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CM4  Counsels of Mercy from the writings of Venerable Bruno Lanteri O.M.V.  Discerning Hearts Podcast

Discerning Hearts - Catholic Podcasts

00:55 sec | 1 year ago

CM4 Counsels of Mercy from the writings of Venerable Bruno Lanteri O.M.V. Discerning Hearts Podcast

"The councils of mercy an expert from the writings of Venerable Brunel Land Terry founder of the oblates of the Virgin. Mary be of good courage. But your heart be joyful Give yourself as completely as you can to. God banish any doubts until God that you never wish consciously to do anything that would displease him for the rest. Do not be troubled. God is with you and we'll help you and will not let you fall for more excerpts shirts from the writings of Venerable Brisson Terry visit discerning hearts dot COM

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Episode 274  Reeling Back the Years

I Confess I'm a Geek!

37:17 min | 6 months ago

Episode 274 Reeling Back the Years

"Good evening it's friday. The thirtieth of october and is episode two hundred and seventy four over. I confess on my geek yes. It's david dein here in maidenhead in the uk. Welcome back another. Showed his actually take three hundred nightmare. Today i ha- tried afflict malign second time i was having some background noise and the third time i went for full ten minutes before realize press record. How cool is that believable anyways bidding them. It's been a good week actually for me. I've taken some time out this week from work and are the stuff trying to chill Pretty hectic work in the moment so it really good to have some time to gather my thoughts and think about the next few months Especially in this going on around us so good to do that. And and deep breath. I'm ready for monday. Back into the fray but a enjoyed myself in terms of relaxing this week on enjoyed moi new hi fi system not put together last few weeks so Let me three different bits of it. In case you're interested so speakers my birthday paraphrase small cue sticks gotten very cheap Sixty pounds or so. They were sort of open open. Stock never used and when they came they were indeed that segment within one with the material original packing and everything. Very heavy very substantial. She'd made him britain getting realized And very very good sounding actually episode. Please those Tape deck did go. Smoothly taught me three attempts to buy one that worked properly. I won the heads. were atrocious. Pay pay much so should have expected no less. So that's the that one out another one patriot. More four it had been serviced. Allegedly but when rallying those horrendous wound flutter on some back and definitely recalled at the beginning of every type and locking side there was some damage to one of the heads of his bits of plastic inside so not good and that was a nice sony deck so pushed the boats outpedaled bit more again and got one happened properly by the sound of it but if a higher spec so dolby s b and c three head motorized the light behind the tape and that was being terrific really good etc that mukasey econ have it too close to the empty fire otherwise you get a little bit of a background To it so. I had to come up with a plan so adored report a again another Refurbish stroke open unused item. There's a lot of these. I think it must get technical. Refer to send them out again. This is a cambridge audio receiver again. Paid less than eighty pound for only a really good condition. What mint condition Remote control instructions original packaging tra Sounds fantastic real heavy duty Big heavy magnet. Inam the ways ton i didn't realize amps so heavy at this thing is quite substantial but it was generating like audible. I think externally which you'd expect from a top of amphitheater but also generating now on the tape deck thinks dude magnetic fields and everything but Once i added a cd player cambridge audio cd. Mashed exactly slow. Remote control works and everything that seems to have a fix. The problem made may own speaker cables. Banana plugs should have never done before. Almost like i'm revisiting my youth because i never really own day quality. Hi fi deck I started off. I mean my very first radio set was a cheap job Some some far east thing. That was very good. And i a spit water on it after a few months and fully in control crackled but it was great for recording the chart of the radio. I think everyone didn't those days. And then i started hankering missed being hours about fifteen sixteen and after the huge amstrad portable thing that was in the window of cool room. Polos who radio rentals or somewhere huge double cassette thing view view lights and things and it had full wavebands and i think it was. It was an enormous sum of seventy five pounds. And i've got here. I think saved apple combination of that unbirthday money And i love that thing. I did find out While using it though that the quality wasn't as good. As i may be. I thought it was gonna be in very good. Hurt making things really impressive when it came down to the quality little bit dubious although saying that my dad's hifi systems amstrad but it has made a would it was As well and it was allegedly a cobra phonics system with slide controls and everything Actually quite impressive Presume got me into buying the amstrad so a stroke. Who don't without for a while and then i I worked to look for a long time. And they used to sell amstrad's and benetton's alba's nothing comes to boot One of those member those hi fi systems that are not like a cabinet that looked like they were stuck in unions but route really And the back. There was nothing there. I had one of them. in silver. I think for a while and then i think i graduated. I think it must have been about the mid-eighties Not remember what i connected it to bomb for. Cd player which is techniques and absolutely astounded and bowled over by the by the same quality But yeah. I'm trying to think what happened next. Yeah i think had a pioneer separates unit few years later and they go stolen in a burglary and then collapsed in ohio. After that actually. Mr being using computers and things to play. Cd certainly never tape date because it may be an akhara to a nice about great five. Been trying to play a an album through once a day He's don't listen to albums these days to you is more streaming. Listen to tracks here and the remaining The prices of sets especially cds is still quite cheap. And plentiful the cassettes trying to find. Good quality cassettes in the seventies and eighties is quite hard and the oldest one. I've got. I've found a paul mccartney one band on the run and his forty eight years old makes me feel really old Although i didn't really discover his music until many years later Yes very interesting. Trying to find a cassette suspension ebay. But a couple of duffer's where they just have been tested and they just don't work basically Pay slightly more than one to two for a couple of my old favorites Berea really enjoyed it. the one thing. I have been surprised with these findings. Blank cassettes 'cause you want to play around and make recordings and things And of course doesn't seem to be anyone making them anymore or the mainstream people so gallon ebay can find people selling must be old stuff and from from ten years or so ago. Couple of pound two pound fifty for blank cassette but managed to find employment just check. They've sold out now richer sound. Remember them that used to be a place where in fact i think a couple of pieces from them in the past these to sell a still do so high fi separates somehow got hold of some maxell tapes Five packs of ninety minute ones setting for two pounds a pack which is unbelievably cheap Mice get a couple of days before they sold out And it sounds like this would stock that was sold to pound stretcher. Many years ago. Oversee by the pallet An pan stretcher. I think have come and gone a couple of times in terms of ownership so somehow the stock has ended up a richer. Sounds and they've been sending them through. And i think that they must be fifteen years old packs by cancer really. Good the new sort of your standard called the tea but Yeah they sound sound sound. Good make really good recordings decent tape deck. Don't underestimate how good quality A cassette concerned about my wife couldn't believe i was buying cassette decks. Really sound awful Well the public dade when you're a kid and you play them on your twenty five pound cassette radio thing or you paid in you in your car and cost stereos and many years ago whenever that good at but actually on decent quality cassette decks an i've learned learned so much actually i've learned that A branco nakamachi is the creme de la creme that can dragon. Apparently is the The the the top one you can go full lows buttons and stuff on it way onto my price. that's the thing about hi fi Ye can spend anything from ten for a second hand amp up too many tens of thousands if you really wanted to i. I'm not being seeing people. Sending cable four hundred pounds at to speak leads. Four hundred pounds an apple a role of cable from amazon for six and then some banana plugs for seven and made two leads Which was good fun. Actually not emphasize banana plugs. Before the show's shows. I never really played with quality kit in my day. But that's been quite nice at rediscovering. It and i'll go cheap set of headphones as well so i can listen impeach not disturbing the rest of the house when i need to nice having having just there and the tech deck especially fantastic when it's going and Yeah yeah silver capturing recapturing my youth which has been great fun. Yeah i was doing as chapman. Notes has been fairly overactive Couple of weeks. Isn't it up a new phone vitam holding now so like i think. I told everybody decided to miss out on the iphone. Twelve pro and this year and have gone for this spoke standard iphone. Twelve a blue to beautiful blue nevada blue fame before But i've come with one hundred twenty eight gig of tech a couple of photos and actually that the stunning Unbelievable photos so that was the only thing for me. That was different with the pro with the camera of i've lost a lens of lost the an of lost zoom lens i think and maybe a little bit on video recording actually For nearly half the price on a monthly basis. Now i think this is a really nice phone. I can really now up on a pin on the ten hours for awhile. While 'cause i am i ditched. I saw sold a must hold you this last time at a degree the price with one of these recycling and tech think we talked about last time didn't because they used to sell silence and things I was worried. I was going to miss out on their price of six hundred and twenty seven pounds from my old iphone eleven pro. It was fantastic. So i boxed it up. Scented off A full. I think the monday of the keynote to make sure we got there and it was the day after the wednesday and took him maybe three or four days to receive it process it and they said because it was an expensive phone they wanted proof of ownership that it wasn't on contract photo driving license and to be fair. They paid out that day when asked for all that soar stuff so they were very very efficient in the end in. My phone was in mint condition so there was no qualms about the condition or anything. She fantastic so that. That's good so made literally a mini on that. So like i said. Last time i got to settle with apple. Four hundred seventy pounds and sold the phone. Six to seven and i'm still owed believe it or not For the balance of my apple care from from apple apple of being a pooling to be honest. i'm. I'm really disappointed in them. So when i am settled my loan which was way back. Think twenty eight. September some means slightly earlier settled my. I was on the apple upgrade programs you have to settle settler thing where i got the food incentive pound from while founder. Actually that you've been you takeout. You'll initial loan. You're actually buying to us with of upper castes. Every cellphone a year ahead or your satellite you loan. You're entitled to half that money back so Promised quoted a refund of ninety seven pounds by apple for cashing in the apple. Care and they have no choice they said was but to send it to barclays who who settled alone with direct to me for some reason old. I'd have to wait two weeks. You two weeks nothing. Contact barclays said. They hadn't received it contacted apple. Said they send it Waited another week and a half complained to barclays. Sent me a snotty letter saying they haven't had and he's he's Final letter and if you want to take it up you got six months with the financial ombudsman or speak to apple. So of course adds to again and they fact about they had to say well. We've sentate we've sent it. Nobody hadn't a now have been passed. Some incompetent in the apple financial department who Because it's an insurance product. I think he's got to go through a formal process. You to understand brisson. It's not gonna five six later. Nana's still haven't gotten onto seven pound back from the two trillion. Dollar company is apple to find immensely Ironic ironic So the the guy from this department sent me a letter addressed to a completely different person. The different agreement number which. I found quite Worrying then the second time he sent me a letter is all by email letters emails with the actual thing and it gave out a day. One so twenty. Third of october is day one day. Twenty is the nineteenth. Tober sarah if you've got that wrong you've you've you've come back in time here No apology sent me another letter with my name spelt wrong just incompetent and i'm still waiting for my ninety. Seven pound from apple is almost like metre principal now They only ninety seven pound for insurance products. That are haven't had the benny hill. And they still haven't got around to refunding which i think is a polling Not great at all. Don't fall out very often apple. You know have been the past of ben tie pads and and whatever but i think just processing. A refund should be simple. I said to the very very nice lady from the Apple care hotline the via dem ninety seven pound that be asking me for it constantly and they will give me anything until intellect given him the ninety seven pounds but because they made the money is like taking weeks so proud. That could be waking up to sixty days now which is unbelievable. I don't know how long it takes to find out where these ninety seven pounds is or just give me. And then if they find out they've lost in their own system. Then find it. Anyway so i knew renting renting renting renting Yes so i sent off my Phone of contact with very very good coin prevalent used them in the future An my sim card in my old apple iphone three g. That was an experience. You so forget the things you don't get access to only web pages at work what there's some work with everything from the absent didn't exist. That work on it so it just turned into basically a A phone would you believe often phoned a week. We can half. And i paid my watch to my work phone beautiful pain because i couldn't restore my by watch to that phone because it was a different phone Without restoring the whole phone to find what we'd Anyway that was paying. This and a phone arrived of on monday. Through friday for some reason because i think trust to order it got problems on the website. Get an error. Message is not an email come through singapore so anyway but by the time that happened today to slip by two days and arrived on the monday Very slim box. Because you don't get the Mains adaptor anymore Very impressive the phone. So far audible myself. A case from espn from amazon A clear once they can still see the nice dark blue. And it's lovely lot the squareness of any good for me because it helps me differentiate and between This phone number work for not just by color and but by shape as well steps in your pocket. I can still work which phone. I'm touching which is good yeah so Very pleased that. And i'm pleased have gone for the i'm paying. What thirty five pound amounts now instead of fifty nine Couldn't really justify the twenty pound twenty three pounds of extra for the pro. Now saying that i might be in a different frame of mind next year When when that time arrives So that's me done. I think for apple for this year are not going to buy at need on enough speakers. Better with the high fis in the house as well now. Although i am quite tempted to buy an cambridge oh to a stream. High resolution audio stream that matches my kids so tempted brits very expensive. So we'll have to wait for that bit longer. I think Gonna speak is nice house you know. How important mini max safe. Assure about Maxine case but on quite rule to the max safe car holder could have two phones. One can go in the wireless bit pad thing go into copper one phone with the other ones lost so i could sort of snap onto a holder that plugged into my charging thing and then charge just by magnetising it to that thing. That'd be quite good so might keep an eye out for that folk doing one i think. Sr of announced one so need to wait until lows come onto the market properly but then it does mean. I think. I need to buy new case seems to be anyway. That's what you got to do. We go by case with a mac safe thing in it without big circle on the back to not sakina nod. I think we shall. We shall see so yeah. I think i've been playing with wages while i was getting a bit over excited by this Car huge created. Would you smith Which is a way of customizing. You and then he so look into it. And he's like a subscription model which are not keen on Put up the linkin lincolnshire notes. You want to play with that Be my guest. let me know how you on But we point had fun playing with wages and fun so playing with automations shortcuts and things as well the thing too fancy but anyway I also found a foot link in the show again. A emulator Four an atari s tina. The atari st was one of my very first proper computers. How spectrum a one to eight k plus two. I think it was cold. It was the one with integrated cassette deck. For those that can customize back not far but the atari st which bought it selfridge's the three hundred ninety nine pounds including twenty games. I think he was just five. Twenty s. t. f. m. from memory at a floppy disk drive and everything a fantastic love them machine than they upgraded it to an s. t. e. That had stereo sound slightly bay chip. I think mobile memory upgrade ability I'm having to monitors black and white one a set fantastic monochrome abilities this thing for desktop publishing then a phillips c three three member them color monitor archie be and i even booed a modem for it and how dr nothing mentioned this before but my first hard drive was basically a standard sauce. Hard drive I d e interface. A thing than to buy scuzzy to id adopt a thing and then you had to mount into a box with a power supply and there was some guy. Advertising the micro mart you did in favor of because he wasn't advertising a business. But i tried to do. I couldn't do. He put it into a box for me. The power supply. That was complicated. Bit for me. Twenty mchower draft tuned coup. This hardrock twenty meg. Gig meg But that made such a difference. And i even mounted though is a pc emulator Coppee speed and a chip on a little bored ninety nine quid which you fitted on top of a chip inside the case Remember too scary for me for some of that but is great because then you had a haunt where. Pc an t would are coming. Spec two eight six. Maybe i've in that president thing. I before two eight six and that means i could run. Pc programs natively on the sat using hardware which meant academic access bulletin boards. And all that sort of stuff Which is amazing. That was i mean. Churchill internet bulletin boards gore and downloading. A picture of abuse quality that took half an hour Own member. yeah. God that was those days are great. Gosh your kids you've done a boon anyway. Isn't emulator that you can mess about with tony whether you got your email. Got my email from apple announcing that we call free apple tv plus now until february which nicer because it was about to run out tomorrow. I think So that's good news And like everybody else Maxine joining a bad stuff on there. ted so absolutely amazing the best program i think has been voted in critics. Critics have announced as the best program apple. Tv of cutout that. But i'm i really am the dan. I think i agree with him. But i'm also looking forward to For all mankind Which was the spacey thing An i to the greyhound film. And i'm hoping that they by james bond. Because that's been rumored as well But yeah could it free now until the end of feb Which is. I don't know how it's gonna work after route today. So spoke thirsty. Thursday friday friday today. Isn't it yes friday That the apple only one bundles. Mike announced tomorrow. How does that work. Then if erode devoted paid or you get one free for three months to get a discount tonight so we shall see what happens tomorrow Because i'm certainly going to go full the middle one Need the family music. Because i share that with my dad It doesn't pay for but when he shouts he's alexa google. He's actually google assistant. He gets music Could see me from apple music which is good so i need to keep that going I pay four well. I'd like to keep apple tv. Although you know. I enjoy was there. But there isn't enough content What my picking up arcade now and see how that's progressed. And i pay for storage pay for two hundred gigabytes. Now they they should really up in guy bit bit rubbish But yeah. We'll see what happens tomorrow. It was also announced last week. That does now an xbox which i haven't tried yet mistrial. It might even try this after noon where you can stream gangs from your xbox on your ipad Control that works. So we'll go later Bit like the playstation one. Which i've got blood never really played with much The person configurations on the playstation tends to be a bit if he takes you better on the xbox in fat controller solve aspect improved no end with the latest iowa. So that should make a really big difference Oh yeah soloist as well as something which My interest a few people You can buy a freebie books so for those like me. That don't pay sky. Freeview discuss a hard drive in its members Like a sky plus cheat one because once it's paid for it's painful that has free free sorry has android built into it android tv so that means it's an all in one box basically uses a heart rally for colder freeview viewers. You'd be like tv should've anyway but you can record from freebies and golic is actually quite good also google tv built-in sick access to i player It my five blahdy blahdy blah all built in still. Don't get channel forty or don't think on android tv forever reason Because i can't get on the shield mister met. I've hacked my shoe to install the new android tv interface which takes a couple of seconds to get going but once is there was actually quite nice so this might be good. I'll put lincoln lincolnshire and it's good for some people want an all in one solution With all the the apps and everything in and the hard drive to record from tv which is good So a couple of couple of little deals fear here a couple of one one. I shamelessly of stolen from the macintosh show. So thank you for the guys there. for denounce stephen call. I didn't know this existed. But you can actually buy youtube premium from india afoot. Relinquish its tells you how it works. Basically i'm paying that one pound thirty a month because i paid for youtube premium in repeats. just go to use a vpn and it works And it's great not to have those bleeding. Adverts are used to get rounded by renegade and oprah but you can't beat the youtube app and of course now it works on Apple tb on my vr headset. All that now is advert free which is great. So won't panthers. Thirty pound Compound thirty a month is what is worth Would never even close to paying nineteen ninety nine a month for free youtube near the do the ball game. It's about certain apps so We will rock think Apple maps or google maps and phones in our cars. The in house. Whatever sat nothing again wherever call. You've got but you remember tom. Tom tom tom were the thing when they back in the day I remember in fact. My first experience percent nap wasn't even a gps unit. I used to live in Newport in shropshire for wall in nineteen tauch. When was it would have been eighty six eighty seven something not and there was a shop in shift Cool the trading post marvelous shop at. It's to down to it and needs to settle a secondhand stuff of shutler around here actually And the guy was episode. Nice guy we go go in there. I know once every couple of weeks and chatting about computers and all that sort of stuff and the Almost ended the stereotype is autopsies nose and pose a a disc box underneath the counter. I'm put on top of it. All looked through their cv. Fancy anything and it was lows of poverty discs basically. I don't think he wasn't out to so party. I think he'd got the from somewhere and in their Was autoroute express philipe c. Which i think was hundred two pounders four five hundred pounds in those days so i think paid like two pound to these. Two discs. Took them home and a believable. That was not the best thing i was. Running routes were of the country. Had you get from bradford to birmingham birmingham to penzance. And this thing wasn't like wasn't savvy just did a route planner basically and for me. That was oh gosh. That was living in the future. And of course. Stanley we progress then to Well actually not sadness. I i used to have a. Pda adele axiom x five o. v. Five huge brute of thing. He's to eat three batteries. There's no tamara. Ran windows ce. So size gosh four. Iphones i think this thing. And he had to buy a had a cf compactflash slow in the top and you could buy a gps adapter which is slot in the top. I think i'm getting this right. And then used to mount in the car had to plug it into power because of the ones that will die within an hour And then used to run Tom tom you could get tom-tom to run on this thing megyn. Gps and that became my very first satin after before they ring cars. Gosh this is before all those days. This thing ran actually quite well And then tom. Toms bring out all these units. That started quite expensive than got quite cheap today. But tom-tom always made the best maps for long long time. In fact i think they still provide mapping data to use to for apple and for many of the companies always dutch. I think tom tom knight anyway. Tomtoms to exists as a as a thing still by tom. Tom sat believe. But the also make an app for the iphone. And i believe android but on the iphone. There's a deal on in fact it might work on the on android one actually for lincolnshire nights. You can get a whole year. Free subscription to to tom tom the nothing Basically and it gives you a live update so. It's been good in a way. Tom tom because what you can. Do you download older maps for the area where you live. I'm talking in a get hold amounts for the southeast in maidenhead massive area and of course that means you don't need a phone signal and i remember using thomson holiday. 'cause you could download maps for particular area without having to worry about data charges and stuff. Well this does it for Their app now and you can't live traffic now. Don't get live traffic. Like google does from the users you get this from the actual traffic alerts. The police use all the tv people. Use because of the blue camera. Things i think. And i think they must use some other data as well because they the traffic data is actually quite good. But what do like about the tom. Tom hap is the the map itself looked quite clear. It's uncluttered and you get your current speed the speed limit on the Display so this. This works on carplay. So i'm using in carplay in the car and it runs great Very very memory efficient in terms of couldn't take cpu. It's great soccer. Recommend that i've put that in the show notes. Okay well. I think that's it from me for this week. Just want to say thank you to everyone that supports the show and thank you. Everyone listens to the show. Now if you can do favor and just tell somebody else about the show. That'd be fantastic I don't do this show to get massive listenership numbers not just do this. Like i said before therapy for me. This is just talk to modify refund for half an hour of every week or every two weeks and Clears my brain. I think about stuff all the time. I think almost took about in the show and i tried to write it down and i i get quite excited about telling people about stuff that They need to know about you. Know years free. Tom-tom all youtube premium pound thirty a month. Or if you haven't already get your net flicks from turkey a five pound fifty Rather than uk prices So stuff like that for me. Love and like sharing stories. Rose to hear from you guys. So trump aligned a chance always great to hear from me about your experiences with your new phones all your car satnav or whatever be brilliantly hi fi mccain we get quite analog now on this channel channel show when you want to call it To hear you so drop me. Line at david icon mcgee dot com or. Follow me on twitter. I confess geek all just listening to the show next time and hopefully we can spend time together. This chewing the cud talked about tech anyway. That's it for me speech. You will soon bye for now.

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Italy Reopens: A Tale of Two Bookstores

The Indicator from Planet Money

09:38 min | 1 year ago

Italy Reopens: A Tale of Two Bookstores

"Npr is calling today giving Tuesday so we know a lot of people and organizations you care about are facing really really tough financial decisions if you you're able to give please donate to your local NPR station. It's something that you can do right now to help visit donate dot. Npr DOT org slash indicator to get started? And please know that every dollar you give supports this podcast and public radio. Give back today if you can so that we can all listen tomorrow thank you. Italy has started to reopen. Its economy this week. After a lockdown of roughly two months not all businesses can reopen but many factories are starting backups or construction sites and some stores can open now to including clothing stores and bookshops. Italy has been slammed by the CORONA VIRUS PANDEMIC. When in twenty nine thousand people have died so far and the country's locked down has also been exceptionally aggressive. Many parts of Italy people would get fined hundreds of dollars if they were caught outside without urgent reason. And now that that lockdown is lifting. Nobody really knows what to expect. This is the indicator from planet money. I'm Stacey Max Meth Garcia. Today on the show. A tale of two bookstores. We speak with two different business owners in two parts of Italy. Each of whom has very different feelings. About emerging from the lockdown. One is relieved to be able to earn money again. The other one worries that reopening could actually destroy his business. Hi I'm Greg Rusedski. Right the planet money newsletter. In recent weeks we've talked with the Nobel laureate about the best way to fight cove in one thousand nine hundred and we've got the story of economists behind idea. Sending checks to everyone check it out and subscribing NPR dot org slash planet money newsletter. Diego Brisson owns ubad bookshop in Gorizia. It's a little town in northeastern Italy. Right on the border with Slovenia has about thirty five thousand people. The people of Greece Serie Alot. Reading is a primary need almost like food than medicines for us. Diego says the bookshop has been a good steady business through the years. He would often sell more than a thousand dollars worth of books in a day and he loves his job he loves books and he loves chatting with customers is lots of regular customers so shutting down was really tough for him. He says he probably could have gone. Maybe another eight weeks with no income but that was about it. Diego really needed to open and start selling books again but he also had to make some new rules change things at the bookshop to help keep customers safe. They must were mosque. They must clean their hands. Maximum of three people is allowed in the shop of the same time. Diego says he was not really sure what to expect from the reopening but you know what dozens of people showed up that first day they even had to stand in line outside the shop. We had quite a few customers. Almost like Nothing happened and they are so happy. We had opened. The first day was uh like Silent Party for US digger says. Sales are not quite what they were before the lockdown. He's making a few hundred dollars less each day. But he says that's solid and he's not really worried about his business surviving anymore. Still Diego is quick to point out that greet Yo was not so hard hit by krona virus people. There are not as frightened or traumatized as they are in other parts of the country. Here via roose has not been so bad. We are lucky. We are far from the red zone threads on those are the parts of Italy. That have been hardest hit. Their things are different. It's really really difficult. situation this is Mataya Gara Volya. He owns a bookstore in the Piedmont region of northern Italy. It's one of the areas in the red zone. I O Mall. Small small small shop the interim we are really near to Lombardia. Okay and Lombardia. It's the be chained journey through. The epicenter is thirty and he started Golan bookshop about three years ago. He put all his money into shop and took out everything he could in loans to get. It started when I opened my book by slept on the ground in in this book shop for six months because I couldn't for the home soon. Mataya got the shutdown order in March. He had to find a way to keep selling books. I don't want to close my my life because my bookshop is my life. So you're not it's not time to to say. Oh my God them. Closing mcwilliam enclosing By steinman to we say tyrod Suleimani where it's called the the the part of the show that covers your arms the sleeves to roll up your shirt sleeves as like. These took a photo of himself and his bicycle in front of the bookshop. He posted the photo on social media and said Gaulan. Bookshop will deliver books to your door for free. The local press picked up on it and business went crazy and I started work seven days. A week Even fourteen How was a day something like this material has been making about forty deliveries a day in his car or on his bike riding through the empty streets of his city essentially because there was nobody? Nobody nobody nobody at all. Just you and I am to say just me Mike my by Cook and nobody has to meet the I cool seeing. I know I sound like somebody who doesn't care what is happening. But the try to fund something there to appeal on the positive side understand. What would you sing? I was I listen to death. Metal death metal in the streets of Turin. I love it looking to find some some source of light in these dark times. I love it. And if it's death metal all the better so as Matteo was riding through the streets of Turin loaded down with books so death metal at the top of his lungs he started to develop more and more ideas about how to keep customers engaged with his bookstore and how to keep them ordering books he started offering curated selections of books themes like Revolution Obscure Authors. You'll love indie books. People loved his selections and started shooting orders. All over Italy. This month is the like the biggest Bouma month of my life. Mataya normally sells about seven thousand dollars worth of books per month but in April. He sold almost twenty thousand dollars worth of books. It was actually his best month. Ever the economic shutdown was great for Matijas business but he worries the economic reopening could actually be the end of it. There will be a in my opinion. Spiral unemployment says that spiral of unemployment will likely push a lot of businesses into bankruptcy. Because people just won't have money to spend in shops and tourism will be gutted. Yeah he says. In the last couple of months people have been hunkered down kind of like the eye of the storm and they might have even had a little extra money from government aid and from not going out to spend on things like books but in the post reopening world he worries things could get really ugly and in that world people might not have extra money for anything especially books. Matere points out. Italy's economy was ready extremely weak even before the pandemic hit it had high unemployment in aging population not many work opportunities but his real worry right now is debt. Matteo's about eleven thousand dollars a month in rent and has more than one hundred thousand dollars in debt. He says if he has to close his bookshop he'll probably have to declare bankruptcy and in Italy says declaring bankruptcy kind of brands. You for life saved bankruptcy or Nataly it means your life is ruined totally totally. You not never be able to have a long from a banker you would never be able to. It's really really hard. So if we fail year we feel forever. Says he would never be able to open a bookstore or any other kind of store ever again. He says that is true. For small business owners all across Italy their businesses fail. There is no second chance for their businesses or for them. Mataya just reopened gallon bookshop. The hours are shorter. He closes at two PM so he can keep making deliveries in the afternoons. He says all he can do now is just keep working as hard as he can and hope that his work and innovation over these last couple months will sustain him in this new reopening world number. Understand what would be the life after this? You can only hope this episode. The indicator was produced by Darius Rafi on and Britney Cronin the indicators edited by Paddy Hirsch and is a production of NPR. 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Will the Covid variant derail an Easter easing?

Coffee House Shots

12:42 min | 5 months ago

Will the Covid variant derail an Easter easing?

"The spectator magazine combines incisive political analysis with books and reviews of unrivalled or ity subscribe today for just twelve pounds. I'm receiver twelve weeks subscription in print and online plus a twenty pound amazon gift voucher. Absolutely free go to spectator dot co dot uk food slash voucher. Hello coffeehouse shot suspect. He does daily politics podcast. I'm katie polls nine joined by james. The just had the prime minister deliver press conference where he updated. The nation on the evolving story is the new strain of coronavirus off to the prime minister council. Christmas sixteen million people on saturday. If i place them into tiff as well as changing the christmas rose european countries and countries feather field have taken action with many banning travelers from the uk while they investigate the new strain. But james the that's been causing the government the most consensus and we had birds johnson addressed in his press conference. It's not so much. The movement of people for leisure even business trips say much freight and goods. What's going on that. So i think it's fair to say you. Haven was slightly surprised by. He's gone shops words by the french decision to bar. Even freight from you the cross border. You heard boris johnson. Speak in that press woman just now about how the risk of unaccompanied lorry driver was love and that he hoped this border she could be source of out in the next few hours. I'll have to wait and see whether you actually get that. He's spoken to my new micro. There was clearly no definitive conclusion from that conversation that he could tell the country about tonight. The speed of which this get sorted is key because twenty four forty eight hours is the french initially said yesterday that level disruption his manageable about anyone knows seeing things going missing from supermarket shelves. I've you a prolonged period where that it was closed to freight In companies right to use the technical term. Then beverly would start to be to be problem so we wait to see whether this resolution does really a car in the next couple of hours or not. But i think this goes on much longer. Hours of in the situation could become quite dramatic and james. What about travel. We are seeing what countries actually saved. Brits should not visit or bringing new rules in terms of constraining what they can do that. Is this something. That's gonna be much more long. What you think this initial thing all begin and potential scenario brisson welcome in many many places around the world because of this knee strain. Would you think this is temporary while be wacky exactly where the new strain is because there are some reports. It's not just in the uk even as well. Our think is highly likely that if this new strain is as much more transmissible as the scientists cart. the governments aren't is currently pinkett. Is that is straight is going take off everywhere because as you say there is evidence that is already in some places there has been enough travel in and out of the uk during this period that you think if again this is as transmissible as people think and given where it is london in the southeast the i mean the ariza country report the greatest connectivity and travel to a constant then you would expect this new variation of barren to the virus to start asserting itself in alba countries are being behind the more rapid spread that indeed. If you look at the uk does a lot more genomic sequencing of the virus and various other countries. So i think there is actually a possibility that some of the other countries all seeing case rates increase rapidly which several my actually this horrible phrase. This museum form of the virus might be responsible for that. We have to wait and see a vote for more evidence and data on that. So i suspect back in a few weeks a month those time it will turn out for every. Has i think the question raises a very interesting question about the uk as a whole. Which is we know that tier four. He's in the government's needed a london in the southeast because of his form of the virus spreading hair. Surely i find it hard to the rest of the country isn't just a couple of weeks behind and soon as new music in the bars. We'll be assessing itself in areas of karnataka. Free and tichy so this is not a cheery vote. I find it hard to believe that you end up with top restrictions in january. You saw boris johnson. They're not willing to unambiguously commit to be able to schools becoming back in the new study talking about how the staggered return is the most sensible approach the to keep across what's happening with the virus audit. We probably are heading to a grimmer of more restrictive january february than we even expected. Well we did. Have matt hancock on sunday morning. Suggesting that tearful could go on really for several months his point being that as you say james the government do not believe that tiffany was effective in dealing with this strain of the virus. Areas like can't also degree london. So you need tough measures and therefore hugh join the dots and the government. Say the any way to stop it. Now is the vaccine. You can see scenario areas in tiff or now only stay there. Nasa some surprise at decreasing rates. So we'll tip. We'll super effective. They only stay there until there is a vaccine roller. And i think that you could see in the press conference today. Lots of questions about that vaccine rollout because it already i think was pressure. How quickly can these things happen. But i think as you say because it now feels slow. We're heading to grimmett twenty twenty one first quarter down. I think it seemed a few weeks. Ago is putting more pressure. And boris johnson. I'm matt hancock to explain. How people vaccinated. They said five hundred thousand today pharmacy. The vaccine have anymore vaccine doses. They have in the uk. That's not their eight hundred vaccine doses from visor initially delivered as things. Stand a date. We have clarity out. If there's been a second delivery even though we have more ordered and then altern is over to oxford now. We said many times on this podcast. Sodium repeats ourselves too much that the oxford vaccine is key to any ted normality but it says he feels like we are now in a race between the vaccine and ultimately what could be a severe perhaps national locked ambit severe restrictions for everyone for some time so jesus the government are going to have to speed up the vaccination program people today if they should otani. Have everything in place have oxford doses in vaccinations and to even. If it's an improved citizen as is you can get ready to get you. The vaccine was being rolled out as quickly as possible beforehand. But that wasn't the plant we're gonna take a of slow graduates. Approached us as you say the vaccine absolutely crucial not just because the uk is preloaded one hundred million doses of it now. Four million was ready right now but also because it is logistically so much more simpler than the vaccine. It does is be kept that fridge temperature with made it much much easier. Roller out in these football stadiums and corporate centers that are going to be used as mass vaccination sites. Your question is ten time there. There is no greater national priority right now by vaccinating as many people as possible off the administration is also vaccine is relatively simple because of stories conditioned a macho stretch. Have we trained enough people up to do it back to a question. Is there any reason why. Dentists back zero call me. Administering the vaccine to us all of these things. We need to prioritize the country because as you say if this new form of the bars is transmissible as the government. Scientists on earth type seemed to get. Is that as you put it. There's just no way out of this unless you can vaccinate a very law until you vaccinated a very large number of people remember that twenty eight million people. Once you've done that you you've accounted for over ninety percent of decimalisation that point you could without any risk just john restrictions you that still stays in place idea that you could vaccinate the vulnerable and then get rid of nitty restrictions or restrictions. Even if is more contagious form of coronavirus intensive restraint is that changing the mind. Missile and looking at things. Because there's been some music. Everything is being pushed back fair. There's been some interesting points made by those who zoo up the department of health that as things stand. They didn't think actually changes the vaccine timetable. All the endpoint that much. It just makes journey to get much worse of in the rest of the population. The other twenty eight point. Five minutes. The other i close to eight million people say they get as more mall before and as part balanced tonight is no proof that this new strain in the bars is a stronger and more potent in terms of the disease that it gives you so i think it does change tommy indeed. An not saying this is what happened with this mutation but normally what would you would expect hacking viruses is that they mutate so we can spread to more people and in the process. They become less lethal. But we have no evidence yet about what's happened with this virus so fought with this mutation. Adobe it does change the timetable which they to move the country out of his restrictions. I also think the the people who get this new form of the bars. They will have expect that they would have some immunity to it offered so the more rapid spread obviously has an effect there and james finally just on brexit. The clock continues to tick. The brussels deadline passed on sunday without a deal being agreed but with took some guy today. We just had the prime minister in that press conference tool cup. The pros of no deals jazzing the perfectly adequate wto brexit. Perhaps even even above that so any sense of sand shifting or things moving or where we. That's just say so. We know that the european parliament and said that they would need to get the deal on sunday if they were going to ratify fail to see how the deal because there isn't one yet but they have now moved to suggest that they would try and find some way they would force no deal because they haven't had time to look at it. There's obviously oxford provisional application following just simple but in the council i is all still stocked with fish. Is the trickiest issue in some remaining level playing field concerns to be very very simplistic the british negotiators on now stock in brussels. So they might as well carry on the shaping. I also think they still talking when they are talking. That means there is a chance of a successful conclusion. Conclusion is gone. And i still think this. At some point. The leaders on all sides from from von dhillon to johnson to macaroni merckel to russia to carry on through the whole list. We'll set and look at the big global picture here and see the consequences of no deal. It would so poyser u. k. e. u. relations right but it will be dissolved star for ib for both size by to the west. Hopefully it's back and see this and move. Compromise will enter into discussions. That will allow a deal to go the line. Thank you james. And of course we will keep listen updated as if the brexit negotiations that the true final canton and at also on the latest developments with the new strain of coronavirus.

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319. Es rentable el sistema de patrocinio de Anchor?

Al otro lado del micrófono

07:26 min | 2 months ago

319. Es rentable el sistema de patrocinio de Anchor?

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Tech News: Nature Goes Punk Rock

