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How Do I Get Out of Going to Work on Monday? feat. Aparna Nancherla, Geena Rocero, and Crissle West

Adulting

41:21 min | 1 year ago

How Do I Get Out of Going to Work on Monday? feat. Aparna Nancherla, Geena Rocero, and Crissle West

"Supported by helixsleep helix makes personalized mattresses to fit your unique body type and sleep preferences. Are you an apple or tare. Are you a quote giving you. The best sleep of your life go to helixsleep dot com slash adulting to take their two minute sleep quiz and get up to one hundred twenty five dollars off your mattress listener support w. n._y._c. studios. Am i getting asthma from this microphone. It feels dusty as fuck it just going down a cat. <hes> burton ernie looks like every time you cover. You look like you. I know it's a win. Guard is what it is a snuffy dick. Did i need to go home. Hey everybody i'm jordan carlos and walk into adulting from w._n._y._c. studio the <hes> episode we hear from three really amazing people the father the holy ghost gina sarah gigi you so stay tuned. I love that satis- in <music> pictures you saw to show people people here feel the love in the room. I feel like a size thirteen. Good man tan hans at night but you must have been the leaving conditioner today alphabet number boyish head of hair don. You'll good man. Thanks human thank you. How are you doing. I'm gonna i went to the. I went to my family reunion which is really cool. That was in new orleans yeah. She's really fun. Say family reunion new orleans is here to hops to hops this. There is a lot of cha-cha slide put on the slide is put on believe it or not. My family is very uptight and not tell me your choice. I've relaxed my body. The more artsy jordan so eccentric you know in our family reunion crashed by another family. I was just another black family. There was we can get up in here. This that that song the cha cha i'm wrong. Emphasis on the charter side shot cha slide came on one time to time. They'll hop so don't like then these people were doing it perfectly who the fuck is that those learning cousins of mine and this family from another room had come in and we were kind of like you know all extended family but like who argue they told us they were just another a family then the eight hundred gumbo which is why you gotta go now now in line. I think it it was multiple cups. My family is so we didn't come your fun. I mean the thing about family reunions. Just ask clinchers for me is. It's like everybody's like in my family. We have to look. Does this happen at your family reunion like everybody has keeping up appearances. Everybody has to look good and everything like that and they're like jordan. What you're working on what you're doing now now how many movies out right and i was like i remember i said this to him or you didn't when i was on three different television shows it's like i'm on three shows and he was like well. You got to be on four really <hes>. Come on man. It's tough on some shit. The fuck are you doing you paying your child support what you doing. That's definitely not the tone in my life. Although there was one roast by yours truly where my my cousin duval side of the family he got a little sassy and goes it goes sir. I see some see some platinum in your hair. They're planning and i was like wilbur school. At least i have all of it. In what can what can i say. God but what i love is that you know he's so him and join us so him and you wouldn't think that he has a temper but some all about justice and when that's like my favorite is when you make make a very nice person angry doing this. We're doing okay doing quickly but we're doing okay so <hes> <hes> if you've listened to podcasts before i really become a new yorker. Not only did i get my my phone went and got that shit. Thank on my own. I also i also i'm. I have a car in new york. I'm rich and in two thousand seven hundred a matrix best car ever 'cause it's paid all the way off so far aw power everything all right so i'm driving along when they and and this like tow truck guy smashes into my side mirror and takes that shit off and then i pull up beside him like pull over the patrol so overt and then he's like me and then he takes off. I don't know in my other life. I am ryan gosling from dr and i was like i'll take you wherever you gotta go and five minutes or less fucking strapped my watch to the steering wheel and go right so let's do this. Shit grab my toyota matrix at takeoff fucker on on the beqiri like a bat outta. Hell i do want q._b. Highway rate the brooklyn queens expressway a lot of yours sleep as your uber driver takes you home at night on an four point nine right so i'm right there on the brooklyn promenade on under the cut as we call it right and i've got this mother fucker right on his. I'm driving movie-star. I call nine one on one. I'm like young. This guy scott me and hit and run. She's like we'll send units and i was like oh shit. I forgot i'm black forget the swearing. I catch up with him. In williamsburg over over you finally pulls over and i'm like oh god. I'm gonna die the truck guy inhalers when i so i was this guy's going to beat me with a tire. It's gonna be over right so he gets out of the truck. He jumps down. It's danny devito and thank jesus good what you do to the side of my car and he's like the mayor and he's gonna do anything right and i was like so then i showed him the black hawk and margot and down his truck. It's like look at that shit and then. He gave me his information when he said that was the one thing all i wanted. All i fucking wanted in new york city goes. I'm sorry aw i love what new york has done to you. Let against out. It's good him out from fuck sake. Oh my gosh sherry exciting style. I guess you guys are so lucky your solar. I have no idea she amazing. Twitter is amazing. You don't mind horsemen jaguars. She has her own half hour special on comedy central as well. She is a regular on corporate on comedy central. Please just give it up for a partner. You've got my god. Oh my god. Oh my gosh douglas for that podcast audience. I'm wearing a robert hurt or a jumpsuit but it's like too long because most people are two times as tall as me so the pockets are actually at my knees aw i mean when i get a jumpsuit or a romper i get an exercise bigger just so i don't have all the wedgies because i feel like every time i bend over. My ass eats it yeah but i really love this on you. It's a good luck. I feel like sometimes you're but needs a snack. I just i'm just thinking about the image replaying my head over and over again. Thank you for joining us now. I tell the story all the time. Yeah we have a couple of stories. We have at least two store. We have at least two it so. I don't know how long ago was saw you at the delta. It was april eleven two thousand and fourteen no. I don't know it was like someone who's a journal. No i took a screenwriting class. I took one class and they told me to be specific about why you're telling his story. If you give details audience would be like okay. This person was there got it april twelve two thousand fourteen eleven. Sorry it'd be terrible witness. I saw you in the airport yeah. I'm going to the delta lounge because that's what a bitch does does yeah which was i didn't even know. There were clubs in the airport at that point. I just remember you let me in there. You kindly let me be your plus one and our i was so excited just about loose hard boiled eggs and i was like you. You gotta be impressed by hard hard boiled eggs. Yeah i got orange juice and i got white wine was seven o'clock in the morning but are you. Have you been traveling rebelling a lot for work like being working on the books. I've been staying put who grew up because i'm working on a book to and i'm not sure i feel about i've been unlike maybe if i say it i will i'm. I'm also working on a book. A kid's book actually and it's called the mouse that brought down the house. It's about a a mouse doing stand up comedy. Yeah yeah passing name. Is your book a collection of essays. Is it yeah i'd essays. His wife is hard because every comedian neither does essays or a memoir. No one's doing out reading moby dick act like i mean like would you would you think comedian would have it and then to write a novel. You know what i'm saying like no. I don't think they should be writing novels. Yeah yeah i agree because i think it would just be like a memoir with all the names change and you'd be like this is not a not yeah you know what's difficult about book for me is is that it feels like it's an emotional to where it's going to be on there forever where stand up you set it like on t._v. Like whatever that's why wasn't two thousand twelve yeah right. I know and oh yeah. I have a chapter about bad blow jobs but i'm also dedicating the book to my kids. My name reviewers are gonna be like contains multitudes. The what scares you in life. Everything are you yes. I'm i'm anxious birds. It's in and everything makes i wake up with dread dread about the state of affairs administration what you're are going to wear john different gay different trade got it how was dating for you is done big boss you. It's denver now. I just moved in with with my boyfriend so you know until that ends. Can i ask the question. Did you have to mix stuff like like you know sofas and who's sofa went and sally added the furniture from grandparents and i think that like his grandfather built this cabin niche so i was like well. That's that's going to trump my key. Mix awesome matt yeah yeah. What's the hardest thing about living with someone that you don't even think would be difficult. I think sometimes james you are having a conversation and then you're like oh. No we're fighting. How did you're like. I think really man. Have you slam doors yet. I i am nicely indoors but i have aggressively plump the pillow right in the middle when my husband and i first moved in with each other a loft in downtown l._a. And there was no doors we just had like a big curtain white cells. I'm not talking to you but then it would be open. I just want to leave and then you're like what time is it can't dantley. What is your advice for. People who are moving in with their boyfriends <music>. I think is probably a magnitude but you gotta make space for your staff but also each other uh-huh and in closing. What do you want to do for yourself. The most adult you want to do for yourself this year. Yes probably actually. He tells them mad at them. Yes yeah yeah and then. I think if you you ever told me that you were mad at me i would feel like shit why it'd be like you're disappointed like i let you down yet but i feel like what what happens. In new york is as you are mad at someone and then six other things happen as you're going about the city that deserve legitimate madness and then those all conglomerate into this like super charged energy just anger ball and then you're afraid of taking that back to the original perp fair enough aw yes adulting is supported by better help offering licensed professional counselors who specialize in issues such as depression stress and anxiety and who give counsel through text chat that phone and video sessions can start in under twenty four hours because sometimes you just have to talk it out best of all adulting listeners get ten percent off their first month with discount don't code adulting so why not get started today go to better help dot com slash adulting fill out a questionnaire to help them assess your needs and get matched with the counselor better help dot com slash adulting <music> audience asked us some adulting questions which are on these pieces of paper and we're going to answer them right about now. How do you navigate corporate spaces that uphold racist systems while maintaining your convictions and paying your fucking bills how oh you've come to this show. God deray mckesson is here okay. I would say that the little pony as far as you can learn as much as you can from that corporation but obviously every job you have is not a life sentence. You don't have to prove anything. Make your own make your own culture. Yours set the tone. That's what that's what was done in the office. You're in you can either make your own dreams or someone will pay to make there's okay. I'm dropping the mike now. That's what i got a spiritual gold at the end of that rainbow. I have my c._d. Today i'm ready to go all right okay. When is it it too old to drink long island's this range of questions. I i mean i i fucking disgusting so that's very polarizing people really into wait who's into like song islands. This lady race were fucking hands witness testifying yeah yeah yeah. I you know what i love margaritas. I love cadillac margarita but when i turn like thirty something i felt like i had a fire hire between my tits heartburn everybody would be like okay and i'll just be like holding to titties like oh no like i was looking for the answer sir and so like i was too old. I am never prepared to go back to work on monday. What are some good excuses the break in brooklyn apartment ah all the breaking. It's an excuse not to go to work yes if she wants to go to work. Oh you're period. I guess style. Yes our next guest very excited very excited. She's a trailblazer yes in her own right. She's august twenty nine thousand playmate in playboy and she's the first trans asian woman to do so it gets their first of all congratulations. It's amazing yeah excuse to buy playboy by playboy. Y'all yeah yeah you like the obama playboy wait. I'm doing it all. I think we were having conversation because when when jordan asked me to do this. I was just speaking at the u._n. Win and then also bringing playboy at the u._n. So i was like maybe maybe i could be the playmate diplomat of sorts yeah so so many any follow up questions. What was it like for you as a child. How did you know did you have a dream. We just like like what what what i remember wearing in a lot of like t shirts on my head or blanket and i would wear it on my hair and i would feel like though it's my hair and i think my mom finally asked me why d- always as a mom. This is my hair. I'm a girl so i came out to my hair to my mom's <hes> as you say my mom was i think because i grew up in the philippines where we actually have a culture of trans beauty pageant on t._v. We're just like philippines is a very conservative catholic country right <hes> thank spain. Thank you colonial lanes colonization the only country in the world where you can't get divorce. Why however you you go on sunday right you go to church at twelve pm and at one p._m. You go home and you watch. The trends. Beauty pageant a national television with the whole family that kind. That's how i grew up so it's a walking contradiction fifteen. I was watching one of those pageant in the philippines nsen i this trans woman named tiger lily. Yes that's a good name yeah. She saw something in me floating around and she asked asked me if i should join a pageant and at fifteen years old what do you do of course join at transparent right and that night my badge i want second runner-up <music> and best in long gown and i couldn't stop after that. How did your mom. How did your mom react to the news. My i mean even though there's no word trans <unk> beans i mean i just knew like i'm a girl and i would just tell i'ma magro love man i mean we would still have arguments right now about religion and everything and the whole thing and i would always ask my sisters and my mom like why did you guys like accepted me and love me and it's like well you know when you're young every time we would take away your barbie from you would cry so loud and we would be interrupted watching telenovelas so what is dating like for you. I'm and i'm so lucky i've been with my partner for ten years. Yeah celebrated you know did amazing mushroom mushroom for ten years and had a great time cloud for seven hours. I was crying and there was colorful and it was crying caller full for six hours so this is also a part of your talk. You have to making people watch why don't you he goes writing this down but that you passed you passed for a says women for a while right so what was it like when at that time was a lot of anxiety <music> so i moved to new york city in two thousand five to start modeling but this is two thousand five very different yes time so i made the decision to not share my model agent that i'm trans and yes i recognize the privilege to pass but you could just imagine that every time i would go to a casting costing to an addition. I would always feel paranoid that somebody might say something. I think it got to the point for me that i remember doing a lip gloss oss commercial for cosmetic company and it was so big right. It's an as a model. That should have been like oh. I made it i did it. I remember when that commercial came out. I was so afraid that home paranoid that like oh the next day. There's going to be paid six news about jeanette right. I had eggs him for a year like the doctor even thought that i had scabies and i just had a breakdown. I just think to on this you know and honored x._m. Ah that i wanted to come out and tell my story and a tedtalk so that's how you came. That's how it came out. Eczema was so much on my body. <hes> you know even just see say i wanna be a model and and actually be a model is it's. It's crazy. It's amazing. You are a fucking unicorn. Yes i am herself slant. But what do you wanna go on producing so there's so many by i was telling earlier league if i ain't bitching i._m. Pitching so and i mean there's so many ideas i grew up in the small little alley in the philippines and here i am with y'all talking about this yeah and like i'm one lucky bitch so so i wake up so full of gratitude to just do grad served that expensive in kill adulting <unk> supported by better help offering licensed professional counselors who specialize in issues such as depression oppressions stress and anxiety and who give counsel through text chat phone and video sessions can start in under twenty four hours because sometimes you just have to talk it out the best of all adulting listeners get ten percent off their first month with discount code adulting so why not get started today go to better help dot com slash adulting fill out a questionnaire to help them assess your needs and get matched with the counselor better help dot com slash adulting adulting is supported spiritually and financially helixsleep helix uses a two minute sleep quiz to find the best mattress for you based on your unique body type and sleep references helix was awarded the number one best overall <music> mattress in a box of two thousand nineteen by g. Q. and wired magazine's shipping is completely free and you can try out your mattress for one hundred nights risk-free what take their two minute sleep quiz to find your helix mattress at helixsleep dot com slash adulting aw i love the show because it goes places it might be like the next is a bomb as bitch. I love her so much. If you don't know her you will oh you must know her. She got a very fucking. Don't podcast blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I am not personal. Always do is a magnet for anything you know. I feel like you really know how to engage with people online. Ooh yeah i do know how to do that. I might be a little bit too good at that. You know me and my therapist think think. I should probably do that less but i i am really good at that. You write fear that people like mad at you. Wanna come for you kasparov with you in person. Oh no no no of course not. I thought she was going to say on the internet would like yes girl. That is the internet but no nobody ever had the energy in real life. People are just like honestly. They get kind of emotional. I've had a few people cry. It's like all these sad stories and i'm like okay. Thank you your tears. I still making me uncomfortable but i appreciate you so much other and i'm a crier. No i am neither of those yeah. We do not do that like i heard you know people i know but i'm not gonna hug no stranger. No i used to hug everybody when we did meet ingred at our show and after every show i got sick and when i stopped hugging people and i stopped sharing blunts i stopped getting. I do not share blood. I will row you one yeah. I'm jenner. I bring my whole we bag with me. When i go places i will roll a joint for everybody. The else is really nice to me. I wish i could do high. Well now. I don't. I'm a drinker okay well. You know i'm pretty good too but when you guys get high what happens when i actually slows way. It's it's my ritalin. I'm able to focus. It's like i get high and then i'm able to go out into the world. Get things done. I multi task. I know a lot of people have the exact opposite effect for me. It really is like medicinal. I get pretty bad ass when i get my honey. I think it's stabbed. Get up to the devils business. You know what i'm saying. Be fucking. Uh do you smoke on the reds like every every morning or what would you like to smoke but i do consume marijuana and some foreign of another another pretty much every day. We haven't seen each other in about two years. You seem so chill yeah right now do you still i mean you're so what were drinking a lot when you get smashed yeah because we were working at m._t._v. at eleven thirty pm on now friday night yeah so it was like of course we're going to get drunk so we can do this. Fuck and show you know he was charlemagne. The gods my job is i it's to be the person with some common sense on the show literally when they hired me. They were like we need someone to combat the dumb shit that charlemagne mountains like do that for you back yeah yeah y'all went hard and like back and forth and i'd be like i say something. Now you know what your family is. Your family really good at arguing and unlike opinions and sharp sign. I was raised to be able to debate my point to the bitter end. Ooh also not get into debates arguments unless i was one hundred percent certain that i was correct so thank you see another the one who gets me so when i do bother argue with charlemagne for money on tv i know for certain whatever dumb shit he just said incorrect yeah and i can outsmart him on this out logic you on this at the bearman. I don't argue even low yeah relationships. I'm always right. It's very frustrating for the people i date because because i am literally like i am very self aware. If i fuck up i know it. You don't have to like beg for an apology to me because i feel so guilty as soon as i realized i was wrong but i'm like following all over myself to apologize but that's so rare. I'm really almost always right so you know they just kind of have to see if you are not good at being again like damn baby right. It's not gonna work between were you. I mean how did you grow up. Did you were your parents. Lawyers are the dates debaters what was going on. That's interesting because my father he actually double majored in chemistry and physics and then went to law school so like like you do every you know every way so you can be a nerd and then my mother got a master's degree in speech pathology right so it was like words and arguing arguing and logic and like very much that type of household. Where did you grow up in oklahoma tulsa oklahoma no girl i would have never done that. I will never do that to my children but yeah. Did you have a tornado hideout girl. Listen tornadoes are fun. Actually i grew up in texas. I know yes tornadoes tornadoes. I saw destructive and they are they only hit in the weather like ribald. Tornado is usually like very chill and very nice. We're like outside. People people are taking big smith tornado coming clubs. You can smell you can feel the change in <unk> air pressure. Everybody in oklahoma has degree meteorology. You had to because the weather. There is fucking insane. I'm just gonna shift okay. I'm just going to shift yeah so many people especially comedians and actors that i know they're they're happiness. Lives is in the amount of likes they have and all the sweet comments they get you. How is that. Is it like for you and it's not how do you differentiate like marie well. I learned that from beyond say actually like i learned so many things be like beyond say and separate in your private real life from whatever the fuck bullshit davis money even like fucking put like a caption. She's just like i mean i wish she doesn't even do interviews anymore which is not even talk to us all right answer a question. What's the question all right. How soon soon is too soon to think. Someone is the one oh my god. I would say like like three or four dates dates. I mean to commit to be like i'm going to marry this person. I would say anything sooner than six months is too so you can have the feeling that it's like this. This is the book and i was like i wanna talk to him and that's amazing. Oh i mean you have to you have to justice who you are as as an individual human being like for me. If i still wanna talk to you at all past meeting you then we have something going made a magical connection because i am. I'm attracted to like almost no one next question. How do you tell your boss there. Racists wow this kellyanne conway wrote that i think he flipped over the desk and you're like your fucking racist in your boss at their racist. Yes i've had a reason to but. Have i done it. No there was one time i was at a like a big lunch with all these members of our board and i'm the only woman and i'm the only person who is not why so as automatically uncomfortable this is oklahoma. I'm working for an oil and gas company so these men are all very rich b._p. No thank you girl and this was right. After president obama was elected so i'm flying high in the office and like when eaten and we've done all the business or whatever and they're they're just having casual conversation and i hear one of them say. What are we going to do about this boy that they've put in the white house and i said oh fuck. I have a decision to make right now like i can either do. I feel i should do yeah where i can and keep my job and i chose. Keep my job but i just i would. I would like if you're worried about your job. I would do at the h._r. Way and be like excuse me no listen to me that you can trust c._n._n. H._r. wayward. We're just like those were some really racially charged statements. There were some real racial overtones come so close to saying racist but it goes like they like just fucking fucking say it and they just won't say that's what you say to h._r. And then you quit well i went to h._r. About this h._r. Lady was very well aware of this but within the laws of the state there was only so much she could do which not into firing hidden so what i did did was starting anytime we had a meeting and they would go into executive session where they would kick me out and be racist. I would turn on the voice memos on my iphone and just leave it in my purse. When i saw that i was like tiffany gets it you know i was recording all their fucked up racist conversations and i ended up sending all that into the states ethics <music> the it was fun fun just plain old size twelve five. Oh my gosh. Let's see aparna arna. 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Engine Trouble Plus Vomit

Come Fly With Me

15:47 min | 2 years ago

Engine Trouble Plus Vomit

"The whole family would still be sitting in the car is the tow truck raised it all four of us. Slowly, tilting back is the front end rose our faces looking toward heaven. My parents, no doubt grain for deliverance. From yet. Another inevitable vacation disaster. Gun flying slow. Paradise and make it snappy. Passengers we need another volunteer. Hello and welcome to come fly with me and other travel mischief. I'm John lamb eighties. And these are my personal travel stories of adventure, mayhem foolishness and swinging through the jungle of life. Scotch coolers PF flyers plastic fishing rods, and brownie cameras, this can mean only one thing mid-century family vacation where you there or would you like a peak come on? Let's take a drive back in time. That is until the car breaks down. Engine trouble. Plus vomit. Family vacations and car trouble. Does that bring up anything for you? When I was growing up. Sometimes the trouble was mechanical sometimes, it was intestinal. We take off replaces with names like fort, Ticonderoga or blue sky lodge. Sometimes we got there. But invariably the vacation ended on the belt Parkway in Brooklyn, the car weasing with flooded carburetor. Use the word invariably. What we're would you use it at all? Breakdown that much just the fact that you remember those couple of occasions. Those were the only occasions it's the only time they broke down. That's my mom primaries tend to differ a bit for mine perhaps because she was an adult at the time. And I was just a little kid. Mrs I would be in the back seat waged in with comic books. Rounding cameras crayons, scotch coolers, Callum lotion and plastic fishing rods. Eventually tow truck would come along and hook onto our nineteen fifty five Plymouth Savoy, the whole family would still be sitting in the car is the tow truck raised it all four of us. Slowly, tilting back is the front end rose our faces looking toward heaven. My parents, no doubt praying for deliverance. From yet. Another inevitable vacation disaster in the car and the tow truck pulled us. Remember that one? And then we'd be towed wobbling along the Parkway suspended from a single cable and hook if two hours of this probably fifteen minutes, we'd be deposited at a Sonoko gestation for my father would confer with the residents mechanic. I would usually wine or cry this being my right as the youngest my mother would figure out a way to entertain us and find ice cream to stuff into our faces. And that was a typical day on our family vacation, not bad. For the above mentioned, fifty five Plymouth, the family cruise New York's congested parkways in forty nine to Soto is anyone even remembered the Dakota who's named for the Spanish explorer Hernando disorder, the first European expedition through Florida and Georgia. This was all done on foot and horseback because I ninety five wasn't built for several more years. Soda was maroon and immense. A think we got it used for my great aunt be enough room between the rare in front seats for a four year old to walk around and explore seatbelts were exclusive to airplanes in those days. Roam around back there rib onto all the Bilton straps and hang upside down. It was a traveling monkey bar nursery. But the big car had a tendency to break down we were up really mobile. So with the addition of the new Plymouth Savoie who became a two car family. I remember when my father, I drove the Plymouth onto the driveway. I thought it was beautiful looking back. It was sort of a sickly salmon color, hundreds of peach. It was called my father had gotten some sort of deal in the Bronx. Probably no one else wanted it. In the suburbs. Many of our earliest memories are family car memories, traveling with parents curled up in sleeping on the front seat. Mid-century cars offered all kinds of fascinations for small children card deck boards back. Then were Detroit's idea of Iraqi chips control panel, a salute to our nation's budding space program, Johnny out just inches from our little faces were any number of pointed widgets. What today would be a soft flat radio. Dial back then was a lethal steel portrait's designed to catch you up this gauntlet of sharpen buttons and knobs would serve as the Charles. I final point of impact. Should we suddenly the accelerate? As is often, the case designers and marketers the final say over human lives engineers, doctors parents not so much, but really who's paying attention or even cared. If it looked like you're about to plow to that. Big Pontiac, your mom with her free arm across your little chest to save you then boring. Ralph Nader had to come along and ruin everything something about safety. Years later when we got a brand new rambler station, wagon other great aunt seal remarked when asked to use her seatbelt. Why should I put on a seat belt? I'm not in an airplane, which pretty much summed up. Most people's attitude about seat belts and safety at the time. Early episodes of family travel frustration and angst. I remember first hearing words that I would later bandy about in my teens. No, not those words, although I suppose I did the receiver linguistic primer in that department. I'm talking about words like butterfly valve and abor lock and terms like crank it up and jump start. Those were mid-century high-tech words, I would later use to impress dates is if the even cared what April ach was or perhaps they thought it was a new way to kiss. There were many mysteries under those maroon and later Punto Rosa, peach hoods, it was a fascinating place on. My father's seem to understand. This was his territory, but he'd let me stick my nose into that mechanical dungeon filled with thick black wires and hoses. I would help handing him a red insure screwdriver before losing interest in skipping off to do something more fun. I was about six or seven and we were on our way to lake Champlain. Or was it like George in upstaged New York after what seemed like days packing? A few false starts. Did you turn off the nuclear reactor? No. I thought you did we were finally motoring along some Parkway or other my head was buried in a classics illustrated comic book mom approved when faintly heard some commotion coming from up front. There were words frantic shifted gears. And now we run the side of the road again. I didn't want to jump to conclusions. But it seemed to my young mind the Plymouth had failed us. Yep. It was down stalled creepy quiet was the Plymouth will. We will always had trouble with the carburetor the dampness affected the carburetor. And I did the close spin trick. Somebody showed me how you put the close in the rated to hold it open. In fact, could happen once on road going into to queens, and it was an intersection with a number of roads coming in. And there I am in the middle of this row with 'cause all around and a cop came along and says, can I help you? And I said, I know exactly what to do. And he watched me is take at this closed. Put it carburetor. Holds a little wings open and everything is fine. And he was amaze. So there we were stalled in the Plymouth on the side of the road. But this time close pin trick didn't work. Is advocation ruined. No can oddly affirmative chorus from the cockpit. We had a backup vehicle the disorder. Oh. And so the next day we sit out again this time in the big maroon to Soto I stretched out in the pack as we cruise the Long Island expressway, the Brooklyn queens expressway and the cross Bronx expressway until we came to the crown jewel of New York. New Jersey port authority, the George Washington Bridge. The GW is a magnificent structure connecting the Bronx to the Palisades New Jersey. You may remember it from the godfather when Michael crow Leone took a ride to meet crime boss still also in a crooked. Police chief there Cadillac suddenly executed an impossible you term cross four lanes of bridge traffic, if you recall Michael crow, Leone had a date with destiny of that day. So did we? The funny thing was decided was almost as old as the Salah so family Cadillac. So it wasn't about to do any thrill maneuvers on this bridge. Now today would just go suddenly silent rolling along to a sad slow. Stop. No shoulder to pull onto so we sat there in lane. Number two. The traffic backed up in Floyd around us like a mechanical river, and we were the rock in the river slowing. Everyone's progress stood on the seat looked around at all the cars. There was my father outside raising the engine hood. The traffic was getting sick people were honking and yelling as if that would fix anything years later. This would be the site of another infamous traffic jam on the George Washington Bridge before there was bridge gate. There was vacation gate. And now, I knew in my little heart vacation was indeed irretrievably ruined. Remember, nothing at all. I really don't. I don't recall that in sit. Well, I'm ninety four. I don't remember. Okay. Later that hot summer, the Plymouth seven was again up and running. The problem had been the carburetor was at the distributor who still drop of -cation time left school would starting a week by parents decided to take one last stab at a getaway. Rebekah down the driveway to kill site avenue to the Parkway. And amazingly we reached orbital velocity that was the term Air New space agency used to describe the speed needed to escape earth's. Gravitational PLO was only after reaching orbital velocity that the mercury space capsules successfully circle the planet in the same manner. We had finally skipped the gravitational pull of the greater New York area. We transited Westchester Putnam and Dutchess counties. We achieved interstellar velocity in the fifty five. Seventy we were doing a fly by s the Catskills. After having had a hearty breakfast of frosted flakes, blueberries that porting trajectory was taking us toward blue sky lodge. This place was a family camp with cabins a communal, dining room and activities for mom dad, and the kids I remember lots of ninety pine everywhere. At list, we were enjoying your family vacation, the Plymouth was humming along my parents were in a good mood my sister. And I were in fighting was well in America. But but I was getting a funny. Feeling stomach wasn't sure what was going on. So I told my mom do you have to throw up? Should we stop the car? No. I just remember so many times was stuck on the side of the road. Something always went wrong. No, not again. I would be okay. So I breathe a focused as much as six year old can focus, but my stomach was taken over by aliens look at the horses. My mother pointed to the animals along the roadside in vain attempt to distract me. See the pretty horses. I let loose a fury of the blues to blueberry breakfast, vomit, spring, the G carseats he threw up. My sister helpfully offered. And he did I said. Yep. Janis your web all over the place. Now, we did pull off to the inevitable side of the road. And we had towels handing up everything. My poor mom this was Bakke shin for her. I don't think she ever got that. Right. Blueberry stains that of those salmon-colored excuse me, Punto Rosa, peach carseats, but she did her best as moms always do to white me down and cheer me up. She put a beach towel on the damn seat. And sat with me. With the windows wide open. We did eventually arrive at blue sky Lij the car performed flawlessly. We had our family vacation. I went to arts and crannies made an ashtray from my parents parliaments, the the Plymouth Savoy took us home to earth lucid perfect re entry clear back to Nassau County. Right on time and target. It was all as their space agency used to say a, okay. Kids do that. You know, you will forgive him. A big mid-century. Thanks to musicians. Lee mad furred DeAnne key Nichols chanter. Early trio John Paul Keith and the one four fives and holy coast. Big one from the heart to mom for always cleaning up. My. For getting the cars running and all of you for joining our family vacation. This is come fly with me and other travel mischief. Check out all episodes that come fly dot net. Our Nixon venture involves a helicopter first lady and guest pump. I can say no more. I'm joined Lambis forever. Committed to keeping my breakfast down and looking forward to traveling with you soon.

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S5E7: Susannah Drake

The Design of Business - The Business of Design

28:13 min | 2 years ago

S5E7: Susannah Drake

"Welcome to the design of business the business of design where we introduce you to people from all over the world from different industries and disciplines. We heard talk about the transformative role design plays their business, Jessica health, and I'm Michael Beirut were speaking to you from the school of management design of business the business of design brought to you by Facebook from designing Facebook's, most popular products hardware utilities, tools, for self expression, community standards. Marketplace's AR VR and more. Facebook design helps give people the power to build community and bring the world closer together. To learn more. Visit Facebook dot design that's Facebook dot design on today's episode designing for changing planet. You know? I grew up in a place that was, you know, there were plenty of conservative people and plenty of liberal people. But I would say we'd come together on how unwise it was to build your house in. Flood plain Suzanne and Drake is the founder of deland studio, a landscape architecture and urban design firm has worked on bourbon infrastructure and public spaces in New York City and around the country. Susannah, welcome to the podcast. Thank you for having me. Susanna where did you grow up and your memories of that place influence the way you work? Now, I actually grew up in Norwich Vermont, and I would say that spending a lot of time out in nature had a huge influence on my future career where did you like to spend your time? Well, I'm the fourth girl in the family the youngest. So I just spent a lot of time out in nature by myself. So I would explore the forests and the play in the streams and damn the the little waterways that were around my house and learned a lot about hydraulics. I would say. Through that process. And and I also spent a lot of time horseback riding with my sisters through the landscape as well. So I started to understand for some of the patterns that existed and how they would change across the seasons. And also crossed the decades when you went to undergraduate school, you went to Dartmouth I did and was it by then a foregone conclusion to you that you would end up in some creative part of the world. Well, not necessarily. I I wasn't initially planning to study art or architecture or our history, but I did have one class with John Collier, who is an engineering professor and Peter Roby who was a an industrial designer, and they came together, and they taught this class called design thinking, and I would say that was one of the first times that I recognized that everything that people make is designed and did you go straight from Dartmouth? Integrates core. Did you work? I I actually worked. I I worked for a company that made three dimensional displays for trade shows that was my first job, but it really wasn't the right fit. And so after saying there for very brief period of time. I moved back home and ended up getting a job with an architect. And that really seemed like the right profession for me knew we were constantly solving unique problems. It was really super interesting. The problems ranged in scale from the design of a neighborhood down to the design of of say a doorway. And I thought that was something that could keep me excited as a career and actually that in that same job an issue of progressive architecture came to the office, and it was all about landscape architecture, and I thought well, that's amazing. You know, that's what I wanna do as a landscape architect I can create landscapes. And I started to understand that again the. Gapes around us are not they're created somebody's doesn't mind. Exactly. And so I also noticed in this article that a lot of the landscape architects were in San Francisco, so I basically picked up and moved and I didn't have job, and I didn't have a place to live, and I slept on somebody's couch, and San Francisco and San Francisco, and I took a class at Berkeley in landscape architecture design and applied to grad school, and I really didn't think I'd get in. But but then I got in. So I decided to do both architecture and landscape architecture at at the Harvard graduate school design you shuttle between those two departments actively. I mean, what's how would you describe the difference between the two them? I suspect some of our listeners might not now think they are. We know the easy answer is scale, you know, because landscapes tend to be you're working at a much broader scale. But I think that the the sort of more nuanced answer has to do with both. Tolerances and the dynamic nature of the landscape. And when I think about tolerances when you're designing an architectural project, you have to design to a much sort of tighter degree of dimensional, accuracy, but precision, and you can and you can expect someone to make that and have that last in the landscape, you have to anticipate that nature is going to change your landscape. So you have to think about freezing and thawing you have to think about how water is moving through the landscape. You have to think about how a tree that you plant now is going to be kind of this digital for a while. And then going to grow into something that's going to provide a great amenity. So in landscape, you're really seating future. And you have to have a lot of faith, and you have to have a lot of vision about what that landscape will become. Come. And then you also have to serve set up the systems for that landscape to mature when you founded de land studio your own place. Did you know what kind of work you wanted to do? Well, I always knew I wanted to do campus, design and larger scale infrastructure work. Those were survey areas that really interested me and one of the things I recognized when I started my practice was that a lot of those systems occupied an amount of space that could be re purposed to have more value. So for instance, when the elevator was invented it released all the the value of being able to stack habitable floors higher. And we didn't have that attitude. I think until fairly recently about infrastructure. So you'd have a highway that was just a highway, and you know, and. Some cases it might have parking underneath the highway. But it wouldn't also have say a park over it or other kinds of trails or public spaces. So what I'm trying to do is release some of that value or make value and thing about how the infrastructural elements can operate in multiple ways. Exactly exactly we did a project. I was the urban design fellow for the design trust for public space. And we did a study called under the elevated the L space book, and what we did was analyzed the seven hundred miles almost seven hundred miles of elevated spaces in New York City, and we looked at things like when they were going to be up Seles int- their relationship to other open spaces of the the sort of potential needs in different areas of the city and tried to come up with some prototypical interventions that could add. Value to those neighborhoods sort of listen to you talk here. Kind of like a impassioned advocacy on behalf of discovering new ways of using space. Do you ever find that your own advocacy gets in the way of your clients, you know, because you're talking about these Jason sees that have to do with the built environment in a place, like New York, where there's already such an entrenched political infrastructure infrastructure. Right. So how do you how do you go about sort of approaching that? Well, I have a lot of different types of answers for that question. I guess when I started my practice. I wanted to demonstrate that there was potential of these ideas beyond doing real projects. And I did a study of the Brooklyn queens expressway, and the potential for capping it in Carroll gardens and cobble hill and that ended up leading to another more real project in Luke. Soroush which is south side Williamsburg, which was a much more feasible project. So the the visionary project that would have been the billion dollar project led to a project that was quite doable for a community that really needed new open space. Can you explain what capping it means? Of course, right now, the the BQ e is trenched in southside, Williamsburg, and sort of. City. It's not covered. Exactly. And they're bridges that go across to connect, the neighborhoods or neighborhoods on either side, and there are playgrounds actually on either side of the BQ in that neighborhood as well playgrounds on one side, and there's a seating area on the other. But it's not a very nice environment for your kids because they're breathing off the exhaust. That's coming off of the highway and the highway also creates these territorial boundaries between different gangs in that neighborhood. So these bridges are at the end of their lifespan. We've we did some research on the obsolescence of this infrastructure and discovered that there about sixty years old now, and you really want to replace them every fifty years, and so we thought well while you're doing that replacement. Why not fill in in between the bridges or cap and put in a baseball field like put in amenity. As for the community to get the kids out, you know, doing something active exercising and not fighting each other. Would you say that the things you do in what I'd call unique urban environment, like New York City have ramifications. That could be applied more broadly to other urban areas around the country even around the world, I do because you know, they're all he's I would say pieces of the American fabric many of which developed in the postwar period, but I would say most of which developed in the industrial era that are either at the end of their lifespan or are are needing to be adapted based on our current climate conditions and our current sociological conditions, right? We're we're designing for people. We're also designing for habitat to try to make the overall environment healthier. So my goal is to. To enhance this overall ecosystem again, I'm using that as a broad term in order to make cities just function better. I wonder if we could jump into a real project as you talk about these arteries and this infrastructure the specific project, I'm thinking of is the go on sponge part. And I wonder if you could tell us about it, maybe take through your design process. Sure. So the Guana canal conservancy, I met them just through some other community work, and we decided to go after a nigga grant, your console counseling arts grand together that could fund some initial planning work to try to make the area absorb water better manage some of the surface water problems, the flooding and clean the overall environment. And can you describe what if I want to go on us? What what does it look like? Okay. So that go on hysteria was a swamp, historically, so. Oh, I think early on the, you know, the Dutch manage the water and turn it into agricultural fields. You know, ultimately, it became an industrial landscape. It's very polluted. It's both a an EPA super fund and also a a state registered brownfield. So that means that how you operate. There is very tricky a lot of the industry has gone away. But at least when I started working there about a decade ago. There was an idea that that people wanted to maintain the industry they wanted to have a place where you could make concrete. They wanted to have a place where you could do small scale manufacturing where you could make art even but there has been some rezoning and a lot of high end residential development department buildings very fancy apartment buildings right on the canal kinda in harm's way in my perspective from you know, a sea-level rise issue. So it's industrial landscape. It was kind of degraded land. Scape? And so our job was to make it a better public amenity. Make it safer for the people that lived around it. But also make it a more sort of engaging urban site. Do that's draining the swamp. This is the good. So how do you start with something like that? How is that? How do you think of that as his honour? Well, I didn't wanna go into these neighborhoods some of which were old and pretty conservative and say, well, I wanna put wetlands in your backyard people just weren't gonna buy that. So I thought I need you MS them, and we came up with the idea of calling it the sponge park, and that was a really important branding for it. And the strategy was really intended to be something that could be implemented by a lot of different designers over the years and also would have flexibility to appeal to a lot of different users because the Guana is about one point eight miles long. And so you do have a lot of different constituencies along the way. So when you have that many moving parts, you have that many different constituent players people who are invested for different reasons, and you add to that the element of time, which is some. Thing that I think the landscape architect part of Hugh speaks to quite eloquently when you have that many moving parts, how do you as the kind of agent of direction? How do you determine designed through line or a vision that you know, what hold? Well, I think a lot of it has to do with performance, man. Do a lot of public work, and it's really hard to control will alternately get built. And so I think what you're trying to do is think about an eventual manifestation that fulfils like a certain set of criteria. So, you know, in the case of the sponge park that might have to do with absorbing a certain amount of water, which is a regulatory, I d ah. And in fact, you know, we designed the landscapes to absorb the one point two inch storm, which is the state regulation for what a bios wail should absorb ninety bios. Well, yeah. Okay. Great band name. Okay. Bios? Well, basically bios is like a an absorbent landscape. It takes the water that's running down the street and channels that into a little garden. Hopefully, if you've designed it right, the plantings will absorb the water and filter it so that any water that is released if any waters released it'll be cleaner, and then that keeps that water out of the sewer system. The design of business. The business of design is brought to you by Facebook design from designing Facebook's, most popular products to hardware and utilities, tools for self expression, community standards. Marketplace's a are the are at more Facebook design helps give people the power to build community and ring the world closer together. To learn more. Visit Facebook dot designing that's Facebook dot design. I'm curious given the complexity of your professional engagements with so many different people, whether you could speak for a moment too. How you educate yourself in terms of how to talk to these different government agencies. I don't think at least when I was the generation. I don't think that when I was in design school. We were taught to learn how to make those kinds of relationships work. Well, I think it speaks to the importance of graphic design because I walked you right into that. Didn't you? It wasn't going. But it's true. Because there was this diagram that we made for the sponge park process. So just to step back any waterfront project that you do in New York City has about two hundred different permits from all sorts of different agencies and their city agencies state agencies their federal agencies in the case of the guano because it's a Superfund site. It's so complicated. And that's not even getting into, you know, different community groups that that are, you know, associated with with a neighborhood and with a project, so we've made this diagram that actually showed who was in charge of each different piece of the landscape, and it was a three dimensional projection. It was an Exxon a metric drawing, and so it showed that, you know, the shade over the water was regulated by the department of environmental conservation estate agency. But that that land. Was actually owned by the department of transportation, and that anything that's green is really the responsibility of the parks department to maintain. But the water that's flowing into those green spaces belongs to the department of environmental protection. Right. And then there were these sediments that were underneath the the canal that were highly toxic that became the let's say the property or the problem of the EPA Superfund administrators and then the Gomez has actually a navigable waterway. So that means that it's in the jurisdiction of the army corps of engineers. Right. So, but the thing that's great is if you map this map this on this one little drawing, it it actually curtailed a lot of people passing the buck because we knew who owned everything story. The idea that this visual evidence was able to become the connective tissue that provided clay. Parity for all of these different constituent groups is really what's interesting designer. And I think you come up against this at hyper scale, but it any project you have different people who claim to be quote, unquote, stakeholders and one of the most difficult things to do is figuring out. Exactly what stake? They're holding right to their advantage quite clear about that. Maneuver and more room to evade delay. Or do all these things once you actually say, what are you hearing? What are you responsible for, you know, everyone kind of shows their hand, and you sort of can really move forward from there collaborate more productively, and certainly, you know, where questions should go. You know, what two people have to be brought together at the same time in order to reach a decision about a single place. Exactly. And we couldn't have done the project without really key people at the parks department at the department environmental protection at the DOT. I had some really enlightened supporters for every enlightened person you find an ratchet up to be helpful in your advocacy for a better planet. Do you come across people who are the naysayers and who don't believe in climate change, and for whom you have to push back. Yes. All the time all the time. I think at the end of the day, though, people are particularly citizens, you know, they have their own interests in. And if you're proposing something that intrudes on something they hold dear. They'll resist them. I'm getting I think we're getting it an interesting question, which is how do you are you optimistic about the fact that the the there's a way to kind of make this whole move forward. I am. And I think the answer may come from the engagement of communities in smaller scale projects that are replicable. And when they are repeated hundreds or thousands of times, they can have a larger impact. So it's both bottom up and top down at the same time. And my feeling is that if we can figure out strategies for how communities can operate in landscapes across the country that maybe are somewhat divorced from the labels of climate change, even though. That's what it is or but people are impacted and don't want to be in harm's way. You know, I grew up in a place that was you know, there were. Plenty of conservative people and plenty of of liberal people. But I would say we'd come together on how unwise it was to build your house in a flood plain. There is a recognition that it's just not smart to build in certain places, and that we should be thinking about the functions that can exist in places that are going to be increasingly impacted by Bush to say, extreme storms. Do you think that cities and places will look really different in the future because of the way designers like you're thinking about those small interventions at all up to something bigger in the face of these changes that they should. And I think there's a combination of that kind of work and a migration away from some of the more vulnerable zones. So that the these these interventions at the in the coastal areas may may grow. So the sponge park that's the street end may start to take over, you know, a couple of housing lots as the. The water is coming up, right? And that we can start to repurpose of those landscapes for recreational use or for you know, this cleansing use or maybe for energy production or agriculture. So I think there there will be or they're ought to be a at an attitude about kind of moving away from these more vulnerable areas at the same time. I think we need to figure out the incremental process of how that's happening now. And how that transformation is going to evolve. What's it dream project that you want to do? Well. In a way, my practice has enabled me to do a lot of dream projects. Or to think about a lot of dream projects. Short of realising them. I think it's great to really say that that you dream of swamps and sewers rescuing them and restoring certain balances in the landscape and in the kind of ecosystem. Well, it's also the idea that some of our listeners may never have seen or experienced the Brooklyn queens expressway, but to most people doesn't represent. Destination destination site of promise something awaiting transformation represents, you know, a inconvenience and blight on the landscape that people have resigned themselves to. So would you say are you you're an optimist, aren't you? Well, I'm definitely an optimist. And I also in sort of seeing how a lot of these systems like the BQ e the highways have impacted neighborhoods was a graphics that show the asthma rates or the particular matter in the air again the importance of graphic design for communicating the ills of a lot of these systems that were supposed to be self. You're trista, and we're supposed to really help the city and help efficiency when you start to see their physical impacts on people or on ecology, or or even you know, the the places that we anticipate the are going to be in in flood zones or are in flood zones. Now, you know, we can we can see that. We have a problem used to be faced and I just fine. It really fascinating to tackle those issues and to try to come up with some I can't say solutions, but but some answers or some interventions that are going to start to make neighborhoods better. So I'm trying to intimidate or trying to figure out what the future can be with these prototypical projects. Susannah, thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you. The design of business. The business of design is a podcast from design. Observer our website is Deby the D that design ever dot com. There you can find more information about today's guests Susanna, Drake. Dozens of conversations with people about the transformative role design place in their business to listen, go to db be d that design observer dot com. If you like what you heard today. Please subscribe to this podcast. You can find the design a business the business of design in tunes, apple podcasts. Or however, you take your podcast, and if you're already subscriber to the show, oh, your friends about it or go to apple podcasts rate us as a great way to other people know about this podcast. Today's episode was recorded at the school of management as part of our course, there the design of business the business of design to learn more about the school of management, go to S M dot Yale dot e during class one of our students. Susannah, how she makes infrastructure. Interesting for people who barely noted exists try to go in and this really listen to what people want, you know, things like you wanna say place for your kids. He wanted to be clean cleaner. And you don't want your basements to get flooded. You don't want rats. He was different genders people have. So a lot of the community. Work that do some of it has to do with just listening people letting them talk. So it's very much of a listening process are thanks to everyone at the L S O M studio and media control center for ailing crews, Donnie, Bristol and Abraham Texas for Mike. Erica theme music. Julie super edited our show and at heist is our producer. Our intern is Dina carp and our executive producer his Blake Eskin of noun and verb rodeo comeback next week. We'll be talking to Todd Waterbury about designing for the masses. And what we wanted to do is create a brand align that really didn't create the trade offs that exist right now in those sort of generic offerings where you are able to afford something in a very low price. But from a design San point and aesthetic standpoint even point of efficacy. You actually have to give something up. See you them.

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The Sunday Read: 'Cher Everlasting'

The Daily

22:39 min | 3 weeks ago

The Sunday Read: 'Cher Everlasting'

"Hi i'm katie. Weaver a writer for the new york times magazine. And i recently wrote a piece about one thousand nine hundred eighty seven movie that people are really living in two thousand twenty for that piece. I got talk to a very special california lady. I like to call share. I don't actually to call her share. It feels way too familiar. Link santa claus neck but she is share and that is what she calls herself. So that's what i called her. She called me babe at one point. At least. I can't remember a time when i didn't have at least. Some awareness of who share was if you've never heard of share your lying and this movie moonstruck as good as it is really should've have been kind of a line on her very impressive resume. It came out thirty three years ago. It's not an anniversary it's a little dated in many ways but for some reason people are making a beeline for it. What the hell happened to you. I really don't know where to start. Moonstruck is a movie about a woman named loretta. Castellini played by share is different. Who lives at home in brooklyn with her parents. The movie follows a couple assist very eventful days in her otherwise extremely ordinary life. You gotta love bite on your neck coming back this morning. What's the matter with you. Your life's going down the toilet cover up that damn thinking put some makeup on healthy and i think everyone experiencing the deprivations of twenty twenty. You can find something to cling to or drawn to in this movie. If you haven't been able to see your family for a long time you get these really warm comforting scenes of loretta at home with her parents and her grandfather and seeing her aunt and uncle. If you are trapped at home with your family you get to see loretta. Leave her family behind for a glamorous night on the town if you miss shopping the rabbis new shoes they're red. They sparkle if you like me miss free bread at restaurants. There are delicious scenes of the character's going to a little neighborhood. Italian restaurant where they see other couples having arguments there and getting proposed to their which is all i want from restaurant. Experience free bread and a little bit of drama. At first glance people might be wondering why a share movie from nineteen eighty-seven seems to be having a sudden resurgence in the midst of a pandemic. But i think if and when you watch moonstruck again which you really should treat yourself to doing. They say there's nothing new under the sun it will make sense because there is just so much comforting normalcy there but under the moon story to rest your head on share nicholas cage in a norman. Jewison film strike. So here's my peace share everlasting read by pearson potter support for this podcast and the following message come from trade. You want to invest your money. But there's one problem you're not sure where to begin. Luckily there's e-trade who offers more than just trading. Each trait simplifies investing without the financial jargon. And has the people to offer guidance and support to make your money work hard for you for more information visit. Eatright dot com slash daily e-trade securities. Llc member finra sipc movies. Ordinarily vehicles to transport us out of our quotidian existence became in two thousand twenty the means to escape from our new science fiction reality. It might be the first time ever that the entertainment industry can justify the public broadcast of what is essentially a glitzy employees of the year ceremony. The academy awards. Since the spring film stars have directly affected public health. They're fine work. Gave people a reason to stay inside four collectively billions of hours staring at the tv to properly embrace their cinematic achievements however the academy should acknowledge the unknown from time. That has become a fact of life this year. They should honor not only recent releases but all the movies that sustained us if they did share would surely be a favourite to win her second oscar for her performance in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty seven's moonstruck as stay at home. Orders began creeping inward from the coasts in march people were drawn with title force to moonstruck search data from google trends. Indicate interest in the film remained unusually robust throughout two thousand twenty compared with the waxing and waning search cycles of previous years in april new york magazine's entertainment website vulture anointed moonstruck. The morbid spaghetti romcom. We all need right now. The movie trended on twitter on a fluke wednesday in june. By the time summer hit the criterion collection was working to release a digitally restored edition of moonstruck. In time for the holidays the impromptu collective return to moonstruck felt a bit like the moments of happenstance. The movie portrays so enchantingly without relying on the explicitly supernatural. It conveys a feeling of magic. Like sparks cast into winter darkness by a staticky blanket. Here is what happens over the course of the four day period depicted in the film a thirty seven year old widowed brooklyn bookkeeper. Loretta castellini played by share accepts. A proposal of marriage from her unexceptional boyfriend sees him off on a plane to italy to visit his dying. Mother is surprised to learn. He has a brother. Inadvertently causes that brother to threaten suicide in the bakery where he lost his hand makes a stake falls in love with the brother receives. A makeover goes to the opera for the first time discovers that her father is having an affair. Kicks the can calls offering engagement and accepts a new proposal of marriage all normal new york stuff for anyone who has ever lived there even those who have not are liable to be overcome with nostalgia for version of the city. They might have known the film constructs scenes of normalcy with a fetishists. Care the semi permeable privacy of table for two in a crowded restaurant the afternoon devouring nature of insignificant errands. The frequent entrances and exits of extended relations braided into among one another's days. All are drawn with fastidious accuracy while the plot unfolds. It a pleasingly bustling. That itself is another concept that evaporated as the corona virus transmogrify time into slow stretching taffy. The most realistic aspect of all is improbably share who slips into the role of loretta with such quiet efficiency. That certain a scene in which she buys eleven dollars ninety nine cents worth of champagne for instance play almost like documentary footage to appreciate the scale of the central miracle of this film. The loretta castellini t of share a person. Must if possible talk to share. Who is even more like herself than you. Imagine one afternoon in november amid abundant pillows the colors of sand at every angle of the sun. She sat long and regal in her home in malibu. Her center parted black hair water falling over each shoulder in exactly the way shares hair. Does she hit agreed to zoom about her performance in moonstruck for an amount of time under two hours. You know what guys she said magnanimously implying a group of people. I don't know two hours worth of the movie. She was warm and funny and despite being indoors neither removed nor acknowledged stupendous mirrored obscured roughly one quarter of her face. She explained how she was cajoled by the kids on twitter into personally rescuing one particular elephant from a crumbling pakistani zoo and undertaking. She described as very complicated and very expensive while being visibly thrilled to help accomplish it. She said things. Like it's a stupid story self deprecating. Laugh shrug bob geldof. And i were in cutter by the time. She made moonstruck at age. Forty share who with her partner. Sonny bono her first number one single on the billboard hot one hundred at age nineteen had been famous for half her life. She had scored a dozen top ten hits. She had starred in three per mutations of her own popular television variety show. She had come back after going and then come back again but not for the last time she had had a successful. Las vegas residency. She had starred in multiple critically acclaimed films and been feted. Can she had only one name. And everyone knew whom you meant when you said it. Her portrayal of plain jane working class woman who lives with her parents. Should have been about as distracting as rodeo drive standing in for the brooklyn queens expressway. But this is what you see when you watch moonstruck a woman who there's a passing resemblance to share but is clearly not her. The red castellini is not a wallflower. Exactly more like a dandelion. No muss no fuss no inclinations aspirations to reinvent herself as another class of bloom neither choosy about the pollinates her nor desperate to be pollinated at least until she meets nicholas cage is character not showy but not timid either share the performer in this metaphor would be something like a dancing lady. Orchid you see a woman who talks with her hands in a way entirely different from share who also talks with their hands. Loretta is hands. Grab her words by. The lapel are centimeters away from strangling them. Chairs hands run through her words. Like water you see a new yorker. The way new yorkers are in real life lice until threatened or delayed unflappable in the face of screaming strangers brisk sentimental assumed to be italian. Loretta actually is italian. Share is not. The chasm between loretta and share was the point for her dowdy was not a state of being share experienced. Outside major film productions where costumers and hair and makeup artists were hired for the unnatural task of dressing shared down in an interview published in nineteen eighty-seven in the los angeles times chair from the set of moonstruck explained that she preferred playing the head down. Grey-haired pre makeover loretta to the carefree raven trest prancing version immortalized on the film's poster. The freedom is not interesting to me. Because that's something i know. Usually she said moonstruck is special share said decades later over zoom. It's when everything is right. And i can look back. I'm actually looking outside right now. She clarified her head angled toward an unseen window. But i can look back and remember so many moments of it and it was because we were always together and we really got along really really got along. We just loved each other. I remember being in the old house where we all were. She said recollecting. The federal style brownstone on cranberry street in brooklyn heights that served as the castellini family residence. While most of the pictures interior scenes were filmed in toronto. A handful were shot on location in new york. It was loaded with not horrible. Old smells but it was. It was old. It just had that feeling of being old like in another time. Like in the nineteen hundreds turn of the century shares contemporary of expression and ramrods sedentary posture gave her the aura of a byzantine icon. As she searched for her words. She was like someone determined to do justice to a dream. You know sometimes. Old house smell is just yucky. Get me out of here. This was an old house. Smell that you thought. I could have been brought up in this house and been very happy. Although share has not seen the film in years she spoke of moonstruck as fondly as any fan or a. Few suv and encyclopedic assessments embraced. Everyone from cage. There was no one for this film but nikki to not a despot. Oh vich whose. Delivery of a handful of lines is imprinted in shares memory. I love the little girl that played chrissy. She was really good. She didn't know if feodor shop in junior who played. Her grandfather smoked a cigar but she remembered that he did she recalled the crispy cold feeling smell of the winter air. When loretta kicked the can down the street and the good warm bread smell of the bakery. Where ronnie cameraderie. His hand when people on twitter send share questions or even just abortions about the film. She often writes back in the lively idiosyncratic style that has earned her a cult following among younger generations. Who missed the offline decades of share. This is how we learned that during the scene. When loretta and ronny labrum at the metropolitan opera house there was no opera. But norman jewison the director described didn't magnificently and music slade. Also that shares boyfriend at a bagel maker from queens named robert camel. Letty whom she met at a manhattan club on her. Fortieth birthday was off camera. Watching i- emoji nikki. That would be cage at the house on cranberry street share said. The cast never felt like we were acting. She described the group passing time in an out of the way den before shooting. We would be studying our lines. But we'd be talking and whatever and she began to laugh then we would get up from where we were and go and sit down and do the same thing. Just with the lines. The emotional notes of moonstruck or operatic. But the specificity of characters their quirks come across not as quirky but as evidence of their longer and deeper lives beyond the confines of the movie satisfies a pandemic driven craving for the company of strangers. The film's screenwriter. john. Patrick shanley is do much credit here. Loretta seon say is attached to his pinky ring. A degree that is nettlesome the more so because it is not unrealistic. The gestures share makes when loretta speaks. Look uncannily like one. Someone is really making real life. I asked her who's gestures. They were robert had certain ham gestures and so did julie. So i just picked them up. Share said julie was bo- vaso the native brooklyn. I need laura's aunt rita capital mogae and also served as cast dialogue coach. Robert was her boyfriend. Like robert was trying to teach me how to say theater chair said but when he would say fiesta he'd say she made a short home up outward motion with her hand as presenting the word the edda before the film was released to the public cast did something that for the time being most people can do only in dreams congregated at a theater in new york city to watch it and we love it we just love it share said or more like sang and we're just all so happy and we don't think it's going to make very much money but we are proud. We're very proud of very very proud very proud. Mgm she recalled with colorful language was less enamoured. The studio feared the movie had no obvious audience and i thought some more technicolor language here. But i'm proud of it anyway. I don't care if no one goes to see it so they just shelve it and then a movie comes out for christmas but it just isn't good and they well share revised. I don't know if it's good or not. But it fell out of the theaters right away and the only thing they had was moonstruck the film that may or may not have been good. Was the other romantic comedy. Mgm released on december sixteenth. Nineteen eighty seven overboard starring. Goldie hawn and kurt. Russell moonstruck opened in two small theaters in manhattan and swiftly found its people before long share said it was spreading across multiplex screens. Like a forest. Fire it's unabashed. Earnestness may have acted as an accelerate loretta a native new yorker. Pops her head into ronnie's apartment to ask where's the met there is no trace of flirty rom coms sheepish. Nece in her voice only bona fide new york crabbiness. Having to go there. Moonstruck is a film that never winks at its audience. It seizes them in a firm embrace kisses him on both cheeks and forces them to sit down and eat something as a result people hold-back tightly to it whether they first encountered it in the theater as a vhs tape on hulu or on dvd coming across it is like finding a dollar on the sidewalk. Look at the performances. Share said the performances are great. There's not a weak performance in that although she said behind her shades. I never think. I'm doing a good job. When pressed cher was forced to admit that her performance in a scene. When loretta informs her father of her impending marriage plans was quite nice. She liked the distracted way. She played with the foil of a champagne bottle. The new york city. Loretta inhabits resembles in coronavirus times. Something fantastical a sprawling network of family and strangers to hug and kiss and yell at. It's a comforting place to visit however you can returning there in. Her memory. Share recounted an incident from early in the film's run when her new york overlapped with loretta. She and her boyfriend had taken a guest to see the movie in a crowded theatre. You know when. I put my foot out of the car share asked. She was referring to a shot in which the camera pans up from her delicate ankle to reveal loretta stepping out of a taxi. Cab at lincoln center this man in front of me. He went god. She's got a long skinny foot and i went. Share clutched her face luminous even after being broken down into a string of ones and zeros and reconstituted as pixels in a zoom meeting. Oh my god i do. How mean of him to say that. When i'm sitting right behind him even though he doesn't know it she still has the jewelled red heels that cradled the long skinny foot. So the witching lee onscreen the same pair she wore to kick a can in brooklyn heights on the crispy cold smelling day. They are one of the few mementos she took from the set. I didn't realize that time you were supposed to keep things. She said i would have kept more. This was recorded by autumn. Autumn is an app. You can download to listen to lots of audience stories from publishers such as the new york times the new yorker vanity fair and the atlantic experience new york times reporting with exceptional closeness in collaboration with facebook. Augmented reality journals from the new york. Times can help you explore complex topics in an interactive way. New instagram effects. Lets you visualize air. Pollution become a suffragette in honor of the one hundredth anniversary of women's right to vote and more check out our ar journalism by visiting the affects tab on the new york times instagram page.

