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AP Headline News Oct 26 2018 20:00 (EDT)

AP Radio News

03:30 min | 2 years ago

AP Headline News Oct 26 2018 20:00 (EDT)

"Entertainment design, just for you, then checkout, customizable, streaming TV from finishing. It makes your life simple easy. Awesome. Expended? He gives you, customizable, streaming TV options. Enjoy the most free shows anywhere on any device and even access your streaming apps right on your TV with x one. Go to expend dot com. A one eight hundred spineta or visit a store today. To learn more restrictions apply. AP radio news. I'm McGuire at a rally in Charlotte North Carolina, President Trump phrase, he actions of those investigating the pipe bomb mailing applaud the FBI the secret service and all stay local federal officials for their incredible work in this investigation. The south Florida suspect was a supporter of the president's. The packages were addressed a prominent Democrats and Trump critics president also blames the media for the divisive political climate that media's constant unfair coverage depositi. And negative attacks. You know that only serve to drive people apart and to undermine healthy debate. Former president Brock Obama one of the targets of the bomb. Mailings is campaigning for Democrats at a rally Milwaukee. Obama blasted President Trump and Republicans don't be bamboozle Wisconsin don't fall for that kind of fear mongering. Because. While they're distracting you. We're all this stuff. They're robbing you blind. The nation's economy continues to rise. Here's Rita Foley grew a healthy three and a half percent from July through September. And for the year. We may see three percent growth say communists, the best annual showing in thirteen years. But get ready for a slowdown. Economists are worrying about rising interest rates and President Trump's trade war with China. The experts predict growth will fall next year to about two point four percent and slow to under two percent in twenty twenty many economists also foresee a recession around that time Rita Foley, Washington. This is AP. Radio news. A Catholic group calls them religious orders to release the names of abusive clergy. The Associated Press has learned a major Catholic group in the United States is suggesting that its members consider voluntarily identifying priests accused of sexual abuse the conference of major superiors of men is an umbrella organization of Catholic religious orders in the US the conference represents more than sixteen thousand priests and brothers of religious congregations like the Salesian Jesuits and Christian brothers the conference cannot compel or even formally recommend that religious institutes release names. But the invitation to do so is considered a significant development. I'm Mike Rossier? A rare one thousand dollar Bill sold at auction for more than two million dollars civil war era. Greenback is nicknamed the grand watermelon because of the ornate zeros on it. It's also one of only three of the notes to remain in private collections. It bears the face of General, George Meade who was the commander of union forces at Gettysburg, I'm Tim Maguire, AP radio news.

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California Evacuations, World Series Drama & Robot Taxi Rides at Olympics - Friday, October 25th, 2019

the NewsWorthy

09:05 min | 1 year ago

California Evacuations, World Series Drama & Robot Taxi Rides at Olympics - Friday, October 25th, 2019

"California some world series drama and robot taxi rides at the Olympics welcome welcome to the newsworthy. All the day's news today is Friday October twenty fifth what to know today about efforts against the impeachment inquiry and why lawmakers hit pause on it to come together also we're talking about evacuations were operating at the time the fire started there are also fires happening in southern California and the weather forecast shows conditions are not great warnings for extreme fire danger and strong wind these are still in effect in the middle of the world series the Houston Astros have fired it's assistant general manager the reason past probe that the president has called a witch hunt to be continued even with all the back and forth about investigations regulators about that malfunction even as that same power company worked to shut off power to thousands of people this week to try to prevent wildfires still those power lines another investigation to tell you about now Attorney General William Bar has been looking into what started the Russia investigation a couple years ago and now NBC News reports the Justice Department has changed what was an administrative review into a criminal investigation yes into its own past actions. They're essentially further investigating the investigators wildfires are spreading quickly parts of California and forcing thousands of people to evacuate the weather channel reports more than two thousand people were told to leave their homes in northern California in Baltimore Politico reports speakers will include former presidents Brock Obama and Bill Clinton Cummings was just sixty eight years old makers took a brief break from the political fighting yesterday to come together and honor late Congressman Elijah Cummings he died last week from health issues but had represented parts of Maryland for more than saying it's unfair and basically just an effort to embarrass the president without giving him a chance to defend himself they're also still calling for a formal vote to authorize this investigation. This change means prosecutors can start to subpoena witness testimony and documents at this point it's not clear what potential crime the Justice Department is looking into but remember it's all about that saying the inquiry is illegitimate without one this resolution is pretty much just symbolic but it shows the Republicans are doubling down against this inquiry and the resolution came just one day after some Republicans in the house stormed a secure room we're private testimony was about to happen protesting what they called a secretive process well Democrats are pushing back against all of this they say Republicans are just covering up for the president and trying to distract from the damaging information coming out about his actions in fact critics are likely to say that about remember a vote was never taken when this all started and whether one is actually required is up for debate Democrats say vote is not needed but Republicans and president trump have been the Republicans are pushing back even harder against the impeachment inquiry politico reports this time it was Republicans in the Senate who introduced a resolution to condemn the inquiry a yesterday as a wildfire spread across ten thousand acres of land due to super strong winds this is impacting role wine country about eighty miles north of San Francisco the cause is still the decades he is now the first african-american lawmaker to lie in state at the Capitol which is an honor given to only a few dozen statesmen presidents and military leaders throughout US history lying in state is the tradition where the body of an official is placed in the Capitol building so the public can pay their respects today thousands are expected to show up for the funeral at his home church something he said to a group of female reporters USA Today reports Brandon Taubman was celebrating the Astros win last Saturday and yelled several times toward the reporters things like quote I am so blessed order who was wearing a domestic violence awareness bracelet and they've apologized to her another's and fired the assistant gm for it as for what's happening on the field in the world series game under investigation by the San Francisco Chronicle reports high-voltage power lines broke in that area where the fire I started in fact the state's largest utility PG told St I'm glad we got a sooner will soon is a new pitcher who was suspended this year for allegedly assaulting his girlfriend the astros have now admitted that comment was targeted toward the three is tonight and game four in the best of seven series is tomorrow which means at this point we could have a world series winner this weekend if the Washington nationals keep winning stay tuned all right we have more news ahead but I thank you to our sponsor today blink first we're all busy people and so it can be hard the time to sit down and read and learn more about something we'll blink is just made it faster and easier to do that blink is the only APP that takes the best key takeaways from thousands of non in books and breaks them down for you into just fifteen minutes from self help to business history and the massive library on blink is always growing eight million people are already to start your free seven-day trial that's blinking spelled B. 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Conspiracies or Criminals?

The Financial Guys

21:56 min | 2 years ago

Conspiracies or Criminals?

"Investment advisory services offered to indepence walkman had been in blackwood. That's a management l._l._c. Broker services l._l._c. not affiliated solutions orphanage guys l._l._c. You're listening to the financial guys or twenty three trillion dollars in debt honey. We don't have an extra surplus of money. Newsflash guys stop attacking attacking businesses because when all the businesses are gone. Nobody's gonna pay your salary anymore. You get that if the goal is to create a loser mentality when you're winning. I'm going to build up right big beautiful wall with a big beautiful door. Well guess what we have a big beautiful door all right. Here's glenn wiggling like lomas already. Welcome back place. Her money meets politics global financial guys and and this is our second attempt at this. We had a little problems with the computer. Thank you rachelle fixing that appreciate it. Take to take two yeah mike lomas company go. This is the place for money. Politics have a lot of fun with this show. <hes> those of you may recognize us from newsradio nine thirty w._b._z. N. and w. f. t. o. down in south florida and <hes> last week we actually he did talk money on the podcast a lot of volatility in the stock market volatility continuing some uncertainty with the bond market and <hes> some signs of flashing of a possible future recession which <hes> you know maybe we can get to hear but <hes> it did talk a little bit about glenn's prediction a few weeks ago that mr epstein wouldn't make it past last two weeks. I think you actually almost called the day so are within a day or two of us. It's so frustrating. We'll talk about that before we get at the glen. This is locally here in buffalo nor tonto police chief warns of officer shortage now. I'm trying to think of who might have done a radio show. I don't know four or five years ago about the possibility of having officers shortages in the future because of these liberal left wing nut jobs opt not supporting our police officers wonder who that would have been under oh yeah right you've been d._v._d. Things like black lives matter and all the chance against police officers. Here's and police officers acted stupidly and massachusetts or connecticut brock obama. Yeah you know the <hes> attacking and ferguson the police officer ferguson and yeah so this is shocking. It's really shocked that you've got a way higher probability by the way of black person killing a black person and a police officer killing a black person in fact more white people have been killed. I police officers <hes>. You know it's amazing to me. I think you said before the podcast to a number of <hes> unfortunately <hes> police suicides in the last few weeks. I'm the stress is unreal. Unreal on some of these officers you know were more worried about putting a video camera on a police officer because they may be a little harsh issue with a criminal and we're more focused on that than we are actually stopping. The criminals were more worried about a police officer who may run into a building link to fast and maybe puhl somebody's hair too quickly than we are actually stopping the person robbing the southern eleven of the bank. It said <hes> you know it's amazing mazing. I turned on the news the other morning and i saw that the north tonawanda police chief saying we're gonna have we have a police officer. Shortage followed by a police officer being shot out in california and then i went on i went on and looked at what these police officers wages are and i think the average police officer wage in starting wage in the state of new york is around thirty three thousand bucks which to myra. You know if i'm right. He's that police officers about ten the. I don't know fifteen grand away from the starting salary on welfare pretty amazing right. I mean we're starting a police officer. Thirty three thousand is about ten grand away from welfare new york yeah but yet we have three folks on permanent welfare in the city of new york and forty-three thousand <hes> really sad i mean we knew this by the way it's going to get a lot worse. Folks going to get a lot worse and all you left wing liberals who live in these cities who were the ones saying you know god. Damn you police officers when you call nine eleven. They don't show up at your fault. That's right is your fault so think about this right and these poor police officers they sometimes have to react in a fraction of a second right so a suspect is instant dark. You know staircase case. Maybe a suspect reach into his coat. They have no idea right. They have to react and make decisions that potentially going to save their life and the life of their partners is is sometimes a second second half sometimes a half a second right and then all these attorneys all these left wing nut jobs will over analyze it for. Are you know as if somehow he had like an hour to make the decision well. Let's see let's let's review this. He was reaching into his coat and again. This is really unfortunate but let's just keep keep in mind for all those who is going like this really low. You could see to lincoln out that it was partly a phone there see it was a you know. He doesn't have time to make that decision. Now joe the person that he's pulled over by the way he knows it's been already arrested eighteen times a track out of the streets. That's right exactly so think about this right. I want people to remember this for all. Those folks say well. Trump is divisive. Trump is a racist trump is dividing the country trump trump trump. I want you to think about this for the second. When did antifa start was that did that start. When trump was elected or the dad start with during the obama years right wanted black lives matter start did that start during the trump years did that start during the obama years was a trump that said the police officers in connecticut acted stupidly was trump that said if i had a son he looked like trayvon was a trump that said hands up. Don't shoot that destroyed a police officer's life when there was absolutely no evidence of that they interviewed forty five witnesses mrs for that michael brown's shooting in ferguson missouri forty five plus witnesses not a single witness corroborated that initial statement about his his hands up not a one of them and yet the democrats. Some of them black way walked out onto the floor of the house of representatives with their hands up. How inappropriate appropriate is at so when they talk about the racial divide and they talk about the attack. New police obviously talk about the separation and division america. I just want folks. Remember just think think back. When did some of that division really start. Did it start in two thousand sixteen. What obama are when trump was elected or did it start in two thousand eight two thousand nine. What what obama took office because correctly run. We haven't had any riots in the streets during trump but we did have ferguson we had minneapolis. We had baltimore right. How many more am i missing. All those things happened under obama why because obama and the democrats were fanning the flames of racial divide. I'd just like they are today. It does so you know when you look at trump and when you talk about some of the comments he's made when a liberal 'cause races just ask ask them just dame one repeat one statement just one one tweet one statement or one comment that trump made that was overtly racist. Oh well you could say well. He talked about you know the people coming over the border. Being murders and rapists talked about a lot of big mercer. I guess what they are right okay. We're not all of them not all but let me tell you mexico's not setting their engineers their doctors swin the rio grande is and we're going to have to issues in the next ten years. <hes> that are going to be big big big issues number. One is a huge shortage of police officers and that's a shame because there's a lot of great people out there that want to serve the community number two is prison guards. We're gonna have a huge shortage of bridging art because the next thing they're doing now is spending more time putting cameras in the prison to monitor the prison guards who by the way are in these prisons without guns ons. Imagine that imagine you're you're in a prison like attica without a gun. Am now we're more word andrew cuomo and his buddies are more worried about giving the scumbags laptops app tops giving them air conditioning and making sure and making sure that we're monitoring the prison guards so they're one thousand percent respectful to these prisoners. So what does that mean. That means that if i'm a police officer in germany throws water at me. I better not attack him. You know what what if it's acid well. We don't know that right so so you should take a step back. What if i'm a prison guard and i have somebody throwing urine or feces on me. Well you know what you gotta treat them with respect who wants that job. I'll tell you what nobody and especially when we're starting to thirty three grant and we've got these folks who never want to work for a penny out starting on welfare at forty three thousand. It's an absolute. The joke of a minute or two left there real quickly glenn lieutenant governor hull ask how state intends to collect from canadians who aren't paying grand island bridge bridge tolls so these geniuses by the way <hes> took out the toll booth which should have took it out and just left it out because we all know that the roads look like crap here and the money's not going the roads but they didn't think it through the say okay just like our healthcare system now we have americans are footing. The bill and the canadians are going right through the dolls goals without actually paying them and there's no <hes> there's no system to track them down. What a joke. I think about this in advance. This is the same bureaucracy and bureaucrats trash right that coma was blasting the other day about not having the right water levels lake ontario like how hard is it. He said they should be able to control the water levels levels we we need to hold them accountable. We need an investigation well. How about this. I don't need investigation whose brother law got the job because it was political. Cronyism ism as opposed to the right engineer running. Who was the person who decided who got to contract for the cash lowest holes right. It's like who got the contract to the obamacare website. Oh that was michelle. Obama's roommate is the most this is why folks we hate government at big government. I don't hate god. I should say that this is why we prefer smaller government vermont over large bureaucracies right because nobody's ever held accountable right i they let me ask you. This are they. When it comes to government are they picking the best and the brightest and the most qualified qualify for some of these positions like the water authority no of course not of course not there's a political cronies earn points ahead of economic development put together a deal the senecas and forgot to put the money part in it right exactly exactly you're dealing with and by the way and by the way the message to all eu canadians etienne's out there. Who are you environmentalist love jobs. You are the most disgusting pigs. It's amazing to me how they are. They're all in the canadians that are all environmentally love love their healthcare system. They come and use our healthcare system. They love the environment. Yes they come to the galleria mall and dirty diapers and trash in the parking lot. It's amazing mazing dumping grounds for these people but our politicians are smart enough to figure it out. I we're gonna take a quick break. We come back. We'll talk about mr epstein and he's no longer with us. Surprise surprise breifly back money talks <music> all right welcome back place for money meets politics podcast mike lomas wiggle financial guys and we have a bunch of fun with this show. We do manage money for a living <hes>. Follow us on youtube to hit the like button by think it's below us. Make sure you go to our website by the way financial guys dot com for all our social media whether it's facebook twitter and follow us if you especially if you want to annoy some of your liberal friends we post a lot of nice stuff to the twitter page in in the facebook page so go to our website for all your social media needs and and mike lomas gumma go if you need us throughout the week folks we do manage money you can also go to our website and request an appointment whether you're down in south florida. We have offices down there and of course our flagship office three. Oh five spin spin drift here in williamsville new york <hes>. Let's talk a little bit about jeffrey epstein. <hes> this is amazing to me by the way not not amazing to me. I mean you call we. We did a show. You said he'll be gone in a week or two and then any was what blows your mind is. Millions of people around the world said he'd be gone in two weeks and he was has gone in two weeks and now we're finding out that a cellmate was released. The guard by the way that was on duty was a substitute guard real all right. This is like made for hollywood movie stuff. Is what this yes. The yards was a replacement right. He was a this mission impossible. Watching a <hes> was is left alone for hours. So here's a question right in every like half. The world knew that he was gonna be off in some way shape or form whether he was allowed to take like here mr obscene. Here's here's rope. That just happens to have a news hung in it already tied in the guard lease. He was left alone for hours. He was left alone alone for hours and what is a blows. My mind is this guy is a he's just a treasure chest of information. You have to break up some of the biggest scumbag scumbag rings in the world. How in the world is he not duct taped to a chair first of all. This guy is the worst of the worst right not only is he a sex offender yeah yeah he was a sex trafficker. Big difference folks okay right. It's a big difference between somebody who goes you know goes after an sexually you know solid somebody under the age of eighteen. It's another whole fact right so let's walk through the time line for a second year. Okay let's go through some of the facts as we know them so far first of all the article that i read from a._b._c. says he was he was he committed suicide. Under mysterious circumstances well no no crap right so the the guard was a replacement number one right. They took him off of suicide. Watch the removed his cellmate. They stopped watching him right. No cameras are on him. He got regular bench. The guard was a substitute guard glenn. The heck with a card wasn't even a professional guard. It was a substitute apart. Hillary's group was he. Was he part of hillary staff. I mean seriously yeah. That's what i said who was watching him the clinton foundation. That's all he was. He was under twenty four or seven surveillance but it was the clinton foundation that was watching them right. I mean that is this is disgusting scary and the best part is now. They're going to send in the f._b._i. Oh i hope he told me back in about that. Let's get to the bottom of that one. Those that don't picked at the f._b._i. Is totally corrupt. I don't know where your head's at but let let's go back for a second. Gotta remember a robert muller just for a second here. Okay robert mother was back about fifteen years ago at the time was then acting director of the f._b._i. Right the f._b._i. Had an informant who was also a mobster murderer named whitey bulger in boston. Now there were three or four other people that i i think it was three people that were sitting in jail that got prosecuted and chara and and and put in jail convicted of the murders of these people now robert mueller knew that it was whitey bulger who actually killed people and every petition for parole to allow these other folks to get how he blocked right so robert muller intentionally kept innocent people in jail knowing that it was whitey bulger the f._b._i. Informant that actually was the one who had killed these people now the f._b._i. Continued to i don't know what information they were getting but they will continue to protect ms individual despite the fact act that they knew that he was a murderer now as soon as this information came out as soon as it's information started the surface water they do. They transferred whitey bulger from the prison. He was in to another prison down in virginia. He was dead within one week one week right so as soon as this guy starts talking goes yeah. I'll be happy to share my story. I'm eighty six years all darwin awesome eighty four years old. I happy to tell you all about the things i did with the f._b._i. They transfer him gone just like that right so i used to never think think i used to never believe in the deep state. I used to never believe in conspiracy theories and things like that. I got to tell you folks. I'm starting to believe when you talk about this s. one okay. This one's almost too obvious mike. They're just doing it right. In front of us didn't even care. They really don't care what's sad about it. Is the fact that you if you want a really stop some of these pedophile rings. You have stop the scumbags from doing what they're doing. You gotta cut the head of the snake off right and when you're talking talking about a billionaire who's literally transporting people to an island. I bill clinton. That's where you start you start with the big money people and it's really sad he would have been able to take down not only democrats but all kinds of republicans hollywood movie had all these other folks and what an mark my words by the way it won't just be him like follow the charter the clintons because there'll be some other people that will go missing in the natural humans here at that their car will miraculously fall off a bridge. You know so <hes> they they committed suicide as well. I can't believe it but watch and see the the outer ring of this thing breakdown. Oh absolutely no doubt about it. Here's a really sad part. That frustrates me mike. If we actually had journalism in america today there would be a journalist and investigators all over this right. They would already be talking to the psychologist allergist. I took them off of a suicide watch. It would already be talking to prison guards d._v._d. But data here's how pathetic the media is right. You could feed dan anything. All you gotta do is say. Give them a tip. Give them a tip. They could easily the f._b._i. Could feed a tip to the to the to the morons in the mainstream extreme media and they will eat it up like gospel and report an anonymous tip as if it's fact how many reporters have had to resign for falsely reporting information at the new york times c._n._n. Dan right but it's so easy so easy in fact we should play this game. We should release anonymous tip to like c._n._n. Or something that has dirt on trump and see if these idiots bite on it. I bet you they will but that's how easy it is for the f._b._i. To basically ernie other intelligence agency to slip a little anonymous leak to the media the media media will eat it up and run with it a._b._c. Reports it and then every other news outlet reports would a._b._c. reported and then they use each other's reports crab each other. It's a joke but you said one thing. That's really important. I want the backup to mike and that is the outer circle distant collapsing grizzly max waits skates gonna go watch that grizz lane maxwell apparently the women who sourced sourced a lot of these underage girls. The steering asli has gone missing right the f._b._i. And you're right. This is wednesday now. What's today wednesday eh august fourteen. They'll never find her as of this day. How can the f._b._i. Possibly somebody like that slip through the cracks house. Now you watch sh she either never be found or she will be found dead somewhere of an apparent suicide or as you said mike why how many single engine plane goes down one car crash has happened free types of assessments to fall off a bridge yeah with anybody associated with that with this whole cabal will just mysteriously stereotypically suddenly go away and i gotta tell you it's unreal openly in our face now. They're not even trying to make it look. I mean they can get away away with it. We did a podcast two weeks ago you call that he would be gone and a lot of people call me it was like and it was almost so obvious and two weeks later. He's he's seized at a us just end with some money. I will say this. We're starting to see some signs in the bond market of a possible future recession. I've been saying for a long time. There's two things that president trump is is is failing and that is the data and the debt. I'll tell you this. The debt in this country needs to be addressed big time which means we need to cut the size of the government. That's the first debt. The second part of the debt is that we should have cut the size of welfare because it's a huge problem in this country and why is that turning into a problem turn into a problem because we're having a labor shortage in the market is slowing down right now because business owners cannot hire people and we've got forty million people still on food stamps which is a real shame <hes> so i would tell you this as an investor. It's time the rebalanced portfolios. We've been doing it through the positive years. I'm not saying you time the market. We don't believe in that but i am saying you need to make subtle adjustments to try to take advantage of the volatility well shells ptolemy glenn. We've got thirty seconds left to wrap it up all right well. If you need us go to our website the financial guys dot com but like you said mike. We've had some good gains in the last twelve months or so. There's certainly you're today. Take the opportunity rebalance. If you need our help go to our website the financial guys dot com yeah and it doesn't just mean because a bond markets flashing sign. We don't have twelve twenty four months happened in nineteen nineteen ninety-five same thing and we went into five more years of a raging bull my just saying you need to make subtle adjustments. Take advantage of the volatility volatility could be your friend. If you don't panic original website financial guys dot com. We'll see you next week. Don't forget us on youtube. Financial guys channel will be back. Check us out on saturday on newsradio nine thirty w._b._z. Yeah w. f. t. l. on software <music>.

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Top Democrats Take The Stage: What We Learned About The Direction Of The Race

The Diane Rehm Show

34:15 min | 1 year ago

Top Democrats Take The Stage: What We Learned About The Direction Of The Race

"By supporting on my mind you help us bring you thoughtful fact-based conversations whenever and wherever you listen and I'd like to invite you to make a contribution today at Diane Ream Dot Org Slash donate and thank you Diane on my mind the third democratic debate last night in Texas. We got to see the ten top. Candidates shared the stage for the first time. Democratic primary debate starts right now they discussed healthcare. The richest individuals and the biggest corporations are going to pay more and middle class families are going to pay a less guns Co.. Yes we're GONNA take your ar fifteen or AK forty seven and even fielded a few questions about foreign policy. I remember president trump scoffed and said he'd like to see me making a deal with Xi Jinping. I'd like to see him making a deal. Which Edward Isaac Dove Bayer is is at at the Atlantic. He is in Houston to watch the candid ended square off and join me to talk about what if anything we learned and the debate set the stage for a new Fayed Said said the campaign Isaac Jared. Thanks for joining us. It's great to be here. The primary has been reported as kind of a battle between the moderate and progressive wings have the party. What did you see last night. How did you feel about what you saw last night. Well some of it is about the ideological divisions in the party in what to do about health care how much one should trust corporations like insurance companies run things versus the government running things and some of it is about a posture of aggressiveness and how much to look at what happened with the election of Donald Trump as the start of a new way of doing things a more combative way of doing things and some of it is about perspective the what difference of a generational shift that would come if the nominee is not Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders and even if now was Warren who is a little bit younger than Biden Sanders but is seventy herself and you see that contrast to the rest of the field essentially when you've got be the judge Cory Booker Kamala Harris that our work each of them trying to establish themselves as the new Voice of a newer party you know it was so interesting because people kept thinking that last night was going to be this great sort of clash between Warren and Biden and yet. That's not what really happened. It's not an part of the the reason why people thought it would happen is because Biden's aides spent the earlier part of the week saying that it would happen and other part of the reason is because to date even though we've had four nights of live debates the way the random drawing when when there were two nights in Miami in tonight's into trade warning Biden ended up on separate stages so this is the first time in this debate they have been next to each other and with the dynamics of the race what they are it looked like maybe that's the setup for confrontation and then Biden's team as I said leaned into that idea biden himself never really delivered on that a couple of times he he tried to but mostly it was in his first answer about healthcare when he said that warrant is with Bernie Bernie Sanders and he's with Brock Brock Obama defending Obamacare Llama care which of course is interesting in itself because Barack Obama has said that he thinks Medicare for all is a good idea. It was interesting Joe. Biden seemed more energetic. More on TAP is game. It would seem as though there's been a lot for cursing going on and would you agree the these candidates spend days and weeks and preparation gration for hours. one campaign told me that the day before the debate they had six hours of debate prep than another two. You were three on the day of the debate and that's just in that final stretch but this has been going on for them for a long time and in a nonstop way also also there through what they're doing on the campaign trail rehearsing obviously there were I can tell you diane from being out on the campaign trail and hearing these people will make their pitches all the time. A lot of the lines were pretty familiar to me so how solid do think Biden's performance events was people. Say is his nomination to lose. Did he do anything to shake that image last night right. I don't think that we should ever expect or should ever expect that. One debate will change the fundamental dynamics of race. Biden has been in this secure but not strong spot as the front runner he has got thirty ish percent points in every poll that means that seventy percent of people are saying they want someone else and that may be enough for him to get over the line in the nomination but I'll tell you from talking to people out in the the early states in Iowa in New Hampshire where it was last weekend. What consistently comes up is the response from voters. Say Wow now this one's in my top three or my top four. I'm not really sure yet. Biden has more people who seem like they are with him most of them because because they're just essentially terrified of Donald Trump winning reelection and think that more people are going to vote for Biden and so they're going to vote for Biden but it's certainly not secure yet and we are back four and a half months from the Iowa caucuses about five and a half months then from the Super Tuesday a day at the beginning of March will probably be what determines who the nominee is and there are a lot of twists and turns of this race will probably take AAC. Few of them seem to be on the debate stage. What would you say are. The insecurities that people talk about is had Biden Age is it his few stumbles that he's made in debates past. Is it what he had to say a about slavery last night which got pretty muddled. What do the voters you've talked to say. It's all those things it's connected to age. People say something like his time may have passed or I just want something fresh. which is about how does age but also about how long he's been on the public stage he was elected to the Senate in Nineteen seventy-two. He's been national figure since the late seventies early eighties when people start to get to know he. I thought about running for president in Nineteen eighty-four. He tried to run for president in nineteen eighty eight. He thought about it. A bunch of other times did did run in two thousand eight thought about it again. In Two thousand fifteen for the sixteen race didn't and now ran so it's depending on how you count six ish presidential cycles that have included Joe Biden that just wears on people over time it also though to his benefit creates a level of familiarity and and personal connection that people feel with him that goes deeper than than any of the other candidates can hope to and whether that carries them through in the end we will see yeah and what about his response tone slavery last night if you are looking for Joe Joe Biden to have crisp clear answers on many issues that are outside of his direct wheelhouse then you're you're not going to get it and that is part of what to Biden campaign aides is his appeal that he is being real and talking about things there there was a briefing that three of his campaign aides did right before the debate in Houston and we can only talk accuweather as campaign officials are campaigns whenever they said but one of them said yeah he gets dates wrong and he gets details wrong and he gets places and names wrong but people feel like he's the real Joe Biden he's just talking about things and so you know that can lead him into to that answer and slavery and also can lead them into what when he said that you wanted to divide Afghanistan into three parts he was really I think talking about his old plan to divide Iraq into three parts but if people want Joe Biden than they know what they're getting and whether getting is somebody who speaks in that way it was is interesting in the earlier debate you ahead the other candidates criticizing Barack Obama and some of his his policies. We didn't hear that so much less night part of what happened was that that second debate in Detroit in July ally which is when Biden was on stage and other candidates seem to be taking some issue with the Obama era policies and Biden and then afterwards afterwards tried to make this while I'm the one standing up for Obama and I don't know what these other people are doing. The other candidates were of course sensitive to that and didn't WANNA fall into that trap again even as Biden right and himself has distanced himself from some parts of the Obama record and in the debate on Thursday could not answer the question about deportations in a way that he thought would work and so he just at that point said well. I I was the vice president instead of the way that talked about the Obama record today which is the Obama Biden record as if he is an equal partner and he was the vice president who was an adviser adviser to Barack Obama but he was not an equal partner in the Obama Administration. Everybody knows that it's it does make for a pretty good campaign pitch though I'm today or works stood out last night with his comments about our fifteen an AK forty sevens. Do you think he gained ground last night. I spent a lot of time in the last week and a half with better rourke and there there is certainly a change in him that came from that El Paso shooting a passing means a lot to sort of defines himself by his hometown he he said to me that he did not see what was going on in the country and the way he does now before the shooting you can look at that and say it took shooting in your hometown to open your eyes. All these things that you think are so terrible but one way or the other he is in a different place a mental psychologically about himself and about the race that this debate took place in Texas made it so that he was on on the ground where people wanted to hear about the shooting and there are still thinking about shooting and of course the second shooting that happened at the end of August and it meant that because it was only about five weeks ago it's still very fresh in people's minds so that he kept on getting turned to not just by the moderators by other other candidates to say. We really appreciate what you said about the shooting high responded to that gave him a real opportunity to stand out. Do you think that move tame forward in terms of his standing among all those candidates well. We'll see there are things that he has talked about that are probably legislatively impossible like trying to do mandatory buybacks of assault rifles but what he wants is for people people to hear the level of crisis that he sees in America and they should feel with him and that they should feel connected to someone who is ready to call it out. He was very passionate. I must say and came across more strongly than I ever very seen him up to now. I can tell you that from talking with his campaign aides while the debate was going on and then afterwards. They were quite happy with how he came across. Better work is a gifted public speaker but he is a bad debater. He was a bad debater going up against Ted. A cruise in the Senate race last year in Texas. Ted Cruz is a skilled debater going back to his high school and college days I and better workers just not suited really to the debate stage the way that he talks the way that he tries to get his point across but there is no question that in this third debate he really did find a way to channel all a lot of what he's been saying and much more Narrative Butterfly Strokes that he tends to speak in into directed answers on that stage. You know that brings me to the question of what happens now. Last night you had ten candidates on the stage because the Democratic National Committee rules after last night. Are they going to move to reduce that number again again for the October debate so the rules that were set up is that the qualifications the criteria for the September debate debate and the October debate are the same so everybody who was on stage and Houston will be on stage in the next debate which is in Ohio right after Columbus Day additionally. Finally Tom Steyer the billionaire activist has qualified for that debates and now that is eleven candidates and it does seem like there's a pretty good chance that Tulsi Tulsi Gabbard the congresswoman from Hawaii will qualify mathematically the likelihood that one of the other candidates will qualify in between now and then is pretty low now but what that means is that we could end up in October with two nights of debate again and then for November December Burn January. Those thresholds will be moved up. Surely those candidates as well as I are going to have to worry about the public just getting so weary of these debates without really understanding ending who might be the best candidate to take on Donald Trump. That is definitely the case and we are into. I think thirteen eighteen hours of debates aren't between the two nights each and Miami and Detroit for the first few debates and then this debate in Houston there is this big question of how how much stamina the audience has yeah yeah exactly exactly well now. Let's talk about foreign policy. He is a white you think we learned last night about the barriers candidate stances on that issue Joe Biden. Obviously Asli has the most experience and the race on foreign policy but saying the most. It's not even really a comparison. The other candidates in the race don't have foreign house experience for the most part. Comma Harissa served on the Homeland Security Committee and the Intelligence Committee in the Senate for the last two years and she got to the Senate Elizabeth Warren cited her trip to Iraq with John McCain in two thousand seventeen and I think there were there for about a day and it was two and a half years ago. Oh so if you're talking about experience dealing with these things then there's not a whole lot of it and then it goes back from that drops off precipitously to like keep Buddha judge who served in the military enough Ghanistan and then it becomes about people's ideas about what to do and and one might be able to say that Joe Biden saying I've met Nicholas Maduro and I've confronted him is not as significant in issue is Biden would I'd like to be and go back and think about the way that Barack Obama when he was running was criticized for not knowing any foreign leaders preserve any having any foreign policy experience he had been sitting in Springfield Illinois in the State Senate but he put himself forward as the person who had a new perspective effective on the twenty th century and America's role in the world and obviously that worked he was elected even though throughout the race that came up as the big problems for him if you go back and think and don't remember if it was still in two thousand seven hundred two thousand eight but in one of the primary debates Obama got in trouble for saying when he would meet with Iran and he'd be willing to Hillary Clinton beat him up quite for that as did many other people but that did precipitate the kind of foreign policy especially where he was willing to sit down and talk with people opened up relations with Cuba was able to get Iran deal forward so it's up to the the candidates who are not Joe Biden to say yeah. Having experience is great but we're looking for something else. China well that becomes an issue that is about foreign policy but also about domestic economics because it the way that played out in the debate and that is playing out so far largely politically because of what president trump has been doing is via the trade war and whether there will be removal the tariffs that president trump has put in and his promise to put in more of and so that becomes somewhat about what kind of relationship relationship you have with Beijing but also how are you going to address what's going on with farmers and how are you going to address what happens when jobs are continuing to move overseas from the United States because the Labor standards and wages are lower overseas and none all of the candidates has so far been able to answer exactly what they would do if said what they wouldn't do. I think it's striking that of the twenty twenty five candidates that were running there was only one who was willing to stand by the trans-pacific partnership deal that Barack Obama had made it a priority for the end of his presidency that would have connected the United States with eleven other countries around the Pacific Canada South America and Asia Asia and had a a Nafta like agreement Nafta like but it was there much stronger standards a a much higher standards for Labor wages and things of that sort Joe Biden campaigned on behalf of that deal and has since said he doesn't like that deal anymore for all the things that he says he wants to do exactly like Obama. That's not one of them so the only candidate who stood by his John Delaney the former congressman it's been from Maryland who has not really been much of a factor in the race so far. That's what he would do other candidates. I'm not sure exactly what they were on trade and how they would deal with China except to not deal with it the way that Donald Trump has that was part of what people judge said that trump had had criticized for not being able to make a deal with China but I have seen the trump hasn't been able to make China either. Take a short break when we come back more Edward Isaac explore New Zealand and Australia South East Coast next year with Diane Ring for eighteen days you can travel from Auckland New Zealand to Melbourne and Sydney aboard the cruise ship Silver Muse along the way you'll visit Furans national park. The journey ends with two nights day. Considering more information is at Diane Ream Dot Org. Here's the rest of my conversation nation with Edward Isaac Dove Air his staff writer at the Atlantic and host job Radio Atlantic podcast and we hadn't talked much about Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders. How well did they stand out last night or or not. What Bernie Sanders is someone like Joe Biden and that you know what you're getting with Bernie Sanders his the most consistent person onstage and he is one of the most consistent people in national politics now it doesn't mean that people necessarily like what he has to say okay but he has been saying it for the most part nonstop for the last fifty years that he's been running for office or in office and and there is no question that he has shaped a reshaped what the Democratic Party thinks about especially Ashley around healthcare but around other issues as well that came out from his twenty sixteen campaign that that goes to the discussion about free college or her what to do about student debt all those things sanders kind of put into the bloodstream of the Democratic Party and now it's about the antibodies the bloodstream trying to figure out whether they're going to accept it and that's where Sanders stands with Warren she has continued to be be there in the race and I think that's important. She's built herself up organically from an early in the race where she was doing really really badly and now is just a presence in it. There is no way to think about this race going forward where Warren is not a defining signing factor in it and when I talked to people on the ground and the grass roots in the grass tops the the operative class the power players and the Democratic Party most of them think right now that she is the odds on favorite to be the nominee say that again I I think when I talk to people whether they're democratic activists or people showing up at events or people people who are in leadership positions in the party. There is the sense that she will be the nominee. She is the odds on favorite to be the nominee. Even as biting continues to lead now of course statistically Biden has been ahead of her in every poll I think with maybe one or two exceptions and ahead for now by a point or two and most of them but I'm more that but what that will look like as people get more serious about this race and think more about by them and also importantly as the organizational part of this really comes into play and it's not about who do you like and who have you heard of but more about campaigns campaign's activating their voters getting them to vote when it comes to the caucuses especially that's essential but that will continue to be a big thing through those early states state's New Hampshire Nevada South Carolina and then setting things up for that Super Tuesday at the beginning of March of next year when there is going to being a massive nationwide campaign essentially that goes on that includes California Texas Massachusetts North Carolina Minnesota. It's all over the place. It's going to be a huge the operation and basically would be a dry run for running a general election campaign. I'm so fascinated that these high-level democratic up her. Dave's thing that Liz is Warren will end up at the top of the ticket. What about a Biden War ticket. Does anybody thinking in those terms. I think we're a little bit premature for people putting together tickets. Joe Abidin himself tried to convince those worn to be his running mate out of the gate. If he had run in two thousand sixteen they had meeting in two thousand fifteen where that was essentially his pitch and she didn't of course he didn't end up running then so maybe it'll come back to that but we've got. We've got a lot of room to go pretty sure you're a what the ticket looks like exactly now one thing. I wanted to ask you about David Leonhardt wrote New York town. Stat all all these. Democrats are not focused things fictionally on trump and trump's failures that they we are not attacking him sufficiently. What's your take on that. In a different people have different opinions on this can't be all about trump. It has to be all about trump. He has to talk about trump is a symptom talk about trump is the cause and so and then depending on the voter depending on the strategist depending on the the focus group that you're doing depending hang on the analysts that is what the conversation is being guided by but there is certainly not one sense of this. I hear people say that. They don't want to hear about trump anymore and also that was that almost every time every candidate gives a speech the biggest applause lines are the ones where they take it. Take trump and trump of course has already begun to talk about twenty twenty four well. He started talking about running for reelection while he was in the transition period before he was inaugurated. He said his Twenty sixteen slogan was make America Great and has twenty twenty. It's going to be keep America great which essentially meant that he was saying that just by electing electing him America was greater and sure enough. That's the the relations luggage they've been using. Keep America great has his debate was going on last night. It was speaking to Republicans in Baltimore saying if Democrats are elected that country will go to hell and this is what I think we'll see much more over the course of the next year. It's not really a surprise at this point and of course it came a couple of hours hours after he said he had respect for everybody running and then even in that same speech in Baltimore called a couple of people by nicknames or talked about them dismissively so that's Donald Trump is and anybody who doesn't know who Donald Trump is at this point hasn't been paying attention to almost anything since he part of every part of American thought and culture at this point so when people go to vote they will know what they are voting for if they vote for Donald Trump if they're driven by Groin against them they'll certainly know what they're going against with with run against Donald Trump you know you've been busy on this debate this week but we also also had an election in North Carolina a special election. What do the results tell us about twenty twenty if anything well let's say a couple of things that's a district that donald trump won comfortably and then was a dogfight into the end and so that would seem to say that the Democrats are moving into a stronger position in a lot of places that you wouldn't have thought that they are strong that's of course the Republican one and moving into a stronger position all nice and Dandy but it matters who wins these elections and the Republicans still one. I know who you're in the middle of writing a book with the Subtitle Democrats Kratz crisis in trump Pierre's. Tell us what your definition of crisis is It's many things things. It's an existential crisis. It's an electoral crisis. It's a a crisis of confidence in themselves and what they thought the country would be and them as a crisis about having all those crises is anything you're hearing so far in these debates debate going to change that well so far. It's still the growing pains of what this party is. Maybe becoming and we will see over the course of a nine more debates ahead of us what this looks like but more importantly Orion the debates the the five months of the campaign until we likely get to a nominee and then what happens forward from that of course when Hillary Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders for the nomination the party could not sort out what it was and could not come together even as Bernie Sanders tried to tell people vote for Hillary Clinton there. There's just a resistance to it and thought that she was not connected with their politics in matters in that respect who wins the nomination and it matters what happens with all the other elements of the party around him well. If you had to say now what you believe that Democrat Party is becoming what would down be. I think we're still getting the answer to that question. I do think that one of the things that has happened with trump is is that it's been a very clarifying thing for many people in politics because he is so clearly one position on issue that he has made it if you don't agree with him then at least you know where you are roughly and then it's about what you do with that and that has changed what what voters look like where the allegiances are have over the course of American political history certain elections that change what the makeup of of an electorate as the nineteen sixty four election after Lyndon Johnson was moving on civil rights legislation the nineteen ninety-four election when you had Democrats who were in the South actually moving become the Republicans are they all always were and Republicans in the Northeast East over time finished moving into being the Democrats so they always were and it seems like twenty sixteen might have been the the beginning of a new pathway Glenn that find him question fee. You think that these debates are really the way to help. Voters learn learn more about each of these candidates and to define what it is. They want to see moving forward. He's an excellent question. Diane and it is pretty obvious that the answer is now that they so far have not been so illuminating. How could would they be but they have taken on. This outside is important in this race already because of who makes the stage and who doesn't and that will continue to be the case would be a better way that I'm not sure that's sort of what it comes down to yeah the Winston Churchill Line right right. It's too bad because there is not much that we as voters need to know before we go to the polls and I'm not sure that these debates are really giving us that. Dan Understanding and just wish somebody could figure out that way. Maybe that's your next task well. I will I'll I'll take it under that I have to sort out what happens with any party the Republican Party at this point to to figure out how to explain itself better indeed. Thank you so much thanks to him. That's all for today. Find us on facebook and twitter or email D. R. podcast dead. WMU Dot Org our theme music is composed by Jim Bromberg Atlantans for Wunderle. This show is produced by Rebecca Kaufman and Alison Brody her engineer. This week is Natalie your liquor thanks for listening living on Diane Rain Join. WMU's Diane ream for a voyage across New Zealand and the southeastern coast of Australia in the spring of twenty twenty more about the eighteen day cruise aboard the ships Silver Muse is at Diane Ream Dot Org.

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Betting on Beto O'Rourke

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Betting on Beto O'Rourke

"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash W. S J that's indeed dot com slash W. S j. From the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal. This is Potomac watch. Robert Francis Aurora aka Beto O'Rourke jumps into the presidential race. What's his sales pitch to Democrats? Plus a Senate joins a house in overriding, President Trump's declaration of an emergency at the southern border and a dozen Senate Republicans joined the Democrats to over ride welcome. I'm Paul zhigo here with my colleagues in New York Leach Finley Hel, Hello aleisha. Hey, Paul and Dan integrate all so let's talk about Abeto. I the the man who electrified Democrats in the Twenty-eight teen coming close in Texas to defeating Senator Ted Cruz within three points and doing it in electrifying fashion because of the eighty million dollars. He raised from around the country, most of it from relatively small donors, and and giving Democrats the the tantalizing hint Alicia that maybe they can put Texas in play in the presidential race. He's a three term congressman from the Paso area. Spoarer small software ran a software business, and what's his sales pitch now to Democrats having lost a race, which is not typically a credential for a presidential run. What's his sales pitch now to Democrats that he could be their presidential nominee? Well, he has very aspirational tone. A he appeals to a somewhat populist instinct in the party without sounding dour legs, Elizabeth Warren or strident for that matter or Br actually for the most part for most of the candidates who have announced. He's doesn't sound angry. He has very he's a unifying sales pitch. He's calling to unite Republicans and Democrats a little bit leg Brock Obama's. There's no right of America. There's no blue America said, oh, you can't be too much of a Republican too much of a dumber cried too much of a non voter to be quote, unquote, part of this whatever any of this actually means a good question. What it means? So what the Dan, but the Democrats have thrown up nominees like this before think of sort of the the the amorphous idealism of of a candidate to Jimmy Carter running after Nixon and nineteen Seventy-six hall. Homemade America better Bill Clinton on the candidate of hope. Rock Obama in nineteen thousand two thousand eight also at leashes said, no red stay, no red America more. No blue Marica, though. He he ran he in government in office. He became a lot more liberal than he campaigned on. So this is not a new phenomenon. Among Democrats, the the the relatively unknown outsider and it had some luck with it. And we'll see if that pitch works this time. Well, yeah. But I mean, Jimmy Carter Bill Clinton Beddoe work. Casper the friendly ghost compared to those guys. I mean, they were both governors of states. Bill Clinton is several times and they were hard nose politicians. So I was standing Jimmy Carter's soft soap persona eight played hardball. When he ran. And there's kind of a question whether better all work is going to be able to play hard ball against the crew that he's running against Bernie Sanders camera Harris Kerstin Jila brand whose father was the foremost, lobbyist Albany, the capital of New York. These are not people that play softball in their politics, and a rook nonetheless has I think Paul I I can't explain it certainly, but people sent him eighty million dollars with all over the country, and he came in close in Texas behind he animated something inside of Texas. And I do think he has a certain degree of significant charisma a'magic and a lot of senators who've run for the presidency. Just don't have it. They don't quite have the thing that got say think of the president's we've had since World War Two. Dwight Eisenhower JFK LBJ Bill Clinton, even George W Bush a lot of these people just had this little something other than made to Mabel compete on a national stage. I wrote about this recently mentioned some of the women who've been heads of state, Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi. These people commanded a room when they walked into it. And I'm not suggesting that better ho- Rourke is the second coming of golden a year. But the guy has got something that attracts a lot of people. And he's obviously decided to throw it against the wall and see if it sticks. But is that was that something in Texas Alicia that fact that he was also running against Ted Cruz who Democrats probably hate a second on the list next, Donald Trump? And and and that was part of the moment as well. Two thousand ten pretty good. Two thousand eighteen very good year for Democrats nationally question is as he enters this field of the long knives known as the democratic field is that same kind of charisma by itself going to going to carry the day. Well, I think there's one question is, well, if you look back in two thousand he the way he was elected to congress. It was he actually unseeded democrat eight term democrat in two thousand twelve so he wanted primary in which he was actually at a disadvantage Brock Obama actually endorsed his his opponent than Covent. And so he did this by peeling to this kind of centrist, moderates Republicans with a bipartisan appeal. The other issue is well, they're the field them crack field this year or next year could balloon to maybe twenty candidates how much attention is really can be focused on him. A lot of the people are probably read going after Joe Biden Bernie Sanders who right now talk the polls. So how can he just skate by a while essentially being a political cypher he'll be competing? I think with Biden for in that lane of the primary process, relative centrist means a liberal. But he's he's not a socialist. He even says he's a capitalist flavor. Not maybe he'll be a socialist. By the end of the primaries, if he gets battered enough, but the point is that he's right now appealing to relative centrist wing of the Democratic Party. And and therefore one of his messages will be elected -bility. He's going to be making the implicit case, maybe sometimes explicitly. That that he can win. He can be Trump. He can protects us and play. He's not somebody who's going to alienate, those Republican voters in the suburbs. That the or in the nor the the white working class folks in the midwest and Owen, Pennsylvania, the candidates going to need to the Democrats are going to need to defeat Donald Trump. And so in a way the quest. One of the big questions will be are the Democrats gonna vote this time for a nominee who is somebody. They think full can best fulfill their highest priority, which is beating Donald Trump or somebody who's a little more consistent on a on a regular basis untrustworthy as a matter of their ideology, like Bernie Sanders or or Kamala, Harris or Elizabeth Warren. We'll, you know, those are all important legitimate questions, and which we're going to have to wait for answers. And I think the big moment. In my mind is going to be when Democrats start debating one another for better or worse. These debates become a kind of determining factor in how people perform God knows how and they're supposed to have one in June. Right. Yeah. I think that's the first. Yeah. And I mean that's gonna come up quickly. I God knows how they're going to stage this debate with upwards of sixteen or seventeen people. But let's say in the interest of what they call equity all sixteen of them have to be on the stage together one way or another some of them are going to emerge some are going to perform well, and some of them aren't and as soon as those debates are over there's going to be a whole spate of opinion. Polls ranking them on the basis of that performance, and those people who perform well in those opinion polls and those debates are going to be declared the front runners it's a crude way to decide who's doing. Well, and who isn't. But better will work is going to have to stand up there. And in this kind of touchy feely way compete with people at camera Harris and Elizabeth Warren, presumably Bernie Sanders who are going to be talking about real issues in substance. It becomes out of those events that he comes out of that event. Paul in the top three. There's something real there that the other guys are going to have to contend with. We're talking about Beto O'Rourke as a democratic candidate and the Senate versus Donald Trump tower. You're listening to Potomac watch from the Wall Street Journal are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash W. S J that's indeed dot com slash W s j. From the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal. This is Potomac watch. Welcome back. I'm Paul zhigo with Dan Hannigan and Alicia Finley. So let's finish up with Beto. He is I think the best chance he would have is if Biden swimming, former vice president Biden gets in if Biden blew up somehow or just proved to be unappealing as he has in the past twice when he ran for president nineteen eighty eight and two thousand eight so he has that in him. But at least is better will Rourke swimming Biden's in and the current cast is is in with one or two others is better or work in the top tier candidates or a little lower down. I him in the top tier? I think he can appeal to the youth money vote actually in a way the Biden can't grant a he'll probably be competing with Bernie Sanders for some those. But when you think of generations Z who never really experienced Brock Obama. This is going to be there there infatuation interesting. I I really don't know what to make of Beto myself. I really have a harder time getting a fix on them. I mean, I think the best the the reason that that I think he might have a chance to be in the top tier is this the fact that Democrats love to love their nominee. I mean Republicans pardon the the stereotype here. But by and large Democrats, they really they want. You were saying this on our TV show. They wanna feel good about the one. I mean, they wanna make them feel good about feeling good. And and this is an Beddoe makes them feel good. You know, that's going to be. She I think a part of his appeal that the the harder edged candidate like a Elizabeth Warren, even though if you believe what she says about capitalism, and you believe what she says about breaking up the tech giant's hard to love Elizabeth Warren really is. Well, you know, we've been referring here all all through this to Beto, and I have both been struck Paul by how our friend Karl rove absolutely refuses that. That always calls them. Robert francis. Rourke suggesting Carl's belief is that it's the name. It's this one mysterious word Beto, that's at least fifty percent of his appeal. Well, I I it's a diminutive of of of Roberto, right? The the Hispanic the Spanish, Robert. But he I think Carl also, you know, as a Texan finds him just a bit preposterous in his kind of lack of definition. Well, all right. We'll see how how well Beto does. Let's turn to the Senate of vote to override President Trump's declaration of a border emergency. The vote was fifty nine to forty one in the Senate with twelve Democrats which over publicans joining all the Democrats in defending Dan, this kind of rebuke rarely happens to a first term president particularly of members of his own party. I can think of backing Reagan, you know, the some of the Republicans voted to override him on the South African sanctions issue. But that was in his second term. And yet you had a dozen of them the fact and so as a row, it was a thorough going repudiation. The president, of course can veto will veto. And and then it'll go to the house for an override that will probably fail enough oats the first time to override a veto. So the president will succeed in the sense that he'll be. Able to execute on his emergency at least until it's joined by the courts. Yeah. That's right. And you know, there's there's a good question going on at kind of a a little bit of a well, it's a significant mystery at the center of what's happened, which is what exactly does President Trump want out of this process out of what's going on some of the Republican senators had talked about assembling as five or so billion dollars from other sources and appropriating that and getting started on building the wall, the White House and the president apparently rejected that idea insisting that it come through the way he wanted it. I have argued that. I think Trump is keeping the issue alive because it animates his base. He keeps sending out tweets about it uses. It kind of the same way Barack Obama gave all his speeches about the one percent and the wealthiest Trump just thinks it's a good issue for him connecting with his base nonetheless that raises the question of whether that base wants to be agitated for the next two years over the unbuilt wall, or whether they would regard the president getting the five billion dollars and starting building the wall and moving forward on this as a substantial accomplishment and victory as a fulfillment of that promise at the moment, Paul it appears that the White House is going with the former strategy using the unbuilt wall as a campaign issue to carry them forward over the next year or so but doing it at the risk of alienating significant members of. A Republican members of the Senate. I talked to Senator this week today actually who met with Trump this week. And he said he's he's he's pretty angry. Trump is he's he's feels that he played ball with Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan the in the last congress, they didn't get them the money that he said he was going to get. And so he decided that this is such a the border security issue was so central to his candidacy and his election that he had to go the emergency root to show his base that he was willing to do what he what took to get the wall. And and he's angry that these Republicans are now not sticking with him. And you can see it in some of his tweets, and the fact that he's saying he basically saying that he voted against me. You're voting with Nancy Pelosi. You're voting four open borders. You're. Putting your voting four people storming the border and A-league -ality and that is not going to stick. Well with a lot of Trump's base. So he he, you know, he he's he's he's fired up about this Alasia. Well, I think that's probably why you had some centers. I Thom Tillis of North Carolina who had actually criticized the the declaration before actually voted with the with the president this time as did Martha mcsally of Arizona. I think some them they're worried about a primary challenge with President Trump sending out these misses, I think they're trying to protect themselves politically the that is exactly corrected re is reinforced by my reporting, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, for example, who's not an particularly cl- threatened for re election in the November election in two thousand twenty he's running again for. For for to be reelected after winning for the first time in twenty fourteen but he has to worry about a potential primary. If you if he voted against Trump on this kind of of emotive issue. So he voted with the president even though knowing everything we know about Ben Sasse, he's not a fan. He he likes to talk a lot about the separation of powers and the normal restraints of the constitution. So I I don't think that that vote made him really happy to have to do that. And I know that Cory Gardner who's running in Colorado, again, we'll be running for re election for the first time. I think he thinks this he wanted with the president. But I think, but it's a swing state and difficult state is going to have a tough reelection campaign. I think he's worried that this could really undermine his reelection. Yeah. I think he is. But let's talk a little bit about some of the senators like Pat Toomey and Lamar Alexander who voted against the emergency. There is a serious split ical ain't even philosophical issue at the center of this. The president wants the authority to do this on his own. This is essentially the same thority that Barack Obama used for to do what he wanted to do on a bomb care the dreamers and so forth. He didn't declare an emergency. But he he really did in those cases, but he did stretch the authority of the presidency in the executive. That's what we're talking about stretching the authority, the executive, and you know, I think there's a school of thought out there in politics, whether it's Republicans or Democrats or conservative liberal say we win the presidency, and our guy just does what we want him to do and screw the congress. We really don't care about that anymore about a system of government. So different than the one in the pounding fathers created it is. But if you go out on the hustings and give a speech, Dan. Yeah, we sometimes do and you talk to a group you'll get that sentimental, and let's but those understand or getting into. Because the next democratic president will pocket that and declare national emergencies on on array of things, you know, for the environment for social Justice and so forth. So, you know, you're talking about a degree of executive authority that would be unprecedented in the United States established as a precedent? And that's why people like Pat Toomey and Lamar Alexander voted voted against the president doesn't seem to be particularly concerned about it for the Democrats. This could be the gift that keeps on giving because the national emergencies act the president and focused calls for a vote allows for voting congress every six months, and I can guarantee you that the Democrats will be right on time with scheduling those votes in the house and the Senate in the next six months, so six months from now. So a lot of Republicans are scrambling behind the scenes in the Senate to try to work something out and one idea they have is to amend the national -mergency emergency. These act to make it a a much narrower framework, and and and re- limit presidential discretion Mike Lee talked about that brought that up to the president. I was told that when Lee talked to to to the president though, it basically was right over his head the president got bored in about thirty seconds. I mean, Mike Lees, talk and constitutional law. He's talking checks and balances and Trump's is just building the dam wall. That's what I want. So you you you, you know, you can see that this may not quite work as a strategy, but that's what Republicans are working on. And then you have the problem of why will the Democrats actually let them off the hook here, bypassing something like that even though they should because if they're true to their convictions that they claim here about executive authority they wanna limit it. But as you say, maybe they don't wanna limit it. If another Democrats if Democrats going to take over and twenty twenty one that's exactly right. I think they're count. Going to count on the courts. Also in this case, the ninth circuit, we'll probably be hearing the challenge or the first district court to to to the Trump Trump emergency. And they'll enjoy it. I don't think Justice chief Justice John Roberts is in a hurry. Or really wants to hear this case. The ninth circuit ruling will probably just beat let allow stands you think. It could it could it could be it could let stand I know you're right about Justice Roberts because I have been I have heard he does not and and good authority that he does not think that this is something an issue that should go up to the courts should be settled by the political branches, which makes perfect sense to me it should be settled by the political branches. But but be interesting. I mean, if if that happened, and it was settled by the ninth circuit, and the supreme court didn't take it that would frustrate Trump's ambitions to to get the money, but it gives them an opportunity to run against the ninth circuit as well. At another segment of the list. Well, yeah, except I mean, it's one thing to run against, you know, one for a wall when you are first running if you've been in office for four years you can run against the night circuit on the wall. And and then the Democrats, but you also didn't accomplish what you said you would that's not necessarily terrific as a campaign theme. I didn't do it. The first time reelect me to do it. Again. I think it is. Then he can just. I think it is then he can just blame liberal judges. And he has to an extent an escaper political escape rather than just saying O'Connor didn't get the money. So is this going to continue, Dan? How are we gonna end this? I don't see it ending anytime soon. It's kind of you know, it's sounding more and more like Brexit, British parliament just cannot find its way through to a solution. So it just keeps grinding the wheels. Forward. Unlike Theresa May, however, looks as beleaguered as you've ever seen a national leader in your life. Donald Trump is energized by this he'll go out and give you know, do rallies on it and get sent out tweets to his followers, and he'll just keep it alive. There is one other element to this though. Paul would really didn't just mentioned quickly. There is a crisis at the border. I mean, the volume of people coming across with children putting. Pressure on the border patrol people down. There is unprecedented. Probably something bad is going to happen. Eventually and somebody will take the political blame for that not obvious to me who will. But this is not just an abstract political fight. There's something real going on. Well, at least I have. In fact, we're talking about that earlier today. It's it's the asylum and set of the US asylum laws give the is a big part of the problem because it has sent the signal to most of these migrants who are coming not from Mexico, but from Central America, and they're coming in tow of their children because the way the asylum laws now work in the United States foot in the United States illegally or legally, you can then say, I'm seeking asylum. If you if it's illegal you managed to get across the border you go chase down a border agent. And you say, I'm I'm I'm claiming asylum, and then they have to process you, according to that since it's takes two years to get the asylum to somehow get your court here. In the meantime, they say well show up in August of twenty twenty and and you fade and you fade away into the into the woodwork of American a life, and you may never return to have that hearing. They are now the border patrol agents are now calling it a conveyor belt the smugglers just bring basically migrants in on a bus drop them off in the border. They step across they claim asylum and the the smugglers return and bring another busload. So Trump is right about that he ju-, but we need to fix that. When fix the Flora's decision. The floor is consent decree that essentially established one of the things that is established this process and this incentive because otherwise people are still going to come and use creating the humanitarian problem and overwhelming the the border patrol, but that's about something more complicated than seven hundred miles of steel girders, walls, it is and it requires a legislative statute to fix. All right. Thank you. Dan. Thank you. Lisa. Thank you all for listening back next week with another addition of Potomac watch.

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Time for an Explanation...

Louder With Crowder

15:44 min | 5 months ago

Time for an Explanation...

"The first day of the second month of twenty twenty one is when the show comes back. That's when i come back the first day of the second month the which which month that is the truth. Told i didn't wanna start my first video back in a while by potentially mispronouncing februar- february fades hardware for me. I guess we month first black history month. I will be the first show back ten. Am eastern fed for those who have to appreciate everything. I know it's been spell. Appreciate most pardoning are dust. I understand that too usually take a month break. You know. Mid december early january. We'll be going on with this break three weeks longer than anticipated. And i've had to go to radio. Silence mostly out of necessity for those who still are subscribing crowder beds or instagram twitter. We've posted some stuff there but For three main reasons and let me rattles. Let me rattle them offset. What happens when my my tongue isn't it's not used to going a mile. A minute reap not necessarily mile. Minute isn't really that fast. When you think about that expression a mile a minute. That's correct. But i think it's just it's not that fast i mean there's a speed limit and may place Things twins major lawsuit problem. Okay in no particular order of importance. Let me go through them. Here this is why we've we've. We've been delayed myself really in particular If you've followed the the program last year you know that my wife had a miscarriage. Um we talked about it at greater length with mark driscoll on on the last wednesday of the year announcing that for for sympathy. I say it. Because i know that many of you out there have gone through that experience are going through it right now and i know that it can be tough. It was tough. And i said because there is hope because now mrs crowder is gonna have to little crowder's baby there's baby a this isn't nine weeks baby and there's this is. This is baby bob. Were calling them little club foot. He's got my fred flintstone feet already or she opened into. He kind of looks like the little little character. Et and the atari game which destroyed many childhoods forever. And i had another close call with almost less both of these twins and that requires a little little more of my time and attention here. But that's not that that's not the primary reason that that we've had to be a little bit of. Give me some names that you guys would like. I've been i'm particularly fond of magnus. If it's if it's a boy magnus crowder. I'd also like evanger but i don't want to. I mean i don't want to put on him for shadow here being been but i like vander. I like magnus. And if it's a girl i've just thought of heather just because My friends katie. Mom can't pronounce ages or t ages. Enter give me a good name. That would be a fun prank for my mom. Would just you know what i will say my child whatever name you can come up with with. The most is and fez just a bus. My mom's chumps thing major lawsuit so this has been going on behind the scenes and before we get to my my my heart problem which is the primary reason and the lawsuit. Look we come back like as you i. I want to make something clear. If you're looking for a show that just talks about. How much biden sucks. This is not the show for you. Former vice president joe biden does suck and i do think he shows some signs of cognitive decline. I'm not. I'm a doctor on on to talk about it. And yes listen president joe biden and of course the the mainstream media not so mainstream which we'll get to in a second Hollywood their Their primary adversary but a lot of republicans did nothing. Okay for four years did nothing. And i'm not just talking about the election which we've covered at length here on the program. As a matter of fact some of the some information amicus briefs came from yours. Truly and i shouldn't be doing that. Republicans had for years and they did nothing about the biggest issue of our time. Big tech The sort of trip hop elite for lack of a better word but the corporate censorship. The foreign interference that can take place. rosen guidelines. That are really important. As we go into the next decade all the tweets all the hearings. All these subpoenas. Nothing was done as far as big tech is concerned. They are undefeated against republicans and we are filing a major lawsuit. February first brings up republicans. Because you don't what listen They're not our friends. i i know. There's the eleventh commandment that ronald reagan spoke about. Andrew breitbart reiterated to me that. You shouldn't speak ill of your fellow conservative but not all of where the team jersey and of course former vice president joe biden is gonna stop the main problem in the country. He's he's a symptom of of the problems. Going on right now but i would point no longer the same team jersey and we've had conversations with some of these people who legislative power behind the scenes and has seen them because they're afraid of losing. Maybe there little slice of platform. Well listen they tech things up their undefeated because they think that they're untouchable all the tweets. Nothing nothing has happened but by the end of this year. They're going to have a half ancient cracking in their alcohol. Can of that. You can be certain details. Can't talk about now again Black history month. I and republicans people remember. I was around when brock obama was inaugurated commentator at fox. News on the tea party was started the ramp from santelli and i remember republicans always painted as the party of now. Their payment is the party. That's related no sometimes and this of course doesn't doesn't apply to all republicans but that criticism was right seems a lot on republicans would rather be the party of now then Actually used their power for good when they have it. And this is something that's important. You'll only be judged by what you did when you were powerless. You'll be judged by what you did with strength with power once you attained it and it's been disappointing three but we have. We've had to get ready for this lawsuit there. Look okay. i'll say this. I'll say this once and i will. You'll never hear me say it again. This has been the number one conservative show across media platforms With a bullet for a while. It's not even close. And we don't come out and san because here's some of these shows number one show or top growing fastest growing show because we want the show to be to be judged on the merits of its content. Okay sorry. I had to do a quick up because the plane was going by overhead. And there's been here that's someone must be crashing. That's unpleasant. I say this because i think what i was talking about. Content is more important. We've had a really big target on our back and there have been some times where we were had. We zagged over the course of the last month and a half we would have lost everything. I mean you wouldn't even be able to see this broadcast suto broadcast whatever you call this right now and i can't what we've been very blessed i can't explain it. It's been a rhyme and a reason and it's time to get serious. I'm not just talking about a suit of posters removed but hopefully something. That sets a serious precedent. Take give you an example so election night election night and election warning we had fifteen million people to him and that was that was after facebook had completely banned removed our stream without reason which finally we still have not been given so who knows if we just people to reach the people who have chosen to subscribe and like our pages call. Maybe twenty million. And i don't have to practice what we don't bring up. I see it. Because i'm incredibly grateful and it's relevant here because there were some powers that be that were very upset that we had more people tuning in than any of their main anchors at abc cbs cnn. Fox news And landscape is about to change and we've had to ready aim fire. A lot of people are going off firing too much. It's been ready aiming season and Black history month the first. We'll be able to get some details while my half asian lawyer will be. I think landau to which reminds me. We'll be also bringing in some some new talent here or full time basis at at a muslim bladder with crowder really mike. My father is a big reason that dumb. We broke a little little earlier than the nevada strain. Which we were planning on doing was yeah. I've come into the knowledge of a pretty serious heart issue heart just issue and i know no no. It's not. It's not from the occasional cigar. Let me be really clear. It's genetic it's mechanical and it likely will require what the opposite of minimally invasive surgery on a maximum pleasant miss surgery so let me start back to your little bit. This was discovered accidentally. And i'm sure it was exacerbated. By as a matter of fact. I took a break about three years ago for some similar health issues and we now know that they might have been misdiagnosed. I've just sort of had to compensate. Lit with i had what i thought. Were repeated panic attacks. That's just because people didn't really know what it was actually a footage when we come back here February i show you off air. I was sort of describing these. Thanks and i'm sure wasn't helped by the fact that i was going on about three for our sleep most nights from election until we we ended up going on break. That's not good for you. i don't take pride in that that's bad you should sleep. It's not a good thing. It doesn't make you tough. It's a problem. And i i I have had panic attacks in my life. Let me click. But i can count them on one hand the amount of times about head panic attacks and i can trace them as to why you know i had this feeling but it got to a point where these things were just happening repeatedly and i was waking up with them And i think we have this food at the studio where we'll be saying. Gosh my heart just feels like it's boomer like it's flattering if you're going to beat out just getting faked and when i spoke with doctors but this was a panic attack not really necessarily. I'm tired but i'm not necessarily stress. Not like in the past month had panic attacks and we've even had to compensate on the show for months. Now i take five or ten minutes and do the sort of deep breathing before the show and then after the show five or ten minutes because it kept getting winded and feeling lightheaded. And when i would go and drink from my mother that was a signal for someone else to say something because i'd be going like a really like a fat guy a her guy comments section and we just have this plane. Is the plane crashing. Someone is about to die. And that's always attracting. I don't care who you are. I just popped up on an ekg cg now the reason that this has been extended through the break is not. Because i couldn't necessarily do the show with these sort of these heart flutters sort of pseudo panic attacks which i don't want to. I don't wanna get into exactly what it is. Because i don't want to miss speak but i have had to go through five doctors because it's incredibly rare and i didn't want to come back and star step come comeback and have to stop or give you. An explanation was an incorrect explanation. Because i didn't want to drag it. You don't need to be dragged through that it's like look. I need to hit the seat in the show. It's severe enough. I'll play this that. If i were in another job and didn't want to be able to collect disability indefinitely. That's not what i wanted. That's not what we plan on doing. Because of covid things kept changing. If i were to have a cardiac collapse or or issue right valid part of media attention. I could get this this surgery to get the care but other because that is not the case it's not essential. Maybe we'll be now. I'm really interested interest in two. And i still don't necessarily have answers. We're about ninety percent there I'm very very fortunate in that finally was referred to a specialist the formal specialist in the country at mayo clinic and be going there this week for three days but a certain had to pull the trigger and said look. Listen doesn't matter what's what's going on here. This can has been kicked down the trail. I'm going to start the show black history month. I regardless of what happens at mayo. Because when i have to get into the operation it could be april. It could be fall knows. And that's what we've put in place people who will be joining club. I'm not. I'm not going to say We'll be able to host when that does happen. I have no idea where we are with that on the horizon but it was a scary spell. I'm glad that we have the healthcare system that we do here in the united states where i was able to get to an expert Whose opinion at least at this point seems to be correct. And i and i am grateful that i'll be able to come back and listen to this. It's one of those things. Where i hate all the other crap that comes with this. Okay all the legal stuff. That's not fun. All the business stuff that i have to do. That's not fun. None of that is having to juggle life in public. Some of you have privacy. I don't necessarily know if you have twins or triplets. I have no idea. I don't know why they would be russian. If you're not rushing but you could dick no idea what your health situations like. But i'm not. I'm not necessarily afford that luxury and and rightfully so. I understand it because we've all sort of let you into our life and and i think that's actually a wonderful thing. It's a wonderful thing. It's one of the best aspects of of new media for the viewer. That's why legacy wants to kill it. It's also one of the hardest to juggle for the content creator especially Someone who wants to focus on the content in not on social media drama so off black history month. I and we're still waiting on info. Look i can promise you this. That's here that desk is where i want to be. It is where i'm going to be and behind the scenes. Fill your hands you sons. A bitches figuratively because we're coming for all of it. Black history month. I i appreciate you guys waiting and we'll have more content Than ever and hopefully some new voices that i'm looking forward to to showcasing. And of course the half asian pregnant.

