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Episode 40A  Brooke Davis  Adventures of an Urban Homesteader

Discovered Wordsmiths

20:10 min | 2 months ago

Episode 40A Brooke Davis Adventures of an Urban Homesteader

"Are you working on your other career? But struggling to get that first book published does the goal of being in awe Thursday through Thursday or responsive having multiple books and making a full-time living or as Fantastical is living in Cinderella's Castle welcome to discovered word. Smith's a podcast where aspiring authors can be heard join Stephen Schneider is he finds and talks to authors? You may not know but authors that have gotten their foot on the author career path here what they've done to get there and off they want to go now settle down it's time for a bit of inspiration and advice, listen to today's discovered Wordsmith. All right. Well today on the podcast. I've got Brooke Davis and so welcome Brooke to the podcast. Thank you very much for having me. I'm excited to be here. Great and Anna know is it snowing where you are? We had snow lately. You know what we did get just a little bit of snow, but it's supposed to be warmer and its melting off very fast as it always does walk in the Rocky Mountains. It seems to snow and then go nice. Yeah. Well, we've actually had more snow this year than the last couple so that's I like snow. So it's good. I do too and and a little bit more but we'll get take what we get. Right. So Brooke before we get started talking about your book. Tell us a little bit about yourself who you are what you like to do besides writing. So I'm originally from Southern Indiana and I grew up there and I went to school there. I actually have my schooling was in business, ironically enough grew up in the country. Love to be outside Edge Photography hiking travelling in the west. I've been in Colorado over twenty years now and just loved it loved going around in the mountains Yellowstone Park is a favorite song. Anna is a favorite as well. So you're an outdoor person mostly in the fall and the spring not so much in the summer. It can get a little warm but it is it is beautiful beautiful here in the West Palm of the time. So yes, I like being out with a lot with with all these activities. Could I ask is writing your full-time or do you have a day job, you know writing is dead would I would like for it to be my full-time? It is not quite full time yet. I also have a certificate in Wellness coaching. So that's what I do along with writing several things together. What made you decide to start writing, you know writing is always been an outlet for me just really of thoughts and emotions. I have been journaling for a long time. And I know that writing a book is is very much not the same but it was really about getting thoughts and feelings out to work them out. And then I really started wondering, you know, could I write an entire book off? Is that something that I could pull off or would it be horrible or could I actually make something into a book that I would be proud of? And it kind of just went from there and I because I am so very creative. I think that's where it came from. It just really was an outlet for that creativity that I wasn't really able to express thoughts as part of someone who was doing a more analytical job in finance. And so like a lot of authors using writing to get your thoughts and feelings out and kind of felt a pool towards writing. Absolutely and I think it has to do with the story time. That is one of the most important things in writing is that that ability to tell a story and to not only like it yourself but to say wow with somebody else benefit from this, you know, could they be amused or transported or whatever regardless of genre? I think that storytelling is the most exciting part in putting those pieces together as a writer. It's just become more fun and more engaging to me as I've gone along. Okay, I like that and I think a lot of writers share that Viewpoint did you say how long have you been writing? You know, I've been writing off and on probably for about eight years now, I think I wrote the very first draft of something that may never see the light of day in twenty. You know, we have those sometimes it's like that's just going to go in the back of the desk and stay there. But yeah, I think it's really been off and on for about eight years. So it's been quite a while. So you came in when things were really heating up with Kindle and e-books and all that. You know, I will Wish I had come in a lot earlier before they had changed some things they still offer such a wonderful service now, but because I didn't get published until last year. I still consider myself really should be since it's my first book and the first time going through that process. Typically I was writing when it was new but I didn't actually get in the game until last year. Okay, so you still seen some changes over the last couple of years and still been able to get your book published. Yes. Also, your book is called The Adventures of an urban Homesteader tell us about that of what the title means and what the books that book is about. So the adventures of an urban Homesteader the Diary of Kendall Whitney is about a young woman who really needs to figure out how to adult and she's twenty-eight years old. She knows from San Francisco to Montana. She's moving to Bozeman Bozeman is not a super small town. It's about fifty thousand people and University. So it's not the super small town, but it's not this super big city either and she really launches herself on this quest for Independence. You know, what does she want as far as a career? What does she want in a relationship? And then she has some really fist on forehead faceplant humor stuff of how to live alone. So she's trying to figure these three things out during the book along with a very funny and endearing cast of characters that are trying to help her along the way and you talked about a couple of things wrote before this what made you finally want to write this book and get this particular book out there. So I think I had to think about that for a while when you had you had studied that question. I'm like, hey, I did this happen really what happened was the first thing that I wrote that probably will not see the light of day was very heavy and very serious and pig Emotionally draining to write and I realized afterwards I'm like, I need to write something fun and lighthearted that is going to make me laugh that it's going to make people laugh. And so that's how they came about and I've been to Bozeman many times. I've been going up there with my family and on my own since the early nineties late eighties, and I'm like, I think I can write about this well enough to know the town and also from this point of view of saying these are some things that can happen along the way that could be really fun and educational and enlightening to this character. So like a lot of wage authors you wanted a book that resonated with you which would then resonate with others. But also if it wasn't out there then you might as well be the one to write it down, right and I knew my writing it in Diary form, which it is in it would be a little different but I I also had that concern of this cannot be Bridget Jones diary and it's not so that wage. Now is definitely a consideration of saying this needs to be different Kendall. Whitney's journey is different than British journey in many ways. And so I had that in mind as well, but mostly it was about tell fun and light-hearted story that moved along with relatable characters. People are like, oh yeah, that's probably happened to me that was embarrassing that again type of thing in this is traditionally published or you published it yourself. I did self publish this one. Did you consider trying to traditional publish or did you always want to publish it yourself? I always wanted to self publish this one. I think in the future, I would consider some type of a break publishing with traditional and stealth we'll kind of see how that plays out. But for this one, I really did want to self-publish this one. Do you have plans for a follow-up or is the next book a table? then completely different next book is something completely And the current book have you gotten any feedback from readers? What are people saying about it or telling you you know, what for the people that it's really speaking to? It has been very relatable very funny mostly positive reviews and some people it truly is not their cup of tea, but for the people that are really kind of into that and are getting the humor they are really enjoying it. I would say it has some pretty good reviews out there on Amazon and Goodreads right now. And you said it's on Amazon. Are you just on Amazon or do you have it available elsewhere? I do have it available elsewhere. It is also on Kobo Apple Barnes and Noble and Google and so the the Nextbook, can you tell us a little bit about that one? Yes. The next book is a micro Memoir it was I hope to publish it sometime in 2021. The working title is without you I would be nothing and it's none. Fiction as a micro Memoir and my interpretation of micro Memoir is short Memoirs and I kind of mash two books together. So there's an author name fan assembly. She had a micro memoir book called Heating and Cooling and she had 52 and then Grant Faulkner had a book of stories called Fishers not Fishers with a fishing pole Fishers as in fissures and each of his stories were exactly one hundred words, and I thought what would happen if I took out 100 micro Memoirs that were exactly one hundred words each and yes that is as daunting as it sounds. Wow, so nothing like you could challenge exactly and it really was but it forces you to be really smart with language and emotion and what you want to convey and that book right now is in the Baton Rouge. Your stage so it's moving along. And again, I hope to have that out. I do plan to self-publish that one as well. Hopefully sometime in late summer, maybe early fall even though it's nonfiction just from what you're talking about. It sounds like your style of writing. It will be very similar to the quirky humor from your first book Is that sound accurate, you know there there's definitely some quirky humor in there. It does take on a little more of a serious tone. It's about really talking about how Place experience and people move through your life and it talks about the aging process. It also talks about me losing my father to Parkinson's and Alzheimer's and how it kind of moves into that but there's definitely a mix of that quirky humor as well the adventures of an urban Homesteader. How much would you say is like a reflection from your experience in life compared to the Memoir? I'm trying to I want a dog Sure that I understand your question. I definitely think there were some reflections of things that did happen to me and Adventures of an Urban Home stutter because we're going from fiction to non-fiction. I mean clearly as a memoir is very very personal stylistically. There will definitely be some things that are similar but because everything I chose to make everything 100 Words and that micro Memoir obviously thought was that was more challenging is is that's kind of what you were wanting to know. Yeah, I guess a lot of times when we write we we write a story that is not based off our life, but you know, we put a lot of ourselves into it and obviously that's what a memoir does. I was just curious if your fiction book was a bit of a fictionalized account of some of your life or experiences, you know, I would say in many ways know it really was Kendall's experience. I definitely think there were bits and pieces there, but I think really Kendall The main character in Adventures is her own person because she comes from a very large city and I did not I did not have that experience growing up. I also am an only child and Kendall has siblings. So I would say there are a few things but not not too too much. She really is her own woman in that book. And are you finding any challenges? I'm going from fiction to non-fiction luckily enough. I didn't probably because I have been working on this micro Memoir project and in all honesty. I told my editor I almost didn't do it because I would like who is going to want to read this and I'm like no the more I got into it. I'm like they're they're nuggets of wisdom here that I think are useful and valuable. So I went ahead and did it and she's she's giving me some really good feedback on the book. So I'll be very excited to see what the beta readers have to say. I think it will have been a good use of time in the end. And when one more question on your book, do you think you might write a sequel to the fiction book? Urban Homesteader, you know, I don't have plans to I think I could but I don't have plans to at this time. Let's put it that way. I find interesting because there's so much of a push nowadays for everything being a series that you you read three books of anything instead of just one right and I think that that's going to be fascinating because I I have writer friends who very much right in the series. Please I tend to write my ideas as single stand-alone books. So yeah, and and that's completely valid I think too often people get stuck on. Oh my God, everyone saying I have to do this and you don't necessarily have to there are plenty of books out there by authors that are stand alone without being in a series that are very very popular. Absolutely. So let's let me ask you when you were growing up. I assume you've been reading for most of your life. What are some of your favorite books and authors so they said I did have some in childhood. Um, most of the authors that I've been reading lately that have come to be my favorites one is Kate Morton. She wrote the distant hours also block makers daughter. I read the distant hours in one day. I literally could not put it down. I had the Olympics on that recommendation. Yeah. I have you Olympics on mute. I had I talked to my mom for 30 minutes and I'm like, I gotta go cuz I gotta finish this book nice MJ Rose also is one of my favorites Eleanor brown one end. She wrote the weird sisters. And then also I tend to not read a lot of fantasy books, but I'm becoming more interested in them. One of the authors. I read recently was Tessa Groton and she wrote the queens of Innis clear and I have her latest one called lady Hotspur, but I have not started it. So yeah. Those are those are some of the authors I've been reading that I really do. Enjoy. Great. I'll have to make some links to those. I haven't heard of most of those where and you live in the Rocky Mountains. Do you happen to have a local bookstore that you enjoy going to be? Absolutely. I live in Suburban Denver. So the local bookstore that I go to is Tattered Cover. And it's been on the scene for like fifty years here in the Denver area. Nice. I love bookstores that have a quirky little flavor to them. Yeah. It's kind of an institution here. Okay. So Brooke to finish up our talk about your writing tell people why you think they should get your book The Adventures of an urban Homesteader if I'm not really looking for a laugh and you enjoy romantic comedy focused really on a quest of is she going to achieve the Independence that she wants in the areas of her life and is quite she's quite frankly going to survive living in Montana after having lived in San Francisco. Really? It's just a light-hearted way to find beachy read that will transport you for awhile, and hopefully leave you just really satisfied with the ending. Nice nice. This just popped into my head. So do you would you pictures This book as being a movie or a TV show. Oh, wow. That's an interesting question. I would say. Off the top of my head. It strikes me more as a movie versus a TV show, but I could see where things could be episodic with her various quests in life. But yeah, we around just hilarity of adulting really. Well, you know, you could always push people that if they like Bridget Jones Diary read this. Yeah, it's just different in in some ways. But if you like diary forum and you're really on that quest for Independence and trying to see if she actually pulls off the trifecta in trying to adult life definitely so yes, well tell us again the name of the book where to get it and if you have a website where people can find you. Yes, so the name of the book is Adventures of an urban Homesteader and my website is w w w Brooke Davis rights and Brooke is spelled. With any you can get it there. You can also get it on Amazon Kobo Apple Barnes and Noble and Google and I do have I appreciate I do have both print and wrote a book editions available. Nice. Let me ask a lot of people don't do print nowadays. Why did you choose to do print I think because I'm one of those readers who likes them look in my hand if I'm reading generally I'm reading from a paperback or a hard back in all honesty. And I also think that as a new author I really just wanted the experience of holding that hot little bulge in my hand and saying I did this because it's a big deal. It takes a long time. It's quite the journey and at the end of the day you really sometimes just want to have that thing. You can hold in your hand and say look what I did and that's a very valid. I think a lot of authors liked that tactile. Hey, I have an accomplishment. I agree. It's it's not as fulfilling birth. Put up a digital bunch of zeros and ones. It's really not. I mean, it's it's so awesome and amazing that we can do what we do now as writers, but there's still something about holding that book in your great. Well Brooke, I appreciate you taking a couple of moments to talk about your book today and we are going to continue in a moment with the second half where we talked about getting it done. So thanks for being on today. Thank you. Thank you for listening to discovered wordsmiths come back next week and listen to another author discuss the road. They traveled and maybe sometime in the near future. It might be you.

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Meghan Rienks

Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

1:37:46 hr | 1 year ago

Meghan Rienks

"Hi Everyone Sophia. Bush here welcomed a work in progress where I talked to people who inspire me about how they got to where they are and where. They think they're still going. Hello Whip Smart. I had so much fun talking with today's guest. Megan rinks Megan is actress. Blogger Youtube Star. And now an author. She has a new book out called. You're not special and I can not wait for my copy to arrive in the mail in the book. She gives some great advice. She shares her story in hopes of reminding people that they are not alone on the bumpy road to adulthood and there are more than a few laughs. Packed did in this conversation. We are GonNa talk about everything from our mutual. Love of Brooke Davis all things one tree hill to how meagan got started on Youtube. How she's staying saying in quarantine and Oh so much more. Enjoy Megan so excited to have you on the podcast today. I I feel such a kinship to you when I when I was reading About your book coming out. And I I read this phrase now that she's mostly through her awkward stage say it gets better and I was like. Oh my God same. I don't know if I'm ever going to be all the way through it. Yeah but I'm embracing it now. I'm just like now. I'm owning it instead of being afraid of being awkward. Now I'm like you know what you're quirky like. It works for some people as opposed to try to pretend that I'm not. I'm like it's fine. You can be awkward like it's okay now it's just like a defining part of my personality as opposed to something. I'm like Oh grow out of it. Turns out you don't grow out turns out. I don't think I'm ever going to and I realized that when my friends find something. I'm doing to be hilarious. It's usually because it's an expression of my awkwardness. Oh maybe I should lean into it and use it as comedic gold. Exactly exactly I tell you that And this is like such a nerd thing. I asked my publicist beforehand and I was like. Can I say this talk like for sure? I was so obsessed with one tree hill like so fast and Brooke Davis my icon and my queen as like every on feminist but you had a blue convertible bug in the show and so the first car I had in. La was a blue convertible bug. And I named it Brooke Days Sas. Oh God can I tell her this is this is so embarrassing like no. I Love I just like I just had to tell you because like I loved. I loved that show but I loved you. I'm like every it was like literally the absolute best I worked with Joe Davila a time when I first moved to La and like literally my boyfriend. This I'm GonNa tell her that he was like where I haven't heard that even so long but he was. He gave me a copy of I forgot what season of it but he knew I was watching it and he was at. You remind me so much so I was like Joe. Do you understand. What kind of complement is like? Do you know how much like major that was for me so I just have to say that like I have been a fan forever and Mike. I love when character people who play characters like I love on TV ended up being like really great people and like are also activists and feminists and that stuff. So you like I feel like I'm like okay. I'm so glad that's who I chose to relate to and really like so I just WanNa say thank you because it was so especially like at that time. I think of a lot of TV shows and stuff. There was not a lot of great like female characters and life even in like every show. There's questionable things that like you know as an actor that you're I hate this like an even though this is a character and it's not always me like I hate the fact that like this is supposed to be part of the joker is supposed to be funny and like it's not it's like uncomfortable and gross and so it was just nice through all of that Cava character that I felt like I could count on that. I really liked that. I was like okay. This can keep me sane through all of it so I just yeah. I just had to tell you that I'm a little bit of a fan girl. I that honestly I love that so much. I I feel that it's funny. I was at this like big. Meet up we did this big charity like convention thing a bunch of us together in Wilmington like a year ago and these sweet girls were chocking and one of them was like. I'm Brooke Davis Number. One Fan and I was like I gotTA BE HONEST. Babe I am like you all can fight for like spot number two but I I loved her. I loved playing her. Even when it was to your point like complicated when I would read something and go. I would never do that to figure out why she would. And why she did and to really fight for her right to grow. I fought with my writers a lot gaffe and and I felt like I was defending a friend. You know she was really so meaningful to me as well so I really just wanted to know. It's it's such a. It's such a good character and there's so few of those that. I had that were like shows that I watched at like an age where you fall in love with TV and characters like in a different way when you're a teenager because you feel so seen and I'm an only child so I didn't have like. Oh yeah so. I didn't have a sibling to relate to so like when I would like either read books or like watch movies like that or TV shows. Like I would get so engulfed in that and so it was so nice to have something that like at that age. That is like I don't even want to say necessarily a role model but like appear because like obviously like no character is perfect. And like I've been on that side to where you're like fighting for something you're like. She would never do this like nobody in their right mind would ever do this. Do this screen. Yeah there's way in Hell. I once had to fight so like tooth and nail so hard to like a room of male writers about why I couldn't do a sexy striptease taking leggings off and I was like taking leggings office. The least sexy thing in the world. They'RE GONNA get stuck on my feet. Are you gonNA cut or my to RIP THEM OFF? My feet like this is not. It's not cute. It's like you're asking me to squeeze into like the tightest piece of clothing ever make it sexy and I'm like so I'm going to be sexy. I'm going to be jumping and hopping like are you kidding me. This is insane and so I think it's it's so nice to have you know one that you could count on. That felt a lot better than some of the ones that just when shows also like. Jump the ship where you're like. Oh God oh no this is this is too bad I could. I could always count on Brooke Davis and then had it for further along in my car to which I was so sad but I got rid of that car and I was like. Oh my God. My Brooke Davis has gone. That's fun honestly. I wonder I'm like I wonder how many Volkswagen's like people decided they wanted. Because that's we vibe it was. It was such a good vibe like I lived for it and I knew I wanted wanted. I saw the blue color and I was a half a guy has to do. This is me like fully. Achieving Brooke Davis Status. Which is all I've ever wanted. We're both awkward only children so I see why Joe Davila thinks that were makes total sense using both like loud feminists to and I was like. Oh yeah for sure really relate absolutely. I'm like you think this a normal. This isn't a normal voice. Speaking versus do know story of my life. My Gosh. It's actually been so cool. I've been getting a lot of notes on socials about from fans who are starting the show over again. Because what else are we doing in quarantine and I actually because dead to me? I don't know. Have you seen that show and lakes on my list? We haven't heard it yet. Okay honestly perfect because it was one of my favorite things to happen in television last year and season two just came out and I was like no. I watch these one so that I'm essentially in a full binge like up until the moment seemed to comes out and I get it. You realize that when when you really love a character or you love a show like you can watch it and over again and and it just feels good and so it's been sweet as I've been rewatching one of my favorite shows to to hear from people who are like I'm totally rewatching Brooks Journey and I'm like oh I love. I should watch it. I have so much to watch. I'm so bad at like the thing is like if we had three seasons it would be one thing but we had too much. It's one hundred and eighty seven hours of television. I can't if you have things you need to watch. You don't WanNa do that. I you know it's what I watched when I was dropping out of college when I and I had no friends I was like look at this. Bigger befriends can't relate. I am in their group of friends. Now those are obviously one step away from being my friends exactly. So what what are you doing at? I mean you know we were talking before we started recording about what it's like for both of us to be working from home and figuring out how to make the content that we make what's keeping you busy during quarantine seeing sane well. Adhd is keeping me busy. Because I constantly start a bunch of new things don't necessarily finish but I did discover that I have a love of puzzles like through all of which I think everybody's discovering but I've never done a puzzle in my life and I have. I like had this piss any which turns out not to be an epiphany because I googled it and it's like a whole thing got a whole study that people with Adhd are great at puzzles. Like I thought I unlocked by superpower and I was like Oh my God. I never been like this and neatly. Good at something that has to use my brain because my brain works so much faster than my then my mouth and my mouse works fast already so that has been so fun for me and I ordered a bunch and now my friends and I are like shipping. The Puzzles we finished to each other like we can all start them all over again. That's so fun. I absolutely love that. Also weirdly enough so I talk about it in my book lot. I started on Youtube when I was sixteen. And I ve logged for a really long time and was doing whether it was like daily logs. Weekly Logs Ed. In my book I kind of go through the point where I realized that I was like these aren't like great for my mental health at all. There was definitely like they served me well for a certain point when like I didn't have friends and all that stuff I was I was just putting on a show like I wasn't actually like dealing with my stuff I was like. Let me ignore my stuff and like make content for other people but weirdly enough as my book came out. I was like I kind of one of log again like which I was like this. Oh I never thought I would get to that point again and I was like well. That's like a thanks to therapy sort of thing. But I've been finding myself weirdly enough. Yeah going back to things that for that. My therapist term is like oh it no longer serves you finish with something and like okay. This thing no longer serves its purpose for you and I was like now. I feel like I'm going back to like those things that didn't necessarily serve a purpose for a little while and now I'm like. Oh they're like a different purpose for me. Which is fun indifferent. Because I think it. Also it's it's hard that productivity thing in quarantine is so hard because it feels like everybody is everybody is like redoing their patio and like all of these things that it feels like and they're doing it like beautifully like aesthetically like they've got like full glam makeup on and like. Oh we're doing it all ourselves and it feels very mentioned. I like Lincoln. It's four o'clock like what are you need that you're getting this done. It's always four o'clock every time I look at the clock four o'clock and I was like. Oh Shit what did I do all day now? I have the exact same experience and I've been trying to get up earlier so like all of this week. I've been getting up at seven and my plan. Every day I get up at seven. Make a coffee feed the dog. Were exercise like get your endorphins going. I'm doing none of this. None of it. I get up at seven and then I blink and it's eight and I'm like where did that hour go and I have to be on a call at eight thirty and I'm just so confused at where the time is going to quarantine for me feels like a very weird just time warp and some things are working but so many things just art and I. I had that insane. Sort of aspirational thing. That maybe is also a sign of like a little bit of a hyperactivity thing slash like the over. The only child overachiever syndrome. Where I was like. Obviously this is what. I'm going to learn to play the piano. I'M GONNA get my French back. I'M GONNA. I haven't touched the piano not once. I haven't opened a language APP. Not once I don't know what I'm doing but I feel busy and exhausted. And maybe part of that just comes from you know an empathetic experience of global stress. But this is this is crazy. It's it's so it's so wild at feels like for me. It feels like the days are so short yet so long and we've been here for so long but it's only been a week like it feels like it's like this is like this time-warp. I'm like yeah. I'm like what is happening like. I the only thing that I know for sure that I do every day. Is Scroll through tick talk? That is the only thing that I did that today and never mind to do list. It's never my intention or my goal. Yes waste hour and a half on tick tock but it's the only thing I consistently do. The only thing was like I love shirt so we I'm so interested thinking about the world to your point of Tick Tock Social Media Youtube. You said that you made your first videos at sixteen but but where do you think that came from like you know we we have in common? That were both only children and I know that you grew up in a really small town. Like less than eight thousand people right. Where where was that? An had as an only child in a small town begin kind of finding her voice. Like what what was child for you. My I was like a very dramatic child and my my parents used to say that. They caught me practicing crying in front of the mirror when I was two and they were like. Oh God she either needs to be an actor or she has some other issues that she's dealing with and so I always grew up like acting and doing plays but I think the thing that was so weird for me that I didn't understand until I got older and I understood what anxiety was where I was like. I'm a Leo. I'm so outgoing. Like I love to be the center of attention but I'm also petrified all the time like that and so I get same like literally my entire life of being. I'm a big performer. And I want everyone to look at me but also please looking at because I'm terrified my like WANNA Haida Corner. So I always say grappled with this. Am I an introvert? No I'm not because I don't alone I recharge with people but it's only like a select group of people in my ideal scenario. That's like not stressful. It's Coachella Coachella. Being like energize. That's like my like anxiety cesspool like I hate that. That is not fun so I yeah. I grew up like doing like very much performer. I loved putting on shows in doing all of that kind of stuff and I actually started youtube channel because the summer before my senior year of high school. Very small town. I grew up in a town called Fairfax in. Marin County in northern California and marinas like a high achiever central like my entire high school was like either they like took a gap year went India to find themselves or they went to Stanford like there's literally no in between and is it like what if I'm like neither of those like I don't want to travel right now. 'cause like that sounds stressful and like expensive but I also am not smart enough to go to Stanford so all of my friends did like pre college programs like in northwestern did journalism did all of that stuff and I had mono I couldn't do anything and also didn't have great grades so it's could get into into any of those things so I ended up making a youtube channel for the summer and it was odd because I never grew up. Doing sports danced. I was allowed to quit anything like I never had like. No you have to stay in. Do this like quit than if you want. And I was like well. Now I'm like fifteen at all of my friends have done like extracurriculars and all of this stuff and I've done everything once. I did like Ukrainian Easter egg blowing classes. Like I have done like all of this like random stuff but I. I didn't have any at least in my opinion I haven't like knack or like I didn't have my thing like I didn't have that and that's sexual weird important thing in high school like you're an athlete you run track or you're this kind of person and even though I did theater I wasn't like one of the theater kids even though I did all the place I just didn't fit in with them. So Youtube was weirdly enough. It became kind of like that was my thing and I started at such a good point and youtube was before anyone was getting paid so like there was none of that. Oh you're gonNA make all this money off of it and it was so not saturated and I also weirdly enough. Sixteen was a late age to start making youtube videos. Really like people were like twelve and eleven like making videos and they're you're relating to other like young young people watching and then the only other people who are really making videos in the space was people who were like in their twenties so they kind of like knew better to be professional and all of that stuff. So you're either acting like a kid or I'm being really professional and I was at the sweet spot of sixteen where I'm like. Oh I swear like I make dirty jokes like I'm just unapologetically myself and so it ended up like I think doing pretty well because I was. I was a different kind of person on Youtube at the time because I wasn't really thinking about it as oh I'm a business professional but then I also was. I wasn't a kid so I think that there was that kind of divide that ended up being a good thing but I had no idea it was. I was like Oh. I'm just going to do it for a summer. Like I'm not gonNa keep doing this and then I just did okay so I was so curious because then what if everyone on? Youtube was twelve or a group of adults doing like whatever professional demonstrations they were doing. And I'm just thinking I'm like my God the last Youtube Video. I watch for like how to train your dog to run on a treadmill literally. This is the thing I'm trying to figure out as my poor dog is the goal. Well my poor dog is like losing her mind. She's cooped up like all the hikes are closed and she doesn't know what to do with herself. But if there was no one else in your peer group doing this. How did you even know what to do? And and how did you find I guess? When did you discover youtube? And when did you then by watching whatever you were watching think oh I could do this? I have something to do here so I had a friend who I grew up with who she did beauty videos on Youtube for like a short period of time when we were in middle school and she used a fake name and like lied about a bunch of like it became like drama at our school but at the same time like it was the era where you would never put your last name on the Internet because it was like. Oh no like people are coming to find you like it is dangerous so I learned about for example. I learned about it through her so I thought you was just for beauty videos so I didn't know there was anything else and I didn't wear makeup. I didn't know how to do it so but I just pretended and I was like. I guess this is what you do like. My first earliest videos are clearly like bullshitting my way through and like not really faking it that. I don't know what I'm doing but he was like I guess. I'll just like keep trying to do this but I think like through all of it. I did end up finding people who were around by age. It was and they were a lot of them. Did start a little bit younger than I did. And I think that's where you get the like the squeaky clean little thing because like your fourteen. Your parents are going to yell at you if you swear like. My parents were not like that like I I was. I was just doing whatever I really wanted to do. So I think that's kind of where it but it's so funny I've always. I've always had really bad imposter syndrome and I think I've always had it on youtube but because I wasn't really consuming youtube videos. I wasn't comparing myself to anyone. I was kind of just listening to my friends This is the kind of stuff that people do. This is what you do and I was like okay and I just started doing it and wasn't realizing that if I actually actively compared videos I was doing what other people were doing. Mine were awful. They were not good. They clearly had no idea what I was saying. But I just I was just so blissfully unaware of all of that stuff and I've I've really got out of my way to light kind of always be like that like I don't like to consume content of people who are doing. I don't like to consume content of people who are kind of in the same lane because like I wouldn't say that I'm like an inherently jealous person because it's not I was recently like I tweeted about this being my jealous if I like not I don't want I want everyone to have what they have. I just want what they have and they were like no no. That's not Chelsea you're just envious and I'm like naturally can kind of be like that so I really try not to consume stuff of people who are doing kind of like in a similar the like the same same vein of what? I'm doing because I can just compare so much and then I'd like get the debilitating perfectionism where I'm like well if I'm not doing it if I'm not filming. That goes with drones. And doing it like this. It doesn't cost ten thousand dollars in like. Why am I doing it and I was like well? Maybe not everything has to be like that. I also I mean I love that. You're willing to talk about that and willing to open a conversation about that because especially I think as women. We have decades of a consumer driven industry that has literally been designed and orchestrated to make us feel less than so that will buy more and women have been taught. You know unlike men who are allowed to just punch each other on the playground growing up. Girls are always supposed to be nice. They're always supposed to be sweet. They're always supposed to kind of stuff their feelings down so we don't not that we're supposed to be hitting each other's that's not what I'm saying but we don't have these patterns of self expression for quote unquote ugly emotions. Which envy would theoretically fall into so we don't know how to say. Oh my God look at this amazing girl. She's beautiful she's smart she's funny. She made this video. That is so incredible. Like I don't know if I could do something like that. We don't know that that's normal so so because when those emotions come up we've been cultured to think they're bad then we sort of we project that badness onto other people in a weird way. Yeah no I think there's that difference of like you don't have to hate people who are doing things in house things that you wish you had but you also don't have to like consume all of the things that they're doing if they don't make you feel great and that was such like I had a conversation my therapist about that. I was like my bad feminist because there are some people that I'm like friends with but they make me feel bad about myself but it's nothing that they're doing and I feel so bad that I'm not supporting them just like well. How are you not supporting that? I was like oh I'm just like muted them on Instagram. And she was not supporting them like. That's not like if you're not actively tearing someone down talking bad about someone like all of that like you're allowed to like protect your own health and still like love and support these people who might not necessarily for where you're currently at in your life bring you to make you feel like the best version of yourself and that has nothing to do with them and has everything to do with you and I was like yeah okay so I'm not a bad feminist. Okay terrified of that well and I think if you can own it and I think if you can understand how your experience of what you take in relates to yourself care and your mental health again. It shifts the perspective. It's less actually that you're envious of what someone else has and more that your personal self doubt or whatever it is you're processing in the moment is triggered by the observation of what appears to be someone else's perfection and one of the things that I I love so much I was having this conversation years ago. WITH MY FRIEND. Glennon doyle. She's an amazing offer and she's kind of this. Incredible Mentor to me. And I was saying you know we were having a conversation. It was like a fireside chat at this big speaking event thing. It was so cool as we're having this conversation. I'm like you have to come you with loved us. Love fireside chats but so we were talking and I said you know one of the things that I think is so difficult. Is that because we live in this digital world and we are connected and so many of us do I think for good reason have presence on social media gets really easy to compare. Someone's two dimensional life onscreen to your three dimensional experience which is so much more complicated and things look perfect that art because there are people who think your life looks perfect and that and then you're sitting in your three-dimensional body going like I'm the only one failing and that's universally true for everyone and she said something that I was like. And she said never compare someone else's outsides to your insights And so if you have to mute someone else's outsides to protect your insides I think that's an amazing show of Willpower Self Preservation. And Self Care One of the biggest things that like was the author. Hob Click. Moment for me is when I realized that I compare my own highlight reel to my own life like I will compare and like and that was when I was like. Oh Wow this is amazing. This is not anybody else being involved like. This is all on me. I would look back at old pictures. I would look back at old videos and all of that stuff that I had this. Like deep like three hour talk with one of my friends who's also been on youtube for a while and I was like where we happier back them. A re just good at faking it and like was this lake. Was this like the best version of ourselves and like did we or did we feel the exact same way that we feel now like. Are we comparing ourselves to ourselves and like we even had a hard time getting caught up in the sense of? It's hard enough when you look at other people and like you rationalize like is this their real life or are they putting on a front and then I was like. I'm having a hard time looking at things that I've posted or talked about like two three four years ago and was I being real was is putting on a front like I'm comparing me now to prior me forever like it's a cycle that continues to go on and I think it happens even whether or not anyone's online or whatever but I found it so much especially with body positively or like body neutrality. Where you look back at a picture of yourself and you're like Oh. I hated how I looked at night. And then you look and you're like why look so good. Why can't I look like that now? And it's like Oh but I've never in that current moment where you're in the however you're looking at however you're feeling you're at least. I've always found. I'm always thinking about something before. And then I have to put myself back in that before I go in that moment. I wasn't going. This is it. This is what I feel the best. I was thinking of me before again. Like it's just this endless cycle that I found like okay. Well now I just I just don't I don't slip down that rabbit hole because it's not helpful for me at all to like put and that's also like the I've had a love. Following body causative people and body body neutrality was like the biggest like mind blowing because I was like self lives so unattainable for some things for me. I'm like I have like flat feet and I hate them and they're huge and like I'm GonNa love them like no offence to like massive feed like they kind of suck like I look like I come into a room feet. I but I was like why do I. I can't I can't love them. Which is fine then. I just don't have to care and put all of this value on something. That is so unimportant but I think the at least I found that the issue with sell my issue with self love certain things it makes it feel important because the things you love or things that are important to you and I was like well. I can't let some of this stuff be important to me because if I if I have to love it then it means it's important and I'm not going to be able to love it so therefore it can't be important at all right. Well why does everything have to be important? It's too much. I can't have that many pillars. I need to have small things or a couple of things that are important to me and then everything it goes like a scale from there. But I can't have everything. Be All of that at once. Everything doesn't have to be amazing. There can be a whole handful of things that are just fine exactly so fine. It gets fine like it doesn't have to be like fantastic perfect all the time. I hope you guys were enjoying today's conversation. 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I was lucky that my friends were all very supportive of me on youtube because again it was like my thing they all had a thing and I kind of. I wasn't like a floater. But I just didn't have that concrete thing so I think my friends were really happy for me with it. I like dive deep into like the parent relationship stuff in my book that was. That was a huge reason. Why through myself like into Youtube? A lot was not having a super happy home life and having like youtube was you again you to create your own highlight reel and so. I was so I would do that like I would make my videos make certain things not even necessarily appear to be better for other people like four me. I was like Oh this is like it's like a scrapbook. You don't put like Shit Memories in a scrapbook you put all of the good stuff and so like there's like a year or something really bad happens you're not probably going to include it so because you WanNa look back on it with like. Oh Wow this is so happy. These memories is the stuff that I actually want to remember so I really focused on making my youtube like that and I think like I think because I my parents were like supportive in a certain like to a certain extent like my dad's always been like my number one biggest cheerleader. But he's also like Capricorn Workaholic. I mean as you can my mom's a capricorn or corn. He's a set. He's he has sat. I forget which one he is. He's a workaholic. That like all of that kind of stuff and so I think I he was like supportive of it and my mom was not but in a sense that I think that made me work harder at it and it is something to prove when your parents don't necessarily think like when Mexico that's so dumb stupid nothing's GonNa come from it it becomes like oh. I'll show you sort of thing. So it's weird because I think the whole like my like big leaps in Youtube because I really threw myself into it when I had a really bad time in college and a part of it was people that like either didn't like that. I was on youtube or thought that I because I was like making money at that time that I should like be giving them stuff and like I should give like that. I should have brought more to their lives because of what I was doing. A lot of that like success and when? I was really grinding at it so much of it was. I don't want to say like vengeful or I'll show you kind of thing but it kind of was who so many memories of like I was so happy like I had some like something to really really prove that you just just grind a hate like the L. Rise and grind. But like I did. I really threw myself into something as a Combo of a distraction but then also proving it to myself and other people that like I could do this thing and this thing wasn't stupid but I think I was always lucky because I had but my friends were always so supportive lake the night like my best friend. Sidney is literally like she is she has since we were in high school. She is referred to herself as the gale to my oprah and I was like no in your own story you should be Oprah. She Goes Oh. I WANNA be Gail like I am. You are okay for sure. And so and her parents were like they were really like who raised me and who were like the boast like involved adults in my life in role models and they very much so supportive of it too so I think that was. That was a good part of it. So yeah it just a weird thing to kind of succeed in like my like. I was always the most successful whether it was like youtube or doing whatever doing when I was like the most happy in my realize I mean the most unhappy in my real life so it was like this weird things. I don't even necessarily have great memories of like when like I was able. I got asked a couple of days ago. Like what was it like when you realized that like you could be your job and your full income. I was like well. I realized him when I was like getting bullied in college and I had to drop out and I needed to figure out if I could pay right and so it wasn't like this like oh I made it like it's always been. It's always been like this weird Combo of choosing like okay. Do I throw myself into all this up on the Internet? And if I'm throwing myself into it usually that means I'm not feeling so great my personal life. So how do I find the balance of like doing both and being happy in both? Which is something. I'm still trying to learn and do all about yeah. I mean that makes total sense to me what what was sort of the jump. 'cause you started at sixteen and then you go to college like did it feel that summer when you began more like a hobby and then when when did this sort of transition happen yes so. I compare it to it being like my like swim team or my Lacrosse. When I was in high school like it was a hobby like it was just a thing that I do for fun and even through college because like I never planned on doing youtube forever. I was like I'm moving to La. And I'm going to be an actor and if I have to go to college I go to college in Southern California and then drop out and then moved to La. Like I had this. I also had this delusional idea that I was gonna get discovered in a mall and beyond Disney channel and eventually once I started uploading videos of me swearing online. Like it's not going to happen like it's not gonna be Disney channel like barricaded like one quick Google search. It's not going to happen but so I think I never really treated it. I don't I don't think I've ever really treated it like a job because I think I've always wanted it to be a hobby that I got paid for because I think because it is so parallel to like acting in the industry like it's not the same thing but it is like in at this point in time it is kind of in the same space and I had a hard time being like. Oh this is my job. This is what I'm going to do because I was like well. I don't WanNa do this forever. This was something that I started as a hobby. That is really fun and I like doing but I can't if this is all there is to it like I. I WANNA go teach like theater in like Wisconsin or something like I need like I need something else to be like fulfilled by but I think it wasn't. I think it probably wasn't until I dropped out that I really looked at it like a job because when I was in high school like I think the most I ever made was fifty dollars was like fifty to one hundred dollars and then by the time I was in College. It was a steady increase in. Okay I could pay for my apartment in college and I could do that and never really looked at it like job also because I think I was at that time I was nineteen and I didn't have any friends who were working fulltime like everybody was either like a student and had a side job and I've never been like a money oriented like I don't like looking at money stresses me out. I don't like it. I don't like I'm not I don't like it and so I think I don't even. I don't think I even realized it was a job or I switched it from being a job to a hobby until I needed it to be a job because I needed something to me out of college. I needed something that I could leave for because I knew I had to support myself. I wasn't I didn't have any family. Who's GONNA pay for anything if I was going to drop out? Move out so it was very much at that point for me. It had to be a job. Because how else do you cope with being nineteen and not going to college when every other one of your friends are going to college and I don't have when you're working at a job where you interact with people all the time were like? Oh I'm still having a social life so I kind of in my mind had to make it and I think I probably presented that way to a lot of people that I was like. Oh my youtube doing so well and like I don't need college anymore. I'm dropping out I'm like oh and reality is so depressed. You want college to work like you really wanted to have this cool experience but I think I needed to spin it to make it like a good opportunity and like something that was worth it to me to do and like pursuing dreams versus being like admitting defeat because I think I felt dumb admitting defeat in something that I it was pretty clear I was doing. I was successful at this one part of my life and I wasn't the other and so I was like well. I feel kind of like an asshole if I'm saying I like not succeeding but I'm like succeeding like emotionally and inner personally. But you've got this career that's going well and so yeah you kinda see like an asshole to like say that you're not doing so hot when other people would kill to have an opportunity like that and it's like well there's other stuff going on behind the scenes right and it's so tricky because both both of those things can fully be true and obviously were true. Why what was the dynamic school? Where were you going and and why? Why wasn't working? I went to UC Riverside. Have you ever been to riverside? I have yes worst place on earth. Absolute I it is I. It's hot it's too hot all the time like as town. It was not fun. It was also like the mess capital of the world when when there and I was like this like sheltered kid who like I can't even watch. Tv shows. People do drugs. So I was like anxious and terrified the whole time of like every party. I walked into like. Please tell me. That's baking soda. I hate this. This is so stressful. But Yeah I. It was are never wanted to go to college. It was just. I was not academic. I was great academically like as a student at all because I always had. I don't know when you discovery of Adhd but I always had adhd but my parents were very anti diagnosing that and they were just very. I think a lot of the time to very ignorant and I what I've learned now as an adult is how different. It's diagnosed as like little girls and little boys because the little boy's like they're bouncing off the walls they can't focus on anything and I was bouncing off the walls but I loved to read so therefore I couldn't have adhd. I could read a book. And now I have talked. I talked about it and she was like well. No there's a superpower with adhd where you can hyper focus on things that you love and you can't stop doing them. I was like Oh so me doing a puzzle until four. Am that makes sense. If you're not interested in something it's not even like I could choose to not pay attention. It was like I can't like my brain cannot compute. Like it's just like the Charlie Brown voice and I'm like I don't know what you're saying so I wasn't good at school so I never had the again the desire to really go to school because it wasn't fun like when you're not doing great in school and like especially when you have to like talk in front of people all that stuff like interest rather it was like evolving society and not be feeling so confident in it but I went to UC Riverside and my still by parents were very much like just focus on making friends and the social experience. I joined a sorority and little. I know it ended up being kind of that downfall for me was like the friendships that I kind of had there and what it really ended up turning to be was like the the girls that I was like roommates with and friends with knew who I was on youtube before and didn't tell me and like they kind of talked with each other that they were like. Oh we're going to get her to pay like all of this money. Rents social essentially be paying us all to live here and like we'll like it was just very much. They and I think that I sound like the weirdest ones I got older because even still now I don't even know why they hated me so much. It was girls who like my best friends freshman year and sophomore year. They sucking hated me and I was like what and even now at twenty six. I'm like I don't really know why like I still don't really know what happened and I think it was. I don't like and I talked about in the book and like the chapter about like A. It's like trying to remember what the chapters something about college and bullying and stuff. It was such like an embarrassing thing to be like. I'm getting bullied at nineteen years old. I was like even the word bully. Feels like a little kid ish. I was like and I went to such a positive high school that was like Oh like if you came out in high school you were automatically prompting or queen like it was so liberal and Granola and everybody loved each other and it was so like in that typical twenty one jump street style like way and then the college was so different that I felt I felt so embarrassed. Like it's so am I. I'm glad that eventually ended up talking about. It was going through it because it happened to one of my best friends a couple years later who is younger than me and then I was getting all this influx of people that it still happens. We think that you get bullied as a kid and it goes away and I was like you know who's better bullying girls who are like in Nineteen Twenty. Those have perfected bullying like. They're so good at ripping you apart and making you feel like absolute trash. It was. Oh it was awful. I hated it. I mean honestly and I I don't. I don't want to depress anybody but I'm listening to you. Talk about it and I'm like girl. I went through college. I went through it in my like mid to late twenties. I've been through cycles of this also and I think I think that's something that makes it really hard for us as women to figure out and understand how this could be happening is that women have never been taught to own their success and to understand that success is kind of a competitive contact sport and so there is a real strange dynamic. Where because we don't own it. We don't understand that it can make us a target and I could not fathom that that the connection the direct connection in time line between when one of my best friends in college turned on me and the fact that I had started booking really steady work. I couldn't see it and in hindsight it was like. Oh that's so obvious. It's I actually feel stupid for not being willing to just say. Hey what's going on with the dynamic here but I also could never never at twenty have been comfortable enough to say. Hey is what's happening in my work. Life making you jealous. I never would have said a friend could be jealous. And it's taken me until my mid thirties to be able to identify that thing like you know into dogs at the dog park like start sniffing each other and their little hair goes up like right on their neck like now. I can see when the hairs go up like that on on a woman who is like maybe in my social circle or whatever and I'm just like you either deal with your shit or don't but I I don't welcome that kind of energy into my life anymore. I don't welcome competitive energy into my space anymore. I'm just not here for it. I have like too many incredible women in my life and in my work life who are just rider dies supportive all in and so when I see that that thing. I understand that it's culture. I understand that that's the thing that's been done to so many of us. I don't hold it against those people but I also don't tolerate those people in my space Because they're not the only people that exist in. That was so hard for me to recognize because the same way like I have friends who are like my best friend. Sidney is like has always been the most supportive person in the world like to the extent. Like it's it's UNCANNY. How supportive that that she is and so I had such a hard time rationalizing that I was like oh not everybody is a Sydney okay. There are other people here and like I can't if I've found these people and because like she lives in San Francisco and all of that I always wanted to find might like my L. A. Version of her and finally I was like she's enough. That's all I need. I don't need to recreate these friendships. Because it sucks to say that those friendships are like it's it's like a double edged sword that these friendships are so special. You wish that everybody was supportive in great. But they're not and so trying to seek and find that out of my. I already have that but I literally love what you said about success being competitive competitive combat sport because it is it a hundred percent is and it's so weird because you feel even as women we feel guilty not that we should at all. But there's like this inherent sense of feeling. You're you're happy when you're successful or at least for me. It's always been. I'm happy but I'm also a little like Like I don't Wanna I don't WanNA show this off like I don't. I have to feel like I'm watching everything I'm doing versus manner like I'm going to buy a Maserati and like make it be so loud when I drive it. So everybody knows and women like Oh. I don't want anyone to think that I'm like spoiled or show enough. And so it's like you're so aware of your success not making other people uncomfortable when like why like who that shouldn't. I don't feel uncomfortable with other people's like six says unless I'm like dealing with my own stuff. In which case it has no animosity or anger towards anybody else being like your life. Look so perfect on instagram. I love that for you and I'm just going to meet your story for a couple of weeks until I can figure my shit out or what I've found all reach out to those friends of mine. Who seem like they're doing so well and I'm a little envious. I should get lunch with them and hang out and then we hang out and I'm like their life is not going as well as I thought it was and I was falling into this trap that I know them personally and like it's just not it's not it's not that a black and white of being like. Oh they're this I'm this and it's like no. It's we're all the same in that sense. Yeah one hundred percent. How how did you deal because again? Right Hindsight's twenty twenty like we can look back at friendships that might have been toxic. You can look back at your college situation and understand it but at the time I imagine it was really hard. How how did you make the decision to get out of that environment to drop out to change things to focus on your videos like? What was that decision process and sort of time line like for you? Yeah I oh gosh. I've said putting myself back there. I think I saw the thing that was so the getting bullied in college. My roommate's was hard enough. The thing that was the hardest like after that was that nobody cared like we had this big sorority of all of these other girls and everybody knew what was going on and nobody cared and I had adults that I would like. I reached out to being like like tail between my legs being like. I don't know if I do anything wrong. I don't know what I'm supposed to do when I had them be like well. This is what happens when you're successful like people people are just like you're gonNA have to prepare for this and some people aren't going to like you and you're going to have to deal. This is like you signed up for this and I was like what like. How is me being successful me signing up for like having people who pretended to be my friend for a year and then treated me like shit and then having nobody else care that for me was like my? I'm out so I moved out of the apartment that I was in with those girls who I lived with and I moved into an apartment complex with another girl I went to school with and that was like good a for a while and then she started like and i. I didn't really talk about it like I hated talking about what really happened. And what went down because it was so obvious and it was one of those things that you're like. Well maybe they don't know and I'm like no they fucking know. Everybody knows what happened. Like it's not like wasn't like a sudden shift like three people who hung out every single day and then suddenly two of them pointing and laughing at the third girl and she was sitting by yourself. I'm like it doesn't take a an even now as I saw that happening. I go yeah I know. What's if there's two in one I'm going to Soom? The two are messing with the one. That's is just how it goes and so I ended up moving into a different apartment and hanging out these other girls and it just became so clear that like when I would try and talk about it. They were like. Oh we really don't want to get in the middle. We're friends with them and I was like. Oh Wow like it's if I stay here I have to become okay with the fact that these girls who treated me so terribly are friends with everybody else. I know here and everybody else I know here is doesn't want doesn't want to take sides doesn't want to be a part of it and I was like when you don't take sides and bullying. Then you're just saying you should have gone bullied like because there are no sides in that situation like there is a victim and there is a perpetrator. If there's nothing that was done like you're not picking like my side is just. Please be my friends like please hang out with me. I need someone to talk to and I tried to make it work for like I must have been. I think I did it so it was my sophomore year. That happened like the first quarter and then by Spring Quarter. I dropped out and I. It's like I submitted my final and I was just done but my grades were absolute trash. I couldn't focus on school like I was just so miserable and I threw myself into work because that was it kind of felt like I the reason why I got bullied or whatever reason was for me felt like oh it's because of my job it's like the success. I'm having online what I'm doing and those people online. They're the ones where nice to me. Like this is like they did nothing to me except like give me this opportunity and got to do all of this stuff and I would rather throw myself into that community and those people then what I was dealing with at school and so it just it was a very. It was rough though like nobody wanted me to drop out. Obviously even my friend my friends because they were having such different experiences they were just transfer to another school and I was like but I hate college. I hate school and like this isn't fun for me in the social aspect was the south this city. And I'm like if that's not fun I can't do it but it took a while for even like my closest friends and to be like okay. This was I guess this was a good idea because I told everybody that I was just taking a leave of absence and I knew I was never going that but I was like if I can prove to everybody else that I don't need it then they won't make Nico Back Right and there's something to that energy. You said that you were trying to focus on the positive and obviously the social situation what was happening in college wasn't working but what was happening online was but I think about that and I'm like you know every person who kills it in an industry or who has succeeded in a new endeavor says like you gotTa fake it till you make it and so I hear you figuring out how you were just going to fake it till you made it and and make this thing work for you so you leave school you you go all in and now were you know at your empire if you want to call it that or your business like whatever feels right. But I'm like call it an empire owner where you were talking about owning success like own it and it's two million subscribers in a podcast and blog and now book and it's like how how. How do you think that happened like was? Was it about content. Was it about regularity. Was it about getting really honest with your viewers like how did how did you begin to build it when you went all in on it? Yeah I think for me. It's always been the honesty is never been good at. I'm like stubborn to a fault. Like if I will. I'm like I'm not good at picking my battles like every battle is my battle and I have to win I. I can't let anything goes like. I can't at all. I just have this like I. I'm I will admit I am like a keyboard. Social Justice like there are things where I'm like. No we'll get in a fight with every single person who tweets at me and says something that I'm like no I can't not so I think I've never been the whole thing with you which has been difficult for a lot of people at has difficult for me. But I haven't part I haven't got joined in on. It is the fact that there are trends. Like there are like eras of what is cool and I can fully admit that I rocked it. In the era of like twenty. Six fifteen twenty sixteen like I was in that cool era and then change to these kinds of videos that were supersaturated in highly edited and they were very like bubble gum. Aspirational stuff and that was never my niche. My niece was never being an aspirational person. I was always someone that people are like. Oh I see. You're kind of like a mess like I am and this feels comfortable and so when it got this aspirational content. I I never. I never really went in on that because it felt so like fake authentic to me so I kept doing what I was doing. And after a while that content was gone and then it moved onto an even know what they would call like the next era but it was always like ebb and flow of things. And I've seen like as a consumer of watching people love when the people that they follow are authentic in themselves but the issue is you can't hit in every single market and every single time that like the what they're into is changing because then you're changing and therefore you're not authentic anymore and so it's like it becomes really hard to have a long sustained career because if you start to shift your mo to fit in with what's popular then. You're no longer what they who who they thought you were and they feel like your audience can feel betrayed so I think the thing that's worked for me and it's definitely like my success is nowhere like if whether it's like videos or whatever it is like it's my success has changed. My podcast has like. That's a new in Denver and all of this sort of stuff but I think for me like it was just being honest and I have always been I would say I'm like a seemingly open book but I'm so I like very much open book about is locked things. Might you knew what was going on here like you'd be like Oh you're not opening up at all like I'm so I'm not like a big I. We'll talk with my friends about certain stuff but not everything and so I've and I think that's also probably a syndrome of only child is because you're like I'm used to being the only kid and like who's GonNa Talk. I don't have another a peer to relate to. Yeah I have that for sure. I process a lot on my own. I also am such a verbal processor because I can't just think about it so if I can have a long night with best friends to talk about things I'll do. I'll do sort of Aha moments in leaps and bounds but it also takes me a while sometimes to talk about things like I. I remember sharing. You know with one of my best friends when I finally. I quit this job a couple of years ago and when I finally shared with my best guy friend why I quit my job a year after I did. He sat on the couch with me and he was sobbing and he was like. I can't believe I didn't know this like I'm not I'm not gonNA say like why didn't you call me like? Obviously this is what you were dealing with. But like why didn't you call me and I was like I just I as an as an only and as that mix of an introvert and extrovert I really went inside? And I wasn't. I didn't know how to talk about this for a while but now I'm ready and like now I'll talk with. Let's talk about it all the time you know but it. I talk so I totally get the. I feel such a kinship with you. That's exactly how I am like a exactly I I have to like. I always call it like mentally preparing or mentally processing like I do all of the filing in my mind I and on my own before I let anybody else into like. 'cause it's clutter like it's all just clutter and mess and sometimes. I don't want to immediately deal with them. Sometimes I WANNA take months ignoring the mess and not the processing it and not dealing with it and then finally. I'll do that but then I can let other people in but I'm not I'm the exact same way like to get it sorted out well and I also think there's a real reality look the way. Our brains are wired. Sometimes they don't allow us to deal with things. The brain compartmentalize is. Lets you focus somewhere else? It's all it's all coping mechanisms on a sliding scale. It makes me so curious though because to your point there's so many people who feel like you're so open like you'll you'll really talk about something in such a deep way because you do. How do you kind of talk between what you talk about with your followers? What you don't like do you worry about sharing. Do you feel like you need to be on all the time. What what is your methodology for how you show up in that space so I am just now learning how to do that and figure that out because it it kind of like when you've got a friend who should be in therapy and treats their friendships like therapy and guess a point where you're like. I can't I can't help you in the way that you need and I think for a long time I I was either in one of two mindsets either I would ignore and not process and not deal with it and like you said like coping mechanism out throw myself into videos and really put myself on so I didn't have to deal with what I was going through and then there were times that I was dealing with so much. I was so overwhelmed that I was like I physically can't physically can't put it on if I do. I know I'm going to do a bad job at it and if I read all these comments of people saying like what's not talking about like. Is anyone noticing her face at like this time stamper any like all of that stuff that I felt like the only time the Times that I've been so honest when I felt like it's like when you want to tell someone you love them for the first time and you're all you're thinking about is saying don't say don't say it's the only word in your head and that's how I felt really shitty. Stop that I was like. I don't know how to turn on a camera and say anything else because my brain as opposed to having all of these tabs open. It's just one thing that I'm so overwhelmed by and I feel like I have to talk about it and I think for a while. I wouldn't say that unloaded online. Like I think I really. I was careful about what I said and really specific about what I said because I was always like I was always kind of. I've always been the share where I like to two steps in. See how it's being received before I dive in because I'm like I can't I can't be exposed invulnerable and then not have someone to be there to catch me. I don't feel comfortable doing that so I think that I would always kind of toe that line of like sharing to an extent that I felt like I could let that out and I didn't I wouldn't feel so exposed and that's what my my therapist that you hate feeling exposed. That is like it's I can't I can't tie it up like I just can't walk around like that because I'm I'm an path and I will I will. I will take shatter. I will be like Santos's snap and I will great into the world. I will just combustion feelings and I hate it and so that has been. It's really took me until I mean a lot of therapy to figure all of it out but really what it took for me was to find that the Internet is a great place for the Internet is not my friend. Those aren't like those are lots of little people who they know me but I don't know them and it's like it's like being in love with a like a celebrity who you've never met before that I don't get anything I can get some messages out of it but I don't know enough about you like I don't know enough about all of these specific people to form this whole relationship like it's just and no matter how much I share. I'm never gonNA feel that sense of connection when I'm just messaging like I'm responding to a comment like if I meet you in person we get to know each other but it's the difference of friendships versus like pen pals or something. That's so detached and it wasn't until I had these good friends in real life and like a good relationship and all of that stuff that I finally could like. See what it was. How did how to have that? Divide and how to be like. Okay what do I WANNA share? And what can I talk about with my therapist? Talk about with my boyfriend and all of that stuff and now when I go online. It's not being afraid of towing the line of not saying too much and being vulnerable because I've already processed it with people and I've already I now coming at it from. I don't want not not as the only know what I'm doing kind of way but a little bit. It's a little bit more clear. And it's a little bit more concise cohesive and I can talk about it without either being so emotionally broken that I'm gonNA burst into tears or not. WanNa talk about it at all and completely like faking it. And I've found that that the more honest that I am with people online the net like I hate the term like relatable because it seems so forced like it feels. Like you're like someone's relatable like they're trying to be relatable but I think like video. I think it was like last week or the week before. And I like left in a clip of me taking my face mask off and like being so upset with myself for picking my skin and I like pick my skin all the time. I can't stop and I just left it in and I was like I. Maybe this is over sharing or whatever but I edit it. I didn't use it as the thumbnail. Didn't make it like this. 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That's not someone's goal and I know that that's not done on purpose. I mean aside from the occasional creepy guy who deserves a punch in the face but what I realize is that in person. The energy the difference in relationship is palpable. Because sometimes I into a person and to them. I'm the most familiar person in the world but to me. This person is a stranger and if we have a conversation online leave a comment and I respond to them. We're having an equal conversation but in person there is this expectation. There's very often like a desire for like intimate touch like Like Strangers Really WanNa hug me and they WANNA hug me in a way that like my friends hug me where we hug and then they like squeeze and and I know that that is not someone trying to make me uncomfortable. But I'm looking at your face and I see it that it makes me uncomfortable. It makes me so uncomfortable because it feels like an intimacy. That has not been earned. Because I don't have that intimacy with this person. I don't know this person and so in a way I feel like I have to. It's almost like I have to buy for Kate and I have to honor the experience. I'm having which is that. I'm physically uncomfortable but I also want to honor the emotional experience and Mike Connection and you know whether it's compliment observation. Whatever I'm on the receiving end of that's also so nice and they're two completely different and almost opposing things and they're happening at the same time and I again I don't. I don't propose that I have some sort of solution. I just think it can be important to acknowledge the reality of this stuff especially as women trying to figure out how to feel respected in our bodies in the world and and so I wonder I guess just meeting you where you are saying like same. You're not alone there. I I wonder how do you feel about your relationships? Perhaps even just in the digital space because obviously it's more complicated in the physical but like in the in the digital space. What is your relationship like with your followers do? Do you find that because of the way you share and the things that you offer. Do they do that back like do they give you advice? What is your community? Feel like does it. Yeah does it feel like a really trusted place for you so I think I mean I literally related to everything that you're saying and I think the thing that I could I I feel all of that and then I feel guilty for feeling that got. The guilt is so intense and it feels it feels like it feels like a dirty emotion that I shouldn't be feeling because we're having the person who I'm meeting is having such a different experience than I am and I am. I'm not I feel the same thing and I think my biggest pressure I've always felt is when people will say things like your videos or whatever you're doing like when I listened to your podcast when I do anything consume any of your content. Like that's like the only that's like my escape from my life when I want to be happy and I'm like that's my life's like that's my lies and my license and escape for you to be happy. What's my escape like? What's how do I find that because I love is that can be? I love when people say that. If that's how you feel about it but I don't more than anything I would rather people consuming content and I think it's it's really changed the more honest that is been in the more open that I've been that now people will say I watch your content and I just the whole time. I'm watching I'm going. Oh my God same. Oh my God saying like I could. I see you in that. And he'll so much so much less pressure because it I think if they had said that like five years ago when I was really faking it till I made it I would have been like. Oh God I don't relate to her like I'm glad you do. But like doc doesn't feel like me so that's hard but I think the same way that like online. I love the relationship I have. I think everybody is so nice. And so sweet. And I've gotten to this point where I feel like every time I get when people want to give me advice. They start with saying feel free to tell me to fuck off like in. These started with like you know your personality and like we know you're not asking for this advice in its unsolicited. So I think the more that they've gotten to know me. I think the more respectful but also the older that they've got like the. I'm really lucky that my audience has grown up with me and I'm not making videos for twelve year olds so that age where it then becomes. Oh we're all in our twenties like it feels a little bit less. I never want to be. Someone's like idol or hero or something because that's like pressure and shoes that I can't sail. I'd rather be someone that you look out and go. Oh my God we could be friends like I like that relationship a lot more. But it's it's it's a hard line to like figure out because I wish I could have like every interaction with like my audience. I wish I could have them all online. And then if I have it in person I wish I had a cheat sheet with everyone's face and their username and their little icon and every interaction. We've had before so I don't so I feel like I'm on an even playing field with them so I don't feel like I'm coming in there as the asshole who is like. Oh I don't remember you but it's like but if I if I was given five minutes like all of the conversations we've had like I totally would but now I just feel like I'm under a microscope and I don't want to disappoint and then I feel like then I just become a character myself and I'm like Ooh I just don't want to be disappointed by who I am in person and that's always been my biggest thing is that and I think it happens so much is that everybody talks about. What are they like in real life in real life they like and you never wanna be that person who sucks in real life and so then you try and turn yourself on to be the version that people see the person that people see are like okay they see you they see you on a TV show on a red carpet? Like all of the best of the best stuff. And then you see them that like Barnes and noble and you're like well now I gotta turn into like me at the Golden Globes. But here like what they know you as an that. I think is really. It's hard but I think it will get easier. Hopefully as the Internet becomes more synonymous with everyone's day to day life. I also think that there. You have to give yourself permission to not feel like you have to live up to someone else's expectation of you because that's not a real thing and that's true whether you're like on TV or on Youtube or you work in an office building like other people's expectations of us as humans are never who we are and and I know that I've had to give myself a little bit of Greece and permission to just be where I am and if I'm having a really bad day if like if I've just gotten a horrible news and I and someone runs up to me five minutes later and I'm trying not to start bawling in public. I'm like I'm so sorry. Today's a bad day and I've had to give myself permission to be human enough to say like I can't. I can't even try to meet your expectation right now and and you know maybe next week. I'll run into somebody and I'll be more than they expected. But you you have to allow yourself to be human and I think that's part of what's interesting about what's happening right now is in a way. It almost seems to me like because of this whole pandemic and all of these stay at home homeworkers. People are being more honest about their mental health. And we're starting to look at each other in in more real and holistic ways people are asking how you are and they actually mean it. People are like how are you like are you okay? Are you sleeping? How's your stress? You know it feels it feels deeper and kinder and I hope that that's something that we can apply to each other again regardless of industry or like quote unquote fame or whatever. That's like I'm not talking about just for you and me. I'm just talking for people out in the world. I hope that those measures of kindness are things that we can hold onto when we start interacting in person again. Yeah no totally again. You're reading micro expressions now you have to like you're only seeing people in these little boxes and stuff like that so you feel like you have to dig deeper because you're not in person with them and like you can't just it feels weirdly so as distant as everything feels it feels also weirdly more intimate and I think it makes us if forces us to face that work tearing a lot more about people which I hope I definitely hope is is a thing. I think it's also teaching. Everybody likes to give themselves more grace. And all of that and because there's no other option now and I think that's what it's like. Oh well I house do like. There's nothing I can really do about it. Like there's some major things out of all of our control and we don't yeah. You don't know how you're going to react to any of this stuff and so it just becomes well. Whatever I'm doing I'm doing and that has to be the right thing because I've never done it before. And so this is there's only one. There's only one way to figure it out. What's it like to be promoting a book right now? Is that a crazy thing in a pandemic it is. It is kind of my dream scenario because I was so honest in the book that like I was. I didn't even WanNa read the audiobook I was like. I'm going to cry the whole time in some random studio in Burbank. With some dude. I've never met before who's GonNa be operating like I hate this. I don't want to do it. And because the pandemic it ended up being one of my best friends who is my podcast producer. She directed it from my apartment and like it was before. Stay at home orders but it was like when we were isolating and so she did it with me and like was there the whole time and it made me feel so much more comfortable but also weirdly the whole time I was. I don't know who I would rather now because I'm like sharing with one of my friends that I like. This is like performing for someone you know versus one person you don't and you're like which is better like I don't know and so it ended up being really great and really nice because I just felt like I felt a lot safer you feel at home but I just. I felt more comfortable here and I also wrote the book here like it. Didn't it's always felt like this very weirdly. Intimate thing lived on my laptop. Like it's never felt like a book or like a real thing that anybody else is going to see like is just always felt so personal and the fact that. I got to record the audio book at home. Felt fitting four something so personal and then. I think the greatest gift of all of this is that I don't have to do reads bookstore first of all. I suck it reading out loud but I was like everyone wants the like. Oh read a chapter about depression. I'm like I'm sorry. You want to read a chapter about depression in front of one hundred people. I've never met before and you don't want me to cry like. There's no way that I can do that so I think it's been. It's been weirdly. Nice that like I think. Also just the timing of the book coming out like it got pushed back a lot of times one time it got pushed back. And you'll love this. I had female editors and publishers at the old place. I was at tell me the title. You're not special was not something of women could do. Because it wasn't nice and only men could get away with it and I went to tell them off immediately. My manager disconnected me from mccollum. She goes yes. We're not going to work with them anymore. But like I just need you to walk away. Walkaway take a deep breath and I was like okay. Good Yeah I don't need to cuss out. All of these people on a phone call like I am so angry. I will lose my mind so we think like the fact that it ended up getting delayed. And there's a whole chapter of like why I don't have a relationship with my mom anymore and it came out like a week before mother's Day and the fact that I got so many messages of people who are like. I didn't know how much I would need this at this time but like any content. When we're stuck at home is great but I think the fact that like the book lends itself to be like more of an intimate thing than something that I would feel kind of like. I'd feel so silly like getting on like a talk. Show wearing fancy dress and like talking about like these really like personal intimate things about my like it just feels. It doesn't doesn't. They never really sat right with me. So I think that's like the one plus side of all of this and I also feel a lot less achey promoting something that is that it doesn't feel frivolous like I think it feels so at least for me. Like from the response gotten it feels so like human and feels so relatable in a sense that it's like there's a lot of mental health talk. There's a lot of like bullying all of these things that it doesn't feel like I'm promoting minute bikini line. We're all stuck inside which feels a lot better for my soul in away. While for the record I love that the title of the Book Is. You're not special thing hugh I think it's easy and it's a good thing and I think people don't and I think I like the idea of people being put off by it at. I like what I'm offended and I was like. Yeah it makes you pick it up and then see why and then you realize you're not special. It's a good thing like it's a it's a great thing to not be special in this instance like it's it's it's what you WanNa be like you don't want all of struggles and all the things you've gone through and you don't want someone to go. Wow I've never been through that I feel you're the only person in the world has ever. That's ever happened to that. Makes me feel awful. I the only one like. It's not a good feeling. It's actually really nice to realize that whatever it is you carry. There's a lot of other people out there carrying the same things and and we can relate on that level if we're willing to get real exactly the process of writing a book and getting introspective as you did and sharing as much as you did and I'm sure everyone listening is like ready to read it. I wonder what 'cause I imagine? There's so much processing work that goes into that and you you must sort of feel like a new version of yourself on the other side of completing it so if you could leave my listeners with a lesson or a piece of advice that you feel like you you from that process what would it be. Oh I think it's that we're never done and like we're never we never have it figured out and I learned that through. I've been writing the book for like five years and I'm going back to the same stories of toxic friendship when I was in high school. And it's not like when I was editing. It I was like the two years ago or I'm halfway through my. Oh I need to add a news story. It was no. I'm still learning from that thing that happened when I was sixteen and I think I spent so long wanting to be done with the things that I hated and like done with the traumas and done with the stuff that like weighs on you in doesn't feel good and like those bad experiences. You WanNa be done and I thought I wasn't done that. I needed to keep putting the work into eventually be done and I was like okay but if I get rid of all of that stuff then like what am I like. I'm not the things that have happened to me but like that's molded. Who I am as a person these experiences and if I got rid of all of them like what's left because I am a byproduct of the choices. I've made like the relationships that I've had like the life experiences that I've had and if I'm trying to get rid of them that's I am who I am because of them and also in spite of that like there are things that have shaped me like that and it was such A. It's a lesson I still that. That's all okay to keep learning from it and to keep everything open and that I'm not gonNA has it all figured out and that's really really really going to be fine and I think also that I don't my the other. It the other one which is just like an add on his is to just trust yourself. Which I think is such a like an ongoing lesson. We're learning and you think it's so easy they got. I trust myself but it's bigger than just like don like normally just not questioning everything you say and do but also going. Did I interpret that the right way or it's a great way to interpret it. How it made me feel was how I felt and one of the lines that people have resonated with. I mean there's a couple of vulgar funny lines. They've resonating with like one. That was like your feelings are valid because you feel that like if you feel something that's like that's ends that's it that's all that matters. It exists out there because it makes you feel a certain way and I think all of those I think even that and I wrote that and I was in one of the earliest chapters. I don't think that I gave myself the opportunity to believe that about myself until I was done writing it that I was like everything that I've felt. All my feelings are going to change over time. They're going to change. I'm going to feel different. Things GonNa feel certain things. And it's and it's fine and it's not you can close those doors of whatever's happened in your life experiences but you're not gonNa ever be able to pad padlock them up and walk away and have them never exist ever again. They're gonNA come up and it's about learning how to process it and deal with it and take the lessons that you've learned and channel them for good in your life and figuring all of that stuff out and I think I thought for a long time being like feeling those things made you weak and if you couldn't get over something you're week and it's like okay but then there's this really good place of this is something that doesn't actively bring me down every single day but if I think about it it hurts and it wasn't a great experience but like and then there's the getting over at thing and that in between thing that's where everyone's at but no one's telling us that and now was such a powerful thing for me to think that like oh I'm not broken and there's not all missing this piece that I'm supposed to be doing to be over all of this stuff like I need to like it's coping and learning how to process versus just trying to shut everything away and be done and that's such a a tray that I'm used to of trying to rush through things and have it be done and be finished like it's okay also to be unfinished as a person and that's a good thing because I don't always like who I am at all times of the day forever and that's it's it's great that I then have the opportunity in the power to grow and change and it's a good thing which was hard for me to record giants. Yeah I think it's a phenomenal thing to give yourself permission to always get better and and grace for the moments when you feel like you're backsliding. Yeah and it happens to everybody. Yeah well it feels like the most appropriate segue into my very favorite question to ask everyone which is as you know. The title of the podcast is work in progress. And what as you sit from this vantage point today and look out and maybe look in? What feels like a work in progress in your life right now. Oh I think probably the biggest thing is like my own relationship with myself which as an only child an MP was. I'm I'm so much more about everybody else and have always been about making everybody else feel comfortable and like then fitting myself in wherever I fit in and I've always I've loved all of the make the all the phrases and sayings about like women making room for themselves and giving themselves permission to take up room and I think that's a work in progress for me because I think I mean it's unlearn. Earning like we talked about the beginning. You know the pink tax all the stuff about weed. What we've been taught for women to feel like I didn't know what hip dips were until I like saw instagram and I was like I'm supposed to dislike us like what. What even are they like that kind of stuff that I. It's a work in progress with yeah focusing on my relationship with myself in being okay with being like an incomplete human being and that. I'm going to constantly grow and evolve in change and be okay with all of that and then finding a way to not be happy all that you go. I just WANNA be happy all the time and I was like well. No I want to be able to appreciate those moments when I'm really happy and recognize them and I wanna get better at finding at focusing on that kind of stuff and not and not the stuff that takes you down and brings you down. I would say all of that and yeah as I think everyone says as you get older you start to care a little bit less about what everybody thinks. And I've always struggled the most with caring about what I think about myself and so I was like and loss with other people think I'm caring too much about what I think about things so for me. It's an it's an active work. In progress. I have to seek out content and seek out art like like just anything that makes me think about my relationship with myself in a better and more positive way because it's not something that comes naturally and it's also we just like pay attention to the media is the exact opposite effect. I it's it's like it's a real work work like I have to go out of my way to work on but yeah it's it's a work in progress. I love that my gosh. Megan thank you so much. I'm I'm really excited to have this conversation today. And and I'm glad that we now are like connect the same. Yeah we're the same I love. This show is executive produced by me. Sophia Bush and Sim Arna. Our supervising producer is Alison Bresnik. Our associate producer is Caitlin Lee. This episode was edited by Matt's sake and our music was written by Jack. Garrick and produced by Mark Foster. This show is brought to you by cloud ten and brilliant anatomy powered by simple cast.

