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Mini Crush #174

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Hey everybody welcome to many crush monday. charles chuck bryant here. Your co host along with noel brown also co host together make one host allow chuck we morphed together to make one gelatinous blob of a here human. Yeah sorta like that movie the thing. Yeah we are the thing. Exactly 'cause we don't kill people. Now live people up we entertain them. We talk movies to them all that good stuff all that good stuff no As per usual this is our second where in fact we have already caught up so we can kind of get right down to business as true as they say and you go. I got a little surprise for you. Know okay because i managed at the last minute guest in because we haven't done pop quiz hotshot in a while and Just invited this person and as usual. We do a little surprise for you. You don't know who's coming. I don't and just sent the invite so we can kill time for a second till they get the invite and pop into the room and our hopefully already recording. Otherwise we're going to have to take this all again and fake it like or we could just drop. Yeah i i see what you're saying. You fake fake. The my surprise. Yeah like that's my worst nightmare as if someone pops in the room and we have that organic moment where you don't know who it is and then they say oh. I'm not recording. But here they are all you ready. Hey i'm reading. Admit them into the room boy. The suspense is killing me. Killing me chuck of the same for you as it is for me. I'm the one experiencing the suspense right. Now Okay so why is this person not in. Oh hello hey man. I thought it was gonna be famous death famous now all right guests. Oh my god. It's one of my favorite human beings in the entire world. Alex williams who composed this theme. That's on a different show. But he did and they say his name at the end of every episode of ridiculous history because he composed that theme. Okay so let me clear this up because you already fucking confusing everybody Just alex people know from the past. Edward episode right. Alex is one of our colleagues who by the way. If you don't look like kadhem. John lennon right now. I don't know who you look like does worst people to look like. I guess i literally. I've let my because you look just like you've got the long hair and the stash the round circle. I would do if. I could look like that i would do. I would always have that. Look you guys. Want to start a beatles cover band yes alex. No more bands bro. i look like no beadle. I'm giving alex shit. Because he and i play a little music band. That's what they call them when you're cool With our other buddy and colleague and dear friend of the show and the network matt frederick and A couple of other music side things. But alex has been in like just me. He's like starting bands left and right so he's off no more bands. I used to get mad. Every time i joined another band. So for now Alex just say this louima popular than jesus. Christ wow no now he got flack for that when he said. I'm not going anywhere near that one man So listener you might remember also and we plug this on the show quite a few times. Alex talked about it on his ed wood episode. That you are the creator and doer of the great great podcast ephemeral. Who is just a which has just launched season two and We're having you on to talk about that a little bit and especially very special episode. That might really appeal to the movie. Crushers right yeah. Somebody calls me on facebook and said maybe there would be Some synergy between these two episodes but we just put out an episode about alice. Key hausky blush shaves her married name. Who is one of the first filmmakers ever and first female filmmaker and the only female filmmaker for like the first seventeen years of cinema. And it's it's it's a it's a. It's a new history of early cinema. It's a biography of her whole life. It's got a secret love story in it. That's incredible. I don't want to spoil anything. I don't i listen to the first fifteen minutes a day when you send it to me because i had to get down here and do this but i can't wait to finish it later today. It was already in these ephemeral. such a good show. It's everything. I like about podcasts. As sort of a dare. I say sort of maybe a little more. Npr's style show than we usually do the network full of twists and turns and great stories. It's part ninety nine percent invisible in a way But it's it's it's human related human stories. It's really really great. Thanks next lands. Also beautifully sound design and set. Alex is a super talented musician. And you got a cool little team of folks working with you now including your your brother who the new a producer for ridiculous history of which you can post a theme. Thanks for my flesh. Inbred blood brother. Max williams than Trevor young who's done things like monster. Dc sniper and all kinds of trevor was on the show maximum. Mike eventually and yeah. They're helping me produced it. Which is really nice. Because i did it all by myself for a little while with some help beatles reference from georgia and fall in ringo. I meant to mention this to you completely unrelated to you being here in the second. But i was looking through apple podcasts. And he's looking at the different little collections they have and they have a trending. Section and ephemeral is in the trending set are trending browse take a trend. Sure thank you. I can't believe how much you looking like john lennon. This is really striking. Amazing thing to be able to do you to go over the organ play. Imagine or something yes. I said that we're on a company on like definitely a guy called out for i. I should be offering things like this. If i'm not if i'm not rehearsed well you just drop it in every now and then just very subtle. You'll be like we're guys. Imagine there's no heaven in just see what people know possessions and a religion too. I you know the only person i can look like his kevin smith. And that's it. It's not fun and the only person i look like is brian looking like kevin smith not fun either by meeting a hockey jersey anytime soon. That's fair. he looks weird now that he lost all that way and i mean i'm happy for him but it's just it's hard for me. It looks like he's still wearing the same size close. he's just kind of withered underneath them. A little bit. Well i'll tell you what he's he's very inspiring with his Taking his health under control. And so i am completely agree. Yeah we just covered mallrats on this very show miles away but that was fun. I got to listen to that. One miles is great man. he's so much fun. I didn't realize there was so much crossover. There were a lot of movie. Crushers were Daily zeitgeist fans and so it was pretty cool. I'm going to have jack on soon. Reserved pulp fiction for jack. So he's gonna come on loud action. No saying it's a good one. It reserved for somebody. I gotta say really quickly. Because chuck and i talked about this I'm really excited. Because i don't really guess on ton of podcasts but Others one that i listened to called pod yourself again. That's the sopranos podcast. Oh that's right now what everyone. Yeah and We'll jack and on a host may have been guests on it. And i found sugar because i was just mid sopranos re re watch that i do every year so and i was like i mean some supplementary sopranos content so google or looked at apple podcasts and that came up and it's great. It's dues matt. Lebron vince manzini and their These comedians from l. a. And clearly in the same circles as on on jack and miles because they both been guests on it a couple times. I literally just reached out to on today. Could you maybe like connect me with these guys. I want you know. Put my hat in the ring to be a guest and she did and they immediately. We're all about it. And i'm going to be episode one of season five. Which is divorced. dad. Tony when And also the season where his is cousin told me blend. Detto played by steve. Shammy comes into the picture. So i get to be episode one of one of my favorite seasons. I'm really excited. I'm recording in a in a week. But i don't know when it's going to come out but i'll i'll let you know when i find out that's amazing got to do that. You've got to reach out in life. Sometimes you gotta do it. you know. Just imagine it's easy if you try. I know i do that and usually is the time for defense organizations to harness the power of the cloud is now discover how you can leverage milk cloud two point oh and diaz to advance your mission at par three of gd it emerge twenty twenty one tune in virtually on june twenty third to explore. How cloud enables mission partners to modernize it platforms and integrate new technologies anytime anywhere here from top leaders in government and industry to discover how dod enterprise cloud such as milk cloud two point. Oh and dios can drive speed of acquisition collaboration and choice register today at gd dot com slash emerge. Fifteen minutes could save you. Fifteen percent or more. is that shakespeare. No it's gyco i. Yeah that's shakespeare from one of his published works to be not for awakening. Ma give the berries for fifteen minutes. Could save you fifteen percent or more no. It's from geico because they help. Save people money. I hate to break it to you but geico got it from shakespeare geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more all right so alex you do not know anything about this game that we play here did show. Is that many of this morning. It was like hey you wanna come a movie christian. Play a quiz or something. Yeah and you said when i said how about like an hour he said sure what am i doing. Excite from just composing beautiful beatles tunes exactly All right alex. Here's how it goes is called pop quiz hotshot. There are ten questions in three inches per for a total of thirty points Partial credit is allowed. So if you get. It's basically like named three movies that feature blank know Jack nicholson and then in ten seconds. You have to name three. Jack nicholson film