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Dan Pfeiffer on Joe Biden, beating Trump, and saving democracy

The Ezra Klein Show

1:36:49 hr | 1 year ago

Dan Pfeiffer on Joe Biden, beating Trump, and saving democracy

"This episode is brought to you by us. Cellular there's never been a better time to switch to US cellular because now when you do you'll get fifty percent off. Select New smartphones like the Samsung Galaxy S. ten or the Google Pixel for a great choice on a great phone. Now that's fair. Us Cellular Choose Fair terms apply. I just find the opposite. The filibuster to be such a infuriating position to have because you're acknowledging that we're GonNa do nothing about climate change until the planet belts if we have to wait for eight to ten Republicans to decide to do something about climate change. The Senate is going to be under water. Hello and welcome back on show on the VOX media podcast network. My guest today is Dan Pfeiffer but best known now for being co host a positive America views of course communications director in the Obama White House. And he's the author of the New Book un-trumpian America and this is a great conversation. Have Right now. Both about political strategy and the Democratic Party in this moment but also the broader context in which the Democratic Party is taking place and trying to figure out its way forward which I think is often understood to be the context of Donald Trump but in a very fundamental way that I think is not rigorously. Looked out or argued out. Well it's actually the context of Brock Obama and what he succeeded at and what he filled to dig into that pretty deeply here as always my email is at box dot com again as recline show at. Vox Dot com here is Dan pfeiffer Dan pfeiffer or combat guest. It's good to be here own. Start with something you say in the book that a lot of people are not going to here which is that. Donald trump is a heavy favourite to win reelection. Why do you think he's likely to win reelection? Well a couple of reasons. One incumbents usually win incumbents and strong economies usually win and it's hard to know as we sit here today in the middle of the krona virus whether the economy will look strong in November as it did when I wrote that but we should bet he will have a relatively strong economy and one thing. I think that people don't really recognize. I've seen this a lot in polling and focus groups this time which is for a lot of voters to terms that the default for our president and so there is a high burden of proof on the challenger to convince the public two shifts horses in mid race and so given all those things in the top of that just a general electoral college advantage. I would have a very different answer if we were heading national popular vote election but given a Republican Electoral College. Finish we have to see is the favourite in to think otherwise would be have a campaign strategy not based in reality one of the things that on the one hand makes you mixed trump. Look weak is it despite how strong economy has been and again. Let's imagine we're having this conversation. Precursor virus for a minute because things are going to change and and that may change but given where we've been. Donald Trump has never done as well in polling as you would have thought he would give him the state of the economy. If Braga Obama had had this economy from basically the beginning of his term you would have been at fifty-six percent or something on the other hand something you hear when you talk to people who are doing focus groups and that also hearing when I was talking to somebody who runs a big organization that has a lot of canvassing and endure knocking. Is it a lot of voters have ended up in this place with trump? Which is I don't like them. I don't like how he acts but if you look around things are pretty okay for me. The economy's doing pretty well. We're not in a major war with anybody and so the thing that Democrats are GonNa have to manage is there's a lot of personal dislike of Donald Trump but on the other hand again putting krona virus aside because we don't know where that will go there is a I don't know maybe I don't WanNa rock the apple cart right now right. I mean that is ultimately the challenge and national polling is of limited utility in understanding President Washington's anyway but I think it's particularly true given trump's approval because of how polarizing trump is obviously a topic very close to your heart though approval ratings are dragged down by very very low approval rating enlarge populist blue states and so when you look at what trump's approval rating in Wisconsin is. It's very close to where Obama's was at this point two thousand twelve which is right around forty eight forty nine and that is a number at which he can win. It's not a guaranteed win. But he's you know he's at the three yard line and so what Democrats have to really think about is how do you get? People created permission structure for people who feel don't like trump but feel nervous about change to go your way right and that is that is ultimately what are going to have to do. And whether it's Biden Averni that's going to be a very different approach but if we just simply spend the whole election tells me how terrible trump is. We will just be telling them things they already know. And you have to tie. Trump's behavior of the things people don't like about trump to specific opportunity cost in their lives or in the country when permission structure popularized by David. Axelrod INTO. What it meant was broke. Obama is a young African American candidate with a funny name without that much experience in national politics. Who's running for President? I'm for years after being in the Chicago. I'm sorry in the Illinois State Senate and the way that you guys thought about building permission structure was bringing in functionally graybeards to come in and say this guy is fine right. Colin Powell endorsement. That kind of thing. What is a permission structure? Look like here Be AT BIDEN OR BERNIE. Who were what are the kinds of events? People figures endorsements whatever. It might be that you think would give people that licencee things might be okay right now but I'm GonNa jump really as we think that it wasn't just like graybeards. In two thousand eight it was a whole host of things right which is the The the whole theory of our to campaign where it's Democrats in the primary and then voters in the general wanted to make Barack Obama president but they were hesitant for all the reasons. You cited lack of experience questions of ability. He didn't look like any friends than we previously had right. So a whole host of things like the reason winning Iowa was the first part of our strategy. Was We believe that gave host of voters permission to do what they wanted to do? And so here. It's the inverse right. We think a lot of voters don't WanNa re-elect trump so we have given permission to do that. And I think what that means is. I don't think it's like endorsements per se although if you had some sort of bipartisan endorsements that'd be helpful since. Mitt Romney just recently said he subpoena Hunter Biden. I don't I don't suspect he's GonNa be on that list but it is. Voters took a what I took an educated risk on trump. They knew who he was. They knew he was crass. They knew he was dishonest. They knew he might be personally corrupt but he would shake up the system. And so you have to show that he didn't actually take up the system and you have to show you have to convince them and take a risk on another person right and that that could be for big structural revolutionary change or that could be for a return to the quote unquote normalcy of an Obama Biden era of politics and that's the Democratic primary voters will choose which of those they think is best. I'm not going to hold this whole conversation in the trump context but I do want to talk about one other piece of this that I think it's attention in your book in the election right now. Which is trump's single. Best asset is the economy Just full stop. And so when I think of what a permission structure for a lot of voters who are somewhat attracted by trump's economic successes which we can talk about how their continuation of obamacare chance but they are what they are is you would want figures they associate with the economy to come out for the Democrat. But one thing that's happened. Put It on. The left of the Party is a confrontational attitude to the figures. Who are associated with that right. So you know Elizabeth Warren go into war with billionaires and Bernie Sanders luxuriating in Lloyd blankfein condemnation and so on and look I. I'm not personally a fan of these Wall Street and Hedge Fund people so emotionally. I I enjoy it. I enjoy the twitter fights but when I do talk to voters many of whom care a lot about where the stock market is or what's going on in their 401K's or You know just they watch CNBC or they worry that you would take the economy and and it hurt them. It creates a tension between two things that I think are big in the Democratic Party. Right which on the one hand the need to deal with voters who don't love trumpeter nervous about change and on the other hand what you say is the fundamental divide in the Democratic Party which is between restoration and transformation is just about going back to where we were before Donald trump or is this something much bigger than Donald Trump. That need structural change. And I think that where the Democratic Party has most of the arguments around that but there is very little arguing done on behalf of voters may be. Don't want that much change. Because I very rarely reflects the most engaged primary activists voters Etcetera Christie. Who Talk a bit about that? I mean you're there is no doubt that there is this tension that his detention race has been throughout this primary. And when you get further away from the activists class which is basically what the difference between Iowa New Hampshire Nevada caucus and then South Carolina's Super Tuesday the further. You get away from the hyper engaged activists class you get more of an established. I sort of restoration as opposed to re revolution. Now I think there is some context to that which is Biden certainly represents a return to at BARE MINIMUM OBAMA ERA NORMALCY. Right like we knew things were okay back. From the perspective of democratic voter things are even. If they weren't we didn't get everything we wanted. The country felt safe insecure and that we decent people in the White House in this would be returned to that and it seems like a safer. Bet It's hard. I think you know this is perhaps a broader conversation but if the Democratic Party party is in a weird place because we've been dominated by three-figures for more than a decade. Now really even if you go back that we've never been dominated for several decades by the Clintons Obama and now trump right trump is the figure the blocks out the sun and so everything that anything that is a discussion about where the parties should go is filtered around how that helps us beat trump and that sort of limits the nature of that discussion in a way because there is this question around. Everything is like Elizabeth. Warren policies are the most popular in the party by far but the benefit of those policies is not discussed in terms of how they help the economy. Or how they would help build a larger democratic coalition over the long term. It's the context of how will they be interpreted by a hypothetical group of white men in Wisconsin? And I think that stands over it now. That is not necessarily how you the only way in which you went an election but yeah. I think you're right that that that tension there in my like in my book in the reason I wrote the book because I believe very strongly that Democrats have been distracted by trump from the forces that gave us trump and that when trump is gone whether that is the end of this year or for years later if we don't deal with the forces that led to trump were just going to end up with a smarter trump and that's what scares me and yet you can see the tension of that just in the books titled Un-trumpian America's Yeah That's right and that is the incentive system right there right one reason. Everybody focused on trump's. That's where the attention as a curiosity goes. I mean if I had made my book like how Donald Trump polarized America. Yeah the book is but Um and so I I do think one of the difficulties here is that all the Democrats are operating in this incentive structure whereas you say where a lot of democratic voters are is the first question is what do you do about Donald Trump and then everything beneath that is a subordinate question. And I certainly understand. That I wrote actually wrote the book that way in the sense that I structure the book I section was it sort of disabuse. Democrats that Republicans were going to have an epiphany. Donald trump was an aberration And then the second part was how you be trump because I think that this looming question over everything and I think it's important to think about that question in the context of what comes next and not just like what's the shortcut to doing it now and that's why I think it's important as I think it's important in unfortunate that the two candidates who remain in this In this primary are the ones who I think are have least grappled with the political forces that led to trump. I'M GONNA put a pin in the provocative state. We're going come back to it. I want to try a theory out just so distant in time for listeners. We're talking couples after Super Tuesday. There's GonNa come out after another batch of primary so I'm not gonNA look to too much in this moment. But I think that Joe Biden wins win on Super Tuesday require some rethinking on the part of the pundit class. Oh for sure and in a way that I think isn't really happening because nobody's pressing You know every time Bernie Sanders one. There's like this. Everybody is wrong about socialism in America. Then Joe Biden. Does something that I would have told you was impossible. Which is if he wins. A high turnout. Primary winning a low turnout. Primary would not surprise me. Winning a mid turn out primarily not a surprise me for there to be a giant turnout and Joe Biden wins the new entrance into the Democratic primary that was supposed to at Bernie Sanders stood. Eric Loves magazine. Had this very cheaply. How what Bernie Sanders wanted to happen happened. It happened for Joe Biden and one of the things that makes me think about is a problem. Among pundits is it we are not like most people were unbelievably politically engaged. Unbelievably politically involved with very deep internal couldn't consistent ideologies. Were very issue oriented. I mean not everyone there plenty of pundits but but I think in general. This is the way that that folks who do this professionally differ systematically and so when you hear people's theories of what will turn out voters it almost always reflects that it's almost always if you had a candidate who is more straightforward in their ideology less compromised. More exciting to me. They would turn people out. But what Joe Biden then does is be muddled in his ideology muddled oftentimes just straightforward speech Sort of runs. Basically as generic Democrat running away that annoys a lot of pundits including me right saying that you know Republicans and Epiphany Piff Unie. And he's going to be able to get things done and then he gets this big turnout and I think we need to like at least ask the question of whether or not there is an attraction among people get really into politics. Transformational change if you didn't think things are really wrong. You probably didn't spend all your time doing politics professionally. But for a lot of voters not everybody a lot of people in very dire straits but a lot of voters and this goes way way back in America. History get scared by transformational change even if they could use a lot of help They're worried about losing what they have and I. I wonder how much what is happening with. Joe Biden represents something that needs to be taken a little bit more seriously which is a way in which the electorate is often systematically misunderstood by partisans who control of primaries control. A lot of things going on that are different in important ways. In terms of what motivates them in politics from motivates people were a lot less attached to the political system. Yeah I think there's a lot to that and you guys at. Vox had this very interesting article about the Elizabeth Warren bubble which is if you like literally everyone almost everyone I know in my life both people in politics and people who live here in California outside of Politics Were Elizabeth Warren vendors. Like if I just never seen a poll and I decided anecdotally I would think Elizabeth Warren would have gone. Eighty percent of the vote right and that is true a passive listeners. You go to any show and there. We did a show in L. A. Right after Super Tuesday and even those warm is getting out of the race. Twenty four hours later and everyone's sort of understood that was like how can everyone showed up in their warren shirts. And if you live in a political bubble that is going to impact you are just how you view how you interpret events so I think a couple things on this one. I remember listening to Greg Schultz. Who WHO's Biden's campaign manager David Plus podcast before The Iowa Caucus in by employees had all of campaign manager of the leading of the five candidates or so on to sort of give their pre. I will take and it was a real interesting window into the campaign and Greg Schultz said two things that I took note of in their one. Why is that? They would be viable and ninety five percent of precincts that turned out to be quite wrong and offered some very alarming Warming WINDOW INTO THEIR VIEW. Their data in analytics. Second thing he said is how wrong was quite wrong. Like I don't know what the exact numbers were by. He missed viability and a large portion of districts presents and the other thing he said was don't be so sure that a high turnout caucus benefited Bernie Sanders. Not someone else now. He he implied that someone else would be biden but his basic point was Bernie had already gotten the people he was going to get to turn out for him in two thousand sixteen and and people who did not turn out two thousand sixteen. We're not necessarily going to be Bernie caucus-goers those very interesting and then we didn't get detested because it ended up being a low turnout caucus and we tied or however you want to describe it Bernie at the most votes. Pete got the most delegates and it. I think all of these discussions missed was that the group of people who have been sort of powering a lot of democratic politics since two thousand sixteen are people who got involved in the process after thousand sixteen. Right these are the people who you know you saw. That Biden won voters on Super Tuesday. Who did not vote in the two thousand sixteen primary and so these are people who have been motivated by trump's election who may be thought I could sit on the sideline politics head to engage in a daily basis. And now I'm not just. I'm not voting in primaries in buying one those people and I think it shows that a lot of the people you have to bring into the process are not ideological in the same way and I think we we confuse. I've been using talking to people something that is sort of influenced by your book. Which is that. Everyone in? Politics thinks the presidential elections are about ideology and policy and there about identity and personality. And I think pundits up to do a better job of understanding that fact that voters are just simply not. This is something. We've been arguing about an Obama Lane with people for a decade now. Which is that. Voters are not ideological in the same way that reporters and pundits like they are like the it was never been the Bernie the moderate late in the progressive line. It has become the Bernie Lane and the Non Bernie Lane which is now the Bernie and the Biden Lane. But Warren's voters were not Bernie voters necessarily some of them are but some of Biden's voters are also voters and would you look at this entirely through the frame of ideology then. I think you're gonNA miss how voters look at it. I think trump's election is the example of that. I think a lot more of those lanes and people gave credit for with simply. It's a pro system in an anti system lane. It's not literally about Medicare for all. It's about the package of intuitions and gestures at lead to one vision of politics versus another right. I get frustrated by Bernie Sanders. People who say that Bernie's the only candidate or medicare for all candidates are the only candidates who want people to be able to go to the doctor and afford it. It's murder because zones for Mexico and by the way as somebody who got in a lot of heat for saying the Joe Lieberman was going to cause a lot of people by trying to tank The carrot at the end. I do want to make the distinction that I think it's reasonable to talk about healthcare in terms of lives lost. But there's a very big difference between a tactical disagreement. On how will you actually pass a healthcare expansion and opposition healthcare expansions and the difference between Bernie Sanders people and to the Joe Biden? People on this is that the Joe Biden people. Think you will fail with Medicare for all and you will lose like they did in Nineteen ninety-four and get nothing and that his approach is going to get you get something done and the Bernie Sanders. People think that you'll succeed with for all it will inspire people turn them out and that people's understanding of the constraints on the system wrong but that's a debate being had poorly. And it's a bait fundamentally about the system itself and how it works. Can you blow it up by attacking frontally or do you have to take? Its constraints is relatively settled and worked within them and I think that generates a lot more of the disagreement in politics than than than we like to admit. That's why I'm so fresher Balata policy debates. That are actually political. Strategy debates in disguise the Medicare debate is a political strategy debate disguises debate about healthcare policy. I mean it's really about what you think of. In terms of the American people accepting tax increases. How SCARED LITTLE BEEF? You take away their health insurance but that is about political constraints. It isn't about what is the ideal way to structure policy but they disguise themselves that way In a way that I think confuses. What's really going on like all these? Things are ultimately theories of change right. How do you actually get things done? And not to be like explicitly provocative both Bernie Sanders and drew Biden have deeply flawed theories of change like grassroots mobilization. Absence the elimination of Filibuster. Like you're not going to motivate Republican senators to do the right thing simply third grassroots mobilization short-term and you're not going to pass Medicare for all medicare for some literally Medicare for one additional person in America if you're depending upon eight to ten Republican senators to do to agree with you and so like that like that has been the problem with this debate from the very beginning and I remember interviewing people too early on before when I thought I drawn the short Straw to get the candidate who was going nowhere in the We had a rotating we rotate me. Farrow and Tommy would go in take turns whichever can't was coming through the office. We would do it so fabric Gillibrand. Who was like? Let's see like a real serious kind of their than Tommy. Got Warrant and then I got people to jazz and I was like damn it but I asked him about Medicare for all on public option. He had been and I said to him. You know why public option and he said. I think that's the best way to start and I said well what would you say to the Bernie Sanders people who say that? If you start in the middle you're going to end up to the right and if you start for the left you'll end up in the middle. And he he said well that's just a question of legislative strategy and if that was the best way to get it done I'd start with Medicare for all which sort of laid bare the whole conversation. Which is the substance in and of itself. Not The most important how you get it done. And he was very ambivalent on both. I don't think that's a bad thing either. Because if you were to get a public option that would be gigantic massive expansion of health care. I don't think being serious about processes about I actually think one of the people to judge in here and we'd a great interview very early in his campaign and what was so striking to me about him men was he was really emphasizing procedural change and I said to him. Would you actually make the decision? That candidates presents tend to not make which is to expand your political capital on changing the filibuster. I as opposed to you know just doing what you could to get an immediate benefit to people because if you do that you never get the procedural changes in and he was very insistent that he would and to be honest. I was pretty disappointed by whereas campaigned went from that. I felt At the beginning he was running as somebody who had seen the way. The PROCESS BROKE DOWN UNDER OBAMA. Had learned those lessons and like was frontloading. You have to change them to make America governable for next fifty years and then whether it was polling consultants or whatever happened it just became like a like a candidacy a little bit from the nineteen nineties where you were just trying to signal that you were moderate but there is something importantly radical in his campaign right there at the beginning which was a synthesis that as you say. I think that Bernie invite in both missing their own ways. Bernie's critique of Obama's idiological that I I think he and a lot of his supporters. Believe if you just had a more ideologically pure president that the mixture of being a of not compromising yourself down and of having an agenda that you believe is more motivating because it isn't compromise down would get you around the traps. That snared Obama and I think Joe Biden has no real theory of how to fix what stopped Obama's like the back half of his presidency from being more successful and there's just a way in which both of them to me are a little trapped in like a pre Obama debate. Yeah I think that's exactly right and the other thing about the Buddha jets. I was completely struck by as someone who has for a very long time going back to two thousand thirteen. Been a big advocate for getting rid of the filibuster and very intrigued by changing the position. Supreme Court and things like that trying to get rid of these structural impediments to progressive political power in. This country was beauty that said that that was a I opening thing and made me pay attention to someone who I had known. A little bit interviewed him back when he was running for. Dnc chair was impressed by but didn't take his presidential commits suicide at the beginning. But I was like that's a legitimate contribution to the debate. And he did it in the context of generational change for some. My generation's can have to deal with the consequences of inaction things like climate change right now. Those very powerful I do think his presidential campaign in some ways like you say the ninety s I say two thousand and five. I think that's probably. That's more than a dozen vibes correct. It's sort of the The Pre pre-obama of the Democratic Party and politics where the path to the middle was basically mean something for my old experience for like the the two people who we think are best win the two thousand eight democratic election. Two thousand presidential election are Mark Warner and Evan Bye. 'cause they're moderate white guys from you know the south in the Midwest right and that's just a that's a pre theory of politics but I like. I wish we had more conversation in presidential campaigns. It was more explicit about theory of change like we interviewed all the candidates. We try to make the first question one of the first questions. He's candidate. What bill would you put forward? I because prioritization is incredibly porn. 'cause just presuming you have a congress that will pass what you want or have a have a hearing in your first bill is going to have a better chance in your second. Bill Etcetera Etcetera Etcetera. And I think bring centre said Medicare for all Gillibrand might have said immigration reform. But let's Warren said her anti-corruption bill and like a theory of change whether that the history of these things if you pass eight anti-corruption bill in January. Twenty twenty one. It's going to kick in twenty one. Twenty two twenty three but the theory was if you clean up the system you can do. All the other things and people would sort of started there with democratic reform and I will say and I will say in his defense. I interviewed him the Thursday before the New Hampshire primary when he was talking to little every person in media and I asked them. Would you commit to sell during? Philip's reform changing the Supreme Court. And he unequivocally said yes and he brought it up in the South. I mean He. He tried to draft in with Elizabeth. Warren create a filibuster argument at the South Carolina. Debate and Bernie and bite into like dismasted don so it's not that he abandons it he stopped emphasizing it. But I don't WanNA postmortem budget here. I WanNa talk about something that just came up around Obama. Which is I think over this conversation. Politics in general is the tensions of the Obama record and what I think of as sort of the Paradox Brock Obama. Which is he ran for president promising to change system and get all these things done and he got judged by the standards of other presidents a tremendous amount done but at the cost of entrenching and working within a lot of. What was the problem in the system? And and that to me is the part of his legacy. The Democrats have had a lot of trouble. Managing that a lot of his appeal in aid was it. He was going to make politics something. You would like better and instead it just kept getting worse in sort of the same ways and I'm curious how you think about that. Do you think about what lessons you need to be. Learned from that who I think I think about this all the time and I think about how we viewed politics in. Oh eight and I think we. We believed incorrectly that Bush in Clinton were uniquely polarizing figures that had to do with Bush. Sison go the Iraq war in Clinton's personal conduct and those were both things Clinton actually didn't think he was accused of doing that. May Politics Worse than it had to be ended. A different person could solve that problem so with broader appeal and the reason that two thousand eight campaign to believe that was possible. Obama was being endorsed by a lot of Republicans and a lot of Republican voters. So like one of our advantages in the Iowa caucuses is that it's an open caucus and Republicans could wad of came in registers of could caucus for Obama. You it like even giving examples. That seems that seems absurd now. But it's like Mark McKinnon was Bush's best ad maker sat out the two thousand eight election because he didn't want to have to make negative ads against Obama like there. Was this feeling that it could be different. And what I think we miss understood was the following things one what you write about. Which is the inexorable path of increased polarization in America? That had something. They had nothing to do nothing specifically to do with Bush in Clinton and more to do with where the country was going. I think we did not necessarily anticipate how social media would catalyze that process in a way. Certainly when we started that campaign we were not anticipating the starting to govern added during an absolute financial crisis that layered on top of rapid demographic technological and cultural change in America So all those things together in that creates quite a a challenging stu so taking all those lessons right and so what? What did we learn from that? Which is that even if you can convince the country the majority of the country to support your agenda which Obama had great success in doing right like you look at where immigration reform wise in two thousand and eight and where it was when he left you. Think about just to give you a sense of how the mess like how. The politics of taxes have changed. Every Democrat before Obama lost the tax question on the exit polls. Who would you trust more on taxes and Obama won that by taking that on and that has been actually Democrats best arguments? Republicans WANNA give tax cuts to the wealthy and have not been afraid of the being accused of being tax razors. Which was sort of Ronald Reagan's superpower that he that he hit every Democrat with and so we we recognize that that moving the country did not move Republicans and that we needed to better understand. The incentive structures that drove Republican politic Republican elected officials political decisions. And there's a whole host of things that contribute to that one is is polarization geographic ideological geographic one is gerrymandering directly in the house where Republicans were much more afraid of a right wing right wing. Primary challenge a challenge from the middle in general and the overturning citizens united which made it even harder for a Republican is even if you had the courage to take a politically risky decision with the voters compromise. If you knew the coke brothers or whoever could put a million dollars in your primary opponents campaign account or put a run a million dollars of ads that made it harder but you still like you look at Biden success and if you look at the success that Putin has they're still in appealing message of unity. But how do you do that? Message of unity. That it that is fit somewhere between naievety nihilism right. Now you'd have to think about it is can you say that we're going to unite the country to take on the entrenched power in the retrench. Republican power in Washington that is fighting against the majority of American people. Care about can unite. The party without being without saying that your path for unity is to work with Mitch. Mcconnell and I think that is going to be the and it's going to be particularly life for either by Bernie Bernie. Unity has never been a message that he has seen most comfortable deliverance. Everyone events the tip of the spear and Biden is never but I don't think he's ever been willing to be realistic or accurate about who the Republicans are. Most of us are predicting the future. In fact we're terrible at it which can be a little scary but there are ways to prepare for the unexpected. If you find yourself worrying about what the future might bring should consider getting the right life insurance and that is where policy genius can help. 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And if you just read his memoirs if you if you listen to him closely like what the Senate is meant to him. It's his relationship with. It is not like that of other politicians but the reason I bring this up is to say I think I am basically as far out as you can get in terms of my belief that the frontal thing to do in American politics is reformed the system and in particular from Senate and I've been arguing this for years and years and years and years but something. I take seriously that I think you can frame this as a Joe Biden thing if you wanted but let's call so Barack Obama thing. Is that my view on this substantively and the politics of it matchy point in different directions so I remember hearing. Brock Obama was president and I would be in his reporter with him. I pet some of these arguments with him and I remember hearing him say. I don't remember who is one of these when there is one of these debates about how much you're going to get out of trying to compromise with. Republicans he said. I think that it is easier for the American people to see that. The Republicans are forming a fist. If they see the extending my hand and I've that's always stuck with me some line like that. And what do you think about the argument that while it might be Dan Pfeiffer and Ezra Klein maybe right they got to get rid of the Filibuster? And that there's not going to be compromise. That what voters want to hear is you're going to try and someone's having Joe Biden's absolute best line right now because it. It's his line absorbs more of the reality of the situation is nobody knows better than me. Nobody is better reason than me to be angry at the Republicans right now and I'm still going to try and work with them and maybe I don't. I don't believe it is a case. Joe Biden secretly is going to run a sort of like an up the up the left partisan presidency and say this is the optimal strategy to believe in compromise publicly and talk about compromise normalcy publicly and recognize reality polarization privately in governed from that understanding. Yeah I I think that is the Obama presidency of the second term. If we can find a place to work together we will work together. But if we won't that I'M GONNA do everything I can with my executive power to accomplish it or I'm going to push forward in ultimate lake. We're GONNA have this debate in this primary again. And again and again about whether Obama tried to hard to compromise with Republicans and it's been mythologised and a lot of ways that all Obama ever wanted to do was cars with Republicans and so. There's sort of two eras of this right and what? Obama said you about open hand in Fist. I think is that is true to what he believes. I also think he's right about the politics and you saw it play out whenever we would have a massive confrontation with Republicans because Obama would always come out ahead because people thought he tried to work with them and then they walked away and there is real political benefit in that and and he'll almost Houston is If I'm on the book of things whatever you're trying to use some that may be impossible. it's better to get caught trying and I think that is true of bipartisanship to now. You have to know when to step away from the table but we're gonNA have about Obama and social security cuts in chain. Cpi and what happened in the summer of two thousand eleven? And I think in hindsight we were overly optimistic about John. Boehner's ability to deliver a deal in hindsight we would not have put reforms the chain CPI which is a social security card into the deal but ultimately what I think people forget about that? Was We were in a world where the economy was massively struggle? The American people were really hurting. The Republicans were adamantly opposed to any sort of fiscal stimulus. That would help people's lives and he was trying to trade longterm fiscal cuts for short term stimulus. Because what was going to be on the table there was a potentially a expansion of the payroll tax. Cut a whole bunch of ideas that are people are working on and I think you have to try for those things right ever next. Democratic president living a world of a Republican Senate and House and if they WANNA get anything done. They're going to have to try to find the best deal they can. That does not violate the principles right knowing your have swallow. Thanks you know what not and that is very hard in the consequences for even trying in this sort of political mediate very challenging. I want to talk about some other so one. I think more interesting left wing. Critique of Obama is that he had this big grassroots movement in two thousand eight and when he got into office the way they structured organizationally in the way they did or didn't deploy it affected amounted to shuddering it and I remember talking to people in the White House during this and hearing about the tensions which I think are underplayed in debate. Between what will happen if you try to direct all of your supporters to go after Lieberman Aben Nelson will that bring them to you or will that repel them against you? But I'd like you to talk about that debate because I think this question of did Obama fail as organizer in chief. And if somebody went and made the opposites headed decisions could succeed is a very animating one right now among Democrats but it's not a debate that has had very well so the history of this is at the end of the two thousand eight election. We talked to our volunteers. We did this big survey and the question was. What do they want to do? Now that Obama's president. And what is I think? Important like the context of this is a lot of Obama's volunteers were people who've gotten politics for the first time they're actually skeptical of traditional democratic entities like the DNC not unlike many centers supporters. And so we had this debate like do we put them at the DNC. Do we run a field organization. Our supporters are volunteers. Did Not want to do that. And then could that because they were Obama. Supporters not necessarily traditional Democrats and so we created a organizing for action. I think it was called at the time. It's been several versions about that. I think is working for action and organizing for America and it was housed at the DNC. Because you needed a place to put it. And you had to have funding mechanisms for it but it existed in kept our we had activities for our volunteers and the local organization stayed state engaged and was very active in the effort to pass obamacare. But there is this tension between was overwhelmed by the tea party. Yeah I mean overwhelmed in political narrative not necessarily in organizing like they were out there. They were doing events so couple of things about this one is I went. I went to one of those Senate Caucus luncheons a White House official to brief them on the efforts to pass Obamacare's messaging strategy. This is at some point. I think. Post Scott Brown and I do my will spill. I got a powerpoint and it's me and axelrod and the first question is Bill Nelson Senator from Florida and he does not care about the message. He does not care about the polling. We've just rolled out. He when he wants to do is tell me that a bunch of OFA Obama organizers protested his office because he was not being he was not sufficiently for Obamacare and he started yelling at us and then all the other senators thirty Elena's like why aren't you in the Republicans offices which they were by like in no one in no Obama White House official had said hey local Tallahassee affair organization go protest Bill Nelson. They had this is decentralized organizing. So they did it on their own so that was one challenge I think is I think if Bernie Sanders but I want to hold on. That sounds from it because there's a way of understanding that not as a challenge but a success. I think if a sandwich person sitting here they would say is the problem with the Obama Administration is when Dan pfeiffer and Pete Rouse and whoever heard Bill Nelson wining. They folded. When what should have done is like the Tallahassee chapter should have been directed to make Bill Nelson's life miserable until he was more supportive but much more to the point Joe Lieberman's life miserable Ben. Nelson's life miserable and you hear Bernie say versions of this. He got asked. I think I want to say it was on CNN. About what. Are you going to do with Mitch? Mcconnell and he said well Medicare for all is popular. And I'M GONNA send my people into Kentucky Because Kentucky Inns need Medicare for all too and like they're going to change the political ecosystem in which Mitch McConnell is operating. And so like that's the that's the thing I want to hear. You sponsor like can you? Can you move senators including friendly ones through fear as opposed to through good personal relationships? I don't know the answer to that. In terms of friendly senators right endings can be different every place. We have a different political calculus. Maybe it could work on a Bill Nelson because he is in a purple state right but if you send a bunch of organizers to Nebraska or does it for now did Joe Mansion right like some Joe Manchin is GonNa need fifteen to twenty percent and people who voted for trump to vote for him and so that Calculus exists and. I don't know if that will work. If Bernie wants to try that he should. I think the I'm skeptical to work. It could possibly. This could possibly work on a democrat. It is not gonNa work on a Republican in the short term. And that was the lesson that we took so at so the history of this as we started this organization it was premier that was our volunteer organization was GONNA help us pass legislation. I think it helped like after everyone's sort of caught off guard by the tea party town halls into that summer it was oh organization who was going to all the other town halls for. Democrats every time forward until we actually passed the bill. Eight months later. Whatever it was I think was provided support for Democrats. Who Do wanted to do the right thing. And was not successful in pressuring Republicans to do the right thing. But that's because of all the other problems of polarization and everything else but also these people who stayed involved in state trained then went and were volunteers and field organizers for two thousand and ten Senate and House candidates and then became organizers for Obama. Twice off after twenty twelve we created the next generation of OFA in that ver. This is where I think the mistake. The mistake was that with this. We believe that we could then at that point. Have more success. Pressuring Republicans to help enact Obama's agenda post two thousand twelve and the lesson from that is the way to get progressive. Things out of Republican states is to elect Democrats in those states. Not Pressure the. Republicans in office to do those things and so what we could have done differently. Should really was taken our people and Obama's ability to raise money and use it to build sustainable bottom up progressive power in those states as opposed to so not a legislative strategy a long-term electoral strategy a bunch of angry. Democrats in a very Republican district is not GonNa Change. The opinion of someone who doesn't need the votes of those Democrats are going to have to change the political calculus in that district to have impacts in. So that's where I think. Bernie Sanders is mobilization legislative strategy. I think runs into the reality of American politics stanage. So you say in the book that the decision that haunts you from the Obama Administration is not to push the employee free choice. Act over the finish line talk about that. People always ask lay just because people are who people are. They never ask you. What your favorite thing you accomplish there was asked. What was the least everything you didn't accomplish and most people that I work with would say climate change immigration reform gun control? Which are all complete legitimate answers? I have questions about whether the Democratic Senate of two thousand and nine could pass any of those things but the reason that the employee Free Choice Act haunts me. Which is otherwise carjack. It's a law that would make it much easier for UNIS. Organize WORK SITES. Is it speaks a larger problem in the Democratic Party. Which is we do not think strategically enough about political power. We do not think strategically enough about how. We build up members of our coalition. How do we ensure we have power of the Lord Howe? Humility were almost uncomfortable. Political power and even that like the helping strengthen labor unions is br put aside as if they had no role elections. That would be the right thing to do. One of the causes of economic inequality country's diminishing power of unions. You can look at a macro level. You know micro level on state like Wisconsin but also is that the labor unions have earned important part of our of the Democratic Party coalition. And we are. We have allowed the Republicans to gut them and we had an opportunity when we had the political power to do something. And we didn't do it and this is not just Obama. This is the this is a congress that was exhausted from the affordable care act and under number of Democratic senators came out against yes and in large part because the Chamber of Commerce said they spent millions and millions of dollars. Because anyone who did this by the way it happened in the seventies two hundred quarter. They there's a huge democratic majority. There was an effort to liberalize Labor laws and it failed and like this is I think where the attacks that Democrats are compromised by corporate power and money really really gained force and we ultimately didn't do it. I would note. The Gym of Commerce. Still spent millions of dollars to all those and succeeded in many cases and I contrast it in the book to the way the Republicans deal with the NRA. Which is when I was in the search for Tom Daschle. At the time in the early two thousands there was this bill that we've talked about a lot in this campaign to protect gun manufacturers from legal liability and the reason the NRA one of this bill so much is that they were afraid that the NRA and the gun manufacturers would go the way the tobacco companies that even if they had a lock on congress through political power and lobbying and campaign contributions they will lose in the courts and the Republicans understood that the NRA in gunners were important part of their political coalition. So they took a very unpopular theoretically unpopular and morally questionable decision. But they did it because it was good for. They understood that they could not let one of their coalition partners be diminished and it just it goes to the fundamental difference when Democrats and Republicans over many many years is Republicans understand the acquisition maintenance accumulation of political power in. Democrats are deeply uncomfortable with that and I think that is a huge problem. Another example of that is why Democrats did not make DC estate in two thousand nine two thousand and ten when we had the opportunity to do so and it speak like it wasn't it wasn't even a discussion like I don't even remember a meeting where anyone talked about it. That do not involve Oliver. Eleanor Holmes Norton in the DC representative telling us to do it and it's like basically it was Obama's position. I don't know whether he could have gotten in sixty votes. Because you're dealing with Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson these other difficult figures within the party by it wasn't even discussing. I think in part because it seemed to us to give the people of DC who should be a state political power in knowing that we give us two democratic senators given the political leanings of the district would somehow feel dirty pool and we'd be attacked for it and we were like rigging politics better disenfranchise people deemed Puerto Rico than to possibly be seen. Yeah getting more political power because they freely vote for democratic. It's an insane position when you speed it allowed. And then you think about what Mitch. Mcconnell would do in two thousand seventeen if devoted like Utah would Makdissi estate in two seconds. Go to make it easier to repeal the VA and passes tax cuts and get more judges and we think differently. And I don't think Democrats should should become like the inverse of McConnell but there are lessons to be learned about how you use the political power. You have to think strategically about having more political power because you cannot pass progressive policies without political power. So I've been working on struggling with an essay forever and it keeps getting shunted off but it's related to to what you write about these issues in your book. Which is that. I think the problem here is that Democrats for all their rhetoric and for what their name even actually is have lost sight of democracies and actual value. They'll talk about it. And but they talk about it primarily in a thin and defensive way they care a lot about voting rights laws passed That would disenfranchise democratic constituencies. They care about the gutting of the voting rights. Act at the Supreme Court level They care about things that are happening. North Carolina and Gerrymandering. They care about offensive acts. The Republican Party is doing to disenfranchise people to arrogate power to itself but there is not a similar connection to democracy that there is to say egalitarianism or You know redistribution or leading the suffering of the poor that freeze Democrats to think proactively about what to do with it. And if you did have a genuine democracy agenda if you're committed to democracy as an ideal it would I think help you make decisions between what is the difference between making DC in Puerto Rico states and breaking California into states. You get sixteen senators out of it. Which legally you can do. And similarly I think core packing more difficult question given McFarland and other things but one of my frustrations is that people just seem to take people and I mean here primarily Democrats although I wish this retreat for everybody but but they're they're the closest to to having reasonable position on this have just lost the idea that democracy is something worth fighting for and worth taking some hits for. They want to defend what they have. But they've actually expanding it doesn't seem to move people off the couch or move up the democratic priority list. In the way you might think it would I mean this is what you just said is exactly why I wrote the book. You're right that we get very upset and we will fight back when Republicans take democratic power away from people. But we don't think strategically about limited marcy within the current system and ultimately what this I think truly comes down to. Is that our system both a combination of decisions. The founders made the Senate the Electoral College plus sort of ruthless exploitation of the system by Mitch. Mcconnell the coke brothers etc has put us in a world where a progressive growing diverse majority is going to be governed for decades on end by conservative shrinking white minority. And that means like one. I think that tests the actual strength of our economy of our country period like is that that even a sustainable way for historically. That's just not a very good way to run a run a country over the long-term second everything we talk about in this primary is whistling past the graveyard. Don't deal with that problem. Democrats are always focused on what we're focused on. How and if you don't take those things on very aggressively that it's not just simply undoing voter. Id It's like what or undoing voter suppression. What is what is the largest form of voter expansion? You can possibly do to make it as easy and convenient for as many eligible voters as possible. And to think creatively about what the pool of eligible voters is and you are seeing some progress with this on the voter side with the real efforts to reinforce ranch is recently incarcerated. People like that. That is something the idea that someone would run for. Governor of Kentucky as a Democrat in have rian franchise men in their platform and win a very positive sign so there is progress but and this is where I think. Trump is problematic. Because it's like if you could just get rid of trump thinks it'd be fine but what I try to tell. People is that trump didn't break democracy. The broken democracy gave us trump and quite literally. Yeah like he got three million fewer votes. The you know. He won Wisconsin with fewer votes Mitt. Romney got when he lost by seven points. Like if you look at that and trump if trump wins or loses. He's he very likely lose the popular vote by more than he did in two thousand sixteen. It's very possible. It may be that if we don't address some of these things through voter expansion and trying to track electoral college which is harder that every republican president ever elected in our future. We'll get fewer votes. But this is why I want to say why say the Democratic Party on this because something? I'm GonNa hear immediately when this podcast goes up. If I don't say this is from house. Democrats who will note that the first thing they did in two thousand eighteen. Hr One which was a big pro democracy. Bill which is not like everything I would put it in the bill but it's it's very simple. It's a big step fourth party to make their first piece of legislation. The issue is that IF SENATE DEMOCRATS DO NOT BELIEVE EXPANDING. Democracy is more important than preserving the filibuster than hr one has absolutely zero chance of passage. And I think people need to really appreciate this. There is no way like zero. Hr One passes under the current system. You cannot do it through budget reconciliation. So the question for the Democratic Party quite genuinely is is democracy both majoritarian democracy in the Senate right. The idea that passengers with fifty one votes is actually the right way around the Senate but is it worth doing so you can enfranchise people so you can make sure that we actually have a democracy in this country and right now the answer of almost every Democratic senator and by the way that includes not just your amy Klobuchar cars But also Bernie Sanders. Himself is no is. The filibuster is great. We've used it a lot against Donald trump and there was just a partial birth abortion. Bill that might have passed Also Look Senate. Has Republican lean to get rid of the filibuster that might just empower Republicans because they have more power in the Senate? I might answer to that that it wouldn't have much of a Republican lean if you got rebel-buster in DC and Puerto Rico states but but there is way in which the party just does not care enough about democracy to take some incoming fire and like a bad David Brooks calmer to to do something about it and I think that's say long term. I think that's much more immoral position than than people give credit for Luke. Donald trump is a great danger to the political system and he would like to be a strong man if he had some discipline and focus and strategy about how to do it and everything people say about him is true but as you just said like American politics is it real risk of entering an extended legitimacy crisis where donald trump could win his next election by losing the popular vote and then Ruth Bader Ginsburg ends up leaving a seat and so on and so forth and you just have this minority -tarian path to power keeps entrenching itself and passing more decisions to give itself more power and it's one thing to be making that worse that's quite bad but if you have the capacity to fix it and you don't and you don't prioritize fixing it then some level you're complicit to it's it is insane like. I honestly do not want to hear another politician who does nother who does not support getting rid of the filibuster talked to me about the importance of passing controls Because you need to give her filibuster control loss in Warren and people to Judge Seven. Not Debate them. And let's say by or Bernie change their position and they decide they're against the filibuster and so that they get elected and they're gonNA go Senate in the Senate is GonNa be filled with people who say they don't WanNa get rather filibuster right Bernie. Still there people like Chris coons and Amy Klobuchar very passionate about this and like you got to test it right. And I'd like in that said I would put universal background checks on the floor. Ninety percent support everyone wants it and the Republicans are going to filibuster four months after losing a presidential election and I have never been a one issue voter and I'm obviously our nominee is almost certainly be somebody's GonNa vote for them. What an actor or donate to them all that but I just find the opposite who the filibuster to be such a infuriating position half because you're acknowledging that we're going to do nothing about climate change until the planet mounts if we have to wait for eight to ten Republicans to decide to do something about climate change. The Senate is going to be under water and I think that the policy in Washington being naive about the not just the substantive consequences of ignoring climate change in favor of a relatively absurd senate tradition but the political consequences of that you see that somewhat in Bernie Sanders is support right. You see them on your people at sunrise movement is they're radicalized around this issue because they think this because they know this is going to affect them in their lives and turning a blind eye on that procedural concerns is to me an insane political position for the Democrats to have been just an insane moral position. I think for anybody I mean this to me is. We've been spending some time here. Critiquing a copy establishment or mainstreaming the Democratic Party. This is a critique I really do have of the emergent left though which is I think. They are so focused on an ideological critique of the party that they don't have an institutional critique of what holds things back so universal background checks being good example. There is a deep belief on the left that if you can put forward bills that are popular and argue for them you can pass them and I think nothing shows the fallacy of that more clearly than filibuster and yet when I talk to people on the left and when you just like literally ask this question directly of Bernie Sanders. The answer is either. It's not thought about that Macho Bernie Sanders actively opposes getting rid of the of of the filibuster. And in general I think a problem for sanders has been that he and many in his coalition. Find a lot of just the work of politics grimy Sanders runs way behind in. Endorsements where you might expect. I think this might look like a very different primary. If he had done the work to get endorsements from people like an AB- share Brown and Tammy Baldwin there are liberals were important figures in the Democratic Party who agree with Bernie Sanders on a lot of issues. Who when he dominated in Iowa New Hampshire and Nevada might have been willing to come on board. If you know the right conversations have been had but instead a lot of the left is simply furious and Elizabeth Warren. At the time that we are talking She did not drop out before. Super Tuesday and endorse him as opposed to warning why that political work has been happening. And so this is a real concern. I have over the emergent left that it's got a theory video. It's it's got a theory of organizing but it doesn't in the way that I think it believes it does have a theory of politics because it's turned off by a lot of the transactional nature of politics. Yeah I think there's a lot to that. It is a movement that has grown up in opposition to the quote Unquote Democratic Establishment. Right like that was really the nature. The energy behind a lot of Santa Sixteen campaign was about the democratic establishment. Now that's tied in with Clinton ISM and Clinton and a you know twenty or thirty. Year Dominance of Democrats by that family bide arguing necessarily always against the actual problems in the Democratic Party. Like like it is a view that anyone who doesn't like this. I'M A I'm giving string extreme view but that the reasons the Democrats don't agree with Bernie Sanders on things as they are corrupt. Yes they are being bought by money right that the that is all part of the Patriot system or the wrong grafters and all of that in the reasons why people do things. Don't do things very different than that. And some of it is politics. Some of it is I am in this purple state and if I was for the thing Bernie. Sanders was four. I think I would lose. They could be right. They be wrong but that's the reason it's not so that the health insurance industry will give me money not to say that there aren't there isn't corruption in politics but it's it is actually in my experience. The Democratic Party of the not the driving reason why people don't do the things that Bernie Sanders wants them to do. So that's part one part two. Is You talk about Bernie Sanders not wanting to base essentially not wanting to play the game of politics right. And which you don't want to do if you think. The game of politics is corrupt. One of things I think it really hurts. Sanders in terms of his momentum was his comments about Castro in the reaction to them now I agree with every word Bernie Sanders said about Castro. It is almost verbatim what Barack Obama said about Castro just a few years earlier and I believe much of the reaction among democratic politicians was about the fact that they do not want Bernie Sanders to be the nominee and so there was a lot of varies a specific kind of vulnerability. This kind of thing. Yeah like in the same way they broke. Obama is unbelievably cautious on issues of race. Like Democrats want Bernie Sanders to be very cautious on issues of Socialists. Right but the way Bernie Sanders in his campaign handled. That fallout was to be defensive into. Thanks basically that these people are cowards or calculating and what I think and as I was happening what I thought about was. Do you remember the flag? Pin Controversy with Obama. Do so in two thousand eight. It was sort of a we. Were doing this. Debate and Obama did not unlike most politics. I remember controversies of Obama. It sounds like I'm having boring telling somebody about a dream it's like I sat at the diner but they never brought him. It's like the woke up in a cold sweat. It's hard to explain this to people who were not engaged. You were too young to be engaged in politics two thousand. This was the thing but unlike many politicians after nine eleven obama did not wear a flag pin most the time like. I think he would wear it if he was meeting with the military or something like that. Patricia he just put it on and that was it was almost unintentional and his. He's sort of thought. And this was a very Bombay thinking that what a cheesy way to. Show your patriotism Who is more of a patriot? 'cause they put a flag on right here? These people who are lying about the Iraq war who wear all the fence right and that doesn't mean that they're patriots and it got acid debate completely absurd debate hosted by as George Stephanopoulos in Charlotte Gibson. Why don't you wear if like Ben? And he his answer was not great he was like. I am a Patriot on the way to do it but eventually it became a huge controversy in part because there was a huge effort to make. Brockton Obama seem UNAMERICAN and not believe in American values and I remember sitting on that campaign. Thinking Obama is right like F. This like you shouldn't have to wear a flag pin. He can even say we have to reflect. What DID OBAMA DO? He put on a flight. Ben And I think sometimes you have to learn in politics to just each and sometimes like burt like there was a way in which Bernie could have said like. After the fall out happened he could have. Even if he didn't agree with the reactions of of downhill and some of the members of Congress. He could have acknowledged their concerns in a way to move onto the next thing. And there's a stubbornness in a refusal to do. So that comes. I think from an idea when you believe that most people in your party are corrupt. They're corrupt cowards. And therefore their their concerns cannot be legitimate. Or I can't even pretend if I even if I if even if I don't agree with their concerns I can pretend to acknowledge them or that. I will be corrupt in that that was Obama had to learn. What's unless you have to play the game? That doesn't mean you do anything corrupt. Sometimes you just have to do you have to have a strategic retreat on some things so you can pass your bigger goals and one of the things that I think you get into. Here is the particular way that Bernie Sanders and his supporters talk pass. Let's call it the liberal wing of the Democrat Party who they often consider to be Unacceptably compromised. Is that a lot of those folks by virtue of not running status boost. Vermont or just having been through different experiences in taking different lessons have maybe started in a pretty similar place. Bernie Sanders is policies are actually not particularly unusual for the Democratic Party. Hr Six seventy six which is single payer. Bill was very popular bill to cosponsor in the house or a lot of Democrats In the Senate who will say that something like Medicare for all is their goal. But a lot of them having either lived through the failure in Nineteen ninety-four of Clinton's bill or the tea party backlash around obamacare and particularly the backlash. When I think it was three and a half million plans got cancelled. That were really shitty. But the idea given how much of a crisis that was politically that one hundred sixty million just seems crazy to them that they've moved down. This road of like the outcome here is important enough to them that they will eat shit for it right. They will come out with something compromised. They will come out with something. I mean this is very much in many ways but obamacare itself voice right. It happened in the shadow of the ninety four failure and it was an effort to include things like an individual mandate and other things that were supposed to like weaken opposition. Which sort of half work that. We cannot position in industry and so on and now that's looked at as as unacceptable and there are a lot of parts of it that I personally dislike but nevertheless it was a re worked actually pass a bill that usually had failed When when tried in other ways and this to me is that the way that people are having trouble even conversing in this primary that there is fundamentally here debate about how do you do politics. And what do you have to do to win in politics? And what constraints are binding and politics. And if I moderated some of these debates I would like to have some debates actually on that issue like I would like to keep the candidates off of this question of my plan would be better if I had a magic wand and force him into this question of of how to do politics because something. It's interesting now about the choice. Democrats are confronted with is much more than Joe. Biden has a theory of policy for the country. He has always had a deep politics. He's somebody who likes the practice of legislative dealmaking. He somebody believes deeply implore Alyssum. It's why he'll talk about things. We need a Republican Party. I mean he's somebody who really believes in American politics is working it has deep transactional nature to it. And and Bernie. Sanders doesn't but that's very much a dispute at the end of the day. Which one of these approaches will get more done Binding believes he will get a more progressive agenda done than Bernie Sanders because he will get things done the sanders will fail at Sanders plays. He won't fail obviously. I wish we'd better language for this. I think we miss this as a dimension of disagreement in American politics when it's actually the foundational one. Yes we you know. We don't really think enough about like I said we don't know how we think we spent all the way and I think one of the challenges is we almost always talk about what presidents will do in the context of legislation and not enough in the context of all the other things that president right the most like a much better in in informative debate is about what kind of person would be a treasury secretary for Biden versus Bernie or. What kind of person? Who just secretary or who would be in charge of IRA the regulatory office like that. That's one of the reasons I think. Elizabeth Warren contribute a lot to the state is more than any other candidate. She had thought about her theory of change in the context of what you do in a world where it's going to be hard to get things through like. She obviously had a billion plants in needed passing legislation. There was always a executive action component of this and so a couple things one whether they were overly legislatively focused. Just because every President Obama pass more laws than Clinton and Bush Combined Clinton and Bush is combined and we spent all the time talking about the things he didn't pass right and even under the most optimistic scenario. Where you get rid of the filibuster. You're still going to be in a world where you're going to need either. Joe Manchin kitson cinema or Doug Jones to vote with your vice president to get to fifty. Yeah and not only that. I mean something that this is like my hobby as you talk in your book about wishing people be presidentially focused and I should say I have the same wish and here I am having this conversation with your. We've mentioned Joe Biden Bernie. Sanders names a lot positive. America does a lot of talking about presidential candidates. I don't know how many Democrats realize it. Ron Wyden from Oregon will be if Democrats take the Senate the Senate Finance Chair. That will make him with the exception. Maybe of Chuck Schumer the single most powerful Democrat in the Senate on healthcare on taxes on basically anything that involves money and the democratic agenda. Have a lot of respect for Ron Wyden. I've covered for a long time. He's a very. I think. Thoughtful and season politician but he's not like a revolutionary and understanding. Ron Wyden is going to be somebody you're going to have to deal with. Is something that I think. People are not thinking about in any clear way but it's also immediate problem that we don't know how to get people invested narrative icing. This like something. I've always been proud of In the election we did in November At the American prospect I was editor there. At the time we ran a big. I ran a big Max Baucus profile because I knew he was going to really matter on this and I think it's only got worse like as immediately got more competitive and trump is like blotted out everything else in the sun. I sold little conversation and good reporting about like what are Congressional. Democrats thinking and seeing this is a system that has more dimensions. And simply it's presidential arm like ultimately let's just look at Bernie Sanders and Medicare for all right. Which is Ron? Wyden is gonNA write that bill and Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House and Nancy Pelosi. Bill has been at best dismissive of Medicare for all and seems annoyed. When it gets brought up and presidents have power to push things. They may seem off the table before they get there right. There's a lot of things like the idea that Obama's GonNa push through. Don't ask don't tell. With a lot of those Democratic senator seemed insane before became president and started pushing it people do the resorts reversion to the policies of the president among the overwhelming majority of the Caucus. There will be outliers like Joe. Manchin for instance. But Yeah I think people don't understand either are the role. Congress plays into all the conversation about Obama spent so much time trying to court. Republicans for healthcare which was something directly related to Max Baucus Gang of eight theory of politics where he was going to like he wanted to do everything with. Grassley like he wanted. Grassley sign off on it so not that Obama was against that idea necessarily but eventually his patients grew shorter with this before. Baucus Day which is eventually in the fall of two thousand nine when he went and gave that he basically had to give a joint session of Congress to tell Max Baucus in the rest of the Democrats removing on our own here and so I only people recognize the the the limits to presidential power which I think people need to recognize. 'cause we we do live in this. It's it's all do you take something from the the mid ought slag the green in theory of politics or the great man or woman theory of history or just are the fact that we treat our president lake the head of state instead of the head of government. All those things. I think put undue expectations on what a president can and can't accomplishing. We don't spend enough time looking at the other people who in the other ways to get things done the fact that you know what happens at the state level is not necessarily as important as what as a present is because the governor can order United States to invade a country by in terms of like impacting people's lives like the governor of California's ability to give people better healthcare and higher minimum wage. All those things in places where the president can is incredibly notable. Let me inhabit. The other side is debate for a minute. Which is that. By the same token there are real constraints there also imagine constraints or within Democratic World's social financial and does a little bit transactional or corrupted constraints. And something you talk about in your book is the influence of the consultant class on the Democratic Party and the ways in which had has become malign. Could you expand on that a bit? Sure I mean I've been in politics for twenty years off and on basically a podcast but technically it's a political podcast. I guess I'm still your I assure you you're a political dish practitioner for much of my life working on campaigns and in government and the people who are consultants on campaigns. Now many of whom are my friends are smart. The sort of the media consultants the Chief strategist are the same? People were on campaigns. I started campaigns in the late ninety s and there has been this class of people who have like the same people who advised Zeynep consultants who advise Tom Daschle. Work for Tom. Daschle advised Harry Reid when he was a leader in advised. Chuck Schumer is now that he's the Senate leader and there's actual corruption and there's perception of corruption. Perception of corruption is a is much more frequent than actual corruption and perception of corruption is very dangerous to Democrats because it's so cynicism and we need and cynical voters stay home and we need people to turn out and for a long time. There was this model of politics. Which was you do campaigns in even years and you do corporate consulting in the authors and the problem is the Democrats for Democratic Party starting with Obama now even more so has become more efficient to corporate power. And that's going to be crazy to some people who think we're not but definitely the Clinton Era Democratic Party was much business big business friendlier than the Obama Era Party in in in the party now is even less so as as sort of corporate. America has rallied around trump right. We've become less friendly with Wall Street. We become less friendly with In the Sanderson Elizabeth Warren I think deserve credit and in even in particular and small donor. The rise small doing week in that more we become less dependent on Bernie Sanders has shown that you do not need to hold a single fundraiser to raise to be a massively well-funded can Kennedy and I hope everyone takes that lesson going forward but there's a real damn the real dangerous situation where the where people are naturally cynical where the people advising politicians who say. They're fighting for expanded healthcare also working for the insurance companies bright and I think and I talk about the the fact that the Democratic Party should think about a rule whereby if you want to consult for the party you can consult for a corporate interests for some period of time much like government. Right if you want to under Obama's rules if you want to work in the administration you can't. You can't a lobbyist for two years you cannot work on anything. There were people got wear a small people who got some exceptions to it and some of them were people who were lobbyists for good things right but some of them. There were some that. I wish we had absolutely not done but over. The overwhelming rule was if you had lobbyists for the good example is a guy who had been the lobbyists for the campaign for tobacco-free kids got an exception to work on tobacco issues at. Hhs there were some that people who work defense industry. Who got something to work for? Bob Gates at the Pentagon much was not a good idea. But you couldn't be a lobbyist you and if you couldn't work on anything in which you worked on for years and once you left you could not interact with the White House or the administration anyway on any issue in which you had a financial interest right for two years so the revolving door like that should also apply to political work as well because they think. I'm not advocating purity tests but I think it only gets good politics to say we can't do Medicare for all for for political reasons even if this book reasons legitimate but if the person advising you to do so is someone who has also worked for the opponents to Medicare for all her currently work for Medicare for all like most people parts of America coast. Tommy Vietor Thought. Foreign policy was boring and complicated. And then he got the education of a lifetime. Working for President Obama's National Security Council. It was a crash course taught him two things one is that anyone can understand these issues to that. We all have an obligation to try. So I started. Pod saved the world a weekly podcast from cooking media the breakdown international news and foreign policy developments but doesn't feel like homework each week. He and former deputy national security adviser and coast. Ben Rhodes Walk you through the latest developments with a variety of experts. He get great people. 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Spotify or in your favorite podcast APP later nerds miscue. What's going to be a bit of a delicate question? Joe Biden has emerged emerged as the frontrunner something striking about twenty sixteen. And I did reporting this. At the time was there was not a big movement. From Inside the Obama Administration for people to push the Joe Biden should be the successor. Hillary Clinton wrap that up pretty quickly and I talked to people. Then who would say? I love Joe Biden but as president. It's a little bit hard for me to see doesn't run meetings while Etcetera In twenty twenty there is also not a notable coalescing of the Obama people around Biden. You're in the Obama White House and a lot of these people can job. I didn't do the job. Would be would be a good president one hundred percent. I have no doubt he can do the job. I have no doubt he would be a very good president and I think we obviously experienced. I think he would have. He would have a very good team like he is like we talk a lot about people who you know like one of trump's great failings says he hires all the wrong people biden has a history of actually hiring some of the best and smartest people in the Democratic Party at very young ages and keeping them in orbit for a very long time. I Take Ron Clean for instance who worked for Biden. The juicer committee very young age was Biden's chief of staff one of the most talented government officials in the entire Party. People like Bruce Reid who worked for the Hogan who was his Council for a long time. But he like He. Would I think Biden? What hat would bring the best and the brightest into government which I think is incredibly important and Obama had that ability because there is this sort of JFK. Wyche excitement about government again. And I think Biden would do that in a world of people really liked your Biden like there is a Toronto swell of affection for him among people in democratic politics and because of the urgency of taking on the task of undoing what trump did like their fields this. There's an urgency to I think would bring people in the question of why people didn't rally around him right away is I think there are a couple of reasons one is I think a Lotta people weren't sure he was the best person to contract. You don't particularly Obama. People who believe very strongly in a theory of change of politics it may be. The best person is not a former vice president who has been either a senator or vice president for the entire lives of anyone who's under the age of forty five like I'm forty four. Joe Biden had been the center for three years when I was born in his home state of Delaware and semi vice-president every day of my life until two thousand seventeen and so there are questions their profile wise necessarily right and then I think some of us and I certainly felt this way. Which is we adore. Joe Biden personally just absolutely adore him and have witnessed up hand him deal with tremendous tragedy in his life and sort of the last thing. Anyone wanted was for this to go poorly for him but he had been this truly historically great and nationally beloved vice president when he left he was incredibly popular Pop more popular Baba and a lot of false and the idea that he could And the last moment of his political career would be losing. You know finding out that he was coming in third in a hotel room in Iowa. New Hampshire was concern like from a personal level. You didn't want that for him in any way shape or form and I really would like regardless. I remember thinking after Iowa New Hampshire. I was like I just hope not as a voter. Not as a person thinking about. Who's Best I? I just hope. Whatever happens Joe Biden Win South Carolina so he has that moment? I didn't necessarily think that expected launch him through Super Tuesday to become this leader in the primary but just because you care personally about him and like all of us were involved in talking to each other in two thousand fifteen when he was thinking about running very late the process against Hillary with a similar conversation that point was we thought that he was probably too late to actually win tax be the nominee was that it was. I heard when I talked to not use specifically but but people like you you you kind of people to us. Is that one of the difficult things about being an Obama station staffer to move from sort of Obama to Biden is Obama has is very cool calculated technocratic style like reads every briefing book nosy issues better than the policy people. Do you know former law school. Constitutional Law Professor Are Harvard Law Review Editor etc and that Biden In part because he was there to balance Obama out on the ticket has it's more emotive interpersonal intuitive. Like I know this guy and I looked into his eyes and I can tell you that and that it's just a very different model of running a White House I think in some ways like the like the intensity of how people run the White House diminished in the age of trump because like the comparison is donald trump not brock Obama. But I'm curious about the differences. Also in how they would run it because Biden is a very different than Obama. They are could not be more. Different Obama is intellectual politician but he thinks about politics in a very intellectual way. Which doesn't mean this is not the lead into the aloof the writings of fossil if producer because he loves to be OUT WITH PEOPLE I love talking to people but he thinks about this is a very intellectual human being and he thinks about things in a very linear numeric way of every media goes like three things one two three right point one point two four. Three and Biden is much looser He's a gut politician he. He makes us decisions from his gut. He thought that the they're not informed a well thought out but he just it's a very different approach like a meeting with by an Obama is very different right. Obama runs a meeting. He makes her everyone talks. He very explicitly ensures that the people who disagree with him get a chance to say it Because he wants that and he like everything a strategy with them like he will go into a meeting and he will argue the opposite of what is eventual decision will be to test is eventual decision against. Everyone Biden is very different right. He he comes in. He's like things are much more related to experiences. He's had or people he's met on the on the trail or politicians. He's worth he. He projects it is really gut and I think they would run different white houses. I think that Biden White House might be more. I don't WanNa say staff driven but I think Obama was sometimes he could be. He could also be the best staffer at Biden necessarily be the best effort. So Biden tends to pick one chief of staff that he who is very very very very talented person and empowers them and lets them run a lot in his and sort of works with that person in a way that Obama was headed any sort of a different approach. Not that Obama's chiefs not quite talented but Obama sort of worked with lots of different people and so I think they would be different and I also think that Biden would do in this would be to his benefit would spend more time like on the phone with other people in politics talking what they're hearing saying and he like he wants to talk to people and he would constantly be on the phone with that that informs his approach to things a lot of ways. And sometimes that's great. And sometimes you're getting that information from Lindsey Graham or whatever but he like. I think probably like there was always discussion about how Bill Clinton was up all night on the phone with members of Congress getting in talent things like that. It's like why didn't Obama do that? And he did it more than he got credit for but he would see more of that with Biden as he would be constantly talking to people and I think sometimes that is great. 'cause you get better intelligence. Sometimes it can be paralyzing In your decision making process but binds pretty good decision maker when the time comes one other question sort of related to the sort of not. We've talked a bit about both here. When I came on positive view on my book about polarization being this big structure enveloping lots of different kinds of politicians. In it'll envelope Joe Biden to or Bernie Sanders too but something was distinct about. Obama was that he was a black man named Rocko Saint Obama and that created some currents in the form of opposition that he faced that were unique to him. How do you think it will be different for Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders to be president? You think there'll be a noticeable difference in how the Republican Party to them. Do you think there'll be things they could do that. Obama shied away from couldn't do what do you think the difference is as the Democratic Party is now it seems to have come back down to two white men. I. This is a hard question because sort of a lot of what people misunderstood about the two thousand sixteen politics about the two thousand sixteen election. Was that the biggest case for optimism. Hillary Clinton was the view that Barack Obama represented the Democratic Party performance with White voters twelve and that Hillary Clinton would somehow do better with white voter like even if there. Was this. Drop off an African American turnout. That would be made up by white people who could not vote for Obama because he was black and that was a fundamental MISUNDERSTA. Politics is Hillary Clinton actually did worse than Obama and enough so that she we went from Massive Electoral College victory to losing to the Blue Wall collapsing around us. And so it's not evident to me. I don't think the Republicans will be more. I don't think they're probably be more willing to cooperate with Bernie Sanders Or Biden with Bronco Bubba. I think Fox News. You have to make some real programming changes. Because a lot of why they started running posted hundred and nine were things that were racial grievance oriented. I like all the sudden Fox. News became very interested in stories about groups of African American children. Beating up white kids on school buses. Right like I think. I don't think that becomes Hebrew Black Panthers right the new Black Panther like if Bernie Sanders is president. Like we're Fox will only talk about Socialists. Right emerge the fear of socialism would be the thing that would drive it. I'm not sure what would be the job. I'd I don't think the Republican Party will act differently per se. I think that in some of the critiques of the Obama Administration about thinks he did do or didn't do or halley approached. That you hear a lot from the left are done from this racially blind perspective. I think which doesn't acknowledge how the media in politics generally treats things from a person of color of white person right and we've had this conversation as relates gender in this election. The things that Bernie Sanders can get away with Elizabeth. Warren cannot writer Joe Biden With the name the club dot but so maybe that they're like there would be some freedom of than a white politician. 'cause do some things that a non white politician couldn't do but I don't know exactly what that would be but I think the idea that it was because Barack Obama's Black Republicans opposed him ignores sort of what their political incentives are and that they will be equally oppositional to like. I believe Hillary Clinton wanted to take him. The hell had kept the prominent still had the house. She would have been impeached earlier on the calendar in her presidency than Donald. Trump was right and that wasn't Hillary Clinton White and black and I think we should expect a Republican House to be equally rabid against a Democratic president coming for. I don't WanNa be dismissive of the role that race plays in this because it certainly it certainly does and I guess they put the sample is like we had the. I think it was recently the Tenure University of the beer summit. Yeah I had to. I had to do some interviews about the for a NPR retrospective oral history. It was the thing that actually happened was on this American lightweight really oh well and and it was viewed as time. Is this moment in politics that this was the premise. A lot of these stories was the that was the moment when politics became radicalized on racial lines. Because Obama made that statement about the COP Henry Louis Gates and my take on. That was that was not the moment but like obviously Joe Biden Brigade. That was the moment as opposed to a consequence of like if Joe Biden. Sanders got asked that question. They answered it with the exact same Momma did it's treated very differently. If Joe Biden Bernie Sanders says We didn't build that. That's really very differently than brock. Obama said right. If civil unrest happens around Ferguson. That's treated very differently with Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. President is Brcko Baba's right both expectations of the president to speak to the concerns of the protesters and the political consequences of it happening on their watch right and I think that that overrides everything. I don't know that that means Mitch. Mcconnell treats them any differently but there is a political context. I think is not as often not thought about end like I think. This is an element of politics that some on the popular. D Say left. Don't think enough about is the racial context of these things where politics since the eighties. Republican thing is basic messages. Democrats wanted to take things away from hardworking white people. Give THEM TO PEOPLE OF COLOR. Who Don't work and when you have an African American president in the middle of a financial crisis with a housing crisis at all that that political context over hey over Hong everything in a way. Like the makers takers argument of Paul rioted. The ILK is about black people on Hispanic people and the president and they. There's a reason why there's a reason that Newt Gingrich calls on the food stamp president. It's a good place to come to a close so last question always hear what three books that influenced you that you'd recommend the book I've been rereading off and on for the last. Several months is Nixon land by RECROSS STAIN. Which is a history of the run-up to sixty eight election and afterwards and when you read that book in the context of what's happening now it really makes you look back at some things that happen. The latter half of the Obama Administration that created the contexts for trump. And I think it's a really powerful book that is seems I read it when it came out ten years or whatever it was but reading it now with trump is president sir down. This election really helps you understand how we got here. Ed perhaps how we avoid staying here. So that's one two is the known world which is a book that came out maybe fifteen years ago which is a fictionalized account of slavery in America won the Pulitzer Prize. That I think is just. It's a piece of writing that just like knocked my socks off in every way and then the third maybe no ordinary time Doris. Kearns does wins a biography of the Roosevelt's new deal. Because I think it's very smart. It it read. I read it while Obama was president and read true to what it's like to have to be president at a time of crisis in what you have to get things done. That is relevant. Despite the hundred year difference in time Mike. It's a very good account of how presidents get things done pfeiffer. Thank you very much. Thank you. 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Ep 82 | Joes Odds, Holy Evidence & Cinema 101 | Guests: Carl Kerby, Mike Woody

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Ep 82 | Joes Odds, Holy Evidence & Cinema 101 | Guests: Carl Kerby, Mike Woody

