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Ep 78 The Truth About WILLPOWER featuring Bob Brubaker

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Ep 78 The Truth About WILLPOWER featuring Bob Brubaker

"We believe that you are strong by design and you were made in God's image to have a strong body mind and spirit. You're listening to the number one strengthen health authority podcasts in the world so let's get ready to unlock your potential and transform your life in today's episode episode hello. This is Mike Westall from strong by design. I'm your host today with coach which Chris Wilson and we are very excited. We have two awesome guests for you today. The first gentleman is Mr Bob Brubaker. He's a nineteen time Ironman triathlete as long as the the bio is correct on the website is and he's the author of a book one breath from death as well as many other bestsellers he's a pastor of Christ Community Presbyterian you're in church in clearwater Florida and he's the host of the power brake podcast he's here with John Trevino also known as jt but only on the podcast I found right I call him John. John and my kids go to school together and we met in a Bible study on Wednesday nights where we were studying the word but at the same time kind of just having a appeared support group venting about please help us yeah so thanks a lot guys for being with us. Today is our pleasure real pleasure you now before we started recording. We were talking about that. You were the spam man we we gotTa Edson that what does that mean. I was sponsored by spam for three years and I I did the manual championship and Kona Hawaii I was going to ask them to sponsor me as far as paying for my hotel bill in exchange for me wearing their logo my brother pointed out that that solarge corporation Cornell and they don't do anything without a full-fledged business proposal so I did my research and put together a proposal of them sponsor me has the spam man at the Ironman and they bought it and it was fun going to Hawaii as the spam and little did I know that's their number one market little. Did I know the acceptance of a myself as the spam everywhere in Hawaii. I was in radio and television everywhere and matter of fact I got a lot of publicity in the mainland to because I wrote a little article in the local paper which was then picked up by a regional paper and the day that and the Friday morning that headlines in the Akron Beacon Journal was the Payne Stewart's plane went down and local local pastor is the spam man at the I remember that that was when when I was nineteen ninety nine after that it hit the Gannett News who service and went everywhere and so I was out riding on always went for a long ride on my bike on Friday afternoons and my wife called me and said every TV station in Cleveland Oh no higher wants to interview you so I said here's where I'll be and so the first one that caught me was the NBC station and they put it up on MSNBC and the Fox station station and put it on Fox News and it went everywhere and next thing you know is getting all kinds of requests for interviews and everything is spam man right and t-shirts or anything but it was pretty funny. I received a call from this publicity company in New York City and they said how are you getting all this publicity and I said well Kinda walked into it. I said that I do something wrong. They said No. We're the official Publicity Company for the Ironman World Championship you. Where would you like to be and I said well? I like to be on the tonight show and they said well we can't do that but we got you on the TV program extra so the extra program came out and that they filmed with me for eight hours for a ten minute segments but it was fun and so I had a lot of fun is the spam man and so this episode so it's going to be four hours. We're GONNA use like forty five minutes. It's your seatbelts but we do wrong long. JT podcast ours is start to finish wall no but I like your guys. QNA time it's like he get right to the point with the the power break right like breaking your day power up with some scripture and some motivation and then then it moves right into like some awesome cuny stuff I like. I like the format on your show to our thanks thanks. How do you guys know each other? Tell me the spike story or story. So you know Bob is kind of a local legend when it comes to riding bikes obviously being being a guy that's been tacona multiple times and stuff like that so I started to get serious about riding myself and on Saturday Saturday there used to be a group that went out of a bike shop over off of west pay drive so I started to go to the group and I couldn't help but notice the guy with the bright yellow bike. That's at spam. Am All over of course you gotta find out what that dude story is so we just started to talk on the rides and then we ended up figuring out because at the time my schedule I were actually undercover as a police officer so I didn't even go into work till four o'clock in the afternoon so he and I wrote during the week. Our schedule was perfect together so I'll never forget I ride I ride were doing bridge repeats over the key bridge which is miserable in and of itself. Oh yeah it is yeah yeah good times and we get to the other side is the first time I rode with Bob and we stopped and we were talking for saying it and I didn't in click out of my out of my pedal correctly felling off knocked him over and I'm like wow this is never going to ride with me again. Zero zero chance cut his arm and like rip like I think it was a Rhode Island Rhode Islanders. Mike Gosh Buddha title. I'm like man am I a clown so but oddly enough our friendship just flourish from there and then he started a Bible study together on Tuesdays and then Bob said will want to return the Bible study and there were podcast. I mean it. That's really you know we we just GONNA be pro way way more me than him but we just started to grow together and faith and really we're talking about some great stuff and we thought it might benefit other people people so that's what kind of started the podcast too but yeah that was how we met and then we just became really good friends having been in ministry for a long time back back in the day when you could buy radio time pretty cheap I always had a radio broadcast matter of fact I started the power brake broadcast at one time and it just wasn't financially feasible to continue on the air and what I wanted to pick up the podcast idea and so we talked about on I said let's just let's just try it. See what it happens. We we share scriptures and talk about discipleship all the time. Let's just opened the Mike be a little bit more formal and and see what happens so there there we go. We started in March. I think it was a long march. You sent yeah okay so we're new. You guys are pulled well. I mean what a year you were whereabouts Sixteen Munsan Johnson Wow Kinda just when we do stuff we do it. All the way kind of that addictive personality double edged sword to be Eh. It wasn't yet to be in trouble. Yeah I get it. It wasn't on our radar at all last year in March we we were met met up with someone at a at a conference locally here in Orlando Lando. We had a deep conversation about podcasting and wouldn't you know it was like a few weeks later. We're like all the way Monday at work. I'm like guess what guess yes when you're doing a great face for radio. You know that's right. That's right all of us. Yeah thanks for having filmed Jay. Abraham always wondered. Jt looks like this is Jason. Ah Sorry about the disappointment. Oh No I must say when I first met you guys. I was like oh no kidding he. He looks so much cooler he looks amazing radio especially because my JD special mike the MIC yeah. I got suckered a little bit but it's a super nice my he wanted to pick up his presence on the podcast brought a really good Mike we had a cool but then it wasn't working when we had more than two people and we had one of those ones that looks like the radio announcer tight Mike Jenkins the tech difficulties or someone the Kurier stuff the worse. It gets figure it out right right content is king. That's right. Let's let's start talking about the topic. We're talking about willpower today. We're calling it the truth about willpower so we'll hear from you guys guys. What do you define willpower? As what are we talking about with willpower that willpower be the what comes from inside pushes you forward to do or do what you need to do or to keep from doing what you don't need to be doing. Okay it's that internal many times people turn to to the theirselves just an selves and say how can I do this. I'll just pick up my bootstraps and we'll find that fails and the Christian has this all together different outlook because number one they have the power of God within them because the spirit of God dwells within every believer and number two who God is there to help them and he's he's promised to help them and so they're really not left alone to do it by themselves. There is some tapping onto the God's power to do that in that takes the intestinal fortitude or desire and to push through that but I I think the problem is as you know we alluded to in our previous conversation before we started recording is that many people rely upon themselves and I'll just pick myself up and then they fail and they get into a downward spiral. Thank you so much for listening to the strong by design podcast cast. If you find our show helpful in any way please let us know by leaving a five star review on. I tunes go to strong design PODCASTS DOT COM. Tom Your review will help us reach more listeners and continue to change lives. Let's get back to the show part of the reason I think why do we want to have willpower. What's the purpose of it is to facilitate change? Wouldn't you guys had the episode to change or not to change and there's a lot of reasons we want to change our lives. We want to be healthier. Have better relationships improve it work and have a better career lifestyle habits. There's a lot of things where we think if if we just have the willpower and can stick with it and just not mess up that we're going to accomplish things and there there are a lot of ways to do this that are going to help ultimately ultimately. You know like you said it's GonNa fall short. We're not GONNA be able to sustain willpower forever. We're going to be tempted right. It's real we have. I mean we touch touch on a few of the things there's entire podcast for hours on some of these topics but I jotted down and I saw you actually have a book to call attitude of gratitude. Yes I mean just being grateful in the morning getting that kind of right mindset. I think there's a bunch of things we can do that. That will help our willpower but ultimately they will fall all short right at the attitude of gratitude is important for a Christian because of what God has done for them but even in general federal just painting the picture of gratitude it has been well documented now that being grateful every day helps your immune system right right so if you're fighting cancer a cold or whatever and you just started to be grateful about things your immune system kicking in the secondly. It's good mentally you in just from mental standpoint to be grateful you attract other people you attract could good comments etc just because you're always thinking in a positive way because you think about being grateful and gratitude is actually the most powerful emotion that you can have. I I think I wrote it in. The book of My power of gratitude is that I was in Kona Hawaii for the second trip their world championship and I was near the the bike turnaround. The bike is one hundred twelve miles near the fifty six mile point in a little place called Havi coming up the hill. I went to shift down and my rear derail earlier fell apart so them in my chain had nowhere to go and I couldn't ride my bike and obviously I couldn't go back and pick up the pieces they they were scattered everywhere and so I had to wait for technical support thankfully they provide technical support but I had to wait for over an hour so as an athlete I've been swimming in and I bike and so my heart rate is up now it's down and so I was standing there way all the people that I had passed on the bike now coming by me and and not only going one way that I saw them going down the other side after they turn around and so I was kind of fit to be tied but I was grateful so I soon as the guy's got there I expressed gratitude that they were there to help me and then all the way back I just start looking for all things on the road that could be grateful for their in the lava fields these beautiful purple flowers yellow flowers and so I was thanking God for that and next thing you know I was back in in Kona at the transition so I was I was off off by about an hour and a half of my time but I I was thankful that I was not disqualified or was that just out of the rain is in that position. It would have been very easy eh to play the victim of like why why did this happen to me or as we would say like why. Why are you doing this to me? God instead of like you know I just said this to my wife. If the other day this is not happening to you it's happening for you so when things are happening in life. What can you learn from this? What how is God trying to teach you something or houses? This can be for your good or for someone else's good down the road so I think it's another huge advantage of gratitude is takes you out of that victim mindset. You cannot facilitate any change or growth. If you're not owning your own life was that's to change exactly good point my you for me game changer when it came to willpower our kind of understanding how Christ works in your life and understanding how the Holy Spirit works was it was actually study that I was doing on Colossians it was by Louis Giglio Eleo and he talks in detail about the scripture that says Christ in you the hope of glory and he really focuses says for the first time a at least for me it was it was the first time I focused on the in you so I know I would certainly like this and he talks about he was is to it was you know. I'm going to try my hardest. I'm going to be the best Christian I can. I'm GonNa do all these things and you know. Put put on happy face when go to work. I'm going to really work hard and then when it gets to the point to where I can't do anymore. It's like a tag team match. I just Kinda tag Jesus in and I can't do this anymore. Right and and Jesus comes flying flying off the top of the right. I think this is a wrestling analysis so when when he was talking about that I was like that's it that's it. It's always been kind of thing for me. It was like I'm going to work for this. It's going to be all about my effort effort by effort and then the only time that I actually felt any kind of strength was when I actually let it go I mean so focused on on more four of Christ in me and that turns towards the word that turns me towards focusing on Christ and that's what gives you the strength so for me my willpower power. That was a big game changer for me when I realized it's Christ in me. It's not Christ and me one of the things you might look at is that it is actually a state state of helplessness where we find the most strength the Apostle Paul said in Second Corinthians chapter twelve when he prayed to the Lord three times to have the the thorny flesh removed and he said what what was the response Jesus said my grace's sufficient for you Paul and my strength is made perfect in your weakness and so actually actually a sense of empowering our willpower is to come before the Risen Savior Jesus Christ and say I have no strength right. I can't can't do this and you know it's interesting when it says in Isaiah Chapter Sixty six when it says the Lord dwells with those who are humble and contrite in spirit and who tremble at his word and those those points we were humble and and Peter says humble yourself before God he will exalt you in due time so when you're humble yourself and that's kind of the source of willpower I guess kind of jumping ahead here when we talked about but jumping ahead is say the willpower the real strength and willpower say I don't have any right I need help. I can do all things through Christ. Strengthens exactly battles already been that's actually one of my favorite books and I can't recall the author but it's it's called. The battle is the Lord's meaning. We don't have to win all these battles. If you read the end of the book Jesus and God Win Win like it's already a done deal. We don't have to beat se so what's the scripture that talks about when we're tempted that we're GonNa be you. Probably we know a better than me. It's it's the one we are tempted. We're not going to be tempted chapter ten in verse Thirteen Yeah there is no temptation taken you but such as is common to man God is faithful hateful who will not suffer to be tempted above that what you're able but also will with the temptation make a way of escape that you may be able to bear it. It's all him you know. The point is he is faithful right and and James Says God tempts no one race right that's right within them so he tests us in allows the testing to take place but for many reasons for many reasons and the main reason is because his purpose for us is to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ working to become more Christ like Mary if that's just making those advances day to day Christian word of sanctification right which people think. I don't know you think maybe when you're saved or you become a believer that this is automatic right away. Your old self has gone which it it is replaced. You now have the spirit dwelling in now have a conflict but the conflict right so that's that's kind of this battle of. I now have the spirit in me. I don't WanNa do these things. Why do I still do them? Sometimes and then we're so hard on ourselves and trying to earn an achieve versus like accepting the forgiveness and realizing that this this is a process. That's going to take time. That's right. Oh you want to look back over your life over a year five years and are you now closer to God have you have you grown in your maturity. The possible even says in Philippians chapter three is not like I've already apprehended is not I'm not. I'm already there if anybody could claim that he is right yeah yeah I I'm not there yet and he wasn't there we aren't there and so the point is he says forget all those things which are behind and I press forward for the mark for the price of high I calling of God in Christ Jesus that's. That's what it's about and that's why we press on. That's the willpower is Christ in thank you so much for listening to the strong design podcast. If you're enjoying today's show please subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. Go go to strong by design PODCASTS DOT COM. Let's get back to the show. I was just reading a read. A couple of devotional channels along with the Bible in the morning and bear grylls actually has a devotion really yeah fantastic I just started and he compares in in one of the the the readings God to the Colorado River like we're we're the desert and God is the River River and you know over time right. What does this river do? It creates the Grand Canyon one of the most amazing creations on on on the whole planet right but it takes time for this to happen this process right. It doesn't happen like that so it's just one of those things that just over over time day today just constant change things are in motion and you're just making those those small steps towards massive change isn't a wonderful wonderful that he doesn't give up on you know never a matter of fact that's Philippians. One six says that he he who has begun a good work in you will perform until the day of Jesus Christ. He's he's not gonNA give up on you. Fall picks you up you mess up. He brings you back to repentance. All these things are for your good and he's not going to give up on you. That's he's he's you guys are coaches perfect father right that's right and if you want to look at the analogy of a coach you guys are good coaches. You don't give up on your clients. That's right that's right so I'm trying to think of what the practical side of this looks like what kind of the tools or things we can use if we're trying to do you know rely on God's strength we take the willpower as far as we can and then we realize we're gonNA fall short right and then we turn to God humble ourselves ask for for his help which he's already freely giving us like what does that look like when we are tempted in life for we're falling short in different areas you know I think eh prayer comes to mind but what else I think is preventative maintenance. You know you guys the reset button. We always talk yeah. Jt likes refers to the reset button Y- ah the reset button and go back to reset. It's going to get your mind right and you need. You need the daily Daily Day reset that does it lasted very large actually at work. Sometimes I'm like Oh man hey. I'll be with you in a second growing growing. You're really gonNA be appreciate that what they go. Pray Right. Dad's recent lasted until we were pulling out of the parking lot knows about the extent of that is awesome. Absolutely that is awesome. That's what has a lot of people yeah they hit the reset and then they lose it on the way out or they lose Sunday dinner at a restaurant and get good until until they pick the kids up for childcare. You're not lying there already fighting. What do you mean you want this man just bring scripture in the car? Read it stop lights. Whatever you for this goes back to our group man? You're right. They're like this is an our away from our kids talk about God because he's the only one that can say no but it actually felt good because we went home realized other people the same struggle as you say problems is when you're not in community like that which is another thing for willpower environment so spent spent time in the fellowship other other believers. They're going to help keep you on track. Hold you accountable someone you can turn to maybe if you feel tempted anyway with the group. It's like you realize everyone's going through through the same thing when we're when we're at home and if you're isolated with kids you can get down on yourself that we're really kinda. Suck at this. We're not very good parents and then you get there and and you like you know we're doing pretty good. You don't want to go as far as times have you human nature and you know one of the things that I always try to keep in mind with my because if I am set to do the things I wanna do I automatically know it's going to turn out pretty bad right because we all know the flashes beggar fleshes a thief and my heart is GonNa WanNa do things that aren't godly so I have to always hit that reset button for me. I have to always go back and try to take every thought captive for Christ iced and that's the hard part for me in when you get out and you're actually amongst people especially nonbelievers right and if they know you're a Christian so they're studying. You probably harder than somebody. They don't think is a Christian because oftentimes you know. There's a judgement that comes with that for us to behave in a certain way so if I'm I'm not taking every thought captive turning back to that reset button acknowledging. This isn't my will this is yours so always going away from where my heart's it's pushing me too because you know I just will fail. I've taken captive is almost universe. Actually that book the way of the Warrior by Colin McManus he talks about taking your thought captive and he says it's going to be impossible because of how many thoughts we have and how often they come to catch every single one after you have to go in in front of it by spending time in the word yes and kind of shifting your mindset and and how you're feeding it so that you think differently so you're thinking thinking more in tune with God rather than like being your old self and then trying to change it yeah. Is there a certain kind of an inherent selfishness. If you're not checking that I I know I know I see my kids. I know I see myself. If if I'm not really focusing on other people then I started to think about doing doing stuff that I shouldn't get selfish right because we're just inherently selfish Mike you mentioned the importance of community and I think that's an important part of this. You know says in First Corinthians fifteen the bad company produces bad communication leads to that in other words we become like the people we hang out with and we need to we need the community and that's why God is established the Church that we would be part of a local body and just like you found in that Bible study with other people that there are people to have this similar temptation similar struggles and you know that's what were as Christians we're not perfect and we never wanNA prove claim the way are perfect and that's why we have to publicly repent many times when we mess up in front of others especially people that aren't Christians mess up and maybe say things we shouldn't we have have to be quick to repent and say I messed up and thank God he he restores us okay and and the weight the way of Christian is not perfection but the way of Krishna's always leading closer to Christ but we need that community just to like the proverbs says its iron sharpens pens iron yeah. We need to be around other guys just like today our fellowship is we met you guys before jt but that you know we feel kinship. We're kind of iron sharpening iron here around the table with the mics open the other word I really like to when I think of community I think connection yeah and people want to feel plugged in and connected and when you create that in your life with people that are lifting you up and not dragging or pulling pulling you down it changes. Everything is sure does it. You know it's it changes that mindset it gets you excited for life when you get up in the morning earning versus feeling like more was me going going through and yeah. Do you know that the study has been done on centurions people live one hundred or more and and founded other things among other things grateful people and secondly they are part of community and so they share with other people. Isn't it interesting how important that is just in longevity of life yup absolutely and God is put it in his worth as we should be doing uh-huh definitely need each other and then it's just had why this is something I'm we're dealing with now struggling with and praying about and it's seems like an ongoing lesson that we're still kind of learning about out but it's you know we want to still be be with everyone. Be Alight. You don't try to avoid the center. She's came flipped everything upside down. He didn't come there for the the Pharisees he came in. The kingdom was open for everyone. It wasn't established the way we thought he was going to do it. We just heard this church on Sunday and you know it's like when when is it okay one always be alight but not to the point where where it's negatively impacting you and you're like being influenced to participate dissipate. It'd be negative so it's kind of like that balanced there. How do you be a light without being dragged down yourself? You haven't seen why you're there. You're there to be a light right and when it's the light is not being like that's why we need constant even though we go out and we're in the world and we're touching lives of other people and connecting with other people we need to get with a community again right to be reinforced and have the fire within just kindled a little bit brighter so that we can go out and plight white in the World Stoke in the flame stoking the flames but God that's God's does you get in his word and it's like him. put more logs in right there you go on those embers that are burn out. That's right when they come together. They build Flynn. That's exactly right and that's why it's important to for the church. You know something that I get really convicted about is is as if we're not different than nobody really wants to be a part of it. That's one of the things that throughout scripture Paul talks about in many of his letters. He's like you know if if I come in and all these people are just like the people that are out doing their own thing well. Why would I wanNA be a part of that because you guys have restrictions? These people don't so one of the things that I really. It's a passion for me at my church is hey. You know something we gotta. We gotta do this. We gotta live this. We gotta work this out and then we've got to show an example to other people on how for example man you you do one thing wrong on facebook man and there's going to be five thousand people commenting on right. You forgot to put your seatbelt on your way. I'll never forget like they were it was it was a video of this kid. He was doing something really cool. I laughed and then I looked at the comments underneath it and there was literally like five thousand comments. About how dare you have that baby in that seat without buckling him in yeah well she wasn't moving videotaping but all of it was about the negative in that video. We can't be like that. I mean we talked to why a AH we already talked a lot about being positive and being grateful but man. We can't be like that because if we are then everybody's like well why why do I wanNA WANNA be a part of that. When I can just go on the Internet get the same thing yeah people live among people that are very critical today critical of little things and and if we're not careful we fall into that trap and really ruins are willpower? He will ruins everything rather than being grateful. We become negative we go on on a downward spiral and we lose sight of the power that we have in Christ and we lose sight of our focus and you know how it is you probably have worked worked out with people here that have come in in a negative way and say you know things are bad on the road. Today is on nineteen and they're cut off and it goes on and on and I can't find did your building and then they say well we're going to we're GONNA do five rip Max here and then they can't get one. Thank you so much for listening to the strong by design podcast. If you find our show helpful in any way please let us know by leaving a five star review on. I tunes goto strong design podcasts Dot Com your review will help us reach more listeners and continue to change lives. Let's let's get back to the show the name of the show strong bydesign we're trying to design everything ourselves to to be strong in different ways but ultimately I feel that's how God designed us as well and that's what he wants for us. He doesn't want us being negative and complaining and bickering and division negativity depression Shen I mean that's part of the fallen world but that's that's not the plan for us here. I thought you were you wanted to paint the strong by designing his design or anymore. We conform to his design. The stronger will be well that that's that's what I meant. Yes yeah that's what I said. I heard Bob you missed it. Sorry it said double meaning thing but he said so. I WanNa know actually a question for you. Guys is is a because I played college football and it was that was really all about will as far as people were concerned it was about how who wanted at the most and that was really what you heard every single day of practice who wanted the most right if you wanted to start as a sophomore who wanted it the most right so my question is how do you guys incorporate that and still keep a biblical focus and make sure that people know that your strength really is GonNa come from the Lord at the end of this because I know when it comes to athletics for you guys that's always going to be the battle right is I can take this further you may but if you went with God you would take it that much farther. So how do you guys can incorporate that and keep your athletes. Just look it. Look at Samson right that was God's strength to do okay. It's stuff but it wasn't for his glory so so to your point back to right I mean where's this all coming from and who is a four. It's always pointing pointing back up remaining humble and you know we have company core values which we're going to do another episode on but you know servant leadership took positive attitude having faith decisiveness business so few more right yeah integrity we have seven and those core principles govern all our decision making here's a business who so whether it's what's our next product or program that we're going to create an aura bringing on a new team member or firing we work with a AH governs everything and we didn't have that for the longest time and then Mike a couple years ago and I had a heart to heart about it when it was just kind of us at the office here before we got got more more fulltime people here in the building and and we brought in a coach mentor of ours that we highly respected respected and we spent a whole day working out and we actually came up with stronger by design long before the podcast show and in our seven core principles cancels that we felt were the most important and vital to our business and deal and they all point back to God yeah point back to God all of it and so that's that's how we that's how we operate and it's been actually so much better hasn't it to make all the decisions to help with that decision fatigue. I think I've heard you guys mentioned that too. I mean there's only so many decisions you can make an a day before you start making bad decisions so for sure yeah. The more you know ahead of time what what you believe what you stand for what's Okay and what's not easier. It is to stay on track. Yeah the decisions become more obvious. I mean Bob. Always you know because because I I've been known to get in trouble work here and they're not like trouble trouble but you know say the wrong thing at the wrong. Just be I aspro shocking but a lot of times bob is just like go back to scripture is consistent with scripture and usually is it the answer. Usually they're not again. What am I gonNA learn? It sounds like John and I have a lot in common or you're that guy to you. Two are the same guy that's just it which we talked about. That's just I saw John Church. He said well that well. That's just it and I said Chris says like fifteen times a day at the end of every sentence he says well. That's just it period for me like you get along great so oh you know what you're saying over and over again so we can so if he's ever out you can borrow Chris. Maybe I can okay perfect. That'd be awesome. That's a great aw you don't want to leave him. In charge only okay I could break the record for most downloads. We put put together yeah. We'll be airtime. I used to be real there. Although the podcast you said the funniest the had the funniest Freudian slip at a K. remember what it was but man I was man. I'm capable of what he said. How do we gotta move? Ah 'cause we don't add it so a lot of old made this show this show episode back into Ah I love it. So what would you say are takeaway Baba's. What are we leave? The listeners with power comes from God and if you're not tapping into the power of God you're relying upon yourself and when you rely on yourself the arm of flesh says over and over again in the Old Testament the arm of the flesh will fail you and so God never leaves us to fend for ourselves. He's there with us. You know we're told to call upon the name of the Lord for Salvation Call Upon Him look to him for salvation. Jesus Christ has come into the world to save us from our sins and says hasn't First Corinthians Chapter fifteen that he died for our sins. According to the scriptures he was buried and rose again the third day according the Scriptures. We're told him the book of Romans that if we believe you've that he has risen from the dead and we acknowledge him as Lord of our lives were saved as a person who has saved realized that the spirit of God has has brought him to that point and the spirit of God dwells in him and so you're not left to yourself as jt pointed out in Colossians Chapter One verse Twenty Seven Says Says It's Christ in you the hope of glory so Christ dwells on you through his spirit and we're told him first Corinthians chapter six that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit Spirit so as you guys help people take care of their bodies okay their bodies are the Temple of the Holy Spirit we wanted to be the best we can and so with that said he says in the book of Philippians Chapter Two that it is God who works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure okay he's working in you and he says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling so we're working it out as we pay attention to what the spirit of God is doing in our lives his acknowledged the fact back sometimes he's tapping us on the children's might go this way you know or he's circumstances. Stop you from going one direction. The Apostle Paul had that in in go into Macedonia he couldn't go into Asia and couldn't go any farther and then the he heard the voice to the spirit of God the man from Macedonia said come over and help Husni went established the church fill pie and so we never know the circumstances. Are you get our attention to stop but we come back to what the spirit of God is leading yes and when we were in tune with the spirit is through the word of God and three time of prayer and so the more we're doing that for more we take the the proactive part the word of God and prayer were more apt to be sensitive to the leading of the spirit through the day and more sensitive to the leading spirit through the day the more we realize is he empowers us to make right decisions and to keep from making wrong. It's fantastic. I didn't know you of your your a great tangent type guy. It's always somebody going. I don't come on jt eighty. I never have done that to you. Got That big hook off that I always think of that you know that the House US built on rock or bedrock versa sand and and what would you prefer in life. I've much rather have a house. That's on a sturdy foundation in that can weather the storm as very applicable here in Florida to it is we can see that can't waste gracious yeah. Thank you so much for listening to the strong design podcast. If you're enjoying today's show please subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes go too strong wrong by design PODCASTS DOT COM. Let's get back to the show. Got Your website Bob. BRUBAKER DOT com a lot of your blogs go there that then become the Po- The podcast Yes yes I write a weekly blog and and then jt and I pick it up as a podcast just as reference point to start podcast and and we were that and then I record an interview with someone just to get stories of perseverance. Everybody has a story of perseverance. I love talking to people and and back in the days before I was in ministry. I was had a radio broadcast and and one of the I I part of my day was to go to a restaurant and I invite a guest accompanied lunch with me and then I would after lunch I would just open this little gate on this this shelf next to me and the restaurant provided this and I saw two microphones and we would just continue to talk and I put a little earpiece in night here when the station gave me the cutest start program and we would talk for half an hour and people love that they love the ambient noise and everything they felt like they were they were eavesdropping on a conversation absolutely so it was very popular and so sometimes I record my interviews out at a restaurant so I have to invite you guys the launch the guys on location type variant yeah it is fun. I like that I I did that recently for the first time with these headset mics aches with somebody in a very in a podcast live event and we were off right away but it came out great eight and you can kind of tell this stuff going on in the background but it was very clear audio and an listening back to and I'm like that's kind of a neat. It's a different sound but wins It's it's fun you know it gives it more of a radio that radio broadcasts feel back when I was in radio and television there was a director one time at a TV TV station. I was doing something and he came up with this right. Before we've started record he came up with profound statement. He said he came out and said I I know now why people kill themselves Wa. I said okay all right this. I gotTA here. He said because they watch television and on television people don't make mistakes were they. Don't see the mistakes that there might have been eighty takes to do the commercial but the person at home sees the perfect commercial. They look perfect. Everything goes perfect. Lions are perfect and they says the person at home sees that and he says man. My life has messed up. I think I'll kill myself today. It's even worse with instagram and everything else looking the more time you spend on it their studies showing the more more depressant just comparing comparing yourself to these fake profiles and pictures and perfect lives that aren't real. We all say I mean everybody's got their facebook page page. That's what you're GONNA see. I but that's not really what's going on. I mean if you know the person and you're there. You're like that guy with had the flu and they were in a big fight yeah. How did he pull out a stephen answerable yeah well? That's what I do with my kids smile and pretend you're happy commercial time the pizza commercial in Cincinnati and I was a kid who has happens to be the the creative directors son was in commercial with me and we were walking up to the counter buying a pizza and then I was turning as when you got the pizza we walked out and I was talking to the camera and the kid was supposed to be smiling and the kitten smile and they they bribe the kid and the kid wins they threatened the kid and he still wouldn't smile then the time that he smiled. I'm the lines so that in that way but we I think it was seventy six takes we did finally got it and but it was interesting because I went home and I was so hungry for that piece of because they were making pizzas and the place place while we were doing that and could smell that pizzas. I guess you guys don't have that problem since you went through that fasting right well oh you heard that fast yesterday so so if you guys want to grab some pizza after ready to go carbon whatever mike goes he goes all the way we're talking about like or three pizzas kid are you and he looks healthy. He doesn't have to be good for you. Yeah it's great when you get a four thousand square foot gym. Next year is pretty awesome. does some squats then uh-huh definitely not the other way around that might not work so that's what I'm doing wrong. That's why I ended up on the couch and in working they find a bobbers best place for the listeners to find more of your books and and kindergarten Amazon or do you have everything is on my website. Barbara Baker Acre Dot com go there all the matter of fact our entire library of our our power break podcast is they're so yeah awesome. Well thank you so much for coming in great conversation. Thanks for inviting you to do some more these yeah for sure and they're fun yeah very helpful and and I add a little birdie whispered in my ear and said this guy knows scripture by heart so you don't even need to bring bring a Bible and to reference anything he'll just yeah yeah. That's that's bird. Oh you were the Birdie yeah so what's his. Do you have a nickname for him. Then because they used to call whisperer they used to call up and seminary missionary the pillsbury dough boy right they know they push your stomach and scripture what Bob actually when I was being when I came into this presbytery and Presbyterians you're you're you have to be examined as you come in and that's what they said that because I just gave them book chapter and verse for Every question they asked me and they said well you just poke pop and scripture comes I'm very thankful my parents really pounded that in me. When I was a child not hard I mean they really emphasize scripture memorization Asian when I was first ordained ministry in Nineteen Eighty three the church that I was with really really emphasized the importance of backing everything you say with scripture and be able to quote it and so when I was studying my sermons I would memorize all the scriptures and it was amazing how the scriptures that I memorized as a kid came back and what's hard now is being pastor and preaching on Sunday when I'm preaching sometimes I reference scripture and I think all of a sudden I see an outline in my mind and I could go down a rabbit trail and I don't do it? I have to fight that all the time because it's his this from the spirit of God. Is this something that's leading me or is this something digest knows but I'm very thankful for that. I encourage people to memorize scripture because scripture talking again about refueling and ready to face the day nothing is better than meditating meditating on scripture while if you've memorized you can meditate anywhere you could be stuck on the highway on US nineteen just outside here and and you know traffic is did dead and you say what am I going to do but you can recall a scripture and just keep meditating on that and thinking about it and the next thing you know you have courage your mind on the right track and the kids have it every week. They got there which is so awesome so I can't get in on that with this year that in the negativity ajar and that's our big thing every time somebody says something negative about another person they gotta put my on the radar at home yep at home so and then at the end of the month whoever whereas the least amount of money they put in there and get to keep all the money. Oh that's cool. That's yeah which got my kids fired up to steal that one from yeah we started. I'll L. let you know it turns out. Somebody's probably GonNa throw the negativity jars something or have a brand new bike here yeah exactly yeah oh believe me. I might be contributing to that jar back. What a blessing to have both of you here? Thank you thank you so much. I I love L. Go back and listen to this and get more out of it so thanks for what you guys are doing. Appreciate Your Dan of your pod Canada being ready to share scripture scripture principles and and really I like your strong by design you know conforming to the design that God has forced makes a strong people awesome. We appreciate what you guys are doing great and and for you listeners again the the name of of John and Bob's podcast is the power brake podcast. Look it up. 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Episode 270 | 6th Annual: Not Even the Longest

"The comic books podcast. I am your host mike rapin. This week i'm joined by three phantom zone prisoners. Brian murray before odd caitlyn fear high. Hi paul j. either true believers this is episode two hundred and seventy of ivory comic books. This is our sixth anniversary. Annual episode This week we're going to be doing things. Probably a little bit different. We're not really going to be talking about a comic book specific topic instead. We're gonna be talking about ourselves. Because god damnit we've done five years of this show and i think we deserve talking about ourselves. We do this every year. It's honestly just a great thing for us to do in order just to reflect on everything that we've done for the past year everything that our listeners have done to make the show amazing And we've got a whole bunch of stuff to announced today. I hope you get excited. We've got a bunch of merch dropping right now. You can head over to shop dot. Podcasts dot com when this comes out on wednesday and you can see all the fantastic new stuff for the people in the discord chat. That are listening right now. It's not up because i need to hit the publish button but nonetheless if you had over that we also have another huge announcement that we're going to be making after the break but before we get to all that really cool stuff. Let me ask the question that i've been asking for years and years. Now how have you been and health comic books spin. Let's start with you brian. I've been good In lieu of reading my new comics that have continued to pile up over the last year. So i did go back and reread giant days. Volume eight calm. Which i know. I've talked about this show a million times since it came out but it is still very good and volume eight especially is i think like the the moment that giant as kind of became a great motivational story for me as opposed to just sort of like the funds slice of life book that i read. There is a big like emotional punch at the end of this book. And i in rereading it. I remembered reading. I think it's issue thirty two in in single issues as saying like no. This can't so it's it's been fun to go back and revisit that. Yeah this i mean. This series is amazing. I i'm glad to hear that you're rereading instill enjoying it. After a second read through because my my worry with books like this that are so good when you first read them that their novelty can kind of wear off. But i'm glad to hear it. It sounds to me like you're you're saying it's still just as good as the first time. Yeah absolutely cool. How about you paul. What's the how have you been have comic books ben. I've been good for those curious here. In west michigan the weather it finally stopped snowing but it still seems pretty cold outside. So i'm spending my day inside for now cooped up colling with my dog. Hopefully reading some comex. I'm eternally two weeks behind on everything. So i can't give an update on current state of dc's future the current state of future state Bud i i read a lot of turtles comics lately which i wanted to talk briefly about finishing the original jet kirby series from nineteen seventy eight that ran nineteen issues and in the great tradition of kirby's new gods it never gets cancelled before it can reach a satisfying conclusion and He's forced to include characters. It doesn't want to in book. So it's a typical seventies. Kirby book all that being said. I really love the concept of the journals. It's a very jack kirby concept what if the characters from classical mythology where immortal super beings created by the space gods. The sauce chills. That's great stuff you know. And he draws the shard of it obviously It looks amazing. So it's a fun read. And when i finished that. I noticed that the two thousand six miniseries Eternals reboot that. Neil gaiman and john ritter. Junior did was on hoopla. So i started reading that. And where kirby asked that question of what if you know cosco mythology characters were super powered super beings. Neil gaiman ads. The sort of improv. Yes and what if those characters were really doll in boring. I'm so it's a very different experience. Obviously gamons not the same writer writers kirby for better for worse depending on your your your tastes. I guess But the story is that the have all forgotten that their return their living the life says regular people in the stories. I'm remembering their glory as turtles and as you know. There's so much there for game to work with. He loves mythology. He can riff on these characters from all pantheon's of mythology and connect them all. But it's not doing this for big kirby grandeur obviously that i kind of expected which is a shame because you have johnny junior who is born to draw giant space gods. You know like he's the perfect guy for that. So if i'm only four issues in seven issue series but it might turn around at the end. But so far little underwhelmed by neil gaiman take on the eternal. I gotta say every game and experience. Well i wasn't going to say it but so far that's been my experience as well. So johnson after we only have so much beef with so many creators on this show guys. Okay where we draw the line. That's all i'm asking. What twenty twenty one. And we're coming in hot. So that's we started off all vegan beef. it's year that's right and i like it. Yeah twenty. Brian fights neil game okay. Much different note. I also finally read reckless the obgyn by ed brubaker. And sean phillips with colors by jacob phillips Know anyone to listen to the show regularly knows how i feel about. Brubaker phillips sticking kind of do no wrong for me. It's like it's like a brand new record by favorite band. You know exactly what's going to sound like when you put it on and yet it's still satisfying never disappoint you. You know they're still doing it. I really liked this new format that they're experimenting with were instead of a serialized. You know issue by issue story. They're basically publishing three Hardcover ojeda's over the course of the year. That'll tell the story. And i like that form. Exit fits what they're doing right now especially since this book. Particular feels like ed brubaker. Riffing on the crime fiction novels that he up reading like stuff by richard starr who created the parker character Jim thompson that kind of stuff. Which i went through a period of reading myself a few years ago. So i know the beats the rhythms of those stories he's really nailing it and introducing a new sort of popey character in ethan reckless. It's it's all stuff that works for me. And you tell you can tell brubaker. Folks really like that stuff too so it is perfect. You know And i just want to give a special shout out to jacob phillips on color. I really liked his colors on palm the last book that they did together and this book is good. There are some really interesting choices that you don't notice at first glance but when he kind of scan across the paycheck. That's a really interesting color choice. It enhances things without being distracting in. It's it's such a subtle masterful touch. It's great south. The i again. I can go on in have gone on the past. But brubaker and phillips both is working together is pretty much jam so obviously i loved this book definitely i. I've i've been staring at the decision on my shelf. Since i picked it up like i think the week after it came out and just haven't sat down to actually really take the whole book and i. I really try to take my time with those books. Because i know i'll just fly through them. Mom so maybe. I'll have to pick that up this week. Just because i hearing what i expected to be phrased that this book was going to have so. Yeah glad to hear that it's still consistently good. I mean there's some that it'd be said that you know about these old pulp books. You know people would buy them by the dozen and they would just come consistently new old trope like the dad who sits on his chair and he reads crime novels over and over and over Are just tons and tons of crime novels. I mean it's fun to see brubaker and phillips kind of becoming that but in like the o. N. format the on. We're we're just gonna maybe get like another five years worth of them just dropping two to three graphic novels like a year that are kind of in this crime university. maybe they're not even related. They're just crime books. I think that's really exciting. Yeah as far as i can tell. They're going to follow this. This main character ethan reckless. But what's nice is a seat a bunch of stuff in this book where they can take the story in a lot of different directions so they kind of already set up a lot of different versions of this character. They can rough riff on you know and again. Yeah i picked this up right when it came out and kind of on myself until i was ready for it so make sure in the right mind frame. You can give the attention. It deserves kazaa. It's a great book so good here. Kate what about you. What have you been how comic books spin good. I finally dug something out of my giant to read stack in my living room. And that was for goodness sake volume one and then volume two back. Bowl kickstarter Lynn smith who only lives two hours from me so i became familiar with her through comic book conventions and then also my younger brother that follows on twitter and everywhere else This book is about a young woman who is traveling cross country in her modified school bus and has to save cursed demon man from some bikers And then he ends up traveling with her as they unravel like his back story and then the complications of the curse and then the recent losses in her life. I'm so becomes very emotional by the end of volume one whereas started as just like a romp. Basically a fun. I'm right and i read caitlyn. Smith's other Fairly recent book plume and and each of these volumes. There's like an easter egg to that book so that was really fun to see the made me very happy that i have like kind of followed her comic book career. A little bit k. r. I think you and i are both unintentionally following the same creators. i think you must be re tweeting stuff or something. And i'm just like yeah. I'll back that. I kissed her over and over and over. Because yeah plume in for goodness sake. I'm pretty sure i bought. I got digital copies of both of those books. Yeah i really like this creator. And she's done a few things with like slightly larger publishers. Now all of her stuff is is self published through kickstarter. So i'm excited to see like like who else she ends up working within the future diamond. Also just more what she does. Yeah i mean. I have yet to sit down and read any of those books but i've heard good things so i'm glad to hear this. This is a good read. It's i've been. I've been slowly trying to comb through. All of my kickstarter backed books over. Like i feel like. I say this every couple of weeks on the show. But i'm actually trying to make a conscious effort to to actually read all the stuff that on kickstarter that i like saw sample of all this looks nice. Here's five bucks or here's ten bucks the digital trade because when it's digital in its kickstarter just like it just disappears for my mind. I'm like yeah. That's ten dollars that i'll spend in thirty days. Who cares same. I have also been backing a couple of other things on hicks kickstarter which is not like my usual thing. I don't just get on kickstarter in backstop. Except that one time. When i did and i amounts about them on like all right i have more books just on a shelf. Exactly exactly well for me this week. It's been all over the place i i. If you follow us follow me or follow the show on social media. We've been talking about this episode nonstop. Because i'm very excited about it. I got a lot of stuff planned for the second half of the show. I said but let me let me talk about what i've been reading like. I said i've been trying to sit down and read a bunch kickstarter stuff. I read this agents of the realm book. That i think i talked about last week But i the other thing i i talked. I sat on a rea- read was This astor of pan graphic novel that i backed on kickstarter This is by a french creator. Name merwin it's an eugene about the the world has fallen into this dystopia in state and In order to save this small island country where our main character pan lives. She has to participate in a dodgeball contest with Other countries particularly this one very elitist country that has like they've been spending their whole lives trying to train for the feels very much like hunger games but with dodgeball. And there's this very kind of fun dynamic feel to the whole book while it's very serious in one aspect on the other hand it's just the art style. Itself is very exciting in cartoony. It feels extremely french to me. I don't know how else to explain it This layer of melancholy. That just kind of exists across the whole first third of the book that really sets your mind up to kind of chill the fuck out before things get action packed But the action is very dramatic and it follows a very good very solid cadence. That doesn't feel overwhelming. And it doesn't make you fly through the pages it forces you to kinda stay on each page appreciate each little bit and piece of the art And there are pages in this book. That will just floor you. I know that there's a whole thing about how french artists are treated. And and they kind of live their lives quite differently than how we do things here in the united states and i think you look at this book you can tell how much time and effort and patients and love when into every single page of the book And so yeah from beginning to end. This is a fantastic book. I'm really to get my hardcover copy and a couple of weeks Which is kind of the reason that prompted me to read this digital copy. Just because i wanted to see what it looked like to make sure that i you know. Spent the right amount of money in that. It was worth it but Also like i knew this is going to be good. Just some of the preview. Art was really exciting Very excited to see what the printed edition of this is going to look like because The digital copy beautiful. I posted a screen cap on twitter. a couple of days ago about it and i was just i was totally floored by See i highly recommended if you guys are looking for like an interesting. Opn from creator from someone something that you probably wouldn't have checked out. otherwise. I highly recommended astor of pan. It's fantastic book. The other thing. I want to talk about. Is the book that i feel like everybody on my twitter. Timeline has been talking about. And it's probably just because i follow the the main crater zac thompson but this is the body number one. The cover of this book is absolutely disgusting and terrifying. 'cause it looks like someone's body folded inside out and it's gross The artist andy mcdonald is a tackler like his art is tremendous but i definitely expected a lot more body horror out of this book than what we got in the first issue Implications of what's going to happen or this our main character escapes me. His past is Implies that we're going to see some reflections back on his. That are very horrific But the story kind of follows these these two handlers of this social media giant Who's he's an influence her in this. Weird distortion world where this company has invested on what they call human futures And if. I don't know if you're if you're familiar with the the phrase futures of something but it's basically betting on resources To determine how much money they can make like currently in california. They're betting on. They're putting money into water futures because water scarcity In california and. It's very very disgusting. That people would do that. But that that's the world that we live in so this comic kind of takes that idea and puts it moves even further into the extreme of insanity and overall. I feel like this story is going to be about some sort of rough human connection to the metaphysical and what is a human body. And what is the value of human In general which is kind of scary in itself But zac thompson has done things in the past that i trust him to like. Tell a story that's going to break me mentally but also like make me think really hard The book that he did with lottie nadler. I think that i can't think of. I don't know if anybody knows it off. Top of their head from black mask and we're people were basically living inside of each others heads. Kind of relief screwed me up. So i'm willing to try anything else that the this guy is going to come in to me that's what it's called And it's yeah. I don't know if this book seems like it's going to be in that vein of of kind of trying to break your mind through the comics medium. And i'm ready to to see that happen. That's that's pretty much it. Yeah i. I was curious about this book because i think just like you mike. I saw a lot of images popping up on my social media feeds and it was very hell raiser ask all the images. I was seeing which peaked my interest. Yeah yeah check it out. I will say the first first issue doesn't really have any of that there is this. There's a strange sequence at the beginning but otherwise it's i think it's an issue on its trying to establish some things before really tries to fuck you up so i'm ready for that to happen like i expected to get from the get. Go to just be knocked around quite a bit. But i think this is probably gonna my guess is it's going to be a six issue series or something or maybe it's going to be longer nose again. I haven't haven't looked into it beyond just the constant talking about it and people screaming. This is a perfect comic book. I don't know if that's true but it is a read. Okay so if i would recommend it. Yeah let's let's move onto our comic picks for this week comics or dropping on january twenty seventh two thousand and twenty one. What are you guys excited for this week. I'm gonna throw this back to cape. Brian had his staple of giant days. And i have my staple of firefly new sheriff in the verse to coming out this week. This is by greg. pak and lalique. Coming sharma volume. One was early a good time. The captain mile was predictably. Made a sheriff of a town except all his friends are still out laws So you know they get to to some hijinks and he has you know this like moral quandary of who is sides with and such And i'm glad that this the this tidal is still running. And i appreciate that. They're trying to keep everything in canon with the show and so far everything then cannon with dark horse comics but we'll see how that turns out as timeline titans because there there's only so much time between the show and the movie that they can possibly fell in so. I'm having a good time with that as you know as it's coming out I also want to mention loot number one. This is by don hadfield and richard rayner and then the artists kaelin smith who i was just talking about Same artists as for goodness sake and plume. This seems to be a modern story about. A kleptomaniac. Turned treasure hunter. I got real like indiana jones vibes from from the description and the description also mentions like worldwide adventures and rival treasure hunters And this is from a smaller publisher scout comex. I believe and so. I don't know if i'm going to be able to get this physically or digitally or if i i might just wait to see what they do With getting out of volume. It might be a few months before. I read this. But i'm excited to see that. Kaelin smith assigning with larger publishers. So exciting brian. What about you. What's what's your pick for this week. I wanted my pick this week to be. We only find them under dead number five because that apparently did not come out last week. I got a whole thing where my comics subscription was paid and then refunded. Because i guess they also were convinced it was coming out so instead of picking star wars the high republic number one that's from By kevin scott artists Reo at indeed dido and this is technically not a new comic gets a second printing coming out this week. But i'm counting it mostly. I'm just excited for any star wars content that is not the skywalker saga. I want to like start again. Yeah like i don't want always be mad about star wars. It just seems to be hoping that by reading a book. Set hundreds of years before anna can skywalker even existed. We can dodge that. And if we don't and i'm gonna be pissed and you're gonna hear about it. I mean have they done time travel and star wars yet. It's always a possibility i have. I do know the have okay. Okay danny danny in the disk confirming for us. yeah okay. Let's on cannon. Well yeah we're gonna talk about this in the break. Well that's exciting. I mean i've. I've heard positive things about the high republic. I'm really curious to hear your takeout. Given that you are my go-to star wars expert. Charles souls a book like the audio book. I just checked out a bunch of audiobooks libya from the library and then this came out some like well. These are gonna go away in ten days. After burst i gotcha i. Gotcha paul what about you. What's your pick this week. My pick is bites this week exactly. That's my big is actually department truth number. Five by jason. The fourth and martin simmons. I'm really enjoying this series Again the elevator pitch is that Conspiracy theories can actually become true if enough people believe them. And there's a government organization designed to prevent that from happening. It's a great concept but or really hooked. Me was three of the series which i guess maybe mild spoilers if you're trading on this that issue specifically deals with the conspiracy theory about sandy hook school shooting being a clinical false flag or being staged which is a very real thing. That's that's something if you really deal with. And that story in that issue is about a mother whose child was killed in a school shooting but she begins researching the conspiracy theory and basically convince yourself that it was a conspiracy and it was a false flag in. That's when the series we start exploring the real life real world consequences of conspiracy theories which is something we all saw a few weeks ago in very real. You know in real time happening in our capital so right right the fact that we have comic. That probably didn't intend to be hitting so close to home and is it's i think it's a very important book in that regard if they're able to kind of keep them looking at that. That idea of there are real consequences and ramifications for this type of conspiracy thinking so absolutely on top of that. It's also really good book. I think visually is very stunning. Alex simmons artwork. I think tins very good writer so I also want to give a shoutout to front of the show. Danny for reminding me that other history the dc universe also comes out this week so second pick so. Thanks dante for reminding me that. Yeah this. This book Department of truth like you said it does feel like it's it may be become one of those very important books and it's it's definitely a book that the more i read it. I'm like tinian. Feels like he's walking is incredibly thin ice like just in general because i feel like a misstep in this book could really just throw it off the deep end where you'd never really wanna come back to it because it either goes to wacky or gets too serious but i feel like so far. He's managed that without making me feel too overwhelmed. I feel like that's a. That's a mastery of this of the topics that are covered in this book. Yeah and it is interesting. You know this this issue. Five is the last issue of this story opening story arc and the whole time. You've kind of assumed that the main character who joined the departure is on the right clinical right side. But i think he's kind of playing with alec. There might not be right or wrong side in this. Everyone could be wrong. You know it could be no winners in this story. So it's very interesting. I regard definitely i. I think this is one of those books that once i trade or maybe a couple of traits come out. I really want to sit down and reread. Honestly do like a big discussion about it just to like see how because like the problem is book is so timely. I don't mean to spend too much time on this. But i think there's a lot to be said about it. The thing that's interesting is. This book is incredibly timely. I don't know how well it's going to age or if it's going to age so well that it is going to become a super respected book like it's really early. It's too early to tell about that. see i. I really wanna do a rewrite of this to see how it feels after that initial review reading and understanding how it works go just to see how it works altogether in one. Go so yeah Before i go too into the conspiracy of the department of truth. I want to talk about my nick but before i get into my comic pick since it's twenty twenty one and we said this for the past couple of weeks. We're doing something kind of wild if you share the show on social media on instagram on twitter on whatever And you tag us and let us know that you've been spreading the word about the show. You know you could win a gift card to comics. Algae your local comic shop midtown comex Whatever you prefer this year because we want to help. People read comic books this year. That's that's the whole goal. This and week's winner is cure wolf on instagram. Thank you so much care for spreading the word about the show in kind words that you said in your instagram story. We really appreciate it So we send you a dm to let you know that you won and look forward to see what you buy with your gift card One of the thing. I want to say some of the folks on discord gave us their picture this week. Specifically danny did. He said his pick for this week. Is the other history of the dc universe So i'm excited for your reviewed anym- cited to hear what's happening there. Because i know nothing about what's going on in future state and in whatever's happening on dc and you're the only person i know that's reading them you and paul i guess but i i trust both of you equally. I guess is what i'm saying Anyways my for this week is nubian number fifteen. This is vdi with rodriguez. Whatever this book is doing. I really like it a lot i. The first issue of this team was incredible. I think that vitas writing is amazing and is unparalleled. There's nothing else to be said. I think they they make a great combo an x men book and just to see these crazy teens. Doing crazy things Super works and it's very refreshing given the seriousness of probably the last couple of months of x. men the exit swords is kind of wacky but nonetheless. This actually feels like a good new mutant side story. This is just a team. That's kind of existing versus like a core x men story. It's like new mutants in helens. Kinda feel like books. Meanwhile like cable and marauders and excalibur and stuff all feel like maniacs books So i'm excited to see where magic in and cypher and warlock in the rest of the game go Because i think there's a really really fun dynamic that Vitas created in this book. And i really really like it. So yeah no surprise there. X-men mike i gotta say You picked shoe fourteen of new mutants last month. And yeah i pick up a copy of issue fourteen or new mutants based on your suggestion and i want to say you only four bucks abdicating. Now it's on my want. no it's fine. it's funny i i. I really enjoyed the artwork like you said it's visually stunning book. I liked the character. Interactions it just run into the problem. I always into the x men comics is at. There's just too many m. x. Men i didn't know who these characters so right right right. It's go ahead. i will say. I might dip my toes back in eventually. Pick up a trade clutch at some point. 'cause i do like the new moons. That's the core characters a lot so yeah said said that for me i yeah i think what's interesting. Is that this book. New mutants feels like a book for people like me who really loved the ex children right someone. That's okay with not necessarily focusing on the big dozen or two dozen x. Men that are kind of in every book your wolverines your cable cyclops. Jean grey. kitty pryde. Kate pride emma frost. Like if you're fine with getting away from those like a lot of the side characters like new mutants is the book for you. sure trump. maybe that should have. I should have said that in my original review. Because i think if you're not a fan of those characters if you didn't read morrison's new x men and then the subsequent new x men series that was written by craig kyle and chris joost. This probably won't be a book that you're going to love but it as it turns out. Apparently there's a lot of fans of these characters particularly a lot like x. men. Twitter is just like head over heels for all of the various young x men that existed at some point. And this this is basically that book plus some of the meetings that have been introduced over the last half dozen years d. just like one off characters that needed to get collected as part of this. Okay guys we're all going to kurkova and somebody swept them up in their giant arms and then dropped them on this island because fuck their parents or something but yeah. It's it's interesting. So i i find that. Take on this kind of Not necessarily upsetting but not surprising. I guess if you weren't someone who's like entrenched and things of i have a feeling though that if you were to read this as like a trade like if you were to wait until this is over or something like that you probably would enjoy it more because i have a feeling that if you roll with the punches of these characters you'll eventually get the feel for them and over by the end of the story arc. You'll be like oh i. I kind of like an understanding characters a little bit more even though i don't know every inch of their you know backstory. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah again i. I like i. I know the core new mutants characters. I've always liked magic moon star in those characters so yeah i think trading might be the way to go for me. So let me know in that drops. I'll check out. I mean or i'll give you the four dollars back paul. I'm however you want to do that now. Okay well we're gonna take a quick break when we come back Huge announcement all sorts of stuff is going to be coming. We're gonna be talking about the last year of i comic books. We're going to be doing a little bit of a trivia game. Brian put together for us. I have no idea what it's even going to be about. Who knows if it's even going to be comic book related so we'll be back in just a second isd This is jeff calling has just wanted to call congratulate you on your six anniversary. That's amazing great job. Also calling say thank you for the community that you've been fostering and building especially on dischord This past year was. It's been especially nice to have a place where i coming chat with Docile and considerate coconut. Something i really enjoy just a nice place to be anyway again. Congratulations on your six years of work. I'm looking forward to seeing another six years of your work and I'll be listening to you. Say hi this is stephanie. Thank you for doing my favorite. We come podcast. I love different. Perspectives each springs. And the different kinds of books. You'll talk about. I really appreciate the insight. The comics and the world will offer. I feel included in discussions and inert drill culture by tia cara and all. The wonderful keats regular comments about the diversity of creative show. It's wonderful to feel like there's a community for me thank you. And here's to a better twenty twenty one. Hey irc be. This is tons thing wishing you a very happy sixth anniversary. And here's some anymore launcher. Hello there. I recall the books. This is daniel. Here danny am. I hope you guys are doing well. I'm very happy to see that. The sixth annual is happening. I've been in for a long time. Maybe about four five years now and you know you guys this podcast and it's a really cool inspiration for somebody that's walked up comics so i appreciate that. I wanna leave voicemails with some thoughts as my guests for the problem Favorite event of twenty twenty. And this is for me to stay on brand. It had to be dc. Dark nice steph metal. It was just everything i love. N some of the things. I hate about comics. Alright up in one but it was still a lot of fun Comic book secrets. Because i tell people everything that i love to do and say like all the time like x. men trash you know batman's at the forefront but i hope you guys have a great annual. I hope you all have another decade or more of virus comic books. Because i think people should never stopped reading comic books. So thank you for everything you put out in twelve the content things for the community you've built on this court it's a lotta fun looking forward to a lot more. I recall in the future. Take care everyone this week on. I read comic books. We are celebrating our sixth ever annual. This only happens once folks. this is quite an ordeal. We've been doing this show for five years six years. Whatever you wanna call it. We started in two thousand fifteen. So a technically. This is the beginning of our sixth year. And we've done a lot. We done a lot this past year. Despite the awful pandemic despite the end of the fucking worst presidency this country's ever seen we managed to survive and everyone their lives the show also managed to survive and i think we should take second to celebrate that the first thing i want to say that we running a survey for a little bit and i made the great idea of collecting a bunch of information and asking people questions in collecting emails. But i didn't ask for anyone's name. So we have a winner of the twenty dollar gift card that we were given away. As part of the survey i just don't want to expose or dachshund email on this podcast. So if you won you should be get an email from a shortly asking. What kind of gift card you for midtown comics from your local comic shop from comics allergy And thank you to everyone who filled out. It really honestly helps us improve show and make things better for you guys for the people that are listening to us every week. So thank you so much for your support and yeah i guess to start. This thing spent quite a year. Like i said we've done a whole bunch of stuff here ivory comic books. Kate brian paul. I don't know what are what are your thoughts over the last year of irc be. I'm glad it was here. As you mentioned mike to. Those and twenty was a pretty rough year for a lot of different reasons but I found myself really relying on the regularity of recording the show hopping in discord talking with friends being able to kind of ignore the outside world for a little bit and just talk about comedy with people. It really really helped. Keep me saying this past year. So thank you to you guys for keeping the show going and we're gonna discord for cutting up over there. It's always fun. Yeah i agree having the podcast to do meant that. I wasn't just a couch potato in two thousand twenty sometimes transplanted to in front of a computer. Yeah i mean. It's i mean it's been it's been a. It's been a while year. I feel like our discord community grew pretty pretty quickly. And we've got a lot of really consistent folks that are coming in and hanging out with us and just chatting comic books in in goose in. Let's talk about you. Know all sorts of wild shit. I mean i think it's because of the discord that we did the snacks minnesota earlier this year. Because you know if you're on the discord you're probably well aware of how often nick is about food And all the various guys e-e-eddie videos that he posts and you know it's a it's a central thing but you know it's it's a. It's a really fun thing you know. It's not it's not all comic books. I've enjoyed spending time getting to know everybody on the discord and hanging out. We do like these monthly hangouts. And we do these book club and we do all this other stuff. Worry we've created this really nice little community and. I don't think that we would have made this. It wouldn't have been possible To to feel this close to everybody had it not been for the discord. I know we we started it before the pandemic but like As soon as that hit it felt like there. Was this nice like this bastion of of place. That we could go and just hang out and be among comic friends and talk about comic books and manga and everything else that we do and it's to me it's it's been it's been great to just beep to be able to pop on and see that a lot of people have been talking and i don't necessarily need to catch up on every chat but to know that this community exists and we don't have to necessarily push it around it. It's it's really really nice to just see like the people who love the show also getting together and talking about comic books and taking recommendations from each other in all that stuff. It's it's been great. yeah and especially. Since it's a overwhelmingly positive atmosphere. Social media can be very toxic so to have people that are there purely for the love of comics. And there's no one you know making fun of others taste. There's no one sort of saying that you know you're not reading the right comics. The ron stuff is supportive. It's very encouraging to see that dynamic of it definitely. I mean like like right now. We've got danny. Aaron jeff I think cinco was in and out. He's maybe might. Just be on. Chat um nick from the show. Listen to the episode. It's it's amazing Like to have people show up and listen to the show live. And then even then you know continue to have the conversations that were started on the show or started in the chat Beyond the episodes and just again it's like you said pulse a very welcoming community. I think everybody in the group we all have this kind of mentality of I've read a lot of comic books. But i'm always looking for more. So everyone's really open to suggestions and feedback like differing opinions. I think again. Nobody's which is to be seen so rare in comic book community especially like online When you get on twitter you get into some of the bigger comic book discords. It's not nearly as fun and welcoming in in. That could just be because it's a bigger pool of people and everyone's kind of trying to be themselves and be outgoing and stuff but this community feels really tight in in friendly and it's always it's been really nice. I feel reflections the show itself. I think over the past five years. We've really made an effort to be diverse in both the self we read and we talk about the kind of guests we have the discussions. So i think is reflection of what people want. Maybe from a comic book podcasts. And i'm glad we can do that. Definitely speaking of communities. Though i do also talk about our good reads group which is as of today. Seven hundred and forty seven members I remember like when kate scotch. 'less like proposed this idea. She was like hey we should. We should start a good reads group. We should try to run it and just push comic books and stuff like that. Because kate was really involved in good reason She was absolutely right when she said that. You know it was a great place to get people interested in talking about comic books I mean if you look at that group. People are posting in every single day in multiple threads about what they're reading having discussions about our book of the month and it's it's created its own independent pretty large. I mean seven hundred and almost seven hundred and fifty people in this group. And i mean i know. They're not all communicating but like nonetheless. It's it's awesome to see how much that's grown over. The last year. I think the beginning of last year we were at like five hundred. Six hundred people select to see the growth. Year is is amazing. We we must be doing something right. And i think i mean i i realize i'm just i'm just talking and talking and talking. Cape bryant cut me off but I do want to shout out specifically to our good reads moderator. Aaron who has picked up a lot of the slack that we haven't had time to do and made that thing run efficiently in super smoothly. Brian i don't know where your thoughts on some of this stuff. Yeah i need to get more. It's one of those days are like like navigating. The website is just irritating enough. That i just don't do it. And then i'll on there for a book of the month discussion or something. It'd be like oh yeah this is actually like a super cool place like Yeah i really like to see what books of the month are picked. We have themes every month and then people nominate what they wanna read. And then you know nomination wins we all read it in theory sometimes me but it's really i've i've read some really interesting things that i definitely would not have read otherwise if it weren't for this group And i'm there. We have a few topics this year. Coming up that we haven't done before like like kids. Getting into trouble is one of them. So i'm very excited to see what what people pull out of nowhere for me to read it Yeah i think we've gotten some incredible nominations this past year. I mean it was a lot of the books we read. I read pretty much all of them for the book of the month. At least i didn't read all the goods. Breeding challenge all completely admit that But i did read all the books of the month and like they were all winners. I really. I don't think there was a bad one in the bunch As far as those nominations were concerned. I mean i think the people of that group Who participate in vote in those polls that we get Always make a good choice. I mean there are always books that i'm rooting for like i will constantly be nominating laura. Dean keeps breaking up with me until it wins if it fits the category but nonetheless you know we've we've gotten really good picks because then i think if you've listened to the episodes we've recorded on the public feeding on the patriot feed They they've all led to really good discussions and it's been a ton of fun to put those together. Yeah i really appreciate all of the people that are on that group. Because i know that i do not check it nearly as often as i as i as i wish i did So i really appreciate that. It's just kind of become its own community. And we as positive and supportive and and consistently picks good books without us having to to be on it much just consistent droop group as is sort of a sourdough starter in an occasional a and where we need to bake something we just pay break a little bit off at the end of the day. It's filling thing that you can. You can eat and you always feel satisfied by. It's a hardy down-home experience. Yeah and i think that What's what's great is to see the other side the other piece of it. Which is our reading challenge that we do every year. Right we've been. I think we've been doing the reading challenge almost every year that this podcast has been around me except for the first year like as soon as scott just came on. She was just like all right guys. Here's what's going to happen. We're going to do this. And this and i was like all right kate. If you say you think so And it totally worked. I think the reading challenge has been a really really awesome piece of the The goods group. I know we kind of changed the format last year to be you know. Just a the irc be plus folks from patriot on But i think that that's allowed us to allow people to read from a very specific group of people. I mean not. The whole group ended up picking like a lot of good books last year again. I said i didn't read the whole thing. I apologize for that. But you know we've got the reading challenge coming up. And i think that like last year's reading challenges great to see folks like completed as the year went on with the exception of aaron armand who finished it in like three weeks And i'm not trying to poke fun at her for that. I've just like so awesome to see that people are so excited to read all these books that we picked in the folks from patriotic. And yeah like there was a lot of really good books in that. I was trying to finish it at the end of the year. I'd just unfortunately didn't because i had to finish one piece so know sumi okay. Yeah that we do have the reading challenges coming up again It's going to be dropping on february first where we're going to be taking. You know picks from the the crew as well as the folks in patriot on and we'll be starting this year reading challenge for the whole year. Which i'm really excited. Based on some of the picks that we have so far. It's going to be a really really good list this year. Maybe i'll do this it. Maybe i'll give it a shot this we all. We really should try to keep our. That's the thing we should try to keep ourselves honest this year and keep checking in and be like. Hey did you guys read you. Know how far are you. We should make it like a competition to see who can read all of them because at most it's going to be fifteen sixteen books and i mean we can swap out things and i think people are pretty good about trying to pick stuff and we've kind of made some rules to make sure that folks are picking things that are available digitally or the hoopla or via some subscription or something to try to make it as acceptable as possible for folks. You know but yeah. I mean are goodridge. Group is is is a constant thing. That i'm just impressed. By like i love the see this that community thriving and i think that it's it's i. I couldn't stop it. If i wanted to suffer closing the group you know and that's that's really really fun to me because to but if i wanted to. I absolutely could stop. I don't know. Was there anything else that you guys wanted. You wanted to talk about inflation. I'm just rambling here. Because i've got a bunch of notes but i don't know if there's anything from from the last year of irc you you appreciate it or wanted to bring up here. It kept me reading engaged with comics. I think it's very easy to kind of fall into a trap. Where i felt kinda my monthly books or let stuff pileup i think doing the show and talking to people and discord kept me engaged and me make sure i was reading my books and reading stuff i liked. You know using comics as a distraction from everything else kind of helped in a lot of waste this past year or so As i said be able to have a hobby that you can share with other people who know it's not just me reading comics myself. It's actually hasn't people to talk to about talk to them about talk about them with real It really helped you so yeah. I just wanna finish with that. I guess nice to have a reason to like dig a little bit deeper into one. I'm reading. I was a english major and i feel like i've largely. That's not really relevant to my life anymore. But i still have that background. So i'm still pick out references and and foreshadowing and things like that. And i just don't because i have no reason to now other than your yes i rate this four or five stars and good reads and here's two sentences to why but with the podcast. I've got a place to put more thoughts so it's worth having more thoughts about things get more out of my reading because of the that for sure i'd really any social interaction this past year as a blessing fun. I've been slowly going barrel in my own home and getting getting voices outside of my my usual like talking to kate or having the guys at work like is always a blessing. The voices in your head or not as entertaining as we are brian. Yeah now they only talk about you know fire and murder. Wow okay well. I don't know how to transition from that no i i totally agree. I think it's nice to have like a community online. Were normally you would probably go get together with friends or go out and do something like to be able to just kinda sit down at your computer. It'd be like oh. There's there's a group of people here that i can. I can talk to whether it's you know ours. Scheduled recording for the show or trump. Just jumping on dischord Or you know whatever it like. There's a group of people that There's always at least one or two people around who wanted to chat about comic books or chat about anything really And i've found that to be pretty nice this past year just like yeah. I also letting people imme- basically just screaming into a microphone. That people has has been fun to kind of let out indirectly let out of a lot of frustration. So i guess. I gotta thank you guys that a week in week out. I mean the other thing. I wanna talk about as well was our patron that we did this past year. We've been doing for a little while now. I think this was like our most ambitious year for patriot on Which wasn't a response to like being indoors or saying. Hey we've got all this free time. I think you know before the end of two thousand. Nineteen i was like. I wanna do a lot of stuff with the patriots this year And you know we did the big thing. I want to talk about his our saga of saga series. That we did with like. I can't believe that we actually did. I remember when we wrapped up and scheduled to last episode. I was like faulk if done like we did. Fifty four plus twelve or whatever episodes. I think it was like sixty three episodes. Sixty four episodes total like ten twenty minutes at a time in which is a ton and we released a ton of them. You know to people twice a week. I think on the patriots and Was ambitious like i remember when i conceive the idea in the summer of twenty nineteen at the end i was like. Here's what i wanna do. Do you guys think this is possible. And of course care. Brian and kate stepped up and they were. Just like yeah. We love saga. And then i think that i must have tricked them because it was such an endeavor out. Write down notes and you know and and record you know. We had to record constantly because we had so many episodes to go through. And luckily we've got zander. Who is the greatest person in the world putting everything together just dropping all these episodes and stuff and i. I hope that people enjoyed it because it was ultimately. It was a lot of fun to revisit all of saga. But it was still like a huge endeavor which we've kind of decided to try to revamp for this upcoming year but Yeah i don't know. I was You could really tell which episodes we recorded at the same time if you're listening to them a you're benching this series if heroes gathering like more and more unstable and then we would cut back to fully functional adult humans again in the next episode. They recorded that the next week at the garden. Yeah yeah i mean. I don't know it was a lot of fun. I mean the other thing you know. I think we this movie club which has been a lot of fun. It's myself in. Paul and brian Paul i'll defer to use this kind of your your brainchild. Yeah and. I'm glad everyone's enjoying it. I've had a blast doing it The idea was that the the only other thing. I like talking about as much as comics as movies so if i could combine the two that'd be ideal and liking that connection and i think the purpose of this series was less about. Let's just talk about movies that are based on comic books intellectual property. Let's talk about. Maybe the intersection between the two mediums. 'cause movies and comics are sort of like in terms of our forms. They seem like cousins to me very similar ways but the experience the experience of each a very different. So i think we've made a good attempt to talk about comic book movies as What they can bring to the story. And what makes them different from the actual comics based on talk about the experience of both. And it's been a lot of fun. I'm a little disappointed that for our next episode. The listeners have chosen spiderman. I was really hoping for batman sixty six but they want i think in the last minute made a post unpaid on the discord. I was like hey folks. We have voted on. Make sure to do this. And then i saw it took over from batman spiderman. You know next time. I won't anybody about the poll making just pick it how. 'bout that my goal in twenty twenty one is finally do the american splendor episode. We're going to make that happen. But i'm glad people are voting on it. I'm going to be voting ping movies. Hopefully that means they're engaged enjoying it in watching movies that they haven't seen before or watching. The new said is when they go back to revisit them. I really been enjoying the series a lot. So i don't know mike or brian. Do you have some two cents to throw in here regarding that show. It's a lot of fun. I enjoy being being made step outside my comfort zone. A little bit the the documentary from nineteen eighty nine. That's totally escaping. My job governmental. Not something i ever read or watched on my own. And that's not to say that. I loved it but it's good to be exposed to things that are outside your wheelhouse kind of felt about our our first good reads episode or twenty twenty one. Mike and i talked about. Why art food. yeah. I think it's definitely been fun because i've seen a seen almost all of the movies with the exception of Actually no i haven't seen all the movies it's definitely been like. These are all movies that have been on my to watch list. You know if. I haven't seen them as someone who's just like yeah you know i should. I should try to take in as much stuff as i can So it's nice to have like the forcing factor of the patron gets a vote on this thing and then we have to watch it. I'm and it's in the discuss it and of course like we. I think the three of us come at things with kind of pretty different perspectives. All things considered about how we what we liked about things that we didn't like about things We all agree that someone created a comic book that features mickey mouse having sex with someone is not really interesting. I like that part. But at the same time you know paul you really love goats world and i was not a huge fan of it. And you know what i brian. I think you were kind of middling on it. I can't recall but like to see the very like to hear the varying viewpoints on. It is is is pretty refreshing. Because i think you know we try to stay pretty positive on the show for the most part and when it comes to movies i think we we have a little bit more elbow room to kind of be harsh on them. Because it's just movies right. It's just who cares. It's not the precious comic books that we love. So i i. I just like the way that we approach things. I'm very excited to see what other movies we do this year. Because i know we've got a whole list of things that are potential voting options coming up. That are gonna be really really exciting. So it's it's been a blast. Yeah yeah i'm really enjoying it and Again anyone listening If you're on the patriot or not or on a discordant not says some suggestions I'm always looking to add to our list of stuff preferably stuff. That's not always superior adaptations. I'm looking for more obscure picks indie. The comic adaptations documentaries. But as soon as you want to hear us talk about yeah yeah. Santa's a message. We definitely be up to adding it to the voting. Because we can't make the final decision can make the final as much as we'd like sometimes. Yeah so speaking of patriotic. I actually want to drop some hot news. Some of the some of the patrons have heard about already. But i think we've mentioned it on the live recordings in between the actual recorded session that gets Broadcast to folks but we have a new patriots series coming this year. That is going to be dropping on january twenty ninth. I believe We're gonna be dropping the first episode. It's very very exciting. It's called giant. Days of our lives is a series that kate brian and kate. Excuse me kate. Brian and cara have been working on for a couple of weeks especially a couple of months now as they are rereading all of giant days. And then they're going to be discussing volume by volume We have some wonderful art that is going to be dropping in the discord right now for focus to see. This is the cover of that series. That we had commissioned than by wonderful artist in fi doa believe and it's going to be an awesome series I've listened to the first episode and it is very exciting to say the least if you are patron already you should definitely get on that. 'cause this is going to be a patriotic exclusive I can't wait to hear what everyone thinks of this show. And i'm very excited to see where it goes as they read through all giant days. this is like our new read along series and yeah river excited about a bryant. Kate you guys are on this show. What are what are your thoughts. Here what are you. What do you guys think about this. Do you love you. Love this or not. I'm having a blast with it. I mean like. I said i've got a place to put my my bigger thoughts about things. This is definitely a series. Where i can do that. Like i can kind of deep dive into the arts and the reappearing skeleton throughout the issues. And it's really nice to have people to like analyze this comic worth even though it's you know it's a it's a day in the life book it's a fun comic book but they're still you know artistic value and it's nice to be able to talk about that. Yeah i think the uk are all like tuned slightly different wavelengths so when we get together and talk about these books guys always notice stuff that did not stand out to me. And so i think having these discussions is a lot of fun and and we also are you know frankly just kind of silly give very very goofy on this show. And i think that that is delightful. That release suits giant days as book. I think like exactly about something more serious. I would be like. Oh maybe we should be more adult about this but no. We're just having a good time talking about this. Good book exactly exactly. I guess i'll finally read. I guess i'll finally giant as you guys made me do it. We got him folks with my arms cottam. I mean it's it's a lot of fun. The series is done so like i said the first episode of this is going to be dropping on. Let me check. I january twenty ninth. I'm pretty sure that's right. It's dropping on january. Twenty ninth on patriotic. And it's We're going to be going volume by volume. So first episode is give me about volume one vying. Two's episode two so on and so forth so if you haven't started yet we highly recommend you read all giant days and then jump into this series. It's going to be a frigging blast. I i love what. I'm hearing so far and Plus that artwork like how do not sell this series with that artwork Posted a link to this in the show notes for folks. That aren't on the patriot. Or out on dischord but it's absolutely beautiful Yeah so i guess. I don't know. I do the one of the thing that i did want to talk about so i. I promise that i was going to be dropping a bunch of merged this week and we are except for for some reason our big cartel websites having an issue so i did not live today recording. But it'll be up at the time. This episode comes out Were dropping a ton of new shirts and joggers. And i think we've got some some other stuff that's going to be in there too Because everybody loves a good jogger. i guess what we've got Let's see. I've got a trash t shirt that you guys may have seen In if you've ever seen photos of some of the irish be folks we all have this t shirt. That's all trashier now. It's available to anyone who wants to get a copy of it for themselves There is a comics are good in. So are you t shirt. That i design that. I'm work for putting up on the store We've got some joggers. Like i said that are. Just have the your. Cbs logo on them. There's also a jogger that we're calling trash joggers. The have the where all trash your logo on them. I got a sample of one of these in the mail today. And they are not today but recently and they are super warm and the logo is huge. It's beautiful on your hip Can't wait to see you guys. Get some of those You've got a t shirt coming out. That says anything is possible after one piece which you know his own fa- fancy little thing that i put together that says it's just a jack kirby t shirt Which is wonderful with a crown on it. You guys will see it on the store and then the last t shirt we have is a t-shirt to is no majd to our friend nick which asks the question. Have you read secret weapons yet. So i really accept free. Check this out. If you haven't go to shop dot irc podcasts dot com. All of this stuff will be up there hopefully we're going to have stickers and pins available. I'm shipping them to a distribution company to get them out to people But yeah it's got a whole bunch of new. I hope you guys check it out and really enjoy it and grab yourself something. Because i yeah. They're really really fun. And i had a really good time putting putting them together but yeah. That's that's the big announcement. The big announcements. I guess we have for this episode Yeah i don't know anything else you wanna about before we go to this game that brian's got going anything in the cia. You guys want us to talk about danny asked. How is there not a fantastic human being shirt on. I think that's because we don't want to give that power to the public. Just can't just declare yourself task cuban. Yeah exactly. I mean you know something that like. Find the right design. Maybe it's we'll put together. I'm open to all sorts of kind merge so if you've got ideas send him over to me because a anything is possible after one piece. that's my mantra. For twenty twenty one. The batmans planning episode was his highlight of the year. That was also wasn't incredible upset so that that's something we should talk about too. I mean we did these. These donation episodes to you know in support of the protests for racial justice. You in the united states and really around the world. And i really appreciate everybody who reached out and donated some money to these causes. That needed it. And you know if you showed us your receipts and we made episodes as like a form of payment payback. I guess whatever for that Not like revenge. But you know we wanted to make some from sem some episodes. So i mean i we raised. I think almost five hundred dollars for various causes through everybody's donations and it is just been incredible. It was amazing to see people reach out and know t care. Put this idea together Reach out to me and said mike can make this happen and it was. It was awesome to organize everything with them. And get those episodes put together and i know we slowly released throughout the year. But you know the goal was to kind of make sure that people were still aware and Yeah it was super successful. You guys all kind of recorded episodes for that rate. I don't remember who did what spent a long year. I don't think anybody asked for me. Okay okay well. I'm sorry it's fine upset. I mean did we record some really fun episodes via video game episode. We did the amethyst episode. We did The snack episode The batman s- planning the bunch of really fun stuff interviews with with various creators. It was really cool to just see. People like especially the creators. were just like. Yeah we'll jump on board for this see i. I really can't thank you listeners. Out there enough everybody who donated money. It was truly like very kind of you to do that. in in work with us to make that happen and i'm glad that you know the money went to the right places for everything and yeah if you haven't you should keep donating keep donating to the cause of the needed because they definitely are always in need. Yeah let's see other stuff from the chat that people are talking about. Nick said that. Having danny on the show was the highlight of his year. I have another announcement. Nick is no longer on the show. just kidding just kidding was wild year. We did a whole bunch of stuff. We did a bunch of creator interviews with just folks from all over the board and yet i we've got a bunch of that other stuff coming up for this year like i can say we've got a bunch of guests episodes lined up. They're not going to be full like interview so much as we're going to have some folks come in who are comic book experts and just really fun people to talk to And have them talk about comic books with us just like a regular episode or aiming to do a lot of that this year. At least that's what i'm trying to do. I'm trying to bring people in for the next couple of months. that You know we think are pretty good comic book. Experts and folks that have podcasts or creating comic books or doing other things. And we've got some really cool people lined up. And we've given a little bit of a preview to some of the patrons on dischord but Yeah it's it's going to be going to be exciting like the next couple of months. You've got some really fun. Guest coming on yeah. I don't know i'm going to keep just keep talking. You guys got it. You gotta we gotta move onto something else was it were there any other highlights that you guys wanted to go over for the year that you can think of you. Rack your brain. I know it was fun talking to rene about superman. We did mini episode together. That was always fun. I always like to talk about superman especially with another die. Hard fan and then We had friend of the show. Amy on way back with the pandemic shutdown. I happened feels like five years ago. That was really fun episode to so. Yeah i've gotten more into manga which is partially as fall and partially my fault. Actually really good mangas fault. So it's been. It's been a lot of fun. We get some other some other folks in the chatter saying you know planning planning on going to emerald city comecon and the not going man. I i will say. Last year was supposed to be a huge year for the show like in terms of travel in terms of like conventions. And all this other stuff. We had so many things lined up. That were potentially going to happen like old. Emerald city is going to try to do something big for new york city comecon. It was going to try to get a booth at brooklyn comic con. I was going to try to get basically. Just try to go to as many conventions. I possibly could that. We're like in the new york radius And then try to go see to go to emerald city goatee calf all this shit. I was just like fucking. I'm thrown all my money at this thing and unfortunately nothing happened. So i'm hoping that once the pandemic is in a safe enough spot where travel is is okay then conventions are okay to attend That we can do all that stuff and whether that's this year or next year we'll see but it's still something i really want to do because i was really looking forward to meeting a lot of the folks who are who are dedicated listeners. The show and have been like you know talking with us on discord and hanging out with us Just unfortunately just didn't work Is really really a bummer. But you know what we've we've been able to make that work online and hang out. And i think that's been at least in okay tradeoff. All things considered you know. Yeah yeah so i guess. Let's let's get into this skin. This little game that bryan bryan ryan gauntlet. I've laid out for you. I have no idea what this is going to be very excited. Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the inaugural trivia shell at what i i s e cb tribute challenge. I do not mean it. Trivia challenge undertaken by iris. Ep i mean this is rcb trivia. Oh no i'll be challenging my dear friends and co host. Oh no just a couple of a couple of rules to get started. What we're gonna do is. I'm going to present you with ten multiple choice questions each one. You will have the ability to boston before. I read the answers. If you feel confident you can buzz. And if you get it right you'll receive two points If you wait until i read the the answers you'll get one point for a correct guess. Can these second rule is that they're going to be times. I'm going to ask you for an episode. You can either give me the episode title or the episode number. Unfortunately i cannot accept the one where we talked about x. y. because i did not release it to all two hundred sixty seven episodes of this podcast prepare. Okay okay if we get to a point where we think nobody's gonna get it. We'll go buy prices right roles closest without going over. Okay okay so without further ado. Let's get started with question number one at up you'll have your buzzers up and ready ideal. Ideal what was the first comic pick on the show. Nobody has guess now. Guess wow was it. Hey aliens fire in stone. Be rasping see. They're not like us or d. She hulk micheals buzzed. And what do you got for us mike. I think it's aliens firestone. Mike thinks it's aliens firestone. Mike is incorrect. Son of a your you. I've now forgotten what you said but it was see whatever see c. They're not like us. That is correct. That is one point for kate. Holy shit brian. This is some deep stuff. Honestly it's probably going to be really hard and you're probably not gonna know most of these but Yeah i had a lot of fun picking these questions so nick. You're correct that was your peck. Yeah okay. I was wondering if you actually skimmed through these episodes to get that because sometimes this this show notes. I don't list things in order. Which i know folks complain about but like if you wanna come intern for us for free in order things we talk about. You're more than welcome. I'll definitely give you all the admin privileges to do that. So i relied on the show except what i couldn't actually skipped the episode. Okay reset your buzzers and okay. Go to question number two. What was the first episode without. Mike was it a episode eighteen free comic book day in age of ultra episode. Twenty two hashtag name. Three artists episode. Twenty five dc versus the other big two or episode thirty. What is it with genre books. Paul has buzzed in. This is a total gas. I'm the saves episode thirty. It was not episode thirty. My you got. I'm going to say episode episode. Twenty two you said. I did say that. Yes which would name three artists. I think that's the one that was not the one. Fuck i'm gonna guess the episode free comic book day. Okay amazingly managed to guess the three incorrect answers no episode twenty five dc versus the big to was on that notice owed. I don't think. I kept my notes from when i was buying this together. So i'm not sure I think that might have just been. That was actually paul nick and john. Maybe host zander and john discussed cop x. Online goodness from from way back when john francois was periodically holy smokes. Okay let's go to question number three. This one is Appropriate who were the guests on the first irc annual. Was it a brian. Nick and paul be paul. Nicosia see paul neck. kate scotch. Listen brian or de paul. Zander neck buzz. Oh i'm sorry not researcher buzzers but like de paul's it or nick. That is correct. Yeah yeah the rare zander appearance on the air. Those always stood out to me. When i was when i was setting these up. I have reset your buzzers this time. Okay thank you question number four this. What is a shoutout to nick white in the chat which episode i featured knicks library. Shame was a episode. Eighty four the politics at comic books. Was it be episode one. Oh seven library. Penalty niagara was see episode. One fifteen kids in their turtles. My right or was it episode. One thirty six. We're getting nikolai break card again. Mike episode of one. Oh eight or whatever. The library dot grata. That is correct. I was hoping i could read haraguchi. Make you think that that's to easy. So that okay i feel like ken jennings or jennings here because i know so much about this show for the most part just in my head in ways that like. I've forgotten how to drive but i know everything about irish. I feel at all in k. Here question danny looks like yes. Nick has in fact gotten a library card. So congratulations nick. Way to go a question number five. What was the topic. The subject of discussion when the phrase we're all trash here was coined was a tv. Be fan fiction c. movies or d. Manca fuck i for certain that it was x. Men sorry paul. i'm going say fan fiction. It was the same that seems like the right choice manga. It was maga while okay okay. Everyone in the chat is very surprised that it was not x. Men as well. So brian stop gas lighting. This is another one might surprise you. Question number six. Which episode was the origin of mike wrapping our historian. Was it a episode. One seventeen special guest matt or was it be episode one twenty eight as someone who went to the liuw. Was it see episode. One thirty one pride and joy shame and scandal or was it d- episode one. Thirty four good reads pick of the month the long halloween. These guys buzzed in quicker than i did. Smokes oh yeah. You'll just all buses since paul i. It seems obvious. But i'm pretty sure it's mike into the loof whatever. It is in fact mike. But that's another one of those. I was hoping you'd think it was too obvious. I was gonna say that episode. I might have said some dumb shit on that interview. So i don't know a ben i mean you know. And that's where we got our infamous fan art by fans show slash guest show. Danny martinez is beautiful. Print that out tattooed on back. Thank you appreciate that question number seven and this time. I'm not going to give you the multiple choice. Be more fun this way out now so he just buzzing and give me your best guess whoever's closest without going over we'll get the point. How many episodes feature mike. Nick ample should i chief. Can i cheat okay. I'm going to go with a quarter. So about fifty seventy you have gone over the next forty four mike. You have also gone over sprout. Excuse fall i'm say thirty seven of paul. You have also gone over us me. It was thirty three while all right crunching some data later. Hold on. that's actually. That's incredibly surprising to me because i feel like i. I've gone out of my way to make sure that there aren't too many. Mike nick paul episodes like i think i've talked about this on previous and about like the meticulous scheduling that i do for the show to make sure that there's a good round robin of people on the show and i know that you probably see it. Like i mentioned to a couple of weeks ago that she's usually on like two episodes in a row but that's because like the way things are ordered. It's like there's always going to be deeply repr- repetitions for people. Based on how i order things. And that's really that's really surprising. How low that number is. Because i think even with the early episodes of the show that like nick paul and i were on a lot of the episodes but i guess to brind point earlier. There were a lot of episodes. Where zander and then john and we had jeff for a little bit and then we had a couple of also a lot of early episodes that were just mike and nick or just might paul outright. Oh that's true when we were just two people. Yeah that's true in the days where we were scrambling for news articles for the show started Yes yeah that's that's just blows my mind but hey in a similar vein we have question number eight Besides mike pollen. Nick who has bed on the most episodes. Oh somebody already has a guess to people have guesses paul. You must i. I'm gonna guess tia has been a lot of episodes who that is correct. Oh it was actually a tie between and myself. Okay okay. that sounds right. that sounds written. Nick called it in the chat as well. Good for you nick nick. Nick called me anti his. His own yarn boarded his house episode. Stuff we get. So you have a number there bryan for how many episodes u. n. t. Both on i don't. I think it was somewhere in the low fifties while i could pull that. I can get that data. Sure i believe me. Got to express excel spreadsheet. That just has every episode that we've recorded for go past five years. Let's see for looking at bryan bryan is sixty. Seven and tia is at seventy three brian. I think your data might be wrong. Yeah i'm in. My data was pulled from looking at our website and then doing good excel formulas. So i think that's a good point. Because i was not including minnie's odes including codes. That would definitely make the numbers more even because ta did that whole series by herself and all that other stuff. So yeah question. Number nine for danny can start an insurrection in our artistic daddy screed. Stop the couch. Stop the brian. Sorry quest question number nine. This'll be another another guess Closest without going over how many main show episodes so not counting many sides like that. How many main show episodes has mike not been on mike you of boston. I i'm going to say twelve. Okay you have not gone over k next. I don't feel like mike is super off. So i'm gonna go with fourteen just going to the edge mike out okay. You've also done all of us. So it's i'm going to say i'm gonna say twenty four. Paul you're the closest without going over the actual number was forty. Wow look at that. I i mean mike. You're always on the always there in spirit. So i have ocean validity that question i see i see oh man. Our final question question number ten year Which regular episode excluding annuals and interviews is the longest who was it. a episode. sixty four just edgy. Was it be episode. Eighty-five jack king. Kirby was it. See episode one. Twenty-one book of the month superman red son or was it d- episode two hundred and thirty one the longest decade of comic book movies. Mike i'm gonna go with d the longest that that one the comic book movies one Mike you are correct. Yeah it's was not. That was a long episode. we We appear to have a winner. Let's get a big a big hand in the chat for mr paul. J. slee our right off did it. I'm gonna and so apparently you're all better. I'm curious to know what other folks scott i mean. This feels like super in depth. Every i truly truly went for like hardship. Yes you did. That was that's ovesee bride. I also had a tiebreaker setup whereas gonna make back and forth telling me good reads book of the month episodes. Oh my goodness bryant on now so thank you. Thank you all for dissipating. And my my maquiavelian gameshow well. That was that was a lot of find. I have just like float away. I'm looking at. I'm looking at my at my google doc that i have of all the episodes stuff i have. I don't even know how many i i sell. There's quite if you have that i'm not the host. I'm actually what happened. This is my show. What the big deal i think. That's that's awesome though that you you dug through this whole thing because i have to wonder if anybody at home got even close to seventy is several hours on our website. One night this past week right. I wish that you would have told me you were doing something like this. Because you could you have access to all this data then you would have been prepared. Yeah i couldn't give you any edge new. you're already gonna be most likely to pull ahead of the pack here true very true. That was a lot of fun. Man i appreciate you putting that together. And i'm glad that you dug so deep on it i guess we we've. This is a pretty long episode. We were talking about potentially doing some. Qna i'm totally open to doing some. If folks have any pressing questions but otherwise. I think that that's almost a good spot to to wrap things on. Maybe we'll do something after after we finished recording here but Yeah i think yeah this is. This is a really fun episode guys. I'm glad that we got to do. I hope everyone's excited for the stuff that we have coming this year like. I said we've got a lot of exciting stuff coming on patriot. We've got some really cool guests that are going to be on the main feed and we're gonna try to do. I guess more interactive things if possible try to do more with with the good reads groups to do more with the discord. Might not be running guns and dragons for people but Definitely going to try to do some more fun stuff Just life hangouts and everything. And i'm glad that people are shown a to are live recordings because it's really fun to have people in the chat Just goofing with us as we get through this thing. So i don't know you guys have any any last thoughts before we wrap up here. I was kind of impressed. Going through those questions shearman of content we've produced over the past five years it's Really i pat on the back for keeping this out weekly which is pretty impressive. Plus all the bonus stuff. It's it's it's great and it makes me feel like maybe it hasn't been wasted. My time contributed something to the show. Yeah definitely at all make sense. Why zander looked so much older now that he's well. Yeah i mean. I i also forget that these some of the titles of this show are just ridiculous. So thank reminding me that. Because i think i'm really funny So typically though the funnier titles usually come from zander. when he's editing so We'll see what he comes up with this one if he's not you know screaming yelling in my ear about how long the episode is. But well i guess you know. Thanks for for joining us today. For for the episode. Today i really really appreciate it. You guys three of you sitting down and talking with me today. And everyone on the discord. Like i said you know. Let's wrap things up here. I guess you could follow us all on twitter. You can file follow bryan bryan. Had you can follow paul at oh polly and you can call kate at kate. L. fear on twitter fell me. Mike rapid and you can follow the show on twitter instagram. Irc podcast Yeah this episode. First aired on patriotism is possible because of our wonderful patrons joined today for exclusive series like the irc movie club saga saga and more joy. Now patriots dot com slash podcast. And if you haven't already please take a second to rate our show. I think five stars would be a good rating We can do that on apple. Podcast stitcher or ever. You find your podcasts. Doing that really helped spread the word about the show and get us more. Listeners can also join our rcb discord community to chat about comics and more and also listened to live episodes. Like this one as we record you can do that at irc podcast dot com slash discord and. It helps a lot if you tell your friends or maybe even your local comic shop north show. Infinity shred is the best band in the universe. They do all music. We can't thank them enough for letting us use their music over the years. Zander is a fantastic editor. A great friend just a a nice person to be around. We can't thank him enough for all the time and effort that we put in. I mean we didn't say earlier in the show. maybe we should have goddamn. He did so much for us. This year And we really really appreciate that. He's he put so much time and effort into into making the show sound fantastic. Thanks to brian. Kate and paul for being on this episode. Thanks to everyone hanging out with us on the discord. Danny aaron jeff nick. You guys are amazing We really appreciate everyone else. Who's hanging out with discordant can make it to oliver. Hang out and stuff so until next time Let's look forward into to an amazing year. i'm really excited to see what we do. In the sixth year of irc be just remember comics are good and so are you In do