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From VSL to Me-SL | Copywriting

The Road To A Billion

18:27 min | Last month

From VSL to Me-SL | Copywriting

"Hi you're listening to the road to a billion podcast. I'm your host stuff in georgia. Since two thousand eleven. I've sold over seven hundred million dollars worth of products for both clients my own companies. I've also founded or co founded eight different businesses that grows between seven to nine figures in revenue. Today i focus a lot of my time on teaching training a mentor in the next generation of freelancers and entrepreneurs and that's why created the road to a billion a call in radio. Show style podcast. Where i answer. People's questions on mindset business ownership scaling funnels copywriting and more. If you want to admit a question then check out the show. Learn how or visit me at stephan. Paul george dot com forward slash. Subscribe to opt into my email list. And every week you'll get a link to join the live call in show and with that being said let's go ahead and get started. Hey guys this episode stephan guest co host. Andy jeff's or joined by the queen of personal growth copy. Alex could tony. Alex is brilliant alias. Copywriter and marketing strategist who among her outstanding accomplishments wrote one of the most mind-blowing via sales ever written you'll find out everything about it in this episode. She also founded the copy posse the new school of copywriters. Here are some of the crazy valuable insights. you'll discover a very common struggle for copywriters that could be holding your career back. The thought process behind one of the most complex and successful via sales ever created the even. Call the me as l. because of how personalized experiences. I hope you enjoy so once you did go out and start your own business in. Got on your own Did you how did you did. You have a plan. Did you have clients already. Did you like your. How did you start kind of going. I didn't have any clients. I was twenty six twenty six twenty five and just full of vinegar. You know. I was like i'm the best like i feel like everyone goes through that. Very humbling experience. Starting their business like you you go up the gate like super strong and then you're like wow this is really freaking hard and and yeah i had no. I had no clients. I had savings. That was sort of the good thing about living in a a cheaper country and by the time he left. I was obviously taking more than eight hundred dollars a month. So i i manage to have a pretty good amount of savings that aside. And i i think for about six months i lived off the savings and and then i just started really putting for the road. Networking like crazy and that it was at a joe polish bent. I love marketing back in all now. Two thousand twelve. I guess That i met. Blair gorman the founder of neurologists dot com and he became my first client is still my client and so you know just goes to show that you make the right relationships in align with people that you know that you work well with it can be a really great lucrative kind of business opportunity but that. Yeah that's how i made my client. And that's how i really started getting to be able to sink my teeth into copywriting. But what's interesting is. I never wanted to call myself a copy writer. I had this like. I think it's because i learned from like the great. You know like frank kern and john carlton gary helper in all of these incredible copywriters. That when i left mine valley i was like. Oh no no no like i do copywriting. But i'm not a copywriter like it took me a long time to own that title and that's just like mad respect to copywriters. You know like. I truly think that back. Then the people that i consider to be copywriters was sort of like these these grades and so when i started working with clients. I was like a marketing consultant. And then they would be like anyone can do copy and i was like well. I can but look. I'm not that good. And it was like i never wanted to say i did it because i was afraid that i let people down but it always kinda worked favor because you know set low expectations and then come in hot. You know. but that's sort of how i got into actually calling myself. A copywriter was through practicing resists resistance to a super interesting i. It's funny because i've struggled without to. Although i think with me it's definitely an ego thing for me as well were. It's like but i can do more than that. Like i've run businesses and i can help top demise and you know but it's funny because every time owning that copywriter title is like super lucrative powerful under so many people who can benefit from learning copy so it s actually interesting for me to hear somebody else say. They've gone through the same day. Maybe for different reasons but like so. I feel that too though. Like 'cause now that i have you know built businesses done all that when people call me a copywriter. I'm like more that a governor. But but you know what i realize like. Everybody is a strategist. Everybody's like so many people use that term in. It's like that could mean anything. And what i find. Is people remember things like. Oh you are killer copywriter. And then that's what actually keeps you memorable in people's mind because you're like this frigging gangster at this one skill and yeah of course you're paying because you can't be killer copywriter if you're not a genius marketer but you know it's i totally get that it's funny all the labels in how we in how we Yet is funny too. 'cause like i'm just just out of this headache a party at her house in vegas a few weeks back and it was like just like you know informal get together. I know we'll get you. We'll get you down the south. But you know i one people came last week. Perry belcher excuse vegas and he was talking to you about how he kind of like You know I feel like. I just don't always have the motivation to write like a lot of copy right now like are these days blah as well. I'll make you know. Maybe it's not the best use of your time anymore. Anyway he was like look really seriously and he was like sick. I can't really think of anything better. Use of my time than writing copy. And i was like oh shit. Because he's like a copywriter again him all right. That's a good reminder. I mean even when someone like perry. Who's who's start all these businesses and stuff for him to just be like. Oh no copywriting is is my best my strength right. And you're like okay. You really owns it and it was kind of cool just to see that. And he's actually when. I remember thinking this one time when he was speaking at my mastermind. And he's like oh that look the sales page that i wrote any showing us sales pay shiro and i'm like that's so cool. Like if her is perry belter he's got a million businesses on the go. But that's the one thing that he still does himself. You know because it is so important and and he's good at it and he enjoys it. Obviously you know what. I mean so. Yeah it's validation that's right everyone out of poverty harry boca. She was not me. Not everyone of the pasi. But but perry and i was like damn that sucks. I know you're in vegas and vegas. I'm sure you can. You can reach out and have those opportunities andy for sure but yet alex alexander Want about walmart but another question. Just i wanted to into the neurologists. Which is you help. It was perfect because that's the way the story goes right often. Then you start working with them in any still are so i wanna kind of get into that numerous via saw you know the one i'm talking about and when i referenced it some other people were like oh the one that like everybody knows but you just briefly describe the structure of that via south for people who don't know about it and then from there. I just love to hear some of your thought process as you are creating And why you think it was so successful. i mean. I can't take full credit for it because the technology behind it is like goals right. And that's that's part of why i love working with with blair. So much is because he is like this invader in this. He's just like tech wizard. And i just pick your hand like he lives in new zealand but i just picture him out his computer like mad. Scientists like typing on the computer you know and And he came up with this idea of doing this personalized video sales letter. And so we call it the media because it's all about me the person watching the esl alan and I think the thing that's the coolest about it is and this is sort of my belief with copywriting arc in general is i'm so over. You know like the super inauthentic kind of dushi marketing tactics. That used to work ten years ago. I'm all about making copyrighting and marketing valuable in and of itself right now so if someone comes and reads a sales page or watches my video sales letter. I want them to be like. That was entertaining or that was interesting. Or at least got one nugget of value out of that. And blair's the exact same in so with this concept of the of the mia sal. The structure of it is essentially. You go to the site you enter and just your first name in your date of bir- and then you get a life path. Reading in one follows numerology. It's basically like astrology. But it's the science numbers and so on the fly. It holds a reading that is one hundred percent personalizing custom to you. Based on your life path number then after life path reading it asks for your full name and email address so after you've already given them crazy value that's when we asked for the lead and their full name because your full name is how you calculate expression in seoul urged number and then it transitions to the close which is to get your full numerology report. So what kind of insane about it. is you think. Okay when you watch it as a as a as a viewer the whole thing is maybe fifteen minutes long right but maybe twenty but all that had to go on behind the scenes like you think there is a eleven different life paths numbers eleven different solar numbers eleven different expression numbers and then having to write the transitionary copy that that puts the readings together seamlessly and then of course the close at the end which is more traditional style. Esl close but it was a really fun project to work on. But it's like. I mean my google docs with like links everywhere and figuring out okay. How are these readings all gonna flow together. And i think what the coolest thing about it to me is like not that it works well enough that people love it and not that you know. It's making money. Those are all good things but it's just the experience that people have watching it and the comments we get like who comments on video sales letter saying holy f balls. This is amazing cannot believe like how accurate this is. War and mike that what i sort of had to study to really be able to write those readings in a powerful way like i think a lot of copywriters. I'm super interested in psychology. And you know they're brown and all of this. These different modalities that kind of went into creating readings that really felt like a super personal experience. And are they are a personal experience. It's it's not manipulation. It's actually taking the time to be able to speak to the viewer in a way that resumes. That's me was like copywriting crack right there. No so anecdotally. And i think i told you this i we met but it's one of the only vsel's work. I remember exactly where i was what i was doing. I i saw it. Because i was with ever. Thank you laura. And we were she at. The time was a grad school brooklyn college and i was back and forth between vegas to new york and we had a place in like williamsburg and we were driving leaving williamsburg I don't remember where we were going but we were in the car. I remember we were on the brooklyn expressway brooklyn queens expressway. Like of course traffic and she was driving. And someone has said to me. And i was like this is kinda cool when i put my name in. And she's driving. And i'm like what like a like. Wow this is really personalized. And then like you know i'm going through and then lords looking over east driving in newark traffic. You know and i'm like oh my god that's actually really accurate. You know it's like. And like i i honestly to look for the first minute or to check out the lead right and click away and it was like twenty minutes later at gone through the whole thing and i'm like saying they're like should i get my life day the full report and i'm like what is happening right now but to your point it was like entertainment. I mean it was so Like it was fun to do and just personalized and and the technology is amazing to but just like from Yeah i love that it was. It was really cool. Thank you to write it then. Probably like two two weeks obviously not like full time but probably probably like a good two weeks to sit down and write at and really figuring out the process to right because i this is so funny like now that i you know has been partners with the numerology business. I'm like kind of a pseudo numerology. And so i know like everyone. Who's a different life path number and i'm a life too so that's always the easiest for me to write to because it's me is like okay I would i sat down. I wrote like all the readings for a like a two. And then. And then i think okay. Who's a three in my life. And i like that person's a three and i truly right. It's like it's like the rule number you know copywriting. One one like have a customer avatar in mind. So i would just really think of okay. Who in my life like one of my best friends is a nine another. One of my friends is a five. And i would just like right to them and that i find a really helpful part of the experience and then what's cool is actually now like upgrading. It because when it was first written is pretty limiting and there wasn't a very Like six gender. You know men with women when we talk about the relationship readings. Now we're taking it to like the whole like next level of making it even more inclusive which means more readings in cool. And i'm proud to be part of that as of like okay. Let's make sure we're not alienating anybody in this marketing and making sure it's a really powerful experience for everybody watching And so it's just it's an kudos to blair because so many business owners would be like now. That sounds like too much work. It's too much money when literally we can just write a bs. Al get voiceover and like click next on the slides while read it like shooting in the head now so boring so kudos to blair but like he really truly is like no no. We're gonna make this ethic and that's exactly the word he would use and to be able to work on something like that and bring them to. Life is so exciting super exciting and awesome awesome. You're you're doing that laura both. Two's as well and then our daughter is improved. Sure one i think one is because we're basically created but also business savvy right and like Secretive like doesn't really care about money you've has it will just give it away like bob and i'm like oh that's great. I'm like oh crap out to like put a trust fund that you can't touch so like that number one team. Gosh she's one funny like quick quickstart riots. daylight daylight just it's all ideas and inspiration go whereas twos are lot more kind of collaborative a little bit more. They work really well in partnership. I mean it's a number two right so it's it's interesting. What maybe we'll do a numerology would be fun to see how many copywriters because it's interesting that you're to laura's to i'm a to you and i wonder how many other people who are kind of especially kosh cubs. Also entrepreneurs are so huge for twos right because it's all about like not just your experience but it's all about that that partnership and so really putting yourself in other people's shoes so maybe i'll be so curious to see me to some people putting into chat with sam novak said any justice. He thinks he's the to san said. She's a five adam nassar's. We got some six system. Nine scott moses one. yeah so far some. it's also fun. How many will actually know right. Because you think numerology just like really new agey but so you just talk to like all kinds of from you know people from teenager to like super burly on motorcycles. I'm a five bro. And you're like. Oh you know what i mean like just gonna fund. How many people actually do not really. It's like a strategy right. Like i'm a leo and i'll tell everybody that i'm eleo because i'm a leo but numerology i think is less known but it's kind of cool. Everyone's curious to know about themselves again. Like another copywriting one on one. It's like what makes neurology so powerful is it's like you're literally going through a video sales letter that's talking all about you. How can you not love that. That's right you get rewarded. You get you get your number. I kind of exciting all right. That's just about it today before we finish though. Let me share a little bit more about how you can stay in touch with me. I have a private email list. Where i sure. High level tricks strategies in insights about copywriting entrepreneurship mindset and more in fact often my podcast based on topics i. I emailed out list weeks or even months earlier. So if you want to get brand new stuff for me every single day go to stephan. Paul george i dot com for sasha subscribe these imos are often upwards of a thousand words and i send them every day. Make sure you really can't commit to engaging with me on that level but as long as you can and should. I do drop a ton of value in these emails. 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187: Curb Your Enthusiasm, Isobel Campbell, Englands lost baroque pop

Bigmouth

1:05:13 hr | 1 year ago

187: Curb Your Enthusiasm, Isobel Campbell, Englands lost baroque pop

"Futuristic wheelchairs. Trying to the dog's not that Davos. Obviously I'm algae Harrison Harrison. Of course. We're more Vauxhall Conference Conference and joining me today as usual champagne. Hello Sean how you doing. I'm good thank you how are you. I'm alright not bad at this week's pop culture excitement excitement spot was. Did you see the British seat filler. At the grammys people to sit the sits in the seats capable of the famous mistaken for Billy Graham Dot yes and and he was really supportive. He was quite surprised to sit next. Judging from the photos areas looking like a granddaughter next to this Green Head God s getting getting up a seat he was a product and supporting the family. Read your advice from leads and Atholl a selected and he thought he was an Irish comedian claims pretty picture of him from what's your sit- of brought up in that capacity as well as they tell to move out of is China because I'm not sure that actually I don't WanNa be like brand new all member so I guess we got Sean Funny. You should ask Doc. He's a present of a virgin. Radio and talk. Radio has three podcasts. Previously on doffed Doris what to watch on Netflix. Plus you can still listen into the inimitable. Throwing cost for you dragon. Game of thrones obsessive out he also invented the holy moly entertainment website. He presented big brother's bit on the side. It also now talks about cultural verty. He is a media titan amy as James recently in three he just likes Robert Deniro. Yeah so what. What's so terrifying? Was it absolutely was he. He was he was exactly as you would imagine. Interviewing Robert Deniro was given half an hour's notice really so he's the podcast is four net flicks advocates. I ever of rain to into the podcast world and it was the Friday before everyone break for Christmas and this is for. The Irishman is at the origin. So and he he. He came into London for literally. Four hours to host McEwen. I at a cinema for after potential after vote is not of that and they said can you got into image level. Obviously yes cross. Oh God really is. Is this the interview that I get to plan for so pegged it over to this hotel. They the awkward thing was that he was he was late which is fine. They most people usually Dale but then he walked in. We realized we had a horrific may where we realized Donald Trump's impeachment vote had just begun live at Adenauer to watch it so I found myself sitting in this kind of Weird Hotel conference room with him trying to get my iphone to work to to watch the impeachment live on on Sky News. Yeah he was he was he was good news quite dry eight. He does not sopher interview. Fools gladly An and you didn't lose you'll people might well. I mean. Thank God for editing. It wasn't the best interview it was one of those ones. It sounded pretty good calling. Martin Scorsese Marty all the tyrants things you can't beat as an icebreaker though just like interviewer areas. Let's let's get the president's impeached. Lighten the mood little. Wouldn't it absolutely. What's the idea with the podcast? We'll talk show the net flicks is. It doesn't do much you know. I mean net flicks is many many fantastic fantastic things about it but one of the one of the slot as we all know. It's impossible to find Oakland. What's new funding stuff going on twitter on facebook? Please give me some into watch are like this are alike that you got sixty comments from people that you've you the respect to varying degrees telling you kind of a different show so what to Polish really. We we fired up Netflix. Each week they tell us watch dropped that day. So you can go. uh-huh and then we interview net flicks talent so the cast of sex Ed ten friends Alexa Chung Robert Deniro Noah Baumbach. You know so the access has has been very very unless some great names lined up in a couple of weeks time. Don't tell US income afterlife. Two's coming again Mrs. There's you know there may be a certain certain natural history nature presenter The very much looking forward to that kind of stuff stuff. And it's not just netflix. The man no no no. This is a producer Dottie. Who knows the one Xtra breakfast show presents it? I do a little bit of a roving reporter stuff so no it's been dead. been quite gracious and just kind of left us to ever stepped in and said can we just tweak this a tweet that but but ultimately they've lived leftist to get on with it so it's been great But we we asked the Netflix talents. Tell us what they're watching as well which has been quite enlightening which is and if Jonathan Pryce from the two popes told us about a shackle co my agent which is a French language series on that fix which is absolutely phenomenal. And and he was infusing raving about and spoke we passionate about how it should not be remade in the English language. which would would you try to do? You can't possibly work in any of the language except except fringe is watching clubs So I WANNA ask Robert Deniro Watan. For many reasons. I'll take intimate. But you're still touring with your band. The beekeeper who is very well. There's a big gap between gates with such hits as ain't Misbehavin. Honey loses. Get the buzz. I just had look. Do you think I've got too much to do Jayme East. That's the break break from from everything else. That's that's the pleasure in that. That's not the work anymore. You know. We disbanded when it became night work. It wasn't looking now. It's it's pure pleasure and it's just a load of blokes tweeting about making music through cell phone but the people like it didn't say that journey ernest also with us today. You had a little bit. Elliott writes the Daily Telegraph measure. Q Mike he was deputy editor of select magazine the greatest magazine in history onto ninety s where he knew his tiny monroe from his tiny from ultrasound on his catch it will become dot and reception all nights. He also goes to the also biography of his personal hero John Lydon and has just done the same for tricky. Hello Andrew Perry a wealthy you doing. I'm all right I've recovered even vol- fat. Yeah what's what's the latest bulletin from the London borough trillion hours. It is okay he tricky. I difficult year during the writing the book he lost his daughter. I'm which made a sort of somewhat shadowy experienced darker. But he's an incredibly resilient guy line if you read if you read the book Cold Hell is round the corner available in bookshops survived. The you know incredibly difficult life they including being famous which was the last thing he needed frank and seemed to be the last thing he wanted as well because I only I've only done a couple of times both both of which when he was very much on the on the personal upbeat and was quite enjoyable conversation yet. It's wants to talk about how you know. He's new stadiums around the corner from where they shut the sopranos title Sane. Whenever we drove drove to work he'd be going up? Oh Gupta's mom and but he's search odd character. He's not what you expect of. Somebody's allies well apart busy. Oh absolutely not you know he's He's kind of tigger ish. I've he's an enthusiast but maybe five percents at the time there is darkness in a lot of what he's not with sort of kind of comes comes through because he he lost his mother when he he was four years old His first memory is saying her body in a coffin in the family home Then his father was run out of for house by his uncles are gangsters and he was basic brought up by the rest of the family by the the the wives of the gangsters stop uh-huh. Yeah he's seen an awful lot of violence and depravity also terrible poverty I actually went to Komo West. Where he's from and just to have a little look round and also Take some pictures of the local neighborhood to just try and encourage him to remember where I mean. He still goes back there all the time but I stopped at a junction and just held. My phone's the window and started taking some pictures and and then Gulf Gti came and parked writing my bumper. The dudes just up to me. Take a note from London. It was desolate an incredibly grim deprived. Yes I think that one will not be long It's it's incredible hooked up and obviously in you know just To start with his mother passing away and then to end with his daughter heart rending. I believe he's just been in talking to just Coleman as well Kim promote you still doing your bit Gothi basically yes. L. OF JAZZ is great. He actually wore sunglasses for two hours in a in a indoors in an in-depth penske and take your one should proceed. You know Butts and then he took off at the end academy might yield credible. I mean the rebound have actually been in trying to entice them to do it because they would do a motley crew that style Hunting you know it would be just an incredible incredible book touching just in two hours. I mean he talks about how they were. They were basically drug running until Iceland in in cassette tapes. All right. Let's stuff about jazz levitating more on that you want to censor on the way back tight revival shop but we got the podcast this week. Funny you should ask whispering less this week. We have the new album from about Campbell. Former shunters for the leaders in auto-da-fe so defray balance a bastion there is no other is her first solo album for fourteen years will have wistful harmonies and they dream. Melodies cut through tough. Oh Monday twenty twenty. We will find out and prote- protects. Yes you had right as the return of top comedy of errors curb your enthusiasm on sky. Hbo Be Oh Seinfeld. Creator Larry David's exquisite by taste non. PC cringe bucket of his income is back for its tenth season. Can David still cut it after. A break co-starring. Ted Danson Richard Lewis. J B. Smooth and Cheryl hines win familiar territory with old faces but in this ever changing world which we live in does his espousal of all it is is polite and correct still work plus losing your corvettes and sit awhile upon your easy chair English. Baroque compilation teen symphony is out now. On Ace records it features music it from nine hundred sixty eight thousand nine hundred seventy four including the likes of top Fox Mike Batt Rape Brooks and Navonna. No not that one. And it's lovely put together by Bob Stanley of Synthetic Essien does it evoke the Lazy Susan. The Tau the village green or something darker but before that won't be a good egg supporters on Patriot the crowdfunding for independent greatest. So help us with US studio costs plus the price of a pint each month may have five pounds will send you every episode of big mouth a daily. That's the fraud eight. Not the Saturday and you'll get the extra bit for patron packers only which will enhance your feelings of cosmic oneness. Pledges Ten pounds month. You'll get all that plus the incredible big mouth Mug into what you can pour your special herbal tinctures and twigs Such pressure and big mouth all look at the big facebook page to find out more. All we're saying as we sit cross legged on the floor is buys a pint. Let's start with the new album from Scotland's psychedelics. salsas Isabel Campbell after Alan Sebastian and her three album project with Seattle's growly man Mark Lanigan. This solo record has been a long time coming difficulties with record. Oh company apparently but what do we all think known for defying expectations Motlana composite was all lease hazelwood on acid. Does Campbell bring something new to the so-called table. That's how I listen to National Bird of India The only two questions the heat is about so right. We got and some lozenges few here. Should you need them. This is quite a complex record. which you say Andy Perry on the surface there's wistfulness the streaming they're skipping skipping through failed underneath something else skipping around as asa actually? I'm a I'm not quite well She was Cohabited in a student Gaff with one of my exes Tyson. Is it for one. She's kind of arrived. Where yeah I think she wants to be an one thing she certainly wasn't was the queen of hair slide indie you know she was always what what overseeing our company she ran with the bad boys kind of thing she had not Lanigan wrapped around her finger folks for quite a long from time and she made those records she from top styles? She wrote them of their covers and so she was very misunderstood the studio and She knew knows lots about folk music. Seriously I mean she was the first person to tell me about the writing of ring ring of Fire Johnny Cash Song Problem and says she doesn't have a stuff on this record really feels like it's she's kind of got there on her own feet without needing you know another voice there and I think it has started with authority and there's a great diversity as well as a country An ally is the perfect place. She's a little bit Laurel Canyon the title of the album. Mary's no other Refers to I think her interest in meditation and some of the absolute elitebook lines down to the child but also references gene. Clark's classic album. Which is the quintessential sort of La singer-songwriter right? Of course I track city. Angels so cover of Tom. Petty's running down trees which is obviously very ally Roque also is about her husband. WHO's the engineer? And kind of. KOMO's mind if the record. They sort of went off around America in beaten up dodge charger or something so a lot of it is about. What's the journey of moving to La? I think Yeah I thought it was great company and and she I think she intends it to be a safe haven from the darkness of the Times. The Times that we're all experiencing but also the sort of microcosm of how how difficult it was for her to get the album mates. It's fourteen years since she's had Scott. This lovely sort of drift. Suzy feel about it. which is lovely? That's the thing that I think will unnerve people at First Jamie. Were you a fan of Balance Sebastian. Now I have optus on it I mean I it just it just. I just remembered by being being in the old yield in disguise of the of the early nineties and and balanced busting rules the cue to get a drink and he wasn't able to no no. There was nothing wrong with it. Just didn't it didn't affect me in any way I just didn't. It not not just always found his slightly tweet which which it is and that's kind of selling put and that's absolutely fine and this this record I I kinda I enjoyed would it? You know it was nice it was it was calming. Listen to. It's very simple. You know you could literally hair kind of. There's a lot of that going on foot. She's GonNa Stop Hollering issue. Starts you others. You'RE GONNA stop playing with bubble wrap. It's important that kind of that kind of thing I'd say I didn't enjoy the Tom homepathy. COVI- found I've really struggled with that that the thing about solar the tempo is and to probably slowed it Alibaba but probably third. I think just Kinda just just didn't love me but as the album kind of went on I started to get it You know if you've got deep kind of connection with is about and you say for for Newbie it took me a while all to settle into and that was really the heart of it. All which is about trying to six was the one where I thought. Okay I understand this now I kinda get. That's the best fast track yet and it feels like house of the album. Yes a now. You've now you've come mentioned. All the staffers causes ally of course. But of course it's La Jarring in practically and rush hour listening to to to Isabella's possibly. Yeah and you did this music. Make you happy well as regular this was no I would like to fill laurel all county with concrete. Unlike the pet shop boys. I think you should be banned. Because the patch posed by Alexis potatoes and they quit. They make little joke that the acoustic guitar she'll be all of the raiders took it totally seriously real a real ourselves. If they don't know me all the readers actually met an older box yeah blitz anyway milk nothing so this is his brilliant but Andrew Andrew. This is what I'm saying is this is not really my cup of Mr Andrew. Perry knows full. Well is really not my cup. Take that said I did quite enjoy it. And you took my one useful point rhianna my brain music sensually appropriate. Oh Pre the truck. We played national bird of. That's my. That's my favorite on it. Because I think at the mall kind of musically full and ornate shall we say obviously pinch and a whole lot is still from condition Linden music and and you know the kind of bowed strings that I don't really know what that cold records that I really enjoyed. I enjoyed the the kind of closeness and intimacy of the vocal. That said this is not my idiom tall am I'm Jennifer drum machines now both for all that I kind of found it pleasant and enjoyable three CRA. He doesn't flatulence enjoyable kind of dusted. The pleasant is exactly the kind of would this music evokes it isn't it doesn't evoke any deep passionate may than but then in this kind of you know. I really like Jane. Weaver for instance. He's not a million miles away. All the things in the crowd rob they obstruct `electronic the repetitiveness the loops on the repetitiveness. Also the repetitiveness and these things that I like and I I I I love the texture of this get rid of the songs and I'll be right intimate vocals. Get rid of them. The beautiful I actually really do like the vocal projects as Jim. You're saying extremely close. Mike you can hear every last little intonation listening the limbs the neck bone and she she's engineer's nightmare. Luckily husband has. Oh well. I did write down the words Dream Academy to it because there was just a point where it's very nice saying that we're all ants in the world and we should hope for something better and let's be positive tim breaches think. Just kind of buckle up a bit less just have some. is you say something off. Except the time signature. That just goes straight. It's just so pleasant that that you do switch off to listen to it and I think there's a lot of darkness underneath. I think it's about the difficulties and she said that you know it's not. It's not about easy subjects and yet the veneer of it is so easy. It's difficult to get underneath that. And the less maybe there. I found hard to get to the last. Yes yes I mean. It's his so pleasing into the air in that sense. I think maybe do does itself an injury which is nice cuter examined any further. Doesn't know it leads examining I think otherwise it just is conscious. It's to Carmela Donald Salted Caramel. Oh did Obama Stringency in. Maybe it's not about wildlife in it like not volkers this ant birds. There's all sorts of things that the imagery was really nice. Listen I think you know she spoke. She's a good my Andrew. So Powell like pink someone. That was really here. I'm just thinking of his lawn. Stand next to Lama somewhat wolf maybe so to all the alarm on a non as low down and dirty and ball you know yes. Yeah Yeah I mean yes maybe a little bit of that Goldwyn picking off. Let's move on every week. Guests personally only select Choon for you to listen to for your enjoyment Jamie. I brought in A. You'll like this under Harrison. Not Take you stealth bomber. It's inhaler which is which is a young man called Houston. Miraculously found is over the record deal. Struggling kids can get ahead is is great for birds. I would say they did US unless less jake odor ice cream Sunday which was actually my top ten. The ice cream bloody Sunday Sunday. I I it would but it was actually is a really good kind of guitar. Pop shoot really relied too and the and this latest one again. A real ORCA. It's is could we have to move on an well. You know each much as it's no good the people's just a barge in because of the connections also it's no good to just not people because Jose connections so let's give it a fair. Listen your mind how you listeners. In highlight we have to move on eh it aw and onto. HBO's Very Own Victim. Mel drew as gas leak. Imagine an accidental. Sit Dental provocateur. Larry David is back in the tent series of curb your enthusiasm. The years after series. Nine will Larry Wu. His ex-wife back has the HASHTAG METOO era. La and we'll ever move out of Larry's house. These are the questions we need onset. Here's the trailer although it doesn't give much away it is. The trailer lowers balloons. Larry David what could be better. I give you a little tip if you're going to confront somebody and it's better than doing with hard to take seriously wearing shorts. Everybody big community knows it. I can't wait onto. It is a big. I'd like to see if I could enjoy getting in the big Johnson community without a big Johnson. Again get the hell it was pleasure. Thanks see Canadian. Carrying Larry Get get the fuck out. Wants you to go to your mail. Yes Johnny the tables soft Scans Code Coffee. Eighty everything's a target when you're a wealthy. TV Executive Larry David living and working in La Cub. Your enthusiasm often starts Mina grievances such as this but builds and builds become more difficult and Larry more offensive sometimes by accident sometimes by design but curb in the era of trump. And Hashtag me to kind of Tash. I go there Jamie your fan of curb I believe and it often leads others follow. What were you anticipating for series time you know I? I don't know what I was undisputed. I just wanted with with curb and with Larry David particularly you just want more the same. You just want to have that same. It sounds sounds with the same. Subtlety that the the early seasons had where. You're happy from kind of lead you along down a path and and I kind of lost lost track with with curb a couple of seasons after he split In Charlotte I don't mortified devastated after all voters joked. Okay I I thought now this dream sequence. This can't be happening and I kind of lost lost my way with a little bit so when I was quite excited when when you when when you say that we were covering this is perfect excuse backing so that's one thing we curb you can kind of just dip in and out. You don't have to follow it. Follow it in a linear fashion so sat down With with with this happy site and I was absolutely gutted yet thought is appalling. I thought it was really really really bad. Having having not seen it for awhile and thinking back to what I realize about inputting this episode on it it just felt really needy. I thought I thought every single scene was I thought he is just an into a caricature of himself L. Food. I thought that every hole scum thing kind of everything escalates too quickly so that the gist is for listeners. You don't. He goes to a coffee shop. They're always the scan of Copyright Royce when he knows the market. How could you be foles out over? Sculptor she goes being. Larry escalates faced with it starts with with the skull. It's GonNa be the scout nor Scott knob being hard. Then we've got a wobbly table then we got coffee and and then Solti bit and then he storms out. That takes place saver about. I would say less than ninety seconds now old school curb that would have probably taken place over a couple of days. He would come back in the next day in had the table and it would kind of bothered him to. There was a scorn and then it won't be taken the next day the coffee been cold and thou and everything else would have been framed around that that would've been the returning gag and Heya. It was a condensed Kana construct. That just in work and then he had another one in a gym With a pregnant woman that would just felt I just I I was. I was really disappointed. Quite upset you you new to curb. I'm a hundred percent. Send you someone sets me like a few weeks ago. You spoke quite like American and I was twenty years ago the box so so I yeah I mean that's probably the root I should go and so I was watching literally that it was my first episode so I've probably seen clips but so I was kind of surprised by the coffee shop stuff. I'm because it. It just seemed ferry sort of just play sued observed Sitcom material. You know I kind of thought that he was a bit more sort of Meta than that. It was an and yeah. That's what I'd unser because oversee. He's the retired script writer. And so there's all these levels of kind of have reality and then you've got Ted dense himself but come hither they sort of came in later. Episodes fell to me But but then there were things that I mean. It was obvious that they've been away for a couple of years. Because I've realized his regular character to the guy who looks like Harvey Watts which somebody hang on there and then became a gag all right and so he's actually someone in it right okay. I thought that was that was funny. Just things like selfie sticks correct. That's a perfect example. They're old school Larry. David would not have walked down the street and grabbed a selfie stick and snapped it. He wanted pushed over. Hey those scoot scoot. It's just it was just shit. Those bits were just really shit but the idea was just to have them as just moment. He flinched little twitched. And kind of moving to more Tom. My because I got up washed. I two the three season I just fell off the most disliked. I always like you know sometimes timing you day at throughout your life on Brexit happened. I don't know why but I remember my memory. Memory of those early curbs is that that's the annoying. The million kness of selfie sticks would have been the would have been the of an entire episode. Yeah and what. I liked about curb when I watched this. Has got the decaffeinated at the on court the non decaffeinated Seinfeld on the construction Seinfeld was always I five ridiculous unrelated. Things happen over the course of twenty minutes on all tile in the last four minutes in a moment of absolute absurdity so anything from Kramer deciding. Got The paint extra lane on the On the Brooklyn Queens Expressway. Whatever is and what a Jerry's girlfriends and one of Elaine's work problems would all tile in this moment of total ridiculousness and the thing with curb was it takes? That takes out the upset. It's a an ads. Genuine human niggling inability to get on. They they would hope in one final moment so I kind of I kind of did Lafley snap a Selfie. Stick over his name when he was over the scooters. But I did think that's just seems this is somebody impersonation personalized learning rather it's like what you'd see on an SNL sketch based on curb Robin Kirby so that said I did quite enjoy it because I've been go out and watch this show for ten twelve years. I liked the did think the way that me too and sexual harassment was brought into the context of this because because you can't show months without that and he does absolutely four guy. Yes is managed to slip like Harvey Weinstein and there is a moment of. Oh no one of I done. I've trained in a sexual harassment suit in there which I thought was pretty well done and you know it wasn't massively subtle but it shows that doesn't slow intelligence in searching. They're not that was actually. I mean I just kind of Triggered a sort of sickness in me not does 'cause I knew even though I haven't watched this thing I knew that American Sitcom writing was incredibly sharp and kind of left leaning. And you know I'm just haven't been aware of that. Still living in the age of trump. So it alerted that's it to a consciousness in America which I haven't really been hearing much about lately. You know one of the things that you can hear the trailer we played Halley. Is that Larry discovers that if you were a that make America Great. Don't bother you. That was an because such a decade. Can't stop doing it. And A- and some point Byron Nelson Big White. He calls it a people. Repellent is. I'm not sure about the one question because I think there is a slight problem because there are three examples when a woman displeases him. Really Mina discretional. Whatever you WANNA call it he he gets his own back and the getting his own bags accidental on its Hashtag metoo? He's inappropriate and there's a sort of we can do this because we're curb and we're meant to be offensive. Were meant to. You're pushing on. He's not always meant to be likable. However it seems that there's three examples? It's his is league at there comes. The women isn't the will they gripe about Dave there's no combat and I didn't know where that sat unless they're going to develop that in the next or my mic on this wash like playing things. Yes not everybody in the world of Cabinet Dick Absolutely. Everybody's it's sort of but now he's gone it's getting into. Oh you got a horrible kind of because then people laughing along with the women complain about something. They shouldn't be its own school curb. Larry never one that was that was the thing you know. The end of every episode was Larry All he would get lost his deep in deep into I took the greatest episodes there was the my beloved art and one of the greatest kind of comedy episodes ever and the one which one it was cold but the one way or is but the the little girl scouts locked in the toilet where explain periods to Bob Dole on. Just ask so dr but the the whole point of it is that he is always the buffoon neck and the culture to the that. He's always at the end. scratchings had going. I don't understand. Why am I in this situation again? uh-huh whereas what you just said that Sean is that why is Larry shouldn't be exacting revenge. Xinyang winning Larry Larry's not winning Larry's quotes victories all embarrassing and shameful and petty. What a Dickey Yerba? He's still there is. I think there's a point to be made that when the women talk together. They're about Oh he's been inappropriate with us. which goes on at the end of the episode? There is not a point where you think Larry actually could you fess up for this and he doesn't success up for the Pixel blanket thing so I think there's some marijuana. I wasn't quite sure about that but I will watch every single episode if that were ever to happen not completely shatter the relics of the show. If anybody ever festival to anything because the point that Jamie thing is he needs come off as the buffoon there is a. He needs office that he was his partner making making the fastest poetry never wins. Just he's not meant to be a victor in any way because if he starts to east anything these things to Moan about if he starts to win these things and lost GonNa get too happy for my idea is Cheryl and suzy get their own show. Susie is Jeff's wife who is an amazing Tire Verandah roundabout actress and a woman herself. She's just wonderful characters. One for patient just apple spinoff it'd be just fantastic eventually main laverne and Shirley you the Jamie gives the meeting some other ideas all right. It's suffered the truck trek from one of our guests at the editor's recommendation. If you will Andrew Perry what view wheeled in feel from your enormous vinyl cave Well it is actually a red vinyl seven inch suit remember the pre streaming era Sandra Combo Cova chats that yet I I may be familiar to you from a viral video. which came from about twenty seventeen Cold smoko smoke on smile so leave me alone is on break. A trio from the sunshine coast of of Australia. Also nine sunny skies which bit to that left Brisbane a bit north and so it's very very hot. Okay I'm John Because because it's okay with Sunshine K.. Doesn't want to. That's right there is actually a talkie down south of Melbourne where it is fittingly Coleman. They call it talk But but and this this videocon of was a smash because it was ridiculous. I did a video on an iphone and I the the the cost on the video. It was they had to buy a sausage row which a was five bucks and what is viewed the drama said. He had a thought bucks. Sounds quite a lot for a sausage rows but we had to buy the sources as well on these seventeen no money they kind of work their parents service industry on that So that kind of in a fairly affluent place but Sudan trodden kids great songs Sir. That that that got about three songs about the weather temperature temperature And this this this one pub feed All I want all I need. All I crave is a good pub fi right and it's just celebrating something just absolute Banal Childish and when I went to cover him I just didn't know what they would be like. I just went on the road with them for two days. A classic old school on the road with a bunch of Twenty year olds and They just struck me is incredible and the other thing that was amazing was that everyone is kind of looking at live. I like music now Basically through the lens of someone's phone standing in front of them and it was the first concert into in a long long time which was old school. Where the no phase? If you'd had your phone not it would have been smashed on the floor because people were just go nuts and the paper it was entirely young people There are a couple of other. Australian bands are similar which The audiences are full full of people of IRA age saying this young people's music should be like you know This was entirely people their age. Just going absolutely bananas is an Asshole. People were pinions against the mixing desk. The back going God. This is rather ice amazing. And they were you. It's just sort of the. They are kind of like the angelic upstarts. That what you want to ask ahead punk rock but at this point turning into the into the twenty twenty s it felt so refreshing and you just thought well we'll music be not the what we can do. Just I don't think Isabelle's album but music has become like just incredibly untroubled just cocooning and just sort of even the hip hop. It's just not very pleasurable. Jimmy Says Amazing Chess Fax in the names Driscoll Matthew Bogus and sings called Ayman sound with inside Marina. I'm already has. He has a Ginger Jinja. mullets which is just smash hits is still going you get. Let's from aim inside with Ginger mullet. It's it's the chats with pub feet. That was the Chattan pope feet who apparently performed the song cold. I hope Scotties house bones down about Scotty. Morrison they promise to restrain right in the middle of the crisis. So you want from today's pop music. Now let's go to completely the opposite direction. Who likes nine hundred sixty nine? Who would like to float around beaver frock? Angora velvet smoking jacket with Jon pertwee ruffled Kurt the latest compilation from unofficial national pop. archivist Bob Stanley saying at the end is entitled Tea and symphony the English Baroque sound. Nineteen sixty eight to nineteen nineteen seventy-four collecting the melancholic post psychedelic moments when pop went Palin interesting just outta hop secret of poverty. Ginger cats on the window sill. It says here. It's an updates previous version of this album. which is lost in the great record industry collapsed? The two thousands shoot we salute the temerity of those who've been the Act Selo in favor of a Samba Cha mcchord at a tootling. Clarinet is a taste of this to songs by matthew bones. His daddy comes back home. Talk about the way spanner Sahni marmosets to say. Sit Down with so she you do in her yes she good a hello and welcome to John. Peel's perfumed garden batteries to songs by the Very Beautiful Matthew Bones Jones. So you're all looking very beautiful in the studio. I might say tea and symphony. We've got a lot of lonely girls disappear. Country Cottages Morocco casters. tweet tells a fantasy wells gentle noises. Oh bows the village. Green brass bands and this street. Isn't it no perhaps deserves a more favorable live on its own I can get that. It's not you'll thing but it does have some Bishen and there's a lot of it isn't that there's a lot going on here. Fez The reason that this stuff ended up in Kabul sales on charity shelves. It was just not good. I find I mean quite apart from on the The emotional sort of receipt level. I mean to me it's just an inundation of whimsy to me nineteen sixty nine thousand insent never thought it sounded like the stooges nineteen sixty nine David. The you know that that was how era sounded to me I I don't. I'm kind of with my hero Keith. Richards he says about About sergeant pepper but it was a mishmash of rubbish when when the Beatles and the Beatles lost the plot when they went down I love kids. What it took I'm But this stuff is just going down that route further. And you know the the. The album actually starts with this song pictures which mm is obviously a derivation of the King Search Picture Book Right Mr Ban. Yeah that's where you are on this now. I forgive this could track exactly okay through massive extrapolation. Asian of Eleanor. Rigby as missing there is lots of kind of cello. 's and very norma's no rockets audits all little bit of Acoustic Thousand Yep and Smash Boulevard Shop Boys You know it's very very very much the beautiful gypsy vision of an England and never really existed. There is a reason that the rolling stones came back with on street fighting man jumping Jack Flash. Okay Sanjay that all of that stuff. The stooges streetfight inner man jumping Jack Flash the electric PRUNES NAMED CAPITAL Rock has been so lionised and canonized in the intervening fifty years. The this stuff this is the actual pump rock. This is the actual awesome. Nice Changed I. Of course I mean that's the thing. All of the big bands went into their so-called regency NC period where they all dressed up like hinge and bracket but the better of them realized the error. Arafat ways You know the thing is to me. It's also the sort of northern soul argument. Is You know the reason that a lot of these sort of very rare records. The only had tiny pressings. The reason that they only had tiny pressings is that they were not very good on the ones that were good. Were the original ones the ones that plenty Walter Davies interested. I get that but I I am a huge say in person I can hear the loss of I'm saying in this. This is the kind of weighed loam for which that kind of take from all over the Place Everywhere Book Big Rock they they steal from reggae and house music. They can this kind of pop. There's no strings and a clarinet solo on a thing Did you know as it's been so buried for such a long time quality not with some digital funny in any way refreshing remind you you like what you like. Well you know I think you do hear a lot of this stuff around and music does kind of Pop. The moment does kind of lean more in this direction than it does towards the chats. For instance you hear a lot of kind of introspection expections self regard An and sort of you know swirling strings you know I. It's it's just to me. I hear too much of this. She Shaw with past January to remove myself from this narrative. A colleague Light magazine Love Modern Day. Brock is still not place on my fine. If I don't fix it I found a problem with it. Lyrically Klay Is. It hasn't stood up very well because most of the songs do seem to be Hailin Lady. Your daughter I'd love to come and pick your church and you're just fine for the first one and then the second one earth there's a lot ladies tiny minds feet you know small heart with all that stuff you think this is Karen Meeting. Yes All Sung by Ozzy men in `grats swinging a Lotta whiskey. I get the point and you can hear the kings you can hear on the rigby as we said George Martin often coming through and it's copy isn't it. I mean this is what these people are doing the TV stars and people people who might have some sort of profile to do this genre in economique towel sort of way and I think that's the charm but I think the charm is heart sustain over this many songs such a long. Track listing I did just start drifting off towards the middle even maybe before. It's a lot of a lot taking in one. Go An era music. That's that's what you like but sort of like the the idiom on whether you kind of assess the causes good not. It's got a mass of with particular Konica. It's like a whole cream cake of cream cakes in one go isn't it. Yeah and as we often say on this thing well. It's kind of thing that surprised you on your shuffling iphone phone. You might be like quasi enjoying it and it's very much you can see the meeting or not that they have a four hundred seven coming in with Donovan going. Hey guys and yeah you can listen to Donovan. It's sort of better than this. These curios as nicer today as it is. I think it's just too nice. It is it is very very very very nice. Can you have bits of Blair. Bits of Poulton BITs BITs. I don't want to fully I Maybe not sure yeah. I'm not sure that the tweet. She's got nothing from the Lyric Henrik. Rice's ferry aptly say the lyric writers are just not as good as right Davis. Yes so that was because the pages ages of places by the see pictures of me stuck up a tree as the chorus coat. Hanger Song Razi the Cherry Trees and sharing my coat hanger. If you try to break my neck with you. I'll try to come so quickly lest you die. Those are some of the lines on. It's just a bit less. What's what's the other part of me thinks? It's Nutty Romeo not running. I told Jason Kenya's mustaches. Notice is an album by a win. God's called when sex as its inquisitive head which uses those tropes and then take some something far darker and something far with with them so that you can do this in quite an interesting citing almost quasi rahkamo fashion. I just don't think at this cuts it. Because they rarities there are rarities. Thanks for of reason you either get into it because it just feels like an undiscovered world I don't think anybody who say that. These are their favorite records of all I. Actually I get quite around to think of the people. Now they haven't made it for people needed disarmament. I'm thinking to have a copy of it less to all these Certainly strike making these things full hits. They were trying to Popula Ella. This and I love that mercantile side of pop person Jamie. I hate people making music for themselves and if somebody I can't the we will make an easy for ourselves and Sony for you know able to people like I don't care about you I can use it for me. It is it. Was this just an excuse. For the Mortis in the studio for Walters just kind of a bit of a laugh. I don't think so because when you look at the cast of characters here this quite a lot of struggling Komo bodies hair and quite back did the one book of goodness is later to the bulletin. But I mean listen to this Blah Blah from burbs sleeve as opposed to taking at Seventeen Lee. Nixon had just begun to play the folk clubs of his native Wigan where spotted a songwriting competition in disc magazine. First best price was two hundred and fifty pounds and the promise of a single release on CBS. That's the kind of thing that's going on people are you know. Kind of royalty indulgence going on. Hey at FOTA Kasan these people. All the scrapple is the day buy quite perspective excellent and actually enjoys the sleep. Nate's enormous the bloodstains on. They had kind of blown it within their own kind of initial trying to reassemble new career and in many cases actually should he did pull it off as a result of going down this route so being kind of easy access Scott Walker and to be honest with you Scott Walker. Wasn't that far away from the sound of the time was a US quite commercials Strikes come on less positive but he was in this idiom actually Scott Walker did full off in quality time something something shocking and the other person we should make David. Bowie made a lot of housing. This digging it was definitely a was a possible avenue. People you know the thing about the mid sixties beat is that they're you know there's that great film all my my loving we ever seen that the Tony Palmer Film. Oh yeah she's a belt. It's a documentary all made up of just interviews without sort of a mitigating voice narrator. Just people like McCartney sang look. I'm the knee Beethoven. We are serious. We know. Just throwaway pop this this avenue to me. They using strings and they're trying to be more of a kind of a songwriter. Leap Tin Pan Alley trying to be taken more seriously. And that was a mountain papa. We're not a settled. Question is go wait. Five minutes isn't and as and as late as the early eighties I used to read in private eye of the new pop groups begun very soon where they are. You know This was a weird so I I I. It's not by any sense the kind of thing that's compulsory into like an obviously in love with quite repellant to somebody with Iraq and really late yourself hundred but were valid little moment in pop music that he's looking at. I'm obviously that's dead funny. It's very sorry interest. And obviously bobby's ace. I'm really not stuff. So He's put together a really amazing bunch. You see the sleep leave night's sleep nothing else you can rectify now. My my my favorite line from account which truck truck it comes from but this is emblematic of the whole thing. What need have we for answers for? We have just the dunces on the wind. Anyway I'm still not foam show. It's the end of the show. Which means closing time chatter? What will I guess? Be debating over no gray as they brushed the Battenberg crumbs. Then Michael Fish Thundershower. Andy Perry Well I'm looking forward to going. See Jillian cove play for the first time in quite tell you. He's just made a comeback record cold Self civil war out is a full band record which he doesn't always do do but I don't think the show is going to be with a full band. Unfortunately but the songs are really good. And it's a little bit Jehovah Cal for those who who familiar with that policy which is his crowd? Rock progressive periods. An on On Arch drew. The game is still thinking about mullet's going back to that. The picture on the cover is sort of taken underneath his his face. If you can imagine Jamie with a Pete Cappon otherwise they have a bad but copy has maybe a little more even more bids than insight. Andrew and Jamie put together has a peak happen shades. And you actually can't see any skin he looks. He looks Harry's uh-huh Max hair because it in this sort of period of soft twenty years or so what he's been putting out these kind of weird odd miniature self-produced recold tackled. This often. Brilliant songs one of them a couple of years ago how Choon the full title of the Chin. It was about religious extremism on the tight that she was entitled all all of the blowing themselves up. Mother fuckers are going to realize the moment they died that they were suckers us the title of the song also cars. There's there's a lot going on with. Is this like like back to the cope. Band of five Paul Sandra and all these guys correct absolutely. Yeah yeah it it. It's not that band but it's not idiom yet yeah yeah has had some good songs on And of course we've got to talk about. The previous album is called drunken sons. Yes because because Almost as a kind of artistic statement discovered the joys of having a couple of beers because he'd never ever done in his life we'd never drank to know he'd always just been strictly. LSD See I'm thinking and energetic Krieger. Nothing so energetic Vegan today This album coudron MM consultants which was celebrating kind of medieval brewing culture in in the UK? But one of the songs SPOONER ISM on the famous wall song was live. Biggest Hartley poked. Yeah you need to hear that Song Musburger Jamie. What Tim for us I just WANNA I guess it's more of a statement or slash openers? Just that we would never ever have a TV. Show as big as game of thrones ever ever again I'm why because When when thrown I came to bay it did the wall was a very different place? I mean if I started didn't even really get start getting properly warmed up until season three and and is a conversation. I had occurred to me yesterday. I'm just about to stop barking on some work with sky for westworld which which is coming back in March which is more my many hats and for the Westworld to kind of continue. It really needs to post something out of the bag the series and and here we are already kind of besmirching something not getting to season. Three whereas thrones had had a good run at a at people gave it a lot of breathing room and allowed it to kind of find itself. You go back more season. One of the thrones is pretty poll. Aw You know it's just it seeming to bans been allowed to make two problems before taking issue but I think I think also one of the problems problems now is that channels and yet people. HBO Netflix or don't Sky or whoever and now the mercy of of of Sharunas and it seems to me that we now get to a point where a shows a head and the Guy Right. I've done that now Now can I gotTa make a Star Wars Film. I now beginning a mall in mind. I mean clearly Donilon Day any off and I think that's a real shame that we're getting that because it was happening. Is that the not knuckling down and getting on with the job and I think with with thrones that they did it for seasons now had a good run a surprise breaking bat. Vince Gilligan do combat and then doing exactly the same thing we'd better call so there's a lot to be said for just like this is what I do and I'm GonNa see this through and but on the flip side of that you've got Damon Lindelof. Who just pulled the rug from under watchman's feet after once one absolutely fantastic season and as angry as as as as I am about not seeing it again? It was absolutely the right decision to do that. We're not going to see any more because the story was told in has an idea endings. A good ending you don't need to pull out of it handmaid's tale ending Malden but that but but for all of those reasons we will never. I don't think a show will ever be allowed to become as big as as threatens was bigger either at the behest of the of the of the Shire owners or the fact that we will never even the the viewing public. Won't uneven let something get to season for unless it was a a massive talking point again. We'll find out some of the Bible. So no game of thrones Moscow are dragons. Okay bye versus Andrea. Well if you can't plug podcasts on your own podcast Lincoln you pulled them. And we've got a new podcast. It's called the bunker. It's a companion to remain six at. It's basically Ramani without the BREXIT. Is General Political. Talk so it's all. The people who copious analysis podcast remain X.. Some New People some some interesting guests. I which is good as big mouth. It's the same look different. 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It doesn't seem to be no But their marketing them they cost over nine hundred pounds for the ones that I was looking at the clock next but they look like just stuck a chewing sharing come to solve me and I kind of on that bud but that big butts they come into pinks and Silva's and they've got obviously the logo. Oh go brand new branding branding. You will lose these things in a second. They have not thought about any of this at all. I would love if these turn out to be cropped ones from the I will lock your phone guy. Donald the market. That's not therefore that really also easy to pirate as well because they just ah if only you do think that Lewiston with all the good you could do in the world. Don't cheat do have quite like Gucci Avenue. Go in trying to save the world as well as sell people really expensive shirts you know. Why are you doing this? You're not doing it for the good of the people. Yeah so obviously. Our listeners can all for that. Ah Come on stop aiming capitalism. 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Off The Hook - Jun 05, 2019