TechStuff

49:02 min | 3 months ago

Tech News: Nature Goes Punk Rock

"Support for tech stuff comes from transfer wise the best way to send spend and receive money internationally picture. This you need to send money abroad. What do you do. would you go to your bank. What exchange rate will they give you. Chances are it's not the one you'd see on google bank sam providers like pay pal usually markup the ray to make extra money but with transfer wise. It's different you always get the real mid market exchange rate when you send money to eighty countries and that saves you money. Transfer wise even has multi-currency account the let you holding convert up to fifty four currencies and a debit card to join over nine million customers who save more than three million dollars from bad rates every day and try transfer wise for free at transfer wise dot com slash tech aficionado. Fashiony sta foodi sneaker head no matter what you're to go all in because the greater the obsession the greater the reward introducing the new lexus. I s a result of lexuses obsession. All in on the sports sedan learn more at lexus dot com slash i s welcome text a production from iheartradio. He there in welcome to tech stuff. I'm your host. Jonathan strickland executive producer with iheartradio and above all things tech and. It is time for the news for thursday february eleventh. Twenty twenty. one. Let's get into it. Sitek daily published an article describing how computer scientists were able to defeat deepfake detecting computer algorithms and systems so deepfakes for those. Who aren't really that familiar with the term are fabricated digital videos. They show what appears to be someone but it's not really them. It's been digitally created and the typical way that these are made is by feeding a lot of videos of your target person. So it's easier if we use an example. Let's say ronald mcdonald. You've got videos of ronald mcdonald. And you just feed all those videos of ronald mcdonald. One specific incarnation of ronald because of a bunch of different actors have played ronald mcdonald. But you feed commercial after commercial of specific actor playing ronald into your deepfake generator. The more videos you have the better because you are training the digital machine learning model and held to represent that person and then the deepfake generator can superimpose your target ronald mcdonald you. Their face on top of another video. So you could take video of a totally different person. Maybe it's someone who's doing a credible impression of the target. Maybe it's not even that they're just going through various motions. And then you use the deepfake generator to overlay the digital face of ronald mcdonald on top of the other actors. Face in the video and it makes it seem as though the target ronald was doing whatever it was. The actor was doing the whole time and detectors tend to look for signs and videos that would indicate a deepfake particularly around the eyes. The eyes are tricky. But the scientists who worked on this found that by inserting something called an adversarial example or actually a lot of them into videos they could fool these detectors so generally the idea is to include title signs that force these detectors to make mistakes now. According to the scientists it's even possible to introduce the sort of adversarial examples into a deepfake video without any real knowledge of how the detectors actually process the videos in order to detect deepfakes but a little knowledge does go along way. The team tested scenarios in which attackers might have complete access to the detector model in other words. They know exactly what the detector is looking for. And with that and introducing these examples they can have a more than ninety nine percent success rate in avoiding detection for videos that were uncompressed. They also tested scenarios in which hackers might only have very limited knowledge of the detector model and even then with uncompressed video. They saw eighty six percent success rate now the approach used by the team. Preserves those adversarial examples. Even if a video does go through compression or resizing typically those are things that would remove adversarial examples from images and undergo scenarios. The method worked at a slightly lower success rate. If the video had been compressed it was nearly eighty five percent successful if the team had complete knowledge of the detector model and seventy eight percent even if they didn't have that knowledge so still incredibly reliable. They also chose not to publish the code that they were using for their adversarial examples because they said if we did that then bad guys could take this and make it their own and thus use it for real z's so they recommended that teams that are designing deepfake detectors incorporate adversarial training when they build out their models. I think most teams already do this. Essentially this creates a sort of see-saw effect. So you've got one computer system and its job is just to try and create the most convincing fakes possible and you have a different system that is attempting to tell the difference between real videos and fake videos so as the detectors get better. The faker system tries out new tricks to exploit potential weaknesses in the detector and as the detectors fall behind. They begin to adjust their approach to get better at picking out the fakes. And we've seen the sort of process and a lot of other areas of artificial intelligence. It really plays a big role. In how a evolves over time earlier this week. I talked about tesla and bitcoin. And i did my normal angry old man rant about being more of a commodity than it is a currency. Well now i get to talk about another thing that irritates me about bitcoin and that's how much juice bitcoin miners are using when they're going after those expensive digital coins so let's get some quick explanations in here you've got your digital currency. Bitcoin and there are two main ways. You can get bitcoin. They're more than this. But these are the two big ones you can purchase some so you're exchanging some other form of currency for some amount of bitcoin or you can try and mine. Bitcoin mining essentially involves using a computer to guess the correct answer to a very hard mathematical problem and the bitcoin system. That is the overall network doesn't charge of tracking bitcoin transaction and dispensing mind bitcoins. The system determines how hard mathematical problem should be now. Ideally it should take about ten minutes before some computer on the network is able to solve the problem. So as more computational power joins this network the system has to make the problems more challenging otherwise these screaming vast computer systems would solve the problems far too quickly so the goal is to aim for that average amount of time that it takes to mind bitcoin's to keep it at around ten minutes. There's more to it than that. But that's a very basic explanation and since a single. Bitcoin is worth tens of thousands of dollars. Nearly fifty thousand dollars as i record this and each successful mining of bitcoin pays out six point two five bitcoins per go so every ten minutes. Another six and a quarter. Bitcoins get mind. That means there's a lot of money to be made. It means you need incredibly powerful computer systems. If you're going to stand a chance of having the computer the guesses the correct answer to the mathematical problem. Otherwise someone else's going to beat you to the punch and so people and groups have built out mining computers and really mining computer networks. That are just trying to be the first to get these math problems. Correct and these machines require a lot of electricity cambridge university. Researchers have estimated that the power consumption is in the neighborhood of one hundred twenty one point thirty six terawatt hours per year. That means all the bitcoin miners in the world collectively consuming as much electricity as the entire nation of argentina. And they're just behind norway. Now the only reason for this is because of those huge payouts right because if the amount you earned was a low amount whether because you were only getting a fraction of a bitcoin everytime you mind it or the value of bitcoin had plummeted or both then it would mean that running. Your computer systems would actually be more expensive than the money you would get from mining. Bitcoin and that would be a losing proposition. You would quit right. You wouldn't wanna keep spending money to make back a fraction of what you were spending and maybe that will happen at some point and if it does and people drop out of the network because it costs too much money to continue mining than the system will adjust that difficulty to those mathematical problems again if it detects that. It's taking more than ten minutes to solve the problems. It makes the problems easier. The idea being that no matter what computer power is connected to the system that ten minute to solution time remains fairly steady. So it's kinda like if you took the top performing students all the math class but you still wanted to have the same average grade than you make the tests a little easier but the energy demands of bitcoin are one of the aspects of the cryptocurrency. That i find really irritating. Not only is it a quote unquote currency with the value. That fluctuates so much. That you can't really use it. As a currency with confidence it's also encouraging people to consume way more electricity than they would rise and that has further consequences depending upon where that electricity is coming from. It might mean that. Bitcoin itself is contributing to climate change. Because people are using so many computer systems that are drawing power off a power grid that could be powered by coal and then there are other admittedly minor consequences such as not being able to find a decent graphics processing unit these days because crypto currency minors keep buying them all stupid. Bitcoin cyber security researcher. Alex birsh recently gave us more evidence that supply chain attacks are something that companies really need to take seriously which is a theme. We've been seeing since the solar winds hack so in this context a supply chain attack is when a hacker is able to inject malware into some sort of product from a trusted entity that distributes that product to its partners or customers or whatever but then itself. Sounds a bit confusing. So let's use a grim batman style analogy. Let's say the joker has just about had enough of commissioner gordon. And he knows that. Commissioner gordon likes pizza so the joker has one of his goons deliver a poisoned. A pizza to gordon's house. Now gordon except the pizza he might decline it he might accept it but not eat it so in other words this is a ploy that might work but it might not so. Let's say instead. The joker decides how. I'm going to infiltrate gordon's favorite pizza parlor. And the joker gets in there and poisons all the dough in that pizza parlor and then he has one of his goons drop off some coupons for the pizza parlour. Over at gordon's home now the jokers banking on the fact that gordon. He knows pizza parlor. He likes the pizza there. And he just got some coupons for it and he's gonna probably pizza from that pizza place and he will welcome the poisoned pizza into his home eagerly. That's kind of what happens with the supply chain attack because the malware is hidden inside a product. That's from a trusted partner. So the victim is more likely to incorporate that malware into their own systems brisson was able to create an attack through squatting which is grabbing a valid internal package name on code that happened to be distributed through. Get hub essentially. He was leaning on an open source. Approach to code distribution and a lot of companies use that for various products and it worked really well his quote unquote malware which really didn't do much but returned some very basic information. Because he didn't want to actually cause any problems. He didn't want to compromise these systems. He was doing this as sort of a type of penetration testing to see if the companies were guarded against this kind of attack. He found that it was effective in at least thirty five organizations and these included really big ones apple was one of them for example he called it a quote dependency confusion bug into quote and indicated that if a malicious hacker had taken that approach. They might have been able to do stuff like install back door access points into what would otherwise appear to be a secure system to get into full detail of what he did would require an understanding. That goes beyond what i have but it does show that this kind of attack can be devastatingly effective if used by militias hackers and it could mean that in the future. We'll see companies quarantine system in order to test out patched software before incorporating that patch into the full system overall. Just in case someone has compromised a trusted partner. I guess you just can't trust anyone that's going to be a theme. That comes back later. And in our last little bit for the segment. Twitter's chief financial officer. Ned siegel said in an interview that the band that twitter has placed on former president. Donald trump's account is in fact permanent. Most sincerely band. I guess you could say. Trump received the band toward the end of his presidency after the riots at the us capitol on january sixth and that ban is going to be in place even if trump is re elected to president sometime in the future. Yikes so siegel says to cnbc. The way our policies work when you are removed from the platform your removed from the platform. Whether you're a commentator you're a cfo or you are aac former current public official remember. Our policies are designed to make sure that people are not inciting violence. And if anybody does that we have to remove them from the service and our policies don't allow people to come back end quote earlier this week. Twitter held an earnings call to share information with shareholders. About how the company is doing. And i'm sure there was some concern that banning trump was going to have a negative impact on the business side of the service according to see. Nbc twitter beat analysts projections for earnings and for revenue in twenty twenty. But it did fall behind when it came to growing the user base twitter. Ceo jack dorsey. Also revealed eighty percent of twitter users are actually outside the united states. Twitter is also still dealing with being in the crosshairs of some world events such as the ongoing farmer protests in india that i reported on previously win some more news stories to cover but before we get to any of those. 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That's kind of the the umbrella term for those technologies. Well today we can follow up a little bit more on that. Macrumors published an article including designs by artist antonio de rosa who has worked with apple on several occasions to create artist's rendering of different design concepts now these renderings are meant more as a way to consider different design options they may or may not resemble a final product from apple. In fact there's no guarantee that there will be a final product in some cases although it seems pretty certain that this is going forward in devos. These mixed reality. Headsets are given the name apple view but there is no indication. That apple has actually settled on any name. As of yet i'm still holding out for is or something like that. So was it like well kind of lose. Like someone's got an iphone strapped to their head. I mean it just imagined that you've got a headband. And there's a visor that fits over the is is kind of like a horizontal somewhat iphone and it's curved so that can fit over the eyes of the user when you better believe there's an apple logo smack dab in the middle of that thing. According to the website the information the apple design is said to incorporate more than twelve cameras in it so this gadget could potentially be both for virtual and augmented reality. Those cameras can be used to provide a live video. Feed of the users surroundings and the device could lay digital information on top of that or might also be used so that the headset can just have a sense of a user's environment and their head position and orientation if they are using it as virtual reality device thus giving cues to users so that they don't do stuff like run into a wall or something. The general rumor right now is that it is going to be geared more as a vr device than an ar device. Maybe there'll be some a are use cases but they'll be more limited than actually shocks me considering the number of cameras incorporated into this thing. Though presumably those cameras will provide the headset with a lot of abilities to track a user's head motions anyway it also is supposed to have to eight k displays in their one free gye and all of this helps explain why most of the websites i've seen talking about. This thing are guessing that's gonna cost around three thousand dollars when it does become available for purchase. It's supposed to be announced before the end of this year and j. p. morgan predicts that will go on sale within the first quarter of twenty twenty two so just a year as kind of exciting and speaking of cameras. Well we all know that. We live in a world peppered with cameras. Lots of us have one within reach at any given moment. Thanks to our phones and sure those cameras catch plenty of ridiculous and trivial stuff but it also means that tons of people have powerful tools to document important events at a moment's notice and that includes capturing video of police activity something that some believe have really tried to discourage in the past but at least here in the united states it is completely legal to record video of a police officer performing official duties in public. Even if those police officers don't like it boing boing reports that now. There's a growing trend of police officers trying to leverage copyright takedown notices in an effort to discourage people from posting and sharing videos of them. The ideas pretty simple so police officer sees that someone is trying to capture them on video so the police officer whips out his or her own cell phone and blasts some copyrighted music. So the idea here is that the person capturing the video is getting that music on the microphone as well if they upload the video to a social platform the owner of the copyrighted music will issue a takedown. Notice for the unlicensed use of the music particularly if it's all an automated system pretty shady stuff right and for activists. This is really hard. Because if they get enough complaints about videos that they're posting receive a ban from their platforms and many of these activists are trying to perform a public service In the wake of the black lives matter movement we have seen how important it is to hold police accountable to make sure that those who are supposed to be protecting and serving and enforcing the law are themselves also subject to the law. The drive has an interesting article about how farmers are turning to hackers in order to be able to repair their own equipment. All right so this kid said a few different things that talked about on previous episodes of tech stuff. There's this concept called the right to repair. Which is if you purchase some technology. Whatever it may be. Maybe it's a stereo system. Maybe it's a harvester for a farm but you should be able to make reasonable repairs to that technology all on your own. The limits of your repair should really be up to your expertise and knowledge but a lot of companies have made repairs really hard from using proprietary screws and other fasteners to making it intentionally difficult to access components to including terms of service that discourage people from opening up a piece of technology in the first place. Then you've got the black box problem. This is when it's difficult or impossible for to see how a particular piece of technology works. And sometimes you have firmware there that prevents you from even doing any work unless you. I run certain diagnostic tests and processes with official equipment. Now we've definitely seen the sort of thing in the automotive world where much harder to work on modern vehicles compared to cars from just a few decades ago while working on cars does require skill and knowledge the barrier to entry was lower in the past. I mean you still had to learn how to do it but car. Companies weren't making it harder to do this however these days with computerized systems and specialized service codes. It can be really hard to figure out what's going on with vehicle and even harder to conduct repairs and the same is true with farm equipment so farmers have become frustrated when trying to get hold of software and firmware from companies like john deere in order to diagnose and repair problems with complicated equipment because of that. These farmers are starting to turn to pirate firmware for their equipment in order to be able to make those repairs themselves or to have independent mechanics. Do it for them. And companies. Like john deere. Don't want that to happen. These companies purposefully restrict access to stuff like firmware and software because that represents another potential revenue source. Which is repair and maintenance. See if you make attractor you can only sell that one tractor once but if you also offer repair and maintenance services while you can keep making revenue off of that initial sale for as long as possible. I mean especially if you make it really hard for anyone else to do those kinds of repairs and maintenance and that's the heart of the problem. Farmers who understandably want to get the most out of their equipment would like to be able to do that kind of maintenance and repair themselves or on their own terms and thus limit their costs and this gets right into that right to repair issue which is something. We're seeing in different. Parts of the world is groups of consumers. Protest the business model that relies not just on sales of hardware but having a whole sales department that's related to fixing and maintaining that hardware. And i should add that. According to the drive most of the farmers aren't actually happy about having to resort to pirated software and firmware. They would much prefer to go through official channels. They would prefer to purchase a license from john. Deere directly it's just. That's not on the table. I see a lot of parallels with other industries actually including the music industry historically if companies make some aspect of their products. Difficult to access people will find work arounds and so it's generally just a bad idea to even go that route. In the first place on wednesday facebook announced it would reduce the amount of political subject matter popping up in people's news feeds as part of an effort to reduce quote inflammatory content in quote according to tech explore. It's going to start small. Aiming at a sliver of users in places like canada indonesia and brazil before trying it out in the united states the gupta the product manager director at facebook said during these initial tests will explore a variety of ways to rank political content and people's feeds using different signals. And then decide on. The approaches will use going forward now. Apparently that means facebook will no longer recommend politics themed groups to users and it will reduce political themed posts that appear in feeds through automated systems so in other words the algorithm suggesting these posts. That part will stop. Users will still be able to post about politics if they want to. They'll still be able to join groups that have a political perspective and a political purpose if they want so the idea here is really the algorithm is getting out of it the algorithm that determines what you see where in your facebook feed will be pulling back on the political stuff but if all of your friends or chatting about politics you're likely to still see a lotta politics over there. I think the shows how. Facebook is continuing to react to the issues of extremist groups that were forming and radicalizing others on the platform and how facebook's algorithm really kind of played a part in all of that the algorithm helped promote those groups to people that were potentially Able to be radicalized and so we saw that trend get worse and worse. So i feel like this is largely a response to that and other lousy news. Niccolo lorant the ceo of riot games is now under investigation for sexual harassment and gender discrimination charges now. The company right games is known for games like league of legends and valiant and the board of directors will be overseeing this investigation which is being conducted by a third party law firm lawrence former executive assistant. Sharon o'donnell claims that she was wrongfully terminated this past summer after she filed a complaint with the hr department against lawrence saying he had made sexual advances toward her. There are other allegations against lorant as well primarily about some alleged comments. He made in the company of women in the past. And i won't repeat those things here because you know they're gross riot. Games has been under the microscope in the past for this kind of stuff to who actually ran a really a great investigative piece in twenty eighteen about the sexist culture at riot games including stories from a former employee with the company who described her experiences of trying to navigate the culture and seeing her ideas consistently shot down not on the merits of the ideas themselves but because of her gender she actually tells the story about how she pitched an idea got shot down told a male peer to pitch the same idea a couple of weeks later and when he did it. Went over like gangbusters. That's not great and later in two thousand eighteen. A couple of people sued riot games for gender discrimination so to me it sounds like this has been an issue from the top down. Not that dissimilar to what we heard about ubisoft left year over in the uk. Police have arrested eight people between the ages of eighteen and twenty six who were allegedly part of a group trying to illegally access the phones various prominent americans like celebrities and sports stars or rather. I should say the phone numbers. See they were doing this through some swapping. This is a process in which you will port a phone number from one sim card to another. And you might have to do this for totally legitimate reasons. Let's say that you're changing from one model of a phone to a totally different model of the phone and they happen to use. Different styles sim cards. I had this happened when you know. The micro mini sim card thing was really transitioning. And you want to keep your phone number so you wanna be able to port your number from your old sim card to your new one and you also want to be able to access all the apps and data you on your old phone as easily as possible. Well porting your account over to a new sim card is part of that process and these hackers were trying to move phone numbers over. Two sim cards that they had in their possession that would effectively hijack the phone number so that any calls going to that celebrity or sports star whatever would instead go to this new phone and it gave them the potential to access tons of stuff along with it like accounts with companies like amazon for example. And you can see how this can be used for all sorts of illegal purposes from theft to blackmail. so how did they make the swamps. Well it seems like most of the time they were actually working with various phone providers and they might fool the phone providers you know they could pose as the person who owns the number or maybe an assistant to that celebrity or whatever and then use a bit of social engineering to convince the technicians on the other end of the phone to go ahead and make that change to the new sim card or they might actually work with someone at the company's directly someone who might have been in cahoots with the thieves and once they do port that number over they can wait to see if the target story to make changes to stuff like passwords so you know how two factor authentication systems can sometimes send like a password code to your phone. Well if you up the phone number over to a different sim card. Then it's the hackers. Were getting those text messages with the temporary passwords or the way to access certain accounts and potentially they could switch over the accounts to themselves that way. Uk law enforcement says the group faces charges of violating the computer misuse act as well as fraud and money laundering charges and that they could also face extradition to the united states for their crimes. Okay we have a few more stories to wrap up today's news episode but before we get to that. Let's take another quick break. Hey friends so there are bad matches out there. Like microwaves and aluminum foil. There are great matches like cash back match from discover only discover automatically matches all the cash. Back you earn the end of your first year. There's no minimum or maximum rewards. Just a dollar for dollar match and you can redeem your cash back match for any amount at any time. Discover makes it easy. So what are you waiting for ditch. Those bad matches like magnets and phones. 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When i said there was a security researcher would used supply chain attack to test various big company systems and then found them lacking well. Something similar has happened to a lot of google android users. Not the heart of the problem is an app called code scanner. Bet you can't guess what it does anyway for a long time. That app was toast legit. They was a simple but effective barcode scanner however sometime in december of last year that changed the security firm. Malware bytes which you might remember was also the target of a supply chain attack itself has reported that customers. We're seeing some weird behavior on their android devices. When they would open up their default browser they were getting absolutely bombarded with pop up ads. It was kind of like the bad old days of the worldwide web. All over again stupid pop up ads. At first the analysts found these reports kind of perplexing. Because they would look at what the customers had on their phones and they'd say gosh you haven't installed a new apps in a while so nothing really has changed here and all the apps that you have installed came from the official google app store. Google play these weren't like side loaded apps from some squeezy app developer or anything like that and it turned out that barcode scanner was in fact at fault and more so it appeared to be an intentional decision in the words of security researcher. Nathan collier quote in the case of barcode scanner. Malicious code had been added that was not in previous versions of the app. Furthermore the added code used heavy obfuscation to avoid detection to verify this from the same app developer. We confirmed it had been signed by the same digital certificate as previous clean versions because of its malign intent we jumped past our original detection category of adware straight to trojan yikes In quote the yikes was mind by the way so yeah a trojan is malware that poses as if it's benign legitimate software and it carries with it some sort of payload that can execute malware of some kind on an infected system. Google has since removed the barcode scanner app from the play store. And if you happen to have that app installed on an android device you should uninstall that app remove it. Google is not removing that automatically. At least not as of the time recording this episode. But you know better safe than sorry. Go ahead check. Make sure it's non any of your android devices if it is remove it and here's an example of some malicious code making its way to targets because it came from a trusted source. The tech world is really turning into a mission. Impossible movie where you learn you cannot trust. Anyone except benji seems like a standup dude. That ethan character. I don't know about him. This next story is one that i'm sure you have all heard already but i kind of had to cover it particularly after taiwo. Adam awo tweeted the story to me late on tuesday. I am of course talking about the virtual courtroom proceeding in which a lawyer appeared onscreen as a kit kat. These three hundred ninety fourth judicial district court in texas was and county attorney. Rod pontoon had cute kitty cat picture on display instead of video from his own. Webcam judge roy ferguson. Helpfully pointed out that mr ponta and appeared to have a filter over his video chat settings and putting said quote. I'm here live. I'm not a cat in quote the judge then replied quote. I can see that. In quote the judge subsequently posted a tweet recommending that users check their video filter settings before they actually join a meeting now in the grand scheme of zoom failures. This one's pretty innocent and the judge commended. Mr putin he said quote filtered lawyer showed incredible grace and quipped so honestly after reading the story. This was a really refreshing and amusing. Take no one got hurt. Everyone remain professional. We got a fun story out of it which is just nice. You know something else is nice or at least i think it is is that computers are coming up with some really funky math. Y'all all right. So i'm gonna do my best to explain this but i do so with full acknowledgment that i am in way over my head. My math skills topped out at trigonometry and blah but vice has an article titled machines are inventing new math. We've never seen and at the heart of this are mathematical conjectures. Now if you're like me that term might be new to you essentially form of mathematical statement that as yet has not been rigorously proven to be true. So let's say you detect what appears to be a pattern in some data and as far as you can tell there is actually a pattern there and after a bit you figure out a way to describe this pattern through a mathematical statement. A formula if you will now does this mean. There really is a pattern in that data. Well maybe but maybe not. It might be only the appearance of a pattern and it takes a lot of testing to make sure that conjecture holds up and if it does so after rigorous testing then it might graduate and become a theorem. This is sort of like the concepts of hypotheses and theories in science. A hypothesis is a prediction which may or may not come true. A theory is something that has been tested multiple times in different ways different approaches different people and has held up to be true despite all that testing which is same sort of thing really while the vice article explains that computer systems are playing a bigger role in developing mathematical conjectures. One system in particular. The rummenigge machine developed in part by researchers from google is doing this. The system is creating conjectures aimed at calculating universal constants. Pie is an example of a universal constant is the ratio between the circumference of a circle. And that circles diameter and this ratio is the same whether the circle is on the nano scale of the circle is larger than the known universe because the ratio still remains three point one four hundred cetera et cetera and so these systems are proposing different formula to calculate universal constants. This could lead to far more efficient and accurate means of doing that. If those conjectures hold water it will be up to mathematicians to put the conjectures to the test and just let me say better them than me nine included this next story because i happen to love the music of the punk band the pogues famous for such tunes as fairytale of new york and turkish song of the damned and sunny side of the street. Well jem finer one of the original members of the pogues and also the co writer on the songs i just mentioned has created the proposal for an interesting artistic experiment. The goal he says was to create a means of making music of quote. Indeterminate length and indeterminate. Score end quote. He took inspiration from an ancient practice in japan. A type of meditation and musical instrument called the sakina could sue which involves an upside down jar and water drops so imagine you got a big jar. It's open at the top. You turn it upside down. You put it in a little like pit essentially and you bury it. You cut a hole in the bottom of that jar which is now effectively the top. You know it's the part that's poking out of the ground and you allow water to drip through that hole into the interior as the water accumulates. It has a little pool at the base of that jar. That's buried underground and the vibrations as the drops splashdown caused the jar to reverberate. And it chimes out kind of like a bell so finer took this idea and he cranked it up a notch in his own words. His quote score for a hole in the ground in quote was conceived as a composition of indeterminate length and score water dripping into a deep underground chamber. Strikes both tuned percussion andy pool at the bottom. The sounds are piped above ground through a giant horn that stands seven meters above the ground and by piped through. He's literally talking about a hollow tube a horn that would use acoustics to amplify the sound as it travels up the link the horn to the flared in above ground. He said. I like the idea of coming across this landscape unexpectedly. It's a piece that's made for people who know it's there but equally it's made for people to just come across now. This reminds me of some other acoustic art pieces that i have seen in cleaned the classic alien harp which is played by the wind. Nothing more punk rock then handing the instruments over to the mother nature for a wicked solo and finally ten years ago. The world received an amazing gift. I am of course talking about rebecca black's immortal classic friday. Whether you're kicking in the front seat or sitting in the backseat. Now rebecca black has released a remix of that song ten years later and features not just an all grown up rebecca sporting some neon punk but also three. Oh three big media. Who has one of the best christmas albums. I've ever heard not safe for work. And dorian. electra. Are on the track as well and i listened to the remix and i have to tell you that it's remarkable in that it is so not my jam but it is also not my jam in a different way than the original was also so not my jam. I think it is cool. However that ms black has been able to embrace our impact on the web and also pursue a legit career as a singer and songwriter. She never disappeared. She's had a youtube channel has been uploading for the last nine years so she's been engaging with the public sense her rise to viral fame. I have absolutely no doubt that. She was also on the receiving end of an unbelievable amount of mockery for her original video. And i think that's really a shame. I mean wasn't an indulgent project. Sure but good grief. Y'all if you to have been around. When i was a kid. I am certain there would be no shortage of indulgent videos from yours. Truly in fact you could probably argue convincingly. There is no shortage of indulgent material from me as it stands right now is just. That mine doesn't happen to go viral anyway. If you have fond or funny memories of the song you might wanna check out the bonkers music video for the remix. Now i'm not saying you're gonna like it but maybe you will and you will certainly see something that is unique. Well that wraps up this news episode. Hope you guys enjoyed it. If you have any suggestions for topics that can tackle on the normal tech stuff episodes. You can let me know on twitter. The handle is tech h. s. w. and. We'll talk to you again. Releasing tech stuff is an iheartradio production for more podcasts. From iheartradio visit the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. You control flexibility efficiency. How much better it could you manage your cashflow. If all your suppliers accepted credit cards will now. 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Episode #60  Take Aways and Reflections : Julie McCoy

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Episode #60 Take Aways and Reflections : Julie McCoy

"You're listening to a workplace perspective and employment law podcast presented by sapphire legal workplace. Perspective is a regular podcast series for employers and employees focusing on education training and the law to help organizations of all sizes develop and maintain successful workplace relationships. The opinions expressed by guests on workplace perspective. Do not necessarily reflect those of sapphire legal or it's attorneys should not be considered legal advice. And now here's your host founder and principle attorney at sapphire legal theresa mcqueen. Thank you james and welcome everyone to workplace perspective where we are striving to raise the bar at workplaces everywhere. Today we are excited to welcome back. Our first guest of the new year dragonfly. Coaching julia mccoy tilles. A life. coach will be talking with us about lessons. Learned from twenty twenty and we can take forward into this wonderful new year of twenty twenty one. It's a new year and it's going to be a great show. Don't go away. We'll be right back On workplace perspective do not necessarily reflect those of sapphire legal. Or it's attorneys. Ed should not be considered legal advice. You're listening to workplace perspective and employment law podcast presented by sapphire legal Back to our listeners. And welcome back to work place perspective. Julie mccoy thank you to recite a happy new year. And thank you for having me back again. Sorry excited. I love that. We've with scientific arthur time. We've had to kick off our new year. I think it's a great way to do it. Twenty twenty one. Can you believe it. thank goodness right. Never so happy to see a year in the rear view mirror ever well. This is a great topic today. We're gonna be talking about lessons from twenty twenty one that we can take forward with us into this new year. What we could use to improve ourselves improve our lines and provide quality of lives and leaving behind everything. That doesn't serve us. So i am so excited to talk about this list. Jump right into it. Well thank you theresa sought. I've done a lot of reflecting on your twenty eight twenty as we leave it in the rear view mirror. Thank goodness but i. I think it's really important for your listeners. To before they russ not normalcy and twenty twenty one whenever that takes place. I think it's really important to reflect upon things that they undoubtedly learned in the what i call the roussel of twenty twenty because it was that or many of us and some of us bar more than others but You know there's a seeing among the coaching community that there's no comfort in the growth zone and no growth in the comfort zone and we've all been terribly uncomfortable to varying degrees where the past year and we now see the light. The end of the tunnel return to our normal are were teens and had dick schedules. And and i think it's really important to tag out or the experience of twenty twenty uncomfortable experience the lessons that we all learned and in a city. Here right now. Sort of your listeners may be dismissing that Because you know it they were mostly more focused on the pain and how to get through it and what was going to happen next year that accompanied all of his nyan certainty of it but invariably we. I am certain that we all learned things. Maybe we learned a new skill for example. I know a lot of people Might i'll take myself as an example. I wasn't really much of a cook. Started this process. Why us man. I ate out a lot. We got to take now snatch And all of a sudden is down than i had. Actually prepare a week's worth of menus. Arkansas and prepare food and i became a much better cook because i had to learn how to do things like substitute ingredients. And before i was just following the recipe rigidly. Because that's all i knew how to do. I had no idea. I'm substitute well. If you can't just run out and store to get one item because that's too dangerous right to your hell. I figure that out. So there's there was real learning around that For me i. I know of other people who had to learn how to be alone. Alana people just really can't stand thought of being alone and on the isolation of this pandemic inspires ties into that You know i would say that as we need this year last year behind us it's important to take a moment to reflect on what we gained on and there were a lot of positives. They came out of twenty twenty on on a broader scale For example the images of the clear skies in los angeles on this beautiful days when there was no pollution the images of the himalayan mountain one which you never see right because it's always obscured and smog the fact that a lot of us learned that our lives were so much more hectic when we were running around in our cars going back and forth to meetings there was so much easier just to sit down at our desk in have a really productive. Absolutely you know. I find that amazing now and that was one of the first things i noticed was how much time i saved by. Not having to and i still get ready. The i get up. I put my hair up close make module around and everything but still. It's so awesome. How much time you save right. And you're saving the environment at time. And you arrive at meetings not so frazzled. Especially in southern california when you're driving in traffic all of the time I you know. I just woke that going forward. Some of us will remember value of hadden's in meetings which they seem very awkward in the beginning and some people tatum so much they just signed off and reviews combat. But were those of us who had to stick it out. There were these we had to accomplish. I think we learned how to work through the awkwardness of winners. It might've speedy and ocean the conduct brisson's talking and once we did that we download it was really productive platform for getting things done and could sit down calmly in our desk with a cup of coffee or glass of water and proceed to our meeting without the rush of. Oh i just got the freeway. I'm laid i gotta find parking place. A russian take an elevator. So i i just hope that some of us will from time to time and undoubtedly in person meetings organic resume as soon as nike And i hope that some of the small may be take her pause in every now and then say you know. This meeting doesn't have to be. We're solidity in the comfort of our own homes or on offices and students via sumer via conference call. Do you think that's going to be a trend. A lot organizations that. I belong to have taken this idea that they're going to continue to move forward in a hybrid fashion because a lot of people on the business side. There's really interesting aspects on the business side to it and on the organizational side the philanthropic side. There's this it's a weird phrase to us but there's an intimacy to being on zoom call even in a big group that you don't get our im- person and you get locked because you get lost in a crowd. You can't see everyone you can't necessarily reach out and talk to someone as readily as you would because you don't want to interrupt a conversation are you can't get somebody's attention or you just can't get across the room in time to say hi but there's this really unique aspect if people can put aside the bad things that they don't like about zoom meetings there really are some amazing aspects to it and that intimacy is one of it that that togetherness in that environment that closed sort of environment. I know it's flat but it still. There's just something about it. So i really hope that we don't lose that as well at that. Some of those aspects do continue. I think a lot of visits. Lisa wins that i've talked to a really thinking of ways to maintain that hybrid attitude. Yes i think that'll be a very valuable thing. And i agree with you on the intimacy aspect. I don't think that's a strange word. She news at all because each person speaks. Like you. Say in large meeting there as stills screen. You're like sitting right next to them because you are sitting. I'm literally twelve inches from my computer minister light near and and i think it's also much to more colegio meanings Because people are in that situation where you know so close to someone. So you're not as inclined to interrupt and i've seen people being more respectful of the other speakers in group studying than they would be on the same room which is really interest is great and the time saving to. I've had colleagues comment. On the fact. That meetings are more streamlined. People get on get to the point and he do business and were out of harrods. It's really an interesting at timesaver on so many levels i love it. It is and i think you know. I think additions years one thing that has come out of his process Not only in this do meetings. But i think a lot of people have found that working from home really massively increases their efficiency and makes them more productive now removed from nine observation with people. Were trying while homeschooling junior and their husbands desk right next to them or the white working talking on their cell phones that probably has been pretty challenging predom- but for those who are able to work in in a quiet workspace. I think a lot of people have probably learned. They're more productive spates. Yeah i think a lot of employers have realized that aspect of it you know that in fact this huge fear that productivity is gonna drop people are going to be messing around. I don't think that's the case. And i think that people at this point have relaxed enough to trust that and that takes it a step farther to allow people to manage their time on their own as they see fit as long as the work gets done. What does it matter if it's done after. The kids have gone to bed as long as you. You know. Returned all your phone calls. During the day you attended all the meetings you're supposed to do the work aspect of it. You know that ability to work around the spouse sitting next to you or you know the caregiver aspect of your life whether it's kids or family members whatever it might be. That flexibility is so amazing. And it's it's been such a blessing to be able to to do that just to just to get just organizer life. Even if you don't have kids we don't have kids and i still find it very distressing to be able organize my life. The way need to organize my life and still get my work done and not have to worry about. Are they gonna think. I'm slacking off. My might not doing what i need to do. All of those sorts of things right. That's a very interesting thing. I just said because of that. Recession voting booth slack off. My background is in big law firms and there was always reception. That abuse associates were in the office. They weren't working. So i mean it was actually kind of well. Rumor was made that there was kind of a patrol that walked the halls around six fifteen and evening to see who is still seated their guest so i hope an experience are no doubt i can really see. He's probably true. Yeah but i. This is disabused. A lot of those partners in law firms and employers in general sh from the idea have is on their employees or their associates. Nothing productive is happening. Because i think this has take. It's probably done the right amount wine to allow those that learning to take place the yes people can't be trusted. They are adults. They are human beings and at the same time. I think probably employers have identified those who can't really work that way to degrading more supervised and there are people who found out. They don't like working from home. Because i know that was that was the fear right went for for employers. Like if we allow this boy. It's going to be a mass exodus but that's not true. Either because there are a lot of people would want to work from home. You know whether it's because the spouses working from home and the kids are being schooled or whatever it might be or it's too much freedom. It's not enough structure. I mean you learn like you said being by yourself you are all kinds of things about yourself. Would you are faced with okay. Here's my day. And how do i feel it if i don't have my office to go to the break room to hang out in my colleagues to visit with. How do i still my day right. You know a lot of times lost in the workplace to notice visiting the water cooler conversations and hallway visits. That don't really need to take this now. Those mice means because we're human and social interaction and one downside of the experience has done a lot of people the enormous socialite isolation as lead to alf. That's Psychological banks things that are are very negative slow. I'm not in favor of just hunkering down on never seen another human being. I don't think that's good either. But there's a balance right like in everything in life and i think we're learnings and balance around some of these issues Yeah i agree. I agree completely. I think this you know you talk about. We were preparing for the show. We're talking with us idea of looking back. What can you take forward. What can leave behind. What doesn't serve you. And what can you take forward about yourself about. Work all of those sorts of things. What have you sort of. What have you found with your with your clients that you're seeing anything that stands out in particular people saying boy i realized this aspect of either myself or the way that i work just doesn't work for me i'm gonna liam leaving it behind. I realized this and going forward. I'm minute i'm gonna change it for me. I can say for me. One of the things i realized is everybody talks about networking right for the moment. You step in that law for everybody is about even in law. School got network a network. And i know everybody hears it. It's interesting what i never realized was how much networking we do in house. How much you take that for granted. So one of the. That's one of those lessons. I learned you know. Okay so the outside networking. I think i got that one. You know i know how to do that. I've got down. I got my system but the in-house networking when you aren't there to do that. How'd you manage that. How do you make that work going. Forward sas one of the things that i went. Okay here's a realization. I got this is not gonna work now. I gotta find a new way to do it. I have to move forward and find a new way to do that. I think that's a great observation. And i you know i think what you're touching on right now is that networking is about a number of people. You know or the number of people that know you. It's about the quality of the relationships that you and how you show up those people and until they know you maybe intimately because of the zoom setting they You don't have a network until you have those people surrounding knew who were act. You think they know what you're about and so it's really the quality and depth relationships that has so much more important than just wan- numbers and i smoked so much that in orange tony legal community people who would just go to name was to have their bases senior. There's certain benefit that no but it's no substitute for building. Those no relations were people understand you and they know what you're vowed i'll give you an example for my own recently. I joined a rotary club. Here and slam washington when i moved here and you know i had a hard time connecting with people and then very quickly this pandemic happened in. We're doing it in via zoom. And now i'm finding and really getting traction and some of those relationships With people i wouldn't have thought with willing were meeting in person. I wouldn't sat with lunch. But now i'm seeing them on zun any and they're seeing me and we're building relationships in this strange virtual Learning world so it's you know it's kinda reordered on some social conventions in a way that is is really positive. Yeah absolutely absolutely all right. We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back more from juliane takeaways from twenty twenty and looking forward to twenty twenty one. Stay with us. We'll be right back the average time a resume spends on an hr. Manager's desk is seven seconds and most of them are tossed aside now imagine if one of those resumes belonged to yasmine who was living in a shelter juggling three jobs. I had to be resilient. That's something that you can't teach worth. That resume was from someone who worked twelve hour shifts into recycling company with my dad. Who's seventy two. That taught me a work ethic that i care with me every day. We rely so much on a resume yet. It could never tell the full story of someone growing up bride. Did a lot of things could have gotten in the way of goals. But i learned to push through. And that's what i bring to work every day. So maybe it's time we looked beyond the resume and looked to grads of life. Discover new ways to develop great talent. That are so much more than what's on paper at gradsoflife dot org a public service announcement brought to you by gradsoflife and the ad council so if you enjoyed today's show do this sheriff's like give us a review on your favorite podcast app. It means a lot to us in an ensures. More people tune in and raise the bar at workplaces everywhere Welcome back and rewind where talking with life coach. Julie mccoy about lessons learned from twenty twenty. Joey what's your biggest lesson. Twenty twenty be less is to appreciate my brands like a lot of people who are very type a. I get caught up in a lot of tasks and ads. And as i look back onto money. Nineteen ideal ending early. Quarter to one each. I realized i on occasion declined invitations from brands to go and do things because i was busy. Eat with my projects that could wind like what but in my world view at the time. I just thought there would be unlimited opportunities interacting with friends. And i could do that another gay while when the governor shut us down on march seventeenth of last year. I was very quick to realize that. I regretted not taking up the sprouts on their offers when i could. And i've made a resolution nominee years nothing but set an intention going forward to remember that lesson and end. Set things aside because they really flown. Wait french sir. So award personal relationships. Your soul warton. So that's been a huge learning for need this year. Yeah i'd have to agree. I think that's one of the things that you know and when it started i kept thinking. Why 'cause dooms been around a while you know the ability to do a video conference calls been around for night. i i'm left thinking. Why didn't i do this sooner. Why didn't i take advantage of this ability to just chat with people said a night to have a glass of wine and catch up or whatever it might be an or just have lunch. You know the business side of things just still. I don't know why have it in my head. I had someone. Call me the other day that i hadn't talked to a while. We used to have a regular go out to lunch and catch up. Why have i just been reaching out to this person and saying okay get you. Let's go let's go on to something right. This means you're still important is tied aid people when you're in the middle of something how some deadline driven and goal oriented for so many years. Even i'm retired now. I can't pretend apply. Why can i don't shoots put down and go do something fun like at once. The brand or go. We're surrounded by weiner's year as titans to to go wind tasting with girlfriends when as soon as this lockdown his over and we can get back gallup safely. I'm there you to one of the things. I can't wait for that and to travel to be able to travel travel. Yes all right well as we look forward to twenty twenty one on the job. Coaching side to have any insights any thoughts any any suggestions for any of our listeners. Who might be struggling in their careers or having spent all this time. You know these past months working from home and maybe they've started to realize that they're not quite as fulfilled as they thought they were at the john. They had to have any insights for them. Any thoughts will. I thought is that i believe that. Each of us learned the lesson or lessons that we were destined to learn during the crucible of twenty two and those lessons apply directly to the things. You're talking about job satisfaction life. No meant so. I think it's gonna be very important because lessons. We don't get we're going to get to repeat over and over again and only do them. So i think it's important before we leave twenty twenty in the rear view mirrors and speak that when take time for sm reflection and introspection to think about okay during this chaos of this past year and the fear and anxiety passenger. What did i take away. What did i do better than. I thought he would. What new skill. That i moved. What new hobby. That i take what i learned about. E meetings or whatever it is there are ways in which each of us are taking something away from the message. Twenty twenty that wolster house. I in the future in light and our jobs and so i've been Before we just be exceed into twenty twenty one to go back to are always doing things. It's really important. Take a little bit of time to reflect on our takeaways. And what was that what we did learn how we didn't move ourselves because they pretty much guarantee not take our that people who are under some kind of existential threat which some people some of our neighbors are. As a result of the advancing twenty twenty was their income near john's their health Maybe severe psychological mode on hang that they're grappling with learning as very difficult in that kind of an environment absent an existing route. Twenty twenty was really the perfect environment for learning for the rest of us so to to not get the lesson. Having gone through going log on there would be a real tragedy so i would just encourage listeners to sit down With a parent and or glass of wine or just look in the sunset and tensed reflect upon what their takeaway is and then sunday. I have now. Coaching clients is that when the lesser the light turns on and they they got a lesson very often. It's quickly lost because they go right back to their own teams. That's human nature right some sometimes in order to keep a lessening. I suggest that people get a talisman ressemble of some sort and put it in some prominent plays of the beer note Sticking out taped bathroom mirror on in reminder. It could be something like you wanna remember that you can always suggested you're meeting the islamists person a little toy car on august next year monitor. That reminds you suggest just that we do this meeting remotely. This time. I could be something like that. Maybe a new item to the kitchen to remind you that you really are constantly cook now coming out on twenty twenty but sometimes i think having something physical debts cresent in some prominent place that you look at every day is good good thing to keep the lesson with you accu figure out what it is that being the first step i love it. That's a great staff. It's a great all right. Well i think we are just about at the end of our time delay. I wanna thank you so much for joining us sharing your insight and your wisdom and inspiration with our listeners. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Recent happy when aid money one every month. If you wanna find out more about julie and dragonfly coaching. You can find them on the web at dragonfly. Coach dot com. That's d. r. a. g. o. n. f. l. y. Coach julie dot com. You can also connect with julie. The site at sapphire legal dot com slash podcast. I also want to thank our listeners. My radio angels. James in the nave at night and workplace perspectives team. Extraordinaire our engineer producer. Paul roberts associate producer. Melissa delays music provided by the very talented stephen bruce aloni. Thank you all for joining us. I'm workplace perspective. And until next time the raising the bar.

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Episode #60  Take Aways and Reflections : Julie McCoy

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Episode #60 Take Aways and Reflections : Julie McCoy

"You're listening to a workplace perspective and employment law podcast presented by sapphire legal workplace. Perspective is a regular podcast series for employers and employees focusing on education training and the law to help organizations of all sizes develop and maintain successful workplace relationships. The opinions expressed by guests on workplace perspective. Do not necessarily reflect those of sapphire legal or it's attorneys should not be considered legal advice. And now here's your host founder and principle attorney at sapphire legal theresa mcqueen. Thank you james and welcome everyone to workplace perspective where we are striving to raise the bar at workplaces everywhere. Today we are excited to welcome back. Our first guest of the new year dragonfly. Coaching julia mccoy tilles. A life. coach will be talking with us about lessons. Learned from twenty twenty and we can take forward into this wonderful new year of twenty twenty one. It's a new year and it's going to be a great show. Don't go away. We'll be right back On workplace perspective do not necessarily reflect those of sapphire legal. Or it's attorneys. Ed should not be considered legal advice. You're listening to workplace perspective and employment law podcast presented by sapphire legal Back to our listeners. And welcome back to work place perspective. Julie mccoy thank you to recite a happy new year. And thank you for having me back again. Sorry excited. I love that. We've with scientific arthur time. We've had to kick off our new year. I think it's a great way to do it. Twenty twenty one. Can you believe it. thank goodness right. Never so happy to see a year in the rear view mirror ever well. This is a great topic today. We're gonna be talking about lessons from twenty twenty one that we can take forward with us into this new year. What we could use to improve ourselves improve our lines and provide quality of lives and leaving behind everything. That doesn't serve us. So i am so excited to talk about this list. Jump right into it. Well thank you theresa sought. I've done a lot of reflecting on your twenty eight twenty as we leave it in the rear view mirror. Thank goodness but i. I think it's really important for your listeners. To before they russ not normalcy and twenty twenty one whenever that takes place. I think it's really important to reflect upon things that they undoubtedly learned in the what i call the whistle of twenty twenty because it was that for many of us and some of us bar more than others but You know there's a seeing among the coaching community. There's no comfort in the growth zone and no growth in the comfort zone and we've all been terribly uncomfortable to varying degrees where the past year and we now see the light. The end of the tunnel return to our normal are were teens and had dick schedules. And and i think it's really important to tag out or the experience of twenty twenty uncomfortable experience the lessons that we all learned and in a city. Here right now. Sort of your listeners may be dismissing that Because you know it they were mostly more focused on the pain and how to get it and what was going to happen next year that accompanied all of his nyan certainty of it but invariably we. I am certain that we all learned things. Maybe we learned a new skill for example. I know a lot of people Might i'll take myself as an example. I wasn't really much of a cook. Started this process. Why us man. I ate out a lot. We got to take now snatch And all of a sudden is down than i had. Actually prepare a week's worth of menus. Arkansas and prepare food and i became a much better cook because i had to learn how to do things like substitute ingredients. And before i was just following the recipe rigidly. Because that's all i knew how to do. I had no idea. I'm substitute well. If you can't just run out in store to get one item because that's too dangerous right to your hell. I figure that out. So there's there was real learning around that For me i. I know of other people who had to learn how to be alone. Alana people just really can't stand thought of being alone and on the isolation of this pandemic inspires ties into that You know i would say that as we need this year last year behind us it's important to take a moment to reflect on what we gained on and there were a lot of positives. They came out of twenty twenty on on a broader scale For example the images of the clear skies in los angeles on this beautiful days when there was no pollution the images of the himalayan mountain one which you never see right because it's always obscured and smog the fact that a lot of us learned that our lives were so much more hectic when we were running around in our cars going back and forth to meetings there was so much easier just to sit down at our desk in have a really productive meeting right absolutely you know i find that amazing now and that was one of the first things i noticed was how much time i saved by not having to and i still get ready the i get up i put my hair up close make a module around and everything but still it's so awesome how much time you save right and you're saving the environment at time and you arrive at meetings not so frazzled especially in southern california when you're driving in traffic all of the time i you know i just woke that going forward some of us will remember value of hadden's gm meetings which they seem very awkward in the beginning and some people tatum so much they just signed off and reviews combat but were those of us who had to stick it out. There were these we had to accomplish. I think we learned how to work through the awkwardness of winners. It might've speedy and ocean to conduct brisson's talking and once we did that we download it was really reducted platform for getting things done and could sit down calmly in our desk with a cup of coffee or glass of water and proceed to our meeting without the rush of. Oh i just got the freeway. I'm laid i gotta find parking place. Got a russian take an elevator. So i i just hope that some of us will from time to time and undoubtedly in person meetings organic resume as soon as nike And i hope that some of the small may be take her pause and every now and then say you know. This meeting doesn't have to be. We're solidity in the comfort of our own homes or on offices and students via zoom or via conference call. Do you think that's going to be a trend. A lot organizations that. I belong to have taken this idea that they're going to continue to move forward in a hybrid fashion because a lot of people on the business side. There's really interesting aspects on the business side to it and on the organizational side the philanthropic side. There's this it's a weird phrase to us but there's an intimacy to being on zoom call even in a big group that you don't get our im- person and you get locked because you get lost in a crowd. You can't see everyone you can't necessarily reach out and talk to someone as readily as you would because you don't want to interrupt a conversation are you can't get somebody's attention or you just can't get across the room in time to say hi but there's this really unique aspect if people can put aside the bad things that they don't like about zoom meetings there really are some amazing aspects to it and that intimacy is one of it that that togetherness in that environment that closed sort of environment. I know it's flat but it still. There's just something about it. So i really hope that we don't lose that as well at that. Some of those aspects do continue. I think a lot of visits. Lisa wins that i've talked to a really thinking of ways to maintain that hybrid attitude. Yes i think that'll be a very valuable thing. And i agree with you on the intimacy aspect. I don't think that's a strange word. She news at all because each person speaks. Like you. Say in large meeting there as stills screen. You're like sitting right next to them because you are sitting. I'm literally twelve inches from my computer minister light near and and i think it's also much to more colegio meanings Because people are in that situation where you know so close to someone. So you're not as inclined to interrupt and i've seen people being more respectful of the other speakers in group studying than they would be on the same room which is really interest is great and the time saving to. I've had colleagues comment. On the fact. That meetings are more streamlined. People get on get to the point and he do business and were out of harrods. It's really an interesting at timesaver on so many levels i love it. It is and i think you know. I think additions years one thing that has come out of his process Not only in this do meetings. But i think a lot of people have found that working from home really massively increases their efficiency and makes them more productive now removed from nine observation with people. Were trying while homeschooling junior and their husbands desk right next to them or the white working talking on their cell phones that probably has been pretty challenging them. But for those who are able to work in in a quiet workspace. I think a lot of people have probably learned. They're more productive spates. Yeah i think a lot of employers have realized that aspect of it you know that in fact this huge fear that productivity is gonna drop people are going to be messing around. I don't think that's the case. And i think that people at this point have relaxed enough to trust that and that takes it a step farther to allow people to manage their time on their own as they see fit as long as the work gets done. What does it matter if it's done after. The kids have gone to bed as long as you. You know. Returned all your phone calls. During the day you attended all the meetings you're supposed to do the work aspect of it. You know that ability to work around the spouse sitting next to you or you know the caregiver aspect of your life whether it's kids or family members whatever it might be. That flexibility is so amazing. And it's it's been such a blessing to be able to to do that just to just to get just organizer life. Even if you don't have kids we don't have kids and i still find it very distressing to be able to organize my life. The way need to organize my life and still get my work done and not have to worry about. Are they gonna think. I'm slacking off. My might not doing what i need to do. All of those sorts of things right. That's a very interesting thing. I just said because of that. Recession voting booth slack off. My background is in big law firms and there was always reception. That abuse associates were in the office. They weren't working. So i mean there was actually kind of well. Rumor was made there was kind of a patrol that walked the halls around six fifteen and evening to see who is still needed their guest so i hope experience are no doubt i can really see. He's probably true. Yeah but i. This is disabused. A lot of those partners in law firms and employers in general sh from the idea have is on their employees or their associates. Nothing productive is happening. Because i think this has take. It's probably done the right amount wine to allow those that learning to take place. The yes people can be trusted. They are adults. They are human beings and at the same time. I think probably employers have identified those who can't really work that way. Degrading wore supervised and there are people who found out. They don't like working from home. Because i know that was that was the fear right went for for employers. Like if we allow this boy. It's going to be a mass exodus but that's not true. Either because there are a lot of people would want to work from home. You know whether it's because the spouses working from home and the kids are being schooled or whatever it might be or it's too much. Freedom is not enough structure. I mean you learn like you said being by yourself you all kinds of things about yourself would you are faced with okay. Here's my day. And how do i feel it if i don't have my office to go to the break room to hang out in my colleagues to visit with. How do i still my day right. You know a lot of times lost in the workplace to notice visiting the water conversations and hallway visits. That don't really need to take this now. Those mice means because we're human and social interaction and one downside of the experience has done a lot of people the enormous socialite isolation as lead to alf. that's Psychological banks things that are are very negative slow. I'm not in favor of just auguring down and never seen another human being. I don't think that's good either. But there's a balance right like in everything in life and i think we're learning and balance around some of these issues Yeah i agree. I agree completely. I think this you know you talk about. We were preparing for the show. We're talking with us idea of looking back. What can you take forward. What can leave behind. What doesn't serve you. And what can you take forward about yourself about. Work all of those sorts of things. What have you sort of. What have you found with your with your clients that you're seeing anything that stands out in particular people saying boy i realized this aspect of either myself or the way that i work just doesn't work for me i'm gonna liam leaving it behind. I realized this going forward. I'm gonna. I'm gonna change it for me. I can say for me. One of the things i realized is everybody talks about networking right for the moment. You step in that law for everybody is about even in law. School got network a network. And i know everybody hears it. It's interesting what i never realized was how much networking we do in house. How much you take that for granted. So one of the. That's one of those lessons. I learned you know. Okay so the outside networking. I think i got that one. You know i know how to do that. I've got down. I got my system but the in-house networking when you aren't there to do that. How'd you manage that. How do you make that work going. Forward that's one of the things that i went. Okay here's a realization. I got this is not gonna work now. I gotta find a new way to do it. I have to move forward and find a new way to do that. I think that's a great observation. And i you know i think what you're touching on right now is that networking is about a number of people. You know or the number of people that know you. It's about the quality of the relationships that you and how you show up those people and until they know you maybe intimately because of the zoom setting they You don't have a network until you have those people surrounding knew who were act. You think they know what you're about and so it's really the quality and duct relationships that has so much more important than just won- numbers and i smoked so much that in orange tony legal community people who would just go to name was to have their bases senior. There's certain benefit that no but it's no substitute for building. Those no relations were people understand you and they know what you're vowed i'll give you an example for my own recently. I joined a rotary club here and slammed washington. When i moved here. And you know. I had a hard time connecting with people and then very quickly this pandemic happened in. Were doing everything via zoom. And now i'm finding and really getting traction and some of those relationships With people i wouldn't have thought with willing were meeting in person. I wouldn't sat with lunch. But now i'm seeing them on zun any and they're seeing me and we're building relationships in this strange virtual Learning world so it's you know it's kinda reordered on some social conventions in a way that is is really positive. Yeah absolutely absolutely all right. Well we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back more from juliane takeaways from twenty twenty and looking forward to twenty twenty one. Stay with us. We right back the average time. A resume spends on an hr. Manager's desk is seven seconds and most of them are tossed aside now imagine if one of those resumes belonged to yasmine who was living in a shelter juggling three jobs. I had to be resilient. That's something that you can't teach worth. That resume was from someone who worked twelve hour shifts into recycling company with my dad. Who's seventy two. That taught me a work ethic that i care with me every day. We rely so much on a resume yet it could never tell the full story of someone growing up rided. A lot of things could have gotten in the way of goals. But i learned to push through. And that's what i bring to work every day. So maybe it's time we looked beyond the resume and looked to grads of life. Discover new ways to develop great talent. That are so much more than what's on paper at gradsoflife dot org a public service announcement brought to you by gradsoflife and the ad council so if you enjoyed today's show do this sheriff's like give us a review on your favorite podcast app. It means a lot to us in an ensures. More people tune in and raise the bar at workplaces everywhere Welcome back everyone. Where talking with life coach julie mccoy about lessons learned from twenty twenty joey. What's your biggest lesson. Twenty twenty you less is to appreciate my brands like a lot of people who are very type a. I get caught up in a lot of tasks and ads. And as i look back onto money. Nineteen ideal ending early. Quarter to one each. I realized i on occasion declined invitations from brands to go and do things. Because i was dizzy. Eat with my projects that could wind like what but in my world view at the time. I just thought there would be unlimited opportunities interacting with friends. And i could do that another gay while when the governor shut us down on march seventeenth of last year i was very quick to realize i regretted not taking up the sprouts on their offers when i could and i've made her a resolution nominee years nothing but set an intention going forward to remember that lesson in and set things aside because they really long wait french sir so award personal relationships. Your soul warton. So that's been a huge learning for need this year. Yeah i'd have to agree. I think that's one of the things that you know and when it started i kept thinking. Why 'cause dooms been around a while you know the ability to do a video conference calls been around for night. i i'm left thinking. Why didn't i do the sooner. Why didn't i take advantage of this ability to just chat with people said a night to have a glass of wine and catch up or whatever it might be an or just have lunch. You know the business side of things just still. I don't know why have it in my head. I had someone. Call me the other day that i hadn't talked to a while. We used to have a regular go out to lunch and catch up. Why have i just been reaching out to this person and saying okay get you. Let's go let's go on to something right. That's been important is tied aid people when you're in the middle of something how some deadline and goal oriented for so many years. Even i'm retired now. I can't pretend why. Can i don't shoots put down and go do something fun. Like at once. The brand or go. We're surrounded by weiner's year as tynan's to to get wine tasting with girlfriends when as soon as this lockdown is over and we can get back yard safely. I'm there you to one of the things. I can't wait for that and to travel to be able to travel travel. Yes all right well as we look forward to twenty twenty one on the job. Coaching side to have any insights any thoughts any any suggestions for any of our listeners. Who might be struggling in their careers or having spent all this time. You know these past months working from home and maybe they've started to realize that they're not quite as fulfilled as they thought they were at the john. They had to have any insights for them. Any thoughts will. I thought is that i believe that. Each of us learned the lesson or lessons that we were destined to learn during the crucible of twenty two one and those lessons apply directly to the things. You're talking about job satisfaction life with no meant so. I think it's gonna be very important because lessons. We don't get we're going to get to repeat over and over again and only do them so. I think it's important before we leave. Twenty twenty in the rear view mirrors and speak that when take time for sm reflection and introspection to think about okay during this chaos of this past year and the fear and anxiety passenger. What did i take away. What did i do better than. I thought he would. What new skill. That i moved. What new hobby. That i take what i learn about. E meetings or whatever it is there are ways in which each of us are taking something away from the message. Twenty twenty that wolster. I in the future in light and our jobs and so i've been Before we just be exceed into twenty twenty one to go back to are always doing things. It's really important. Take a little bit of time to reflect on our takeaways. And what was that what we did learn how we didn't move ourselves because they pretty much guarantee not take our that people who are under some kind of existential threat which some people some of our neighbors are as a result of the advancing twenty twenty Laws of their income near john's their health Maybe severe psychological on hang that they're grappling with learning as very difficult in that kind of an environment absent an essential rat. Twenty twenty was really the perfect environment for learning for the rest of us so to to not get the lesson having gone through coiling log on there with the a real tragedy so i would just encourage listeners to sit down With a pen and paper or glass of wine or just look in the sunset and tensed reflect upon what their takeaway is and then sunday. I have now. Coaching clients is that when the lesser the light turns on and they they got a lesson very often. It's quickly lost because they go right back to their own teams. That's human nature right. Some sometimes in order to keep a lessening is suggest that people got a talisman ressemble of some sort and put it in some prominent plays of the beer note sticking out taped bathroom miller on in reminder. It could be something like you wanna remember that you can always suggested you're meeting the islamists person a little toy car next year monitor. That reminds you suggest just that we do this meeting remotely this times. I could be something like that. Maybe a new item to the kitchen to remind you that you really are constantly cook now coming out on twenty twenty but sometimes i think having something physical debts cresent in some prominent place that you look at every day is good good thing to keep the lesson with you accu figure out what it is that being the first step i love it. That's a great staff. It's a great all right. Well i think we are just about at the end of our time delay. I wanna thank you so much for joining us sharing your insight and your wisdom and inspiration with our listeners. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Recent happy when money one every month. If you wanna find out more about julie and dragonfly coaching you can find them on the web. At dragonfly. Coach dot com. That's d. r. a. g. o. n. f. l. y. Coach julie dot com. You can also connect with julie the our website at sapphire legal dot com slash. Podcast i also want to thank our listeners. My radio angels. 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TCF Ep. 558 - Melissa Breyer & Emily Sujay Sanchez