timed time. That's the whole rub here my friend. She had all day to sit around. Think about this so It will trip up even the best player like the casey's of the world get very confused. I'm better off bad. yeah But you get credit credits. If you get like one or two you still get. Those points. Were total of thirty. I would say that. The biggest tip that i could give you is don't overreach. Don't try to go for the most obscure pick. Just go for like the most obvious. I'm gonna like whatever comes to your mind be struggled literally say anything i can think of to take your baby. That's the ticket And all is our scorekeeping. All can you. I mean good. Lord we always go through it with your i mean let me make a spreadsheet real quick here f one point one point prancer already points total for the points. Total thirty question. I will keep ticking for. Just hash marks wriggled you know. Make four five. Were doing a bit a bit where i'm bad at keeping score. Also the other bit we do is we have to pick out the ending timer. Sound so what should we go with. No how about the clack son you know. What is that called psycho lineup alarm. Black son in law. I don't know. I don't have glad alert. The enterprise is going down all right. You're just making stuff up now. John lennon's that wants to cheerful. That was pretty good. Already blade runner yelich do that later on called pods. Make everybody cosmo all right here. We go alex in one your mind in ten seconds name three movies with the word death in the title starting now f and not one death becomes her as murder by death dead man. That doesn't say a band called death. Documentary got all right. I'm going to give that to you because you started saying it as the timer sounded so no death inc is a movie okay but let me give you three okay. That's how the game works. Good job by the way. Death is one of my hot topics band called. death is supposed to be. I haven't seen it yet awesome. You guys need to see it. It's on my. It's on my list. All right question to upwards hotshot williams later of ephemeral and instant karma the name three movies starring or even featuring matt damon starting now could will hunting billion movies. There's one cold cherry that's got him in it. That the film so many moves blanking two to three ten seconds. That was him seconds. Short amount of time it is. It's also goes by faster when you say things like. Yeah it's a movie cut van. That was fairly well reviewed in the theater. Just cherry would be confusing. If i just said no. You don't save the commentary. This is not called pop quiz. Hotshot context no context needed one more matt damon movie former. Though i feel like a fool that i didn't know because he's like mister ripley. Talented minutes ripley. Born identity is that him been born at premacy calabash theft. That's right to threes goodman if you hang in there you're doing well or as meatloaf would say it ain't bad get three all right. Don't commit john lennon with meatloaf meatloaf is cool down with me love. I like me love. I mean he did some good work in his day. right through. it's true. And what was the thing. He wouldn't do love to anything but not the one thing we he never. Just the one thing is. I think it's probably anal woods. Says things are going downhill fast guys. Not whatever problem with that personally. But i don't think so either but you know actually. I think i've told the story in knoll. Knoll knows this. A little bit When i lived in l. a. Alex i was friends with a guy who is dating meatloaf's wife's assistant and so i hung it meets house a couple of times when he i wanted to say i'm glad you said that. Take people call him. Midday me at me was was weird. You know it was very traditional. Sort of colonial. Nothing fancy but i I mean it was a nice house and everything but it wasn't like palatial estate in the end of that story which i always tell is that. He backed up his backyard to steven seagal back yard and if he stood up on the thing you could see into it and steven seagal had all these little asian What are they called. Not orga pagoda. Sure asano said. Don't forget it's all over the property. Stevens also he he. He's also famous for like wearing komo knows with nothing on underneath and leg rubbing in front of women using backyard. I didn't see them again. All right number three now and we're going you're doing great pop quiz on jet in ten seconds name. Three movies directed by a woman. Starting now i'm gonna say ski. Bless shave folks. Sticky woman falling leaves the consequences of feminism thorough short silent films for like the first ten years that counts right. We will not only. Does that count. I think you did her justice. No shit and That was clearly loaded for you to talk a little bit more about your show sort of here for right now. That was fantastic. Name one other movie by one. That's not her one other movie directed by a woman. That's timer involved. You know what. I just saw. That was really good. I don't remember the name of the woman off the top of my head. Honey boy kyle. Buff wrote about his pretty good movie. It's tough man. But i i watched him interviews with her name is alma. Haro l. h. a. r. with the little and then e. l. a. Probably not pronouncing that right but yes. She is from tel aviv israel. What else has she done. she did some. I think some kind of hybrid documentary sort of things before and they had collapsed. I think maybe he he'd produced a couple of projects with her i. I don't know that much about it yet. But honey boy really left an impression on me. I see i see more more work. Yes she she hasn't done a ton of like big mainstream but she's done a lot of music videos. I think is one of these music video people. Yeah she's a music video for beirut like siga rose your water paul smith. I don't know who placement right but not for the beatles that's right it's working to should hire next time okay. You're doing great. How many get there. No he got all three right george. He got all three all right in ten seconds. Pop quiz with alex williams of ephemeral name. Three direct to'real debuts first films from directors starting now her carly's carnival souls what i can think of. That's right i is only one. I never been one out of three one out of three. You got on the board. We don't wanna may not be doing an ephemeral episode on that too spoiler alert from nineteen sixty two ads. The classic kind of be maybe drive in horror movie. The is a guy that made he worked for the central inc making Like educational industrial films for like thirty forty fifty years and he made one horror film inc. Real thing that's not a movie like john was like a kansas based like coronet films that made like social guidance and we're encyclopedia encyclopedia. Britannica films social guidance. Classroom education films driving safety film. Stuff like that and Centrum was kind of the educational film company with a heart his One of our interviews. Ben bowen is a big fan of carnival of souls. He speed talks of often. I've heard it and folks this banter that. You're getting from alex's Which you get from federal. Because alex knows a lot about these stories and that's what ephemeral is about. Are these stories. Lost a time little known stories from From real human beings in it's It's good stuff. I love it. Oh my goodness there is one of the i if you look at his. Imdb a lot of these educational films are listed And one of them is called touch child. The you got be careful with. Imdb on folks like that because with silent films educational films and all these kind of fringe film. Filmmaking genres does not a whole lot of accreditation especially for earlier stuff. says on credited like a lot of these sash. Imdb's really unreliable for for those folks. So he might have done that when he might not have his most famous. One is probably shake hands with danger which has got a great song in it. It's got a great rift tracks Of a mystery she worry. That is great. I love it all right. Training film for those who operate and repair heavy famous for accident films. And you really see that in carnival of souls. Blood spills read on the highway. That it's good stuff driver's ed movies. That scared the shit young drivers all right. You're doing great. So far buddy Number five naming three movies featuring any kind of violent onscreen death starting now screen like pulp fiction. Yes conflict not onscreen all right. I got a child. You a little bit. Because i need to just say things sat one was so easy i know. I don't know it's a blanking now. Name any war movie name any move featuring a murderer any horror movie and watch the wire man so many final onscreen a constant constant right dice rolling in that. Show two one out of three. Is that right or do we You can give it was carnival souls double up on current really cheap shot. Okay all right. I got to say. I think you're letting time affect you here. If you're blanking filing onscreen drink more drink more coffee okay. You're doing fine all right number. Seven jet with williams of ephemeral named three movies featuring any nonviolent onscreen death starting now death what about the big lebowski what happened superstorm. In the big lebowski council heart attack article has a heart attack you see him clutch his chest and then he fought for one accountability and then contextual follow ups all right that counts one out of three three three more to go here. Oh my god. Mario question number eight hour marathon papas. I'm sorry. do you want to leave. Bring it sounds kind of a show leg wait wait. Don't tell me. I would get all the answers or but within like i'm a yeah. Thanks our number eight pop quiz hot jordan in ten seconds named three movies with any kind of plot twist starting now like all those oceans films ocean's eleven films okay. Okay three of those the ocean's eleven twelve and thirteen Jeez i gotta count it. I think it should. I think he should get it integral to the heist movie to have a sure. Rick and morty episode where they talk about how terrible plot device that is once you take it to the degree where ever. There's always someone in on