"Soledad O'Brien and Bill moyers will present an riverside, church minister emeritus, Reverend Dr James, Forbes jR will host tickets of free. And for more information, go to June T dash, NY dot com. That's Wednesday June nineteenth at seven PM at Carnegie Hall, amber cast from nine pm to midnight on listener sponsored WBAI, New York. And it says radio station WBAI in New York. The time is seven o'clock that means it's time for off the hook. And the very good evening, everybody that program is off the hook. Emmanuel phen- here with you on this Wednesday evening drawn tonight by Alex evening, and Kyle yes, I'm here. Good driving. You know, ten minutes. Go we were on the BQ. We I don't know how we even did it. But I hope nobody got on our way just know what we here now and, you know, ways you have to sometimes override ways because directs you onto roads that, you know, are going to be crowded, and yeah. Remember when you used intuition to drive intuition? Yeah, it's, it's, it's throwback. You might want to explain what the B Q E stands for really on New York. Let's if anybody doesn't know what the standards for call in and tell us how did they. Okay. And then what could say that listener wants to tell someone what it is calling. It's basically hell I mean, really I guess there are people that probably don't know what it is. But I mean the LA thinker people don't know what the LA is. I would imagine. So I hope so I really hope that not everybody in the world has experienced the Long Island expressway. It's basically a highway with confluence of many other roads and those on and off ramps. Those, those joke shins can be well, very active, especially this time of day as there's a very high density idiot as well. Yeah. Yeah. I think the, the, the over eighty degree weather is definitely that might be starting to get people especially if you get slowed down. You're kind of sitting there traffic an option that take seven. I think I think people for the most part on the BQ dry very well. Just they don't have much to work with, you know. And I didn't hear much honking. I know if you driving on a freeway in LA, that's when the word idiot would come up a lot saying from personal experience. This is what happens. Yeah. I didn't know I mean, if we're going to bring California into the different. For those who are dying now. Saints Brooklyn queens expressway. I don't know who the wise guy was quick expressway in there. But it certainly isn't fast at least not now. Well, there are a lot of improvements almost say and they are promising but. It not a moment. Too soon could Cosco bridge. It's, it's coming along really nicely and it's I think going to help with some of the bottlenecks and, and hangups, but question governor Cuomo, now you built this great bridge or got this bridge built. It's got five lanes going one. White four lanes going another. When it opens up in September four years, I had a schedule. Congrats on that. But what happens when those five lanes merge back into two or three lanes is not gonna cause a bottleneck. That's, that's what I'm worried about. Well, yeah. Exactly. And a something that crosses a body of water, I think becomes the first thing to address because you know what was there was a pretty immense engineering feat in of itself. But a lot of the connected parts of that particular road, will, I would assume be widened in some way or improved along with this. But, but we're not to have a dress. The bridge, it would then itself languish and become the bottleneck. So I guess it's, it's part of a grander vision and, and something is connected. But as as it's being prioritized, and an implemented, this is the first sort of part of that, and the other the other bottlenecks noted of yet to get the attention they need. So we have a listener mouse being improvements. I think this is from Jerry didn't sign a name, and we don't have the, the head of hair. So thanks for writing. In case you didn't know and may thirty first at noon, the MTA launched a pilot program that you tap to pay system. You know, but this, yes, I've heard of it, it's called Omni spelled wrong and why. And I guess that means. One metro New York. That's, that's what it stands for. Okay. It will replace the metro cards. So the metro card that we talked about on this show when it was new is going to be extinction. The transit authority is starting with sixteen subway stations on the four five and six lines in Manhattan and Brooklyn between Grand Central forty second street and avenue Barclay Senate. Right near us riders can also try out on the on all Staten Island buses downside is you gotta go to Staten Island. I'm kidding. Staten Island listeners, take things seriously. I'm kidding about that, too. Yeah. So we'll, we'll be joining all kinds of other modern cities in having this, this contactless system. Kyle we've into a number of the city's yet indeed in, in the integration of the with handsets is something beyond. I think what we, we've tried in some places, but it's, it's a little bit a further because you can't buy a separate card or a paper ticket that. Has a chip of some sort or otherwise, you're able to run it across as though. It's like a stripe set up this new system requires software requires you associating your accounts, and we've played around with this a little bit on some of the other railways in particular, the LA double are and, and that stuff. So as they rely more on this, because it's kind of like the boarding passes at a airport or a flatbed scanner, you basically, hold a device to it, and it scans. And if you've been to any of those sixteen or fourteen stations you would see basically one turnstile that instead of having a MAC stripe reader that we're used to with the metro card. It has this sort of it looks like a grocery checkout as I said, or like a boarding pass thing. And it basically scans whatever you put over the glass part, and that, that account is then linked to your trip. The thing that's somewhat unique about New York. Is that I believe China going to us going in not going out and London tap going in and going out and calculates your fair based on that? But here in New York, we have a passionate tradition of only having one, fair, not raising it during rush hour, not raising it because of this dense and I hope that this isn't going to lead to sneaking that change in any way. I don't think that it will. And it's been a hallmark of the New York City subway station is, is sort of designed to be what's known as gala -tarian, this great equalizer that in for the same fair as you know if you were taking a train from fourteenth street, eighteenth street. You know, the on the one trains, one of the only lines still has an eighteenth street station. It's the same fair as if you were taking it all the way up to the end of the four five six. He got somebody who does that because at one stop pays full fare. Absolutely you do. So I don't think it will change that if it does change that I think there should be riots industry, but you can go from Washington heights, all the way to Rockaway for the same fair. As your friend going from fourteenth street. Eighteenth street. But it wasn't always that way. Actually, if you look at the really subway Matt's, you'll see that south of broad channels has extra fare applies beyond this point. I don't know how that worked I, I wasn't around then but maybe one of our listeners can can help us with a memory of how they collected the extra fare on the New York City subway system back, then I have a question about this new Omni system as well. You mentioned so cool, the Omni system. Wow, so cyber weirdly enough. The Omni is what I named our DNS intelligence platform that I had designed to last. You can expect a letter from their legal team then because I think this is going to take priority over. You're on the no, the mind is actually spelled correctly. So there's no chance of confusing similarity. Okay magazine on the magazines. No longer around member. Then they were actually. Yeah, I haven't thought about that in a while, might actually stands for open source, multidisciplinary network until June. It's totally different different acronym, even to go back to my original question. Now you brought up London I used to live in. Even obviously. And whenever I go back use the same card that I've been using for about six years now. And I think that, that it's absolutely amazing is one of the things that really annoys me about New York is that the metro cards here expire, while yes, it's so annoying. It's so wasteful, you go to try to to reappear your metro card. And then it, it says, oh, it's expired a campy. You can add value to it. It's now I wonder if these Omni cards are going to have an expiration date. Somebody know that I don't think it's a card necessarily because it's, it's hands or like not phone. You have to have cars and this is sort, that's, that's exactly right. I think maybe the machines themselves will print, some kind of ticket with a QR perhaps some kind of optical code. But the, the oyster is going back to what you said about London. Those do expire. You have to use them to continually load onto them. I know because we've. We've tried to reuse them before. And you basically you aren't able to re re up the what happened. There was we had to always two cards because we, we got our deposit back for one trip. And for some reason, it let's keep the oyster card. I thought the deposit was for the actual physical card, but we wound up keeping it and then another time we wound up giving it back and getting the same five pounds back as a deposit. So when I tried to re up that the one that I got back after getting the deposit back, it wouldn't work. So I think that's when it expires, but it seems like a real ways they should just take it back and reuse, the actual physical card. Yeah. That's, that's what I was referring to exactly that. If you do the deposit process it becomes inactive. Speaking of London. Our president is over there right now. Actually, I don't know if he's in London right now, but he was in London. He's your president. He's not mine. How's he, my president of not, your said he's our press? Well, technically legally the I'm not getting. Get into this right now. We don't have enough time, but he was over there. And he got really flustered. And angry. I while he was flushed in angry while he was on the plane. He was tweeting on the plane, which I guess you can do if you have WI fi on the plane, and you're the president, but literally get see him coming into London in the sky on TV, and he's tweeting as that's happening. Criticizing the mayor of London criticizing the mayor of New York City, whatever, but by the time, he, he was on the ground and had gotten somewhat familiar with the area. He got himself into a big tizzy, because he, he was upset at what was being said, over CNN. So he advised, everybody boycott AT and T which now owns CNN and he was against that. And in a way, I can't really defend that. I can't say that having AT and T owning CNN or owning Time Warner. However it works. I'm still upset over time merge. With warner. So I'm not really into these big corporate mergers. But he's saying that because CNN is critical of him that everybody should boycott AT and T. So that's that's really interesting. I believe that people stop using subscribing AT and T there'd be forced to make big changes at CNN, which is dying in the ratings anyway, it is so unfair with such bad, fake news. Why wouldn't they act when the world watches CNN it gets a false picture of USA, sad, all negative so much fake news? Very bad for US. Why doesn't owner AT do something etcetera etcetera? What will happen was. He found out that he couldn't watch Fox News in England because I didn't know this as of two thousand seventeen Fox News is no longer in the UK. They only had a smallest viewership, I think a couple of thousand people which is tiny in broadcast world. So they, they discontinued having that be available anywhere. Now, the thing this tells me is that nobody is is showing him how. VPN went when we travel, we can see anything we wanna see because we use VPN's. How does the president of the United States not know how to do that has nobody in his entourage telling him that? Yeah. You know, you have to do is go on the internet. And they are Fox News tells me, they're not, they're not sharing information with them just to kind of see how much of a tantrum he'll throw. I heard that his VPN that uses actually only allows him to view Russia today. That's it. That was a joke very kidding. We need humor in days. Like, yeah, we really do. But technically, it's, you know, I remember when there's a presidential campaign, I think it was all gore that was doing this, he was watching all the local TV channels from direct TV which not allowed to do. But you know what when you're running for president, they're exceptions that are made. And I imagine when you are president, there are also exceptions that are made he should be able to watch whatever network he wants just like we all should. Well. So are you arguing that the president should violate the rules here that he should should breach? The no room. What are the rules arms? What rules prevent us from going to London getting on a VPN and watching US television, or very clear rules about what you can watch him what you can't watch and all dependent upon where you are. And I think that the law should apply to everybody equally. Corporate rules you're, you're, you're quoting, even quoting, but it's, it's VPN's have existed their legal we pay for VPN, and it allows us to, if, if we need to be in Canada. For instance, all of a sudden, we can do that, if we need to be in England. We can do that. You play with this, too. Of course him. I'm just trying to reconcile the argument that, you know, you, you criticize the president for breaking the rules and breaking the law. Now, you're advocating for the president, no criticizing, for not knowing, how to do this only kidding. Obviously, but yeah, I mean it should be really, really simple fixed for him to be able to do something like this. I don't think it said serious. I think it's more. I don't think it's deep. I think it's more about him, just not being able to like flip a channel surf with a remote you know, you'd have to sit with a browser or, or use some kind of computer or or have some more substantial setup engineered such that you could just sit there and flip the remote control, but given the service that he has on, on, you know, government accounts and all that. It's probably just, you know, one set of satellite channels, that's there. And you know, or or actually yeah, at whatever venue, the, the government deems is okay for his visit, or whatever the, the British hosts are providing him on saying is if I was somehow in charge of Trump to keep them, happy, and entertained, and, and, you know, within reach of whatever he demands at a moment's notice. I would set it up so that he can just press a button and watch Fox News at any time. It's not hard to do that. The fact is people in administration. I'm not doing that for him. And I think that's probably a good thing, frankly, we'd just constant fluctuations in our foreign and domestic policy. If he was able to access Fox News at the flip of a switch. Let's keep them away from it as much as possible, especially when he's overseas what we're saying, but, but people in his own administration doing this, maybe they're doing that liberty. That's what I'm getting at. It just seems very bizarre. Knowing technically what's poss? That, that he's able to do this thing you mentioned that Fox News wasn't available in the UK coincidentally, I was on a plane coming back from Florida on Monday evening, and it was forced to watch Fox News for a little bit on on the way back on a jet blue flight, wait, wait. How many forced to watch what they made everybody sitting pay attention. Well, you know there wasn't really much else on. It was that or reruns of the office. And you know, got kids trying to sleep in any of those flipping between new stations and board with Rachel, Maddow, flipped over to Fox News, because they had Nigel Farraj on, and they were speaking, it was probably about three o'clock in the morning London time. And they were making a big stink about the fact that Fox News was not available in the UK and Nigel. Raj was saying, oh, such a travesty. We need to make sure that this, you know, gets gets corrected me need Fox News more than ever now in the UK. And it was very interesting to me too, is that he was listed as a Fox News contributor, which means that he's on their payroll. That, that's why he needs it over there. Exactly. Yeah, people in the UK really don't care about domestic news in the US, and that's pretty much all that Fox News is concerned with whereas CNN has different divisions. They have international they have the mastic as well. It's smart to do that. It is moving on though. There are other things going on obviously in the technical world and things having to do with privacy and New York apparently is is on its way to introducing or passing New York Privacy Act. It was introduced last month by state Senator, Kevin Thomas, and it would give residents in this state more control over their data than any other state. It would also require businesses to put their customers privacy before their own profits. The Bill is still seeking a co-sponsor in the state assembly. But Thomas says he is confident that he has majority support in the Senate and hopes to pass the Bill this summer. You know, we know some people in this in state assembly, so maybe we can get them to was it take the co sponsor a Bill. You just basically say cosponsored. I, I think that's pretty much it and sign your name somewhere, and your co doctor, Dr pay anything, there may be some kind of some fee associated. Introducing a Bill. I have no idea, I wouldn't be surprised to stand and say, yes, that's right. I think, well, the committee on consumer protection which Thomas happens to share is scheduled to hold a hearing on the Bill this week. And with it New York is poised to become the next battleground, in the fight for state privacy laws, California became the first state to pass such a law last year with the California consumer Protection Act industry groups and consumer advocates sparring over his language ever since and of course, businesses argue that is overly broad, and that complying with different laws. And every state is unworkable preferring instead, a lighter touch regulation at the federal level. How about this? How about a heavier touch at the federal level? That way, you'll know what the rules are, and consumers are happy and don't you want happy consumers? Well, certainly, I mean you mentioned CCPA that's supposed to come into effect in January of twenty twenty and has caused such an uproar because it applies to businesses. I believe. That make over twenty five million dollars a year annually and similar to the New York Bill gives consumers access to information about what data's being collected about them what data's being shared about them in my problem with the CPA the California, consumer Privacy Act. However, is that the data that is given back to you about where your information has gone is not very specific. They the, the companies that are sharing your data only have to give you categories of companies to which they have provided your information and what those categories are is very unclear this New York laws is arguably going much further than the California law, and most notably, my opinion, and I think this is a real innovation and it's why the tech companies are very much up in arms against this particular Bill. Is that it gives consumers what's known as a private right of action, that means that consumers can sue tech companies, or any company that misuses its data that they? Have the right to go into court in New York state court and bring a lawsuit for violation of their privacy. The that, that's a really really big change. And I'm sure that the plaintiff's bar, meaning, plaintiff's lawyers are very much in favor of this. They're very powerful lobby. So we're gonna see the plaintiff's bar pitting off against the technology lobby, it's going to be very interesting legislative session. The other innovation with this Bill and it's something that's been kicking around in academic circles for a few years is this concept of data fiduciaries so companies that are holding your private data. We'll under this law have to act as a fiduciary fiduciary, of course, meaning coming from the Latin word, fitness or faith. Right. So they have to they have an obligation to safeguard that particular data and that fiduciary obligation under the law under under the text of the Bill itself. Right now, Trump's the fiduciary, obligation that companies have to shareholders that mean. Means that safeguarding your data under this New York state law is more important than price within profit that is really interesting. And anybody oppose that statement? Well, it creates a conundrum for companies because they're going to have conflicting obligations, a lot of these companies are registered in Delaware or elsewhere. Which means that they're fiduciary obligation to their shareholders fiduciary, obligations to their customers could arguably come into conflict, how the conflict is going to be resolved is, is going to be rather interesting. Probably in the courts. But if you violating the privacy of your customers doesn't that take priority over anything else. How can you say that profits mean more than that, that makes you guilty right there? Well liable I think maybe might be the right word right guilty. It's a guilty in Lyon is perhaps. But I mean look, I think you're right about that. And that, you know, if you're violating privacy of customers or you're using their data and away for which. Or rather in a way that for what you haven't been given consent to use it. That could be considered privacy violation under this particular Bill that could give right to a private right of give give rise to a private right of action, and then allow you to in New York state court. So this is going to play out. I think in rather interesting ways. And I think like we saw in California, there's going to be a lot of horse trading with the technology companies coming into the New York state legislature trying to lobby trying to remove the teeth from this particular Bill the other thing. I think that's that's really interesting here. Is that the tech companies they're all making the argument now that complying with these laws? You know, the, the California law which is different from the New York law from New York law passes. It's gonna have more teeth in California. We saw the same arguments about this, this conundrum of compliance when it came to state data breach notification laws of which there really isn't a gigantic amount of. Many, but for the most part, what companies have done is they, they regulate themselves to the most restrictive common denominator. Right. So for longtime Massachusetts had the most rigorous data breach notification laws. So would we would've is companies to do is to comply with Massachusetts laws, and this could have a spillover effect? This New York law could require these tech companies if unless they wanna have separate compliance programs to across the board regulate themselves, or rather, conduct themselves in a manner that would comply with New York state law. That's really quite interesting. But the technology companies are now using this as an argument. With congress so that congress will have to step in and save them from this, this dreaded mess of compliance that they are now faced with bypassing, federal legislation that is, as you noted earlier manual a lighter touch than what we would have under New York state law and federal law that touches the same subjects that state law, generally preempt state law. So it would essentially make the state law null and void if congress decides to preempt that legislation. And if they do so explicitly the New York state law would would essentially be completely void well, just to outline how this proposed law differs from California, as you already pointed out some of the changes the differences, California law leaves enforcement to the state's attorney general New York Privacy Act would give New Yorkers the right to sue companies directly over privacy violations, possibly setting up a barrage of individual lawsuits industry group. Of course vehemently. I opposed a similar provisions, also known as a private right of action in California, and they succeeded in driving out of the Bill when it was finally signed into law last year and California's law, as you mentioned, the plies, only two businesses that make more than twenty five million dollars annual gross revenue, New York Bill would apply to companies of any size, and you know what I own a company and violated. Somebody's privacy doesn't matter that, you know, we only make you know, if you hundred bucks a year, I should be sued for that. Well, sure, I mean, I, I think any privacy violation should give a point of the right to sue for that particular violation. Whether it makes sense to sued depends on what the damages are right. I mean, if it's fifty dollars worth of damages, nobody's going to go to court over that. But if this causes you an enormous headache, you know, and thousands and thousands of dollars worth of your time or expenses than yeah. Sure, you should be able to, to, to recoup that I completely agree now the, the other bit. I think that the big difference here between the California law, and the New York laws the concept of the data. Atushi airy and some of the literature that I was reading about this particular Bill in a mention that, well there, there are plenty of other professions that hold a lot of information about people, and over have to act as data fiduciaries, and those professions are most notably doctors and lawyers. I mean, if I were to take the client information that people give me lots of their personal information and monetize it somehow I could be I could be disbarred for that. So I, I applaud Senator Thomas for coming forward with such a comprehensive Bill here, and making these broad rules that are that have already applied to certain professions where it's obviously important to safeguard the privacy of client information to, to apply more, generally across the board to every single company. This is going to be a really, really interesting battle to watch. I think come the summer and over the fall, and as you mentioned, it's alright. Facing some staunch opposition from the tech industry. Here's a quote the New York Privacy Act in its current form is unworkable for businesses that want to comply and fails, which is grammatically incorrect and fails to provide New York residents meaningful control over how their data is collected used and protected. If you want to comply fail, then yeah. I guess you are liable. That's that's got a problem with that. Well, apparently Jon Olsen a director for the internet association represents likes Facebook, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, you name it. That's his take on intimate association with these guys. It's not the internet society. Right. Those are those are the good guys, don't know those are the could. Yeah. Absolutely internet association. Well, again, it's, it's an industry trade group that represents the interests of big technology companies and, and fights legislation like this, it tries to remove the teeth from any legislation that would require these particular companies to spend enormous amounts of money on compliance programs that would vary from state to state on the other hand, I understand their plight. I was chief compliance officer of very large multinational corporation for a while. And compliances is a very tricky issue, and it gets extraordinarily expensive, and you have to budget more and more for it every single year and as a giant pain in the butt. But if you're making money hand over fist by monetize ING user data client data. Whatever kind of personal information it is that you're collecting, you are going to have to be responsible for that information. I mean there's no wiggling out of this right now. I think what most of the tech companies are hoping for is that New York passes this law, California passes another law, Missouri, my pass a different law. Massachusetts could pass something that that goes, even farther beyond this, and then we'll have this real morass of compliance. They'll go in and cry to congress that we need federal legislation. And then at some point in twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two they'll have preemptive federal legislation that relies on the FTC to enforce users rights or the. The attorney general of, of the United States to, to bring pro to, to bring civil enforcement actually something like that, that essentially removes the teeth and removes the potential for gigantic legalize -bility here. Now, speaking of people having their data. Intercepted pilfered leaked, whatever this really blew me away the story of the companies that sell car license plate readers used by US authorities to track drivers within its borders collect far more information than than any of us, even imagined. And of course they failed to adequately. Protect that personal data as a recent investigation. Well, maybe a recent hack showed, and that's why you need hackers because they reveal things like this now these license plate readers collect and store information including people's locations, zip codes, even MP three files presumably from individuals computers, invasive technologies and the surveillance state, they reveal or major privacy concern on Thursday, last Thursday, a hacker, using the name Boris bullet. Dodger contacted technology news website, the register providing internal data blogging to a company known as percep- deke's there in the USA designed vehicle identify. Nation and license plate recognition products to serve border control commercial vehicle enforcement electronic toll collection and security industries. That's according to its website, these license plate readers. There are terrifying. According to Chris Garamba, a technologist, who spoke with radio Sputnik. They exist when you go through a toll, if you don't have to stop. They have them on their cops license plate readers on their cars truck companies, have these license plate readers. They all have to connect back to the MVP, the department of motor vehicle databases. So these licensed play generated readers constantly taking data from your car when you're going down the street, or when law enforcement drives down your street, and your parked at home. It's simply incredible. So what the unidentified hackers found. Online is hundreds of thousands of files relating to Cho's locations even images from these license plate readers. It's an unbelievable cache of files and it shows. Exactly what these devices attracting and keeping on us. Let's say they go and see my license plate. They storing that information. They could correlate that with when they see my license plate later on you do that enough. You can figure out that so and so works here. He lives there so many different things that you can figure out by by spying on people in this particular way. And this company, according to this security expert has been so derelict in his responsibility to protect that data that they left, it online open for folks to see so they get sued don't you think? Alex liable guilty. Come on. I think that, that might give rise to a some, some sort of class action is what my, my best just would be here. And certainly, this is the type of action where a company doesn't even reasonably secure its data. This is why private private rights have action exist in these types of legislation is to is to enforce us into discourage this kind of negligent behavior, but we didn't even know that restoring that kind of. Data. Why don't we know this, why don't we know they're storing MP three files? They know things like that things that are on our internal machines attached to cars. Well, did anybody bother asking, do you have to ask exactly what it is that they might be doing? You'll never know they might just tell you this is what we're doing. You didn't have to hack us. We would've just told you. I'm glad they were hacked. I really am and they weren't even hack they left left data lying around. So that's not really being hacked. That's being discovered. I agree with that. I mean, this is this is beyond the pale negligence when it comes to personally, identifying information in license plate data, like this is extraordinarily valuable, where this data rather, if the hackers are the explorers, whatever you wanna call them found this. I mean I'm really curious to know whether the company has been able to identify whether others have seen this in the past as well. Because if, if someone like this was able to find it who knows whether a foreign intelligence agency. Or some other malicious actor threat. Actor was able to identify this information, the foreign intelligence agencies that we I think we should be afraid of people a lot closer to us. We're talking about Chinese phones. I don't care if the Chinese government is spying on the I care for my government to spying on. Well that that too. I mean for overseas listeners a foreign intelligence agency might be around intelligence agencies, but certainly local law enforcement any governmental power that has access to information, I think it could be used for malicious purposes, but, you know, they could get this information anyhow using legal process, if just because this, third party company is storing it. Well, get this, the US government will now require most visa applicants to provide details of their social media accounts before they're allowed into the country this controversial policy came into force on Friday. And this comes from the register another amazing piece from them, as far as we can tell it will require people to provide the URL 's or handles of social media accounts from Twitter and tumbler, Lincoln Instagram and Facebook. No passwords. Requested there'd be kind of weird. But the information must be declared on the DS one sixty application form which needs to be completed to apply to for non-permanent visas to stay in work in the United States, those other forms on what you normally fill out your personal information such as your passport details. So these new online forms asking for Email, addresses and social media handles are something that has just come into effect. What's weird about this is a startling lack of detail over how exactly the policy will be enforced, how any data gathered from social media profiles will be used despite more than a year of debate, including public comment, periods and lawsuits seeking more detail the policy covers visa applicants, which should mean the tourists from thirty eight countries US allows foreigners to visit for ninety days via the electric system for travel authorization. Esta scheme are not impacted by this latest change since December, at least some s to applicants have been asked to provide online handles, so it's not mandatory apparently to comply it gets really kind of confusing there. But it's it's disturbing to think that you will be judged and analyzed, based on what is in your social media accounts. And I also wonder how do they know if you're not telling them that tells me they already know everything about social media? Well, I mean I. It's a perfectly legitimate question. And I think. It really raises the issue of what, what the point of all of this is anyhow. I mean it it's certainly not all that difficult to discover any person social media profile. If you know what their name is right. I mean, it's very, very simple open source intelligence gathering, techniques could discover this, why the, the government requires you to disclose it on on. One hand is somewhat silly to use your name on social media. Why can't you just become somebody else where you can absolutely? And they wanna know that if you know if you're coming here, and you have some kind of alter ego, but, you know, it raises the issue, I mean are, are bad actors who are coming into the country. Really, you know that have been posting on social media on Twitter. Whatever kind of nationalist jingoistic terrorist related dialogue that they've engaging. It doesn't matter what it is. Are they really going to put that down on the form? Is there any way to ensure that this is going to be accurate? I, I have a theory about this particular obligation here and. And I think, you know, maybe we're giving the administration Morever maybe I'm giving administration a little bit too much credit here. But I think that there's a long game here, I think that this will become a mandatory requirement for people entering the country that this is the test pilot program that we're dealing with right now and that non compliance with this requirement or an incomplete disclosure or an inaccurate disclosure of, of your social media profiles handles at cetera. If you're entering this country, and let's say you are here on a visa work visa, you know, spousal visa whatever it is it requires you to be here. Whatever noncompliance are incomplete. Disclosure is will ultimately become grounds or perhaps one factor in determining whether or not to deport you and I think what they're trying to do is make it more burdensome and more costly. And, and, and more administrative for for people to stay in this country and the corollary to that is it gives the administration, more munition? To try to deport individuals later on what, what I think we need to also look at with this is the, the tools that we're talking about here are part of a larger system of surveillance, and they're being used in different ways than say officer would would use a speedometer. I'm sorry, radar detector or some sort of speed measurement device, that is sort of a disparate and disconnected tool that they would use as an investigative thing you know, to say I suspect this person was speeding I've now verified, it the tools in these different ways the automatic license plate reader their network. They're creating data and databases that are used in a much bigger form of surveillance, like in that case, I would say, that's likely just, you know, if someone's being tracked and surveilled for an investigation, that's likely just going to verify. Yeah. And we've had them picked up on this license plate reader in conjunction with a lot of other forms of surveillance. But I think what's being lost here is the human dignity and the right to presumption of innocence because the amount of data that this connected stuff, collects and paint what it actually paints would be the product of, like, maybe months weeks. I don't know what it is. But would be the product of an investigation where there was a suspicion of a crime being done. This treats all of us as though we have done something just by default, there's no trigger. There's no judgment. There's nothing that is brought to bear that would warrant it it's just warranted by default. And I think that really gets at. Socially this, right. That I think we should have. We're not presumed to be criminal. We have that, right? But this for people getting visas, well, if they have the same right presumption of innocence before guilt. I'm not sure that it's the same. I mean, this would be maybe something Alex could speak to. But I think if it was being tested as something they would roll out to everyone is though, he as he was hypothesizing or, you know, putting forward as a potential route that this could go in this is just being used on people that are that are non citizens applying for visas, because, as you said, they don't have exactly the same rights and they, they can be turned away from the country. They can't turn us away from the country. They can investigate us but they can do that without even asking us. They can simply if we use our real names on, on social media, they can be looking into us right now, certainly and I, I think is really onto something here because this is just another data point in his panoply of data point. That may be used for predictive analytics about what somebody may or may not do. And let's say their social media profile indicates that they, you know, were engaging in dialogue subjects x the subjects relate to naturally to something else in the they, they may be rabble-rousers. They may be troublemakers and therefore, they may not be led into the country on the basis of speech that they made God knows when so many years ago, and that, that to me is, is really scary not only because of the implications that Kyle had identified. But because this could encourage some kind of tit for tat type system where countries are going to say, well, if America's requiring that of our citizens, we're going to require that of Americans, and then you have a foreign government asking for the same information. And then, you know how are we going to feel about that? It's not gonna make anybody feel comfortable. That's exactly where I'm going is that this then becomes a diplomatic and a, you know, a new normal for normalized relations. And I think anyone of this traveled, maybe the Canada traveled to the UK. A or in these other places would bay. Maybe say, yeah, border seems a little different or, you know, people are less inclined and to be accommodating, or they're going to be as vigilant as we are and, and doing all the things that they have to do and treat us in kind, the way we're treating other people, and I'm just I'm critical of this as a way to vet people who are playing for visas. I think that's not the country we've we are or should be the way I see it. It's yet another reason not to use OSHA media, so much not to take it. So seriously. And maybe we can go back to living lies. We're not judged based on someone's online detective work. Hey, we're gonna open up our phone lines to one to two zero nine two eight seven seven. We haven't heard from my listeners in a while, because we've been fundraising mode, and now we're not. So it'd be great to hear from you. You can also write to us at twenty six hundred dot com. That's our Email address couple of other interesting stories Ryan Morales. Democratic candidate who's running for a flaw. To house seat covers much of Lake County has claimed Facebook post on Friday that his campaign website had been accessed by Russian hackers. That's right. Morales who's challenging Republican incumbents state Senate state re representatives that is Anthony Sabatini said his website had was was visited by an intruder. He learned soon after that, the hacker registered as an administrator on the site to which is impossible said Morales. My security doesn't allow for that. You know what I think it does. Otherwise, we wouldn't be reading the story. The hacker changed some coding and the websites back in which blocked morale get into his own site. He says, in other website, he manages was also tampered with no personal information was accessed, which she somehow seems to know he says the hackers Email address, Tony sunshine. Sorry stories. I just so funny at yen, dex dot argue and I address trace back to Russia, by both him and his host platform, w engine, of course, you realize that can be faked as well. Yen expert website is a Russia based company that specializes and internet related products and services, including search and information searches navigation online advertising, influencing elections, among others. Now, they don't say that, but yeah, I don't know if they were just trying to shut me down or whatever they were trying to do. They were messing with me, and I guess you don't wanna mess with this guy. Yeah. So it's, it's basically the question being asked, why would the Russians care about this? They don't care about this. Basically, if machines out there, it's going to get touched by somebody somebody's going to try to get in doesn't matter who you are. So don't think that they're the beating in the Kremlin how they're going to flip the house in Florida. They don't care. They don't really care people all over the place machines all over the place, constantly trying security holes, and if there are any, they will find them and just raises an interesting issue to with regard to the attribution of these particular types of activities when it comes to Russia. Everybody's so up in arms right now. So concerned about Russian interference in election activities that anything on tour that happens in anybody site that, that could potentially point back to Russia's blamed on the Russians. Look, there was some very serious election. Interference going on in two thousand sixteen as report documented, we believe this is still going on. One thing I know for sure is that if the GRU is interfering in election related activities, they're not going to register for a WordPress website with a Yann, x dot ru address. That's that goes back to Tony sunshine. I mean, unless of course, the Russians would be so smart as to think that nobody would think that we would ever be so stupid as to do that, that they actually do put in a yen stout. Rupe? Email address in one of the other things I should mention to part of what we do my law firm as we do some thread hunting track, a lot of AP or advanced persistent, events, persistent threat activity. We've seen a, a lot of interesting things happening lately, where we know Russia's certainly is not involved in certain activities, but people are using yen dot ru addresses after a company or an organization compromise to raise a false flag that, that, you know, that untrained eyes might believe that Russia. Is involved. It I I would go so far as to bet, you know, ten or twenty bucks that this was certainly not the Russians when I Email people who my next are you account. I notice that there are a lot more suspicious and not as friendly as it usually are. Yes. Yeah. I would imagine. That's that's true. Actually, it's probably good thing for you. You can't catch my by Email address, totally to one to two zero nine two eight seven seven's. Our phone number open opening up the phones to our listeners who have not heard from in a while like to hear from you. Again, the Twitter accounts of several craft Hines owned brands were hacked Friday as the handles for planters cool, eight and Capri sun, all began churning out nonsensical and even obscene tweets the planters Twitter account, Mr. peanut, followed by six thousand gets these stories thirty six thousand two hundred people and named after planters monocled mascot rattle off a series of nonsensical tweets and a thread that included language at ranged for inappropriate to obscene for a lagoon brand. I didn't know that was a. Vacation there but obscene for a brand there. Yeah. I'm not going to read the tweets. I'm not gonna read what words they use, but they were nasty words and they did gather more attention than they usually get one of the tweets seem to out the hacker claiming this is why max speaking. And that Twitter account was suspended late Friday. And. Basically, they Kraft Heinz spokesperson said, we are aware that several of our brand Twitter accounts were hacked by an external source. We apologize for inappropriate content that was posted through our accounts that may have offended are fans. We've taken swift action to remove these post and are investigating the situation with Twitter to ensure it doesn't happen again. Actually, that is very smart statement you're investigating it Twitter. You didn't call in the FBI to investigate. Why Mr. peanuts Twitter account was hacked? Who cares? Why in God's name is anybody following this to peanut on Twitter? Anyway. The peanut account, by the way. It's typically embraced a casual voice in the past has made it a target of some followers on Thursday. The account published a tweet that read to be or not to be that is the Thursday thought and that prompted seventy eight comments, including a few making smutty references to the brand's namesake. Okay, fine. That's that's on the users. But Mr. peanut, that's what I expect, I expect something a little. Informal. What I also expect from these brands is that they're smart enough now to establish two factor authentication for the social media accounts. It's amazing to me that Mr. peanut does not have to pay established on Twitter. It's not very difficult to set up whatsoever. I mean when they're investigating this Twitter Twitter is going to come back to them and say, well had you had established two factor authentication. This probably would not have happened unless somebody was going to sim, Jack, whoever the social media Representative is that's running the Mr. peanut account, and I don't think people are going to really take that much effort to do something like that just to have Mr. peanut makes them Livia comments. And that is all we are going to say about the Nisar peanut Twitter account. Hey, do we have any listeners left, they nobody's calling? I mean you remember when we used to get a full switchboard just just in a in a second to two zero nine two eight seven seven don't make us check to see if the phones plugged in again. Okay, here's another story. This is titled my Instagram was hacked, and it changed my lazy online habits for good. We have infinite number stories like this. I just take an acute picture of my dachshund Merlin. So like any owner with a social media addiction. I decided to pop it onto my Instagram. No Kylie Jenner, but Instagram full of dogs and interiors. Frocks and skin care was my happy place. I clicked on the app and instead of diving into the site as usual, I hit a page asking for my Email and password I entered both rejected. Try it again. No luck time I thought the send the forgotten password, request at this point, Instagram. And for me that my Email address was not linked to any account, I googled my account and found it. My grid was as I left it with pictures of my family. My home me and my work. But. She couldn't get. But I, I know it's a she I just assumed I don't know when she talked frog. That's something we'll discuss point second of all. You're both sitting on the edge of your seat. You want to hear more, don't you not really? But I'll, I'll Umer you. Well, you're gonna have to pay if you want to hear more, because this is this is what my biggest complaints about Google news. Is that it keeps forwarding sites that want money for reading all the damn stories? And I am I supposed to pay for this comes from the telegraph, from the UK muscles to pay every single newspaper in the world to read their stories. You know what I don't care we will know how this turns out and how about Google? How about you only direct people to stories that they can actually read instead of just pay walls, constantly, it's useless. And if anyone has a substitute for them, I'd like to know what it is. Because I miss the days where you had a news aggregation that actually directed you to news and not to all kinds of ads and demands for money. All right listener. Good evening, your on off the hook. Go ahead. Something's definitely up with our held on when it's definitely this board speak up a little bit more. Go ahead. That it's better. Yes. Why was among sign as winter for thirty seconds before I hang up, then I got it, right. Busy signal. And then Finally I just got on now. Welcome to Tele-Communications in the twenty-first century here at. That is, and you're calling that number two one two two zero nine two eight seven seven. We'll folks call that number. You want to hear some weird sounds, I guess. Where are you calling from Manhattan to lure in Manhattan? That's kind of far away. I think our phone only works in Brooklyn. Nolde crooked line which, which I'm fighting hard to retain. Oh, wow. Why do you sound? I don't know fence. You sound terrible. I call him a car. You know, they had them this show before landing the, the minds decay. Play hardball. Aren't they? You hang onto that, that copper line like grim death because. Migration list. All right. We admire your spirit and your Tanasugarn, and we hope it works out. Let's take him a phone call. Good evening off the hook speak up. This must be one of those new fiber lines so clean. He can't hear anything. We had all these lines ringing. They all disappeared. That's what communication gets you. Uh-huh. All those lines got transferred to our general manager because they still haven't fixed the phone where it doesn't do that. So if you just called up while you have to call mmediately back because we only have a minute left. At least we got socked to guy in copper mine. That's what it sounded like it didn't here on off hook. I thought he said. Called me up and said they're going to disconnect the phone. If I switch. Wow. And we had to do around the clubs from somebody. They the guy then switch and they cut off his number only with working, it sounds like the mob the way that they calling people up and giving them dark threats over the phone and enforcing those threats. Could be done. I call the public service commission that says variety things I'm really sorry about that. And the only thing I can suggest that is, you know, may I came up and saying this, but maybe go with the cable company, and it's not copper, but it's also not wireless. And you're not giving into Verizon that way. As cheaper. Yeah. We've suggested looking into smaller carriers you might be able to transfer your phone number, and maybe those smaller carriers are able to keep the connections up given their large customer base. The other thing is maybe you could go out in with some tree, pruning and help them cut. We one more listener. Good evening. You're off the hook. From the Bronx. I like to say that with subways that concern. I wish they, they wouldn't put in this new system is I think it's I think it's another wacky wacky logic, that they've come up with. They there's a lotta people paying phase that made people they keep raising the fares, go up. There's, there's a lot of people that are just desperate and then they go in the blame they say, well, we just gotta put in this new system, make things go right? And the more they put in these items, the more chaos of loves he. That's all I can see. All right. Well, thanks. Thanks inside. We're going to reflect on those words and check back in a few years and see if that is, in fact, what happened, but technology marches on sometimes into the fire sometimes into a better place. We'll see that's gonna do it for us here tonight. You can write to us at twenty six hundred dot com and remember their twenty six hundred meetings this Friday everywhere, and it St. day tomorrow. So here's a special tribute to that good night. Day. Reason. Jay. And you'll be. Does. 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"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on spotify apple podcasts. Podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You PODCASTS Steve. Walsh show is brought to you free today by our friends. At Bet online the casinos may be closed but the bet online casino never closes let them bring Vegas to you get into mixed but online dot. Ag and use the Promo Code. Podcast one for your fifty percent. Welcome bonus bet on. Land your online sportsbook X. Birch and exclusive partner of podcast Sports Net podcast one dot com production from Hollywood California by way of the broken. Sco Ranch this is the Steve Austin. Show Gimme a hell. Yeah yeah now. Here's Steve Austin Three. Sixteen gimmicks studio here you you when you put it in the address on your LAV researching gimmicks people all over. The world could devastate keeping three sixty and chemistry. My phone says address does not exist. Because you right here in front of me. Welcome to Korea. But it's good to see your assets good to be good to be here man. I feel honored under a lot of pressure though. Wait under no pressure. Because I was thinking I was thinking. How do you start off conversation with my old travel partner and a good friend and Guy? Who's been down the road as many miles? I have an you drove up as at a park in front of the driveway because Parkin's tight and drove up. That's what we're starting a car. Let's do it. Everybody knows you're GONNA cheap. His cats in the history of business and I say that. With all due reverence. Yeah because I'm number two rows behind you so you come crews another brand new two thousand fourteen white dodge challenger. I thought you gonNA stop. It's twenty four zero two eight so glad to see you treat yourself with a little style. There was a defining moment in my life. And I'm GonNa I you know I don't swear much we'll do whatever you want. I'm going to drop one for you. Guys very seldom do the talking in first person either but I remember my third day in the company you know W W I. I didn't have much relationship with Vince for a year. Or so you know like Hello Miss Man. How are you doing you call in the beginning and then I then? I went so many years calling him vince that I remember going back. It took me years to figure out. This is going to go all the way back to when Vince had the the explosion. Where Mr McMahon had died and I wasn't happy about it and at that time I had the stroke to say something. That stroke is long gone but I went up to him and I said Vince. I got a call from a soldier who really was blown up and he was worried about you and I got a call from a little boy who really is dying and he was worried about you. This is an incredibly poor taste. Because Mick Vince McMahon didn't die Mr McMahon and I said do you think our audience of course they do it was right then then I realized what he was talking about like a year earlier when we're doing alive to live backstage interview as it was why she would have caught it and I was calling for Vince and he said what did you call me. Vince. Like I never knew where he was going with where he was going with it was. He's Mr McMahon and I had no idea they were two separate people right so yes. We're going back to ninety six. I'm in a new and the company and he comes up to talk to me and he sees me putting something on my back like a little kid finally backs nothing would have been your back and he prize out of my handbook. That says America's sleep cheap cheap sleeps how to stay around the country for less than thirty dollars a night because that was prime on my mind. You know at that time. I know I want my Ronald is going to bed. Pretty Good Faith. A lot of experts. It wasn't going to be long at all now so I was saving every dime I could and it finally got to a point where I was in somewhere in west. Virginia wrestled the undertaker. I'm not on top of them. Second from the top you know and comes time for me to find a place to sleep and I pay twenty five dollars cash. No credit cards accepted. You have to go around. He's Martin Lawrence Kit's ash and I lay down on his bed. The bed just sags underneath my way. Twenty five dollars cash and I just looked up at the ceiling and I said out loud I said. What are you doing here? You're Cactus fucking Jack Talk Adverse Burson. Call myself by my Gimmick Name and cursed out loud and went over the guy and I told him that that wasn't going to support my back and I went and I and I got like a fifty dollar room. I went from the One star bullied to the twos two and a half three star level and and I realized you know that man maybe those those glory days were tripling up in the lodge you know they make for great stories but I was going to have to invest in myself a little bit better so although I would have loved to show a car that would have place you. First and foremost in. My mind is comfort of the driver's seat. We're talking off air by the fact that I went on a fifteen date tour. Fifteen cities and fifteen dates. Suzanne run eleven states ninety two hours of driving and I need that good front-seat seat and if you're you're CACTUS fucking CACTUS. I've already dropped one f-bomb I try to use one in an hour when I do my show. And it's you take whatever's in the lot if you're a national guy you know you get your pick once you've got the club. Yeah I WANNA hurt. Yeah yeah advert pick of seven or eight things. Suv they had a couple of other things. Cars are too small on a new dodge. The prime I got it while we go to movie you parked the wrong wilmer. Driveway got spun that thing I ever driven challenge sweet ride very nice u-haul as good thing buckled up. Yeah Oh you know what I saw everybody. Is You got your phone. I saw your technology and you you go way back before cell phone. Yeah you got your roadmap over there you type in a destination on your iphone you gotta physical roadmap the listen to the Steve Alton show so you're so young that you don't know that a paper map actually exist and you look on the highways and byways shows you how to get places Mick Foley Cactus Book and Jack has a real gold map on his passenger seat. You don't see how many of you you don't see them on his. I usually travel with one but there are times. You know you have to verify you. Type in your your. Gps You get the thing and then check it. Just yeah. Sure it's okay because I've been out there. I'm sure you have to The GPS takes on a mine of its own. And you end up going a long way man. My brother-in-law's going Chico. California from sparks Nevada says. Hang on Ellis road. It's a dirt road when a quarter mile down at things they do a u-turn. I trusted this lady and we took the long way around and sure enough about six seven eight miles later on right hand side to Rose Ellis road. It was a shortcut. And we did it. Take you so it proved as it kind of blew up on face element. I'm over there. All the state of California so at least need to know where I'm going. I think that no c word is and let's talk about the state of California. Because you here right now at my house right now and you think's GonNa do a show and Pasadena but as the show drops you going to be in Brea California the fourteenth you're GonNa be in Ventura California on the Fifteenth and the Sixteenth. A double shot thirty first of August Denver Colorado Thirteenth September Farmingdale New York Sixteenth September Maple Ridge BBC Seventeenth September able don't see eighteenth September Vernon BC nineteenth September Kamloops B C Twenty September Prince George. Bc TWENTY-FIRST GRANDPARENT BC twenty-third Edmonton Alberta. An Lloyd Minister Alberta on the twenty four and it goes on and on and on all you gotTa do is go to Real Mick Foley Dot Com to see where Jack that where if you WANNA go check out his show. My question to you is do. What are you doing you stark raving crazy? You're supposed be kicking it now. He works your `self off. You beat up your body now chairs to the head. You should be kicking back picking your spots. You hit on have odds hard. You know the dates are coming in. I've been working on this for five years. I went from where I couldn't get anybody to go to the show. I mean it was frustrating. I'd do a book signing and I'd have a good line. I do a minor league baseball game dateline when I asked me. Hey you're going to go to my my show. I could tell people were lying to me about creating chooses not to go to the show because it. It doesn't seem to make sense. It seems like a giant leap would actually is like a little sidestepping all these guys and they really do. I never should've called the comedy. Should've gone spoken word right. Shoulda coined a phrase like W W with so what was in store regressing centric storytelling show. That's hard to put on a marquee that there are large humorous. But don't have to be right. I can make a porn. I can get a little and I make sure if I'm going to get sensitive or sentimental that I got something really shallow lined up to dip my toe into and I'll make points you know all I try to cover some serious territory but I also got a sears territory. I mean is there any life lessons in Iraq because I mean God Dang? With many times we've been around together out lot of our friends that have died drugs bullshit stuff like Atta meeting getting life lessons in your show man. I mean in one or paying to see that they wanted to just hear McCain. I used to say I WANNA make people think as much as I wanna make laugh and then when I get a real look at the economy and how tough some people had. It became a big believer in the power of the smile. Like you know what they can get the heaviness somewhere else. It's like with my books. People picked up little lessons about life. I'M NOT GONNA force a lesson on people the one lesson I try to pass on as you don't let the situation define for you. What being successes like I always wrestlemainia moments? Become part of like it's part of the lexicon refer to things as wrestlemainia moment. I had I think where I was doing a Santa Claus appearance because I have a weakness is You know for Santa and I was doing it for a friend of mine. Who has a side project with Norah? Jones I come in I show up late. I almost laughed personnel loud the GPS. Tell me. I'm on the Brooklyn Queens Expressway and I can see the over. May APPs on the verge of leaving and I looked in the mirror and I said if you don't go back in there and I got my beer bleach rainman. Yeah Skins all underneath you. Don't go back in there. Do the best job you can. You don't deserve to wear this and so similar lessons what you doing in wrestling. And then when I walked in it was like it was like entering the land of is you know and I walk up there. I say Milo piece Nor Jones goes to sing silent night and I'm looking at a microphone and or Jones about eight feet away from me and I thought myself. If you don't walk up there starts singing silent. Santa Claus Rican Rican Jack and that was like I'm looking at is about four hundred people there and it's like this is a wrestlemainia moment. This is spills as good as anything ever did inside the ring. That's really the only lesson I have is that you can take a guy who used to perform in front of tens of thousands and put them in some case in front of tons of times. Usually in the hundreds I need double digits. They have a good time. You can't have a single crowd. But I'm I'm I'm enjoying it and I go back. I have to go back to two thousand and I was the commissioner to think of a time when this much thown and from from just a financial perspective and one of the problems. You were probably like me. I said wonder the JR and I've stayed friends all these years. Because I was not shy about making that two zero three phone call when I thought the paycheck to this alive last any of the boys out there listening to this podcast got rattled cage sometimes in regards to payoffs and another quick segue always tell gas. He's these youngsters coming up. Always ask the house. No you're spot on the card who you work with damage. When it comes to bug for promotion you will have concrete evidence and you will have learned the system continue east. I know I know we're GONNA go off and a lot of segues here and but I know people want to hear us talk wrestling and you had zach on a few weeks ago and I just. I felt like I had to write something about the Zack Ryder case and I was going to call it. The tragedy Zack Ryder. And then I watch the evening news and saw real tragedies I and I'm calling it the sad case of sad story. Zack Ryder the saddest. Part about that whole situation is when I asked him what happened. He said I don't know I said you never asked. And he shook his head and he said No. And it's like it's almost expected like you need the big tasks like above and beyond what you can do in the ring. You need to make that knock on the door in state your case. In his in his situation he had a rock solid case. He going to merchandise. He got himself over on Youtube. Yeah I mean you know show. Yeah I'll is e C and people responded say maybe didn't have legs that the tweet. Yeah he would have to. But you need to give some giants. Yeah Kid got himself over and and so that is a lesson for everybody there. Is that You know when you first come in. Of course you're humble and you expect you know you're you're you're happy to be there but the business doesn't do well with guys who are just happy to be. You got to paint a target on another guy ups back and go after that guy you gotta take up a spot. I mean you don't really this is me looking back and reflecting But I mean as you were God. We went down the road. Together with Hungary's ill literally. We are starving. Always always trying to make it one notch on card. I mean when you grew up as a fan of the business and Jack Lives on Long Island before we roll out in Long Island. Anyway you just want you want to be a pro wrestler right. Yeah you're always the main event you know what Steve. I'm going to the different categories. I've been told for so many years. I just didn't accept that that was my day program. You they beat you down so many naysayers but but I I never I never saw myself as being a champion like I honestly when you say was my program a success like a you are. We wrestled you. Were going onto the you know you were going on to the next next big thing. When I had the rock it was because he was about to wrestle you I I knew my role and I accepted it to this day when people say like don't do you think you don't get you don't do does it bother you. Don't get enough credit. You know you're not up there with the. I think you do get cry. Naysayers while you're in trench. Oh yeah a lot of them. Yeah same but the the the the endgame was making it making a contribution and then having the best possible matches could whether and then decided whether or not the guy that I worked. The program was with more worth more to the company. I I saw I honestly I saw myself as a as a role player up until you know ninety you know until I got the WB and and saw ninety ninety six. I can compete with the big boys. I remember taking that plane. Ride from my. I try out and I was a little bit intimidated and I had to sit back and think we're second. I wrestled with about two thirds of these guys. You know like yeah. I'm going into business with the undertaker but deep down. He's the same guy road with like six years six years ago against it changes that much had level. Pep Talk to myself. That's an it's an intimidating situation. So then tell me these phone calls you would have Jim Ross. Change must be personally. I use the word lexicon I come back with different asleep. This is a wrestling broadcast. There's some some bitch. What the fuck are they talking about? That they could tell about steel tears to this day. I can't say that word trepidation. Without thinking of you I was like why. Are you being served trepidation? Even used it in my hall of fame. Speech Trepidation number one bestselling. All they were hesitant. I got trepidation from Randy Macho man savage Promo trepidation is the word of the day and went on to discussing his match with whoever it was a time. Tell me about these phone calls with Jim. Ross how heated would they get? Because I talked to Jim all the time and he says you talk she loves to death. Obviously yeah So wonderful did you stand. You're fairly hot fairly fairly heavy. But not too frequently right so they always made something. They always made a difference. They're always meant something. When I called pissing a motor in every paycheck biggish bots somewhere around ninety eight. I think when I when I realized that I was a I think I realized I was a player for the world. Got The message you know right at on that Monday night. Show where we're all the people. Turn the channel and You know I did stay case in. Vince respected that. Jr would go to the vents and then they were usually built simple extra in a couple of cases. You know a lot of extra extra money and I think that was. His big battle is anything. You'd be part of the ring which is fighting for what you thought you you were worth you know and speaking of what you were when. I came into the WWF. Ringmaster I I'd been down in WCW. And I'll talk about ww money. When I love fair made about two seventy five my first year in the WWF amid about one hundred grand lesson that then. I started getting hot that next year. Yeah and real hot coming on pretty fast and this was back in the day when they would bring Your W. Two or ten ninety whatever your tax return forms at the bill and hand it to you and it was TV taping a Monday night raw. I remember like it was yesterday a miniature things. I forgot from all of steel chairs. I remember this. I got my ten ninety nine or whatever you call. It looked at it. It said X. amount of dollars man. I thought I'd really smoked everybody's ass that porn come up the curve and my paid-in reflect that and I was walking around and pretty bad mood and jr comes up to me. Goes what's going on as managers. Got My gimmick. I said I don't believe this what I made. I should have made this. Well let me talk to you. Oh man he went Tokyo man. You'll man made up the difference and that was my big boost on the way to starting to make the coin that would come back in the day but a voice you know unstated my case and was pretty firm on it. Because I thought I'd had a killer here. Yeah and so but that was my first case. Really haven't start bucking for a promotion. But if you don't Bu- nick to youngsters out there you gotta buck because you gotta learn. Let me open up a can of figurative. What Bass here have you seen? drew McIntyre since he left. Wb what need just on TV while ago in Scotland. Oh she's got Ta Ni- Nice Kid right nice young man and seemed to be about where he should have been on the on the card he Reached out to me via social media. You know what do you think I should do? I said watch Watch WB countdown And Watch what Paul Heyman says about. Stone Cold Steve Austin when he left. Wcw How Paul Secret Wise? He took that anger that you had the frustration and let you channel it into something productive. I said watch that and learn from it and a couple of weeks later I get this thing he said would you be. Would you be willing to watch something? I said. Sure I'LL GIVE IT A. I'll give it a view tomorrow and then when I say that I who knows maybe weeks before you know what I owe a kid to watch sing now and it was like watching a different human being said. Do you think drew. Dalloway real name has that inside of my said no no. He's a mid card guy. Love Month embiid. Not a main event. Guide never will be an ten minutes check. Change my mind and and I'm not knocking. Wwe because they were working with what they thought they had. But I think he's somebody in the same way that when I left. Ww both ninety and ninety four and wanted to come back as a as a different guy to be taken more seriously. He's somebody I think the company's Ion because I was like wait a second I forgot this guy. Succession is two hundred seventy pounds. He's ripped he's a legit forget. He's a good looking kid right and I've never seen a dose in a thimble full of aggression in them and it was like all their in Scotland. I mean feeding off the crowd and announcers calling it like a like a match. It was really exciting and it. Just it that idea that if you you know if you're not happy with your your your lot in life you you you you do something about it and I think I just wanted to make a point on your show your show carry some weight you know this is like I wanted to write a wanted to write a post about it but if you go over a couple of hundred words on a post people lose interest and so If you're out there you know people check that out. You'd be shocked at how how how good that kid can be twenty nine years old. He comes back in a year or two as a man instead of a kid and doesn't let people remember him the way he was. You've probably seen you've seen good wrestlers. Come in and they just seemed almost physically shrivel. The rings a little bigger. Everybody's six six to seventy unless you got your head that you absolutely positively belong there you just talent. You shrivel up. Psychologically I'm talking to the Legend Mick Foley. We're talking about all kinds of bullshit here down. 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I've just entertain people I mean and it's about nothing. It's almost like a Seinfeld show Seinfeld and with great respect Jerry. Seinfeld took my neighbor. His statement paragraph conversation. Nothing but so people want to hear US talk about wrestling. Let's talk about it. Your physicality throughout your career was off the charts extremely high threshold for pain all the bumps that you probably paying the price for him. Now how you feeling? It's been a tough couple years honestly really has You know I didn't know we didn't know nearly as much about concussions first of all and I thought a concussion when something knocked you out throwing up and so I guess that had six and we come to find out that it's not just the major blows it's those cumulative blows including body Bose. Who would've known like who who would have ever guessed a backdrop on the floor? Say Can you imagine a neurologist orthopedic Guy Looking at a backdrop and a concrete floor and slow-motion? What does your body and you think about. I remember wrestling you at House shows backdrop. And you number one guy in the business and you're taking backdrops and the concrete at house shows because you were doing what you thought. You had to do tonight to pop that crowd. In retrospect man. Maybe you know. Maybe some of those decisions weren't that sound especially post two thousand four. That would have started catching up to ninety nine. I remember hunter. Actually saying to me like a volume must be like falling apart one hundred zero. He's he's actually moving around pretty good. That was like ninety eight. Yeah within about a year and it was. I was like a different human being everything hurt. I get caught up Mother Nature and Father Time. Kick my ass in a hurry. Have mother brother But you have any major surgeries yet. Did you have anything replaced? You know what? Here's the pro. Here's the problem. I went to a top. Well the neurologist. GimMe the two of them kind of this proud of this. I wanted on my epitaph. Dr Cantu from the Boston Center for Traumatic. Encephalopathy told me in no uncertain terms that I could never go in the ring again. I looked at one of the top just of the I said I can work an entire match around my left knee. That's a great wrestler line right like I can work at tire match on my left knee and he just looked he looked to Mesa Mr Folly. When you were in my office two weeks earlier struck me as a bright young man. He said I've been doing a little readings. You got a lot going on because if you think you could find another neurologist to clear you that's up to you but I'm telling you as a as a neurologist you should never be in the ring again and it was like. It was like an enormous weight off my shoulders. It really was myself because someone gives you a reason to walk. The ball was taken out of my court. It's almost like a boxing match where the guy throws in the white the White House for you. Yeah and I had the talk with edge six weeks later you know. I was driving through the mountains. North Carolina's edge lives somewhere. Here gave him a call and he was like a total peace with that decision because he realized coming back means risking paralysis. It's not a matter guts. You can't do it and I think guys like us. You need that guy telling you you can't do it because otherwise you will be sitting there. I probably could have had a good match with Dean. Ambrose right ten minutes you know with all the bells and whistles. I'M GONNA call undertaker say can I please for one match? I come up through the ranks. I had it all had all everything aligned up and I thought we had a heck of a match so it was easier for me to have the ball taken out of my hands and kind of walk over the bench and sit down what I was in Seattle resume. Nineteen drinking a little bit living to too many times. I won't tell it again. Went to hospital at nine. Am which harbors going crazy timothy speed. Stacks Moshe it and they put four liters of fluid amounts dehydrated didn't give the clearest to wrestle the next day but I was going to because of the rush may nineteen and I knew I had to hang them up and so I had to go to work. Because that's what we do your work. I remember showing up. Man Jason. The Guy who works. Wwf had to place lit up. It was beautiful building. You know they're in that arena there Katie and all the gang was there road with me. I was in a real Might have been someone who looked at me wrong or talking about damn they wanNA start crying because this is my last match limited. Got chance to tell everybody Because I needed to write off sunset because my guy said they. Do you need to get out of dodge and you need to do it now? So when did it but I remember rocky meal with three rock bottoms? Last one lay there at one two three and man. It was just like what you said. A weight was lifted off my back because it didn't go out there and put anything on line anymore and don't get me wrong. I would have kept doing it but someone the ball out of my hands so I felt that relief. Yeah and IT WAS. It was then. It was Steve. It's okay to go now because dot to say you need to get your ass out of here. Yeah so I felt like I felt relieved and now when I look back. I'm up twelve thirteen years removed and allow think if I never would've had to neck issues. I probably could have made Lisa five six. Now's pretty fiscal Bob. Yeah Yeah Oh yeah crazy much like you but a snap back bumper but now I think had I stayed in the business. 'cause I feel pretty decent right now but there are days. I feel like Shit. I'm think I would feel more like shit. Had I got that extra five or six so I'm probably cool. I am cool because I got all the business out of my system. Yeah was riding after the sunset when I did I had the sunset exit in two thousand and I had the sunset exit in two thousand four and I had it in two thousand and six. It was just I. Couldn't you know like who knew the economy was GONNA fall apart? You know like wait a second so not only is the money. I saved like not going. It's losing money in a like. And they were his sense that I'd just written a second novel which the world did not exactly you know. Line up to buy and I was like I can make as much money for a comeback match. Carlito like there was still a market right for a for a Mick Foley match. You know even if it wasn't a main event match is still something there and I kept going to that well and you know man if I could have taken a racer rewritten history. You know anything. Post two thousand six would have been off the record for sure. So what about all this stuff with Christopher Nowinski the brain institute? Whatever it's called I said I just don't know what it's called Boston Center for traumatic encephalopathy. Have you just say that continuously the can continue to say it correctly? I know he's still got a couple of times and I do? I want to do next year. Show I want to deal with some of the the the the head head trauma and I've dabbled in a little bit where I've said as long as I continue. Say The words Boston Center for traumatic flop. The I know I'm okay and a couple minutes later. Come back to the Boston Center for traumatic sympathy. And the I'll start coming up with different ways to screw up the name and it's an uncomfortable after because not everybody understands asking it up on purpose and it's kind of like a clever thing where you're getting the last for a few people like. I don't know if I'm supposed to be this guy's expense right and that's one of the things I'm looking for is like how how if I do want to make a serious statement in my show. How do I do it? And I've talked to Brennan Burns. Who's a brilliant comic from Australia and knows the wrestling business really has real good field wrestling? But if it wasn't for the fact Vince would personally hate him. And having thrown out by the end of the first day he'd been outstanding asset to the writing team and I asked him about that and he's like mate. You're GonNa get that series you gotTa Kill Killer Final fifteen and don't have a way to go from there but it's like you drive down the road. It reminds me so much of like coming up with a match for pay per view. You know like you got your your you get your sections. You got your moves especially for me. I had a limited set of moves and I had to keep thinking of different ways to combine them. Throw them in. You know different ways of making the matches exciting. And when it clicks the same way that you know the match would come together and click and you'd have that vision in your head. It's it's the same feeling of fulfillment I'm not there yet. I don't know how to I don't know how to do next year. Show yet. So how's the gray matter inside your cranium you you fucked up well you know it's it's GonNa be a waiting game. I'm donating memory. Lapses here now. Sometimes I can't I joked my damn wife as hell man sometimes Christian faster. I Kraus Room as soon forget. Why Cross it off leading modem? I get but I can't say that that's because I got hit with a bunch of steel chairs because I was a handsome guy. Probably had you know two to three concussions. Due to activity and ring just above gone wrong. Yeah so I can't chalk it up myself up and I got lit up playing football now here there a few times when they asked me how many times you've seen stars that's what would you mean like hundreds of this. You're telling me and I say stars. You See Constellation. I really used to wrestle. Undertaker in the night of charge them in that corner a bring up the the boot the chair in my hands and the percentage of people who would have known the difference between real contact and some space would be so minimal but to me if it did. If I didn't feel stars wasn't doing it right right going back in time I would have had that you know. What would it have hurt? Put not only the hand up between the my chair and when that boot but to put that chair up when those when those chairs were travelling at high speed make you went to wrestling school. And and at the core you're beginning was with Dominic Ghanouchi correct right now in the school of professional wrestling. Two questions how long was the wrestling school? And did you learn how to take a chair shut? It says no to questions all. It's the second one I know there was never. I cherish okay. We'll get the rest of the wrestling talk about a chair shot because all of a sudden there I was in Dallas Texas to go down and Tennessee and I'm forced to use a steel chair. Because as an angle ensues progresses you get in your first angle inevitably share will come into your hands on your head you gotta take or receive it. You've been trained to do either one. No neither one now so What was your experience with the Steel Chair in Dallas? That one clunky steel chair like no one even thought. Hey why don't we go to department store and buy steel chairs? Even when I remember wrestling staying at beach blast and part of the reason we did well as because I went and searched the arena and found steel chair. You know sit at a match earlier on. They went to his chair and they had that horrible cushioned chair with ashes. That looks awful it because it looks to the crowd like first of all those shares are heavy. They hurt your vertebral structure to the crowd because they have a pad on them. The that doesn't hurt on Saad. So then you have to go to the core steel chair exactly and no no. The one we had in Dallas was awkward. Rust all over at ACIS Shit and the first one of the first times I I took a chair. I broke my my putting my hand up and the lesson I took from that was my head was harder wrong lesson but also keep in mind that at that time you know you would work. You are working to gimmick you were working to character and I had an act was on me in a good way. Come on Jack you show our yeah goes put your so nice to the fans you know that was my weakness when you're in a territory every week you're doing a Saturday. People get that part of what I talk about during my current show and I and I and I and I love talk about. I love the show. I try to figure out ways every night to make it better but I talk about that. Almost like collective realization. You know after a certain point where you'd see all the wild moves and I had the is which always get put a question mark and people's minds but it would be like about that six month mark of you'd watched for six months steadily and then I'd come down with that elbow. I look in. That camera was almost like you can feel people going. He's a nice guy like they would. Oh you got that. I would choose crazy what I mean as and I I was helped. In W W the mask right which only recently came defined out through. Bruce Prichard was really just vince his way of hiring me while covering up my face was not meant as a deep psychological ploy it was just jr. Jr waging a steady campaign on my behalf. And finally Vince slamming his hand down at a meeting. On all right dammit. I'll bring him in covering up his face. Sa- quote that issue would have stunned a little beard. And all your good looking do not. Yeah I mean you're straight as you're looking dude. I was not a bad guy and I had to do a lot with smoke and mirrors and that goes back to creating that image in sports or you would go up and that Bill Carville and big Mike Flood. How bill walking you up that that really rope. That would keep the ads like it was it was. It was big around. This core goes to my Mac laptop computer and that rope barrier said to the people. Do not stay here. Wrestlers over there. It was the most unsafe environment history the wrestling business. But it was great. It worked for the Sports Sports. You look back and all the missed opportunities. Nobody taking a guardrail. Shoot somebody into the rope. White clothes on. Take me into the guard rope. But I would lock up after bill would lead me in. There'd be like that twenty foot walk from the isle to the Dressing Room. And to the day it was torn down. There was a section. That was almost completely dented. When I would come back from my matches you'd have ten or twelve people looking at you. I Would Slam my head five six times in there because the idea was those ten people would tell ten other people and you'd be really is crazy and sometimes I mean I would. I WOULDN'T I. Would I knew where the beams were? At least I thought void beams. Usually I missed him. Sometimes I wouldn't write looking back now in in in ninety seven. My back really seized up on me and I was really struggling but needed to give people What I thought. They deserve as far as a physical match considered like ours. Okay I can't take the bumps that that I'm known for. How do I create the illusion of wildness and this was in? Www that let's go back to two world class championship wrestling because you broke into the business in what year. Broken in eighty five eighty five by the time you got down to world class. I mean well you might have been before but I remember paying ticket to see rescue there. I was and I was in Chris Adams School. Yes you saw me Verse Day News Nest. This is another Statement of where. My head was out at the time. I've been I've been gone from home for seven or eight months I could have easily said. Can I have one week off to go back home and see my family really would not have been an issue but in my head there needed to be a reason? Why wasn't it the TV? In retrospect how many people would have cared? How many flags would have been raised? Why isn't CACTUS JACKET TV? I thought I needed a reason. And the reason was I'm going to be stretchered out and for the twenty five dollar. Fry Saturday morning payoff. I took the Nestea plunge off that ring apron and you could actually see. That's what I'm getting at lunch. Yes bidding up spitting coughing up gobs of blood and then Akbar cuts the Great Promo. Where he goes. The Marc Lawrence's. We'll get active nevermind. Expensive Shirt told me later. You know that's always plant that seed like that. He did down. Didn't care about his guys instead of going home. You know I'd carried out. I wasn't GonNa let anybody see me walk out of that arena. I was going to wait until so many hours. That elapsed that there would be nobody to see me leave when I got power bombing the concrete by veteran WCW. I left my car in the parking lot for six weeks because that was the type of thing that made a death. I didn't tell the summit at that not all day. He'd have been gone three days seventy two hour days when you used to drop elbow are the let me. Just make the point was. That's why I was in the Crow's nest because I didn't want anybody to see me leaving sports oriented and I just happened to be there on the day that class began. And you know you know the way. A wrestling group School as many as you can kind of cast off just about almost all the guys almost immediately and sometimes you're GonNa make a mistake as people write me but there are all right. Got That thing going on and obviously turned out to be you know but I remember going go. I WANNA go back. You drop an elbow off because I mean yours on one side. It's yeah because crosses here drop it right there. I'm sitting here drawing table and mixed saying yes. So it's true you just can't see it audio video. I gotTA learn that. We'll get cameras in here one of these days. What made you decide to take that leap of faith onto concrete way back in the day and was it because that was who cactus. Jack was was he out of control crazy willing to inflict damage on a person. Harvey he could or were you looking at. Its core when you start doing that to be noticed by somebody to get a push. I brought Robert Fuller is one of the first guys had faith in me. I think you had about as good a time in Memphis as I did. You know I learned a lot too. Yeah I didn't like it. I've since made Peace Randy hales right. He brought me and my family. The circus I realized a valuable learning experience. You go in. You know your opponent is until you get you know you. You see your name on the Chuck Bryant you walk out there. You haven't seen the guy. I haven't talked to him putting a match together. You're learning as you go. I learned a lot but I wasn't treated particularly well. There and Robert was the guy who had faith in me and Robert saw me. Tak- I'm going to drop a second bomb on us. A story is a noteworthy lines. Leashed Robert saw me. Take that Nestea plunger spot show for twenty five dollars payoff and man that that concrete just about knocked me out and opened up a nasty wound on the back of my head and I went back in and looks like a pussies in on your head and I don't know whether digital fucking do Robert Village I've never asked anybody for an instant replay on my life. Repeat that again mother. Slow motion looks like a big Old Pussy on your head Jack. I don't know whether to stitch it or fucking ridiculous thing I've ever heard but on the way home e told me listen son. That's that's a mighty impressive bomb. And I'll stop trying to Roberts. Voicemail was impressive Bomb you gotta you gotTa Take You. Take care of yourself. You have to do these things in their meaningful couple of weeks. Later we're driving and Roberson Lille in Memphis and he's Robert Great Mind and it just wasn't clicking days like I don't know what to do man easy he didn't WanNa blow off the the the angle and the first week you know. He was looking for a way to do a return match on rob. I have an idea. And what was the program? This is Jeff Jared has got Roberts. Okay you know so. We had the loaded boot in. We knew there was gonna be trouble and answer to any of my Steve Austin shows of listeners out there that don't know what a loaded Buddhism. What is it about of what the Fox unloaded boot. He actually had some kind of apparatus sewn into the sole of the BOOT and he would kick jingle and then he would use it and they'd be like when Cornet had to tennis racket. Sometimes they would load that thing. Out They'd put a horseshoe in the covers. That's that's loading and putting a foreign object or a piece of steel allegedly or sometimes for a shoot and an object so Robert Fuller Motor boat. Jeff Jared gun hold a loaded boot. Minu THERE'S GONNA be trouble but in Memphis you have to come back four or five times. You're there every week. You had to think of a way to come back next. Monday and Robert was looking for a way to the next Monday without blowing off the program in the first week and And I was riding with Robert. Had anybody else in the territory. I said I've got an idea. I probably would have been just ignored. Shunned and he goes with them. Let me hear it and I and I said well. I think this might be the time that Nestea plunge and as it turned out I didn't know at the time that you know. The wrestling fans had their annual convention in the Observer was there and I ended up taking that nesty plunging in front of like the hard core you know observer fans right and I guess it left a pretty lasting memory and there was a there was lot of and it was. It was a pretty wild scene but it was the right bump for that show and then every time when especially when I turn baby face we were looking for ways to create that type of impact from a selfish point of view. Though I realized wait a second I need to have something offensive like I can't. This can't be my calling card. Is that everything I do? Yeah like how to write hill. How do I take that willing? Nissim ABILITY TO ABSORB PUNISHMENT. And Make It work for me. Offensively and And I wanted to be the Guy. I was a superfly fan. You know I. I used to in one of my my first memories in in College Is always looking out at this Houses Party a sophomore in college right before a couple of months before ended up Meeting Ghanouchi and I was like just looking at the The the house next door guy comes over my good friend of mine. Who's looking at US it sink? If I dove off the top of that roof with that garbage Cambrai fall like I always wanted a needed to know. There was something that was with that. Break my fall all right. If I dive off of this sand Dune with the waves coming out with those three inches with that break my fall I WANNA be a superfly. Guy. I couldn't I couldn't balance on the I couldn't balance on the BRO. And you couldn't do anything as good as Jimmy did. I have firm believer. Why be the second best? It's something I was just talking today on the hip hop station serious about the your big hip hop guy. It was a perfect fit. Not Likely draw single fan to one of my shows but I was asked about the evolution that just hear me out here with the evolution of mankind and the fact that it was actually the cell matched that made me see. Wait I gotta find a different way to connect with people and you may not want to take credit for this but when your character just skyrocketed they were like six or seven like Steve Austin Lights Guy saying. I'M GONNA in every people whether they knew or not we're trying to be like you and not being successful at it and I was a big black. I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA be the seventh best stone cold. There's a there's an open market there for like the nerd fans you know and I need to find a way to make some people laugh to make that connection so I I went in that direction but going back to the the elbow. That was my way of of finding Taking the talent that I did have taken some wild chances and making it work for me as an offensive move but question and before I ask you the question what I'm talking about loaded objects you know one of my favorites. Mid SOUTH WRESTLING BILL WATTS LOADED GUCCI BAGS. Missy Hyatt would walk dark journey with that loaded Gucci bag that was one of the damnedest loaded gimmicks of all time. It's got loaded Gucci bag if you hadn't seen it go back and Google mid south on Youtube. Hey Man Yona rich your home sure you do and I bet it can be hard work you know. What's easy bundling policies with Geico? Geico makes it easy to bubble your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go TO GEICO DOT COM. Get a quote and see how much you could say. It's GEICO easy. Visit GEICO DOT com today that GEICO DOT com. Hey Man good folks over. Raghav recently sent me. 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Because I didn't look down the road I was living for the head of the now and waking up the next morning Steve. Even in Dallas. I gave myself close twenty six. I'd like to think I would have had the strength of character to admit that that that GIG was up. If I was twenty six I was making a decent living Lee livable apartments. You know car now you're married wasn't married I was. I would go down to the TV. Studio in Las Colinas twice a week. And I would Watch VIDEO BOB. Boban. Gerski put the put the show together and it's funny if people go back she'll world-class show. I would do several the voice overs. I produced a couple of the videos. Pretty hands on there was even a time when Bob wanted to take a vacation. They were GONNA put me in charge of directing the show. I had the background in college like I was always fascinated. I was considered a pain in the neck by some people because I was walking around saying. Can you get this camera? Shot coming along the camera. Here's the elbow and I realize my bread and butter and at that time it was the thirteen to fourteen foot length. You know back when I had a little spring in my last and even then there was very little but I realized what you ought to look into the people with the camera to help you look more like so some people go home and they watch that. Nestea plunge with mill Moscow's. It's it's a hell of a bomb but Jackie. Crockett had the perfect camera. Shot and as I hit. Show Egypt that camera and like I said when I got the WB. There was just a little bit of feeling. When I would walk through? This is what I'm trying to do it but I'm trying to accomplish. And now the now the producers are up there. What are you trying to do? What are you trying to accomplish? How can we is You know I I hadn't seen my my match with The big show in the boiler room and years my son. You is such a fan you know. I don't as a habit go back and watch my old thing Semitic But I remember Kevin remarking like he liked the way the knock on me you know from know from people. Were Not Mick. Foley is reliable. Just a big bump guy but I always wanted there to be a story you know and I remember Kevin Don really heaping praise on me after that match when I was clearly way past my physical prime and I was just about to go out for some fairly fairly extensive knee surgery. We told of complete with you know as I made it to. That made it to that wall. I made sure you know with the pommel bloody that I had that palm print and smear like he was going to leave an impression so I I yeah I was real big believer in the you know thinking visually way back. You know I think most people before and to most people's minds you brought up a meal mass. There's a story there. Were you a mill massacres fan. You know I I you know. I don't I didn't enjoy did not enjoy working with Mel and I know you know birdhouses his nephew I recognize. He's a legend drawn. Drew money everywhere that he went But he wasn't he wasn't interested in doing business that night and You know I tried to remember the store. This was a wasn't a paper of us. It was a clash of the champions. And so you're GONNA work. No mass worldwide watches beef with you nobis but WCW Woodson. We're not big picture thinkers correct. We're in Corpus Christi and the small picture is. Let's get a pop from Ludd. Latino audience bigger picture is. Here's a fulltime guy. Why are we having? He's got some promise he's the guy who wanNA use why we haven't blues on national. Tv in the clash to a guy who won't be here ever again. And I was set to mill was late missed his flight set the Russell Fargo actually picked up a victory on clash of the champions and then You know milk came in twenty twenty five minutes before the match And it was just a series of armed drags you know. Managed to get that last That one one move And I just I just wanted to kick out you know and guy caught flack from the powers of being. You were not kicking out on her. You know and I I wanted that image and I didn't get it but what I did have Jim Ross and Jim. Cornet making me look like the superstar that mill didn't like right you know I mean as as great as as Jr's you know got my windows broken half you know not far behind it and much less heralded was cactus. Jack is dead. Jimmy had that high voice wasn't a perfect TV voice. But you go back. He was quick. Yeah he knew his wrestling. He got people over and I liked people who put the product before themselves even if they had a larger than life personality. There were a lot of guys spring to mind. Cornet was one of them. Michael Hayes thought was very unheralded as an announcer as was Kevin Sullivan. Who even though? These were gimmick guys. Go out of their way to put the guys in the ring over which I try to keep in mind when I had my short stint behind the microphone. So cactus Jack Gimmick come from CACTUS. Jack was Buddhist. Who was he was CACTUS? Jack was my generic gimmick that I was only going to do long enough to become dude. Love do US born in Indiana. You grew up on Long Island. Had in the hell did you come up with Cactus Jack a loan my dad and I wrote about this in my book but I I love love love and Miss. My Dad and I'll take this opportunity to talk about. My Dad had an had a reputation in our school system as a you know as a as a disciplinarian into the fact that he had a kid who you know sometimes did things a little differently. You know was a cause of some concern. You know like because my dad was like such. You know the the crew cut you know. There's no there's no pictures in the Foley Family Vault at my dad with bell-bottoms and pork chop sideburns. You know he was the crew had guy. He was the The Athletic Director and in the book I talked about how Ward Melville High. School was the only school that didn't allow any like taunting or stomping when opponents for taking foul shots. Because they would try to do that. My Dad just look up at that crowd with you know. We had this one glance and eight hundred people stand down and CACTUS. Jack was just a game name that I came up with for my dad. When we're playing like wasn't the Internet wrestling game was the magazine wrestling game. You could send away. He cut some navarine. The Bill Apter magazine like three months. Later you've got this little board game and they would be characters that you knew were supposed to emulate WWe WWF guys characters were supposed to the dusty. Rhodes character you seri- somewhere name and then there were some space if you could fill in your own names and I was big train Foley. That's who I thought I was going to be. And My dad was Cactus Jack and so later on you know as months passed and I created this dude. Love Persona for myself. Which really was a wig in orange? Headband Pajama Top. That somehow made me feel cool. I would put it on. I would go out at night and I would have confidence that I did not have without. It sounds absolutely ridiculous but I was smoother. I Talk With Women Away. I never could as as Mickey Foley Maki phone. What were you doing the do love I was doing it as a as a I did it you know in a home movie that involved the I love some ten twenty year dude love and in eighty five and eighty six and then the the deal was you know. I became Cactus Jack. I'm sorry do love and eighty three and eighty four started wrestling in eighty five with the intention of becoming dude love when? I got good enough to earn that name then along the way I realized you know. Mother Nature's not cooperating. I'm not I'M NOT DUDE LOVE. I am this guy you know. Cactus Jack on the surface seem to be like a Western motif downtown. It turned into something completely original. Very you know a very generic sounding name created a very original concept bang. Bang come from Bang Bang Man. I love this story is just like some of the craziest things You know just come out of thin air. It was if I say you're GONNA pop and we'RE NOT GONNA people won't see you smile but if I say the name. Nasty Ned Brady. You'll know exactly what I'm talking about. He was in enhance. I never call them job guys. He was in the handsome guy who had the greatest facial features great facial expressions. Kinda like monkey whip arms. You know he was like me without. The love. Handles thinner version from Muscular Stan. Boy He's like me. Without the body weight and he sold things magnificently and let the third or fourth week. I guess you know it was November of eighty nine. I'd been turning on my partners for For three four or five weeks it was starting to catch catch on like people were actually looking forward to the tag team contests that I would lose my partner. We lose and I would then turn on that partner with the Elbow and put them out twelve thirteen feet bom here. We go and I dropped that L. Bone good one on nasty net brady and as I lay there as I sat up I the Song Love Shack B. Fifty twos came into my head and you can see it on the for all mankind. Dvd actually say Bang Bang Bang on the door. Babe ACTUALLY SING SING. Sing the lyrics and that was the last time I sang the lyrics. I but I kept Bang Bang. It was also I believe either that night or the next night the last match. I wrestled with frontier. I was in a you know went. Home was at a friend's Bachelor Party and we got hit head on by drunk driver. Those teeth history. You know And you know against my better judgment well-wishers come to the hospitals as good for wrestling with that image of the guy with the teeth. That's long gone and this is not good and then when I showed up I remember Jim. Ross gone red. Look and yeah and they gotta take what you can you got it. You gotta take your cannon so as a this is a pretty pretty good luck so much so you know. I've never really gonNA replace them. So what was your favorite Art of you to be only do love mankind. Cactus Jack them all I love you. Know what Steve. What's the difference between all of them? We we collectively you know and I'm talking about ww I'm talking about Vance. Specifically in one case hunter a great job of creating differentiation in people's minds. You know to some people they you know they say. Forget about the cell match. My favorite moment is when you did the Promo where you're transformed from mankind as CACTUS. Jack Keeping Mind that all I was doing was removing one. Shirt to reveal another and the character would wouldn't have been dead but greatly reduced head-hunter just laughed and given that you're the same guy with a different shirt eating. Go that route. He put it over like he was seeing a ghost. A larger than life superhero. I'm getting goosebumps talking about it. You know and it was one of those great moments like do or die moment. This guy either means something where he doesn't unfortunately all that yeah yeah. I saw an immense meant something quite honestly you know you go back and if you're looking for that mythical cactus Jack He's there in spots you know like a certain matches where I was as good as hunter was making me out to be but I think w w a very good job of creating this mythical character from a guy who was a very good performer but not mythical by any means until then which. One of those guys was your favorite to me. Which one of those guys was your favorite to work or which one of those guys was easiest to work? The closest to my heart was the commissioner in two thousand completely changed courses. I went home. I did believe I was retired and I went to Hershey Park and I traded out a twenty minute queue in a in the park for like the run of the place for four days meals included so I made out pretty well in the deal and I had a little you know shaving kits head. Shaver. I went home and I. I went back to the room. Shaved off all my hair. Which Bene- TR trade market long since eighty since eighty five and my son I do he was very subtle cool so I you know I shaved his head to we get some great photos of us going on a log. Flynn with no hair and that was my signal to myself. I would never do anything in the public guy ever like ever again. That was dead set never and it was two days later. I got a phone call. I get home and I get a phone call pal. How'd you like to be a commissioner? And they are. I showed up. You know in somebody that. Hey Powell was famous man. Phone call voice which is either the best phone call you could ever take or a bunch of hassle and it was a same same. Hey Pal it was like seven. Am So charismatic. Good on the phone Abe seven. Am Average sleeps. Yeah for you. How would you like to be dude? Love I went like once. He said that he said that to me on the phone they came up with. You don't know what it was was in this. I remember this. This is Use said this to me and this is one of the things that talk about during the current show. I love the idea that I can take people back and go into mankind and give them that feeling of being the ninety seven mankind be taken back to the interview segment right. Dustin Rhodes had just done. What was that? The time. Really groundbreaking interview where he said. I'm Dustin Ronald's my bomb the son of a famous wrestler. Livin in his Dad Shadow. He referred to it as his character. I don't think he's gimmick but his character and WB wanted to do the same thing with me as mankind. Because Vince had come to realize that I had a more interesting real life story than the fictional one we created as mankind and it was one of those things again where you have to have a feel for your character you gotta fight. What you think is right. I want to go out and talk to the fans. Just as I'm talking to you and say my name is Mick. Foley used to be CACTUS. Jack I've been wearing this mask that I said I have a lot of. I've got a lot of time and effort tied up in this character and I propose that we go out unscripted. Jim Ross pulled it off. Probably nobody else could have and for years. I considered it'd be one of the top two or three three things I've ever done in the business would have. Jr asked me questions. I will answer them with one hundred percent honesty. But I'll do it in character and you probably heard this as well. I remember Al Snow telling me that the first day I was in the in. Wwe E That you couldn't really become a top guy. Vince personally became a fan and up until that night and ninety seven. That wasn't the case like I was used good. You know I'd been top of a couple of paper use. I think if you ask them into deep down is are you a fan of this guy. He would have been on the border and Jr and I just went in and again you know you you you to me that the intangibles like the magic in the air is can't be scripted. It's got it's got to be an element there and I think we lose some of that. I think with scripting you you lose a lot of the lows. You eliminate a lot of the horrible injuries but you also lose that element. You know the possibility of magic athlete scripted. That may have worked. It wouldn't have worked on a level that it did. It was like I remember you. I riding and by the time you were. You were kind of a loner by ninety seven you know so. It was unusual. That'd be we'd be riding again like the old days and I remember you saying what are they doing? Kennedy turn your baby face and I said now Steve. I think they just want people to get a better feel for the character you look. You said you'll be baby face in three weeks and the best of my knowledge. It's the only time that I can recall a turn taking place without any in ring change without any you know without any You know saving of a hero. It was just every week. They were enrolled this thing and when I told a story at even know. Vince was in the room. It was all dark and they said we're going to change tapes. I heard a voice in the darcus. Go this is outstanding and I was like that's it I'm a made man in. Wwe Like that was the most pivotal moment. I think my career when I became a star. Wwe right yeah. God naggus going. Pretty well right. I was a little nervous. Who aren't going to live up to the billing. We're doing pretty go now. Now we're we're we are living up to it but what I WANNA do. I'M GONNA run to the refrigerator. I'm going to grab an ice cold beer and I want to continue the conversation but this will be for next. Thursday. I want to talk about east. Cw I want to talk about your thoughts on Promos into stuff you were cutting NCW was just pure gold and man. I was just watching it. I mean all through your career. I mean multi-layered complex shit. I mean it was just it was crazy and so I enjoy watching all that. And let's do it so but before we leave. We know you're on the road being Thursday night. I'm in Brea Friday and Saruman Ventura and then I take a little time off to go to professional Santa Claus School in Denver. And then I pay for that trip by doing a show in Denver on Joe Because I'm still old school that way August thirty first then as you mentioned I got like a three week run in British Columbia and Alberta Canada. And we're GONNA make some os up on on the next show. 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Arrested and charged. How a false arrest and fake charges can ruin a life.

