votto was Koto pay per view. I believe Koto might have been shrill oh HBO. Because I don't I don't remember no number even though official like one hundred thousand pay-per-view now I don't know I just know that landless American in Beers with the show. So let me see this theory. Here Charles Twenty nine so I mean the the boxing fan theory he is. He's too young for Kinetico but Laura and trout. Were you know young too. Do I don't know man. I don't know hard to say duck and man with his resume. He's ducking but he fought Gennady twice like he's ducking but he fought chivers and Jacobs now is fighting them like I just don't know man it's hard for me man. I'm I'm I'm honest boxing. Fan You know I guess that that data window of opportunity was there in two thousand and sixteen. It was there he had an entire year to get that fight. Gone with. Charlie ro But the question remains the same economics didn't make sense honestly really don't matter anymore though. Gaza four anymore Cannella. Not even at one sixteen more up in the sounds. It don't be fighting at once. Jamaal Charles Manson fight. You're going to have to go up to once again. Try to challenge lower. Get in one of those sanction bodies to where here's the fight One loves champions but the same time I mean Young America It is what do they both have their own path justified. The Dow boxing public would like to see in the canals. Known saying going to keep on doing Thing like you said I guessed Desportivo Boxers Kinda crazy guys Sometimes guys got to do something to to get a fight. I guess been imposition. Russian is not good enough. You know is going to be interesting. which way he goes now? The walls are starting to close in. Like if you're Cannella hater. Almost every direction that he turns is a is a good fight like Ganapati Colin Smith Bill. I mean anywhere. He turns who else is there right. He got he he could always you know if he who does he do. You think is more dangerous in his mind is gone naughty more dangerous more dangerous because he could always turn around and be the people's champion. Be like fuck. That I'm the Franck Franchise Tampa WanNa fight the WBZ champ and because again and only reason I'm even thinking of this is because he keeps trying to give triple Geeta cold shoulder. So who else do you fight if if not triple g but you got it's gotta be a winnable fight so you know. That's why they did the over the with the concessions that they did they gonNA try try to ensure their win. You know what I mean. I'm looking at a p maybe Jamaal Charles is a bit more dangerous. Because there's the the unknown factor with Jamaal Charles the UNIX right. The youth because the Lufkin's thirty seven thirty eight years that you've end the unknown like you've been rain twenty around with our already so you you know what to expect which Charlie maybe not know what to expect. You may take surrounds the kind of fill out so I do think that Jamal. Maybe a little bit more dangerous driest than Right now maybe economic feels the same way too because a good night wasn't willing to go fight tomorrow Challah when when a the WBZ mandated but we got some super chess coming from A Lotta people starting with Brandon Maurice. This is one of the rare times I agree agree with Mister agrees with the covert thing and logical man. Come on Yo. The Bob said a better man. There are easier ways to take adopt wad punishment. He took he could he could have got out of that. Fight in the third round the forefront a second round and save life on his body we all know he has to fight deal with disown if he lost so like. Why put yourself through? ooh Then but now he took the Daf he wanted to make it believable for you one thing one thing fucking her by saying Shit easy way to take a dived housed. I know I was like well. What's your home? Call see no bra. I'm most evil knievel around man he'd been around like how you promote evil knievel jumping Grand Canyon. You know you officially want the seat. They're sitting back then. I mean I guess it was Kinda be. He's gotta go on a bike but I'm sure big man. I only see the Grand Canyon like right when you fly in over. Come in and it's just like imagine somebody trying to jump that Shit they bother you. Imagine all Biden. Looking down he cook. It came come up short shit. We got another super chat. Show that I'm sorry Goes there but I don't WANNA lab. They could try to the the Kenya come up short. Come on man. That's funny shit like dangerous. Should I'm dangerous like why are you doing them. I'm sure but anyway Rod Eighth Annot says not fixed but coverdell forward a little aggression. Yeah I mean listen if you watch the fight the mini the he lets his first right hand go cannella counters. The shit out of him. You know you become hesitant man you know yo if someone is better outta the new they can tag shit. How'd you look at? What can Nello Cannelloni Four? Floyd Floyd was that much better than it didn't matter he just kept tagging them and not being hit so I don't know what they ended. I did notice enough. I kept their mental pressure on a day. That necessarily make you feel. Oh like something is coming at you so it makes you know something and can just picking Azoff all night with Look Casey to me man. I mean Broyard we did. We did man. That's the obvious reason right. There's like yard did what he did. How can Nello not get a knockout? Come on guys come on his levels levels to this man a yard and can Nilo you can. Novels on a Penthouse yardages moved into building. Okay as Depayre says if you think it's dive. Don't watch break. You thank you man. We got some fucking logical box fans out here not these fucking run into new headlines seekers man. That's what I'm talking about the truth Mukamal. We Watch boxing. We know it was skill is is man we know we knew cove levels vulnerable. Let's start man. We knew he was vulnerable. We knew it we knew fucking and fucking Mike Poor Mike pour might losses whole fucking life savings on your lies in the camp. He was big in that shit up for fucking two years. So here's man. Everybody called in here. Yo Man I don't know much about your but you know that young man you know what lies in the air by role with your now all of a sudden Nisa Dav fucking clown faces a shot to my anti yard. Man Lies in the campaign with Becca rain. We got a check from Rod. A Central Connecticut did nothing to force him to fight that way. I think we can agree slightly but I do. Thank thank another with their pressure. May Kovalyov And made him do things he didn't want to necessarily do in the range of those jabs whose accuracy is better yards canellas studying to close it so then what the fuck me. So don't you take these one. In order to the body Cannella was affecting cove left. I mean I I swear. I don't know what these people watching guys number coming from. Cj Mike while you legend edge of man get on your looking like Carlos. BOOZER's gallows building their diplomas One says the issue happening with another is that he never fights people in their prime or even on the even plant main Lauren. Trout wasn't a prom and I get it. Oh Mayweather wasn't in his promise on either. You know but not not to go post back as Abraham beat me weather now but he fought him in his prom saying he challenges himself. You guys think about it. His promoter said No. Don't fight that South Pole now. I'm fighting him but he just be Kotto usable Mucus Still Kotto Mexico. Puerto Rico No. I'm fighting trial. No no no no. Don't fight don't fight mayweather no no you gotta do it at fifty four. Don't I'm fighting them at that catchweight. No don't fight. Laura Cuban Stars Boring. WE AIN'T GONNA sell no paper. Views is like like fucking Apollo's trainer. Say so wrong for you. We will need that. He fought him he fought him. You know what I'm saying. WHO WHO? Oh no he's scared. He's as good as triple j duggan triple j gave up his belly duck and trump. He fought him like okay so so so mike is it that because he doesn't fight him when we want we gotta discredit them and I can get that because people would say well ness the age Riley. He's he's fighting guys not in their prime. So how much do we discredit. Because what I don't understand is if this blueprint is so successful for Cannella to fight all these old guys right all these thirty six year old forty year old dues with a name and become popular and become the face of boxing and sell millions of pay per views than others. And everybody. I mean Charles for the forty four zero. Oh Fuck in Canine bunch for his belt. Why hanky find more old dude so he could get popula why he didn't move up to fight Cobra left so he could get popular? I don't understand his logic. But you gotta be able to generate the money Joseph Robert Garcia said at this at that point at that time. Don't forget Heyman and go off in. All States or prohibited by law loans are subject to lender approval see website for detail fleet week. We tell me. Where'd you get that money man? Oh this money came from forty three money dot com right or are you saying you went to forty-three money dot com and got all that money when you need it fast man you know it. I went to forty three money. Dot Com yesterday and Bam. Five grand was in my count today straight up now hold on forty-three Money Dot Com helps you get five five K.. Like that Tim man. 