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Sophia Bush

The Barneys Podcast

22:50 min | 2 years ago

Sophia Bush

"I'm Cindy Levy. And this is the Barneys podcast, the show that celebrates fashion style culture. But most of all the personalities who create those things every single day. So feel Bush has been a TV force ever since she started in the teen drama, one tree hill America watched as the character, she played on the show. Brooke Davis became more outspoken, and political. I was like, we have to say inspiring things to girls. I did not sign up to do the opposite of that Sofia has gone on to star in movies and have lead roles on other network dramas including the upcoming surveillance will never buying into the idea that actors have to stay in their lane. She's a proud feminist outspoken advocate, on many issues, and his always vocal about getting people out to vote. I've known Sophia for years. But this was the first time I had the chance to interview her. So when we sat down there was a lot on our minds voting friendship and the anniversary of the me too movement. But we started where we always do on this show. What are you wearing today? Sophea bush. We're in the midst of. Of campaigning, and hoping that we get to save the world. I'm in my sort of ninety s combat boot, it's like empire records meets rage. Fashioning is my mood lately. I think that his many women's mood right now. Tell me about your button because I know it's the most important thing on your outfit. Oh, yes. So we launched this, I am a voter pen and t shirt, and we identify as so many things in our society. But we don't dente fi as voters but I want people to be as proud that they are voters as they are proud that they have faith or family, or whatever the things are we loved to talk about what we should love to be engaged. I should love to be literally standing up for what is right. And literally telling our representatives, they need to represent us. So you've probably seen them everywhere, which has been very I have Oliver Instagram. Yeah. It's been very cool. Yeah, but I think that's interesting. Because you're saying, you know, we're sometimes taught we shouldn't talk about politics, right? That it's going to be divisive, and so forth. But this is an aspect of the political process that it's so important to be open about, and it's important to think about messaging, and we've we have received a lot of messages. Like you said, it's not polite to be political that speaks to me to these generations of messaging that have been put upon women in particular sit still be pretty be nice. Make your husband happy, take care of other people, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like all of these terrible messages that tell us to be small and this notion that being political isn't polite really is about shrinking your beliefs, and then what it does subconsciously as tells you the story that your beliefs are really that important that voting doesn't really matter that you just one person. You can't really make a difference. You're somebody who has this. Out of out size image to a lot of young people because of your role. First of all, on one tree hill, where, you know, an entire generation of girls and young women. You know, one of them my fifteen year old daughter lives in my household, and I know you know, how much that whole generation reveres. You, did you feel it was particularly important to use your voice on this issue voting. Because you have a chance to actually say to people who are maybe voting for the first time. Hey, this matters, pay attention yet. It's so interesting that show is really something so special I keep joking that, you know, in Matthew mcconaughey says in dazed and confused. I keep getting older, but they stay the same age, like that's what's happening with one tree hill. If it keeps living lives. And so I jumped that all of us in the cast, you know, we're all getting older volving doing other things, but we have this constant swath of fifteen to twenty year old fans that just keep coming all. Thank you net flicks, right? Yeah. Because they're all rediscovering it, it's so cool. That it's meaningful to them. And I think what's interesting is because I am so much who I am an activist and an outspoken advocate and fighter for things that became part of my characters identity on one tree hope Mark Davis became a fighter because I think the writers realized it was easier to start including messaging for her than it was to fight me on why they weren't. It always pays to be a squeaky wheel. I recommend it. You know, I was like we have to say inspiring things to girls. I did not sign up to do the opposite of that known. They got sick of my impassioned speeches about what a platform means will find just do it. Fine whatever. And so it's been really special to see that, that girl finding her ways, inspired other girls, and boys to, to know that they can't to. And so to me when we talk about young people in voting. I look at them, and I'm like, guys, you wouldn't listen to your mom, or my mom or our grandma grandparents tell you about how to live how to dress. What color today your hair? How many piercings are tattoos? You can and cannot have you wouldn't listen to them about fashion. You wouldn't listen. You wouldn't listen to them about anything, but you're going to let them pick the leaders that will shape your life, your student debt, your healthcare access your ability to eventually buy a house in pay more. Mortgage your entire future, rests in the hands of people, and you're not telling them what you want. I want to talk a little bit about your TV roles because we've basically been a presence on TV since two thousand and three when one tree hill started a ran for nine years. There's huge fan fiction sites devoted to it now entire Oetzi shops of one tree hill. Memorabilia, then you did you know, several years stint on Chicago PD. And now you're coming back, which I think a lot of people are incredibly excited about. So how did you choose the role in surveillance? I spent the summer just catching up on, on sort of fifteen years of missed experiences, and then I entered into my working partnership with twentieth century, which is so exciting to, to go and start working at a studio. And suddenly, there's all of these things to read and oh my God. I mean I read and I read and I read and I read and I. Read, and I read for months. And so I would read things and go like, yeah, this is good. But something in my gut would be like. Just this little voice, it wasn't even words, it was just like. And I started trying to listen to that. So it was the first time in my life. Good life, by the way. Yeah. That was always always knows. So you read all these scripts, and you weren't feeling that, you know, this is this is this is isn't feeling. I didn't have the poll really. But there was this one script, I kept thinking about, and the irony was that it didn't fit for me. It was a script written about a woman who's a decade ahead of where I am in her life. And all of these things couldn't stop thinking about it. And, and it was like a light bulb went off and I thought to myself. Oh, I actually can change that. This is what I've been working for, for fifteen years. Plenty of us have seen the woman who's a total bad ass when she's forty five and running everything, and we go, that's how I wanna be. But who was that woman at thirty five right before a bad ass? Yeah. Yeah. Was she when she was on her way? Where's the interim? Right. So is that what the show is focusing on now? Tell us a little bit about the so we, we rewrote the show and I got. To sit in and really rework it and work on the way that she speaks and talks and acts and thinks about things, and we really started getting to the heart of who this woman is when you're the head of public relations and communication for the NSA you are the public face of the government's most private agency. What does that mean and the woman who we base her very loosely on is a woman who had that job and was this wildly? Interesting hawkish charming woman who would sit she was the kind of lady had be like Iran PR. I don't even know what they do back there. And then you'd realize she reported directly to the head of me as I say, totally new they did directly to the head of the NSA and directly to the president of the United States, and like there's photos of her in the situation room with the president, and you're like, oh, right, right, right right, right. Got it. So you've spent time with that. NSA agents in prep for this. I actually not yet I've spent a lot of time with government agents more CIA now, this is the world that, are you allowed to tell me this? I mean I'm like, what exactly my allowed to say they're listening anyway. So who cares? But. Stop listening. Please stop listening to me Siri, go to sleep but that's the world were I'm getting into now. And it is very fascinating. Yeah. And what difference does it make that your producer noun? I so exciting and, you know, I've always been quite curious about how systems work. I think it's why I'm so fascinated by politics and policy. I, I really like to understand how things fit how the machine functions best. And so back when we were shooting one tree hill in North Carolina. It was a really special time. And you know, obviously fraught with all kinds of craziness for all of us. But I started going to production meetings a lot. I started going on tech scouts the last three seasons of that show actually directed which was really fun. And for me, I realized how much I loved all the other elements. So as a director as, as a an actor who was shadowing my producers I, I tried to learn as much as I could there and from there. When I went to Chicago. There was certainly more to learn there. But I was also much more restrained than I had been before as far as you know, what as actors we were allowed to do, and so leaving Chicago and really assessing. What historically I've loved at work. What I've not both technically personally professionally, all of it, it was very important to me to start thinking about how to have a seat at that, tallest table, if you will, and I can be an advocate for myself and other actors I can be an advocate for my crew. But that only goes so far, when you don't get in the room with them, you know, the room where the planning is done the room, where the meetings are done. And so for me, I knew that I wanted to be producing from here on out on, on my next show. And to me the. Thing that's most interesting. And I think the reason I really wanted to do this show. My favorite shows have been the Americans homeland scandal. I mean those are my shows, right? And for me, I'm like they're all very done. Wait. What where all my shows going, and I realized I needed to make the next one because if there's something in the world that you're missing other people are probably missing it too. And, and the smart investigative political thriller is something I think we all love and we love to see that world with the backdrop of a real person, and a real family. And that's what my character is an has. Okay. I cannot wait to watch this just like I can't tell you how excited I am about it. It gives me this feeling in my body. It like it's swells up in my body. I feel like my skin's going to burst. It'd be like, there's not enough room in my physical person for all of the excitement that I feel about this thing. And those of you listening and you can't see there's a lot of. Major hand gestures happening here the Italian the Italian and this and that. So you were talking before about what it means to you to now, be at this table where you are the person who is creating the workplace culture on your new show, and how you've learned from both what you've enjoyed about past sets and what you, haven't you referred to, you know, some, I think the word you used was fraught times at one tree hill. And of course, we know that you in a number of your other colleagues on that show women colleagues on that show spoke up about the sexual harassment and the overall climate that you were enduring. Can you tell us a little bit about what you end your female colleagues, many of your female colleagues experienced from the show's creator, Mark Sean one tree Hill's an interesting example, because? You know, when they say, like it was the best of times in the worst of times we filmed in North Carolina are writer's room was here in LA. So we had large chunks of time where we were just free and having a great time, and then you would know that Mark was coming to town and everybody would be like, here we go and you'd roll your eyes, and whatever, and it was not. Okay. Like he was very overt in appropriate with me in the beginning of the first season, and I hit him in front of a group of people you hit him. I hit him. Yeah. Like heart. It was a reaction. And by the way, I think about it, and I was so green, you know, I was so young and so new and I, I didn't even know that, that was a risk to my job. But he grabbed you like, physical grabbed full grope like wildly inappropriate. I then Lille much later learned about other people who he turned attention to and how horrible he was to Hillary in. In that interim between season one and Hillary Burton. Yes. I mean horrible horrible horrible to deniro like horrible. I mean new came downstairs, one morning for her pickup to go get in a car defied Wilmington, because she was at the time, not having to live there. She was fighting back and forth and he'd cancelled her car pickup and was outside of her house in his car like hammered an aggressive and saying, like they needed to talk, and he was taking her to the airport, and they were gonna fly together. And she was like this is unsafe. And then it was reigned in, and then whatever, happened, the, the sort of obsessive nece and the backsliding like that really that was so over to all of us around season five was, like, whoa. And then it became like how do we as a group of women be protection squad for other women? One of the most powerful things. I heard you talk about in discussing that was that it made you understand how wrong that question. Why doesn't she leave? Why doesn't she do something is can you can you talk a little bit about that? Yeah. It's not our responsibility. Every single woman who is spoken to or groped or gestured at or has lewd suggestions made to her or receives late night. Text messages from her creepy. Married boss, our response, just hypothetically hypothetically, not hypothetically. It's not our responsibility to quit our job, because he can't get his shit together. It's his responsibility to be a leader. Right. And if you're a bad leader, then you need to be sanctioned chastised punished, whatever or you should go. It's not up to us to go. One of the things I've seen. That's interesting. Is that people will say, oh, why are, why are all these people still talking about it? And what I realize is that when we're trying to close the gap between the reality of experienced abuse, and what people perceive to be abuse in the world. Around them. The unfortunate truth is that women have to keep telling their stories because not telling them has created this massive chasm between perception and reality. Right. And so we have to stand in the reality of these experiences and talk about them until we change the culture that permits them in the first place. So it's important for me to talk about what happened to all of us with Mark, Sean, it's important for me to. To have left my last job, which made marshawn look. I mean it was like rustling with a dragon made Mark Schwan look like a puppy like it. It's important for me to talk about it. Because if I don't speak it other women don't speak it, and the men in the co workers, and the other women in our lives, even don't hear it, and it becomes easy to say, that's not really reality. But in actual reality, the truth is far worse than people seem to understand. We're now over a year since the beginning of the new metoo movement. I think there's a conventional wisdom out there that, you know while we've gotten a lot done. We've really changed the culture and all these all these bad guys have been toppled you know, if I look even a little. Yeah. I mean, even looking at your own, you know, personal career trajectory, right? The, the record on these guys is, is mixed. I mean, the one tree hill creator was after the group of you came forward and made known what had happened on that set was removed from a subsequent job. But your co star on Chicago PD was investigated for anger management and was reported to have been looked at for sexual harassment as well. He's still on that show. How do you feel? We're doing. I don't feel like we're doing a whole lot. When you look at my former co worker retaining a job and still being a big face on a billboard on Chicago PD after what was done to many of us me worst. Sure. But many of us, but no. I don't think things are really changing, like Tracy Ellis. Ross is on the cover of in style right now, but she still had to fight pay disparity on her. Set in twenty teen, she's still not being paid. What men are being paid sh-? We've talked about me, too, but Mira, Sorvino, doesn't get her career back. You know, women are still being punished all of the time for speaking up for speaking out, and for me all of this circles back to the purpose in being a producer and what will be different about my set, then a set that might be run by probably plenty of lovely men is that the big first day speech that I give to my crew will be about intention, energy, positively and integrity and what will you say to them, like, what are the words that you will say to them about what you want them to feel. I know that at its best our business while exhausting. I know that a set can feel fulfilling. Inspiring cathartic beautiful. It can really have the commodity of a band of brothers. You know that you're here for your people. I want my set to feel like a trust fall, and I want every single person on the set to know that if anything happens that makes them uncomfortable. We're going to talk about it, and we're going to do something about it. There is a sacredness and I respect that I will require, and then I will show to everyone. And if that is violated, it's not gonna be like a cute reprimand, everything will be taken very seriously and in VAT in knowing that your that safe. Now go play 'cause you don't have to be scared. You don't have to be locked up. You don't have to be worried. We're going to be that safe period. End of story, ladies and gentlemen, this dream of a better world has been brought to you by the one and only Sophia Bush who's gonna help us get there. So thank you. You so much. Thank you. Sophia Bush is an actor in an activist you can follow her. If you don't already on Twitter and Instagram. The Barneys podcast is produced by Bernie's, and transmitter media or associate producer is all coming, all at a sui, and we were edited by Caitlyn Pierce, the executive producer of the Barneys podcast is Gretta Cohn. If you like what you hear rate and review the show, it helps other people find us. Thanks for listening. And by the way, this is our last episode of season two and it's been an amazing season. We learned about uniforms from Tom Brown. We heard Kelly, Rowland saying, cried, along with Alexander Wang and Victoria. Beckham showed us another side of herself. If you missed any of those episodes, please listen now and stay subscribe to the feed for season three coming soon. One more thing, the holidays are around the corner and this year. Barneys has partnered with save the children for a campaign called make change. I'm really proud to be part of it myself. And Barney's is asking people to share the hashtag, sentiments with a C on Instagram. They'll donate five dollars for each post to save the children to support quality early education. What message do you think is important this holiday season, especially as it relates to children? And if they're young people listening, so much of my personal activism is inspired by children and by use their, their everything. They're the future, all of this matters because it's the world we're leaving behind for our children. And here's here's going to be my ask to everyone listening when you post about this hashtag sentiment with a C 'cause sense. Get it sense out up, two dollars change the lives of children. That's a really easy way to make the sharing you'll do anyway, active and to actually share with kids innate supporting save. The children is great. Thanks for listening and happy holidays.

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Sophia Bush

Pretty Big Deal with Ashley Graham

42:11 min | 1 year ago

Sophia Bush

"As always this episode is sponsored by my Go-to stop for all things makeup revlon. Hey everybody everybody. I'm Ashley Graham and this is pretty big deal. Where confidence is key? Every episode I gets picked the brains of brilliant inspiring honest new new and old friends. Who are a pretty big deal? Today we are talking to a force to be reckoned with Sophia Bush so if he is an actress activist and host of the work in progress. PODCAST podcast. She's an outspoken. Change aged taking on the entertainment industry and the world at large heat. If you want okay well I mean if you want yeah no seriously if you want my shoots or whatever you want you off who cares looking at acute care not bad just like I have this creepy person on twitter. Who likes to message me about your feet of my own feet which is weird so now? I'm like sort of self conscious about my own. I totally get it weird people on instagram. That post my feet and I'm like what is it because like I don't have like a particularly special foot. It's just link feet now. It's just a kind of a brick but the came to mind are your feet swollen with. Oh my gosh we just just how to pair of shoes on the strap was very tight across the last week. It wasn't as tight. It's the things that happened. Just wait. You'll say I mean okay game. Oh my gosh. Thank you for being on pretty big deal over having saying backstage how. I'm always so happy when I see things because you know events are weird. I don't know if you feel that I still have so much time in those rooms or I'm just what's going on here. What does everybody doing? And and you're always one of those people who are like well. We have so much to talk about doing a lot of things a lot of things. Yeah and you have a lot of activism going going on which I'm just like she's a care what anybody says. She doesn't care what you think. She's going to speak her mind. Yeah and I want to talk about that. I WANNA get into that but I I. It all began in North Carolina head on the set of one tree hill. Wow what was that like because you were here you are. Are you playing Brooke. And all of a sudden you're like morphing into kind of the woman you are today but I wanna talk about that whole process. All of this is so strange. Strange you know the the world of I think the world of making things is incredible and I think the things that come with it can be a little bit bizarre and and you know I was a journalism student at USC going on auditions and driving my poor team crazy. Because I would say you know I can work on spring break break or or in the summer and I remember my agent at the time saying you can't treat your career like an extracurricular activity but I was a kid. I was a student so to me it was an extra curricular activity and then I booked this fulltime job and had to in the span of three weeks. Pick up and move across the country entry and I'm from La born and raised here so it was really weird for a little bit of a culture shock. Yeah and it was also so and look. It's not to say that there are not problems here. In the city there are problems for people everywhere. But in this sort of state of blissful unawareness that I experienced when I was how old was I twenty twenty one. I looked at L. A.. Is this really fun. Melting Pot and everybody kind of runs into everybody they got to this little town on the south and I was like Oh people here a racist. There was all this stuff that I'd never experienced before. And there were these weird phrases that these kind of like. Oh good ole boy southern dudes would say in the way that they would talk to me as a young woman and an and the really intense sort of segregation of that space. It felt really shocking to me and obviously in the last fifteen years of really diving into advocacy. I've learned so much about the systems that make those things things the way they are but at the time I remember just the culture shock so not only. Was it the moving. Then you're on a set sixteen eighteen eighteen hours a day. You have to be a professional. You're here now. You're in an environment kind of like this. There's two hundred people working on the other sides of the cameras and we were all twenty one. We were like so excited to get actually legally order beer. We know what we were doing. And we were responsible for a television vision series and for people's jobs and it was. It was wild. Jeez but it was like you. You literally left. La and you came into this whole new world but you could feel the difference and feeling the difference made you want to bring more of WHO Sophia is into burks character. Yeah for sure I brought a lot. I fought a lot with the writers I was luckily I was sort of unaware of of the power dynamics namic at play and I would just say things I'd be like I'm not doing US stop rating scenes. Oh yeah the there. Was this sort of really weird thing. I mean you look back at it at the time. I didn't realize how inappropriate it was but again this is a long time ago. I remember my boss kept writing scenes for me to be in my underwear and I was like I'm not doing this. This is inappropriate like I don't think this is what we should be teaching sixteen year old girls to be doing and to be seeking validation this way and he was A. You're not sixteen and I said but I'm playing sixteen and if you want somebody to do it so badly get somebody else to do it. And he literally said to me. You're the one with the big fucking rack. Everybody wants to say and I was like what I'm not doing it. I remember. I showed up in the next episode in a Turtleneck just sort of to be spiteful I was like this is how I'm gonNA dress us on the show from now on if you don't separating these scenes I was really ballsy and I didn't even know it just wasn't wanting to perpetuate I chew it this sort of behavior that I didn't think was appropriate so that was sort of on the serious like that was me Joan of arc gang and then there was also this catchphrase. That Brooke Davis had where she she bounce up to people and go. Hi Friend and I put that in the show because my college roommate alley and I used to say that to each other like on the USC campus. We'd run up to each go. Hi Friend came Brooks Catchphrase. I was like thank you for writing crowd so you really did see a lot of yourself and your character yeah. I really struggled to relate to so many things about her that I had to do so much work to feel like I could play her and something something about that. Over the years the show brought us closer and closer together but yeah there were ways that she would behave and things that she would say things that she would do. The I don't know if I ever her but in some ways we were really so interesting. How do you care for a role like that? I'm not an actress in any way shape or form. I'm really good at being myself. And like you know. I've got my goofy stuff my Syria self. You know all those things but it's always me I can't imagine being someone else in portraying that how do you prepare her is is. It's so weird because it's become so second nature to me that it's hard for me to think about how I do it really but I always. Oh my God I mean for me if there was like a chart by which you could follow him and act like we would all be academy the everything just started by getting hot in the face. Big little lies like never hated someone as much as I the book she made my skin crawl and also I just wanted to hang out with her and like figure out why should be that way anyways preparing for roles. That's that's really. Is You have to figure out why someone behaves a certain way And you have to figure out for me. At least my process is always. What am I really say a because if you and I are shooting conversation that scripted and you ask me ask me how are you how are you? I'm fine. You're like Oh that person's not fine but asked me how are you. How are you grey like those are two and the second version of that is I have so many things that's how you I'm so excited and like I met someone who's amazing? You know that could be the character's motivation but someone who's really struggling when they say like I'm fine and you Osu did they do that and there's also someone on twitter who like constantly because when I cry and I'm like cool 'cause I can control the muscular of my face Frio. I hate twitter. I know but that's paying is always think about what's going on under the words so so that the words have more meaning than just a wines of dialogue as interesting were is definitely case by case. Obviously yeah so he had. This conversation is so good it just give me two seconds. Isn't it crazy how hard it is to just plan a celebration of love. Zola makes wedding planning easier and less stressful with a wedding websites registries invites and a guest list manager all in one place they even have hundreds of free website designs to choose from Zola. Ella is the highest rated registry of all time plus they have beautiful and affordable invites and paper for your wedding bill. 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And someone said like overnight success to come and gone on additions for twelve years and I used to live in my car you know I've been in the space of advocacy for so long. But for me the deep Brinda Breguet into it more and more I want to do and I think there was a period when one tree hill was first on the kind of attention and tabloid culture and Double Standard for women. And all this weird stuff I was experiencing was just so ugly. They made me not want to be out there anymore than I was being forced to be or even being out in pages of things against my will in certain ways right and then what I realized I was working with this amazing environmental advocacy group for a long time and and I realized that sort of showing up but not really being proactive in ways to speak up besides when I was in the room was actually silencing my voice and and wasn't using my platform to the best of my ability and then I was like Oh best like that was a moment where I was like. I'M GONNA burn down and that really changed everything for me starting to really figure out ways to use the privilege of have a platform to offer windows into the access that I had because I go to all of these incredible conferences and this is since way back in the day before before the conference circuit was a thing I was just going to conferences and people friends. Now Make Fun of me. And they're like God when we were in our early twenties and you would be like there with a notebook we were like. Why isn't that girl from teeny so weird? They're like just being the front like taking notes and drawing diagrams and I still do but everyone was like are you okay. Hey you had a golden Globes party like miss learning about ocean science care thing so in a way it's allowed me to remain a student and the depth that I choose to go in in the learning into data and and in social science research and in looking at these big of inheritance systems systems whether their systems of oppression for women systems of oppression for people of color or systems of oppression for the environment. That learning feels like such a responsibility such privilege and and really is the thing that fills me as a person because my job fills me in the bucket of my career tall stories. But your career is you know it's such a small part of who you are the thing that you do things like this. Yeah so this is the stuff that I eh fuels and that fuels I love that. Where did you get the conviction to say? I'M GONNA put my mark in this world I think honestly I've just just been so mad and motivated. It's not like negative but I actually think my what made you so mad. I don't mean your your your like you I mean can I say it like. Ah You're white privilege you're in Hollywood. But what was it that hit home for you. My Mom says that my family called me Joan of Argon the crate all I have always been really on fire about defending people or places that deserve protection. It don't get it and I think that a big part of my learning has been learning how to channel sacred rage. I think we all have it. Glennon doyle talks about that term a lot like what. What is that thing that lights that fire inside of you? I don't think that that kind of rage sacred rage mad about something that's bad. I think that's beautiful. I think that that's that that for me equates to passion and so the things that made me so mad historically when I would really get underneath that when I would look at environmental environmental devastation. I would look at how it affects communities in particular low income communities communities of Color and women when you look at disparity in the education system. Does it affect all the same people. When you look? And it's like I came into the world in a certain level of privilege I understand the oppression. I've experienced a woman in this world as is a sensitive person in this world and I know how shit it's been for me and the idea that my friend is going to get worse because she wasn't born white that makes me enraged aged. I'm like this shit is hard enough without all of these other things happening to be bought and and I think it strange when the world has behaved in a way that tells us well. It's not your problem. Your problem is my problem. Our Liberty is bound together. Not Everybody thinks that way. Sure but then I'm like do some research read a book I give like. There's a place to go. What I think is beautiful in the dumpster? Fire that is. Our current political landscape is at least bad. People are waking up to the reality that this sort of white since gender and Hetero Normative Patriarchy has nothing for them. People everywhere are suffering for hang and it's our job to take up space and demand change. That's a great answer so we supposed to be doing you know I mean. I think that you've just you've just educated yourself so well throughout all of it that it's like how can you not listen. How can you stand back and not use your voice who inspires you when Gosh so many people some of my closest friends i? I'm so tremendously inspired by my best friend. Yeah my best aspirin. Well it's like the people closest to the people closest to me are a well of inspiration for me and then I look around the world you know I look at my friend Glenn. And what she's doing with her platform as a writer and with her wife Abby and the and the firestorm that abby helped start winning the last World Cup beginning to pave the way for our current soccer occur stars. You know the Megan Repeat House. And how Morgan Ashland Harris's it's like with those women are doing with their mantle and the friendships. We've all bill out of this activists space ace. I'm endlessly inspired but endlessly inspired by my friend. Brittany Pack Net who is a former educator and teacher on race and inclusivity and a public speaker in his first book. Come out like she is a lifeline for me you know and then of course it's like I don't know who's not inspired by override Michelle Obama and and and even looking at Chelsea handler is up to in the world. She has this big successful comedy career. She doesn't need to do any work for anybody and she woke up and was like I have all all this privilege. And how do I change that right. And you know went out and wrote a book about exposing a mental health crisis and co-dependency and looking at race and everybody no matter what stage they're out in their lives has the opportunity to create more change now than they might have created. I'm glad you said that because because I think there's a lot of young people who are super overwhelmed with how you and what to do and I WANNA propose the question to you is like what can can those young people do. That are feeling overwhelmed in society that we're living in today society's overwhelming from the position that people like us it in where a lot of young people and I'm sure you experienced this with the people who follow you because you know I come on things which means I see how people like screaming at you on Instagram. which is like clapping? You know young people look at people like you people like me and they go when I get there this when I get there. I won't and I won't feel bad. I feel depressed feeling great. And it's like I've never there will never be a point where you wake up and you're just like Oh my God from from today forward. I'm amazing forever right. That doesn't happen and I think for us. It has to be about sharing the skills and the ways that we cope with overwhelm and the ways as that we figure out how to Channel Our sacred age the ways that we figure out how to show up and speak up when needed and shot up and learn when needed and as a big lesson. The young people need to learn to just understand that their voice will be heard in time. But to listen in the meantime and I think it's really about doing both you know we need them to be so young and bowl. That's right actually. Because there's the young environmentalist Gra. I mean Jeez. Yeah I think I teared up a few times and some of her speeches. I mean there's so much change that she's creating so we live. We need her idealism and we need her fight but again she chooses to learn. She's chosen to educate yourself when you look at all of the kids from Marjory Stoneman Douglas and what they've done with March for our lives. They are out there causing causing mass change but they're also sitting at the feet of experts and learning and I think it's really important that all of us learn how to really he put ourselves out there and also really learn from people who can teach us because if you do all of one or the other we're not going to progress yeah I think for young people. It's follow people. You Trust unfiled everyone who makes you feel bad about yourself. You don't have to follow the people who give you that horrible. Comparison plague comparison is the thief of joy. It ruins everything like that and this is another thing that my friend Ghana says is. Don't compare your insights to somebody else's outsides. Yes because however you're feeling in here and then you're looking through your phone. You assume nobody else could be feeling what you feel. Yes so when I want for young people is for them to know how valuable they are. How powerful they already are and at your power really only can be executed upon when you educate yourself yourself and you show up from a place of prioritizing the community over the south prioritizing the community over yourself wow sophia Bush you so many like tweeden moments I appreciate? I appreciate that so you've had a lot of experience in front of the camera behind the camera and I WanNa talk to you about your goals now walking into directing and producing. What are you doing? It's such a wild experience experience I started directing actually in the last couple of seasons of one tree hill because our show is on for so long I wanted new challenges. Did you say hey I want to direct. Yeah Okay Yeah. That's great. It was cool and I had been tagging along to production meetings and budget meetings and listening to notes calls and again you kind of have have to show up. You have to prove your value before you ask for value. That's another thing that's important for young. I really we made it clear that I wanted to do it. And I worked really closely closely with a camera department producing director on sad and I had such a good experience. There's always more to learn and so now getting into this space where I'm looking at things. I might want to go direct. What show do I want to show up on for two weeks of that and developing projects? And it's weird because you know boost. WHO's this creative universe that we work in holds no guarantees and there are some things where I'm like? This is the best idea ever. This will be the best show ever in someone's like there's really a market for that because because somebody tried that three years ago and it failed. Everyone's afraid and I'm like well stop being afraid. I'm not afraid right but then you go so then I'll bring the other idea and so the back again that nobody sees is the number of sessions with writers and production meetings and meetings at studios in meetings with development hat. It's a slog to figure out which thing you will eventually be able to make into a project. Someone see I also really love it. I love it. And it's like documentary. humanitary series comedies. And there's a book that I just optioned the rights to to adapt to make bio-pic is a feature and there's so much stuff yeah but who knows what it'll via. I don't know all right. Just hold that thought. If there's one thing I love more than shopping it's saving online. Shopping is supposed to be easy but it can almost must be impossible to find valid coupons and that is where honey comes in. Honey is a free online shopping tool that automatically finds the best promo codes and applies Zim to your cart. 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The thing that I arrest on is being hiber educated in the room. Because you get hard to ignore if you're speaking the truth and you're speaking facts your hard to ignore ignore if you know how to back up an argument my dad. Oh Yeah my dad was like. I can't believe you and maybe I will be who knows I was just about to say always always good good and I think having a community that you trust because we've all been in positions where we've been disrespected you know in the workplace and I think having people that you can go to is really important and if you WanNa have people you can go to union to be the kind of person people come to so what happened even in your experience with Chicago. PD Yeah. It was bad you weren't respected in the in the scenario and then even when you laugh yeah it was really rough and it's interesting. Can you tell everybody at home what had happened. I was going through my own personal like me to how at work And I spent a year working on getting off that show. You spent a whole year trying to get off of the show. 'cause you as an actor you sign a six year contract so your network and your show essentially own you saw And I left after four years I had to get out of my contract. Two years early I left it. It was April of that year in the whole Harvey Story broke in July. I was fighting this battle with no cultural conversation about this in the industry story in just a few months later. Yeah it was really interesting and I think about like man. There's some people on that side who are just like breathing a sigh of relief Which is unfortunate? But it's been a weird thing because you realize how quickly if you stand up for yourself you can become the the enemy and for whatever reason the men who behave in these ways get branded as old school or you know difficult difficult or different. They were given a second chance for me. My experience was in standing up for myself. I got listen to for a moment and then it was clear that I was going to back down about it and then I became the enemy. Your the problem. You're the troublemaker. And I thought wow it's so interesting met in speaking what has happened to me. I'm a troublemaker. Rather than the person who has put me through this my gosh. It's a weird thing and that's why I think we have a lot of work left to do the people say. Why has it changed everything? And I said no it's changed the conversation But until we start actually punishing perpetrators and not victims downs. It's it's all versions of what were you wearing You know I wanted to ask you. What else do we need to do? Just that line alone of we still have so much more to go home. What can we be doing right now in the metoo movement and then I want to also ask the question? What can men be doing? Well I think men need to be better advocates and allies. You know it came to me through the grapevine not long ago that some of the men who I worked with job have been voicing their irritation that I speak is frankly about what I I went through there as I do and I think wow. That's a problem. What I need is for one of you guys to say something What I need is for one of you to say yes? She has to keep talking talking about it. Because nobody's doing anything about it and we feel her not. Why won't she keep your mouth shut? And it's like that's not my responsibility it. Yeah we need them to speak up and I think we also need men be better allies in the moment because everyone's one is trying to be good employees and everyone's trying to get to the end of the day and people forget again that there are two hundred people on a set right and on a crew a lot of people's livelihoods and their kid's school tuition and their mortgages depend on this job. And so everybody's trying to get to the end of the day but what I think would would be really helpful as if in a room when a guy says something a horrid inappropriate and actually illegal to his female co worker. It's one thing for us to be like. Don't talk to me like that. And then it's like. Oh she can't take a joke. It's another thing if a guy goes. Hey don't talk to her late exactly. That's just not appropriate. Appropriate men react so much differently when another man says. We're not men who do that and whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is irrelevant. It's true and we need men to show up for us in that way we really do. You know. There was a time onset where I had a guy you know. Lead me into who closet and he pulled out his himself and he was like touch it. You know and it was like this whole moment. I'm eighteen. I'm a model. Does Not much more more. I can do and these situations happen all the time right all the time and I didn't say anything because I didn't want to be the troublemaker and I didn't WanNA cause issues on set and you spoke up. Do you feel like it hurt where you thought you wanted to go with your with with your career. Yeah Yeah I mean look I all I ever wanted to do was work on a Dick Wolf show and by the way Dick Wolf is the best. I've said listen. I'll say it until the day died. He's amazing and he was a great boss and he was my fiercest protector. He found out what was going on. And here's what's interesting you realize that. The infrastructure of a system system is so big and everyone's offering to rock the boat. They hide things they go. This is below his pay grade when he finally found out what was going on he wrote into the town like a night. It was incredible. He read a riot act. That would have made your skin peeled off if you were on the receiving end of it but the thing is is Dick Wolf runs. I don't know nine shows is writing. Four Bucks is doing a true crime series making movies. She's not set all the time he like he comes sometimes are set was never better than when he was on set and he also was the person when I was told I wasn't going to be allowed to leave this environment. That was so toxic to me was like absolutely not. She gets to go like so that was like a man who stood. He's an ally and you know he was the guy who was like you're my next Maresca like well. Let's do this for twenty years. I was like less fucking go. I gave that up because it was unsustainable for me to go to work anymore. You can't heal from toxic behavior in the toxic fire. You just can't do it and in the last two years. Here's the number of you know survivors of both assault and harassment and targeted harassment and chronic harassment. That I've spoken to everyone when shares this experience that you don't begin to heal until you start speaking your story and you don't begin to you until you get out of the environment that is making you sick too hard. arth things to come to. Yeah and so to your point. It was a giving up a real career opportunity but I had to prioritize my life breath over my job. I'm win heavy. Yeah but also okay you feel good I really do. You got out of that toxic environment did and I still have such deep relationships there link. I'm so tight with my camera crew. I get pictures of everyone's babies and and my focus puller on that show came over and helped me plant all my fruit trees at my house because he and his wife grow Avocados and stone fruits at their place and like literally. He came over and helped me set up my garden. And you know that that crew is still my family. My friends from that show are still my friends. So it's it's bittersweet bittersweet and away but the stuff that lasts lasts and at the end of the day sometimes if you're full walk with something you don't have space for something new and it was a little scary to take a leap but I made space for newness. That is really exciting. It is exciting. Yeah work game around one of the things I made space for. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited for this podcast. Yeah so you're a new host. Yes yeah work in progress. Where was the birth of work-in-progress many years ago? I got asked what advice I would give you know to. My younger self are women and it's funny because sometimes I think in the way that I have a heart for others. I can offer the advice that I need to hear. Oh I hear you on that especially going through all this. I can't even my God. You're like running your own corporation at human at the same time yes but then also having to like remind myself like I tell women to embrace every single curb and now I've got a Bagel curve that I'm trying to embrace and it's like Whoa. Nellie you're like oh the universe wants me to practice what I I feel like. That's what working progress is about little bit and for me. I said something that has just really resonated with people. And I said you are allowed to be both catastrophes Adam work-in-progress simultaneously Because I think so many of us get so focused on the goal like eventually when. I'm the masterpiece I will feel all right. We miss the present right but if we're just to in the present and we don't goal set. What are we really working and so I was trying to talk about that balance aunts and I realized I talked about earlier that so many people look at other people and think they have it all figured out and they don't know that we're all work in progress? And so I'm interviewing and all of these incredible people who I find to be so inspiring and so funny so smarten so accomplished and getting into their story and getting into how they show up in the world and what they're learning and what they're still working. Yes that's one of the questions that you ask your guest. What is the exact question? I always ask them at the end and I explain why I I just say so when I ask you what in your life feels like a work in progress wants the first thing that comes to my glad. I got like the the question before I'm there is no but I'll get you. I'll get you so far on on something. Come up when I ask you that now. I think that knowing that there's no such thing as balanced and I've always been a yes girl ambitious and I've never caught my career second fiddle or my relationship second fiddle to try to do everything all the time. But now that I'm about to be a mom I have to figure all that out because what I realize is there's there's no such thing as balanced and there's also much of that whole world that I don't know yet so it's like a whole new unknown that I'm I'm a little bit nervous about but it's a working progress and I'm not afraid of it. I've not been afraid of most things that have come my way. It's great. I can't wait to come on your podcast talk about. I know I can't wait. What do you think that? There's some things in your life that you're working on. What is a work in progress in? Sofia's life aw your point about balance. That's that's a real thing because I don't know a balanced looks like I don't think they're as balanced and maybe there is that I think that it from me. I'm interested in so many things and figuring out what to prioritize is really a work in progress for me. I've been so in this activist and an end journalism kind of based space which I love and now I'm like oh I also need to figure out a like what is the next show I WANNA do. I haven't really been looking at that. I've been developing some things but which of those things do. I WANNA get behind. I have to make a decision there. Her and at some point I need to figure out how to carve out the time and space to be in a relationship with someone. I've in a very good and healthy way. Been in relationship myself for a minute. It's been really important for me and now I'm finally. Id you're married and your husband is a bun by the way. When I met him at whatever that we were like some weird place in New York some like apartment? That wasn't really someone's apartment for dinner. It was beautiful but it was like who's house ran. It wasn't his house. Yeah anyway and he was just an angel when I really. I've realized this when you were meeting him but for a while I feel like I haven't don't even really seen people and just recently I'm like Oh people are cute like people in good looking. I want to go on a date with one. One of these good looking. People didn't even notice anyone for a while. I was so in my own space and now I'm like oh I they have a crush on someone that would be fun. You heard it here latest Bush's looking. I don't know we'll see I'm I'm I'm not I'm not not open to it. Okay you that's great. Yeah that's good open for love but like I just wish there were more hours than a whole last question. Do you have non-negotiables. Give me examples. Okay so make sure tonight like if you really truly are open this whole idea of like going on a date dating falling in love loved you make a list before you might list girl. Stop a made a list. I wrote it physically down. I wrote who I wanted in a husband. And what my non-negotiables on negotiations were. What were they weeks okay? Some of them were leg. I needed him to have the same faith. Me Those important and you didn't have not just a the job but a career where he was ambitious yet. He needed to make me laugh. Yeah laughter's huge. He and I needed a friend like a friend friend. There's a couple more things but yeah those are like the top level. I loved that laughter. non-negotiable yeah you'll do it. Yeah I'm excited for you. That's fun one thing. I'm so excited to just continue to watch you. Soar and to create lanes for people and give a voice to young women who feel like like. They don't have one so thank you for doing that. Thank you for educating us on everything you know. Because you're a plethora of knowledge and your beautiful. That's kind mind you. You are but one last thing that we do. I'm pretty big deal for. I allow my guests to leave. Is You just have have to answer a few questions. It's our live boldly lightning round like lightning round. Okay was the last pretty penny you spent. I mean I'm renovating my house right now. Oh Gosh suspensive the expensive and what did you tell you it is a worm maybe triple traumatizing. But the a tile is going in in the bathroom right now and it's so pretty so I feel like I've spent a pretty penny on tile and I can't wait to see it. Yeah what's your biggest dealbreaker breaker. My biggest deal breaker willful. Ignorance I heard that one yet. When I encounter someone one who has access to the information in chooses to say it isn't true anyway because that's more convenient to their existence? That's a deal breaker for me. Who Yeah that's deep because you're a pretty big deal and I only have pretty big jobs on my show? Okay I wanNA know what's a pretty big issue. I mean the constant threat to our national security more but I'm sorry But that is the thing that makes me not sleep pretty pretty big deal to me. You know what I'm really excited about Reese Witherspoon and John Honest and have this new show coming out on apple the mortar show and as a person Jason who's favorite TV show growing up was Murphy Brown. I literally can't wait and I haven't even seen a preview. I knew nothing review. No I don't WANNA watch any I. I don't WanNa know anything I just want to go in and so I'm really excited about it and one other thing comes to mind. That feels important. And it's actually a company that I joined join the advisory board of because looking at this whole space of post me to breaking and how we report now we make workplace safer. There's a bit of a conflict of interest that companies have their own. HR departments because then HR works for the company and not for the employees and a group of incredible edible women in tech including one of the female engineers who had been harassed at Big Tech Company got together and created a platform called offices and companies can onboard the service. 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Episode 40B  Brooke Davis  Getting to Done

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Episode 40B Brooke Davis Getting to Done

"Are you working on your other career? But struggling to get that first book published does the goal of being in awe Thursday through Thursday or responsive having multiple books and making a full-time living or as Fantastical is living in Cinderella's Castle welcome to discovered word. Smith's a podcast where aspiring authors can be heard join Stephen Schneider is he finds and talks to authors? You may not know but authors that have gotten their foot on the author career path here what they've done to get there and off they want to go now settle down it's time for a bit of inspiration and advice, listen to today's discovered Wordsmith. All right. Well Brooke, welcome back to the second half of the podcast episodes where we're going to talk about get it done more for the authors in the community. But before we do that, I have a couple of questions. So you have a interesting day job or you're you're off work for a wellness coach and you do the writing on the side. So tell us a little bit about how what your what you do besides writing a little more detail and how he's writing fits into your life. So my Wellness coaching really is based off something called The Wellness inventory, which is a whole person Wellness model. I think a lot of times when people think almost they may think of only exercise or only nutrition and wellness the wellness inventory really is focused on a whole person. So it's it's even around breathing home. Self love and transcending and all these different things that really are part of who you are. And so that takes up a decent part of my day off some days during the week and then writing also goes in there as well. And I find them to be pretty complimentary because I'm dealing with people on that Wellness side. And then which is very very real very in the present moment. Very non-fiction if you will and then my writing is just I get to go tell these stories and you know create a different world or go back to a different time and I find them to be really complementary and that way and I enjoy that they're kind of the flow of energy that goes on there. So would you recommend writing as a fulfilling aspect of life for out overall Wellness? Yes, if if it calls to people especially journaling I like you're pointing that out. Yeah. Yeah. It's writing is not necessarily for Thursday. Buddy, it's it is also one of those things where when people think about writing sometimes in the aspect of coaching. It's like, oh you want me to sit down and write this essay. It's like know if you want to do Seventeen bullet points. That's fine. If you want to write down a few ideas, that's fine. This may not be the modality that's going to work the best for you, but understand in the writing who really aren't any rules. It's what rules you make up around it to make it meaningful to you and I agree. I've heard some authors at times like, oh, I just can't sit down and write a more and oh, I you know, I'm struggling with this and took like well if you're complaining that much about it, maybe you should pick up guitar or something. It shouldn't be that stressful right? There there needs to definitely be some joy in the journey. And as we all know the journey is not always going to be fun and games. There's definitely going to be work involved. But if there's not really a lot of Joy there may be dead. As you said it's not the right. It's not the right Outlet. It's not the right thing. So lonely ask you this with your writing. What tools do you use? You know, I'm so very basic I write everything in Microsoft Word and then the editing tool that I use is grammarly. I know there are other ones out there. That's really as far as I've gotten I use Excel honestly to make spreadsheets to keep track of where I am with some of my chapters into work out where I'm going with my chapters when I wrote Adventures of an urban Homesteader, I completely passed it off. It was more of a flow chart type of thing versus like a strict 0.1 on the outline point two on the outline and I have a different process in place right now for a fiction book writing and I'm loving the process but it's very different and I'm tweaking it as I go. So my tools really are pretty basic. I think that's a great for people to hear cuz I think sometimes Just authors feel. Oh, you know if I just write on a yellow pad that's not real writing, you know, people have done that for hundreds of years and I think and I've talked to enough ought to know that everybody has slightly different things. They do. I know some people that use word and have like word skills that are like Way Beyond me with doing wage sidebar navigation and being able to jump around on like whoa, that's way too much. So I think like we were talking a minute ago. Sometimes we hear this advice and then we get all upset like, oh, I'm not doing that. I must not be doing it, right, you know, everybody does a different do what feels right exactly and in all honesty the first ideas that I had for books and authors good deal of Adventures of an urban Homesteader were written by hand in a notebook scribbled down quite honestly when I had a corporate job and then I would come home and put it into my computer so long It's I would say if somebody tells you that there is one way to write a book. You should thank them and probably back away, right? There are so many different ways to do it and we do get I think sometimes so caught up in what is the right way and the right way may mean what is right for you and then taking taking what works for you and then leaving the rest and Mish mashing it all together simply to get the draft done. I mean, I've heard stories people that can write for fifteen minutes on their lunch break down and they write it on index cards and have to take it home and then put it into something else. So you anything Works. Yes. There are people to have trouble with their hands thoroughly have to record it into their phone. Yeah. I know people that go on walks and we'll record it and they'll email it to themselves. That's how they get it to email it. I think There's enough tools that everybody can find what works for them agreed for your book. What are you doing to Market it? So what I will be doing to be very honest, I don't plan to continue to write in the romance genre. So I didn't do a lot of marketing on adventures. My upcoming plan for my micro Memoir is to do Amazon as and then to also to do a just regular advertising on BookBub. Not one of their featured deals, but just using their regular advertising platform and why did you choose to go with those instead of other millions of choices wage kind of millions of choices. I found first of all because I know Amazon Amazon really does have the share of the market and I thought that would be a good skill to learn going forward page also because book Bob really is about readers. It's focused on readers who like a good new release or like a good deal. So those are going to be the two I'm going to start with and then we'll kind of see what happens. Amer I have a plan to revisit authors and see how they're doing later so it'd be interesting to find out how things have gone with the Memoir next time we might be able to talk I yes, I will certainly keep you in the loop on that once it gets out the door and starts getting a little bit of traction great. So are are big topic for the day is getting it done in the home made her way or not. What's his name? The Comedian says Get Er Done. Yes. Anyway so wage. Why did you choose wanting to talk about getting it done? And what what advice do you have for reaching that goal? Well, one of the reasons why I chose this is because I think my own experience and my own experience of working with some of my fellow writers that getting really getting it done which I'm referring to really is that with that first draft off. Cuz I think sometimes that can be a real Challenge and as we all know you can't edit a blank page. So I think getting to done is really important because it helps us figure out doubling box. So I did have six short steps that I wanted to share with listeners the first part. Yeah, the first one really stumped number one with the first draft choice is to manage expectations is this is not something that you're going to you know hand to someone and say, oh I'm finished with the book. This is simply getting the whole story down getting your thoughts down getting a structure together. Just kind of as sometimes as they say just kind of puking out the words and knowing that that needs to be done so that you can go back and polish that and makes that something you're really proud of later on and the second, you know, the second part of that is what I call embracing the messiness and imperfection in writing writing is an imperfect process. I commend those people who can sit down and write super coherent Pages, you know hour after hour. I am certainly not at that level yet. So knowing it's going to be messy accepting that embracing that knowing that it's an imperfect process again, like you had mentioned people are like, well I'm writing on a notepad is just right. It's like yeah, it's right. It's fine right on your note cards, right? I you know had just get the words down and one of the things both those first two items I've discovered personally is I get a much better end result if I'm not sure. Read about precision and perfect being perfect right at the start. Just getting it on the page. But also that there are any group of words that you form into a sentence. There are a dozen different ways. You could write that same sentence. So one way is not necessarily the right way or better part of it is your voice and your birthday oil and I know sometimes there are things I'll read that I've written that I read, you know change it and it sounds better to me but then other people say, oh you could write it this way and they have a completely different sequence of words in that sentence. So like we've set a couple of times I think people get too hung up on some of that money and they need to get to the end and then can relax and review without their mind being all stressed right agreed and and part of that like you said is developing your voice your voice will write at a certain age. And somebody else will really resonate with that or or somebody else. Maybe well like I could have written it this way and it's like that's fine. Both are acceptable. This is this is the voice of this book and this is what I'm doing. Yeah. Okay. What's number three number three is to write regularly. I think one of the things I have I have written down here right regularly, not necessarily every day off one of the things I think people get a little stressed out about is well, I need to be writing every day or I need to be writing X number of minutes or X number of words and sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't it's going to just require you to find what regular means to you, but I do believe there is power and wisdom in sitting down infront of them. Even if that means you read the previous three paragraphs you've written the last time you showed up at that page to kind of get the juices flowing and the people I talked to and most of the authors out there dead. Are not Stephen King or JK Rowling they have day jobs. They have families. They have other obligations and sometimes you just do not have the time to write words on a page and if you get upset and stressed about that, it seems like what they end up doing is well, I'm a failure. I didn't write yesterday. So no point in writing today and next thing, you know, it's three weeks later with no writing right down, right? Exactly and that can be we have to really watch ourselves and that I'm going to get to that and number five that is a point. I will be making a number for them or and we've touched on a little bit of this is know your writing style and if you need help, so by writing style, I mean do you need to write in the morning. Need to get up if you can get up a few minutes early maybe before kids are up or before you need to walk out the door. Is it best for you to write at night when kids have gone to bed. Do you need to write in Sprint's I have fellow birth. That have those day jobs. They sit down and they have three fifteen minutes prints a day on good days to get it done. Did you need to have music on in the background? Also if you need help, do you need an accountability partner? Do you need somebody to come to you at the end of three days or five days and say do you have Pages for me to read or how are you doing? The people need different things in different environments. So understanding your style and what you need is going to be a work in process and it's something that kind of I think evolves. So just know that again that's just part of the process and there's no real right or wrong. As long as you're just moving along. So what advice would you give to people who are just starting out and they don't know their style. They don't know what works for them yet and they're trying to figure that out any advice for those people. First of all be really nice to yourself and don't do a lot of self blaming if it does suck. Work the first five times because it is going to evolve sit down just write some words get going experiments. I would say experiment Labs experimenting is probably the best advice and then also trying to write regularly thinking about your story maybe thinking about your story even only one to two scenes, So when you show up at that page the next time at least you have something to start with you don't necessarily need to build Rome all in one day just start and I see a lot of times online especially people asking questions. Well, what should I do? Should I do this or should I do that? Should I write it this way? Should I get this thing and people are like, oh no, no do it this way do it this way, and I'm usually like yeah, why don't you try all of it and see what works for you. Maybe what really is best for you is some combination more of thing a and a little bit of thing be but dead. Somebody else might be more thing be you really have to try at all to discover what works or at least look at what already works for you and build upon that say, well, I you know based on how I am with doing household chores or my job at work or you know taking care of the kids. I normally like this type of thing. So look at what life offers that as a writer what you know, is it getting up early like you said and writing or are you better at taking a couple of minute break at lunch and scribbling some things down, you know wage are valid but they work for different types of people. Yes agreed and that's why experimenting is so important and also being nice to yourself and knowing that it may take you a little while to figure out what's going to work. And then also I would say no that is something to try and that it may change honestly with every book depending on what type of book you're writing down. The worst thing is to get stressed about thinking I'm not writing enough. I'm not writing correctly. I'm not writing the right way or whatever and then your words reflect it. It's very difficult to write when your mind is stress and cycling on problems when it's open and relaxed you get your best writing done regardless of how you're doing it right agreed. Absolutely. So that's going to bring me to point number five and I think this one is pretty important and it does involve some fairly honest looking in the mirror and it's it's called get honest about roadblocks to finishing one off things that I usually say is time is not the issue. It's around values priorities, you know, currently I think mentally and emotionally we just may not have baggage was to do as much it's anything at all. But what I also find is that fear of judgement fear of opinions from others fear of not being perfect birth. Of okay if I get it done, I don't know the next step or what will somebody say because as authors ultimately we are putting something out into the world even as a first draft for a first reader that we've probably worked really hard on and were very invested in it. And we really want positive feedback and we want others to do like it and that's part of part of the author author growth process and just knowing that one opinion really isn't the end of the world usually busy. So just getting honest about those roadblocks blocks to finishing that first draft can be pretty enlightening again as as you and I have both said, we just try not to have that were thinking mine and just sit down at the page and just see what comes out and and know that it's not final that it's we're going to edit it and that's fine. There are days I write things and I'm like that is extraordinarily bad. And it doesn't matter because I'm going to edit that later and let's move on, you know, right and with that people need to realize that you need the experience of writing before you can look back at your own writing to judge it more fairly and with a open mind I myself and I know others write off something and if you're just starting out, it's like, oh man, this is like the best thing I've ever written. I love it. It's so good and then we get some friends and family to look it over and then like yeah, this is great. I love this. Thank you wash it really helped and then they put it out there and other people start reading it going. Yeah. This is a bunch of garbage. Then it hurts your self-esteem. You quit writing. It's a bad cycle. I think for me that's the advice I would give others is your writing isn't a golden honorific just sings to the angels. It's words on a page and if you keep a dog Mine and understand that you can change them then it's not as fearful to get that feedback from other people and I much prefer finding the people that were read my writings. Yeah, that's kind of boring or yeah, this word doesn't work for me or you know, hey, you really messed up on a lot of commas here. Whatever the feedback is. I'd rather get that from people. I know and trust that are trying to help me rather than just have people tell me. Yeah, this is great and everybody else thinks it sucks. Yeah, I think that's that's super super valid and I always go to that when I was finished with adventurers and I had beta readers and I knew one of them she actually told me on the version that is not in print anymore because I fixed it. She put the book down and finish it and I'm like, okay, that's that's horrifying to me like that. I have to fix so while it was hard to hear that I'm like this is going to make the book better off. And that's why we have to remember first drafts. Also who you choose as first readers is to really encourage them not to be the sugar-coated happy family member is just a look and you got bored or you didn't like something or something didn't make sense. You need to tell me don't worry about hurting my feelings because I need honest feedback to make this better. Right. If you want to be a successful author with the millions of readers out there, you have to write a book that the millions of readers will enjoy and if all you're looking for is for friends and family to take a great the book is that's valid that's fine. You can write that and be that, you know, you could be for every family reunion. Maybe you have a new book and everybody in the family might be look forward to receiving the new book every family reunion or something that doesn't always mean that you should or even want to become an author for the Red Cross. World, it's still valid. It's just be honest with what you're writing for in what you're looking for. I know an author that a friend that wrote down and like argued with all the feedback. He got from other people the book wasn't that good wasn't that successful? But he wasn't open to learning wage or what other people thought on the feedback. So that's something that I try and do is look for the people that I'm going to get good honest feedback from even if it's tough field back and that's what I want. Yeah, exactly and I'm really fortunate right now and the people who are being the beta readers for my micro Memoir. I don't know them at all. And so I thought I would be very curious to see what they have to say because they're the first people who have read it, but I don't know and I think in some ways that is part of the courageous journey of the authors. We are ultimately putting parts of ourselves out there that people are going to have an opinion about that. They're going to judge and that's part of you know, kind of who we are and what we're doing wage. I think as a person who just published her first book last year. I was like what is going to happen and by and large things have been fairly positive and I'm like, I just look at it as a whole. I look at life as the whole thing of you know, some people this isn't going to be their cup of tea, but other people really liked it and I'm like, this is great. I'm really pleased with this for my first book. So I think yeah that is that's that fear around the opinion in the judgment is going to be there. But I think it's also part of that courageous Journey that we have to take as authors. Yes pending on what we want to do like you said do we want to write for the film every month or do we want to write for larger audience? Right and to clarify? It's the first book you've published but it's not the first book you wrote and I think a lot of authors have that where they do. Written something and as they wrote their their skills increased and they realize yeah, this isn't that good, but they needed to do that to get to the next level of being a successful out there and understanding that the first thing you wrote may not be the best publishable thing too many times. I've seen authors like write something. Yeah, I spent months writing this and I put it up for sale and nobody's buying it. Well that's part of the learning process, but maybe you need to move right the next thing that the first thing really wasn't supposed to be your first thing right exactly. It's all it's all cumulative in the experience and I think it all helps along the way which in my life brings me to the last point on getting it done, which is no end to call it good. No one is finished just a first draft and I think sometimes people can get a little hesitant of well, am I really done or they want to Tinker and and kind of fuss with it and it's like a right is that because you're not done or is it because you're afraid of getting feedback so knowing when it's done is it becomes a skill honestly and sometimes we look around and it's like no that wasn't quite done or thought maybe it was overdone, but I'm just going to do that in and you learn that as you go along but knowing when it's done and you need to set it aside, I don't know about you but I try to write things and then set them aside for four to six weeks just to let them sit and just a way because you've been in that world for so long that you honestly can't look at your own work objectively. And when I usually go back in four to six weeks, I'm like, oh this was really good or we need to fix this or whatever, but that's the point. I mean letting it sit and simmer it has to do that. But you have to say it's done in order to let it do that and yeah reached that point where you finish I've known some authors again that I talked to at various critique groups and conferences and you know, I talked to him one year and then see him again the following year in like so are you working on now? I'll still the same book and it's like, okay. Well now you've been working out for three years there. There's a point where you're really not making the book better. You're just spinning your wheels and I agree with you. I I discovered myself if I put something down and then I come back to it. My mind's fresh. I forgot a lot of what I wrote and the emotional attachment isn't there so I can read it more objectively and make the changes that need done rather than thinking. Oh my words are all perfect. And I don't want to change them. You know, I read it. I'm like, yeah, those are so not the perfect words. Let me fix it off, right that was a a level step in my growth and I I told a couple people that I really felt it when I hit that and now when I write something it's closer to what month. Old stuff was the second time around now the first time I do it it's closer to that. So I I grew and I felt it right and and you also come to terms where you're like, I'm going to enjoy it and it usually it helps to know how it's going to end. Sometimes that gets a little interesting to come like how is that going to end again didn't know you get there and then you're like, okay it's done is done to a state where I'm going to set it aside. And then when I come back like you said the emotional attachment is not quite as great much more objective and you're one step closer to a big fish product because now you can edit those pages because words are on them. You have something that you can start polishing. Yes, and I know I've I was like a lot of people I didn't want to cut things out like oh, I love that scene. But when I got objective, I'm like, yeah, that doesn't work. It doesn't fit could be better. I held onto it and I ended up putting it somewhere else and it worked much better elsewhere. So you can recycle this stuff and I wrote down for a mastermind group. I mean, I wrote a short story for that and I liked the short story, but I didn't know what I wanted to do with it. So I took the premise of the short story changed it a little bit to fit into a fantasy characters world and I wrote a short the same type of short story with the characters from that world and recycled it that way. So it's it's a matter of letting go off thinking it's golden words and you know what's best for the story itself. And again, you have to get the experience to even feel that cuz a year ago, I wouldn't have even understood what that meant dead. As much as I do now, right, right and I think I think too the more you write the more you understand what you need to keep and what you really do just have to come down. There was a decent amount of cutting I did on adventures when I wrote it and there were certain things in like I really don't want to get rid of this that it really does not make sense in an order. I was just kind of say, you know, tightening and polishing and making sure that the pacing is good. It's something to look at and the pacing really for new writers is about making sure that your story holds the reader's attention and gives just that balance of right amount of detail with right amount of movement and that's something that I still work with but I recognize it now a lot more and it just comes with experience and also saying know what I probably just need to highlight those five hundred words and hit delete because they need to go. Yeah. I've done that so much more lately and Thursday. Stories have felt so much better to me for being able to do that. And now it's a lot easier. I'm not as afraid to cut words cuz I can just write more often is not a limited supply of words. Exactly. I think we also learn as we go along what's important to the story what's important to the reader? Maybe we don't use it. Like you said in this story We tweak it and we use it off or else as an idea. And again, that's right part of writing and allowing yourself to say, there's no one right way to do this. Sometimes I'll just throw things in a Word document be like, I don't want to forget that but I can't use that here and then just save it the point you just went over. Do you have that as a document on your website that people could get to you know, I don't would it be helpful for me to understand that as a document to you to include in your podcast or yeah, that would be great. I'm sure people would love that. Okay, I will absolutely do that. So to finish things up. Do you have any last minute advice for new Authors other than all that you've already given us? I would say to just not get overwhelmed. Don't worry about the whole I need to do this website thing. And I need to do all these other things focus on writing and it's actually came from an editor who told me this when I had started and she's like just write the most compelling book you can and then we'll take it from there. So don't get overwhelmed all the logistics and all the fun little tools and all of the places. You're supposed to be online. Just try to write the most compelling book you can whether that's in a notebook on note cards in were in Scribner wherever And then go forward from there. That would be starting advice. Just right and I agree. I think the most I've gotten done is when I don't worry about it and I just let it flow and right and keep going great. Well Brooke, I had a really great time talking with you today. And I love all these getting getting to done help that you were giving us. It's appreciated, right? Thank you. I'm so glad I hope it's helpful for both beginning and experienced writers because you know, we all grapple with different things and I think part of it is just getting that draft done in ways that work the best for us. Yes, and if anybody was interested in your walk coaching, where can they find out about more of that? Oh that is actually at roots of abundance and it's ww.w abundance, Great, and if people are interested go check that out there and look for Brooks. Look for Brooks book that's on a fun one to say about the adventures of an urban Homesteader. Yes that one again. You can find it most easily on Amazon. It is also on my website that Amazon is probably the easiest All right. Well Brooke, thank you. You have a really good day. I appreciate it. Wonderful. 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GT MINI FAILS: Cornavirus Cure Scam

Ghost Town

19:06 min | 1 year ago

GT MINI FAILS: Cornavirus Cure Scam

"Niggly Mohan Steve Green from this. They don't tell you podcast we would come into our podcast. It's about telling you all the things. We wish that we knew. But now we know all this though. We wish that people would have told us but they didn't and then now we have to tell you about it like credit cards finances. Planning a wedding travel all kinds of what they don't tell you about also if you ever wanted to know they don't tell you about Nick Cage. We've got you covered on that. If I had this podcast I would have been so much more cultured by now and I probably wouldn't use sentences in front of prepositions all kinds of things all kinds events so took. Actually they don't tell you every. Get Your podcasts. The Corona Virus Scam. I'm Rebecca leap. I'm Jason Horton and this ghost town. Southern California man who claimed He created a cure for the corona virus is in federal custody tonight accused of trying to scam people out of their money. You got a million hits on instagram which proved to be his undoing. This is Keith. Yes I hear that shuts down the seal. Id Nineteen on his social media videos. Keith middlebrook claimed He created the cure for corona virus over six weeks may see cells from chronic virus detach release and diving forty eight hours. This is it right here. The preloaded ingestion. He also promised this pill would make you immune to the virus just to be clear. There is no cure. No vaccine no drug that stops corona virus. The US Attorney says this was a scam aimed at extracting money from gullible. People and injecting it into Middlebrooks Bank Account. He was then soliciting investments in his company and promising massive profits in return. I've been studying cell tissue and chemical biology for well over two decades. I'm beyond qualified. I think omniscient the word is omniscient. Which means all knowing middlebrook clearly was not FBI undercover agents busted him for allegedly trying to sell them the phony medicine now. The fifty-three-year-old with homes in Westwood Newport Beach and Marietta is socially isolated in jail. These charged with one count of wire fraud. He could get twenty years in prison. If you're wondering how low you have to be to take advantage of people during this time. Ask Keith Middlebrook. Oh It's a beautiful name is not attached to a beautiful person. No he was arrested for selling a corona virus antidote make. You're actually just cure. Not even not even a cure a cure just like he he selling like M. and M.'s. Me Like it's a pill that secure. Is that how you make money back? In the day an opinion you WanNa buy some breads Greenham. I don't love scammers scammers now. We don't have scammers but there's something particularly heinous about this. It really takes advantage of people saying like you know. Get rich quick or a multi level. Marketing scam is a little more passive. Because it's not taking advantage of a pandemic exactly. There's a desperation around as there should be. There's there's this feeling of needing an answer wanting an answer. We the time that we live in right now is so hard. It's it's hard for all of us may feel specifically shitty in. There's so much information. Obviously going back and forth people want you read our blog posts. Read our news article and he right now. We're no different in the sense but came across Keith. Middlebrook because in the world of actors he the the article about what he did was like actor. Keith middlebrook and so you look and it's like by actor it's like he might have done some unhealthy of Scott says profiles pretty much something like that. And that's that's not a comment on what acting is not really important but that's how I quote wind of it. Yeah and then. Of course I have to look and it's just another huckster set the right word. Slick huckster yeah. I don't know very twain. Yeah like a kind of a just a after. Yeah liquid oil salesman but on so many levels because you've seen articles. That people are hoarding masks and hand sanitizer and again totally awful. But at least I guess with this at least if somebody saw you over priced hand sanitizer. You're getting what you actually pay for. It would be. Here's some hand sanitizer. But it's just Alabama or something like that so at least in that sense as horrible as that is but this is something that he's selling that's too good to be true and the persona behind him is obviously makes it super compelling. I believe main. Instagram account is down. But there's a couple of I don't know if they're from him or from other people just capitalizing on his name and this is pretty reason this is. We're going back maybe a month from when you're listening to this. Maybe unless this is probably one of the more topical things we've discussed we've ever gone back a month every once in a while. I'll talk about something that happened to me a couple of weeks ago but this is this is everyone cares about this and the the outcome hasn't even happened yet. We have a few more days before the outcomes may will follow update action happening. Update this guy. This feels like it deserves. An update is what I'm saying. He advertised I guess. I'll use the word. Allegedly for all this because he has not been convicted of anything yet. So I'm putting that out there. This is a blanket alleged. Whatever is happening is all alleged legally. It's in process for sticking up for this person. Yeah this won't be the thing you're gonNA use kick him so he advertised on Instagram and just to let you know. He's assured his instagram. Yes I did or a copy of instagram. And he's you know maybe it was like in his early fifties late forty S. He's clinging desperately to his forty eight year old self. I would pretty buff dude. Pretty buffed he looks like a streetfighter. Yelling Yeah Yeah. Not the streets heavily pixelated. He's like a video game character very tan. Very probably a little bow talks definitely and he's got really dark dyed black hair like black hair. And then you can tell because it's like it's receding so far. He's he's just clinging to it. I would know anything about that. I'm just turning twenty nine graceful. Yes no it's very natural. It's just how I do it. It's like damn and he also is one of those people who he is a genius entrepreneur of course had had to make money how to generate wealth life coach. Yeah how to get. An eight hundred credit score is one of his yes. That's one of the things he uses to say. Oh I don't know how come I have an eight hundred credit score. Yeah want the proof. I did a screen. Grab of the word. The number eight hundred seventy and I put a little dial at the bottom. You could tell. He's like if you saw as tinder profile would have the score as one of his photo options. The other three would be Jim selfies. Guy Doesn't own a shirtless leaves. No unless you seeing is very shiny business suit. He's maybe in a limousine that Shiny Ron Fabric and I'm sure he's in a pie. Jesu baby can pj but the most to. Hey I mean as far as I know. We know the most heinous of what he's been accused of is selling a corona virus prevention. Pill awful awful. Oh but there's more what an injectable cove in Nineteen Formula Vaccine Cure. Okay so you have options. You live scam options. He also claimed that Magic Johnson was on his company's board wasn't Magic Johnson also in Tiger King. Recently I think he was Johnson. You should get some PR people A revamp you don't WanNa be associated with these people and he promised potential investors millions of dollars in returns. Obviously it's like. They were a knows. He was arrested after delivering his prevention pills to an undercover FBI AGENT. So there was a sting was in a Rico case. He's like I want four. Pp's check mewat. Thirteen hundred o'clock cool. I'm GonNa Camera Pretty Much. So he claimed he was about to. Mass produce cure the Justice Department said he got about two million views on youtube an instagram of course and he spoke to people about investments. One was an FBI agent in one cooperating witness. Somebody who's like yeah. He scammed the all over one hundred fifty thousand dollars shirl testify against him. He's charged with attempted wire. Fraud Wire Fraud Mail fraud. Don't mess with that now. Don't get fan. Mail fraud carries a maximum penalty of twenty years in prison. He's describing bio is a genus entrepreneur and genius the inventor of the quote cove in nineteen immunity and Co Corona Virus Cure. It's just dexsa Trim. It's just a pill. What's the Kardashian weight loss pill magic? Gummy bears okay. That's true they just haven't yet. I need to buy more sensitive. There is a cure right here. Going to mass production he said in a post on March Seventeenth viewed over six hundred thirty thousand times now. I'm going a little caveat caveat to that I looked I'm pretty good at reading social media data and you look at his numbers of the views and there was one post where of course what I go to this is Michael. Do not like what you're doing is immoral and unethical. Mine is like these numbers seem fake so I go and I look and they'll be a video has three hundred thousand views but only seven comments which is even if you have a bad engagement rate. It's an away like let me if I ask three hundred thousand people. Something in only seven respond. Yeah that doesn't make any sense now. Chances are it's bought embodied and to you know which is that's not the end of the world but that's a thing to be like wow of all these other people are viewed. There must be something to it. Yeah and if he's the kind of guy to sell a chronic virus cure he's the kind of person to Lyon is social media and that's like an old social track at this might make you like him a little bit more. This is going to save and change the world. Yes I have a meeting set up with President Donald Trump. He ended the press holding a syringe containing a clear liquid. The video remained online at the time writing to the time. This information is out there in March now in Donald Trump's defense wall probably doesn't know about this is a chance that offer price guy is just to be fair. Yeah I mean. He doesn't know who a lot of people are right so he definitely opened up this guy. Definitely this guy. I also think it's really hard because the information that we're getting because it's so of the moment I get how people would stumble upon us. I guess I'll try indulge because again. It's time where everyone wants answers. Everyone's help and we're getting all Iq especially with an unemployment and stuff like that so many things policy-wise like whatever money we're getting from. The government is changing so quickly. I think I have a lot of empathy for people who thought that maybe this was an option. You say you know what the buyer beware and everything like that but you don't know where people are emotionally and he's capitalizing on that and that's what makes it so horrible as a really bad. It's not even like a cure for a cold which I'm sure you know. Maybe homeopaths might claim. I don't know I can't speak on that but when you're in the middle of it it's a really tough place when you probably know within a couple of degrees somebody that has been affected by in some way. It's not one of these things that's happening somewhere else. And you can only be sympathetic. Empathetic like this is like. You're probably pretty empathetic at this. Because you're probably feeling it and it's it's tough and you're like well I can't afford to get this because I have a family or I have responsibilities and I can't let them down and this guy he's got he's Tan. Yeah so he's you know he's very he's a settlement. Why would he was verified and instagram? Which is as somebody who's verified and in okay? I don't take advantage of that. No you're not you're you're very humbled by it. You serve it more than you take. 'em Like look at the picture this old building. We've got a look at it. Yeah exactly all right in another instagram clip. That was viewed. At least one million times he displayed a pill and said it makes it impossible to contract the disease for those who have tested positive. I'm also really worried. That these pills. And these whatever's in the syringe are paying like hurtful like the guy that what did he eat like. There was some some person that took some medicine and died in Muslims malaria. Or it's like what does even. Okay let's it's a hoax. It's fake but what is even in their cooking the stuff up in like a big tin drum outside of his. I honestly hope it's something that's just. It's just a water pill or placebo me to that. Bet that's where I hope. Here's a little more from the scripture of Keith Lawrence. Imagine mentioned that his middle may see the Warrenton. Oh sophisticated and middlebrook definitely is last name. Yes I've developed a cure for the krona virus cove nineteen that's period after six weeks of intense focus and development six weeks but but intense focus. He's not talking. He wasn't like being diverted by instagram. He was letting other people he was eating. His sleeves rolled up. Yeah exactly. He was having lean cuisines. Not Bothering cooking probably shower. That much focused Tan was very uneven focus and development and development and he's very little sleep. What probably because cain cocaine that guy in all you know. That guy smells awful. He's probably eighty five percent. Admiral that's generous you. I would say it's more cocaine. I'm currently going to mass production the CDC the WHO and mainstream media capitalized right have created a pandemonium environment. Just zero it's pandemonium is Great. It's like I'm reading a breaking news piece in the New York Times to answer this just because it's what I do. I've created corona virus prevention pill after three days of taking the person is immune to the virus and stays immune as long as they continue to take it once a day in the morning. You can't so I took it after ten. Am What's morning? Do we know a morning is is it? Is it like a list if you live in the nightlife if I'm at a hotel it's like? Is it the time where I get my continental breakfast? And that's like six minutes is seen or is it more like a relaxed like ten thirty hours. He's probably bearing the body of processing time. Just get all boy and also the cove in one thousand nine formula vaccine cure to satisfy physiological and psychological need at large what high why why the psychological war weren't so you know what. I mean like vagueness based on his youtube videos Keith. Middlebrook doesn't believe the current ivars outbreak is a real threat of course He's anyway committed. Anyway it's like listening to the two of you might have grace of God go i. Yeah he accused the centers for the CDC and the World Health Organization W And the mainstream media of lying about Cova nineteen causing a pandemic. He says all the crap you hear in the media. We're all in this together. That's bullshit total bullshit ever GONNA be Carson here only from quoting you. Don't have to participate with the losers the massive mainstream media and CVC who as if there's a pandemic and millions of people are dying in the streets. There's not Paul is that we're talked outside and I looked at my street. Known was dead in it so everyone don't believe what he's a couple of dead in it but he's not based on corona virus. According to court records middlebrook previously arrested for wire for in two thousand fourteen after allegedly running a fraudulent credit score improvement business. It was dismissed in two thousand sixteen judge set his arraignment for April sixteenth. So as we're doing this not yet but we will follow up if convicted as charged. You could face up to twenty years in prison when I think Newsweek heavy time and Justice Dot Gov oh God that's serious actually talking to my uncle who is a public defender about the court system and what's happening and actually that might be delayed because the courts are so backed up right now. Don't Zoom Do. Yeah Yeah we could be Jersey Act like Digital Bible swearing on cats are running in the thing on a sears sears. You know everyone's well. Yeah definitely Hanging in there reach out to us. We love people reach out and it's been very kind and really inspiring really nice If you needed care package let us know. We'll get out there. Although I'm not sending things out this week right give it out a little bit but we never we have good memories and we will get it to us to just you know. Hopefully you're feeling okay. 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Baby Its Knives Outside (with Sophia Bush)

Keep It!