The Candid Frame

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TCF Ep. 558 - Melissa Breyer & Emily Sujay Sanchez

"This episode of the cantor frame is sponsored by the charcoal book club. The charcoal book club is a monthly subscription service for photo book enthusiast working with the most respected names in contemporary photography. Charcoal selects delivers essential. Photo books to a worldwide community of collectors each month members receive a signed first edition monograph and exclusive print ads their collections. Join the club by visiting charcoal book. Club dot com and use the promo code. The can't frame at checkup and receive a ten percent discount on your first membership payment back in two thousand nineteen. I interviewed photographer. Narasaki me ova about her. Founding of women street photographers a collection of hundreds of women who share a passion for street photography. What began as one. Woman's inspiration has turned into a community that has showcased and inspired photographers. The world over the annual exhibits have displayed. Amazing work the breakthrough any assumed limitations of sexuality and locality. The recent release of the book women street photographers provide a new way for that talent to be displayed and shared and today we speak to two photographers were included in that monograph. The first is melissa. Brier also provides the forward to the book. Her work consists of ongoing themed projects including true stories watch woman and city of clouds. Emily's j sanchez is a relative newcomer to the world of street photography her on the lot next communities of upper manhattan and the bronx results enrich photographs of an overlooked community especially among street offers. They are only two of numerous talent. Who's worked can be found in. The seminal book. This is a body ex and welcome back to the candidate for him first off. Congratulations on the book. It is non gyda fantastic job putting it together. Yeah i know a lot of work. God knows especially wrangling. That many photographers especially street photographers. I don't get it. yeah. I don't know how she did it. A real feet but she's supernatural so might makes sense. So how did you become involved with her. 'cause i think out of advocate. How long ago she started. Women streep otographer with tell me about how each of you found out about her. And how you got involved in the community that cheapo. He found me on instagram and asked me to join the group Or that she wanted to share a picture mine. I forget the early days before the first show and a coach. I just couldn't believe it. We had tried to get a group of women tigers together in new york before and it was a nice little effort but it didn't quite pan out the way that group did so that group kind of got folded into her group Glenora dynamic in such a force of nature and she just made everything happened. I joined the followed the page then and was in the first show and i think every show after that and we just became friends because also one of the things that this group meets what before the pandemic we would meet once a month and have kind of a potluck dinner at somebody's house so it was a real. It was a really neat way to start to get to meet people. Get everything off of social media. Just have some face to face time that we a lot of us bonded through. That rang a good friend of mine had contacted me. This was like two years ago And said hey. Those is amazing. Women street photography show going on. I think you should check it all. We'll take a look and i did. The show was in harlem at the gallery. Ps one oh nine in harlem and i went to the show beautiful experience amazing photographs and i remember standing in front of the sign. That said women street photographers. And i stood in front obeyed. I took a salty. And i told myself one day i am going to be part of the show. I don't know when. But but i am. I was waiting. You know thinking that perhaps in the full there would be a call you know for the show but it was like within weeks after visiting the show that i started following women photography in she posted on that he was doing an open call in. I submitted my work in fast forward. Spring i had an honorable mentioned was elected than to be part of the show and she invited me to come to one of these potluck dinners that nah was talking about. So that's when we started our our relationship. What has been one of the more important aspects of of having this having this community for each of you well for me. I would say is instilling confidence. Believe in my work and having a group of women around me that love what they do in seen that as an example i mean to me. He's been that. I can definitely see that i think also for me. There's just a sense of community so there's a lot of street photography community around but it's mostly boys club no offense to them but having this community of strong talented great women. Altogether was so inspiring. And especially you know. I come from older new york art scene where people would go to people's studios in hang out and talk about art with social media which is so so great but there's not so much of that face to face in the community is just different. So having this kind of a strong face-to-face communities. Been really really cool for me. When i've gotten into in groups where either because of culture racer some some other sort of linkage. It's nice to be within a group. I don't have to explain myself or justify myself. Is that something another benefit of being being especially as an artist photographer. Yeah definitely. I would say that's definitely true for you. I i agree i agree. It's women who are on the same course producing work enemies in works then being able to support you know one another one way or another. You know one of the things. I really loved about your your forward to the book was when you were going over. The history of photography in in and different seminole women in different points in there. And i liked that. It kind of paralleled. The rights and the freedoms that women developed over time and sort of paralleled that with with the history of photography and yeah. I thought that was really interesting. Especially when you start you know start with that anecdote from the very beginning talk about that and and why you decided to write you know the forward in that particular way others really interested in in a history that we don't hear very much about We hear all about the damn street photographers and all the iconic brisson and all of the of the icons and we don't hear very much about the women street and i thought do they even exist. Are they even there. So i wanted to go back since thankfully. The history of photography is not that long. I knew i could go back to the beginning and really see like where were they. What were the women doing back. Then 'cause i figured there had to be women doing photography but we don't hear about them. I really just started looking at looking for the first first woman street photographer and i want to talk a for and i street and just kind of making this putting everything at context and found is i started going along that there were all these parallels with with women's rights and with the technology of photography and women going out there and making photographs and just completely coalesced into this narrative for me so kind of the story kind of told itself. People often talk about the advancement in technology. Like going from these sort of large glass pipe. Middle play cameras into more compact portable. And how that provided a better means for people to sort of navigate the streets with the camera but that didn't stop some the women that you noted in the book from going out there and making the photographs and mazing especially at a time where where just being out there with a camera period especially a large camera like that major kind of an anomaly but on top of that being a woman that sort of the takeaway a for me is how women then and now just take ownership of of the fact that i wanna make this kind of work and i don't care what other people say or whether that are not they are even myself. I feel like i'm represented. This is when i wanna do. And i think that's a really powerful thing. It's really reinforced. Not only in in the book. But as i suspect the community you guys have a built together. Tell me about when you were sort of starting off as as as quote unquote street photographers about that. Idea of finding your your place in that and and feeling like a this is. This is my thing. This is something. I feel like i meant to do. I didn't even really know. I think this is experiencing a lot of people. I didn't know that i was doing street photography. I was doing travel photography. I was doing what. I thought was travel photography at home and i didn't realize that there was a thing called targets because i just hadn't At the time hadn't had a very extensive background history photography. I was fine. Art historian and decorative arts story. So i was doing street. Photography which i didn't know wisconsin and i was on facebook and i started sharing some of my photos and i was like. Oh wow. you're street photographer on mike. I am okay. And then i started finding groups astute talker fy group. I just it. It all completely clicked at that point. You know. i've always been a visual artist so it didn't. I never felt this challenge like that and being especially in new york city which is just everything goes. I never felt like a real challenge. I wasn't in my place or this was not a thing that women would do. I was just doing it. And i felt like the Community was very very welcoming. And for me. I wanna say probably something along those lines. I really didn't have some label. I know that i was out taking photographs. It wasn't really until people started saying. Oh you do street photography or your street photographer and then the league of women. A women's street photographer It wasn't until then that i realized okay. Well this is what i do. But i'm also thinking that. I wanna move mooring too. I feel like i'm documenting like for me. That's my experience what i'm doing instead. I'm i'm documenting experiences. The things that i see the things that i loved things never present me and then i came to know that there is documentary. Work as well so So's coming along the lines of somebody. You know saying you're photographer. It's easy for people who come to st photography. Now to assume that it's primarily an aesthetic practice is about creating cooling with light and shadow. Or you know stuff like that. So much is informed by photojournalism practice in documentary. Practice is that street. Photography to some extent is either influencers derived from from that When i looked for the images in in the book so much of the work that i saw produced and a lot of People that you talked about in your in your forward where 'bout photographing communities cultures events that were within the orbit of the photographers who are making the photographs. It wasn't just going to some destination because it has cool light or because it has interesting character. Renault your work a really kind of focuses on on your community in in new york. Tell me about the drive. And what inspires you in terms of turning your camera to spaces. That are very familiar with you a rather than going somewhere else. Just because it's a hot place to go to voters right is just as important for me. It's important for me to document people that look for a that. Look like me because as we all known for such a long time and still. It's sort of hard to find ourselves. You know in in places that i feel we rightfully belong. You know it's just it's important. Representation is important bastards at the bottom line. I want to ensure that. I can capture my community in an honest way in an honorable way. You know in a beautiful way that when you are able to look at a bill got picture anywhere that you are able to see yourself and be proud of of that so for me. It is just really you know to ensure that that were represented. I interviewed melissa. Shaughnessy who in the book love. Which is an amazing book ended up itself but she's a wonderful photographer but one of the things that we discussed in terms of hard images were different. It was it was her height that created a much different experience in the photographs. And i really noticed that and she said that. That's a comment. That's been made by other photographers. In terms of relative perspective to what was happening created a of a difference that the experience of seeing images was unlike other other things that i had seen. And that's just relative to to hype. But it's always kind of curious as to what aspects of you being women out in the street results in imagery that's different or result in a different different approach. Can you may not be simply relegated to the fact that you're women but is there some aspect of physicality the way the earn the the interaction that you think results in photographs that has somehow a little bit distinctive melissa to start with you. It's a really good question. And i think about it a lot and i. I'm not quite sure. I'm very very non confrontational in life especially in photography. So i've never take photos where i'm gonna make somebody uncomfortable or being their face or used flash And i don't know that can be called a gender decision. Because i'm a woman. I'm try to kind of be a little more behind the scenes. Yeah so i don i. I'm not really sure. I saw some women's Who are very aggressive. And i know meant to pursue are also very kind of subtle and try to disappear into the background. So it's kinda hard to generalize like that. I'm always trying to capture. A mode sets very expressive. It's very artistic. It's a little more artsy than documentary. My photographs but i don't necessarily think that's gender specific either but it is a it is. I have a very strong hunger to capture a mood. So whatever that's worth. I usually described the kind of two approaches. They are for straight talker. And it's used by a lot of people. It's either being of a fisherman. Hunter in terms of the fishermen is the kind of person who looks at the scene kind of evaluate valuated for its potential from light and lying in shape in the waist for things to sort of converge a moment to present itself and there are other people that dislike. They're moving like sharks you know they're they're they're looking for it and just leap out like a panther to grab grab the shot. Which of those two are you if not completely. How much would you say your one versus the other. I think i would say. I'm a little bit more of a fisherman but i don i'm more of a i led the moment happen. I'm there the moment is happening. And i'm capturing this moment that just occurred in front of me. i don't so much. My process is not so much. As i'm going to go out to see you know what i can find at sunset when i know or the golden hour or or whatever it is is just more of like i let the magic happen yasha. Tam kind of inbetween. Probably a little more of a fisher woman person. But i'm not very patient so i maybe have the pace more of a hunter and the pace of hunter but the mindset of a. I don't have patience disater. I know some people sit around for the longest time and wait for the perfect person to walk into the perfect seen in Admire that. But i don't have the patience right. Someone said that to me is an assignment for us in a corner and just sit there and wait in watch and i was like now. I can't take it like i know i just. I will walk in. Not into my moment that i will capture waited on the spot for forty five minutes or something. Sometimes it's paid off and sometimes it's not and it's like you feel that i should leave. I should leave now. They're not just getting another ten minutes. Magical moment i could have captured and forty five minutes per not give that up. You gotta get that out. Because i go. You know that thought of it'll be better around the corner. 'cause i think it's so many times where i just just as i leave it happens and i call dammit. I should have stayed there. But i think one of the things. It's kind of interesting regardless of sexes. Idea of finding what your approach is. A lot of people's especially on youtube are sharing their techniques. This sort of approaches. There's no singular way of being able to do this Whether you're fishing hunting or something in between for me it's it was really important to find something that worked for me because if i tried to do something that was not natural to me. It made the whole process of just being present and making photographs almost impossible so i really would love to talk about how each of you sort of found you know. You're fit in terms of like yeah. I'm hearing at all these different approaches and all these techniques is the should use in. This is the camera you can use. These are the settings and finally just say that's just too much my head is gonna explode. This is the way i'm gonna do it. So tell me about that journey. And what how you came to finding that space for yourself. When i talked about joining facebook for the first time in being introduced to the world the street photography it opened up Huge world All these different styles people were doing. I was really kind of like everything was so shiny new. I was really attracted to like the people who are doing these really funny shots and people doing these like really like high contrast. I was kind of like a kidney kennedy. What all these people are doing is incredible and I didn't know that i had my style yet. Because i was really like. I wanted to do funny photos. And i was kept trying to funny photos like working for visual. Pundit i just was terrible at it and then is trying to do this or that and eventually i just decided okay. None of this is working. You just have to go like like what do i really feel. What draws me. What do i like. What do i see that that talks to me in resonates and it was just really kind of listening to listening to that and working with nat and really kind of just being like very true to to my heart in what was pulling me and i eventually just completely created my style intentional. It was very organic. Because i realized being intentional about trying to see what i wanted to say didn't work so i just kind of became very intuitive for me i i like to think of myself as someone. I'm really sensitive to the core. I'm really sensitive. And i feel everything. So i work mostly based on that. It's not i don't. I don't even know that. I categorize myself as having a certain type of style. I've heard and i've listened to people describe my work especially along the lines of it being just raw. I just i photograph what i what. I'm feeling what what draws me. And at that moment. So i feel like i'm just at the beginning of my photography career is well so i'm Learning and i'm learning. I'm learning myself. So i don't know that i can really be specific to to say that i have this one style or that i've developed this certain type of a of a photographing Because i started which i feel like now moving more into a documentary work and then who knows what else so. It's more about just like what. I'm feeling what i wanna create. New york was real hard by covert especially early on. I saw the pictures video. The streets just being empty so street photographers definitely a challenge. Did you guys sort of deal with that time. In terms of your your creativity and your you know being able to have your usual outlet. How did you contend with that. I was. I was so bummed out like with the entire world i was i was. I was bummed out. I I do collages. So i started to dabble into collage like painting and collage. Saying i was in the house for about a month when we were lot lot. I work for nonprofits on the front lines. So i had to be back on the streets after that mom and i just tell me like to photograph people with masks like like oh. This is not mcdonagh. Attractive commerce after mode of phase or anything. I'm not going to be able to do this. That was really my attitude. And i was like really credible. I wish i would have been more on the three second. More photographs knew this was going to happen in son and so forth and it happened on that very first day that i was out i had to go into my office during my break. I decided to walk the financial district which that's one of our offices on. Its i and i found this man standing against a wall and the light was hitting him and that was enacted. You see massacre no mass. You're gonna make it happen. That was it for mean. Yeah i. I wasn't so happy with the mask situation. I really really missing people's faces and seeing expression and I didn't like it. But i kept going out to try and i felt like i just have to keep going out and trying even if i didn't take a picture at least i was going out to try and thinking. Maybe something happened that never. Nothing ever really happened. I think i have maybe three photos from the last year. That i would that i like and haven't even uploaded any of them to the computer anything. I took a bunch of film. i haven't developed it. Just kind of like a non europe pataki for me which is okay. Because i've been doing it long enough now. I think it was fine to take a little break and unlike a lot of people. My job changed in february right before the lockdown and got really really really busy so i was pretty much been head down for the last year with work. So it kind of worked out okay but At this point. I am so eager to get out there and start thinking about his again. It says i. It's it's all. I'm really thinking about so soon hopefully. Do you think this time whether you were going out making a lot of pictures or none for a period of time. Do you think that sort of shifted your perspective in terms of how you see or how you will be making photographs when things return quote unquote normal. I'm not really sure. I don't know what to expect. I think i really have no idea what to expect. I mean i kind of feel like it will just be a fine my old grove but maybe not i mean i'm definitely Different person after this year. I think the city is going to be different after this year. So it's kinda hard to say the question. I admit that youtube can be a good photography resource especially when it comes to equipment and gear. It can also be a place to find out about photographers in the work. If you're discerning enough you can find voices on that platform that provide good solid information and inspiration for you to grow as a photographer. 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I can't thank you enough but if you're listening hasn't done that yet. You can help. Contribute to our work but becoming a patriotic supporter. Today you can do that by contributing five dollars ten dollars. Twenty dollars or more a month. By visiting patriarch dot com forward slash. The candidate frame just five dollars a month from you could make a big difference. Thank you so much for your kindness and your help. I've been off the streets now pretty much for since the beginning. We take care of my mother-in-law she's eighty seven eighty eight so she's at. She's at risk. So i just. We just didn't feel. It was a good thing for me to go down to my usual spots so i've been doing some personal work but it's been i think last week i was just really feeling the edge. I was really getting irritable. I just wanted to just get both shots on the same day and just get the hell out there. It starts making some progress. But i kind of think that having that done it actively i'm have their to feelings. I'm experiencing a great level of insecurity in terms of going back there and making photographs and learning about you know have i lost whatever skill and talented. I've developed over these many years and we'll be able to get back into making a good photograph. And just and just getting an in getting back that confidence about interacting in navigating around people because they think people even if they get their shots and stuff like that there's going to be a hypersensitivity to proximity that didn't exist before all this happened like you said i have no idea how that's gonna how that's going to happen because i am. I like i like getting close. I like getting in with a twenty eight millimeter at twenty four millimeter in getting within three feet. And not that. I'm like assaulting people but you know with a twenty four millimeter. I can sort of negotiate myself around the madam that necessarily being conscious of the fact that i'm there and make them make the make graphs and it's like. There's a whole lot of nervous nervousness self-doubt insecurity that's coming up as i start thinking increasingly about Getting back up there. So which is one of the reasons. I i ask you the question because i especially in new york where the dynamic is so different from la about you. You made a face. When i mentioned it so i was gonna say. Just come to new york where people have no respect for space that everybody i was out earlier in everybody's religious on top of everybody's still walking normally like mexico so that was a worry of mine of okay once we go back to some normalcy. Whatever it's going to be you know. Are people going to be extremely apprehensive up being coast to other people. I know i am the keys. You know giving my space. But i'm out here in it. It doesn't seem that way. Everybody has their masks than they're moving along. I think like a new yorker. Just the key writing in you. Guys are moving so fast and it doesn't matter. I can try one of the interesting things about looking at at the book and looking at the photographs there because even though there's just like one singular photograph each for each photographer. I was really taken by. How so many of them were photographing like human interactions. Either with other people like reacting to someone else or somehow that they were somehow connected to the environment that they were in and that it wasn't just about own. Here's an interesting scene. Let's just plop an interesting character or subject that serves just as a visual counterpoint. That it's always. They seem that so many of the images were about relationships in one form of an another. And i'm really curious in terms of when you guys have the chance to take a look at the images in the book. Was there anything that you saw that you felt like that you picked up on in any pick particular way that gave you a greater appreciation for not only the work that you were looking at in the book before you were doing yourselves only makes me think about just how awesome women are is really focused on these amazing images and stories and then just motivating me to create bigger and better works sign. I know that doesn't specifically answer what you're saying but i'm more asking but for me it was just like wow. How often are we in. It doesn't matter where we are in the world. women are always going to prevail one way or another. Yeah i think that was a really interesting observation I was just shocked by how strong like each image that one after the next just great collection of images and i felt like there is a certain feel of I know this work gets overused a lot but there is so much authenticity with with each image and i didn't like a lot of I see a lot that feels very derivative like everybody wants to shoot like saul lighter. You know there's a lot of derivative. And i feel like this completely just skipped right over that a lot of feelings of authenticity and i also think it's such a a brilliant move to have everybody's story with image that this never seen that there's always so much mystery and someone will put like a profound lyric with the song but just to have like personal experience of of taking the photo i think is really has had a really big impact. When i've looked through instagram there are a lot of images in there that i think are that are technically. Well done the nicer compose us. Great light but as i'm swiping through there i'm waiting for that makes go. Oh you know something that gets me to vocalise in go. Oh my god so good and it goes so beyond anything that the photographer was doing. Technically and there's something needs to set at that sort of genuineness that the sincerity of the image that i think is really tied to how the photographer not only seize the moment but like you were saying how a photographer felt the moment. And that's a really hard thing to achieve in a photograph. But i suspect that each of you have had that moment and when you think about one of your pictures where you feel that what what what. What is it about the moment in how you responded to it. That makes you when you see the image that you feel like it does have that genuineness that goes beyond anything that you did. Technically can you guys can describe any aspect of that. The health shida understand when it is definitely working for you yourself photographer. I mean that's kind of my standard. When editing or sequencing. If i feel that little excitement everybody oh you know the by have that with my own work than than. That's a photo that cher or put into my body of work that it doesn't happen very often so a share images not that frequently. At first i was sharing a image every single day. And now it's like maybe a year of i'm lucky It's it's kind of a profound thing. I don't really know what is a what what it is. It speaks to a person when they had that reaction to one of their own photos. It's kind of esoteric. It's just when everything works together for me it just when it just everything is just has a certain dynamic in it sings in. It expresses what. I was feeling at that time. That's when i get my little. Oh i know that you really touched on it earlier. That it's all about feeling for you but can you expand on that a little bit emily. While when you're when you pose the question it made me think about a particular photograph that a growing one of the black lives matters protests that i attended which This photo is to officers. Well three officers in one african american officer in the background putting a fire out and it was one of those moments where a myself myself reading the image because it moved me so much and i just knew that he would do that. You know for others to me was like the irony of you know. Even in the middle of a crises here is a black man having to save himself and others as well and in regards to you know. When i may be posed for when i'm looking at my my words i don't post too. Why don't show. If i myself don't feel strongly about it by feel that it's going to be meaningful but i mean meaningful to me because everybody's going to have their own perspective or their own. You know thoughts on the work. So i have for me if i have a message. If i feel strongly about it than here you go. Here's my work. Tell me about how you guys work. Technically personally i tend to favor going out there with just one camera lens in like thirty five or twenty four or something like that and and just more battery isn. Because i'd like i'd like keeping it simple. I don't want to think about having to switzerland's or anything like that but what what what work what have you found. That works for you guys. In terms of the technical side mine is the same. I'm not not really a technical person. I have One camera. I take it an extra battery. Let's go half have fun. I take that camera everywhere. My father let me borrow his camera recently. Which is way more upgraded than they one. I have been used in avenues. That but i'm not not big on on the technical. Yeah i have been using the same camera and same lens for eight years. And i'm probably the one thing about the pandemic because i'm probably going to finally get a new camera but it just becomes so familiar with a camera and to know it so well into another so well. I just can't imagine not not doing that. It's been like it's become a part of my hand and a part of my brain in a way. I'm always amazed. People are always changing cameras and changing lenses an upgrading and changing. That's great for them. But it's just not it's not my style at all. I don't want to think about my camera. i forget a new one. Spend most of my time trying to figure that damn thing out. Yeah either one model up all of a sudden i remember i had been using an x one hundred s and i think i got the f. and like i was in paris and for the first three days i was missing shots because the difference in terms of the delay between pressing the shutter and actually taking the picture. There was a difference. I was just cursing two or three days. Because i had just gotten into this rhythm with the older camera that i even think about because i just knew when to press the button and went to expect to take the picture and a cycle you know. So that's why. I kinda like i live with a game. Once it works for me. I live for the longtime. You guys prefer to work alone or stuff. I'm part of you know two different collectives. I mean when women street photographers. Don't go on walks. The other the don several walks and i hate it because it's like first of all. Were all like racing. You know to find this moment door or what's happening in is just it's not. It's not what i lake which is intimates in quiet and -peutic And just as beautiful moment for myself. Where i'm finding myself and i'm looking for the things that that i love him. That interest me in offers is having five people around. You are thought forbid you tell me. Take a picture of that. But if i if i go out with a group of people. It's like okay. I don't have any expectation that i'm gonna make anything of any significance. I'm there socialized at that point. If i haven't make a picture it's okay but there's only. I think there's probably two photographers that i will go out with. Because we both understand each other will will will will meet and then we'll sort of wonder often dwarf things during the time out there will cross pass check in again and then was kinda go on our own thing but being side by side the entire time on hell no that just like you said it just takes you out of it completely like you see i want. I want to be in the moment. And if the person next to me i'm gonna be inclined to start talking not looking. Yeah my boyfriend's a photographer to and history. It doesn't really kind of like strip free without people so we can go out together and we're not jostling for the same thing so because he takes pictures of like trees and trash cans Birds and but with the street. Five eric cogan He's really good. So we definitely go out and what kind of diverge hell get stuck on something. I wander away or he wanders away so it's kind of this in and out together but not together and that works but going out with a group just awful. It's just i mean. I do think it's interesting to see how other people shoot. I do think that's interesting. And i have learned from seeing some people have they. Should i think that's interesting but terms of getting photos now social. Yes get photos now. One of the things. I love about what go now is doing is with the exhibitions visit. You know you can look at a photograph on screen on your own. A tablet and it looks. But there's just something about seeing on a piece of paper. And when i get a finally getting the get around to finally printing some of my photographs. I can't help but just stare at that thing because there's something about looking at one of my own photographs on that on that paper with a nice white border around it that makes me feel. It makes me feel complete. But also i'm just looking at it so i'm experiencing it in a completely different way and i love to hear about your experiences in terms of you know when you saw your work on that exhibit and you saw on the wall and you saw that image on a piece of paper. What was your experience of your own photographing being up there. Well for me. I couldn't stop smiling. I got emotional. Because i guess that i'm so sensitive so tears i was on the first floor right in the middle of the of the room and i was. I was just in all like wow like. That's that's my work up there. And i felt i felt very proud very proud moment for me. Yeah i just felt so honored to be in the company of so much. Great work and i thought that the way that she sequences the whole show is so smart and it looks so good and i felt felt like i mean he s great to be able to look at your photo and kind of your kind of be able to like. Enter it in a way that you can't when you're looking at onscreen but it was also just this the impact of being amongst all this great work. That was so cohesive because of the way she carried the show. You guys are both in new york. Which i love being and i hear so much advice about you. Know if you're going go to new york in terms of street photography and i'd love to get a suggestion from each of you. That has nothing to do with where to go or wind ago. But it's more about you know if you're gonna shoot on the streets of newark. Keep this in mind either about something to be sensitive about. It could be anything but something is is directly related to your own experience on the street making photographs. That's a good question. I would say like the lights really important and so kind of positioning yourself in a part of town where light is important to you so kind of just make sure you start in a place where the light is going to be happening because the light is so special in new york as you now on. It's just bouncing all over the place in coming in through straight so definitely pay attention to like placing yourself where there's gonna be light that suits your needs and then also just walk. Just walk and walk and walk and like if you can just prepare to walk. It's amazing just to be able to walk like ten miles to the city. Find so many different things. And that's that's all i got there. I mean i think i would advise you to explore places that you've never been to When you visit. I think that would be not your normal forty second street thirty four. Th you know where everybody likes to to go and photograph. I would advise that you come to the bronx the bronx. That's a wonderful advice. Because that's one of the things that i i'm hoping to do next time i'm there is really kinda forgo manhattan and the bronx brooklyn queens. Staten island though. You know. I have no idea what's there but it's certainly different from what i'm used to. I got family in the heights in that place is just. It's not what it used to be so it's just kind of like all the things that attracted me that for graphically this is just turning into another suburban. Fortunately but i'm not. I'm not going to get on on that soapbox right now but that's really good advice in. I used to just get on a subway and just kind of randomly take it and get off and not really know where i was just explore which so. I think that's repair good advice. What's a good safety tip because a lot of people always concerned with safety in terms of being a street photography especially new york. What would be a good digestion. Respectful in know if you you're aiming to to capture the one end you see that the energy is not there and the person doesn't want their photo taken or something along those lines. Just be respectful in. Don't make keep him keep moving or somebody says. Did you take my picture Did not eat moving. Yeah i think that respect is is super important. The only people. I know who've had confrontations in problems. They've just been more aggressive in their style and like i know people who've been beaten up but it's like they're really aggressive in the face and someone says like don't take my picture like i can take picture by wants to kind of thing so just don't do that. Don't be a jerk. Write my advice is don't just don't be sneaky sneaky. You look like you're doing something wrong. Yeah i mean i'm sneaky. Because i don't like to break the moment. But then i also would like not at the person. They seem a smile. Sometimes i'll ask they wanna see the photo. It's like they're sneaky but then soon as yet seen than it's like a different story. Oh yeah so. My last question. That i ask each guest's is i. Ask them to recommend another photographer for listeners. To discover and explore and it can be anyone someone you've long admired or someone recently discovered. Who are the photographer. Be and why. Well i've already Given a shout out to my partner erik cogan. And i recommend looking at him because he has such a unique i. He's so talented and so creative. And there's so much joy in his photos and they're very surprising so kokin you can find him on instagram. I'll have many. But i am going to go with donald scruggs amazing fashion The tog for very different. Obviously than what i do. But i love her to nasty. I love her. Just drive and honesty. Losses share information and i liked that She's not a gatekeeper. Why feel like when people get to certain places you all. They don't want to share the information. They don't want to tell you how they were able to do this. That the other she has literally said donald said. Hey you know not to be like on instagram for the world like you can find someone's email and send your work reach out like she to the t. Will just give advice give information that is vital to photographers and artists. Who are trying to make it. So i just i love how giving she is and she's just extremely talented. Thank you for the recommendation. Thank you so much for your time. I really enjoyed talking with here. Yeah thank you so nice. It wasn't as bad thanks to melissa. And emily join us. You can find out more about them in their work by visiting melissa bryant dot com and emily on instagram at emily su j. If you're devoted listener and subscribe to the show right is a review on whatever service you listen to podcasts. Those reviews allow us to grow. 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Max Headroom Broadcast Intrusion

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Max Headroom Broadcast Intrusion

"On january eighteenth. Two thousand eight. The church of scientology's web servers mysteriously shutdown. Anyone trying to reach the organization's main site was met with an error. Page people inside. The church scratched their heads. But a few observers knew exactly what was happening this was a coordinated and a legal de dos attack that acronym stands for distributed. Denial of service and action like this could only be performed by a large network of computers working in concert meaning. Someone had ambushed churches web server and overwhelm the system intentionally. In other words scientology had been rated by internet pirates. But those responsible weren't nearly as flamboyant as a group of high-seas freebooters they were the opposite. The coordinators of this attack were a gang of hackers. Who'd met internet rooms. A harbinger of the attack had previously surfaced on youtube. The video appeared to be a press release from a group known only as anonymous the clip featured the group's shadowy representative who claimed that scientology was stifling free speech anonymous would retaliate by banning. The church from the internet forever. The group didn't succeed in taking scientology offline permanently but they did prove that the wealthiest organizations couldn't protect themselves against did saboteurs. While this seems like a stunt. That could only happen in the internet age. History tells us that's far from the case anonymous was inspired by pranks and intrusions. That took place well before the web existed. Sometimes the perpetrators had message but other times their goal was to cause complete and utter chaos. Welcome to unexplained mysteries a spotify original from podcast. I'm your host molly. And i'm your host richard in life. There's so much we don't know but in this show we don't take we don't know for answer every tuesday and thursday. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life on earth. You can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify or wherever. You listen to podcasts. Today we're doing a one part episode on max headroom and the phenomenon of broadcast intrusions. These rare into legal pranks involved a hijacking of radio or satellite signals with mischievous intent. The most famous of these intrusions occurred in chicago in nineteen eighty seven. A profane prankster dressed as the character. Max headroom commandeered local airwaves. Not once but twice in a single night setting the stage for today's trolling culture. We have all that and more coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by fan duel sportsbook. Don't just watch college basketball. Get in the action and shoot your shot with the fan. Duel sportsbook app. There's more ways to play the bracket all tournament. Long new users. Get your i bet. 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This episode is brought to you by better better mortgage makes getting a mortgage simple get pre-approved in as little as three minutes and close at ten days faster on average all online see today's rates at better dot com better mortgage corporation. Mls number three zero five one one. Three world trade center when seven. Five greenwich fifty nine four new york new york one zero zero zero seven. Equal housing lender not available in all states Nowadays the internet is home base for alien believers between reddit and youtube. You can find almost anyone or anything to support the idea of extraterrestrial life but back in nineteen seventy seven long before anyone could type. Ufo's into a search bar an alien race seemingly found us. It was five pm on november. Twenty six nine thousand nine hundred seventy seven a cold. Saturday found many families in southern england. Sitting at home some perched in front of the tv watching the news a local anchor. Andrew gardner described recent clashes between military and guerrilla soldiers in rhodesia. But as gardner continue talking. The television signal grew distorted. Then the sound dropped out. Those at home probably adjusted their antennae or gave their tv a good smack upside the base which seemed to work because the picture came back. But the audio didn't as a muted gardner continued. His report oblivious. Someone or something spoke over him. The voice was echoing and strange. It introduced itself as on and claim to be a representative of something called the ash tar galactic command drill on said that his group presumably composed of extraterrestrials had been watching humanity for years now he had a message for the people of earth he said that if humanity continued on a warlike path it would lead to disaster for the fledgling race so real on proposed a different fate instead he encouraged people to get rid of their quote. Weapons of and many felt that this was in reference to nuclear arms. Brillant went on to say that his race cared deeply about human beings. He encouraged viewers to live in natural harmony with earth suggesting that it was the only way toward a brighter future. Then the transmission ended the next day. England's newspapers weighed in on the event. They implied that the transmission created mass panic much like wells broadcast of war of the worlds in nineteen thirty eight but they were wrong. People were far more sensible. Most suspected that this was some sort of prank although it would have been fairly elaborate to pull off breaking into a tv network and hijacking a broadcast. Midstream was no easy feat in nineteen seventy seven. The independent broadcasting authority in english regulatory group agreed they launched an investigation into the hack but found no suspects but there were other telltale clues in the content of rolon speech clues that lead some to think that this was the work of an organization rather than a single person many suspected the campaign for nuclear disarmament. Or the cnd was behind the hoax. After all they had a similar message to rely on one of disarmament and peace. The cnn was founded by civilians in the nineteen fifties as a way to protest the rise of nuclear armament in the nineteen sixties. The organization's popularity waned when the vietnam war took over the headlines. But by the late seventies the anti-nuclear message had returned. So it's possible that whoever was behind the villain message use this as an opportunity to draw attention to their cause but to this day. No one has ever taken credit for the hoax. So the connection between brisson and the cnd is tenuous at best although the event did inspire other more mischievous intrusions ones that managed to defy new technologies when it aired in the seventies relaunched message was accessible to anyone tuned in with a television and a receiver but by the eighties. The method for broadcast distribution was starting to change. The tv industry now offered premium programming through something called cables giving rise to networks like hbo just after midnight on sunday april twenty seventh nineteen eighty six. Hbo played a movie called the falcon and the snowman throughout the united states. At approximately twelve thirty two am the picture just disappeared instead. A rainbow of bars faded in containing a short and cryptic message. It read quote good evening. Hbo from captain midnight. Twelve dollars and ninety five cents a month no way showtime slash movie channel. Beware this text stayed onscreen for approximately four minutes. Then the feed was cut in the falcon and the snowman resumed. But what did it all mean will in the years before this attack enthusiasts who owned a satellite dish were able to access premium cable channels like. Hbo for free. But when hbo wised up to this they scrambled their signals. So that hobbyists with dishes couldn't steal the feed with their own equipment. This baffled a lot of people with satellite dishes. They felt that since they paid for their own gear. They were entitled to free broadcasts and they were angry. Angry enough for someone masquerading as captain midnight to interrupt. Hbo's entire transmission with his protest. The event made news across the country. Many wondered how the captain had been able to hack into. Hbo's feed interrupt their programming. It certainly wasn't an easy thing to accomplish and it made the television powers that be furious. Hbo was out for blood. They worry that captain midnight might inspire numerous imitators and drive paying customers away. The networks needed to find captain midnight and prosecute him immediately. They urged the federal communications commission or fcc to investigate this signal hijacking. They even enlisted the fbi for hill. The federal inquiry ran for three months but captain midnight couldn't stand the pressure for long. He knew he couldn't afford a costly trial. It would be better for him to step forward and lift his metaphorical mask. Captain midnight revealed himself to be a twenty five year old average joe from florida. His name was john mcdougall and he was ready to plead guilty coming up. Captain midnight sets the stage for the most notorious intrusion to date high listeners. It's vanessa from podcast. If you haven't had a chance to check out my series mythology you don't know what you're missing heroes. Gods monsters and mayhem this podcast. Has it all every tuesday. 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In the mid twentieth century technology gave rise to a new phenomenon called broadcast hacking this technique allowed pirates like captain midnight to reach people with unauthorized messages. But it threatened the finances of large corporations like. Hbo were ready to fight back. When john macdougall revealed himself as the man behind captain midnight it actually elevated his anti authoritarian message which was exactly with the powers that be didn't want so they up their use of inflammatory rhetoric in the aftermath of the intrusion and executive named stephen sheltie accused captain midnight or rather john macdougall of quote video terrorism at the time solti was the vice president of showtime a premium channel. That was both a competitor and an imitator of hbo. Any threat against h. b. o. was also a threat against their own bottom line and it didn't help the captain. Midnight had one showtime specifically in his illegal message. The cable channels may have seen mcdougal's messages a threat but not everyone felt that way. Some people viewed him as a folk hero. Those who used personal satellite dishes to pirate content had been incensed when channels like hbo began scrambling their feeds making it. Impossible for them to tune into special programs for a lot of people mcdougal was there. Paul revere and his broadcast hat was there. Midnight ride in reality. Mcdougal had kids behind the protest. He owned a satellite dish company in florida when hbo cutoff free access. It hurt mcdougal's business. Big time still. The fcc didn't care that mcdougal's livelihood had been disrupted in there is. He was a criminal one who needed to be made. An example of for his sentence captain midnight was fined. Five thousand dollars in given a year's probation corporations were surprised by mcdougal's relatively minimal penalty to them. This was barely a slap on the wrist. Perhaps that's why months later the. Us congress passed a new law. It was called the electronic communications privacy act of nineteen eighty six and it specifically targeted. The crime that mcdougal had committed going forward anyone who hijacked a privately owned network satellite would be charged with a felony instead of a misdemeanor but the law did little to deter people like captain midnight because a year later. The airwaves fell victim to an even more notorious prank. It was a cold november night in chicago. Sports commentator dan roan was reporting live on channel. Nine rhone was describing the chicago bears. Thirty two ten victory over the detroit. Lions that day but just as he was covering the football games with highlights the signal began to flicker then the screen went black anew. Figure faded in unlike the disembodied voices or cryptic messages in the past. This intruder was in the flesh and he was silent. The person was hunched over wearing the rubber mask of a blonde man with sunglasses. He was dressed in a cheap browns suit behind him. A crew piece of corrugated metal spun in a hypnotic twirl. The whole thing was strange to say the least. At the time who was well versed in obscure british television would have recognized the mask. It was that of a fictional character. Named max headroom. A computer generated a i and star of the max headroom show. Whoever was behind that mask demonstrated two things one. They were a fan of british oddball. Human and two. They knew how to do some difficult and illegal signal hijacking to give you some perspective channel. Nine's feed was broadcast from the john. Hancock center a hundred story tall skyscraper in order to override that signal. Someone would need to have a powerful enough transmitter aimed at this tower. So as max. Headroom bounced around on screen in silence technicians. Wgn studio scrambled to put a stop to the hack at last one of the channels engineers realized the only way to end. The intrusion was to change the frequency. The station was broadcasting on. Suddenly max headroom disappeared from the screen and dan. Ronan return the sports anchor. Who clearly been told about the intrusion laugh nervously then. He told viewers that he was just as confused about the interruption. Is they were. The whole affair lasted under a minute and it would've been a small item in the next day's paper if that was all that happened in chicago that night but it wasn't a few hours later max headroom struck again. This time. the victim was chicago's channel. Eleven a wholesome. Pbs affiliate that evening. The network was broadcasting an episode of doctor who a popular science fiction series as late night fans of the show tuned in the image of their beloved characters dissolved. And max headroom took their place this time. Things were a bit different now. The hacker had audio bewildered viewers watched as the masked figure uttered nonsensical and unsettling phrases. You vaguely mentioned the chicago. Sportscaster named chuck's whiskey a nineteen sixties cartoon named clutch cargo and coca-cola. Perhaps because the real max headroom was the soda spokesperson at the time. And if that wasn't strangely enough the hacker waved around a sex toy soon. The camera cut and a new scene began indicating that the hacker had prerecorded this bizarre presentation in this new angle. The figure in the mask bent over exposing his naked buttocks. Then a second person entered the frame it appeared to be a woman address although she was partially off screen regardless she proceeded to. Spank max headroom. Bear dairy air with a flyswatter. Meanwhile max continue to yell. Some pretty ludicrous things. Then his voice turned into a scream and the transmission cutout. The doctor who broadcast returned to chicago airwaves with the show's titular character musing about electricity. The whole thing was oddly. Synchronous stick but the network. Didn't feel that way chino. Eleven's phones rang off the hook with confused viewers. The next day reports about the intrusion appeared in local papers journalists speculated that max headroom would be caught and prosecuted to the full extent of the law however many citizens felt that the whole thing was a harmless prank but the local and federal governments disagreed as did the television networks. They were anxious about what innocent viewers might see if other more profane pranksters hack their feeds as a result the fcc and the fbi publicly vowed to track down the perpetrator and bring them to justice spokesman for the fcc reiterated the consequences for a crime like this a maximum monetary penalty of one hundred thousand dollars one year in jail. Or both max. Headroom was in big trouble. If only they could find him. The fcc's lead investigator at the time was a man named dr michael. Marcus and his first step was to understand how a tv network broadcasts its signal across city and how someone could have disrupted back in nineteen eighty seven. This process was relatively simple. I a- channel. Had to be made signaled a transmitters stationed atop any centrally located towers. Be they radio. Antennae or skyscrapers then accustomed customer tune their tv to that channel. Picking up the broadcast directly from said transmitter like magic. The image would appear on screen in their living room while la entertainment but if a signal pirate wanted to get in the middle of that it wasn't too hard according to marcus. Headroom didn't need expensive or large equipment to broadcast his own. Feed only took in a flat city like chicago was the roof of a mid sized building. Marcus surmised that the hacker went to this hypothetical roof and his equipment tv receivers which would have been stationed on towers in downtown chicago after that he transmitted his signal with enough power to temporarily overwhelm channel nine or eleven signal. Metaphorically it was like max. Headroom had the brighter flashlight. Marcus believed this was a relatively simple crime. Especially for someone with the right gear and technical know-how knowing that he wondered where did max headroom broadcasts originate using triangulation and good old fashioned math. Marcus figured out. The signals most likely came from the northern part of chicago. Of course that was a huge area and it was impossible to narrow down the suspects with that one clue so marcus turned his attention to another detail. The spinning metal backdrop. That max headroom used. It seemed to resemble a warehouse door. This lead marcus to believe video might have been filmed in a semi industrial depository now only had to do was search through warehouses in northern chicago. And see if perhaps someone in the broadcast community had taken a lease on one. But by the time. Marcus landed on this lead. The fcc's appetite for the investigation had cooled after all. This was a victimless crime. And the agency had already exhausted enough money and resources trying to find the perpetrator. It was time to put it to bed as a result. Marcus never found his man. Max headroom had gotten away with a felony but the public was just getting started on their own investigation coming up we scour the internet for the true identity of max headroom. This episode is brought to you by ever eve ever even knows how energizing it can be to change your look or just refresh it a little because when you're style matches your spirit. It can shift your outlook and light up your day. 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And when you donate plasma at bio life you can earn up to one thousand dollars in your first month as a token of appreciation for your time so please become a donor up via life visit vile life plasma dot com to schedule an appointment now back to the story in nineteen eighty seven a broadcast pirate in a max headroom mask perpetrated the most notorious signal intrusion to date but the authorities lacked enough evidence in willpower to ferret out a suspect that hasn't stopped amateurs from trying to solve the case on their own. A report on a website called unresolved named one candidate that was of particular interest in artist. Musician named eric bernier -fornia was born in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven nineteen years before the max headroom intrusion. He was raised near bloomington. Indiana just a few hours south of chicago illinois. In his youth. Eric was regarded as bright and creative with an aunt sense of humor in the mid eighties. He played in a few punk rock groups who performed in chicago regularly around the time of the intrusion. One of the band's called the blood. Farmers apparently borrowed some broadcast equipment from a local tv network. Supposedly they wanted to make a music video. The band meets told other friends that after they were done. They planned to release the recording illegally over the airwaves. Not the band dot cold feet. They realized that hijacking signal to broadcast their amateur music video would immediately expose them as the perpetrators after all. They'd be starring in it so according to rumour they formulated a plan b. They felt they should do something with the equipment they borrowed. This new project would be purposefully. Unsettling for eric four near it was a dream creation. A brainchild that led to the max headroom broadcast for near never claimed authorship but over the years rumors that it was him grew exponentially largely because of the art he made later in life in the mid nineteen ninety s four near left the punk rock scene to create surrealist art videos in these works he played a character named shay saint john a fashion model that had been disfigured in a car crash as the years went by. -fornia may dozens of short chaotic clips as saint john then in the early two thousands. He started uploading them to live journal a social networking site that has a digital diary from their his macabre video. Art conjured a cult following in his role as the maimed model for near twitched around the scenes. Talking in a disturbing high pitched voice in most of the pieces. The plot was thin to nonexistent. Instead the focus of the videos was the oven guard style of editing and forty years bizarre acting as the videos gain traction on the web many noted their similarities to the max headroom broadcasts both creations featured surrealist humor and a hyperactive character with a disturbing voice. Once people realized that fortier was in chicago at the time of the signal intrusions well internet sleuths were certain they'd found their man but those who knew him say otherwise four near died in two thousand ten of causes related to alcoholism so he can't respond to these rumors himself however someone did manage to track down a man named harry bergen a former member of the blood farmers bergen address. The max headroom rumors head. On in fact he used an expletive to describe the idea that fortier had anything to do with it in short. Bergen thought it was nonsense. He claimed that in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven four year wouldn't have had the technical know how to execute a broadcast intrusion plus according to bergen. They didn't actually have any av equipment. That was just a rumor. -fornia would have amused by the idea of being the anonymous hacker fortier wasn't the internet's only suspect in two thousand ten. A reddit. user named be pogue unmasked their own series in to chicago brothers. They claim to have met these brothers in the windy city in nineteen eighty seven. It was at a late night gathering in a small apartment. The reddit user was in their early teens and they were excited to hang out with a group of older kids from the chicago. Computer hacking seen these are the sort of people who felt at home with each other oddball nerds interested in things like monty python and the lord of the rings but there were two figures in particular that the ready user developed a fascination with brothers who's given pseudonyms r j and k j. in particular seemed peculiar he's described as having a strange sense of humor and boundless energy and that night mutual friends were overheard talking about j. They said he was planning to do something. Big our reddit user was able to determine what exactly the big thing was they could only gather that it was elicit but later that evening some of the friends grabbed a late night dinner at pizza hut as they sat chatting it was offhandedly suggested that they should all watch channel eleven later that night. The reddit user claims. They forgot about these instructions moments after they were given instead they went home no longer thinking about the two brothers j and k or the big things they had planned but they did flip on the tv out of habit and they did catch the infamous. Max headroom broadcast intrusion as it happens. Live from reasons can explain. They didn't put the clues together at the time that this could have been the brothers doing this took years but once they did they realized max. Headroom was actually j and k. It had to be so this person posted their theory on reddit. And they got some interesting responses. Another reddit user wrote into corroborate. The description of jane k is nerdy. Brothers interested in pranks. However this person didn't say whether they thought the brothers were involved in the illegal broadcast. Meanwhile this theory gained attention outside of read it as a result. The max headroom intrusion was brought back into the public lexicon and as the years passed the original reddit user continued their own investigation. They even traveled to chicago to interview some av professionals what they found surprised them. It seemed that their initial theory was impossible. It couldn't have been jay and k after all they learned that in nineteen eighty seven the equipment that would have allowed an amateur to hijack. A professional fooling broadcast didn't exist in ordinary person wouldn't have access to anything powerful enough to override network broadcast and yet max headroom managed to do so meaning. The only option left was that this was an inside job. Television professionals confirmed that. Whoever max headroom was he was almost certainly a chicago broadcast professional or at least he was closely tied to one. That's the only way he could have had access to the equipment and the technical know how to pull off the hijack by. That's about as much as could be concluded. And since these posts on reddit. No other convincing suspects have been brought to light. It seems max. Headroom trail has gone cold. Answer theories of our own. Well we agree that most likely culprit was chicago broadcast professional. Some kind. perhaps they were a disgruntled employee. Maybe there were just looking to have some fun or maybe they were just a twisted fan of max headroom but the perpetrator remains as mysterious. As the day. They burst onto the airwaves in their only motive appears to be utter chaos. As is the case with most hackers. Their power depends on their anonymity as does the longevity of their message. That is if they have a message regardless of who was behind the mask the max. Headroom intrusion inspired legions of so-called trolls and hackers. Today their playground of pranks just happens to be the internet. Among these groups is anonymous the same organization who managed to disable the website of a wealthy and powerful religion in doing so anonymous reached millions all around the world. Far more than max headroom did that november evening in chicago today. All you need to deliver your message across the planet is a computer. The table set by real on captain. Midnight and max. Headroom now has legions of internet hackers pulling up a chair and their pranks show no sign of stopping. Maybe if you're lucky you'll even witnessed one for yourself. thanks again. For tuning into unexplained mysteries we will be back next time with a new episode for more information on broadcast intrusions amongst the many sources we used. We found the article on the ready user. We now interrupt his car the message from the come on be still we charge or weapons on evil must be the time for conflict is now and the race of all may see stages always use your cells. Were to do this. 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You Can Workout Again ft.@viktoriyalfit