"Yeah. Lord and the load. This is Steve Dace. The Steve day show. And greetings, happy Thursday. Welcome to the Steve day show live on demand on the blaze. I'm Steve days. Todd and Aaron are here with me if you'd like to join us eight eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three's the number here at the blaze, eighty eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three Steve at Steve dais dot com is the Email address you can like us on Facebook. But they don't like us there. So you need to like is there a lot follow us on Twitter at Steve dais show for those of you listening today via the podcast or on blaze radio. You don't have that trustee graphics package in front of you the last name is spelled DA. See a lot happening here today. Bottom of the hour. We're gonna have a special guest for theology Thursday. We're gonna talk to somebody whose mission is to actually go out and defend the faith. He is a real life apologised. They still exist in America. That's coming up a little bit later on. And then a return of an old friend, Mike. Quasi will be here to take us to the movies next hour as we look ahead. It starts earlier and earlier I remember when we were kids it was Memorial Day weekend, except for when a Star Wars movie would come out, you know, that that second weekend in may. And then it kind of became that first weekend in may when Sam Raimi's Spiderman movies were coming out, and then the marvel cinematic universe got underway. Now, the summer movie season begins on April, the twenty sixth spring is not even is barely a month old, but we will get it started and Mike what he will help us. Look ahead to what is coming to your Cineplex near you, the next few months. And of course, I will provide the cheeky cultural commentary on his selections. But before we get to all of that first. We must have Aaron give us the rundown on what happened while we were away. What happened while we were away brought to you by welcome to the race. Sleepy. Joe? I only hope you have the intelligence long doubt two-way just acceptable primary campaign. It'll be. Nasty you'll be dealing with people who truly have some very sick and demented ideas. But if you make it also you at the starting gates. Yes, Joe Biden has finally made it official. He's running for president. But don't worry. Everything is still sexist. It's something to see all three the type the top of the polls being led by three white men, though. I have to say it. You know, I am concerned that has when he worked for a woman candidate last time that there's something that about the sort of bias we still hold about leadership. And what that looks like that makes us gravitate towards towards men and even white men and that it it. There's something about how we this images that we still hold that makes it harder for the women candidates who are really great to break through at least one candidate understands. He's still must flog himself for being a man in for being white. I don't think anyone's identity should hold them back. But I think the next president should see all races all identities but recognize where you can't speak for someone's experience in past the mic to someone who can I pledge that? I would ask a woman to serve. Vice president I would put forward a diverse candidate. And I put four policies that would make sure that, you know, inherent bias that exists or discrimination that exists in communities would be eliminated in that. We would make sure everyone everywhere has speaking of betas we have voter ID laws that say you can use your license to carry a firearm to who you are at the ballot box. But you cannot use the student. What's up with the way, you're holding your legs? They're beta. And if Trump somehow manages to win twenty twenty DNC chair, Tom Perez says we have to be prepared for more lying cheating and stealing because they have a an approach to undermining our democracy that is shameful in other news. A Canadian father has been found guilty by court of quote unquote, family violence, because he referred to his daughter as a she after the same court had previously ordered the fourteen year old girl receive testosterone injections without parental consent. Last week. I told you about the elderly pro-life activists who was assaulted and attacked outside of Kentucky's only abortion facility, the attack left the woman with severe bleeding, broken leg and the need for surgery. We now have video. The Washington Examiner reported yesterday that the McCain family will support Joe Biden in twenty twenty Cindy McCain the widow of the late John McCain as since disputed that report. A new Pew Research poll shows twenty two percent of American dolts have a Twitter account and eighty percent of tweets come from ten percent of those accounts. Which means if my math is correct. Most of the narrative set by those on Twitter and those in the mainstream media comes from about two percent of the adult population of the United States and finally in the wake of the mainstream media and former world leaders being unable to call those who were attacked last week in insure Lanka. Christians the Mabala be has put together a handy. Eight charge for changing the names of those associated with world religions for Hindus. It's called- Woida for Buddhists. It's nirvana fans for satanists. It's dungeon master and for Scientology. It's. Well, we'll all be sued for that. So there's no real point in making an alternative name. And that's what happened while we were away. I'm just gonna tell you right now. Nobody is smarter than the Babylon bay. Nobody nobody. I mean. Absolutely, nobody in fact, when they when they win not if because all relationships, and this way sooner or later, yet can't k- happens to all of us. Right. Nobody lives forever. Nobody gets hired at some place forever. No. That's I'm not hinting anything. I'm just saying when the day comes because we all will get the tap. You know, it's what's that? What are you saying what I'm saying is the day comes for also hot just not meet I have speeding footsteps the NFL draft day when the Turk knocks on your door and invariably he will knocks on all of our doors. You do not escape the Turk. Turk knocks on our door. The my final sign off will be. Just read the Babylon bay that'll be my final it'll be how exit errands montage brought to you by our friends at ridges own. Who have a weird question for you today? Do you have a stop light on your kitchen table to let you know when to stop eating, no. Nobody nobody does. But do you have a stop light? That's naturally. You do have a stop light. That's naturally present in your body though. It just needs to get activated. 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All right in Ahrends montage today. We're going to talk about the Pew Research survey on Twitter in the roundtable coming up later today at blaze TV because I've given you some some numbers about this in the past. And it turns out I actually gave Twitter too much credit. The Overton window is far smaller. All right. So we're gonna talk a little bit about that. And this is the second time. Now, you know, we saw you know, according to CDC about two and a half of the percent of the population identifies. As homosexual who knows how much of that population is actually politically active so really talking about a niche within a niche with an inch with a niche, and yet they have been the driving political force the most powerful political movement in the country in the last decade. And he can see most of what you get consumed as you saw errands montage, most of you like, I don't have a Twitter account. And most of you don't we are. We are looking at maybe the smallest Overton window a free society has ever had. I mean, we we create. This is weird how this is worked too because most technological advances. You know, we did the five hundred anniversary of the reformation a couple of years ago. And one of the things that we talked about is the difference between Martin Luther and several of the reformers because Todd was was right in twenty out. There's this misconception. Luther was the first knowing wasn't who is just the first to get away with it. All right. There were numerous other people who challenged some of the things that they didn't like seeing emanating from Rome. They just didn't have a an invention a technological advancement that allowed them to get their message out to the masses and in a way sort of insulated them from the fates. That insulated him that from the fates that befell his predecessors, and that was in Berks printing press, but what we're seeing here now with the internet is it's going the other way at first the explosion of the internet, followed along the lines of what the written word, the printing press, the telephone other other human evolutions and mass communications opened the door wider for information to be accessed in disseminated and for people to give their for more people to feel free and giving their take on that information. And the was that way at first we're seeing now, though is is that it's actually having the effect of helping to shrink the Overton window. Because most of I mean, even the president we can't even just say this progressive thing in the present states guys uses his uses Twitter account, essentially as a White House. We don't even follow White House press briefings anymore, you know, ever since ever since. Grover dill left you at your week and yet your daily urination contests. You know, now, it's, you know, April Ryan crying about Sarah Sanders. Not you know, telling the truth every day. It's the no one watches these anymore. But but the president uses his Twitter account in place of having a White House spokesperson, really. So this isn't just, you know, the progressives that control social media, but the progressive that control social media would is happening is the Overton window. I've never seen this in human history, where a mass technological advancement in the evolution of receiving and disseminating information is causing the Overton window what we are allowed or permitted to see and talk about it's causing it to close more. We'll get into that today on the round table for for for Mr. swell. If he believes the stuff that he says in the clip and errands montage, why is he in this race? For example, the time that he was on that cable news program talking. There weren't women candidates that could have received that free that earned here earned media. Couldn't have gotten on the air for free. There weren't any minority. Other minority candidates. Couldn't have put Peter Buttigieg on there. You could have put comma Harris on their. Who is it Marianne Williamson trying to remember all their candidate? Because there's literally twenty now with Biden in the race get into that here in a second. But why even in congress? He's taking up a seat in congress that could go to a woman that could go to a minority. His his owning a seat in congress is an inherent example, a bias. So so why is even congress? They don't believe any of these things. They're all is. And they're all being told. Maybe the only thing Tom Perez said or the only thing true that was said in that entire montage was the from the DNC chair Tom Perez 'cause I can promise you no matter who gets elected Moore, lying and stealing and cheating is going to happen. And that was true, no matter who got in the last election, and in the election before that and the election before that and the election after this and the election coming up after that one. All right revival bust. It's just a matter of of are they lying cheating and stealing in a way. That does you the least amount of harm. Let's not let's not pretend anything roic is happening. Here is top likes to say nothing aspirational is occurring. Aim. So let's just let's just be dolts. Okay. Rawal adults here. Let's just keep it real. We don't lie to each other on this show. All right, nothing aspirated aerobic is taking place the lying cheating and stealing is going to continue. No matter who it's and no matter who won the last election in the one before that and the wants to come. Unless we see revival in our country the best we can hope for. Is that? Hey, that's our liar. It's sports talk radio. Yeah. I mean, I know my quarterback, you know, likes to slap his girlfriend around. But it's McCain. That's my quarterback. That's the best. We can hope for at this point. Okay. So Mr. swallow really believed what he is spewing forth in that clip. Why is he running? Why was he on television? Why does he even have a seat in congress everything he does as white male by his own claimed ideology, everything that he does or has to his benefit takes away from someone else. Someone else. In fact. Mr. swallow was the biggest big in your entire montage today by his own stated ideology, and that brings us to Joe Biden. Year of Nobis. Absolutely. The timing of his announcement is terrible. You have vendors endgame coming out, which is one of the biggest moments in recent pop culture history in we could have done this next Monday, Tuesday, it it's it's not a well-timed day. I still believe he is Jeb Bush twenty twenty. I don't see. What his basis? In the Democratic Party. And his base should be the people who watch Joe and mingka or is it Mika is Minka or mak- Miya, Mika. Okay. I wanna make sure I get it. Right. I'm not trying to be insulting. So it's M K. Yes. Okay. I don't watch the show. So I'm sorry, Joe. And Mika should be his core audience rich white people in the Democratic Party who have their money don't mind paying high taxes because they got rich. Anyway, they just don't want to have to speak Arabic. Okay. That should be audience. Right. That's that should be audience. They were dunking on him yesterday. All that being said the announcement video. He put out today was excellent. And if you're not capable of just giving receiving analysis of your the person's to turn off the announcer when your team is losing in a game. Because he reminded you of what the score is. This will not be the show for you. Okay. The exact message that needs to be articulated for a democrat to defeat Donald Trump next year is exactly what he put in that message. Most of it. The problem is it he this is why I still believe he is Jeb Bush twenty twenty a man out of time. He'd have a better chance to he's gonna try. He's gonna and this is what politicians do. They they believe in really this is not even just politicians. I see this with men in general in this era. Men in general in this era are too fearful of their weaknesses. And so they look for ways to to to Accenture they look for ways to compensate for their weaknesses, and they always do it. Always a tough word frequently do it in a way that accentuates them that draws our attention to it. And it's the whole Charlottesville business. That's in his video his announcement video at the same time. See what he's trying to do. Is he's trying to live in two realities at the same time. Ask Napoleon, you know, win two front wars. Now, some of you say Steve you have to win the primary to win the general. I agree. But I don't think Joe Biden can win trying to split the baby in half in that primary. I still think he is by far the most dangerous candidate to Trump in general election. I thought by Trumpian standards sleepy Joe I thought that was kinda lame weak your thoughts. Well, yeah. That's he's always Laming week on Twitter for the most part. Yeah. I I don't I I don't I think Biden won't have any of that business in a debate agree. I I think he will throw it back at him. I think he will do it. Well, and then what we'll see is Trump is a counterpuncher. You know, we only in one debate in the GOP primary work crews and Rubio ganged up on him. He really struggled. And then didn't do any other debates after that. Okay. So we don't we know that he's really good watching the first punch. We don't really know. How many if you can take a punch we really don't know that? All right, at least one on one on a stage. We don't. I mean, Hillary Clinton doesn't count she's a punching bag and KARN. It, you know. So. The the question becomes though. Can he survive a primary? That's the question. And I don't think the message in that video while I think it is the first half is very potent for general election. The rest of that message hurts his general election prospects. And isn't strong enough. For what his what hit what the base he's trying to reach out to. Wants to see it's Jack of all trades master of none. Absolutely, okay. He won't be able to do both of these things at the same time. Joe Biden's paths to the presidency is to win the democratic nomination by saying I ne- adult the room I'm gonna run against Donald Trump right now, you guys can go over here. And have your intersection -ality Olympics on your own time. And largely ignore all of that. Even when they come at him in debates, just largely ignore it. Because this to the two things job. I if I running against Joe Biden, the democratic primary and this goes for everybody other than Bernie Sanders. He's doing his own thing over here. Similar to Trump in the last cycle. He has a base that largely exist outside of the typical democratic voter electric. But. If I were running against Joe Biden, I would just run on a simple message. He was Brock Obama's under study for eight years and Brock Obama has an endorsed him. Why should you? Now, the obvious follow up to that is what happens when when if Obama endorses them, we got nothing to lose. Anyway. Because if Obama endorses it's over it's over for every candidate in this field except for Bernie Sanders over overnight C Muslim play the advantage while you have it. You know what I'm saying? Don't don't, you know, don't worry about a disadvantage, you may have later that you cannot control that is that is more a mortal wound if it happens anyway, all these candidates, but Bernie Sanders are done and three three seconds. After if in win Obama endorses Biden, do we agree on that? Yes. I think that's pretty close to then. Then then you might as well play the the why hasn't Obama endorsed him card now. That's what I would do. That. That's that's the only message. I would go with is. I don't if Obama won't even door some why should you? And I just stick with that. Because if in winnow palm dozen dourson, you won't be able to beat him. Anyway, unless you're Bernie Sanders at that point. But I don't think Obama is going to endorse. Not for a while. Now for a what not until not until or unless it gets down to him. And Bernie Sanders, then I do think you'll see Obama endorse. But I don't think you're gonna see Obama come over the top rope over all these other minority candidates. I don't think that at all. He's he he can't get unity in his own world about which of these minority candidates. They all like the most. So he's gonna he's gonna let Joe he's gonna make Joe Biden do the initial groundwork. And Joe Biden's deputy campaign manager saying today that he asked Obama not to endorse him. Yeah. I I I asked a coal Kidman not to ask me out too. Because I just I didn't wanna make it easy for myself. I mean, that's a stupid. No one believes that no one no sentient life form on any class m planet believes Joe Biden called Brock Obama up and said, hey, can you just kinda sit this one out? Stephen fairness to Joe by Nyack you to hold off on paying me. You know, a pretty regularly. Right. Exactly. So what you see with with with Biden's announcement video is exactly why I believe he would be the by far the sternest test for Donald Trump in a general election because he understands in America that most of us do wanna live together, despite our political differences. Most of us are not in the two percent of the of the Twitter Overton window that is trying to force. You know, the remaking of the movie reds on the American people. Most of us aren't in regardless of how we vote most of us don't wanna live in that place. It's the conversation you and I had yesterday on the on the immigration issue. If you just sit outside a WalMart and target and just asked everyday Americans didn't even ask them. They registered vote with the road stray cards were and said, hey, would you pay ten to fifteen percent more for your Bill in that store their in the big box store there? So that we'd. Have fewer human traffickers and wages would actually go up with less competition from from cheap migrant labor. Most of them. We think would say what I'll take that deal. Right. Without even knowing how they would vote most of them, we think would take that deal. Most of America doesn't want to participate in what most of the media on either side talks about on a daily basis. The first part of Biden's announcement video gets it. And that's the America that most Americans want to go back to the problem is Biden, Biden attempts and very clumsily to reach out to the part of his party that does want to take us to an existential cliff, and I think is only path to winning the primary is to dunk on them to sister soldier them and ignore them from the very beginning. I would flat out say if I were and say, I agree with you. I would also say I would say I would not going to run for president. I'm running for one reason in his name is Donald Trump. I think it just make that monogram. No, that's what I would do if I were him hall about Trump obviously wants to be called out because of look how he's tweeting right now. I do see I don't think you can go there now because you can't be Hillary Clinton and have three announcements like each cycle. This was his opening four Ray who had plenty of time to think about it. And he's made the decision that he's got to play this game. And I think he's going to lose that game. The only way for him to win the game tonight is not to play that. I think there are a whole lot of Oaters that that that want a unity message and don't really even give a rip about policy they just want. They just want the the juvenile delinquency to end any kind of taps into that. But the problem is one of the major sources of the juvenile delinquency is in his own party. And he doesn't seem like he's able to come over. The top of that. And that's why I think he I think you'll be Jeb Bush twenty twenty as a man out of time. Let's leave it there for now. 'cause I even think I even think the Charlottesville event that he chose was even a week event to even shoes. You know? And then it go way extreme that's the most the guys almost eighty. He's you know, he's lived through multiple wars, the civil rights movement nine eleven to say that was like the worst thing he's ever seen in his life. That's again, that's an over-compensation. He's he's too aware of his weaknesses and he's overcompensating for them. So if you're a man in any form of leadership that's watching me right now or you're just trying to get the girl. Stop overcompensating for your weaknesses. All right. Stop with the comb overs. Okay. Accentuate your strengths I play to your strength frame the debate and the conversation in a way that gives you the best chance to win not the lowest chance to lose. All right. And the way I see it is he's too afraid of that base to dunk on them. He doesn't believe we consider soldier them. He can't do to them. With Bill Clinton did a quarter of a century ago. They've grown too strong. And so I think he's gonna try to straddle the fence and Confucius say man who straddle fence for too long, eventually gets nether regions caught in it. And I think that's what you're gonna see happen to him. And if you're Bernie Sanders, you love that you love seeing Joe Biden, go decide I got to play in the shallow pool. You love seeing that you're going to be over here building your little base that won't leave. You. You can't go much higher than that. But you can't get any lower and you'll love watching those other candidates over here in the kiddy pool. All splashing each other and calling each other every name in the book at the exact same time. That's exactly what you want to say. It's estimated about fifty million people will miss work at some point during this year, due to chronic pain American spent about two thousand dollars a year to combat chronic pain, two-thirds of us in a recent survey said we're gonna have to live with chronic pain. We've just you know, decided to accept it. What if you had though another option here at the blaze, we've had several of our folks have incredible results with a product called relief factor. It's one hundred percent drugfree created, by physicians. It's got four key ingredients that each help your body to win the fight against inflammation. 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I want a Watkin change with the debate process. Because how are they gonna get all these candidates on a stage whom are they going to determine gets on the stage. How will they interact with each other once they're there? Okay. Now, you know, what I say the trend is your friend until human, you know, until the human component Trump's the trend. And so when we put a bunch of those humans on the stage together that could change our analysis. So that's the caveat. More. The allergy Thursday, in fact is next year on the blaze next. Stay tuned. Our friends at home, title, ach, alerted this to a really sad story out of Portland, Oregon, online thieves. They're both here and abroad found a couple's home, title expose on a website. They forged documents to look like they were the new owners. They borrowed thousands of dollars against the properties equity. The couple didn't find out until the late notice payments. 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Strope reasons for sorry. I knew I was gonna get it rolling college. Because you know, what I've been so focused on you guys video series. I actually forgot what the ministry associate with the video series is all right, but this video series. I've watched about a half dozen of these and they are really good. And what I love about him is they have the right premise, but they're delivered in a pithy manner. You guys came out with a new one that's kind of Easter themed. And I want to show this to our audience take a look. People say that there's no evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. All I'm going to do here is provide one line of evidence. It's unfortunate. But I just don't have the time to mention something. Like, the half dozen facts developed by resurrection expert, Gary Habermas, for instance, minimal facts that even skeptics atheist and liberal scholars agree on these factors follows one Jesus die by crucifixion to that very soon afterwards his followers had real experiences that they thought were actual appearances of the risen Jesus. Three that their lives were transformed as a result, even to the point of being willing to die specifically for their faith in the resurrection. Message for that. These things were taught very early soon after the crucifixion five James Jesus unbelieving brother became a Christian due to his own experience that he thought was the resurrected Christ and six that the Christian persecutor, Paul formerly Saul of Tarsus, also became a believer. After a similar experience. Man. I wish I had the time to mention those. But I just don't know time. Good, sir. No time, no time at all. I just don't have time to bring up what former? Atheist law Trine journalists Lee Strobel said when he said, I figured it would be easy to disprove the resurrection. Give me a weekend, and I can shred Christianity central claim. Well, it wasn't that easy. After investigating the Stoorikhel evidence. Mr. struggle believed in the resurrection of Jesus washed, the movie read the books bummer. I could mention that to you ain't got time for this quote either. My job is to infer what is most reasonable from the list of evidences said cold case detective j Warner Wallace after digging into the evidence, I was convinced that what the bible claims about the death burial. And resurrection of Jesus is the best explanation. The only weakness in the case. And there are always weaknesses was my own bias against resurrections now since I don't have time to Minson such things. Let me just get right to my point. Okay. My one and only line of evidence has to do with the appearances of Jesus after his death. This is recorded in early creed cited by the affirmation Polly apostle, which we find in his letter to the Corinthians. Search for I delivered to you as a first importance what I also received that Christ died for our sins at accordance with the scriptures that he was buried. He was raised on the third day accordance with the scriptures. And that he appeared to see this then to the twelve then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time. Then he appeared to James them to all the apostles. And last of all he appeared also to me. Okay. There's a lot of people who saw Jesus after he was crucified and buried, and this is exactly why Paula so competent to stand in front of Festus king Kripa and tell them the truth. It's an ax twenty five and twenty six. Here's a snippet pulses. I stand here testifying say nothing, but with the prophets and moose said would come to pass that the Christ must suffer in that by being the first to rise from the dead. He were proclaimed light both to our people into the gentiles Festus said with a loud voice poll, yet, create learning thriving out of your mind. Not sure if that was his actual accent. But Paul said, I am not out of my mind, most excellent Festus. I am speaking true. In rational words for the king knows about these things. None of these things has escaped his notice for this has not been done in a corner. In other words, all this was fall. Safai -able. Everyone around town was talking about Jesus's resurrection. People had seen in the tomb was impact. The stone was rolled away. The guards were perplexed. The religious leaders were mystified tried to create a lie about what happened to the body. Paul who is persecuting Christians earlier was now one of them preaching the resurrection of Christ. None of this was hidden. It was all out in the open. So my collecting evidence eager evangelist each ecstatically expecting an extraordinary ending. I leave the with this from Clive. Staples lewis. This is the story. What are we to make of Christ? There is no question of what we can make him is entirely. A question of what he intends to make us. You must accept or reject the story. But what you can't do is glibly claim or irresponsible assert that. There is no evidence for the resurrection of Jesus because that my friends as been debunked. I think those are excellent all of them are done that that I've seen that seven. I think seven of them. I think I've watched now they are all done with that kind of production value. I love the the the snarky nece. I think that's an effective communication to. I love how you kept saying that video bummer. It's I wish I had more time to mention all these extra biblical sources. But I don't then you head and mentioned them. Okay. So that's your voice in the video Carl. I really think this is some of the finest apologetic work in terms of what could potentially reach this generation that I've been exposed to. So I wanted to give our audience a chance to to watch it as well your blessing. I have to make one correction, though, is not my voice. It's really it is not my voice. Sure, what that was for you in that crazy. It's it's my best friend. We met through a long story so won't share with you. But we met each other. And I went out to California, and I had him come up. It's a crazy story how we met and he sat through a level of mytalk audience. Listen to this voice. And tell me you didn't think that was the same. He's talking. Go ahead. Well, he set the level of the talks that we dreamed and this was nine years ago. We started making these things nine years ago, or like how do we go out there and just a dress issues in a fun way? But really we wanna push buttons. We wanna make people think, you know, and we came up with these things, and he's professional voice, actor and Manny killed it. I mean, he just absolutely killed it. But but Steve before we go any further, you really told Nicole Kidman not that. They. That would be dude foul. Well, if I were single that would actually be capital punishment, dude code. But no, I was I was that was my my own snarky reply to the notion that Joe Biden's campaign manager claimed that he called Obama said, no, I don't want the world's most popular democratic living politician to endorse me in a competitive democratic primary. I I wanna earn my way I love it. Those little jibs men. I mean, I think it just gets people's attention and causes them to think which ultimately is my goal when you look at this next generation, and you know, what when I when I when I do on a show like this, and our show is even different than a lot of the other conservative media shows, although we're seeing more open theological references and discussions in a lot of conservative media now that in the past thought I was weird for doing it. Yeah. But I think a lot of us in our industry are beginning to see that we are asking a culture to conserve virtues and values and principles that they don't accept the source from Wednesday came I agree. And so they're we're gonna have a hard time. Damming the river down the stream, right? Then you you nailed it. That's actually what it was preaching today is like look we want to impose Christian morality on a history. We've got a generation that they spend nine hundred dollars year in a school in eighty eighty five percent of the Christian homes, go to government schools that teach them the history that undermines the word of God that's reinforced with. Thousand sixty four hours of TV which under underlying undermines or two God, reinforced with nine hundred thirty six hours of video games and all of those histories at they're being taught in those areas undermine God's word. And then we try to come in and give little bible stories. It's not gonna work. You can't have Christian morality without the Christian history. If you take the Christian history out of the picture, it becomes what's your opinion, your opinion your opinion? Welcome to America two thousand nineteen give us your background. Got you into to going to the frontlines of talking to casper. Young people. I know all my goodness. It's a scary thing. Look, I tell everybody don't expect deep theological wise debunked the way that it is. Because I grew up around guys with one name crusher bruiser Muller Sasser. My dad was a professional wrestler. So I literally go up around dad. The Kentucky big boy Brown, Nick, Luke Brown. And just kind of depending on what region he was wrestling and at the time so that was before Vince McMahon consolidated all the regions Russell, Vince, dad in Madison Square Garden, so yeah, it was before that I used to love pro wrestling Carl. But I thought it was real. It is real people. Did this is scripted? It is real. I mean, they're real actions. Have until everybody. The injuries are real my dad when he finally got out of the businesses shoulder was destroyed. He lost his kidneys spleen. He lost. His body was destroyed the injuries are real. But the endings were predetermined. So that's kind of. So you have a bit of a brawler background. You don't you don't mind provocation. You don't mind confrontation. You know, the right kind of groceries and natural habitat for that. Right, right reasons. Man. I again when you when you grow up in that environment. Yeah. You kind of see that stuff. But when I became I I didn't become a Christian till I was twenty six raised around the church. I knew into stand up sit down. Neil. I knew in the offering plate was coming. I call it. You know, Catholic light without the guilt that was raised Lutheran. And and and I just, but I didn't know God. And I didn't understand the bible at all. I didn't trust it at all. Once I got saved and challenged me to really look at these things and understand why I believe what I said, I believe that's where the real growth came and the transition to debunk, really. Credit to because of my relationship with Bob the co creator of debunked. He's got that same attitude as me and gave me freedom to hey, we can have fun with this as a Christian. We can have fun. We can challenge people to think and that'd be disrespectful or me. I don't think we're that. I think we just want to challenge. People to think, what do you think is you've done this all over the world. How many countries eventually to go to all my goodness over? Over fifteen twenty K. What when I see things like, you know, there's there's a video I shared on my Twitter account today. A girls high school track mate and two boys? I believe have mental illness on gender dis fauria is a mental illness. Okay. Shouldn't be encouraged. It should be treated. Okay. And so two boys are seen in this video who want to identify girls. They're just dusting these girls in this. They're just made with more muscle fibers things of that nature. These girls can't compete they destroy them. Yes. And I see this video. And and when this topic is come up on our show in the past. I've brought this up that I where I cannot believe the dads are all just sitting there while their daughters are getting smeared like this. I just I I'm I'm flabbergasted like, I would have expected the opposite would happen. We'd have to go to the guys and say, hey, you understand you can't be vigilante out there. But but now they're like so dough silo there's like no pushback on any level. We when when when we had the story about Matt Lauer NBC news, literally turned his office into a rape dungeon, the lack of a better description. I and I said this at the time on our show. No janitor. No, no, nobody saw woman crying out of his office and said hell, no, I'm not gonna put up someone's going to do something about that. And I've described that as like death of the west kind of stuff having been all over the world. Do you see the spiritual temperature globally is down? Or are we dying in the west compared to what you see across the globe. That's a really good question. And I honestly think that we are dying in the west because when we get like, my buddy, one one bell does our other speaker don't laugh it's as real name, and he doesn't do coffee at one is down in Columbia three times already this year, Dominican Republic Costa Rica, it's exploding. Steve I mean exploding eighteen hundred kids he just poked a youth conference St. as in Columbia eighteen hundred kids came and they're hungry. They're begging for answers. I see us. We're suffering. The consequence of rejecting the truth of God's word and turn it ourselves over to the world. We were suffering. This where I see in other countries Africa. I've been in Africa seven hundred passers thirty six hours on the bus one way. Thirty six passers went one way to hundred thirty patches of that seven hundred they were one way on a bus thirty six hours. They got there. They got late. We got there. We started the meeting thirty forty five minutes after they got there. And I said guys you're gonna go to sleep on me. What do you mean? Well, we you've been on a bus for thirty six hours one way. No air conditioning. You're gonna go to sleep you're tired. And this guy looked me dead in the eye, and he said, we're hungry, and when you're hungry, you know, sleep fetus, I see this as an American problem to be relaunched with you. Is it are we to you know, you mentioned Africa? And when when the episcopal, Ian church was really the first major Protestant denomination the nineties to tank here in in in America. It was the the conservatives the traditionalist there they tried to import clergy from Africa, which if you know American history, you know, a lot the Piscopo church is a strong tide of the founding of the country. So the there's a great irony here in that some of those Episcopalians likely owned slaves. Yeah. A few hundred years ago. And now a few hundred years later, they've got to go to Africa to go. Get non white faces to help them save their denomination from from where it's going, and you know, if you're growing up if you're growing up in that part of the world, you don't have the luxury of being tempted by the things. And the philosophies that were tempted by societies pretty based truth and truth and airs pretty basic to you, you're living in survive or not world on a daily basis. Right. Are we just too comfortable? I absolutely think that's a part of the problem. And we've lost that. Are you going excited about avengers endgame coming out as I am, dude? I'm in trouble to do that. Me. I was making a joke. Anyway, I'm supposed to speak seventy nine tonight. And I'm hoping there's like an eleven o'clock showing. But I'm not gonna say that on the air because I don't want people to think badly. Comfortable. We are we quite honestly are. But another piece Steve is that we've lost a backbone to stand up because we don't want people to call us names. And you know, all your fundamentalists euro idiot, you're whatever and I'm like, man true. Love is not going to patch. You in the back until you that you're okay. When you're doing something that's going to have eternal consequences, which I believe with all my heart. True. Love will patch on the back and say, I love you enough to tell you truth, and there's consequences to your actions. And we've lost what truth is, and by the way, Steve those videos, one of the other ones that we just did was on truth, and I see your book truth bombs. I'm like man, we need this. If folks want to see those videos, all they'd have to do is text five one five five five right in truth bombs to five one five five, and you're going to get all eleven we've got eleven of the debunk videos now. But guys, we need to know that truth is if you don't have a definition for truth, then well, it becomes what you think. You think we think we all think and we'll vote on it? And we're in trouble text, keyword, truth bombs to five. One five if you wanna watch more of those videos share them with your young people that's the exact kind of messaging the exact kind of production value that is necessary and you can sit around and whine and complain. I bet the Caro Kirby's of the twelfth century thought on not gonna write thoughts down. We this orally at my day. Well, it's not your day different day. I mean, you're watching this on the internet and listening to us on a podcast. We don't wanna hear about you. Don't want to evolve to the new technology. All right. So that's where you reach the next generation if you want to reach them where they're at Carlton extra coming in man. Oh, you guys do great work. All right stew. That's such such an occurrence. I mean, thank you. Well, you guys have earned it. We don't just give away platitudes these videos. They blew me away. When I watched them, and I I know our audience well enough to know when they saw the production value on what we showed them earlier that they were similarly impress. God bless your brother. Hey, speaking of truth bombs. We recently talked about the topic. Of the next generation deciding to embrace socialism where did that come from? Well, it came from their parents and grandparents who after defeating socialism over there. Unfortunately, decided to adopt some of its tenants over here and passed it on to their children. And that's where new report from our friends at swissamerica comes in. 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We did any amount of money spent on Mike wittiest is too much money. It's good to see my old friend. How are the love is just is there a Kleenex anywhere? The more things change while the more. They stay the same. Right. What you've been up to man working. Living you work in up. Just you know, just trying to keep my head above water. So for those of you that are new our show. I mean, I got stuck with Mike Woody as a condition for employment with a sports talk radio station that was operated by the Iowa cubs. What that's almost twenty years ago now two thousand and two right? Eighteen years or nineteen years ago seventeen years ago, a long time ago, and my one condition that they put on me for they they they gave me to the other was that. I couldn't talk anything that they're liberal politics didn't agree with. But I totally disagree say you ignored that what height nor that one and decided because I was going to ignore one. I better be really adamant about keeping the second one which was a had to agree to take you on. And then lo and behold, though, I actually enjoyed doing this. Now, your viewers know that this is all a lie. Right. That actually those conditions of my point. They they were not going to not hire you if you didn't keep me. Well, I recommend the Yuki. I thought you were the far less laborious request. I could honor. In fact, I ended up just kind of taking with me when I got new jobs which tended to happen frequently and and and this is always been one of the more popular segments. We do. And I think a lot of it is because it's it gives us a respite in a break from a lot of the other stuff. Our show requires us and the news of the day requires us to talk about and so you you're kind of semi retired. Now, we bring you come back about quarterly, right and him, not semi-retired K your full retired now, and you kinda come in, you know, couple times a year. Right. So you holiday movie season fall movie season and then summer movie season right before we get to your summer movie picks. Can I ask a question about a movie that's already been released? Wooded? Sure. What did you think of Jordan peels us? Now, I'm the one person that didn't like his first movie k yeah. I remember why you didn't like I founded offense. Yeah. That's why. And. So I wonder audience the only man in Iowa who caucus for John casick found the previous film offensive. Yes. The sticker is still on the back of the car comply. I'm hopeful that things could still change. As far as the new movie us. You know, what I I liked it better than I liked his first one. I thought it had a very interesting premise, I'm not really sure at the end of the movie if I know what happened. I thought the movie was total trash well, go into sugarcoat Italy. I thought it was total trash, and when I when I looked at the the plot line and the way that it was devised. And given his current project is is reinvigorating the twilight zone, right? And and and I'm not a subscriber to CBS all access. So I haven't watched buddy is. Seven people have watched it. If you subscribe to see all access eight nine hundred thirty three Ninety-three, just let us know you're there. But the first episode the pilot they put on YouTube for free, and I watched. Okay. Yeah. And it's really well done and Tracy Morgan essentially plays the devil. And it's a retelling of the devil and Daniel Webster essentially with. But it's with a with a stand up comedian. And it's a stand up comedian who can't believe that. He can't find an audience for his his entire routine as an anti-trump anti-gun screed and every and every time he goes up there to give his his routine the audience assist there and looks at him. All right. No one wants to hear it. And so he has to go to essentially the devil played by Tracy Morgan who tells them, you know, f- politics? People are tired of hearing that you know, actually, do something funny. Okay. It sounds up. So when I pieced all these things together, and you know, I'm always trying to figure out. All yes, how coordinate I when the previous movie that peel made a bunch of white progressives gave him an award for making a movie that attacked them. Yes. Thank you for telling us bunch of hypocrites. Yeah. Don't really care about black people were all actually secretly racist. And we're using you to get what we want out of life. Right. We just want your body's. Yes. Yes. And they gave him a war. It's said thank you for crushing us. All right. Then I'm watching the new twilight zone in the very first episode is an immigrant comedian who the devil tells him. You're no one cares about your politics. It's not funny. Okay. No, one cares about your anti-trump politics. It's. Funny. No one wants to watch. And then there's this movie that literally has dead is about I don't know what it's about. I seriously wonder if the movie's a troll, and if and if peel is like dude, these white reviewers wanna like a black film director, so bad. We will literally just put hot trash on the screen. It's it's black on black. It's d'appel ganger. It has got seventeen things going on at once. And none of them ever converge in a one story, and we're just gonna put it all up there, and you watch this thing's going to be like ninety five percent on rotten tomatoes. See I wonder if they did this on purpose? I was hoping you were going to explain this film to me because we've got hands across America. What it is. I have no idea what's going on. I did enjoy it. All right. I hate thought it was woman. I thought it was hot trash, so we're off this segment is that's the same as it's always been all these years, you're wrong. And I'm right, or maybe you know, I like your plan. But it sucks. Let's go with mine. Right. Yeah. All right. So the summer. Season. I mentioned this earlier it is beginning earlier and earlier. It used to be Memorial Day weekend was the kickoff. Right. And then except when the Star Wars film would come out every three years, and then it would be that second weekend in may. And then the same Ramey. Spiderman movies started coming out that first weekend in may. And that's when marvel started when they started their cinematic universe. That's when they started releasing their movies as well. And now it's the last weekend in April with the summer movie season, which begins of course, with the movie that opens tonight that is going to be the biggest, and I think when we adjusted for inflation. It will be the biggest box office moving. I don't like I don't care about today's dollars. What you make? I was look at the adjusted for inflation numbers. I think you're looking at a movie that when adjusted for inflation is it could very well end up being the number one movie of all time. It opens tonight. Let's take a look. Thousand years ago. Fought cave came man. Up to you. Surprises. But really hoping to pull off one last one. The wildest. None of. We do his best. Sometimes the best we can do. Holy people die. Killing everybody. They shouldn't. Some. Amount us. Even if there's a small chance we owe this. Everyone is not in this to try. We will. Whatever it takes. Six. Takes. Whatever it takes. Anyway, anyway. This movie sucks. Anyway. Not a chance. I mean, you look at the track record of the Russo's. They did captain America winter soldier great moving which I think is one of the best comic book movies ever made. I I might in terms of you know, what's been made in in this era post, you know, two thousand I probably rank at number two behind the dark Knight. I think it's I think it is a exceedingly well-done film now under woman, I love wonder woman. I would rank winter soldier ahead of it in terms of the quality of the film making they did civil war. And then they did I just watched Infinity war again over the weekend just in preparation, get myself ready. And I I still can't I just as a guy, and I'm not anywhere close to their level. But I, you know, as a guy that I tell stories and stuff like that. I do it for a living the ability to merge, all of these characters all of these storylines together. And how none of it seems contrived. And none of it seems laborious. I every time I watch this film. I am just amazed at how they pulled this off. And so with all that being said. Is it possible? Todd. You're the you're the biggest cynic when it comes to the fan. Boy here on the stage. Is it is there any possibility this movie sucks? I don't I don't think. So. Wow. I heard a review on the way here while I was driving around the war. If you give any spoilt on to throw punch, you know, they didn't give away any spoilers. But the guy said he enjoyed it. And he said I I'm not a big fan of the series. But it's really well done. John campy at we'll used to be AMC theaters nationwide. He has his own like big movie podcast now that has a huge YouTube audience, and he's a big fan boy. And I I watched his spoiler free review. And he said that I mean, he he stayed in there. It's three hours stayed in there, another thirty forty five minutes if they asked him to three he said so was returned the king. We didn't complain about that. I mean, you did those that are new every movie is too long for Mike Winnie every movie, but he did say that the first two hours are clearly. A build up to the final hour, and they just wanted to see how they do it. And the final hour. He said is it's one of the it'll it'll go down and send my history is one of the greatest hours of motion in the history of movies in terms of clearly captain marvel she's gonna come in and somehow fix this. Well, all of us trailers and everything we've seen the the now they could be lying, but they're claiming that everything we've seen is all been from the first ten minutes of the movie, we have we've not seen any footage at all. And they're also claiming that stuff you've seen in trailers isn't even in the movies. They they've just they're completely throwing. Right. Erin as millennial. Is there any way that this movie sucks better not getting out of my apartment tonight to go? See this. I hope you have America understands guys. What that means? Let me say that once more slower I am getting out of my apartment tonight to go see this. So it better be good. And then there's some would that needs sanded right now. And he's going to leave that behind to go see this movie. So there you go. All right. Anything else on this before we move onto the next? I I'm anxious to see it. I'm not anxious to spend three hours with it. But you know, I'll maybe it'll surprise me. And all enjoy those three hours. I I'm anxious to spend three hours there. I mean tonight. Godfather, by the way, was three hours. Yeah. Yeah. I don't care. How long the year? I care. How good it is. Don't you act? Like just be good. If you good at ninety minutes. Great. If you're good at three hours. Great. I watched the extended versions of all of the original Lord of the rings every year, and they never feel to me. Like, I I don't wanna leave that world when it ends at such good storytelling this next film. We screen this trailer you screened, Aaron it's okay. All right. It is a trailer the first two I have. That's why asking this. All right. The second one healers. Great. The second one is like a symphony of violence. Yes. Okay. But I wanted to make sure it was. Okay. You're you're okay. With this air. You're putting me on the spot here. Man, come on. Now gonna work your next week. All right. If you don't want to watch it, I I just wanna to make sure that it's okay to be seen. That's all. There's guns lots of guns. I don't think there's anything in the trailer. That's bad. All right. We'll give it a shock. Is. We always eat jacked. Right. Okay. So I may be working at Mike what he's office. That's it. Can't good. Wow. All right. Yeah. That's John wick chapter three and this is an entire student. A revenge tale about a guy because they killed his dog. Right. Right. That whole thing. That's what it's about that. He has a history. Yes. He's retired as a professional hitman. He retires any wants to live a life, and you know, just his own private Idaho with him and his dog and his new white and his wife, right? Yeah. Okay. And then the wife the was the first movie where the wife was killed. And then the dog was killed in the second one. Was it? The whole thing is about the dog. I can't remember. I think the whole thing's about the dog things about the dog. All right. This trailer. Does have a great line in it because it hearkens back to when the signature lines of the original matrix film when he is asked in the trailer. What do you get a need? And he says we need guns. Lots and lots of guns can only raises money line in the the original. Trix? So why are you looking for to this? Now, obviously this is not a series for everyone. No, one onto the age of of of eighteen for sure maybe twenty maybe thirty it is this is Democrats may seek to raise the voting age after after witnessing this film. Yeah, I am not a big Keanu Reeves fi fan. I am not a fan of a ton of violence. But somehow the filmmakers have done such a good job in putting this all together, and Keno dozen nice job that I just think this series is Bryant and guys seen these. I haven't yet. But I should basically really violent. Did you see any of these air? No, the first one is. I thought was just okay. So I was surprised it merited getting a sequel the second one is exceedingly Welton. I mean, it's it's really well done as a film and what I found fascinating by it. I thought the first one was essentially just a in. Oh, my violence, which you know, I'm I'm okay with violence if it has a purpose right now. They killed his dog. Yeah. And but I thought maybe took a little too far a dog guy. But the second one really gets into his attempt to morally navigate a Listrik world. And I was fascinated by his attempt to try and engage this world without fully succumbing to it at the exact same time. That's what I thought was was very interesting about the way they did that and the supporting cast the characters orange Fishburne's in that film that guy I can't remember his name the who's the keeper of the of like the hit man's union. What's his I can't remember? He's been tons of stuff. You would recognize his name and his voice. But he does a great job at as. Well. Yeah. I mean, the the second, and it's a pretty film to watch. I mean, the absolutely it's shot beautifully. And there's not a lot of vile. I mean, there's not a lot of blood. No, I it's been very violent. Right. Yeah. There's a high body count. All right. This third film. I think is good. Make is is poised to make the biggest mistake of any movie in two thousand nine. Okay. All right. So I I've seen this trailer. This one's okay to watch. Right. I believe what trailer is not okay to watch. By the way, I was really concerned about John wick, but I I think this one's okay. I've seen this one. In my head. It was all their tool notes much that to get out at Salih. It'll fun. And. What did you say name was again what I'm is? Reginald Dwight note. That's my Granddad saying. That is a fat boy from nowhere. Get to be a Solman. Gotta kill the person you were born to be in order to become the person you want to be. Changing my name to Elson. Yeah. Could be the best selling artist of. Xiaomi flashy. Can you even play the piano in those? You. All right. So can we show which you can don't kill yourself trucks. That's a great advice. That's like errands. Don't try to ditch. Yes. I think this films made a colossal mistake. And you guess what? I'm gonna say it's mistaken because I'm a huge Elton John fan. I had no idea. Well, this is you know, we can on the east trends, right? We had designed be trend and the Pakalitha trend. We have a comic book the comic book thing has become a trend. Now, it's its own industry his own genre. It's on the bull he-man rhapsody. Well, you had the there's a movie Netflix. I've not seen. That's a motley Crue story. Okay. So we're getting all these banned and and rock legend story movies. Now that's going to be the trend line that Ron now she had bohemian rhapsody, which I thought was one of the best films. I saw last year. And what I thought was is that this film did two things I thought bohemian rhapsody two things right one. I was stunned at the honest portrayal of his sexuality. And that's when I read about it. That's actually why I went to see it because I without being overtly. I thought I thought this was going to be a propaganda film. Wasn't that way? At all. They showed that he paid a price for the sexuality that he pursued that he lived that. He never had the family that children and everything he wanted. He never got over that. They were they were brutally honest about it in a way that if someone like me tried to make that movie until that story, it would never get made. All right. So I I was impressed that they told the truth number one. And number two Remmy. Malik is perfect has all the mannerisms and everything down. But he doesn't sing. That's, freddie. Mercury. Singing, all right and Taryn Edgerton. I think is who's playing Elton John here. Right. Okay. When I mean, the the scene where they're in the studio doing don't go breaking my heart. If you've watched that video from the seventies. He's got the mannerisms nailed his sees terrible. Terrible. And it's going to me it makes the movie on watchable because the music is is the point of the is why you know, who, you know, Reggie Reginald. Dwight is or Elton John is, but I don't. Hear John's voice there and his singing voice as the great profit. Larry Holmes once said, he couldn't hold a jockstrap to Elton John. They should have dubbed Elton John's voice in like they did with Bahamian rhapsody. I don't want Tarangire and doing Elton, John karaoke. But thank you. And it ruins it for me. See and I'm looking forward to this making up for the mistakes of bohemian rhapsody, which was they didn't tell us enough of the story. They just kind of glossed over everything. I wanted to know more. It was excellent. But it could have been so much better. If they had told the story a little more little deeper. Yeah. I've been to multiple Elton John concerts, both alone and with Billy, Joel. But I really you went with Billy Joel or Elton was with Billy Joel Billy when they were together. I have I have no interest in releasing this movie. I his backstory, I know enough of it. I don't think there's much to tell them you. You have interesting point about him. Not seeing I don't think he didn't strike me as terrible there. But he's clearly not Elton John. So that's distracting, but he is. Why? If I walked into karaoke bar, and and tearing Edgerton was belting out of tune what I turn right around and say, hey, it's freak show night. No. But it's it's it's it's Elton John the standard. He's trying to measure up to it. It's an impossible situation can pull this off in the Johnny cash movie where who played them. Cenex. Yeah. Johnny cash doesn't have a great voice. It's unique. But it's not great. And I thought that movie total wine rate didn't need Johnny casting. I think it's from singer to singer, and perhaps listener to listener where it matters, the, you know, the first album I ever knew all the words to the songs was Elton John's greatest hits volume one. I was literally raised on that album as a kid Hugh are your song is track. One Daniela's track too. I think honky cat is numbers is track. Three. I mean. I can't abide that that's he can't do it Justice. And he's I'm sure he's a fine actor, although he's been in a recent spate of bombs. He's got the mannerisms down. But the voice thing. It's it's an it's a no for me is an instant. No for me. Is it possible? The chew will go into the theater with an open mind and think maybe it'll be okay. No, okay. No, don't go. That's that's that's known him. Mike why we should most of the audience you should've stopped at possible. You'll go in with an open mind, right? That's true. You should've known to ask that question. But I mean, no, there's a distinct sound here. That's the reason he's getting honored with his own bio pic, jitney, mail, login ID, and it's not the sound. I can't believe you guys aren't distracted by this on any level at all. You know, it I might not out and John s going to say I haven't seen it yet. So I'll I'll let you know after I see it. And I I to me that they wouldn't use Elton John's voice. But I I'm not that interested anyways, I like Elton John I'm not like huge fan. I like is. I like. I'm an Elton John fan. Like, I'm a Beatles fan. I don't like these types of pictures, though. I'd rather watch documentary on his life than on somewhat liberalized version of that too story. I mean, there's there's been great documentaries done on the Beatles in the past. For example, there's one that Malcolm McDowell narrates about twenty thirty years ago. That's really well done. For example. Could we give the movie credit for not being a comic book movie, not being a sequel? I mean sure every single movie with a handful of exceptions this summer is either a comic book movie or a sequel. All right. So I this list of films. You wanna talk about Trump rump against a break here in a couple of minutes. I was fine. With your list is one of them not hurt of there's a glaring omission on your list, though. Of course, there is how is the God Zillah moving on your list because it's God's element. That is one. I think it's I think it's got one the idea of bringing in all of the of the monsters. Are you kidding me? You're not you're not the least interested in at least with Mike a little bit. And they how is God Zillah at this to this point not been done. Well, it's been done badly. So many times skeptical. Okay. I'd like it to be great because we've been great fun. But I'm scared. I mentioned that all the other monsters are in this. Yeah. You did how if they're all giant monsters fighting. How's that? How's that going to pot? Did you see Peter Jackson's King Kong because that sucked? But there wasn't a lot of giant monsters fighting. There was three hours of standing on deck and talking if it was ninety minutes of King Kong giant monsters that would have been clue who are the jam do. Get mothra authors in the flaw throw. Yeah. Yeah. That's the only monster. I know. So yeah. I mean, I I kind of love the setup to with God Zillah as we're essentially godzillas, basically, the green lantern of this earth, basically got to protect us from these other invaders. I like that setup speaking bad movies. Glenn Beck and his friends started a new company years ago called real estate agents I trust. And the reason they did it is because they kept running into real estate agents. We talked a good game. But then couldn't deliver the results they promised when needed the most. If you're looking for a real estate agent and it is prime buying and shopping season. If you're looking for a real estate agent looking for three things in a good agent. Somebody who understands this is a complicated process. They have a track record of successfully navigating that's one number to someone who understands market value is more than an algorithm those can help. 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And it's it's weird for me to ask that about a comic book film, but we've already had an X men movie about the dark Phoenix. Okay. That was the last of the original series that they did you've got the sale now, or this is all going to be rebooted in and kicked curb anyway with Disney acquiring all of this. I just I don't I don't understand the point of the movie. Yes, you do I well other than money. Okay. What do you mean of? But hold on. I think to make money the movie needs to have a point. All right. So like, I actually think the the the reboot they've done here, and you know, a huge James McEvoy fan. I think the re- the reboot they've done. Here has been really good. I think days of future past would be in my list of top ten modern comic book films. I think it's excellent. How they did that film how they weaved all those timetables time periods in together, I think X men days a future past is the best in the series. You know, I I don't like the X men have never been an expert fan. But I think the trailer looks interesting. Yeah. No. I'm just. To me. I'm kinda surprised Disney didn't step in and say don't make any more of these. Once once the once the sale went into final negotiations after there at the last age. I kinda thought Disney might say, we're rebooting all of this. Anyway, so don't and especially this is one of the iconic stories and comics, it's the most iconic story in the history of the x men series. They ruined it kind of when they did the the third X men film. They did this exact same storyline. So I don't know. I will go see it because I'm a nerd, but I'm the, you know. You've got to get beyond me to be successful. I'm European audience. Right. So I don't know. Are you guys? Are you an X men fan at all? I am. But it's just it's really hard for me to even think back and remember, what's the continuity to all this. I mean, I green days past kind of blew that a lot of that stuff out. And also, I mean, I was even we actually went and watched Logan to get together. That's one of the greatest movie trailers because it was done to Johnny cash hurt. Yup. I've ever seen and I was bored. By the end of the movie, I thought Logan board me at times. Yeah. I was bored at times too. I agree with you. It was a great movie kind of bored me a time. So you X men guy ever seen any of them know greatness inning. I agree. But I also think that's the whole thing this whole series head greatness in it. Hugh Jackman is as great a love is dismissive nece. What can I say? People in our audience right now that are like I'm Aaron right now. Erin speaks for us. All it's just proof of what an amazing job avengers. Did we knew it EDS x-men doesn't have? Yeah doesn't. And I thought I thought apocalypse which. That's. Letdown immense another classic storyline. In a in the x men comics. I thought that was a major let down in. I I would have said how do you blow that movie with Oscar Isaac as the villain? And they did, you know. So this trailer I want to show our audience, and I have a reason why I want this trailer shown, all right? Let's take a look it's men in black international. Bye. The universe has a way of leading. If two way you're supposed to be at the moment just supposed to be their students. Twenty years to find you. People can say that. You are the best kept secret in the universe. And I found. Which makes perfect for this job. He could black suit. It's going to solve all your problems. No. But STAN good on you. We. Recognizeable only stage. And dismissed just this. Trying to prove yourself agent. We may have a problem and. You will be with ancient teach best to weather suit. Catching up my daily meditation time for lunch? Thank you hungry. Tuesday's taco day. Stumping. The. Been compromised every citizen of this planet at risk. All right. So that's the men in black international. Okay. I think that's series reboot. -able why money again fun? We agree. The answer's always money. But there needs to be a point for to make money. We haven't seen it yet. So could have a point. I thought the original series was overrated. I also don't think it was terrible. Agreed. And they look this looks like it's not even a reboot. It just looks like part. How many were three weren't there three? There was three just looks like part four. Then there was the one where they did the that was just that was three a couple years ago. Right. I think they kind of went back into the origin. Right. Josh Brolin as a young Tommy Lee Jones. Right. These two actors Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson who's also in the rocky sequels. They were so great in that Thor ragnarok ry, which by the way would be in my top ten comic book. I love rock. Todd doesn't like it. I think it's I love the I thought it was average. I I don't know. I'm I'm intrigued by this just because of those two people may lack the the ride at universal is one of the lamest rides. That in your apartment off anymore. I don't care about any of this. Five. I thought he was sleeping over there. This is to Mike's point though, about why Elton John people. There's no. Starving for some new creativity. You know, I mean, there's really did this need to be told again. All right. Speaking of new creativity. Yeah. Here's the next movie. We're gonna take a look at. Made a friend in class. No, no. She literally made a new friend. I want you to me. He's a spoil. Guess. Yeah. I know. Four key is the most important toy to Bonnie right now, we all have to make sure nothing happens to him. What he we have a situation. I am not a toy paper soup salad. Maybe chili and then the trash. Permit. Alive. Your Bonnie's toy you are going to help create happy memories that will last for the rest of her life. Come on. My name is Gabby Gabby. We can't stay. Can. What are you doing here? Now. Explain come with me, we need to get back to our kid share. Woody always come into the risk. Pretty go needs kids room when you can have all this. Wow. Are we going to Bonnie? So that's a look at Toy Story four. Okay. So this is really the series that kicked off our modern understanding of of animation took over a decade yet the first one. Yeah. Launched Pixar as a studio, and is a force of nature and pop culture, the the final movies masterpiece perfect ending. I mean perfect as a dad I bawled at the end. That trailer. Does nothing for me. It's. Dead inside me. No. It's Toy Story to it. Looks like Toy Story two all over again. I think they've jumped the shark. I don't think they should've done. I think this is a bad move. See I thought Toy Story two was mediocrity. And then they did three three was great. Which is why I think who knows. I mean, I think there's enough there's enough here where I actually have more hope than in. What we just got. I didn't smile. I didn't laugh I didn't react you have to smell when he saw the sport. I don't know. I mean, I I'm worried I I am to see what happened to Dumbo last month. I haven't had a chance to see that. Is it good? No, not so much. No Beck is raving about it here at the blaze. Well, okay. You will not be invited down to. Hey back there in Dallas. Just keep that last last time we've disagreed, but. That'd be stricken from the record. Let's move onto the next film. Let's move onto the next film. Because if you have not seen this trailer. It's brilliant. Okay. It's like a miracle. Is this is this trailer appropriate? Absolutely. No. I mean, not by your standards. I mean, actually appropriate. Flick of all over the world. Yes. Present much seem so far away. Now looks is it's. Did they? Didn't McCartney wrote the Beatles. Hey. Gioja Ringa the base. Stop it. I'm in right now. I'm a huge Beatles fan. I'm in right now. Really, really really complicated situation. Sometimes. This look great is this like an alternative world universe where they were for existed. So we all there too. That's a great that. That's a great press. Yes. All right. I'm in everything that the the Toy Story trailer did not do for me that trailer sold me. I'm going to this movie. I'm in right? What a great concept. It is a great concept. You know, the last movie or the trailer. I knew nothing about it at all. And then after I saw the trailer. I'm like, I've got to be there is it's John who's in the movie, I forgot what it's called whereas daughter disappears. Any wholesale takes place on social media. Yeah. I didn't never saw that movie. It's so great. I forgot the name. It was on my top list last year. It's really good. All right this. I love the whole originality of it. You should see the movie you would like it a lot. I heard good things. All right. But that trailer I'm in I'm in on that trailer right now. And I don't understand now. How she isn't just a huge star yet. James? She played Cinderella Cinderella. She's amazing. She's really good. All right. We're gonna run out of time. Everybody most of our audience seen the Spiderman far from home trailer. We do show that again, they're saying that this is an epilogue to endgame. All right. It takes place after endgame is done. But but that it's kind of not it's not the official start of face for. It's actually the end of face three. Okay. Shows us what the world is like after the events that we're going to watch take place in two. You are. Yeah. Why I just don't it's like Toy Story four. I don't. They needed to do it. Here's what I love about. It is there's a list of comic book villains and heroes that I've always thought deserved. A big screen treatment mysterious on the list. You know, I've read that they're thinking of making nightmare the villain in the doctor strange sequel with with what they could do with today's technology that would be perfect. And I think mysterious with what is available with today's technology. I think having him. He's on my list of villains. I've always always wanted to get rid of the little fish bowl on his head thing. No, that's kind of the iconic look say brain does. Well, it's it's about a guy named Spiderman swings. But that's because he was by the. Active reality. The Lion King. What do you think? I think this. I think this will be good. I mean after Dumbo stumbled, I think this will be really good. All right. We'll take a brief look here at the lion. King fan. Is it my little friend? While some born to feast. Other spend their lives in the. Begging for scraps as a great shot right there. Let's look at the tech. Dalla dialects really good everything you see. Exist together in a delicate balance and James Earl Jones with the voice work there touch. Yeah. Sprayed. All right. So I've got one more live rate. I gotta do. And then I want you to tell me the three movies. We didn't talk about which one. You're looking forward to the most. All right. All right. So we told you earlier in the show about the story of this. Couple in Portland, Oregon that had their home title taken away from them by scammers face division. Notices late payments notices because they were liquidating the equity they had in their home. They spent a fortune to try to get their home back faced vixen notices, anyway, the most valuable investment, the vast majority of you within the sound of my voice are ever going to own is your own home. Protect with our friends at home tied a lock, especially when it costs just pennies a day to do it you can register your home for free right now. And find out our scammers already tampering with your home's title. Has it already been targeted is it vulnerable? Go to home title, walk dot com. Get a free title scan and report. That's normally one hundred dollars value. But it's free today for our family at the blaze at home, title, LOC dot com. That's home title, ach dot com. All right. So we we have three movies. We didn't have time to get to or two. Yeah. There's just too so fast and furious presents Hobson Shaw. The trailer is great. And I think they do a masterful job of kind of giving you of selling of use that word a lot today. I don't know why they do a good job. They do a good job of selling that movie. I think that's going to be a ton of fun. The bad guys going to be great. Yeah. Address Elba is the bad guy. It's a good choice. Yeah. Good chemistry there too. You know, the rock and that one white guy whose name I can't ever say. I can't remember his name. What's once upon a time? In Hollywood is that the Sharon Tate movie. I don't think so. No, okay. But they don't really I don't really know what this is about because it's Quentin Tarantino movie, and they don't want you to know. But it's got Brad Pitt Margot Robbie and Leonardo decaf. See I think it's this is about Sharon Tate. Well, I think. Share intake. I think you might be right in hindsight. And so is this essentially helter skelter is that is that. No. Because it looks like from what I saw comedy. Yeah. This is the as an actor. And Brad Pitt pays like his stuntman or something. Yeah. Leo's kind of a buffoon. He's he's playing a real, man. But he isn't. And Brad Pitt is so I don't know what that has to do with train table. One thing. Here's what we know. There's going to be seven thousand f bombs we know that right? Quentin tarantino. That's the edited version. That's we'll be on THE. Yes. Okay. So you wanted us to talk about a film that you don't know about. But we didn't bring up God Silla. So it's good to see Mike would never change never change my next just call and say bringing Godzilla and then maybe another twenty movies. It's good to see my. Thanks, guys. Thanks for inviting me. Well, let us know. What you think about what we think? Steve Steve day Stott com. Email address like us on Facebook. Follow us on Twitter at Steve day show. 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Kaytranada's journey from basement beat-making to the Grammys

Switched On Pop

38:27 min | 4 months ago

Kaytranada's journey from basement beat-making to the Grammys

"Support for this episode comes from an exciting new podcast from two americans. You've probably heard of before. President brock obama and not president but still national treasure. Bruce springsteen renegades born in the usa is out right now exclusively on spotify and it's a fascinating intimate conversation between two longtime friends. Who just sort of happened to be president. Obama and bruce springsteen they sit down for a deep dive into america and all that entails they trade stories of the people who live here and work to connect their own efforts to find meaning truth and community with the larger american story. Listen for free right now. Only on spotify saw switched on pop. Songwriter charlie harding. I'm musicologist nate. Sloan need this year. We've been doing a lot of grammy's coverage. I think because there have been songs and artists that i've been really interested in music that has captivated me and this week. We're going to talk with one of the nominees for best new artists. Katryn oughta who really inspiring so many other artists in this category. He's not a best new artist. He's been doing this for a long while building this career and getting a lot of recognition literally moving from making beats in his mom's basement to making beats with collaborators like ferrall anderson pock. Sid mad lib recently announced. He's got a two track summit with matlab very. He's done work for mary. J. blige keys. Chance the rapper kamar and madonna. But i think the first time that i heard katryn auto is when you played me his track at our. We rooms the yeah. I think there were probably four weeks in a row where i was just suggesting everyone listening. Different tracks from ninety nine point nine percent. That album is going to be on my end of decade list for shirt. There's something about the way that katryn nada uses samples that just rocks me to my core. And i feel a certain kind of kinship in a way because i'm a music historian right and i feel like at his best. Katryn nada is making a statement that deejays and producers are music historians themselves. What do you mean like break it down for me. Let's take a track from ninety nine point nine percent like light spots. Remember when you first played this for me. It was instantly hypnotize ing. There was something about the way that he's flipping these samples that it's frantic and yet super groovy at the same time and i'm wanting to know the references and yeah i'm totally captivated. The sample here is from nine thousand. Nine hundred seventy three record by the brazilian singer. Gal costa called india and this particular track is called puntos de loose. Maybe the first thing you hear when you compare the original to cater not as light spots is that he's bumping up the tempo his version of the song. It's a little bit faster. Little bit brighter right but otherwise he's really leaving the original pretty unchanged it's kind of like you're hanging out in his living room and he's like hey check out this Classic brazilian tropicalia release. I just dug up this kind of obscure a deep cut. Let's just like kind of sync into the couch and listen to this together. And you're like yeah. Wow this is cool. I've never heard this before. It makes sense. 'cause he's famous for his d jiang scales as much as he has as a producer. And then you get to this one point in the gal costa original where she says these lines in portuguese translate to something like i feel very happy in fact i dare say i feel completely happy and at that moment katryn nada stops the track. He grabs those three lines of lyrics. And he starts looping it in this way that completely catches you off guard kind of surprises you and then like you were saying. Just totally sucks you into its world and then we get the house. Be so good. This is where katryn nada as historian comes into the picture in a way. What he's doing there is he's asking you to pay attention to like. I don't know what is it like three seconds of music from three minute long track. And he's asking you to pay really close attention. Listen really carefully to this. And i'm going to help you. I'm gonna put it on a loop. And i'm gonna give it to you over and over and over again and i'm going to ask you to just contemplate this little snippet of music in such a deep way. It's like the are all equivalent of standing in front of a painting and asking someone to just look deeper at that brush stroke. Don't look at the whole painting for second. Just look at this one breastroke. This is like the dj quota that like step away from the song and just listen to this little scrap of melody for a second and just sit with that. Pay attention to it. Let it burrow deep into your mind and soul. And i see how here in the music. You take this phrase even. If you don't speak portuguese there is something so captivating it definitely makes you wanna go deeper into the song. Look it up the references. See what the sample is go. Do the reverse crate digging. Find all of his references. That's right right so not only is the historian but he's enlisting you to become a music historian as well you've been conscripted into the ranks now and of course he's not just putting this scrap of melody under the microscope for you like you said he's also adding something and he's adding this just dickey leslie danceable house groove on top of what's already like a very thickly instrumentation section of music right. But he's giving you this modern element he's bringing nineteen seventy-three and crash landing at into twenty sixteen. So it's like a bit of history but like all good historians. He's trying to make that history relevant. He's trying to save history repeats itself. What's old is new. This song may have resonated with people when it was released in the same way that a modern dance track would strike you today. We're bridging that historical gap. It's like the other day you're telling me about how you've been watching. All these tiktok videos about marxist capitalist theory at the z is really good at them. And you don't have the time or inclination to dig into like marxist theory. You're not gonna read thousand page book but you will watch thirty-second tiktok video because it's fun and it's accessible and it's like right in the palm of your hand you know. We want history to be accessible like that. We wanted to be enjoyable. That's what dj's do. They take music history and they make it fun and pleasurable. And they don't make it kind of distant intimidating. the song brings this obscure nineteen seventy three track to light for you for you to dance to for you to bay then for you to do your research. It's like i don't know to me. It's more than just a fun track to listen to like history and action of love your passion here. This is a song that totally connected with me as well and you know. Obviously there's a part of me that's like yeah but lots of people sample rate. Not like he's the only one doing this and yet there's a certain way in which the way that he flips his samples where as you put it earlier there like it's raw it's honest to the original materials not trying to obscure it. So you're like. Oh i i see the thing that you're doing and yet still finds a way to make it really compelling for this moment and i want to talk about that and talk to him about how he developed his craft and how over a decade. He built a career to the point of the recognition of grammy. Best new artist nomination. I am not a all the way from montreal. Canada been making beats. Since i was a young and then now here i am. Bess new orders. For the grammy's it's really crazy and exciting. Let's just go back to the beginning to the start. What got you into making music. Music was always in me always wanted to make music. It was when i was fourteen just like finding out about those softwares online like virtual dj and tractor. I doubted the demo food loose bunch signs. I never knew how to work and it was my little brother who is not as i do it. I said you the trump society to debase like. He really taught me everything. And it was kinda deep already when i was like fourteen and fifteen just finding out about chopping samples and making loops and stuff like that. Where were you what was happening. I was actually at like the suburbs in. It's like a city call sent shubert not too far from montreal but like nothing going on really. I was really my mom's basement and like we had a pc that we had to share the whole family. And i was making my beasts there. What was motivating me. Was this like small community and youtube where sponsor producers posting their beats and people were just giving props like yeah this is. This is nice so dad and my brother was mostly like the motivation. What kept me going. Was there a moment of significant validation outside of your family and the media community. There was one thing that really pop off. It was like a mall community. When i was like nineteen and it was just be makers montreal origin suburbs around the city and we come together in the city to just show off our beats and people were just giving us props to give us encouragement. And then that's when you knew that music was more ninjas music it was like everything that came wooded addition to making your own work at this point. You're also heavily and dj culture and also in to remixing you're posting remix us the soundcloud. There's a song that really takes off. What is it. How does it happen. Oppose this remake subject jackson. I was bleeding inspired by this fight. Loaded show that just seen and that nine that remix in one night posted at five. Am i go to sleep. And in this like twelve pm. I get notifications off my phone. It's like soundcloud going crazy just like hundred notifications on soundcloud and it was like what the heck and i just go back to sleep because i was like a night. Owl does where my night out as i would like. Wake up at four pm and then it's like four. Pm you'd see like your page. There's like two thousand likes on his remix that you posted like today. That was something that was unimaginable and then during eventually blew up and he got bigger. People are still talking about it. You know and. I waited a little longer for the teacher. Moses wanna come out after out in that one kind did twice as much as big as it. Is you know he was talking about it today. And it's like wow like. I just knew i had something it kept on being like oh my god makes those remixes so that's where it is soundcloud. Fame came up put. It sounds like these remixes especially the janet jackson remix of f. You put up in two thousand twelve happening spontaneously in my in my my room with my brother like still siren as and you talk about it now with a great degree of confidence which is deserved. Did you know that it was good. Then i knew it was good but i just didn't know that people would like it. I was like if you like it. You know that's cool. A kind of like crossover. A lot of like john rose to me was like dislike whatever hip pop experimental arm. Be thing i'm doing and people saw it as house to like. It's like it broke through the house. World a broke to like the rb and hip hop and dance music. So it was like. Whoa what am i actually doing. What genre am i actually going for. So you could sonically. It's kinda strange. You have a hip hop eighty-eight base but you're playing as if it's like a p funk style funk bass rather than you know how be used in. You've got a ford to the floor house be and this kind of like diy casio of keyboard. Sound in the background with future base pumping sounds exactly there's no generic continuity but it works like nintendo like super nintendo since would like base. You know the same way we use as trap. It's like i use it as you said kind of like the boogie. Inspirations does the breadth of sounds. You're pulling from at this point. Reflect what's going on for you as a dj. Is that why. You're playing so many kinds of sounds all mashed together really you just what i'm listening to. I was not really into just one genre music so it's really a mixture of genres but can be one thing at the same time he can just be some bugis tough but you know that hip pop after that they actually like took south from bogey and mainly hip hop. You know this really like kind of like a full circle of genres. You know like all the jazz stuff and that means about you know house. It's really agree comes from disco and it's so many of like those things that comes around again you know what's what's old is new. Yeah you have these remixes they seem to pop off bigger than the next so what happened after your remixes blue my manager who booked me for this show in halifax and all i asked was like a hotel room on the two hundred dollars. And that's it. And i eventually go to halifax which was like my first plane trip in my first show outside of the city and then the next day was i do need would meet your management. And i'm like. I don't have imagined right now. Yeah kinda need help. He's like okay. Well as students we all start from like the beginning. And i think in one week i was in blogs. He were starting to talk about me. I was starting to make noise. I i do this. Ep is caucasian. Toto is not available on streaming anymore. But i do this. And then go on tour and europe and it's like everything is still keeps on growing from then from then on in it's like are just went to europe and are really changed my life like i was not the same after you know why people start taking notice you go on the road opening. Dj -ing madonna seems like what opportunities are happening. What pulls you back home to record your. I think they'll hold simoes working on my first. Lp which was ninety nine it was supposed to be ep adverse xl her ep and they were like well too so we need album so i was like cool. I was ready to do a now almost ready to just come up with a body of work and i was still on tour at the same time while working and it was really bothering me with. Nobody hurt does songs. It's like what are we doing. You know like. I should go back and finished his record and put it together and i was kind of burned out so i was like okay. I need to stop touring and it just went back. Home home was still in. The basement was still my mom's basement. Put everything together and i think i turned it in two thousand sixteen light just in january or two thousand fifteen This is advertiser content brought to you by aaa insurance when that door opens your heart rate goes up fresh air hits you but then calmed down again. You are a piece you have trust. You're prepared and the most relaxed moments. I have is being in the door. Ready to skydive and having the trust at. It's all going to be okay. My name is kate cooper yeltsin. I made my first skydive in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy eight. I have over fourteen thousand jumps and i love it. Even though cates a skydiving legend staring out the door of an airplane at ten thousand feet still feels pretty nerve wracking but when that creeps in. Kate knows there's only one thing to do. You have to have some trust. I shed on the doubt. And i've never felt freer in my life. 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Takes a break work like it's estimated that self releasing artists earned more than two billion dollars last year. I love the creative freedom that have as an independent artists that sandy paterson aka. Call me as he's an independent hip hop artist based in the bay area who sidestepped the traditional path. To success of rap about real stuff. i really am married. First generation jamaican american immigrant. That is one of the first to go to college in his family. The first to go to school have worked at these fortune. Five hundred companies has been homeless. Eighth graduated from business school in two twenty sixteen and took on a consulting job. That's also win tat back into his old passion wrapping three years later. Ace released his breakout album airplane mode which flew all the way to number fifty on the billboard chart as like whoa okay because as soon as the album was done i told my wife i was like yeah i wanna hit the billboard charts with. This may scott right to work on the next album. that's the hustle of being independent. His latest release out of office just dropped live independently. You do things your way with simple mobile and no contract ever find out how at simple mobile dot com We'll talk about some of what's going on ninety nine point nine percent. There are a lot of extraordinary collaborations here. I think one of the standout tracks is globe up with enersen food shop. I how the came together for you. How did this track company on to beat around those times. Like two thousand twelve before. I blew up we rehab phase where i used to sample like library sounds and just put traps over them like just try john. What do you mean libraries and library. Music like the k. pm. And all those like kinda like music for movies. It's like instrumental music but for moves. And you just put that in like a movie something but it's like those vinyls like if you check on those records they are always have samples and you if you check on the sci fi section. That's where they used the sense or they'll use like just like crazy sampling as courtier. Something what drives you to produce in this fairly laborious form have been on hip hop music for a while. Now i come from actually like listening to a lot of j. diller just blaze knife warner aldo's producers. Were just like madeline. The all just sample allow records in the crate digging inches. At the same time you discover live music and your knowledge music expand on crazy level just by discovering those records is by creating and i had a phase while used to create dig like i read collection by here phone beginning the absolute beginning like i is sampling sample and not just learn from my producers honestly So you take this library. Music us set it to a beat. How does the collaboration with anderson happen and shit back which is coming up. I just sent beats and he had a bunch of demos of like in my son's which is that's why just two parts on up you know there. There's a there's a first half and then two thirds of the way through. There's a sample flip in the whole thing changes up. Tell me about that. I did glowed up because it was like. That's like a personal one ares. Love like not just wanted to put down the album and like of course he wouldn't he even finish the song. of course it wouldn't finish this as an interlude. Some would texas devotee the one you said you were sending beats him. You weren't in the same room working together. Nana most of the ninety nine point nine was mostly done in my mom's basement like i didn't have any guess recording with me you're just emailing back and forth. Yeah at the time was working. Because you know people used to work remotely and they was like we would end up in a meeting later later much in life especially for you as a producer. Or you know you're not you're not putting down vocals so you're working with a lot of collaborators and there's there's many standout ones another highlight for me is sid of the internet on the song. You're the one. How would you describe the production. What's going on. it's so all over the place. It's like to me like when you're the one i was just messing around. I had this new some fatty and not just really mess with light basis as like you see the base released sounds like moog in nasty like was like it doesn't really make sense to me like right now. I'm like wow. I realized that one slide but people love it it was really messing around and i never use meeting controllers before using your to one. You know what i'm saying. So i was. We all making like by charring stuff on the mouse and stuff like that. So you've got this super deep funk line again we've got some sort of house production part of what surprising though. Is that all of your prior to the song was done clicking things in with the mouse into software. But you're drums don't sound programs. There's life to them. How do you breathe life into drums when it's happening right there on your computer. I don't know what it's like. I'm obsessed with like not having to sound like this. Like very computer are coin size. So you know. I would drag like you know the the hi hats late and it would like automatically sound like it's not coin size you know i will do the same with the base you know it's like it's two different swings in one beat. When i used to produce with the mouse it was apart where things are quite size like the kick and snare and then like you know the cords. The hi hat cannot forget the hi hat and learn you know the base and everything else has to be pushed back like more forward so that it will give this kind of like. Oh something is not going to cash up. Oh actually did. And it's like this swing like you'll feel like tobacco your neck even in the process of making this i i'll pay your lending some meaningful collaborations. But you're still self educating learning new ways of making music till about where do we go from ninety nine point nine percent to bubba ho. What happens in the in between from two thousand sixteen to twenty nineteen. Sound was inspired. I was really. I constantly making stuff and i was using foodi loops at time like i did. The whole dynamics. Like i missed the whole stuff on fully loop so it was like i got this mack and an native instruments the native instruments for sending me of the machine and that software just looked so beautiful. That was like i gotta use it. You know i gotta learn how to use it. So i was really like on my quest to learn machine and i was just making terrible. Beats for like two or three months like in a row re trying to find myself was not really trying to work on our boom. I was trying to beat his producer. You know and. I just couldn't figure out why i was like not the producers going to be and i was like of course i don't live in la. I live in like spots where the music industry is happening. You know it's like or stuff like that and so dowry bar and also moved out on my mom's house as well so it's like all these changes in my life. And i was just living life really. I was going out partying more and eventually the idea of bubba came around two thousand eighteen in my birthday when teacher moses sent me a culture cultural is the speed and then i was like okay and album is coming like sometimes. You just know like okay. I've got to work on this album. I work on an album. And then like i kinda sat on it trying to get more people involved. I went to la for a couple of months ages. Now i got told you nine. Nine point nine percent was like this record. Wow was just collaborating remotely now. He got so point where i was like. No i'm meteorologist. I like catch vied. I want to be to produce. i never been. I was kind of shy. So i was just always like never really seen anything but the artist was always doing their thing. You know kelly witches and estelle l. Do their own thing. And i was like wow. I can't really say nothing like now. I gotta like watch what you do. It was all these demos coming together. And i had enough material and it was like all dense music so i was like you know what i'm just going to do. A dance elettronica. Oslo focused on that the hip hop poured all the stuff. That was making is gonna like wait fuller while so just try and condense album and that's how it came together really ten percent with allergies can't perhaps you're in los angeles. This is sort of the first time formerly collaborating in a room. You've got some really talented folks. You're feeling all shy. Yeah but you get some great material out of this ten percent with cheese. Get some really great play and it's really fun track. How does this come together. No county which is like we worked on her first mix tape. We go way back. It's like in the beginning of a career like at coachella to perform. Because we had this phone call rush. And i really liked the song. This is like an amazing sewn. People should ask the first song together. Always was just friends after that and then we did san percent but we've been sending on ten percent for years because it was like two thousand seventeen and took me like over a year. Data link like we worked together again and then i was like hey want to add something to that song. It's cool because we all see. I see my evolution in hers too. So it's like it's kind of kind of nice to see that. Our sample dislike drum loop by his. R&b bank first choice left thing like this classic like really known drum loop in there so i just did like random since like what i usually do added side because that's why it sounds really reminiscence like what i used to added since the years went on by and i just added a couple stuff like strings and those little like plucky sense at the end and just trying to make it better you know make it sound better. Make it sound less dated. You know that's what it was. I feel like there's sort of internet obsession of trying to figure out what is the case or not a sound what what are what are those sounds that you use identify as a personal sound. Some people like say yeah like. I'm making kitchen. Its beat and his. Like i have no idea what you talkin help. But what what are the things you think about that. You care about in terms of representing yourself. The fact that i'm doing how. When i do house music i don't do it coin size and i just like make the hi hat super funky the baseline before talk about okay chernov baseline when it's not really. My baseline is just eight away or just bury a sub baseline that you feel like i can like the same way of jd. Used it or you know mainly uses like a very savvy base. That is just kind of shakes the trunk of your car. You know so. I always use a part to mental on the so. It's like this like every time the tax so that's what it is and and there will be like some he sends you know a little since like in the end like that's like the classification on seems to think very deeply about the sonics of of the work you're say earlier about how in the in between these records you're teaching yourself new tools. You're trying things out you say there's a bunch of beats that you're making which are like they're not beats and i've read other interviews that there was a sort of moment of maybe a crisis of confidence of wait a minute. Why aren't some of the collaborations that i'm wanting to working out. How do you know when a b. is wack or when it's really working and ready for another artist. You filling your body you i like. I don't know. Maybe it's a hard thing like i just based on like whatever i feel over here in my chest my heart if it makes me happy at another level. That's when i'm like okay. I feel it now. This is this is great. This is good but there are sometimes. I just don't hit right. You're like maybe. I should put this one out on. This is not going to come out there. Sometimes you feel this way in some nice that it's like oh my god sister most amazing shit i ever did. And then you wake up the next day and then you like a maybe not. I'm not sure as an instrumental producer. Continues drive your creative curiosities kind of statements. Are you wanting to make or discover. I just love making music really than if i got this game from making music like is it. It's amazing and i don't even know how to play keys. And i still managed to create my own production. Macree my own compositions. That's really like fasting. That's like something. I should really not say granted. You know like if something. I'm really i'm really really happy to have that talent of knowing what's good and what's not in my ears. I guess this is. This is really give. Cause i can't really comprehend like that. How come i know all of these things about music. And i really was not consistent with like my piano lessons going up and stuff like that. You know so yeah. Many people have noted your music over the last decade there has been made in stages from remixing to getting scientists l. your point nine percent record but with bubba. You have the grammy's saying hey we've got nominations for best dance recording for ten percent best dance electronic album for the whole and also best new artists curious. About how this external validation changes things for you. This amazing man is something that it's like. Secure my places secure in like i know it definitely gives you like a secure feeling that your stuff is still officially like we know the grammies have like had their controversies but is still dope to be recognized. It's with amazing in something. That is really historical whether you like it or not. It's amazing especially one from rock. Come from it's like. I'm always speechless when i talk about like me being nominated because it's still feels a little weird you know. I can't really wrap my head around the fact just making stuff. Where i'm actually sitting that you're no longer in your mom's basement but you're nearby. Get every comeback baseman may be. Sometimes you know. I'm bored sometimes but i'm just making be scientists compel rex to make albums and then again recognized from dad is really amazing. It's really great. What's luxury this last week. I was like you know what i'm going to work on. A new album does a lot of crazy things. That is happening my life and i could use a lot of that and like riding because i've been writing a lot of lyrics and just me singing demos and stuff like that. What's going on. And what are you wanting to say relationship stuff. Because i know my life is okay. I'll setup this relationship ahead. But i know like this would be good liver concept for the album as stuff like that. Some really trying to make like you know a continuation of whatever i met you know in in terms of like life and my has because i've i did involve since bubba. It's like i was happy. That bowe came out at the time it was for me was like yeah. This is why really this is really the evolution you know. Now it's like. I've evolve again even more like i think it's like an everyday thing so i just want people to hear that sooner or later you know beautiful stuff. That's been really enjoy getting chat with you. I really appreciate it. Thank you for joining us on the show. 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Marc Lamont Hill and Zaheer Ali On The Impact Of "The Autobiography of Malcolm X"

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Marc Lamont Hill and Zaheer Ali On The Impact Of "The Autobiography of Malcolm X"

"The following podcast is an embassy row production. Hey everybody I'm Marc Lamont Hill owner of bobbies, coffee and books. I am a professor, a scholar, and most importantly Buchner. Buchner because I just love to read books. I'm the person who loves to read about the book. I love hearing authors talk about how why they wrote the book and I love talking to other book nerds about their favorite books. That's why I started coffee in books. It's a podcast, all of our books every episode. I. Sit down over a cup of coffee with the world's biggest authors to discuss the most interesting controversial fun and important books, and sometimes we hang out with experts and other special guests to talk about some of the greatest of all time, and this is one of those occasions. Fifty five years ago the autobiography of Malcolm X was released since that day has literally shaped and change the lives of millions of people including yours truly. So today, I sit down to discuss the boot with Zahir Ali. He is a source equality fellow. He was the project manager at Columbia University Malcolm X. Project and he's brilliant oral historian. So we're. GonNa. Talk about the book we're what was in it how and why it was made of course, profound impact that it's had on the world's here. Thanks for joining me. Thank you. Thank you for having me here at the beginning of every episode I. Drink a cup of coffee straight from uncle bobbies, coffee and books, and this week I am drinking plain black coffee. With some cream added. Because Malcolm once said that the only thing that he likes integrated is his coffee. Are you a coffee drinker I? Am Not a coffee drinker Oh my God so I don't know exactly how you can be in the Malcolm extradition an adjective drink two cups of coffee. Yes, you must. The one thing that I couldn't never get with. The culture of coffees it's really interesting. This story of coffee for people who don't know of course, coffee originates out of Arab culture right and so coffee becomes these signature drink of the nation of Islam, and that's not coincidental in some of the early cookbooks in the nation of Islam they are circulating recipes for making original Arab coffee. Really. Yeah. Yeah and so you know coffee was not just a drink nothing was just in the native of. Everything in the nation of Islam was with purpose intention analogy, and so the popularity of coffee in the nation of Islam was very much tied to the history of coffee as a drink coming out of sort of Arab and Muslim culture. Wow, that's actually super fascinating and that gives me some context for a few things that we're going to talk about today talking about the autobiography of Malcolm x the first place I want to begin is the personal dimension of this. The autobiography of Malcolm X is without question. The most important book that I've ever read it changed my life. In some ways it probably saved my life I read the book as a teenager. How were you when you were all by Malcolm? X. I think I was like fifteen or sixteen? Yeah. So you're like me I was I was trying to figure my life out I was trying to figure the world out my brother had bought a copy of it. He was already reading books and doing all kinds of stuff with knowledge. We're GONNA, Black Bookstores and I was reading and then I picked up this book and I haven't been same sense man I I read every word of it. Very quickly, you know it was it was about five hundred page low five hundred pages and I read every word of it. And I was so transformed I wanted to join organizations I went to the mosque around the corner became Muslim I took my Shahada. I radically reimagined the world for me. This book was a story of what's possible it was a it was a riveting story about a man who was born under some of the most extreme and oppressive circumstances who reached some of the the deepest lows you could reach in society but somebody who had been saved in a sense through love through care through commitment and through books. His love for reading in prison, as well as the care that he received from his family from sisters in particular from the Muhammad from the nation of Islam, allowed him to become a world historical figure who would change the lives of so many others for me. This book was testimony to what was possible I get I haven't been the same. What would it mean to you? Had you how did you experience it? So you I think it's good to think about the context, right? So I a encountered this book I was in English class than we used to have to do these monthly book reports and the State provides this list of books that you're supposed to draw from and. I went to my teachers a black woman. And said, I do not want to read another book by White Man. And, you know God bless her, and all of those teachers and educators especially those working in the public schools who are able to create space for their students in the way that she did she assigned me the autobiography of Malcolm x one teacher I did yes. I went to the school library I checked it out that Friday and I couldn't put it down for the whole weekend and it reading this book is it was it was almost like a whole track of history had been withheld right 'cause it in schools. We we basically all we had was like, Frederick Douglass. There's always men it was like freshman came Frederick. Doug Martin Luther King. That's it. That's it. Right? Maybe Rosa Parks Mary Harvard. Tubman. But that was it. You know. So this this book came to me in the right time and he gave me as a student in a school that was mixed, but it was moving from predominantly white to predominantly black. The faculty were not adjusting of predominate faculty were not adjusted to the reality and I needed a language. I needed an analysis to understand the ways that black students at our school were being treated with a dispassionately, and so this book sort of gave me that foundation to challenge white supremacy that I was experiencing personally. While the this book is released in October of nineteen, sixty, five, eight months and eight days actually after Malcolm X. is killed the Audubon ballroom. What kind of reception did the book it when it first came out by large, the book was critically acclaimed some of the same publications that had mocked Malcolm's death or you're sort of. Coldly remarked on his death now were publishing pieces that revisited his story absolutely the New York Times when they reviewed the book said that this was an extraordinary book, a brilliant painful and important book. The. Nation. said a great book with its dead, level? Honesty it's passion. It's exalted purpose it will stand as a monument to the most painful truth I. F Stone said, this book will have a permanent place in the literature of the Afro American struggle. So there was a sense are early on this book was going to matter in so many ways in his book has come to matter in. So many ways I do work with a bookstore bars, which is an organization that gets literature into prisons around the country and the autobiography. Malcolm X. is. At the top of the people asks for Law. Books Bibles Korans in Malcolm X. anybody meet WHO's involved in some sort of grassroots politics, radical politics, progressive politics they mentioned Malcolm X. Brock Obama talks about reading autobiography of Malcolm X. Really runs the gamut who this book has mattered for, and who to tell the story than Alex Haley, who is Alex Haley when this book is being written on this Alex we don't have roots yet. We don't have any significant literary accomplishment yet from Alexandra. We have some really compelling essays. We have some interesting work in Reader's digest some stuff in playboy. Who was Alex Haley at this time to do this work? So, Alex Haley was just a budding writer. He had served some time in the coast guard as politics were probably I think there are Republican. Republican in the sort of Eisenhower Republican right like the that that sort of remnant of black Republicans they were. Face Yeah Yeah this is this is when the Democratic Party was still like the Dixie party. Right but you know not very much a believer in American project and this was a big break for Alex Haley to do this project I. Think at the time he started this in nineteen sixty three by that time Malcolm had become one of the most requested speakers on college campuses across America. So it was clear that this was someone who was compelling. You know it's interesting those he you know doubleday was the the original contract for this book was with Doubleday and you know after Malcolm was assassinated doubleday didn't they decided not to publish the book and so they had to go. Yeah. I mean my audience to here. So Doubleday decided that after Malcolm, X. was killed. That wouldn't I mean that seems like such a different publishing lobby thousand twenty. So I don't know all of the details but what I remember too high, and so it went to grove press in this manning marable calls this you know of the most disastrous decisions in publishing history. Is the past on the you who wants to be the editor that goes down in history as having passed on the autobiography of Malcolm Bags. You feel like a big loser right now. But you know so that to your point, it wasn't sure that this had the legs that it had. Right. So when he was finished with the autobiography of Malcolm X., he said, you know I wonder you know let me let me look into this and of course. Dad takes him down the road to produce roots, which is you know the other major texts that that he is known for resulting in you know one of the most watched mini series in television history, all legacies of the autobiography of Malcolm X.. Wow. This book is like it's a book of history. It's a book of Literature. It's a book of scripture. Right? I mean this is this is like a sacred texts for many people and his as prophetic as as for many other people as sacred texts can be and it's it's all of those things. Absolutely you know I said when I started the podcast that I was going to do episodes on specific books books that mattered and. Be The first book that I could do and it was easiest choice of anything I've ever done for those that have not read the Autobiography Malcolm. X.. Is like autobiographies story of one's life, but it comes at a very important time in Malcolm. X's life. The book is released a October twenty ninth of nineteen, sixty, five, and so many things have happened over that period of time from Malcolm's. Release from prison to his time becoming a leader Nation of Islam to the time where he leaves a nation of Islam to the time where he's killed in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, five, eight months before the book comes out we've seen so many different Malcolm X.'s and we've seen so many transformations in his life, but also in America and this book captured. So much of that can you? Talk a little bit about why you know this the such a unique texts because it is both about the life of a single individual Malcolm X. has me Shabazz but it is also about an entire community. It is one of those rare kinds of autobiographies I. think we should talk about what autobiography supposed to do, but it's one of those rare autobiographies that are that is both about the. Subject and about the reader. So we we ended up reading this text in our so able, it's so accessible as so able to see ourselves in it because Malcolm lives such a a life of so many different kinds of experiences. There's so many points of entry for the reader into this book. So one is just accessible especially for the generations that have read it and I think this will always. Be The case, but it is a book that talks about the experience of black people. In the twentieth century. There is the story of the Great Migration. There is the story of Jim Crow, the North there is the story of segregation. There is the story of Urbanization Story reincarceration. There's the story of of reform and revolution bears the story of transnationalism. All of that ad is encapsulated in this. Really in the short thirty, nine years of Malcolm's life he traveled it's almost like he was traveling twice as fast as most people could live, and so he covered way more time than most people would cover in their own lifetime, and so I think just the the compelling nature of his story is one of the reasons why this book has continued to speak to people and it's not just you. Know. What's interesting is that as I said, there's so many points of entry for this text I mean for some people the book is like one of the sacred texts of black freedom and black revolution and for other people, it's literary texts about personal transformation in other people it's a self help text about how the improvement and self making you know and you know so that I think. Is what some of the reasons why this book was ranked by time, magazine as one of the most important ten books of the Twentieth Century why does Malcolm X. decide to write an autobiography? Malcolm is thirty nine. When he dies he's about thirty, six, thirty, seven when he starts this book, Why would somebody at thirty six, thirty, seven in the midst of this great social upheaval decides right in autobiography. Malcolm when he set out on this project, did not intend to really write his autobiography when he first met Alex Haley, Alex. Haley was interviewing him for a piece that he was doing for Reader's Digest. Malcolm he was like you know those devils aren't going to let you print what I say when the stories came out he felt that they were true representatives of representations of him and Alex Haley of course in finding more about Malcolm story was so drawn. And captivated by this story of transformation that he wanted to. He was like look I want I want tell your story I WanNa do not a biography next time Malcolm as a minister in the nation of Islam said, well, near the person who you should really write about his Bellagio Muhammed right because he's the person that has been able to reform me and so many hundreds and maybe thousands of other people. It's really his story that that you should tell and. Alex Haley wasn't that interested in Arbor. Lodge Muhammed story but he so he convinced Malcolm to to do the autobiography and Malcolm figured at that time. He could as he had been doing as a minister used his own personal testimony to demonstrate the redemptive power of the teachings of Mohammed in the nation of Islam and so you know they got permission from from Mohammed to go forward with this project, and at the time Malcolm envisioned a book where they would be a few introductory essays about his life, but then they would be a series of. Essays that Malcolm would author that would feature his analysis of the problem and the solution for the problem faced by as they call the so-called Negroes in America and that was the original plan for the autobiography. This is going to be like religious promotional literature almost like an infomercial for the Nation of Islam Oh for sure for sure you know it was very much. You know the of course, the most important books in the nation of Islam and in most religion religious communities where the the Bible and the Koran right and if you look at For example, you know like the the sort of classic. East, which other the reporting the sayings in the actions of of the Prophet Muhammad or even the various testaments of Jesus that are found in the Bible. You know there's always disliked short introductory portion about who the author is or who the subject is. It's like let me tell you about this man and then you go into their words make this was the model. This is what the autobiography was not intended to be. An autobiography was intended to be a book that featured the Nation of Islam channeling through Malcolm's analysis of black people in America and their condition in what the solution was and. Recently. The SHAMBURG library in New York acquired some of the early versions of the manuscripts that would have informed the autobiography including what many people sort of famously referred to as the missing chapters, and you know one of those chapters is almost fully intact and it's called the Negro and it is essentially an essay by Malcolm doing what he originally hoped. The autobiography would do you know as the project evolved it moved from as short bio entry and essays to just a straightforward autobiography graffiti so Let's talk about that because there are some interesting things having having the same time for. So obviously finds Malcolm compelling, even more compelling than the leader of the nation, of Islam the. At least at least as a subject for this particular book. What does he see in? Malcolm that makes him think that Malcolm X. should be doing a project like this. I, think what? What Alex signed Malcolm is not that dissimilar from what Elijah Muhammad Sign Malcolm he was young he was charismatic. He was by all accounts attractive. He was someone who had lived a life that illustrated all of the Elles that could be produced by white supremacy, right? Like he could present himself as someone who could testify not just to here's what white supremacy does to. You but here's what you can do in response to change your life in the lives of your community. So I think that you know Malcolm was ineffective representative an eloquent representative and someone who had the credibility. You Know Malcolm Malcolm had a deep deep intimate knowledge of black life that he was able to incorporate in the ways that he spoke in the ways that he talked about. Race. In America, I say intimate knowledge of black it's not that most people who are black having intimate knowledge of black lives but so. Yeah unless you know something's happening you know. So he had this deep intimate knowledge of black life that he was able to translate like the folklore I mean when you look listen to his speeches, he's able to tap into this sort of deep well of shared understandings. Acknowledge that black people had that his ideas would end as analysis would easily resonate. You know the house slave in the field slave Malcolm isn't. The. First two articulated. But he our tickets it's so well as effective tool to analyze class differences in the black community and so here's Malcolm bringing this sort of intellectual class analysis. But articulating it in the frame of folk culture that people easily could grasp onto and he was very adept at doing that right? How slave feel slave he was very adept at drawing on the sort of tales of the urban outlaw. Able to short sorta fuse his intellect that was organically rooted with a deep analysis of race and class in America absolutely end that's what I think makes Malcolm such a hero to so many people at the grassroots level. You didn't have to have a fancy degree. You didn't have to be part of the civil rights class. You have to be part of these fancy organizations. You could appreciate Malcolm Machen was on the ground in Harlem Talking Speaking People's hearts and I think the book it's at a lot of that when the book is big is started. Malcolm is still a deep believer in the nation. Of Islam, as you pointed out, that's why he wanted to do. The book was to sing the praises of the nation and to show its transformative power over that two year period. Malcolm goes from being the national representative of the Lodge Muhammad and a major spokesman, really the face of the nation of Islam for many black Americans to having turmoil internal and at some point leaving the nation of Islam or at the very least being silenced and never had the opportunity. They're different debates about what was happening. But at the very least when Malcolm X. died, he expressed a desire to leave the nation. Of Islam, he had begun a Muslim mosque. And the Organization for Afro, American Unity Malcolm was in a different place. So he's writing an autobiography based on the premise of the organization by the end of the book. He doesn't love them anymore. How does that play out in terms of the book press? Can you I can't imagine yet writing a book about my parents and how much I love them, and then when I get to Chapter Eight, I found my parents you know I got beef with my parents do I change the beginning of the book or my more honest about the end of the book within Malcolm Dies Yeah? So Malcolm, he functions as a dynamic narrating texts other literary scholars might say unstable. Narrator unfixed narrator, right. So the thing is when you when you're doing as something like a memoir project, you have to pick a point of reference and you have to use that has to be the point of reference from which you interpret your past. Because the way you tell your story today might not be the way you tell your story next year and it will probably not be the way you tell your story ten years from now right? Because with time you get to look back at the past and things that may be look really important right now don't have the same importance or the things that the threat that you would use to link events of. The past into a linear narrative might be different. You know we don't really live linear lives right but we tell linear stories about our lives. That's why you can tell your story today in the tell your story to someone else today it'd be two different stories Aston that oral history stuff that's oral history step. So where are you doing oral history you? There is a constant revision that is happening in in it's not something to run from right because would would it then invites you to understand is that a memoir or an oral history or anything that involves remembrance is documenting three points in time simultaneously, it's documenting the past it actually happened it's documenting the president. In which you are remembering and framing and telling the past that happened and it's also documenting your aspiration for how you would like to understand the past that has happened. Right. So there's past president future bundled up in the act of remembrance in telling that remembrance, and that's very much present in the autobiography. Now, what what is challenging about the autobiography is at that point is constantly moving is weird as you were as you were talking I was like, wow, you know I. I think we're you ours I. We're older than Malcolm X. ever lift to be right right right Ns wild to me because I I encountered Malcolm as a teenager when I read his autobiography Would be looking at Malcolm as someone who was sort of young than me right or looking at myself as someone who had live longer than Malcolm and I think what we tend to do is take Malcolm with us and I think it's unfair for us to assume that Malcolm is in his late forties or fifties or sixties how old we are when we're reading Malcolm we have to understand this was this was a younger brother. was still very much in formation and not only was his time shifting in terms of his point of reference for telling his story his circumstance was shifting. Would I mean as you pointed out in radically I mean structurally, the book is challenged because. So here's the deal had he had he had with with Alex Haley. Alex Haley had to deal with him. So so basically they would. They would talk they would interview Alexander would write a draft of a chapter. He would send it to mount gum. Malcolm would sign off on the chapter in the deal was once Malcolm signed off on the chapter he couldn't. He couldn't go back right he couldn't go back to revise it. That's a hell of a book. Yeah. No, it was just like, yeah always what are you just dropped a major Balmy I did not know that was the deal. I guess I could understand Alex Haley. Knew he was he was dealing with a high functioning intellectually this Malcolm was not like some like Okeydoke who could be Okeydoke, right? So Alex Haley had to be like look when that gets. You got you whatever you say this we we have to move with this progress because. Otherwise, we're just going to be stuck chapter one constantly you know this as a writer you just Kinda just have to keep writing because otherwise you'll be revising that first sentence over and over and over again. I guess in. This is fascinating to hear that the he literally was done with the chapter had had to move on because I think when you're recalling your life later all you remember a detail or somebody hits you that you forgot I mean all kinds of things are possible indicate in this case he's learning things, right so At least from outcomes perspective into Malcolm's on words there's a moment where Malcolm develops a different belief system religious. Wise. Now, he's still awesome but he starts to question the theology of the organization yet what? I will counter that to say so there's a little foreshadowing that sort of pepperdine texts, but it's not not significant and I think the impact of that is like we we sort of go on Malcolm's journey. Let tell you as a kid when I'm reading the autobiography of Malcolm. X., I'm not getting hyped when he's giving height and then I started getting disappointed when he's getting disappointed. Devastated. When he's devastated right because there is no foreshadowing right there's no like sign is no warning sign that this is about to go sounds like if you don't know his story and you come to it, you take in for this journey and I guess I get your point because what it does mean is that the text is really there's a kind of in cohesiveness about the tax write. It doesn't cohere the way a sort of like I'm sitting down and doing a summation of my life autobiography would. But on the flip side from the the experience of reader, you don't really know about to go down till you get to like the acreage chapter, right? RIGHT BUT IF I. was about the go take exactly so We, get a feel that. Way, we feel like that kind of disappointment Malcolm. We feel it because we're like, we're like, yeah, you know chapter fourteen, the black Muslims and he's like doing isn't Johnson Hinton case and he brings the brothers out in challenged the police in he's given these speeches and then it's like wait what right. So part of the you know we talk about why this book work so well. Used to argue with Manning Marable Latte who is my mentor when we were working on the Malcolm X. Project? Manning marable is it was a brilliant At Columbia. University who passed away just as he was publishing really one of the most the most important biography of Malcolm X. amount comex a life of reinvention. Here was for the project in was a minty of Manning, Maryland. But go ahead please is the TA has class and he used to make fun of me because he would get to these parts of his lectures. He was go hard on Alex Haley because of all the things that we've just talked about the autobiography is is a difficult text to rely on as a primary source for historical accuracy, right? It isn't saying that it's not true but they are just it's difficult. It's there. You have to understand how the Texas constructed to be able to understand what that history is and you know. Like. I understand that understand that like the things that Alex Haley did that made this a harder text to us as a primary source but I will say this about Alex Haley was a masterful storyteller in the sense of we talk about why this book works the book works because of Malcolm's testimony, it works because of Malcolm's life being how powerful it is how much it's still speaks to art like multiple generations who've going through some of these experiences but the book also works because it stands up as a piece of literature and that for that I think we have to credit Alex Haley. Look if you look at the manuscript that is at the Shamburg. So one of the early drafts of the manuscript, you see the marginal notes or comments from both Malcolm in Alex. Haley and there's this whole conversation happening between them. A Haley's telling Malcolm X. Like stop speechifying show don't tell isn't their story that can industry this. So he's like you know from your work as a writer as a storyteller is a filmmaker were powerful. If you can have a story that illustrates with the point, you're trying to drive home and Malcolm. At some points was so didactic was so interested at like making it plain and getting to the point he wasn't did you know sort of dressing it up in story Alex Haley new you needed to have something that would motivate in want people to turn the page, right like what causes someone to want to turn the page to WanNA cheap read to not put the book down. We can talk about this book as a piece of literature and you mentioned that it's a challenge to think about this book as a historical document source. Because Malcolm is telling his own story, but Malcolm is also a religious zealot and yeah. So there are moments where Malcolm is telling stories at I have found myself asking myself. Did Malcolm believe this or did Malcolm want us to believe is give you a specific example when McCain was imprisoned from nineteen, forty six until nineteen, fifty two. He joins the nation of Islam around nineteen fifty. He says that he was praying in his prison cell. And sees master for Muhammad who was the founder of the Nation of Islam and the person who the nation of Islam believes to be God in person. Yeah. Later by the end of the book. He no longer believes that Mastercard Muhammad is God in the flesh. He no longer believes that. So I wonder could have actually had at the often. If, later on, he doesn't even believe the guy was or the story was real. Yeah. Because to me if I if I had a vision of somebody who had never met before. And then later on I saw that person's pictures. That's the guy myself that I say it real hard to commits me that I didn't have it the. Or a conversely if I realized later on or if I come to believe leader or I'm not making any judgments by the nation of Islam Allergy. But if I came to believe that that story was no longer true I have to ask myself why did I think that thing before was telling the truth that I want to believe that was convincing. Myself was as part of the conversion literature I was trying to create for the reader. Some of these inconsistencies I think are just human nature or we just we just brag I might add a few more points per game with my basketball average when my kids asked me right but there's another way that I'm like. I don't know if this account is trustworthy. What do you say that I don't know if I have a single answer to that first of all I love that you brought that up because for people from for meeting people who haven't read the autobiography and maybe their their main introduction to Malcolm's life is spike Lee's film. To Spike Lee had the same trouble that you had with this scene because in in the film Spike Lee depicts the visage of Elijah. Muhammad, being the one that Malcolm imagines right for people have ever seen a picture of massive fraud Muhammed. He looks like a white man and spike Lee's probably like how am I gonNa Fight GonNa explain this in the the story that I've tried to. Tell but I think what you're raising is an important question that invites us to think more about what was the spiritually life of Malcolm's because. So much of what we think and and know about Malcolm is his sort of external representation, which is the EXO Tarik or the political or the material representation of his ideas that we don't really know much about his esoteric or spiritual experiences. and. Then his story is in general are materialist and embarrasses and are not comfortable talking about writing about the experiences of religious people. So how do I how do I deal with that one is I don't know and we don't know what description Malcolm had of either Elijah Muhammad or Malcolm X. at the time he was in prison when this experience happened. So I, I'm missed GONNA number one, I'm GonNa say he had an experience? Yeah. I'm GONNA accept that he had is if we're not willing to do that, then we gotta go all the way back to Paul on the road to the. Busy. We had go all the way back and start questioning all people's visions right so like unless we're ready to do that. I'm just going to accept that Malcolm had this experience. It's quite possible. You know. So this comes at a time where Malcolm is just introduced to the teachings of the Nation of Islam. He's going in deep right and he's fasting. He's struggling to pray these are things that are very new to him, and it was a very intense period in his life and he is. Being consciously through prayer yearning for an answer, right? He's writing to Elijah. Muhammad, writing for an answer he's yearning. So it is not unreasonable to accept for me that those yearnings that's driving that prayer as an expression of desire is manifested in a form of a vision. Now, I don't know what he saw. I. Don't know who he saw. I don't know that he knew what or who he saw at the time because he's trying to make meaning out of this executive I'm saying I. Felt like maybe retroactively retrospectively, he was like you know what? That's who that was, and then as a believer, it's exactly and I think that the fair to say about Malcolm without diminishing or missing the authenticity of the spiritual experience that he had with without a doubt a my intention isn't a question his his yeah. Neutral experience as much as it is to say, what does it mean to narrate your life as your beliefs are changing and how does that shape how we understand the story that you ultimately decide to tell but it's not just the veracity the Brassy Koreans about those kinds of things another interesting thing that's happening i. Think in the book and many memorable talks about this in his brilliant book. Malcolm life of reinvention is that Malcolm seems to be prone to exaggeration and Malcolm is a great storyteller and his Malcolm is telling a story of being street Hustler who hits the rock bottom of society before Kevin. This conversion experience in around nineteen fifty in prison Malcolm says things that certainly beef up the level of evil. He was engaged in the depths that he had sunk two. So Malcolm, for example, talk about being a kind of a street Hustler in Detroit when e kind of wasn't right and Malcolm tells the story of his mom not getting paid. Insurance Money after his dad who was a member of the under leash Marcus Garvey that he was killed by clansman and the and the and the Insurance Company refused to pay his mother which tells the story of just how evil white supremacy was in Jim. Crow America he tells these stories but when we scratching the surface and look at the archives, well, she was paid insurance and Malcolm wasn't the biggest street hustler. So again, I don't think Markham's lying but I do wonder how do we jive Malcolm sincere desire to? Convert the reader which was the initial goal of the book with what history teaches might not be exactly the case and it doesn't even matter. Well Yeah, and and so I think this is this is always been the challenge with the genre of black autobiography even going back to the slave narratives, which were some of the earliest versions of black autobiography, and there was always this challenge of what people call Xm clarity, which is, how do I tell my story so that my life is in exemplary lesson for the community. But do it in a way that I'm not so exemplary I become exceptional rights. How do you? How do you be the example without becoming the exception right and so to do that, there's a constant sort of dance between the individuals story and the community story, and so for me when you know sort of confronting those elements of the autobiography that may not apply to Malcolm's personal life is stand it to speak to this kind of larger social truths of the. Black experience in America at the time of the black communities experience. There's personal a- truth in there's like sociological truth. It was Malcolm never really wanted to talk about his life. Right? He wanted to to sort of rest the story on the sociological truths of Black America, and so this is both the sort of like my story in every man story that he's trying to accomplish one thing I will say you know I think as see as the text progresses. And as Malcolm's life progresses the weight of having to carry a whole nation or having to carry a whole community story begins to weigh down on him, and you begin to see the individual emerging and I think that that's sort of a natural trajectory for most people right in sort of coming into your own and so even the ways that he's sort of leaves, various affiliations, the affiliations with you as Detroit Red, the affiliations with prison be affiliations with the Nation of Islam. This is a process that amalgam is going through says. That we have to respect and I think one of the challenges would someone like Malcolm that that a lot of us faces that we sort of become very attracted to A. Phase of his life that we then sort of freeze in time, and this becomes for us the Malcolm or who Malcolm is but in fact, it was quite dynamic and in to the degree that the autobiography gestures to that I think it's really important nor absolutely, you talk about the versions of the book ends with Malcolm in Mecca and Malcolm tells a story of seeing. All kinds of. You know. I I'm just saying you know it's good. It's good. It's good. It's an interesting thing, right? Malcolm talks about his experience had met. Malcolm. is also has shabazz because he makes the pilgrimage of Hajj or hard, which is one of the religious obligations of the Muslim and he tells the story of seeing a kind of Islam that he had not previously seen. He talks about what it meant to drink water from his emmy talked about as he was doing the circuits around. The Kaaba, which is the holiest site in the slum he in Mecca he talks about seeing these things with white Muslims and yellow Muslims, Brown Muslims, and he ends up telling a story of how he came to see Islam differently, and in some ways how it animates his move departure away from the nation of Islam's the allergy which presumes that the white man is the devil by nature. Right, and that Islam is primarily for black people and is designed for black people and and all these sorts of things and again you know I think about that it's like all two things one of course, Malcolm it been to before he'd seen white muscles before. Mark. Malcolm traveled in fifty nine before he traveled in sixty four but also it seemed again like at the beginning Malcolm. was seeing having the Athens of master fraught, Muhammad when it was in the service of advancing the nation argument and by the end he he's celebrating white Muslims in this kind of Disney narrative of being converted to the right type of Islam. Again, that is Alex Haley in desire to tell a great story and how much of that is Malcolm being so invested in his beef with the Nation at the time that he kinda flattened out some of that complexity I think mouth I'm had enough antic hajj experience and for anyone and I haven't been blessed to make that journey. But in all of the people that have talked to who have made their journey, it is deeply deeply impactful. We should just late at as the base of this sort of part of the conversation. That said Malcolm was at a point in his life as you've pointed out where he was trying to reframe his presentation of him, his representation Manning marable uses the word reinvent and you know people all upset about it. I don't find anything problematic about that idea he of of him to reintroduce himself in a different way you know Malcolm wrote letters that you know the famous letter from. Mecca, which was technically written from Jeddah. After he had completed, the highs reprinted in the autobiography. He didn't write one letter. He wrote the letter in had been issued as a press release for Muslim mosque INC, which was the organization that he had founded after he left the nation of Islam he wrote copies of data letter to reporters to journalists to activist to community people i. mean he really wanted people to know this these these letters are in circulation and they all as pretty much the same thing. He was his own sort of PR machine in that I'm just doing a press release I'm issuing a statement and I want as many people as possible to know this and so he very much wanted this to be a major sign post in his life story He he definitely wanted to be that said you know he wanted that to be because he wanted to further signify his break from the nation of Islam. He wanted to create openings for people who were in the the more traditional civil rights movement to see that they were points of entry that he could work with them. But even when you look at that letter, he's very precise in his use of language because there's The line that he famously uses an I compare Malcolm's letter from from after highs to Martin's I have a dream speech just because you know people use them for the same reasons right? Like people talk about the dream part of like I have a dream that my children your children go walk hand in hand nobody quotes the part of the. I. Have a dream speech where he talked about a promissory note what is owed? Similarly, when people talk about Malcolm's letter for after highs, they talk about this phrase where he's like I sat with Muslims with the whitest of white skin blonde the blonde hair and blue blue eyes and we felt like we were brothers and you know when you read the letter Malcolm puts white in quotes right leasing white he puts whites in quotes. You know he says, Islam had has sort of removed the whiteness from that right? This is not Malcolm giving white people I get out of jail free card, but it does. But. This is out. You know this is Malcolm shifting from what was a sort of genetic understanding of whiteness. You know with Yaqoob history in the nation of Islam the allergy to an understanding of whiteness, a socially constructed identity that was still deeply problematic whiteness steel was problematic. The reason why he experienced he said this brotherhood that he experienced was because the white has sort of been mitigated against or remove by Islam. Now we could. We can say like, well, you know as each sort of appealing to these idea of race blind Islam and and I think that that's an important conversation habit. I I WANNA point out that the the letter from Azure was a letter that signal Malcolm Joe decades before whiteness studies ever takes flight that he becomes e- comes to understand white as a socially constructed identity that is deeply deeply problematic as an impediment to a brotherhood inequality that experience by all people. So he is not saying, I'M GONNA sit with white people whereas white people and chill. He's like I'm assuming you've done some work on that whiteness me exact? No no, it's an important point in an apparent distinction you're making it's not that he suddenly turned into some Disney commercial about white people. But. But it is the theological shift to be sure and it might be all kinds of reasons for it. So it's just a fascinating thing. We think about why he might do it. What do you see the enduring legacy of this of this book? It's funny. The book has its own history. You know the book came out in October as you said, eight months after Malcolm had been assassinated. If you read some of the obituaries that were written in the so-called mainstream press on the day after Malcolm was killed, they were brutal I mean just downright Nasty Parsons of the ghetto someone who used his talents for evil. This is like the New York Times right I think Time magazine called him a demagogue just making mockery someone who preach violence you know no surprise he died by violence. And then eight months later, the book comes out and these some of these same publications mind your different writers, different editorial policies. But some of these tank up -cations are doing a reassessment of how they understand Malcolm Eloquent spokesperson a story you must read it was critically acclaimed and you know the book came out in October Nine, hundred, sixty, five a few. Months after the passage of the voting rights, act which many people sort of regard as the sort of final major piece of legislation in the the civil rights movement. When people sort of period is a civil rights movement, they do nineteen, fifty, four Brown versus board to Nineteen Sixty five voting rights act rush, and then there's like shift obviously that happens now for. People who studied the Black Freedom Movement. We see this as all part of the Black Freedom Movement but in the later months of nineteen, sixty, five in early sixty six, you have the burgeoning expression of the black freedom movement in the form of black power, you have the formation of the Black Panther Party in nineteen, sixty, six, one of their you know. Kind of founding thinkers eldridge cleaver talks about reading the autobiography of Malcolm X. Right. So this book's legacy this book has raised revolutionaries. This book has raise activists. This book has inspired so many people. This book is really the book that gives Malcom his afterlife in addition to the speeches that were published that were in circulation is the autobiography of Malcolm X. It. Brings Malcolm X. homes into classrooms into prison cells into street corners into all of these spaces that Malcolm was not able to reach while he was alive in certainly after he had been killed and so the book is Malcolm's afterlife, and then for many of us, the book is ours to write because we are. So I mean the book is so deeply. Inspiring, and it's the kind of book that you put it down it continues to write into you. Right. It's a book that continues to inscribe the principles that Malcolm represented whether you're most attracted to the personal story of transformation of constant self, critical reflection and development or your tractor to the more sociological story of this deep searing critique of white supremacy and the. Need to mobilize an organiz across all kinds of boundaries in order to fight it or you take it all in this book is carrying that and you after you put it down continues to speak to you and I think that is the legacy of the outer. Banks is Malcolm X. and it is a deep beautiful legacy and fifty five years after. The book was published continues to matter it will continue to be part of our conversation here. Thank you so much for joining. How can people reach you hearken find your Social Zahir Ali at twitter primarily at z. h. e. e. r. ally Kumon. Thank you so much for joining us now. Thank you. Thank you so much for inviting needs to do this. 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Debate Weeds: Ezra and Matt on the long-awaited Democratic presidential debate