1:17:05 hr | 1 year ago

Baby Its Knives Outside (with Sophia Bush)

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You'll get the same unlimited data messaging and minutes on Verizon Four G. Lt Network without sharing your bills accounts or your unlimited data get started with party pay at visible support dot com forward slash. Keep it fits and we're back the money. Tell you something my knives. They're out it out. Then ben out the plays on just the title of knives out. That happened on twitter. Your twitter and hunter harasses twitter. There's only two versions of it but you guys keep finding new ways to state them. Let me tell you keep it or knives are out right. They're not in. That's literally all all of the jokes about them and yet you inundate us you know. That's call talent. Oh I had other nominal anyway out what a wonderful movie you went to see it. I think I worship Johnson now Ryan Johnson is the moment. Yeah he's doing well he's like the one he's the honorary white man that I'm going to have to be okay. You slipped on through your amazing i. This is my favorite movie of his even. Like I wasn't a huge fan of looper I don't know what a star wars roses but journeys in that film and I know where she allegedly can't stop herself from Saint Pew Pew while she uses pupil evens. But I we'll say about knives out. I kind of felt the ending of it didn't go the distance. I just WanNa say like to me. It's a movie. That feels like Octavia Spencer as mosh should have been the killer at at the last moment. I don't know how we could have incorporated her but I needed to go to even zanier place. Okay I disagree really I feel like at the very end. When it was unraveling goes a little too long maybe and it's my only critique of it like I had a hard time keeping everything straight but that just means it's remarkable part is really parodies? He's the drawing room mystery. Reveal that happens in horror movies and I thought that it kept building and building Agatha Christie who never heard that name I'll say this I think the best performance in the movie which not many people are talking about is Christopher plummer as the. He's the one who is murdered in these Harlan. Oh father he did kill it yeah. He's sweet endearing funny. He's yeah I really like him real handsome. Yeah it was very very good but also like if you're Jamie Lee Curtis what's going on in this movie. You didn't have enough to do. Besides where a striking you know. Pantsuit pantsuit which I want her to do but collect did the damn thing true but the entire point of the mysteries right like Agatha Christie movies etc.. There's there's so many characters because you need so many suspects and I think everyone just had a really fun time playing a wild character. Who maybe who done it you know and I would rather rather those be played by fun actors who know what they're doing? NFL then him casting it with a bunch of people who aren't great. No I mean I'm happy to see her and I I would be if you had told me well. She was taken out of the film. I would be very upset but I just I want a little bit more Jamie Lee spiciness when I see Jamie Lee. Curtis Curtis I get that get that I thought that Toni Collette was iconic in this film. Her Languid I'd kind of Malays Malay's about everything was pretty good. She did better as a Ditz than I expected from her. Because you know Tony Club is one of these obvious. Genius people so I didn't think I would believe it. Well what I really also enjoyed was Daniel Craig's singing a song from follies in it. What sound losing my mind? The one he's singing in the car. I don't WanNa ball too many things where people but it was also a nod from Ryan Johnson to the last of Sheila because because he is a big mystery fan and you know if she s which is covered by Stephen Sondheim and Anthony. Don't love that movie by the way but I really enjoy And I I it's weird. I was talking. If you're Sondheim Fan. You know what point he was sort of like. Should I start writing musicals and just do done it because he loves who who taught and I thought it was a fun nod to him by the way what that's a specifically gay crisis of conscience give it all up to write who done. It's that's that's how you know that's when you have to come out to your mom when you're like I could devote my entire life to things called the mirror cracked. I mean. That's what happened with me. And my mom at fifteen. Oh yeah yeah I said mom. Let me tell you something about the ladies in my life they vanish. Now here's a who done it. Who can cost you at a young age because the effects are still with us? Well I actually was hit by a loss as a child what it fell on me from the television and as I was watching prices right really shaking the television and I was reaching for something and it's slid back and hit me and it's why I have a scar on my face to this day. Wow a game show related injury in your. Is it possible I did it and that I'm happy for me. Wow Aida you're you're the detective who was hired to be here. Well same surveyed. I'm really trying to do the Daniel. Craig correal accent. Oh Oh my God I'm turning into IRA- oh no friend of mine pointed out that that role normally would be played by Kevin Spacey for sure. But we are done with Kevin Spacey. Obviously so now. It's Daniel Craig are we. Uh you never know again cancelation an ongoing process. I'm still holding out for American beauty to Oh God please Capex to stop beauty harder her anyway we get this show starter. Oh I guess all right we will be joined today by Sophia Bush whom I love we met our. I met randomly Enderle one day and was delighted with every second of it. Brooke Ben Davis and we will talk about that And also we're going to talk about the. Maybe maybe feud between Dakota Johnson and Ellen DeGeneres disturbing how exciting this was for me. The knives were out. If you will and we're GonNa Talk About Gabrielle. Union's exit from America's got talent. It's the best show on television to shame. It had to go down like I have a lot of questions about this mostly mostly. I don't think America does have that much to outright. It comes down to a question talent for genocide. That's more of an affinity. We'll we'll be right back NBC You've got some split into do. Can you do that accent. Probably I guess I don't feel wonderful about typically are you mean physically a little. Probably okay. I'm just doing Ricky Ricardo and not on the first episode of Keep It. I made a joke about. We had whatever perspective with with us and I accept it and I said Oh. I'm getting drunk in the afternoon. Desi Arnez that reference always plays. He did love getting drawn. Oh Yeah ooh he's also a little scary. The knives and the bottles were out. That was my first Feminist moment okay. We'll get to the topic at a second. My I would watch I love Lucy and my mom ago. How about in every episode? The women are so stupid and then the men get to call them stupid was like Oh yeah right tabby waking moment for you. Yeah now I am the person I am but also how about in every episode. They never had plots Fred and ricky doing who gave a fuck. No no Fred just had nothing to do. Talk is certain to his pants. I had no idea what he was doing all day. Just sitting at home waiting to vote for trump but getting back to NBC. Over the weekend. Sag after I love my union. Launched an investigation into America's got talent following NBC's announcement that both Gabrielle Union and fellow-judge Judge Julianne hough would be leaving the show after one season Gabrielle. And her husband in particular dwayne Wade have been very vocal about her departure not not being an amicable one sheesh. This is no good. This is very anything Gabrielle Union. I will support her because she's a black awful Nebraska which I just recently found out actually she's in Nebraska that's it. I'm okay with Calling Dwayne Wade in Gabrielle Union. The King and Queen of Social Media. I just enjoy what they do. I loved them as an aside. I JUST WANNA point out how wonderful. They've been to their sons Ion Wade and I know that that sounds sort of like bare minimum asking. Oh thank you for being wonderful to your queer son who is just outwardly expressing himself whatever his identity concern out to be when he gets older it is nice seeing a prominent black mother and prominent black father who former former basketball player. You know like one of the most masculine professions. You can have to supporting his son in a way. That many fathers there's any race yeah don't do but especially in the black community it is you're entirely right to see the figurehead like him. Someone who's worth millions and millions millions of dollars who who a lot of black men look up to unabashedly supporting his queer son. I like we said and then back to the story. I love how vocal. He's being in in supporting his wife in this incident which has so many layers of Massachusetts. So let's I get into the incident. Starting starting the firing which include Jay Leno appearing as a guest on the show Lewis has favorite comedian. I learned everything goes. Dan Shirted Humor. According to variety while Taping Leno made a joke about a painting in the studio hallway of Simon cowl surrounded by his dogs saying the dogs looked like something. You'd see on the menu at a Korean restaurant well. Shane got fired from. SNL and apparently went to punch up jokes for Jay Leno. What in the midst swan type of entertainment behavior is this? It's definitely a joke. You make when your whole brand peaked in nineteen ninety-six exactly actress. Gabrielle urged the producer. Report the joke to HR Many people on the staff founded offensive including one of the show's very few you as an staffers. That's a quote. That's a quote that is appointed quote. It didn't get reported but the line was cut from the episode when it aired on August. His six wealth you. I mean I can't believe we had to miss out on that. Wonderful Informative joke. Always teaching is how I feel about him. Truly then there were also multiple for reports of Gabrielle. Being told that her rotating hairstyles were quote to black for the audience of America's got. Oh No oh no oh no that is so offensive offensive that is ridiculously expensive and especially because as black women we have to wear different protective styles to keep our hair healthy because it is so our hair requires so much upkeep you know the braids other the twist all the things that we do. It's not even always to make it. Look good it's to keep it down and keep it out of the way so this is so racially. That's that's Oh my God. I can't even process that at the same time. Keep it down. I mean God. It's so annoying to the rest of us. I can't even watch television. If the hair changes on it the same thing to tell us also too black to black. Does that mean they. Why notice she is black so I feel like those things go hand in hand you know if she wears her hair a different way? The audience might be reminded that he's black though. I I don't think you realize how you have to do specifically black things to remind an audience you're black case in point Oy after single ladies people beyond say was just a fun white woman making making box right and then formation happened and people were like they went underground they wait wait a second in one of the wildest stories actually Gary All apparently expressed concern about not one white male performer on the show whose act involved impersonations of famous singers and at one point this person portrayed the aforementioned beyond say and part of his costume was coloring his hands black. What is going on at America's got talent? What is happening happening? America's got a shitty history. I mean that's what's going on here. This is nuts right. It's not now this is yeah. This is wild America's got to stop. That's what happened show needs to stop. I mean I hate to say I'm curious but what the Hell could the act possibly be. Sorry nobody's sending the idea. I have no idea what happened there. The studio audience apparently saw it but it was removed from the show instill and Gabrielle was rightfully pissed off about with that too. Why should that person get to perform that for anybody? Somebody has a camera drawn. Whatever it can get out? There have been other reports. One of them was that Gabrielle. Apparently you have to tell producer of the show. Simon Cowe chain smoking indoors. He needs to stop wearing those Goddamn Henley's of course there's a light and he's doing the Henley pedler himself solve wearing Henley should also be illegal just like smoking indoors is like how is it even a problem that she complains about something that is an actual violation her workplace. You know and that smoke gets everywhere I I think everything got real saying has been justified and it's just a reminder to the fact that nobody's listening to black women even when they are correct there speaking facts about the situation and it's like no no shut sheriff black. You know there's no reason for this and there's also I'm sure that very familiar to PC certainly familiar to queer people thing. Hang of. You're on a job. You're the minority there. And then you feel self assigned to police situation cells also minority quite literally just a UFO Berkshire who by the way. We'll never be fired. I guess can I just say something about how we mendel how many people under the age of although thirty five L. S. Q.. I you to do you know why Howie Mandel is famous. I only know this because I'm a stand up comic and then I know about dealer no deal right. But that's it right no he. He was a wild wild lewd. Stand up in the eighties. Never seen right. He would blow up a latex glove and put it on his head and like in a cartoonish. Kind of psychotic voice. Say the things like I have a boner. That was that was the comedy then. Happy one thousand nine hundred one. He was the voice on muppet babies. He did a show called Bobby's world and he was on a drama called Saint Elsewhere. Okay Yeah that was that leads us to about nineteen thousand nine. It is two thousand nine hundred and we just let him hang out and pretend like he's a relevant person who should be. Judging talent for us. Louis I feel like Howie Mandel if you're not a comedian connoisseur yeah You probably recognize him the most from those weird series commercials. He always did in the ninety right right for like Boston Pizza. And other shit I feel like Teri Hatcher was in one within and whereas she not on a panel making millions of dollars a year. Are you know what I'm saying. But you're right how he's been on that show for like ten years. I feel like he's been on. He's been never consecutive seasons and it just feels like they recycle women out there like L. Years New woman here she's even younger than the last one right and Howard. Stern has said as much former. America's got talent Judge Howard Stern who basically said Simon exchanges the women and keeps the men no matter these are his words. How ugly they are which is a freezing? I appreciate weirdly from Howard Concern Right. Who would have expected that Howard Stern would come to Gabrielle? Union's Defense Yeah right when Howard Stern it's dragging when you sign and let's give it up I would also point out the whack solidarity. She's gotten from some some people who should be a bit more in her corner. Let's talk about Julianne Huff. What she say well first of all her statement to variety deny the fact that she had received constant criticism on her hair makeup and wardrobe as well at she said? I had a wonderful time on. America's got talent I loved working with the cast crew and producers. I am happy to continue my working relationship with NBC. She also expressed excitement for two upcoming Ming. NBC shows she'll be featured in holiday with the house co-starred her brother Derek and Christmas in Rockefeller Center in December. I'm looking forward to what the future are holds. You're looking forward to protecting that bags. And your shit nothing happens to be on this. NBC Show by the way I have two more NBC turning out. Oh my God. This trader stick of Margarine. Here are some reasons also to be mad at Julianne. hough her blonde ace there. Is that what she witnessed. Crazy is Halloween we never forget but also never forget the rock of ages movie which I believe is the worst movie I saw this decade. Have did you see that. Yes Catherine Zeta. Forgive me I I thought you did a great job. Everybody everybody else get to Nuremberg lodged in that movie. which was that one scene where she thinks? I'm here about So that the footloose remake starring. Julianne Hough and my favorite movie star. Kenny wormald I didn't mind the footloose say. Actually well Taylor. I thought slate in that teller's amazing and everything he's ever done. I agree with lash time for the decade for me. Although footloose the movie remake is is one of those weird movies where they remake a movie. That's very culturally white and include black people in it and then it doesn't make sense for any of these black people be in it because the movie footloose based on a preacher banning Dan. I don't know how that flies in a city with that. Many black people it in the remake of it. Wow We that movie needed a drama Turkey right good quality debt and then also just Julian Heff is somebody. We've invested in it as a star time and time again Greece. She was in Greece. Oh yes she was okay in Greece. Yeah she was not that great opposite. Vanessa Hudgens who slayed although I now have to take my sneakers off. No more sneaker night because Vanessa Hudgens said she would love to movie Woody Allen she dead did say that and let me just remind people that sneaker night is an actual single by Vanessa hudgens beautiful song to which constructed which has the poet laureate winning lyrics of Nineteen eighty-four. Basically what we're going to do is dance. Basically what we're going to do is dance. It will come easily. Only when you hear the beat I I think that counts as psycho. It's a few I use syllables long. But we can retract. We took a little break for Thanksgiving. And we completely missed that Vanessa thing we completely missed miss scarlet. Joe Oh Hanson doing an interview where she defended Woody Allen again to right there is this man is near death there. We have to keep defending himself so Newsweek. Let me throw out all my woody Allen defenses guys you Scarlett Johansson. I know you saw wonder wheel. We are done with Woody Allen just on substance level. You don't have to keep keeping a special extra early. Keep it to marvel for the black widow trailer which just came out which features Florence Pew in it and Rachel Weisz so clearly. I'm going to be seeing this movie. lastly I would just. Let's say that another person who disappointed me was terry crews who seems to have lost all of the activism that was brewing up up in him when he was on the other side of it because he tweeted to Gabrielle. You're the Best Gabrielle. You will be missed. Wow a hey have a nice summer of tweets I say. What a Kirstie Alley Stephen Hawking? Oh Bet thanks for your input guys look up. That's tweet sense the snark in that is that you feel it while there's not snark but it's you're the Best Gabrielle. You will be missed which is just there's lack of solidarity it's lame yeah. It's so bare minimum. Especially since during Terry's assault incident. She tweeted Terry crews is a stand up guy literally one of the nicest people in our industry. He is honest kind and a true professional. I believe him and stand by Him Hashtag me too and he even gave an interview where he talked about. How while some black men met his story with ridicule judgment? He says that black women supported him the most after his sexual assault. Of course we did. Yeah so seeing that Bare Minimum Tweet to Gabrielle. It was like why even bother by the way and always remember Gabrielle Union. The time she was asked about Stacey Dash and she responded with fake incredulity and she said you mean Damon Dash. They've done a comic monologue. That seemed entirely improvised that slate. She so very funny quotes always be appreciating. Please for more the anecdotes like that you should read. We're going to eat more wine. Her memoir which is hilarious to and actually very playing it and I just hope that this this thing is resolved in a good way. Sure yeah get your money get your bag Gabrielle. Get sagged to get you your money for being fired by the way before we wrap this up. Isn't it crazy to think Simon Cowell still doing this damn thing. I think of him as a celebrity who picked in the two thousands of Y'all appreciated his anger and snarky Innis. Then Dan but it goes on he continues to do the exact same thing and we're just sort of you know over but I'm sure he's making nine figures year or something and do the winners of the shows even go on to have careers anymore or are we at the point where we're supporting them. Oh God I can't think anyone. I don't know what you win for. America's got talent if anything you go down a couple ranks a member your visa league. America's still hurting from when we tried x-factor all those years ago guys. It's not for us. It's not for us. It's still on. I know well. In Britain they have that makes sense. They love loud things yes they just got a pussycat. Dow's reunion right. Oh God I'm so jealous of that. Did you guys know that the pussycat dolls have never released a bad single. Never it's really crazy in the best beaten. Buttons Buttons does top Beep beep spiraled. Yeah it's funny. How a man thinks about the dean? Do you ever went. Danny Cain tried to do pussycat dolls. Did and they didn't okay. Well you know what we're GONNA in this segment because I will not take any danny became slander. They have one good song. Thank you so much for playing yet yet again. I think the best pussy on though is I hate this part I love a ballad. That's also danceable Sam. Smith finally discovered that you know what I'm saying sticking that lane stick with us. We'll be right back with Sophia Bush as most of us have found out the hard way getting into debt his easy like Sunday morning. I love Sunday morning. Rock like easy like Sunday morning loved the song Sunday morning by no doubt what about them songs Sunday morning by Maroon five I do like that's all I think it's in their top three for me. 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I'm generally speaking cold in German. So it's lucky inspire me so I try we call them Louis Death boot but before we get to the niceties. I have some questions questions. I'll go right ahead. You Start Your new podcast work in progress. What made you want to jump into the game and go against keep it? I mean I never WanNa go against you. I just I consider us to be comrades in arms. You know I have always been so firstly curious Korea and second I love to have really deep conversations. I love to ask questions and I love people. Ask questions of me and it's funny I was just listening Krista Tippett interviewed Jericho Brown and he was talking about how he loves to tell people that he's a poet because people freak out because they're like oh you want to ask all those deep questions and shit about life life and you think that's fine. I'm like say except I'm not a brilliant poet sad but I have a podcast or now So it's it's a place to ask questions in have I think really interesting conversations and for me to put the journalism degree that I was working on in college before I dropped out. TV show whoops sorry. Mom Yeah did you see I left. The theater program was doing journalism degree and then actually left to act. So do you know what's even sadder I completed in my journalism degree. Well what am I doing it now. Well we're doing. PODCASTS is what we're doing I know they're amazing. Like I love this space to be able to just I talk and get in it and for me you know I use my instagram. Like news channel just gives me a longer form way to have these conversations and to welcome welcome audiences in for all of us. I look at these tables as a way to spend privilege. 'cause not everybody gets to sit across from the people that we get to sit across from but we can offer that space to anyone who's curious are wants to learn so speaking of one of those people. I have never sat across from John Fabra because he is banned from. Keep it CRA Did he should on your floor like Johnny Depp. He hit me with his car he did not a villain. He's just a narrow space villain with his car. I mean accidentally mean. I think he's right to kill me. This is a long running bet that is not slowing anytime soon absurd. It used you as a you know I kind of love it. I'm here for a bit. It's like it's my job in the world of acting as you know because you went into theater like do Improv. The rule is yes aunt no matter what anybody throws it you. You're like yes and then this you gotta you gotTa support your people so in the case of IRA no stop enabling is also an acceptable. Now okay the guest you've had on your podcast are illustrious and lovely. You've had some people we've had on the Chelsea handler. But you had had one of my favorite actors who always gives a great interviews as Henry. Winkler Sti- for him. I just sweetest man Milwaukee. So Oh there's a big Henry Winkler statue celebrating. Happy days ahead. Why and also? That's so cute. Yeah because happy. Happy Days that they're defines man so when you meet these people like what are you most curious about because you are an actor so I assume most of the profession is unmasked to you already I mean yes and no. I'm so fascinated by how everyone has such different process and like with someone like a Chelsea. She's a comedian. I don't do standup. I'm obsessed with it. I'm so curious about it. Part of me feels like I'd love to try it but it's also like I'd love to try hot yoga and I don't do that either so we'll see I think in my own profession it's interesting to talk to people about. You know how they got where they are what they believe in what makes them tick and then when I interview people who are just so enamored with in the political arena. Whether it's a you know a Gloria Steinem Evan mcmullen or a senator Gillibrand. It's like I wanNA talk to these people about what what it means to you know. Find your calling in to be in public service and and to run for office and all of this are to be a political activist or an activist journalist. It's like no matter what I think. That the commonality for all of these guest I've interviewed so far is that they have incredible perspective and a story to tell whether it's with humor or or really sort of serious data science. We need all those people and we need all their stories. Why do you do this? I do it because I think it's it's fun you know. I love nothing more than being part of the conversation. What my friends and I are talking about off Pod I wanNA have that conversation with other people because I think that it's one conversations we should be having and to the space is full of not uh voices like mine or Louis or voices Aida or other co hosts so you know? I think that it's a great way to just sort of push information. Shen out there without feeling like it's an article without feeling like it's definitive. We're allowed to disagree with each other I think it's a good debate. Unfortunately I'd be discussing the stuff anyway. So it's like you may as well record me. I also feel like unfortunately my profession is writing but I think I am better at talking. So it's this weird indulgence on my part you know like oh I got to be the shock jock. I always have dreamed love that and I do love the the fact that on a podcast. You can really have a dialogue. You can debate. Ah It's not all. So make a decision have an opinion righted in you know carbon stone. It's like I like being able to get into things and and have conversations with people who think differently than I do. In addition to people who agree with me. It's like it's really good for us. I think I like that every once in a while I mean like sometimes sometimes I just don't need to meet the difference of opinion. Don't be wrong. You know what I'm saying like I've done a lot of work to be right over here but I see what you mean. Let's talk a bit about a thing. I'm very excited to talk to you about how I came to know you. Miss Brooke Davis One. Hell okay. I hate most every other character. We'll certainly look as I don't know you really you just I was never here for Lucas. Okay I I liked you. Get the Dan. Dan Scott was the best. Did we cry when he died. I mean come on. How do we laugh when his heart was eaten by dogs? I just moment where we were filming. That and I was like we've been on for too long. been on for too long. This is jumping the shark right. It started at the funds. I mean it started as a nice show about two brothers who were who were arch enemies you know and they were on the same basketball team and it seemed like it was a teen show. That was going to be a bit more introspective. You know very emotional and I love how it shifted into Teen Melrose Place. Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean. Don't they all do you remember when the show I started getting that sort of attention like when it was featured on the soup all the time. God God kind of me. That's when people started talking about the show is oh this is wild. Yeah it got it got a little while the writers just really. We're having some fun and I don't know I mean it did. It did start as this sort of introspective thing but also the irony so out of all the cast members I did the most episodes I did one hundred and eighty six of one hundred and eighty seven episodes of one tree. I mean that's a lot of TV. And I wasn't in. I was the one who wasn't in the pilot and we worked worked with this producer. Joe Davila who if you were a Seinfeld fan crazy. Joe Develops Crazy Joe. Damola comes from Real Joe Davila. WHO's fucking Joe Davila? Because it's his favorite word and he literally inserts it like every three words in every sentence I had done a different pilot that year for the same production company. Our pilot didn't get picked up thankfully because it was a it was a family drama but it would have been sort of like seventh heaven kind of which like I loved but also I just I would have had to be the rebellious kid in a household getting out by their parents all the time and I was way more fun to film and so- Joe Davila I get got a call. And he's like all these talking characters on this show make you want to fucking kill yourself. We need somebody to come in here and be funny and star the power adding a new kid. You gotta come in and read for it. I was like okay. Who are you my boss like the comedy? It was so I you know I was twenty one. I didn't know what I was doing so I was like sure. Okay so yeah I went in and I read for Brooke Davis and the rest is history. How was that as a formative? TV making experience. Do you still I think of it as sort of the peak of your experience. TV You've been on so many shows. Since then I don't think of it as the peak every experience is different. Every show. You're on is kind of like a relationship you've been in relationships are better than others but you stay in relationships. Generally for a reason I think there are still things. I'm so excited to do you. I know things. I'm developing and stories that I wanNA tell and I don't know I I don't think of it in terms like Bab but it was such an amazing experience and you know as the adage goes it was. It was the best of times in the worst of times. It's so easy for us. We were all at a friend. Hillary's wedding my my core group Peyton and we were talking about how now we've had enough years where we just look at it and we love it but like run into any of us on the street in season seven and we were ready to pull our hair out. That's just just the reality of of things but yeah a lot of it was really fun and amazing and ridiculous and it was horrible and we're really glad there were no like behind the scenes. Chris that's always interesting to me. I think people kind of don't understand what happens when like a TV show sort of congeals and people are over because it just seems like the most ideal job on earth like how could somebody be over it you know. How could somebody be sick? What do you think happens on a TV show? I don't think it's just what happens. I think it's the actual job like like people don't understand that making. TV is hard when you watch episode of television. It's amazing because it was edited by professionals and it has a soundtrack and you're like what swelling inspiring when you're onset there's no air or heat running because it screws up the sound. There's no music everyone's working sixteen to eighteen eighteen hours a day and tired and cranky and like it's hard work and nobody wants to hear you complain about it but something that put it in perspective for me when I was working on my show in Chicago my technical advisers like a thirty year undercover Chicago Cop and was like this is the hardest show I have ever done in my life. Like how do you do this and then you memorize ten pages of lines a day like what's happening here and I was like. Oh well that's an interesting. You say we. I wouldn't have pegged that but yeah it it is. The work is actually very tedious and requires a lot of sacrifice. You miss every birthday and every moms you know mother's Day and every baby being born or whatever so you have to love what you do. But that's also why I think it can get kind of grading and when you're many any years into a show and you know you read a script and you find out that a dog gonNA eat a heart and you're just like what am I doing. Yeah it's your whole life. It's it's so much of your day. What am I done on my life chase through a cornfield glass outfit like it's crazy you know sweet Tori but but it's like now we look back on it and like the dog in the heart is such a classic moment that People WanNa reference? And you're like it's kind of a cold classic. Whatever I'm cool the Speaking about still loving the job you know you brought up where he wants Chicago? PD Did you have a moment after you left the show and you talked about you know working in a toxic work environment. Did you have a moment where you're like. Is this what I still want to be doing or were you able to conceptualize it within the situation and be like this. Was this particular show. I mean it definitely. Was that particular show you know. We had an unpleasant experience women on the set of country because our boss was just a pervert and like gross but the experience I had in Chicago made country. Look like child's play in a way you you have context to understand what's different you know. I was very lucky to work for Max Max much neck and David Cohen. The will and grace creators for a season of Sitcom that we did together and that was like a dream job. I went into work every day with Jimmy Boroughs and Michael. Oh Yuri and laughed my ass off and it was a gift and I've had jobs that are such gifts like I just shot a movie with Alana Glazer that she wrote and make. It's dark yet. It was like a party for us every day in making that stuff come alive and it was her set and it was run very differently. The the pilot that I produced last year run so differently and and was a dream and so yes. It's very clear to me that it was that job. Bob But what I've noticed. Since is that when I walk on two sets where I'm not necessarily in control or I don't know everybody. I'm very different than I used to be. I'm not like the bubbly few sieve like. Hey what's up. Everybody I walk in. I'm meet people I sit in the corner. I observe and like I want to know who in the room might might be bad news so that I know who to avoid. And that's a new thing for me and it's kind of sad but also I just refuse to give my power away to anybody. Anybody and so I'm like no I'M GONNA do my job. I'm just maybe going to observe a little bit differently. And that's okay you feel that that's manageable like you can walk into a situation like that and and think this will still be worthwhile for me. It depends on the situation and there have been things that I have been up for that because of things. I know I've been like I'm not even going to go in for that. I'm not even GonNa take a meeting on that. I don't ever want to work with that person or that like there are just I have different parameters now. It's kind of you've unfortunate. That people have to do that and and you know you see it happening over and over again. One of my co workers on one tree hill had it really bad with our boss and she didn't work for many years after that show because she didn't feel safe on set and I didn't go straight back to work after being in Chicago because I really just felt uncomfortable on a set a set is supposed to be my playground. I had to do some readjusting for that but again I'm I'm just unwilling so give it up and I know that when you walk into space and you like stand in your integrity and you also have like a little bit of Brooke Davis. Let's be real. I built her. I'm like Auburn. If I can house down so I I want it to be great. And I- I analyze it a little bit differently since for sure Was Interesting thing too. Is that a lot of that happened. Really before the metoo reckoning that really rose up in Hollywood and did you find that and your interactions with people within the industry might have been a little different pre that happening you know like after you have the Chicago. PD incident. Did you feel that some producers were maybe like a well now. We can't work with her because she seems like she is speaking out. You know before now. It seems like we're encouraging people to speak out. Seems like seems seems like I'm like show me any real evidence has ever been good to stand up to them for themselves anywhere. I mean. Look what just happened to Gab Union. Like she's about that. Yeah like when a black woman is working on a set and is told that her hairstyles or two black for Network TV. Steve you like excuse me. Excuse me and you're going to tell her she doesn't have the right to complain about that rather than I don't know fire. The person making those remarks to her like just it just shows you that the system is still backwards and women who stand up for themselves are still punished but I think that the more of us who do it and the more of us who talk about it and the more of us who are open about it the more the system's going to have to change more quickly. I understand that those things don't happen overnight but they should have happened a long time ago and I know at least for me. It took me about a year to get out of my contract because when you sign a TV deal they own you like they own you for six years and I left at the end of season for so that took a lot of work for me when that happened. I left at the end of April and the and the Harvey Story and Metoo as a big sort of public movement broke in July so it was very interesting because I was alone and then suddenly things started to change and I realized there were people people who knew you know. When the time's up letter was being drafted I was one of the first people they called? Sign it and they said like we know what's up and and I thought okay. This is good but it's interesting interesting that as open about my experiences and all of the incidents that I was put through as I've been you know I had a conversation with Docs about it on his his podcast and people were like well now. She's making claims I was like do you think I can't just go back. In screen shot all my tweets and my instagram. Do you think like just if you weren't paying attention it doesn't mean I wasn't talking about it and I remember even you know when I think back to my first because they make you go through on a show and I'm sure they do this in writers rooms where you where you have the sexual harassment and we went through our sexual harassment. Talk our first season in Chicago and the NBC. HR person comes and gives you the talk. And they tell the story of a woman who was a writer on friends who felt like she was being targeted by really sexually explicit jokes in the writer's room so she sued dude for harassment and the network beat her lawsuit claiming that the writer's room has to be this free space for inappropriate jokes to define comedy. And I was like this. This is the talk. You're giving us before you tell us that if we're experiencing harassment we should report it. Do you guys are telling us about how you like. Be Okay you could use that for justification for anything by by the way you know. It's like well. We're making a gritty drama. Here you obviously need to hear chorus jokes because the world is tough or whatever you know. It's just so stupid. And it's hard to engage with that you know we just had lizzy Caplan on the show. How and she talked about how filming masters of sex was a different environment and things? The set would probably be different now but you know that was a show about sexuality throughout and it had a lot of nudity and sex scenes. And it's like. How do you engage with that in a respectful way? Yes in a respectful manner and I think that's what's important and I think it's the reason that so many of us in in my lane or talking about having a person on set whose job it is to oversee just that whether that person is a trained psychologist psychologist or sex expert or some things someone onset who can help navigate that situation. Because you know it's weird when you have to just I work with all these people and their quirks and their things you know you don't know them. You don't know who people are going in. And and you don't know if you're going to end up in the dream writer's room or a toxic writer's room and I will never forget when we sort of circled the wagons after metoo broken Two of the female writers on one Tree Hill had talked about their experiences says with marksman one of the women talked about how she had bent over sitting on the couch like bent to. I think retire Schumer pick something I don't remember. And and he put a soda can on the back of her head and was like wait. See if it'll balance. And when she like held still it was like okay. I don't WanNa drop it. Drop it. He was like you know. Look at bat like back of your heads flat and made some crass joke about essentially how she could probably hold a beer for a guy while giving a blow job and it's like that's disgusting inappropriate. You'd probably shouldn't have touched her in the first place. But that's the joke you're gonNA make to a woman who you employ when you are her boss. Also what is your wife. Think of that. Did you talk to the women you employ like this and I remember the guys in the room just being like we never knew what to say. Because if we'd step in he'd I'd be like get a sense of humor or he threw out a thing like do you like having a job. You know some sort of threat and it's like how do you know if you're going to end up in a writer's room like yours or a writer. Yeah my kid's truly can be worse than that situation. I mean I mean I'm sure the answer is there are plenty of versions of worse but that is just so horrible. It's just awful. It's awful well and and yet it gets normalized because what was happening to me in Chicago was so normalized by everyone around me because people were afraid to upset the a system that keeps the show going and when I started talking to people who had nothing to do with the show and telling them what was going on. I mean the look of horror on people's faces just being like have you called the police. Have you like that kind of response and I was going okay so I'm not crazy. This really isn't normal but there's something about these environments where where the environment itself is the package like it gets built into the ship pass to move forward and so nobody wants to disrupt it and I think that I'm curious to see how we start creating change in systems where things can be fixed without people feeling like they're a threat to the system because I think that's why so many people are afraid to really rally or stand up or do something the thing and and my hope is that now. Some of that is changing even Gab. Being able to talk so frankly about what's going on for her right now. I don't think that would have happened happened a couple of years ago but I also don't see it helping her yet. I think it helps a cause but I know that a lot of us are really sick of like being a martyr for the causes. Uh having to feel like you're staging a coup back to speaking up for common sense or decency or whatever I'm like let's just make this a nice place to work for. Everyone will thank you so much for being here so feel. You've just going to end on a really. What is your favorite? CD ever did on one tree hill. Favorite scene I ever did. I love the one with you standing in front of the screen and like all the words of like take downs and Yeah I like that scene. That's my favorite like like a motion seen for sure like the break up with Lucas. which one won't budge? They're the one after the wedding where you're mad and taking. Oh that was a good one to. I had to cry so hard. That day game was of a migraine I also really loved in the later years. There was a just because it became like kind of a catch phrase. There was this scene where I kind of like went off on Julian and Alex and I'm like hue fired you couch Chow bitches like it was a whole like people started saying Chow bitches everywhere that year and I really loved it. A lot of crisis says was it you who said stay out of it. Nicolas de paying might even her because I took him as a date to something else. Oh God you girls you're arguing and he interjects state out of it Nicholas. Let's say it was one of us for sure what's left of me. Good Song Sweet. Nike was such a good sport on our show. I loved like a moment of of of personal growth for Brooklyn. She is getting ready to trash terrace cafe and she says it's some version of like I used to be a bitch just for the sake of it but now I'm a bitch for my family and friends and it was like such a thing where she was like. I'm growing but I'm still GONNA come in here and be a nightmare to you. She was just fun. CEO Close over. Thank you for being your position. 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The generation thank you start streaming December eighth only on showtime last week while promoting her new movie peanut butter Falcon which I had no idea existed. Those are three words that routinely do not go together. It seems disturbing to pair them. It sounds like a porn. I would love to watch Taryn Eggerton. Okay wow yeah good reference drizzle that Jeff sick choosy IRAS shoes tear negative. I'm GONNA leave the room faster than you. Even think but Dakota Johnson starts in this film and she went on the Ellen Degeneres show to promote it and she ended up in one of the most tense. It's Caucasian women situations. I have seen outside of lead in the roommate. Talk about a hand at rock. The cradle talking single white female. The knives were out the most painful thing I've ever watched I because I didn't know like I said I couldn't read the room. I had no clue if she was mad at her. If it was like contrived I didn't know Ellen's always trying to push jokes forward. It was painful it holds up to repeat viewings in this way too because I keep trying to parse the dynamic like what still isn't being said we'll get into to start. The interview asked about Dakota's thirtieth birthday party in October and said out the gay. Hey she came out the gate boxing. How was the party? I wasn't invited question one right. That's really crazy by the way like so. This is my industry three right like I work on talk shows. Most interviews are very planned. The the questions are written the anecdotes are there given time in advance to basically prepare the anecdote to make them good enough for TV to make them entertaining so to start on discombobulating notes. Such as this. If in fact she is spring. This kind of question on Dakota is a wild move and I feel like maybe they even joked back and forth a bit about it because like yeah I was Pratt before I went on Kgo bear. You know and I feel like she. They probably we had a conversation. A joke about like missing your thirtieth birthday like I could believe that that was at least a plan but then the conversation itself is so awkward and it makes you wonder just to cut and want to kill this woman right and it makes you wonder Ellen. Are you this job because an interview should not be this awkward. I bet within the plan they had her saying I wasn't invited wasn't part of it. I bet she added that. That's my guess and Dakota immediately shot back actually actually no. That's not the truth. Alan a line down and also there's something particularly a fascinating about the way Dakota Johnson says it because it's not like a a Joaquin Phoenix type. Nah hostility were you know. Brought awed an obvious and Brash on its bother right it is a murmur but she also has like blase innocence to her I don't even think she's coming for La Right. Yeah provocative client truth teller. You were invited. She said as she added that she wanted to make sure to invite Ellen because last time I was on the show last year you gave me a bunch of Shit about not inviting you. But I didn't even know you want it to be invited which. Ll because. I feel like Alan. Lynn would love to be at every celebrities party regardless of whether she likes them. She's just that kind of person Ellen's life is just in pursuit of another dancefloor. She's like where can and I go to down yet. There's also something about the tone of that sentence in particular where She Dakota johnsons saying. Why would you care about doubt me like we normally wouldn't mix thirty year? Did you think that you would talk to my Ma Melanie Griffith there. Is it about Melania. Would you talk Don Johnson about out. Yeah I don't know why Ellen would be Ed Tacoma Johnson's birthday party. That is always a funny thing about celebrity birthdays to me. There's always a huge guest-list right and I'm a person you've been on my birthday Lewis. I'm a person who loves inviting a lot of the people that I know and even just friendly with La but a lot of times. I feel like celebrity. Parties are full of people who aren't even fucking friends no right there because oh it's a credit Johnson's birthday. Dr Kick it yeah. Birthdays are part of the job. Yeah and an essential part of the job. I guess at Allen said well who wouldn't want to be invited to a party and Dakota laughs it off saying I didn't even know you like to me and of course I like you. You knew I liked you. You've been on the show many times and I don't show like that is a very intimidating thing to say also also just like baby yoga. Yeah show like I don't show like good something in Dakota's comment is opening up the possibility you that Alan has a secret list of people doesn't like or something so I feel like there's something extra sinister there maybe even on accident again issue coming for her. Who can say? which is the undercurrent of why this took the Internet by storm? We have to mention. Of course there are many stories from people all inside the industry about the fact that Allen is not nice. I'm often conflicted about how meaningful that should be to me like. I'm not like if if she you were outright rude and toxic. Obviously there are problems there but at the same time like for example. This is just the name that's coming to mind. If you heard that Robert Downey junior were a complete asshole on whatever the set of whatever movie it would you care. It wouldn't even stay in the headlines would expect them to be an asshole and look at Ellen. I'm like okay. I get that your facade or your personality to the world is I'm a happy. Go lucky on on lesbian. But you've been famous since you were like twenty five. I don't expect you to have a rounded out personality and to understand social cues anymore right. I really don't I would say that. I hate people who are assholes in a work environment where they make it impossible for you to work with them of total but but if she were a fun as like like the contents loosed up I find that funny. Yeah and amusing but the stories that we often hear about Allen. Don't seem in the amusing using way. That's why I feel like the Internet jumped on this story is what's happening here. Is People want something to be confirmed and they want. They're using this interview interview to find clues to confirm it. Yes and it also ties in with the fact that the date of the birthday party was the weekend and that Ellen was with George W Bush is at the Dallas Cowboys Packer game could could it be more perfect. Couldn't be now see that I I mean again I I. I'm sure it's just coincidence. Try Voice I am right there with you code. That almost feels like a sting right. I remember in the interview of the the producer. And she's like well. Why didn't I go? You know a Dakota says ask your producer Jonathan Jr which is a wild awesome. When she was like I invited you you ask everybody? Yeah you're you're surrounded ellen chip producers. Yeah Yeah invited. You had that thing though. It was also interesting because then there was a camera on the producer. Almost makes me think that was plan exactly because yeah you know so. I don't know actually if they were going for a particular like a saucy dynamic and it wasn't supposed to trickle into hostility and yet it did I don't know the best part of the interview I would say is the second half which did not get enough circulation. It was when Allen asks about Pignataro performing at the birthday party and Dakota says tickets my favorite comedian Indian other than you and Ellen asked what it take do. Add Dakota's like she did it set fucking comedian like she blew up balloons. Let me like what else. Yeah Allen then jazz back with a comment about her favourite actress Jennifer Aniston then. That's a funny joke. It's fun it is ellen watching the morning show. Don't ask her to set up apple. TV plus now looking at Jennifer Aniston stared herself in mirrors. Go some name Bradley Jackson. Yes with brain cells fall Out of your face. When you say the name Bradley Jackson she is going hard to play? A gender swapped Jackson main quiet in the morning show. It also ends with a clip from a previous episode. Where Dakota's co-star shall above named her as his best onscreen kiss and then said he was lying and Dakota says classic and then they go to a commercial break? The whole thing can go play what it's happening right and was that clips again when you watch Ellen's game of games and you see the joy she takes sort of you know spring someone through the roof or scaring bring them or whatever. You do wonder if there's an extra bit of joy she gets in keeping people on their toes so to speak you know so when she shows a clip like that to the CODA Johnson is the intention. Gotcha well I think we can officially say to coach Johnson Hive. Yes by the way I have been for a little while I was. If you're not running a crazy fans love her for fifty shades specifically no I like her other presences in film. It's like a Kristen Stewart. Situation where she's unfortunately fortunately known for the worst thing she's ever done and but if you ever watch a bigger splash she's so good in that with Refines it's movie directed by Luc Aguado. Nino who of course did call me by your name and then another look Guadagno moving experience area which I don't love that movie is to me. Can I actually haven't seen it. Oh because longish. I love Luca but I was out of the country when it was released last year and also I have such a huge fan of the original speech that I it was taking me a moment just to get into it. But I'm watching. I would describe it as expectedly grotesque like you know what direction it's going in right at the beginning so insane and unfortunately predictably gory but she at the center of the movie at first feels like she's just going to be a cipher and then turns out to run this fucking movie. I would compare it to Vicky creeps in Phantom throughout in that way where it's like. Wow you're the bitch in this fucking movie that's Great. I can't wait to see it you you'll like it When we're back keep it and we're back with an all new segment called keep it? It's brand new. Never done it before. Oh my God. I'm so glad we're trying it. Yes Louis. What is your keep it this week? This is a almost populist. Keep there's not a person on earth who wouldn't say keep it to this damn thing to that amazing Peleton add. We were all just subjected to the other day. If you you haven't seen it it's just a thirty second normal commercial for Peleton which is a cult involving riding a bicycle in place. It's like the new soul cycle. But you do it at home and instructors sort of end up feeling like your friends or something. It sounds a little scary to me but okay anyway. The PELETON commercial works like this. A woman goes home. She already has a frantic look on her face. Something is up with this woman. She hasn't been exercising. That's right man doesn't exercise feels frantic. There's something the look in her eyes is. I've eaten the bad berries. That's where she gets a present from her husband in the present is an exercise bike. Already the toxicity looms. What's happening here? Ear kind of relationship is going on this unacceptable. She starts writing this damn bike every day and the look on her face can only be described as I'm so excited I'm so excited. I'm so scared from saved by the bell. She is a panting hyperventilating wolverine on this bike in her like Magenta Yoga pants that they start. Flash forwarding ahead. And she's like I've been doing the bike for six days now like trying to please her husband and we don't see much of the husband. We don't know how happy he is yet. She keeps paddling. She keeps keeps paddling and then finally at the end. She's taking selfies of herself on the bike. A rabid animal. This woman is out of control. She hasn't eaten in months. She is Brittany Murphy in. Don't don't say a word quiet. Yes right except she's not whispering. She's screaming isn't it the movie where she's like now never tell how all she's doing she is telling in this case N.. Panting finally she meets her goal for the month or whatever and she's sitting with her husband who has the faintest look of satisfaction on his face. Not Not even fill out approval just like a smile that his wife one quote unquote enjoyed her gift and she is now married to this mother fucking Peleton and has no life outside outside of it anyway it is very toxic. It is her performance in the commercial is so comedic -ly intense to me while pretending and she is having a good time which is unfortunately very very hilarious and we'll be watching this with my family over the break. When I go home for Christmas it is a true delight and truly really scary and guys don't give I'm going to quote Aaron Gloria Ryan? Here just don't give an exercise bike to your spouse. Don't do it. I say no to that are you. What's your keep? It might keep it a specifically for all my keep its end up being from that have made me mad. Oh this one is for an a dead man Sir Doc doc Martin. I'm so you're tainted. I bought a pair of platform. Doc Martens maybe six months ago. I've been wearing them every few weeks I think consistently for for the past few months and my feet look like the leather on the shoe. Do you how because the the the shoes are constricting. The shoes are so difficult to a break in it takes months and months at a time and you have to be very consistent about it and my feet urges now scrubbing and scarring and scheduling and scoring over and over again and and I have to wear a double socks. It's ridiculous it shouldn't be difficult to break in a pair of doc martens and wearing double socks. My feet are scab. I feel like a chimney sweep. Mary very poppins asked pain. That I'm feeling for no reason. This hardest rubber imaginable. It's like Boeing airplane tires. Insanity they are. I have a pair uh of Doc Martens and they are truly insane to even put on insane to tie and clopping around in New York City and then they don't so you can have a soul to keep you from slipping in the snow. So I really don't know the point in wearing doc martens and less your best friend yeah it's a militaristic blitz heuristic Ronald McDonald show. That's what it is. If you were headed off to the Marines he would be wearing the show. It's a utility boot with that. Causes me no utility. Do you know what I mean right. I feel like California doesn't even have earthquakes. We just have a large population of indicates stomping around in these giant asked doc martens and that's what the earthquakes actually art and yet what goes better with a pair of hoop earrings. Doc Martens that is the Look Ladies and gentlemen thank me back to ninety four. Just keep it fix it. Make It make something happen. I'm done I'm done being in pain to look okay to look mediocre in boots and then like hobbling around i. I'm worried about your feet. It bothers me. You realize you're trying your best over. I'm sorry sorry for these size. This week is to the ever-growing you never ending discourse around Queen and Slim speak on it if you have not seen or heard of the movie it is. Lina waves new film directed by Melina MIC soukous. It Stars Jodie Turner Smith and Daniel Columbia and it is about a black. I want to call them couple. But they're not a couple in the opening because they meet on tinder date and then they accidentally shoot caught in self defense and then go on the run. People have called it a version of Bonnie and Clyde by you know a Lena has referred to it sort of as a reverse underground railroad because they're traveling to the south to try to escape the Cuba she's compared to the wizard avars which makes sense because there are many points in the film where they are travelling to freedom to freedom and just stop and donal like let me ride a horse or let me right out the window of Marquardt in moments that really do not make sense and I would say hey though that I liked seventy percent of the film I think there's a thirty percent of it that a little a few ridiculous moments and also I'm not a huge fan of the ending Not GonNa Spoil it but you know it's you can assume probably what the end is going to be. It's a dark movie. I would say that the discourse that's knowing me is on both sides of the aisle. I'm really appreciating writers like Brooke. Ob Angelica Bastion Clark Kent who are writing beautiful wonderful reviews of this film Three black women writing fantastic reviews of this film critiques. That are necessary to read their great companion pieces to carver. Wallace's piece in the New York Times which is also beautiful but that is a perspective from a black man so it's nice seeing them all in conversation with each other you know and I wish that we could just have that conversation with one another instead of the one side of people who are saying. The film is anti-black and saying the film deserve not be made and we should burn it and The other side which is attacking these film reviewers for for critiquing a film because it's black art and we shouldn't put each other down we should all uplift and I'm sorry this is don't make no sense to me. What does anti-black? Hey Black mean in this case I don't understand just you know because it's sort of like a black lives matter sort of film and there's a lot of things when you see it are things that would repel some black people. Oh entering in some ways that a white audience might not see. Yeah I think that also the fear is I've heard a lot of people critic and saying that it's black trauma porn. We we keep continuing to make slave movies like Harriet. Keep making movies about people getting in situations with cops and we're like right down. Give American sign. We also need to give black doc. People the space and I don't think this movie was bad. I actually really enjoyed this movie but even if it were a bad movie we need to give people the space to make bad movies to make things that aren't necessarily the correct thing to say in his eight guys because that's how we grow from things. How many times have we seen Nazi films? Yeah why people who are allowed to make a million nights Nazi films and that's okay so let us make our caught caught movies until they're all dried out and we don't have anything else to say about them but for now there's still a lot of commentary to be made. Have you noticed the career of Adam Sandler I mean. How many times has he got in the? It's wrong in this lifetime. I'm saying you know I would love to see more black romantic films. Atlantic's which is on Netflix. See that movie. I have to see that I'm so sad. I haven't seen that movie but also yeah. We need to get black rates space to stumble to make the stories that they wanna tell. And I think that that's the way that we keep getting better films There are plenty of avenues for Black Romance and I hope that we can get them post this movie. I will say that. Yes a lot of complaints. Were saying that this isn't a love story as it's touted as traumatic point story. And I compare it to Beale Street if Beale street could talk which I thought was a beauty romantic film which also deals with a bit of trauma and the black community but even some people don't want any of that trauma in it. They wanted to have a good time. You know that's why I love movies like beyond the lights are like Jason's lyric at. Its reminded me a lot of the Harriet discourse where people were coming for Casey Lemons without having even seen the movie and we're not going to disrespect the director of by like that. Okay Lewis US thought. I was going to use bio two iconic women in that movie. It's been forever since I've seen Eve's by is thought at the time. One thousand nine hundred eight. Yeah Yeah Well has journeys smell at in. And meagan good but I'm talking about Diane Carol Yes of course. Downright he and Lynn Whitfield another legend. Yes in the same movie. God what are we gonNa see more of that. I want to see Lynn Whitfield. You gotta tune in Greenleaf which is fun. I love Greenlee but anyway thanks again. Bush and next week keep it is a product of trickled media. Carolina Reston is our producer. It's caroline like the princess the one one you don't care about our editor is Bill Lance and Kyle Seguin is our sound engineer thanks to our digital team allies account and not a name Melconian Dan for filming and editing are video content every week.

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Sophia Bush tells us her favorite things!

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Sophia Bush tells us her favorite things!

"What's up I was having a quick snack. Disa- juicy honey crisp apple with cinnamon on top. What is an apple add? No I just love apples. Little getting paid by Macintosh. Now we're getting paid by Fuck with some other types of apples now. Trae has no. There's like red delicious. I like honey Crisp Ali. Chris that sounds like a serial tie. Like what's your favorite apple. There's so many like green. You do their sour again. I I don't know I like Red Light Green. There's more than one to like okay. There's like the red delicious apple you're talking about but then there's like the sponsor with a little yellow yellow apples or something entirely too many. Got The pink Pearl and probably first of all all these different types of apples also sound like they could be ladies sex toys. You got the pink Pearl. You Got Ambrosia you got Arkansas black. You know what you got beauty of Wilshire and the other British people out there ought British ladies. You need a vibrator winter banana disaster apple gold. Spur for all. You Westerners out there at the Green Apple Rambo Apple. Jesus that one probably hurts a lot. This is crazy. I don't see any of these grocery stores. No we got red green yellow anyway. Jesus Christ man. I'm a honey crisp guy. This is how bad it's gotten. We're fucking doing why. Ft ON APPLE's educated. Some people. Okay thank God we have listen to your heart coming out. I am so pumped about this and honestly girls out there that have thing for musicians. You should be pumped about this because this is twenty single musicians that are coming to the Bachelor Mansion. It's basically the bachelor all musicians. I'm so pumped yes. When is it coming out because I need this now? I cannot wait April. Thirteenth is the day that the next bachelor chapter begins in our lives man. Romance hot tubs Chris. Harrison and of course drama drama drama also. Why wasn't I a part of this in like bartending for all these people was actually just about the ask that because they have some of the biggest names in music judging the show like Jason Mraz and cash and Bachelor Nation Fan Favorites? It's not you against which the new bachelor hopefuls will make beautiful music together. Who Will Strike the right note? And who is there for the song reasons? I see what you did there seriously. I'm really pumped to watch this living in Nashville. This is GonNa hit right at home for me. I'm super pumped about this show. So make sure you guys check it out the bachelor presents. Listen to your heart. Six episode events starting Monday April Thirteenth eight seven central on ABC. I know we're early in on this. Corentin and I know that I need to relax but I had barbecue last night and it was the best fucking thing I've ever had in my entire life like. Did you do the barbecuing? No we've gone like ordered it out and like like I forgot how good barbecue because I've been eating. You know like salads and chicken and like you know like simple stuff to make and then all of a sudden you know my quarantine ass had some fucking barbecue. And she's you know what man if the whole Armageddon. We can't forget about barbecue now. If you choose your last meal would it be barbecue? I don't know if it was so amazing. Last night I was like I R- observe so good anyways. How's your quarantine It's fine. I'm just going a little. Stir crazy to be honest. It was fun for two weeks now. I'm Nancy now. I want to start working. I wonder if they're making the money. I WANNA get out of the house. I WANNA see some people. I can't believe I'm saying it. It's time but it's not at all not even close to. Do you know what I did. I bought a golf simulator and put it up in my garage. I can play golf while we're stuck at the house. Wow that sounds expensive. It was expensive and so the only stock going up. Apparently as Peleton. Everyone in their mom has gotten a Peleton. Does that in Zoom Zoom Zoom great right now Shoulda jumped early on zoom. Yeah probably still you know. Everyone's just so bored and I was watching this. There's lot British live commentator that has just been live commentating just like life and I thought I played some of. It's so funny Ontario. His name is Nick Health. This is him commentating on watching two guys in the park playing soccer. Join me here. Live at To sing common and lift the final of the two learning blokes in a par- com- tests and all. That was absolutely terrible. We've come to expect really from these two. I've been here for some time. A few runners in the distance not keeping enough distance. Frankly I'm not well these two Useless Thankful Place playoff lights up and then he did one of women in the park on a walk. Their kids in strollers. And I've seen a lot of those. This was great man. The international full by full push formation final. Well we've got the up front pair of course a Johansson and Ericson from Sweden and they're in with the Brits here and Smith and black particularly well thank goodness with them around this very delicate then. Of course I'm pretty familiar with this. Call some not allowed to what sold them become European champions just a few months ago great to see them back and then this was my favorite he titled It after Lunch Break. Twenty twenty crossroad Dash. It's people walking across the street. Crossroad Dash like terms to read. We wait for the beets are now then. Jd Sports about. He's going to install leggings told me outside. O. J. D.'s distract today with a show about legs. She does it again. Free titles in three days off past vegas gold for the lap of ONA victorious anyways. I tell you what man the world's going to shit but the Internet is winning brownouts alive and well on the Internet Internet just thriving. Do you WANNA start. Shall we would wish by. Do you WanNa do when you turn. Thank you turn brose and hose. You're listening to year. They've they were thing podcast with F Wells and Brandy live from quarantine. I am a on day. Fifteen of quarantine. Do you know what day you're on seventeen. The last day that I went out was the Wednesday after the bachelor finale so then Thursday was my first day of quarantine I don't know is that seventeen is at seventy five is at three hundred and twenty nine. I don't know what is timing what it doesn't even matter because you still have to stay there. I think everybody thought like all fourteen days and we'll be good like everyone. We good now now. The fourteen days meant nothing. There are no days anymore. I don't know who needs to hear this but today's Monday That was funny and then I saw people that were sending that to me but it was like. I don't know who need to hear this but today's like Saturday to Saturday. You know every day is Saturday for now so funny you say okay so tighter kings you talking now. I'm I have been binging ozark nonstop. Okay hold on so joe. Exotic writes a song called here could he? Kitty THAT IS ABOUT CAROL. Baskin killing her husband and feeding him to the Lions. Which if you watch the fucking show and of long very real possibility right this on the show or is this a recent development no he wrote like four or five years ago and so then. I tweeted out. Am I learning here? Kitty Kitty on the guitar. Whilst wearing a wig on a Sunday morning. Yes yes I am and I realized that today's Monday and everyone was like today's Monday. Dude now's like what are days anymore and then I saw that Nathan follow. Will the Drummer for Kings Leon? He responded with I thought today was Saturday and I said Dude every day is Saturday now. Also will you play drums on my cover here Kitty Kitty and he said meow you're talking. I thought you'd never ask. Wow you made it. Yeah well Nathan and his wife are big bachelor fans. I knew them back in the my Nashville days. Oh You A. I'm excited about today's episode. Because we are going to have the very talented Sophia Bush on the Shell Loki. I'm obsessed with her heike obsessed. I mean wondering he'll fit was honestly my favorite show still. Is You know what once I finished Ozark. I might go back and start wondering from day one as well though I love it that much. Obviously I know who Sophia Bushes but I never watched one tree hill. I mean she's done so much more than just that but that was like her Hannah Montana if you will occur first big break and she was really young when she did it and it lasted forever and ever and ever. I think there's like eight seasons. Maybe more was done. Kramer was on. Yep Kramer is on it Hillary Scott is a bunch of people on that show. But she's done things since then. I kind of nowhere. More recently disrepair activism like. She's very involved in human rights and political stuff than just. She's just all about doing all of the good things and bringing awareness to all of the human rights situations on her instagram. So if you guys into that. I learned a lot by following harness. Ceramill tie that but she just super cool and has the coolest voice ever talking voice. So I'm excited to get talk to her today. You got some faith. Things brew not that. I was expecting to be disappointed at all. 'cause I wasn't those archies in three is so dang good so good how are you? I'm like on the third episode so I'm still for the new. It's not a competition. All right it's new for me usually. You're ahead of me and Well I got a lot of things from you. Know creating virtual golf to play in the garage I had to build a simulator. You know I created a character named Jericho James so we also saw that you and Sarah are watching your season of the Bachelorette. Yes the fact that that comes before. Ozark has its own issues. But so here's the thing about like quarantining and stuff with binging. Get sick of the same thing. It's groundhog day over and over and over again. I need to switch it up and last night. She was like this. Watch your season and like let's do it and you don't realize are fucking season was hilarious. Yeah was great. It was such a good. I'm sorry it was so much better than any season I can recall Joe Joe was a really good. Bachelorette shoe usually good in the guy's really funny and and all the guys like each other because it was all for one against Chad you know Yeah we only watched two episodes but it was so funny I mean just. The story is guys. Posted were hilarious. Yeah you really do look so different. I don't know why because I got the I grew facial hair. What do you think about it? That's not why but Now that we're talking about that I'm here for the facial hair. Oh you are yes yes very here for Sarah likes to and I find that interesting. I I look disgusting with it. Why because I grow facial hair like a fourteen year old Hispanic boy? It's like patchy it just looks gross. It's definitely not like the greatest situation the WHO I've ever seen. But there's something about like a little scruffy that gives you like a little I don't know just makes you a little ref around the edges and a good way kind of exactly what Sarah Saddam. You know great. I was so thin back then. You were really thin. Yeah you seem so different to me. Now I know is in a bad way. You think no in a good way. It's it's weird almost now it's like and it makes total sense like so much has changed for you. Now have so much of your shit together. I feel now that you didn't then but I just feel like when you're in that place in life where you're still dating and trying to figure everything out and I don't know you still have some what you want accomplish career wise and you're just kind of floating like right. You're like in that space. Where yeah got a solid career? But like I can do other things and still looking for a way and all the I don't know you. Just emanate like a different vibe and then once you have it all figured out and like you get settled down and you meet the person near longer searching and fill those voids. I feel like you emanate like a different. Not just you like in general like then you. Just emanate like a different like a piece sense. I don't know just like not searching for so many things does generalization. But that's Kinda I feel about you. It's like I don't know how you just seem. More leveled centered of so much thinner back. Then is that what you're hung up on? It is kind of what I'm hang hung up on but the thing was I was really really thin because I had gotten sick before. That got really really sick. I look thin but I wasn't really a healthy. I don't think you're still thin. Yeah Okay thank you. How much. Dua One sixty. Wow everyone has been asking where they can watch. Do We fucking bought it on. I tunes because guess what we have nothing else to do. Actually and then we rented it on. I tunes like five ninety nine. It's not like it's like super expensive to rent the season of the Bachelorette. I think we're going to do it every Monday night. We're GONNA watch another episode of my season. The Bachelor and Bachelor. Mondays is insane but probably great for your instagram engagement. Yeah Jericho James's new care to them work in you know. I'm kicking off the dirt on this. What do you think about Jerry? Jones law? People said I looked a lot like your dad. I don't like that comparison at all. Nope Jericho James Journal. Give me nightmares is. That was that name. Jericho James the country now. He's he's a country singer and he's going to tell you about love love loss yoga poses. It's all the shit that people are doing if all the things that people are doing on instagram which is like Cigna Psalm showing you workout routines. I feel like Jericho James could be a tick tock star but he used to see him on your instagram to you know also could be a tick tock star. Yeah I mean he's a star in the world so that's all that matters. Yes I mean. Ozark is fucking amazing. It's so good. Hey Jason Bateman can you do when you're constantly new now I need because I'll outsider and download the ozark in probably forty eight hours. Is this the last season it is isn't it? I Dunno days. Maimon you the frigging genius. I started little fires everywhere. Like it a lot do you. Yes I do. It's good. It's got almost got a big little lies vibe to it I agree reese witherspoon. Ju just kind of place that character a lot which is like uppity rich white person which found Little Puckett. She delays it. Well she does. She's had a great career. She was cute. Young Child Star. And then Kinda. Like the hot blue bombshell and now. She's kind of like the hot mom totally. That's what you want. You want to get on that guy trajectory. The other thing that we watched is the invisible man. Oh is that a movie. Yes a movie. It was supposed to be in theaters. But they've put it you know you can rent it now. Okay yeah it's it's adapted from a book. It's not from the book that I suggested a while ago which was visible man and now but I do think it is adapted from a book. It is phenomenal. Who's in that? It's the girl from. Do you like the show. The House Midwife St- Housewives No Something tailing a midwife tale a summer house tail and his tail air. Wow we got issues. Yeah it's her she does a Gr he's such a good actress did Yeah it's really good. I suggest it. It's it's got some good meal jump moments really. Yeah I'm on episode eight of Ozark so I'm much further than you and that's where a lot of my time has gone. You're three don't I'm not GonNa read anything. Have you gotten to the part where Jason Bateman wipes brother comes into the picture? Yes he is a great character very excited about his character. Good good good. It brings a fresh something into the series that we needed other than that. It's less world still on that train have you. Have you tried that at all? Yes I'm like in Westworld. I'm like what are your thoughts on it. I think we're only two episodes in like I told you we're doing we're piecemeal in this thing. Were US confused. As I was about season about episode one year but I liked it I liked her breaking into the guy's house in fucking killing him and I loved it but I was just like who is Aaron. Paul how do you fit into the story? Where did you come from? What are you doing? I don't get it. I also on episode one? I also like in the future. There's like a task rabbit for mobsters. It's like to make some money. Go fucking kill somebody Jimmy into your account. Now the job it will be options are like fuck or like no basic bitch or something. That's pretty funny so yeah. I'm still living that but I I really do. There's just so much that I have to kind of go online after I watch it and breed breakdowns about it to really get everything. That's in the episode. Yeah but I really recommend it because it's much easier to understand. We also started watching a show called the plot against America on HBO. I've seen previews for that. How is that really good? So honest read it to you. Plot against America an alternate American history during World War. Two is told through the eyes of the working class Jewish family in New Jersey as they endure the political rise of Charles Lindbergh who captures the presidency and turns the nation towards fascism. The plot against America. John Turturro's in it while no rider is in it. Anthony Boyle is in it and he actually was in Harry Potter on. He was the original Scorpius in Harry Potter on Broadway. We got to meet it. And he was like total. Show stealer in that production. And he's a British kid and he's playing this New York Jewish kid from nineteen thirty nine and he is so good. Wow not that I know like New York accidents that well but Sarah was like Jesus Christ New York accent is good so anyways check it out. It's really good. I'm I've been wanting. Watch a play Trivia sport all the time I know it's also scary that like we were. I mean if you look at it like that we were so close to like not getting in the World War Two and helping out speaking of World War Two. Yes we gotta talk about baby boomers. History was my least favorite subject in school. Let me tell you. What are we talking about? Baby boomers so they're saying the crow virus is going to be the thing that wipes out the baby. The baby boomers right Baby boomers I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's like a hatred of government or like a firm steady diet of Fox News but baby boomers are not buying into the Corogne I'm tell tell you right now. My mother being one of these people who really. She's like they cancel tennis again. We're like what the fuck are you talking about playing tennis? Well I'm separated by Entire Tennis court. Yeah you're holding the tennis ball that the other person is holding. I don't think it's going to be. It's going to be that bad lady. You realize we're fucking staying inside because you guys were trying to make them booms okay and they don't WanNa believe it. Did THEIR BUSINESS OUT THERE? That think it's a hoax. I know it's bad. I also find that a lot of people in that age range also just They're the number one thing I hear them say it's just not that bad. It's just not that big of a deal. Somebody that does some stuff for for me here like on the Horse Property sometimes said to me said to me today because I didn't want he sometimes. He likes to bring his kids by and I just asked him not to do that during this time and he his words were. Oh really. Corona virus isn't a big deal in Tennessee. I was like what are you talking about? We're on a citywide locked out like business or closed. No one's in school. What do you mean? It's not bad here and then just blew my mind but you're right it is that is a very common mentality. Yeah do the booms. They don't get it. The boom boom does get it. Is My Mama Boom. Yeah no I bet you. She's now the well. I don't know I mean your mom. Looks like he's fucking my age so she did. She was born in sixty seven. I think so the no. She's not a boom boom as forty six to sixty four She just makes that cutoff. Yeah 'cause she's taking it seriously. Yeah but but your parents smoke so much weed. So they're fucking paranoid at shit. You know what my mom actually hasn't smoked since this whole thing began because she thinks that like smoking weed is GonNa make her more vulnerable to the booms fight advertised though her. Sure for sure. I have a bunch of music. Should I say you have a bunch of music? I was just thinking I keep saying that. So many artists are postponing their album. Yeah like released because of this which I don't like I understand it partly from a business perspective that they're thinking why Don but the amount if I can't tour to support it and I can't whatever do the TV shows is important. Whatever but on the into that. I'm like why not put it out now because everyone sitting at home and we'll stream and by and listen to your album now but I mean there's not a whole lot of new music coming out because of what's going on we'll your sister's got some new music. Out Noah got so high I saw Jeez Said we're not. We're not playing last week. I don't think so. Oh God kit a play you WanNa have so feel on and then do music at the end. Yeah we probably should stick with our or formats the loose format which would probably stick with. Yeah do you have any other favorite things then I got it? Oh I got a new sweatpants set that I'm a big fan of dude. That's the most Rona I've ever heard in my life. You don't I love right now. So we got this little battery operated coffee stir. That is the laziest thing I've ever heard. I know dude just and then like dude. You're not it's not but you know what I also note. I'm trying to save time for this point. No kidding I don't over think I don't think I've ever thought to myself you know. I really wish I could stir my coffee more aggressively. You can make fun of me all you want. But I'm getting for your birthday and you're going to be like you're right thinking of coffee and my favorite things. I WanNa say veteran yes. Congratulations to Ben. You weren't 'cause I was GONNA say it now New York. Congratulations to van. Higgins and Jess Clarke Clarke. Soon to be Higgins. Soon to be Higgins. I'm so happy that that news is out because I've known about that for quite some time and it's been very hard to keep quiet because sure because I love them so much and I love him so much and I'd be happy end. Been tough so this is about me exactly. Have you met jess yes. She's awesome love them together. Yes very pretty. You know you know where she went school on this track there. I believe that. Have you seen her legs? No she's ripped brand I listened. This quarantine sucks but I will say this. I have been able to keep my mind occupied because of best fiends. Have you play this game yet? I haven't but I've told him for it Reinhardt. Plays it and freaking loves it. He's such a little Gamer. Yeah it's so much fun and I tell you what the game has changed recently and it's become more challenging much more fun to play but it was so much fun to play beforehand. But now I've had to change the way that like I'm thinking about playing the game. My strategy and puzzle solving has completely changed. It's one of those games that I play. I don't feel like I'm completely just like rotting my brain. You know yeah totally. I've actually been meaning to download it because like you said sitting in front of the TV and watching the same show like you get bored and you WANNA switch it up so I feel like moving from the TV to the phone would be really good for me. Best beans has thousands of levels already with new levels events and characters added every single month. It's hours of fun right at your fingertips and you can even play offline. Which makes it so much more. Awesome that you can play on a plane or when you're similar without Internet you can still play this game on your phone with over a hundred million downloads. In tons of five star reviews best scenes they must play so download. Best beans free on the apple APP store or Google play. That's friends without the are so best faints. Best Fiends F. I. E. N. D. S. All right so brandy. Since we've been quarantined we've been actually organizing the house. Yeah same we found a lot of stuff that is really good. Like new cool gadgets and stuff that like weed through into a closet and you don't have been doing what's that I've been selling that shit. So smart knows Mabel to make money but Allah make somebody my somehow. I'm sell that stuff online and you know what's helped me out. Let that ship stay. Amazing I actually have heard of ship station. I think I'm going to start using it to sell some clothes. Now that I've cleaned out my closet and ship station is so great because now that we can't leave the house you know. We want to do everything online so worship station you can sell online. You can get a lot of orders out really fast which can be tough. The fastest easiest most affordable way to manage and ship order. So you get the best prices as well which is always really important. Shipping can be expensive no matter what you're selling Amazon at sea or your own website ship station brings all your orders into one simple interface. Making it really easy to manage from any device even your cell phone. So here's the deal right now. All you guys can get ship station for free for sixty days when you use the Code Y. F. T. and make sure your business is ready to meet demands of delivery. Culture get started at ship station. Dot Com today does click on the microphone at the top of the homepage type in Y. F. T. that ship station dot com and then enter offer code Y. F. T. to get this deal ship station DOT com. Make ship happen okay. Let's call Sophia Bush. And just trying to like. I'm going to play a cool cool bro. Mcqueen of playing it cool k the only person I've lost my shit over. Is Jimmy Fallon cool? Go for ten seconds and I felt like a dummy but do remember that time that Sarah one on Jimmy Fallon and Fallon expresses love for me. Yes I do. Where You freaking did you pee your pants. No I got like a half job. I'll be honest you. He's my okay. Let's call I'm a genius. I wasn't that part hurtful. So how are you doing? This is a weird time in the world. Are you doing good? Yeah you know I kind of them alternating between you know feeling super grateful that I'm able to be home. I was about to start a show in Canada and then had to come back with my cast and you know get home and I've got some friends who weren't able to do that who weren't able to travel and I'm really trying to focus on staff that I feel grateful for right now. And also this all situations just sue brings -iety producing knowing that our government lied to us for a time and that we refuse us from the World Health Organization and people are sicker than they needed to be. Because of that that that's a hard pill to swallow. I'm kind of vacillating between feeling really grateful for my immediate surroundings and feeling really worried you know for the world given what's going on cotton and I really sent myself over the 'cause I watched the net flicks explained episode about pandemics and I was like they have been talking about this for years. Yeah that's a whole other place but it is really. I think a good learning thirty minutes. If you haven't to spare I know after hearing you like be upset just five. Soviet government kind of like lying and like downplaying lot of this. I think going forward. We have full transparency with government. I didn't know everything that's happening with aliens. I need to know about wormholes. I know everything. It's just time to lay the cars on the table guys with Alien Conference in that Shit up one. Oh Yeah and you know what? Maybe there's an alien race that has dealt with this. That can help us out. You know we're not even utilizing all of the options guys. That would be cool. I would much prefer you know another life in the universe to help us in this pandemic and not like vaporize us with a laser. Yeah always amazed. How stupid are show is? I know we're so happy. We're so happy to have you on the show. We're big fans of yours. I don't know if people told you like the idea of the show is so if they have in August like the Quick Synopsis. Okay the show is called your favorite thing and we just talk about our favorite things because just a lot of negativity and bad stuff on the Internet. We thought we would do a positive show now more than ever. We need this show. Because inevitably our favorite things are always like things binging on net flicks or like music were loving or instagram fall is that we think are Larry S and now more than ever people need things to binge movies to watch music to listen to so we need to know what some of your favorite things are right now. Okay well I mentioned one already. I'm obsessed with explained. I think who list Iran nerd. I love to learn. And they're being you know different topic in every episode where they really dive into something and teach you to send think is really fascinating. Other favorite things to watch would have to be abstract. Oh my God. So abstract is essentially like chefs table but for designers. Have you seen Tiger King? Oh yeah finished it yesterday. Just real quick. Do you think that Carol Killed Her husband? I mean I don't understand I don't understand how there's any other outcome that makes sense. Yeah millionaires just. Don't leave the country and leave their money. Well and also leave no trace like he would be on a plane. He'd be using his American Express card. He you know he'd be doing things if he left her and went to another country to your point disappearing. Never spending another dollar of his money. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I've been seeing a lot of actors. Throw their name into the hat for when this inevitably comes A. I saw a press release yesterday. Kate McKinnon is gonNA player and the really who do you. WanNa see play Joe Exotic. Ooh I saw Dak shepherd through his name in the hat which I thought was a good one. That's interesting but but David Spade doesn't get it after his work in Joe Dirt. I get that. Have you seen the team that's going around? That has a photo of Steve Carell. Certain ace next to the photo of Joe Exotic and it like it worked. Yeah I really be here for it tall. Who Do you WANNA play? I feel like you could play Travis now but I'm not. That travis is really really tall traffic six six. I think he's really looks tall because next to Sarah. Everyone looks tall no point also. I have the Kramer hair so it gives me two extra inches. I mean my favourite character is got to be the Strip club owner. Who's overweight for whatever reasons like I'm done with it and takes office Mike then all of a sudden he's on a jet ski like I don't know what happened. I don't know who cut this thing together for him. I was like what is going. Okay you guys are making me WanNa Watch you. GotTa Watch it okay. Just when you think there can't possibly be another twist or another. Turn it sneaks up on you punches you in the back of the head. Do you have anything else that you've been getting movies that you're into a last night. I just went and watched an eighties. Classic with a Young Mick Dreamy called Hammy Love Love Twin Bill Alba omitting at all so. I love that movie. What is his name in it? He's Ronald Ronald. Oh and that one leather frilled jacket and then I would either way. I'm a big FAN OF I. Wear a Bolo tie pretty regularly these days. Yeah so I was like how do I go back in time and read? Dempsey's wardrobe from this movie. That was such a good flicked brandy. I know you WANNA do like fanny questions right now. Okay well this'll be a twist for everybody on the skype call right now because I was sleuthing your instagram gripe before we called you. You're in an isolation pod with one of my favorite music. Artis Heaven Vice Kevin Garrett. Gosh introduce you to someone you're smoking needs to Kevin Garrett I Kevin this is wells and that's brandy I don't know why my there it's Xiali very biggest fans and wanted to talk about our isolation pod and huge fan. I literally talking. Sofia's instagram and saw that she's in an isolation pod with you and I freaked out because I love your music. My Buddy Sam Hunt turned me onto your music about three years ago. Then a big fan ever since go thank you look at that. Guy's full circle. How do you to know each other? Well we know each other one of my best friends Vanessa. Who used to live with me is how do you remember through music? Stuff music style. Yeah because visa manager She manages another awesome. Artists called verite and five years ago. Kevin was playing at fallow hall in Chicago. And Vanessa texted US and said I love you both. You have to hang out and so I went to the show and we've been hanging out ever since now you're in isolation together. I've been here for five years. This is my house down. Great for me giving away guitars. Grennell everything will. Thanks for making appearances here on Waikiki. Beach you I'm. I'm playing your song coloring right now on the show as well so sue us for playing over twenty five of it buddy. Love him but I also am GonNa Finger over you as well. Well thanks and I know like if you're anything like my sister the last thing you want to talk about is one tree hill. Miley hates talking about Hannah. Montana miley hates talking about one tree hill to like. You did deal so long ago here so sick of talking about you know what happens. It's Funny Hillary. Now we're talking about this recently the first couple of years after it ended I was like starbuck and talking to you about that show just all of us were like we get it okay and and now it's been it's been done for long enough and you know we all still have a life together that now it feels really nostalgic and fun and now. I'm obviously it's not all I wanNA talk about but I also think it's would be very hard to deny like Brooke Davis was j. So Gosh I. I love that she was my person. I like that I got to make her into the person she became. I fought really hard for her when people when people say to me. Oh my God i Davis is number one phantom H I am but you can spot number two you know I. I lead sweat and tears into that person and fought for San and yet. We're we're distanced enough from now that it's it's a cool. It feels cool to all of us to talk about now. Yeah I love that. I think my sister to is just within the past year. I feel like she's finally come around to like making jokes about Hannah Montana and being okay bringing it up and posting throwback photos like. She never used to do that before and now she does so. I think I think that once enough time goes by. It is realty. You just need a minute you know for for fans of anything and I get it. You know it's the way I feel about sex in the city. It's it's iconic to me but I didn't have to make it I didn't have to. I just got the one hour you now or in that in the case of that show the thirty minutes of content that was done and perfect. I didn't have to live through the years and years behind the scenes which is what I had to do with my show and your sister had to do with her show and and often the behind the scenes stuff while full of joy at times is also really hard. And there's a lot of you know less pleasant steph associated as well so I think once you have enough space for that you can kind of just hold onto the good like right after you go through a break-up you know why you broke up with your ex boyfriend because he was probably not the right person or in worst case scenario a terrible person but years later you can go. These are the things I appreciated about that person or are you still close with now from the cast. Hillary joy and I had a group facetime. What four days ago because we're losing our minds in quarantine and that was really fun I Li I saw D Neilan Jensen recently her husband. Who's so sweet I still talk to Bryan Greenberg a bunch. I talked to James. He Killing it he's like out there being a director. And you know having Stephen created a show called. Everyone is doing great. It's really really great. One of my favorite things about one tree hill was the music on the show like it was a great way to discover new artist. And I don't remember the soundtracks just being incredible. Who are some of your favorite artists? And what's some music that you're loving what I've been listening to lately a lot of like Brittany Howard Leon Bridges and Blake Mills and tear wack Anderson Pack. I'm just like deep in the playlists at home zone. I Love J. Cole. I Love Astor as I'm just. I'm literally looking through my spotify right now. Looking at what I've been listening to. I obviously listened to a ton of Kevin Garrett. He turned me off artist. Who's amazing? Oh my God is record is so good and obviously Maggie. Rogers choose one of my Martin. Nineteen when the on this rap stuff first came out. I love the lone bellow and Teagan and Sara and King Princess and then maybe my favorite song outright now by milk M. I. L. C. K. She just released the song called if I ruled the world thinking before this mess started. And it's really just about if this one woman could be in charge all the things she'd want to change and feels really especially poignant right now. That's really cool. I would get on this amazing complain. A little more right now would be. You know the talks. Glad you're having personal. What about stuff? You're working on right now. What's going on what's coming out that we can be expecting from you. I just talked to my my dear friend Alana Glazer the other day. We did this movie together. That is so scary and so creepy called false positive that she's finishing editing right now so I'm excited for that to come out and then like I said I was. Just start this this show. I'm doing this really amazing. Medical drama called good. Sam that is one of my favorite scripts that I have read in years. Now we're on holds For Orange in in social and physical distancing responsibility so currently. I'm reading how to books about surgery. Which is honestly my jam. I wanted to be heart surgeon when I was a kid. You really have to study in no like the Lingo and the language shop doctors. I've I've been in open heart surgeries over the last couple of weeks getting ready for this and then obviously. I can't do that anymore. Because no non-essential persons can be in hospitals right now which obviously is exactly how it should be. But it's pretty wild. I realized I I feel like I'm GonNa Faint when I watched someone get a blood draw but I can literally stand over a patient. Who has intimated who has their chest. Crack Dope ends talk to the doctors while they're bone sawing doing off yet like watching them remove arteries and everything it it doesn't faze me at all the first surgery that I was in on. It's also very cool because you know people approve you to be there. And their families approved to be in there and The first I who's surgery I watched top to finish. I got to go meet his family on rounds in the ICU. After it was over and then the next day they sent me a photo of him when he woke up and I just started sobbing. I was like I know I know him. In such an incredible way so intimate. It's so powerful. It's it's one of the most incredible mergers of science in Miracle. That I've ever asked in my life and I honestly am so amped to go work on. This will hopefully get to go back soon. Dulles about work in progress podcast is just my favorite thing right as a long time activist and person who works in a lot of political spaces and social system. Arenas I kind of had this moment where I realized I have access to conversations with so many people that so much of the world doesn't have access to and what an incredible way to spend my privilege. What better way really than to take those conversations out into a public space where we can really deep dive on how these things work whether we're talking about political systems whether we're talking about racial justice whether we're talking about what it really means to be a creator you know interviewed Gloria Steinem about her entire kind of journey to being this leader that she is and then I interviewed with e Cummings who everyone assumes. Having the best time all day long we talked about therapy in codependency and then sex robots and it was like so weird and fun and and I just think it's such an amazing way to really dive into these deeper conversations with people and and I get some back that people feel seen and they feel less alone and they feel like they're learning something in a way that's inspiring not like I roll inducing. Those are just the greatest pieces of feedback for me. Who's been your favorite guests so far on the show. Oh my God that that's impossible so many people have been so amazing. My conversation with Chelsea handler was so frigging great. I got to interview my favorite professor from College. Christopher Smith WHO's one of my heroes. That was insane interviewing gory. Sign was obviously mental. I was like what's happening. Everyone always says don't meet your heroes but I've gotten to meet quite a few of mine through this process and they've all been so amazing. I'm such a fan of this writer. Liz Feldman she worked on two broke girls and worked for Ellen forever and she created that show on Netflix. Dead to me which by the way though. Yeah you haven't seen it on my guy. You're well. Liz came in for an interview because I genuinely just such a fan. I wanted to talk to her about her process. And we bonded so hard we got to the end of it. She was like what just happened. Like what Rudy did you just pull like you Barbara Walters? What was that and we were just dying. And we've stayed really good friends and we have dinner and I see her in her wife pretty regularly and they're just the coolest that's thing that you know is an example of this interview. Show that I wanted to do having this really cool ripple effect in my life meeting or right. Well we want to be respectful of your time. Let you get back to your Corentin with Kevin Carrot. And everybody else but thank you so much for being on our show. Thank you guys. Good luck stay sane. Could you blend move? And if he can or thank you so much being on the show have an a an awesome night and be safe out there. Okay thank you so much guys to everybody. Stay home by. I love her. She's so great. Do you WanNa do music or do you want to save it for next week music? Yeah poincare Dude I have so many. Okay shoot really going to okay. Do you know who Dave Cobb is? Now he is really well known producer in Nashville. He produces like all like Jason is bull stuff. He produces a golf like Chris Stapleton stuff. A lot of people. And he has a brother named Brent COBB and I believe he's probably producing his brother stuff as well and his brother has a new song out called the world is ending. And it's the most like Apropos Song. Ever for right now so. I thought I'd give it a little spin perk. They soon finish their pretending begging about women when my head in the new GPS pin three good Lord in an APP that the Tam thing huge stars out my window. Down the barrel Brent Cobb. The world is ending which it deputy is ending. Did you know that Willie Nelson has a son? That is a phenomenal musician. Oh well dame's Lukas Nelson my brother. Love's Lukas Nelson so much and he's got a new song that Sarah is it too but sales like obsessed with it so it's called my own wave on news feeds. Saw what you remember us new Straw last album all right. So that's Louis Nelson and the promise of the real the two in my own wave. Do you have any suggestions? I think we should play a little bit of young Nikki. I do like this song. Because it's this. This came up on my release radar which is interesting because it normally kind of. I don't know it's a lot like sad bastard. Actually Young Ki- is sad bastard music. Let's be fair. Oh one hundred percent also does video as we haven't seen the video shower out. Here's got so high son. Jesus so Jeez Joe's lost his job to she lost some of goal. You can see the groner burners holding down as a really interesting songwriting comparing I guess all these biblical characters to robots into a and stuff. That really cool. I'm always so amazed. Haluk wise beyond her year she is the girl is twenty you know. And she wrote down his nineteen like crazy the way. I don't even know by the way her the picture on this record she. She looks good coach. Great I mean the ads pop azer pop in and I don't know how she got those because she doesn't out must be nice. I have one more I really. I played him Henry Jameson. Before and this is a new uncoded Lantis. It says demo might not be available. I don't know like I love Henry. Jameson some symbol survive so under why training to sink we could save now. Mauldin. Nothing to know You know the first thing bad at all don't trail in senior see every seen as Henry Davidson Landis. That's a really good song dude. I did WANNA do an appreciation. Oh one of my favorite song. Writers has the Krona now. Yeah John Pine has got the krona and he is old so like he's endanger anyways so we got to have good vibes prayers. All that stuff's going to John Bryan right now. When I was a young girl how well I had me a cowboy to look just the free ramp and man but that was a long time and no matter how dry the years just blow by black broke down. Joel ask from Montgomery and you might be thinking out their old unit writings the from a gum. yeah he did. He wrote a lot of amazing songs still does and he's got the wrong dude and we need. We cannot lose John Bryan so everyone say a prayer please for him all right. What do you do tonight? Ozark man I'm GonNa Finish it fucking going through it and then tomorrow is dedicated to sorry. We're stoned we're doing it. Sorry we're stoned or recording tomorrow. And I just want to give a shout out to everybody that responded to my instagram story yesterday because I hit I hit while I posted on grass. It hit me up. Dm me asked me some questions. Give us some You know conversation starters. What what do you guys when you hear about people wrote in some really great things and I was actually overwhelmed now. Investors which is great. I screen shot. All of the tons of great ones Very Mama to discuss tomorrow so very exciting. Also I feel like there's some confusion like some people are like. Oh we're like working. I listened to this. I tried to find it and I couldn't. It's not out yet. We're going to record basically like a whole season upfront. So that we don't get in a position that wells in Iran where we didn't put episodes for weeks on end. We want to make sure we can deliver episode. Do you guys weekly. So once we get recorded we We'll have more information on where to listen to it in one very smart exciting things. All right well stay safe. Wash your hands also like get some lotion to put on. After because all the hand washing is making person dry. Craxi I gotta say. The COLLOIDAL oatmeal lotion is really doing. So it sounds like a disease. It's not integrate. Stop Brits like it's like Man. What's wrong like dude I had? I've had diarrhea for seventeen days. It's because of the COLLOIDAL OATMEAL. I've got meal throwing up constantly at both ends because of the Cloyd OATMEAL. We're losing that man. It's so funny because the world is ending. That's why you know all right brand. Die Amiss Ya I love yesterday say an. I wonder if we'll ever see each other again person. I don't know I hope so. Do Love Y'all love. Yeah Ownersh still pretending.