Breakdown 2 Lowdown

2:04:04 hr | 2 weeks ago

You Can Workout Again ft.@viktoriyalfit

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It's when which you're not on that white with well. Welcome to the latest episode of breakdown slowed and as you heard in the beginning we are going to have a guest. Victoria fitness guru is in the building. She's don't tell y'all should give you some tips about how to stay fit and you know we're just have a real conversation about you know the training industry and you know how what to expect right now how to pivot in this pandemic with with that kind of account and it was a good conversation. I'll i like her. she's So you guys are gonna hear that today. We're gonna try and go a little quicker. I know there's a few weeks where i said. It doesn't go quick but district for real because my allergies aunt clarence allergies are acting up. You might see me if you're watching the video Scratch my nose a lot of white powder. That's exactly what it is and somebody's gonna take a sound bite in twenty years and say you know exposing for my previous koga habit but that's okay. That is okay. If you're not already please do. Follow us on social media. I really underscore to l ron instagram at breakdown slowdown on facebook. Just search breakdown slowdown of those with a number two. Not the where to so many big things coming up like really excited in. Today's interview is huge. We're excited to have her on. And you guys saw the our doing youtube now as well so if you haven't if you're not aware of that go check out the video a now of the podcast on our youtube where you could go to our social media and be linked to that. There is something else i was going to say. Oh so just just so you guys are aware just in case there may be some Audio changes coming to the show in the in the way that you listen or you hear. Certain songs are here to music. Were trying to figure out an appropriate way to do this. Because honestly know certain governing bodies of music are hating you know and that's that's because you know we we growing. 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Exactly exactly and i also wanna mention if you wanna us to read your comments at the beginning of the show on the warm-up breakdown to lowdown at dot com communist break down the number to load energy dot com. That's where you can hit us up and you know. Send us your comments questions or personal experiences this week. I'm just gonna read one here. From arianna she's sums up everything that I was thinking ariana says. Hey guys new listener here. I saw the new video on youtube so exciting to see your raises Clearance makes are hilarious. I hope that you guys can send you guys continue. I'm excited to see what else is next. I'm not from montreal. But when you guys discuss the shop protests. I went in i. Google what happened. I think that it's ridiculous. Whenever people decide to riot in the name of a good cause and destroy businesses. It's unnecessary and really does no good. Ariana it doesn't do any actually does more harm than good. And i and i you know i could say what i say. 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It's like she's I i don't know who she's talking to but it feels like she's talking to somebody specific and i feel like when a song is that intimate it's easy for the audience to connect to somebody in their own life. You know what i mean. It almost doesn't feel like it has to be romantic. We've all been in a situation in a situation where you have somebody that just makes it difficult to love them or to to really be there for them because you wanna be there but the person kind of like a self destructive or day. They won't allow you. Like for example. Like i i I have a family member who has dealt with this with her son. You know he's You know deal with substance abuse and stuff like this and i could see the toll. It's taken on her. And i thought that when i listened to the salt lake hired for for me to love you a it's it's real subject matter beautiful track. I just see bigger and better things with this girl. Nominal annette next action. That is actually the first try from the project which is a good opener for me. Buddha intro. i don't know if it's official until but you know what i mean but it's a it's a dope I like the fact that you could feel the emotions lose track especially with the instrument instrumental which is perfect choice. I feel like the piano often very soft. And it's a perfect setup said of us soft delivery and domestic deliver end of you cities on Will try and go get the ep. To whole project is five. You know and if you if you wanna know about her before you know about her now i think maybe we. We've had a song by her once before but she she's definitely she definitely gives consistently good stuff like i want you know i was. I was gonna compare it but she doesn't need to be compared to somebody she she. She has her own voice in her own. Right and i don't mean to compare I don't even have no corporations in mind beyond of world i had one but people might disagree with me. I'm just keep to myself. I'll tell you you will. I'll tell you let's go to your Second pick my second pig. It's actually on that. You put me on earlier. Yes bombsite as we said we a mass. At least eight isn't it. That's not what it isn't sorry. Got s w Ability to track is fine so w endo might sound newer for minute looking or minute since video but hey what does it stand for when we come back. We'll talk about it in cash genius. She got the gold saw. Ty you came in around place you know like you know you wanna stay tied busy. Fake alford with you know should be living off three shots bay and so i did my homework off. Slow tell the people mean up with me on in known as my old is fuck me you know got it actually was michigan but now man For with me. I like it. It came out in february. Solve a couple months of today pushing his all these collectibles that we said the episode but Now actually that is though like i said before We listened to the track. Nikki put me on dome status. he'd been somewhat been following since then but Their strike. I feel like manage. A nice little bows will be honest. Feel light on the delivery in just a motor try. It was really confident. Just from the core is on its tax in cat at the bag on mean big dharma balls of energy does the energy that i got lie. Got the club. Open up the over me. I feel all we need to be as the energy that we need to be. Yeah especially coming into the summer. I'm bringing you know big money. Energy non i mean fuck with me energy but foot we see we seen cricket dealmaking everything all broke the. Let's but now now it's a it's a it's i though it's a drug out like i said like it's the big energy venues like yourself type of energetic that low i see myself like if the club's opening again i i would be driving to the club with with atra. That's yeah that's definitely a good drive or you know high getting ready type stuff. A has a very cool while love about tone staff is would this track. Are i think. I had picked devotion on such a stark contrast your version and this is why i appreciate this a single because he's showing you in a way i could be loving. I could give you real vocals. You know undevoted. Nba loving and sweet. And all of that. I can do that. But i can also tell you know how me like you know what i mean like. We can get to this money you know. And he ended. He shows like that he's also able to deliver the Track what's it's still musically. Sounds good. It sounds like fresh creative. Doesn't sound overdone. it doesn't sound last Argue to let fail still on great and it's also like him it just it seemed like you know you don't get your god i can do. Both you know what she wear sneakers but she also keno have address. That that's what i saw was tone site gets you a single deck can do. I like i really really liked fuck with me. Because it's so like you said it's braggadocious. It's like that shit. You know. Sue and smooth vocal about it flex came out good on this site. Yes for my second. Pick i'm going to my boy gallant. The neptune ep. If you haven't checked out his latest eight track. Ep which i think. That's what is an ep. Y'all artists dropping. These three four track. Ep how can i say to slightly suck my dick because not from before early on with this story driving ep. That was an ep. I it were three four three four five tracks for me when you go into a nine track for me. That's when it starts to be either a makes the or novel but so the the definition Making music ner other music nurse. Correct me an epa tracks or less. And for me. Because i've always been like. I like the more the merrier. You know what i mean size. Like if you're gonna go with the maximum. Give me seven eight tracks. You'll have to give me nine seven eight tracks. I liked that as an ep album for me has to be more than twelve so twelve or more is an album. I don't know man. I don't like by all but when they beat too long to be on before like i remember back in the day the love album like seven dean sixteen eighteen drag but like say seventy the ideal number of tracks remiss. Twelve thirteen a bonus track. Maybe fourteen if it's a bonus track. But i don't need once you start getting near twenty. I don't want it but some artists are doing because of the streaming thing into more tracks on the album. The more money you're gonna make honestly is why people are having these longer albums but from the classic album led the one that comes into mind that matic only have contracts say nah but like what i mean by. That is like if you listen to ill. Matic is not army but like the best example of amoeba ill matic. It's fluent it's perfect not Does not one failure or whatever when it sometime what. I feel with artists when loonies. Fourteen fifteen tracks album. There's a there's always like two or three fillers be dropping like Biloxi down the luxury digital edition so is more anyways. So yeah you're pig. Sorry you were talking with some thomas thinking about some completely different. But let's get into the pick up in charlotte off his two ep. It's titled dynamite beaches brandy and we'll be right back so you're black. Don who'd invent wouldn't that be wouldn't then then leave us scraping a exactly where we tune in reggio grade. Now conscious state don. Rhr that was done gallant. And brandy off of the neptune ep. Honestly i remember one or two weeks when i chose a gallon track. I only chose that track. I think it was come back. I had chosen or something. And i only had chosen it because i couldn't choose dynamite because it had a dropped yet but i had heard a. I i heard it before. Because i had a low in with with somebody at An arm be blocked had headed and it was like Audio record house. I wanted to be a pig when it doesn't drop until the the episode drops so i couldn't Drop it yet. But i want to choose my i will say this i mean gallant are gonna fight at one point because sir why are you. Why can't you write directly. Because i understand you know. I'm all for metaphors and being fancy. Because you know i know gallant. Likes his pen and everything. But what the fuck is a song about. I don't know. I don't know and i read the lyrics. I tried to figure out. We lost our mind blow up like dynamite. The all-talk seems like he's talking about some kind of volatile. And all i know is they sound wonderful. It sounds like they're some kind of water. It sounds like it's very peaceful not not not piece was not not peaceful but like what is the word i'm looking for. It's like it's trying to appease it's such long peaceful it sounds appeasing. Is the things that it just acute toxic relationship music isos. So it's okay. The lyrics is different different. Did i don't know the delivery and the whole set of the setup of the track with vocals and the extra made it seems abusing. You said but. I don't really. This is one of where 'cause i'm you know. I am things if not a vocals person in the lyrics person but this is one of the signs where i don't care what they're saying. It sounds wonderful. Like the i like the sound of their voice together the harmonies the harmonies near the end Listen to the full song to human day started going off and these runs at brand new doing these interests you just showing off here and and gallant is coming in with a very strong tone Being able to hold his own next brandy. it was. i'm sorry my nose is is getting on my nerves. Like i take allergy medicine asep. I started this. I'm not to kill clarence today. But this song musically phonic li like in your ears sonically. Excuse me it's sounds incredible if you need. If you haven't listened to on headphones or on a on speaker this is that's how you need to listen to the shadow strikes. You could just put it in the car. Listen to it. Whatever you need headphones you need to listen to it for row. Because it has a lot of layers presents it does feel peaceful like saying it feels something fulfilling about it. I'm not sure what to say. How how to word it. That's what actually knew you. Sunday brady love on but not be on his lot. You go these bad Featuring luggage is clutch them together. Operandi further my own is going to be good with gallant. By because we've been now. You have multiple allie pick in the gala is like one of my new phase. Like is a lot of people. Ask me like you know they think outside of the show. People can only listen to own music which is not true but i do a lot of old music like clarence. I'm telling you this weekend. It was bad. Like i only listened to old stuff and when i'm talking i'm talking old. Stop so i'm trying to be more into the world but when it comes to what these new guys gallant is one of my fave newer newer guys like. I love them so that you will you have a preference old stuff. But you still isn't will move on the new music ryan latino for means like a mix of line neum win old generation in it came out good somebody that i already but it kind of came all the way that i expected. And whoever makes it like i. I don't know who. Who was the engineer on. This track was mixed. Fucking perfection. mole. That epa is good. Like i have to honestly guys. I have to shot good work when i hear because we talked about it. A you'll hear is talk about a little bit about it in our interview with some content becoming oversaturated. Sometimes here new products are out. I don't think it will listen to them. Because i just tired. You know what i mean about using but that project has been going back to when i have to highlight things like that because it's getting harder and harder to get consistent work where people go back to it. Thanks for you to try to for two weeks. I want to get into our oldies but we talked to victoria will will will be right back. How are you. what is your bank. Let us know i'm good. Thank you might pick this. Week is no guidance by chris. Brown and drake. Hey trips that you plan for next soling. Sexwale do god credit. You just took it up talking while you come in and seventeen be staying is in of a top and ship it only because you know you often god god god care a damn things. So that was no guidance by drake and chris brown. I picked the song because personally. I am a big hip hop fan so i had trouble actually finding an rb song and drake when drake is definitely my favorite artists. Actually not one of but my favorite so drizzy drake. He has some now. You got beef for clarence. Because that's you know clarity. He's a drake hater. I'm not. I'm not a great eight. Actually i respect. Is his music. Feel like he doesn't have his own laney just capitalize. What's at the moment. But he's a finesse Right who the iran i mean. Let's say some good tries. I'm not gonna let me like i bet you be jamming. I bet you. Don oh no not at all not at all the people. You'll be surprised because people that nobody la forward fake pulitzer surprise that saw. Not when you're going to be like Like drake he's bits. I like well veto. Your nose surgery. I liked electric light. Lord knows i like. I don't like to seeing party why he's rap songs. Rapid writers alike one one rap. But hey amal okay. Well i'll say drake whether you a fan of the music or not you gotta respect the man he as what what would you say. He's a financier. He owns a fitness. Using what's it like. The guy keeps winning. I don't even know what say we had a conversation. We'd like a a couple months ago. We were talking about is dragged done or like is a slowing down or whatever and then he came back with the epa and three tracks. Where on the one to three on bubble one hundred was like well. Because it's drake whenever you girls but you listen to lemon pepper freestyle. Yes the again. He excuse me. But i i would say that when i've i've put it on okay you know what. Let's talk about no guidance. Because i'm to the scary hours three thing in like you know go off but it was just. It's just supposed to wet our beaks. I if like one of those What's the forum in toronto. Type track like it's not a song you just put on the listen to. It's like you know we have certain certain vibe. Excuse me through. No nothing no guidance. No for lemon pepper freestyle. yeah so i mean sorry. What was i saying so no guidance. Why did you pick that shock. You signed for hip hop right. I think it's a really. I think it's it's a really good blend of hip hop and rb for for them. I think it was one day. I remember when it dropped. I thought this is a great single selection. That was because i think that was the biggest collaborate done to that magnitude at a to date I think they had some friction before. Drake was overreact. Or or something. So i think that it was. It was a great track. Great single great video creative And they none of them like both of them. Don't overshadow each other on the song like you know they both deliver something unique to the track. Which makes it like one of those like bangers. Like i could see chris playing in verses and you know he could get a point with that phil what appreciate the mode. Because i'm gonna hit on dude single or whatever it's actually a boat trip What i appreciate most about how the single like it was a moment. Because nobody expected them to be unattractive jeter just just the fact that they did a video for the song he just made it more facial so it was though they didn't feel forced. Neater go sometime. Went to artist being having beef. Or whatever ios expecting that whole lab make makers that makes it official but that one didn't force of damage so for this one it was. It was yeah so shop super ganic guy. It was a good track. It didn't feel like it was one of those shots at lake. Oh we're doing it just because like to say you ever actually. I'm actually gonna mention this moment victoria. I'm i mean. I'm not assuming but maybe i don't think you might know about this though. Is this moment at one point on the bt awards or one of the award shows that plays on bt one of them and for a long time a tame. Braxton had had beef with kisha call no. What was the other singer clarence. One that is that was unlucky. Hip hop on the ground k. Michelle k. michelle obama. Sean tamer had beef for a long time for some random reason and the worship. They had them come together and sing this song and it felt so like forest in neared an awkward is just like why is this happening. Checked out of our. I don't. I don't even know what that was like. It doesn't need to happen and they seem to like hate each other still onstage. But i will agree. I feel like a women we do. You have interesting fights little longer news like but but man. Y'all be fighting like we don't. We don't normally fit 'cause i i remember like listening to the new edition store in when talk about these fights that they were having backstage. I'm like geologist. Beating each other up going to perform sampling was up to scorer. We did after that was overdrawn. Okay outlets See this is getting off topic. But i feel like it's a little bit late because you guys are less emotionally invested than women like you. Guys don't really cares. I always say that. The new generation of more sensitive than women more emotional. When it comes the rotten are alone in. There's no like. I feel women now more cold cold hearted than men and we'll follow. This is clarence. He says the though it all can agree or disagree juice. Trust me i. Can't you know i don't know clarence i feel like humans are humans and people anybody like you have a man manda grudge as well or you could have a woman. I have a friend who is c. But then we attribute certain stereotypes. Or whatever i have a friend who quote unquote is like a guy. Because everybody's like. Oh you're like a do because she she just nothing matters you know. She does get things so quickly. It's just lay. Wow the love. everybody's like that. Independence will clearly on drinking chris. Brown got over their shit and you know they gave us a hit. So i mean i haven't heard anything of them together since then but thank you for picking abitur. I think you all right so we are. We're going to get into our oldies. Then we're gonna come back and talk to you on the lowdown alright so My oldest week of bringing you back to some heavy shit all Iranian wave magnum but man aboard. Curtis may feel who. Chemin nineteen. Seventy two sounds like drugs. it sounds like psychedelics. At lakewood twenty. Join their make. Everybody was hi. i'm talking. Oh we're not talking about the. Let's get it. We don't come back and talk about it. I thought we were at the park. Mother check i'm confused. All right cards must go to the track. Apps push shoot super cool off aright. That was curtis may feel who should man try came out in nineteen seventy two n. It's part of the soundtrack from that movie. Superfly the original one. Not the appropriate later yet. Another remake shuts these facts. I don't disagree. trust me. i would rather watch. Men received down online but that say the old one online then is alien time rather hustle to find the original one but anyways but at all ready know so that that's one of these for pointing in very much so very much movie foggy flagship and now be honest. Like i said it came out is one of the originals on trifold that super movie and it makes sense for people that didn't watch of superfly. Is that pimping movie. So that flash drug ship but now manso knockers. Mesa with the vocals know every time you always in the shot. Shaq is so such a coddle rhythmic delivery. It's like up it's not it's not very melodic but it has a very good rhythm to it and i think that it it makes. It has a certain frequency of the song that excuse me that makes you happy. It makes it makes you feel hi fi. Yeah yeah like you start immediately. So it's a move. That is if honestly i'll tell you what it looks like new york. Take this how how you want it right. Yes it could be. You know four twenty and then you know smoke into that high as a kite youthful but there's another high that it reminds me of And clarence could take an easy job here because he's been referencing this all day but i feel like it feels like an cracking a crack high right. I don't i. Don't i've never done crack but i see like when i look at the was be what i see this. You're stupid when i see this saw i could see like a crackhead like you know. I see a snowfall seen from snowfall. As see somebody like be me off. Scotty type you know no world you know. It's it's very nice They may be in street ali corner. Whatever but in her head it's cushman played. Funny issue heard you say that s for that. I just be thinking. I just be thanking. You know what i mean. And shuttle to music lesson crack is whack. That's when you houston at that cracks lovey wit. Okay my older. Let's let's get. It is very different Wholly different years i. I had to pick something one of my favorite songs in. It is a remake from boys to men because recently actually we were on a live from this other podcasts. That's really cool call abreu. it's a podcast. We just didn't climate to breath. It's podcast in came up the fact that you know boy. Cement is like my favorite group. And i was thinking like. I don't even think i've ever chosen a boys to bed. Song on rebounds load out. So i think it was my time covering that data that i love so called iris. Of course you guys will recognize it. Let's listen to come back. Yes he also. That was boyce amend irish author. That's the one that you listen to. Racism occur all right you so that was boys to men with iras a cover of the song from the google dolls wine thing that i love about boy cement from all the other groups is these men be singing. They sink fully with their hearts in whore emotions. And when i also the first time i heard the song i was maybe sixteen or fifteen and i remember i was in class. It was a yeah. I wasn't class. I have my headphones in. I shouldn't have had them in. But i was. I was hiding them pretty well from the you know i'm not that old. You had walkman or you never. You never use the cd player. But i was much younger but at that was like eight or nine time i was in high school. It was ipod phones. I had music music mpg. That you could barely put salt lake. Only like one thousand nine hundred. I had an ipod ipod touch. Skews toge anyways so housing to a shelf on pandora. Actually what the. This is not the people that sing the song green i. I had heard on radio when your parents have the radio on. Or whatever and as i is isn't boys men's version they rich. They sound sound season. Psalms buttery you know what else. Ever since i always liked their version more than the original and some people disagree with me as you know the original is a classic fine but i think the way i like wissmann voices I feel like one yet. Colors the song. And you know en- sean. And like i feel like it brings a sort of home home. Your home yeah. A a warm home feeling to it when i listened to virgin compared to the other one which actually feel Sounds more emotional. Or if i'm boy house. More comforting comforting. Like i was listening. I will listen to it to like go to bed. You know to to fall asleep. Two or yeah. The cuddle might might my my stuffed animals. I love myself that will. I'm not afraid to say. I have a specific stuffed animal that i have had since somebody gave it to me on my thirteenth birthday. Like a friend from school. He brought this. I think he likes me but it was like a huge ass fucking stuffed monkey. I still have it. I've had it for thirteen years now. And you know he's my faith. Listen you might have a chance. You still have that. Monkey are now your chance but yes. That's what i feel about. The solid gives me. It makes me feel comfortable. I like it felt good. I agree with you is one of these voice. I feel like it's infant for Is different from some joins that they have in their discography in varying acoustic boban yet. And i like the wizards of of their version. Compared to the original one feel you can feel the emotion actually the emotion the way that they deliver it. Our than everything is more clever than Hits you more in your original version but armies nita nina halfway point of the song. Listen to how. They harmonize listened to the layering of their voices. Like you know drugs is one of these songs an awful. We talked about all data. Previous neom brides podcasts. But he's just one of these joined that i don't listen to it like that fair a lot of but a lot of people around me the especially that rule up on boys to men that love is also but he's still a good treadmill is still i. I love and i think that boys to men are vocally one the best groups ever so so. Yeah oh man yeah get them against who get weisman against though like dorothy join us. You will know who can actually stand up to. The i dunno can can catch us against was to be honest money naked. Just come on and played songs. I don't mind like go-slow that happened. Yesterday will we. Don't we talk about that. Talk about it. All right guys will time that we get into what i would definitely gonna talk to. Our guests said nah. Wait no no you have to say. What is it that claim. Oh the lowdown is getting slow down. Yes y'all welcome to the lowdown second half of the show. If you're not already you need to be following us on social media. We are at real underscore to l. on twitter at break down to low down on instagram. Just breakdown slowdown on facebook of those with the number two and not a word too excited. You know. we've been talking throughout the show victoria. But she's here right now and she's gonna tell us how to get summertime fine And i'm excited are you. I'm great how are you doing good. I'm inside we. I'm tired of everything. But mainly the thing. I'm tired about this week. Is news about the vaccine Sits virus area the variant only. I'm i put in country and raising variant a african Very really yes. There's like give us apparently. Don't watch it's depressing this whole time. I'm thinking like the vaccine comes. It's going to be better and now it's just like people don't want or scheduled the vaccine or it's not working against the variance. What the fuck. Yeah did you hear. Apparently bruins fertility. Sorry don't order apparently ruins fertility too. So that's That's fabulous wines. Who's see i need to really research. Yeah i to be buried. It wasn't reading an article. I was hearing from friends. But i don't know what sounds sketch because it's the vaccine. Is you know implanting. Fucking little alien is doing. I can't keep clancy that solta wrong. Because usually a vaccine it takes like five to ten years. It'll be efficient or whatever it were from the people have been talking with that are on the field so for me. I don't i don't even it's an alcohol. they'd be rushing us like that will take it especially will decide now Because people wanna go outside that much more money you'll vaccine. There's one that is efficient. The other one is not that efficient separating equal live from a certain age. You can take that one but yoder age bracket of age iota. One is leading. It doesn't make sense. I just want this to be over and you know you're very efficient. Getting things done you can end this. I feel like if you want it to end this for real you could end but yeah job man if you cut. That's all i feel like it'd be honest if you pay attention to stage like the all about business on this or if you die it is. It is one of our many knees. Though that we had an fasten we stood was all beer. Did any why we didn't anything. The world in style was still out there. So listen i'll i'll have to say to these world leaders get us together and find a way for me to go outside. Because i'm you all got me fucked up for the summer. Yom seriously fucked up In terms of this though in these closures and all these like you know sanitary measures that we have to take obviously a lot of now a lot. The gyms are closed so all legit spurt close. You know how. How are people like. I'm just going to jump into this question because we're going to get into your background. But i just wanna know like how can people stay in shape that they want to stay without the gym or the physical location of jim. It's tough for sure Not gonna lie like the first. Well what am i saying every single time. The gym closes my mental health to school. And it's lake. Every single trainer is probably feels that way too. So it's kind of hard to like inspire other people when you feel like total shit so It's definitely challenging and especially because Bodyweight workouts obviously are possible. But you just have to have more knowledge. So it's tough. But i have seen a lot of gyms Come out with apps and live calls like zoom calls or whatever and then a lot of my friends started training outside which i actually feel like For a lot of smaller trainers that want their own brand. It's actually been kind of a plus like this whole thing because usually when you're attached to a gym you're that's where your clients come from. That's where you do most of your networking so it's really hard to separate yourself from that even though like you're not getting paid as much so i feel like it's made a lot of trainers braver and kind of just started more being more entrepreneurial. Electricity people outside so for some trainers. It's a good things but obviously for the vast majority of the population. It's horrible and i feel like a lot of the professionals in this field. Understand the mental the mental aspect of it better than like the general population. And i feel like everyone's going through some shit right now every every few days. I don't even know what's going on. There is always always and everyone's like a little bit more on edge on social media and it's not intended. Nah i like to fight that you keep. It kept accepted a book because lie. I've been watching nigel. A lot of people being training and all that but in my head. I will admit there's no way they don't have a down at a certain point because lie and me. Personally i'm not gonna lie. I been trying to train at bagram. But he's his name motivated for like two three weeks that you have in dallas. I can't even imagine a trainer. Doing like sorry. No i was just i was about to say like especially with the fact that keep playing game with the opening the opening the not only mad game and the thing is. It's not like the crazy thing else thinking about this the other day every single industry has been affected by this thing like they're it's like a domino effect to everything housing even thinking in the in the fact of the creative industry like creatives. We do like podcasting and music or whatever. Some of these things have become oversaturated. What i mean. In the beginning. I felt like in the beginning. Everybody was excited. Different people radio shows or idealized tori lanes and versus. And all that in the more. The more we've been in this like nobody cares about content that much anymore People are depressed. Nobody wants to work. Because they're like what am i going. Where am i going. No show me the club. I'm going nowhere. You know what i mean. So it's like it's hard to find that motivation You great you're. You're still finding the the the drive somewhere. Is there like certain things that you do to like. Push yourself and keep yourself going and also. How long have you been doing this for so training. I've been training people for like three years. But i've been training myself since my last year of high school was been lake. Five years at this point honestly True honestly bacteria point about people not liking content. Does much yet like last euros. Not getting any like everyone's like like the person wants to work out in the entire country. Cool like fuck you type of thing. But i personally can't go like more than three or four days without going back chick crazy without the gym so i need to earn out like it doesn't even it's not even quite excited nature. Yeah exactly like i literally. I just start being rude to everybody. I can't function so. I ended up buying a bunch of equipment like jobs like three grand. I just needed it. So i didn't really ninety eight. I moved back with my parents. I mean a lot of people had back had to figure out that living situations s. year. Not just you. But that's also like having an instagram account. Where you post your workouts slake basically with social media you probably know how it is you have to post consistently so if i if i just drop off than obviously. Nobody's gonna care anymore. So that always motivates me. When i get really really demotivated like yeah i need to keep these checks who you know what you can do. Five minutes Ally now that you are more online social media presence. You're being would it. Do you feel like did. Jim will open again. You will you will move to different direction instead of aiding demoralizing. You're taking clients at the gym or whatever and more is on the online or so. I actually don't work with a gym. I don't think it's going to change much for me. Like i make my own Plans online. And i'm actually going to start selling a resistance vans and other stuff thank you. I mean i have worked to gyms before. It's just it's good but it's not your rules so it's still better if it's your own and especially in our tour for exactly and now that it's normalized to have people over at your house or even train them outside then there's really not much benefit do it at a gym but for my own training. I need the gym. 'cause i can't afford to be buying the weights that i can lift so for training. Probably what can you lift. I'm just curious. So my favorite lift is hip thrusts. And it's actually pretty easy to go really heavy so i can live like almost four hundred pounds all not be way too expensive. And the hips lift in four hundred four hundred pounds. Okay sure you could probably do it with like two three months practice. Maybe a year or two. I don't even know if. I don't even know if i want to fair big bucket. Listen see but i'm okay department seized. I'm good with that. I wanted to ask i got sidetracked has. Has you mentioned that. But okay guys. So i literally just realized that the first part of our interaction with was not on video because Yes i will take that this week. He last week he was talking about. I messed up and if you listen to the audio for it clearly did mess up. But he just likes to say that but this week i messed up so i didn't hit record and whatever now you guys are saving toria here. She is wonderful beautiful in in the flesh in the virtual flesh. But i did have a question before. We realized that we weren't recording in terms. Of what the adjustments that you've made now like because of the pandemic is that going to change your business like for the rest of or do you pivot back when the world gets back to normal. That's hard to say. I haven't yet decided probably going to do a bit of both. Because gyms have specific Like services that they offer like one on one personal training at the gym. But if you're doing programming which is online with check ins that's considered a different service. So i mean you're technically allowed especially now when they trainers have so many options. Gyms can't get that mud but i guess we'll see i actually was in school Until this past winter. When i just finished so i didn't have a chance to be a trainer fulltime or really part time that much like i was just teaching a few classes a week at greco Last and So i'll probably dip feet back into the gym space. Just because i love it so much like it's really inspiring to be in the atmosphere and they cure saying like workouts at home or not the same. It's much better to be surrounded by other people who are like you can all feed off of the same energy so probably a bit books. Okay question for you you know. Music podcasts are mb music broadcast on if you listen to the jimbo. Wha what is your gym. Lena depends on the type of harm. Be to listen to toni. Braxton had jim orlando you need you need something more temple. People will be more info. I know i listen to you. Know i. i manage bill love at the gym. Gem family a fan of croghan on break your heart. I love that. It's on a stretch on emotional day. I mean we can get some to that. Let's say clashes like no. I need that harvard. Walk damian max. Listen you don't listen to your smoke in music playlist while you want the best that's different. That's you listen to a lot of like funky solve. You got out to that mom anita aggressive music. When am i doing that. That's me person. I still you. It's the same. I don't know any songs telling you about the hip hop. I guess we housing work out and i was listening to lizl. Honestly this maybe. Tmi listen to latin pop leg Classic latin pop. Lego full spanish slow ballads and i dunno training. It makes me feel. It makes me feel at peace personally. Isn't know necessarily so. Yes hip hop but hip hop is good for working out as well. I don't know what your question was. Clinton's i'm sorry not look like a gym playlists because i feel like why i'm asking. That question is be like me and jim as crazy as it sounds. It depends on would hawaiian with people over the gym. Or whenever i go for a run or whatever so important. If i didn't have my head for forgot my fulda cable. Whatever like literally. I will you novel Oh yeah unusually close clearances like this not only just working out. He loves news music on doing almost everything that's me to. My life is music video. Yes so yeah. I was i. Did you want to share with us already. Yeah sure actually. Yesterday i put together a twenty twenty one pump up playlist this in your stories. I oh did you. Ns so Yes sorry i still have two full you back but i put like a bunch of hip hop here. So it's like travis. Scott twenty savage meek mill pop smoke. Actually i was really enjoying pop smoke last like few weeks ago. I was listening to the pool album. Yup is so good like element. Shake the room. Every single song is so good and then like time today that go take all possible tracks no no. I'm just saying random songs. I really like what. That's speedboat By meek meek. Mike will made it and nicki menaj Playboy cardi. yeah this this. This playlist is showing me that i know no hip hop those names that you were saying you know who they are just the songs you were naming. I'm like i'm getting better. What is so crazy. 'cause when pop smoke path. And now it's telling you. I don't really know who he is. Or whatever like how fucking older you rich just like was like i'm twenty five and like well at the time i was and and i'm like i just i know his name. I've heard him. But i didn't know any salt. So then when they played the the one was. I welcome to the sweater whenever i thought. Oh yeah. I didn't know that it was only but now. Now i know post-humously i know a lot of his shots because you know they've kind of been everywhere but i had another question because we'd go stone question it but not seriously but Now because i've been having this debate with other people because sometime. I saw for my job and all that some time with and shit. The always say that i'm crazy because you are. How can you smoke before going for your job like me. I'm straight lug at the end of it. It just keeps me going. It just keeps going and trust me. I got some good lows because people are asking people think that has like crazy yabu crazy but like i can't outrun. You know to do what your astana is. What you're saying imploding. The trainer if it does so does my. Does it have certain while you train smoking at the same time or like there's actually some benefit benefits. I wouldn't go that far the internet. I don't know because tom reading stuff. But i read on the internet sometime that it can help. If you have certain pains after train new to the point. I was watching that podcasts. All the smoke to Old basketball players there were mother's side. The raiders when they have than actually taking pills and dan because of these pills itchen in everything. So that's what. He does certain benefits. So when i started training i thought that these trainers would be like practicing what they preach a hundred percent honestly doing like smoking weed as opposed to like steroids or harder drugs is nothing and i know a lot of trainers who do smoke. And i'm training for a bikini competition and my coach knows that i spoke and it's not an issue so it's like it's not that bad for your training. It does depend if you're smoking tobacco with it. Obviously i find that good. Yeah i have tried that Moving away from it. Though like back then i was doing. I was smoking splits and also doing hit in. That was not pleasant at all like you. I don't know about the research. I haven't actually done research. Because i know i'm not gonna stop anytime soon but it definitely felt pretty horrible in the lungs so like the more you increase your cardio. The the less it hurts. But it's not good. But i know a lot of people smoke after their session in lake. Probably recommend cbd more than thc for the for those lake. Pain relief effects. But i definitely think it's better than alcohol if you're going to pick one of the two evils okay. I was like this conversation. He was now. I drink way les- than before us right now. I'm drinking not no way. Let's collection not every time while i will. I will do event before so everytime people share a drain so whatever would work at all before or even under crave every time we have people pulling over the always bringing a bottle so i will drain right but now i'm out of point diet yo. I rather lights more than drinking. Be good leg on a motorway dare get messy when you drink or whatever and on top of that. Life are rear by leo. I'm not. I'm not that young before like i wasn't getting weight at all unless our trade. It's a well known fact. What now out literally live with oldest sugar the alcohol depending on what you're drinking game. We just like that. He asked not to you. When you're that old clancy. So that's why. I decided to slow down the alcohol and the the auditing too. I want to ask you because you thought about. Cbd on never been on cd like What is the if you're training because he recommended. Cbs said well. The the difference with your training will. Actually i have the company that sent me some oils. That were mixed with melatonin. Take them before bed. And apparently cbd actually helps with your muscle recovery. I've heard that about cbd without really even knowing what it is what i always. I always hear like cb reference in terms of the medical aspect of my wanna yeah exactly so For anybody that's not a smoker. They probably would like the cd more more benefits. But do you want so. I actually wanted to ask you in terms of. Because there's a lot of misconceptions. I feel about training in about you. Know weight loss or muscle build up or whatever. You're trying to do with your fitness journey. What do you think. The biggest misconception is wild like fitness in training okay. This is huge for girls but actually a lot of guys think this way to people look at themselves when they see a little bit of fat. They're like i need to lose weight and it's just like no you don't need to lose weight. You need to gain muscle and lose fat like it's not weighed. The number on the scale actually doesn't matter so i find changing what it looks like exactly like i have. I'm actually like twenty or twenty five pounds heavier than when i started. And i would say i look way less fat like it. Just doesn't matter If you're ever measuring your body fat percentage that makes way more sense because that's telling you like example the twenty four percent body versus like eighteen percent body fat and you look a lot leaner heavier so i think that's the biggest problem with people's thinking they're very obsessed with the scale a lot of the nine and even guys they don't care about weight as much find but still they'll look like their stomach and if they don't see a six pack they think they need to lose a bunch of weight when doesn't necessarily need to be that way that's what i was saying earlier diminished that a on on the alcohol trust me. That barely went away those empty calories though he just ackley it just makes your gas. I guess in your stomach builds it up. I don't really know how even live from what you're eating to. Just eating good can make a huge difference all like now that i've gotten into healthier eating. I ate fried the other day my coach when she's not happy with me my stomach headed meet even more than my coach like. I just was so uncomfortable. I could barely sleep so changes your body chemistry two. You start like those things that you don't even yeah exactly what like i know like well. I guess it's not the same thing but like some people that are like lactose intolerant. Or they know that they shouldn't be have certain things. But you know when you decided just gonna take the risks anyways. I know people like this is like you know. It's like thanksgiving mac and cheese. Just look so good and fuck it. Like i'll just i'll be in the bathroom and it is. It is and it's like and i'm like why would you do that is up because it's like momentary pleasure and then the whole night. Is you know exactly. That is nasty. I want to switch. I want to switch gears a little bit first of all. I think it's awesome like say. This girl has like Correctly from rob over twenty one thousand followers on g. So i wanna commend that for you being so young unsuccessful in this you know fitness influence sir game or whatever. You know it's a. It's a different industry for me but i can recognize you know aca recognize your hustle and grind so shutouts you now and i dropped my phone of course So there in terms of hustling and grinding. Somebody has done this a lot. In the last years. I would say his car west and the reason i say this is because i feel like a few years ago told us about his debt. He told us about a lot of things. Funny tells us about a lot of things that we don't need to know about no ferrall. He told us about his dad. And you know how he was having trouble getting into the fashion industry us just having these momentous interviews where he was just like spewing his guts and in future years he turned around his debt and now he's like but i think he was a billionaire. Something i yeah he was. We talked about. This clancy became a billionaire or something uh took. His shoe was doing ridiculously low. People are somehow buying the easy clothing for some reason for some reason because it's hideous because my friend asked me should get one. You can't even see the black letters on it. Looks like a black shirt. I don't let me tell you something. I don't understand if that's fashion. And i don't understand it how i i'm not knocking his hustle. I'm happy that he was able to make much money off this line. But every time. I see confused out all beat as version of the end yeezy but the ninety one was the richer. No one yeah original one. That was the one to render a red october. And all that like Someone like that. He's into sneakers. That was one but for me. I don't even understand was good will do indeed a easy version of Dopplers shit. I don't know if they're hideous but anyways i mean kim was his current wife but soon to be ex wife was always a costing us with pictures of these ugly pieces of clothing in But the children had them on and everything. So it's crazy to me to hear you know a couple of weeks ago. We talked about announced the announced they were splitting for real for real. This time and kim has filed recently. I just learned that. Carney has responded to a kim Kim's cam kardashians filing of the divorce oh he is like you know. He's accepted to hear it and he's you to join us. It's going to be a pretty clean divorce. Basically because the joint custody and they had a pre-nup which i recommend anybody get a pre-nup because that like i could just imagine if they had it in the beginning. I remember when they had i gone together. Everybody was just like this is. This is not going to work. And they made it longer than people thought Maybe this will work and a half four children. So they're like people are like. Oh yeah it's gonna work. But i can just imagine if she had decided not to do that it would have been so messy so they have but should be clean. Connie has actually said while allegedly through a spokesperson nother national relationship. That he wants to be in. He has to be with like a creative person or another artists. Like somebody that. I guess would understand his language more than kim. But i want to ask both you. What do you guys think about it. Do you think you have to be with somebody who Kind of does the same thing. Is you for them to understand. I have my own fossil. Elliot you guys go johnny go. I grew just adjust. Tells me like he knows what he wants what he's looking for. I feel like everybody. That's how for everybody. That's how it should be me personally. Lie on need someone that just understand my vision. Because if i'm with someone that don't understand. My vision was the point. You'll definitely definitely gonna clash. Or whatever now i don't know what he means but a by creative or art is what he's looking for specifically but i feel like many like him. He wants him female communist. What about like the bank bank said that she wanted to choose today. Connie you didn't hear that. Who elliott zillion banks into sauce. But they would be burning. I don. I don't want to people that. Go through like mental health issues or whatever but clearly leg we we know that she she has some issues hopefully like she. She was on the knob. Butler county mechanism special individual man. Look i feel like he would marry himself. I don't know but to be honest. Not romagna russula. He knows what he wants. That's should be personally. I think it's important to someone who's sick if you're on hustle lend somebody else was also on some sort of hustle right. I personally think it needs to be someone in exactly the same industry. Although that could help. But i'd carney's level. He probably already has network that he needs in that in that Yeah yes sorry but I don't know yeah. I guess like for networking purposes. If that's not a good way of thinking about it but yeah if you wanna lake make more connections than someone who also knows more people not industry makes sense. But i think if you can just inspire each other regardless of what industry you're in that should work for me. I mean when When it comes to kim in connie my very little grain of salt opinion. Because i don't know them people but from what i've seen over the years. It appears to me that kim met connie one when he developed slightly into something else. Nothing like he. He was still crystal conway when he has. I evolved especially on the spiritual side of things which you know. Know how she responded to that. And second i think kim in my opinion tried a lot to see things from his perspective like to join him on on that connie side of things. I don't think every like every artist needs to be what an artist or lake know. An actor has to be when an actor or you know if your finance person you gotta be one another finance person not gonna understand. I don't agree what. I do agree with victoria. Said is like if. I'm gonna if i'm somebody to hustles Ambitious i need you to kind of have that spirit as well or else. 'cause i've been in this situation whereas like i was more ambitious than my partner or whatever and very like oh why you always busy and you know they're kind of a little more easy yes Pity were both of you. Were not on the same page right so i think gas import industry is necessarily necessary for connie though i do think so because now that i who kinda is he needs to be with somebody who lack on that way. Because if you're not you're not gonna get it has to be with somebody like a little thin thin with gonyea because were multiple is clearly not essays level. But nobody's nobody bama personally written immune sometime because ghani is a visionary like sometimes lie boehner What he's saying. Whatever are even before on pass episode. I said you're adult care about what you're saying because that's rich people problem but tanya the state of mind of all the creative. It's about the bigger picture. And sometimes why i understand. Why saying that you to be with a creative or whatever is because you can have a vision sometime. You can approach people with some project goal. Whatever right away they will reject your should. They won't take you seriously but did just see what's in front of them or what have been presented to them but they don't see the big picture and there's a lot of time he said i'm not gonna lard some like i said some of these should add not agree at all. Saudi should Way is going even though he didn't say the proper way you wasn't particularly the way that he was trying but in may says and like i said that multiple times there's no billionaire. Tanya knows what he's doing so that's why he needs someone would that would be biocide will understand the division that he has in light. Yo you say. It's not nice kid is that you said earlier kim. She tried bud clearly not on the same page much like she tried on the same page so even if she tried to understand. I don't think that you will ever understand. Mean she got four kids out of it. I think you know your kids just gonna be regardless vision wise. No absolutely regard regardless. I hope you'll be able to parent well because you know those they do. The kids do deserve to have parents who agreed to some extent but in terms of matching each other. I think images in a whole different path right on a whole different paths right now and i i feel like for a couple you need to have a sort of similar vision and i just don't think the eye to eye with that if you guys are going in different directions is almost. It's nothing you can do. It's going to separate regardless well right off the bed you'll feel the energy on off that's me personally. The right of the bat. It should get into a relationship. It's something that you should see if y'all gonna be on the same page or not obviously happing and be like. Yeah you know it will definitely not doesn't word lead dip you'll see force it can't forget jammed force it. You'll see right away. Just lie seeing how the other person works like if you feel like. That's how i see it in person that i'm with Motivate me to read at our level and vice versa than audit raido. Right by you know that okay article so we on the page. The you'll make some terrifies. You'll make some moves that you that the other person will realize that okay. The action is doing that for us to the next level so but actually kanye and kim. I didn't have that feeling personally. So i was just the whole time. I was confused a lot of time. Most of the time. I was like i don't see how like i was honestly at some point i was. I was counting down. I was like yash this. Somebody's about to file. Somebody's gonna file in an. I pretty much knew it was to be kim. That would file and she did so. I guess my final question just goes came as we're talking. Would you be with another trainer or somebody in the fitness field. Yeah definitely i mean. I'm not discriminating. I would be with anyone. I match with. Who inspires me Guy definitely feel lake. Being with another trainer would make sense because you have a very similar lifestyle basically Will personally. I don't need to be with another trainer but i need to be with someone who trains trains right. Because i can't imagine that. I'm spending like two hours at the gym. Every single day will not to us. But you know like wake up. That's my first priority. Get it out of the way and then move on with my day and then my partner is just not doing that. I don't know it would just really demotivate motivate me so it's nice to have someone who like you see them doing their own thing and then you get inspired to like do your own thing. That's the same thing. Get fellows no skinny. Little stick gamers. Y'all chino maybe. Because i apple some other people on the same field in living in the same household or whatever by when they add to create the make. Sure that Get this out the way we already doing that during the day. We do the same shit like would you let it's a little bit too much will already training our business and they're not adequate training already together and all and then let europe the supper time you're talking about training clients or whatever that will be to look. I don't know. I've never dated a trainer to be honest with you but i have dated someone who worked out the same amount of times as me and like we don't do the same workout so we just go to the gym together. You'll go to his chest day. I'll go booty next home. Eat together like that's basically the part that i find most challenging cooking so like cooking together and eating together i find that's really nice Yeah i find. I find that couples and this is what i've been told as well sometimes when couples do the same thing or the stern the same field there is a underlying a feeling of competition. I've honestly oh wait. Now that i think about a half date the trainer that guy. Can you remember clearly. He wasn't you know. Part of the competition. I guess kind of did yeah I i was kind of jealous because he started training people before me in. I feel like he was gonna jealous. 'cause i had one scam. Paul was kind of weird. I was thinking. Like if i was dating like another creative at least creative with me. I'll be like if i see like you know. His shows getting a little more listens over there. Or you know. I'm not saying it'd be just like kinda right like what like would be. That's not the spirit young. Because i don't know man In fussy someone doing better than me no matter what my heart man. I cannot hustle even with great. But i've been with people who are jealous of me. I haven't been on the other end of it. I haven't been on the other end. So i don't know really but that just means i haven't dated ambitious guys but now the new requirement is that you want something out of life. Thank you for your. I love that. I don't know me personally. I don't mind Me m we totally different. And i think that is good because it gives place to a lot of conversation you get different perspective and at the same time you get to the other persons. Were also for me as well. So that's what. I don't know if i'll be able to be with some if i would be able to be with someone that is in the same world as me as a creative or somebody who was hosted if they was hosting events and then they twitch was when better. You're going to be a little salty. August i mean that's not he's not being no i don't i don't mean is like what is this person doing better than me. Some desert with me. I'm not afraid to ask what yo man i'm trying to get going on. What are you doing now. That i'm trying to do the same shit as what are you doing. And i'm taking notes by nikki. Be having your shit forever. She clearly before that word. So i'd be like eleven. Pay attention to what exactly like that that see but that's a winning mindset a lotta people they get like and i feel like this is not really. Take a back to carney. But i feel like honey. Is that petty person that instead of taking the creativity he would just be like just getting so angry. Issue is not because he's he's vented about you before like when he about different clothing lines on are doing better than him and how he's not unlike. Sometimes i was like grow like just relax. Gory strategize maybe. You need a new team around you make. Why are you blaming yellow. These people on the radio. It's not gonna it's really not gonna change anything it's just make people think throw temper tantrums. And that's exactly what i did but anyways i think he got a new team because the the money start to turn around for him real quick. So that's what i'm saying but before you know before we get out of here 'cause you know time is running out but i have to ask you. Is there anything that you have coming up on your page or anything. That people can look forward to in the where they can folly. Yes thank you so mine. victoria fits it's v. i. k. t. o. r. I y it kinda complicated but usually if you write it comes up so hopefully that will work but like let's say a flex. I'm sorry. I three matters and i should come up on the street. One time knows like vi k. And he was like thank you so the police. But anyway what's i do. Have some booty camps coming up. I wanna get some smaller groups together like three or four girls because apparently we're only allowed to hang five people outside but whatever get like four people together do some booty camps outside. I'm also getting resistance bands So that should be coming soon and hopefully expand from there are essel. Get low bear moves. I'm excited i'm excited for you. Gotta come back when you gotta resistant Maybe we can give some away on the show. And i want to thank you so much for coming by a you know for you know. Have a conversation. What has given us those tips. Definitely couple of things that i learned especially about you know the the number that you were talking about and not liking redistributing the way that was really interesting and know we're gonna get outta we. I mean well you're going to get out of here because we still have more shoulder record. But we'll we'll check in with you later. Thank you for having me. It's been a lot of fun. Thank you for coming. Thank you bye. Okay shot victoria does a great a little segment there so we got talk about relationships. Doesn't helps the. We have a couple of topics that we need to address. Adjust the first things first because of talk about it and everybody seems to be so happy about it. I'm not necessarily on happy about it but it happens in. You know In harrison as his name has been found guilty in the murder of judge. Floyd george floyd also counts guilty guilty guilty. I second degree third degree. It was lovely to hear all of the guilty. I i'm going to say my heart jump philadelphia guilty however this is only scratching the surface of justice inside huge. Because it's been the minute won't is a minute. I i actually. I don't even know if like a happened before that someone was held accountable for their action. Your but not to this magnitude like that was reading now earlier today. That the same moment that they were giving the verdict. Somebody got shot again. Look in recently has been happening often while evaporate every day but like news about that live. We've been having one every day. It's full five days now. I'm tired of it and a what i told. Y'all i told you. American listeners love you mean it but do i see if he wanted it. Just make sure your your money straight. Yes but i feel like he got that money but he went to He went for what she that. Big facts i mean. I'm not saying if you all tired of having you know. Shoot upping stores all up. Your malls come to death row. I'm kidding come to count. Come come come to canada. It's not that much better but it's it's better. I have to say it. This is better. I'm not even gonna like we are bad. Federal's it's better clarity Working for prime minister. It's better we have issues to do where are you. What are you doing. Currently nobody knows. But when i hear there's a mass y'all got these mass shootings to the gun. Just be willy nilly everywhere. The clipping i was looking not a issue stories. Were a guy was saying light was actually that up and they were playing a wide man saying that all parents beating their kids is abused a dentist switched up to a black guy and blog. I will. I wonder why you have. You're keen shooting up baldwin shifts lag. You need to instill fear in them. You need to dance up. But oh man i don i. It's just it's just crazy this. I'm annoyed like i'm annoyed for yard and we have should happening here too. So i gotta do the shit year and in the us. Because i talked to my american family a lot and actually one of my cousins. He has a show. I was recently on his show. And there was a topic of of this type of stuff happening and you know it's draining manage draining to hear what's happening to our people and it's unfortunate i end so yes i was. I was happy to hear about the the the verdict in that they came to the correct one for once because again. That doesn't happen often. And homeboy looks shook. it's okay. He was like what you said what you said. I'm not getting so this is. Oh y'all y'all for real. I'm going to jail jail like now. Obama bell revoke. Does you might elizabeth zimmerman and visit. Sorry so y'all need to get his little friends too. You know little friends. I was standing there fucking watching this leg. I'm sorry. I don't even say this word out lake but these coxless cup cops that were sitting there standing around. Ring fucking nothing. Y'all got fucking balls you know. I'm swearing allow for you too. But i can't believe it i'm like this is blue. This blue lives matter. You'll just let him do what the fuck he wants or is it is the hatred that strong like fuck you manage kneeling on him for fucking nine minutes and nobody's doing anything all y'all with fucking badges and guns suck my dick. I'm sorry those lists. So yes. So i'm happy about that. I give no fox that he's going to be there for most likely the rest of his life. Good riddance makhaya bryant. Was he nature. Who was right after this. Sentencing was announced and then we hear about the teenager. Teenager was shot and i. just. Here's what i'm gonna tell you. He wanted to help out that situation. Go to care. Washington's instagram page. She has all the resources on her on her latest post on how to help. That's what i'm gonna because what i will say. One good thing. That came out of this. George floyd murder is that we have shown that when we organize it. When we don't let up now we can have change occur and this is why it into very important to keep doing so far black women as well. Hello brianna taylor. Still here say her name. You know hello mci brian. These people deserve justice as well so the fight is not over. And i'm not gonna lie. I don't think that i'm the only one that's like that. But our men of gold chain and what might as well like the un goes e. oakland. Toby safe out there. You know whenever you go out now just seeing that is by of only adding yup. And i think i'll staff. This is a step in people thinking twice now on that end up being like whole happening in minnesota right minnesota upper light behold minnesota have a pressure on the justice system and yemenia were already there. Were already set through mike. Cancel game because a bad verdict now in or on everybody ready to make noise out there. Make the make your dollars. Beards felt yup yup. What it is guys or voices are out there who and this is. Good to be honest with you is good for for the youth realized for us to realize for older older generations to allies that we still do have a say. We can make noise and we can get results it takes. It's harder for us and yeah it's gonna take perseverance. The ads gonna take doubling down but the end result is equality at the end of the day working towards that fairness justice. We're working towards then. I hope that you know we continued on and don't let up. I'm this kind of has reinvigorated me to like not let up like fucking light. Make noise if you need to make months know what i mean So talk you know. Had people clarence very happy last night's battle while can now you know again when we're recording so the reason versus battle method man and redman occurred on four twenty because why not at the. I don't like the new format the way they had their format for whatever. That's neither here nor there it was. I had it first of all. I'll just say for the ladies method. Man was there. So that's the only meth i will. Do you know what i mean Would from white greg net worth. What else now doing that kind of map. He's just beautiful. You know re redman. Was there looking. Lena like a little snack as well. You know i mean. I love their energy. They're like the probably. I don't even know another one hip hop i can compare them to. I really like now just unique in by my personal experience in for in the past going to a met amena redman show live. You seem them. Can you trust men what you saw on. Tv would lie really. They really didn't do the same goofy shit on that which is all but on light. Usually lightning would be flying around. Should have stand where light usually do. Walk them rousing something that made them in all that jesus uses walking water but anyway but Knob with it was. I didn't feel like it was a battle in. it's one adores. Usually more was celebrating. Concert for rare instance. I didn't mind. Because i didn't expect them to battle because they got so many joint projects together in all their own mini featuring in like the fact that the insane like remedies like the unofficial eleven member of the worst thing vice versa alive. Kind of part of the death squad. So many is man like the camaraderie and all that and a pig. The perfect dj night with manichean. My from four twenty. I you know again. That's why i like clams casino. Act like he has more of a connection to deny. But i i a lot of the size i love is a little bob. You know what. I mean some of the sauce. I didn't know to be honest with you when it comes to because i realized i know a lot more just in general. 'cause i remember our conversation. I guess i'm a lot older hip. Hop and i know the new hip hop so it was deaf. Madman wasn't angelo break-up or make-up listen. I was lit when that was going on but no assumption is like like i remember india. Think rick ross battle like there were a few of the deep cuts that i was. I don't know as much but like but like most of his discography. I you know what i mean. But the method man redman one was definitely entertaining tonight in st a whole time but i love the dj as well was it was a dj scratch. Scratch scratch yes. I i thought he was really dope is well. Some people thought he was annoying. I like them. Because i've been on twitter during these battles right people will just be saying whatever it's it's if you watch versus with twitter. It's ten times funnier because now because the thing with Back in the day by day but last year when versus had started when you were on averse if you would see regular people comments too so you know it was. It was like washing crab now. The only comments you see famous people comments. Let's not fun so you got to. I usually only see celebrities. Maybe it's a setting. I have but not but we asked listened. Honestly guys not. That much happened this week. The battle was cool. I'm excited to see how. W he is gonna stop escape into the ground as allavena told me is what's going to happen but i'll be watching the battle regardless you know what i mean and the last thing i want to just real quick because i want know classes opinion on this kiki palmer usually recently made a comment on either i g twitter i dunno which platform but it made it to the shade room into other blogs and she's basically had a long asher saying in essence that she single until she's married basically and is what she has been taught and she agrees with that mentality so basically in hill. She has a ring on her finger. Even if she's with you she ain't with you like that like she could. You haven't locked her down. Basically she can fucking around if she wants to And vice versa. I guess she sees as a single woman. If she's in a way religion sean. That was said before i say anything winning. What context she just. She just ran. She makes a lot of. She does a lot of these things. You just randomly says cotton even if he's in a relationship without being married against The the or. I don't believe in girlfriend and boyfriend. I'm single till. I'm still on their kids readers so i saw some people like okay. I have heard this before on government papers when he asks you single married or divorce. If i'm not married you. If i have a boyfriend put single right. Because that's the option might make sense however that's a me is a cop out for not committing. That sounds very much like somebody who has no you he but it sounds like some kind of commitment issued to me like you have to on some chris brown should. I'm single with a girlfriend literally. Awesome chris and keeping our our. Chris said it more than kiki. Because think you saw all type of crazy out there. I don't even need to notarize thing. These are the same people that lie go mobile. Then i'm working for. I'm looking relationship in all debt. Or whatever are auto notice situation where her may be lashio cheat on or whatever. But hey pete that only goes out there trying to marry you. Use you on the non relationship diaper should. That's weird too because hot the agree with clarence. It just doesn't make sense at all you need. I'll know man itself. Like i'm sure the guy no he wants to marry you if you are. If you're acting like y'all you don't wanna be bothered if it doesn't make sense because like so that means for me from what i'm reading in what she say like so you just want be out here a while in like if because he hasn't locked you down but how can you lock you down. If if you're acting like i don't i don't know i i don't agree with it. Actually restrict of bullshit. I don't think she needs that. You just to say because a lot of people agreed with it. There'd be like if you want me that you need to put a ring on if you want a lot of people when the comments like yeah like what she's saying. Because i mean if you were serious about meat anyway you know. Are you gonna wipe them. Like if i see you smashing around. I'm not gonna put a ring on it. That's me now. I'm not again and i'm not saying be boyfriend and girlfriend for nine years. Ladies watch this if you are somebody who wants to be married and you are with. Somebody knows your intent that they wanna be married. Don't fall into these traps of these long relationships with this guy who's made you think he's gonna marry you when he's kind kinda string you along because he's not gonna see this. Listen to this thing. Because he's but i don't fall into that because i i always look at like. I think he got married now. Miguel but him and his girl was dating for like nine. Ten years that happened with jennifer hudson and her man to eventually she treated. And i'm saying. I don't know the ins and outs of the relationship but i feel that she got tired of waiting for the wedding date was like fuck it. I mean it depends on the situation. ammo some of some of the people around me one among the home. You ideally netting for like two years but like obama gotta do go step by step in when you start will do at least on the same page but so have you on the same page. That's fine but the garlic saying oh. Yeah i'm thinking there's pump-faking niggers out there not not just man even women's on one it's time to make the mold swerving the these women but is i don't know that for me is common sense. If at a certain point lie oh issue dating someone at a certain four now. Everybody got their own flow. Don't get me wrong. Luigi space but if you has that five six it's all about the move to be honest if you don't make of especially on the women's side Discerning will be like man will say time. There's like the social pressure to from or social pressure like automatically when you're in a relationship like the trying to push to mayor married are after the validation with your in a haitian caribbean family is immigrants. Like you boil it and it shouldn't be like that people go on in their own flow. I do say that. I think it depends the pace of the relationship honestly ladies. It's going to be said by you. It's gonna be based on what you allow And i have heard on forgot who whole radio hosts in the states somewhere. Maybe in chicago. She was doing a live. I forgot the name of the person but she was talking about this in the the wife. Privileges being given but your girlfriend and it's like if you're giving all of these wife privileges but you expect to be one day made a wiper you're just like you're already giving them everything that they would get as a as if you were wife then. There's really no reason for a man to marry you and you know i was listening to that. I mean 'cause 'cause i have a friend she is so and i hope she doesn't listen to this 'cause i'm suppose her a little bit but often you don't know her name friendly. She's with her man. They've been together for a while. She wants a ring. The thing is he just like what is going to change. Was i give you this. And i'm just like brought like in my head like just like you'll like for real because y'all already like why would he do that. There's no reason for him to marry what is going to change for real like other than like if you go to a hospital. Now he can make decisions on your life which is important. Some people decide to get married because of that but while it is because me personally lie. There's some people in my family or people that i know forever. They decided to get married like thirty years later. Just as a neither of just like a sambol lie. Okinawa is like for them. It would like celebrating their you know when you celebrated your adversary but for that Thirty years or whatever are now. I don't know how it is in this stage or whatever But in quebec the off or fire right. Yes so if you yes thank you but like if you live with that person after a certain amount of time you guys are considered common law married directly so all epipens also what you want if you want to be. If you're okay with that like you said you know the situation. But i'm specifically saying if you're a woman who wants to get married don't give all those benefits right away because there's no reason for him to do so there's nothing wrong to give all of the it all depends on your state of mind and again. We talked about that during with victoria during is like ed. Just make sure that you to see in beige like if you you clearly know you would that person but that person is not really into like area marriage and all. That is my man. What what are you doing with that. You need to know person to to make sure that you not losing. I full five years of your life definitely was on the same page as you have. That's it that's the whole point of it of this one and then from there you'll be able to moved in. I don't know some people are talking relationship. improving after. Ucla were men ladies. Stop thinking you can change him. Sought meeting these men and be like woo. Yeah that i don't like this. I don't like but i can change it southern so i don't know how many but i know that women's were civically. Y'all be thinking you. You are mr mrs fix it. You know fixer upper stopping only. Jesus can save them will never see the whole. But they'll be captain save three dollars. She'll say it after all the customer did on. This won't be kept guy especially guys out there that's why we'll say like man than are feeling right now. Don't be kept on show on these. They are all right all right guys. Well if you've enjoyed our conversation today. I hope so. Have thoughts concerns disagreements. I know somebody's gonna disagree with the shit i said. But that's right onto lowdown gmail.com break down. The number to load comes on in your comments and questions in. We'll be at the top of next episode on the warm up. Make sure your fondness on Media real underscore be to l. on twitter at breakdown slowdown on instagram. And just search began to load on facebook all of those with the number to not the word to end. Riina get into some final thoughts of this week own. Get into your feelings much. Don't be afraid of rejection saying that is because man sometime again. Approach people get it right away. Because i know a lot of people sometime line on arniston is personalities person. Did the person have all the right to say. No so. Just make sure it had. That means they don't mind that i have with. That always been having a lot. Yo person say no article see you at the top of make sure that person regrets because that personal motto was still seen at. You're making moves so don't be afraid of rejection. Don't mean you're failing doing you. Okay Mine is you know. I think i've said this before register reminder to well actually. I don't think i've said this before. A lot of things seem very overwhelming until you split it up into different tasks so knew that. Because i i don't know if i mentioned this on july suffer from really extreme anxiety So clarence may know due to some of my calls to him. But i i get really anxious at times Panic only a certain few people know that about me because my outside persona is very calm is very collected people at work. You handle stress very well but on the inside. I'm freaking out. So only a few select people know might might true nature irish. It might. yeah so you know. Everything seems overwhelming. Until you split it up like yo you little chunks. is better than like a huge pie for little chunks and then you can consume it. So that's my final car and watch out for allergy season because it's upon us guys next week right by.