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Debate Weeds: Ezra and Matt on the long-awaited Democratic presidential debate

"So sorry. So sorry. That's okay. Just spit milky coffee. All. So it's really good back in the studio. Hello, welcome to another episode of the weeds on the box media podcast network. I Matthew yglesias joined today by Ezra Klein, I guess, in, in the new format as Alica expert. All right. The interview I'm not the panel. That's great technically. It's, it's our show. So we, we can do. But so okay. There's a lot of democratic debate lately. It was, I would say most the commentary on this has been pretty horse race. He in some ways deservedly so because it was like twenty people part of the horse race. But I mean like h just like a big question here in, like a huge field of twenty people is like, who will be like a real candidate later in the process, who we really like dig deep in, but there was like some policy ground staked out. And this is the weeds a lot of we want to talk about it. And I think to me the most striking thing was the very large number of Democrats who agreed with leeann Castro proposal to repeal section thirteen twenty five of, I guess, the immigration naturalization act because both like Beddoes for futile to agree to this was like everybody. Agreed like a catastrophic moment for his candidacy and then tons of people signed up for it. And this is like. A completely unfamiliar policy topic that land a couple of days before the debate Elizabeth Warren had indoor had endorsed, right? So what is it? So, like two weeks ago, I had no idea, but okay. So since Aera, which we have talked about many times, with Dera on this podcast in the mid nineteen ninety s the American government for the first time created a specific crime of entering the United States illegally. Right. So previously, it had been that, like it wasn't legal to enter illegally. And that meant various things followed from being present in the country, without legal authorization. But there wasn't like a crime of it. But in nineteen Ninety-six this crime was created. It was against a civil code though. Wait. I mean but in the in, like the general sense that like to open a restaurant you to get a permit. Right. And so, like if you don't have a permit right that's legal and like they'll shut your restaurant down. Right. Right. But what this changed was that. In addition to, you could be. Ported because you weren't here illegally. There was here legally wait. There's also a crime and they could prosecute you for the crime of illegal entry. This does not happen in practice. An enormous amount, right? Like the standard deputation process is they deport you. They don't like the American government's goal is not to have unauthorized people in American jails, but it is an option that is available to prosecutors. And in particular, it was the when we talk about like the family separation policy of the Trump administration, but was happening there on a technical basis. Is that at the authorized border crossings, they were doing metering, right? So they were saying, like people can't come at the legal ports of entry and apply for asylum. So then people would cross the border between the points of entry, and try to make a Silom claims there. And the Trump administration was saying, no when you come across between the ports of entry we are going to cross. Acute you for the crime of illegal entry, and then because you were being prosecuted for a crime. You go to pretrial detention, and then because you're in pretrial detention we don't normally send children into jail, right? So you become separated from your parents. And so this is entered the discourse, as family separation and almost everybody agrees that the family separation was horrifying. And like the Trump administration backed down from it. So if you were to imagine Democrats, standing up there, putting their hands up being like do you want to make sure that this family separation? Never happens again. And all the gets held the hands up ever would be like that is an incredibly banal debate moment. I have rarely seen something so banal demographic universally rejecting. A Trump administration policy, that was so hideously unpopular that Trump himself abandoned within thirty six hours. Re framing it as we are going to decriminalize crossing the border, suddenly, it's like a very unfamiliar, and, like, I don't want to say it's unpopular because it's so outlandish that as far as I know nobody has ever pulled it. But like it doesn't sound good in you're going to be up there with Trump has been saying for years, that the democratic position on immigration amounts to open borders, and what Castro proposed in Warren agreed to, and then got everybody else to agree to like he really isn't open, not everybody. We should say, yes, but a number of candidates on the two stages, and something I noticed in the second debate was that it was even less dissension over it than in the first, like people had watched Beto get his butt handed to him on this, and decided not to be in his by. And in particular, like Joe Biden, right? Z elected. Ability candidate who knows that people on the left are going to complain about him. No matter what he does. Right. Because like on the left don't want Joe Biden to be the nominee, because Joe Biden is like not a die hard left winger. I had expected him to like spend twelve hours prepping on this, so that unlike Beto yes, he could be a of the position he could say, here's what my Joe Biden mind, meld, I was waiting for it to be like, listen. I care about the interests of millions of long-settled undocumented people in the United States, me, and Barack, like we fought for comprehension immigration reform. We fought to prioritize criminals, we fought for DACA. We fought for Dapo like this is like hard work but it's incredibly important, and we've been driving at it for years. And I think it would be incredibly irresponsible to the interests of those people to completely derail this quest in favor of a luck. I thought Bernie Sanders who has the credibility on the left sometimes to not go rather candidates on the left go might do the same thing. I mean, I've talked to centers about open borders, and he he's, he's a borders guy. Bernie Sanders has during his career looked at immigration with some scepticism feels it really cuts wages of native born, workers borders is a coke brothers plot. So my point is not that he was certain. But I thought both Biden and Sandoz for different reasons both at their leading in the polls. But also that for different reasons. They have the ability to stand up to some of these trends. They're not like a lower tier candidate trying to trying to jump a couple levels in the in the debate, my might say, like no, we're not actually going as a journalist. This is like always, like my worst nightmares. Because like I can imagine writing a billion fact checks, and explainers like twelve to eighteen months from now about, how like, okay, but you can still be deported. Right. So like on the one hand, it really isn't open. It's not. And on the other hand like it's not that help. Awful to be rarely in the very specific context of this family, separation thing. Like the fact that this law was on the books made a big difference. But family separation was actually, one of the rare instances. There are a lot of things. We're like, Trump has found odd legal loopholes laying around like this emergency economic Powers Act and like national security tariffs on European cars and stuff and exploited the loopholes and a lot of people have been like. Whoa. That goes against the norms and families on family separation like that, actually worked like keep back downs. Okay. So let's, let's put a pin infamous operation, because an thirteen twenty-five because I want to draw a kind of picture and underlying dynamic the debate. So then something happens both nights is I should say the way the debate moderators approach to debate and this was the first of the democratic debates was. He did not want people to explain their policies. They were looking for like the seams in the democratic arguments. Every every single question, more or less was. Hey, we know you support like liberal policies. But do you support the most unpopular part of every one of those policies, not how does it like? What do you want to do on healthcare, or how does Medicare for all work? But raise your hand, if you want to abolish private insurance and so- night, one, you have importantly Warren, raise her hand alongside. It was warned into Blasios or the Bossio and Warren, raising rammed is important here because she's been holding. She does not have her own healthcare plan. Yeah. And she's been holding to a Bernie's plan. There are a lot of ways to get to Medicare for all. I'm I'm not gonna like pin, myself only to one that's been creating some frustration. Like Jackson's been hitting her for it. I mean, there's been a, a sense of her being fuzzy in this place of, of real important to liberals. But no she like raises. Her hand says, Healthcare's basic human, right? I fight for basic human rights. I wasn't shocked because my interview with her about a month ago I asked her about markets and healthcare, and she said, Nope, it just doesn't work. They're like healthcare is a basic human. Choose could beginning to work on this answer. But she it felt to me that, that week, Warren's team looking at their polling had decided there's going to be no room to our left. Like there's going to be no space for Sanders on our left, like we are going to take the abolish private insurance lane with him, we're gonna endorse who in Castro on thirteen twenty-five like there's going to be nowhere. You can go on our left. Like that's not that's not going to be a vulnerability for us. So the second night, then this comes up again. And of course, Sanders raises his hand on it and come la- Harris raises their hand on it point is this ends up becoming a debate about abolishing private insurance. Not really about Medicare for all, but about this, quite again, unpopular part of this, otherwise quite popular policy, but then it gets taken a couple a couple other directions. There's another one of these raise your hands if questions which is healthcare for undocumented immigrants, which this is something broke, Obama, very, specifically wrote out of the Affordable Care Act, then there was that whole thing which Wilson yelled during the speech, you lie and it's been efforts on this California's been looking for an ObamaCare. Waiver for a couple years, shut a at undocumented immigrants to their plan. But every democrat on the stage races, or hand on this, and I want to say for the record, I think this is obviously good policy. I think that and Buddha. Judge predicted by the way, tried to walk a line on it, where he says, look, doesn't he basis it doesn't mean they get subsidies. But of course, it can buy in the undocumented immigrants. One are human beings to our people who handle our food, and care for our children and ride. The bus with us idea that like disease cares about your citizenship papers. It's crazy. You don't want to catch anything like the whole thing is just like a, a weird. Like I want to catch a flu despite my face policy, but anyway, it's quite unpopular. It's been like a third rail and healthcare for a long time in liberal policy circles, and every democrat endorses it, this is then what Donald Trump tweets about after the debate, and then there's a moment where Bernie Sanders says, and just to be clear Medicare for all will, of course, pay for abortions, which, again, I think, is reasonable in actually good policies, what you see in other countries but overall what you saw was the democratic fueled moving. Like quite far to the left on a lot of policies. And then the candidates who didn't want to do that. Like Bennett, a Hickenlooper Delaney, they get no traction Biden doesn't want to create space on his off. So he's not picking any of these fights. And so overall like the whole field shifted in the direction of I would say opening a lot of owner abilities for the general election. And I yes, I agree with that. I just I was surprised like a thing that candidates often have done in debates in the past is attack the moderators, and I wish that you didn't see that there. Right. 'cause I understand what the Monterey you're doing. My we are media personalities. I have been known to, like, try to create entertainment in a discussion of politics. Right. And so, essentially what they were doing for four hours across two nights was a series of like shit tests for Democrats winning for president. Right. Like they were not trying. To explore the once is of Medicare for all they were like very deliberately saying, okay, I am going to take the most unfavourable framing of policy issues, and I'm going to put you in a difficult position of either embracing an unpopular framing of your own policy or else, creating tension between you and Bernie Twitter. It's not like I don't know it's a moderators prerogative to use their time that way if that's what they want. But like it's also the candidate's prerogative to like push back on that, right? Like which Harris did a little bit, not in one of these raise your hand questions. But the first moment where you really saw like her command of the debate was, she got the third question, and the first who were these same kind of, like, how will you pay for it? And then it goes to, to Harrison's, like, how will you pay for all of these free calls yet? And she says, you know I didn't hear you all asking that question when Donald Trump way passing passes for top one percent. And it may not literally be true that MSNBC wasn't asking that question time. But it was very effective. Retorted look. You said right in the second night Harrison that very genuinely you know, I watched last night's debate I watched one hour of the debate, then I watched a second hour of the debate. And then I watched one hour of this debate, I want, you guys ask no questions about what we are going to do to help millions of Americans who don't have health insurance. I watch no questions about what you're gonna do for millions of Americans who want to afford prescription drugs. No questions about what you wanna do for senior citizens who struggle with Medicare, gaps. Right. I would like to tell people what I am going to do about all of that. What I am going to do about all of that is creating Medicare for all plan. The Medicare for all plan is going to have no premiums. It's gonna have no deductibles. It's going to have no cost sharing. And like, yes, it is true that because you are going to be able to see any doctor in America with no deductible at no cost sharing, you are not going to buy a secondary. Private insurance. Plan to me that is common sense. The way you phrased it is, obviously designed to make me look bad. I get it like all's fair in love and war. But, like, honestly, I think what's important here is the millions of Americans who are struggling to afford health insurance white like the immigration stuff is a little different. But like on healthcare, like. How important topic, right? Listen general one about about what one thing to be like media critic for a minute is, I think this made for debate those quite hard to follow for people because the narrator, the moderators were looking for narrow questions that would create these this kind of conflict. They were getting into things that were very complicated. Fall. There was another one on the first night about would you restore the Iran deal? Exactly. As it had been before, which is like a weird, like let's run on the table, you would have a new negoti head, Cory Booker, say, well, like it's a good deal. But, like, of course, it'll be a new negotiation normal. She'll be like, like, what do you think about Iran? Right. And so there just wasn't a lot of that. And so, you know, most people are not paying that much attention to the campaign. Like these debates are the first exposure, a lot of folks are gonna get to the candidates. It's not a problem, I think to at some point try to explore the divisions between them. But for the only thing you do to be exploring the divisions between them. I think both is it just makes it hard to follow debate, even aside from everything else, because you end up in these. Tactical parts of the of the answers that said, one thing you saw underneath the debate was a real feeling that the only way to win in the party right now is to is to move pretty hard to the left and something that's interesting about that. Is it given Biden's like continued position atop the field? We've seen obviously posted a polling but he has held it for quite some time. It's not really obvious. That's true. Right. The whole thing is holding on Bernie Sanders is ground. But whether or not like Bernie Sanders Brock Obama understood the Democratic Party better is interesting and Obama if you go back to await much like Clinton and others, like very much had of you that there were limits on what the population would accept from Democrats. Right. Obama, always with somebody who had a sense that if you go too far you're going to lose like voters in the middle. And so he tried to not go too far. I mean, he you know, at least in the campaign, you know, wouldn't support the individual mandate, he did not have a single payer healthcare plan, Bill he was somebody who I think, to discredit at this point. But nevertheless, really pushed for. Abortour security in deportations approach on immigration to build credibility, that would get you a conference of deal. Now, some of what you're seeing reflects a sense of that kind of politics has failed. And I think it's an interesting dynamic within at least elite circles in the Democratic Party. But nevertheless, it's created a push that I think is, is pretty profound, too often. We don't really know how that will play out, and we also don't know how much the policies that they are taking are going to be held to. Here's where I wanna complain about. Joe Biden, right? Because there is clearly like it is just not true that the Democratic Party is composed at its rank and file level of hard left, ideologue swayed and like we see time and again. Right. When Andrew Cuomo ran against Cynthia Nixon in New York, in a liberal blue state, like he won handily against her, right? When Dianne Feinstein got a challenge from the left from forgotten. His name at the state Senate president. But he was it was important there because her challenger was the president of the California, state Senate. Not the star of sex in the city. Right. A totally credible. Let one challenger and he lost the again pretty badly in, in a blue state. Right. You have insurgent wins. Right. See one in queens. This woman one at Coban one this queens, DA Presley Massachusetts. Yeah. And oppressively. So you know, left wins in, in certain places, but it's very common for dual, so you win in Michigan. Democratic primary exactly exactly. Which is very common for more moderate Democrats to win a primary. Right Biden is in a weird may so position as a candidate which is as former vice president of the United States. He is such a strong contender that he sucks up the support of a very large number of people who would be inclined to support a more moderate democrat. But at the same time he's like a hundred seventeen years old. He is embroiled in like not like an unwillingness to. Provide free abortions for illegal immigrants, but like controversies about working with segregationists in the nineteen seventies, and he's not a as strong. I think potentially a face for that kind of politics as some of the other people in the field, but it's really really hard, right? Like the candidates were more left wing than Biden can like take him on. But it's very challenging for Amy klobuchar to just like make the argument that, like you should just have me stand up for these positions. But like be a younger person with a more modern sensibility about the world and like less weirdness to algebra for the seventies, and it would be healthier, I think, to have that because there's a bunch of people like not unreasonable candidates like Hickenlooper club chart, Michael Bennet. But I think this is literally what Buddha judges doing. I interesting thing about Buddha judge. He's he really doesn't get into this competition. So he doesn't do the Medicare for all. Balls. Private insurance. Like his view is like I am a younger person who's, like more inspiring who is of a mainstream, Obama style, democrat, and you should vote for me. And I was actually struck by the degree to which he didn't try to sort of move to anybody's left on policy. I thought he did a nice job in the debates and he's, but I think he's like coming in a weak position. I'd given the, the shooting in south bend. But I was really struck by I think of everybody he is in a way making the most direct play for Biden's, Elaine by sort of, like running Obama. Oh, eight candidacy himself. I, I don't think he is. He he is not. Well, am I think you'd have a lot of trouble putting that coalition? But I do think it's notable that when these things come up even in the healthcare for undocumented immigrants. A question went to him and he walked it back. Right. He said, yeah, but it's not like they're going to get covered through subsidies. They could just buy in. But here's was interesting because I've sat down with some people talk about how they. Hey, in polling terms are seeing what's, what's going on here, and demographically, right, conceptually it feels like Warren and Sanders are playing in the same place. And that may be Buttigieg Biden are, but in terms of voting base, if like Warren Buddha, judge have the same voter. Right. There's incredible fluidity but we had super orange supporters and Buddha Jewish supporters, and I was told him particular that like Buddha, Jewish supporters are the most Akita in people, so there was incredible overrepresentation of Buda judge fans in the audience for the first debate right, which he wasn't in and they were super impressed with Elizabeth Warren. Right. Because like he wasn't there. Right. And there's also like people don't know this, but there's like incredibly dense like interpersonal network ties between Warren Buddha judge. Yes. Which is credited incredibly dense, interpersonal. Steph. Yes, I mean, and it's problematic in way, but so like sociologically like Warren, ISM, and Buddhism are very similar and by the same token, Sanders and Biden, both have much more of a working class constituency. And at this point, Bernie over indexes on African American support, which is different from how it was in two thousand sixteen. I mean his overall support is lower. Right. But what Bernie has mostly lost since two thousand sixteen is white voters, and he's made some gains with African Americans as it's become like a better known more seen as like a Democratic Party type presence. So it's a bit of a curious thing, like I think we all know that like voters, don't really vote on policy, but, like the candidates really are talking a lot about policy seemingly in the hopes of winning votes. That, that in itself is like it's its own strange dynamic, because I'm not really sure what anyone is accomplishing out there. And it's, it's striking to me to, like, how many issues have gone off the stage in a kind of odd way like almost nobody like talked about, how like Donald Trump is a bad president or let's, let's take a break, and then come back and talk about this. And so the more rigorous way, okay. Ten years of probation sent me back many many, many times on my way to success. 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Subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. We should just go through some of the candidates on their own and just talk about sort of what they did in the debate pretty similar to the top tier. Once I wanted to start here with Kamala Harris who is far and away. I think the breakout star from the debates. Yeah, I think that it's important to, to get the backdrop of Harris. I don't think I've ever seen a politician. Jesse quite like hers in the sense of it. The number kind of party has love. Attornal schism. It has Bernie voters who don't like sort of the democratic establishment, it has Hillary Clinton voters who don't like Bernie Sanders. It has a Bob and rotation. People who don't like Elizabeth Warren it has. You know, folks from a younger and more diverse party who don't want to be represented by an old white, man. It's got all these things inside a quite diverse coalition that make it somewhat hard to hold together. And the thing about Harris has been, she's quitting new on the national scene. And if you've created a candidate no lab who maybe could hold us together. She's a sort of candidate, you would create but candidate who look on paper often don't perform, well under the lights. And so there's been this burgling question. There are a lot of parts of the party that want to embrace Harris, but there's been this. Can she do it question around her writing to she'll be seen that much of her? She does a nice job in Senate hearings, but she's only been in so many of them, having only been the Senate for a couple of years, but she didn't have like the Obama two thousand and four DNC speech, right? Nobody quite knows. How she can perform and in this debate, like she just walked in and owned it and, and she in particular did something really sharp, which is she walked in and she took apart. Joe Biden now, usually people don't go, particularly in the upper tiers of the campaign. They don't really co- negative quite this early because you know why why risk it. But what she did was she took on Joe Biden in a way. That was the real message of it. I thought was if I can do is to him. Look what I could do to Donald Trump. I'm like, can't you imagine me in the debate with Donald Trump taken apart that old white guy, too? Yeah. And what she like it was a very, very effective attack on Biden sort of using bussing and using her own personal experience, it both sort of, like offered sort of note about who she is, and what she has come through, and what she can speak to, and also it exposed, a lot of weakness on Joe Biden's part. Not just weakness in terms of he's got old positions to answer for, but weakness, and that he's not prepared to answer for them, right? She also exposed was just the proper, Tori and performance of weakness on bite. It's part, we'll see if it matters in the polls often times, these things don't matter as much as you think they will, but in terms of sort of, like elite like how is Joe binding gone yet, for him is his age going to show like, you know, is he going to be able to kind of knock this stuff back? He took a lot of questions that were there and open them quite a bit further. And so what you have right now is that they get a lot of candidates who cruelly could represent a faction of the party, but Harris has always been like the part like the candidate. You would imagine being a party decides candidate, the candidate, a lot of different groups could agree on, if only she could show them that she could bear that weight, and she began showing that she could bear that weight, I think, all that I just to issue a note of dissent in a day, where I think most of the coverage is like, extremely pro comma, I think the electability worries that have been in the neighborhood of Elizabeth Warren, like really should apply to come Harris where I'd like when you were. Talking about like Harris is democratic coalition candidate like that's all correct. And I think almost like catastrophically so that it's like you need to imagine a person who is not strongly identified, but the Democratic Party who are they gonna want to vote for in general election. Do you or do you need to amount? I mean going back there's a theory that you have to win the white working class. But also, if Clinton had had a bama's turnout among African Americans, he would've won. Yes. And if she would've won I'm sorry, that, that would be a case for Harris, if you think that she will deliver that whatever I don't wanna like rule it out. But, like Harris had kind of, like, gone out of the top tier and therefore didn't get that kind of elevated scrutiny that they'd be able to get there. But like, you know, she's been in California, politics, her Big Joe Biden takedown was like it was about race. Right. And she is not right. Like Obama was the black politician who spent all this time. Time, telling white people about how he wasn't like one of those politicians, right? And like Harris has not done that I got to see you know what I mean. Like an interesting thing about Harris, it, we'll see how she plays it one thing we were talking about Biden earlier, was that he has of yet is not. He's not holding the line on some of the things you might expect Mojo, Lennon, somebody's been striking to me about her is it actually is. Yeah. She's got a lot of scrutiny about her prosecutorial record. Yes. Where she is a democrat who is still from a period of time. She frames herself as a progressive prosecutor, which in many ways, she was, but also prosecutors are tougher. She does hold to the view that crime is bad, and this affect good to arrest criminals, which I always, appreciate and, and so I will see my John is not that, like Harris will definitely win in twenty twenty five point is more than coming out of this. I think it reshuffled the sense of like what is top like binding. Looks a lot weaker and Harris why would say was in? I think that it's an eight cell for. He's had this sort of weird tears. It was like she was in like. Tier to be paying. But I think it like it's a jump up right? She's now, like I, I would say, maybe two a or one b. Pro Harris, which is I have found because of a minute. No, eight about the other candidates on the score that like Harris seems to give the most thought to the literal question of what she would do as prestigious like she has this, like, maybe illegal gun control idea. Her signature legislation is like, well crafted to qualify for budget reconciliation income tax credit, rather than like asserting that. She's going to end filibusters or something. She's like thinking about the actual problems, which I do find I wanted to one of the thing on her because we were talking about the Medicare stuff earlier and Harris, the thing that happened initially when she came into the campaign in the CNN town halls. And by the way, the debates kind of make me nostalgic, for the CNN town halls with their with their depth is that, you know, she got kind of tied up in this, abolish private insurance thing. And then she kind of walked that back over time, then it looked like last night, she had like gun like way back into it. And then she got another question, but the question about this. Quite unusually phrased. Yup. And so she says that like the way she interpreted, it was would you give up your own insurance for this? She actually may still be holding to the fuzz, the sides of this a little bit, which I actually don't think it'd be an unwise strategy to okay. So I want to talk about Bernie Sanders. I feel like I am one of the only people in America who is warmer to the Bernie twenty twenty campaign that I was to the Bernie sixteen feel that way. Okay. Frustrates me that I don't feel like he's like trying to win the election. I don't understand what's going on out there because a lot of these other candidates. Right. You're talking about like Buddha judge. He's a huge star. That means he's pulling eight percent, right. So like a good performance. For for mayor Pete is like get to eleven percent. Right. You have other people out there like nobody knows who the fuck Jay Inslee is right. So he's just like trying to get attention. Right. But everybody knows who Bernie Sanders is right. He's an out there. For a long time. He ran a strong campaign in two thousand sixteen. He got a lot of people to vote for him, but it was not enough people to win the election. So now what he has to do is, like, not literally repeat himself time. And again, but, like address arguments, that are relevant to voters in two thousand twenty or not currently supporting him. And like I would love to hear him. Say explicitly, for example, that like one good thing about Bernie Sanders is that, yes, it is true, that some of his economic policy ideas, the media, finds kooky, but one nice thing about that is it means that with Bernie Sanders, you get a debate about the concrete material interests of the American people rather than about, like Donald Trump's, like racist circus. He kind of said that I would say, I just like I you give an answer on the on the demeaned field where he just said, yeah. The way we win against Donald Trump. Is we expose them for a fraud on economics in a way, that has not been done yet? I think the difficulty Bernie Sanders. Up there last night and I'll say like you I'm much warmer to him. But, but on concrete things one, I think, at twenty sixteen Bernie Sanders actually politician, I've always liked. I've covered him for a long time. Like, like I think you like I've reputation of being hard on him. And I'm I try to be tough on candidates plans, when they're a little one, but I've always liked him as a politician. He's always said, a lot of interesting things, and as a presidential candidate, then you have this sort of, like different level of scrutiny. How do you run your policy interests? What kind of staff do you attract since two thousand sixteen he's pulled in a lot of really strong staff. He's really stepped up his game on foreign policy. Anyway, they actually think separates them from the rest of the field and important way. And he's like tightened a lot of the policies if he was running on. So I think there's a lot to be said there, the thing about the, the two nights of debates. It was really striking. Bernie Sanders ideas one those debates, I mean, they set the terms of the whole conversation, I mean, that was on free college. It was drawn on Medicare for all the way Bernie Sanders distinguishes himself and distinguish himself in two thousand sixteen was at, he's the only guy supports these, like kooky. Left wing ideas. But now that they're not kooky, left wing ideas. Now that every candidate has either adopted them or has adopted some kind of like weaponized counter. It's much harder for him to distinguish himself. So he's actually left like trying to stand out on, on style and approach, and like calls for political revolution. And he just had a lot more trouble having already set the terms of the debate he had, like, four his ideas. He had trouble resetting it for him. Oftentimes, it seemed like Kamla Harris was winning a debate over Bernie Sanders ideas with Bernie Sanders like spending over there, on the stage or the same thing was true in the different with, with Warren. The farm policy bees, though is important, because, like unlike all the stuff they talk about, like this is what the president actually nailed Joe Biden on that. Yeah. No, no. No. That was best moment, the debate. Yes. No, no, no. I agree with that, and it's weird that this, like Biden takedown happened over this somewhat obscure, nineteen s bussing incident because like the foreign policy to me seems like Joe Biden's. Like on the merits. Like this is what gives me pause about Joe Biden, which is that, like, I covered not like prehistoric Joe Biden, but, like modern day, Joe Biden, vice president, Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations committee, Joe Biden, and, you know, he's nice guy. He's smart. He knows a lot of world leaders, but when questions would arise that prominent Democrats disagreed about right like more often than not, Joe Biden was on the wrong side of that disagreement like the Nancy Pelosi chaired the intelligence committee and Joe Biden chaired, the foreign relations committee, Nancy Pelosi as chair of a relevant committee decided that George W Bush was on the wrong track. Joe Biden decided he was on the right track. Right Biden came out with this plan. At some point that the only possible solution was to partition Iraq. Right. And like that wasn't right. Biden, Biden was right. I think inside. Side, the Obama administration's debate about the F, ghanistan, certainly it's not like a cartoon who's like, like blundering every step of the way. So, like he was right on that one. But I think he was Ford, the Libyan direction, which, which I, I don't agree with. It was against if I remember the. Right. So like. I don't know inside internal Obama administration is all foreign policy, but he was against doing ObamaCare that scale. So, like I have no idea whether Cory Booker would make good farm policy decisions under pressure. I've never heard addressed the topic. But like, we has like an extensive track record of this, and like, it's worse than coin flip, and that's the his answer on this. So he got this question from Rachel natto, basically having been on the wrong side of, of Iraq. Why should we trust your foreign policy views? His answer to me, was his by far worse moment, the debate, I know they'll be his most damaging but it was a one that revealed the most we so I didn't make any sense. He had to know this was coming. This is the obvious question asked Joe Biden, it's also come up before. Right. Like Comey came up in two thousand and eight it's come up since then what he said was he kinda like hitched a little bit at the beginning, it was hard to follow. But what he then said, was after George W Bush, like abuse of power, I gave him or help to give him. I was elected with Obama and Obama, turn to me. And he said Joe, you need to pull the troops out of Iraq, and then I pulled them including my son one hundred and fifty thousand troops out of Iraq. And so a few things on this one this thing that Biden is doing which I do get the politics of where it's like the way the Obama recession worked was a Bama, had a thing you wanna do, like Joe you do it. And then every time Joe, just like personally like drove everybody. That's not true. Like, that's not how any of this worked. But the second thing is the theory of the Joe Biden candidacy is that he is a successor to Obama's presidency and to be the successor. The thing that you want to do is be the person on the stage who are flexible Emma's thinking best, right? Like you had Obama as president, you would like to have him as, as president again, like Joe Biden is your next best thing, Joe Biden on doing that. He didn't give an answer that said, you know, I think Brock Obama was right about this and I was wrong. And what I learned from that is that, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever it might have been a theory of foreign policy in theory of measuring intervention. In other countries, he's not running as over. To. He's running with Obama's shield was not the guy on the stage. Who sounds like Brock Obama. That's probably Pete Buddha hedge or something. It's maybe in some ways, Kamala Harris, like he's running as the guy who like hides behind Brock Obama and that's subtly different like for you here at the first four times. Like, yeah, that's smart. Like Joe Biden is I defending Obama or like mentioning that he worked with Obama and then you realized that at no point is he actually really echoing Obama. He's just sort of using it as a protective device, and I don't think that's gonna wear well, like he actually either needs a good argument of his own, or he needs Obama's good arguments, but this thing, recyc- my bad arguments don't matter because I served behind somebody, but that's a really good case for electing Barack Obama, but it's not a very good case for like, Joe Biden, and I do think I will be interested to see whether anybody ever puts this point more squarely. Because like I I've talked to a number of older working class people democrat. That's like Joe Biden, and they always cite this like Obama thing. And, and I feel like you reflect on their part. A not super attentive person's understanding of what the role of vice president is right. And so, like Biden was a ticket balancing pick. Yes site now, like always a foil, Obama likes Joe Biden Obama's team respect still Biden. They think he made valuable contributions to their team, but it was a complimentary pieces selection like deliberately. Right. It was an effort to show that, like Barack Obama is not alarmingly woke that, like he will hang out with this gas prone older. White guy from Pennsylvania, right? Like it wasn't like here's my double. Right. Wasn't a Clinton Gore pick? It wasn't if you love Barack Obama, you will also love Joe Biden. It was actually if you have serious, doubts about Barack Obama, you will find job is reassurance. Yes. Any worked like he was a good pick, like it was it made the Obama. Ticket stronger, and it arguably made the Obama administration stronger. But what is not true. Is that if you are a Barack Obama superfan, you should draw from that the conclusion that, like, Joe Biden is the next best thing, it's like it's literally, the opposite of that, right? It's like you wouldn't run an Obama Booker ticket because that would be pointless. And this is why in two thousand sixteen the Obama world and a co co here on by that. I mean, I did reporting on this, always I, I didn't get to use a piece because by them like firmly dropped out of Arca published, but I talked to a bunch of people in Alabama world to ask, why isn't there any support behind Joe Biden, like why don't I like he'll could is not that strong. Like, why don't I hear anybody sort of pushing him in or just anything like he's a well-liked vice president, like what, what, what happened there? What I heard it come again. And again, was we love Joe Biden like Joe's great. But the thing is you don't really want him running the meetings, you want him in the meetings. But if you like Obama's cool technocratic manager really disciplined style super empirical does not how bite an operator. And so people who were attracted to Obama, we're not the naturally attracted to the idea of Joe Biden, and being president. They really like Joe Biden, but to your point, he's a foil and he's not just a foil in his public image. He's a foil on how he operates. He's a foil on how he makes decisions. He's a fallen how he runs a meeting Obama's disciplined and things and on time, like Joe Biden is endless bowl sessions like it went pretty deep. And so now I think there's a little bit more, both for some views about electability and some views, you know, something about the kind of Sanders and some even Warren like fights with the Obama world is of a lot of people who around Obama, and like have now paid their dues and the number chronic party at that next position in the White House, if Sanders and to a lesser but still very real potential extent. Warren, get the get the nod they don't get it. And so, I think there actually is a little bit more circling around Joe Biden, because that's more restoration, although against it'd be like, Kamala Harris, could interrupt that. 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I'm curious what your impressions were? You know, I thought like barn has been on the rise. And then I thought Warren delivered like very poised break competent like skillful performance, I know some people are wigged out by her endorsing of the healthcare thing. But I thought that like tactically it's one hundred percent correct. For her to not get into a fight with Bernie Sanders. This people about this. She is clearly she she is not actually appealing to Bernie Sanders is voters. But I think she is trying to appeal to Bernie Sanders. She is looking forward to a potential future scenario in which she gets head of him in the polls, and he drops out and endorses her, which from a like issues standpoint would advance his kind of policy topics and you know she. Just showed that, like she is scuffle up there. There's an Elizabeth Warren duality, right? And there's one Elizabeth Warren, who was up there on the stage and who generated a lot of internet memes, from the most die-hard Hillary Clinton loving people who I know, right? Which is just appealing to an axis of accomplished. Professional woman, competency, nece. There's like an identity politics around that, that, like both Hillary and Warren are like, like, really good at their jobs. Right. And that I think clearly has an appeal to like a certain kind of person. Right. Who, who, who looks up to that and wants to see the kind of diligence that they both exhibit rewarded general sense? I also like seeing people who are good at their jobs. Then some crave that in politics right now not me. I like to the, you know, the sloppy messes, but I can't emphasize enough that like, well, they're kind of similar people and the inspire similar devotion, and their staff. And things like Hillary Clinton was learn have very different ideas about goes policy, and I do think that take that somewhat seriously, particularly because Warren's operation is so policy oriented, like she really is very diligent. She really is very competent. And she has like a, you know, like kind of vast team of like grim ideologues drawn from America's law school faculties, who she wants to install in positions of power, and like it doesn't reflect poorly on her, but like it should be taken say, wha-, what are you saying here? Exactly, like, what's your takeaway on this? I mean obviously, she is more liberal than Hillary than I've used on how they differ. But I think you're saying something, but I'm not quite I think a lot of people who just like, really like hate Bernie Sanders have like hopped on Warren bandwagon to, like, excise their like emotional angst about the two thousand sixteen primary, and like they should think about, like, do they actually agree with Elizabeth Warren? Like I think a really good reason to vote for was with Martin. Is like you want her policy agenda? It's become like a like a medium like Warren has so many plans. But, like, have you ready? I don't think I agree with us on a couple levels. So let me say it two ways one I do think that the to take your side of this for a minute. The plans thing feels like a quite false, analogy to me between Warren and Clinton not just because of plans differ. But because Hillary reflected, total ising, worldview. Yes. Hilas is I talked to some guy yesterday. Hillary Clinton how to plan for everything. And that meant she had literally as many messages as she had plans, she would come into every single issue like look at it, like come up with some plan that could plausibly pass into the system that you could imagine. And like there you go, right? This is what the experts told her to do. And so, like, nothing ever cohered into a single singular message, Elizabeth Warren is very talented technocratic like thinker. But she's an anti system thinker, not a pro system thinker, and all she's more than she's a talented policymaker. She's an incredibly, like best of class, generation Lee capable talented policy communicator, and that's how she came out of nowhere to create the if PB and then win a Senate seat, Massachusetts. And now be one of the leading candidates for, for the democratic nomination for the presidency and behind that Elizabeth Warren has a lot of plans, and they all basically say the same thing they all say wealthy people have too much money and opportunity and power. And she is going to redistribute, those concentrations of economic paranoid. Unity and spread them around more widely. And like whether you were like that is why her wealth, tax and all the things that will buys at the very center of her of her identity. I really would encourage people listen to her interview on my show on that, or you can find in the weeds fee to she talks a lot about that there. And I think you can see exactly how she how she frames but over and over again, like what she's able to do is she's a lot of plans that reinforce one message, not a lot of plans to create a lot of different messages. And so in that way, I think the feeling I what I see is a lot of people fearfully comparing Warren and Clinton like Clinton had plans to Clinton was the best prepared to. But putting the fact that like Clinton basically performed as been all democrat in one, you know, three million more votes and all of that Warren is offering a message through her plans about what she would do to change the system and Hillary Clinton just had a lot of plans that reflected, her like status as a policymaker within the system. It's pretty different. Yes. No. I think we're one hundred percent. Agreement your version of this is like if you are terrified Elizabeth Martin is Hillary Clinton, two point zero like relax. She's actually quite different version of this is like, if you were thrilled that Elizabeth Warren Hillary Clinton, two point, how like pay close attention because they're actually quite, did you think there are that many people who see, I think my interpretation of the of the Hillary Clinton thing here? Is that a lot of people liked Clinton's preparation, and competence, and so on, and actually didn't really like the, the ways in which he was bounded by her life within the system. And so the people who, like the symmetry between them Warren is fixing a problem. They have with Clinton more often than she is creating a problem. They didn't like I hear what you're saying that, like Warren is, is a strong shift to the left from Hillary Clinton, at least in a number of areas though. I think probably not every area but I don't know that those are the parts of Hillary Clinton that people wanted to preserve one thing, Warren says, and all her speeches and stuff is that like. We need big structural change in America. Right. And I don't know talking to people who are mad about. Donald Trump is like, do they think we need big structural change in America, or do they think we need Donald Trump to not be the president? You know what I mean? Yeah. Because like Warren, really like she sincerely believes that we need big central changing Margaux. And now obviously, nobody is going to stand up there and be like, not that much. Gonna change, but Donald Trump won't be president. But I think if you look at people to judge right who because, again, they have demographically, similar supporters, but I, I think actually different things going on, right. That, like what mayor Pete is saying is that like, I'm like you weeds listener, like I am an intelligent thoughtful person, who tries to pay attention to what's going on. And to say things that make sense. Right. And that is a big personality contrast with Donald Trump. And then if you listen to Pete on, like a variety of topics like he has thoughtful answers to these questions. He does not have like a vast total ising, worldview, or like an agenda for sweeping systematic change. He's like the kind of guy who might be a good mayor of your city. Right. Which is like a job, whereas mayor, it's like you take over. Right. And then just like stuff happens and you try to deal with it confidently. Right. Where's Donald Trump is president like he takes over and like nothing's happening, and then he's just like throwing things all over the room. Right. And like it's. Crazy. And it's chaos. I think there's like. Warren's structural change message like that makes sense. I can see why you might want that. But I think you also might just want like confident, managerial ISM and just say, like no change in any area of public policy. Like the minimum wage has been raised for fifteen years like that, that should be raised. Right. But like is the big problem with America that, like we need to like take these PDF's Warren has put out about like all the corporate executives who deserve to be in prison, or the problem that Donald Trump is president because there's a big difference between like imprisoning a vast swath of corporate executives and just kicking Donald Trump out of the White House, and I just feel like the, like Warren discourse, it's like very like her as she has a plan for that. But it's like what is the plan? Do you agree with that plan like is this? And listeners should beat her plans and look into their hearts. I do want to note one thing about our plans, because I think something that is interesting about Warren is where she doesn't have a plan health can will two things right. So immigration and healthcare. It is in the places where she does not have a specific plan that she's adopted her, like most unpopularly left wing views, I would say, at least of the things, I know, basically, Elizabeth Warren is extremely good at releasing plans that, if you pull them, they should pull while free. College doesn't poll as well as I would have thought. So that's not hundred percent. True, but I think it's been a sort of a bit of a surprise, the reason I bring this up is that it's really not the case bills with Warren doesn't have the staffing, the personal inclination or the personal capacity to create a healthcare plan of her own or an immigration plan of her own. And so it seems to me like like my kind of galaxy brain on this. If that's right level of brain. Maybe it's not. Is it what she is doing? Is it endorsed other people's ideas here? She's not leaving. Ng any room for them to get around her, because, like Bernie Sanders can't say, like the big difference with more on his healthcare, because like I think if she wins wins, then she's going to have Elizabeth Warren, healthcare plan, or the Elizabeth Warren immigration plan, where maybe doesn't have section thirteen twenty-five. But it replaces section thirteen twenty-five with another section that does something else that's out literally decriminalizing border-crossing, but it is changing, how it is. I don't know. But I just, I just think that is an interesting question, Mark here. Yes. Because she releases so many plans not releasing a plan as a very distinct choice and why she is making that choice is worthy of some interrogation. There's no that and especially because right? I mean, if you think about these two topic areas, I mean you signal them out is like areas where she did politically dicey hand-raising, but it's like healthcare is the top issue for Democrats. Right. And immigration is like the emotional centerpiece of Trump era. Politics. Yes. So those are like some odd, Kuna, right? To just kind of like miss out on. And if you look at some of the other candidates right like those detailed break-up, Amazon plan, but healthcare, you know, Bernie Sanders has some good, I look at, like Castro in Iraq. Right. Who both have released a few plans, but not that comprehensively like they both have immigration plant, because save like see that as an important area to I put out a flag on right where it's like obviously has escaped Elizabeth warns attention that people are arguing linemen Gration policy read. She is waiting to come up with something, and I hope you know, she comes up with something good on it. I wanna say about immigration beyond the like four corners of this thirteen five thing. I found the way all of the Democrats talked about immigration up there to be a little bit problematic to people who vote in elections are American citizens. And so when you talk about your education plan, you're talking about how the plan will help Americans right when you talk. About your healthcare plan. You talk about how it will help Americans when you talk about your immigration plan. Like I, I am very pro immigrant, like I think America should have like a generous kind humane welcoming immigration policy. But like I think that because I think that's good for Americans. It's like not just a question of abstract but evidence and like there's a reason why we don't have long debate exchanges about people's foreign aid programs, even the, like, objectively, it's important, what you do there. It's not important to Americans lives, and like you have to get there on immigration like this is not an area of political strength for Democrats. You know what I mean? Like it's true that Trump's most extreme immigration antics are not popular. But like you don't want to go to the American people with, like Donald Trump wants to put America first and. Kratz wanna put Honduran asylum-seekers. I like you need to think about what you're trying to do and why it's good. And like explain that, the thirteen twenty-five was like a like a signpost of that, right? Like when people were embracing this. They didn't say, I want to decriminalize border-crossing because and then, like, give me some reason why it would make my life better right? Maybe it's a huge drag on the judicial system's me sources like, but like come up with something. So this is the this is like my total icing world view of how Baltics works, but you were saying earlier that this debate is full of a lot of policy position taking. And yet people don't care that much about policy, at least not a lot of the distinctions between it, what they do care, a lot about his identity. And a lot of the policies, if people are taking in this debate are about establishing an identity of some kind or another. And in the Democratic Party right now, being pro immigrant. Is a very important part of the democratic identity and Donald Trump has made it a much more central part of the democratic identity. And so. Showing that you will take risk and fire on. This is a way of establishing, like the strength of that identity. Similarly with a Medicare for all stuff. One thing you don't really hear that much in the whole Medicare for all debate is a debate over will why like what like you could just lower payment rates for everybody to Medicare levels, private insurers that give you talked to healthcare Walker. Just like not the biggest deal in the system. The other like payment rates are much more important, and you have national health systems that do have private insurance, national health systems don't and you can do all kinds of different ways. But it's an identity thing right? Like I'm somebody who believes I'm somebody who is against and let's see who your enemies. What is your group, and so a lot of the things happening in the debate, it seems to me in this particular true on immigration, which is very deep question of national identity and like what does it mean to be an American? What does it mean to be a liberal to your point? They're having a debate that seems curiously disconnected from Americans material interests. But this is constantly like the left-wing refrain like, why are these debates? A disconnect. From people's material interests, and it's because people primarily like they very heavily participate in politics, in terms of identity and group status. And these debates are keying in on those motivations more than they are like a serious discussion of like who has the best policy and take an empirical look at this and given the implementation difficulties like what will this do for the country, and I put it a little bit of that on the moderators in the way to be structured. They're not built to have that conversation. But, but nevertheless, there's a kind of position taking here that is very much about democratic and liberal identities. And just right now, and I think this is also a nature of an unsettled field and very big field. There's very little thought about the general election. I think people just planning to wrap. It's, it's precisely because people vote more and identity than on policy that like this way of talking about immigration worries me. Yeah. Because I, I think there's a lot of different approaches to immigration that, like, confli with the American. Public, but to the typical person what is non negotiable. Is that like your concern as a government has to be with Americans, right? And there's like that could be a million things, and, like who's ever heard of section thirteen point you know, like, like you, you could do different things. But yes, I like they are very keyed in on this. What's interesting to me, is that we did not see much talk about trait. Right. Because trade is actually an issue in, which like Democrats in good, standing have like serious like directional disagreements, right. Like they can nitpick each other's healthcare plans like until, you know, the, the cows come home. But there were all sort of saying the same thing about healthcare, which is like the government should be more involved and do more to regulate prices and do more to subsidize people's care. Like they're Democrats who believe that free trade is really good that abandoning the Trans-Pacific Partnership was a mistake that we. Should go forward with T tip with Europe. And there are Democrats who believe that like NAFTA was a huge error that letting China into the WTO is a huge error, and that Donald Trump has been like a like a trade policy, faker and, you know, so I have heard the speeches from Warren and Sanders on one side of that debate. I've heard. More pro-trade sentiments from a Rourke from Joe Biden, but the was not like brought in to the debate at all. Even though this is a subject where there's, like not like a Melika. I'm trying to annoy you by making pick fights with each other. But where they have like, really sincere directional disagreement about the trajectory of national policy, and we're touches on some of these same identity type issues. Right. Like one of the fury's of Sanders and Warren and like going back before them, like Dick Gephardt, right? Like, like one idea Democrats have had is that they should use protectionist trade policy to key in on nationalistic sentiments that Republicans like George W Bush used to promote like hawkish foreign policy. Right. And then another idea is that like, no, like Democrats should promote like cosmopolitanism as an economic development strategy for the United States. Right. And so it's like is it going to appeal to different kinds of people and it has pretty? Santeuil implications. Right. Like this is like one of the big ways, Trump has turned politics a little bit sideways. And it was strange to me to not really discuss it at all. Thankfully, we have a thousand more debates, the gene, the gene. All right. Well, thanks everybody out there for listening. Thanks to Ezra. Thanks to Jackson beer, felt and our producer Jeffrey guild and the weeds will be back on. This is advertisers, contact. Your brain is faster than racecar. Seriously? 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The Weekend 6.6.20