in on the plot higher right. Yeah so he's all right. Center cannot hold bit of a hack. But i'll take it all right. Two more alex williams in ten seconds name three movies featuring male nudity can be but or p p starting now a clockwork orange. Right i gotta say you're really. You started strong getting accepted Saving is sarah marshall accepting ryan. Would you say no saving ryan's privates. I was looking at pictures of john. Lennon and yoko ono naked together the sporting for what it's worth fairly those appear in some documents. The documentary. Imagine you could probably you were in that you showed your but in your in several photos one of the back and one of the front all right. What's the score here going into the last one We got three two three one two one. Three one must add up to three four fifteen fifteen time right. I doing better than that person did. No we've done this quite a few times during the quite poorly. You're your. I mean i tell you if you get eighteen you'll hard immature real hard Go for this one. Very mellow guy though. This isn't time two games aren't for you. I say safely. Nick in ten seconds for the final question unless williams of ephemeral. Find it wherever you get your podcast. Thank you real. Human stories about things lost the time name. Three movies filmed in black and white. After the color era had begun. Airing now ed wood tango mullen noce okay because since. I don't know what that is at the reunion film and then tangles. Bela tarr film and it would. Tim burton film. Look at you. I could list. I could list a racer now racer ahead or like sure and man. Hey this is very give you a point. I can do black and white films. What did you say after what they the color era actually the wizard of oz is kind of like the perfect split of both of those because it was like on tarkovsky stalker. That's when we're just color and sepia black and white. hey guys. this isn't black and white. Talk with nolan alex. Can we do that. i can do all day. That's now you finally found my matt damon movie but black and white cinema of the modern era. All right well that's fantastic. I think you ended up with eighteen out of thirty. There have been better. And there've been worse okay. I didn't know there's going to be so much judgment involved in this game but we got to judge the harsh amer of the movie. Crutch audience has come up on your sweet moustachioed face. I'm gonna be getting constant emails. Chiding me for not knowing more male nudity films. That's the thing. The art of shaving and gillette labs are proud to partner with iheartradio in supporting. Can't cancel pride and the lgbtq plus community there. Also proud to support broadway cares. A nonprofit that celebrates and supports the craft of performing artists broadway and beyond the art of shaving crafts quality products for everyone's grooming needs inclusive of every gender and identity. Learn more at can't cancel pride dot com the time for defense organizations to harness the power of the cloud is now discover how you can leverage cloud solutions to advance your mission at part three of gdi t emerged two thousand twenty one to in virtually on june twenty third to explore. How cloud enables mission partners to modernize it platforms and integrate new technologies anytime anywhere here from top leaders in government and industry to learn how the cloud is evolving away. The dod defense assets supports the war fighter and gains tactical advantages registered today at gdp dot com slash emerge. All right alex. I tell you what you have your option here. You can either exit if you need to get on with your day or you can stick around for our final segment Up to you. i'm here man. Let's was the final segment like all right. Let's do it The final segment today is we're gonna We go over to the movie. Crushers page sim questions or to the movie crush page. Rather and today. I post a question. Alex and all that. I've never even done before very simply. If you are on movie crush what would be your pick. What's your all time favorite movie and ask the crushers that so Let's go ahead. And i think we got a lot of people sort of auditioning 'cause at some point. I'd like to have a listener on a guest. We just gotta make sure they can record themselves. And they don't freeze under pressure so easy in here so icy Let me see here. Let me filter this by all comments. What is most relevant even mean. I don't now algorithm nut relevant e- words based either. I have no idea it really is is a mystery to me. I think most relevant might mean like. If i'm facebook friends personally with someone at might kick them up on the list or something or if i have replied to someone who knows who cares facebook stupid reason i do. It is because of the show which is great. Nice little corner of the internet So we're going to go with don morris the movie away. We go underrated jim that i'd love to share with everyone. That was good movie. Did you guys see that. I never saw a way. We go and I think maya rudolph in japan. Chris inskeep if i'm not mistaken. Oh yeah a married couple. I think it was. Who's the filmmaker who did revolutionary. Oh that him. Yeah yeah mendez. Yeah think away. We go sam middays right. Yeah and yeah you're right kaczynski. In my rudolph off yesterday mendez very underrated movie written by dave eggers in the vin. De la vida. Dave eggers great. I like his Fiction let me see here austin handler. Whenever oh pow says the movie about time has such heart and so well constructed on all levels one of the few films. I consider to be a perfect movie. You're my little. I don't even know often. Do you watch movies chuck. The covering movie. I mean I mean we do a lot of tv these days. Obviously because there's so much good stuff going on. But i i try to squeeze in movies when i can It's been there have been a ton of great new movies over the past year. Obviously but i'm a movie what about you. Can i tell you what i just saw. The theatrics logan's run. Oh you're seeing that one sure. Where did they play that at the plaza here in atlanta. That's a movie with some nudity in it male. Nudity sir mail button it. There might be a boy but it's most it's mostly female nudity. It's it's a. it's a weird one. It's a pretty weird film. Yeah a good one now. It's the one with the gardening kind of like spaceship right into ship planet of the apes. Boy thing where it's like it's the world but we let it go to shit and there's a sort of bubble where everyone lives but you have to die when you're thirty and there and then they're like what if we don't and they and they leave and that's your movie. What if we don't die basically basically all right. Kristen glenn kissed her says Usually say excalibur but you did mention silverado. The and it's one of my favorite movies so now i'm torn Both of those are great excalibur. That was such a great movie to per kid my age like a sore the stone the different movie different movie but the same. You know. it's about that story. Is john bormann. yeah and it's very violent. It's got a lot of pretty raunchy stuff. And i remember seeing it when i was too young. Because it's like you think about an excalibur movie. You think of that almost like a kid story but then when you watch that treatment of it and my parents didn't know how ones so i kind of let that one slide under the radar but it's intense. It's got some head shop and some slash in the screen and it came out in the eighties when We also too young. His parents were like oh sure. King arthur gets it. They didn't know that was all that stuff in it. Yup great Margaritas saramago palaces parasite. Great movie love it Katie walker says my real favorite movie is original parent trap with hayley mills or the new live action. Cinderella lily james. But if our movie crush ed go with baby driver movie did you see that one out. I saw one of the baby just listed. I didn't see baby driver. Oh man you'd like that one. That's a good one speaking of that director edgar wright He's gonna do what we do in the shadows he doesn't have one coming out It is about the band sparks who i adore so much there that movie. Yeah they're they're they're abandoned like people don't really know they never really had a hit quote unquote. They had a couple under the radar heads but they started off very much like contemporaries with queen. Glam very prog glam and then they went totally sense. Wave and They've been making records all the whole time in their brothers and They're just excellence up yet about that. I so they just dropped the trailer for his narrative feature film Last night in soho which looks really interesting joel. Sort of kooky John rebounding horror film from not so nice. Love love him. A baby driver was great. I watch scott pilgrim vs the world last night that is my daughter's absolute favorite movie And it is just pure fun seeing that chuck which one scott pilgrim vs. Though short we covered that on this very show. Your daughter would love that. It's it's about age appropriate. There's a little bit more i mean. It's just a not even inappropriate but just a maybe little overhead heads. How old is your kid now check. She'll be six in july so she she's getting up there Been at duckworth. Says i picked. Joe versus the volcano. One of my favorite films. It is one of my favorite films to bennett. I don't know maybe. I should have you on the show. I have never seen that. Who's the lead in. That chuck is a tom. Hanks okay okay. I'm familiar with but i haven't. Is it a romcom. It is a very quirky weird. Sort of romantic comedy. but I in a very strange way. It's very offbeat and From john patrick. Shanley a wonderful playwright and filmmaker but It's it's i really like it a lot very strange movie with a big cult following now louis syllabuses rocky. I love the rocky but that first one man so good. I like the fourth one. The most. maybe we're rock where rocky defeats communism. Is that drago. They would stream stream. They would run them on. Tv like back to back on like foyer. Whatever they do a marathon all day of rocky and my brother and i would watch all of them. Just just start