15 Burst results for "Bruce Greyson"
Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"bruce greyson" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"Well i'm sure it's incredibly gratifying. To you to see that research and know that you are directly responsible for spawning so much of it inspiring so much of it and And then banked directly directly a part of so much that. It's really an amazing body of work. So this book again folks check it out after a doctor explores what near death. Experiences reveal about life and beyond a kind of pushed him a little bit. he didn't reveal a lot of personal stuff about his personal spiritual experience and bats change. he doesn't have to. It's been absolutely fantastic. Having gone. And congratulations on a fantastic book drilled. Been fun talking to you. thanks again. Deductor bruce grayson for joining me today. On sept go. And thanks also to dr suzanne gordon. Another terrific and e researcher who. I've talked to in the past on skeptical. But she was nice enough to connect me with dr grayson and help make this interview happen. So thanks for that. The one question. I can't resist eighteen up from this interview. Are the dishonesty bunkers. That have stood in the way of near death. Experience science by following what could only be characterized as dishonest practices. You know dishonestly spinning the data dishonestly publishing peer reviewed work. That doesn't meet their normal standards. Are they really dishonest. What we really call them dishonest or are are they just oh can a stuck in their belief systems it. What about this idea that. I keep hammering on of social engineering. I mean could there possibly be any social engineering element to near-death experience science. Well i guess. I can't really resist injecting my opinion into the tone of that question but i would like to hear your thoughts on it. Let me know jump over to the skipped forum or track me down any way you like. I got some really good shows coming up. Stick with me for all of that until next time. Take care and bye for now okay..
Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"bruce greyson" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"When we propose that under normal stick circumstances the brain sort of imprisons the not physical parvez. So that can't lee. You can't experience these other types of consciousness and the two get the brain out of the way to let this happen so nothing brain is triggering it but the brain is being taken away from whatever it does that prohibits us from doing. This is like the brain has a filter in it to stop this other consciousness from coming to us and that makes sense in terms of evolution. All our senses evolved to help us survive in the physical world. You don't hear every possible sound. that's out there. that would overwhelm. You wouldn't be able understand anything so your ears filter out those irrelevant sounds. Just let's in the small frequencies that are relevant to your survival. Your eyes don't see everything every wavelength in the spectrum. It just lets in those few wave links the small range that's relevant to our survival and filters out the rest so if thoughts are out there if our minds out there somewhere it makes sense. That you're rain would've evolved to filter out the irrelevant stuff. Like god like deceased loved ones. And just let in those thoughts and perceptions that relate to our physical survival soon find food mate a shelter. You don't need to talk about to those things so it makes sense that the brain evolved to filter out the higher consciousness in only when the brains filter is shutdown. Somehow do does he allow you to experience those higher forms of conscious. But don't we still have a little bit of a wrinkle in the story when we introduce this resuscitation technology and what is going on there with technology. The link between technology medical technology resuscitation. And the spiritual. Do you have any any thoughts. I think the spiritual the resuscitation stuff is just one way of making it more possible and more common fresh they come back from this deaf state and talk about these things used to be that people would die and if you're lucky enough to hear them talk as they were dying. You may hear about deathbed. Visions of like indies. but usually. it's just. I never told anybody about was cessation techniques. We can bring them back and then here they experienced. You know we're struggling with. How can this mind. That's if it's not part of the brain. How does it relate to the brain. We have no idea how that could happen and materials say will that means you can't have a mind separate from the brain..
Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"bruce greyson" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"Awaiting this incredible unconditional love and acceptance and protection. And when people describe as to you they will make maybe use whatever metaphors come to them. If you happen to be a christian you may say that was god. that was christ. If you're a hindu you may say that was a yom dude or something else People describe it with their culture. Tolson's describe it but even those who use the word. God will often say to me. I'm using the word. God so you know what i'm talking about but it wasn't like the guy that i was taught about in church. It was much bigger than that. Ethanol zander says the word. God is much too puny for what i experienced. I think that many of them say. Like johnny says you can call it anything you want. You can call it. God allah krishna buddha..
Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"bruce greyson" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"Ever before having a life review include emotional changes like feeling of women peace and wellbeing Sense of being one with the universe sense of being Encapsulated by unconditional. Love from being includes so-called. Paranormal things like a sense of leaving the physical body and seeing things beyond the range of your senses of extrasensory perception includes free cognitive visions of the future and that includes so-called other worldly things being in some other not physical realm dimension encountering what seemed to be entities not of this world deities or deceased spirits and finally coming to a point of no return beyond what you can't go and still return to life so there are sixteen of these items that were most commonly reported by near death experiences in which most easily differentiated indies from other responses to a brush with death. So that's what the scale was and eventually decided i needed to know of really worked or not so. I gave these two scholars. Jim warren and lang access to all my raw data. I thought it was around six hundred or so near death. Experiences responses on the scale and they proceeded to analyze it and months went by before i heard from them and i was nervous. I didn't know what to expect from this. But i had to go with it. That's you know if you're gonna be skeptical. You had to be scattered ronin ideas as well as everyone else's so i gave them all the data and waited and waited and waited and after a few months they came back with the answer that the scale was valid. It produced a reasonable of one experience. there was some things that they correct with my schedule. For example in my scale each item had three possible responses and. They said they're an awesome. Show you didn't need three. That was fine if it were just yes or no that will give you as much information with a concluded that scale measured one coherent experience. That was the same gender race religiosity length of time since the experience and so forth and it really validated. My spirit my my scale and this scale doctor grayson has been kind of the foundational piece in just a lot of research. That's been published a around the world by labs outside of university of virginia at maybe take it to the next step in explain to people how someone who has helped. Some folks have used the scale to kind of move this research forward. It's been translated into about twenty languages and has been used in hundreds of studies all around the world. And it's the main way. Now of our dentist and quantifying depth of near jeff. Experience is very helpful in research to make sure you have a coherent sample of one consistent phenomenon. it's not helpful in dealing with an individual experience for example. If someone says to me. I was pronounced dead. This incredible experience and i am forever transformed by it and given the scale score too low to be qualified as of experience..
Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"bruce greyson" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"Maybe other people in their life aren't changed but that's really kind of a minor topic because of the question. I really wanted to ask you is kid. You recall what we're maybe one or two of the most significant kind of breakthrough moments for you scientifically where you maybe went into some research. I always like hearing when scientists say. I went into the research and i really didn't know how it was going to come out and i was afraid that you know maybe it was going to come out and i was going to have to go. Nope i guess i was wrong. You know did you ever have any of those moments where you're kind of holding your breath to see how it would come out sure. Sure that's essence of science. You know the great louis. Thomas wrote that great science. If it's really science is something that you don't how it's going to turn out. You know one of the one of the most impactful events for me in this was when i developed this new death. Experience scale the standardize research into end. So we know we'd all be talking about the same phenomenon. Goes originally all the new resources for a solution with no one else that their own university. And i wasn't sure we were all talking about the same thing. So he developed a scale through statistical process to come up with a way of defining what. I needed experiences for research purposes and that was in use for maybe a daycare so when i was approached by two skeptical statistician so i did not know and they had they had been using this unusual in very sophisticated. Tests called the rasch analysis to analyze whether a scale was really worthwhile with. who's really valid. And they wanted to apply the scale to my data to see whether my schedule was really worthwhile. And i thought about this. I didn't understand the test. It was way beyond my my level of understanding statistics and the people. I didn't know. I didn't know how honest how open minded they were and they wanted wanted access to my raw data to test the scale and i thought about and thought well don't wanna risk having all this credibility destroyed by this. We have the hand. If the scale doesn't work i want to know that i don't wanna keep using promoting it if it is. It's a really valid. We pause one second there. I wanna make sure everyone understands what we're talking about. So this is known as the grayson scale after your name. And what are some of the factors that you found. In these massive number constitu- you collected and then statistically analyzed and into some repeatable patterns that come up on the scale just so people know like what are some of the what are some of the items on the grayson scale that these guys them further analyzed right. I never called it. The race and scale called at the end ee scale and other people have just called of the rate grayson. skulls shortcut. Never called it. That and i'm not happy with that being called anyway. The scout includes sixteen items includes changes in your thought processes like thoughts becoming faster than ever before clearer than.
Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"bruce greyson" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"It is undeniable. They are out of her mouth out of the words of the people who controller. I'm not suggesting that there's a parallel here with near-death experience research. But i'm not totally convinced. That there isn't a trail of breadcrumbs that are left for people to pursue a certain line of attack against this research that that shouldn't other there shouldn't be that kind of descent. Let like you just mentioned you know kind of research. Union colleagues have done has been like what we would expect to see. Oh is this. The last gasp of dying brain will let's check oxygen levels. Let's check if there's other chemicals in the system let's check all these things and all this kind of debunking research. There's none of that there. There is virtually no research most of the time. They've never even talked to anyone who's experienced this near-death encounter kind of thing. So i'll let it go after this but it may. I'll let it go now. I won't require that you comment on that. But that is my inevitable conclusion to it. Alex let me just say that there definitely are people who were diehard..
Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"bruce greyson" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"I don't know the material that's out. There actually supports a different conclusion to quote my colleague. Bruce grayson if you ignore everything. Paranormal about indie ease. Then it's easy to conclude. There's nothing paranormal about that. So maybe wanna speak for a minute to this kind of over the top debunking that indie scientists based over the years. I'm somewhat sympathetic with these The bunkers. Because i started out there. I understand where they're coming from. And it really requires you to give up some of your cherished beliefs about how the world is constructed if you really want to take these things seriously and understand them and that is very unnerving to do. I was tremendously under of when i first got into this field but i was confident that they were really a real phenomenon and it was important to understand them. If my cherished beliefs about the world were wrong. I wanted to know that i want to continue with my wrong beliefs. So i thought it was worthwhile risking that to to pursue them like an understand. How people would not be willing to do that. I get that on one level. And i wanna talk about that from your personal level of as you're a skeptic and being comfortable that the life your life is meaningless as you were told and all that i want to talk about the end just a minute but i want to throw this on the table. Because i wonder if you're willing to at least consider the possibility that this is manufactured descent. This isn't genuine in the way that we think about it. I have a hard at. I've done this for years. So many of these people and pursued him for peer review always to be peer reviewed posing science kind of stuff. I just failed to believe that. dr watt is sitting there. Doing any kind of real research. That would compel her to respond to your paper. So her response going to all the trouble and then having the right connections to immediately zipping it through a peer review process. It doesn't seem genuine and it doesn't seem genuine. You stack it up with all the other papers that as soon as into significant near death. Experience research Effort comes out whether it's a sam parni or with its pinball novel or whether it's you or whether it's ebony alexandra you know it's like it is organized it is immediate and the response is it seems to me that it's hitting a different town. It's hitting a tone of. I'm not sure that we want to go and leave that out there without a response. Are you at all open to that or are you totally convinced that it is all just kind of organic. Gosh dolly g. Those guys are so wrong. Let me go tell them..
Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"bruce greyson" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"We got a biggie. We have dr bruce grayson here. He has a new book titled after ample get into that in a minute. But i just want to pick up on the after thing because i really really loved the title of that. I just think when you take a big step back you know. We've talked about this on the show. But if you look it not just our culture but every culture we know of throughout history there has been this fascination doesn't really capture it but this deep knowing that the afterlife is key to not only understanding deeper part of who we are but a deeper part of what we need be or maybe what we can be in this life so dr grayson's amazing work over his forty year career as one of the truly pioneers leading researchers in near death experience. Science has been part of this really league game changing science that has taken this deep fascination we have in the afterlife and applied science to it and kind of broken through in some ways that i think a lot of us i i wasn't around. I could say way back when he started but even for the last twenty years. I've been aware of it. You know. I don't think we could've even imagined that the kind of cultural change that has come about around near death. Experience would have occurred. Or maybe maybe we did expect. We've assumed that it would happen sooner. I don't know but these are all things that we're gonna talk about. There's no one more central to this super important science than dr bruce grayson from the university of virginia. And i'm just really really pleased that he's joined us here today. bruce thank you for joining me. My pleasure alex thank you for inviting me so versus i mentioned you have a fantastic new book out. It's titled after a doctor explores what near death. Experiences reveal about life and beyond fantastic book. It's going to be just kind of one of those cornerstone books that anyone who's interested in this field is going to want to have but it really goes beyond that because you know we would expect this to be kind of a capstone of your career and all that and it has all that and it tells all these great stories of experience you've gone through but it also has a lot of up to date findings research because you continually be so actively involved in this field so i thought it was. I thought it was just terrific. The reception so far on the book. I've been very pleased. I've gotten mostly positive. Reception heard from a lot of people haven't heard from in decade saw that they're there to read it so i'm very happy with the way it's been received so far great so i know you've told this story several times and tell it in the book and i've also heard interviews where you talk about your first encounter with a near death experience but it really is a terrific story which might share that with assure. It's took me by surprise. Because i had been raised in a scientific household where we just talked about. The physical world was never talk about anything. Non-physical anyth- anything spiritual or religious. That just never came up in our family. There was no reason to We what we see is what you get if you couldn't be measured than we didn't worry about it and that means that when you die at the end of everything and that was fine with eos just the way it was. I went through college. Medical school with that ritualistic mindset.
Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"bruce greyson" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"I am mildly. Surprised but offer executive midnight basements of a vaccine. I would like you to stop my heart. That's a clip. From the movie flatliners nationally a remake of the nineties movie. They remade it again. In two thousand seventeen which you would think with all the enormous amount of research. That's been done a near death. Experience much of it influenced or done by today's amazing guest. Dr bruce grayson. Will you think with all that science. Some of it would make it into this movie but of course it doesn't again it's movie so they're trying to be entertaining. I guess that's what they're trying to be or maybe they're trying to influence culture a little bit. I don't know you know i'm hesitant. Great interview coming up in this guy is. Fantastic bruce grayson. He is such an enormous such an important figure in near death. Experience research science but at the same time. I can't help but feel and i really hammered on this and this interview that he's a little bit. What would you call it when a group of people art dishonest. I mean provable. Dishonest over and over again. What do you call them. The i know what. I call him but it turns out. It's not the same as what. Today's guest dr bruce grayson calls them. Here's a clip from the interview. I just failed to believe that. Dr watt is sitting there doing any kind of real research that would compel her to respond to your paper so her response going through all the trouble and then having the right connections to immediately zipping through a peer review process. It doesn't seem genuine doctors and scientists are just like everybody else. I think the vast majority of these quote bunkers or people who really believe what they're saying who are so locked into their prejudice that they can't accept the anything else. So i think most of these people are acting out of honesty with their own. Run believes. welcome to skeptic. Oh where we explore. Controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers thinkers and their critics. I'm your host alex karras. Today.
The Past Lives Podcast
"bruce greyson" Discussed on The Past Lives Podcast
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The Past Lives Podcast
"bruce greyson" Discussed on The Past Lives Podcast
"That's right you know. Often the materials will say we know this is the way things are and yet when you look back in history at what people thought what. Scientists thought hundred years ago we laugh at them and think about how naive they were. And i don't see how anyone now can stay. That people hundred years no will look back at what we think how ridiculous we were how we were to think these things. So how can you possibly have faith that we have the answers here until you came up with something called the grayson scale on. That was quite a while ago. If you were to do it today what you do differently. Well we know a lot more now than we did back in the early nineteen eighties wanted develop that skill for example at that time. We didn't know a lot about the unpleasant experiences. So the scale. Enclose nothing about them..