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Jarmo Kekalainen on the Dubois-Laine Deal

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Jarmo Kekalainen on the Dubois-Laine Deal

"To demonstrate my love and dedication to hockey and my commitment to the game okay. So here's how the podcast today is going to work folks elliott. Now you're gonna briefly. Talk about the appear. Luke dubois patrick. Line eight trade that we saw over the weekend throw drake raw slavic in there. Of course he's a big part of it in the third round. pick But you're going to hear from your motech. Elaine and general manager the blue jackets here in a couple of seconds after the interview. Elliot's got lots of juicy bits of news you're going to want to stay tuned for So it's going to be a lot of columbus a lot about winnipeg a whole lot of kick and then some news. That's the deal before we get to yama though elliott. Take us through your friday and take us into your saturday morning as well. Friday night was a wild one as the trade rumors really heated up. It looks like these two sides. We're going to do it. And then other teams jumped in. Bom here's anaheim boom. Here's montreal take us through your friday saturday. So jeff thursday night. I'm just looking back at the app to see what games were going on thursday night. Because i'm trying to remember what i was watching. Oh jets senators. That was the game. I was watching early. 'cause by the way i have to tell you early on. I've never felt more disconnected with three quarters of the league. Like it's almost like we're covering seventeen league up here because we're doing so much scotia north. Yeah and i don't like this feeling. Actually i'll tell you. I i don't like feeling so cut off with the rest of the league. But you know that's a conversation for another time. But i was watching ottawa winnipeg and then all the sudden you see okay do was not playing and your reaction is here we go. We all knew this was going to happen here. We go and then. I switched on the app to look at the game. And i want you know you go to. Nhl dot com. You check the shift chart you go look at his shifts and you're sitting there and you're going oh my goodness and you know how it goes on twitter. Everybody starts ripping tortorella because it's kind of the easy thing to do. Like i sent that clip to people. I know don't like tortorella. And they looked at it and they said can't blame them for this one and the thing to me was the most amazing was the tyler. Johnson thing he just allowed himself to be pushed off the puck. And you know we talked about this the other day when we did our last podcast so the one thing we realized on friday was that i think on thursday night there was a conversation between caroline and the asian for dubois was pat brisson and i think they pretty much knew that it was over that columbus was going do. It's once around the league and say okay. Here's our deal and make it and they knew and we'll talk to about this. They knew that winnipeg's offer was there. He told us something about the offer. That i didn't know before that it had to be a two for one. It was not going to be a one for one. You'll hear more about that in the interview. But he that that was there that winnipeg was in his hip pocket just as the jets. New columbus was in their pocket. And i think he went around and he said okay. What is everybody else have. What's everybody else willing to do. And i heard calgary up their offer but it wasn't white. Columbus wanted montreal. You know my believe jeff. Is that before the season. I think the canadians might would have considered suzuki at least thought about it. But the way he's played now that the season's underway the canadians just decided they couldn't do that. Anaheim was in there. They upped their offer. I've heard it did not include ziggurats or drysdale that neither will anaheim was not willing to give up either one of those players and i just think that they reached a point where they realized that the best offer they were gonna get is winnipeg's and i think in a lot of ways. That deal was done on friday night. I understand that winnipeg had to do some final due. Diligence and i think it was just medical records just to make sure everything was okay and once that was done on saturday morning the jets made the deal but i think everybody knew on friday night that that was going to be the deal. It was just a matter of you know it wasn't done until it was done. Then that's kind of where it all went. So ron maclean really did his best on saturday to try to draw out of pure luck to. Wha what exactly happened. What was the conflict. What was the issue. Or what were the issues and dubois went. You know full matrix and charged and we've and docked and pret- sold His way around not exactly saying what the problem or problems were okay. So you mentioned you didn't have control necessarily where you'd end up but you did have a little bit of leverage in the sense of i wanna treat. Everybody wants the answer. Why when did you know pure loop that you had to leave. Columbus can you. Can you give us the answer. That we've never really had why you wanted to said since the of that i'm not gonna go into detail on and and i walked but i again say You know it was a it was a process. It was thinking about a long time. It wasn't overnights Just woke up one morning and it was a decision to make. It was something that i thought about in. You know as as a negotiation. We're going you know. Obviously you don't take anything personally but as they go along and longer you can you kind of start to think about stuff in situations and you know at some point. I thought i mean there's while the hockey player and then while the human and i wanted to myself to my teammates on knew that if it was no longer deal that the down i i wanted. I would have wanted this to happen. so i wanted to not to be real myself. Redo bureau teammates in everybody online. Some people aren't happy about it. And i get that. I'm extremely grateful for everything that columbus the fans of the city on my teammates. In the gun from you. But i do find it interesting that he talked a lot. Abo- being true to himself. There's a lot of references To being true to himself. And that's a very personal thing to say that could mean a number of different things personal political religious don't know I don't know that we're ever going to unless you decide to disclose find out where the disconnect happened or if it was even one specific moment or if it was an accumulation of things. I just don't know there's probably only a handful of people who do. But i think that there was enough in that interview with ron that leads you to conclude that well. We discussed last podcast. Which is there's more to this story than what meets. The eye is accurate. We don't know exactly what it was. But was that. Not pure. Luke dubois at least confirming in your mind that there was more than just You know what the coach barked at me. And i don't like him. Yeah there's no question that's true. I think there's a lot to unpack here. Only he can answer those questions. I think one of the reasons he answered the way a wise is because columbus had tried to change his mind and he said no. I'm staying true to what i believe in. That is that. I wanna go elsewhere. I think that's part of it. There's a lot of theories here from wanting to play on a bigger stage. And when i said that because it's gotten a lot of traction people like all winnipeg that's a joke. It's the smallest market in the league. The one thing this is not me taking shots columbus in any way shape or form but the one thing about winnipeg is hockey really matters there and i think for some people that's important and i could see for dubois that being really important so it's not necessarily the size of the market it can also be. How much does it matter there. And in winnipeg it matters a ton and jahmil goes into a passionate defense of columbus in our podcast in the interview. Coming up and i agree with him. I really like it there but for whatever reason it wasn't that way for dubois another theory that's been given to me is that you know the way columbus does business also will be addressed our interview. I believe columbus was one go eight times eight for dubois. I think they were going to make him the wealthiest player in the history of the franchise. So i don't think that was a problem here. I do wonder if one of the things do was concerned about long-term was that if he signed for say eight years other players on the team might leave as free agents. he's seen it happen to aaron Happened to brodsky. it's possible. He was concerned about that. And i could see him not saying that jeff because you know at throws other players out there and some people just won't do that. That's fine with me. But i think at the end of the day. He made it very clear that whatever the reason was he wasn't going to change his mind and the more i thought about it. You know what. I kind of thought of was james harden james harden effort it his way out of houston. He made the situation untenable and houston said. That's it we're doing it. We can't allow this anymore and do the same thing he made. The situation untenable like there's no doubt for me now that after watching john tortorella on friday and the way he talked that he knew it was over. And the blue jackets just like the houston rockets. With james harden the columbus blue jackets were with du bois. And there's been a lot of theories to about. Is there a personal reason that du bois. You know didn't want to be in columbus whether it was something with his teammates. Or whatever that answer i mean it. Leaves a lot of things open to interpretation and until he decides to say what it is. Everyone's just gonna keep guessing either that or jeff just going to move on and say it's over. There's no point in talking about it anymore. What do you think people do with this. They just give up the hunt. Yeah not not on twitter. Let me introduce you to twitter sometime. we do have the same questions as well about s- patrick line in and where it went south With him in the winnipeg jets will pause that conversation because he did reference. What's your kick. Elena does discuss in this interview. So let's get right to it so people can listen to it. This is your kick elaine and general manager pulling off the big deal with kevin chevrolet off over the weekend on thirty one thoughts. The podcast brought to you by the gmc. Sierra at food always good when a major newsmaker joins the podcast. He is yarmouk kick elaine general manager of the columbus. Blue jackets Jahmil thanks so much for doing this. And i'm always curious about how deals come together. And maybe more specifically when deals and you know we know that there are other teams out. There obviously interested in pierre. Luke dubois in your mind. When was this trade over. Like at what point did you say. Okay i'm done. He's going to winnipeg jets by you. Gotta do your due diligence around the league and see what the interest level is and what type of options we have available. And we did that. We recommend order and you might make have to make a couple rounds a call system. Make sure that everybody who's interested. Got their opportunity to give their best shot and we did that as well. So it took a little while but You know we came to the conclusion there. After the last game that dubois played that we wanna do this sooner rather than later so we were pretty busy on friday working on that than saturday morning. We we were ready. And and now. We have patrick line and ross lubbock here. One thing that became clear to us on the outside. Is that you and kevin chevrolet off had discussed this for awhile that you kind of both knew that if you wanted to do this there was going to be the opportunity to do it. I'm curious caramel. How'd you guys known that you were each other's potential trade partners. If you needed to be we we had a good dialogue for a while and this is probably the best match right from the start. But as i said we had to do our diligence. And make sure that we've done our homework on every opportunity that might be out there and after we'd done that we return to talks with winnipeg several times and and wanted to make sure that all parts of the trade work for us as far as cap goes cash involved there other parts of the deal that we had to iron out once. We actually does hurdles. We were ready to pull the trigger on both sides. You describe what. It was like thursday night for us. I know what a incredibly competitive person. You are a lot of things. What was it like watching that. And can you talk about your discussions after the game that night. Internally internal talks always internal talks for me and a very serious about that but you know there are certain values that We have within our organization within our team in our locker room and we have a very demanding head coach who never compromised. Those values would never want him to compromise those values and i support him honor percent when he he does his coach in enforcing those values and it came to a point. Where were that wasn't a level of commitment to those values that was given by fearless dubois and that's why he was bent and i support the coach hundred percent on on that decision. Like i said after that. I think there's a little more urgency on our part to get this done and we're happy to move on with the two players that we like even if the trade hadn't occurred on saturday morning to the organization had pure luke dubois played his last game with the blue jackets. And what. I'm sort of getting at was anyway that he would have played saturday afternoon. No no you wasn't gonna play saturday but after that. It's the coach's decision on on all. He wants to handle the player. And there's no need to get into that but There's always a second chances and opportunities to redeem yourself as a player if you make a mistake or don't live up to the values that we hold strong ear but you have to show through your hard work in practice and and how you conduct your business in the locker room and within the team and I'm sure then. Our coach will always give him every player a second chance or an opportunity to show that. He's ready to live up to the expectations into valleys. You know one of the things. I'm curious about because i can remember. We all can specifically at the buffalo draft when when winnipeg took line to and And you surprised everybody Everybody except your own organization. I should add By selecting pure lubov number three knowing how much you value. Patrick line with your team now. Did you try to move up to get line a at to any discussions about that at all at that point absolutely absolutely we tried like hell to move up from three and Weren't successful at. I'm we felt like we took the next best player and he's turned out to be a good. Nhl player and you know the funny part about people talk about the value position at centre and wing. And you know. I agree with all of that but at the same time when we took care of dubois with played six months center the previous year junior and the experts told us that he can't play center. He's a wing. While i turned out to be a pretty good center in this league. So it's that's how times he wall. Sometimes you know we have some guys this year that have stepped up to the plate and given the opportunity to play different position like alexander texier. We drafted him as a senator but as a young player you wanna bring him in slowly and make sure that there're there Up to the task. Which is the demanding position in forward on the forward side because of the defensive responsibilities. He's played great for us so far at center whether he's ready to do it. Full time through the whole season. We'll see but when we drafted him. We saw center in him and he played center at grown up in france and infant but the because the defensive responsibilities he was sometimes moved to the wing as well and he's been awaiting pretty much the whole time so far with us. This year is played center. Nowadays played great for so. That's how we try to evaluate players to is k. They might be playing wing now but can they play center when jack. Ross levick who. I see as big part of this whole deal was drafted used drafted as a senator and he's played center wing in the national hockey league for his career but Winnipeg has a very strong forward group. And there's only so. It was so much of opportunity to play in the top blinds at the center is only two of them if you take tough to lives and Sometimes you could fall behind somebody that's got more experienced and and he's playing better the time but an opportunity is a wonderful thing. We've seen that so many times in this league where were all of a sudden when you get an opportunity you take off with it and never looked back. I can tell you a story about your looked boy. He was He was playing on the wing with us and wasn't playing very well and and then all of a sudden coach Ele at a lot of discussions bothering move moved into a center. And put him with our timmy pinera and he took off played. Great and Played center ever since so. That's why i think the the create real opportunities for young players to show what they can do and they're not ready for fine but that until you give him opportunity than it's hard to evaluate so let's big part of our long-term decisions to when we construct a roster and look forward to not only this year but next year. Who do we sign. How do we re signed zero enough opportunity for that. Guy's there enough opportunity for in that position for that guy who we see as a senator or a week so it's an interesting process. What would it have caused you to move alborn spot at that draft. I'll tell you one thing. I never going to talk about. Any of the the private talks that. I have with general managers in this league. Never going to put any any of my colleagues in a bad spot by saying that they offered this guy. I offered that guy or effort this that to move op board. They offer so and so for this player. So that's one thing. I take very seriously. That's a very boring answer. i have to hang on. Let me let me let me. Let me continue this quick fishing trip. Did you ever think you were close. No no they. Were not moving to pick the one thing that i have thought about here. A bit is that you know remembering that draft when it was coming down. Everybody was talking. The top three was matthews. Line a pool your v. Who by the way is looking like a totally different player happily for him. But you you took a chance. And jeff and i and your fans no you. You're confident and you believe in yourself. But at the time it was a risk and i've wondered if that disappointed you more throughout this process at all that you yourself out there and you turned out to be right and it didn't work out long-term wanna take the best player available and i live by the Principle of the biggest risking life is not to take any and I have tremendous faith in our scouting staff. I think they do a great job. They've done a great job for us. And that's what we're always gonna make our decisions based on what their lists like. We're not going to make him because of outside pressure or with all due respect what the what. The experts are saying how the list should be. We look at our list and those guys have worked on it all year long watching players over and over and over again it all their background checking and research on them and then they put them in order. That's the order we're going gonna go by and it's very very simple. How crucial is it now. for you your mode to start to build You've already commented on this. But if you could expand to build a long term relationship with patrick line a in columbus yeah i think we already started. We had a really good conversation. Patrick and you know he's looking forward to the same goal as we have which is to build a long term relationship but You know you have these young players for the rights for seven years and they've committed to that degree to that through. Cb in minot after that. If they decide they can be unrestricted. Free agents than i respect that right just as much as i i hold onto the right that we have to have their rights for certain amount of time or a certain age and expect the full commitment through that time but I see a player that the still just tapping into his potential. I think he's become a lot more two hundred player that perhaps he was when he started in this league. But i've never had any doubts about competitiveness and willingness to learn to become a better player and and his work ethic and i have a pretty good network of people that i can talk to from who've known him since he was a kid. And and we've done our research for his time in winnipeg as well so he he wants to have a great career he wants to be the best and hopefully he's with us for time. You know. I am curious what your general manager is seen in patrick line. A elliott. i have talked about this idea that perhaps nobody in the nhl can score from distance. Quite like patrick line. No shoots from farther away with more accuracy and we all know how hard the shot is. What do you see patrick lining. Well i see a great passer. Everybody in also blind scott can tell you that he's got a great shot. But i i've seen seen unbelievable passes through the in the play. He's very creative. Offensively sees the ice very well. He's also a big big body. That i think did can can hang onto and do even a better job at that just by sticking this out and protecting the puck. And and that's when he's at his best when he has the puck and You know that's the one growth area. I'm sure that coach toward ellis gonna concentrate on zaha. How do we get you more. And that's why you need that. Two hundred foot game that the best players in the game they win. The slough assumes they lose the fox. They're they're hungry to get it back because that's what they want. They want to be on the pocket. I always talk about Pablo dots duke for example. The how great. He was at that. What medication he was with the pocket. But when he's lost the puck you feel like you were out of danger with him. He'd come back and put that back pressure on you and if you stick and go the other way that's coming real two hundred foot player. What is raw slavic ceiling. How good is he what we believe. He's a big part of this and we were adamant right from the start with the talks with benefactor. We want both of these players in the deal and and it wasn't happening one for one and jack speed on our radar for a long time ever since the draft every every conversation execute. Probably to a point where he was sick me. I've asked about Ross olympic from chevy. And so i wanted to make sure that in this deal now we get him as well. We've seen him. As a senator grownup we believe. He's a center and can play center in these. Get great speed. Great skills could ocoee sensor seize the ice lot of those things that we see right now and he's going to get a great opportunity here. I have three more for you. So we'll go in order here number one. Did you ever feel that. You got a satisfactory explanation on. Why do ball wanted it to go this way. No an idol relieved. What i said that question any further. Because that's something that he should tell people if you want to and But the one thing. I know that a misconception the something wrong with columbus this is a great city. I mean i could live here for the rest of my life. I'm from finland in a safe. It's got everything you need. It's beautiful city and we got great fans. Great building in great ownership here and people are excited about hockey and then again it can give you the small city safe feeling when you when you go into the suburbs where we live for example with great schools and Some of the best golf courses in the united states. If you love that the off season so i can't say an awful lot. Columbus graded this year be. My wife talked about it many times that we could easily live here for the rest of our lives and You know i'd still go to finland in the summertime to my cottage but This is a great place to live in. I hate to see this misconception there. That's somehow people want out of cloth because it's not a great city. It's totally wrong. As i said if you become a usa and you want to go somewhere else if you wanna live in new york that while we're not new york or if you wanna live on the ocean then i don't sorry but that's something we can offer but we can offer anything. That professional hockey player needs from things that i mentioned. People are passionate about hockey here. And it's not just a great auk. He said it's a great sport city when you look at the highest state major league soccer champions here in just a booming city whether you can just see you know. It's one of the fastest growing cities in the united states. They're building everywhere here and it's better. That leads me to my second question which is probably the toughest question i have for your and that is that one of the theories about this is that there's a certain way that columbus does business. You guys are hard to negotiate with that. You've got a very demanding coach. The your organization is demanding a lot of different ways and that is what leads some people to want to leave aid. You believe that and beat you feel. There needs to be a change in the way. The blue jackets do business. No i don't feel that way at all. We have certain rights in the cba. As i said when you become a usa they tell me when they become ufa. Here's here's what. I want for money or leave. So they know when we when we have the rights. And you don't have arbitration rights for example. We're gonna say well we think this affair contract. Here's why you're the apples and Let's let's agree on a deal where we're never gonna try to squeeze you and put it on fair offer on the table. Sometimes negotiations get a little hard if the other sites unreasonable. But i don't think we've ever been unreasonable. I think the contract once he finally wanted to side with pure luke dubois to me battery something minutes to get done and you know we just sign olivia burke strength to an extension in. He's very very happy about it. But player wants to leave for other reasons than nothing we can do. We offered academic narain one of the biggest contracts in entire league is we felt that he's worth it in these one of the best players in the league and i think he is once you burn it. We're gonna pay but will also have a captain manage and now it's going to be flat for a while so if we just hand out money here contracts just because we want to be good guys than maybe the players will like us more or negotiations more. But we're going to be in a losing players and not being able to keep our team together because we would be over the cap and we don't get any sympathies from the players in agents when they have a right to to ask for whatever they want we either have to say yes or no and they become usa so got to conduct our business the right way but you know we always gonna try to be fair about shorthanded on saturday against the defending stanley cup champions. Who are off to a great start. This year your players gave you the best game of their season after you made that trade to me. We all talk especially sports people. A lot of hot air but actions speak and the way. Your team went out on saturday and played. That said to me was validation of the move that you guys had decided to make. Did you look at it that way to while they were able to focus on the right things which is playing hockey and being a team and You know that's one of our biggest strengths is that we are a team with the capital letters and we have a great ruling. We have really good leadership here and guys love playing for each other and with each other and going battle. So that's the way it looked like again on saturday and we've always been that way here for the You know but a few years now. We're we're truly a team. And i love that about our guys are. That's how they approach it. And like i said the beginning of this certain values that we don't compromise and doesn't matter who you are you have to live by those values we think very highly of within this organization within our locker room you could see and joy Within our team and on saturday's game finally looked like a team that we play great. I'm proper garissa was a wonderful effort and a lot of fun to watch columbus Shades of a couple of seasons ago sticking it to the to the tampa bay lightning in a key game You're well thanks so much for doing this Congratulations on the trade. Best of luck with lining russell And the rest of the blue jackets organization the rest the season. Thanks for joining us today. Thank you very much trout. Cheetos yaro thank you take care. Well eliot that was your mclean. General manager of the columbus blue jackets as a draft geek. a couple of things that stand out there specifically is trying to trade up in two thousand sixteen to get number two and the fact that he was not close to getting the number two overall pick in drafting patrick line a what stood out for you in our first of all i would just like to say to. Everyone knows how jeff says. The best answers were questions that he asked. Okay i i work with a very selfish co host. I liked to promote jeff's questions. He only likes to pat himself on the back. I would like everyone to notice this enough of me talk about me. Why don't you talk about me for a while. Kick was good. There's no question about him. He's a good interviewee doesn't if you ask them. A question is going to give you an answer if you want to. Obviously he's not gonna tell us everything we wanna know about what the jets asked for personal decisions. Look like he he hit nothing in a. You always wonder you know. What are the most passionate answers. these questions and three things stood out to me. Number one was that he wasn't doing a for one raw slavic had to be in the deal which explains why other teams are interested like in raw slavic teams. Like pittsburgh didn't get them number to his defense of columbus is a city and a place to live and number three his defense of the way they do business as an organization. I think those were kinds of some of the things. He's very passionate talking about those last two things both the city and the organization. And when you're the general manager of a team that's probably the way you should be. So when i'm hearing your moyo talk about and defend columbus the city i think to myself. 'cause you mentioned this is not going to be a one for one jack. Raw slavic is going to be part of that deal. I wonder how much and it's not to disqualify how you know how much of a wonderful hockey player raw slavic is like. He is he skilled. He's fast he's he's a real good player. He's like a a really. How'd you phrase. It elliott strong middle six center for the columbus blue jackets. That'll probably end up being his spot. He's a really nice player How much of that a how much him involved in the deal is the fact that he's from columbus that he's the guy were bringing someone from columbus home like not saying. This is all about marketing. Because it's not. This is hockey team. Trying to win. Games is this just a side bar that were bringing the local boy home to cement him back in the the concrete hard around him back in his hometown i think. Did you can't do that unless you really believe. The person can play. That's why i've preface it by saying this guy's a good hockey player. Yes just hearing how passionate. He is about columbus columbus columbus. Yeah and they're bringing raw slavic back. Here it's hard not to look at this right now and say that when a didn't do anything else with raw slavic because they knew that they might need him in this deal. I just wonder how much of this is trying to. And that's why. I'm asking the question about the long term relationship like right now if you're yamaoka elaine. And because that story is out there you go back to you. Know whether it's federal law for foot or Nash or narran bobrovsky. Jeff carter there. Is that history of players that one out The conversation about trying to get a long term relationship with line a and bringing the columbus kid back to columbus. How much of this is trying to change. The story of people leaving columbus well. I'm sure it's probably a lot of it bite. They've been successful at getting guys to stay to. You know nick felino stayed yup cam atkinson stayed. It's not to look at what happened with do blonde. Think about the nba right. It was a very nba move. He pulled and tortorella on friday talking about how he's given up the xs and os two brad larson and bradshaw. Because he has to manage the young players in the dressing room This situation is a younger player. Not free agency wanting out and in it falls on the player on how we handle the situation. We we've been honest. We had the meeting but then it comes down to the play. I know you're gonna ask me a lot of questions. Let me let me just explain something to what is my responsibility as a coach of this team for all players In fact i've even given most of the xs and os two lars and shaw's e because this is an all consuming job with the athletes that the different type of athletes. We have right now in you know a little bit of the prima donna Type stuff that goes on and not waiting your turn for situations on the ice not winning. Turn in the locker room. My job is in. I think it's a very important. I take very seriously is to monitor attitude effort. What type of team may dr. You Will you play under a team concept etc etc etc and. I think it's really important with today's athlete that we watched that daily. And i do. I do and spotlights on here because of the situation. That arose when camp started i. I don't think it's a really big deal As far as the spotlight. Because it doesn't change how i go about that part of it He is another player in a twenty three man roster that i have to watch. I don't care how much money and make. I don't care what you do when you were drafted. Free agent fourth line first line. It does not matter to me. We live and die on our team concept. We live and die playing as a team. I think about that. And i think about how in the nba. There's teams that players wanna play for and then everybody else battles really battles to keep great young players before they become to free agency and you know a lot of cities and markets. Don't like that. And i think it it hurts the league in many of these cases again as line and says if a player wants to go somewhere that is their right. That is their right. I don't have any problem with that. I just understand if i was a fan in some of these markets. I don't know if i'd a lot of loyalty to the league. If i knew a lot of the star players didn't feel loyalty to my city and i do think that you've got to be looking at this case in the national hockey league and saying okay. Is this a one off in this situation or are we headed this way. That's what i was gonna to ask you. Is this a blueprint for how to get out of town. Well worked right quickly too quickly. I'd like to think it's not for me. You know if. I was ever that unlike we again. I don't wanna relive this. We talked about how you know. Sometimes we really hate our bosses. But i believe you have to show up to work. I would hope i would never do that. I don't like it. But i also understand. If you're that unhappy at a place that you feel that that's your only recourse. Like i hope that never happens to me. Like look like how of the young players changed the sport. The thing that y'all talked about they're using the power of the cba young players. They have the hammer when they're uf as we have the hammer when they don't have say are bright's or free agents and he uses it and they use it and they are as you heard unapologetic about that. This generation of players has thrown that on its ear. They're getting paid more money sooner than ever. Mcdavid the guys in toronto. Aaron bled seth jones. Aaron leads deal affected. Seth jones deal all of that stuff. Jeff so now. What if the next step is okay. We're doing with james harden did. I think it's got a lot of people nervous. I'll tell you this. There's one guy. No i think he could be a really good general manager and he said to me he will never be a gm in this league. And i said really why not he said. I just don't think. I am properly equipped to deal with the young player of today. And he said look. Like i know myself. His person loves hockey. They're good at their job. They worked for a good organization and they just said. I don't think i'm wired this way. And it's a challenge. The players are more empowered in sports than they ever have been before younger. People feel more empowered with social media than they ever have before. No we're all going to have to deal with it from the winnipeg point of view. What happened with line in winnipeg and we've talked plenty about how the leadership group runs. The runs a team hard. That may rub against the player. Like patrick line a. I've never been one. That feels that hockey player should be treated the exact same way because we're all unique individuals. Everybody reacts to things differently. The one criticism of winnipeg has always been with this group that they run them hard and they expect them to do hockey things one specific way. But where did it break down. As far as you've been able to piece together between line in the winnipeg jets. I thought it was really interesting that blake wheeler. He dumped on the narrative that he wasn't a good enough captain to line. And we all know that. A year ago wheeler came out and said look i recognize. I might be too demanding on certain people. And i'm going to change. And he was having none of the he was too demanding online and he said he regrets. My regrets would be you know. Some of the frustrations that took place over the years. I've always had a real positive relationship. Without every time we've communicated it's been nothing but positive never any fighting. Never any yelling at each other more more so just a player in his mid thirties has twenty twenty vision. Looking in the past was young. I had. I certainly had a a lot of habits in things i needed to overcome in some. So maybe you know. I i could have communicated a little bit better instead of just getting frustrated. That'd be the extent of its Never once was. I hard on daddy far from it. You know if anything you know. I i was very respectable in coddled You know a teenager and a young twenty year old. So i don't regret that but i i sometimes i wish you know instead of you know i. I guess my instinct is to get frustrated in maybe say anything whereas you know maybe if i could have communicated better maybe would make things better but ultimately i i don't think our i think it's interesting that you know wheelers basically came out and said i took my medicine last year and i feel i. I made the change. I think some of it was for whatever reason when it wasn't on the power play shuffling wheeler just didn't think that they mashed are the jets. Just didn't think that they matched. I think that line. I wanted to be with him. I just don't think the jets believe worked and part of it might have been because they felt they needed depth. They can all be on one line. But i just think they felt as a group. It didn't work. And i think lonzo was unhappy with that. And the other thing is. I always think of gary roberts when it comes to this one gary roberts left calgary and decided he was going to come back and play. He wanted somewhere quiet and then when he went to toronto he said after being somewhere quiet he wanted somewhere where it mattered. A little bit more. And i think people go through different phases of that in their lives. I wonder if you know pavel berry thought. It was a fishbowl. And that was one of the reasons that he wanted to. I wonder if ages could use something a little quieter Right now to now. I have to tell you i think in this particular case line is another guy who wanted a big number again. I have no problem with that. Ask for what you want. see what you get. I do think that what line a wanted. The jets were never going to do that. And i also think that it might cause some problems. I think that if you take a look at some of those jets players. They're very well paid. But not in that stratosphere of like you know say ten or eleven million dollars what lonnie would've liked long-term and i think that the jets are worried about you know what that would do everybody. There is kind of in a group and if you know one player was higher than another that much. I think the jets were worried about that. I think they were worried about the effect on it and they made a decision saying you know white everybody was at the top here is going to be in the same kind of area and we're not going to million three million more than that. I i really think that was a factor. How much of that dynamic plays itself out on a team. We so seldom focus in on the. Who's making more and what that does to a room We wanted to pretend that things like jealousy doesn't exist Amongst hockey players who in a lotta ways measure themselves based on their compensation. Let's say line turns into a you know wins. The rocket rashard three years in a row and ripping off fifty five sixty goals a season and gets himself to that eleven million dollar stratosphere would that of upset that room that much to you think. Well i think there's a difference between you think he's going to do it in. He actually does it. I do think that if it happens when a player does it. I think that there's a certain understanding of well. He's done it like you can't just talk about it as an abstract idea right So i do think there's a difference between that and believing they're going to do it. Yes i do believe it comes up. And look like hey. I've talked about when the google got into buffalo. They had all the right intentions. I really believe it and the players admitted when they started throwing the big deals out to leno and christner hof it affected their room and we both live in toronto. You don't think that the taveras virus deal affected their everybody. They're all their negotiations it did. And that's just the way life is these athletes. they're competitive and they're competitive on the ice and they're competitive off the ice. But i think you have to get your team at the right time. Jeff that they realize they're about to win and they say okay. We're about to win here so we have to figure out a way to make this all work like the one that's gonna be interesting now is going to be vancouver so the news breaks on sunday night that elliot's patterson is going to switch agents. He's going to pat brisson and p berry who also have quinn hughes. So now the two best players on your team are going to be represented by the same guy and quinn. Hughes is at a place in the cba where he is not yet eligible for an offer sheet or arbitration. So it would seem that he does not have a ton of leverage. The johnny goudreau was in that situation. It doesn't seem that he would have a lot of leverage. But you know now all of a sudden. He's in the same stabilised patterson. Now how much does that change everything. It's a challenge. How much for people listening to the podcast right now. That might not understand that dynamic in may think that everything is done on an individual basis. You know elliot's pederson may be represented by a c. A and quinn us may be represented by ca. But that doesn't come up in the discussions with each player's specifically but does it like we've seen situations where trying to think of an obvious. One gets dropped first overall to edmund to and he's an or group client at that point and right away Another or a group client get signed in ben eager to provide some security. Let's just say around taylor hall in his rookie seasons. So i think to pretend that it doesn't happen as folly but in this situation. What's the dynamic at play here. Like look at columbus. We just talked about it Brisson had three different blue jackets. He had were an ski he jones and he had do blah. And you know one thing. I'm always careful about is saying well if you treat that guy poorly while his other client is gonna get you back with that guy. That's not always true. Like every situation is different but it can happen. It has been known to happen like in baseball. Scott boras there were teams that refuse to deal with them. They just said we're not dealing with the guy And i don't think that's a great strategy. Either i do know there been some cases where teams have said. Okay we can't deal with this one agent but we have to so. I'm not going to do it. I'm going to give the responsibility to someone else. So they have to do it around the draft. There's always stories about you know this player is not going to get drafted to this team. Because that general manager won't do business with that agent. yeah. I don't think you can live like that. We know gm's at have. Yes but you've got to hire someone else who can but you know like i remember one. Gm complaining to me about a package deal. You know the one that i know people have talked about over. The years was marion. Hossa and thomas. kopetski In chicago by the was selenium career with don baizley. Yes that was a package deal. Yes that was obviously like the thing is you just have to be aware of the dynamics. Theright i gotta tell you when when news was leaking out over the weekend that patterson was switching there. Were a lot of guys trying to find out if it was already done. Or he's actually a free agent men. The jockeying was going on like he may be playing poorly to start the year. But that doesn't mean any of these agents thought any less of him. How do you read the vancouver situations. We dovetailed to that How do you read the vancouver situation right now. I know it's torches at the castle gate. Right now pitchforks peasants. But she's not looking good for the vancouver canucks right now. No and i do think the identity of the team has changed. I think marks and tan of not only his players but as people. I think there were two people that really stabilize them when things went badly. Patterson was really tight with marks term when he would be upset or needed advice or anything like that marks term was his guy same with us and tan of. I've had a couple of teams. Tell me that town of was a good passer. And obviously he's not as dynamic as hughes who is but at least he could alleviate some of the pressure on hughes if tan have had the puck. You again up. The ice you know hughes. He's getting killed out there and without town of passing ability next to him. It's harder for them to get it up when he's getting bombarded and hit and i think this is affected their personalities and i think it's affected their play. It's an awful start and all of a sudden these games with ottawa this week. They're huge huge for vancouver. Where do you think. Edmonds in calgary and vancouver would rather be right now. The canadian division or the pacific. Please they'd rather be in the pacific. It's not even close but it's early still though there's no such thing as early jeff. It's a sprint this year. There's no early so you've you've made up your mind about all of it right now then. No i haven't mineable all. But i know the odds. I'm a gambler. I know the odds are getting really long. I'm just not that quick to dismiss it. I'm still trying in my mind not to overreact. Everything that i'm seeing in the first couple of weeks i know it's a compressed schedule and knowsley and fifty six games. I get all that. I'm still trying not to overreact right now. Jeff there's no room for you in this business. If you're not going to overreact to things. I to tell you i woke up this morning to apologies in my direct messages for from people in vancouver over all the craziness you know what for everything that vancouver's gone through like two and five just started the season goal differential of dash thirteen. They've allowed thirty three goals against so far through. All of it bore vats by some of the best hockey. We've ever seen play deadly on the power play. He's been outstanding. And you know what now what's going to happen is everyone's going to try to take that play away from them right. Of course they will. It's fine other coach said to me. He said clo- julian he prepares. They couldn't believe that play worked twice already a few more things around the nhl. I want to get to Obligatory joke We'll just get it out of the way How unfair is it. That gets two teams for toronto. Elliott san jose sharks california california's lifting and we'll see if it happens was taping it. There are reports at. The governor's gonna lift their stay at home orders. I hope that's good news for those players that they can get home in and see their families in nba at home. I mean hopefully. It's good news in general for the people of california and where everybody thinks that we're going with covert but i will be happy for those players when they get to go home. You know it. Looks pretty good. Brent burns walks scores back can talk show over. Ken and the sharks have reclaimed the lead with less than two minutes to play. Oh my goodness great players just sometimes make great plays in you have to tip your hat. What a play by brent burns. That was really nifty. Play wasn't it. And i had a lot of people sending me messages and we saw it on twitter last night to sand lake. Make this guy a winger again. Get them off of the blue line. Look at these moves. The big man in tate candidate for goal of the year like gives a beautiful to me the again. The best goal that. I've seen this year is still patrick. Line on that breakaway where he's on a breakaway and he shoots from essentially what the just underneath of the The faceoff circles. Like you have to be so flippin confident in your shot that on a breakaway. You're shooting from there. Any scores that to me is the goal of the year. It's not may not be as flash because lining just comes in and slings it in. We've seen it a million times but the the context makes it but that burns play was fantastic it was. It's not surprised that he would have the flair that he would do it By the way darren stevens. His twitter handle is sharp stats. He's got really good stuff on on little knows that you wouldn't have expected. He had a really good one the other night on their game on the twentieth he played thirty one forty seven. Which was the most in a game in sharks history by defenseman aged thirty five plus and the most of any nhl defense age thirty five plus since valentine's day two thousand fifteen which was andrei markov However what stevens did update was that the scoring grew in saint louis down knocked his ice time down fifty six seconds so thirty fifty one but i thought that was really interesting. Wouldn't adrian aucoin of had some nights like that. I don't know if he would have had them at that age. I do remember a time when he played for the islanders. It seemed like he was offered you minutes a night. Yeah i just want to go back to what i was saying earlier. I feel really disconnected with the. Us teams you. Do i go out of my way to make sure that. I watched them every single night and follow them. I agree like i try. I really do try by. I really hated last week's blog Just because i felt. I was really disconnected from the american teams. I really have to work on it. You know i was talking about it with an agent normally is teams commensal toronto at trauma based agent. And he said you know. I'd be going out for dinner. You really miss that edmonds. Toronto last wednesday. It wasn't the game. Everybody hoped it would be thanks. Dave tippett But ego to the morning skate it would be so exciting. All that's gone like it's it feels really weird jeff. I'm really. I feel really disconnected with the league and i don't like the feeling of it. I have to say okay. Let me help you with the blog this week. Then right here on the podcast. I have to american thoughts for u k new jersey devils. jack accuses. good. That's one thought and the next thought is so is thai smith ties. Miss been fantastic. He's been really good. Yeah we talked the beginning of the of the season the new jersey devils and doing it without nico. He sure when all the challenges that new jersey had with crawford retiring etcetera that goal. Sunday night. The jack you scored on ilias sarokin short side power-play goal walks in and finds like the tiniest spot to shoot at and meals it. The puck in the power play feature. He goes top shelf with a wicked shot. All kinds of time head up. Look at the screen by miles would and fraud short side upstairs to give the devils a one nothing lead first of all the confidence that take that shot is great but ty smith points and five consecutive games to start the career six points so far. I don't know we talk about the future of this team. And we talk a lot about the forwards. How about ty smith smooth-skating. We should mention ty smith. I have to tell you there were people in that organization who worried. They'd mess there because he didn't make it right away. That's one of those guys that you look at and you say listen. There's this guy played four. Plus in the handful of games. You know after his bantam but he essentially played four full years in spokane in the western hockey league and was not hurt by it at all. This is a reminder that if a player does not make it at nine nineteen nine years old or twenty years old hundred percent. It's not the end of the world same with kotkin me and montreal hundred percent. I do know there were there. Were some people there who were worried. They'd missed on him. And it just reminds you. You just take your time. Don't be afraid to take your time. Look at yeah. Everybody all flop now. He's coming back and he looks like he's a player. I'm mcdavid is line. No doesn't look as good to start the year. As i thought they would is is colorado a why just because they've lost some unlikely teams most recently the anaheim ducks on sunday evening. La's giving them a lot. They can handle. They're just a little slower out of the gate and i thought they would be. You wanna come over to The don't panic. Jeff side of things or do you want to stay on the overreact elliott side of things. I don't panic with them. I think they're still good. You know that west division that's the only division whereas we tape this podcast on monday morning. Everybody's played the same amount of games. Everybody's played six so it's all even. There's no reason to panic jeff. It's all even and you've got vegas at ten points and everybody else from five to eight. Let's talk about a pretty big piece of news around the nhl today. And that's the nhl ruling on john chaika to reset. He resigned on the twenty fourth as general manager and president of hockey operations with the arizona. Coyotes and elliott. I think we can all recall the press. Release that the coyotes puts amongst other things highlights including checa has chosen to quits alex murillo. Who's the owner of the arizona. Coyotes extended troika in two thousand nineteen Was a four year deal and then as the story goes another. Nhl team called to talk to. John are nisqually was rebuffed and the team said you couldn't talk to them. But then chaika was allowed to and maintain that it wasn't a job interview. This was the new jersey devils josh harrison. David blitzer who owned various sports teams and the position that we all were led to believe it was was to oversee other sports properties. They don't just own the devils they also in the seventy sixers crystal palace f c amongst others The coyotes felt duped They asked for a ruling and an investigation and ruling by nhl. Commissioner gary bettman and that decision came out today. Elliott's yeah. I haven't seen the full ruling from what i understand. The league has said that they will only give the ruling to the affected parties and then it released like what i would call a summary to everybody else in the league and basically it said that he's suspended through december thirty first of this year and the quote is chaika engaged in conduct. Detrimental to the league breached his obligation to the club and was properly terminated by the club. So there's a lot of questions here. I heard that he had the permission in writing. So without knowing how the commissioner ruled on that. I don't know what to say. I have to say. I'm not surprised that the league did this. I had some people who thought it was going to be longer earth but when you think about it and someone pointed out to me this morning yesterday which was sunday for the purposes. Doing this on monday morning but sunday was six months to the day. The checkered left arizona so this suspension by the time it's done is basically going to be almost eighteen months. I think it's gonna be seventeen months but you know. Some people said to me that you know. They thought that it was going to be more. That maybe batman might just say that you signed the four year deal as you point out jeff and he had to stay out for the full deal. But that's obviously not the case. Now the biggest question here is what's gonna happen with this in theory devils position as was reported last week tom fitzgerald has a four year. Deal a long term deal. I should say don't know it's four years a long term deal but he's only got a one year deal to be the general manager. You know they're going really well. They've started really nicely. They've got structure. Is you talked about. Hughes's better raf. The players have seemed to really respond to him. You know we'll see what happens here but were doing this About an hour after we got the information. I haven't seen the full ruling as of yet. I'm curious to see what it's going to mean. I'm curious what would the nhl would think when they get all of this information. Like what would from gary bettman's point of view. What would be most concerning in this entire case. The commissioner has fought hard for arizona. Okay yes so. I don't know if prejudice is the right word but he definitely has a leaning towards arizona. But whatever happened here. The league doesn't want that it wants its teams and his owners to be protected. Like who does the commissioner care more about owners or general manager owners all day long so one thing he's done here is he protected his owner like any gm who might be thinking about something like this They better have their dachshund a row. 'cause the commissioner just suspended. I think the other thing too is in some ways. It's easy because the other don't like chaika because of what happened with the testing right right so it's not like anybody is going to stand up and say this is wrong. No one's going to stand up and say i'm going to defend them because they're upset at him for the other thing again. I don't know what the ruling is here as we do this. I had heard that chaika ahead. Everything in writing. And i know it got ugly and the other one thing i always said was that he was really going to have to win to win. It was going to to be a clear cut case. Because you know the league is going to side with the owners on this one generally and all wait to see what happens but obviously he didn't convince the commissioner. I wonder what happens. John chaika out of all of this. And i understand that. He made his enemies and some people around the league weren't exactly thrilled at at how he behaved but does this. I don't know maybe radioactive is too strong a term but does does this bring into doubt even when his suspension is over his future in the nhl. I don't know i mean you know. Maybe he says enough. I don't wanna do it or maybe he comes back to and says f. you coming back or maybe he says look. I learned my lesson. And i'm coming back and i'm going to be a different person you know. He hasn't talked to anyone right right. So it's hard to know what he's thinking exactly. I mean there's no question it became harder. I think the biggest question here is the one thing we don't know is that what's new jersey thinking in all of this. Was it a done deal and was there. A promise made that when this is over you're still gonna be our guy. I want to get to something you mentioned on headlines on saturday. And that is the idea of the draft or should i say the draft to drafts next year. Well i should say everything. Here is at the provable of the nhlpa. Right and i had one agent who said to me it will be very difficult to get the players association to agree this because your asking for people to give up a year of their careers and also the relationship between the league and the players association. I don't know how good it is right now after their second run through at the cba in november and december. Look i think the teams are saying. This is unfair. This is ridiculous and you cannot allow to have a draft. A lot of prospects haven't played very much around the world. The nc double a. is still chugging. Along the usa gel is some of them are chugging along overseas summer. Playing some aren't in canada. They're not playing right now and there's real worry that they're ever going to get a chance to play again. The western hockey league is really gonna try Later in february but not every team might be. Oh oh we'll do something elliott. You're closer than this to me. I always concede that. I was just told on the weekend by one of the teams that ontario is asking for the same. It's the same thing that's going on with the h. l. They will let the age plan on -tario unless they do the nhl rules. And that's what i heard. They're asking for the oh l. teams and that's a big ask and the nhl teams are really worried about this and chris. Johnston mentioned the possibility of combines are all star camps. It's not the same and jeff. I believe that the teams are are saying the league said. Let's get the season started which they have and then we'll worry on the draft and now the teams are saying. This is unfair. We cannot make these decisions this year if we get only a minimum amount of games so some of the solutions are number one is maybe a move the draft december january so that way a player can get some time in the nhl next year. And you know you can give them their service time and things like that. That's one solution. But i know there's a couple of teams and it came up in at least two teams scouting meetings that. Why don't we have a big extravaganza a big hockey extravaganza in june. Twenty two in montreal. You do the nhl draft the. Oh too late. Lehto two or three draft and the late oh three. Oh four draft whether it's three days apart whether it's a week apart whether it's two weeks apart you have everybody in montreal and maybe what you do is you do it before. And after free agents. How do you determine order for the first one. The first one is this year's order and the second one is next year's order it's fascinating. Maybe you can do averages. I don't know but you lock it in but you know so. Basically they're brainstorming. I mean the to drafts while everybody's in the same city holy cow. What an opportunity for newsworthiness. I do understand what the agent said to me though is that i wonder if you're going to have to do something with service time to make it work for the players association more on this in the weeks to come and that does sound like an insider's dream by the way for you and guys like cj before we Split here and a one of these stuff at the you do as well a little bit later on this week or next podcast on the end whol And they're opening weekend in lake placid. There's a lot to take out of that weekend from what we saw Both on and off the ice and talk a lot about The term commissioner tyler to minia who is really cheap an interesting person in the game of hockey right now curious your thoughts on her and we have to mention that the colored the ice. We'll do that on the next podcast because that was done surely with you. We'll talk about that on the next podcast It listen it looked wonderful. I loved it. I also liked green mixing with blue in the dirt. Anyway we have a lot to talk about the end whol later on this week in our in our next podcast want to conclude beginning your thoughts and having a fodder to about george armstrong Who away one of the great leaders of the toronto maple leafs Multiple stanley cup champion cup champion as a coach memorial cup champion as well. was a longtime scout For the toronto. Maple leafs before that. The quebec nordiques actually was gorgeous. Phthalic brought him into the maple leaf mix and then he had thirty three year. Run as a head scout is stellar mended fences between george armstrong And harold ballard. When i say the name george armstrong to you elliot. What comes to your mind. Well there's a a serious thing in a fun thing the fun thing when he took his dentures out at the house hilarious. I have dentures story with him too. By the way you wanna hear it. Sure he wants because he used to live near a funeral home in lease side and he actually got a dead guys dentures and replaced johnny. Bower's dentures with this guy's dentures. One day all the guys on the team loved it johnny. Maybe not so much. Yeah well tobacco when he pushed out his dentures. I i laughed my head off. Yeah that was great. When i remember i mean obviously the captain. The last may believe team to win the stanley cup. Which was before my time but i remember punch him lack i look for i have both of his books Heaven hell and joe hockey is a battle and it's not in either of those but somewhere i know i've read you know he basically came up to the maple leaves after barack. Oh died yes true. Nineteen fifty one and they always said that even though he was new to the team at the time he played an enormous role in helping them settled down after that tragedy. And i have a book. Here it's a book of documents written in blue and white and it's basically documents about the may believes in their history. But i didn't know about this but detroit. When he was called up from the old pittsburgh hornets detroit tried to claim that there was a a mistake in the paperwork so he was actually their property now and the leaves and the red wings had to appeal to the league is to why armstrong was. There's and montreal was one of the teams that arbitrated it and obviously maple one but imagine how different it could have been if detroit which at that time was the power that was that they were there at the height of their powers with gordie howe would have gotten george armstrong The production line. Red kelly and george armstrong. God that's a that's a powerhouse. That's a complete power host the You mentioned the last captain. Nineteen sixty seven team. And i think the the one you know one of the enduring images that will all remember of george armstrong scoring the empty net goal. It's the face off. Allan stanley punch him like his. You know his defense to take faceoffs offensive zone whether it was. Tim horton whether it was prone of all like didn't matter like your defense. When you're taking draws stanley ties up and smacks the the blade of belvaux who complains about interference. It goes to read kelly to bob. Pulford the george armstrong to the empty net conversely had been pulled by toe blake. And that's gonna be worn the enduring images and that was the over the hill gang. The guy that the players that were too old to play hockey anymore. All these guys in their late thirties that were thinking about winding things down and even at the end of that season and the maple leaves kept bringing back on one year deals at the end of that. Armstrong said i'm retired. I'm no good anymore. Said i played good the last month in the playoffs. But that doesn't erase the last seven months where i was really bad but the media believe still protected him in the expansion draft and hung onto him in every year eats. I can't do this and every year. he would Until he finally did hang them up after going through that dance with the maple leafs Four or five different times. You mentioned books. I want to recommend one as well if you're interested in his era Specifically it's written by kevin shea who for my money's one of the best hockey writers ever it's called toronto. Maple leafs diary of dynasty nine hundred fifty seven to nineteen sixty seven great stories of george armstrong and great stories of that era of maple leafs times as well our our condolences to the family and the friends of george armstrong.