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Bobby And Eddie Challenge Seaforth + Eddies Major Problem With Carrying Your Love with Me + Elder vs. Millennial Returns!

The Bobby Bones Show

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Bobby And Eddie Challenge Seaforth + Eddies Major Problem With Carrying Your Love with Me + Elder vs. Millennial Returns!

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One is bare bones that i wrote about my life and the struggles and the beauty of the struggles of what i learned and what we can all learn. It's very personal. The second one is kind of my. It's very personal stories too. But it's my idea of how to have success and what you'd like to have success in without having a crazy amount of talent or being given anything that one's called fail until you don't now first-rate entertainment purposes. I think the answer is bare bones. But there's one small section in there. That's only a few pages where i share really humiliating story. That happened to me. When i first started to experience the flesh of a woman and sell and i would just get that and cut that part out other than that it should be. It should be. Yeah it'd be great. Probably the weird thing to. I wrote like the word a couple of times. I don't have a cursed in. I don't think i've said if single curse word and three or four years. You're probably curson than though a little bit. But i didn't. I didn't write back. But i would see it and be like that feels weird now but still i would say probably barebones and cut out that one couple of pages. Amy your thoughts i agree. So that's it. If viewed be bobby can we can probably track down the page numbers. And then that way you can just that way. You don't even make it a thing with him. Just take him out. He like well. What what the heck happened to like pages. You'd be like no. You're thirty six. Oh no sun. God we're just blame it on. Bobby's at that. I think is probably the best for an eleven year old and then after he reads that maybe once he's twelve or thirteen starts looking at what he wants to do with his life Fail until you don't would be a good follow-up which reminds me eddie. I think it's time for you to read. That book finally didn't matthew mcconaughey as you're right. You're right because i've only read barebones. So i'm down to read it. I have a copy here. i'll give it to you. We sign it for me. No gave away last. Count all read it. I like to read i. I feel when. I read a little bit more smarter now. A little bit more smarter as you can see. It's really work guys. I've only read in my life now. Shaming you at all. I'm just saying for you to go. I feel a little bit more smarter. Dramatically correct sometimes. You can have the physical copy and audio copy. I'm doing that with my daughter right now. Because she's trying to get more smart more smarter and so sometimes it's good for her to hear it and read it right now. We're listening to malala. The girl that stood for education and was shot by. That's a very specific book title. And i thought gosh this is some content for seventh grade. But i mean it's a true story you need to start to be exposed to that stuff right. You wanna get kids attention fast. Tell him that somebody got shot man. If i say that in my house. Everyone's like what what happened. Who was it like john lennon. They love john lennon of the beatles. Why because he got shot he also died when he got wrecked. What if you're like fifty cent and you got shot levin dimes. And you didn't. I i think when you say fifty cent got shot they'll stop and then you tell them okay malala. They're like they love a story of someone got shot. Because it's so i can't believe it. Let me mention this. Talk to chuck. There's new episodes chuck chuck wicks. He is very curious about what his wife's breast milk's tastes like breast. Milk tastes likes. Tries it on the show. You can hear that. Anti talks about how he wants. Open country music icon and what that was like. Talk to chuck with chuck wicks out today right. Is your new four things out today. It is and it's it's just me. I don't any gas. I don't try breast milk but some ways to get rest like a little survey of argue rested. I talk about how to do a vision board. Because i'd never done one before the materials you need and kind of the step like how to make it a fun night whether it's just you or with friends and like some new year stuff. I think i'll i'll say two things right thing number one caitlyn last night the night before she like. Hey i'm going to guess. I'm going to offer things is okay was asked me do whatever you want. Are you kidding. I told you gotta house bobby. That's why she asked. She said hey. I want to. I think she's like i have. I don't even think she yes. She just told me and waited for response. Okay well she told me. I did not ask her. She said she had some things she'd like to say. And she thinks podcasts would be the place to do it and then is a all mean. Okay i'm having on. But you gotta bobby you might want. I know that we'll just a issues. Her own person and she gets bullied so bad on the internet on. Instagram is so bad. The mean hateful. Things people say protective of her to die wishing it's crazy. It's making fun of everything about her body. That's it is relentless. I've never seen anything like it. Like i get a lot of hate but it's because i have chosen to put myself in the spotlight and go. Hey do you like this. The not oh you don't okay. That's me. i did that. She is really just existed. That's it and she gets it so bad what happens or online and she's been a champ. She's been tougher at times. But i was like. I think that's probably wants talk about a little bit is not hands mental health stuff and just i said great. I'll i'll wait to hear it. Because yes the more she would she if she's okay with putting yourself out there that's great but the more i just wanted her to make sure she talked to you about it not necessarily for your like permission. I know person measured me. I know stronger all that for me. I wanted her to run it by you first before i'm like hey when you're like hey you got a new four things today in like. Yeah actually it's caitlyn. Other than four things with amy brown four. We leave and i don't want you commenting. Okay amy because i don't want to say no no. Actually i don't know what now i can't even re- i can't that's my point. Yeah i did something without no. I had no idea that. I did something i was asked to do. Something and i was like okay and they were like hey. We think it'd be good for you to do this. And i said no problem had to move it a couple times because my schedule moving around a little bit and then finally they said okay. What about this time assure. let's do it. Pull him laptop. Do it like give it to me details here. Well then caitlyn goes. Amy has a big problem now. Stock what say like this. Maybe she said doesn't like that. Wait can i can freely speak. Now get no no the way it came up to me. Well first of all. I think you were approached about this months ago and you decided you're going to do it because why not. Why wouldn't you right. Make sense i she. Somehow it's randomly came up random. And and then she said oh and then she told me the story you went to her. And said hey. I just did this. Or i'm going to do this. And she was like. Oh no you should know you had me. I know. I didn't know there's no beef. But i didn't know what are you. It's not a but she. I didn't know that she felt the same way. Because we've never your different dirty mag happens some similar reasons but then we also have this other mutual friend and i kind of casually ride. It knows hilarious because hers was the exact same thing i did something i had no problem with right and you should and i didn't know there was a beef the end just so you know i'm very sorry about that. I didn't know it's fine. I don't i felt like kaelin. Felt the same way way before she ever and talk to me so she tried to tell you know. She didn't know a reason though she had her personal reasons. But i really feel like that affects me true and so my personal reason when in fact you except for this other little thing that i know that you would be like. Oh heck no. I didn't know any of that. The disappointed that this very sorry. I humbly ask for your graciousness. Tom granted find out. What i think just creates so much drama. That's right now. What we want will never ever ever discussed this. Maybe maybe a couple of years. No this is not. Don't don't house paint story me with this is we're not talking about it ever doing eyebrows. It eddie i wanna know. Sammy's first real beef. No it's not some the end. I want wanna know so bad man eyebrows. No okay okay. October twenty twenty two amy's gone with calendar trailer and i didn't know i didn't know it. I'm not disappointed that's by tomorrow. Show blake shelton damaging. Monday show jayco. And tuesday. Jayco and marianne morris. Goodbye friends happy new year from teams. Yup that's friends without the are. 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That's a friends without the best means. Go check it out for translating cry. Alaska what's happening guys more studio morning. I here's the voice mail we got last night. Hey bobby just need some advice A truck driver. I'm on the road. Monday through saturday with a couple of overnights thrown in there so almost never home but my roommates have been working from home and because of that i feel like i should pay a very small portion of the utility bill gates. I'm never home. So i never have to really use anything. That takes our out on the road and you know never use any electricity. But they're using all that stuff all day so just curious what you think. Thanks bye bad news. But i don't think you can pay different unless you've had that agreed to beforehand and unless you can somehow quantify exactly what you're using and how that translates into bill because unless there's a role you all join to be roommates. You're splitting the bill. The end now foods a different thing because you can actually buy it and see it and how much you bought but as far as bills go. I'm sorry to say you can't. This is also a slippery slope because what if your home from wanting to raise it back up based on you just have to pay. A third of the utilities are three of you. It may eventually bands south out because there are times your home more than others. But while i do think you shouldn't get your hopes up about it because i think i agree with bobby. It could be something you present to them and see what they say they might be like. You know what we can prorate the electric bill. But that's it and great if they do that the right word. I don't know but don't expect that to be allow. I wouldn't wouldn't be an acceptable thing to do. But his roommates might be on board. You never know it's worth asking but don't get offended if they say no and if they don't just keep your lights on the whole time you're gonna run the whole time. Yeah right caitlyn from saint louis earnings video eddie as new thing. He's doing this there for new all the time just wondering what the deal was with that of guys. Big fan thirteen car. Thank you. I don't know is trying to get something like like ray. He's trying to be right. Yeah that's what. I thought ryan to be real. Yeah let me hear you. I don't know what she's talking about why you know. Yeah that's it. It's a ever. That guy was. Yeah but i hate being in having a. I know he didn't but but but callers call in and they do you and it's funny and it's q. And i think he's like well. I need to create like a signature sound so that. I think i'm smart enough to go. Ray does get a lot of traction. With so i'm going to come up my own. I know i did nothing to do with ray. Okay the maybe. I didn't notice i just do it randomly. What's in your heart thank you. I think it's like when we win or something. I'm like woo. i don't know okay. Cool dang hater. Oh now not a hater. She brought it up it like no. If if i was a hater i would've brought it up myself. Oh i got a couple. I want to share a wedding. Guest divides opinion by claiming couples. Who have already set up home together. Should not expect wedding gifts if they have a lot of nice stuff. Okay an american woman. What are you saying what. I but i think we don't need anything right but i don't eliminated the story. This is not about me by the way a woman who was given a wedding registry filled with expensive gifts suggestions has sparked a debate about giving presents to financially stable newlyweds. The they said the american woman explain. She's been invited to the wedding of a friend who she hasn't spoken to in fifteen years at each item on the registry is over a couple of hundred bucks. She said the couple already has a hopeful. Nice things and shouldn't expect gifts because people travelling to attend their ceremonies enough of a president but it does bring up the question. Should you put up a registry. If you can afford this stuff on the registry. I still say yes. yes yes. They don't have to buy anything all doing this. Based on tradition. So yes just do it. If you don't want to get her something which by the way who invites somebody. They haven't talked to in fifteen years. I wonder if we if i am so. You haven't talked to. Maybe you haven't seen them in a while but you talked to them more than what assume she just said she hadn't. Yeah no no. I'm talking about with our wedding list. I would assume if it is. It's got to be like a youth director from church. Something like that many. That really influenced you. But i would think i have but i think this woman's wrong about being upset about this if she wants to put a registry. No one is saying you can't get it into the wedding without registry. You don't have to get her anything. She won't notice really if you don't get anything now. Is it tacky. we always do as attack. Of course if jason aldean's put up a wedding registry asking for a bunch of of towels target we would go. That's kinda weird out of here. One hundred million dollars but we would still get them for them because who cares if that's what he puts up there at twenty one. I would not buy him towel. I would okay. i'd love. You just wouldn't get him anything but you're right so like so. He's not supposed to get birthday presents. Either right that's crazy. And that's you're right. The point of getting married get gifts right. Grooms sister criticizes the bride for wearing address. It doesn't hide her scar. That's it's so bizarre bizarre. He's going to check in with me about my wedding in a second. Talk about though the wedding timeline but frustrated groom-to-be says he was horrified when his sister criticizes fiance for planning to wear a dress. That would show a scar on her collarbone now. It appears the groom's family is taking the sister side after she was uninvited from the wedding. There's just a lot of things happening here. First of all. Why would you criticize what someone wants to wear it wedding it just showing a scar. Yeah it's like a boob. Probably not not exactly there. You don't have to be ashamed of your scars. Runs from my sternum down pelvic bone that either. Wear crop top with your tux. We would tell you to do that. But i wouldn't be ashamed of the scar. Wouldn't be the scar that made you guys say no. That's a ridiculous thing to wear right. Hers is on her collarbone and a lot of dresses would show that that's something. That's her scar her story. Secondly nothing should've uninvite the sister for saying this either. Because it's like all right. You're being childish. I childless to meet in. This is lot of going wrong here. don't shame people for their scars or what they want to wear. It happens to show a scar. And then don't don't disembodied sister. That's also bad news. So there you go a lotta stuff there to start the show. What do you have over there. I have from the not dot com. Which is the wedding website. A list of things to see if you and caitlyn are on track with your wedding wedding planning. These are big items that you should have crossed off your list. Already headed to lay it a couple of months tonight. You have some time. 'cause we don't want to be in that weird area of can we all get vaccinated in time so we're still getting married this summer but go ahead so have you picked a venue. Yes photographer videographer cater. Now you're gonna think that. Maybe she has that. I don't know i just one is on your list. Dj oh have you ever call kramer yet. I sent him a couple of facebook messages. And then i told him we moved it. We've talked about it on the air. Like i know but i'm gonna go. Yes on that band well raise trying to get his buddy tyrod. Be the the ban so no hours inefficient. Oh yeah we got that. Oh nice save the dates doing those. You're not you're not seeing how to save the date invitation on it. that's fine. Yeah okay so. Have you ordered ramifications. We don't have everybody's address yet. I heard from a bird that this is. Have we talked about this. How you want feel free Risky so i think this is funny. It's the difference between guys and girls. It's not really a youth thing. Bobby universally guy thing so obviously when you address an invitation to a couple you want to say mr and mrs amy ben browner would ever right but but bobby some people he works with. He knows the mr or but he doesn't know the wife's name so he's like just do it to mr so-and-so plus one and it's somebody's life of twenty years or more and it's like just no big deal instead of finding out. Well it southward question if you like. Hey know you pretty well. But what the heck's your wife's name again. I know i mean for a quick google. Search my on some people that works young guys. They have a better notoriety. If not you know. I guess you've got like ask around. Listen i go to the instagram's any pictures of their tad dot com. And then sometimes. I'll go to that that the wife and they have like a nickname up and just whole thing bones careful with stock in them. You might get the wrong girl glance. You try to find the watson instagram. it's something else someone else. They tagged trouble worried. About what else chosen. The bridesmaids and groomsmen yes finalized the guest list. Yeah yeah push dead. Does that change things. No we plan to have the same amount of people we pushed it so he could have the same amount of people because we were. We weren't going to be able to register for gifts. I don't think we're going to do that at all. Well i told you. I feel guilty because i feel like i'm taking something from her right. Yeah i don't know. Should i show it doesn't i. That's true and caitlyn. I think sweet. You're saying hey make a donation in our lieu of gifts like i think that's route to go but yeah there is something about that part of the experience. But y'all are you're in the. I think it's different for you because you're the guy also you're older and you're of like we can just you know we can buy things and people don't need to spend money on us. You're weird people buying anything right. They'll remember guests are love language. We haven't set that up yet to say that okay. So let's see plan your honeymoon. No no but it will be this summer. Do you have an idea where you wanna go. She just wants to go to a beach. so so alabama. I don't know when or where we travel to more things booked a rehearsal dinner. Yeah yes okay. We have picked the theme. There's an oh my goodness. I don't know what she because some of the stuff she's still Still precious to her to just keep for us until afterwards or i'm gonna write down with the theme. Is i wonder if i can recall her but we be won't say anything. No i wanna call it. Because if i can say okay let me call right here and you get permission to call on my cell phone getting permission from his girl. Yeah duh like this smart man city answers. Hey can i. Because we're talking about what i can't talk about the wedding. Can i mentioned the rehearsal. Dinner what the theme is. I can't mention the theme because we don't know yet okay. He apparently bobby knows okay. Well bobby just see this theme. That's on the table. Apparently i don't know that the yet so About to show us. She thinks we can't do the theme. I think why don't wait. Everything is poss- my question is why is there. Need to be a themed older. Praise the lord not say yet but if it is wraps figure out somewhere else to do it because we can't bring in sales and stuff when you say is already saying the theme. That is all that tells us is. Maybe you're thinking we're all gonna be horses. We'd hey that might be better. Can i tell. And i tell them the possible theme people in the room or can you tell the radio the radio okay. Thank you love your show us. Show us. He's writing down. What i don't even get why i if your answer is why. I need better than if i as you say. Why not the most fun bones. I to look so stupid. But she says we can't have hey bells in the house or is the. Maybe i'll look okay so Houses ridiculous all barnes. This is so dumb or wherever fine head. Lastly have you book wedding night accommodations. We haven't okay. what's i'll meet. Oh i don't know hurt you in your mind. Are we ready for the wedding in my mind. Yes y'all are doing well. I feel like you've checked a lot of these things off. So thank you eight plus good for you. Expect nothing less passing grade. I walk me through your night last night. Eddie all right so we all know this song. We've heard hundreds of times carrying your love with me by george strait. Here's a clip virginia. So you got annoyed listening to this song and again dude. I've listened to this so many times but last night. I heard it now. It's like this is dumb. Oh this song may be the dumbest thing ever because of one line. Wow and the songwriter and me is just like okay. This guy. i'm breaking down your challe. This song songwriter in us challenging carrying with me. Absolutely my this smash hit right who everyone loves. And i'm thinking okay. Let me get myself in the character of this guy. He's a traveler right but everywhere he goes. He carries his love his the whoever his wife is lover. He carries that with him everywhere he goes so he gives an example west virginia down to tennessee. Virginia see a great. Okay cool Google that guys. That is only eight and a half hours away from each other. That's nothing why not. If you're proving to her that you can carry your love everywhere you go. How about alaska down to tennessee. He guys like google. That sixty seven hour still doesn't sound as good as west virginia. Okay fine california. Dan to see california would be like across northern california down to tennessee. I knew that what brought this up. You're going to agree with me. I think he's probably just another example of the places he goes where he carries love traveling for work and so he's he lives in west virginia s. Go to tennessee lot. And so that's what he was saying. You could bangkok down at tennessee. Are you going international. Sco across the whole world guys to prove to her that anywhere i go it can be the world. I carry your love with me west. Virginia great dude. I can walk to virginia. Is that a challenge. How the mountains during the way. This just really does not bother me. One bit a what you say. It doesn't bother me. I mean i understand. You could've saying california. Anything from california on tennessee oregon tennessee anything. He picks a neighboring state again. They probably were just picking state rethink that. There's probably too late though after they caught it. It's probably released and everything. But i the drives me nuts. Dude there you go. That's that is what annoyed eddi last night. Oh that's a lot. I mean that's just like a lot to pick out and break down and then let it actually bother you. What were you listening to last night. I heart nineties playlist throwback as a good one I love it. i love it. We listen to all the time. My kids even have iheart kids. They listen to it. They don't even know this long. Like chattahoochee dead. I'm like talking to me about john. T they have iheart kid. Yes our kids country. I heard kids. And then you can pick the john ryan. It says it kids singing chattahoochee sensor it to. There's nothing bad at it okay. What music do you push onto your kids from you. The most recently. I've been pushing. John mayer and they want nothing to do with it really and i don't understand the car. Put him out. Yeah it's been because i've been on repeat lately and there's no interests like it sounds so old i mean it. It is an album from two thousand one but continuum room prefers good so good. Yeah is the first one the first major label on them. What do you do with your kids. Well right now. Like i said. We're nineties country for sure chattahoochee. They just learned about neon moon boots putin boogie. They love it but do back in the day. I mean i started with bob dylan hated it. Elvis get out of your dad. We hate it beatles too old. I think they're like united country though not just kids so the closest thing i can do is talking about relationship where kaelin knows every night. He's country like massive nineties. Country fan came that way though not not because of me but her growing up in oklahoma. But what. I try to push on her nineties alternative and so i was playing style until pilots and she was like what is this and i was like stunt pilots. She was like sound like somebody's uncle singing. What she was like. This is not good. Did you consider like calling everything on guys. I've broken up with two girlfriends when like they said. I didn't like they didn't like pearl. Jim i was like i can't do it i can't do it. She's okay on john. Mayer like john maher. I love john mayer. She loves all the guard. I don't worry about the country stuff. The gar the she's in one hundred percent probably knows more words than ideas. She doesn't like this no she. Didn't she never heard it. I'm going to do a game with her to go. I'm going to hold up a picture a name and have its nineties band or something. I mean that's funny nineties rock band because she would know. How do you not like onto a pilot line where you go tomorrow. He like you. Don't you like it. But i i'm not gonna like listen to it so many issues like singing another one. I did interstate love song. I was like qatar. Sold my mouth. Maybe it's just pilots. Give her some of the better than ezra she thinks about that. Bobby bones elitist hollywood number. Two thirty seconds giddy and morris and j p sachs released. Their collaboration called line by line cousin. I'll be right. Only garth brooks chosen as one of the artists to receive twenty twenty one kennedy center honors the ceremony. Airs june six on. Cbs youngest turning forty years old on march twenty third and he wants to be in the best shape of his life as he approaches the big birthday. So he's inviting fans to do the fbi. Y forty eight. Ten fitness challenge with him and celebrity trainer dawn salad dino morgan number two. That's your skinny. It's time for the good news. Phillip ingram is a janitor california hospital and he came up with an idea when he was walking and cleaning. He'd find pennies on the ground and he was like man. If million people would donate a penny. We could give a lot to charity so he started powerful pennies and he asked everybody. Hey have spare change in the week. Leave it in this bucket and we'll donate to the boys and girls club first week. Fourteen hundred dollars in loose chain donated to the bucket and so now they have a program on your paycheck with all the employees. You can leave fifty cents or up to five dollars off your paycheck and it all goes to the boys and girls club and that's all because penny man over at the hospital. Lunchbox also collects change A picks up pennies everywhere. He's he's a total for all of two thousand twenty man. It was only like fourteen dollars nine cents. What do you mean only fourteen dollars. You didn't have no no. It was in a depressing because the year before two thousand nineteen was thirty. Eight dollars. So i had a big drop. You gotta understand cova dear. I wasn't going very many places. There was a coin shortage in america. But it looks. It pays to look on the ground. If you're walking around you look and you're gonna find money last night. I walked the dog. I've out eleven cents bo payday and also to like back in the day. People just left left pennies oh. Nfl mobile. i found a quarter of the day. I'm like who is this. According to leaves it there exactly unbelievable who i thought. I'd never find a corner and you find quarters all the time like. I don't need a quarter you crazy crazy. It's a great story lunchbox. that's what that's all about. That was telling me something good known show. This story comes from albuquerque. New mexico a man with through the drive through at mcdonalds order so many pulled out his own. My orders wrong pulled back around said. Hey you gave me the wrong order. Then he pulled out of. God said you need to fix it. They called police. Police arrived he took off high speed chase helicopter involved all because he got two hamburgers instead of two cheeseburgers and when the helicopter following. You know you're done you're a it's like a gun versus a knife or do you even think that the helicopters for you absolutely susie here for you right. Oh you mean for a while. you just think it's a random like all right okay. Great somebody got hurt a car accident. Oh no that's getting closer and who pulls a gun over a bad order at mcdonald's that's where it was right in you go to jail for that obviously all right. I'm lunch box. That's your boneheads story. Day around the been across the pond off the beaten path. There's a lot of ways to say you're going places but only one. Suv helps you get there as a family. The newly redesigned hyundai santa fe. The suv made for getting out there and doing more together so take the scenic route because the santa fe's equipped with available h. Track all wheel drive to help you get off the paved road a little together and it has a suite of intuitive safety features for taking it around the bend with more peace of mind plus. You'll stay comfortable wherever you're headed with santa. Fe's available premium nappa leather seating generous room for five and sophisticated interior. Styling get out there. Find new adventures together in the new hyundai. Santa fe learn more about santa fe by going to hyundai usa dot com again hyundai usa dot com. Eddie the oldest on our show age. Forty one morgan number two the youngest on our show age twenty seven in a game called elder versus millennial. So eddie gets the young question. Morgan gets the old questions. Let's see who calls it out. Zero two zero up i. He's a data four known as the hispanic who don't panic. He's a real riot currently on the dice. Bow dallas buyers club diet. It is produce. Ready okay are you ready. I'm ready your questions. The millennials would know you may not number one. Lucas got brooke davis and peyton sawyer are characters from what. Cw show charmed. I was gonna read it again. But you jumped out there. And i don't know twenty times. That is incorrect morgan. Lucas scott brooke davis and peyton sawyer or characters from what cw show. It'd be one help. Correct morgan with the steel this. It's an audio clip. Is the theme song to a tv. Show that premiered. Twenty years ago on the disney channel. What's the name of this show. Glenn only do the the secret life of zack. And cody well. That is incorrect. Morgan you can still this. Disney show was this. I can picture it. I'm not sure. I can steal. Although i think it's maguire. The answer is lizzie. Mcguire way he's got to ed hailey bieber familiar with her. Yes of course. She's the daughter of what baldwin brother crap there's alec not the daughter of alec. Here's michael michael baldwin jasser. No stephen baldwin. Not now stephen but was a crazy one not his not his daughter with michael baldwin alec baldwin. Now it's michael. What is your answer. Michael baldwin is there a michael baldwin. He's one of the month. He's one of the baldwin brothers william baldwin idea. There's no michael baldwin. Really there's no michael. Bolton michael william morgan. Would you like to steal hailey bieber. Whose daughter i don't you just feel like eight names in my head Baldwin i thought there is like an alec and alexander william and maybe that's too many william baldwin. There is a william baldwin. But that's not. Oh it's not. It's not alec baldwin. Stephen and it's not daniel baldwin. It is stephen baldwin. Know that he's a crazy man. He's always in trouble still live. Okay there you go Morgan got to write. She stole to in that round. All right let's switch it over his opponent. She runs our digital coming in at five feet tall. Exactly she's blonde and she's smart. America's millennial sweetheart. It's morgan number to come adam. West is primarily known for the tv. Show where he played. What superhero what adam. West european cow is known for his tv role. What tv show plan. What superhero superman batman. Superman superman is incorrect. Eddie adam west played who thank you. That's batman that is correct sixty or a long time ago he also is all over family guy now. he's a family guy. Yeah okay eddie one. Hey morgan says be very very quiet. I'm hunting rabbits cartoon. I think be very very quiet. Hunting rabbits is not like a like the speedster guy Road runner roadrunner road runner interesting. It is not the only thing roadrunner says. Maybe that's that's pretty much. It eddie who says be very very quiet. I'm hunting rabbit. You mean he says it like the value e. quiet. That's elmer fudd. Elmer fudd be quiet. I'm hunting. Can i just say this. Eddie's getting questions from like the fifties to him but you doing good. Thank you to all comes down to did this. Henry winkler played a character. Arthur fonzie rally on what. Tv show you probably know that it's probably in black and white wasn't taking shots. Cler played arthur bonds ereli bonds. Ereli soundbites talion weirs. Everybody loves raymond. cheers cheers cheers. That is incorrect. You can still have the victory here if you know henry. Winkler who played. Arthur fonzie ereli. What tv show bones. That would be happy days. Correct also known as the phones again before he was your takeaway today. Twenty twenty one is already better than last year. I will take this win. Let's go our producer eddie. Our video for ready with the big win. What is your position on gender reveals. I'm with them. Integrate me to unless they involve fire the idea which is void jenner reveals and evolve fire. We've seen too many like explosions or fires catch and other than that good yes. I don't know that. I'll do one by like to watch them eating one. Maybe amy i honestly. I've said this before. I know. I'll love having a girl if i have a girl but it's just gonna take me a minute to go like you're not gonna be able to fake it. I'm just scared that's all it is outer. I'm just scared that i won't be able to know what to do. So a dad did not want his wife to do a huge gender reveal for their second because she did a big one for their first she made a gender reveal short film and it costs a bunch of money and he was like she wants to do it again. I don't wanna do another short films like so she was. I'm gonna take some time and do this next project for a gender reveal and instead of talking to her about it. He just went on facebook boy. Posted a brave just jumped in front of the bus. Do you think about that. I mean i guess he's the one that's gonna have to deal with his wife if she was unhappy about that what she found out the number two boy she started writing a script much and instead of letting her run away with it he just re wrote on facebook and a post haven boy and that was the reveal. I don't know that that's the most mature way to handle it. Because i mean that's probably caused friction I would assume in my house it would have. What is the main friction. Not a bad. But what's the main annoying thing that you do in your household that you know you should get better at but it's constantly being brought up because i'll go first me on my phone all the time. Oh we're we're the middle. Sometimes i want phone a phone. And i know i'm not good at getting off iphone. And she's right but i know that that's countries like hey can you get off your phone. That's constantly a thing. Are you working on it around you. are you. put your phone down. I do the other day. We were doing something that i leave my phone on the couch going out i got it. I didn't get off. Got permission to get your phone. No i love it. But but i know i know i'm too too much. It's that's that's a meeting eddie. I don't know how to fix this. But when i get home i take my clothes off and i usually take it. I take everything off right by my bedside and it stays there. And i just for some reason i just it stays there and then sometimes it piles up for two days and that's her stance to be like picking this up stain your underwear shorts. I go straight from my close to just shorts. No shirt amy mine would be that. I underestimate how long it takes me to get ready for things. Oh so that's the n- drive me insane. Yeah you that's pretty good. I mean well by it. I'm not trying to be late. I just don't always time it correctly. I have been working on it though. I will say the other day. I had Well two different events. I was very proud of myself recently. Virtual but i got ready an hour and a half before i needed to and then i proceeded to do other things in that time but i felt good about just being ready. He's called feeling like an adult being responsible for you thank you. Let's talk to you. I would say the kitchen table. My wife cleans it off and she wants to have dinner there. And then i come home and i throw my wallet my keys. I get the mail. I throw it on the kitchen table so the kitchen table to me is like a storage closet. Whatever you can fit on you put it on the kitchen table. And she gets so annoyed and every everyday. Can you not things on the table. But i do it every day. That's funny lunchbox. Had another i wanted to get to. What was the one about the balloon so this little girl. She sent a balloon to santa hoping it was going to reach the north pole and it had like her. Christmas wish is in it and someone and went six hundred fifty miles and someone found it like it never made his north pole deflated. You call it Runs out to and so someone found it and they're gonna give presents so they got him on the lease book. Try them down. So i said man if people are really going to do this. Why don't i send up a bullish on my your kid. Well that's the. That's where i'm torn. Do i act like a kid. Do i say i'm an adult and these are my wishes. Will you please reach out to me. What matters what wishes they are. I mean i was asking him for beer. You can't be like i'm tammy i'm twelve. I want bud light. I was gonna say ask for a boat now. Okay if it gets in the right hands. Yeah exactly what. It lands a boat dealership right. Mike what are the odds that it just lands right there. Bass pro shop. In the bed about touring. Like whoa allergy crazy. I'm saying so. You want to send up a balloon laker. Yeah make a list of the so okay. Do this make a list of the five things you'd want to put on this and okay see. I don't i note and we'll put it in a balloon and we'll let it go. I need opinion on how big i should go. Well i think probably the biggest thing you should okay. So does atlanta rega- dealers. Thank home surprise his girlfriend with a land. Whatever you want okay and then are we gonna type this. Because i don't think they'll be hand read my handwriting righted out okay. Why don't you type on computer your laptops right in front of you. That's a good idea. Okay and we'll put it in a balloon today and we'll float it off. Okay and so do i say how do i tell them to reach me. Put your cell phone number there. Yes oh man. That's all we don't want to depend on facebook like the story. Yeah they may never find your facebook. Do i need to put a twenty dollar bill in there so someone will see it and open it up or also just like Just with balloons. A great method. It's up to you. We'll check back in with you later. Har- we want to hear what's on your list and then we'll release the balloon. I'll get with that. Yep awesome vote. Oh we're going to be so jealous. I'm sending my best tracker drives up and like three years amy's pile of stories so this netflix's plans to release a new movie every single week in twenty twenty one and the films feature legit people. Dwayne johnson melissa mccarthy halle berry the list goes on amy adams ryan reynolds blah blah blah. Where to get paid to do a movie now is netflix. And without the box office pressure of going all right. How do we do our people. Because they don't really so's numbers really. So i get it. I would net flicks movie. That's cool the outside sorry. Excuse me outside the wire as the first one up and it's coming out friday the fifteenth. What's the best netflix movie. Because again there haven't been a lot we go. that's fantastic. The one that i can remember is the sandra bullock gwen. Worst elber box. Oh that was really good. I forgot gotta be it and that was a netflix original. Yeah because the Moody my aniston. One wasn't that funny. The murder mystery one murder. Mike you like. This is your your specialty. Yeah what do you think is the best netflix movie. Easily bird box. That's the one that came out and everybody talked about. Everybody wants it. And it was their most watched the comedies. They make any of them wonderfully funny. They're funny in their own right. I think you would enjoy them for what they are hilarious. Like adam sandler ones are enjoyable. But it's nothing great. What about what would be number two and number three on your movies on netflix. I would go with movie called extraction with chris. Hemsworth came out last year. It'd probably be number two and then number three. I mean i do kind of like the last Adam sandler movie huby. Halloween party box. You see that one. No i saw. I thought i was gonna say that adam sandler one he's not even needed but david spades in it the wrong. The wrong missy is hilarious. Does really funny or say cuties and we don't talk about cuties unless people are gonna protest the show because lunchboxes watching cuties and we were like okay this this to go and nobody cares anymore. What else am i finally. Watch hillbilly allergy. Which is a netflix original. Based on you read the book. I know but that's a good one that i thought was really well done with amy adams. So if you are a girl scout cookie lover but you're kinda don't want little girls come into your door bring in corona virus to your house girl scouts. They've teamed up with grubhub to expand their sales channels. So now you can go to your app order girl scout cookies and they'll arrive at your door. January twenty second through march twenty first. Is there twenty twenty one cookie program. You're at makes it weird noise. Baru think that from lunchbox. Carrie underwood admitted that. She's afraid of something. That a lot of us think is pretty harmless and super cute. She was on the drew barrymore show and admitted that she has a fear of turtles. It's not a lake petrifying. Fear group the country. I would catch them. And i love animals so much that i feel like i would always try to pet them hug them and that led to them taking opportunities. I've been bitten by lots of turtles. It does not feel good well if you grew up in the country like i did. Snapping turtles are no joke. No no no serious. What did they do. I've never been crap. Go yeah and they just hold on. The tip of their nose is like other teeth or whatever it is. It's like a yeah snap turtles and no joke. But again there's turtles immune too much much like humans are so. Is there an animal that you guys just absolutely have no love for. Yes oh really. Oh my god. I love shop. Every single one of them we can do with snakes. Actually do something good for them is in rodents. But still i get about pest control for. That is scorpion. An no okay. I don't like those okay fair. Just possums are so cute and harmless raccoons. Possums reckons cute trash. Lot but possums means that they do that. I'm hanging file. That was amy's pile of stores. It's time for the good news. This woman kelly thorne and she had both her kidneys removed because of a kidney disease that she had so her husband out. Aaron stood outside a street corner in hamilton. Ohio wearing a sign that read need kidney for my wife to help find a donor. We'll obviously people saw him do that. But then it started to spread on social media and the news. Their story went viral. Hundreds of people reached out to be tested to see if they were a match and eventually a woman in pittsburgh was and after dozen tests and all the things. They're scheduled for the surgery. This february good for him. Good for that donor. Great for her. I was driving into town a couple days ago. And there's a billboard magazine looking for a kidney. Mike have you seen it really. It's like we need a positive blood. Yeah they put up a billboard raise. Can't ever remember my blood type them. Either and i know it's weird. Why why is. I can't remember literally gave blood like two days ago and also did an antibody tests for blood with blood and still didn't remember to ask uh-huh i know i don't know i don't know about type either. Are there you go. But that's a great story. 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It's that simple. Visit core seltzer. Dot com to find core. Seltzer near you. That's core seltzer. Dot com every pixel two eight thirty one twenty twenty one causal purchases from change of course restore five hundred gallons of fresh river water details at dot com celebrate responsibly. Course brewing company fort worth texas guys from the new duo see for are coming in. We're gonna play them and if we win. They don't get their hat and glasses anymore. Because we have the same look eddie and is banned the raging idiots with the same look. That's right if they win they get to perform on the show. So we'll be doing egg challenges basketball challenges all that coming up here in the next fifteen minutes but let's put ninety seconds on the clock. Usually we do the morning corny. Now we're gonna do the investigative corny. We have to figure the joke out. Hit raimondo. Rupp morning corny to pickles fell on the floor the other. I won't tell anyone if you don't dill deal is right. What's the deal. Oh that's a good one lunchbox. What's the deal. Yeah it's got it's gotta be like fallen with deal. I mean we all were on the deal tip. But but what is the joke. Though dill pickles wanted fluent in one or the other. Why are we down. What's what's the bill with. It's got to be deal. Got on three of us right to deal. It's it's cute. How you say because dill you say deal. Go off the. What's the deal nickel. We're all doing seinfeld impressions. What's the deal. What's the deal to pickles. Fellow for one. Say to the other. Well dill dill deal with it. Deal within will. We'll deal or no deal while deal with it deal with it deal or no deal. No buildings to work in question fell on the floor once say did the other. What do you guys want to go with. We've set a lot of stuff. What's the deal with that. I don't know. I really don't options are what's the deal deal. I had to deal with it or dealer no deal. Is there anything else that it could be other than the real time. Then you got to do one of those pick you guys can pick which one you pick it. What's the deal if we're picking i'm gonna take mine. Yes figures i'm picking deal with it deal with it wrong morning corny to pickles. Stalin floor wanted one say to the other. What other dill. What's the deal now. Affiliate no wouldn't have a good job. You ready clear is pool hearts Go got boys parents in here. They have kids in school. Amy should kids do year round school to catch up after the pandemic. Because they're behind. I don't know a year round school. Looks like i mean. Oh does that mean you get breaks every once in a while. Virginia governor ralph northern floated. The idea last week quote should kids start going to school year round to help them catch up after the pandemic. Here's what he had to say. One of the things that we certainly are are entertaining is looking at a perhaps a year round schooling for the next year perhaps adding increased days this summer to really help. Our kids get called up. He didn't go into detail about how likely it is. He said in the coming weeks they'll be providing more details but it was just kind of float the idea out there you to have parents in school right or a kid who's go right now. We think two reasons. I like this one is yes like there has been such gaps in education. That weren't expected and of course the virtual thing already if you have like for a lot of it we virtual now. We're kind of back in school. But some days we go virtual and the learning is not the same so therefore you already behind so it could help catch people up secondly a lot of parents are working from home and this could help parents too because come summertime if some people are still weird with their jobs there at home than they've got their kids at home again every day not occupied by anything and that can be difficult. So i'm i'm not opposed to this as long as there's some proper break for a family to take a week vacation if they need to hear and there something eddie. Oh there's a one reason and one reason. Only that i love it. It's because they're at school all day. All your parents don't say this but really the truth is we need that break. I'm so thankful for teachers. I love teachers because they put up with them for what seven six seven hours a day. I love this idea. I would vote this man for president. Teachers need a break too. But they're getting paid while they're doing it okay So you both say yes. Yes yes kids though. They're like no. They would not on board. The kids are going to do what they have to do. And kids don't like school anyway. I mean my daughter is really good at school and she does all her homework. She does everything she's supposed to but she'll tell me straight up. Mom i hate school. And i'm like why she's like i'm a kid. I'm supposed to hate school. And so i don't know if she picked that up on some tv show but she has in her head. She's a kid. She's not supposed to like school so they're not gonna like it no matter what but it doesn't mean they won't do it well if they do at the state does i. I like it too. I don't have kids to jump in. I like it so we can catch our kids up for. It's not forever. A forever thing but Virginia does that. You're gonna see other states ago. Oh that's interesting cool. They've developed a plan to pull this off because there has to be something to make up for this weird like ten years down the line. We're gonna notice thousand thousand twenty twenty kit. You didn't learn anything that we can tell something Right now see. Fourth is in the marathon green room. Now if you haven't heard of them well i've never heard them play. I've only met him once but they do a country. Music duo from australia. And they have a look like eddie. And i when we perform our duo the raging idiots. They have songs such as close enough. Talk about black and they have one. That's out today. A new one called breakup. They're going to be in. We have a slam the on the head challenge. If they lose they have to retire their glasses and hat. I love it. They have to lose their look that way we can get our look back and if they win they get to perform on the shared the dumbest segment ever. We're also going to do a little miniature basketball game the dumbest segment ever but possibly eli performance coming up next with seaports on the bobby bones. Show now see for life. These two guys are here. So you guys again good. We're actually gambling in glasses if they lose and if they win they get to perform on the show and not only that they told you but if you win you also will be are featured artists on our national countdown. Show that's great. That's only if you win. They introduce yourselves. I'm tom mitchell so tom. Where's the hat like. Eddie wears and we have a band called the raging idiots mitchell. Where's the glasses like i do. And you guys. We've obviously been your inspiration for years and we're we're putting it on the line today. We're tired of them ripping us off all of their way more talented than us. Other their everything more than they look just like us like. Oh which is not cool. We were getting away with into move. So are we gonna do. I is going to go up. There are twelve eggs. Eleven of them. A hard boiled one of them. Is this a raw egg with. That's gonna go all over us. We'll grab an egg smashed against her head. Hopefully it's hard boiled all right but the person that gets a yo. The full normal egg loses. That's the loser ready ready. Just walk up to the table. Well you play a clip ac- forth for audience please and us what song you're gonna play here. This is close enough. But they're playing close enough right now and i can fill america vibe and hard right now okay. So we're now standing at a table. Egg number twelve has brown trick to save and all the other ones are white. They're all numbered. So you guys can pick. Would you like us to go first or would love to see you guys got okay. I'll go first usa. I'm gonna pick number three. That's brow brave gently so you're just going to take your glasses owners. Go boil survive on. I'll get glosses glosses mitchell. Go ahead feeling terrible on nine here. Took another round past glasses across the room all over his head. all right. that's funny steve. Everybody good. we've now over the basketball court that we have set up in the studio. This is a fisher price. Little tykes goal amy. How tall goal is about three feet. Okay so it's a three figo. We have these little small rubber balls in each team. Gets seven shots okay. So see fourth will go first. You'll shoot your seven. We'll see if we can beat it you. You can pick who shoots and how you shoot doesn't matter any any order. Seven shots here. We go shot number one now. Number one is amiss. Sharon mitchell europe should be thrown the eggs. Number two is a mess. Air mall enclosed all right all right tom. Russia's on shot number three. let's he's not like maybe yes what. Well no. I'm just making their own. One for four thrive in their hit the rim though that times now one for four c. Four at the shooting the fifth ball. Now have seven. Oh that was like in and out no one for five and given them ball while you make chased here we go the shy. You do do underarm one for six. This is not going and who now. I'm to shoot. All of ours. Aren't they went through for seventy is three three to win all right here. We go eddie shooting early. Could we go shoots nothing but net. One i'm shocked right now. Big shot and he go is close. Just roman schools and disturbed shot up. Hey do steph curry. She didn't turn your back to the two three one more for the win. Oh rancid related to the now than four fifth or a hat and glasses for a year. They have to look now. Are those glasses. We have a fire pit. We can know where. I'm going to keep them on my desk so the listeners can always see them. So are those prescription glasses. Yeah but you have glasses though. That are aren't dark around. I'm assuming this is. This is the see fourth studio struggle of awake. The you didn't have your best performance that image on and it was terrible. I didn't hit a basket. This terrible yahoo. You can put your glasses right up here on the on the desk. They are here at Way way are we keeping the glass and the hat can have the happy to hear this lame. See the desk. See the test all right. He's taking his hat off. Nice we have on both eddie. Yeah how do i look. It looks the same pretty good. Well boys it's been fun thanks. Don't let the door hit you on the way out there. We go we will. I'm being told here. We have a little time. So we're still going to let you play coming up in the next segment and improper being the nice guy. I'm gonna let you wear your hat and glasses for your final performance. Well right here on stage. They can do it happy. We're gonna hear see fourth. Perform live on the show. Their last this is like the rolling stones final tour. This is if you don't get to see them before they all die. You don't remember the last time. Never wear glasses all right. We'll come right back with c. Four third studio on the bobby bones show now they lost the game but you know what if i'm anything i'm giving her. They brought their guitars in case. We're still going to let them play. Yeah they're now sitting up on the stage. What a what a c. For me so see four. Actually the suburb that we grew up in sydney australia. So we know each other with threes. All we went to see fourth kindergarten as well so we thought we'd take a little piece of home with us. When did you start doing music together in australia. Six seven years ago. What's the australian country music scene like. It's good like it's like there's a lot of it man it's very. There's a lot of amazing artists and stuff. It's just not as kind of broad as it is. Here you know and nashville and everything became a very real dream. Pretty quickly for us and so just figured one. Did you guys have a moderate amount of success australia as a country act or did you go. We're just gonna go take it all on and not at all. We kinda had thought sit on the us and nashville from the beginning so we started making trips out quite early when we started the project And kind of had our sorts set to come out here where where the home country music is. Yeah see fourth is in studio and by the way that you you eligible for guy surgery. Since you can't wear your glasses. I was thinking about it tomato. Do you guys play golf. Do try yes everything. That's good ball. Gaw why i just. I know you guys have been trying to play a little bailey. Yeah yeah yeah golf. And then on the on the actual course. It's it's pretty embarrassing. See fourth is here. They're gonna play by the way. What are you gonna play before We're gonna pass breakup which is out today. Yeah actually tonight is actually enough. What a weird coincidence that okay. So i'll be guys you can listen to them. I've actually never heard the pie before. So if they suck. I'm sorry i just here. You can follow him. We are see fourth and here. They are playing their new song called breakup. Thank you guys here. The only one in the world. I wanna talk to. I know the only one pick me Phone and night like this. And i know you be the first thing on my mind in the morning Sober trunk. you're the one at gis miss sit. I wouldn't cow except we wouldn't talk all always ends but again that bob phone not alone. Don't think you could say cusack to and just wanted to my friend said i wouldn't cow separate wouldn't al-qaeda how that want to do is he. You voice pretend dozen heard like drinks wine and talk about the past and now goten steps back breaker stone. Work like that online at these guys. Thank you thanks man. Oh holy crap d- I feel bad taking their hand. Glasses still there. Look we got. Take it back. Well here's here's here's the deal. Oh make oh okay because you guys are exceptionally talented. Thanks expected to be signed to a big label but was better than i was expanded premiere. That's really like probably the first or second time. We really probably the song as well so again here. That's the only performance ever. That's by the way these guys are c. Four th you know what's interesting about you too. Is that you both a lead in the song. Yeah yeah mostly. That's not the case. Right with duos or trios right do you. How do you decide who fought basketball table. Concert egg egg smashing or golf. I'm impressed this things. This is adele make with okay. First of all we're going to need. Maybe not that those glasses if you love him so much. We're going to need a pair of glasses and a hat to keep up here as our victory. You can keep those. I've got you but but secondly you have to agree on the spot. Now that at some point maybe ended this year. Once we can do shows again maybe next year you have to come and open up for eddie and i absolutely you have to make a point. You guys obviously raging idiots is amazing. We in australia yourself. We actually started a project called the sweet boys that is literally like paradise as well. He stopped so it's funny that they look different. Look you guys you guys cover anything you guys. Don't any covers show i. I'm inclined to ask for another song. Let's do it. What can you give us. The cover will do chasing you. We've been messing around with his morgan wallin song a bit lately. He's a up and coming country. Really just kidding. He's the best man here. They are chasing you from morgan wallin. This is c. Fourth used to chase that chattanooga free a couple of kids chevrolet catch a little own across the tracks sip something from a paper sack hanging shirt on the maple them. Slipping through the moon to the river. Ban wasn't very long. I was jumping in jumping. I guess still doing now what i was doing. Jason ooh lack is shot skew. Burning down burning down chasing you anywhere out of this know where she's in their freedom. She's in their fee and some q our view he hit and that whole lawn still jason. Still she's still she's still. They are seat for their on and they're so good a good now. It's a a bit anymore. I don't want to take their glass. We're so sorry we do. So we're ending it like this. Okay you will deliver us a hat dale and on that hat you alright. We stole your looks. I love i love the liver us a pair of glasses and somehow that will say the same and then at some point in two thousand twenty one hundred twenty two will bring out on the road with this and you'll open up for us guys. We feel good about that. A great deal. They are fourth followed them. We are see fourth on instagram twitter. The new song breakup is out today. Great to meet you guys thank. You weren't great music so don't worry it's time for the good news producer. Ed this is so down. There's a football fantasy league in georgia right and if you come in last place in this league you have to go to waffle house. Spend twenty four hours and being there for the penalty right but for every waffle you eat. You can take an hour off. So this guy named michael carter sleep michael carsley he loses gets last place all right ahead to waffle house and he decide he decides stream it live and people are watching on facebook live or whatever and he starts eating he ends up eating eighteen waffles and the bill our nine bucks so all his friends on facebook were like. Hey we'll pay for that bill. Don't worry that was grace nono. Instead of paying for the bill. This poor waitress has been dealing with me for what six hours. Let's donate money for her tip so they donated over a thousand dollars for a tip and gave it to her. That story is so good in so many ways. Right one hilaria hilarious too. That's what a great way to turn it around and give back. Yeah eight eighteen welfare. Do you often see a picture of him. I don't know if you have no idea. That's opposite of your diet. Yes it is the exact opposite. Wow okay that's what it's all about. That was telling me something good. You're gonna love hellofresh right now. 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Did you get last night. I got one here one there to there. I mean nothing nothing. I didn't win the million. I wasn't even in our state that the million was one california texas. You both got a million dollar winner. Oh you even know that. There's a couple of other states can't remember. There was five states. They got a million dollar winner. No one wanted the jackpot. So saturday's drawing six hundred and forty million dollars less. So are you playing both of them again. In a winter they happen again tomorrow night. The mega millions will be friday night and then the powerball will be saturday. So yeah i'll pay now. I think i'll go up to one hundred and fifty dollars for each one. Wow and i'll win the mega millions on friday powerball and saturday. You won't see me monday. What does your wife think about you. Spending all this money on all of these lotteries. She probably doesn't care because it's my money so doesn't have joint account so she can't say anything. She just gets annoyed. That i leave the losing tickets laying around the house. She's like. Is this a winner or loser loser wanting to throw it away but she has no say so she doesn't say anything and she'll like it when i'm sitting on that big stack of cash and i you know break off a little easier. I'll buy you some dinner a little less so wait you win. How actually what. What do you give your wife of the winnings. I don't i don't know how that would work. There's probably something legally where she would get something but she would go into my account. Because i spent my money on it and if i had an argument with a lawyer i'd be like we have separate accounts i paid for it out of my account so maybe but yeah i'd break off peace. That's not how it would work by the way you can talk to a lawyer about your account. Whatever but if you make it while you're together and she was taking care of your kids while you're driving to get she would get half of it. Okay so you told me. I need to take the kids with me when you take money. She has no say. And i had to kiss. Here's a picture of her. When i was getting the tickets. Your honor again. No winners of powerball. Mega millions both drawings pushing it about seven hundred million hallmark. Shouldn't how awesome is that. It's just crazy. This is the greatest ever back-back days. You have a chance to win. Seven hundred million dollars. That just doesn't happen. That's not real life you're right. I'm glad you said it really. I'm glad you said it. Okay let's do some more news. Bobby's story who on the show watches or has watched yellowstone. Demi anybody else those three missing. It is a fantastic show. What is paramount but as you can watch on amazon. Tv on peacock crime. Look at your window. Apparently it's on you guys are so easy it down. That one is everywhere but yellowstone's a really good show. I was also has like. I don't know if i'm gonna watch a western but it's so much more than that but now you can rent. That ranch owned by john. Dutton played by kevin costner and sleeps over thirty people and it will cost you thirty thousand dollars a night. Okay i saw this. And i i before i saw the price tag. I thought we're going there. We're taking a trip like it's going to be so fine. We can gather some girlfriends. Bobby can come to but anybody. That's a fan but then thirty thousand dollars a night. What in the world. It's one hundred and sixty acres spread in the rocky mountains quote. It's just beautiful three lakes and a river running through it my whole family's spent some of their best times there. But you're gonna need a bunch of rich friends or one rich friend and a bunch of takers or a friend. That wins the lottery oud lunchbox and then goes here. We're gonna have a big party up here. Oh i will have a party there. And i'll send you pictures caretakers onsite. It's leaps twenty-seven easily a baseball field a sledding hill. There are three hot tubs ultimate. Private is this on and on and on you know for just over a thousand dollars a person you can stay there one night up to thirty. And it's i. I believe it's in colorado. What's not in what's gonna so you're gonna need a bunch of friends but the stunning aspen. Colorado ranch sleeps around. thirty people. Hollywood deceives located in a serene seclusion yet only minutes from downtown aspen. The one hundred and sixty acre ranch available for rent. Is this a poser ranch. Sometimes they use different houses in the ones that are actually shooting in times like all the time. But now it's like killing my dream of going to montana wyoming wherever one more story here a british manned finally passes his driving test after failing one hundred fifty seven. Oh no no no. No no no no no. It's like spongebob. Spongebob squarepants can never has a driving test. What does he have to drive in a pineapple boat. Yeah it's like the ocean. Yeah okay. it's a cartoon. Just been a minute. I know that spongebob is good. When i used to babysit the kids would watch it. And i as i was eighteen but i liked it. I just haven't watched it. Since i still like on. Forty th yeah. It's still funny as crowns. There's no law with this old man. Where like our hi. Sorry but we can't afford to put you on the room. How old is the person unnamed. Wannabe driver has reportedly managed to pass the driving knowledge. Test after failing to answer enough questions correctly a whopping one hundred and fifty seven times. So no i guess you go until you get it. That's the second. Most number of failures belongs to him in her thirties. Who has taken the one hundred seventeen times in a still yet to pass it. It's crazy why don't you spend that time that you keep driving to this place in on just studying. Es comprehension thing. They have different ways. Like when i took my cdl they have. You can push the buttons and go. Hey do you wanna hear it. Hey do you want to. There's different ways to study it. They have all the guys are on youtube. You know i'm not aiming no this is not a comprehension thing. Okay know people. Just don't i'm not letting. I'm not letting awoke amy this story. Okay trying to think of like a. There's to be a deeper reason why this is happening. There you go. Whoa me and the news. Thank you very much. Bobby's story you guys know who rebel. Wilson is actress and she was in the sing movie perfect perfect bridesmaids bridesmaids is a really funny. She's australia but she revealed that she was kidnapped at gunpoint while on vacation in africa. Leave my house to this. Kind of stuff happens. Okay carry on win what happened. She said the petrifying night occurred in rural. Masimba gave yeah. I'm sure that's right as a summer there and left her and her a group of friends fearing for their lives quote. We're on this cattle truck. These men came on another truck with a lot of guns. She said they were like yeah. You gotta get off your truck. So she said that they obeyed the orders. They were taken to a house in the middle of nowhere. Oh she said. Despite being really scared she remained pretty calm. Says she was able to be very good and crisis. She was a team leader. Then this is what happened. They sat us down. Everybody link arms because i was petrified in the night that they might wanna take one of the girls. The kidnappers released the group in the morning and they then made a getaway to the south african border. They were never given explanation as to why they were taking. She said she believed was because of smuggling quote. I think maybe those guys maybe used to smuggle illegal things in the bottom of the truck but imagine that but you know it doesn't sound like a vacation to me right in the back of a truck in africa wide. Open some people. Yeah no this is what i do. I'm talking about me. Well i know. But like in haiti. You didn't write on a tap tap. In haiti i close my eyes and gritting my teeth and rode back of a cab dear god. They don't have traffic lights there. Swerving all over the road and their chickens running across the road and that was a really vacation. You wanted to wanted to go see amy's kiss. That was not a real. I can't believe associate that with the vacation. Now i'm saying well you were in another country and they have. That's how you get around in these. They call him a tap tap. It's open truck with like a bench and there's you know open air and they're painted really bright and ryden now. I i got a car. Didn't even then i was scared to death. Not but that's crazy. I can't believe if she has all that money that she wouldn't have security with her. Yeah like had hired some kind of local security with big guns. Because i somebody with me honestly i hit up friends. Amy who knew people in the military who were like. Hey i got somebody here. And then i started to go like side. They part of the inside tricking you. Since your trip is kept secret from me. I know who you're with now and you're very safe. Yeah so you say but nutty story. There was a story we talked about this morning where the finds a balloon. What the little girls. Christmas list like. What does this opens it up. Sins her the gifts she was trying to get it all the way up santa claus. It didn't make it all the way up there because the balloon fell earlier. And but this stranger finds it latisha. Flora's gonzales and boom there. You go and god all the gifts. So hey can i do this. And so he has the list with him. Now you're going to put this in a balloon next week. What is on the list that you're gonna ask for. What does the letter say. The letter says it's just like hey whoever finds my balloon if you could make my christmas wishes come true. These are the things. I'm hoping for christmas. Yes i'm thirty nine. But i really like these under the tree. Why are you talking like a young kid right now. he's in character. I'm trying to. I'm trying to read it like they're gonna be like so sympathetic. What does this kid want. So of course thirty nine though. Yeah well. I feel like. I shouldn't lie to them. Well not all. Omission is lying. You just don't give your age. Hi i. I didn't get box. Yeah i in the past. I've been known to get very little christmas gift to complain about every year correct. Yes my christmas wish. Come true if you could help me even just get one of these gifts. Okay that works. Are you ready rating your issue. Number one guys. You know what it is. What's number one album. Let's go get lambeau. He wants a lamborghini. Okay go ahead number two. I'm out there on the water. Do me a ball note. I want a boat. I wanna boat any kind of oh. I told them odor abode on tune. Let's start with a boat. They give me if they give me one. I don't like i can upgrade. I can trade it in. We'll figure it out but a boat number three scratch off lottery tickets. Listen they can. That's easy they can just go into a gas station and by ten of them and send my way at such an easy gift. That sounds like nothing lamborghini. Scratch off tickets. They're having to pick one they're going to do. I'll tell you what they're not going to buy you go ahead and then i also have visa gift cards any amount of money they can just go into the grocery store there right there at the checkout gimme hundred two hundred three hundred four hundred five hundred dollars you know because on the thing it says five to five hundred dollars on visa just wipe one of those and send it over all right and and then also some new underwear because yeah i have really old underwear. I still have like simpson's boxers in polian. Dynamite have holes all in them. And so i feel like they could you know maybe stop by the store and get some new underwear. Heck i feel like i can get last three. Yeah that's not right now. Would it made bigger asks. What else do i need. If i get a lamb bone of boat. What else do you need. Well lunchbox you really want your own island right about that all the time. Good luck with that. Give me an island amy. See that's the thing you got to be realistic. But they can't airline miles man. Something ho any airlines jet. Do not all jet just by time on a private jet scratch at number six and seven time on a place. We're going to float this off next week on the show. There you go here is andrea. Who's on the phone. Who has a question about lunchbox as she hears them. Talk andrea. what do you want to ask about rox. Hey guys Thank you for having me on the show I've been listening to you guys for four years. We just don't feel like lunchbox. Deals attacks But there's a couple of things that have really bugged me That he's talked about like with the money the lottery thing and him not sharing with his friends and they That you guys wouldn't want That you guys will be trying to take from him. And i really started getting bothered by When the whole confrontation with. Amy and your husband lunchbox when you guys are trying to buy the same house. And he said he was going to beat him up and i'm just curious if like if it is. How lunchbox is if it's a facade an act. 'cause you're around so many awesome people that brightened my day. Sometimes it's you're welcome freely. Orange fox box. She wants to know if you saying you wouldn't share with anyone if you won the lottery if you threaten amy's husband by beating them up if all that's real playing character no i don't. I don't even remember threatening amy's husband to beat them up. I said if you wanna showdown. We could've showdown that means he would wanna fight to. So why are we putting it all on me. That means we would both have to wanna fight so yet to blame amy's husband. It takes two people to tango for you. Know what i'm saying and i would not share with them when i win the lottery. That's one hundred percent true. Amy amy and i saw this on twitter. Someone tweeted me. And it's a great point. Amy wants everybody's lottery winnings but she doesn't want to play the lottery like her daughter wanted to play the lottery and amy's like i'm gonna take her winnings so amy is all about grabbing your money but she ain't giving you her money and she's not trying to win so these people if they're not gonna play the lottery. Why would i give them my money. That is just crazy. Do you just go and give your friends part of your paycheck. 'cause they're your friends. No i mean there he is. I don't think she's basically saying. I should give you guys money out of my paycheck. Because you're my friends. I don't think you should. I think it's the attitude of that. They're trying to take it from me. And i don't think that that their heartache. I just have this attitude and it's like listening to for the last four years. It's like whoa. Why having you softened. What can i do to help you to not be 'cause it's like they're good people. I never said they weren't good people. But i'm not giving lottery winnings as i mean they can be good people and i share my wealth with them. Hey let me ask the question here. Let's just going to go back in time. A little bit lunchbox if you won five hundred million dollars would you cut me off a chunk. No okay the first five years or so that we did it. I watch box part of my contract because it was like. He's not getting paid enough like i did. Give them part of my paycheck. Saying what do you want me to say this on the show so the show going without me new right it was he was like man. This do really does deserve it. Like i mean. Come on guys like without me. The show wouldn't have been there like he would have been just sitting there talking to nobody to. Oh so yes he needed someone around overvalued at that point maybe was about the company. Like i'm not. We're not gonna pay anymore. I was like okay. We'll take it out of mine. And i just wonder if that early would affect if you were to win the lottery now but the answer is no no but i do. Thank you for that. I appreciate that. I mean five hundred million dollars like a little bit here a little bit there. And that's i'm not even asking for it. I don't even think you share it with your wife. And i always say five hundred million that you're gonna go broke if you give a little give a little there. You've got to be smart with your money. So but the first thing you want me to do is break you guys off some so you're really doing the exact opposite what you're telling me. You guys are conflicting stories. I want to know that i. That's what i'm saying you're contradiction. What do they call your pictures. Dictionary word of the day really came into play today andrea. Is there anything that we can do or say to to to make you feel better about this. No i think you guys are amazing. I eat just blessing. Thank you okay. Well we may loss loser. No no no you like. I'm like my heart pounding. There's guys for four years old. Well we listen we value so much the fact you call us to just makes my mornings and how weird it is to call the radio show so thank you. I encourage you to stay with us. Even if lunchbox here. I promise you is a good guy. He may be obnoxious sometimes. Just irritates me. It's kinda like magic. Just kick him in the. It's all right. I still love you. Basically the same because we kicked the other side of them. All right. thank you andrea. Have a great day thank you. I'm robert evans hosted behind the bastards and it could happen here and boy. It does seem to be happening here. I'm going to guess. Most of the people listening to this are deeply concerned with what they saw happen. In washington dc on january. Sixth and i'm here to tell you. It was a fascist insurrection. An attempt by fascists to take over our democracy and it didn't happen in historical vacuum there have been numerous attempts many of them successful by fascist movements to take over democracies over the last century in order to protect yourself in order to protect your family. And your very freedom. You need to understand this history. In the history of the different anti-fascist movements that have fought sometimes successfully often unsuccessfully to stop the same things from happening in their own countries. The knowledge of this history is important. In it's maybe the only thing that can save us so if you were as concerned as i am listen to behind the insurrections on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. Can you name the streaming service if i give you the show. Maybe we just talking about earlier. How we can't keep track so you. Can amy ready the office. The peacock correct. Ted laso apple plus. Yeah apple tv plus. Good the undoing. Hbo max Remind me after this. I'll tell you what i watched last night on. Hbo magazines good the mandalorian disney plus. She's good well. My my husband and son like that one and i've never seen star wars. Can i watch the mandalorian man. I haven't watched it so many of my friends including yesterday. I was getting haircut. Wants mandalorian. I said no. I've never seen star wars. She me either. But it's great on time. I'm a star wars fan. Never seen mandalorian. I ve seen all of it. I think you would like to give it a few episodes. Even without knowing star we have to know anything about the umbrella academy net flex jack ryan amazon tang. The morning show apple. Plus i got apple plus free trial to begin with and now i keep it because there's other good shows yellowstone and a lot of places but paramount peacock. Okay i guess it moved. Okay one more the handmaid's tale. Yeah wow a lotta yellowstone through me. 'cause there's like a billion to get a lot of those shows if you buy them places yes true but if you have peacock you can just watch yellow. Before peacock like season one. Two three Wasn't on the peacock on hbo max last night. The tiger woods documentary part one of two. Oh good it's crazy so this into the lifelines. Even if i don't like golf i like it though. It's it's pretty the first episode one. That's out it's pretty golf centric but you see how his early i mean his his dad earl woods was a two time green beret did tours and military him as a young kid to be goff and he even his girlfriend from high school isn't this and she was like had no life. Well she's like. I've taken bowling. He'd be like wow and then you see how he was brought into. This world had no social human skills. Yeah and he's the biggest thing wild and used and he does show him in handcuffs at the very beginning of it because eventually it gets there. Yeah but you start to kind of in a way. Feel bad for him. The handcuffs was the last name right until he is recovering. Influence driving in crashed right outside his house. no over. well you're thinking of is. She came out and busted the back of his suv when she found that he was doing some some showers but again that was before the handcuffs. Okay but it's very goff said. I think eventually you'll like it. But it shows him winning the the biggest tour events. you know the augusta by twelve strokes. Oh i setting records. But it's pretty even caitlin was like is a little golf heavy at the beginning but she liked it because it just shows you why top five biggest athletes of our lifetime. How we're like. We wish we were tiger. But then you see some of it and you're going band. He had a rough growing up. He he wanted to play different. Sports and the teachers were like went to his dad. And were like hey like to do other stuff. And he doesn't know this is it. He would train him while playing golf. To sh- to knock out distractions. He would be yelling at them and doing in his pocket. While putting this is gonna happen to your whole life he would. He tiger had to hypnotize himself. It's amazing so he could play golf in a in a state of almost like an zone. Why golf why why golf. You can watch c. Just to give giving over there but it sounds like i mean i like michael jordan. That was a little more about people then so far. The tiger woods one is. But but i think it'll get there but it was good if you guys have. Hbo max or get the free trial. That was pretty good. I hear you go. A new study found. There is no such thing as too much exercise. Oh everything you do helps your heart when it comes to matters of heart health. No amount of exercises too much. Now listen if you have a calf injury and you keep running on your calf injury. Obviously that's not good for your body however some go. If you're on too much you probably just gonna no no you're just basically lifting weights with your heart is making it stronger all the time. You're doing it so there you go. Are you still exercising at a relatively consistent. Yeah i don't. I guess i'm not. I don't stress out about it as much. And that's what i would say astronaut to that articles like it could be too much if it's becoming unhealthy in talking about your mind. Okay so strikes again. Someone mike i would maybe in the past just in all honesty i would have heard that article and then use that as giving myself permission to over exercise. Because hey wasn't all bad can do it. This is what they say. I know i agree. I'm just saying how we hear it. Sometimes if you're not in the right state but yes to answer your question. I do get my heart rate up and try to take care of myself. 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Guest: Aislinn Paul - Best Friend Hooked Up with Ex-Best Friend

Don't Blame Me!