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Cave Bytes Gotham Revisited

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Cave Bytes Gotham Revisited

"On Cave Bites, we're going to revisit Gotham before the first episode Airs With My Colleagues Tim Byers and Justin Calendar of the website Geek luggage. This is a show I don't know. We. You guys think about this. This is a show I WANNA be. You know I kind of feel like I should not like it because it's a prequel on I. generally don't like prequels and there's not going to be a Batman and it's it's going to be a true crime show all the almost it's GonNa be set. Gotham but it was like if Gotham city were real and we had a true crime. This would it would be But having seen the trailer, and now we have the before poison ivy before penguin before Ridler, and so this is more than a prequel. This is sort of setting up to be at least what I can tell a an expansion of the Batman Universe that they won't, and actually if you look at history never have handled in the movies, it never had the river movie. It had cat woman in a movie, but you know we've had the penguin of movie but. Never Seen Poison Ivy. So it looks like there is an opportunity I'm sorry that's not true. We did see Poison Ivy L.. That's African. You know my my. This is a You know when you look at it, this is going to air on Fox. And Arrow you know I got my green Arrow shirt on again today. Even though these air on different channels you know warner brothers, television is making all of these shows so it looks to me like. DC and Warner could be taking kind of a marvel strategy here, and just not you know instead of putting everything on the CW, you're going to have some stuff on Fox, and maybe it will only be referential links to the movies, but it seems to me that Gotha maybe a little bit more connected than I thought it was going to be and that's encouraging. Would you guys like? Just you're up next. You know what's funny is we were talking about this the other day on the legacy podcast actually, and if we just felt like if you're gonNa have all of these characters. In the show than it might just be better to have like, Batman Year. One kind of series as opposed to. you know them all being uninteresting. UNDEVELOPED VILLAINS. I. Dunno, it's buddy and I I really liked the idea got them. But for whatever reason I thought it was going to be more about Jim Gordon and just everyday crime in Gotham as opposed to all of you know, Batman's rogues gallery just kind of being involved in it as well because this Gordon taken on these people as opposed to Batman, take him on to me. That's seems less interested. I mean obviously I. GotTa Kinda. Hold my opinion until I see the show but. After seeing the WHO says you have to do that? To me seems like it would make more sense to have a new Batman and him kind of learning the ropes as he's getting started but. Whatever. Well. My question is, can a television show succeed about Batman where Batman is just a little boy and really Jim Gordon? Story, and the Genesis of his of the villains. Now the that's my question Kennedy, succeed that way. And is the writing good enough to sustain something like that. So that's what I'm concerned about. You know it's too early to throw anything onto the bus. Especially, we've only seen the trailer so far cast is stellar. Yeah The people they've cast that look like the villains look really good. So I had they have they cast a joker yet. Do you guys know? No? I I mean if they have, they're not talking about it and you know, I'm sure they'll just sort of you know leave it I mean you know TV they will build it up building up building up, and that will be the big reveal whether it's at San Diego comic con or or somewhere else you know That that that's probably common or maybe it will be until season two I. I don't know. But yeah, you're right. There was this. Just. In the way you were talking about it in sort of shifted the whole story like it. It seemed in the beginning they wanted to do something like Brubaker Gotham. Central Somebody pointed this out to me that this was going to be about you know GCP, it's going to be Gotham. City. And then it became sort of Batman prequel and it it's going to be bad prequel I. Don't actually have a problem with that at all. I'm not I. Think you can have interesting characters especially if they developed as long as the series is about creating the conditions that give rise to Batman and not just like the. Okay. Thomas and Martha Wayne gets shot, and then we have Batman you can't have that. You know we have a legitimate dramatic story that takes us from that tragedy all the way up to here's why you have to have that man that could be very interesting and then Fox just as a distributor here they they have a lot of rights but if Warner is developing this, it gives them the opportunity to create i. mean it gives them honestly a place where they can put other Batman mythos that they're not gonNA. Put in the films and that too could be really interesting. Right I'm totally okay with that. You know you mentioned the joker and it just seems like something that would be their trump card for win rating start to decline. Oh wait a minute we gotta Tokar. Now you guys can come back and watch the showing. Definitely, hold the play those cards pretty close to their chest in the meantime gossips Hail Hydra. Moment right. Yeah. I. And that would be the smart thing to do in all honesty. You know maybe have a teams every now and again you know something crazy happened in a card was left behind but you know don't want any bigger reveals until. you know the show starts to dip. Well, hopefully, they will need a hail Hydra moment right like agents shield did I. It's hard to say it really is We'll see if the writing is up to the cast I'm looking forward to it, but if it sinks below the material than the shows in trouble. I don't know but it it was an interesting idea. is going to be like Smallville for like. Seven years we won't see anybody in costume and then the last episode they you know they all show you see Batman as an adult and the villains are out there I don't know how's IT GONNA. Finish it off but. I think there's just play it by ear in that if if the audience wants Batman than maybe. Let's just say that makes it a couple of seasons perhaps. A follow up season jumps forward a little bit and Batmans an older person. You know he's not this kid anymore we a new actor. We have a new guy playing Bruce Wayne and then he takes on the role of Batman. Because maybe that's what people want. Who knows we'll find out if it if it can survive. The Fox shown. They're on. They're on the chopping block before the show even starts. That's true. I mean Fox has exactly that kind of history and that strategy can absolutely work era proved that that strategy can work. You just have reverse island instead of flashbacks to the island you have flash forwards to. Could Happen. You could play with that kind of device and especially since the Warner properties are playing, it seems at least with different time periods Batman versus Superman is GonNa have this grizzled. You know old experience Batman as Ben Affleck. So presumably that takes place or at part of it takes place some portion of the future. Meanwhile, Arrow is set presumably in the president and got them is a prequel so set in the past. You, know. They can run the Tartus across those shows any way they want to. And I thought when it was first announced that it was going to be its own standalone entity as far as the Batman Universe goes just to give them a little bit more freedom. But as news comes out, the show is already evolving before it's even started and you know that's perfectly fine. But again, we thought it was Jim Gordon show and throwing in all this Batman crap and that's right. Just, gotTa find their identity before it gets lost before we even get to see it. They're going to go he I. Totally agree with that they have to kind of get their footing. Barely. Gave my two cents look for Gotham on Hbo Mix for Cave Bites. This is Tony to Lonzo.

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VFTPB 36: Cam's Surprising Hockey Idol; Brashear Working at Tim Hortons and Survivor Snakes

View From the Penalty Box

31:21 min | 1 year ago

VFTPB 36: Cam's Surprising Hockey Idol; Brashear Working at Tim Hortons and Survivor Snakes

"Welcome to the view from the penalty box podcast with Cam Connor Chris so last podcast or maybe even the episode before you made where what a month into the season what are your thoughts and would you change your In last dinner division you know Boston look I think indicative of of the started off this year I team you're going to be a team that maybe don't WanNa meet in the playoffs because the potential we'll have the horses to move up in the ranks so it oh Chris Pakistan is the season goes along we dealt with moat the lunch or not so him like I often do when you mentioned players used to play with and joke you and guess what he reached out to you I it and I'll just read the parts that applies to the how and then he made a joke I know that this is difficult to believe. Ll So Hall Hall is for that you know I did hear that was I how many years you looked at his career he was always physical which of course that would piss that guy off and a few other guys in May become an after times e paid the price sometimes the other guy paid the price so when you're that physical set the record straight Hollas healthy living in Nashville with good news and I believe you asked if he would come on the show I whose others that if you if we know the union we don't subversive will definitely get you on the show so we're going to start doing that I can't tell you when of interest for individual that I'm talking to that he's willing you'd have to talk about somebody passed in the hockey world and his accomplishments and has a man you know teddy played when there was six and there was bench crawls on a regular basis and if asses referees camp break up to six bytes that are going on and so teddy their boats alibi the name of Wayne Mackie they got into an argument of some he still continued to play hockey and I played any in the World Hawk guy role and Google Ron Teddy to show up top was I left we're got to know teddy was just or their organization we'd be a different drinks and they have ski chirping machines in their head. It was tell me that that's you didn't hockey for a long time after because other people enjoyed teddy and he remind he was a man's man I looked up to the end I can't say who volunteered his time in Emerton at a place called the they've given toiletry some clothing and midst for the winter and Assen at Teddy never look for a publicity to do this what they want to get credit in the paper and I knew a politician here inevitably this interesting politician said world is you're going to be any TV cameras because if there are the right thing because it came from his heart I found out about it other people found out in terms of social media sometimes you're pretty active sometimes do not I think it's there was an article that came out from regarding an ex dealer in Canada and a lot of people were kind of poking fun in trying to fix themselves out should be proud and supporting when you get a man that we'll just used before being the fighter team today you don't have fighters on teachers it was not a lot of fun you have to do what you have to do and that was the same as Donald at the point via news when you are on the top in for might millions from the deeply well we all learned a lot of owners pride instead of not supporting himself he said you know all his pride and he showed up and he did it and I don't think anybody but donald my hat's off to you doing what you gotTa do slowing your pride waiting for them to watch the latest episode of survivor but what happened is like he's a very likable fellow kind of guys and it came down to the final vote he was almost unanimous. Tom Had one ally me off it's only a game show but still I don't think I'm GonNa Watch Tom Could a clean their qua- for being an old guy the guys that were there some of the girls so you can throw the old joke I get it at work all the time you all your the older okay Tom you did the best you could I know you didn't see a common you handled yourself podcast it's called I believe True Grit Life so oh the first one comes from a rocky ten and he says led the Pure and honest in times of hockey that is rarely seen keep up the great work cam and Chris of cap of capturing him in all his glory viewer fan of the NHL. Only so I didn't know if I was reading autocorrect regardless you can always follow dad on social media Cam Connor Image on twitter facebook do you notice that we don't read any of the negative ones so if if I don't think awesome stories getting some feedback that's our reward so you know it's nice if rickie on twitter and he wants to know if you have any stories and lists three yeah so you see each other out on the street or at the practice you kinda aggressive game he was the my mind you know an average fighter but he you know you might get the day I gotTa do it I gotTa be a man so each showed up and also and the team folded after x amount of weeks it wasn't very long and you'll be pleased with the local team which was had he was so rude and he knows as occupier you can't do anything to nobody will call it down and you just want to drill but you can't the other on the ice and We win you're the boards and that fan that pulled out a gun and I saw I and I sit brubaker look at us three of our players that's that's a little bit about I haven't heard Jeff Archie Henderson Archie into the minor leagues I think and I'm not sure about this I think he pulled a little bit of the Gel you but you always makes enough but having said that when you're other game has it's own allocated to get up there so me and my guests we're coming down down elevator now I always wondered I said however you get these scouting jobs Washington right down really we saw his personality come out you know that's taste my mind about archie what a very very good man so that's it wasn't a big Guy I met him in the minors and he would be should he came out the one fight me a clean a clean ah I appreciate the fact that I I'll wait a bi autos mocked

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WandaVision ep.8-Previously On

SuperHero Homies!

1:14:58 hr | 4 d ago

WandaVision ep.8-Previously On

"Buddy you missed out on really nice opportunity. I came to realize it's night as we sat and watched a division episode. Eight as you guys know since. Click on the shorty Yeah there were. There was a very very small windu. So it's no one's false unfortunately that That you miss this is just was against you but you missed. I do believe come to think of it. A great opportunity there. So that's very much so i imagine an alternate version of you in the future. Who is almost overly Like content in his life like a few that lives in some fucking penthouse solo. Doing nothing playing video games working out and podcasting for the rest of his years Kill him and take his place buddy. I wish you could and you know what that window is. Let's think about this now. You know getting out of the fantasy and go back into the i of logic you. I was thinking about it now. Disney has been and this is where my frame of reference came so so bear with me. As i build the bridge for everyone listening disney has been wasteful with their villains in the past. Take big popular names one and done them essentially in making them. These little pushovers. For wanting to move in the move on so to make up for that and now as dc products continue to like unfold more and more in deeper deeper into the marvel world. Mcu they have to really reach out and really really really learn about all these other potential villains people that you and i don't even think about you and probably think about are more because you actually take the time to read the pages unlike most but today like oh. I ever heard this person ever before you know. Great example agatha harkness. If you had asked me prior to one vision who that was i would have been like. That's a great fake name. I'm guessing it's it's a bad bitch whomever she is now. Here's the point where my my thought came to premise worth talking about in order to achieve that capability disney of reaching four. That bike ill forgotten villain or long long. Forgotten name. Whatever have you. They had to have been hiring. Comic book nerds to this research for them. Think about kevin feige is very passionate yes but he long doesn't have that capacity. No one does of passionately. Yes over using the word reaching into the history and the confines of the comics in order to pull out. Hey this could be another awesome villainy. Let's talk about taskmaster master here. Let's talk about agatha harkness. Let's talk about fuckin- zemo. So i think somewhere in the pleasant fantasy of a different universe you quinton are on disney staff. Ask a comic book researcher that does sound like a phenomenal phenomenal. Fantasy can't does donate. yeah. I mean it'd be great it would. Unfortunately i don't think i in any universe i would meet their quota for they look for well podcast interview bill. So that's something. Yeah a podcast shit. Something when they deserve being shed on. Hey and it seems like this. Not yes-men brown. I was gonna say seems like disney likes. Yes-men aren't agree with you. But i don't know i was just thinking about it like oh man how fucking job that would be. That'd be great. You know because at that point you're on the story board as the resource right. Yeah you know look at the guys who who wrote like infinity ward in game man. Those guys had a hard task ahead of them. You know Obviously the rousseau's. I was gonna other credit of foggy. Gets all the credibility of the guys who actually wrote the shit. We don't get nearly as much credit and man that'd be a hell of a thing at least just to be an idea man. You know help them kind of piece together. You know like tell me what it is. Wish your end goal. Where do you wanna end up at. Yes you know now. I was now that i'm thinking about now. my wonder they probably have some staff are permanently. Come a book. Researchers for the entire of cu agean that they have other Referrals or whatever that they might use individually for like each standalone project. You know It's up to the director's decision if he wants to. Bring on a comic book reference makers all of a sudden they're just like hey you know you're tryin uses villain here. Maybe you should blah blah because in the pages. There's an obvious awesome panel where they bubba. Yeah sure man. That'd be incredible. Tikey wate did not hire those. Oh man i you know who who knows. I'm sure that three or four is going to be fine. I'm curious to look in the in the comics. The credits the comics of the movie comes to the you know. It is kind of funny. Because i we've made this mark a couple of times about how what Ed brubaker was on board for the winter soldier. Movie which you know. We saw the sense because he wrote the goddamn comic right right. yeah You know when we recently talked about sin city referenced. The movie in which frank miller was very much involved in. He co directed the bid by the way guys who can hit a best sensiti podcast. Most recent upload headed up. We got the homey. Joe brown tag team with us. Jobs show you. That was awesome episode. Should've check that out so much fun. Yeah oh yeah oh man but you know that that is a man that is a really great pipe dream know to because you know at least this way when i should on could be like bet only have myself to blame for that was my guys or it's passive aggressive shit on the product because you told them better utah up and then all of a sudden they said now going to break mule near and we're gonna do this other shit you know. Yeah like okay. Yeah you guys me you know a billion dollars or whatever but look at the approval rating for that movie insert movie then specific one insert said movie and see you know a bit on that and then they just look at you and go but you just said it. We made billions of dollars on that talk and that that would be like the reason you drink. Yeah as you go home and portion dark and be like. Oh yeah this is me tonight myself a double tonight. I bet that. Then intel's that there'd be somebody there will be somebody then who work as my antithesis somebody whose job it is to make sure the movie makes money. That's true that's true that'd be my job comic. Yeah and that guy be such a picky built yet that the ten percent of the population re comics love. Your your made that position to ask such a passive is. I'm sure the ten percent of people who re comics by the way home. He's proved him. See you that there more than ten percent. Dammit repair like twelve fifteen now okay. Surely maybe twenty hopes. My hopes like escalated to hard. Like the the the roller coaster was going over way too fast g force in that for sure. Well let me say guys. Welcome back to the superhero means. Podcast many ms clinton. And it's always. I am here with the home cabin. Ladies and gentlemen boys and girls what is up. Welcome back glad to have you here tonight brother. Are you ready to talk about some wanna vision on. Yes and confusing the body that is name with the episode or not. I wanted to confuse somebody yes previously on and this is very aptly named episode. In retrospect actually room so a lot of the episode. Was you know kind of foreground. But it was more just really pure exposition yet. This episode really worked to just kind of fill in the cracks own from. Yeah i it was essentially too because this is the penultimate episode of the season yet. So this episode really just kind of field in all of the missing piece this too so that way. There's nothing else from that point backwards that we are curious. now the Oto the finale. The finale is able to just focus on his own self. One thing i was asking to say about that though even though the episode felt like purely exposition and explanations of the past and everything of that sort. I loved the focus and the drive. This episode had like this officer was another great episode to me. Yeah i really enjoyed this myself and you know it could be argued that if you just assume guessed correctly everything that happened. In the past i mean even then this episode still on his own to solidify. Maybe it's not something that's road-building or something that's further. The plot but at the very least episode does do a little bit of character development for both agatha and even want to. Yeah it doubles down on the reasoning for her grief Which on paper you can look at but forget about it but then seeing play out again kind of reaffirms that yet. This very grieving person But yes also like you man. I really enjoyed this. When i thought there was a lot of really cool stuff here and then there's some new information there was. That's another thing. I was going to touch on quick to the breakdown all Somehow in the middle of all this trudging through the past pages of surely. Ah great prologue episode. You know yeah. We still get tidbits in pockets of very valuable information. Spoilers ahead by the way. If i in casey watch it yet. warning we're gonna talk about it. Yeah i kind of thought about like the little like new nuggets of information. We got tonight that a couple of us were very wrong on you know that we were misled on like it's more it's more or less being wrong. Show this but that was the right one right. it was more the show just deliberately lying. And i don't. I'm not saying that the show commission but yes so would definitely get into that as well as the Post credit scene. Yeah so that being said this logan's up is the last one off. Agnes is actually the harkness and agatha she has. You're right over the butler. Yes where's where's the dr kennedy. Oh but added the has Wander wherever she wants her and actually before that even get a flashback. Back to Salem sixteen sixty ninety three i thing was the exact date. Yeah i i can't remember the year nothing but it definitely. Salem was a definitely a computer rendered. Version of a younger agatha Yeah and We'll see Agatha and she's she's going to be burned at the stake or actually murdered at the stake by other other witches. I thought a camera. Reich can darkly poetic which is gonna burn which is on the steak. Hey wait a minute. Wait a minute and this was something that maybe provided some information. But i i would argue that for most people including maybe even Provided more questions than it answers agreed. The scenery that we got was actually really cool. Yeah yeah it fuck. I'll go ahead sorry. Explain it so agatha was brought forth by a couple of which is You know kind of as a prisoner would be to this. Ritualistic looking circle with ten torches a nine spaces in between said torches only eight which is stood in circle. Nine space obviously is vacant. Because the night which is too busy being put in the center on wooden stake potato not not crucified. Nothing so graphic but they like magically cover notre dame radium but all of a sudden. They're all standing in the circle looking at her and they are accusing her of dipping into dark magics. Yes oh always a crime like the dark magics there. So i'm bothered to make it right about it produced books about it and then all of a sudden no. You can't touch it you know so. I question on that matter but not not. Tonight's low. I just question dark magic fuck ups on comic stuff. Aside agatha was found to be using and learning about evil magic things that are not quote unquote allowed to be using so the witches are about you know magic bitch away with not command may look income. Ama of magic beams. Essentially it looks like agatha absorbed of their essences and essentially the magic including of the head which who appeared to be his mother and that was the very beginning opening shot tonight yeah Now the interesting thing about this is agatha. Was ashley in salem. During that time in the comics but actually she even predates that period. She's like thousands of years old And now like the actual source of her living salonga. I assume it's been different magical sources And now there are various types of magic and the marvel comics universe You know we see most of our matches through guys like doctor strange or voodoo people like them and and the thing about like that. Because i don't see too long like the different types of magic. Because like it's just you know. Rather that's a whole patriarch. A bit. Like essentially like with agatha is at least for me been interpreted. They're like her her role in the comics. Always been that Of someone with immense knowledge more so than immense power. She does have a lot of power. Don't get me wrong. But like her her source of magic is more universal. She's able to draw from like magic. Within the rams of you know of being of our universe where dot strange. I've always viewed his power most is being like oatmeal. Oh the Into dimensional but also the cool thing about doctor strange is that yes. He's powerful because artifacts because of his. You know his bound with vishnu. The i should say in. Sarah can and the other elder beings of moral but even more so is that is because of what he knows he can look at a situation and break it down almost mathematically so like say the he came across wanda's hex barrier right. He could if you look at them and be like. This is a barrier made of such material magic. I knew a bill that can notify that. Yeah that's more or less doctor strange. It isn't so much like brute. Force magic words. Like i'm going to punch a hole to this. Super powerful spell is more of that demand is extremely knowledgeable. Yeah yeah that's really what i'm looking forward to. I guess i should say for a dodger students to that. We will finally at that point. Get a doctor strange. Move where he is learned right. That's gonna be interesting because this is a whole new type of magic some inches to see his reaction to something. That's not in a textbook and that was interesting here is that we're gonna discuss later on is At the very entity so even the jump the shark aca the finds out that okay using chaos magic And hell even within marvel comics getting chaos. Magic has always existed. But it's been something that's so rare that most people don strange included. Don't even really acknowledge exist. This was a really long forgotten. Homebrew wizard class. Yeah over a warlock class more or less in frigging like the second edition but yeah man here and that's that's a fascinating thing there. You got a great point in this show. It looks more like just in the interpretation of agatha what they chose do with her it just seems like she's got a great natural prodigy asked tap into power set for magic and of course A natural on hunger for seeking out more knowledge regarding magic and how to consequently become more powerful because of such. Yeah we definitely see that as her motive is revealed in consequence scenes notice. Actually before i go along with the narrative of the episode we didn't get a sitcom intro. No blazed right through tonight. We didn't get no division intro. I mean i guess. How would they since wanda is technically the one who's controlling all. They didn't even try to give us a present day one or nothing. Not even a sitcom esque one more. Like you know how marvel- networks had their own weird intros blah blah for their shows. We didn't even get into our at all. I found out appropriate. Because you know everything else was under the guise of the sitcom fake world. Yeah it'd be weird. If got one tonight it would have been. I still would have accepted it. Had we did. But it's more touching that we didn't exactly. Yeah yeah i i guess would confuse me how we got into one. Because i'm like how was doing this to shake because she did. All the squiggle air quotes. I was doing that so moving on here. We definitely saw our girl. Wanda really being puts the ringo. She's trying to out magic. Agatha quickly our girl. Wanda gets an elementary lesson in rooms. In how which see i put these rooms up and being the witch that made the rooms i get to be the which that still uses magic within them. And that's that was kinda little touch it was so that'd be a mock kinetic comes back later. Yeah yeah it also goes to show agatha's lack of knowledge about wonder because they're just you know get some shit at agatha just assume that wanted to know about something so basic seeing wanda's vast use of magic pill was kind of taken aback when wanda didn't even you know. Pick up on the runes something that i would soon as basic for agatha like in the second textbook for one zero to what we see here is We see agatha put on a display of you know basic match us kind of explaining how wanna could have done some of these things like the mind control aspect and then the the polymorphic. She's like i can do this. And this ban on such a grand scale. I don't understand so you need to tell me. How did you do this kind of again. Dipping back into the will the idea of the being hungry for knowledge and thus gaining more abilities and power because of set knowledge. The use of the bug was pretty. Well done this. You know how how she just grabbed the bug and gave people the visual lesson as well as the auto the audible. Listen she you know. I thought that was really smart. Touch on the episode. Just to show people who don't play the damn time you know. By the way there was a patron episode very recent. Please go check what we actually had another guest for that one for that one year at a lot of good stuff guys to us so that was again a stupid phone. One because of all the nerd references. You hear us making. We'll be getting next. Here is agatha wanting to peer into the past of wanda and turn extent more about one in how she's able to utilize vast magic in such a way and so we go through door number one and one has to do this if she wants to get her kids back because agatha has them stashed away somewhere in number one. We see a a glimpse of the past form. Seiko view when wind impeachable young children. The parents were alive and during the little home. There's there's war. Going on outside is gunshots and people fighting and the hell is placed to try to raise a family right. I'm kinda surprised. Come to come and you think of it. After all the after the episode came and went. Now i'm surprised a dad because he came in carrying look like some a suitcases stuff to sell his winter gear for like bundling up on the cold streets. I'm surprised that they put down like a firearm. Like his own gun for like making sure he gets through the streets. Okay but again was not necessary for painting idea of the peaceful family. Still even in the middle of this war. Yeah there were definitely trying or the parents are trying to put on the facade that hey if things okay we know we're going to watch something. His family time and what better to do that with a king sitcom. Yeah i mean you know. It's funny because like i asked. The question that proved is episode. Like i wonder if these were all set calms. Wanna wash us a child. Apparently they were in. They were and not not only. Did she have access to a sitcom her dad. Had the sitcoms like ones that. I'm not even sure how they exist yet like she had a malcolm in the middle. Dvd in that suitcase. Anti wait a minute. How does that fit into the timeline. Here that's true depending on when this took place yeah right. Yeah that's true. Yeah unless they release the soon afterwards like do the release of the show. This just as get hairy you know especially you can. You can buy that. One is because in the show they did specifically say that she was born in eighty nine and this show was that one is thirty one years old. Which would mean that if wanda was twelve years old here okay. So it wasn't a complete show. I've been been one. Yeah i'll give them because they had a dvd player. It wasn't a blue ray. If it was blu. Ray put down your bitch get this. What's your magic or what you're doing. Now here's the thing that the ending of door number one and by the way cool pseudo nicknamed where i'm going to use that for the rest of the doors door number one here. We saw the end of it. However we're watching season two episode twenty one of dick van dyke. The walnut are something crazy like that and it was kind of nice. And we we see wanda and her happiest with pietro and her parents. Not magneto sitting on the couch. don't you think i. I fucking missed that marvel and One day one of these days and then all of a sudden very quickly fe every well done to everyone surprise. The back wall blows out and not everything and everyone on the rats. Wanda just kinda wakes up a few minutes later. Everything's in rubble. everything is demolished. Her parents are nowhere to be seen. Presumably very dead. Which again we verify that. They are later pietro beside her. They crawl underneath a nearby bed just in time to see a stark industries branded missile in peers. The ground in front of them but not go off yet. it's all black and cases. Fancy gunmetal with a blinking red light. The only thing you see on the missile besides the act obvious. Missile shape was the commercial memphis. One linking toaster liked right. Good tie in great tien and the lights going off in the missile. It looks like it's about a engage. We're all center thinking like that bad. Ain't gonna shit. That's a single layer a twin bed mattress. That's not going to protect you at least a queen and sure enough. We see wanda the child wander reach out and we see her attempt to do something which looks like magic. Definitely not the force. I don't believe and then she's ripped out of the vision so it's very ambiguous. Do you think she used magic. In that moment you're name and why. Yeah definitely they're implying here. Like the one thing i got from. This is that wanda definitely has powers even before she came in contact with the mind gem Which i think. I think that this episode ultimately did could and went all the way around the world to tell us that she's a mutant without using the word mutant. That is yeah. I'd like to believe that's exactly what they did personally. You know 'cause that'd be a perfect high in as to why she was able to do this as a kid you know. I love the idea that again. This show already took the first step over. What was legal. Fits yard in giving us ed. Peters quicksilver kind of leaking those properties over to disney on screen on screen. Yeah and that's exciting. Especially now that we might be able to use the forbidden ward. The way data acade- confirmed that was indeed a wholehearted fake. The at because clever was so yeah. He appears to be some kind of conjuration that she's able to muster up Not not not technically real more of a construct allusion more so than something. That's actually alive. Not on the level of wanda has been doing right. So interesting stuff but yeah. That's the first bit we give them up. Maybe one is is more than what the gym did to her. So that was definitely interesting then immediately after that we go into door number two yay door number two which is The hydro base where wanda was being experimented on as well as of course they won't see one day here because until the johnson. I don't know if it just didn't want to come back to do anything or i don't want to pay him to come back to doing. Maybe maybe knows But we We see wanda and we also see to scientists behind a glass door glass penalty and they say one says the other she'll by this. Nobody has survived coming in contact with this thing. Yeah fuck cool off so go ahead and touch the artifact please right and that was what happens. Necessary very interesting. She approaches it. And then the jim reacts at removes itself from the center. Which was low in the events. Movie floss tours. Wanda vinik cracks. Open to reveal itself as the yellow jim or stone and wanda Peers into it and the abyss pierced back and in it. We see the century. No i'm joking. We see we see well. Looks like the silhouette of wanda and her comic book. Accurate costume amen of very cool very awesome moments was also important to attack on for door number two as the vision fades in wanda passes out in falls onto the ground on her back. We start to see the camera from the two scientists points of view and on their side of the lack of the glass wall. We see just the footage of wanna stepping into the room standing there awkwardly and then without falling. She's immediately on the ground like everything that had happened in between was magically cut by a pro video editor. But that's not the case we just don't see the magic that happened to one here now. This does lead to a fun question. Because i have no idea to go with this. Do you think that was the the gym reacting to wanda. Do you think that that was like maybe a potential essence of an eternal reacting to wanda. Like what the what's what's the deep scripture of this moment to your brother. I just assume that it was. Yeah wonder reacting to the jam or vice versa. More so than the nathan grand scheme like that okay. It's interesting though because the gym. I'm an helped me remember. If this ever happened. Previously in any of the properties the gym acted almost an animated fashion. Like oh it's making its own mind. Its own decision for being. That are a thing that has no mind. And then kind. Of i guess bestows upon wanda vision of i guess her utmost potential or basically who she's going to call It's just interesting. You know it is fascinating that the mind gym. Could i guess fuck with the mind that way. Yeah yeah yeah sure. It was definitely a cool Visual of nothing less you know. So i mean even if there's even if the ultimately nothing is definitely by the rule of cool but no i. I really enjoyed this scene as well. And then you know again. We go back to to wander. She's in In like the hydra sale keeping her in and again she's watching more sitcoms and then after that we are going through doing three number three and donated it three tastes place during the civil war. The civil war story arc. And the when she's cooped up and vendors each queue and she's technically not even allowed to leave and Vision comes in and we get a socially awkward vision. Yeah came in the same damn way he did during the movie. Like doors aren't a thing. Why would he care about doors as everything so vision bra. Come on don't Don't invade a room right but one does watching malcolm in the middle and vision. He joins her for that and of course she has a lot of questions. You can imagine the simple award. Would that man got hurt is is. That is that what's funny. Well yes but he didn't really get hurt c. How do you know that kinda sure. Yeah yeah it was bryan. Cranston fucking like a canopy fill. That would hurt the hospital. Oh yeah it was a hilarious scene though malcolm in the middle sure but during this They have a conversation really about grief and vision said something pretty poignant when he says something along the lines of Was it What is grief the perseverance of love. So essentially implying that this this metaphor wave that wander referring to this wave that kept crashing over her and knocked her down with this. Wave of grief and sorrow in visuals implying. That will all be sorrow because if his grief and is probably just the love you have people living on of perseverance him surfacing even a little bit yeah It was very Humane moment for you know again. A simple sewing a very impressive one. Yeah What a talent for looking at a emotion and emotional situation in very technical way. Yeah yeah know. You must be of a of a moment that i think often overlooked even even by even by us. Because i don't even really talked about this moment. But now the also moments in asia voltron you know we've mentioned like the the oh first appearance in that movie where he comes out like a zombie. Mango together that. We talk about Seeing the hulk buster fight it was awesome moment. And you know but one moment that we don't talk about is the moment close to the very end of age of tron where tron down to his last body and his all beat up in maine code. Andy flies through the woods and the first person to get there is vision and ultra knows at this. Is it for him. That he's going to die and vision of course knows that. Try knows visions wanted the hotel's gonna die and so they have this this really quiet and candid conversation in the woods and again it's about humanity and it was like a really like kind of interested almost touching moment between these two technically creator and created being it was it was about the idea of of hoping humanity by the nfl wasn't it. I believe so. Yeah okay right. I don't remember. We don't give credence enough to that moment in the woods. But i know exactly win and what you're talking about the dialogue. Yeah loss on the. Yeah but anyway this moment here on the on the bed with london reminded me of that. Very interesting cool moment. I really like that. Well done all done indeed but after this or after that a little pep talk it looks like one to begins to fill a little bit better and they go back to watching the show and the town. Yeah yeah. that was the moments when You know Can wanda's acceptance meter a vision harari through a little bit like he gained a couple of reputation done vision your wellness but shortly thereafter Unfortunately all good things come to an end and we then arrive at door number four which is very very recent. This is wanda appearing and walking into the sword headquarters where she knows they got. Visions body sons a bitches. She's at the front desk. And it's like. I'm sorry being an avenger doesn't mean you get to avoid the customer service. Bullshit your morals. How are you know. she's the same bullshit you think she would be able to like. Oh you're an avenger. He'll go on. What up but no. They're they're just giving her the you know the walk round like you're not allowed back here going to be honest. I don't think it gives you a free pass to walk a government facility. That one in this moment of asking what she wants to do. That was the first suspicious thing. If i was like a captain. America's standing there just kinda like going with her to do this emotional this emotional task. I would been suspicious. You're not gonna let her see what was essentially her husband's corpse like what. What are you guys doing. Why is that so important to you. You know either way. She's got to wait thirty plus minutes on that damn customer service phone just like all of us get what you needed you never do but the next thing that happens here is that she is finally given authorization to go onto the back in to what we assume is going to be seeing visions body But when she goes back to the room that she directed towards it is the room of the office of direct. Their tyler hayward was of course the current head of soared this lovely lovely gentleman that he is he politics the situation like no other. He has such a corporate bullshitter face dude. He's so good at it. I don't know who that actor is. He's typecast on out says forever going to be the guy who can just like look at you and he's pretending saying things that sound nice and friendly but he's looking at you so judge mentally and then the things he saying are so well crafted but he's never giving you what you want. Always what he wants. You bitch is definitely controlling the chessboard. Hell yeah any so good at. Yeah yeah 'cause he places first of all he does his job. Well i mean to his credit which is diffusing de escalating. The situation through does that One that comes in and of course she's angry she's upset they have her her boyfriend's body and he he's kind of the cause of it all so he comes in immediately and wanda's so good to finally meet you and best to sound sincere and you know he just took some time for me. We just come here for a second. Just he does such a great job at being the the bullshitter like you say. Corporate man like the political facade. He's a magician of words and you can just imagine so many people you know who ran corporations being like this. For example i if into whatever corporation was doing something to fuck you over as little person and you're able to build a legit case against them eventually if you make enough noise they're gonna want to sit down with you because you're disturbing them up and when this happens you're going in their tents you one of their amdo because you're spending a verbal fight you're expected to have to stand for your case and fight against the man and then they come at you with the open hand rather than them hard fits with they're gonna give you is. Hey so there's in this made up situation with this corporation. i just made up as well sure. She's like hey you know because of what you guys did blase blah like there's over five million dollars with damages and you guys have been doing such and such for years and this is. This isn't right. Oh i'm so sorry well you know. We had to do this because of x. y. and z. and and compensate. You know you you get something significantly smaller. We're going to verbally package this thing to make it look right. This is what you want. You know this is hush money this is go away reminds me of the boys win. The corporation wasn't any of the place was v. Something is the not to be confused with compound. The compound was yeah. That was something similar. I forget i forget either that corporation and they're both should've hey sorry Girlfriend she was sending in the road in front of a spe- trains. You know math of of wrath. Here's five thousand dollars. Like i'm sorry. What grow show show. But what he does is. He shows wanda his team Working on visions body which is severely dismantled and it seems like a very out of place to do but again he so great being a wordsmith he quickly surmises her reaction to that knowing he caught her by surprise. And then tell us her. We're taking apart and decommissioning. One of the greatest weapons a sentient weapon at that and then he also proved seeds to tell her that. I'm sorry we can't let you leave and put this much vibe raynham. Three billion dollars worth into the ground for the sake of a funeral speaks one with great manipulation to with awesome fucking clarity and that's the thing that makes it easy in that it makes. It makes you love to hate him. You know now. It was also important about this scene here. Is that not only good at manipulating her. But yeah it's to the point where he does get what he wants. Now the the real question is why is that he wants this and you know we have some ideas. But we're not sure yet. Because he clearly wanted wanted to react in the way that she does. Which is she shatters the glass with their with their hex magic and she floats down unless she's about to attack the guards hayward jails 'cause off the guard arms down heyward tells the guards to back off and want to looks at at at west left division. She you know tries to you know. Feel his sms bed. There's nothing they're anti no she she leaves and now the reason why. That's so of putting this because every since episode three. I believe we've been told and even shown that wander broke into this sort facility and stole visions body but now we know that's not the case. We clearly see that she left guy in her sponsored car and instead start driving to an onsite location in westview new jersey in the wonderful thing about that cabinets. That when you're in a buick you don't drive it it drives you. It gives you the not a sponsor. Nice car nicer than i can afford. We'll see same wants to shut out. Just give us a little lindstrand thick envelope. You check a car. i'll say yes to both both or either. Lincoln is matthew mcconaughey cutting it as my kind. Not making weird oddly cool commercials satisfying thing about driving. A lincoln driving lincoln before. It was paid traveling. It was something like that math mcconnell. I felt like a high for a second. Yeah well gordon smoke matthews difficult but one she gets in her car and the she's about to drop. She sees an envelope sitting in the passenger seat now. What's his own. I'm getting mixed vibes. Here is like i don't know because the window it. I don't remember if it was down. It was down then. Someone's slid down blow of opie so that she could look at it. But i don't believe that was the case. I think the window was up in on. Was there as if this was something that she had already in her possession. Yeah i believe that to be the case me too me too. It's just the way. I guess the way that they was shot and looked like. Oh what's this right but but drives a to a good old west view in a nice sponsored car. And as she goes there we see her drive by a couple of scenic things we might just recognize. And if you care dude that we recognize. Oh yeah she drives by a nicer hardware store pleasant little downtown street. Oh look there's a gazebo in the middle of town. I wonder who that could be used for. There's a poolside with nice little community center. I'm sure somewhere nearby. And then we see her pool into the residential zone where she stops in front of tall grass as not been kept and dark yard suspiciously like a plot of land. Where maybe a foundation was once but she steps out. Autopsy are cinderblocks shaping. What could have been a house but no foundation. No nada. just there's a. There's a few pieces of lumber in a few other cinderblocks thrown his props but there is never a home there and the envelope that she had was basically a de for a plot of land. That said something along the lines of this'll be a great place to settle down. And then it had Like a comma. The letter. V insinuating that this is something that be vision gave her before. Maybe i mean let's think about this series of events vision and wanda prior to the death of vision. They were in europe but they were or running away and hiding than they were living there. Yeah i mean maybe that could be something. Vision had in mind for them Cow-like a the closest thing to a you know. Hey you wanna move in together proposal for a boyfriend and girlfriend to do for him. I mean maybe but that's that's that's kind of like writing in formation for the past now so and feel like this little tip does kinda draw inspiration from the vision comic book where he wants to know what it's like a normal life in like suburbia so. I mean that that. I'm that that fits. That's perfect but that it's like that bit of tidbit. Really jaws and pulls them the grief of wanda in grief over. You know kind of over running thing here. Yeah and And that That fit of grief and rage boy. She listened all lao via chaos magic and thus the creation of one division westview and vision. We see that she actually created vision. Here not took the corpse reanimated. I made the joke earlier. She's not doing alchemy which is making something from something else. She's literally creating something from nothing else. And that's like agatha mentioned later on a very complicated and deeply complex magic and that's also that they're showcasing. Wanda are powerhouse. Being that powerful yup. Yeah that that's awesome awesome. Yeah very much so also forgot to mention this part twos. I think it's pretty important back when she was at the sword base with the taller hayward taller than he literally wanted to elicit certain things from wander. Because one thing he said that we've got the mentioned was something along the lines of you know like are you sure the saw wanna do just wanna bury him. You don't wanna use your powers to resurrect you dare boyfriend. that's true. He led her on. That's that's an important context clue there at this point. It's very obvious question. So let's go ahead and talk about it like we already knew the answer. He wanted her to reanimate the corpse. He didn't realize that she could just recreate a whole second vision but he wanted her to reanimate that corpse. And i'm just going to lead into. Obviously because i know that's what you're thinking too. That's that's what. The show is. Context clues kind of led us to believe and to make that into joe quick just because i just thought of it. It leads me back to the classic diamond. One scene where he and the of a sword guys like sir. This is too complicated. We can't put this robot back together. Tony star billfish with a friend. It of interest to okay so Yes they had it. But i i was. I was even thinking that like Like tyler wanted wanted to recreate vision. Or maybe tailored literally just wanted wanted To react viciously because you know the he doctored the the camera footage to make it look like she stole the body. And if everybody's gone the no one else outside of He's chosen few knows that what he's doing with the body so in other words his motive is either a gaining vision. Or be gaining a motive against wanda getting motive against one or you know putting on the facade they oh wander. Stow the vision that we had so we. There's nothing we can do with now when reality he still has it and he's doing something nefarious with it which we see true true we do see that context later on our no men. It's it's it's a is strange. I think he was trying to reanimate the body himself. And i think what you were talking about. There was a clue there that showcases he was trying but could you know and they're just talked constantly failing But then yeah there's obviously the end credits and we'll talk about that as it comes. Do helps so bear with us. but effort wanda unleashes The chaos magic that creates the one vision version of of westview We are brought back to current day with her agnes and At this point agnes actually. Isn't there But we hear the cries of a billion tommy. Right and this causes wanda to ecorse. Go running towards them out in the street and there we see a full on which agatha and she has her children like with some magic quartz leashes almost around their necks. Yeah i dare say nooses because the way we were treated just to be a little extra point there but yeah no she's got them. Kids roped up tight like nah. You'll get them. You're you're the mistress of chaos magic and that makes you the scarlet with last. It was a little on the nose for me but it was fitting. Yeah it was because to be fair. Tomorrow i don't know how you organically work in scarlet witch. This is true so the best so you just kind of like smear it in there somewhere like here you go you know. I definitely thought those. Probably the the best way for them to handle that. Oh yeah so. And then of course. That's what the episode technically ends. But we do get a post credit scene again and this is the part that we were talking about earlier. Guys were all of a sudden. We're brought back to the the makeshift sword headquarters the second one even further outside west. Mu we see our dick wad hayward dick word walking back into the tent and we see him county. Talking to one of his other lead of scientists would not go figure. The one thing we needed this whole time was the source and all of sudden you see the the jet that had lasted way that was initially trying to shoot her with a missile arts. Still glowing with her essence her magic her chaos or heck's magic everything and we see that in a chamber by itself isolated but we see it connected to something else in the camera slowly pans over to the something else as they turn it on and begin to vampire in sap the magic out of the the little small palatable jet and we see it being essentially loaded into what is a standing synthetic vision body a a vision to essentially Not naive created vision from wanda however one that was excess put together by sorting. Looks like yeah and sure enough before the credits finally turn off. We see the bought open. It's is just kind of look around. Look at its hand and now off of this is very cool moment in the show. So for those of you who. Maybe up like your. i think. Your nineties of injures There was a stretch there and we was west coast ventures where vision was terminally damaged I believe in in in combat. Okay and how won't be damaged. Yep and he was taken by some other Dick wad scientists who was Trying to experiment on his and wanda and the other venues like a wounded man was there. they come they're able to You know get visions remains and then like the events essentially able to piecing together a bit in doing so like vision is permanently damaged like his. His skin is completely white. And that's when we the white supervision comics and This is definitely a homage to that. Now the thing about like the white supervision in the comics is that When he was reconstructed or put back together He was emotionless. He was more robotic than what he was. Before she didn't have the motion he didn't reciprocate wanda's affection He was just like a logical robotic being versus the synthetic being that he was before you mentioned that such an emotionless task fulfilling entity would make for damn fine weapon. Abc just you know. Treat them like a dog sick at the target they go. What are you know. This might be dick lots objective here by the way they do not need so many dick wad scientists out there coming. All right here hayward Your dick now. I do wonder something about this and this is something that we don't have to stay on because as you i'm just thinking about more legal jargon but vision You know before he died. He said that he didn't want he didn't want to be brought back in any way he didn't want to be used as as a weapon though. That was his verbiage. Well siva and now hayward says it. Is there more responsibility to use him moral and legal legal. Yeah he scapegoat behind that and then also the other question is this vision died in condo. How did soared gain his body. They would have had to enlist vision was moved by. The body was moved by the remaining avengers after a infinity. War in between in game than his remains would have remained in. Will kanda which means that soared would have had to infiltrate kind of to get that i hard. I do believe that soared eventually was able to infiltrate were kanda. I wouldn't put it past him. I wouldn't i wouldn't now is interesting. Because cond does become the four elements in that equation will conduct then would have to permitted sword onto their property because heaven those if sword versus will conduct became a thing. I'm money's on the big. W okay dana bullshitting around that. So i'm sure however. I'm sure it would not been that difficult to maneuver the legalities of that whole thing. Say hey we're coming to get to the fallen avenger. Please us take the corpse into her. You know take him away for us and all of a sudden so what has it. They flow back into the country. And now we have you know vision five pieces. I wouldn't put it past him as a fair point. You bring up by do believe that the existing sword members during you know snap were able to put that together nevertheless you know it's it's interesting. Yeah it is. And i was just curious about that. That does mean that they sat on that motive for them in it They probably working on that for. Who knows how long probably five years that's true. So wait five years. When did he would become head of soared after the snap because no no it had been because Geraldine monica monica. Thank you. I remember for fictional name. Her actual fictional name. That's not confusing of day. Go come on and catch up with us. Her mother was head of sword for a minute for three or two years into this happening. Yeah because we know her mother Got sick and passed away. I think two years until the snapping so two years into it. I'm assuming that while she was super six she probably wasn't leading them. So okay i can see either or yet if she stepped down to take care of herself and then her health just degraded even further and then hayward was inevitably the best choice. I mean look how kerr's matic disaster then okay i. I could put that together if if we had to cover in between the panels for them. Young man yeah. It's interesting workman. Like i wonder if if maria was A good judge of character. I dunno she's friends with carol. Daverson who lives carol danvers. Anyway because like i don't think she has the best character in her life right. You daughter was definitely the carried in your life. Not them scroll olsen anna. Those god started honestly. It wasn't cheap. I wouldn't have recommended him for promotion but when she stepped down and then passed away Maybe he was the best fit. Yeah maybe like the situation isn't as colorful as hey painted it out to be you know. Yeah because like. I mean even joke about that with monica and episode three where he goes and you know at your mother. Step down You know. I was chosen for the position and then Monica goes well. That's because you're the only person in the position i mean. So far we know Maria and In taller maybe didn't get along at all. I believe that they didn't. I'd like to believe that maria was like tyler. I didn't call you into this meeting. We're good on coffees that i couldn't really hear that joke in marvel movie. Yeah i also wonder why in the again. This isn't really important to the show. That much. But i do wonder like a two part question did did maria really tell tyler hayward if when my daughter comes back don't center into space. Numerous space misses for her. Like did she really say that to thailand. If so why here's the thing. If it came out of tyler's mouth we now know we can't trust him. Yeah so brother. I don't know. I this point because my bigotry against that asshole. I'd like to believe that is not at all what she said. And that was his tyler being manipulative an asshole owning the conversation just like his political self and say now you in space. I'm going to use your dead mother as a reason to put your ass on forever. And ever. Because i'm sorry asshole who can't do better for myself. I can see that speaks to himself. Had he probably toss himself while he checks off like he does it. Look in the mirror. I am such a piece of shit asshole. Yeah a bad bad man. Oh man lays girls. We eat hard our hatred right. Good see no none of these other one division reviews going to tell you about how tallahassee with jackson only us all right right i or fucking busby i by the on what i call the fairweather reviewers. Those who who only review superheroes shit as it comes out by. You won't find them when we find that with us. Amen good real shares stuff you can just you know. Get a little bump. Oh yeah keep you go by the way to new listeners. Hello if you did something mature in nature. I do apologize for not reaching grasp brother. Have i got a problem for you. Oh shit bitch While i am really glad that this episode does pretty much all the loose ends that we had so that it can just focus on finale. I still can help me like. There's a lot of the need to cover this finale. Like what gives them examples brother. Yes so like what's what's supposed to be the final resolution here Wanda defeats agatha and then Here oh yeah. We haven't have. We talked about that on area. Oops fuck and we're waiting for all drawn hot. Take here We we do believe and have damn great confidence in the fact that electronics going to appear in the last episode. You heard it here first. Yeah don't let facebook for you. We said i. Yeah yeah yeah so. We believe that. There's a possibility of the big us showing up big. No puppets yes no zone. This guy Yeah but also you also have like a sword vision that we have to deal with and then like you know like what okay in what happens when they're okay. One two wins. The bad people are defeated to me. That doesn't feel like a resolution. No like there has more the has to be something he that sets up for the continuous products are going to come out later. I i do think that next episode is probably going to be an hour long. I feel like it needs to be Forty-six with all the crazies go which is a long than what it usually is. That's true yeah. I mean i think they were all suspending anticipating like the at this point the obligatory doctor strange cameo. Yeah you know. Yeah i mean i excite me. I know he's going to be like one minute that maybe at most a minute probably more like ten seconds bid like oh by just got really excited in a doctor strange. What's benedict arnold. Been up to this whole time. Been cumberbatch. That's why. I said said benedict arnold be known that you call this betrayer. You can't change that motherfucker. Apparently what magic is the damn spending. Damn oh the power of the flex. Yes the hummer batch. That's what we meant to say. And then also pau bitney let slip that there is like a you know that we can expect to see a cameo along the same size and scope as luke skywalker showing up at the mandalorian and in my mind. That's a really big fucking cameo huge. Yeah yeah and. I don't know best just limited to strange because fester strange but that doesn't feel like that's a skywalker. Because more so that like we know that. We're gonna see strange in some capacity or this. Paul bitney being paul betty and just being very complementary to our boy benedict. Yeah but he he also said that it was is an active that he he never had the chance to work with. And it's looking forward to working with. And i'm like hester ever been a moment where we seen those two on screen together because if so that can probably rule out. I have no idea. Yeah that that would in theory easily rule out into coverage because they worked together on several movies ever move. Yeah yeah now just because not in front of the camera for the same scene. Doesn't mean you're not you know hanging out with one or the other behind the curtains and everything you know. So that's that's a clue just makes next episode next week's episode that much harder it does a lot of people out there man. They're they're throwing out some big money names mass people saying you know this is Going to be. Michael fastback going to get magneto in this shit. Louis i if they did magneto. Legit wouldn't care if they from the music to the camera. Angles stowed the luke skywalker taught to me. I would enjoy all the same. I would too. I love the edge. Our i would love the idea of magnetic coming in fighting alongside his daughter claiming her as his daughter. I'm i am no allusion wanda near i and you father listen to me. Yes you know like some awesome majestic this. Is my house tables. Yeah oh man that that would have been great you know what would be great. Would rather me hopeful. I didn't mean to do that. Why did you do that. i'm going to go. i'm gonna go to sleep till two. Because i'm going to see michael fassbinder bender but where we don't knows that kevin feige listened avidly to the podcast and now he's like fuck. We don't have fast bad shit. Stays stacey call michael. There's nothing we can do all michael expectations to meet. We can see his as in there. I just literally no no wait. Maybe maybe not the ass idea kevin. you're listening. No no michael fastener general. Be fine thank you. You don't have to just you know. Get more specifically his magneto. Not not just the man as gray as actors is preferably as mcneil. Yes yes yes yes. Oh man like a cool thing that that would have been really fun to see in this just like in my own little dreamscapes spent this in the show because it can happen but i thought it would be really cool. If like behead given us what the coarseness shows signs of there being another entity at work in the sign was trying to maybe like in the frame of the show. it looks like this this entity. He's trying to manipulate one or get at wander but in reality is trying to communicate and then in the finale we see that is professor x trying to reach mondo shared be some good shit which which well into that question but just iterating a mild which professor x. Unfortunately it wouldn't be patrick stewart. That's exactly what. I was thinking. Because i know he's gotta be tired of the role i do not expect. She said that He said that gave him foggy apparent or some of them are out to him. He turned it down. Well done folks. i'm sad. I'm retired. But i'm like i'm sure that james mcevoy expected you had me hopeful for a second. We said well actually teach you guys. I'm curious now. What do you think is going to happen in this season. Finale let us know we want to know it is up his up and if it's really good we'll still your theories and we use them as her own. Desi that allow surprise. That's how we gain as don't own a single guy down book. We just been great accuracy time which has been easy. 'cause we talk about the books are here but you guys never see. Oh you gotta go through this before we wrap up not really. I am ready for the ultimate episode of one of next week. I hope it is an absolute banger. Homeys i hope you watch it with us. Yes the same way you know the only cameo that's potentially missing from spiderman released the name of the movie. What was it called you. Tell me another three words. Not blink home not not going out coming home now. Coming home yeah. 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Out Of The Basement Podcast  Episode 86