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MTV The Challenge RHAPup | Double Agents Episode 14 Recap

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MTV The Challenge RHAPup | Double Agents Episode 14 Recap

"Welcome back to the child's agents are up but i was fourteen. I am bronco as my cost. Your alex how are you so tired. I haven't recovered from the four and a half hour podcasts. I did twenty four hours ago. I was watching. The was the vikings worldly. She's done yeah she going to be able to do the or stream right into the challenge. The physical pain once one feels around the four hour. Mark of a podcast. Like i don't understand. How robin akiva do it. I was i mean. I think they would have gone for longer. Spoiler alert for the end of for anyone. Who doesn't know was on the survivor podcast. This week talking about one of the worst seasons of survivor as determined by the listeners of rob as podcast with my ngo g co-host winokur and with robert sister nino and they kept going those fools. I not only did. I keep saying i'm miserable. We have to end the episode. We were chatting right. We got off stream. And we were chatting and i just i self injected i hit x. And left and then texted sheriff. That was rude. I had to go. Because i say they keep talking. Irish exited the podcast. That's happened saint patrick's day. I'm out they should have been pinched. They weren't angry. How are you brian. I'm good i'm good. I was tired. It's lead for me. But here i am a little bit adrenaline on the show hot. Yeah brian why. I sympathize with josh cajun's but otherwise we're we're enjoy every and positive energy to the pond. Thought it was a pretty good episode one. Actually some interesting seizing decisions. Made interesting mistakes. made it was. It was a good episode. I thought i'm excited for you to convince me that. I mean i enjoyed myself and the elimination was one of the most. I mean we've had to back to back now. Like really great who what was going to happen. Eliminations free and so that of carried the day. When i think back of the episode but i think it was like a pretty predetermined. And you're impressed. Once they laid out with the strategy was going to be. I was like oh smart and then between eight. Gb there wasn't a lot going on right but that's us ask is usually the ap's fossil flat but there was gonna be the be good great. We love good bait. What about the mistakes. So let's get into it. Because i want to know who made mistakes. Yes so you start off. Color table is fully set for nami. I feel great with vesey. You'll great that doesn't standstill. We got durell. And like i just want to avoid elimination. That comes back and we have. There was one more kyle and i go. Oh my best friends. Leave right. Which i didn't know about either. Apparently cosmos friends with and now comes back the bio so. There's three things at the table for that playoff with entire episodes and in that way he was a little weird. Like why are we. I why is episode. Fourteen the first episode we get. We're leroy's like. I'll play a dirty game if i have to like. Did anybody doubts that leroy surviving this like leary hasn't been in jeopardy. Since he had to get a skull and now like the teams have dwindled to teams. That basically. he's good with almost everyone so it was just i agree. It was a lot of good sort of foreshadowing and good story arc from beginning but it just felt late in the game. To get that confessional. I'm an they've come. After are the deficit that the beginning of the season like. I'm here to play. I'm not here to make like he. He's laying that groundwork. This doesn't come out of nowhere to be cut throat when it comes down to. I think kind of said that throughout the year. Yeah yeah and just. Maybe this definitely didn't happen. This week is more just like. Why are we watching. I liked that. Niessen kyle have like more than maybe i expected to. You just like how upfront both of them are to each other like there's no fake bullshit of like wanted you back like i think spoiler going to say about cd later. I've talked so much trash about. You ended nieces terrible gassing each other inside or world each other but we left there will very good sports either which which we saw a little bit carryover from from last week he saw kyle he. He's just he's just a positive person even like a negative situation. He's just a positive person. And i totally removed him now from the car in bali stuff like a. He's is totally president. Bank type is. That was a miserable situation for him. Now he's firmly like a very entertaining. Brisson show yeah. I think that's a great point. We maybe you. And i have been low on him or like forgotten about him uncertain podcasts. Because we're just so traumatized from his first couple of seasons and now it is nice to see him sort of break out of that and maybe hopefully will remember him next season. When we're talking these he's been with us migrated this. I think last season grades. She's been top notch. The jim carey. We talked about. Are you talked about leering. Kyle's friendship being sort of our revelation. We also get a scene with korean and nissan. Now that's not news to us right. I think we talked about that last week. Like a niece and quarrier good friends would a niece. Pick him to meet her partner but like no because she doesn't have a skull and it's very interesting to see corey go over and do sort of this pre work both with durrell only right and with nisha to try to be the house vote and takes it. Surprisingly well the quarries basically saying. I want to go in against your partner especially in a week where it could very easily have been A girl's weekly. It could have been anyone like there was no reason to think of one hundred percent had to be as week was up in the air so very surprising that isa would be so willing to. Yeah sure if it comes down to it. I'll i'll make that happen for you. Notice respect too big t. But i do think it's possible that the house vote and then quarries asking her fine. I know i'd be going against big t. And i feel confident whereas if like a niece and kyle where the house vote or someone else's house vote someone could still i think she's expecting to be sort of targeted by the house regardless as the quote weakest team. So maybe she's like this. Maybe isn't that bad of an option to be okay with it. Here is always better just to say yes in these situations because again we've seen of utah where i didn't think the empower anyway surprising that they turned out to be. But this is a situation where you can just say. Yes not really the task that check. Then they didn't have the cash it. But i think they would have to know and it's a good. It's a good point but also like she's close enough with corey where she could. Maybe try to pull like you can't put me at like Come on like one about anybody else. Whatever but as lira andrew point out all becomes a moot point. Because it's too early. Maybe it'd be myth. Yeah i mean. They could've announced who knows what the could have said this clearly. Double emission with anthony and then kitchen the be the house vote is meaningless so it was early. Start laying the groundwork. Let's talk about the challenge. Because i i like to. This challenge is straightforward. But i thought it was beautiful. Crystal clear water was beautiful sight. It was called undercover. They laid it out that you have to swim down on the freezing cold. Water collects six rings swimming back and solve a puzzle the way they set it up there were like you can't like if you go up to breathe. You're out you're disqualified. I knew maybe i'm stupid. I do realize they would have scuba equipment. The other day literally just have older breath. That's how they had to do. The child was extremely unclear. Either say in my notes d. queued for breathing new on but yeah. They had this like it wasn't quite scuba equipment like an air tank. It was like if we have divers in the audience. Let us know but like it seemed to be some sort of tube where it's like in your mouth and it filters air from the water like didn't look like a typical you you wouldn't have that level maybe you would but i don't think so. Many people would have that level of anxiety if you had like a full tank. They clearly didn't have that kind of thing. More like snorkeling level equipment. But even those. I tried doing that. I'm not go with that type of the water goes in it. Goes out my ears by knows disaster. So i've on the surface for snorkeling. Yeah you can think. But even that i screw up. I'm not good underwater. Just being the waves. I'm only swam. I also am not good under water. But i am like decent with a breathing apparatus. I'm bad with holding my breath. But i you know kudos to them because it did look like it would be scary like it was certainly not an apparatus anyone would be familiar with and so if you have watering zaidi. Generally you know it's hard but i did love just the comedy of seeing them in the scuba steve. Al fits leroy says he. What is he saying. Looks like i don't know he looks like a little pinhead The montage of knowing what a tectonic plate was and honestly. I'm not even sure how i would describe to. I thought it just like rocks. I wouldn't know how to describe tectonic plates. If i'm not mistaken when they like rub against each other 'cause like earthquakes anomalies or like natural disasters the only thing i connect with tectonic plates. I wasn't going to tell the story but since we're here I had a friend either middle school early high school where we had a standardized tests that was like being tested on us so it wasn't going to be used for anything and there was a science portion where you had to like. Write a short answer essay. That was like okay. These tectonic plates are going to basically move against each other. What's going to happen. And he wrote the real answer like this could happen. This nationalist has an he wrote. None of which would be as distract a destructive as godzilla tearing apart the city. See figure and then he drew figure like a monster crushing buildings and so. I only think of him. When i see this. So if you're out there you know who you are a story so directly that's beautiful as a almost thirty year old if you listen to ngo jazz a thirty year old because i round up. It doesn't hit as hard but when you were in eighth grade. That's the funniest thing anyone's ever done. Absolu- messing up on essays. The funniest thing in the world so for eighth grade listeners. Out there i hope you couldn't story he'll pretty. I gotta think tesla year on loss like the psychological experiments like see what you would do with s is nice it was just like what will the results be like. It's like what can we introduced this as part of our state wide standardized tests. I don't know man. And i only remember the monster destroying the i don't remember like the per days or the content or like checked it out on me so we have a for this house tile musical i they knew very well seemingly. It's always hard to judge exactly what they do but they collect all the pieces of the puzzle the code. They're often line for a second. Like this is the first time this season and correct me. If i'm wrong dare that we saw them with this briefcase. Files to make the order of the challenge. Yes yes we have. I totally forgot about this. This was like this used to be a rule on every episode was like this huge art of a the order was always the you know a big test case on. Cousy reliance we really going after. This was a huge thing. I completely forgot about it. So they here. It's like sure this is the first time all season they did. It feel like they've done stuff with orders. Before i don't know i guess is the first time it's like impacted the show where people were pissed because of the order. I guess never showed only relevance before. They must have been doing this. Yeah i agree. It must be that. This is the first time it's even remotely played a factor but it stinks a little. Because it just shows how unsuccessful the season's been in terms of like such dominant align and this happens it's okay but like the alliances were so dominant. The power structure was so clear that it probably wasn't even interesting if we were to go back and look at what the orders been it probably. Oh yeah like okay like msci and live gopher like whatever whoever's right right right yeah that's us. A libra has them go. I i guess the pushback should have been corrigo. I i first or second as kyle and around the bottom. So i don't know what this would approve thinking back to some of the challenges that stand out like the one where they had to dig on a line. That's not an order. The the ones that have order are like the ones. You can't watch where it's like. Who can fly that drone. But it's like when they're doing in two heats or they're holding depart up big t t one. They have trivia which wasn't an order. May maybe they made the order for that. So maybe there weren't that many things where it would even matter. Don't care this. This was a very big thing it was it was fun to see it play out. Og when a present storylines. I do love. Big t. just like her grudge -bility where she's just like. I'm actually finally having fun. Corey so much better than listens to me. And then they both like deep you kids but it didn't look like big t also came up. Yeah well big deal so is able to be dropped in the water further laws which she was earning owed much closer to the risk of amber. Durell also kind of suck and i think this is the first time we get derailed discussing like maybe i need to switch my partner which like hello. Yeah will you had the chance bro. What happened by the episode was like screw our. I can't wait to leave catholic pitcher. I can't new partner really revolution real quick and then jumped on it not to like really jump out of control here. But if if he's sticks amber be with leroy maybe he's a become a much more attractive pair to be calling down right like part of attractive about calling out. Durrell is that he's got the weakest partner out of the women. Oh absolutely and just the way. I mean obviously will get more but this episode very much in particular really signified. How smarter what's for this whole season for leroy in camden separate the fact that they each have their tentacles in someone like their partner but then also leroy has naughty like right in his corners. They have control of it just by being separate and really jumping ahead. Giral leaders go the seasons much harder than it used to be. And i think part of that is like an understanding of the strategy like he like a needs to put herself in a good spot to nocco in tonight by not picking corey to route did not put himself in a good spot by staying with his partner. There were he was sort of one step behind. he should have been. You know made that extra push the harder part is not just a physical but understand the sultan new social dynamics of this crew people for sure i have to say festival kicking noni and ruining her and then she goes up him adding her drowning. Ashdown is like i love this. Like ogre fassi terrible working with people. I love that he's getting a. Hey i'll i'll she drought. Cashiers branches come on dottie. Let's get this. Let's try to get this to and he's like sorry. You can't trout when i say electrical drought here. I think i'm just mad. If he's still over the tory stuff like anticipating how the reaons gonna make me so like. I just wasn't really feeling for naughty. And i was like as he sucks you campaign to get this partner and now you're taking her in the face like usa as one of the biggest resident corey stands where you at all familiar with this traumatic incident from his childhood that he can't underwater. I wasn't but again we talk about synergy. Hair mullen phillips. Actually now that i am in four and a half hours. We didn't even talk about this on the podcast. But philip shirt shepherd sits out because he got trapped under appear in a pond while he was swimming. And you better believe. I was shocked when that's during line comes up on the talent in the same way. I can't believe we didn't talk about that covered here here. We to other flow or whatever is crazy but this is gore's like six seven seasons something like that. I'm sure order challenges many times and for whatever reason this is the one that really triggered that he can't crazy stories the drown him. Jesus brown's story you need more and simultaneously less information saying. I don't want to know any more about that. Story as it stands is certainly insufficient. Now that i've heard more. But yeah. No i didn't know that story. Maybe true t. Mom heads no but i also think like do we see and i'd be furiously asked me this but like i'll pose it as question. I don't personally recall a lot of hold your breath kind of challenges right. It's like that's sort of more of a survivor thing whereas this is more swimming boating. Long distance endurance do. I don't feel like this seemed very specific. Like you. Dive down deep. And you're gonna be holding your breath and that's the anxiety. Yeah yeah man. I'm sure that that must be the case but it was just weird just happened mccoy's not as for a season. Just you would think this type of issue would have popped up point along the way trump's career but he has so much more to gaze. Brian you're only scratching the surface with the challenge. Our eighteen cam whatever they do fine but but shreds of their partnership now really working well together. I do want to say. I think there are. I was pounding team row drama and the importance of around the beginning. I do think there is something to new teams sort of having this like namen lolo problem. Where like. You didn't have the first few weeks where you weren't going to get voted in to work out the kinks. Like even leroy in cat and casey look how far they've come from like we don't talk to each other but we just randomly perform well to. They've built trust. They built loyalty built friendship and they perform like a well oiled machine. I think cam and leroy cameron. Ntt being to behemoth if they had six weeks to work this out would have already found. Maybe their natural groove as a partnership. So i do think there's a disadvantage as as he talks about. Maybe i shouldn't have picked. Because i have no team chemistry with him a late. Payer can't really work that out right. I think there is something there and also party they would be able to click automatically of some partners Because eighteen cam are pretty similar personality wise in their conflict house and if they are both very puzzle people are a type two zero that if they can if they had more time to work it out they probably close but because like you said after just jump in right away and work at eight does make it more challenging where there's other teams that cost them together and they do fine so very situation by situation base. It's it's almost like kyle was the perfect partner for cam. Even if like we didn't know it they didn't know it. Whatever like early on when they put them together because high oh can execute heil isn't kyle needs to be reined in sort of the brains of the operation. He has great ideas. He's got the more fun ideas but he needs to be sort of reined in and is willing to follow a leader and leader was really prefers to like you see cam to beat clean it all. You know. i'll i'll be right next right exactly one that just be next again or are into. Let's talk about. I mean okay. So they end up anita and kyle end up. Winning did get you. This is the first time. I think i actually got boo. I fell for it going to commercial. That was just going to be leroy cam. One of them winning. That was going to take out by. Tj listing out Two or three teams that completed. I wonder if they all knew who did. It wouldn't be able to see puzzled. They're all doing so. I don't know if they all knew. How many teams actually finished it. But it was a good vacated the audience that you just listed the to them. Because i mean it seemed like kyle struggled with the puzzle. They can figure it out. Obviously editing apartment. That's how they presented to us. It worked out well. But let's talk about the strategy that you and i were both impressed by of who's actually going to be the houseboat this week. Yes there was actually a lot of good creative thinking like to tat where it was clear that corey amputee were going most likely going to go in but the house quickly figured out that if they do it for themselves. It opens everyone up to be voted in by kyle. And he's obviously with kyle up. There was see loved acting out of engines. They don't know who buy target so they're like well. Let's just take matters into their own hands and throw arab under the bus. I mean i don't wanna do. I have to. What was tit for tat. He's there we'll talk saints okay. I was like nothing's coming out. Now there's something expression bear. I just can't think of it like potentially capable the clouds. It's segments. Brian misuses common. He's i think people are studying. Language is to communicate though. But i bet that's all that matters literally everything else you said was a thousand percent spot so like certainly you're saying it's like i want easy. How was the show even started to move on. I was like no. But i have. I have to ask for you to insure with that. Poor cuba has to deal with me. Just getting i go. Because i know i can get them from the editing room for the be it okay talking about. Oh yeah no. It's also a guarantee because it's putting it's putting an eastern kyle in this on this part because again it's unclear if they'd even be allowed to put in someone else with the school and we can talk about who the other options might have been. But it's basically saying kay we put in durrell and we control that person's going against because you'd have to be a massive d the not putting corey or or maybe like the show wouldn't even let you because no one would get us all right so you actually. The power couple becomes neutered by having done this so it was very impressive once they started talking about it but then it was a lot of wasted time until we got the deliberation because it became very clear it was going to be directed. It was a waste of time. But i did. I was interesting. It was interesting to see how each person contemplate apple's so word that the person i thought saying a waste of time as an all i do is waste. My i did a four hour. Podcast on seasons either. Two thousand thirteen i do. That's not a waste of time. So the stick at those babe which didn't come back to bite roy but the fact that this is the type of mistake that libra makes like three years ago. And there's a road vote out and all of a sudden we were is getting vote into a nation he tells durell like i'm going to follow like the votes coming around to. You wanna do it just you know. I'm gonna go on and do what you don't do that. they like. You're so we were on your so close so close to the end. I was so worried as the bynum and disability or so. The only i was just super impressed in this scene with durrell who does not skip a beat who seemingly believed that. It would be corey so like he wasn't necessarily prepared for to be him at this point and he's just like well great. What a great opportunity for me to take your partner. That's his only move. There is to threaten to take casey if he wins and maybe there will be a switch made as far as wooded bite lira. I see what you're saying and now that you've said it's very leroy. But i just think the way this game is set up now look. There's nothing that could be done. That leroy could f- that up. You know like durell wasn't gonna vote for himself anyway. No but i dunno maybe durell goes to see t as i got. We got an ocp's with can but you can you can vote in the and make a move there at the split up that situation just to get some. There was a way that things could have just backfired. Leroy they would have been blindsided throughout the route would have been no idea that he would have voted corey and they would have had the votes durell relatives even found out that leroy's behind it because he's not gonna see the votes so there was just i know the problem with the wants to be the cutthroat diabetes. Also like such a nice guy goes wants to be a friend to derail talent like he just. He can't shake that sometimes. Give him a little credit. Maybe he did think. Like if i give him the tip off to be prepared. He won't wanna take my partner. He won't be mad at me next round. You're right like the risk. Might not be worth the reward. Although i hesitate to think that this group would turn on leroy which is a flaw of the season on a normal season. I totally agree. But it's like they're show entrenched. It's like nobody's better move. Would be to turn on lee right. Yup totally agree about the way he reacted was so perfect. And that's why it's so fun to have these different types of people. This was you in definitely spot. He's trying to block the house in squirming stuff. Durell does the all right then. I'm gonna take apart expect pseudo pseudo threat him but not really. Throwing a matter of fact traumas great. I'm gonna take ac s perfect under the law that you have these types of different people that can make different types of moves that all exactly what you would expect. There was so much power and hostility. Being exchanged between this conversation between two friends and it wasn't at all awkward to watch or mean-spirited or upsetting. It was just like cool and fun to watch and bring her out because he's playing mind. Oh you wanna play my. I'll go the next step without giving beat no problem. And he's keeping my girl. I love like i'm not an idiot. Look how she performed support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. 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The fact that she was so willing just to take the for the gas. That's another reason why she hasn't won so long because doesn't have that killer instinct to make the big movements wants now thinks. She made the wrong but she could have made the wrong move. By letting the house take over. Yeah i mean. I'm torn right. Because kyle exist. The entertainment and their deliberations like let's against her being credible as fast against round. Whatever he's keeping this part of the show alive right by even energy. I don't think for one second. He actually is planning to do that. But why not vote in here. I guess because you don't have the clearance and it's a girls day but again like these people and this is why i think the skulls thing is dead like it's very frustrating to me. I don't wanna see schools anymore. I think we will continue to see them but it doesn't work because people are not trying to get threats out of the house. They are afraid of losing their school. Or what. I don't know but they are not considering who they don't want to run against in the final there just like i'm happy to go to the end with feci and ct leroy. And that's insane. I i thought they really should animals here but the fact that they were one hundred be thrown david. No one in this house. That would've been voting with them. I think they've really needed ally for next week. Especially isa because i able to beat big Wanna wanna brisket so now. At least they have an ally if they don't win the thousand miles of corey with challenge like he's not going to you. Think not turn around and say kyle and any such negativity nother team on your side that will go with you wear before. They screw over corey here. And they voted in leroy and casey into this nation. Now they have no one going to next week and they are one hundred percent going in unless they win up. I mean i don't think it's. I don't think it's a conclusion foregone conclusion that corey loses to those guys like i think. I also think like they've done favors. They basically communicated to you in the order that you would have gone. I in and so it's like i mean you're you're totally right. I just don't see a world where it's not eighty to ninety percent likely that a nissan festival going in regardless and to me. I want to keep you know offensive. Derogatory moved like honey this episode. I if i'm kyle. I wanna keep durell and corey. My best shot of having both of them stay because i would rather go against durell and or corey than vesey and seat or ct or leeway. I was will to jump into. The performance was very surprised. I don't know if it was his performance. Surprising your corey's performance rasi. But i mean i would have thought durrell would have been very chance to win a five. Maybe he still would've been but how we look here. I mean this was racially embarrassing by him. Impressive corey yeah. I mean i do. How old is around. I'm you've got to be closing in on forty if he's not right and see if i can do my see key and my e broken so it's very hard to sorelle age challenge without an ian without those are tough kids the loose you get. He's forty one. and how old is cory ages disrespected. Arou- correy's got be in his twenties right so corey twenty nine against them lose forty one thirty third and twenty nine at the time of filming like it's just a foot race here right. It's not right puzzles. It's not strategy. It's not enduring. It's literally just pretty much short foot race and cory's fast and derails forty one. Of course i mean. I think corey could've taken out and especially you. You come and you see the child and you know what this is because we've seen it four times three times now. So tuesday sets it up. Like what are you saying. They doubled the length and triple the resistance. Like i don't know what they did but this was i mean it was. It was only interesting because of how oppressive it was from oriented. This was the judas for the third time. This is why we're doing this for third time. This feels a little excessive. I don't disagree. I'm glad kind of went quick and that it didn't come down to the like digging into it. I'm glad that it was just a pure race because it was at least something different from the last time. It's been run but okay so you think they shouldn't have put in. I'm just like this point normal season. We'd be looking to see who we could. We'd want to big dogs to go down. We'd want to put and against cory because we want to take the shot at fancy leaving or we'd want to take the i just don't understand these complacent people happy to go to the end against the best teams in the house. Yes i think fussy especially because you know how fast he was with me. I thought dow would have been if they were gonna vote any went in. I thought that would have been the most likely one that they would have done it. Instead of or but again. I think they i think they if they didn't vote oriented and they voted infacy. Unfussy smokes durell. Kylie's these are just out. There just screwed for next week. And obviously kyle's fine because it's almost one hundred isn't going to be a girls day but bernie says she's gonna go imos other percents Probably anyway but it's going to be right but let's say if it's like the you know on the jumping from pole to pole and the puzzle Nazis i mean. She's a wall layups in night. The challenge world. He's a stronger lineup. That she's been fairly impressive lately Elimination she should be an isa. If it's an endurance typing puzzle type thing for sure. They wanna make the final and they end their salt lake. If you look at the connection of we basically draw straight line for like cds partners with cam camps connected to leroy we are connected to casey who's connected to fussy fastest partners ninety nine isa's best friend. Kyle's loves like you know they're basically all not wanting to turn on each other. Which is makes it even more annoying but the reality is is if you don't wanna see them in elimination and you sure as hell don't want to see him in a final notice go set is different. But if i'm lisa my best shot at advancing in the final is to get fancy noni or c. t. and cam one of them weakened stat if it means. I have to go against big t next week. Then i'd rather take that chance against big t then have to face one of these teams. That are better in the final. Where's you could keep durrell an amber and together. I don't know why let give either. Durell the opportunity to upgrade or quit or corey stays so. I think it's not. I think they're out to lunch either way. I totally take your point. That's something i wasn't thinking about. At least quarries and ally if you give him his best shot but i don't know it just frustrating me as the season overall maybe in this particular situation it was the right move. But it's like people do not seem to give a shit about it seems like leroy's plan is to run against cab and fussy noni and maybe he's just like those are my girls so it's they at least they'll beat me if someone beats me but it's frustrating as in viewer it is. I mean if we were actually runs this with casey. I would put. I think he would be no. I'm fine going against any of these players. Getting i can do it anyway and rather not so my friends out in the process. Sure but it's i'm shocked. Well we're jumping ahead. let's jump into like obviously. Yeah all right so like is the right choice for corey or cam getting snatched up every which way but back people are sleeping on. Casey are nothing. People are are a on gays. And i i think it would have been a much better either. I think corey in case. You would've been a fantastic team together even more so than going kim. I don't know. I think we've seen cases like casey i know she she's she got lost in the final. Or that's basically why. I was going against jimmy. Like she was right there with her for a lot of the stretch. And that's like a case. I think she's just sometimes gets lost from the fans because she doesn't show like do much unscreened besson's come forget about or too. She's quiet she's to herself she's not causing situations. You cam. she is more like interface with how good she is in. Casey just flies by think people. Don't forget it but hotter. Yeah i mean. I do wonder if it's like cams been stolen so frequently so you're not upsetting. You're not really making any enemies c. T. can't really be mad. Whereas like in cameron leroy are on you. If you're taking. Casey maybe that's part of it but yeah i think it's a definite combination between general sleeping on her. Also cam promote yourself and good for cam but cams out here telling everyone cheese killa. And she's the best and that works and she is great like when she backs it up and everybody else wants the hottest commodity. But i think casey would have been a better picture. Gm monster brandon. That's for sure. What do you think of cam and corey. As opposed to and c. t. As i think. I think it would be better with corey. I do say it just seemed like. There's a a little bit of a taipei battle between tam and t. That they each want the each warmly being the man power dynamic. I think corey would be as more late. That kyle is where he can let thrive a little bit more without his ego. Getting in the way that. I think cam at the very least is flattered. And she shows grace when she goes to every pick but she looks more excited this time then when cd picked her especially when you know quickness is definitely not not strength. And correy's got tb probably an endurance and speed cameras anita puzzle person or the experience because she's strategizing through everything so i think they're more complementary pair like you're saying do you think they will last. How many more options are there. Even the switch. That's there's not really 'cause not going to be an option. So i guess there could be but i think they're going to last. I think they'll make well. Let's just one more out when we get the follow. But i think they'll stick out isn't corey's a low likelihood big t t c t. I think finally handles the semi well where he basically says. If you'll have me i'd love to be your partner again. Sort of giving her agency even though she doesn't really have any especially when she's gonna wanna go in and get her skull and if you didn't pick her she'd be a rogue agent which i don't know how they were candle. That would be great but big t did seem to corey so big. T somehow wins the elimination next week. We'll she switch. Yeah it was funny though that we just just off the heels of someone leaving big t four cam and here we are again was happening so much less fan at this tastes from social media. Which gordon much better. But um yeah. I don't know. I don't know what big was roy. Agent i guess would have found that a skull going against each other but i think big teensy t bobby. I mean about for all circle. That'd be crazy if they up now coming back together and williams whole thing lock shop the problem here though for big t is that she's not going to have the option to go against ambi. Not that again to her credit like corey had to really convince her she didn't really want to portray her friends. She's got some loyalty there. But i mean she's i mean my guess is that she'd to be calling out ninety probably i mean i don't think she'll really sway. It'll be on her to the side who those in the house side for her. But i think if. I think she had the pick to probably rather then. I'm definitely not casey your town i mean so that then goes to show like it. Okay so of corey. Do you think a nieces going in against big t in less corey but now that it's corey and cam. Is she going to let him put not in over an isa like i almost think oriole get bulldozed by cam. Yeah i probably won't do. The same thing will go now. Will they make They're gonna make the winter both demand and then they'll take troll Kylie's a lose. I think they'll be a house. Vote and then will be voted in by the power team all right. I think that i'm perusing question. Sorry different thank you for everyone who submitted questions. We didn't have time to run through them. Reaction i've know ever. I know they were together all season. But she was like a sterling cry withdrawals like she took it harder than he certainly did and like almost any partner. All season did and this was the best case scenario forever like i know she a partner and durrell but if drought wins here. She's you know she's gonna be going into week and now she's skates free. The girls week where she would have been a very likely target. It is pretty crazy. When i saw that reaction. It's like she's like. I have to do this for sale. And it's like. I don't know if that makes her feel any better. Ever w yeah. I'm sorry is there anyone. This aquarium ryan. Is there anyone you wanted to see in the final more than durell. I know it's leroy season to win but durrell game play this episode shows right. He's an all time great. And i can't help but wonder if we were i could have beaten him in the final shaking out. We have leroy corey and nani on three different teams and those three are probably more popular people that people wanna see win their first time so it shipping up pretty well that we're going to get a a fan favorite at the first one. Tom palmer says with amber rogue cam. Casey having each other's back street anything's gonna win. Inevitable elise at least a big t versus a isa elimination. We speculated tend to be think big. T what you're putting odds on it. What are the odds are so just go. Knowledge of what the elimination is put an isa probably like i would say minus two hundred. Plus one fifty. I don't know what that means. Give me percentages. Probably sixty six percent sixty five percent. Wow i'm i'm i'm putting. What is it like sixty six to win. One hundred that work taking that bet. I'm playing a lotta money on it. I got an eighty percent chance at least to be in any given the location. I think as long as it's not albright they'd be got a chance woods that we've seen. I think she can run around for my anything except for her role. Yeah maybe she can do the ropes better. The one that leroy seems especially. Yeah the one that you're jumping on the platforms and you know they've done a few different times. But i mean i is the reasoning. That bt can't do that again. God in the one. The devon was in and the swinging with the rings and the puzzle. Niece has got the when she one where. You're throwing the medicine balls. The wall nieces got all of the physical ones. We've seen where you've got to get the ring on the post whenever we've done the throwing the balls at the wall a while right so i guess that could be but she also really struggle development. She almost came back and when she had a huge lead. She was struggling a. I'm not saying she crushed it. I'm saying i think she'd beats big t. No question is interesting living workout pretty well. Assuming goes the way. This is going to work pretty well for that. I guess you'll probably end up with an isa then. Theoretically 'cause i mean he's going to have upgraded partner assuming big he loses. It's not going to be ever that non zero chance at nissan picks vesey what might end up with ct. I'm saying i think there's a better chance with right. Yeah yeah yes. That's true yeah. Libya has not complaining. But how did they get away with using almost exclusively eighties music. All season is a subtle way of dating viewers of the challenge. I guess so. I guess oh i remember. I remember like lassie. It did movies as the episode. Titles have you been catching with the episode. Names been zayed theme with them. Wasn't there one that was like the spy who loved fussier something. That was one of them. Recently i forget what this episode was. Let's see shook ones. Or i might just be making that up on toy. Making that up is called the best of enemies. I don't know where i got shook one. Like the ones the vultures episodes. They're recap the challenge Out shook once the best called the best of energies. i'm crying. I was like amish on that article. Titles not the full article people okay. I think we covered a lot of what you guys wrote in about. Thank you sorry we almost never don't get through the questions but you know happens all right. Let's get you the these social media a lot of marriages happening zach. Jenna got married over the weekend. And also ashley from he dated. She was on the real world with jamie thinks. She was on a challenge. If i'm not mistaken and she dated zack. And so somebody had a great tweet. That was like ashley got married this weekend. Just not to each other. Which is hilarious. So hardy mazal tov. Going out to the challengers another hardy mazal tov going out to kyle christie who apparently in a very long term girlfriend and i guess the scalise said is the reason that he was like. I definitely didn't hook up with mel last season. He tweeted little bit of you in a little bit me. That's what it takes to make family red heart emoji. I promise you kid you're going to have one hell of a life baby. Christie do september razzle-dazzle emoji red heart emoji. Kyle at what point. We're gonna have like parents first. Non parents as a scene for a season. Yeah it's interesting. I think already sort of is dead. Kyle the know like just like i don't know that he's going to change that much. It's not like he needs his temper. He's sort of god dad energy now. Wc the cool. Down the way corey see also thanks to megan elizabeth who compiled these devon walker. Thought of you brian. When i saw this tweet can we take a moment to appreciate. How many quote. I'm doing this for my family moments. We're gonna have on challenge. All i'm ed here for and i don't think brian is gonna be a lot of love for the kids. And then bt just spreading positivity thank you to whoever makes it the challenges this week swimming between tectonic plates or something. Those incredible experiences when tj tollbooths. A guys day and she's like walking off was like what. Am i ever going to get my chance to get the gold salt. Yeah big t. She always comes one hundred percent heart energy. Gotta love it great send-off there from tj. I'll see you on the. Oh jeez oh yeah. That was interesting though he was like. I like consummate. Professional is hilarious. Matt but does not say i am sure we'll see in the future and comparable see in the future. Hope to see in the future. Just like take care of yourself. As that he's able to take care of yourself was a very good. Sam is it was. It was very positive. Okay you do drinking game. Nope we got twenty for the week Seven subtitles speaking of Three teams the One person eating four times someone sleeping in bed one partner switch three amber us and one mispronouncing a word amberg not being pronounced tectonic. Great okay do you have anything to add. I don't really have anything to add this week. So i know we. We have cars switch. But just in case of i'll just temporarily at this for the final If you if there are if you switch apartment during the final should add that. I also has an here for one and then no it wasn't it's said did. I'm sorry. did kyle count preview for next week where we're leroy says it's really who wants it. More he also in there was a number of this cows teeth he just had every confessional number four okay. Thank you to our ds. Stuart on my god. I just bring kate sorry. That was so inappropriate. My brain work very late. I you know what i started thinking. About how funny it is. There's a stewart and then matt stewart's last name is stuart and then i got carried away. Thank you. I'm so sorry i have. This fake feud going with kate. Because i made a joke once that she was rooting against us. And then now. Like i this brain fart in so. I'm sure i'll hear about it this week but i deserve it. I should hear about it. Okay thank you leo. More real than some rivals. Yeah well no. We're not i'm appreciative. I'm just trying to dig myself out of the whole here. But not in the because i lied now my lead is restored because matt our no sorry. My individual lead because matt went from call. Don't worry about it now. Twelve to eleven to do some quick math. what are the what are teams scores. We intellectually nineteen one. Let's scally and scalia. Mouse got a good chance. Xp because i got big t the elimination next week feeling good and nieces probably gonna win or in. Good shape yeah. I would've loved to lose ambi this week. But i guess you lose your so net net for the team. I stay twelve matt's at eleven. Scalise said hall tree down from nine and brian. Come up at six. You see how reception is i seven next week on the trending up drumming up. Yep stewart's in a very optimistic message. That brian's been taking point cements cowie but again and we love the the dvd's and we hope to do this again next season because we have a lot of improvements. We want to be making on the scoring system. Not because of them. Just we've made it interesting accidentally but we'll be better next year. I mean as we always off debate. It might just forget to but either way jeeze april first especially announced. I don't think we have a date last time. So april i. You didn't maybe next week. We'll talk about the cast just as so. I think the plan is brandon. I decided five seconds before getting on the pod is that we will look. We kept this to a nice tight our supposed and a half. We will tack on challenge. Og coverage to the end of our regular scheduled podcast. And maybe we'll put in the show notes when that starts if people just want to be listening to that And then we will just continue weekly pod once the overlap ends and continue to cover. Just the challenge. Oh jeeze imagine how tired we are. I'm excited i'm excited tired. We are not tired. We are isn't that you're going to finish that magical tar and we are tit for talk. I'm not sure he can't convert. Okay what is nine hundred ninety seven twelve so thank you to carly izzy who left her review because she remembers the cap rap. We got quite a few people say they remember that we used to have an honest shit shell can. I'm not and i'm so tone deaf. I can't do it okay. Shawnee from cet. The dev podcast. I hold us a compliment. Lynn's four two three five and megs for days. Thanks so much people. Who've you've really been just like common consistent with the five star reviews. We haven't even really been about it as much as we are. But i just want you to know. I'm i am about it. We are about it. We love it and you've been getting us through the season and we appreciate it. We're observing you observing us a good great work out there so if you wanna tell us to observe you observing us you can go to rob his website dot com slash challenge. I tunes i tell rob in so plugging that you should check out the ridiculous recap and don't worry if you've never seen care mullen never seen survivor or don't like you don't have to have any familiarity with it because we spent four and a half hours. Every single overflow about one outlets. Well that i gave you here. I can't give it on one place you know. I was the bonus. dvd covers. You can go to the website dot com to find. That and i raised with rob that our website is so outdated and he was like do. I need to change it to rob zoa dot com slash challenge apple podcasts. But i was like you know. He's kidding but if he did change it. What are the chances that we'd ever get it right ever zero. Select challenge slash. I apple apple. I tunes it'd be would be combining it was going to be saying we'd take a million times seven years. We had this website. We were even saying it for the like a staple. That's it you could check out. The we skipped new girl guy this week because we gave you four and a half hours of other content. And we'll be back next week at anchor dot. fm slash. new girl will guy talking sort of about the show new girl. Follow me at the brian with an i underscore who you wanna talk about that. Actually like it's getting ridiculous. How many people like brian. Kelly stopped letting you know. Brian when they tags scali to team. Yeah tell brian second i love i love please tag them and i love the. It's so funny okay. Call interesting the whole bit. We've been doing coincidence. Barfield the baby. Brian cohen no-one cold screenplay brian. What is the problem and brian common name. It's on occurred. Names are like so unique. That must be this person. Who else can we mean bryant. Imagine how tired we're no. I mean honestly were fathered that you'd even think to tweet someone close to adjacent to us. So whatever success in like i don't get any tweets thinking that op scally so the. Why can't people think that. I'm scally that you know. He's on temptation island. Podcast this week gets tweet me softer scalise. That i said scalia just not getting tweets or does he have a better brand question. I guess good brand because of how. Good the brian lockdown. He's got the brain premier violence. He the first. I guess so. But maybe he scali. Maybe you're getting. The tweets scholar these the only tweets. You get you get any tweets directed to you or they all like the misdirecting where we're at the same address but like difference does all right. Well you know if ryan likes it then keeling do it's a sterile talk eight now stuffing yeah just send them to scalise some the may otherwise. 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A Gigantic Jet From the Early Universe