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Dot Com forty three money dot com. So they were doing business they were doing a bit Sixteen so they even. Yeah Amen to put weren't doing business. It's a good point. Two on a definite embodies at the same thing like back in the day like those got there they mark together. So it's Kinda hard to fight when you don't work with other motors in Alexander Williams says Mike Tyson vs Bruce Seldon look like Hey dad southern guy. Ko K- oh by point that didn't even laying go look at the fight supposedly died. I clip All twitter ended definitely worth a dime Didn't even touch it. But he started flopping around the ground like a guy at Harvard in last but not least we got one from s g pass could never. Is boxing art that embrace it not hate it. You know what I need. That fucking connects he. Whatever however they fucking what's it called they're National anthem go bro. We gotta get y'all Jimmy. Give me a little doggy. Give you a low. He saw no word. I think that's what they say. Anyway let me go out to these callers and sponsors man. We're GONNA open up the phone lines tell the truth. Listen that's all all you can do is give us your opinion. You know that's your truth you know is all good. I just choose not to believe the Click Bait and don't forget the main crux of this episode where this show to take a dive there. That's a little bit we WANNA know from. The people boo from the from the boxing fans from the spectators. Do you think the Coppola went out there and took a dive by getting punched in the fucking face inhabit says inside the ropes. Let me know yeah because like Bra is like how many times do we sit here. My and we'd be like I'll I five four million dollars. You don't hit box okay. So are they taking a dive or are they saying for that kind of money. I'm willing to go in there and take an aspirin. You know what I'm saying. I'm not going in there with the incentives losing. I'm going in there with the intentions of knowing I'M GONNA get my ass b but the the reward is a million dollars if I can win. That's a cherry on top but it aimed at DAV is different. I mean I'm I'm trying to get different metaphors man that help people but I know I know you go only leader fucking host water. There was the best one day in town right. If we we've all said I'll fight him for it. He I take the fire. But you gotTa admit like you may get an array. It may look like you. You took a dive. no-one said even though you might go out there and try your hardest. It may like e you took a dive in for for for Cobra. I can't sit there and watch the site site inside the covert the to do. I believe the Liberals one hundred percent going into the rain. He looked skinny. Wait for way but way why. Why any any been one hundred percent Mike so many times? This is what I'm saying. We boxing fans all fickle. What the fuck do we want? We see him Begley middle worst wild which world commit for me to do a wishing to find me. Give me tell you what it looked like this with the fuck it looked right. Yes yes if maybe you aside Yuka fucking space it out and have a fight in January have a fight Joel and then finished shot in December. But you ain't the aisaw we saw this. Would it looked like when you try to fight more than twice a year sold them said especially on this level. You not a prospect. They can fight in a clubroom times a year and is okay. You know what I'm saying. You big time fighter. You've got to get dates. They gotta hold. Venues is so much that goes goes into a big time promotion like you you look at the scale of that operation. Every time we did we more more impress would autozone is doing man. Come on Dame boxing fan by van man. You're not a boxing fan. If that's what you're wishing on your sport put out to say about. That is the reason I say. I don't think he was sent because he's been on show many times if you're able to make the way it isn't matter what what you re Rehydrate Kutu and I believe that may be Is What Hinder Cola and that fight. But like I said earlier in the show he knew going in from the job what was in the contract and how much money begin bay a he made a executive decision to take the site. Regardless of what you do that you got fucking pay the Piper just like we gave For Mayweather credit when when Cannella with one with two wins like you struggle that fight you know what I'm saying. We gotta give a the same amount of credit because the same kind of thing happened. We're not there ain't gonNA stop stoppage against Yemen. I'm I'm here in It just seems like a lot of people really got issues. Shoes were low in his reign as being the face of boxing I guess but all he did was take towards for Mayweather Siachen covering this long enough to know there. May whether wasn't getting the love that he gives. Now come on Bro. I was on the other. I was on this side of the MIC. Like maybe we all need fuck get mcdonagh to that. was that was a four easy. Even if you'll get Donna five floyd still one every single round after five like we never needed that we never accident. You know plenty. We wanted fucking Margarito. We wanted the Paul Williams is plenty shit we wanted from floor. We wanted Koto young mark fucker. You know not when you fought him. We wanted them when he was in his prom. Since people use that where we can Nilo you know was bowed demand somehow and his fucking prom are your primary burden Mayweather's great now because he retired. And and you gotta you gotTa compare someone to someone. So that's that's the that's the ball. He set the ball Soha. Now it's like oh no me but BA. All he did was take over as the face of boxing for me whether and because of that he has to receive the same amount of hate the May whether gut but they called him. Chicken mayweather gay weather come on. How many names that they make up for Floyd Bra Natty natty loving them now saying he's great but he got? He received the same hatred when he gave us. That Robert Guerrero fight. We was like what. What does he get a pay per view? Nobody nobody will win. Floyd hit Victoria. Tease as with the chiefs shot. Oh so that was cool. Now we forget. But that was cou could Floyd Floyd Floyd radical lists right right. That's even a word for protect yourself at all for Joe. That's the rule. Protect yourself through all the fun Gotti. He robbed me of a fight. Mike Party more fucker. So is so not so because he had bought. But what I'm saying is less. Stop acting like he was perfect absolutely. He received the same amount of criticism. Saying hey set yo. There was videos dozens millions more fucking Kenny Belus were infamous for going at Floyd. Come on now all of a sudden now. He's perfect. Camilla is shit no Cannella just took a spot and when you were at the top everybody got got something to say you at the top you at the niggers looking at chew. You're not looking at them. They're looking at to you at the top stop reminds me of my favorite movie Man Batman we're not my favorite move by one of the Batman deduct the Dark Knight. You either die a hero or you live going up to become the villain. Absolutely I remember I know so true and so fitting for this you right in the day. That's that's what fans are like like we might you. Oh my God you're genius. Say That should again either. You die hero a heroin or you live long enough to become pretty boy. Floyd wasn't a fucking fucking hero. He wasn't a gold medalist. Got Rob The fucking American. The hope the dream and I shouldn't get him nowhere. Any turn into money you may the villain. Oh my God might be so smart. Let's go out to these callers. Manas loses let them be. You're part of the greatness. 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Get that far canal. The Chew Chew Chew doesn't do Weight clause generations and Shit like that even though floyd did it. But they're he's doing detrimentally. Doing right after songfire Jimmy Pool six months or three months Train as calm as pretty boring we already know this. All right. Yeah I love. I love how you know. He reminded me of that. You know they say canal away canal away. Due catchweight Floyd catchweight would the toughest fighter his career. Nah I I love it though I love it I love it. I love it. We're going out to L. A. C. Y. P.. Oh my God you know what's funny about this show man i. I'm almost one hundred. No no matter how on giving us for Little Queen and your air tanks tomorrow said reported out everything that we thought see. That's the difference last time makes it a student. He gives new ones after the fight everything he said now. We figured that during the fighting before the fight he just seven yard moby. Say No. He'll liar because it's the one I heard you. Just now. You can no credit for his loss. I May with it but I heard you yesterday. They tell him tell him. That's Rosa two. He should he lost his. Oh give credit losses but today you are lost. That's all people got to do is bring up and they're gonNa Watch you watch you squirm. That's exactly what you do it. Then you talk about Guerrero. Grow was a mandatory so talks. Call them again. See The problem with mandatory when it comes depending on who they are conducting fucking sea floor. Hip take them on. So what is about money audie view next day. It's about making mind Nello. Lastly yellow is not face a box. And here's the face of Mexican boxing age as the face of the UK. Boxing in wilder is the face of American boxing. As of now every Fox tumors every big sporting event. You see all the time. While is the new face of boxing because the face of boxing. It's always the guy who's second. Thank you impossible to be the face of box in three hundred and twenty-five pay per views man chill-out Chan. Don't the wild demand. Let's just let him bubble. We don't let him bubble he on a slow build. We gotta just stay behind and make sure you pay per view. Tell you friends the by the pay per view But let's not get carried away with. What are we to Saito over the last couple of weeks? I've been seeing more and more for a more and more people say with speeches said like water the phase of of of American bugs while champion wilders as guy that we looked that we want to say so. Hopefully this baby view north saying translate Sosa Ortiz. Yeah that's what we're going the need I mean. You can't take a position without taking the position you know. It's easy for me to say that canals the face suboxone because it's pay per view numbers indicate that it's easy for me to say the canals the face a boxing because when he went to zone he got a three hundred sixty five-million-dollar do is easy for me to say the Bison because when he aired on zone versus Daniel Jacobs they reported the first spike in subscriptions so as easy for me to say. What's facts now is also easy for me to say that while the only three hundred and twenty-five is also easy for me to say that this is on his only second pay per view? It's easy for me to say that he's older than Cannella. So how are are you the face a box and again. I'm I'm I'm just a little confused. Do we want you to be cool. But you got to take that position before you can take that position ocean in Hill. Good wouldn't that smell better with farm-rich Mozzarella sticks in front of you. Yes yes fine. 