Out Of The Basement Podcast

2:04:11 hr | 1 year ago

Out Of The Basement Podcast Episode 86

"Welcome to the base of show where a group of friends get together talk about a variety of Geeky topics. Find out what shows we've been watching find out what movies we see and find out what games we're playing. Come along and join us we open juncture. Yeah Hello and welcome to another episode of the podcast when it was always a different track. Oh yeah there it is and today. Of course I'm joined into by Paul Center. New Trick. Leeson took him a while McKinnon. Yeah Patch one hundred percent awesome. So we're GONNA do cubis episode into our normal manner before yeah we potentially break it into new segments and you know we talked about last time pursuant segments. We're not. We're not doing that yet. But it's apparently in the works possibly for the New Year anyways still production meetings exactly so so let us start with our usual segment. One our weeks in the humming. Don't start with me today today. I'm starting with Paul. I was GONNA say doing because he was awesome. Let's start with doing since he hasn't been awhile and then I can just turn off all their Mike so we can go way back in twenty five minutes and wait. Let me go ahead doing a hey like anyone who's going to be back was really annoying to miss. The last one with a really bad cold and stuff was the one before. That is why I was there. I was there two episodes ago. was there for eighty four. I missed eighty five. I think oddly enough. I think I missed. I eighty three so going even number podcasts. Maybe I'm approaching this like star Trek movies so four weeks lobby. It's been fairly quiet Haven't seen any movies TV. We I am still largely behind on but I have seen is a three or four episodes of the new bat woman for now. It's four now or is this week is okay so for tonight okay so actually cut up about long. So I've seen I've seen the first three It's all right. I think there's potential there The supporting casts has been stronger more than high kind of expected which is a good thing because I find the central character. They're making it a little harder to know her. Which I think is a very deliberate choice as their kind of peeling back those layers over the course of the season I will say I'm really enjoying Rachel? Carson's return into DC comics stuff that she plays the stepmother now. She's she's Alice Alice Right. Sorry yes so. She does a great job she does do a great job and chill. She's having an awful lot of fun with it. And the reason why I say her return returned. DC comic stuff that she played Dinah Lance on the older to pray series way back in the day. Yeah I used to love that show and so now really really interesting to have her back again in such a very different capacity but so watch some of the scenes some of the new super girl. I haven't seen any of the flash yet largely because I still have about half of last season ago on net flix and that's about route it for that sort of thing. I mean like this is how far behind and guys behind odd Murdoch mysteries. which if you've always watch that? Yeah which if you listen to me on the blog has before. That's the one I actually usually try to keep up with. I'm behind on that one but let's Y'all's I'm busy putting stuff up on our page. Well the Martin a little bit of the page in case you haven't to facebook or the Actual webpage webpage for the PODCAST. You just just to talk about some stuff and everything if you've listened to this before you know I'm a huge fan of Marvel Limited. The Dow and just renewed my subscription again last month for another year so so now every Monday usually quite late Monday night or early Tuesday morning. I talk about the new comics that are come come up on Marvel Unlimited for that particular week. It's good insight for some of the stuff so China and usually it can be. It can be kind of interesting and sometimes it's just kind of what were they thinking. Oh come on comics never do that. Well I mean the first the first article I wrote which would be about two weeks ago. Now maybe three gets for the backlist they put up the rest of Howard. Mackie's mutant ax. Why would anyone prioritize getting the rest of Howard Iraqis mutant x onto limited? But somebody did you know and then last week because sorry. I should've mentioned my focus is usually on the backlist stuff as opposed to one new came out new from six months ago. Yeah I usually find it a little more interesting rusting. How far back are you now? Oh I'm still quite far back but I'm now on April two thousand eleven so I've been expe- made some speeding up not monthly. Basically Twain's look back. I've thought about a call on that but there's just I don't know how to cut it down because for example April Want to put my library together for the month. Fifty fifty some bucks out. It's kind of crazy. Marvel Marvel pulses quite as much content. Now now as they did back and say thousand two thousand eleven but there was a lot of stuff right. Now I'm getting into the fear itself. Cronje was a fairly big warmth. Or and stuff like that. A very odd. Mix of Ed Brubaker. Captain America and the Front of Orca America Brubaker. Captain America fantastic. If I had the funds available I buy because breakers been off doing his own stuff with image image for a number of years now particularly crime based stuff criminal is probably the most famous of his independent works. And I've heard nothing but good things about is that through. That's remarkable though. That's the image. Brubaker has worked for marvel in in several years. Yes and that. He's I've ever been a fear was coming out. It was like wow. That's a yeah so so. Yeah the main the main antagonists kicks it. All off is sin. Yup Who Brubaker. Turn into another red skull. It worked. Well it did it did it did indeed but a so just just to finish my thoughts. I Lost Osma train of thought there last week. The backlist was nuts. Just all over the place where it's where did this come across lake. Why does this? But that's kind of the fun you know. I'm not a big fan of the whole. The mystery box model of video games particularly Mobile Games. But this is kind of like a mystery box that you have to pay anything extra for so little bitty Christmas every time exactly four video games every every now and then. I'm still booting up. Steam and still playing or nights according to the steam statistics. Apparently since I started playing it I've played for like ninety. One hours hauling are GONNA be quite on how well sky two thousand five hundred sixty seven. Yeah Yeah Yeah the thing. Is You know how press Diam for talk time. Always I've managed to string together. Her roughly four full days worth of video game time is pretty good. Hey No banter no side you guys. I know what you're talking about. Just carry a conversation. We'll see you sound like you're so nobody else could until you brought it that's right not Germane to the conversation conversation at hand on the side all the shit out of course terribly hurt. The two of my co star completely ignored origin complete darth vader. VR thing just popped up and that's what we were looking at so burqa MUI important. Ah I do keep meaning to go back to shatter on Hong Kong. Yeah which which will be fun. Oh I did see a movie kind of I taped kind yet kind of. How do you hide I taped the assassin's creed l.? Tation God this is why I say kind of horrible. I didn't watch the whole thing. Okay it was it was in one word special you know. I was kind of interested because Michael Fast Bender. I have to give fast bender credit. No matter what the best he could he did well. It's it's not just that movie but other movies sector say he. He brings his full acting chops to the movie and even assess increase was yup. Yeah he he. I liked him in it. You know I'm a fan of the assassin's creed video games I am currently we stuck on revelations I haven't I've been locked up. It's the last one of the SEO trilogy. I've tried playing a free version It's got a lot of DLC LOT OF LAKE in game purchases and it's just really irritating sell. It was interesting interesting but this is this is old school. Actually I bought this picked picked it up. I think I've managed to get it for like ten bucks off of Amazon for like the three games which are basically assassin's discreet to create brotherhood and it has its creed revelations that was for console or playstation three. Okay okay I think it was. I think it was even a phone APP version of it so so yes. I'm still a playstation. The station three same same here. I think actually Houston no ears. You can tell us what you what you have when you get to your spot. Um The the only console I have a week I have another comment on that one. Hey Man I still bust a sixty four wants no because good times give of credit where credit is due the the we immensely popular and reached an audience far beyond well. That's what it's the first video action. No year yeah it was. It really had to Connecticut went a little bit back. Taking it didn't work. It was before the video. The camera thing was was there before it just didn't do the full capture motion. Thanks but not very well but just our listeners. Now the entire reason I have a place three. I blamed him. Ah Yeah back in the day we all used to get together my house on a pretty regular basis and rock out to our rock band. I two three three reas- when the Donner Party came together. Yeah so the so the thing was I end up getting into rock band add at a party at Rick's place and that and then they've got into a big time. And then they brought out rock doc band three and I play a little bit of piano. I am completely out of practice. I do have a Nice full-size Yamaha. PT Under which is a gorgeous instrument. which unfortunately I almost never use that rock band three comes out and along with Promo Code? They bring out keyboards. And what can I say it hits like the whole rock bang he fantasy right where I love love and stuff because this is an instantly actually somewhat no yes the way they implemented it was fantastic and so so I bought the keyboard and then I realized Holy Cow Tau Somewhat. This actually need to practice and I can't practice by going over to difference now. Not just doesn't work because his hasn't been set up in seven seven years now. I think that was the last time I was like. Oh she will look at pack and operating you go to your place and dewey decimal suicide reunion. We could forget desperate. Suicide have to brings Donner Party. Well I've just party. ps three band this sucessor. PS Two or a Ruckman. Thuban if you guys ever want to do that by I t.. S. Three is very accessible. I have a bunch of deal see on it and I'll just bring it over to pat scenarios. That's fine but yeah I like I like decimal suicide though. I'm just I'm I'm kind of sad because I did have rock band as well and on your. PS Two you know on my. We full drum set guitars guitars. And I'll have the whole Shebang. I haven't touched it in years. Yeah I got the full upgraded. Trump had not the one that comes regular rock band thing that I'm talking to one and with the symbols and everything was totally Dwayne for that one. Dev Complain me. Yeah yes he goes. I came across this one. I was just like looking king in rock band Vandam and posted like I go holy crap. Can you believe they put out a drum set at a yeah even the days later Devastates Back Oi. It's on order. It's coming out on Thursday. I went out and bought like the kiss acts in Har I so much bigger than the other ones. I can't use it on anything but the we saw because that's the problem the peripheral like The roles are unfortunately a not compatible across platforms but he actually had to put the controller into it into the game system into into the instrument. So and You know with Wayne doing keyboards. We do need a drummer again. I was terrible at drums keyboard or org drums. I think I don't know if you can have both know it's you can have you'd have to have ours Keyboard Guitar Base but you can only have two of the three so like a it depends. You can't cut out another instrument you can cut out voice if you do all instruments smoke because we never do that where he's voice anyway pat once in a while we'll try it then. There was some like female L. Vocal once with like Super High Pitch. That I would do would do all the rest of the F.. Terrible with his broken fingers. UH-HUH I picked up so many peripherals for that game for that I was going to mention it. News and rumours but apparently details at the playstation five of already started to leak ourselves. This is where I wish. My Buddy was here because he had all of this information Well he he was a name or just buddy buddy buddy. Brandon was supposed to show up and he didn't supposed to send me the information to share with you guys so brandon. If you hear this halls calling you will lose her. Not at that is that is straight from the horse's mouth over there called a horse but yeah so mostly deep in reading comics been reading a bit a bit on novels and stuff one of my favorite authors Catherine Care I've recently discovered. She put out a novella of some short stories that she'd done set in her most most famous setting the Celtic fantasy based world of dairy that the first book in the serious called Dagger Spell of any of our listeners are interested in Celtic themed fantasy. I highly recommend it so this is three stories that she did for Grantham although set and Berry and that so I just found that so I wa Kobo decided to give me a Free Loyalty points as always able to for free which is rather nice southern reading a little bit of that everything else. I've got should really be saved for news and rumors. So I'm going to say I'm not SCUSI. Patrick Scott His lizzy. He's pulling out his paper listeners just getting under advocacy. How would we go to Patrick to to be fair? I admire Mr Abso- organizational skills. I don't have any but that's not good for us because we are not let let you wrote it out. He doesn't every time to you know he doesn't sound not every time but he does have. This is the second time I've done. You're just jealous because he has actually stuff written note and prepared. I like a to let you know that I am also prepared with plenty of stuff to talk about ever talked today but anyways I mean like I veered from weeks and a hobby back to like years ago with rock band so let's keep going and we drifted again. Well it's been well kind of ordinary for the last month As far as movies go Haven't seen anything in the theaters Something I forgot to write down here that US all mentioned in an hour I did see The latest Tomb Raider on crave. That's the Alicia Pecan angeline the It was open and congenitally sees it. They were trying to enriching all yoga computer anger of the computer game. Yes I I never played the computer game so I I can't say how well it relates to it Other than you know she's Indiana Jones type. I kind of like that. They were investigating. Something Supernatural Roland. TURNS OUT TO BE SUPERNATURAL. That's kind of interesting. That is a nice twist and is is there a scene where they take the mask off someone and go. I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you know they didn't do the scooby. Doo N C watch. Did watching got bunch of netflix movies largely because with Halloween coming up into saying I WANNA watch how we're movies. I'm sorry I'm just trying right to be able to read my paper without the making the wing So guy can interrupt for just one quick second race outrageous my mom. My mother-in-law came up to visit and because of that we bought a mattress from Amazon Amazon. Said Hey triumphs private free for about so. It's amazing so I've watched part of the first episode of Good Omens. It's and I really need to get back to that because the chemistry between Crowley and I can't remember the angels name at the moment. What are sorry croly pronouncing it and can't remember the hills but it looks like Neil did a really good job and I really need to see the rest of this but but oddly enough what sucked me in on Amazon? Prime Greta Watched my love grim. You can get on on Amazon and Netflix as well. Now I know of anywhere I watch it. Yeah don't ninety more though they follow the cast last of grim on social media apparently because it was held in Portland these guys got really close and they still talk to each other. Allot and there's still like pushing each other's projects. One of them is currently in the air over as Lois Lane. For example bitsy talk and so they're talking back and forth and just for some reason it's just like I was scrawled Amazon thrive. I've seen what was there. As like creme I just couldn't resist and now like four episodes tooth sees one John and I went back and started watching because she'd never seen I'd seen the first few sees completely. What's what's Hilarious as they all look so young? Yeah we cow. They look young stars in two thousand six year. Patrick Finishes Yeah so anyways it was just that you mentioned watching Netflix. Stuff at remind me so. Yes so uh of the netflix original. Eli is a disease that we watched. This is about a boy who's got some compromised immune system. So he's got yeah. He's a boy in a bubble sort of thing in goes for some unorthodox treatment. It's there's a ghost story. Are we going on. And there's a twist and I kind of think it would have been better without the twist if they kind of stuck with what was originally going on it. It's okay but it's it's not the best one that I kind of enjoyed his sort of independent was We'll be called time travel Putting my feet I haven't watched it yet but it popped up on my. Hey Watch these. You'll like well. What it's about is These students who are searching after. They're missing professor. He's a professor of archaeology He went exploring a cave and was never heard from again Apparently he was following up on some hippies. He's that went missing right. So it's a case of people who go missing searching for people who've gone missing and what's really going on is that This cave houses houses the Fountain of Youth. That oilers. Yeah it's not a huge. It's a big spoiler peaks. That's one of these was Bob. I Dunno lets loose. Hey John did you look for Bob. Where's John Well what's going on is time is actually flowing differently in this cave? So which is lights called time trap and I'll leave it at that so it's them doing the exploring figuring out what's going on. Try to deal with cavemen that they encounter and things like that. I swear I saw that in an episode of Stargate. Atlantis could very easily be at something. That's been done a number of times one of the more a recent ones I can think of Peter Capacity doctor who where they had a show that was close to a black hole hole and so the further the further down the ship. You got a faster. Time went relative to the rest of the show. So if you were twenty decks up one year would pass for you or like thirty five would pass for the ones down on the lowest deck. Something like that would actually work the opposite well. I'm not sure the faster time. Yeah but anyways always I. I don't remember details precisely but was I'll say it was Peter. Peter Cappelli doctor who I really liked it. uh-huh Okay and other horror movie. That we watched was winchester which is sort of the story of the Winchester Mansion in In uncalculated lady. Yeah and it's Helen. Mirren as the Crazy Lady That's a pretty good ghost story. I mean it's Helen. Mirra yes. Sleep on Just last night. We watched a movie called Open House of. It's basically a home invasion Asian horror film Mother and Son Their Dad or the dad recently passed away and so they go to her sister's home in the mountains which is also up for sale. And there's an open house and it's a whole lot of really. Why did you make that kind of decision while you're doing that like Y- you're suspecting there's somebody in the house because strange things are happening here? Bumped downstairs and you don't turn on any lights while you're exploring. Why would you know Assyrian? Yeah and things like that and it introduces characters. That really don't seem to serve any purpose other than to make eight things look mysterious and so on. I'd avoid it if if if you're consist of time basically On crave I also we also saw I man which is the story of Neil Armstrong going to the moon. I heard good things about that I it is well done. I'm from what I know. Oh about Neil Armstrong. I'm not too sure that it really represents him all that. Well 'cause he's mainly doing what he's doing because he's obsessed about the death of his daughter And I I don't know from what I understand that the man he was a lot more dedicated to his craft And you know the consummate pilot and so on. He wasn't cold because he was feeling dead inside the he was just very serious about doing what needs talso. The understands that panic doesn't so that's the thing about Scott's right and test pilots. They're trained to not react in a panic mode right. There's they said before receiving a neural pilot and test pilot seven seconds left dead rather the neuropathy freaks out the test. I've got seven seconds at the same. This yes yes and same thing with astronauts because they don't those as they took them all from you know test pilots were fighter. jocks were yeah. I know how the difference between gene something that will kill me and kind of for no reason If it's something dangerous we will work it out like compartmentalize it away but Yeah Ryan Gosling does a good job Yeah it's really just I. I'm not too sure how well the stories represented by by the writing on it. Yeah just their focus on it So that's it for me and movies. As far as television goes I've been following up on the orders I'm caught up on everything. So there's you know as mentioned back woman and I have to admit I'm kind of wondering how they're going to be handling this because bat woman is taking place before war crossover where she was introduced last season. So how how is she going to be fitting into the verse especially with this crisis on infinite all all I have the impression that they catch up to where it was out last year fairly quickly. Most of the most most of the pieces are in place so she only got the Red Wig for the first time last week. there's supergirl with I'm enjoying. It's not quite as a as in your face. Political this time around yet lasts that last season was pretty blatant talking about yeah There's a big threat having to do with John Jones and then Lena Luther is also I'm major plot thread this time around the kind of broke my heart a little bit. She's a good character The flash and the Arrow are kind of following similar paths because they're both dealing with The upcoming crisis and both both of the main characters are saying. I'm going to have to die and so it's kind of wondering okay. Which one of these is really going to have to die aero because it shows ending? That's right there's there's knowledge that's because it's similar to the end of infinity. Were those telling me but they have a movie coming up here. So I'm I'm going to bet that the combat the life somehow or everyone does it's like those actors contracts ended. I bet there. Yeah well I'll be like what are the big last I got. I don't know if any of you guys follow Mark Hamill on social media on They're starting of course they're starting to do a fair amount of push towards star wars sell not so the worst film yeah. I've heard that but held actually give a shout out to Allie specific Kohl for his specifically regarding Yoda the US on pardon. The YODA song was up. Lola yes because specifically specifically there are lines in there talking about Hamel basically going the long term contract. I've signed means I'll be making these movies till the end of Time so hal goes. I'll hang back Presi it you know so ah yeah so similarly we no contracts have have an impact on things now arrows. Kind of interesting in that He's he's he's basically doing missions for the Monitor and So we're we're kind of revisiting his past as he's going to areas where he's been before were whole other worlds where he's been before or that we've seen before and he's starting according to question what his mission really is and how valid it is A. Should I take it on faith. The Monitor's got my our best interests at heart. Well the Monitor in the comics was sketchy. US Sketchy as hell because He was kind of well. How long lots of Oracle in a way? When he was first showing up he had this satellite light over Earth orbit? He was observing things and people would go to him for help but on the start of it it was usually Phillips. It was like he was helping out villains hairs. He was manipulating events. By helping out what we would normally considered to be the wrong people people and it was that he was using villains to get heroes to a place where they'd be able to help the antimony deal with the coming crisis stub but yeah so I like the fact that they've got that ambiguously about him now they've adapted for live live action and I don't remember the name of the actor often but he does well with it. I think his presence. It's I find is actually really good for this role. Yes yeah for sure Swamping this week is coming up. is going to be the broadcast finale. Here in Canada So that's the series finale and Indiana because one season that's it I've been enjoying it but I I don't see how they're going to be wrapping up threads just went out and so there. I am so looking forward to some of the stuff that I know is coming up because naturally I'm behind behind on swamp thing as well but like they've got Daniel Cassidy. I've got a laugh. I can't believe they pulled holdout dead cassidy out of a hat and I gotta say zeroing perfect perfect perfect perfect casting for dead cassidy because if anyone has the background play a frustrated show Oh business person had desiring because after nine hundred what Oh. His career went off into the wilderness for so long before getting a big boost in the arm from wall. Things Shark NATO But that was like over a decade later right so no McRae casting their I mean I. I didn't know what to expect going to swamp thing and the stuff that they pulled out of the supernatural or Vertigo elements from DC comics for something. I was pleasantly surprised. I like Handiwork I'm still keeping up but I am behind him. Episodes behind on it I'm really enjoying the actor playing Alfred He has a big Michael Cain Vibe to him Oh Michael Cain from his younger as I say yeah When he was healthy the upright which I think is kind of appropriate? Since Michael Caine was was also Alfred in the Nolan movies. Yes but it is extremely graphic with the violence that said at the top. It Well there's one scene where somebody gets killed by shotgun to the head and they keep coming back to just the lower jaw bone in the blood spurt spurning out of it. Oh okay yeah so it gets some pretty graphic stuff at the watch What it's interesting to see where it's going? I really have no idea where this world is because it seems at times to be in the nineteen forties and other times of the nineteen in Sixty S. And it's the X. Men Franchise it's twenty years later and you look still the same age it is. He's definitely an alternate earth. I've heard that yeah. I watched the first episode of watchmen. That's what it's going to mention for show with violence that that was pretty good It's much more relied on the comic book that what is it is. They're going to calm the graphic novel as opposed goes to the. It's inspired by the graphic novel. It's pretty much. TV well events from there are referenced. Well the thing is it's only been one you know indirectly it's women one show and it's thirty years later. So the watchmen. Graphic novel is what it's based that took place. It's not just inspired that. That is history in the watchman. Show I just mean that it's Definitely focused on telling a new story what is opposed to based on the mall on the movie. Yeah no but it is new story but it is also kind of following weighing the patterns of the graphic it is yes so It'll be interesting because last night Chris. Janet Christie's like it'll look at it does make sense. It's like well. It's the first show and not spoon feeding you information. It's its aim. Is the watchmen. Graphic novel had to read everything to understand. Stand the full story right footing the notes and the guys looked autobiography. He wrote in the pirate comic to understand the full thing about it. So Oh I liked the show. It's hard to understand to start with But I know they're going to develop it but I think it definitely helps to review the graphic. Oh Oh yes for watching it just to refresh your memory on exactly what happened on what the world was like that you're going into But yet shows a lot of promise us HBO does well with their shows. So we'll see On X. on Netflix I've been watching disenchanted but I kind of behind on that. A big issue for me. I don't know why but for every season of this show at some point. Sound cats out and a half to rewind and then I get my sound back and it only happens with this show and I have no idea. Yeah Yeah There's a new anime on Netflix. That I've been watching called. Ultra Ultra Marine Magma. Oh it's not alter memory and says it no no. It's a switchboard. What's happened is a new continent? His appeared somewhere in the Pacific ethic. That has all sorts of wondrous dangerous beasts on it so people regularly go exploring it to try and take advantage of it The unto exploit the resources this is and the main character of the show. Is this kid who is a rescuer. So his job is to rescue the people who get in trouble on the I was GONNA ask. I imagine lots of these people died. Horrible horrible ways. They can yes. He is completely overpowered. There's absolutely no question that he won't be able survive whatever he's up against The real thing about this show is just exploring what this new world is like in the the different stories of the people that he's trying to help oh `bout Yeah so that's it. As far as shows that I've watched Games really nothing new for me to say other than we did play test. WanNa play test but we tried out a session of Pathfinder second edition with the new characters so the the new season where are no chance transformed into a Goblin and so on The party is out to try to negotiate or convinced. The champions not to participate in the upcoming siege And in their attempt to find with the Paladins and talk to them They actually got ambushed by chip. carnivorous plants called dessel one And it's it's interesting Now I didn't give you guys a chance to kind of sit yourselves up properly. It was an ambush and so the magic users defining themselves in the thick of the phrase. Well that may be affecting how things are going But it is definitely a more deadly system awesome. I s you have lots more hit points higher armor class but The damage in the ability of the of the of your opponents to to do damage to you who is also increased of so Yeah we've vanished to get one of the plants near death and other one is definitely under half hits to you. Were still practically fresh part of that being because they can regenerate unless and also we weren't prepared for the ambush so yes we're not setup but has again ambush and we were going in expecting a parley. That's right so we'll be continuing that on Wednesday. Yes I say eh crop alerts. You don't have to admit I'm kind of surprised that you're trying to trying to escape from them. When all you need is a flat check with DC five to try and cast a spell? The thing is is that I don't have any Fire magic that's appropriate. I'm worry that you know one thing. Although the system has deadlier you you can't one shot stuff for the most part and so the thing is is that what I'm worried about is I tried to cast a spell. I don't take the guy out I'm still caught and and then I get crushed. The next round the crushes are doing me a lot of damage which is why the Nice thing is what the system. Yes I'm a wizard but as far as trying to get out of grab I'm actually not have bad. I'm probably so you like maybe two points four points under what these guys can do to maintain a grapple. That's so you those. Those odds are better than me trying to kill the thing and most likely not happening so I want to get out at men. Try to kill it over time so say okay between just. WE'RE GONNA run out of time for us. That's the end of my list. I'm all caught up. Okay going in kind of a counterclockwise. A Gopher dove. It is kind of clauses counterclockwise. Ah I had a brain freezer I will go next. I've got a bunch of TV shows. Talk about more than anything else. I'm watching the show. I don't know how this really fits in with our audience but it's actually very enjoyable and very very dark and that's what I like like most about it. It's called insatiable and it's about the world of pageantry like like shows and there's this girl who is the main character and she is a very bad not not good person like she thinks she wants to be a good person But she has like this eating disorder. She has a very negative self image and so she thinks spy going into these pageants she's going to get self confidence or whatever whatever. Her reasoning is murder ski happening along the way it like. She has a body count of like seven. I think by the end of the season or maybe not seven. But it's like before she is she going for the running for murder she wrote for exactly. It's it's actually pretty enjoyable. I'm really I'm in the middle of seasons here right now. I'm getting out of it. The cast has a genre our pedigree By the way Alyssum Llano from charmed has a large role and Chris Goram who was a great short-lived show called Jake. Two point zero is also in a in a main role so after getting a kick out of it so that's one that I currently have ongoing the show that I just finished yesterday's called daybreak. And this one. I was kind of pleasantly surprised at its on the surface. It's a post Apocalyptic Zombie stop movie except they go out of their way to clearly. Savings are not zombies. Getting bit by them isn't going to turn you into Zombie although the main characters the pines out a little too late as he starts chopping off price drop off and after he gets bit and then he ends up only chopping off his finger and then he gets told by the way. ZOMBIES obvious so getting bit is yet but it's already too late. But that the whole surface commentary about how this is a post apocalyptic world all the adults have turned into Sambas. Only the children survived. And they've kind of formed into tribes. It's basically Like a mix between flies. Yeah I was going to say Donald are not of that the walking dead and Lord of the flies and The the groups they kind of warm into are pretty interesting. There's one that's made up of all the jocks. There's one that's made up of all the cheerleaders who turned into they call themselves the Lamazon. y'All have little symbols like Gucci Simple. It's it's it's cutesy but and post-apocalyptic the same time and there are parts of that are incredibly touching like I moved. During one of the episodes I watched yesterday really good show and really. It's kind of an allegory of high school. In general. How all the different it clicks stuff that exists yet and you know? How do you navigate that? It's a very very interesting show. So that's number two and another one. I just finished recently only as well. It's called the order and I wasn't quite sure about it. It's kind of a little yes the that's ties into the templars. It was that the different trump knows. That's that's a different show. This is versus aware will basically imagine. I don't WanNa say it's Harry Potter but imagine Harry Potter versus where okay. We'll or rule the darkness when you had majors. Yeah maybe baby. So there's a university where they're all these secret societies and They'll have like the rituals and stuff and one of their secret. Societies is a order of actual magicians Sion's and then there's also a secret club that's made up of these werewolves and there wolf mythologies little different. It's not getting bit by bit turns into a Werewolf but there are these magical pelts that inhabit a specific creature. And the this pelt chooses you and wraps around you and kind of goes into your body and then you inhabit that specific where wolves and so there are generations of people who have gone through these secret societies who all worn the same pelts. They all have the same where we'll finish Werewolf has a different personality wants the protector. One is like just a pure warriors. There's no no new where where will get exactly continuation continuation of the same four or five Where Wolf lines are different human balls and that's also very interesting show? I didn't like the way they ended the season and the second season hasn't come out yet but I'm interested to see more. It's an interesting university. They're they're creating I don't know why but My girlfriend has convinced me to go back and watch this old a young adult show called Merlin about related and she says you're trying to get over the fact of the first half of season one is pretty cheesy and then afterwards words really starts to pick up so I'm powering through that it's not very good. I'm afraid but whatever it's it's Merlin. It's definitely early in generous. So it's something I wanted to talk about yesterday. Started watching second season of nightfall. And that's the show that's about templars. Okay yes very good show At the end of the season one the main character has kind of get stripped of his easy. He's a temple master the temple in France and he gets stripped of his titles and the second season starts with him basically trying to atone for his sins. Because I mean he's broken basically all the OUGHTA tenets yeah. He's slept with women. In fact he impregnated breads and then the king thou- doubt they they used to be best friends. He murders her at the end of season. One will while she's pregnant spoiler spoiler the three year old thing dude. I don't find sparklers tall because I realize they'll probably never get around our listeners. Maybe anyway so actually he can which death us. There's something very important you have to go further I do not. I'm not doing it right now. Dude at the appropriate time when your sisters there will be a shout section. Listen we will introduce now that we actually have patriots patriotic subscribers and the shout section is when we will give our shadow. It's not yet though. This is the middle title of my my weaken the hobby lobby job and the last thing to talk about I finally started watching crystal. Oh Yes yes. I haven't seen it yet. How was it? It's not great or really really. It's it's very. I don't know what I don't like about it. Maybe it's the puppets I I couldn't get into the alley watched what episode so far. I couldn't really get into. I'M GONNA try to push through and get through. Maybe two or three more episodes see if it. I remember Loving Dark Crystal the movie when I was a child. I I haven't seen it in a while so you don't go doc and watch that will be. I think it's quite possible that it's going to follow very closely with same style and the matic's and everything about the the show is going to be very similar to what the movie was. Yeah but maybe I'm missing remembering how the movie was a kid. Say Maybe you should watch the movie. Maybe and this is basically a Prequel to the movie. Yeah it's it's it's a tough watch. Hopefully it'll get better. I I will try to keep going. So that's all I have for. TV shows the only movie. I've seen I think in the last month as probably when pat you and I went to see joker yes which was Thar and awesome and great and horrible at the same time. It's the thing I like most about that movie is there isn't a single scene where you were. You know for sure whether it happened or not I actually. I don't give spoilers but there is ways you can tell what's real not okay. There is news clues Eric. Yes but I see that right. And it's very and on purpose. I was trying to pay attention to the some of the story but try to focus on like okay. What isn't seen what's in the scene? What are any ways to tell what's real or not because I mean it's basically someone with really bad? WHO's the nation's suffering? Yeah puts himself in things that aren't unreal but then things are happening like that actually real or still in Asia oxygen thing. It's it's such a mind fuck. I really really liked it. Ah Funny I was talking to Jesse she goes. I don't think anybody was. I think it was all his head like everything you think happened. That made him into the job. I'm working on a review for it. Okay and that's where I'm going in my spoiler section. Because I don't want to say anything now there are in my mind again. I great exactly. It's so open uh-huh happy they brought Robert Deniro in for that part though. Yeah because it is. They were heavily influenced by taxi driver and King of comedy which which both star Deniro in the protagonist role because of that. They wanted to narrow to play. The TV hosts right to get him into as a sort of reverse of what he'd played earlier and he went on board with. They admitted his there's paralells taxi. Taxi driver in comedy right there and they said yeah. We did that on purpose. We loved the movie right anyway. It's a great move. I think everyone should see it. I don't know if it's Oscar worthy because it's a really fucked up movie but it's it's a good. Yeah convicts does a great job. He does so he's amazing. He's a great actor who is always utilize the right way but if he likes the role he will put everything into the room and he got gone for like this is. We're talking. Machinist level. Gone Disgusting Skeletal jokers. Oh it was. It was a good movie but horrible the same time. Yeah I really enjoyed it. That's the only movie that I've seen in theaters I did go back and watch a couple of like the old time favorites. It's like we did a recent review the clones we went back and watch the two basic and then we reviewed it with Jason Momoa Conan. which actually please not a terrible movie if it wasn't a Conan movie like as a standalone barbaric movie? It's a good movie. Okay as a standalone bar movie. It's a decent action flick. Yes but it's not a good CONAN movie. Despite you having things he loved about their there are aspects of it that I respect. They're very true to the CONAN comics. Yes it it. It's truer is origins than Schwarzenegger's right and I have talked about her news rumors for remind me about CONAN opium and the only video game. I've really been playing this whole last month. It's weird that I've I I. I don't tend to stick to just one game I played alongside lawsuit city of heroes. I haven't I haven't played city of heroes almost two months. He's on this is like my in fact he oversaturated himself I may have. I was playing on two separate accounts constantly for rated. I'm taking a bit of a break. It's possible I've lost guild leaders status it because I've been out for so long I don't know how long before it clicks over Yeah I I still love the game. I just. There isn't a lot of of content in it even though right now. It's the Halloween special. So you can do a lot of trick or treating you actually go up to doors knock on doors and like ghosts come out and you have to kill them and they they drop costumes that you could put on your characters but I mean after a while it gets pretty warm. The only other video game I've been playing playing is real world. I've gone back to my job I colony and it's funny. I've had probably about one hundred people kind kind of cycle through my colony over the past twenty five or thirty years game and I've only ever had two people pop up as for sensitive. I'm still looking to see if a third will ever show breed doesn't you can't there's there's no. Everyone is not designed for reproduction. Now you can reproduce reproduce all your animals I mean I have a colony of there there are mods will allow you to do really yes okay. I might try one of those terrible. Because it's like there was a quote from from a streamer that I he's not sure ain't going to get into that but he's he's on the read it for four for like unlimited leather hats. Human leather hats is how how it's view right so he's is basically farming the that's basically what will happen right because you'll have too many children and then you have to population euro unlimited human leather. Hat's why just hats chair. Well it's it's it's the running gag as how bank you room ruled is an interesting interesting game You can't really control who a person falls in love with though he could try to force them to go on missions together which will have them doing social interactions. But you have real control troll over. Well actually I've seen movies if there's a male lead at a female lead that doesn't work they have to be completely random. In the fact people will have affairs. There's people get married. People get divorced like crazy shit happens in that game. It's actually very involved in from what I've seen if you really don't want your colonists is to get married because if one of them happened to die the other ends up going Saito and killing half the colony ordering animals. It really raking people out of jail or going to slaughter if they can't have any kids of course it'd be mentally unstable so you think. Procreation is mandatory permits the entire community. Yeah yes I keep recruiting New People into the colony with the hopes that someone is going to pop up as four more sensitive especially since I have to four sensitives who are constantly hanging around the colony and doing four stuff in the everyone's see them doing four stuff but no one has gotten four sensitivity. And it's driving. Let me crazy just the main guy that I created specifically to have powers. WHO's my stomach? My may meet my main characters like that's me in the colony and then another guy who accidentally happened to pop up and happened to have horsepower. But yeah it's only been those two interesting in well you don't want everybody force power but a couple would be nice. Maybe it'll have especially since we get overwhelming assaults coming on my colonies like at the point that I'm at really it's becoming coming untenable. The only survive as if they do a siege because they're all kind of located in one central location. They don't rush. Should I know I I go with my for sensitive guys I pop a force ghost ghost goes and starts fighting and they're super strong and so their attackers at this point in the game have a lot of area of effect weapons. which lightsaber is useless? Against so they expend all those against him and in the meantime because they also have people who are in hand to hand combat go rushing in to attack him. They will up there guys which then lowers their mood. That makes them give up and start running away fucking coming in butcher them and steal their stuff the actual raid. That's a lot more difficult to survive a MEK annoyed. I'm completely fine. I just I I income save and go back and go back to saving and restarted. 'cause there's nothing you can do against back absolutely nothing you can do. If it's ten of them I could survive. They send fifty. Yeah and some of them. Are these giants monsters with bomber's bomb launchers on their backs there's absolutely nothing. You can do that fortunate. I really enjoy room world but some of their events have just gone completely out of hand like early in the game. A easy easy way for you to gain columnists for your calling is kind of rescues. People will be running away being chased by bad guys and will radio your base and ask me for sex. Yeah Yeah Right. And they're being chased by ten twenty guys. Oh I can handle ten twenty guys now. They're being chased by one hundred hundred fifty guys. I mean there's nothing I can do. I don't I don't have enough trap setup. I can't set up a defensive automated weaponry because they target those individually and like like isolated like the the game basically cheats does everything it can to. You can't really defend against so I've I've standing those people off into the wild within and hearing their screams as they killed. There's there is a way you can do it and it's you have to split you're calling me up into smaller colonies but that's even more unmanageable. It it is it is but the smaller colony the smaller the assaults so maybe like I have underground ball vaults but but caves where I set up all these hydroponic plants so I've got four separate rooms. That are completely filled with hydroponics on. I'm making so much food that it's easy to survive long term. It's becoming so sorry to have just took things going. Yeah So that's the end of using. Let's move onto the next segment. Paul fine I mean actually turned over here to help. Yeah I know that was a joke. Okay so all right thanks for once. I'm happy happy that you might get skipped. Okay let's see my month in the hobby box table. Yeah I've got a couple of things. It started at Thanksgiving I blame my brother-in-law the swing master or sorry. Sorry Second Placer Sir yes Missouri Place. Anyway that's neither here. He brought a VR headset with him. Self contained so it doesn't need a computer anything different can take pictures or send link-up Leisure and yeah it may be one go up by by one. The next day which I did so through that I ended up getting signing up for Amazon prime the free thirty month thing as well but I was thirty months month for days thirty days months days. It's all relative that I was going to do that anyway. I just had gone around to it yet in. This gave me an excuse to so anyway I have the VR. And there's a lot of wonderful stuff with that thing as deb saw. There's Tutor Star Wars Games. That are actually. There's three only two or out right now other coming and really fun as part of owning I did I was and he is. He's the only person and that wanted to kill the robot that there's a robot sidekick that's just annoying right off the bat well for me. I'm the hero. I'm the one that gets to do. The one liners cleaners and the snarky. No the talk about the robot that's always goes through. No that's why I was like. Oh they killed the robot and I'm like yeah. He's the only one that ever cheered when the robot got beat beat up. Unfortunately the robot doesn't know he's coming back vitre wax a few times keeps coming back anyway besides the VR is. There's a lot of really interesting stuff for that That it's got like a you can do net flicks in it and sit like in a theater and that's what it looks like gigantic screen in front of you. It's like watching a movie theater. Ultra fantastic but they do put warnings for plane though that you shouldn't play more than and they say you shouldn't shouldn't use it for more than twenty minutes at a time without resting your eyes can and I mean the first night that I used I used it for like three or four hours and my God. The next day is hurt like son of a match but I'm sort of climate eating. I'm getting used to that so it doesn't hurt anymore. And I think part of it was because I didn't have have the it focused correctly so but I've got sorta tuned in now so it's fine. It's not really an issue anymore. But it's it's really fun and I brought it to anybody. Wanted to try it although I don't know if we're going to have time But I got VR. And then. I started watching Amazon prime. Yes I finally got through the whole per season of the boys seriously. It's so Dwayne you will not like the show but they do make it better than the comics. It's not as assange mystic comics. They've they've got because the I was telling Paul the the the writer is very misogynistic. And Yeah he's he's not his stuff isn't very good but the they make it better in the TV series I've said before and I'll say it again For A guy who has made most of his living off superheroes Miller really doesn't see satellite but like I said the movie the TV show is better than the comic for that. They told me I can watch the show for you. Halfway through the season I was seeing myself and Mike. You know what to be honest with you though if we really had superheroes. This would probably probably aren't altruistic. Well that's the whole thing about the watchman right back again. It's like if you were putting on tights. Going around beating up people you have to be a little. There's something wrong with you a little bit to do that. And that's probably why Batmans more believable Batman Batman because he's popped up eh. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah Stark. It's just the way it is that's why he's such a believable superhero character. They have all daddy issues anyway. So there's there's been there's been That game I'm trying to hurry this up so I'm going to spin through. This game is mostly mostly. It's been martyr with me taking a break as well we have. We have taken some breaks. Yes I didn't want to get through the whole situation like Kat got with city of heroes is oversaturated so pat was like I got a bunch of other stuff to do. So I'm like okay. I'll just not play. Let's take a break relax. That's how I got to watch all the boys because I wouldn't have otherwise but I've been watching a lot of streaming about space engineers recently. I don't know if anybody's ever other than me even looked at that game I have. It's pretty fun and are you building things in space this. You'RE GONNA mind your resources crafting space. Yes but with better graph. Would you get the ships you can build your own ships. I've already lost oranges. Does actually I know that there's actual science you have things carefully or else you like. That ain't GonNa work do. There's gravity affects everything to physics. There's there's strong let's say I've I've watched the wall bowl stuff like that and he was like yes. You can't just build a shipping open so it's GonNa fly because I say it's GonNa fly now. That's the ORCS and yeah it's it's interesting. I only gained for a long time. Bhai haven't really played it but I've been watching other people play. It sometimes more entertaining than doing it for you. Find it very boring. I don't I understand that that mentality it all the time I'll ever watch someone else playing a game as if by need help figuring puzzle or something. Do they know okay YouTube. I want this exactly what the I'm GonNa Watch someone game play for two hours. Yeah I don't I don't understand that's all to be honest. I get home from work and I'm just not tired to do anything other than just sit there and I listened to the commentary on more than I actually watched what happens as far as I can tell. I don't watch watch the stuff myself. My daughter is all of my cries really into particularly particularly minecraft videos and that stuff and it's the commentary which has had an unusual side effect. My daughter will not play video games without without doing commentary running commentary as she plays a game I am so. She's preparing to become a youtuber. So possibly possibly come. What I'm playing God? God does have uh-huh like no like Madeleine has making up a story what she's doing as she's doing. That's this says not uncommon with these videos that she's watched so I think I think a lot of it is the commentary and the personality of love. Gamers I mean there. There is of course the sports element where you're watching the top gamer because like holy cow. He's doing doing humble able things with us. Which is which as I understand as a real thing but a lot of it I believe? Personalities Iggy eastbound East Sports. I don't know that's just. Don't say anything about Taiwan. Fine I guess I just don't see the pain of it. It's like so you're good at playing a video game and it. It's all these like team it's necessary. Take it from real sports. Don't forget that's been there since the Ping Pong Arcade Games. I've always had this thing against these. These games where it's like you you you run in you either you get shot and then you respond you run in you get shot there. It's it's a very big genre but to me it's annoying winging pointless. I'm I'd rather play video game like that. Where the goal is to survive not to? Oh I got shot. I'm going to respond and try again. Because that's just I mean you just run you know maybe get shoe people or whatever and you're dead that's like what's the point. Uh you know and apparently able. Yeah but I don't understand like the where's the tactics involved other than cannon fodder. There is actually talked to be like Doing paintball where it's to sit out for ten minutes and then you can go back. Yeah but it's still. There is still tactics in there. Yes but none of this show shoulder guys who play like who are in the military and stuff and they get together as a team. They usually wipe the floor the game because they understand. Yeah all these so-called professional gamers. They go in with the mentality. I die okay. Whatever responding to do it again? That's actually watching the top guys. They don't they tend not to die very obvious and everybody else and I. That's a tactic. I I'm sorry that is there's a bunch of people willing to run forward and die. Let them that's their. ooh I'm saying the majority of the people described the todd players. If you watch how players they actually have tactics. They pay attention they move around. They tend not to dive off and well. That's that's things that reminds me I was sort of looking through my files and I saw a screen saver that I did from a next COM to game where my team went in we completed the mission didn't get fired on once and didn't take a single shot or didn't kill get a single kill. I was so proud of that. Exactly that that will tell. Expect uh-huh cool but the biggest for these people is to go in and kill as many people as they can before they die and respond and do it again. I mean it just doesn't seem like there's much point to that you watch engineers other people play space engineers. Look I think what he's saying is in that case the end result is something that is interesting for because like watch someone blinds base engineers. You get to see what they've built. The process process of them. Struggling to fairly common with minecraft has. Because you know Madeleine mostly watch is is a couple of personalities. But she's seen a few sometimes where it's just almost like The Stop The stop camera thing where you see a real building going up over real time or whatever and he sees all the unbelievably probably intricate virtual objects that these folks have felt and you just go on. Because it's it's like it's like a massive lego except it's just virtual but it still takes time. People spent a lot of time though of the stuff. Suppressive hub yeah it's IT COMES DOWN TO I. Guess if you I mean he's a couple of games for example if you'd like take Arma three three basically opposed to. Let's say Halo Halo. You get shot a couple of times. Stand back iron corner. Your you know all your shield Arbitrary yet stuff like that basically in Armagh you shot you die with one bullet you know. So it's it's sort blake. The the entire goal is to not though the different engines and stuff like that right. Yeah I know but that's what I'm saying is is there's tactics involved to not get hit at all hailstone. I got hit a bit and I can just go and heal and then come back and try again. I mean so republic. Mortar does the same thing a murderer. You you get hit you to run back. He'll go back in right but that's not the that's not like I'm talking. I'm talking professional. Like first person. She has type Games. I I prefer a game at has tactics where the entire goal is to not get hit. Not I can get a hit a whole bunch and hopefully kill the other guy I you know. Aw that's what professional sports is. And that's Kinda pathetic again. There's more to it's like if you watch the top players they they tend not to die at the top players. Hide in a back corner exploits something then she you in the head for some reason because they've got him but but that is tactics that is they're using tactics tactics running in they are actually using the environment and stuff like that. Which is what you're supposed to do if behind something? If you ever see a lot of these professionals they'll be jumper their characters jumping all over the place you know so that they're making themselves harder target to hit. Yes that is not realistic any form or fashion. Know what you're GonNa tell me you're going to go running running out there and they'll tell you at any firefight move keep moving. Don't stay in one place so but then the game you're allowed to jump nope so it just works. It's a tactic. It is a tactic but it's not realistic. Okay let's bring realism game. It's a game but some games are more realistic than and others. Let's just put it that. I'm not a big Fan of sports because I don't I don't think it's it's it's too hyped up for what it is so and we really drifted off the stuff anyway. That's pretty much enough for me on. We haven't Komo and getting as criticized by PAT. We're running out of time. We're already over. Fifty Minnesota Wisconsin cut out the segment. Too Nice Try Komo here. You have a lot of newsroom. Because what are we always my my weeks in the thing. I told him up by the way you forgot. We actually went to see an ex wrestler. Ah Do sort of stand up. dotes you think the snake Roberts does that have to do with the harm that actually it's a key thing. Wrestling is a geek thing right but he. He wasn't doing wrestling though. Nobody was talking about retarded. He's talking about his because he's he's actually pretty interesting. It was actually really liked. It and deathly fucking loud are rude. Rude worry seven from the wrestler from the seventies yes supposedly talk coming from him but a lot of the stuff that he had. It was really really funny especially under the joint I on him yeah. That's the story of his actually heard before he was talking about house. It was whole arm was vibrating and he thought he was having a heart attack because he five hundred pound guy was sitting on top of him and he felt the pain I felt my spinal column Columbine readjusted and then he's my arm starts twitching. Is they call my God. I'm having a heart attack and the rest like asking Andres like why are you laughing. I refer to so that's moved. His heart was your amount of gas so that was funny. I did did watch that woman. The first three shows. It's I have a review coming up to me from it. It's very especially when you compare that watchman for the fight choreography and special effects and I felt cw versus h well the thing is even in cw some of the fight scenes social facts in flash are much better than I saw in. That woman is basically. I've got a grappling Hook Cape and stuff. FLASH RUNS SUPER FAST and they show some some of the facts that better and now again. It's only three shows in so I know the character. I like the main character and psych characters interaction between about women in Alice. Really good but like I said there's still I'm giving a chance because it takes time for the develop characteristics. Yeah you know very few shows from his car iffy for something like that. Women should be extremely important was being thing of how people up is is beating people up and fake therapy is pretty bad. It's like some stuff like twenty years ago of how the fight cargo is me. Hook is like whoa point. Not good also did see Washington as well and those were. That was fun that that was interesting. I understand where people are confused about things because it is more off the graphic novel than the movie right and they don't explain lane stuff to start with. It's coming up. It was interesting to know how it taught. Americans are their own history that they never knew about with the opening scene from the Tulsa Massacre Yup a race massacre was interesting said reading the comments like this is really. Yeah yeah that's actually based in reality guys then in doing talking about for the black hole because I know that we all liked that show. I also watched the breaking bad movie community where L. Camino. Yeah it was pretty good. Robert Forster was in it. He passed away last last week or two weeks ago. I think it was. I believe it was like either a day. Ah to before the movie premiered. Yeah exactly so which is too bad because he I mean he made a big with the jacket. Marilyn story is what really got back. echina- highlight and being visible. Besides the boys not too much watch more American gones gones which is interesting because now he's he's into you know not that I know actually season two now. Yes so Mr Wednesday Has dropped the thing of we really is. And you know that. There's loads pilot had watched yet. Haven't seen anybody should be able to get it just from his name. I you know most people will not get that from his name because they don't know the origins of Wednesday. Yeah I would. I would actually read the book. The book is Israel again by Neil Gaiman. One of the better raiders out there so comics. Also I've been reading more of the House of ex- ex- and also Conan there are back out again for in marvel have a buck and it's bad if you listen to hear Aman and psychic boy one of the the free booter network shows at deal specifically with comic books. They do a whole episode kind of based around Conan and the old stuff that was reading and some of the new. Stopgap recently came out and other venture. No it's in his. Actually it is back to the Conan the barbarian days also also affects Ellen Doomsday the one. That's in DC. Were Watch me or Dr Manhattan. In the DC universe and it's it's very interesting doomsday clock duffer. Got The clock. Yeah and it's also another good one and then for bookstore. The boys always reminded me of a book. Comic came in a long time ago. Called Martial Law Great. Yeah which was again showing that superheroes are not great. It's over super stylized over sexualize everything but it was an interesting comic Six issue I read. They have a book out. Called origins is actually novel. While it's not good it's it's it's retinas. If it was a four fourteen or fifteen year old wrote it yet they might work in the comics. That's because you're you're writing the story. Then you draw it but it actually has a novel yeah. It's not good it's like. Wow this is pretty bad like I said. I wasn't expecting too much but this was really a letdown and of course more of the the war however forty Sarah books in that and San on our facebook posts. I put one where a train resilient someone's talking about how serious a series it was but they're going. Oh my God there's eleven book in the series. It's it's so long and it was like. Would you like to read about Horus heresy with fifty plus bucks inside ones as well. So that's pretty much it for anything important for I've watched in the Games for role playing. Yes in your star you're sorry. You're pathfinder one also I did get another pendragon one in there which is good. I'm starting to work out redoing. All the characters family trees for the last fifty plus game years. It's insane especially when some people like deb's character character had like twenty kids almost and then there was a lot marriages within that and stuff like that. So we've got a lot of crossbreeding with other family other characters. Yes exactly actually. Yes you're doing. The the the Queen Victoria thing. If you marry everyone else into the system you know there will be a war right. Yeah exactly. It's much harder for free to fight against family members except it's proven no. It's not you can still do that. That's so different yes so let. Let's go okay. Let's move on to segment to after an hour and a half almost A news and rumors and I've got a bunch of talk about so I'm GonNa go first. Oh you've Oh yeah well. Paul's plane is gained. What he does so he just ignored? He's he's mapping we can't hear you too far away from the MIC. Cause you got your head settled. He can't even figure out where the watching I know where the MIC is. All right so interesting up. All of my news and rumors are kind of around Video Games I don't have anything. That's not video game related so the first one one of our favorite games here in the elevator. PODCAST is the Game Battle Tech. Yes it was recently recently put out by. I keep wanting to say paradox interactive but. It's not they're the ones who do the Mech warrior game and there is the the new mekuria mercenaries five coming out in the next three months. I'd say about the one I gave my what I really WanNa talk about. Is They have a date and they actually put out information about their next. DLC for the biotech game heavy metal. Yes which is the big the big boys. Well if it's not what do I know. It's so they're introducing thing eight New Mexico the game And a lot of them are what are known as the unseen. The the the mess that we're not on allowed because of the harmony gold lawsuit. Yes so those are being introduced. Some of them have been kind of stylized. They're slightly modified from their original. Look so like like the the rifleman's not gonNA look like the original rifleman arc which which I'm really upset about. Yeah because I love the rightful love and then once she from from Rowbotham so so a bunch of New Mexico but more importantly they're also introducing eight-year weapon types. OJ's and one of the weapons is the mortar. So there's a met call denial later which I think naturally comes with a a mortar on its back and use lob shells else okay. It's over kilometers away. So you're talking hitting the other end of the board with. Would these would be so indirect fire and area so you get a spotter and you make sure spotter has unnoticed yet. Let me get into super close. And he's starting lobbing artillery introduced beam weapon where the further away from the target. You shoot the more damage it does so if it's super close it's almost useless but when you're sleeping at super long ranges it doesn't tunnel damaged. They did get close to that neck as fast as you can exactly. So they're introducing new bits. It's that'll have to kind of. Have you modify your tactics on how to defeat those next so super excited about that. We've actually talked about it before. One of my favorite games from a longtime ago was a game based off of the vampire. The masquerade game. roleplaying system yelled bloodlines and that was probably one of the best Kind of third person games to come out of the Ninety S it is super enjoyable. Will they have bloodlines to that's scheduled to be released sometime again. The next three three or four months sometime before the end of twenty thirteen quarters so that the winter quarter the horror four which goes all the way up. It's a march of next year for some reason. Yeah I don't know how that works but whatever well ours is a fiscal year that's So we're we're waiting for that but somehow in this popped up on my facebook feed of all places. There's actually another video game being put out by different company but kind of set in the same universe based off of where Wolf where we'll see apocalypse. This one is called Earth blood and I watched a short little video about it. It's just like a teaser video it doesn't really give you any actual information formation about what the game play mechanics are gonNA be like. But it's based off of the the Werewolf the apocalypse rolling game and I'm interested to find out more information mation about that death. I have a question for you for news and rumors days were apparently. We're still on track. For December thirty first shipping dates array. So they could be. I get now daily. UPDATES from the guy wasn't say for a while he wasn't communicated I the last communication we had before this new deluge as you started was in March of this year. Yeah so for eight months he was completely incommunicado and all of a sudden we get daily updates about what he's doing no pictures. No actual information just still working hard finished up the gates for this one combination color like putting it together other molecule by molecule. What's happening? He's got thousands of orders to put out right so I don't know why it's taken them this long. It'd be nice to see pictures of finished. Finished does occasionally post pictures of like bins with bags filled with dice. Okay but no close ups of what the dice. This could very easily be trolling us for his personal amusement. We're never actually get anything. And there's a facebook group that -joyed where people are constantly bitching and moaning about him a personal attacks. That kind of thing. I mean. He's leaving the board so it's just a venting their frustration of waiting. Five fucking years to get this these dice delivered for it but December first apparently is the ship through December. I mean he's going to start shipping so we could have. I could have Christmas presents for you. All this your your final five years later. Five years to another game coming out another fanfare. This is one of my absolute favorite games. Crusader kings to you will. They're putting out a crusader kings three. Oh really kings is basically the be Pendragon game that we play this. Is You playing it on a computer. It's generational it's all about empire-building you start off in one province or maybe like a couple of province say you're making the connections and then dealing every years years go by you're building up your forces you're building up your territories and then you can't just attack your neighbors because you want to because it's going to piss off other people you have to actually have a reason to be able to attack them so if you own like the majority of the land in one traditional pro country or kingdom or county or whatever you can ensue basically start a war to say this is traditionally my lands at this land should belong to me but it doesn't I want it it's it's not gonNA fight you for it and then if you beat them they acquiesce and say okay find it becomes your lands and they become your vassals or you can actually steal do you live from them outright and kill them and take over as your own lands it is an amazing game and so they have new anew crusader kings three coming out I the thing I love most about crusader kings to is that. It's it's not just senator. It's mainly European centric but I mean they've Expanded to Scandinavia. They've expanded to Russia. They've expanded to even China now. They've expanded to northern Africa. So there's all these he's the LC's I'm talking like probably over one hundred deal sees that you can purchase individually or as packages which we've accumulated over the last ten years as they put game out. Well now crusader kings. Three is just going to be. Its own little standalone. Are they going to take all that incorporated into it probably not going to release them all as individuals have to rebuy. Yeah they'll probably do that. Well if that's the case I may not even by the game my question to you is the same game producers producers. Yeah yeah same. Company in fact did this upgrade once already from Christina Kings one to crusader kings too but crusader kings two is were. They spent the majority of their time content. Does it look the same. I haven't seen any Gameplay I've only been there's only been announcement the announcement happened during a An event or whatever whatever thumbs happening recently okay that's the the where we'll game was also announced That's where the DNC for For Battle Tech was announced that it all came out at the same time and then I have one last game to talk about and this is the first game that I might actually by the day it comes out or even maybe from pre-order it so I have it available paying full price for. I haven't paid full price for a game in five years. It's called jet I fallen order for Lucas Arts jet. I third person I gave. Oh I got. I love his game. So much The last one that was the last really good. One they put out was John Academy to. Yes Oh sorry. Outcast to Jeddah Academy and this one has like amazing graphics. It's basically everything we want for me. Lucas Arts game and hopefully it's going to have a good storyline which which isn't company behind it. I know it. Yeah I think he as putting running out there distributing it but they promised it's single person only. There's no one to play heard about this. Yeah go multi player and most importantly no random boxes no loop boxes. No you know. Pay For anything. It's all purely self contained single player game and hopefully it's going to get I don't know was creating it would. EA already the the distributors. That's it for me from using rumors and it's all related while I'm sure Dwayne has the same one for news. This is new M.. Mc You news. Kevin Feige is now in church as creative officer completely of marble. TV and movies. Like he as a chief creative officer chief creative officer for all a marvel's Studi creative and also still the comics publishing television really. Yes movies he's at everything. Wow the TV guy. Lo Look the F. Jeff flow in charge of marble television and a fairly prominent comic book. Writers well is not is expected to be announcing. Let's sing his resignation soon and went tell that was his that. He's out of the article that I linked on facebook was basically basically talking that this that it's expected that sometime in November will be announcing his resignation. But that's marvel told huge because now fi geeze has already. This is all more news and rumors but he has said he wants a new daredevil and Jessica Jones coming out yeah but the deal with what would we let me finish. He also said he likes John. BERTHEL as punisher of course and birth all said he because I never got the best acting opportunities all the time just the way he looks. He said he doesn't have anything else but he'd be interested in doing another Frank Council and I'm not gonNA say the deal with Netflix and Disney was for two years. They cannot threat however it is Disney. Cheek open up the briefcase Netflix. Your some money money. You let us do this. Breach of contract payment. For how much do you want for your company. You think this is going to do but not they have their own streaming service NETFLIX. This position that since this is GonNa have their own streaming service and it's going to Disney has their whole company need to back it up so they can afford to lose money for five years without a problem so I can see them saying okay. You know what Netflix we want to have these you guys in. Here's our breach of contract payment. What do you think we'll give you the money right now or we can go to court? Yeah we're who has a better lawyers. We have our our lawyers are probably big as as you are our legal firm his probably as big as you are as a company so I can see them doing that. The other thing to realize is that the clock has been taking for quite a while on that two year exclusion. 'cause they're already over halfway through. Yeah for a number of their shows and reports say that the punisher was never for under that clause to begin with it was just I was just the first four. was they think it starts going into production early next year and not released until exactly so the possibilities are there however availability is going to count account for a lot. For example. My culture has a new show called evil. I believe it's with. CBS and it just got picked picked up for an early season. Two or Noel. I could see them being interested in recasting him luke cage but apparently he was not the easiest actor to work with. Yeah Uh and also like I said they fight. You didn't mention Luke Power Luke Cage. It was three mentioned were Jessica Jones daredevil will and punisher now the layoff for Jessica Jones might actually work out really really well because Christian writer recently gave birth a to her first child just in the last six months or so so I could see the CI would actually the timing could work out at the two years would be up just as interested in going back to work and I know Charlie Cox isn't doing anything right now at the moment him he did nail daredevil and and Matt Murdock and they said John Merlo he's done a couple of movies. I've seen them but he can. No he would jump on board right away for punisher and with money. There's always ways to make contracts work for production times and stuff like that. Michael J. Fox did it for one of the future movies with Hanley ties right and that case it was just they agreed and Fox working crazy hours or something like that. It has said he's working on another thing they can work out. Deals words like this and corresponder man is sort of back with marvel well for not with marvel but Sony and marvel are are working together again. It's Bobby Dodd. Have worked out the custody arrangement for another couple years. Well Stash is watching a funny one youtube guys. I watched called screen rent. They're the ones that do the pitch meaning stuff but had one where he goes to the guy. The guy at Disney's is like yeah. Here's here's a marvel marvel. Here's the thing so Sony and I worked out way before we were figuring. We'd just do the fake thing to get everyone attention to the news and then working working. We'd look like heroes because that's things you make the cause a problem and then you solve it at your heroes. So so funny. They're saying that's what we did eh. Also apparently in reality Holland himself played a very big part in getting to come to a new agreement. So did he promised to be spoiler anymore. I don't think he's capable again. That's why they can set an end game. They had him and and Mark Ruffalo to get the other kinds. RUFFALO RUFFALO incapable. Here's scripts. Why like seven different endings? Just work the film The mall. Co know which one's the Real Y. You can't split anyway. They weren't they weren't allowed to see anybody else's scripts so they went into it not knowing the other lines of people just so they could say well. I'm trying to think of other ones. Well like Duane said there is some some star wars week coming up sometime. It's funny I have absolutely no interest. This of saint were all of us are pretty more between but mostly I I do WanNa see what I'm looking I'm looking forward to it but the interesting thing is that I have no interest the promotional campaign like not usually a trailer trailer comes out and I WANNA check out. The trailer was star. Wars not really probably. Because I know I'm going to go see it anyway. Like I don't don't want to have any spoilers I I don't I don't want to know too much about this. I'm a walking contradiction when it comes to these new movies. I absolutely hate them. I think they're incredibly horrible. Except for rogue one consoler kind of the other one all these these last three of the through the sequence Yes but this third third one. That's called the sequel trilogy at the Sequel Trilogy Shit One Hundred Percent Shit. But I still bought them for my collection. Because we're completeness for completeness but yet I keep saying that their shit absolute. I've bought a lot of stuff that's upslope into not gonNA lie. I have to admit I'm disappointed in hearing that cloak and dagger been. Yes that was unfortunate. Are they Getting are they going to do the third season or is no no. It's the I had. I had realized I had not realized until until all this stuff happened with Phi and they start talking about what Jeff. Loeb's been up to with television and that wasn't told that article all that I found out that they had not renewed. There have been no renewal announcement for cloak and dagger. What because the finale for season two? They're like what last spring and I was gone home and I started getting a little nervous about that and then sure enough my main source ATV news TV line came out with the article. A couple of days ago saying free for at cancelled it so there will be no season three however they are doing a guest appearance on runaways shows thirties and also. It doesn't mean it's dead Ed dead completely because they could really bring it either as heavy at TV series but I do appreciate appreciate that they left the show in a fairly good place. the show Ann's with the to lead. You know having being prevailed against the big boss for the season the big bad and they literally are heading off on the next adventure so I mean it's not a bad place. It's not you know. Tear my hair out in frustration. Like some other unexpected. The same way. The Iron Fist ended with him now having his iron-fist powers back and colleen wing being the female iron fist and back but at least it ended on a notary. Not It ended in a weird know where he's now firing guns from his iron fist of the iron fist. There there is tremendous tremendous book series called the Immortal Iron Fest. It's by Fella named Matt Fraction. It came out somewhere in the early twenty tens dance and Latte or my a little bit earlier. Even I'd have to look that up but it is fantastic. That is something the ability it. It is absolutely fantastic The the immortal iron fist. Introduces the character of Orson Randall. Who who was the last iron fest and it shows you that there? We're all sorts of different ways to use the chief force the powers the physiology has that Danny ran did never even thought of yeah and that at like the pirate queen of an kick a was the first one to use it. What missile weapons? She had a bow and Arrow that she charged with which the worse. But that's what I'm saying like the ending worked like is it wasn't these Okram what's GonNa happen they. They're they're not on a cliff hanger. You're just sat up for the next step the age on the other hand. That's where and it's sort of like. Okay he's in charge the outcry boss. He's not crying Boston. That's where goes exclusively enough. That's more of a daredevil storyline than it is a power plants you know. Hey what can what can you do. so yeah so oh they are going to show up on runaways which is which is a nice mix I think there's potential maybe to revive Adler show perhaps under Disney plus or Hulu Yup but there have been no signs of that not as yet. There's been talk from producers. We're trying to shop the show elsewhere off so nothing like 'cause you could be right now. In the middle of negotiations with that Internet allowed to talk about it I really enjoy The cast reactions to the cancellation stuff. It's very plain the cast really really bought into the show. I really love the show. Love War on it so that was Kinda nice another news. One is Dune. The Geneva Dune has finished production or wrapped up shooting te announce going into the post and stuff like that to get ready so hopefully next year we will see his his vision of Dune. The only thing I'm bringing to the news and rumors showed up in my facebook feed a couple of times today. Heavy metal. The original movie is ending re-released Limited. So he oughta what's GonNa be at South Keys. Starting starting November eight. Oh okay let's go check it out. I've never seen it on the big screen interesting. South keys isn't really a big screen but it well no but also it's better than the second one that came out the heavy metal two thousand blues brothers. Two thousand Ah Up there with that colty. I'm trying to think that's heavy metals. One of those movies that has not aged. Well no new it's worth seeing for Nostalgia Oughta Sake yeah anyone read. The one spoke watchmen. who had put a link on the background behind? The watchmen characters and something that I did not realize Dicko was an an rand follow. Yes Yeah He. In Complex circles he is famous for his devotion was famous. I should say as Co is no longer with us. He was famous for his devotion devotion to Adrian. And the philosophies and stuff the question not as much but there were other Toco characters similar to the questions where he explored that much more much more and stuff and so yeah. Roszak doc was basically Allen more. Making basically sat at the rand is crap and I'm going to how to use the Prentice expulsion. Take the piss out of it completely. He needed an and that's it for me for news. I can think of at the moment I've got a little bit all right on that The main thing of course was the whole Kevin feige thing one of the things. I wanted to mention which I think are brought up on the facebook page. That's really interesting. Is that this is not only a Kevin foggy ascending and lat this walks. This looks very much. Like the end of Ike promoter at Marvel yes because he is still reporting according same chain of command as he used to write Pearl. Mutter was the ultimate authority for Marvel Publishing Raoul television but now all that is going to buy and foggy has a different command structure I believe his primary bosses Allen Horn. Yeah at Disney. So it's as I said they are expecting jeff low to announce his resignation anytime now and there's not a peep about a prominent which is not terribly surprising because promoter is one of the most reclusive billionaire. We're going to hear of No I know. New Service has a pitcher promoter more recently than Nineteen Seventy S. I believe he does not talk to. The press does not make public appearances. He doesn't do anything but as a comic book Fan as and as a dad. WHO's trying trying to you? Know be aware of my own biases and stuff like that. I'm kind of glad the parameter is gone because amongst his many attitude. It's was his firm belief that female characters could not carry a movie. You know as belief that minority in order characters could most likely not carry a movie He has very old fashioned attitudes. That are no longer are valid in today's Dan H.. And to have his mitts off of my favorite comic book properties. I'm Happy People this that remind me. Thank you because Conan Devas supposed to remind me to coney I- reminds you at the very beginning when we first started so anyways news rumors. I do have one more thing after. You're done yeah so Conan is yes back in the marvel universe now for comics. But there's was one of this cult. Savage avengers yes which includes then Elektra Punisher Wolverine think hailstorm note and also oh Conan and you're going okay. Let's just let's just look at some of the power levels here all right so Conan Sword Guy Tough yes he. He'd it'd be up there with electrical punisher you know for the skill sets and abilities and Then they okay. And there's supposed to be wolverine and Conan fighting like think okay so wolverines got claws which cut through anything so CONAN comes up with a sword. Wolverine blocks and there goes a Sword Stabbed Damsel twenty times as a dill K.. And then you go okay venom okay. Even higher up as it's like this guy can transform do all sorts of things clause out of his you know eat him eat him. So let's whereas I'm happy CONAN's by but I don't like the idea like again bring into the modern times because they did that. Once he came into the time that he ran across Kevin American stuff like that right. He belongs in the source and sorcery the era. Yes not modern day. What they seem to be doing is A? They're exploiting. The the popularity of the character is to be expected. The star tellers seem to be having some fun currently with the notion that yes. This guy is absolutely holy somewhere he should not be and running without. So my personal favourite crossover between Conan verse so to speak and Marvel comics was way back in the day. A marvel team up of Spiderman. Ads Ed's at Red Sonya King Colon. I haven't seen that one. I'd like to see that one. But it's let's say Chris Claremont issue it has cooled gas which Clermont has used a number of times and basically Gotha tax this museum. Ziam Mary Watson is there and the sword starts oddly calling tour. She's at which she draws it. She heads up transferring into right Sonia. So one of Marvel's most famous redheads ends up becoming another rebels. Most famous right ads for for for the purposes of this the last bit i WanNa talk about news and rumors that there's there's a bunch of we could talk about but you know we've we've talked about terminator before Yes for the most part. No one in the Roy was interested. No I wasn't going to be very good things about it. I'm GonNa see it this week to let you know talk about. I've seen it this week. Well sorry when this comes out it might be very seen it. I'm not too sure. Not One of the more interesting rusting news articles. I read just recently an unexpected side effect of the Disney Fox merger and that that so Disney has had a policy forever of their old movies are locked in the vault. nope that's tough had. This has been largely a home video Sales tactic. You know. Get Get Cheer Blu Ray Copy Lamar may before we lock it back up in the vault for ten years type thing. They're starting to apply it to the back list that they acquired from Fox of no and so the end result is almost on a lot of repertory theatres that rely on showing showing these older fellow. Oh massive catalogue I using access to it. For example my all time favorite the princess bride yes is a Fox movie and also the Halloween one that does it. Eight wins the rocky horror rock or sickly exempt that one is specifically civically. Probably because they realized there be an unbelievable public outcry of all of a sudden rocky. Horror wasn't available for midnight showing so yeah but yeah. That's you know. We all knew there was downsides to this massive media. Oh yes of course you know I gotTa admit. I didn't think of this one. Well I know they did because I know. They have issues where they tell theaters. Our our shows have to be in the biggest theatre for this long. We also make up your cut of the movie then normally and the problem is yeah because they're so big now theaters while we don't show her denny's and the thing is is that there's are the blockbusters they're the ones that drive the people into at the movie theater. So yeah but I got a minute. I'm sad to think that I'll see the princess. This is the pride in theater every couple of years or so because I've enjoyed that would go into segment three or shadowed. I okay okay. Let's do shouts. Just keep in mind. We really only have about five minutes left. I don't know we know we need thirty minutes to take. They'll let us. Yeah okay all right so shadow. The shadow goes to track our first patriot. Member scribner thank you for joining us and we'll have some personalized content coming coming your way if those of you who are listening to join in on this personalized content come join us that Patriot dot com slash. Ot BPA all right A segment three normally is when we talk about Some random I knew. I always have something Roundtable discussion however. We're currently at almost a two hour. Make it sauce. We've already had the roundtable discussion since it's a fast one though it goes ties into joker and bat woman so if you look at run tomatoes Mehta's critics joker is a low rating right and if you go for Bellman hiding you look at the fan. Reviews Joker has a really high one. That woman has a really low one. Now there's reasons for both part is because a the media thing forbath woman there was a backlash unwarranted but there was a backlash from idiots like so they automatically hated it right off the Bat All right it's not that great a show. It's not a seventy percent show for me. It's like a forty s at the most. It's going to grow but it's just there whereas Joker was the media going. Oh my God this is going to cost so many problems when it comes out you know. Don't go see it because it's gonNA cause any problems and of course people went to see and what no it's really good. It's well done. So that's whereas so two different movies. Cutler shows come out in one the critters like Oh we don't it. Don't go see it's GonNa cost so many problems. The ones like. Oh it's diversity. We've never had this before. Make Up. He had it other shows had it and strong female characters firefly fly. It makes me wonder how much these people got paid off. That's that's where the clashes will rotten. Tomatoes is happening because like I said Bell's not dot rotten tomatoes fault. It's the critics. Well no not that Robert Tomatoes is owned by Dongo which has deals with Disney for other ones. That's right so there is. There is a money issues. I don't trust critics because they're too easily bought. Well the thing is you gotta do is takes work yet to go through the critics and see what they see for different movies and and sometimes you like Oh. They've only ever talked about a couple ones and they're always these type of movies. Now he's high ratings and then the fans ends the same thing right you gotta go see what other stuff they've said so this is why my review of battlement. I'm like it's on a good show. But you should watch it on your own to see how you feel Alabama as opposed to taking anyone else's think especially when they're there was an agenda for joker and there's gender for Batman right all other things to be agendas for everything for me when people are like. Oh that woman they're just trying to force diversity is like no. It's not forcing diversity. Now zero take it. No it's okay. LGBTQ now people are realizing sporting which should have stuck so their accounting. They always known it. They're just now but now companies like. Oh it's actually make us money it's trendy so we'll do stuff with it because they are a company that wants to make money. It makes sense what I don't what I don't understand what the whole woman backlash is like. You know there has been a lot out there. There's some of those down our throats allies going. Have you been watching longer over. Well no not really. If you watch the driller it doesn't show it throat like yeah the differences and you know and also you know unlike supergirl which was very very much with the politics in your face last season at least What Bow Woah? It's just part of who she is. You know third her. She's dealing with an x in this case the X.. Happens to be a woman wasn't on the is unwarranted. She's got you know. Aw All this stuff. It's just it's more. It's much more background with that woman. Hammered relationship is a relationship. And you've got uh I mean Moro which I haven't seen any fan backlash about anything where the captain is Spicy Spicer Sexual and currently in a committed relationship with a woman at at the moment And they keep hanging around. What the COCKNEY magician who who will try anything anybody? The backlash is because yet buffy like will was came out as lesbian and what's she was there was groundbreaking for TV at the time. Don't but what I'm saying is there was no huge backlash against buffy. There was not not like that woman. Yeah but the thing is the Internet wasn't as prominent as it was now and so the the Internet I find has an amplifying effect act. It makes all voices louder which can be good and can be bad and people believe everything but I mean like you know for example with with willow justice how how far we've come and everything. They had to fight for years to able to show willow kissing a girl. Yes Oh yes I know now. No big deal. Well it's interesting some TV shows before us to push things will did that. Push Star Trek with the first interracial. Kiss push things nowadays though they don't most TV show back not all but no now every TV show has is now oh inclusive. But they don't push anything like they don't take a lot of risks anymore it's trendy so they're going to do that but they won't do stuff that might get a huge backlash right jokers. One of the few were there like okay. We're going to do with mental issues again. But it's like Kay dues again taxi driver to the same thing take time ago but they're not most TV Cape especially regular. TV ISN'T GONNA go. Let's try something that's different. It really really different to push boundaries but I just find it interesting how things have in some ways backed off off particularly on the network side of things in the states because for example. I'm showing my age there. It was a show called. NYPD blue show too. Yeah Award winning COP drama. Hell stuff it made a a lot of waves because a few times it showed Bare Butts Jimmy Smith yet on TV on a network work yet. Can you think of any show on a network that has shown that much nudity in the last five years. No that's what I'm saying. John you know they don't they you know they were pushing boundaries and then they backed off Now all the edgier stuff is on cable where we have things like black sales which have talked about lies podcasts. Such a great show thrones. Hbo Showcase Oh oh. HBO started a Long Time Ago. But that's not now you can't get it like you say you can't get on TV and doing stuff. That's not not grown. Pretty at groundbreaking but also just pushing pushing the boundaries going back to the safe advertising dollar and stuff like that because they will have this huge backlash even though it's like ten people ain't down. I guess that was my two cents. Okay we should probably wrap it up. Yeah we're now just a little over the two minutes well although there will be many minutes cut out throughout the episode. That people won't even hear about much longer than two minutes on this one to. I'm talking two hours in three minutes. 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"Did you know that with drizzly, you can get drinks delivered to your door and under sixty minutes. Yup. With drizzly the number one alcohol delivery APP, you can shop a huge selection of beer wine and liquor including favorites like Don Julio and bullet Bourbon plus you can shop across multiple stores in your area to find what you want at the best prices download the APP or visit drizzly dot com that's DRI Z l. y. and use code save to save five dollars on your first order today. This is a CBC podcast. Hello. I'm Carol. Off and I'm Chris Bowden. This is as it happens the podcast edition. Tonight and Strength Wayne Gretzky and Andrew Barons remember their late friend and behind the scenes teammate Joey Moss who managed to bring the best hockey players as people church and states a Republican Evangelical Christian says he can't vote for Donald trump for moral reasons but he can't bring himself to support Joe Biden either worried sick at Toronto cancer surgeon says the covert effect is making people delay early screening and avoid hospitals, which may be behind a sharp rise in patients coming to him with advanced cancers. The beat goes on Diane Di Prima who died on Sunday started her career as. One of the few women in the beat poetry scene. But her daughter tells us her work is irrelevant the here, and now the political is personal as the UK tries to scale back free meals for students at British law word reveals how much he and his family relied on them when he was a boy and deer in the headlines, a buck in British, Columbia is turning heads and racking up a following online for his ability to accessorize with a Bright Pink Yoga ball wedged between his antlers as it happens the Tuesday edition radio guesses even deer suffer from male pattern baldness. This is my good pal joy. Every day joy worked hard dresser preparing things. I was Wayne Gretzky's speaking at the beginning of PSA from about thirty five years ago it. The great one is standing in front of Edmonton oilers, Gear Skates Helmets and team jerseys and beside him is another great one and fellow legend of Canadian Sport Joey Moss. For decades Mr Moss worked as a locker room attendant for the oilers and Edmonton's football team, he would go on to be inducted into the sports hall of Fame Joey. Moss died yesterday he was fifty seven. Mr Moss was born with Down's syndrome and in the nineteen eighties Mister Gretzky helped him get a job with his NHL team. He was dating Mr Masa sister at the time in the years that followed Mr Moss and Mr Gretzky formed a deep bond. We reached Wayne Gretzky in California. Sorry, for your us. you know unfortunately, life was that seriously tragedies and say, this is one of the Mrs. Duff days for obviously his family and Lot of the players who went locker room are fans of Edmonton. Crews. Mentally challenged kids across the country that. have been impacted by his life. He's a pretty special young man and A. He will be missed dearly but he won't be forgotten. He was just a tremendous young man. I was specialty you. Well, I grew up my dad's sister who had down syndrome I grew up with her Time I was born and so I was very comfortable kids who are mentally challenged. when I got to meet Joey he'd just finished his sort of curriculum with school and he's working in a bottle depot and Putting a lot of hard hours and I felt like his love and passion for hockey would be a bonus plus to the Edmonton orders and. Glenn say there was kind enough to allow him instead working in the locker room and he became a fixture And People sent me a lot of Texas and faxes and own calls the last twenty, four hours about. How how much of a nice life he had because there's but on the other side of it? he was an impact, our lives whether it was myself or Paul coffey Mark Messier or grant fuhr Kevin Lowe or the fans of Edmonton. He was a huge impact, all of my sort of positive way. The fact that he have on those players, I mean, those are pretty pretty tough guys. How did he melt their hearts? Because reality life was in professional hockey we need is everything. And you're on top of the mountain you win and we'll get major on the bottom of the mount bottom of the ballet. And he had that special way to be able to. After a hockey game tough laws or tough game to be able to. Let us know and understand that there's more things in life more important one loss. So. He became a fixture. He was so imperative to the success of our club because his personality was such that he was so positive appreciate it everything in life. He loved his family and he loved his. Friends and he loved the people that were part of the orders and he truly enjoyed being sort of A. Celebrity in town for that matter in the province of Alberta. and. I always say. I'm not sure what he did for. Kids were mentally challenged but I know what he did for the parents of those kids. visit he showed those parents that. There's a light at the end of the tunnel that they can live a normal life and they can part of society. And I think that gives them a lot of hope and I think that's what he's going to be most remembered for is there when you say that he could bring those players out of that. Those debt pit of despair is there a story? Is there something you? You remember about how he? He did that? What did he say? How did he? How did he work that magic? I think it's more as actions. You know he's a touchy feely young man he loved being in the locker with the oilers in the Eskimos and that was his life. And I think when people? Came in that locker room just looked at them. Understood that. Wow. life is not that tough right now and we have this young man here telling us that everything's GonNa be okay. That goes a long way. Did. You have any idea that when you brought him into the oilers dressing room that he was going to give that much more. There's going to be more than just a a team player part of the gang that he was going to be inspiration not just to players, but to your to the city. Oh. Absolutely from day one. that. He was going to be used part of the. Makeup of the organization not only for us, but for the ESKIMOS. Paul I used to sit around tease about it that. We're going to be long gone from. Emma ten enjoy still going to be here is going to be a huge fixture in the city the organization. and. That's exactly what happened just finally. Is there any particular story that you could share with us that you cherish about about Joey? Oh, there's so many You live with me for. A better part of two years you would stay with me. In my apartment and obviously when we went on the road, he would go back and stay with his mother. But the biggest thing in life was his mother always told me. You know he's. Twenty years old or twenty one or twenty two is in our young man and treat them like everyone else and she was a sort of a Trailblazer in a sense that she didn't want him to be treated any differently than any other. Twenty all then that's what we tried to do respect. And I just can't say enough is your best friends and is a wonderful young man. Lane thank you so much. You're telling, US. About Jonas. All right. Thank you. You guys have a great day. That was former NHL star Wayne Gretzky remembering his friend Joey Moss years after Wayne Gretzky left Edmonton Andrew Farris would lead the oilers as their captain. We reached him in Edmonton. And do what was it like for you and your family to get this news. Frankly the gut wrenching. Just such a sad. Sad year and then to have. News come through JOE is. Just. Tore my heart out really and and. You know my girls are old enough. I have two daughters wrong. Who got to know Joe when we came back to Edmonton and my wife new. So kind of all of us were just really good morning and. I guess that transitioned into some good storytelling to to other last night but just overall sadness. Was Jealous like. Full of life I guess I mean like I said, we're telling stories vote. You know how. I guess what you do when you're remember somebody. You know when I think of joy, I think of you know in a few different ways I guess. As a kid growing up in Emerton I remember Miss Know Wayne's body and you know they're doing you know all the other work in the dresser. You know I. Guess after getting to know a bit coming to play for the oilers and seeing them about town. I. Think of him a lot. Know on the dance floor. Being the first guy out there you know just calling off I was good dance moves and I think you know at a Special Olympics ball hockey tournament tonight think of him. You know walking the runway at a at a fundraiser for the Down Syndrome society and just being a total superstar. Full full of life for sure. And he brought a lot out another people didn't I mean he's he's in the oilers dressing room. This is a pretty hard place to be but I understand he he warmed a lot of hearts. He was the sole team for generations. Sports can kind of get lost in itself sometimes, he can enter into this little bubble where. He you know certain things that you probably aren't the most important things in the world tend to really seem important at the time and. I think what you know. Joy special power was was just kind of bringing everybody back to a different perspective of you know. Yeah you lost last night but. He was able to put a smile on your face the next morning and. Always there for you. In once in a while, you're breakout singing La Bamba or something to pick up the boys and make give them a good laugher. His Banter was unmatched to you know if he if he wanted to get you with a good one liner or something like that. So I mean. He was just so valuable to like I said, generations of players that came through that room and not only oilers you know even visiting teams. In and I know. Sure turn into a legend where you guys are really excited to meet meet Joey and. I guess it may is one of those. Welcome to NHL moments is the first time that you've probably got to see joy moss in. Evanston. For a lot of guys including myself that was a big moment to meet a legends like him. Not. As. For Hockey Fires Right I mean Joey Moss was somebody who could go around Edmonton people wanted his wanted to have their picture taken with him. They wanted his autograph. They wanted him to bless their children I mean he was he would you meant a lot to people in Edmonton didn't. Honestly went zero exaggeration. You know there's been a lot of superstars come through your ears by far. By Far, the most beloved Antonio and that's that's not an exaggeration and I said that years ago he is he truly is. The soul of the city and I think that you know it really hit a lot of people are using yesterday because. You did so much. For so many different people, right. You know obviously for the Down Syndrome Dunston community. He. He was A. Guy Ray so much money. He was always out there at the fundraisers. Such unbelievable advocate. For hockey players use a friend right and. Like I said that guy that brought everybody back to you know a good level set. So I guess you know everybody is different interactions with over the years and. I think they're all positive. So you know any any celebrity or any fame that he encountered was. In a more deserve than probably anybody else ever has received saying. You wrote on twitter. You said, I'll remember him singing the anthem with pride getting fired up about wrestling and always asking if I combed my hair with pork chop. Like I said pretty, good, banter, and. You come in and he liked to like a little back and forth once in awhile. Sometimes the guys would give him a hard time because he he was a hard worker you know you'd be in there with the trainers and doing doing all his chores and all the laundry and getting the bottles ready in talks ready and everything that he needed to do for for us now practice, but he somehow always found a way to get two or three breakfasts delivered to him as well. You. Gave them a hard time about being on his third breakfast Hewitt's popoff a line like that or something like that. He just kind of give you the once over ask you if you combed hair with pork, chop that morning or something. And there's no comeback. You know what are you? Can you come back to that? So Late in the mood a lot but to really memories. And? Had conversations with like a few people over the last day and. Guy The. Guy Sang rate singing, the anthem and. Not only that like you think of what we can all learn from from joy moss. BELTED OUT OH SING SING Sing like you mean it you know if there's a dancefloor get out there and dance he was the first guy out there pulling off all the best moves. Really Living. Living right life three way. Chris leary was writing. You said that the Joey Moss was he had That athletes appeared to be made out of stone could turn and melt into buttery kindness. When they saw Joey Moss is a we talk about whispers those who are masters of being able to crack difficult tasks but Joey Moss was a people whisper even if he didn't realize it Well I mean, how do you save better than that it? It's true I mean you. Here's a pure soul. And do I really appreciate you telling about Joey Moss. Thank you. Well, I appreciate you know seeing everybody the response to his passing so sad but. The Guy said the positivity of people sharing their stories and what joy meant to. So many people I'm really glad that you know he's he's getting his do because there's there's nobody that's more deserving. Thank you. I. Thank you. That was the former captain of the Edmonton oilers Andrew Ferrets in Edmonton. He's now the NHL is director of social impact growth and legislative affairs. As we just heard Mr Farrant say joy moss saying his hard out on the ice here he is seeing the national anthem. o-. o-. To We Young. To. you. Old. We, die. Pull me. Joey Moss belting out the national anthem at an Edmonton oilers home game. So we must the team's longtime locker room attendant and Edmonton legend died yesterday he was fifty seven. Love We. Abuse. This story is about one of the unexpected symptoms of the pandemic, but it's not about getting a rash or losing your sense of smell. In fact, it's not about people being diagnosed with covid nineteen at all. It's about people being diagnosed with and treated for cancer. On colleges insurgents say they're seeing more patients with advanced cancers at their hospitals? Dr. Jonathan Irish is one of those doctors. He's a head and neck cancer surgeon in the provincial head of the Surgical Oncology Program at Ontario Health we reached Dr Irish in Toronto. Irish. How much more advanced the cancers that you're seeing some of your patients that's really hard to measure. We have fourteen regional heads or at our province for cancer surgery, and we're hearing from the ground that patients are presenting with more advanced disease. So I can speak personally as it hadn't that cancer surgeon and in my unit. That, we've done ten inject amies. Now, Alaron check to me is an operation done for the most advanced voice box cancers or larynx cancers. And we've done more in the last two months than we usually do in full year. Now that anecdotal but we're hearing from our colleagues and from the ground that patients are presenting increasingly with more advanced cancers is is your senses sense of the other doctors again, this anecdote that is linked to the pandemic well I don't think there's any doubt we know for example, that patients are visiting their primary care doctors less often we know in fact that the number of C. T. Scans Mri scans that have been done in the province is a lot less than the same time last year. Our screening programs for Colon. Cancer. Mammography for breast cancer are cervical cytology screening for cervical cancers and so on. Are Down over eighty percent, and of course, that pipeline that diagnostic pipeline throughout the course of the patient pathway through the system from primary care to diagnostics and C. T. and MRI and screening ultimately results in. Patients being slowed up in the diagnostic pipeline and they are presenting. I, conjecture that they're presenting with more advanced cancers. So Again I guess people are is because of the pandemic is the choice of those patients who are not getting the the prescreening, not going to see their doctors just for routine things as well as if they feel there's something. They should get looked at, is it they're opting to do that or is it that the system isn't allowing them in? I. Think it's a little bit of both I've. been on situations and I know my colleagues have as well where. I've had patients who have been diagnosed with cancer but are fearful of coming into the hospital for care because. They are fearful quite frankly that they're going to contract Of course, it's irrational fear is contracted cove in nineteen. While they're in hospital there'll be exposed, and so I think there's an element here of fear of going to the doctor of going to the hospital and of course of increasingly ignoring their symptoms so that they present with more advanced cancers. So there's an element of the system you know chief medical officer of health directed elective services to. SHUT DOWN ON MARCH Seventeenth of of this year and opened up in May, and we're still seeing a backlog of of patients as we wrap up our services. We certainly proved that we could slow down quickly to create capacity for Covid nineteen patients, but it was much more of a challenge to ramp up after we were directed to to slow down services to create that resource for covid nineteen patient. As an oncologist, what does it mean to you and your colleagues that after all the years that you have put into trying to encourage people for to get screened to get looked at to be in routine screening processes all these things in order to have early diagnosis that was just. A key part of the success of the of cancer treatment. How much have you lost in this period? Well, it's hard to exactly tell you how much we've lost but How do we feel we feel frustrated obviously whether we're cardiac surgeon where there were cancer surgeon, you know in those areas where we have time urgent or time sensitive surgical procedures that you know we can measure in quantity of life because of what we can do. The ability to detect early cancer to detect cancer early in its and at stage is absolutely critical and one of the ways we've been able to push the needle for improvements in cancer. Survival over the last twenty years. Of A huge part of that is early detection and screening. Not just better surgery not just integrated radiation treatments and the advances that we've made and medical college in immunotherapy. But a lot of the story has been written by early detection. We're about to go into our already are into many parts of the country the second wave what advice do you give to people who are hesitating about getting the screening? Here's the good news. So I think we're getting our message out stories like this I. Hope that the message will get out to our patients to don't ignore symptoms Your symptoms of cancer and don't ignore of cardiac disease or stroke, and so on. The other part of this is rather than reactive, which is to clear our backlogs of surgery is to be proactive. So we know more about covert nineteen than we did last March and so we understand that it's more of a regional endemic that we can react regionally where. The guards to how healthcare services should ramp down to take care of covid nineteen patients and how we can ramp up safely and protect our patients who do not have covid nineteen but care for them and Covid nineteen environment. So we understand that we don't have to take a mass casualty type of approach where we closed down services like we did in March. To create a capacity of care for patients that we now understand that we can be much more selective and how we create resources for patients, and it's in response to how the regional uptick and patients who have covert nineteen is occurring right useful information for people that are Dr. Irish. Thank you. Thank you for bringing the story forward. Dr Jonathan Irish is a head and neck cancer surgeon with the university health network. He's also the provincial head of Surgical Oncology Program at Ontario Health's cancer. Care Ontario. We reach Dr Irish in Toronto after this story was first reported in the Toronto Star and you can find more at CBC dot? CA. SLASH AI H. Leslie John Griffiths and Marcus Rashford are both British beyond that they would appear to have zero or not as the British. SAY IN COMMON MR, griffiths is a methodist minister turned Labor member of the House of Lords best known as Lord. Griffiths and Mr Rashford is a forward for Manchester United best known for kicking a soccer ball very well. But lately, the two men have found common ground on one issue the importance of free school meals in the UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has come under fire for his refusal to extend those meals over an upcoming holiday. Instead, he says, local councils should draw on funding announced over the summer to help families make ends meet but speaking in the House of Lords today Lord Griffith says he knows the toll that plan will take an expects little else from a graduate of the country's prestigious Eton College. I was in receipt of. Free meals throughout my entire school career. My mother, a single woman, her own yank him walls, the contributions of the national assistance. We lived in one room. I remember very clearly I can still taste and smell it. The mounting panic ahead of school holidays. Because the income we had could not stretch to feeding two boys and a mother in the day. Marcus Rashford I have this and probably only this in common. May remember not in our heads we do not hold bodies. An Old Etonian of course can't be expected to have the same experience. Some local councils will draw money in the way that the government is suggesting from allocations they've received other local authorities won't. Some communities will rise to the challenge life other communities won't. Some children will get through. Most won't. Can it can the noble lady the Minister Give us some reassurance not hide behind global figures. And understand the postcode lottery is multiple formula that's destined to help the well being of our children. Lord Leslie John Griffiths defending free. School. Meals in the UK's House of Lords today. In Response Education Minister Baroness Elizabeth Berridge said many noble lords of all parties and none can recall circumstances in which their own needs whether that be housing or food were not met through the circumstances of their family unquote. She did not however make it clear how this government would meet them. Only. Did you know that with drizzly, you can get drinks delivered to your door and sixty minutes. Yep. With drizzly the number one alcohol delivery APP, you can shop a huge selection of beer wine and liquor including favorites like Don Julio and bullet verb plus you can shop across multiple stores in your area to find what you want at the best prices download the APP or visit drizzly dot. com that's D. R. I. Z. L. Y. and use code save to save five dollars on your first order today. You know you're smart funny friends who always seemed to have the best celebrity gossip. I'm talking about the ones who always know what you should be watching or reading or listening to or what have you can pick their brains every week pop chat is a brand new podcast but does exactly that and feels like spending time with your best friend. So Join Me Levine Abdul Mahmoud and a panel of the smartest culture critics that I know as we dissect the discourse but also have a great time doing. For some people deciding how to vote in the upcoming US election isn't just a political choice. It's immoral one as well. Bill Brubaker is one of them. He's an evangelical Christian and a Republican when we last spoke with Mr. Brubaker in two thousand seventeen when Republican Roy Moore was running for a Senate seat in Alabama. You may recall that Mr Moore was endorsed by President Donald. Trump. Despite the fact that nine women had accused Mr Moore of sexually assaulting or sexually pursuing them when they were teenagers Bill Brubaker told Carol that he couldn't bring himself to vote for mister more. So what do you say to your fellow Evangelical 's? First of all that whenever we find ourselves defending the indefensible that maybe it ought to be a good warning sign to us that we need to remind ourselves where our allegiances really are to be. and. if we find ourselves sending things that. That we we would attack if somebody and another party or another tribal engaging them. Then I. Think we've Lost Lost Mooring somewhere. So I'm deeply concerned about that. That was bill brubaker speaking with Carol in December twenty seventeen we reached him again today in Tuscaloosa Alabama. They'll as a Republican and and evangelical. Christian how are you feeling as you look at your choice in this presidential election? Well, I'm personally not feeling all that different than I did twenty sixteen I was. Dismayed by the presence approach to politics and civic discourse before that election and. In somebody else as a choice to feel like vote for Single Clinton sex recording. Expect I'll be the same thing this time. So. So what what's going through your mind? What's what are you thinking about as you try to make position? Just, give us a little slice into your thought processes if you would. I continue to believe that president trump just lacks the basic. Character and leadership qualities to hold. Such an important office. So I don't have any intention of. Avoiding for him. I. Think he's done a lot of damage our political institutions over the last four years. At the same time. You know. There's some things I. Like about Abidin Presidency, if that happens I'll enjoy. Not having a tweet every morning, I'll enjoy not having a president to was so. Tepid DENUNCIATION OF WHITE SUPREMACISTS Not. So given to dividing us, you know all those things I'll be happy about but finds policies or not policies that I support buying large and he's going to spend a lot of money. He's GonNa appoint people that I will like now mattress foreign policy. Will be a success. So I find myself a little bit homeless I guess would be. Like us so you can't bring yourself to vote for Joe Biden. No no you know for me voting for somebody got hurt at American commentator David French say that. He has a two part test for for folks and one is voting for somebody on the basis of their character and the others on the base policies. If you want to get my vote, then I I need to be comfortable. Not only what say you are but what you're GONNA do? And what will you write in a candidate then? I suppose. So yes, I'm not sure I'll. I'll probably ride you know Mitt Wrong Ben. Sasse right I've got a lot of Alabamians will right in our Our famous football coach Nick Saving so. The protest though he probably will work as well as anybody else. Do you Republicans. Who dislike president trump who have decided they're going to vote for Joe Biden. Had dinner with one last night. Longtime very is bowl Republican. And he is voted. not just for president, Biden but he's having the straight democratic ticket. Let brought him to that choice. Well I. Think we both like to send a message to the Republican leadership that I Republican Party that's built on trump is really has no future. And he just made the a little angrier than I am. I don't know. Do. You think he's unusual or do you think there's others like him? Oh I suspect there will be many others like him. I think everybody's exhausted I don't think evangelical are immune from that and I know to be fair. I think lots of folks voted for trump and twenty sixteen. SORTA held their nose and. Hope for the best on the policy side of things and I think after four years it's hard to hard to tell yourself that. The worst qualities that we saw in trump the poll, the campaign. Would not going to materialize and trump the officeholder. We've we've seen own things get worse on that front for four years. You know lots of people say that the Donald Trump. Isn't the cause? He's an effect right? He's a symptom of something in the Republican Party and you said yourself twenty seventeen. When we spoke that you wish that were more evangelical Christians who had questioned. Their relationship with the Party itself I use saying that happening. Actually I have seen some about happened and I, do think after the election. There will be. A reexamination of the relationship between evangelical and. Republican Party, trump loses out there will be one of the guardless. But I expect there will be especially if he does lose because the question that somebody like me and has to ask is you know do I have a home in the party that is so interested in nationalism and tying the flag and the Gospel together in ways that don't seem to fit you know is it enough just to say that you're pro-life? To get my vote in my compelled to vote for this party of opposed to the other one just merely on that single issue alone although that's an issue that's very important to me and very important to evangelical generally and I think there's a sense of embarrassment among evangelical. That's been taken for a ride a bit in my opinion. You know there are a lot of Senate seats that people are watching wondering if they will go to the Democrats but in Alabama, there's a possibility that it will go the other way. That's there's one unsafe democratic seat isn't there the senator? Doug Jones. Against Roy Moore, and now he Doug Jones is running against Tommy Tub reveal a well-known football coach. How are you gonNA. Vote in that election if you can tell me. Well I'm GONNA hold my nose and vote for Tommy tell them whatever his deficiencies in my view there Anyway he doesn't. Talk in the same sort of religious language that Roy Moore does and so given my concern about some of the pulse developments in a Biden presidency, I'd really like to see the Senate remained Republican hands. So you have decided you're going to vote. For Dole yes. Yes. Yes. I'll go ahead and say I'm GonNa vote for coach topical. I you know I've got friends that held their nose and vote for the president years ago and I'm I'm GonNa. Do the same thing. Hill this year. All right. They'll. Maybe we'll be talking to you in four years from now. All this work. Well. I hope we'll be talking. Better happier time I appreciate your having me on. We are to thanks so much. Bill Brubaker Evangelical Republican voter he teaches law at the University of Alabama. In Tuscaloosa. The poet Diane Di Prima leaned into life fearlessly opening herself to experience the world as deeply and fully as possible, and that philosophy applied to the realms of sex spirituality poetry and politics made for an extraordinary life you can feel it in her writing. Very a very brief one line poem from the fifties. Get your cut throat off my nice. And only slightly longer poem from the sixties. Revolutionary Letter Number Four. Left to themselves people grow their hair left to themselves. They take off their shoes left to themselves. They make love sleep easily share blankets, dope and children. They are not lazy or afraid. They plant seeds they smile they speak to one another the word coming into its own touch of love on the brain, the ear. We Return with the sea, the tides we return as often as leaves as numerous as grass. Gentle insistent. We remember the way our Babes total barefoot through the cities of the universe. The raw honesty and revolutionary bent of Diane, to premiums work has resonated far beyond the fifties or sixties when she was one of the few women in the beat scene, it's become a touchstone for many of the people who took to the streets this spring after the death of George Floyd at the hands of police. Diana Prima died on Sunday after a long illness. She was eighty six years old. We reached her daughter. Dominique de Prima in Los Angeles. Cristobal, I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you. When you hear your mom read that poem left to themselves. WHAT COMES TO MIND From revolutionary letters for powerful book reflecting a lot of her, you know political beliefs and her lifelong commitment to activism. You know she is was an anarchist. And she believed also in the best of people and goodness in you know in in optimism and creativity. And she always was steadfast in that throughout her whole life. Just, in that one part of revolutionary letters, it's just The combination of how she weaves together politics she. Touch of love. The idea of people, the images of grow their hair and take off their shoes. They're not lazy or afraid. Oh. Things that she twines together where does all that come from along with the spirituality she adds to it. Right so of course, my mom was a Buddhist. And she believed in. A world that wasn't linear wasn't wasn't ruled by Western thinking You know people don't realize she. She was a physics major when she went to swarthmore incredibly brilliant mind and you know not that she didn't understand Western culture or mathematics. She just didn't believe that the universe or society had to be the way that someone else prescribed it to be or the way that Western male you know patriarchal norms said, it should be and that's just that was her world view and informed everything I mean, the Buddhism, the anarchist perspective, her you know study of Alchemy and Pagan and magical traditions, all of these things. Combined to create a world view that was in some ways futuristic because a lot of the things that she you know explored deeply our trendy or things that people are now discovering, right? She is regarded to have been beat poet part of the beat generation. It's it's hard to imagine though because that that I think of Jack Kerouac, Allen Ginsberg and. Very chauvinistic male world. How did what role did you? How did she fit into that? Honestly I mean you know I was. Too. Little really probably know house even dot KEROUAC. My mom fit in anywhere she went she was unafraid and she wouldn't hesitate to tell someone they were a bore. which is more what she would be likely to save in the sexist is you're a bore. And I think probably some of the things some guys did when mom wasn't around, they didn't do or they got called on if they did it and you know Ginsburg I mean I do remember him. Well, you know he was one of my babysitter's as a child and you know and and someone that I looked up to coming up I don't know that just wasn't my perspective in him I mean I guess you know he's a man and he was a gay man. so He's around the other men, but I never experienced him to be sexist. You know he was. He was a good friend and my mom I'm trying to imagine your childhood because your mom had five kids from different relationships. She had a lot of loves she moved a few times with kids with her and. Always found space for them with our Ginsburg as your babysitter I mean wh what was it like to have them? I mean certainly. Not An upbringing that I've ever seen portrayed anywhere. Else but. I? Think we had a lot of strengths I mean we were exposed to a lot of different things more poetry. You know by the time you were seven than most people would probably experiencing their whole lives and you know we'd have the living theatre coming crashing at the house and. You know, I mean we were demonstrations and we were festivals and teachings and backstage at concerts, and we went with her I think It was it made a strong, all of us are. Able to talk to just about anybody all of us, you know believe in our own creativity and imagination as the most important thing. All of us have been taught to question authority and look under neath the surface of everything and not just go along to get along and you know a lot of things like that that make you well equipped to lead whatever life you decide you want to lead. Is there a special memory? You haven't sure there's many many but is there anything in particular? You'd share with us that would you? Tell us about your mom. And Yeah, there's a lot of things I mean, I think. My mom you know, I'm African American My father is Amiri Baraka the poet and you know I'm the only kid they add together. But kids at school used to ask me if I was adopted because my mom was white and black and social while ago. Though she marches up to school hollering. Don't they know that black? and. White people can have sex and have babies and they have and they grow up to be children and families, and why would you keep asking my daughter if she's adopted of course, I was mortified. You know this is like the end of the world my life is over now. But in hindsight I think you know here we are in his small relatively Hick town, my mom's a bomb. And she just she's just going to go up there and tell them about themselves and you know That's just how she was. She was never, GonNa. Never going to back down. To create story. I'm sure you know that over the spring and summer the over protests, black lives matter sweeping your your country sweeping the continent and. Of People turn to your mother's. Revolutionary letters of a part of what she read at the beginning and posting quotations from them online. was she aware of how many people were? Discovering are rediscovering her work. I don't know that she knew the scope of it but I do not a lot of those folks showed up like when my mom was at the nursing home when she was in the hospital even when she was in her apartment and she needed stuff I mean we had a birthday party for her when she turned eighty and there were you know punk rockers and you know transpeople and old hippies and beat Knicks and it was the most. Diverse. Group of people and it made me smile because it showed me that you know the people that my mom you know meant something to they showed up for her. And she was happy to embrace them You know I had a trans woman. Tell me my mom was the first person to give her a pair of earrings I had you know an old hippie telling me that my mom was no one of the elders that never sold out. And I know that she was aware of that love because those folks showed up for her. Wow. Is there a line of her poetry you found yourself thinking about these last couple of days Yeah I mean I think about the poem? Rant. The the the war is the war of the imagination right because I think about what's happening in our country with the election and everything and how we have a president who's lied at least twenty thousand times since he's been in office and he has perverted the American imagination into. Division and darkness and and Bore Ish nece lack of character and how we can take that back with our own mindset in our own imagination, our own thoughts and it is about reimagining I, mean if you listen to black lives matter if you listen to poets, it's about reimagining what we think. We live like what we think people interact like and what we think policing is going to be and I think you know for me right now you know. missing my mom a lot and stuff I just think that her. Honing in on the res on the power in the importance of our imaginations is just A very important message right now. Dominic is lovely to speak with you and thank you so much for telling us about your mother. Thank you for telling the world about mom right by. Dominique de Prima spoke to us from Los Angeles, her mother, the poet Diane Di Prima died on Sunday at the age of eighty six and you can find out more about her on her website CBC Dot Slash Aih. ME. You may not be able to trick or treat this year. But if you're looking for a last minute costume for your Halloween bubble bash or zoom call, Bali, the deer might be the ticket. You'll just need a bright pink yoga ball and something to stick it to your head. On Sunday Kayla Vickers posted a photo of a deer. She spotted roaming around Prince Rupert British Columbia With Pink Yoga Ball wedged between its antlers yesterday Ms Vicar spoke with CBS's daybreak North about the now Internet famous Bali and his predecessor. Hammy the deer made headlines three years ago for sporting a purple Hammock in his antlers. Really shocked when I seen it, I called the officers to inform them to let them know that there's a big fear walking around with a pink bright ball in its atlas. What did they say? I kind kinda think he thought I was joking at first 'cause he was like what it was like yeah. It's a big gear with a ball desecrated the tweeted that winners. And then he kinda started chuckling and then he said all right. I'll let the office knowing rupert. This was on a Sunday that that you saw the deer and you took some pictures and video of it. That's how we learned that there was another dear wondering around with an interesting headpiece stuck to it. What kind of reaction have you had to the photos and the video? What my first comment that I got from. One of the pages in Rupert was heavy two point zero. And then a lot of people were just like, oh, he just wants to play basketball and a lot of people were just giggling and. There was a one comment that ask if I called the office officers and that was about it. And so of course, we talk about there having been Hammy deer a few years ago with the purple. Hammock caught to its antlers. Have you heard any names for this new deer their ball Bali I've seen one that said Baldo like a like a d o e ready to go. And and then I just seen a lot of like Cammy to plano heavies have his cousin and stuff like that. Have you heard anything more from conservation about what they plan to do next? No he said they would call me an update me if they fine him but I haven't received a call or anything. Kill Vicar speaking with daybreak north host Caroliina to write about a deer that's roaming around. Prince Rupert British Columbia with a Pink Yoga Ball in its antlers, the BC Ministry of the environment says, the ball poses no risk to the buck. But if you're there, Keep Your Eyes Peeled for Bali Aka Baldo the deer. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast show can be heard Monday to Friday on CBC Radio One on Sirius Xm following the world at six. Also. Listened to the whole show on the CBC listen APP download it for free from the APP store or Google play. Thanks for listening I'm Carol off and I'm Chris. For, more CBC podcasts. Go to CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.