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Arrested and charged. How a false arrest and fake charges can ruin a life.

"What's up everybody. The solar founded podcast and today I decided to report something that dot about. Started life for Walter, Doing Santa, Mine. Wanted to I've been thinking about. You know, what can I say? To show that understand. How the black communities feeling. On I'm not black, not white, but I grew up in Bushwick Brooklyn Puerto, Rican, so. I can understand how some of black communities feeling. you know there's certain things that happened growing up to my life that. Just gives me a sense of like okay I can understand why. They are mad about this. and brought on my co-founder. One. Roku? Ak Aka Edwin, he's he's going to be on the. He's going to ask questions to dig deeper when I tell you guys that story I might forget little bits and pieces, so you know he's just going to ask questions to dig deeper and to hopefully. You know tell the story better and make it a more interesting conversation. So fear with that said I'll get. I'll get right into it There was one of the biggest blackouts ever in New York City and the Tristate area This was I. Remember Housing College I think I was either a freshman on soft sophomore so? This was two thousand, one or two thousand two hundred. If you look up. New York City big blackout. You'll find a year. anyway that night I remember. Walking is my house and everyone in the neighborhood was outside. Because there was no air conditioning was. The summer about August so you know a C- allies so everyone's outside. So I call it one of my friends from the neighborhood and I say you know what are you doing? He said honor, which is just hanging out in the former house. come by. So I went over there and two other friends go over there, so offer was groped together in in bushes. So. Made the decision to go down to the PGA. Which is grocery store or Like a lot of people say New York. And, we got these beers there were. Ballantyne! But there were twenty two hours and there were down. By Eighteen nineteen years old, so we had to. We had to make the dollars stretch, so we all get one and we won't walk back to my friends do It's about the about two blocks away. and we're drinking them, so you know where where young, not too young, but you know we're Kinda. Light waves so halfway to drink them. What of my friends calls his friends, or he gets a call from some one of his friends in Queens. And he says all these lights over here. You know the lights are on, so we get is bright idea and we say. On we over there! Get something to eat. So, we get into my friend's car off long. US so it's. It's to Puerto Ricans me and boy. Danny A boy David driving. He's Dominican and then there's another kid, another friend Ross both want. Any, he is out Salvadorian. So we drive into Queens. We take the. Brooklyn Queens Expressway and we get off at Northern Boulevard. So we get off and on the boulevard. We see there are no lights here. We gotTA WE GOTTA turn back. So. We're at. We get to the exit. Maker right under the boulevard at a at a red light. Black Part? IS PULLS UP NEXT? Tinted all black. So my friend. ME. The all. They want. So I. Susan Like Three Takes Off. Take off! We see the lifeboat. Blackhawk. Out It turns out, there were detectives. I'll go. Over right away. They come out with car one goal for the past five. So he asked my friend David Four. Of and from there. Thing. It gets advocates. The. Pack inside the Daddy Do. and. that. Really pumps he's telling on Frank. M My friend said all right I. Tableau take my seat. But my head. To by. People off. And so he goes to the COP just like. Almost throws himself inside inside the car window like his his head is in his neck, and he's pulling my friend out. He's like I'm trying to think we'll little was able off. Now I'll admit the one dumb thing. that was done was I was in the back behind the driver's side and was next me behind the passenger side. One. Says something like Hey, don't do that and opens his door to Charlie, pull the COP. Anyway, but so the cops goes to. Him Out and I'm. Going on so I A. Going on and that things that that was on the Patch Daddy. Bond out. Come into the bag and dislike. Text me and mild. Yes Yeah while. The other top that was a dropped. But when he told it's happening, you know they run JV. We've now we're all. We're all out on the floor. And the old time I'll. Enough back that. I was loud mouth back then. I just thought I'd do. So. What do you? Think. So. Were on the floor and now I feel like a bunch in life so this. Patrol part. They had told me. Arnold why? But Great Wanda. Poor arrested and they're tunnel. Up Time Yeah so they take. They take us off, we go. The squad cars and Taken to the prison on somewhere on northern, boulevard. if you look precent northern boulevard Queens, you'll probably find and I could find. That doesn't matter, but so we're taking there and the whole time I'm. Not Screaming but talking very loud. Why why are you guys arresting us? You Know Miranda rights were read. We didn't know why we're being arrested We're in a cell now with other people. As. having been told wide. You guys got pulled over why you got no okay no. Bile so actually. Yeah, actually. There was a point in time that They told us they give some story about why we were being arrested, and this was in the precent They didn't tell me, but I think he told friends. They said that there was like a coal some. Four Latino men stole a car and we're driving around Queen. Well I was yeah, so that was like the story. I Queens not that small so. For you got? One out of all of Queen's. That's pretty lucky yeah. I know. So we're in the south and I keep screaming like what we're being arrested while we're here, we don't know anything. and. A couple hours pass and I hear. Some screaming and the front of the President like wherever the desk that were the front. The front of the president is a DASGUPTA. People could come in and ask questions whatever so. I heard it was Danny's mom and my mom and there were like we wanna see our our kids songs. They're here, but you know we're eighteen nineteen, so we're. We're considered adults. You know. Obviously. They didn't let them see us. So. We didn't we didn't share parents, so we keep asking the conflict. What's going on? What are you going to do from here when we call like aw. You guys would be home before me. Man, don't worry. What was this was the psych on? Was this on a week day weekend. I don't actually remember the date, but because it was the blackout I remember them saying that you know things are going to take a little longer because you know all the computer systems are down thing so it was like all right. Yeah because the have so a jail. Still Operational. Even throw a blackout I mean. That's that's I. Don't know what type of situation that is, but yeah, that's completely unique situation. Yes so. So we were there in the precent cell overnight for about ten twelve hours, and we were there were some of the people and I i. read I distinctly remember there was A. It was a Mexican lady there and. One of my friends asked you know what she's doing. What what are you doing here? And she was selling. ICEES was, so they arrested for that more to Gert Yeah like that's. That's fucking bullshit man because she didn't have a permanent. But. Anyway so so now they take us out and. I don't know. I don't know what goes on in the system or what happens when you get arrested so I think. Oh, we're going home now. It's over. And they're like no, no, you. We're GONNA take your towns to central booking. You, you'll be out like faster than. Get, home tonight. I, predecessor booking, but I didn't know. What happens there and then? They're not really telling us what happened, so? We're in the car. And, they take us to central booking. And I, we walk in and is when you walk in is like a big sell. and. That's the first cell where everybody gets put in before they get. Processed stuff they take fingerprints and then go to another cell. So we go into that now they sell is like not like a real criminals in the central weapons out, and I'm like Oh shit at we're all. We're all scared like we're just be crying on talk to anybody money. So while we're in there. Everyone ask each other Oh. Were you here for the here for? And, we didn't know we were asking we like. We don't know everybody else knew what they were in their four and one guy was like. I was running away from the cop shooting, and then by the hand of he said the hammer fell out when I was running away into hammer is a is a gun, and I was like Oh shit. We're in here with some real motherfuckers, Bradley. I wanted to go home. Meanwhile in that cell we're still we're hang-up with our hand on the back side and with their for about. Five seven hours and one of the guys that was in there was like I. Just want to get through this process I know they're gonNA. Send me the rikers. I want bed and a meal, so he was telling US goes on like how how you get profits. So. That's the first south after I sell you. Go onto on the take your fingerprints after the fingerprints. They take it to another cell. And, this other sal I, don't know what it's for. It's like a holy sound. Before you go to another south and from that cell you then go see. The lawyer and then you go see the judge, so he's like yeah. It takes about twenty four hours to thirty six hours. We're like five seven hours in I'm like. All night so and you have your cuff behind your back. And that uncomfortable position super uncomfortable. They give you guys food water on the. What's the situation like like hockey? Use the bathroom if you have your. Yeah, the there's. There's like toilet bowl in there if you need to use, the bathroom is A. In front of everyone, everybody's just has to do public business in front of everyone and. Everybody, from criminal to somebody who just got pulled over and arrested like you guys are all treated the same. Yup well treated the same and that, and that was one of the like. One of the worst parts like one thing I took. It doesn't matter like once. You're there they see you as a criminal, no matter what. You treat like one and he talked to you, yeah! Yeah. I mean sounds West sons rough. Rough experience soft to the store. Man I'm yeah, it's. Terrible Man Yeah so okay so they. We take from that cell. They take our fingerprints and. Whatever we had in our pockets. We haven't drank anymore yet, so I'm thirsty as help. so they take us down to this other south holding sal. and. I don't even know it's a small, so it's not. It's not as small as like a jail cell for two people in in prison. It's probably double that side. but we're in this cell. And, over the next course of our, they put in there about like a hundred guys. Like shoulder to show. Yeah, yeah, shoulder to shoulder. You really can't move. It's fucking hot. And this was. I'll never forget this man. Everybody was there was virtually to ask for water, so as like correctional system. Passing by you know. Some of the guys would like. Go fucking. Dirceu's give us water water and I'm just like Oh. Yes, please bring water. Grow. One cops are water. He came back. You know those bullets. Spring bottles a dollar that you buy the. Store. Smart more. Bro He he he brought to those put it inside the south through the bars, and it was mad as two guys ripped out one and then one guy open open up the one bottle, somebody tried to take for him so squeeze and all that water was gone, and there was one bottle left that one of the guys that were talking to us in the cell, he was to grab. He was like I got y'all got. So, he's took a sip and me and my friends were able to take a sip, and then like some other people took him who brought. It was like seventy, five, two hundred of them in there and. Yeah, they do shit on purpose man. The chaos. Yeah, yeah, so from there there will and didn't tell us what goes on Mike if you never been through central booking, you're just like wonder what's going on unless you ask somebody that's been through it and they tell you so the guy that you know. He was a criminal like he said he's done. He's been in jail like two times and he's like you. I got a case now than on fighting and I just got arrested for this I gotta go to my bailiff this and that, but he was for some reason man. Thankfully, he was nice to us, so he was telling us. What happens next so after this big holding so? You said next. They take you to like the cell before you see Moyer and the judge and those cells are smaller, and they put less guys in there. They put like seven to ten guys. So we will we go? We're in this big sell for about two hours. And he takes us to that third cell, and the third is like seven ten guys in there. There's a bench all around the site in the back, and then just the regular floor. So. It was about now now we were already like. Arrested for about twenty four hours. I think we got arrested that night. It was like maybe like clock. And now it's ten o'clock Phil nowhere to like what you guys were thick four. For. Nothing. You nothing nothing yet. So we're in the south about ten o'clock you know hoping. That announcing for their life. Lawyer, I, the. Judge that's well. You're not seeing Justin I. Don't even think about that, so. It'd be here overnight. The judge start seeing cases seventy M, reading or something like that. So whatever? So! Were former us. Two of US were once out. The two separated doing another so for me and my buddy. It's that stood together. And we're like fucking. Sleep here. The hardcore dudes already took the benches so on the floor took my sneakers. Put the behind the head, and we just laid back. To sleep through the night. I think it was like either five morning. They come in and they've redirected, too. And it was just like little boxes, cereal and Skin the regular milk. And at that point I ate. Last twenty four hours whatever whatever I last April outside all? So I! Chugged Shit I. Even looked to my friend. And I said you Y- that. I, do. My? Point So delicious I think had other cornflakes rice krispies. Today was the best conflicts. Arise. So, so so were there. If the morning everybody's away and. We're just waiting waiting. When we get to see our lawyer. You see the free Lord. Yeah Yeah 'cause I. Didn't we didn't know not being added? To get a lawyer at at. For the what happened, don't worry. Has a friend that works for. Her. To Get by light. To get. Five. Facet. To get up. So. We were up at like six. Waiting all day, and then lunch come brunches like a stale to sail to pieces of sale, breath with up some Palau. The middle. I I tried the and produce so disgusting. I need it. So the rest of the day passes, it's evening. It's eight. It's eight nine ten again. I'm like holy. The judge Liza twelve. I can't take another night like I wanna go home in my bed. So at. Ten thirty we get. To see the public. And now I said with Public Defender and he tells me you know what I'm being charged with, and what they're gonNa do what happens. What was the judge? So? He says you know what I'm. Be You know it'd be in charge I, said I. Don't know man. What's going on I? Don't know nothing. So he tells me I'm being charged with and I was just I couldn't believe I think I was so shocked I was like this can't be true, so I'm being charged resisting arrest. Of A knife and Her. And I was like. Excuse me you. Said I'm actually the one you know. He's just telling, but I tell them like. I can't believe that like I'm actually the one that told telling my friends like why. Why do you carry a knife like you don't get? It is like I don't even I never even carried a knife ever my life before a knife and a gun and resisting arrest like I was punched, and they dragged out of the car. No reason. So he's like you know these charges entails now. They're going to call you. To to see the judge, we're GONNA go in front of the judge. And I'm basically going to get you out. Tonight so you know without bail so so you don't have to go to rikers island now. Like. Now I'm like holy, Shit, them serious thing I'm like. Yeah so. I think at eleven forty five. They called me go in front of the judge, and I was like Oh, thank. God So we go from his jobs and You walk out into the courtroom. And you know there's a lot of people out there sitting there 'cause they're all family members waiting for. Their family members to come out. So the prosecutor says what what the charges are, and then the judge tells you know the pug funded like. Like is your attorney say something and public defendant says like I remember him saying. His family's here waiting for him, he's he goes to Saint John's university. He's not a flight risk. Blah Blah Blah. Please let him out on his own recognizance. so the judge has thing he goes off on the go out on your own cognizance. And I'll say this is this is great. Yeah is done, thank. God My mother was out there and all my friends. Their parents are out there so now. I waited for like mild it. was just going to ask. Came out one group or individuals. No it's individuals. It's won't by one it's like. It's like a record you're you're in front of a judge. You know there's the there's the right side with Prosecuted the left side with the defender defendant. Yeah, so but yeah, we were lucky enough to get out with the last ones to get out. and the the lawyer gives me a piece of paper and it has a date on it now. When he says you can. Leave on your own recognizance. I thought Oh shit. That's it. Thank God is nightmares over, but the paper said that I had to appear at a court hearing. A court hearing what the fuck. Out here now we have to like. see bill. Drop the charges. You'll get lifetime guessing. Yes! Like what do you Do you look prosecutors? Give you. And then I thought to myself while the nightmares continuing. And I'm no. What's coming? I have no idea how this works. And stuff. And your freshman about Saint John's and you're also. And this is your first time. Right like ever getting processed or anything like that right? I've never ever been arrested no trouble with the law anything. Yeah? So a mother. Anura I'm actually a sophomore in Saint John's yeah sophomore so it's my second year. So that night This was we were at like the court in Queens and Q. Gardens so not far away from Saint John's but yeah that night we go. With our families across the street and we were hungry, so we get pizza like we buy two pies and reading pizza. go home. Go to sleep. and I think the court date was like in January Remember this August. So yeah, it was far away so my mother and my parents Dave you know they weren't GonNa. Let a public defender. Be taking both defendants, so they paid for lawyer for me, Yeah and At a at my friends. I was only one with the paid lawyer. fast-forward forward January comes, and I had met with this lawyer I. Think before before that and he told me like what's going to happen, so he said that there are three hearings before. You go to trial, so you either accept. like a plea bargain or you plead guilty in one of those three hearings or not, if there's no, if you don't plead guilty or like, take a plea deal I'm after the third hearing then goes into. So we had this word. I'm just I'm still kind of in shock, so it's not that serious to me. I didn't have Uruguayan is, but they'll see that inside, but yeah slum. Pretty sure you're getting like now this. Realization where things are kind of out of your hands, just because here you're relying on this lawyer. he's defending you. You have to go to court I. Mean I mean. How did that feel like? Yeah! So. If felt fine because I was thinking up to the first hearing I was thinking okay, I'm just gonNa tell the lawyer like listen. Can you. Can you get the knives and the guns because they're not going to have knives and guns, because we didn't have nights and guns a heat. This is where it Kinda got weird. He, said. Oh I I said so. Right take the fingerprints because. Yeah, yeah I said. Can you check fingerprints? 'cause I told him to look for to. If they have evidence of knives and guns, he he said Oh yeah they had the knife so I said. Can you check the fingerprints he goes? Oh, we can't really do that. So now I'm thinking like something's weird here like you. Can't. You know I've only watched shows about life, law and stuff and I I didn't know anything about how it works, but I think you can see evidence. Right but I didn't know. But yet he said No. We can't check the knife or anything. See this print. So like okay, whatever so we go to the first hearing again in front of the Judge Prosecutor says what what I'm being charged with, and this is what like the deal they're giving. Now, this is what I thought like Oh. Shit is real, so the deal they were giving was long years in jail. I was. Like. WHAT CAFA ACID no way man as we got to do something here, so then you know obviously. I said no I plead not guilty, and then that's it. It's like a two minute thing, and then you leave, and then the the lawyer says all right so you know we're just gonNA come to the second hearing. I'll see if I can get a better better deals. Three. Years of your life is appearing at that moment if he would just accept it. What happened to your friends at this moment when they first per? With their public defender. So they. saint-gobain Saint. Louis deals that were getting same stuff. Yeah, same stuff. so fast forward to the second hearing second hearing. I think they're like all right. We'll give them one and a half years again. Not Guilty noted a plea deal now. We're coming up to third hearing and you know he's like if if nothing happens if I can't get a better deal and you know, plead not guilty again. I said. This is going to go to trial. and I was like Oh shit. If if I'm not. If I'm found guilty and trial, then you can get more time right and I was like. Damn, but I didn't do anything, but now I'm young and my head I didn't do anything. You know innocent, so I'm like yeah. The. Yeah, there was still no. No like real fear of prison time because you know in my heart. I knew that I didn't I. Didn't I was innocent I'd have guns knives and I didn't resist arrest. so this is where it gets. This is where it gets you more interesting and this. So when they arrested US input gives us fake charges right there. That's when I when I learn. Okay anybody can be arrested and cops can just put fake charge. You back can happen understood that that's when I learned it. But now learned something else about the judicial system after my third hearing. So the third year in comes. I meet the lawyer outside of the courtroom. A he goes. I got good news I. Know The prosecutor on the case today. I said. Yeah, he goes. Yeah, all school was him. He doesn't WANNA. Talk to them and see if they could drop the charges sealed and dismissed that way I have no record, and like it's just like all happened, and it's in the garbage is not in their computer. Nothing sealed in dismiss 'cause you can get. You can get this. You can get I think sealed or or just dismissed, but it will always be a. you got arrested, and he went to the court system sealed in dismiss Esau. One I'm guessing. Is You want everything just pretty much expunged because? At that point, it becomes like yeah for every job application probably have to check off like. Have you done any criminal offenses and then that can hurt you and and stay? That's what a lot of people actually face. it seems like so yeah I mean from hearing your story. That's going to happen pretty much to anybody. That's what I was thinking I was like well, cops. A conference arrested in just put the. That's scary man. That's fucking scary, so. He says he knows a prosecutor. Let's get dismiss. comes back after token prosecutor. He goes the prosecuting. You agreed to throw away all. And seal the dismiss WHO's just GONNA go up to the judge. They're gonNA say that awesome, and then that's it you're done. So. We go from the judge. The prosecutor says of judge dropped charges seal dismiss An. Pretty, good, what's it? So. That's when I learned. Judicial System. was. Kinda corrupt. Because think about. These lawyers you know that that defend evil and prosecutors. It's like it's like two boxers right. Their enemies. Inside the ring, but outside and a lot of them are friends, but when they get in, and it's like you know doing guide time it's win. Lose. I'm going to fight to win, but at the end of the day. They're still friends a lot in these Prosecutors and defenders. Paid lawyer, defenders. Their friends because they went to school together, so they know each other, so they're cutting. To. Throw them in there. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying the lawyers. Yes, what? They're able to cut deals. So that I that was so shady that the to. The two hearings. You know they're like. They stood stiff jail time, and then the third one because they knew each other, they were like all right. Dropping. Thankfully they did but like. All stuff to go manage scary and. Ever since then it's of way I think it's I think it's like ninety five percent gone, but I wouldn't call it PTSD but. Ever, since then every time I saw like a car behind me or like a cop walking by me I would get nervous. outfield would get a little scared like Oh shit. You know don't want them. To just arrest me for no reason now and at the time I. You know I had a had a buzz cut, so I looked like you know what they would say like. He's just like every other Latin or Puerto Rican kid just because I hadn't buzz-cut. You know. so yeah like Iron Stan. Why? Like the black community. Because I felt more than anything. I've felt hurt because I always had always had positive things about. police officers when my friends and kids in the neighborhood I grow, who were not the best kids They talked about cars. Fuck the police I was always like the heater protected. Serve and like the here for us. After that happened. I was more hurt than anything. That they would do that to me like I took it personally. And that's why I understand. You know what what's going on now I got a lot of people are hurt. You know like it's and it's been happening worse to them like they kill unarmed black man. You know This is like more black men in prison than anywhere in the world than any other race like. I'm pretty sure a lot of them, are there? Thrown fate charges as well. So like my little story. I mean it's. It's a small scale compared to like the other series. Fake charges that are out there. That black men have gone to jail for or you know the the number about. I know the The the rate at which Latinos get got arrested I. Is! Slightly less? Frequently than than but yet. We both pretty much based similar similar circumstances, and the face of you know you know Caucasians because the number of Caucasians that get arrested I mean as weightless. You know for the population. But yeah, we'll have to tell your friends actually I was. That they also get acquitted and all the other. You got her Yes, so funny thing. My actually. My friend David was. was with me, David was the driver Got It. Yeah! Yeah, he was a driver, so he was actually sitting with me and he had a public defender but he was sitting with me when when my lawyer said on the prosecutor so they called they called me up and then. I didn't even know what's going to happen, but then the lawyer mentioned oh Also defending my friends, you know my friend David last name. And he got his charges dropped. Ceiling dismisses well and then I. Remember we come the courtroom. He told David like Britain own 'cause he basically did that for free 'cause. That wasn't yeah. But my other two friends. They got an offer on the like the last hearing for. Community Service. No no a they just had to pay a ticket for being rowdy and destroying puppet to Serbia, school I forgot with called. Yeah, they got they got that they gotta take. They had to pay like more fifty bucks or I don't know how much it was Yeah, yeah, so I was like man that was key. I WANNA take. Anything is Matt Leash. You guys should afford it. They're like man. We just WANNA get. The. Impact that you were in school because you mentioned that you a sophomore. Like when? It. Although I was serious. Maybe it was just me young and. Stupid and blind to reality. I was in my head. I was like there's no way I'm going to. Go to jail because I. I do anything so I wasn't really worried didn't cause me any. They didn't call his. Mother I'm having law this. I mean yeah. She was seen the severity of it, so she was. She was more worried. and also like you know. We were like lower class working class, so she didn't. Like I don't even know where she got the money to pay for the lawyer, but you know she she. She wasn't GonNa Let. She wasn't GonNa Levy take oppo defender, my mother always. My parents gave me everything and more. You know when I was growing up as a little kid, I wealthy because I just get everything and more than ever wanted. But as I got older than I understood, it was like it was too hard work and you know credit cards and. It was you know easy for my parents to do that, but they wanted to keep me interested that. Sounds like you had it I mean mom definitely came through. Clutch and helped out with the Yeah, that sacrifice just to make sure his son was in. part of the system that I'm pretty sure she's probably. I, Dunno, she's witnesses. The any type of issues like that of the past where it's you know when people get wrongly accused but yes, you believe in the innocence inch your mother. Who knows you better than anybody, right? And and she really made that sacrifice There's a lot of families out there like your friends. For instance. They weren't able to have that opportunity that you had. So so yeah, thank you, thank your mom. Because I. Now your friend Dave got out of it so. Yeah Man. Yeah man and that's like. I mean there's. There's there's like one other story that I'll say really quick. When I was a little AL's little kid, I was about probably ten or eleven, and I was at the I was at the Boyega and that was. Crossing the street to put my grandmother's house, but I saw my at the door, and I wanted him to hold the door so I ran across the street and ran up to the door, so he can go with him. And as he's opening the door, I see a cop car jumped the curb and just by Dr on the curb, and in my head, and I told my uncle ocean something must have happened like they're driving really fast lights on. But then they stopped right in front of my grandmother's house. WHO THE COP! The COP and the driver's side comes out and now I'm on top stoop is three steps. He pulls me by the back of my shirt. Out from the. Third Step. Do onto hit onto the hood of his car. My chest is hood of his car. It was so loud that my my aunt was upstairs the second floor. She thought it was a car taxes. She came out the window to look and when she saw that. You know this cop had be Ma had thrown me onto the hood here already had he had turned me around, and now he was screaming at me and she screamed she goes. That's my nephew, a little kid and forget about that the fairly hard on. Am then my mother ran now to holy cow, and this cop was screaming at me back on the hood, and he was bidding on me and again I don't even know what the fuss going on. I just ran across the street to see my uncle and I'm a little kid. I'm ten or eleven, so I'm scourge, list and. Whatever everyone comes out and they're screaming at him, so he lets me go, but then he starts screaming my parents, she goes. Keep your kid under control I I. Don't know if he used like hoodlum or something. He's some word to say like. I was like A. Bad Kid, and I'm on I'm my mother like was going on and you know when he said. That I threw a piece of popcorn into his window. That hit him so that. I didn't ask before, but they ask for this situation in the. Previous situation that you described. What were the the officers were being? All's they I mean. They're there. They're white. I remember so when I was store, I just said right now when I was ten or eleven. I remember the COP was Irish because of his last name. I don't remember his last name was but at the time I remember. He was iris, and his face was so. When he was screaming at me and he was so angry. Because somebody threw a piece of corn was me, but you really do that. Because somebody threw a piece of popcorn, little piece of popcorn hit you. That's pretty pretty upsetting. Man I I mean I can't even imagine. being a little kid that that that happening like that. I mean. I mean the great, and even still I mean you said. for the the first the instance. What your friends in the car? They just still believed in the justice system. and police officers and whatnot, and and even even though you still had that experience tau. Yeah I. Honestly I don't even know. I don't even know why I was like. Oh, yeah, cops, great not not to say like copper bag, but. From a young age I. Just knew alright that COP was bad. They're not the entire police force you know. But I don't know why, but yeah. Yeah, that's that that happened. I was I. was that young and. That, that taught. Be Not not when I was young I think about the later on when I got older I thought. Oh. He treated me like that because. He was probably racist and he didn't give a fuck that I was ten years old. He just had hate him for. Whatever Latin kids or Possibly even black kids to, and that's what he treated like that because he's just, but he's isn't being a good person and having that. That other individual in China Trying to understand where they're coming from, but I mean at the end of the day just shouldn't have happened. It was wrong, I mean. Crack cracking, even do that and come to that type of an aggression and because at that point, it's an abuse of power. At that point so. I mean regardless of a person's facing. You have to learn to separate your work and your personal life. Because if all I, mean imagine the military. would. Just because of their emotions, we have to be careful. I mean people need to be stable when they have that much power, and they have a lethal weapon on them as well so. Yeah! Oh and that's another thing. I'm sorry to cut you off, but when. When me and my friend got arrested during the blackout. You remember there were no lights, so it was pitch black with a especially where they pulled us over They could've cou- shot us there, too, you know. But nobody would have known why. Jam and I now thinking back at all those those stories and ties, it's like you know things could have gone their credit definitely worse, but at one hundred percent. We've got a strive to do better. I mean not all bad This is just some some case of bad apples, but. Hopefully. Hopefully with time? There'll be some type of I mean. What would you like to see done What do you think that could prevent things that like what you experience. I think I think. So I mean I think that. So. Excuse New York City cops come from New York City. So. Let's say I. Come I grew up in Bushwick And I become a cop. I know the NYPD doesn't assign. People cops to the neighborhoods they live in. But why not assigned cops to like neighborhoods? They grew up in. You know because they can then. They know the community. They know the type of people that live there. They you know that they still might know people that live there, so instead of. Let's say there is a Some fight happening and somewhere in Bushwick and I'm cop in Bushwick. if there's another cop Bush that doesn't know you know how the neighborhood works, or how things how people resolve issues. There's a fight all your arrested in taking on central booking, but if it's me and you know even if I know the guys, they're friends of friends. I can talk to them. And, say like listen. Cut The shit out, you know. I'M NOT GONNA. Rest you now give you warning, but like cut it out man like trying to. Return to work with the community here. I think there needs to be more you know. People working in the neighborhood that grew up in and just more empathy with people in different neighborhoods and. Working with the community and community leaders, but then again you know the community has to trust. The COPS so there has to be some trust built and I think you know to that. A lot of people in the community don't fucking trust cops, so they have to build that trust on how, but not not just act like you know like like like military men. No. You're there to protect so. It's. It's difficult situation. It's one hundred percent of a difficult situation, but yeah actually. If I remember correctly UH in Wikipedia Action State They hire also. Yeah, they hire people from Jersey. You do. Yeah! It's Kinda like they have such. That you pretty much apply. and. Just, pretty much, not no New York and be thrown into the Bronx or something. And I say you come from the suburbs from new, Jersey. You've never seen a black person Hispanic or anything, and then all of the sudden. Now you're in lake interim, saying Bronx, all of a sudden or Washington Heights, and they you see all of a sudden. A bunch of can't do that Puerto Ricans and Dominicans and everybody's yelling and everything just because that's our culture. That's how we speak. It's a different language. I mean they're. They're trying to survive too I get it. Yeah. There's a fear thing. There's a fear thing that they act on. That's why they can cause cause. We can't put somebody like that. Throw them into the Bronx over the Washington washing and they're not from there, so. What's normal? What's not normal? AM and I. Honestly think goes up to me. I. Don't get it but I know state police in New Jersey they have to have A. Certain minimum of college credits and I. Think it's an offer like an associate's. Degree, but yeah that that Savini education is a big deal. just because. IF YOU WANNA be a police officer. That entries should be as easy where you just. Have a high school diploma just supply and that's it. I think you definitely need to have. For instance you know a little bit about sociology psychology just a really understand culture and. And you know societal norms and things of that nature. Because like you said. Where humans are here, and we literally pay tax dollars for these people says protect us, so we have these neighborhoods and have families, and you'll save them. So I think for that type of role I. Don't think we need to raise the bar. In terms of standards for the entry level I, don't think for instance a computer scientist has to take a written exam to go to like Bloomberg or some. You know some crazy, stringent process for for getting hired, but to become a pilot police officer. There's the standardized tests and based off of your score. You get to go and you get to get selected. And they're even era, and then now now you protected. By, union, and then, yeah, he's just made your career right so. I mean I think the standard definitely needs to be rates higher Military veterans. I think they they. They know how to use you know. When. And how to use you know these force I feel comfortable with that. They can also get college credits as well well, then the military, so I think. That'd be better and it also help with employment for veterans in the US, so I think I think definitely give veterans shot over in on a normal regular high school diploma. People getting into the. Getting to the police force because the police force is such a huge responsibility I think. I think we have to make the process a little bit harder to get into this it is. Actually think it's I think you need an associates. They change in New York City from high school diploma to associate years ago but I. Honestly I kinda think. I think like just make bachelors man like I could because. I mean for some people you know they might not change them, but. You know it might do difference if you have someone with a four year degree that was in college this. Different around different people learning different types of courses like you said sociology. Psychology, and maybe maybe they should even be somewhere. Pirates four four year degree. If you want to be a police officer that you've had to have taken certain amount of credits and sociology philosophy psychology, you know things like that Maybe. Even Culture said he learn about Dell your city in your. Piece of its own, but we're seeing that this is happening, not just here. In the tri, state area or anything like that. This is something that's. That's deep in the system. It's actually nationwide. So, this is something that yet we I mean. I get they they need. They need police officers in certain regions and. It might be tough to raise the educational standards. And then also while we're talking about it. The other problem is that the people that are. Of Seniority. In police forces like. These people come from quote. Unquote old school will. Maybe the rules were different. There was a lot more racism involved time period. I mean. It was just a couple of years ago where you know Minorities and white people quote unquote had equal rights where I was passed. Even the roots voted and all that so so this is all relative news, even if you're just a generation off. You you as a child could have experienced, you know deep racism Can just be rooted in who they are like their culture, just in are just not. It wasn't something that they wanted, but it was just something that he grew up with just a societal norm. So I think even I think it goes a little bit deeper. Yeah I think. What time things are GonNa? Get better just because the future generations are just going to build upon what was built in the past. Take what's good. You know do away with what's bad. But they yeah I mean that I mean it's A. There's a lot of ways to go at it. But. Yeah I. Mean Look at your. I I think I mean if you look if you look at history and. You. See things you know. Keep getting better. It's not it's not the best, but. We're the best we've ever been. Than than ever before and like the kids today. Teenagers preteens. Even young twenties like there's no, there's. I don't see any racism I'm pretty sure some still exist, but. Just look at the protests like the peaceful protests that are happening now. There's a lot of white kids is lying kids. White people that I know that report on Instagram at the protest holding signs. So like nobody. They don't give a shit about that anymore, so. A hundred years out two hundred years. I'm not saying that there will be certain you know racism better, but I think miniscule statistically. We're going in the right direction home. Things are being amplified now through media. Yeah, yeah, and I think is good because people get to actually have a voice that never had voice. And report things that you know because social media, they report things and shut light. On on this area Palm Bay. It's your story is is very impactful, and I'm pretty sure A. Lot of people have gone through similar circumstances. I know myself I've I've gone through a similar circumstance. I never gotten never went as far as getting arrested, but yeah, just you know the the getting pulled over on. And just wrongfully accused. just because I was just in the in an area, and then it looked like everybody else, and then have guns pointed at me while I'm pullover pulled over just because. Yeah. That's good. That's wild. That's wild for. Just real quick. It's crazy. Yeah I was in in hoboken. I was I would say about say nineteen twenty years old. actually maybe just twenty-one. yeah, I was This was four. Uber eats or anything, but delivery delivery dot com existed and the DOT COM was. The owner of it. they were running out of hoboken out of like a condo. And they had a bunch of workers. Just you know they were hiring. People just to pick up orders so they would have a dispatcher. They'll call us so I. Did that for a time and I was a food delivery guy so I would just wait in hoboken because I didn't live there at the time, I grew up there and was raised there, but then. We'll have to move to Jersey City because of Gentrification, which is another another thing I experienced but but yeah so I'm here, so we would just wait. Some of the workers I know some of them, so we would wait. By this one store just because they always had snacks, drinks and stuff, where want o'clock which is waiting for call just to go pick up some food. So we would just hang out there, just talk or whatever just for the next call and I remember. I was just there was daylight. And, and. Everybody that that was there was. Puerto Rican and from Jersey City and. Yet, we just weren't dressed like everybody else was in that area and. And Yeah. I had a call I remember it was a Johnny rockets order. The solve bunny and I had my. Nineteen Ninety ACURA INTEGRA TWO-DOOR I mean. Do. This thing was like the abuser on the outside, but I love. The, motor was completely done I. Mean I love this car, but from the outside? It looks super rough like it, yeah! The paint was horrible and then. He packing the back and I was like yeah. I'M GONNA. Pick up some who makes money like just a regular day and Month deep into this job when though issues? So then I go pull out the party spot in a moment on my way to Johnny rockets and hoboken. And all of a sudden I pull off. and. I'm telling. Under cover, topsy mental where? The text of where I was doing. I thought three top quark. Continuing. Than three more of our old behind me and like active. And rounded. Might vehicle side pull out? I would say. They have their. Speakers. Instead of pullover pullover over here like man. This Johnny, rockets is about to get cold man real quick. 'cause, this is crazy. The pulled over for. What at this point? Much of the. But these guys went whole `nother level they have long. Pointed at. OUTTA might. Not Far. What the on top of my car and then put my hand on top of. The backboard. Has Been. Then once. They have their. Place, what am I doing her? I asked that. Food delivery and look. For it! They were like stop line up. And I'm hoping. You can look in the back to the have the heat rates airlines. I don't know. But. Yeah, they looked at it. They looked at me. They put their guns away immediately and a and apologized and say. Me This happened. In. The author. That people that were living in the building? Of. hanging out. On their corner. and. That's the reason why we were there they. Were there. And that every time we would get a tone fall delivered. So When they found that they. Quick. Yeah our ally, so thank God. They didn't take anything but that. That was a really impactful experience, because now every time I get pulled over because it still happens. They Yeah I really take my keys. The ignition I put the keys on top of the roof of the car and I put my hands on Bash and I've noticed the reactions from police officers after that. At and they look at me as if this guy has gone through this procedure so many times that he does this like. You know instinctually these steps, and I've never never have never gotten arrested or anything. And I but I've been pulled over tons of times just because Just you know when I was younger. I I would drive with with the Puerto Rican flag on my window on their first cars and I and I used to notice that used to get pulled over all the time and I would just go cause for no particular reason. They were just pulled me over, but I would have all my paperwork and I was always the Jit. I noticed I was like. Let me. Just take off this flag. Off this car and see what happens and literally. then. I never. A Puerto Rican flag in my car so I cannot represent. My Country and. And feel comfortable driving because I feel like I'm GonNa, get pulled over. And Yeah I'm stupid. Little things I mean I. Did that's just I mean we're just talking about police events I mean I've. I've experienced things where where I worked in in starbucks. And all the have a gold chain on and people used to like. Right people, you talk to me different. And treat me different and then I remember stopping. To where the chain, because they were talking to bounty league in Mba, angry with me like if I was going to mess up their order. To me like if I was ignorant. And meanwhile of some college at the time. And I stopped wearing the chain and just started wearing the regular starbucks uniform, and it's crazy. How people just start talking to you differently? Just treating differently and I don't know it's just. I learned. Early Age. Just don't. It sucks, but you can't really show your culture without you know. You can't project your culture and without receiving some type of flack from police. At least from my perspective in life 'cause Becca said it's always every time. I've wanted love. You know from my neighborhood. It ought. Get me. In trouble with the police someway some reason. Yeah I remember like. Now talking about little instances I remember going into. Like. In Brooklyn the will. They are owned by like spank Puerto Ricans. Dominicans like up the block that I grew up on. on one corner was the Dominican Bodega and right across the street, and the other corner was the Puerto Rican so. That was fine, but If like as a teenager I went to Christ. The king and Middle Village Queens and I used to hang out in queens a lot as a teenager, because that's where all my friends live from king, so if I went into. A grocery store out in Queens that was owned by an Asian person are Naser Person Walking in their. Forget about it if you walked to the bag like looking for a drink, or if you like taking too long because you're making a decision, what do you want to get like what kind of chips you want? They're constantly watching you thinking. thinking, you're going to steal something. And that was annoying and like I said I was smart aspect then. Ties to say you don't have to watch me I'm not stealing anything. I'm just looking for something gone. I'm making my decision. I'M NOT GONNA. Steal anything. Yeah. It used to happen in an Asian stores and Indian stores to I used to get so fucking like that will get me so mad and I would always come to the front, and so like I'm not stealing like you don't have to watch like that and other some other times I were. I would walk out and I. Buy Anything and just say I'm not buying anything because you. You Watch me like as steal something. I'm not a criminal and now not buy anything from your store so like. Even those little instances. Again with the back black community. That I'm sure happens to them as well US. Start you get angry men, and after after a while that happening, you know, you have anger inside of you and. You know that. It just gets after some time man and. This is. Just, walk out and tell them awesome Latino men. We're talking about. kind of like brush off almost like there's the tiny instances orth all. Wasn't that serious and in this? Isn't that book? I remember like. went out with a was going out with this Caucasian girl, but She couldn't there was. I forgot what the instance was exactly, but she didn't understand like. The concerns that I had driving or the concerns that at like just walking around just regular and like a neighborhood. And I would try to explain her like. There's just certain things you can and cannot do. She's just seemed oblivious. Like. What do you mean like I got to drive? Anywhere I gets A. Do this do that and I. I just feel like A. Like we say their little things, but it Kinda like. Chips away at our freedom or what we think of freedom is was if we think that it's normal for us to be, you know prejudged, and then be thought of as you know evil doer as opposed to somebody that's just you know just a regular customer near instance going to the store or or me being a delivery driver like that that just is something that. That white people just. I mean. They, really can't experience. They really can't experience. That impact so for us is tiny. Because in the scheme of things like what we're seeing on the news right now like the this is where it leads to like. That's the extreme. But but yeah, these little things hurt. They! They literally hurt and then. It becomes the stomach. Our children like we have to teach But you know just be careful because I remember when I was a child very very young. My Dad always told me just be careful. What the police always careful with the police and never get in trouble. Never get in trouble, but it was always because of the fear of once. You're in the system. there. You're there like. They can do whatever you want. They do whatever they want with you. They could come up with whatever charges they could come up with whatever story to keep you. saw at a very early age for me personally. my father taught me these things, and and yeah, just my family generally just. You know it's just something that that we we just grow accustomed to. But yeah, we can see. Now as our our voices are now being hurt more than ever. been fully because the social media. And an electronic devices. We get so do our reporting and really highlight than justice that you know that that minorities have been going through. Yemen and I. I, definitely agree, and I was just. While you were talking. I was sitting here. Thinking that you know we, we brush him off as like this little instances. And I was thinking about that why? Why do we just brushing off as little incident? Keep moving like what does that. Not As negative thing, what does that what that say about us that? We say me I just think. All right this Asian owner is you know as the by this will? This Indian owner has some vices I'm just going to get out of this store like an accepting airline. A Latin store owner and rather spend my money there. Yeah yeah like. Why is it bad? When I didn't think I'm accepting it I'm just one hundred percent elsewhere. I don't know what it is if it's character building thing that's not the way I want to build character. You know there's better ways, but unfortunately that's. I got stories for days about you know Shit Lake to seconds. This is like this like from college. I mean students in college I mean. As we're talking as we're talking about like more and more. Like I start remembering little instances. That happened. You know We could be. I can. We're live. Anywhere I can I've stores for me word. Or somebody left, attend jury, a Tangerine Picture on my desk, and then this is what I was working in. It and somebody said Tangerine Picker. That I'm a tangerine that I'm Afr- picker they were trying to say like. Mean don't know I guess that's how the Mexican or Yeah from some Italian guy. Mexican something yeah, Buddy tried to make conversation with me, awakened, and said all. My family loves GOI beans. And then yeah, I mean the list goes on and I'm just like. This isn't normal. This is. Why people don't experience it. Actually make fun of them. I mean yeah. Y-. You know it's funny. I never knew I never knew about racism until until I got to high school. Like I said on groping Bushwick and then I went to a Catholic school that was. In bushwick about four or five blocks from my house, and it was all. It was all that kids from the neighborhood There was one. Of those one black kid and he was actually half black half for weekend, and he was like one of my best friends. grown up in school. but that's it. There wasn't any. Wasn't any white kids. But when I got to high school. I don't remember the specific. Incident that I found out what racism was or that it existed. But it's Kinda. Cool that. It was like I never knew what it was until I was fourteen and got the high school But I went to Christ King High School in Middle, village and Mill village is a big talent neighborhood, so there were a lot of talent kids It's next to mass Beth is Polish kids in there. There were a lot of Irish and like I said remember what happened where I was like Oh. Shit as you know, there's something up some weird, but in high school is where I found out about racism on so like I was. Not that I was shielded from it all my life, but I was just. I was in my little world with like I guess our people, so yeah, yeah, similar thing happened to me I wasn't. We're up in hoboken. To Grammar school there I mean everything was normal I mean. Everybody was pretty much a version of Hispanic from dark skin. Spanish the to light skin and to me. That's normally you. Being amongst different colored team was normal, and then when I went on and off when you. Started sweeping through hoboken in started raising prices, burning buildings, and and trying to get people out of the neighborhood. It was predominantly Spanish at least the uptown park. And Inam when I moved to Jersey. City I'm parents. Put me in a in a Catholic school up there just to sack I got a better education. Yeah, that's when. Injured City it's very diverse area. One of the few I was one of. Two Kids in the whole class. And, yeah, it was usually singled out and like punished and. Labeled as a troublemaker and whatnot, and then ever since then it was. Pretty much the same deal until I went to high school I went to High School in Spanish neighborhood and thank God for that 'cause. Yeah because everybody saw me as you know as equals, a regular person was no, there was no bias or anything now once again it was around. You know other from dark skin, Spanish people for to light skin and it was just. You know it was. It was nice Yeah. It was as funny though actually on. That was white people in the school, but they actually. Got The lead I guess. but kind of made fun of as being quote Unquote nerds and stuff. and. It's just I. Mean I don't know. Like the. It almost flipped on its head like the racist thing. So. I DuNno Bill Yeah happens. It happens both ways you know I like I remember. I remember in high school I mean everybody's making fun of each other high school you know like. By some rights, whites and blacks lies unwise whites, and Latin like I guess it's just the thing when that happens when your kids but I'm pretty sure there are some that like to them. It's not just on. The way kids really surrounded by. Then put jokes like that I noticed. But I had. I had friends that were everything grown up. like in high school like I had white kids that were friends. You know Italians at first of all I I hate to term white, and I hate to turn black. 'cause to me. Those are like cargo Pronoun mean like type of people, but it's like colors I had. Yeah. I had Italian French. Greek friends at Irish friends then I had like South American friends you know, and of course the black friends? But like. I don't know the the whole. I like black people saying like I'm black, so that's why I respect it, but But I, you know I. Just always feel weird like all right blocked friends. I have white friends like. Your from somewhere even if you even if you were here for years or like your your family have been here for years your second third fourth generation. Why can't we just have putting American? because. You don't say like. I know now. People are sending like black and Brown people but. I don't I'm not I. Don't view. is saying like oh? You're a brown person. No Man like. All American you know and I have roots Spain. It's an important. Why don't want you to know me as? The Brown. Yeah, but that's the thing. It's always been backing white, black and white, and I remember always thinking well. What about US like? What about us? Like? Everyone's talking black and white and we're kind of like. kind of like in the middle. You know always yeah, not for awesome time. Overlooks middle of everything I got race, if you. Calling it race 'cause river. All humans were from the human race. the just I duNno I think. Pretty much just wanted to be united. Men just stop bullshit and just second. Just treat each other as equals and I mean it's crazy how? Twenty twenty. We're talking still about racial issues and. There's so much education out there. There's there's Internet there's. I mean. It's just ridiculous to me. This is still going on. hopefully this'll be something to pass something in the history books. Just right now. This is just the current situation. yeah that. That's pretty much my perspective in my take on it from my side. I mean I. Do you have anything else to add from? Yeah? I think I. Think I think We've we've done this? We've been talking a lot of good stuff. The podcast and I'll say in closing just like you say it's To me, all this stuff is silly. In Hey. I wish we could just hit pause. and. And I don't know leaders of a couple of all sides ceiling. Hey, can we hit restart and? Just love each other. That's respected chart just all the eagles. Because, there's so much time wasted. In, life. With all this racism and hate. And Life's too short and Eight people be racist against other people. We're all human. Bad humans there could humans. That's it. Just lift together and. Like I said life is short. Where here for? One Hundred Years if you're lucky, eighty five eighty. Don't you just want to enjoy life? Or you want to spend it. On, Energie hitting other kinds and fighting with each other arguing like I, I wanna live life and enjoy it. Just be happy when I'm eighty looked back. It's A. Great Life, and most of my life was was pretty good and I was happy. And you know I know they're offs in downs, but Let the towns. Just be situations about life not. Not because you know you hate somebody or somebody in you, so you know that hurts you. I just think it's song. In the grand scheme of things thinking about it this way we're on. Iraq. That's. Going that spinning around the Sun. In space. I was just floating space spinning around the sun had I don't even know how many minutes per hour. and. There are tons and tons of galaxy space is infinite, and we're like a speck of dust in this tire cosmos. And we're wasting time? This beautiful world. Silliness. I think all the silliness. Thanks. And now that's all I got. Down in. Our office. That's. Let's. Go! Back clearing. Painting a waste of energy. I think we should try to get off. Professionals. It'd be nice to get a therapist to see like what that rooted from. That's eight. And also like what's the impact on May. First of professionals point of view. Because we're here, we're. Entrepreneurs. Air I mean I I program. I'm a Latino Programmer. And Saying that this is my perspective, you have your perspective. Yeah. I mean. Don't. And saying you're Puerto Rican program because. You're the only Puerto Rican program. I ever met well. There's actually one. On twitter that were connected on twitter, but other over the UNICORNS thank. Puerto Rican programmers. We're all you got. Thanks for? Doing this with me, so you like dig deep, and then also say like perspective your story. I think this is where my favorite podcasts ever recorded I hope that. Whoever's listening. Wherever. They come from you know, look like me and you and come from areas like me you. That they, too. Can you know build something? Ability, Santa Mine and you know No. No problem, thank. Your podcast, a perk appearance and So. This more frequently and. Half sharing that story I mean. It must have been difficult tonight come. To have those thoughts be brought back up Sometimes we have to air out people to let them know that. They're not the only people that have gone through some things and. Hopefully, You know the people here this. Impact somebody in a positive way nothing that they're not alone. And I am just. Trying to get you. trying to be optimistic to the future. As just keep grabbing a keep hustling. And Yeah try to be good so that what? Your family is taken care of and yourself. All right depending. thanked. It is up at that. Metro, quota and you guys know about the total. On twitter. and not yet. So I take a stand on my daughter.