back over when it looped. I was a big rocky. Three guy mattress. Yeah just time. Clever lang and cogan was in. It is thunderlips. Yeah one stuff thunderlips in the flesh baby. A that was his big big line Let me see here. Let's go with. Amanda kula as hot fuzz. Let's just tick through a bunch of these. Because i don't have much time and i want to get through a lot of these Matt dense is three o'clock high. One of the most underrated comedies. The eighties Also a cult favourite. Did you guys see that one. Three o'clock high. Nope good movie very strange. Adjust tokyo says floors movie. He saw repeatedly as a kid. I think the movie crushers are a little more in my wheelhouse agewise. The new youngins algae. Now knox films from like the early lead I watch a silent films. Let early sound films. I'm thirty one. okay. Jesus thirty one. What a great age. But i'm just saying tasers kind of idiosyncratic. Yeah and now than reinforcing that by having a podcast that like courage me to like go back in time more like just makes me more and more out of sync with the with the everyday world. That's right the focus. Everyone the it's so good stuff basically with the danger of gail kuhn's one of my favorite crushers since you already said to a did jaws at with exorcist whom kunz you're speaking my language. They're joe kimber says shawshank redemption. I haven't even done that show yet. I'm surprised that movie. The president's pick that get busy living briquet busy crushing. Oh wow maybe that should be our new new thing. What's that if there was like a movie poster for movie crushed. That could be the tagline. I could see that. Qbc busy listener get busy crushing Let me go with my friend and real-life sarah murphy robertson says the goodbye girl. You guys should see it. If you haven't goodbye girls. Great movie. Sarah so maybe even have sarah on because i know her and she's wonderful. What's the goodbye girl. I made a bad joke when we were talking about gone girl. Goodbye girls richard dreyfuss Sort of a romantic comedy but a little more adult And not adult film like it. You know doesn't feature you know hardcore sex or anything full full dong but it's not like a teenage rom com. It's a little more adult. Ron come back when they made this link. Richard dreyfuss and let's finish up with our old friend. Kevin herbon says oh brother where art thou. Everything for escaped convict movies me too. I love olympic prison. Break and brother is a very very fun film but we got the island. Onscreen death that one. I've ever the John goodman walks in with iraq whether having lunch in the park yeah any any smashes that frog in that movie ni. I call that a violent onscreen death. Sure it doesn't mean to be human classified point. I think they'd kill cows to when they pick up The gangster he just shoots cows on the side of the rewrite brothers. Always fucking with animals. 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Almost Famous Minute 80: Complete Lack of Agency

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Almost Famous Minute 80: Complete Lack of Agency

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Crowe film almost famous. One minute at a time. I'm eric. Nash from watchmen. Minute i'm kander from amateur nerds and i'm christian swain from to much to announce it this decision Rotten mark eulogy deeper. Dig san rely teheran Two and a half shows aiba. Co-host of the rock and roll librarian And i am the ceo and president of pantheon media. Yeah thank you both for making it back a second time here. Thank you for having me back. Thanks very much. We passed the test of minute. Seventy nine Contra huzzah moving on to more deep. Talk then this one. This one's probably going to get a little bit deeper than the last one is all surface surface and jokes. and let's. Let's see the easter eggs. This this this definitely is a little crazy. Yeah yeah let's donkey day. Unless i just i just like saying it. I hope so. This is a minute. Haiti and it starts with dick gambling away. Penny and ends with russell explained that to william c. I right there on front street. I'm not sure how you can explain it but sure russell go ahead. Dick says it's the end of the very young. We barely get past heineken. The the last syllable that in addition to the thirty bucks in heineken. What have i think it was. I'll throw into the pot. Three lovely ladies including misspent lane and the famous bandits or of the famous bandits. It's a little muffled but totally sure. Well let's see store on three of them in. I'm not sure if that includes all of the bandaids Because i think there's more than three of them. But i had the same question because when we saw the plane in the last minute it looked like there were four of the bandaids getting on the plane. So yeah just yeah just exactly. Who's where when. Gosh oh my gosh. Because like a australia or estrella. Australia's star she had. She had to leave at one point. And that's kinda why beth from denver was brought in but she probably back into the fold now a bit possible or or could be could be another other girls to palencia. Palencia is the definitely's air. Anna pain right Sapphire on the plane. I don't remember her being on the plane. I don't she's usually the one i track. When the when the uh the band aid show up and by the way So anna penguin fruits balk balk and Bijou phillips is estrella star. Yeah right so. I mean All three still working actresses. Yeah and then the the fourth one. I just mentioned beth from denver. She's kind of more a yoga fitness percent now. How does olivia rosewood. But she has some great opening lines when she gets on the scene your oars purple or purple ride right. Oh very nice. Yeah so so additional. The line i was reading it then says ads on who have to leave the tour before new york so asks if ross is still okay with that i. I'm sorry. go ahead contra. Now i was just gonna say gets to the point that you were asking last minute of why now and it does really seem out of necessity that There's a time crunch and urgency to the bandaids moving on. Yeah i i think i picked up on something. Russell seems very uncomfortable. And and very intense on this transaction as it is being done And so it does sound like he in dick cooked this up ahead of time you know and now the moment is has arrived. Thomas like some real usual suspects or the staying kind of you know linus going on. They've that they're pulling this this caper off. You know now right right. Oh you mean selling women Into by a right only. Yeah some indentured servitude now. I definitely next minute. I come back with another take on that for sure. Because there's there's there's definitely some stuff Oh yeah said further on that you know. Maybe it's not as bad as we're gonna make it out to be your virtually. I think her on how you look at it. So let's let's with can't canada's Look on on this particular scene. Yeah yeah. Let's hear more from you. So because eric and i shut the fuck up nothing. I don't wanna be cancelled so russell and dick seemed to have cooked up. This plan penny seems to be aware of it. Based on later evidence right but she and the other band aids and she really is speaking for the band aids which. There's a problem in that too. That i'm not gonna go right now. But she loses the agency to say. I'd rather go with this band or you know. I like where this band is going better. I'd rather go to that part of the country. What have you. or maybe one of the like. She's enabling the allowance of these three or four you could redick's lightest three lovely ladies including miss penny lane as actually four people. So it doesn't seem to be the case with three lovely ladies in the custody of humble pie just a like right after he hands them over. Quote unquote But penny relinquishing agency puts her and her friends at such a big risk of endangerment that is so concerning but that's not even like that's a part of it but i think the bigger issue that i have in. General is the casualty of dick and russell. Betting away them. It is so reminiscent of you. Mentioned indentured servitude or in flat out enslavement of people and this issue still is such a pervasive problem throughout the world today with sex trafficking. That and we've seen this before. That they have. I was on for another very similar rant. that the band aids sense of worth is so much linked to their sexuality and they do seem to display some control over it in penny especially seems to control it better than the others but at the same time the fact that dick is a like is able to. Just be like okay. Well humble pie got some now. Because i had the wrong card. It's like i wonder if he would have just kept it on the table. If he hadn't like had he had the higher card in that in that interaction. What would have happened. It's like he needs. He needs to get rid of them. Regardless. and this is just as much on russell for trying to keep up a facade with this ex wife girlfriend that oh it's part of the tour and band culture and being on the road that i am allowed to be permits skuas and if that's like that's not anything against like people that are genuinely poly or into open relationships. It's more the idea of the hypocritical nature of russell in that. He's like oh. I have to pretend to be this thing when he'd rather not be in just the lack of honesty in a different relationship. That hurts our relationship that he obviously cares so much more about and that penny despite hiding it does actually care a lot about and just the endangerment of bandaids in general and it's like you have no idea who else could be going on tour with humble pie or if one of them had a history could it be. I'm really causing pass trauma There's just like this complete lack of agency over the band aids and the how freely they're just giving away it's like it's honestly insulting to sex workers to be like. Oh well you can have four people. Four fifty dollars a high Case heineken like that's also invalidating the legitimacy of sex work as an actual profession and hinders their recognition as there were having agency where the band aids. They're sold