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Guest: Aislinn Paul - Best Friend Hooked Up with Ex-Best Friend

"Hello everybody welcome back to another episode of. Don't blame me and today our guest has never been here before her first time with bangs. thought about it just a little bit there aren't they earlier but then she home before and then didn't say anything. David Okay also told you that she got bangs and showed a picture. Shirk says look things are I just super jealous. Anyone who cannot bangs my hero strata were banks a lot see. I when I wore my hair curly like when I didn't heat silent and it was just natural texture and like curly I would. I had bangs but I I just during the manx so early air. That's very straight pigs two thousand nine yeah that was very much like the deep side. Bang just like the swoops is calling out my like season eleven grassy well. We've been over the fact that apparently you're not a compliment also found out which is Super Nice. It's cool whatever I gloat up guys that she was a character Herrington. You didn't write fan you cringing the shit. Your character had to do whereas I was relieving roll fantasy camp with the story in there. I was on the next chapter of White Harry Potter Fan pig. I was fucking loser and you had to wear fake fake glasses and there I was like you like my transition lenses. fucking kill me okay well apparently turns lenses or cool in the VISCO girl days which is like fucked up because I am attacked because could just I could have been cool back in the day. It's like now cool to be poor in like environmentally conscious scrunches fun time well. Oh guys assumed by the way me if you want to call in for an upcoming episode you can leave us a voicemail at three zero six nine four zero nine seven six events a faster than I really needed to slow down and if you're an international listener you can send us an audio file. Megan podcasts at gmail.com and if you're by right brings us kept she played the first call Megan Melissa and guest. I hope that you can give me awesome advisement situation. I'm going through in January. I took my fiance best friend appearance to his beak for my twenty first birthday because I wanted to be S- roundabout on my favorite ever people on my special day at the start of the holiday. Everything was going well. Then my friends started acting a little bit weird and was complaining about my fiance and was annoyed. Loyd when I didn't want to go bar hopping with her. I don't really drink at all. 'cause I have really bad anxiety and I don't like not being control of myself and Oko oh we'll makes you lose control of yourself so I started spending more time with her to make sure she was okay and happy but it meant hours and able to really enjoy my time with my fiance parrots this made me really stressed out and I had an anxiety attack and I wanted to cut the trip short but my mom and fiance were really helpful and they come with me so it's a twenty hour road trip on the way back and she wouldn't talked me at all so so often when we got back home. I try to stir to see her. Before she went back to uni goes. She goes to union opposite of country and and we've been best friends since we will five. I've known her mind Iowa it. It's really been weird three years not seeing every day because I was so used to it and and now that this is happening like economy fuel really awkward about it so a couple of months paused. I've tried texting her like she didn't respond then came out holidays and she she tells me when she's coming harm engine this time so I sort of food market and the the next day on message her and was like Hey. Can we chat so when I saw her. I told her how I felt about everything. At first she was really rated offensive about it and kind of mad at me but then a couple of days NATO she misses me and was like I'm ready. Sorry I'll try be bitter and I'm sorry that made you feel that way. It's been about two months. Nelson's that chat we had and I haven't missed it sure because now I don't know what to do. I Feel Really Strange Ama- supposed to message her Ama- supposed to tell her again the how I feel I don't know what to do. Can you guys please help me. I really appreciate it. I appreciate the fact that she edited this being in time for very much like this sounds like an instagram watching mm-hmm. I wish we could go back in time and you could have not invited them all to your birthday so badly yeah. I just heard well no but I think I think like I think like I totally understand why you wanted them all there. It's just difficult group of people to have it's difficult the have your relationship your parents and then a friend like it's just a it's just an odd dynamic that someone's always going to end up feeling left left out and I don't want you to take the responsibility that that was your fault but I think you've said your piece in like how you felt to your friends she was defensive offensive and then she apologized and I think she feels stupid like I think she feels like immature and kind of dumb and I think you have the power and you had the upper hand and like you came Matt Her. I in in most nations. I think when your feelings are hurt you it's fair to expect other people to then like your. I'm going to put the effort in. I need them to like come to me but in this sense I think like yeah I think like I think you should reach out to her because I think she might feel like a little embarrassed dumb yeah I think I think you're very good at picking questions because this feels very cherry. Pick for me because I've you've been in this situation very similar to this. I've been on a trip like that and it's really it's really difficult because there are a lot of dynamics at play play and also when it's couples and someone who single it does sort of change things a little bit and there's obviously also at a different take place in her life than maybe she was when you guys were friends when you were younger if she's been union has been drinking a lot going out with other single friends that she's made at school and you guys have never really been wants to drink together but she wants to do that with you and wants to go out with you and not realizing necessarily that that's not fun for you like it just feels like there's maybe some growing pains in your friendship that she's going through some things that are different from what you're going through and you're just at different places in your lives but yeah. I think with a friendship that long there's just so much at play. There's a lot riding on it and also I guess in some ways as we expect friendships to stay very stable for years and that's really not the case like you can have a lot of different variations of the same friendship. Sometimes you're spending spending whatever time together sometimes you don't see each other for a long time. Sometimes you have different priorities so I think it's I think it's okay that you guys aren't as close right. Now and things are a little bit. There's more tension. I don't think that necessarily spells the end for you guys as friends it's just important that you're both that you're thinking about keeping yourself comfortable and safe and not getting hurt and for her sake and then also considering her feelings to that like there was probably a part of her that felt left out and felt like she wanted to spend time. I'm with you on that trip. I think it's just important that if you can establish now like reaching out to her an amount that feels comfortable for you and you feel like you can have sort of a routine of staying in touch and if she will participate not then that's great and I think this can just sort of be a growing experience for you both but if she she continues to sort of belittle you or like be take it so personally anytime you sort of critique things or say like I'd rather we've we've talked to a different time or rather. We did this if she isn't willing to participate in that and work through this with you then. I think it's fair to move on then I think you you have a friendship that sort of run. Its course but yeah at this point. I think you're just going through a period of growth and change and I think you guys can still figure out how to keep that friendship alive yeah because I think you're right. I think you're both pretty different right now and it's not about one of meeting the other where the other one is it's about. Bugai's finding a place in the middle because I I think also hurt suggesting wanted to go bar hopping. She probably doesn't want to just like stay in the place. You're saying with your parents and you and your fiancee like she's fifth wheeling and so for her. It's like Oh we can go to a bar in like it might not necessarily like in her mind like maybe it'll be fun us out drinking but hurts also can be more people like I can talk to a guy like it can be something like this but as opposed like no. I'd rather rather just stay here obviously like not saying go back in time but I mean like in in the future if it's something her suggesting something that you really don't WanNa do and like as someone who doesn't drink like I totally understand stanton that but there's a way of being like I mean like I'm down to go out but like I don't really want like you go to find out drink and she can be a gap for sure or if it's like hey how about instead like why don't we go to the dinner and we like go see like a comedy show. Why don't we go do something like this and making the effort to like spend time with focus on your relationship with her specifically specifically as opposed to like all these like like when I think this is difficult in general when like your long distance friends when you that front comes in I've had with people where like someone comes to visit. You're used to visit someone and like you have your own life fair and then you just are so excited to bring them into your life but that's those things and the people in the places and all that stuff that might mean so much to you that you don't necessarily mean as much to her so I think it's about fostering an independent friendship. That's not like Oh. Here's my boyfriend and here's here's the stuff that like we like to do together and the stuff that I want to do. It's like Oh. Let's figure out what like how we can specifically do something but I would just say like senator text message saying that like you miss talking to her she she knows how you feel. I don't think you need to restate it. I think like she probably feels embarrassed. I say like I would I would be the one to reach out like schedule a skype date to like hang talk like just like eat dinner together over like facetime road ever and then gauge from there to see like Oh. Are we in the same place that are we both wanting to put as much effort right and energy into this friendship or is it not but I think like moving on from like what happened at your birthday and like trying to start a new I think is the way that that you're going to see if you both are as invested in meeting each other in the middle saying that's what you need to do but it also if you WanNa meet her in the middle. That's okay too but it's just not you can't ask her to meet you where you are if you're not willing to kind of like sacrifice and things she should be willing to chew and if you're not it's okay to grow partners. Also Katie grow apart for like you said like a time uncreative time because this is a different time in your lives you clearly have very different priorities both of you at the moment and like I think I've had that with a lot of friends as well. When they've gone away to school. They've been very engrossed in their studies and then we maybe don't talk as much and then like they'll move back to the city or they'll get a job and like things can and change in a friendship can sort of have those stages and that's okay too as long as you don't let any painful feelings like fester turn into a resentment that you haven't having aired with her than like could come out years later. You just have to keep thinking that as a positive friendship. That's almost just like you know on pause for a minute while she's doing stuff for. If you guys can keep up with like skype dates weekly limb that would be really great to and it's just about where you're both at long as you don't turn it into like a a negative thing and like think of any time that she's unavailable or doesn't want to speak as like a negative for your friendship Yeah Yeah. It's AH friendships are hard once you get older too because yeah it's just it's not it's not the same and this period in your life to it's just like that's a huge period of change like early twenties when you're engaging in school like if she's not dating anyone like you guys are just yeah she can't you. She can be your best friend and your a friend. You've had the longest but doesn't have to be the friend that you there are certain things that you will relate to more with other people and like all of that sort of stuff and so just making sure that your neither of you are setting the other one for failure like if she wants you to be going out drinking friend then you're not. GonNa fail yes. That's yes standard so you want her to be like like your home body. We all just hang out. Watch movie with me and my boyfriend kind of friends like that's kind of like a dog like or someone else like find find a friend. WHO's in a relationship who's friends with your like. Have it be something like that because then she's going to fail in that aspect too so it's expecting obviously you expect things of your friends but making sure that like it's a fair thing that you can eat live up to and I sense yeah. Best of luck also invite me Berthiaum Motza. Yes sounds great. It'd be there next year. I'm bringing Monceau. That'll be good. God only going out ads throwback. I'm down just noodle in front of me. I'll make fun of you. Okay onto the next day Megan so I'm eighteen years old and I'm being guys were like eight months and everything's that's cool but so summer you've been working the lifeguard at this summer camp and she's like the only guys it's like him. One other guy and all the rest are like a girl with a five or six other girls and they're offering. She's buying the work together but they had how we grew talking all the time and and we're just fine and is it kind of makes little bit uncomfortable they because a few girls had already admitted to him they used to have crushes on him and they all knew each other when they were hunger and they always talk about all their memories and how he used to say he was in marijuana the other girls and they talk about it all the timing nine and talk about how to use them all the time and it all just makes me a little bit uncomfortable and just recently. He told me that he had been talking to a couple of the girls about like relationships and like fights and stuff. I I guess and I was like why are you talking to other girls about our relationship like that. Just makes you comfortable. I have I always just comes comes in you told my confide and the people of the opposite gender like give you advice about your relationship. I I don't know if I'm just being crazy or what and they also have like a movie light and him Girls Water Guy and I was just going to be his girls well. He invited me to go with ongoing but especially when they feel uncomfortable and I'd be like I am I wrong for being upset that he's kind of our relationship and longer be uncomfortable about all of their talks about their feelings and stuff. I don't know money no and I think stupid learn this. Would you be mad too. Thanks bye first of all. I'm always math who I if you ever want to be like. Am I allowed to be mad. I'll tell you that yeah. I'll be mad to first of all these girls. This is so Laham like they are. That is so embarrassing for them like I. I know you every right to feel annoyed I would. I'm annoyed with your boyfriend which I think also. You're also night with your boyfriend this asset but I just want you to know in general like these girls to be like Ping always had like a crush on you always undergo. Weenie shit show up like your friends with him. Now you come across like such a fucking. Weenie like it's just like it's not hot like that's not like like you know like. I always thought you were like so on a group chat. I didn't really need crush on you in kindergarten showed Mary. Beth like it's just so fucking weird. and I think that's boosting his ego and I think that's why he's like dealing with it. I I think the talking about your fights in that stuff is also not okay. I will crossing a line correct correct you but I will say my sense. I don't think it the gender aspect doesn't matter it's the future of their friendship the fact that the case and it's show excuse like exclusive. They're hanging out not with our you yeah. It's not that it's not like your mutual. Mutual female friend who is in a relationship shipping is not has not expressed interest in your boyfriend and he's getting advice from them. Yeah he's going to complain. Ignore that's just I yeah. It's it's crossing the line but it's also a I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that it's maybe not intentional. He's not intentionally trying to go to someone who's going to are you but I think there's a validation factor. I think like he feels validated getting to talk to someone who has a crush on him thinks he's great and this is really. I hate this. I really hate this for you. Because in some ways yeah there's a lot of this that is just a level of paranoia and being nervous and liking him a lot lot and being nervous about him spending time with other women but then there is also a part of it that's crossing a line and you have every right to be frustrated and bothered by yeah but it can be really hard to bring that kind of a situation up because it's so easy to get gasoline in a situation like that because there's so much of it that is totally fine. Input on how you can tell him I call it into a podcast and they said that I ever feel yeah. You can tell them they'd like to twenty five year old man said no and don't tell them I'm Natalie but I wanNA know if you read texts we left that out. I want to read through the group John. That's why you know this said that's what I'm curious serious about because your mentor Deng Mom and the only one that I'm glad you saw that men are dumb and try to get done to job on campaign. Yeah I know but I wanted to get the joke but I made it so good but he had something ago there. You go if he had something to hide. they're not that smart to hide something in plain sight so I think like if if these as messages like you can feel uncomfortable about this but the fact that these girls are saying that they used to have crushes on him and all of that stuff if it makes you feel any better. I don't think if he was cheating on you. Ah there wouldn't be those messages like they wouldn't say that kind of stuff necessarily because like you wouldn't know unless again you've looked through his phone on and this is not stuff that like insist up. It's come up. I think okay. Let's make it practical with you. I think you're going to this movie night. you're going to look so hot. I don't know how tall you are but and I don't know how short these other people are and no offense to say some of the short people most people people in this room. If you're short oh the I would say as a tall girl then I go in and I'm not I not that we dress for monory dress for women. I'm telling you address to intimidate like I'm saying like look great like look awesome and just feel like fucking bad ass. Guy Sephora where I'm like. Oh you're not gonNA fuck with me and I've literally weren't cy high stilettos like just over the knee boots. I'm going to stomp on you bitches and even if it's like they're not being Ashok so good. I'm like I am Charlie. Stern like I am going to crush. You and I think you need to go in with that kind of confidence to the situation and not not confront any of them or anything like that but that's I think you need to do some. Intel and assess that kind of thing and see oh. Is there in person relationship incredibly flirty do you you feel do you feel uncomfortable with how your boyfriend responds in real time like do you see this. Do you think that like he's adjusting these different. Things is he say. Is he being the same way. He's been in these text messages. Is it adding up or is it is kind of backtracking and trying to make it like make. It seem a little bit different. I think you can tell from there and then I think I think you have a better to stand on when talking to him about it after you've met them and interacted with them because I think like that will prevent you from being gasoline in in the small amount because then you also if you did read the sex messages. You don't have to admit that read text you know or you can yeah yeah this is this is a tough spot to navigate because again you also don't want to call into question the relationship that you have with your boyfriend in the trust that you guys have built but if you don't trust him that's the bigger issue if the trust is in question but like something that I can really relate to is like sometimes. It's not really about you trusting him. It's about you trusting these other girls because they're clearly the ones trying to save up in beef or tasteless and it's his responsibility L. D. to a group of girls who have expressed interest in him that he is not going to tell them when you are having issues because that's giving them an entry way into your relationship and that's not that's really really not okay and that becomes a level of how can I trust. I don't trust these girls because they're clearly expressing interest and as opposed to you shutting shutting them down politely. You're letting them and I I also think there's an issue with like not shutting down when some or even when someone says something negative about you and if your partner doesn't shut down passive about that you're letting letting that behavior happen and then you're you're containing that behavior happen and then you're gonNA basically talk about the fight that you had. You're going to people who are going to tell you that you're right and that's the biggest issue and like I. We all done that when you're fighting with someone and you're like. I know they're certain friends that if I want to go to them like Jerry I love Jerry various much jerry will I am never wrong. Jerry's is she's like no. No no you need to what they did there fucking bitches car on fire damper straight to you and you're like okay. I hear you but I don't think that you're totally right. I think that's the thing that he can't go for. It's advice or to vent about relationship to something like you said that it's is so incredibly one-sided because he's not actually he's just like it's a cathartic. I just one event it out kind of be validated and go to these people who have been giving me lots of compliments in making me feel great about myself and like I think that's a clear our conversation that you can have with him. That's a statement that you can make and no one will call you crazy for that. Just say like I don't feel comfortable you talking about our issues with these girls. I think it's healthy for for you to talk to a friend and like he had like shopping but just not with them. Yeah that makes your position much more difficult because you have to sort of keep these cards close to the vest. Not admit that you've read these text messages. yeah if you okay I I I would say I would wait till you're in person and you after not in person with them but like after you've done this movie night and hung out with all that stuff I think like I think thank you are going to be able to not show your hand all the way your like if you have. That person has like a while. I'm just it's like teaching you how to be psychotic and then from there you can say like. Oh this from how you felt in person and then if it doesn't doesn't clear up you can use that as it made me freak out and then I read your text messages and then that can be in there that is gonna be crazy. Thank that works no that works in general like not even about specific steps of how to bring this up just in general. I think to be in in a position where you are asking yourself. If you seem crazy for feeling these things thinking you cut yourself so much more slack. I feel like that's my catchphrase. Every time I come on this podcast Cairo some slack but just be aware that if you're feeling this way there is something that is up to make you feel that way. A. And Society has told us that we all have to be cool and chill and relaxed and everything's fine and if we're demanding controlling as girlfriends like we are menaces Mrs who guys like get together with their bows and talk about how horrible we are and that's just not a good mentality to have that like you have a fear of seeming not chill chill but if there's something that is bothering you and enough that you're calling into a podcast for advice about it and you're still wondering am I crazy. You're not crazy like there's clearly something going on that is enough to make you feel uneasy and you have to acknowledge that feeling and let yourself feel that and also not talk down to yourself for feeling that way they like that feeling feeling doesn't come out if you can't make that feeling of it's there are it's not an something happened to make you feel that way. Ensure like some of it might be caused by something that is relatively harmless. It's like it might just be a question of you not getting to participate in this social group that is very that your boyfriend clearly values and really likes being part of like this fun Little Club Club and they've got their own inside jokes and that can just you can feel left out from that and it can be technically harmless a lot of ways and still make you feel like not so great but there are also could be some aspects of this that are like that are crossing the line and we've acknowledged that like there's definitely some lines being crossed here and I think you have to give yourself a bit more respect like respect your feelings a little bit more. You don't feel good about this and that's you're right yeah. Hey Meghan how here's my situation that you wait so I had like this really close best friend and he's like only fine for like a really long time we were like super super close and in a while like after we got really close I got a boyfriend and he clearly got like so jealous and made a big scene about it and pretty much broke doc my trust because she just like fuck it up really and obviously you just. Kinda like family ghosted him. I guess and it was really bad odd and there's like a history of him doing more things to other people and stuff and then recently another friend of mine so seen him even though she even though she knew it means stuff and she knew the whole situation and she eventually told me off the other day. She said she had tell me something and she was saying like you. You know he got like really drunk and he called her up and they pretty much like I really and then she like. Did all those like all knowing that you know. She knew it would hurt me and stuff but I don't know I feel like I feel like I was wrong even though like I told her like you know you got you gotta do like. I can't control you anything but you know she's my best friend. I've known her for like freaking years and stuff and I don't want to like loser and stuff but like I don't know what the fuck to do or like how they handle the situation so please help. Thanks bye what the fuck. I'm a little bit confused so we're saying it's for longtime friend. I wish her both her best friends ended up fucking each each other via her female and male best friends but also she and the male best friend had a falling out because he clearly had feelings for her when she started dating someone else yeah okay then that other guy that she's dating that didn't he didn't come back up in that story being stable. They have no insurance and then your you ghosted your ex ex best friend and now you're upset because your new now best friend or maybe she's always been. ABC's she's you're stopping Offi. Oh my God yeah okay so Jordan fucked stocks and you're mad so so the command center uh-huh Okay Super Frank with you. I don't know why you're upset or I don't WanNa say that you're not really allowed to be upset. I think like I wish I had clarity on what he did to your friendship that you were like. I had to be done and it because yeah without that I have I. I don't know what to tell you in that sense because like if he treated you like shit and said like you're a vile disgusting person. I hope you get hit hit by a bus like and you don't want your friend sleeping with yeah and then you're like shit I but like I don't know if it was just kind of a normal or like a wow. I had feelings for you. You led me on kind of thing like I thought we ran into each other and like he said some shit that was clearly emotionally fueled by that then like him moving on should be a good thing. I don't know why you Harvard these negative feelings for him because I don't know what he did. You know what I mean. Yeah Yeah I. I don't know there's probably a lot of things going on in your mind. I don't know if maybe you're worried that your best friend is going to get hurt. If this guy still has feelings is for you like he's trying to get with her to get back at you but at the end of the day that's not your problem. You just have to let them do what they're gonNA do. I feel bad for this tough love but like yeah we as if there's no if there was no incident that was like quite yeah rude and like a reason to not want your friends to be involved with him. Then maybe you have to look at your own feelings because maybe you like the fact that he I was so into you and maybe the fact that he's moving on and it's not okay in your mind also if you if he did something shitty and your other friend new and instill chose to go out with him. That's okay like that's fine. She's allowed to serve. She can make her own choices whatever she wants his. Here's the thing like again. We still don't know what caused your friendship to break down other than if it was a reveal of these feelings and that's why you guys aren't hanging out as much but to be honest. I've been in a situation relation like this where I had a friend who I didn't know they had feelings for me and then I found out and then they started dating someone else and I was fucking relieved. I was so excited 'cause I was like great cool. We can be friends again because you clearly have moved on your feelings. Aren't there for me anymore like we can just be normal again. So if you're not feeling that way maybe their shelf. Sean you have maybe yeah but then on the other side if it is the fact that he is just maybe handleable and has been a shit guy then it's not your problem if your friend wants to date them and like yeah you just have to be there for different yeah and also and and the reason why I think this is more of like a jealous thing is because like the fact that like she slept with him and you told her like well. She's got do like first of all if someone's like being like hey I think we're going to hook up and you really don't want them to you. Say you don't say because Horny me is like Oh yeah fuck so I have your blessing for sure. You're like if you really like. I can't even tell you the amount of time Sydney did not want me to go with my ex she would see us from across the room at a party fucking sprint and throw her body between get in the fucking car like you can go insane to be like no do not make this fucking mistake. Don't do something like this but like if your friend is calling you and asking essentially it's like. Is this okay. If it's not her responsibility. I'm a big I'm a big believer in the. I'M GONNA take people at face value like if you tell me you're fine. Are you telling me this is how you feel. It's not my responsibility to call. You and we'll tell me how you really feel like if that's if that's what you're comfortable talking to me as I'm GONNA take. I'm GONNA take that. It's not my job to pull that stuff out of you and also so I have to say you do what you gotta do. It's a little passive aggressive. Oh Yeah it's a grasp kind of aggressive so I feel like if you if hearing US talk to you like this is like a good spa goldwater in the face and you realize like Oh shit yeah like I've. I haven't been reacting the way I should be. I think it would be good to maybe reach out to her again and she'd be like hey by the way I really do mean it. Everything's like how was it. I don't really know how old you guys are her or like like sexually experienced you guys are either if this is like common fertilizer hook up with a Lotta people but also maybe this is like she wants your friendship and support and someone to talk to in these moments if she's feelings for this guy if it's like a big deal. I think it would be may be good to just sort of reassess where you're at because obviously if this is causing you pain and not not something you want to revisit than definitely don't put yourself in that situation but if you're realizing through listening to this that may be you overreacted or have been not analyzing your feelings correctly. I think you should and how does your boyfriend feel about how pissed you are isn't so there seems to be announced disappeared appear. I'm curious how he feels about that too because like you can feel to take the words it so you can feel some type away about like your ex dating someone but that's kind of like a like a little quiet fuming thing you have in your. I'm GonNa tell anyone because I I can't feel like this is so dumb or someone that you break up with slang when you're like Oh. You have a new girlfriend no right to be upset but I'm still like that's that's something that you feel that little twinge of like whatever feeling that is jealousy or like as someone who loves attention when someone else when they turn their attention. I'm Mike what do you mean like. You're going to move on from me like I didn't think you but like that's actually what I was just about to say too. Is that even maybe you didn't have feelings for him but you're kind of jealous because you no longer have his attention yeah that will also give you complete right to feel inside inside you're allowed to you're allowed to feel that acknowledged that it's cool. We all really like attention and then you have to like you have to deal with your feelings is on the outside a little bit better and like treat your friends well and if you've got this other relationship going on like I guess on that like who your friend ends up dating and if you don't like like that and maybe if it was something that like when he went off on you about this was the fact that like you felt betrayed because like you had thought you I built a friendship and he was really just into you and now moving on and you're like but I thought you were so into me and like that kind of thing I think you can have all of that those sort of feelings and stuff but like it doesn't get you anywhere anywhere to focus on other people's relationships unit you had prior history with him and if you can't get over that then you do need to take yourself out of the situation from your female friend which is fine line and just be like hey. I don't know why I'm like reacting this way and I don't like I listen to this podcast. They were incredibly beautiful on enlightening and like so pretty and I don't like my reaction and I don't necessarily feel like it's warranted and there's a certain point like what is she supposed to do like what there is no solution. Aleutian here because it also doesn't necessarily affect you in that way so it's like pulling yourself away from the situation and be like I needed like sort my own ship before I like will before you put yourself in a place is that you could potentially end up losing her as a friend because you have these emotions in anger and feelings and then yet have have a have a bigger conversation. You shouldn't with like her about it if you WANNA understand like if you don't feel understood or heard but I think like you also need to hear her to love to know what the hell happened yeah so curious very very curious and would love to know like what the drama was signed into. RDM's and also call us at update and RDM's made the podcast. Someone deemed the podcast and just help me. How do I stop being such a this I mean why do we need to help her right all right great really good instrument we do well. You know who you are too somber bringing. Everybody and we will be right. I'm excited to share that a friend of the show Sophia Bush have you ever heard of her is launching her own. podcast called work in progress on on the podcast. You'll hear frank funny personal professional and sometimes even political conversations with people who inspire Sophia who if you guys don't know Sophia Bush which by the way living under a rock on one tree hill is my life and she is one wins buyers me. I JUST WANNA say. FYI I named my many no what is it called my Bug Punch book. I named Dip Brooke Davis because she that was her character Helen. She had that car just. FYI that's definitely not a part of this guys. 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Our listeners will get a special care package with every delivery. That's the Pill Club at dot. com slash blame to get your. I Birth Control Care Package. Remember the pill club dot com slash blame high provider of our break. We're GONNA hop the rest of the calls Hi Meghan Mallon guests. I'm all my name is kristen. I'm twenty one and I need your fucking. I've recently started. I think this guy by saying I mean like hooking up going on dates with this guy's brown my friend from high school. thing being is that he doesn't know that. I've actually had sex with another one of our close friends that are in the front group. I've been both well one of our best friends and he kind of goes further back with this friend. I think he's known him since kindergarten. I've actually just met him. My Senior High School the thing is is that the situation Croatian kind of happened not out of romantic nation but my friend and I were both in position where we hadn't really had six awhile and we just figured we didn't want her first time in a long time to be with someone that we didn't necessarily care about urgent care much us so we just thought it would work out but obviously it didn't and now I find myself in a situation where I'm saying this other. Guy and things are getting a little more serious than anticipated so I feel like this is something that I should probably bring except my none of our friends now. Oh and my friend actually has a girlfriend and I don't want to negatively impact that relationship in any way namely because that's a stupid and be like is not my place but I'm just trying to be cognizant of the fact that if the guy that I'm seeing that have a negative reaction that could negatively impact that only our friend group but also that that relationship so I dunno taught me out your needs help. Just grow me. Please thank you so much. Love permission to grow the girl you know. What are you talking about living your best life yeah. You're doing great. You're doing the damn thank you. Don't have talent like your sexual. History is not your like. It's not it's not he's not. I don't want to have negative reaction action but like their if they were that close in he knows he doesn't. They're not close enough for him to know what's in the past is in the past like you both have passed like there are other women that he's slept with that. You might know like you don't have to tell him at all. I think to be honest. I think anything of you telling him. I would then think like if I were him and my big. Do you still have a thing for him like why would you why are you bringing it up and sound like it was a big deal when it clearly wasn't it was just like yeah to friends so I I don't and also I think there's just like some like if you all went to high school together. I'M GONNA assume y'all fucked like if I enter like AH MAZDAS high school friends like I like I like doing like there's just kind of like a if you did. You did like it's not it should be have non issue. I think if he asks you be truthful and don't lie about it like you're less pointblank. Hey by the way to hook up and you could make. Oh yeah like like one time. Where a couple of times but like it's not something that like withholding that information is not alive because it has nothing to do with your relationship at all like it predates your whole relationship once they get married and he's a groomsman? What movie was that just in. I didn't watch the whole movie was on I think I think Brad Pitt was in it matches watching. It accepted your rights when it was my what I don't remember good good story I mean I'm just tell the truth I also by then I'd also hope and assume that it would mean even less like like I think now it only means more because they haven't been seeing each other seeing each other as you guys said. You're not even really dating yet. You're just sleeping together like I think at this point it does mean a little it would mean more to him to find that information out because he feels less secure with you and like it's new and it's more recent if you always like had a longer term relationship and we're more committed and spend more time together got married in some crazy future version of this. I think it would matter even less at that appoint. That would be even less of a big deal and I think it's not something that I think you have to worry about too much but I also understand like they're being that kind of like wanting to be wanting to heat up from not wanting to hide anything but also maybe there's also a societal pressure to of like you're worried about looking like a slut yeah and like him. I like changing his opinion of you. Because you did not like would make him think that you're more into like casual sex. God forbid and I don't know if your friends I think he would know that yeah hopefully slept with two of your friends. Louis Yeah if he's someone who's going to judge you for that and like you guys are already having a casual relationship right now and he's going to judge you for casual with another one of his friends than he eighty might be an asshole and you shouldn't daily no hundred percent. I mean I think like I have a past and like I definitely like slept with people around the time that like we started dating before we were official and like we've talked before where it was one of the things that like what finally say okay you guys hooked up right and I was like yeah okay and I was like how does that make you. You feel this was like months into dating. I mean like I assumed like and he's like yeah. We were inclusive like it's not like it's but it's not something I felt the need that I was like Oh. I need to tell oh this person because it's no one's business. If you want to add someone wants to ask you about that. I've done it before then. It'll be like yeah or no but like I I think you've every right to ask but like bringing it up only makes it seem more important than it is and then like once exactly and I think it's the same thing like if I saw someone that he is up to the Reverend as like Oh yeah we did. I was like okay. I'm not as Security Mike. Hey buys away. Were going to go somewhere and there's going to be a girl. I slept with and it's going to be like L. A. Shallow Machine Talking Shit. I'm looking at the growth the glowing golden vagina being like the Omega. It doesn't need to be if you it's not a big deal and you pretend because it's not a big deal if you just like then he if he's had an adverse reaction. He's GonNa look stupid a bit because like he doesn't. He's going to standard clearly percent yeah. That's yeah I think. I don't think it is on you to bring it up. I do think yeah if it came up in conversation Asian being truthful would be the best option but I think don't worry about it being too big of a deal especially because if you guys are getting more serious but still are not even exclusive. Yeah you could be sleeping with somebody else right now and it wouldn't be fine. He wouldn't be allowed to be mad about it so stand by your decisions to don't apologize. Oh I'm sorry I was drunk. Like it was dumb. It was either to fuck fuck and a no apologies in its own apologizing to the guy that you're with now being like Oh. I'm sorry I didn't didn't mean like who cares like everyone has passed but yeah you don't Tom. Tell the truth ish is our new slogan Megan. just a little back story so I'm twenty six years old and my boyfriend is twenty nine years old and we've been dating for three three years. I'm currently in my last year of Grad School. I'm getting my doctorate in physical therapy and he's been employed and has a pretty the job so in the last couple of months he's been talking about moving in which I really excited about because it would be really convenient for both both of us and he works across the bridge and he wouldn't be new and I wouldn't have to rush doing all of my schoolwork it just prioritize time with him because it is difficult tab quality time with him as obviously the workload with being Grad School is really depending but he's been putting off the conversation and he's like randomly talking about buying furniture and getting happy which really make any sense to me if we don't list together because I don't really need any more furniture here and I wouldn't Marjorie a puppy on the own so anybody that would be really grateful and I don't know if this would help but I'm I come too late a really liberal family and his his family's very conservative and topic and he is the youngest brother so there's that and I'm assuming assuming that moving out with like a really big deal for him but for me. It's just like a natural thing our relationship that grows. It's just seems like it should be like the normal course of events especially Ashley Getting Together for three years. We've been seriously committed so I don't know. I don't really know where to go from here. I don't really want to give him an ultimatum because ultimately you can't force them to do anything about what it'd be right either but I don't really see myself picking up and leaving him because obviously there's the three years of emotional baggage there okay. I'm confused yeah so do you do you want him to move in and he's not bringing it up because I think the furniture and the puppy is high. I WANNA move in with you yeah but also it definitely changes things because in my head I was picturing that he has has is he's living in an apartment in your living department but then you said something about him moving out so is he still living at home because that changes things a lot too. I can see why there would be he would feel more guilty about his conservative upbringing and having conservative parents some sure then he's GonNa do before you move together yeah yeah. I'm nine. Can I need to know 'cause so. It's basically that he's not. He hasn't brought up the moving talk anymore and now he's only bring up the puppy in the front of the fun stuff but that's also oh yeah I to me. That's the same thing like I think it's maybe he. I don't know what you're and I don't want to say. Oh you did anything wrong but I don't know what your reaction was when was moving in together. Maybe you're oh I'm just saying I'm spitballing. Maybe like you said with us that you were like. Oh I'm into into that idea. That would be so convenient more all of this stuff that maybe he wanted it to be like. Wow I want us to like want to. I want it to be like a fun nextstep sort of thing and so maybe his now way of bringing it up is the more exciting fun stuff. I can make it a new furniture and like we'd get a puppy like he's maybe trying to romance like bring the romance and like that exciting next relationship step back into it and not have it be about convenience because in my mind those are all the same thing like that's not him back tracking but then there's also from a bleaker more cynical perspective. There's also the tape is exciting adding. There's also the possibility of someone who likes to talk about the fun stuff but isn't so much planner and does is it making those commitments in those plans but is happy to talk about like Hyphen yes hypothetical but never would take action but at the same time you guys have been dating for three years. That's a pretty as you can difficult commitment that he's made to you already I would find it surprising. If this was like a step he felt he could never take and also if he was to my parents basement. Yeah I don't know like I think it just sounds like you need so much more information or actually. Maybe we need more information. You know more stuff than the you're telling us but look I think if you just try to have a low pressure conversation with him and something that can sometimes be very helpful that I like to do if like I feel like I'm not I'm having a hard time talking to someone about something or I'm not sure where it's going. I like to sort of throw in some multiple choice answers if I'm like hey. Are you bothered by like moving in like. Is it financial thing. Are you worried about your parents like give him options. The deal like what's happening and keep it very very casual. Yeah just make sure like it doesn't seem like this hake me talk later and like the lights are often near like sitting at the table by yourself waiting for him to come home like John. Heading mcadoo not like scary and daunting and it just like a conversation of two people who have known each other like loved each other for three years like you should should be able to have open conversations about this kind of stuff and if it's if this is something you can't talk about that. Also is not good if it's scary. That's I as someone who's also three years. Relationship like there is no point in a relationship in which you're too far gone that if something happens or it's not going. Are you see that it's like oh well. This is my I've made my bed now into lying like no if you're three years in an you can't agreed with us and you don't want to give him an ultimatum but you do want to move in together and it's not happening. It's not three wasted years. That's three incredible like educational year that you can look back on the relationship with Saunas but like you're never too you far in deep to be like Oh. I can't get out now. I just have to deal with the shit that I I don't want to deal with your young this. This is not like you're never you never just have to like deal with shit too and what I would say I think you're I think everything everything you're saying is right what I would do. I as I would some people in relationships. Some people usually in relationships. You only get one planner. Sometimes you're Sydney. You're both fucking planners in Montana going on our first trip to Europe our first vacation ever for years. I'm Tara relationship. I'm more of a plan or when it comes to certain things like I'm I'm more of like A. Let's get this done and then he's like. Oh day-to-day. Let's figure this kind of stuff out so maybe it comes to the point of being like. I don't know if it was you're GONNA move in. Let's so he doesn't want to this parents maybe he let's say you've moved into his apartment or he would move into your apartment. Let's say for the sake of the argument and what I think you should do. Regardless guardless of you've had that talk is say hey I set up a couple of apartment showings that we can both go look at together. Let's go do this and if he's like Oh. I don't think I can and you can go on your own. Send pictures and big. What do we think like okay like you take the initiative because it might just be the he's not a planner and if he lives at home you might you don't have any fucking idea house. Dr Yeah but I think if it's like you wanted him to move in with you. I think that's valid fair thing that you can want but it's also a little bit harder harder to get somebody to just like move into yours yeah it. It doesn't feel like a joint thing you're on. Where do you have all of this furniture like then for him. He feels like he's it's not your place together. It just feels like it's just your place and there are some things that like I think it's an it shouldn't just be about convenience. It can be convenient but you shouldn't just want with your partner because it's convenient like there should be some like compromise and things there and the things that you're looking forward to in your excited about but if he feels like he's just walking into your life that you've already there and yeah yeah that's not that doesn't feel super awesome so I would say plan a couple of Hartman showings get him to come if he doesn't come and then if he doesn't take any initiative from there or he kind of shut down on everything then I say give him ask him about it and then give him like multiple ways like is it like fi financial thing. Is it like. Do you feel like you are afraid to like your. You're someone people might look look on. This thing that we're living with each other like out of wedlock like is there a religious thing is that it's my space or all my stuff. Would you rather like move somewhere else and like just have a conversation where if it's hard for him to be forthcoming because that's also something that can come from growing up in a conservative families. There's a lot you just don't learn how to talk about so if you can give him a few jumping off points basically that might just help him so that he can be like Oh. Oh yeah that one. It will help him think of something that he hadn't even hadn't even occurred to him because I also don't think you need to give an ultimatum but I think like yeah I think you just you need to have this conversation because I think this is going to sound very harsh. I don't mean it to be harsh but in the nicest way hey if you are three years into a relationship and this is something that you need outside help from a podcast with. I think like that says it. It has to be a conversation you guys have. I don't think it can be happening. You sort of believe and wait for him to eventually bring it up. I think it has to yeah yeah because ultimatums ultimatums come after multiple multiple conversations can ultimately is not the first thing like it's something that like this is something we've been dealing with for years and it's not getting better and it's not being fixed and we've tried all these other things and like me or this sort of thing but it's not it's not like the first the first thing and then yeah sometimes it sucks that like if you're gonNA have to be more of the instigator with something like this if new yeah as maybe if he was even originally brought up moving in together and then he's not taking the reins in your Catholic well what the fuck like sometimes it does suck that there are certain things that like other people just aren't more inclined to do but it doesn't necessarily denote how much they care or want want to do something like that. It's just like not they're instinct and he might be reading your convenience thing as like Oh. She doesn't WANNA move in. I want to wait until she wants to move in not just for convenience so have a conversation and yeah let us know how it goes yeah. It's I don't blame them yeah. This is where you guys call in with your own advice. I love this part. What do we have so. I'm excited because this is the first time where we get to have a call back from when it was you were on the last day so excited yeah so that's something try to start doing when we have repeat guests hi. Megan I'll call back I had some advice. I struggle with their twenty. Six talking about kind of relationship with her boss wanted to other things I feel like I'm in a very jason was tuition. At the moment I've worked a my current place for about three years and I kind of been my bosses go to there are other people ooh do my job but I kind of her go to cover shifts at she trust each individual everything and be the helper not and I kind of had a similar situation with her. When I wanted to get a second job this summer or money for college and I found personally I think with if you have a friendly relationship with your employer having that open line of communication about being like hey I leaving moving on moving but you know I kind of talking to her throughout the school year at ahead of time be like hey just say though this summer I thinking about getting another job. I don't know anything for sure but I'm thinking from an they do and just giving a heads up of like this is something that this is support but I'm looking forward to and I really respect your opinion bat but I just want to let you know what's going on so I really think that kind of keeping an open line of communication ahead of time and not sharing everything you're planning futures for things like that but just kind of is going to her and sharing that you have this vision fair life and the Iranians and move on really appreciate it that and this is something you're thinking about and kind of keeping her in the loop with that so that you guys can maintain that relationship that you've built but so that you can move on and and do you WanNa do and gas. Do what makes you happy Thanks so much of the podcast I saw Lid ed advice since Marin smart. People love being in the loop. I love being in the loop. I just love constant. UPDATES has signed my friends for Kyle even less than New York. I also I think like it's I think we worry as young people entering the workforce if like letting people down but I think it's so so so common for people bull like who are young and like newly entering the workforce to have to move around and do change jobs a lot and I think that's that's just really normal and I think yeah you'd have to not worry about people taking it personally and just Yappy as considerate as you can without jeopardizing your job orange your future yeah and just but don't be worried and go after your dreams failure won't be an actor which I don't work those dreams sometimes. It's not that fun yeah. I think that's great. I don't have anything else to add for that one. Yeah Oh carry well. That's it. This one flew you buy because we talked much well. It's Unplug your son's. Yeah hello our shit yeah you can find me on the Internet a a slim Paul for pretty much. 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"Means. Hello and welcome to the daily beans for Thursday June fourth twenty twenty today. Minnesota Attorney General Keith, Ellison ups the murder charge against show von to second degree murder, and charges the other three officers with aiding and abetting second-degree murder. BILL BARTELS THE DA to spy on protestors. The FBI finds no evidence Antifa was involved in any violence during the protests in DC. The National Guard deploys a medic helicopters to execute a combat theatre maneuver against protestors, the Secretary of Defense, bucks trump and says there's no need. Need for military response from the Public Majority whip agrees trump has kushner pushed the enquirer to investigate the scarborough conspiracy theory? Trump claimed he was just inspecting the White House bunker when he hit their another hydroxy. corcoran study proves trump was wrong. Racists Steve King Loses his Iowa primary trump is forced service chiefs to stay quiet about George Floyd. Minnesota schools canceled their contract with the Minnesota police, a top Pentagon official resigns in the wake of the photo. OP and trump commits voter fraud I'm your host ag? So as you can see, we have an extremely pack news day. There's a lot of important news that is dropping a minute by minute. It is currently three forty five pm on the West Coast on June third I just wanted to give you a time stamp so that you sort of knew where we were when we recorded this episode today Jordan. We'll be sending her. Update remotely and I will be joined by Amanda Reader for the Good News Block at the end of the show and don't forget our new show. Confessions debuts this Saturday June sixth, and it comes out the day before for patrons We also have our livestream. Livestream Q. and a happy hour this Friday at four PM Pacific. Time and I will be joined today by former state and federal prosecutor Hoenig to discuss the charges against all four officers in the floyd case and I will be speaking with counter into former director assistant director of the FBI for Counterintelligence Frankford Lucy about Bill Bar, ordering the DA to spy on protestors, oppressing its bananas, and it's flying under the radar. You need to hear about it as you could probably tell like I said by the Intro do have a hell of a lot of news to get to so let's hand it over to Jordan with hot notes. Hot Notes. Hey everybody welcome to Jordan's a block. Just GonNa call, defer now on making it easy for everybody Lot of stuff obviously. I'm going to get right into it. There's a few different headlines I'm going to cover today. Switching gears from covid headlines to protests headlines in what's going on around the world right now for justice for George Floyd. First Story I have coming of Minneapolis public schools. They announced Tuesday that their board voted unanimously on Tuesday night to end their contract with their cities police department. this is. Something that. Makes a huge difference and we'll get into that later, but it's. It's really really important and awesome that they did this. They had a one point one million dollar contract with them and terminating it because of the actions of law enforcement. After Floyd's death, they said that those actions quote ran directly counter to the values of the district and quote. That's according to buzzfeed. Minneapolis public schools aren't going to negotiate any further with the police department. This is a closed done deal. In two thousand eighteen. Government Accountability Office report. It was found that black students in K. twelve schools are disproportionately disciplined compared to other students of other races. There's another study from the advancement project. They're nonprofit. That focuses on racial justice issues that found police in schools is an issue of American racial disparity that requires deep structural change and quote that kind of change comes from schools and school boards. Divesting from police departments essentially and getting them out of their schools, their school board chair, Kim, Ellison told the Star Tribune that she values people education in life, and she said quote now I'm convinced. Based on the actions of the Minneapolis Police Department that we don't have the same values and quote. So this is really this. This is good news starting off the block with good news This is extra good news I'm sure many of you are familiar with this concept for those of you. That are not I have a quick video that Al Jazeera. I think it's stems from them. about this concept of the school to prison pipeline, and this is put really to saintly. saintly in this quick clip that I found in forgive this sort of upbeat production here. It's like kind of a perky voice talking in everything. Come off a bit tone. Deaf given the Times right now, so just forgive that, but there's good information in there. That's very quick about what school to prison pipeline is what it means, and the effects that it has so. Let's hear that. The school to prison pipeline it's a term that describes how American kids get pushed out of public schools, and into the juvenile and criminal justice systems, basically harsh zero tolerance, policies and schools have led to more suspensions expulsions, and even in school arrests, getting suspended or expelled means more time away from school, and it doesn't take an honor student to figure out. That's bad news in fact, expelled and And spend it. Students are more likely to get held back a grade. End Up in Juvie, or just drop out altogether and dropping out of high school makes you three times more likely to get arrested back in school. Forget about hallway monitors soons these days often to school police minor offenses that might have landed you in the principal's office back in the day can now actually lead to your. Students of color and those with disabilities are disproportionately affected. Black students get expelled three times more than their white classmates, while student with a disability is two times more likely to get out of school suspension than everyone else, and it's not because these kids are just bad apples. The Justice Department found that black student Scott Harsher punishments than their white peers for doing the same things. So maybe it's time. Our Education System got schooled. Clear school boards see if police occupy schools in your area, and if they do demand that they leave, I can't tell you like. How unnecessary it is for there to be a police presence. In schools in K twelve schools. You heard in that video, the same things that kids would get in trouble for and then be sent to the principal's Office for now they're getting sent to police and they're getting processed through the criminal justice system before they even turn eighteen years old. Essentially? Indoctrinate non does wrong where it did in. Bringing them into a system that is set up to keep people in the system. Cars Goertz. See if they do that. Demand that they don't. I think what's so important about what's happening right now is that we keep seeing you know. There's this issue of. Why now this has all been happening this entire time and it has, and that's true, and I think everybody has to deal with that issue in themselves of why now I do for sure. These are things that I care about very much. I wasn't working on them as much as I am right now. Admitting that sucks. Because the only thing that's changed. Between the day before George Floyd was murdered in the day after is that people took to the streets? Versus. Not As, many people taking to the streets, people have obtained the streets to I. Mean this. Is these protests happen, you know. Almost every time that a black person is murdered in these communities, but this was a straw that broke the camel's back. And now everybody is needing to confront this confronting. This means finding out what you can do, and a lot of research are being shared with what you can do, and I'm going to share an example of one that somebody pass along in San Diego. That's really really. Awesome and easy to do, but one of the other things you can do is doing stuff like this calling your school board, so just do it. That's an action item if you want to check out your school boards. Relationship with your police department and look into it yourself and start a petition, and this is. We know if any if we learn. One thing from this moment right now. It's that protests work and people. Power Works and petitions work. And we have the ears right now of leaders, and you need to capitalize on it so if you're able to check that out when it comes to that issue specifically and like I said I will give you an example of a really amazing document that's leader. Put together in San Diego for some other things. That you can do. Next story is coming from James in Miller. Who is somebody that worked under secretary of Defense Mark Esperer and redesigned June second, two thousand, twenty, I'm just GonNa read his letter in his entirety its entirety because it's. important to here so. Here is. Dear secretary expert. I resign for the Defense Science Board effective immediately when I joined the board in early two thousand fourteen after leaving government service as Undersecretary of defense for policy, I again sworn oath of office, one familiar to you that includes a commitment to support and defend the constitution of the United States, and to bear true faith and allegiance to the same you recited that same oath on July twenty third, two, thousand nineteen, when you were sworn in as secretary of Defense on Monday, June first two thousand twenty, I believe that you violated that oath. Law abiding protesters just outside the White House were dispersed using tear gas and rubber bullets now for the sake of safety. But to clear for a presidential photo, op, you then accompanied president trump in walking from the White House to Saint. John's Episcopal Church for that photo. President Trump's actions. Monday night violated his oath to take care that the laws be faithfully executed as well as the First Amendment right of the people peacefully to assemble. You may not have been able to stop president trump from directing this appalling use of force. But you could have chosen to oppose it instead. You visibly supported it. Anyone who takes oath of office must decide where he or she will draw the line. What are the things that they will refuse to do? Secretary Esper- you have served honorably for many years in active and reserve, military duty as secretary of the army, and now as secretary of Defense He must have thought long and hard about where that line should be drawn. I must now ask if last night's blatant violations do not cross the line for you. What will? Fortunately it appears there may be few if any lines that president trump is not willing to cross, so you will probably be faced with this terrible question again in the coming days. You may be asked to take or to direct the men and women serving in the US military to take actions that further undermine constitution and harm Americans. As a concerned citizen. And as a former senior defense official, who cares deeply about the military I urge you to consider closely both your future actions, and your future words, for example some could interpret literally your suggestion to the nation's governors, Monday, that they need to dominate the battlespace. That's a quote. Dominate the battlespace. I cannot believe that you see. The United States is a battlespace or that you believe our citizens must be. Be dominated such language sends an extremely dangerous signal. You have made life and death decisions in combat overseas soon you may be asked to make life and death decisions about using the military on American streets against Americans where will you draw the line? And when will you dry it i? Hope this letter of resignation will encourage you to again contemplate the obligations you undertook and your oath of office. As well as your obligations to the men and women in our military and other Americans, whose lives may be at stake. In the event that at least some other senior officials may be inclined to ask these questions after reading this letter I am making it. Public I wish you the best in very difficult times. The sanctity of the US Constitution in the lives of Americans may depend on your choices, sincerely James Miller. Esperer tried to come out He had a press conference and. He condemned. Trump's invoking the insurrection act. However, he defended the rubber bullets and tear gas. He said well, he said that reports that they were deployed weren't true. Correct me if I'm wrong. Those were the words that he said I don't know. What kind of like verbal. Gymnastics, he was doing to try to get out of being held or associated. With, that but He hit the bed right after doing this which was. Partying with trump. On his invoking of that insurrection act. He's not the only one that when against trump on that senate. Majority whip, John. Tune did that as well. That happened today on Wednesday. This happened after Espera came out saying that he opposed invoking the insurrection activating seven, and that's to deploy active military on American soil to quell protests. The majority whip said I think that these tasks are relegated as much as possible to the state and local authorities, the law, enforcement and police. You. Got National Guard in the states they can activate I know. There are instances in the past. They've had to call up active duty personnel, but I think the goal always is to de. Escalate not escalate, so my view is. That's the right call. And, he's right. That should be the goal to de-escalate, but obviously that is not the goal they want to escalate as shown by all of the things that people are doing. The police departments and sheriff's departments, and now federal departments are choosing to do to protesters around the country. I. Have a clip of what asper said. when he parted with trump, and because it's very historically significant I'm going to play it and I wonder if it's going to be the last time that we hear from this guy. Let's hear it out of the Pentagon the Secretary of Defense Mark, Esperer giving comments about the military's involvement in all this, let's listen in. The killing of George Floyd by Minneapolis. Policeman is a horrible crime. The officers on the scene that day should be held accountable for his murder. It is a tragedy that we've seen repeat itself too many times. With great sympathy. I want to extend the deepest condolences. To family and friends. Of. George Floyd from me and the department. Racism is real in America. And we must all do our very best to recognize it to confront it and to eradicate it. I've always been proud to be a member of an institution. The United States military. That embraces diversity and inclusion. And prohibits hate and discrimination in all forms. More often than not we have lead on these issues. And while we still have much to do on this front. Leaders across dod and the services take this responsibility seriously, and we are determined to make a difference. Every member this department has sworn an oath to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States of America. I've taken this many times. Beginning at the age of eighteen when I entered West Point. The rights that are embedded in this great document. Begin with the first, amendment. which guarantees the five freedoms of speech Religion Press, assembly and right to petition the government. The United States. Military is sworn to defend these and all other rights. and. We encourage Americans at all times to exercise them peacefully. Rights and freedoms that make our country so special. And it is these rights and freedoms. That American. Servicemembers are willing to fight and die for. At times, however, the United States. Military's asked in support of governors and law enforcement to help maintain law and order so that other Americans can exercise their rights free from violence against themselves or their property. That is what thousands of guardsmen are doing today in cities across America. Is Not something we seek to do. But it is our duty. And we do it with the utmost skill and professionalism. I was reminded of that Monday as I visited our national guardsmen who were on duty. Monday night, protecting our most hallowed grounds and monuments. I'm very proud of the men and women of the national, guard. Out on the streets today, performing this important task, and in many ways at the risk of their own welfare. I've always believed and continue to believe. That the National Guard is best suited for performing domestic support to civil authorities these situations. In support of local law enforcement. I, say this, not only a secretary of defense, but also as a former soldier. And a former member of the National Guard The option to use active duty forces in law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort. And only in the most urgent and dire of situations. We are not in one of those situations now. I. Do not support invoking the insurrection act. Last night. A story came out based on a background interview. I did earlier in the day. It focused on the events last Monday evening in Lafayette Park. And found to be inaccurate in parts. So I want to stay very clearly for all to hear my account of what happened that Monday afternoon. I did know. That following the president's remarks on Monday evening that many of us were going to join president, trump and review damage in Lafayette Park and at Saint John's Episcopal Church. What I was not aware of was exactly where we're going. When we when we arrived at the church, and what the plans were once, we got there. It was also my aim and general milley's to meet with, and thank the members of the national. Guard who were on duty that evening in the park. It is something. The president likes to do as well. The Path we talk to and from the Church didn't affords that opportunity, but I was able to spend a considerable amount of time with our guardsmen later that evening as I moved around the city. Too many of the locations at which they were posted. I also want to address a few other matters that have been raised about that evening. I. National Guard forces did not fire, rubber, bullets or tear gas into the crowd as reported. Second Guardsmen were instructed to wear helmets. And, personal protective equipment for their own protection. Not to serve as some form of intimidation. Third military leaders, including the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff, wearing uniforms, because that is appropriate, uniform working in a command center and meeting with troops in the streets. Fourth. It wasn't until yesterday afternoon that we determined. It was a national guard helicopter. Hovered low over a city block in DC. Within an hour or so of learning of this I directed the Secretary of the army to conduct an inquiry to determine what happened and why and report back to me. Now y'all been very generous with your time, so let me wrap up by stating again. How very proud I am of our men and women in uniform. The National Guard over the short span of several months has gone from tackling natural disasters such as floods to combat the coronavirus across the country to now dealing with civil unrest in support of law enforcement on the streets of America. All while many of their fellow guardsmen are deployed abroad defending against America's real adversaries. Most importantly I want to assure all of you and all Americans that the Department of Defense the armed services are uniform. Leaders are civilian leaders and I. Take seriously our oath to support and defend the constitution of the United States and safeguard those very rights contained in that document. We cherish so dearly. This is a tough time for our great country. These days, but we will get through it. My hope is that instead of the violence in the streets we will see peaceful demonstrations that honor George Floyd. That press per accountability for his murder? That move us to reflect about. Racism in America. And that serve as a call to action for us to come together. and to address this problem once and for all. This is the America your military represents. This is the America we aspire to be and this is the America. That we're committed to defending with our lives final. Sorry I'm going to be reporting on comes out of one of those tactics that we were just talking about. That is an escalation tactic had nothing else. so the DC protesters they had. been peacefully, protesting and curfew had fallen and DC National Guard is now asking for an investigation into the use of a helicopter in the city to disperse those crowds. That were protesting. It was a low flying helicopter. Basically, that was using the the wins like the be winds generated from the chopper to spur the people on the ground. There's videos of if you look it up. It's fucking crazy. It's like this. It's A. It's a helicopter phone inbetween building super low to the ground. Everybody's hair clothes. Everything is just like whipping around it. It's it's Super Gnarly, and not only that, but it was a craft that had red cross markings on it. Using its rotor wash as it's called. And So many things are fucked up about that. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Brooke. Davis a spokeswoman for the DC. National Guard told the hill this. Major General William J Walker. District Columbia National, guard commanding general has directed investigation into a June first low-flying maneuver conducted by one of our rotary aviation assets our highest priority. Is the safety of our citizens, soldiers and airmen who supports civil authorities as they perform their duties. This is our home, and we are dedicated to the safety and security of our fellow citizens of the district and their right to safely peacefully protest. Jeffrey. Former army lawyer and professor at South Texas College of Law in Houston said. This was a foolish move. The symbolic significance of the red. Cross is pervasive. It denotes a noncombatant function of the armed forces the. One hundred percents at us, and that's like that's the most fucked up one of the most fucked up things that's happening right now with this esscalation that's happening across the countries. You have all these people who are exercising their First Amendment Rights Ninety nine percent of them within the bounds of the law, and then you have these escalation tactics. You're just establishing distrust between the people that are supposed to that are saying. They're doing this to protect your rights. When any fucking idiot can so clearly see that that is not the case, then it is the opposite. Peaceful protesters are getting shot with tear gas, rubber, bullets and more getting kicked. They're getting. The Shit kicked out of them. Dude with like you've seen these videos of journalists. There's just like. There is those those Australian journalists for example. As the line of police was coming the guy, the police just fucking took a shield, and like rammed it into the chest of of cameramen, and like shoved. One of the women journalists in just it's just so much aggressive force that. Are Creating these images that will be burdened seared into the memory of Americans and people around the globe. Forever and it's GonNa. Be I can't trust these people that say there to protect me because they're not I'm here and they're not trying to protect me. That's not what they're doing. Sorry I'm running a long on this. A block I am going to finish up very quickly. with what I said I was going to do. which is an example of direct action that you can do in find in your city and I just thought the super cool My friend Kylie chance she's. She's like a really really awesome organizer in San Diego She reposted this from somebody, and essentially what it is a step by step guide to contact. Your Assembly People and make some demands that these are specific to California but just. Check it out in your communities and see. I guarantee that there's equal the equivalent of this in your areas, but I wanted to really quick. Just re read what an example of this looks like so this? This is a google doc that's created as his Hello San Diego whether you are someone who has been committed to the black lives matter, 'cause for a while or someone who wants to help a dozen. Quite know where to start. We want to help everyone come together to make a substantial change within San Diego County below our templates and simple instructions to reach out to your city council members county supervisors in state senators either via. via phone or email, regarding very real, logical and current legislative measures, we urge you to use your time and resources to make your voices heard for the black community, as we all stand frightened solidarity for the better of this city county, and around the world we are all upset by the ongoing violence against black people in America here are five things we'd like to see changed, and then what follows is five things to do and people to contact about those things I'll just read a quick example for the first one. I one is email your councilmember demanding to give San Diego's community, Review Board the. The power and mandate to independently investigate police actions, the city of San Diego has a Community Review Board on police practices, which reviews and evaluates officer involved shootings. All in custody deaths, all police actions that result in the death of a person, however, the CRV does not have independent investigation, investigative powers or the ability to prosecute officers instead overseas investigations at the Police Department conducts on itself and makes recommendations. You can call or write to your city council member, and tell them to give the CR the power and mandate to independently investigate police actions using templates below, and then he scroll down, and then it's got. Got The research to find out who your assemblyman is or woman, and then it's got the contact info for each of them, and then sorry council member, and then it's also got a template that you just copy paste into the email and that's that's action one and he do it in a super simple. You don't have to call. You can call any mail that'd be ideal but that that's a tangible. That's it very tangible thing. Some people are like Oh what is protesting. Do I hope by this point? You realize that it does something, but if you're someone that's more, you know direct Lee. Legislatively motivated these are perfect examples. It's it's such a great resource it goes on. For example. The next example is to. San Diego County has a citizens law. Enforcement Review Board which performs a similar function as a CR B but for the county sheriff. So then it's the same thing, but advocating to the sheriff's department to make that change to make it so that there's a independently investigative body that is overseeing these and seeing them through to justice. Outside of the police who have proved that they cannot do this themselves so. Look for local leaders. You know Agr says look for the helpers, and that's that's. That's such a great piece of advice. Hit Up your black. Don't actually they're inundated with emails. I would say try to not hit them up probably right now, 'cause they're. They're super busy. If you can find the information elsewhere, I would say hippie alum chapters up is like super last resort because i. sure you can find the information without going to them, but you can follow them on their instagram stories or just find community leaders that you know are involved in grassroots organizations and you know everybody's got. GOT THAT FRIEND? That's like man. You know I. Always remember them being really activism. I should hit them up. Hit Them Up. Be Like Hey, do you know of any direct actions right now? That are being organized, and people can take part in it me literally fifteen minutes to do like five of these things I I did the mall on my phone and it so much it's just copy and paste, and this is like real legislative demands that make sense, and they're doable there so doable and they would absolutely make difference so look around for that stuff when the protests of really. You know become smaller number eventually. This is the kind of work that has to keep. Going and this is the kind of work that. I am making a personal pledge to myself to not let just fall to the wayside like it has for. Pretty much most of America and a lot of good people and don't get down on yourself. Just. JUMP JUMP IN. You know like I'm I'm sitting here. Telling you I fucking fucked up by not doing this work. In this capacity. When it was happening before, and that's okay, and it's no reason to not be involved now. And do it and use your voice and use your power and fucking vote also keep doting to bail funds. Keep donating to get out the vote funds keep donating to any beal affiliated chapters in your area. There's so many different organizations working for justice. You can send your money to if you don't want to go out and protest and sorry this long. Okay, thank you, everybody, be safe. Ra. Thanks for those updates. Jordan we right back with headlines from under the radar. After this quick break, so stay with us. Everybody AG in this tasty, helping of the daily beans is brought to you by magic spoon. If you have been on one of our QNA happy hours on Fridays, you know how much I love this friggin cereal. 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All right everybody welcome back here is what is happening today under the radar. I will wrap Steve King. These super racist. Me was censured in Congress. I think that went through. but he has lost his primary bid for reelection in Iowa, so yeah, excellent news I could go over all the racist things he said in the past, but You. Just look them up. It's really bad. We've covered it several times here on the show. Because he just every time he opens his mouth. It's fucking disgusting and of course Biden wins Pennsylvania primary. You want every single county in Pennsylvania so biden go. Biden and Google is facing a five billion dollar lawsuit in the United States for tracking private Internet. Use you think? Think I'm joking when I do those express VPN commercials. I am fucking, not joking. This complaint says. Google cannot continue to engage in covert and authorized data collection from virtually every American with a computer or phone, so this class action suit accuses Google of illegally invading the privacy of millions of users by pervasively tracking our Internet use through browsers even when they're set in private mode. The suit was filed in federal court. In San Jose California. We'll keep you posted as the story unfolds that it needs to. And another large-scale study with over eight hundred subjects, eight, hundred and twenty, seven I think eight, hundred twenty one. People is finding out no evidence again of Hydroxy Cork. When is helpful in preventing covid nineteen, according to the New England, Journal of Medicine, Very Reputable Journal one hundred and seven of the eight hundred twenty one first responders that were part of the study that we're exposed to covid developed coverted and hydroxy chloroquine made no clinical meaningful impact between the Placebo Group and the hydroxy chloroquine group. The study concluded taking hydroxy chloroquine after being exposed to someone with Kobe nineteen does not protect someone from getting the disease. Trump is an idiot. I added that last part. And the man behind the herd immunity strategy in Sweden. That's hard to say. The herd immunity strategy in Sweden has the EMINEM should get on. That's good lyric. Has admitted though I don't know how well a rap song would. Do. About. Cove and Sweden's herd. Immunity Strategy Anyway. The Orchestra the Guy who decided that that was the way to go the epidemiologist in in Sweden. Who said this is the best way has admitted. He is a dumb ass. caused too many deaths. He would do it differently next time he would never do this again. A lot of trump supporters and people who are protesting having to wear a mask and having to stay at home when they wanna get haircuts and have the pedicures are crying about their right to not you know. I have a right to not wear a mask and businesses are saying you come in. If you have a mask on the all, you Sweden some kind of evidence, they prop up on this pedestal that herd immunity. It is the way and we should just let the virus wash over the population. It's the right choice. These are the dumb fucks who still send their kids over the kids houses who have chicken pox. It is not the right choice. Herd immunity is not the right choice. We've been saying this forever. And I just I wasn't me based on my expertise. I mean I. Do have a public health degree, but. I was listening to experts. Like McNeil Doug, McNeil and virologists, and and that whole email group of leading doctors in the government was called red, dawn, or the I don't know. That email group listening to those experts this. That's a stupid way. Let it wash over the country. That was trump's first. Away and now it's his way now because he didn't give a shit about it anymore Kobe off the radar. It's never been the way we were right where you're fucking masks day six feet apart. Stay home when you can. End This is amazing. Trump was pissy about America's reaction to him. Hiding in the White House bunker, he was so busy about it. Now. He's trying to convince us all. He was not hiding. He was taken down to the bunker to inspect it. During the riots during the uprising outside of the Outside of the Capitol. And I assume they were just testing the lights when they turned them off. Sure Buddy. That is the that is the LAMEST walk back I've ever heard you can't say hey. Look. In Times of crisis, the the the president and vice president needs to be secure. We can't. That's why we don't fly why he has air force to and I have air force when we can't be on the same plane same time. Etc. these are don't be stupid like he can't even do that. He his he's got such like. Sad Dick Energy, that he has to come up with a reason. To Go to the bunker for protection as President United States. What A fucking baby! also apparently. We, do have mail in voter fraud and its trump that does it because he tried to register to vote in Florida using an out of state address, the application for his registration listed the white. House says his legal residents but Florida. Law requires voters to be legal residents of Florida and a month later he resubmitted it using his Florida address and voted by mail in Florida's Republican primary his voter registration application was obtained by Washington Post and was filed with the wrong address during right around that same day, actually was the exact same day now that I look at it that he was making highly publicized moves to change his permanent residence for Manhattan Tomorrow Lago in New York anymore. So he moved his residence from Manhattan to Mar-a-lago the same day. He told Florida his residence was DC. Lying on voter registration for him is illegal with punishments, including fines and even prison time. We know that won't happen, but just another law throw another law on the fire. That happened, and finally trump had kushner pushed the national enquirer national enquirer owned by Pecker, very good friend of trump's. He's been on our fantasy indictment league on the Miller. She wrote podcast forever David Package, they extorted Bazo. By saying they would release dirty photos of him, and his mistress Lauren, Sanchez, and of course, as got out in front of it, put up medium article out. This is the same enquirer that probably blew up their non-prosecution agreement. in the Cohen you know stormy Daniels Payoff case catching kill that that that case they had a non prosecution agreement. We won't prosecute you if you if you cooperate with us and if you don't fuck crime anymore, no more crime ing, and then they extorted basis. Of course. We haven't heard anything from that. I'm sure bar just shoved it under the rug with everything else. That came out of that Muller report including the twelve redacted appendix, D cases that were referred to other agencies. But anyway that national enquirer, the one that that put out the big giant Shiny book about how awesome NBC and MB SR are. The! That that's the enquirer that we're talking about the one with the vault with all the dirt on trump for decades in it. The one where dirt went missing. From that safe. In the headquarters, yeah, them, so trump pushed Kushner to push them to probe the scarborough conspiracy theory, the one that Joe Scarborough murdered a former staffer, which of course is nonsense. This is another instance of trump lying, and then trying to force people to make his Li- real. He's doing it with the bar investigation into the Russia investigation. He did it with Ukraine. He did when when he forced spy agencies to to try to prove. Cova came from a lab in Wuhan after him and Bill Bar said they had enormous evidence that it did. Of course, the Democrats demand that ovens. It was never handed over and bar walked back his comments because it's not fucking true, but he tried to our intelligence community to go make it true. He also did this when he took a sharpie to a weather map. And now. AS HE FORCES BILL BAR TO MAKE THE DA spy on protestors to hopefully find evidence. To prove his Li- ANTIFA is responsible for the violence. So asking Kushner to tell the enquirer to make the scarborough conspiracy, true is not surprising. At all. It's just disgusting. So. Those are headlines from under the radar, and of course lead story today. Is that Minnesota Attorney General Keith. Ellison has superseded the third degree murder charge in the George Floyd case to second degree murder, and has charged the other three officers with aiding and abetting in second degree murder, and joining me today to discuss is former state and federal prosecutor and CNN legal analyst Ellie Hoenig. Ellie you and I spoke this weekend about that second degree murder charge, and how it was warranted, and that just happened today. Remind us why this is appropriate. Sure, so it's interesting because we were mostly right in that we called for a second degree murder charge and we said it's warranty what the Attorney General. Nathan is actually a bit creative and I mean that in a good way in that. There's two ways you can show. A second degree murder. You can prove a second degree murder under Minnesota Law one way we were talking about showing that it was an intentional, not premeditated, intentional killing and the second one. This is the route they talk is what's called felony murder meaning that if you're in the course of committing another felony by their a robbery. Or kidnapping and murder. Happens as part of that felony, then you are liable for the murder and here they've charged that the felony was assault. They sort of smartly lowered the bar for themselves, so they have to prove an intentional assault where motor excuse me where death resulted so they aren't going with intent on this I I That is fascinating because you're right. You and I were talking about this so intent but wow, okay, so felony murder, and that I I remember reading that in the second degree. Requirements to charge of second degree murder means you know if you're robbing a bank and you kill somebody that's. Felony murder second degree. Even if someone, you're doing it with kill somebody then you're still liable if you're if you're part of felony up, that is yeah. Wow, that is going to be a lot easier to prove and I know ellison here I mean the turnaround was? Obviously on one hand not fast enough on the other hand relatively quick. I'll talk about that in a minute, but we have received news is that the other three officers are being charged with aiding and abetting second degree murder. What can you tell us about aiding and abetting? Does it carry the same sentence? Yeah so aiding and abetting is is a very valuable food for prosecutors. We would charge in almost every case just as a sort of failsafe, and basically that, even if you do not commit a crime, your own cans or you know in this case. I guess you're on me. You are still liable. If you help aided and abetted, somebody else meaning helped aided counseled procured etc, the lawbooks go on and on, but it's basically like what you would teach a kid. Does something that you help. Your fault to now yet, the penalties are the same in some ways I think the case against the other officers will be harder than against Shogun in some ways easier. It'll be harder because you know. He's the obvious one who's doing all all the bad conduct on the video. It could be easy, though because in a way all you have to do. Do Show. They helped him in some wet, knowingly helped him in some way and so but look own. These charges are going to be tricky and attorney general they the point of saying that at his press conference he said none of this easy and these right. I mean I've been through enough trials to know anyone who tells you a a trial. You know going to be easy and GONNA come out one way or the other hasn't done enough trials. Yeah, and he had to cross every t and dot every I because Ellison knows he has to have an airtight case here. At least the best one possible, because this is a white cop and he knows justice isn't applied equally under the law to white cops. Oh, I mean I think it's safe to say any delay in charges. Here was a direct result of systematic racism. He also. Also knows that that the world is going to be watching this this case like none other, and I will say I mean. We need to keep this in perspective. Ellison got this case what four five days ago something like that? The killing happened about nine days ago, but that is really quick turnaround on a on a murder charge that has some nuance particularly as the other officers I I don't think he should be faulted for for taking too long I know. There's this sort of You know you have this instinct where everybody wants to see things happen immediately, and I get that, but to take four or five days to put together. Murder Charges against four different people is is not unrealistic to me. It's not unreasonable to me. I think he was moving as he said and he said this a few days ago, gotTa get it right. He's got to get. Down, and if that takes three or four days, okay? And here we are, there's much more ahead. Yeah, I think the delays with Freemen, and then of course Floyd's family came to the governor, and said we want ellison to have it. And the N. handed that over, and we also have to remember nineteen ninety-two that uprising came when the officers in the Rodney King trial were acquitted. And not when not when they beat him, and so ellison has to ensure. That that everything is is done to the utmost degree of of Certainty in this and and I mean I. Don't Know How how how do you think he could? Well before we get to the impartial jury, that's my last question. I just wanted to say that this is interesting. I was talking to Brian, called. Who pointed out that a previous Minnesota Supreme? Court case actually found that third degree murder, which was the initial charge brought by Mike Freeman. Who is the Hennepin County Attorney? Third degree, murder or a depraved mind murder. Can't occur when the defendant's actions were focused on a specific person, and that's from St, v Barnes in two thousand and six, so a third degree charge could have failed in this case because Sh-, chauvel new floyd right so I. Mean Look. There's a lot of complexity to that, but there is a third degree murder charge. In this case, it charges count to against Showbiz. because. It's a fallback basically. That so the the jury will have really have three menu options so to speak when it comes to show them, they halt second-degree that we just discussed. We'll have the third degree sort of reckless endangerment. That's not the right term, but reckless mind with with out regard for human life, and also have a manslaughter charge so they can sort of choose any of those three and it's. It's a smart way to charge a. A case safer way to charge a case because it's not as if everything rides on getting the top charge, there is an outcome here. Where maybe doesn't find the second degree, but does find a third degree which is not not not the ideal scenario, but it's certainly better than just an acquittal, and we have to worry about the consequences of those kinds of things. How does ellison ensure an impartial jury in this case, oh boy. we'll to both out of both sides and the judge insurance impartial jury This is about as high profile as it gets. You're not going to be able to get a jury of twelve people who've not heard of this, and if someone hasn't heard of this, you're gonNA have to ask serious questions about where they've been living and where they're headed that the best you can do in high profile cases. You have to? You will bet your potential jurors. They will be asked. Have you heard about this? You have to assume they'll all say yes, when you say, have you formed any opinions? Have you preliminarily come to any opinion about this? These officers deal and both sides would be looking at that and if somebody says No. and you believe them as as a lawyer. He's picking a jury. Then you can see them one thing that they really need to. Both sides you make sure to look at the social media feeds for any potential jurors, and that is generally done now, and it's ethical, and it's accepted because so the nightmare scenarios you get a jury together and then you find that five. Five of them have been posting inflammatory things either way on instagram or twitter, whatever after the fact I mean, they should be asked during the process. Have you posted anything on social media or the Internet Because what the last thing you want is is is a verdict later overturned because there was some procedural problems. Yeah, you don't want what Roger Stone tried to do. With with the former the jury all right well. Thank you the perfect example. Yeah, yeah! I remember I, mean. Of course he didn't. He didn't get anywhere with that, but he tried. All right well, thank you very much. Former federal state prosecutor Ellie Hoenig CNN legal analyst I. Appreciate you coming back on because I know. We just talked about this the other day and we were both saying. This needs to be second or first degree murder so I. Had to see these charges being superseded. It's the right move out. Glad to be with you anytime agent I. write everybody. Stick around right after this. 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What is he doing well I we need a whole lot of more detail, and we should be demanding a whole lot more detail on what this means, and Congress should be demanding a whole lot more detail so i. The authority of federal law enforcement agencies comes from two places. It either comes from law. The the Congress or it comes through executive. Order the president. This gray area is the temper and what we're. Probably in here is the temporary assignment of. Additional authorities by the chief law enforcement officer the Attorney General. Over an agency that falls within his purview, namely the DA which falls under DOJ, but I have not heard legal scholars. On whether or not, this is valid or not, and I think the temporary status as you know, he's assigned this to say. Oh, fourteen days of being everything to all people and I think. He might be able to do that, but I'm I'm not certain. As we, as we look at the the spectrum of possibilities from extremely. Dangerous on one end to innocuous and helpful to the moment on the other end. We we have to assess this. By what we know and what we know is. We've taken the Drug Enforcement Administration. They relatively small agency with a very narrow mission. To to look at a handful of drug violations. That's their mission and they're. They're good at it. I'm and we've taken them in the middle of OPIOID epidemic drug epidemic during a time. If you'll recall a few weeks ago where the president put Navy, warships into our seas, because we were quote unquote being. Invaded by drug cartels who trying to seize the moment during the coronavirus? And we've taken that Drug Enforcement Agency. We said you know what. You have a handful of criminal violations right now, but we're GONNA. Make you the Super Law. Enforcement Agency, you have any authorities you need to monitor surveilled protesters and investigate crimes arising out of the protest well first of all. If you WANNA talk about one of the poorest written communication I've ever seen. throwing. The Sentence Monitor surveilled protesters. That that there's there's no violation in protesting an exercising your free speech right, so we need clarification on his now. Let's move toward the so it could be a helpful deployment of resources in a moment of crisis. To help the federal government take care of business with regard to dangerous. Violent rioters and organized groups. Let's that's on the happy end. Let's go to the dangerous end. Which is that the DA was handpicked possibly because a guy named Tim Shank is now the DA administrator? Well that could explain it and. It just I have it in my head, like over and over again when trump meant. When trump said he was going to activate bar, and I don't know if this is part of that. And I was going to ask why the DA. Tim Shea is now. We know Tim Shea was installed in the District of Columbia. US. Attorney's office after Jesse Liu was unceremoniously tricked out of leaving. And so now, and he is also put his name on the go. Easy on Roger Stone and let's dismissed Flynn case filings, so he does have a recent history of. Being weaponized or you know assisting the president in weaponising are institutions. Yeah, let's. Let's Understan- who Tim Shea is just recap very nicely. He's asked for the sentence recommendation for Roger Stone and he's. He filed personally appears. You filed the motion to dismiss the charges. On Flynn, he was at the DC US attorneys office for the time. It takes to have a cup of coffee. And then he filed the motion to dismiss Flan, and he came over, and was named administrator, and Lo and behold. We have essentially a lackey of functionary willing to accept any mission. On behalf of bar and the mission here on A. Theory side. would be that we now have a small agency headed by a functionary, a lackey that could if we're not careful, turn into. An agency spies on Americans during time where most protesters are simply trying to exercise their first amendment rights. I have to tell you without trying to sound conspiratorial. This is a page out of a dictators playbook the notion that you would have a small secret Qadri of federal, spies. To spy on those who present a threat to you should be chilling to most Americans and that's that's again the reason. I wanted to bring you on today this you know we've got so much. We're just being bombarded with so much news right now, and it's all very important news. and I just wanted to make sure this one didn't go by the wayside and. Speaking of you know tin foil hats, I mean this reminds me of the May twenty-first. New York Times story reporting trump was pushing spy agencies are intelligence community find ties between cove and the Wuhan Lab. This is another instance of trump lying off the cuff, and then pushing our institutions to sort of force it to be true so that he you know here's a guy who takes sharpies to know a maps to to make his mistake seem correct who won't correct himself? On the two thousand, seventeen or two thousand eighteen flu, pandemic mistake, trump and bar lied recently saying they have evidence. ANTIFA was responsible for the violence during the protests, and now it seems like they're weaponized intelligence community to make that live real. In. The face of the FBI just concluding, there's no evidence of that. So can talk to me about a minute for a minute about that conclusion. And also the utilization of the intelligence community to make his reelection lives. Real so I I think it's very important to put in proper context. The leaked report that buzzfeed got their hands on with regard to the FBI finding no evidence of Antiga in the protests. It's very important to say two things one. That memo came out of the Washington field office, so it applies only to their area of responsibility. So that's important. Although I think it's significant because if you were going to see. An element of ANTIFA you would likely most see it in the DC area, but nonetheless let's let's put in context number two. The sources I have in federal law. Enforcement told me that they are seeing a full host of. Diverse. Organized groups. Within the protest movement from the far left and the global anarchist for example. Some think they're seeing people either real or pretend. To Be Antifa, and then clearly they are seeing far-right to include taking long guns off of known members of the bigalow boys. Finding railroad spikes secreted along protest routes in the Detroit area, which is a hallmark of the global anarchists. Social people who monitor. The private social media council the far right hate groups are seeing. Evidence that they are present in the in the protests as well so this is an equal opportunity. Exploitation of an otherwise valid protests. and. We should all be concerned about that, but I also have to say gee. Let's be very very careful to not get caught up in what I call the trump narrative which is. Oh my God. The Sky is falling under attack from sophisticated organized groups and the only solution to is a military solution. The problem with that is, it's not true. The vast majority of the looters, the property damage jurors. The rioters are opportunistic criminals. That's what every law enforcement source I talked to is telling me that sometimes a guy throwing a brick through window is just a guy throwing a brick through window. And somebody going into a department store and taking close out is just sometimes a thief, so let's let's not get caught up in the. We have to have active duty military on the streets of our city acting things police officers. And Marcus per actually a broke with trump today, saying he didn't think that that was some way to go, and also I think. Republican majority whip tune also said that Thune few. so yeah, we. We definitely don't want to get caught of an interesting point. You bring about this just the DC, field office or The Washington field office, talking about the no antiga protesters just in the DC area. So it's not a, they're not commenting nationally, but you're right. It's so important because if he if if this administration was going to try to blame far left. Specific groups that he wants to. Terrorist Organizations on the violence. You know he could use that to justify gassing and shooting rubber bullets into the crowd in Lafayette Park or You know why he had to go quote unquote inspect his bunker. Because what was happening in the DC area, because he did mention that in that Rose Garden speech that I protect the capital. I will protect the capital with you know, and so that's sort of where the the focus is Mike. My concern is that if you if you take him his rhetoric seriously and we never know whether to or not, but I think we have a track record of his rhetoric providing a clue as to where he's headed. I'm concerned that that the use of the military and Lafayette Park and in DC is a trial run. They be a trial balloon for what he hopes to see across the nation, and his call with the governor's recently, where he imported them to US troops and request troops, and in his own Rose Garden press conference where he said he'd send troops in no matter what. Very dangerous and seems to be hell bent on a military solution why it puts him in charge. He's the commander in chief. He can tell them what to do. Likely bothers him to no end that he cannot tell the governor's to yeah, which is odd because his argument for covid is the opposite I. We aren't. We aren't in charge. The governors have this responsibility. It's me and I shouldn't have to do that I take no responsibility yet here. He wants to control the narrative on this, and that's just all to me all about reelection, especially with his quote, unquote, law and order claims that he seems to think this country has forgotten what that really means. Let's. Let's remember that this this whole narrative I'm the law and Order Guy and Democrats are the rioters and looters people. This doesn't ring true. We're talking about a guy who's. Just completely thumbed. His nose at the law turned the Justice Department upside down. And, and now is pretending to be someone who actually is on the side of law and justice, and his cohort, his guy riding shotgun for him the Attorney General of the United States. actually scares me more than the president does because he's truly hijacked the concept of the Justice Department. And the fact, the story's playing out now. In various respectable news outlets that turn general was the one giving orders in Lafayette Park the other day. That's just just trouble all of us. Yeah, and you're right. It's one thing we've had. We've had attorneys general in the past. It didn't do the best job, but at least they sh-. They sucked independently of the of the executive branch and now they're just connected at the HIP. It's it's dangerous and this this activation of bill bar and the utilization of the Drug Enforcement Agency to surveilled protesters. I think is just another Straw kneecap of authoritarianism. Authoritarianism like you said well, there are reports. The rank and file agents are are actually extremely concerned about where where this is going. It's not simply a diversion of mission it is. It could be per version of of the constitutional rights of Americans. We don't know where this is going and I'll be very honest with you. All the DA's extremely adept at international drug investigations. I don't know what they like on. In terms of investigating organized protest movement, but let's be an I've just fallen into a trap myself, which is I keep using the word organized? The ANTIFA the ANTIFA. Movement is not organized. There's NO ANTI FA headquarters. There's no CEO and president of Antifa the other day when the president tweeted, I am declaring ANTIFA domestic terrorism organization. They're not an organization, and by the way he has no awful authority or nor process in place to declare a domestic outfit a terror organization. We don't do that yet. We don't even have a domestic terrorism law. Most Americans don't know that there is no federal domestic terrorism law books. There is for international terrorism, but there is not for domestic so, and that could be a whole other discussion that we have, but he's faking it when he says he's declaring ANTIFA terror organization. He doesn't like. Like them. They don't like him, and and that's not what this is about. Yeah, yeah, and we know that it's not. There's no such thing as a domestic terror organization legally because we've been asking for one because of the rise in in white supremacists, white supremacist groups, Boulou Boys, etc, that would we see in something like a four hundred ninety five percent increase in two thousand seventeen, and so we've been asking for that, and then here. He gives it in where it doesn't exist so. Yeah yeah and it harms. Here's the thing I'm twenty five year. Law Enforcement veteran. What I get concerned about here with this kind of politicization of a crisis is. Is what it does to law enforcement. When I talked to folks law enforcement right now they are nervous, not about their capability to handle this threat, but rather their capability to handle the White House because if if they if they round up the baddest actors on the streets right now. And even tried to apply federal charges to them, which is a challenge and they happen to say oh. Good News we've we've found about as actors. And the Attorney General says with. Other there, right wing hate groups. Oh that doesn't fit the narrative and so I get I get really troubled by whether or not. We're GONNA see constraints. Put on enforcement enforcement to simply do their job. Yeah, YEA, same. That's got to be tough and I know all thousands and thousands of men women frontline career professionals who work not just in law enforcement, but in the intelligence community. And the Department of Justice are all I think. Between a rock and a hard place so but I'm glad I got to see this. Kind of because where I come from my old agency, thank. God is not the agency designated by Bill. BAR TO SPY ON AMERICANS Because and I want I my my gut tells me that maybe bar either tried that with Chris Wray the FBI director in Chris Wray told them what he can do that idea. I think that's what I think. Four or even better, Bill Bar knew full well, not even present that silliness to the FBI director, and he went right to Tim Shea who he could order to do anything right because we he might, he might like. Ray Ray said known then. We know where what's going to happen to ray so right, so why force the issue? Yeah, I don't want to get my buddy in trouble all right well, thank you. former assistant director of the FBI for Counterintelligence Frank Figliuzzi Frank. Thanks for speaking with us today. You as well and everybody stay with US coming up next. We have the good news block and you don't WanNa. Miss, it, says stick around. Here aging. Let me tell you about the most useful APP on my phone. Sometimes when you're busy, it's hard to find the time to sit down to read for pleasure or work on personal development, and there's now an incredible APP that solves this problem I highly recommend it. It's called blinking blinking is really unique. 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It's time for the good news. And joining me today for the good news block is Amanda Reader Amanda. How are you today doing? Okay G., how are you? I'm good. It's a it's A. It's a more uplifting day too damn feeling better and I think we have a lot of good news. We've got I. Know We've got a lot of listener. Good News, so I'm looking forward to hearing it. I have an interesting good news. Slash Schadenfreude to E. WE won't do the general for it. It's not total shot and Freud, but it's it borderlines on it all right. Hit Me with it. Just coming across my desk right now. Judge Mattis has trounced trump describing him as a threat to the constitution, says Donald. Trump is the first president in my lifetime does not try to unite. The American people does not even pretend. Pretend to try instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of his deliberate effort we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him on the strengths, inherent in our civil society is will not be easy in the past few days have shown, but we to our fellow citizens to pass generations that blood to defend our promise and to our children. While me so moderate dog mattis is. Finally, speaking out a little late could use this last year. Mad Dog. Where was that spirit before the whole world was on fire. It's like that thing from the wedding singer where he's like again information that would have been useful yes. Wealth welcome to the fight White Guy. Yeah Right Oh congratulations. He's joined us. He's truly moderate dog mattis now. Anyway. That's. Good News and of course we have the upgrade. We've gone over this with Elliott. Hoenig earlier, we have the upgrade of the third degree murder charge to second degree. Any other three officers have been charged, and if convicted, we'll go to jail as long as the same amount of time as the the murderer himself. And? I mean there's a lot of cool nuances in this case, ellison isn't trying to prove intent for second degree murder. He's just trying to prove A. Proof felony murder, which is way easier A murder was committed while another crime was being committed in the you know in the you know in the while another car and was going on in that other crime was assault, so they just need to approve assault, and that he died because of what happened and I think that that that has a better chance of the third degree murder charge because. They're some state Supreme Court. Case in Minnesota that says you can't commit third degree murder against somebody you know depraved. Mind has to be somebody that you. Don't know apparently so. Anyway what good news do we have of our listeners? We have it's a great good news day I'm so thrilled. Thank you so much for everyone for sending in your good news. Keep coming on, let's let's kick it off here with one from Nicole. Nicole says in an effort to spend time together as a family. I have started playing a table top RPG with my parents and my sister. Sister Zoom we are spread out across the country and won't be seeing each other for a long time. My sister and I are in our late thirties early forties, and just started playing Dean D. in the past few years. My parents are in their seventies and have never played an RPG before We're playing a game set in the nineteen thirties where they get to fight Nazis and dinosaurs. I never thought my parents would be into something like this, but honestly we've been having a blast. They put so much time and thought into their characters and are doing an amazing job of playing. We found a way to create some amazing memories despite being locked up so far away from each other. That is so great we do our. We do our D. and D. remotely to and kids on bikes and call a Catholic. So that's so great I'm so glad that you're you've got that going on. How Wonderful Evan playing I've been playing like fun. Party games on using an APP called a house party and a like hanging out my sisters, and my mom and stuff, and you know like it really does help I know we're all fatigued video calls, but It does help. All right, the next one is from Sean Oh interesting interesting Trivia for you, yeah! My millennial cohort. Yes, House House Party was a movie starring Kid and play, and that's the second movie in that series was the Pajama jam-e-jam, which is where we got our second week. THEME FOR OUR QNA. Oh, I did not know that. Thank you for the information. Okay. This is from Sean Sean says. In case you didn't know. Ferguson has just elected a black woman as mayor finally and then. I have a little excerpt from an article. Here says L. Jones. Did you cover this already in the episode I? nope haven't covered it yet. All Right? We just covered we only the only election. We covered the Pennsylvania primary that Biden won every county. And then we also talked about racist. Steve King losing his primary in Iowa. Yes, fuck yes. Catholic and hate that Guy I've really needed that the guy who wanted like like pokey spikes coming out of the border wall and and like A. Murder Hornet Moat around the country like that guy is to such a fucking piece of shit. I'm so glad he lost, but tell me about. Tell me about the new mayor of Ferguson. He's honestly barbaric. Oh okay so the new mayor Ferguson. Ella Jones She's been on the Ferguson City Council since twenty fifteen, and she was elected to become mayor of Ferguson on Tuesday night, becoming its first black mayor in history as well as the first one one ever to serve in the role. She defeated her opponent winning fifty four percent of the vote. Ferguson is a city where nearly seventy percent of residents are black. When asked what her win represented? She responded one word inclusion. Oak Cry? Yeah. I love that so In case. You didn't know that that happened this week. In the midst of all of these protests in this moment, I think it couldn't have been better. Timed so congratulations to L. A. Jones and Ferguson I hope that she brings in some much needed change because there should absolutely be of lack mayor of a city, which is seventy percent black. It she's the first. That's stunning. It's stunning, not surprising yet, not surprising it's it just indicative of systematic exclusion of people of Color This one is from from fuck. Trump very aptly named good news story. It says when I saw Hashtag. White lives matter trending on twitter yesterday. I felt uneasy. I still decided to click on it to see what what the hell was going on, and you know, stay informed and believe it or not. Every post was K. pop related everything all Kapot memes I. Just burst out laughing best troll. Move this week. Bravo also white supremacist can go fuck themselves. Yes always. Okay. This next one is really nice. In case you didn't know. It is pride month, even though it doesn't feel much like pride, month and I really. I can't tell you how important it is for white. People in White Gay people and Other white. Folks lgbt spectrum to please center and the stories of black and Brown people this month. This is their fucking month, so please do that anyway. Onto the good news story This is from Josh and Josh says. Ag Jordan and Mandy I have listened to Muller. She wrote and the daily being since the very beginning, and you have all kept me sane, and I appreciate it so much more than words can say. Growing up in a very conservative house and being gay I was told that I would never find love because of the choices that I made choices quote unquote. During my twenties this led to a deep shame spiral where I worked dead end jobs and couldn't find my niche in life fast forward a few years here, I am thirty four I will be celebrating my first anniversary with my husband on the fifteenth. We own a home where we get to take care of our awesome hot dogs. I'm currently in school fulltime for accounting and. And Got Straight as for the first time in my life, absolutely none of that would be possible without my husband working so hard to make sure I have a homemade dinner almost every night. The house cleaned and our pod. Dogs happy, so thank you, Andy for being the best person I've ever met and I can't wait to see what the future has in store for us. happy pride, guys. Help, you pride. Next year next year, and if you're out there and absolutely, while also pride isn't energy you know this month. Pride is is back to its roots The first pride was a riot. You guys so just remember that and if you're out there and you're gay, parents do not love you. There are people out there. Who Will Love You I? Love you so I'm feeling of pride feelings today anyway. All right this next one is from New Zealand and you know I think we might need to have a rule that no more good news stories from New Zealand for a while because it makes us look bad. All of the good news stories from New Zealand. Yeah, we get it, you got. Although, although we don't really need new, Zealand to make us look bad. On us. From Cindy, she says the New Zealand government has just made all sanitary products free for girls at school. How cool is that? Period? Poverty Means Ninety Thousand New Zealand Girls Miss out on a full education because of it, I'm very proud that our fabulous minister for women the Green. Party's Julie. Gender I believe. That's say it has managed to get this policy through. That is amazing. Congratulations, yes. YEP MAKING US look bad. That's you should be their slogan. New Zealand making America look bad. Making everyone look bad? Really. I mean the thing is they went above, and beyond because a lot of Canadians before the whole. Let's be real look before the whole black-faced thing a lot, of Canadians, or like just introduced so amazing, the New Zealand go above and beyond, and not only have someone even more progressive than him, but also she's a woman like hats off to New Zealand. All right the next one is from Oh, and she says I believe to shape good news for women's rights for women's right to abortion in Kentucky, the court has sided with women rather than the state regarding decisions about termination of a pregnancy, and then I pulled this little excerpt here from article, and it says the six. Sorry, let me Redo that the sixth circuit in Kentucky refused to reinstate a law that would require physicians to perform a soccer call fetal demise procedure, the forest, Standard Second Trimester abortion ruling that the law imposes a significant burden on women seeking abortions. A what procedure. Basically I'm not sure what a fetal demise procedure is, but I'm assuming it was. I'm not sure what it is it's. Is that some sort of like a thing where they have to show you pictures and make you feel Shitty or Give you an additional pelvic exam. something. I'm looking into it here, didn't. WHAT FETAL OKAY HERE WE GO! Feel demise procedures are not by. Definition alternative. let's see here. Turn to. I'm trying to figure out what that stands for. WHAT THAT MEANS! Yeah I'm not exactly sure, but I'm GONNA assume some bullshit thing that made it harder to get an abortion and we will circle back to this. You like I must've known now. Induced fetal demise. Refers to the injection of pharmacologic agent into a fetus Oh. Okay so they want to. euthanize the fetus before it's boarded. Okay! Okay so I guess so it doesn't because. Right because they believe that that life begins, it has feelings right, okay? Well Wow Holy Shit I. You know I have been. I've been protesting a lot of shit for a long time, and I never heard of this one. I have never heard of that well. FUCKING CONGRATS Kentucky for striking that down because I also had never heard of that and. This goes to show you even for someone who tries to be tuned in like I am. There's so much that I don't know and there's always so much to learn so. They setting good news story Mo All right this next one is from Maura and where says. A one hundred fifteen year old confederate monument monument in Birmingham Alabama was taken down on Monday by the mayor. Birmingham the city will have to pay a twenty five thousand dollar fee, but the mayor felt it would be worth it to help. Stop the looting. There have also been confederate monuments coming down this week in Montgomery Alabama Alexandria, Virginia, in Tampa Florida. This is a moment. This is a fucking moment. I love that. All right does next one non Nana. Anonymous says I love adult coloring books same I. Also Love Adult Coloring Books, so anyone's to send some to us. Please feel free, and I found out that you can get ones where you have where they have cards. You can color and mail. I've been spending wonderful hours coloring cards and envelopes, and sending them to friends challenge challenging them to send cards to their friends, and by postage stamps to support the postal service this way I get to get any friends and support the post office. I'M GONNA. Do that I want to color pictures and some to my friends with love notes on them. That's nice. Yeah, that is, that is great, and if you haven't checked out the fuck, trump adult coloring book, it's Great. You should check that one out and of course We have a listener. Gail creates. These amazing! she calls them doodles, but it's art and I guess doodles can be art that that are also like meant to me for coloring love that we just have two more good news stories, not the through those. From. Lana Lana says I have been informed listener for the past two years of your podcast and really paid attention when you all sounded the alarm back in January about covid nineteen I prepped, and felt a little crazy, encouraging friends and family to prepare and distance, and being very careful in March I still seeing various community members being exposed from pharmacies yard staff to a central grocery employees. I witnessed a women at the grocery store with a coffee filter scotch tape to her face. I also pulled may eighty one year old out of living to live with us. As the center had twelve numb cases. We have been self quarantine since we brought her here so far we are all covered free unhealthy, but I needed something to keep my mind busy and be a helper. I learned how to so when I was a kid, so I started showing very basic BANDANNA masks. My husband calls them Lanta Bandannas. I use cloth Napkins because her name's Alannah. Dana's a use cloth napkins and bands which require no cutting and fabric hair ties. After after several prototypes, the simpler the better the work sorry, the simpler, the better work and I can make many many many a day I. Think I have made about four hundred so far we have given them out. Oh, yeah, We have given them out for free to the local domestic violence and food shelter safely, employees landscapers, treatment centers complete strangers. I truly believe that we're. We're in this together you three ladies have saved my soul, and my sanity supplies keeps swearing and venting and speaking the truth. Okay deal, yeah. Fuck Ya thank you. Lana. Awesome, giving out all those masks for free because you know it's. It's some people just can't afford them or they. They require more, or they need some for their friends and family so like if you have the resources to give out masks for free that you've made, that's amazing. Thank you so much. This this is our last good news story for the day, and the from rain and remain linked to an article on twitter, and said Hey, you should share this good news story, and it's a link to an article in the Guardian about how America is is using a lot of renewable sources right now, so solar wind and other renewable energy sources have topped coal in energy generation in the US for the first time in over one hundred and thirty years. With the pandemic accelerating and decline in coal that had profound implications for the climate crisis, not since would was the main source of American energy in the nineteenth century, has a renewable resource been more heavily used than coal Yet and And it says a this means that renewable surpassed coal for the first time since at least eighteen eighty five a year when Mark Twain published the adventures of Huckleberry Finn and America's for skyscraper was erected in Chicago Wow Yeah see I believe that there is always going to be a balance in the universe and you know. The Earth is going to do what it needs to do and I feel around this one also just a final note on this story, though I wanna I wanna like. It's funny. I grew up. In, a very lake, working class, family and I have had close family members who have worked in oil fields and stuff and have helped to generate fossil fuels at different points, not because they believe in that, but because they do it for the money. And it says here that. The collapse of coal right now is accelerating poverty in places like West Virginia, and throughout the Appalachia region and so. You know this was always going to be a really painful transition for an area like that. That's already suffering and so just hope that the people of those areas which have relied on jobs in non-renewable sources. are able to create something new and better, and you know rise to the moment somehow. I. Really I'm sending so many good feelings to those places, because so many people who work in non renewable energy sources. They don't do it because they don't believe climate change. They do it to feed their families, so yeah I'm just sending out love love to those folks. You know one hundred percent, and if we had an administration that gave a shit about you. You know That's why we need to vote. We need those training programs. We need to retool things. We need to get people back to work on renewables. And in an infrastructure, and the Republicans aren't going to spend any money on the working class. There's just there's just not going to. Green deal. Yeah well. I well you know. Biden is put in charge I. Know I love that so that that makes me feel good in terms of some strategy that might come out of Biden presidency on climate, so and yeah and John. Kerry is going to be helping her out because he you know. He's the architect of the Paris accord so. So. That's the good news got for today. Excellent everybody. Thanks for sending in that good news. Yes, we need it. I hope. Everyone's feeling a little bit of. Hope today. With everything that's happening. It's conversations obviously need to continue. But I still do have I do feel we're at a tipping point and I think trump is crumbling and I think we might finally address the systematic racism that has plagued. Our nation are are are. ARE FATAL SINS that we've committed that that we just I. You know it has to be rectified. And I think the reckoning. I think is coming I'm I'm hopeful especially with the wave of young people that are going to be coming up and taken control of every taking charge of voting and and becoming our new leaders. I'm I have a lot of hope have a lot of hope. So thanking those in. And Andy. Thanks for for read them, and do you have any final thoughts? I do not happy pride by the way Oh. Yes, yes, sorry I exercise to lie. I meditated a lot today, so I hope you all enjoyed my burst of very. introspective philosophical feelings today on everything everyone. I do I always do. And, everyone, please take care of yourself. Take care of each other take care of your mental health and take care of the planet. I've been gee. I've been reader and the beans. 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The Challenge | Everything You Need To Know