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And you can get the low you you need now regardless of your credit good forty-three dot com to get the money you need that. WWW DOT money dot com directly into the address bar that's forty three money. DOT COM MO ANYWAY DOT COM forty three money dot com. It's just that simple. I really think Fox. It really helped them Celtic of us this week and I don't know why but just by being on Listen I hope so Mike I mean you and I both were here and and we put advantageous numbers in the air right we we we were. We were thinking I said what a million I think you said two million like we were where wilder supporters. We want him to do well but we can't put them in a position that he's not yet. I'll talk if if anybody I mean. Who is the number one face a box of right now I would have to say Cannella read the main. I mean listen I mean it's it's fight week isn't it okay. Then you tell me. Where's the FIDO rivals? What it ain't start yet? What time is it going to be in front of our number on Tuesdays? What's today Tuesday? Okay so what's the problem is Vegas That'd be later on if they they stick to the script by they deal with show importing in many backyard. All it should happen today so hopefully they don't deviate or or or go away fido Ravel's at two o'clock and I'm one one assume this is Pacific Standard Chart. Yes Sir w five time. Maybe we'll have a little something something at that event that we can come our very own. ringwald Danny AK Cannella swith. Daniel Alvarez is going to be covering this fight right. He'll tell us how it feels. I'm actually going to him. Because he lives in Vegas just to see how it feels any any banners any any billboards What's he feel? Does he feel. This is a big fight week worship BBC ABC like a podcast road. We can see what is going on. I remember when we were able to see what was going on at Kinetico's by just another just another comparison in promotion saw saying listen you the videos from the fight we want you would just wagner around huge ca great huge because people want to not ought. Yeah exactly. Hey Man. I totally agree to. They are going to be the the American boxing but the on off here and a Lotta Myself And ignored the numbers. Cannella load like put up consistently. I wish it was that easy. That you could just get all knockouts and be the face but you can't because people still people's argument Toyota's otas day is resume. So wow does doing that now. And he's lined up to do that now so he will takeover or can take over. I'm just trying to figure out like I know the different era. Ah Mike Tyson was guy down just like wow. They're going to say very interesting guy All that on some people said that ain't nobody coming up either but he was able to make that translate into superstardom. Doing big numbers on pay per view in high guarantees. Making all kinds. The money having fucking a pet tiger all kind of crazy shit like I don't know why the American public and that really like reacted to watering saying. Because they need to see see that more and hopefully this is done that but we talked about. How difficult was it for us to find the the four part a series bra luckily luckily now I subscribed youtube channels so as she comes to my feet now I watch the bring about it last night? When wilder said he had a traumatic experience in the river when he was younger chair? Yeah that was new. See that was new for me. You know and look. He had us on that river and he didn't tell us that. So that's what I'm saying. People still need to get to know him like I remember being a kid did with my dad watching a van the Holyfield in his Atlanta House just running his big and just being amazed like God. I tennis dude. Houses huge look like a form you know. I was a kid living in the building so so you know what I mean. They let me see Hbo Let me see that. And that's what they need to do while he has a fantastic house. Huge property was so much land and they showed us two seconds of him running running this forest and and people don't even know that that's as far as unless odds ovum. Because I was there for that scene. You know workforce Wayne's running when he's he's running. Oh Oh oh yeah. That's that's that's that's about an elevator that he cutdown remember when he went to the forest it was by towards the left where it was at Vermont but remember the hill with the elevators to the right eight towards the towards the driveway around the bat because the Lakers that way in the mountains was like the left he had a shed and everything over there so listen all I'm saying is they need to give us more. You GotTa understand your. I can't even believe. See why he would say that right because like how long has been on television for all right like Lovelorn the do I'm a I'm a pull it up on the do love more on the do I seen that on. HBO Latino in Two Thousand Ten. That's nine years fucking American arrogance. Television Minute Calls Bowden we dig it to see that too we. We got the C. O. H. B. O.. We got to see Jose. Miguel Koto and Ooh Shit Canelo got hurt. We see that on television. So that's fucking fuck in two thousand and ten BRI I. I don't think we see Leonardo tyner on TV. I don't think we've seen that but Koto I know we seem Koto. Catch him with that mall fucking shot on the roads and he buckled. So we're talking about nine years when the first time we seen deontay wilder on TV. What's what's the first night? Lie Kovic. Maybe when no I'm Chad I'm the champs. I had that he was on show box first of all agree on. ESPN SPEAR I. Let's see let's see let's see let's see I've been following for a while and I don't I don't even know maybe I think maybe lie Kovic I'm a double chain Teddy. Did call allowed or sites absolutely absolutely so two thousand thirteen was Lycopenes that was fantasy springs India last when he was with with golden boy he for all the Harrison in Australia. I mean excuse me. UK In Two thousand thirteen I see Mexico Los Angeles Kelvin price that was tv but that was show box. So let's keep going back. Maybe maybe maybe that was the first one now might have been the first one Kelvin Price. I was on the ESPN look -cause. Look this one this one. Before prices prices Damian McCreary and that was in costume Messa Outta. I don't even know whether I said but it's in America but I never heard of that place and then the one before that was in explosion. HALMO I don't even know what asset so I mean none of these news on TV. David Long Myron Hanes Hanes Jesse. None of these do this Tuscaloosa. 'cause I was home. Fight with Owen back. You know what I mean the I I was covering price with the blue shores. He knocked them out. I I do with the bid in an insane knocked them out And then the next one will he went domestically. So you know that wasn't on TV. He only Harrison Harrison was on TV but in the UK then he went to showtime for the fantasy springs with the live coverage knockout Nick no maybe I'm backwards copuntries. HBO Neglects Fertile. Was Show Box Obama. Both me Scott. TV So Connecticut got three years on them three years. So you can do in three years so a right. He guys if I know. HBO which was machine back in the back in the day. That was the only machine you that the also you had an advantage. You had an advantage being on that network man. There's no denying that bro Floyd Floyd's career was HBO. He went to show Tom already with the power. I don't know where we're going down. Rather at twenty four seven nine was what is. HBO Like Best Best Show than they tend to be used. We got Robert Boney. Boomerang talk to me do you. Do you want me to just go with the with Robert. I've always kind of said the whole name and that's because it escaped I I is automatically read it. It just rolls off in the chat in the chat on bond boxing boxing boxing. Or whatever. Whatever now I just call? I'm going to go to the topic. Kovalevsky man he knows. He didn't take no dive. He did take a dive against the ropes when he got here with that right hand. Don't give me this. I've been watching which of boxing too long grew up in it He he always got an excuse. You know what I'm saying like canal pushed him. Forward pushed him backwards. The whole fight fight stood in his face goes missing punches he got caught with counters. He he's just yeah he's older older fighter. Okay so Nello you know. Canola got hit a few times but definitely got a chin on him. Boy I'm GonNa tell you I've never been a Cannella guy myself. Always liked what he brings and when he was young long fighting you know fighting the people that he fought when he was younger like mayweather when he was young. Todd a lot and you could tell after that faulk Cannella allergists turned into this beast that nobody wants to stand in there with man. I mean I gotta give Cannella his do and you're right hundred percent this you know I mean when you on the top everybody wants to bring you down. You know you know. And that's what I see here and then I'm GonNa go to this topic real quick. I got a few seconds As as far as being the face of boxing man I travel over place for work and everybody knows Cannella even even casuals know who can Nello it. Cut It cut a minute thirty bomb. We'd be back to you on your boomerang from Rodney separate. Oh what are those those numbers slash three fights on zone but the quiet EMOJI men of well. We know we know that. The Jacobs Fi brought in a million international views a million plus and six hundred thousand American views and we know that the Jacobs Fi was was the reason for them to come out and say something at all up until that point that kept saying they were a private company and they have to release numbers and that's because they had nothing the new show Mike but when you got sons show you show you know what I'm saying Y- Peacock fucking pulses chess out. 