The Joe Pags Show

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The Weekend 6.6.20

"Across America. It's the weekend with joepags to talk to Joe Call. Eight hundred five, zero, one seventy eighty and now bowl weekend. Here's joepags. Remedy stations across the land. joepags DOT COM facebook, twitter instagram email. It's all right there plus the live video feed. It's the weekend with joepags. Glad to have you along for the ride. Hopefully, things are going well for you. Hopefully, you're having a good start to the weekend. Keep an eye on what's happening nationally obviously. The update basically is. The unrest isn't stopping. The update is opportunists have taken over what's happening. And the pretending they're doing it because George Floyd guy that had no. Opportunities like Antifa a terrorist organization. Black lives matter the organization. Is also an anarchist organization that wants to de-fund and disband the police. It's not about black lives. I'll say it clearly the. Confused of course black lives matter of course George Floyd should be alive today. But calling yourself black lives, matter is basically the same as saying the affordable care act, which was completely unaffordable. or saying net neutrality, which wasn't net neutrality was about regulating and taxing the Internet, but if you call it something like the heroes, act. Heroes, act pushed by Nancy Pelosi in the left in the house was not about honoring heroes, those who are on the frontlines fighting covid nineteen. No Be Heroes. Act was about trying to give illegal immigrants legal status forever. So, you've got to be very careful. With. With how people word things in an attempt to confuse like Antifa? Alleges that? They are antifascism, and they're pushing their anti fascist movement by being fascists. Really realize what's happening. Let's break down what we know now almost two almost two weeks later. George Floyd now we know was had methamphetamine and fennel in his body. So, he was acting a radically according to the cashier that ended up calling the police. He also tried to pass. What seems to be a counterfeit twenty dollar bill? Okay Counterfeit Twenty Dollar Bill. Guy Six foot six. Acting radically an intoxicated on drugs. and. He's going to get back in his car. And he's got to drive away in that in that in that state. I you want somebody driving down the road. Who is clearly intoxicated on something according to the cashier? And who tried to commit a crime by passing a twenty dollar bill that would that was fake. So you call the police. Let's disabuse anybody of the idea that the police should not have been called. Calling the police is not a bad thing? It's a good thing if you think somebody is trying to commit a crime or Listen I've called the police when somebody's weaving all over the road because they could kill somebody. So let's exonerate the cashier who makes a call that I think is an innocent call. The police show up. Some reason he will get out of the car. They pull him out of the car. He's standing next thing we know. He's on his face on the ground. And police officer ends the guy's life with in the neck. Don't bother to call me. To tell me how the Vinnie and the neck didn't kill him. Toxicology says he was intoxicated whichever he told you about. And he had hypertension. But for the Nina's neck, the guys alive today. Okay. Let's just stop the idea that he was going to die anyway that day, and then he had nothing to do with it. In fact, independently hired Michael, Baden. The pathologist, said Yeah, of course. The Nina's neck is what is what he died. So we know what happened there. The COP shoving the former COP now faces murder charges, the other three, some sort of aiding and abetting. Homicide or murderer something. The other three were of different races. It wasn't four white cops, so let's stop pretending that one was Asian. Another was potentially Hispanic. And the third looks to be at least partially African American. Heritage I'm just taking a look at the pictures. It's not for white guys. Now that all the facts are out there. Let's be honest. Why are we where we are today in America? Why? Why is it continuing? Why is there a memorial service for George Floyd in North Carolina? Today They didn't know George. Floyd I understand he's a symbol of what they believe is happening in our society. Is there systemic racism in the police, department now before I give you my answer. Understand I'm smart enough to realize. That, many of you will need jerk react and either remain angry at me for saying what I'm saying and call me a name. Or you'll agree, but then we'll all be called names because we agree. The answer for me. Is there was there isn't now? What does that mean? Well there was a stomach racism clearly. When black people in this country were treated like second third fifth class citizens? They weren't given opportunity. They were held down by the thumb of the Democrat Party. For centuries. For Generations. But. What do you mean by that? Democrat Party, Republican note. Let me name some things and name these before it'll be as clear as I can. Slavery. Jim, crow laws separate but equal segregation. The KKK lynchings all done by Democrats in this country. Those weren't Republican things. In fact Republican Party, many argue rightfully. WAS, starting, to end slavery. DAB But. You know but. They did the big switch. There are people in this country. That what you and I to believe? The Democrats and Republicans made a conscious decision to switch parties. How stupid is that? How dumb is that concept? Well, how's IT GOING BOB? You're Democrat or Republican. Let's just switch parties today. And then when you come back that lie. And you you ask a simple question. When did that happen? In the fifties or sixties? But when did it happen? What was the event? What made it happen? Was a convention. The party switching convention. Tell me when that happened. Show me pictures. Let's see some of the the guest list. Let's see some the minutes of the meeting. And then tomorrow at three pm we shells which parties. A didn't happen. Case in point Robert, Byrd Robert Byrd was a high level K. K. K. member. He began a US senator which he did for about what forty years something like that he died. The guy was a Democrat back in the day. And he died a democrat. Hillary Clinton idolized him. He was a mentor her. Bill Clinton idolize well. You know back then in the south. You had to be a KKK man. You're young man. Del Are you talking about. So the lie, being perpetrated, that has to be believed by the people to make you believe the Democrats are the good guys and the Republicans are the bad guys. That some big switch happened. People can point to strong Thurmond as the one guy who went from Democrat to Republican and the argument could be made successfully that he did that when he stopped being such a damn racists. The South went from Democrat to Republican. As it became less racist. The less racist of the south became the more Republican it became. Facts. They matter. So now we have a situation. Where the Democrats again have co opted, ANTIFA and Co opted black lives matter the group. They've co opted that message. They've co opted those radical organizations and they're pretending they're going to fix. What's wrong. Well, guess what you know. The writing is happening and the looting is happening. And the violent protesting which is illegal, is happening in Democrats cities, Democrat counties and Democrats states. The Democrats have been running these places. For half a century or more? They're the ones that put the police departments. The police chiefs in place. They're the ones that have the Democrat mayors and city councils. They're the ones that have the Democrat governors. These are the people that put these systems in place. To move black people into the projects. To push black people to get section eight. To push black people to be on on free lunch programs at school and tell young black men don't worry about. Your responsibilities will do it where the government. When you when you're paying somebody's bills when you're when you're feeding somebody's children when you're paying the heating bill or the Internet Bill. You then get to say. Don't forget to vote for me November. This is about power and control is about votes. This isn't about carrying out people of Color. which is a dumb term? I have a color, but since I'm allegedly white. I'm not allowed to say I'm a person of color, but this isn't about minorities. This isn't about blacks or Hispanics or American Indians Asians this is about power and control. How can we take control and keep control of the people forever? LBJ Nuit Racist as he was. We'll keep him voting this way for two hundred years. We'll keep them voting. For Democrats for two hundred years, but the fake news. Continues to perpetrate these lies. That, it's somehow Republican thing. And that Republicans are white supremacist, which is the dumbest thing I have heard yet. White supremacy in this country is a miniscule number compared to the population. Would it rush less than two hundred thousand people? At a three hundred fifty million. You think that's the problem. Now. The problem is radical. Leftist groups that are organizing to disband. The police disarmed the place De Fund the place, Minneapolis Minnesota. They're actually voting to de-fund and disband the police. Well, what the hell are you going to do then when somebody calls nine one one? What are you GonNa do when somebody's murder spree or robbing stores or beating up his wife. What are you GONNA do? It doesn't make any sense. It's ridiculous in my city. San Antonio, you've got a horrible left-wing mayor. Run near Amberg who said this is my g damn city. He's not calling God's name in vain talking about the city of San Antonio. As he goes out and kisses the of testers. Instead of standing firmly saying there's a perceived problem and there may be an actual problem. Let's find out. Let's get to the root of it and let's fix it. Instead of that, he comes out with his foul mouth and he denigrates. God's name. That somehow is going to solve the problem. That's how dumb this is. The George Floyd should be alive. The police officer, the former police officers involved in his death are all facing charges the writing the looting. The violent protesting should have stopped immediately. Why isn't it? because. It's genocide out here. We're killing black people. Police suit every to kill black people. That's not happening. The numbers deny what you're claiming. I want your thoughts. It's one eight, hundred, five, zero, one, seventy, one, eight, hundred, five, zero, one, seven, zero eight zero pags parody on fake news. That will have for you after the break as well keep it. Here's the weekend with joepags. Welcome to the program. It is the weekend with joepags. Thanks a lot for stopping by lots going on one eight, hundred, five, zero, one seventy eight joepags DOT COM. I did this. I did this pags parody. The other day it's called fake news, but for some reason when I recorded it. The F. isn't on the beginning, and the first word is fake, and it has to be in the very beginning of the song. Llegado I want you to be very careful because I do bleep out a word here, but it gets scary for a second. We're GONNA be okay. I! Try Not to dump my song. You got it. You got it. You'RE GONNA. Want to, but I'll tell you that. I have to do the F. Sound here or else. It's not gonNA work. So, so let's let's do that. It's not working. I'm telling you if I don't do the. Senate doesn't make any sense on a second. I'M GONNA. Make this. Going to be great. It actually you might hate the song I'm just going to be honest with you. You are so bad. Jake some real news in. Your lap is. Month remember. We are onto your game. Being the same. You need to get bad everybody. Do. School. We are. Seeing. Say. Mono gun minute. You think. You got one by us. We will discuss. The game that your play. Chai you'd line of. Fake News. Real live. What your do! We all know that you're. Just you. Owe. The world sees. Your. Way! Who already for you on the weekend? Very. A. You have us. To your, bullshit. What are the when? I got until you out on. Pick it up. Just so you know you will not win. Fake News Your Smith. The. All those. Crew. Bye. have. They. So bad. Big! Them. Say You. Know. What. Invade. Do a little fake news for you the fake news. Horrible the past couple of weeks, just making stuff up. Getting up trouble. I really do believe that they want the test. Violent protests, the writing the looting to continue why because it makes for a news cycle where they can complain about the president. Got A ton of interviews coming up, we got a ton of time for your phone calls to your thoughts of what we're seeing in America today. One Eight, hundred, five, zero, one, seventy, eighty joepags DOT com. Stay here. This is the weekend with joepags. Case across the land joepags dot com facebook, twitter instagram email. It's all right there plus the live video feed. It is the weekend with joepags one, eight, hundred, five, zero, one, seventy, eighty, one, eight, hundred, five, zero, one, seven, zero, eight, zero several several cases of fake news this week and it continues. These these outlets don't care. They want to gin up as much trouble as they can. They see this as an opportunity to go after the president, and hopefully 'cause his his loss in the upcoming election, they can't beat them not in fair and square way. They can't beat them, so they have to try to make him the bad guy. Let me ask you this. When Ferguson happened. Why wasn't there any any protesting in front of the White House? That was Brock Obama was an office when Freddie Gray happened. Why aren't they protesting from the White House? Rock Obama was an office trayvon Martin. Why wasn't there any protesting from the White House? How exactly is this guy? The reason for why some Idiot Minneapolis put. His knee enjoyed floyd's neck. How is it Donald Trump at some out caused us. How diluted must be? How nuts is that? And the whole idea. That he some somehow has caused. A raisch racist uprising from a bad cop. Is an idea that cannot be substantiated. And makes people who say seem really stupid. And then yesterday we had this. The Rock Dwayne Johnson well like a lot I watch his movies I. Think the Guys Great. Video yesterday eight minutes. Where are you? Asking me about the president, the president who's been out in front of this the president who's made? Comment after comment comment in support of those who want criminal justice reform something he's done. He's pardon people let them out of prison. who were sent to prison by Joe Biden and the Clintons idea of criminal justice. Their, idea of criminal justice was lockup black people who were dealing with crack way more than the white people generally speaking dealing with powder cocaine there, actually diversity. In punishment, depending on whether it's crack. Or powder cocaine. But. WHO does that benefit white people who put that in place? Democrats, Bill Clinton Joe Biden. The Crime Bill was Joe Biden's bill. Donald Trump is doing that. Exponentially helping out people who generally happen to be black, who were imprisoned for longer terms than they should have been because of the crime committed. Yet somehow. 'cause Obama had eight years to do that. He didn't do it somehow. This guy who's doing that is the bad guy. He's the racist. Dumbness thing is that's how weird this thing gets. So dwayne Johnson. Where are you? We need a unifier. We need unity. We need real leader right now. Where are you? Wait, where are you? Maybe they will. He's not the president when you mean pags. dwayne Johnson is one of the biggest movie stars on the planet. One phone call and he can meet with President trump. Think about it I'm just some scrub on the radio. And I got to I got to go to the Green Room in an interview. The president of the United States I got to go to the White House. Twain Johnson can make the call and be in the White House today with President. Trump, and working out some concerted effort to start fixing the problem it's. It's easier though to make an eight minute video and completed. The guy isn't there and he's not leading somehow. Yet eight years of Obama who did nothing but foster division between us? He separated us. He took aside every time. There was a case whether it was skip gates his friend in Cambridge of black professor. Obama's asked about that. The professor broke his own house. Somebody saw him do it. And they called the police in the police demanded that he showed that that he belongs there. Not because he was black, but because he crawled in a window. When Obama was asked about that, he said I. You know I don't know much about the case. Police stupidly. What. You don't know anything about the case. You know the details, but police acted stupidly. He immediately attacked police without any information. took the side of the Black Guy. That knowing anything. That was the president of all of us. In trayvon Martin. If I had a son. He looked like trayvon now. If I had a neighbor, he looked like George the Hispanic guy. Who Killed Trayvon, Martin, because Trayvon? Martin came back and started a fight with them. Now the guy felt like you had to defend himself. By the way I've been consistent. That George Zimmerman should not have gotten out of his truck. He precipitated would happen next, but if you're attacked. You get to defend yourself. That's why he was found. Not Guilty Obama immediately before there was any due process took aside. When Michael Brown causes death after a strong arm robbery and he was high on marijuana. And then attacked a police officer in his car grabbed his gun. And would not stop approaching the guy. Michael. Brown was six, four, two ninety. And he would not back off. The COB, fearing for his life. Shot, him Wasn't on his knees with his hands up. Don't shoot. That didn't happen. How do I know Eric Holder? Brock Obama's attorney general, the DOJ investigate, and made those findings and exonerated. The COP Obama sent three people from the White House to attend Michael Brown's funeral. Taking aside. Why. WanNa. Get Real justice by finding the real information. I mean. Now. They're blaming trump. Who's actually done something for black people? The lowest black unemployment in our history was under trump. More blacks working than ever under trump. Criminal Justice, reform, under trump. These are all facts. Check them. At the end of the day. You have reality. Then you have fiction. So insane, who's got considerable, sway and influence says he wants to help. He's calling the president out about where are you? Maybe you go to the White House and have that meeting. Maybe you said of Chrissy, Teigen and John Legend and Steve Corral Seth Rogan. Donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to get people out of jail who were arrested for looting and rioting? Maybe use that money to help rebuild businesses that were burned to the ground in that Neighborhood Minneapolis neighborhood that needs those businesses, and maybe you all get together, and you set up a meeting with the president of the United States and you work in conjunction with him. To fix the problem perceived a real. But that's not happening. You know if you go to to twitter. It's a bastion of hate. It's a it's a sewer. Of Hatred and vile. Snippets of of thoughts. Generally speaking by the left filled with profanity and attacks. That's what it is. And people are getting their news. They're walking and talking papers from twitter. That's how nuts it is your thoughts what we're seeing unfold in the country. Let's Let's go to the phone lines here. I appreciate you sandwich on your mind. Radio Down Talk to me. Well I'm ready. New England. Let's say you, WanNa know who rules us. Just Who are you not allowed to criticize? You're correct and you'll just match in a few minutes ago. KKK enjoy about Robert Byrd and who was the founder of the KKK? I think of the guy's name off the top of my head, but he was a Democrat about Albert Pike. Pike wasn't the founder. Somebody else well I. Last thing I heard I read. Anyway, supposedly, he was a confederate general. And, he was also a thirty third degree Mason Freemason. And he was a grand commander of the Southern Command. And, he was collaborating with about three thirty nine. Relations around the world who a hell bent on destroying all governments! destroying God destroying religions control money. I got you. And with you, it wasn't I it. May Robert Reich might have one of them, but allegedly it was formed by by six confederate soldiers all democrats obviously. People are lying that. Could is actually lying. The KKK wasn't founded by the Democrat Party. That's that's not true. Of course it was. Of course it was, it was formed by Frank. mccord Richard Reid. John Lester John Kennedy not that John Kennedy Obviously Jay Calvin Jones and James Crowe. Mark pit cabbage or something like that. These are all democrats, the AP trying to give cover for Democrats like they didn't found the KKK. Of course they formed the KKK. That's exactly what they did. But. There was another guy's name that there's not jumping in my brain right now. That was an early member or founder to. But at the end of the day, what you have is a hate group that was founded by the left and continues to be that same hate group. Today because the KKK. It has no power whatsoever now now it's ANTIFA. Anti, modern day KKK. Again using fascism to shut down those they hate. ANTIFA by the way is generally speaking a bunch of white kids. Well. Let's let's disabuse ourselves of acting like eight. Some sort of a black lives matter group. It's not they don't care about black lives. Period. Let me. Go back to the phone lines going to be Gina New York Gene. What's on your mind? Hey, Joe thanks for taking my call I. See all you do and I really liked your fake news song. Made me dance and sing Anyway I wanted to share with you. I'm calling you from New York I'm in the mid Hudson Valley, which is between Albany and Westchester like eight miles outside of new Paulsen. We're about twenty. I Dunno less than thirty miles from Woodstock's anyway. We woke up to BLM on our street signs. For black lives matter and a lot of people, most people don't understand that it is a group. They feel it's just an expression like God. Bless America so Late to get the word out on that for them to educate themselves I did here last week either rush or mark. They had a person who was representing the BLM and he was presenting himself to white females and was basically harassing them to kneel before him is, they were on the the L. side, and if they did not and ran away, he would film them and call them a racist so I just thought that would be something for everyone to be aware of. There's a piece of video out there. Showing this and there were a bunch of white women that were kneeling. They got to be. Owned by the neo four. Have Joe. Is that is the radio? I don't have computers television which I'm thankful for which brings me to twitter. And, Google and facebook and Bill Gates This as you know is all designed. It's been designed since the nineteen nineties, if not back to the nineteen sixties. I remember watching the riots in Detroit. I remember Abbie Hoffman. Remember all of that and it's such. How do you say a parallel? And it's unfortunate and here in New York I mean we had to make an students black students Latino students going to school and I never saw color. It's just we were children playing. Off Color. You're not allowed to say that if you say that in today's in today's world, it's a micro aggression. Because now you're taking the color ancestry and race away from the person you're not. You're literally not allowed by the left to say I don't see color that somehow racist today. While the WAC's again. I just explained it because you're. I'm not I'm on your side I. Don't see color either I live my life very very colorblind way, but if you say that now, you're denigrating them by taking away their heritage. That's really what they're saying. That's how dumb it is well my. On. My mother's side is American Indian and you know people forget that the white man was lost when he came to the United States and it was already occupied by very sophisticated educated people in fact, Benjamin Franklin. He took from our people. The council and if you look at our Eagle, he holds the arrows that represents our heritage. People need to realize what the truth is, and the sixteen nineteen thing forget about it. I mean. Where's that going to lead our children which they've already been indoctrinated for what twenty years? I hear you and I appreciate you. I. Do what I was saying earlier I didn't want to interrupt, but try to get this in. I kneel to my higher power. To my Lord, Jesus Christ. I kneel to God, whoever wherever your God is where your higher power is. That's the only person you should kneel to. I will never kneel to government. I will never kneel to some radical group like black lives, matter or ANTIFA. That's not happening. It's not happening. At the end of the day what you have is a form of indoctrination where I've seen these videos where people are kneeling before other people as if that solves anything at it just makes you look like a week, idiot! Editor it's one, eight, hundred, five, zero, one, seventy, one, eight, hundred, five, zero, one, seven, zero eight zero joepags dot com. Stay right here. The weekend with joepags, one, eight, hundred, five, zero, one seventy eighty joepags dot com tons of interviews coming up. Tons of interviews possible. Keep on exposing the fake news fake news that keeps on alleging that the president said he's going to put the the US army. The United States military on protesters. that. That's why I came up with the song fake news. because. They keep on perpetrating it. Like. He came out and said that set. Putting the army, peaceful protesters, and we will shoot you through martial law, none of which is true, he in fact said I am an ally of those who want criminal justice reform. I'm an ally for with those who want to peacefully protest for equality equity. And in a better nation. are their fundamental problems with law enforcement and the black community. While there are, let's fix them. This is his stance, and then he said. The mayor's the county executives the governors of these states that are allowing for peaceful people. And those who just want safety and security for themselves and their families. Those who are allowing this rioting and looting to continue and the violence the continue if you don't step up and stop it. I will use the eighteen seventies direction act. And use the full might of the US military to stop it. Wherein, that does he say I'm going to put the military on peaceful protesters. And then the idiot Chris Cuomo over at CNN frago. Colorado! He loves that. Chris Cuomo Ben said where it written. That protests have to be peaceful. He? He honestly said that. Of course, the the answer is very simple. It's in the first. Amendment you dumb ass. The idea. That, he didn't know that. Drives me nuts. It literally says those words. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof left always forgets that or part or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or the right of the people peaceably to assemble. And to petition the government for a redress of grievances. What part of that is difficult to understand? Chris Cuomo makes a ton of money lives in the Hamptons. For being host on a national network and didn't know the First Amendment said that. I'm not kidding. No joke. One, eight, hundred, five, zero, one seventy. I've got about a minute for you, and it's going to be all yours. Michael Take Him in and make it fast. Let's go. Hey Joe what I gotta say really. He's GonNa. Take longer than a minute. wanted to comment on the arrest of. George. So forty five seconds. You're using tablets go. 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You get an e mail Monday through Saturday when I do a show at GonNa. To tell you who are gonNA. Have on the program what we're going to talk about whether there's a parody or not and much much more so go do that, too. I wanted to get with a young man who is a former ANTIFA member. To talk about who ANTIFA is what their goals really are. The left spins it as if ANTIFA. Good Organization trying to stop fascism. It's untrue it's a fascist organization that wants anarchy wants to disband all of government. And then put in their own. It really is anarchist. Slash Socialist Organization that wants to get rid of free enterprise capitalism and our way of life. The way they try to do that is by claiming that everybody's a racist. Everybody's a bad guy mean. There were white people running around and cards during these protests and riots. Handing out bricks young black men now what happens if a young black man throws a brick? The chase, he'll be arrested. Maybe they'll be shot. ANTIFA call with that because now look the is no good killed a black man again. They're instigating unrest. Now thankfully, and it's a very profanity laden post, but thankfully. A black woman took the away and gave it back to the white woman and said how dare you give this to young black men. Don't you know if that'll do to him? So hopefully, people are starting to realize they are, but who is ANTIFA. What is it that they want? His name is Gabe Dallas. He works at a works for campus reform dot org, a great website, incredible journalism by young journalists every single day. Go check out that website camps reform dot org that gave you used to be part of Antigua right? Yeah, quite a while ago. How are you by the way it's been a while? I I've been great. Thank you were asking. Yeah, really appreciate having you back on so. This group that calls itself anti-fascist clearly is using fascist techniques to to try to get changed that they want which is anarchy. Get rid of the police defunding police a a considerable fundamental change of the United States of America. They're lying there there. Helpers I believe are complicit in the media claiming they are an antifascist group, which of course they're not This is the group that's throwing the the bricks that's. Who they are with masks and disguises to me. It's a modern day KKK, but you're used to be in this group first and foremost the people watching. You're listening to know what the hell were you doing in the group. Before I joined the group I was a liberal activists for about a year and a half I, and I was influenced by networks Spanish big networks like when he was showing that as other liberal friends that I had, but then I saw on the news that pretty much a hateful group is going to come to my community and I was fired up, so I wanted to put on the black mask and go with TEPA to really opposes group and at the time I mean it felt like I was fighting fascism. It sounds like a great idea, but as I've seen now it's. Not Fighting against. Fascism, they're fighting for their fail socialist ideology, don't they're only willing to fight against people that they don't like. It's gave me Dallas from canvas reform dot org. What's interesting to me? Gave is I. Don't speak. Spanish as well as I'd like to speak some, so I can't really watch univision and Telemundo. I can't I can't learn from what it is. They're putting out if I were a Spanish speaker. What would I hear is a very different look at America. Then I get on the english-speaking news or not. One hundred percent and see the MRC came up with the study a few years ago. I can't remember the last five years I. Think which they looked at two years worth of news coverage, and they they notice that forty seven percent of their stories were liberal leading, and you think Oh, fifty percent. Maybe they're conservative. No the other ones. Neutral only three percent of them were right, leaning and I remember some of these stories listening listening to some of these stories as I was growing up every time the President Bush was proposing something. on immigration would say for example all became this huge deal about how old is going to begin internment camps in genocide and that president. Bush hated Mexicans and people forget the fact that President Bush's first exit outside of the country was actually to Mexico to better. Better relationships, but unfortunately networks soon and Telemundo have a media strategy to make Hispanic spiel scared of Republicans. which in turn makes him scared of being America whether they're here legally or illegally? And we break it down by by culture and by Value System Hispanics. Generally speaking are more like Republicans, Democrats, naturally they're family oriented. They are against abortion. They generally speaking Catholic or Christian, so they would be Republicans or conservatives. The message been told correctly. You think this is a purpose full. Twisting of the message to get people to vote a certain way. I definitely think so because I mean so many and if you look at some of the commercials even to this day that happened on on. What are they called on ABC on They're very much a left leaning not long ago, I remember being at a restaurant on my inlaws restaurant, and there was a TV in the background, and it had a commercial with started with a bunch of children crying and said that all these are children at the border, and then there's sort of blaming president trump elected officials and then one. One person who was running for Congress, so she had absolutely nothing to do with the subject, but they blamed her, but that's not even surprising. Because that that commercial was paid for by a super PAC the next commercial over was advertising the nightly news segment. Guess what it started with the exact same emotional appeal, and saying that they were the ones standing up to the trump administration, and that they were getting the truth out with a clear implication that president trump didn't care about Hispanics I mean I don't watch Luna Anymore. So, it's going to be hard in the brain to watch like the time knowing that they're just spinning. It's gave him the Dallas four remember of of ANTIFA. He's with canvas reform dot. Org is a great job there, so talk to me about the message. You got from Antifa when you got there. You expect them to say. Let's stop, Fascism! Let let's just quell that. We want freedom liberty for everybody. But what did you actually find out well at one of these protests started meeting a lot more serious activists than me to many others and. And for a while I thought we were, we were on the right side of history. Because you know fighting fascism, finding against all these so-called injustices feel like a good thing, but then I started noticing I started learning about conservatives, and what they really believed, and I brought some of those ideas to other people in Antifa because they're the only ones who really talked about politics at the time. I was pretty young, so I didn't really know too. Many people who like politics, but instead of having discussions with me or talking about A. A conservative politics, free market economics all these issues I was called a capitalist pig, just for asking questions, and it just shows you. They're not interested about having a conversation about fascism about for free market, or what makes a society peaceful that just they're looking for total dominance in in trying to promote their fail socialist ideology. But what's interesting is you're right. If you wanted to fight fascism, those in the left in those in the right would join forces and say yeah. We've got A. WE'VE got to stop fascism so if you bring a right perspective. Perspective or just ask questions from a right perspective. They should have said you know that's a good question. How can we use that to fight fascism? But you found out that they basically the shirts of the blackshirts in the modern day and were they telling you then in two thousand twelve that violence is the right way to get our point across where they talking about covering your face or they talking about throwing bricks through windows were talking about filling water bottles with something other than water and throwing it at people. What were they saying? So as far as the taxes are involved, it's not something that's specifically was told that you have to do this. I remember going to some of the protests and always thinking I don't want to get into a physical altercation, but then at the same time thinking, but I'm part of the black bloc which were. You wearing all black faces and thinking if I'm part of the black block than if it happens, I'm with the group and I have to go with my with my friends with my colleagues. So this is kind of what the mentality is. Now that being said and cheaper has become far more violent than anything I've ever seen I mean video. was published by James O'Keefe in which one of these journalists infiltrated row city, which is one of the oldest long running Yeah in Portland Oregon, and they were actually having seminars, and how to enact political or violence in general, saying that Oh you go for the is because it's the easiest thing to harm somebody, and it's just despicable, because we've allowed to work under our noses for several years and far too many left wing politicians and left wing commentators, thing that Tepa is a good thing for society when it's not, it's a Dallas former member of ANTIFA longtime ago. He's a from campus reform, dot, Org and a great young mind. What's interesting to me is now. Antiques is pretending that therefore black civil rights. Ever any part of what you heard from them. We have to make sure we stop injustices for black people or was it. Let's Stop Fascism whatever that is so wasn't happening there. The fascist was it ever about civil rights for blacks and Hispanics and and others well. There's actually not as many blacks in in southern California as our Hispanic, so most of the friends that I had were Hispanic and had a couple friends, but so it wasn't really an issue that we talk specifically about. It was a more general stop fascist. Here, because the reason I ask is very simple ANTIFA is being sold by the mainstream media as looking for civil rights for black people looking for justice for George Floyd when I think that's bogus I don't think that was a that had anything to do with why T for showed up. They showed up because they could break stuff and lewd stuff and attacked people and try to scare you know. Not The fascist scare those who want to be regular Americans who enjoy their civil rights and their constitutional rights. They want to scare them off the streets, and on the streets in Portland rose city. They actually shut streets down and pulled an old man out of his car a year ago, or whatever this is not a very nice group. So was there ever attendant walked in? They said Hey, keep in mind. We're looking at for the black men. Did. They ever do not not specifically, but you're completely right and TEPA has hijacked. These protests and L. Note that conservatives and liberals alike were decrying the this specific instance. George Floyd, but that wasn't enough for Antifa they. And if you look at the violence, really started, it started in Saint Paul Minnesota in Portland Oregon. Los Angeles Chicago. Austin Texas all these places wearing. Tiba has been allowed to to operate under tested many times. That's what the what were. The riots release started, and they set the narrative for the rest of the country to burn down their communities. It's Kinda sick it well. It's very sick. It's gave him the Dallas so. The president decides it's going to. He's going to denote demark. Whatever he's going to call Antifa a terrorist organization, domestic terrorist organization, the left freaks out. How dare you? How can you do that? They're antifascist. Is that a righteous moved to call them terrorists? I think it is because we have to look at the definition of terrorism and it's it's very simple. It's to enact or political violence against your opponents for a political cause. It's very simple, and that's what in Tepa is doing at every single one of their protests. They're they're. They're hurting innocent people. They're intimidating people, and that is the very definition of fascism. They don't want police. They want to disarm the police and defend the police. They don't want a structure of government. They want anarchy. Is there any better way to say it? That's what they want. They want A. A I guess the streets just to be looted and wealth to be stolen, and if you've got something better than I do, I can just take it and kill you all I take it. Is that what they're looking for? Is just anarchy. Is it not is one thing if they would wanNA anarchy, but that's not what they actually what they want is socialism, which is basically anarchy, but they're the ones in power, so then they have the power of the state to do everything that you just mentioned, which is really what they're really fighting with really fighting for which is. For this veiled socialist ideology that has actually murdered millions of people all throughout history, so they're. They're anti-capitalism their. Enterprise, they're anti the constitution. If it were up to them, we'd get rid of the constitution and then allow them to control the people, and then as you say, there are the elite, they can run the socialist state, which of course wouldn't work as never worked anywhere. Of course that's never worked anywhere, but that's exactly what they want. They want to the constitution mix pretend it doesn't exist and but get this anytime that you criticize them for their violent tactics. All of a sudden they say well. What about my First Amendment? As if violence was protected by the First Amendment there are hiding behind the first amendment in an effort to get rid of the first amendment. At listen gave great insight. I appreciate you taking the time. Let's do it again soon, can we? They let me know I came here. We're coming back in the weekend with joepags. Bruce. joepags one, eight, hundred, five, zero, one seventy joepags dot com elite phone lines. I appreciate you taking the time line to Davis in Michigan. Hi Dave. How're you doing today littering? What's? yeah I was just thinking systemic racism. Great show by the way Joe It's like I don't ever remember seeing any people up against the wall or like on the ground in a semester position, I take sympathy with George Floyd and his family and stuff like that. Because that is ridiculous, you could tell that is just like abandonment of any kind of civility, one way or the other whether we're just negligence. Fifteen minutes of an announcement leave Lincoln Park whatever that is Lafayette Park, and it's like They go bananas. They're like my right to. Free speech. It's like okay well. The National Guard can't clear those guys. They're not gonNA. Leave a massive crowd of fifteen minutes and disperse and their vehicles. They're gonNA obstruct thing, so they announced it. They didn't WanNA. Go and they got him out of there. So you have the mayor Mariel. bowser telling Get hotels, but at the same time you have a tremendous police, presence and you. They're not. Enforcing the laws I don't blame the police, but it's like and then they're getting overtime. You know black lives matter. This is just nothing about political. You know what I mean. I i. hear you and I appreciate it open line now. One, eight, hundred, five, zero, one, seventy eight. He's talking about Washington DC where the mayor there for some reason had black lives matter painted down the middle of a of a road. And they're saying that the National Guard can't stay in hotels there. Something which is ridiculous and. The complaints earlier this week. Some fake news was that the the Capitol police were using tear gas to disperse a crowd that didn't happen. Not even a little bit. They they you smoke bombs smoke bombs. Do not have an irritant in them. That'll harm people's is. It was not tear gas. There's a major difference between smoke bombs and tear gas. Also the Capitol Police says. People. who were they're protesting? We're throwing water bottles at them. That's assault. You can't throw water bottles of people again. You have to gather peaceably. To protest. Now the president of the United. States don't care if it's Obama or Carter or Clinton or Bush or or trump. If. He wants to walk down the street. He wants to go somewhere. The Secret Service is going to clear the area. That's protocol that standard operating procedure nothing out of line happened the other day. When the president decided, he would walk over to the church Saint John's the two hundred five year old church that was burned the night before by by rioters. Nothing wrong with that and he was walk there. I'm sorry. You think that you'll protesters in place. And the President of watches sift his way through them. Come on man, let's get a clue. Let's. Let's stop the garbage. All right I've got about a minute for you you. It's all your lizards. All yours line one Michael gotta go fast. What's up? Hey, Joe. I wasn't trying to justify the please actions. I was trying to understand the same called in earlier. Yeah, okay, appreciate you know one call per week I'm not sure what happened if we lost connection is because I'm up on you. I love you like a brother, but yeah, no you know, I'm. I'm not sure where you're going with that, but I gave you my recent my reaction immediately, and it was time for him to for me to move onto the phone. Call. Appreciate your listening though Michael Callback next week. We'll do it again. I'll give you more time. one, eight, hundred, five, zero, one seventy. Seventy I've got millions of people listening and I want to have an opportunity to get through can't have the same guy call in a couple of times, but you love you like a brother. One, eight, hundred, five, zero, one seventy eighty joepags DOT com. We'll continue. The conversation had some pretty incredible interviews this week. That hopefully will enlighten you on different perspectives on the same issue here. This is the weekend with joepags. Radio, stations across the land joepags Dot Com. All social media there make sure that you stop by. Appreciate having along for the ride. The weekend with joepags is on the air I I got together with lieutenant colonel. Allen West who recently had a motorcycle accident. By the way we all very afraid for them. We're all praying for him. He is back up running and literally running. He'll explain that during the interview and he's part of a Super Pac out there to support the president of the United States, and we talk about that. It's Lieutenant Colonel Allen West. Colonel Listen I appreciate having you on. How are you? I'm doing well just. Going through my pre up because I had a motorcycle accident as you know, and I got the game, so shoulder surgery on Monday so I mean we all saw that. Go down in the news the top trend listen colonel. If you WANNA trend, maybe don't do it that way. We. Tell me. Run not turn that way myself. You sound good. You're in good spirits i. mean you just tell me a little while ago seventy five mile an hour crash? WHAT THE HECK! Yeah back from Austin Texas, we just had a little rally down there and there was a group of four of us. I was the lead. Motorcyclists so I was in the Left Front. Stagger position in the center lane I saw card looking like it was gonna cut over in front of me just north of Waco and she was all get out. They did cut over in front, but the motorcycles was behind me I don't know if he was being attention or anything, and he just ran right up on me, and so he took out from the. Man Thank. God, you're okay another. It's going to be a road. You're talking about surgeries and everything else, but but you sound like you're in good spirits, and and we were scared to death for you for a minute and thank God you're okay. Oh, absolutely I mean I got up around four and a half miles this this morning, so that how many people can do that I've never won four and a half miles of my life. You did it this morning after a motorcycle crash. Come on. Well you know. Also saw. The limitless listen. Appreciate you taking the time today committee to defend the president, DOT com. Go there and find out about about what group is doing that. Let's talk about what's happening in the streets of America though I don't know if you're aware of this because you've been the doctors all day, but oh yeah, but Dwayne Johnson the rock came out and did an eight minute video today. Asking the president is where are you? We need your compassion. We need you to unify us. Colonel if Dwayne Johnson wanted to, couldn't he meet with Donald Trump and couldn't pay for the coalition and actually do something positive instead of just putting video saying what we'd like to see. Why aren't you doing this? That or the other? I mean people are blaming the president for four hundred years of strife in this country, which is ridiculous, but but Guy Doing Johnson, he could get a hold of the president today, and probably meet him, and maybe start something good it. Wouldn't that be a better way to do it. Well they'll be better way to do it, but I'm sick and tired of people trying to take us back on. Say You know demoralize? America Racist country as a matter of fact. The People WanNA talk about suspended racism it comes from the political party has been the the purveyors assist immigration, right? That's who you see, the Democrat Party, and when you look at the failures in these urban populations and community centers that's been under Democrat control for fifty sixty years. They turned them into modern day economic plantations. We can all agree to what we saw happen to. To George Flare Up the apples soda was wrong. It was heinous. Guess what Indianapolis Minnesota is controlled by Democrats but the soda. The State is controlled by Democrats, and you know they will go through the proper education system, but that doesn't mean it doesn't give people the right to go out and start you know torching days and building looting and things of this nature. And the bottom line is burning and looting and they're. They're torching their own neighborhoods. You're talking about a target that employed a ton of black people in that neighborhood, talking about an autozone that employ a bunch of people. Many of them happen to be black. It's in that neighborhood that the target was put there because they want to help revitalize that area, but instead of. Of of lifting up the neighborhood and saying we've got to do better than this, and then calling the police out of calling the mayor out, but instead burn and loot, and you've got to Keith Ellison as the Attorney General in that state, saying the police should use a soft hand on looters and on rioters. What are we living in bizarro world colonel get it. We are living in a bizarre Keith Ellison should be doing is making sure the he has the right type of prosecution and again that little slow response time for the officers that had his deal. To fly back and then the other three, it took quite some time to get the proper charges. There said that's when these people there in the city of Minneapolis. said that the state of Minnesota to realize you got a powder keg situation where your has just the same as you saw with arbitrary down at Georgia right so their lack of immediate response should be the reason why everyone is obsessed. Join Johnson should be talking to the people of Minnesota President. Trump has nothing to do with illegal criminality and people are gonNA join. Johnson should be talking to Hollywood after his his colours. They're out there bailing out. People are rioting and looting. I couldn't agree more to ten of colonel. West Senior Adviser for committee to DEFEND THE PRESIDENT DOT COM. It's a super PAC So when you see the president getting blamed you and I both lived through Obama for eight years of Obama. He'd added us. Obama did not want a guy like you happen to be black galaxy happen to be white to talk to each other. It's easier to divide us and then control. Is that way this president comes in doesn't exponentially better job. Job Helping out all communities. Everybody enjoyed tax break. Everybody is enjoying lower regulations. We all saw Black Hispanic unemployment or the lowest. We've had in our history before corona virus yet for some reason, this guy gets the brunt of the racist attacks. Why is that? Why is that a play that works for the Democrats who as you said are the party of the lynchings and segregation and Jim Crow and slavery. That's the party of the KKK. How were they successful in twisting that message? Because we have people that are too cowardly to stand up and say that to the Democrat Party to say that to the United States of America. Would you think about the last set of the Union address with President Trump stood there gave and education opportunity scholarship to a nine year old black girl from the inner city of Philadelphia, and they panned over to the faces of the rational black caucus members all Democrat, and what did. Did you see you saw turned up? Faces scowling faces data about plot. They didn't match here. You think about the support has panic. I mean his historic black colleges and universities. You think about what the president has done with the economic. Opportunities Oems, and then also criminal justice reform. How you going to call a Guy Racist? Barack Obama Council the DC school voucher program may two thousand nine. You WanNa. Talk about something this racist. Hall things you could do the tell young deserving minority kids and a place like DC that they don't deserve equality of opportunity to to have a good education, but yet you know no, he gets a pass. He gets a pass because of a skin tone, which is not to me. I made this case a million times. My shown I mean this. I'm more like a black American than Barack Obama is in the sense that because of my heritage, because my regular guy. Guy He wasn't here's an elitist. That grew up in Hawaii far away from anywhere spent a lot of time in Indonesia, far away from anywhere. And then he claimed the south side of Chicago his hometown. I don't know if you if you ever saw this, but he was actually the baseball game going on, and and and he said that he was a lifelong white sox fan and the announcer, just a very innocuous question. He said Mr President. Who are your favorite players? I could do. He couldn't name one one player on his can name you. Every player of the nineteen seventy seven New York Yankees roster every last one because that was my team, so it's strange to me that he somehow relates colonel is an only because of his skin tone. He doesn't relate in any other way. Is it only because of that? All all the ball off the soft bigotry of low expert places. Does get a pass. is able to do all of these things, and that's a sad statement on the United States America's. You know I was born it back sixty one at a blacks only hospital in Atlanta Georgia spalding hostile. I granted the same day, but the game was doctor. Judy they'll false more neighborhood Dr. King talked about how he wanted this country. Get to a point where they judged. You know each other on the content of their character by color scam. Well, yeah, here we are in two thousand twenty. We'll go right back in the opposite direction. What he hoped for, he listened the race baiters on the left and I'm sure you know this are using his words and misconstruing them. They're alleging that that Martin Luther. Luther King Junior said rioting was the voice of the unheard. He continued in that statement to say, but writing will hurt, and this is his word the Negro it will not help it will. It will hurt the cause. You have to do it peacefully. You have to do it silently. You have to show force without violence. He said that, but that's being ignored. How can you possibly change the words of the man who died literally for the cause? Because you cherry pick you pick and choose what you think applies to. Your ideological agenda, and when you think about you know, the whole country agreed with what happened to George floor was horrible heinous. We were able. We all agreed that we were unify unified, but then guess what the left comes in as rival male, says never let a crisis go to waste. And they looked at how they could leverage this for their ideological agenda, and now they've lost the moral high ground and. And for them to come back and talk about we need to be unified were unified until you guys went out there and brought in Antifa, which is the second domestic terrorist organization that the Democrat Party has created here in the United? States of America, yeah, how not different than the KKK other than the the masks are black instead of being a white hoodies Lieutenant Colonel Allen West Senior Adviser Committee to defend president. Kelly to defend the president dot com political action committee, so the president is under fire constantly you and I know what he's done for. Every community and I know how fair how equal how how uplifting he's been from black community. I've had I've had Dr Carson a million times. because Hud is doing the opportunity zones that you mentioned he is fixing. He's reforming. Reforming the criminal justice system that was put in place by WHO Bill Clinton and Joe Biden. That's who put these in place. It was actually Biden's bill. Hillary Clinton called young black men superpredators yet for some reason, the media is successful. Hollywood is successful, a lot of black people, a lot of loud black voices in this country. Think this guy's a racist white supremacist. Colonel. How do we beat that? How do we fix that going into November because we know what this guy's done? Well. We got people like you and others on talk. Radio is all across the the inflammation spirit. You got you guys have to stay on the same sheet music, and that's one of the reasons why for the chairmanship of the Republican Party of taxes? Because we gotta do a better job energy the Republican Party of Texas. Joe was founded by a hundred and fifty blacks on independence. Day of eighteen. Nobody knows that Carnahan nobody knows that. And that's a shame that's a shame that the the largest red-state largest conservative state United States America. It's Republican Party was founded by one hundred fifty bucks on Independence Day of Eighteen, sixty, seven, one of the earliest chairman for the Republican Party of Texas, was a black businessman by the name of doors, right cudi from eighteen, eighty, four to eighteen, ninety eight, and that's what we have to do. We have to combat than what the truth to Quebec with history, and there's going to be a documentary coming up next month. Call Uncle Tom is executive produced by Larry Elder I just happened to be honored to be in it. I think that's GonNa. BE A game changer. And I I love you so my tweets I love you. Follow me I. Follow you on twitter, but tweeted yesterday a picture that I wrote a mean that said calling somebody uncle Thomas, actually a compliment. It's not an insult. This man died protecting the whereabouts of escaped slaves as he tried to get people freedom through the underground railroad. Why have we made that a pejorative? Why is that somehow an insult? Because again people don't read, don't out of four people are not really educated there for the progressive socialist left and groups like they have black lives matter and he's radical elitists black, super able to take that term uncle talent as well as sell out house. You go what? Other things and and really turned out against the real essence of the black media, which is conservative nature so concerned because of his always been a part of of of our community, and we look at something like Booker T. Washington up from slavery. They have demonized denigrated him, and when they've elevated a radical a com-! Disavowed his citizenship at wbz divorced. It's amazing how history can be misconstrued, and you know what the Damn Book is available. Go read Uncle Tom's cabin. It's available. You don't have to listen to somebody WHO's on twitter. It is Lieutenant Colonel Allen West. Senior Adviser Committee to defend the President Dot Com one last question you see General Kelly and mattis come out now, and suddenly they've got a problem with the president that they both worked for Mattis and Kelly have been hated by the left. Guess what Jah Colonel. They're both loved by the left today suddenly. They're the left's heroes. But what are your thoughts about? The speaking out against the president that gave them both the chance, and it just didn't work out. All Remember when Joel Colin Powell came out the block. Baba, basically because his feelings for that, he was not kept on the second ministration, right. President Bush these these journalists eight to understand, but they took them out, and when they start to get into these political macintoshes, and they start to surrender their honor and integrity. It just look to be used like you say about the progressive social stuff they do not really care for. and so now. To God who wants as someone that they did not to four, just like Joan, portrayal, he was greatly attacked by. Now they want to elevate Joel our. Generals the generals and Apologize to the US so they're Minnesota thing. Or the way it is a Lieutenant Colonel West. ADVISOR COMMITTEE TO DEFEND THE PRESIDENT DOT COM go to that website committee to defend the president dot com colonel. I'm glad that you're okay. Hopefully, the whenever procedure have coming up on Google. Easy for you and we appreciate you taking the time. Let's do it again soon. You also. Always a pleasure to talk to Lieutenant Colonel Allen. West Great Guy. We were definitely afraid for when we heard that news in that in that motorcycle accident was surprised that he wanted to come on the program so quickly and great information as always from the man your thoughts when we come back one eight, hundred, five, zero, one, seven, zero eight joepags DOT COM. Stay writer. Great to have you? It's the weekend with joepags. One, eight, hundred, five, zero, one seventy eighty joepags DOT COM I. appreciate you stopping by. Let me go to the phone lines. Say Hello and welcome to line four. Five. Scott is in Michigan. Hi, Scott. What's going on? Hey, Joe how's it going this afternoon joining? Fourteen year veteran of the US Navy flaky for the. Teaching in the black community, and just wanted to make a little bit of a crash on the First Amendment, there the actual part about assembly is or the right of the people peaceably assemble, Comma and to petition the government for the of grievances. Right now it's exactly what I said because that's exactly what I said though. Now, he said four ninety four I i. read it exactly I. Read it word for word out of the Constitution. So maybe you misheard it, but that's okay. I'm listening. Go ahead. Good Point, a lot of people do say for Joe. They say right to peaceably assemble. Four are redress of grievances. Just read it way that it's written. Okay, cool I'm sorry. I thought I heard you say for him and then. We'll go ahead. Make your point. No, there's a lot of unrest going on in Michigan. You've got a governor. Who I guess doesn't care about social distancing when you want to gather and protest, and and do whatever you're doing, but she wants to arrest a seventy seven year old guy on Awasa. Who wants to cut hair, so she's she's. Marie Antoinette to be honest with you. Again His print Michigan Supreme Court case yesterday. It's awesome. That's good news, but the the the the attorney general and the governor keep on going after him either way. She and her social distancing only really counts when it's about her dictatorship and her tyrannical rule. It's not about her life. It's not about it's not about protesting. She's picking and choosing as she has from the beginning, and that's pretty lane. Right and and just to give you an example of this latest executive order starting on Monday I can go to my local brew pub are. UNRULY, and being a room with a hundred and twenty five people and S-, particularly to this part of the First Amendment. I'm still not allowed to have more than ten people at my house. Nuts. It's the. Right so I mean they might actually be like family. Friends people that I hang out with anyway. It's to me. It's crazy because again. We actually have met I. Appreciate you calling in and the attempt to correct, I didn't say four, but either way I'm glad that there is a deliniation. There is a comma that means the next part is end to petition the government for redress of grievances so at the end of the day. What you have in place like Michigan and it's being backed up by so-called medical experts. Now is you can gather all you want. If you go protest and say black lives matter, but you can't gather to go and protest the government that said you have to stay at home because that's somehow is backed by white supremacy. Reported by Tucker Carlson last night. Literally. They're saying. It's not a health problem or a medical problem with covid nineteen fear to gather to go protest. Inequality in the police or something. But if you want to gather to protest. The stay at home orders that was being backed by white supremacists that was reported by Tucker last night. That that's how nuts it's become. In our country. That's crazy to me. We're going to continue the conversation. After the top of the hour, we'll get a lot of people WANNA be. To take plenty of phone calls, I've got interviews coming your way as well I. do think there's a solution here once we take a breath realized we're all. Miss Together and those who keep on attacking the president. I triple dog. Dare you to meet with him. Those of you with influence and sway meet with him. Be Part of the solution. Coming back. This is the weekend with joepags. Across America it's the weekend with joepags to talk to Joe Call, eight, hundred, five, zero, one seventy eighty, and now the weekend. Here's joepags. Stations across the Land Joepags Dot Com, the social media there plus the live video feed. It's the weekend with Joepags led to have you along for the ride favorite go to that website. JOEPAGS DOT COM, scroll down and put your email address where it says email address, and there's a box there and click unsubscribe. You got an email. Monday through Saturday when I do a show explaining who's going to be on the program where we're GONNA BE, talking Talking about much more, there's a lot to get to not a whole lot of time to get to it. I haven't taken a ton of phone calls today, but with the unrest happening in the country. There's a confusion about what you're allowed to do. Not Allowed to view the first amendment. There's also a confusion as some sort of idea of of systemic racism. The fact is more white. People are killed every year by police than black people. Now for some reason, those who are making the argument that black people are targeted, and there's a genocide happening which there's not, they're saying. Yeah, but why? People are twelve or thirteen percent of the population, whereas white people are between sixty and sixty five percent of the population. I guess their thought process is. If sixty or sixty five percent of the population is white, sixty or sixty five percent of those killed by police should be white. Their per capita, there's a larger amount of black people killed by police than white. But per. Contact with police. The numbers change. The fact is and we've got to find out why this is. There is more police contact with black people in America than with any other race. Why is that? There are more people black people convicted of committing crimes per capita by a lot than any other race. Why is that? And they have to start asking yourself. Those killed by police have any race background or ethnic origin origin. How many were actually in the commission of an alleged crime? How many were armed? How many were unarmed? I mean the end of the day. What you have is people playing games with numbers and pretending something's happening. That isn't. What is important is to understand the perspective of particularly a young black man. George Floyd wasn't necessarily a young black man. But. Young black men see themselves in him. So what do they see? What they know? There is a bigger. Hatred for police. Generally speaking and young black men in lower income areas than anywhere else. Why is that well? There is a history of young black men being treated badly by police in this country. That history through hard work through dedication through people like mlk and others. That history was overturned with the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four. Did that piece of legislation? Did that change everything on the dime? No. NOPE At the same time there is this hatred by many young black men specifically. For police, there's also a fear. In many who are either police or other than young black men of young black men. Is that fair. I'M GONNA say no it's not. Is it righteous no. Is Real, yes. So, what do we do? Set up a young black man. Assuming the police officer is bad and is out to get him. I want him to take every police officer for who he or she is and decide who they are with that connection with that contact. Instead of police or other than young black men, being afraid of young black man. I want them to take every young black man as who they are until they show that there's a reason to feel good or bad about them. How do we get there? We don't get there by having Stephen Jackson. You know attacking the president on Instagram. He's a former NBA player who facially has very similar Look to George Floyd and they happen to know each other. He calls George Floyd his twin. Instead of saying we've got to do something to make this better. I want to meet with the president and Steven Jackson probably could. Oh No, you're going to be out of office in November and don't you put my twins naming your mouth or something what? We talking about. Or dwayne Johnson the Rock saying, where are you? We need leadership while not going to the White House to meet with the man. Or the other celebrities that I mentioned who are raising money to bail people out of jail who are violent looters and rioters? They're not doing what can affect change. They believe or throwing gasoline on the fire some more than others. Why is that? Why are people acting as if? This president had anything to do with what happened to George Floyd. Those police officers were all officers way before he was the president. Minneapolis has been run by far left wing Democrats for a very long time. The mayor, a far left wing anti-trump Democrat hired the police chief. So. How exactly did President Trump do this? How did he cause the problem? And nobody seems to have an answer well because he's racist. Though when you say well, what did you do? This racist became answer. I've got a coming up with. Horace, Cooper. He's author who wrote a book about all this. President has actually done. For Black, people in this country. And it's a lot. Of His book is how trump is making black America great again the untold story of black advancement in the era of trump. Story that won't be told by anybody in the left because they need to keep the power and control on minorities in the country if you're a black person or Hispanic. In this country. The left needs to control you. The left needs you not to talk to a white conservative like me. 'cause if you do. We have a meeting of the minds. We might not agree on everything, but we might have a meeting of the minds. We might actually look look at each other and say man I see eye to eye with you on that or here's why I don't. Agree with you on that. Think about it. If, we spoke to each other. And we we rejected the division pushed by people like Obama and other far left Wing Democrats We actually would realize that we have the power. And that we have the ability to force a positive change. Attacking. Somebody sitting in the white. House who had nothing to do with any of this? For some reason, it makes the left feelgood because the left now knows we won't talk to each other. Dwayne John, listen, my show Monday through Fridays on one hundred thirty stations, the Joe pags. Show. According to Talkers magazine four point five million unique listeners every week. This show has I believe even more affiliates. and. Probably millions of more listeners. Having, said all of that Dirac is not gonNA. Come on my show. Steven Jackson Not GonNa come to my show. Chrissy Teigen John Legend then come to my show. The rush has millions and millions and millions of listeners. So does Sean millions and millions and millions of listeners. They should go on on a media outlet that they don't think they agree with. These Hollywood types these people. Generating more. Hostility and education. Go and talk to somebody. You don't think you're gonNA agree with and then have your mind blown that you actually do see eye to eye that you want peace. You want understanding you want a better America. You don't want a preconceived notion of young black men in America and and you also don't necessarily want a preconceived notion of police officers. That's how you fix it. Not by disbanding the police department like Minneapolis is trying to do which probably won't stand up in court. That's so stupid, but you're not going to solve anything by doing that. We go to the phone lines your thoughts on all of this and much more. Let me say a Lotta Todd who's in Virginia. Todd what's going on? Hey Joe thanks for taking my call I could comment on so many things right now I mean I actually college with Jake and the Mayor of Minneapolis. Yeah! That was he still that guy in college? Was He this far left wing? Weirdo mean he's just an oblong. He was but most people in college were then a while ago so. But The reason I call is I was actually in DC last night, north walking north of Lafayette Park and happened to notice They were as essentially cash of bottles you know. Packs of bottled water jugs of milk carton cartons of storable food coolers food. Somebody has brought this stuff in these protesters, and they're also bringing ship of shipments of Brixton and hiding behind bushes right and you know just has an underpinning of anarchist you know. planning and also the I duNNo, if you had heard about this, but the federal courthouse in Richmond was also spray painted with the targeting symbol that has been using. Police Department I think discovered a cache of accelerates So. This is almost nothing now it's turning. Like a hard coup since the salt coup didn't work right I agree with you and calling anti terrorist that they are is a smart move now you have the the enforcement ability to go out there and get these people. Somebody's dropping off pallets of bricks. They want young black men to grab the bricks and throw them so that they can now be attacked by authorities, so we can say we have another victim of the of the horrible. The White Supremacist government that we have to somehow dismantle ANTIFA is a bad group. It's a band of bad people that are basically the new generation of their own ancestral. Forefathers the KKK. It's the modern day KKK and they're perpetrating the same thing when you take the masks off, they all look like the KKK looked their hoods off at the end of the day. When you know that they're inciting violence, stop the BS about how it's a problem. It is a problem with this uprising. You can solve the problems as you I'm. I'm sure we'll agree by having the conversation. You're not going to solve the problem by letting people run roughshod and pretend they're covered by the First Amendment I had the conversation with the former Antifa guy last hour, and it's funny. He said the anti highs behind the first amendment in their effort to get rid of the constitution. That's very weird to me. Absolutely I I appreciate the insight. Thanks for letting. US Know Virginia in Washington DC. The idea that there's going to be even bigger protests in front of the White House today still again doesn't make any sense. I'll ask anybody who thinks the president is the problem here. What did he do? What did he do to precipitate what we're seeing in America today what? What finger what fingernail did he have involved in the death of George Floyd? or any perceived or real police brutality. What did he do how he the deal or is this really about the November election? Eight, hundred, five, zero, one seventy. JOEPAGS DOT com stay here. Have you. It is the weekend with joepags. One, eight, hundred, five, zero, one seventy eighty joepags. Dot Com to Ginette in New York Ginette what's going on? I wanNA thank you very much. I agree with everything. You're saying I don't have the long again it up to the people that I feel the same way. But, also, there's one thing you're sailing jokes. Maybe don't break. All these people I think be becoming communist sympathizers like the questions. Obama's and Komal and just said Oh. Just shut the heck up. Well, not only the communist sympathizer I. Think they're Socialists, sympathizers and socialists and you have to understand I'm sure you do is where the people are controlled. Everybody has exactly the same nobody can prosper. Nobody can go out and be successful. Entrepreneurial ship is killed, and those who are the elites like Obama Lie Cuomo like de Blasio there sitting on top as the Kings or Queens so they reap all the benefits. That's exactly what they're doing because they're looking out for number one and. And they don't care that they that they squash their dreams and the hopes and the ability to to live as we want free liberated of the people they literally are trying to make their own elite class where they are basically who that they weren't the Kremlin, basically who the Castro brothers have been in Cuba for all these years they want that sort of system with which is always failed. It's never succeeded, but they still think that they want to put that on us. That's it exactly and now if these people are so, let's help this one that one well. Why don't they give up some of their millions of dollars in healthy people instead of making all the people like me, that work their lives off. To give out to everybody else, but themselves well. Don't hold your breath. That's not going to happen. They have what they have and they think they deserve it. They don't think you deserve it however. Well when they get his hands, dancer, Mommy and Daddy. What the heck you know! I had to work for for sixty years. Dinette, I gotcha and listen. Working Ford is the American Way and that opportunity is the American way. The idea that somebody should now say yeah, but you shouldn't have that. Much Obama really did say You know at some point. Yeah, you have enough money. He actually said that. Who Are you? The guy's worth? What ten ten thirty forty billion? How many how many million saying be? It's not be. It's an Tim forty million fifty million. At what point does he have enough money? By the way I. Don't begrudge him that money. He earned it. It says I. Don't want it. Wealth is not a zero sum game. Because Obama has a bunch of money or trump has a bunch of money doesn't mean I can't have a bunch of money I can, so, can you? There's not one pool of money. Wealth is something that you earn through through having good ideas or working your ass off or whatever. I also don't begrudge somebody who was handed the money down. Just don't live like a king or queen or monarch looking down your nose at me, saying you should only have the bread I give. You don't worry about the steak on eating. That's weird and go back. Something that I said on my show several weeks ago and some people still doing this. HASHTAG resists the fish. HASHTAG resist the fish. What does that mean? It's an old saying it's a it's a saying. That will hold true till the end of time if you give them. Eat for a day. You teach a man to fish elite for a lifetime. What does that really mean? That means you're reliant on me for the fish. I. Give you the fish you vote for me. You then do for me. What I say or she'll get a fish tomorrow. You teach me how to fish you teach. That guy had a fish. He's going to be living free. Liberated. Go Out and get his own dinner for the family. Doesn't have to turn to the government for reliance doesn't have his handout entitlement. Toronto control in this country entitled aren't about helping people. They're about controlling people. If I give the man the fish I control whether he eats if I teach him how to fish, he controls. When and how and how much he eats. which is a better way for human being? To be reliant on somebody else for the fish were to go and catch them. It's simple. Conservatives believe you should learn how to fish. Liberals believe they should give you the fish. Resist the VICI- Hashtag. Resist the fish. It's all I'm saying. Let's go to Mike and Mike. What's going on I? I doing go thanks to my call. A A quick comment. been listening this week watching the news. And a lunatic now this posing as a sixty defense. Disgrace. I'm seventy two years old I'm an ex Vietnam veteran. If I told my commanding the Hey, listen man I don't think the body count is high enough yet. When when I think it's great all right, I'll come out and help you. You know what happened to me. I hope the same thing happens to him. He's a frigging disgrace. He belongs out of the military. He needs to be caught Marshall and tomorrow morning. When I wake up I hope the hell. He's been dismissed from the Obama Administration. That's all I wanna say all right Mike. He's at the trump administration it's. It's mark. ASPER is the defense secretary. He came out this week and said he didn't think. That, The eighteen o seven insurrection actors is in order here. Basically he went against the president publicly. And no I don't think he should be court martialed, but he certainly shouldn't have the job you've got to have. Somebody is events secretary? WHO's GONNA listen to the commander in chief? No matter who the commander in chief is. Obama had somebody who was there for him. Bush had somebody who was there for him. Clinton all down the line. You have to have somebody who's going to support wooded. Is that that you're that you're using? That's at at your behest. To Quell the violence in our cities. I was very surprised that s for had that to say. The Interaction Act eighteen seven makes sense to stop the violence, not protesters. The violence diluting the rioting. We come back horace. Cooper on what this. This administration has done for black Americans it here. This is the weekend with joepags. Member stations across the land, joepags DOT COM facebook, twitter instagram email. It's all right there plus the live video feed. It is the weekend with joepags Dewey favor. Stop on that website, Senate, for the newsletter and go following all the on all the social media I took a picture of me doing the job today, and it put it up on instagram little while ago. Check that out. It's Joe Talk. Show on Instagram facebook and twitter at J., O. E., T. A. K. S. H. O. W.. W. Whichever your social media platform that you prefer going, check it out. We're over there. If you're on the new parlor or PARLAY ELLIARA DOT COM on their under joepags, follow over there as well glad to have this guy on. His name is Horace Cooper. He's an author. He's got a book. That's on the way it's called how trump is making black, America great again the untold story of black advancement in the era of trump or appreciate you coming on interesting book how You Doing? Good great to be on the program. You're really glad to have you on man. This is a hot topic, isn't it? Because those in the left, the agitators on the left would would have black America. Believe that this man is a white supremacist hates black. People who've has done nothing for black people. How do you combat that? How do you get through to people who believe that garbage? You know when I talked to people directly I tell them. This guy is the worst white supremacist ever I mean here. You have a man who, during three years set a record for the number of low unemployment rates for Black American. There is no president since the nineteen twenties where we have seen this many record, low unemployment achievements, he has put more pickup trucks in the driveways of black Americans and then he goes do his rallies, and he cheers. He encourages cheers for all of the accomplishments. Accomplishments for Black America the last I checked. The clan normally doesn't get excited in cheer when they hear about good news for Black American, I couldn't agree more in all that stuff that you just put out there as fact. When I was talking to Allen West about this a little while ago and I wanNA. Bring it up to you. People on the left US Tom as pejorative. You and I both know that uncle Tom and uncle Tom's cabin was a hero who died protecting slaves who escaped? What so it's, it's easy for the left to say everything you just said is a lie that was all caused by Obama that was even against trump's wishes. They got lucky and had all this stuff. Black people by more houses, only more businesses having lower unemployment. The truth of the matter is he really is a clansman, and he's a white supremacist. Don't believe what Horace said. See, this is the challenge I think of the progressive world, you and I. We wake up and we remember what happened yesterday and the day before even what happened a decade ago? But if you're progressive, every day is a fresh new day, and you get to disregard everything else under Barack. Obama's tenure on like Donald Trump. He set records. He set the modern record for the highest level of unemployment for Black Americans and and. He did that five different times. It is amazing how those who have been most destructive. Get to pretend. There's no reason for us to remember any of the data any of the details. This is why I wrote the book because I wanted people to see not what I'm offering up as opinions. I want them to actually see the facts. It is Horace Cooper that's his name. Get this book how trump is making! Making Black America great again. The untold story of black advancement in the era of trump, so yes, you giving facts, we're talking facts. We will continue to deal in reality, and not in feelings, having said that Barack Obama were on the ballot is November. He probably would get ninety five percent of the black vote may wrong about that. Because maybe people are Waking Up, I've heard and this is from the trump campaign and. And others that they're hoping to get twenty or thirty percent of the black vote, which would be ten times with John McCain could have hoped for when he ran in two thousand eight. So what's really going to happen in November are black Americans waking up and they're afraid to speak out those who know the facts. They'll be shouted down by the radical left, or are they not waking up? which what's the reality? Okay so let's give a little bit more. Fact says I'm interested in my book Barack. Obama said record for the highest number of black Americans to vote for him when he ran against John McCain, but what another dubious record that he said he was the first president who successfully was reelected, who received fewer black votes that is, we've had four years of your administration, and all of a sudden, the numbers trailed off. In fact, there is no president who has. has ever been successfully re elected? Who received fewer black votes Ronald Reagan, received more George W Bush received more Richard. Nixon received more black Americans signaled as as early as two thousand twelve that they were having a concern, and then we watched what happened in two, thousand, eighteen in the state of Georgia in the state of Texas and the State of Florida, but for the role that black Americans face in the case of Georgia and Florida with blacks on the ticket. The black vote decided that the Republican conservative person running would ultimately prevail. You look at the numbers, and that's why I wanted people to see. My Book is about data. My book is about explaining the reality black Americans aren't in favor of the radical policies that are being put forward, and all that happened in two thousand sixteen was that black men from mathematically voted for the Republican candidate Donald Trump, and if that trend continues, you're very very likely to see. See Record territory in terms of black vote for the GOP in twenty twenty, what it would be historically correct, l. explain that in a second it's Horace Cooper. How trump is making black? America great again. The untold story of black advance the era of trump, you and I both know that that blacks in America were historically Republican. In fact, the Republican Party of Texas was founded by a group of black people in the eighteen seventies at the end of. Of the day, the switch didn't happen in the sixties or seventies with blacks voting for Democrats, it happened in the twenties and thirties when FDR lied about the new deal. Black America said. We're GONNA. Hold my nose and vote for Democrats because they promise a better economic life. And of course they were lied to. Because service workers were excluded from the new deal. Therefore, blacks and Hispanics did not reap the benefits of the new deal. How do we convince black? Black people who are conservative by nature to go back to their roots, and realized that the Party of Segregation and slavery and the KKK is the party that still trying to control them the Democrats. How do we get through that barrier that's built up by Hollywood by the media, and by Black Americans who are race baiting like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson How do we get back to the black families and tell them this is the party for you. So there's a country Western song that explained who GonNa believe me or your lying eyes what the left is saying to black? America is over the last three years up. Until the COVID covid nineteen pandemic, more black Americans got new houses. More Black Americans got more money leftover in the month. Instead of more months leftover at the end of the money, more black Americans were able to. To get their kids into better schools, more black Americans set, and I can go down the list I. Continue More Black Americans got to grandma for Thanksgiving in the three years of the trump administration. Then we've seen for the last twenty. Five is remarkable and the real question is. How easy is it going to be to convince those people who have been saying in survey after survey? Survey over the last three years that they believe these are the policies that are good for them and their families. The progressives don't actually have anything to offer, but racial division in fact as I. Make Up the this strongpoint in my book black Americans when it comes to the progressive agenda. Is that the back of the political bus much more interested in if you've been paying attention? Attention, they're much more interested in Latino America they're much more interested in the green new deal. They're much more interested in the lesbian gay agenda than they are in actual policies that would be beneficial to black. America and I know this because I can look and see the House of Representatives what they're voting on. What bills are being introduced and what their leaders are talking about. The idea that Black Americans get a quote commission that's going to study reparation or war as now Mr Biden offers a commission to to address crime and the role of law enforcement, while trillions are going to be spent on the green new deal while untold legislation after legislation is introduced and pushed. That is designed to benefits. People who are not even Americans. But who are Latinos and wish to come to this country? Black Americans are seeing this and that. A message that can't be hidden from. It is Horace Cooper. He's an author. The name of the book is how trump is making black America great again, the untold story of black advancement in the era of trump I agree obviously with everything you just said because it's fact based and Joe Biden by the way he's going to reform the policies that he championed when they were put in place by the way that that's interesting is Joe. Biden versus Joe Biden, but he also did. The Cameron said if there's some sort of a question whether to vote for trump, Burmese, the you ain't black. And then he said things. Things like they're gonNA. Put you all back in chains. This guy has been race baiting for as long as I can remember, he's one of the lead racists as far as policy goes as far as desegregation went back in the day. How's it getting away with that horse? Why is anybody who is so-called of color I have color, too, but we're calling people people of color while they ever back Joe Biden knowing what his history is that it's clear as day is black and white. You can read it anywhere. We know who this guy is. Why are they letting off on this? Simply because he's not trump? All the left has to offer. Is Racism itself? They have no vision. They have no plan. They have no hope all they have is racist division now it's true that mister. Biden is apologizing for his role in the crime bill, but a lot of folks remember aren't paying attention. What about midnight basketball? In fact, one of the reasons that the Congress became Republican for? For, the first time in forty years was the Joe Biden Crime Bill if it wasn't just about what he did. With regard to blacks and prisons, but a whole host of sociological activity that the American people reject and to present it again and pretend like we haven't been down. That road again is exactly what I meant by. When you're progressive, you get to wake up. Up Every day, and you don't have to be worried or distracted by any of the facts of yesterday, the plans that have and that they're putting forward or hurtful. They will be destructive for black. America, they will be destructive for White America and those plans are being seen by black America the same way in two thousand eighteen. Those plans were rejected even when black candidates. Candidates were running for office going into this book right now. Horace Cooper is his name The book is called how trump is making America great again. The untold story of black advancement in the era of trump makes going. Check that out. Great Information your thoughts. We come back. Your phone calls at one eight, hundred, five, zero, one seven eighty joepags dot com. Stay here. Avenue the weekend with joepags, hundred, five, zero, one, seventy, eighty, one, eight, hundred, five, zero, one, seven, zero, eight zero joepags dot com. Let me go to the phone lines. I appreciate your patience Carl. What's going on, hi? Joe. Yes first of all for going on nine years. You have always a pill, my first amendment rights. Please don't stop now number one. St Greeting in Communist China for decades was. Have you eaten next Joe since this began nearly two weeks ago of a national insanity. Are was trying to get a snapshot of it in my brain, and it hit me. What is it like? This is the American? Kristallnacht you know the term, the night of the broken glass. Well the not see cycle babboons incited the General German public to pillage and destroy anything remotely Jewish. Well when it became coast to coast, Give or take. Destroy Kill Learn Lou steel tillage. I think you'll get the message and then. As a dog lover since my birth seventy two years ago now. I've modeled at this. Anyone would agree that a dog. No matter how lovable has a brain, the size of a golf ball and I never heard or saw dog denigrate insult or mean anyone, especially in ugly racist terms with the brain, the size of a golf ball and look at the so-called two-legged human beings. Give me a break. I just thought I'd offer that for anyone listening. Appreciate the inside. My man appreciate you waiting on, appreciate you getting through. It's going to be one eight, hundred, five, zero, one seventy eighty joepags dot com Jonah's in Michigan Hi John. Thanks for taking my call Every single liberal I talked to up to and including my lovely wife when I asked them what so racist about trump? They all go back to Charlottesville good people on both sides now you and I both know he was talking about the towns people that. paid a fee or whatever for a peaceful protests of tearing down the statues, but the MS mainstream media has done such a good job of hammer in that home. I think trump and his organization should have fought harder to wipe that one clean, so your wife actually believed that he was A. Racist Statement to I the only Republican and that. My in laws, House that I'll tell you what it's painful I tried and tried. She doesn't won't talk to me about it, but yeah all the things to the years. That man has done for the black community. And something so silly to Besmirch all that is just beyond me. I cannot. I can't understand. Yeah the president's quote is actually very very clear. When it comes to Charlottesville, he's talking about not necessarily those who are protesting rallying to support the the statue. He was talking about the issue there are. There are bad people on both sides. Our very fine people on both sides. He was talking about the issue of should these statues remain, or should they be taken down and there's a viable argument on both sides. He said that. The idea that he didn't say that is just stupid. I. Mean it's it's literally a perversion of what the man said he never ever once called neo, Nazis or skinheads or white supremacists very fine people. He was talking about the argument. There's an actual transcript available everywhere for you to go illuminate yourself as to what the actual truth is in that matter and I get so sick and tired of the lies but man. Trying to keep up with them all this is why they do what they flood the system with all these lies, and they try to pretend like it's true West, Ohio? What's going on? Hey, Joe Hey. Hey Man I just want to point something out. Another one of these stupid hypocrisies left. How when when something happens, they wanNA blame trump for everything and these cities and states. But when he tries to intervene. They WANNA say, he needs to leave it up to the governor's and the mayor's. I mean he could, he could stop a lot of this. If he won't or if they would let him actually well, they can't stop him to be honest with you. He could stop it if you wanted to go in there and take over, but you don't want to trample on states rights. You don't Wanna say that federalism or the Tenth Amendment are not valid they are, but he has the right as the as the chief executive to step in and say you're not stopping the violence. People are scared for their lives. We're going to step in now. He doesn't want to, but he can. Yeah, it's just another. It's just another one of the the hypocrisies you now how they They WANNA. Blame him for it, but then when he wants to come in and help, then they I'm no you. Can you don't have the right to do that? You can't do that. You know I it just just. The hypocrisy just blows me away and it just drives me nuts. Johnny does me as well and I appreciate the comments. Yeah, know the bottom line is this? The president is doing everything he can without trampling. On, states, rights, and it's very hard to do the state. You're supposed to allow them autonomy. You're supposed to allow them to take care of like with with covid nineteen. They were supposed to take care. Of their own citizens own residents. They failed horribly, so the federal government came in some were asking him to come in. Others didn't came in any way. Then the media acted like it was his fault to begin with. He should have been there from day. One no wrong. That's not how it works. The states have rights. The states have responsibilities. They have to step up for their people. When they don't then they can call them the president, or if they can't, they call them. The federal government than the president helps when it comes to what's happening now with the rioting, the looting and the violent protesting the states have to step up and get it done. If they're not getting it done. And residents are scared to death and can't live free liberated end peacefully. The president has every right to step in, and that's what he's talking about. It's really very simple to be honest with you. We're making more complicated because the left has to somehow justify it states against the president, no matter what he does, if he steps, and he's wrong if he doesn't step it, he's wrong if he does this for Cova. He's wrong if he doesn't do, he's wrong. They gotta get over that list. I'm going to take next weekend off. Be Back. The following weekend have a great week. That's DJ llegado one pack. This is the weekend with Japan.

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Book excerpt: A better theory of identity politics

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Book excerpt: A better theory of identity politics

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Hello and welcome to the show on the box media. PODCAST network this. This is a special episode this episode literally years in the making. This is an excerpt from audiobook from the book Why we're polarized? We're just coming out January twenty eighth but this is the first time anybody will hear or read or see the book in public. So I'm very excited to share it with you here on the podcast which felt right it to me. Because you're on the podcast worked out and worked through an argued over so many of the ideas so the exit I wanted to put here is from one of the early chapters I A and it is about identity it is about how identity functions in the human brain how it separates us from each other what it takes to trigger feelings and senses and ideas of identity and what happens once they are triggered it is foundational brick of the book trying to understand out. I think it's important when you're building an idea. Politics built it out of a consistent and rigorous idea of how humans actually function and this is one of my attempts to do it but the other reason I wanted it here is it is central also to some of the stories and ideas. We've been dealing with on this podcast. I think people heard me for a long time. Fighting the very narrow cramped way we think about identity politics and identity arguing that there's something much bigger here. We blinded ourselves to. This is the much bigger thing this does not tell you. Everything book does with these ideas. But I think we'll give you an idea of it and I think it also make a lot of things happening on this podcast make more sense so you can go. Listen to the audio buck get it on audible or via your audio books. You can preorder the book or depending on. We listened by wherever you get your bucks but here. I hope you enjoy this first excerpt from why where polarized iced your brain on groups in Nineteen Seventy Henry Taj fell published able anodyne title experiments and Intergroup Discrimination Nation. Rolls off the tongue. It would prove among the most important studies ever in social psychology and even today it stands as one of the most unnerving windows into the sub routines of the human mind. touchable began by recalling Slovene friend of his detailing the stereotypes his countrymen had for Bosnian immigrants. touchable doesn't record but the stereotypes but they stuck with him. He thought he had heard them or something like them before. He decided to test that hunch quote sometime later I presented this description to group of students at the University of Oxford and awesome to guess by whom it was used and whom referred the almost unanimous. This reply was that this was a characterization applied by native Englishmen to colored immigrants people coming primarily from the West indies India and Pakistan and unquote for miss to lessen discrimination varies in its targets and intensities across cultures. But it is surprisingly similar in its rationalizations nationalizations. Perhaps he thought the way we treat people. We decide aren't like us isn't a product of our specific culture or experience but something deeper something that reflects in humans think Organiz inbound their social world's tussle wrote the most important principle of subjective social order. We construct for ourselves is cost of groups as we and they and quote and once someone has become a. We're used to dismissing them. Competing against him. Discriminating against them and toss fell on hypothesizing particularly chilling sentence. We will do that quote. Even if there's no reason for it in terms of our own interests and quote it's worth dwelling on the radical conception of human nature Taj fellas advancing people on nurture their prejudices but they believe those prejudices casses reflected reality. We disliked those we disliked because we had reason to dislike them. This is the whole point of racial ethnic stereotypes the greed criminality venality or idiocy we scrub to others justifies our hatred or fear of them the Post Enlightenment view of humanity that we are rational individuals those whose actions may be inflamed by instinct but are ultimately governed by calculation. But what if it was the other way around but for loyalties and prejudices is are governed by instinct and merely rationalized as calculation. There's a reason Hausfeld had these doubts. His life had taught him a cruel lesson. How thin the film film of Human Civilisation Really was how near to the surface or barbarism lurked? And how flimsy yet central group identity could be. How quickly could shift from? I'm being meaningless to being the only thing that mattered. Tasha is a Polish Jew. Born in one thousand nine hundred eighteen. He emigrated to France in the Nineteen Thirties. Because Jews I couldn't get a university education in Poland with World War Two ripping through Europe. He joined the French army in nineteen thirty nine and was captured by the Germans in nineteen forty. He spent the next five years German prisoner of war camps. His student and collaborator John. Turner Road All through this period. He lived under the false identity entity of being French had been discovered by the German authorities that he was a Polish. Rather than a French Jew who had been killed this became Turner later recalled the base layer of tosh bells fixation on group. Identity quote the point he made was it no matter what his personal characteristics were or the quality leave his personal relationships with the German guards. Once his true identity had been discovered it was at social category membership of being Polish which would have determined the reaction of the guards and is ultimate fate. His personal attributes and identity as a unique individual would have proved unimportant and irrelevant to their response. Toshka returned to France in May nineteen forty five. He said hardly anyone I knew in nineteen thirty nine including my family was left alive and why it is parents from murdered. Why was his brother killed? The answer for them was the same as the answer for six million other Jews. They were Jewish. It is not hard to understand. Why a man who endured this era who survived only by slipping into an identity thieves? Not even his own would find himself obsessing over the psychology and substance of group identity pashcal theorized that the instinct of your own with favor and outsiders with hostility is so deeply learned that it operates independent of any reason to treat social relations as a competition. We do not need to hate or fear members of an out group to turn on them we do not need to have anything material gain by turning on them at all once we've classified them as well them. That's enough we'll find ourselves inclined hind to treat them skeptically even hostile because that is what we're used to doing with anyone we see at them. It's an automatic response Gooseflesh at rise on your arm and reaction to the a cold as a theory. It was elegant if a bit grim but it raised to predictions Tasha realized he could test experimentally the I think we were so tuned to sort the world into us and them it would do so based on the lightest cues the second. Is it once we had sort of the world into us and them who would act act with favor toward our group and discriminate against the outcrop even in the absence of any reason to do so. Top this theory Toshka conducted series of famous experiments. The farcical or the results not so chilling in the first sixty four boys between the ages of fourteen and fifteen were invited to Tasha laboratory Tori. The children came from the same school so they came into the experiment knowing one another already belonging to community together in the studies. I portion the boys were told the researchers wanted to test visual judgement. They're showing clusters of DOTS and asked to estimate how many they saw then sat and watched as a research is busily pretended handed to score their work then. The researcher said it wanted to take advantage of the boys presence there to run another test. One that was in no way related plated to the first to make life simpler. They're going to sort the boys into groups based on whether they'd guess higher low when judging dots in the other study in reality this is total fiction when the boys were split completely random. The new task consisted of handing out a limited amount of real money to other boys in the study the boys. It's were never giving themselves money. They're just allocating the others but the could see whether they were giving it to members of their group or the other group. Let's pause here here to emphasize the absurdity of situation sixty four boys all from the same school were brought into a lab and sorted into groups based on a meaningless characteristic heuristic. How accurately estimated dots on a screen and even? That wasn't true. Then they're moved into a different study when they had nothing to do with dots. What's at all were they? Were giving away money none of which they would ever get it was the lightest test group identity possible. It was so light that Tauch well did not expected elected to generate group behavior. Turner said later. He's idea was to establish a baseline of no intergroup behavior and then to add variables cumulatively relatively to see at what point intergroup discrimination occurred in other words. This first experiment with silly categorization is meant to be below the bar at which collective identity too cold to Tosh book. Then add stronger cues pinpoint what it took to make people see themselves as part of group here even toss fell despite his tragic past was underestimating. The power of group psychology. The results of this I has showed group at entity taking hold and mutating Tobias Ias quote a large majority of the subjects in all groups in both conditions. Keep more money to members of their own group than to members of the other group and unquote importantly this wasn't the best strategy for getting the most money out of the experimental and it was not the strategy. The boys chose when they weren't thinking in groups when told they were choosing between two members of their own group they tended to choose a fair assumption. Bone is between a member of their meaningless group and the other meaningless group they opted to make make sure they're co over or co under estimator whose name they didn't even know got more. Even everyone got less in total. The results were so striking the Nashville decided he needed to do a second study to make sure they held once again. He invited a bunch of boys into the lab. This time the boys were shown paintings by Paul. CLEA and Wassily Kandinsky and that's the chooser favored the paintings were shown without signatures so the boys could then be sorted at random into the group or the Kaminsky Group as research has moved on to the next experiment. Once again the boys were asked to hand out money knowing nothing other than that they. They were often allocating between participants agreed with their taste in art and participants who didn't and in reality. Even that thin read of group identity was false but this time the setup is designed to test whether making money for their group or screwing over. The outsiders is more important resembled kids and some scenarios boys would have to choose between maximizing the amount of money everyone received and maximizing how much more there group God even meant their group got less in total a lot of proved the more popular option reflect on that for a second the preferred to give their group lasts long as it meant the gap between what they're group got and what the out group got bigger. Some some of the boys do not choose between an out group and Ingram member at all instead. They're between two members of their group or between two members of the out group. In those cases there was no longer competition to drive behavior. But here too. There's ulcer telling the boys giving money to two members of their group give more than when they're giving money to members it'd be out doc. Group even tells description of the boys decision to punish out crew members even when there was no memory of money to it rings with astonishment there is no scarcity driving decisions that they still chose to punish the outcrop he wrote represented therefore a clear case of gratuitous discrimination the nation in Nineteen seventy-one paper reflecting on these results Tosh Paul and his co authors wrote that it was time to put to rest the idea. The group conflict was primarily motivated by zero-some collisions or resources or power quote discriminatory. Intergroup behavior cannot be fully understood if it is considered solely solely in terms of objective conflict of interests and quote. The boys in his studies often had nothing to gain and sometimes even had something to lose by punishing punishing lows. They believed based on flimsy and false categorisations to be different from them far from their behavior showing pure desire to maximize groups gains they. They often gave their group last to increase difference between them and their out group for money being the prime motivator. It is the winning. That seems more important to them. Rotas spell again. These results were looking boys who knew one another who know prior catchment in the meaningless groups are randomly sorted into who allocating money that they knew day themselves would never get but before you comfort yourself by saying this is just a few experiments with some random teenage boys that no adult would act this way. It's worth looking at once. Fear of human life which is behavior plays out constantly around us. I should say to be honest. 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I obsessively collected baseball cards rattling off the stats favourite players. I've never been able to develop allegiance. I grew up near near Los Angeles after the Rams have gone to Saint Louis. The team has since returned which I would say further proves the point. I'm making hair so I knew these organizations. He's had no loyalty to me. I liked following drafts and trades and I saw the players went where the money was rather than staying where they're fans were look. I'm weird in broken in clearly. Sports are ubiquitous and they bigwigs because they respond to human beings deep desire to support us from them to see our group triumph over outsiders in combat and competition with our team wins has no effect on our incomes. Futures are children's education or whether job will move to China but every week millions ends perhaps even billions attach their happiness to the outcome of a game that they are not playing material spoils they will not enjoy. They're not just watching for sportsmanship or prowess house there watching as Tasha said because it is a winning that is important. The winning is so important that cities burn and people die in its aftermath aftermath in Twenty fifteen five days Carl Bialik collected information on forty nine recent North American sports rights quote. The database tells hells of violent history of the aftermath of many sporting events. Thousands of people arrested hundreds injured. More than a dozen killed. The riots occurred in more than a dozen dozen. US states and three Canadian provinces in reaction to sporting events in all four major North American pro sports plus called football basketball and hockey and quote again. This is all contests which sticks are purely psychological and emotional and the ecstasy of victory and sometimes the pain of loss so overwhelms our faculties we destroy the very talented from the basis of our affection for the teams were supporting. This is how powerfully we attached hatched groups. This is how little takes group identity to take over all or other faculties for identity -Tarian passions to push aside the tinny voice of our reasoning mind due thousand six will blyth published a book with the title. I have never forgotten. It was called hate like this is to be happy forever. How can you walk by book? Those words sauce across the cover book that `bout when I picked it up. I was surprised to see that. It was an expiration of the ovary are- between the Duke and University of North Carolina basketball teams and the way that robbery had given shape and meaning to the author's life moments when Little Alstead Beith writes. It's the living and dying through one's allegiance to either duke or Carolina is no less real for being enacted through play and fandom. I love that line. The living and dying through one's allegiance if it sounds like hyperbole consider the possibility that the emotional experience describes it's launches real but rational human beings evolved to exist in groups to be part of a group and to see that group thrived meant survival to be exiled from a group or to see a good crushed by its enemies that could mean death. Is it really so strange that we evolved to fill the life and death stakes group belonging and status. The merchant signs of loneliness offers a powerful inside here then we tend to dismiss. The Agony of social isolation are stigmas merely psychological but but it isn't to feel abandoned by community to fear the opprobrium of others triggers a physical assault on the body. You may have heard statistics. His six loneliness is worse for you than obesity or smoking. Medical professionals like the former surgeon general of the United States Vivek Murthy say that social isolation Russian acts like a disease or an injury crossing from psychological state to physical malady. The mechanism is evolutionary. Our brains no. We need groups to survive soon. We feel cast out our group. It triggers a massive stress response throughout the body. Vic Murphy writes from a biological perspective we evolved solved to be social creatures long ago. Our ability to build relationships of trust and cooperation helped increase our chances of having a stable food supply and more consistent protection from predators over thousands of years the value social connections become baked nervous system. Such the absence of such a protective force creates a stress stress state in the body loneliness causes stress and long term or chronic stress. It leads to more frequent elevations of a key stress Hormone Cortisol. It is also linked to higher levels of information in the body this intern damages blood vessels and other tissues. Increasing the risk of heart. Disease Diabetes Join Joint Disease Depression. Obesity and premature death chronic stress can also hijack your brain's prefrontal cortex which governs decision making planning emotional regulation analysis analysis and abstract thinking. There is a Finding in his research to almost unbearably poignant as Johann Hari described his his book loss connections anywhere in the world or people describing lonely they will also throughout their sleep experience. More something called micro awakenings. These are small moments. You won't recall when you wake up but in which you rise a little from your slumber all other social animals to the same thing when they're isolated to the best theory is that you don't feel safe going to sleep when you're lonely because early humans literally weren't safe if they were sleeping apart from the tribe that is how deep the experience of social anxiety runs literally wakes you up throughout the night because your body knows. He can't rest is deeply when it can't rely on others for protection. Our brains reflect deep evolutionary time while our lives for better and for worse or live right now in this moment we are exquisitely tuned to understand and manage our role in the small necessarily groups defined our world is hunter gatherers. But we've not had long to adjust to the digitize globalized accelerated world. We've built the sensitivities have helped us thrive with the interplay of a few groups of a few hundred people contrivance mad when exposed to the scale knowing and sophisticated manipulations nations of modern capitalism politics. Our brains don't always know the difference between life and death stakes that group fortunes once held in the mild or consequences. They Typically Carrie today in his book. Enlightenment two point Oh restoring sanity tar politics our economy and our lives University of Toronto philosopher. Joseph Heath frame into Smiley he writes when it comes to large-scale cooperation. We humans have clearly exceeded our programming. We've become what biologist call an ultra social social species despite having set social instincts that are essentially tailored for managing life in a small-scale tribal society. It's crucial to recognize however we've have not accomplished by reprogramming ourselves or overcoming our innate design limitations if accomplished in large measure by tricking ourselves into feeling as though we are still living in small-scale travel societies. Even when we're not unfortunately the trick works so well we sometimes forget that we're using it and so imagine that we could create large large scale. Systems would cooperation based on nothing more than our rational insight into the need for such institutions. This invariably leads to disappointment. And end quote. I'd amend that a little it doesn't invariably lead to disappointment some does lead to large-scale wonderful advances in human cooperation abrasion like the nation state or religions but sometimes it leads to hatred violence even genocide and sometimes it just leads to everyone gathering on Sunday you to watch two groups of people address in particular colors collide with each other on a lush green field. I worry writing the section that some read it and believe I'm dismissing the power condescending the experience sports rivalries some say this clearly. My point is the opposite sports. Such a powerful force in human society precisely because they harnessed primal instincts at pulse through our psyche the fact that teams can command such deep violent loyalty royalty based on nothing but being in the same town fans UNICEF professional. Sports teams are transparently. Cynical in their loyalties even as he demands stadium subsidies ladies to locate and tax breaks to remain in. The town's profess to love even is a players. Leave the moment and other team offers a better deal all that show always. We're no different from tosh bells. Boys a group does not have to be based on objectively important criteria for to become an important part of our self identity and for twin inspire loathing of those who stand outside its boundaries. Another objection. This argument might be that. Sports are well sports their competition distilled to its purest purest form they construct a world where for one side to win. The other must lose. It's unfair to compare that with politics. Isn't it politics is a team sport in two thousand fifteen. Patrick are Miller and Pamela. Johnston controver published a paper and huddled red and blue states of mind. The paper looks at how Republicans and Democrats as well as independents who lean towards one party or the other act during elections. What motivates them? What do they feel? What drives them to participate? Quote the behavior of partisans resembles that of sports team members members acting to preserve the status of their teams rather than thoughtful citizens participating in the political process for the broader good. The paper concludes. Yikes the others tested behavior in two stages in the first the partisan action through the prism of feelings of anger toward and rivalry with the other party thirty using mountains of survey data and pre and post election polling the same groups it tested the effect issue Positions Ideology Age Education Political Knowledge Church. Attendance gender partisan hit envied race and more had on a person's likelihood of feeling fury and competition in the midst of an election. They found the wall. High minded factors policy ideas in ideology played some role in how partisans felt the overwhelming driver was a strength of partisan identity quote elections. Accentuate the team mentality of Party. identifiers pushing them repeatedly to make us them. Comparisons between Democrats and Republicans. The draw attention. I lost status if the election is not one this results in both rivalry and anger and quote next question. Schindler conifer considered is whether those feelings lead actions so they ran a similar tasks looking at how the same host of political forces identities and ideas drove Republican the Democrats likelihood of helping on a campaign actually turning out to vote here again. Partisan identity dominated when compared to abstractions like issue Positions Ideology Ritchie. But then Miller conner did something interesting. This people reflect on how much anger rivalry and incivility. They felt toward the other side. Once he added those answers into their data the effective every other political factor plummeted how we feel matters much more than what we think and in elections feelings feelings matter most draft in our feelings about the other side that's negative partisanship rearing. Its head again the big picture that emerges from this paper said the people actually she driving elections. The people knocking on doors working for campaigns and turning out to vote are driven more by group rivalry than by tax policy Miller and convert crisp on this point quote when partisans under meetings yard signs write checks and spend endless hours volunteering. What is foremost in their minds that they are furious serious with the opposing party and one intensely to avoid losing to it? Not a specific issue agenda. They are fired up team members on a mission to defeat the other team and end quote Twenty Sixteen Pew Survey backed up these findings and their centrality to politics among Republicans moving from a mostly unfavorable view of the Democratic Party to a very unfavorable view. Increase the likelihood of regular voting by twelve points by conscious developing deeper affection for the Republican Party increased voting among Republicans. Only six points. Democrats didn't show the same effect increases in negative and positive partisanship joe voting voting at similar rates. But the data turn even starker when pugh moved up the ladder of political engagement when Republicans were asked. They contributed money any to a candidate or group in the past few years of very unfavorable view of Democrats raise the likelihood by eleven points while very favourable view of Republicans increased by only three among Democrats very unfavorable view of Republicans increased by eight points or very favourable view of their own party. Did increase it at all. All this points towards an important principle the most engaged experience politics differently than everyone else in the previous chapter. I mentioned the book open for closed used which found that the least engage. Voters tend to look at politics through the lens of material self interest. But this policy do for me while the most gauge look at politics politics through the Lens of identity. What is support for this policy position? Say about me. This helps illuminate long running debate particularly on the left about whether working class voters who pull the lever for Republicans are betraying the self interest in voting for a party that will cut taxes on the rich break the unions and protect the poor with Johnston Johnston Levin at Federico Fine is people become more involved and invested in politics the self interest. They're looking to satisfy changes. It's it's a mistake to imagine. Our bank accounts the only reasonable drivers political action as we become more political. Become more interested in politics as a means of self expression and group by density quote. It is not that citizens are unable to recognize her interests. Rather is it. Material concerns are often irrelevant to the individual's goals when forming policy opinion and quote politicians of course are not equally responsive. Tell their constituents. They're most concerned about the most engaged people who will vote for them volunteer for them. Donate to them and the way to make more of that kind of voter isn't just to focus on how great you are. Its focus on how bad the other side is then brings a group together like a common enemy. Remove the fury and fear of real opponent and watching enthusiasm drained from your supporters in two thousand seventeen Texas congressman. BEDDOE rourke launched a long shot Senate bid against Ted Cruz. One of the democratic. Party's most hated politicians. A works candidacy was a sensation. Raise the most money ever recorded for Senate race. He packed rafters went viral on election. Day beyond say posted a photo on on instagram wearing a hat. A rourke lost by three points but the ground swell of support convinced him to run for President Campaign the Democratic Twenty Twenty primary with great fanfare Dan Fair and big fundraising numbers but he just plummeted in the polls strategic mistakes explain some of his struggles but our work was the same candidate and the same a man in two thousand nineteen is in two thousand eighteen. The catalytic ingredient in his senate campaign was liberal loathing of cruise the thrill that he might be defeated when orcas running against other Democrats personal charisma fell to recapture the magic of his Senate race. This is not to take away from the political power of inspiration the most effective politician's thrilled their supporters. But they do so in the context of the threat their opponents pose and his politicians become less. Well no incapable incapable on the stump. They rely more and more heavily on activating fear of the other side. This lesson is known by politicians rolled over. You don't I just need support you need anger. That's why fundraising emails. Often border. On the apocalyptic the recent subject heinsohn emails. I received from the Republican. The National Committee in Support Trump's reelection campaign bake the point and these are all in all caps. One says fake news exclamation in point another Americans must fight back and my personal favorite dishes. FW like forward and then the word stolen question Russian mark. It's why trump is always fighting with the media. It's why presidential candidates find it hard to keep their supporters engaged. When they win the White House the terror of losing using the election is more viscerally motivating than the compromises of daily governance? What all the suggests is at one of the most important questions in American politics fixes? How strong or group identities are how much we feel? We belong to one team and how much we fear losing to the other team forfeits. Not just one team we belong to. But if it's many teams and what of all those teams begin working together the identities politic in two thousand four. Brock Obama gave that rarest of things a speech that literally changed the course of American history. If John Kerry hadn't hadn't tapped Obama to keynote the Democratic National Convention Obama wouldn't become a national political superstar Wellstone Illinois State senator. If he hadn't become a national political superstar he would have run for president in his first term as senator. And if you haven't run for president you get the point. That speech wasn't as a neat bit of rhetoric. It was an argument argument about the structure of polarization. Even as we speak there are those who are preparing to divide us. He said the spin master's negative ad peddlers lers whom brace a politics of anything goes notice. Rhetorical Move Obama makes we are not divided. We can only be divided. The polarized there there were victims. Are disagreements their product. He goes on to deny the dark arts to argue that the country is not what they make us think it is. There's not a liberal America and a conservative America. There's the United States of America smelled Black America and White America and Latino American Asian America. There's the the United States of America he said and as for the pundits who like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue states. That'd be me I fear. Obama had news for them. He said we worship an awesome God in the Blue States and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states every politician. I've covered very politician. I've met Obama's most thoughtful and reflective the best seeing American politics with historical perspective and analytical analytical altitude. His position on this was considered he'd interest disliked polarization. He doubted why would any pure skinny. Can you black kid with middle name. Hussein shot from state Senate to President of the United States in four years flat wouldn't you. His life story was itself or rebuttal. Polarizations course logic. This was the secret to his political success. He could speak to the best in America because he believed the best of America. He was like the friend friend. Who looked at you and so the version of yourself you wanted to be? But the paradox of Obama's political career is that he himself was a polarizing figure in two thousand fifteen eighteen. I interviewed him at the White House. By that point. He was the most polarizing president in the history of polling breaking the record George W Bush had set before him to bill. Clinton had said before. Forbush case you're wondering the crown now belongs to Donald Trump. I believe Obama had sincerely tried to pursue a politics thought would foster compromise release understanding but he had failed so I asked him what advice would he give his successor about camping. Down on polarization. It's a question that rings dark irony today. Given the way trump pursues poor station as an explicit political strategy. Even so I struggled struggled with Obama's answer in the year since Obama said to me quote there couple things that in my mind at least contribute our politics being more polarized than people. Actually they are and I think most people census in their daily lives. Everybody's got a family member or a really good friend from high school who's on the complete opposite side of the political spectrum and yet we still love them right. Everybody goes to a soccer game or watching their kids coaching. And they see parents who they think are wonderful people and then if they made a comment about politics suddenly they'd go. I can't believe you think that Obama's point here is that our political identities or not are only identities and our other identities literally coach. PTA Hey member parent. They're lawless polarized in our political identities. Take me I'm American. JEWISH CAJUN MALE Californian. My father for is Brazilian immigrant. So I care deeply about immigration feel familiar attachment to Brazil and I find it relaxing to listen to English. Spoken Portuguese accent. I'm a husband. A father dog owner can activate any of those entities by criticizing my wife and my son or praising cats I lived in Washington. DC for fifteen years. I tend to get defensive when others criticize it. I`Ma journalist WHO's critical of my profession but protective of it when it's challenged I'm a Vegan and because I think animal sufferings brings important and horribly ignored I try to be at least somewhat strident about it. Then they're the parts my personality. It seem like preferences but can act like identities when challenged alleged. I grew up using apple computers. I remember spending endless time arguing their superiority to PC's in ways that very much outstripped the importance of the question I dislike Manhattan and decide comes up particularly strongly when people praise Manhattan disappeared places. I've lived in love. Which people in Manhattan do all the damn time? I'm an anxious person that's become overtime part of how I understand myself. Not just something I feel I mention these not because her as powerful as say Fatherhood Hood is for me but because the line between what is and isn't and identity is fuzzier than we often think. If you don't believe me Spencer. Tom Watching television commercials and ask herself whether their advertising products or identities all of these are identities that can be called forth on a moment's notice some of them are strong at had entities that I can imagine driving Mito violence sufficiently threatened some member week. Identities can imagine being persuaded to abandon some scituate me and a certain political camp others cross awesome boundaries. But they're all in me. Some will tena Asli and the interacting powerful unpredictable ways. Obama argue that polarized media gerrymandering and the flood of political money tended to balkanize us into our political identities. He said so. My advice to future president is increasingly. We try to bypass the traditional venues create divisions and try to find new venues within this new media. That are quirkier less predictable Obama's offering offering the right explanation for polarization but from the wrong angle. He's right it's all about which identities get activated and he's right that our political identities or more polarized and our other identities identities but he's too optimistic and believing that are non-political identities could become our political identities could supplant them. There's some heart sure reflection of are essential selves and thus strong enough to overwhelm or partisan divisions in practice our political identities or polarizing are other identities to and her book uncivil agreement. Liana Mason the sums up the state of American politics and props American life in a single searing paragraph. The American political parties are going socially polarized religion and race as well as class geography and culture are dividing the parties in such a way that the effect of Party identity is magnified ride. The competition is no longer between only Democrats and Republicans. A single vote can now indicate a person's partisan preference as well as his or her religion race ethnicity Initi- gender neighborhood and favor grocery store. This is no longer a single social identity. Partisanship can be thought of as a mega identity with all the psychological go and behavioral magnification. That implies up until now I've largely talked about the polarization of American politics in terms of objective demographic and ideological logical dimensions. The key point Mason is making though. Is it those traits. Also operators identities and in coming together. They fuse into a single sense of self living in a city being a liberal shopping trader Joe's dabbling in Zen Meditation. They may not have much to do with one another in terms of public policy but the reinforce a singular angler mega identity and that identity is political or at least easily politicized in two thousand and four the club for growth a conservative interest group that advocates for lower taxes taxes and be regulation. WE'RE GONNA famous ad against then presidential candidate Howard Dean in the AD. There's this older white couple and their stopped outside. The shop with patriotic trotted. Bunting you can tell. This is not like a big city area and they're asked about Dean's plan to raise taxes. What do I think the man replies? Well I think Howard Dean should take his tax hiking government expanding lot pay drinking sushi eating Volvo drive in New York Times reading and his wife cuts in body piercing. Hollywood loving left-wing Freak. Show back to Vermont where it belongs that my friends. That is pure uncut mega identity politics. You could see in that ref the way identity transcends mere partisanship. You may be a democratic socialist live in Berkeley California who thinks Democrats are spineless. corporatists separatist's but you know that ad is an attack on you anyway and what's being looking for weaponization of seemingly non political identity markers you find it everywhere. I began this book trying to persuade you that something. In American politics has changed the though we still use a term Democrat and Republican liberal and Conservative are cleavages are different and deeper. This is what has changed. Our political identities have become political mega identities and the merging of the identities means when you activate activate one you often activate all and each time. They're activated they strengthen. The Obama easy example of Americans together at a soccer game the shifted bit. What about Americans together at a football game? One of those nice deep polarized identities or at least it was but then some of the football players players led by 49ers quarterback. Colin Kaepernick began kneeling during the national anthem to protest police. Violence trump took up the case. tweeting that they should be fired. Democrats defending them copper. Nick was cut. Despite stoute's it should have gotten a job on another team known touch them he later sued the NFL in response G. Q.. Cabernet it citizen of the year. There's nothing intrinsically liberal about football but after capper knicks protest became the national flashpoint the NFL polarized before the controversy about sixty percent of both Clinton and trump voters view the NFL favorably amid the controversy versus the NFL's favorability Clinton was unchanged but among trump voters in plummeted to thirty percent and disapproval spiked. To over sixty percent. Nike then made Kapernick. It's new spokesman even though he was no longer playing football professionally in response. Trump supporters were nike gear and trump tweeted just like the NFL whose ratings way down. Nike's getting absolutely killed with anger and boycotts football fan. I'm used to be an identity that cut across politics politics. Democrats like the sport. Republicans like the sport. Even I sports hated that I am played nose tackle in high school. I was heavier than but when the NFL came into contact politics he became part of politics. Brothers shared love football pulling our political identities toward compromise or political identities. Any of these polarized our love of football intense supporters are catnip per brands Nike jumped into the fray purposefully polarizing one of the biggest clothing brands in the world and football fan and became at least for awhile. One more magnet in the political identity stack attracting those on the left and repelling those on the right when we share identities with each other. They can act as a bridge. Your Nineties Kid. I'm Anees Kid. Let's talk about in the nineties. The best decade from music which they were but when our identity separate us from each other they can be a moat widening. The distance between us in two thousand and two. Cy called US Maryland. Brewer and Sony Raucous arcus. Should that people with a lot of cross cutting identities tended to be more tolerant outsiders and people with highly aligned identities the inside here make sense since the more area Denise Converge On a single point the moyer than these could be threatened. SEMEL TENA ASLI and that makes conflict much more threatening. Imagine two Democrats one of them. Rick is white straight and conservative. Keep pens in Evangelical Church lives in a rural area belongs to a union. The either Sarah is black gay and liberal. She skeptical. Religion lives in Los Angeles identifies as a feminist rick looking at the candidacy of George W Bush. Who'd could find? Some of his identity is under threat Bush's Republican and hostile to unions but other identities modulate his panic like him Bush's an evangelical Christian white man a conservative respectful of rural culture. John Kerry meanwhile as a pro-union Democrat but he's also a liberal urbanites who showed little little understanding of Rural America or the Evangelical Church. This is the kind of Democrat. Rick is who would at least considered voting for Bush. Sarah Sara contrast will look at Bush and the all right entities under threat simultaneously. He's a Republican and Evangelical White Man Conservative. He says little respect for urban life for atheists and he backed a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. This is the Democrat who had fear Bush who had his genuine danger to her life. Who Do almost anything into seem? Defeated his Democrat who had volunteer for John Kerry's campaign who had donate money. WHO had seek out harshly anti-bush punditry and believe it easily thus though it seems that a lot of different divisions would tear apart society it turns creating one bigger deeper? Division make division is more dangerous Mason. Jason quotes a founder of American sociology. Edward Ellsworth Ross writing in the principles of sociology. On this point the chief oppositions which current society or between gene individuals sexes ages races nationalities sections classes political parties and religious sects. Several such may be in full swing at the same time but the more numerous they are the less menacing. is anyone every species of conflict interferes with every other species in society at the same time save only when their lines of cleavage coincide in which case they reinforce one another a society therefore which is riven by dozen oppositions long lines running in every direction may actually be in less danger being torn with violence or falling to pieces than one split along just one line and quote. This is interesting theory. A twenty twelve study by Joshua Gubler and Joel how what cell. Way Survey data from more than one hundred countries and found that civil war is quote out an average of nearly twelve times as probable in societies. Where ethnishity is cross? Cut By socioeconomic class geographic region and religion and quote. One way to re. This data is just another way of describing pure policy disagreement as our identities diverge our worldview and agendas diverge so all this just a proportional response to keeping differences in self interest. And there's certainly some of that but his Tasha found long ago and sports fans show every weekend weekend much of are still diese pure expression of how instinctively we treat outcrops doesn't need policy differences to catalyze it basin recent tested. This directly is an American national election. Study survey data shook a made people likely to rate the other party higher or lower on feelings thermometer who went from one to one hundred where one was a cold. You could feel one hundred the warmest cleverly she cut the data to see self identified Republicans. Whose policy should made them Democrats? They gave the Republican Party a rating between sixty and seventy and Democrat party rating between thirty and fifty as Democrats conservative policy positions. They raided the Democratic Party between sixty and eighty give the Republican Party between thirty and fifty. Interestingly it turns out that there's only a week relationship between and how much a person identifies as a conservative or liberal conservative or liberal. Their views actually are to be exact. In both cases it's about a point to five correlation and one recent policy is not the driver of political disagreement is most people. Don't have very strong views about policy. It's the rare hobbyists who thinks often about cybersecurity thirty and who should lead the Federal Reserve but all of us are experts on our own identities over and again mason finds. That identity is far more powerful than issue she positions and driving polarization also equal if you compare people the most moderate policy positions with those with most cross cutting identities. The policy moderates will be more than twice as unfriendly to the other party as those whose crossed identities or restraining the partisanship that is to say feel closer to the other side and identity does mortar mccomb dislike than being closer to the other side on Policy Mason writes. This is the American identity crisis. NOT THAT WE'VE partisan partisan identity who've always had those the crisis emerges when partisan identities fall into alignment with other social identities stoking are intolerant of each other to levels that are unsupported by our degrees of political disagreement. The stakes of politics of course are very real fights over tax dollars whether go to war whether to recognize same sex marriages whether to pass universal healthcare bill but those are stakes that we have to do a lot of thinking learning to connect to their sticks. It exists in the more recently evolved parts of our brains takes we have to work to feel viscerally and emotionally. The sticks. Politics we have evolved sense is whether our group is winning or losing whether the group is gaining the power to threaten us or whether allies are massing with strength to ensure safety and prosperity as her many identities merge into single single political mega identities those visceral emotional stakes are rising and with them our willingness to do anything to make sure our side wins. I'm Songwriter Charlie. 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Thanks political identity is fair game for hatred. Szanto younger is director Stanford University's Political Communications Laboratory and he noticed something. Odd In one thousand. Nine hundred sixty Americans were asked whether they would be pleased displeased. UNMOVED IF senator daughter married a member of the other our political party respondents reacted with shock only five percent of Republicans and four percent of Democrats. said there'd be upset by the Cross party Union. Unlisted things you might care about in a child's partner. They kind smart successful supportive which political party they would for stint rate thus four two thousand and eight the point from Yougov House Republicans and Democrats. The same question got very different results. This time twenty. Seven percent of Republicans and twenty percent Senate. Democrats that there'd be upset if a son or daughter married a member of the opposite party in twenty ten. You've got to ask the question again. This time. Forty nine percent of Republicans and thirty thirty three percent of Democrats profess concern at inter-party marriage. The numbers suggested to younger. The today's political differences were somehow different than yesterday's the nature of American political partisanship. He worried it was mutating into something more fundamental less bridgeable what had been in the past few is right eight then party affiliation wasn't simply expression of our disagreements who's also becoming the cause of them it Democrats thought of other Democrats their group and if Republicans as a hostile style out group and vice versa in the consequences could stretch far beyond politics and into things like say marriage and the data was everywhere. Pulse looking at the difference between how Republicans Democrats and how Democrats Republicans now should the partisans were less accepting each other than white people were of black people or black people borough of white people. But there's no way partisanship an identity. We choose sometimes change could possibly become a cleavage in American life as deep as race right it seems crazy so younger decided to test it. The experiment was simple. Working with Dartmouth College political scientists. Sean Westwood would anger asked about a thousand people to decide between the resumes of to high school. Seniors were competing for a scholarship. The resumes could differ in three ways. First Senior could have either a three point five or four point. Oh GPA second senior could have been the president of the Young Democrats or young Republicans club and third. The senior could have a stereotypically African American. The name have been president of the African American Student Association or could have a stereotypically -cation name. The point of the project was to see whether political hostility affected non-political non-political task and to compare the effect with race. I read a lot of studies of course researching this book but this one's still surprises me when the resume included political identity. Cue but eighty percent of Democrats and Republicans awarded the scholarship to their Co.. Partisan this held true whether not the go partisan had the higher GPA. The Republicans student was more qualified. Democrats chose him only thirty percent of the time when the Democrat was more Qualified Republicans chose him only fifteen percent of the time. That's that's a profound finding when awarding a college scholarship. A tacit should be completely nonpolitical Republican. Democrats cared more about the political party of the student. Didn't and students. GPA as he anger and Westwood Road Partisanship simply trumped academic excellence remarkably in the study partisanship even trump race. When the candidates are equally qualified but seventy eight percent of African? Americans chose a candidate of the same race as did forty two percent of white Americans when the candidate of the other race had higher. GPA forty five percent of African Americans chose him as did seventy one percent of white Americans younger. A younger fury was at. Partisan animosity is one of the few forms of discrimination. The Contemporary American society not only permits but actively encourages. He told me a political identity is fair game for hatred. Racial identity is not gender. Identity is not you cannot express negative sentiments about social groups in this day and age but political identities are not protected by these constraints or Republican. Someone who chooses to be Republicans so I can say whatever I want about them and quote you could see an example when you look at the media. Westwood observes there no major cable channels devoted to making people of other races. Look bad although I'd say Tucker Carlson the Laura Ingraham get pretty close sometimes but they're cable channels that are devoted to making members of the other party look bad he says. The media has become tribal leaders. Yes the tongue. The tribe had identified behave and were following along and quote now. Westwood is quick to note that the comparison to racism doesn't mean partisanship chip is somehow worse than racism more pervasive or more damaging. It's easier to see. And thus discriminate against people based on their skin color than the partisanship for instance and political beliefs or choice with moral implications for races nod. Judging someone on whether they support gay marriage universal health care gun. Laws is very different than judging on the color of their skin. Still younger and Westwood's research is a fundamental challenge to the way we like to believe. American politics works a world. Were won't give an out party high schooler with better cheap e a non-political scholarship is not a world in which we're going to listen to politicians on the other side of emotional controversial issues even if they're making good arguments that are backed by the facts. Younger and Westwood's research is confirmation of the way Tasha thought people worked here again. We've people people in a room sorted by identities with no relationship to the task at hand and using what power they have to reward the in group and punish the out group. Younger says is quote. The old theory was political parties came into existence to represent deep social cleavages Banal party politics taken on a life of its own. Now it is the cleavage and quote. A life of its own now is the cleavage. Reminds me miss something else. Taj way back in nineteen seventy social scientists credited distinction between rational and irrational forms of group conflict as Nashville all described it. The former is a means to an end the conflict and the attitudes go with it reflected genuine competition between groups with divergent interests. The ladder ladder is an end in itself. It serves to release a cumulated emotional tensions of various kinds potential onto say the distinction between the two kinds of Austin was as clearly in his profession thought because the reinforce each other in a relentless spiral this is I think the best way to understand the relationship between policy Halsey differences and identity conflict there mutually reinforcing not opposed separate take immigration Hispanics and become more powerful full and central part of the Democratic Coalition. Probably why Obama made the decision to protect law-abiding dreamers from deportation that decision which angered many. Republicans is part part of what open space for trump to run and search primary campaign heavy on anti-immigrant pro rhetoric in office trump is pushed a raft of anti-immigrant policies including canceling Obama's productions for dreamers. Who just both offended Democrats on a moral level and pushed Hispanics yet more into the democratic call making them more powerful? The Democratic Party as a result Democrats have increasingly united behind both pro immigrant policies and pro-immigrant and values to the extent that most of the twenty twenty presidential candidates endorse decriminalizing unauthorized border-crossing giving undocumented immigrants ax to public health insurance. Both these unthinkable policies the Democratic Party even a few years early behind the endorsement of these ideas is the Democrats changing identity as a party that believes in diversity and welcomes immigrants. Both documented and undocumented did as woven into the American narrative in two thousand nineteen. I interviewed Julio Castro the former Secretary of housing urban development who is running for president. He told me quote I see undocumented immigrants as being part of the American straight for generations including this generation. I see them as integral to building a strong future for the country. I always talk about the fact that in many ways we need undocumented immigrants whether we want to admit it or not and quote well might've started as a limited question of immigration policy has become central to the conflict between the two parties on an identity level. Too It's not just about what the coalition wants wants to do. It's about who they are what they believe. And who counts is there we but identity doesn't shape how we treat each other it shapes chiefs how we understand the world. That is the excerpt. Thank you for listening. I thank you very much for being with me tuning in on This whole project project book did not spring out of Arab spring out of the conversations here and the work. We've been doing here and I've got in so many great emails and pointers to to knowledge. I didn't have before books. Exciting read papers. I didn't know about In many ways this book was Co created with his audience. So I'm grateful to all of you can pre-order order depending on when you're listening why we're polarized arised An audiobook at albacom. Where you get your audio books in book form wherever get your books by mail is always kind show at Fox dot com thank you to Simon and Schuster for letting us put this here? Thank you to Geld producing BS. RECON shows vox media podcast production.