The Past Lives Podcast
"bruce greyson" Discussed on The Past Lives Podcast
"Remembering near death experience with the same part. The brain lit up when you have genuine memory compared to a hellish nation or something imaginary. Yes yes there was A scale developed took to differentiate memories of real events from memories of imagined events and this was originally developed to study children who claim to be have been abused in their childhood and we weren't sure whether they were remembering real events or fantasies so scruple psychologist developed criteria to determine whether it's a real event or not and we tried using this scale with people had near death experiences in fact the near death experiences. The memory of andy ease was more vivid than the real experiences and did not look at all like experiences. Memories of fantasies of this has been replicated now in three different countries and the italian team. They're replicated also looked at brainwaves. Eeg's of patients as they were remembering Their experience and they found again. That the eeg's when people were remembering their andy or when you remember a real event and not like remembering a fantasy or dream and this'll so that You talk about. I think it's talking to people with schizophrenia. Voices on there with people who have. Nd's hear voices. But i have very different experiences. Yes it is The experience of hearing voices for schizophrenics is by large The oakland majority of them are very unpleasant and unhelpful and frightening rest for near death. Experiences the voices they hear and may continue to hear after the andy are usually comforting and helpful on something that want to continue the discovered a multitude of neat experience accounts from ancient greek and roman sources. Yes there is a criticism. Nda's people talking about them because they're influenced by being something they've heard about in cultural recently but actually it's been going on for thousands of years. Yes that's true. And if you look at some of those accounts from ancient greece and rome which was where we have most of them They do sound like something you could hear today of someone who had negative experience now..
The Past Lives Podcast
"bruce greyson" Discussed on The Past Lives Podcast
"Experienced seemed to be tailored to the individual and that is true. And that it's still difficult for me to understand how that is now. I ask near death experiences about this. They say things like. I got exactly what i needed or alternatively i got exactly what i could handle in the different ways of talking about why they what they had was kind of tusk custom made for them whether that's made for them by.
The Past Lives Podcast
"bruce greyson" Discussed on The Past Lives Podcast
"The links are in the show notes and you can find the show notes for this and every other episode on my website this week. I'm talking to dr bruce grayson about his book after a doctor explores what near death. Experiences revealing about life and beyond risk grayson is the chester carlson professor of psychiatry and europe behavioral sciences and former director of the division of perceptual studies at the university of virginia medical school. He co founded. The international association phonetic studies with dr raymond moody for twenty seven years edited the journal of near death studies. He's a colored two of the book. The handbook of need experiences. That you've investigation. He has researched into experiences for over three decades and has done more than seventy five presentations to national and international scientific conferences. He has over one hundred publications in academic medical and psychological journals and several research grants and awards. Thank you dr grace and for coming onto the po- costs giving us a time. It's very kind of. You will thank you. Simon for reminding me talk show about your book after a skeptical scientists journey to understand life death. I'm beyond you. Give us an overview of the book. Well i Researching near death experiences for about the past half century. And i started off as a a diehard materialist. Nothing could any way possibly be real in over the decades. I've been persuaded by the evidence that there is something real going on here and this book i've been planning on writing a book like this for almost my whole career and it wasn't until now that we finally have the scientific sophistication and knowledge about near death experiences to make a coherent story out of it. So this book after Contains basically what i've learned about new experiences and also how it has changed my two towards them over the course of doing all when you first moved saif from a really strong theorists materials point of view if it was that strong for you what caused you to move over well it must have been quite something quite shocking and quite powerful to make you really question what you were thinking. Well it's been a gradual process of over the years I started out. In a scientific household. Father was a chemist and we just never talked about anything spiritual or religious in our in our home It it wasn't that we were anti spiritual forward about atheists. Just it just never occurred to us to talk about anything. God or solar spirit. That wasn't part of our world or world was the fiscal world. You see what you get. So i went through medical school and college medical school with that attitude that the physical world is what we have him.