off without any agency so there. They can't even be considered professions and their love for the band is supposed to be enough and it's not enough obviously as they all show deep emotional disconnection to their lives throughout the movie and how they have to hide in other substances relationships emotional states of being all because they have no control. Which is one of the scariest things in. It definitely hurts. Individual people in lead them down certain paths that like good thing william was there when he was for penny later on in the movie. I'm not gonna go. They're not in this minute about like it's it's very scary. I appreciate the that this movie israel about that kind of stuff in the same way that like last time i was on william getting raped and That is just as much like recognizing that male rape is possible is just as important as recognizing that like these people have no agency here. Even if like pennies like yeah. It's fine whatever. It's obviously not fine and it let sends her down a path that is not good for her and here. I thought you were going to be upset that they got sold off to a second second. Pack like a humble pie to be honest. I wasn't like. I always skirt the line with this movie is. I'm not sure what's real and what's fake humble pie another stillwater. Liked by israel was real. Yeah i learned last minute when you were talking about. Okay real n peter. Frampton was actually in it. Yes and when he left. I was the end humble pie. So he was he was. He was the russell of humble pie And we had a guest Two minutes ago. I fellow pantheon member pakistan remember slum who indicated the wait. Was it even the week before crap. I'm getting confused. But but one of our recent guests indicated that fragrance and reminded me really. I mean you know something i know. I listened to the new person interview with marc maron. They've auntie wto that he indicated that this was based on a real scene. You know some band really did to bands roughly essentially or whoever address. What happened but have you a did exchange groupies Not surprising In the annals of rock and roll. I'm sure that happened more than once. it the Exposure of myself stepping into all kinds of shit Let me let me take a crack at this from a different perspective Nineteen seventy second wave of feminism Women are just Gaining their sexual awakeness An freely able to do so and Many of Women took that in to mean. Different things So having said that I think we can all agree that the band aids are loosely based on What was called the gto's Girls together outrageously Famously put together by frank zappa of Of these Groupies they call themselves and even today proudly call themselves groupies That then kind of formed a one album musical act But really their thing was Hanging with musicians The leader of the gto's Is pamela debar. I'm sure you both are aware of her. Oh yeah i definitely kendra. I think through some past research of this movie. The name has come up. But i'm probably rusty on that that's okay so Pamela has a show on our network. Ms pamelas pajama party. it has been said that penny is based on pamela debar and When i first saw the movie i did not know. Pamela debar I had read That there was some possibility because she had a pretty famous book. Come out in the eighties. I'm with the band And which she told her stories and she was excoriated quite a bit By writing that book because she proudly took responsibility for her own sexuality and putting herself into positions Not unlike what we see in the movie I don't know if she was Involved in in a actual trade But you know She chose to live her life this way along with the other. Gto's which there i think about seven of them and and then others came along of famous names of along with them who have written books in their their own way. in so And we see this in the movie. That the bandaids or the gto's if you want You know are doing more than just. They're not just sexual beans to to the rockstars. They're they're therefore all kinds of things yeah because it's the late sixties nearly seventy semi. You know even you know even the you know. The the far-left causes of the day the black panthers the weathermen or you know even the diggers In san francisco you know The men were the ones that went out and did the marching the speechifying and the women were the ones behind the scenes We hadn't quite greeted a more equal society that time And dumb and so women were allocated to certain roles but you know breaking barriers You know you gotta start with the lowest barrier first and then get to the higher ones as as as you go along and so what. I've i've gotten to a long short as i've gotten to know pamela debar over the last several years and when i first heard that Penny was based on her. You can see the similarity Definitely but cameron has maintained A position that she is an amalgamation of several people. And it's probably. There's some truth to that. But when i got to know pamela i realized. Holy shit she is I mean her personality her charm. There's some ethereal nece about her and kate hudson captured. All of that. And i believe kate hudson has actually said that you know. I devoured that book a used it. you know. I ripped out pages. I put him on my my trailer wall and And and that's what she based the character on. And if that's the case then what i might say is regardless of the the actual Trope of you know a card game. the girls first of all New what they were in for And and went along with it and that most of the is almost to a t. We're pretty cool guys. They they understood the situation there that that they this was a a a mutual Arrangement that You know could come and go which is a very common thing in the entertainment business. I mean you know you work on these these art projects. It's very intense can be very passionate can cause passions to rise and then poof. You're you're done you're gone and you go onto another project. You know famously. That's the way the movie business works and You know we've all read many Passages of of You know Screen couples becoming couples In may be only for the period of of that that That particular project And so we might look at it from that perspective a little bit and that maybe you know these ladies had far more agency. Then you know you would in a normal sex worker type of situation And that they could walk away anytime That they want and of course. Obviously that's not the case. One hundred percent of the time but by and large what i've read and what i've learned a by you know talking to those who were there that it was far more mutual Then than anything else You know regardless of this particular moment where you're actually having a card game you're actually you know selling Someone which you know does not Certainly doesn't work in twenty twenty Probably shouldn't have worked in two thousand and definitely shouldn't have happened even in the past Remove so so question to both of you Because i'm a little familiar with it in. Did those actually podcast. I was listening to today where i think that they couldn't think of the name of the movie Song of the south with the disney plus streaming and whether or not. It's on there right now. I don't know but now it's hot on but you know should i feel like there may be. There's another movie though that Yeah they've added the gone with the wind for. Yeah maybe maybe on. Hbo max with their collection But they've they've added. I think some kind of like a you know not not not so much a disclaimer. But like a educational so yeah. Hbo max has done that for not just like gone with the wind. They've also done that for a variety of them. Looney tune cartoons and disney plus has disclaimers in front of the aristocrats lady. And the tramp. Peter pan and a bunch of the old mickey mouse cartoons Basically they state that they recognize that the film's remained a specific and the company does not currently believed these values and recognize that they are wrong but enable in an attempt to educate people about these wrongs of the past and so history doesn't repeat itself. They're presenting them as they were originally created. That is not the case for fantasia. Which was the pastoral sequence was scrubbed in the seventies late seventies early eighties to remove two characters one of the most famous being sunflower. She was a zebra seder for dyonissis And then songs of the south was last released on vhs in eighty four. It's never been released in the united states sense Maybe not eighty four hours late. Seventies seventy seven somewhere around there And the company has stated. They'll never really sat in the united states. You can get a copy online. I've actually seen songs songs of the south. I'm a disney his amateur disney historian in my in my spare time. I'm sure i i've watched. At least most. I think i watched most of it when i was five. Ish i've seen around nineteen eighty. you know. yeah. I managed bootleg copy About ten years ago. I'm just so i could kind of get. Get the gist in some ways. Let's like the all rates racist. Fuck yes oh my god it's awful. Oh my god it's like it's it's like yeah the world war. Two propaganda film footage is terrible and fantasia is awful and i. I have such a hard time with peter pan today it's The what makes red man red song is just so bad but yeah songs of the south is definitely. I'm i'm glad they've kind of hidden away. 