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Savage Love Episode 742

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Savage Love Episode 742

"You're listening to the micro version of the savage love cast. Www dot savage love casts dot com. It's a big news story. And i just got to talk about it. Hackers have seized control of internet connected male chastity devices and these hackers are demanding ransoms from the men whose cox they've locked up. These men been getting messages. That read your cock is mine now along with a demand for payment in bitcoin and this according to report in vice is gonna prompt some men to think twice about putting their dixon to these devices and sales. Ya know vice. Knowing what i know about guys who like chastity devices your cock is mine now is exactly what they want to hear if anything. This news is going to lead to a spike in sales if the company that makes these devices cellmate. If they make model that comes with internal spikes they're gonna sell out of those. I there is of course of your news. Looks like we are impeaching the motherfucker again. He'll everyone who bought i team emerged from us. Everyone out there who helped us raise hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight donald trump. I hope you've held on your t shirts and hoodies and mugs because it is on. Some part of me can't believe it has been almost a week since mega fascists on trump's orders stormed the us capital which was largely unprotected also on trump's orders and yet donald trump after committing treason is somehow still president of the united states. Some folks on twitter and other places are debating whether what we all just witnessed and really went through was a coup or it was merely an insurrection. Whatever it was whatever else it was. It was also attempted mass murderer. Trump's stormtroopers beat a cop out while waving blue lives matter flags if they had gotten their hands on nancy pelosi or or ilan omar. Chuck schumer or mitt. Romney or mike pence if the guys with zip ties had managed to break into the house or senate chambers ten minute sooner we would have watched livestream political assassinations last week. And i'm sorry but what. The fuck is wrong with mike pence. I mean besides all the obvious things that we already knew. Were wrong with mike pence. What the fuck is wrong with. Mike pence donald trump tried to get him killed. The president tried to get the vice president killed because of vice president wouldn't help trump. The president overturned the results of the free and fair election. That trump lost and so the president sent crowds into the us. capitol chanting. Hang mike pence after erecting a working gallows with a noose hanging from it on the capitol. Grounds and mike pence won't remove trump from power by invoking the twenty fifth amendment. And i want to see what the wrong with republican party. But i think we know what is wrong with republican party. These are racist treasonous motherfuckers and it's got to have all that said it feels weird. It feels like denial to try to look ahead even a few weeks or a few months. They had to say dem's needed to deliver republicans. Act like they have a mandate when they don't republicans act like have mandate when their guy loses the popular vote by millions but still manages the win the white house. thanks to the electoral college. George w bush. Donald j trump dem's actually have a mandate here and need to act like it dams won the white house by millions. Dem's don't have large majorities in the house or senate but house and senate dem's represent tens of millions more americans and got millions more votes than the republican counterparts dumbs can't be cowed particularly now by accusations. Of what what is it that. The republicans always say about the democrats that they're radicals. That's what kelly law flir said about raphael warnock in georgia election that raphael warnock one that he was a dangerous radical. Well now we've seen the faces of dangerous radicals and they weren't democrats. They were republicans democrats can't be cowed by the dangerous radical accusation. It is not gonna stick so dem's go ahead at a public option to obamacare that is simple and straightforward and offers comprehensive coverage makdissi estate oppor statehood to puerto rico election reform. Hell bringing an amendment to the floor of the house to end the electoral college. Move on these things while you have these majorities which may not last forever. And while you have this mandate undoing something is harder than doing it as we seen with obamacare which republicans said when they took control they would end. But they weren't able to dc statehood which the riots and dc made the need for so apparent because the mayor of dc couldn't call up. The national guard. Should wait on the president who wouldn't call up the national guard because the rioters were doing exactly what he wanted them to do. The need for dc statehood clear now than it's ever been gesture now that it has ever been and republicans will accuse democrats of being radicals if they make dc a state. But you know what they're not gonna be able to undo statehood. When was the last time a state was undone. And if they try it and we promise to undo dakota one of them we'll just pick one will merge those states we will undo a republican state if they attempt to undo dc as a state once we have made his state which the democrats do next week and should because they have a mandate. So you want that public option. You want to be a state you want the green new deal. Let him know. Make some noise talk to the democrats. You know why the gays got in the first. Two years of brock obama's administration don't ask don't tell repealed when so little else moved because we screamed and yelled because we made noise. Because we spoke to barack obama we spoke to the obama administration firmly clearly and emphatically that we wanted. This promise kept biden and the house and senate democrats. They made us promises that we want kept so we have to demand dams in washington that they deliver well. We can't do after the violence. We saw in d.c last week after i hate to say it the violence we are likely to see in the weeks ahead cower in a corner dem's can't cower in the corner afraid to do anything last what less we provoke these people who are already provoked if we don't act because we're afraid of provoking them that just creates an incentive for republicans to continue to provoke their base to acts of violence so throw it in their faces statehood for fucking c. The public option the voting rights act demilitarizing our police forces deliver on the whole damn agenda. Don't let them take this country hostage the way they have in the past where they are threatening to do. Now that's my message to elected dumps. And i know one or to listen to the show. Actually my message to my listeners. Though if that we have to continue to say that we have to demand it. I would hope after what dem's had went through in the last week but that would put steel in their spines just in case. Let's make sure that we continue to put steel in their response. Let's make sure that we demand that they act like they have the mandate the motherfucker. They have and that they deliver on what was promised. Is january twelfth eight more days. Eight more days of donald trump is probably united states. Most likely to get through the for. Joe biden is sworn in on january twentieth. A lot can happen in eight days. We expect a lot to happen after january twentieth. 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When do a lot of christmas shopping going to be out of the house all day and as she was gone my husband started watching suborn and it was very fraternity based. Let's say and i worked in. I said whoa coup porn bro. And he said yeah pro and for the next three hours we had this intense verbal bro. Beat session something had come over the both of us where we were disgusting. Little pervert pigs saying every filthy word could imagine keep in mind. My mother is mormon. We do not swear on the house when she's there out of respect kind of habit as well. I felt amazing to talk about penis and balls in man's smell and dick and just jerking off and blowing each other for three intense hours. We took on these crazy bro. Personas and went wild on other. It was truly or the most amazing experiences of my life. If you need to spice it up her. Get a new persona bro. Pull dick out. See what happens. Pull your dick out. see what happens. Great advice if you're in an established relationship not such great advice if you're on a first date or a work zoom. Call the moral of the story. I think here's for couples to seize opportunities for row. play or anything else. Thank you for calling in and sharing your success story bro. Got a success story of your own call in and share and we might start next week show with yours. Hey dan i am a twenty eight year old. Hetero woman living in austin texas and i had a question about. Somebody's reaction to dating app. So i met this guy on a dating app. I really liked him. We decided that we would exchange numbers and we would talk on the phone and face time and all those things while we're still in the middle of a pandemic we've been talking for a few weeks and it's been really nice. I really like him. I found him on another dating app. That was different than the one that i had originally matched with them. On and yesterday. I decided to send him. A lake is a funny cheeky. Like i see you whatever. And he lost his shit basically said that i was a liar about my feelings. Because i'm still on dating apps and anything that i said was bullshit because i still was on dating and my response was that we never talked about being exclusive. We haven't even met yet into ask me to not be on dating apps and not look for companionship or some sort of entertainment. All i live alone during a pandemic is kind of ridiculous. Then i really like this guy but was his reaction toxic. Do i just cut him off with my response. Okay i you owe him an apology. Frankly i think you really fucked up. What could have been no. Oh my god. This guy revealed himself to be in that moment and asshole. You thought you liked him as you're getting to know him and what you've discovered is he isn't unlikable toxic piece of shit the mask slipped. You saw the jerk behind the mask. No everybody puts a mask on. I mean whether you're meeting on dating apps with your meeting in public and bar sue franz you put on your best face put on a little bit of a mask and dating and getting to know someone is getting to look behind that mask and sometimes you look behind the mask and what's behind. The mask is very similar. The mask is an accurate idealized representations of the person behind. Sometimes you peek behind the mask. And what you find is a toxic garbage dump of a human being and at that moment you shut it down and you run you run and thank god that this guy. The mask slipped before you met him in person before you got married before you had children. Sometimes it takes that long for the mask to slip and someone to see who. They're really whipped. This guy two weeks in an dating app outs himself as a toxic double standard spewing sexes garbage piece of shit that you should be well rid of. It concerns me not that. There's an asshole on a dating app. There lots of astles dating apps. It concerns me that you're wondering what you might have done wrong here of. You could have handled it better. You said the right thing to him. We haven't even met god. It's been two weeks. we're not exclusive. You could about it if i'm not supposed to be on a dating app. What the fuck are you doing on a dating app. But then you needed to turn on your and walk out the door and slam the door. Everything you said was good by not. Oh if i can just explain myself well enough. Maybe he'll put nice guy mask. Backup and i can sit on my disbelief and think he is the nice guy that he lied to me about being when we first met no no no. He's an asshole block him block him on the app where you met in block them on the opera you stumbled over him and never give him another thought and light a little candle and set it in front of the baby. Jesus that you didn't fuck this guy that you hadn't actually met up with him in person but he doesn't know where you live. He is an asshole. 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I'm changing the terms of our relationship. And i regret that she wasn't happy. She certainly confused. She did start down the path of the bayerischer arguments. That i can't be by if i'm in a hetero relationship but i didn't let her talk me out of my sexuality. She wasn't visibly upset. It didn't change our relationship but we're still having maintenance sex and she doesn't want to talk about it. I haven't cheated on her. I'm still love. I'm still attracted to her. And now this has become an unspoken issue between us. I will steer us into couples counselling before i do anything drastic. It's been really easy to put off that commitment. And then all these challenges of the pandemic and parenting young kids. But i promise. I'll do my best. I can to save the relationship and not default to being a cheating piece of shit. But what's really changed for me. This year was covid. You know we're surviving highly contagious potentially fatal or life altering disease. That's really brought my mortality to mind more than it ever has before which made me think about my bucket list and my bucket list is all sex. Mostly gay sex. If i die without having a gay encounter that'll be a big regret. We live in a house. In an affluent suburbs surrounded by thousands of other you know superficially happy families there have to be other erased by. Dad's like me out there guys who want to fool around with men but aren't really seeking it out. I don't aspire to getting out the game are seen or anything like that. I've looked at grinder but it felt like a varsity level gay hookup app where i was quickly out of my depth. I'm new to this. i don't want much. I just wanna find other dads who were like you know poker buddies except we maybe trade blowjobs or fuck once in a while can us borderline by guys find each other. What tips do you have for burmese. Identify myself as by. And what should i look out for in other men you know. What can i do to help on erase the by dance. So you don't want to be cheating piece of shit but you want me to tell you where you can find the secret store of closeted by dad's in the suburbs who might want to have poker buddies. They occasionally filleted. I don't know where those guys well. Actually i do. Know where those guys are those guys who were there closeted about their bisexuality or just allowing people to assume their heterosexual because they're an opposite sex relationships out there in the suburbs where those guys are. They are on the internet. They're on the gay dating apps like grinder and like scruff. If you're interested in meeting other guys like you you just need to get on the apps and be open about who you are and what you're interested in the kind of relationship where the kind of contact that you'd like to have with another man. Ideally your fantasy guy is similarly situated whether that means you're attracted to that particular type to your particular type or you think of that type of guy would be safer playmate unless the threat g relationship to your family. Let's have a threat to would be perceived as less threatening by your wife after you renegotiate. The terms of your relationship in couples. Counseling are two different things. Maybe that's the kind of guys who turned you on. Maybe you think they're more presentable or less threatening for you are the wife. All that said you know came out to two years ago. She didn't take it well. She's engaged in acts of biracial. Tried to talk you out of identifying as by seems to me that the odds even with a sex positive by positive couple's counselor the odds of your wife signing off on you running around that you're running around you know what i mean of you getting out there and suck a little dick scratching that off. Your bucket list are pretty low. Your wife is likely to be threatened by this before you go into those couples counseling sessions. You really need to ask yourself weather getting to suck some dick weather getting to act on your attractions to men is something that you're willing to end your marriage over because it could at your marriage. This is a couples. Counseling session is in some ways or a series of couples counseling sessions in some ways. It's a showdown. You may go into that couples counseling session with your own ultimatum for you to stay. In this marriage there has to be some space for you to pursue some limited sexual contact with other poker. Playing soccer dads hurled tomatoes. Her counter may be if you wanna do that. We can't stay married. Don't wanna be in an open relationship isn't just about bisexuality. This is about open or closed and when you went into this marriage it was closed. You agree to those terms good on you that you want to honestly aboard way. Renegotiate those terms. But you need to contemplate you reopen negotiations where your position is going to be if the answer from the wife is no. Are you prepared to end. The marriage got some deck. And i'll leave you with this. You know. I think if you're with somebody for fifty years and the only cheated on once or twice. They were pretty good at monogamy up at monogamy. So if you're with your wife for the rest of your life and you get one dick in your mouth. Scratch off the bucket list on a business trip. Once business trips are a thing again. Then you recommit to the wife you fall off the monogamy wagon that one time for that one deck and then you sober the fuck backup and climb back up onto that monogamy wagon. I would allow it. There are risks there to be a caught than you're the cheating piece of shit. She ends the relationship. If you don't get caught well then you just have to live with the guilt but that kind of guilt is something. A lot of people live with a managed to live with successfully. 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Some of my friends are conservative leaning. Actually i'm pretty conservative myself. I'm not brainwashed by bullshit like all my conservative leaning friends. Are you know because of this. I've checked them from my life and my wife has not ejected them from her lunch. Now i don't want to be the heavy handed asshole who cuts her off from her friends even though most of them were my friends. I anyway but this is become a dilemma for me. She wants to keep these trump's supporting brainwashed assholes as friends. And and i just don't want to be around him and don't want to be at my house but i do not dissuade her from visiting them. I do not do anything to cut her off from people. Because i see that as a really big red flag thanks to you what do i do so i find myself really torn and not knowing exactly what to tell you how to advise you on the one hand. You know. you're absolutely right. You can't tell your wife who she should see your canc- or is allowed to see dictate her. Her friends can be in a glad. That's one of things you've taken away from listening to our show that is evidence of controlling behavior and it's often good and healthy for a couple to have some separate social circle some social context. That are their own. They can go out and hang out with without the spouse to talk about when they come home and you know my husband has some friends that are lovely that he has a better rapport with in a tighter connection with than i and he sees them alone. Sometimes that's fine. But they're not fascists. You know there's there's one of the issues. I don't think these people believe fascist. A couple of them. I'm certain there. There are women in their in their forties and early fifties and they just always been republicans. And you know i understand. I understand that. They're drinking the trump kool-aid regurgitating the trump kool-aid right. Yeah and yeah buying into conspiracy theories Yeah and some of that gets wack. I mean some of them. It goes all the way into things like kim trail him. Trails and john roberts murders needs children. That's a new one. The republican appointed. By george w bush to to to head up the supreme court the republican gutted the voting rights act that republican is a deep state liberal plant. Who eats babies. With hillary clinton on jeffrey epstein's island. You know crazy isn't able his term and we try to avoid using it and we've retired the phrase. don't stick your dick and crazy but in some ways you know your wife being friends with people who are crazy and you being that kind of crazy adjacent. I don't think it's merely like we have a disagreement about choice about about abortion. I have a really good friend. I'm really tied with who is anti choice. But she's a reasonable person. I think that's an unreasonable position for her to take some cognitive dissonance there particularly when you look at her other positions on politics and we talk about it. We can argue about it. But i'm not arguing with her. About whether hillary clinton runs a child prostitution murder network out of a pizza parlor in washington. Dc and if that you know. If i liked her and many other ways but she believed that. I don't think i could be her friend. I don't think i would want my husband to hang out with her. I wouldn't trust your low in my kid because it just. It's like the tip of insanity iceberg. That makes me worry about everything working underneath. And yeah you know i. It's bad we're we're not supposed to say you know. Cut people off political reasons. Don't talk to people who disagree about politics but there has to be aligned past which it's not just a disagreement about politics well now in a like like. I've said many times if if you've always been a republican decided to vote for the buffoon once that's one thing But after four years of his insanity and treachery and in humanity to do it again. That's that kind. That kinda puts you on a different plateau. Did you vote for him. Two twenty sixteen. No no good. I mean i you know i. I've actually been a republican. My whole life and the day. I became a republican was when they put it a failed game. Show host turned politician in in this in the ring it's been a staggering five years. Not for five. You know the party of personal responsibility nominating. This guy can never take responsibility for anything. The party of free trade and constitution. Us constitution fetishism supporting this guy who is feeding the constitution into a shredder. But that's you know. I'm sorry that's not anything. New george w bush fed certain chunks of the constitution into the shredder. He was president to it. This is a really tough position for you to be in. you know. you're talking about your wife. Is she getting sucked into these conspiracy theories so she giving friends the benefit of the doubt. Are they pouring this poison in her ear and is it having an effect. No i think what's going on is they. Just don't talk about you know And i i guess that's what they do is they. Just don't talk about it but you know among among the craziness is they think corona viruses and one of them. She is absolutely reckless. I see pictures over going out to bike rides with dozens and dozens of people shaken hands hugging people. No mass another one. I know her husband is exactly like that. So it's not just. Your wife is hanging out with people who hold political views that are offensive and lunatic. It's that your wife is hanging out with people who are taking risks putting your wife at risk and then she's coming home putting you at risk women together. She says that they are. They are very careful in fact she she went over for a visit and the husband that i was talking about who i think is reckless. Actually sent me a photograph of my life and she was a good ten feet from everybody else. Wishy inside no. It was outside and she was spaced of really good distance. Away all right. It's still a risk. It's still risk. I know in in the foreground of that same photograph to other people that know mess and sitting fame table while i think you have a right to advocate your health and safety until your wife go ahead and hang out with them on the computer but if you're gonna live here with me and breathe droplets in my face when we lay next to each other and bed tight. You can't see them physically. The risk is too great. And as much as i trust you. I don't trust them and one photo with her. Ten feet away doesn't mean she was ten feet away the entire time and that i know moment even if they were tempting to to maintain distance where someone crossed behind her or came close enough to her by accident not with militias intent. But you know a group of people moving around the odds that everyone is always the exact same distance from each other. A safe distance from each other plummets. Leave aside the you know. Maybe the health and safety is a good catch. All that's going to scoop up people who have these insane political beliefs right now that you don't want to be associated with the don't want infecting your wife to go with the health and safety thing to say look the vaccines are coming but we are. It is going to be worse for the next few months and it has banned over the last nine months. Yeah you have a right to like draw align and say the next three or four months until everyone is vaccinated or enough people are vaccinated but that'd be widespread immunity. You can't see them in person. You can't do that to me. Imagine how you will feel wife of mine. If i fucking die because it wasn't good enough for you and then you're kicking the like you're you're kicking the conversations about whether you want people in your life or even your orbit who believe the john roberts is a lizard who leads children just by you know making use of sidestepping that issue for now and use the pandemic not as an excuse. I think using the pandemic as an excuse. I think it's perfectly rational. It may be the graver danger. It actually is the graver danger and the more immediate danger. You then your wife. Visiting you know having some friends who are conspiracy theorists maybe lovely in lots of other ways. I'm i'm an area where our icees full my my next door neighbor has it and she's an emergency room because the icu's full which your foot down. Yeah and the fact is matters since the next door. Neighbors all got it. She's she's been way better. I mean it no more no more shopping trips and she's she's been way better. Why do people need it to happen to someone in their family to them or someone next door to get it not believing that the the pandemic is a thing does it make the pandemic not a thing and there so many people particularly conservatives who don't think something is real or something they need to be concerned about until it happens to them then they i am so sick. I'm sure you're reading these stories to stories in the paper about somebody's like i wasn't taking the pandemic seriously. I thought it was hoax. Then my whole family got it. Everyone needs to not make the mistake. I made and take it seriously if everyone has to get hit by the meteor for us to take the meteor shower. Seriously we're all gonna die. We're all going to get hit the meteor. I'm sorry that you have so many deranged conspiracy theorists in your life in your orbit. I would if i were you move them out. And if your wife hasn't succumbed to them yet i would run interference just as strongly as i possibly could to make sure that she doesn't because it's splitting up families. You see it on. Read about cunanan you on reddit. Threads about trump in the election families are breaking up over this because this kind of tribalism this toxic tribalism and with one tribe not having to marshall facts or evidence it's all just faith-based it's gonna it's gonna break families and could break up yours so i would right now while you still can run. Interference draw a line reason with your wife. Try to e- program her but at the very least insistent demand that she not accidentally kill. You advocate for your own health and safety. Yeah i really think our relationship is pretty stable. I mean we. We are both in the greatest relationship of our lives. So that does. It's very clear that a priority. Then tell her imagine how terrible she'll feel if she kills you think the relationship is great and she'd like it to go on or she's willing to run the risk of killing yourself or killing you or killing both of you to hang out with buccaneers. Yeah no she shouldn't wanna gamble her marriage her life. 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Roleplaying and surprisingly i've been finding a lot of guys who are into that as well and it seems to be like really popular on tiktok and and i really hesitant about it of course because it's a really dangerous thing to do but i was just wondering what tips do you have. What's the safest way to go about it. I know for gun play. That's like the most dangerous thing so any advice you could give me. I appreciate it. We used to talk about safe sane and consensual and that's what. dsm should be and king should be in power exchange to be what you're interested in. It's very particular an edgy. Kind of power exchange. These days people talk about rack. Rate aware consensual kink acknowledging that sex kinky or otherwise isn't always you're not always able to ensure that is one hundred percent perfectly safe and we're comfortable with things not being one hundred percent safe when comes to anything that doesn't involve genitals or turn zor orgasms people go skiing and slamming the trees and die. There's certain risk there when you get on the mountain. People understand it in our k with nobody says no one should ever skied. 'cause sometimes people get hurt when it comes to sacks. No one should ever do acts because sometimes people get hurt. That is something. A lot of people are comfortable. Saying and i'm sure there's a lot of people out there right now. Who are saying it about your particular kinks. This kind of edge play consensual nonconsensual. Sex which is kind of bungee jump ish ravage seem right or gunplay or snuff role play. Which is where you pretend together. That one of you is our has killed the other. 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iOS 14 privacy, iOS 13.6 released, the state of the Apple Watch

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iOS 14 privacy, iOS 13.6 released, the state of the Apple Watch

"Got Some things this week. Some fun things, things and different things, so let's kick it off with. something. That happened this week. apples I tweet and from there we'll talk about privacy and security because it's all one thing. This is this was. You. Up in while apple has a twitter account, they don't use it. They do is push ads Zona right which. which had that strategy alone is confusing because you're making a promoted tweet to share to people who want to engage with, but you could get more engagement popular tweeted as well so I. Never Really understood that. They were persistent even though they tweet on. Like secondary counts like the apple music count. Apple TV account the one account they have plenty of other accounts, but main like apple account has never tweeted these ads well this week. It did tweet, but not quite in the way that I think apple wanting to Christmas entrance into twitter because the entire Like. Hack of pretty big proportion. Sent this kind of bitcoin scam. Running around the apple account effected like Barack. Obama's account effected ELAM NASA is sorry John did not. Possible, you know. Really bad tweet. But. It. Says you see on to places like a? Hundred, percent, a hack, just like and and the tweets like slightly different wording, but the apple is getting back to the community. We support Bitcoin and we believe you should a. Scam was they a bitcoin address in the tweet and the idea was that if you send your? Share if your bitcoin to the wallet, they would send you. You know double bag which classes Scott Right, we send you. Oversee the scam. is they never sent any badly? Just keep to themselves, but. It's just this crazy like event eventuality. How rare is it for like an apple official? Count be compromised and originally. It wasn't entirely clear if it was like. A targeting of individual accounts, but now it seems like it was a more fundamental attack on twitter's internal. Totally maybe they had help from the inside the the exact reasoning. Slow known but. Apple's kind of wasted its first tweet on a bitcoin scam just holding. It was. While to see play out. Even changed the coin remember the icon went to. The apple like. avatars this black apple logo, but for whatever reason the hackers let's turn you into a great one. They've changed it back now but I think if you actually look at the. Look at the the replaced icon. He's actually off center like they haven't fixed it. So, that's thorough havoc that was. The one pixel alignment. Rican have even even now, but it was kind of funny like in the wake of this. Everyone's saying you know that. Reset your pulse word and make sure you got to. Factor enabled world I stop verified accounts have to have two factor authentication. They don't let you have a nowadays without it. S A massive can be a with another outright or twist. Only because I use SMS too because I, don't think. He's one password for the. For the for the code. Maybe they abso that. I think against the I. Guess What People Complain About is that. Based to factories required. They basically promote you to use the SMS. And that might be something to policy changes in the light of the scandal is the della. More secure versions of factor. What's the point in locking in changing the locks on the door? If the robbery inside which is kind of these case, right, everyone's saying Oh. There's Times Change Paucity patronizing base if twitches compromised. You know at that level internally. It doesn't matter what protections your opinion account. They have access to the database essentially can get whatever they want, so it was kind of like you know. Oversee purposely practices, in Poland, but in this case it was an example of where. Just, because you've you've got a positive on your data, you know if it's entering to an encrypted, someone can hack in and get access to from the other side, right? They don't have to have your pockets gaxister account. And this kind of like blends into. Or this kind of like. I was fourteen. Does right like for I? Mean just on the twitter quickly. It was really crazy because they got to like. It didn't sound twitter knew what was happening at first like he took him a while to sort out because they had to like. Turn off tweeting verified accounts. Crazy right? So mental situation and maybe there'd be like a movie about. It was pretty crazy. How this colleague Stars Fourteen overseas the apple is a big. Promoter and activists on topics on security, and as well as doubling down on not lighting day the day that does get collected they're you know putting more and more tension access says looking at damper more things. Mission looks at one of the things that's coming out with. The is fourteen stuff. Is The clipboard situation? And so with that like of these APPS, keep getting. Framed stealing information because. I was fourteen does is when and requests access to the contents of the clipboard. It puts up a little banner that says like. Apollo Pacey from Safaris. Client, and it checks the clipboard, and then it pops up. Obama, and there's been so many of these in the last month since I was fourteen came out a lawsuit against link, Dan. Yeah, there's a Lotta Against Lynton A. People make every day, so it's kind of a relevant right like. Let's say Mukasa virus fourteen. Link Ten. Yeah, because like the real like symptom. Here is the apple of probably put the clipboard as sensitive data long time ago, and they never did, and because they basically cooperative the MAC motor right light from the from the desktop. If you copy and paste something as an application, you don't get any reporting on the desktop, and even on big Sur you can copy and paste, and there's no. There's no love right like so they've only started. Doing now s and so. Oversee, the the banner kind of shines. A light on militia uses, and I'm sure there are a few of them and some people for quite low at night worse than stuff who would basically spy clipboard and depending on what the keywords called me? Target your advertising or identify uniquely. And then there's other kind of uses the clipboard where it's like personally Jim, but it causes like it's like scaremongering, because it causes the balanced to appear an apples presentation the ban. It doesn't know the intent of what the APPs doing. That's like a block so. If an copying the data just to check it locally if there's Lincoln it and then redirect you to inappropriate application, which is a Paulo, does right so Apollo Apollo reddit. If you copy a separate link to you clipboard when you open the APP, you can automatically tell you. Do you want to go and see this post directly? So as is convenient shortcut right, which Brandi but the the symptom is fourteen. Is that every time the outcomes to the foreground? It says the police clipboard with. has actually storing informational sending-off off anywhere else and I think in the League linked in case. They said there was just like this behavior with the text view component they were using way was trying to like see if there was a link there, and it was muddling. Pace the air or give you a topic to paste in the link to the document, and they would just kind of using a roundabout way of implementing where they like checking the. The boot every keystroke whereas they could have waited like notifications and stuff to know about it better. That was causing. You know craziness where the TIKTOK example. They said that they were using the clipboard as a way to prevent fraud. Now take talks, Chinese? COMPANY GETS A lot scrutiny. Who knows what that rule utility of the clipboard was? There is a Charles that it was actually genuinely for fraud prevention, because if you if you've got like A. If you've got one of those clint. Have you seen those videos where there's just a wall the phones and then they just automatically like tweeting or following people like things on facebook their versions after Tiktok and checking the clipboard is like a clever way of detecting fueled robot, not because if you're gonNA, just pasting Luder text, most humans aren't going to pay load a text every single time, so it's kind of like a heuristic us, so that might have been what's happening oversea in the wake of the scandal becoming so apparent they they see so clear they can live without it, but this is kind of like. Follow on ramifications of literally or the happens is tell us not is happening and the problem the problem the kind of issue is is the safe. You've got an APP that you have to use right like essential to your business or essential July. Well? The I was fourteen. Who Tell you these copying the clipboard? As an individual, there's not really anything you can do about it right. You just kind of know like you can't delete the APP if you need it right like. I was fourteen doesn't let you say never let this APP accesses clipboard for instance, and so you just kind of left in limbo well, this might speiss buying. You know I don't actually have to today with. What you think about stuff like that is. A shame, a name game is such a wide net of stuff that like raises on clearly has him intended consequences, and even in the gym cases. You already Rico application by gas. when apple expects developers to figure this out because you immediately hear from users, public Beta testers developers other a developer. Beta that. Hey, this is happening. I mean. It's it's in the Beta period where someone manages to see link Dan. They're working. So it, certainly getting attention before the the final release in in the fall, and I. DO agree with you because it isn't that there's no action for users It's all about shaming and. Creating A reason for users to complain to the to developers about hey, what is this and in the case of APPs that we really enjoy like Apollo like deliveries for example as an APP that I love to use a track? shipments coming to me, they? They kind of fall into this by accident because they're using it legitimately for features, and so what will what will see you know by? The fall is developers you're kind of. Hastily trying to improve how they communicate what they're doing to users, which is probably a good thing. You know that's okay. personally I would turn it off because if you could, you can't. Yeah there's there's there's. A. Privacy is. Good as positive of it will have a good thing, but it kind of reminds me of the way the people of you'd Catalina the MAC. To Juneau right just interrupts. It doesn't interrupt because it's just a banner, but it's still distracting and even before I fourteen Beta there was this new behavior in I was thirteen point, four or five hundred for, but it was the version that. Makes you confirm to add something to your reading list? Like twitter where I add things to my reading list all the time and. If you do it from an apple APP you don't. See that, but if you do it from a third party, APP you have to confirm that you want to add something tear eating less every single time every time and should be learning. So you click the add to respond, and it tells you do actually want to add this relates yes, or no, like completely redundant just gets in your way for what should be a one click. Built the muscle memory now of tap confirm. Just like so many other things that are not really optimize for efficiency. But that the, but this puts it reminds me of that situation where it's just like it's now a feature creep, but it's like. You know just to slowly. They're adding on things that are good, well intentioned, but for the user It's it's. You don't. Paul to do anything about it right right right? Yeah, it's just kind of saffron. Most people just just carry out and don't think of it twice right. I mean th th the feature for deliveries is that you've got a A tracking number our code on your clipboard. You select it you copy it, and then you open deliveries and recommends you know, says Hey, you've got a track number on your clipboard. You WanNa make this something that you have in your database needs. Yeah, you know, and if apple, just like entirely against that than than say so because there's other ways of doing that, there's extensions where you can like select it in the added the exemption in the share sheet. But. It'd be nice if you could like. Click on the banner that POPs down. As like ignore in future so for the application you never get notified about it again, or you can like ban access to the clipboard for the APP because she gives some utility to the feature rather than just like a warning sign every single time, 'cause even even like a us a copy or a use a paste causes the banner alert like if you go into the notes, happened you go doubleclick paste. It will tell you that you've pasted from another application. You know you're doing that. You've done it yourself right because the the APA level it. It doesn't know the where it came from. So it just kind of has to the every single case, but that becomes very annoying very quickly, and in the in the red case, there's probably a some mitigation. 'cause in I was fourteen. There is they are adding an API which kind of let APP now if there's a euro on the clipboard with Shamanic Chat, Clip Book, Say what Tell You. What the euro is to say on the clipboard there is a euro, and so if they come to the Paulo read, it would just using the. APP and it's obvious example is right now. Trying to pick them out single out. Every develop as is facing the same problem it. Comes to the foreground it. Can you know on on the update version? It will be out of say. Is there a link on the on the clipboard? And if the answer is no, it can just carry on without doing anything and the and the shown if the answer's Yes. The Bino still be shown so even when you want to. Have actually copy link to use it in. It the battle still come up, so it costs out kind of the false negative cases, but the first positive cases still to survive, and in the case of deliveries. There's no API. Is the delivery number on the clipboard. Yes, Oh, so. Know completely help, yeah! It. Up on the on the twitter hack story something we'll talk about later. In this episode is the Apple News today podcast fermentable, and they cover the story. They mentioned that Bill Gates and Brock Obama were were hacked. They did not mention that. Compared Care Classic Velappan of. Humble Thing in the news of classic. Classic interest, the yeah, that's right all right. The green and artists DOT com. That's the official name I believe in. this is the same kind of fame just as the clip post stuff, but it hasn't like the clip stop. Anyone could download an APP and if the clipboard banner up as you can tweet about thousand retweets, so the moment that's like the main right. The orange and green dots haven't quite reached that same level of. Hype, but they basically the same thing as the clip except they apply to, if an currently using the microphone or his current, using the camera, and so most most decent APPs there on the. malicious. If you're using a camera that show you, Cameron the screen right another with now window in the corner. Maybe full screen depending on what's going on. Basically if an doing Jimmy, you know the cameras being used right. Can you see it, but there isn't actually a requirement for an application to do that like the way that the framework works, you can. Just requesting the commerce has shown Onscreen, Anto So. This is what these dots are defending against. Try No okay. This application is accessing the camera, but it doesn't make any sense for and the camera. Is the equivalent of what you have on Webcams on on the. Books Awry Yeah Oversee. You're the the the green led on the map. Books is kind of fixing hardware, said the HASTA turn on the camera tons on the ones on the iphone and the IPAD is self by but similar effect right? Have you seen outlooks on on non ten phones? I think it just puts like adult in the status bar. Okay just. Haven't it. In the states bar, because otherwise it fits up in the you know. The kids yeah. At! least like again. You have the same problem with well. If there's not be related to us and it's actually the camera. Like I guess okay I guess in the camera Marfan cases they do offer privacy. Sayings Feature Tunnel, so you can actually go into saying previously and say don't allow. This is my camera. Donald upsets my microphone. But say if you've got like an APP where you do actually want it to have camera access because you want to take pictures and. Video Chat right say a militia video chapter does actually do Video Co., so use it, but when you actually own a video. Camera again in those situations. There's nothing you can do about it so i. or Dave Zazi He. He saw that zoom. If you. If you use zoom, it has a built in like part of the user interface. Your mic button and so the idea there is you tap it and other people in the call can't hear you, but the the microphone dot stays lit, and so it's still using your microphone probably taking all of your input volume zero, but it's still accessing it, and so it doesn't really. Doesn't tell you. You know you're being hurt or not. It's. Connect through. Kind of misleading people. Yeah, that's I. Guess That's my main. Like criticism of colleen is purposely dialogues or these dialogues. Like what do you do about him? Yeah, and they a lot of the time. They're scaring people when there's no need to be right. Is and it's hard to know where to go because the clipboard situation. Could actually be used the? How do you add in a protection for that? You. I was fourteen approximating dialogue, and at some point just seventy dialogues, people just get bored of pressing okay dialogues like I can say with my experience Catalina. Win over those popped up. I didn't think I stopped using any application because any in. This access your documents for this. Your desktop like I'm just want to use the APP so I just press. Yes, yes, yes, I don't think those purview dogs. That actually helped me. Stop against anything right they. They're actually helping me. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you there. And then this. We're not done yet on these on these. Catalina style alerts and everything. Local network warnings. What this is is whenever it's similar to Bluetooth years ago where I guess maybe last year that you before where if an APP Previously Get, Access Bluetooth with Iowa's Kaz thirteen You had to get permission for Access Bluetooth, and something's legitimate like if you wanted to interact with a chrome cast, for example, then that was bluetooth discovered in this part of how it paired, and made the connection and so that was legitimate, but then there are also things like facebook excess Bluetooth and you really didn't know why and and there there were things that you'd wonder like well if I want to put this on like headphones, then should i. Turn on Bluetooth. So that'll that can listen to facebook video on headphones and the enter. That was now, but it wasn't clear. You just had to kind of experiment with a user. And now now we have this thing with with local network morning, so it'll, it'll prompt you as a permission dialogue. It'll ask you for permission to Let the APP access your Wi fi network for example and. Ivan deep dive into this and I'm not a developers, so I'm not so sure what's happening here except that it's similar to Bluetooth and so from my perspective, it's just one more thing where. I don't know I. Guess I wanted to be able to use easily. I'm glad you said that. Because nine thousand nine hundred paper can be just like you. Know, what they're agree no denying here. I I didn't know the whole story like there is local working API so shoot. It was kind of relating to that, but it was a tricky. He's in other cases as well so like. This is literally a dialogue that nobody really knows what it controls. And so. Do you say yesterday, you say no well I. Guess You just say No, and then if something breaks, you go into settings and turn it back on again that that because of the nature of the way because of the way that apple's been producing these disavow alert without enough context to make a an educated decision in the moment, minute strategy has been. Been no to everything. You know to alert until I want those things you understand notification services, no to alerts no, to whatever I don't know why it needs that that way for Bluetooth and then hopefully you know kind of kind of the model right now is that you know if you access Bluetooth then they need. Then they have to tell you in. In the APP somewhere that you turn it off in that, you have to turn it on to access this feature, young and that kind of works you know but but again I'm doing the same thing with with APPs now for networking request where I just say no, and we'll see what breaks internalize needed and local networking. If you say no, it doesn't. Doesn't mean that Konak tissue. WIFI eight means it access devices in your wife. I like your printer or other devices trying to be like a shared device on the network. That's kind of basie what they go for their, but I would argue is how confusing that no one's GonNa. Know it means they are not sure what the privacy risk is that really because? You know I may, they must be some exposure to the is is subtle otherwise they wouldn't have done it, but like just host situation just. Riding banners just very suboptimal and. For. Something like location services. Are So sensitive. You want it to be upfront direct. Yes, no, do you want to do is? Made from before, but they've improved the way it works by now you can select precise or general so for a weather APP for example you can say I want my general location that we provided, but not precisely my street level location because you're just checking the weather for the zip code for example, and you don't even know if I'm on this three. Or I'm traveling over here and that's cool. I'm using a lot of that and I. Make no sound decisions of like well. This one is delivery APP for food. And they wanted to know where I am or or this one doesn't need my precise location, so you know it's nice and like last year I did allow once so like safe delivery. APP The store Save Your address for next time. Yeah, just allow access to education one time to actually fill in your address for you, and then he can just remember that address in November your current location every minute of the day right like. The location location data is so privileged, and an important I agree I should have all these elevations and the direct dialogues are very much welcome and they've been for years right, but. I think there needs to be more consideration for the kind of like second test off because you can't just keep adding dialogues, there's so many dialogues that nobody understands and everyone just presses, yes, or no to without knowing what they were agreeing to well. No, I'm just getting annoyed by then got the clipboard stuff which tells you about every single time. There's nothing you can do about it like there has to be better approach is somehow I have all the answers, but I just wanted to raise it because I feel like it's kind of to the point now where it's kind of hurt in the user experience like it just feels annoying. is much a catalina moment for us, and that is a mix of good and bad and. They're adding more and more every year which I mean. The whole. Steve, jobs, they keep asking until the user gets tired of it. I guess what we didn't. We didn't get from that as like doing the tired of it I. Guess You said, keep asking but now. All right and by the way speaking of food. 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He gave me a little curve. Boo. And you told me. That, you'd sowed everything. Saw A lot. Yeah, we must consoled all the things that now you know possessions anymore. So far removed from it now. It's been a week. Lettuce Lake. What even even sell? So. As part of Taking on a whole new interest in space and doing the basics for dot com for the nine network and having the new space time podcast launch yesterday I. I've I've tried to sort of reapproach how I handle my focus and sort of limiting distractions, and just being like laser focused on these are the tools that are getting the work for or helping me get the work done and you know, and then these are the things that are kind of just satellite accessories, and I don't really have to have them to get the job done and so. I've streamlined might tools in terms of technology to be. The iphone that I have in the Mac that I have and an air pods. So you know they're in the mix. couple displays at the desk. You know And that's it and so that leaves out the IPAD and the Apple Watch which is. Probably the biggest move for me Better for the watch since it came out, yeah, yeah, Yeah Yeah Yeah And so some of that is like. And also like. The cause of happy hour and doing. The recording saw that we do. Often have an idea like on the fly as you're talking, and if I don't write it down off, forget it and I won't get back to it. and so I've taken to using a notebook for that purpose, and since since then I've kind of adopted that to. Using a notebook for a lot of different things, I have an idea and so I had like a really healthy moment purge where it was like. Let me you know kind of. just have a few things that I have to have. That couldn't function without in the things that I can get rid of. Let's do that for now. and it's been a real real cool experience. One thing with the watch. Is that When when I'm writing my motorcycle for one. It had some pretty cool utility. Where have my phone in my backpack or my pocket? And then if I'm on gotTA. Stop sign or a red light I can change the music or adjusted, but I also find that. It was like as equally distracting to like one a like. Check. And so it's been nice into just like now when I go for a Ride I've got a bluetooth helmet, and that's these podcast, navigation and and kind of a cool part of this is now I'm I'm having to sort of appreciate series because without the watch Syria becomes a lot more important. It's important for the watch, but like if you get an alert, and you're using earphones or something than series kind of your way into check and see like what? What just happened or or to command things you know, and there's one thing like using Siri on the wrist and saying like do this. Do that feels like you're kind of in control but you're going out a little bit more on alleged on your own when it's to Siri with with no visual interface to it so I'm enjoying that experience. It kind of reminds me of you know like the pre watched as I guess where that's what serialize. And then. The home, Pie stand the lineup, so they're. They're a big part of being kind of connected when I don't know how something on me. At home in this very cool. But what if it goes on the watch here for a moment? Because kind of what happened, there was I've. A riot with With with what I use the watch for the most, which is you know I got really hooked on activity tracking and You know the watch got me into. Running never would've ran without the apple. Watch and I never would have liked done races with apple. Watch but then I got your point where like it wasn't motivating that alone was motivating enough and so I kind of wanted to do, and all the data that was collecting was just like not useful, because it wasn't a wasn't making the effort to make useful. And so it's just like a scale back and let's let's. Do do that stuff without the watching without all that data involved so now on running and I'm just I never thought I would do this, but I'm running out the watch and like bring without collecting data I'm just doing it for that for that purpose you know, and that's kind of neat and then when new watch out in the fall you know, all I will evaluate it and if it's. You know an advancement over the series five in a way that that actually affects me like if it's blood, oxygen sensor, and that's like the big new thing. you guys? Yeah, yeah, I mean. That's cool, but but it won't be like the selling point for me. It it would need to be. I don't know what it needs to be actually so. But but I'm sure I'll go back to it, but I'm certainly going to enjoy the months between now and then to not have to think about it, and then all evaluate when the time comes, another factor was was watch os seven. Just just you know it's not a bad update it's got some. Some coal features in it, and this is a weird year for watch Os, and for all software updates because it was kind of where we are and. You know I. I was disappointed and sleep. Stop Inslee tracking because my favorite favorite features were on the iphone, and that's the wind down mode and then they the bedtime alarm clock and everything, and those can supply data to the help of believe and that's like what I need and the watch I guess is mostly you know. Are you in bed or asleep kind of thing, but it's not that grayndler third party APPS are for the watch so I guess I'm also kind of waiting to see like. Does it does feature hardware kind of justify buying? We there has to be something the. The four years of development since by better has actually led to right because what they shipped. Of what we see now is just a very. Bad bones. You're in bed now. You've woken up like and. It just feels there's something missing, and maybe there is a you know super-secret hardware feature on the next amplify the sleep tracking on crazy overlay of extra insight, but. I has been there haven't been any rumors about it right like. On what how do you like? It's a big question about whether it should get liver and I agree you. I think seven didn't address. Core issues like the always on display. That's the big thing. I had a solicitor thick three things, and that's the one thing I can recall before wbz is. This is what I want to see today. Regardless of what's rumored you know, and that with with the series five watch which was released. After. Watching a came out. It had the ability to have your watch face show it had some you know the time always, and if you're in an APP associated digital clock with a blurred background, the only APP that would work in the always on of mode is the workout APP and so for the workout app you can see you know is is actually good for you can see the current time pass and the calories, barring that kind of thing with what you're doing in the workout and that's cool, and so it seemed like the natural progression. Wise now watch seven. We'll finish out. The always on feature will either bring to more apps like maps like now playing wind. Timer. I, mean they? Work Apple's like a timer that counts up I mean come on. You know a you know. Make an analogue version of the always unwashed face, instead of just digital with a blurred background, just have a simple analogue version of that, because if you use an analog face, you get pushed into this digital watch mood whenever you use an APP or if you have the default setting on. If you're playing audio from your phone, it's going to be the now playing. You know user interface on the watch which gets covered up with the background in the digital time over your analyze face. Context which if he used to having an analog face showing, did you if I said a top is inside like it, just yeah. Yeah, so all of the none of those things happen. There wasn't any additional apple APPS that supported always on at least not yet, and then there are certainly sdk for for third party developers to take advantage of which is kind of what you'd expect. Okay, apple does it with workout then they bring into more apps and they bring all APPS. Got Framework that you've gotta work within, but but that's how it works and we haven't seen that yet. I know it's a weird year for for for the updates, but that seems like that was kind of baked Dan. Local ways on face just seems. Minimum. Minimum level of yeah I didn't seem like it was being worked on in December before. The world down and you know because many of our of our. Of Our. From was like what's being worked on December, like I. Is. Very reflective. What probably a lot of people feel about? Apple's devices like the phones essential right? No one's going to define like you. Basically you need. If if you're doing work, you're gonNA need like some people are GonNa get way with an IPAD. But most people still need a laptop or an I MAC right. And then the watches a luxury the end of the day right like I. Could you know? Like get rid of the watching Karuma life basically unchanged right I like having the watch and I use it, but I could do it without right like I could run the half an hour every just time. My fine don't have to have the watched vibrating to let me know that. That's another visit another point is that with with With the fitness stuff now again I I never would have got into running without the Apple Watch like it was the series to gps that made me even want to test it out. I got into fitness in the first place because I wanted to try. That felt for the watch. In terms of reviewing seeing what is like An and that? Change the course of you know their history. My life probably in terms of just being healthier and. But. Now I am curious like what is it like to? Madrid marathon in December. So, what is it like to train for a marathon? Without the watch without any kind of watched and and you know I've got the iphone eleven pro, not even the big one, so you know it's not that massive heavy for bringing that along. I've got you know cellular their cellular there. There's music streaming. There's great battery life. There's GPS like all of those things What missing out on heart rate. Did you know? But I've Oxley actually use external heart rate monitor with the watch to prolong butter last someone ring if I'm going to get this. Very similar data that way at least what I need and then there's the whole thing where with machines treadmills etc to. Do, get data from that too, and it's always been kind of a frustration that without Jim kit being. Widely available. Two sets of data where it's. It's the watched data which. Is probably what you go on in terms of like it knows more about you than the machine dies, but then there's the machine day that which can vary, and it's like you know which ones conical watches, but you know there's other ways to do this. And so I am going to have kind of this this year. I think doing for this fall at least doing the same stuff fitness, minus the wild in the picture, and and but not without technology. The phone will still be involved because I. Can't. Struggled around without music chose. To work with that music. Like, obviously, selling is more drastic, but I think. There is a real issue for apple in like how they going to get people to stay on the watch longtime like. What was going like that? They're still going up and up and up, but I think most is just you know new people coming to watch like I'm not sure there is, so they say. Oh, yeah, exactly so apple says. We saw that with the IPAD as well the I had like you know four great years, and then it starts there plateau pretty heavily, and then start getting downwards, and I think the watch could have the same fate where people you know, they stick with a series stirs serious full for like four years, and they don't see a reason to change it. You know I didn't upgrade Lajja right like I've not graded every single generation like an and. Then just never going to have the same kind of replacement cycle that you get on a phone, right or Maybe even like like laptops lost. You know five years, but there Russo. Five Times expensive so apple kind of make up in the price of the machine. Right like the watchers. Most people are buying the cheapest watchers know two, hundred, three, hundred, three, hundred, fifty, three, ninety, nine, most right, and so they never going to get like. He's to. It's going to taper off. I think like there isn't that attachment ray of. You know I love my watch so much that if I lost it tomorrow, I'm going to go and buy one. Like I. IF I was watching, it just fell in a river. I didn't think I'd be compelled to replace it. See if I lost my phone at have to buy new fight and you know what I mean like. The watch is going to be in this situation where you know. Once it reaches critical mass and. Basically, everyone that wants one has got one like I'm not sure actually retain people as well as they can. We lead devices. You're GONNA see casual. Upgrading I think you're GONNA. See A lot of people. Just carrying the continental dies, and some people might even be like well. I don't need this anymore is unnecessary. I've changed my habits. I've got healthier. 'cause. The fitness is a huge portion of it, and if you if you use the watch to get it so much. As you do that, you're moving a need for it. Do you know what I mean? It's kind of this kind of self defeating aspect of it, so yeah, and I I still think the watches is a great product, and it's like know one of the most exciting things apple's. Come out with showing. In in the last several years like exciting versus. Successful is very different problem. You know I mean like an English side. But long term outlook. Is it going to be like an ipad where the south going down down down, go into this Rut. I mean like I. Don't think they're going to be sustain. The growth that having for a very long time like? They're gonNA taper. Maybe. I'll be wrong, but yeah. I mean. My complaints will like very specific like you know I think. The average person might not have the same complaints that you know. I think I think common complaints are like I can't stream spotify music on it. or Music on it. Because pop for the wash. Case you like. Send a message directly like. Riding Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they'll get there and so so maybe it will be that in the next year or so. The watch APP situation, improves. because. There's already kind of the groundwork practically dying. That will change it for for a Lotta. People will say, but I'm not I'm not like totally out of it. You Know A. just for now and the same thing I mean that was easier to give to give up time apart from testing is fourteen staff flight I don't use the IPAD. Parties all year. Yeah. I'd like I'm really excited about. MACs with arm silicon because you know most APPs if at all APPS that I use on, irs will be available to run on that Mac and so I am all in on on. You know macbook pro with with good feature. You know good specs with apple silicon, just because of of what it can do, and then all the things that apple didn't take away you now, so I'm. Looking forward to that kind of being, and it's kind of like you know. The the phone is like you know obviously useful in specific situations, democracies, other situations, and not having that in between of light. Will you know? Should I try it here and then start there, you know the kind of thing is nice. and I can't under under sell the value of a notebook. I'm really enjoying. My IPAD I mean I'm still in the twenty fifty nine typewriter and I'm. I'm interesting changing it because the frustrations and just sit on news, it will like and similar to what you're seven the IPAD fourteen updates with similarly like. Inconsequential as a good word, right rather than being like known existed they were, they were improvements enhancements, but I think the core problems of the product. Those those operating system updates did nothing to address that like adding scribble for bet. A handwriting entry into text fields. He's an appendix is fine and great but I. Don't think that's what most people that are like annoyed at the ipad about over eating to use it for more things like I don't know when I'm GonNa want to scribble into tex. Really from occasionally when I've been drawing maybe and then I just need to quit. He'd write something down, but. A in the general scheme of things like crazy issues like the multitasking situation. That's really what makes the IPAD the IPAD good and just addressing it for years and years. Yeah Yeah. Let's I guess. Is that I kind of feel like what I'm doing now it's like hitting reset and then I'm I'm being more like the average consumer and kind of trying to have that perspective and I you. Looking around like is less common to have an apple watch than it is to have one which is a total shift from. Five years ago. About oversee apple's perfectly fine products very very good, but. I do think we kind of point where? You call have like you're never going to be able to get satisfaction out of everything they have because everything overlaps right, and so you end up. Everything isn't for everyone for all the time, so you end up spilling out into like these three us and then the other stuff. You don't really have to care about as much. Yeah, and and then I guess the big thing looming is apple glasses, or whatever this ends up being called and and that's interesting to. To me now as a as I, I I drive my car. When I got the kids with the everything but like there's no distance I don't WanNa travel on my motorcycle, if from by myself, and in that case you know the the interfaces, my Bluetooth Helmet and so I'm getting you know entertainment information through audio, only in the car I'm using car play of course and You know very much. Enjoy appreciate that but then you know on the motorcycle. Man I wonder what would apple classes could do in that situation you know one thing is kind of annoys me, but this is true. Is that Air Pods and beats headphones can do. Reply to messages with Siri you know, and you can't do that on like platoon helmet because it's not an apple proprietary. and we talked about Louis. Free Show, last week of light, why not and we really couldn't come up with a good answer? And, so you know, but so so. You get a message to you can apply back. Is a Dang, and then you can ask like what it says. It says I'm lucky. I do that, so it's no good. But I am curious now more than ever like. While glasses be like you know? The does it give you that visual element, but safely you know. I'd never been interested in it before. It's been like we'll see what it does, but it's not really enticing now. I'm kind of curious, yeah. Yes like. I think he's just an important. The you know. Even us like hardcore uses. We still don't find value every single product apple megs right, and that's perfectly fine as a listener or as a normal consumer. You shouldn't feel pressure to either right like. You know get benefits and I think he's good. The APP who is pretty aggressive at let basically just cannibalizing every in lineup right so they like holding back stuff the this should do. This doesn't mean like 'cause. They very easy like not let the eye. Tracking make you have the wash to do it. Do you know what I mean and they don't they they? They generally don't do so. In that way, you know they kind of running a business nicely so that you don't feel. It's mandatory to literally own everything. Is it's healthy position as a healthy viewpoints? How does? Cake second sponsor, and then we'll finish up with school who needs? Everyone needs a great pet of what is eat buds. You're working out at the gym, but just trying to concentrate when working at high. You want to hear what you want to listen to you. 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Looks Good. They didn't invent the brake cable, but it be would be. The first apple sells one. Yeah, I guess. I should not shipping about saw power bricks in the box that giving you a lightening cable. That doesn't frighten easily. Good. FRIEND LAUGHTER DREAM ONTO A he confirmed the date planning to do lightening cable, which has a braided and we've seen. Appleby Brady K. Booze with the how cable for instance and I relate, Brady K. Booze, and when I buy Thi- pot cables, I attended by the brave ones, and so it'll be nice to. Apple does as well like I. Don't think. Adding a high quality lining cable will make people who shot up about the power brick, and the that's be missing, so it's not really gonNA. Quote those complaints, but just on his own isolated situation. Apples lining cables could be nice equality and. Making them braided definitely helped your ability and longevity on on Isis. The. After Muslims will be sold separately. Joe Eventually, if not right at first and you know, they'll probably be sold for a premium price because you're not just the basic ones. They're braided. And now have that that you know paying markup on it. But I mean these I would invest in. You know a small set of these. Even if they're white, only not a block option. For a long time and Part of that is like an my wife's car. She has a really long wait and capable reaches to the back seat and and that's cool, but it's got. Wires coming out of the tip of it. Between the connector, the liar and I don't use it because it feels like a fire hazard and a car that could explode, but she does and then. Because it reaches the kids in the back seat which is. Not Good? But then often I'll see in terms of of lightning. Cables NOT HOLDING UP. There's there's two things one is that you know if you don't hold it the connector part of it then the wire part is very week. That doesn't really change with Brady cables, but it's not as bad the other thing is the way it handles sunlight like you can bake a lightening cable a thirty cable before that you know. They will literally turn orange and it's not working. That makes them like very vulnerable to fraying. And so a brady cable. You buy a little bit more. You know kind of defense against that happening, because it's a different material so I'm all on board the cable train you know you. Know by twelve four. Even, if it's not sold separately at first, but it's a nice perk. The chargers situations. Wrap my head around that yet. And people. WanNa talk to regular people that are just not falling the stuff. They ask the asking about the the rumors getting out there, so yeah people. I have had people. You need not happy about it either the. Definite like when it happens, it's GONNA cost headlines. We just it will. He's going to be. It's going to be a mess. Quite rightly Saudi probably. Okay. Quo gave us yet. Another update on the on transition roadmap oversee. He's been talking about the point three probing the first magically this year. We're expecting. The I. Mac as well at some point now he's saying. There is GONNA to be a book F- with Apple Silicon a going into production in the fourth quarter of the late this year, releasing late show the next year, and then in twenty twenty one, the F- thirty point three inch map, pro replaced by fourteen inch version, and they'll be an update six inch, and the for the new fourteen thousand six be redesigned, so we'll get like a more significant day to both of them. PROMOS next year, according to quo, which is kind of interesting, because that means that just going to be this kind of like stepping stone on Apple Mac thirteen inch. By any this year as well so. Interesting writing map, but. And I think it'd be cool if they can like. Do something more significant oversee. He doesn't tell the. What's actually makes up the redesign, but like a face ID different calls May. I kind of I'm kind of down for a change from the standard like metal and glass, dark grey. Look, so if they do something more drastic for let's say. For instance? We were ready for that when the Mexican, perking now in the I league from Apple and apparently like. The video. The product and it was like. Really I? Think we pass on it the first time because we didn't think it was different I am unbelievably similar. So. Yeah, we're, we're ready? This center China this out so. Thirteen inch. Not Well armed thirteen arm air first, and then, and those aren't expected to be like a new design. You know people people may want that to happen but I. don't think that's being. You know projected, yeah! The same bodies united today, but that's what the prices. Yeah, which is okay sure it'd be a better machine for it. The fourteen inch would be a different design the sixteen inch. Screen size, but you know if you making design tweak so that thing and it will look different than the two thousand sixteen Mac pro You know that's cool. I think that the thirteen inch one I would skip the air. I would skip because there's aren't machines I, use now and even with arm even with Apple Silicon A. It's you know it's not that tempted but then the. The fourteen inch or sixty minutes depending on the specs between those two things that would be interesting, and you can kind of imagine. Fourteen inch will be the same similar body as thirteen inch, and so they do not be, you know would would be that much different terms of what you're carrying around so mid two, thousand twenty one. That's the gopher for new maximum I. Think Probably. Giving signage. I'm ready. That's right. Yeah I! Will this in a heartbeat? Everyone keeps I've heard a lot of other podcasts. About how people be hesitant or you? Don't want people gonNA to out the first generation I think people are gonNA. Love it like most people. Most normal people buy books, not even know what the processor is just by because it's the map book, thirteen inch, or whatever and they'll just be happy that it's got bachelor. Falls. This is going to get better, and it can run the same apps from your phone. And your and you know that that's awesome. The, irs APP stores well like yeah. They didn't take anything away so. The really I think people are going to buy them in droves like. They're going to be great. Town I am very excited so so we'll plan for next. WDC will be patient as redesigned arm map oppressed. Jeff Show the other thing that happens. Week is thirteen point. Six D come out as we. Reported last week, that was the GM release nights, and indeed apple news plus was taller that. I would have used my apple posh trout to test out some pretty interested in it unfortunately issue as. which is kind of e can't be trusted with the news. What would you do? Listen to American reading I just be. Saying. We have ended the language. They should. Laugh I put news has. Many geographic limits as lows, people into loved every time I talk about avenues product because he's Austrailia Canada US and UK most. The world is still. Can't even use the news, right? Plus. is a disappointment to, but even for news plus audio. They said they're going to do about. Twenty shows a weeks twenty stories. A week will be recorded for audio listening. They just nice features so like if you start reading a story. You're is like on your phone, and then you get in your car. You can play. You can continue reading the story using the Audio version from the sentence you start reading, so listen integrations there and stuff and I try it, but geographic restrictions a dumb. The feature that apple did recently where you can read part of story in Apple News in general, not even the plus stuff, and then it sinks to your other devices, so in this case I fought back phone I was I was kind of just testing out a space, explored and apple news 'cause after like a month, it was finally approved. It looks really cool and. I was just like okay. Here's halfway on an article and I was like looking at the map. Who is the executive place which is like a very specific spot in the articles to work as well? The haven't tried yet. I've subscribe to the podcast. Haven't listened yet. Because this is all brand new but I'm I'm excited about the podcast because it's just one more place to kind of daily briefing. From a variety of sources through apple you just won't learn. Apple's account was hacked for twitter. They'll be that sort of you know. You know filter the new stuff. I'm going to try it out, but you know to nose a month. The news the news plus For me, You know it's. A version of it that I would purchase, but right now it's t limited gems of the source isn't. That I'd like to read in Los Identity prepping for like the big content under and then a lot more people definitely being joined the. Stuff the the free APP news today podcast is hosted by Shimizu Duarte Joe Dino Dad from radio like NPR Apple Hide Professional Brooke houses that basically did day. New shows are the places now that doing for you, we turn them down for for you for listeners we didn't want to. Lose. Yeah I'm. Tim couldn't find me up. I listened to the first episode. It sounded great good quality. interesting stories, and it's not being advertised outside of the US if you find the link, you can subscribe to it. Wherever you are in completely free so I recommend it just a nice daily update briefing. It comes even put it in over in other potatoes, no exclusive. This just happened today Nice Nice edition, and oversee you. Get through the APP if you're in the US. And then finally. Just a quick update on TV plus stuff cy. Greyhound came out last week. I wish you the weekend. I enjoyed it I wouldn't say it's the best movie of all time. It was perfectly fine. I actually Kinda preferred the banker like the other apple original film that we've seen right The Greyhound is great, and there's a good movie. Yeah, Greyhound was fine and couldn't deadline. It set few shit records four Apple TV, plus they could it commensurate with a theatrical big big budget box office hit so wherever that. GREYHOUNDS FIT in the bill. Clearly APP was happy with it like I'm pretty sure the sources that aren't Cohen. applesauce talking off the record because they don't want to talk about numbers publicly, but the deadline keeps seems to have reports like defending Jacob was a breakout for Apple TV plaza now greyhounds a breakout prepatory plus. The indirect channel. Seems fine Do you think it's interesting that like I think we're GONNA. See more film acquisitions during this time frame apple with I. Don't normally because the pandemics withholding production right like there was a panel discussion. The opera posted on their apple TV YouTube channel which was with the morning show cost and the producer I said at the end that they only managed to finish hall of the first episode before they shut down so that season two is definitely in the future like an just this week. They actually announce that requiring palm, which is a film starring Justin Timberlake and that's. I believe the principal photographer that happened way back in November so that. If is in post production base at this point, so it should actually be coming out soon and we've also seen him acquire. Show some Israel for as well like Iran and losing out this, so I think these are things that apple might not necessarily bore. If they had the freedom to be producing, they won't but given the lockdown situation. Pandemic restrictions Elstein to ease. Clearly decalogue rose her badly by this. Seven produce, am not. Shamlan said that season. Two of that will be filming this four. They even have a cup. Even have account for it, but yeah like. There about halfway through the second season so again I think originally apple was planning to have like that big big shows morning show see seven be ready for the full, and that's just not going to happen, and so they're trying to rustle up these content like Ryan Greyhound like in this Justin Timberlake film like. Is Ready stuff and I think we're probably end up seeing them. Do some sort of like. Extension of the free trial just to like even without the pandemic, they probably are going to extend the free trial anyway, just because the TV plus content libraries big enough to survive in. The pandemic almost gives them an ice. Marketing reason like you know the season to the monetary isn't ready yet, so we're giving you an extra six months, so we're giving you. We're giving you one more year round or Only still be limited to hardware. Let you renew your for year. Because right now. If you buy two pieces of hardware, you get one for you. I could see them doing when November comes around. If you buy another piece of hardware, you get another free just to keep the you know. The bull running over and TV plus while the library expands so yeah, you get to pick charger or these boxes. That's definitely gonNA happen. I I actually so people suggest that like on twitter and stuff could people who? People get in the head. The apple was just going to remove these accessories. It'd be done right like people. Maybe there's still some free services instead of I think apple wants to belittle it services to be like the equivalent of a charge. Do you know what I mean like at? This sounds horrible. Oh, TV premium, TV plus surveys including Lee Massey celebrities in these big name Steven. Spielberg bag and all this stuff. Oh, yeah, that's about the same value is a charger. So do you want to child you? Online branding is just terrible, so that's never gonNA happen, but just to just do. R- about some people actually saw tweeting about that. And we saw for all mankind's isn't kind pop up a little bit too right from astronaut Jerry Reese when he posted a photo. I, think of his son and An and what appears to be Johnson Space Center, but it's, but it's not. It's it's. It's an la I believe so. I'm looking. I'm looking forward to that as you can imagine and. That thing I hope to have, we can talk to him again about prominent conscious and tear because he he tease it out so. All Right What's what's the peacock? Yeah, just a quick thing to wrap up the Pecos Jimmy Service is loss of the big screen debut. A as a free option, which is common is refreshing for people that don't want have monthly challenges it look at. These surveys that gets the office when it leaves Netflix's into this year at least by. His ad-supported there is a to pay tears. One still offers ads, but gives you more content than a high base. There's no to at, but you have to pay more for it, or you can just have the free to shelters, no decent range of content, but you have to suffer through advertising just like a traditional TV network What is kind of funny about this those that now, the apple TV's easily come out like the opportunity set top box is easily come as the front runner for the most compatible streaming device because. Amazon fire and Roku a still. We're having bows over their terms for. Pico and HBO Max so both the to massive like streaming services still having. Battles over terms because Roku wants to share advertising revenue Amazon is kind of forcing them to be prime channels whereas was like. If you give us fifteen two types of your subscription, we'll let you in, so they seem like further talk about like the APP extra minimalistic predatory. Peacock, an HBO. So because I was like. Yeah, we don't care about the TV channel HBO. There's always you give the subscription share. We'll let you in have a nice time and so here like the vs fall out now is like the most compatible device and I think we'll probably see law. People switch over because people stuck on Reiko and I'm. Frustrated them engaged Max and now the W frustrated the concrete peacock, either and I believe on Roku devices the HBO Go. APP is set to. The deal for that and set to expire the end of July, so if they don't if Roku and HBO don't get along by in July, they let you won't be a white HBO on Roku Anymore, so it's a big. It's a big combination of things and the TV's just sitting there like yes. I'm really expensive, but we spoke Kim. Just kind of a funny state and maybe. Yeah, and we still expect that it'd be a revision to the Apple TV I think. Well I think more. Eventually to and and isn't the youtube situation improving the four K. Youtube situation direct. Yeah, so when TV has fourteen comes out the apple. TV Four K. will support for Eugene finally as well so that was the last. Take off the list to that, too. Yeah, cool APP apple TVs in a better place. I've done the thing where you go on fourteen and fourteen where you go and you. Just have one of the four categories or any combination of to be your screensaver and so. I'm just doing space right now and I'm so glad that's a feature that's like my favorite team is fourteen with a lot of competition so. Yeah. About ten minutes. True. Yeah cool. I want to go through the Chattan answer. Somebody's questions today on Youtube before that we mentioned our our friend love to dream, which is the twitter account that tweets critically and sometimes You know fortune telling and. They said it out. A E is all caps A. E. Dot A. W. R. I. did any guess what that is? Eight dot eight W. are in I. Write about I W. Think Apple Watch that. Don't know sure Okay IRA. I refer to them and said because a e, a. w. r. and I I said Airport Express Dot. Apple will reenter networking industry. If. It's the bill so I got. I got a clock back on that, so it's confirmed now. Let's take questions here. Sigmund ask if. My kind of focus. In the MAC now, what will happen to watch time in the answer is I've kind of been like shopping around looking for a new host nothing confirmed yet probably will just Kinda put on the shelf for a little while and. Come back to it later. I'm doing space time. Which is so fun. To have that connection with Willams base time. And and so I'll doing the opposite of what later this month and kind of give a status update on that. Um Zamira. Honest, do you think is trying to get into the Gaming Industry Obviously they already kind of are in the mobile industry, despite the fact that they run in the most perhaps during the world, but. I definitely think we're going to see them. Trying double down on being like appropriate console equivalent like they're not going to offer the graphical fidelity of playstation or xbox series x, but I think they can offer like. A serious competitive like the future of the nintendo console that people that would buy. Switch with something might now be considered an apple TV in the future. When they give a graphics boost, they start getting bigger franchises on apple. Okay, that kind of thing I think apple okay gives them away to fund like rich DEEPA Games would actually make it more competitive of see. We did. Hear from the Bloomberg rumor about like. That fuck similar one light you know games like puzzle games levels, which is disappointing, but From everything we head outside of that, it does seem that kind of in that direction trying to get like some really powerful graphics holiday into a few trap. Not that can make it. A big deal posse invest more into the game controller framework with I was fourteen TV's fourteen, and so and there rumblings that making their own gain control the next year so I definitely think the heading in that direction up Lockheed gives them. A big motivation to do them. Each gums ask if it do you think the APP Watch series? Six will have an NBA. A Bilton Apple Calorie. Or water, color and watery, leading up no evidence that it. Will I think they I think they kind of think it'd be cool, but I think the kind of on others do that and if the the best ones to look at our. Calorie C., A. L. O. R. Y. for like strictly inputting calorie the number of calories that you're logging you can add favorite foods and stuff like that, too, and Works Siri but calorie and then water minder is like the go-to. I think it's the same developers even. And I think that calories like either has or will have water and degration too, so you can have it all in one APP happened. That's the APP is designed using you know kind of like apple style of a built an APP so it's the closest thing I. Don't think that apple is going to do like we would. We would see that with watch your seven, not just with Syria six hardware. Because I'd just be kind of an APP situation. Nicholas more asks. Do you think uproar resigned? The Apple Khadr Update Year? They let the rest of their product lines I think we've seen probably the major ED. Development for the Apricot, the year with the addition of the monthly payments programs across apple's entire West Lines, and you can buy an iphone now my payments, you could buy mcelrath payment. She can buy nine ipad rap. Rap which anything at plus we sue them at lunch. The Web Portal Frappuccino. The leading complaint that for that service is the people one way to actually be able to pay their bill and download transactions. That doesn't involve using the phone so now you can get called applegate Coleman. Do it there, and that even added some form of Minton degration in the last couple of weeks to so a lot of the big. Feature requests stuff from the original. Don't you have a cod have been addressed now? We see more not because this year. I guess probably no, but. I think that's like a yearly update right because he's by just a year and change on when it launched like the apricot launched in August las a year later, they've added. Various features, so I think definitely Cairo nature writing on it. Yeah and they're at the. They're the like they release updates to it when their once save a bunch up in. put it out there so that that's good for a service like this I think the biggest change. That like showed how aggressive they are about wanting to capture costumers is that people apply and are declined then they have this proactive steps to the path to apple corn. which is a balance of we want more customers for Apple Cart, and also like here's how to improve your financial health situation, so it's pretty cool And then finally one more. This is from Mike. Thornton born back youtuber that was making the leap into Mac eleven was going to start layering ar to the platform. Do you think that's realistic is telegraphing release of Apple Glass with this fall? I don't think anything with this fall. I'm not sure what what that Mac. Os Eleven, th I think he will try to read into the resign too much. I think it's just a a fresher designed. Yeah, like I've seen a lot of. People like his depth so i. Ran. The. MAC ON CATALINA? You know that's why I can't look like that it's. Just, advance from the base of the colleen icons I, it's. It's just a redesign. I wouldn't associate with any other apple products. The glasses are. Probably GONNA be announced next year and come out in probably the year after that and I doubt the US will look anything like Marcus. It'll be. It'll be more like the watch you. I projected, and like even even thinner than the watch you I even louder than the watch you. I the translucent see will actually be like he's won't be anything there, because as part of its heads up display. But as I mentioned earlier I'm excited about apple class now that I'm kind of thinking of different different applications for it ways to use it so. Yeah cool. Thanks for taking the time to answer some questions with male. That was fun. And I've been promising that for. Do again. Chance to yet, Sir! Yeah totally all right is the happy our podcast. Thanks again to our sponsors RECON. And Sun Basket Please sponsors that helps us do the podcast and we really appreciate that means a lot to is, and you can check out my new podcast space time. 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E267 Erotic Energy with Sheila Kelley