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Kill or be Killed (Comic) - GMMF

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Kill or be Killed (Comic) - GMMF

"Hi everybody and welcome to another episode of gave my mom pound I am Mike. who were the vigilantes jalopy's with me tonight mast then Jalen Tease Stephan? Jd and Jesse Chavez returning back to gain my mom phone nice to have you back on again. Oh good to be here. Hasn't been episode eleven. You joined at that when we were still we were still baby. podcasters learning how to podcast. ooh I mean we're we're like forty some episodes of this coastal over forty at this point so Or you guys. You guys have leveled up good to Zia line a little bit. This was your pick for this episode. You WanNA introduce what we're GONNA be talking about this week. The yes we're talking about the comic book killer be killed. And it's done by Ed Brubaker. And Sean Phillips and colored by Elizabeth Elizabeth Bright Bright Bright Wiser Breitweiser for Budweiser. I don't know and before we go too far. There will be spoilers for this comic that came out in Twenty Sixteen Twenty eight and in two thousand eighteen and that long ago but also this just to give a quick worrying. This episode will probably touch on mental illness A lot of different. A lot of different explicit things are probably GonNa talk about cheating rape Killing people suicide. So just to warn you. I'm for instance episode. I just want to quit warning out there so it gets something. You're not well it. Yeah I mean. I don't know where this conversation going to go because it hasn't happened yet but I don't want to go back and add audio in. I want to get it out just in case anyone listened to his house would probably recommend headphones for this one because depending on what we say about this comic or if we go into it you might not want that out out loud put going so there's your warning. There's your warning about explicit content and if we get there and all right Stephanie. You said you wanted to start this off with a little bit intro to the comic. Yeah I'm just GONNA for people who haven't read the comic They won't be able to get the inner monologue which is a key component of the comic for main protagonist while vigilante main vigilante dylan. So I I just want to read the first couple of pages of just inner monologue to Kinda show where his mind is that in the world and the first thing he says. Here is This isn't how I imagine my life would be ever but you don't always have choice to you and let's face it become pretty good at this killing people people who you deserve it and yeah you can sit there and ask what gives me the right to make that judgment. But that's just your defense your alibi for not doing anything because because the world is shit right now and we all know it. Just look at the news for five fucking minutes and it's obvious big business controls your government assholes go on shooting rampages. There's almost a daily terrorist bluff airports and train stations. Cops Kill Innocent Black Kids and get away with the psychopaths run for president. uh-huh and the Middle East is one nuke away from turning us all into dust. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. The fact is there's there's no justice bad people get away with everything and greed is destroying the entire fucking planet. We all know this is true but we refuse to really let ourselves believe we cling to fantasy to hope we say shit like the arc of time as long but it bends towards justice when it clearly so does not it eh towards fast fascism and mass graves but we said at our screens and filler heads with noise and scream at each other. As if that's going to change anything I get it is. I used to be like that too but now my life is different. Obviously it's fun comic coming. That's the first the top story eleven. Yeah I mean there. Are Things wrong with today's world. I will agree with that but I mean the story really I mean yes. It does touch on that but this guy is not the hero shaver before my pin. Yeah he's rains newbie. Yeah he's he's just a vigilante who for some reason start. Start seeing a demon after trying to commit suicide and now like the demon tells him you're still summarized summarized it very well. Yeah if you don't kill somebody for me every month that I'm going to take your soul. Because he miraculously survived suicide. which it's kind kind of funny how he does this rough? It's tied up like the cords or something right like the clotheslines. Yeah we didn't jump so that didn't help. The situation or thing of this story is one part death. Note One taxi driver. And just a dash talks walks like love to. Yeah well if we start seeing this demon that he doesn't believe is real and the end. I think the first or second issue pretty quickly that shows you. He's he's arguing with his demon but no one else can see it of course and he and he ends up breaking his arm or in his arm hurt or something was in shoulder. It's been like two weeks as I read this. Oh my memory's not as a snow patch definitely starts believing that steam is real then he anytime like he tells them to kill and that's his whole thing he doesn't WanNA WANNA kill but this demon like if you don't kill people I'm GonNa kill you because you owe me a life 'cause you spared yours. Yeah so that hands kill or be killed. Oh hold on are meeting halfway through the series but yes I just want to say that the story was so Ooh I mean even just in the beginning very depressing you you get into this character. Who Live with his roommate? Who's dating his friend? Who has a crush on and I think I forget what happened? That sets them up to having jump off the roof. Like what did she say. I can't remember her wording. Sit something that's what dinner. Something happened cares. Yeah I think essentially what it was. As they were all pity pitied him here through the vents. Yeah they were like getting it on or whatever and usually he'd have to listen to it and then this time they're like we feel pity for him and he's is like but she felt sorry for me. That's what did it so I don't know kill themselves. I mean I know a lot of people go through the situation. Having to live with someone else's into your roommate made banged the girl that you like or any over the prisoners that you like and and I wouldn't mess with someone's head. Yeah just one messed up situation nation. Just kind of hearkens back to being kind of like fight club Elissa Brad Pitt's character. What's his name? Tyler Durden MARLA. Yeah she won't she won't know the difference witnesses like that like she's on drugs sure sure she is. That's that's what it was. Yeah we're not going to kind of stick with whoa comics. We don't none of these are game comics but you know who were home. One thing I do yes go ahead Mike Okay. One thing I do want to say is that we haven't mentioned. Is that the first part that Stephan was reading takes place way later in the comic learns off with him seeing him killing people and he's he's already got the mask on he's already killer and then it reverts back and Tim Narrating story for a good chunk of the story about what happened. And he's like you're catching you're playing catch up. A majority of the of the comic is pretty much. Flashback everything leading up to a certain moment which is very noir direction they go for. It's not just reflected in the are just the entire story at fails kind of like you know. Yes I suppose you wondering how I ended ended up here well out mottaki seventeen issue seventeen fourteen. I caught up. It's supposed to record us like two weeks ago but due to scheduling conflicts to didn't happen just like I don't remember this book anymore but that's like any comic. If you're reading is when it came out I mean hell I would have forgotten. Each issue is some of these good month over month apart. It looks like which which is hilarious because he openly chastises people like. You probably forgot what happened but Casey just in case you did. Here's what happened last time. Isn't that feel like though last time on killer be killed Goku decided these more on a piece of demon thank you know. It's Kinda messed up. How he like finally decided to kill people? Because I like the whole demons there and he doesn't know if it's real or not and he starts feeling ill and he's like oh you know it's 'cause I'm dying because of the demon it's GonNa kill me and He remembers this terrible story about when he was younger. Because he's trying to find somebody that's worth killing like a bad person morning some explicit. The company did not mention so yeah and his friend. Teddy was was They were like little kids in there like playing around or whatever. Yeah it's so bad and Teddy Teddy turns to him. And he's like Dylan you want to Take off your pants awesome. We'll put our penises in each other's but holes and he's like why no and he's like well me and my brother do it all the time and he later realizes that Teddy Peddie he was being molested by bigger. Brother and Teddy's brother is the one who is like you know what I'm GonNa kill that guy and that's I mean it's just me. It doesn't take long before this book. This hits it hits a lot of sensitive you know sensitive stuff to talk about and it hit it hard and in a very just sparked up way. Let's say it's very fitting for the story though. Because in a way he he discusses it the very casual roundabout way but again especially with that openly open monologue setting type that opening monolog setting everything up. You know it's like yeah. This is the status quo. I'm used to it. They'll differences like but I'm actually do something about it in his own destructive fucked up way. Yeah exactly Kalihi. Because we all like. He's saying we all get angry about what's going on but we never like step up to do anything about it and you're right he does. He's like I'm going to kill this guy. Because he's he's a child molester. Things where like the guy deserved the guy deserved shot in the face later. He's even worse than what you thought. But it's just one of those things where it never even in the store. He doesn't work out too. Well where you're going from those but yeah it's like like what gives you the right which the thing does kind of touch on the detective. He runs into later. Flat out asked him that question multiple times like like seriously. What makes you think you have a right to be judge jury executioner and he doesn't really answer it initially yes to keep asking it over and over again as like a famous idea that I always think of? This is another fictional character. Batman like Batman can never kill joke even kill the joker he would stop it. You would end it all the Emerges v over. But then you're no better than the man. You are trying to stop the same idea. That's Brian that's all. I always feel about this actually. Why any type of even a real light and you have people think like this gentleman very many because really don't work out so well for that yeah and And it's weird to how it pans out because like the the girl that the detective that Kinda catches onto her name's lily sharp. He adds a good name and she's she's a character and The Teddy's brother other who eventually kills leads to the lily sharp looking deeper into that case and in to that guy and he they find out that he was part of a child sex ring. So he's doing all these bad he's going out and killing his bad people but it's leading to bigger things of cleaning up the world and it starts to make him feel like you know I am doing the right thing. Look what I did like. I caught the assholes in a child. Sex Ring I my my one complaint. I think well one of the few inside have about this story is sometimes especially I mean I guess it makes sense for majority of the earlier victim MHM statler earlier targets to have it. But there's there's quite a few times in the story where it feels like. Oh I need to kill somebody. Let me crack open a canon. Hannah makes it easy. Oh they're pedophile. Oh running outside point you said there's no there's no a there's no moral quandary hair. There's no ifs ands or buts very black and white but it does. It does eventually that gray scale with osas dealers. Name aim rex. Yes getting caught in the crossfire and He was a family man. You know I didn't. He didn't mean any harm kind kind of aware that it took as long as it did to get to that point but it did get there eventually and that all comes about because he ends up being stupid ends up killing some of the Russian mafia and Russia mafia doesn't take too kindly one of them being killed so yeah there's a very funny scene where he goes to. US Strip club because he knows it's run by the Russians and he waits 'til after they closed every night because they rally up the girls into a van and they go to this. What's called Where they farm out sex to people and their hookers at night legal room apartment building and Brian would be one word you might be looking for? Yeah and he's learning how to be vigilante because at first he's using his dad's gun and he's really he's realizing like this is not enough heat so it goes on by the Schalken Khan and he's he's ready to kill this huge Russian dude and he shoots them and then then the the hooker jumps out of the car and starts attacking him and he's like Jesus Christ I didn't know hookers can fight. This opens the door free. You're free and kicking his ass instead. Yeah it's a thing out it's very funny because I WANNA say a little longtime ago My friend who was a lady she worked out and she was in shape and she went to a strip club called Jaguars and She was like I'm going to They had this thing every Thursday night. Where you could fought box a stripper in a ring and people would throw money in there and he would get half of whatever they threw in there and while I was watching the fight people were throwing like hundred dollar bills in there? I mean it was a lot of money but the sad part was is that she was two feet taller than a stripper dipper. She worked out. She had huge puzzles and a stripper. Still beat her ass every single round like for three minutes. I can't imagine doing anything thing for three minutes. Let alone having to fight a stripper just hopped on the polls smug around Buchan kicked in the face nice story. I was expecting I I don't know if I should tell this story 'cause I I don't go to strip clubs but I was brought to one once for this weird reason war right stop asking questions all right I mean but it does touch on a lot a lot of subjects in this and me and I you might kind of feel for the character but I didn't Mike. I'm pretty quickly because I just don't like actors hockey was one Guinean. Pretty fucked up. Well I mean he he he makes no. It's not like he's wishy washy about it he. He's pretty open. The guy goes like no. I'm I'm really fucked up. There's something very wrong with me. I don't even know if this team in Israel all kind of a compulsion again every time it's it's it's really nice to see it the story every time he starts to feel like he's invincible or untouchable or like he's getting really really good at this. He's like yeah but it's not GonNa last it's lock it's now he's I don't know he just kind of has a sense. It's like it's like he jordy knows it's GonNa fall apart eventually one interesting. We had mentioned off like when when it does a few the flashbacks. It shows like he had a girlfriend before may what four years or five years before the story started life was a little better. I think he had a better job to. And then I've I just started to kind of go to hell which happens with some people are not doing good in school. I think it was and you're living in shitty apartments with an asshole astle roommate and then he's on medication that he's getting illegally from REX's drug dealer or they can't afford legit yeah No Health Insurance I. He even pointed out to. He's like right in the middle of a exchange of gunfire and he says something thing like. I never said anything cool right before doing anything. The only people who do that or assholes. I'm so and so and I'm awesome so watch out like anyone. Whatever say that real life out there but I don't yeah like it's I feel like this with this story it's trying it's trying to be very self conscious about all of the vigilante story tropes as just like yes I know I'm I'm fitting into the cliche rate now but trust me there's GonNa it's it's it's not gonNA stay that way? Yeah when fucked up assist or reached often over and over again to just keep weird shit just keeps happening and I really like I. I really enjoyed this story a lot. Plot just fucked up as good as I. I just couldn't stop reading. I'm like I'll read the news from kind of the next one but people are fun to read about. It's well written. And the and the and the artists good too. I'm not being Mark Sean. Dylan's fucking John Phillips. Kills it in this book people you you tell them. I said that if you ever feel like one thing I do WanNa touch on is at as the story progresses early on And it gets it gets even more screwed screwed up with everything going on with with his roommate's girlfriend Kira is also friend is at one roommate. Goes away or something and then they and then she kisses them already have very screwed up in the head. Very confused about what's going on and all of a sudden he's like what and I think if I remember credit doesn't she ignore him the next time like it never happened to the act like it never kissed her anything. She won't talk about him. Okay you think about that to a person. That's already suffering mental. I mean he's talking to a demon and he was already suffering this already killing people but he says mentally like the is very very having a hard time and seen and then you have this woman that Ah you know cares about very much so that he wants his unattainable all of a sudden start giving him attention in a way. That doesn't make sense. I mean even Mrs Moore which which networks that away right and then he he eventually does get better at it too. which is like the fucked up part? Because he's still has to kill somebody the every month because he keeps seeing the demon and it's it's kind of funny how the Russian start coming after it'll because he finally attacks the The courthouse and Later though yeah and he purposely leaves a note and a backpack on the top of the building. He's like I got three steps to my plan because he thinks if he takes out the main Russian mob guy at the boss that they'll stop coming after him. which apparently Elaine Russians? Don't do they'll come after you forever. But the reason why he does that is because I think he stopped killing for a little bit before this part because he we haven't seen this yet but what happens is He ends up going back after him in here or having their thing he ends up running into his girlfriend from years ago that I barely mentioned a little earlier in this episode. And he started dating her incur- he ends up with here. Because he's tired of this back-and-forth start sleeping together and she's still with her boyfriend. which again is screwed up in a Lotta ways that she's using both these guys won't end he had sex with her and then she goes in the bedroom with the other guy and has texted him too and he's listening to it and I mean that's stuff scenario uh-huh and they're gonna go into detail about her like you? Once you understand childhood and her growing up in a relationship thermometer it makes sense unfortunately like her her mother would change with the kind of like they call are kind of like chameleon. We're in different different relationships. She would change the fit the relationship. I wonder why she was a swinger in one relationship. She was a housewife. Or something I think is one of them. Yeah Yeah I mean she would change the fifth relationship so she was never heard off and Kira grew up with these different marriages that were happening and nothing everlasting not having having a stable type of house light losing their lake Winter like orgy is going on at her house to she was privy to or a I know that that part of curious childhood not specifically just the orgies but how all I know that could have been apparently the Curious relationship with her mother is taken from Ed Brubaker. Personal Life Home. I'm not. I'm not sure sure. How specific in terms of like her story isn't stuff? It might just be tenuous relationship but I did remember catching that one of his afterwards on one of the issues. Wow all in a couple of things. I want to mention before we get into the third act where we were heading with. The the Brothel House. two things one is saying he start dating his ex girlfriend that he runs in coincidence. And the other thing that affects that is also I like going with US Brian just boundaries. And I don't know okay. I'll go here and said so. He ends up dating. He ended up dating her. He finds out that he could. He finds a bunch of his dad's artwork. His Dad was an artist who drew a lot of really messed up. Drawings of sexy demons and stuff of that nature sad. Yeah I would. That's when he finds out that his dad also also drew pictures of the demon and it's like wait a second. My Dad's seeing this Stephen. I'm seeing this demon. I think he finds out that he had a half half brother who also saw demon and shot himself Asked when it starts clicking that there's no demon he has Owns his dad. Commit suicide to or no. Yeah Like I I think I think they they. It's keeps it pretty deliberate imbalanced on whether it's mental illness whether it's an actual Damon. I do think in the the bigger picture that Damon might be symbolic or some sort of metaphor from mental illness. That's what I feel like especially when you mean there's a couple of things that we'll talk about later and we gave the end hint at other him but it to me like at least in this part of the story midway through. I felt that it was mental illness and him using something to rationalize what he's doing and wanted to do. Yeah because we do that. I mean I I personally went through a bout of when I was in a very toxic relationship in a very bad place. You go through that thing whereas you don't you know if you're the wrong person in your life you can start questioning reality itself because you just get your your brain can get so messed up and mashed up. You don't know what's real which is kind of what he's going through. ooh He cares about this girl who's leading him on. I mean he's already kind of messed up but it doesn't help the situation situation and doesn't he find out to that life. His meds were something he didn't think they were taking him. Even though yeah and then he and then any starts to feel better or something or he feels worse used in low doses of volume instead of his anti psychotics or whatever he was supposed to be taking because rex. Rex fucked up the order. Yeah so he's he's all over the place and as mentally like he's he's going through shit and now he's killing people. Yeah Yeah I mean. That's also he ends up getting Kinda cocky and ends up killing people in public places where he shouldn't be trying to kill people which leads to him almost getting caught by the police a couple of times. Kinda okay with that. There's a there's a really funny moment that I always laugh out when I read this comic like almost three times now He he gets a cheap halloween masks of Nixon into a Halloween party with Kierra. And he's a I think a coffee shop they frequent or she works out or something and One of the Russians goes there and he's like hey. I'm looking for cures boyfriend. Dylan I used to be as old roommate in college and Dylan standing right there. He's like Oh really and they go to the car and Dylan just stabs him right in the neck in the inner dialogue to get says so anyway also we the fast forward. He ended up breaking up with his ex girlfriend from the past. We got back together with because she publishes his dad's artwork and art museum. I mean just very upset with Hopefully him start kind of coming to terms with what's going on realizing he doesn't have to kill. He stops killing for this team because he believes the demons is not real and then the Russian show up and you find out that they're figuring out who he is and again kind of changed the whole killer be kill kill the Russians. They're going to kill you. The Demon GonNa kill you type of thing I appreciate how I kinda like it shows does how this weird guy just vigil anti and how he gets lucky and like I was saying earlier with the Russians When he goes after them and tries to kill the main boss I mean he's successful does it and his plan is that he goes in? He shoots I think Angie's shoots a whorehouse. Says he leaves. He says where he's going to leave the bag thinking they think it says and he says where he's going next so they move of all their enforcers away from the main bosses house to protect all those four houses and then he's able to just simply walk in and kill which is great. I love that I love how simple it was for him to do. The that was cool and he also starts as we're kind of starting to say he he finally gets together with Kierra. She breaks up with her boyfriend and he finally accepts like they accept that they care about each other at least for a little while. I do WANNA be on that. It's a big journey for awesome and if admit that it's I guess can say one of the few tragedies of the story really in just that they never can quite be on the same page age at the same time because she she cares about him but she doesn't really. I have a hard time connecting committing Midein away like also another thing that we had mentioned yet is. She changed her hair color a couple times throughout this comic which is more symbolism as Jesse was saying before which I recording gene that she's kind of flipping through what's going on in her life savings when she's at her most depressed when she dies her hair. Blue Book is full of symbolism me. It's full of metaphor. I mean you know trying to Mocha different feelings out of you in not without. Yeah there's lots of things in this book it's worth three FBI. If I could say anything. Because I mean honestly especially in. Today's political climate like I'm kind of wary of Gilani Lanny Stories. You know there's plenty of assholes out there with guns who thank you know. Oh I'm GonNa do the right thing or I'm going to correct some justice I'm going to get back at those those girls who wouldn't have sex with me. I'm going to get back at those people from different group that I feel are ruining my country. You know this is the same Eh. The same to era. We're living in now where they think you know what I'm going to have. Bruce Willis Star in a remake. A death wish should have him go after thugs and hoods because again that that seems like really appropriate time to have doing that. Now will man Bruce. Weber's leg leg with this story. I feel like it doesn't really take itself seriously the way a lot of these stories tend to take themselves l.. Seriously it's very much aware of the absurdity of what's going on and how it's going down and the the best part for me on on a sleigh as it as much as all these stories could very easily fall into just being a straight up power trip or power with Dan. I had just as straight up being our fantasy. Were it's like oh I lost this bit of power and I need to reclaim it or I never had this power and I finally something something snapped I finally have the courage quote unquote air quotes. Whatever to take it back you know to take it It kind of has a very sober sobering ending where it's like you at the end of the day as much as I as as they hate life. They're still precious. Bits to it that I you know take for granted and I couldn't have with doing all of this vigilante work and what bray which is why like parts of it can appeal to people is just entertainment and like I was saying earlier when he stops Russian and he says so anyway like stuff like that it's pointing out certain is and it's it feels good to laugh because you know it's not taking itself L. seriously so you you feel okay to laugh with it. Even though there are very very dark elements to over two one button bumping the where the after he kills the Russian boss. I forgot about this. But I'm flipping through the pages why we're talking when it starts to go to AC three one thing I want to mention so when he starts dating Kira His roommate has the nerve to come up to him and say hey man we have some ground rules. You can't bring her over here. She broke up with him. He doesn't want to see her around and see her. Lean with him and and I liked him he gets and he's and he's always been very docile and then he gets like he's like you know what screw you you knew. I liked her. You didn't care you brought it over here you screwed right. Listen to Whoa screw you man like and liked that. I'm like I mean but it's very much like that. Seen in fight club where he just like finally beat the Shit Alands off in front of his boss. He's like bullshit. Were they going to believe that. I beat myself up or you. Hit Me The movie with a degree. It's the type of honesty and it didn't really have to involved him shooting or hitting or doing anything violent just by the end of the day. You're just you're just a fucking asshole you deliberately. You enjoy keeping me under your thumb you may not be willing to admit it to yourself. But that's what's going on here What actually doesn't he choke them? And then that's how he goes. Yes yeah let's talk some things that happened well one. We kinda mentioned he doesn't find out until issue fourteen after he killed the mob. Boss figure out the demons not real. He stopped seeing. You think even not really talk. I've seen the Demon and here then tells him that his brother also was having loosened before he killed himself and he and he describes the same thing that he saw a demon with horns or show demon and then in the last page of this issue. You hear it looks over and goes what what's wrong dylan. And her faces the demons face on her body. And that's when he starts choking her out and then chokes dylan or he attacks her or something of that nature. I don't I don't know he doesn't he doesn't show care out a roommate the roommate because the demons. Because he's he's getting ready to confess to secure a Okay the Demon Starts Antagonizing and then he's like oh by the way. Your roommates is listening through the door. And he's like the fuck and he opens his doors like you've been listening to us and he's like I thought I heard my name mentioned than like eventually like IOS back and forth between arguing with his roommate and arguing with the demon and then he starts attacked the demand and it turns out the demons. The roommate and scare it has to knock him out before he kills his remain the lamp right. Yeah Okay thank you Jesse is really should read this again and then he ended up going to a mental asylum. Yeah I mean. They still don't even know that he's killed that he's a vigilante. No one knows that Lee fasces at nobody. I believe so. There's a reason they don't believe him but I thought that was what he's sitting there and they're sitting in a group like anyone. You WanNa tell anything. I'm the vigilante. They're like No you're not and he's like why don't they believe in you start saying they're like vigilante just killed three people and you're in here. Oh yeah he has a copy cat I I was thinking for a second latest thing because he loosening this whole time and it was really somebody else at first and then it starts to kind of go into where this is killing not like organized crime but just regular drug dealers. Whoever he had the same type of smarts arts I'm trying to it's GonNa hurt shoes in quotations which you can't see me doing audio show that he thinks he's above because he's targeting the brain of the operation not idiots on the street Like the it's it's more or less of fighting the symptoms versus fighting the cause. The I feel like that was that was a really great element to the story. Because honestly the copycat is what the De de-facto I feel like vigilante. Vigilante story is and it's kind of like here's here's what what makes me different from the ones that you usually see these type tails I don't just kill. You know the random people who are caught up in the system you go after these people and they come from you know similar yet very different backgrounds like they're both from the suburbs you know they both had you know upbringing from a rather well to do family the the big Nick Deference Bay of course he was popular in school and you know military trained and everything else. That's right I totally forgot about all of that Era just kind of make it with the last eight issues said one day. Yeah and if it's that whole oh I guess what happens in real life where you do have people who are military train who and sometimes end up doing bad things. While there's zero have been military training like the one. I wish I could remember the guy's name but he was a sniper and a tower who had a mental illness who kept shooting people in power till someone went up and shot him. This is back in the sixties or something. I think yeah but I do not own the earlier cases of mental illness being something wrong because after he died he said please examined my I brain after you after you stop me. He wrote something like that when he was up in this hour and then when they kill them they had the brain is something was different. No embassy okay. Remember the name of this just so I could be more accurate with the actual truth crime story but it's a part of the conditioning winning especially for snipers I think like that one dude. They did a movie about with Bradley Cooper writing the his. The real person was called. Chris Kyle Mirror hiber. Yeah like they make them look like here on the movie but like it turns out. He was kind of a psychopath like he. Fortunately absolutely won't let you have to be order even though you're doing something for let's say a noble cause when you're doing it for me not doing it. I mean you're doing it for a cause. Let's say you know but you have to be able to be able to justify to yourself what you're doing. You have to be a certain kind of person. He ended annoyed game though. I didn't hurt if I remember right. He kept tally. which again I think is a normal day? Yeah even like aircraft. It's a military thing I think they hell. They even keep tally. And Lord of the ring bring in that case they're killing things that to them are monsters and quotations getting but I mean so much eating my friend I got a little less respect for him so yeah hot. Basically what we're saying is there are people who put pineapple on pizza and people can. That's all we're saying except there's Pine San Eyes and legs and noses in your plan up on pizza. I know something wrong with me on. We all got the right people here. See All the unless your financial has nose and eyes and ears and a little leaf popping out of his head looking at you like hi and whistles and come through. And he whistle. It's okay to eat at pineapple. You're fucking juxtaposition conversation. I know I made a Pittman Reference Picton so I was going with just I just just looking for something to eat right now so anyway back to killer be killed so when he's in the insane asylum her mental hospital and he finds out the vigilantes out there killing. There's a scene where his stupid roommate goes into his room. Finds a shotgun finds a maths and calling the police on him police again. Don't don't care because they just just shortly the after the pig kill the vigilante. That was running around that. Kill Kill the copycat. Sorry yes so. They don't get. Yeah so the the whole time. Mm Dylan's doing his thing. He's being vigilante with the Russians. And all that. Let's go back to lily sharp. She's a small town cop who gets promoted to detective and she comes in and she's the one who's following all this murderers and she's with these other two cops like like Jesse said it's very boondock doc saints. Because they're they're like obviously it was this and she's like I'm no you dumb asses like you don't know what you're talking about. And they they don't want to Belabor 'cause they think she's looking to be famous like they think she's just trying to be famous detective and you know she's she's a little girl I off so they're just like you know. Shut up. Just let us do our job. You're only had to look pretty and at the end of the day. She's the one who's actually really putting it together. And she even goes to Dylan after Dylan's roommate. Turns over the evidence she even goes to Dylan's mom's house where he got the gun for his I kill and she really starts putting it together to their and that's why she eventually goes to visit him in the mental asylum. which happens opens a little later? Because Dylan's there for quite a while and he's he's still can't like let go of what he's going through being a vigilante like one of the this really. Yeah that's really reminds me. Terminator two Sir Connor but one of the guards is groping a mental patient and dylan catches it. And he's he's like. Yeah now I gotTa kill this fucker. And he His plan is to 'cause they have like little recess times lines where they go out to the snow and he's like I'm going to push him out into the thin ice and hopefully he'll drown and one of the funny quotes. He says which I wrote down was it's super easy shadow. Someone when everyone thinks you're drugged out of your mind this whole idea. If you look like you belong somewhere and don't act suspicious people aren't GonNa notice you like to do personally like I didn't want you know if I go to. I want people to bother me. I just put headphones every no music playing there'd be nothing playing the headphone by the put. Your budget agenda's Walker homing. I wasn't paying attention to anybody and people talk to me like how can help you. Educate them keep walking. I couldn't hear him. I could hear him the whole time. It was just with my way of looking like I wasn't listening when I actually was listening. Everything going on around me. I just wanted to look oblivious but but what you're really doing is you're whistling amazing grace right sure I was more painful but it is. It is amazing. The Shit people talk about you when you think you can't hear them as well you've been plenty of times at my ear. BUDD said music was super low but I could hear people saying stuff and it's like Oh that's very interesting good to know like oh it's like. Yeah Yeah everything everything you were saying. Thank you but he does finally kill that stupid orderly to the lake thing fails but he pushed down the stairs Eh heiresses. They don't really kill you as easily as they make it. Look in the movies. Rarely really do you actually snap your neck stops on his neck and breaks certain rate. Messed up comedy. I was like what the hell happened me reached up. The order did make deserve now before we get to the last little bit of this because we're pretty much near the end and I actually do have a funny story about how I came across this comic since Mike brought it up I had originally wanted to buy this in the comic shop and at the time I was I was like super broke. I was like whatever I'll get later in trade paperback and I went to my Record store and they have a little comic section. Where they'll anyone on whatever comics they get? They'll just put out a dollar and literally. I WANNA say issues Ford through sixteen were there for dollar and I was like Oh my God I had store credit. I just grabbed all of them and turns out. I was five minutes late because five minutes before that some guy came in and got issues gone through five or one through four whatever and I was like you son of a bitch. Yeah so I ended up having to buy all those Later and they were like five bucks each comic shop but it was totally worth a but like I got really lucky with this comic because it came to me cheap when I when every issue is usually like three ninety nine I think so. I got lucky. Cool story though. Also how it came to you in a weird eared fashionably. Not In a way that you would expect it right and even one of them was a variant cover. And you know I just and I remember the guy was like I'm GonNa key like he came back later when I was still like looking for all of them so I actually had to kind of race through the comics. Like grab them before he did. And he's already got issues. Went through four-man. I'm going to get the wrestling. No you're not shirt. Move like okay. I used to collect comics and I used to half price books and I go through the bins and looking for stuff often. I would see people have stuff that I may be interested. I had stuff but we in cock jewelry and go. Hey man already got those. I deserve though like you didn't grab your heating Graham uh-huh wait do yeah. And he was like some. I mean this is nothing against snowslide against Eminem but he was like some eminem looking dude and as just like no. How did you don't deserve this comic idea? I've had instances like I used to have a buddy of mine I would hang out with and we go comic shopping like he made it to try to get the stuff that I wanted before me. Yeah we stopped doing afternoon. When I started that craft started? Okay we're done. He first appearances in key issues so if he followed me for I did he already owned the book he would buy it again just because he made it a constitution. I'm like it's not as works or yeah I mean I still talk to them but it was just. I wasn't in the best place mentally either at that time. Like right before that I was taking more okay but you know I got hired at Nice Dot Com. Because I didn't like that. Yeah Oh speaking of mentally to I mean. I don't know if you guys I don't know if anyone cares to hear this but when I was eighteen I actually Had A bad split with my dad where I didn't WanNa live with him but my mom had don on drugs and so I kinda had to live with them and Is Very depressing time. 'cause my dad's kind of selfish person and when I turned eighteen in the week I turned eighteen. I had left his house after we got into an argument and I went to go live with my grandma who kind of lived in the semi Keto. Oh and It was weird. It was weird being there because she would go to work at night and my uncle who has lived with her for twenty years because he's a drug addict he would smoke meth. So then I would just be sitting there smelling it all night in my room playing a game cube and After a while started to be me down and at that time I I was able to get free health insurance through access which here in Arizona which is what it's called and I was taking like four client append a day just to like adjust adjust and like be normal and by body it was like falling to pieces because like I know I know some people need medication to like function and I I understand that but like me. I don't like taking pills and I don't like any of that stuff. But at that time I was taking like so many drugs that like when I read read this and I read. How like doped up? He has like man. That was me at one point and like I know that feeling of feeling like invisible. You know because you're just so doped up and yeah not able to handle the world around you and everything is just I mean and then also kind of touches on the whole subject of this book of a character actor who just can't handle life ends of doing something very extreme To deal with just guitar and things happened I mean I. I went through some dark places in my life. But you know when you come out of it you come out stronger cases. That's exactly right so I'm bringing raining. It makes you grow. I mean the same thing as the book. The care grows doesn't grow the best places but it's the same idea like in real life you know people usually grow and we learned to deal with it and adapt opted becomes a part of US exactly and and you know they still haven't caught me for all those vigilant team members going to ingest comic books. Yeah man complex saved my life people but anyway yes Jesse. Do you WANNA take us into the third IRK me. We didn't get anywhere. So why don't you where you leave off. I think active ends visiting in a mental institution when she was mental juvenile that last last tuition essentially. Yeah Yeah so you Willie visits Dylan and Basically lays out that she's figured out his entire game and he has an opportunity to to walk walkaway still because he knows at the end of the day. She doesn't have enough evidence to stack and he knows that the task force that she was a part of has closed the case. They don't really they want to open this can of worms because they've already been humiliated to this whole debacle of trying to catch him in the first place so they just they just really want that win and and He basically like she she strikes nerve when she brings up wrecks and he kind of just starts spilling his guts on that and tell body feels about it and then the power goes out and it turns out the Russians they forced Shah. They already like set. Set this up before she even enters the building. The Russians are on their way and their their plan is to basically ambushed the building find Dylan and kill him. Ah We didn't completely mention. He accidentally killed REX's drug dealer early on when he's fighting a Russian which you didn't completely say so yeah I think we pretty shuttle which also leads lily sharp to believe that there were two different vigilantes instead of one because the first the second second vigil anti the copycat one just just mindlessly killing whereas Dylan. When rex was shot he tried to drop them off at the hospital which seemed out of character? So that's that's another reason what's led leads her to the cops try writing it off as like it's just a smokescreen. She's like but he was clearly asking for help for this person You know it's a smokescreen strange sharp. Yeah I do like it when you read through at the Mafia just going through the hospital has taken everybody out and then him and lily worked together and he has a gun and they just start they just take out there taking off Mafia. That way like you'll get a gun. I I got more than you do like. I'll do shot anybody yet. No and then of course she gets her opportunity to shoot someone. Five minutes slater yeah. She's wish her. I forgot about that. Yeah I mean you're working have have anyway They so so he ends up killing someone shooting someone else and getting a gun for Lily. Okay and then she ends up shooting somebody and saving him and they find a pass a key card on the his therapist who who got shot and he The end up escaping out of the hospital and there in the parking lot. And he's like I forgot that they'd have one Russian waiting in the parking lot and the dude goes to shoot and he throws his body across lowly and ends up taking a bullet for and then she no I think he. He's the one who finished the rush He ended up killing the Russian and then he succumbs to his wounds in the parking lot well L. in one thousand nine says and that is where I died. I'm like what they're still one more issue definitely engine the final issue. It shows Her calling for help. She's trying to get help. And then it shows them waking up in a hospital room. I'm like okay. This is interesting and then the whole last issue shows him and Kira get back together because you know machine too much even the mental hospital and then he's worked for Lilly and he takes down a crooked cop up and incubator again apartment together. Dan Math rensselaer. La that what he does okay even though she was never really sold on it in the first first place in the Journal for some reason yeah he he basically it turns into the ending of Boondock Saints. We're essentially they got the police condone what I do now and as long as I keep changing my uniform everything is great and you can already sense that this is not the actual ending ending. Because it's just way there's there's too many logistical holes. Here that the story would not forgive it some live And then you find find out like no I just died. That's what would have happened. I'm like what it ends era talking to her psychologist. And she has the Blue Lou hair again and talking to lily talking to lily inches and it shows her getting hit on by a bunch of idiots. Because what happened. Fortunately you know what would they go through the very last scene. The demon is right behind her and bad I wonder yes it just leaves it a little ambiguous bigamous. As when it's saying you can see it festering in growing in the way she's talking about things 'cause I he's just lamenting for and she has a lot of sympathy for him in Geez. I just wish he would have opened up to me and talk to me. I could have helped him and then she starts going into the state of the world and then she's like this world took He was already broken person to begin with but this world took what was laughed and grounded the sand and then all of a sudden you start to recognize. The train of thought she's going on on demon comes into play. Yeah it's messed up. I mean it hit me. I'm like Oh but it's just it's just one upcoming. That's yeah I think that Ed Brubaker. I mean I started reading his work and daredevil level and one of the things you know like people always say it's hard to get into comics and Mike are you talking about. It's not that hard and one of the reasons is because that what a writer gets on a book like let's say Brian Michael Bennis daredevil. I think it was him before Brubaker. But he wrote a story it ends and then another writer comes on starts up another story. But in Brubaker case he said now I'm just going to continue the story that bend us was doing so he just kept writing it and it was a great story. And that was my actual first encounter with Ed Brubaker. And ever since then everything I've read by him has been phenomenal. I mean he's just an amazing writer. He's very he's very stuck in. Nor yeah that's the thing he loves the most. So if you like go to image comics and you check out his work you're just gonNA find a lot of newer stuff but you'll always have Sean Phillips adults are which is Great. I think you guys like it right. I did. I loved it and I like I said earlier. It's very fitting to the to the newer style. Al Kinda reminds me of the comic art from Max Payne Abed actually took over my Max Payne two in a little ways. Not You talk talk about it but a little more justified in my opinion. But if mack tablet was I was a little more positive about life at say I I want to go back to play Max Payne again ADMIRE HEAD DO I. Don't think I really want to. They both took painkillers to uh-huh and then next thing. You want a super fucking if I remember correctly all right. Nothing about maxine I enjoyed it. It hit me and a few parts and it made me remember things about my own personal life and kind of touching on this and I thought that was powerful idea the book that it did Kinda connect with me least in the sense of ever someone being very troubled. Twenty eight years old in your at that time your life where you know. You're no longer a child you're still you're an adult but you're getting near thirty new. Look life where am I what am I doing with my life and I think that's also kind of an interesting take on his character to that. He's you know you're at that point in your life when you're very very confusing for some people are right. I the the sorry. Go ahead van. It's all right I was GONNA say he's at that point. Essentially now your early thirties or your late twenties early thirties. Where you're just now saddling into being an adult and you realize it finally fully completely saying said I'm an adult and I still have no fucking clue what I'm doing right? I can say personally like when I was twenty seven and I mean my wife was not good at that point like I was in a very dark place like I understand that you know. It's like I ain't going into killing freeze or anything. I just bought comets. I I I thought that was interesting. I think a lot of people could probably relate with his character releasing the in in that besides killing part but just the fact that you have someone someone who is down on their luck feels like you know the girl that you want with someone else that doesn't asshole. They shouldn't be with them but they are. And this whole idea of everything not like. You don't have the job you should have or you don't have the life that you feel. You deserve 'em you appointing. We're still learning and and moving on. I thought that was very interesting. Kind of yeah and and the overruled thoughts of it to like like I mentioned in the beginning like how corrupt society has become and how it feels like the bad guys always get away with with a you know and the good guys are always never getting nothing out of it and you know our whole systems just like falling down like healthcare is not good for anyone and you know everyone just seems like they're on the edge of life you know like they're living paycheck to paycheck and they never get ahead noth- nothing ever gets better just gets it's worse than it does a lot of that like that's why I wanted to read the monologue in the beginning there because it's just he just nails it so much in so many ways that you know a lot of politicians stay there. They are greedy and you know they are corrupt and we are destroying the planet you know and just just everything everything he says I I completely agree with but then again some of it. I mean obviously the killing. It's very counterculture. Like oh I'm GonNa make a difference by taking up. These people like Jesse was saying earlier. So that's the joker thank you. Yeah like chaos rules. You know that you can't have that. But everything else he said like I kind of get it in a though. I don't know I sure we go to booker box. Yeah I think so. Okay I This is going on the show. Why ever read it again? Probably not no. But it's something I will definitely be recommending to people like even if you listen to this episode. Am I am. Yes we spoil the Andy we spoil the store. You could still read still enjoy it. Still going to see things CD art that we can't we can try to do so. Well so definitely definitely read it. I will definitely be telling you about this. I'll be trying to recommend people that. Don't like superhero stories. I don't WanNa read about Batman the joker and want something more realistic take but not really that realistic something more down. Something with a more normal character doesn't have hours. That isn't the punisher and I'm going to go on the shelf I'll be in Something that I'm I'm glad to say that I read. Just how about you a definitely a shelf I'M GONNA have to see if I can track. Crackdown like an omnibus or whatever. The has like everything all together in one book it should be. I know collect dishes so far just for its issues for four collections. Right okay that that makes me Bush not yet. Yeah but it's all good And also I will say on the nature of spoilers. There's huge swath of this story we. We haven't even really touched John. It's better to just kind of experienced it at the same time. I'm really glad that the story is all out and complete because as much as I as I really enjoyed Loyd it I think I'd also probably have a hard time going issue by issue week to week like it's one of those things where it's better just to read everything Lamia Awful the whole thing as I couldn't stop reading it. I mean it's something that is like you said it's meant to be read in a in a in a more sit down time not wait months. Of course two years or anything. Yeah and I had It it took me a while to get through just because especially if my conditions and life like I it's the type of story that Kinda demands that you pay attention and sometimes it's you're so broke you can't even pay that so we'll have to blow it. It's a tough. It's tough read at time. Just everything is happening to this character character. In your opinion how your life is you can hit you. Yeah definitely resonated with me. I mean I've been institutionalized before I've been drugged before I definitely have my own mental issues. I but at least you haven't killed anybody before so you know we're okay oh but anyway But now like as speaking of someone who's dealt with some of the Shit that Dallas done on with demon notwithstanding homicide and all that that's good. I don't think there's anything that will be exceptionally triggering that you have to worry about again. Just because of the fact. That story doesn't really take itself serious enough for to really warrant that but I just I don't know I I I I have to recommend it just on the principle alone of. It's it's one of the first vigilante stories. I've read in a long time where it felt you know like it actually has a justified place in existing. And it's it's not just the same thing rehashed and something that I could see some angry white boy misinterpreting and been you know by the joker now being being co opted in everything the joker is right. Yeh those people It's it's it's just a it's a great world to immerse yourself in which I know is sounds weird especially at this talking fucked up. The story is but it's it's yeah it's it's fiction it's a it's a good thing it will make you think it'll make really make you think about the state of things and and I wish I wish it provided some some guidance towards wet an answer to all the problems would be. It doesn't but I guess that's that's this kind of our responsibility at this point. Yes Stephan how about you. It's pretty obvious going on my shelf. Well I promise one of these days. I'm going to pick something that I don't know anything about when we comics. I'm just GONNA go and blind and we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA see. Ah Yeah Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's going to pick some weird shit and You know it just when I got this I got like I said earlier. I got it at the right time. I got it in a good way and I literally I went by. I went and bought a bottle of whiskey and mix it with coke and sat on my patio and read through the whole thing in one night. Because I just couldn't stop and I knew I knew ars GonNa love it and by the end of it. I was obviously really drunk but I also was like this is amazing like this is one of my favorite time and when Mike Ass you know what's the next thing you want to do on the show like well. Gee I don't know you know recommendation. He's like no. I don't like those recommendation. We're GONNA do this. I was like fuck that now. I'm just getting more Batman. I'm trying I'm trying to do like not obvious things and also like things. That aren't just Batman and fricking. You Know Spiderman or something. Yeah interested in Amanda talked. It's about a lot by the way I read the mock. Oh Man but I'm not sure I'm GONNA like it. Dan Me you guys really coast. That was that was good each other. It's fun I'm not having fun unless Mike's not having any fun at all Yeah yeah derail rich but no. I love this comic. And like I said I love Ed. Brubaker Sean Phillips has become quickly become one of my favorite artists of wall time. I think I think people forget that comic books There can be a writer but half the story is being told by the art and Sean Phillips knows exactly what he's doing he's Super Professional. I think he's British but he's just he's got it and I appreciate his art a lot and yeah got it on my shelf. That's about what I expected for all of us to say so completely what complete. I'm trying to say and he lasted. You WanNa say about this book. Should we start wrapping it up. Yeah all right well I I WANNA thank you coming on board for us because I did not want to do another two man comedy episode. So thank you for having us do that. God okay wait. I have one more thing I want to say I before I had picked killer. There's a little behind the scenes before I had picked killer be killed. I was GONNA pick a child's play comic book because Dining Jesse is coming on. We're both in the horror or you know and I just thought if you hate me that much I'm Michael and I don't remember which issue it is but it's literally I read the first dishes. I issue of some child's Blake Collins Book and it's literally him ebbing made together and then he hangs out with a Hippie for like twenty pages and I was like no. We're not reading this. Sorry you guys didn't get that. Yeah it is so bizarre but It please go read killer be killed instead. Don't don't Casilda I got all right so I wanNA thank you. Everyone for listening. I mean this is are you can find we. We don't come saw but once a month we do some stuff you like twenty some more episode you listen to her many different episodes at this point we listen to it. We keep publishing more stuff every every week. Just keep publishing more more so please recommend us to your friend recommend us. Anyone held tell the world you drove the show. When you get the more you know and also leaves five? Leaves Five Star reviews on. I tunes a follow up on based facebook instagram or twitter. And our intro ultra music is came courtesy. We're came from Bobby Aka Mike Stony from his coppee bite the bullet if the cool kids squad. It'll be a link in the show notes first youtube channels. I want to thank everyone for listening. And we will come back to you with another comic so so next month by everybody.

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Out of My Mind

One Great Book

09:07 min | 2 years ago

Out of My Mind

"One great book volume one book, five out of my mind. He readers. I'm am Bogle. And you're listening to one great book where each week, I pull one standout selection off my personal bookshelves and tell you all about it. One great book is sponsored by Libro FM. Audiobooks April twenty-seventh is independent books were day. A chance for you to celebrate. What makes your independent bookstore special with Libro FM? You can celebrate. And support your independent bookstore every day when you sign up for a Libro FM account use elect the bookstore you want to purchase from and then they get credit for all of your audio book purchases sign up. Choose your store and start listening one great book listeners can get three audiobooks for the price of one. When you sign up for membership Goto, Libro dot F M and enter the code great book. That's Libro dot F M L I B R, O dot F M and enter the code great book. Libro FM. Listen local. Readers in the first four episodes of one great book, we've covered forgive the bookish pun there. Three literary novels and one essay collection that feels right at home among them style. Wise today, I want to tell you about out of my mind, a middle grade novel by Kereta, Scott winning author Sharon Draper, and I want to begin by assuring you that. Yes. These books belong together on the same bookshelf for the same reader. These are things I know about my reading life. I enjoy stories told from unexpected angles. I love getting behind the scenes whether that's learning how things are made. Or how someone experiences the world. I love stories that helped me experience the world for someone else's eyes. And I always love a good story. Well told and I never went to miss out on a good read because it happens to be in the quote unquote wrong section of the bookstore or the library categorized in such a way that I don't immediately think I am the target audience or the right reader. But if I'm not careful. I can miss out on some great rates that way, and that would be a real shame. Because out of my mind is one great book. Out of my mind introduces us the readers to ten year old melody Brooks. She's a girl who longs to be like everybody else in her class. She wants to play with friends and feel accepted by them and do all that normal kid stuff, but melodies life isn't what her classmates consider normal. Not at all she's confined to a wheelchair because she can't walk. She's in fifth grade. But she's never spoken one single word. She has no way to tell you what she's thinking to our fellow students and honestly to many of the adults in her life as well. Melody is defined by one thing that she has cerebral palsy. But Draper, takes you inside melodies head to understand things from her point of you. And what a view it is melody is incredibly bright. She saw a PBS special on genius once and she has a lot in common with those kids. She remembers everything she sees or that she reads her memory is near photographic. But nobody knows because she's trapped in her uncooperative body. She can't tell her teachers enough with the preschool lessons already. She wants to learn something. She can't tell anyone when she is really craving a Big Mac or vanilla milkshake. She can't tell her parents that she loves them and her life is full of small indignities like well in Melody's words, going to the bathroom at school, just plain. Socks. But then melody discover something that gives her voice for the first time things changed for melody and quickly. Suddenly, she can't tell her parents. She loves them. She can finally make a friend. She can get that Big Mac and the secret that she never wanted to keep is out. And everyone finally knows. She's the smartest kid in school. She makes the quiz bowl team. And they rack up win after win. Once melody is on the team. Anyone who's read yell Konigsberg? The view from Saturday knows that these quiz bowl competitions. Make for seriously exciting reading, I am not getting melody has a lot of hardship in her life. But Draper, really does not want. Anybody to feel sorry for melody melody herself would be highly irritated to find that you did that is not the point at the book. No Draper, whose own child has a disability wanted to make melody and unforgettable character. Not when you had pity, but a character you can cheer for melody spunky. She's determined. She's funny. She has a joy on the page. But that doesn't mean things don't go badly wrong for her before the puck is over outta my mind is a terrific read for readers all across the age, spectrum kids will relate more to melody, of course, as an adult reader, I appreciated the wonderful adults in this book. Melodies parents are gems Melody's mom completely demolishes clueless up because of the way they treat melody on more than one occasion, an islet those scenes were so good. I Ready's one more than once I especially love MRs v melodies next door neighbor. Mrs violet Valencia MRs v is melodies sometime caretaker and all the time cheerleader. She sees potential in melody potential. Nobody else sees except her parents. She has zero sympathy for melody and melody loves her for it, and you will too if you read this book and don't wish at some point that you had a MRs v in your life. I will eat my copy or something similarly drastic melody with love that I highly recommend outta my mind for readers of all ages. Especially those who enjoyed CC bells graphic novel L deaf. Oh, and Kimberly brubaker, Bradley's pants habits novel the war that saved my life because I think wore one era, Susan and melodies contemporary neighbor. Mrs v are definitely kindred spirits. I should probably throw in wonder here. Of course, read out of my mind, if you enjoyed RJ Palacios five million copies sold blockbuster Draper says that out of my mind is a book that speaks for those who cannot speak, and that should remind us of the humanity and us all it's a story about finding your voice one that will make you laugh and make you cry. The more laughter than tears. I promise it's a story about facing hard things and also about overcoming them. It's a story about how the people around us can make us more ourselves. And also about how they let us down in short. If you enjoy a good story. Make that if you enjoy a feel good story. Well, told that takes you places you've never been and never could go. But for the power of literature out of my mind may be the next great book your looking for. Leader's visit modern MRs Darcy dot com slash one. Great book to learn more about Atta my mind, and all of the great books in this volume. You can enjoy outta my mind and thousands of other great books on Libro FM the audiobook app that lets you buy directly from your favorite independent bookstore. Give them a visit at Libro dot F. M that's L IB R, O dot F F readers. The book is news and happenings. Keep coming even when I'm away from my mic. That's why each week. I sent an Email covering the latest episode of one great book, and what should I read next fund rates on books and reading and a nut small number of lists. And if you weeks scrubbers will also get my twenty nineteen seven reading get yourself on this list by going to what should I read next podcast dot com slash newsletter. Thanks to Kelly Pekka check for his design on today's episode. Share your thoughts on today's woke any book with me on Twitter at and vocal. That is an with an e v isn't books. G E L or on Instagram. Find me there at in vocal. And at what should I read next hour patriot backers starting at three dollar paperback level all get one extra episode of one great book every time we release an episode tear regular podcast feed into days patriot only bonus episode. I'm talking about a forthcoming historical novel. I love so much. I put it in the summer reading guide. Get more info in our community there and access to that special episode at patriotic dot com slash what should I read next and make sure you check out our sister show. What should I read next? That's our lawn format show where each week a reader tells me three books they love one book. They don't and what they're reading now, and I recommend three titles for their TB our readers, that's it for this episode. Thanks so much for listening, and as Reina Maria Roka said how good it is to be among people who are reading happy reading everyone.

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Rethinking The Draft

Cheap Heat

1:02:30 hr | 4 months ago

Rethinking The Draft

"Ladies and gentlemen before we get into cheap, let's talk about that fantasy focus podcast may be trying to know everything going on a fantasy you're trying to win your fantasy leagues. So what do you do you listen to fantasy focus you this is one of the biggest podcast in the world subscribe wherever you find ESPN podcast shouts to the fantasy focus podcast enjoy. Mitch? MA-MA. Male. Mama. Management Mama. Mama. Ma. Mama. Mama. I'm. Oh. Real. Sweet Sweet Peter Rose and Strategy. Chicken. It's professional. Wrestling Ladies and gentlemen welcomed the world's number one sports and recreation. PODCAST CHEAP E. WE record this on today on the. Thursday afternoon. Nice afternoon here in New York, I'm guessing Nice afternoon in the physically large city of Philadelphia as she g how are you? I'm doing great. Yes it's. It's wonderful here Philadelphia this afternoon. I like that shirt. You haven't seen the shirt I don't think I have. Johnson bootleg with hieroglyphics hat and the Celtics Jersey. I like it. It's Kind of. Like It the way shots of the my page, the ultimate wrestling merchant hope everyone's following the law actually posting a lot of content on there including today. I was on I g stories on the ultimate wrestling March as she gee, I found into A. I ran into I should say. A. Mini. Trove. Of Original Greg divergence shirts. I. Saw that I saw I saw. Monday night. Rosenberg. To found to Monday night Rosenberg about eight virgins one uptown Malcolm which is mine because I was the Dow is doing what I can find. And I actually I think one of them's for dip because he doesn't have one I found two of like the. You know the cartoon Face Chee E. So right behind you right over your shoulder. Just like the one if you were watching on Zoom what you're not privates, but still you get the idea. Yes so I found I found a stash of. Of cheap e shirts or I'll say this, I received a DM on the ultimate wrestling merch from someone trying to get one of the virgins and someone trying to get one of the the the money that Rosenberg's. I have to go back and look at the actual sizes and write down what I have. But if you WANNA email at Rosenberg, beats at dot. com. If you're trying to get. I, think it was A. Medium Money Rosenberg an an an X. L. Monday night Rosenberg I. Think I gotTa Look. and then if or if you're trying to get the virgins. I have probably a total of about ten shirts. So Rosenberg beats at gmail.com, but let me just say. As someone WHO's in the vintage game hard Nothing, like finding a stash of dead stock I mean, these don't exist anymore and their brand new they're not. They're not going back is not gonNa be, oh, these are, and this is the original still folded up the way they were originally given to me from the distributor. So that was exciting and also I want to mention that we get a couple of plugs out of the way. Relaunched my Rosenberg. Radio PODCASTS I don't know exactly why Maybe it's out of boredom maybe it's a general sickness your something wrong with me that I still have more words to. Pump out of me. But it feels like during this time, there's so much going on in the world and I don't necessarily many platforms as I have I. Don't think I. Have the platforms to pontificate on some of the things going on. Right. On on ESPN, I can't do it. and on hot can sort of do it but I can only make it so far without Ebro interrupting me because it's his show. So. I I I need I need I need a space a safe space as she g if you will. If you will actually I actually have you come on at one of these days so we can talk sort of. Comfortably about the state of the world. oh. Yeah. Happily I gladly I. Know You have things to say as well. So, at Rosenberg Radio Sorry. It's Rosenberg radio is the name of the podcast. So wherever you listen to cheat whether it's on spotify on the PODCAST APP you can search for Rosenberg Radio and subscribe to that and listen as well on that would be really really dope. I'm still up on the cameo at Rosenberg radio shots to everyone reach out on their what are the plugs that I have as she g I. Think that's all right now. I think that's all. That's it. That's it, and by the way I am going to sell some stuff on the ultimate wrestling merch page like today I ran into. Some are too old rock jerseys. That I had a blue one and hockey giant black and blue and a black and red. anti-fouling, almost, a dead stock shirt maybe it's been worn once but actually has she g you might want this joint it's s g size I believe it's two X and at says and it's finally the Rock has come back to New York shirt. Oh you. WanNa go and why do you have to ex- I don't ask me some of the stuff I have in the storage is like. There was a time when I was just grabbing up. I think people were giving me vintage stuff. A lot of that rock stuff was stuff people were gifting me. And I appreciate that by the way anyone who gifted me sweet vintage stuff I'm super appreciative of but Yeah. So I I have some stuff that's just been sitting around and some of it's too big. I'm not gonNA, wear it and it's not me. Although I will tell you. I came by event I'M NOT GONNA post this on my ultimate wrestling merch vintage page because I'm not trying to really let people know that like this is Kinda the the the waters I'm swimming and right now i. only tell the people close in considered the audience close to. Family is family but I've been getting some of the newer vintage stuff that think is on the verge of becoming classic that needs to get got from the early two thousands. y'All I came up on a Booker T. shirt. It's hard to picture a quintessential Booker T. shirt. Yeah. Is it a king book or is it like a Booker T.? Booker T. I don't even there was a King Booker Shirt they shut off should have been a chromebook. Pitch. But I feel like I don't know. But it's it's it's this one. The Booker T. is like the silhouette of him of doing this. It's like A. Five time five time it's a silhouette, it's almost like It's almost like I know this shirt, it's almost like an Obama type shirt where it's like it's like a color silhouette of him doing looking at his hand for the five time five time. and on the back, it just says, can you dig it sucks and on the front by the way, the the silhouette is a major league baseball type box. It's like that y'all I found I found it for nine ninety nine. Because people are still not really going after hard to the early two thousands yet. So you can find gem I mean it took a random search for me to find this one. Don't get me wrong but. And I'm looking constantly, but it was. Still Two thousand two that's pretty classic. Out into is still pretty. Classic. That's when he's getting that run to. Right he's about to. The issue about the machine Wilson's right around the corner couple years away. So it's very early for book anyways I'm GonNa throw some stuff up my ultimate wrestling merged for sale to on because I I can't completely pack my house and I've been a little bit crazy. But as she you what's going on outside the ring in Professional A see how the Johnston who discussed that. The ring, it's been reported that first reported by might call to on temporary. Oh, show that John Cena was married. On October twelfth. So seena. is now off the market officially. Married his girlfriend. Sharia today I hope I pronounced that right? You got some split into now I know I have I have a problem if I didn't get that right but A. Congratulations to John's scene, it's also being reported that he's the new voice of Honda. That'd that's a big bag. That's What she would have told me I was in the market for a vehicle. You see right something could have been one over. So you one day. It will never happen. But what thirty thirty? What a thirty for thirty? About what the hell was going on with John Cena. Nikki Bella. Will never happen if it hasn't hasn't put on total bell is not happening right? Exactly and it wasn't like whatever really happened I don't think ever was on TV. So obviously, it's private, but he didn't even say his name the season after the break-up, he instantly became my ex. Really, Mike. Didn't even mention him. At. All. He just became my ex. Yeah. I'll tell you man. It's Because they went from, she was so in love they had them the proposal finally happened on ww TV? To. Maybe the all time fastest break up both in new relationships one with baby one married. It was just about as fast as you'll ever see. Both married she married did she get married to? Engaged actually. I can't remember if she got married or they just had the kid but. She's definitely engaged though and it wasn't really one of those things where it's like. Well, it wasn't really that fast. It's that we all found out later. No everyone was living at basically in real time. Yeah. So I guess I guess they were both at a stage where they were ready to take a step but for some reason, not with each other. Because they? They moved on. So. Excited for figuring that out though who want point as she g because obviously, that allows that obviously, it wasn't. It. Wasn't the out that at the wrong time than it's just a whole different set of problems come with. Yes. It's true. So I mean obviously whatever reasons that seriously unbeknownst to us it wasn't supposed to be and but it is interesting that when I saw that he got married to I was like, wow, damn. That was all. All in the period of what like I guess two years this maybe a little more than two years. Between the engagements off and there's There's a child in the world, the the he'll. Kisa. anyways All right. What else going on Arm Sarah Roberts reported he said announced his can't report on yourself. He announced I. Guess I should say that he's going to the WWE network. The Not Sam wrestling. He clarified it's not the PODCASTS that the podcast still gonNA run separately from this about. The Patriots Still GonNa run separate from that but that he will also have a show. On the WWE network coming this month I think is coming in about two weeks. October twenty second I believe is the day that was announced by Sam Roberts wwe network debut Y- I. Saw I saw his announcement earlier today. And we him and I talked a long time ago about the fact, he was completely capable like given the studio he has. He is fully like Sam Studio. Is a fully operational studio. Have you been in the studio only seen videos or pictures? It looks it looks H it's it's exactly what it looks like. It's like Wayne's World Yo. It's his basement and it's a really. It's a really pretty legit TV studio. Like I don't see what? I don't really see what would be missing from it how it would gain anything to be like I. Don't know what would be missing from. Yes I'm sure there are better cameras that exist etc. Things like that for a TV network, but besides pretty great with. The layout like it looks pretty fire like you really built A. Rapper Studio. It was one of those moments when I saw and I was like damn, house life These are options you have. I mean I guess you could do it in a Manhattan apartment if you had a really gigantic apartment. If you have the full floor joints when you could be like, Oh, I'm going to the the West Wing. If you had, if you had I need, I would need a I want to my dream to one day. Not Dream my go. A goal of mine is to buy the apartment next door and have both into one big apartment. Knock, down the wall. Yeah. Not this wall that's actually right now, I believe is their living room. Okay and then there's a bedroom on the other side. So like it's far like the other bedroom would be far from where I am right now it's like it was a ways down there that if I did that, then maybe I can take a room my current bedroom and turn it into a full fledged working studio but still a major sacrifice given the amount of space you have. But. You wouldn't. You wouldn't. You wouldn't you take their bedroom and make it into the full already got this setup, right? So you knocked down that wall in totally new space. So wouldn't before you even get attached to that space? Would you just turn their bedroom? Into, studio before you even have. The bedroom over it's an interesting thought as she g however. A couple a couple of reasons one reason would be sometimes they're reasons where thought a bad idea to switch your bedroom up every once in awhile I get that. Every blue moon might be a good idea to switch it up, change the deal feel in there and also. If in this fantasy world of my pretend house, that none of our listeners have seen understand or care about I. I would also be turning my current living room probably into future children's rooms. So that, whole area would probably become different, and then I would want my bedroom to be nice and far away from those Kid's bedrooms on the other end of the house. But would you want them to have access to the studio that this roller nails at? It's You're not able to fight it. I. Mean One day they're going to be teenagers who were sneaking in there to smoke blunts and listen to music on Dad's awesome equipment when I'm gone, it's GonNa. Be. Life. Sure parents are gone for the weekend Oh. Let's go in Dad's studio. Listen to all of his stuff smoke. Mad, we'd you know. This is life. anyways this SAG. So Sam starting his show on the network but s myself or starting our own network on HGTV or own show on HDTV. Knocking down walls we're doing all kinds of stuff. The MAIN EVENT HDTV People. Now as she anything else. The last thing that I have is a POW out women's one hundred. And Bailey. Is, number? One. On Pwi, women's one hundred so far we know of the top five. Bailey obviously at number one. Becky Lynch at number to. Ask the Charlotte number four Sasha banks. Number. Five. which I think is too low. But I wasn't consulted. On it. That's the weird part is that you were consulted. Understand that. Bailey Becky Oscar Charlotte Sasha one, two, three, four, five, the PWI wrestling. One hundred if it's about wrestling this year I don't know if it's Bailey number one but if it's about the overall impact of the character and etc I, mean it's totally reasonable. Bail. It goes from October to September, believe with The evaluation period and I mean, yes, she was very big from the second smackdown starting on. Fox till now right? Yeah I mean listen smackdown women's championship which she's The champion right now. you know it was something crazy of the. Five hundred or five hundred days. She's been champion. Basically. The whole time there's only five days in that period where she hasn't been champion overtime GonNa days yes any championship human. The sacked album is championship. She's been champion the whole Tom. So I think she lost it in back five days later. and has been championed the whole time for. Over a year. So she locked down that's already. Like especially argue. The second run has been. You know incredible with the he'll turn the new look the new music. Holding although gold with her tax partner at one point in that run. I mean she she patted the resume where on the where on the. Wear on the chart is I a WM? They only release the top five. So, there isn't an A. W. Name yet. And I mean when you think about maybe like a rea- Ripley. or even an email share. I don't know they may not make top ten. I, don't. I. Don't think there is someone i. mean a Brit Baker needs to be there at some point. I. Mean She's had an impact on w but like not ahead of the people that were thinking about wwe. And she's ahead of everybody Awa. Unfortunately a rolls who had a lot of promise feel like Brubaker Johnson little bit. Yeah I I've Long said the W division is a problem and not just for the reasons of they don't get a chance but also because the the talent pool is is cool but it's not relative to their competition. It's not strong enough. Yeah. I mean if if we're looking at this thing is competition They certainly are. Now. Let's so so we can use Bailey as a jumping off point to go to. The draft which started last Friday. and they gave us a random. I mean, it ended quickly as she g. but what was the point of giving us a random free on promoted Bailey Sasha match. I have no idea I thought. I thought it was I thought it was going to be the Tom to like. Hold us. Should man you know. Though the strap one Sasha break come up but Bailey still on smackdown. I? Believe. Sasha's Dylan's back there l.. A. Barely still champion saw literally the match. Did. A lesson was to operating, which is entirely possible and honestly should be the goal. That's the whole point right? They do a TV show. But you know from a fan standpoint. This really didn't do much of anything because barely got the Q. Win. The feud. Which should be? Jose should be over, but they should be some distance between them. Looks like it's just GonNa continue with them. Right next to each other for who knows how long Wait till they both ended up on smackdown. Yes Sasha was drafted. SMACKDOWN first pick of second round on Friday. And then daily was drafted as smackdown first round. First pick on Monday and people were hoping that the that the play would be separation of them eventually getting back to. You know problems I I don't need that I'm okay. My point is though why are you giving us a random match talk about not understanding the importance of this story and trying to get this right? I mean the the debt could not be stacked higher against Sasha and Bailey. They have had so many times where this break up and fight thing has not played out the right way. We all have concerns about getting done the right way, and then when you see them having a random match on smackdown, it does it make you think. It's GonNa. Get done the right way. Right so it didn't with the bank you I'd I'd say, yeah, I mean listen at least barely touched in the hugh happen quickly they didn't have much of a match at least but. Yeah I mean. I don't need I don't need them to be on separate brands, but I do need this to end wrestlemainia or have a match at Wrestlemania, right and that's why separate brands is ideal down the. Stretch it out a little bit and before I tell you guys exactly what Jbl in booker had to say about wrestling. Let me tell you guys about keeps now as guys. 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S. dot com slash heat aright get over to keeps dot com slash heat right now and start the process of saving your hair which leads us to probably the other biggest draft story. which is a lot of people were upset about the new day. Being. Drafted apart on smackdown. They didn't sort of interest in way although in also very obvious wwe drafty nonsensical kind of way which is there is a match a new day tag match and then after said match. while they're all standing in the Ring Stephanie McMahon, comes out announces that the new day Covy en-. Xavier Woods have been drafted to raw and then and then, and then the next draft pick coincidentally. Is Big e getting drafted to smackdown while also get to another thing we should talk at some point about how drafting someone to your own. Show it's just the language doesn't work for me say it's it's weird. But yeah. So at first I was annoyed by. This the way everybody else was I thought Chick Foley put up a really good post shout out to our Friendship Foley who does a podcast in and does a lot of social media about wrestling and she made a really compelling post about why is this the way you do it of all the ways you could do it. This feels so silly and I I was Kinda with her at first and then like I thought about it as the days went on. And I don't know as she. I don't know if I hate it like I in a lot of ways it's sort of different than what you expect from a tag team break-up, which is usually just a quick turn. One person turns on the other and you guys I've wanted to split amongst them for a while. Now I think you know six years whatever it's been as a hell of a run. I'm ready for some sort of something else but. This is a way of doing actually hind differently and maybe prolonging the eventual. Split in in another sort of way under different terms. So I don't know that I hate this like every two worked everybody everybody got really sad to see them split up. Isn't that sort of the desired goal? Yes. I think we get like traditional split. Recording us on Thursday I. Think we get it tomorrow night on smackdown. 'cause they already announced the new day. Farewell Match. and. You think they're going to turn on each other. Tamar. Yet the because. Robert. Willett was injured. Kofi Sorta gave big e the blessing to become a single Straw. He took and he ran with it and then they sorta comeback. I feel like I don't WanNa say really quickly. But when they come back and join big e you know he said telegraphs that he's not all the way feeling like he was enjoying singles while I don't know maybe we get like the traditional break-up So, that would really well, that would super work against my argument then. One because the point of what I'm saying is that this is at least different but if they do that if they if they did this random break up and then. They. Then they turn on him coincidentally like tomorrow he's GonNa turn on and he turns on them immediately Yeah. I. Guess You could be open to that because when they were all celebrating last week and he had just had his brutal match, I was kind of like damn. You think he's really in the mood to. This right now he's like sweaty and beaten up. Yeah No, he didn't look. He didn't look in the most any of that at all. Let me just say I I understand why annoyed people and let's be real the biggest problem here is not in the specifics of the new day switching brands you. We'll see how that plays out. The issue here is that the draft is and has always been fundamentally flawed. It could be something that's really cool and really good and while it has moments of fun and props, they finally did something that makes a Lotta Sense. They had a little ticker on the bottom of the screen on Monday and Friday a very basic sports move that makes it feel like a real draft ticker saying who got drafted where? But as she g beyond a couple of little details that make sense generally speaking the draft is to me has been and still is a missed opportunity. yes. 'cause they don't do enough for a reset and I mean, honestly the way ww executes their draft. A lot of things you know don't make sense particularly with this one stephanie announcing all the picks. Who's WHO's picks are these? Are you representing raw and smackdown? You just the company representative just like reshuffling everybody get why you picking against yourself not sure why they use Steph for that like yeah they don't explain why it's her. We don't longer have GM's. I. Don't know why they decided that not having GM's a good thing I don't know why all of a sudden over the last six weeks it appears that Adam Pearce is the all being gm of everything. I don't understand it bro like we. Why Why is this the way we're doing? The draft is such an opportunity I think they could do it on a night that's not apart of raw or smackdown. I think they can make it a fun show that feels like an actual draft. I. Don't know why it it has to be part of the wrestling show where you're doing the draft and you're having matches. So at some points, it feels like a draft and at some point and just building a regular episode of. smackdown it goes across both shows, which is a little bit clunky. You. You have people getting picked you know and like the third or fourth round and you look up and you see the people who are drafted ahead of them like wait. How is that even remotely? Humanly possible. Right like their names of like where people get drafting you're like wait what who got Sammy Zane got drafted thirtieth the current intercontinental champion who's incredibly entertaining and awesome got drafted way down why and that's the other thing too champions should be exempt from the draft like. Just. Exempt them. What about just do a straight up title swap I have I don't like agreeing with Brian Brian Man when he this is wwe especially with ww involved but he made the point that he thought the new date street prophets title swap was straight. OUTTA WCW at eight hundred. It was absurd. It was absurd and it's so funny like. Somebody, asked me after we knew was drafted separate show like I. Think this is going. And you know I mentioned. They could do I could do that but I or the titles the last thing I thought I'd type it out. In the reply to the tweet and then. I deleted it because I was like. That's just absurd. The. Not. They're not gonNA just swipe sloppy titles like that makes no sense. Lo and behold. Or Monday. Literally just slop the titles and I'm just like. Like amicably with no beef no, they just swap the titles. Out of even preferred if like they kept the titles at half the defended on the other show until they lost the event like all right now lost the tactic championships go to smackdown no rematch insane for the new day you lost smackdown championships go to no rematch deal with it over there. But like a straight up. Swap delays it's the laziest thing ever. It's like and even bother thinking this through. Yeah is the path of least resistance but we watch we watch wrestling for the resistance for the conflict for the. Bag, that's what we come for. So that that made no sense was not at all the way the service, the fans are anybody I don't think it'd be titles, but it was dumb. Yeah I don't really know. I. Don't know who benefited from it except you just sit there going late. That's all you can say that simple. It's like it's like when I'm Bob Rob Manfred the Major League Baseball Commissioner a couple years ago referred to the world series trophy a stupid piece of metal unlikely. Why would you? You'd sears. All right but there was more in this draft and listen. I heard a lot of mixed reviews on the draft most of it negative but. I can't say there were some primary people who moved around like it feels like there was a a real mixed between big names who moved and big names who did not move. was there anyone you expected to see move who did not or vice versa? I did not expect to see seth move and he did he's on. SMACKDOWN, now And then once I saw set move. I didn't expect to see that entire feud. Of Move with him with the ray and Dominic and Buddy Murphy. All now being being drafted to smackdown. And I guess I would say that's a good point and I would say I was surprised. That the fiend moved. I really assumed that because of the fiends popularity and how big and sort of cartoonish the character is that the fiend would live on smackdown for a while. Gear. Yes. Same. Especially because he became such a presence like the firefly house and everything on smackdown that. I'm with the I. Didn't see that. Being thing that happened and when she wouldn't you know it coincidental coincidentally not only did the fiend move but so did Alexa Bliss. What you know By the way that's another weird inconsistent thing about the draft. Deciding who goes in pairs and who goes separately. Yeah it why we're Ram? Saran Dominic had to be a pair. They're not even a tag team. Nov literally just father and son like half the sign a permission slip through dominic all the smackdown wouldn't do it unless he came like what was deal with that because Jimmy you. So and Naomi, they're married and they got separated. But we don't know because the souls weren't drafted. J. So was drafted. Oh that's right. Jimmy wasn't he was left out because he's hurt I guess get Jimmy wasn't drafted. That's a good point. That's a good point. Doesn't Jimmy have to be back soon as. I believe January. Is when he's Is when he is due back. And and also if we were to look at the overall order here as she jay. That's where I think you really start getting into trouble and getting annoyed. Because like you said, some of the stuff does it Doesn't make sense in terms of you know. Draft Order Because I mean obviously the first round. You know they pick up the heavy hitters? Let's let's not even. The. Snap beat around the Bush with that but you know. Mandy roles. Being drafted. Above the new day. New Day right. That's like big E. ONA smackdown and woods, and Kofi GonNa Romandie roles was drafted above. The by the way. So was Naomi. WHO HAS IT? Who hasn't really had anything and I? You know. I. Love Her personally she hasn't had anything meaningful on TV and a very long time and she went ab- Naomi went above her brother in law J Ouzo who's currently in the midst of the biggest thing going. Yeah the hottest thing that she had a budget. And she she's been like just waiting for an opportunity. She went ahead of and did Mandy rows ahead of Biggie in the new day. Ahead, of Otis, MR, money in the bank By the way wouldn't you think money Mr Money in the bank regardless of who he is would go very high. You would think. We would think and then even on Monday Andrade doesn't doesn't even drafted. So any name you name. It highly Andre that includes Lada. Riddick Moss. Daba Kato Lacey Evans. tried. It didn't even get drafted. I mean listen. Nicky, cross, went ahead of Alastair Black. So did our truth. Now are truth for entertainment purposes. That's fair. You can put him very high at is He is a champion right now twenty four seven championship is still active Lars Sullivan ahead of Sammy's eighteen. Yeah absurd. Absurd. I thought I didn't even show Selah was coming back. That is a that is a risky. Move it is people do not seem excited about the return of large Sullivan I am not at you know what I noticed too. Lost Sullivan came back. He attacked Jeff Hardy. At if memory serves me correctly when people were like, dig it through some of his old statements, one of them was that Jeff Hardy, a talentless junkie. ASSUMPTA side effect are wow. So to have, he'll come back. And Attack Jeff Hardy I mean. We get these podcasts that we. Talk about everything. But one thing that we have to say like right here is that them hardy boys they opposed think about Matt Harvey with the Edge Storyline and Jeff Hardy even approving. Being a part of anything law Sullivan. They do business those hardy boys know they're there to work I mean that's Yeah Jeff Jeff shows up. This is. JEFF IS JEFF is a consummate I. Know I know it's hard to call Jeff Hardy the consummate professional because of his past, and he's certainly had moments that were not. That of the consummate professional but this stage Jeff Hardy, he's shown up every day with his lunch pail ready to work and. Keep cashing these checks. an stacking until he can't stack. No. But the large Sullivan. Without even going into the whole. Controversy around him right. My problem with Lars starts as a character. Those. These are how often do these work. The. The vision of like he's a monster. It's I mean man I just have visions of sneaky you know. Yeah. A really an and there have been so many. You know Just, these big guys that you don't really know what they bring to the table besides being big Heidenreich. Wasn't as big as Lars but e if we were to sit here and think about it, we could come up with many. Goals at Tyson, Tyson Tomko Tyson Tomko. Just big dude. You know very rarely. It's just like they have to have. Either some unusual charisma or athleticism I don't believe based on what I've seen. That Lars has either of those. Yeah now you know. And going back to what you said too about you know like these big big guys, they could push those monsters. I don't know how they do it every time but they they sort of book themselves into a corner with that because. If you're not gonNA just give them the title. And let them go on like a dominant run. It's like that that Hogan booking right? They booked them as monsters and they build them up until they run. into the champion. And the champion Sorta just like. Destroys them or overcome. Sina was the same way. and. In WCW back into, they had to do the sort of the opposite where like Veda was that big monster got the push and he went on like a reign of terror. He had the title he thrashed everybody he lost it thrashed them came right back into the title the WB approach generally the opposite. You build up to. That you know who Maga didn't get the title put on him. Shameful to so you end up blue so you end up not winning. And then you know they were able to get a little bit more out of him I. Think I think after that was then. Was the Lashley thing I. Twenty three. Now I. Think the last thing was like towards the end. And you Sinoe. WAS I. I think. So 'cause they didn't he have seen a when he was like. Yeah. A hundred strata? Man, so. Yeah. But you're right. You're right and so you do end up getting booked into a corner because what are you supposed to do i? I'd be shocked if the Lars than works out if they're able to figure out and make this character means something and the personal stuff listen, it's not that I? people make mistakes okay. Maybe gives someone second chances. But beyond that I don't think this. Really there's such a, it's such an uphill battle to make it work. Such uphill battle, and then on top of that, now you already have the crowd a certain segment of the crowd working root against him. Yeah. And also you have laws is not helping the situation himself like Lars is making. It all laws doesn't do himself any favors. So. He finds himself on. smackdown. and. Wait hold on. This is exciting. Amid show running. Could it be? Oh Yeah What's happening? There he is. Better Ban. dipper fiend all the way from dipper phen- ranch. I'm upstairs where there's carpet. Now it's out how Stj how much better does he sounded upstairs beautiful. Crystal Clear. Now listen you're joining late in the show so we can't completely start over, but we were just complaining. There's just so much for to complain about this week. What what? ME. If, you're feeling. You know Jewish. And you're a great podcast or. An Peter Rosenberg is remaining UNWRAP. That you to what do you WanNa complain about I the youth at the right time though because crazy the craziest thing of the week is the fact that retribution s rapid. We didn't get there yet. We didn't get there yet. Rats? No, that's next. Jog about that's it I know I do. How could a group whose goal is to destroy raw? And Rip. WWe. From its perch and strip it limb from limb that is their goal in their gimmick. And in the second round, they decide we need these guys we need them. On our honestly just come out, all you have to do is come out and say we've talked to the powers that be and while they are signed members of WWe retribution is not eligible for the draft. They signed a contract with Monday night raw they're not in the draft. The second third in the draft you're telling you show would elect to bring these monsters on board right? It's said look we all know that I live in a cave only case a only lifestyle. and. You know you're a K. FEHB girl in a FEHB world. That's right. That's exactly what I am. And it's just it. That is just It was a big blow to me. They made they made a challenging. Relevance I was hyperventilating I was dry heaving. With good with good reason by the way. Very good wrong. And I gotTa tell you. I. Don't think the other problem. I have with the draft is that I don't think that people who are not active wrestlers. Should be. Drafted Charlotte. Unless she's coming back, today should not be drafted. It's like Oh this person who's been gone for nine months in when she comes back at some point, this is where she's going to be like it it it ruins the element of surprise. Just right why not just leave that open let her show up when she shows up. Atlanta it's inconsistent as she g because if you can draft Charlotte, why would you not be able to draft Jimmy you. So yeah, why would the use Os right now not be drafted as a tag team I mean. I guess Jay who so is the thing going? So they choose to leave him out but I mean, they are one of the best teams in the entire company. You'd think some older want them there a multi time champion especially, if they broke up a few teams in the draft, they wanted the teams left I mean and I mean if I was I'm not going to be a jerk and go through the list. Of People that you did draft but I could list a lot of people who were drafted who we would all agree probably would have wanted to grab the USOZ ahead of them. But like, I, mean, that's my problem with the order in general they need to rethink this entire thing. The entire draft concept could be really fun and done really well, and I believe it has been basically a perpetual disappointment since the second it started. I was pretty good. The first the first one but they never caught that lightening again would that goes all the way back to what Oh three? Yeah. Yeah it's a long time. Can. I just say I think they should get rid of it completely. It's ridiculous. There's no one in charge of both brands. Stephanie McMahon hasn't been on television in a year right in the last draft. Why do what does she have to do I know I understand authority figure. But there at least has to be two parties who are consulting about who is going to be on each side not just up chose it raw hose it rising up as it went. down. By, the way or or maybe you okay. Here's where Stephanie would make sense if they explained to us that there are people who run raw and there are people who run smack down, but the McMahon's their goal is to make both shows even in great. So this is what they're picking for each show and that's why Stephanie McMahon comes out. Give me some explanation as to why it's her choice. This goes to my point that there needs to be always I've made this point for the five I've been doing this podcast with you guys. The there always needs to be an a plus storyline there needs to be the quiz fighting over control of the company higher than just a WHO's fighting for the title there needs to be the. NWF storyline through the authority storyline events. McMahon's Zoran man either needs to be the Higher Authority storyline I don a draft could play into. That is at the moment even if it's even if it spending a month to six weeks building a shame versus Stephanie Type, of thing where Stephanie is not interrupt underground or Stephanie enters raw undergrad whatever anything to integrate the McMahon's together so that it feels like their warring in one side is on smackdown one sides on raw. There needs to be something integrated into the into the show so that there is a at least warring factions. Even if it's six week, build up to the draft to make the draft interesting. What we have here is basically just. Stephanie who is a great character on television just coming out and randomly saying little quips and giving no rhyme or reason as to why this is even happening? Yeah. So it's really disappointing and it's it feels like it was thrown together at the last minute and then I also don't like like Daba Kato for me is awesome. I'm a fan I like his look something great could come of him for sure and like he's just randomly like, okay, you've seen him you saw him a month right and now he's drafted to instead of Leeches, it it's like What and then Again in K., fehb other worldly figures like the fiend and retribution and people who are outside of the realm should not be included in the draft. No. Of course, you can't draft a demon. He's not a real person. He's a he's a figment of Ray Wyatt's imagination why why he lives in the Funhouse Yeah here's the fun out. Here's a question. why I wonder what the logic is on the lack of authority figures I've been watching two thousand two. and S G. I've changed since we started and I'm wearing as you can see the Mayor Booker T. Shirt and I do remember that. I'm watching I'm watching around this time two, thousand, two and. The McMahon's are very big at this time. Stephanie's relationship with triple H is very big vince. McMahon is very big around this era. You Add Paul Heyman showing up with brock listener. At other points you had eric, Bischoff as an authority figure, Steve Austin. All these different people would be authority figures at different points in the early two thousands. Why right now when they hired when they announced that Paul Heyman and Bruce take you over on smackdown they should have put each one of them on TV, is the authority figure. Bruce Prichard Brisk Bruce Pritchard who's become legitimately hot as a podcast star give them the actual off air job. You know the answer sorry. As she we know the answer as to why there's no with the McMahon's aren't authority triple H is running the company Stephanie McMahon is this is the second highest ranking person at the company, besides Vince, and his vase themselves out of off television for the most part it's. Not. These people they don't have. They can't memorize lines every week after be associated with the created our recent week need to they. Right. I agree I agree they could. They could create other authority figures and make other people whatever I mean I don't the last time they had this was Kurt Angle and whatever which was terrible right. But then why and then when they sleep, it's honestly it's so simple right? Make, the McMahon's as the GM skiff Stephanie One. Gives Shane. One Adam Pearce answers to both of them. He wrote that's why he POPs up on raw smackdown do whatever he's they're week to week they come in when you need something special and then when they have an issue Vince comes in because he's the Jack tiny he makes it's so you're you're right as you make that's it, and by the way guess what dipper scenes talking about an a plus storyline. The plus storyline is the real life story line of WHO's actually going to take over the wwe one day a real life story line. There dude he's they're not. They're. It's. It's GonNa take something terrible to happen for that to even be in the unfortunately for that's him not worth we don't want that but you know it's GonNa. It's GonNa, take address the situation I that that that this should be they to have a contingency plan. All right like this. We shouldn't even have to talk about that. This should all just be what we're doing because I gotta tell you we need to see triple H on television it's time to get triple h back on TV It's not. I'm already for, but if they don't give him a good role, what's the role they need to? What's his figure like is he is he the head of raw the head of smackdown? And the bottom line is, i. mean the truth is I think most of his time is spent on an xt. That's where he spends his time. Which? We can talk about that. We'll talk about an extended insect unless you talked about it we have not. On whatever his role is as an authority figure, whatever it is, I'd love to see him Russell I. You know I would whatever the case may be. It's time for. An a plus storyline and retribution. Was An and I guess is that it's the. It it is. Retribution is the let's see what happens every week with this scenario now but now they're just arrested. Mesler but we had. Drought UPDRAFTS, raw I live right now we'll see what they do with them but up until this point they were. The a plus esque a plus. Jas Storyline. And that, and that was the reason personally for me that I was tuning in every week the last six weeks just to see. Oh, maybe they'll traditionist week. Oh. Let's see who's revealed as the leader bub-bubba. And I don't hate what they've done with now I don't hate it. I really I don. I don't. I'm sorry I. I I there's plenty of criticism about it. They shouldn't have been in the draft. They should sort of be on a different level in the draft as far as disruption in the in the brand high-grade Azziman. Terrible. It's Ali Ali was a great choice. Ali was a great. I love Olly in that role I think. We'll see what he does I. Think it's a great opportunity. I mean. Let me tell you this. There's no one. There's no one who jumps out who I think it should have been over Ali and he could make the most of this and it could be great but I do if they just become a wrestling faction and also. I gotta say for how important they've been on TV. The hurt business we're like a footnote on Monday. A footnote. What then being drafted should have been a big deal MVP should have been lobbying all. He's on the phone he's talking to smackdown to raw everyone wants to hurt business where they going to go. They're trying to set up a deal. They treated them like nothing with that. Those little nuances are things that like and. Not, destroy anybody working over there but like you have to wonder how much they know about. These actual sports things because they don't lead into enough of them like they don't leave into that even with like the draft. With. Some of these picks. Feeling like they come to left field like a draft board like like having them sit down like a pre game thing like these other people in the draft pool this is what they bring to the table like something like that. They did it with the cruise way classic. They did it with the May young classic like a a simple networks special hyping up the superstars in the draft for the particular day in like what they add to to wrestling. What they could do is just something that could hyped this draft a little bit better. But instead, it was just like names on a wall we'll pick this person and it just all felt random like. Yeah, I mean there was no back story to the draft in any way at all whatsoever and I it just it's so silly when they put up, you know like I, you know, I I. Love Tom to death you know personally and professionally phillips but it's like you know I know they make him do this of course but every single time they bring some they Oscar and then they list the stats explain. This summit I'm not a time this one this rumble. She won that battle royal. She did the I mean everyone's one hundred things already it doesn't matter I know SDG will disagree but these stats and how many times they win the championship and this and that I mean there's three hundred titles they change hands every three weeks in the ninety s and eighty s it make a difference hold Hogan. Won The title. You know throughout all of the although although although to support your argument, there's there's never been a more meaningful champion probably in the company that Hall Cogan I, the number he held the title isn't even big thing. No I know wrong. But isn't that interesting to the point you're making? To the point you're making, they're obsessed with listing accolades but the most important superstar of all time no one knows the stats of his accolades. It doesn't matter. He's whole Kokin. It's so crazy right? Of course. That's really funny. Isn't that exactly? It's like, how could they not? So I see what you're saying. You can list all these things. All you want I mean obviously, I'm not going to the same problem with the dip does he has a problem with things that are absolutely saying by the way do you want five minutes to yell about the sound? You sure. It's era go. This sound it. It's just there there is. It is bothering me to such a degree. that it's almost making. You say. Okay I have no problem with the Thunderdome. It looks cool. It's well constructed I. Like what they've done. I like the way the whole staging looks everything looks cool. I'm into it. But when somebody in the in the in has like. Lower the volume of the moaning crowd means. In the background it sounds crazy you have. You have. You have. Rain talking you people and it's drowned out by Moni and groaning and fake booze and fake is I mean. Super Bowl stadium full of people don't sound that profoundly amid infants it does sound how the. Crowd. As she you on proud to talk over the PROMOS. All Now, you're talking about you're talking about two different things. He's talking he's talking about the mix. Genuinely sounded like that then great it's not the crowd. I don't even know what it is. Is it either the is it the ambient noise of the Thunderdome people or is it just? No? No, it's. It's. It's. The piped. It's You're talking he's talking about your time at the mix. You're talking about the mix you do not like. Yes, I don't like the mixed any sound person on earth. Listen to this. Radio. You can barely hear what he's saying it. It makes every segment where people are talking in the ring sound less important because you can barely hear their voice. dipper pristine terrible. Listen I love you. Every week I look forward to hearing your tax about the sound. Sound like stop yourself. Okay Koa sound I Kelly coming out storyline. Fabrics very excited for you to go back in here this podcast because during your entire Promo you just cut I was playing loud obnoxious dowd's blogging over here you're saying. You can hear some of it, but then the applause get too loud people will be able to hear word are you Rosenberg beats at G MAIL DOT COM. Email us we gotta go. You get we this is the second taping and you missed the first taping and you missed the beginning of the second taping. I know people want you by the way though there you've barely been on the show the last they'll be desperate for more next week I. Know by the way I'm sorry. I was making calls to potentially make richer ply. That's very, very important and I think the universe appreciates that yeah, we do definitely do. As she g dip do me a favor everyone enjoy your weekend and if you're into a looking for a sporting event to watch on Saturday night, it's going to be a great fight on ESPN vasily low Michenko against Huma, Lopez is. A hell of a fight free TV ten o'clock eastern Saturday night on ESPN. Do if ever guys in same age, please. Stay made for sure defenestrate yourselves. Yeah and and I meant to say this also and I. Mean this sincerely. So don't think I'm being generic. Please take it easy. The. A little bit. Heart is the greatest professional wrestlers, the history of artful.