'cause you know looks good so give her buddy man that somebody had posted no saying that I was seeing what Earl Spencer's Shawn Porter donor. Rafael Week in their fight in there like whatever they did like seventy five thousand like google searches downs like Google search. Do you know what they've been hanging. Yeah Billy Joe Saunders. They did now over a million impressions yet but that but we know it's a different. Listen Look at look and my budget by being on the fucking car. I understand that is more used like that but man that that that that was shocking to me. Let's entirely entirely different audience. That's why what did I say I said can Nello needs to be there and he didn't go to Saudi Arabia. Like why I haven't met both. Why not have all your filers shit saying neagle in in talking listen? They didn't do the survey for nothing. Mike an in an added need them to put out a survey to know when I see Radio Rahim's post fight interview over a million on Yo. Oh doggie there is no boxing youtube channel. That gets a million views in a day. In very you don't happen from post fight interview. You got a million views from the loser. He wasn't even the winner. Which one I the local partner window I had over a million and that too? And that's what I'm saying only time boxing scene numbers like this was a mayweather McGregor for the me you in everybody was on top of that Shit. Yo Look at the God damn. It's only been ten hours as she got four million views. Oh my God I hope these guys stick around like that's all we could wish for. Was that these people that came out. Nowhere remained boxing fans. And that's all we hoping for with this shit man but is so many people that got the game fucked up manny. They want a separate us as folk disowned those all about seeing all about ESPN so all about boxing. Be It's going to take a boxer Fox alike Adrian runner I say Adrian Brian. 'CAUSE I didn't think of it in my mind that mingles with like the Internet celebrities that instagram North San now. We need somebody that that that is more. Skillful going to be a better boxing. Adrian mean to cross over to that. You two were that that gaming were Adrian. Home Kassai come on on this Bra. Listen offered valley or prohibited by law loans are subject to lender approval see website for details fleet week we tell me. Where'd you get that money? Phone Man Oh. 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This business employed bringing subscribers in for Adrian Bruneau Empha- Adrian Brodie. He's GonNa gain massive our load account of Nassar. Though you put them into right with Kansas. He'd fuck out on me. We'll see you like to forget about the state champ. Once you name the last time agent Bernadotte Knockout Man Lamey last time Adrian brought them within a one old novice. I tell you probably like if if I find. He's a cruiserweight man. Jor Damage was the heavyweight. He's a cruiserweight. You've seen this team. Disrespectful you see his team you see his team by Dude Sack Jeff. Mayweather fight four year. He's a professional boxer. Five time world world champion. Come on come on. But we got some coming from degrade junior comparison time wilder Brazil flight on and it's not okay to Kinda carry. US to Mexico So the look when you do that. I mean it's easy to have showtime showtime On his car you fucking Cable Company tells channel. I'm black solar. I can watch it now going out and actually searching for download the APP sign enough signing up putting your credit card info that shit take balls. Some people can't do that in Dan. Water fight lasted many thirty so it could have been a number of the denied. It will put a win longer. Says listen wilders. Destined to to be a star but he needs the exposure. And he's like he's getting it now he's getting now. I mean Bro. When you see blue bloods doing four hundred thousand hits on a fucking on out the talent responding to a retired football player? Who wants the box Fox? You know. He's starting to blow it but he's bubbling right now. Let the Ma'am bubble letting mother or think about why. I think That I was Plessey. Surprised about is when he said. Yeah I do W. W. Two. I thought about it all the time ago but he aims man. I'm fucking instill Shit. The fact that he stayed he's still would doing awesome. Like don't don't don't look. Don't rule it out. Yeah don't really concerned conferred dude. Plenty of boxes did it throughout the history. No say so like. I said that he's still has an open mind about that. I think they can draw the largest. Don't get wider and go. The home ain't a better character. Come on man when you think of wrestling more intimate and looking fury look like a fucking Joe Schmo had ask Kane and he got he got the hoes like that Shit. I I understand that man but let's get back to these callers join. The SAM says a decline champ went into a fight not expecting to win took over love. Your loses dinner. Mitchy believe he had no short. I mean no shock back in. It's not a dive. 'cause we believe there's a better way to take the same guy who in the bushes to beat up a woman so he thinks it was a dive. I mean he's he's saying pretty much like what I've been saying like you know what you're getting into and even though you you're you're probably weighing in at peak smoke a performance. Dan You go go in half hearted then you possibly nude hold that make it stopped or may lose but that's no different than what you said about a five million dollars as a fan so it is what it is doctoral says nothing show some love Pterodactyl the either UK and we got one coming back from degrade junior again while is the thirty four. ESPN world's most famous athlete Nello in sixty four those on twitter art art misleading. Impression is don't equate to To convergence I'm a marketing specialist. I that's a good point to as a damn good point point right there That thirty four on the most famous athletes in the world and I think probably We did an article on that it was based stove. The fact that wilder has gone viral because of his knockouts they use twitter instagram. US All the you know Social media media to tally up and obviously On that show we defended him he gets viral knockouts. The day went viral and and still is you know the Brazil the ber main people making fucking that cartoon. I didn't watch but you watch you. You know they make that out of his fights like you know you ain't see in Florida turning into new cartoon in any highlight reels. You know what I mean. They they making those wild. And that's what I'm saying he's bobbling. He's bubbling but let's stop acting like fucking last you. Things were different. Stop acting like two thousand eighteen. He wasn't is an accepted. fucking flat fees. Joe is his time now. Let them blow but China. China change the narrative. I mean that's that's my Ajab. I do that right. Man stopped that. Let me get to some of these callers man who we got. This wouldn't Alabama talk to me. No and we're we're we're stunner see maybe Blah towards down like it always this tunnel started. We hear you start out. Was it good. Thought all right Let me just say this. After hearing this Canola Cobra Left News News and then listen and the discuss it for the last hour. Let me just say that. Y'All live like reinforced. The very assault saw idea that PBC needs to create their own belt. 'cause I mean you you if you will see for an example right y'all remember when Connor McGregor Nate Diaz. At first time right he was the one forty seven champ. He was called out by. You know boy then. He jumped like two three weight. Classes assist go. Fight him right bribe. No Clue Wichita compare that to Cannella compare that Nello. Nobody was asking him to go fight. Kovolev there was absolutely no buzz. Do put a re let me. The CONOR McGregor requested Nate Diaz Way. A certain weight did he put the rehydration clause on them. No now this is this a farce and then for the last hour you guys sat here and I try to justify you know can do and everything. He's done you guys. Tried start to bring Carlo in to try to devalue other fighters names to bring up Cannella like such a joke so what the PVC really needs to separate from all these dudes that you guys were like hearing like go to defense for using rehydration clauses like separate from these dudes Walk Nello hands picks opponents. He just had this the suspect right and now talking talking about coming up coming up very bad performance great twisted before you cut him out. Now I've been on his show and I've been speaking about three hundred clause numerous times so I don't even know what from but if you're a fighter and you know L. Doesn't a contract in you still choose. The SEPTA who found is done with a simple question. Sir I understand. What was he being greedy by Gordon? Something out let me ask you. Let me ask you. You say that the face of Boston you say that. He's good technical boxer. Why would do need to use rehydration clauses on anybody? Let me ask you numerous sometimes. Nothing can say but you do realize under the new PC motto under the new. PC model you will not be allowed to put rehydration. Drake causes on any opponent. You will not be allowed to jump from any division you will not allow. I can't I can't remember this is second cau- aw two days in a row with all these facts about this. PBC Bell when he knows he's just making