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"Today on the Callahan. Podcast got questions. We get questions like Boston Mayor Marty Walsh. Why does he want businesses to go bankrupt Congresswoman Presley? Why did she want young minority people to be unemployed? What is what is wrong with these people and of course the big question. When is Andrew Cuomo can be taken away in an cuffs? When is he going to be held accountable? Responsible for all the deaths and destruction. New York's nursing homes will talk to our Guy Scott neutered about that but also also we have sports. We got real. Sports live sports Sunday in the whole country. Most of the country is hoping for one thing. I hope and Tom Brady finally chokes. That's what they've opened for Tom. Brady finally chokes in the clutch. We'll find out Sunday afternoon. I'm Jerry Kelly and this is the Callahan podcast brought to you as always by a you digital Federal Credit Union. Whether you're buying your first home your dream home a looking to refinance the home you love. Dc You have the mortgage program to fit your needs more portly your budget that mortgage experts will walk you through the application process and help bring moved the hurdles that can make it a difficult and confusing process the bring you run up the front steps of home ownership learn more about rates and programs or to apply today at DC you dot org slash mortgage DC's equal housing lender and M L S number four. Six six nine one four insured by NCUA membership required. I let's do this. This is the Gerry Callahan. Podcast you live on facebook. You come on pay attention here. There's one thing so lots of things you don't know but we've only known each other for few months but there's one thing I've been saying for years I've felt this way my whole life. I don't like space. I hate space. I don't watch space movies. I've never sat and watched the Star Wars as any star wars movie. I've against the spruce force you know trump supporter but the space forces silly even though it has a new flag. I don't care about NASA generally space movies. I'm not into you come on this morning before we start recording start about this alternate parallel universe. I saw the story. I read about a paragraph. I don't understand it you're into it so let's get this out of the way. Tell me wouldn't you need an interview today sir? Nine minutes while no just means everything goes it goes reverse. It's like Benjamin Button and you get to make make your mistakes. And then they all get a race like they never happened. It's beautiful right. Just THINK ABOUT CARTON. Colon doesn't understand what you're talking about you. There's an alternate universe. What does that river? It's not in this realm. It's not like off now. No no NASA saying that. There's there's a parallel universe where everything time goes backwards. So it's like basically a rewind button. It's unbelievable I mean. If you went there you would have had a few years. You grads it depends on when I went there if I went there now. I'd have to wait a cool twenty on the forty four. Yeah Twenty twenty four years I would go back and then I would start but or years from now I would have a full head of hair and it would look great. I Well I've made. I've made culinary barstool correspondent. He's into all the bus to gossip. He's he reads about it list. All their podcast loves the BAR STA TO CALL her. Daddy girls maybe give us an update later on that day. But you can be my space correspondent. 'cause I don't care about space and I don't read stories about ultimate parallel universes. I don't understand it and I don't think it matters and always bugs me when we when we invest billions in NASA. When we have real problems you know we have this huge debt deficit. We have we have. I don't know if you hear where this we have pandemic going on trump's in the White House waving into space force flag literally and I'm going not now not now chief how about you. Put that off to another day with things are better right now. We have real problems and one of them is not that we don't have a space force that we haven't gone to them onto Mars. You obviously didn't watch Armageddon with Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck because they went immunity Bruce back on the auto sat at the media or got on went or draw. Yeah and then. He pulled suit. What a great dramatic. Move as tearjerker. Brenda flick had to get back. Ill elderly take care of live. Tyler's daughter what an emotional moment that was. That was really great. Any Save the world. You know the bravest guy in the world so I mean you should want have the space the space program Derek. There may be a meteor Sunday. The way things are going two thousand and twenty. It may be on its way right now. I that's something I say. You know. It might happen. But what are you GonNa do about right you? Only as they say you know. Sports Mute the only control which could control and we can't troll whether a media is going to hit us and if it does we should send Bruce Willis up. He's got nothing else to do We'll certain roussel which Sandra Bullock and George Clooney. When they were out space and that she she lands like in the mud at the end the red her. What was that one? Yeah Once it won an Academy Award. But it's like the whole movie was shot in some weird way and she was the only character for for most of the movie. George Clooney like died in the first then he comes back as a dream or something or a hallucination and the other. I didn't mind Matt Damon on Mars. I'll tell you why it reminded me of like castaway. There's some movies where you spend the whole time or much of the movie wondering you know. What would you do? Could you do this? Like castaway to watch castaway Mexico. Say What would I do what I survive what I would I be? Okay what I get off the island what I just die there. Would I hang myself like Tom? Hanks tried to do and that movie. Same with with Matt Damon during that Movie San. Can I do this? Can I grow potatoes and survive on Mars for? I don't know how long was it two years or something so yes okay. Movies are okay. Much better than star wars or close encounters of the third kind. I don't care what any of those movies and I don't care about your you like the movie where Matt Damon May Potatoes. Shit and ate them and you didn't like he didn't like any of the star wars movies really don't even watch. I rest lost space or any of those shows when I was a kid. They just I don't know they don't. I can't get into space. Sorry but we get a lot. We got by crowd. I get it right before you go too deep because we got a guest coming on a little bit but I do want to know so I'm GonNa take schiffer this Gerry Callahan. Things the common themes that come up that you hate you hate space now. I didn't know the space thing. What else am I missing here? Like the people are going to be like no. He also hates X. Date you didn't bring up. So what are the other way. Other things Liberals didn't we didn't know that one I mean I don't hate hate wrestling wrestling. I hate looking at hate wrestling. Talk hate wrestlers in the whole thing a been to wrestling shows. They're awful terrible influence. Children if you let your child go to a restaurant show the terrible. A wrestler died yesterday basically telling telling the The people trying to save him go get my son he died. Who was the Guy Wrestlers? Did you read that story? I start but you know what it's unusual that a guy drowned because usually these guys died of drug abuse You know of their heart explodes. Because they've been on steroids for so long life for a wrestler. I don't know his name. I don't compare it added. Hush adding Gaspard Lynn iconic grown men talk about wrestling a just a disappoint me. They're more important things to discuss. You know school. Wwf NOT WWE. That's old school. Wwf THIRTY WWF. Now they got sued. Brad I think you should had a show when Jerry Stiller died to have jerry airing of grievances where he can list his own festivus in honor of Jerry Stiller to talk about everything that he hates people have them up. I think that would have been a great Gerry Callahan podcasts. It's kind of is kind of ongoing theme. We do that. We do that most days. I tell you I tell you one thing. I don't know if you wear this Dave. I hate the Boston Globe. You were. We're not little known fact. And I got to the point where I have to once in a while. Whether you or somebody else points out to me I have to clear out my history of computer. You're allowed to read a couple of free stories a month. The Boston Globe cost nine cents for six months way overpriced. I can't afford it. I don't want it so I have to clear out my history just to read a story occasionally in the Boston Globe had to do that yesterday. Because of this amazing story it it is and I'll say it again bustle abuse to have a comic section. They don't have it anymore because they don't need it. The rest of the paper is just a joke it's laughable. It's funny it doesn't really bother me anymore. It just makes me laugh and they have this column. That is the two things that is in every column in Moscow of just above A. It's really poorly written. They don't have good writers anymore. Except maybe Jeff Jacoby. The rest of them are hacks. There are like sixth grade reading level. This would be one of them and you gotTa hate trump got hate everything about trump. You gotTa hate every right every Republican. That's what you do. That's how you get a job at the globe but this you made me do. This actually did it. This morning. I cleared my history and I read this column by Jinnai Ostra held. Now I don't know. Is that a man or a woman. Gena of heard the name before we think. It's a woman Dave you think it's yes we think shall I had to read it because she attacks our guy our guy I don't know. Did you hear Frank Mendoza with US yesterday? Mu Fragment does Monica's treachery in the North End. And he's now a folk hero. He did one interview on TV and it went viral. And a you know. Portnoy tweeted it then. The president yet. He's he's a big star now. We had him on yesterday. If you didn't hear it. He was great. He's he's not backing down. He's ready to open. His restaurant is Fed up like every every every Small Business Person. He's trying to save his business. While the forces in government around here the mayor the governor the globe are working against him trying to ruin him trying to put him out of business trying to put all his employees out of work and I knew the globe would come out against him. They don't like small business. People especially minorities. He's a is families from Brazil. He's a hard working guy. The hate that they like the non working class. They support people who who do nothing. Collect check that's the kind of Audience now but this this this. May this was incredible culinary in this column by J? She says she calls Let let me just read one paragraph it so poorly written. It's not my fault but she's against You know bringing the economy back opening up anything. She's against Jinping. She's against small business people. She wants this economy to completely crash and she writes about Frank Meadows. She quotes him saying that he worked twenty five years to get here twenty five hard years. I'd rather die than lose my business. That's what he said. That's what lots of small business people think we've talked to a few. I have friends. They would rather die than lose everything they've built in last twenty five thirty thirty five years and he said she says and he wants to take his customers down in the process. Mendoza at he hasn't practiced social distancing. No one should have shut down. Their business deals pandemic. But it's not your right to risk lives all this time. I thought though sandwiches were so good because they were made with love. No more murder subs for me. Yes this actually. Someone wrote that edited it and put it in the Boston Globe. This man now is sir. Food she says are those are murder subs. What's actually a good review though? It's a good review because it tastes good. It's just gonNA kill you in. I mean it's the best he's GonNa get with murders yeah. He doesn't introduce new murder sub out to his menu missing youth opportunity because a law. Bertarelli extra May. I tipped them off as soon as I saw this. I took a screen shot of that thing. I texted him and I wanted him to say something crazy but he just wrote back. What a joke. Let them say it. I don't care that you put up a murder subs. Here's the thing. Though is the Boston Globe. I mean John. Henry's he's losing a fortune but he doesn't care he's like Jeff bezos it's vanity project. I mean he doesn't care the revenues in the toilet. The circulations in the toilet doesn't matter. He wants to have a voice. So that's why the globe props up the Boston Globe. So he pays this person. I Guess Chennai Who's an awful writer but I would think you would want your writers to be informed. You'd want them to. This is the biggest story of our lives. This pandemic you would want to be. Do you want them to be? You wouldn't wanted to be ignorant right. You'd want them to understand the issue. This person is just dumb. A main what the hell is a murder. Sub I mean. Is this person like over sixty and obese. 'cause if I know the F. Initiative according to her a murder sub is a sub that is cooked by an individual who is not prop who has admitted that he has not properly socially distanced during this virus. Pep added the. I have a question though along. Those lines is What is the mortality. The mortality rate of Coronas now at eight hundred percent so that everyone that gets it is. I could've sworn say we talked about things that I can't stand right on. Tall can't tolerate anymore. Reached that point mute. And you have to. I think we adjust I have. I'm all for discussing this. A Mulford debating it but you gotta read up. I mean you gotta understand gotTa know that this pandemic this virus is not killing children. If you don't know that you're just dumb Not Paying attention. You GotTa know that you don't have to wear a mask while you're running or riding. Your bike does no none. No evidence of out door transmission. Particularly when you're by yourself that's not how people get it. You know how they get. It will say it one more time by staying home by staying endorsed. That's how it is transmitted. That's how it is transferred. You don't get you don't need to put a mask on your four year old child. If you do that you might as well have a thing or your forehead saying I am stupid. If you put a mask on a four year old you are stupid. Not only that. I think you're dangerous. I think you're scaring the kid unnecessarily. I mean the fact that we keep kids home from school today now after. All we've learned is insane. Kids should go to school today. Like right now that she getting up and going to school that the these these suburban soccer moms of these crazy ill-informed liberals guston globe types. These Marty Walsh type. Yana Presley types. Just don't know what they're talking about. I don't know how many times I can rant about it. I don't know how many times you can hear whoever talk about you. Know Tucker Carlson or or Mark Levin or or me. How many times do you have to hear it before you understand your four year? Old Child is not going to get it and is not gonNA give it. They're not the thing is the mask when you're exercising is actually more dangerous to you than it is the other way and the craziest thing that these pandemics are big things take on is when you started powering other people to become social judges. Were there the people now because they read a bit and piece of something or see something on TV that they now decide that they need to enforce social policy and that they need to be the ones that tell you how to live and if you don't the evil is and the judging and the posts on social media where they get to be judge jury and executioner to a to a group of people and that has been empowered through all this and that's the thing that's the most annoying thing about it that everyone feels the right chime in and tell other people how to live their lives based on what either a bit or piece of information that they get and the best might promote the people that will come in? They're wearing all the gloves. And the have the hats and they put the gloves on and then they come into a store and they start touching everything in the store with the gloves right and then they go to another store and they wear their gloves they they touch other stuff that they don't buy that. They put back on the shelves realizing that that's more harm than if they were just didn't have the gloves on because if the gloves carry the all those things with it too but yet. They think that they're the heroes of the world and saving the world when they're probably doing more harm by wearing gloves and doing all it. Such look you know. It's amazing mute. As people driving their cars alone with masks on and and it just it I'm star. It is maddening. I want people to read up. I wanted to understand. You know who is affecting it as a targeted virus that the demands targeted response. It's killing people in nursing homes particularly in north and New New York New Jersey and Massachusetts where you have incompetent governors where you have a made a New York. If this thing doesn't end if this thing does not end with Andrew Cuomo being taken away in handcuffs being tried and convicted of manslaughter. I'll be disappointed and I. I know you never gonNa hear the maintenance the Boston global ignore this and the CNN. God knows last night. Cuomo was on again with his brother and they were joking about. How big is knows is how big. The Swab is what he gets tested. This is after more than five. Thousand people have died in nursing homes and much of the put in there that he put because he put it affected patients in their. He killed two people. This man who is an icon to too many people in the Democrat Party is is the most dangerous man in America New Jersey's not far behind with a with with Governor Murphy another incompetent in here in Massachusetts. We have over eighty. I think almost ninety sold veterans dead in the soldiers home because of the incompetent leadership the Charlie Baker Administration. It is maddening. Nadler Watch this. Go on his his Cuomo said yesterday. It's trump's fault it's trump's fault because the the guidelines said we had to put infected people in nursing home if that's true. Why didn't they all die in Florida and Georgia and in every other statewide New York New Jersey? Why because those governors didn't do this? I heard a number yesterday. Just blew my mind descent. This and I wanNA play the scientists. He's a big star coming out of this. There's some people who are merging big stars and an and one of them one of them's to Santa's and another one is Kaley mcilhenny. We'll get the both of those two who are merging from this crisis as stars but descent. This said yesterday that in Florida and we all expected Florida to burn to explode to be the worst place worst hotspot of all because they have so many elderly and if so many people flying in and out it's amazing how good they did how how well descent stayed in the state of Florida looking at the numbers. Right now Mute two thousand dead total they have more people and many many more elderly in Florida than a New Yorker to Jersey. Two Thousand Total Cuomo kills that many people before breakfast in New York. Eight thousand seven hundred fifty eight dead more than five Bowden People in nursing homes. Who should who could possibly be alive today? Then on the New York that went down to Florida once this pandemic hit that left New York the infected had and went down to so. That's that's another big factor that people haven't taken in. Listen listen to this fact that I think there's almost four thousand nursing. Homes assisted living facilities and other long term care facilities for elderly in Florida. You've been there. They're on every street corner right. Yeah they you've had like just over a thousand nursing home deaths. They don't even average one per nursing home now one in Florida in New York. They're wiping out whole wings of nursing homes in New Jersey. Same thing to say. This is a hero here. He locked down the nursing homes back when this thing started. Just like. You're supposed to do just like we should have done in Massachusetts and New York and New Jersey. What he has done is remarkable. Yeah I wrote it down. Four thousand nursing homes. They don't even have four thousand total deaths. They got two thousand in a state bigger bigger. They're trying to numbers out to disprove his numbers down there to say that they're fudging the numbers down in Florida and that's that's what started his rant yesterday. My my question for the for the Baker Administration Marty Walsh and back to to frank is their economic people on the staff that go through the the analysis in like if we're allowed restaurants open up at forty to sixty percent capacity that's worse for the restaurants than it is to to just keep them shot because of the cost to run a restaurant and everything else that goes it's it's like they don't do any feasability studies to figure out like does this make sense for these businesses because we're not gonNa let me let me answer that for you. Yes to the have science to the have you know people who data the answer is no. I'm telling you right now. They operate on emotion. The operate on hunches from the from the governor. The Mayor Mayor Walsh. She could see it again. You Know I. I don't Hate Mayor Walsh. She means well but it's just an emotional liberal who sits here. I'm not really ready for that. At twenty five percent in a restaurant I feel like a little bit too much you know. Should we open up that you know that retail store now? I'm not really ready. That's the way they react as as our friend. Michael Graham wrote this morning in the Boston Herald and this. I recommend this is well written. Of course it's in a better newspaper. Real newspapers in the Herald Unlike Jiminez piece of garbage this is well said he says why do Mayor Walsh and Yana? Presley want businesses to fail. Why do they want people to go to be unemployed? Because that's basically what they're doing the same. These businesses are on the brink of bankruptcy. Screw them let them fail. And it's going to happen and it's going to get worse because we have the worst leadership if you're a if you're a capitalist free-market guy this is not the place for you because they have the boot on their on your throat right now and they're not taking it off yesterday a couple of days ago. Mardi Wall said he's not ready. Not It's too soon all other nonsense. I Presley the congress person from from this area said. I think it's too soon. The governor's rushing the governor's being impatient. We are last in America in Massachusetts last to open up most things last. That'd be fiftieth and this Congress. Brady's it's to Ciller every businesses shuttered. Well the other things that you need to understand through all this is there's twenty seven million unemployed ready in the US right the the problem and the people that it's hurting the most are the lower the lower income people. Because if you look and you listen to what people are saying about. The economy is that most people are expecting Middle Class and upper class jobs or white collar. Hire a white collar jobs to come back after this but the blue collar jobs that are going to be lost. Some of them are going to be lost permanently in those of the people that need it the most This this has hurt the lower. The lower blue class worker more than anything. And they're the ones that are suffering the most. Nfl their inability to work. Eventually the government's not going to be able to write checks for the rest of their lives and the reason they're not going back because they're making more Sitting on the sidelines. And that's a poor precedent to set because that's something that cannot last year and don't want to acknowledge that that they these that these these jobs that if they continue to not go to work or have them. They're not when we when the the ability to open up and you can't always wait for one hundred percent certainty for this is just not realistic. And it's not as not going to happen in the and the and it's also widening widening the the haves and the have nots. And that's just another terrible cause and effect from all of this and what they're doing is actually making it. Worse will grow. Michael Grimm writes that this morning that Forty percent of Americans making less than forty thousand dollars have lost lost a job in March in March. This from Fed chairman. Jerome Powell forty percent of the would be working or lower. Working Class lost their jobs in March. Today we're going to get numbers. It's going to be forty million unemployed and we have leaders who don't miss a day of work I mean. Don't miss his paycheck. Their pensions are all for them. Their cushy lives there there. You know the these pampered. Pukes are missing nothing and they're looking at people who are working for live and people who are waitresses or clerks at the stored clothing store. They look at them and saying screw you I Anna Presley Marty Walsh. Don't give a damn about them. They want to appear compassionate. They want appear like they care about people that care about working people. What it's just the opposite as Mike as Grand points out Presley and marsh. Walsh want people out of work. 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We're looking at your front page right now in the New York Post one man's plea one man's plea and the lockdown. Now I think and maybe this just a a twitter thing so far but I think this is going to have a real impact Because I it's kind of a wake up call. It lays out the case of the insanity of this lockdown. Did you know it was going to be on page? Did you know you're going to get this kind of play I I had written it. on a staff writer for the federal. It and I wrote it originally per outlet but also occasionally right for the post so I took it to my editor at the post thinking probably going a little far for them But after a couple of days they said they wanted to run it they decided they wanted to run it on the cover and I think the momentum is just moving so hard correction that if something that I think a lot of people feel needs to be now page. This is page one. It says the big apple is denying it. Streets are empty. Tens of thousands have been plunged into poverty. Our leaders have no plans. No answers New Yorkers have already learned to socially distances businesses can't adjust the elderly and infirm can continued isolated. That is so well said it so simple and it applies by the way to Boston and everywhere else in the country. That still shut down. I mean we're behind you and New York here in Boston. Do Do you find it? Amazing frustrating maddening. That people can't understand such a simple plea that we're we're not all on the same page. I do find it frustrating and I think that they're obviously legitimate competing interests here and of course we have to keep especially the most vulnerable say from the corona virus but not only the economic devastation which is which is huge and vastly important. I'm certainly here in New York. I'm in Boston. But where the point where? People can't get cancer screenings where where people are. Falling into addiction depression. And and so. They're they're the cost of wives on the other side of the salad. She as well and I think that operating in this panic of nobody read. Your House is obviously apple. David What are you GONNA do In your part this Memorial Day weekend as Mayor de Blasio Has shut the beaches. Are you to go to the beach and make your stand and you know. Put a towel down. Grill some burgers on the beach. Somewhere to try to get your movement going in the right direction. Chronicling the island. So that's That's that's certainly an option Yeah I don't have specific clients but it's an interesting point because I think all over the country you are all day. I have colleagues who And said one colleague gone in Texas and several each so I. I do think that this'll be a situation where you need moved that direction there. Do you think We will ever will. Will we ever see justice done? And as far as Andrew Cuomo goes. It is amazing today when you look at the numbers how many dead in New York versus Florida and Texas and Georgia. His competence is killing people. And yet you see the media see CNN and others. I'm sure New York New York Times. They still love him. They still defend them. They circle the wagons around him. Will will we ever you the truth ever come out about this guy and just how much damage she's done. David I think that will in the long run. I think the facts are facts and numbers will be the numbers but one of the things I trailing trying to because I some early on. He was presenting a tone of leadership that a lot of people sort of polar opposite of Chrisitan often sort of off the cuff remarks that got pump into a little trouble especially early on. And and all this and I think that the media Miss Mis- Cook His Co. And him having you know being a big political family and having a lot of political chops core competence And I think that's something. Everybody needs to be careful about because we've spent three years so worried about you. Know the credit column of you know on the talk. You know somebody who set up there and says exactly the right thing but it doesn't mean that they're doing exactly exactly the right once I I think I is. Every time I see him with his brother and their giggling last night was about the swamp and the size of his nose. I think the thousands of people who lost parents grandparents just how maddening must be to watch these two giggle every night and watched the Listen to other people in the media just just genuflect to this man who literally sent Corona virus patients into nursing homes and and and caused the death of thousands when in Florida and other places they said No. We're not doing that. I don't think he's a candidate for to replace Biden anymore. I think that at least that ship has sailed what you agree David. So I think that that Probably but it's not even a fantasy anymore Like I said we can't run away from the numbers and you're exactly right. I mean right saying. It's keys when governor conflict Georgia recycle case reopening. The Atlantic magazine ran a headline. That literally called I crazy Yeah I I you know not a good. Not a good team governor right down. I grew from to run and a little bit. But we'll see if it says on public run them but presently the cracks. Don't look good. Have you got a feeling that they they're the leadership there has lost like their constituents on the people are all these people still thinking that they're doing the greater good are the majority of people. Think that what they're doing is helping the situation or at this point. Are they starting to question? What's really going on? Are they afraid to ask questions or they actually willing to go out there and start to do something about it? I mean a cargo. Because we're all pretty much our houses so we can only really judge side off of people in our networks and stuff like that. I can't back in New York City but there there definitely people are starting to move around again. I live very close to the Brooklyn Queens Expressway in every day. But that's sort of famous for being gridlock. All the time and it credit cards could be in the heck that streaker in Brooklyn much more very offensive about as much as they can. I think that's what's GonNa Happen David in Boston as well as New York. Is the shutdowns going to end when people decide it's GonNa end when they open restaurants when they opened stores in mass in only so much? That you know de Blasios stormtroopers can do if you know. He says they're GONNA young people out of the water and when they go. And what if what if you know? Thousands of people go into water. What can you do probably crepe and the cold front of right I to be spying mater? Violent calling wrongful on a critique. I'm ready Brooklyn Mathis I. It's reached that point. Hopefully you know. The pendulum has swung and more people looking at the way you and I am David excellent piece today. I'm glad they put it on page one. I'm glad it's gone viral. I think it's GonNa have a real impact I know. I know you didn't expect it but I think This this this piece you wrote is going to resonate excellent job David. Marcus from the federalist thanks for joining US Oracle. I you know what's going to happen. Mute. I don't know what's going to happen here New York. There's going to be like a thousand restaurant. Owners are going to band together. I mean fragment noses said it. They're going to say let's just do. Let's open up. I mean lots of the cops don't want would force this stuff. You see them some the literally announcing that the not GonNa enforce some of these strict guidelines not GonNa bust people for not wearing masks outdoors for not keeping six feet away from their spouses. Mean COPS COPS. No these are unreasonable. Orders that laws and their orders. And they're not gonNA enforce them and then the whole thing's just GonNa fall apart. I don't know what Martin is GonNa do. Would you go back to your office? And it's more than twenty five percent capacity. What is Mardi going to do? That's going to be interesting. Some people can stay six feet away from their spouses quite easily. I I can't wait for for trump to re tweet this and praised the dated article today. It's only a matter of time before it's major you already has. He's going to be Frank Mendoza up today For for the administration than and saying what everyone has been trying to say the the entire time? I think it's I think it's funny when you listen to to to these people that that actually open up in one and want to get people out back to work at love the I love the narrative the two narratives of if you WANNA go back to work. You're immediately a murderer. Which to me is amazing. Step from one disease agency and then the the other part that I love is the people that want to just stay locked up for just a big part of it. A big part of it as they you know they want to hurt trump. They want the lockdown Alaska's the longer last better chance that you know sleepy creepy Joe Biden. Has I think someone like I on a Presley. That's her motivation. I mean she doesn't care so many working class people are district are unemployed. Doesn't care that small business people run under. She doesn't care we clearly. We know that now. Ion Oppressing Walsh do not give a damn about working people. It's that's all a ruse. But they do care about Joe Biden. They do care that the you know the trump that they can hang this whole thing this economy unemployment rate around trump that's priority and and the biggest the biggest fear that have is that we end the lockdown and things as trump keeps saying. This economy's GonNa go off like a rocket I'll defer to you on this. But that's their biggest fear that when we end lockdown when we reopen things go great. That's what Marty's afraid of. Well yeah well. That's the other big is at. This is the one that baffles me. The most is that you know in David's article. He talks about Georgia and Florida. And how when they went back out. People are genuinely cheering for for viruses to go up and up and deaths to go up when their whole argument for not going up a for not going to work is to save lives and that people don't die so they're actually cheering for people to die to prove their point which is to me is the most ass backwards logic of all time. Can you legitimately cheer for people to be unsuccessful and and so quote unquote die because they want to prove your point that is the most idiotic idiotic self centered view that you can absolutely have and if you say that you're just hoping and waiting for it to happen? You really need to check yourself in new institution because you have some serious issues. If you're cheering for people to die so that your narrative is proven to be correct. Very simple moot orangemen bad they want. Orangemen to fail and right now they have hoped they have hoped that they can bring him down in November even other COMP. Their candidate is incompetent. They think that if this can last a little longer into the summer maybe we can get a spike if you're IANNA Presley that's your top priority. Hurt Stop the evil orange man. But here's what I like is when people Fightback obviously trump fights back to a fault. Sometimes it's crazy when he attacks whatever people on twitter the gets attracted and he starts talking about you know the the the hope the Russian hoax and he just goes down a rabbit hole each discern to die on. He really does. He teach he fight like when some of the things that he says about whether it's investigating. Obama drew in all the other stuff. But then you expect them to take the bait when Pelosi calls morbidly obese. And He Kinda just dismisses he does Nyah. I mean it's just some of them. They're they're maddening. The listen to because you're just like Oh my God your twelve year old child. Just let it go get back. He's going to get back the Pelosi. You don't you wait. Don't you worry? He didn't say much the first time he was asked about it. He will. He's going to get back to two point. Two point four million jobs lost again this week. That's almost forty. That's almost forty million. Since the pandemic began again ianna Presley Charlie Baker all in power around here Cuomo. They don't care to Blasio. Do not care. Forty million unemployed doesn't bother them a bit there. Okay with I don't understand. Why also the the goalposts constantly get moved in this situation because when this originally started eight weeks plus ago it was you know. Don't along hospitals and take care of the elderly the most or the most at risk group right. And then once that had kind of been curtailed in you see the amount of people that are hospitalized. The changed in a now it became you know kids go back to school until there's a vaccine or until this has gone so. I don't understand how that came about and I don't understand why it constantly gets keeps getting moved because they keep they keep changing it and they're Although they've gone in this phase things were you're saying the plan there's no real it hasn't been articulated like what their idea behind. They initially initiated the phases. That this is what you can do in these are the places you can go but the re. There's no reasoning behind it. They don't choose to tell us their thought processes to okay. We want to get back to where we this is how we're going to do it. The phases don't really blame that so it's all it's working to make it up as they go along which is not really. If you're doing that then you can. All of a sudden expect people to just be locked in their houses in. Just say okay could because you say so because you say so you don't have is but just because you say so. That's why you're starting to see more traffic because people are just starting to just be like art enough. You're not telling his figuring out and we talked about this with the fragment dose of their in with other business owners haircutters gym-owner this week. We've done a lot of this and their people are now realizing that the decision makers don't know what they're doing that the Charlie Baker and Your pal turtle boy had a great piece. I tweeted it out. I hope people really yesterday. Not only as the journalists not only is the best journalist annoying on. He might be the only one because as I. This is the kind of thing. The Boston Globe would do if Baker Republican but he exposes Baker for the fraud that he is turtle boy does simple one guy since then as computer and writes about this company Baker made a press conference at this company called Simmons that makes expensive luxurious bathroom fixtures or something but they adjusted in. Made some stupid thing as supposed to help you open a door without touching it. And he went out there and he did a press conference usual nonsense talking about how we all have to. Whatever social distancing wash our hands it was a follow up I pal who owns the property who donates to him and turtle digs a little bit finds out that the guy laid off over one hundred people. Just blade them off and the thing. He's making as useless so the whole thing was just a a clown show another one. Baker does one of these almost every day. And if you haven't read turtle you've gotTa show you that these these people he's not on the level Charlie pickers not on the level. The he is taking lots of money from nursing homes even though he's mismanaging them and he's taken care. Buddies donors pals like the guy running this company. Simmons yesterday and the whole thing is a joke again. Why don't you write your office in Boston? He wants offices to go back at twenty five percent capacity. How many people were can your offs? I mean there's thousands of people that work in office and we're also in the middle of a construction project for our office. So they're combining offices that got delayed as well The thing I love about Turtle Boys Article and what he does is that he. He's very good at this and usually a good reporter should do this. Is You? Follow the money right? The money's GonNa lead you to a lot of the answers that where you get to. And he did a great job of that then article. Because I'm sure there's money given to Governor Baker campaign right there that get a nice little photo. Op Do that when you find out all the dirt dirt behind it. That's that's the best part. Because that's when you find out and you can even look at the phases and look at the reasons to why the the things get opened up. You gotTa See who's given the most money to the to the parties and you hate to say it but it's you believe in the institution in your government but let's be honest now. It's what gets you re elected what you're going to take care of the most. Because that's whoever's up you out is going to get is GonNa get it and it's been that way I. It was a mope. People are like Frank. Mendoza used to support Walsh's Baker now. His is eyes are open. He's realizing they don't care about him. Hoping People realized like Marty Walsh when he says you know. We're not ready. We're not ready ready for what nothing in if you will today saying. Your office opens today. Nothing that's going to happen today isn't going to happen in two or three weeks. Nothing's changing the virus. There's no vaccine. The virus still going to be an issue. You have to deal with in three weeks or five weeks or eight weeks. There's no reason but I'm repeating myself I WANNA get into Santa's because I love this rant. I want more these rants because these are the people who have been slander and libel this government camp and Georgia Governor Apple Texas and especially Ron to Santa's Florida and he was told. Oh you're GONNA kill people. The nursing homes wiped out. You don't know what you're doing. The beaches people are on the beach. They're all going to die. He heard this stuff for weeks and now eight weeks down the road. He is An example of how a governor should do his job and protect his people and to Santa's went off in really in trump style. He kind of he did a trump pointing at the media and just and then just letting them have it and I loved it. Transparent in fact actor burks has talked Multiple Times about how Florida has the absolute best data. So any insinuation. Otherwise is just typical heart isn narrative trying to be spun and part of the reason that because you got a lot of people in your profession who waxed poetically for weeks and weeks about Al Florida was going to be just like New York. Wait two weeks Florida's going to be nuts just like Italy wait two weeks. Well Hell were eight weeks away from that and it hasn't happened not only do we have a lower death rate while we have way lower s generally lower death rate than the Selah or DC. Everyone up there. We have a lower it desperate in the Midwest Illinois Michigan Indiana Ohio but even in our reap in Louisiana Mississippi Alabama. Georgia Florida has the lower death rate and I was the number one landing spot from tens of thousands of people leaving the number one hot zone in the world to come to my safe so we've succeeded and I think that people just don't want to recognize it because it challenges. Their NARRATIVE CHALLENGES THEIR ASSUMPTION. So they got to try to find. Boogeyman. Maybe it's at their black helicopters circling the department of Health. If you believe that I got a bridge in Brooklyn like to sell you right president when he did it but it see so right. It's it was all these predictions of gloom and Doom David. Marcus said when Georgia opened up ahead of everybody The Atlantic magazine said. This is an experiment in human sacrifice. There was predictions of just waves and spikes all the cliches ever was going to die the mayor of Atlanta who was against opening up. She's a liberal of course and she was against Kemp opening up. She said she was Raunchy. Admitted it didn't happen. It didn't happen all these media people all of them all the networks all the scene ends. Msnbc's all of them were wrong about Florida. They were wrong about Georgia and they were wrong about you. Know Andrew Cuomo and Charlie Baker these. These guys are incompetent. And we're seeing it now again. Florida is bigger than New York. Two thousand deaths total New York. Twenty eight thousand seven hundred and fifty eight and at least five thousand of those Iran Cuomo's hands but could risk right at least not. You don't see many politicians stand on a soapbox admit that they made a mistake. They usually try to pawn it off on someone or they received bad data from somebody else. Bert Kudos to that I. This goes back to the whole thing. It's like when that the Atlantic when you write that article your to write an article. We are endorsing your view that you want to see other people die so it proves your point. You're sick oh you're sickle person wants us. They are sick. They are sick. They have trump arrangements syndrome. That's what trump does these people they want death and destruction as long as it gets on trump me cuomo actually blamed trump yesterday. Which is yeah. He can't take blame for anything. He's the worst hysterical about Donald. Trump is his ability to piss people off so much that they're willing to do whatever it takes to just try to get their pound of flesh from him and the confident a bit of a tries that these people tried to do to to go after an attack that blow up in their face. It's like it's absolutely hilarious. Like he just sits back there and goes all right. Who Am I going to my fuck with today? Like who am I really GonNa Piss off today? And then he does it and it just sends people into a whirlwind. They get so Rattled that they just spent so much time trying to prove him wrong and disprove all his stuff that they totally get off the point of what they were trying to do in the beginning. It's actually an impressive impressive. Towns Rattle People's cages as much as he does. It is amazing. And he's got the perfect spokeswoman we'll get to her Kaley mcenaney of the newel the new idol out there I'm telling you to Santa's has been good. He's emerged from. This is kind of a star and maybe a potential presidential candidate down the road instantly. Kaley mcenaney is a darling of the right including this ruse right-wing zealot because I am enjoying the hell. She's better than trump with the media. She's better than trump. She's been great But we'll get to Kaley and after I talk about shake concrete. We get a lot of other things to get to with the man Shea. Concrete is few homeowners and home builders. Did you know the my brother-in-law Greg has a huge selection of pre cast concrete steps of cautioned. It up and telling you about this this perfect spring projects. This is the way to improve your home improve the value of your home and if you build a home that build a better home She has great buys designs Rennie. The homes available in concrete or customized with beautiful stone granite or brick things these days. But you can do this. 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I mean she'll be around politically for a long time but the job doesn't exactly seem to be the most secure job in politics. You know what how one press conference Anthony. Scaramucci can tell you that. It doesn't take. It takes a great. The best part is it's like she's very well prepared when she goes into these meetings. And she's she's prepared and she's unemotional. She doesn't get riled she just When you ask the question back to the reporters that back to that is the biggest tail smack like Asmat that you can get. And She just loves for every question. She doesn't seem even want the you know the the the friendly questions. She wants the hostile ones. She wants to put them in their place and she e-right she doesn't get emotional. Unlike prompt she does not sign nasty. Question says I'm glad you had that I wanNA talk about this at. She's got me notes and research is ready to go every day. I'm I mean I'm not saying she's going to be the spokesman for forty years Dave. I'm saying she's going to be around. She'll be on right and book should be speaking. She'll be the next whatever. Ann Coulter Writing Columns and burn places down but yesterday I tweeted this one out. I don't know if you have it. But she put Chris Cuomo that punk in place. Because Chris Cuomo was literally a blasting trump for taking trucks. This was a weird one. When trump enough that he was taking the drug Hydroxy Quinn and the media went nuts including Neil cavuto. San Don's irresponsible. What the hell are they talking about? He was prescribed a drug. It's a preventive drug a crook lactic and And they went nuts. Like why are you doing this? What do they care? I mean what do they want him to get sick? They won't go away. Why do they care if he takes a dangerous drug a and do we really think? He didn't without a prescription without consulting his doctor. I thought you'd like to patient relationship with sacrosanct. I thought we weren't allowed to get in the middle of patient. And his or her doctor that too but hydrochloric when has been around for forever and it's FBI route it's it's FDA approved. This is not like some rogue drug. He's not just buying smack in the street and shooting it in his veins. You know he's not this is this is the FDA approved drug that Dr approved of its ensnare. Four was weird anyway. She just kills Chris Cuomo because guess what Chris Cuomo took the same drug in fact he took a more dangerous version of the same drug when he was pretending to have a survey that he was not pretending that was real he was in his. He was fighting the struggle Jerry. How dare you question that you sunup? It's true he'd had a because he gave it to everybody else in his family because he actually Florentine over clocking and other unique Clinton had Jimmy. Kimmel saying the President's Oh trying to kill himself by making it you had Joe Scarborough saying quote will kill you. Neil Cavuto saying what have you got to lose them? One thing you have to lose our lives on and you had Chris Cuomo saying the president knows that hydroxy chloroquine is not supported by science. He knows it has been flying flagged by his own people. And he's using it while Cuomo mocked the president for this Interestingly I found this out just before coming here Hydroxy chloroquine of force is. Fda approved medication with a long proven track record for safety and it turns out that Chris. Cuomo took a a less version of it called quinine which the FDA removed from the market in two thousand six because of its serious side effects including deaths a really interesting to have that criticism of the president on that note to Chris Cuomo. I'd like to redirect them to his brother. The governor of New York Governor Cuomo who has several on the record statements about hydroxy chloride cleanse saying. I'm an optimist. I'm hopeful about the drug and that's why we'll try it here in New York as soon as we get it. There has been anecdotal evidence that it's promising. That's why we're going ahead. If have about eight other quotes from Governor Cuomo. Should any of you have interest in that you dry? They're Mike that the wine age a couple letters there it can be quite loose and then it gets really interesting into that and now I mean those that they make those a long time ago but if he was taken quayle that could explain lots. It really could she. You know what she is. She's what I wish. Trump were more focused and more articulate. Would she has her battles when she goes on the attack. It's well researched and backed up and she focuses on one person or one thing and knocks on the park with Gets distracted and you know says dumb stuff like your horrible person or you're a terrible nasty person. Okay I'm glad for that so I wanna ask you this so I I was saying that same thing and I was having this debate with with my wife about. Why trump does that. I mean sometimes you you you. We wish you'd hold his tongue but don't you think that some of the reason that he does fire back in what makes it so appealing to because he fires up the base when he does that because he saying let support him would say if they were in that position. You think sometimes I think sometimes he does it for the theater. I honestly think that he doesn't roll up. Will One thing mute and I mean good example. This people on the right of wanted a fighter. We've had a bunch of pussycats. You Know Mitt Romney and George Bush. We haven't really had a fighter to to to battle. The Democrats have been much more vicious and personal and and hostile than the Republicans are just that they're afraid of the media they're afraid of the backlash trump doesn't care. Trump says. My people want me to fight. I'm GonNA fight I just. I just thought that's thinks he goes off the rails and I wanted to focus in and I WANNA keep fighting no question and he will and I will enjoy it but she just seems more more focused. That's all and I'm glad I hope she stays there for the rest of the next five years or five and a half years of this trump regime. Probably not 'cause you burn out quicken that job but so far so good. She's tough man. She is smart and she is. It's gone on as well prepared. And like when you're able to take the emotion out of it and and take out of your tone and be able to address people that way and throw their facts back in their face. It's it's actually more disarming than it is than it is by riling them up because we rile him up there are always looking to find the next one and they're always take that emotions and take it to another level but when you do it with that precision and with that just cold blooded Like you really disarm people that way and I think she just does a great job because she just she just presents the facts and let them come up with their response to it when you ask someone a question and give them the facts right back that that disputes. What they're saying. It's really tough to continue that fight so now you move to the next topic and it allows her and probably the the regime to get on their their topics that they wanted to talk about it and what they want to address by disarming of that much. I'm speaking of cold-blooded. I WanNa get to some sports of ports because we have mute here couple of sports topics and one. We have a real sporting events Sunday. I'm GonNa Watch might be the first sporting event of watched the haven't watched any soccer or NASCAR yet. I don't know about you. I'm not interested. I have less interest in soccer than I do in wrestling so I haven't been watching wrestling. Either I'm watching August another. Hey you watch the golf thing over the weekend and you you watch. Some of that did not washed but two minutes of it. I watched my lights. I wasn't really into it but I mean it was for their own bags but I'm GonNa Watch call this Sunday and I'll tell you why one reason above it's it's Mickelson and Brady versus Tiger and Manning. It's a great idea. It's supposed to raise a fortune for charity. I'm glad that they're doing it. It's GONNA be interesting. His the most interesting part of it all is. Is Tom. Brady going to embarrass himself. Because let's be honest. It's one thing to win super bowls and be the greatest clutch quarterback of the greatest player. Ever it's another thing to you know. Hit A four-foot Putt when the whole world is watching and there's a million dollars on the line. I think he'll be fine but I give him credit for this new. He's taking a chance. He is taking a chance because his reputation is that. He's a great clutch. Perform right. Maybe the greatest ever just a great guy under pressure you've played football and a high level and you've played a lot of golf to do things right. Play to win the Super Bowl and hidden a four or with Tiger Woods on the other team and staring you down I would say the PUTT is ten times harder than than any of that other than any plane. In in that event when you're in the moment and your plane within the flow of the game you don't get caught up in that but as you're sitting over a putt worth a million bucks or however much. It's worth the hand. Get a shakier in. It's definitely definitely gets you a lot more nervous at least for me now. I sit over these pots. I've missed my share of them but It's definitely a harder a harder thing to do than than playing in front of a stadium in the flow game. Where you just you. Don't you? Don't take in all those other emotions I know I know. Brady's a good golfer ten handicap. We've seen his swing. Got Math six six on radio. We've talked about golf many times with him. He loves golf. He played was a kid with his father and all that but he's still in the NFL. He's a little busy even though. There's a lockdown. We saw him practicing. We've seen him get out and throw the ball for the football around Paid Mannix probably plan golf every day. Probably practicing everyday we know. Tiger filler are tiger and Phil. There's only one guy up there that probably feels like he's just not prepared for this but he's doing it anyway again. I give him credit. He is taking a chance. And you know happens if he misses that four-footer to lose a million bucks everyone in America outside of a route. Four ninety five and Tampa Bay now every everyone in the rest of America cheers like they have not cheered since we had sports. Your whether you know that there's not a green jacket away to anyone after this. After this event it's for charity. Fifteen million people watching you've seen some of the ratings for these things for the NFL math the the mascot race to have like what a eight million people watching. I'M GONNA guess. The audience speaks at twelve fourteen million people. Almost all of them are rooting for Brady to miss that photo to lose the match. So if you New England are to say if he was still here he would made but now that he's in Tampa soft than he missed it. That's that's the one narrative I can't wait to see the I want. I WANNA know the side. Bet because if you know Phil Mickelson he's not just playing dirty match that's on TV. These guys are playing for some money. And and there there's some definite stakes going on in this as there. Was this past Sunday like that. Was a seminal golf course. By the way they were known to be playing they were playing a match on top of it for money. You heard Dustin Johnson Kinda referred to it a bunch of times so that is the interesting part when they start playing for their own money and you wonder how much is on the line going honestly. I'm not sure if I were Brady. I would do this. I would because I would feel like I'm not ready where everyone else is. Ready not feeling overmatched and not feel like I don't want to bash myself but he's Brady. He's got confidence I again. I give credit. This takes a level of balls. It really does to go out there and potentially embarrass yourself. Which is something. He never does in his support. Never I think could knows going into this. And especially after last weekend's bore fest that I watched I was looking forward to that. This is for entertainment. They're going to be miked up. It's more about the jokes in the ball. Busting than it will ever be about the pots. That's what's a what's going to happen is they're going to evolve from that to. Oh here it is. We're coming down the eighteenth hole now. They're getting serious. They'll make it seem like it matters at some point maybe not on the first of the front nine but at some point they're going to make it seem like it matters because you need that element of pressure. That's what that's what we're watching for. It's one thing to see these guys screwing around and having some last but don't you everyone tuning in hoping that the pressures on when the matches online it's forget about it within twenty four hours. It's going to be it's a. It's a joke little event. We all put pressure playing golf. Brady Anderson drop if Brady doesn't drop a line when Manning's lining up over a putt goes all think tiles running past the hold on. Throw a two on this more like you did three times in the AFC championship game. Like if he doesn't drop any of those. You're just missing Prime Guinness Head Material. Because there's so much he owns peyton manning a lot of those things you know. There's gotta be some good back and forth and Mickelson's not afraid to talk yet either. He's pretty good at it. I know we'll how about this. How about this one guy? Say It's the eighteenth hole and I don't know the Mickelson is counting on Brady. And He's got one hundred twenty yard on pitching wedge any chunks it and it goes like twelve yards that would be the whole country be laughing and loving it. Brady. You know hanging his head. That would be That one moment that everyone's been waiting for on the football field twenty years. That never seems to come. That one real gaffe. It could happen on Sunday. I don't think it will help. It doesn't help Brady does well. And it's brand new also ordered. It would endear Tom Brady to more American people than the already does because he's so perfect that everything else to see him a shot would actually get. He would actually be embraced by more Americans because he goes at least he can suck at something like the rest of us. Do you want a little funny side store on top of that? So the the course that they played at seminal in the past weekend. There's a funny Tiger Woods Story. I was playing there and on the Eighteenth Hole. Tiger had never played there in. He was asking the guy that he was playing with Where should I be aiming in the background? There's a gigantic crane and the the caddy's the caddy or the the guy that he was playing against headed towards? That big crane that you're paying for in your divorce settlement so that was kind of like that can go on out there and tagger apparently gave him a hell of a glance at didn't didn't hit the shot as he wanted to so he got it sufficiently in his head. This stuff you want to hear about. You want to hear that how it works do you know is it eighteen holes all of it on TV. I mean say Hours it's going to be a long events to the front nine is it best best ball is where you actually play your own your own ball the whole time right. So that's best ball and then the back nine is scramble where you pick the best shot of of the two zero. Yeah so that's the plan scramble the pushes off a Brady and manning but when the best ball and you know I assume tigers like US plus eight handicap. I mean plus eight handicapped shows Mickelson. Obviously so brady must be getting you know whatever like would that be up yet. Yeah he'll be getting in the front line that way. Him and Peyton will probably stroke each hole at least one male handicapped strokes on the first nine each if Brady manning many I once played with the with the long drive. The Pinnacle Long Drive team out at the international and there was like Six of Medina and I played with we had a group and we end. It was embarrassing because it would be like free shots to get to their drive. Their drives were four hundred fifty yards. You know the the they love the course because it was so long and we'd be like a whole. Can I just jump on hit again while? They're like driving to their ball. That's what radio good. They're gonNA be playing scramble. Their tee shots go. You know to forty where tigers are gonNA Mickelson's. They're going to go three twenty. Why would they ever play? I don't bowl that makes I don't care I'm grateful for my immunities better nine. Buying immunity is special immunity potion. Nobody backed Brady at all like every call just bashing brady for this. He did not create this product specifically for the pandemic. I don't know it's that time. And he should have saved. Sell something to boost your immunities in the middle of this trying time. It's he doesn't need that. Why why you do it it. It just seems wait forever if we're going to be in the middle of this already less eight weeks in if you got to wait till September when school starts it's going to be another six months. Why should he have to hold this product just because people were in middle of a pandemic Boost your immunity immunity than sell it. Who gets she's running a business? You got to make money so you know nobody would even notice. This is the this is the dump part right like he had some underlying. Do the exact same thing to sell the product on the TB. Twelve instagram page. Nobody notices. It's just the Tom. Brady's the guy says it and everyone wants to throw a hissy fit about. It's it's stupid. Every it nobody pays it should be in the middle of a pandemic donated. Save you know needed how much you actually selling and Do you really think it boosts your immunity. I think it's all nonsense but anyway you guys are out of luck. I'm out of well actually. No you're not. Elect Bob Kraft Super Bowl. Ring that that Raffle to that auction of for that. Charon all in Cherry which is raising a fortune. It ends tonight. So you still got time you the bidding for the ring one Freakin ring from one super bowl. Craig Scott Five others and I think you get to have dinner with craft. Wait wasn't now who what Putin stolen three down one right one ranked one point two five million. It's over one million dollars while I guess everybody's hurting during this pandemic and this this great depression tonight it ends. It'll end at probably at that number. A million bucks has paid for one ring which is mind boggling urgency by with that off that Shit on. I read an article. Yesterday was In digital and it was talking about how the Boston Globe is down thirty percent advertising. But it's okay because they're up thirty percent in digital subscriptions and I don't know if you've seen how much digital subscription costs right now across ninety nine cents think are six months but maybe a year and it's I'd rather spend my money on once one share of entercom stock. They both pretty much worthless but before we go. We gotta do this Dave. Because you've been busy on facebook live. I gave turtle a lot of credit for a story about This Baker Charlie Baker Stooge wants his company that makes bathroom fixtures that he did this photo op yesterday and everybody own that. Lots of people in the facebook live a comments. Section are killing turtle boy because he made a couple of mistakes. And you're you're Looking into this I want to give you the chance to take a shot at turtle border where we off here. The He loves to in his minions love the come out in the I got. I got no beef with several boy. I like fact that he goes he does research is. This goes after Fix Boring I don't really care I don't get into that. I don't I don't I don't like to talk ill-will if people I'm just not that way I'm just not that West Mistake Mistakes. We're all human. He's fighting the good fight. He's doing what he thinks is right. I. I don't choose the go about my business. The way he does. But I'm not gonNA tell him. Give him crap. I don't care what did you stand when they all lady told you. You Walk in the wrong way at Ace Hardware. Did you snap at her I just I just said I said es down foudy just because it's like there's no need to shake your head at me when I'm walking. I'm carrying grill. Brush and I was. I had her at a time. I was trying to get to so I'm sorry going to walk around with more around without them store just like so. She told you you walk in the wrong way. Like the little lines on the ground on the floor there lines that. I didn't follow because I would have had to literally circle all the way back around. The line was already eight people deep. I had this. I have this great Pink mask that I when I have to wear because some stores don't let you in I don't wear it otherwise if I don't if I'm not forced to I don't wear one So I wear this beautiful pink. It's a it's a nickname. Tuck it Vodka mask and. It's pretty sweet though. I'm wearing this big pink mask and I walking right through and there is lines and I and I walked the wrong way to get to the cash register and I happened to pass Casper in line. And she was where she was full decked out. She looked like she was ready to gloves. Sunglasses masks hat all of it and I didn't. I probably got within three feet. And she looked at me shook her head then as I stood my place to places in line behind her. She kept looking back at me in. Shake your head and just doing those like Heaven Forbid I walk the wrong way home. I can't believe I I walked out of there and I was. I was really disappointed in myself but after the second time I was just I had enough so I just go enough. Ouchi and the guy ahead of me in line. Did the shoulder shuffle. Because you kinda thought it was kind of funny but it was. I just don't don't do that. Just don't don't be you're not you're not the law you don't get the tell me what to do. Get over yourself go buy your home and your and your shovel and your potted planet co up. And I think we're look back at shame at this time. When we're asking public officials elected officials are asked people to wrap up their neighbors. This is debbie embarrassing point in time in this country and I hope people mean think this you got a mask on walk in the wrong direction. You're not threatening her and all putting her in Danja. There's no chance you're infected. Didn't means what are you trying to accomplish by that though like you're that person? What are you hoping to accomplish? Do you want me to come up to you and say I am so sorry. I walked the wrong way. Beg FOR MY I. Beg for Your forgiveness. What are you trying to accomplish by that when you go on social media and you wrap people out for kids Ryan Bikes or whatever? Like what are you hoping to accomplish your to Shane parents to get them to not do it? Newsflash people are GonNa do they WanNa do not because of what you choose to post or say about people so get over yourself. You're not pop. You don't get to enforce the laws you're just another person like the rest of us go live your life and stopped trying to tell other people how to live. There's listen this guy colonies a friend turtle boy but he'll go out the old lady in the hardware store on my own engage in that is there's nothing there's nothing to gain from engaging in that there's nothing. I'm not gonNA and what do I gain from that? Nothing I'M GONNA get on Turtaboi. Article is a hundred percent accurate. Because I had people reach out to me with the same story. I think a lot of the disgruntled employees there. And by the way. If you're going to reach out to me if you listen to the show and you want to give a tip linked in is not the way to go about it. Okay fine you on everybody all day every day. I miss that link. Glad they reached out to turn away. 'cause there's just to our pink. Whitney Whitney and that's the best way to get kids. That's a good way on twitter. I'll say it again. It's an excellent piece. If you want to see how much of a fraud Charlie Baker Karen peligro on the they are a return on boys post from yesterday about their photo up with their buddy. Where was that braintree? Weymouth ranger sure It's it's revealing and it's excellent and it's the kind of work you used to read newspapers and But not anymore. You gotTA turn the turtle boy for that but anyway I have. That's right that's right. That is very true. But don't forget the local company Maderna's the one that's made the biggest progress on a vaccine for Corona Virus. So they live in colonies backyard. I think you should send him on a fact finding mission to see what's going on there. Since right look Norwood anyways. He should really go out and see what's happening on the vaccine. Stage there to save the rest so we can all leave. Our is again world gap on an all head over there. That's that's my job for today. Why don't you be tested agent? One they can shoot you with it and see what and then you just walked the streets and see you get the corona virus mood. He hasn't left his basement in eight weeks. Jerry Jerry is taking all sorts of Shit on twitter about us not doing the show. I could see club. Nobody knows that is yeah. I was GONNA drive to the Legacy Club and Jerry. I'm surprising and say that Colonnades skin color matched is the color of his shirt. I don't know where his shirt starts in whereas body starts. Because he's so pasty white. He's got to get some sun on him for this weekend. You gotta get some Sun. God knows look beauty. Looks like in one of these guys place. Call every to play more golf and Peyton manning these days four little kids. I guess you don't really have a job anymore. So that's good. You get your handicapped down. That's the important thing in this game. Got Worse I am. Yeah it's tough Jerry. Seven and a half mile walk and I gotta carry the baggage you hydrated throughout the round. So that's a that's a lot of work I didn't. I hope those guys don't aiden a Tom. Don't have to cover carry their own bags like the the guys that last week cart. I drew tigers not going to carry all bag. That's choose back. I'M GONNA carry my own bags. So that's a that's a big workout to and the on everyday the ought to be able to get out there and get your exercise in. But that's that's the way to do it. Man thanks. We will talk to you again. next week Thanks to thanks to David. Marcus from the federalist if you didn't hear it he's got a page one story in the New York Post a good rant about ending the lockdown. 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Succession | Season 2 Premiere Recap: "The Summer Palace"