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E267 Erotic Energy with Sheila Kelley

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She's getting back on sunday. Come back when he what. We have a really great and hopefully inspiring episode for for all the listeners out there the delightful wonderful sheila. Kelly is with us today To talk about well first and foremost her documentary. That's available on net net flix ship down rise up. We talk a lot about essentially what a sexual actuality Obviously focused on women's sexuality But we get into a nice karate. Energy roddick autonomy. What does it mean to you know our erotic self. Both men and women seems to be a big disconnect out there you know there's always like love languages and grams and how you partner up astrology and yet even design and design and we talk about kind of knowing who we are radically and how that's important now midnight a ton of fun talking one of those conversations where you feel like you could just talk to three or four hours but it was still pretty long but jam packed with a delightful so i hope you guys it. All all enjoyed it Don't forget we have some fun merch out there So check us out. Vile falls dot com. Follow on tiktok and instagram. Do all that fun stuff. Go back and check out our ethnic episode this week because while some great stuff there. Quick reminder grab so next week molly. Sims is with us the wonderful delightful molly sims and i guess we probably got bashar rat a corner. That'll be fun can't wait. It'll be great a lot of drama. I'm sure to unfold and yeah thanks for just listening guys. Tweet start by discussing the ten possible options. Yeah the ten erotic creature icons where did this come from is came from teaching s factor for twenty years and watching women's movements and watching how women would They would fall into one ten different iconic erotic energies in the shape of their body and the way they danced in the music. They chose the clothes that they wore They would develop this erotic creature and it was. It turned out to be very close to who they would call in in love. And how the partners. Yeah yeah. what are the ton this five dark and five light and they're based in like core body emotions so the dark is the deep soulful siren which you're familiar with. Apparently i am yeah. This is the shy reluctant and iguana shy. Reluctant the ninguna. Yeah there's the dangerous challenger while they're dangerous. There's thiry dangerous in a good way. Dangerous sex dangerous sexuality ca like. Do you know what i mean like there. There's volatility to their lovemaking like they leave scratches. Maybe i have no judgment. No this is a full no judgment. And there's the naughty provocateur. He and she like Kinky your sexier crazier dangerous. Think go out there outside. The box. Like to provoke mika. And then there's the is king in queen and they are just kind of haughty cold cool. You got melt them to work hard to melt the two of them or do have to work hard to allow themselves to be melt. Well you know that's incredibly wise of you. Yes or they don't or they're lonely and they don't find anybody to heat them up. They like hotter energy. So ice king is queen together. They do not work. they don't work well. We don't talk at dinner. Those couple of restaurants there like table like eighteen foot. People hate each other but they're rich amanda pleaser. She's there. I'm blissful pleaser to what okay. So the light icons a blissful pleaser and she is like all mother earth than she's nurturing and she's loving and shall cook for you and she'll and she loves to be nurtured and loved as well and so there's also the blissful provider which is the masculine version. There's the lustful lover in that. They are just pure pleasure. Pure hedonistic erotic pleasure of natalie. Take this quiz. This your your girlfriend. oh please do. And then there's the Joyful playmate and that is a sexual energy and erotic energy that just wants to have fun and play and just bounce off each other. And then there's the innocent teaser. And that is that's like a newness sexuality. Like eddie come at everything with like an open. I'd like. oh let's do that again. I've never kissed before and then like five minutes later. Let's kiss again. I've never done that before. So they bring a fresh newness to eroticism like every single time that they engage think marilyn monroe doing and then you have the champion energy which is like a deep grounded kind of really centered energy of erotic energy. Like they're just like pure like think. Think like i want to say the rock despite pure mountain energy yeah. Kajokoto is between champion dangerous challenger. Because he's pissed he's got her and he's he's so into him because he's like sexy hot like he wants to kill you but he really wants to kill you and love. I wanted like he wants to decimate. That's good that's good so brock obama is like a champion central energy. Right because there's a he has between list will provider and japanese. A little bit aloof. I feel lou. Icy not not how i don't know i feel. He's so warm. Had thinking might be more like half provider half champion he's got that selfless the champion sexual energies really selfless like i would provide everything you need. And i will find my needs. Filled by your needs banfield. That's hot young cart it but it's always interesting. How how they balance each other out sam immediately thinking about like now we know ourselves but like who are we dating and our attracted to them and if you are someone like the champion where you get your joy effort after a giving and providing. Is there a limit to that. At what point do you lose yourself in focusing on others and not focusing yourself enough but what happens if you're not with someone who who receives that in a way that you want them to hear with an ice queen sure. Yeah then it sounds. Like i don't need you. Yeah that's that's that's relationships. Go work i think. Champion and champion. Women work really well together like that. Infinity sign like they give and take can give and take equally but like for example. You talked about my husband. My husband and i my s- my erotic energy is a dangerous challenger. Oh you're dangerous challenger well in my arabic world. Yeah and he's he's more of a I'd say he has champion energy in his erotic would and his erotic is this. Is this all specific to the bedroom specific to like every day life. I think everything that happens in the body is like the stone that goes into the pond. In ripples out to every part of your life. I really do. I really do so i think it it starts in your body eroticism and how your body wants to be loved or give love give lust take lust and then it just ripples into every relationship and you can even look at people you can start to say. Oh yeah that. Like i like. You said the forest right the dark forest and immediately it was like He's got depth. He's interested in depth in probably many facets of your life not just a radically right. And i would guess that your girlfriend. I don't know her but she might have some shire reluctant by energy. I ran off the top with me. It sounds like sure may be sh. She can be shy reluctant. But you know underneath at all yet sire. Reluctant energy loves deep. Soulful siren energy. 'cause the deep soulful siren is going to penetrate deeper deeper. Deeper deeper deeper. Always going deep link in and the charlotte. 'nigma is just dying for that. Sometimes when i go real deep. She rolled her eyes at me. She was like really. You're still talking. So you get into all this by the way sheila kelley. that's me. Welcome to the mouth files not leaving. Love it here but yeah. How did you get into this. I i saw an interview we talked about. You did a movie role that you played a stripper. And then she started pole. Dancing and that snowballed into really a kind of a whole lifestyle and become a huge passion of yours is answer. Obviously the movie role. But what made you connect with the rawal and allow you to find something you know a deeper meaning as opposed to like. Oh that was like you know. Actors do a lot of different things depending on the character play. Maybe learn how to horseback ride and say oh. That was cool. I not a horseback ride. But you know it really changed your life. Is that fair to say in terms of how you approach it. And what was it about that moment. That allowed you to to take playing that role and then find kind of all these benefits and then do what you're doing now. In terms of using pole dancing is a way to allow so many women to really reconnect with who they are and really empower them. I think you just nailed it right there. The reason why you're right. I've done a gazillion roles. I've played different characters. That do different things. But this thing affected me in such a profound way personally because What you just said. I really started to see who i really am as erotic creature. I thought i was really keen on who i was. I thought i was a sexy person. I thought that. I had control over my body but when i started to work on. That film was an improvisational film. And i realized i had no idea how to inhabit my erotic body in front of people. That wasn't just in the dark. The bedroom right and the discovery. Over the four months of this ob- improvisational film and developing this character was really digging deep inside and finding a side of myself in my body and embodying my body in a way that i never had before they gave me incredible confidence and then understanding who i was on a creature made me understand the relationship with my husband and my relationship with my husband was not at a great place at that time and so discovering all this about myself elevated our relationship. 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We spend a lot of time on the show like you're watching the documentary ab- stripped-down rise up on net flicks by the way if you haven't watched just pause and watch it. So many things are covered that we talk about like You know taking your power back. you know finding thing especially in relationships finding your own individual passions and still not losing yourself in relationship and it was really kind of fascinating to see you guys covered all and your relationship. We talk a lot and it's one thing we talked so much about. We get a lot of questions is married couples right. It's mostly women. Listen to this podcast. But they will ask you know. I've been with my partner or my husband ten fifteen years five years. Whatever the time period is and we've lost the spark or how do we get the spark back my my husband and i we have sex. You know twice so a month or whatever it is and that's a tough question debt answer on an individual basis but it sounds like a lot of it has to do with. Maybe there's a lot of in relationships and they'll you know. Will people get married at a younger age. Or and they don't really maybe know who they are or they haven't or they've lost themselves relationship. Is that something that what you spoke to in terms of really kind of tapping and taking a step back. Even though you're already in this like at what point. How long are you married to your husband when you kind of identified this that you wanted to take a step back and get to know yourself and have it beneficial relationship. We were together probably ten years fifteen years so we had we. Didn't we the beginning of our relationship. We have incredible chemistry. And that's what kept us together as a volatile sexual chemistry. But my mo- my sense of like he who he was and how he was radically and in every day was like i didn't understand i didn't understand he has. I mean you know him. He played toby in the west wing. He's on the good doctor. He has a has a lot of dark energy down like a very intimidating presence. On i maybe it was into it was like really. Enjoy watching him but yeah he does intense and he's dark and he has a lot of kind of steamy pissy pissed off energy that you can just feel. And why am i with this guy. Why am i with. This guy is so dark. I should be with somebody really light like me and what this journey was able to show me as girl. You've got dark energy just as dark as his an dark energy is why you're so attracted to each other. And so i feel like you talk about couples that lose the spark. They have kids they have life. They go into some time together. And all of a sudden they've lost what i call a polanski the sexual polarity which is that energy. That masculine feminine positive negative north-south energy that creates that incredible attraction. If you think about magnetic energy think about electrical energy think about sexual energy. You've gotta have that if you have too much sameness if you become like roommates if you're come you know like family brother sister you lose the sexual polarity and once you do that. It just kind of flat lines. But i i truly am passionate about helping women and men recreate that polarity. Because you you can. I don't care if you've been together. Forty years five years five months. You can't fix polarity you can create polarity and the number one thing is finding out who you are in your body as an erotic being. If you don't know who you are. How do you know what your lover is. How do you know what to bring to the to the party of love right sexuality. How was your husband at first. When you discovered this in terms of accepting this exploration you did within yourself. 'cause i wonder especially part the dock. Was this almost fear of their partner of will he accept me. Will he be open to this. Change will even be okay. That i'm taking a pole dancing class etc etc the judgment. That might come with. Like how is he specifically. And what would you say to the women listening. Who don't shockingly. Even though it's their husband don't even feel comfortable to like talk about this. Hey i want to know like almost did it sound to. You hippy hippy. Gb or whatever you know personal growth. Let's dance on holy. Get to know ourselves again. How about let's jazz on a pole and free our sexual desire or how about danna and free my roddick creature. You know because. I agree with you people can they. Don't it's how do you put the two together. Look it's a whole revolution in our whole world. It's a cultural revolution of coming from being stuck up here in our masculine. Mind coming back into the body right and we were all living. You know from our armpits up with those with our little phones are little computers a little tablets and so we've lost our body and we've lost the we can't even understand how our body wants to come into a relationship radically or sexually with see images we see pornography we see Romance novels we see stuff outside of ourselves we think. Oh maybe that's how i wanna be loved or maybe that's what i find erotic but actually your body is got all the answers. So i'm just a real body advocate. And so i feel like It can feel like oh. This is all so bizarre. But it's it blew my mind. What happened in my life was so radical. The transformation was so intense that i just started to share it with people and the they shared it with people and it grew grassroots. Right than oprah came and had us into this. i'm in la- is what. I'm doing exactly look what happened to me. This is what happened to me. When i woke up to my roddick body it can happen to you and it did happen for thousands of women and at this point i've taught hundreds of thousands of women and it just seems to light women back up because you think about think about the world. We live in thinking about the documentary. Women are told from the time they are itty-bitty to stop touching. That don't do this. Don't do that keep those crossed. Don't do this. Don't wear that to the point where we are so terrified of what our bodies are saying to you and to the world that which is we start to clench and we shrink ourselves to be smaller and smaller and smaller. So that we don't upset the status quo so that we don't upset the patriarchal value right the value system and so when you actually step back into the volatile sexuality of the feminine body. Watch out because you're gonna turn into the sexual erotic icon of yourself. You're just you're it's like a women have such incredible sexual energy that has been shut down so when you free it it's like you're just unleashing now most magnificent erotic energy how much resistance of you felt from the outside world all along the way because you know especially as we get a lot of people listening to podcast. Who are very common story. Come from a very traditional religious background conservative. my. I'm i'm like that myself and you know that's why we just kind of have this kind of no judgment mentality on this show And they're you know. Religion can be very great but it has done damage in people's lives what s undamaged religion can shame of it all like the judgment or And even hearing you talk is kind of empower empowerment combined with sex and feminity. I think a lot of people can find it intimidating or you see it on the internet right and you know now that my you know my girlfriend and i are more public now. And she's posting on instagram. Her her women audience has gone up before it was more like men following her and she's a beautiful woman and she's proud of her body an shields post pictures in a bikini sometimes and sometimes it get real real harsh judgmental world out there and How can women not let that get to them and not let that like they're kind of it. You know confidence in their who. They are and their bodies in their sexual energy and without the shame of traditional kind of conservative values. His great question. And it's so funny. Because i was brought up roman catholic and a lot of women at the s. factor community are very religious christian or jewish or This even moslem students. But you have to reframe what religion is for your body in include your body in religion to me. i mean especially. I'm not. I'm not saying hey get erotic and go sleep with everybody. I'm saying get erotic for your own life in your own pleasure and your own. If you have a significant other partner and bring that into i believe sexuality is one of the most spiritual experiences on the planet. I believe coming together with somebody in consciousness and in love through your body can be like touching god. No and i feel like if you would have you believe in god. The universe allah whatever. This body was created for pleasure. These bodies right. That's why the bodies have so many nerve endings and erogenous zones in different ways of feeling pleasure and what a sad thing to go through your life and not live in this body to its fullest potential. That was god given so reframe it. In that way you know is it's about living to the fullest potential. You're capable of. It's about laughing as broadly as you can. It's about feeling as much pleasure as you can. It's about feeling much love as you can. Connections you can And then you'll have lived a well. Your body will have been well used in life. 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Their pleasure was more focus on what pleasures you. What makes you happy. And then whoever into that allow them to maybe enjoyed if you want to but like sweet especially women and i think men suffer a little bit too much sometimes to is that all the pleasure. They think there should be having should be focused on whether they're accepted by the partner. Like what are you like. Oh what are you okay. did you finish. Did you come did you. Okay don't worry about me. I'm like as long as you're happy here. Meanwhile it's way well what about you and think it's it's amazing. How many. I think more women than men. aren't even focused on like if they climax door if they're getting any enjoyment out of it whatsoever so many women don't even climaxing. Don't even know how to climax in lovemaking session with a partner. I mean that's a statistic that is painful because our bodies are so shut down from such an early age where the minute you wake your body up and if you do it through any feminine movement practice but i use. Snl s thatcher's feminine movement practice. You don't have to use a poll. You can just do the floor work and just warm up your body and move your body. Undulate your body and that isn't erotic energy right and to me. What you're saying is so true and the fact that That women have been okay living like this and what the documentary shows. Were getting to a tipping point where where women are just boiling over. They don't wanna live in misery. They don't wanna live in shutdown. They don't wanna live without polarity and turn on but a woman when she wakes up to the fact that she is responsible for her own coming. She is responsible for her own. Turn on. it's not his or her partner's job that changes this whole scenario. It changes the whole thing because it makes her feel like she knows herself and doesn't have to depend on someone else for her own pleasure in our own happiness and that's hugh at really ripples out right it kind of makes you a free agent free agent and it's like you. We wouldn't have a podcast. We get on. We do an episode where people will call an escalation questions and it wouldn't exist if everyone understood that press because it's some it's so much of luck what can i do to make them. Okay what can like it. There's very little thinking about their own needs. And that's not just sexual. It's just about their own happiness day to day life. They're work their passions in career. And it's just like if you took a moment and prioritized the things that you want and live and then you were as like if anyone wants this. I'm great or if you don't also fine would just make you so much more free because you you were running around life being like are you. Okay with this are you. Are you know you're not like what can i do. And then you're being pulled in all different directions like it's a it's a like a political campaign which is tough. It's like you can't get everyone to like you you he's gonna find the one now but you're really wise Because absolutely right. I mean it's it's like when you are self satisfied when you are when you know yourself so well especially your body. Because that's where i come from everything emanates from the body when you are so keen on exactly how you wanna be kissed exactly how you want to be touched where you want to be touched. How you want to be touched. How you want to be loved and you feel so full. You can't help but wanna give you can't help but wanna serve when you feel full but i have met so many people neck so many women mostly women who walked through the world empty needy needy needy needy needy and thinking that their partners gonna fill that need and not that. I don't wanna be alone. I don't want you to go golfing. I don't want you to do this. I don't want you to that. Be with may be with me. Be with me. Go shopping with me. Go do this with me. And it gets to the point where their partners are just at a loss like i. I can't give anymore. I had to take care me if there's one thing that the masculine and when i talk about masculine feminine i'm not talking about gender. I'm not talking about biological sex. I'm actually talking about whether you identify more masculine and feminine energy to define who you are as a human being right but the more masculine energies. You know they've learned. There's there's a self sustaining energy that they've learned they learned to take care of themselves. I've noticed and the feminine. Who wants to please more masculine. The more masculine seems to be much more autonomous. It might be the world. We live in might be just innate masculine energy but the feminine energy feels to me that it's always wanting to please always serving an acquiescent and When you get to the point where where the where. Women and feminine energy is able to be self sustaining autonomous and then you've got to equal energies in a relationship it's so volatile. It's i said were volatile but that might not be people might not understand me and it's just it's explosive sexuality it's explicit so if you are in a relationship that you've been in for thirty years twenty years ten years and you feel that it's kind of like got dormant sexually is kind of gotten boring like you said they have sex once or twice a month once a year. You can pull yourself back into yourself. Learn about how to turn yourself on and they bring that back into your relationship to actually increase that spark you know talk feminine. And or women in this like the stereotype. Or maybe it's because it's just more prevalent of wanting to please forgive the nurturing energy but like and it seems like people will confuse that nurturing energy with like again just forgetting what they need or nurturing themselves or like why you know it's like they maybe that's why it's so common but it seems like it. Do you believe both can be possible. You can be of interest her and giving all not forgetting the things you need which that seems to be. What happens most often if this i want to be a caretaker i wanna take care of my partner and take care of my kids. Whoever it is and then swung day. You wake up. You're like a miserable. Yeah yeah and i'm empty. And i feel depleted and tired and depressed so now and again. I ended up and i ended up presence. I'm gonna go see shrink and had to try and and you start to try and use. You've gotten so conditioned to look outside yourself for fulfilment you know you you. You don't know that if you just turn around and look inside and you look at the wonder that is the feminine body. The woman's body you look at the brilliance. I often say to women you are number one year. The top of the cup on that champagne fan cup thing. And if you are empty you'll be giving from emptiness but if you fill yourself out first and it's called the infinity i can give to. You have to give to me to get full. It's this infinity energy. Like we have some blissful pleasers in the audience over here A man is blissful pleaser so a blissful pleasers run the risk of giving giving giving until the depleted with the blissful pleaser needs to learn. I'm looking at both is is that i can only give out what i have inside so i have to fill up first and then i give from that full cup and so yeah. I think kind of analogy. It's like one of those like water phones. Exactly it's coming from. It's it's recycling the water. It's not like it's his pulling from nothing. That's exactly right you know. So it's it's intaking the water in the pool that site for also filling up the pool. That's right that's right. And then i can then i can nurture from that from that place and and women do have a strong nurture bent are the feminine does right so the one thing women have never been taught or given permission to even do is to spend time filling their own cup. I finding out how they wanna be loved finding out how they want to be touched moving in an erotic way turning themselves back on if they took all the energy that they use that we use to shut ourselves down. I mean when. I said earlier that women have been taught and trained from early childhood to get smaller and smaller and smaller. Like this right. Look at my body. You know how much energy it takes to keep myself the small. It takes a lot of energy now. What if i release that energy. And then i find my own erotic energy inside my body all my god you are like you're creating ten times the energy you had that you had been living with till live in the future right so i've been living real small little and i'm used an i explode out of myself and i feel i find my full body expression. I find my pleasure. I find my sexuality. I find erotic creature and i turned on my god. Nothing can stop you for. You can't stop you in a relationship can't stop you at work. Everything that you've ever wanted will come to you. For how can young women apply this mindset because it seems like specifically the dock it. Was you know women coming to you. Or seeking this out after. They've experienced some life for some trauma or Unhappy relationships or etc etc but if we can instill this type of mentality. There's kind of this teaching to the young men and women to prioritize this and get to know themselves i know easier said than done but what would be some ways to try to change that. I think he starts so early. And you start really early with Teaching young girls even about their body. My little girl was three years old when one day. She had a big pasta dinner. And i put her to bed or laying in bed and her belly was kinda protruding and she's like mommy. I'm so fat. I'm not gonna eat anything tomorrow. And as like oh alarm bells. And i was like i did a self touch exercise with her and we touched all these different parts or body and we talked about what that part of the body does and then she'd kiss her part of the body. She kissed her knee and she kiss her ankle and she gives her arms and she kissed her her whichever she could reach right and she'd love up on her belly in lubbock on her chest and that became a ritual that we did because i could see her being pulled into the really horrifying whirlpool of self hate. That women go through in their bodies. If i it's rampant it's so bad. Women are so brutal to their own being in their own body but they didn't start out that way. They learned that from somewhere. They learned that from the culture. Or from matic mit media magazines. And so i think it starts super early. Getting young girls to feel powerful in their bodies teaching them strong stances teaching them about the different emotional energy in their body and how brilliant their body is. Your there's so many tools that i've learned your other feminine embodiment. People have learned about the body that needs to be given to younger all so that they don't get sucked into that self hatred gerbil wheel. Yeah it's Because it's interesting because You know we are all we project all our crap mondo like literally everyone else in the world. And then you'll see even some defensive man be like well it's you know women are more meet other women and and whatever and like sure but like we we all do it. Rhonda's projecting our own bullshit. You know we very off very rarely like look in the mirror and just be like why. Why i criticize your. Why am i comment on this post for. Why am i assuming something. Negative rather than the suming. Something positive you know for example like my my girlfriend will post a picture in a bathing suit and both men and women equally will start deciding whether she's had plastic surgery you or why she's wearing so z. It's like it's merely fucking brutal. Yeah you're just like why don't you just say you look great and beyond your way or or say nothing at all but it's it's wild and and it i don't know why an again men and women are doing this to each other totally. It's misery loves company in mob mentality. Well if she looks that great. She's doing something false right Because i look like this. Because i sit on the couch all day and i'm not moving and that makes themselves feel better right. I don i feel like. I feel like we have such. I mean this gets into a whole of conversation but we're in a really kind of just divisive divided brutal time right now because i it being celebrity bing a celebrity being someone in the public eye nick you have a target on your back in your chest and so does your girlfriend now and you know so do do i you know and and we have to decide. How are we going to boundary ourselves to be safe in that in that milieu. So this is affecting your girlfriend. In any way whatsoever i would have her create boundaries psychic boundaries. Meaning you know blocking delete up which is good about it. Don't allow yeah but it can't help but that's what i'm saying can't help it. Eat away at. And i feel like we. Are you know. Social media is such a new landscape that we haven't learned how to create boundaries on it yet and I've had to. Because i have had a target too and i now very very clear. This is a space. My platforms are space of love at elevation and compassion and learning. And if you do not respect that block in delete blocking delete. Because i need to create a safe psychic space for myself and for people and it's it's really amazing. How little people do that and how. They allow all of these. I don't know if you wanna call them haters. Judge moore's into your psychic space to judge your body. I mean that's vulnerable and i don't care how tough girlfriend skin is back can eat away at you an and it's not just hermit is everyone does it. Even rather you're in. The public eye are not now to some degree. If you have a public social media platform it's all relative to like you can have three hundred dollars. How many people. How many of those three hundred people do you know and and knows you knows who really show all the time from this. Show all the time. And he's face my skin. Why why does nick only higher fat producers like all that stuff may. Dm's do you look at them. Do you look at that. But the conversation to be had in your documentary. What what touched me. The most was these women gas. I'm a bigger woman. Was these women who filled the shame that goes along with being a bigger woman yet and so you see on social media and you see all this stuff where it's like you're shamed into like not showing your body like you know like liz owes doing the like here here. I am right now. Like here's me here. I am putting myself naked. Yeah like someone who's bigger you. You have like the shame like trying to show something like that so it was interesting in your documentary that you were able to help these women kind of like feel like it's okay for them to be considered almost women that were pretty thousand times. It's i can't even believe you get that i would. I am so protective right now. This whole social media world. I'm so protective of people. I care about like i'm like don't ever open a dm. Just shut it down just block until you're just never meant to have this much access to other people's opinions and and that's true accesses the word because you have to earn access to people and people are just feeling like they have access to us does not right. That was such a beautiful share. What you don't want it to go by without percival thanking you for sharing. That's vulnerable at us. Set into at about your own body view of beautiful endo morphing body and what people don't understand is the different kinds and shapes of bodies and becoming coming to peace with who you are in your body is one of the most important things you can ever attain and I know that there was a period of time where the endo morphing body was worshipped. Right and in mauretania. Mckay thank you. So there's an endo more fit body and messo morphing body an echo morphou body and these are the different body shapes that we are going to our dna dictate. We grow into right. We're an endo. Morphing is founder body. That has more curve and more more fat tissue. A messa more fake has more muscle tissue. An echo morphing has more neural tissue and so each of these body types have had its reign of popularity as soon as i cons right the venus of villain dorf if you know that it's at ancient Figuring of that kind of robust and full-bodied woman. Do you know that what i'm talking about. Eliza was an amorphous in country called mara tanya. it's i think it's an african country Women have more body. more mass. More fat are considered more attractive and more more more sexually provocative than thinner women. So there's different cultures that that appreciate different kind of body types right now. We live in a in a time that loves the victim. Or if you know the tall skinny the tumors are very long boned and really thin and tall and small heads Think of any supermodel was pyan. Act morph and a mess amorphous. More athletic and muscular any athlete you can think of any female athlete would be an an a mess so coming to peace. Part of my passion is helping women come to peace with with their body and who their body is and was meant to be. They have no control over. Whether you're going to be an end more for an actor morph an and understanding that. Oh i'm an endo morphing body. I'm supposed to have this curvy shape. I'm not supposed to look like a stick is so there's a shift at all risk in past ten years. It's a shift. That's kinda like see. Look i'm an endo morph. But i have this tiny ways that i had you know. Sure you know. So when we think about i think liz oh is doing more for more than anybody. His end amorphous. Is you know. Just robust fleshy. This beautiful it's not just like i have that twenty six inch waist. That kim kardashian has it's like no. I have a a wide girth here. And that's that's that's natural to my body and it's beautiful. It's sexy so i do know what you're saying. But i do think that we are moving in that direction of pushing more acceptance in normalizing different body types. But i do still think there. Is this impossible standard. That i'm watching my twenty year old daughter trying achieve and it is it is brutal and these girls are still cutting and they're still bulimic and they're still anorexic and they're still trying to look like kim kardashian who i don't know how she gets her ways to you know that's gorgeous but please that's not that does not look like a wasted i've ever i've ever seen you know i i do. Yeah i i think there's i think it was social media in particular. I'm struck by how it feels like. I could really identify like a hierarchy of beauty. And i tell you x. I could look at any given photo and point out. Which aspects of a person conform to that hierarchy of beauty and which of those traits are desirable. I have a very clear. Sense of what is coveted us body and that might be slightly different than other people but i think there is sort of like a shared sentiment about like what traits and features are idealized and celebrated. And i think one thing. I was very curious about with like watching the document or watching. The documentary was the way you sort of help. Women get out of the self talk and into their body and curious how you think that's possible for people to do on their own because it's like there's you know there's the visceral like more intuitive body. I feel good and myself. But then there's the voice. Saying but i know all of these metrics that i could compare myself you and what is coveted in what is valued and i. Don't meet those and i'm curious like how that's possible without having another person intervening to get you out of your head to like reconnect without physical intuition. Gosh as a big question. It's so i always say to women talk to your toes. I know it sounds silly. But if i just started i said that. Did you guys wiggle your toes. Yeah are you all wiggling your toes now or did not do it again. All right and and so. If you're thinking about the pleasure in your feet and your toes. You can't be sitting here going this that so i'm on a cute funny talk to your toes but i that is all i do is all i do is get women's minds to think down under their body. Touch your leg. Tickle your leg smack your leg do you like it. Which do you like better. Do you like a spanking. do you like tickle. Do you like a strong hand. It's exploring the body and that that distracts the critical mind from well. I don't have that way. So i'm going to autocorrect that. I'm gonna autocorrect this an autocratic bat and you don't you post a picture it looks nothing like you but you feel good about it because it represents you to other people and meanwhile you go into the bathroom and you vomit up your your your lunch and your dinner hope. I'm not being too graphic. But i i work with women day in and day out. I know it women. Do i know what girls do. I know what they're doing now to their bodies to try and look like all of these icons that they love right so the fact that i'm going to go back to liz. Oh because i'm so in love with her and i'm so in love with what she's doing because she's actually saying. This is my body. I don't have a twenty six inch waist. But i'm hot sexy. Feel good my scan dance a saying. And she's like she's redefining. What sexy can be. What sexy is right and giving women permission to feel it inside sexy if you say if you allow sex you to be a word that someone can describe you as than you are. Disempowering yourself if you take sexy and you say it's mind to define how i feel inside by one of feel sexy. Then you've just taken the power back right and that entails talking to your toes touching your hair touching your body breathing deeply into your curves swirling your hips and just to me. It's the biggest. Fu to a culture that wants to give you these strict guidelines by which sexy is determined if you say screw that and that's what the poll is. That's why i took the pole and turn it into something that any woman on the planet can do is look i don't want i don't want this culture to dictate who i am. How beautiful. I am how sexy i am and how viable i am invaluable. I am. I'm going to define that and i'm gonna do it by taking the pullback by taking the six inch heels back and by taking my body back is that does that help more passionate about it. You can tell because. I've seen so much pain i've seen so many women in pain and i don't want women pain. It's women are two amazing. And and i've learned so much from from six hundred men looking at women with such love and appreciation and so to be able to get women to open up to that because you're right women can be brutal on women or mainly bruins and i think it's a culture of scarcity of feeling like if i don't look like her i won't get as much attention as she does and i feel like what it needs to be is it everybody's gonna get attention because actually true sexiness is not the twenty six inch waist. It is what you feel inside. And what you emanate out. You know when you just radiate like life force energy in you let your body dance and move and you're like liquid and fluid and full of pleasure. You're gonna get all the gazes you're gonna get a lot of attention because your living fully in your truth and in your body. I totally agree. I was de la. While watching your doc i was. The question came to me. That is a very common question out. There almost like an playful adolescent way and. That's just the stereotype that nice guys finish. Last right and a lot about your doc was about a many of these women who have been traumatized by men right and then i think many men might wash it and get defensive like well what of the good guys but like. I've had some tough luck with women as in the nice guys finish slash last you one. Do you believe that to be true Y'all to start their believe that. Nice guys. Finish last the stereotype. Nice guys finish last. I do not believe that. I actually i do not believe that i think people confuse what nice means yes right. That's pilots saying that is probably not a nice guy but like people say women will joke about that too not just not like we won't be like i like the bad boy. I like the guy can be the bad boy all. That's what i'm saying. That's bad boys are nice guys ex again. Don't write that down and it also depends on how you define bad boy or nice guy. Or because we're spending so much time talking about empower empowering and people will confuse especially a lot of the women calling in of like well i don't i don't want to be difficult. I don't wanna be bitch. I don't wanna like and i'm just like i wanna be cool. I don't. I don't want a guy to think i'm crazy. I don't wanna just like doing knowing what you want knowing. How you feel feeling sexy. Take your doesn't guys love that right. That's what i'm saying. Gel hear him falls. Love love love and it will track the right guy and you also attract a guy who is. Ideally feels the same way about himself. Conference secure knows what he wants knows what he doesn't want but when you don't know what you want you will attract sometimes a guy who thinks he knows what he wants because just a dick or puts you down and you spend so much time like pining for his love and affection right so but like to stop that we. We need to focus both men and women on knowing ourselves. Ask being confident ourselves and then attract the people we allow in their lives not pining for the attention invalidation of others. I think it works both ways. Hundred confusing like nice guy with a or or bad boy with someone who's just confident. Confidence can be intimidating. Doesn't mean dick are. It doesn't mean he's gas lights or doesn't mean he does all these like toxic things masculinity things like that and often that comes from you you can. If you're if you're in you know they'll say like you're insecure about yourself. Men or women you will attract people because predators. Yeah well pick up on your weakness. Whatever that might be and if you have a weakness and you don't know who you are men and women you will attract people. Unfortunately the will leverage that weakness to mass their own. O- hundred percent. Okay with you so we just got to focus on what we need first before were even if we are nurturer. Your annoying ourselves try to can. I just share something with you about the good guy. Bad guy bad boy. 'cause you're so dead right about this is knowing who you are and how you are so as when i was a i hate to kate so i i would categorize men when i was younger and i still am i. It still kind of works. I would categorize potential lovers as abc. or demon. or i'm dying to know the list. So the demon is used the word before the dick man. The dominant is the dominator. It's the dominator mentality and the dick man. And he thinks the world revolves around him and his penis and that's a culture that we are hopefully leaving the seaman is compromised or castrated man. Who has allowed some force in their lives to castrate their veracity. Whether it's a overbearing mother and father or if it's society a job he hates or whatever it is. He's compromised himself. That's the that's what. I think people interpret as the good guy. You don't have to be that and then there's the be man which is the boy man who doesn't want to grow up and is having a hard time taking on responsibility and stepping into his facility and his his masculinity then there's the man and i call him the the alterman at who's alter i worship. I worship the alterman. The the awakened man who is completely at peace with his ability and his masculinity can stand in it can hold his space can hold his lover. Space can is intimidated and overwhelmed by strong. Oh wild crazy. Erotic feminine energy can hold that and feels not overwhelmed seminated. You saw three amen in the film That hold that that held the space for the women who were just shattering. I is so beautiful. And i think it take to get to a man status to get to this place. You're exactly right. you gotta do. Some deep deep inner work. Who am i as masculine energy on this planet. And at and when i say a man it could be a woman as well if you're in a gay lesbian relationship of So it's it's really about. How do i find and hold my integrity in this masculine energized body. I'm in right. So i feel like an eight-man can be the baddest bad boy on the planet because he's so pleased with himself as mass only. He's not threatened by other maciel energy's not threatened by he can hold the space and protect the feminine energy around him that he wants to protect and i think you said the the cat the castrated guy is what people confuse as the the good guy or the nice guy and that he's he might be nice at times. You know you might be gentle at times. But he's got some shit he needs to work through like you'll see like maybe you might see the good looking guy from afar you walk up. And then he starts talking and immediately. He'll lose all his kind of sexual energy because he's always he doesn't know he's figuring him he doesn't know what he wants and he's confused in his in security is kind of radiate and makes a lot of sense here that's why he's not sought after because he's nice. It's because las tres. He's guys say. Get your balls back right. He's lost his. I don't want to be crass about it. But he's lost his sense of who who he is as a man. I do get fresh. I'll see guys on the internet. The light of this. I try to be nice but that doesn't seem to work and it's just like not to right. There is the way you said it as a compromised man who he wants to be nice he wants to fit into the whole model of what's happening in the world and he wants to be respectful and at at at at at which he can be. Just don't compromise yourself as a man. Don't compromise your own sense of masculinity your own sense of groundedness your own sense of power your strength your physical strength your emotional strength your all of these elements that that can really make four a powerful masculine presence but it will really. I see it with a lot of young men to. It's like the first time they get their heartbroken. Yeah they feel like been vulnerable for the first time and they've done x. y. and z. And she leaves. And there's resentment and anger and it's just like well you. I was good to you. And i didn't get anything. Out of a transactional niceness. Yes it's not niceness. That's coming from within from wanting to nurture and be kind. It's like i'm doing this for you. Why aren't you keeping your bargain right. They leave and it's this like what the dare dare you you not the billions of people. But you see that a lot with a lot of young women. I think especially young. Women are so susceptible to that guilt. I think guilt is such a comfort guilt and shame. And that's something that's so clear in. The documentary is a really comfortable space for a lot of women to go and do and so part of the reason that this dynamic exists in perpetuates is that like i feel like me and my peers were very susceptible to this idea that we did out them something and we didn't keep up our end of the bargain and not there is like some obligation and that i think it can be really hard to have the confidence to take up space and be like no fuck that guy. Yeah i mean. People often like when people break up. There's always there's going to be pain if there was love there going to be sadness and it's okay to be the bad guy quote unquote bad guy if you believe in relation 'cause they're gonna feel anger and you gotta sometimes and we will do that because the you'll break someone's heart you cared about them and you feel sad because he didn't want to hurt them and then it gets really complicated. You're you then you will compromise what you know you deserve and relationship because i need to leave this relationship. Whatever reasons not good for me. I know i wanted deserve something more. And it's nothing against you and then we worry too much about them and or they'll will let them shame us right and there's a lot of a lot of messiness that can come from that and And many women do that to you to each other. Do and there's something that you mentioned earlier. That i wanted to a in in in connection to that is is we you mention debt. Men can look at the documentary and say you know. Men can be brutal on women's and women's bodies and there's a lot of things in the documentary that you'll see that a lot of women recovering from brutal brutal and it and most men. It must be really really tough on some level. And i i'm showing compassion to the masculine right now because such a psycho punching bag at the moment Because so many men are not bad. Guys are not going to be sexual. Offenders are not going to hurt women but there are those few that have and you know where do we. Where's the line where men don't have to and this is my question to you because you must feel that too at some level you must feel. I can't believe those guys did that to these girls. There's a lot of talk and our culture like police are good apples. Bad apples that idea of like well. There's some bad apples right type of thing and Yes there's you get defensive too. But i mean in my adult life i feel very fortunate not only to have this platform and have people calling to their stories but i have a lot of women friends. I've dated a lot of women and it's shocking How many you when you start talking to women weather experiences. are you. Watch the movie where she goes on these dates and she promising young woman. Yes and the amount of women that have experienced sexual assault trauma. A harassment is astonished astonished saying that. And what's more astonishing. Is that of all the women who have shared a story in some degrees whether it's friends when dated yep just acquaintances. A hundred percent of the men who victimized them are are walking on this earth free. So that's i mean it's it's young man terror terrible and right and so you know. It's ten percent of manner twenty percent. Oh man it's and so. I as a guy i think you just. I've talked about this whether we talk about racism or we talk about masculinity it's like it's easy to get defensive because you're just like i want to be one of the good guys but as opposed to just immediately assuming that you've never done anything wrong. I think it's always good to just the questions of like. How could i have done better in any given situation right. It's like you're just you're do. I pay attention. Do i ask the questions do i. Yeah you and you're like you know you've never traumatized a woman or put them in her situation but you're just tried to ask more questions and and make them feel comfortable. I mean but it's easy because you just don't wanna get labeled as like there's a lot of that's the thing right now in this world we we'd the lot of generalizing right labeling everything everyone putting everyone into a box and then you know a man and i've talked about this. What's very rushing. It seems like we're getting to a place where people forget that two things can be true at the same time you know. world's nuanced. It's gray it's not black right but it's you know a guy did the somme. All men are bad and so then guys will get defensive. There's just because of this war and has a lot of doing your part. How can you so. What is my question to you. Who for me curious. I'm i don't get an opportunity to talk to a lot of women. Yeah i do a lot of women's podcasts. I had a chance to talk to a a good guy. A good man and why question is when you hear about your friends. Why astonishing amount of women have had some kind of sexual impropriety done to their body. Right me teaching for twenty years. Astonishing number of women have had some kind of recovery. They have to because something's happened to their body as a child as kids in caused by men as a man. That's probably not done at you. Haven't done anything awful to woman's body how do you. How do we solve the man problem. I think it's a lot of wanted to ask describe it. It's a lot of i mean. I'm just guessing. And i'm not an expert it. There's a religious element. Dirge is an inappropriate like in like sex education. That i think we just this kind of puritan culture as we pretend that we shouldn't talk. I mean this story told about your daughter when she's eating. I think that's the stuff that doesn't happen a lot right In terms of just having an honest conversation with your young child about real honest things that are going to experience whether that sex. And whether that's you know eating habits and not having shame as as i think we just have to have more conversations about like you know. Young men need to watch promising young women and said this happens and not pretend that it doesn't sometimes we we want. Oh we wanna we wanna watch these movies or documentaries and pretend it's an isolated small group of people and maybe it's small relative to like the overall society too many as you. And i almost all the women we now have had some kind of sexual offense and it's just like ten percent of men. Are doing that exactly i i don't i don't know what the number is. But it's shocking. How many and again white guy now. How wears it start. I mean it's. I don't think we're going to solve this problem now. That's thirty minutes. But it's i think i listen. I i grew up in a very welcoming family. And i had a mother who had her own experiences right and so it was. You know what hurt she you know. She had six boys and and in talking her boys about treating women. Was you know something we were taught of. Since i can remember before puberty in terms of you know respecting your first. It was respecting your sisters. Were you know and and and and it wasn't necessarily about. Hillary was about you. Know that respect and i don't know and my dad You know in terms of how he treated my mother right. And i think you know you watch her in. It's a cyclical right. You know absolutely at so. This has been going on for years in terms of you. Watch our young men might watch their fathers treat. Their mothers is certainly. That's how they should treat you know women Porn porn the problem. You know so there's a lot out. There is is an issue and in terms of but also just having conversations young young dating couples talking about sacs before they like most people go in and have sex before they've ever discuss sex right. They don't talk about what they like or their interests or what their kinks are. What makes them feel safer unsafe. There is have a couple beers and gloves off. You know you're you're gonna get a lot of things wrong not necessarily in an unsafe situation but even that like we're just not talking about sex enough and making it feel like it's a safe space. You know like a lot of what your doctor talked about is just you know you're getting a lot of women. Not young women for the first time being open about their bodies and saxon ways. They've never before and that's crazy and when you're talking about thirty forty fifty year old women their whole life. They just can't talk about it. Be a lady. It's crazy so i think you're not having conversations and in another deeper issue. That's where i get a little worried about the world sometimes that Like i believe in ability and we bought a call dot com about cancer culture but like people will only you gotta make sure. Conversations are happening out in the public for people to here. Yeah because people are if they're not talking about going to wonder about it. They're still going to be curious or sitting at their own thoughts and in thoughts that aren't communicated offing can get dark so we need allow safe space for people to talk about whatever's going on in here whether it's therapy or each other and absolutely i'm rambling now. No but it's good. Because i'm just curious because i've heard it before i did a ted talk in two thousand twelve and i heard that men were threatened by it and pissed off and on that i heard about the documentary that men also get their hackles up about the documentary and about the women who've had so many of fronts so i just wanted to kind of and i can see that you are also thinking about this and aware of this and it's like because you're right. Nobody's talking everything we're talking about going back to one thing and that is what we talked about earlier. Is that each. The is we each need to know who we are what we want. I mean and i. I i have s factor and i've developed as factor for women and there are few places where men can actually go and have a you know a collective of the masculine to understand and learn how to be in a tribe of masculine energy. Where that used to. We used to have that more indigenous tr- when we lived in the more indigenous tribal of he communities right where young men would go do vision. Quest young women would have their own meantime quest and there was much more development of who we were as masculine feminine creatures. And now there's so little of that and it it's not accessible. It's not easily accessible yet. The really looked to find as factor to find Like michael holtz company. That the guy that i used to with his remain in a documentary. It's very challenging. Like why is this. Not something that is like as popular as amazon. I mean cad eight to me. This is like the nectar of life sexuality interpersonal relationships communication connection eroticism. And yet you have to hunt typically find it you do. I think it was at last time last week. I use the analogy worse. Like people go through purity's having saxon like we're a bunch of race cars where these souped up big edge and race cars with absolutely no training or experience. We just get in. The car is put her in the gas and hope we don't crash but like we we crush all the time and crashing into each other. It's crazy busy. And then i'm then i'm and then i'm sitting in a circle of women who are all crying is upset. Because they've been into and that's that's it so simple you guys something. So natural. So beautiful sexuality your. It's so great. Analogy the race car thing. Because we don't nobody says how or why wear when what what. Just don't get in the car crash so i could show me how to put on a seatbelt like no just. Don't get in the retail women here. She shut down shut. Shut your race star down so women are were. Were in our car like this. I don't know am i and guys are like in their race car out here. 'cause the world is okay with masculine sexuality And then those race cars crashing down our race cars. Were just like a mess. Instead of like your together like that so tap into your sexuality be more empowered to know who you are and then look for your partner and and anyone intimidated by you. Just keep on looking by anybody as yeah exactly know who you are know who you are as an erotic body know your body know how your body wants to be touched. Know how she wants to move. No all the different ways she can move to bring you pleasure because how many times if how many times have women just told me. And you guys. Don't the answer this so many times. Where they just told me they just lay there. They just lay there. The guy gets on at at at at and it's like no girl. You gotta move. Let me show you how to move. Let me show you how to get on top. Let me show you how to move your body into pleasure. It's a it's like a lock a key. Yeah well i feel like we just talk about this forever but probably have to let you go palley so much as Key let the audience know where they can consume more. You're wonderful content. And if they are interested in learning more about a class and pull dancing where they could find it sign up. Take a class absolutely so if you watched the documentary. I did a six month journey right. The documentary travels six months with this group of women. I'm actually gonna do that six month. Journey september october november december january february. So i'm gonna take women virtually through the same journey You can come and get on the wait list for that. At s factor dot com. And or you can come and read my blog at sheila. Kelley dot com. But where. I spent a lotta time as on my instagram is sheila kelly s. So it's at sheila kelly s on instagram. Yeah well i really appreciate it. It's been a ton of selfies. Thanks so much for listening. I hope you found this interesting helpful. 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The Aftermath: Davide Martins

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The Aftermath: Davide Martins

"Got a big star like you. Poor cujo to come on aftermath was going. Oh man man. You caught me between spanks between are going goings on. I had a feeling that this one was gonna get. Because we're talking to an executive chef david martin's you to snap king so you couldn't miss an executive chef. Could you yeah food. I like i like food and yeah we own. I like like talking food. Well let's bring in david. Let's talk about food there and more stuff. He's probably just. I'm sure he has other things as interested in about i. So we're just going to dive right in. You know get to know you your store your journey and everything so with euless let's start at the beginning with you so you're gonna raise enforceable what started you'll love culinary art and how did that leads you come into the. Us always say since my mom. She's a horrible cook. Someone had to save the family because he was just a day after day after day. I didn't have that romantic story. That a lot of chefs do or people that the hospitality world they do. You know the grandma to coke and the grandfather used to cook. i never had. That's really growing up was very simple food. you know. we're pretty humble family so there was not a lot of money so my mom did all the cooking and i remember i used to watch. I always like to eat but not necessarily to cook. But i saw watching two shows. He's called a two fat ladies on bbc in the ninety s and it was very hands on the body wash hands. You know. it's perfect cova time but yet yata one was called ready steady cook which was like normal people not chefs. They'll go there and they'll spend like you mentioned ten dollars and they can bring just four or five ingredients in the chefs there in twenty minutes on the spot. They'll make like five dishes out of it. So there was something about aspect that i thought was cool and i just starting to read a little bit more and everything just then what happened. Everything just happened very fast. The thing in portugal is that you gotta decide when you go to ten grade. What do you wanna be. Which is a little tricky in. Us you guys of everything. All the way into college in portugal. That doesn't happen so imagine if you wanna be a doctor i mean i don't know at the age of sixteen a lot of kids what they wanna do. But you be a doctor. You for instance stop having history on ten grades. There's a weird thing like that. So i sort of had to decide what i wanted to do but you know so but yes. It makes more sense to me. It's a big debate. Know i've been in. Us now for ten years. And i try to analyze. It's good. It's not good i don't know but but yeah so. That's basically how it started in seventeen. I applied and to culinary school in five years of culinary. But that's pretty much. It's not a very interesting story. That's that's definitely interesting. So my question is You gained love for culinary arts through though shows. Those shows kind of introduced you to What was your first experience. Kind of hands on yourself or was it was come. There is a need to try to do something home. You remember your first attempt at making something. Yeah it was a whole family was there and i made. I still remember. I made like a cheek. P puree we'd like like rack of lamb was very disgusting. Everybody and everybody was really polite. Everybody's like oh my you know when people you know be relying people that you know very well. Yeah and i remember looking at that. And i was. I was already sixteen. Seventeen like no. That's that's that's a mistake a little you know most people i mean like you know they made like spaghetti associate of lamb was mine. Was pancakes breakfast. Pancakes and eggs and something else. The pancakes were medium on the that they were not wilda and I i remember that was the first time my mom cut me loose in the kitchen by myself. Yeah david colors. School was was the most challenging part about it was something we connect school that you didn't anticipate being hard and it ended up being difficult so i can from you know. In in portugal things are a little different than here. Obviously for two reasons. One is resources. So i did five years and i. It was split into schools. The first school three years. I was there. I mean there was not a lot of resources they all. Schools are part of just one organization. But you know we always work with the same fish or almost all the time. We always worked the same piece of meat because there was not a lot of money. One of the things. I i didn't expect it was to be. It's a little at least for me. Was the first three years a little more monotonous that. I thought because you only work with the same ingredients over in oregon and it's interesting to see a lot of people go to culinary school because they think he'd secured of world like i love to cook. One thing is lifted. Cook gatherings being in the kitchen and nowadays. You don't have to be in. The kitchen can do several things. So that for me was a little weird because i felt that i was there but i wasn't sure if i one hundred percent passionate and also people around me were a hundred percent passionate about what they're doing my last two years in the other school. That was different. That was a more. Let's say more serious thing doesn't make sense. It was more focus in value. Rally had to work really hard. The exams the practical exams were very very difficult. But i also think one of the important things at least in my school was at the novi. Cheer have an internship and the last year six months and the my last internship. I was in brussels actually for six months and that was good for me goo leaving the country. It's really good Because there's such such routines that you doing portugal that i don't think they are very healthy. So sometimes good. Just go from the country and you know. Sometimes people have a bad experience with an internship. They don't even come back because they think that's the world what's all in areas but in the school percent. There was not a lot of things that i felt like. Oh this is really hard because we we just didn't have culinary. We had everything we had. We had a psychology. We actually have everything. So that's why it's a five year programs big program so it wasn't just that straight focus just on foods. We only had culinary like cooking on fridays in pesos. On thursdays so the other things was just like regular stuff so but nothing like juju difficult. I remember the you just talked about How people have this perception. They don't they don't make it through because they have a perception that what you go through there is kind of what your experience World on the reverse. What did you experience you know when you kinda got out there After post grad out that you wish you would have learned that. They wish they would focus on a little bit more at school. Well we very narrow focus so we think. Portugal has the best food in the world. Which food but i wish we had a little bit that you know. Green food doesn't matter. You know asian foods something whatever. Yeah yeah and we didn't. Everything was just a very french-based. Because you know french techniques are debates of a lot of cooking and a lot of portuguese food. That's about it's it's but also i think it's also comes with a trends or where things go like in portugal. Ten years ago you know capital lisbon in lisbon for instance. You probably wouldn't find a korean restaurants. Nowadays you probably do doesn't make sense are very and especially if you go away from from the big cities which is like just two or three and portugal for american size comparising dan. You know you're not going to find an asian restaurant at a one hundred thousand town kind of Career kind of on trend over over the past decade. I don't i. Don't i think the us was kinda the same way you would. You would have been hard pressed to find korean barbecue. Especially you know the place like atlanta or you know where we are ten fifteen twenty years ago. It wasn't a big thing. Now there's fusion. You can find a korean malaysian persian. Read so i don't think there's isolated to portugal. But you probably had your greek little restaurants right. because a lot of immigration right was 'immigration. That was not a lot of immigration so So the immigration was like a big immigration from the former colonies in the eighties and then it was brazil and beginning of thousands and then was like eastern europe later. But he's not exactly. Those people were opening restaurants as make sense. Everything was very cheese. Orcher geese and i wish we knew more of in culinary school because when i left i was like. Oh wow there's a whole world out there as much as i love his assessment. So we're talking to david martin. He's the executive chef of the european union embassy in washington. Dc is a podcast called turning chickens and breaking dishes and you can catch him on instagram. At turning chickens for conditions are so i had a question So you're you're in dc so you're being in dc year. In american politics some show you have many different experiences with political figures who are some of who are some of the names that you had a chance to cook for and was there added pressure because these public figures that you were dealing with a like a quick story. My my dream was always to meet. When i was back in portugal. Brock obama and i was like this. Never going to happen rights in portugal. Sure i moved to the. Us and isis. See the car. You know when you see the car you know the presents inside. I was like i know he's there but it's not the same thing. So when president obama he left office he actually moved next to the embassy. So i work at the ambassador's house and he actually obama's move next to the house so my hopes got a little. You know hopes up but you know these people that don't necessarily have the normalized you don't they just start walking around. You have to leave the house you know in the through the garage in suv and they're not driving. It's a whole thing. Whatever but four years ago we had a party for actually as a welcome party. And i got the chance to meet them and to cook for damn meet them talk. We'd take a picture into so that was that was probably the i mean. I've met supreme court judges. I met senators. I cook for the prison. Portugal but the obamas especially the the figure that he is in euro. Even a lot of people love him. So yeah that was my probably the probably not probably for sure the the highest name i cooked for. That's pretty big name. That's year tattoo. I mean unless you cook for like kennedy or lincoln does it. You have a sentence. Their pictures on we can drop it in in the show. Yeah and i remember. I send a picture to my mom super proud right so i. I sent copies to portugal for family members. Call it. it's the whole staff. There's like six seven of us. We them with michelle and it. It's there and i remember when i asked him on. I asked my mom. Did you get the picture. And the first thing my mom says was it. She says you really fat nowadays. You'd think well that's exac alone. Not like i'm so proud of bats okay. Mum's cusack like we love that one. One obvious question on the table here. You probably was going to get super yeah. What's your favorite. What's your favorite dish to cook. And why is it your favorite. I have a very boring answer because the david at home. It's a completely different david. And that's my job. Not one of the chefs. That goes home at midnight and starts making homemade raviolis impetus on instagram. Not me super simple at home. I bet food sometimes a lot of people sometimes ask me how come i can eat like fast food or something. If i'm a chef. And i always tell them exactly because i'm a chef you know even talking even if i'm like Four or five different four or five shots were just hanging out. The conversations really boring because it's all about who's getting magin like five plumbers getting together and just talk about pipes for an hour and a half. That's not interesting for me and then you go home and you fix the house. Exactly so i i. I love food. But i love foods in the concept when when i know i have to create something like for instance tomorrow night. I have a dinner. My mind's setting that dinner. What i'm going to make how i'm going to present in my mind but i don't carry that when i come home so at home. Give me the the best lasagna. On earth spaghetti bowling. I'm super happy at the embassy to different story at the embassy. I tried to elevate and do things like the more buji more more more. A little fancy. But i don't have it. You know i love to make. I can tell you that i lived to make bef- watlington for my family for christmas which a bunch of side and i think before a good doctor. I'm not saying. I'm not sure if it's my favorite thing to do but there's a lot of things like to cook with like halibut and pork belly and things like that. But i don't necessarily have one dish that i would be like. Yes because what. I cook there. It's not what i cook at home. So your personal and your personal life do gravitate towards a particular style of food or a particular type of cuisine more so than than others. I've been more Into like we were talking about. Korean food korean. Thai food's loss of last four five years. Actually i love that. I feel like french food. I think it's really good because everything with butter and heavy cream makes everything better. But the i've been going towards more agent and also to be honest to learn a little more about southern food in us. That's something i didn't know as well when i got here just southern food and that's just something that's pretty deep. Fry everything here. Base a anything wrong with us. It's very much like french cuisine. It's heavy on the butter heavy on heavy on different milks and yet and no portion control whatsoever. No that was the adjustments. The first time is out like the day. After arriving dc. I went out to eat and i was like. Wow because even in portugal sometimes you can ask for half of the portion. You even pay less so you can. I have half of the salmon we broccoli whatever and then the instead of being six dollars you pay like four in here. There's that option in. Remember when i saw the first like yeah like now understand. It was that and it was the free refills. So i would ask for a coke and people ask you want when i was like no. I'm not going pay for either one so only after two months i realized i was like you. Don't pay for refills out in portugal. You pay even for water restaurants if you ask for water. It's not tabbies from the bottle. So you got to pay for the bottle so one question. You mentioned How you create elevate your dishes and stuff like that. And they got me thinking about plenty. Do you have a particular favorite technique or favorite garnish. Your favorite When you pleading in general is there something that you like to gravitate more toward. I guess this question. I tried to follow rule which is textures and it goes a little tied with asian food. A lot of people like asian foods invested in a. Why does it's probably the scenes in the world that when you eat something. There's always something crunch softy. And that's kind of when you have that in your mouth. It's much much better if if you believe just a chocolate mousse but if you sprinkle either now that's on top. That's probably more interesting because you have a texture thing so for me. I try more and more z. Years to play textures. Just make to understand if you have something creamy. You need to have something crunchy. So that's always where my brain goes. After i kind of visualize the this what can i add to have. That will crunch bids business to play a little bit with extra absolutely. That's why people like jelly jelly sandwich rights because some people like crunchy peanut butter. And that's i think that's the i mean i think i think the biggest once i really kind of i i have no background in it in terms of education but i do kinda just gravitated us. I comb their hearts will be more. My first adjustment really was like once like seeing all the different things that come together on a plate. Like your sam Play any other. You know boozy restaurant and you know they. They they gave you the sam but then all this you know garnish and slaw and i was other kind of stuff piled on top of On the side. I understand that you have to eat that stuff together to kinda really game. You know what the chef is trying to get across like is those texture this those flavor than the way different things bloom on your palate in and stuff like that so that was my being it because when i started going to those higher restaurants might just just give me to meet my what is what is all this. She goes to the kitchen normally. Like hey come here. Where's the rest. This is what you say. it's it's definitely You appreciate it more like that with those pictures and stuff like that. Being being put together understand. David wanted to take a detour into your podcast attorney chickens and break additions so i know that name has meaning behind the. Can you explain that to the arguments. Yes so because it's a football. Guess i have to think about something that was mean which is portuguese and try to tie a little bit the name so actually starting chickens breaking dishes are two portuguese. Phrases turning chickens means someone that has a lot of and breaking dishes means someone that exceeded expectations. So i thought i could have that title and even ask my so. I asked my guess at the end of each podcast. You know if turning more chickens or breaking more dish so that's a good hook you know with the name of the podcast. So that's why. Yeah i had some ideas Because we have some like food kind of related thing kind of Phrases but those two. I thought the mid more sense is is memorable like okay. You're not gonna forget to have one. So continuing with the podcast. What would you say has been the most rewarding thing about putting your story out in the public and letting them know your world of cooking and what it means. I think for me always. I always like to make fun. Saying i'm a very non well-paid portuguese embassador. Because i really love my country. And even i always starts asking my guests if giving to portugal into any portuguese. Words in for me was always put in the name of portugal out there. It's not exactly people know portugal but a lot of people still you know People always think about spain. I probably don't think about portugal right next to it. And that was something super proud in. You know whoever listens. I'm i'm sure some of them at least like let me just like search something here something we talk about. Just search that thing. And that for me. I want to believe it's the best thing you know. And i'm super grateful for everyone. That's so far that accepted to be on. You know i i. I think it's very difficult. You guys probably know this. I think it's very difficult. You have no name. Try to build something completely right one thing. Is you know someone was telling me like michelle. Obama has a podcast. well she's michelle obama. No one and build something. That's really difficult in this industry. Because it's just. It's a lot of competitions a lot of people out there at. Yeah but did that. I'm super proud. I'm proud the people. I got but definitely i really hope every time someone listens. They like I probably should visit portugal. So i will say that three of my three places that really have to be the wanna say book. Lakes salvo little morbid places. I really have to visit our portugal. Lisbon azores and the dark skin. But definitely definitely those who was puerto. No oh okay. Don't worry about where you remember coach. I'll tell i just listed out of the azores. Her amazing it's basically like the hawaii of europe is what i'm telling ya it's really. I'd never been to the island. So we have observed in madeira. Always they have like seven islands. I think for people like outdoor stuff. It's the pictures. Look out sending in. But i never been. It's really beautiful. Davis in okay so in you ever see yourself getting to the point where i mean. You're a chef obviously skill. Do you see coming to a point where maybe if the podcast is doing very well that you only do that where you always as some form be heavily involved with the cooking yet. I mean. i'm very realistic. And i mean the podcast has what eight months and not even close to be you know have making a living out of it so now not even know. The podcast was was created specially. I know he didn't ask that but it was crazy. Because of covert ice. I teach cooking classes and i was teaching twenty twenty five classes a months and when that stops i felt a big need to talk with people in the questions. I always ask the same questions to every guest on. The podcast is west as my students. I mean it's a. It's like workshops but we had three or four classes a day and it sixteen people total. And i will just ask these questions now. What was your first memory of. What was this was this and starting to you know i think the first month we covered everything was really weird. Probably for everyone writes. Like i got to stay home. The whole thing was really bizarre empty streets whatever but i just starting having these need talking to people. And that's why the podcast was created was just because of that and you know i started to ask some local people dc. And then. i just start for bigger names. Let's put it like that So so now you know. I i love my job a lot also. I also know that. I'm super lucky. I think heart. I think luck is a happens but you have to also be a hard work sometimes to keep that love your site and i'm being super looking my life. I'm thirty three. And i know being an embassy gives you the privilege of not having sixteen hours a day You know our industry is not very well paid the other thing that people romanticize about foods they love you love to cook but then they go work as a line cook and you make three dollars an hour. Whatever it's numidian. You make nothing so snow. I always going to be. I think i'm always going to be involved. A my dream dream dream would be probably ten. Years moved back to portugal But try to work at the embassy as much as you know until the end basically and You know then just see maybe teach classes there but no i mean unless the podcast. I'm seeing this. Is someone calls me tomorrow and be like. Hey we have million dollars for. You'll be like sure cooking but now i you know being at three three will be very very cocky for my sides to be like. Oh well i'm done now. I will more but Did you have something something. And then they got a little game that we do with our guest at the end here too so this quiz because i'm worried about that one. You better headed everything all my answers but no you got it okay. So the last thing was just. I know we mentioned you. Know what you do where you are on social media and the podcast. So is there anything. That we i guess. We've got the mission anything upon you. Let people know where they can find your line as well as any projects that we didn't touch on. Its want to mention guys. You guys said it before. Turning chickens and breaking dishes you can find on any podcast platform. Apple's spotify all of that's the instagram attorney chickens breaking dishes anybody has like a suggestion or a guest or something you can send an email to info at thirty chickens and breaking dishes dot com and bet spree image. I that's pretty much it. I started teaching glasses again starting yesterday. Actually after fourteen months. I'm back teaching. That's also exciting. If people wanna see pretty dishes also from the embassy. What i make sometimes i i also posted on online so yeah i just followed it. Okay yeah this this might seem like it might be selling yourself you know. As far as you know the snack gurus you got hurt you to david. Probably look great pilot one of these days. Look if if you love junk food then i'm definitely Talk but i love. I love junk food snacks. What's what's what's your junk food to go. What's the number one thing for. You see kind of like you. I don't really have an answer whenever people we they feel more like it's like choosing. The favorite child is really hard especially junk food. Because i i've got salty's that like i've got his got if i had to gun to my head. I'm gonna say something red velvet some type of like baked goods a little bit more. Okay and i like. I like the flavors like velvet the flavor with you know you gotta drop the white chocolate area. Drop some something like that. So it'd be. It'd be a combination red velvet cream cheese topped with white chocolate ships or something like that. We'll go with that about you. You put chips and salsa in front of me. I'm on a wreck. The entire that is my thing you know so Chips and salsa. That's just in case could be everyday from what about any other kinds of sauces like mango salsa. Pineapples also tried any of those you stick with like the regional. Just they're just there is no. That's my wheelhouse right. They're nice and simple. Like i said whole bag just like that can ask the question or not. He's anything guys see. That's the question i ask is any combination. You guys put like two or three ingredients together that people look at you be like. That's just weird or something weird you do. do you want me to. I can tell you mine. I can read things. People think it's weird. I always my career. My cereal okay. That's that's a little weird now okay. I'm right there with you. Because i do my microwave my ice cream. I don't like my ice cream to be super solid. I like it to be able to solve some people. Leave out white person. I was talking to my leave. Meyer out in the room like that takes. I eat it. So i'm gonna put it in the microwave for like caught seconds. Put thirty seconds. I put milk. I put zero three seconds. It's just a weird thing. I also do. There's these portuguese brands. I cannot explain for the. Us audience what it tastes like. But actually it's baby food you give for babies like when they're two months it's like i mean it's like a flower powder thing had hot milk or hot water. Rice milk promos. No now people sometimes ask me like. He's like crema wheat. There's none of that. He's just a weird you know. It's the weird thing you give for kids for bulking up the kids basically. I don't need any more bulking up. But during the winter. For some reason i go to these portuguese story in and here and i buy those packages really. It's like powder sixty percent. He's flower flavorings. Whatever and you just add hot water and then you eat it and it's my probably my chew things but so but i've heard a lot of weird things i've heard people saying pudding popcorn and tomato soup. I've heard clo- don't you start. Maybe yes i mean i can get. I can understand the appeal on. What's the appeal. So i'm talking about sectors right so some people crackers you know other stuff. That's the problem. What people sauce their popcorn. I feel like that you know he gets with that too but you have to eat before. Sorry pebbles he was eighty sergeants into slow. That's bad that is so you cannot remember anything strange. Might do people like. I think i think that ice cream in. Microwaves when they get people to los like fries milkshake. I've heard that thing. I've never tried it. No frosty mindless his mom. Syria related with david. Is i drink water. When i'm eating cereal. Cereal with milk. But i drink water while eating cereal another terrorist. A lot of stuff misses more stomach but when water milk okay. It's all about whatever whatever i'm eating if it's like it's really sweet. I use that to kinda. Maybe you know help wash it down a little bit you know but remember in some off. I'm going to remember something. I oh yeh these kind of weird. That i worked as being hostile worser. David so yeah so we got here is a look thing we do. It gets a little bit more called at anthony. S you a few questions and basically an example would be like if you like prefer coca pepsi is pepsi pepsi. And you say don't act like we're all like a man that's my answer me you just have to say. Don't ask me after all right. So here's a personal david. Is it okay for your food to touch. Yes or no yes. What about you. Look up the section. It depends foods. But i in general not don't depends it depends. I don't want my a that. We cannot follow up question. Sorry the game. Now right good funding for i don't want i don't want my colleague. Greens and my breeds such from the juice from spinach of bread. Or you're to get the best part. You like mixing up and everything. I don't want that now. Obviously you know sweet sweet and savory stuff and macaroni. Being when i that's fine it's just it's certainly more stuff brady and soggy. So so you mean you. If you're at the view ed what's the placement debris we've talked about stony river so yes yes and you order spinach as side to whatever you're going to get any some of the jews from the spanish spills over onto your deliciously you. You're gonna be happy about that first off jokes on you can order. No spending rip out here right now. It's going to be a slab of meat on my plate but Like if i'm if i'm eating greens like if my mom or my wife is make greens. I got it on a plate at some of that happens to get on my comrades at madison wants to save you going back to colbrad. I'm taking it to a different a different mixture of wit breed. Because you kind of tough. Oh you say okay. So that's different. So i guess it depends on the fridge so the caveats on the bottom of the brands you don't like but overall it's okay for going to the same right all right. Here's the next so when you go to sleep. Which did you prefer. You need total quiet or do you need noise in the background. Tila quiet yeah. Don't ask me why noise so don't add google thunderstorms by. I put i go to youtube recently. My wife we've been like airplane noise thunderstorms or something on youtube screen. Let go like some of the hurts at the frequency always is i mean. Last night was raining. I left actually. I opened the windows. That was i mean that can be relaxing but normally it is total quiet. I needed his dark and total quiet. And there's problem because my wife is the exact opposite she not only needs. Lloyd's sydney's the tv all. It has to be at a certain volume. So i'm kind of funny i. I don't like to be alone with my thoughts all right. Here's an excellent or pancakes crepes. Don't adding pancakes. Don't ask me. Bank aches sure about this bank ache because wolf is a very american thing. But you know you give me like a waffle fried chicken. I'm all ford's but you say you to brussels i it s like a street food over there. Yeah but but the sweets. They just eat with chocolate or jim in. Us the whole mixture. I just had fried chicken on top or something. And that's really good from the actually prefer this week version. So yeah i'll go for me okay. who passed. I was the first thing you've ever made tissue saying. I can't get i think it so for me. I'm going to game of runner runnymede. Let's say crepes jumped. I jumped up. I didn't even want to so as pancakes. I definitely would say pancakes. And if i had the shoes and i'm like he didn't want to route on top on so you give me some blueberry pancakes. Our rocco is the next one so they moving to you. Prefer a comedy or an action comedy. Don't ask me but i have here. I barely watch any movies. Because i have like an attention span over five year olds. I get bored very quickly i watch. I watch more tacoma. The other day two days ago not yet don't mad at myself for not watching it. I'm hearing mixed reviews online. It's not good but yeah probably comedy probably housing housing comedies. With me so for me. Action of bunch of stuff. Blow up in a convoluted plot. Then people were kind of given hearted comedy attempts though. I do love comedy action movie. You some explosions. The biggest tub popcorn. You can give me an entire trough of dr pepper. And i'm good to go. I was gonna say to sent the action movies quite a bit of comedy nowadays right otherwise yet. Terminator days and stuff like the one liners and like this. The element of comedy. My question was like but is there any good comedy. That's my my my problem. I think comedy's a very personal thing. Of course is he becomes. He goes from comedy to super goofy very quickly and some people goofy. I guess i just don't care for it. I like comedy but like trying to find a good. It's something we'd horror. i hear. i don't watch horror movies with horrible defined a good horror movie. They're always struggled. There's gotta for movies out there but not necessarily very good horror movies. Was the last comedy that you were like. I mean the first one that comes to mind. Was i think is university of this kind of thing. Yeah i think that that was the first comedy out. Saw that was going by. Like what ryan tomatoes score that was. I thought it was like the ninety s or that was critically acclaimed across the board. Wouldn't you get comedies. Like you know if you look at the creek scores like cs ds you see a lot of that kind of stuff. Like said comedy is experienced. Objective is hard to either but what. He's funny changes over time. But it's hard to the thing about critiquing comedies that companies not meant to critique his mitt to be abstract so by trying to put it in a box. And say you have to get these points at is comedy. Did you like super beds. Did you watch the advice. They could never make it now. It'd be a whole thing if they shot to make that movie. Now based on the way things semantic like it'd be just like if they tried to make Tropic thunder now. It'll just be it. Just be a forest fire. That now. But i think we can hear you okay logo. My faith is free up moment. We offer okay tail. Good all right so we've got the last one here for you like breakfast but in yes and no is a big. Yes for me. Yes don't add me. I love it okay. Really is breakfast for dinner. It's it's no. I'm not even really a threat to this person. Like certain point that day we could just get right bricks not go right to lunch at nine thirty in the morning you know. I was forced breakfast a kid. So i'm like you know what i'm good. I'm good getting is you can kind of incorporate a lot of other stuff that you would see as me not being a sandwich. Serve sandwich for breakfast. But how about you do a lot with and incorporates cakes and waffles and crepes fruits come from a country where eggs and bacon and stuff. He's not a thing for breakfast. I mean things are changing slices because of different branches of this world. but unfortunately it's like pastries or toast and coffee and that's it so i cannot you know biscuits and gravy. I love it. I'm not eating that at eight. And that's for sure. I can have it for lunch. But i've never been eggs and bacon and stuff like that. Anyway more pastries pastry side of the pacers. Yeah especially along with cream and all of death okay. So speaking of pastry. I'm just real quick. So i'm from i'm orleans. So do you feel about being as where does that rank on your list of pastry. So i never been your own. So i would like to go there to actually try to real deal. I've tried some. They're pretty good. I mean again. They're frights but night's pretty good. It's it's a little different where we have. But it's pretty good. I i like it a lot of action. It'll problem we've been now this. This is a question. I need to ask and this is going to be a little bit of inside job for for that. So how do you feel about on crystals. Have you had uncrossable. The smucker's and crystals it's like a. It's like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich by in the frozen sections cinna box. Okay now you lost me there soutar. You lost me there. No no. Don't feel bad you know that was. I just wanted to know if he was familiar with help. You on that one. I'm sorry. what did you like. Peanut butter and jelly. No no no. It's not a thing. That's i'll leave pretty americans. Mormons argues that we definitely had a good time. Glendale avenue martins in the aftermath. Right there all right so reiterate again for you gotta pass turning chickens and breaking dishes and where does that trump that comes out every wednesday every wednesday everyone all right and they follow him all itchy turning chickens breaking dishes all right. 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Ringing in a Decade of Stagflation  Ep. 523