this up. I'm I'm waiting for them though. Those facts thanks. Come out you can. We'll when did this new royal yesterday. He says so much shit that made so many people call in and we like Bra all speculation on my man's part like nobody knows nothing about a PBC Bo- we don't know how it's GonNa be rent. He just came and said hypothetically they going to go and you know the number one can like broad. That's your best wish for boxing. It's minds to but that don't mean that what you're speaking is fuck doc. In fact he's like under the PC model. They're not going to be able to. Who told you bro like who told you really? What article are you reading answer so that let me let me get an answer on this? Where did you read it? Where'd you read it? Just tell me where did you read it. Would you read it but I can literally I will tend to articles. That's all I want you to send that to me. Bre Thank you. We really appreciate that. We will really really really appreciate that. Edward in Alabama. I'm GonNa try you again champ. What's up just just working listening? Was We going out to Josh in New Orleans. Talk to us Net Ness. I'm convinced fucking shepherd to the Connecticut. She you gotta narrow to push it you change it up. You put bringing arguments to Raise another put up. A fight is down. Then you turn around and use these same. Oh commits the big up by the FIS. Makeup your fucking mind who I put up just speaking multiple. Show that being here listening to you. Narrative how big of Connecticut and then use. I won't waste my time on that. You could talk about that. After Marco is done it could never ever raise to fifty five because he wasn't finding off it because he's finally hit a fucking he ducked the meetings on dry when he got his WBO Bill Strip from he for Liam Smith for the belt and all of a sudden at the dropped his WBZ belly became interested in fighting for the bill. Bill grunts on driving was stripped of smick Ida. Okay Canola has always had Chris Paul judging decisions. Just keep their way and talk to drug dispute with the fucking clenbuterol Shit. He's he's a talented fighter. He's a fighter owners. Pfizer thousand five. He can't just get into rain and fight everybody you say. He challenged to be great but asking the holy protects them against certain styles. And that's why he was so guessing fighting a lower and we saw were happening allow boomerang season Champs Boomerang Sees Jay in Florida what what are what. Are Your children in Ohio. Go home next week but check this out man. I feel like that Kogler Shit. Russia was in no doubt you know what I'm saying. I feel like they said Kovolev. Stay with those excuses or whatever you know in He signed that fight for the bread. Like anybody. Cloudy were in. It is what it is you know like I'm with you. You know what I'm saying is needed to work in other words doing make history junk. Get a belt. Do which I gotTa do due to put yourself in that conversation. But if they ain't doing that Shit Nigga need to Lee Canal alone let home slice get his money he got by damn near fifty five cent. Isn't it you're you're just making bread man. But that's all I got man. Everybody liked the video. And I'm out all right all right all right. Thanks for calling. We going out to Steve Talk to us. Yeah Hey what's up guys. Nobody knows anybody who knows. No one's GonNa take a dive in the eleventh round. Come on man. If it was a dive it would have been round one through three but I WanNa talk about something else Mike you there. Mike asserted talk to them. I WanNa take you back to your interview that you did in Vegas on your podcast role that you had with Cova loves manager. What did she tell you when you bought up the hydration clause? I don't WanNa talk about it. Okay but what did she say after that she said hydration any. Don't mean shit the Kovalyov they weighed in at one seventy five. Oh look back at your interview. She said that she says she's going. She said the situation breath. She looks good. I say they waited. They waited at one seventy five in their the next day that he has it in their for safety Mike. The Guy's weight division. The guys do he's going to weight divisions give the man some gritted you. You want to sit here and talk about this. hydration clause became an actor. hydration close don't mean a damn thing. There's you waited are you. Are you avoid. Hey could prescribed minute thirty steve but come on my show us because you know we hate we. Hey we asking. Steve is not a fighter. 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AM Five grand was in my count today. Straight up now hold on forty-three money dot com to get five K.. Like that man. That's right forty three money dot com's Linda's provide personal olds for up to five thousand dollars for people like you and me even if you don't have good credit man I'm always short. On cash can forty-three money. Dot Com helped me get the money. I need fast. If view need extra money fast go to forty three dot com. Just have a checking account and a regular source of income go to forty three months dot com and you can get the low now regardless of your credit go to forty dot com to get the money you need fat type. WWW dot four three money dot com directly into the address bar that's forty money dot com or three M. O. N. E. Y.. Dot Dot Com forty three money dot com is different Komo tweet. I'm just saying that. I think that's US unfair to say. Is He fighter. Because when fighters when you interview in a fight and they ask you have you ever been ring. That completely means your. Your opinion doesn't mean shit cause you ain't four so now that means he ain't four and been to a rehydration so his opinion and I think that's unfair domains before by saying by saying you are of lighter and having been through it quick are on the radio so I'm trying to make a quick point that fast way I can end by saying is it. Are you a fighter. The sympathetic was doing. He's never been able to rehydrate or not that's it. I could do it no faster way. Sorry I wasn't trying to like a diminish his perspective point view. I was trying to get to the car now and again. I'm not insinuating that you're trying to do. I'm just simply stating that. Like fighters used that as a as a you know a way of just ignoring you know what anything anyone else has to say in in in I I I don't think that's you know. I don't think it's the right thing you know. everyone's opinion is valid. There's all I'm saying. Everyone opinion is not valid but everyone deserves the chance to express their opinion. I do agree with you on that. I mean look and I can't front and say that if you've been to your opinion doesn't hold more validity but at the same time it also shouldn't devalue anyone else's this is all I'm trying to say Let me see was this looks like maybe Noah's new number. Let's find out what. Yeah no not sure not show hold that. Definitely Noah Noah what up skill go with it man was good with the function. If a lot of one I wanNA touch on personal foremost Covert McPherson. I was Mike what you said like what NASA said about US asking people about fighting which is true because a lot of people do that when you'd be like Oh they just WanNa be grateful opinion. They're trying to denigrate what you're trying to say but at the same time Bro. Under fuck wasn't nobody say like when I was is fighting a decent Powell boxing right and I used to have to make one forty. We're talking about a nine year old at this point nine ten year old right breath. I'm coming in that bitch. One fifty five one sixty almost at. That's it that's like one fifty three once before you put on ten pounds putting on ten eleven pounds bro. That's just drinking water. That's just drinking and eating all night long like for the next x day. That's it that's it and same day weigh INS. We'd be like those are held. Those are hello. You can ask anybody in tournaments where you have same aimed as you weigh in and you go with kids like your show up that day you weigh in and you go to hell if you're trying to trying to fight downhill level so I I understand when necessary but that's the truth that do don't know what the fuck he talked about. Everybody opinion is not valid to we all know what this was so I said it yesterday. We all know what this was was. This was a cash. Grab by Coppola because we here fighters talking about all the time. Oh that's not enough time pair. You went cottage definitely. Put Me Right and see bitch if you WANNA get their boomerang. Go head over to the patriarch dot com slash boxing voice waist to sign up for. When you gave your opinion two-time Brandon? Maurice talked to me. He got the window. I know you can hear the truck out. You just go for it man you you clock ticking. Picking a trail. I pretty much agree with every day. You said as far as the Cannella Shit I just is WanNa Cook on the space of boxing. I was on a cruise to Jamaica one time on the excursion and a taxi white people talking shit they let me know what it was from the UK. He's like eighty eight year old way. Somebody yeah a little bit about Kale K.. Boxing the first thing they sales you'd never heard of Anthony. I'm like a course day when I was with a Mexican man. I was watching box hill and this meg. Grandma don't watch boxing but she knew the fucking downloads to beat a face a Fox and that means mother fuckers. Don't walk much bucks in F- In know your name. Hey in your face but I'll ever watch sport right. There's nobody in the USA. Jose cachet to where eighty year old. Fuck is no. They are food box when the boy was topic. I had white my fuck. Is that my job. Who Don't why bucks in new works? They hate sugar Ray Leonard. Muhammad Allie Tyson was cut. Is this going to be one of them. Long shows is is your switch are coming from Joe Ariga if it affects. Why does he have that role? Oh my God I've been one of Redel Super Chat he is. You're brilliant. Joe You're brilliant. Ibm I've been doing that for