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Succession | Season 2 Premiere Recap: "The Summer Palace"

"The season two premiere of succession this summer palace is over but we are just getting started stuffing being raccoons in your chimney here on post show recap everybody. I am jazz regular. I'm here with them. We've box emily. What is that smell. That's disgusting the smell. Emily and i are having h vac issues right now in our apartment. Could it be that somebody stuffed a raccoon in the system. I don't think so toro's and raccoon instead of a charred raccoon yeah i although we do you want to tell the story about the mouse that got into your sweat shirt. That's i don't because that's wildly off track. Pat him out to my sweatshirt. One time it was dead and it smelled yeah. Let's talk about succession because nobody is here for that. Succession has returned fox it has i'm so excited about it. I'm so excited. There's so much to talk about. There's literally too much to talk about that. We will not be able to talk about every single thing that happened in this episode very dense show and that's one of the reasons why it's fantastic nick to catch you up in case you missed it succession. It's back. We are podcasting about it for the first time ever here on post show recaps this season. Emily and i already recorded a preview podcast about everything to expect from season to is basically a table center from everything from season one so if you had not seen succession before hopefully it set at the deck for you so that you could tune into succession season two but more hopefully it inspired you to go and binge-watch season one of succession so you are on board for season two if it did not inspire are you but now you're alerted to it. Now you kind of want to go back and do it plenty of time just one episode of succession season two so far. Go back and watch the first season. It's magnificent and i think emily you agree with me. After just one episode of season two they have they have not missed a beat. No definitely not. I think we're only a few days different from how season one ended season two starting. Yeah i mean it's literally forty eight hours of story. Time has passed between the end of season one and the start of season two even if it's been about a year or so since season one and it's that's a really really exciting exciting development. We'll talk about all of that just some business. Emily and i are recapping this every single week. We are usually going to be recording these podcasts on monday mornings. We've next. We'll have to record on tuesday morning so that podcasts will be coming a little bit later than expected but monday's late morning early afternoon typically where we are recording. We want your feedback doc. We want your questions or comments. We've got a little bit this week. Great stuff just not quite the volume that we're hoping for so please send it our way. We want to hear from you. Tweeted us at push. Recaps is our twitter account for push recaps. I'm at round howard. Emily is at mlive. We would love it if you would subscribe to post show recap so you do not miss an episode of the succession podcast subscribe on your podcast app of choice. Leave your ratings and reviews if you'd be so kind and there's so much to talk about i want to get into it. I wanna quickly gli stopdown and thank our sponsors for this episode before we move any further this episode of poacher recaps. It's brought to you by progressive saving money on your car. Insurance is easy with progressive. It's an average savings of six hundred ninety nine dollars. A year for customers who switch and save in fact customers can qualify for an average of six discounts on their auto policy when they switched to progressive discounts just for starting a quote on liner owning multiple vehicles also get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you could be saving discounts not available in all states and situations okay emily emily yes all my god succession. It's back the summer. Palace is the name of the cease fire in the setting for much of it except it's not the summer no but i mean i guess it's just like we're the where they hang or. Is that like the name. I mean there's the great summer hall of western rosen game of thrones. Could there be summer palaces. The equivalent wint here seems to be some hall was the target retreat emily fox when the target areas would go on vaca- you don't really care your game of thrones person. The people are anymore to be quite honest. Dodged a bullet in some ways leary is indeed to give the quick overview of just what this episode was about <music> out sort of the big points would be that really only very very little amount of time has passed since the season one. It's forty eight hours later. That's expressed to us really early on in the episode understandably then kendall roy is a zombie still he is still shell shocked from what happened at the end of season one when he was involved in the accident accident that left a man dead we come to find out in this episode that maybe that didn't have to die a very upsetting news on that front but kendall is sucked back in he's in rehab at the start of the season or at least in some sort of retreat his father told him to go dry out in the desert looks like he's trying to do that but it takes no time at all the more he sucked right back in because logan is battling the bear hug and he needs his number one boy to come in and help him out or mr potato head as he lovingly refers. There's a lot and if that's lovingly for logan roy tells you can happen forty eight hours so lock in happen in forty-eight hours change when you leave camp even for only an hour logan roy is going to decide if he's going to fight the bear hug that sandy and stu we are trying to enforce upon waste are roy said that very strangely aren't going to go back and change that we're going to keep moving that if he's going to do that and he needs to name a successor. That's like a big flashy sexy thing. That's gonna get the investors all feeling comfortable and like we're gonna be alright here and and much of the meat of this episode is focused on who is going to be we come to find out that it's going to be shift or at least the deal that was laid out behind closed doors. It's a top top secret deal for now. Ship is going to be the successor that is very exciting but this episode establishes the main conflict being will logan just give in or will he fight back. It appears that despite all advice from everybody was afraid he's gonna fight back and of course he's gonna fight back because otherwise we'll be right thoughts on the episodes overall before we dig into all of those specifics. I was so happy to have succession back. I was too. I mean i think we're seeing seeing logan firing on all cylinders again which is an interesting take given the fact that he was weakened significantly by his random illness at the beginning of season one so he seems was to have recovered for the most part and you know he's being a lot more like his old self from what we understand that to be shiv has a significant glow. Oh up her haircut. Is everything very excited about how she's looking at me that i didn't really notice in the first place. That shift didn't have hair that worth mentioning. I was just shift was a queen. I mean she looked great in season one but she's a lot more polished in sort of c._e._o. Ash in season two ready flat latte job yeah yeah. She's got the look. She got the power cut while she was on her honeymoon stage. You can censor disturbance in the forest and she knew that she needed to get this done and she was just itching going to get out of that honeymoon by the way it was very funny we leave. I don't wanna leave. Do you wanna leave no. I don't wanna leave okay but do you want to leave. Just the whole thing was really really funny back and forth. I loved a little snippet of a cousin greg just ensuring that he's still in the tiny bit greg in this episode. We'll get to him <hes> but overall just as kind of a plot engine the fact that we're actually talking about from logan's perspective. I'm going to need to name successor so like we're getting the name of the show back into the premise in this very overt way where even logan roy is acknowledging the inevitable that he will not be here forever. They're only so many city buses. He can destroy before you stay down and i loved the whole episode we watched watched it when it came on and we were both just so happy by the ending and we started getting into our phones and reading recaps articles and stuff and in the background the episode on h._b._o. Oh had an encore encore presentation that i think like unchecked. We just kept on for the next forty minutes before we decided to go to sleep. That's a mark of a great app. I finally started laughing. It was like okay. We don't really need to rewatch all of this but it was pretty delightful in the background. We what's i mean typically like i wanna try before we get onto a recap. I want if i if i can if time isn't like a huge factor. I'd love to watch an episode twice certainly with like game of thrones. I watch it like four times before i got on a post show recaps microphone at the very least but but here i figured we'd watch it at night. Then the next morning we would watch it again and before we got on the horn and instead like immediately. I started watching it again like i watched it a third time. In a row right it was from the jump immediately. It was so captivating and so compelling and and there's just i don't know the level of acting writing everything on this show is just mesmerizing the kendall stuff like there's obviously like like big business big picture that we need to talk about here on which is so much more complicated than my puny little brain to handle. I would not be anywhere in the vicinity of the line of succession for the roy family but it's really the kendall stuff at launch us us back into season two and such an immediate amazing reminder of a how bad of a situation kendall has been in how bad of a situation he's been in like outside of even just the hit and run like the drug stuff has really set him. I'm for a clear loop. Talk factor the hit and run into it factor the big business decision that he had tried to make the coup against his father that went horribly horribly wrong on this mesmerizing performance by jeremy strong when we when we meet him in the bathtub where he it seems like he has just finally allowed himself a minute of relaxation right and then you also have to factor in the fact that like he has you know destroyed a lot of his interpersonal relationships with his family members because of this huge move that that he tried to make so shiva roman are not happy with him connor sort of on the fence because he's like he's a busy trying to purchase napoleon's peanuts. Oh my gosh yeah yeah what a ridiculous dramatic gold in jar. It's dried but like lauren logan and marcy are sort of a soft place to fall ooh. I don't know marsha like gives him a little hug and kiss on the cheek which i thought was kind of interesting and mother and maternal towards usually well. I mean if this is logan's version of being a good loving father then man. That's some tough love that that kendall gets because he he he gave kendall handled big hug. He opened his arms. He gave him a bear hug at the end of season one. He sent him off to clean himself out your now at my mercy again because we know what you've done and you cannot go through with this deal with sandy stewart. You're not gonna buy me out. You're going to back off of that. Kendall does as he's told he goes to rehab. He thinks he's actually going to have some times like kind of like get out of the clear trauma of what has just happened to him. What he has just done to his his own life. He's blown his existence up and then he's thrust directly back into back right back in so he's an iceland is what you do you call it like immediately. You like you look take that's iceland. You've done some research. It's iceland in croatia where these scenes were shot. It's showing up as both but i think it's iceland understand. I mean you and i were there a couple of years ago and it was covered covered in snow. This looks like it was a little bit more of a temperate climate junish. Maybe i think so. Maybe it is the summer. No it's not because it's there's no foliage on the leaves. There's no foliage on the leaves. Okay so that's that's the tel never mind. I have no idea edges ages. I i'm trying to pay into so many things here that i'm bound to get some of this wrong there at a summer summer estate during the winter and summer palace summer palace in the wintertime. That's supposed to give us some sort of like. I dunno sad wintry weirdness. I mean i guess i should. They're wearing very very very heavy warm clothes while they're while they're at the summer palace yeah that should that should be a tell but the whole opening sequence is is really rooted in kendall's perspective jeremy strong. This is something that i didn't mention in our preview podcast. I don't think but i i know something that i wanted to talk about. I love the way that the camera captures him like. There's always like these shots of mike ryan escalator and he's like unmoving or when he's moving the cameras right behind him and it's framed in a way where like the way that he's shot. Maybe even the way that he's dressed. It's sort of the the despondent look on his face a blank look on his face. He often often in season. One really did look like this this child who is bracing himself to stand up against his father or bracing himself to emerge from beneath beneath the shadow of his father in this first episode in this first sequence where he's removed from the tub. He is going berry meekly to meet this man who tells him you're needed. He's being escorted. He's being driven to the to the local station where he's going to film a via satellite segment that he's very unprepared for. I saw dad's plan and dad's plan was better the company line that he's gonna repeat throughout the episode. There's just this this look of trauma on his base of like i'm in huge wjr trouble in the only one who can save me as daddy and it's just such a shift but it's also very consistent with. I feel like the way that the show has framed jeremy strongest kendall. It's just so it's so good and he really does look terrible. I mean he has huge dark circles. He looks kind of gone and sad. I think anyone would look at that in the scenario like yeah yeah. I think so yeah so i have a long way to go before i looked at that ah gaunt but i think that i would look like ghastly yeah yeah and everyone's noticing it to shift in rome both like what happened to you what's going on. Even tom is. He's like oh. He looks like a candle or something like what is it like a shaved candle. It's it's it's intense because we know what's happened with kendall. No one else does us. Nobody else does except for logan and marsha and colin the security guard. I guess marcia son kind of knows who's does martius son knows that wasn't he in the library very with her and then they both left in and logan was like i don't know i i don't i don't identify. Marshes son is enough of a carrot to remember that detail. I'd have to go back. I remember it fair. Apparently keep that in your back pocket every okay well that that character could still emerge i suppose but it's a very careful very tight circle of people who know about kendall certainly his his siblings don't their last impression of kendall is the confrontation they had with candle at shifts winning where it came out that he was going to be making the move that he was going to be making taking an everyone was pissed. It was huge mode with all the kids towards candle and rightfully so from their perspective. It's a betrayal. It's you know the defeat of everything they know not that everything they know is especially good or beneficial towards the greater humankind but in their little world and they're very big little world. Let's a breach of loyalty in the family and i think that is one of the greater sins that can be committed amongst they call it reason yeah and and like kendall in that moment back in season one in the finale was like trying to be like it's not treason to go against dad for like strong reasons like that's not what this is like. You're paul warped. Y'all brainwashed now. Kendall whose zombie who's just parroting ever logan needs him to say but the his siblings have no who sympathy for him they just see him still as the enemy who has had a son about phase that there must either be like some black male dad has on kendall or some back groome deal that kendall and logan have struck that narrative is probably reinforced by the fact that by the end of the episode logan has named kendall and roman co ceos of waste are royko so the fact that that has happened even the we know what kendall is going through and we see it and painful excruciating detail. It's a very very very tight. Net of people who do know so of course is siblings are going to be absolutely offer him. I wrote down some of what they said in their first confrontation with with with kendall yeah. Let's rehash all right. Foul language is about to ensue filthy. W is language is about take place over. You were in the presence of young children. Probably don't listen to the succession podcast listening to this allowed at work. Yes this is for work but on headphones or skip ahead thirty seconds to a minute here we go roman says about kendall. He's like a sex robot for dad to fuck shift. Says says these like an old beaten dog. Roman says he's both of those things and also a piece of shit shifts as no. He's pathetic. Little fucking narcissist is to repeatedly puts his own self interest above everything else and then tries to justify it with half asked appeals to the rigors of the fucking market and then roman punctuates the point by saying you're. You're a fucking prick. The truman that kendall is getting right now as he is being just like as his father says at one point we get up on the rack. We're gonna we're gonna stretch you out limb from limb william wallace style and like that's the same treatment that he's getting from his siblings who on their best day a are are pretty awful so so here for kendall's worst day <hes> there or one of his worst days. He's in his worst days <hes> their their normal normal levels of interaction are just especially more painful. I'm sure yeah i mean it's an questioning why he's not fighting back either because i think that everyone has has a pretty good report with one another when it comes to feeling challenged or threatened yeah they're very fast to take jabs at one another and the fact that kendall's handles not saying anything sort of suspicious radio. I don't think that they could guess what had happened not but there are also like that's kind of unlike him usually he's witty enough to come back at us or sort of measured in a way that he doesn't seem to be at this moment in time. I think that they could they could pull it together eventually eventually but they're you know one of the things that we're doing with on succession. Is you know it's the viper's nest as as they talk about but like really like every single. One of them is a viper narcissists. They're all self concerned with their own ascension to power that you wonder who is actually going to pay enough attention to kendall to figure out or to want to figure out what's actually going on with him and if they figure it out what level of sympathy are they going to have for this guy like roman. I'm an kendall's story lines. You imagine are going to be fairly closely linked in the near term as they're both co-ceo is so as roman going to be preoccupied with understanding why his brother is is you know in this very dark way or is he just going to be so mad at his brother's still that he's not even gonna care. I think if history past prologue like i i feel like that dictates to us. That road probably isn't going to give them much crap. I mean everyone's also wrapped up in their own. Dramas right like rome in at a press conference to discuss the satellite. I like that exploded right and but i'm not rocket science which is such a brutally awful incredible. Lie throws out there yeah but yeah they're trying to investigate. They're taking questions from the press. There's a lot of discussion on how serious this investigations going to be. They want to figure out the time line like why this was pushed washed up so quickly in romans kind of sitting there cowering and you know trying to give his best two cents in on something that was basically his fault. Well rooms trying to be more of a serious person. How's he doing is with comes in and goes. That's fascinating though because there was a great line about that the first season i think it's the second episode of the first season where we're kendall's trying to like articulate why he's the right person to succeed in roman and shivers still like pushing for themselves. Elves and kendall says around like you're good guy but you're not a serious person. I think roman is really trying to be serious person. He sees right now. Given the severity of everything that if he is ever going to be named the successor like the time is now for him to go from a little prince linked to like actual lord of this kingdom to the to the top of the mountain to really do well in the dentist appointment with zeus says they talk about logan at one point but logan doesn't seem to really be you picking up what he's putting down in terms of advice right. No i think that the game that kendall that kendall that roman is describing to logan when he's brought behind closed doors like he he wants to sell off everything and basically play the stock market which is not like the spirit of logan roy well logan roy is like you no like a shoot everything that moves kind of guy like way star royko has its hands in so much shift talks about this in her meeting with logan about how how were an indie film we're in video games were in theme parks way too much and that sort of logan's thing. He wants it all he wants. The world roman wants money for logan. I think if it was just about money and if it was just about the well being of his family he would have sold and i think that that was the direction that he was. Maybe leaning for a minute in this episode as we talked about in the preview show and as it came from sarah snook who plays shift <hes> that the favorite child of logan roy. Is this company that away so easily. Give it up without a fight. Even if it's the wrong thing to do. That's the child he's gonna fight for the most and what romans pitching not something that interested ten billion dollar payout sounds good though yeah let me get a slice of a pizza pie that onto the table with all the other pizzas i mean but also it's the kind of thing what would he even occupy his time with if he didn't have this company the need around any longer right yeah no. I think that you you hear that a lot like from people who are in very powerful positions that are like all consuming jobs odds that become identity you know that are close to the age of retirement and they don't really need to be working anymore. It's not like i'm speaking from the experience ends of my father who i loved dearly but is you know he's been at his at his same. Job probably doesn't need to be there anymore but he is. He's very into his work. Can he has said to me that like he's. He's very concerned about what happened to his brain if he decides to stop working. I imagine that it's a similar deal with somebody like logan. Roy who entire existence is baked into the idea that he built this thing from the ground up. This is a monument to his his achievements in life and he doesn't want to see it fade away a he doesn't wanna see crumble but he is like that parent. Who is you know nearing the age of not being able to be trusted to completely live on their own isolation and the need to start back during their children into their own retirement plans into their own plans of like well. How am we're going to begin the process of leaving this planet and are just like refusing to have that conversation are refusing to actively make preparations and for what the future looks like without them and it may be he's actually starting to do that with schiff who he he locks in as the person that he's going to name his successor. They have a really on the face of it tender moment talking about that yeah. But how real is it versus. This is just like a stopgap for now. He's still not really thinking about the future of his children. If he was thinking about the future of his children he would have sold the company and gone for the ten billion dollar payout yeah. That's the i mean the advice from everybody like so yeah. I also feel bad for shift that she has to keep reiterating. This is for real right like we're not joking here. This is real and that almost makes me even more nervous that he's going to turn on her. We're he'll be like oh yeah. Wind it up for you and then you know some other thing comes up that makes it more appealing for him personally personally and he's going to you know sort of pulled out away from chef yeah well. It's funny because shiv shiv being the successor. It makes so much percents for a lot of reasons she is. She is one of the she's one of the smartest characters on the show. She's arguably the smartest of the siblings. It's between her and kendall and i you think kendall has proven that so many things are allowed to get in his own way or he has blind spots. He dudes the wrong. People you know and he doesn't interact with people the right way and the substance abuse doesn't help either shiva's clearly the front runner to win survivor of the four roy siblings. It's not enough how we haven't even really talked what about conner at all talking about really the only thing the dog about with shiva shiva is the is the one who i would bet on the win every single time time because she is. She's smart. She's personable. She understands people's like turnkey situations and because of of that i'm inclined to think that if logan is planning some kind of double cross if he's like using shift as a means to an end right now then shift would see the at coming but i think something that i didn't see coming was how emotional ship was going to be when logan start saying like this is for real if you want this it's yours and then like you you see that like crack and the facade like she allows herself a moment of being really touched by it of all. This is something i always wanted but never thought was possible for me. You know i think she operates with you know a pretty significant chip on her shoulder and is very transactional and how she handles business life and her personal life so the fact that she can be let in and sort of feel. This moment for a second is really touching but also just makes me so nervous for her. Even though i feel like i'm not supposed to feel that bad because says she cheats on her husband but he's also a dope so i don't really know how to feel. All of them are terrible and to some degree because greg. Who's an angel ed for i live. I think it's that that moment that we're allowed to see like sort of like daybreak in her very strong emotionally. Oh you know clear facade that were allowed to have like an actual tender moment between her and her father and you hear that a lot that like she and logan is she's logan's favorite kid and everyone's like oh your daddy's girl and season one really tested that because she went to work for gillies who is a huge political rival for for logan in a political obstacle and she smoothed that over she really proved her value in that was during her wedding right so now this happens during her honeymoon bright exactly she she doesn't seem to really care but i think it's interesting because i think that the road is paved for shift to have a blind spot here. If there is something amiss if logan does have this additional secret plan like if he's just like a misogynistic asshole who needs to spruce kendall backup backup so that kendall can be the successor because he wanted to be like a male heir. If he's that kind of guy. There's no reason to think that that's not the case slogans a pretty bad dude that could absolutely be it but in reality if he does need to start setting you know if he is actually considering what is the future of this company beyond me if he cares about that and i'm not convinced that he does but if he cares about that then shift really is a great choice and so he really shouldn't be double dealing behind her back in. This really should be on the level all the way. He says to her wake. This is the moment right. Remember this moment so. I should remember that moment. Something smells amiss in this house. Yes the talk about that yeah so everyone shows up it smells bad smells and they finally sort of tracked tracked down the stench and it's coming from a chimney which would have been one of the first places. I looked if i were the person running the household. There's so much staff right. There's so many people running around preparing airing things looked like it was all closed up for the winter and then they're pulling off all of the different cloths that are protecting the furniture. They're setting up really really elaborate meals for everyone to show up but this smell is just emanating and no smell no one can figure it out right and then they pull it down from the chimney and it's a bunch of raccoons that were trapped up there thirty to fifty feral raccoons no not that many yeah. Are you reading off the internet last week. That's okay sorry with multiple raccoons. Yeah probably a little family. I saw one face yes. I didn't realize it was a cluster a murder of raccoons. I don't know if that's correct or a chimney of raccoons. You identify it. Let me tell you that is not the first place where that's what's happened before. There are a lot of issues with records. Jimmy's that's why you gotta chimney cover. I mean i'm surprised the roy's didn't have this was this is one of those great examples of succession where it's both very funny and very depressing at the same time food waste emily as a as a food studies master. Yes this must've really bothered you to see roy's throughout all of those steaks and lobsters that really had probably know spoiler rotterdam were perfectly fine totally edible and straighten to the garbage they go because logan has a fit when he identifies rotting meat in his household. He just wants pizza. He wants to carbo load instead. I it's a kind of a strange choice. I i sort of tried to glaze over this by pretending that a lot of the staff also eight some before they threw everything out even even throwing it into the trash which is pretty upsetting. I mean maybe those empty trash bags and they just plan on like like santa claus like getting like the trash bag out of the japan and just like throwing it over their shoulders and bringing that stuff cousin greg been there he might have taken a dog bag and put some food in that. They don't on three poop garbage bags either so perhaps perhaps he would be he would they do. Sometimes priests sent the garbage bag. One time people tried to marinade chicken thighs in a lavender scented garbage bag at it an occasion that i was at and that was a terrible choice very bad choice. I wasn't there. I would poison auto chicken and the people who did said something is wrong. I got cleaning scientist strong as long as they weren't like scented garbage bags. They were just like straight the plastic bags yeah. Maybe could have brought all that stuff but anyway we're seeing like really gross example of their wealth. We're seeing really awful examples of their wealth and also how they treat people all right because logan immediately decides to blame the contractor who's arguably done about three hundred thousand dollars of renovations on the house and he says you know you did this to semi on purpose. This is like a legacy thing that you're trying to like. Throw a bag of raccoons into my chimney and like i'll pay you one hundred thousand dollars for your work and that's it and the guy is it's like it's a it was a three hundred thousand dollars job yeah so money yeah so we're seeing the logan sort of display really abysmal abysmal behavior around people that work for them and i feel bad for jerry to do we should we talk about jerry. We'll get to jerry but i think to stay on this point point like one hundred thousand dollars. Logan roy is time yeah. You know it's like giving somebody some change and to just give this guy what he wants. It's three hundred thousand dollars for the job that he is owed this money this contractor who he is blaming for being spiteful and stuffing the chimney with with raccoons. I didn't get the sense that that that was actually what happened. I got the sense that this was more of logan. Roy's classic paranoia has been dictated. It just shows shows the lengths of the thickness of logan roy and as we know that we're prepping for a really ugly battle between him and sandy because he's he's gonna fight the bear hug you know this was this was a great like smaller way of representing. Just the you know. I won't let you beat me. I will i will bleed. You bleed you dry. Oh let you die. I have that small example here of what's to come clearly in the future of the show was good but it was also great as a reminder of just like the reckless evil that is inflicted upon the world by folks like these by people like by the logan roy's of the world by the royal families of the world <hes> <hes> so i loved that i it may be a horribly sad. It was also rendered in a very comical way at times. It was pretty funny but it was really leaning hard on that tragic agit comedy yeah fox yeah that drama the drama okay yeah so what's so we we have. We have this this line of succession. There's the there's the big lunch meeting with all the pizzas at the table which no one seems to be eating either in low and logan's trying to get that everybody to talk about it and shit. I think is the one who says dad you kind of have this thing where like when you try to foster debate sort of freeze the conversation just by by the sheer fact of your presence which leads us all these closed door meetings and it seems like roman really sit in his meeting shift as really well and hers she gets the nod for purpose for the line of succession and then we don't see any other meetings right there no other meetings that we see at least we get from we get from from after we get from the meeting that that even though that deal seems like it's you know it's not locked in yet between logan and schiff that either way way shift doesn't want that to be public yet. They need to do this very delicately. They need to do it behind closed doors to the point that when logan comes back out and he's catching everybody up and says i'm going to fight the thing he says. It doesn't really matter who i name a successor right now could be jerry for all we care because it's just a name and jerry's like oh well well. Thank you very much because in fact it will be jerry. There's a call that's great and then it won't actually be you jerry. Were just saying you right now. As a thing like oh all right back i see that jerry actually is going to be a season regular. Now is a series i learn. I hope i hope that case. That's good to hear that's fantastic. <hes> <hes> yeah it's another one of those sort of power moves where he can say something and then immediately pulled out from underneath you right so that's upsetting. Schiff doesn't even tell tom like that's how top secret this is gonna also. Tom is like totally up her about like figuring out his next move for a yeah of of course but like at the same point they're they're married and like you would think that like this is the kind of thing that maybe like you. Inform your spouse and if i was in line to be the king of a major media conglomerate that was sworn not to tell anybody about. I'd still tell you thank you you know you you too. You'd like to think thank you would you would you would well. I can't see it being something where i'd be threatened that you would make some sort of power play and i think maybe that's where ships ships operating from because they've always had to fight like that even with her siblings so even to bring this kind of information into her relationship. Probably we feels dangerous for her. She's never had a safe relationship with probably anyone shows are probably doesn't actually love tom. Yeah i mean there. Is that the surprising just notable because that's drama. That's bubbling beneath the surface then yeah yeah. She'll probably figure out how to make him more expendable. I <hes> well she made she. She got him a new job. He's going to be the chair of global broadcast news. He's going to be in charge of a._t. And we've seen a little bit of on the show already a and this is like a stepping stone for him to get higher and higher in the company. She says you gotta eat. The peach baby and tom seems really happy about this so for so now he's content and i'm hopeful that tom will drag cousin greg into into global broadcast news as well know tom. I'm greg in this episode of succession. One can hope for future interaction can hope for future contracts only a brief amount of cousin greg in in this episode. Do you know what that's okay because i think we needed to hit. The ground running kind of seeing the strategic moves is a lot of these people and then we can pepper it with greg. He's like the seasoning he is. He's the cajun agents spicy chicken from california pizza kitchen right or if you wanna call him a different seasoning he's he's the park coke spoke of the of the roy family because kendall's normal drug connect is not accessible jessica his assistant jessica is is not available so he has to. He has to lean on cousin greg to score. Some coke and greg has like a really great source might connect. He's he's got the good stuff and it's just cocaine that he bought in a dime bag from some guy in the park and ken who is the wealthiest of wealthy princes. I have to park. This is what i have to do and he says how mighty how the mighty have fallen indeed that this is what he's reduced to and he he and his brand new apartment by the way which he sold his old place because it reminded him too much of his wife and his family. I feel like that quickly for forty eight hours. Yeah yeah i think so too i mean who knows if that had been something that was already in the works and it was just like not important enough to to show it us but yeah kendall's kennels forced to do coke the coke he's ever done greg offers to return the coke and get his money back. That sounds like you go do that. You'll find that guy and bring present your receipt yeah so that's it for cousin greg and i think you're right. I think that there was a lot of business to attend to hear. All these characters now are so well established and they're also great eight and funny in their own right and terrible in their own right that they're all gonna be magnetic that as much as i love cousin greg i think we can save him for deeper in the season. Hopefully not too long before we can and it's definitely time in place. What did you think of kendall finding out about the details of the accident and how the cleanup effort is going and we get a name for the for the deceased andrew dodd who a the official records. Emily will say that it was death by misadventure yeah. Oh that's a thing. Is that a thing. Maybe i mean it's it's england so probably eight. Isn't it sounds so much more charming. That's usually what happens. If any british no now i thought i would imagine for for doctor who guest is a thing death by misadventure in the united kingdom of death by misadventure as recorded by corners corners in on death certificates and associate documents is one that is primarily attributed to an accident that occurred due to a risk that was taken voluntarily death by misadventure death. Spy misadventure is what it's officially going to be but we know unofficially the actual story and kendall is getting the download from from colin alan head of security or at least the man who is manslaughter by misadventure we find out that he was alive long enough to unbuckle himself itself in the car which is good news for kendall because it could implicate that he was driving rather than kendall driving right but it's like horrible news yeah on impact right. He probably struggled for a bit to try to get out. Kendall was able to get out and we did see kendall fight to go back down and see if he could get him but the ones. I'm not here to give him much of a pass. Oh no for sure you know i it's probably pretty brutal to hear the details and to know exactly what happened and then to just shake it off and walk on with your day. Which is what kendall's been trying to do so i mean the debrief on all of that is what it is it. It probably leaves everybody sitting with a bit of a pit in their stomach. I certainly felt a little icky about it. How about you felt very cute. Yeah just feel bad. I feel terrible about it <hes> <hes> but it sounds like they've got it under control now but i mean like the the level of intensity about kendall right now now and like the clear like survivor's guilt that he is probably going through and the <hes> just the way that he his entire existence right now is being manhandled by his father that for kendall maybe the way to reclaim some power eventually is to take ownership over what happened interesting right and i wonder just because like so the first the first time we ever met kendall he was on his way towards becoming the man in the last time we saw kendall kendall at the end of season one was him at the mercy of the man he was trying to step out from right that was the ark for kendall is a real fall from grace for him for logan and who starts the series on top of the mountain but looks like he is going to fall off a mountain both because he's like he's peeing where he shouldn't be peeing in the various sorry different times and places in his first appearance of the series but also with the stroke by the end of the first episode his health scares throughout the the first season of the fact that he ends delivering his own bear hug of sorts was a quite the arc on his own so entering season into logan is looking as strong as ever. He's got like the baby blue sweater he's talking in full blown chief o'hagan voice like the you know come on potato had lots of great stuff like that and he seems as strong as ever even though his political enemies his business rivals know oh some things about him that he would rather not know because kendall gave up the goods on like the prescriptions. He's taking a lot of like the medical stuff that's going on with him but he's prepared for the fight and kendall is just like zombies a ghost. I expect there to be some sort of reversal of that across. He's going to build the what what that looks like is the question of course i think that there will be some sense of kendall stepping out and doing something for himself in a obscure way than we've gotten in the past and i think that the purist version of that would be for him to take responsibility over what happened to you. His name was andrew dodd. Yeah i do think though that the last <hes> shot of the episode where he sent in to kind of see stuey and sandy right and logan supposed to be going in with them and they go oh no hold on just let them know. I'm taking a phone call yeah. He's left to his own devices. This is basically to face the two men that he almost betrayed his father. With how do you feel about that because that almost feels like another low for him we'll another power move by a a by logan logan logan now believes that he has kendall completely in his pocket has to show him the barest amounts of affection in their first interactions we said like the the real punchline of the opening pre credits act which was such a sprawling act but after kendall with because his recently bloodied nose goes on tv and like a really stumbles his way through the through the beginning of it but even like in his shell-shocked way at least toes the company line over the course of the appearance like if my father were to be hit by a bus we would need the buses to be replenished by one because you'd be down a bus and you get the perspective of logan with the rest of the people back in new york watching the broadcast and logan says ladies and gentlemen mm-hmm and i fucking thing my son has ever done right in that is his that is his attitude towards his son right now towards number one boy and when they meet face to face after this very turbulent forty eight hour reprieve and that was it that kendall is afforded because he's needed back in the fight logan brings him in and just like doesn't show him any affection for what has happened at all. There's no artifice of that. It's not until they get to the summer palace where like they even remotely try to have like a a father son conversation about it and even them it's really really awkward and it's marcy who who steps up so i think that logan is taking extreme advantage of kendall because he he feels like he can like. He doesn't have any reason to think that he doesn't have kendall completely in his pocket. I think that you got to imagine that the is it a little repetitive to go back to that well of like kendall betraying his father again maybe but i think it all depends on presentation and it depends on you know like if kendall is doing doing that as a power grab or if kendall is doing it for kendall that would be different to me so i think it's something to keep in mind. That kennel sandy scene was great. Yeah i wrote down that final line of work. Were like what is what is dad what does it. My father wants to know what you guys. Actually are. This students like well as you know we're. I'm kind of hoping for the whole thing and then kennel goes yes so he wanted me to tell you to say yeah. Obviously public line will be that. We're considering the offer but it doesn't doesn't matter what you offer. You'll never recommend this to the board. You're going to bleed cash. He's gonna plead cash. It will never end and maybe he'll kill him but if you don't he aims to kill you he will go bankrupt or he'll go to jail before he went to beat him. He will kill you in the business and if that doesn't work we'll send people around he will send meant killer pads and fuck your wives and it will never be over so that's the message i love this so that's the message and sandy caused that the episode of the great line good well. Let's move ahead with that process. Shall we yeah so this shows you so so sharply written dialogue the barbs i mean like this is not a show where people are killing each other with swords and dragons all words just words and deeds and the money and the way that it plays out. It's just spectacular you think he sat down and had like a steak afterwards or he was already sitting sandy. Oh sandy you have probably seen it. Can you would every once. Kimball doesn't look like he's eating much right now. Not even the pizza snorting things just anything's how about some feedback and we'll start out with some feedback as we said. We want more feedback from you guys. We've got good feedback this week. Great feedback even we would like to open it up to even more feedback in the weeks. Moving forwards of police ended our way at push recaps. I'm at ron howard. Family is at emily this these these burst few questions come from the great fantastic fifty brendan brennan launches us into this with what's the best asked vehicle for picking someone up from the private jet at the airport. We see that kendall is going to be picked up by motorcycle yeah. He's like the bike here would you. Would you like to be picked up by by by motorcycle at some point. I realized we back like he doesn't the show. I would not want to be taking a motorcycle. Thank you very much b._q. Easily dangerous the brooklyn queens expressway cycle yeah no thank you that was a cool shot to see we drive pass that every once in a while that view of manhattan from is you didn't take a helicopter back to manhattan well. I think that that is the best vehicle. Brendan is the helicopter but where they have a helipad that you can land in the city for his number. One boy looks like he's not number one if he had to take a motorcycle just saying he looks like number two at the very least brendan ads. What's the most expensive pizza in new york. And what does it taste like. What is the pizza. The roy family was eating. I wonder if they're out on long island. I was trying to think of what long island pizzas it says. Maybe were in the mix there but there's really nothing like massively fancy enough like maybe like the umberto grandma's pizzas an iconic long island pizza pizza shadow too little vincent's in huntington with the cold cheese but i don't think that roy are going to be going. I don't think they're low brow enough like low brow. What is it lowbrow tasteful. What does the what does the matrix who low brow brilliant row brewing has low brow brilliant and that would be little vincent's with called she's. I don't think that they're going for that the most expensive pensive pizza in new york. Do you know what it is now josh d._o. The goal feeling you do gold leaf pizza an industry kitchen two thousand dollars. Oh how imagine you look up pictures to see if it was the same thing. I'd seen it on some t._v. Shows before unsurprising. It's like an instagram thing for like a influencers and stuff but i don't know who the hell in their right mind is actually showing two thousand dollars for gold leaf pizza. That probably tastes like trash. Get how forget you industry kitchen screw. You goodbye all right. If you were logan roy. What pizza would you have brought to the table from well from new york via helicopter and you could keep it warm the hallway right now. I'm really into scars pizza matt if you're listening that's where we got pizza not terribly long ago. There's a lot of great pizzas that i would get from. I don't know what the roy's were eating surprised to see them eating pizza at all very hard. It was laid out on the table. They're also like only like four pies on the table. That's pretty sparse amount of food for these people. It was last minute. I guess <hes> <hes> brennan also says somebody is totally going to go off the boardwalk and the hamptons before the end of the season right i would say no. I'd say no. I i would not be surprised. We'd never go back to the summer palace. I think the summer palace and i think the way the succession tends to move from spot to spot to spot spot to spot like there's a few central locations and there's there's the offices in new york as a central location logan's townhouse apartment and then other people's apartments to it. It is interesting though just to give you the scope and idea of how much real estate everybody owns yeah. I think that that was what we were trying to accomplish. You're going to go from like the big castle wedding reading and even though like a year real time has passed from season one to season two only forty-eight hours have passed in the context of the show and if you're discovering succession at some point in the future or even now via binge then like your immediate experience with succession is to have spent two episodes in this sprawling castle in in the u._k. And then going to this sprawling castle essentially on long island new york <hes> it really does just drive home the enormous sense of wealth totally <hes> and tonio. I love antonio who has been texting with me about succession has lots of great observations one in particular that will pull up should it become relevant and okay and anthony i would love to have on the podcast at some point in the not too distant future whenever you want an anthony and you just let me know antonio road and instead considering the double secret plan with and four shift. Should we be on logan death. Watch even more now. It seems like the kind of thing that should be in writing asap before he goes the way of the chimney raccoon coon on how concerned are you for logan roy and his longevity here on succession. Do you think we could lose brian cox from the series this season this season probably probably not i wonder if it would be next season hard to imagine this show without him then again like the failing health of the character. I don't know it kind of feels like an empire move you. You know what i mean like the t._v. Series towered yeah you a big fan of that. I mean i watched like the first like five or six episodes but they were like he has has a terminal illness. What's he gonna do returns our to still on the show right yeah and like so i feel like maybe the health scare that happened in season. One could bubble back back up again but i feel like that's almost too easy. Yeah well. Antonio follows it up by saying the handed it can it can be jerry as the successor since it doesn't doesn't matter is going to end up mattering at some point so if there is another health crisis with logan and they've just put jerry's name on their paper than jerry does end up as that's the empire which would be incredibly kinda. Let another man die right. Dave baker chimes in thoughts on the new opening credit. Read it yeah israel's. There's a slightly different sequence same theme song. Thankfully i would be very upset to lose that or even to massively modify it yeah looking at you. Big little lies <hes> but the opening credits is mostly the same except there's a renewed focus on shiva's child. Yes seems to indicate that this is the season of shift which i am here therefore to god her heroic soga and save our shift. Yes oh i'm down with that. If that's the that's the case saint dave baker also asked says what's the best roman roy line of the episode. The rocket scientists rocket scientists when is easy. I'm gonna misquoted. I don't have the exact quote but he says something about how in the newscast kendall looks like a guy who's walking through the slums holding his penis in his hands and wondering if he can trade it for soup he says something like that. It's so vivid but it's just it's a great. It's a great articulation of everything about roman roy in the way of the world. Dave meagher also asks by the time succession ends. Cousin greg is going to be in charge of the family business right. Oh god i hope not par coke for everybody coca-cola. Everybody vegas pretty sodas. The embarked are loaded with three. He bought up all of the california pizza kitchen. That'd be great. Waste are just goes all the way in on piquet heavy heavy investment gwen s. w. to close us out said where's holly hunter despite being holly hunter free. This is great stuff. I'm sure she'll show up soon and i would imagine she will show up soon not in the premiere the premier's religious setting the table for where we are going with pizzas on the table for the remainder of season season two. That's it for feedback. I don't think we can wrap up here without at least acknowledging the fact emily. What did you think of the scene between between logan roy in the his banker new character financial advisor. Did you like that. I mean it just shows how logan is willing to wine and dine anyone for more information <hes> to pay people off et cetera. He's kind of like what does it take for you to be giving me more intel and to be stopping sandy from doing what he's doing right yeah and emily. I know that you're already the huge massive fan of the live action x men film franchise so this quickly. This clearly didn't over your head but for anybody who's headed did go over our brian. Cox is the bad guy in x. Two x. men united playing william stryker. The man who is responsible sibal for the wolverines asian of get get ready for it logan played by hugh jackman so already connects roy in x men origins wolverine the declarative worst x. men movie ever and in the conversation for worst superhero film of all time. Dan dan houston who plays the banker is a terrific actor. In so many things was the bad guy in wonder woman at least for most of it who plays the bank adviser here are played a younger version of william stryker who is the man responsible for the wolverine ization of logan so danny huston as young william liam striker sitting across the table from brian cox who played old william stryker a meeting of the same exact x-men minds. What do you think about that. Emily isn't that great right so it's like if you got michael keaton in christian bale and ben affleck together in a scene together. It's not unlike that yeah exactly like the two ron silvers from time. I'm co what happens if they touch they meld together and it's very bad help dany houston's speech to logan just so great that i just want to repeat it here. I wrote it down <hes> when logan's like just tell me tell me your honest take on whether i should sell or fight this and the banker says you don't wanna sell if you don't want to sell you don't wanna sell where's my margin arjun to tell you something you don't wanna hear and logan tells him that this considerate a long-term investment in my trust in you and so he gives them the true true and this is the truth in in all honesty on the business fundamentals. You should make a deal and sell if you don't. It's going to be a vicious fight that extends for months years. Perhaps you win perhaps but until then the thing will get done. It'll soak up all of your resources all of your attention beating them away with every regulatory financial and political weapon that you have at your disposal. There's blood in the water and your prices prices edging down. Tech coming tech is here tech has its hands around your throat. There's maybe one to legacy media operations that will make themselves big enough to survive arrive the price sandy's offerings inflated by bitterness ego and spite you choose not to sell what's gonna be different to her for years. Are things going to change our people. We'll get our more. People are going to read your newspapers watch tv culturally structurally and financially. You're in the toilet in five years. You'll be in the mega toilet. Oh the wise thing in to do is to sell generally. You do the wise thing obviously not this time this time you'll call me something disgusting and throw the cantor at the wall talk to his credit does not throw the two kanter at the wall nor does he say anything disgusting about danny houston's character i imagine why would he would be saying something disgusting about about a younger version of himself the mega toilet i don't wanna see the mega toya now but i think he has a point there because tech is coming tech is here tech is gotta tans around your throat really does speak to the fact that logan is a dinosaur and a lot of these things and you know when we talk with. We saw kendall last season then being really concerned about him. You know willy nilly buying up all of these local news stations kendall's like no. This company needs to reinvent itself. It needs to be more forward-focussed focused thinking about the future thinking about tech so the banker is not wrong and saying a lot of this stuff but of course he understands the ego behind all of it and yeah logan's gonna hold strong all right well we will hold strong with another episode of our succession recap podcast here on post show recaps po show roy caps as it has has been dubbed by the by the folks that be on twitter shadow to fifty brendan <hes> next week's episode vaulter which is the name of the website. That's run by rob. Yang's character character lawrence ye who really popped in the very early going of succession season one but hasn't really made much of an impact since then fact that we're getting an episode episode named after vaulter i would love to see some more of that character <hes> becoming important here in season two definitely. Let's hope so. We're going to be recording. According that podcast late morning early afternoon of august twentieth. That's gonna be the tuesday after succession air. So you have plenty of time to get in your questions. Send them send us. Your feedback at post show recaps as our twitter account. I am at round howard. Emily is at emmett. Please subscribe on your podcast app of choice waist. Give us your ratings. Your views all that would be greatly appreciated elsewhere on post show recaps. I would say watch this space. The morning of eight fifteen fifteen august fifteenth the new podcast series is launching about an old series co hosted by mike bloom and myself. We are very excited about that. That one's a keep an ear out for it on the morning of eight fifteen emily fox. What else is up not much yeah busy week. You've got a lot going on all right well. We'll wrap this up so that you may go to work. Thank you all for listening and we will be back with another episode of succession very soon. Take everybody by in one last thing before we close out today's recap of the succession season two premiere. 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Mick Foley - STEVE AUSTIN SHOW CLASSIC