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Episode 250 | Put It In Your Cart For The Kids

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Episode 250 | Put It In Your Cart For The Kids

"On. This is I. Read Books Podcast. It is the two hundred fiftieth episode of the I would come podcast and I'm your host for this momentous occasion Paul JC filling in for my happen I was going to say we should have done a big special oversized issue for episode two fifty, but every. Episode of I. Recall Books Is Special to me. So I'm happy to be joined by to agree hosts to join me on this two hundred. Fiftieth episode. Extravaganza. CAITLYN, fear. And Care Shambaugh risky. welcome both I, we don't really have an extra oversized special episodes. It's hard not to think of it that way since we're called book fans we want. Two hundred and fifty episodes or issues as it were to be special but we'll make it special I. Think we have interesting topics so before we get into the topic for today, let's start off with the questions I legally obligated to ask as the podcast. How have you been? How have come books been? Let's start with you. KEIRA allow Paul. I you know what? I've just I at what's that quote I I am just straight up not having a good time right now. Sure. To shirt that that quote feels like my life at the bogut at Ab-. Sorry to start off the special extravaganza episode by such A. Downer. But I've just like. Like okay. Friday I took the day off from work and I was just feeling like opening a school in pandemic is overwhelming and I decided that I needed a little little personal time and one of my friends from the city. Told invited me along for a hike and I was like, okay I'm GonNa take the day off I'm going to get out of the house. I'M GONNA be one nature and it'll be great and then I realized half an hour into the hike that I was not physically equipped for this hike because it was to rate up a low mountain and I have been sitting on my couch since. March. So. My body still hurts, and then afterwards, we went to a restaurant outside. And it was the first time I'd visited a restaurant during the pandemic. And I had inadvertently violated the health code by pulling my chair away from the table because I'm not in the pod of the people that I was with. And so a server came over in explain this to me and I was like, okay. Yeah. But like can can we then move to two other tables because we were told at first that we can't that I can't have my own table because there's just one of me and he was like, that's that's dumb. Who told you that? Yes take the other two tables and then you know. In a normal level of restaurant there's a lot of chatter and what noise and you don't really feel like you're being overheard, but if you have like. A third or a half of your capacity and people are spaced out sitting outside your voice can carry which is how I heard this server bitching about me to the other servers and patrons and I just burst out crying into my French fries and I was inconsolable and it was not great so that just kind of set the tone for my. Weekend like I have had some nice moments but overall like my body still hurts and I'm still just like well, I guess never going to a restaurant again thanks for that experience. So I'm on I'm delighted to come and join you and talk about comic books instead. So I can go get about you know reality for a little bit were nicer here. I. Know You guys are so nice. Oh Man I'm an to answer your question about how our comic books Paul Actually, GonNa I'm actually gonNA Hijack Kate. So we can do a mini mini club Yes. So how are comics so maybe like a week or two ago on our Air C. B. Group Chat Kate Scotch lists was raving about this book that she had read called Mooncakes and she was like Oh. Kate, lanphier thank you so much for recommending this book. It's awesome and Caitlin rivers like what? So. Apparently. Scotch lists had missed her like misunderstood What of CAITLIN fears previous recommendations and but then it transpired that because schedules had found this book and recommended it. Caitlyn fair and I also read mooncakes an also founded delightful. So we're GONNA have a mini book club right now where we talk about mooncakes. Please do. so It is by Suzanne Walker and Wendy Shu and it is. About this witch. who were lost childhood friend WHO's aware wolf comes to town and they have to like exercise a demon from the woods and it sounds like it might be a horror story, but it's actually like very charming. At It's it's just Like it's like strong fall vibes and Kate you the person who said this is what you wanted pumpkin heads to be or was that Scotch list I don't know but I would agree with whoever said it. We're all of this. It's so nice when we find a book world just like, yes this our opinions allied. I didn't even notice the fall the fall theme until about halfway through. But yeah, it had references to Up a religion in a holiday for it, but it was basically Yeah. It was a false elaboration that they were celebrating a, which is with the food mooncakes, which is what the book is named after even though it's only mentioned in one scene. That's so charming and draws you in. You're like, yes, I would like to read a story about Lunar Pastry go on. Yeah. Well Kate. What did you think of the characters when you were reading this book? You, they were all charming. So it's a non nuclear family. The that you focus on the protagonist is being raised by her grandmother's So it an LGBT plus book, which is fantastic. It was it was very cute There was one friend that was like. I. Was worried that there was going to become a oh I'm the third. I'm the third link or the third wheel, but there was none of that. It was great. It was just a very supportive friendship she showed up when she was needed she called when she when she needed them, they were all very supportive of one another and there was. That the friend was like everyone around her as a witch and she is like physics. Should it be possible A that was an excellent contrast you like real realistically if you there, there would be that person where they discovered that magic is real. They're going to be like but science I'm GonNa make it work. Yeah. Yeah I wish that I actually looked up this writer I can't really find much else by her. But I'm going to. Because yeah. Because then story then more make more works redder. Well I'm excited to join the Mooncakes Club I just looked up some the artwork in a it looks lovely Wendy's our work. Looks lovely you. You've made it a you know A. Healing so Oh. Yeah I I I will admit I did not fully see the twist at the end coming. So that was satisfying I enjoyed I enjoyed that the where will friend was like? Like, Oh, a friend or eleven tryst I've I always just really appreciate romantic subplots that don't take over. The majority of the plot in that makes sense. Like I'm way more interested in like an action adventure story where they're UC chemistry developing and like there's some kind of resolution at the end as opposed to a ROM COM will were. The whole thing is that they will fall in love their attractive people. Of course, this is how it is. Much more enjoy the tension of the reality of like. Well, life is not life is not always just about relationship sometimes other stuff happens like a demon in the woods, his terrorizing everybody and all the fine forest folk and you need to stop it also maybe maybe you will end up with the cute friend. Let's find out. Let's go in this magical adventure together here have a mooncake. Decide classic. Story you know two people meet they are attracted to each other than to fight a demon that made the tail is oldest time. Really. No that actually sounds great I'm glad you both read that any. Kind of sold me so I'll have to dig into that check it out as well. So. The Colt. A Kate we know one comic you read. Is there anything else you wanted to talk about you read this week? Yeah. I read the rivers of London volume one by Baranov Bench and Andrew Carnell with art by lethal of Ann Lewis Guerrero, and I actually started listening on audiobook to the pros books by Baranova ch and I'd been working through those pretty quickly. I assumed that the comic books would be adaptation. So I was trying to read the pros books before I read the comic books and it turns out that they're just additional stories. So you don't need to read the pros books, I. And I think that this would appeal. To fans of the Dresden files, it's a modern urban fantasy with a user male protagonist. It is. It is still a little bit sexist. Described as to how attractive they are, but they also positions of power like single woman like like a police officer or a leader of the community and. in comparing it to the Dresden files, there are way more people of color characters in it. So just you know as a reader that's more of what I want to see in all of all of my readings. So that's really nice change. in that within that genre and a lot of these comics are on Hoopla. There's like I don't know I wanNA say almost ten volumes and I've only read the first one but I'm going to keep going with them because I mean, they're not. They don't seem to release spoil what's in the pros books. So I think it would be fine if I kept reading the comics. without being that that far along in the pros number I. Hope I. Hope you are correct. Your not ruined. Yeah. Well, some pretty intense stuff happens in the first two prose books and I haven't seen any of any even though like the the characters that those those things happen to are referenced, you don't see them and you don't like hear about their story. So like reading the prose books would just add a layer of extra meaning when those when that reference happens but. You didn't. You didn't hear about the terrible thing that happened to them. So. Hopefully it will not spoil me but whilst the I'm GONNA I'm. GonNa keep reading them. Both the pros and the comics so. Find It. So interesting when comics are created as a supplement to approve his book there. I'm totally blanking on the title, but that happened a few years ago with like this waie series about circus performers through something like the tight rope girl or something like that, and they had there was like a tight in comic sequel that I read prior to reading the book and it still worked as a one shot. But then I went and read the first book was like Oh this is good to more of this and So I appreciated that and then of course, sometimes it it doesn't work as seamlessly as he would like, for example, when Brian and I went and read lots of Star Wars and it turns out that the new Lake Squadron Books that tie until like the tie fighter squadron comic books like don't actually ty in and like that was unsatisfying but I just find that overall the the comic pros compliment can work if you actually care to like Inter, weave the threads and make it make sense. I think that this would stand alone. Okay. I mean like I said you will you'll miss one reference but that's I mean, that's fine. You can just read past it. I have a very hard time reading books without pictures in them these days so. To comics. I listened to a lot of audiobooks one doing other things but sitting down to write a pros book just takes so long. For me. I unfortunately have let my weekly comic book floppies pile up around the my house. When diamonds shut down for the the brief month or so there is able to catch up on everything. Now, we're back up and running more or less full speed. I'm back in my a bad habit of just letting things pop up in. We all let weeks worth of comics just sit around unread, which is a crime, but I did make some time this week to read too graphic novels are. That was highly highly. Anticipatory. For that makes sense that were highly anticipated by me. One of which. Was Jack Kirby the epic like epic life of the King of comics by Tom Yolly this is a book. Of course I was GONNA buy as soon as it was announced its thomps Joey who did transformer versus gi joes did fantastic four grand design One of my favorite artists and writers him doing a biography of Jack Kirby as the title implies and. I can't think of a better artist to tackle Jack Kirby seal his work is so influenced by Jack in his storytelling sensibilities obviously borrows heavily from jet careers work. This book is really interesting because it is an unauthorized biography has been authorized by the Kirby Estate. It's not authorized by DC or marvel. So I was kind of expecting more of a warts and all type of biography but silly plays a pretty straight. The book is essentially narrated by Jack himself taken from interviews he did over the years and of restructured into a narrative. Explanation of his life. there are a few moments where you get voiceovers, quote unquote or narrative sides from other people like his wife Bras has a few moments where she her account of the events that happened. Stanley. Counts of a few things but overall plays it pretty straight stuff I already knew but. What's really interesting about the book is the way Coe ties everything together everything that Jack went through is filtered through his comex his comics were away for him to understand. and express his own life experiences. So the reason, Jack Kirby always did comics that feature gang of kids was because when he was a young boy growing up in. New York nineteen twenties he was in a gang. So it was like why groping a gang. That's part of my life. I'm GonNa make comics about these kid gangs fight crime but you know that was away from expressing his life and then his experiences of world. War Two were really like harrowing and really shape shook him and shaped his his idea of what humanity is. so that becomes the new gods right and dark side becomes an allegory for fascism. So the idea that Jack is worked as cosmic and big as it is it's very true to what is life experiences were so I appreciated that and. You get a sort of shorthand history of comic books as a medium in business because Kirby worked in comics starting in the thirties. So it's a thirty s through the ninety S. you see firsthand how hard it was for him as an artist to get by in fight against corporate control comics so It could be a tragic story but ends on very positive note we all know a Jack Kirby's legacy is so it's nice to see it celebration a book like this. When the when did this come out? It came out just last month. I think just a few weeks ago I did see something about it I don't know if you while you probably shared it. With the group or something, but I have seen some stuff about this. So I. Definitely. Add it to my reading list add to cart. I will say I mean, I could nitpick things about it but I really enjoyed it i. think if someone who doesn't know that much about Jack Kirby really there's very informative. I will say coe makes a very specific art choice in at a certain point the book he starts drawing Jack. Kirby with big like Koichi be style is like draws like and it's I see that on the cover yeah, and it's jarring at first. But I, there's a reason why does it I don't want to spoil my interpretation or give too much into it, but it's like I think there's a reason he does that and it's about Jack Kirby's personality. So it is jarring it first though to see it so. Yeah. Anyway, it's I highly recommend it especially. If you're not Jacob van, you should be explainable. I mean Jack Jack? Kirby learning about Jack Kirby was. I guess a slight turning point in my understanding of mainstream US Superhero Comics Sure because you know I I got into marvel like more in my twenties as opposed to D. C. in my my teens and youth, and so my understanding of marvel up to that point like like cast your mind back folks to the like mid-2000s to thousands when Stanley was making cameos. In, like that first fantastic four movie and like the Spiderman Movies and it was like I was enough of a nerd to know like that is Stanley the comic book man but didn't really know anything else about everything else and like somewhere around Marvel Comics, the untold story came out and I read it like it was the Bible I was just kind of like Oh my God. Jack Kirby, and all these other dudes were wronged and obviously the legacy is much more complicated than that but I was like. Really drawn to this idea of Jack. Kirby's are being dynamic and bold in very of the decade that the decades that he was drawing it in and how really did capture the imagination of all these people who had been reading comic books but reading comic books in the way of like. You know here's. Like you know when you're reading a comic book where you can't really tell what the action is supposed to be versus a comic book where the action just flows very fluidly and Jack Kirby is definitely one of the latter artists and So I think that that was a real moment for us comics wherever when was like, Oh this is exciting. Okay. I trust. Some is excited when he gets a little more attention especially in a format that might attract people who may be aren't reading comic books necessarily right exactly and I think. I would argue that the comic books are the perfect medium to tell his story of his life was so intertwined with the medium. So it makes perfect sense and like yeah to know more about the man just behind the pictures, it's very easy. I think to see the finished product and think, Oh yeah, someone drew that but actually think about how much more work goes into that it's important to reflect on that and. Trust me we have hours of conversation about Jack Kirby, but that's for another. Jack Kirby appreciation podcast. Oh a only if only. Very briefly the other book I wanted to mention was pope by Ed Brubaker, and Sean Phillips with colors by Jacob Phillips. This is a standalone og and written by the team that does criminal and killer be killed in those fantastic comics which I love dearly. Rubican Phillips, they're the Best I. Don't know how to describe it. I know and I pick up on their comics I know what the tone is going to be. I know what it's going to read like and it's always satisfying this book. is about a writer who's writing Western stories for pulp magazines in the late thirties. He, struggling to get by because the industry you have the Great Depression on top of the industry being a slump he's his rates get caught. He goes from five cent. So word for a stories to two cents a word. At the same time, you have a the American Nazi movement happening in New York a lot of people sir promote promoting Nazism before the war's really starts. and. That atmosphere lends itself to crime and that's what Brubaker and Phillips Do. Best. So the writer the book is about he was a an outlaw in the old west who as a young man and he's kind of falling back into his old ways and decides to maybe. Go back to his criminality. Of His past so You know again, you know what? You'RE GONNA get rubric and Phillips It's going to be about crime it's going to be about Toughness wouldn't about this book. It's also about the creative process. It's about a writer who's being screwed over by the publisher I much like Jack Kirby. Connections between the two books I think. and. I I also really enjoy Jacob philps used color in this book. The flashbacks, the old West sequences are colored in a different style. That's. Subtle at first. But when you notice what he's doing, it's really really impressive and really jarring It's a really beautiful looking book. I'm glad that Brubeck and Phillips are kind of doing these more standalone hundred page. As, well as a regular monthly comics so highly recommend that book as well. I always feel about Brubaker and Phillips the way I feel about quote unquote good music like, okay. Like I am a like bubblegum pop trash queen and so when people play music, that is quite good like maybe more indie music or rock from people who are very good at their craft and making excellent things like I listened to it and I understand that it's good but I don't want to listen to it and I feel that way with Brubaker and Phillips like I've read I read like fatality yeah and got something. What was that Golden Age Hollywood one that they did builders the fate out yet Alan and it was great. But I really struggled to understand like what was going on I'd like, I understood that I was reading something good and I and I understood that it was very well executed but I didn't connect with it anyway that I would. Connect with. FOR EXAMPLE MOONCAKES I mean, that's understandable. I find myself sometimes to reading their stuff and even if I Reading the stuff months, two months sometimes, I lose the thread of the narrative but I'm always willing to kind of just look at the craft involved and can that's enough to carry me through a lot of the times just to see how they're tongue. The story to me is just inching as the story itself sometimes even more interesting. And also I mean, they're one of the most. Well. We don't throw this word around lately but one of the most iconic comic book Creator Duos Working Today like like you said, when you see their names attached to a project, you kind of know more or less what you're getting into. It's kind of like if someone says like Oh, Karen Gillan and Jamie mckelvie are doing a project together and you're like here is my credit card. Thank you. Yeah, exactly. EXA-. To Tie the music analogy back into it. I'm just kind of a sucker for that. Maybe comfort of that I know every time I buy a dinosaur junior record. It's GonNa more or less the same as the last one. But I, kind of like that I know what I'm going to get. So yeah. There's something comforting about that. Yes. Maybe that's what I need right now my life is comfort in this provided it a story about crime de else. Exactly. So those are the books we read. Let's talk about comics were excited to read in the very near future. Comic Strip this week on Wednesday, the nineteenth of August. Care what are you excited for this week? Speaking of just wanting to be surrounded by comfort. Right which has for sure been my like. Pandemic purchase motivator like I am swimming in I now and living my ninety s life even though I was a child in the nineties and could. Fully appreciate that nostalgia late I got I got a brown lipstick on the way I am ready like I'm here for this this. regressing to childhood situation. So. I when I was looking at comics that are coming out this week I was really looking for something where I can be like I. Don't want to be a grown up with responsibilities. I want to go back to my youth and I did find a way to do that with comic books but with a slight a slight academic twist So Santa Graphics is a publisher where every time they put something out I'm like Ooh I want that and then I realized I would very quickly go broke so yes, I don't purchase from them as much as I. Would ideally want to but they do exquisite archival collections that are nonetheless affordable and a series that they are publishing. Now is the complete Carl Barks and Carl Barks is kind of the guy who was creating Disney. Comic Books In the Twentieth Century? And The Disney comics are actually still hugely popular in Europe but we don't really see them in the US, which is honestly a tragedy because especially some of some of the the Carl Barks work in particular is excellent storytelling The. they're they're doing a second printing I believe of volume twelve of the complete car boxer. Careful twelve I. Do I have to read the first eleven volumes? No friends it's Disney comic books. They're like one shot stories and volume twelve. Is All about Scrooge mcduck. which if you are unfamiliar with the Character Scrooge mcduck mcduck in which case I will say get the Disney plus. scrooge mcduck is essentially a riff of the famous literary character Ebenezer Scrooge. He's gone all duck's uncle and he's very wealthy and Scottish and has a lot of adventures relating to his money and being a miser essentially, but it's Disney. So he's like charming about it in his capitalist way. And So this complete, Carl Barks volume twelve. Average mcduck features the story only a poor man which the Fanta Graphics solicit on their website describes as the defining scrooge yarn and also his first major appearance. So I have this book in my cart. Now. It's being released on Tuesday not Wednesday because I think because it's a book. So I think they're on the book publishing schedule of Tuesday's. But yet like the I. Carl Barks is an artist where I understand his work is formative for this time period but I just never really. Dove, dove dived does too much into it but I will I will not change that i. you know what am I doing? I'm at home I want to pretend to be a youth again, why don't I just revisit all of these comics that were written for all ages? But with my you know more Mora, more adult critical I can still enjoy it but I could also be like look the storytelling. Right Carl Carl Barks is one of those writers or artists that every other comic writer or artists are every artist cites as an influence it's think how can these duck comics damn chill but hymie Hernandez Gilbert Hernandez every artist you know I'm sure Jack Kirby is looking stuff. Was All looking at these stuff this stuff because it's basic cartooning and he kind of helped define how that functions. So you know I've looked at a little bit of it and like you said, much like scrooge mcduck diving into his giant volt of coins I need to dive into more stuff to investigate it right? There's no better time. What else are you doing exactly? Thanks remind you that I might have to pick up as well. Right? What about you? What are you excited for this week? I'm excited for something that you've heard about a few times before. Lady McCain comfort here Yes lady mechanic of volume six, singer is the. Subtitle says by Joe Benitez Garcia, Chen and Brian Ching and I was collecting the single issues in this particular series. But fizzled out for some reason and now that it's collected in a volume have too often finish it but I might check how the collected volume because I've never read a collected volume in the series and. When publishers collect a book, they tend to add extra front matter a real rear matter or at least different stuff than what you would read in the single issues. So I might I might just grab the whole volume. and I've talked about leading mechanical before on this show she's a woman with mechanical arms legs and is she's an investigator bad ass with a steam puck and in an steam punk Victorian era, and if you're interested in reading this, every volume can pretty much stand alone. So if you want to check this out, I do recommend Sanger in particular is it's got some backstory with like Central American mythology, and so this takes lady mechanica. To a place that she hasn't been before, which is starting to become a theme in the in the series which I'm really enjoying you got to. As. Much as I really like the kind of. Victorian London general setting that you get in the first couple of volumes seeing other parts of the world in this kind of. Fictional. Version of the late eighteen hundreds is a lot of fun. I know you've mentioned that series before and all I can think of is a gender swapped Victorian inspector gadget which seems right in my alley. So I should really check that stuff out. Yeah. Yeah LE- mechanic is not afraid to punch some bad guys and it's a lot of fun because she swaps between like a scene where she's all in like this nice ballgown to do some visiting to ask people questions it's a ballgown. It's what they were in this in this time period and then in the next scene. Yeah. Yeah and then the next scene she's in like come. Like kind of like black widow type get up. But with like extra goggles and stuff. So she can wash. It doesn't meet the goggles extra like coverings and things because you're speaking mechanical eyeball, she can move like seeing. As for me it's a very weak. Polit-. So this is my pick by default more or less. It's wonder woman dead Earth Number Four, the last book in Daniel. Warren Johnson's post apocalyptic wonder woman series It's anywhere. Johnson. Writing it and doing the artwork with Mike Spicer colors ro-, Ross wooden on letters. The appeal for this book is Daniel. Johnson's shing this in an oversized sort of magazine sized format to get these big pages, biggles, double page spreads, and it looks lovely. The last issue issue three. I found really sort of disappointing or underwhelming. You find out in that book because again it's post apocalyptic wants the last hero left in issue through you find out what happened to Superman specifically what how Superman in one room and had a falling out and I won't spoil anything but. What one woman does feel so wildly out of character. That I. Really. Didn't work for me. that said I'm enjoying the artwork individual the book enough, and it's only four issues. So I gotTa grab the Fourth One I. Guess. But I'm just hoping that Daniel Johnson will be able to pull out a surprising satisfying ending given some very strange out of characteristic actions from wonder woman, the titular character. So it's a mixed bag. It's one of those books that. Maybe we'll hold better reread but. A book I'm just a buying simply for the visual aesthetic appeal at this point I guess. Is this one of those like wonder woman not in character things like when fifteen-year-olds spoilers snapped. Neck and everyone was like. Why is that really wonder woman is that does it like that level or is it more like oh DC? You did that thing again where you're just changing wonder woman because that's what you do every day. No I guess more of the first without giving too much away. It's Yeah it's. Something that. It's dramatic in it's shocking and it fills. It's just there to be dramatic and shocking as opposed to be fitting in the narrative refitting with the characters. So I don't know. Again I like Daniel warned Johnson's our work enough to kind of maybe overlook that if nothing else, it'll be a pretty book to to read so. Okay let's take a very quick break. We'll be back with our topic for this week, which is comics we didn't think we would like. unpack all of that when you come back shortly. I forgot to mention this or neglected to mention this at the top. It is two hundred and fifty episode. We would not have two hundred, fifty episodes of a weren't for the support from our listeners. So I want to say, special thank you to all of you who are listening especially our friends over on discord. We have great time talking with all view and our Patriot supporters who give us a little bit. Of their hard-earned money to keep the show running and for bonus episodes. So if you're not on that, be sure to check out our patriot, we really appreciate it and again, thank you to everyone. We were talk about comics with each other regardless, but it's nice to know that other people like to listen to us do it. So thanks again for two hundred fifty episodes. Hey, guys how about two hundred fifty more sound. I mean, for sure at this time when we're all just in our homes we need. Energy now more than ever. Exactly exactly. So Again I want to say thank you to everybody for listening. Our topic for this episode is an interesting one. It's kind of a slight contrast to all of the comforting comics we were talking about earlier. We're GONNA talk about comics. We didn't think we would like, but I'm assuming the implications comics we ended up liking regardless so. The idea of pushing ourselves out of our comfort zone trying a book that maybe at first glance looking at the cover or some our work or whatever. We didn't think we would enjoy but we challenge ourselves we read it and we enjoyed it. I had a hard time thinking of Steph. So I'm wondering if either of you two had books at jumped right to the front of your mind when you heard this topic. comes. Well, Kate seems much more sure of herself than I am so case. Again. So the first thing that jumped to my mind is superhero comics would you might make me a book hipster? Like. No I don't WanNa read those. But I've read. A handful of them. For. Difference reading challenges or books of the month or a special episode on the podcast or something and I I ended up enjoying animal man by Jeff Lemire. Travel Hormann and I mean like the whole the red scenes from DC's degree in the red and the rot mythology made my skin crawl. So. There were definitely parts that were not for me but in general I've read this two years ago and I'm still thinking about it because it was it was a lot. Difference than I had really gone expecting there. There was a lot more. Nuance as to Morality. And like the main character wasn't sure of himself quite quite a bit. Once you guy into pass volume one and so it kind of it kind of broke the expectation of. The is like larger than life characters have their own series or have have been seen across multiple books are always sure always tough always morally correct, and just the nuance was was really new new to me with this kind of book. So I I actually might read more. With in inside the CDC Lake Creation? Mythology. My in particular I'm kind of interested in reading the swamp thing. Especially after watching the show. Can. I just tangent for a moment. please. I I just read a book all about Fungi, and I'm so sorry to be terrible on titles but I continue to be terrible on titles. But there's like this this new book that came out that is all about fungi and how we don't really know a lot about fungi and we're starting to learn more about fungi and a big part of this book was talking about how actually scientists have proven that. tiny little. networks of like microscopic guy do connect all of the plants and that plants can actually transfer nutrients and like messages not in the way that like we send messages but in like a plant way of sending messages through this network of fungi to other plants. And the whole time I was reading this book I was like does does DC know that the green is real. It's probably a little more nuanced than they think it is but holy crap. Science fiction becomes science fact we've seen it before so. That's interesting. I think entangled life it's called entangled life it's by. Get this the author's name is Merlin Sheldrick. MADE UP Who else would be writing a book about fun guy and how it connects our entire world true. Who I'm glad that Merlin found true calling then because that sounds like the perfect book for him to write I. Guess. It's interesting. You mentioned that Kate because. I've kind of couple thoughts here. Those books are less. Super heroic quote unquote and they're more sort of horror books have a different angle to the genre I think and I, I think if you're someone, it's always interesting to talk to people who didn't read comics as a kid weren't into superheroes because that was my whole experience. So would ever different angle you have to come at superheroes with to kind of find them. Interesting I think Hor is kind of a common one. You know the idea of body horror or having powers the unknown that's a good angle to get into the the grand mythology, super? Heroes. Yeah I another one that I read that's kind of Superhero E or I I know that animal man isn't really like a- Batman or superman or anything like that. But he's like a a reoccurring character is as far as I know he at least has shown up another books so. Is Your and he's always kind of been or the past thirty years or so he's been a character that is. Sort of written as being slightly outside of that I mean grant Morrison's animal man run from the late eighties is fantastic because he does take that character and really change it and change your expect expectations of the Superhero Comic. So he wanted more animal animal man it's not as horrific as the Jeff Mirror travel form and stuff, but it is using animal man in. A very different way than you normally use a superhero told the story. So I think, I, think part of it's also like so many of the DC heroes in particular are are on teams very often an animal man is not generally a character that I think of as being associated with any one particular team like his stories are very much his stories and not like. Justice Society stories you know. Another one that I was kind of surprised by a was under the Moon, a cat woman tale by Lawrence Lauren Miracle and this I was just so I was thinking cat woman, and then again, my mind immediately went to how women are interacts with Batman in particular and like I don't know if she has anything to do with the justice? League. But basically the rest of the DC universe and I was I was thinking okay I've heard a lot of really great things about these readers that I trust have recommended it. but I, don't really want to get into like this whole larger world of DC for this one book, and that's not what it is at all under the moon is more of like a y coming of age book that released stands on its own and shows like the development of the character from a young age. She hasn't even I don't even think she meets anybody else that we would have heard about in this book. Yeah and again, I think those those young adult novels or graphic novels. DC doing now. Grace to do that because they're out of continuity, they're introducing some familiar characters in a different context different light. So it you it's. It's a fun way to sneak superheroes into an audience. Maybe wouldn't early pick up a regular comic from DC up so I I find that with a lot of the cat woman stories they especially in the last two, three decades, they have tried to make her more of a standalone characters. You don't necessarily need to know about the rest of the DC universe when reading a lot of cat-woman content because you're like, uh, she's the sexy Heist Lady I could get into that. There's much more to her than just being the sexiest Katie nothing against that because that's great. I. Don't know I can't woman is like my favorite character but that's like the shortest way of describing what she generally is in the context of the DC you. Exactly exactly. Yeah. That's interesting. So as I mentioned earlier like I'm someone that came into comics reading superheroes, specifically D, C Comics Superhero. So There's a lot of marvel stuff that I just ignored over the years and part of One of the things about doing this show is getting the here Mike Rap and talk about the X. men a lot. So I've slowly slowly did my toes into x men comics. I always assumed I wouldn't like them or be invested in them on a certain degree. Again I came of age during the nineties comic boom were X. men were literally everywhere the arcade game the cartoon the movies were on the horizon, the comics everywhere, and I just never really clicked with the characters that much Obviously think again, grant Morrison's take on the characters which kind the first big stuff I read was his new x men books, which, of course, most fans don't like I ended up really liking. And then in the past few years, I've gone back and actually read Aloud Chris Claremont and John Byrne x-men stuff from the late seventies early eighties and I found myself really enjoying it. It's one of those things where my initial hesitation was I don't really care about these characters turned into she these really interesting if you have the right angle on them and then. To that extent. I did read all Jonathan Hickman's house of X. Powers Ten stuff and I didn't continue what that passed the the mini series itself but I ended up finding that take on the character is really interesting because it felt fresh indifferent as opposed to the my assumption was that all excellent stories are exactly the same. But if they have a different fresh take take on characters that you think you know. So for me. I was thinking about this. I have you know. A few years ago I read the Manga Series One punch man. And it is. If if you haven't heard of the series, one punch man is I think it's five issues but like Manga style. So each issue is like. Six sixty eighty pages. I'm just making up numbers guys I. Don't know. But it's a shonen style Manga, which are generally marketed towards like teenage boys and shown in style. Manga tend to have more lake fighting action and one punch man was described as like this is a dude who just he he can knock anybody out with one punch and I'm like well early like fighting and normally when I read markets like the show Joe Mongo, which is more marketed towards like young or adolescent girls and everything's very freely and Sparkley, and this just seems like not my thing. And Reading One Punch man was kind of like. Experiencing a sort of epiphany of clarity like you know when you're having like a really a Chore Laden or Exercise. Heavy Day maybe you're hiking up a mountain when you're not physically fit for that and you just are covered in like dirt and sweat and Grime, and all you WanNa do is take a shower and the second you step out of that shower you just feel like you're a new person that is the experience that reading one punch man brought to me I. Left book feeling like I was cleansed like the Clare, the specific specificity and succinctness of the storytelling had caused me to be reborn in my appreciation of the comic book. Medium and. told me that going into this story I would've been like Nah and it's all about a dude who just punches people where's the fun in that? I read it and I was like, oh Oh. Oh I. See I see why this is popular. So that was something that I did not expect to like at all, and then I came out of it being like I have seen the light. Yeah. That's an interesting point too because I admittedly you've read very little if any Mongo, and part of that is that. I don't know aesthetics or something, but the genre seems daunting to me in a way that it shouldn't be. It should be approached by picks up I mean to be fair your experience with Manga is like. Rene who who mostly reads Manga and very committed to it and Mike who has decided to read one piece, which is like a thousand issues. Young Manga could be intimidating. But? The ability or the drive to just try something. Knowing, that it might not click for you. Think that's what we're talking about this topic right? They deal pushing so far their comfort zone saying, okay I don't normally like Manga. But this sounds appealing. Even if story wise, it might not work for me I'm going to give it a shot. You might be surprised and I think that's been tough for me to do with Manga opposed I've been willing to do that with other genres of comics. You know. Most Times it is. Somebody that I trust giving personal recommendation that pushes me to read something like that you know not to not to really double dip here but the the recent Minnie's owed that nick and I did where I made him read Archie and he made me read valley and I genuinely enjoy bloodshot reborn and the first like ten pages of that book I was like. I don't know nick this is like. Superhero, be level, trash. It seems pretty generic, but it wasn't and I found myself at the end of the first volume being like. More of this, which is not something I would have thought like it's like the whole thing is it's this soldier who just keeps reforming his molecules and he solves his problems with guns, but he's not the punisher kids and I think because with bloodshot reborn, they were like all right this dude, and here's his powers plot twist. He doesn't have his powers and it just made me feel like I could jump right in and know what was going on and they and they did enough interesting things with the story where I was like, okay I have picked this up had not told me to read it but I'm glad I have read it and will probably continue to read it. There you go. I. Think Kate, you also had. Some examples of Connex may content wise in terms of the violence would didn't seem appealing but he ended up breaking yeah. Really recently actually for both of these, I'm not really attracted to super violent comics. I remember I can't even remember what the title was at this plant but at one point I had been going through some some comics Mike Crap head and I'm like all of these comics have to be good because Mike's them and then one or two of them in particular were just like fifty percent blood on every panel. So, that really turned me off to any kind of extreme violence and comex, but recently, I finally read the warlords of Appalachia by Philip Kennedy Johnson, and I had heard I kept hearing about this this book and act showed up on Hoopla and I wasn't sure that I was going to like it because the cover shows a muscular man holding a bow and Arrow with burning buildings in the background and I was like everything about this is things that I don't like But I read it and it turns out that the story actually involves the guy that's just trying to help his family and his neighbor is and avoid this fascist government. So it Kinda it Kinda, hit close to home in some ways. especially because there's a segment of the population in it, that's that's diseased. But I enjoyed the the setting and the very muscular man on the cover is actually I don't know. He's a good guy that wants to be left alone and he gets caught in a bad situation and then some of the supporting characters. Really tugged at my heartstrings so that one was actually ended up being something that I liked a lot interest and then I finally read the Old Guard which I think you've talked about Paul that one's by Greg Rock only Leandra. Fernandez and I read it to see if I wanted to watch the adaptation I can't remember if it's a TV or a movie obviously, it should be a show though there's more there. Yeah. So I was expecting more of like a tough regimented military based on like the cover and the title. which again shows you know there's a weapon in the middle of of the cover but the characters are all really unique in everybody. All of the characters have different types of relationships with one another that are all very different like not just lake. For a token difference, but they're like. I, don't know thousands of years old. So these relationships real deep and I definitely ended up crying a little bit all over over some of these relationships. And what happened to them and so yeah, it was it was a very different book. The now was inspected that that I was expecting. Actually have not read that I wonder who is the person that recommended it that's one too bad to my list. So I do normally like Ruckus I will have to check that out. I wonder who? who wasn't a necklace worn it was you. I think there's a interesting sub topic here, which may be after table for another episode is how much easier who has made all of this? New Books that I normally would not by money by spend money on but I have read and fall in love with because of Hoopla. SO THAT'S A. Subtext here. Agree. An exam. On Paul. I was going GonNa. Say an example of that is Gideon Falls, Bhai Jeff Mirror in Andrea Tino, which again nick made me read for Book Versus Book Episode. And also helps suing the stuff having friends recommend self challenging. Stuff we don't. Exactly exactly the thing here is that I've never clicked with Jeff lemire stuff. I. Thought that I don't like it but I've never found it that engaging outside of his Ex's Essex Trilogy series early comics he did about growing up in Canada. I absolutely loved that trilogy but most of stuff he's written particularly superheroes self never click for me but getting falls I, guess, Nick New my love of twin peaks enough to know a book that. Borrows a lot of the dreamlike. Narrative aspects of David Lynch's twin peaks and puts into a comic. kind of worked for me. It does again help that the new show on Hoopla, and I'm all the pop up on my list read that way as opposed to the tracking down the single issues. So that book was a surprise I think in surtees team, our does help again. Which is another topic? I think. Artwork is so important. I find it easier to read an underwhelming story with amazing our work as opposed to a great story with underwhelming or off putting our work. There's something to that dynamic to me, but there might be another topic for another show well. What a what an excellent segue to my next book. Paul You know there's that kind of like. Eighties nineties. indie. Action Comic Book Style where it's like kind of rough and sketched out almost yeah. I got two books that fall into that category that again we're recommended to me. By somebody I trusted when it comes to comic books and I would never in a million years have picked them up revenge by Charles foresman. And Cobra by Fiat. and. So revenge for is a very. simple plot excellent execution revenge about this woman who essentially looks like Grace Jones who is like I will like if you hire me I will get revenge on people for you. She is the revenge and so the book is like Very Bloody Gritty action oriented. But in a way that's like area chaining and extremely well executed and if you had just said like if I had been like walking by Charles fours, men's table at a COMECON insane. His work I would've walked right by but because somebody I knew said read this book I did and I was like, yeah, this is awesome. Because I was judging by the art. Yeah. That's interesting because I I love Charles foresman because I read the end of the fucking world his book that he did early on, which again was turned into a Netflix series I loved comics so much revenge your felt. So radically different from that book, but ended up vendors as well because of his artwork in his cartooning pacing, there's something NFL ineffable about the way he paces action in that book. So it's supposed to look like an eighties action movie, but there's A. There's a weirdness to it. I can't explain it but it's a really striking book visually because of that. Yeah and I kind of I, kind of group in Coporo with revenge because it felt to me like that same kind of. Like eighties early nineties slick spare lines, grittiness cobras more. Like If you liked. Justice League, international or any like offbeat Quirky Superhero team books were everyone is just like one bad day away from Lake murdering their teammates. It's it's like that kind of thing and again like art style and plot wise I probably wouldn't have picked it up but like one issue was enough to sell me on like oh Michelle van knows what he's doing has a very clear vision. He's executing that vision and it works. Yep. That's another one I was sold immediately as soon. I saw there was so visually striking to me that style it's. It's Steve did co esque with a bunch of Marshall Rogers style in it in like that cross section works for me and then I'm reading a few issues of copra and then going and reading the John Australian Jer suicide squad from the eighty s, and then realize copra is a straight up or Marsha that book. So it kind of clicks on the boxes for me but I imagine a lot of people that might not be instantly appealing it is it is very suicide squad, and again as Paul said, it's it's the the eighties comic, not the movie the very. Different continue to forget about the movie. I do I go ahead. I well so while thinking about this topic. I founded easier actually to think about. Books that I was told I was supposed to like and didn't actually like, for example. you know all those lists of. Of Best Comics and graphic novels that you should read when I was younger, I read watchman because everyone said you have to read watch men if you're like a real nerd or whatever, and you know I I I, understand that that book is a masterwork I don't like it. I. I don't like watching it I said. I'm going to save space you can. I mean, I I love the HBO Sequel That was very well done but like. The watchmen graphic novel I'm like I understand this good. It is not for me. Yeah and I think you know we hinted at that earlier the idea of recognizing craft in something but it might not grab you emotionally or intellectually. I think that's that's a common thing like I. Think it might be a topic for another episode and we have talked about the problems of there being a canonical group of comics that are supposed to be read like that's problematic in not helpful. I will say I read watchmen when I was fifteen fifteen I loved it, and then reading it again, you at twenty five or thirty five, it's diminishing returns but I think that's that's part of just art in general you come to it with you know different expectations. When revisit stuff that maybe not works for you at that age so A big topic of. A. Books have failed to meet your expectations so As for one more example, honestly the first book I thought of when I was doing this. was. Scott Pilgrim by Brian Leo Maui. Okay Because when I got back into reading comics regularly in two, thousand, seven, two, thousand, eight, that was the new kid on the block though the hottest book around everyone was saying how great it was an every sort of example. Or sample I would see it was just to look to be about video games and few things in the world I find less interesting than video games so. That books probably not for me. The Manga influence the art style didn't look appealing the the video game references the win over my head or didn't work for me, and then it was years later they finally went and read it because you got all the vibes from in the library and I can't say I loved it. But I found it more interesting in nuance and complex than I had assumed and I had the exact same experience with the movie as well which I only saw very very recently for the first time. So. That's a book that again I don't think I'll go back and reread it beliefs. I can say I took a chance tried it and I found more interesting than I expected to. It's like when when I read that book, I found it enjoyable but I have not revisited it and the more I think of the concept the more I'm like this dude is just like Archie Andrews like how is this idiot getting all these cute girls like So unrealistic because I'm like man, you're not even trying we have standards alot and it just as like Oh dude wrote this. The whole idea of. A book where the title character, the titular character, the main character and narrator essentially is completely unlikeable. That's a really tough sell for me personally. So that's a big hurdle. There's a lot of books where that's a major turnoff kind of stop reading. It's like if I don't like the character, how much was being gauged with the story and? I think Brian Lavallee does enough interesting stuff in there and I do think the comic is more nuanced than the movie obviously because it's a lot longer but. Yeah it it ended up being surprising to me given my initial hesitation because of the VR sow in the completely unlikeable character of Scott. Pilgrim I saw an amazing tweet earlier this week that was like. If. You have ever been compared to Ramona flowers you might be entitled to financial compensation. Yes the. The whole genre of the Manic Pixie dreamgirls also problematic to me but luckily again, I I think both the comic and the movie Ramona Flowers is more complex than Maybe, you'd expect on first glance so. Yeah again I think. Does anybody have any other examples they WANNA shout out before we start to wrap things up here I think the. The this is a very appropriate topic for a a milestone episode because what are we talking about? If not how we have learned in grown as humans together on this comic reading journey. Yes good point. Good Point Carol. So? Yeah. 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Interview with Russell Lissau

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20:15 min | 4 months ago

Interview with Russell Lissau

"Chance vorontsov i never russell lasalle russell. Welcome to the show. Thanks think it's great to see again. Oh it's really good to see you what it's been at least a year at this point with kobe. We've been a little isolated. Russell used to come to We did these live micro cons and you were a regular there. You and i love us. Oh they were great. They were great. I have. I have audio. That i can never share. Because he told some stories roy for air. But here's a good. What a lot of fun ones. So yeah man. I'm just really excited to see you again to get you on here so you have a new book. But before we talk about this book spoiler. I loved Tell people about yourself a little bit so they know why you're on here sure. Well thanks for having again robin. It's good to see everybody in this year of the plague I'm russell this out. I'm comic book writer. I've been writing comic for fifteen years. Rob can you believe fifteen years craze everything from the batman to strawberry shortcake to shrek to the critically acclaimed thriller old wounds. That came out. Somebody reminded be five years ago this year. Oh wow wounds came out. I think i picked it up a year ago. That's how i'll behind the times i was. What a great book. Thank you i appreciate it and we are promoting this week and and absolutely excited about a new miniseries co hard ways that we are Self publishing through our own double down comics. And it's the great. Femi artist sean. Richardson letter josh. Southall and colorist. Juan romera so this is a limited series. How many issues gonna end up being. It'll be a five issue mini theories and then collected of course into a trade and hopefully hardcover and yeah hopefully because i would definitely want that So tell me You say it's a miniseries is one and done like five issues in your out or do you see a universe expanding out of this no it is it is a self contained. Crime story Very much like old wounds west. The hard ways is the story of kidnapping in las vegas. And as you can imagine in any Caper story everything goes wrong for everybody involved Not just the kidnap victim but for his abductors as well and The the the The abs praise. I'm sorry blank on the advanced praises terrific. We're getting some great reviews in great word of mouth from people My dad who is not a comic book fan at all. Read the first issue yesterday and went. Where's the rest of it. I want to know the rest of it. It is a great cliffhanger. Gotta tell you as. I was reading it i. I'm not spoiling anything. But as i was reading it i knew i knew it. Not just what the betrayal was. But i knew like something's wrong with this person right. I would have got there. The artwork was excellent. You You had said what's it gonna wanna spoil anything but you kind of had the The the trick hidden down at the bottom of the frame. So i like who's this. Oh yes. I loved that. This guy i got to tell you. I'm reading right now. i'm on Volume for of criminal. Excellent and this is reminding me of criminal. That's high praise because men it as much as i'm enjoying that i read this. I'm like oh i need this. I need this. Go with my criminal stuff here. Stray bullets is another one. That's like that. That i just like i can't get enough of. I think you've tapped into something here. Thank you the the big influences for me. i've always been a crime fiction and when i discovered that they were crime. Comics Was back when one hundred bullets came out at a huge fan of one hundred hundred bullets. Do that opened my eyes. The vertigo series that i ever collected that really my eyes to the fact that comics were more than if some gals. Yeah and you you see look. I've stolen from brian's writing style liberally through my career not content but the way he paces a story the way he writes prison. Story and Brubaker does that really well in criminal to that. It's a slow burn throughout criminal and if if you're into buying four now wait till you get volume. Five is volume. Bible your mind. Yeah because volume four is blowing my mind right now. I'm so i'm so invested in this story. Yeah and You know there's a funny thing that happened in it. Where started thinking. They were separate stories with a loose thread. And there was just one panel. That told me. This is all connected. Yeah so now. i'm really so. I i of five is where that all all those threads come together but man. It's it's excellent. This reminded me of that. In fact as i was reading this I know that you had mentioned you. Know if you're a fan of of ocean's eleven if you're a fan of you know. I think you said elmore leonard i'm like. Yeah this is. This is right in there. This is a jackie brown type of story. Got these these characters that are people you could make. But they're still crazy characters. Yeah but they're they're normal people like you're tapping into that normalcy. But how how interesting they are. This is the first series that have written. That doesn't have a traditional hero. Either i mean. He's got a protagonist. The kidnap victim is really the protagonist of the story. But he's not really a good guy you no that guy. He's not a tony soprano bill. But he's a flawed individual. He's got a gambling problem. We've got a woman is in gravel. yep And i think the reader's going to is going to empathize or him in sympathize with him along with other characters in the story that you meet as the story goes along i i'll tell you haven't met everybody yet. I'm sure the end of issue. One there are characters to come. Who or you're going to love. Yeah i felt like i was I was just getting a little entry here. I i love it that it's five issues so you're twenty percent into the story now and the way it ends is no script writing at the twenty percent mark. That's usually lake here. We go and that's how it left me. I just went. Oh my gosh what is about to happen. And i can tell tell him not going to get all the answers in issue to either the trick with any good crime fiction comic Or mystery comic and each issue on a cliffhanger and john gibbons did that marvelously well i think with old wounds it definitely on sean and i definitely do that with the hardest You're going to get to the end of each issue and everything is up in the air. You know everything is turned on its head and it makes you want to pick up the next issue. Yeah that's that's how i felt here. I did want to point out yet. A nice little easter egg in there to darwin sitting at the table there. I was like oh yeah. As soon as i saw the name i went. I know who that this wouldn't have happened without darwin. Tuck his parker novels. The graphic novel adaptations Were such a tremendous influence on the crime writing that i do okay and he was through those parkersburg numbers and i discovered his work and i became a tremendous fan And i had the meeting. Darwin and his wife marcia at mega con- in orlando in twenty fifteen only a year or so before he died and we had a wonderful conversation at the hotel bar. it was time for good story. This is against knowing. I always have time for a good story russell. Let's hear it so i. I'm i had gone to mega con- with the new park hardcover in my travel back. Okay it was. It was the second one Just come out and that was going to be the book. I read in the plane so it in my carry on bag the hotel. I'm waiting to check into the hotel. It's a beautiful hotel of looking around. And darwin and marsha or in line behind you dr sure and i wanted to talk to him. I want to give him the book to sign nuts. But i know that he's just traveled from channa and i just got off the plane and were both probably really exhausted. So wait and i don't bother and i check in and go my way. And he goes his way will the next day. I'm at the hotel bar and on the other side of the bar is darwin. Cook and i'm with. I'm with a friend of mine and teller. You know who who that is. and why. i'm i'm star trek. I never get starstruck. And she says look if you go talk to them. I will and i i go over to introduce myself. Mr cooke muscle lasalle. I'm a writer at me for a while. I'm writing crime comics. Now i want you to know. What a terrific influence. You are and thank you for your work. And he looked me up and down and he's kind of gruff looking guy he looks like a film. Newark air okay. Look me up and down and goes give us a hug. And i give them a hug and we share a beard. He introduced me to marcia and was it was really really sweet. And we talk for a few minutes And you know. Unfortunately he passed away not long after that traffic and it's still very resents. Yeah when you think about creators who left the world early and the art that they could have gone on to produce sherman twenty years. Thirty years worth of work left in. Yeah and what would have been very influential work to yes. Tremendous work the rest of the parkers series for starters and and and it was very sad and and i think that a lot and as i was writing this i knew what i wanted to introduce a character and he certain way There's a female character in the series. Who i wanted to introduce has had a very conniving being in very much a gold digger but an opportunist yes And then she was going to be talking to somebody at the bar and then go leave to offer protagonist. And that's the thing with me. And i just dropped on the idea of darwin. Cook sitting at that par and there. They're actually three other. Easter ranks in that scene have to look the other. The other people sitting with him at the bar. Are jimmy body frontier and amanda conner. All that's fit stick. And i reached out to the three of them and to marcia cook to make sure that was okay. That use their likenesses in the story. Sure all loved it. And i and i communicated with them. And and jimmy breaker friends too. So i i wasn't really concerned about out then but i i sent him the script. I sent them the black white collar at the military treasure that they came with each step of the way and Fortunately i had the blessing and we have that scene Which is really just a one page. Oh mosh gosh to you know this man who had such a such an incredible body of work in such a really short time in comets and such a great influence on me so i was happy to put that in I love it and you know i. I gotta say somebody who didn't know your history with darwin. I knew as soon as i saw that. I knew who it was and it was like it. Really got calls a rush. Which is what you want. You want it to be attributed you want people to go. Oh totally worked on me. Okay russell we got a couple of things first before we go any further. Where can people pick up. The hard ways will this is derived Starting november first book will be available at three online stores I mind which is russell. Death lozano square dot site. And i'll spell that for you. I'd have a sign or something it's r. u. s. s. e. l. l. Dads list out. Alliances a you dot square dot site and it's also available at the square sites for sean. Richardson are artists Which is wonder realm dot square outside and josh southall dot com can also get a deer soon while we don't know how soon because we don't control this it will also be available on konczal as as a comics. -nology submit download excellent diversion. You get it our stores if digital We're releasing this as dram free digital download because there are no comic cons right now as point in printing a book that we can't sell to people so for right now we're releasing it. Digitally ecology story will be the twenty page issue. Number one in probably be priced at ninety nine cents or a dollar ninety nine I don't think it'd be figured that out yet. And that should be available with any luck within the next couple months. I'm going through the senate process now. Sure as a sunday as of november. I you can buy a thirty eight page special edition. Which has the full twenty page story. A ton of bonus stuff the full script character designs essays. Vermillion sean really wonderful experts that you'll only be able to get in the digital version from our down our online stores crate. And would what's great about that version. Which by the way will be five dollars Which great about that version is. Its dram free so you can download it as a pdf and read it however you wanna read it online. Sure sure excellent Another thing. I will put this stuff in the show notes. I will put links to where people can buy this stock so that will help So if you wanna buy. You didn't have a pen out. We'll make sure they're in the show. Notes also will put your social media in the show notes. Is there any social media. Wanna give out while we're talking you know i'm i'm on twitter. Were all on twitter My twitter handle is at our lasalle. And i'm on facebook as about this Facebook dot com slash Russell now okay to remember. i'm trying to remember. There was a period or a gas in there. Either maybe a period between my personal life. We'll make it easy. We'll get we'll get right and we'll put it in the shouts. That'll make it really easy because i doubt anyone's listening like oh yeah better tightness into my phone right now The look at those show notes and hit the link so we got time for one. I hate to short change this question. Because i know you're going to have a good answer but i have an appointment after this. I'm going to have to change you. But i want this answer. It's covert we. Don't have our cons right now. So now we're creating a dream khan and this. This stretches all time and space. Who would be the number one person would wanna meet with. Be the number one person who i would wanna. Yes agree question. What creator in this business. Who to creator. who. I haven't met yet all time and space on time and space you want a. It's hard because i've been doing this a long time. Plus pleasant my job as a reporter. I've met a lot of my comic book heroes shirt i've met tim saying i'm friends with tim sale. I've i've met stanley. I've interviewing stanley sure I would really like to sit down with neil gaiman. i- i i've met neil. He actually came to chicago. One of his comics was adapted into play in the nineties And i sat a couple seats away from him. And we never talked okay. And and i was lucky to be the story of your life russell. You're always two feet away from somebody and you don't talk to. I would love to sit down and have a chat with game just about comics and writing and tell them how much he's influenced me of course but also to to learn from the master. I think that'd be raped yet for. I think that's an excellent answer. In fact i would love to get him on this show. I guarantee you won't be a fifteen minute interview. If i make that happen while russell. That's a great answer. Thank you so much for being on everybody by the hard ways. Support this and when you're ready to that hardcover and you have a crowdfunding for it. Which i'm assuming you will know and we'll have you on go fund this and what people know about that too so that people can support that. Because i'm sure you will have fans once they start reading this. They're going to want to support this project downgrade. 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Episode 229 | Finding deeper meaning in comic art

I Read Comic Book

1:00:51 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 229 | Finding deeper meaning in comic art