years. Earl Earl is a cheater. He's a cheater because he chose the five for every one of his opponents got away in the next day with a rehydration close Mike Earl a cheetah he a cheater. That's what you're saying. Does he say can mellows a Cheetah because he put rehydration close. Yeah he he put in the country he asked for it. I if you're fired you choose choose to go down the idea of sanctioning bodies. That's your choice I but I mean why it ain't a big deal when IBM five when Kayla. Plant fight in a big deal because he chose that path and so did Kovalev and best. When I've been saying all morning and I need you to keep saying because they own here Kovalev chose to go down that route Ming he wanted Deshmukh at the same time if the Wbo we don't have that rule should even for a hobby up rule? I totally understand but I like I like wh. What's his name? Steve Sad Bra. Uh he he. He's a small man going up trying to ensure safe though. Hey Hey give it up. Forty panels every fight. Hey y'all him making you fight a certain gloves so when you punch him it on her shit. I'm just saying like nobody. Nobody wants to call a spade. Spe fucking Battalion Klitschko. I'll hit in carpet different but I never run out for A. Hey I'm telling you man tally. carpeting fucking ring fury like I'm fighting not fighting. You know what I'm saying. Come on everybody. He tries to do the a side. Shit Koto cried about it until he became a side and did the same and fucking Sergio Martinez. Let's stop a EH again by some fans officials. They can't remember that we're going to go out to the UK Different health is different health. Picking Glove is it's cold oh it is cool. I mean I'm not saying it's cool but that ain't part of health that import health. If if I got some gloves that could do more the damage. That ain't that's that's that's a health and safety reason and same same same saying you know what save for saying to that fight or you know what the gloves are known to hurt us. These pillows use these pillows Chen. Oh you WanNa fight me you want this pay day you want this pay day. You won't be on the other side of the. May you want this fight to be called may well then you come and you do everything I say. Let's stop it like four invented sentece. Let's stop like you. And I don't tell fighters every day on this show floor gave you the blueprint now now following the blueprint hating. They won't though Tomatoes Adam where you're mad you're mad in the same thing. Floyd said he laughing all the way to the bank. That's why I came with a ski mask to the ring. But it's okay for Floyd. Oy Why because he's telling you writing your face what he doing when Kanalelo just following a blueprint and ain't doing it like for him coming in the ring with a mass that's gone he ain't telling you how much of a sham and shit is i. It's somehow ain't the same. I I mean it's the same man he following the blueprint man. He following a blueprint blueprint until someone can prove differently. He following a blueprint or more from dealer boxer fourfold He stated that as a fact not an opinion as prepared learn to know about the was ten years old and has Next Day it would be like one fifty three or whatever ever. Yeah definitely because he went through her so you know that's what I'm saying so again like what you said it holds weight. If you ain't been doing you can't really talk. But then it also undermines like tons of people's opinion but whatever we're going out to Liz Lotta Ringa talked to us about the IT. Was I my truck. I make it to white noise nine to my. I shot out. Avowed him for making me a wrangle. I guess we'll start with the Nello Think it was a down flake if they want to I. Don't you know what I'm saying it's like you can't change people. Some people are like you say nasty little as people of one hundred Masol. Well I would I little people that one guy down throwing match my own down by this is just my about it. She got another thing nickname. When you apparent on money and Cannella doing just fine in the beginning just defendant condello? Hello throwing money the motherfucker get sidetracked and they wanNA talk about love. The Saudi canal is he just needs to the Ovalles Kylo and guide them on if you don't come back down to that weight but other SUV. Well all right the jaws. Thanks thanks for calling in Georgia. y'All I wonder if you you know you won't be at the five right. I'm sure sure you'RE GONNA take. I'm sure saying Coletta. I gotTA support man. I hate when people say I'm. PBC Bre with all the. I'm telling you to buy the zone to our link. You know no what I'm saying. I equally support the sport. As a whole you talk about Donna Brothers and Chicago involved. There's like man people crazy man crazy for real bro. I'm I'm I'm boxing. I one one entity all shit. Wasn't I onto. Park has rose with design. I seen a podcast Castro yet with BBC way. I'm excited apoptosis. Is they get the ball rolling on this list. Right now man alrigh- so we got it looks like the UK right right right right right right. My yesterday is no. It's T- plums up. I Talk Awesome in Florida talks. You can read it all right all right all right so y'all got all background work. There workman respect. Everybody shout out to all the blue collar out there. Listening to the PODCAST men. I knew it was when I was on the day job. I Anita something and listened to and I. I'm just happy you guys chose us to listen to. We will continue to try and bring you a daily show multiple times a day man again. US Patriot community pays to recommend topics. Make life easier you know. Don't don't be a guy that just as upset at every single topic title recommend recommend what should be discussed and watch your fellow boxing community. Tell you if it's worthy. I just WanNa talk box Semaine. Listen we was on patriots last night at like. I think we finished that show at eleven fifty four. That was almost midnight. Okay so Patriot dot ah forward slash the bikes and voice untitled was liberty like a VAT girls Titi. I'm telling you go check it out but we're going out to did did UK talk to me. What lots of his day going on people you know your own so you out Danny UK? Yeah all right I just want to. It's such an one point you raised when we're talking about how fury was undoubtedly. WFAN wilder needs to do. I think that Our our you're right with the point that actually I feel like while the naturally suits. WWE More but again. This is what we've been saying for time. The promotional promotion of louder has been terrible. That's the honest truth. He hasn't been promoted properly. I mean look at what fury did they want. What America occur and they've done more permission for him than what's been done for weather and the fact of the matter is while the had to use? Aj I know you. People don't like talk to me or you don't think is true but anyone looking at the whole objective while they used. Aj literally promote himself offer valid in all states or where prohibited by law loans are subject to lender approval. See website for details sweet. We've we tell me. 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If you need extra money fast go to forty three money. Dot Com just have a checking account account and a regular source of income. Go to forty three dot com and you can get the low unique now regardless of your credit forty-three money dot com to get the fat. WWW dot four three three money dot com directly into the address bar. That's forty three money. Dot Com or three MO ANYWAY DOT COM FORTY-THREE MONEY DOT com. So always with Crawford so as Crawford or earl spence using one another or is that just the natural fight that drives the people brother. I'm I'm saying the promoters there one an engine behind Tyson fury doubt. They haven't been able to do that for Crawford but it definitely doing it for taxing fury because fashion a few also has the character that promotes himself. Why are the has a good character is able to promote himself but the promotional people behind you have to blame them but the fact that while there is still a naming America well no need to hit you with the cut as you finished first and that is your time Listen argument has flaws in it because again the comparison to Crawford Earl Spencer's public is demanding that fight neither man is using each other's name. That's just the logical fight in that division just like the heavyweight division. That's the logical go fight and was the logical fight while verses. Aj It's not the wild needed AJ's name. It was the logical fight. One man has four your belts the other has one. It was the logical fight. You're thinking too much you just you know you're trying trying too hard. It's just the logical fight. Boxing from the beginning of it has always told us the champions needs a unified. So you know logical fight. We're going onto that one white boy in Texas talk to me what I'm John what up. 