'cause there is nothing to learn from that leg you. You can't learn from that one in a way that you can from some of the other ones actually have good conversation just because It so so bad. So i kind of brought that up for i really been very sorry. For the disney history lesson kendra am i. Am i way off base in my being a boomer ear or so my thought I just think if that is how the real life person is remembering and felt like they experience that is valid and i will believe them in what they experienced one hundred percent but base in this fictitious world. We're living in our semi fictitious world Were living in an almost famous. You don't penny and the band get to choose or you don't see it until it's too late in which case that's just is not okay like because it very well could be them like rectifying their emotions in like settling in their brain like this is what i signed up for in which In which is just as damaging emotionally in met for your mental health. So if the right the real life people are like i had more I had more ability and more agency in all of this like i will believe them but based on what. I'm seeing this minute. These girls do not have agency and they are getting sold for fifty dollars and beer. Like so Yeah i can't say anything about the real real world stuff. Just because i i don't know mom but What i'm seeing is but you agree. You understand different times. I mean i tell people you know. My favorite Of a painter of classical painter is caravaggio and he killed people with swords so historian. I one hundred percent. I studied the past regularly. I studied the and it's mostly awful. Got oh no. Yeah i mean i just think. In general humans are the worst. Like i like to go to the extremes. Bring up two thousand one. Those aides are awful. They kill each other raping. They're women only have two. That black object shows up our peaceful before that our ancestors supposedly but the huge reason. I bring up the song of the south and the and that disclaimer e educational type stuff that happens thankfully allow these other movies but that not for that one. Because it's just not going steal day. the The officially with them is so you think they should have a disclaimer. I'm gonna pose. A question is similar to another show from the network that on their twitter account. They they like to ask Who cares who cares about the rock hall after they do one of their Band artists episodes the later in the week. Or whatever they They put up a little post about a low poll question about how long it'll take for said artist's band to get into the rock hall and it goes from this next year five years ten years and never along those lines. So i would say you'll know is is there when when when might there be a time that you to eat to each of you that you think something similar might happen for this movie. I mean if it's to say anything So speaking for my generation. Amazon ya'll so i i'm that i'm ready to i'm i'm a year cusp of Millennial so ninety four ninety five four ninety five. Okay okay i was told i was a millennial of couple years ago. I'm like wait a second seventy six. I'm genetics i'm being told connects. Yeah i may be very end of it. Yeah millennial well hold on a minute. Baby boomer is forty five to sixty five okay so that means gen-x starts and sixty five and it goes to a bout about alien leave. Yeah i think alien. And then n n molyneaux was eighty to ninety four five. Yeah and gen z. Well that's funny. I do go to about two thousand six ish. Oh hell ten or so. Years sometimes sometimes are short. Yeah yeah but a generation should be twenty in general if we were if we were just being well. I think it's more culture like for the cultural changes in the big distinction between like late millennial early why i'm asenius I with computers. I grew up with computers. I don't remember nine. Eleven what's the other yeah. Computers in the classroom is the big one and then certain cultural moments that you're like you group. That's the case then. Every generation get shorter and shorter as far as as as its existence. Well because cultural changes are just rapidly. Come as well. I think like a big thing like computer in the classroom is like as one of those very it changed the way. Education worked true through And the same with like nine eleven. As being one of those cultural touchstones like i was in first grade. I kind of remembered on the radio. But i have no like it it was. I really impacting story of at the time. No not the way like my parents talk about. Excuse me the The challenger and nine eleven in very similar terms. I think the challenge some expect respect for being up in the northeast And christa mcauliffe was on the on the on the flight right. Yeah so Those kinds of things just as much being an impact to where i fall in the generation or what what makes generation so. I wouldn't be surprised if like. I mean the pandemic is gonna be a big one. Oh god the pandemic is. It's the biggest one in my life. So there's probably oldest here. Yeah and i've never seen anything like this but to your to eric's question You know one. Do you believe there should be a la- viewer advice. Advisement at the top. And if so when will it happen. Sorry to get to my point. Why i was saying i was ill. I mentioned to my friends in other people like that. I'm aware of online and stuff. I'll be like oh. I like am on this show kind of thing every now like every now and then i'll be like oh i guess it on almost famous minute and they're like i've never seen that movie because i was six when this movie came out i think more it's a generational i it's a cult classic in a lot of ways in the same way like rocky horror picture show cult classic. That movie definitely has a lot of problems. So i think there's i just wonder about its cultural relevancy. And if that's what's gonna not force it to have a content warning but some some respected it may kind of fade not saying. I want it to necessarily good movie. Like there's a lot to talk about and think about and it's a good insight into a various snapshot film. Which i think is so important but quite a quite a lotta hullaballoo was made this year. Being the twenty twenty years worth. Yup i mean gosh you know. I hope i hope. Cameron cameron still kicking in. He is your he. He is hours from now. Say i don't know about that well. I don't know i mean i. I would think if it was going to happen it would have happened this year. Is it on radar enough. 'cause like i saw an article for it in the rolling stones but like i was cataloging that at my library. It's not like i. By the rolling stones right the extent of me seeing like anniversary stuff for the furthest movie like i can we. Can we all know printed. Can we all agree that regardless this is not as bad as song of the south no no not at all but still it could be troubling for some people. It could be troubling for some is. Is there anything worse than this. Particular scene When it comes to feminism and agency of kendra this whole movie. Oh god. I'm trying to think i mean feminism. In the same way that someone is anisimov meeting their equal rights and recognition for both men and women William getting raped. That's the Many divisions of feminism recognized that there's a recognition that men have just as much of the right as women to recognize report and receive and they are victims of rape. And william william getting raped just as much a thing so you should. You do believe that there should be a An advisement at the at the top of the movie. I don't know i. I speak from a place of privilege. That i am not triggered by this movie. but i i can't say for other so i mean i have the belief that if content warning helps someone stay safe and stay healthy. What's the harm in it. It's not hurting anyone to add like. Hey there are scenes in this. That may not be for you. Take care of yourself. So the movie was rated r. Right yeah so so you know that back in the day and until today You know that had kind of been there your your red light yellow light green light Sort of sort of thing And so i guess the next question would be does. It need to have something more than rated r. Which tells you that you know that there are you know. And and i think it even says nowadays you know woah. What kind of situations are being discussed in the film content warning. Yeah so so it does already kind of client. Yeah yeah does it. Need something more. I think for someone that needs content warnings. They're gonna look for them. There are lots of other tools. Online that are I use at my library. For when i show we show the rare rated r. film and Are historically we have. And i would go into places that would give me a little more information and look for content warnings and that kind of stuff and i think nowadays which is a great thing that we have this access to information so if someone is searching for something and they they need to know more about the information is often there so the content warnings exist. I i think in a place like disney plus swear everything like the i rated. Pg film for disney with the black cauldron in the eighties. So all of all of these historic films may be rated pg nowadays but justice system wasn't in place yet so i think having those existing content warnings and the opportunity for people to look for additional content warnings. If they need it they existed. I don't think it would be a systematic change throughout an entire industry for every film to show up a screen. That's like it things make comfortable But they're already including the like for streaming service there including these kinds of things often because of the digitisation process. Well i just went to commonsense sense media dot org. I love that place. The top line just one sentence thing says great but lots of sex drugs and rock and roll. I don't know if there's lots of any of those things in this movie. In my opinion you know. I mean lots would be of sex. That would be okay porn level the while there's drugs there's not a lot of sex in it there's there's implied You know there's there's out of the camera view You know And and You know congress point you know there there. There is one scene of you know I must say. I look at the scene a little differently. I i look at it as you know a rites of spring Play college williams says no in the scene. He does he does not give consent. true And and i know that's a big topic today of Of you know that consent and what that means and and who needs to give it an and You know and and it is a topic of conversation currently due to a a a new streaming Show called dumb. The brigitta bridgeton Where There is a very Explicit scene of of where you you could make a justification of female rape Because it's primarily because she doesn't give the guy consent to Not ejaculate so that's that's the point