Rob Has a Podcast

1:18:16 hr | 5 months ago

The Challenge | Everything You Need To Know

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Double agents is premiering this wednesday night at mtv with a lot of familiar faces so we have brought in our own familiar faces who have been covering the challenge for our age since way back in twenty fourteen six years running They are not double agents. They are here to help us. Make sense of the challenge because there's going to be a lot of new eyeballs on this challenge with familiar faces from big brother and survivor. Taking part in all the action will welcome in the co host of the challenge. Wrap up of i. Of course you know her from and not only the challenge but also the brand new new girl old guy podcasts. Here's your new favorite podcast. Yes listener tall. My work so appreciate i would not say i'm episode by listener. But definitely dab all the data. I i am happy talking to europe. It feels like it's been a little while Fortunately you guys have to see my tired face on the streaming. And we're doing. I apologize for that. But i'm excited. Yeah we've been we've been covering the challenge since before it was cool challenge. I had a real resurgence since been new. We been new. We've been here working to continue to be here. And let's bring in the man who not only knows everything about the challenge but also Those price points of any undergarment that you might throw at him please welcome great bryant cohen. You know a lot of people said twenty twenty. It's a bad year but this is the second time i'm doing a podcast with rob. So how bad could it possibly be the world. Lots is brian's game gus. Okay various brian. How have you been. I've been good i got. I haven't no new podcast from me. I don't branch out into. He knew what i know. This is this is. Why are you considering any new podcast brian. You know. I like this. This stick to twitter. You know i to watch the new show. So i watched one tree hill. And i'm sticking to my twitter. Feed the the focus on launching new. Are you tweeting. Extensively aback hill or bullying. Because that's all you got on my feet of water. Yeah where else are you going to find that ven diagram. I'm unique i i. Is it nice to be asked how you are past. That's new frito other co host. I never remembered as brian. How he's doing from the expert. Now we know now. We know for the next several months okay. So that's that's out of the way so we're gonna talk about the challenge. Now that i am not a challenge guy. I am challenged in many ways. But i am not a challenge person but i want to be. I really wanna be been intimidated to get in that. The last season came on right during winters at war. I was all pumped up for it and then the timing was bad. Timing is good for me right now. Then we try with you before. Rob you've been. This isn't your first rodeo with us here and did it. Hasn't really taken. But i said this before but i'm not really here to to sway anyone you. The audience needs the challenge more than the challenging. The audience. like we've been here. The challenge is thriving and there's nothing else to watch so i feel pretty confident that you're going to get into it right away. And so well. A lot of people brian. What's been behind the surge for the challenge over the last couple of years where it is more popular than when you first started covering at least from my vantage point. Is it because of the challenge. Happe- podcasts yeah. I mean that's obviously the first thing that propelled it took a few years the now we're really no but i think the challenge over the last few seasons has done a really good job of expanding their university. May i maybe like five or six years ago really started to bring in people from not just like the real world bubble. Reach out to another. Mtv sharia the one and alex become kind of like this battle of the network stars type show where they're bringing people in from notches mtv shows but any show that basically is reality. Show the it's open for casting so they really brought in a lot of new fans that way of people that have their wanted to people that they love the right image. Oh they're on the challenge. I watch that and then make falmouth okay so that it has been a real place to go after big brother for many people. There's a lot of big brother faces that are here in this new challenge cast but the headliner at least from our vantage point of when we're talking about Survivors crossing over now. Of course just in j star is back for another round is that correct or base. No he was he was there last. Season made a good impression. And he's back again again but the headliner here is just coming off of a deep run in survivor winners at war. Our friend miss survivor natalie anderson. This is huge. We needed this. Just because honestly. I think rob when i've talked about survivor with you all right and like who should make the jump even before generally did that's always sort of like a fantasy question i mean. Roll the tape. I definitely had to said natalie but that's not like a hot take. I think people have been clamoring for natalie to make the jump ear It's a supernatural fit for her as a cross fit trainer as like an extremely big personality presence on survivor and physical threat. So i'm so excited to see natalie. O'brien is and it's it's not a hot take. Everyone is universally excited to see her. I mean when you saw her stuff where she had run up the mountain a thousand times. Like that's like you know. That's a very typical challenge. Type thing that they're going to do this season the way she killed that i mean that. Was you know if if people are already excited for her. This shot up even more. Brian has no commitment audio quality. Like we'll get a dog and care about podcasting. the humans and the canines are all pumped up or natalie. Anderson could be here. i don't see how she could lose their feels. She feels like the winner huge labels but it seems like do as over in the same boat. Here's the thing about the challenge. And i'm sure as soon as brian jokes like we don't know the rules that we truly john. I mean we can piece together a little bit what we know about the format but the format changes and even if we knew the format going in what's frustrating about the challenge. As a new viewer. I would say is that it will shift during the game at it. Seems like there are no rules so as a new viewer. I would recommend you shedding your concerns with the rules. Just take it as it is. They will shift in change. But what's great for natalie. Here is unlike survivor. were being unknown. Physical threat can hurt you. And you want to downplay. Even big brother is great in most formats and brian jumping here. This is wrong but it's great to be intimidating rookie. Because no one will want to go in against you and there are lot of depending on the format. There's a lot of situations where you're picking your persons call out in an elimination and just being a huge physical threat. Rookie woman giannis. Not on this season. But she's just a solid sh- wrong female competitor and she goes the distance because people don't wanna go in against her so like the best thing you can do on the challenges show up and be a physical looking threat and especially for now because you're not going to be someone that like piss people off that maybe they wanna get her out what she's like a very you know very likeable person. So she's going to have that going for her and we saw last year who is big physical threat as a rookie. But no one would ever want to go after him because they know it. You know the very likely chance. You're going to go home. So natalie is in a great spot but it's a lot of the times of john's is still based on these deep rooted friendships and bonds that people have shared for decades. Now for some these people so it's not as easy as analogy here. She's going to win. Because you do need some level of connection on friendship that i think she'll be able to develop but it's not gonna be as built. Dan has some other people already have. Let's just nail down in terms of familiar faces in the cast. All of the big brother people who were hearing this. You mentioned z. Fussy is back I see josh martinez. That he and also casey clark to big brother winners. Who had a close call with big brother. Twenty two ultimately do show up on tv here in twenty twenty year on the challenge. Yeah i mean that was pretty unclear where they pulled for covid or did. They declined to do the challenge. Yeah i on that case. He was great casey. This is the second season. She was on last season She had a l- very many quiet episodes. We do a drinking game monitored by our chief party officer cao card and i think brian submitted a role that like any time. Casey says something. That's not like explaining the rules of a game of a challenge than Because like she was saying nothing and then she sort of mixed it up with a little love triangle between her girlfriend and nominee. She broke away as a huge challenger and so she really made her mark. Slow start but in case he's gonna come in hot josh heart. I mean it's cold. It's cold to me. You don't like josh. Look here's the thing every season he's on the cast. I'm like oh my god but then it's like he does contribute e competes in a way that i wouldn't expect he's very smart on camera in terms of getting into fights with people so i think he's sort of necessary but i don't love to love him. Casey makeup of what's great about the show is that you need both of them. You need casey. Because she's like the straight man the competitor who's got a good chance to win any josh. Because he's the hot mess who's going to flame out in an elimination but he's going to provide like crazy drama and fighting. You need the into the end. You need both of them amongst app. Also here that amber bore so tra that was to go back and listen to. We did do a brother twenty two. I look at her if you want to look at her game here. She is She's here on this season so good for amber brazil. Try if you're in an over under alley coming into twenty twenty. How many times it was. I gonna say the word zotov this year you would have said. Probably one half is the over under teague under one. I'm fully in the under. I mean but what's great about amber. And i'm sure this was discussed ad nauseam wadden. She was rumored to be on. Big brother is like she got such a raw deal. On big brother mode cowboy like emerges the breakout star that sees it goes on the survivor amber. Boyzone trump goes the way of the. I dunno i was gonna say goes the way of the dinosaur. That's like eight years old but But mike i'm excited for her to get another shake on television. I don't know how long she's lasted. But what school. And i think what will get the big brother fans of people who are tuning in for the big brother. People excited is like there are and brian and i talked about this on the podcast. All the time like there are certain seasons where there are like three random rookies or not in the season who just get thrown in and they get thrown right out and what they need to sort of success successfully work in is a big crop of rookies to sort of look out for each other where the big dogs have to sort of make relationships with them. And that's what we have here. We have a big crop of big brother. People with survivor people worked in and then some randoms from other shows too like i really do. Think the rookies have a shot. Amber specifically she someone who's probably gonna get tossed in pretty early on ryan was the bigger head scratcher being amber brazil. Tra- here on the challenge. Or when we were gonna see. Amber abruzzo brought back for big brother. Twenty two. I thought i may grace. I know it's it's kinda surprising to see her in any form and it's always amazing like how does like the big brother. Qatar would make sense. Maybe she will come back here. But i don't know how she got. Awesome the midst of like all right. We need to pull another big brother. Let's go back there like that's a lot of other choices from more recent ambrosius like us. She's in the mix with some of the up. Paul for the not getting on the big brother season. It's okay also another big brother alumni each year lolo jones is back lolo. We got it olympia. And so she she was actually part of what i dub pros vs joes types new. Okay w i'm sorry. I'm so glad to hear. I climb on this podcast with that. So she was our those as we talk about this we. Brian brings us up and he's like. Oh what i decided. Okay she she's going to be very interesting coming in because obviously has an olympic athlete. He should be great but obviously from big brother. And you know the pros vs joes. The hotheadedness has got to be a big back there into her time. But it's amazing that they this caliber of person on on the show. It's the you know this. This is what the show's all about. Okay now for people who are listening to this. Who wanna maybe. I know we're joking around okay. We don't understand the rules but seriously. What are the rules alley like. How do you play the challenge. The every single season it really is different. And what's short frustrating to me and like the real challenge heads will know this but like they have. These names almost like on survivor. Where it's like you know a blood versus water season and you know what the rules are. The challenge has those but they're called the gauntlet the inferno free agents. And you're like well. What the hell is the difference between the gauntlet and then for those are really throwback names but like it's honestly hard for me to remember from season to season what the formatting things are basically what they do. It's sort of a hodgepodge there. They take what they like and they leave behind what they don't and they bring it into the next season and add new twists so for what we know this season double agents is sort of twist on free agents. Free agents was a great format where everybody was an individual. We don't need to get into it. Free agents was a lot of people will be like. what should we start with. I like free agents. i recommend it double agents. All we know. Is there sort of a loose attachment to free agents. Were aware that they're going to be running this impairs. So that's the other thing. Sometimes it will be too large teams half sort of like a survivor tribe. Sometimes it will be individual and they compete with different people each week. Sometimes there are paired season. We are under the impression that this is a paired season. E w exclusively revealed that the challenges will be partnered up. I'm quoting now. All season long. Those partnerships can slash will shift because players can steal partners or be stolen themselves so like a temptation island hopefully for lira and cam renown challenge couple. But i think what's going to be interesting here. Is they've tried to do this. A couple of seasons ago again. It could have been last season convene ten years ago. I'm really not sure. Cova coleman weird where there was an opportunity where a bunch of teams went in and only one man and one woman would come out so it was like a three way elimination and the idea was that even if the initial couple like if bride and i went in against haley namie and scally and kirsten and it would just be one woman and one man comes out. I'm doing a podcast with scally. Now like we survive but the same team came out. there was no switch. They've sort of dabbled with the parker which in the past but it didn't play. I'm very excited and really hope this doesn't fall flat and that people are really scheming in swapping partners. The other thing that we know for this sunday started last season brazil. Should we try this out for the. perhaps podcasts. Just a battle royale. And i really would like mix things up. This is the new recap idea. This is how you get the. What was it. The mass swinger or something. It's really about podcasts. Honestly after podcasting with akiva. I really appreciate my partner with brian. And don't want to talk about more than meanest thing. I've ever said about the high bar. I forgot to dig more into that later. But this is the only thing we know about. This is what they started. Lasy is where in order to make. Tj's final you have to win elimination and get what they call the red skull which is like a sticker on your helmet so you have to win and elimination gets the final previous as you can just kind of avoid eliminations let everyone else battle it out and you kind of make it. So they're bringing that back. This season where you have to win and elimination which really prevents people going under the radar exactly forces you at some point to take a stand against someone maybe a weaker person or team for the season so you gotta try to finagle that and the other kind of twist on the twist is it. Seems like there's going to be five or ten ten skulls maybe five teams. I guess have to make what we can only go to the final. So i guess after maybe the first week or so then all of a sudden people off the star going and again while the plays out. But that's what started last season. That is what they're bringing back up for. This and i really didn't work last season and again we complained about danette. We not just myself my myself and my partner my partner we. It was like there was no pay off because we thought they'd have to be an unlimited amount of skulls. And then you're gone if you didn't if you didn't time it right four of you are out sorry and instead they were just enough opportunities for everyone basically to get a school so i think they're really doing a good change now on the twist like for me. It failed but the fact that they are having a known. Limited amount will definitely improve the strategy the season and again. It's an example of. Why like someone like natalie or someone like nam who will talk about coming in as a big physical threat. Like who's gonna want to call natalie out for a skull absolutely not one so armee some of the things that people are really excited about for this particular challenge season so i think one of the biggest things maybe not excited is the right word but on the biggest things about this season is the fact that the biggest celebrity from this show. Johnny ban is is not on. This has been like he's the the face of the show. He's the person ever. So if you think of the challenge both people think of him and he's not on this season he won last season. And there's been talk. Maybe he'll never come back you. Yeah he hasn't really said he's tired and might be like a hint. The retirement bill will come back at some point but regardless he's not on this season and normally were blind people plan about about the house of that. It's very him. Focus of the story. Lines are bad him so a lot of people are fall by the wayside. So it'll be interesting to see without him this season. Who some of the new people a pop up to kind of. Take the spotlight on as the face of the gel. You know there's still wurley other faces. West is on this season to show. We'll get his airtime. But some of the new people could of rise to the top challenges like er where sometimes like the main lead leaves and then the focus of the show will shift to another person. Okay burn atlantic grey's anatomy. Which hospital showed you know. I think it's just like and this isn't the only time in anna's has never been on and west is certainly someone who is more interested in mixing it up with the rookie. Isn't playing a different game. Every time mostly out of necessity because he's like burned. Everyone whereas bananas plays sort of more loyal these are my people and we just moved to the end in mass I brian like in the hypothetical merch. You'll never have. I wouldn't say excited is pretty much the tagline for the challenger. Hap- up. I think people are excited about some old faces coming back who you know. The new folks might not recognize what i think will be quick to be excited. About when theresa and durrell durrell is for the the road rules. Real world fans durell has been around since the dawn of time and is like a classic staple great competitor personality very lovable by the audience. But he hasn't stayed around as long as like bananas and west and so he was last season thirty. Had sort of like an upsetting display. He's back i think. Just you hear durell as a challenge fan and you get excited. That he's back and theresa has been gone even longer. She's she laughed. She had two kids with like a professional athlete. I don't know who. Because i don't care only really care about theresa. She sort of had a different life and now she's coming back as a totally new player. Probably more estan like winning and the money that the drama. She's had relationships with west and leroy were. She's competed in partner. Seasons of the challenge with both west leroy. And so it's really exciting to get some new faces but old familiar faces and announced quoting the the the full house theme song. So i probably should stop. You miss your all your friends But so so. We have a great new crop. We've talked about but we also have a great like old guard coming through. So that's exciting. Okay should i pick somebody that. I do not know who they are to be my person the keep me invested in the season. Should i adopt one of these challenge. People maybe a rookie and a veteran. That i don't know from survivor and big brother. Should we talk more about these people know. Tell me maybe. I'll agree any graham. Yeah the issue with kicking people in the challenge is like so like last. The reason that jay has made a splash. And i almost feel a little conflicted about it is like j. Took out c. t. t. is one of the biggest names in challenge real world history. He's back and let me just say quote eric. He's looking real good real hot He looks good. Dad see is back and he's looked slim and trim and ready to go because people he got embarrassed last season he went up against jay early and limit nation trying to get an easy skull win and make quick work of him and jay took him out which is size wise wild for people. Don't know what. Jay and c t look like david and goliath story. Sure the aaron judge verse. Jose altuve picture. Of course everyone will understand Rbis thinking like a bag of flour and a toothpick. Is that moreland well. But like but but no. But i mean so j. I think is really gassed up by that. But like there's a real any given sunday hype deal with the challenge. Where at any time. Your favourite could go out. So i worry rav about you committing and hitching your wagon to just two people because they could be gone the first two weeks but i would love to be able to watch the show and say you know that's my guy that's my gal pitch leroy and cam to you. As a pair of people you might consider let me offer them for emission. So leeann camera really interesting. Pairing we one of key minions bananas being the guy who's not back anymore so leroy is really except that really cam is here in the spot of bananas. Cam is someone who has argued one. Who is one of the most successful crossovers the challenge. She goes by killa cam. Clean cam all-south given nicknames but they really fit in the trailer she says. Killa cam activated which is one of the most the coolest things you could possibly say and from. She is a monster strategist. She's a great competitor. She's really fun to watch. She is one of the best all around. We often talk about the maybe. This is a brian original the ito ven diagram between drama an athlete and the perfect challenger somewhere in the middle of. That's really cam and cameron. Leroy had sort of an on again off again story and they are so on friends. They're moving to texas together. They are like wife'd up husband like that. Why not is it schwanke. No roy you know. They're cool. They're the couple of you. Wanna be there like the wall. Their relationship goals day. Our relationship goals. Right here's why lear. Nobody wants to win a challenge. More than lear. I number challenges this for him brian. That's eighteen hundred and he never wins. He comes so close. He makes bone headed decisions. Or it's just. He misses the mark until like maybe cam helping him like finally what he needs to get to the finish and he has announced that. This is last season of the challenge. Another retirement. i'm on how. Do you wanna root for anyone out a more in on cam. So i could say that's a good. That's perfectly perfectly good reason. I give someone else to submit for consideration. Eighty took lever. Because he's he would be the top pick for me also for every kind of you. But i think it'd be funny if he does. I just went off just pure photos. And then we could revisit. You want to talk white. So i picked the to these photos. Be let me let me know if this is to be interesting gironde. Anyway you tell. Can you tell me a little bit about big t. That's great check so big teed had to lead. This is all you need to know about her. She had to leave last season because she cut open her. Big toe on t. Just happy coincidence that the bigger curto so no one really knows how she. It's become a great mystery. I feel like the shell all of a sudden she's just busted its own and leave very big underdog small but mighty not gonna win very very very very small chance. You'll actually win so be fun to for along the line. Everyone loves big t but she's not a competitor but everybody loves she's america's sweetheart but she's from the uk but she is america's sweetheart. What about mekki meech meanchey. One thing is we're not she at. Hi checks on the beach and you hear that his name as msci not e mec. Yeah all right well. We could take that up with him. Probably i think one thing to say big t. Because i doubt we're gonna talk about live here. I don't know anything about live. i do know that. Big t and live on their show. You know the u. k. classic shipwrecked that they had drama. So we'll see if anything happens with big t there for big on the beach fan. That's where jay sort of really knew the transition for natalie for not needing a test run show on the move to write up but me. She was there and a lot of the people in these first impression videos. Mtv announced that what released are like. Oh meetings just a flurry. He's just here to hook up. He's definitely more again in the ven diagram of a party. Drama real world type guy. I'm excited for that. You need that. I'm looking looking you. That's not your guy but that's sort of like you know. We have a lot of women in the house. Make a lot of weird decisions. And i feel like a naughty in msci thing is on its way maybe even like a nissan meet like a corey way is on its way so i'm excited for msci but not in here. Leo brian. good no. He's i know as much as you could go with that. He's a former professional wrestler. You honestly rob we defer to you on how you think a. Wwe person will do in the challenge drama athlete the midst of this world right act on the other way. Yeah yeah ms okay. Let me see what about gabby gabby from lavar island uk. And i think gabby is going to be pretty underestimated. She actually might be a good pick. She everyone loved her in the house. I'm violent She's very sweet. She's also a former professional dancer so she's got sort of that athletic ability and i think she might be underestimated so that's actually not a bad pick worried about someone who has a high chance of going out. I think she's up. There is a good chance of going out. I as a rookie intimidated. What you talk about. She she tossed into the into the nba chuck out. What about in the call. what about nicole. He the call most nicole's of she's so chief is the from the typical. We're worlds easy. He had a couple of good showings on a challenge nearly winning she was very highly anticipated when she came on so i think she's a good pick the report. She's an interesting character. she's not what she starts speaking. She's not at all what she kinda like. She's very very hard to hear. That kind of makes it interesting. But she gets in the mixture. I'm looking up with girls. Left it right which makes an interesting. Well yoga yeah. She's in a relationship now from exxon. The beach again. Exit is really required watching guys and the like exxon. The beach h. i. Podcasts ex on the beach no. Brian doesn't watch ex on the beach. Go watch again updates. When time i'd give updates on the challenge i try. Maybe it should be my my new show. Not a great collision show to produce during the pandemic. Isn't it the same as this. Have you go through quarantine. i mean everybody. Everybody's good. I don't know i mean the the challenge is a real darling for mtv. I don't know how well on the beach does but but nicole actually like is fully in a committed relationship but that doesn't always go first. We'll see how that happens but a kohl's got that like thick as a boston accent. But it's new york right so you know. She's fish sheet what's interesting. She used to be the like premier physical female specimen but now the done such a good job casting athletic women that she sort of like middle of the road like even she'll be afraid to go against atalay which is so funny because she used to be like the most horrible thing. Physical and according to the sun in the uk ex on the beach will return in twenty twenty one in columbia as a uk ex on the beach it started in the uk. Man showers appointment really hurts. It hurts to see you hurting so yes seriously. Because we don't cover it right. I mean stop stop Screaming that there are gaps in our. This could be my net. My next thing. I cover it sufficiently in three sentences every week the challenger out the winner of the battle. Royale mixup has the cover. Excellent one pot. Didn't we do a podcast on on the beach brian. We tried to canoe strong. And i you know my god who did that with us. it was been all three obviously. Okay we'll see we'll see if it comes back. I contacted tips. Okay are any other potential. Picks for my guys and my gals. Are you looking for someone who could win. I toss corey in the mix of someone threw for. He's gotta over foreign bad boy. He's kids now but he's really committed to me is with now nearly one last season. So he's he's he showed me. You can get right there. I think he's got a very good relationship with nelson who i'd also but in the mix is one of my favorite people that you can kind of root for you want kind of causes all up but a- think cory will be a really fun the report. I think you've got a very good chance of winning. So i think he would be a good one to put your stamp behind okay. You'd have to get behind my stamp though. Because i've been on. I've been knew about corey. I very creepy follow his whole family. He's got two kids with two different women from the challenge world. The and he's got taylor's pregnant again. That's like breaking news. Third one on the way i don't know if he knew about it when he was on the show. We'll see but there's an adorable family dynamic the kid riders so freaky you so and their teen mom now. So they're really he's mr. mtv and he's got a michigan tattoos so go blue. Is there anybody that you to really dislike. Is there anybody that's like. The person comes on the screen like oh we. We both hate this person car. Maria talk just a general john on. I don't think so. I hear she's lovely by the way i think you're i think here's something interesting. Tori deal is someone we should probably talk about. Tori is another sort of challenge darling. But she was until recently engaged. And this might be breaking. News to people aren't like all over challenged stuff everywhere. She was engaged to one of the bigger villains of the franchise jordan until like two weeks ago and they were very intertwined. They were sort of that annoying. Couple where everybody was like annoyed with jordan. All the time and tori was always making excuses for him too. She comes on this season in a difficult place in relation and he is not on the show. I think he has like two season or three season penalty for some horribly racist comments in situations. He got into on his season of the railroad. So she comes on without him and she leaves and their engagements over. So i think tori is going to be sort of in a negative place. That's just my prediction. We're relying no. I like tori. I don't know that she's going to be the best version of herself. If i'm out what's her deal enough. That's a no nam nam nam. Coming in fresh. I mean he's a he's a rookie. I mean with the we might see some good stuff from him. You know coming over from ultimate be semester ultimate master. What the hell is that. Your guess again is as good as mine But goalie physical specimen bid. So he be able to do pretty well. I think it'd be trailer. I think i'd be saying like flips people. We cap ultimate. Beat master. honestly rob you said. You're you're always and you're always listening to podcasts. I can't believe you haven't caught a mine and alexander chester's coverage of ultimate beach nassar. Weekly howe dairy ch. I think all these masters seems like it is a american ninja warrior. Knock off. that's on netflix. It's basically it seems like his lava meets american. Ninja warrior is as it sounds. Yeah he's got the he's the natalie upside. i mean. there was a guy named turbo. Who was from like survivor turkey. He like survivor hundred five hundred days. Whatever and he was just a sheer beast and that sort of what phnom potentially brings to the show just like pure fitness pure strength from the videos. I've seen maybe not a ton of personality. Like when you're not gonna show when you're on a show that requires talent and not personality. No offense to survivors. But like i don't know that you're cast on american ninja warrior or show like ultimate peace master. Because you bring the drama. It's just like you know. The guy from america's got talent like you know i think when you when you're on the show that require skill it's like weird to bring you to the challenge and hope that you're gonna pop on screen. We'll see i think he's got a lot of staying power. But i don't know that you're going to be like super thrilled to root for him weekly from an athlete perspective. I think he's a great big a for hated person. Yes let's talk about devon devon actually cause. The biggest rift between me and brian podcast history. I think we haven't had a lot. But i we disagree. He got into a fight with johnny bananas. And i was on devon side and. Brian was on bananas side and it took several weeks to get those. Brian loves johnny bananas. Jeff for johnny banat for him. Yes you should really be drinking from. The manga sent you while i have it. I can get a mug of niece's head. It's actually from the challenge mania. Podcasts merged store. I saw this tweeted out and it was the funniest thing so i just asked brian for address. Just says it's her face with her. Say nope she made a great. These are you'll like a niece as a narrator nieces great narrator for the seats devon devon is short. He's from argue the one and he's like he's intentional. Pro pot stirrer. Someone who's very aware of production. He likes to set up drama and he's very intense and lagana weird about it but he's certainly the closest we have this sort of a hateful villain from you know we don't know they'll make villain but going into it. I think he's sort of the odds on favorite to be the most hateful person. Although i have a soft spot for devon and. We'll always resent brian for that fight. We had like five years ago. Not forgotten about that. That would try to play. Like he's he's like the instigator he tries like west like was the born. He was the first person in the game and debit tried the trying to be like a new version of him so he likes guy in the may select to get under people's skin and stuff like that so he's he's not the biggest physical guy he knows. That's not his fourth as he tries to do other stuff alley is not a fan of devon's no no i. I'm devin defender against brian. It's interesting robin till you said this. Unusually there are people coming in that. You're like oh. I i don't like this person or whatever. Pretty likable cast. I feel like you guys love wes. No not you guys. Go lesson manas. You can't love west so west. See i thought that they were like a know that. Wes and johnny bananas are like Prophet magneto what is your first day. I i guess there the long standing robbery Of the show they go back to the beginning of the show of every season. The they've been on there always going against the last season was a big deal actually started to work together which is like a huge news coming together. Anything can happen. So it'll be interesting now with With that behind him to his own but he he likes kind of playing up evil role amongst the test. People have learned to love him. I think go back. Ten years. People hated west. Now people love okay. So he's a he all but people root for him the lovable all root for him. It's like he's shown necessary to the and he did. He hasn't been on every season but like especially with a crop of newbies. He knows exactly. It's it's really scary. He's like very manipulative. Very smart very strategic and he can sort of see weaknesses he can see people who can be manipulated who will be loyal to him and he knows how to capitalize on it. So if you're a fan of like good strategic gameplay you like good tv rob which i hear you my or do you like west there but isn't a d you know he's a he's a jerk like he he can he obnoxious and unlikable but he makes such good strategic impressive fund moves with a crop of newbies. Like this you know. He's got his work cut out for him. Because when you're playing a game for twenty seasons people is to you. And so the fact that he's still able to sort of like make moves in the game when everybody knows he's a snake and everybody's wise tam. It's incredibly impressive. It's like if boston rob played fifteen seasons instead of four but so we'll see see west could be pretty early out this this season. I don't think it's going to be an easy road. But it'll be fun to watch him but yet he's definitely more on the sort of like villainous side there's west heaven nickname i don't think so. Actually which is kinda surprising. He should yeah. Bananas question as opposed to what's ask what's moving you to ask this. I feel like that any prominent athlete or figure like i feel like has a nickname that people call them by people referred to him as west. Only brian scalise screaming. Ask somewhere. I think so i. I can't think of anything else. Nickname i mean. Even even big t has nickname. Yeah i mean that's a killer cam. Big t- big easy. He's not here anymore. But yeah i mean matt on the gas will come up with a nickname for less as we watch of like that. Is there any sort of a redemption island anticipated for this season of the challenge. So there's been in the past. They have done some variation of bay called damn she'd house one season it was. It was so preposterous. Nearly every three episodes they brought. Actually somebody told me you have to watch episode of paula in the redemption house. Bali got eliminated five times being one us and then made the final. Yeah that's how that's how ridiculous it was. I think for this and it doesn't seem like they've played actually haven't done one of those few now. So hopefully that's been buried They have done some variation of our redemption house at thing battle back in the past. It doesn't seem like they'll they'll deal with this summer. But i mean they pop up randomly throughout the season. So you never really know how. Many episodes is a challenge season. We know the answer to this. This season brian. I was so excited to tell you this so in in the coverage so and maybe we have always known that so he'd run the articles but but like honestly what's funny is brian and i always like it's twenty. Four season episode sometimes like the challenge. Run for five months. Like how long have we been asleep. It's nineteen episodes this season. Which i'm excited about the ain't that maybe is on the high side for its low for the challenges. The challenge will do a super annoying thing from time to time where they'll mess with the format. It's not guaranteed that you're gonna get like a challenge and a tribal council every episode. Like sometimes they'll cut it off in the middle and you'll only get the challenge and then it'll start with the elimination in the next episode. So i'm hoping we don't get a ton of that based on the amount of teams and the amount of episodes but at least we have a target. And you weren't as complain. Every week that we had no idea representing nineteen episodes. That's it. I mean maybe two for the reunion but nineteen right. Now is what scheduled. Wow i mean nine thousand nine weeks from now the world we could be living in europe. Pfizer's yeah that would be That'd be wild. I'm so excited for this upcoming season of the challenge. How can i continue to participate in in the fun you could play in our jerky game. You can you can. You can stay watching it you watch on. Mtv people always are like. I don't have mtv remember watch. I can tell you how to watch the legally. I'm sorry. I haven't i haven't i'm talking to the greater audience. The rob you're the primary audience here. come come join us on the challenge. Perhaps yes on the podcast. If i talk to my people of course if you watch if you watch your welcome non yeah. I didn't know if you're anti guest or some people say look look. We don't need the gas we need just like sticking our flow. I'm anti gas but that doesn't stop us from having guests scheduling scheduling three person. Podcast in the middle of the weekday is extremely iran. You're busy got. I'm the easiest person to schedule every people to deal with all these people who have jobs. No this is the fun part. Said the great sam more reaches out us. What an honor. Yes actually he said robinson if you wanna do a podcast on the challenge to preview. I said we've been expecting you back. But then he's like what your availability is okay. When's rob free. He's he's actually not free at all. I was like okay. We we could talk about this. I said out of what i told him was out when they're available and i'll make it work with what i said we're here this is perfect. This is great you know that. I very glad we're able to to do this. Well is there anything else. I need to know any other curiosities about the challenge. Let's go ahead. Go in with so little expectation that just let the show. Kinda just happened in front of you. Don't try to play a law. We'll try to guess what's going to happen. 'cause sometimes we make job but sometimes they changed the rules in the middle of the show changed things. Go get angry with guys flow. I i play mario party with my kids all the time. So i'm just gonna know like oh i'm doing great. I've got seven stars like now. I don't actually algae another great thing. That's like the true heart of the challenge as as the the cast members. Come and go. Oh well if anyone's intimidated. Maybe i don't know if we've talked too much about people like we know them. Because brian and i have known them basically our whole lives these returning players but mtv fantastic's job at even you all the information you need to know about and just enough if you're confused about devon and wesson corean nelson like bill flash back to show you five seconds that you need to know to understand what's going on to not be afraid to jump in viewer you can come in totally blind a and then teaching lavon has been the host of the challenge for a long time now not the whole time but a long time and it's so great like he has really come into the role he mixes it up with the people but not and mike jeff. Probst way. He really does on thing. There's no other reality. Tv host like him. I don't think he could get any other reality tv hosting jobs. He heckles them when they do poorly. He gently congratulates them when they do. Well it's like getting approval from your dad like he just is show great they use him so well and what i've learned recently because he's starting to do more interviews and be more sort of accessible is like he's really doing it like he comes gave him. He said his first day that gave him like a little script and he just was like whatever and said whatever he wanted and knowing that and watching him. It's so hilarious because it's like knowing that it's coming from his own little like adorable minds. I don't know he you'll know it when you see it. He's really really fantastic for the show. He was bmx so he loves these types of crazy stunts and stuff but when they're when he's talking about the challenges they're going to do what you could just feel the excitement because you know key would love to do that type of stuff and what are the. Most heartwarming moments series is really ever had would say five six seven years ago. E- add a very scary accident where he like billion. I was in a coma very uncertain like for future on show future and when he first came out for the next season the everyone was crying they were getting with standing ovations task. They love him. They really seek his approval and get such a feeling of gratitude when they get it and so shell so. Yeah as alison. He really is the heart of of the shop. Do there. i'm giving you credit. Are we're going to get back to talking challenge with brian alley in just a moment. But first let me take a moment to thank our sponsor i guess those are friends over echelon fit and you know what that means. The first lady of podcasting is here. Nicole sestina nicole. You love a good challenge. I do love. You have called me challenging on many occasions jerry. Very very challenging. Yes yes okay here. Talk about how challenging you are. 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I was like really good but also feel like in the past the challenge but then they're like nighttime they were at a bar and then they were getting wasted at the house and so is that still a big part of the show like it. 'cause that's i feel like. That's like the biggest departure from what goes on survivor. Big brother of like okay. There's a game. There's a physical competitions happening but then and now it's nighttime and everybody is really Trying to think of the right euphemism for this. That's not going to the inappropriate or make alley say okay boomer again beating up the i mean look like yes and that's like when we look at my notes for a challenge episode right. It's usually like recapping crap from last week. Dealing with the fall from ever went home the main challenge the going out and like the how they decide who goes to eliminate the going out seeing and the elimination like that is a staple of the The classic arc of the challenge. You get one club. Seen every episode what. There has been a big departure from like. If you haven't watched the challenge in fifteen years. It definitely was a lot. Sloppier back in The the career challenge folks. Like you're not gonna see wes looking like he's married. He's here for his career. Like this is a job seat. Same thing corey thing. They'll still party. But no i mean they go and they're sort of using it to politics because what's really crazy is. The elimination seen has just been set. And then they have to go to the club and so they're having strategic conversations while drinking and yes the and i think that's why they keep bringing in younger blood like both amberg and like all these like need chee. People still are here to party. So there's i think a healthy balance where it brings in if you like the bachelor ex on the beach like there's that kind of drama. The main show is the strategy. Is you need the new people who are going to come in and be fools. Nba and while the old k. g. are sitting there drinking water. Yeah no actually. That's really been the biggest evolution of the show. You go back as i said fifteen years. You know the challenges they're doing. They're like getting undressed and try to melt. The nice blocked their bodies. Now there were basically running triathlons to try to thrive when the show. So it's kind of shifted sometimes people it's gonna shifted too far to the challenge direction. Not as much of the direction. So i think they sometimes try to struggle with that bounds but there is still going out the hooking up and stuff like that which leads to some of the decisions that not only affect this benefactor user. Sees as well okay. The last challenge season that you covered is it considered to be a great good mediocre average. Bad if you think. I remember the last season brian. What remind me what did we think it was very good very good. Be plus and minus. I feel like we landed. I think very season. We the twist with the skulls. Kinda little flap overall was it was good. Good finale good winners okay. Anything else that we should talk. Actually could you give me a lolo jones for sort of like lowell. Jones's here is is she good. Tv crazy about jones is much. Apparently she came back from the challenge and then like qualified for the bobsled olympic team. Does paula california are doing it. So like she like is such an incredible athlete but she was like on the challenge. She'll like workout and they take their like physical fitness very seriously. It's not impossible. I mean what's his name ryan locked. He trained for the olympics. Big brother right so but but like the fact that she like just like show up and then dislike walk onto the. Us bobsled team is such a testament to her physical abilities. So i don't wanna like laugh at. How crazy she can be on television. And let that go by the wayside that she's looking credible olympian but yes. She's absolutely insane. You use our rob you know. She's intense she's intense which is great because what but brian brab but bravo saying what. Brian is saying rob cost. I i do. I do worry that. The challenge is going too far to the athletic. The fifth major sport thing but brings up like bringing on an olympian is absurd like what is an olympian competing against both ambers. Like that's wild but because low low has that sort of reality tv great crazy quality. I'm not mad about it. I think it's ridiculous that she's there but i'm not mad. I don't know brian how you feel phenomena very sad. I think it's crazy to put her up against and see how some other really strong female competitors do. We think you know. There's so many people think they are really great put up against an olympian and they they beat them. Maybe not bagel be themselves. Okay i wanna walk away from this with an official my guy in my gal i feel like a big t. My gal she was in the running cam cam. I t's strong big campsite tune of two gals. Know my guy. Allison for the challenge. Not a bad if you wanna get cancelled. It's not a bad way to go because the guys are causing problems guys. A couple of years be cancelled. These are good guys though. He's a guy who's your guy rob. You read the rules jessica. I can if i can have three. This is your first lesson and watching the challenge. The rules are made up Let me see you tell me about nam. One more time the time is up you choose now. These master knows boring pointed any I don't wanna. I don't wanna couple so we talk about kyle kind of like that He looks like looks like the bad guys on. It's always sunny in philadelphia. Yeah that's right. Hey let's just omit kyle. A bring tile wins the season this is gonna get clipped and played back to me like three. Yeah yeah boy it's going to be. It's going to be tough. I don. I don't have a go-to guy. Only two girls monster premier that picked the guy. We talked about joseph. He's going to go. The america's got talent guy always america's got talent. What did he do. That was that was a hebron. He's a singer. Nobody has any even in the first guy. This guy what are you. Why are you here. Because i i would identify with that. The first impressions literally all they say about joseph is like what have no understanding of what he's doing there. Yeah okay all right. We got the singer. Yes okay all right. I will go with a camp joseph. That's my team. So one thing else. I think we should talk about is why not. Only you should watch the challenge but that you should listen to the companion podcasts. The challenge cups during point maybe critical to discuss. Yes why should we listen to it because we watched the show. Don't we know everything we need to know. After we watched the show why we listen to a podcast. Also i mean do you not not love are. Are you not entertained. Like have you not love of of me brian. I mean yeah. You're preaching to the choir. Our into this can turn off. I don't know brian. I'd love to hear what you think. People should listen to the guests. I assume anyone is probably for you. I'm just kind of this is do you watch your show. And then we make a podcast. No i think. I think some fun question. The format is so. This is like we're six and a half years in brian. I'll make a lot of promises that we will not keep you but we re park is being. But that's that's gonna be pushed off. I think at this point we're doing it at seven knots with that but look like we have a lot of fun. We do a lot of stick. Have a lot of people help us out. We read tweets curated by the great big elisabeth. We play a drinking game. Sometimes i get the urge to do some sort of game. I maybe like once every two seasons. We throw a game together who we don't take show too seriously. We don't take ourselves too seriously. I think that's sort of the energy. We're bringing to the great community of challenge podcasts. And and yet we break it all down. A lot of people say they don't watch the show and they just listened to the podcast but we encourage people to watch the show. Take the journey with us. But if you do miss a couple of things we'll fill you in on what happened. This is where all reality show people are going anyway so you might as well be part of it. Yeah eventually you got to watch to see what your favorite reality tv stars are up to. But also we don't need you don. Listen if you don't want to ramsey's was the most disgusted with the. He's never been on camera. I don't know how to answer that. But that's definitely classic. Yes okay anything else that we should cover in this challenge preview. I mean how you been rob. No i think that's that's all okay. We got off topic now. Are you gonna ambushes ambush. That's it that's it we're done with you this but this is the vibe. I'm getting what are you gonna. I love to shoot the with rob. I'll talk about whatever. Yeah i'm elliot. What else what else is going on you. The new girl old guy. You are covering the fox tv series new girl. I am joaquin winokur. My twitter data kiva winokur through each episode of new girl. I've seen that like twenty times. He's never seen it. And it's a fun dynamic. We're having brian on this week warning that tamara love that synergy. My right was planned. Yeah so would you keep twitch. Akiva said you didn't plan that like okay. Thanks for having faith in my abilities We have a lot of fun that podcasts always. Great to talk to akiva. I have been on my dream. One day is to just have all of my content behind a paywall that i don't see any money for so i am a guest on thirty. Two fans patron podcasts. If you become a patient of thirty two fans we talk about. We are going through alexander. Chester made a list of top. Like eight hundred loads because he read every script seinfeld. because he's an absolute addict. And jared jerome. And i threw and axing all of the quotes and making fun of him for having even suggested that To one day. I guess pick the best line from seinfeld's that's a great use of my time and then i was on as you were talking about earlier. I was on with the great josh. Wigley on the show recaps patriot on talking about the movie clue so one day. Maybe we'll get the challenge Recap behind a paywall. To and then i can be completely exclusive which is my goal And then and then yeah we're doing. Ngo g every week on anchor dot fm slash new girl. Old guy and john vary around also tearless. This tuesday would zan rickie lee. You want to hear the suggestions i gave him. He ended up picking sitcom characters But i submitted you'll like this. Well he said it could go into another episode if it needs to. I mean i was gonna say just gatorade flavors but that's somehow seemed broader than sitcom characters. I said reality shows episodes of her nap sitcom characters. Mtv shows tv networks issue are now that'll go over. Well well there's only one tier everybody else is now audio. Only podcast alley. They felt they felt they felt it. Okay so we'll we'll check. I mean you go into a tier list of greatest sitcom characters with like. I feel like aval list of hundred coming in. what am i doing. Go please listen. Twenty people like do the thing. It'll be fun us appeals. He will the top twenty eight. So we we're going to go in with a twenty or thirty percent list and it just for fun. I was also on kickball. Friends rank tier listing. They ripped off. Julia new girl characters show basically. I'm completely overexposed. I'm exhausted. And i can't wait to just go back to two podcasts. Although i told i threatened to take a yacht as from new girl old guy for the challenge. 'cause the idea of having to a week again is giving me anxiety. Yes what will akiva have to have a fill in host for you or the the the the it'll be the end of season one. I mean akiva akiva keeps the. Brian knows i threatened to quit every week. And the brian mckeever keep keep showing up. I'll be there. But i'll threaten to quick. I got it okay. All right brian coen. What's what's next for you your question. I don't know this year hill. Basically what is one every hill about. Let me like dawson's creek baths. It's it's an iconic show that i'm so jealous that was part of previously about like that. I'm able to watch now. It's like one tree hill premiered on the wb in two thousand and three. It's a much more dramatize. Friday night lights i would say oh is. It centered around high school basketball beginning. And but it's a lot more into the drama. Then friday night lights was but a couple of the characters are great Stand brooke davis where it's on neff hulu watching on hulu in the fall season. Three episode seven hundred. Ninety about that is congested. That goes. We'll discuss the next week for that one teacher nap. I mean. nobody's anybody who cared only about the john's turn this off all right. Great time so show akiva not to step on your bryant. He is a prolific one tree. Hill tweeter. you should check that out at cohen. Brian underscore heritage twitter. Handle a great content You you akiva. I jokingly pitched that the table read should be an performer episode of her nap as a joke. He never mentioned that to you i was. I don't care that was a joke. Then he ran. The saved by the bell. Thing by me and i was like. Oh that's the show that's clearly the show you should do. Whatever i also pitched another idea which i'm going to pitch you directly. Did televise going over his head And he was like yeah. I pitched your idea the table. Read of their nap. Episode wasn't very dear. I whatever so. It's like it goes through him. I i was like you know what i'm going over your head. Forget it. I wanna plug this idea but also people should check this out. Have you seen that adam pally. I'm a known. Adam pally stan from that's new girl old guy cannon and he's been doing twitch dreams of paul scheer where they workshop people's draft tweets. It's a great. It's incredible content like it's an hour of them going through their own twitter drafts and basically punching up people's jokes. And i really only watching. It was like robin akiva could really rip this off and i think a great job with it and it was. And then they were sending the tweets out live and like talking about how it was going like following it and who liked it and whatever. So i recommend if you don't do that on the podcasts that you check out this twitch stream because it was a great our of sounds very fun that do a lot of people like i said this is a very like a comedian thing to have a ton of tweets that are in draft that they have not send out the average normal person have a lot of like joke. Premises in their twitter drafts. I have been known to save a few drafts and especially when like the political climate is worse. And you like don't to be tweeting out jokes but you like think of something. I've liked drafted some things. I figured you and akiva might have some things or maybe. Maybe it's something where you see if there are some missions and then you see if there's anything good from submissions. But they were not just doing it with comedians like they were just doing it with people who follow them but you know strongest ideas probably like a nice middle of the road you in akiva like shooting shit up so yeah i do like the people have ideas for jokes. They wanna make on twitter and we punch them up. Its or sometimes they'd be like what's this is great and i feel like rob you'll agree with this. Like adam. pelech. Whole philosophy is there are jokes and there are just thoughts. And you shouldn't just be tweeting every thought that you have. I'm very guilty of that. There were some things that would come in this a thought. Good don't tweet. What kind of understand fleets that's like okay bloomberg for me what the fleets okay fleets. Our okay boomer. no no. i'm the boomer on saying okay boomer to myself because i don't understand fleets okay. But so that's back you know akiba's just sending shillong you but not sending what is at least a laughable idea. No i do. I like that idea. I were like i would say if this was up i would say. Let's see if people like right in and see if they have like a bunch of premises that they want us to turn into like we have. We have the fodder to do that. It's more a complimentary because as well as two great comedians. I was like robin. I feel like would be very funny doing this. Also very good at taking other people's trash and making it a treasure should watch the. It's on adam. Paul scheer from from the league and from. How did this get made he. He is on his to stream Okay i would like to check that out anyway. So i'll check that out. Maybe we have. Maybe we have recommendation okay. Brian cohen at cohen. Brian underscore is there. A lot of traction on your one tree hill tweets i. It's like the same core of like ten to fifteen people that in very much enjoyed. And i love those people for it and do they respond. Please do a rewatch podcast. No haven't had the accident. The tweets a lot of. What should it be called. The ones reopen three pod. We could do better than that. Some of the tree. Larry i think brandon. I love a core. Worried is the john's we love just like a tight loyal audience. That doesn't isn't rude to us and is enthusiastic. And that's what the little challenger half of family is so it doesn't surprise me that brian has developed that same following around the time. It's not tweeting about a show. Seventeen years old like i don't be more people in my life. No more anti people at the challenge. I get it. I get it all right. Well we look forward to the first episode of challenge coming up on a wednesday night When did the podcast out well. They're actually just quick bugs that monday for new people. There's going to be like a meet. The cast monday night special. So if you again feel like you need more background content. That's available to you. the podcast. We usually comes out like thursday overnight to friday morning. we'll rook amtra record thursday's or sometimes after the episode wednesday and then it come comes. It'll be worth all right to subscribe to the challenge. Hap- guess feet What is the podcast. Link rob's website dot com slash challenge. Itn's okay all right. And you subscribe to our hap- feed you'll get it. All at robins website com slash ups. We've got a lot coming up this week on Rob has a podcast including that. I am. let's listen to this on our ninety day fiance's up podcast who is ambiguously is So so kinds of allow me to sleep on his Podcast couches. i'm going to cover this season of ninety day. Fiance with puja. Show join the challenge becoming. Maybe maybe one day we will have the first episode of ninety day. Fiance's season eight coming up on. Rob has a podcast very excited to dive into that and much more including talking with t. Bird we had a great conversation. And we've got another great one coming up this week. I mean how can you do anything but stand and everything. She's a part of. Yeah she got a lock going on. She's worked very hard on the podcast. Got like a nine hundred day from tibor. What about voice getting keyboard on voice. She doesn't do voice mode she does. She does like text. Text. text animated. Gif never called me. i've gotten voicemails from a flex t-bird sweet lady anything else that we want to say. Well we're here. And we commit to getting one tree hill with brian and the fishbowl. I feel like you dodged it and twice that is i would do anything. That's not true. A third no a third. I can't authorize it without kiva being. I'll get i'll get shot in the line if a kid says he's okay with rights over his head for the record season. Episodes service is great episode. They do fantasy boy. Drafter schiller's do of the basketball team. The who they could date. It's okay all right well put we put robina spot. We'll put akiva tomorrow when we record. Ngo jay and you guys will reconvene. When you do half my prediction was he's say well all right well. Let's let's see a couple of weeks so do you think that he's going to be able to get liezl his way out of this with me on the gas zero chance. I complain next week with her. Nab eilly glade me into this. Why buy go-to move is a stall like okay. Let's let's let's let's put it over here and then we'll come back next year using mat to stall right now i can't turn my is that he has to turn his key. I can't. I'm not authorized to do without him. We shall see. That's fine. All right Challenge wrap up Coming later this week right allie. Thank you so much here. Pretty good one Support for this. Podcast comes pluto. Tv if you needed escape drop into pluto tv for a world of free tv stream hundreds of channels and thousands of movies and shows all for free for free no subscriptions no fees imagine twenty four seven channels of the challenge narcos csi star amazing race survivor and everything else from hit movies to binge worthy tv shows. The latest news live sports comedy. And more what are you waiting for. Download the free plitt app for android iphone roku fire tv and start streaming now pluto. Tv drop in and watch free.