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What what makes it the best chance for him to win? So I only see thank God. Kovalev would've won that fight and been able to Eh keep his tank for the Vikings. I add them up on the cards. I think he could've won that fight. If he was given a full can Enough time maybe Nada auto racing clause but I just think it's bullshit that canal guests Make all the colds and guess a gets all the decisions against it's GonNa get ati twice Against Laura it's just that he wouldn't be as big a star if he didn't get those that help help that guest because he is the cash cow in the faces for we need to make Deontay wilder the faces sport. All you need to say. His forty-one fights dirty nine Cao's any pretty much kayode jerry into these guys. Alright alright all right. Thanks for calling in Pat in Boston a Batman. We are putting together border wars in February. If you're interested Saturday will definitely have have a full blown show. We have a lot of signed and sealed fights will be having the return of a border. Wars is unified champion. Marvin the tank firmin from Arlington or Irving Texas wanted to to So yeah let's see. What else do we have here? T- plums ready chill. I so nasty. Not right but you gotta get working today. Noel L. C. Y.. You see why people came in and he really really really put a whole bunch of whole argument about how sometimes winning losses matters. Sometimes they don't and whatnot. Whoa wait let me pause the clock on that because you know what he did say that and I never got to address that right so I never say canellas loss matters batters but people are saying he never fights the people that are a challenge wasn't mayweather challenge? He fought him he. I'm not giving them credit because he lost I'm giving them credit for fighting the challenge all right but let me let me reiterate what I said to my super check. I say he don't fight. Providers ars not fluent wasn't as prime like you know he was still good but he wasn't in his prime prime not primary where the beat them. Now you said Prime Laura had trout brought those two are. Everybody thinks another really lost. He didn't go back to Regina because he got the win. And then when you factor that in with the judge with the biased judging ornella the obvious regan judging economical invent him popping durden and then a WC WBZ comes right after. It makes a rule excusing that type of stuff. It's always been a it's always been on push to get out there and that's you can't ignore that type of stuff to say that yet knows it's doing. It's all on his own merit. They're and literally carry him in making a cares for Nello to get by any means necessary with auto spot. You can't ignore it. And and as far as the Copeland I don't care about cobras. Grew him he lost. I don't care I never want to see him again. But you know the Truth Bach. Another wiz he's getting every advantage there is not just by him but every single possible faction. So you can't ignore it. I mean so fluid never popped as far as you know. Oh never got no so so sort of mysterious. IV after the pack back to back out fight you hear about that hall of a sudden. You Ain't no no yes. I've never heard that this is true in any that's one thing and then month or so later. WBZ Not a month but less than a year later. WBZ comes out and makes a rule saying oh yeah they got if they got this amount. They don't matter no more like you can't ignore it. Don't say that don't say that. Don't say that because that's not what happened. That is not how it happens. So you guys really need to educate yourselves. WBZ We be ceded not come out of the year later and make a rule and say oh it's okay no. WBC ADAPTED WHAT WADA is. He's already and has already been doing water. WHO WHO SADA uses who vodka uses who everyone uses WBZ the not just create a rule man? Bro You guys be just making shit up on the fly they say I make up shit. Listen whenever if I say some Bullshit Bank it on on some some fire cookies or or or gorilla glue like Bra. I receive all the press releases from all the public all the promoters especially the W. B. C.. I can literally pull that shit up like no they. Eight they adapt it will. Water is already doing. Listen Wider conducts those studies and makes those guidelines. You know they can continue to choose not to follow waters protocol and recommended ratio right. They can choose to do that. But then they're going to continue to have these cases why conducted those studies and decided that that's what they were going to use. Go find out how long why does been using as you know. Do your racers. Don't just say crazy stuff like that. Did talk to me very soundness. What's up Mike Yeah good show is always yes John. No before it can no Alvez's Sergei Kovalev always wanted a rare ones at Pixar Coppola. I don't know what I was thinking. But you know he did his staying. I'm not going to say nothing about him He could fight you know so. I just can't wait to see his next. WHO BUYS NEX six? Maybe Billy Joe Saunders maybe somebody else yeah yeah I'm not now fan a Cannella I just I'm GonNa see him. I WANNA see him if I wanted a young guns or something but Yeah I ate my crow. S It was nasty but Yeah Danilo he could fight. Those senators can fight so I can't say nothing bad but that's my call. y'All have a blessed one. Every here goes right his let me see maybe a screen shot as over Jackson S G. Pass this is boxing not basketball three deaf this year. One black when Russian won't Puerto Rican Get the FUCK OUTTA air safety first trying to screen share that That that the the memo that the WTO joke WBZ et CETERA. Yes yeah but UH fucking Shit Airdrop Brahma had to read it but on on the newsletter like I said you know Yo yo it's crazy someone tell me what these other sanctioning bodies are doing. Mike how you you've been watching the sport three years four years. Whatever what what what what? What have you seen these other? Sanctioning bodies do Grad senior. IBF known mm soon be consistent with the mandatory. They can make champions of fight The Guy who comes up that that that that sanctioning body. WPA WE'LL BE BA. I've seen that those guys consistently make more built WBO I consistently has donald even know how why dairy in the rankings. Get title shots the BBC. I'm saying the clean by Kim program adapted seeing the The weight thing like you gotta be ten percent of your fighting weight like the next day or something like that. I think that that goes into effect. Twenty twenty they're going to be adapted a code of Conduct Policy Twenty Twenty I the WBZ cares WBZ back. Whatever they should use to the adaptive boxing community? I've seen IBO. What exactly is adaptive boxing? Like a wheelchair boxing program Peachy the for people's didn't want to compete and things like that Now I I'm sure the WB A in the RB of WBO have their charity. But I'm I'm not that they'll say well what what they're not doing. A good enough job making you aware of it for some time. No different than disown complaints that we have about promotion. Listen it's not your fault that whatever they're doing is nick can block talk radio and we know Holy Shit when look at it. Like I can't say that the W. A. B. C.'s. Like a cat American kinda based bill and deputy. Da Abby up those belts are like overseas. Receive Your yes you can be wrong more wrong from the truth by. WBZ Is a Mexican baseball. I'm not saying I miss can base. But it has a lot of North American influence around the bill. WBO's like Pan Asian. The News Ely area kind of built on sand in the the BVA's like a Russian. Germany had a bill. Now now let me tell you what's going on. Chat Gill Bertran Dozer. Sounds like a Puerto Rican name to me. You know that we met Paco. And he's more Puerto Rican than you WANNA so all that no fasion. Nah Nah. That's the same thing that the president did you link yourself with whoever giving you money. A business can't grow without money. So if you so you got Asians willing to give you some money so you could fuck and get make fights more invalid you going to be known as that bill but that anyway you from if that background is giving you money when you tend to think that background would have some of those charities that you are doing in says I'm not paying and influence and influence German German and Russian. I wouldn't necessarily know what the fuck is going on over there in Asia or whatever that they are doing but I am American and I do know about the BBC. Because it is kind of like a I can say. Is this words headquarters but we all seems as like the American bill to say I do. Maybe now on speaker everybody but I do. I was able screen. 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Jonathan Wild Bird allowed will the whatever Johnson. I'm Barbara Barricades and I've been smoking. Cannella lost his first fight. With gee-gee year may may whether lost the Casteel you know and then which one and they say. The cannella lost trout when mayweather laws to make down the first one even though I just told you he he beat him eight four but that's why rematch them because because people thought he beat right come on man Eh may look Mayweather's retired now don't nobody say dumb narratives that they used to say they don't see them no more people don't talk about him losing casteel. May Donald Talk about that craziness. Because on that they say that he lost the Castio Mayweather. What what did he drop the drop the glove? They said the glove hit the flew down on me whether to get Outta here near cowboys brother. The biggest you want to know what the biggest narrative outside of him not wanting to fight Margarito the biggest narrative. Okay not not not not not just him. I am not WanNa Find Margarita but also not want to fight Paul Williams tall well to weigh the freakishly tall welterweight. Canelo signed up to fight in his mother fucking Prom but unfortunately Paul Williams suffered a tragic accident and is paralyzed from the ways down in the wheelchair like my co host. It's my don't get it twisted but don't get it twisted. My man signed up to fight a line. Paul Williams delay weather. Mayweather was not trying to fight Edgar. Paul Williams was out there. Police was out there saying he don't WanNa fight me but I understand in this but I wouldn't say with the PROMS Rams I remember a fight. Him and Laura recommended recommended me to Sergio Martinez as at may also one loss means you any pause when I'm not saying that at all but you've been out already sweet sweet also wasn't sleep sleep and everybody was clamoring for that fight ended. They were four to five million pay per views might shocking to me. I know blowing. Hold me me. Abe and Apollo and the impact your bottomline polling. Get his shot Paul Paul to do may were they wanna find. That was Margarita with with hand. Wraps because we ain't going wing or act like he decided to go hand rap song when he fought Moseley wearing like like that we see Koto phase wing lack like that winglike