SpaceTime with Stuart Gary

26:24 min | Last month

A Gigantic Jet From the Early Universe

"I love this podcast. Support this show through the acoss supportively. Joe it's up to you how much you give. And there's no regular commitment. Just hit the link in the short description to support now. This is space time series. Twenty four episode. Thirty three for broadcast may twenty six much. Twenty twenty one coming up on space time gigante jet from the early universe. The planet with two atmospheres and china's new long march seven rocket launches a top secret spy satellite all that and more coming up on space time. Welcome to space time. We stewart gary. Astronomers have discovered one of the biggest quasars ever seen in the early universe. The stunning jet of particles stretches that almost twice as long as the milky way galaxy it's being generated by rapidly growing supermassive black hole. Some twelve point. Seven billion lie is away at the time when the universe was just a billion years old. The findings reported in the astrophysical journal raising more questions. About how black holes could grow so big in such a short period of time. The newly discovered quasar was identified using this as chandra observatory the supermassive black hole name so urge three fifty two point four zero three four minus fifteen point three three seven three sits at the center of a young galaxy. Quizzes of formed as material orbiting around a black hole accretion disk is ripped. Apart releasing enormous amounts of energy before passing point of no written quote an event horizon and falling into the black hole but black holes are messy failures and huge magnetic fields can focus some of this accretion disk material for reaches the event horizon. Channeling it into powerful jets which then beamed out across the universe. The study's lead author. Thomas conner from this is jeff propulsion laboratory in pasadena california says despite their power gravitational fields and facing reputation black holes done inevitably pull everything that approaches close to them. But you're opening round the black hole in the creation disc. I needs to lose speed and energy for conforto. Further inwards and cross the event horizon magnetic fields can cause a braking effect on the equation disc as they parish it which is one key way for material in the distal lose energy and therefore enhance the rate of growth off black holes astronomers needed to observe the blackhawks for three days using the shop vision of the earth orbiting chander x ray telescope to detect evidence for the x ray jit the x ray emissions would ticket about one hundred and sixty thousand light years from the quasar along the same direction as much shortage it previously seen in radio ways by the very long baseline array. This black hole breaks a number of astronomical records. I the longest previously observed from the first billion years after the big bang was only about five thousand easing length. This one hundred sixty thousand now. By comparison the milky way to win is one hundred thousand lie is and secondly this newly fabrics rate cueva is around three hundred million light years further away. The most distant x ray j previously recorded the link of the jet significant is that means that the super massive black hole parent has been growing for some considerable period of time. The light detected from this jet was omitted when the universe was only nine hundred and eighty million years. Old that's less than a tenth of its present age at that time. The intensity the cosmic microwave background radiation left over from the big bang was much greater than what it is today. Just two point. Seven degrees above absolute zero and as the electrons in this jet. Fly away from the black hole or close. To the speed of light they move through and collide with photons making up the cosmic microwave background radiation and that boosts the energy of those photons up to the x ray range detected by chandra in this scenario the x rays are significantly boosted in brightness compared to radio waves and this agrees with observations of the large x. Ray at feature has no associated radio. Emissions studies co author daniel stern also from. Jpl says the results show that xrays evasions can be one of the best ways to study. Quasars with jets in the universe this space time still the come. The planet with two atmospheres and new chinese rocket launches a top secret spy satellite still to come on space time. Okay let's take a break from show now for a word from our new sponsor not pass the new era in password management so i was reading a review of password management providers on why the other day and they mentioned not passed saying. 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This gives you access to all sources special benefits and it's really affordable something else. I was impressed with if you use the space time you are real for a limited time you'll get fifty percents off your first twelve months on the premium plan. So we've got to lose sign up today. Go to north. Pass dot com forward slash stewart or use the coupon code stewart access our special offer and gain peace of mind. That's past dot com forward slash. Stewart or coupon codes stewart. And of course. The euro details are in the show notes and on our website. And now it's back to space time. This is waste time with stewart gerry. Astronomers have discovered a planet orbiting a distant star that appears to have lost its atmosphere any to have gained a new one thanks to volcanic activity a report in the ester of physical journal claims this planet. Jj thirty to be started out as a gaseous sub neptune world with a thick hydrogen and helium atmosphere however intense radiation from its nearby host star quickly stripped off that original atmosphere within the first hundred million years of its existence leaving the planet obey rocky world similar in size to the earth one of the study's authors razor strila from this jet propulsion labar tree in pasadena california since that's when things got interesting. Observations using the hubble space telescope showed what the authors call a secondary atmosphere consisting of molecular hydrogen hydrogen cyanide methane and an aerosol haze based on further chemically produced hydrocarbons similar to smug on earth scientists into the current atmosphere hydrogen in. Jj living thirty to be as hydrogen from the original atmosphere which had been absorbed into the planet's molten magma mantle and he's now being slowly released through volcanic processes to form a new atmosphere balancing badgen escaping into space located some forty one light years away. Jag thirty two has some tantalizing parallels with earth birth planets have similar densities similar in size and have similar atmospheric surface pressure and at around four and a half billion years old. Both is similar in ages will also birth worlds started off with a hydrogen dominated atmosphere and both were hot before they cool down but they have profoundly different formation. Histories isn't the surviving. Core of a sub. Neptune planet and the earth orbits at a comfortable distance from the sun o. J. eleven thirty to be close to its red dwarf star completes a complete orbit around the star every thirty six hours are being so close means the planet is tide locked to the red dwarf with the same side always facing the star baking in the hate. All the other side is the pitch darkness. An everlasting night. The authors think gravitational tidal heating generated by the close proximity of the planet to the star is keeping the mantle hot enough to remain liquid and power vulcan. Ism title hating is caused through friction. Energy from a pilot's auburn rotation is dispersed as hate inside the planet. Jj eleven thirty two bs. Elliptical orbit means title forces a strongest when it's birth closest to and furthest away from its host but for the whole thing to work there's got to be at least one of the planet in the system also gravitationally tagging on jayjay thirty to be so these competing forces are constantly squeezing and stretching the planet generating that hate needed to cape the mantle liquid and cape volcanoes occurring and this isn't unique to planets orbiting other stars. We see the same thing happening. In our solar system with several jovian at least once attorney and moon given. Jj eleven thirty two bs hot interior. The author suggests that the planet's cooler overlying crust probably extremely thin perhaps only a few hundred meters thick and that's much too feeble the support anything resembling volcanic mountains so the planet surface will be a very flat. Terrain probably cracked like an eggshell to tidal flexing. Hydrogen and other gases would simply be released through these cracks. Now these findings a fascinating because scientist always thought that these highly irradiated pilots near rid towards would be boring because they loss of atmosphere or this is clearly not the case. This space time still to come and you. Chinese rocket launches a top secret spy satellite and later in the science report. Study shows that people with college educations tend to live longer all that and more still to come on space time. Well it's a case of second time lucky for china's new long march seven a which is successfully carried and you classified spy satellite into orbit the sixty meter toll longmont seven is designed to eventually replace the old long march two f as beijing said light workhorse which accounts for some seventy percent of all chinese launches. The test flight took off from the wing. Chang satellite launch centre an-an-and island. Then you long might. Seven is a three stage rocket designed to use up to four strap on boosters allowing it to carry up to thirteen and a half tonnes into low-earth orbit seven tons in a geostationary orbits and five tonnes into trans lunar orbits. It'll be used to help build beijing's new space station and ultimately to transfer people in go to the opening outpost this test. Flights top secret payload was described by beijing only is being designed to try new technologies including new space environment monitoring that suggests that it's probably going to be monitoring other people satellites called the experimental share nine spacecraft. The satellite was placed into an elliptical turgeon fifty kilometer by thirty five thousand eight hundred and forty kilometer high orbit with inclination of nineteen point five degrees to the equator. The first fly along march seven. Almost exactly a year ago in that in failure with an engine malfunction shortly after i ate separation this mission mac the three hundred and sixty second flight of a long matt series rocket this space time it orbits the earth every ninety minutes at sixteen times every twenty four hours and for more than twenty years now. It's provided humans with a continuously inhabited outpost in space. The international space station is a triumph of humanity flying at twenty eight thousand kilometers per hour. Four hundred kilometers above the ground. It's massive solar array panels a so huge. They shine brilliantly reflecting sunlight just before sunrise in just after sunset making the wonder nine meet along. Four hundred eighty tonnes spacecraft easily visible streaks across the sky is a very bright y and photographing the space. Station has become a popular pastime as jonathan. Nellie the editor of the strand skied telescope magazine. Explains that we didn't match issue. Us stewart when we look at this whole thing and started gathering the space station and in particular under certain circumstances but the thing with the space station. Is that if you're getting camera with a telephoto lens onto it. 'cause it's just it's very small i mean when you look at it from the ground with negative just light in the sky right but when you zoom in on it without telephone orleans or telescopic then You can actually see them. You can say the more reasonable. It is really small. So you need. You need a fairly good magnification to see it. You've got a good magnification to see it. It means zip through your field of view very quickly because the high magnification when speaking the narrow your field of view. So i think we'll zip through very very quickly so there's that you've got to try and snap it it. Just exactly the right moment will take it serious crimes fraction of a second apart and try and catch it on one of them or you gotta have a telescope or mount system. That will move that you can actually get at the track and follow the space station which is not just today but can be done in a magazine we actually look at a particular instance of how gov and that is when the space station goes in front of the moon or goes in front of the sun so this is even a little bit tricky still. Because everything's gone up right. I mean you can go out and see the playstation. Maybe it's out there. It's not and it's just moving through the sky but the background stars and everything. Gotcha you've got to be in the right spot of the wrong time. If you wanna see it move in front of the moon or the sun and of course you to try doing anything imaging with you've gotta have the the standard safe sola never looked at hooks at look directly at the sun sandra any sort of optical instruments even if it's viewfinder camera just don't look at the sun so you can line up cameras and things indirectly On the sun and their special solar filters you can buy from special shops that don't trying to the the home grown sold of stuff that doesn't work it's dangerous so anyway yes there are As you mentioned websites it will send you in. The space station is visible tonight. But this special app she can get that will. Tend you win. It will pass in front of the sun or the moon as seen from your location. Aw it'll tell you what it's not going to be seen from your location tonight but fifty miles away if you want to go after the you'd be able to see in front of them there and then it'll go straight true you sort of line up your camera or you tell you tell. They got the moon there. In view. the space station will zip true very very quickly. And you've go to like a whole series of frames fraction of a second depa and hope. Did you catch on one. Or two. A trait fellow dylan. Oh donald who made headlines around the world with a brilliant out of this. We go to the magazine of the space station zipping pasta. They've been crucified. Should say betrayed. He's picking on other people have done it as well. But you really want to challenge and you go to beijing camera and got some clear skies. You can have a look at the information in the magazine. it'll to website. You need until you had jonathan taylor. The editor of australian skied telescope magazine. And don't forget if you're having trouble getting a copy of australian sky telescope magazine from your usual retailer. Because of the carrot locked down on travel restrictions always get a print or digital subscription and. Have the magazine delivered directly to your letterbox. Or inbox subscribing. Easy just go to sky and telescope dot com dot. Au that skied telescope dot com dot a u. And you'll never be left in the dark again. This space time and tom. It'd take another briefer. Get some of the other stories making using science this week. With the science report scientists may have found a switch associated with the spreading of prostate cancers. The findings presented to the european. Says she ation urology congress compared segments of dna from patients. Who were cute. after treatment. And those who went onto the village metastasized prostate cancer the type that spreads they found that patients who went onto the metastasized cancer had many more copies of the i n one gene which they suggest indicates an association with the more aggressive disease although the research is yet to be peer reviewed the authors say. They've changed the activity. This gene and cell cultures resulting in a reduced likelihood of prostate cancer spreading according to data based on the latest united nations population division estimates. The average life expectancy for an australian is eighty three point nine four years. That's one of the highest. Life expectancy rates in the world only just behind hong kong and japan in first and second place where people live in average of eighty five years and menaka switzerland singapore and italy. They all more than eighty four years. In fact a strays life expectancy is about the same as people living in spain. The channel islands iceland south korea israel france and sweden. And it's better than la's across the ditch us inlanders living average of eighty two point eight years putting them in nineteenth position echo with the people of grace and just behind those of canada. No way an island but much longer than the netherlands. The british finns germans and belgians. And if you live in the united states your life expectancy now is lower than what it was a few decades ago at seventy nine point one one years but it's more complicated than that and you reported. The proceedings of the national academy of sciences claims american adults without a college degree have experienced greater reductions in life expectancy when compared to the more educated counterparts the researchers examined of raw. Us mortality using records from nineteen ninety through to twenty eighteen fighting that the gap in life expectancy between races is reduced in stark contrast with the lodger racial divides in the nineteen nineties but it has now widened between those with and without a college degree. The next big thing in electric communications could be favorite jacket. A report in the journal. Nature claims scientists have developed flexible but gerbil electronic textile fabrics. That can interact with your smartphone. The team developed the fabric using cotton mixed with conduct even luminescent fibers which can eliminate specific areas to boot up simple images and pictures such as interactive maps for navigation. The fabric uses solar power to charge its batteries and can be operated. Using tat sensitive fabric keyboard researchers say the fab exploded survive one hundred cycles of washing and drying without losing brightness are experiencing performance issues. They hope that it will shape the next generation of electronic communications tools with applications for navigation and healthcare. It's been revealed that north korea is used cyber-attacks still more than threatened. Sixteen million dollars in crypto currencies in recent months disappointed span nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs. The findings by the united nations was compelled by experts monitoring sanctions against pyongyang's the u. In panel was investigating his september. Twenty twenty hack against the crypto county exchange which resulted in the theft of two hundred eighty one million dollars worth of crypto currencies. Second cyberattack a month later stole another twenty three million dollars. Pyongyang softened up eighty one million dollars from the bangladesh central bank and sixty million dollars from taiwan's far east international bank north korea's also being blamed for two thousand seventeen wannacry global ransomware attack which infected over three hundred thousand computers with hackers demanding hundreds of dollars from their owners for keys to get their information back. The road state operates an army of thousands of world trade hackers who attack firms institutions and researchers around the world and especially those in south korea. Well in case you've ever wondered. They comes at a time when even the bis paranormal investigative group wrestling demonic activity needs to know who they're going to call to minimum from restrained. Skeptic says some haunted houses may simply be too much rarity ghostbuster and the advice from the catholic. Church is that when it's time to call an exorcist. Very vexing question which is easily answered. Never i typically you. What happens based this is an article that was looking at paranormal investigator groups. The ones that go out in front goes to netherton. Yeah scary monsters in old houses and that sort of stuff and the suggestion that win it gets her being really fat nasi experiences with trying to around or the bad language or something or the goes to sort of damon is threatening you suggesting that to the the paranormal groups. The people who wonder am thinking that ghostbusters when they were similar sort of outfits in military camouflage whenever i understand that actually what you. The quantum house should leave in china. Why am i should call in a an excess because this is a tradition bank which would private catholic church by some people within the catholic church with a trade supplier the exorcism so. It'd be interesting. People suggesting exorcism based on the premise. That one this guys thing in the first place and that actually works to remove the guy's name of the bad spirit neither of us is substantiated. In any way it's really. I mean you really have to believe that. The paranormal ghost exist. Before you even have to think about it. If you don't think of the guys that nine point for the exorcist just compounds where they believe him and the fear in a way so. Yeah the answering. You don't want because it's probably not a demon there in the first place to it's not gonna help you much. Skeptics should never say absolutely. I'd be knocking on point. Nine nine percent probably twice. I went to saint. That's them from a stray and skeptics. And that's the show for now. Space-time is available every monday wednesday and friday through public cast tunes stitcher. Google podcast pocket casts spotify cast amazon music bites dot com soundcloud youtube. 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Entertainment News 01/20/21

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The mob stormed the capital was fed lies. And that trump did in fact instigate insurrection. Ocado says it's time to move on. Shave unsuccessful inaugural right here on the west front of the capitol. And then we'll move forward. I worked for. The american people will continue as it has for more than two hundred and thirty years. There are serious challenges that our nation needs to continue can product so are marching orders. From the american people are clear were to have a robust discussion and seek common ground. We are to pursue bipartisan agreement. Everywhere we can and check and balance one another respectfully where we must andrew all of this. We must always keep in mind that we're all americans we all love this country. And we're all in this together as mitch mcconnell again. He said the capitol people of this people that stormed it were fed lies. He said lies and he said trump is the one by the way the now outgoing president issued one hundred. 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Does 'BAME' still make sense?

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15:59 min | Last month

Does 'BAME' still make sense?

"Coffeehouse scholz is served by natwest group principal banking partner of the global climate. Change summit cop. Twenty six in glasgow later this year. Natwest is helping. its customers. Reduce their carbon emissions by joining forces with organizations like microsoft identifying energy saving methods for small and medium enterprises find out more about their approach to climate change at natwest group dot com salutes coffeehouse. Shorts haters daily politics. Podcast katie balls. That i'm joined by. James wolfensohn cindy you so. Does she have a race problem. According to report from the commission on race and ethnic disparities no at this is an overview set number ten and the results. james. I think it's fair to say a fatty positive for the government commission for so i think that it is essentially including that that brisson is in terms of white. Majority countries is doing well on creating a multi-racial society multiracial democracy. Now i mean there. There's there's what we can call the paradox of progress. I think race rations in britain are clearly far better and opportunities of no white backgrounds in in the uk are clearly passive and they were fifty years ago clearly when they were first ago clear best when they were ten years ago or even five years ago i would say does not mean that every single problem is solved. Obviously no one point. I think is helpful is an spectator leader ac oasis. Which is the idea of whites and bain people. Talking can unhelpful prison. Because i think if you look into and report backs this up different ethnic minority groups face. Different challenges i think and i think understanding what those different challenges all makes it easier to respond to them but i think there is also point here. Which is i think saying that. The uk is doing much better than it was a generation. Ago doesn't mean you'll say there are no problems i mean. The problem is the reaction to the problem with the with the whole. We've these debates. Is they too quickly hunt to a question one way or the other. You have to say that. Britain is a racist country or you have to save option abrahams in this country. What has everyone talking. The truth is more subtle than that. The truth is that britain is making progress. You can legitimately say has made more progress in quite a few. The most other countries in nearly every other country i would argue but there are still challenges that remain challenges that need to be dealt with. Cindy what do you make of it. Critics quite good. Say that in a way. The washer pool is not something that should be taken serious and almost an implication that because number ten chose who have role in picking the people who work on this pool. It's evidence is not for. The findings are not objective. I think that's a really tough argument for the critics to be making because what i always find quite difficult about. This debate is white house. One person's opinion matter more if everyone if ethnic minorities meant to experience this racism so everyone on the panel on commission here except for one person automatic minority who would have experienced the things that they're talking about or not experienced the things that they don't think exist so what makes their opinion less valid than a people feuded other reports which have been cited counteracting. So if they do agree with the government we should be thinking. Why do they think that. Why do these ethnic minority people have come to the conclusion that they have done instead of just dismissing them. Were government stooges or even. Worse tokens with something. I've seen coming up today. So i think i think that's very very powerful argument and i think james is completely right. Ballot splitting the labor of ame. Because what they do quite well in the reports suggesting the different industries from education to crime to health district. Show what the problems are and who is problems. Were for example. -cation is not that black. Kids are struggling. Is that black. Caribbean kids are struggling. Then as the white kids who are reaching the second worst attainment but black african children actually do better and chinese people up quite high up the top so you that splitting is really really important to find out would is going on and how to solve james Some have native that the some of the things in this report seem to reflect. Quite classy speech is trust. Gave on the government's new qualities agenda. How does this all fit together. And what can we expect in the government next. So i've the government view would be that the kind of looking at if they don't like the whole beim definition. I mean they also want to look at geographic factors if you are a poor kit him burn regardless of your ethnicity. Do you have less opportunity of social mobility even a poor kid in london regardless of their ethnicity. And how do you tackle that. I wanted the very interesting questions. readings report. is it points out in education that you saw. You're seeing immigrants. Actually in lots of cases doing better. They put stands to his kind of immigrant. Drive for success. perfection. And i think this is an interesting towel it says in the report there are early signs that is now being reflected in the leadership of professions. And the like. I mean interesting questions when we if we were to reconvene coffee our shots and i years time lay wherever progress and education would have carried on all the way through the system. I mean that is an interesting question which is to kind of us business. Algae in the pipeline problem is clearly being sold fright in that you are producing lots of highly qualified. Ethnic minority schoolkids all day. Then going on to get places to the top universities and then all going on into and to get to the top of our respected professions or all their cultural factors that are holding them back at some point in terms of people have been resistant. I think it'll be. That will be one of the things to watch in that twenty years now. Obviously on the people say oh. It's very easy for you to say that. Have a luxury of time. You know the fierce urgency of now people only have one in their lives. But i think in some ways that is a real test of this and i think trajectory sufficiently positive over the last fifty years or so but i feel relatively confident that that if we reconvene in thirty years time we would've seen that progress. I look forward to thirty anniversary episode. Cindy yes i think james is right. I mean if you look at the united pipeline if you look at the data it does support that as well. What the report found was that for the under thirties. The ethnic pay gap was statistically insignificant. Which is not the case for the over thirty s on average about a two point. Three percent pay gap if this lack of pay gap in the younger generation in more people with more junior. These companies is a sign that people things are getting more equal for lower rungs than we can expect to see that translating upwards in the years to come in the other really important thing that the report makes a distinction about is that they're not saying there's no racism in the uk full stop. Cena does no structural racism that they haven't found evidence of that and structural. Racism is one of these terms as banded about quite a lot recently and what it essentially says that an institution has norms or explicit rules that discriminate against ethnic groups. But that's something different and as quite much stronger claim than just to say that someone has experienced racism in their workplace and is not is not the same claim at all and according to this report. Notice there's no evidence for structural racism while saying that clearly in a lot of areas. Racism still does exist that whether or not society is designed or stacked up against ethnic minorities. I think is much a stronger claim them now. James and avenues Fis have said trials of its covid vaccine in children aged twelve to fifteen share one hundred efficacy and a strong immune response now in a way. I think when tokyo this would not really say worried about children catching covid for their own safety. Instead the reasons showed up their gender is is all about a country a nation achieving had a so. Do you think this is an argument. That is gaining traction. In government mean lots of people in whitehall he faint that herd immunity will will will likely require certainly can secondary school pupils Being vaccinated against it. I think as you seem with the whole in the use of astronomical vaccine in germany. One of the problems is that the u. lightly hood of dying we're getting from covid is is very close correlated with age so as you move down the age range even an extremely rest artifact that might possibly be linked to the vaccine will be seen as a reason to stop it because the doric rest about individuals quite low i think is quite interesting worth noting save but there's a danish university study out today suggesting the blood clock concern among the accent is low than you would expect them operation and the european medicines agency has again said they think the vaccine is safe for use in the entire population. You're a piece of and inspect data. There's an interesting point about charles vaccination which is to. What extent do we expect children to receive a vaccine to protect themselves from childhood disease but to help wider society. Chief is of her. And and i think i think it is interesting. I mean the point you making the peace which is right which is everyone is looking at what israel is doing and saying right and these rays are interested in charge of the nation is doing achieving. How the museum and so people are like right. That study that i. It is interesting that even in israel which is country that has cheeto shoes impressive vaccination with a popular support. There is a certain hesitancy about. I mean this will be a homeowner on petitions to make because it is a bounce asking children's take a risk for something that is very little danger to them personally and send even licking israel. Even i think vaccinating not children twentysomethings the funny you go down the age groups the more reluctance or i suppose to the lesson. Fusarium for vaccines. Do you think. We're going to see that hero. G think actually from your experience in the field of hanging out with twenty year olds. Who was actually quite some for this. I think actually the circle of freedom pass changes the calculations i've definitely had conversations with people in their twenty s who say whatever it takes. Get me back in the pub. Java into my arm and a very persuasive off theory is okay. Yeah this hard shove into into public houses using astrazeneca and finally had the first scottish election debates last night he came out on top. I saw labour leader in scotland. How good evening in that in complicates nature scottish politics. He manages to manage school. I didn't quite significant debating point skins nikola surgeon and douglas ross and for debate played sought strategy is going to be in this election which is essentially suggests that both labor and the smp are obsessed with the constitution to the detriment of public services and other things in scotland and he managed effectively ties installation. Imagine west hall policy would be scotland today if he was interested in that and she was your independence and then douglas rothrock clumsy to question about the trim prejudice in society. And trying to turn that into a discussion of of why. You didn't need a second independence. Referendum arianna solid him. You ain't gonna grow up douglas. That's not that's not sensible politics. I for interesting thing. Which is everyone is very unsure public mood. It's right now because of a covid researchers you how to do canvassing streets tools. People ask asked to go up to people in the street and awesome questions because people are not usually come any anytime when there's a respiratory virus spreading. jc off. People probably okay debate you particularly popular but what i thought was interesting. Was the number of questions from the audience. Obviously virtual audience. That basically said it'll come on. We turn into india ref to while we talk you might ref when muhammad don the recovery from covert and i thought seen daisy makes his point that that nicholas virgins answering were torture. She was basically trying to suggest that. Maybe scotland should become an independent in the wake of the financial crisis. Which when you consider what happened to all bs not crisis is a particularly all argument. And so i think it was not a good evening. Sergent wasn't great knife. Douglas ross and bus. Not the best time it was on they have this does suggest the tory strategy of cooling the responsible referendum moving to that from once in a generation of to reckless didn't task does have some merit and yeah. I've torn tactic in gotland is basically to be. If you don't want indirect you vote for us and in some ways you've clearly water knuckles versus debate for night accused of not talking about stopping indirect to enough they are. I think that drive out though bass their bass will come out to vote for them in the same way that nikola surgeon is having to suggest a her base. But this will be within the first two and a half years of the parliament. Because i based impatient from in pens. I still think that as a real albatross around her neck now. Because i mean if she was just going interest selection they commitment to maybe have a referendum. Sometime in. the next parliament will be able to say well. Look we made progress in dealing with these things. I will then ton to it being. We know that the justice committee things that will take a decade to deal to play the core the battle in the courts by how we know on the eight key diagnostic tests. This government lease. It uses the waiting lists for patients has gotten as over a hundred thousand long. We know. I think the two thirds of disadvantaged people's manage no education torture and not it's not credible to all those problems are going to be dealt with in the first two and a half years so nicholas surgeries is being forced to argue that. Not only is. She not distracted by ref too but the indirect is an essential part of recovery from covert. And i think argument is all you to get across the doorstep. I the snp stoop pooling. Phenomenally well i. We haven't yet seen what the evidence is. But what jing north night. And it's hard to tell when the audience is virtually no in the studio you would not based on those audience questions have guessed where the polling numbers currently orange scotland. Thank you james. Thank you cindy and thank you for listening. Katie before you stop completely. I wanna let listeners know about the hymns party that we are having the completely above boards gathering of around thirty people it will be on the twenty-first of may friday. And if you'd like to come than email. Podcast at spectator dot quedo. Uk to some of you had already emailed before when fraser mentioned wsb. Doing a lucky dip. Because i was limit on numbers has gonna wax fast. Fast randomly will randomly choose numbers. Save and can those picked bring a plus one or is that to be what. I didn't think so i think because we shall love coffee. I'll show you make france going to quickly go lane but yet please get in touch puskas expectation dot k. k.