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Worked as an pass off to become one of the most famous wrestlers of all time, we're gonna take care of business tonight. And that's the bottom line. And now he's dominating the world of on demand audio and he's doing it for the work in man. This is a damn good outlook for miniscule the bullshit up. My brain. This is Steve Austin on me. All right. All right. Steve Austin show. I'm currently I don't vacation recharge batteries. But just because I'm recharged batteries. We still got business to take care of. In the meantime, we'll be playing some of the most requested Steve Austin show classics and been locked away in the archives. I got a great one for you this week. And here's my producer shown to tell you all about it. All right. Thank you. Steven welcome to the classic episode of the Steve Austin show producer, Sean here. Hope he has all doing well, not doing so great myself. I just ate a half a bag of Doritos. This could be for me. Anyways. Today's show is episode number one forty two with guest. Mick Foley, mama, Foley's, baby. Boy, Mick Foley mankind. Dude. Love cactus, Jack, whatever you wanna call him. He is the guests on today's show original air date, August fourteenth, two thousand fourteen Stephen mic, of course, old travel partners and WCW they've been up and down the wrestling roads together. Mickey even remember Steve from when he was. Starting out in world class. That's out far these guys go back together. So this could be a fun conversation us is one of four appearances that make his head on the Steve Austin show. And this is around the time amid started his current endeavor of taking on spoken word shows doing those across the country. I've seen him live a few times. And he is excellent. You could probably catch some of that stuff on the network. It's a very good special that he did. And they also talk about chair shots, the origin of the cactus Jack name mixed got some stories about mill masqueraders Robert fuller, a working world class championship wrestling and even behind the scenes of production, and how he had a handed some of that stuff. And also, Mick talks about drew McIntyre who at the time of this podcast was on the independent scene and basically reinventing himself and eventually made his way back to w e and Mick and drew had a conversation. And Mick got the talk about some of the stuff that drew was having him check out that he was currently doing on the independent scene. So they do dive into that. And it's. Interesting considering how well drew is doing today on the current WB roster this Danes Stevenson history today being March twenty eighth not a whole lot going on. But the stuff that's going on is pretty big. I we start off in nineteen Ninety-three in Atlanta, Georgia w w tag team champion Steve Austin, and Brian Pelham in the Hollywood blonds fought Ricky steamboat and Shane Douglas to a forty five minute time. Limit draw mix it up there. And then we have in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. It's wrestlemainia fifteen where Steve Austin defeated WF world champion the rock to win the title in a no D Q match. I forgot that that was a not Q match. I just thought it was a straight match, but no Dodie Q match. And I got my information from the history of WBZ dot com. So coming up after the break, we're going to hear from Steve Austin and Mick Foley on a classic episode of Steve Austin show. March madness is all to another while start with the very entertaining opening round of games. And now we're down to the Sweet Sixteen the hashtag sports net bracket challenge, presented by bet. Online dot AG continues. As a Steve Austin show competes against other podcast one sports net shows to get in on all the action. Sign up today for a free account at met online dot AG and use the promo code podcast one for your fifty percent. Welcome bonus each week throughout the tournament, the podcast one sports net show that has picked the most games correctly will be rewarding listeners with money and your bed online dot AG account, and don't sweat it. Because if your bracket gets busted early you'll still have a chance to kick out and win some cash. It's asked exports net bracket challenges presented by Ben online dot AG. Don't forget to use promo code podcast. One bet online dot AG your online sportsbook experts. Steve Austin on onto Liege. Crib is good to see your assets. Good to be good to be here. Man. I feel honored under a lot of pressure though. Wait, a no fresh. I was thinking I was thinking how do you start off conversation with my whole travel partner and a good friend and guy who's been down the road as many miles as you, and I have and then you drove up as at a park in front of the driveway has Parkin's tight and drove up. That's what we're starting to car. Let's do it. Everybody knows you're gonna cheap his cats in the history of the business, and I say that with all due. Because I'm number two rows behind you. So you come crews nothing brand new two thousand fourteen white dots challenge. I thought you gonna stop it's twenty four zero two eight easy. So what's? Play. The senior treat yourself with a little style. There was a defining moment in my life. And I'm gonna I, you know, I don't swear much, right? I we'll do whatever you. I'm going to drop one for you. You guys this in a very seldom do that talking in first person either. But I remember my third day in the company, you know, WB, I I didn't have much relationship with Vince for a year, or so, you know, like Hello, miss men. How are you doing you him Mr. man in the beginning? And then I then I went so many years calling him Vince that I remember going back. It took me years to figure out this is gone going all the way back to when Vince at the the explosion where Mr McMahon had died, and I wasn't happy about it. And at that time, I had the stroke to say something that stroke is long gone. But I went up to him. And I said Vinson, I get a call from a soldier who really was blown up. And he was worried about you. And I got a call from a. A little boy who really is dying. And he was worried about you. I said this is an incredibly poor taste, and he is Mick. Vince McMahon didn't die Mr McMahon did. And I said, do you think our audience has different? He was of course, they do. And it was right? Then I realized what he was talking about like a year earlier when we're doing it was alive to live backstage interview. Whether it was why she would have caught it, and I was calling I Ferdinand's, Vince. And he said, what did you call me? Bence like I never knew where he was going with it where he was going with it was he's Mr McMahon. And I had no idea they were two separate people. Right. So yes, we're going back to ninety six I'm in. I'm new in the company, and he comes up to talk to me. And he sees me putting something on my back. You know, like a little kid. But do you have your back? It's nothing would have your back. And he prize out of my hand book that says America's sleep cheap, cheap sleeps. How to stay around the country for less than thirty dollars a night because that was prime on my mind, you know, at that time. I don't know. I want my round under the bed. Pretty good faith a lot of experts. It wasn't going to be long at all. No. So I was saving every dime. I could. And it finally got to a point where I was in somewhere in West Virginia wrestling undertaker, I'm not on top of them second from top. You know, I come time for me to find a place to sleep and I pay twenty five dollars cash. No credit cards accepted. You have to go around smart marks out to kiss ash. And I lay down his bed the bed just sags under my way, twenty five dollars cash, and I just looked up at the ceiling, and I said out loud. I said what he doing here you're cactus fucking Jack. And I talked adverse Burson call myself. I'm giving name and cursed allowed. I went over to the guy, and I told him that that wasn't going to support my back, and I went in and I and I got like a fifty dollar room. I like went from the one star, you know, the bully to the twos, two and a half three star level. And and I realized you know, that man, maybe those those glory days were tripling up in the lodge. You know, they make for great stories, but as going to have to invest in myself a little bit better. So although I would've loved we show them in a car would a place you first and foremost in my mind is comfort of the driver's seat. We're talking off air by the fact, I went on a fifteen date tour fifteen cities and fifteen dates Suzanne, Ron eleven states ninety two hours of driving and I need that good front seat. And if you're you're cactus fucking cactus. I've already dropped my one f bomb I try to use one in our. Our when I do my show, and it's you take whatever's in the lot if you're a national guy, you know, you get your pick. Once you've you've bought a club. Yeah. Yeah. Pick of seven or eight things that SUV they had a couple of other things cars are too small on new that dodge had the prime. I got it. Why would go to move you parked my driveway? So I got in spun that thing around. That's I drift challenge. Tweet. Right. Very nice. You hall, Nash buckled up. Yeah. You know, what everybody is you got you on us, all your technology. And you you go way back before cell phone around. Yeah. You got you roadmap over there. You type in a destination on your iphone? You gotta physical roadmap. The listen to the Steve Austin show. So you're so young that y'all don't know that a paper map, actually exist, and you look on highways and byways shows you how to get places Mick Foley cactus book and Jack has a real node map on his passenger seat. You don't see don't see them in on his I don't usually travel with one. But there are times, you know, you have to verify you type in your your GPS. You get the thing. And then check it. Sure. It's okay. Yeah. Is that been out there? And I'm sure you have to or the the GPS takes on a mind of its own, and you end up going along way me and my brother-in-law's on a car the of the day, and we was going to Chico California from sparks Nevada says don't Ellis road. It's a dirt road when a quarter mile down at thanks do a Utah. Turn I trust this lady, and we took away around and sure enough about six seven eight miles later on right hand side arose was LS road. It was a shortcut, and we did it take. So it proved proves it kind of blew up on her face on element. I'm over there. Eight them all of the state of California. So at least need to know where I'm going. My question. You is do what are you doing? You. Stark, raving crazy, you're so speak kicking it. Now, he worked your 'Self. You beat up your body. Now chairs to the head. You should be kicking back picking your spots on have it's hard. You know, the dates are coming in of been working on this for five years. I went from where I couldn't get anybody to go to the show. It was frustrating. I'd do a book signing, and I'd have a good line. I do a minor league baseball game great line. And when I asked me, hey, you gonna go to my my show. I could tell people were lying to me about creating excuses. Not to go to the show because it it doesn't seem to make sense. It seems like a giant leap went actually is like a little sidestep. You know, look at guys, and they really are doing. I never should've call the comedy should've gone with spoken word should a coin phrase like WBZ with. So what it is? Or just still us. It's numerous wrestling Centric, storytelling show, that's hard to put on a marquee. Right. That there are largely humorous, but don't have to be right. I can make a porn. I get a little and I make sure if I'm going to get sensitive or sentimental that I got something really shallow lined up right to dip my into and I'll make points. You know, all I try to cover some serious territory. But I also got a Sears territory. I mean is there any life lessons and your act because I mean, God dang with many times we been around together a lot of our friends and have died. Yeah. Drugs stuff like Atta meeting, you got any life lessons in your shows. Man. I mean one paying to see that they wanted just here. I used to say I wanna make people think as much as I wanna make laugh, and then when I got a real look at the academy, and how tough some people had it. I became a big believer in the power of the smile like, you know, what they can get the heaviness somewhere else. It's like with my books. People picked up little lessons about life. I'm not gonna force a lesson on though, the one lesson. I try to pass on his, you know, you don't let the situation to find for you. What being successes I always, you know, wrestlemainia moments become part of like it's part of the lexicon. You know, so I refer to things as my wrestlemainia moment. You know, I think where I was doing a little Santa Claus appearance. Because I have a weakness is, you know, for Santa, and I was doing it for a friend of mine who has a side project when Norah Jones, and I come in I show up late. I almost laughed at cursing out loud. The GPS tell me, I'm on the Brooklyn queens expressway. And I see the BQ we over me on the verge of leaving. Then I looked in the mirror, and I said if you don't go back in there, and I got my beer bleached ride. My skin's all burnt underneath. You don't go back in there. Do the best job. You can you know deserve to wear this and so similar lessons. What you doing in wrestling? And then when I walked in. It was like it was like entering the land of Oz. You know, and I walk up there. I say my little piece. Nor Jones goes to sing silent night. And I'm looking at microphone enor- Jones about eight feet away from me. And I thought myself you don't walk up. There starts singing silent night. Santa claus. Jack. And that was like I'm looking at it before to people there. And it's like this wrestlemainia moment. This is as feels good as anything ever did inside the ring. That's really the only lesson. I have is that you know, you can take a guy who used to perform in front of tens of thousands and put them in some case in front of tons of tens usually in the hundreds, you know, I mean, I need double digits have good time. You can't have a single digit crowd. But I'm enjoying it. And I go back I have to go back to two thousand when I was a Commissioner to think of a time when I had this much fun that and from you know, from just a financial perspective. I mean, one of the problems you were like, probably like me, I wonder the JR, and I've stayed friends all these years because I was not shy about making that 200 three phone call when I thought the paycheck was a little I got to laugh last any of the boys out there. Listen to to to this podcast. I mean, you got to rattle Kate sometimes in regards to payoffs and another quick segue. Always tell gas. He's these youngsters coming up. Always ask the house. No, you spot on the car, and who you work with Thomas when it comes to buck for promotion, you will have concrete evidence. And you will have learned the system continue Stein. No. I know we're going to go off and a lot of segue here. And but I hope people wanna hear talk wrestling, and you had Zach on a few weeks ago. And I just I felt like I had to write something about the Zack Ryder case, and I was going to call it the tragedy Zack Ryder, and then I watch the evening news and saw real tragedies and of calling it the sad case of sad story that rider the saddest part about that whole situation is when I asked him what happened. He said. I don't know. I said you never asked and he shook his head. And he said, no. And it's like it's almost expected like you need to. That's the big tasks like above and beyond what you can do in. The ring you need to make that knock on the door and state your case. And in his in his situation, he had a rock solid case allowing to merchandise. He got himself over on YouTube him. Yeah. I mean, you know, I don't show. Yeah. On on. What is e c. Yeah. And people responded say may be maybe didn't have legs that the tweaked it. Yeah. He would have to but you need to. Giants. Yeah. Kid got himself over and so that is a lesson for everybody. There is that you know, when you first come in. Of course, you're humble, and you expect, you know, you're happy to be there. But the business doesn't do. Well with guys who are just happy to be. You gotta pay a target on another guy ups back and go after that guy. You got to take up a spot. I mean, you don't really this is made looking back and reflecting. But I mean, as you were I mean, God we went down the road together we Hungary's ill. Literally, we are starving. Always always trying to make it one notch up on a card when when you grew up as a fan of the business and Jack lives on Long Island before we roll out in long island's anyway. You just want you want to be a pro wrestler. Right. Yeah. But I mean, there's always drain the main man, Steve, I'm gonna different categories. I've been told for so many. I just I didn't accept that. That was my day program, you they beat you know, so many naysayers you can win. But, but I I I never I never saw myself as being a champion like I honestly when you say was my program success. Like, a you are we wrestled you were going onto the you were going on to the next next big thing when I had the rock it was because he was about to wrestle you. I I knew my role, and I accepted it. I mean to this day when people say like, don't, do you think you don't get you don't do does it bother. You. Don't get enough credit. You know, you're not up there with the new plenty of cry. But you had your naysayers while you're in the trencher. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of them. Yeah. Same. But the the the the endgame was making it making a contribution. And then having the best possible match I could whether and then decided whether or not the guy that I worked program with with more worth more to the company. I I saw I honestly saw myself as a role player up until you know, ninety you know, until I got to WB and and saw ninety ninety six. All right. I can't compete with the big boys. I remember taking that plane ride from my first tryout, and I was a little bit intimidated, and I had to sit back and think we're second. I wrestled with about two thirds of these guys. But you know, like, yeah, I'm going into business with the undertaker but deep down he's the same guy road with right? Six years six years ago. Again, changes that much had that level pep talk to myself. That's a it's an intimidating situation. So then tell me these phone calls you would have a gym. Else because. Must be vociferiously. I use the big word he used lexicon. I back with different asleep as a wrestling broadcast. There's been some bitch. What the fuck are. They talking about out that they could tell about steel tears hacked to this day. I can't say they were trepidation without thinking. You know, like, how are you being so trepidation even used it in my hall of fame speech? Trepidation. Good number one bestselling all they were hesitant got trepidation. From a Randy macho, man savage, promo trepidation is the word of the day and went on to discussing match with whoever was tell me about these phone calls with Jim Ross how heated would they get because I talked to Jim all the time. He says he talks you pretty equal. Loves you to death. So obviously. Yeah. It's a wonder because did you stand your cakes fairly hot fairly fairly heavy but not too frequently. Right. So they always made something they always made a difference. They're always meant something when I called pissing a motor in every paint. You gotta pick your spots. But it was somewhere around ninety eight. I think when I when I realized that I was a I think I realized I was a player or the world got the message, you know, right at on that Monday night show where we're all the people turn the channel. And you know, I did stay my case, you know, Vince respected that JR would go to events, and then they usually build simple extra in a couple of cases, you know, a lot of extra extra money. And I, and I think that was his big battle as anything you'd be part of in the ring, which is fighting for what you thought you. You were worth, you know, speaking of what you were when I came into the WWF as ringmaster Adleman down, a WCW cannot talk about WW money, and when I left there, I was. I was making about two seventy five my first year in the WWF amid about one hundred grand lesson that then I started getting hot that next year. Yeah. And real hot, and it was coming on pretty fast. And this was back in the day when they would bring your W two or ten ninety nine whatever your tax return forms at the building. And hand it to you. It was a TV taping is a Monday night raw. I remember like it was yesterday. A I forgot from our still chairs, I remember I got my ten ninety nine or whatever you call it. I looked at it. It said X amount of dollars, man. I thought I'd really smoked everybody's ass at that point and come up the curve, and my paid-in reflect that and I was walking around and pretty bad mood and JR comes up to me goes what's going on as an managers got my gimmick, as I don't believe this is what I made I should made this. Donkey. Oh, man went talking. Oh, man. You'll man made up the difference. And that was my big boost on the way to starting to make the coin that would come back in the day. But you know, unstated my case and was pretty firm on it. Because I thought I'd had a killer here. Yeah. And so, but that was my first case of really having to start bucking for promotion, you don't Nick to youngsters out there. You gotta buck because you gotta learn. Let me open up a can of figurative. What baths here have you seen drew McIntyre since he left WB when they just don't TV while ago in Scotland always got it now Knight. Nice kid, right? Nice. Young man won't seem to be about where he should have been on the on the card. He reached out to maybe social media. You know, what do you think it should do? I said watch watch WB countdown and watch what Paul Heyman says about stone cold Steve Austin, when he left WCW how Paul secret wise, he took that anger that you had and the frustration and let you channel it into something productive. I said watch that and learn from it and a couple of weeks later, I get this thing. He said would you young? Would you be willing to watch something? I said sure I'll give it a I'll give it a view tomorrow. And then when I say that I who knows my weeks before you know, what I owe it to this kid to watch sing now. And it was like watching a different human being like if anyone who said, do you think drew Galloway real name has that inside of my was no, no, he's a mid card guy love month. Reimb- not a main event guy never will be in ten minutes. Check change my mind, and I'm not knocking WWE because they were working with what they thought they had. But I think he somebody in the same way that when I left WCW in both ninety and ninety four and wanted to come back as a as a different guy to be taken more seriously. He's somebody I think the company needs to have an eye on because I was like wait a second. I forgot this guy. Six seven. He's two hundred seventy pounds is ripped. He's a legitimate. Forget to good looking kid. Right. And I never seen a dose of a thimble full of aggression in them. And it was like all their in Scotland. I mean feeding off the crowd announcers calling it like like a match it was really exciting. And it just that idea that if you if you're not happy with your your. Lot in life. You you you do something about it? And I think just wanted to make it a point on your show, then your show carry some weight. You know, this is like I wanted to write a wanted to write a post about it. But if you go over a couple of hundred words on a post people lose interest, and so if you're out there, you know, people check that out you'd be shocked at how how how good that kid can be twenty nine years old. He comes back in a year or two as a man instead of a kid, and doesn't let people remember him the way he was you've probably seen some good wrestlers. Come into w just seemed almost physically shrivel the rings a little bigger. Everybody's six six to seventy unless you got in your head that you absolutely positively belong there. 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Honestly, really has you know, I didn't know we didn't know nearly as much about concussions versatile, and I thought it can cut him something knocked you out and throwing up, and so I guess that had six and we come to find out that it's not just the major blows. It's those cumulative blows, including body Bose who would have known. Yeah. Like who would have ever guessed that a backdrop on the floor say can you marry a neurologist orthopedic guy, looking at a backdrop and a concrete Florence slow motion. What that does your body? And you think about I mean, I remember wrestling you at how shows backdrop, and you number one guy in the business, and you're taking backdrops in the concrete. I'd how shows because you were doing what you thought you had to do, you know tonight to pop that crowd. In retrospect, you know, man, maybe, you know, maybe some of those decisions weren't that sound especially post two thousand four in that would've started catching update. Well, ninety nine I remember hunter actually saying to me like people say, hey, make volley must be like falling apart and hundreds like, he's you know, he's actually moving around pretty good. That was like ninety eight. Yeah. Within about a year. And it was I was like a different human being everything hurt like it. Caught up mother nature and father time kick, my ass in hurry, mother nature. Got it down. Does your brother, but you have any major surgeries yet? Did you have anything replace to? I you know, what here's the pro. Here's bar problem. I went to you know, to topple the neurologist skimming, the X two of them nickname. You know, it's kind of this is something I'm proud of this. I wanted on my epitaph. Dr cantu. From the Boston center for traumatic and Seth allopathy told me, no one certain terms that I could never go in the ring. Again. I looked at one of the top row. Just right. The I said I can work in entire match around my left knee. That's a great wrestler line. Right. Like like, I can work at a tire match on my left knee. And he just looked at me, Mr. folly when you were in my office, two weeks earlier struck me as a bright young, man. He said I've been doing a little readings you got a lot going on. Because if you think you can find another neurologist to clear, you that's up to you. But I'm telling you as as a neurologist, you should never be in the ring again. And it was like it was like an enormous weight off my shoulders. It really was you know, so because someone gives you a reason to welcome the ball was it was taken out of my court. It's almost like a boxing match where the the guy throws in the white the white tab for you. Yeah. And I had that talk with edge like six weeks later, you know, I was driving through the mountains of North Carolina. The edge lives somewhere gave them a call. And he was like at total peace with that decision. Because you realize coming back means risking paralysis. It's not a matter of guts, you can't do it. And I think guys like us you need that guy. Tell. In you. You can't do it. Because otherwise, you will be sitting there, and I probably could have had a good match with dean Ambrose, right? Ten minutes. You know with all the bells and whistles. I'm and I was even gonna call undertaker say can I please for one match. Can I come up through the ranks? Right. I had it all had all everything lined up. And I thought we had a heck of a match. So it was easier for me to have the ball taken out of my hands. And and kind of walk over the bench and sit down when I was in Seattle resume nineteen men. Drinking a little bit to fans of told the story too many times I won't tell it again. I went to hospital at nine amulets harbors going crazy beg Timoti speech tax and all that bullshit. And they put four liters of fluid. Emmaus dehydrated didn't really give me the clearance to wrestle the next day. But I was going to because of the rest may nineteen and I knew I had to hang them up. And so had you know going to work because that's what we do. Yeah. So I went to work, man. I remember showing up in man, Jason the guy who works at WWF had to place lit up. It was beautiful building. You know, they're veteran and air K D And all the gang. Was there JR road Whitney? I was in a real might have been someone who looked at me wrong or talking about damn they want to start crying. Because this is my last match even chance to tell everybody because I needed to rat out from the sunset because my guy said, hey, do you need to get out dodge, and you need to do it now. So you know, when when did it, but I remember rocky me with three rock zone that last one lay there at one two three and manned the Phelan. It was just like what you said. A weight was lifted off my back because it didn't have to go out there and put anything on line anymore and don't get me wrong. I would have kept doing it. But someone to the ball on my hand. So I felt that relief. Yeah. And it was it was then it was Steve it's okay to go now. Because doctor said, hey, you need to get you out of here. Yeah. So I felt like felt relieved. And now when I look back. I'm what twelve thirteen years removed. And I think if I never would have the neck issues up I'm gonna made at least another good five six now. It's pretty fiscal, Bob. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Crazy much like you. But a snapback bumper. But now contact I think had I stayed in the business because I feel pretty decent right now. But there days I feel like shit. I'm thinking, I would feel more like shit had. I got that extra five or six. So I'm probably cool. What I am cool because I got all the business out of my system. Yeah. With riding off to the sunset when I did I had the sunset exit in two thousand and I had the sunset exit in two thousand four and I had it in two thousand six and it was just I couldn't, you know, like who knew the economy was gonna fall apart. You know, like, wait a second. So not only is the money. I saved like not going to miss. It's losing money in a like. And there were his sense that I'd just written a second novel, which the world did not exactly, you know, line up to buy and I was like. I can make as much money for a comeback match. Carlito like there is still a market, right? For a for a Mick Foley match. You know, even wasn't a main event match was still something there, and I kept going to that. Well, and you know, man, if I could have taken a racer rewritten history, you know, anything post two thousand six would have been off the record for sure. So what about all this stuff with a Christopher Nowitzki? The the brain institute, whatever it's called that respect. I just don't know what it's called Boston center for traumatic encephalopathy Abby badges say that continuously back can continue to say it correctly. I know he's still got a couple of times. And I do I wanna do next year show. I wanted to deal with some of the the head head trauma, and I've dabbled in a little bit where I've said as long as I continue to say the words Boston center for traumatic and stuff a lot of the. I know I'm okay. And a couple minutes later, I'll come back to the Boston center for traumatic sympathy. And then I'll start coming up with different ways to screw up the name. And it's an uncomfortable after because not everybody understands it up on purpose. And it's kind of like a clever thing where you get in the last few people was like, I don't know if I'm supposed to be right? This guy's expense. Right. And that's one of the things I'm looking for is like how do if I do want to make a serious statement in my show. How do I do it? And I've talked to Brennan burns who's a brilliant comic muster alia and knows the wrestling business really has real good field. Wrestling minutes, if it wasn't for the fact that Vince would personally hate him and heaven thrown out by the end of the first day he'd been outstanding asset to the writing team. And I asked him about that. And he's like mate unit. Get that series. You gotta have killed killer. Final fifteen and I don't have a way to go from there. But it's like you drive down the road reminds me so much of like coming up with a match for pay per view. You know, like, you got your you get your sections. You've got your moves, especially for me had a limited set of moves and I had to keep. Thinking of different ways to combine them throw them in you know, different ways of making the match's exciting. And when it clicks the same way that you know, the match would come together and click and you'd have that vision in your head. It's it's the same feeling of filming. I'm not there yet. I don't know how to I don't know how to do next year show yet. So how's the gray matter inside your cranium? You good you fucked up. Well, you know, it's it's going to be a waiting game. You know, I mean, I'm donating relapses here. Now. Sometimes I can't you know. I I always joked my damn wife as hell man, sometimes Christian, fasttrack, Krause, aroma sooner. I forget why cross it so y'all have a gap. But I can't say that that's because I got hit with a bunch of steel chairs because I was a hands guy. Probably had you know, two to three concussions due to activity and ring just about gone wrong. Yeah. So I can't chalk it up myself, and I got lit up playing football. Now here there if you times when they asked me how many times you've seen stars. That's what would he mean? Like, hundreds, you know, you're telling me, and I don't see stars you see constellation. I really used to wrestle undertaker in the night of charge him in that corner. Bring up the the boot and have the chair in my hands and the percentage of people who would have known the difference between real contact and some space would be so minimum. But to me if it did if I didn't feel the stars wasn't doing it. Right. Right. It going back in time. I would have had that. Hey, you know, what would it have hurt? Right. Put not only the hand up between the my chair, and when that boot, but the put that chair up when those you put that hand up when those chairs were travelling at high speed McEwen to wrestling school and at the core, you're beginning was with Dominic Ghanouchi correct right now in this school of professional wrestling two questions. How long was the wrestling school? And did you learn how to take a chair shot? It's no questions. All right. Yeah. I'll it's the second one. I know there was never a chair shop. Okay. Okay. We'll get the rest of the wrestling. Talk about a chair shot because all of a sudden there I was in Dallas, Texas down to go down at Tennessee. And I'm forced to use a steel chair because as an angle ensues or progresses. You get new first angle inevitably a chair will come into your hands on your head. You gotta take or receive it you've been trained to do either one. Now, neither one now. So what was your experience with the steel chair in Dallas? They that one clunky steel chair. Like, no one even thought, hey, why don't we go to department store and buy steel chairs, you know, even when I remember wrestling staying at beach blast. And part of the reason we did well is because I went and searched the arena and found steel chair, you know, sit at a match earlier on they went used chair, and they had that horrible cushion chair is that looks awful it because it looks to the crowd like first of all those shares are heavy they hurt your vertebral structure. But the the crown because they have a pad on them the. The doesn't hurt on. Yeah. So then you have to go to the core steel chair. Exactly. And no, no the one we had Dallas was awkward at rust all over at Acis shit. And the first one of the first times, I I took a chair. I broke mile of my thumb put my hand up and the lesson I took from that was my head was harder. Wrong lesson. But also keep in mind that at that time, you know, you would work you are we working a gimmick, you're working to character. And I had an act say he's on me. I'm in a good way. Come to me, Jack you act wash are. Yeah goes, but you're so nice to the fans, you know, that was my weakness when you're in a territory every week your day Saturday, people get that part of what I talk about during my current show. And I and I and I and I love talking about I love the current show. I try to figure out ways every night to make it better. But I talk about that almost like collective realization, you know, after certain point, you know, we're you'd see all the wild moves. And I had the is which always get put a question Mark and people's minds, but it would be like about that six month. Mark of you'd watched for six months steadily. And then I'd come down with that elbow. I look up at camera was almost like you could feel people going. He's a nice guy. Like, they would all you got. I choose crazy. What I mean as government? And I think I was helped in WWE then that mask right, which I only recently came to find out through Bruce Prichard was really just Vince his way of hiring me while covering up my face. It was not meant as a deep psychological ploy was just JR JR. Waging a steady campaign on my behalf. And finally, Vince slamming his hand down at a meeting. All right, dammit. I'll bring him in covering up his face. Like, this is a quote that is you. That would have stunned a little I know that. You go beard and all the vote here. Looking do not. Yeah. I mean. Mean I have straight. You're looking dude. I was not a bad guy. And I had to do a lot with smoke and mirrors, and and put that goes back to creating that image in sports or him. You would go up and have Bill kovil and big, Mike. How Bill walking? Yup. That that really protective rope. That would keep the fans use like it was it was it was big around as core. That goes to my MAC, a laptop computer and that rope barrier said do the people do not. And you stay here wrestlers over there. It was the most forced yet. I'm safe environment history the restaurant business, but it was great. It worked for the sports. This. Are you look back and all the missed opportunities. Nobody taking a guardrail you shoot somebody into the rope white clothes on take me into the guard. Rope. But I would walk up after Bill would lead me in there'd be like that twenty foot walk from the isle to the dressing room. And to the day. It was torn down. There was a section that was almost completely dented because when I would come back from my matches you'd have ten or twelve people looking at you. I would slammed my head five six times in there because the idea was those ten people would tell ten other people, and you'd be really is praise. Yeah. And sometimes I mean, I would I wouldn't I would I knew where the beams were at least I thought it would void the beams. Usually, I missed them that sometimes I wouldn't write looking back now in in in ninety seven when my back really seized up on me, and I was really struggling but needed to give people what I thought they deserve as far as physical match concerned like ours. Okay. I can't take the bumps that that I'm known for how do I create the allusion out wildness, and this was in WWW Morton. Let's go back to two world class championship wrestling because you broke into the business in what year broken in eighty five eighty five by the time. You got down to world class. I mean, well, you might have been there before. But I remember paying ticket to see restaurant you there. I was and then I was in Chris Adams school. Yes. You saw me verse day and news nest? This is another statement of where my head was at the time. I've been I've been gone from home for seven or eight months. I could have easily said can I have one week off to go back home and see my family really would not have been an issue. But in my head there needed to be a reason, why wasn't at the TV in retrospect, how many people would have cared. How many flags would have been raised as to why isn't cactus jagged TV? I thought I needed a reason. And the reason was going to be stretchered out and for the twenty five dollar fry Saturday morning pay off I took the Nestea plunge off that ring apron, and you could actually see that's what I'm getting at. Yes. Bidding up spitting coughing up gobs of blood, and then Akbar cuts the great promo where he goes the Marc Lawrence's. We'll take tax checking nevermind look at this expensive shirt. An act told me later that's always used plant that seed like that he deep down didn't care about his guys instead of going home. You know, I got carried out. I wasn't gonna let anybody see me walk out of that arena. I was going to wait until so many hours that elapsed that there would be nobody to see me leave when I got power bomb in the concrete by maitre and WCW I left my car in the parking lot for six weeks because that was the type of thing that made a defendant how to some out at that. Back days you've been gone thirty days, seventy two hours days. And then when you drop an elbow are the let me just make way, but the point was that's why I was in the crow's nest because I didn't want anybody to see me leaving sports oriented, and I just happened to be there on the day that class began. And you know, you know, the way a wrestling group school dominion as you can kind of cast off just about almost all the guys almost immediately. And sometimes you're gonna make a mistake as people do write me. But it was like all right that one kid's got that thing going on and obvious out turned out to be, you know, she got lucky, but I'm ever going to go. I wanna go back to you drop an elbow off. Because I mean, yours dropping at one side. Yeah. Because curls was here drop it right there. I'm sitting there drawing on debut and mix saying, yeah. So it's true. You just can't see it. It's audio video. I gotta learn that we'll get to cameras in here. One of these days. What made you decide to take that leap of faith on? The concrete way back in the day. And was it because that was who cactus? Jack was was he added control crazy willington flick damage on a person Harvey he could or were you looking at its core. When you started doing that to be noticed by somebody to get a push. I brought Robert fuller is one of the first guys had faith in me. I think you had about as good a time in Memphis, as as I did, you know, I learned a lot too. Yeah. I didn't like it. I've since made peace with Randy Hales, right? He brought me and my family the circus. I realized a valuable learning experience you go in you don't know your opponent is until you get you see your name on the Chuck Bryant you walk out there. You haven't seen the guy? I haven't talked to him you putting a match together you're learning as you go. I learned a lot, but I wasn't treated particularly well there and Robert was the guy who had faith in me. And Robert saw me take I'm going to drop a second bomb on us is note worthy line, Robin Roberts saw me take that nest. T- plunge at spot show for twenty five dollar payoff. And man that that concrete just about knock me out and opened up a nasty wound on the back of my head. And I went back in a row. We look like a pussies in on your head. I don't know whether to stitch it or fucking. I don't do Robert bullet. I've never asked anybody for an instant replay on my life repeat that. Dan, again, mother I slow motion that looks like a big old pussy on your head damn Jack. I don't know whether to stitch it or fuck it. For ever heard my. But on the way home, he told me, listen, son. That's it's a mighty impressive bump, and I'll stop trying to Roberts voice knows impressive bomb. You gotta you gotta take you got to take care of yourself. You have to do these things when they're meaningful. Couple of weeks later were driving and Roberson lead. He'll in Memphis, and he's you know, Robert great mind and just wasn't clicking days. Like, I don't know. What to do? I've man easy. He didn't want to blow off the the the angle and the first week. You know, he was looking for a way to do a return match on a rob. I have an idea and it was. What was the program? This is Jeff Jarrett just gotten Roberts loaded. But okay, you know, so we had the loaded boot in Ryan, we knew there was going to be be trouble and any any my Steve Austin show listeners out there that don't know what a loaded Buddhism. How does it? That's what the folks boot. You actually had some kind of apparatus sewn into the the sole of the boot. And he would kick, you know, you get jingle. And then he would use it like when cornet had to tennis rackets, sometimes they would load that thing, and they'd put a horseshoe and cover that's that's loading and putting a foreign object or piece of steel allegedly or sometimes for shoot and an object. So Robert fuller mobile lower new boat. Jeff Jarrett gun hold a loaded. Boot. We knew there was going to be trouble. But in Memphis, you have to come back four or five times. You're there every week. You just think of a way to come back next Monday. And Robert was looking for a way to the next Monday without blowing off the program in the first week. And and I was riding with Robert if it had been anybody else in the territory, I said, I've got an idea, I probably would have been just ignored or shunned. And he goes with them guy. Let me hear it. And I and I said, well, I think this might be the time that Nestea. Plunge, and as it turned out. I didn't know at the time that you know, the wrestling fans had their annual convention. You know, the observer was there, and I ended up taking that nasty plunging in front of like the hardcore, you know, observer fans, right? And I guess it left a pretty lasting memory. And there was a there was there's blot him. And it was it was a pretty wild scene. But it was the right bump for that show. And then every time when especially when I turn baby face, we were looking for ways to create that type of impact from a selfish point of view, though. I realized wait a second. I need to have something offensive like at a can't this can't be my calling card is that everything I'd use. Yeah. Like, how do you? Right. Not him. How do I take that willingness and ability of your punishment and make it work from the offensively? And and I I wanted to be the guy. I mean, I was Superfly fan. You know, again, I used to one of my my firmness memories. In in. College is is always looking out at this houses at a party, a sophomore in college right before I a couple of months before ended up meeting to Nucci, and I was like just looking at the the the house next door guy comes over make good friend of mine because what what are you looking at us. It. He's think if I dove off the top of that roof with that garbage can break my fall. Like, I always wanted. I needed to know there was something that was big with that break my fall, right? If I die off of this sand dune with the waves coming out with those three inches with that break. My fall I wanted to be a Superfly guy. I couldn't I couldn't balance on the I couldn't balance on the top row. And you couldn't do anything as good as Jimmy. Did. I have I believe her. Why be the second best is something. I was just talking today on the hip hop station serious about the the your big hip hop guy. It was a perfect fit. Not likely draw single fan to one of my shows. But I was asked about the evolution that just hear me out here. We're saying the ablation of mankind, and the fact that it was actually the cell match that made me see, wait. I gotta find a different way to connect with people, and you may not want to take credit for this. But when your character just skyrocketed, they were like six or seven like Steve Austin lights, you know, like guys saying I'm gonna in every people whether they knew or not we're trying to be like you and not being successful at it. And I was a big deal. I'm not going to I'm going to be the seventh. Best stone cold. There's a there's an open market there for like the nerd fans. You know, and I need to find a way to make some people laugh to make that connection. So I I went in that direction, but going back to the elbow that was my way of of finding taking the talent that I did have for taking some wild chances and making it work for me as an offensive move. But question and before I asked you the question. I'm talking about loaded objects. You know, one of my favorites. Mid south wrestling Bill. Watts loaded Gucci bags Missy Hyatt would walk dark journey with that loaded Gucci bag. I mean that was one of the damnest loaded. Gimmicks of all time. It's got loaded Gucci bag if you hadn't seen it go back and Mugo mid south on YouTube. My question you make us when you took the nest he plunged to help preserve that angle. So that did you blow it off at night. And so that was so I don't know satisfactory a feeling of accomplishment. Yeah. Did you become addicted to that and say, hey, I gotta do this more. Because I know you just talking about moving to the future you need to use it on offense affront, but did you become almost thrill seeker are pain seeker and wanted to actually take note, you did I was pretty realistic. I mean, I didn't know the long term ramifications. Didn't know for example. Okay. Let me ask you this first. How far down the road were you looking in your career because I didn't look non-road, man. I would live in for the hair the now and waking up the next morning, Steve. Even in Dallas. I I gave myself till I was twenty six I'd like to think I would have had the strength of character to admit that that that gig was up if I was twenty six I wasn't making a decent living Lee livable apartments, cut car. Now, you're married, and I wasn't wasn't married. And I was I would go down to the TV studio in Las Colinas twice a week. And I would watch video Bob Boban gerski put the put the show together. And it's funny. If people go back while she'll world-class show, I would do several the voice overs. I produced a couple of the videos like pretty hands on there was even a time when Bob wanted to take a vacation they were gonna put me in charge direct in the show was added the background in college. Like, I was always fascinated. I was considered a pain in the neck by some people because I was walking around saying can you get get this camera shot him a low the camera. Here's the elbow. And I realize it's my bread and butter and at that time it was the thirteen to fourteen foot length. Back when I had a little spring in my layoffs, and even then there was very little. But I realize like you or to look into the people with the camera to help you look more like a so if if people go home, and they watched that Nestea plunge with mill Maas, Chris, it's it's a hell of a bump. But Jackie Crockett had the perfect camera shot, and as I hit you he shipped that camera. Right. And like I said when I got to WB there was just a little bit of feeling. No when I would walk through a this is what I'm trying to do is what I'm trying to accomplish. And now the now the producers are up there. What are you trying to do trying to compass? How can we is in? You know, I hadn't seen my my match with the the big show in the boiler room in years. My son you is such a fan. You know? I don't as a habit. Go back and watch my old things made it, but I remember Kevin remarking like he liked the way, you know. I'm in the knock on me, you know, from Neethling, you know, from people were not Mick Foley, guys, reliable were just a big bump guy. But I always wanted there to be a story, you know. And I remember Kevin Don really heaping praise on me, you know, after that match when I was clearly way past my physical prime, and I was just about to go out for some fairly fairly extensive knee surgery. We told act of a story complete with you know, as I made it to that made it to that wall. I made sure, you know, with the Hama bloody that I had that palm print and smear like he was gonna leave an impression. So I I was real big believer in the, you know, thinking visually way back, you know, I think before most people before into most people's minds you brought a. Name meal. Massacres? There's a story there were you a mill massacres fan of. You know, I I, you know, I don't I didn't enjoy a did not enjoy work with Mel. And I know, you know, a bird houses his nephew. I recognize. He's a legend drawn drew money everywhere that he went, but he wasn't. He wasn't interested in doing business that night and. You know, I tried to remember though, the store this was was in a pay per view. It was a clash of the champions. And so you're gonna work no mass. What's his beef with you WCW would some big picture thinkers, correct, we are in Corpus Christi and the small picture is. Let's get a pop from the Latino audience bigger picture is. Here's a fulltime guy. Why are we having has got some promise? He's the guy wanna us. Why we having him lose on national TV in the clash to a guy who won't be here ever again. And I was set to mill was late. Missed his flight set the wrestle Rick Fargo actually, pick up a victory on clash of the champions. And then you milk came in. I'd say twenty twenty five minutes before the match, and it was just a series of armed drags. You know managed to get that last. You know, that that one that one move, and I just I just wanted to kick out, you know, and I got caught flack. From the pay the powers of bay. Now, you were not kicking out on her. You know, and I I wanted that image, and I didn't get it. But what I did have was Jim Ross Rawson Jim cornet making me look like the superstar that Milton Jin. All right. You know? I mean as as great as as JR's, you know, guy got it my windows, broken half, you know, not far behind it and much less heralded was captured Jack is dead. You know, Jimmy had that high voice wasn't a perfect TV voice. But you held back. He was quick he knew his wrestling. He got people over and I liked people who who put the product before themselves, even if they had a larger than life personality. There were a lot of guys spring to mind cornet was one of them. Michael Hayes thought was very unheralded as an announcer as was Kevin Sullivan who even these these were gimmick guys go out of their way to put the guys in the ring over which I try to keep in mind when I had my short stint behind the microphone, so where did a cactus Jack gimmick come from. Cactus. Jack was who is who was he was tactics? Jack was my generic gimmick that I was only going to do long enough to become dude love, do you going in Indiana. You grew up on Long Island. How the hell did you come up with cactus? Jack, Suzanne eight loan is my dad, and I wrote about this in my book. But I I love love love and miss my dad, and I'll take this opportunity to talk about it. My dad had an had a reputation in our school system as a you know, as a as a disciplinarian into the fact that he had a kid who sometimes did things a little differently. You know was a cause of some concern. You know, like, it's my dad was like, such, you know, the the crewcut there's no there's no pictures in the Foley family vault at my dad with bell-bottoms and pork chop sideburns. You know, he was the the crew had guy. He was the. The athletic director in in the book, I talked about how ward Melville high school was the only school that didn't allow any like taunting or stomping when opponents for taking foul shots because they would try to do that my dad and just look up at that crowd with you know, we had this one glance and you'd see like eight hundred people stand down and cactus. Jack was just a game that name that I came up with for my dad when we're playing like wasn't the internet. Wrestling game was the magazine wrestling game, you could send away, you know, you cut some nabbing the Bill apter magazine. And then like three months later, you got this little board game, and they would be characters that you knew were supposed to emulate WWE WWF guys characters were supposed to the dusty Rhodes character is very similar name. And then there were some space if you could fill in your own names, and I was big train Foley. That's who I thought I was going to be and my dad was cactus, Jack. Yeah. And so later on you know, as months passed, I created this dude love persona for myself, which. Really was a wig in orange headband and a pajama top that somehow made me feel cool. I would put it on. I would go out at night, and I would have confidence that I did not have without it. It sounds absolutely ridiculous. But I was smoother. I talk with women away. I never could as as Mickey Foley Maki phone, Nikki. So when were you doing the do love, I was doing it as a as a a did it, you know, in a home movie that involve the, you know, the first dude love some ten twenty year old yet. Yes. Dude love and in eighty five and eighty six and then the the deal was, you know, I became cactus, Jack. I was I'm sorry. I do love and eighty three and eighty four started wrestling in eighty five with the intention of becoming dude love when I got good enough to earn that name. Then along the way, I realized you know, mother nature's not cooperating. I'm not I'm not dude love, I am this guy. You know, it's, you know, cactus, Jack on the surface seem to be like a western motif downtown it turned into something completely original with a very, you know, with a very generic sounding name created, a a very original concept where the Bank come from bang, bang, man. I love this story is just like some of the craziest things, you know. Just come out of thin air. It was if I say you're going to pop and we're not going to eat people won't see you smile. But if I say the name nasty Ned Brady, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. He was in enhance. I never call them job guys. He was in the handsome guy who had the greatest facial features. Greatest facial expression kind of like monkey whip arms. You know, he he was like me without the love animals like a thinner version, some Muskie Larry STAN boy like me without the added body weight, and he sold things magnificently, and I let the third or fourth week. I guess you know, it was November of eighty nine. I'd been turning on my partners for four three four five weeks. It was starting to catch catch on like people were actually looking forward to these tag team contests that I would lose or my partner lose then turn on that partner with the elbow. You know and put him out twelve thirteen feet Bom. Here we go, and I dropped that elbow, and it was a good one on nasty net Brady, and as I lay there as I sat up I the song. Love shack b fifty two's came into my head, and you can see it on the for all mankind. DVD? I actually say bang bang bang on the door, babe, actually sing sing sing the lyrics. And that was the last time. I sang the lyrics I, but I kept bang bang. Also, I believe you that night or the next night the last match I wrestled with front teeth. I was in, you know, went home that a friend's. Bachelor party, and we got hit head on by drunk driver those teeth for history, you know, and you know against my better judgment. You know, I had well-wishers come to the hospitals as good for wrestling. I know that that image of the guy with the missing teeth. That's long gone. And this is not good. And when I showed up I remember Jim Ross going, right? Look. And they gotta take what you can. You got. You gotta take what you can. And so this is a pretty pretty good luck. So much, sell, you know, I've never really gone replace them. So what was your favorite art of you to be mixed only do love mankind cactus, Jack? Get them. All I love you know, what Steve what's the difference between album? We we collectively, you know. And I'm talking about WW, I'm talking about Vince specifically in one case hunter a great job of creating differentiation in people's minds. You know to some people they you know, they say forget about the cell match. My favorite moment is when you did the promo where you're transformed for mankind cactus, Jack keeping mind all I was doing was removing one shirt to reveal another and the character would wouldn't have been dead, but greatly reduced head-hunter just laughed and given that you're the same guy with a different shirt writing go that route he put it over like he was seeing a ghost, you know, like a larger than life superhero. I'm getting goosebumps talking about it, you know, and it was one of those great moments like do or die moment. This guy. Either means something where he doesn't. And fortunately. All that. Yeah. Yeah. I saw immense meant something. And I'm quite honestly, you know, you go back if you're looking for that mythical cactus, Jack like he's there in spots. You know, like, you know, there's certain matches where I was as good as hunter was making me out to be. But I think w w a very good job of creating this mythical character from a guy who was a very good performer, but not mythical by any means until then which one of those guys was your favorite to me, which one of those guys was your favorite to work, or which one of those guys was easiest to work the closest to my heart was the Commissioner and two thousand. Yeah. You know, we're I completely changed courses. You know, I I went home. I did believe I was retired. And I went to Hershey Park, and I traded out a twenty minute QNA in the park for like the run of the place for four days meals included. So I made out pretty well in the deal, and I had a little, you know, shaving kits head shaver. I went home, and I went back to the room shaved off all my hair, which been a tr- trademark long since eighty since eighty five and my son. Do he was there? He thought it looked cool. So I, you know, I shaved his head to we get some great photos of us going on the log flew with no hair. And that was my signal to myself that I would never do anything in the public eye ever like ever again that was dead set. Never. And it was two days later. I got a phone call. I get home, and I get a phone call bell. How'd you like to be the Commissioner, and they are I and I showed up in somebody that hey Powell was the famous man phone. Mm convoy, which is either the best phone call. You could ever take or. Or bunch of hassle. And it was at same. It was at same. Hey, pal. It was like seven AM. So charismatic. He's good on the phone the seven AM. I never sleeps. Yeah. He got an idea for you. How'd you like to be dude love, and I went like once he said that he said that to me on the phone. They came up with doodo know what it was in this. I remember this. This is you said this to me, and this is one of the things that talk about during the current show. I love the idea that I can take people back and go into mankind and give them that feeling of being the ninety seven mankind may take him back to the interview segment. Right, right. Dustin Rhodes had just done. What was that the time really groundbreaking interview where he said, I'm Dustin Ronalds, a my son of a famous wrestler tub, I live in in his dad's shadow he referred to it is character. I don't think he's gimmick. But his character and WB wanted to do the same thing with me as mankind because Vince had come to realize that I had a more interesting real life story than the fictional one. We created as mankind, and it was one of those things again where you have to have a feel for your character. You gotta fight. What you think is right, right? Wanted me go out and talk to the fans just as I'm talking to you and say my name is Mick Foley used to be cactus, Jack, I've been wearing this mask. And I said I have a lot of I got a lot of time and effort tied up in this character, and I propose that we go out unscripted Jim Ross pulled it off probably nobody else could have and for years, I considered it'd be one of the top two or three three things I've ever done in the business. I said what of JR asked me questions. I will answer them with one hundred percent honesty, but I'll do it in character. And you probably heard this as well. I remember L snow telling me that the first day. I was in the in W W E that you couldn't really become a top guy to Vince personally became a fan and up until that night in ninety seven that wasn't the case. I was used good. You know, I'd been a top of a couple of paper use. I think if you'd ask Vince deep down is are you a fan of this guy? He would have been on the border and JR, and I just went in. And again, you know, you you to me that the intangibles like the magic in the air is can't be scripted. It's got it's got to be an element there. And I think we lose some of that. I think with scripting, you you you lose a lot of the lows you eliminate a lot of the horrible interviews. But you also lose that element. You know, the possibility of magic. Yeah, they scripted that it may have worked. It wouldn't have worked on a level that it did. It was like I remember you I riding and by the time, you were kind of you kind of a loner by ninety seven, you know. So it was unusual. That'd be we'd be riding again like the old days. And I remember you saying what are they doing? They turn your maybe face. And I said now, Steve I think they just want people to get a better feel for the character. You look at me said you'll be baby face in three weeks. And the best of my knowledge. It's the only time that I can recall a turn taking place without any in ring change without any, you know, without any know saving of a hero. Throw. It was just every week. They would unroll this thing. And when I told the story at even know Vince was in the room, it was all dark, and they said, we're gonna change tapes. And I heard a voice in the darkness go. This is outstanding. And I was like, that's it. I'm a made man in WWE like that was the most pivotal moment. I think of my career when I became a star in WWE. Does it up it's spring. You're about to kick out of old man winter smackdown. And you don't want your neighbors. Talking trash about your grass your loan can take a real beating. He drought bugs wake thin grass, and so many damn wage you'd think it was a Royal rumble. Well, our sponsors got turf biller has components. You need for thick green lush lawn. 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How One Good Client Can Change Your Life (w/ Alex Cattoni)" | RTB#21