wingo act like we wasn't seeing him written acres airs off only. ESPN WE AIN'T GONNA act like Paul and fight that man with wraps and still be league's s wearing wacky like that gift. Paul is shot gift. Paul his shot. Okay let's stop but I got the clenbuterol shit pulled up right here and we you just go straight to the facts and says ray on June first the w antibody whatever whatever by you see. I've been I've been screeching if ever of a but right under there. It says Wada List. Sokaia were there while I'm just single fucking news report. Negative a few. Nearly four hundred children rescued in three hundred and forty eight adults arrested in Canada damning. A Canadian child child pornography bust among those arrested what forty schoolteachers nine doctors and nurses six dollars forsman personnel nine the pastors and priests in three foster parents for fucking sick Bro. That's crazy but that I'm even more more shocked to hear that happened in Canada. Right though candidate was known for like no crazy. I mean I know everywhere has stuff but I'm just saying wow So where is the stuff I wanted to show you. Boom boom boom boom boom so as says effective on June first two thousand nine hundred eighteen the World Anti Doping Agency WADA established a new threshold in relation with the detection of Clam Berto Wada's new standard intends sends to ensure that the results management entities address resolve positive anti-doping tests emanating from the consumption of contaminated meat products in a fair manner for the athlete. So again this is wider so they eh adapted Wada which pretty much what everyone does right like all the banned substance lists are from water. And then you you know Vita has their own but all those lists are the same so yeah man But there's more I think here says the levels of computer brominated unrelated substances found in the WBZ CB p Which is the World Boxing Council clean box and program cases today? EG Canelo Alvarez Francisco Vargas. August Lewis. Mary have been significantly lower than the new wider standard even before the new standard the WBZ has consistently we tested those cases. Accordingly thus after an extensive investigation that WC did not penalize the affected athletes. So again again. They did not create a rule. They adapted unless I'm reading Ron. Mike thing I'm reading because I could be reading. The comprehension is good so maybe I'm reading. I read the accent that you read other the article wasn't like the WBZ without Out of their way but they adapted what everybody else will were adapted so Let me just let me just let me just just A metaphor out there right though metaphor so you and I was just in Vegas and I think you recommended like oh I want to give them all. I wanted to get to take right when you brought up a good because in Vegas now they let you travel would announce the airport was we okay so Olga home all right all right so exactly exactly so but Vegas has that rule you in an essay. WBZ's just adapted they just going with this new rule. That's IT VEGAS OR DENVER. Whoever whoever popped off I they are the originators what has been doing way before? WBZ WB is only China. Come in and further help help box in which they have since they created the clean boxing program having people been popping. I don't know why we gotTA gotTa make him out to be this evil entity like no one is perfect just like Bob is imperfect and Eddie is imperfect nothing is perfect man. Everything has flaws But you know to make this. This villain is ridiculous when I think they do a significant amount of good Real Quick Nick if you are in California Vegas Nevada or Colorado. You traveling there those airports to one of those airports you can have we you carry out. I believe that's it. That's it We Got Edward in Alabama. Hey what's up. May God Dang three times. No maybe quit coming to me now. That's not You guys on the because now ah got to let me do my research. I gotTA give respect to the research. Now we sit here and we talk about how big somebody but they numbers and pay per views are vessel. That's what makes him as star. Martin will in the nineties. I would call it the face a boxing being Roy Jones Junior. Not My topic is Mike. Tyson's jail half of the ninety but the Roy Jones Junior but alcohol was doing way bigger pay per view numbers almost everything. What are we spike's type view? But you argue all you want that it was worried don't worry or Delta High Class knockout and his highlights ridiculous. Why as it was fighting guy that we never heard of like rule as Fernandez Gonzales? All all will pay per view in seven of his views in the ninety workers. Mesquite do I'm actually have the hill could occupy lawyer royal versus. Mostly do five hundred some of you while him versus Bart gets to nine hundred thirty five thousand five thousand. Almost Double Vargas Vargas had never Pity before but for some reason I met fan base boosted from profitable motive for the number one. WBZ three books and video that they five hundred whatever take borges. Who already been knocked by that? Did Dan you telling me that is not the most important most ridiculous fan base in boxing. TAVAREZ junior million wicked. They hold weight. Boxing that's why we allow them to do both bushy. His they make money. We're don't gender UH with a bigger star in my opinion as it was but he was doing number. It happened because he doesn't have the country behind him. I told many a time in America. We have too too many sports through many great athletes. We don't dissect it around two or three sports. It'd be like that. Except Uncut gave you thirty seconds but That's just excuses man. America's the biggest country breath. If you can't be a star in America you ain't a star oilman to blame it on him having Mexican background and all that like they still have to be Mexican American to bother pay per view they still. You'll have to be over here like that. Does make sense like they gotta be over here. So what are you saying. I'm Mike is there any logic canal. I don't they gotta be here like so. What you Mexico? How how does that help if they have to be here to buy the pay per view within the Dollars on Sam not I honest answer Point of view in perspective but the facts remained the same like there is one guy who was getting paid thirty three outfight who does big time gates. Who Does big abused in is pretty much can get any fight that he wants a at any time check may boxing? I guess I miss the show. I just you know. Realize you guys was on you just gotTa Land But I guess I gotTa say I told you so. When it comes to the fixes in two he threw the fight? You know you guys didn't WanNa believe it. He said it himself. He had all incentive in a world. Lou He's not chasing history. He doesn't care he's already got knockouts and lost. He was chasing that back and on top of that bag also included if he lost he also it included a couple of more fights on zone with Nice paydays he had all the incentive to lose so. I didn't hear your response anything about what you SIBU. What was your response to that nece did you say oh? Wow or you believe it. 'cause I don't believe that ridiculousness so the man tell you him so you don't believe it. What did he tell US checkmate? Please please elaborate. He say he said he knew he couldn't win anyway and he wasn't going to win so that we actually Sunday checkmate. If I give you an opportunity to fight floyd do you think you're GONNA win. Do I think we're GONNA win that. You see you come on your strong medically exactly exactly. We're talking to alone that my brother could come on. Why is he doing this? Why I keep doing is? He fought the Pavel Alpha pound number one. He knew he wasn't going just like Luis Ortiz. He go fight wilder he. No he ain't gonNA when they go to win. They know US uphill battle just like we know just like the betting lines so the betting lines the fixtures into her. Mike the fuck is this is genius is in a better. They knew the fixes into man. Terrible but it's all good I I get I lived to the the May weather era. Uh lived through the Oscar era. You know I got to be with my dad and see some of the Tulsa era so I see how fickle boxing fans all like. Yo Bro look like that's what I said to Mike in Vegas and we was going to our room. You know Thank thank you all you listeners. In his podcast for four that You know we were in Vegas. We were staying at. MGM would all the fighters and we go into our room and we see a mob of people a mob of people and I'm like Yo who's that I whip out the CAM and shit. I'm like Oh shit in this survey and I'm like what the fuck should note. I'm saying like people going Win Over Vanda but I remember a time when people were talking so much shit about event you know and they thought he was a PD user. You know like but they hate you now love you later back to hey true now man. It is what it is man. Box and fans of fickle many jump on the next wave. And that's exactly what's happening when mayweather went from. Hbo To show Tom He had directed biggest. Biggest contract you know two hundred and fifty million I think six fights four five. Something something crazy you know. But his his round off was like thirty three or thirty two point. Something new. You know Cannella did that tenfold again. A whole three points and more than that almost four million mortar like. Let's just respect the game that we respected him with Floyd did it. We respected him when he did it like why so much. Hatred in boxing is ridiculous to me crazy about Super Chapter Mohi runs. Biza says I can't call in and the skype skype is working champ. You you might be on a Dow shooting this guy my own. No but you could definitely try skype again But I guess not because we how that was my. That was my final thought. Rent my my final thought Batman. My final daughter's man. I really don't care a couple of beyond what you be entirely Tahiliani. 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