of that particular scene he's forced to And that's that's a different different staff But i mean. I guess it's not too different than than what happens to to william. He's just kind of forced into going along with With the The of the girls in what they wanna do to him. So maybe there should be a a little bit more of a of a content warning At the top end of the show for You know the scenes and you know what's difficult for me is. Is you know living through those times. And knowing what. I know and seen what i saw You know most of this was some form of consent if you will but not explicit So you know if you look at it from a historical drama You know it's it's not out of the realms of possibility of that everybody's like oh whatever go along with it including the the The card game But you know we look at it from the perspective. Twenty twenty and It it doesn't age very well so about that can With the yeah. The scene does kind of dread transfer a little bit. But right before we get to that. The only thing last thing. I would like to point out is just you know williams Williams view of what's going on and he's he's he's he's upset sm- well for for the first few seconds of this minute. He's smiling and then kind of laughing. That seems like a little bit but it really turns quick as soon as that name gets mentioned. Penny you know. As soon as she is offered up is smile turns upside down to a frown And you know then there's the only other aspect here at the beginning of the minute is that you know it. It's still all just this big put on really to me. You know it's it's i. I've i've realized this event you know mostly during the recording but definitely in the lead up to watching a minute a few times over and over again that you know it's it's it's russell. I mean they're all doing this to to to get this to happen. And that's That's it's really sucky. I mean it's you know it's it's even dick with this low card. I mean written and russell is intermediary between the two. He knows what they both have. It's so clearly you know him wanting for her to go away and not be a problem yet. It's still all blows up in his face and it's but does it blow up in his face. It's really as betty blows up in her vase for sure right. Yeah it's the worst of it and that was kind of. I was getting to that a little bit earlier where like russell doesn't necessarily face the ramifications of his actions. He might feel bad about it. But penny the abbot. But isn't that. Just a general world dynamic the powerful escape in the the the the low the the lower St- strata pays. Yeah but it doesn't need to be. Yeah i would love to not live in. i would love to live in that world. yes but You know yeah. Russell does not necessarily After pay a full price certainly not What what penny had to had to pay You know but there's I just. I don't know this is really a very minefield discussion here. You know the masculinity and femininity in one thousand nine hundred ninety three You know man. Just got away with everything and You know women didn't And i don't know is cameron showing that Is he saying that You know that that now there is a there. Even though she doesn't think there's a price to pay there was a price to pay and she's the one that had to pay it and he does show that he does he does he doesn't hide it. out. Nor does he a whitewash it and make it all like. Oh everybody is cool. You know she you know down. The line says i'm not in. I'm not doing this and And i think some of the other girls don't do as well. I think there's only to that end up the go Although i'm not sure if we actually see that In the end because we do we do see the girls later at the very tail end of the movie. 'cause we're getting close in here so but Yeah it's It probably wasn't the best way to make this happen from a sociological standpoint. But as far as moving the plot along It actually worked pretty good So in the in the world fiction was You know it It did its thing to to to move the story of forward But i think we all look back at it now and say look since little weird and creepy step and darth darth vader's a bad guy. But i i love him. I love the character and carry boba fett. Now right you know everything changes Yeah i guess the sar like isn't forever ha intentionally for sleep thousands. So you know. It's you know art. You know if this was more of a documentary. I think we'd we'd all feel like oh. No you gotta say something about this because you know and yes. Peter frampton said os based on on a on a real event. That is not surprising. believe me to be honest with you. That seems rather team compared to some other stories. I know about With with rockstars in the and their Their their their groupies but you know it's it does create You know a different feel today than it did when the when the film came out in in two thousand and certainly of a very very different field than when the movie is said in nineteen seventy-three but You know it was probably you know. Fully accepted as sets just power dynamics as they exist in nineteen seventy-three so we need to look at it from that standpoint and and then cameron crowe's Commentary on that and And i think like. I said it's not like everybody escaped At least there is a resolution and a negative one. A at what that card game caused. Well you mentioned You kind of relieving this this way before you mentioned about david crosby. But yeah you. You mentioned Rockstars end their groupies. Let's talk about rockstars rockstars and their drugs and one of the most well known drug drug addicts of all time. David crosby from crosby stills and nash and sometime and buffalo springfield. I'm sorry. Excuse me excuse me. Ram stills was and neil young. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah that regio surprise no surprise that they would call out crosby as the. That's the good stuff right. Read seems to be offering the joint to the other guys. And then he's yeah he image says you know how. I know. this is good stuff house that this is from crosby. Carr's a guy that smokes a lot and has problems with it is definitely going to be the one that has the best. Yeah yeah and then. I mean there's not much to say about that other than there's just that one line which you know it's you know it's from crosby so you know you know the the underlying message is that it's the good shed And and i guess russell in In patrick fugit Go to To have discussion Yeah the definitely these this. This look that Russell has like a double take you kind of sees william behind him on the other side. It's just one point and and seems to realize what's happening a little bit it's like it's like multiple instances of realizing the ramifications of of Way i'm having been here witness so he gets up and walks back to talk with liam a little bit and seems like he's even getting himself a beer you know cashflow unscrewing on capping. What have you beard. But he's yeah he's saying ma the that no one's feelings are getting hurt here so that just takes us straight back down the road. Well at least we got one little a break care for a minute of feeling. I do understand you know. This is the circus bit Kinda a little bit of what. I was talking about earlier. Entertainment famously. You know these these the when when when you're in this business you know. It is transaction Transitory it's literally ships in the night you know and because it's art and in and there's all these passions that are flying around it can be very intense for the short period of time. And then you know you you split up and go your own way. And i think that's what russell's trying to say thereby circus. Everybody's trying not to go home and we've we've even here. We even hear her name. Leslie leslie the girlfriend. Ex-wife right isn't it was. Was she a wife or ex wife. I play current girlfriend Okay well he should have learned his lesson with the ex wife. Part right never go back we can never go back so and she I guess i can't really talk about her because she comes up in a little bit but boy. She's nothing to write home about Not compared to pani. You know. That's the i think that's the point is you know. There's there's some sort of a soul mate connection between russell and and penny and that's obviously not the case when it comes to lesley it. Yeah so soulmate. For fifty bucks in a case of heineken. contradict anything else for this minute got. It's a tough minute it's You know it's It's probably the would this be fair to say it's the it's the most cringely minute or is the the rape scene of william the more cringe of the two. Yeah i'm i'm a little more half-and-half i'd like i got branson both of them. So maybe eric brings you the political and sociological rants of gender. Equality's i get a lot of the minutes when there are no women in them. Oh oh eric you need to do better. I have gotten some good ones. I like i got. I got that from denver. That was fun. Okay belt denver. Bright bright are just trying to think of a the the. If there's if there's one last kind of miscarriages thing and is it the it could be the kiss. Yeah after on. Yeah yeah that one's real bad too. Oh yeah down. Zero bad okay so This is an here here from christian about your history was a movie my history with the movie I saw the movie in the theaters in two thousand when it first came out rock and roll movie and i loved it You know it took me back to To a time that you know. While i was too young to participate in i was old enough to fantasize about You know by by seventy three. I had records and You know posters and music magazines And things like that and so You know and i felt a completely immersed in the the world building. I felt that He did a great job of that. I think it's a good compelling story. i think it works As as a as a film And i was surprised at how awful it did at the box. Office it It was a disaster. It this was. This was a You know we should not be talking about this movie. It did so bad at the box office but that but that's how you know the oscars can can rectify that a bit. Yano that metro thing happening when that happens it can help movies it that might fade