"This is the I read comic books. Podcast I'm your host Mike Rapin and with me. This week are to just spectacular human beings. Nick White Hey. Hey Hey thank you both for joining this week. I am very excited to be back. It's twenty twenty baby. I I feel like there should be air horns and confetti in my my house that I'm going to be cleaning up for the next three to six months. It's a big year. We ended the year with my friend. Dahmer I guess. We started the year technically with my friend Dahmer but this week we're back back to a regular show. I'm so excited to just be talking about comic books. I've started a big deep dive into something but we'll get into that in a second but the question I'm going to ask is the same one that I asked all through two thousand nineteen and before it's how have you been how of comic books been. Let's start with you Tia. I feel like I'm already over. Twenty twenty to be honest with you. Could it be because half of the world is on fire. I've just wanted something else already. Tired Okay and so I was like thinking about how in two thousand nineteen I really kind of stopped reading marvel comics and I used to be such a marvel fan girl. You know like the all new. All Marvel now adjectives. You know I was there for that and then I feel like they kind of ended without a win. A bunch of those creators left marvel all for greener pastures in their creator owned lives. I kind of just got bored of Marvel and so I was like what are they up to lately. A lot of people on twitter later were saying how much they loved. Hawkeye freefall number. One by Matt Rosenberg. Auto Schmitz I was like I love Hawkeye. You know like fractured in a Hawkeye. That was like a uh a really important book for me just in terms of like bringing me into the comic book world you know. Throw rule and a lot of people are saying that they got from this books. I checked it out and I'm just like why am I reading marvel books again. I'm like why I don't know I I WANNA love. I WANNA believe but I was just kind of like yeah. Yeah that's Akai book are a kind of an remarkable but then on the other hand I'm lake. It's sort of amazing that the fraction and a hot hawkeye like basically basically invented Hawkeye. You know and now that concept that seemed so original and seems to really like you know pushed the idea of superheroes and and like storytelling obstr- Superhero storytelling. That like it just seems kind of you've wrote now in a way I feel like Hawkeye is still such a blank slate. And you know like Matt Rosenberg is obviously very talented writer. and I wonder if it's like marvel editorial that's just like yeah give us more fraction Hawkeye or like what was the deal like. I want to see another original Hawkeye. Take and I feel like Rosenberg is the dude you a and whereas my original Mukai Take I. It's interesting to hear that because I they would've thought that I mean I haven't read a lot of major marvel books outside of X.. Men So like my my understanding what how things have changed is is very unknown. But but it's interesting to hear that there wasn't hasn't been any kind of major growth for that character. You'd think that years later that someone would have been like. Yeah fractions fraction. Talk I but then this other thing on top of that growing the character adding more to this whole. He's he's he's deaf and this is a part of his character now. It's not just something we hint at women. It's it's relevant on surprise. No it's all like what was happening in. This book is out There's like someone is using the ronin costume costume to do bad things and so like Bucky and Sam Path delake pay Hawkeye of visit to be like. Is this you. And he's like no yeah and then like he's also dealing with Like a bad guy. I forget what he calls himself because it was like. I was actually surprised at how annoyed I was by talkie some of the scenes were in this book like there was a lot of words in this book. And I. I feel like if you're GONNA do fraction a hawk I like you know David made as much of a mark on that as fractions wins like tone dead and I felt like the the like I wanted more from the art style and I wanted less words words. It was fine. It was a perfectly fine. It was a perfectly fine marvel superhero book. There were one liners. It was quickey. It was charming charming. The Art told it story. But I feel like you know your your your own worst enemy without character marvel. 'cause you set the bar high and now yeah you have to do better. Yeah Yeah that's that's interesting to hear because again I think to your point. I've seen it all over twitter. It's Kelly Thompson constantly re tweeting tweets about it. I mean look at that. We all love these creators and know that they're so capable of doing cool shit and I just like I don't know no of Marvel is letting people play with their toys in to the fullest. Their abilities interesting. I you're you're not the first person to say that about the marvel and particularly also star wars properties which is interesting. Just say we don't have to get into that. I think that Brian and Carrie just did an entire series about that. So we'll interesting I. Maybe maybe I'll try this just to just to get a fuller picture of what you're describing because it it does sound interesting but I i. It feels like it might be a book that might be better in trade. Maybe we'll see we'll see what nick what about you what he'd been reading. How have you been all Legesse? Let's it's just funny when you guys were talking about The Marvel editorial not let them play with their toys. All I could think of was that SNL Like Star Wars skit. We're the kids are like. I want to play with the toys and then like the older star. Wars fans are like. Let's keep it in the box. That's like I figured. That's like a pretty good analogy for perhaps it's going going on but yeah yeah things are things are okay. I mean all things considered The fact that all the dingoes in the wallabies in the Koalas or being set on fire and and were massively approaching global armed conflict perhaps and so maybe starting off the year with my friend. Dahmer where you have a slow set warning signs that escalate into something uncontrollable and evil. Maybe that was the perfect book to begin with. I don't know Beyond that things things have been okay. I recently read My heroes have always been junkies. That's written by Ed Brubaker. Art By Sean Phillips and colors by Sean Son Jacob Phillips So this is a novella that ties into the larger criminal universe It came out in October of twenty. Eighteen I read on Hoopla because seventy nine page original graphic novels that cost seventeen dollars. exist on that a plane of wealth alongside like Bugatti and lamb bows and Caviar that's wrapped in twenty four karat gold and then wrapped in more caviar. So Oh like poop. Low is the way to go for this book. I I waited it out Haynick didn't you pay that same amount for alien salvation which was about the same size. Yes S. but that was Mike Magnolia in aliens. We're not going to have that conversation I already you got friends. Sorry so it. It is worth noting that I haven't read all of criminal in what I did was roughly about three years ago. I don't remember all of it that well I sort of understand where the connection interest rate woes to the larger universe. But it certainly didn't keep me from kind of appreciating the whole book It's largely about this woman named Ellie She's been placed in Rehab by her uncle on quote We find out that her addict mother died ten years before In that Elliott has sort of obsessed in report over this mix tape that her mother sent to her father when her father was in jail and all of the music on the mix tape has a a certain commonality commonality which is the fact that all of the musicians on Were all drug addicts I don't remember member if they all died or not but it was people like Gram Parsons and Billie holiday. And it's sort of. It's interesting because the book tries to walk the line between I'm Elliott pointing out okay. A lot of these artists produced their best work while on drugs But kind of weighing this alongside the ugly accompanying factors Ah Go with addiction as well. As sort of the draconian rules that the government imposes on those who partaken in you know in in substances and and and the book also obviously discusses the idea that there's a different penalty for broke drug offenders versus rich drug offenders. which is whether you go to jail or whether you you get to sit in a in a nice house with other rich people so it's If follows this idea that there's kind of like a meet cute when she's there she needs this male Person WHO's the same age And for while sort of looks like a Fox searchlight quirky like quote unquote how to Caucasian Trust Fund. Kids find each other in Rehab kind of movie in the thing is I think we all know about like four four or five of those at this point but then don't forget. This is the criminal universe which means things are going to take a twist for the worse. the biggest thing I would want on a point out is that we do have Phillips and Brubaker working with Phillips son instead of Elizabeth Breitweiser who would normally normally be there collaborator on criminal as well as some of their other things yeah It took me while to get used to that because I think breitweiser really elite gave things more solid darker realistic lived in tones. Gave things much more of a realistic portrayal in I think with Phillips you have more subdued Pastel colors kind of blotchy coloring Like a brush strokes I really like it. I'm totally okay with it. It reminds me of thirteen for some reason But certainly I think some people are going to be thrown off by it. What's interesting about that book is as I think that? They were intentionally going for stylized color Palette. They weren't necessarily trying to mimic some of the other coloring styles that were done in previous criminal books. I think they really wanted to go with this. More stylized color. Look because I've seen other work that a Jacob Phillips's done he doesn't usually do do things this wild and crazy so it was interesting to see him do this. If you've been reading you know criminal for a long time. And I've been reading various brubaker books for Awhile Brubaker and Phillips Books and for a short short while I want to say it was due during whatever book came before or killer be killed. Jacob Phillips was doing he was doing like little one page splash pages at the back of killer be killed issues with with the essays and his his normal watercolor style is not as vivid or wild world as it is in. My heroes have always been junkie. So it's interesting to hear you say that because I feel he has the same kind of tone down style that his father does but in this one he really changed it up to try to create that stylized look I would suggest digging into his. His twitter is a gold mine for that kind of stuff. Okay definitely for me. This week I read. I can sell you a body number. One which is written and lettered by Ryan Ferrier With Art by George Combat Aus. This is a very strange book that I I saw the cover for it. I said yes. I'm going to buy this because the cover looks so very cool. It's like a plain white background with our main character denny little being pulled by a bunch of different arms it's really beautiful looking cover Plus the title alone is just kind of goofball thing I can sell you a body But the story is about this mediums Liam's slash spiritual guy named denny. Little who kind of feels like a con artist when you originally meet him. He can supposedly speak to ghosts of the recently deceased and or the deceased long ago. It's not really clear as to what the quarterback limitations of his powers are but it feels like a scam until you find that. He's actually speaking to these spirits and it turns out he offers. This very special explore exclusive package where he can bring your loved ones back to life so long as you you can provide him a body for them to possess and he has this ability to do any to do this and he charges a lot of money and so the book starts with him meeting someone someone who wants this procedure to be done. But there's a lot of complications in it that have to come down to or that. Come down to mob bosses and debts that are owed and it turns out denny's and kind of a tight spot when it comes to money and so all these complicated bits and pieces Kinda come together in the last few pages of the book as you realize something that he did very early on the issue is now coming back to bite him on top of this debt on top of these gangsters on top of all this other stuff. So if I'm not if I'm not mistaken this is going to be a four issue miniseries so I'm really really excited to see where farrier and Co ended up taking this book in just four issues but with issue ones plot and pacing. I can definitely see that. They're going to be able to accomplish this enfor four issues and the thing that I found the most interesting is that this is a book that's coming from. Id W it seems like a book that you would definitely expect to be coming from. Maybe boom given the style al or image based on like the the idea of the book but the fact that W is publishing this is very very interesting transformer in this book not that I could find find not an issue at least not an issue one but maybe two I know that w sometimes we'll put their put their neck out a little bit and they will try to publish some creator owned or what seems a chromebooks underneath their label just to try to maybe try to sell something different. I think this is where we you know. We got a handful of different books. Looks like this over the years. Like lock and key for instance wasn't ninety W book which to me is so strange when you compare it to everything else that they do but I can sell your your body? Number one was was pretty fun. The plot was a little clunky to start but I think by the end of the issue. It all comes together really really well. So I'm very much looking forward to number two But now I want I want some fanfare. Here's ZANDER. Can you put some fanfare in here. Maybe some anime music I don't know I want everyone to know that I'm starting to read one piece because I hate myself my body and also I am the most excited anime boy in the world. I'm reading one piece from the beginning manning using the shonen jump up. I read twenty two chapters of one piece. This is by Ichiro. Ota and my goal is to catch up to this book and be completely caught up before chapter. Chapter One thousand comes out. It's a massive undertaking because there are nine hundred and sixty six chapters of this book as of today January January fifth. Two Thousand Twenty. And I didn't really know what to expect going into this. All I knew. Is that a lot of people like it it. It's the most popular Manga. I've ever seen in my life because when I was in Japan Pan if there wasn't dragon. Ball Z stuff or dragon ball super stuff. All over one-piece stuff and that is to the point where I was walking through a small grocery store trying to pick up some like fruits and stuff like that when I was in Japan and they were offering a credit card that had a one piece theme and one of the characters from one piece was like had a big tech bubble abroad. His mouth trying to pitch you this credit card. So if that's not massive overtaking of the cultural whatever Zeitgeist by an anime or Manga. I don't know what else yes so I'm really excited to jump into this. I don't know what I'm getting myself into. A lot of people are very excited that I'm digging into this at least on twitter and so on and so forth worth so it's happening guys. I'm going to become just a full blown. Just Manga boy and that's who I'm going to be from now on. I'm sorry boy anyways other than that. Let let's talk about comic books that are coming out. This upcoming comics are dropping on January. Eighth Two thousand and twenty even though in my notes I wrote twenty nineteen. I WanNa know what you guys are excited for this week. I'M GONNA pitch this over to nick so I'm a little behind on some of my weekly books so I went looking for something That I think I. Would you know be able to recommend and and not have to have the full backlog All memorized at this point point so I went with An original graphic novel called British ice It's written and drawn by Owen deep. Pommery You can go ahead and guess how hard it was to dig up INFO on Pommery Without Comic Book DB Yes it's still down and I mean the way twenty twenty is going. It's it it just feels right in line with the rest of it Thank goodness he at least as his own website for me to look up some stuff He's several other graphic novels including victory motel well as well as another called between the billboards and the offering of architecture The latter being a work that quote seeks to better understand the relationship between comics architecture for in personal perception. In that last sentence is how you know it's going to be a nice easy breezy read As British ice the official summary on top chefs website reads Working for the British High Commission. Harrison fleet is posted to a remote Arctic island which is still inexplicably under British rule as he struggles to understand why and what interests he is protecting Harrison learns just how much of the land and its community lies in the shadow cast by the outposts. I founder caught between hostile locals the British government and an unforgiving physical environment. He begins dragging dark secrets into the light on were of the tragic repercussions they will cause. US and help is very very far away. Part and part historical mystery. British ice explores the consequences of colonialism. And the legacy of empire and that last line is how you know this. This book is also going to be an easy breezy fund read colonialism. What a light fun topic these thing? Yeah how did you find this book. Well I found it because I now have to use fresh comics to look up the books coming out every month and This was listed under idea w viewer top shelf and it. It interested me and I really liked the art. And there's always something oddly appealing about mystery set up in the cold cold north. I realized that's a real initials on route. Maybe it's a fargo thing. Maybe it's an insomnia thing but there's there's always something about mysteries taking place in a far out remote area. That only gets three hours of sunlight a day. I don't know what it is but like Thirty days of night. Yeah there's always GonNa be if there's snow and there's ice and there's no light do crimes or do murder or murder is usually what it has. WHOA WHOA WHOA? So I mean sure but okay well that sounds. That sounds very interesting. I know you sent me some of the previews for this. It looks I think the art does not necessarily fit with the style. But I'm guessing that if you read it it'll fit really really well so I'm interested to hear what you say you think about that Do what about you. What excited for this week? Pretty deadly. They're out number five is coming out. I think that's GonNa conclude this arc so I can finally binge is read it which is my preferred way and suggested way of reading. Pretty deadly. jus- I actually kind of around the the third issue was like you know I. I'm just GonNa wait so But I really like how Amarillo is so good I capturing the the genre that they're using for each arc so this one's kind of like a Hollywood golden age. I think that she does does such a spectacular job of infusing that aesthetic into those scenes. But then you still have the really lyrical poetic kind of dreamy. NECE when it switches into other settings and Yeah I'm super thrilled that there's going to be more pretty deadly To tell the stories have some of the other characters and also explore other time periods. So that's actually all I have to say about pretty deadly like binge read at when it all comes out as an art. I'm really curious to know like I. I haven't read all of the second volume of this and obviously haven't read any of the rat yet. I really curious to know how far these two are going to take this series. Because I feel like they're unless something has changed dramatically in the series. There's there's there's all unlimited directions they could potentially go with these fairytale asks stories right. I mean I go ahead. Think that each arc mark of the story takes place him a moment of pivotal Humanity kind of having to reckon in with their relationship to death and killing lake. Oh interesting the wild west World War One. I mean the Hollywood Golden Age I think is less on that scale but certainly there. There is a sort of reckless. Fatal decadence is to it that I think You see in a lot of the story is set Niagara that they're using here the next one's GonNa be I think in the Great Depression orgies. Okay then They're GONNA go back and look at. I think big alice and it's going to be set in the Viking era. Uh Don't matter fact. Check that but I think that's right so that to me is really interesting by every the story is set in a moment like where there's kind of a turning point in humanity's relationship to death definitely so. Yeah that's that's really interesting that they're that they're tackling different time periods not necessarily in chronological order. I see this. This is one of those things it's like man. It's going to be amazing to binge all of pretty deadly when it's done whenever it's done I mean I think that the folks that are reading it right now I think of only said like incredibly positive things it sounds to me like. You're super enjoying it so I looked it up. This is the last issue of the ARC so look for that trade probably later this year. Yes definitely and then just you know been reading is the way I think to best understand story definitely especially given the like really big picture things that I think Kelly sued does in her writing throughout the arc each each arc so cool though for me this week. I am excited for excalibur number five. Because I had to pick an expo because nothing else really look that interesting to me. Okay you you know. We got all of our books out right around the Christmas time and now everything just sucks. No that's not true excalibur number five. This is teeny Howard. Marcus toe I go back back and forth on all the xbox like every single week but I- dear listener notebook has a sad angsty occasion in it beyond this one and so it has to be my pick this this week because in issue number four excalibur. There was a moment where gambit was just sad in every character on in the panel was calling him out on it and boy. Oh boy. Do I love that. Just that just a sad angry gambit because you know what. His wife is frozen in time or something question mark. It's a weird fairytale thing and honestly if I'm being completely honest just about it. It really kind of bugs me that in issue one like right from the right out. The Gate teeny Howard like basically put rogue in a coma and just I said this is going to be the driver of the story and I don't. I don't really like that because of all the characters to do it to why rogue and why like I like. She's so so better used as a character and could have been better used. I think in this book so I'm wondering if there's going to be like the other shoes going to drop here and it's going to slap me in the face. Go Mike You Idiot Idiot. Why did you have a problem with this I just feel really weird about it. Like she could have put anybody else in a coma. Orders not done this coma thing because so far in the story. It's hasn't worked outside of apocalypse being really creepy and gambit. Just being angst is and what about my wife that seems to be his whole motivating character drive. And it's it's really strange because I like this book. I like what teeny Howard is doing with excalibur. It's just core pillar of the story that is I have a problem with so I'm just. I'm hoping that things kind of switch back. And she gives us a really good explanation for all. This had happened because it really feels like she just half fridge to character temporarily to drive the rest of the team which I don't know if I'm a fan of that. I feel really uncomfortable people with it so excalibur number five. I WanNa root for all these ex books. No matter how good or bad they are but this is the one that I'm most excited to read this week. Just to see how things things pay off because I think either this issue or the next issue is going to be the end of the ARC and hopefully we'll get some answers about a lot of the big questions specifically what's happening in the other world and maybe they'll actually resolve some the conflict with the mutants and captain Britain. And all this stuff. If you're not reading this book you probably have no idea what I'm talking about. And that's okay welcome to X.. Men again we tried to get you all hooked with House of X. Empowers Ivax and if you didn't jump on board then we'll quite literally. The ship has sailed at least another book called Marauders. So so I'm having fun over here. I hope you guys are having fun. I think this sounds like the perfect time for you to start that one piece binge. It sounds like you're not a happy. It sounds like all is not well in X.. Men Land so when is it ever good and X. men land if we're being completely honest Let's we're take a quick break when we come back. We're GONNA talk about some some pretty deep stuff when it comes to comic books mostly how to understand comic books beyond just their surface level. Read so when we come back. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA do that and maybe a little bit more. We'll be back in a second before we start the show this week. I want to tell however one that the two thousand nineteen I know it was last year. But the two thousand nineteen IRC B listener survey is out you can go to IRC BE PODCAST DOT com slash slash survey take that survey get entered to win a fifteen dollar comics. Algae Gift Card on a Senate right to your email address. If you provide said email address let us know what you think of the show. We've got all sorts of questions and and stuff out there just to hopefully improve things for twenty twenty so make sure to head over to podcast dot com slash survey and take that survey ASEP. It's not too long and you could. Maybe win fifteen dollars dollars to comics allergy but anyways this week on the show we are talking about how to understand and look for the deeper themes and meanings within in comic books which is kind of a humongous thing but I brought on my to experts about digging maybe too deep into comics. And that's Nick Nick so I mean this. This question in this idea is kind of a big thing but I wanna hear you guys initially think about like when you're reading a book and you're trying to take in more than just the surface level story story. What are the things that you're looking for as you read through an arc or an entire run or even a single issue of a comic book? I have tossed over to you first year. Well all I am I of course always kind of default to looking at the art more closely and I think that a good way to kind of starts training yourself to do that more is to just like try reading the story without reading the words just looking at the art and see how much you can understand about the story. And that'll give you. It's it's it'll give you a sense of the aesthetic and the tone Even if you don't necessarily catch all the plot details you should still be able to describe the setting the characters the genre you know what I mean like. Is it a happy story. Is that a tent. Story is is quiet like We all take English literature courses in school but we don't really learn how to read art in the same way you use shouldn't feel discouraged if you don't know how to do it like instinctively. It's something that you have to practice practice just like you had to practice learning how to read. It's funny I I feel like I was just talking to someone recently about this. About how when you're reading some comics in specific you you can tell you get a lot of the story just from the art I mean. I think we've talked about this many times on the show but like some there was is a book in particular that we were talking about and it was just like how three quarters of the story is just told through the panel beats and like the various shots within the with the within the comic and the taxes almost superfluous. And it just adds a little bit more clarity to what's actually going on but without the words you would still get the majority of what's going on and I think that that's something that ah the person I was talking to it. I think is like more at longtime comic book reader. And that's something that you learn over many years of of reading comics. But if you're just trying to dig into it I think like I don't think I've ever actually tried to read a book by just the art like going through more than a handful of pages of just the art. I wonder if that's something we challenge ourselves to do this year. I know that like not you thrown out the idea of the show of like taking a book that hasn't been translated to English and try to read the whole without knowing like French or German or whatever language. It's in just to see how much of the store you can get just from that. I think that's like a good training exercise. And if that feels really daunting you could even take story. You've read before in English and then like try to read it in another language and that you don't understand so you have kind of a roadmap but it will force you to look more closely at how the visuals are guiding you there rather than relying on the words entirely. Yeah I I thought that another thing that is really important to this. Exercise is no the difference between when you're reading the story for the plot points and the narrative and when you're actually being analytical about what you're what the story is right lake. I tend not to care that much much about the plot or the narrative people who listen to this show a lot probably notice that I don't really talk about it too much when I talk about what I read this week or whatever I tend to default more to lake how stories being told or you know thematically or like aesthetically what what's going on so so see if you can identify like in your own reading when you are absorbing plot versus when you are analyzing lionising absolutely and I think nick you've got a point in your notes that I think is super crucial to this which is telling people to slow down. Could you elaborate right on that. Yeah I mean it seems pretty self explanatory but I think a lot of readers new readers and old readers alike They they have a real tendency that whether there were are not their real goal is and this is sort of what I've noticed when I sort of become more aware of my own processes. You read the pros and the panel you glance at the picture and you just move onto the next one and I'm sure some people are saying well isn't isn't that what I'm supposed to do right But I think I think a lot of people just sort of bounce panel the panel and they don't really I mean I guess a better way of putting this says sometimes I'll I'll show someone who's new to comics are not even familiar with comic sell. Show them like a page of comic art. And I'll say. How long do you think it took to make this right? and or how many pages like this. Do you think the average artists makes them today. And I'm not talking about inking the page. I'm not talking thing about flagging the colors. I'm not talking about all the color work or the lettering. I'm just asking you for the one guy who only does the pencils. How many pages do you think a person and can do in a day and it's it's astounding the answers you get because I can tell you almost nobody says one or two right? It's just that that's not what people people think. People think this is a much faster much easier process And I think unfortunately that sort of leads to the idea that it's Quote Unquote not art or its disposable. Possible Art Right. It's sort of gets relegated into these categories of just not being and what if that ultimately implies is if it's disposable or it's throwaway throw away or it's easy to make it's easy to consume Then it's not something that's worthy of critical analysis. Well there's I I think that's what people take away from that I think that In academia there's this idea that art has to be more conceptual than narrative in in order to be worthwhile in terms of thinking about it analytically and that Narrative art is somehow somehow more simple. And you know that's right it's like hand holdings we're does and it's like you know everything thing is a story even conceptual art is telling a story ray just because it's not telling a story with a narrative you know it doesn't I mean that isn't and the way that a narrative is told doesn't just rely on stringing together a series of plot points points there's there are bigger themes and tones and ways by the story is imparted to you and in a lot of cases. The art is doing all of that heavy lifting like just look at a panel and look look for things that feel symmetrical notice things that feel like. They're drawing your eye to a certain thing in the picture. Chances are pretty good. You know it's like making something Italic or bolted in your when you're writing. It's there's there's ways that emphasise and nuance is put into a story or a theme or idea with narrative arts and you just have to have to slowed like like nick's ads. The you have to slow down and you have to take your time and you have to not not rely so much on reading the words to read those artistic nuances. I was going to say and I think a lot of that somewhat spoils down to having a better understanding of the process behind creating comics. I think when you understand who's doing doing what and sort of how they're doing it and why they're doing it or why it's being One thing I always go back to his I think it's a I think it's a Jack Kirby redrawing that's been inked by like fourteen different people or something like that and you sort of get a feel for How different inks can can change an image and then once you can kind of dissect how it's coming together? I think you can better understand. Sometimes the intent behind how something is being created aided And I think a lot of people don't they just aren't even aware of the process that's happening and so you know they might think it's all just one person which again in some cases it is but yeah it's interesting that we're focusing heavily on the art side of things because for some reason in my head I was thinking more of like. How do you pull away like the the like narrative like metaphorical stuff you know like how? How do you read the book like like like L.? Lsu Qods zero and go. This is a book about a guy on mushrooms other than Ellicott coming out and saying yeah. This is about my experience on mushrooms kind of because because I think like without the you know the obvious thing in new book zero mushrooms become a big thing like fungus becomes a thing as part of the story Like it's it's really strange. Try to pull themes out of that stuff. I feel like what's what's really helped me as you know having conversations and the show like this to discuss this stuff and I think the things that I've learned from a lot of you guys on the show is is how to pay attention to this kind of stuff or having conversations after having read the same book and go did you notice this thing and it kind of helps mean future to treat you like this trigger this thing of like yes. You read the book but are you looking beyond the just the. What's on the page for what's actually happening here or like Te'o saying looking looking for the symmetry on the page? Look for the way that the artist or has highlighted something on a page to draw your attention even if the characters aren't necessarily speaking about it. I think it's interesting that you guys went straight to how do we. How do we do this with? Just the art side of things and not the actual like the narrative dialogue. That's happening in the book Because I think in two different directions I guess I realized comics are mostly art with some words on them but it's I was approaching it from like. How do you you pull out the fact that this artist was talking about chaos magic in a comic book or something like that when it was just a story about superheroes fighting other villains? That's really really interesting. I will point out that the topic on the schedule says how to interpret art and look for themes and deeper meanings. This yea Tia I writing. Okay yes sorry I guess what I said are what I was thinking art. For some reason I was thinking the the grander scale art. So maybe I just don't yeah. I just don't know how to read my own writing as the other problem but I guess this is kind of brings me to a question that I've been wondering do all comics have to have a deeper meaning like this like when you're reading a book. Do you think that every single book kind of has this or is it something that is very choosy. 'cause I know we talk about some of the books that we really love and respect from like the big to an image and all these other publishers and a lot of the times I feel like those are the books that have those deeper means and they have like a bigger story to tell just beyond what's happening in the plane narrative and usually a lot of those books or paired with artists. That do a lot all of this stuff that you guys are talking about. I think that my complaint about Hawkeye freefalls. Perfect example of this. You know there just wasn't any there there compared into lake fraction and Hawkeye. where I think you could really unpack a lot of themes and deeper meanings and and kind kind of look at it more as a as a creation that is held up by things other than a series of plot points points more like you know? Alice cuts I zero. That you just brought up lake. Maybe I'd just about about him on mushrooms but I suspect that he would be delighted by people exploring being the you know various themes and deeper meanings from that even if he didn't mean to put them there. Because you know at the end of the day I think for artists Lake Lake Ala Carte. Art is about inspiring people to think and and explore whereas you know certainly wanting to keep your toys in. The plastic box doesn't really inspire much of that. Although so you know I've seen people do like a Marxist reading of of a take out menu so like literally the very concept opt of not wanting to take your toys out of. The plastic is something. I could go to town on if we had the time. Interesting interesting That's that's that's funny that you bring that up because that was kind of another question I was thinking you know how. How much of an artist's intention do we take away from this kind of stuff right because if there is a deeper meaning within the art in within the story of a comic maybe like you said the intention was maybe Ellicott was talking about being on mushrooms and and I realized he was doing more than that I think it was being on? Mushrooms is about the Para military complex was about all this all this different stuff but like maybe his intention was X.. And and we interpreted it as why. Where does that line get drawn? I realize this is also a much bigger question beyond today's discussion but like everyone has their own experience when they're on mushrooms so you know you're you're already you're already identifying alike thematic cemetry cemetry in this whole reading that you have going on I mean I I just. I'm curious to know what you guys think there because I we feel like this is a debate does happens constantly all the time about various things you know. The artist intended one thing but another thing was taken out of it like how do we. Where do we fall fall with that? Well how do we draw a line to say. Like I'm just GonNa take this out of it and that's that or is it just like a personal subjective thing if it's no hard rule if the artist's intention in is useful for you and enriches your experience with text than it is important and if it isn't that it isn't it's and feel free to check it. Gotcha like the artist has only has control over the creation of the. They don't have any control over after that point right. That's going to be our next t shirt by the way What are your thoughts on this? Well Yeah I mean obviously lead the days of the privacy of authority intense Artistic content have sort of Wavered in dwindle the and of course Meanings what you make now which which which I think is great. I think it's also kind of a funny time to arrive at that because we're now at a point where you aren't just sitting in your classroom and and you go. What was the author thinking about with this in your teacher goes? I don't get paid enough to know. Screw you of Wikipedia But these days it's more like you can go on on the Internet and ask. I don't know Gail Simone rematch kinder- whomever you can go. What was what was this about? Or what did you mean in all the sudden you're coming face to face with a concrete answer and so that's kind of a weird in curious position that we're in now and and I totally agree with that that I think there certainly is value in the power of Taking from something what you want Of course there is the flip side of that where Sir you have everyone Leaving watchmen and saying that Russia back their own personal idol in here. Now and Alan Moore going. Oh no but I guess that's the that's the peril of creating art. I suppose there's there's always coin to risk inherent that someone is going to point. Win It darth vader and go You're my new dad so Well you have to show your work I think is the key here so lake. If you WANNA to be like Vader's my dad I'll be like okay present your case and they can present their case and I'll be like your real dumb. You did not understand this because like whatever you're seeing in here it's not there you know what I mean like. It's like there is. There is a stretch limit for this kind of stuff is is kind of what you're you're getting it. If you are going to interpret a text a certain way you have to build your case right. It's like being a lawyer. It's like go watch. My cousin has invented right. You've got to build the bricks. Remember that scene in my anyway. You know it's been years but I think I know what you're talking about. Well see this this just. This sounds like an like a paper that I wrote when I was in college. About how Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory was actually a representation of the seven deadly says totally and I had like it was a really refund paper to write because I thought that I was stretching it as a joke when I started it and then by the end I was really confident because I could. I had eight years worth of trading I had the actual actual work in sources and stuff site which I thought was really cool but I I understand what you're getting because I did this one time ten years ago otherwise I'm just making up all this should as I go but still i. It's it's it's interesting. I mean I'm not trying to completely derail the topic here because I think the question of how you do this and how how you actually spend the time to actually interpret art like this is probably the core here so no matter what. You're taking away from it. I think what to go back to kind of what you you were saying. T it's showing your work and being able to say. Oh well if you analyze this page or you look at this this issue in the way that it was laid out so on and so forth you can maybe justify your a case for why you interpreted something in the way that you did. I like that a lot. I think that that's that's a really interesting point that I again this is. Why had you guys on? Because I don't know the answer I just want to know what you guys think so. I can come up with my own opinion. And then claim it's my own later so Producers right every producers right yes exactly exactly Mike rapids narration. I came to new idea all by myself. No one else helped me any right but when it comes to comic books though I mean like it when you guys are maybe analyzing maybe if you're writing something or you're you know you're trying to go back to do something to to justify a an interpretation How are you guys like analyzing things like are you? Are you taking page by page and laying it all out or you. It has single pages or as a whole issue or as a whole arc What's your kind of mental process for that kind of stuff? I mean I feel like you have to let the work kind kind of tell you what makes the most sense certainly sometimes getting really granular about it will reveal things that are useful. Alert Interesting But you know sometimes you have to pull back a little bit too like a nine panel grid for example Bowl as a nine panel grid as as the entity Ed nine panel grid it It does something important to you. The story in terms of like setting a certain cadence to those story beats and just even the like very uniform mm size and shape of the panels. It kind of guides you through the story in a certain way certain tone but then each individual panel also has to you do something and then when you put them together in certain combinations the comparisons of them do something for example like in Inside enhancements work. I noticed that a lot where he'll have like a P.. Two panels next to each other that are like basically identical except for. He'll just move. The DOTS of mogs pupils like a fraction to the left. And there is there is so much storytelling in that in that fraction of movement. You know but that you wouldn't get that story if you only looked at one of those panels individually to kind of put them together to see that happen. Right where the sequential in sequential art comes into play things sometimes that have matters batters and comex. Yes yes well. It's interesting because I think that you know something like we can. We go back to watchman. Because it's the default nine panel grid Blah Blah Blah. Who cares but let's thinking about something like Mister Miracle I think is another good example of that where you look through those panels and I think he mitch? Rods did a lot out of really good panel to panel work on some issues compared to others. Where when other issues you know? It'd be nine panels nonstop action and you're kind of like. How did these even connect? Okay sure a lot of things are happening. That's supposed to take away from that. And the thing that I. I've always found interesting about that. My nine panel grid is how limiting it can be sometimes because those those panels are so thin. It's kind of a wonder that that a lot of story can be told in them without segmenting them further segmenting them in different ways ways but yet it's still like one of the most like hey if you're going to do this style of storytelling. Nine panel grid is the way to do it. And when you take a challenge like something something like Mister miracle or you're only going to do nine panel grids for the entire run kind of like hurts your brain to have to sit back and go to how to all these panels and pages lineup. I think if you're if you're analyzing it all I'd love to see like giant printout of all the issues like maybe that should be an art exhibit without any of the dialogue or anything but just have them all stream together and say look at this and five dollars tells me that Mitch Gerard's is a genius and somehow made it all into the shape of Mr Roka's like if you lay them all out you like that. Mitch give us a call. We'd love to somehow find money to fund this art exhibit really cool but then like also okay so you have all these nine panel final grades and then you turn the page. And it's a splash page. You Pot you sink into that splash page in a way. Okay that that is different because you have just come off all those nine panel grades than the disruption of Guy. Yeah it's a hard disruption of the pattern pattern And things are not outlined for you by panel borders anymore. You've got to find what's going on. You've got to explore that page more right right and and I think a lot of what this comes down to in a lot of the things. I've found myself analyzing more critically than in the past It's I I know. It's obviously tempting to go and stare at the splash page for fifteen minutes. Or if you're really lucky. A double splash page whatever. Yeah Not Not not. orangeade against double splash pages. They have their place just usually not in my books But I've I've found that it's it's so frequently. It's the things that we say that we just don't think about when they're being done well and we you know lamb vast when when they're done horribly so things like Cholera tone things like panel layout page layout gutters pacing Things like this us When when the lettering just seems like it really fits? But you can't put your finger on it like I feel like these are so many of the things that really can make acre. Break a book and really Are Worth a good amount of critical analysis but so frequently we just gloss right over it. which in a weird way is sort of praise for a job. Well done but that's that's just what happens and these are definitely the sorts of things I would encourage to definitely for people to look at our panel Hannah layout pacing structure in that These are the things I've sort of really moved towards looking at these days The art anymore I just I just I grabbed my white out and cover up all of the art. Cover up the words to and I just look at the squares and I G- I gleaned what I can On Your so advanced. Wow you guys are playing checkers. I'm playing three D chess. Okay calculating yeah I just look at the gutters in the in the word balloons That's that's that's interesting. I mean. It's like good editing editing audio film all that stuff you don't notice it until you're done with something you go. Wow that that flowed so well and it's because because something is so well structured. It's it's I mean and now we're talking about page structure and stuff which I think is also even crucial when it comes to storytelling because again it's about that beat it's about keeping pace. It's about making sure that the reader is reading at a rate kind of at least the story pastes setting in a certain way. So that when you do go from that nine panel grid too the splash page like just to continue using that example. They're hit with a wet wash of like Whoa. This is so different. It's not what I was expecting. And it's it's that kind of thing where you have to breathe for a second take in. Oh this is a dramatic change and that must be meaningful and I think it's not just about like Oh cool now we've got this character flying in the air and Blah Blah Blah. It's no I this. The writer in the artist's work together to intentionally changed the way that the story was structured. So that you noticed something different has happened. Opened ended to take that out and look at it from a Meta contextual perspective. It's it's I think that's something that's hard to learn but once you've got it it's it's something that's becomes becomes very crucial in and helpful when you're understanding and analyzing comics well and you know like like I told you I think a week or two ago when I was reading whether man and I think ah people used to think I I used to think sometimes like the longer it took me to read an issue generally speaking this must have been a more in depth well thought out Deep issue right hand the quicker. I read an issue the one that took me two minutes and I throw it on the table or whatever for me that was like Oh this is whatever. Yeah that was just a quick easy breezy nothing to it. Sort of read But these days now I I look a lot more than one that I read really fast the night and I ask school why. Why was this working so well for me like why was everything you know not disrupting my pace and allowing me to just really cut through it and nothing was throwing me off? And so now Allie look at those issues and I say well what was going right as opposed to saying well. This must have been like a real thin easy breezy. Nothing thing really the look at nothing to see sort of issue right. I mean we've all. We've all read like a Brian. Michael Benda's book or something. That's so full of words. It takes you a half hour to get through it because you were just reading a pros rose book I get you well anyways. Yeah I I realized that you know we could talk about this all day. We kind of veered a little bit off of the path which is okay and I really liked the conversation conversation we got to. I wanted to ask for we wrap up here in a D. Seventy final thoughts about. What's your one key takeaway if you could give advice to folks out there about like how to extract something just beyond the surface level story of comic and in the art itself? I mean it's really simple honestly just have discussions with with other other people. I realize it's twenty twenty an hour and that might be now that I'm thinking about it really. Unreasonable thing to ask just go out a have discussions. Don't get in a fight have friends don't lose those friendships But I. It's so simple. Just get out there discussing the book with someone else see what they got out of it. mentioned what you got out of it I think. Sometimes that's the best way to really Just just take take the book you know. Look at it from outside of your own perspective and I mean when I look at the discussions that you and I have had on the ice cream man for example like between the two of us we were just throwing wingstop out there that the other person wasn't even thinking of at all So just just have a dialogue again. I know it's twenty twenty. I know it's tough. We have a safe a little corner of the Internet and it's hard discord. That is great so everyone should just join our discord L.. Disagree with me on there. What about not? I'm going to take it the other direction from Nick. I'm going to say you don't you don't need to talk to other people. Just see if you could see if you could say to yourself. The this book was about and distill it into as few words as possible even if you can just one word and then go back and look at the art and identify every place that word stands out in what you see. Oh Shit you break in my brain with that. I really like that Nick. I like talking to you. 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RPG Lessons Learned 090  Steal NPCs

RPG Lessons Learned

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RPG Lessons Learned 090 Steal NPCs

"R._P._G.. Lessons learnt when the game is over when your players are gone. That's when lessons learned we're at R._P._G.. L. podcast on twitter instagram and facebook R._P._G.. L. PODCAST AT N._J._I._T.. Dot Com and check us out online at R._P._G.. Lessons learned dot com. Hi Welcome to R._P._G.. Lessons learned the show where you can learn from our mistakes. Today is another solo episode. I know I know does may not be your favorite but I try to get better at those every single time I do for today's episode. I'd like to talk to all the G._M.'s out there. Some of this can apply to players about stealing in P._C.'s from your favorite movies shows in books so for rich well rounded N._p._C.'s that are really easy for you to Improv steal them from your favorite movies and shows think of him as pre existing existing characters thick of actors that you can cast to play N._p._C.'s in your game different names different costumes but the same overall character and don't steal any character seal your favorite characters characters offers that you really familiar with if you really familiar with them. They'll have this unique voice that you can leverage if he's still captain Picard or Jerry Seinfeld you know how they sound. You know how they speak. You know the vocabulary very you know the rhythm in some cases. You even know their accent. You won't need to invent mannerisms on the spot. You'll have a whole library to draw from because you're familiar with this character. This is a character from your favorite show. Oh so it frees you up to just sort of be the N._p._C.. You're so familiar with this character. Also the familiarity gives you this really consistent voice so even if you Jerry Seinfeld impression in is bad and by the way bad Max should be better but we'll get to that. It'll be consistently bad session after session. Consistency is so important consistency. Let's N._p._C. start to feel familiar failure to the players if you're Jerry Seinfeld impression is way off the base but you do it the same way every time then clarence the Barkeep who is the embodiment you know whom you've cast Jerry Very Seinfeld to play will feel consistent and as soon as he says you know hey hey they're gonNA know it's Clarence the barkeep. It's this character that we love. They have no idea that you're using Jerry Seinfeld to play that role with pre existing characters you also inherent all of these known relationships. If you steal the entire cast of your favorite show you'll never have to struggle to remember how they feel about each other who antagonize assume. Who teases whom WHO's flaky? Who's got your back when the chips are down? If you steal the entire cast of Seinfeld or firefly or star Trek you'll know the answers to those questions without flipping through your notes without consulting what in your one notebook you'll just no furthermore professional writers have crafted these relationships to be you know dramatically appropriate seasoned writers built this group of characters that have tension between them casting directors chose actors that can embody those roles and let them play off of each other so when you steal the cast of your favorite show to appear at your table you're actually inheriting eating all that forethought and all that tension will play itself out naturally table. You're much more likely to have that fun tension and to have those rich relationships and to have your players meet these characters characters that like each other that don't like each other that have a will they won't they love story going on. If you're stealing all this dramatic tension that these professionals put together for you so there are a lot of good reasons wants to steal N. P.. C.'s from your favorite books your favorite movies your favorite shows and I don't mean to leave anything out your favorite place your favorite podcasts. Your favorite actual plays you know as long as you're familiar steal it use visit leverage it use all of that information that you've collected just through being fan and use it at your table but once you start stealing characters there are some pitfalls to be aware of. I you want to avoid recognition for this to work. You really don't ever want that light of realization to dawn for your players. You don't want them to figure out who these N._p._C.'s are. Let them get to know you even if they're familiar with the character character Sarah Seidel from C._S._I.. Let them get to know her all over again. As Beatrice the town cleric let them get to know her and her sort of robotic but studious and she cares but she hides her feelings. Let them get to know that beatrice character all over again without ever realizing that they've been talking to Sarah Seidel the entire time. Let them talk to you know Henrietta the proud warrior her without ever realizing that you've recast the shredder from the Ninja turtles to play her part. You know let Henrietta stand on her own avoid recognition and to avoid recognition or a couple of things you can do first of completely changed names. Henrietta sounds nothing like shredder. You really don't want your players to cotton onto the fact that they've been dealing with you know the crew of the starship enterprise for the last several sessions completely changed the name. Don't choose similar sounding names. Don't keep the first name. Maybe don't even keep the same initials my only N._p._C. notes are things like Brubaker half ORC captain of the guards warf. Dwarf so with that one note I know Brubaker is warf but brubaker sounds nothing like warf another thing to make sure that your players don't realize what's going on avoid catchphrases. They're such dead giveaway away. Make it so could now be anymore. modifier just the facts ma'am. I am not merryman several of you. I'm sure recognize at least some of those don't jar your players. Perception captured the N._p._C. by suddenly revealing it to be a well-known character a character that they recognized through the catchphrase that captain of the town guard that you had cast Jean Luc Picard as and you've been stealing his mannerisms your players mental picture of him. Maybe looks nothing like Patrick Stewart. You could describe him the same way you could describe him as you know largely bald on top but with salt-and-pepper hair on the sides and you know very serious looking fellow and they still might not be picturing genre because they might not be picturing Patrick Stewart but the moment you drop them make it so into the conversation whoa their mental picture. This character is suddenly and by the way irrevocably changed so avoid void recognition by completely changing names and by avoiding catchphrases by the way realizations will still occur when that happens don't panic keep a poker face. If your players shouts wait a minute. This guy's just like warf. Don't panic look the player dead in the eye and behind your poker face say maybe kind of and you admitting that Brubaker is Kinda like warf is very different different than admitting that Brubaker is worth you say maybe Kinda and the player Kinda nods and let's go and you can all laugh about the fact that you know in reality. They're only so many unique characters and all fiction so you didn't change the mental picture got through that realization without truly dropping the ball another pitfall don't fall in love. Remember that your games about your players characters. Not your characters not your N._B._C.'s. You're choosing M._p._C.'s from a show that you love not because you wanna heavily feature them but because you're familiar with them and because you can use them to create dramatic compelling backdrops for for your players characters am I don't fall in love. Don't give them the spotlight there the backdrop they're a rich the backdrop they're very interactive backdrop. There are very detailed backdrop but they're backdrop backdrop and if one of your N._p._C.'s dies if one of these characters dies then it dies even if it secretly you're very favorite character from your very favorite book you know Ron Weasley still putting your N._p._C.'s before your players is classic mistake and here's the thing you can always reintroduce Ron Weasley as a different character next session. Remember you're thinking of Ron Weasley as an actor and there's no reason you can't recast that actor. Down the road. There's no reason that actor can't play several characters in your campaign just because the innkeeper Ron weasley gets killed doesn't mean that Ron can't play the captain of the town guard a few sessions from now you can recast that character that you love but let let them die. Let them go away. Let them be banished. Let them be punished. Let them be hurt. Don't don't let your favorite characters that you're stealing to use his N._p._C.'s blind you to the fact that they are backdrop another pitfall that should go without saying but I'm GONNA mention it here because I'm sure from the moment I started folks have been thinking of it. Don't publish don't publish if you steal from your favorite movies movies and T._v.. Shows and books six and you steal to use it your table. It's fine you know no copyright lawyers listening to your game the minute you start to publish or the minute that you start to do a <hes> an actual play podcast that you're recording and putting <music> out there all of a sudden stealing picard or war for whomever becomes a much bigger problem. That's not to say you can't still look at the full cast of your favorite show and really analyze is why they had to Jim with each other why they're interesting. What's the minimum you can keep them interesting? That's not to say you still can't be inspired by things but you know maybe a lot more careful in your descriptions be a lot more careful with the relationships ships when I'm playing for my table is steel mercilessly and whole cloth because I don't have to remember any customisations that have made you know aside from the names and maybe a bit of description but I don't have to remember that I've drastically changed some core relationship. I can just use the entire cast of firefly whole cloth the entire cast of leverage by the way the castle leverage make an excellent thieves guilt. You can steal steal these things whole cloth and just use them whole cloth your table and it's an easy thing to do. There's way less you know memorizing. There's way less remembering this way less referencing all those advantages that already covered but don't publish it like that so a really short today. I'm trying to keep the solo one's really short. I'm trying to keep him really useful. I'm trying to be empowering and share little tricks. I have for prepping things that are richer without having to you know go. Oh crazy detailing your own p._C.'s on huge character sheets that you then have to keep track of and shuffle through. I'm trying to share some of these tricks. That's what we sold. Episodes are really for so I'll be back with Mike and Brian Next tweak thank you for listening and the Short version is episode is just to remind us again. Change the names avoid the catchphrases but steal your N._p._C.'s from your favorite movies T._v.. Shows books to give your world old a very rich feeling and a very consistent feeling fear players that utilise people call them post-mortems evaluations appraisals reviews retrospectives.

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Is MLB's Season in Danger? Rob Biertempfel & Tim Benz Recount Shelton's 1st Win, Pens Get Ready for Playoff Bubble

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Anyone with information on the two is asked to contact Pittsburgh police. The storm that slammed the Texas Gulf Coast as Hurricane Hanna on Saturday is now downgraded to a tropical depression, but it's still threatening worth flooding in Texas in Mexico. The National Hurricane Center expects the storm to dump up to a foot of rain or more on northeast Mexico, producing life, threatening flash, flooding and storm could set off minor river flooding in South Texas today. And Hurricane Douglas moving by the Hawaiian Islands with wind and rain, the center of the storm is about sixty miles north of Honolulu passing a watt who and Co overnight the low category one storm packing winds of eighty five miles, an hour at storm could produce high storm surge in heavy winds and rain authorities in Hawaii people impasse. You'd shelter place. A Republican Senator Says Slavery was quote the necessary evil upon which the Union was built and quote Arkansas Senator, Tom. Cotton made the. Comment in an interview published Sunday in the Arkansas Democrat gazette cotton was talking about a bill. He introduced last week. That would bar schools from using federal funds to teach sixteen nineteen project. That's an initiative from the new. York Times that approaches US history from sixteen nineteen when the first ships carrying enslaved Africans arrived in America. A. New yelp study reveals details of how severely impacted the food service industry is by COVID nineteen restrictions. The report shows at restaurants are among the hardest hit businesses by the corona virus stay home and shutdown orders across the country. Recent pandemic began yelps. Local economic impact report published Wednesday says sixty percent of restaurants that initially closed temporarily have since closed their doors permanently as of July tenth out of a total of more than twenty, six, thousand temporary. Nearly sixteen thousand, never going to reopen for business, the report also says nearly twenty five hundred bars and nightlife businesses now permanently closed around the country, the latest in our area to close permanently Shiloh grill on Mount Washington. According to a story on channel eleven's website their last day to be open tomorrow. It'll be their last bacon night. There are two other Harris locations downtown in Cheney side. Employees been offered positions at those locations. Worry states the closure is a combination of the pandemic and not being able to come to terms on a new lease. Earlier this month. Should Tara Sims of Kansas? City Missouri was having a very lucky day? She found a dollar bill at a grocery store parking lot. She used that Bach to buy lottery ticket and ended up winning one hundred dollars, but instead of taking that money for herself. She Tara who lost her job a month ago. It has been struggling to pay your bills. Bills decided to donate to the family of a police officer wounded in the line of duty ahead. Who is still an ICU? Her daughter had been murdered in two thousand twelve. She said the police were like therapists and father's lifelines to her and her family. Through the ordeal he made the donation anonymously no name no number, but somehow museum. Her generous donation students friend. Officers were able to figure out who had given the money and wanted to repay her kindness. They started a gofundme campaign for her in her family to raise more than one hundred forty six thousand dollars. From one lucky dollar bill and a gesture of kindness. Michael Jordan is making moves to achieve racial justice in Hollywood. The actor in collaboration with cholera change announced the launch of the Hashtag Change Hollywood initiative the initiative was made to create solutions towards racial justice in the entertainment industry plan includes ways to invest in anti-racists content in authentic black stories invest in black talent in reinvest police funds to support black communities. And, in music news if you're thinking the debut album from Wolfgang Wolfgang Van Halen News, the son of Eddie van, Halen is going to be the second coming of Van Halen thinking. Will fee says I'm not trying to be my dad, I'm just trying to be me. Wolf he plays all the instruments on the album. He also goes on to say quote. I cannot stress this enough. It's just made. This isn't made baiting you. And then all of a sudden day missing in the song or als drumming on one song or pop is doing a solo. It wouldn't be a so album then it's not a man halen album. It's a Wolfgang Van halen album end quote as for what we can expect. He says rock says it might venture into some poppy places in some places, but it's rock centered. He says he looks at is totally just a rock record. It's not done yet doesn't have a release date, but it's already been endorsed by Sammy Hagar. Who posted a note to Woolsey? He writes. The only way you'll ever be happy and satisfied as doing your own thing the way you hear it in your hand and feel it in your heart, you inherited genetically enough talent for ten lifetimes. You want. Her to couples snippets in their bad ass by run into you someplace. Once we get out of prison. Haha, stay safe, loved your mom and Dad Wolf responded. Thanks so much for the kind words Sam can't wait for you to hear it much love to you and your so again. No release date for that is set Anxious to hear. I think everybody's like Ma. Anxious to critique it. So, we'll find out sunny, hot humid temperatures today in the low nineties where it's seventy two degrees now in the. Of Al Puerto Rob you'RE GONNA. Join US at seven forty five this morning from the athletic. Pirates had a win yesterday. They do have their home opener today, so we'll talk buckles later today and it's. Nice to see some live sports happening I didn't think it was weird to not have fans in the stands I mean there aren't that many of our pirates games anyway, so it's really not that much of a difference, but while I talk the excitement of habit live sports back, Randy and bill both on vacation this week. It's the DV more. So all right. We're heading. Into August soon the election in November. Even though there's a pandemic, they're gonNA. Start doing some campaign events and trump in particular is like you know. You had to cancel one, but he's GonNa get out there and start doing it again now. The problem is he's been sued by a bunch of musicians because anytime. He uses people's music at one of his rallies. They get super pissed. He's been sued by Tom Petty. Panic at the Disco Neil Young. sued, or you know asked to stop you, Riana. Yeah. Elton John Rem Adele the rolling stones, guns and roses for L.. Brian May of Queen. and fire the OJ's. Paul Rodgers of free George Harrison's estate. Luchino poverty rotties estate. Princes estate. Steven Tyler from ACDC Dee Snider all of them said no cease and desist, but now there's a ban on the Midwest, a hair band that never really made it now and they want to. Have the president use this as a campaign song going forward because they just want, they want the notoriety. They just need some attention. They're called Dingle Cherry I think they're from Iowa. Have you heard of this man? I have not. No, but Amartya Fan. Yeah, so here's the song. They want the president to us. President trump. A. All. These wrecks. Just to watch. We've a song for you. In your. Long Your. Own Nobody's heard. The song doesn't ring a bell with ever ban. That's popular. Look told you to hail. The you'll young condemns your person Dalits e we are not rich enough to have a rally. T gasoline. Rushing? You. Showers. As. Expected. Among your own. Cherry so the you know. The president can use that one when he goes back out and be rest assured that he has their permission Good News There Dingle Cherries greatest hits available on spotify right now. If you WANNA, check out their back catalogue. Sports. Four dv East sports. The pirates get it done for the first time in twenty twenty yesterday afternoon in Saint. Louis, the bucks beat the cardinals five to one and return to Pittsburgh for tonight's home opener against Milwaukee with the record of one and two yesterday's win. Pretty significant Louis Manager Derek Shelton it was his first as manager of the pirates, and he wanted it for a number reasons from how badly. his team needed it to how well the pirates played to get it. Got It got it I mean it was exciting, really well quite game and things. Credit to our guys came along really well. You the home early couple homers early. Good at best buy soon a good at bat by Phil, Evans. Gonzalez did a nice job. Doing little thing moved to runner. I. Mean we execute it all way around? We caught the ball. we make plays Jacob songs that are really nice job behind the play, no, not only with Keller, but also Rube Acre. I thought was outstanding in his Major League debut now and then Birdie, coming in burning police I. Throw in a while where we're really sharp, so that was going to say. And actually look at baseball team yesterday. That wasn't always the case. During the first two games of the season, Friday night and Saturday afternoon eight hits for the bucks yesterday heard Shelton reference. Philip Evans started at third base for the second consecutive game, and went three for four Jose Suda and Colin Moran it their first home runs of the season, but the big story in terms of how the game was one was the pitching Mitch Keller started and went five innings allowed just two hits, and one earned run, and then jt Brubaker. Shelton referenced his Major League debut. He goes two innings and allowed three hits, but no runs and struck out four for the sixth. Got By brubaker came via the strikeout Michael Felise. Spotless eighth, Nick, Birdie. One inning he got the ninth yesterday and he struck out. All three batters that he faced to close things out in Saint. Louis the bucks beat the cardinals five to one and salvage one of three on the season opening weekend in Saint Louis. Things had gotten started on Friday night, and before they did pirates center fielder Jarrod dyson took a knee during the national anthem on Friday night in Saint Louis as or shortly after that occurred. Dirk. Shelton moved beside dyson and eventually put. A hand on dyson shoulder in an obvious show of support. Jar dyson talked about that. After the two thousand twenty baseball season finally got underway. I mean starting to. Grow. Equal opportunities and justice and It just meant a lot, you know. My Hat, my community wind, ten percent and We searched for change in this world, and I, it was going to get everybody to rally behind me and encourage me. To do the it and you know I feel great. It's just made a lot man. You know. Imagine how your heart. That's a lot you know. I. Give Her I got. You know I'm not taking a few of them in the bag like that as a special moment for me. Now plays for both teams as has been the case in a number of. Places in Major. League baseball players from both teams held a long black ribbon after the introductions and dyson, the only pirate to take a knee jerk Shelton said that the two talked about it. Before everything got started and He did what he did to show support for his player bucks. will be hosting. Milwaukee brewers tonight. Stephen brought getting the start for the pirates, but don't expect them the last long they're. Shelton would not reveal his plans as to the piggyback. Scenario that we're probably tonight, but it will be brought for openers. Against Adrian Houser of the brewers first pitch at PNC park. Scheduled four, seven, zero five, the penguins are in Toronto they are getting ready for an exhibition game on Tuesday afternoon against the Philadelphia Flyers and game one of the best to five qualifying round series against Montreal Canadian's on Saturday night. some good news the weekend Sidney. Crosby did not participate in Inter. Squad scrimmage number four on Saturday. It was held out of that, but he did rejoin his teammates for practice on Friday and he has an agenda for this week. That includes Tuesday afternoons game with Philly. Just Mondays. You know you know the students I guess. Is I the team. Oh. Yeah Open, that you know I can scale with the team Monday. There, but you know ideally I'd be able to play in that game on. Dates from there, but Open I get that came. As I mentioned conducted Intra Squad scrimmage number four on Saturday. The black rallied for five goals in the third period and beat the gold five to two two, and for the second time, the kind of balanced the lineup. Getting Malkin and Getting Malkin's line and Jared McCann's line played the black team. The Top Line with Evan Rodriguez replacing Sidney crosby and the Teddy girl fourth line played for the Gold Tristen Jari the goaltender for the Gold Matt Murray for the Black. Your goals were scored. By Brandon Tan of an Anthony Angelo for the gold Patrick was sent a couple for the black team also Brian Ross Patrick Marlowe. And Jared McCann ants so Looking up for the penguins, almost a fight in that scrimmage mechanics of actually dropped the gloves. Before they were separated by their teammates. Mike Sullivan called the feistiest of the four Intra squad scrimmage is which was the whole idea along? They're trying to ramp up and get ready for the Canadians on Saturday. Yeah, it's the only way to replicate that stuff, right? Across Grozny as we just heard hopeful that he can play, ideally, he'll be able to play against the flyers on Tuesday, and then go for their. He has missed significant time in training camp number two, but even when he's been away from his teammates, he's been able to escape and make some progress back. Yeah I mean ideally you know I. Like to eat a little bit more scrimmages and. In game situation things but. with that being said I think the fact that I've been able to escape for a good chunk of I'm will will help You know getting through that so yeah I mean it's. It's one of those things I've skit on my own for a long time I, didn't really? I needed another week of it, but that being said things are moving in the right direction so hopefully get in that exhibition game. Last last, but certainly not least the NFL Players Association have come to an agreement regarding how training camps are GonNa be conducted. Tom Plural throw of NFL network and NFL DOT COM. posted an email from the NFL PA to its members that was sent out on Saturday. it details the training camps except the chiefs and the Texans who are already underway. They're going to start the season on September tenth. Everybody else will play on Sunday or Monday. July Twenty eight through Thirty First Twenty, eight is tomorrow. Teams can conduct Cova Nineteen testing and player meetings that still I twenty, eight to thirty one, then August third to the eleventh, an acclimation period, which includes sixty minutes, a weight room, work and sixty minutes of on field, conditioning August twelfth to the sixteenth gradual ramp up period. That's first actual practice. Running plays and whatnot and then August seventeenth to September. Sixth contact integration period That's where you can start having your padded practices. The week of September seventh everybody will be in regular season mode. the training camp rosters are GONNA be eighty. Down from ninety, a big trade over the weekend in the NFL guys, the jets at all pro safety, Jamal Adams and a fourth round pick in twenty, twenty, two to Seattle. For Safety Bradley McDougal First Round picks in two, thousand, twenty, one and two, thousand and twenty, two and a third rounder in two thousand and twenty one that deal. Pending the fat passing physicals. By Jamal Adams and Bradley McDougal. That is your sports fell Dirk Shelton the dirk show near is off and running. And hopefully the Sidney. Crosby era is getting ready to continue for the pants. Yeah lots happening here in a few days time, so thanks for that Mike coming up at the top of the hour. We're GONNA remember Peter Green passing away founding member of fleetwood MAC, so we'll talk about him coming up at the top of the hour and we have Robert Temple talking pirates He's from the athletic. That'll be at seven forty five this morning. It's deepening show you know. The people I'm worried about are the Karens of the world you see bill. The karens of the world as we all come to know what a Karen is and. The type of person who has has is basically a cop of everything. They are sure they are on the lookout at all times and worried that Karen Federal. That's right. I'm worried they're. They're experiencing some burnout. That there is a an epidemic. Alongside the pandemic. Of Karen burnout so I, just want those those Karen's to know. You know what you can take a day off every once in a while care and Caring. Down you don't have to call the cops on that Nice Black Man, he's just trying to Moma's law. Karen Strangling the manager. Just doing his job, you gotta wear a massive. Why are you chewing up speeding out all your Kohl's cash Darren with the blonde. Long of. Your entitlement tidal jude just more. Many things to rage jet the next day. At Garin, noodles. Asian. She didn't bring no virus here to do job. Their parents are from Fresno cheese. Only, if dealing Karen. skippy and tie backs Bro. Drop your sign that Blips Bill Gates at nine and accuses him of tracking you through his back, see. Karen with the Blonde. A. Baby wants bad to. Maybe, it's time. To Sue this? In those nine one long readers. Karen you don't need to tear. Today. Jaren, your. a civil sheriff. Over There's more caring. More each day. You need to Karen. Karen. Stop. Berg. I've had food poisoning before twice. Yeah! From shellfish. Once back in the mid nineties. The other time was I got a milkshake at universal. Studios in Hollywood. Oh Wow, that's weird. That's a weird place. I know and within like an hour. At most it was like Whoa. Is when I can't imagine vow being in public and having that feeling like at least I was at home. And then we got home. Fortunately I was I got it on my way out the park. Okay so. Going back to my hotel yeah. Okay. Stranded and city walk. And you're just Clinton everywhere. Fast Duck Wa Andy. Bellman and the DVD morning show. It's seven o'clock. V. E. here is the channel. Eleven severe weather center, Severe Weather Center of. It is seventy degrees now a DVD on val porter search crews say they recovered the body of missing fourteen year old girl in the Monterey, over over the weekend Christina. Ri- was reportedly fishing with her family near West Mifflin. She got too far out and went under Saturday morning. Her body was discovered early Saturday afternoon. Police in Portland say they arrested two people Sunday evening after reports of shooting in the downtown area where protests have been coming going on for two months. One person who police say seems to have been associated with that shooting showed up at a hospital with a gunshot wound. It was a clear whether the shooting was related to the months long protests over racial injustice. Video is circulating on social media of Pittsburgh. Police officers shoving protester during a demonstration yesterday police had said about two hundred people demonstrated for about three hours between Sydney Street in the South side to the Birmingham Bridge before returning to where the protest began, the video seems to show to officers shoving a woman while on the bridge in a statement following the demonstration Pittsburgh police say they are aware of the video and reviewing all actions taken by officers, using body, cameras, city, cameras and other video. Assistant Secretary for health. Admiral Brent Jurassic. The US is working to ramp up the virus testing speaking on CNN state of the Union Gerardo says he won't stop until they're a rapid test results, he says turnaround times of increased one hundred forty percent faster and says most people get test results back in about twenty four hours, but does admit there are backlogs at national labs. Shera says quest and LABCORP. It will start pool testing to get results back faster. White House Chief of staff mark. Meadows is sticking up for the trump administration's response to the pandemic speaking on ABC's this week. Meadow says mask mandates are proving to be a great success. He says the President took unprecedented steps shutting down the economy when the outbreak I started Meta said over one million people a day are being tested in the US. In case, numbers are high, because more asymmetric people are getting tested. State Health Department officials say allegany county made up a large share of the most recent round of positive code nineteen tests on Sunday, eight hundred confirmed or probable corona virus cases were announced across Pennsylvania representative. Say One hundred thirty. Three of those new cases came from allegheny county alone. No new deaths were reported in the county elsewhere in our area. Westmoreland county had thirty one new positives announced yesterday Beaver County Fifteen. Fourteen in Washington county are and Butler counties had twelve new cases eight in Lawrence, four in Fayette Mercer had three Jefferson to in Greene County had just one new positive. And there are new policies and regulations in place at Fayette County prison after three officers and two inmates tested positive for Kobe last week, all staff will have to wear personal protection equipment, including face, coverings, gowns and face shields went in close contact with inmate. Visitation is being suspended for two and a half weeks a well as well among other changes, those three officers and nine others who reportedly showed symptoms of the virus are self quarantining at home. Well one silver lining to the pandemic work attire is relaxing employees working from home embraced. There's zoom shirt and they don't want to go back to stuffy wardrobe. A survey found only ten percent of employees want to return to the office wearing what they did before the pandemic style director at Esquire magazine confirmed quote. Dress codes have been gradually relaxing so much so that big banks got rid of suits and ties for most employees. the urban dictionary defines zoom shirt for men and women as being kept on the back of your desk chair to quickly be presentable for videoconferences, otherwise pretty much everybody working from home and comfortable clothes during the pandemic, the typical work from home attire has been shorts, no shoes and as zoom shirt. Bras optional for many women. And because of the pandemic, the highly anticipated sequel, Bill and Ted Face, the music will simultaneously premiere on demand, and in theaters. That's if they're open on September first. The movie which Reunites Keanu Reeves and Alex winter was originally set to open theaters on August twenty first, but has seen its release date moved several times. New Release Date was announced on Thursday along with for first full trailer that comes on the heels of the Christopher Nolan movie tenant and Disney's Mulan being indefinitely pulled from the release schedule. We'll have the trailer for the bill and Ted face of Music movie on the morning show page shortly. And in Music News ACDC have posted the Promo video of let me put my love into you. As part of the fortieth anniversary celebration for the back in black album that was released July, twenty, fifth nineteen eighty, so that was was the fortieth anniversary. The song was one of six filmed to promote the album, but was never issued you. Can all see see that video on the morning? Show page a D. V.. E. Dot Com. For more ACDC, album covers have been turned into Jigsaw Puzzles highway to hell. If you want blood, let there be rock and black ice bell be available on October, ninth as previously reported puzzles for covers of high-voltage for those about to rock. Blow up your video and ball breaker will be out on September fourth. Finally Peter Green Guitarist and founder of fleetwood MAC has passed away. He was seventy three. His family issued a statement saying it is with great sadness that the family of Peter Green announced his death this weekend peacefully in his sleep. A further statement will be provided in the coming days green first made his mark in nineteen, sixty, five, when John, mayall picked him or to replace Eric Clapton and the blues breakers. At the time they all said he might not be better than Clapton now, but you wait. He's going to be the best. Green left male and nineteen sixty seven, and along with former Blues Breakers Drummer Mick fleetwood and guitarist, Jeremy. Spencer Form Peter Green's fleetwood MAC featuring Jeremy Spencer Basis Bob Brennan was soon replaced by John mcvie, another member of the blues breakers. Here's Mick fleetwood about their first show on August thirteenth nineteen, sixty seven. It was sort of an astounding day. We were on the main stage quite frankly because of PD Green. There was a whole underground atmosphere that I related the Gunslinger Guitar Player. Eric Clapton left John. Mail formed the cream. Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page and and no one knew who fleetwood Mac was, but they knew Petey was to some extent. Here's again talking about the Peter Green Penned Song Oh well. Definitely, Palm, hostile feet with my do it on stage. I believe we always will do it. Of course, it's one appeal songs I think it's a classic song. It holds up. It demonstrated his ability as a songwriter in no uncertain terms and remember this. Oh, well pot, to which a lot of people have heard or know about that sort of somewhat interesting a great song. Here is Mick fleetwood once again, talking further about Peter Green. I've have much more. Pete and I think. It's fair to say that. When we were all playing together I was very much Pete's right hand. Man I'm for longtime missile literally drifted out. Of his life, and then out of my life, you know and I certainly made an effort to have him be somewhat par. The phone calls and stuff. And you just have to. Get into a whole different mode of. Talks about himself very objectively. Actually you know his journeys being a rough one. Dealing with schizophrenia reportedly due to taking bad acid, green, left abandoned nineteen seventy after their third album, sixty nine, then play on rejecting material goods and living on a commune green set at the time quote I've got to do what God would have me do start some kind of positive action despite newspaper, distortion, or whatever I'm not worried. If it means I'll fade away from public view, it's better to set a good example and quote. Green briefly rejoined fleetwood MAC in nineteen, seventy one, but that was just to help them honor dates when Jeremy Spencer joined a religious cult, he released seven albums has been featured on numerous compilations, even played guitar. Brown eyes on fleetwood MAC's nineteen seventy nine album TUSK. Grain was inducted into the rock and Roll Hall of fame with Fleetwood Mac in nineteen, Ninety Eight, and did perform at the ceremony, not with would Mac but with Santana and magic woman green was born Peter Allen Greenbaum Tober two, thousand, nine, hundred, nineteen, forty, six in London. He leaves behind a daughter Rosebud and a son Liam. The Concert Mc Flea would organize and tribute degree in this past. February is going to be released in the fall that show featured performances by David Gilmour. Billy Gibbons Pete Townsend Steven, Tyler Christine mcvie, Bill Wyman Kirk Hammett and many others, Peter Green dead at the age of seventy three forecast today, sunny, hot, and humid low nineties. It is seventy two now. A DVD and Nick fleetwood talked about Oh. Well which Peter Green wrote here it is Stevie. Through So one of my favorite things that you ever acknowledge was like. The baseball announcer talk now. They're really going to be struggling with the banter between one another with nobody in the craft so usually when the game is not so great. They can be like well. Look at that guy. There is really going at that hot dog, isn't he? Now that none of that, yeah! I think like the first time I ever did Devi, or early on I, told you guys about my dad's like. My uncle's like relationship with the announcer like his whole. For the longest time he just listened to the radio. Baseball on the radio on the like am transistor radio. All he did was complained that the announcer was not telling him the score. Frequently that's all I wanted to hear. Like the whole time to shouting. What's the score? What's the score more on? What's the score? Moron. His idea of the perfect broadcast would be. This scar is three to. Read it to is the scar. Three is three to one team has three. The other team has to. The team with res beating the team Hubei Margin of one. The score is three to. Hey folks if you've just joined us, the score is three to we're. We're going to go down to the field now for a special. Bob, what's going on, I married Larry Down here. The score is. Let's take a closer look at the number three. Not Number is a prime number only divisible by itself. It's one less than for one more than two that means if the team to where to get one more. Run the score within B three two three. Let's. Not Get Eber. Score is three to. Damn good broadcast. Until Oughta, get him. Emmy Award Staples. Devi. Sports. Support TV sports for this hour five bridge bill appliance. The pirates got it done yesterday afternoon. In Saint Louis Spivey to one buck goes deep, first win. Of the twenty twenty season, the pirates. Emerged from their season opening trip to Saint Louis with a record of one and two and their new manager, Derek Shelton collected his first victory as a major league skipper. If you were watching on TV at the end of the game on a t and t sports that you might have noticed. Shelton getting sprayed with a water bottle shower in the dugout by his players to celebrate the occasion, but as it turns out, that was just the beginning. Yeah I got a pretty severe shower and I think anybody that knows me knows that I'm pissed that we wasted that much beer, but yeah I got baby, powder and orange juice and apple juice. Just about everything, it's Probably the best show ever taken. A lot of coop, but I love her to talk about. You know little regret that they were wasting good beer. That otherwise could drink. This. Guy Likes Pearl Jam. He likes to joke about himself likes to drink beer. He's really coming off as you know at least in his media presentation. On Earth regular guy that has taken this job and is trying to do with a lot of people think is impossible, and that's win with the pirates They won yesterday in part because the bullpen was outstanding. we may emerge from spring training. Two point thought the bullpen was far and away the weak link on this team and I. Still Think it's a problem, but the way jt Brubaker Michael. Felise a nick. Birdie threw the ball. Yesterday was attention getting, and then some Brubaker, making his big league debut, went two innings, and struck out four felise, a scoreless, eighth and. And birdie scoreless nineteen struck out three. The bullpen gave the pirates four innings of three hits, scoreless relief yesterday, and produced eight of the team's ten strikeouts It was a major league debut for Brubaker, but he was more excited about being a part of Shelton getting his first win, or maybe at least as excited about being a part of getting Shelton I win. Honestly, words can't describe it. watch what he went through and how he he did, everything was spring training and the second spring training. How Active? He was with the team interactive just. Always, talking to everybody on the field, and then all of a sudden to get his first win. I think. It meant a lot to a lot of people in the clubhouse. Like I. Say I can't describe it. It's something that. Is. A once in a lifetime opportunity and I've seen a lot of his videos and he'll quoted. A lot here to have fun and he's here to. Make US better so. That's what he that's what he's been doing. Dirk Shelton definitely looks like a guy who a easily able to relate with his players and vice versa here in the early going. Now you know if they if they wake up. A while from now at nine thirty, it's not gonNA matter a whole lot, but for the time being at least everybody's on the same page in everybody, has great chemistry and Camaraderie Bucks Open the home portion of their season tonight against the Milwaukee brewers Stephen Brown. It's GonNa Start, but don't expect it to hang around a whole lot or for very long by design of dirt, Chilton wouldn't tip his hand yesterday on. What the pitching plans are, but broad at least going to start, we'll see what happens after that. Penguins are in Toronto up in the bubble, and they're getting ready for an exhibition game against the flyers at four o'clock tomorrow afternoon in Game One against the Canadians in the qualifying round best of five on Saturday night, they played their fourth intra squad scrimmage last Saturday Sidney crosby sat that out, but he had returned to practice on Friday, and when he rejoined his teammates The group responded with a group. Stick tap. Here's Jared McCann. We thought he was little lane for practice, but no, he's just on the other side bag with their skills coach Sylvia. We let them know that your. Head coach Mike Sullivan thought the gesture appropriate given crosby status among the group. I thought it was a great gesture on behalf of of his teammates. I just think it speaks to. Of the respect that he commands amongst his peers and and the importance that he that he brings to our team, and so you know when CID as part of the active practice and and I just think it elevates our whole level of intensity and execution out there and so. For me, I that that gesture. I felt really good. Force it I'm sure he felt pretty good as well. To, know how much teammate's respect them and they care about them so for me. That's what the whole represented. Crosby said he's hopeful he can play in the exhibition game against the flyers on Tuesday. Go for their. That's four o'clock puck. DROP UP IN TORONTO WE'LL have that one for you on the pence flagship one. Oh, five, nine, the Ex, you can also catch on at and T. Sports Net the black team rallied for five goals in third period, and beat the golden that scrimmage on Saturday. Final score was five to Matt. Murray the winning goaltender Tristan Jari allowed four goals. In the net for the gold feistiness. Ramped up intensity, more competitiveness Mike Solvent said he's seeing these things. Growing throughout these four inter squad scrimmages at the penguin staged and kind of likes where they're at as they continue prepping for the Canadians things were combative enough on Saturday that there was even an almost fight. Jared, McCain and Brandon Tan dropped the gloves, but wound up being separated by teammates before they could actually punch each other I. Guess that's the line. You don't want to cross value. You WanNa. Get ready to be intense. And battle a guy, but you don't WanNa hit a teammate in the face. The now that's no good, probably a good place to pull back and say hey, it's just practice. Just maybe cock your arm. I want to. The NFL and I'm sure that doesn't hurt. But there's a lot of fun. They're. The NFL players. Association have a deal for training camps. The chiefs and Texans were scheduled to get an earlier start than everyone else 'cause they're going to open the season on September tenth for everybody else. according to Tom Purtzer politico of NFL network and NFL DOT COM, July the twenty eighth tomorrow was the first day that teams can begin virtual meetings and covert nineteen testing. On August the first and second, it's time for physicals and handing out of equipment. The acclimation period begins on the third. That's. Conditioning and weightlifting the gradual ramp up. Period is August twelfth to sixteenth. Contact Integration period starts on August seventeenth, and then on September the seventh regular season. Preparation begins going to be a training camp unlike any anyone has experienced, but This is where we are in. This is the direction. In which the NFL has to go to deal with football in a pandemic wanted to bounce back to the pirates here because their season opening weekend in Saint Louis also included a pretty emotional moment prior to the opener on Friday night jar jar, Dyson, who is draw diced. Excuse me WHO's starting in center field. took a knee during the national anthem pirates player to do so, but he clearly had a manager Dirk Shelton's support came over and stood next to him and put a hand on Thyssen's shoulder. The players as was the case in a number of places in Major League Baseball had held a long black ribbon both teams Holding a ribbon in show of support for social justice issues. We heard a little bit last hour from Gerard Dyson. Talking about why he did what he did, he didn't WanNa talk a whole lot about that Friday night. He said it was what was in his heart and what he wanted to do at the time. And then after that it was time to focus in and. Go about the business to try to win baseball game once the game starts Dr dyson emphasize. That's all he's thinking. About is the game, but the social justice movement is prominent in his thoughts, as it is with a lot of people right now and He had talked about that, too. a much more extensive decree. During the pirates spring training two point Oh. one of the things that he addressed is. How gesture such as a knee for the national anthem are perceived by Dyson and others to be important, but they can only go so far. What I want to say is mad. Like for that we try best has been African. American, you know SIP where a lot of racist stuff on, but the scientists. Live. I, can't you know go home every night? Word about why they act like they're why someone? WanNa. Be Racist toward me at the science I gotTa Still Tim much how how to go about his his life, the right way and not be racist towards nobody no matter how they are towards you and You know we get tired of seeing it as a whole. An African. Americans we do and I don't think it's so much. We can do I think it's more so with the people that have been raised need to do more than US weekend. We can more. We can hold signs all day, but I can't change you. You know you had to change you? So whoever is going to be racist in the world, you know they need to go home and look look in the mirror and realize that ain't in his were themselves. That's how I look at it. You know I don't WanNa be in a world which is black people. I want to be in the world with all raise you know. Allocate everybody to sign him because I have lot of good white friends and Latin friends that. I consider brothers to me. And you know I'm not going to stop treating them the same way I treat them because. You know. PEOPLE WANNA be racist towards black people, but you know. My friends my friends, my family, my family. You know a little of all. I don't hate no one. I just wish people you know would change out themselves. You know instead of waiting for us to push agenda across to make him change. You know know if you raise his or not. You Know I. Don't have to tell you that you wake up. You know what's on your mind. You know how you you view other people and you know how you view yourself and your own kind so. I love all. Pretty powerful stuff there from dyson. Of the pirates last, but not least sad note from hockey. throttle Maple leafs announced yesterday that Eddie Shack has passed away at the age of eighty three. died from throat cancer. He was one of the flamboyant characters. In National Hockey League. History played for six teams. won four Stanley Cups with the maple leafs in the nineteen sixties in his tenure with the leafs including scoring the game winning goal in the nineteen sixty three Stanley Cup final Eddie Shack was briefly a member of the penguins. he played with the Pittsburgh Penguins the complete season in nineteen, seventy, two, seventy, three seventy four games played yet twenty five goals twentieth assists and forty five points eighty seven career games played. With the Penguins and Eddie Shack a guy who could score. He could hit. could entertain He just a charisma. Him! Briefly in Pittsburgh. He was part of a line with Ron. Shock and Ken Schinkel the. Shaq Shaq Schinkel line. They weren't around a long time, but They were around for a while and as popular as he was in a pretty good Second, line player third-line player Eddie Shack, also part of one of the worst trades in penguins history on March, the fourth nineteen seventy. they acquired him from the Buffalo Sabres for a kid named Rene Ro bear. who had played just forty nine games at a penguins uniform or narrow went on to join with. Gil Perot and Rick Martin and Buffalo to form the fabled French connection line, which was a whole lot better than the shack shawkshank line. They actually have a statue of the French connection lineup of Buffalo. Eddie Shack a guy who will not be soon forgotten. Career totals of two hundred thirty nine goals, four, hundred sixty five points and one thousand, four hundred at thirty one penalty minutes in one, thousand and forty seven. NHL, Game See. You got to be pretty good to play thousand or more games and Eddie. Shack did that They once wrote a song about him in Toronto called clear. The track here comes shack. and. Associated Press Valley actually had a deal with Gordie. Howe, they used to knock the crap out of each other and now suppose L- supposedly they met in a golf tournament. In Vermont, off season, after shack, had knocked out how for a second time and they agreed not to hit each other anymore. They had that ahead. Shake agreement. Like gentle, even Gordie. Howe loved any shack. That's TV sports. Thanks! Mike when we come back. We're going to be joined by Rob Your Temple of the athletic. We'll talk with him next it's. It's TV morning show on val porter with might pursue the our producer Joe Rickey Randy and fill both off this week enjoying some vacation time joining us now from the Athletic Rob Beer Temple. Thanks for joining us this morning. Rob I gotta ask it is the F. Silent in your name. Actually it's not it's. It's Kinda. Pronounce it, but it's Kinda quick. German hydro. Get done. Well, I appreciate you joining us this morning. It's baseball season. Yes, it is for now at least. For. Now, yes, it was fun to watch games this weekend. Yeah Yeah. It's Nice I mean even without the the usual you know fans, and and all the I guess pomp that comes with opening day. It was nice to have ball back and have games to write about that. That means something It feels like I've been reading about nothing in in a way. Swell absence you know since the last season, but It was good to have it back and I think. You know I it's starting to feel I. DON'T WANNA. Say Normal because that's normal right now, but it feels a little bit more regular and we'll see how we can keep it going I mean you know. The MARLINS had four guys test positive yet weekend. We'll outbreak there, so we'll see how well you know peaking containers and keep going. Rob Big Day for the pirates, yesterday and Derek Shelton in particular. I, I've been doing the zoom thing with this guy ever since they started spring training, two point Oh and. The way he comes across just the the normal I like Pearl Jam. I like drink beer. I like manager baseball type of vibe that he's kick it out there It's been remarkable to me. you spend a lot more time around him? Since he got hired and in spring training, it appears real least for were from where I'm sitting this. Is this really who? This guy is at least right now? Yeah I think so I mean he really does seem to Earth, and you know different not to say difference better, but I. I think it is in some ways different than the last group that was in here. He just seems look more relatable and I think the players really have spoken about. That's just about you know they all use the word communication when they talk about him in the and the fact that they're able to. Just get a sense of of what he's about, and and I think he relates to them all pretty well, he. I mean he he I remember running into him at the winter meetings in in in the hallway of the hotel. And we've met him. You know the day he was hired I think maybe once after that and group just kind of rushing by, and actually he was the guy that cut his stopped and. Called me and said Hey, how you doing rob. And I went there for a second I had to squint him like that's the new manager. So it was you know it. It kinda shows how he's making an effort, not even just with just the players, but everybody around the organization to kind of ingrained himself, and what what? This group is about and to remake himself at home here to make other people kind of feel at home around him as well and you're right to the about you know just the you know the music and talking about you know. We got the beer shower after wing today. He says you know how I hate to see. That much bureau go to waste It's nice. It's a lighthearted. He's a star cast a Guy Times too and I think a lot of players appreciate that 'cause. It's you know you don't feel like you're being talked down to think. They. Have more percents that. A little bit more of any kind of relationship. And a little self deprecating Or maybe or maybe just to let everybody know. Hey. I'M GONNA I'm? GonNa screw up to we'll. We'll deal with it. I think that's something that was was needed with with. This team is a little sense that you know. We're kind of human here and things that are gonNA go bad, sometimes but it's not going to be the end of the world. I mean you know after the own to start? As bad as they looked in second game Yeah, he was Kinda. You kept saying you know I'm I'm not going to be a guy. That's GONNA. It's GonNa hit the panic button especially after two games, even if it is two games and just six. And they were not yesterday. You looked at the lineup. I have to admit there. A lot of people and I was one of them scratching my head at the. Newman out of that leadoff spot, and in some cases you, that would require you scrambling everything just to keep you know bell with his spot where he just moved up on notch and it worked. So. You can't argue with that. The other thing that really Surprised is not a strong enough word way the bullpen performed. you know coming out of this spring training two point Oh. Are you gangs of New York Fan. I watch a few times. I thought the pirates ballpen instead of being firemen. They would be like the firemen and gangs of New York where they would just show up and not that they would necessarily fight each other literally, but the job would not get done on a regular basis. It would be affected similar to the firemen in gangs of New York, but JT. Brubaker Michael Felise and Nick Party. Wow, I mean. Is that what they're counting on from. These guys are they just throw them out there to see what happens and Oh, hey, that worked well. I think what Brubaker is. He's a kind of A. He's benefiting from the circumstances in a way 'cause he was really ticketed to begin the season, the AAA and their rotation, and then they had a need. You know for some arms. I think they looked at that bullpen. Sheltie and Ben shared have been saying all along kind of. Still kind of figuring out roles in his bullpen, and how guys will be used, and how? What's the best combination in, and it might change from night tonight. I think they kind of had an inkling. As. It may Birdie might be more of your long-term answer. As closer you know. Given Keller's uncertain status and the fact that he's you know he's GonNa. Leave after this season. So birdies the guy that I think they would like to be able to grab hold of that role and take hold of it. Out We'll see you know I still think there'll be times from doing. They'll put cow creek in that in that position for some saves and see how that goes. But I think yeah, Brubaker. Wow, you know. This the opposite off speed stuff in the slider was Roy devastating yesterday and I think it was a little of a case of the cards have had a big book on this guy. And come anathema with his best stuff. You know kind of overwhelmed him a little bit, and that's exactly what you need to see from a guy that kind of circumstance I really thought coming into. The bullpen was going to be. It's time to turn things over a little bit there. I mean you're gonNA. Lose your closer. You need to find guys new rules Richard. Rodriguez has her a couple of years. He's hit the wrong soccer thirty now, so there's GonNa. Be Some change over the next year or two, so it's good to see younger guys you know like Brubaker and Birdie. Kind of stepping up now and Micheal Felice. Waiting on Big Mike for Awhile now, so make this really will be the year where he figures out how to put it all together. Make something happen. Perhaps gear cold trade will work out after all. You talked about the lineup, a little bit at the start and Philip Evans was in it. The last two games We saw a little cold tucker in the outfield How much is shelton going to Mix and match? Okay, you go here tonight. You go there tomorrow and just sort of let things role in day to day. Basis it. It's it's appearing to me at least that from one day to the next. Things are going to continually change. Yeah Yeah. I think you're GONNA have to see some of that The circumstances to big Greg prolonged comes back this week. We're expecting him to come back this week. you know sheltie admitted right from the Giddy up. They're gonNA use him as the D. H. probably in his first game, just to try to get them back in the lineup and get him up to speed. And even after that. You know the medical staff and Greg have said in the past to the shoulder is going to be something that requires a lot of maintenance and care from here on out. And he's not going to be you know one hundred sixty two games in the outfield all the time and and having a d. h. is a nice regional. Keep his bat in the lineup, and get him off his feet and breast that shoulder a little bit, so you're GonNa see him out there. Some of the situations where you know, you have guys who let's face or less than stellar defensively like Josh Bell Comb, and you're gonNA. WanNa put them in the field when you can, but you're also gonNA. WanNa put them in that spot. So you know the ages is a nice tool to have. you know in this kind of sense so that you can move guys in and out of it rest, guys. Maybe take is out of the lineup when they would be vulnerable maybe guide if he's having a rough stretch defensively, you know. Some teams used the D. H.. Put a big bopper there and boom there you're set, but the pirates are gonNA. Take a different approach with that, and that'll you'll see the ripples of up and down that lineup. Rob The great stuff was always a really appreciate it, and hey, look forward to seeing yon on zoom tonight. I'll be there man talk to you then. I've seen more. You guys that I have anybody else last couple of three weeks. It has. been hasn't. Been Dull. No. It hasn't been weird though I mean I I don't know if you know doing a whole season soon, it's going to try to be back. Thank God. It's only sixty games, but it's it's different. It's all say that you know. It's it's tough to get those little nuggets, sometimes that you like to get out of a player when you're zoom in, and you got you got joke lock and break them and made the broadcast crew lingering in the background and. Kind of who knows how many people from pirates staff working on there as well so Yeah, it's a different kind of interviewing and that's for sure Thanks Rob Checkout Rob's work at the athletic dot. COM appreciate you joining us this morning, good day. New Problem Take Care of. Talk to you soon I'll have news coming up next Mike at the bottom of the hour with sports at the DV. So when you make your Sauerkraut, do you prefer it with hotdogs? Kill bossy or like pork chops. I like hotdogs. Pork I'm not a leg with hotdogs. STOKES UP, all the Jews, there. This is making you not like it more. They become very plump and juicy. Let me. Hear a little more. Crowd, dogs. Val talking slow about crowd dogs in the morning. My heart like is. It's so club and. Randy Dolphin and the DV morning show. It's five after eight a D. V. here's a channel eleven, severe weather, center and Severe Weather Center of. It is seventy three degrees at DVD. The news is brought to us by Wendy's. The body of Congressmen and civil rights icon John Lewis will lie in state at the US. Capitol this week. There will be an invitation only arrival ceremony this afternoon. The public can pay their respects to Lewis's casket in the Capitol Rotunda today and tomorrow the honor and the capital follows a weekend of celebrations of his life Sunday. A procession carried his casket over the Edmund pettus bridge in Selma. For a final time in nineteen, sixty five, the bridge was the site of violent clashes between policies and marchers including Lewis. who was badly beaten later this week? There will be a funeral for him in Georgia. President Donald Trump is scheduled to visit North Carolina later today he will tour. The FUJIFILM Diaz in technology is plant in Morrisville to get a look at work being done to develop a new vaccine against the corona virus, the biotech center has been tasked with mass producing key components of the vaccine developed by fax. Novak's was recently awarded a federal grant, totally one point six billion dollars under operation warp speed. Trump's visit comes as phase. Three of human clinical trials are set to begin within just a few weeks. Federal, unemployment, benefits and Friday Congress is working to pass a fourth round of code stimulus, speaking on Fox News Sunday Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin says the Administration and Senate Republicans are on the same page. He says the roughly trillion dollar. Gop Bill will be introduced today, and he expects it to pass quickly. Says federal unemployment benefits will be reduced to up to seventy percent of your income meaning they fixed the technical issue where people working were not working and collecting unemployment earned more than they were when they were when they were on the job. The Greater Pittsburgh Community Food Bank is holding food distributions this tomorrow? July twenty eighth from eleven to one of the Big Butler fairgrounds on Wednesday the Twenty Nineth at the Hiram G Andrews Center in Johnstown starting at noon, and then Thursday a drive up distribution event from seven to one at Greene. County fairgrounds. Some local amusement parks, changing their schedules starting today, Kennywood going to be closed Mondays and Tuesdays for the remainder of the season. Officials say it's because of low attendance. According to a story on channel eleven's website, officials say the park has not been hitting its maximum thirty percent capacity. They will be open though on labor. Day that's a Monday, and that will be through the rest of the season. Representatives with Idyllwild and Soak Zone. Say they're cutting back on their open days season. As well starting this week, the park will be opened Friday through Sunday only a, but they also will be open. Monday Labor Day in a facebook post. The ligonier amusement parks as they needed to adapt due to the COVID nineteen pandemic. They expect more information about their false scheduled to be out soon. The Walt Disney Company tightening health and safety regulations there California and Florida theme parks in the update. The company redefined what type of mask it fires all guests over the age of two to where it walt. Disneyworld in Florida and downtown, Disney and California Net gators and. Chin Triangle Bandannas no longer acceptable face coverings. Masks must be secured with ties or ear loops Gasser also not allowed to eat or drink while walking. Visitors have to be stationary while. Having a drink or something to eat while all four theme parks at Disneyworld, they're open. The company is holding off reopening California's theme park per portion and resort hotels as corona virus cases continue to surge across the state. A UFO researcher says citing unidentified flying objects are up more than fifty percent during the pandemic Chris. Rakowski tracks the savings by UFO organizations from the Canadian government and through social media, he said a lot of the increase is coming from ordinary people. Just looking up at the sky. He told CVT. Most of the cases can be explained, but there about three percent of them that cannot be explained. And this sounds like a pretty awesome deal following in the footsteps of the Caribbean island of Barbados the government of Bermuda, as announced a new residency policy that allows remote workers and students to spend a year on the island. If you're interested, check it out. You got to be eighteen years or older have health insurance and have proof of employment or enrollment in a higher education program, and with so many people working remotely. And might be a nice change of scenery. I don't know where I sit. It's in a corner. A little desk idea of a window to look out of but. I'll know. Barbados might not be such a bad place to go and Bermuda. All a man rafting on a C. Adventure in Canada was able to save with a save and bond with a coyote poppy. The man named Justin was rafting down a river in Saskatchewan when I saw the puck struggling in the river, he jumped into the water to get the coyote into his raft, and was all scary. The PUP was unconscious, but just perform CPR on the little coyote. He was able to push on its belly to clear water out of it. It worked. The PUP started breathing. He warmed up the animal with a fire on shore He was in the middle of Solo, rafting trip on the red deer and South Saskatchewan River so he kept the pup along for the ride, and he named him. Yip Yip the end of the trip. Justin gave the pop to a wildlife shelter where he is continuing his rehab once he's old enough to fend for himself, he will be released back into the wild. Actress Spencer grammer daughter of Kelsey grammer and star of Rick and Morty was injured in a knife attack outside a New York, city restaurant Friday night, Spencer and her friend were eating at an outside table about eleven thirty PM. When a man demanded to be served by the restaurant, which was closing, the man started to get pissed off. Police say the actress and her friend attempted to break up dispute between the identify unidentified. Unidentified male and other customers at the restaurant Spencer Telling Fox News via harrap that she and her friend did what anyone else would do in the same situation and were just attempting to prevent the altercation from escalating, she says earlier reports exaggerated injuries, explaining quote I just sustained the laceration on my arm. My friend was stabbed in the back, but thankfully he suffered no serious internal injuries. We expect to recover quickly. End Quote. And we talked last hour about fleetwood Mac, founding member Peter Green passing over the weekend. Well, the early years of Fleetwood Mac are being honored with a massive new box set fleetwood Mac nineteen, sixty nine to nineteen, seventy, four will include seven studio albums. The band came out with before Stevie Nicks, and Lindsey, Buckingham joined the group the box that will also include bonus tracks, alternate versions, and a previously unreleased live concert from nineteen, seventy, four fleetwood MAC, sixty, nine, seventy four will be out September fourth. And a couple more celebrity deaths from the weekend actress Olivia de Havilland died at the age of one hundred four She won the Academy Award for Best Actress. Twice and flowers and tributes, being laid on Regis Philbin Star on the Hollywood walk of fame. The TV personality died from natural causes at his New York home at the age of eighty eight He worked in local television in Los Angeles and in San Diego. He moved to New York where he did. Live, with Regis and Kathy Lee and then it was Kelly Ripa and he did who wants to be a millionaire and he was on the David Letterman show a ton of times, and I hope I. Hope that he was the same guy. He seemed like he seemed like such an awesome one guy so goofy, and he he and David Letterman, had a great great relationship so Regis Philbin dead at the age of eighty eight forecast today, hot, humid, sunny temperatures in the low nineties, word seventy four now, a DVD Mike's coming up at the bottom of the hour. I mean you. Probably say it was a nice weekend for the pirates. They ended up with a win, so we'll talk about them. Having the home opener today and other stuff going on to with the penguins and the steelers, mice got board at the bottom of the hour to dvd morning. Morning Show! What is your egregious error of all time? Oh my God well my most egregious error. Why haven't I had when I was when I was with The I was with the Red Sox. Who Was Open Dan, TORONTO? and those fans are hockey fan so like you go to Toronto all right buck. Normal baseball crowd. He's going to be pairing you. The whole game is the way they go. You know no, it was bases-loaded. I just tied the game in the eight thousand eight. Yeah I was like big hit. I tied it I tied it. I think got tired. four four. And I was excited because my first start for the red sox. Come back down. Come back in the bottom of the eighth inning. And the Blue Jays their bases loaded and two outs and Greg Zahn comes up. who was the Catcher for the Blue Jays? Yeah and and there was one. There was one out so I remember thinking to myself, man if I get hit to my right, I'm going to turn to. If it sits slow, I gotTA charge and get the guy to play. You know always going through my head well as these things are going through my head I, pitch on hits, a fricking absolute rocket to me. It it one hops. And our skills off Mike well, they you know when you when you can't get the ball like you have an iron skillet on your hand. You forgot to get your gloves Bowman skillet from my glove, because down the right field line. Three run score right, and I'm like Oh my God. I JUST WANNA. Be Make me a bird, so I can fly away like I'm so. Falls down. Oh, all three runs score, and sixty thousand people in Toronto Start Chanting K. C. K.. For like. Five minutes on Casey Casey. And I'm like Oh. My God I awful awful. How does happen like awful, but that was staples. Sports. Sports brought to you this hour by dormont apply. It's H.. Teams have descended upon the bubble cities in Canada, Toronto and Edmonton. The PENGUINS ARE UP IN TORONTO GETTING READY FOR AN exhibition game against the Philadelphia Flyers tomorrow, afternoon, and then game one of the preliminary qualifying round best of five. Playoff for the playoffs series against the Macho Canadians that starts on Saturday night captain, Sidney. Crosby returned to practice on Friday didn't participate in Intra. Squad scrimmage number four on Saturday, but he spent a little time with the media, talking about among other things, the overriding emotion of team, looking ahead to the flyers exhibition on Tuesday in Game One against the haves. I think just the excitement. I think that you know guys are eager who play? Separate situation there is a lot of new things that you know we're going to have to deal with, but I think that being said I think you know guys seem really passionate. Work even. When probably wasn't the easiest thing to do? You know it's a layoff, so I think that's that's probably the biggest thing I think for for any team leading us. It's something you're gonNA. Have to get better as things. Go along with every game. You have to get better, so that'll be a big challenge. That's that's not an uncommon philosophy. The crosby expressed just areas Said really as long as a for as long as I can remember that the teams that ultimately thrive. Survive and succeed in the playoffs or the ones that are able to keep elevating their game. Everybody's GonNa have to do that quickly. best of five, not as much time to mess around as your traditional best of seven. Coach Mike Sullivan. Liked what he saw in Saturday's intra squad scrimmage number four in terms of how combat plan. HOW FEISTY! That's something that Sullivan and his coaches of trying to. Draw out of his team. You know without going over the line, but trying to get battle ready and game ready throughout the training camp period prior to the departure for Toronto. I just think it's an indication of their investment. Into into this into this process this opportunity you know I think our guys are excited to play and. they're trying to get themselves came ready and You know you always walk that fine line when you when you holding into squads of of trying to play the game hard and play the game the right way. Of the physical when you have an opportunity, but but making sure that That that you're respectfully teammates and at so I thought our guys. That are will be job. In that regard it was it was I thought the most intense. It's squad that we had today and that only makes sense to be with each additional into squad. That that we had. We were hoping we will get closer and closer to the to the game. Effort that that it's GonNa take to have success in this playoff. So you know like I said we're. We're pleased with the private school. You need that to this point. We're looking forward to the next step. That combative nature of Intra. Squad scrimmage number four included an almost fight between jared McCann and Brandon Tan of the dropped gloves, but did not exchange blows. We'll have that flyers exhibition game for you on our brother station. Your pen, slag ship one. Oh, five nine, the experts at four o'clock. Tomorrow afternoon, that's also going to be broadcast by ATT, Sports Net and game one against the Katie. It's coming up on Saturday night. From Toronto Lot to like about the pirates victory over the cardinals five to one yesterday at Busch Stadium in Saint. Louis the pirates winning. For the first time this season and it included the five really solid ending star, Mitch Keller and an outstanding work by the bullpen jt Brubaker in his major league debut, two scoreless Innings and four strikeouts Michael Felice Nick Party. The lasting three strikeouts Birdie is the pirates just shut the cardinals down after falling behind one to nothing and then jumping ahead with three runs. In the fourth inning that included the first home. Run The season for Colin. Moran and the First Long Ball of the Campaign for Jose Osuna Book owes are getting ready to host Milwaukee tonight and tonight. Starting pitcher will be Stephen brought, although he's not expected to finish or pitches long as a traditional starter otherwise might manager Derek. Shelton not willing to tip his hand yesterday. On his pitching plants for tonight, but it was willing to discuss one of the unique elements of yesterday's game. That included Pitcher Derek Holland. Who Wasn't in the game? Getting thrown out of the game by. The whole plane on fire Jordan banker dirk called apparently complaining about balls and strikes calls while his Buddy Mitch Keller was pitching for the pirates and Baker hurt something he didn't care to from Holland who was sitting in the stands. Holland gets thrown out and then the manager dirt. Shelton comes out to defend his player and maybe otherwise sort out. WHAT THE HELL! Hell was going on and that led to a socially distanced argument between Shelton and hope played up. Jordan Baker Yeah. I think Jordan. Jordan really good job with it, I. We were trying to stay distance which we both were aware of and in his mask, broke midway through it so I wanted to make sure that my mass state up and He was great, he handled. It professionally ended up. Jackson Holland which those kind of things happen but I think it was the first time and we were both in an unknown area. And then when I went out there later, we'd find a got a chuckle out of it, but it was the first time and you know just making sure. We stayed away from each other. House to read, wasn't it? I think it will put the empire's masks broke, and he just said that grab it all up in front of his face, and they're maintaining their distance. It was. Very baseball in the midst of a pandemic like moment and We're probably going to see a lot of stuff that we're not used to see. As the game continues here, but so happy, it's back. Can't. Leave St Lois without acknowledging one more time. Center fielder draw dyson and his decision to kneel for the national anthem prior to a Friday nights season opening game. He didn't WanNa make a huge deal about it, but he said it's something he wanted to do. And it's something dark shelton. A new manager supported All Cross, League baseball players from both of the teams that are given venue. Have Been Acknowledging and supporting social justice issues by grabbing a black ribbon that stretches along each baseline. Everybody with hands on the black ribbon and a symbolic gesture and a draw dyson, taking it a little bit further for the pirates. He had also spoken extensively. Trading two point. Oh, about social justice, and what's been happening and what needs to happen To, me is worth revisiting. But I want to say mad like for that We try best been African American. You know Mississippi where I seen a lot of races stuff going on, but at the same time. You know I gotta live life I can't. I. Can't you know go home every night? Word about why like why someone would WanNa be racist toward me at the scientific gotta still tell much how how to go about his his life, the right way and not be racist towards nobody no matter no matter how they are towards you. And You know we get tired of seeing it as a whole. As African Americans we do, and I don't think is so much we can do. I think it's more so with the people has been raised. Need to do more than US could weekend we can more. We can whole size all day, but. I can't change you. You had to change you. So, whoever is going to be racist in the world, you know they need to go home and look at look themselves mirror rely. They ain't and his whereabouts themselves. That's how I look at it. You know I don't want to be in a world which is black people I want to be in the world with our race. You know look at everybody sign because I have a lot of good white friends and Latin friends that. I consider brothers to me. And? You know I'm not going. Stop treating them the same way. I treat them because. You know people want to be racist toys. People, but you know. My friends, my friends, my family, my family. You know a little of all I don't hate no one. I just wish people you know would change on themselves. You know instead of waiting for us to push agenda across to make change. You know you know if you raise his or not. You know I don't have to tell you that you wake up. You know what's on your mind. You know how you view other people and you know how you view yourself and your own kind so. I love all. On the other side of the Neil or neal question, regarding the national anthem at sporting events is aliquippa legend Mike Ditka who these days is in charge of something called the X.. League, which is a women's Professional Football League Mike. ditka interviewed by tmz about kneeling for the national anthem. It was up to me. I'd say no. If you can't respect our national anthem. Get the hell out of the country. then. That's the way I feel. Of course I'm old fashioned so I'm only going to say what I feel. I think there's a way that you you protested as away. You don't protest. Against the flagging process just this country. Who's given you the opportunity to make a living playing a sport that I? Never thought what would happen so I i. don't WanNa hear all the crap you want to try to you, don't it's okay? He sounds. He is all. For forget his his points of view he he sounds physically old. Ask some tough miles. been run by coach Dick over the years July Twenty Eighth Tomorrow Training Camp Opens for the steelers and the rest of the NFL other than the Kansas City chiefs. And Houston Texans who were already scheduled to get underway since they'll play each other on September, the tenth virtual meetings and covert testing from July, the twenty eighth of the thirty first and then conditioning and things of that nature. There's not going to be any actual practicing football until August the twelfth, but the NFL's got a plan in place. And hopefully eventually they get there as well. We're already seen major league baseball being played. Hockey is coming up fast and then hopefully football not too far behind I Dunno I watched so much baseball over the weekend didn't even better it I didn't even mind much that the weren't any fans. I just realized. I watched a little bit of that first game. Thursday, between the nationals and the nationals, and the Yankees that right. Just doesn't seem right. and then someone yesterday's pirates, game and there. Are they playing crowd sound in the stadium because it sounds like regular Baltimore. On the? CAST anyway. I? Think one of the reasons are doing that is so the players Umpires don't hear as much of what they're saying to each other. They're called. I couldn't tell if it was actually happening, or if it was an auditory hallucination, that I was having just thinking as that crowd noise, but yeah I guess it was so. The guy in charge of you know who plays what like a guy gets guy hits a home run. Oh, play play Bass. Cheering in the fireworks were bad. Pitch play people cat calling me up, are you? Somebody's learning that job on the fly. Yeah. Maybe that'll get old after a while, but for now at least. Say before would randy said before you went on vacation if you're starving. You'll take a hotdog even if I catch up on it. I would do that every time. Thanks Mike coming up at the top of the hour. We'll do news. We'll talk about a rock legends. Birthday will celebrate. His Day was actually yesterday, but we'll still celebrate it coming up. It's a DVD more morning. Show news coming. From the Walmart. Corporate offices they will now. Require that all Walnut Walmart customers on Walmart. They are going to have to wear masks now. There have been lots of instances where there have been. Customers who've been asked to put masks on? And, they have not been too happy about that. Leading up to this, there've been a lot of anti massacres at Walmart. So given the fact that Walmart. greeters are generally retirees who are now going to be tasked with not just greeting. Walmart shoppers. But also requiring that they are masked up before they go shopping well, that's GonNa require a whole different breed. Of Walmart Greeter, which is why they've released this movie in conjunction with this new corporate wide mandate. In a world record by pandemic. Callahan has been transferred from patrolling. The streets of San Francisco to the heels of Waldo. Callahan these people are reckless. Their Heathens, roaming my store without any facial perfection. They need to be stuck. 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You'd make my because I could be job, and I really enjoy doing that, and you make my day if you didn't, but now that you're wearing a mask I didn't really need to sit. Enjoy shopping at Walmart. Thanks for coming Clint. Eastwood is Kovin Harry streaming on Gulu minus this Friday. Pittsburgh Spanish porn. Nacho Vidal. who likes to advertise romantic candles shaped like male Genitalia on twitter. Has Been Arrested on manslaughter charges. Following a man's death. During a mystic ritual, in which he inhaled PSYCHEDELIC toad venom. Thing I've known it's a thing, but you know. People used to lick toads to like trip. Get High. Yeah Liquor Chow McDowell for sure as toad right. I mean I'm positive of all the people I know he would be the first one I would think. Has toad licking experience? We look towards. Back in high school. I saw molly hatchet on four to. Randy Bellman and the V. E. Morning Show. It's five after nine. A DVD here's a channel. Eleven severe weather center Severe Weather Center of. It's seventy five degrees at DV. The news is brought to us by Kia I'm val porter to Biden beating president, trump and polls in three key states new CNN. s polls show the former vice president with leads in Florida Amazon and Michigan Biden's lead is biggest in Michigan with fifty two percent of voters, choosing him compared to trump's forty percent president trump won all three states in two thousand sixteen. Vice President Mike Pence will visit western Pennsylvania this week. The White House says pens will roll into Greensburg for a cops for trump rally on Thursday that is expected to be held at noon at the Greensburg. Police Department again. That's this Thursday. A new study shows the seasonal flu shots that millions of Americans get can lower their risk of Alzheimer's disease. Researchers of the Alzheimer's Association. International Conference reported today that at least one flu shot was linked to a seventeen percent reduction in Alzheimer's more frequent vaccinations were associated with another thirteen percent reduction. National Economic Council Director. Larry cudlow believes the economy is headed toward recovery as a pandemic continues speaking on CNN state of the Union Kudlow says the country is in the middle of a housing boom. The also said another twelve hundred dollar relief check is coming to Americans in the next round of economic relief passed by the government. The US is on pace to top the mark of one hundred fifty thousand corona virus deaths this week over one hundred forty six thousand Americans have died already from the respiratory illness, and just a matter of months last few days in the US has been around a thousand deaths per day. Researchers say there could be a one hundred seventy five thousand deaths by mid August and two hundred thousand by November. Since the pandemic has inspired many Americans to shopsmall. Since it began according to a new survey, seventy percent of respondents, they've made it a point to avoid big corporations and support small businesses. During the last several months, seventy nine percent said the pandemic has changed their thinking on how important small businesses are to their communities? forty-three percent said the top way they've been. been supporting their local businesses is by ordering takeout and delivery, and over fifty percent said that they've been tipping their delivery drivers more than they did. Before thirty percent say they've been donating money to local businesses, and even though they've been supporting their small local businesses, seventy, four seventy four percent of those surveyed say they are worried. Their favorite local spot may not survive. Criminal charges are being filed against two brothers accused of getting into a brawl with security guards after refusing to wear masks at a target store in Van Nuys. California, prosecutors say thirty one year old Phillip Hamilton and his twenty nine year old brother. Paul refused to wear masks at the store back on May first. They were being escorted out of the store when one of the brothers allegedly turned and punched a guard. Soon broke out leaving one guard with a broken arm, the brothers had pleaded not guilty and are scheduled to appear at an August twelfth pretrial hearing both face jail time if convicted. babboons at a popular Safari Park in England are carrying knives, screwdrivers and other weapons staffers at now XLII Safari Park in mercy side say they don't know if the primates are fishing tools out of cars and trucks, or if people are actually handing them the tools. The staffer worry that people might be doing that, so they can see the animals attack other cars. The babboons are known to be destructive and have been seen pulling things from visitors cars in the past. One worker told the Sunday Times. One of the babboons was seen lugging around a chainsaw. For crying out loud. Finally some good news, the new study found eating chocolate. It's good for your heart. Eat Up the study published in the European of preventive cardiology found that eating chocolate. At least once a week could lead to a lower risk of heart. Disease Study didn't reveal how much chocolate to eat to get hard healthy benefits, but the study author said it's likely large quantities aren't going to have the desired effect on heart health, and is probably the dark chocolate, because they say the darker chocolate, the better it is for your heart so enjoy. The legacy of the late Broadway actor, Nick, Cordeiro live on his wife Amanda includes announced his alive album live. Your Life will be released on what would have been the actors? Forty Second Birthday Cordero died after spending several months in the ICU, fighting the corona virus and its complications. It is set to come out September seventeenth. Tom Hanks and his wife Rita Wilson are officially citizens of Greece? The Greek president declared the couple honorary citizens in late December making them eligible to accept official citizenship within the next year while they accepted the offer last week. Two Time Oscar winner hanks in his wife Wilson who has Greek into ancestry, they own property in Greece, and often spent their vacations there. They produced several films based on the Greek community. Bryan Adams is continuing to push veganism in the wake of the car virus pandemic in May. He got into a little hot water after his comments were interpreted as racist when he ripped into people who ate bats and said people should go vegan in the wake of Covid. Later apologized saying he wanted to rant about the wet markets and animal cruelty. He went on to say. He became Vegan thirty years ago and wishes that he'd done it his whole life. Do uniprix Singer Rob Halford has been turned into an action figure dunning the stage leather. The four inch figure also comes with a microphone and a whip. It's going to be out in September also coming out in September on the twenty ninth is auto biography confess. Kanye West is apologize to his wife Kim Kardashian after claiming she tried to lock him up on Saturday. He wrote I would like to apologize to my wife. Kim For going public with something that was a private matter did not cover her like she has covered me. To Kim I want to say I know I hurt you. Please forgive me. Thank you for always being there for made after apologizing, Connie went to the hospital for anxiety, a source telling TMZ that he got uncomfortable because there were a lot of people inside his Wyoming ranch last week Kanye ranted the Kim was trying to have him committed and other tweets. He claimed he wanted to divorce him and accused her mother. Kris Jenner participating in white supremacy. Kim responded to the claims by asking the public to respect. The family's privacy. Is Kanye deals with his bipolar disorder. And today. There's a national day for something. Every day of the year today he could make a whole a whole dinner out of it. Today is national, Chicken Finger Day National Creme Brulee, day and National Scotch e Scotch Scotch Day. The three national dais celebrate them altogether on their own. You choose and finally Mick Jagger turned seventy seven yesterday. so we'll celebrate mixed birthday coming up Friday on DVD. You can listen to special program with pro stones production, director Opie. Sure Seth and he talks about his time with the band is their production director and tells all kinds of stories, so you can catch that this Friday at nine pm. forecast today hot, humid, sunny, low ninety s for the high seventy. Seventy. Four now, happy birthday, Mick Jagger. It's morning show. It's Randy Baumann. DVD morning show. Brett farve is in a ton of trouble. He was supposed to give these speeches for some organizations that down, in Mississippi for the state, and they totalled one point one million dollars in speaking fees. He never gave speeches. The Mississippi Auditor just filed the report saying that Brett farve basically. got over a million dollars. For speeches that he never gets. Hold on. Her writing. Brett farve look my I'm. GonNa. Law Trouble. I supposed to give a couple of speeches down in Mississippi. Offer to give him you forgot. Yeah Man I just forgot head. I'm on a tractor for like fifteen hours a day. Forget have to do stuff sometimes I. Don't know shoot. Know every time you call your you tell us how much you're on the tractor. What are you farming anyhow? I don't even know. When, I Know To. Get on rather that day tangled data. It gets dark. 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JEFF FACADE OF ESPN DOT COM reporting that the Marlins home opener against the Orioles. Tonight has been canceled. The team has remained in Philadelphia where it played over the weekend in his continuing to undergo testing according to John. Eight more players and two coaches have tested positive for covid nineteen, and that's brought the total number of cases in recent days to at least fourteen, according to ESPN DOT com. We will see where this goes, but this was certainly. A possibility as baseball. Prepared to resume it has in fact resumed. It's something that everybody has been trying to plan for in terms of what to do. If such an outbreak occurs within a given team. Stay tuned on that one We'll see where it goes The pirates? Opened their season over the weekend along with everybody else except the nationals Yankees. Dodgers and giants have got started on Thursday night. The pirates were beaten in the season opener Friday night, and again on Saturday, but the bounce back yesterday for a five to one win over the cardinals, and there were a bunch of feel good stories. Associated with this one topping that list had to be career win as pirates manager number one for Derek Shelton. Who is a big league manager? For the first time the parts got great pitching from five. A very credible innings turned in by Mitch Keller. To outstanding effort by the bullpen jt Brubaker, making his major league debut and pitching two scoreless innings that included four strikeouts than Michael Felise and Nick Birdie finishing up. Birdie struck out all three men he faced. In the ninth inning, the pirates also got home runs out of Colin, Moran and Jose Osuna the first of the season for each of those guys and three hits for Third Baseman Philip Evans. He's the guy that had played. Briefly with the in two thousand seventeen in two, thousand eighteen, and then spent all of last year triple eight in the cubs organization, but the pirates view him as a versatile defender and a guy that they think can hit. Manager Dirk showing a lot of confidence in Evans, starting him on Saturday and again on Sunday and Philip Evans responding with a three for four afternoon. He is often running. In twenty twenty. Thousand here. Too many times I got back to back sides New York. But that's it's pretty special. STOUFFER sheltie This team's going to be surprised a lot of people. Now he's He's said that before each one among a number of pirates who? talked throughout spring training two-point about how the pirates. Believe! They're going to be a lot better than most everybody thinks they're going to be. You know wanted to start is no reason to start planning a parade, but. a significant step for the pirates as they get ready for tonight's home opener against the Milwaukee brewers Stephen Brault scheduled to get the ball for the pirates, initially the Derek Shelton not willing to reveal what his plans are after brought pitches as long as the pirates. The, him to pitch. Not a traditional starting role for brought, but he's going to be. The first guy throws the ball for Pittsburgh Adrian Hauser. Is the scheduled starter for Milwaukee is a seven zero five first pitch tonight. At PNC park, the penguins are in Toronto the Have arrived in their bubble city for the NHL's return to play. An exhibition game scheduled for tomorrow at four o'clock against the Philadelphia Flyers, and then they open the qualifying round best of five series against the Montreal Canadians on Saturday night. That best of five will A series of five confrontations will knock the playoff field down from twenty four to sixteen teams, and then away. We go as per usual. Penguins their final intra squad scrimmage of training camp on Saturday. Sidney crosby did not take part in that, but he practiced with the team on Friday He hopes to practice today and play against the flyers tomorrow, and then go from there head coach Mike Sullivan set on Saturday saw more steady progress from his goaltenders in that Fourth Intra, squad scrimmage That's something that Sullivan maintains. He seen throughout phase three of the penguins. Return. I think both goalies attracting the right way Both had moments in all the squads were were they made some big saves? and I just think to to to allow them to go through that process the reads they need to make an contract, the punctured traffic and all the things that that gave action of presents. That's that's not that easy. Simulate an in a practice environment I think is is really important from the always fan point, but we think both of them have tracked extremely well to this point. And, we'll just continue to work at each and every day. Matt Moore gave up two goals in that last scrimmage interest in Jari Four. Murray making. Significant strides since that first inter squad scrimmage when he gave up seven in kind of raised a lot of eyebrows in the process of the penguins have headed for Toronto accomplishing what they needed to in cranberry in Sullivan summation. Onto the progress of This point in what what are checked just weren't a in this first in first part of the camp. What we set out to accomplish I think we did you know. A I think our guys have done a real good job. in the film skates getting themselves ready from conditioning standpoint. I thought. You don't be. We hugged sufficient Squad of opportunities where of what they weren't able to address in through the infallible skates as far as the. Combative drills in tight space in that aspect of the game. We've tried to give them. An opportunity to to get themselves in those situations, both from a from a physical skill standpoint, and just the used to the subtleties of of making those small plays tight space, but also there's a conditioning point associated with it and and we felt as though we've. We've given our guys. sufficient opportunity to to go through that process and I think our guys about enough of playing against themselves. I think they're excited about playing against an opponent in so that obviously is the next step gets a Toronto, but. To this point, the coaches are are pleased with the progress that we've been. While that exhibition game for tomorrow afternoon on our brother station and the pen flagship one of five nine, the Ex, you can also catch that on at and T. Sports Net Captain Sidney. Crosby held out a Saturday scrimmage, but returned to practice on Friday and he spoke with the media on zoom on Saturday, and addressed the penguins overall state of readiness. yeah, I need probably just from watching a little bit of scrimmages. I think you know silver. Marge's the. Casino. You know having has scrimmage before. I, think that one was probably toned down a little bit, but you know I think definitely the scrimmages, just the the execution, speed and singer, making all those things you can see that that's advancing pretty quick, so I think the combination of guys on the ice, a a more and then also knowing what's ahead, I'm. kind of plays into that. The flyers at four o'clock tomorrow from Toronto Tom Politico of NFL network and NFL. Dot Com posted an email over the weekend from the NFL Players Association to its members that detailed the opening of training camps what that means for the steelers and everybody, but the Kansas City chiefs in Houston Texans who are a little bit ahead of the rest because they'll start the season earlier on September the tenth, July twenty eighth through the Thirty First July twenty eighth tomorrow by the way that's when teams bring players in for Covid nineteen testing and virtual meetings August, the first and And second is reserved for physicals and the handing out of equipment. The acclimation period is August third through the eleventh that pertains to sixty minutes of weight room, work and sixty minutes of on field conditioning. The gradual ramp up period is scheduled for August the twelfth through the sixteenth. That's ninety minutes of practice, and you can upgrade that by a maximum of fifteen minutes daily to a daily maximum of one hundred and twenty minutes, and then the contact integration period August seventeenth through September the six. That's when we'll really see training camp at Heinz Field much more resembling. Usually looks like up at Saint Vincent and then come September seventh Everybody begins preparation for week. One that Texans chiefs game scheduled for Thursday night September the tenth, and then the rest of the league will be following hopefully close behind so a lot going on all of a sudden val and we'll try to keep up with it here as it happens. Mike do Anticipate or will you be watching closely today to see if this development with the marlins causes the other leagues to take pause. Absolutely I I think it's something that all the league's have had to consider and There are plans and protocols in place, but. You know you wonder how far and how fast something like that can spread sure. Yeah, well, we'll keep an eye on it for you this afternoon and any updates You'll be on with Chad this afternoon. I guess. I will. Very good and we'll get further info tomorrow morning as well to DV, morning show. Good. Morning Show Val Porter with Mike for Suda and our producer Joe. We're kicking Randy and bill off this week joining us now is Tim Benz and We're just came out within the last forty forty five minutes that. Eight additional players and two coaches with Miami. Miami Marlins have tested positive for covid nineteen so in the last few days. They say that's a total of at least fourteen. Within, the Miami Marlins or Tim It was. It was fun while we had baseball I guess. Right. Yeah. That's the way it's Feels you know I mean? I was always kind of under the impression that they try to get. The game's going in every league. And I was always dubious that any of these leagues are GonNa. Get through their seasons. Because of something like this. I thought they might make it through the first week though. And now this definitely feels like a black cloud very quickly. After the first weekend, where you know a lot of people, myself included just spent the seventy two hours basking in the return of sports, and then you know you wake up on Monday morning, and you get news like this to make it feel like well. Maybe it was temporary outdraw. So here a couple of questions I have for you guys to kick around first off. If? I remember correctly for the average citizen. If you come in contact with someone who test positive, aren't you supposed to self quarantine for fourteen days? That's the first question. The second question is how do you anticipate other leagues reacting to this? Well when Rudy Gobert got one test to the NBA. The whole world shut down sports almost immediately. I think we have come to realize since then that. When you get corona virus, it's not a death sentence necessarily so people have. Reacted differently in sports as reacted differently I just. When when you get to this kind of level within one team I mean you literally start to run out of players? if you have people, test positive and. Beyond the testing of positive, the outbreak from that point on to the other teams that you play, so I don't know if he's turned, forfeits cancellations rescheduling. What but now you're looking at ten days or two weeks at a time we are starting to play without eight players, and this goes. You know for more practical purposes for. People Are Getting Ready for hockey. Start with the penguins. Were what is what is this kind of thing happens to four or five guys? The penguins threat before a game for game five, maybe a game, seven and a of an elimination series. You gotta factor in what what are the phillies doing now? They're the ones that that hosted the MARLINS. Over the weekend, the MARLINS Orioles game has already been canceled in in Baltimore. Tonight and these baseball teams do have taxi squads, but Tim there's not much time. If a number of games get canceled. There's not many opportunities to make them up if they can. right and there's also coaches involved here. Who are a older so you know more at risk and they're not all replaceable. It's not like you go down to the taxi squad and get yourself a another pitching coach. So or you know you go back down and get yourself another manager. You can replace guys temporarily, but you know then you're without your pitching coach for two weeks your manager for two weeks and You know it starts to get crazy It's just a matter of the commitment of the League's of. How much do you WANNA play through? And how much risk do you want to take on? And if the spread can't be contained, and it's much harder to contain when you're in a bubble baseball is not any bubble Maybe the more proper analogy for me to have made was not necessary to hotch, but this is might be more of an alarm bell for football because they're not playing in a bubble either. We'll have to see what happens this afternoon in a moment forward, but certainly not good news for baseball in particular and sports in general aside from that Tim. If if we can get around that, would you think of what you saw this weekend? It was bizarre, wasn't it? I mean I thought both of the pirates and Major League baseball where exactly as advertised for what I expect to see I expect to see a pirates team where they could sit their way to victory on a day where the starting pitching was decent enough and what you've got yesterday I, expect Keller to be a little bit better and more polished, and that's what he was yesterday I didn't expect the starting pitching in the bullpen to be very good, and that's what you got the first two days, and as far as baseball goes I expected it to be really weird, not having fans, you see these silly cardboard cutouts the. Fake crowd noise to be on. The radio sounds fantastic. It's almost indiscernible different. On TV. It's almost distracting. And then you get super weird stuff like Derek Shelton. Arguing with an empire who's got a broken ninety nine, said basket around his face, and there's social distance like I'm thinking of Earl. Weaver Billy Barton. Arguing and having all these weird images go through my head, and you know right away. It took what makes forty eight hours to have the extra inning ghost runner come into play to the point like literally to the degree were an entire innings took place, and there wasn't an official at bat recorded statistically. When Romo scored. What's that? A run was scored. Run with scored, and it was part of the game. Help decide the game. It was just it was every bit as bizarre as you thought baseball might get, and it got kicked into all three days I mean it was a complete and total immersion into how strange this is all GonNa look, and now you know the one thing we did get through was hell. We thought for the most part for the first three days aside from a couple of players, but now it's like almost the entire marlins organization feels like so. I guess that didn't last long. I got the most bizarre thing I saw all weekend. Was the pirates bullpen being effective yesterday? I. I guess there's going to be a pandemic it self and then Brubaker was fantastic Yeah, he, he gonNA. Set the tone I thought coming out of the bullpen on the third day. I looked there was some stuff there. All the bizarre. Okay I'm going into this. I'm going to see a lot of stuff I. Don't expect to see. That was way down the list, but a good for them. They threw well got it done. Quick thoughts on the pens before we get out of here and specifically what you WanNa, see tomorrow against the flyers. Y. I hope they play after this If they do play what I wanna see, city crosby at least get out there, and if not have you know high minutes these play some sort of. Form of Functional Competitive Hockey I WANNA see Bat Murray Not Stink I wanNA see Matt Murray and look like starter That's what I WANNA see I. WanNa see some cohesion with logging and sucker because I think that I've always kind of felt that sucker is GonNa wind up with Balkan eventually at some point, if not this year the next one again so came back and now the against his back. I think this is a better fit anyway I. WanNa see how he looks. That's also of interest to me. I really WANNA. See other third line. Line and I kind of think of it almost as the fourth line at this point with Barlow, the can horn quist looks, and I wanna see what they do with the power play now that Jake insults back in the mix and Phil Kessel is no longer of course in in Arizona I. WanNa see how that power play looks as well. I mean these are all the chemistry points that that need to be figured out in the Petri dish before the team gets out there against Montreal and they've got all one game to do it against the flyers. Tim Appreciate you joining us on such short notice. Thanks for Thanks for checking in with us this morning. Talking about those developments within Major, League baseball appreciate it. Yeah I'm glad we at least almost got the Blue Jays, and not the Marlins for that really would have been bad. Yes yes, thanks again in Harrisburg Tom Wolfe yelling. See See I told you. All about the eastern division, those crummy eastern division teams. They're the high risk hotspot. All Thanks Tim appreciate. It also WANNA thank rob deer beer temple from the athletic. Appreciate him joining us this morning. If only he had joined us about an hour and a half later we could adopt goes mcvay news well. Nickname is dear temple. We all have hold them Robin Bizet. Tomorrow hopefully we'll have billy gardell and an update on. Jeez who knows what's going to happen the rest of the day within the world of of sports, regarding those developments this morning within the Miami? So we'll do that Mike thanks. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Joe Thanks Shell. MICHAELS has the electric lunch coming up at noon. She's next on, DVD! 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Sports From the Sidelines: AEW Triple Threat