KFI AM 640
"bruce greyson" Discussed on KFI AM 640
"And and I the last thing I think in, Leslie would agree. We want to do it well, I would say from the period itself is not convince anybody of anything. It's really to ask questions and hopefully watched series and you walk away Ask you more questions. Leslie. The idea of consciousness is sort of a buzzword in the UFO and paranormal worlds. These days, people would just spout out. Well, I think consciousness explains how these things might be interrelated. And you give me sort of. Ah, capitalization of what we know about consciousness now. And is that what moves on is a human consciousness? What moves on when our physical bodies die? That's a big question. I mean, I have to say as far as I'm aware, we really don't know very much about consciousness. As far as I understand it, at least the scientific community that philosophers will basically say we don't know what it is. You know, that's that's one of the interesting things is that I think when people argue that consciousness is created by the brain, and it's just a matter of neuron firing things, and then when the brain dies, there's nothing left. That's really more of a theory than a proven fact before I understand that, But you know, I'm not an expert on unconsciousness. I'm really not. But that's my perception is there are many scientists And we feature some of those in some of them in the series who takes the position that consciousness is not generated by the brain, but it's more like the brain is an antenna. And this consciousness is something much bigger than our physical brains. And that There are experiences people have that illustrate that fast if they can leave their bodies when they had when their brain is essentially dead, and they could go on a journey, and they can come back and talk about what they heard in the room, even though they had no capacity for hearing. They didn't have a brain. You know, you have to question what is how can consciousness he created by the brain if it functions when there is no brain. So I think there's a lot of rocket of questions like that. I don't think science nobody has really solved the mystery of consciousness on that level. You know some of the examples the stories that are told the personal narratives especially like the first episode that comes to mind this physician who's basically drowned in, uh South America. And she's underwater for 30 minutes or something like that. And then she's she's dead. She's gone on yet she wasn't you know that it kind of raised good goose bumps on your arms and get listen to the her because she's so credible and it's so emotional. Same time you have some great witnesses for sure. Yeah. Ricky, do you want to come in on that case? Ou told gotten so much attention that the very case that opens up the whole series. I mean, it was very important for us to As you said, have credible people who are not You know, she didn't go. She was kayaking and chilly, You know, e think over 20 years ago now, um she wasn't seeking attention. She certainly didn't think she was gonna die. Andre, but he has a profound experience. She is a spinal surgeon to the doctor. And, um you know her understanding of death. Medical deaths is When the body when the brain stuff onto one body when it dies, and she was underwater for over 30 minutes. There were a number of witnesses, you know. I'm looking for her her She was on the bottom of the some of this water bed after having gone over a cliff of waterfall and She had this incredibly vivid experience and she came back and she she says she should have been brain dead. But she wasn't and she shares an experience that Has been studied by doctor Bruce Greyson. At the medical school and the division of Perceptual Studies, and he catalog these very similar kinds of near death experience phenomenon in such a way that There's a pattern to these people have these experiences that they're not. Sort of anomalies in some ways that they kind of fall within the study that he's done in this pattern, so there's You know they're similar. There was And what does that mean? I don't again. We don't really draw conclusions, but it just raises questions. A. You know, there are there's Her story in particular is amazing as many of these near death experience cases that you cover in the in the first episode. How people can know these things when they're effectively brain dead. I mean, that really does refute the idea that Consciousnesses exists in the brain. Right, Leslie? Yeah. I mean, that's what I was saying. And I think the other important component of it because you know, especially in the serious. We're very concerned with the characters themselves, the human experience how it affected them. I think the other really important element about near death experiences is Profound effect that they have on the people who experienced them. They usually been absolutely changes their lives forever. And it's almost it's not easier for every person when that happens, so that's one of the things I also loved about. The first episode is that we You know the film, the filmmakers visited a the center in Seattle. Internationals is I am the International Association from near Death studies, and there's a A. So you know, I guess she's a social worker, Kimberly Clark shark who works there. And you really, you know, we get a sense from the people that were there and that it's not easy for everybody Take to die and come back. You kind of think Literature so far has sort of shown this of being this wonderful, blissful experiences and come back and you're never afraid of dying anymore. But it's really not that simply. We've had a trauma by actually dying in the first place, and then you have to integrate a whole new reality into your life. Did it affect your relationships, and it affects a lot of things Not always easy, but it zipped up evil. That That's also another thing. That sort of points to the profound reality of it is that it's not. It's something that really leaves. A lasting impact on a person is not just like having a dream or something. You know, it's It's real. Some of them say it's more real when you're in that world than it is in the physical world. That's how visited profound It was for them. We're talking with Leslie Kean and Ricki Stern about the Netflix docuseries surviving death. When we come back, I want to get into reincarnation. Memories of past lives. Some of the other compelling stories that they've dug up for the Syriza. We go into the break with Linda Ron.