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Leica Photo Challenge, with Leica Ambassadors Ashly Stohl and Craig Semetko

B&H Photography Podcast

1:11:02 hr | 11 months ago

Leica Photo Challenge, with Leica Ambassadors Ashly Stohl and Craig Semetko

"You're listening to the h photography podcast for over forty years being H has been the professional source for photography video audio, and more for your favorite gear news and reviews visit us at H., dot, com, or download the beach up to your iphone or android device. Now here's your host Alan White's greetings and welcome to the. podcast today we're going to be welcoming to photographers Ashley Stall and crates. MEDCO Ashley and Craig happened to be friends, but their distinctive work is linked because they both also to be shooting with like 'em camera systems. We grateful not only they have joined us on this episode to talk about their work, but equally grateful, because they both agreed to be judges in the beach photography podcast like a photo challenge we're going to get to. The ranch rose in a second, but first we want to be sure that I listen to check the Lincoln today's show notes and submit photos for chance to win a brand new like acute to you. You know which camera talking about forty seven Megapixel full frame sensor, a twenty eight millimeter F, one point, seven similar looks spherical Lens Good Luck GonNa, remind you again at the end of the show. Okay now our first guest is Craig. Some metro create splits his time between Chicago and Los Angeles but quick glance at his work makes it clear. He's been around the block, and beyond his first book imposed post in two thousand and ten with a Ford by Elliott. Irwin was re sounding success, and it was followed by India on posed in two thousand fourteen. If there's one thing to be said about Craig's work, it's funny. It's sly. Absurd all these words come to mind when you see moments. He captures as Elliot or, said Craig the essential photographer that is the one who sees what others could not have seen. Welcome Craig, thanks for joining US hello. Ellen of pleasure to be here. Thanks terrific. Now let me start with first question. You came from a writing and performing background, and maybe you could walk us down the path you took from getting from these silly evocations like performing Watson scribbling words themed art and craft of photography. Like that I love that yes. There let us know how you came to us. The like was it an evolutionary process that you went through DSL laws minerals cameras. Would he grab the Bait on the first cast well I tell you what this is. The story that I tell often, and it's kind of a long one, but I'm GonNa Kinda speed through it. You know as you mentioned. I wrote and performed comedy professionally for a large corporate events. Okay, and in the year two thousand. I had this fantastic job took me around the world. England Ireland. Japan all around the United States China. And when I was overseas well at that point in my life near two thousand, I had never I didn't own a camera, so I thought I might not be going back to some of these places ever again. Maybe I should buy a cameron and see what happens, so I bought a kind of a low end. Nikon, S.. L. Are I think it was a six thousand six. If you remember that and off I went, and when I was outside of Shanghai I took this photograph of these two women going up stream of you know like a dugout canoe and it was. told the story I mean. It was revelatory for me. It was like an epiphany when I saw this. Wow, you know. I'm an actor I've got a lot of free time. Maybe I get a hobby and tell stories in a different medium so. Being a good American consumer. My next thought was I. Just need a Big Zoom Lens now and then I'll be a real photographer. So I I went to Hong, Kong, and while I had a few days off all over Hong Kong, and along with ubiquitous. Nikon and Canon signs or a couple of stores it said like on the outside, but I was there for this Zoom Lens Right I done some research I went into this one place finally that had the Lakers sign out there and I and the guy sized me up as a neophyte immediately in very dismissive. And he said you know we don't have that zoom. You don't want that and I said well as long as I'm here. Could you tell me about those leases over there? In the corner I had never heard of black. Next to the cons. I'd never heard of Lincoln I didn't even know how to pronounce it right so I thought I should wait to buy this lens. Telugu back to Los Angeles so I went to the store, and I was in line to to get the Lens and overheard the salesman say to the woman in front of me. She had asked about buying a camera and said well. That's a nice camera. Why that camera? She's only read good reviews about it and so let me ask you this. What do you like to shoot? and. That was another epiphany I. Go. Wow, what do I like to shoot? That's an excellent question. He might ask me that question and. I don't know the answer. I got very nervous, so I got out of line. I went downstairs and I thought about it for five minutes. I came back upstairs. It was my turn. He says so can I help you I said yeah like to by the Zoom Lens, and he said well why that zoom I said well, it read good things about it Blah Blah Blah. He says well. Let me ask you this. What do you like to shoot I? Said well. What are the ads that you would ask me that question? I just happened to be thinking about that. I like to shoot people and I travel a lot and he starts. You know with his index finger pulling me down the. The length of table there and he says look. Have you ever thought about a Leica? Here, try this on so I people. It's one of my hand and I'm like. Wow, wow, what is this? He's like a range finder and he goes through all the reasons why it's the right camera for what I WanNa, do and I said well. This is cool as an actor. I was having my best year ever and I said I'M GONNA. You know I get obsessed sometimes with these things and I go full bore, so I was prepared to spend a thousand dollars for this I go. This is really cool. How much is it and he says? At the time. I think it was two thousand dollars. I said you're you're kidding me. And he said no annual need to lens okay, okay, let's just slow down Why don't I gotTa think about this I? Don't make rash decisions like this. He says here. I understand. Take these brochures go home. You won't sleep tonight and tomorrow. A white now that that is a sales pitch, so he was right I went home i. put these things on my bed Stan, I'm looking through this one brochure and I'm just you know captivated by these photographs all taken by famous photographers, famous like photography, and I come upon this interview with one of them by some guy named on Rijkaard Gabrielson well I say some because at the time in my photographic ignorance, I had no idea who he was I quickly became very interested in his interview talked. talked about Zen. Like qualities I thought it was really fascinating. I love his photography. I went back in the next day. I said you got me here. I am just tell me I'm not going to regret buying this. He said the only way you'll regret. It is if don't use it in so I decided right then and there I was gonNA use the hell out of that camera. He essentially taught me how to use the camera over a series of weeks, and I became obsessed with the work. Work of Cardi per song and and like a cameras I shot without any goals in mind. Really for the next seven years I got a snail mail from a friend in Durango Colorado and I opened it up and she'd cut on a newspaper article. She said Craig. There's a new gallery year in town. She said you should bring your prince up here I. Bet they'd WanNa show your work. Just so happened that my mother was renting a house for a month in Durango that summer and I. I, said all right I'll. I'll go see my mom and brings some prince. I met with women their own the gallery. She said I like your stuff, but we're booked up for the next eighteen months. Stay in touch. I said okay. I didn't I'm not good that way and about six months later. I got an email from her saying Craig. I'm looking at your work on Line I. had rudimentary website. She goes I really like it and I can see that it's really inspired by Enrique Cardi. It just so happens it. We're doing a show cardia response and I was wondering if you'd like to show your work alongside the work of on RECARTE's present. So how long did you consider that offer? You. Sleep wanted a little bit honestly thought somebody hacked. MIAMI. I thought one of my friends. School really did. I really did because my friends would do something like that to me and a and then I I i. don't believe this turned out that like eight years after I bought that like in my first full gallery show at a real photographic gallery was called. Street photography from classic to contemporary on Riccardi, Brisson and Craig Simmons. Pretty good, so would you say that you had know looking back any kind of developed a style at that point, would you? Were you aware of this? Were you thinking about that and and looking back now? Did you think that ordeal? Think now that you had a style on? Can I throw a little addendum into that, and if I, but that same thought. How did the camera affect that style and the way you see because range find cameras? Do Affect the way you approach you subject, so carry on. Thanks. Yeah, absolutely both of those questions. I can answer. It. What was really interesting to me? I never thought about it. That the that first question John that you asked. I'm giving a talk in New Jersey and Bob. McNealy Who was the The White House photographer, four sixty eight years of Clinton was there, and he heard my talk, and afterwards he said you know Craig. Nice talk I enjoyed it. It's not that unusual though I'm like. Wow, really something unusually said I have two friends at the age of forty started taking photography and they they were greeted with some success rather quickly. I said wow wise that he says because. They. Were already had a worldview formed. So. He said you know they didn't have they didn't go to like photography. Schooling taught sort of a cookie cutter kind of thing. He said they just already had this worldview for I mean I was thirty nine years old when I bought that Lika that was the first, I never photographed before that and and I thought. Wow, that's really interesting, because yeah, you know you're probably GonNa ask me on humor at some point, but the sense of humor was there. Since you know sort of birth and I spent my life, you know people watching, and so you sort of get. Get a a a worldview formed in my case, it was you know a lot of absurdity and surrealism, and just you know funny stuff, and so that was immediately coming out of my photographs, all I mean almost immediately and combined with the fact that I was you know like I said I was obsessed with Cardi Brisson, and I very quickly soon after that discovered the work of Elliott or wit, and so you know in my world I was consciously trying to sort of take pictures with the composition say the geometry of Cardi resigned and the humor and emotion of Elliott's and. Concert question, shooting, black and white. Originally. Because you do color now we we we you started. What were you doing? When I said I I became obsessed with Cardi preside totally emulated the guy. I traveled as much as I. Could I use a a thirty five fifty millimeter lens all the time, but he also shot black and white and Triax, and you know from what I was. A Kid I can remember magazines in libraries that look at these old go through the old files and find these life magazines, and all this all these photographs in black and white. Always. They just captivated me, so that's. That was why I sort of. That's why won't black and white all the guys that I was emulating shop black and white? He has a question about. Starting out. Did you have any trepidation? Were you shy about bringing the camera up to your eye? Because that's a whole other kind of engagement, I mean a lot of people who are maybe gregarious and life. When they put a camera, their face and they realized people know they're taking. They draw back that ever affecting. In fact, it still does occasionally depending on the situation, but I try to be you know I try to his sneaky as possible about it I I I I try to be very surreptitious about it. I don't want I. Don't want to necessarily know that I'm taking their picture and then if they do know that, I'm taking a picture I will sort of. You know play some sort of tricks or something and to make it look like I'm not really taking their picture or I'll hang around long enough so that they if if it's really important sort of event I'll hang around until they forget about. Really don't care. Stand around. Take their picture. You shoot from the HIP. Where do you raise the camera to your? I win a because especially, if all these split moment shots at you do again, people are in motion, and you have to catch literally the moment. From the hip from the I. What what we usually do you know it's a combination of both I. it's probably more often than not brought up to my eye, but sometimes it's in the street I'll just have a thirty five or or or twenty eight or something on and. I'll zone focus, and you know just kind of try to keep. Keep it on the down low. You know you mentioned that used a early on thirty five and fifty millimeter, but you just said twenty eight. What what are you? What lenses you know using? What's your favorite optic right now? Well I guess if you were to ask me what my optic favored optic is as we speak I am. Am, you know I'm locked down in Chicago in my in my condo and I'm very fortunate to have with me. A A like S. L. to a twenty, four, Ninety Lens and ninety two to Eighty Lens, and that is almost exclusively what I'm shooting out, which is radically different for me? It's really sort of a sea change in the way that I work in the way I see things and. I am forced to do it essentially. You know because we're on lockdown and I'm trying to stay. you know I'm trying to abide by that and so I'm that's what I'm shooting right now, but I it's caused me to to appreciate a twenty eight a little bit more. So when I do go out. Sometimes I'm taking a twenty eight with me. Just because I'm I'm enjoying using wider Lens, and also a very very long lance yet will. You can do that with the with the sale camera which you can't do with an m can't do you still shoot with ams, or do you bounce back and forth depending on what you're doing and what you're subject matter is. The actually initially got this as hell to shoot of video for. For a friend who does work for some corporate events and I was going to help him with that and I was just hanging out with my with my am on my regular street photography, but then this happened, and it's forced dampier, and so I said you know. Let's try this out and. It's been amazing. It's just it's. It's been amazing to me in that I'm I'm seeing the parallel? Between Street photography and landscape, photography and I and I at least for me, and that's something. I never thought I'd say because I I've never had an interest in landscape photography, but if you shoot landscape photography with with the idea of the decisive moment in mind. It's very much like street photography and I'm like. I'm sitting here, looking out the window, and I see these clouds forming, and the sun might just peeked through the exact moment you know the small disc in between all of these really dark clouds and a sunrise and Bam. You know you get it. You get one shot at it because the time is, the moment is fleeting and. And from that aspect I'm finding it really challenging and fun to shoot landscapes which I. Never I never thought I'd say that had the yet. The parameters of being a fixed place you go shoot landscape, you go to the landscapes here in a situation where you are essentially an on a perch You're about looks like about what eight to ten floors up. Your your elevated for sure. And that's good and I. It's. That's. Amazing, Hey right points for our S. But now you have this vantage point, and and again you could see just so far depending on how close you get to the window, and how far left and right up and down, you can go So what's really going on as you have this framed canvas, your window and the scenery is constantly changing nonstop, so you're coming and going, do like working that way as opposed to being able to go out and position yourself, it's it's sort of the you know now now. The pictures have to come to you. Go to them. Correct and you know in some ways I'm finding it much more efficient. Sometimes it's good to have a boundary some creativity. And I don't often do that to myself in the street and sometimes I I realized that I probably am inefficient with my use of time I'll be walking around too much rather than sort of staying in one place I have to remind myself just find a good spot and stay there because I do like walking around in experiencing the city and seeing you know what what comes up. But I can't do that here. Obviously, and it's forcing me to just look at what is in front of me now. Fortunately I'm kind of a position here where there's a lot going on in front of me, but I'm amazed at every day. You know virtually something new. That might not have occurred to me. Is Happening I mean? We talked a little bit earlier. You saw the there's. On my website now I've got one of these photographs upside down car on Lake Shore. Drive that this guy got in a wreck in the in the car was upside down and I met a turn lakeshore. Drive here where every time it rains. It's like clockwork you can. You can hear the crash and it's a sickening sound I. Know Know what I'm talking about. That sound of metal and glass crashing each other. And people. He constantly hit this wall. Fortunately, they never seem to hit it hard enough. Where people are seriously injured, but they crash their cars on a regular basis. This guy must have been flying or something. And he ended up upside down two days ago. I I saw for possibly the first time in my life, an actual full rainbow. You know it wasn't broken in the middle anywhere and so I got this this kind of crazy picture of a rainbow. It's also on your site stunning, but for those of you who listening in saying. What are these people talking about? If you just Google Leica blog and then go down to a little bit on the leftist, says corona diary. You'll see all of Craig's pictures that we're discussing right now. You can look at him as we're talking I'm sorry, not thanks but yes, so it in each day. The the weather is different. You know this sort of time of year. Is has been great for dark skies and beautiful sunrises, and there's a lot of drama going on in your skies by you. It's unbelievable and what? What's what I like about where I'm at is. There's this sort of breakwater as you can see if you're if you happen to be looking at that, that is you know immovable. It's there permanently. I'm using that sort of as the as the I'm using the same angle trying to the same window of this of this breakwater every every time. I shoot something different and it's. It's amazing in. It's going to be like Monet's haystacks or something if you will of trying to get the same exact scene with radically different weather around it and and I'm going to do this probably for the time. Maybe I don't know how long this lockdown is going to continue but I'm GonNa continue doing you know whenever I'm here in the summer and see where this can take me because it's. It's sort of never ending fascination. Just seeing the the different. The water changes colors. You know when it's. What it gets really riled up. It gets very brown other times it's it's Green Times. It's blue The clouds are it's amazing. a friend of mine recommended a book to me an old sort of out of date book by Ruth, or even the great photographer, Ruth or sure, and it's called a world through my window and the entire book is shot. Shot through her window over central. Park and you're like and I'm reading the preface and she says yeah. It's hard to believe, but if people ask me all the time, all these pictures were taken out of my window and she says it's just like being out on the street and she says you do a lot of waiting waiting for that moment waiting for. The taxi to go by someone get out of it. It's the same thing. It's really very much street photography. That's a that's a great book. By the way we were just talking about that. The other day with with another guest jammed and there's there's there's I mean. You'RE GONNA find a lot of great photographers who've kind of taken up that as a project. You know from their window, even thinking w Eugene Smith at a great series. kind of gritties shots from his window in New York. City, right what I wanted to get back though to some of the street photography and maybe some I don't know if you want to call them techniques, but you mentioned a little bit about you know. Maybe staying put a little bit longer and walking around and I I kind of suffer from the same thing you WanNa, keep moving. But that patients sometimes helps, but are you. The type that takes a lot of shots when you when you find a senior one, or or do you just of click one and move on, and if you do take a lot, the often find that it's at first one. That's the winner. Well excellent question and I. It's just both. I have examples where I have you know examples in that first book for instance were I had one chance to get the shot? And literally it. You know it was fleeting. I only had a split second to get it. I got it, and it ended up in the book, and then on the other hand I might see. Oh, wow, this is a great background. I'm going to sit here and wait and see if something develops in front of because you know I for me. People well here I am telling you how great I'm I'm liking landscapes, but. For me in general I really want people in the photograph to bring some dynamism to it That's what interests me so when I'm out in the street. Yeah, I, I won't settle for just a great background I wanNA I. WanNa good foreground as well, and I'll wait you know as long as it takes. Sometimes it comes quickly. Sometimes it never comes in you. Move On. This is a tough question, and and I don't even know where to begin a little bit. But how do you know what's? How do you find humor in a photo? I mean what what are the aspects within within the Cup position within the frame that that will lend itself other than just the subject itself Are there ways that you've developed or even thought about? Placement of characters and figures and background foreground that will lend itself to something funnier than it might otherwise, or is it just you know Kinda gone from the Gut? Yeah that's you know that's another excellent question and a difficult one to answer because. It's. You know I think I think you're sort of born with a sense of humor, or you've acquired somehow early on and you. Just you see things in a way that. You. Can Photograph it so that you're seeing that you're. You're creating a photograph. That is is really showing the way you're seeing it and that you're going to accomplish two things. You'RE GONNA. Make the person laugh who's viewing it, but you're also going to develop your own personal style rather quickly. You know if you can sort of put your imprint on this on any given scene. It's difficult to to make a humorous photograph out of something that you know isn't isn't humorous So the key really is what do you find funny you know, and then you gotta hope. Other people think what you think is funny as. Well. because it's so subjective. I mean humor is just so subjective, and what's what's hilarious? One person is offensive to another person you know vice versa and honey balanced that this kind of idea of you know laughing with somebody or laughing at somebody in subject, and for example you know. Have you had moments in the street? Where someone's looking, you know they catch you. Take a picture and they're not too happy about it. Even though for you, it was just a beautifully innocent and funny moment. Yeah, you know I I. Have I have had people? Yeah, stop me, Ilene, say white and take my picture whatever. and. You know I'll I'll I'll stop taking their picture. They clearly don't want me to take picture or I'll erase the picture if they really wanted to raise the picture. Unless it's really. I might look. Yours. But but but for the most part you know. Like I said it's. Well for instance. That the the image I was specifically talking about in the first book where I said I had a split second. It was a guy walking down the street in Paris in a business suit and a tie, looking completely confident, not a care in the world, nonchalant man with play within tissue stuff. Around? No. And I'm like that's hilarious right now I. would this guy find it hilarious if he was like? You know ended up in a book I? Don't know if he would, but I think it's I think it's safe to say that everybody on the planet would look at that and chuckle, and they and they're not as you laughing at him. You know I don't know I. Like to think we're laughing with him and it's a recognition of of all of our human. Frailties and And you know we've all had a bloody nose or whatever the thing that makes that funny is not the fact that he's necessarily got. Wad of Gauze ause sticking out of his nose. It's that he's own so confident and nonchalant. In drought. Aviv when he stepped out the door, he knew he was going to be stared at EIB. But you look at the expression on his face and it's like. It's if he knows he's got this thing stuck. His nose bleeds carrying on regardless and if you notice it two view otherwise, I'm going on with my day. It's a great picture. It's your. Well Thank you I mean, and you asked me about sort of tips and tricks and stuff that I saw that guy come in from. Seventy yards away and I just went into like panic. Mode I'm like how am I going to get into this? And so there was a lot of. Because this was read, this was earlier on in my sort of career and I. Just wanted to make Tripoli sure. I was doing everything. Right so I. Composed while it didn't I, had a fifty millimeter lens on there, and I knew that I could do a short distance of Zone, focusing so I'm metered for the gray, just flat, gray and the grass, and then I set the zone up, and I had about I don't know eight to twelve feet or something and I I continued walking, but slowed my walking down and kept my camera around my neck, and until he would just as soon as he hit that zone I stopped through the camera. Framed, it took the picture and then started walking again. He was I. don't think he was ever where I took the photograph. Do tend to shoot one frame at a time. Would you just machine gun in this situation like this? Where you know this is happening once? It's not happening again. How do you usually work? I guess I'm sort of A. You know a relic in that regard. I don't machine gun. You know I I just don't and the closest I've come to. That is just recently. I tried machine gunning, and it actually worked. I did because we had a blue angels fly over here so I, had this big huge. You know to eighty lens on there. There and I'm like they've ever time. There was to you know sh machine gun at now's the time and I still I screwed it up because I'd never tried it before, and it was awfully hard following them at two hundred and eighty meters, but I got some usable frames out of it, but as a rule. No I I. I don't do that. I it just doesn't feel right to me. A much better sense. I think of of want of having watched people my whole life. It's really been my favorite pastime. I just find them hilarious that I can start to predict behavior you know and you can. It's like you know Wayne Gretzky with A. Used to sort of be where the puck was going to, instead of word had been. You know, and and you get to a form like. Cents about. Anticipation on people's behavior so I rely on that much more than just going all right, I'm just. GonNa Knock off forty pictures here and hope for the best now. Having said that if I'm in a situation where I'm free to take as many pictures as I want in in whatever time you know, I'll, I'll use that luxury. But most often in the in the type of photography that I've that I've known for I. Don't have that luxury, so I have to make use of of the moment in in the. In the best way I can and that's. Shooting at the exact right time you. You had mentioned that again. Just go back my other up an earlier point that you started doing thirty five and fifty, and now you've gone on. You've discovered the joys of a Wider Angle Lens at twenty eight millimeters specifically now you also mentioned the one eighty now now coming from normal slightly wide when you started off, and now you're branching off into. Other will turn into focus. Really feel the biggest draw that the white. Wider Angle or more telephoto and use the telephoto for anything other than just bringing distant things closer to use it for what the optical qualities of how that affects you picture I. Think I'm probably always going to be a more of a of a wide angle to. Normal Ends Kinda Guy Twenty, eight, thirty, five fifty but. Like I said the the longer ones, I've sort half the US. Here anything under seventy. Five is not cannot not have great help to me, except for like for instance that. Rainbow, shot I think I. I was at Twenty Four. I think for that, but Yeah I. It's you know. There specialized lenses in in my world that. Tools Gye if you needed me on them and I'm very fortunate to to. have an example of both of them at this particular time in because they're they're they're. They're doing the job. That really great tools. I could read that you're. You're working on, I guess what maybe your third book or at least it's. It's a long term project on this using finger quotes here. America, because that's obviously a huge subject and something that you know. A lot of great photographers covered How's that going? And what's the? What's the plan going forward with that? Well, the funny thing is I mean I started this. I'm embarrassed to say years ago in the original idea was I was going to start shooting on July fourth twenty eleven in independence. California and I did and then the then the N. Day was going to be. Inauguration Day January twentieth of twenty thirteen, whoever got elected I was just GONNA go around the country for eighteen months. And shoot that and somewhere in the middle of that. Like a camera had asked me if I wanted to be a part of this Ten by ten exhibition that they they were creating for their celebration hundred year anniversary of like photography, and of course you know. I said Yes to that and we could shoot. However, we're whatever we wanted. They just want us to do a tip of the hat to our artistic father, and they teamed up with Elliot Irwin and I went to India for three months by sister was over there on a fulbright scholarship I I had a place to stay so I I went there and. I used Mumbai a home base in, and you took that time to use the to shoot this project. which I thought was just going to be ten image project. They saw what they they liked what they saw coming from me, and then they wanted me to do a different fools, full exhibition at a different venue, and so I extended my stay. I, was there a full three months, and then I realized that came that that really I had enough for a book, and so that sidetrack completely from the America project, and by the time I got back on the project it was laid in. Least mid, two, thousand, fourteen, and so I kind of lost momentum on that. But now I have and every time. I think I'm done with it. Something else crazy happens in the United States of. America, you know. Yeah Yeah and I think this book instead of being an eighteen month deal is now going to be like out. The second decade of the United States frankly start shooting twenty eleven still shooting it now, but the shooting process is really kind of wrapped up. I've now got you know a lot of prints on my wall onto. They'd been sequenced once sequence twice and I'm just trying to get comfortable with the sequences, and then I'm going to and I'm going to go hunt for publisher and I think I'm I'm a publisher for my first book. Annoys Publishing Second Book I did on my own, but with the help of extraordinarily talented people that. Book actually won an award for for Best Art Book of two. Thousand, fifteen by the printers. Of America the imposed India correct. Yeah, they did a wonderful job. A wonderful job printing book. He could put up a picture. pull out a page from that. Put it behind glass in. It looks like Silver Ellen print. And, so but that was great, but I spent a year being you know. Salesman and fulfilling. Stuff and so I want back to a publisher. Regarding this and this is A. Probably a whole episode on this this question but. Are you. Looking to form a theme specifically as your sequencing and editing Is there a comment that you wanna make, or are you letting the pictures speak to you and then intern speak to the the viewer, and maybe let it determine their own version of America also you do your own editing or you having other people you know riding shotgun with you. These are all very good and. Appropriate questions You know this is going to be a little. This book's going to be definitely in Edgier book it's it's not gonNa be there's funny pictures in it but there's also other stuff. That's you know I. Don't know if shocking is the word that might be too much, but you know edgy. Stuff in there. And I feel that. I'm definitely trying to you. Know I'm trying to say something. This book is not. Just a photograph thrown up for the for the photograph. Whatever I'm trying to I'm trying to send a message. Interestingly enough at I'm spoke supposed to be doing a an exhibition of the work in July at like a gallery in Boston. With the Cova D- situation where we're sort of playing by ear right now, but. Annabella Aska as the the The curators there has suggested that I. write captions for this and I. I've done that only once before in an exhibition. It was very well received, but. You know I've always been one to avoid captions. I, want the image to speak for itself and I think that these these images in aggregate. When you see them all at once, you'll get the idea where I'm coming from but I may I probably for the exhibition at least I will probably do captions, and who knows me with Lon nipped in the book second. Party or questions yeah I've had some some great help from Elizabeth al-anon in in in. And And she's done a done a wonderful job and I'm just now trying to. Put my final my final signature on it so. Did. You find that your choice in Her choices would different or they was your knuckle overlap? There's a great deal of overlap, but there's also you know she she picks them. That wouldn't have occurred to me to put in. And she left out some that I really would want. So you know it's going to. And you're okay with that because I you at some point, you gotta let go of Ego and it's a very difficult thing to do when it comes to your pictures and people telling you what they think is better than what you think. would. You just took her work for just ran with it because there really is wrong on. That's what that's. What one discovers and. I'm I'm forever grateful to Elizabeth I fear for helping. Move that she's been. She's been phenomenal. And you know I don't think our collaboration is is over by any means and. You know were. We go back and forth and she's yeah. Okay, I can see your point on this and you know and I say I can see your point on this in you know we we sort of come to. Agreement so. It's still. It's still a work in progress in. I'M GONNA. Hopefully. Get this thing nailed down within within a month and be ready to. GET OUT THERE I'm really looking forward to it I am you know I I hear what you're saying about. Maybe taking a different tack in terms of less human and more of. An Edge, but I just wanted to say you know there's it's not easy to consistently have take photos. The heavens sense of humor you know or and and kind of walk that line between something. That's just like silly, funny or poignant, and you have so many photos that do it, I just I just wanted to put that out there to your credit I think it's really I mean I think a lot of us. Try to get that and. It's not that easy. You know at least consistently. I greatly appreciate what you just said, and you're right. It's you know it's harder than hell quite frankly to get get. A I mean Eliot was wonderful when he what he wrote that book, but he wrote A. Paragraph about you know images found in nature. You know unopposed, not manipulated, you know an funny is is called a minor miracle. Pollutant. A. In I was humbled tremendously by, but then I. You know I, know how hard it is. That book, the book was literally ten years of photographing. There's only like fifty three pictures or something it. but you know most of them are are are are moving so maybe we can use that to springboard to a little question about the contest, and and you know we don't know what kind of photos we're going to get submitted or we do. We've seen some already when this aired. But what? What do you think you're GONNA? Look for when you're talking a photo. That is going to reflect You Know The Times. That were in well. I I think that no matter what kind of images shooting whether it's landscape or street photography. Funny Poignant Tragic War. Whatever I think that There's a wonderful acronym that you can go by, and that's diet and there's a video that was done by. Coup COO. These folks cooperative for photography straps along with a great great folks, and I work with them on on a lot of things and they they. They did a video of me talking about this concept called the photographers diet, and D stands for a design I stands for information e for emotion and T for timing. It's you know when you find. When you take a photograph. It's easy to get one or two of those in an image. It's much harder much harder to get three and if he had all. All four. You know you've got a real winner, so in general I think that's a great guideline to be judging you other work, and also your own work you know. Does this thing has sense of designed is in a sense of context you know. Do I have an idea of where we're? This is taking place. Or what in what context is it taking place? Does it create emotion emotion, either in the photograph itself that evoke something in me, or does it make me me laugh or or you know? Get? Emotionally upset or whatever and the timing the timing is really sort of tied in with with all the others as well because the timing can be light in of the exact right light, the exact right moment the decisive moment and and I think that's a great way to judge, and that's how I'll be judging the photographs. You know you know. You can often tell the great photograph when you. When you see it right within you deconstruct it and you you're. You're absolutely fine at least two or three of those what? I just mentioned in that photograph. Mean you said wow, so either some sort of emotional impact that you had so you know emotions covered. Timing is more than likely covered Y- context is probably covered, and may or may not have designed in there, but Cardio Brisson said a great photograph has to have a sense of geometry and I try to remember that when I when I see. Something I think it's also important to keep in mind for those a our listeners who are are planning to enter in our maybe WANNA. Start Thinking about photographs and as when you do, turn your stuff. Keep something in mind that this diet that Craig was just mentioning. It is really good. Criteria, because quite often, and this is something we're all guilty of is that we take a picture that we had to go through a lot to get, and it's amazing that we're able to even take able to get the picture that came out that it was sharp, and that alone is exhilarating. The picture itself to somebody who doesn't know the background story might just be. Be. Adult patients so don't get confused about wow I actually got this picture to. This is a good picture ill, because sometimes the background story is it's it's in your head, but the view doesn't get that. And when you submit when you look, be objective, not subjective. Look at the pictures and say would I look at this picture I stop in my tracks at this. Thought a great thought. Wonderful advice everybody should listen. To. All right Craig it's been absolutely wonderful. Talking to you work is delightful. And you and you talk about your work. Equally well, It was a great conversation I've people want to see more of your work Where should they be going well? They can go always to Simet go com www dot sap, emmy. Tko, DOT com. They can also catch me on instagram. At MEDCO and currently I think we mentioned earlier. You can see some of my work that I'm doing while under lockdown here If you go to the like of blog at leave, it's like A. Hyphen blog. and Go to corona diaries. That's that's what I'm shooting so I didn't even use the hyphen I wrote like a blog and boom there it was I went down to the bomb, Croon, of ours, clicked in there was your eight is simple. Get, and it's also a Q. and A. and they're also. You talked about your work. It's not just pictures so that. That adds value to it. Craig. Thank you so so much! We look forward to seeing you choices in the photo contest again. Rules will be at the end of this episode for the moment. We're going to take a short break Craig. Thank you so much for joining us when we come back. We're going to be speaking with Ashley Stall Stay. Tuned. We hope you're enjoying this edition of the H photography podcast? The best way to support the show is by subscribing on apple podcasts Google podcast, spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts for links to gear and more information on today's guests. Check out the show and your. APP or visit our homepage on the beach explorer website and joined the B. N. H., photography, podcast, facebook group, and now back to the show. Okay we are back. Ashley Stall is a photographer and the publisher and Co founder of Peanut Press, which she began in two thousand, fifteen, her first book Chart Vega went on to become a viral sensation and a multi award, winning book, The book, a look at her youngest son, clearly a big Fan of star, wars, but also a child who has a visual impairment that brings with it disadvantages, but as Ashley notes his impairment allow to see the world in a unique way, Ashley. Second Book Days in years also takes children as it subjects, and I'd like to record from Ashley Really. Really touched us. There's a saying that all portraits are really self-portraits. So what a portraits of kids their purchase of a parent I take pictures of my kids. And if you look closely, you'll also see Nian there my worries. My fears might tempts to correct problems of my own childhood, my heart and my struggles. Ashley now Leonard Experienced Fellow Photographers Designing and Publishing Award winning books through Peanut Press. Her work has been exhibited extensively, and she's lecturing on photography and bookmaking the number. Foundation Columbia University George Washington University and SP national, welcome to our show. Ashley so good to have you here how? Much of your work, folks on the intimacy of your family you're you're almost the ideal photography to be judging our current Leica photo challenge, which is all about photographing life during the shutdown, so it's so at that question. What did he been doing during the quarantine? However even shooting is is it changed the way you're interpreting your family or just? Bring us up to speed? What's happening? Well we have been locked down I. Think we're on day eighty something. Like a lot of parents i. feel like I'm running a school out of my house. This is not the way my daughter expected to finish her freshman year of College from her Parents House. You know from her bed. We are just trying to keep everyone spirits up and feeling good and hanging around the house and keeping it interesting. Photographing I am I. Am you know a lot of people have talked about? At the beginning of this, there was this kind of movement of you know, get stuff done. Be Productive and then I think that's turned into like. Take care of your mental health. Don't put pressure on yourself. Yeah take a breath if you can't their days. I can't take pictures in their days. I do it just it is what it is. It's all fine. But I love seeing. That? There's so much more work coming out from people who don't normally photograph their families or you know if they do not really considering part of their art. And I I love seeing people. sharing more of their daily lives and more about their families. I love personal work like that. He's a question for you came to talk. After working in the sciences and in Web design What what was your path? Because it's it's funny. How many photographers we speak during the show that comes from industries that seem to be reliable insensible, and they'd come photographers, which of course is the most illogical thing to do for living? But what was your path? What took you from? To the, You. Know it's weird. It's like they were two separate paths. Entirely. I come from a family of sort of amateur photographers. spent my childhood looking at our family. Photo albums might uncle who took a lot of our family. Pictures was a you know built a dark room when he was on. A I've always loved photography, but that's not. It wasn't a thing. I was going to do with my life. Then I I had kids and my husband and I agreed. You know that I would stay at home and raise the kids. And, it's really hard to go from having a fulltime job to stay at home with kids. It's hard to stay at home with kids in general. than. It was kind of trying to find ways to amuse myself. And I started photographing them, and learning more about photography to educate myself taking workshops, and I started going out at some point, photographing skateboarding in Venice. And what was fun about that was that I would drop the kids off at school, and it felt like such an escape from my mom lights, which is kind of about serving other people taking care of other people. It was fun to go and hang out with A. TOTALLY DIFFERENT CREW! Do completely different and then come back and pick up the kids and go home and continue my life. Do you shooting with your kids at that point too when you would come home and Take measure subjects. I think I learned how to be a photographer by shooting. Anything but my family and then. I was able to come back. And SODIGRAF my family in a way. That felt like my photography, not just family snapshots. Somewhere. There's a line for me and it's I don't even know how to describe it, but there are. Pictures you take a parent. You know in front of the classroom with a teacher on the last day of school or Kids opening presents, or whatever and then there are. Photographs that speak to a little more of that the people relate to. That are kind of universal about parenting and Childhood. Absolutely is one of the things that you can kind of tell. How do I say this as you're taking it before you're taking it or do you need to kind of get the idea totally when you're talking about taking the pictures of kids opening the presents and the things that everybody photographs But how do you? Let's say there's something that's in between balance that. How do you draw the line and say you know what this is? This is part of my work, and this is just something. Put you know to show the kids when they're twenty. I think it's I think it's just instinct. I only like to show photographs that I. Think are great quality photographs photographs that I would put in a book. I think you have to judge photographs of your family. The same way you would judge any photograph I think you do have to be. Objective about it and it really helped me a lot to have someone that edits my work. who is my business partner? David Carroll. Who has a great eye for this knows. My family knows what I'm trying to say. and to me it also just to be a good photograph. I have to stand behind it like anyone would stand behind the L. Landscape are still life for any kind of portrait. It has to meet all those qualifications. There's a phrase that always sticks with me. And we were speaking with Craig he and we were talking about the same the same idea and I mentioned it, but it goes something along the lines of you know a good photograph has to be. Better than the thing you're photographing and that's something that always sticks in the back of my head when when I when I take a picture, you can take a picture of anything you know, but yeah, that's it's an interesting idea. Because like I was saying it has to say something more than just the my kid and I think that's what happened with my first book tweeter, which was such a surprise at. What's what's the success it had you know it was written up? It's sold out in two weeks. It it really I had no idea this would happen but I think there was something universe saw. In the work and something, even if you don't have a kid with a disability, something about the frustrations of being child and having no control over your life. I think a lot of people related to that, so I'm I'm not paying attention to that when I'm shooting, I'm just shooting. You know I'm I'm not that calculated of a photographer so I take pictures when I see them and I sort them out later. And kids kind of part of the collaboration process, DUDE! Yeah, they really have to be because. As much as I'd. Like to get them in their natural state, they're aware they're being photographed. and I don't ever want to take advantage of that privilege that they let me do that. I have one son who really doesn't like to be photographed and I'm. As respectful of that as a mom can be. So. A lot of people think I, actually only have two kids but I three. Am I two boys Litho. There you know five years apart, but they look alike so everybody just thinks they're Sarah Charlie also take. One day you know how come you never took pictures Niemann. My siblings I keep saying that to him. I'm like I WANNA. Take your picture, so you know you have these memories you can see I want them to be sort of equally represented in my work that I put out there. He just doesn't want it. Hanging I can't argue with him I'm not a I'm not a photo journalist. This isn't like a story. I have to cover. My first job is as their mom. And so I I try to be as respectful as I can all the time there's. There was time when I. Was Really Young, and he had a leading to. This is my youngest. He had a blade in the bathroom. Just like a murder scene is sitting on the toilet like his nose is bleeding and looked at it I so wanted to take the victor and I said okay. Charlie I'm only gonNA. Ask you once and you get say now can i. take this picture and he just mellow. And I put the camera. But. It was good was a good one to say no push that shuttering. Getaway. NOPE Not That Say. Yes, he didn't so I'm just going to act on my own. That's all because sometimes I'll ask and and ask him and ask him and wear him down, but I couldn't do at this time. It's an interesting dynamic. That's for sure. As they've grown older. They have they kind of been more appreciative of the work or do they get a little more impatient? I think so. I think it I think it depends on their mood. Daughter really had a solo show at like a in New York, which was amazing and my daughter came with me to that show. And I think she really loved people recognizing her as the girl you know on the wall. And She shares my work with her friends and. I think she really gets it and she's old enough to get it. I know there was a minute when trophy. When? Charlie thought he was pretty famous, so that was awesome. Yeah I, think they. You can I think. My kids can appreciate it also sometimes not want to be photographed. You don't WanNa be someone subject at all times when you're. In your home, true true, and it's interesting what you said about the back and forth between shooting at home, and then going out and shooting. Skaters and and I think a lot of us need that. You know you need the to type of dynamics to make both of them successful. but I wanted to ask because you did kind of start from a another career and you know. Did you take time to study photography? As it were like? In terms of history, photography and photographers, you might be interested in and. Or was it. Is it really just Kinda of shooting from the Gut and that's a? But a little bit of both. I. Didn't go to school for Photography I've learned about the history of photography on my own. And I continue to I think that's something everyone should do. At the same time I. Take pictures the way I take pictures I'm not trying to emulate anyone there. There isn't a lot of work out there. About family. And that's that's something I'm actually trying to change liked to talk about I actually started in instagram called the days in years project. And the goal is to feature. Photographers that photograph their family and also Let. Everyone know that the photographers that you know in love also photographed their family in the last fiction. The Americans is Robert Franks kids. Unilever freelander photographed his family all the time like all these. Photographers that you don't think of. Says being. Who Photograph Their family, of course they did. If you can't do photograph your kids. I read that in incredibly good point, and and you're right. You look through the body of work of all the greats and their families in their their spouse or their significant other. Yeah, it's just A. You can't escape it really and I think it's an I love that the project I'm GonNa. Actually has a few my photos now with. Great A. How'd you get to like them? Because the did you kind of go? Through all the other systems that people tend to do before they get to the best in a not I. Don't like a Ellen. You can jump because I know you, but it is the best allowed to say that okay. So it to us about how you and also as Allen may add. How does shooting with with like a affect? The way you approach is subject in this case, kids. Well the thing for me is the the cameras shouldn't get in the way of taking a picture so i. I. Liked to shoot film, I've started more recently to shoot sloth. US Mostly M. For Film and like Cue for digital, which is great because that has really let me. Get a lot more pictures that I would miss with film. You know for in the house if it's dark, kids are always moving fast. The digital has really helped me have another mode. in quarantine I've been shooting digital because I I don't WanNa. Go draw film. Wait for it to come back. Ten WanNa see what I'm getting but I I. I got my first like an m six About, the time I started shooting translator. So all of that book is shot with. Either I think it's all with an m. six and maybe twenty four millimeter Lens. Twenty four twenty you using a meritless DSL or cameras prior to this before we flew. Ahead a Canon. What was it a one d? and. That's fine, but it's a IT'S A. It's a big heavy thing. And I had My husband's highschool from his high school like Photography Class A, cannon eighty one. and. When I got the LEICA. It. It's just so simple it's. You know you don't have to worry about film speed because that's your film. You just have aperture shutter speed like that's it. It's it's simple. There's no menus to get away. There's nothing. It it works for my brain and I think everybody has to find the camera that works for their brain in their hands. Because when things are happening quickly. You don't WanNa. Be fussing with the camera. So now I, can you know? Can you get to the point where you can operate your camera? Without thinking about sent? An average should be transparent to you, she asked. There's nothing between you and your subject. As soon as you still have to have to start thinking about menus, and that's it. It's blown it and you don't out like it's different. Exactly for me, it's even even zooming I. Don't want to Zoom I. WanNa know. I WANNA. Know the the with of my Lens, and I can move my feet without thinking you know I can frame it just right That's why for me it's. It's basically one camera one lens to me. There's no difference really between. The Q. In the M six. It's all sort of the same hand movements. It's all the same. Process so they don't get away so using twenty eight millimeter Lens recent mentioned a twenty four so that the optically your m six and you? See the same basic field. Yeah I really do prefer the twenty four, but the q twenty eight, and that's fine. I'm the same way by the way twenty five twenty four. That's my focal length. Twenty eight is okay if he can't weasel your way to a wider, but I agree with you about that, but once you using the Q it doesn't matter. The camera just flows. It is so good. Oh, it's great. It's really great. Yeah I. It's funny. How just a couple millimeters makes a difference. I started off with the twenty one and that was way too wide for me. You know then tried the twenty eight. That's okay. Kits are I always say I photograph at the across the table distance, so some of the twenty four is is right for that. My family like we're always eating always sitting across the table and that sort of the distance. My kids are from me. So the the twenty four is the right amount of. The if you shooting with an m camera. That also helps you you're you're the distance you work from because effect, they don't focus close about a eighteen years to feed is the average close focusing with a range finder? one of things I love using I. Have a an ten monochrome I've been using is that I can put other lenses on that with adapters could shoot with macro lenses, and all this stuff and I still using it as a a murless camera DSL are. The finder on it I, T t l viewing, and I could focus down to a couple of inches with right lens, but again if he's Em six the distance you're working for with that length that that would really ideal. It's natural street photography business that's. Definitely street photography on my kids. And do you I mean? Do you have a process when you shooting the kids in the sense that okay? Today's Day I'm Gonna I'M GONNA I'M GONNA shoot my kids. Or shoot the family. No, not at all. It's like there's there's a camera sitting around on the kitchen counter. And maybe we're all going in the backyard. Kill bring with me. Maybe something will happen. Or we're going somewhere to do something in upbringing it with me. We're going for a drive or going to the beach whatever? And have you thought about other families like the? Could apply I. mean based on what you said in. Be Hard to see but Do you think you could, or you even want to you know shoot another family, or or immerse yourself in kind of an intimate group, and then take it from there. It's really. I think that could be really hard I'm. It's such A. Personal Emotional Project for me. that. I? It's it's hard to extrapolate that to someone else's family. I, I'm trying to expand what I do. To encompass. All sort of my family and chosen family friends and family around me. Because I I love showing that, too, but it's I'm much more happy and comfortable when I'm photographing people that I have personal connection with. And how do you feel? How do you apply that idea when you're shooting skateboarders yeah I haven't photograph skateboarding in a while for no reason other than I just haven't been able to do it, but what was. What was fun initially when I was photographing in Venice? Also, Cuba was getting to know the guys. and. When they have a certain level of confidence in you in your work than they invite you in more, you can get more access. it's it's fun to get to know them. It's a better. Point to shoot from. going on these trips to Cuba. Was Really Fun to get you know like I was driving Carpool last week. And now I'm in Cuba running after skateboarders, it's it's a great switch up for life. I WANNA ask a question about the contest. That's coming up and maybe get your thoughts on. Again what you're shooting or how maybe what? You're shooting different during the quarantine and you know what you would like to see in terms of the photos that are submitted in what you may think is. Interesting to you or or quote unquote a good photo. Well! That's a good question. A good photo is a good photo, so. When I'm looking at any kind of photography whether it's. Family or something, personal portrait street photography landscape starving. I judge it the same. When we're specifically talking about a contest involving Personal and family photography. What's around you in this quarantine? I think all those same rules apply, but I I love seeing people show their personal relationships I love. Talking to people and get to getting to know their stories. I think it's the same with. Personal photography! You know I wanNA. Know about people I want people to show. What's going on in their life? This is such a strange time I. Almost, see it like a historical documents. You Know I. Think we need to be able to show someday what? People did how survived and how they related. In this time. So I don't know I just want. I want people to get personal. I love that. That's great. Ellen, do you have anything else? You WanNa am black and white only. I should black and white. Only that's just me. I love all kinds of. But for me, it really. It helps me see the feeling of what's going on. I think I think a lot of times. Color photography for me can be about the color, and I want it to be about more than that. I want to be about helping relates yeah absolutely. I get that I've. I've been primarily color photography forever and the past year I've heavily back into monochrome, black and white, and for the same thing just find that it's more of essence. I love 'cause nothing like could spot a read in the large field, white or something like that, but good, black and white is good, black and white, and it just it holds up. It's it's good, or it's bad, no gimmicks. Yeah for me. I find the color to just be distracting in a lot of cases, and there's a lot of great color photography out there I know. Photographers love to have these arguments like what's better than this camera this. Color versus black and white foam versus digital I. Think it's great, but it's it's all just what works for you and for me, black and white. Let's me say what I want to say. Yeah I love Pizza, but I don't Wanna eat it every day. It's the same deal right right. Here a New Yorker she likes that's right, but it's GonNa. Be a good. That'd be good. They reopened yesterday by the way, so there is hope. Okay, ask thank you so much for joining us today. It's been terrific talking with you. If people want to follow you work where can they go to well? My website is Ashley Stole. Dot Com. On, instagram. Which is Ashley Leo? Stole? And my books are at peanut. PRESS BOOKS DOT com. Okay. This information will be in the show notes along with samples of you work and thanks so much for joining us stay safe in keep shooting. Same thanks so much for having me okay. The moment you've been waiting for after much anticipation, we are excited to announce the be nature talk of podcast like a photo challenge to thank our loyal listeners maybe reach out to some new subscribers and inspire some safe creativity during these challenging times. We're excited to bring you this incredible photo contests in which one lucky listener is gonNA receive their very own accu- to digital camera. If you're like us, which no doubt many of you are. You've already been taking pictures during the shutdown and if you haven't been shooting, it's definitely not too late to start i. say this because for this contest we're looking. Looking for pictures taken specifically during this time pictures that reflect the challenges, or perhaps a few slice of joy during this current pandemic related shutdown with you've spent this difficult time in the company of your loved ones. We have been separated for them. As many of us have many of us have used our cameras to find solace, and maybe a bit of understanding of the world, we now live in judging based on subject matter, overall composition, creativity and post processing. You can include caption to go along with the picture, or if you don't want to, you don't have to now. We are not encouraging, nor we consider images taken in public places entry. Entry. Photos must be taken inside or near your home indoors backyards front yards all okay, don't do anything silly. Don't do anything dangerous. Here's how the contest is. GonNa Work Step One? If you have already rate and subscribe to the beach photography podcast on apple podcasts, I tunes Google play Stitcher or your favorite podcast, APP, and if you already subscribed congrats, you're halfway there. Okay? Step to now that you subscribed head on over to twitter and follow at like a camera. USA and post one that's one photograph with the Hashtag be h photo podcast LEICA that's hit! The Entry Period is may twenty eighth, twenty, twenty through twenty, first twenty, twenty and again. Again the grand prize is a like acute to digital camera. I shot with the key to fixed crazy shop. Similar twenty eight millimeters feerick, it opens up too fast. F. One seven, and it focuses now to a few inches from the front element of forty seven Megapixel full frame simos sensor at it is an amazing amazing camera. The judges will be like a photography's Craig some NETCO. Ashley Stall and yours truly check. The show notes for a link to everybody's bio and samples of their wonderful work. 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