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Sports From the Sidelines: AEW Triple Threat

"As the world awaits turned Sirius. Xm Sports is here to keep you entertained during this unprecedented off season never say never because limits like fears often discipline losing this is Sirius. Xm's sports from the sidelines pro wrestling triple threat on Sirius. Xm Fight Nation today. Busted Open Stigma Greco is joined by three ladies who are paving the way for females in all wrestling here is your host David Greco along with our panel. Aws's nine Rose Brit Baker and big swo- ooh Welcome Austin Open sports on the sidelines. Triple THREAT TALKING. A W with three amazing women that are joining our show today. Our roundtable here on sports on the sidelines triple threat. How `bout this? Somebody who has gained a lot of momentum over the last couple of months on e W dynamite on Wednesday nights on TNT. Big Swallow is in the house. Big Swallow. We have also Dr Brit Baker as I referred to Dr Brit Baker to the show. And of course you're a e w women's champion Nyla rose. Hi welcome all I walk to all three of you. We'll start with big swallow. Like how is everything going? How is it for you during what everyone is coming to as challenging times it's great honestly I guess for some. It's it's a problem but for my family. It's just been a blessing just to have downtime and daughters finishing up her first year a kindergarten so we were super excited to get everything in the home stretch. So it's been great Brubaker in realize how much I needed a break. I actually got a break. Obviously not under these circumstances. Do I wish it was happening but just to? I mean the dental offices closed and we're not traveling as much and just to be able to like get eight hours of sleep is amazing to eat all my meals and run supposed to go the gym not ten o'clock at night so it's a nice celebrate but I'm also getting antsy and stir crazy in. I missed the fan more than anything. And you're eighty w women's champion. Isla rose how you deal with everything Yeah like it's going to sound crazy but to piggyback definitely. Definitely the same thing it's We're on the grind so much. It's it's really a welcome break. Hate the circumstances but our body is. I'm sure great that we're getting a little bit of time to recuperate. And you know get a bit of a regular routine and you know and it's funny hearing from all of you in all you've kind of had very similar answers as far as just being able to be home and kind of catching your breath. Because for a W it's been seven months on stop and such a mental building so in a lot of ways it's you don't. WanNa kill the momentum but you need to take a breath and it seems especially Dr Baker. You mentioned that it just being able to Kinda get back and take a brass. Yeah of course it's like I said we're all enjoying the bright but it also kind came at a terrible time because we had some of our biggest shows lined up in Newark Rochester. Even double or nothing. It was like fourteen thousand tickets. Sold like we're getting that big momentum and now it's like ooh but hopefully when everything you know kind of goes back to normal that we're right back where we left off in the fans are just Jones and to get back in the arena. We are and big swallow on a personal level. Because you just mentioned your mom and you have somebody that's in kindergarten and now schooling is completely changed in our world right now. I have a sixteen year old so big difference between. Yeah that I wanNA hurt physically and then you know somebody had in. It is kind of weird in this state that we're in that everyone is a working from home and then also schooling from home as well. It's insane like I already had immense amount of respect for the teachers but now I'm just like the patient's it takes to deal with your own child minute of every day they won't somethin- hungry. I'm her secretary and I was like. I'm the superstar but now I'm just a secretary girl big same. Yeah Cook you know why no time for myself. I look a mess on no came to light NIHILO. That's that's champ. Gert elite is way to cool number. That's do my hair missing. You remember them braves. I had him for like his was book if I had his meat. Now took these mugs out. I'm not mind end next week though next week. All three of your hair looks fantastic. I haven't gotten haircut January so I kind of look like the Big Ragu for those who've seen Laverne and Shirley look like the big rego so please don't even it all right but because while rain thank you well you said it but though even being at home and being alive and being a mother like it really is nonstop like when you're out on the road you're focused and concentrated on your career in a lot of ways but now that you're home there's no way to get out of that situation. You really are working nonstop on a personal level. Oh Yeah it's it's completely nonstop because someone always wants something from you so I guess big Wohl is on the back burner right now right now. I'm just mom wife Ariel. I don't know who areas but Dr Brooklyn she ever be. Do you have your practice in your practice in the ring. He said that you're able to take a little bit of a step back and take a breather but at the same time you know you mentioned that your itching and that you're not used to this type of situation. Is there a time where like enough where it's like all right? I've had enough. It's time for me to get out of this apartment. Get Out of this house and start getting back on the road again. Yeah I mean I think that has has that time is coming on out. We'RE ALREADY TO GET. Outta the House. Because it's you you get the break you appreciate it and then you want to move on from the break because we're all go getters. We're all crazy people. We all Wanna be doing more than we can handle. That's just the nature of the beast of a wrestler. I think and I think everybody wants to be in the ring in wrestling and traveling again when you when it safe to. I just think I speak on behalf of everybody are so Dr Rebecca. What do you do Wednesday nights? Do you watch wrestling or maybe go play monopoly or do something? Different is their fights and arguments on Wednesday nights for you in my house. Now we watch a w okay when I'm home and for and for you. Champ Nile arose. Like for you being home because you are the champion you have to title somebody that you know of in this. Last seven months has gone on such a ride and now being where you rightfully deserve being a champion. What's it like for you not being on the road and being home knowing what you're able to accomplish just before this all started. It's definitely a double edged sword. You know it's it's a welcome break from all the the rigmarole of running around and and constantly on the go go go go Body definitely appreciates the break but at the same time you get antsy. You're like e you start having different anxieties. Don't even remember how to wrestle. Am I going to have reading rests when I get back and then just just the feeling of it? All you kind of start to miss that You have so much momentum behind you and then just cut off you know and you don't know how it's going to be when you get back or you know how everything is. GonNa acclimate to that. So it's it's a little bit of a worry but a little bit of a break and we're just taking it day by day trying to trying to find that peace and and get back Dr Brubaker. Dow For me as a talk show host. I have nightmares that you know the show will be going on. I'm not getting any phone calls. And no one's listening and then you know I'm the host of busted open so there's always going to be phone calls and there's thousands upon millions of people listening to the show but you know like what. Nile rose to said that. Sometimes you kinda doubt yourself because you're not able to do it. Do you have any of those thoughts during this time. Of course but I've actually been lucky enough to be on the Promo end of stuff right now. I have my dental office in Orlando where we've been filming tons of content. Which is so much fun ridiculous so I I feel like I'm I'm very fortunate right now to have my dental office because that is just it's a stage for more promos your big swell. How about you because you really had a lot of momentum. Going on performance happened. So D- do you doubt yourself at all during this time when you're stuck at home oh no. I know when I get back on TV. I'm just going to beat Brittany up so because you splash coffee my face so I have no doubt in my mind that the Aspen is common so really laid out. I remember who you are first so all they know who i. They're still trying to figure out who you are. You adopt keep going keep going. I'm trying to everyone. You know what they say. None of your business we come for you next. Okay all right you know what I should have been on them. Regular longtime ago. My record was good also shame. Look I don't know about these ratings. Because I've been behind Yuka for months now and I haven't seen her around so I'm a little upset about these rankings to talk somebody while the rankings are based on wins and losses so I think they're pretty plea clear cut and dry all right when we come back and thank you so much for getting to on a personal level. What's going on with this virus? But when we come back let's get into what's exactly happening in the ring and on a w dynamite each and every Wednesday night on TNT. We'll do that with Dr Baker big swath in your Awa. Women's champion Nile arose four back here on sports on the sidelines triple threat. Busted Open Edition. This is Sirius. Xm's sports from the sidelines pro wrestling triple threat on Sirius. Xm FIGHT Nation Channel. One fifty-six here from the biggest names around the League on NBA insiders. It's the head coach of the Golden State Warriors. Steve Kerr you know. The climb is in many ways the most fun part of the rive before you've ever been there. The climate self has euphoric for and the energy that you feel every day. Nobody can touch here. Jason Jackson and Amino acid every Sunday morning at ten am eastern on SIRIUSXM NBA Radio Series. Two seven exit eighty six. This is Sirius. Xm's sports from the sidelines pro wrestling a triple threat. Roundtable featuring all elite wrestling smile arose for Baker and Big Zwolle. Here's your host David Greco. Welcome back to eighty W TRIPLE THREAT. Sports from the sidelines busted open addition. We're here with Dr Brit Baker big swallow and of course your Awa. Women's champion Nile arose. And we talked about what you guys are dealing with on a personal level. Let's talk about what you're doing each and every Wednesday night and Dr Baker. You mentioned about the amazing promos that you've been able to cut. How have you been able to adapt like no crowd for a e w other than the wrestlers that are on the roster around the ring? The one thing that we talk about a lot on busted open. Whether it's myself bully Ray Mark Henry. Are Tommy Dreamer. We always talk about our when it comes to eight e w the amazing crowds that you guys perform in front of every Wednesday night you know ten to fifteen thousand fans. You're going to have such a big crowd in. Newark New Jersey. But now you're doing it in an empty room Dr Baker. How have you been able to adjust to that right so I will say? Even having the very few talent that we do ringside makes all the difference in. I'm probably biased. But even watching all the different programs I just think it makes it a more alive. Shohei having Chitchat chanting on the sideline with that being said when you're actually in the ring Missed the fans. Especially when you're nose is busted open. There's blood pouring down in your mouth. You're like there's no fancier my face is burning. It will stop bleeding. Bum both having said if it's you have to just channel in the back of your mind that it's for the Fan. They're still hundreds of thousands of meat even millions of people watching at home and you should always kind of be catering more towards the people at home to 'cause there's more people at home than there are in the arena. So you really just Kinda finding the cameras. More hyper aware of that more than anything and I will rose how. What's your thoughts on that? Yeah wrestling a such snus. Weirdly unique You know basketball football you kind of ignore the fans but I'm sure you feed off the energy somewhat. You know. You can't help but do that wrestling. That's that's a main ingredient of what makes wrestling so beautiful are the fans so not having their. It's a bit weird But if I can talk a little bit about about a subsectors a subculture sub-genre of the indie scene. Anybody who has done customs is accustomed to working without a crowd and the same thing so I think I'm GONNA handle it perfectly a big wall your thoughts. I think That this is an easy transition especially like Nana said for people who have been on the indies beforehand. I believe that this is a true testament to If you know your craft you will do well if you know exactly the INS announcing the psychology of actually Wrestling and you're about that you're about the actual art form of it art. You know portion of it. Then you'll be perfectly fine with doing. Of course you'll missed the roar of the crowd and everything especially with how I am in my personality. I feed off that crowd at all times but at the same time when I'm in there I'm in zone so now something that I talk about on busted open every Thursday and I'm not just saying it because you're my guest today because we're doing his roundtable discussion but if you listen on Thursday you'll hear me say this each and every week since this whole thing started I think. Aws adjusted so much better than any other show like honest to goodness because crowd was a big part of it. The energy was a big part of it to see those big league wreck. Aheads thec behind me at each and every show was fun watching on TV but you guys have been able to keep the momentum going being entertainment television now a lot of it has to do with the fact that there are some wrestlers around the ring and even add a little bit of story to what's going on the ring as well but you've been highly entertaining Dr Baker. You mentioned those segments that you have taped in your offices the back and forth with you and Tony Shabani have been gold like you have really been able to keep this show entertaining during this pandemic. Yeah I think a lot of it comes behind. Who who runs the show literally? Is Tony Kahn? And he is just. He is such a grasp of what fans want now and he. He's the brains behind everything that you see in. Aws goes through him I've been working a lot with cody as well. Tony Shabani actually and cody to. I mean he can wrestle three times and then produce this segment and then help with this. Promo like he's honest. I hate to say Jack of all trades that being said he's also terrible person. He harasses me on the sidelines. At a w but I also think that a lot of lot of our shows hype has been behind commentary recently to having Chris Jericho Antonio Commentary The team you never knew he wanted like they're easing amen. And I've mentioned I mentioned to cody wanted to last time. He was on That backing to put it on that level but it does remind me for a lot of old school wrestling fans like a gorilla monsoon and Bobby Heenan like. It didn't matter what was going on in the ring. It was so entertaining that you wanted to hear what they had to say. And one other thing too and I want to get your guys takes on this as well is the fact that you've embraced of what's going on a lot of shows of kind of just business as usual. And they haven't really talked about what we're all dealing with in our world and the fact that you have you know segments where you're on your phones and segments where you're doing you know Social Media and take talk and you know we we've seen it with you know with all the different dances that'd be go out with the inner circle and all that but you know big swallow does seem like W has embraced what we're all doing like being on zoom like we're doing this interview now. We're not doing it. Live in studio in New York. We're doing it on zoom. It seems like he w has embraced status as well. I believe it's one of those things where if there's a will there's a way and that's what age capitalizes on is. They're very good at adapting and giving people what they want and have entertainment is just. We have that freedom to do what we need to do. In order to keep the ship running and it is great. Because you have all these people who have such creative ideas and when you have that freedom and you have creativity pure creativity in. You're allowed to express it and whatever form you want to you. This is like the perfect time for people who have that certain energy who have that mind frame you know and I believe that's what aws we're just allowing everyone to be creative in their own way and Nyla rose. Do you feel like this show is been entertaining. The way it's been presented the last couple of months absolutely without question You know it's it's we. We hit the ground running wing getting aids you off the ground and it's always been a party atmosphere along with everything that's already been said. I think that is a big part of it. You know it's silly to ignore what's going on when everyone's aware everyone's hyper aware of what's going on It's silly kind of act like it. Isn't you know so When the old adage make it part of the show as they say Rolling in near keep the party? Go and try to lift everybody's spirits and keep that party rolling you know the perception from the outside and at the end of the day. I'm a talk show host and I'm a fan of w on the outside. It looks like you guys are having fun while you're while you're working on Wednesdays and when you see somebody having fun you're GonNa have fun. Do you have that creative freedom do you? Have you know Dr Baker? Do you have that freedom of creativity where you could say? You know what? Let's do something with Tony Shivani. Let's do something in my offices absolutely. I think that's too is a huge part of our success is why we have so much creative input in our characters because no one knows your character better than you but we also have the helping guidance of people who are way more experience with promos and television and delivery and live live interviews. Then got bunny next week. I've never done a live interview in my life but I just think it's our team air teamwork realize what makes this. All ticket makes it a success. Now you may not know this from my ruggedly handsome looks and my cool glasses that I have on but I was not the cool kid now. Eight W is the cool show like when to us as wrestling fans. Aws on Wednesday is the cool show so for the Champ Nile. Rose you know what's it like being a part of what everyone perceives as being cool. It's a hell of a ride Especially like you in high school. Getting bullied getting picked on. Never thinking I'd make it this Marin now I'm kind of talk of the town. Nba By doctors and swollen. So it's pretty damn close by the way big swells entertaining just watching while doing this interview shows a lot of different express. You just having a blast right big I am. I was not keep changing them glasses. Don't just like Oh my Lord together but this woman here is so for those who are just listening watching. So so now how many. How pairs of sunglasses do you have? In front of me or altogether. While altogether quite a few I tell you what I tell you what I got most of them for free as crazy as that sounds. I used to work at a gym and our policy was anything left. The Gem over what I think ninety days is trash trashes public property. So I'm the SUNGLASS now. A you still in is property. Questionable behaviors the chamber. Shell and as your and. That's your w women's champion all right when we come back speaking of champions. Let's talk about the w women's division which is gaining a lot of momentum during these tough times and we'll do that more back on eighty w triple threat sports from the sidelines but said open edition right here. We're back on Sirius. Xm fire nation. You're listening to Sirius. Xm sports from the sidelines pro wrestling triple threat on Sirius. Xm Channel One fifty six. The and show is either make. The big fights happen fighters take less money or standard ground. Wait till we get to a point with their audiences that might not happen for another year. The big fight like agent Camello. All of these big names. Are they willing to wait a year without fighting can a networks deal with promoters deal with that and eventually it's going to come down to the point where you either take it or you leave it? There is no more money for you to get the Aachen. Baruch show weekdays from noon till three eastern only on SIRIUSXM fight nation channel. One here is your host. David Greco along with our panel. They W Schuyler Rose Brits Baker and big swale welcome back to eighty e w triple threat sports from the sidelines right here on busted open Sirius. Xm fire nation. We're here with Dr Britt Baker big swallow and you're e w women's champion and one thing that we have to get into during this round table especially especially the last few months on e w dynamite. Some may say like it or not. It's because of WHO's the champion right now but there is a lot of momentum with the WS Women's division so let me talk to the champ. I you know how proud are you about how good and how much has changed with the w women's division right now. I'm over the moon. Obviously being the top late how could you not look at this thing? Isn't she gorgeous? Oh my God let's just hope. Belp beautiful definitely over the moon. We've grown leaps and bounds. Read some amazing town on the Rosser is on the a well. Unfortunately no India's at the moment is out there crossley scouting so got more great talent lined up But like you said grown by leaps and bounds since day one Everybody kind had something to say when we first got on the scene you see so many comments online now. That's Kinda quilt. Because we had the opportunity to go out there and show we can do He will see that we can hang so it's grown this much in short time. We're not even technically a year old yet. Imagine what we're going to be a year from now and people seem to forget that this show started in October and with all the changes that have happened over the last couple of months. It's it seems like aws been around for so long because of the success of the show but it's been such a short period of time and Dr Baker could see in your face that you have a lot to say not only about the women's division but about eighty w women's Champ Nile rose so on the topic of the of the success recent success of the Women's Division. I'm going to be totally transparent and say I am the driving force behind that. And Me. Coming into my. You know who I am a role model. My promos my interviews. My my match she. Even though she cheated broke. My nose I lost fans are tuning in for me. And they're and they're not changing the channel because me they say they see my face. Come on and they're like. Oh my God breaker. They're tweeting about it. I'm trending every single week. So the champ who the champ is. But who's WHO's the draw here. Excuse me just. GonNa put these on real quick psychic just like them off champ what he say that actions speak louder than words. And this quarantine ain't GonNa last forever sugar bumps when we get back in the ring. I hope you money's where your mouth is. That's fine that's fine. You remember how she got jokes. Guy Jokes okay big swallow. What are your thoughts about this about the division you had a lot of momentum you know what do you think right now when it comes to the women's division and about Dr Baker saying she's the face of the women's division of course now rosary w women's champion broken right I love Are Women's division in all honesty? I think it's great. We have a really good talent pool. And there's just so creative in such nice women except Britney Yeah and it will actually know what Brittany's Kaanai. She was nice when she first started. But then now she's just a dentist and no one likes a dentist and one likes going there. No one likes getting their teeth cleaned one doing anything like that. Unless you get an agreement she knows nothing about that. Because he's pasty so Moving on she's not the face of anything she's just a he'll she's just boiled. Baloney breath written a baker and our champion. She's great awesome She's one of the only people were. I had a miserable opponent when we actually fought you know I felt like I had to give it my all everybody else special Brittany. Yeah but no one was talking about you until you interrupted my interview so as the face division. I made you relevant to well actually. They don't think they were saying about. You was bad things they were talking about and it was actually in a pretty good life Yeah let's get up me think it you look at this division. Obviously there's a lot of angst and there's a lot between the three of you right now and it's understandable And with you Dr Baker and you mentioned about the face and you mentioned about that scene too where you got bloodied and I appreciate the Promo when you mentioned busted open. Thank you so much. I appreciate that you're always thinking of and it became a shirt and I knew when I saw that image that it would be a t-shirt. Are you always thinking those of those things as well? It's not what just happened in the ring but what happens outside the ring to as soon as I saw that picture I contacted Ryan from pro wrestling tease instead. We need to get this on a shirt and we need to put it in the kiss. Font because Chris Jericho's epic commentary so then the blown beholder became the top selling first ever female top-selling t-shirt pressing tease history. Wow congratulations on that. And and for you. Now Rose as champion. Is there a lot more to being champion? And just what happens in the ring absolutely and in kind of look back? That's that's what I love so much about. This company is we not only have the creative freedom but we are encouraged to express that creative freedom Sometimes I have too much creative freedom because it tell me that we can't do that. There's there's no budget for that. You gotta go to tone now little bit so it. It's it's just nice and welcome that people back you. They support you. They encourage you want you to be the best that you can be and I can understand that because I think one of the things. That's great about pro wrestling. What's great about eighty? W right now is we're invested in the characters and the personality and also the individuals. Because when you look at the three of you you are so different individually you know big swells for you you know being a mom and having a family like I would think big swell. There's a lot of fans of yours that find that. Very very inspirational. Oh yeah just being able to juggle and be more than just. I'm just not just a wrestler. You know I am a mother. I am a veteran. I am a you know. I have to take time for myself as well and with also having Crohn's disease and going through that as well is just it's a lot the take on but I'm up for the challenge and I will. We've talked about this when you were in studio not too long ago about your extremely inspirational for obvious reasons as well. You know. I talked about my daughter. Being you know gender fluid and what an inspiration to be able to see someone like you on their TV and be able to root for somebody like you and that you have that position where you are a champion and you can be that goal that can be achieved. Because it wasn't that long ago that would have been impossible for sure and I'm going to save this Ad Nauseam till I'm blue in the face. Representation Matters You know in in our company. Yeah you got you know Baloney Brittany over there Dnb THE NBA s handle on. What But you know we have people of every walk of life on the Rosser you know. Half the thing is is women of color. Where else do you see that? Where do you see such representation? It's absolutely amazing. And it's it's it's I can't even put it into words how it makes me feel to be a part of such a. Rosser from being totally honest now now when you go into the ring and you're on TV and the cameras on you is that it could be a burden is there. Is there pressure on you? Do you think of those things or is it just? You're on with the business at hand. I'm a little from column from column B You know your mind's gone ten million miles a minute But we we've done. This was trained to the point. Where a lot of becomes second nature seeing kind of time that bit off. You know when you're walking to the ring you got so much going on through your head to let anybody down you want to make sure you're representing whoever you're there to represent the best of your ability but at the end of the day you gotta go out there. You GotTa do the job at hand you Gotta. Take care of business and you got a you know. Preserve yourself and right now. I'm trying to preserve myself as the content is not the contender but the champion. You know we have all these contenders lined up and I got a knock down. I gotTA keep my position solid and Dr Brubaker Baker. Somebody who's a professional someone who chose to do this profession where you had other options someone that you know the demands respect because you know all jokes aside you do demand that respect inside and outside the ring so when I look at like you what you've been able to achieve I mean the those were lofty goals that you have to be proud of yourself by your achievements for sure and I think a lot of people especially in the generations before us kind of gave up everything to pursue professional wrestling. They was like they gotta be on the road nonstop economy training. You gotta move here but now I think that there's so many different opportunities present in here there everywhere that you can pursue an education wire man. I mean you can. I'm living proof of it. You can even a doctorate degree and be a professional wrestler on television and I hope to inspire more people to do that because one day wrestling will end and unfortunately for all of us but my education is never going to leave me. I have that degree forever. Three just amazing individuals on our roundtable. Okay when we come back on sports from the sidelines E W triple threat will get some final thoughts. We'll look into the future of the women's division with a w and you know what my future with a w we'll do all that when we're back right here. A very special edition of busted open this is Sirius. Xm's sports from the sidelines. Pro Wrestling triple threat on Sirius. Xm Fight Nation Channel. One fifty six your home for all things come. Sports is Sirius. Xm fight nation. Start Your Day with Hall of fame. Pro Wrestling talk on busted. Open these men and women that build the business and the Aachen barracks show keeps you up to date on all things boxing. Boxing is the fear of young. Expect GEARY LOOP Thomas. Has you covered for mixed martial art? Hogan is the most important influence in all of the fighting broken down nowhere else only on Sirius. Xm fire nation. Take one fifty six. This is Sirius. Xm's sports from the sidelines pro wrestling. Here's your host. David Greco along with our special guest panel. Aws Nyla rose Brit Baker and big swallow. Welcome back to e W triple threat. Sports from the sidelines busted open addition right here on Sirius. Xm fight nation. We're here with this three. Wonderful Supreme Athletes. And you're eighty w women's champion. Nile arose Dr Brit Baker and big swallows got momentum building on w dynamite each and every single Wednesday. And of course you can watch a w dynamite each and every Wednesday night at eight. Pm Eastern time on TNT and we talked about the e W women's division. We talked about how entertaining a w dynamite has been. We talked about the records that have been broken and again a lot of people forgetting that this is a company that's only been on TV for around seven months which is incredible when you look at the success of this show you know when you look at the future of the w women's division you know let's go to champion. I Now Rose you know. What do you want to see happen with the Women's division? Once we get to the other side of this pandemic I want to see a lot of buys on the mat to run through them. All this titled As long as I possibly can Hey Mighty need to get a second title for the women. I don't know his 'cause this when I had plan to let go so you you look at the competition the way that it is right now and you think now you can be a champion for a long time yet. Damn straight so big. Swallow when you hear what comes to your mind when you think about the women's division when you think about the future of the women's division and how good that championship title would look around your waist. One I feel I not lie. Solano all of us that we cut. Because I'M GONNA I'm GonNa tell you tell you how you lying you lying because you said that you're GonNa hold the championship for a long time. They nobody going to be. Will you know damn goodwill that? I'll be in for their championship. You you know you say you got plans you get in the ring. I hold up Hola. Girls will only thing. I'm lying on his my boys dead second of all about this just because you hit me with swell who is one time George Bush say once shame on me ties capable me again. woman away do. I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I'm GonNa roll up up at Brittany's job a b. hub down and then I'm GonNa come and get you in and don't be are the most expensive security you'll never get through office in the famous celebrity role model. You think I just let anybody walk in. No they're screening everything. Your data's in Florida right right and your not New Jersey or something anybody right anyway so on so famous. Everybody wants to meet me right now that it's getting overwhelming and it's for my own safety and the safety of my workers. Dr Baker. Did I hear you say something about New Jersey? I just she's she's coming at me for where I live and I was. I don't even know where she lives. But if New Jersey I'm going to be real I don't like it have you. Have you seen Florida anytime? Anything happens on the news. It's in Florida as WanNa come and say something about my state. Listen if you'll like it don't don't come down here all right. Don't vacation down here. Don't have no spring break. Don't come down to Miami. It'll come down to the yield on Jackson. Bill CONNOR ORLANDO. Don't come to Disney. You leave Miami. And Disney Ida snows Great Toma Florida's. That's all that full of mayor. Originally we'll say Pittsburgh is is just a shining gem of the United States of America but Pittsboro Berg please. Pittsburgh ain't been shot and nothing since Rothberg got in trouble. Dc in the house. I can't the whole nation this a few people ever even been to Secaucus New Jersey. My God it's such a beautiful place anyway all right so when you look at this division and other talent youth and quite honestly thank you all three of you for being a part of this roundtable today because I think you bring so much to the table for not only women's wrestling but for pro wrestling general and a big reason why people need to watch a WF. Davin already on. Tnt is because of Dr Baker and big Swale and Nyla roadside. Thank you not only for being a part of show but also your contributions to pro wrestling in general but Dr Baker like when you talk about the women's division and we talk a lot about what you do in the ring. What you've been doing on the microphone. The change of character that you have had a change in personality. And that's that's no small feat to be able to get trending to be able to have people talking about you like how were you able to do that in such a short period of time where you honestly have become one of those people that are must talk must watch each and every Wednesday night on? Tnt It's a lot of diving into you really have to own on the character. You WanNa be an just multiply that time two thousand and then. Hopefully it'll come across how you want to because you have to be you have to be over the top. It's that's professional wrestling with anything I also have the most the best help possible in with. I said Tony Kahn. Cody Rhodes Kenny. Jericho Tony Shabani. So it's I mean the the army behind me the best of the best and Nyla not just being champion. But did you find that? There's a lot of mentors in a. W Have you found that? There's a lot of people that were an inspiration for you and that helped you along the way especially the last seven to eight months without a doubt like You know like you said a million times everybody there once every part of this product you the absolute best It's Kinda crazy to me people that you've looked up to your idolized in some way or just were fan of have a genuine interest in you and in your career in want to help you progress to that level. That is the wildest thing in the world to me like the purse. Jericho or aren't Anderson. Came up to me and said hey you know in just gave me some positive words and encouragement that absolutely blew my mind. I didn't go to them. I didn't you know she has to go to them. They took it the initiative. They came up to me in in struck up conversation and I'm glad they did because I was too dead on nervous myself when you look at this women's division right now and a lot of people don't even like the term women's division a lot of things that we've seen over the last years like anyone can compete for a championship you know. Do you think it's time for like more Inter gender wrestling. Do you need the confines of just the Women's division I don't look at it so much as the confines? I think there's some power in that There's there's some power and having a women's division again the representation showing that we can break down barriers that we can carry a show that we can do this. That and the other There's absolute power in that and I don't see anything wrong with having the separation to answer your question about the inner gender matches it's something that's always happened I would love to see more of that on the bigger stage. But that's not my call to me but hopefully somewhere down the line. We will see a little bit of a tight ship all right now I. I'm glad that you're able to be part of this. Show all of you. Br Baker Dr Baker Nyla rose Big Swallow thank you so much for the time I'm glad that was picked to be the moderator for this show because I don't know if you've heard but cody rhodes called into busted open and has banned me from a e W and it's based on something silly and I want to get all your aches on it. Cody Rhodes great great wrestler What he's done with. Aws tremendous but he loves bad movies. And let me give you an example of that. The Lord of the ring movies would be. I never saw exactly the star wars movies based on my Appendi- on the board of the Rings Movies and Star Wars. I have been officially banned from your phone. That's ridiculous and let you know. We put cody over enough in this child. We've made we get paid this week. Now cutting an uneducated bomb is a thug with the neck tattoo. And he he. He says he does the do the work do the work. How you doing the work when you're sitting on week watching star wars episode. Because that's how long it takes. No people like me. We don't have time so out in watch star. Wars until we accomplish everything we want. The women's champion. I WanNa have my dentist. Office is successful as it can be. We don't have time to do that kind of bullshit. I'm overriding cody road than you can come back to the shows. So you're so you're letting me back in. I'm back as my personal guests. Thank you Dr Ripping. I'll tell Tony Shivani he will. He will also be expressing my same viewpoints whether he knows that or not big swale. What are your thoughts? Do you have any thoughts on the Lord of the Rings and Star Wars? Well Lord of the Rings No I played like shadow Mawr and online playstation four. That's the closest to Lord rings ever come and As far as Star Wars I washed a couple of them. But I won't spend a whole bunch of time watching them. That's more of nylon bad. You see I got other things to do. Besides watch that every day I got a kid husband. And here's the thing. Nile arose to champion. You know your Awa. Women's chip I was banned. I've been banned from Awol. Dr Bakers not enough kind enough to kind of lift that ban but now because of my opinion on a certain movie I get banned from Code. By Cody I get banned seriously. Rules opinion I agree with cody. I'M A re Banyu because you're talking smack about great American cinema. No my opinion trump all. Because I've had the highest ratings whims vision in the past month therefore he's allowed in no he's in there's nothing anybody out of nylon. Not Cody Rhodes nobody. Well I got cody. Said he can't come. You said that he can now said that he can't come. I guess it's up to me. You give me five dollars let you go. I mean could I owe you can give you an IOU cash brother? There's a pandemic going on. You think I can go to an ATM thing. I'm using the ATM. During can say I'm pretty sure it as a collectible somewhere in there you can sell it. Put It on let go well. I mean well. Let's see if the band sticks. Jericho called in as well. He was very upset about my opinions on Star. Wars as well so I mean those are two big names in aws. So we'll see if this ban is lifted at least I have you doctor. Baker that was on is education of any of those people so the ban is lifted. Thank you Dr Baker. At least could depend on you and I really appreciate that honestly for all three of you. What you've been able to accomplish with eighty W and with this women's division so Dr Baker I'll I'll I'll have you for a final thoughts on what you think about a wd direction and obviously about the a w women division right. I think it's full speed ahead. It's especially during these difficult times just to show you how were rising through the adversity. I think it's going to just carry on forward. Specially we can get our fans back in the audience. Is I think they are going to be so as excited as we are to have them. They're moving forward. And I think that we are going to be piling into the arenas with all the fans we're going to have sell out shows and hopefully wrestling world will be back in the state that it should be big Swale Sam. I am just believed that once everything is back in motion will come harder and stronger than ever before and this is obviously just the first year. I'm excited to see what what else were bringing. Because I mean obviously I know we're just gonNA crush the competition and keep it moving. Because where new or innovative or creative and we just we love what we're doing all right and then I'll leave the champion for assets. Right the W women's champion Nile arose. What your thoughts are on the next step with the w women's division and what you want the fans to know about what we can expect on. Wednesday nights man. If you haven't been watching on Wednesday nights you are doing yourself a disservice. Let me take off these sweet shades. I got from Mike Chris. Jericho crews Listen Chilean Wednesday Nights. Actions speak louder than words could sit here and say this and that quite frankly as much as I hate to admit it swallow and Baker Bull. I'm sorry doctor May Have Book. Shot has both hit the nail right on the head. We are full steam ahead. We are the new pretty earl in town. Our roster is better than ever and we're Keating better tune in. Let's let's keep this party rolling. I thank you so much for you. Big swale appreciate it expecting big things from you in the year. Going into two thousand twenty one appreciate what you're doing on e w dynamite. Each and every Wednesday for you doctorate Baker. Thank you for doing your best to lift the ban for me. I appreciate that very much. Believe me. We'll be replaying your segment on busted open for bully. Ray and Tommy Dreamer Mark Henry. So I'm very appreciative of you right now. And the champion rose Thank you for all three of you. Thank you so much for all you do for the business for all you do for w thank you so much for being a part of this round table today and no problem. Thank you thank you. This is been triple threat. Sports from the sidelines right here on Boston. Open for more Great Sirius. Xm fight nation specials search fate nation on demand with the Sirius. Xm APP Sirius. Xm's sports from the sidelines continues next on Sirius. Xm Fight Nation Channel. One fifty six.

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The War That Saved My Life

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09:59 min | 1 year ago

The War That Saved My Life

"One Great Book Volume Four Book for the war that saved my life. Hey readers I'm I am am Bogle. And you're listening to one book the short-form podcast from the team behind. What should I read next? Where each week? I pull one standout selection off my personal bookshelves until you all about it in ten minutes or less readers in these episodes of one great book. I get to tell you all about a book. I love in ten minutes or less this. This is my opportunity to metaphorically press book into your hands that you might not have known about otherwise or perhaps knowing about the book you might think it's not for you. Maybe maybe that's because of his genre. Maybe you don't like the cover. Maybe the book is in a corner of the bookstore. You never venture to today. I'm sharing a book that I pressed into the hands of scores. There's of readers sometimes literally sometimes metaphorically and what I've heard over and over again is I never would have picked that for myself but I loved it and that thrill of discovery coupled with that near Miss Experience well it's a highlight of the reading life. So why might readers miss out on this book. It's not because it's Sifi like sleeping giants. It's not because of the horrible cover like the ballot of the Whiskey robber. It's because it's a middle grade novel but don't let that stop you reader because this novel has been hit with readers of all ages. CS Lewis has my back on this one. He wants said children's story which is enjoyed only by children is a bad children's story. This book is nothing of the sort in the war. That saved my life Kimberly Brubaker. Bradley flips the script on your typical wartime story to tell a tale of pain and hardship. Chep yes but that pain comes from unexpected quarters as does the love and redemption her character's ultimately find and it is one great book. One great book is brought to you by page one books. The book Subscription Company Okay that brings hand selected books straight to your mailbox or to your friends and families mailboxes. A page one subscription is the perfect gift for the reader in your life you go to. WHO PAYS ONE BOOKS DOT COM choose the length of the subscription? That's three six or twelve months and then print out or email the gift card to give them whenever you are ready then the recipient of this box a bookish delight goes to page one and fills in some info on their reading tastes that way each month page one can match them with the perfect book selection personalized just for for them delightfully wrapped in accompanied by small literary tokens and if at any point page ones Alexa book. That's too perfect. Meaning they've already read it. No worries page. 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Two for many children being forced to leave their home for an unfamiliar area while their parents stayed behind possibly to get bombed. It was horrible but Bradley began to wonder. What if there was a child for whom the evacuation wasn't traumatic? What does she could write a character? For whom being taken away away from her family and plopped in the country I was strangers was an unmitigated good. That's exactly what she did. Readers meet ADA. She's he's nine years old and she's never been allowed to leave her family's small Linden apartment. Ada was born with a club foot. You see and her. Mother is too ashamed of Asia's twisted foot to even let her out in public but then the war arrives in London and Asia's mother prepares to put her little brother Jamie on a train to safety. Ada doesn't leave the house so no one has any intention. Attention of evacuating her. If the bombs were the only thing she feared that might be okay but when Ada sees a chance to escape the prison that is her terrible home life she takes exit and makes a daring escape to join Jamie when he departs for the countryside. Soon Ada and Jamie Regis small unnamed town one that Bradley actually modeled after the English town of Kent. A woman named Susan begrudgingly takes them in. She has to everyone has to do their bit for the war effort and while Ada expected to hate our new life almost as much as old with her mother her new circumstances surprise her she learns to read and write a horse and finally be useful but the change of location doesn't fix everything for Ada. She may have escaped her auto home life but things are still pretty hard in the country of a nation at war. British students are extensively about this period of history in school. But what many don't know especially those who didn't grow up. In Britain. Learning their national history is at all. These children were evacuated from the cities because everyone expected the cities to be bombed. But that's not what happened. Not at first and let me say that all these historical details about how the lives of ordinary citizens were turned upside down by the evacuations are completely fascinating to you. mean an American who didn't learn these things in school at the beginning of the war it was the rural areas that were attacked. That means them instead of being sent to safety. Ada and Jamie were actually actually sent to the most dangerous part of England and while eight may have escaped her mother or thought she did at least she still has plenty of challenging trials ahead of her as a reader. It's both pain and joy to root for as she meets them head on readers. This is a book about heart. Things is about one little girl. UNLOVED and unwanted plunged into extraordinarily dangerous circumstances but eight alert. She's not entirely powerless. And she finds reserves of hidden strength to fight back with everything she has she also begins to realize she's not the only one who needs saving here. The the story is also about Susan. An older woman facing plenty of her own hardship and pain who is grieving and away. She's barely allowed to admit. And it's about a community facing unspeakable circumstances with all the courage they can muster adults and children will read the story in different ways and they'll empathize with different characters. That's okay perhaps. That's even how it should being. I just loved. This had been thrilled to see. So many readers of all ages enjoy it. It's a newbery honor book if you care about such things as well as a number one New York Times bestseller and a modern Mrs Darcy Book Club Selection. It's beloved by children and adults alike. If you love this you cannot miss the sequel the war. I finally finally one when asked about her hopes for the book. Bradley says I really hope that when readers read this they get a sense of how love can change the world and how it develops among people even even when they don't expect it. You will be surprised to hear that the war that saved my life is a hopeful book and such a satisfying read. Readers will be cheering on as she begins to wiggle her her way into Susan's heart as well as riveted by the danger. Daring and risks that both Ada and Susan take to discover true belonging and a place to call home insurance. If you're looking for an action packed emotionally resonant story about history family and the healing power of love though not necessarily in that order the war that saved my life. Maybe maybe the next great book you're looking for readers visit modern MRS DARCY DOT com slash one. Great Great Book to learn more about all the great books in this volume. 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Captain America Part 1 Steve Rogers - Character Corner #83