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"Hi you're listening to the road to a billion podcast. I'm your host stuff in georgia. Since two thousand eleven. I've sold over seven hundred million dollars worth of products for both clients my own companies. I've also founded or co founded eight different businesses that grows between seven to nine figures in revenue. Today i focus a lot of my time on teaching training a mentor in the next generation of freelancers and entrepreneurs and that's why created the road to a billion a call in radio. Show style podcast. Where i answer. People's questions on mindset business ownership scaling funnels copywriting and more. If you want to admit a question then check out the show so learn how or visit me at stephan. Paul george dot com forward slash. Subscribe to opt into my email list. And every week you'll get a link to join the live call in show and with that being said let's go ahead and get started. Hey you're listening to the road. Two billion podcast. I'm your host stephan. Georgia and i'm glad to have you with me here today. The row billion is a call in radio. Show style podcasts. Where you can ask me questions. About freelancing copywriting entrepreneurship mindset scaling funnels relationships money and more the reason for the name the to a billion is twofold. One is because the different kind of copy. A rock copy for will hit high billion dollars in sales. Almost certainly this year if not the very beginning twenty twenty one And also. Because i want to make a direct impact in the lives of a billion people over the next ten years. So we'll start taking calls in about five minutes from now and like. I mentioned the way that works is you'll just put your questions into the qna section in zoom. If you're on facebook live you cannot do that. But i can give you the zuma you in a second tariff special guest host. Andy jeffs is going to be reviewing questions feeding them to my guests myself Dismay guests in just a moment as well before we go into that. Andy do you wanna go ahead and say hi to everybody in introduce yourself. Yeah absolutely guys site. what's up. I'm andy on basically at ray in a british kind of body back. yang. I'm a copywriter for the upgrade man which is a men's company also just launched a youtube channel About how troubling america such music collaborations. Such super excited alex's talk also copyright two full. i'm sitting lots of a familiar faces on the dashboard. I miss you say that you got a perfect awesome. Thank you So yeah that's andy. Were thrilled he stopped me. We'll be back. Don't worry he's on a You know and he's going to do an amazing job to of course but at just doing some time which is awesome. I wish i had the self awareness to take a retreat. When i was twenty year. Whatever our old at is fourteen secretly home so today our guests who join us super excited is alex ca. Tony if you don't know about al especially your last name right. I always assume i am but why yes. You are perfect. So yeah if you don't know about alex She started out as an intern at valley long before long. She was basically their head marketer. She helped launch one of their personal growth brands. Ever and even. I know i took this from era bio and from the the testimony. We've got alex but one kind of design tweak you you did for them for the funnels increase landing page conversions by close two hundred twenty percent which is amazing I know that the founder of valley called you a genius in his testimonial which i don't disagree with but since then you've done high profile campaigns for all kinds of amazing companies in people from numerous dot com To of the most respected personal growth and development brands have awesome youtube channel That has over sixty thousand subscribers Over sixty hundred dollars last night. And alex is teaching and sharing all kinds of amazing stuff. Copywriting freelancing things of that nature She also has the copy posse. Which i'll let her talk about. Anti is founder of the fight club mastermind. Which is happening in san diego. Actually the seventh through the ninth. I believe right. But i can't go because in canada i'm gonna be like the co host on the screen which i'm about the yes. It is happening coming right up the because i was going to. I'm going because we're in san diego out on my gosh finally get to go to one even go to the one in march as well But yeah so basically just. I'm throwing him. And i will say tease this. A little bit before Alex row one of the one of my favorite sales letters Of all time for numerology. So we're gonna talk about that as well but alex it is awesome to have you here with us thank you for joining ranking so seven is obviously following. What you've been up to for a while. And i love your copywriting group and i kind of like lurk in there and see everything that's going on and i'm so just just so honored to be here with all of your amazing members awesome must fantastic So yeah we're pretty informal. It's going to chat a little bit about you and your career for the first half an hour from there. We'll move into answering questions so i think the q. And a. There's nobody asked questions alex yet. You guys are crazy. If not but i imagine some. We'll start coming in but everyone's telling me to jump the border like yeah said right. That's related to my australian friends. I'm like this is the suitcase saying. And then you're in. The cargo hold is not a thing that works or could have like right fine. You read a story. I'm not trying to questions but someone who did do that. I survived type. Tv show and the guy because he went unconscious. 'cause there's no pressurization was so cold and he lost like Like like he basically blacked out for hours because he was in the hall airplane but then somehow when he when they landed woke up like he was completely fine. I didn't have any like brain death or anything like that. Indicates an unsolved medical miss live forever and he found the secret. Tim mortality is basically. Like bruce willis and unbreakable is probably. What actually no one try that at home so yeah. Yeah exactly so first. Question have is Tell me a little about your background. How did you first discover the crazy road of copywriting and digital marketing. And everything like oh man. Okay so i. I i feel like so many of everyone probably listening like when you discover this world. You're just like what you know by brother who's a doctor is always like. I don't know what you do you money out of the sky and i'm like you're right. That is what we do is as copywriters and online. That i like many you know students i graduated high school. I was going to be a lawyer like that. Was my goal. Power suit all the way wanted to be like just as bad as high high powered lawyer lakes. Thank god that never happened but I went to university studied. Business law had a minor in marketing loved marketing and then decided for my last year of my education to go abroad lived in austria for awhile came back and that really kind of gave me the travel bug and i was studying to write the sat to apply to law school and just had this kind of moments that i really did not want to go to law school just yet i hadn't quite managed to muster up the bravery to say no. I'm not doing it. But i really wanted to travel more but needed money. And so that led me on this sort of journey of looking for companies overseas. That i could work for through an organization that i was a member of university pulled isaac. I found my valley. I knew nothing about marketing. I was twenty two. I just thought it looked cool. And i applied and luckily you know. They happen to open up their jobs. Inbox right around the time. I was a fine and godman interview. And i remember saying on the call like i know. I don't have any experience in this. But i'll clean the toilets if you'll pay me to do it but that was that basically. I guess a few weeks after that call. I told my parents. Hey i'm selling my car. And i am moving to malaysia and i did and i made eight hundred dollars a month and worked as an intern and that is when i discovered my mind valley internet marketing personal development coffee writing like all at the same time in my like little tiny brain just exploded wide open and i like found like oh my god. This is what i wanted to do. What was it about this. Whole road of copyright and digital marketing. All of that really excited you when you discovered it. I think it just was so like you know i know nowadays. I'm sure in school. They talk more about ecommerce and digital marketing and stuff. But when i was in high school and university like nobody talks about that like you had. You had like this list ten things you could be. If you were like really smart you could be like a doctor. You know if you were really good at math you would be an accountant like we all have these preconceived notions of what it is that we wanna do. And i think. I just as a as a young as young person didn't have no idea about this online marketing world and so jumping into mine valiant finding out about about marketing it was like the creativity in an how you just like brainstorm something in a group then go created on the internet and reached hundreds of thousands of people. It just really And i just was able to dive into it and study and learn and the more i did the more i i loved about it and it spoke to that sort of innate love that i've always had for marketing that never really i always thought again like i think when a lot of people think of copywriting or marketing immediately they go to like madman world and they think oh the only mark jobs out there. It's like i have to be an ad. Exempted at exac like come up with taglines for like super bowl commercials and only like really smart people get to do that and so i had no idea that marketing was actually so necessary in businesses everywhere. One hundred percent. It is funny i after i took the sat my senior year of college and i even got into the university of miami law school. I've got into one or two other. But miami was only that was actually half decent of the top like sixty five sixty whatever i accept it and i was going to go and then i had this existential crisis Early summer where i was like. I'm only doing this because of the money you know. The only reason i'm doing this is because to your point of like Like so i could sound impressive to people like me. And i make money but yeah but i looked at all these people i knew who were lawyers and they were all alcoholics and miserable and knows maybe not. It's funny you say that personal. I have no idea how similar stories were like. That's crazy but yeah. I i was doing it for that reason. And because like my parents never put pressure on me but like i remember feeling like i can't. I have to do this like my like. I said my brother's now a doctor so he was going premed and i was like well. He's my twin. So i mean there's not like competitive thing there where i'm like. Well i have to be like the other really good profession which must be being a lawyer right but my stepdad. Actually one morning i remember. I was bartending. So i had a university education and i was bartending while i was studying for the l. Sat and i woke up. And i was heading to my shift. And he's just handed me a newspaper that was kinda folded to this article and he didn't say a word he just handed it to me and the headline was female attorneys. Have highest depression rate amongst all professions. Or something like that. And that was like the settled. Permission that i'm like. Is he telling you don't need to do this. And that's kind of when. I was like all right. Fuck it. i'm going. I'm going to travel. I don't know what that looks like. But i'm just going to go down valley so it's crazy how those little events on full hundred percent but but good for you for listening to that voice in your head. I mean i think intuition is so important Sounds like you had an intuition of knowing that you were looking down the wrong path and and to be able to have the awareness of of stepping back and even changing course right because people for time people all. I'm going to be a lawyer. I'm gonna take the adam studying for and then you have to do an about-face go actually. I'm not there. Especially when you're young like i think there's a feeling of like. Are you disappointing people. It doesn't mean that you're sort of like you know phony and so it's really cool that you're able to. Yeah yeah absolutely so okay. So you're at my valley started those Offered to clean toilets and everything and it kind to their credit. They're like probably sharp. Maybe there's better you know but how did you go from that kind of running. The marketing for them in such a short period of time was kind of journey. Like i mean. I think what's so cool about nine valley. Is that it really back then. Especially i can't speak to it now. I mean i left in two thousand eleven so you know anyone. I saw a couple of comments before. It's like oh. I was there to eighteen or fifteen or whatever and i'm like oh yeah i was like old school so i mean i was somewhere between like employee tenant and fifteen. It was a really small team. And i mean that startup environment. Like anybody who's ever been in it. It's like you hustle. And you just kinda like you. Don't ask for permission. You just kind of see what needs to get done and you go forward and mine valley rewarded that attitude and i am luckily very like very much. Have that attitude of like all right. I'm doing customer support over here. Because that's what i started doing customer service but i see a need over here and i just started studying remember reading or studying frank kerns bass control and learning about like his death grip email sequence. And i'm like i'm just gonna write was and like see if if it works and i i remember like sitting there writing email sequences and then passing them over to kind of the team in. Oh yeah hey. Let's let's send these out and we because of that started doing more more regular lists promotions and it was just sort of you know right right place at the right time. The company was growing really fast. They needed people to fulfill roles. You know i. I don't think by any means that was like the best in the world but hey i was there and their relied here. Go for it. And they basically gave me a business unit which in mind alley speak back. Down was like ok. You work with one author That publishing and then they have a variety of different web properties at so basically as a business manager manager one of their business units. We did everything we did. Customer service project management copywriting until the team got big enough. Where all of a sudden all of those specialties started becoming their own little teams but in the beginning it was like really kinda like you. Just get in there and do you have to do. And that's that's sort of how it all started i. i dabbled in pay per click advertising. I did customer service. Like i said i did some copywriting And then by the time i left i was the creative director which really was sort of the marketing manager of all launches and projects at valley And it was just sort of this really exciting growth and learning experience through the three and a half years that i was there some busy and i do think for a lot of people who young copywriters and even people want to be entrepreneurs in general or just freelancers in general. I really think that holistic view is probably so valuable. Because it's one thing to know how to write copy and s awesome in lucrative amazing career in both unifier par both our passions are bringing people into our our road of copywriting freelancing but To get like more holistic view of how a business operates in different things moving pieces of that makes you more valuable when you transition away on to do your own thing. And i'm guessing. That was the experience you had as well so i wanna move. Anyone spend too much time on my back. The last question. I have is in the first three and a half years there. What was maybe the biggest lesson that you learned during that time. That's such a good question. What i think for me. I think the biggest lesson was to just sort of go for it. You know. I think that we it's so easy to step back. And second guess ourselves and not not move forward with something and while i was at mine valley i mean i was so blessed to be surrounded by all these really inspiring people who like forced me to kind of level up and i remember leaving mine valley. One of the things struggled with the most was i left this environment of being around super-motivated positive encouraging people to like being by myself in like a tiny little bedroom in vancouver sleeping on an air mattress and i think what i learned and what kind of brought me through that dark time of starting my own business was to just go for it. You know and like there's times where. I wish i would have done things sooner. But you don't know until you try and you'll try things and fail and i think that that's what my belly really rewarded. It was like. Hey you're going to do something and it's not gonna work but that's okay at least you're you're doing it to have the ability and the playground to do that and it's like oh my gosh. What an amazing gift. That was back then. I didn't realize it at the time. But now it's like wow amazing and so once you do go out and start your own business in. Got on your own did you. How did you did. You have a plan. Did you have to use the clients already. Did you kind of like. How did you start. Kind of yeah i didn't have any clients. I was twenty six twenty six twenty five and just full of Iras like i'm the best. Like i feel like everyone goes through that very humbling experience. Starting their business. It's like you go up the gate like strong. And then you're like. Wow this is really freaking hard. And and yeah i had no. I had no clients. I had savings. That was sort of the good thing about living in a cheaper country and by the time he left. I was obviously taking more than eight hundred dollars a month. So i managed to have a pretty good amount of savings at aside and i i think for about six months. I just lived off the savings and and then i just started really putting the road. Networking like crazy and that. It was at a joe polish event. I love marketing back in two thousand twelve. I guess that i met. Blair gorman the founder of neurologists dot com and he became my first client is still my client and so know just goes to show that you make the right relationships in you align with people that you know that you work well with and it can be a really great lucrative kind of opportunity but that. Yeah that's how i made my first client. And that's how i i really started getting to be able to sink my teeth into copywriting. But what's interesting is. I never wanted to call myself a copywriter. I had this. Like i think it's because i learned from like the great. You know like frank kern john carlton gary helper and all of these incredible copywriters that when i left mine valley i was like. Oh no no no. Like i do copywriting. But i'm not a copywriter like it took me a long time to own that title and that's just like mad respect copywriters. I truly think that That back then. The people that i consider to be copywriters was sort of like these these grades and so when i started working with clients i was like marketing consultant. And then they would be like. Do you know anyone who can do. Copy and i was like well can but like i'm not that good and then it was like i never wanted to say i did it because i was afraid that i would let people down but it always kinda worked in my favor because you know set low expectations and then come in hot. You know. but that's sort of how i got into actually like calling myself a copywriter through practice and resists resistance to it a super interesting i. It's funny because i've struggled without too. Although i think with me it's it definitely not an ego thing for me as well were. It's like but i can do more than that like i've i've run. Businesses and i can help top demise. And you know but it's funny because every time there's like just owning that copywriter title is like super lucrative powerful under so many people who can benefit from learning copy So it does it. S actually interesting for me to hear somebody else say. They've gone through the same. Maybe for different reasons. But like so. I feel that too though like 'cause now that i have you know built businesses and done all that what people call me a copywriter. I more that governor. But but you know what i i realize like everybody is a strategist. Everybody like you know so. Many people use that term. And it's like that could mean anything. What i find is people remember things like. Oh you are a killer copywriter. And then that's what actually keeps you memorable in people's mind because you're like this gangster at this one skill and yeah of course while painted. You can't be killer copywriter if you're not a genius marketer but you know it's i totally get that it's funny all the labels in how we how we it. Yeah this is a funny too because just just had a party at her house in vegas a few weeks back and it was like just like an informal together. I know i know we'll get you. We'll get you town down south But you know like People came last week. Perry belcher excuse vegas and he was talking to you about how he kind of You know I feel like. I just don't have the motivation to write a lot of copy right now like these days blah as well. I'll make you know. Maybe it's not the best use of your time anymore anyway. And he was like look really seriously and he was i. It's like i can't really think of anything. They'll be a better use of my time than writing. Copy and i was like. Oh shit. Because he's really a copywriter again. All right that's a good reminder. When like perry who's who's always businesses and done all this stuff and then for him to just feel like no like copywriting is is my. That's my my strength right. And you're like okay. He really owns it. It was kind of cool just to see that. And he's actually. When i remember thinking this one time when he was speaking at mastermind. And he's like oh that look the sales page that i wrote any showing us sales pay. She wrote and on like that's so cool like if her it's very belter he's got a million businesses on the go but that's the one thing that he still does himself. You know because it so important and that and he's good at it and enjoys it. Obviously you know what. I mean so. Yeah it's like validation. That's right everyone. That policy harry boccia paper which was hit like everyone on the pasi but but perry and i was like god. Damn that sucks sarno. You're in vegas season in vegas. I'm sure you can. You can reach out and have those opportunities. Andy for sure. Long alex wanna but walmart but another question just because i wanted to the numerology. Which is you help. It was perfect because that's the way the story goes right wing often. Then you start working with them and he still are so. I do want to kind of get into that numerous vitale. You know the one. I'm talking about and it's magazine when i referenced it. Some other people were like the one that everybody knows. But do you. This kind of briefly describe the structure of that south for people who don't know about it and then from there. I just love to hear some of your thought process as you're creating Why you think it was so successful. I mean i mean. I can't take full credit for it because the technology behind it is like goals. And that's that's part of why i love working with with blair. So much is because he is like this innovator in this he's just like tech wizard and i just picked your hand like he lives in new zealand but i just picture him at his computer like mad. Scientists like typing on the computer you know and And he came up with this idea of of doing this personalized video sales letter and so we call it the me. So because it's all about me. The person watching the in and I think that's the coolest about it is and this is sort of my belief with copywriting arc in general is i'm so for you. Know like the super inauthentic kind of she marketing tactics. That used to work ten years ago. I am all about making copywriting marketing valuable in and of itself right now so if someone comes and reads sales page or watches might be sales letter. I want them to be like that was entertaining or that was interesting. Or at least not one negative value out of that and blair's the exact same in so with this concept of the of the structure of it is essentially you go to the site you enter in just your first name and your date of bir- and then you get a life path reading Anyone follow numerology. It's basically like astrology. But it's the science of numbers and so on the fly it holds a reading that is one hundred percent personalizing custom to you based on your life path number then after life path reading it asks for your full name and email address so after you've already given them crazy value that's when we asked for the lead and then their full name because your full name is how you calculate expression in solar Number and then it transitions to the close which is to get your full numerology. Report so What kind of insane about it. Is you think okay when you watch it. As as a as a viewer the whole thing is maybe fifteen minutes long but maybe twenty but all that had to go behind the scenes like you think there is a eleven different life path numbers eleven different solar eleven different expression numbers and then having to write the light transitionary copy that that puts the readings together seamlessly and then of course the close at the end which is more just a traditional style of esl close but it was a really fun project to work on. But it's like. I mean my you know. Google docs with like links everywhere and figuring out. Okay how are these readings. All flow together I think what the coolest thing about it to me is like not that it works well enough people love it and not that you know. It's it's making money. Those are all good things but it's just the experience that people have watching it and the comments we get who comments on the video sales letter saying holy f- balls. This is amazing. I cannot believe like how accurate this is. Or and mike that what i sort of had to study to really be able to write those readings in a powerful way like i can go out copywriters. I'm super interested in psychology. And you know there are brown and all of this these different modalities that kind of went into creating readings that really felt like a super personal experience and are they are a personal experience. It's it's not manipulation. It's actually taking the time to be able to speak to the viewer in a way that resumes. That's me was like that's copywriting crack right there. Yeah so anecdotally. I think i told you this the first time we met. But it's one of the only vsel's. I remember exactly where. i was. What i was doing. The i saw it because i was with ever. Yeah i was with laura and we were she at. The time was a grass brooklyn college. I was back and forth between vegas new york and we had a place in like williamsburg and we're having a leaving williamsburg. I don't know where we were going but we were in the car. I remember we were on the brooklyn expressway. Brooklyn queens expressway. Like courses is traffic and she was driving. And someone has said to me. And i was like this is kinda cool and i put my name in it. And she's driving. What like a. Wow this is really person wise and then like you know. I'm going through and lord looking over wash east driving in newark traffic. You know and i'm like oh my god that's actually really accurate and like i honestly believe. Esl i'll look for the first minute or two the lead right. Click away and it was like twenty minutes later at gone through the whole thing. And i'm like saying they're like should i get my life day the full report and i'm like what is happening right now But to your point it was entertainment. I mean it was so Like it was fun to do in just personalized in end. The technology is amazing too. But just like Yeah i love that was it was really cool you to to write it then probably like two two weeks obviously not like full time but probably probably like a good two weeks to sit down and write it and really figuring out the process to right because i this is so funny like you know has been partners with neurology business. I'm like kind of a pseudo numerology gist and so i know like everyone who different life path number and i'm like too so that's always the easiest for me to write to because it's me it's like okay i would. I sat down. I wrote like all the readings for a like a two. And then. And then i think okay. Who's a three in my life at i persons of three and i truly right. It's like it's like the rule number copy. One on one. Like have a customer avatar in mind so i would just think of who in my life like one of my best friends is a nine another. One of my best friends is a five. And i would just like right to them and that i find was a really helpful part of the experience and then what's cool is actually now like upgrading. It because when it was first written is pretty limiting and there wasn't like it was very like sis gender. You know men with women when we talk about the relationship readings and now we're taking it like whole like next level of making it even more inclusive which means more readings in school. And i'm proud to be part of that as of like. Let's make sure we're not alienating anybody in this marketing and making sure it's a really powerful experience for everybody watching and so it's just i mean kudos to blair because so many business owners would be like now. That sounds like too much work. It's too much money when literally we can just write a bs. Al and a voice over and like click next on the slides. While i read it like shooting in the head now so boring so kudos to blair that he really truly is like no no. We're gonna make this epic and that's exactly the word he would use and to be able to work on something like that and bring up into. Life is so exciting. The super exciting and awesome it. Yes awesome you're you're doing that Pusher lauryn arbutus and then our daughter is pusher one. I think one is because we're basically like creative. We also business savvy and like their daughter was like super creative. Like doesn't really care about money you've has it would give it away like babol and i'm like that's great and i'm like oh. Crap mentally put a trust fund that you can't touch issues a one like it's all about number whatever team. She's a one. Was it like quickstart riot like they like. Just it's all ideas and inspiration in go whereas twos are lot more kind of collaborative a little bit more They work really well in partnership. I mean it's a number two right so it's it's interesting. What maybe we'll do a numerology wanted to see how many copywriters like you know because it's interesting that you're to laura's a to to you and i wonder how many other people who are kind of especially the cubs. Also entrepreneurs are so huge for two. 'cause it's all about not just your experience but it's all about that partnership and so really putting yourself in other people's shoes so maybe would be so curious to see to some people putting the challenge. They are so sam novak said and he just says he thinks he's too said she's a five atom nassar's the we've got some sixty nine. Scott moses one. Yeah so far. it's also fun. How many were actually know right. Because you think numerology like it's kind of like you know just like really new agey but so you just talk to like all kinds of from you know people from like teenager. Select super burly on motorcycles Five bro and you're like oh you know what i mean like this gonna find how many people actually like do. Enjoy like really. It's like a strategy right. Like i'm a leo and i'll tell everybody that i'm a leo because i'm a leo but numerology i think is less known but it's it's kinda cool everyone's curious to know about themselves again like another copywriting what makes neurology so powerful is. It's like you're literally going through a video sales letter that's talking all about you. How can i love that. So that's right and you get something you rewarded you get you get your number. How exciting betting. So we'll get to questions now. Of course they got seen. Qna people people stepped up. But before we get to that so beyond your work neurologist dot com neurology come on discovered the first time perfect You know you're doing a lot of this stuff like this flight club. There's copy posse. You're teaching just kinda. Have you run me through like a typical week these days. What is that we look like. What are you What are you doing and then why are you doing those things right. Yeah i mean to. Maybe i'll start with the why because one thing that i think is so important to not autumn entrepreneurs talk about this is the important the the importance of having a value aligned. Business and i was a copy writer. Freelance copywriter consultant from two thousand. Eleven to two thousand nineteen. That is all i did. And i freaking loved it because my biggest value at the time was freedom so i love that. I didn't have my face on the internet. I love that nobody knew who i was. I love the great content regularly. And that i had a handful of like really awesome clients. Who paid me really well. And i would go spend every summer in italy right like that's the dream and then sometime around like two thousand eighteen. I was like okay and people would say to me to run this mastermind. So i'm on stage a lot and i'd speak at events in staff. Never one would be like. Why are you so behind the scenes and businesses. And and that was me. I was like behind the scene. Mcgee and i didn't ever really do anything to put myself out there and then in two thousand eighteen i was like you know what i feel like. I have a lot to say about copy. Writing and i feel like women's voices aren't heard in this space and i've been doing this for almost a decade now so i think something to say about it and i started my youtube channel and to be honest i didn't start it with this like idea that i was going to scale this whole other. Part of my business in launch programs do for me. It was like if if if people if anyone watches my video and finds that automate like i'll be happy and you know it took me like everyone's always like wow. You grew so fast and in such like me she know. And and that's true if you like just cut off the first six months. It took me six months to get two thousand subscribers. But i wasn't doing it for like the you know the as a direct response marketer to be like i wanna scale this like traffic funnel in whatever it was. It was purely a personal. I want to put myself out there. And i was frigging terrified to do it like i think. A lot of copywriters can relate to bass like we're drawn to copywriting because you can be behind the scenes in a so. It's so crazy. How many of my followers are introverts. And i am too. I'm an outgoing introvert. Say and so it was really scary for me to like put myself out there on the internet to be judged and to have people be like stupid bitch. She's talking about you know and that's just what happens when you put yourself out there on the internet but that is what started this whole journey into the copy posse and realizing that so many people out there are looking to get into copywriting or looking at a copy for their own business. And and yeah. That's sort of that sort of that. And so it's been a natural progression with Staling my team on the agency side. So that i can still serve clients because i'm a big believer in being an integrity and teaching copywriting to still be actually doing and so scaling my team on the agency side so that i can still provide copywriting services also building a team on sort of the b. two c. side. If you will to me manage my personal brad and the copy posse in. So i would say my my day is probably split. Fifty fifty between both sides of my business and getting obviously the support to help with all of that. Do you have any. Are you do look habits. Do you wake up at a certain time consistently and sort of spend a certain windows of the day where you do more deep work or do you have any kind of routines or habits or things like that. So i'm pretty like pretty religiously wake up around six o'clock every morning i'm i'm a morning person like i'm like the other night. I was dead at eight thirty. And i texted my friends and my i'm in bed l. out meteo like But i i tend to wake up at six. I try to work out monday. Wednesday friday and then my mornings as much as possible. I devote to any creative work that i have to do. So whether it be preparing video scripts for youtube client copy reviewing copy anything that really requires me to be in that creative space and then i try to keep my afternoons. Two calls admin work emails like dinking around social media. That sort of stuff. Because i'm you know my my creative energies kind of fried. But i can like go through the motions and get shit done. So that's that's how i. That's how i tend to break up my day screws funny. It's it's I feel like we're secretly twins because they've non we both twos in almost both lawyers. But yeah i'm pretty much the exact same way. I'm curious this is a personal question. And then we'll parcels a selfish question and never going to go into qna's but for creating content like when you're doing your youtube videos because i'm obviously creating more content myself i'm One thing. i'm wrestling with his desire. Does that fit better in the morning because them for me. It's like the creative deep right. Copy that kind of stuff is in the mornings. And then i'm going after noon as i can. Shoot a video but fatigued or frazzled. Or whatever right at one o'clock that afternoon dip matures. Do you generally can cashew videos in create content. I do it in the afternoons. I do 'cause for me and last time doing an off the cuff style video. Where i really do need my brain functioning than Then i'll probably try to record in the morning when i'm fresher but if i'm just reading a script then it's like i'm just reading the script just a robot Not really but yeah. I wanna help with my scripts too. So i have an amazing team. That what they do is. I'm really good. Like if i could write copy verbally all day long will and so. I have a call with my team and she girl my teammates. You'll interview me on topic. And i'll just kind of like brain like bringing down and say okay. Here's here the five things. That i think i'd wanna talk about the points. Each one and then she kind of finances it into a loose script and then i go through and kind of finalize it s probably gonna pregnancy wiped out from you. Yeah right yeah honestly. Because if if i had to if i if it was up to myself i would literally do at the morning of of having record and then therefore i would not have a u. channel. So it's way easier to have someone who's like. Hey you need a video. I'm gonna. Let's have a call. So i can interview on the next four topics then and then it helps me stay ahead. My dogs chewing on something that she shouldn't be one second from. Yeah as you as you do. Dog mom duties andy. We're gonna turn it over to you know. Qna's from a our audience here. But because you are co host. Andy you get the The privilege of of asking the questions you want to ask or cuban as afrita to ask I dislike said. Hey like this is the exact plus. I need to talk to you. Right now is awesome. I'm from vancouver's yeah yeah here now. I'm in vegas right now. So i go over the border to the austin event like no pro bono problems like go into like his second interrogation but managed to get over an average text abuse. Like how the fuck did you get into quarantine coming back. That's a real bitch. Yeah not gonna come back. I've decided i'm just going to travel on america. It's ties into you. Go for it. Yeah but yeah the question. I guess i started my youtube. Channel launched People have been following me. I think i got like fifty subscribers now And i posted on my first video. I've got like ten video ideas currently just finishing up more on now I kind of get an idea if he wanted. She's it's basically just entrepreneurs heroes creatives unite can show them one getting up to kind of has like secondary says of like day sayings. Obviously i mean the men's dictating help weld and then health and fitness. Because i've got some kind of contrarian like athletic perspectives on that as well But yeah. I guess like what's the best way to grow the channel. Assuming it out. Yeah i mean. It's pretty much the standard question. You know nothing. Yeah i think the most important thing is. And i think in retrospect looking back At how my channel. And what i did is it's easier to answer this than than if i was just starting but tater knoll. She's got like this shoe. It's not for you but the first thing it's like it again it's like going back to the rules of marketing right. It's like no you're speaking to. It sounds it sounds to me like you have a lot of topics. Wanna talk about which is fine but then have like a cohesive hook that hooks them all together so that people are like you know you watch the guy who does this. It's like when you're writing copy and everyone's always like how do you need a mike. Welcome a niche your audience. And you're not to need the benefit that you deliver than havoc a really unique technology or mechanism or something because there needs to be a to be a hook right and so if you wanna talk with all those different things get really clear on who exactly you're talking to. Maybe it is sort of like the like the young man digital nomad. Or what have you and so you have a really. You know strong audience. And of course you'll you'll attract people who aren't those people but if you if you're speaking to them than they're gonna find you they're going to refer you in they're going to keep coming back for more and then and then you have like a stick. I mean if you're the guy who's traveling around america make that make that the parts part of your hook that like you're on like this mission to uncover the secrets of whatever like just you know make it something that's unique and different memorable and then the biggest super bowl i can give with. Youtube is like fuck seo. Sorry i don't know if i can swear on your what i mean by. That is yes. It's important but like i was so down the seo train with my videos and it's important to getting Hopping up wondering what's going on You don't even want to see what my office looks right. Now she destroyed a piece of paper But People are always like so gung ho the seo and that's important to me to getting when you have just like a few hundred subscribers in in the only way that you can get more. People is through that search traffic on youtube. But make sure your the copywriting right. Make sure your topics sound exciting. I'll give apple. I was all down the the Seo train and i almost gave up. Because i there was no passionate anymore. Because i'm like oh customer. Avatar exercise is a key word. Okay i have to do a video on customer exercise so i like named my video like customer. Avatar exercise video was like really good. Like i was talking about like jane. Schwartz's like levels of market sophistication in like the content with gray. And i was like no. But i need a keyword in there and then i ran into a friend of mine. Sarah chris who you probably know seven at Mimosa mastermind and she's like no. Don't worry about it. Just make it sound more exciting and i changed the title that video to something like the number one reason why you suck it selling which was obviously like you don't know who you're speaking to aka customer avatar and like even see graph on youtube. It's like barring. Nobody likes it and there was a few people are liking this all of us. So use your copywriter raid. You know like a good hooks. I or come up with a topic and then come up with like how do i make. That sounds sexy. And like what's the hook then out the content so that yes. You're still on the topic but you're satisfying the hook. 'cause obviously you wanna make sure you're getting people what they came for definitely yet i says no i mean you know a the the big thing is like i'm on i'm oxygen musician. Looking for kind of like minded people like people like me to collaborate music with an. I guess like the big kind of like valium giving his like a go to my description. Hey like interested in creating a life with more freedom flowing passions and sharing. He'd be love. This could be used kind. The thanks freedom passions. Shaggy people that you're excited about it's all based around that one thing you could do andy in obviously. Maybe you don't like this idea at all. But as to what what matt murphy the fire thing in the cia here but basically the idea of as you go different places if you looked at you know bands that are from those different cities or the kind of called them home and maybe pick one of their songs. That's like a really like really successful song and kind of talk about why right. what were they saying. It was the messaging. How are they speaking to people to connect with people sort of you're talking about like and you also mentioned the the you know the front person whoever singer-songwriter right. And how did they embody the values of freedom them a catholic but of a biographical components. You're sharing information about that. Which is interesting. Then you're talking about the messaging from the song you're breaking down explicatives at and you can take all of that back to d- response copy and how you can apply that to response copy lake. That could really cool. Yeah that's exactly where my head's up and also just taking a look like why some musicians like everyone is like super crazy and everyone knows who they are and then some musicians will like actually better than those musicians. Like for instance you got tommy lee Who's like a very average drama. But everyone knows who he is and he's super cool like was like and then you get guys in this like kind of nutty drama wild well they basically just followed by lots of other dramas. No one knows who they are. They've got a chart for sure like really technically skilled. But it's like you look at them and it's like there's no motion there is just like they just really good the no coup. So it's like kinda breaking that down telling him like you said coffee rising and unite like even like copywriting steph. you've got the first line of copy needs to like really grab attention like it's going to be interesting yet. Light plus three seconds of your song. If it's interesting line people are just gonna skip so just like the parallels between like some storytelling. And i really look. I think john commented sounds like what we're doing did with local food like i think what's cool about what emptied anthony bourdain did was that like he would feature the city so strongly that it would like evoke that sense of pride and the people that live there and then the people who didn't live there were like i hope he comes to my city so you like kind of feature the city in a way. That's really unique as well awesome. Cool cool aldo. Subscribe like all follow us. Get some swipe will leroy for le. Let's get this party. Started guys so just from the top down. Netanyahu's through i mean. Obviously there's a question that is randomly. just okay. you don't ask it. But yeah i sure. Do me like why you're shots from us. Come on this so good looking but yeah. I do know that. I am a new copyrights. This is from whitney the gist of it. And then go to answer live so when he can come on and she can the question. The radio show format clawing. Yeah yeah okay This is good. Say i'm copyrights and i've noticed that being female puts you in a minority. Do you have any advice. The fema copywriters trying to make a name in what has been code. A boys club. Let me Dakota you'd have coast capabilities already. Andy i live say is that i think actually go into chat honestly because usual. Does she should go into chat. Find whitney and then let her allowed to talk. But it's alphabetical is good news. I'm gonna do it. I found her a lot of talk. Okay okay what's up. When he hearing yes. Can you hear me all right. So i am a brand new copywriter. I've actually worked with one. You some of you may be familiar with her. Name is laura. Dorte work her company But now i'm really branching out and i've noticed a lot of the groups i'm in a lot of what i'm learning is heavily male so i was just wondering as a female copywriter. If you have any advice to sort of help me find my way within this Quote unquote boys club. Yeah i love that. By the way congrats on being a little baby new copywriter. I feel you. I mean and like to be honest. That was one of the things that inspired me to start my youtube channel type copywriting into youtube and i was like dude dude dude dude dude and i. I love a lot of them. I know a lot of them. I think the first thing is like like just kind of removed from your belief system. That like it yes. There is more meta in the industry but my experience in fact this is what i find really interesting. Is that a lot of the best copywriters. I know who are behind the scenes. Who aren't out there. you know. Teaching copywriting are women. And so i think a lot of business owners actually know that And that there. I mean there's so many incredible female copywriters that you just don't know about because they're just like you know they're just behind the scenes and that was me and i say that because that was me for like however many years so i would say you know. Just just keep moving forward. Put your put yourself out there. I truly believe that you know smart. Business owners you actually want as clients aren't going to give a damn if you're a man or a woman. They're going to care about the results. I think too like. Naturally you'll find that certain niche is will have more female copywriters like personal development for example but I would just say you know yes. There's more men in the industry. However there are so many entrepreneurs they're men and women who would have we hire just whoever could mail it the best in the so keep. Just keep on keeping on and just be confident in what you know you can do really well. When does it help. yeah. I think it's a good point to look at. Maybe they're just more comfortable behind the scenes and not branding themselves as much. So it's nice to hear what you alison have. Just another person that i can follow. That is a closer resemblance to my own growth path. So thinking that puts you ahead to like if you are wanting to really brand yourself and step out there is that is that gives you an edge because there are a lot of times where like for example A friend of mine owns a really big women's shape wear company and he contacted necas. He was looking for female coffee writers. Because you know not saying men don't know what it's like where shape wear mostly like something. I don't think you know and so you know it depends on. What is your niche. What needs to write in Will right now. I do a lot of Skin care cosmetics. Just based on my working with laura. But i'm really looking to branch out and see what works really well for me. I'm very like mindset. And things like that so i'd like to do some work on that end but right untangling. Yeah absolutely. i get that. I totally get that. I guess it's more what kind of which which direction you wanna have it. And i think. I think you know being female gives you an edge in certain niches right like skin care. You know not saying that. No carol baskin. they do. But you know when you look at the predominant market of. Who's buying skin care products. So i would say you know. Don't don't have that as a belief in your head that it's a reason why you can't move forward like just keep going and and stay in your lane and do it well and you know you'll you'll get there for sure you awesome cool next question. What nian thinks awesome. Answer alex yeah. I do agree. I one thing it's funny to lose some weight. Loss offers Like on click. Bank awhile back and you see like i was always the same story of like this guy whose wife is like overweight and they find the magical like weight loss or whatever but The cop the even the language arabic when my wife felt fell pregnant. And it's like. I'm like i don't think women really talk about like for you. You you you fall sick right. You don't like fall pregnant. And i was like you know like okay like this is for sure written by a dude in like no foul. Yeah fell pregnant There's things like that right to your point for women copiers out there. I think stressing like hey. I really understand this niche. Because like you know. It's personal to me like i'm going through but Tomorrow out of that. But i agree. I mean i'm thinking. Marcel marceau alison are kind of gas present on our copy. Sorry to recall on on. Tuesday is just crushing. It so good carleen you is. There are so many amazing woman. Copiers out there in I'm happy to see more people taking a leadership role and and sort of you know kind of i think inspiring whole generation of women. So it's really cool. What you're doing alex. Yeah that's my goal so hopefully. Hopefully that's happening. yeah. I think it is absolutely so Coal india who'd we Could we have next mice. Yes so this one. I think carnivore ordering onset but it says while your daily routines to keep your skill levels and growing alex who's this from and then let's go on adam nassau saying yet the answer live and then they'll have to actually click on. Yeah if you going to like the participants. Like i can do right now. But i see my. I'm clicking. allowed to talk in appears was up. Seven handy thanks a lot of awesome so yeah thanks for for for the red continental of it so far so so which question out. Because i'm not sure which one i'm and just ask whichever ones coming to you so what i would love to know is like i really love copywriting and right since i'm six and i have always buried that because there was so much things going on and copywriting alta from you steffan like i have to. Rmc also and always had it on the back burner because it was foot with closing opportunities and leadership at now recently. The first ever road did it. Like on a side. Made like fifty k. In three days like the triggered something in me and so i decided to go full blown. Copyright i said okay what am quitting every closing acquitting armato drops quitting notice business which i did since years now and i want to go through a copywriter. So what would be your advice to keep up this momentum because it was a strong emotional trigger that got me. Is there anything that. I might overlook something that could be like an emotional backlash or for example. What i did to prevent like to to prepare. I opened a fiber count just to get some stuff in. I have to clients already three by now. I got one client during the session. Thank you so. I just wanna make sure that i have everything in mind that i don't forget anything i wanna make like. What do i not see. What don't i know. Okay cares what i'll tell you. I mean first of all your first webinar. You ever copywriter. Makes fifty three days like kudos. Good job there will be times where that doesn't happen and don't let that derail you because you know. We all have our wins. You likes to talk about our wins all the time however there are still times where i write copy. That just doesn't really work. And i think about something you have to remember. Copywriting is after all kind of an art form yes. It's like science based on a lot of ways but you're there will be times. He writes something that you are so emotionally attached to you. And you're like this is the best things that fifty k webinars and it might not work so just you know stay focused on your end goal which ultimately is learning and improving and taking every single win m failure as like a great learning lesson to get better and to and just to keep going. Because you're starting on this high and like any business there. There's gonna be some lows so stay focused on like kind of that end goal of that you know that freedom in that passion that you have to get through those moments awesome. Thank you so much. I look definitely keep that in mind. You're welcome stephanie. Have anything to add on to add. Is that atoms. Energy is incredible chat. Just like feeling happy. You just it comes through. So don't lose that adam. Because i think honesty people were all just attracted to people who have energy make us feel good who make us feel happy and excited just hearing you talk like makes me like i really like adam right and i don't even know you right in syria however only beholding the buddy but they believe it. I keep that many of you really well in your career as a as a copywriter as well. Yeah i think i really love is like just to that. Point is like in any business wanna work with who they feel great about and so many times like i get messages from people that like people want me to hire them or people are like. They're like so desperate to get those clients that they lose their entire personality in. It's just it's like an immediate like push away. And i love that. You're just focusing on like the passionate and like your question wasn't like how do i get more clients because it's so hard to answ- it's like the so hard to answer that like how you get more clients by being who you are and you know continuing to kind of push through and do it because you love it and it's obviously working well for you the fact that you just got your client like on this call and that's amazing cancelled. Thanks nice so next up. We have a scope mills. Bring energy bill. We're bring the energy after that letdown excite. Hey i was going. Bring my dogs on but right. Now they're sleeping and my cameras off so I can't rely on my dogs to bring the energy to so yeah i mean. I didn't really get to decide up. Scott why don't you just go and tell us what's your what's your question. Yeah so obviously. Research is always important and essential in the writing process. And i always struggle just like doing enough versus doing too much because it can. It can definitely be a rabbit hole that slows everything down. So i was curious kind. What your research process looks like. How do you kind of know when you've done enough. Yeah so just research processes like yes may reach my research. Project process is like a lot of. It's a lot of googling. By when i what i'm really looking for is when i'm writing for an offer i looked to see what else have out there and what is great about it. And what sucks about it. Because i think what a lot of people forget to do in writing copy in general is really hammering. Home the the. Us p like you can talk all day about how great something is but if there's something out there that does the exact same thing and it's cheaper different. Whatever it's hard to really make yourself sound like the best. So i'll do a lot of research on sunday the competitors and what's gray and what's great about them. Of course. I never call that out in my copy but you can say things like you know. There's not a lot of resources out there that do this and you can pretty confidently know that you're solving a a unique problem. And so i do a lot of that. Sort of just googling for competition and then i'll also do one of my favorite like research hacks than in a lot of people know this but i feel like a lot of every time i say at a lot of people. Don't i go look at what. What well-known kind of competitor brands are doing in their facebook ad library. So if you guys don't know you can go to any fan page. Go to the library and see the last ninety days of active ads and for me. I mean obviously was running. Ads doesn't necessarily mean there doesn't necessarily mean they're killing it by any means but i'm always curious to see the evolution of their ads because if they have multiple ads that they keep recreating. It's because it's working. And i'll go look like what is the hook that they're using there because obviously it's working if they keep recreating rerunning this ad. So i'm like big on the like facebook ad library sleeping. yes scott. does that help you. Yeah i think. That's i think that's great. I think also just kind of like internally. When do you kind of know you. You've got enough i. That's i mean. It's so subjective but normally it'll come to me as i'm writing the copy where like hit a stopping point and be like shit. There's like something year that i need. That's really gonna help me build up this argument whether it's authority whether it's science whether it's something that's going to make this point stronger and so i i tend to sort of research to the point of having enough to start with like a great hook in like a lead-in and then as i'm writing. Sometimes i'll even in like my rough draft will be like to do and then i'll be writing the copy and then i'll write find interesting stat that prove i'll keep writing. Then i go back. And like fill in the gaps. That makes sense and steph and i would love to hear your thoughts on that as well. Yes for sure so and discussing I do with rb see the reason to have that methodology to try to make it so that once you start writing you don't have to like stop and go look for more stuff But that being said like i do you know it's all fluid process so to your point. There are times. Where if i am especially if i really have a lot of it mapped out in my head and i've got great big idea and i've got a good killer won't let like missing information necessarily call me back. I do the same thing. Where all highlighted yellow and be like you come back at fascination about this or like your ad sas all. I will do the same thing in scott. Maybe something. you could try as well where you know once you feel like you've spent however much time on research that you're To do more research. I feel good about it like you'll move on in the process in the nausea writing. If you feel something's week or missing you can always go back and find some kind of Your specific research to like to bolster your argument and then researching like the pain points for me. I don't think it takes that like. Yeah i want to uncover like the stuff for like an hour or two of going like i go through forms a lot right and also one star and five star reviews and a lot of times. I'm forums the after going through. Forty pages threatened a forum about like the problem was like you've pretty much have everything right. It's like there's usually not like. I do to go deep because there are random. Things can come out but like y- once i see the same thing again again like yeah. They're saying it in different ways in. That's kind of interesting but at a certain point you're like all right saying the same thing over and over again that's for me. I know like okay. I'm gonna stop good on pain points. You let me move on to like the next part of the process. Kind of how i approach it and never let never let that like. Oh my god. Do i have enough that mentality to stop you from just starting to write 'cause sometimes like you'll notice when you just start slowing down and when you start seeing a lot of repetitive and redundant staff that you've already kind of taken in at that point it's like just start writing. Yeah exactly yeah once once you have you have that in. So yeah for sure. Scott accent absolutely. That's actually. Somebody just drove up there slobbering all over our visitor at the moment yeah. I actually did that today. Just put it in brackets. Come back to this because Enough at the moment to dive into it. But yeah i appreciate both your stephan and burns awesome all right. Thanks scott coop. Hey let's keep whiskey on. We got who's trainer roland. So yeah you worry. has a question about how to break ins a mind valley. Because that's the number one kind. He wants to work with gregg. A are you doing. but i've been arching. Alex is a youtube videos for last few weeks. So i was really happy to be here. but my belly been on top of my list for a while now. That's that's the kind of area wanna write-in but particularly mind belly taking some courses. I noticed they don't have good email. Follow up sequences. And just. But i wouldn't even know where to start in terms of contacting them as well alex. Maybe she's perfect. Perfect person to ask Okay i'll give you a tip gregory because my top copywriter used right at mine valley and i asked her because i feel like how i got there. It was kind of like this. Fluky fluke like i was twenty two year old. Who had it wasn't like now where everyone knows my valley right nothing. I didn't get get the job of my own merit. But you know what i mean. So my current top copywriter ad copywriters. She actually re rose one of mine valley sales pages without being paid for it. And i know there's like debate around. Like oh i value my time so i do it for free but like if i'm valleys at the top of your list like do whatever it takes. Don't worry about an email address. You could probably pick anything valley dot com and it's gonna get somebody right like i. I would focus on how you can add value and if you notice that they don't have to follow up sequences right a downfall of sequence and then send it to every single mine valley address you can think of in someone's going to see it and add just lead with value and say i love to do this for more of your offers. You know that. That's personally what i would do. I see a couple of people saying oh hundred dot. Io is amazing for finding emails. I have never heard of that. But that's really cool but rather than focus on like all the obstacle is not knowing how to get in contact like. What are you going to like. You know like the obstacle actually should be like how can i had so much value that like. They're just like holy. Who's gregory dude. Why are we have not heard of him before. We need to get in contact with him to do this for all of our authors okay. That's advice all. It really needed to locate him ask. That's what you needed. i needed. Thank you but i i love it. I think you know. I love that. You're aiming high and it's like go for it and just this related advice even like go to lincoln find people who were from bali premium messages them and send them like. Hey here's a link every rhode something right like you're some copy. Check it out. Like it's gonna inbox if you do the premium like sponsored message thing and like do like three or four people five people harmony right and if it's good like they're probably gonna respond to it so Just as a specific tactical thing i. I've never used hunter either. But a bunch of people have said a single amazing So either way if you can do direct email awesome but if you can't find direct email addresses for some reason than houston but yeah the copywriters. Because they're all gonna realize who is. Competition dow abby rattler off a. Thank you so much. I heard about a client gang strategy. If you wanna show we move on either way well if it's quickly i do want get like twenty three more questions than the real quick. I think it's like a dan kennedy one web basically. He got together lows of gifts for the positive that you wanted to watch for. Even guess that dogs i lo- treats for dogs and stuff for the family and stuff of that. Put it in a box and put like printed out email swipes for them to use like saying that they want to work with them and how much they appreciate them like a big heartfelt letter and then like its parent is pretty easy to get someone's address so bottom of everybody's emails they're sending email thing right and then you just send them that and it's like that's gonna worry log way alexander guest log and i'm not promising to try to anyway. We'll we'll keep the those good point. Yeah even your roof on that even jimi parent when he he sent me a copy of the Orrin cloths book that she was working with that guy for awhile. But he's included. Chris fifty dollar bill in it and this is before i knew at all and i immediately like i mean sounds like money. I'm not saying to descend people money. But i'm just even that you think money's like tacky go fuck like this is great like evolvement. Jimmy guys like a really jimmy parent a lot and then a month later. He's at my office together and we're talking. We're good friends. But then jimmy graham his own right now that like. I don't know why he did it. Obviously but like. I was super memorable. I'm like i'm never gonna you know like i'm always going to think about that when i think of him. Because like even laura have a date night on jimmy. Well baby yeah. I was on fixed. Basically the next questions regarding by. You hasn't been blessed by ben. Sim what are your best hacks for writing heading. Dr spells. Coffee without coming on too strong force leaving nice. Was ben high band eight exciting. Doing well doing well. So yeah i really wanted to ask this question because this is one of those things where i think a lot of us really love my love it because they are so good at saw selling so i'm very curious to know like. How did you deliberately practice this skill. Yeah i mean so okay. That's a really good question. And i think the simplest way to answer that is so often i see copy. That goes right from problem to product. It's like Hey you're overweight by my products. Hey you have wrinkles by my product. Hey whatever it is right and that's when people like relied just like the tactics by products and wait. Hold up you'll get these bonuses. And i'm gonna slash the price in this like all of this stuff right but i actually teach something called the wheel of persuasion and it's six ps and to me. It's like if you do this right. You get to the point of introducing the products in people. Want it so bad that like all you have to say it was like. Oh and by the way. I have this the way to make this easier for you. If you're interested you can check it out right and then of course you can still use some of the marketing tactics that that cell and at work. But it's not like you're making it only about that which is why turns people off and so the wheel of persuasion. Goes like this problem so you identify the problem. I then it's pain right to speak to the pain empathize. Like make people believe that you can truly help them that you understand what they're going through your building reporter creating trust right then after you introduce the pain you introduced the prescription or the solution which is product agnostic. You're not saying owned by by the way by my product. You're saying the solution to help you get over. This problem is xyz which could be like meditation. It could be like. I'm thinking mine valley right. It could be like whatever this this technique or practice reminds that is get people to actually believe that that is what they need. Then you pivot and position your product ask the faster easier. Better simpler way to get that solution and so for me. I think the biggest thing in the biggest law may cause they just forget that whole indoctrination part and they go right to like selling the product and then they wonder why their copy seems kind of like turning people off. And it's just like going through a checklist of like. I need scarcity. I need to slash the prize. Need to be like are not gonna charge five thousand dollars or four thousand dollars or three thousand dollars like is still do that shit. But it's like getting them to the point where they know like entrusting first and then presenting solution that they actually believe can help them before. You then Reginald only counted for ps problem pain prescription hit positioning products. I guess not leaves you a youtube video but it's kind of what what gets people to be like. Okay it's like creating believability. Nala people talk about like believability and copy like the number one reason why people don't buy is like they just don't believe you that they don't believe that you can help them. They don't believe that your product is the solution they need and so it's getting them there and then once you layer on all of the leg very simple conversion triggers all the stuff that people like salivate over which is actually just such a tiny part of copywriting then then you kind of have in years to offer that answer your question hopefully help then yes most definitely i would love to know your opinion as well stefan sure i mean i think alex it i i just think committing setting of people want to have their try to always speak to somebody's heart i in their mind second right so which is why i like making an emotional connection with my prospect in my copy and then again that you don't need to make outlandish or sleazy claims to do that you can tell your own personal story of struggle and ask them if they can relate to that but really it's building this authentic emotional connection they connected to you You're more likely to want to buy from you. What what to alex's point. What happens is some writers will be good at that. They pivot and transition so fast to the product for the like you know china story. And that's why i created and you're like what you know what i mean so i think like nobody likes to be pitched ever maybe hardcore salespeople like like i consider myself a sales guy too right. I think we're really to salesman. So i do appreciate when a good salesman assigned to me. But it's because they're not being blunt in like sort of like trying to beat me over the head with something but they're they're taking me on this journey and then it's almost like seduction right. It's like take me on this journey. I know i'm being seduced. But i'm okay with it. Because i like was like we're where it's going. It's kind of Unknown exciting You know adventurous. And i think applying the same principles sit to your copy as well And then lost about the mechanism of the problem. The solution which goes back to like an education component. But it's really helping them understand the k. This is a real reason why you have struggled to get the outcome that you want to get you know up until now writes even told xyz and all those things can play a part. But there's one thing that you haven't been told one missing piece and once you understand that that's the real root of the problem. The solution becomes very logical and and usually again talent. Point is nostra. I you're like so this is the problem than the solution. But you can't just go by the sushi on amazon or like you know just put album box like instead like it's more intricate than that had to create the best way the solution to you so you i labor over that worked hard at it and you know at finally. I'm really proud to introduce you to product right. Product is like the best of its class for providing the solution. Here's what you get. Imagine you know life with it. Like i'm can tell you from my heart of hearts that this is like the best. I really believe this. Change your life and so just kind of going through that hole like that whole journey you have just taking more and Longer copy 'cause they'd rather take more time because they're connected they don't you know they don't mind but you can do the same thing if a facebook ad or anything like that too but like if we're talking about on a landing page i'd rather take more time to really build a relationship and then kinda like lead them on a logical journey that ends up at your product and then for them. It's like oh it makes sense. Why would i not try out at this point. It's like you're selling. It's so much easier to sell the solution and get them to believe the solution and then when you introduce your product you're like oh and i am not why created this which is just a really faster easier better simpler whatever. The word is solution or sorry way to get that solutions like you're putting most of your firepower into like Inside building the report in the relationship and selling the solution. And then you just kinda like coming back with like a easier way to get there and that's when they're like. Oh my god thank you now. I don't have to go search for this because this guy's donald hard work for me and he's made it super easy inherited by just have to quick with one button by. Wow this is great. Exactly cool and good. Yes so good so good. Thank you so much stephan. Alex our pleasure or let's keep brockman. We got about ten minutes left. I wanna get as many questions as we can but a broken. So luckily actually with a neuro Numerology a climb right now and he's wondering how to sound not sam we we will And because specific benefits choose on. How do you have any tips on the russian. He should take to make. I'm deeply familiar with the word. Wu stiffen handy so Just to era of connotation disclosed new moral decline recently. So the thing that. I'm struggling with this. You know how to make it. Less like safi are less who in choosing which benefit focus on that so many different benefits to navarre gillette improving relationships Fighting on what career when working. So i'm i'm visiting be like lost on which beneficial for this on. That's the problem with personal development right like personal development like you could argue that anything personal development will make everything better because when you have more self enlightenment when you're on this path of self discovery when like like you can have your life is just better. Obviously that's like a really weak benefit right so My first question would be really identified. Who the audience is like are they numerology fanatics who know all about numerology. And now they're looking to like improve the use of this modality. In their life are they like complete newbies who have never heard of numerology and they're just like deeply interested in like learning their life path number. You know because the thing that i have found is getting really aware on it on your customers. Obviously level of awareness is so important but with numerology. You're either talking to people who are like fully bought in and now they just want to know how to use it to improve their life or you're talking to skeptics. Who are like okay. I'll like find out my life pat number. But i'm not going to spend eighteen dollars or whatever on a report and so it's really figuring out who who you are speaking to you so when i'm reading copy in the neurology space When it's too cold lead. There's a lot of that talk like. Hey this is actually like a four thousand year old siam in. It's like super interesting and that kind of parallels to astrology astrology is something a lot of people like baden too so i kind of lending authority from from the strategy space and say look. This is the ancient story of numerology where it was an weird numbers in grids. Were found on the back of tortoiseshell on this like bank of a river in china use a lot of mystery and intrigued draw people in and then i overcome the skepticism of like. I know it might seem crazy. Numbers around us all the time we see numbers popping up literally all the time. You see. Eleven eleven everywhere. Have you ever wondered. Why like really speaking out like math kind of audience. You're speaking to people who are like coaches and the more the cultural creatives as we call them. That's from my book. I think it's called the culture code the more enlightened like i'm looking to just add this modality into my life then you can speak a little bit more to like. Hey use this as another practice in your daily life. Here's how it's a bit more of that like you know aspirational Just betterman whereas the new people are like the numbers will tell you what career choices you have to make to code your telephone number. And it'll tell you like anything you know about. A person you know is a little bit more about like intrigue and specific benefits whereas if you're speaking to someone who's more of like a coach or create over someone who already does numerology readings. You're obviously going to speak to them in a very different way. And if you're speaking on a general level you can still share right. 'cause numerology is a unique mechanism approach. That like you don't only wanna ride. Sales paid talking about relationships or career. You can have a broader benefit spectrum because numerology is like specific modality so. I think that that's fine. But it also creates an opportunity to future offers. That are more specific like the numerology career dakota whatever you know something like that. Yeah this is claiming. They like a web of funnel drink to bingles outdo the registration pigeons known as the eds. So that's one of the things. I'm trying to look on. What's the main hook of the webinar. Like what you learn on the webinar. So it's about achieving cherokee in having the doj in your life so it's like quench attorney right it's about is it about two coating your own numbers or decoding like the yearly numbers or because there's like there's different types of numerology right through the forecasting which is like. Oh we're in a six universal month in november in case anyone cares that's the number of love and harmony which is great because you can use a little bit of that. I think great app but then you know like your personal numbers will be different. And so i would just get really clear on like asking your client like okay. What is about. It's about like forecasting in predictions. Or is this about like your own personal numerology and then the hook is easy. It's either learn more about yourself or cure some predictions for the your head strong. It's about modem but snow newmar g based on just did a perfect. So it's like here's how you here's how you get to intimately know yourself similar. Hooked why someone wants to know. There's odiaun go read a lot of astrology. Copy that'll give you pretty direction. I think thank you so much for the thanks liberty andy. Sonar going up against time here. I wanna get to john. Kim's because which was the next one anyway but because he asked about somebody elements of design. Because i agree. That's one thing even bring up. Alex like you're going back to your copy policy site. It was your personal one like every time. Your design is just so on point and so john let you saying trying to steal your thunder but john. I has two questions right one about kind of your your video about a writer's block how you apply that to writing sales letters alex than than he also says that you know talk about the design. Graphic design important. An porn is copy so Jonathan you want to add before. I let alex hop in there. Yeah i think you first of all. Hi alex hi steffan i. I've been falling alex for about a year now and i. You guys are super awesome. I think you guys are like the wonder woman collaborating with iron man. So yes vodka. I mean black widow though widow to my soul a little bit. Okay so I guess the second part of my question since we're pressed on time here Most of the stale letters study have very basic design like. It's clear that their focus is copy. I designed second and they just take good copy 'em in also ring template but i noticed what your copy posse landing page. It's totally next level. Like now our website which is awesome. And do you feel like design is just as important as good copy and is designed something test as well great question so no. I don't think designers is as good as copy I think that great design can make copy better in the sense that like. I'm a huge branding nerd. I love branding. And i love being like anything that i put out there. I want it to look like fricken sexy. Because that's i like pretty things. I it's nowadays. Nobody has an excuse like it's so easy to build pretty stuff online So i don't think it's important as i don't think it's as important as copy any copy king or queen however you wanna look at it but i'm a big fan of of of great designs so if i'm working with a client who i know values design. I get even more excited because thinking this way. Like if you're a copywriter. And you want to showcase your work. It's so much more fun to showcase your work on like a sexy looking landing page that it is to leg. Send them like a long-form sales page a headline. That looks so direct. Response you know. And so i as a copywriter of naturally just really started visualizing copy how i want it to look and so when i am writing copy weather for myself or for a client. Leave a lot of design notes in the google doc. So i'll be like note to designer this looking like this. I envision this looking like this. And so i i have a lot of say in the design. Only because like as as the writer of this page like want my work to be showcasing the best possible way and without being sad like i've no design experts. So you know i. I'm always kind of looking to see sort of the way. Other people Format caught copy. And i think you know first and foremost you never want designed to hinder copies. So never make your designs so fancy that like. It's not easy to follow so So yeah i mean. I hope that answers your question. I think i think in this day and age too. I think people they trust sites that look a bit more branded and directly on Marketing style long sales pages. Still work for sure But i think having a brand behind designed behind. It can only help if it if it doesn't hinder the copy But then you can have beautifully. Designed websites with crap copying obviously designs not going to convert people. So it's it's definitely an added thing true. Thank you so much. You're welcome awesome cool. So i'm everyone who's questioning meeting get to. I'm terribly sorry. There's somebody more good ones but you know. I want to be respectful of everyone's time here. Alex so much for coming on and joining in sharing Just so many amazing insights so such a great story of you in your son spiring. Just really appreciate a couple of questions. We're what's the best way for people who are here now who listen on itunes or watched the replay on youtube to get a hold of you. I put your website in Go subscribe to alex's youtube channel. If you haven't already but what else could be doing to to kind of interact with you or should they go follow. Yeah that's great. And i apologize. My dog just started barking so good the whole time. You can check out my website alice. Tony dot com. That's where you can link and navigate through to leg. All of my all of my different staff definitely check me out on youtube. I publish video every week. I know john mentioned my last video. On writer's block i actually specifically writer's walked four copywriters writing sales pages so that should give you some insight and then instagram is at copy policy. And you can definitely dmz there. I'm in there all the time super active on instagram. So awesome fantastic. Well thank you again so much really appreciate it and thank you everybody who attended and ask questions and interacted love all of you and make sure for you who listen on itunes. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast. If you watch on youtube. 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