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Love with a Parachute with Bethany Joy Lenz

Scrubbing In with Becca Tilley

1:37:53 hr | 1 year ago

Love with a Parachute with Bethany Joy Lenz

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Ask happy monday everybody reason i ever i started laughing. When i say that is because i look at everyone spaces as i say it and everyone just grinning at me like grin on her face just feels right today. The gang's back together again. Eastern is fresh off of trip from south louisiana. Yeah feel more connected than than ever king being. Now i listen to the last week podcast driving around my hometown of madison wisconsin on that makes me so happy that you listen. I loved it. I i love this. It's a great podcast. I was on fish hatchery road laughing. Was you talked about <hes> urinate again hydro flask by the way before we started the podcast not really quick ovarian looks at my hydro flask. Me says it's right here. We go with all the effort. Could you imagine if i started like that was a good thing too i am. I feel most comfortable doing every it was funny. 'cause like people were like really inspired fired by your hydro flask movement and i think you probably made some sale. You should do like an affiliate with them because you could make some money based off the hydrophobic back then hydro flask doesn't sponsor answer. My life is just really feel like a missed opportunity with the do it. You talk about them for free all the time when we pay for it's a great product. I'm just very the appear holds the water this coffee house eight am wow three hours and the ad coffee <hes> and you have multiple down two hydrophones for coffee this for water fancy over here. I just have one win for water or dr pepper. I have not yet yeah you well. Yes but you can wash it. If there's a coffee in it you can wash it and use it for water. Not netanyahu says a different one for every conceivable liquid. She could consume the different top in a different size thank you if could you build forty ounces up with coffee. That would be a lot of call by the way imagine tawny with forty ounces of coffee in her. I would just like to say that i feel very validated by our scrubbing listeners because i got a plethora of d._m.'s of people saying that they would have indeed indeed kept the hydro flask as well and they were just disinfected it but i get though like i understand that but also they didn't smell what it was. Various fee does not go through what i went through for me to have such a strong opinion about it. Uh-huh i trust that a lot of people would probably do that and i honestly think had. I not been there being like you. Can't you would have kept it for sure but i think i think i even even got your head and was like that's really sick yeah and then i was like you're right but here we are yeah good thing how to back up the good thing hanging of two backups well. What did you do this week this weekend. I feel like i haven't seen you talk to you alive and it did you notice something different about me. Oh wow yeah so. My face is on tanya. Many of my like a lot of faces yep our tania's background. It's my head as feel loved cared for and scared i uh-huh cared for and like i feel like if someone saw it from a distance. I think it was your face because all you see is like blond hair. They're like why is she herself as her background and then on closer inspection they'd be scared for me to keep backgrounds though one of the both of us i would put that as a background yeah. I'm going to put just your face. Even i love you okay well. We didn't see each other but you saw me. I saw value every monday. We went from spending three and a half old days together to then. I don't like the cold turkey but had a lot of things to do. Yeah you're so busy. You're always so busy and you're always like i just want to sleep and not do anything keeping and you're like i'm gonna fourteen events and five days i know friday was supposed to be like i'd like designate in my counter like friday. Night is sleep night. Tanya swift tanya sleep clean like just in bed by nine. Have you cleaned your makeup brushes in a minute while those things are dirt and i didn't do it because guess what what you're just living. This man asked me if i wanted to get a drink and i said sure do hate to say it because i made plans with myself tonight and i said chur. Do what's wrong with that. I'd that's nothing non on modern woman thing because that seems fine to know is fine but then again this is the problem is that i was sawn sleep again. Friday and then saturday had to wake up early. Go to san diego spend time with my family and and like spending time with your family. You have to be like alert children around. I mean but you can still rests if anyone you can restaurant. It should be your family yeah true. I said that wrong if you if you should be able hold on the wrong but i'm proud that you said yes because he texted me and you're like i. I wanted to just have a chill night but i wanted to see him so and she's a photo with eyepatches lon under i is under sealers sealers not looking thrilled excited right. Was it worth it totally guy <hes> okay so time nickname him we're here. We're here okay all right here. We go i mean i just called them wedding guy. This seems kind of boring but there are no wrong no bad ideas when you're brainstorming so we'll start with wedding guy. I'll make list. You can hear the paper that i'm gonna make my list on. Don't love wedding guy okay well but you met him at a wedding yeah. It's got a lot of pressure on the relationship. That's like yeah. How about soulmate is that better <music> about other children. Mr rat red starburst. No that's like reserved for like the one okay okay. That's even a bigger one than we were. Just joking. Okay wow. What else do we know about this guy. We can't say does he have facial hair yeah what is half she'll hair. Beard must go t- thing. Here's a full beard full beard. What are they gonna. There's no bad ideas and restore familiar kind of implies what we don't want to employ <hes>. I'm trying to think something q. Some okay. I give you some more details details. Okay i had a i had an idea that would be cute but it might be kind of really cheesy. Tories stress for me okay so we had our first kiss listening to casey mass graves butterflies. I know so i was thinking mr better fly isn't that terrible is so key you is or is it the fact that our it's cheesy but i i love. I love cheese. I like alliteration. How butterfly boy the boy superhero likes it. I not like it signifies a rebirth mr mr boring. Everything's things just dr gotten butterfly. Let's just brakes. I like butterflies butterfly butterfly. I like that but we need something else. We always always calling butterfly. That's kind of weird. Senior butterfly butterfly the fly it is and you are butterfly. I don't know if i can take it seriously but i will mobile app every time that's near butterfly. Here's some more details. What's in your butterfly okay. I think i'm just gonna call him signor for sure to have something different than the others because i feel like he's different key. Okay though stressed by the way i had the conversation station. I told becca already had accomplished my sister. Who by the way the fact that we were born from the same parents is beyond me. She's very level headed. She like is very centered. She's she's a therapist so she she's psychologist or she knows what she's doing but she had this conversation with telling her that like that. I'm stressed out that i wanna see a._m. So much because you know me like i could go even like somebody i could go a week without seeing them date people from out of state so you have to exactly and so she was telling me she was like i think that you're so traumatized from your very bad break up and she's like and you've been bringing these people that are either physically cleo or like emotionally unattainable whether they live out of town or their divorce with children into want more kids or you know what i mean like. All of these things are bringing those guys in because you can't they're not you you can't attach yourself in the way that you did in the past and i was like oh my god. You're so right and she's like. I think this is why you're feeling this. Y you're saying stressed is because this man could potentially be something yeah because he lives in my town and wants to see the and we're talking a lot and it just feels good and so i think she's like that's why you're having this like it's almost triggering because is your feeling those feelings that you felt for somebody in the past and then it ended in a really bad way though so traumatic for you so that's why this is like coming back up. It makes sense totally makes sense. I was like literally before actually weirdly enough the bachelor's. What like actually made me have that realization that i built these walls and i thought like because i would like people who didn't like me back. Yes so anytime someone like me back. I was like well. They could hurt me so i mean we know like standoffish because that will protect me but it never allowed me to let you even have feelings towards anyone because i was always prepared for earth hurt of like not like rejection. I guess totally. I was a big thing. You had to get over recently right. I think we'll robert was the first time we're actually allowed myself to like okay. I'm going to let myself be in a relationship. Even though i'm scared for like the commitment of maybe being her which is where that our brains do that so we're we're made to love like when we wanna love and she experiences the people beget once we get hurt or we feel the rejection are like brain stores that and they're like. Let's not let that happen again. Yeah i don't know if it is my mom or my mom's best friend meena that said something to me. After i went through my bad break-up she said and it's still stuck with me. She said this was the love of your life that you had it was almost like you didn't have a parachute. You were just used jumped out of the plane that jump out of the plane kind of love where you don't have a parachute and you just fall and you just have no. There's n- there's no hurt in your heart. You're totally going with it and she's like once like now that this has ended and you've experienced that trauma from that you're always gonna love with a parachute from now on <hes> and i was like oh wow so true but that's okay yeah. Is there for safety and i think there's still jumping yeah. You're still jumping. I think if you're stuck in the plane that's right. Thank you for that jumped out of the plane and you ever lawsuit yeah okay. You might even have someone attached attached to your back to pull the fares drop. Something and i'm actually really proud of you because i know that dating someone like that's accessible to you and also like he very clearly like from what i've heard is very into in like you've been with these guys who are like not like they don't communicate or you're doing all the work or it's like not even and i feel like it's very much like y'all are on the same plane uh-huh yeah and it's scary so scary exciting to super cool. We're just like the rhino r. We're not happy. Butterflies allies just like footer in glitter in just the right amount. It's really the senior caterpillar right now. Hopefully someday he'll be seen. He's just in your so you kissed. Yes good kisser yes happening. Yes and uh how how long ago was that. I probably like less than a week ago week. Okay so there's been more kissing since yeah. There's been multiple date since there's there've been make out sessions. Yes oh my god what changes from kiss to make out that tung tung. I guess i'm envisioning. Take time right at least ninety seconds automaker right. Yes i think that's the key crosses the threshold the one thing in a make out multiple kisses right right. It's like a group of crows is a murderer like a group of kisses as i know i feel like you crows is a murder. The murder of crows rose. I feel like you could kiss ten times in a row and it wouldn't be a make out session. It would just be make this here. The session can't be standing. Oh true outsider up against a wall demonstrations bizarre yeah. I think you need to be seated or laying. I don't think you can stand outs like by the car or or like some great make outs and there was a lead implied though there's a lean their car. I think you're still collini against the car. I was outside of the car. Both standing on your own to nothing else supporting you know i'm not sure that's a makeup session. Oh yeah mark mark. I had some of those two. I'm on team beckham for enough. It's been a while down when you're like. Amy wants wants to make out and you're like we think it doesn't qualify standard kiss for awhile. I don't think that's a makeup marcia. You're wrong. You're mad gets you know right now. You're having to rethink yeah all right fair enough. That's true. I think you can have a kissing session. That's not a make out session. Uh-huh i feel like they're one and the same it's like tomato tomato potato potato okay. Do you think that if you have in saint chemistry austria's someone. Do you think this is going to be good regardless or do you think someone having like amazing chemistry and then being a bad kisser. You would feel like they're a bad kisser or do you think because as you're so into them you're like it was great. That's an interesting question because i have had really good chemistry with people before like verbally and then physically the chemistry. Wasn't there really yes have you not. I feel like everyone i've had chemistry with. We've ended up kissing the kiss has been good because has like back and maybe they were just good kissers but the chemistry was just there. I feel like it's a learned skill. I feel like you can become a better kisser. It's something you can be be great to begin with. Maybe some people are naturals better as you as you kiss more. I think it also would help if the if like you get to place place where you're like close enough to be able to like tell someone like if they're doing too much to be like you can relax a little bit right. What are some kissing kissing pet peeves too much like saliva. <hes> see i uh-huh i enjoy the tongue swapping. No i d there can be too much. The lizard is is a hard no. I haven't had that in a while and i hope that died in my twenties back there. Yeah we leave it back. They're starting hung is just i also don't like when someone like keeps their mouth to like closed. I yeah i had a young lady once she would separate her face from mine like half an inch and then trace my lips with her tongue on actually sounds like it sounds like medical or something so he's gonna love this. I do enjoy a lip suckle. We know that happened with your zero lip sackler. I loved it. We're implying that he is somehow latino but we're we're just saying you like when it's done to you or to do do it to someone i like both both both with an l. Here's a list of mistakes people make when they're kissing too much tongue would that is there such a thing on you. I like tongue can bring on the town to little tongue yeah. That's a mistake yeah teeth getting away. Oh yeah don't teeth clashes sometimes. Sometimes i haven't had that happen to while you aren't closing your eyes. Oh yeah that's that's potentially weird. Tanya known to open my eyes off what he looks like. He's kissing audio but he's gonna scare the hell out of. It's not like an open mike bug. I like my you know sleeping. That's all you have. I like just like pira valley tiny like wing. Even worse. Kisses have no variation. It's the same thing over and over again. You're only focused on the lips as opposed to the neck. The knows the ears. If you want your kids to reach the next level don't limit yourself to turn up the heat by stroking your partner's back or softly biting their ear okay. This is seventeen magazine and another way where i got a lot of things you don't fresh in your breath beforehand. Well obviously that's not good. You're not prepping your lips ahead of time a moisturizing balm home you are not ready or your partners not ready you go back and they're not ready or the tongue comes in before they realize what's happening. It'd be surprised by the among. Let's see and you're not communicating with each other. Those are the seventeen magazine mistakes people make when kissing communications k. those fun like teenage conversation and we do. I don't know if i'm allowed to bring this up but i heard i heard the last night he stuck around. He did stick around a real editor that yeah okay. That's next level up around for a little sleepover. Yeah fly into believing. I need to hear more details about this so he came over approximately what time six ish so it wasn't like. He came over late and had a loctite. Here's the thing i just wanna spend time with him. It's so weird for me some trying to just just go with it and not think too much about it which is also like not like me but but that's how it should be yeah. Let's in the beginning. You wanna spend time and there are no games. I'm busy. There was no live. It was just yeah tomorrow great yeah. That's kind of how it honestly. That's how it's been in like even like when we texts like he has a job that requires him to be away from his phone for exit periods of time and i'm like super chill. I'm not like if he waits forever to text me back. I don't wait like six hours to run and back right and back right away. You know yeah like having to play the game to like. Keep him interested. Now your phone. I don't like that either. I know it's not like philly. Most people who work jobs are on their phone for work reasons. You'll have like meetings six six hours. It's maybe like an hour or two but anyway more at six or six dinner. Yeah we ordered in nice and we watch marty granville. Would you gotta salad. Obviously he get fish. Oh nice he healthy yeah oh. She's going to high five mean for that which i don't know why he's like clean like you or not nauseous good move though yeah he's not like me like he. Can you know he might have a cheeseburger right right right. Granville has a cheeseburger pizza on the minnows hoping he ordered. He's a healthy guy yeah all the movie oh that he was asked well so the decision was so. I'm starting actually enough. I'm about you say this but i'm starting to prep for emi's oh yeah and so i wanna start watching all the shows that are nominated but then so we were gonna berry love put into the second season man that good show i know but then i'll like i know i'm not gonna pay attention and i actually need to pay attention. You don't even have a <hes> so i think we're just gonna watch something. That's just kind of like russa's great background from a is there a new t._v. Show no the movie okay. So is your decision from kind of joint. I had it on d._v._d. I had it like in my d._v._d. And no. I don't even think i have a d._v._d. Player thing what do you mean it was like in like i had bought it or rent schwantz part time only like obsessed with that soundtrack sure that makes sense. I like full-blown like concert one night at dinner with a friend of mine because we were playing playing playing you and mcgregor and he was saying kidman about sounds like brad. No it's actually been joe does brother oh so you so it was a mutual decision from we'll do great. I like that. That's a good sign because it's not like a guy thing right petty seen it before. Ooh didn't see much of it. You're making out yeah okay and then we went to sleep. So what was the decision decision of like. I'm staying the night so that decision was made on friday. This is a pre orchestra so he got up and went to work this morning your house no he went home got ready for work and then <hes> sunday night's sleep over an interesting plan more spontaneous than plant usually usually this is unusual but why guys wanted to spend the night together because i wanted. I'm trying to like get weekend time and so. That was the last part of the weekend that i came back from being my family <hes> he slept in your bed. Yes bird area questions about that. 'cause i mean a. G. p._g. How do you have a lot of willpower. What did he know what i <unk>. I wonder if i screen shot of this message. I've got a message from a listener and like really blessed my heart because it was very lengthy and she said <hes> she she was having a guy coming to visit her that she had met on some dating up and so it was kind of similar to the doctor screen time thing where he was coming into town and she's she's like. I made this decision as well. I don't wanna have sex with him but i don't know how to have the conversation. She's like. I feel like it's going to be awkward. I feel like he's not gonna wanna come like she. He was like the felt very vulnerable. Invite a guy into your bed and not have him assume things right and i just i responded and i was like i think that you just have to kind of come to terms with like this is the decision that you've made to protect yourself. You know what i mean like. This is more of like this is what i need i need. I need commitment from you to feel comfortable. We'll going in that direction and until that happens like this isn't going to happen and just kind of put it on you. You know but also don't make it. It's not an insecurity. It shouldn't be something. Turin shamed over embarrassed about this is something i think it's really great to be that self-aware. You know yeah i mean but it is i mean it is hard like mark said i. I would assume that a guy thinking oh. She wants me to stay at her place in in her bed like that's where things are going to go so i do think the conversation is important in to explain like why it's not like i'm not india or whatever it's like. I just don't want to do this without any commitment and that's very fair of had that conversation station with him like prior to so he knew what events in your must send your. What did you tell him. As far as that goes like you're not saying bring your savings up to marriage. You're not saying it's open season. Like how do you put that to a guy. I kind of just kind of go into the mic my past past relationships and i think i'm the happiest i've ever been in my life as of the past few years and i think it's because i've made this commitment into myself because i'm not i think there are people out there. That can have unattached sex i really do. I think there are people that are built that way or or whatever that might be. I'm not one of those people and i spent so many years trying to convince myself that i was that person or like all just do this and then he'll l. He'll decide later that he wants to like. Be only be with me or you know what i mean like. I think i was making this like trying to convince myself but then when it didn't when it didn't have wanted an end commitment. I was always so hurt and you know like becker. Get like so hurt over the littlest things you know and so oh i think i just kind of had to come to terms with the just know myself and know my boundaries and it's like really helped so much and it's good that you put amy i've mentioned in this before but when we first started dating she took off the table very quickly yeah she said amid mistakes. I don't wanna do that again so that's not happening and the fact that i stuck around was a good sign yeah. I think it's a good sign that you make that clear to a guy and he doesn't leave. I think that's great yeah and i don't think like i don't think i definitely have a pass and i've i've slept with a lot of guys but i don't think that it's necessarily a lot of those were people that have been committed to an were boyfriends of mine but i don't consider them a mistake because i think ultimately led me to figuring <music> out like myself a little bit more all right so we spent the night. What did you wear i can't you would that's key anywhere to sleep when he showed up sleep shorts shorts okay. That's probably what i would do. I probably do some sort of sweat shorts yeah and a t shirt or no shirt yeah t shirt like sleeveless t shirt or asleep normal t shirt. You have writing on it that kind of just like writing okay. What did you wear. It's a big question shorts and a tank like the little smart. It's so fun being in a new relate. Sorry chill but it's like exhibits fine when you meet someone like that. It's annoying. It's so fun though by chill chill chill it's great. I love it show all right. Let's talk about lola. We love lula so as a female found the company offering a line of organic cotton tampons pads liners and all natural cleansing wipes unlike other major brands. Lola products are one hundred percent natural and easy to feel good about. Nobody s mystery fibers or doubts about what's going into your body plus lola. 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That's my name on my birth certificate. <hes> when i was thirteen i was doing what all thirteen year olds do and try to find my independence and so i decided to change the spelling of my name go by j e joya u._s. Sure sure liens and i do. I i had a good run with joie or joy. I mean it was still joy but at a run with that for until i was twenty and i i have a there's a lot of credits on guiding light with j. o. y. And i and i don't know why changed it back. I think once once you heal started. I thought thought oh this show is like real. This is a real job. I have to really decide what my name's gonna be and i want to stick with this thing. It came up with when i was thirteen years old. I guess i better go back to my birth certificate name but nobody's ever call me bethany. My whole life is always just enjoying. My parents always call majority. Call me joy. I love the name joy. I mean no. Thanks i know. At what point were you like. I need to add the bethany on it was that it was then when we started wintry hill because i thought like i don't know i guess yeah. I thought it sounded more. I was twenty. I just i need to say what my professional name is going to be and i was. I've probably in the middle of some kind of identity crisis. I mean i don't know and i just just like i'm going to just go with my birth certificate. That's minium. That'll be my name forever and then got married and i was all super lake eliminate my husband's last name and <hes> so it did that not for a while and then i got divorced and i was definitely not gonna have any more hurry <hes> and then i went just joy. Joy lens the nasdaq. Oh isn't that boring and then i just decided i was really over thinking it and who just pick a name and be the name so that's my name. You can call me joy. You called me bethany call me. Hey you call me friend. Whatever susan just shout at me and turn around the people over. Call you haley all the time. Yeah you respond. I don't out of the principal matter just because it annoys me yeah. You're like i'm human then i hear it i hear it it is i mean it is like you were on a show for such a long time and had such a i mean it's really cool being like talking to you right now. As i like i mean i loved you on the show and i love to this show and i watched it so loyally and then i think it's really fun. I get i get that excitement of seeing a character that you love in her life wanting to save their character name yeah yeah it's funny. That's funny i've had i've had how that happened to me before too just as i as the longer i've been in the business the more you get to know people that you've watched for years become their friend personal while wow you're like. How do i do this. I think it's just so weird because like your profession is to to be somebody else to be this character. Yeah and it's like so crazy to me like the light. It's just i can't wrap my head around it. Because i mean sounds like it's hard for me to wrap my brain around like the idea that like you go in like your job and you you are this character and that's what everybody sees a see this character. They don't see you as a human yeah. It's got set in that. Show took on such a life of its own holy. Oh that psych became this integral piece of two thousand pop culture yeah and <hes> yeah i mean i think that's part of the reason why you know people who are especially young twentysomethings teenagers who are on shows like that <hes>. It's hard for them to get work after the show is over because everybody only sees them as they really have to sort of step out of the way for a little while and just not in the business too much and then hopefully when you come back at and like you know i'm back with pearson and it's a totally new character and it's a new show and i feel like i'm getting a really positive response with that but i think i had to like get out of the way for a little while because because it was just too hard for people to see me as anything but haley see. I don't see you as haley that we i'm so glad because my livelihood and my daughter's ability to go to college actually depends on that ah i will i'm obsessed with grey's anatomy all sesame and so i was like oh my gosh you were on grey's lassie's yeah yeah last season yeah i don't. I don't know it was fourteen. I mean my god fourteen yeah yeah it was last season and you for <hes> all use the character names you were johnny. Joe's x.'s yes wife wife correct or fiance fiance say something for fiancee. I can't remember it was so good. Oh it was it was fiance because joe is the one that had so. How many the episodes were you on like three episodes. It was two or three. I can't remember so when you come into like an ensemble. Show like that with fourteen seasons like is it. Are they like super warm and friendly or is it like kind of like nuts. Everybody was really nice to me. I mean i had a great time on that show. Everybody was great. Super swede like just as long as you're just going to show up. Keep your head down. You know if you have an idea say idea if you don't shut up and you know stand on your back like you know what you're walking into like it's not a show where we're going to be rehearsing for forty five minutes before we take and like everybody's really going to get into their character hash out like i don't feel like i would walk over to that side of the room without a motivation nation now. There's no time for that sort of have to just know zone you're going into so i had a great time on the show. I love those people we have. Our podcast is named after are scrubbing in with back at the same time on our rundown. That's not even mentioned. I'm a little little bit thrown off by that that that grey's anatomy wasn't in here <hes> i see that you were on dexter yeah and i only made it to season him four because once rita got spoiler runs got killed off i like really and everyone was like you gotta keep watching but but i now i live alone at the time with my sister so i didn't. I get scared easily so i could watch it them and then i go to bed knowing that they could protect but now i live alone so i have to like really choose. What if i watch during the day a tough one for women living i started with john lithgow season unlike when he started like my daughter and my eight year old daughter sitting next to me so i can't say exactly what he was doing but like it was in the bathtub and it was really like gory and i just it was like i can't and i was pregnant with her at the time and i just thought it was like i had been watching dexter so i thought oh i'll just keep watching. I was so emotional and just it was not the right time. I never actually finished dexter either. Oh yeah i was in the season but yeah come on in the afternoon a light afternoon sunia now. You're on pearson yes on u._s._a. And we'll do plug. It's one wednesday nights on wednesday nights ten nine central on u._s._a. Right after suits and so you said like i just i'm so fascinated by the life of an actor. It's just it's so fascinating to me yeah because so when you're like auditioning for this said like you were on your own and you kind of take a step back for a minute so that people could see you not as haley when when you go into audition for show like pearson like what's that like. How many editions do you go onto some feel like when you feel like you really connect with the character. Do you feel like you nailed it or like yeah this one. I felt really good about also. I know this casting director really well so i feel very comfortable with her. Some rooms you walk into and you don't know the people very well or you. Don't like the people you know. Sometimes i've had casting directors. I'm like just don't like you as a human. I just feel that energy and it never goes well this guy's director i really like can i know her. Well so is comfortable and i felt great in the room. It felt like an easy audition because it was an easy connection to the character and then our screen test <hes> was also <hes> yeah i just it felt kind of that electricity in the room and i had this like caged animal energy for some reason i was feeling it that day and i guess that's what kerry really needed did and <hes> that's what i brought in and that's what they liked so tired me. It's actually really interesting. Hearing tanya say that she is able to a separate a character from the actor because we were watching a movie yesterday and she was talking about how much she liked. The guy and i was like really she's like i just i love his his character. Just long have you seen. He's just not that indio <hes> oh no but i did see him in what was blake. Lively is like first movie about college going to college. No is i don't know about it was unin role do like accepted or something like accepting. Maybe a college movie. I just long was in that right. I think he was the guy and i say yes. I know him from because that's the first thing that i really remember being like oh. This guy's cool like he's released got great. He's he's got a cool vibe yeah. He's a mac those commercials. I'm a mac. I'm a pc was the man he's a cool guy. Yeah yeah i like. I think i crush on him. I almost like don't know if i could meet him in real life people so i connect him so much to that specific character because i connect myself jennifer goodwin's wynn's character so much cash yeah if you're thinking back. Do you kind of look like jennifer. Goodwin is totally. She's just like this like hopeless romantic. She has this hopeful all her and she makes all these mistakes deigning so sad but i'm like i resonate with her so much and i'm like justin. Long's character just the i think that's one i could if i i saw i'd be like i don't know what i would do. I don't know what i'd it'd be cool. You think he'd make you comfortable. I'm sure have you met him before. Yeah him no i when we're watching the movie no i. I thought we drafted a dino shucks. Are you open to answering fan questions and if you don't want to answer just say well like yeah yeah. No i got a lot of questions about what you thought about the time hop in the show like when they jumped or year utah uh-huh appear so you're talking about okay yeah about what i thought about a lot of it was a great idea you loved. I really did yeah. You loved what happened with your character yeah. I guess i mean it was i loved that coming back with that season and having something to do i mean honestly you know we had been we'd sort of ridden out the whole like sweet girl next door tutor girl thing moving up to be able to come back and have like meat beat to sink my teeth into like ha ha the excited to show up like act work instead of just like oh yeah. Just you know smile. Here's this cute line. You know yeah. I liked it as an actor great yeah. If a challenge a different challenge <hes> they wanna know who you got along with best on set up paul johnson's one one of my best friends <hes> and has been for years. We just got on great. <hes> hillary and i hit it off right away. I mean we all we all get along really well like everybody. Is we still have a big group text going and <hes> i love. James is texting with him the other day. That's what people that's what the people want to hear auto show yeah. James is the best i mean seriously you know what i was watching. <hes> those james plays nathan ah yes replaced nathan <hes> i was watching the bachelorette which i've never seen before and i i went to a girlfriend's house because my daughter loves her babysitter and she i came home when she was like. I want my babysitter to put me to bed. I was like okay by back out so i went to the neighbors next door and she was watching the bachelorette and and it was the final episode with title tyler guy so charming and like so cute and i looked at it and he looks like an old movie star right like this guy reminds me so much of james he just has that same so if you're a bachelorette watcher and you know tyler is he's. He's got a very similar energy to kind of like the way james was in his. Oh oh yeah i mean he's such a good upstanding citizen with awesome. Yes like and i would say ninety eight percent of the people who listen to this podcast are huge bachelor fans melted. Everyone like you just made dreams. Come true true totally so he's awesome. He's great. He's just really and super smart crazy smart <hes> yeah. They're asked i i mean my god. If he is brilliant hillary smart. She's got a book coming out. You know paul's like an amazing writer and director like everybody's just close and everybody's great. I loved got you here. All you hear different things sometimes about the sets you know yeah. No we all figured out a way to just get along. Of course we had fights. Of course we're like got that person. I mean it's longer than high school. I know yeah. It's like say family. They're all my cousins now. I because we love hillary. She's married to danny. It's right. We're always comes always circles back to choose arizona's love enter. You know the woman i really did not she had left a bad taste in my mouth from one tree hill and then came in and mess things up. This girl says my oldest daughter is named after healy from one tree hill. That's wonderful days said i took some screen shots sound so i don't know if you want to answer this while i'm going going through these. Are you dating right now. We talk a lot about dating on this. Yeah yeah dating you know not true at. I know i have a lot of time. I mean yeah. It's it's a it's complicated right now. I know your your your free. Time becomes very precious ashes yeah just in general mike. I just feel like more and more everyone says like why don't you just go like why don't you date moore and i'm like because it's like you're going to go and it might have waste my time but that's a look at it. Either same dinner over your first date yeah like groundhog's day yeah. It was like a different red flag rotation. It's totally like that's brilliant and so great great what if you just showed up on the date with like a list of the red flags and just be like. Could you just off right now. Do you have commitment issues. Are you a narcissist fleas circling right. Are you an alcoholic. Does your family sock. What's going on yeah yeah so sad a rotating. I gotta pull out our jennifer goodwin from he's just not that into you and have hopeful heart. That's right yeah yeah. Yep sure people want to know if you're going to record music again <hes> <hes> but music out <hes> i will. I'm sure <hes> i just only have twenty four hours a day and i'm one person and i have tried hi to do all my work and raise my child at the same time <hes> and find time for myself and it just doesn't work like i am. There are so many <hes> would you have your hands in like these pupils have your hands in pazienza yeah when your hands and so many pots yeah hands ends in potus knows it. There's a there's a specific saying you have your head anyway. You got your hands in so many things like there are so many things that i could do. <hes> and i could do them well if i really focused on them. The problem is it takes up all my time to focus on those things so i really just had to choose directions taken a backseat. Music is taken back seat right now. I'm writing a musical and that's something that's. I'm really passionate about have been doing it for the last three years. Wow <hes> and raising my child and i'm finding time for myself and i'm working as an actress. No it's a lie when you're filming pierson. How like is that like. Are they twelve hour days. How many like it's usually about twelve to fourteen hours yeah so yeah and you're writing a musical as a call and then you're raising your daughter yeah all of all doing twelve hour right. Yeah ooh an meanwhile. I'm like trying to you know that's the thing like yeah but that's the thing is like trying to. There's so many other things that i would want to be doing that. I love to do and i just i. I just have had to pick like a what's my biggest priority right now. There's still a lot of time left in life. <hes> these are the things that i'm most passionate about right now. So this is what i'm going to focus on and then everything everything else will just work at something yeah are you. Do you have strong faith. I do yeah because i kind of go back and forth with that a little bit where i'm like you can try try try. Try try to find the guy all the time <music>. I'm like going to apps and like you know put yourself. Make yourself available but i'm like god's been so present in my life in every other aspect like i know he's going to fulfill that need in my heart so it's like. I think it'll just happen. Naturally yeah not force it too much. <hes> the best way is when you're not clinging too tightly something or like whatever it is i mean i think that's sort of the guarantee in life whatever it is that we put on the throne on that pedestal. That's the thing that is inevitably going to be taken away from us so that we can they find our fulfillment in our faith and our relationship with god totally. I heard your divine franken fan. I'm i saw his book lookout there. I was like who's reading devante book. I've read all of his book. He's great. I am obsessed with him. He changed my life. I think it was two and a half years ago. I read the weight and and <hes> i like he came into the interview. I work on the ryan seacrest morning show and he came in to do an interview four k. Remember exactly what it wasn't that book but <hes> he came in and i had this epiphany with him wow of like i was always in this perpetual pattern of pain because giving my body before i was getting commitment mitt from men just like was like a light bulb went off my head and like i think you can attest to this. I've been like the happiest for the most part. I mean obviously everybody has their moments where they gets outta but like i've been the happiest. I've been the last two and a half years ever since i made that commitment to myself that's amazing and i really like i give him. I mean obviously it's like my decision and it's my life but i give him so much credit for like opening that view yeah but it's okay. Is it a different way of doing yeah create boundaries for myself and you know what i can't handle and i've just been such a fan of his and then i read his book <hes> the truth about man and i'm so bad i heard him talking on the joel osteen station about that the other g love him. Yeah i do i really do. I've seen him speak several times. I used to go to one church a lot where he shows up in speaks <hes> infrequently yeah yeah or maybe frequently. I don't know but <hes> yeah that's the first time i heard him speak. I was like who is this guy so fantastic and right and i think it's it's really cool because he works in in this in this hollywood industry and he had to create these boundaries for himself when he was starting because these like agents and stuff would make him want him to work on a sunday and he was like that. Let's i ha i. I yeah that's my day. This is my day for god and like he created these boundaries in an industry that really doesn't have didn't have respect for that at the time you know now and so it's kind of it's just cool to watch his journey into see kind of like where he's been in what he's doing because he really had to push the limit and like set boundaries for himself and so ever forget i had a meeting at sony when he was still working at sony and <hes> it was just a general that my manager it's at map with and i was going through a really hard time in life and it was just one of those meetings like i'm just gonna go and you know sit there and talk to this producer and you know we're both christians. It'll be nice to chit chat and he was he just like cracked me open mike. He just knew he could just see what was going on and just was like a you okay talk. He prayed for me in his office like i was just so lovely that that's exactly the way i can explain it. It's like i think i've met him a handful of times maybe two or three times in my life but he will still to this day. He'll check up on me and be like oh. How's it going. What can pray for you for <hes> and it's just so nice. You'll like such good boundaries to sleep feel weird. It's always just like brother who really cares very sweet totally totally and he's like very much like you're going to need people in your corner because it does get tough and you know being this being like this and making these decisions. It's not always easy need to have like mentors and people in your life that you can can lean on. He's like i'm happy to be that for you and like some yeah yeah well and that's what i've had to do. A lot of is just finding finding that place of faith where all the things that i wanna you do and all the activities and all the things i want to create in the art and i want to paint and i want to write music and i want to record music jazz album and i want to go do broadway musical and i take a jewelry line like there's just so many things and i really just had to go okay. I just have to trust the guts taking care of me and i'm just going to focus on the things that are really in my heart rate now and follow the path instead of trying to force the path or manifest the pather. Yes gonna walk <hes> day by day trusting that i have this in the faith that i have is guiding me and <hes> working out much better. The more that i let go of kim yeah they say when you try and force things you're working out of your working from a place of fear instead instead of faith <hes> and so true. I find that it's also it's really cool that you have so many passions because i think a lot of people have a hard time even distinguishing shing like what their passions are for sure and it's like such a god thing to be like okay. I wanna do all these things now have this desire in my heart and when the time comes it'll be yeah i think so too yeah. That's really cool yeah trying to force a lot of men everything like you shouldn't do i like doing i was like we have to go to every happy hour. We have to get on every dating out. If you have a brother best friend give them my number berg literally everyone would come into the podcast and she'd be like do you have any friends. This was a month ago and you said james guys names. You said how amazing he was like. I don't care but is he. I think he's off the market. Someone says i wear pinky rings still to this day because she always wore one. Why doesn't she wear hers anymore. Wow a pinkie ring. That's attention the detail right here. That is serious attention to detail. It fell off of my finger and vacuumed it up. Wow gone that was it on uh-huh. Isn't it wild for you to think like just any character that you play or anything like can really impact somebody that a while yeah like naming their child off like he's pretty common name like that was specifically because she like resonated with your character yeah. It's really bad for it's great. It makes me really happy that i was able to whatever i'd i mean. There were writers. I didn't you know on the cage but <hes> you brought to life. I'm i'm glad to be able to do you have been able to be a part of them. I also think <hes> we're gonna play one more a little game and i'm going to list off the characters actors and you give me one word to describe that okay. This is a suggestion not my own idea right peyton sawyer. What am i doing. Your wants talk one word to describe them their character okay <hes> tara blonde. I i don't know i'm i'm sorry lucas brooding nathan scott too much just too many words overwhelming wonderful cz. Are we talking about the characters. Are we talking about the people the character the characters characters nathan scott <hes> goodhearted haley scott goodhart. It's brooke davis. Sorry i saw the people had great hearts to fading online yeah. This is why did improv class. 'cause i saw all well. Thank you so much for being here seriously so much for having yeah i. I hope that <hes> tune in to pearson. I'm i'm really proud of our work on the show and <hes> it's a nice long long. It's a nice slow burn to really great <hes> intense ending and a great cast and some relief spectacular writing and <hes> i get to play somebody who's grouchy and you know a little bit <hes> troubled so it's nice to have that for shake it up a bit yeah awesome. Let's wednesday nights on the u._s._a. Network at ten pm. If you wanna check it out. Thank so mind you so much. 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I never i know i never really opened them because i think it's like a big group of people but then i saw that it was your name arc light and i was like oh go back in oh my god i gotta i gotta think the scrubbers huge and i gotta thank you because here's a think scrubbers you guys show up for this might be more impressive. The people's choice awards thing is karma princess thank you i gotta say when when i brought this up last week like you guys understandably may be like confused me and there are many other people that would have been like okay thanks and then just move on but like after the show you're like okay what the handle i'm gonna message and right now and it really was like i know it's like a silly thing but like it really really did like touch my soul that like this many people cared about this thing. That wasn't a real thing. I got very passionate about but that's this is. This is a community. We're all here for each other other and it really this. This sounds like a joke but i'm being dead serious. If there's something you want and it doesn't exist you can make it exists uh-huh yeah for real like if there's a job you want and they're not hiring for it or it. Doesn't it's not a thing like god damn it. You can make it we is it do like one thing a week where people what they need what they want totally everyone makes it happen. <music> and i got home after last week and my wife senator the episode and she's like. I can't believe you weaponized the scribbling endless references. Hey he's going to be easy today with that crowd in bed with the covers franchises and i'm like allison red alert sent her a picture and she said i'm. I'm screaming silently museum. It's people's choice awards time again. Is that a thing yeah. Scrubbers are going hard nominated yes so i guess this happened last year and then we got nominated. We didn't even know yeah so what i don't know so. Do we get voted into like even being considered who did that. I do but like i know that the scrubbing and listeners even knew about that like it wasn't a new this year maybe last year it was just like a panel of people chosen this year the opening it up. I don't know maybe they should ask our friends at e who know inside scares through an email but first becca. We never got an update on your life and we'd like to do that. I had a pretty great great week. I went to newport this weekend which was really nice alley neil and haley and we we got upgraded to like this villa at the pelican hill resort so cute. It was like literally a home like we wanted. We were like we could stay a whole week because it was just like a house into the poll we drank. It was awesome. I i literally have i'm having pain in my lower right abdomen that i literally have convinced myself. I might have been decide us but i think it's just like my body is like can can you please give me a break from eating the worst food ever by the way offended. Scientists say they've always kind of been baffled as to what causes that but they do say diet plays a major role really so this isn't new monday of me trying to eat better so i i had a black coffee and one of those like fr- like cold protein bars that are supposed to be like good for you the kind that go bad if you don't eat them because that one yeah that's good so i'm like just trying to like ease is up. Also all my pants don't anymore so i'm just like really dude i after i got back from the wedding my pants. It's like you fold over on the was like i have never seen. This and i have not seen this again. Okay well all all my pants are doing right now if i can even get them buttoned and they fold over and then it's just like uncomfortable so in address today because of work so yeah that's my life update. Just large into arjun in pain and in pain can't wear pants. I gained a lot of in wisconsin so we didn't do this as a group. Let's get serious like i'm trying to think what because i was thinking. We talked about it in newport. We are all let's have a competition and whoever ever let's like everyone sets a goal for what they want to get to and whoever gets to it gets the closest and a certain amount of time wins but i couldn't think of this. This is really sad. I couldn't think of anything that would motivate me enough to be. I'm going to have to win this. How about your health. I know but we're lee that doesn't do. I'm more like traumatized for like my health like. I was like wow i can really just like. I don't really love competitions because it's not about like losing a certain amount of pounds. It's like my body looks and feel sometimes like i'm all about that too like i don't even believe in scales because i think it's how you feel and how your a close fit like. It's not necessarily like the number but man my clothes. Aren't you know pounds. I feel like the adult totally but i definitely i mean i. I was talking to my other our friend crystal this morning and she was like i just have to change something because like i don't feel i feel like my brain's foggy ville tired. I'm like i i get it and now tanya tried my diet and she felt that way to like for days totally and i think it was a combination of me having bekker's diet for a day and then when when i went to the newport wedding i also like eight doughnuts and things that aren't really in my wheelhouse and really has affected me like ah pants are rolling down our pants really drinking more because like when you're dating you're drinking a little bit more and so it's just it's all hitting me and i just i actually today monday. I started my like back in the swing of things. I might try your diet for a week or something. I don't know that can do this almonds for a snack. You can do other other things. I can give you other things than almost okay. Yeah i almost every day i their minor like unsalted and salted. I'm quite sure of it but do they get healthy got a gre healthy almonds but he's not unhealthy right it. Just blow to you but like it's not like it's doing anything right. My body reacts crazy at assault. That's the only reason why i don't eat a lot. I saw blood pressure too but i think the jury is out on salt. As far as the benefits are badness yeah yeah. I want to get this email from an anonymous emailer. She says younger sisters and two guys guy number one deep friendship with him and she always tells me that he's the best friend in listener. The problem not very sexually attracted to him guy number two strong physical connection but he lacks deep emotional connection. He can't seem to talk about the hard stuff. He blows him off with a compliment laugher joke that won't even get into it but younger sisters been consistently asking for my advice wondering if i should tell her to ditch both guys and find someone in the future where she can have both a strong physical and emotional connection. What's our advice sounds like hannah be with tyler well jad before. We knew that cheated member. She was like her physical. Connection with tyler was so strong but she's like. I don't know if the emotional there and then she was like the motions was there and i think both but then he was like cheater. I feel there's a lot that we didn't get to see because i'm like. Where does this emotional connection jed like <music>. Hi say you tell your sister you can have both things these guys are not the end all be all of your life if you had to pick one who you picking and choosing choosing choosing the emotional because i think at some point you grow into this emotional love and i think you the physical will hopefully come whereas you can find the physical. I find that i think you can't sell like don't settle like you can have both that's too. She doesn't gauges or anything here but you can. You can find both in one package if you had to choose one of these guys. It's definitely guy number. One yeah 'cause like eventually. You're going to be old and you don't. I wanna be with someone who you don't have an emotional connection. Nothing sounds worse to me freed. Oh exactly when you're ninety. The physical connection not going to be a strong. They're going to have like saggy batman saggy but you need to make sure his brain is as special as what used to be yeah. I'll never forget that. I'll never forget that episode of sex city when samantha's like dating that like much older man but she's like the way he touches me is like not like a. I don't know hollywood. Let's just say ninety was not like a ninety year old man and like their their brain like the way they spoke and stuff was good and then he they had sex and he turned around walked the bathroom and his boat which is down the trigger and she's like out though advice. Hey we're going to san francisco san briscoe. I'm excited another like playing with a only an hour storyline eastern mich and his love of the san francisco giants well yeah i mean i'm <hes> i'm from santa cruz california some hometown team is the san francisco giants and <hes>. There's a a nice scrubbing in fam- that works there at the office. They invited us up to do the show from there. Are you an influence or eastern. Things are really happening through your your words on the i i mean i'm a man of passion what i'm so passionate about. I need you to speak up for me for we'll think about that. Go ahead. No go just gonna mentioned that he was trying to milwaukee brewers and janet kramer and michael costin who do a different podcast winedown. They gave me an autograph baseball bat for my birthday days the nicest thing. How do they know we're go for here because her husband used to play. He's a professional athletes <music> in the athletic world. Yeah i was blown away by this because you know a lot of gifts from co workers which is he's fine. I mean that's required but the fact that they went to such effort and thought that was signed by robin yount the greatest milwaukee brewer of all time and clearly like with a sharpie. He liked the real there. I mean this was really great of them and i was so touched by this them to even think to get me. Anything is very retouching thoughtful. Does he know how what's the connection most of come up. I don't remember but it must have come up at some point. <hes> soak was he. If the he's up about baseball but still really the world no one okay that's a world beyond the of the dodgers ping pong tournament the kershaw challenge or whatever that i didn't go to this year but two years before that i have been partners with cody bellinger and we lost like midway through through and he won this year part with cody bellinger wow two years in a row. He's possibly the best player in major league baseball right now. It is twenty three. It's incredible yeah anyone. This year without me says partner kershaw who puts on the challenge <hes> yeah to athletes together seems unfair normally. There's like professional ping pong players there so i'm like were you doing there. I'm really ping pong club. Are you yeah. I didn't know louis yeah well. We have to the hotel via san francisco for taking care of us while we're up there in san francisco now so if you want to come to the game playing the padres and we're doing a doing doing a podcast from there. It's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm really excited about san francisco adventure on our flight. I'm going to pull imagine instagram poll of because a lot of messages about this. I guess you mentioned too last week about people who put ear buds in on planes airbus equal. Don't talk to me or does it equal. I'm too shy but but i want to talk to oh i would ear buds and if you're too shy person talks to me better for my ear buds. I know what i'll do due to get them to talk to me up at my ear our message to the world whether you learn on a plane ear buds are i'm doing doing my own thing. We're going to take it to this evening. I'm doing my own. It can also mean. I'm a little intimidated. I'm traveling alone so i'm gonna put my ear buds in but i would love to chat no. I'm just gonna go ahead and let you know you know how this polls are. Gonna go. I do know it's going to go my way you this way. Ah our flight to san francisco will how 'bout you sit in its neck. Unfortunately we won't be able to sit together but you do you pick a seat with someone. Who is there your phone's. You're a social experiment yeah. I just talked to them and see or we can have somebody in between us. You're in the window. I'm an alum. Have somebody in between us okay away with headphones in great great done. I'm putting my earphones and a not tall gauging so i'll engage with my new friend okay before we end the show i want to say i posted this thing. I put a text back. I say like beca because i have really exciting news to share with turn over well. Every time tony attacks me. She goes becca. I get marked from her but it's like you. The go between like do i answer. Is it exciting like i'm busy but like do i need to be here. It's kind of like the boy who cried wolf selected as i suppose a screen shot of this and she says do we think tanya has serious news or is telling me that apple she bought the farmers market were delicious uh-huh and i'm here to say i thought the news was actually pretty like what what was it. It was that sent your butterfly. It does not have instagram. Well not active on instagram <hes> yeah. There's nothing better than that right. It was big news. Ooh yeah it was. It was big news but sometimes it's not. I'm trying to save it for bigger news but i got one august eighth. I don't remember taylor swift. No it wasn't that big. Mark and i wrote back high because i don't know how to respond to that. Can you give me an update on a date you went on. I know like you panic. You're like hold on. Let me see who who's august eighth. That must have even senior. I got one. You said it was great. It's a lovely. Let's keep expectations low and you called me a dick. Ah this is how i respond though goes becca and i just say tania and then she goes so he texts me after dinner with his friends and said one meet beat up for a nightcap and i was like okay that's awesome and then this one. I really gave her a reaction. She said ed becca and i said in all caps. Tell me yeah that's what i need from. You just don't have it all the time okay yeah why not just skip to the why do you need to do the introduction. She wants me. She knows i'm going to respond if it seems urgent and i need her by her phone like i need to know that she's like active. I see you can't just say hey just ask before a nightcap right jump to that wreck because you didn't know she's engaged. Yes if you say becca at six hours. It's a lot though just saying no. It's why i like like i was texting my friend chris about this car. Ask chris information with all kinds of stuff. I mean this. This is awesome. Talk to somebody. Jump into it. That's true i i. I don't like how i feel like. I'm in trouble all through high right like it's like we need to suck yeah. <hes> i'm tony. I have bad news shows over oh for another week another week down. Are are you going to be okay. Let me find any future plans by the senior question no none <hes> you know what i think it's fine. I'm not worried about yeah because you know you each want to see each other. What will happen yeah monday. He's goes in some self help books bill when you stay the night was when for the first time do you wake up and brush your teeth four you like he wakes up yeah alright. Try to just drink tons of water. I feel like water can really like clean your mouth out. If you're taking the time drink the water monitor. Just brush your teeth because it's like getting up sometimes he says what are you guys <hes> <hes> when i first got into my relationship i would get up and brush my teeth and then get back to appear perfect my hair. I was like i would it'd be like wow you're listening. Mazel makeup on everything just like kind of fix. My hair puts perfume spread this perfume. It's not it's like fairmont spray so it's not necessarily perfume. It's like subtle but it's like oh wow fresh. I need that fairmount spray. It's good stuff yeah. I need to do that off. Let us know what's going on. Yeah and i'm sure we'll get into with seacraft as well like the name. Send your butterfly okay. It's cute. It's cute. I love loves things in your. You've not listened to kiss f._m. Correct have you asked about listen describing it with tanya and becker no but i don't even know if he'd like. Can i ask a a question. Why do you ask them not to listen. If anything that would make me on if you just didn't say anything i want it because it comes up in conversations not like i'm just like randomly like don't listen like why even say don't listen just be better that is you at the height of your powers. He should hear you at the height of your powers but here's the thing thing that you don't understand me talking like i'm talking to my girl. I'm talking to my girlfriend's. These are conversations that the person that you're dating shouldn't be listening tune some extent you choose to do it on a public platform. What i'm saying is that he probably wouldn't even think of listening to it. If you didn't say don't listen well also. He needs to be aware of that being thing because that's always going to be a thing. I know i need to be fine with it but i'm sure he will be right forbidding him as weird well. What's done is done. I guess so but i do like him hearing the height of your power. I think that's a really good thing but then you hear everybody's opinion in and like everybody has an opinion about something towards freaking out that we're not ending this show. I'm watching her back their class for next week. Sure what would you like. 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Melina Abdullah