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1:15:05 hr | 9 months ago

Captain America Part 1 Steve Rogers - Character Corner #83

"Welcome back to the corner podcast. Your host Chris in deep here cared a corner where we talk about some of your favorite accountable character, some runs from from great runs from comic Creator or or dealing with characters, if you the history of them. and. We're back with vet. Today, we're doing one that I can't believe this this long to to get to this. But it's always right on time every time we do these. The always. You always kind of wondered. Why did someone does character? But then you look at the time? He's reading here like this actually very very timing. Timely we're doing. kept America particularly for this episode. We're focusing on Steve Rogers. We're GONNA have a part to where we kind of go into some other. Some of the other characters that have many characters have held a the mental captain. America held the shield of Captain America. We're really going to focus on just a time line of of Steve Rogers in this episode. Steve Kerr Yeah. Like. Like you said Jeff America and never once. Three. Anyone else well. No, no it. In. Honestly weird thing after going through this and we're in the research is like you know you know the to me. There's the three big ones right it's. Here's obviously Bucky, and then there Sam. And I'm looking with them like they're actually. going. I was like Oh shit ever got all the other one. Racist. Maybe, lots of other Catholic. Lead next. Right There was a lot. There's a lot of other fucking people out there. But yeah. We're GONNA get into all. Walker then let's march in the streets. Right right aren't. Afraid they were there is a there's a lot of a lot of, but also I love. Bring that up. It's because it's like when Sam got the shield. Can we just same like? He has? No, how many times cap has given up the shield and given it to somebody else? Because Katie tune assassinated been frozen. Talking about you're. Talking like who literally blew up Philadelphia? To, saying like guys look things. With a little blood on the field. You know I'll say this doing writing for this. I know I love you cap against Chris Evans does a great job and. Maintain the same writers every movie he was in. The Holy Shit Look Combo Cap. Wow! It's it's. Kambakhsh is great because I was thinking about. This is when you look at Captain America and there's another one carrington. We'll get more into the history later on, but there's a care to that. We've talked about before in. The history. Comics Combo Book Club cared corner and you're. You're talking about this. A golden age cap nineteen, forty, one, forty, one, forty two. Forty, one for nineteen forty one. Goal Nature. Care always back then obviously in you know for people that go well. I won't out of my comic books. I'm like no comic. That man wearing an American flag. Punching Hitler I'm just I don't know. Until. Guys. Here but like when you really look at especially who Steve has become, he becomes like this. One obviously symbol right. It's the character of Steve Rogers Captain America is like a combination of some other DC care to was, but that doesn't have some of their like I want to hang out with like. You have know when people look at Batman you know his planning him view to you know his fighting something like that, but he also doesn't kill right seems a soldier, so we got rid of that. ALREADY BY PEOPLE DIE Fighting Steve Roger. He might feel bad sometimes, but it's like he's a soldier fighting a war, so you're okay with them being assembled, you know Superman doesn't kill. I, suggest for hope and all these other bullshit right, but he's like he doesn't. He doesn't kill. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do that. We don't can do. I'm sorry I didn't mean to do mean to say that. But as ideal, you know being a boy scout, and that kind of stuff right right, you hit that Steve, but again you still have that edge because again. He's a soldier's soldier, and so it's like you get the best of kind of like the combination of both those characters here without having that moral. That that that moral peace sometimes doesn't make sense and sometimes so so what you're talking about inherently. Is the difference energy versus DC comic characters are designed to be archetypes designed to be God's larger than life. All Marvel. Characters Phoenix Club. Broken Someone. That fallibility storytelling. Deceased. Gingerly. The force God's against. All that would, that would that would? Have like. What's happening the Documents Medal Which? I'm sure is going to be great. Team but Have Gotten a little out of control. Fared. Well all I can be super fucking all. But. It's harder I always say that in some respects. DC whether it's communist or even live action to me, feel like it's harder because some point. How do you tell the next story? If. You're telling this by this head out to manage, court Kent. And even, but even then when you do that because you're dealing with God's people, the pushback on that is so. Heavy. It's like you're changing that. You can't God. The God are infallible. Exactly you know, and so I think again I. Think again. We're getting into that. You know we talk about this. Every time we talk about some of these carriage with DC or moral, who is getting to that that that big divide? There's not saying that one's better than the other it just saying that it review. It result in different kinds of story. And? That's clear here and there's also the the philosophies of the companies. Because we just talk about this, we were talking about Asia Shield. You can get this direct line from golden age cap to captain. Yeah, there's some drop also there. There's some things you wanNA. Forget high and. Does that is not a heroes. Reborn Ooh, rob failed in. I swear to go I asked him for I never ever so. I absolutely did not read that for this and I absolutely will not be talking about that for this but i. do feel like in your ten of this this this podcast. Maybe we will give the fans with da Jasko exactly. Maybe there will be a heroes reborn. watch the X. Men movies for this podcast. I will never watched the spider spiderman flavor. This podcast and I will never talk. Here's this. I mean you don't you? Don't WanNA. Talk about your about nine breasted. Cap. It's like bringing back just something. You leave the way instead. You leave Bucky dead. You leave Uncle Ben. Dead hoops fuck up one of those. Sacred debts now. There's I think it's just been left Gwen stacy is all the back. Say or try to figure out what we're talking about just go look heroes reborn image of here. Talking about. Not No? No, no, no I'm not. GonNa I'm not GonNa let them slide on this one. Pitcher of Heroes Reborn Captain America. Just or just lay files captain America. Just put that in my hatred for him start. Ever been serious. You know it's. It's Oh boy. Can, art rape someone. But if you can. I guess. I just don't know. I how you draw! Nobody nobody says the to use. Rogers. All right so anyway, but was really saying is like the. Line and I think this is why when I was saying before this timeline. We're doing this where we wanted to actually cover. Knicks benchers, Ron and get into empire in how time timing, it is in today's events. Like I think when I was going back, and you look at it and I was having. Somebody mentioned trying to explain why they didn't like. I try so hard now to custody route when they say the anymore to me, but also realize that this person didn't understand the history of of of cap comics. There were saying well. He used the macguffin. It was a cosmic cube I'm like the cosmic cube is always used in cap comics. Hey guys guys. They liked to use capture. Show you not to believe in the simple yeah I mean. It's all like seven fucking times all almost every single significant capital Mary? Every it's like everyone who comes into the my ego story. Everyone's gotta Cap. He shouldn't believe in symbols story and cap himself, saying to you know, but and that's what I mean. That's how the story and within saying that to to wreck down pipe camera. So. We're GONNA. Talk about that and how? We get into the secret empire stuff. In the premium episodes that is a direct line to think. We've already seen in people who just because? He didn't exponentially better our spencer. Iowa's rights too much I would never wear a shirt. Young. People are actually mad at him. For not be more understand for not being more understanding of people's like criticism of him like because you got to criticize and he gets. We're just being loud mouth idiots, but anyway back to this back to. You guys have. Lap Out Dennis is Chris I have opinions and feelings. Yeah, we have. We have some pinch bill anyway. See Roger started off as He was the son of was that it was it was Sarah Justice Rogers. And He this is with. This was in nineteen, Fourth Nineteen, twenty two, because, of course, she was of course born on July four. Wants to join. This is also during we will get to be visually. Be Otherwise a Nazis and poor to in. He wants to You he wants to do as part. Of the problem is he is a scrawny kid. Literally. I guess. A wet noodle. Also wanted to see it as a kid. Goalmouth creative arts for drawing are the future. That Steve Rogers. But. He he he has, but also also the heart of gold and the in you. From the movies and things like that. If you've never had the Hamas, but it's like the driving force of Steve Rogers is the kid that they can get knocked down, but always get back up. All Day. That is Steve Rogers. And while he is this Ronnie Kid. He. Gets his results. Resolve is the thing that kind of gives. People say. That's what we need. for for project. Rebirth Product Rebirth is. the. Project that eventually turns Scotty Rogers into Captain America. Well, we have to America. Because the first venture basically just tells the Golden Story Yeah No. It is one of those things where some minor updates to the. Time feel. Just that story. It's the story of a kid who loses both. His parents early Q. Who wants to fight the Nazis, but gets rejected repeatedly because of physical abilities, but someone see something in it. And such a relatable stugotz. Stories that. Every kid had gone ever get to have right. Right this is I mean. This. Capture America is the like you said the. Movie is literally everything about. World War Two golden age. Everything you see Rogers all. That is golden age stuff The. Captain America comics number. One is his first appearance with Bucky. Thanks also to the Red Skull. I'm not I. Don't think that is the E. Smith of the radical we know they eventually recon that to be somebody else. It'd be a Nazi spy. They bring him out. They bring in. As captain America's number seven. George Maxon was the pond was in the first episode in the first issue, but yeah, it's really honestly. These years are literally Captain America Bucky. Fighting Nazis like I didn't go and try to find his comics and read a bunch because. Well because what happens is. I'm going to say they're not interested. I think I think I. Think we cover this when we did the. History Comics I think. To me more about the historical significance of what they represent, and what these are these this time? Coming from large part were staying out of politics, ain't out of world events, and here you have Stanley Jack Kirby with a capital. Steve Raj American jump headfirst into their right. We've all seen the image of Steve. Rogers Captain America Punching Hitler in the face, you know the. Pitcher pitcher. ANTIFA, like that right. The. You know the the red skull and all the everything. Enemies were basically Nazis like everything was very patriot, patriotic and things like that. It's like all this was as marvel jumping head first into the. We're not supposed to be talking about politics well here we are you know I think we covered his voice eventually. I mean some. A lot of this ends up this. Never get back as back. What happened during the time here in the forties? But when you get into like the silver age stuff and what we're going to second is when they start going back and read. Conning are adding more more information into that even to this day when you get more monitor storage, you're still telling them man out of time story where you're telling some of the things that happened. You're going into the invaders the. Winner is. Captain America Bucky the human torch, not not Johnny, storm but Hammond John Toro. And name were and all those all those character. If we already know, had also been a after, they'd done. The caps also started getting all the other characters kind of dealing with a war efforts as well like all these things are coming in, and that's the significance of that time period. Go back and read them. Probably necessary you don't need to. Gets retold all over again anyway later on, but to me. Golden, as cap is what that is. It's the setting the stage of saying. Hey, you know these are world events. Marvel's about the world out of our window. There's literally a world war going on. We're going to dress yet. Is that's probably the theme? She throat cap books. Yeah, absolutely absolutely. And, so it's it's the direct. pushback against this idea that I. WanNa keep politics out of my comics. Well motherfucker then. Why are you read marvel? Comics. Because from day one. That's where this is where we're at with this so. So we're not going to whole lot in a matter of fact, going to anymore into this is going to bring up. You know Abraham Estrin. Who is the of? Creator of that Super Soldier Forum Sam. His name dropped in the show last week. Yup definitely did and it's important to bring this up because again this is. Another. Another effect of Golden Age cap is that Sam is also the basis for a lot of later things happen in. Marble conches of they're trying to recreate that Sam because it was all in his head. And St Roger's own. When they got that formula, and so a lot of the things you can trace back to that, and even I didn't notice it. I didn't know this, but even the shield the shield was made the originally was made from. It was vibration NEOM steel and they say pro rata Minium, and eventually that game was. They can never reproduce that which eventually led to the creation of Adam and we know what how important that becomes later on, so it's like. Everything traces back the CAP. You know it's one of the things that are really loved about the ultimate universe. That we were able to kind of calm things back to capital in the Marvel universe. Everything literally the whole cabinet because they're trying to recreate gap like it's. there's a many armories because captain America existed. which is what would have happened? And it's really interesting to see I I love. Stable mega work there, but if you really want to see like a really cool approach, shoot the beginning of ultimate. Even Peter. Parker's tied to chase recap. Ser, who can make next Captain America? and. I love the fact. They're able to pull that into the mobile universe, and yeah, you're evenly. The next one will get you. Over even guess what. Tied against America Yup. Yup. again just as idea of creating. Also the beginning of the new armed phrase thing about. You know talk about Catherine Hours. Yeah was going. Super Soldier Serum. makes him the peak of the peak human. Faster doesn't get tired is. He is. The cabinet seen the movies like honestly. Not Binge before the to up of post witness. That's pretty consistently drawn out pretty Sicily depicted cap. In the books they don't using dipping the superhuman strength is. Early on. But modern cap seems to have established at least levels remain string, right. We talked about that. She auto she'll! I'm not going to. To. It's still. Still makes you laugh that bar. Not just talking about the bar that. Alternative drops in age voltron. I suppose versatile material plan and they made a Frisbee. All hand hand combat her probably cows biggest anything. He's the preeminent tactical commander along verse, Yes. He is the guy you want calling the shots on the day of your war. Offices Pool in very smart readers very smart. But all the for. Or is an immoral warrior. God. When it comes to hitting people time, he says. That's captain there get! Your your fees, your field commander. Your tactician like that is. which you got, you know. The to-do? We're talking a little bit wrinkle for superior, and we'll get more in hot more at Red Skull other. Another one of the big names that was back in the forties was. We had the talking to first pretending these the twelfth Baron Zemo. Howard Baron Hiring Zima. Also also Nazi. As a big thing so. Windows you. Don't get hydrate Intel silver age so you're. Right. It's it's how they looked at something. We're able to say not saying outings over it right and so you know back back in the Golden, age. It really. They were Nazis I just wasn't new. Zima was a Nazi red. Skull was a Nazi Mike Rescue. All had no at this point. He had no powers. He would literally just do with the red skull masks. It. That's what that's what he was bearing Zima was a was a A. Nazi scientists. A responsible for us some of the the the weapons of war, then the Nasi. Add And what you get here is again. You know this is all golden age. You'RE NOT GONNA go too much into that, so let's hit head right into silver age Would they I did was. It was one of the strange here one fourteen it was basically a test case to see how how fans would react to. They thought the CAC America's coming back. It was Johnny. Storm thing from the new human towards a teamed with what he thought was the captain America turn of being a posture, but Stanley. Inject. Kirby did this to see like what happens if we did this? What would fan reaction be? If. If, if we. If we if we brought back captain, America, you know and. It was a good reaction. You know. He won't be able to find it. As you. Go back to. The Golden Age cap was created by Joe Simon. Runner definitely bring it up and say hey, Joe Simon and Jack Hurry that did that. But it's Stanley and Jessica Regan. Who bring him back with a vengeance number four? Everyday done that. Yeah. Test case in strange tales. In nineteen, sixty four, saying. It was nineteen sixty. March for weight on train shells was sixty three in November okay. so yeah, so they brought him back. In sixty four with. Number, four. Yeah, March smart. Sixty, four is when number four comes out. and. Yeah. This when you get the story, the story about how the experimental drone? With. Baron, Zemo, and Bucky dies and cabs trapped Nice. and the venture find him break him out, and so now you get the the man at a time with You. Know a guy who thought. Was Fighting. War To in this now in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four now. The interesting about this is when you put it that way. It's actually nothing all the time. No compared to what we see nowadays like what happened in the movies right where he goes down World War Two he gets waking up. In, two thousand, eight like. Signing time scale, right? It's like that's that's. The the more the further and further away we get A. We get away from World War Two. The at a time thing released really nails. Right because it's like genuinely retelling of the story every time someone takes over the CAP book Feeling just having the. Ten years ago. It seems like the little notes that because. Like you said, is it marvel works with that silent timescale? It can't just sit into the year. Happen because I'm fascinated, means a lotta shit happen to be. In a very short amount, dot a very busy life, right? But yeah, you know of a number four. Four six four has like classic cover it's. Captain America lives again got cat with a shield leading the avengers. You know on the cover. That's A. It's an issue after hopefully, it's so. And you see this team. Books team will be announced in like three. Of the first arc and the real team is finally formed. Original of injuries. Early vendors. Got Your. Back Mitch. It's crazy. Yeah, no that Jack Kirby covered is. Yeah. Great. A class an. Issue Sixteen when he takes over as leader of the team and wanted to cover. That has saying of interest symbol on the copper. Quartet Yeah You know and and so. And this is the start of you know what everyone kind of considers cap like all your cap stories. The there's the. Joe Simon and Jack Kirby in the forty s great you. They lay the groundwork for this character, and we're love about Marvel's done. Here is none of that stuff is lost. Mike vast off happen, you know. Cap Cap lived that life. That is something he did in. There is no crisis nothing he was trapped in. He's trade was trapped in ice. In so now you get. All these other care and they're allowed, and then fill in those gaps for more information you get things like. The creation of hydro that comes in strange tales one thirty five in United Sixty Five, you get. The see there was the. The new baron Zemo, who comes in a win win. Do they actually bring in helmet? How? Up Here Helmet is L. He's in. He's in in four. He's actually in the flashback in in in in for so. And he's got his first full appearance. An number say so the Zemo that everyone thinks of when you think of the parole mass and the sword, and then you get zero. They actually no, I'm sorry that was. That's that's that's Heinrich. Home. Seventy three. One six. Once date, but you you start filling in those gaps there you get. Peggy you get Sarah Sharon and Peggy Carter. Actually in, here's a here's the funny thing I didn't realize this that believes Sharon comes first. and. They're actually scissors. The the recounting that later to that being her aunt Peggy Garrick. How does he? They pull him out. He's able to people he knew for froze right? He's Oh Gabriel Jones work for the The army gave him back. Yeah. Okay see twenty years went. Back. Jarring as every avenue is dead, right? Right. And so things slide on the time like it becomes. We're GONNA talk about it as it happened in the books, but yes recognized that these things shift make more Dr. Should become more jarring, and you have to find ways of how certain people live like. How does the same red skull that he fought before? How does he alive? How is? You know. Where do these things come from like I? Were Arms Zola and all these other people that he's kind interacted with. Where do they fit in and again? It's a sliding timeline. But also something I think that would be a nice little. US to do at some point to. Because it also goes, there's a reason to reread warriors. I would love to have some point. Do a deep dive in the shield and hydrate. 'cause they're so much history between the two of them. To do that with you all. I need at least a month. Yeah, no, no, no, this is! The Shield acronym mini to? Toe got technically you know I. Mean that's where all the stuff. That's where you really kind. pull a piece of. The Shield. Yeah, where you pull those pieces together so. Like I said the other thing, too bucky so dead. So, we'll get back into. You know you don't get the return of Bucky. for a long time what happens is. A. What happens. Is You get new bucky? Buckeyes. We brothers name up several times now Rick Jones once again. As BUCKY FOR AWHILE Jones who shows up in hand with Cap Yeah. Oh these are real. The injury injuries. You're going to be cool here. Rick Jones is habitual. Hang around her like he is the modern shod of model. We just talked about with the Hawk I mean. There's. A hog it was. It was a captain. Marvel like there's a routine. Super Groupie. You might. I mean I was thinking it, but I didn't want to say I said. I wouldn't call okay okay. Gotcha could. Jones? You Have Jack Monroe will get into Jack Jack. You know when we talk about the other cats. Yeah talking about Jack. And the other capsicum up here, but like you know. Yeah, you have all these different things going. These These stories telling of getting cap back into the world, and and again they also line up with. adding. This is the thing that makes the capital books so much so political as. The world's events. So things go from it just being in a Nazis. You are getting more now now. We're getting to the. Six Year! You're in Cold War time to now you're bringing in the Russians, and so now you have not just Russians you have have. The. Soviet Union and the Russians and Communism, and you have good old corruption in the United States, so it's like all these things. Are pulled in. Into these stories the tell I'm trying to find out. When had it written down win? The Red Skull returned. China the Red Skull. let's see. Dispense number eighty. which was I wanna say sixty on her. Fifty six. Okay? Yeah Yeah. He's revived by aim. Which again why? We need to tell that story of seeing all the different branches of of different here. Super Villain groups that branch off of Hydra. But yeah, he is. He's revived and this is where again this is why we talk about an expensive run. The thing that that? Rascal love is. More than trying to fight, captain. America is the cosmic cube. Yen and you got to remember the cosmic cube allows. It altering reality. In in in insistent thinking. Books can vary consistent theme in cat books to alter reality on, and you've got to remember all comes back. He changes reality, but because he's SCO. No don't kill me your slave. Think it's cute. Back Rosen. Because almost. I See I told you I'm just. On the ship, almost like it's A. Theme in these books. Get Mad about some Jonas signal story next. But the thing about is, it's it's also that rickles a true believer in so his whole thing. Is You know he is? And this is one of the things that comes in you. Have Your your true believers, you true races, then you have you just your regular super villains who probably have raises tendons tendencies, but it's not driving goal red school listen. This does not make no mistake about this is. Doing all cherry on top. Of that the racism the right? Of reading the Brubaker run where he was we. Inside of a was it, Lucan and When they try to get the new the new guy. What of his one of his cronies is called master race. How? Fire. Let's a close it. That a lot of morning, give you just like. The market just. If you, lose you lose if you lose the house on the the chest. I might rock that. Say It might be alright. It? Did remind me of What they did with Marvel and captain Nazi just like Oh. We're just going to go out there just. Just, not even I don't even play around with it but like. But you're right, you know read. School is a true believer. He is a he believes it all into that master. Raise you know a racism bullshit. Is that thing and Cap being the symbol of this is you know? The great symbol to kind of fight against that. One of the Let's see here and that actually kind of it kind of makes sense when you do this. I think Captain America. One ten is where they have Joan for a little bit B, B B Bucky but to me the one of the things is. Either one sixteen to one seventeen and we talked about this when we did his cared corner to first appearance of San Wilson. Largely considered the first black superhero mainstream comics he his appearance is in. Kashmir, book. Of Red Skull has used. The COSMIC CUBE to trap. Captain, America after switching places with him, which again makes us weird? This idea of a cat person being in caps body, but not really being captain America. Where have I heard them for And since CAP to. To this world where he's also trapped. Sam also there, and the other came with the names of the other people. He had the excellent. The risk while I've been using to get the Casa Cuban exiles and Sam, Wolfson teams up him and red wing team with cap the first appearances of Wilson now if you go to. Brubaker does his first run on SAM. Those I we to issues I wanna say that's where sin rescues. Daughter makes that claim that. The Cosmic Q. Had Kinda altered Sam's history in that part. Yes, so it's like none of this stuff is like this is not. Even the newer comedies use these kind of stories. Use this kind of. To kind. Insurance I. WE could go back to the forty s and I. Tell you modern comics. That slide to those books. Stories and they all do like the yeah. I. Got Him. Yes, you've added to the canonical story, but now goes to the times we're. It's hard to tell so if you if you're a cat complete. Actually! Capping Hawkeye back in time and Steal Motorcycle Cabinet Bucky were flying and frozen in. IS THEY STILL? I get it. I understand I to read that book I just don't feel like doing. Here's the thing that's the one thing about this. A little more coherent than way more coherent than what? DC is done, but this this is also where you know. The capital's kind of get into that territory of you. Guys are playing with fire. You GotTa walking a very very thin tight right now. Right now you've got to be careful because like you said. There's a lot of time travel that a lot of. Like cat books are big on altering. Altering time because. He was involved is altering reality. And when you alter reality, what Israel anymore you know and I'm not trying to trying to you know, make all philosophical, but like it's like that is what do, and because the red skull and his goal was always involving using the cosmic cubes like this is a recurring theme that again. There's another one of those things that if you're not really familiar with these captain America, books you spend. This is ridiculous I'm like no. This is normal like you'd be shocked. How many times? Some of the best cap runs come back to him. Dealing with the internal between him and the rest goal and the Casa Cuba's involved. Is just what it is. Yeah, so. Yes we get. The same Wilson and salmon and cap become. Partners. And the book as important, even becomes captain America and the Falcon. It's. It's there for a long while actually end. We get like. But Scuba means that once you get kappa partner again. It almost starts to make the story more. Engaging, because then you get immediately, defy fake Rogers and Jack Monroe. And so the net. In the gap between caps disappearance. Trying. CATAMACAS occur, said the PODCAST. Jaclyn Jose particularly sad story. He snapped with crazy and. Having to put him down. and. He does it, but man it is. Sad Tale Jacqueline, let's just bad right now. We'll we'll cover into. We'll go into those later on and you're right. Those cases of the there, but for the grace of God go Steve It's it's again. It's a scene. Cap American combat? Yep. and in having to have the real cap if you will come on down but also bring you know that becomes captain, America and the Falcon offer won't because again when Sam eventually gets the shield later all those year later, people look I can't believe. I'm like when you look at it. Look at the history. It's OK America's like it's almost point. It was over deep. Like anybody was going to pick up the shield. Sam. Sam Is there when there's a part when we get into the Brubaker run where they're trying to read. Sharing trying to reach Steve. A Knicks Ronald. Reach out to Steve and they and they go. We got a call. The we basically we've got calling the big guns and who they call, they call Sam. We'll talk to Steve because. That is the relationship that Sam. and You know when when when when we covered in the same thing, but you know. Stephen the one that introduced the Sam to Challah to get him his actual wing so when you first meet him. He's a dude in some tarts. That can talk to birds. You know. Which you hadn't pointed that out, but yes, it's true. Hey, listen you know what the more as crazy as it is has been able to talk to bird I. GotTa, say. It could have gone really bad, but they actually use it pretty well in the books they I ought. We've seen some bad uses of. Power don't make sense. Australia this is no. They actually make it pretty good. They use it so when Sam does and I love that everybody was kind of skeptical about it too until they need it and you're like. Same. Well. How'd you find? Pigeon told me like. How do you fuck? that. Like. It's like. It's like it's like the ultimate spider in he says. Spider, don't tell me right. Yeah. We're being serious Peter. No Actually Teaching didn't tell me. One of the interesting before we get this because I want to get to. There's there's a lot of interesting stories been there and say there's a lot of the stuff that kind of ties into American politics, one of them comes into a sculpture, American and Falcon. Sticker, empire. and. This is the one that. Ran around the time of Watergate. Direct response walk. I know it was a direct response. I didn't know what the. Before okay? Seventy four is when he becomes no matter okay, so they literally ran it right around that. Books better time travel. But yeah, so the secret empire later. A another A. Branch of Hydra has basically been has a move to try to discredit again. Discredit Captain America. And turn the country against him and what? Lots of goes on which eventually find out. Is that the number one? The person leading this the secret empire is revealed. Don't show his face, but it's pretty much like stated as revealed to be the President United States. It's fucking Nixon well I know I know I know, but they just don't show. They don't show you. Show you face and they don't want to say it, but. Read, the words in the balloons, not Nixon's voice right well, not only that, but it's like we look at the timing of the issue. What's going on the time you put in? The context of Watergate is fucking Richard, Nixon, right. and. This is the thing that kind of. it cuts. These resolves them and patriotism. He's like you know. These are people like me. You are supposed to be fighting for the good and fighting for the people and just a corrupt everybody else. So becomes a man with a country in the worst costume. Comic history. That nomad costume is on. Appreciate record. Also nightfall also. Man Is. Just. About anything it's always does. But that was such a shooting. That costume! I've never shaded. His Israel Su. No my costume. Bad at. It it's it's it's. It's not good like the nomad sue they give him I guess people were calling the one that he uses an infinity ward the nomad suit that is so much better than the suit you get A. He has a Cape. They gave him a cape. It's like eating McKay of. Americans also at this time this day Steve Rogers cartoonist. Cars. I forgot this. Yes, a weird thing to me. That Steve Rogers at this point in the comics also has a secret identity because that he's. Drawing the Counter Count Book. Is Little letter. But in the time, that is no mad various re I pleased. It's Super Bad. It's. A bunch of people. TRY TO BE Captain America. Storyline did just mentioned. Can't replace the man. Decides. It's not about the government's about the tales of America means. I'm loaded nothing general except the American dream. Sharon Carter's believes be killed Jack. Monroe takes on that Shitty Cossio of number. Even. Jack cheered. Thanks, guys. What's your next? Have you seen this obviously? You want this all costume. Go and put it on. My God. It's fucking terrible. then. There's another another key tour lying around this time. Well, actually, it was like one hundred later. Is there in between the nomad stuff and the radical storyline to fifty? yes, who fifty? I mean but yeah Steve. fucking. President I feel like. It's one. Rodman Stern first big stories. And I'll be better. Stern guy thought that stern stern areas really good. I thought I. John Burnham Tackle, too. But! Yeah, the big thing is you're GONNA get to death threats goal. Posts. Concerned. And I just wanted to mention the. Definitely. Mention that, but Jamie Dimon. Matisse Jesus, Christ Death threats call. It runs from issues. Two, ninety, two, three, three, zero one. And there's a couple of key key key things here that Mahir one you get. The first baby. You don't know who this is when you first meet her in to ninety. It's. She's she's named mother superior. Send Cynthia. Smitten arrest call starter. This also involves helmet. ECZEMA. is also there and you find out that there's a red skull and read school is dying. the GASA kept him. Suspended has also. Slowly seeped out of his body, and he is about to die, and so would he wants as his final thing is. Take his enemy down with. And so the whole thing here is. The the big thing here is in two ninety eight. You get the full origin on the risk. In this ovaries time, but who he is. And what and you see and also you can see the face behind match for the first. Time, Twelve Before this. You've only seen risk all with the red all maskell. And so you get him in this full races, Racist Glory, asked you see how evil he was to his daughter to make no. Name, your daughter said. It Cynthia I know, but when you like. The way spelled is spelled. D. Sit. I recognize that the best our ground I mean he's a Nazi. What the bar is for this, but he is a Nazi so I didn't expect a whole lot. I expect a whole lot either. I'm just saying that s like. When you do that, come on, guys, it's just. What do you expect to hear? What is important is an important story that kind of tells you and gives you. The history of what is supposed to be is basically the death of an era of You know this this ongoing battle between cap and rescue. Now we know that when you have an arch villain like that, and you may hear the knock on the stay dead along some real quick. I. Don't Hear One more Jean Grey joke from any whatever. This red school. He died so time. He dies so many times not just like we think he paid the cosmos. No, no thanks. You think dead. Repeatedly. I WANNA. Hear anymore g greater. Also, in the middle of this, also, when they were writing this also around the same time as secret secret war for happens. And the heroes all vote for Rogers to later. If. You want to know who who really runs a ship. And then. We get Mike Grunwald. Holy Shit. Ten years. One hundred thirty seven issues. Treats crossbones. Services the site. DIAMONDBACKS! Lacks Masher. Tiny coach drunk scourge of the underworld. Walker Right Oh? We get the captain. We get him losing the Sierra. We the retarded the red skull. Mark! GRUENWALD. Teen years. It's. What is that thing that we always say that you give the year rider that moment of care, so fucking funny. How every time we do this! We find a place where like Holy Shit like a silence him or Credit next minute. GRUNWALD, CAP The things you love about cats in America that are not bucky and are not from the fifties. All happened in that ten years. Yeah, this is where you get the red school. who gets resurrected, but he's also that I think this is also rector in clone body of CAP. So this is where you can get like every now, and then you get the risk for having a wider risk will have power. Now are a little bit more. It seemed like it'd be physically more. Able because he's, he's inhabiting clone body of. Cap. And it has been restored in that. You know Yeah, there's there's all the political and social. This is the thing that sets up everything that's happening now. I mean this is. I mean. I hate to say, too. 'cause. It's not true that. were cap political because he's always been political like everything before him is political I mean you got to think about it? Like cap runs around with with. With with a woman in Sharon Carter who is a bad ass. He's got a black partner in in in in San Wilson. A lot of people he in Iraq with a Jewish I. Think Arnold Roth one of friends come out as gay like there's like maybe they do not hide away from from political stuff in the Cap America's up before this, but you're right. Yeah? I love this shit. I hadn't actually read it. I was a kid. Didn't like for me. I've Nixon guys. It's probably I. Think. Probably, these books have been over my head at ten years old. No absolutely I absolutely agree with. That can see that. But Now I mean no these. This is this is where things get so political? Even more not doing it takes the stern stuff. It takes the the nomad shit in dials at. because. There's no answer this. Incident time that makes cavs. I'm out it's a culmination of. Things I can't do this. I got to be the captain now and this time he a fire suit. So Luke. Fires they bringing replacement John. Walker and Holy Shit. The Barber crazy kept America's has been raised and German John Walker, the fucking redneck. Another reason why if you want someone who were so excited when we saw the fact that our brain aging Johnnie Walker in? Your. Lucky for. Those winter, soldier, and the Falcon Oh nigger like. His. Sports Superior show this. Before that happens Gerardo talk them up. Before they win. Fuck! Yeah. I'm here for. Ten thousand percent here for. Yeah. He tries to be Catholic and you learn what makes special because. Due an easy. Any he before they start putting pressure on the outside. The drive them crazy. And then they gotta fight three fifty kangaroos Captain America. We got some fight. Back Shield. Hawker because he was Asian. We won't let cap for your book, but you can have the redneck. I this whole thing. For a while there, he loses a super. Super soldier some Arab. Using exit skeleton. A bunch of happens during the. GRUNWALD run. All kinds of spins Nikolai. Yeah, no eventually does, but I mean I. Think when you're on that long, but but I think there's a lot of stuff. For blood transfusions from the skulls two hours back. and. See. Way Drawback. Sharon Carter Khartoum's important before the thing. We're not gonNA. Talk About having. We don't talk about here. Offered born, so we're GONNA. I fucking reviews. When he takes its back when they come back in the show cap, which not a family under shield, those dumb, sorry mark. In, isn't that we need the real. We need real shield. Lose the shield gets the report. We built everything. I think the next big runs should be the vying for. Because when the September eleven attacks happened in. The real world. Morals opportunity to relaunch this character. Capital Report Launches Two dozen to. And! His. Berry. Very ambitious. Any nails. Is Right. I remember if volume four was him, or if he was sorry, you should try. Volume Ford only like seven issues. I know he's definitely volume. Five enforced filming. You probably might start. Yeah, get by for that as well. Yeah. It's the beginning of him saying he's Kinda Colin Shot. I'm going to tell a big fucking gathering story. And it starts moving Brooklyn. And revealing the world. Didn't eventuate. Civil happens, which is a big deal, and it affects even real ways. He's having kind of a a kind of relationship with blondin goes crazy almost kills them all. Now, see works for shield. He's found out that Bucky is alive. Same time. He sudden bucket. Yeah, this is the. The brubacker run a hundred issues that started in two thousand five. And the first twenty five issues are based the return of Bucky as when our soldier. You in the. Cosmic Cube Weird because. So it's also experience right. It's the use of the cosmic cube. This the IT gives you more information on what happened. In some of those lost years of the war that we don't, we didn't talk about with the Russians. And how in the? INNOVATOR raiders had help the Russians and general of vast ball. Move I think takes in a young Alexander Lukin WAS IT Lufkin? What does it what is? Interesting. Lufkin and Yeah, you have the Red Skull has returned and has I see does. Gene, grey and the Shit Yeah with a cosmic cube that is trying to piece itself to be back together, but he needs a little more pain and suffering to energize the. Chris Chris Imperfect Cosmic Cube I know. The Lodge to everything can't before. It's almost like a t carried on. The next step the character. Gone Sorry Yep sorry. But before goals plan is is in. This happened early in that first issue before you find out was was having on A. Shot? killed. And by some unknown sniper You later find out throughout the also you are aware of the story in you. Know a you know when you see red skull meeting doing a flashback meeting. Lufkin that it's it's bulky in that. In that in that suspended animation thing there, so you know that, but if you if you didn't know, I can only imagine what it was like to read these. Back then and know. What was coming? And like you said it is revealed that Nick Nick Fury reveals to Cath that. The winter soldier, which is has been this ghost that we see pop up every now and then and these stories is. Bucky bucky was was captured by the Russians and saved when he had his arm blown off, and they thought he was dead the Russian. Was Dead, a brought him back. To life and then brainwash him to be. Their infra infiltrator because other than that Brugere dozen this. Is before you even get to all this. What happened with a bucket being training winter soldier? He doesn't job going back and explaining. To me, call it a wreck calm, but to me. That's like going into more details. Employees back the veneer of saying what Bucky was like you know in those earlier comics. Those forty s bucky was just like everything else. When you have those teenage heroes, it's like as a way to kind of bring kids into the comics in direct reaction to the Hitler youth, and so during this big pook makers run. You have cab, even saying it's like. Yeah, you know we that was the front we paid on that that Bucky was just a young kid. The young you know the opt-out. Who was you know? the direct answer to the Hitler youth. Would he really was was an advance scout? Who Get Hannity and nobody would know I spy spy. E like Bucky was trained. You wouldn't do this by but trained to be an. Advanced sniper. Himself right and yeah, he was only sixteen, but he was only four years younger than cats, so that's other than thirty point. Teen Sidekick. It's not having any Robert. And Midway right brothers, they're not father, son, right, and and so drought. The BOOP Brubaker run when he before. He is leaving you up to the reveal that Bucky is this winner? There's a lot in a lot of these flashbacks. They're showing you that Bucky was bucky could hold his own. Bucky wasn't just the team like you, said the teen sidekick Bucky was. We'll get into this more than we do. You know obviously pull bucky out in a little about him. During the second part of this and we talk about other people that held the shield like book was fully capable. And Yeah so they re. The Russians reprogrammed him and use him to be infiltrated and they're the. Issue it is kind of go back in the show you. The different missions that Bucky has gone on in all the different things he's done and caps going through and seeing what happened to his friend, his partner and he's like devastated by this And and and this is all a plan. You know by a lesson looks like He. THOUGHT THAT Bucky in half in the evaders, kind of left them in mother. Russia to suffer. They didn't help them get what they want. They were just focused on their ideals, and they look down on the the way that they did. They did their work. Again, it's different right when you're know that that Russian front of Hor to. was homeowner. Yeah and so it's easy where they would. Hate him for right, and so you have captain. America being the symbol. Saying we don't do this, we don't we don't do. You get to go home. This is our home. Right And so a lot of things happen in this movie weaker run that are great This is the main my main focus. Rereading all this stuff in here knew it would also directly tie into. The next venture! Get again. Caverns was America because it's worth it well. Yeah, so you? You get you get the civil war peace. You get You get the return to the risk. Even though he was killed the cosmic cube, basically a place them inside Lufkin. And so it's lusk in in in in in red skull. In one you get the return a sin. crossbones breaks into the re education camp that shield to put her in. And breaks her out in basically beat the shit out of her until she remembers that she's actually the rascal daughter and has also raises. He's dead. And they go on their own little ways of trying to murder and. Stuff like crossbones also. We don't have enough christmases crazy shit. That's a murderouns on a bench right there, they they. got a very nice and cuddly cost to you. Yeah, because. Like I remember go through this. I was like I I almost forget. Crossbows isn't just your regular like mercenary. He's your regular like. He's basically like what if what if punisher wasn't crazy, but was also super races. Crossbow and One hundred percent of villa, right, that's crossbones and so. and kind of like he's. We're also kind of like a true believer in this shit so. But you're right. They had this whole thing of trying to discredit Of Cap and what is the company that owns could we brought her before the one that tried to take over a stark enterprises. It's I'll fuck. On. I'm I'm losing it. It up in rating. Yeah, well. We brought it up in the It's the same company that tries to takeover of stark enterprises at one point. Trying to find your power elite, no power elite. It's like no. Vanna Curtis, Krona's. There is thrown as and so. You know there there is that whole idea of also using the capitalism against you. So he's using his using the. They're using the cosmic cube to to get these corporations to become subsidiaries, Krona's and and to kind of turn the world against Captain America. It's it's a very. Yeah. Very well done story, and then it leaves right up into civil war. Yeah. and we've cover. Wars is over time before. We won't cover it again here, but you know it also ends up with the DEFA CAP. But it. Also another I wanNA. Point case for the other side of the government. Seeing with government wants to do. He said you can't do that. Yup and it leads with not just the death cap. Capping murdered by sharing cartoon. And then of course the Board. Right Which? I. Don't think it's the. Clumsy back, yeah, it was. I saw. Doing because seve travelling through time as a man. I get that I. Respect it. I understand it. I just I love it. I wasn't a big fan of Kevin America reborn. Siege and all the stuff in the dark received where captains back and gives shielded. A balcony becomes airport. I JUST Love it. Yeah. I guess heroic as Steve With where he becomes the TH Director Shield. Yep Superhero actors. Is repealed. And so now you get Steve as As the government. As. He's the man he's a top cop. in this and Secret avengers. Black I've seen. Buggies captain America's fun. But, he's killed during fear itself. By Sin. And capping. Again And we'll cover all. Layer Cross up later by. Touch on. Is sealed again because that's one of the many things that happens. Kinda barely vieques. It's one of those things where it's kind of the events. That fatigue air, but there are a lot of events because. They're also slowly quietly road rolling this immigration yeah! So. AB, happens. It doesn't go interest for a while. They do pull out the end they start. The UNCANNY avengers was one of my favorite rodents recommended advocating the team. But catch on. And they are big threat is. Another red school closed. WHO's now taking? Gabriel's Brian telepathic powers, which makes everyone else is just, too. Good decision on Kargar to but up against a cap. Helms of injure squad. I really enjoyed. This run of Katie of injures. I thought it was really well done. Time in his actual book. We're getting we get. was civilian ship Ironing. Takes out. Sitting here Sarah from C. Rodney Body. Being yourself wait I've seen a bunch of complex where Steve's an old man. That was these stories. You've Sam Shield. is now the core data for all of the Rangers? And that carries us through the inversion. The. Time runs out. Yeah, the Hickman the Hickman of Indra. Ron was life home was deaf. You know yeah. and. He's died his cuts by elevator. When ultimate universe invades six one six. Yup Yup. and. Then when we come back from that. I think when we come back is frightened. See them very until at least twenty. Staying and I think that what I WANNA do is. I think somebody who didn't because that's how you get. That's the first thing, right. First hand you get when Steve is brought back, but it's not real estate. And we're told a throwaway panel that so many people. Had missed and so we'll cover. Standoff this autumn, Pleasant Hill. We won't cover like entire thing, but we'll bring that up when we do the prima have. Right. Right 'cause. It's important. I think an important piece there. And if you think yourself, Hey, guys I didn't read a better the hype. I'm not GonNa like this I'm Terry now. Totally the high. You're going to love it. Trust US And then we're at now is with the coach run if you're not reading coaches run. burlap. I didn't read the mark wait, so they came after the. But the coach stuff afterwards has tied directly in. To what happened with Siri Empire. Carter's back Was the which are codename? Oh! Although dry to. Try, yes But, yeah, if you're not reading coaches, Captain America, run. You're missing. You're losing because again is another one of the things of. The the thing is you take away from especially when we're talking about Steve Rogers as Captain America is. The symbol. In Him. The real sea Rogers always trying to live up to what that shield is supposed to me. And defining that that is power and. It is. In and I think that's what you're seeing right now with the coaches run is trying to get Steve to feel the for him to feel like he's earned the right to be captain America again. Because even though it wasn't him, that did those things it was. It was Hydra Supreme. The Steve that was hydro supreme, even though it wasn't him. He's still feels responsible for that and sees that look of again we when you read through all these issues and you go through all these the the history of Steve Rogers you. See All the times where. When he reaches out. To help. An innocent life, and they pull back because something that's happened before because some kind of campaign to turn people against Captain America and you're seeing that again now. That's where we're at now. It's it's one those things where. The fact that it's one story. Yes. And because inside time we're allowed to tell similar story over and over again lots of current. Speak to the current climate. That's all done here. That they knew they could tell. How does the world outside reflect? archetypical story about CAP. Nailed it. and. People who? Speak ill this run and I would tell you guys just reading the books don't want even if you don't trust us after all these years, it's read the books. We're not gonNA. Reach time. We're GONNA to and trust me things I. Don't do this podcast. Like I gotta find somebody to sit in on the heroes reborn. FIASCO 'CAUSE I just won't be your boy. I couldn't find out what I gotta do to get cut. Feel like just the reactions of that would be. There is no way I wanNA make that. No I think we. Actually do some of it for like the for Ironman year. We're not doing that shit again. I looked out. Now I didn't read it when it happened reading fucking everything, right? Oh. Well our folks. They have that as our. Cap Captain America part one. Steve Rogers the men behind the shield. We are going to. Be Back probably in a couple of weeks we move, wrap up We'll hit some of the stuff that we skipped over. There are big chunks of the big chunks where particularly we're buddies cap. For a while there and We'll hit those tragedy of all the other cats. America's in the weight in the reason why Bucky was the biggest Sheila. This shield breaks people. Yeah! This shoot will break you. Yeah! It's not an easy thing. At all. You know. You ask them to do it? It was not small at the. all right. Yes so If you want to also hear them before then miss your son for premium. Because probably next weekend we'll probably get the first part of. What I'll probably do is due to episodes of. We'll do one on Steve on SAM and another one on Steve, and we'll probably go back and forth between there until we hit empire so Yeah so all right folks as much for listening. We will be back soon amish. PRESCRIBED CARE to corner. and. Could you. Talk Radio piece.

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Episode 4: Interview with Macha NightMare

Ravens at the Crossroads

1:37:49 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 4: Interview with Macha NightMare

"Hello and welcome to Ravens at the crossroads today we are here. Interviewing with 'EM MAUKA nightmare. Thank you so much for joining us. Happy to be here. Thank you so One thing I noticed when we were looking over your information is your name is not. Nightmares is in a bad dream but night mayor. It's one word but camel case. So would you care to go into a bit of of detail about why you chose that as part of your magical new. I can try I was in a pretty pretty crazy Very zealous coven first coven. We were called Holy Terrors. We are so much and We were talking from time to time about whether any was taken a magical name or they want to or not. I ended up with the mock. That's another story but the nightmare part. I just Attitude and to tell you the truth. It's really embarrassing. But the am I changed Emerson of what the Word is because I thought it was so ridiculous. It's Mighty Eh Mighty Mugabe nightmare which I think is like too much and actually be something I would think they were really unsuitable suitable. I'm trying not to swearword but little explicit so years I just think it would be. I just think it's ridiculous name and it wasn't ever in contemplating as being public and it's the mayor who writes through dreams. Ms agreed quote from in Robert Graves chiefs about the nightmare eating poets and stuff in her nest. It's it's a trip but I- mock as a horse got us sometimes in some ways and I identify with that to some extent and I remember when I was young girl leading surveillance and stuff and I folks like ours. Okay so and you know the dream thing and as memorable and I when I left when I made some changes in my personal life with with regards to paganism I can consider changing maintain in grief or they said you have a brand which cracks me up so I didn't I change privately not publicly. Is that your question my sense it does it does. I'm going based on information as it will find on you because I've never met you before Yesterday actually Just for our listeners. We are currently at Mary meet in New Mexico and we happen to run into Maka downstairs and she was so kind to you. Greece's with an interview Walsh. We were here in. That is element in this artistic manner whatsoever. That is hey. I love to expand light Kansas. It's fine to say I have to try to Tampa town meetings because I don't like to take to space but sometimes I go overboard. You're so another thing I found again. It's okay to to clarify. He's the newbie between the two of us in in this entire so everything that he's experiencing here The people that he gets to be it's brand new for him mm-hmm so it's part of the reason I wanted to do this. podcast with him was because he had a completely fresh perspective. He's younger than me. And other generation younger me and you and you know why mail again so you have involvement Cherry Hill seminary do less and less but not for any particular reason just because one. I've done this has been implemented. Okay and time Murchison of course and with the tussled about what you've done with the trails well When paint blooming and dying came out shortly after that My friend can't shape and bishop who at that time was the cheer for the Pastoral Counseling Department asked me to create a graduate level course on death and dying and I said well. I don't know what I'm doing is not the purpose of the tech part because it was going to be all the classes are taught online and it was pretty rough in those days because we had to use like Yahoo Chats and stuff live once it was really challenging. We don't now we assume but but but but So she asked me to create that and I I did the best I had. Ten students is pretty enthusiastic about it and they seem to be pretty enthusiastic and I taught a few more times. It's actually been as far as I know it's been off offered every fall semester. It's never been cancelled for lack of enrollment on another another person. Who was who was a student in the class has taken it over and the ironic thing I have to say this? When you're seeking accreditation Dacian which Cherry Hill seminary is an which support? I had to be talked into it but I do support you. Have you have to have your graduate level classes. His taught by person with a terminal degree later on ICAN hire people do have it. I have bachelor's so it was and they want to move into that program into the chaplaincy. MD program which is totally appropriate. But I just thought it was. I think that it was good enough to to design to teach it. It's not really what it is but it's thought by person also doesn't have a graduate degree but she she supervised by the department chair who smell Vivianne Crowley. Okay being taught Nice. Of course it's probably undergone some you know some religions and stuff but exciting and I feel very proud. So it's definitely a part of your legacy that's continuing to grow So I'd like to hear about going back come back. I'd like to hear about how things were when you I started in this community. How was it for you? What was your experience like? Well I'll tell you about my very first first of all we were does totally zealous. I mean it was like we found it. It was really exciting This these nine women. We were the first sort of graduating class for. Want of a better word reclaiming because we wanted to stay together after the classes were and we formed a Cohen. That's helped holly terrace happen. And so one of the people in holidays was familiar with Gog and it was a local organization it was in the bay area and she was really excited about so. We're going to join right. And so we did. And that was eighty one and I've been a member of her sense in relatively active some some years more than others but I went to the first Mary meet. This is actually where it gets interesting. The first Mary meat because it used to have a grand council. And that's in the bylaws you have to have of an annual meeting. Yes it's aboard. They wanted to make it into a festival as well hopefully attract more people make it more fun and so we went to it and it was held at a place called Rodeo beach in Marin County and is now the headlines it's to the same facility but at that time it was decommissioned on army army barracks and stuff. We stayed in barracks on these on these metal cots. That were like they were buffets. It was pretty rough but it was fun you know and I was young. Did less lot of that stuff will creature comforts. Were not as important important right. And so we the hoteliers As a kind of gift to Cobb because we had just joined we created a ritual which we call the wheel of the year and we performed it in a a decommission chapel. This was part of the presidio military. Got Out with. It's it's in it's in Marin but it's all right now golden gate national recreation area and the actual facility where we did is called the headless institute. Nave a lot of cool stuff. Stop it's upscale now for artists and stuff you know. People have weddings there his nice. It's really nice but at that time it was in between so cheap and Not really fancied up yet it is now and they had a chapel that they weren't using and that's where we did this ritual which was really cool and and people loved it and we loved it and I like the fact that we did it in this chapel. It's now the visitor center. Oh neat so yeah so now. Full of pork or Tsar was where the first hell. Yes and we did average on the beach is it's at a beach. HMO RODEO beaches beaches not a big one then we did A. I remember that one of the members of the cover covenant was Coven Call Uh Home holy ordered mothers which I think is just wonderful name and was out of words of warning gloried overrun okay. Okay he was auditor but anyway I remember this one ritual. We were on the beach and we got this chant go and news morning going who is a decompose and recompose and decompose and recompose decompose. recompose which we did for a while on the beach my my memory sketchy you know these are just some highlights but I was in awe because I was going to be around. Oh Man. He's a real witches news and they're really really portent and I'm just as wide I knew so and my my Daughter was with the my my husband and I can't remember if he was with me. We had kids. We had kids to care the kiss but it was lot less formal than it is now. Minnows Fun we didn't think we had vendors per se. The everything was the meeting was just in this room. I don't remember any vendors I do remember. We had an art exhibit of local art people so then it got more more. Does this Lichen because at that time the only members of called worry California and the first the first it was the first time take people I met there. It was the first time I met Judy. Harrow who had come from New York City. It was the first time I had met Ginny. Brubaker Dave Norman who head coach from Chicago It was the first time I met Well Fin was there. I don't remember meeting him. Okay and those women. My Name Wind Song that I met there and I think there was somebody else but anyway when the when the meetings were over it ended up that Kimber was if it was judy or David and ginny were the new officers. They were from another region so we were expanding they were in Chicago. And Michael Flynn. Who was who just passed? Today was a first officer a few years later. Think around eighty-seven but he was one of the New York ones to before we had a a local council there and then we had. I don't remember it was the next year or the year after we have the very first grand council and Mary. Mead was an place called Circle Pines which is a kind of retreat center in mm-hmm Michigan. Where that is I do not but and I remember very vividly having the meetings under a canopy out in the grass? Ask 'cause they grew their own food and stuff and we were going to have car on the call that night and we're having a meeting and we're shock and core it is reading it. It was fun it was really cool to be able to. You know dissipated in that way yeah not like now in hotels and stuff. But I'm not complaining but but it was fun and I learned a wonderful song meeting. Dance that Ginny Brubaker. Dead and I found out I I've done it a million times since then various places and I it turned out dance. She lives in Chicago. The dance was from people she knew in Marin County California which is where I live but I learned in Michigan from a personal Cargo but I spend it all around and Eh and I think it's a Sufi speedy dance and I I also remember walking around Decidedly between meetings and stuff and two men came up to me and they we just introduce ourselves teacher because the cash was really young man and most people were closet which is why we name it all different name. A lot of us and these two men came up to me. One was a a stout and the other was skinny and they said their name was there. What's her name? What was my name and I said it was my name's Monica and and the heavier would said to me? I you mocking nightmare. Which crack me up? I had no idea anybody but it was because the name missile memorable spark out. Oh Okay and the other person was Stephen Poche. Oh and we've been very dear friends ever since the both of those guys with the spark is gone Alma. Yeah but they were exceptional which is a key contributed? Incredible stuff to take a culture which culture culture i. I use it Adjective which in a not a wig a wiccan. Right and I think that adjective was was came via a different vendor. GotTa give her credit for that. which thank you Deborah and Anyway that was the first one was outside of California and not too long after that. So then they started sorta seating. WHOA councils not too long? After that I don't know if it was look her up but they had a mary meet it row conference center which is in Massachusetts. ARE UPSTATE NEW YORK. I forget which is it pretty well. No Conference Center. And that's where I met Andreessen Deirdre and a whole lot of people There was at that time there was Texas local circled Lonestar which is such a great name. It has dissolved years ago. Had other local councils in Texas. But I just I was just uh-huh starry eyed and one of remember. They had a concert in the evening. Some shit some talents show Kinda everything and this one person was playing the guitar and singing and somebody snaps pictures. He got off the stage in Iran. Up after this guy grab a camera it was really funny. He's not in the closet now. I don't think I'm going to say his name. Just in case he is but and also France with them. He's on facebook. But I thought you know and there was another Guy John Holum. I don't know if you knew he is. Yes it is I doc. Anyway he's been officer Congas well and he was there he was from Manhattan and he has black leather outfit on. This was walked go so it was pretty impressive to me and it was early. Eighties onsite I know. It was early age because joining eighty one. And I I think I was newsletter editor eighty six. So that's my story. I'm sticking to it but there are a lot of people that I mentioned in the WHO are working very important the pagan world. And who are gone right judy. Being one. CARACAL foreign being one and sparky rabbit and probably others. I remember once burkey past. I remember seeing all the posts awesome stuff and he was incredible talent difficult to get along with. He had issued some. He'd have fallings out with people for year two. I'm one of the people but I mean we were close friends to the end but we did our stuff sodas even for that matter. It's a creative community entity and so there's GonNa be a lot of He certainly have his personality temperament race but boy the stuff he continues so marvelous Melissa and his he he and his scene partner his name is Greg Released two cassettes. Because that's what they had the days and one is called lean so a cassette tapes. I'm not that young Young that they were one was called lunacy which was the name of the group and the other one's called hand of desire fire and they're both just unbelie just wonderful their occupational meals nice and one of the actually one of the numbers is whistling. It's just the music is great. While he badged before he passed he managed to get because we did have the original recordings. He got the first album recorded on CD but a very limited quantity I think I took a dozen a dozen together for you. The people were saying oh so they sold out like instantly. I still have one. But there are no more to be had and then he was GonNa do the other one after he died. I've been working with his husband Ray in Chicago and We have been attempting to reissue the material. We have a person in who sparked hit chosen before he died person. Excuse me and Wisconsin. His graphics artists to do the cover and Stephen even who is very close to him We thought would he would have trusted Stephen to write the liner notes but It's a question of ownership ship is slow. We're now I talked a CD baby so it will happen. It may have to wait years from from his death because of because of Cheriton stuff quiz show way to prove that we own that we will wrought rails it but I was working for him. So it'll happen. It'll come out eventually. Both of whom I'm hoping there's they're studying this tiny. I have have the computer. That's with me right now. But it's not with me in this room but is with me on this trip. I can play so anyway And there's like things like lament for the queer dead which appears Whereas it music in the pagan folk of living and dying which is actually one of your books that you've written? Yes yeah probably the most significant one. Yeah I was GONNA say which I collected but I did the heavy lifting. It's true I didn't do already already meets coordinating recruiting and all I talk with Dr. Okay no ladies and those built boats right. Uh Sorry I'm late nightmare with someone. Introduces themselves to me as lady or Lord. Whoever then I'm lady nightmare but we don't do that? Particular Killer Trad did not okay. Yeah it's interesting. When you're navigating through the pagan community some members preferred US news lady and Lord with their as titles others prefer they don't have their titles expressed within the community outside of their? You're a particular group And then there's all the different names may be another Monday name that you don't know their magical call name but maybe you know their community name so you know there's and they generally choose which one they're going on using you know love discern normal using normal name and never reveal magical name and some are like me I i. I'm known by Maka because as I said I didn't. I didn't anticipate this being public. And when the opportunity came to publish the Big Book of living and dying which I feel very very good about I feel that was a excuse me. I think it was richest. Contribution again. As Samantha a lot of wonderful pagans wrote stuff. That's in there including sparky lament for the credit. As in and so I had a choice of what name I would. Publish it under. Since is is a pagan. I was known as market and it was a pagan publication. I figured that I should use the name by which people knew me. 'cause they'd say I am. So that's that's how I that's how I got to be using it publicly and I sort of I'm sort of Sally. Was it now. I would know anything about that in said well. I mean the mistress prime part comes out of my email address and it was a screen name but then it got it utilized When I was doing a radio show and then became my brand because on online everybody knew my screen it and now it's like well do I do a use my mundane name for things or drug use my mistress prime minister so it I just go back and forth between the two? There's no way to untangle them on the Internet in rest of the world but more often than not. This is the name that people remember much faster Western. It's cool name it's in slightly nerdy. I mean realized well maybe tech people thirty but from me from the outside look school. It doesn't look I mean I wouldn't recognize it as being nerdy. It's from the transform. I'M GONNA lady sorry but I think they're a little vigorously take apart right. Yes yes the ones that ours. Robots robots car. I think so. You'll have Emma Watson disguise. Yes but in order in terms of names when I was working with Cherry Hill Seminary of course and as I have done a lot of things with teacher turn US Department Chair and I forget what else but I was a couple of other things and then I moved onto the board of directors for for complete years now on the board of advisors with the likes of Ronald Hutton. which it doesn't really mean? Anything just looks good there. They give giver of approval of what you're doing essentially it's a reputation thing but it's cool anyway. I was when I us on the board chair of the board. I started using aim. Aline O'Brien because of the efforts to accredit get accreditation and I thought it would be really not I thought it would be detrimental to apply for accreditation when the head of the board is named Mark Nightmare so I started to use my name name. That's why I figured it had some legal reasonable. Not so much of it kind of is a legal reason right to to use your your mundane name versus your community. But I'm not known by Monday name for the most part except for friends and relatives but even in interface. I'm called Maka right for the most part I mean as somebody who is your brand's Diane Darling I told you can't change it brand. Yeah you're kind of stuck with it so That's what I can tell you about some of Cox's history. If that's what you were interested. Well that was definitely enlightening. I I was actually planning to ask their stories. Have nobody knows his stuff. I'm not all your their secrets but because never has so. I'm pleased that you're curious to hear these stories as somebody who's kind of looking. AH KONG IS A. I'm very into the path them tempted to start the process to apply them. What what's the history here and there? There isn't really a whole lot of into here from somebody who experienced it firsthand. It's always very awesome. It's checkered histories exchequer. Quite a bit and I hope you do it even so still hanging on my so. Tell me if somebody asks you what is called offer. Well well I'm the one who came up with the phrase assuring Pagan Rites since nineteen seventy five because I think that that's exactly what caucus on for the most support first of all they they have longevity so say since nineteen seventy that's for a pagan organization that's a long time whether it's always been thriving different story but it's survived and Sh I sit assuring because that's what we worked for Congress on a lot of interface with Police departments law enforcement and with a military and with a reporters orders journals so to you know about misconceptions about the craft. Basically sometimes there's a big crime involved invent found you Tara. There can the person's house use a little more extreme than that but they find some items and ask someone died in the saloon. They get scared so so. We have established good relationships with them and then interfaith itself started to grow. Yes I mean. It didn't really get Ron COBB was a man. A member of a group called the Bay Area Interfaith Council which I think is probably defunct now? Oh but during the pool but is it really necessary always other things sure but The got really into interfaith in a serious way from time of the nineteen ninety-three parliament of the world's religions he w R dot org and the parliament. You want to hear about the history Portland a little bit. You'RE GONNA share it please. I told you hang lots of say. Oh please I am. I only have been to one but in eighteen ninety three there was Chicago world's fair which probably Pennino with Ferris wheel address and stuff and they convened an organs they convened convene a plenary of some kind called the I was a panel or something. The parliament of world religions was a arm. I guess I don't know how you describe it. But it was part of the struggle. It's fear and one of the people who came to speak with David Kanda. We're talking one thousand nine hundred eighteen thousand nine hundred eighty since that time. A Western thought and Eastern thought religious thought has been we've been receptive to both. Yeah it became known in the United Stations Yoga studios on every strip mall but that was unheard of before and bray any any kind of exposure to eastern religions and Western was used to each other so it had a great effect and in Nineteen ninety-three while before ninety three because get planned but Cardinal Bernardine. WHO's Lay Karnal? Chicago wanted to do centennial. And so they did a centennial and that like cracked everything opened was great there was lots of which is paying Indian headdress native Americans in headdresses and just felt suffices. was there a whole lot of groups. The Earth community has a choir called mother time. They're really good and they did a concert. And other several people get papers brandy any Williams who's WHO's Covers Properties Kovin proxy. I'm carrying this minute Gave a paper on the sate of pigging scholarship which also also is very different. Now that was eighteen. Nineteen ninety-three right. So it's happened. Every few years not necessarily a specific mail years between lean every couple of years in other countries in the first one was in Cape Town South Africa. I didn't go I couldn't go to too much for me the second one was in Wanted Barcelona there was also one in there was wondering about that was later. Okay and then the last one that I know for sure was in two thousand fifteen. It was in Salt Lake City. Well the last one was last November at the one that I yeah so in two thousand fifteen it was in Salt Lake City which is hey in the United States. Thought pod can't miss it now that I Kinko Winston other countries but I really think the planning onto in South America now but I really really wanted to go and so I did actually lead with lot of help from Kaga I have to say and it was quite an experience in what happens. I had a stroke on July. The third and the parliament was in November and I had had a program that was accepted which was a big deal to me. It was as a ritual involving masks on we there. Yes Oh good yes I was part of it good. That's okay. I'm so glad thank you. Yeah we had a chorus. We had three three voices and thirteen goddesses wearing these stunning masks. That were made by Lauren. Rain WHO's an artist in Tucson. Sorry irony you can find her at rain. Walker DOT COM. Don't forget the or you can go miss masks of the goddess and you could see pictures of over for the spouse. They really were and she started to make that series. At one of reclaiming things spiraled dances. I think it might have been twentieth or something. It was an anniversary and I had recruited her to go to meeting. She got really select up. And so that's that's what. She started really rolling with the masks and so they were probably maybe up to twenty of them there and we had people were then when it got us was invoked but it was such a fast invocation that you didn't really get to see him at really fully. They weren't they. Ah I felt they were done a disservice. By having such a you know minimal time to be viewed so I created another ritual focused focus just using those goddesses thirteen houses. I chose them from the collection she had. Didn't I couldn't just use any I wanted to. I the ones that had a mascot sure and I created it for a Pantheon and was done there was really really was on a budget and it was. It was rough people love to anyway. But it's been polished more Then then the Lilith Institute wanted to do it again they sponsored one in new college because again new holiday facility. They had a big big room. We could do it in and up to some people came from. La and stuff to be Lord. Chancellor was in it if you remember and Some other people mentally we'll Kelly anyway a of so. We did a new college. It wasn't as it was successful. We had of course but it wasn't well attended because for whatever reasons it wasn't well-publicized which wasn't mind part of it. I was disappointed in that because a lot of work. Anyway we did it and then I submitted submitted I polished it a lot since then. And it's I've been in charge of it but it's been co written by a lot of wonderful talent. Not just the mask. Makers the ask why Laura but some of the writings by people around the country. The overall concept is mine and I submitted it to the parliament. He's me I suspect. Because of two prominent pagans who were very prominent in the organization position of the parliament it was accepted. I had some other things at work One of the things and it's hard to get accepted and apparently they This a little bit off topic but apparently when they get proposals they turn them over to the members that are whatever religion. The proposal came from. Tom And I happen to be pretty good friends with both of the big people at the Parlin so I got it got accepted and it was really amazing. Really Amazing thing because I chose people who were low maintenance I I thought that was important. Sure an They were from all over the country and beyond and they had a private facebook facebook group which had the script can getting developed. Had pictures of all the masks and which one whoever was going to wear so from wherever they eight were coming for the parliament. They had to have all this stuff costume defy finish out the Beyond the mouth of the government but they had each bring her own however it was going to show up we had they knew what the words were GonNa be said while they were embodying the goddess and and we chose actually asked them to but only few of them did. There's A. There's a transitional music between the parents of each one of them and we chose some of them. Choose are on insulin but they were. It was pretty interesting because like for amateur. Aw Soon who is the Japanese got us we had choral the music which we had the second time as well and For Bridget we had like music and for this year for Hegarty chose Davis. Because you know something and he was doing it would seem to me to work and and like I said. NAH WHO's a goddess in Alaska Inuit throat singers music. So it was it it was not any particular genre was what I felt was good with that got us. WHO's a very powerful ritual? Thank you well at the last minute the CD at on the music on one go into the computer something. We lost everything. We had to recreate the whole thing and praised me. Jeffrey Alva who did that he really did above and beyond so and I had had a stroke as I said in July and this was in November and so I was really not recovered but there was no way is going to miss it so I had. I stayed with two friends who really gave me a lot of helping. And Fay. WHO's here today today? had a car with her she. He was driving back and forth. So I didn't have to Walker take your camera something to the Convention Center so it was really big collaborative work. We had a chorus a Ruth Barrett was the musical director. I guess for want of a better term and drummer and three speakers one of whom was Vivianne Crowley. She pressed me Ha. She's kind of you know she's a respected which yes she's also a cheer at Gerry and we had asked for rehearsal space and time somewhere daring so I have to keep in touch with these people who are scattered all over the parliament and we finally got a little bit of time in one room and all we got to do distribute the last six to the people who are GonNa wear them and tell them how to handle them. Because you know you don't see your fingers through the I of their sacred objects and we got them distributed and we did a blocking and that was it and we had no rehearsal at all and many of those people never even heard of each other and they were working together right. Some of them are people I met Karnak which was wonderful mm-hmm and Somewhere from you know other Pagan said I know from elsewhere. They weren't even always but I loved it. I felt the proud. And it's the best thing I've ever done to be last and I couldn't have done it without the help and I really was looking bad. Somebody said to me this weekend. Oh Hey look much better than last time I saw you. I said that was probably the parliament. Oh yeah so I just had a stroke lease freaking four years ago to you know I know but yeah but I was. I was not recovered by any means but I did anyway and I took the train their two did you very civilized. It's much more civilized than flying a drove. Well that's fine too but I want to stay on the ground and I just the whole routine routine of flying is very daunting you know list of to do true. Plus it's uncomfortable airs. funky dries is you know that stuff so I it was a trade thing anyway so to put in perspective for listeners. Talking about parliament element parliament. Two Thousand Fifteen Salt Lake City took over the Salt Lake City Convention Center which is called the Salt Palace and the truth. Choose or really beautiful place. How many people were in attendance of the Convention was like ten thousand on? It could have been. I really don't Zipper. I'm her finger if I'm really from. Yeah from like so. Many different religions leaders of variety of you've been almost every religion you could think of as represented their indigenous Cultures as well had temple in the in the in the Front Bobby Jean Temple. Oh that's right that's right and stand Madala. That guys were creating right. Got Rid of command and they Six Fed everybody lunch every single day and it was delicious vegetarian. Come and take your shoes off. They put some move your head sit down and they bring you food. It's they did this year to his a huge huge contribution. Yes and really beautiful. And they're very efficient with that. Because you're in and you're out no fuss no Muss you get full on the delicious meal and they must be working for a long time before this launch the big line to but they get through that line really fast. it was salt. Lake was a wonderful when I did go to the area one as well. The Toronto the Toronto and They they're serving Woz again. A great experience It was a I felt. I honestly felt like Ontario was the Toronto in was a larger space physically meant salt lake but I could be mistaken again. It was unusual to have him so close together. Both in terms of time and location I agree. I totally expected the next next one after Salt Lake to be some place on the continent and me too but and I think they're now looking in South America. I get the impression that was where they were leaning. So so we'll see but it was one of the great things about the parliament in Salt Lake. City is the official hosts with the native peoples of that area so that we're utes roots and patchy other native peoples and the whole entire event was opened at dawn on the first day by the lighting of a ritual fire by these native peoples outside in front of Seoul Palace and was kept burning. Twenty seven the whole time. The whole length of the event It was dedicated. Originally an I think greg actually have some footage of that. It was dedicated by people. From all over the world were digits. There was like a Maori woman knows Shaman from Greenland and not an all local local later. People Greg harder does have footage of that that it was amazing. It was amazing. And they were. They had a couple of teepees out there the head drum circles going going or drumming not all they did something they did the same thing Toronto. I just that I remember that. They have the fire. Going in a location outside of the Convention Center So would it have been native peoples from there. Yeah and they had a wonderful representation Asian. I remember going to see Whole Program about native dancing for the troops in that region so it was very cool? I would've loved to gone but a I couldn't afford it and be. It was the week before the American Academy of Religion Annual Meeting. which I'd like to go to and again call has helped me do every one of these things financially? Because I have been able to but And I WANNA say just for the record not just for the record The Person We owe the most you too in terms of getting caught cog and a pagans general involved in international intubate based on true. Yes and on through who is a I think. A founding trustee of the United Religions Initiative. You're I dot Org. There's a seven net national or international national international. One is named which is North American interfaith network that have had prominent which presents And if through COG at least seven album cog has had a participant. And there's twenty eighth twenty seven I think local and regional interfaith groups. The COG has worked with members have had one or another conference. 'cause you've been an interfaith rap for the covenant of the Goddess Artist for quite a while I have. Yeah but something I never want to do. You talked into turn out good at it but well I was told that one of the first things they do is is progress so much not really like it was at first because people were very tentative which other you know doing fan. But she don't compromise Blah Blah Blah and so So don't sit to me. We we talk about each other's religious. We don't try to convert anybody bye bye. People are curious and so. That's you share those things. It's a process called appreciative inquiry. Ns there are sites Online that he can learn about it and so I am a survivor Christianity. It just never worked for me. His it just never worked for me. Never spoke to me and so since most of them were Abraham. I thought why you're about the religion I already now. You don't need ask them about already. Know grew up in so it was kind of had that attitude and I thought I would not be good because I would have a chip on my shoulder. Okay but I didn't end as it turned out I really like it. I get a lot from people. They like me to people say. Why do you do this? Say like me. Unlike patients who eat their young and eager elders at times and we are very compromised. If we don't if we don't act in solidarity yeah we don't have to agree with everything true and if there is a leap multi for my pig in life it's fostering pagan in solidarity A couple of people have asked if I would be running for board positions on the National Award. My husband has already said you're not allowed to and not that. Don't get me wrong my husband doesn't actually dictate what I do. In my day day to day I would think so. But he He was not fall under the way things went down the last time I was national first officer. Oh with Jack. That's right. I forgot and then talking about eating your young got thrown under the bus so it didn't make sense from China because they're poking at me we'll you. Can You can rent for National Public Information Officer. Nobody's GONNA take it. I'm like it's okay. What about I? What is term for first officer? We got a good person standing for. I good Lord for Darius okay wonderful. He's got his act together. He'll be great and plus the whole meg of the world's going to change because we're discussing different stuff have differences that on the council the has representatives from each local council that sort of stuff and diff- separating it from administration so we'll see it in appropriate administration so so we'll see you know some people have been better than others but That's one of the reasons I'm involved in COG. Is there super supportive of this work that I enjoy doing and I wouldn't be able to do otherwise. Some of the interface people are are people more means they can fly places do stuff without necessarily sponsor but I'm not an so I get to do it because it helps me so yea cog for helping you need your little flag. I think he doesn't. You know is meaningless that it's not true because in particular. They said that Assuring Pagan Rites and you can edit at this out but I agree for saying Pagan Rites from some of the members. Now we're only GIS said. Yeah but the work. We do benefits every paying true so unexploited anyways. It's seems to be finding his way. I asked the weapons Put on Web page a couple of years ago and she did and I didn't ask permission and he I just said can you do than accommodating and she did but I'd like to kind of adopted for to give some complex. You know having to like a bottle right and some of the things that I've heard that cog has done has truly benefited the entire pigging community. The just witchcraft. Absolutely we've worked a lot with like Judy Harrow and who's gone so now and with very prominent Cobb and Michael Form who died today and I think Phil Estrada's wealth is no longer member. Go ahead to work really hard to get cogs credentials accepted by the city of New York for doing weddings and stuff. Every jurisdiction is different. It's nothing California. You just do it a lot of places. It's like that but some of them have more rigid quality requirements and so cox credentials. Were recognized Nice. My the city of New York took a lot of effort on the part of three people. So Okay and since one of them just died today. It's good to be reminded because what is remembered lives all in with this podcast. They will be remembered by everybody. August listen to probably get grief for that because I'm being very candidate which is both strength and a weakness. I think it'd be the knows you. We know the candidates that shouldn't surprise them. And the people that get to meet you through this. PODCAST will appreciated Asiad ethic. Hopefully I like to. I like to believe that unapproachable person and in role and I've also been accused being intimidating which I don't tend to be but people to find you intimidating fuck isn't because you do anything it's because they already I'll thank you know it's it's women who are you know who we're stronger just going about their day to day are considered intimidating by people who expect them to be there. Is that a little more Pass it have a Lotta Yang. Yeah and so. I think I'm always fascinated when when people's market experience it really I mean I think she's awesome. I'll tell you could just talk to her and everything but I think they either they get star are struck or they're they're afraid of interrupting whatever you're in the process of going to it's funny because of my own insecurities because of the name for one thing. 'cause it's exactly wimpy and It's pretty outrageous because a lot of people is funny because they don't have green fairy party. They did for several years. Cleveland Clifford at Pantheon which is a wonderful party. He never got to go to it. It was wonderful and Orion foxwood was there and he said to me. I have this woman wants to meet you Some young woman and she. He introduced me and she was just blown away because she thought I was some young goth chick because of the name she thought I was some good young goth chicken here the sped away but I I always going to say because of the name and because of people because I have reputation hi. I'm never sure or often not sure where the people are token to be and being nice to me because they like me because they think get some press me and so I very mistrustful especially when people aren't seeming to suck up. Were you know differential influential in any way a lot of people take it as they do. But I don't I am not that secure and I. It is true that some of whom are that way you you know. They're just sick. Children Cope very few. Mostly that real people but anyway wait. It's just my personality flaws. Not really off we can idiocy crisies exneutral neutral. Hit a few good points here. Is there anything else you want to add in. Well somebody told tell me. I should say this today They wanted me to write it for for they con- Newsletter Rachel Watcher who has initiative national industry representative in his Ford of Nain. North American interfaith network said that they've been having meetings online but what they've been doing to acknowledge not take up any more meeting time with seeing the same thing in a different way is we're going fingers and which we call a twinkle and I thought wow that's a Krecko and we do it in Kabul. The timing he'll new people to what what is this is rare and it is kind of strange. If you don't know but I didn't understand what twinkle would because mentioned Waving the flag when you want a twinkle twinkle. Now it's crazy. Did you not notice that when we were at ardent aren't too so I was in the early reclaiming collective when it was still collective and I was. I was climbing for thirty five years or so I left in two thousand twelve but I was from the original and we used to have these. This really long winded meetings where people would just say the same thing in other way ends I said. Why don't we if you if you would have said the same thing over words that affect just acknowledge it gives it strength? person you know reinforces what the person's saying put your arms of wiggle your fingers which calls twinkle well that brought was brought into the cog culture and it seems to have stuck and I just Rachel today just doing it it made it cracks me up because it was awesome. It's funny it's funny. It's not a big deal but it's still fun. I know some people find it pick. You'll do it is. It is a peculiar behavior. I think I brought it up because somebody was talking about issues with people clapping at its. It was a women's business conference or something and I'm like well in one of the organizations. We do this thing. It's called twinkling and this way he don't also run over over the person speaking. But you're letting them know that you're in agreement with what they're saying and They shot it down immediately real. It's really stupid Israel stupid the work. They should experience right with so surprised she is about. I mean this is a you know. Canada united the United States and Mexico. I you know I think that as peculiar as it might seem I do feel that it has a lot of value like you said not running over the people speaking but also showing them support for what they're saying it's effective and actually now. It's something that the pagan community has has brought to the internet or to the national will global global hemispheric interfaith movement. I haven't seen AH using any other trace context but still she just said this today so crack me up and I had to stand up and say working from a knows you have some tattoos on your forearms yeah What type of flower? The California poppies okay. And what got you to get those on your therefore well. When I was a senior in high school my family drove across the country to California from new New Jersey and it was June and we came through tall out of the mountains down the mountains and the hills were covered with these spectacular? Little orange flowers what are they. You Know My dad's southern California publicist particular kind of poppy. And I have loved loved them ever since and that was in the day it really wasn't appropriate to have visible tattoos right so I do have some others the law but they're not visible. I have closed on except for one on my ankle but I was older and I didn't have to apply. Apply for jobs or anything like that. I was in my sixty S. I was sixty two and I always when I was a kid. They a lot of evening. Gowns were designed with Kinda sleeves. That had this thing over the top the hand and also they made a lot of gloves US former blows like that and I want all my nephews. I can't really see and I. I wondered once that I could see and that meant something and there were pretty and my idea was when I put my hands on the ground with the place that gives me my system is which which is now California. So they're just about life size. Yeah they're stateful. Can't see this on this podcast. But they are. And that's that's why I got up so a very cool. I those one of the first things I noticed about. You actually was the flowers unlike. Those are really cool and I don't a whole lot of older generation now you don't with tattoos on their arms because as you said it wasn't socially acceptable to a have visible tattoos unless you're in the military and Linda was just kind of one of those things in the military. You're got drunk one night at some sure Roy. That's how all of them came back to. US would service people so it was. It was very cool to see that. Because I've I've got a couple of tattoos myself but I don't have any visible title. I've thought about getting some of my arms. Were it'd be visible but then it's kind of putting things out there for everybody to see it's like it's it's a big. The city is a big decision and I think a lot of people very casual about getting tattoos the just slap it on in their dislike a bunch of decals Nicole over the back in the nineties when heavy metal was you know Dominating the airwaves and candidacy was still on the air our We would go to these clubs in the Orange County area and they would have tattoo artists at at the clubs and the M I had girlfriends that would just every week a new something little tattoo and I'm like what are you doing. Why are you why are you adding Garfield to one shelter? Her and then you know snoopy on the other and just like these random little tattoos on the key realizes are going to be there forever and I don't know if it'll still have the same meaning to you as you get laid down the road but Stop getting all the silly little tattoos that you're doing at this point so now now they've tramp stamps and everything. There's a whole generation of right. Yeah so at the at that back. In the nineties it was the armbands the high end. It was usually like barbed way or something like that. And then Then further in towards the two thousands it was the stamp on the lower back and But now I'm seeing that people are are being a little a bit more involved in their decision making with regards to their tattoos. Think they are I. I think it has to mean something you have to think about before I get my I set to although I wanted a tattoo my entire life for one I was really little but it was so uncool and there was no way I couldn't even probably go to a place where there was a person that did did tattoos You know some Raunchy but a town. That's nice girl but I I. There's a thing phenomenon on in reclaiming cold which camps where they have a retreat for a week or two. It's actually how I know Jeff. Oh I met him at which camp two thousand up? Open the I have not had any things youth which camps but before the witch camps we tried it out because people were asking to to have our teachings beyond the bay area other than store traveling around and so we created what we call the summer apprenticeship intensive offensive and we put people in our houses and stuff. It was pretty low budget pre homemade. But that's what we did. We Tal- similar similar to which came the following year. We did it on a site called Joe Panel farm up on this Mendocino coast and my friend Zebra who is in the collective dubbed it which camp and that's how we got to be which game nice okay because some of apprenticeship intensities not to fun flirty. Excuse me a little intimidating just like that the the amount of words which can actually sounds like it's something fun in from your experience. I mean you had a great Utah. I went to It was that particular year I attended guy. A girls which was women between the ages of eighteen to thirty and it was the only time I would be able to attend it because I was thirty that year? We was at the same camp of amendments and it was run by reclaiming and and then bring claiming. Yeah really yeah. It was a Sinus word of belived. A program that was meant it was it started. I went to the very very first one and it was It was like just a three day weekend was just one day show. I have a perfect event and then Death got by. I don't know how but and then than that July I went to which camp proper and that's when I got to meet Jeff Alba Woah and Spent the whole week so but that whole experience those two camps completely transformed my world. It's been very profound for. I love people. I came home Feeling completely More complete within myself. more grounded much more calm more at ease with the world around me by almost missed my exit on my own my drive home. I lived there for ten years at that point. Point walked into my house and didn't recognize anything which is really is profound. It was it was a very profound life altering Experience for me And I was I mean even my boyfriend was like you were like a totally different person. Wow and it was a wonderful feeling for about Out a month and a half to two months before the real world finally like crept in kind of put me back to the way it was before I left but it never fully. He got hold of me. Camp was amazing. Well it's interesting because I've never had anything to do with a witch camps of not particular reason but when I started to travel around and promote the book and stuff like that I thought well I have to talk about this up so I should know what's going on. Well I say when morning when Raven Moonshadow was dying he had designated me without asking me. He gave us power attorney. Barreled care decisions and so forth he. He insisted that We work by consensus. And he named me and that starbuck and then his parents who were dedicated Catholics whom we never met we supposed to do all by by consensus will. Fortunately starbuck was a out of the country most of the time when he was saying so that you'll slept me and his parents didn't want that part of it so I got to do it by myself and I think you saw something that I didn't know there because it was really profound and I was really honored and in the long run who is draining but it was really amazing and so The witch camps were happening and I oh I was the collective it was still in existence in the clicked. Assault is a collective in nineteen ninety seven with the principles of unity. Okay that makes sense and Right so I I thought well people are asking me about reclaiming espy. Met which I should know what I'm talking about. So they said let send market to which camp so she can have the experience s kind of kind of payback for for being Ravens Midwife. Okay so I was said. I went to Mendocino woodlands and So couple years later I applied to teach and applied three camps. I think the same Aamir and I was not allowed to teach I was not accepted. I was really hurt and pissed and in hindsight I know where it came from. That's that's amazing of you. Okay so then so then you never got to never. I attended okay that we have to attend first before you can ever played a teacher. Okay all right and I attended because they sent me. I never had felt the Neto ten before because I live where it was happening in. This was to bring it to other people. I had EH teaching. I mean we developed it and I was in the bay area gobsmacked by that to not. Okay all right. Let's find. We'll we'll tell you when sophomore alter here but the I say one thing that now after the witch camps they now have a family family camp which is all ages and progress for holy Jews at the same site. There's only one which camps are all over the world literally all over the world yes many countries as well as all over the United States. And I've met a lot of people had been hosted by a lot of people through their which camp connections when they've you know reported me to do some or something which is interesting having not participated or nothing teach and so then they east of this man George. Franklin who was very active in reclaiming has done reclaimed quarterly for some years started a teen which ham in the Sierra hills and It's been going for several years. I'm really really impressed with what the kids come back with. I they did the old the older for one of the spiral dances and whist just stunning. They did incredible invocation. The ancestors last year went just. It's incredible and so since that time they have Put together a workbook and I just got a copy of a few weeks ago. And it's it's hefty and it's really good and so if you have teenagers where you know people with teenagers who are interested interested and if your California there's the camp but if you're not this workbook is really I mean really quite good. I say that even though I have some bad feelings about my experiences reclaiming so we're would somebody get I think he'd get it from reclaiming right but I cannot find out by look comfy. I think Tyler is looking you. It's really impressive is TM. Teenagers S.. Churn tinners magic. You searching on reclaiming tinner's magic dot org all they have their own citing. I figured they would. Certainly there's a whole lot of sites Now feel you. Claiming they're in different areas. They have for the semi permanent groups. That are came out which cancelled with them which hamster regional title or local And they actually have changed the workbook that you're referring to him as a pdf on the site so people can just go on the site and downloaded unloaded themselves will regarding my feelings towards reclaim us. I WANNA pitch that for because it's good when I was a kid when I was first coming up and the kids were not involved at all and you didn't tell anybody we childcare for the younger kids. Part of the reason for that was most of the people who are doing. This stuff didn't have kids which was annoying to the few of us. Who did they for reasons? They'd have childcare when we a happy event but that's not the same thing as including them and love and of course it's not appropriate to include the middle of stuff but suffered sale for NASA did the family camps in the tea so the teen Earth Magic is I. I'm impressed by is also because so many young which is who are looking to learn information. It's better now but there's still so much misinformation out there When I was growing up and trying to learn information initially when I was looking there wasn't a whole lot of good information in it was like that for adults we started? You couldn't find anything. There was a couple of books wondering where you're at now with your path. Do you feel that. It's important for people to who identifies us as being rich. Do you feel it's important that they align with a particular tradition or do you feel like it's fine. If they are more eclectic in there like you know some people like with regards to specifically with WICCA are all right. You know you need to be a particular tradition like our narian or whatever and within witchcraft. It's a very broad spectrum. You feel that that if somebody was new coming onto the path would it really matter. What tradition that they would want to depends on the tradition breaks some traditions? Are you know I would like them sumptuous. Since most traditions I would but That had to do a lot with not really status but feeling empowered in some way. I never heard of traditions until I went to it. It was in college and they there was areas and there was The one at Central Valley Luca. Whatever and I'd never heard of it And so some years into it with reclaiming we were having a community meeting. This is a meeting not the collective but to invite the community because there was a lot autographing because they took a lot of people to make the such events as the spiral dance happened but they did how decision making authority because the collective active was who was buried in membership from about eight to fifteen for from bhatty eighty one to ninety seven. Route the principles of unity. What we had a lot of retreats during that time to try to figure these things out how how we could undo the collective or Lekovic embrace larger much of people which is how the Brooklyn the principles of you? You're meant to be if anybody who subscribed to to them can call themselves a reclaiming which but at the time We had these public meetings. And I said well reclaiming his three things is the collective active the people. It's a tradition. I think it's a validation which it has enough identifying go characteristics even design everything that every craft has a to be called tradition. And so it's a tradition and and I had. I said it at this meeting in Pudgy. People said Oh. Wow you're right and it's really helpful to think of it that way as three separate things. I can't cameron the second one. But there was a collective that was a community and the community and help of helpers and it was witchcraft tradition so it is always the first issue. That's pretty cool totally story but we're getting uh I'm not I'm willing to tell but I told you it's totally it's it's it's great to be able to share your story wants billet. Come on I was in this color and as I said it was the first company was called recall e terrorism it was off. She came out of seer the first elements of magic class and the people who took elements of magic. which have the all women wanted? More until they designed a classical pentacle power the pentacle iron pentacle and then and they want another one and so they designed one called rites of passage so we took all three of them. But when we when we want to keep meeting we kept meeting and we formed a covet and we those nine women and originally in this common very shortly after that a couple of other groups did the same thing but this was the first one and finally finally said well I think I want to be issued the craft. Not Knowing exactly what that was because I don't think any of us did and yet ever sponsor then there was a team and actually one of the best things I think about reclaiming strength wise. Is that initiation so done by of committee that is chosen by the candidate who is seeking this year the people who are the committee they can accept or not what and they may know each other or not but they are all entitled to give challenges to candidate and the challenges this the good part. The challenges are customized their challenges for that individual there. There's not like a list of challenges who says you gotTa do X. Y. Z.. And then then you'll be initiated it's What that person needs? What a what? The people know that person feel would be the most potential growth that person to do and theoretically. It's not anything you either haven't done yourself. Where would do so like one on one woman asked me for challenging? She were heavy glasses and I challenged her to do her ritual with the glasses off. Because it's a different kind of vision that you're trying to cultivate when you're doing magic so I mean I would be a kind of challenge for anybody had recently. WHO's very dependent on her? Put her what you would do. A kind of more mine were mental condensate as opposed to more more more permeating. You know to exaggerate will allstate. Yeah so So I think it's one of his strengths and the committee people they they don't so as I say they don't necessarily know each other but they can accept reject and sometimes it takes a long time like raving. It's used for fine. Finally people said okay. He felt this okay because he was missing stuff his life and when he got beyond that it's time is pretty amazing person even moonshadow what is remembered lifts another another Spanish hanging on the other side of Vail maybe we saw harmonies this year alone. Four at least remember what but one of my last weekend in Oregon Panthera. Oh that's right zip there well until we're all getting older. That's that's why I want to. I know that's why I keep documenting stuff. And that's why I'm like spilling the beans here. It's amazing super happy. It's great wait for me. Who's just starting on the path to hear all these stories and just get the experience that you've had so I agree everybody? Everybody was in the closet back then through. The landscape has changed drastically and the reason that cog had designed the way it did was to get the advantage the solidarity group. You know awareness and all that and friendships self without Revealing People's identity if they didn't want to reduce her but that was really a big deal in those days. It's a very few people. That's a big deal for now as you may have heard in the meeting It's so terrible to get out and go. We were in the meeting at that point. Yeah things have changed and I feel personally that some of the structure needs to be reworked more modern situations But you know I I feel like I have said this numerous times and been ignored or I've been saying it for years of Semi Constellation when I'm on the only ones other people have have to and I think this year it's happening for the last two years. COBB has a single the leadership institute which was instituted by Amber K with us to have it. Which is the day before Mary made starts Grand Council and it was to do something to enrich rich? It was an enrichment and so I've done a couple of and code on a couple of them mostly on interfaith but It's it's really a good thing. The Leadership Institute in the last two years. We've designed it to figure out ways to reese reese. Structured reform bring cog up in the twenty first century and we did a lot of hard work. I mean it was nitty gritty work. You know on on the floor. I mean the first one we did which I designed with a Lotta help for manny was a you had tables round tables. Would you sit with half a dozen people and there were a couple of questions all of you would discuss it and and come up with some answers and then at the end of that session Minutes you one of the people at the table would get up and say what what they decide what their ideas were and they wrote them on the wall of paper and then they shuffle it up and you'd be with different people and others. You can be a different people at different table. We did something similar to that Massachusetts. Two thousand seven were the University of Massachusetts but it was more interfaith related. We did that was Laura. Yeah that was really cool. One though is a very Unique situation because I remember I was set with a quaker and and several that was with that logic thing that yeah that was Laura while missile that together while she ham she was also one of the founders of Torrijos. Initially there was awesome. Yes she's really sweet and But it was different. This was all cobb people and people who come to married the table and talk about things about pagan oriented things that we need to address how we address them so they stay in prison for each day one. We did it probably six or eight times but it would always shuffle up. You wouldn't be sitting with the same six people so it was really very since rich. Yes and we did have some people online sort of watching if they weren't direct participants and I was manny was on like just had had surgery and snack and he couldn't come and I was really reliant on because he just stuff like that the business world similar that I didn't learn it from him I learned it from one one of the interfaith things I was doing. I can't even remember what it was so we did that. We took all amber typed nights notes in there on the website. You know things that. What did you wanted what you didn't want what? She thought how things should be done et cetera and then the next year which was in Florida there was a guy Whose name escapes me? Who talked about related things by can't be that specific because my mind is senior but they were all? Two awards bringing cog up to date and restructuring. It 'cause 'cause we were not doing well with memberships people didn't understand what value there wasn't any value as I said assuring Pagan Rites even though you don't know it and interfaith work and they and these people people interface as the other religions they will come to bat for you if you need it and we should come to bat for them when they needed and COBB should issue a statement every time. A mosque is bobbed or anything. Like that particularly in the United States and some people say let's political that's what crop was four right right. It's so confusing to me when I hear people complain that it's too political and it's like even understand if it's too political when maybe not the place for you Hauer Hauer people's lives to political. Not Safe you know to not say something. Well those two things one thing being. Excuse me wet being of religious attacks so minority religions. Because that's what we're about is our rights as argument. So what and now that. We're real prison. An actor presents awesome interfaith even more reason to be issue super savings of support and policies about religious things and Dan as far as the kids. Being put in cages. Let's purely humanitarian thing is transcends politics agreed families these are meant to kids are meant to be their parents. That's sort of the way the species evolved. Thank you very much so I think it's obscene and I know that a lot of people think it's obscene and I don't think it's political to say that it's obscene to separate them from the parents so those two things in particular. There may be others that you could. You could quarrel about you. Know taken aside or the two for those people that don't like it. There are two left at the to progressive or whatever but uh those two things as far as I'm concerned mugs worthless if they can't say about most things well so so the topic with regards to cog so the membership has seen a bit of a decline for it. I'm being really nice. You're the hemorrhage and there could be reasons. I don't know how much follow up. There's been with regards to that because I've been staying out of the grand in council but what is if somebody who has not a lot of people I don't really know about cock not really and Because there's new generations coming up in the community Pagans which is a lot of them have absolutely no idea what cog is yes. We have a website. Yes we have a facebook page back in the day. We had a my space age but people don't necessarily know who we are as an organization and when they have heard of us it hasn't always been positive. We have a lot of negative things to kind of so so we want to. So if Carl interested in reclaiming You know memberships or or getting people to start the process What's one thing you think? Think that maybe call. It should consider doing to make that happen. Very much of the meeting was about exactly what you're talking about okay. So I don't have a pat answered still under but we're we're talking about restructuring and have the ministration separate from the governing word so so to speak and having representatives to that board from each local councils and so it's really coming from the ground up which is what it should in my opinion so I think it's it's undergoing changes And we're even talking about having a i. I don't want what they've surname. I think was like a recruitment officer something like that. I think there was something of that nature and they were talking about brushing said they retired. All these places I could could talk. I would love to around the covers for Kong but you go get your act together before I feel like I wanNA squander Mike Goodwill these people and plus that's the only thing and this is a kinda universal not just pagan related. But when somebody screws up and it's a real those big blow ups about it in his horrible horrible which just happened with one particular recently and that's what people remember no matter how many things should try to do to make up for its they. The reputation is you've made the statement stupid. Save black lives matter we lost a lot of covenant and have we lost a lot of members because of that and I hit I and I was the most obnoxious put over interfaith rips ceiling about that with the falling meeting we. This is so hard to undo. Guys have no idea how much trouble he was making a lot of really good us a lot of the actors and we're trying to win the back that one of the things that I did that year because I was carrying a Lotta proxies and one of the one of the covenants up in the Seattle Seattle area but happened with that. I didn't even hear about that. That's the whole. Will you mean their local council last years ago in a different. I think this is one of the comments. That was a member of that right now. Listening to make remain to answer but this now has remained a member of the Covenant Large but I have to have a proxy so they take the so they wanted. I said well what we're GONNA do. Is I'm going to propose that. We have social justice committee right well the way they accepted that but the way it was implemented was not really practical to have social justice blog. And I feel like you. That's not really it. And and poor Magana Zan that ended up doing everything that was done. Didn't get any other contributions and I had said riot friend. I'm not putting for blogger where you have to write for the interfaith but I did still want to be involved and I promise these people in this common and others that I would would it systems on that at the next meeting. Promise it'll happen but it's a promise that will address it and we did and we did make a nice is better statement. But that's not what people are GonNa remember the revised one. They're gonNA remember the old one. The old one is itchy race you know. I don't think saw the website anywhere anything but there's a policy section but anything was posted on the Internet is forever. Let's let's just four wasn't anything that was negative. That group or individual did is forever it's forever connected with. They're the ones that well. Yeah we are the wants that and it was a screw up but we also XYZ during and we also learned from that and have room beyond that try to remedy that and now so far has not proved very effective. But I hope it will at some point and that's another reason why keep carrying on about mount. We gotta make statements when kids are taken away when not skip mopped It's it's disheartening. To see other people just in general other people getting attacked in hurt four things that they have every right to do every right to do in in some cases have no control over south their fault. That the I'm thinking of El Paso thinking Dayton people have no control over where they were born. That's let's not a issue that it's not like oh I tell you I'm gonNA wear my XYZ clothes it. It doesn't work like that. And so I think more people need to take a stand just in general. You're right I totally agree with you. I we'll say the meeting this morning. There was talk about the El Paso. They said that there were a cock presence. BITCOIN spy and we should've sets up because they were the people I don't know if they're members but I'm sorry my voice went down because of course but The nightmare things things are changing. I'm hopeful that they're changing. I have been disappointed in code for some years to be honest but I also have. You've really enjoyed the interface work which I could not do without cog and there's sadism white colleagues another thing that's really different is that mainstream Religions of WHO have ordained people with true chaplaincy training and so forth with the pastoral counseling and all that have hired people. That's part of the job description. Maybe of a church pastor or of one of the team of people people employed by that church is to be the benefit participant and as part of their job and they have a salary. We only have ourselves. We're guys that way again. I get a lot of help from cog and it's valuable to me as as well as to them. I think. Think so If nothing else I stick around but there's always refer improvement and I am hopeful that is underway. And as I said the last two years we did a lot of work towards that so we have a live. Consider an implementer not and for people to find you online a knows that you have some links on your website for your facebook and a few other places where you blog so. Your website is Macho Nightmare Maka MAKA NIGHTMARE DOT com. which is probably should be spelled? Because it's not. Yeah it's M. A. C. Each A. N. G. H. T. M. A. R. E. DOT COM. Great thanks and it's not current and there is really neglected because I've been working in prison. Student interface works here. Thank you I was was looking at some rituals that you've done. I mean there's a lot of good information. I did that. Great spell spell when the With it was in the eighty s and Ron the whole Enron. Yeah they all that was eighties. They had protests of the human growth which is not a good place is up in the woodlands. But it's you know it's an elitist male. No thing it says over. The Gate is weaving spiders. Come not here. And it's all man and so a rich man didn't start out that way but it is now and Those protests up there at in Russian river and I had lawrence masks the one I had worn in the spiral dance which was the mortgage and it was is such a bad ass mask. I don't who owns it now. But it's Y'all scary when people put it on me for the spiral dance and like turn around and go the person who faceted you know little kids were running away. I mean is really Harry Mask and so I wore it For this spell and there was some people in the bridge kind of calling attention to us. Andy Handy the late MD.. Kahn and Diana and Andy had donated this business suit and I made fake blood from a recipe. That often sparky was an actor. And we've Gotten A. I got into the river with the mask on. I did but washing at the Ford. You know the the wash the blood out of the warriors clothing if they're going to be dying in that warrior then that next counter and and I didn't really think it was for the death of corporate greed. That was my team for doing this. WASHING AFFORD 'EM I didn't know it but my friend Wendy Nick Griffin refunding me. She says you know two weeks later. Enron kill itself died collapsed. I don't he made it happen but it is in line with what I was trying to do is hilarious. I really not about the effect to that but I like to claim it any light a it. It's an interesting coincidence very interesting. Thank you for taking the time to speak with us today and I greatly appreciate the stories. It's great to hear the history from firsthand experience versus reading the book. Because you get so much more information out of it so I want to thank you. Thank you so much because I know we don't always get the opportunity to hang out and chat and this has been extremely enlightening and wonderful thank you. I'm delighted that anybody is is interesting because I really worry about our culture being lost because people die and I'm hold you know I don't even say that everybody's in everybody's GonNa go there and I. We've lost a lot of people who've been wanting to document so I've tried to make that a little bit judy sparking something only appreciate the work end and your time with us today exactly thrilled. I will publicize it like crazy into the semi can. Thank you all for listening today in the catch us on our next podcast lake. Mary part can also donate on our website. Yes we finally actually do have a donation page on our website. So if you'd like to see us do more travels Were involved with the community. The more the donation page Paul. The easiest way to help make that happen exactly. Thank you very much Mary. Mary part

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