The Peter Schiff Show Podcast

1:03:41 hr | 1 year ago

Ringing in a Decade of Stagflation Ep. 523

"Peter Shifts all the major. US stock market indexes finished the second to last trading day of this year in the red. Although it's not just the second to last trading day of the a year it is the second to last trading day of the decade. Although technically speaking I know the next decade doesn't really start until January first. I twenty twenty one but practically speaking. It's going to be the twenties so to me. That's a new decade. So let's just say tomorrow is the last trading day yeah the decade and even if we get another declined tomorrow. I don't know what's going to happen. Maybe we'll get a bounce but I doubt it will be significant enough to turn the tide aid on this bull market run or this bubble bear market rally. Whatever you WANNA call it but it looks like we're gonNA finish the year with a gain of close to thirty percent in the S. and P. Five hundred that's GonNa put the market with its best annual increase since twenty thirteen which courses not that long ago so we did have a rise in two thousand thirteen when Obama was president Where the SNP had a year? That was as good as this year when Donald trump is president so clearly. It's not simply a case that we have trump is president and that's why we have such a strong market. We've had plenty of years where the market was this. Strong and trump wasn't president in fact that Brock Obama was president and one of the reasons that the market was so strong. This year is because it finished finished last year so weak I think the fourth quarter of last year. I think we were down. Thirteen fourteen percent something like that but it was a very big decline line. which would have been much much bigger but for that record surge the day after Christmas? Remember that boxing day. I think the Dow was up like a thousand points this or something like that but the tide that turned the market was the capitulation by the Fed. That's when the Fed I came out and softened its stance on on the rate hikes and the quantitative tightening that it had been claiming. We're GonNa Happen in twenty nine thousand nine hundred and that is the only reason that we have these strong gains because we didn't have good news in the economy really. We didn't have good news on corporate earnings. We didn't have good good news on trade. We didn't really have good news on anything yes. The unemployment rate continued to trend down. But that's not new that has been happening for the entirety of the decade with the unemployment rate. Going down. The one thing that changed that really blew more air into the big fat ugly bubble that Donald Donald trump inherited from Obama was the Fed and of course all those Wall Street forecasters who thought the market was going to be up in two thousand nineteen who ended up being right. We're right for the wrong reasons because they also thought the Fed was going to keep hiking. They also thought. The Fed was going to keep shrinking balance-sheet. They were dead wrong. Had they done that had the Fed on what everybody on Wall Street expected. The market would've tanked and this would have been a down year and trump would be looking even weaker than he does in the polls because he would have presided over over a bear market instead. We have a bull market that he can claim credit for but the credit really goes to the Fed although again. It's not credit. It's blame because you don't credit credit somebody for something bad when they're responsible for something that's bad they get the blame for that. They don't get the credit and the blame for inflating. The stock market market bubble goes to the Federal Reserve because they supply the air now. Donald trump likes to take credit for that bubble. Of course he wants to denied it. It's a bobble. When he was a candidate he was far more honest about calling a spade a spade when it came to the stock market bubble but now that it's his bubble well of course he has a completely different perspective? But if you look around at what also happened Yes stocks were up the S&P up about thirty percent again. The year isn't is an over yet but about thirty percent. I think it's about twenty nine right now so call it thirty percent gain but look at the gold stocks look at Gd the X.. Gold stocks are up forty percent this year. So people that want to accuse me. Oh Peter Schiff you missed out on this big rise in the the US stock market. No because I had a lot of goals stocks I had a bigger gain in my goal stocks in twenty nine thousand nine hundred and then people had in the SNP compe- and in fact if you look at the big drop that the SNP had in the fourth quarter of last year goal socks didn't have that big drop. They actually were up up about thirteen fourteen percent in the fourth quarter of last year instead of being down thirteen. Fourteen percent the S. and P.. So if you WANNA look at how much much gold stocks have outperformed the S. and P.. Five hundred starting with the fourth quarter of last year through the end of this year which is five full-quarter's Gold stocks are killing the return on the S. and P. so I'm not missing out on any gains by not being in the S. and P. to the extent that I'm men gold stocks people are missing out on gains who are in the SNP and not in gold stocks now of course the stock market's still managed to outperform a lot out of other emerging markets and a lot of foreign markets that I have been investing in over the year. But I believe that you're going to see a big increase in the relative of returns internationally. Then you're going to see domestically because the dollar is going to turn in fact. The dollar index is still holding on to a fifty basis points approximate gain for the year. It has been weakening towards the end of the year just says gold has been strengthening gold. Now is back above fifteen hundred fifteen fifty fifteen hundred and fifteen dollars proximity but the dollar index is closed today at ninety six spot seven seven. It closed last year. Ninety six spot maybe one seven so again only about a fifty basis point move up in the US dollar and other dollars should have moved down. It really should have given the about face that we had at the Fed but it didn't happen but again that doesn't mean the dollars execution has been called off right. It just stayed for a while. The dollar still going to get killed. It's just that it's is going to get killed. Not In two thousand nineteen. We'll see what happens in twenty twenty and and later but I think the dollar is going to begin a major major decline in fact what what is going to define. The twenty twenties is going to be weakness in the US dollar. It's going to be the inflation that results also at least the increases in consumer prices in long term interest rates. It is going to be a decade of stagflation. Although that's that's probably a mild way to describe it because if you talk about stagflation is reminiscent of the nineteen seventies and yes that was a bad decade for the economy. But I think the twenties the twenty twenties could end up being a lot worse than the nineteen seventies. And so they're they're gonNA be worse. I think than the nineteen twenties right where we had a depression. I think what we're going to have in the twenty twenties is going to be an inflationary canary depression right. We're going to get inflation. And a weak economy. Only much weaker than the economy was in the seventies with even more inflation. And so that's that's why I'm saying it inflationary depression now who knows what the official. CPI is going to be. I mean clearly. It's going to be much higher than the Fed's so-called two who percents You know ceiling which is now a floor. Whatever you WANNA call it? But the real inflation rate is going to be substantially higher than what the government will admit to with its with its measures Because even if you measured inflation today if you went back and you measured it the same way we did in nineteen seventies seventies. We'd have inflation. That's much much higher in fact if you look at the money supply growth money supply M two is growing. What seven eight percent a year? I mean that is more or reflective of the actual inflation rate then the consumer price index. Because it's the money supply that is being inflated. That's what inflate means. It means to expand and and were expanding the money. Supply is seventy percent annual rate will. That's the inflation. Rate is the rate at which the money supply is inflating. And I think that rate is going to rise dramatically dramatically and so two will its impact on consumer prices in fact not only was the US dollar down today but the bond market was also down. And that's it's also going to be part of the big story of the coming decade is not just going to be rising consumer prices but rising long-term interest rates right. That's when we had the misery index that we had in the nineteen seventies that Ronald Reagan used against. Jimmy Carter. Well is common back back. Only we're going to be a lot more miserable because we have much bigger problems now than we had back then but I tell you you know the decade. The one that that we just finished the teens did not really go the way I thought you know back when I was writing my book crashproof back in two thousand and five thousand thousand six. I did not think Bag van knowing what I knew right believing we were headed for this financial crisis the collapse of the real estate market. All the things that I knew were going to happen in fact did happen. I thought that we would have had to pay the Piper by now that sometime during this decade we would have had the real crash the world of waking up the bottom would have dropped out of the dollar and the chickens would have come home to roost on all of the profligacy. Okay but instead we kick the can down the road for the entire decade. And of course even if you remember when the last decade was coming to an end right We were about to launch the tea party right. The Tea Party came in in two thousand ten protesting the big increase in the national debt. The National Oh that had gotten up to almost twelve trillion I think about twelve trillion by the end of two thousand and nine right. It really started to explode. In the last year of Bush's presidency see but then took off under Obama and Republicans win this decade started. Were really pressuring to have some type of deficit apposite restraint. I knew at the time that it was all. Bs But people acted as if we were really making some headway. We had some rules that were put into place By the newly elected Republican Congress to kind of force some Modicum of fiscal responsibility. If you WANNA call it that on on government by having having some limits to the way the debt can be increased right there was a real pushback against the debt. Of course all that's been abandoned by now as the decade comes to we're close and a new decade is about to start and the national data at least the official national debt is upwards of twenty three trillion dollars right. We're now how you know the the national debt clock. You could just go to the website. Where twenty three spot? One six three Collett trillion dollars. I mean we're barreling rolling towards twenty four trillion. We've almost doubled the national debt if it ended the last decade at twelve trillion. And now we're you know over twenty three trillion. We've almost almost doubled the debt during this decade and no one cares right as we're ending the decade neither party. I mean clearly. The Democratic Party is not going to give a damn about about the depth and either do the Republicans right. No one cares about the debt. Well I do think that we're going to have the day of reckoning in this next decade because I don't I don't see how we can go another decade doubling the debt which would mean what we go from twenty four trillion to forty eight trillion dollars. There's no way that's going to happen and we cannot stay on this trajectory without a collapse and to me you can already see a lot of warning signs that we've been talking about them. I've been talking talk about the rather on this podcast. A lot of people in the media have been ignoring them because they're focusing on the new highs and the Dow and the Nasdaq is above nine. Nine thousand for the first time ever and so. Everybody just wants to focus on those so-called positive benchmarks that we're seeing and ignore a lot of stuff that's going on in the markets you know. I read an article today that this was the fifth year in a row that more hedge funds closed down then started up and I look at this and have been looking at this as kind of a bearish sign of the market mania. Right because what's happening. Is The reason hedge funds are closing down is because they can't beat the market and why can't they beat beat the market. Because it's a bubble right if you use your brain which supposedly the guys that run the hedge funds. They're being paid the big bucks for using their brain right and trying trying to outsmart the market and trying not to buy stuff that's overpriced and look for real investment value right so they can deliver the Alpha right a to their clients. Well that's been harder and harder to do in the short run because the people who don't use their head who just by whatever crap is going up right if you just by this stuff that's going up. Well you make more money than the people who are trying to find value and so the hedge funds community has been having a hard time retaining chaining their customers because people are just saying. I'm just going to buy the indexes. Why should I pay somebody to use their brain when I can make more money not using my brain at all but that what is what happens in a mania right? I mean that's that old expression. Don't confuse brains for a bull market right. People are making money despite making taking bad decisions because everybody else's making the same bad decisions they are and so the fact that all these value investors are having to throw in the towel because they're losing their clients alliance to the index is because the fees are lower and the returns or higher. That's again more of a sign of mania. Now they've been doing it for five years in a row so I don't. I don't know if there's anything special about twenty nineteen but I just think in general the fact that so many people are throwing in the towel all on using their brain and they're just chasing the momentum just shows you that you know we're getting near the end of this cycle and of course some of the you you know the mania right. Some of that bloom has come off the rose. The Froth has come out of the market this year. I've talked a lot this year on the podcast about the blow up of the IPO market. Right a lot of these new. IPO's the ride shares. The Uber's lifts a lot of these companies are way down this cheer from their IPO price a lot of companies like we work never even got to go public to head a call it off and headed for bankruptcy and other high profile deals. That never actually saw the light of day right. This is an indication that we're running out of room for this bubble grow. Look at what happened to the pot. Stocks oxes here the cannabis companies. They got smoked. I mean literally had one of the worst years you have a lot of these stocks that are down Aurora cannabis symbol as ACB. That stock didn't make didn't close at a new lower closed unchanged at a dollar ninety one but it hit a fifty two week. Low of a dollar eighty eight and canopy growth. which is we that finished down? Two dollars and thirty nine cents a new low for the year but the high was over seventy dollars dollars. A share stock is now a twenty four fifty one. Of course the biggest decliner is this company till ray although on the year I think it's only doubt about seventy percent which there's still a lot closer to fifty two week low. Today was down three point. Six nine percent fifteen seventy two was the last price but remember it traded at three hundred hundred dollars a share in the third quarter in September of last year. Two thousand eighteen so five quarters ago the stock printed three hundred now down ninety five percent so a lot of people were very excited about these pot stocks and money piled into him and so that bubble blew up in in in twenty nine thousand nine so there are these signs were the speculative froth is coming off yet. Averages are still moving up and they're still floating on a sea Z. of liquidity that's being provided by the Fed. And everybody is trying to pretend that there's something fundamental to this market that there's some reason season for the market to go up other than the Fed when there is no reason for the market to go up you know even the Fed reserve. They came out with this study and a lot of people. Of course want to dismiss it. People say hey I'm a hypocrite. Because why am I pointing to studied. The Fed did look not everything. The Fed does is going to be wrong but they put out a study in which they showed that the tariffs backfired that Donald Trump said. Hey we're going to have these tariffs and it's GONNA help on manufacturing it's going to help on trade and in in fact the opposite has occurred which makes sense. Because that's exactly what I said was going to happen. As soon as trump lodged a trade war I said the tariffs were going to backfire. And now you have the Federal Reserve confirming exactly what I said. So we haven't had good news on trade. The only good news is that we may be surrendering we may be calling off the war with a CBS phase. One deal that basically doesn't accomplish anything we don't even have that yeah. We don't even have phase one yet so nothing really happened other than the Fed a going back to Q.. E. Even though they want to deny that it's QE. The ballot sheet continues to grow at a faster pace now than it did when they were doing. Qa we're now up to about four point two trillion almost in the Fed's balance sheet. Maybe even by the end of January of next year we could be at four and a half trillion. We'll see we'll be at all time. I for the balance sheet and then we'll just keep on going after that but that's the only reason that the markets have gone up and of course that has enabled all sorts of credit all sorts of borrowing not just incorporations but the government has been able to borrow without a bigger increase in long-term long term interest rates. You know I read an article today about the refi markets cash out refinances which have really been picking up recently recently but in the last year according to this study sixty percent of the cash out refinances. The people bull who did this ended up with a higher interest rate on their new loan than on the loan they refinanced now when interest interest rates were falling and people were taken. Hey I have a five percent mortgage nominee refinance and now I'm going to have a four percent mortgage right. That made sense because because they were actually refinancing into a lower cost loan right there. Monthly payments were going down so they saved money by refinancing. In fact people people were doing a cash out. Sometimes you get such a big savings in your interest-rate that even if you took cash out and ended up with a bigger mortgage you ended up with lower payments on that mortgage because that bigger mortgage finance at a lower rate so a lot of consumers. It was a slam dunk. I get cash rush and at the same time I ended up paying a lower mortgage payment then before the refi. Well that's not what was happening in two thousand nineteen people people were taking. Let's say a four percent mortgage that they had and they refinanced it into a four and a half percent mortgage so they have a higher rate and their payments are going up yet. They're taking in cash out anyway. Which means they're payments are really going up because now they're financing a larger balance with a higher rate? So why would people do that. Why would they cash in a really good loan to get a new loan? That's not quite as good as the loan they had and the reason is because they need the money. Now now some people say well. I guess it's a smart move. Because maybe they're taking the money and they're paying off their credit card debt which might have been eighteen percent interest and so they this is is cheaper which is true but that means that there's actually a lot more credit card debt out there then the record amount of credit card debt that we know about if people are basically using their houses houses instead of a credit card but of course there is another big downside to using your house and that is when you refinance your house that mortgage is is a recourse loan right so the Bank can come after your house if you don't pay if you don't pay your credit card bill. The bank can't come after anything. You know it's just that's all they get is the credit card. It's an unsecured loan and in fact you could go bankrupt and you wipe out all that credit card debt if you want but mortgage debt. You have pledged edged national asset and a lot of times you refinance your mortgage you go from a non recourse loan which a lot of mortgages are non recourse if his purchase money. If you borrow money to buy the house in many cases the house the loan is not recourse meaning to the Bank can take your house. But they can't take anything else but when you refinance you lose that and so after the bank takes your house. It does not love money there they can come after your other assets so consumers are putting themselves at greater risk to save some the money when they take all their credit card unsecured debt and they move it into their mortgage but again. This is more evidence to me that households are strapped. They don't have cash they've piled up a bunch of dead and they are using their house again as an ATM machine. Except now they're not refinanced into a lower rate their re-financing into a higher rate right and all of those higher payments are going to be a drag going forward on the economy when people now have higher mortgage rates because they refinanced into a higher rate. Of course people still think they have home equity but wait till the real estate prices really start to come down which again I still think is going to be the case. I think that we're GONNA see more upward pressure on on mortgage rates at some point of of course that whole refi well is going to run dry that the rates are going to be so much higher that it's not gonNa make any sense to refinance and of course you can't refinance if you don't have the equity so if if the real estate prices drop if the market goes down then even if you WANNA refinance. You can't do it because you don't have enough of equity in the House to qualify for the mortgage and of course a lot of people don't realize or maybe they do but when you refinance your mortgage if it's a big mortgage like a jumbo mortgage bridge then not as much of that were just tax deductible because they lowered the limits on how much you can deduct on a mortgage and if you refinance awesome mortgage refinancing mortgage that used to be fully tax deductible the interest on the mortgage and now some of that interest may no longer be tax deductible because the when you refinance finance that's not grandfathered in it's a brand new mortgage and so that takes the current rules the only way that you can be grandfathered in is if you don't refinance and you continue you didn't make payments on a mortgage that you took out when the rules were different but getting back to gold I gold really is the untold story here sure I mean I'm watching a lot of the financial channels and they're not really covering it much I mean it was up eighteen percent right I guess compared to the thirty percent right gain in the stock market nobody really cares about an eighteen percent gain in the price of gold except that's a decent move for the price of gold and it really tells you something I mean obviously it means the dollar relative to Gold has lost eighteen percent of its purchasing power and that's in a year where the dollar hasn't really lost any of his purchasing power relative to other VR currency so gold is rising against every Fiat currency in the world. But I think the strong finish that we're getting to the year and the decade aid is indicative or telling us that we're likely to have a lot of strength to continue in the new year and into the new decade not only in the gold bullion but even more more so in the gold stocks the whole commodity complex. Look at what's going on with oil prices. You know we're almost at sixty dollars a barrel now in crude oil and so you know. I think that we're setting up for very very bullish move. Not a lot of people are optimistic. You know oil stocks were among the worst performing stocks. Not only of the year but of the decade okay D- And there's not a lot of optimism out there in the oil patch about oil prices and I think they're wrong. I think there's too much pessimism when it comes comes to oil and I think the contribution from fracking and and the Bach and and all that is overblown. Because I know a lot of the money that was invested fasted was lost I mean returns. Just were not there for all the money that was ploughed into the oil and gas market that produced a lot of this oil. I mean we certainly produced loose lot oil but we didn't produce it in a cost effective manner. The problem is the wells that were drilled. Were a lot more expensive than people thought. What and the production declined much more rapidly than people believed so the investors really weren't getting their money out of these wells and so the next time the oil price goes up? I don't think you're gonNA see a rush of new drilling. Everybody just assumes Oh all price moves up we're GONNA have this big increase in supply from all the sexual drillings. I don't think the investors are willing to get burned again. They already lost a lot of money. When oil was one hundred dollars a barrel right people put a lot of money into the ground at one hundred dollars oil and lost a good portion of it because the costs were too high and the production was too low? And so I don't think you're GONNA have. AH This big new supply and if oil prices go up to seventy eight dollars a barrel. It's not like we're GONNA have this rush of drilling that's going to push the price back down. I think prices are going up and I think the bigger move though is going to be in the grain market I think agriculture especially if the Chinese end up. You know doing what the trump claims are gonNA do the Chinese really by forty fifty billion dollars worth of farm products every year. They really basically double alert. Triple what they're buying. That is GONNA put a lot of upward pressure on prices. Prices are going up. This is going to be the decade of the commodity market. It just like the one thousand. Nine hundred seventy we're stagflation commodities did very well in that market the US dollar got clobbered during the nineteen seventies. Gold silver did extremely well as stocks went down. That is where we're headed right now. You have all this unfounded optimism. Nobody is worried. Even I know there's all sorts of massive problems problems that are far bigger than anything that people were ignoring back in two thousand and five two thousand six two thousand seven seven right. There are a lot of problems when when the two decades ago right when we ended out the twentieth century right nineteen ninety. Nine New Year's for January. Sorry I two thousand right. That was we were right at the peak of a of a stock market bubble. The only thing people that were worried about at the end of the one thousand nine hundred ninety s was computers. Y2K people were worried. That somehow the computers weren't GonNa work and then when January first came along and everything was fine. We'll then there clearly clearly was nothing to worry about because all they were worried about was white. UK There were a lot more problems to be worried about and then we had the big drop in the stock market. Arche we have that crash in two thousand and one but the Fed unfortunately led by Alan Greenspan spared the economy of the consequences consequences that it should have suffered and and had we suffered them. We'd be in much better shape by now but we didn't write. We kick the can down the road. We made a deal with the devil. And I think in twenty twenties in this decade. The Devil's going to collect now. I know a lot of people are thinking. Oh well what if we make it through the nineteen twenties right. What have we just keep Abban running these big deficits teeter? You've been wrong before right you. You said these bad things were going to happen and look we went through the entire decade and nothing bad bad really happened. Well sure we didn't have a final collapse. But a lot of bad things happen beneath the surface but meanwhile even if we just get had a repeat of the decade that we had before this one from two thousand two thousand and ten foreign stocks did a lot better than US stocks gold ended a lot better than US stocks emerging market a lot better than US stocks commodities did a lot better than US stocks. Have we just go back to that. Decade my investment strategy is is gonNA clobber be along the SNP. But I don't think we're just going to go back to that decade as I said earlier. We're going to go back to something far worse than that. We're going to go to an economic environment environment. That is going to be more reminiscent of a combination of the nineteen seventies nineteen thirties. Even if we don't get that we just go back to the two thousand to two thousand. How's your hand right? You can still make a lot of money in my investment strategy. Even if I'm wrong about how bad things are going to get into twenty twenty s and of course if they don't get at-bat and the twenty twenties well they'll get even worse than the twenty thirties right in the thirties. But I don't think we're GONNA get because we're either going to elect a socialist in in twenty twenty like Bernie Sanders or we're going to elect one in two thousand twenty four right. We're going socialist either way right. And even if trump manages to get reelected did because everything hasn't completely imploded by election. Day of Twenty twenty right. It's gotTA employed shortly thereafter. And so either way it's going going to get blamed on trump and Kaplan the republicans so this decade of the twenty twenties is going to be a decade of socialism whether it starts in the first year the decade or the fourth year of the decade the decade is going to be dominated by socialism. It's going to be dominated by modern monetary theory right out with the tea party as I said earlier earlier in with Mt Modern monetary theory again. There's nothing modern about it. It's not a theory and it's not really monetary. It's just printing press money. It's just a helicopter money. I mean this has been tried over and over again it is always failed. And that's not gonNA stop us from trying here. Of course it's not going to stop it from failing here because is it can't succeed but that's where we are this decade promises to be a complete disaster and I think that even people who listen to to me early a decade ago. They're still going to be better off than people who never listened to me because they're not gonna be prepared they are going to be completely blindsided by the way this decade. Data's going to play out another group though that's going to be very blindsided and surprised by what happens during this. Decade are all the Crypto people. The bitcoin coin bugs. Who are so confident that Bitcoin is gonNA reign supreme right if you look at all the articles and all the coverage from the bitcoin bugs? They talk about about the fact that bitcoin was the number one performing investment of the decade. which I guess it was because it started to dictate below a dollar and here it is above seven thousand coin and it was below a dollar so nothing can compete with that so yes? Bitcoin was the best investment of the decade right. And ask ask anybody who owns bitcoin. They will tell you that they'll also tell you that. It was the best investment of the year because bitcoin is about one hundred percent. It's about doubled right. It's about seven seven thousand as I'm recording this it's a little above seventy two hundred and that's about double it was what thirty two hundred thirty three hundred. Something like that when it started the year. Sure so the price of Bitcoin is doubled right so that beats out just about any other asset class so again the bitcoin claiming hey bitcoin is the the greatest you know. We've done the best but again. They're being very selective in their timeframes and in overlooking what has happened. Recently the main reason season in fact the only reason that bitcoin was such a good performing investment in two thousand and nineteen was because it was such a bad performing investment investment in two thousand and eighteen thousand and eighteen. I think Bitcoin is down about seventy percent so because it was down seventy percent it was able to double in two thousand nine hundred thousand but still be way down from its peak member Bitcoin peak doubt about twenty thousand and so it went down to three thousand and now it's seven seven thousand but over the last two years. BITCOIN is still down. That's what all the bitcoin bugs are overlooking there overlooking the more recent performance foreman's when they're looking at. Oh how did we do over the last decade or if they just WANNA look at this year without putting it into the context of two years because Oh she had such a big decline in the year that preceded also bitcoin guys don't want to look at the second half of two thousand nineteen because because during the second half of two thousand nineteen. bitcoin is down about fifty percent number. Bitcoin was up at almost fourteen thousand midway through the year. That's about were not just below fourteen thousand now against seven thousand two fifty or something like that so bitcoin is Ben extremely weak during the second half of this year in fact during in the month of December bitcoin. Has it rallied at all. It's pretty much exactly where it was the beginning of the month. There's been no Santa Claus Rally no year end rally while every other asset class in the world whether it's stocks gold silver oil. Everything's been going up right except bitcoin. Now I guess you know for for all those people who like to say. Oh look bitcoins. Real value is that it's non correlated. Yeah it's not correlate it's the only asset not going up okay it's not correlated. So what's that worth big deal but the big corners have to ask themselves. Why is it bitcoin going up? If all this good stuff is happening right you got the happening. They keep talking about right and all. This stuff is huge. Infrastructure is being built out and all. This great stuff is happening. Why is the price not going up right if we're having all this good news and the market isn't rallying on all this good news then what's going to make it rally and why isn't it rally and if it's not rowling the good news? Well then what does that mean that means the market is going down. That is the realities again if you look at the search engines and look at Bitcoin as a search term. You'll see that bitcoin. Today is no more popular online than it was two and a half years ago. It hasn't gained any any popularity. It peaked out in popularity at the end of two thousand seventeen when it had that huge run and its way down. bitcoin join depends on a new supply of buyers coming into the market. Well in order for you to come into the market you gotta at least do a little research right. You would expect that people who don't own any bitcoin right. Who are thinking about buying bitcoin? For the first time you would think they would search the Internet and research bitcoin how how to buy bitcoin. You know what's the price of Bitcoin that you'd have more and more people searching for Bitcoin. That's not happening. More people aren't searching today than we're searching two and a half years ago so if you're not having a huge influx of new buyers how the existing holders GonNa get out. They can only get out by selling to the other existing holders want to increase their position. But that means you're running out of a suckers right. You're running out of chain chain letter or the Pasi scheme is coming to an end right that. That's what's going on so I think what's going to happen in this decade is the Bitcoin. Bugs are going to be surprised because bitcoin may have been the best performing investment of the last decade. But it's probably going to be the worst performing investment of this decade. Now maybe not. Maybe it'll be some other crypto currency. That does worse than Bitcoin. Factor probably will be because there's like five thousand of these things now. Hey maybe bitcoin will be the best performing Crypto Kersee but it can still be down ninety nine percent or who knows what it's GonNa do because all these other currencies go down even more but the bitcoin community is going to be in for a rude awakening at some point during during this decade. It's unfortunate because a lot of the other things that has caused people to buy bitcoin. We're going to happen. They're going to see the big collapse of the dollar. They could see. The dollar loses reserve currency status. They can see massive inflation. Maybe hyper inflation. Who knows a lot of this stuff is going to happen? But what's not going to happen happen. Is that people are going to take refuge in Bitcoin. As a safe haven they are gonNA go into gold. Gold is the central banks are moving. Gold is where the real the money is moving and remember the gains that bitcoin had during this decade. We had no crisis during this decade. Everybody was buying everything right nobody. Nobody knows how Bitcoin is going to behave in an actual crisis. Nobody knows and in fact if you think about it if you really are worried right. Let's say you're so you've got a lot of wealth and all of a sudden you're worried you're worried about inflation you're worried about the stock market and you just you want something safe. Are you really take a chance on bitcoin. I mean as something that you don't even understand something that's only been around for ten years and something that was at twenty thousand and and now it's at seven thousand and it could go down to seven hundred. You have no idea. I mean there's no way that you're going to seek out refuge. In something. Speculative speculative an intangible as bitcoin whereas if you got something that's been around for thousands of years something that you know that you could trust that's honest and real right that doesn't have this crazy volatility. It seems to me that in time of crisis when the real money is actually actually worried and looking for a safe haven goals GONNA win hands down. There's no way bitcoin is going to beat out gold in a battle for the safe havens effect. Even if if you look at it now right people say oh what if you bought gold at the high all right if you bought gold at the high this year. You're down about three percent if you bought it at the exact high right now of course if you bought it most other points during the year your head because goal is at fifteen hundred and fifteen. It's up eighteen percent on the year so most people who bought gold this year. They're making money now if you bought the absolute high okay. You're down three percent. That's not that bad. Most people who bought Bitcoin for the first time this this year are losing money in fact people who bought bitcoin this year. If you bought the exact hi you're down about fifty percent that's not a store value down around fifty percent in a few months. How could you call that a store value? How can you call that a safe haven investment so there is no comparison? Volatility is massive SUV when it comes to bitcoin versus goal. The potential for loss is enormous. In fact Bitcoin has probably a greater potential to lose than just about any other asset. So nobody is going to be nervous. Hey let me sell my dollars. Let me sell my euros because I'm worried output money to bitcoin. I mean bitcoin collapse so much more. Are you worried about your dollars. You have even more to worry about if you buy. BITCOIN is same thing. If you're on the stock market or if you own land going to sell my real estate of worried about the communist there's some real estate and let me buy Bitcoin. Who's GonNa do that? Nobody's going to do that right. I mean other than the Bitcoin bugs but a guy that doesn't own any bitcoin. Now who's thinks the economy's great doesn't have a care in the world. All of a sudden he gets word because inflation is picking up you communist tanking and he decides to sell some real allstate he decides to sell some of his stock portfolio. And that what did you do. He's going to gamble on. Bitcoin always not. He's going to buy gold if he's smart right right if he's not as smart he'll probably just put in the bank by Government Bosch or something like that but the people really smart. They're going to see the risk and government bonds but but they're not going to be worried about government bonds and so. Let me just buy bitcoin. Because then they'll have to worry even more know another bad thing that's going to happen to in the New Year is twenty. Eighty four states are going to be raising the minimum wage. And I know the way you you hear this covered or read about this. This is supposedly a good thing right. Oh this is great news news right. Twenty four states are raising the minimum wage and a lot of these states. They pass these minimum wage increases years ago and they're just like automatically every year they go up and a lot of them are trying to get to fifteen dollars an hour and there's a lot of states that have some pretty big percentage jumps January first twenty twenty because a lot of these I'll laws were passed in two thousand sixteen right twenty seventeen and so they basically back and loaded them so a lot of the impact of the higher minimum wage. Age would be felt in the future because they didn't want to deal with it right away so they figured okay will back end. It will make sure that we don't have the full impact of the higher wages ages until later on when you know maybe we can blame it on something else or maybe we'll we won't be an office anymore. Whatever but these chickens are coming home to roost? And so you're going to see a increase again in wages the cost of hiring people which is gonNA put more pressure on employers to fire people rather than pay the higher wage. But I guess over the last couple of years with all the cheap money and all this bubble economy you know. The the increase in the minimum wage hasn't necessarily done as much damage to the job market as it alternately is going to do because a it's a cumulative effect right we keep on increasing thinks the wages so maybe the last hike wasn't enough to generate a pink slip but maybe the next one will but as the economy turns as we move into recession The the weight of these wage hikes minimum wage increases is going to be much much heavier. And I think we're GONNA see a very big impact on payrolls. It's not necessarily going to. He blamed on the minimum wage because a lot of the layoffs may happen years after the minimum wage laws went into effect that initially triggered the the hikes. But it's going to happen now. We're getting rising wages. We're getting rising prices in other parts of the economy commodity prices oil prices. I think we're going to get agricultural. Prices is is going up. Interest rates going. Up So all this inflationary stage has been set. It's unfortunate that very few people can understand or appreciate what they're looking at what they're seeing unfolding before their eyes because they're still oblivious because they're looking at the US stock market or looking at the unemployment rate and they're thinking everything everything is great but again those are the same people thought everything was great just before the economy went off the edge of a cliff in in two thousand and eight on a lighter note to I was just reading again. That that new law in California goes into effect also on January first when it comes to a board members California Pass. This ridiculous is law that said that publicly traded companies based in California had to at least have one female member of the Board of directors. Now of course I mean you're should not be a gender based test. I mean to board of directors should be the board of directors a shareholder of the company. And I WANNA WANNA board. I don't want the board members there because they are women or because they're minorities I want them there because they're the most qualified for the job that that should be. The only criteria Syria is. Who's going to best serve the interests of the shareholders not who is going to best reflect the gender makeup or the ethnic makeup eh the community or something like that but the ridiculous part about this California law is the language that they put in it right because I was reading this article article about how companies are now frantically trying to get a female board member in place because the deadline is coming up? They gotta have won that they. They didn't have one but but because of the pressures from all of the various factions of victims that comprise the left these days. The requirement is not thought that you have a female board member meaning a biological female. A woman with x x chromosomes as you know in ovaries. What the law requires is that you have at least one person on the board? That self identifies is as female now. The reason they had put this in there as they wanted to make sure that you know the the Lgbtq community was covered that if there was you know a guy hi that was in transition or whatever who who feels identifies as a woman right that that person would count as a woman right so they put put that in there to throw that bone to that that faction of Of the left that needed to be represented but the minute they did that. Of course they neutered entered the entire thing right because if the requirement is that you just have to have somebody who identifies as a woman on the board. Well then what stops any of the current men who are serving on a board. All you need is one guy to stand up and take one for the team and say. Hey I defy the woman and there you go I mean really. There's nothing and you can do because once you identify yourself as a woman. They don't have a litmus test they can't say will prove that you identify as a woman because you can identify as women anyway. You want what I mean. I can identify as a lesbian woman. Right because lesbians are women I could say identify as a really butch lesbian. I'm one of these lesbians who likes six to dress up like a man. But that's why identify with. Well what are you going to do so i. I don't know what's going to happen with this law but to me is ridiculous. I would love to see if I if I was on a board of one of these companies I would I would identify as a woman I like to see anybody make a big deal out of that because I don't think you can because I think the community doesn't want you to be able to question somebody right. You just can't say you're not really. Oh you're making it up. You're only pretended because then then you're you're being insensitive the incident. Then you're being a homophobe or whatever you are right so you can't do that. You just have to accept if somebody claims they're a woman it doesn't matter what they look like how they dress you just gotta say okay. You're a woman right. And so you know the law. As far as I'm concerned the law's absolutely meaningless because it doesn't require anybody to actually do anything because the left got so far far to the left that they they basically did everything right what they were trying to do they. They got back to zero. If I wonder if there's going to be some boiling point point some tipping point between. Let's say the women and the LBJ cues because the women want all these special rights but always special rights are privileges rather there are now in jeopardy because if any guy can get them by claiming to identify women than whatever progress. They think they've made is going to be law so at some point there's going to have to be a civil war we're here within this community but right now the coalition still is pretty tight but I have a feeling that pretty soon there you know. It's not about just eating the rich. They're going to start eating themselves. No all I'm talking about the left to I I happened to catch you know Bernie. Sanders has been going around with Akasha. Cortes she's been commented rallies and she's endorsed him and you know that's really helping Bernie Sanders with the Latino. Vote the young people but one of the talks. He was up there and she was saying saying how the United States is a fascist nation. Right that we're not this great nation where we're fascist right. She was using the F.. Word Fascism to describe America and you know the irony of all. This is that she's right. We are fascist but not for the reasons that that believes we're fascist because we've embraced many of the policies that she is champion. You know what people don't realize is that fascism is really fascist lost world war two right. The two big fascist nations Sion's Italy and Germany lost the Second World War but their ideology one. Unfortunately that's what happened. Remember the Nazi party is is national. Socialism socialism is the operative word. There there bashes are socialist. Fascism is a form of socialism communism. Awesome is a form of socialism. That's why the fastest and the Communists are such adversaries right because they're basically fighting over the same turf. It's which which brand of socialism is going to win out there very similar to one another right and it's the similarities. That breeds all the animosity because the rival gangs fighting over the same turf people. Don't get that now. Yes the fascists in Nazi Germany. There was an element of racism there because of the area nation anti-semitism. But you didn't have that in Italy under Mussolini and Mussalini actually came I. I mean Germany's Germany's fascism was basically modeled after Italy's fascism. But what fascism really is is a form of socialism where instead of nationalizing ising the means of production the government controls the means of production through regulation and taxation for the good of the people that is what has has been going on. We have high levels of taxation highly levels of regulation. The world has really embraced ideology. The Fascism all list of government healthcare government education. All this stuff. These are tenants of fascism to have the government. Do this right. What The the left after his advocating right Bernie Sanders eos see. They're not advocating that the US government nationalized the means of production. The way a communist would did they want the government to take over the means of production through the tax code equitable ownership in the means of production not legal title to the means of production. But Hey let's let somebody pretend that they own it. Let's let some private people run it but we'll run it for the benefit of the government because we're going to claim the lion share of the income in taxation and we're GONNA have all kinds of regulations the government's going to micromanage and plan the economy. I mean all of this is fascism so when Eo C.. Z. Says America's become fascist. She's right she's right for the wrong reasons and she wants to make America even more fascist than it already is. I see what I WANNA do. Is I want to get fascism out of America right which means I don't want sanders. AFC I WANNA go back to the constitution. I WANNA go back to limited. It'd government to freedom. I want to get rid of the income tax the personal income tax to corporate income tax. I want citizens the private sector to not only have have legal title to the means of production but to own the means of production right because they don't have to cut the give the government half the profits which is what the government is taking when you add all the tax levels on the code. The government is making more money especially when you throw in the payroll taxes I mean the US government if you take any fortune five hundred company and you look at all the taxes they pay payroll taxes. You look at the taxes that are employees pay withholding taxes the US government. It makes far more money off of any enterprise for any any private enterprise than the actual owners right so if they actually nationalize it. How much extra would they make AAC? Maybe not maybe less because people work harder when they think two working for themselves than if they're working for the government I mean. That's one thing that the fascists understand understand that the communists don't write that the government can actually be bigger if it allows private ownership but just takes the lion's share of the profits because goes to. You're making more money than taking all the prophets and having to run the company yourself because then the government runs it into the ground. At least what is run by the private sector you know it could be run you know. Some would efficiently generate profits out of which the government could take all this tax revenue but when the government takes over running the company's altogether they destroy royal the prophets right. That's why they keep talking about all they want to tax the rich tax riches all this wealth. Well they're going to destroy the wealth before they get around the taxing it. What did finish up this podcast? Though on a positive note talking about church shooting in Texas and on a positive note not because there was a shooting and because because two people unfortunately were shot to death while they were worshipping at a church but the positive note is that unlike the last time there was a church shooting this time there are a lot of people at the church right other prisoners. who were armed right? They I think they changed the laws since that church shooting and people were allowed to bring firearms into this church. And fortunately that's what happened because because this guy opened fire he brought a shotgun into the church and he started firing and he killed two people but within six seconds of the first shot being fired he was shot dead by a Churchgoer who was carrying a legally concealed firearm on his person. And so the minute he saw this guy with a gun he drew his weapon and fired in killed them with one shot. That was it that was the end of the mass shooting. That wasn't it wasn't a mass shooting but there were two hundred and forty people in that church. It could have been a mass murderer who knows knows how many people he killed two people in six seconds. Well what if he had been firing for a minute for sixty seconds. What about two minutes? Who knows how many rounds does he would have been able to fire? Had he not been taken out and you know the media is not going to be covering this the way it should because as far as they're concerned they would be much happier if none of the people in a church roamed if the only one that had gun was shooter and he would've shot thirty or forty people then it would've been great right then they could have had all these people who have died and they brought out all the people saying we need more gun control. You see guns kill people. Look at how bad guns are. All these people were killed but that story is not going to happen because people had guns you see if there was strict gun control right you have a lot. The people say we should have no guns right. So let's say we had laws has said it's illegal you can't carry your guns. No one can have a gun walking around you. Can't you know if that were the case. Then the guy that shot this shooter would not have had a gun and so instead of shooting back he would have had a high like everybody else would have ducked down. We're run for it. He couldn't have done anything. Because if someone has a gun and you have nothing you what are you GonNa do you either hide or you run but because this guy was armed he got a third choice shoot back and that's what he did and he took this guy out but if it was illegal to own a gun then nobody in that church which would have a gun except the criminals shooter who was there to commit mass murder now. A lot of people think well you know we had gun. Control was allowed to have guns. Well then that guy wouldn't have had a gun either. Nobody would have had a gun. Well that is yes because guns exist. It's not like if we have gun control. There's GonNa be no guns. Guns are going to be there and criminals are always always going to get them. See 'cause criminals by definition. Break The law right. That's why they're criminals they don't care about the law they don't have any respect for the law if you're a criminal and you're going to commit a robbery or you're gonNA kill somebody you're not going to say. Oh wait a minute. I can't commit just robbery with a gun because I'd be breaking the law. You're already breaking the law. Committing a robbery is breaking the law right so one sure lawbreaker with this doesn't matter how many laws you break right. It's the law abiding people that have respect for the law that obey all the laws that uh-huh bathed gun control laws the criminals that this obey the laws that are lawless. They couldn't give a damn about comedy. Laws say you can't have have a gun because they're going to break. The law doesn't matter in fact criminals. Love it when you have gun control laws because they know other people are GonNa obey the law their victims are. You're going to be the law. And so now it's easier for them to prey on people who were unarmed right. This guy picked the wrong church to have a mass shooting because because unfortunately for him and fortunately for everybody else the The other people had guns too and so they were able to kill him before he was able to kill will a lot more people but of course even look even if he didn't have a gun he look. He drove his truck into that church. You know killed some people by running them over. I mean you can kill old people. You don't need a gun. I mean this guy I guess they weren't. I don't think anybody died at the Rabbi's House in New York but the guy came in with a machete. I mean you can kill people even with a machete too but obviously if somebody has a machete right. It's better if you have a gun. You have a better chance of taking the guy before for he kills anybody. If you have a gun a gun is the great equalizer it equalizers the victim with the perpetrator and in this case it worked out. So I'm sure the media is not going to play this the way it should from the proper angle. This is an example of guns saving lives. Because Oss law-abiding citizens were armed. They were able to protect themselves against criminals. Who will always be armed? No matter what gun control law all you want to pass but anyway. That's that wraps it up. This should be the last podcast. I do for this year for this decade. I'm not planning on doing anything on a New Year's Eve. Hopefully everybody has a great time to save time. Get home safe. I WANNA wish everybody a happy new year. Who's been listening to to my podcast? The audience has been growing for the PODCAST. I'm looking at my social media accounts. My Youtube Channel people listen to the podcast on Youtube. I'm up to two hundred seventy five thousand subscribers to my youtube channel. I've got a number of people now. Follow me on twitter. What is it one hundred over one hundred seventy seven thousand twitter followers? I forget how many people on facebook but if you're not already a facebook fan or twitter follower or subscriber to my. I my youtube channel. Go and do that invite your friends to do that. My goal though in twenty twenty is to really up the quality of the podcast to do more. The videos live feeds. I'm intending to build a a sound studio on my property in Puerto Rico. In part you know a motivating was is my wife. Who sings in a band in our town and Dorado and she wanted a place for the ban the practice and to record some music and she was she was kind of pushing me about building a sound studio on the property but also since I can maybe kill two birds with one stone? I can do that for my wife. But also I can have an upgraded studio for a my own podcasting and video production and I can move my equipment from my office in Puerto Rico when I do videos when I do interviews who knows maybe maybe in the next decade. Maybe I'll be back on the mainstream financial media. Maybe as Moore's my prediction is really start to pan out in a very measurable way goal taken off the dollar's getting killed as the economy is a mess and all these really bad things start to happen in a way that actually sinks in with certain People in the media and other members of the press. Maybe they'll start seeking me out so I think it'll be good if I have a really up my game when it comes to my ability to produce I saw audio and video content. But even if it's just me doing it myself I can deliver a better product to the people who are listening to me in a new and don't forget if you haven't already purchased a copy of the bubble movie Definitely GonNa get that. Get that before. The bubble movie to comes out you want to go go to lead us. DISAGREED DOT COM and pick that up. Make that a new year's resolution to watch the bubble movie between early in the New Year. Probably probably not enough time. If you've ever watched it already probably not going to watch it this year but get that watch because there's a lot of good information in there. We gotTA help disseminate that information to the public. And I think if I you know up the quality of what I'm doing the technical capabilities what I'm doing at shift radio and shift podcast. Who knows I might even get had another book written? I'm sure I will write another one. It's been a while since my last one. I also WANNA update how an economy grows and why it crashes so. I'm sure I'll I'll be doing some more a writing in the next decade but again I want to thank everybody all the listeners who have followed me over the years and you know really helped me to build. Hold up the quality and the reach of this podcast because when when the year began I mean I was still doing the Peter Shift show. I started doing the radio show. The podcast evolve ov over time as I kind of lost the you know. I didn't really have the time to do to do the daily ratio. In fact I wasn't doing the daily radio show when the decade it began. I was you know I ran for Senate in twenty ten and it was when that Senate campaign ended I was trying to find a way to kind of stay relevant politically and to get my voice out up there and then I started the talk show after that but I soon realized I just was too demanding on my time to do that but I may devote more time in the future in this escapade to this podcast. And I have in the past as a lot of the things that I've been forecasting really start to come true and I need to be a voice of reason voice voice of sanity out there like a lone voice in wilderness to try to break through all of the anti-capitalism. That's going to be out there. The socialism all always bad stuff. That's going to happen in this decade in Twenty Twenty S. It's all going to be blamed unfairly on capitalism and I WANNA make sure that there's somebody out there blaming government blaming central banks so that we have a chance of having real solutions that will work that we may in fact one day actually be able to make America great again instead of just pretending that we made America great again by doing more of what made it in the first place.

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The Rush Limbaugh Show Podcast - Apr 01 2021

The Rush Limbaugh Show

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The Rush Limbaugh Show Podcast - Apr 01 2021

"Looking to add a podcast you're mix the tackles big tech predictions and unpacked the latest tech trends for business meet. Hp tech talk how will the world transform with excess scale computing will g deliver revenue for telecoms. And why does zero trust security matter tune into cutting edge conversation with industry trailblazers on hp tech. Search hp tech talk in your podcast app to subscribe as the demand for telemedicine grows. So does the need for connectivity. Five g. meets that need qualcomm remains focused on giving doctors and patients superior security rich five g. Connectivity learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age. Welcome to today's edition of the rush. Limbaugh show. podcast. It is such a tremendous honor to spend this week with you to chat with you on these days. The lord is made during this time. In which god is aside we will live. It's good to know that. God knows he can trusting this times eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. It's always a joy to chat with you. So it's april fool's day and there's an april fool in the white house. Ha han cert- your joe biden. Joe care we're going to revisit. Some actual humor rush was a prankster. And if you're longtime listened to the program you know that he loved a good laugh. Sometimes even airing these things So some vintage calls in fact of rush being humorous sky was in the prankster that he was. There's a prank being played on the american people and it is the biggest scam in government. Is this thing called. federal money doesn't exist. There's there's no such thing it's a huge scam and mockingbird media members gleefully. Play along with this. So we'll dig into the specifics of this this time. The infrastructure scam quickly. Let you know about a very special program this air right after this program tomorrow. It'll be at rush limbaugh dot com it's a tribute video about the life and career of elrushbo. A lot of familiar voices in some. You've never heard before like paulo. Who's a listener. Just just like you. And i know he's someone who came to this country from cuba to pursue the american dream. His words that describe describes impact on him as he pursued his. life's ambition or heartwarming. You might relate to them yourself how he was able to know so much about these people without even be more in a country like mine. He never experienced the hardship on the cruelty in all like that. I experienced when i was in cuba. And how he was able to take the whole big picture i understand. I'm all the pieces together. That was always like that was the genius of rush limbaugh. Like he didn't have to experience he was able to comprehend it completely. like magic. Be a fascinating thing to count up the amount. A number of minutes rush spent as a i. It's again. it's hard for me to think of russia's a celebrity but he had one name if you said radio host. Russia said rush. Everybody got it and it'd be interesting to count up the minutes he spent with us and you could hear rush learn when he was on the phone with people so again. That will be tomorrow right after this program. If you hear the mockingbird media refer to this bill this this this attempt to biden this as an infrastructure plan. It's not that would be like referring to a big mac has cheese. What jeff lunch cheese. It's worse than the percentages more than half of this doesn't have anything to do with infrastructure and its two trillion dollar price tag or more. But what's in it is is a complete and utter shell game. Let me give you one bullet points. Illegal instruction is a great article about this. This plan calls for eighty five billion dollars to modernize existing transit systems and help agencies expand to meet writer demand. So let's keep track of this. You live in dubuque iowa your boss is gonna get federal money taken from dubuque iowa with a rake a percentage of that taken by federal workers for the pleasure of counting it and collecting it and spending it and then sending you some back but with a bunch of rules attached to it. It's is a shell game. Furthermore did you notice during the cove. Flu well we saw the flu around. But when during the height of the democrats medical uses deadly politically advantageous lockdowns. The buses kept running wondering why. I talked to an expert but this mark from washington state when the wheels a rolling the bus people are getting paid federal monies so when no one was going to work the buses kept rolling because they kept soaking up money from us. There's this there is going to be a bunch of money to cap. Wells plan has sixteen billion dollars towards hundreds of thousands of jobs plugging oil and gas. Wells in reclaiming abandoned coal hard rock and uranium mines. Okay what about the money that we could spend actually getting access to the oil under our loan land of course. That's that's verboten. Absolutely verboten joe. Biden's dementia read from brock obama's and indictment of the wealth of the very people. His party has made thirty percent more wealthy with their covert lockdowns even before the crisis for now facing those are the very top in america. We're doing very well. Which is fine. They're doing great but everyone else is falling behind the pandemic only me the division so much worse and more obvious. Millions of americans lost their jobs last year. While the wealthiest one percent of americans saw their net worth increased by four trillion dollars. Just goes to show you. How distorted unfair. Our economy has become wasn't always this way. so let speak distortions. The pandemic did none of that none of it. The medical uses selective politically advantageous lockdowns. Did that mark zuckerberg wealth one up. Jeff bezos wealth. One up bill gates wealth. Went up jack. Dorsey wealth one up. Big business soaked it in during this period of time and he speaks unfairness. As to this day. You have small business. Owners being crushed for daring to open their businesses speaking of unfairness. Some illegal immigrants are getting up to twenty seven thousand dollars to not work in a country where it is illegal for them to work in new york. So-called lawmakers want give billions of dollars to two former inmates in illegal immigrants and you speak of unfairness in infrastructure. A fourteen foot wall infrastructure was where to coyotes human smugglers dropped two toddlers from a fourteen foot fence into the united states mocking us and potentially killing these kids. And it's on video but biden's got that under control his his dementias perfectly in control of that now. Just as the fake environmentalists gave china total pass for for their carbon output. The mocking birds give mexico pass for the role in flooding americ- with the legal immigrants as rush says. I'm sure that most of you know this but the way asylum works if you're safe from el salvador guatemala and you want to flee and seek political asylum elsewhere guess what the law says you must apply in the first country you reach after fleeing. You're on well. That's mexico but mexico has been acting as a pass through does not been stopping the people or the caravans mexico has been facilitating their trek northward. And so when they get to the united states then they seek asylum and that the the loophole for that is at once you seek asylum. That's different than coming in and being an illegal immigrant. You seek asylum. Well that that's when you get taint detained and that's when you get separated from your family and that's when you get released after time with an order to come back and have your asylum requests processed in court. But guess what happened. they never. they never come back. They just disappear into the framework of the country. It's a scam. It has been a scam and it's been a scam allowed to be a scam because nobody's had the guts to enforce the law and they said well we can't rush because we can't track every one of these people once we detain them and they leave and don't come back for their hearing. What are we supposed to do well. It would seem to me. And then maybe the solution not let him in apply in the first place. Because that's the first step of the illegality here opportunity to take the information. We learned from russia's enduring wisdom and today's headlines show the video of the kids being dropped fourteen feet into this country. And we're empowering this show. This team just sent this to me. This is from september russia's just talking about the bus scam the in fairfax county virginia. They wanted to keep paying school. Bus drivers even though schools are online. You've seen your community. The bus keep rolling. Wheels keep rolling. That's federal money and it's it's an utter scam taking out of your pocket during a lockdown. They're going to retrofit homes for green energy. The spend intensive spent billions of dollars on this. Did people walk them retrofitted or we're going to pretend that solar is sustainable in this retrofitting we're going to install charging stations for cars around the country. Is there enough energy for this elon. Musk says there's not enough energy electrical energy for any of this. Lastly why us. Why are we paying for that. Not the car. Companies which the liberals pretend to hate big business until it's installing their donors in our pocket books and leslie with all of this highways or federal infrastructure. Federal buildings are federal infrastructure. None of this. None of the rest of this has anything to do with federal infrastructure. It is paid to play walking around money time. Share that with any of your leftist friends who still are not a member of the full leftist colt on herman in on the eib network today as your guide host. Todd herman your guide hosts on the eib network this week. It's eight hundred two eight two two eighty to a love chatting with you. There is unfunded this metaphor. i don't know how helpful for you. It's really helpful for me. There is a reason that tennessee scored the way that it is. You know with the fifteen love etc. The design was so that us little people could watch the game but not understand the scoring so that we couldn't do it ourselves in a way that the royals designed the game to be able to enjoy the game without having it sullied by the little people so a lot of what goes on in how are economics are reported through the mockingbird. It contains a lot of this sort of theory and they try to mystify things so our economies all very complicated and it allows them to say things like offshoring is is just a political thing. Let's see if i can break this down. The trump tax cuts compared to the tax increases being contemplated by biden's dementia three trillion dollar infrastructure plan. He's looking at increasing corporate tax rates etc. Let's see if they can explain the super simply right. It had been cheaper for companies to hire a whole bunch of tax attorneys and tax lawyers to offshore offshore them out of the country. Then to work here. It was cheaper. Trump changed that it was cheaper. Stay home that's a very simple explanation of corporate tax cuts. There's a competitive world there's forces that don't want it to be competitive. We talk about that later. They won't one corporate tax rate everywhere so that all companies are sort of captive. Then there's this aspect of it washington. Dc has a business model. it's a great business model. If they want more money they take more money. It's really clever and it has happened that investing in lobbying in washington dc in order to hamstring. Your competition. or get yourself special break. Special regulatory breaks is more profitable than research and development. So you have young talented lawyers in such living in dc to do that and company's paying for that rather than research and development on our own shores there's your corporate tax rate there's your regulation that's how really relates to companies who care about profit because so many of them are following the woke path. That's not even their main concern anymore. So that's the basic math that the mockingbird media pretend to not know rush went far deeper than that into the mass delusion of the forefathers of the mockingbird media that tax cuts meant instant loss of government revenue folks. We've been there before we've been there done. This is just that the media and the democrats since one thousand nine hundred have been doing their best to rewrite history that they have been able to make people forget what happened or change their minds about what happened. And i was going to say. It's one of the frustrating things people lived at you would think after living through such a robust period of economic advancement. That people would remember it. But you know what the problem is. They associated it with reagan and not policies and so the democrats had no problem destroying the policy. Reagan was not around anymore so they didn't have to really bash reagan although they do and did but reagan remained overwhelmingly popular so they continue to bash supply side and all during this period of time. You may remember this. Sam donaldson was famous for this. He was a commentator on this week with david brinkley and he kept talking about because of the reagan tax cuts. We're gonna have a huge credit card bill to pay. We're borrowing all this money. This isn't real growth. And the american people are going to have to come to jesus meeting very soon down the road because none of this is real but it was look successful tax reform the implementation of thoroughbred conservative ideology. That works every time it's tried is the biggest threat known to the left and the democrat party because it proves not with theory and not with words it proves with real life it proves with action that it works and it's contrast with socialism is obvious socialism is gigantic failure communism ditto so they have to destroy it. They have to revise history. They have to mischaracterize it and they've been doing so since the eighties and the way they have been dealing with this tax cut legislation is identical to what they have been saying about the reagan tax cuts since they were passed and implemented tax cut for the rich. Don't care about the little guy. Big corporations don't need any more money. Big corporations killed our customers ruin. Their businesses destroyed a planet. Big corporations are not people. Big corporations in the rich do not share their money and they disparage trickled down. When in fact trickle down is exactly what economic commerce is trickle down is exactly what economic growth is and here comes the american left and the democrat party working in unison to destroy the entire concept and to enough brain dead low information voters the constant repetition and we're talking decades works and then there's another factor it's so successful that future republican presidents were afraid to reimplement it the closest we got to reagan era or like reagan era. Tax cuts was george w bush in the first term in office. Two thousand one two thousand five or two thousand four. We had serious tax cuts and they tried to destroy those the same way and i want to go back two thousand eighteen two hundred thirty eight democrats number flow. It's i mean it's one hundred in the senate and the house and so forth adamant it may be made me more than two hundred thirty eight. The point is there's not a single democrat. That voted for this. There is therefore not a single democrat. Who will be able to run for election or re election next year by clinging to this they will not be able to take any credit. Don't have any fingerprints on it in will be true and it will be easy for every republican to prepare campaign ads against every democrats seeking office that they voted against prosperity. They voted against you. Keeping more of your own money. They voted against you getting a raise. They voted against four percent economic growth and all of the good that entails. They voted against cheap energy. They voted against oil and gas exploration. That would bring down the cost of energy for the consumer. They voted against everything that leads to economic prosperity economic security and economic freedom. And it's on this basis that they somehow believe they are gonna sweep the house in two thousand eighteen. And what are they voting for. What are they trying to design into system. They're trying to design into our system. Fifty one percent of us getting regular monies from the government. Well from the rest of us when fifty one percents can take money from forty nine percent. Just for the simple pastor in washington. Dc we have a structural problem in how voting occurs yet. They're pressuring biden to put regular so-called stimulus payments into the mailboxes of americans. That's how far this progressed. So when does this stop being our life's energy. Let's explore that as we continue. It's taught herman your guide host this week on the one and only eib now back in the today. When radio star stations started to be built around the moja there was the super talk radio format that was created and and a bunch of people. Involved that i knew a couple of them got brian jennings who still alive and guys passed on named peter. Wise back and peter was radio host in seattle. And this was this phenomenon that that rush in you and team may be created that entire radio stations were built around this program and peter weiss back said something that has always stuck with me and this is a way that i hope that we can take the information we get on the show and and take it from potential power into real power which is to start referring to our our bank accounts and our 401k's as our life's energy. Now we have souls and we have new treasures that we saw on heaven and that i hope would be a focus or the focus on earth. The money's in our bank accounts are the result of her life energy. If we work if not that. The results of other people's lives energy democrats. Don't do any money as legitimate. Unless they get a chance to tap into it to tap into our lives energy now the mayor of real reminds us is regards this phenomena that central planners were actually stunned like turkeys drowning in the rain when lower tax rates did what we know they can do. They created more government. Revenues nineteen eighty-one when rinaldi's magnus took office. The top marginal rate folks was ninety percent. Now nobody ever paid it but it was there. There had all kinds of shelters and deductions. But you paid ninety percent on the last dollars you earn but nobody ever reported those dollars that it was. It was complicating it. Was it was hodgepodge. The also the talk of tax loopholes that the conservatives don't speak a tax loophole there is no such as a tax loophole. there are tax provisions. There are tax laws when you start throwing around the term tax loophole. You're you're trying to make people think that people are escaping the tax code that they're finding a way around the tax code able to break the law. That's not what tax loopholes. There aren't any such thing. There may be unintended consequences. The tax writers enact to build doesn't account for certain activity happens as a result that happens because they failed to dynamically score these things at the c. b. o. or the joint committee on taxation. And as i said the greatest example when they cut the capital gains rate in the bush tax cut in the early two thousands. They had no idea why all the money was flowing into the treasury. They cut the capital capital gains rate practically in half and what that meant was is that people were selling stocks instead of rolling them over or donating them to charity. People were selling appreciate his stock. If you get to keep eighty five cents out of every dollar you earn you'll sell the stock and then you'll reinvest it in by more that started happening. People started paying the capital gains rate instead of avoiding it. It caused all kinds of new money to the treasury. That these egg heads. Who are the supposed. Experts never counted on. And i think this bill has all kinds of possibilities in it like that but the personal rate reduction by the time. Reagan left office in nineteen eighty eight. The top marginal rate was down to thirty percent from ninety two thirty percent since then since the late eighties the tax rates have basically banned from ten to twelve to fifteen to twenty four to twenty eight to thirty and then they jumped to thirty nine point six to thirty five twenty nine something like that. The corporate rate however stayed at its inexplicably stupid figure. Thirty five percent. So the personal rate reductions have happened long ago and they're happening again here but there isn't that much room to reduce them because they have been reduced so much over the past twenty or thirty years the the corporate rate has remained ridiculously high. And i'm just going to tell you. When the corporate tax rate is reduced from thirty five to twenty one percent you've heard the old adage that corporations don't pay taxes you do and you know what that means right. It means whatever corporation tax bill in the amortize it by building into the price of every product or service enough to cover what their tax payments are so at the end of the day. They don't pay them. I mean they they they file returns and they send checks to washington but it's not a net loss for them. So what happens if you lower a corporate tax rate and thirty five to twenty one. Were you open up all kinds of possibilities. What happens when you have a seven or eight percent. Repatriation rate like apple has hundred ninety billion dollars overseas and the amount of money other corporations have added to that which is doing us. No good over there. If they're allowed to bring it all back or a portion of it back it only pay eight percent when they going to do. They're going to bring it back and what happens to it. Well here. now we're up against what. The brainwashing of the american people on corporations has led people to believe and this is really a crime and i know that there are bad actors bad actors as individuals. They're bad actors is small businessmen. they're sports athletes. That are cheaters. I mean every group of people has its renegade malcontent senate and corporate. Ceos in corporate executives are no different. The difference is that the left has done their best to convince everybody. Every american industry made up the corporations within it is out to harm them to screw them to cheat them or even kill them in the cases of before masuda industry and other places and so there are many people who believe that corporations don't do a single damn thing that's good that all they do is deny people healthcare. They deny people are civil rights. Deny people vacation time they deny people personal time to go to the vet with the cat they deny people this and they do not have any tolerance or patience whatsoever and they just fire you and they don't pay people enough and this is what people have been led to believe because the left has been pounding this kind of thing for decades. The liberal democrat enemies list is topped by industries big auto big pharmaceutical big bucks retail big oil big tobacco. They are hated and despised but in truth all they are is groups of people and many of them are traded publicly and so have fiduciary responsibilities to show a profit corporations not in business to provide people health insurance. They're not in business to provide people jobs. Those things are necessary when competing for employees. But that's not why people go into think steve jobs. I wanna create the macintosh computer world on fire because i want people to have corporate healthcare insurance. That's why he did it. Henry ford automated the automobile assembly line. Because he wanted his people have health care. No but once you make decision to go into business and then once you start hiring people it takes competition to get the best people and if the going rate is a healthcare plan and this an app then you offer it. But if corporations paying thirty five percent now are reducing reduced rate to twenty one percent. What happens well. The negative reaction is they. Keep the money rush. They're going to get older money. You're going to keep it. They're going to keep gouging like the cable companies do and associated companies going to cut our prices. They're going to continue to deny service and they're going to continue to deny is ho care and they're going to get richer and richer. Is that what they're gonna do or are they going to become more competitive. Are they going to be able to offer that our employment packages better pricing packages the products and services. They sell this whole notion. That i don't like the corporate side because you know it never proves that the corporations getting a tax cut benefits little guy who hires the little guy who manufacturers things and makes them available for purchase for the little guy who is in competition with other businesses for the little guys business so if a corporate tax cut result in greater job opportunities if it results in corporations lowering prices in order to expand their custer because remember this tax cuts going to give everybody more money. Everybody's going to have a little bit more disposable income. They're going to have more money to spend corporations. Do like separating people from their money and of course the left hates that to the left calls that donations and funding corporations call it sales and profits. But it's the same thing everybody is out to get your money and your out together. Nobody else's money. You can't however like you're out to the corporation's money people you work for small. It's all the same and there's more money significantly more money circulating in the us economy than their theoretically is more of it for you to get a share of. It's all good and a suggestion. When you're talking to your kids about your business your small business the money it allows you to save refer to it as your life's energy. It's a different way to think about that. I think we'll make it more precious to your children. Quick quiz for long time students of rush true or false at one point. He had fifty baseballs thrown out. Answer next it's taught. Herman guide host this week on the eib stott. Herman honor to be your guide host this week on the eib network warren from gonzales. Texas right outside san antonio as i recall welcome to russia's program taught him in your guide who warned what's on your mind this morning born you're on russia's show what's on your mind sir. Oh hey I was just thinking back to the first time. Ever heard rush that was back when he was in sacramento Gotten what's that been. And and i i heard him and i'm like who is this bombast egotistical. What is this guy doing. And i listened for like five minutes and get disgusted and turn the radio off and then i come back to it because i was killing a bunch of bugs driving up and down. I five at At the time and the more. I listened the like well. You know this kind of makes sense but What is What is this half my brain tied behind my back stuff. It fair. who is this guy and One day he had something on economics and that whole segment with with all of that stuff. I remember listening to all of those things over the course of time and i went. And wow this guy really does know what what he's talking about. I have a degree in economics. And that was all the stuff that i had that i had learned You know the lowering of the tax rates and everything what that does with the inflow of money to the treasury and corporations not paying taxes. They don't my brother. And i used to argue a bunch he Unfortunately was think of subversive but never couldn't get him to understand what happens with that. And i said stephen. It's real simple corporations. Either pass the cost on. They find a way to reduce their costs which easily in sacrifices jobs or they go out of business if they can't do either the first two and i said that's just the economic reality of how that how that works so he had me hutt From that point on and And it's just a shame that That we can't hear him live anymore. But boy some of those some of those things i remember hearing like they were yesterday absolutely and i think what. What's so cool. Warn is the way they compare it to today's news. We just heard rush. Explain what what by explaining what happens with lower tax rates. What's going to happen if the plan. That joe biden's dementia read off a brock obama's teleprompter comes true in the what i find amazing about the work that team. Eib does warren. Thank you very much for the call. Be careful sounds like you're killing bugs or through windshield again and warren took us back to the sacramento days. I want to take you back. Before the sacramento days. You know rush worked. This is opening day baseball by the way it is. Oh yeah this. The washington nationals had a game coming up against the mets but because of the cova flew they cancelled it. It was he washington nationals game. Where she was in the stands. I don't really need to wear a mask. Because does not cameras on me. And the lady i'm with. Maybe this is my wife. She can take the mask often. But your kids. If they don't wear masks they'll kill all the people in that game. That's the emphasis. The where the infamous social media name came from. But now we've got to shut the nationals game down because of the covid flu so rush loved baseball and want to go back to prior to sacramento rush worked for the kansas city. Royals early in his career in one of his big responsibilities was the ceremonial first pitch. I have thrown out many ceremonial first pitches and in my career. I've also changed for many ceremonial first pitches. When i worked for the kansas city royals in fact one of my most infamous moments was the very first first ball ceremony. I arranged and orchestrated and seed from the field. Olathe night polite. The kansas night. Saturday forty thousand people at royals stadium. Microphone at home. Well it's actually up to the pitcher's mound. They got ninety people from the olathe committee. Sola tickets at our largest group of the year lined up in the infield third base to first base. I do the you know the rigmarole. Welcome all these great job. And i go to the guy throwing the first pitch time let rip. I'd forgotten to get the ball some stranded out there. No ball for guy to throw the first pitch with. So i knew if i left that. Microphone to go to dugout and get one. There would not be a ball there. So what i did. I want a microphone. Thousand people here with somebody in a dugout. Please throw me a baseball here. Came every baseball. Did them fifty of them. Empty bags thrown out. The late-night committee scattered all over the field. Chasing down the balls. I reach down grab one gave it guy. Threw the first pitch best first pitch ceremonial first. Pitch in major league baseball history and most entertaining and it was mine. I know about these things. Let me give you just a tip. That i've learned through my career based upon what rush just did and how he how he responded to that if you ever want to catch an audience attention when you're giving a high grade really important presentation pretend you're powerpoint broken. Memorize it up a whiteboard. Indraught it out. I guarantee works every taught in your guide hosts this week on the so if we could provide you the opportunity to have rush uncover. Afc making an argument for the trump tax cuts would that interest. You see one of the geniuses of rush is not just the presentation it was the listening the keen observation the paying attention to each and every phrase used to say words mean things tell people about your background your education even your intelligence so he was always listening. We will show you that. Also little point of comparison around the word free another opportunity to take the information you've got for decades from this program it which is potential power to turn it into power. What if we could show you that. The government calls free or what they call low cost or what. They pretend to make low cost actually becomes more expensive. What if that was a dynamic that existed in just about every instance you can write down to so called affordable housing. Would that give you an opportunity to share with your friends why we are small government. Big people tight people will continue to use russia's wisdom and some good old fashioned logic. Make this information take it from potential power into actual power. We'll get started right after this taught him your guide host this week on the eib network weight loss. It feels like a constant cycle like my body's always working against me pushing back on all of my progress. I learned that anytime. I lose weight. My body tries to gain at right-back. Finally i discovered it's not entirely my fault. I know healthy. Eating and exercise are important but they may not be enough so i talked to my healthcare provider about whether a prescription medicine could help me lose weight and maintain it together. We made a plan to tackle this a plan to help. Lower my risk future weight related health issues like heart disease. 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We'll talk about that throughout the show. It's one of my focuses is action so there's a lot to talk about joe biden's dementia inserting into people's mailboxes regular so called stimulus checks in other words a universal basic income. The shouldn't surprise anybody. Now in my judgment joe biden. Ran on this phrase git. Build back better. That's weird because all sorts of world leaders did that weird and i contend that in march of last year everything began to change. Sort of like things are being reset in a way. You know what i mean. And we're being told that the floating this idea of the call him stimulus checks but they will turn into universal basic income for people and this would put a lot of people exactly where the wants them and that is beholden to government. Now they take programs and they attach this word free and you and i both know. That's an utter scam just remembering a phone call. That came to you. I wish i could find this or the team. Could we're rush. Ran a guy through the. Tell me again how this is free phenomenon. The phone which is hilarious. But there's this this. Bothersome dynamic college was to be made more affordable by pouring federal dollars into it so on one hand you're taking people in putting them into college who have absolutely no skin in the game. It's not their money. Therefore they don't care about the outcome. Another thing you did was pour money into the colleges. And i'm using the phrase poor on purpose if you picture a water jug it's already eighty five percent full. It's not that much effort to fill up the rest of it right right. Same with colleges if taxpayers are forced to pour money into colleges and big universities even harvard with their sixty billion dollar endowment or whatever it is. I think it's around fifty billion fifty sixty billion when we're forced to give the money. They know that that money is going to flow. All they need. Is that fifteen percent and what happens is they can do things that stand in stark opposition to education and becomes indoctrination because they're freed up from any fiscal concern so consequently they can charge enormous rates. Because we're gonna continue to pour water into their jug because we're forced to pour water under their jug and there's your free college. Healthcare rush spoke in the last hour from the archives about competing for employees after. I think it was four. Two there was competition from place but the government said hey. That's not fair that some people are getting overtime. We need everybody to have jobs. So they capped no overtime and they capped you know. Put a bunch of caps on how you could hire people and pay them compensate them so businesses started to say. Hey let's let's buy healthcare for people pay for their healthcare insurance here came the government and said oh that's a benefit we're going to tax that and control it. Consequently it became attached to the job as a consequence of that bureaucrats. Did what bureaucrats do. There's now seventeen paper pushers for avery one doctor into healthcare system people checking boxes. Boom there go the rates insurance. All the sudden you're required to purchase a product. You don't want from a company don't like for services you don't need at prices you cannot afford prices go up. But it's free dynamic exist with retirement and with so-called affordable housing multiple sources will tell you there's a liberal radio host in seattle decades of liberal talk. This guy's good guy socialist maybe communist but sort of a nice guy who had on his program a guy who said yeah. It's far more expensive to build. Low cost apartments in seattle an apartment in apartment for five hundred thousand dollars. You can build luxury homes to this day outside. The settled area for less of a friend of mine. Who is a is a construction professional. He says it's always thirty to forty percent more expensive to build low income housing. He was building a low income. Housing said why are we using the top of the line faucet. I i have trouble talking my clients in wealthy neighborhoods into putting us into their homes because they cost so much so affordable housing becomes more expensive. There are consultant upon consultant etcetera. On top of these things. Free is expensive because free means free of charge to them more for more frost to pay so rush of course was brilliant at an wiring. This this sort of dynamic now in this clip. There's a lot here k. Rush uses a really quick subtle devastating quip to spotlight the echoing of nothing the sound brain on even elementary economics that the rest of us learned on saturday morning cartoons. But then listen. Closely rush reveals that accidentally endorses. The trump tax cuts my friends. I love this in a way. Because i've been theorizing lately about how telling people that we can't afford it. Not a reason to do something doesn't work anymore with these people because it doesn't matter that we don't have the money for do anything. We've got deficits twenty-one trigger national debt. It's not stopping anybody from spending more proposing the spend any more and now they're coming outages being honest it doesn't matter whether we have the money or not and if we don't just print it now they're in the millennial population we literally have a bunch of young people who believe that the earth is not gonna be habitable when they hit sixty five. I've tried to tell you they really believe this but political story. The democrat party's basis rallying. Around calls for massive social welfare programs like medicare for all federal jobs guarantee agree new deal all of which would cost trillions of dollars and potentially bust the budget yet a small but growing chorus of progressive. Say that policymakers are thinking about deficits all wrong deficits. And not that big a deal. Cortez told business insider last month. A notion at the government needn't worry about balancing. Its books should be a larger part of our conversation. If we run out of money we just print some. She says we haven't had any money for a long time. We're not gonna let that stop us. We're not gonna let people use the fact that we don't have the money. Stop us so now. We go to the audio soundbites. Npr's morning edition. Steve inskeep was interviewing cortez about the green new deal. You're talking about things. Obviously we cross a lot of money. And you don't specify where the money's going to come from other than saying it'll all pay for itself. Yeah i think the first thing we need to do is is kind of break. The mistaken idea that taxes pay for one hundred percent of government. Expenditure it's just not how government expenditure works. We can recoup costs but oftentimes you look at for example the gop tax cut. Which i think was an irresponsible. Use of government expenditure but government projects are often financed by a combination of taxes deficit spending and other kinds of of investments bonds. You know vaughn's she just figured out that taxes do not fully fund government. I mean anybody that knows. There's a deficit knows that this is pointless. The first thing we need to do is kind of break. The mistaken idea that taxes pay for a one hundred percent of government expenditure government. Expenditure is off the charts. There's nowhere near the tax revenue. We can't be. We're twenty one trillion dollars. National debt annual budget deficit forty eight hundred billion dollars. Anybody and that's the problem. You can't tax your way out of fiscal irresponsibility. The course to these people. The answer simply print more money. Next question. I get that. But but deficit spending is borrowing money. It has to be paid back eventually somehow like through taxes. Yeah and i think that is always the crux of it. So when we decide to go into the realm of deficit spending we have to do so responsibly. We ask is this an investment or is this actually going to pay for itself. Or you're saying borrow the money make the investment. The economy will grow will pay off the debt. Absolutely because we're creating jobs. This woman has no idea what she just said he says. So you're saying borrow the money. Make the investment. The economy will grow will pay off the debt. Absolutely answer because we're creating judge. She just described the trump tax cut. Which in the previous vite. She tried to rip the shred. Let's see subtle. were talking about earlier about rushes. listening white seventy five percent of winning. An argument is listening intently. So out of this segment. Maybe just ask any persuadable friends that you have. Why everything the government says. They're going to make affordable or free ends up being more expensive in if they think that's gonna change with this universal basic income that they're floating by way of calling it stimulus plans. There's a lot more to get to in fact a rush limbaugh prank call. Nope not someone prank calling him. El rushbo making a prank call as we continue. Todd herman your guide host this week on the eib network. Todd herman your guide host this week on the eib network. Now we're gonna wind back into history with here. But i want you to listen for an economic point because i'm gonna make one an end. It came to me as i listened to this so this was back when rush worked at w i z In pennsylvania's dj. And we're not sure. This may have been the jeff christie as you remember that now that said even when maha rushie was playing a prank. He made a point about government spending. I have a little joke. I'm gonna play on a light company. We'll will call him up on the phone. Right now was ringing. Cheer aloe duquesne customer service. Hi there how are you good. Listen i have a question for you. And i hope you can answer it own attire. Best well i just moved here from florida and i have Thing for palm trees and as you probably know there aren't any around here not that anyway. Why got a big backyard. I wanted to start a palm tree orchard and the only way to do this is with heat lamps. And i wanted to put about fifteen or twenty thousand of them out there and i wanted to know if you can quote me a price on how much it's gonna cost me per month twenty thousand lamps. Yeah know. Many watt clamp is about six hundred watts per lamp. He one thousand eight lamps for this ponzi orchards. Around fifteen thousand okay. You're going to run and how many hours a day twenty twenty hours a day. Six hundred watts wait a second. Yeah on the average now. New three thousand six hundred and forty dollars a day. Are you kidding kidding. Like thirty bucks a month. Maybe away got over. One nine million watts her three thousand bucks a day right. You got fifteen thousand light bulbs thea. I could move to florida cheaper than that. Fifteen thousand light bulbs wants peace comes out to about nine million to one hundred and twenty thousand watt. I don't even think we have a right to accommodate that three thousand dollars a day thousand six hundred and forty dollars. Thanks but moved. Back to florida palm trees. But thank you for your time and trouble okay. Bye-bye so hey. If he'd been growing pot from eib asked he'd get federal subsidy for that. Be the economic point government would say okay case in point joe biden's dementia is offering to spend five hundred thousand dollars of your money to improve the woke masks. That don't work. Can't work that. Mechanical engineering chemical engineering. The the can't case. In case in point i wanted to spend this money. Well justin heart at rational ground looked at this. Two and a half months. After germany mandated medical grade masks for improved education. The seven day average of new cases is now higher than before that mandate and just to put a point within a point in an exclamation point on this there's an israeli startup who's already invented a woke mask. They say stops it all. I mean he can't breathe in it but you're not going to get the cove it can't breathe but you might get Have long stock to mark sioux city. Iowa mark you're on the russian program. Todd herman your guide hosts. I'm glad you called mark. What's on your mind sir colin because it is it kind of barricading. Listen to people talk about these good union jobs in republicans can never stay on message. I wish they fire back. You know seventy percents country doesn't have a union job in you know when you get a union job. It's just part of the payoff at the democratic party. And it just. It's it's highly you're taking it. It's just a You know we never stay on message. It doesn't seem like i get my head over that about the nineteen eighty nine. And i flatten my tail off but didn't let me let me make one point about what you said. I when i worked at the chief digital strategies. I tried to get us to go after the unions and and we did. Some things like informed. Union workers that there were golf courses outside of detroit where they weren't allowed to go but the bosses could go and it infuriated these guys. What do you mean. I can't go. Yeah that that's a union boss. Only place there is a turning on this. But you're right that the national republicans are seizing on this. The freedom foundation has what is it. Now they've got cases in oregon. It's racketeering rico. Type cases forgery type cases. It's about unions. I think trying to keep people in membership even though they have the right to leave. That's been now a law for some time or at least the supreme court ruling so there are people who attacked but it is not it is not enough of the senior republicans. Who are doing this. Because they're afraid it would be a great thing. Look the one of the things that we should do. Mark in if we if people understand the stakes of the battle rush said weren't death struggle with communism we are. It's a weird form of communism its authoritarian and in corporate entities are getting involved in this coke is now out demanding the legislature change a a voting bill voting integrity bill. Delta airlines came out against this. Because there's no they're free riders. There's no cost for being woke and there's a lot more to it than that one of the things that we should do is start to tell union members the truth of what the unions are doing with their money. You talk about corporate pay disparity the you have a ten and twenty times disparity in the union bosses versus the workers and this is cases where the money's taken by force by government force right in many cases in still ninety percent of the cases. You do business with corporate entities by choice not always because the democrats are engineering a system. Where again we purchase products from companies. We don't want prices. We can't afford for services we don't need and that's this reset model. That's what we're seeing a lot of. But you make a great point about the union jobs. And look i have no problem. You want to join a private union. Go ahead my problem is really with the government unions that point we're not negotiating with you. It's the government negotiating with its biggest donors. That's not sustainable. That word sustainable rush discovered something about that word. I can't wait to share it with you. We'll do that next taught. Herman your guide host this week on the eib network. The left is better than republicans at a thing called brand hanger. This is where you take unknown item. And you wrap yourself around it. It's madison avenue thing. So they'll take a word like justice and it's meaningless the way they say it but it's such a beautiful word just a little trick. When people speak of justice sake. I'm sorry for whom and it just. It won't change the mind of a cultist on the left but it can get other people around you thinking of justice. For whom and they've done this with the word sustainability and it's a magic word to them and it shouldn't surprise none of us that it was rush. Who found this one single word this a key left issues and their shells to manipulate the emotions of all. Too many millennials. Now this stuff. I've been concerned i love. America wanted to continue to be the greatest place on earth. I want everybody in this country to be able to maximize the opportunity that liberty and freedom give them and it's liberty and freedom that are under assault by these people that are demanding conformity in speech and behavior demanding conformity and acceptance and we see it manifesting itself. It's the climate change west that is keeping people poor. Let's take an imaginary african country. Let's call it. San cordova and san cordova has a per capita income. Fourteen dollars a week and their people live. There are an absolute poverty and their government is a tyranny. They've got some general. That's the president and the common dante. Whatever and people just have nothing but somebody discovers oil somebody. Discovers are big pool of oil underneath sand cordova. What greenpeace do what is al gore do what environments wackos day. Come in there and they forbid them from getting it because getting it will pollute getting it will destroy will upset the equal balance in the ocean off the coast of san cordova and so the means of a rising standard of living in a country. Coming out of poverty will be unavailable to them because powerful forces you. It'll be in. They're demanding san cordova because they're trying to phase out fossil fuels. Have you seen all. These automobile manufacturers now promising. Who wasn't that aston. Martin said twenty thirty or twenty forty. They won't have any more internal combustion engine cars and that caused a an avalanche of other companies announcing the same thing in i. It's asinine it's simply asinine. And they're believing a market for these things exist. That doesn't if people that bought tesla's and previous weren't subsidized to buy them. You think they'd be selling the way they are. If the government wasn't subsidizing tesla to the tune of five billion dollars do you think they would be making as many as they are market may be there for them someday. But the market isn't there. It's being forced on us on the belief that the internal combustion engine is destroying the climate and thus destroying world. And that leads. Stephen hawking in these other clowns at we got bandon urge. If we're going to survive. We gotta colonize an asteroid or mars fox. We aren't close to even go back to the what's less going to mars and columbine we're not even close to this but kids are being educated with this. It's being inculcated. It's being forced into them and they all believe this stuff and it's gonna have an impact as grow older. I mean some of the things are being taught actually is near criminal. The internal combustion engine and the discovery and market uses petroleum products. Free flow of oil at market prices has been the difference maker and we have done a better job. Nation the work cleaning up our mess in terms of our pollution and so forth and to tell people that this that they primary fuel and engine of prosperity is a culprit in destroying. The planet is near criminal but it continues apace pace and so these kids grow up and then they go to college and they get degrees in pr or marketing advertising and then they get hired and you get a story like this this is from a business insider dot com inside a london and m.'s. Are going to promote wind. Power in new tv ad campaign. Chocolate brand eminem's will promote wind power in a global advertising campaign set to run later this year and into two thousand eighteen hang on chocolate and pet food giant mars inc. That's the hymns announced a one billion dollar. Wait for it. Here's the words sustainability. That's how you own millennials. Tell them it's sustainable. And they'll support it. Tell them it's not sustainable. And he'll oppose it whatever. It is sustainable sex. They love it. Sustainable sustainable sewage. It's even great. Unsustainable doesn't work so it's an every story that is appealing to attempting to capture millennials. A one billion dollar sustainability drive aiming to do its bit to tackle climate change. What's happened here. A bunch of indoctrinated millennials now working at an advertising agency somewhere and maybe at mars have grown up and they've been taught this stuff and now they're they're implementing it into their day today work and we wonder why more conservative message just can't break through the conservative message of self reliance and rugged individualism and be the best. You can be the on the old standby recipe for success. That's laughed at mocked now. Sustainability is the dog whistle when you see the word sustainability understand that it is here a goal that cliche again but it's liberalism behind it and liberalism is not good. No and it's not and is really hard that keith in the folks. we're talking about this earlier. It's hard to fight feelings. So if i could just add one thing just suggest one thing. Sometimes if it's hard to approach people to get them out of the lie of sustainability because it is a little bit complex go through some of the key. Some of the demonstrable lies in for me. I use woke masks. Use them with young people. Wrap them up in three medical masks and open box of pizza in front of him. If they can tell what's there they get to eat it lesson. You smell the pizza. They're lying to you about the masks. About what else are they lying. It's just a simple pragmatic lesson in rush was pragmatic about many things. When it came to suggesting something of real value for you he spoke up in the last year. He took notice of a cell phone company offering something of real value. The company's pure talk with every one of their employees working right here in the united states their offer is compelling you shop for the best price you can find on insurance on home mortgages on vacation travel. Maybe even cheeseburgers. I don't know so why not do the same thing with cellular phone service. Your cell phone number is your own and who you choose for cellular services all up to you. One company makes such a compelling offer it's worth thinking about. It's pure talk. They offer you unlimited talk text and six gigs of data for just thirty dollars a month and guess what if you go over on the data. They don't charge you for it. pure talk. Compare that monthly price thirty dollars a month to your current cell phone bill. And you'll see why it makes sense to change now. I don't know what your cell phone bill is. But i would wager you that it's sixty bucks or more maybe honored and twenty maybe seventy five or more this outfit. Pure talk is offering you unlimited talk unlimited text and six gigs of data for thirty dollars a month. Now pure talk knows. They're in the same business with the likes of. At and t and verizon and t. mobile. In fact get this. They use the same cell towers of one of the big companies that covers ninety nine percent. The country they offer superior service one hundred percent of the pure customer support team is right here in america so you make one phone call to them. Today you can start to save money by switching to pure talk. All you do is get your cell phone and dial pound two fifty next year. Say pure talk. It's that simple. You'll save fifty percent off your first month. That's pound two five ot and then say pure talk one of the pure talk customer service people be right there on the phone to help you and by the way. It's legit thirty dollars a month unlimited. Talk text and six gigs of data. I've tried to phone call. And it is legit. We come back. What if we went just a little bit further back and had a childhood prank. That rush remembers on this april. Fool's dates todd. Herman guide host this week on the next hour. Something that the mohawk knew about donald trump was that he is a fighter in this is so vile fact we drive by caller utah. A getting into going to flood the zone at the school. Board's bless you for that and be. He says he's going to run against romney and see he says president trump was not conservative. Enough he also says that there's more trump's being born in the biden arison next hour rush explaining to fight and be giving you some examples of where the rush limbaugh donald trump partnership has changed for the better a lot of gop politicians will get to that sector. Jimmy in livonia michigan jimmy russia's show taught herman your guide host this week. Welcome jimmy. what's on your mind sir. Hi todd how are you sir. Great yeah tonight. I wish i was able to talk to rush before. He left But anyway I hope Our our elected officials are listening to me Because i'll tell you we as a. w. workers have elections every year. And they think this. Debbie stabenow debbie dingle. I hope they're listening because we have elections every year. And if they're gonna try and pass this. Hr one where you know. You don't anybody. Willy nilly can come in and vote. Then we might. We might not have. I d Checks for our elections that we have for our union elections. So you know i. I hope they're listening because I'm sure there's a lot of uaw members out there that that agree with me on this on this issue i've been the uaw member for forty years. And i must tell you what Rush changes me. So i'm i'm out of that little swamp area that they that they live in. But i appreciate what you're saying. No it's a great point about those elections. I would just add this. It's not just the unions breaking nine. One one on twitter has a screenshot of the coca cola company. Their ceo is out. Is out criticizing the the georgia election integrity law. Saying it's can't be had it can't stand at sector to paraphrase him. According to this screen from breaking nine eleven coca cola requires a valid photo. Id to be admitted into their shareholder meetings. And they're criticizing. This is a great point and it crosses a lot of different realms from unions to corporates. Woke sers who are playing that game appreciate the fo call. Jimmy and. I'm glad that you're putting the politicians on notice. Information is potential power. Let's make power by using the information and that's the way to do it. Hey we're going to call out our own unions for the stuff right. There is in indisp- power that we have. The power was made possible because rush presented things often with great humor because it cooked people to the program such a great lesson for us grab the audience. Before we tried to convince them of our points it has to be entertaining and compelling rush was remembering a prank that he played back in the day and he played really silly phone pranks that were such fun. This is audio sound. Bite number ten. We played cellphone tricks. My brother and i friends. It was our pastime and every time we tried one irena right. We