Work in Progress with Sophia Bush

2:24:21 hr | 1 year ago

Melina Abdullah

"Hi Everyone Sophia. Bush here welcomed a work in progress where I talked to people who inspire me about how they got to where they are and where. They think they're still going doctor. Melina Abdullah is an expert on race gender class social events. She was part of the original group of organizers NIZER's who formed black lives matter. She's also a professor and chair of Pan. African studies at Cal State University Los Angeles. I was beyond honored to have her come on work in progress to talk about the moment. The black lives matter. Movement came together white privilege and our responsibility to fight racism how and where these systems originated her reading recommendations and so much more. She is brilliant and challenging. Thought provoking and I know we're all GONNA learn so much from listening so I want to jump right in getting that we were talking about before I realized this I should have pushed record. There's an article in the land magazine. And they wrote that you have quote become the scourge of with the lapd a CO founder of the Los Angeles chapter of black lives matter and a member of the group's national leadership team you are perhaps the most vocal visible and effective have critic of law enforcement in all of Los Angeles for the past four years. You have organized. The grieving families of people killed by police or who died in police custody into a formidable the group of advocates seeking deep changes to policing in La to me that reaches very high compliment easy to okay. They were scorgeous charged. But do feel kind of like a badge of honor at this point absolutely absolutely when we think about what. LAPD LAPD is you know. I love the idea that I'm one of the most vocal critics right at may need to be criticized they need to be transformed and and that only comes by lifting our voices doing work to do that. So yeah yeah that's A. It's a high honor. Yeah in prep for this going through and looking at the stats of the number of people who die at the hands of the police in this city and now it's higher than in cities like X.. Chicago it's higher than in cities like New York. It's it's something that I don't know that everyone is really aware of what what kind of crisis for the citizenry. Henry of L. A.. This problem is and it's an interesting topic to discuss. But what I realize is that so often in circles like our overlapping circles. Were analyzing the problem of a system and in other circles where this topic comes up. People people really feel personally attacked. It turns into while my uncle's aqap in a good guy or you know there's a lot of people who sacrificed to to be in uniform warm weather it's in the police force and military service or whatever and I'm curious because of your level of expertise at looking at the broken Nisa a system and the historical problems of a system that have been passed down to modern day but I think so. Many people aren't aware of and I want to get into that with you too. How do you get people to analyze the system and what the system does to even the quote? Oh good guys who volunteer. Who get swept up in? It fits a huge question I think number one we start start with the people who are most directly impacted and so for black lives matter you know A lot of people think that like the term black lives matter is meant for Non Black folks to see our humanity. But it's not it's black lives matter as a rallying cry it's for black people to understand our own power and black people people. I don't think any black person I know is any way Duped into believing that the police are here to protect and serve US right so I think getting people to stand up getting my people to stand up I write is hugely important. Fortin right so there's not a whole lot of convincing that needs to be done other than you know policing as we know it hasn't always been and so that means it can be changed right policing that as we know it is a system that somebody invented and where people who can disrupt it and so I think that that's the biggest part is is recognizing our own power. We're talking about systems and structures and institutions. But I think for black people in regular neighborhoods like I live in the Crenshaw Crenshaw district right black people in my neighborhood it's not we don't have to think about structures and institutions and systems in like like some theoretical way you know what it means when the current LAPD chief Michael Moore says he wants police on every street. Rick Corner at every bus stop at every church Pew and every Barstool and we know that's a bad thing like when you see now on crenshaw I usually see you're starting to see like two officers per busta. Just standing there with their hands on their belts that feels like an occupation does not make Carr's feel safe and so we don't have to explain the system to other black people because we all feel the same thing and not to centralize us but I think that our collective experiences with police you know tell listen inform us in a I think that kind of wisdom in that kind of expertise is the most valuable valuable. So can we walk back. I'd like to know about how the mission as black lives matter. Karen black lives matter L. A. began because you have been an advocate. You are an organizer you are professor. You are an academic and I'm a Mama and your two wonderful kids and your face lights when you and I have so much fun when when I read profiles of you and there's always a mention of what the kids are up to and I love it because I feel like I'm getting the picture painted but I'm curious how this all began because I became aware of you already as the leader in the movement and as an advocate and and for people listening we. Finally we got to meet years ago at the La Women's March and they were like. Hey you're going to introduce me Abdollah and I was like what and I I remember when I was like what and I remember running up to you and being like hey this is crazy. I WanNa talk to you about about everything that you do and figure out how to how to be there you know supporting and anything. Can I just run you through my remarks really quick. 'cause I WANNA make sure they're okay to you and it was really sweet l.. You're so generous. I just was like you know there are all these things I feel like. It's really important to say. And it is an interesting thing as as activists in my own space and an advocate to try to figure out how to be a proper birther supporter and ally for my neighbors and for communities of color and and also not to like be a basic white girl who says the wrong thing. I'm just like I don't know so I asked you all of the questions. And and you are so lovely and gave me the confidence to walk up on that stage and just be like the only reason that we're here and the only reason there's been any progress has been because of black women and if we don't start following them the way we should have always been were stupid. I didn't use those words exactly. But that's the truth and and then you came up on stage you know with a whole crew in your family and you gave the most rousing speech. There was amazing and Yeah I just. I feel like we've been teammates for a long time now. So that's that's where where you and I first connected and you are this incredible icon in the community and and I'm wondering how from the inception of black lives matter to speaking to seven hundred and fifty thousand people in the streets of the women's March March had is that all get started for people who don't know the story so I don't think I'm an icon. I appreciate that I am. You are Ma'am the I mean I'm just like even when you said you know expertise in this. I'm not like I'm just I am just Emma Right. I am just I have three children and I have a million spirit children right and I'm a community member and Mama's daughter and my grandmother's granddaughter daughter and you know my grandfather thought I could walk on water and so all of that is in me and I I feel I believe I know that it's I use a term called sacred duty right. It's our sacred duty to not not simply sit by as our people are oppressed and degraded and killed and so I have a loud mouth and my mother taught me like never be quiet right. Never just sit there and take it right and you know. That's one of the things I really appreciated about our meeting. Is You know I I. Don't watch a Lotta TV right. So I knew your name but I didn't you know watch TV right. But what I loved about you is one the UH authenticity with which you approached me but to that it wasn't a one time thing that it was. Well how can we what can I do. How can I use my platform? What what feels good in terms of what I share and I know like we have a whole bunch of friends in common and everybody everybody kind of reports back on their work with you and I just think it's really powerful beautiful when people say I feel like like you've never said these words but I feel like you've said that it's also my sacred duty? It's my duty one of the chance we use them. Black lives matters. It is our duty to the fight for freedom. It is our duty to win. We must love him. Protect one another. We have nothing to lose but our chains and I feel like you've embraced that this idea that we can't can't just accept the world as it's handed to us and as those who are in it for greed and greater power and kind of the hoarding of resources that expensive everyone else right. They don't get to decide how the world is going to move. We get to decide how the world is going to move in so I love that you've stepped into that and you know. I like the term teammates that were teammates in this work. That's so kind. Thank you that just that might chest feels like it's going to explode and I do. I do identify so deeply with term term sacred duty and think about how the fuel I talked my friend Glennon all the time we talk about sacred rage that like fire in you that refuses to be quiet in the face of injustice is sacred rage. That is a fuel source. That never runs Out and I think we have to press toward the things that light that for us and it is not okay whether whether we're talking about the hoarding of resources are disparities in healthcare or the disparate experiences of different communities and those experiences being based based solely on what those communities look like this is. This is not okay right. How could any of us not be enraged? You know none of us is free. To all of us are free the the the the ugly intertwining of the oppression of communities of color in the oppression of women. You know we even in the most conservative circles does in America. You hear people criticizing Communities around the globe that they view to be threatening or you know they say well terrorists come from X. and it's like well what do they have in common. The oppressed poor people and women They destroy education system so that they can promote fundamentalist the ideology that is dangerous and inherently patriarchal right. Hello look in the mirror sir. Do you not see that you're doing that here. In in ways that are unique to our own country in our own experience. And it is. It's our duty to stand free each other absolutely absolutely. So how does it start. How does is the stand start in La because you were among the original group of organizers who formed black lives matter and back in twenty thirteen what what is the landscape? What happens and what did your life look like at the time? Yeah so I mean. I've always been one who's not quiet right But I've also never been a real joyner like I don't like joining organizations right. I always feel like the deeper. You get into something more for like the drama unfolds and so I just preferred to kind of move and would be a part of different movements but not really deep and July thirteenth two thousand thirteen. That's the day George. Zimmerman was acquitted in the murder of Trayvon Martin and Trayvon was not the first black boy to be killed by you know white supremacist or wannabe white. Supremacist because Zimmerman's also oh this kind of complicated character right where he's a wannabe cop. He's a wannabe neighborhood. Watchman he's a WanNa be white guy he's really none of those do things right but he's kind of exhibiting like drawing power from his proximity to it right and so the murder order of Trayvon in many ways it's like the murder of Emmett till right Emmett till was not the first black boy to be lynched right but there was something special about Emmett story and there was the power of his mother Mamie till who sided to give him an open casket ascot funeral and let the world see the horror that her fourteen year old son had endured right and with trayvon and there was something about his spirit spirit like I imagine the spirit of Emmett right that it resonated like it resonated with us and you know when they they would show Trayvon's face on the news You Know Barack Obama said President Obama said if I had a son he looked like trayvon and I had a son and my son actually looks like trayvon right like not exactly but very feeling wise right like same kinda shiny face. Same Sparkling is right same innocence and also also kind of budding I kinda like A little nuttiness in my children just like life like life in their face right will mischief is so good for kids. Yeah that's the word that makes us investigative. It's thing that makes us challenge systems. It's the reason movements are born because we didn't really have to go like that right now. It's like the eight year role that wants to take a Toyota part to figure out how to put it together could become the next great engineer or the next great social activist because they want to take it apart and put it back together. And in the meantime the Frisk freight in their mother right. It's like you know I joke. I used to be a nanny and I was commanded for the best in the world and they were also like tiny terrorists were at moments I was like. Where did my sweet little children go? You're evil and then they come back to you because their kids right right. And that's what I feel like. We got with trayvon seventeen year old child he was. I don't like when they call call him a young man. He was a child right Seventeen year old child doing exactly what he should have been doing and his life was stolen and and then the state gets behind Zimmerman and says he had the right to steal the life of this boy who was ours and and I remember July thirteenth. Two thousand thirteen was a Saturday and We were watching. We were glued to the TV and in California. It was becoming evening so it means it was nighttime in Florida right and everybody on the news all the newscasters news. CASTERS are going. Well the verdicts not gonNA come in. Today it probably won't come until Monday in so I left the house I went to Carmax. I was was trying to get a new car because my family was getting bigger and I remember going into Carmax and almost as soon as I got there my brother called and he goes where you at tell him and he goes. We'll sit down 'cause you're not gonNA like it. And he said he got off in their giving giving him his gun back and like even when I don't know if it's like events of the last week but even when when when I hear that second part it the they're giving him his gun back just like hit me and I felt this fog kind kind of overtake me and grabbed my kids. Get them in the car. I go home. We didn't buy a car And at the time hi my son was three and you know my other kids are a little older and I'm getting them all together and I did. What like mothers have to do? I'm a single mom so cook. Dinner bathed my son put them all to bed and then I found somebody to sit with them. And I had these these other moms come over to my house and we kinda sat and we talked and decided to go out and there's a park in the crenshaw the district of Los Angeles landmark park which is like The Cultural Center of black. La Terribly. And I hope we can get to this. They've put up a fence. Surround it now so you can't get into the park anymore but at all at all even during the day nope So that I think has a lot to do with with the gender of the neighborhood. It's undergoing gentrification and there were helpless folks who slept in the park so they're trying to keep the house list folks out but I also think about black lives matter was burst. They're right like every protest. You can think of began in that park so we didn't need a tweet. We didn't need a tax. We didn't need nobody to call us. We knew where black people were going. We go there for a rage but we also go there. That's where we went to celebrate the election of Barack Obama right and so they fenced off the park on July thirteenth. Two thousand thirteen. The park was open and we knew that's where to go. And that's where we went and there were you you know easily. A thousand people milling around in the park. Some crying some upset some giving like impromptu speeches and I always I tell people like who were becoming activists that the first investment you need to make a bullhorn right. There's a power that comes. Whoever has the bullhorn gets it's to dictate the action and so I had the boomer and I remember there? Was this young sister there who I was talking to in this was her first time. kind of coming out and She said to me 'cause we were all talking to each other Well I don't WanNa be in this park in me the other moms or like what do you want to do and she said wow I wanna March so I grabbed the bullhorn and I go we all march and so everybody starts coming together the other and then there's this kind of this back and forth which I think is really important where some people were trying to march south down crenshaw which if you go south it gets blacker and poorer right if you go north you actually start marching towards Wilshire right which is wider and more affluent Park right exactly and so I'm like we are not marching south. 'cause if you think about like what happened in ninety ninety two they don't care if you marched south right that's whatever right so I remember you'll in on the bullhorn felt like we were Renan for freedom. I was like go north right and so we all start marching north of crenshaw and We we were kind of in the streets. Like that intuitively for about three days and on the third day of protests. We had this group like we just called. Like black community organizers. Space in there were about maybe fifteen of us one of them was Patrisse cullors and I was in that space as well. And so we have become really friends and comrades that space and Patrice had been in conversation with Alicia Garza who I didn't know at that time and Opal Committee and a Lisa hit put this letter online and she signed it black lives matter and so while we were doing this intuitive work they were talking about how to build a movement not a moment so on the third day of protest. I remember exactly where I was I was it was the first freeway shutdown of the black lives. Matter era right so we were marching north of crenshaw boys probably younger than Trayvon decided we had basically adopted a philosophy. This is why the northern pattern was important of disrupting spaces of white effluence right. So we're not going to disrupt south south. La We're going to disrupt the spaces that we see as responsible for the murder of trade and so there were these boys and I remember seeing their eyes Dart back came forth to each other and they launched onto the off ramp of the ten freeway and all these thousands of people followed them right and my oldest daughter. WHO's a hell of organizer in our own right? She was eight at the time. She's maybe she was nine. She's fifteen now so we're six years Zolt so she must have been nine she goes. Come on mom. Let's get on the freeway and I have like my three year old son in a stroller and I'm a courageous ages. Mom but I'm not crazy right so I'm like we ain't getting on the freeway and so we stood at the overpass and I took some pictures at wound up like going viral and right after after I took the pictures I get this text and it originated with Patrice in it said to meet and it said meet at nine PM at Saint Elmo's village which bright which is this black artists community and so we did and it was the third night and we gathered in this beautiful artists village allege that is set up like an African village with this space in the centre and we circled up in the about thirty of US including some of the MOMMAS. I including a bunch of my students who had called out into the streets and then a bunch of Patrice is beautiful artists and organizer friends and end. We committed to building a movement not a moment now at the time we didn't know what that Mitts but it was a commitment that we may like like from our souls and it felt like because we were under the you know it was dark and the stars and I imagine the moon was full. I don't know that for sure but in my memory memory it feels like it right like it also felt you felt this ancestral presence right and that was the birth of black lives matter and from that day forward. We continue to organize I think it took us two or three days to Organize denies the first planned march of lack lives. Matter which we did an in Beverly Hills we marched down Wilshire from last Yennega and Wilshire all the way down to Rodeo and Wilshire and those folks thought they were like what's happening in fact they were uttering those words what's going on right we Shutdown that pretty woman mall and did a lot of work and that was it was the birth of it. When when you talk about this intuitive knowing that you have to go north to you have to disrupt these affluent fluent white spaces to make a statement because it's not the community south on crenshaw right not the community that is suffering from The death of their sons at greater numbers than the communities. You disrupt it. That needed to be disrupted. I I know that there will be some people who hear this and wonder what that means. Who say you know some people who will wonder what that means and who might say you know there were people driving down Wilshire that day going? What's going on like tell us what's happening? Who would assume I have nothing to do with that? Ah You know I don't support what happened with TRAYVON's killing I. I don't think that George Zimmerman should have been given his gun back how how to people who might not understand what you mean by that. Do you educate on disrupting that system. Him and how that system even a community on Los Hannigan Wilshire how their system is supporting the system. That let George Zimmerman off. Yeah yeah so a couple of things one. Most of you are responsible right if we think about like the majority of white people voted for trump. Right so you're you're responsible all of this that's going on is your fault right and so there is a direct responsibility right but even if you go will. I didn't vote for trump right. You know I give money to black lives matter right. They're still a responsibility while one there there is a the weight of blackness in this country is not something that can just be born by black people right so oh. The philosophy of disrupting white. Affluent spaces is about the fact that I say I'm not scared scared of anything and I'm not right but I'll say that I'm very anxious about my son and specifically we my son but I you know I. I'm concerned for all my children. But specifically my son who's now nine who I'm starting to see his shoulders get broad right and he was talking to me today and I was like his voice is a little deeper like he's not going through puberty yet but he's growing going into he's not a baby right and I feel like as he continues to grow the target on his back. It's bigger and I don't know white moms feel that about their sons and so it can't just be a weight that I carry right. I need you to care as much as I care and so you will never know what it's like to be a black mom however as long as these kinds of injustices happen happen in our communities. You don't get to just go in quietly brunch right. You don't get to just go to Disneyland or go. All to the Grove we liked disrupting the growth. Or you know. Have your meal quietly and say I'm not responsible because you are responsible danceable and you know. Part of what they're experiencing is a white privilege. That just comes from Whiteness. Even if you didn't ask for written right and so it becomes your responsibility. I think who is that. WHO said that Gillaibrand right when she said it it's white people and specifically she talked about white suburban MOMS right? It's not just black people's responsibility to handle racism racism right. It's your responsibility. You built this racist system. And if you didn't personally so what you're still benefiting from it and I think that the benefit and this idea that you can divest from what's personal and what isn't especially for white people is dangerous driss and needs to be analyzed because I loved what Gillibrand said she Scott Frank and she said look I'm not saying you're lives haven't Edmund Heart if you live in one of those rural communities that has lost its hospital whose jobs have shutdown whether it's the steel plant or the coal mine or whatever. Those those people are struggling. No question need help. But none of their struggle is because of the color of their skin right. It is not one of the things that has made their life harder. It is not not one of the things that makes mom's afraid to send their sons to school. It is not one of the things that means that black boy buying. BB Gun at Walmart gets shot in the back by police officer and a white boy with an assault rifle at Walmart who murders twenty people gets taken peacefully right. This is this is crazy right and and these are just facts facts and I think if we can start to look at the facts and not have this like weird base reaction of like. But I'm a good person. I have nothing to do that. It's like if your if that's your response. Then there's something in you that you're worried about or you have some sort of fear that you lar quote unquote worse than you claim to be or whatever and one of the things when we talk about the beneficiaries of the system them that I would love to unpack with you is the generational inheritance system because I think and I blame the degradation of our education system for a lot of this. You know while we were trying to make progress with civil rights and the women's rights movement and you know Gloria Dorothy were like speaking speaking and marching and doing all the things the GOP has been going after the education system for a long time. They've taken civics out of schools. They've let schools become religious religious. And teach you know said that isn't based on fact. I mean things that are dangerous to the public health of a population and when we lose our history we make the same mistakes aches and so for me diving into what is historical inheritance. Look like what wealth was allowed to be created for white people is landowners as people who were able to get mortgages. Where're mortgage lenders redlining? What communities couldn't be lent to what after you know the Great Migration Shen and the populace the populations of black people moving further into the north where white people ignorantly think will then they were just free? It's like no they weren't. They were pushed into ghettos. They were denied any sort of services any sort of healthcare any sort of safety long after what we consider freedom freedom to mean and when you look at the generational denial of wealth versus the generational support of wealth creation. And when you look at that generational inheritance of the energy of the police system which I've learned through conversation most people who look like me don't know that the police system literally comes from the system of slave catchers right people don't know that slave catchers became police and that and that horrific part of American history laid the pattern for a modern system that it people go. Well that's not possible but there's generational behavior in that system that is proven. I don't care what side of the line you fall on here. The data proves it's dangerous for communities of Color to have interactions with the police. Right in fact the data says if you WANNA keep black people safe from police violence the most important thing you can do is to limit the interactions. It's the number of interactions actions. It's not implicit bias. Training it's not a community policing. It's not the diversity of the officers and it's it's black people just should not have interactions with the police events that we stay safe from them and it's interesting to me diversity of officers. It doesn't affect the outcome of our communities of color right. Even officers of color are dangerous to communities of color. What do we do with all this? How do we unpack back? Some of this generational reality to educate people on how to change the modern day system. Right well I think it's one really important that we have the conversation about you know generational inheritance right and I always feel like so by training. I'm a political scientist right so like these debates and all this stuff is great for me. I love tuning into this stuff right but I'm having problems keeping up with twenty candidates right and at first I was going to get these people off the stage. Who are these people right? But this is the first time ever that I've had candidates who really inspired me right. I've had I've heard candidates who are talking about things things that are really important right not just the nuances of a healthcare system. Which I believe in Medicare for all right but I don't want to spend all all the time talking about how that's GonNa work right there? Also I think it's important that Marianne Williamson on that stage and that she was courageous enough to bring up. What reparations look like an she referred to it as a debt that is owed to black people a debt that that is old and she's not the first person who said this? My dissertation was almost on reparations. But if we think about organizations like in Cobra and people like Randall Robinson and I know more recently people are looking at tiny. He coats his work. You know they've been saying that. In fact Randall Robinson's book is called the debt right. I think it's really important that we have this conversation. And if we think about it's not just individual so this is where a lot of white folks get nervous right because they thank you gonna come take my stuff and I don't know if you cuss on here but I want to do all the talk. They say they're gonNA come. Take our shit right. That's not what it's about right. It's not just about you as an individual. Although you do it right individually right you owe a debt so we always say in terms of the Black Freedom Movement. Everybody needs to be involved in. They need to be giving their voice their body in their resources. You do awesome awesome resource right and so there is an individual responsibility but the bigger responsibility is that there are in higher industries that are built built on the backs of my ancestors we think about the insurance industry right thing about. Why do you think companies are called state farm and farmers right what what is that? They were insuring slave owners for the runaways. Deaths of their property their chattel right and so st farm. All know what it's worth but it's a multibillion dollar company. They owe us right. This country owes us. This country is built on stolen land of indigenous people in stolen Labor of black people. They owe us so when Marianne Williamson says you know at least two hundred to five hundred billion dollars in the debt is really in the trillions. Right that's a conversation that we need to have And more than conversation. It's something that we need to be pushing for. Because it is like she said in like Randall Robinson said before her a debt. That's old well and when you start to look at it as a denial of equitable resource right. It would be the same as if today. I got a job same job qualifications and amount of work as as this guy over here. So it's me and it's the guy in over the next twenty years I'm held back. I'm denied raises. I'm denied promotions. Denied the the same health benefits and this guy gets every single benefit promotion bigger package bonus. And we've done. We've done this work yet. I'm here and he's advanced here. And he's created wealth for his family and I've been unable to create any right and it's that same spread head in a much more horrifically traumatic way and for generations for these communities and that is something something that I think. A lot of people have a hard time wrapping their heads around and people. I hear because you know I read the good and the bad online because I need to understand where everyone's coming from as a bit of a immature social scientists and people who. Don't get the reparations conversation. Say Well we we have nothing to do with what happened two hundred years ago. And it's like you're missing the point that there have been these bell curves that have come out of what happened. And we've all ignorantly or consciously supported them and supported the ramifications thousands. And we've got to do something about it. We've got even out the system in some way to give people a a fair shake and a fighting chance and you know when Marianne says two to five hundred billion and I'm like well we just gave six hundred billion dollar surplus to the military right right so we have the money. You're just telling me we don't have it for people or we don't have it for healthcare or we don't have schools for communities color. We don't have never you. We have it. It's it's about what we're investing in. And why aren't we investing in each other right. Well I think also that was a great great explanation especially as related to how defacto slavery continued after eighteen. Sixty five right but if we think about wrote from sixteen nineteen to eighteen sixty five or what's happening with a wholesale theft of black labor right and black people right I and Hayman's and human beings right and what that means economically is it's like you took generations of wealth. It's like if you're a great. Let's say was your great great great great grandparents right. They took my great great great. Great eight grandparent's stuff. They came in and robbed their house. Right made everything that they had and then they died but they passed on everything thing that they had to your great great great grandparents and then they built up even more stole from my great grandparents and then they pass that onto in your great great grandparents. Yes and then eventually you inherited and you say I had nothing to do with it. No but you still got myself right right and how it plays out now and this is how we can get to the gentrification peon right is so I have I I live in the Crenshaw Crenshaw district which at the time I moved into my neighborhood was about eighty to eighty five percent of my neighborhood is now about sixty percent black. And so there's these white folks moving in in our home prices now. I'm telling way too much of my business but when when I bought it I was married at the time. Two of us with college degrees and fairly good jobs were spent every penny we had to buy. The House that was was at the time. Three hundred thousand dollars right. That's all we get. We can't spend more than three hundred thousand dollars but we're relatively middle-class black. The people who did that and bought this house for three hundred thousand dollars the houses in my neighborhood or now going for a million and a half and I'm going there is no way even if I were still married I would not be able to buy this house right but the white people who are moving in and everybody everybody who's moving in as white. They're not rich white people so like we got a social worker and a teacher who just moved in down the street three right. How did you get that house right? And I don't ask them that way right but as our children play together there's conversations Sion's about the father gets a he gets an actual allowance. He's in his forties. He gets allowance from his father. A bunch of these folks are getting these you know help with the down payment right A thousand dollars a month from some relatives give somebody died and left them something. My family doesn't have that and so this is how we see kind of this wealth disparity verity kind of play out the theft of black wealth. Play out in terms of gentrification and I think so many people when they think about wealth or inherited wealth off. Assume that you have to be a rockefeller to be inheriting wealth. And it's like that isn't what the conversation is what you're talking about when a family can offer our down payment support to their kids who are in their thirties or forties fat is afforded by this generational experience that was offered to one community and in stolen from another absolutely. And we're not saying that you shouldn't take down payment help from your no but it's it should have been it fairness is that we all have what our families earned. Yes and I think it's really important to de personalize personalize the reality of it in a way because I don't get offended. I don't feel attacked that. Two plus two equals four. I'm not like well said to. Oh you know and and so many people who look like me in this conversation are like that but that just this is they get so upset and it's like don't be upset learn. We have to learn our history. The good the bad and the ugly and we have to figure out how to build a better system because by the way the system that is better for you is also going to be better for me. Absolute supremacy doesn't have anything for me either It has it's nothing for me. I watched sixty three percent of white women in America vote for Donald Trump. And I was like you voted for the husband. You hate for the Guy who raped you in college for the guy who assaulted you in the workplace for that piece of Shit that you go to work with every day. Who Says Disgusting Shittu you about your ass? You just voted for a man who you hate because he feels familiar to you for what to uphold the the reality of your dad or some other guy in your life. Who told you he'd take care of you or that? You deserve something or I. I don't understand like you voted so deeply against your own interests and look. I know that there was help. I know that there was bought farms running in Russian interference and stoking stoking of division and now we have the data that proves that that the the people stoking that division online. We're doing so from the extremes of both sides they were playing super conservative and Super Liberal. Just trying to pull us all apart so when I come from my highest self. I'm like I really feel for people people and I want them to do better. And when I'm like in the trenches I'm just like what the fuck rea- thinking right you know and and and I really think it's important for us for white people for White women especially to not feel attacked when asked to look in the mirror but to go. Oh that's really interesting. I can see this thing I can see regardless of how complicated my life is what I've been through the trauma I carry the assault. I survived arrived. Whatever because everybody's had it hard and to say and they're still all this stuff that exists in society? That has my back in a way the other people aren't held but what quote unquote has my back. Actually still aiming to destroy me. Yeah and if we go back to like the system estimate Chattel slavery the challenge. I think it's being issued is don't be the mistress don't be the mistress of the house right so like a lot of white eight women WanNa again. It's this proximity to power right. Say I'm better off being my husband's wife right and so I'm not going to dismantle systems of oppression but you're also being oppressed right and so in in order to ever be free you know. Maybe you get to wear the fancy dressing. You don't have to be the one to pick the cut right but you're not free free now. You're not free until you get up from the pedestal and say I'm disrupting I'm turning over this whole shit and so that's what we you want white women who do I also think that point about white supremacy having nothing for you. I think that's right like so what freedom looks like and I'm not a white woman so I can't really say from but what I imagined. Freedom looks like for white women now now is not having to I think part of that kind of white people in white women working themselves up into kind of this guilt laden protective space right. Where they're saying well? It wasn't me right. Right is about not being able to imagine more right so Tony Morrison past this morning right and end my favorite thing. That she said is dream. Before you think dream before you think and I think that as we freedom has to be an imagining it has to be a dream right and we have to think. Think about our dream out right what it would feel like to walk down the street and not have people like me women like me looking at you and I'm GonNa be straight up like the white women who are pushing a stroller walking their dogs and my neighborhood. I can't stand now personally. I might like them but when I see them and I don't know them. I'm angry because us with that comes phone calls on my kids with that. Comes police protection with that comes. Even you bringing your dog and I like dogs but what. I don't want your dog all my kids because your dog is not a person right. Your dog doesn't get to take up more space on the sidewalk. Then my children. And you were assuring me trying to assure me. Oh He's a he's a good dog. You don't get to do that and so I'm saying all that to say AH I can guess that freedom for white women means being able to walk through whatever neighborhood you move to with your dog and your stroller. There's another nothing fundamentally wrong with a dog in a stroller right without me. Feeling like I wish you weren't invading my space space. I wish you weren't here right. Not In the same way Kelly Light Oh Hernandez I hope. You've read her book but she she has wanted Goethe's her book. Comfort people listening. Oh city of inmates but a lot of her work looks at the history of settlers colonialism in this country and Dan in city of an inmate's she talks about and I feel like especially with these mass shootings right. That's the book everyone needs to read. Because is she talks about the strategy of elimination right White Supremacist Patriarchal Strategy of elimination colonial strategy of elimination the nation. And so. When I say you know I wish these white dog walkers weren't in my neighborhood right except the ones that are now my my friends were but again if I can just say that's the difference between a system in an individual right system you are witnessing being an encroachment in what felt like a safe space and that feels like a signification that oppression is coming for you in your safe space and every one of those women who you know you're like oh she's cool right and that's the difference like Herlin higher coral right but I I don't i? It does not feel like we're cool or we're friends when I talk about Whiteness. We have to be able to separate the two. You have to and thank you for being vulnerable enough right now to say because a lot of people wouldn't say like yeah this thing that's happening in my neighborhood bugs me but I think so important to be able to say this is the thing that is triggering and this is what it leads to. And let's talk about. What what colonization has always looked and also I really like my neighbors I write? Both things can be true at the same time. And I think people who are afraid of having these conversations think it's because they're going to have to pick a side or it's GonNa turn into a war or they're gonNA feel attacked or like you said like you're coming for my shit or like you're coming for me that isn't it right. We have to almost almost academically be willing to look at the. We have to look at the social experiment. We have to look at the system and figure out how to make it better so I really appreciate you sharing that thank you thank you. Yeah Yeah and so. Yeah that that sums it up that that feeling sums it and if I can offer something as I'm hearing you tell that story I'm going. Oh right what's interesting is. I've never been in any neighborhood but I've ever lived in whether it's all over Los Angeles whether it was living at down at USC and being down in you know off of of crenshaw whether it was living in the south I lived all I lived in North Carolina. I lived in Chicago. I've never been in a place where I felt like somebody on the sidewalk wasn't safe So I've always felt safe so I've always been the one out walking the dog like what's up neighbor like it. 'cause it's the neighborhood right but that is where my privilege comes in Where someone on? The sidewalk has never posed a threat to me. Someone on the sidewalk has never been a person. WHO's GONNA call the police on my for this for the sake of this argument my hypothetical children like and so? That's not a thing I've ever had to think about right but what I will say is since two thousand thirteen. Since these conversations have come to the forefront since I have tried hi to sit at the feet of women like you in my community and learn how to be a better community member. I'm very conscientious. UNSHIPPED when I'm out on a walk when I'm out anywhere I am so conscious of what my interactions look like with people of Color in my community I I no longer have the privilege of being the aloof person. Who's like on my phone and doesn't make eye contact with people? And because I now know I know from conversations like this a girlfriend of mine lives in Venice and has lived there for ten years and we were talking about the way Venezia's really gentrified and she said you know now. The difference in our experience is that you could walk down. Abbott Kennedy. Go to Jelena's take out and get a coffee in the morning and if nobody looked at you nobody would look. Look at you and you'd be like everybody's tired she's like if I walked on Abbott Kennedy go to Gte to get a coffee and none of the twelve people pass makes eye contact with me. I I think is this because I'm tired or is this because I'm a black woman right. And when she said that's me I was like Holy Shit right there are. There are adjusts circumstances that there are hoops. You jump through in your body that I never will understand so it is my duty eh to learn and to make sure that I'm very conscientious of WHO's around me. And how I am either. Ignorantly ignorantly isolating or consciously welcoming I keep playing with the idea so one of my one of my best friends. This is wait one of my best friends. Molly we always play around about. You know how to address things and the reason. We're so tight is because I can just talk about you know shit and I say you know what we should write. I should write our. I should write something about like how to out or not be agenda fire right like just basic shit like when I was walking with my kids the other day in the neighborhood there was is this white guy who's time it was a white guy with a dog and he looked at me and I and said hey how you doing and me and my kids all went you know like it was. I'm sure he heard US gasp. And I'm like that's how to be a white neighbor. Not Engender Fire Right. I didn't know him but he saw. Aw He he also pulled his dog off of the sidewalk so it didn't take up space for my children and I thought that was like I'm like he could could teach a class. He needs to teach a class. I think the point I was GonNa make because I had lost track of where I was going with this gentrification piece his around the settler colonialism stuff that Kelly writes about in city of inmates right. That when I say I wish we just had our own space. I miss the eighty five percent. Black neighborhood right. It's about establishing what you call it like an holding adding on to what you called safe-space right space where I know none of my like a remember. When I first moved in the teenagers across the street were happened the fence and my I natural instinct was to go? Hey what you doing. Why are you happen offense right? Somebody else's instinct would be to call the police because young black men are probably breaking into a house right. They turned out to be. I had just moved in. Didn't know the kids that live there and they had locked themselves. How right so it feels safe to me? Because I know that my kids when they're happened the fence or going in the back door doing whatever the black neighbors are going to go. Do you live there. And Ninety nine point nine percent of the time they know them. So they'll say are you locked out. Want me to call your mom. You know something like that. So that's what we're trying to establish but when gentrify and move into our neighborhood I have one neighbor who I'm tight with now who WHO said I remember driving up here and I drive down Washington and look down the street and I'd say that's a totally undiscovered neighborhood? Yeah makes an undesirable who this yeah. Christopher Columbus like what what does that mean we lived here. What are you talking about undiscovered and so this whole idea of manifest destiny like contemporary manifest? Destiny gentrification is really like urban colonialism right is also entrenched in this settler colonial. Idea that that I think is tied back. I'm a little disturbed about the conversations as they're unfolding. I hope that we can disrupt them somehow. Around these mass murders. The acts of white supremacists terrorism in them. Boiling it down two. Oh it's just a overwhelming sense of hate. No they're not driven by hate. They're driven by greed and entitlement and the idea that white people own in this country. If you read what they're now calling the screed by the El Paso Murderer Ryan. He quotes trump over and over and over again invasion trump over and over and over again but he also says now. I know. You'RE GONNA say that I'm hypocritical because when I talk about the invasion what do native read the whole thing. What do native Americans would say that about Europeans? But I've learned my lesson from native Americans that you can't allow. I don't WanNa be quote too much. But his whole idea what he's driven given by is articulated as settlers colonial ideals. He's articulate he's telling you I have a settler colonial philosophy and that's what drove him to murder all of those twenty two people who are now did right and so oh. It's really important that we understand that when we talk about white supremacy and white supremacist. Violence is not just a matter of thinking or feeling in. This is what you're kind of getting to. It's it's not just about the individual it's about the system so if we're in a system that's a settler colonial sister it's built on stolen Lannon bannon stolen labor. It's about examining that system and figuring out how to transform things in such a way that assurance fairness and safety and penis and love and all of the things that we all want and they're so intrinsically to I've goosebumps literally like running down my legs right now and when we think about that settler colonial mentality again the intrinsic connection between the impression of people of Color. And how it was rooted in the oppression of indigenous people here in America. By in the Columbus era is so deeply tied to the oppression of women. You can read Columbus's writing and he talks. He talks openly openly about his shock that the native women weren't willing to be taken as sex slaves the idea that they have the rights to the bodies ladies of humans and the rights to the bodies of women. You know the the reason that I think the scarcity mentality and the and the politics of that proximal power to supremacy really got to I mean. Look let's be real. It's gotten to white women for a long time but really got away. Women in the trump election is because because he was praying on. This notion that you're about to have less you're about to lose your and it's like well we've always lost at the hands of those men right you are the you are the reason that one in four women is sexually assaulted by the time. She's twenty two. I don't know a single woman who doesn't have a story. I don't not a single woman in my life is without Out Story of an assault none and many to many account. Yes I I can't name every and then what happens. Is We talk about it on a scale well. 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Dreaming allows us to kind of see vision. That's not tied to the what is but what can N. B. and right and so Everybody wants to live in a safe community. You know we've talked a lot about me being a mom. We Wanna live in a safe community. We WanNa make sure our children can walk home safely right and as a black mother. I know my children are less safe when there's police around. So what does a system of public safety look like and I remember When I first moved to Los Angeles I lived in Lammert Park area area and I didn't know what was happening but every morning the old people would come out and sit on the porch and as I lived there I started having conversations with them like I was like Oh everybody must be from Louisiana Louisiana and Texas right we all? My grandparents sat on the porch but not better early and now as I was having conversations with folks they hid created a system in the neighborhood where they would come out from seven into eight to watch the children to school. And that's public safety right. That's public safety in the sense that they knew the children right. If the children I remember some of the kids getting told getting called to the porch cussing right as they were walking I want that for my children would I don't want is men with guns standing on corners right. I want the GRANDMAS and GRANDPA's on the porch watching my children to school safely. And so if we think about what we've invested in what Most most major cities have invested in Spent our tax dollars on their overspending on police so our city's general fund and we now spend fifty three percent of our city's general fund on La Petey so all money in the General Fund in all of Los Angeles fifty fifty. Three percents of mets. Not including you know that's not public safety overall. That's not fire right. That's not straight up. LAPD fifty three percent and it doesn't include the contracts they lapd gets with like the parks right who give them a share of their budget to write fifty three reaper sent. Why would we be spending fifty three percent of our city's general fund on police when we know that police actually don't make community safe? There are studies that say in fact let me give a real good example so there was a brother named Gregorio Mec was killed on April tenth two thousand eighteen. He was inside the vault when hills crenshaw which is the black mall in La Right and in about five o'clock in Afternoon he was seen inside the mall talking to himself and he had a kitchen knife. Which Lemme lift up for listeners? It is not illegal to they have a kitchen knife in fact he was standing in front of Tj. Max where they sell kitchen knives right and so it wasn't illegal to have the kitchen knife. He was standing there clearly dealing dealing with some kind of mental health issue right Security who we've talked to in the mall said they didn't see him as dangerous they just wanted him to leave the mall because people were uncomfortable with him there right but he wasn't attacking anybody threatening anybody. Somebody called nine one one. The police come back bounding up. The escalators. In this is a quote from one of the patrons with every gun blazing and and they murder Gra Sharia in the middle of the mall. They don't even bother to clear the mall first and then after they shot him and he was on on the ground they stood over him and shot him more. I'm lifting that up because someone who is having a mental health break should not have the police called on them if we thought about the best use of city resources. What if we had a mental health team where when somebody is having a mental health? It's a health issue. They could be dispatched mhm they could figure out. How do I talk him down right? They could figure out. What is he on medication? Did he take his medication. Who are his loved ones right? Who can we call in to give him support right and I think I know that they're cities like Jackson Mississippi Zippy cities like Newark New Jersey? Where they're beginning to explore re allocating public dollars to investing them in you know more mental health providers to investing them in you know parks don't need police in the parks? They need more youth workers in the parks right. They're investing them in intervention and prevention work so even things that we think of traditionally is crime. Right doesn't have to be something that's addressed in the same kind of with the same kind of occupational style dial and style of confrontation. That police engaged that. These are people what the mayor in Newark has done. Razz Baraka is hire people. Many of them formally me incarcerated who are from neighborhoods and when something goes down in the neighborhood they go and have conversations with people who respect the right and and so we need to be willing to engage in radical imaginings and dreaming before thinking and envisioning a world that actually creates safety. Not just policing right. There's an interesting insight for me here. because again I don't lump the people people in with the system. And I have an interesting purview. Believe into policing because I worked on a police show for almost five years of my life. You know I I spent a lot of time entrenched in that community and I asked the officers who I was close to two and one of whom I am still close to who I talked to about a lot of this stuff we a lot of deep conversations about their opinions on this and their willingness to say oh no no. The system is broken We love our brothers. We love our community. We die for each other but something nothing is changing and it's affecting everybody and when I ask why does this like I show a video of McDonald. I show a video of you. You know any of these body cam footage dash cams that come out eventually. Because of course they don't give them to us right away and I say why does it become like this. And they talk about the way they're training has become increasingly militarized and how they're not trained to defuse situations anymore. They're trained at the moment. A hand is raised. There's something in it. They're trained to shoot trained to shoot to kill not to shoot two. Would this is a problem. And they're not encouraged or required to go for mental health. Check INS therapy you you are. You are effectively building a bomb you are putting a person in a hyper realised state telling doing them. Every single person who they encounter is going to try to kill them and if they do they have to try to kill them first but what does it really mean to try to be killed like the adrenaline is crazy. You here. It's hard to see. And if one of those officers discharges a weapon and kill somewhat. They have no mental health requirements armaments to process what that means it gets glazed over and then they. They're told they did a good job. And then we wonder why it happens again. And and I I have listened to some of these guys. Tell me what a toll it's taken on them yet. The system remains the same in the system is killing people and it makes makes me feel the same way when I say like white supremacy has nothing for me as a white woman. I have seen how the system doesn't have have anything good for the people who are even a part of it and I see the devastation that it reeks across communities across the country and so I hope that being able to solely focus on the problem of the system can inspire for all of us to try to make it better can inspire us to say. Yeah I want more of my city dollars going to social work programs going to you know community uplift forces going. It doesn't need to be this. Yeah and I think part of when we say this right when we say dream before you think are when we say radical imagination people go. Yeah but how do you get to that and it feels like this big overwhelming task right but really all. We're talking about is a budgeting process. Freud just move some money. It's not that hard to move the money right we. We have cities that are moving the money move some money also you know. I define myself as an abolitionist. Right and people go. What does that mean? What are we should just I and woman but abolition ISM doesn't just mean tearing down systems that are repressive right so most people associate abolitionist abolitionist with the end of slavery right abolishing slavery? I believe in the abolition of prisons and police that it doesn't mean I don't believe in public safety and it doesn't mean that you know. I don't prioritize that right. I just think it can look very different and I think that also a lot of times as abolitionist. We only think about the tearing down or what's illuminated is the tearing down right right so we we highlight the protests. And you know we. They want Polish the police. Yes and we want to build community safety teams. We want to build. You know the Gr- maybe it could be the grandma brigade right and it's not that hard to do and so when you think. Think about it like those grandparents were doing it. That was abolitionist. Work and you didn't have stuff happening in the neighborhood and so the police weren't there they were but they they were kind of kept it bay right and so we can. It's not as overwhelming of task. Ask as it seems. It's totally doable. Right I mean if they did abolish slavery slavery did Chattel Slavery. Savory came to an end if the people before us were able to do that. Then it should be relatively easy feat to say policing as we know no it should no longer exists. Let's establish a system of public safety and work towards it and see it come to fruition not a hundred hundred years from now. I'm talking in the near future in my lifetime. Something I like to ask me full at the beginning that we just went we went right in and I skipped one of my favorite questions. But but I'm thinking about it now thinking historically I sit across from so many people who I'm so in awe of and I'm so in olive where you are in this moment in your life and then I go where you like this when you were little. I'm fascinated uneven. People were as kids. And and who were you as a kid were you. Were you always wise. Were you always always so sensitive. Where like who is little Malina? So yes I was always like this. I don't know that I would call myself wise now I I hear so I was always like this. I always had a big mouth right. I always was taught by my mom. my GRANDPA specially that. I could do anything you know. And it's like like I feel like we've spent a lot of time on kind of the heaviness of this work and but I always found this is like using my voice and speaking up for whatever fun like it's fun like you're too it gives me life like had to sit there and listen to this full talking about crazy stuff cut the hell is. Donald Trump gone call. Elijah Cummings a racist right like we don't have to sit here and listen to it and like just here at one we need to talk about. How ridiculous was this shit is? I know that we shouldn't just be laughing at it. But it's it's like bizarro world now truly crazy. Yeah it's like a person looking at you and saying the sky is yellow and you're like skies blue and they go. Are you blind. It's yellow and you're like what we're where. Where are we that in crazy route to where you're like? Hello are we in the same dimension like what's happening right right so I don't no no. I think I grew up just feeling like I could always use my voice always feeling like I was deeply loved and sometimes I talk about mothering thing And I remember talking with this group of young moms and I said and one of them came up to me recently and I said to them none of this shit is that deep and they were like wet and I was like even that. We're having having this forum on mothering in and there was this one a US it. I stressed myself out because I sent my son to school and he left his lunch bag in the car and then he called me from school. School like Mama Premium. But I couldn't get back to the school to bring him his lunch right and then I had to remember. School only goes from eight. Two three you are not GonNa Starve between eight and three. When you get home? You can have a peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich right. Like none of it's that deep right right like we take on a lot of responsibility and act like everything is so deep. But I think that how I was raised raised and how I try to live is just pouring love into what I care about firstly my children but also my community the world that I live in poor the love love in an animate mistakes like my son left is I didn't look back to see. Did he get his lunch right. So part of it was on me to not look at but so what just keep it Movin even and you're GonNa make a misstep and sometimes people are GonNa get mad at you but so so what. Just keep it moving and living love and living your purpose and I think my mom and my Grandpa taught me a lot about that. Was it like growing up with them because you were you. Were in East Oakland in the seventies. Right what's twenty nine. What's the have been for let's what's the what's it's the vibe like what what is community like and what's your family like My community was complicated. Hated but my like the first word I wanted to use. It was magical an amazing and I'm saying that is someone who witnessed. I don't even know how many of my friends get murdered right. WHO experienced like? We found the body in the dumpster when we were little kids. Kids right like I grew up. I came of age during the height of the crack. Cocaine epidemic in East Oakland. Were it was really hitting heart and end. If I were to give the I word it was magical. It was amazing. It was a community filled with love of my grandpa used to sit on the front porch all day long and we come home from school and sit with him on his front porch and eat watermelon. I know that's a terrible thing to say as a black person but what a melon is delicious. I don't care if it's a stereotype. It's also like that's California we're are we have produce. We're very lucky. Yes my GRANDPA would feel ice. Open a watermelon. And he's from Louisiana right so he would slice. Open a watermelon. Alan and we eat them like out of it would be a bowl right. Turn it into a bowl and you just with the whole and we sit there and we would tell me stories and it was amazing and my mother who was a single mom and a teacher. She would always come home from school late and she get like a old Volvo station wagon and it hit the black and you could hear it like a black away and all the kids in the neighborhood. We lived in a almost all black neighborhoods Abra. Who would come running down the street and sit on our front porch and they would yell? It's time for school and my mom would sit on that porch with them him until the sun went down and teach all the kids in the neighborhood to read and My grandma who I don't give as much credit as I should taught me how to cook so every Sunday. I Never Miss Church right so we go to church and my kids think they're in church a long time when it's like two hours but we'd be there from nine o'clock clock in the morning to about two o'clock in the afternoon we have a breaking cook in the church basement right so we have hamburgers and coffee. I remembered and in seven uptake in a church basement and then we go home after church service and I would be at my grandma's house and we would just cook and talk and look at. JC see pennies magazines catalogs and it was just really beautiful and it was like the entire community. Eighty took care of each other and everybody from you know my grandparents were there to my mom too. I remember there was a sex sex workers what we call them now. Right who had a son that my brother was friends with and she would come and teach us a lot like about being a woman and don't let these men do it. was you know she was eight. She helped raised me in away and it was just a really beautiful community and I think that they talk about. There's a author author named Joanna Kundu food to talks about when ghettos become slums and that. There's nothing wrong with a ghetto and so I was raised in a ghetto and I was raised. Our neighborhood was called Foal town and it was what they call a gang neighborhood but they were my I family and so when I think about this now and I'm sorry for talking so hungry when I think about it now and like the criminalization of of the people who were killed by police and they go oh he was a gang member so with I mean he was a gang member was he committing crime right. So I think about people like Ryan Ryan's Wyman who was twenty four years old just killed last month by La County Sheriff's twenty four sitting in his car in an apartment building thing that's considered has gang members in the apartment building but he wasn't doing anything but sitting in the car unarmed they snatch off his back door and kill him thirty four shots and then go back to bear cruiser. Get a an assault weapon and continue to kill him with assault weapon right right and then what do what does the county. Sheriff do they say basically. He deserved it because he was a gang member. I don't care that. He was a so-called gang member. When I was twenty four years old you would have called me one because I lived in folktales right? It doesn't matter to me for me. That neighborhood was love right for me. That's where my first boyfriend almers. Jones was fraught reign of for me. It was where I got love and support and was nurtured should into becoming the woman that I am right. Even I dropped out a traditional high school but my neighborhood knew I shouldn't have dropped out a traditional national high school in. Everybody was like pushing me to go back in like when I come back now and there's a couple of people that I grew up with it I'm friends with now. You know still friends with and they say things like you know. We weren't even supposed to be alive. You know and it was is my neighborhood that kept me alive. That kept my brother alive and my brother was crazy and you know was like the other boys in the neighborhood did stuff that would have gotten him. Imprisoned these days right in the eighties. Nineties didn't send him to prison. What does that mean so I remember this one incident when my brother and a bunch of the boys who were like probably preteens like about twelve maybe eleven or twelve twelve had broken into an empty apartment unit in the housing projects that were across the street from our house and they took some of the supplies and began to throw paint out the window? They were eleven and twelve. That was stupid and they. I should get a weapon right. 'cause my momma whipped right but in and what wound up happening is police did grab them and they put them in the back of the car and they drove them home because they knew my Mama was gone with if eleven and twelve of year olds break into an apartment now and do what eleven and twelve year olds do which is naughty but is not criminal. I know right. These kids would have been taken from their mothers. They would have been incarcerated and they'd have to live with that process of criminalization for the rest of their lives. We are now in a system. That is completely unforgiving you know I've shoplifted before. I don't think I've ever said that publicly publicly but I've shoplifted many times before I've gone to jail before right but all of those things were things that you know when I was arrested arrested for the first time in Berkeley California mom recently handed me like my arrest record from Berkeley and it said like if she doesn't do anything else else for the next year this record will be destroyed right. That does a happen anymore right. And so that's what I mean when I say like the the system was forgiving of my brother and of me but now we would've had a different fate while and there's such a rigidity now. Aw and even when I when I hear you talk about you. Know the neighborhood in the boys in the neighborhood now they would have been described as gang members. I wonder about what that means when people hear the term because so much of what we know when it hasn't been our life is what we see on TV right and we think gang member means murderer means someone who killed someone to get in a gang means someone who is a drug dealer means And that's much more often than not not the case right and you know people get identified as gang members. I now no no from my police experience. If they're on the same block as a person who is confirmed in a gang. If they're seeing the same street corner than all those kids seen with that one kidder gang members by association. That's how the police at legally are allowed to identify you now. I know a kid who who was just released from jail. Who went to jail on an associate to murder charge because he was standing next to you a guy who got shot in the butt in an altercation right and when people hear that they go that's not? They can't do that to you but they did this to this boy and so I think a there has to be a reassessment with what we believe these definitions to mean and be. We also have to understand that nobody. Nobody is to be acquainted to the worst thing they've ever done right. And Yes to all of that and I actually actually think kids who grow up in gang. neighborhoods aren't really doing things that are that bad. It's the white affluent kids do much much worse and they're not criminalized for that behavior right. I think it's part of you know it's systemic. It's intentional manning. Owning Mirabeau talks about that right like these systems were intentionally designed to produce these outcomes the criminalization of black people right. Even the killing of black people at the hands of police lease it's not accidental. The disparity in sentencing between cocaine and crack for example. Right right. So it's all intentional and we have to remember that children have the right to be children so like now that I've opened up the can of worms about shoplifting. I won't share this with my mom. The first time I shoplifted. I was in sixth grade and I actually was in Berkeley and my mom had moved. Moved me from my neighborhood. Elementary school to a white private elementary school in Berkeley like the Super White Liberal Elementary School in all the kids were rich right in the only two black kids. I remember black girls. I remember. Were me and Whoopi. Goldberg's go Whoopi. Goldberg's daughter Alex Right and so these rich white girls. Air With some sleepover wanted to go steal some stuff from this toy store called Mr Stor mops right so we went into Mr mops and we put a whole Lotta Shit in our backpacks we got away with it and then this is how a six excavators mind works. We decided we needed to go back. And in my mind I'm thinking Mr mops workers see thousands of people people will never recognize this again because there's thousands of people because I'm ten or eleven years old and I don't get no. They remembered that you were just in in here an hour ago right. But I'm thinking Mr Musk's is big toy store. Thousands of people come in and out and so that's how we were grabbed because we were stupid enough to go back and believe it right. Kids have the right to make those kinds of dumb mistakes right. Not just about that. I could go back and get more. We could go back and get more right but you know to take things that don't belong to you. You need need to be corrected but it shouldn't be a criminal justice system that does it and I think that this is the work of people like Brian Stevenson and others. That is just incredible. If you look at what's happened since the height of kind of mass youth incarceration in the nineties with the the passage of things like prep twenty one that gave discretion so the prosecutors instead of judges about you know children and how they were charged. We've seen a dramatic decrease in the criminalization of children especially in places like California and San Francisco There's virtually no children who are incarcerated right and it's because people are starting to make choices and starting to recognize especially almost most. Everybody is apparent right. Kids do dumb shit you if you did dumb shit like so. We shouldn't be losing. Losing lives and traumatizing further. Traumatizing these children for doing the dumb shit that they're supposed to do because their kids ride and really affords an opportunity to teach lessons. I remember member I don't know you're not really that old so when I was growing up we have fights fight to school all the time like we were always fighting and we thought we wouldn't get suspended if you waited till three o'clock in fact you wouldn't wait till three o'clock and fight off of school the grounds then you could fight and in somebody got beat up and then you go home and if the school found out about it you had to go in and write some shit I will not fight anymore. Moore's guidelines. Yeah when you had to write sentences on the board when you got in trouble. Yeah you know what fights are called at school now assault and battery and I think that's absolutely ridiculous. Their kids their children right. We've all had fights. I hit Damon skill learning born in the knowles in the first grade because he tried to kiss me. I remember being in the fourth grade and I can't think of what the boy's name was. He was a sixth grader and he hit my best friend. I and I kicked the sixth grader in the nuts greats like a swift kick to the nuts. He dropped then. It was a whole thing where he was embarrassed because he got beat up by a girl. We're all your bigger than my you know. Six and fourth grade like the boys are very differently developed and I was just like you pick on kids your own size and the irony of this tiny tiny scrawny. Little girl likes sixth grader. who was in the fetal position screaming at him about how you should pick on somebody as big as him and I was like half the size of my friend Matt Hat but I mean he clocked him right and none of us got in trouble right? It was just like a playground thing and that was over. I got in trouble in fifth grade. I stole a racer. And that's when I had to write sentences on the four kids take stuff redo stuff even think about you know you're talking about your brother and his friends brands like playing in a construction space throwing paint around like I'm an adult and sometimes I go through construction sites. I'm just really curious. Houses just like I straight up. We'll pull over like in the neighborhood and be like ooh and if a gates open all just go wander around. I've never thought that I was going to get arrested for that. And you. Won't I read right. You want right right. And it isn't an intro yard. Fight little white kids are not going go to jail for the school yard fight but my son will right well interesting that the way that we are policing younger and younger children is becoming more and more aggressive. You know they wouldn't they wouldn't have. I don't think schools were calling it a salt. No I was eight but now that's the thing that's crazy well and this is something that's interesting to me is the disparity in whether it's a potential or actual punishment. Because when I think about the work you do today And I think about the courage that it requires wires to step outside and do it. I think about the difference again. Let's say it's you and me at a protest. The difference in what happens to us because you were charged with assaulting a police officer in a courtroom and the irony that you that the man. And here's this so. The story goes got grabbed on the arm while he was walking. You know somebody out of a courtroom so the police commission meeting right. WHO's a police? Please commissioner and thank you so the people grabbed me by the arm. All the time like strangers on the street who are like. Hey Brooke Davis take a picture with you on that assault so this feels ridiculous to begin with that like grabbing somebody by the arm and saying hey go easy on. This kid could be assault assault. But what makes it even crazier to me. Is that another woman said. I'm the one who grabbed the officer by the arm. But she's a white woman right and in the LAPD charged with assault and then they managed to drum up seven other charges. Charged you with eight. was eight misdemeanors altogether other so this could potentially carried a prison sentence of a year. And that's if they did them as concurrent not as consecutive consecutive -secutive would have been three and a half years. Wow and I guess what. What's interesting to me? Is that despite someone else saying. No I grab the cup and despite every witness in the courtroom saying we didn't say million to do that and despite you saying I absolutely did not do that. They were pressing you and it feels to me as an observer like visit policing of descent like Z.. Policing of your voice. There there are an an an in that in that. Article that I I got the scourge quote from I get real nerdy on my homework. They said something. The thing that I found really interesting that this has an to quote this has far ranging implications for free speech in Los Angeles. Los Angeles is not the only city led effort to silence. Activists invests the city council also recently created new set of rules against public disruptions aimed at banning those who disrupt city council meetings from attending future meetings which went into effect last January public disruption is a time honored activist strategy to bring pressure to bear on government officials and your lawyers years went on to say publicly that the city is treating legitimate forms of dissent as a crime. Yes and it is our right our constitutional regional right to free speech into protests. We are meant to hold our government accountable. Because it's meant to be a government for us. So what does it look like as an activist activist today when when we think about how kids are getting treated when we think of our activists are getting treated when we think about disparate punishment. Ah Depending on what community you fall into. How do you how do you how do you get up every morning So that so I was tired of going to police commission meeting but when they tried to ban me from it you know talk about all criminalize me for going. I'm never missing in another police commission meeting right. So that's part of how I get up because I actually get inspiration and feel like I'm living in and my purpose by doing this right like I don't WanNa just sit home and watch TV or play games or whatever there's stuff that needs is to be done and I enjoy it. It's like Artists in their art right like I have to live in it right so like artists and their art art. Yeah this is. This is the thing that you make with fat inner duty. Yeah it's my purpose right. I believe it's my purpose right right sacred duty right. Yeah and what happened was absolutely the criminalization of black protests specifically right and so there were other people who've been arrested before I was arrested in other incidents all of them. Black White folks have been arrested but not charged so you know there was one of the charges that they tacked on was about an arrest when we did a disruption after a brother name Cornell Snell was murdered and they found his murder in policy and we began to chant his name and I along with two of my white comrades white women comrades who understand that their freedom is bound up with mine right all got arrested together uh-huh and you were the only one charge. I was the only one charge. And so they wouldn't. They never charge Her name is Gina who said that. She's the one that touched the officers arm. I did not. I'm sitting here until I saw. There was video evidence right until I saw the video in that I absolutely did not touch this officer right. I'm sitting here wracking my Bengal. Did I brush him on the way out because what was happening is they. Were trying to escort Out The aunt of a woman named why Kisha Wilson who had been killed inside. LAPD jail And I wanted to make sure she was okay. Her name is Sheila. I wanted to make sure she was okay and then when I got arrested two I'm going. Oh what did I do you know. And so there is a deliberate effort. I believe to not just silence. Protest but silence black protests. Because part of what happens happens when you say you know why am I not following black women is I think when black people engage in protests were less bound and hi to the system and so our protests looks a lot more radical you know our protests is much more far reaching in terms of what we want so silence that and I think people looking at it from the outside are afraid of the energetic power. We're of IT Because whether they are consciously aware or not in in my observation of the power of the protest of black women and it feels so big and to your point maybe so radical because it carries the energy of life and death stakes Right and I remember that guy who made the sign at the first women's March in D. C.. That was like Oh my goodness y'all y'all nice white ladies at the next black lives matter protests which I thought it was amazing and again just living in the relative privilege of this body I can go to the women's March and I can can raise my voice and I can be an activist and I can show up in spaces and raise money for causes and but I don't walk down the street feeling feeling as though my life might be threatened very often late at night. I'm nervous I walk with my keys in my hand. I like. Don't Park in certain places that's is being woman right but I don't have the same experience that you are. My girlfriend. Who Lives in Venice have on the sidewalk? And so I wonder if my sacred rage when I'm out screaming or on a podium more you you know leading a protest doesn't feel as threatening because I am inherently not as threatened. I also think that when you talk about kind of the Moon we've talked about like the proximity to privilege so when you talk about privilege in the proximity ready to privilege Part of that privilege is a certain degree of protection of you. Buy The system right so absolutely. There's the energy piece. But it's also like Courtney and Danny who were the two white women who were arrested with me you know we we brought it up. We'll why are the two white women being charged not that we want them charge but why are they not being charged right and it was really the system city attorney attorney right nodding and going out there. Okay right. It's part of this their but their next to us there are these are these people are with me not with you. We did the exact same thing right. You know heart of them genus. A sitting up going. I did I even at the time I was being arrested. She didn't touch. You touched you. You would think at least they grab her to two right. Nope never got grabbed. Never got charged years gone by so they can't charge your now but over and over and over again in the documents that were submitted everything she sang. She did it so I think it's part of the system saying you know you might not get all of the white supremacist patriarchal benefits but you get some of the white supremacist benefits. White woman right. You still here right and I think that's part of what's it's happening as well as the energy and I think that what you are challenging in the system is at the root of the system system itself you know you are talking about the disparity in how the system is applied to people of Color in. You're doing that as a black woman and your threat to the system is bigger and you know the it is. It's not lost on me that historically there has been in an attempt to separate women who were trying to make social change Meaning white women trying to make Social Ryan from communities of color color because all the people at the top WanNa do is bifurcated that people are upset with them so so I even wonder if it goes deeper in the court system. Where they're like well? If if we can make the white ladies feel protected. Maybe they won't come to the next black lives matter protests. Maybe they won't be at the next white people for black lives event because we gave them a pass pass right and whether that's a conscious choice or not there is the insidious nature of let's separate right like look at women's suffrage. Let's separate right life. Let you know. There has always been a desire by the powerful few to make sure that the more that the less powerful masses his don't realize how much collective power they have worked together absolutely absolutely and that's like that's where I think that the sacred duty your when you talk about being a woman nest being being here for like a truly intersectional community of women we have to double down together. Yeah 'cause I'm like I'm not going to get duped. I'm not going to do the thing. They did one hundred years ago. No no no no. This is not going to happen. We need to lift up that there are Hella White eight women doing it right like so Danny and Courtney did go to jail would be. They did get arrested with me right. Gina is Don arrest her. Take me right so there are women who are starting to see who sees the rules right. WHO's no how to spend their privilege? Exactly the exact we and I always feel like as we talk about struggle. We always have to uplift the hope right that. There's it's a you know Dr get your King Talks about the beautiful struggle the beauty and the struggle right and so I talked about molly but I don't think I've never had as many eh white friends is. I have in the struggle like because these are white people who aren't perfect right but who I trust right. I think that for black people. There's a massive distrust of white folks because it's it's reasonable right. It's logical but there's a few in our meetings we pour something called libation which kind of honors was our ancestors and summons those spirits into the space and S for guidance. And we always you know this Sunday when we have our meeting will absolutely call Tony Morrison right well call on those who help us move forward and white people and sometimes we'll lift them up like on on social media whatever White people are are allied. Group is caught white people for black lives. been since I think they were founded in twenty fourteen Though Hash Tag John Brown Twenty Fourteen John Brown Twenty fifteen. John Brown's twenty sixteen esteem right. They're calling on for them the ancestor that shows them. How can white people really be down? And we're I'm not asking people to you know literally sacrifice their lives in the lives of their sons. That's what John Brown right. But that he was down like that like Mama Heriot's freedom means enough to him that he would give up his life and his sons life life right in order for us to be free and or he saw his freedom is bound up with ours and I think in the midst of struggle right like really engaging in the struggle. That's one of the greatest beauties that racism is an absent from the struggle. But I trust the white people in the struggle to a whole different degree. Then I trust the White Jenner fires in my neighborhood right who. I don't trust it all right like the ones who were going to call the police on my kids right. I'm able to see white. People differently as allies is as accomplices right willing to disrupt a system that seemingly benefits and it's such a relief isn't it. Yeah and I always tell my daughter my middle daughter who is my free spirit. Who I say is my greatest joy in my greatest frustration? Right the That every moment is a new moment right so every moment is a moment to do something differently right so even if yesterday or this morning you were something that you didn't like you can change it now right and recognize recognize that. That's a process to write like change as much as you can know that. Also you get called out on your shit sometimes right like you're not going to see everything that I z.. Because you don't know what it feels like right. Let me call you in call you allow right and know that it's not personal. It's I need you to be better right. I need you to be. We're not GONNA be able to take down all this shit by ourselves right. We need you. We need you you to step up. We need you to give your voice your body and your resources and move it so that we can be free and how lucky to be invited I really think that when you shift when you look in the mirror and choose to shift your perspective from feeling called out to feeling called in Because let me tell you something like I come from a fucking crazy Italian family. I have a whole thing where I'm like. If you ever stabbed me in the back I will viscerally your existence. Like we're done I am. I am ice cold. There's no at least have the courage to like. Look me in the eye and Gimme the knife in the stomach like let's tavern was having an exchange so and it's like obviously that's on the extreme end of like going through the worst of the worst with people but I think there's a version of that when you get into if you feel called out you feel attacked. Stop looking at it like that when I stopped calling you out you like you're frozen you're done. You're the prison who stabbed me in the back of your over your never invited again. I think if we can shift this idea that the call out if it's happening and you're aware of it you're being called in right. You are being invited. You're being invited into a space to learn to do better better to be better. Take it as a welcoming right right absolutely it is. It's funny it's like I. I know there's people who are listening to what a weird thing to say but it's like I'm I just I know it to be true and it and it feels like it exists on the same vibration is that feeling of like the activism. Is the joy That that's that's the purpose that's the calling and I know that anyone who comes into any of these spaces that we all work in leaves feeling fuller. You're leaves feeling more connected to themselves in their purpose. Somehow it's it's the thing is the thing that helps you. Stop trying to fill a whole. And that makes you the filler. Yeah yeah and it's a really special place to be and I'm curious on that on that idea of Activism Service calling would you. What do you think makes an effective activist so I think activism is small right so I I define myself as an organizer I keep saying I define myself as I got many identities and what that means for me is an activist this to somebody who stands up in response to something but I think we need to be more than that right so an organizer is someone who builds right builds organization And also understands that this kind of messianic leadership model where you're going to be an activist and give a great speech and everything's going to change is flawed by design in order to get you to think that all we need is is another Martin Luther King Right the version of Martin Luther King that we were fed is wrong anyway right there were. Thousands of civil rights organizers right. He just happened to be one of the best orators of all time right but Mama. Ella Baker was a far better organizer than him right and so we need to understand understand that there were all of these people in so for me. I think what makes a good organizer is understanding that were part of you are not bigger than the movement right. So one of my Baba's Hank Jones who was one of the San Francisco enciso aid of members of the Black Panther party who was criminalised in incarcerated for being an active black man in the sixties is right and he always says in this movement. Our job is to kill the ego right so the greatest work we can do is to kill the ego and I think that that's the greatest internal work that we can do right. A good organizer doesn't need to have their EGO stroked. They never have to be thanked. May Nev- never have to be received accolades for the work that they do. Because the work should be about the work right and so a good organizer Recognizes that the most impactful thing that you can do is to create. Create more organizers right so to empower people to not seek in ace symmetrical messianic model of leadership ship that puts you at the top right leading everybody else behind you but recognizes how strong we are when we all march arm in arm. And and that you also don't know how to do every damn thing like I can. I'm a teacher right so I teach pretty well right. I'm a good writer you know I am not artistic. I'll have artistic bone in my body and we have someone else in the movement movement Foamy. Lola who's a brilliant playwright and poet right. Who if we didn't have that team are arts and culture team? When I speak or write I feel like it can hit people? The thinking part works but how do you get people to dream dream. I can't get people to dream. That's what the artists do right because they bypass the mine and get to the sole right. And then I can you know put in the thoughts right but I can right likewise and few needed me to draw a picture I'd be like here's a stick figure figure I'm so sorry but you're an artist writer and artist. I'm a performer. But I can't paint but somebody your yeah point like a good organizer Rep recognizes. We need performance artist. Yeah we need painters. We need people who can speak. We need people who can mobilize allies. We got the sister in black lives matter named Jan who she can make friends with any damn buddy right like we'll be at a protest us next thing you know she got everybody's life story she's telling us what they gonNA do. Lease people are at the next meeting because Jan.. That's it's a gift. Yes it'd be able to commune with people. Like that. And so good organizers recognized that you were you know one pain and a stained glass window you know and it takes. Your job is to figure out how all these pieces fit together to form that glass to warm that formation. That's GonNa get us to where we need to go. I love that and I think it also takes the pressure of participation off for people who are starting their journey of showing up speaking up standing up because some people think that if they don't know how to do it they shouldn't shouldn't they shouldn't or can't or don't have permission. And when you talk about organizing in the community and getting back to that village that we evolved evolved in as a people it highlights the reality activism and social change. It's this is a relay race. We run on teams as we pass the baton. That's the only way for us to sustain is to do it together. Yeah and it. People often defy describe it as a relay race ace but I think it's kind of a a modified really right so I was talking to somebody about youth organizing and they were talking about this relay. People need to pass the baton. I think the baton needs to be passed. But you still gotta keep running. Oh yeah you know. I picture it as a running running in a pack and you just past the thing around. Maybe I should say it feels more like one of those Olympic torch ceremonies where like everybody goes together. Certain people have the torch a different time right. But yeah right if you're running alone. Then what's the point right now not running with the torch and then passing it and then stopping we know we still gotta keep going and when we're all running that's how we win. I WANNA Just quickly address. What you said about people people thinking they have to have something special? You do have something special right. I don't know what it is. Maybe you get along well with children. Maybe you can cook. Maybe you can sing. All of those things are. That's what I mean by Mama. Ella Baker calls it group Center Leadership Right. All of that stuff is valuable to the movement. Even if you just have good ham writing one claim to fame Yuban people right on a damn but your paper and you can read what they wrote. We we need you. Who has the good penmanship to be? The scribe writing. Even if that's all you got please bring it like just bring it an offer it and it's going to be valuable and love that because people don't realize that they are exceptional Everyone sort of thinks that like unless they're I don't know the Great World Changer that there may be not a value. Add and every single person is evaluated absolutely you You said that racism is not simply a matter of thinking or feeling. It is a social hierarchy imposed to afford white people with unearned material and psychic beliefs. And I feel like we've unpacked a lot of that pretty well but here we are with the president who who was quoted eight times in a mass murderers manifesto right there. Is this assumption that the system punishes the people who do wrong but we are you're talking about very disparate punishment. Right now what do what do we do with this. What do we 'cause I I would wager that? There's a lot of people listening listening. Who feel very traumatized by what trump is doing? And what he's bringing into this country his his dehumanisation of people and the effect. It's having what do you think people at home can do. Do how do how do they support. How do they fight back against it? How do they support making society? Better how do they support you. I'm I'm curious how we turn the tide on something that is this insidious. Yeah I mean we absolutely cannot tolerate him him. We cannot tolerate him and you know he's dangerous in terms of his rhetoric policy. You and I think that the last week has shown us how he spurred up white. Supremacist violence right it. It doesn't mean that that was never part of this country. It's part of the founding of this country but in my lifetime we've always moved further are in further away from it right. We've always seen doing you talked about being pushed right but it's really two steps forward one step back right so we've always always moved forward. This is the first time I feel like a massive push backwards right. A mass like a sister Souljah legit Had A song slavery's back in a fit right and it sounded like the Super Far Fetched Idea. But now when you look at what's happening happening right when you look at you know lacking children in cages right when you look at family separation. I think it's one of the reasons why you see black people also involved in what's happening at the border is because like there's a trans generational memory of our own family separation right. It's just overwhelming. He has given complete permission for white supremacist. Terrorists to do whatever they want. And it doesn't mean that they weren't there but they were the important chick right and I think that even Racism is not just a matter of thinking and feeling doing but I think part of that permission is for them to engage the lowest of themselves right to say that those kind of lower creature instincts of invasion of ownership of mine. Right it can be meted out in the most violent ways right when you think about these mass shooters right like we've seen things things when you go back historically and you look at what they did to my people under Chattel slavery or what they did to my people after reconstruction destruction during the height of the lynching era. Right the ideas. I don't even know how they brought themselves to mutilate us in torture us in the way that they did. But that's what's moving back around right. That's what this back again right. what is it that great again. He says great any again. That's what he's hearkening to right. I've never seen this happen before and so I'm saying that it's a say I don't really have the answers. One super easy one is he got it. Go right you gotta go. It's not radical to to say I'm not voting right so some people think oh well you know I'm not voting. The Republicans and the Democrats are the same. No they have. They both both are owned by Corporate America. And we can't have this fool in office no more so he gotta go he gotta go. Congress has to be courageous enough to drag his ass up out of there. We really can't afford to wait until twenty would take office again. Twenty twenty one. We can't afford to wait that long so I think this whole idea of impeachment Isaiah dragging like somebody somebody just needs to drag him like you know now. I can't say too much. But he gotta go. You gotta go like I would like to see him go immediately. I think also though as we talk about voting loading and one of my concerns around kind of The engagement with electoral politics. which I think is important? Is that sometimes. We allow systems Adams to tell us. That's our only tool and I believe in voting but I believe in what I call voting plus right vote. Oh yes and what else are you gonNA do right. Yes oh I love that voting plus right because you can't just vote right you must vote right. What is your responsibility once every four years for fifteen minutes now no? It's live election day. Yes local elections midterm elections wins every four years presidential. And who are you in your community everyday absolutely. Yeah absolutely so it's not okay. You don't get to sit by and watching justices happen right. This is a bird in the black people beer all of the time when we talk about like everyday racism. 's right every day we're experiencing experiencing something and now I want to go on a whole diatribe about what I just experienced at Costco but I love Costco too. It's like one of my favorite places but they hurt. Let me because I went to buy some pizzas at Costco. I had on a black lives matter. T shirt the guy giving me my pizzas. It was supposed to take take fifteen minutes game pizzas away to these two white men who walked up behind me knowing I was waiting when I confronted him. He takes even longer he decides. He's GonNa get a be out of the zone so stupid but there was a be trapped in the screen. He's going to remove the beef from the screen gene and he can't hand me my pizzas because this is more important and like I felt dumb having to call Costco and say I feel like this was racism but I know it was racism right. I know it was when you see that happening one. Those two white men shouldn't have taken the dam pizzas. They knew I was there before the right. But you don't get to just sit there and watch it happen and so the everyday things aren't always big things like protesting at a police commission. Meeting are joining a march or forming a march. It's also the little things you know when you see. Why did the black boy not get picked for the class for the advanced class? Ask those questions from wherever you are whatever it is wherever you want people are on Internet talking about Ariel kmby black. You don't get me. I was like what is wrong with you. People like what is the matter with you. Give her the job. I think about things from macro macro micro and making sure you're making calls making sure you're donating what you can making sure you're showing up where you can. If you're witnessing somebody getting pulled over or pulled aside by the police in public to stand there right I stand around now. Yeah I stand around. I have my phone in my hand and I'm like if I need to our record it yet but I just want to be there energetically I just WanNa be there right and may hate it. The police hate it when you stand there. Yeah I've never been aqap watched and the person didn't get sent home yet. No they don't love it and it's interesting because I as I mentioned you know to be frank like I'm still very close to my technical record visor that I worked with in Chicago and I tell him that and he's like good. You should good and I'm like I like you. I knew I liked you varies and like it. You know I'm I'm up front a Mike. I love you enough to challenge you right here we are. I love this country enough to challenge her James Baldwin like right I reserve the right to criticize has her perpetually because I love her yes it is so important. Yes and I'm curious for anybody WHO's listening to us today. Hey who is in the La area and wants to show up wants to show up for black lives matter for a city council meeting for white people for black lives. Where did they start? So we have a website via L.. Mla Dot Org and we have a website because there was a white ally who sit. We needed a website and she donated money for us to build a website. So that's a victory. BLM La Dot Org on social media were B. L. M. Los Angeles on Instagram A and B. L. LA on twitter. And if they're listening right now so that'll give you everything that we're doing right so just follow our social media but but if you're listening right now there's some things people can do right this minute right number one. They can join our monthly meetings. which are every second? Can't Sunday of the month. They can join our weekly protest with the families of those who were killed by police in front of Jackie. Lacey's office this Jackie. Lacey is our district attorney. Five hundred forty people have been killed by police. Since she's been in office she's been in. Office is for six years and she is choosing not to prosecute those officers so every single Wednesday at four o'clock where in front of her office. Here's a super super easy one We try to give people sixty seconds for justice. Something Super Easy that folks can do. I talked about the murder of Gregorio Mac inside side of the Crenshaw Baldwin Hills Mall. Those officers were ruled out of policy by the police commission and the chief of police is has decided lighted so far that he is not going to fire or discipline them and so we want people to sign an online petition to chief Moore to fire those officers in that in easy link it's tiny url dot com slash Gra Sharia G. R. E. C. H. A. R. I o.. Oh Gre C. H. A. R. I O.. And just sign and share that link and then you can always donate to black lives matter show up to police commission meetings. There's there's a lot that you can do our young people with Europe parents. We have a black lives matter youth vanguard who just want a tremendous victory For the last four years they've been trying to end what they call the random searches in schools so ellie USD. They had a policy of every single middle in high school every single day they will pull children out of schools. Usually black children and physically searched them for contraband. You would think contrabandists this things like gut guns and drugs right In that time they found zero guns but what they were putting children on lists for is for. We're having contraband. Items like hand. SANITIZER high lighters wipe out sharpie. What yes it was terrible and the children kept fighting? This was a completely student led movement supported by the teachers from Ucla. Who I I'm so indebted added to our teachers incredible? Oh my God. They went on strike not for their own raises yes. They went on strike for the conditions of my children. And I tear up every time time. I say it because my daughter's were searched are searched and they went on strike to end those random searches to turn our schools into community schools the bring librarians and counselors into the schools and we won and so starting this year there was an end to random searches in schools and So I'm saying that a bring your kids. Yes that's what's part of the beauty of the moon people will win. Yeah and I mean kids like bring your four five six year olds. They have ideas like when we talk about dream before you think they are are nothing but dreamers and they fill us with so much life and imagination and so those are things people can do. I love that and that makes me feel hopeful that makes me feel like on fire with potential. Okay so my last question for you and I ask this of everybody because as I I get to sit across from so many people who I'm in awe of and I think that very often in an ever-more digital world looking at people through screens we kind of feel like everybody else. Has it all figured out figured out how to lead get Outta parent has figured out how to whatever it is. They're doing better than we think we're doing but in my experience everybody's still feels like they're trying to figure it out and so I'm curious as the podcast is called work in progress. What in your life right now feels like work in progress to you? Oh my got like everything. I have not conquered my battle with food. I love food. I specifically I'm looking at these peach rings right here. I'm like I want some of those when we stop talking. I'm eating them. I have not yet figured out how some people exercise fun. I don't want to do that right. I like taking walks but I don't want to go to the gym. It's nasty. I don't WanNa go to a gym. I'm terrible romantic partner so I'm not in a relationship and I've only been in like why why was married to my children's father for ten years but that ended seven years ago and astrologer actually told me he said He asked me why. Are you divorced. And I said I think married the I guess I married the wrong person and he said no you marry the right person. That's why you're divorced. I and he said I'm not intended to be in a long term relationship. I'm intended to have like these sometimes a year. I sometimes three months some so I have not figured that out at all and I'm starting to figure out. Well that's what it may be. He is maybe he was right. I don't know there's there's so much I haven't figured out any of this shit. None of it like I don't know what freedom looks like I can't you know I don't know what I'm supposed to be writing a book. I'm going on Sabbatical. Haven't started the damn legs. I start reading the book and then get lost based in reading. I haven't figured out how to make myself. Meditate when Oprah Deepak. Don't have those twenty one day hard. Yeah Yeah I mean I have to make myself because otherwise I'd lose my mind but it's like work I haven't figured out how you be an activist and keep a clean house so yet none of it I have to say I get I'm sitting here going. Yes because everything you're saying makes me feel relieved that it isn't just me it's like it's a very full plate. Yeah when you want to have a life and dedicate your life and and you have kids like I have a dog and I don't know how to do it. I'm I'm like who knows how to keep a thing alive. I what it feels hard and I feel like I'm always cleaning and there's always stuff and I just I don't know the answers yet but yeah the the the practice of self care sure feels like work to me were caring for the world feels like joy absolute because self-care selfish care but it isn't so mir isn't self is if you don't adopt so I want you to hear what you said Karen for the world feels like join. All we have to do is create a model title where we reciprocate the care for the world right. Yeah so cell. The reason I say self-care is selfish. Cares for a couple of reasons one I feel like too many people use it. It is an excuse to shove the shit that they're supposed to be doing off onto my plate right saying that. They need their meantime or whatever. Well that works still has to be carried it and I feel like it's the black mamas wind up carrying it right black women being the mules of the world. Right Zora Neale Hurston right so I'm mad about that but also the selfish care when people really need care. You can't just say you should take care of yourself right. We need to take care of them. Yes and so I believe in a model of community care. I believe that there are times when we need care and we should all be you that care for each other. Yes and I I WANNA clarify. I fully agree with what you're

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