away. Otherwise yeah yeah. It was just on box office. Yeah that would be. It would be tough but but You know i've seen the movie Several times Over the years most recently this year during the pandemic Early on of we showed this to my Recently turned twenty one year old. He was twenty eight at the time and You know who. is is Not a big rock and roll guy. Although he's he's he's a warm to a little bit more Recently just for cultural references and things like that. I think he has dived enough to know. Who's who and you know why these songs are Important In in in the same way that i probably did with frank sinatra and bing crosby and people like that but can he recognize the voice between the voices of john. paul george. oh hell i i know. My parents couldn't couldn't even do that. Oh really yeah i mean. They grew up with them. Yeah i don't know maybe just didn't study the music think. Yeah i mean. Even when i was young i probably couldn't tell the difference between who who was singing which songs i mean. Now i know. I don't even have to think about it. You know it's pretty obvious and the same thing with you know with even tougher bans to figure out You know who's singing what It's it's pretty obvious. And i mean even now. I can listen to guitar note in about three or four intel which do which qatar player is. I could do that when i was a teenager. but But no i you know. I i it's a meaningful movie To me i think it's a. It's a great piece of rock and roll archaeology I think cameron captured The moment Pretty well and and and hit the highlights of what that time was about what what joining the circus meant in nineteen seventy-three and And so you know. It's it's it's one of my favorite movies. Well it's not mine. I could take it or leave it with you spending. I doubt that very much otherwise. You're in the wrong job. Yeah well yes thank you. So much. Shit will let. Let's have you if you can want to plug your stuff just real quick of course pantheon podcast of which i'm the ceo and president of We've got almost seventy shows. All music related something for everybody out. There were continually expanding trying to tell of the story of music and and it's not just wrong. I'm i'm a little partial to rock and roll. But i like all kinds of music and our network we try to You know expose as many voices And to as many different types of music as as possible To get a friend of mine Who's a persian musician To do a podcast in persian on persian music And heath promising. He's going to do it and so he needs to get on it. and You know we're we're were. We've got hip hop shows. We've got some edm shows that just launched here recently Were looking for latin shows. you know everything so you know that's the that's that's mostly what i do During the day. And then i do have two and a half shows that i host rock rocky cheese the big boy. It's the the foundation of the entire network in how we put this thing together And that always gets good accolades from people. It's so very college level You know Explanation of the music And it's times music. Culture technologies will focus on. And then i have deeper digs which is my show You know where. I interview all kinds of people from rockstars roadies Producers engineers lighting people journal gentleness guys You know i'm interested in all facets of how the music of business works And and you know how How it all came together Both in the past and today. Yeah that's great. And i'm so glad i was able to join up on the network So long ago now feels like yeah glad to have you been a great the listening to more and more of the other shows on the network yes thanks so much qendra Can you tell us a little more about like. Oh what. Ms fantastic. Mr fox minute or something. Yes so i am the co host of movies. By minute podcast you can find us at amateur nerds Our first season was fantastic. Mr fox minute where we talked about. Wes anderson's two thousand nine stop. Motion animated film fantastic. Mr fox one minute time. Our second season is a scene by scene more or less Review of dr horrible. Sing along blog. The draw sweden web series. And then we are currently in our third season where we are covering the disney channel original movie high school musical so Three seasons are two and a half seasons of Movies by minute or thereabouts. Content off found with the amateur nerds. Everyone should go watch account Those those shows Yes so i've been eric nash I i also have feels like weezer here on earth. Here on the pantheon dhaka's networking and find a painting on podcasts dot com And we should be back next minute with gershon again and hopefully contra two probably i know she has to think about it though after this discussion sir. I'll say it now. This this was her ninth episode. 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Part One: How The Catholic Church Murdered Ireland's Babies

Behind the Bastards

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Part One: How The Catholic Church Murdered Ireland's Babies

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Men legend of the here them. All we have this via we have we have you. This is a podcast about bad people. The worst in all of history And we have an especially dark episode today today. We're gonna be talking about one of the darkest chapters in irish history. Now if you know anything about the irish you know that that's saying something when you're like. This is one of the worst things that ever happened in ireland. Like you're already you're already. You're on the top of a mountain and maybe there's like two or three other mountains. There's like there's a digits american history. There's like ukrainian history one or two other mountains that you can see peaks above you when you're on top of the irish history mountain so this is going to be a bad one today. Got to be a real bad one today. And i know that since i am here it there's gonna be piles and yeah i mean of tons aisles of and piles of babies who are deceased. Is my colin card. The working title for this episode is how the catholic church killed all of ireland's babies job. So yeah we're we're we're kind of fucking zoom in on that and obviously as that probably on the villain of today's episode is primarily the catholic. Yeah that's how the catholic church we gotta deal with all these fucking kids earnings. i misunderstanding. Who were cheering or in this posh very pro killing babies podcast. This is behind the baby killers. Podcast that celebrates reducing the surplus population. But i didn't get drunk in the afternoon behind the bastards event of this. Sophia's getting drunk. And i'm yelling about. Are there no work houses. Are there no prisons. I'm ebony scrooge that's the the long frame of the show. I'm here you zoom lady. I am very happy. We're having our wedding at a plantation. Several plantations plantation hopping for the wedding. May i ask the color of the skin of the people that will be attending your wedding. Well i mean. Servers are attending right. Yes that's what i meant attending to your whites jess. Yeah sophia. what do you. What are you what are you. What are you know about ireland. Well i do consider them a sister country to my eastern european because we do worship the potato as well you worship the potato and you also worship hardcore drinking hardcore drinking and dating very close to my heart ireland in both ukraine and ireland. The hardcore drinking is driven in part by the fact that you are the two most colonized countries within europe. Both both ukraine and ireland were victims of colonization. Drive you to drink should absolutely does and there's some you know. We had everything exploding in gaza in palestine recently in some reminders. That like the irish are some of the most within sort of the western world probably the most consistent allies of the palestinian cause as they were consistent allies as a nation of the indigenous american cause Because they've you know they've been through some of the same and a story that's dropping. That's just drop. This week is about the residential schools in canada which we covered one of them was found mass grave. Two hundred and fifteen children in it. And we're talking about a very similar story today but it's of course within the context of ireland Now before we get into. What exactly happened. That led to the mass graves. We're gonna be talking about today. Mass baby grades. Good times we have to talk about about roughly thirteen hundred years of irish history. Which we're going to do in like page. Which is i think responsible in. Good so so strapping. Here's here's thirteen hundred years of ireland. So ireland's history of foreign domination started around the seven hundreds when scandinavian viking started to raid monasteries towns for precious gold over the next two hundred years they settled in several cities including dublin and dominated the island until ten fourteen. When an irish king named. Brian baru beat a viking army in battle. Now this only brought the irish about a century of independence because an eleven sixty six war between two irish kings ended when the defeated king invited the. Normans to invade. The normans. who had took it taken over. What is today like england. This irish king who loses a war invites them to invade ireland in eleven sixty nine and his plan like this is going to lead to me being in charge. Of course it doesn't it backfires and the normans takeover island and this begins seven hundred years of direct domination. Name's norman yeah just a bunch of nor donald norm macdonald with accents. Just taking ireland. Of course i think nor mcdonald is probably irish or scottish. Whatever fuck him he's an asshole he is the is the mascot of beverly hills high school. That's that's what. I was picturing which is also that right which is very eiser as shit. I don't know what the origin is. But i'm assuming it's not great. It's not great. Over the following centuries there were a bunch of different like subsequent english invasions of ireland and people will quibble that like. I shouldn't call them. Whatever it's people who live in where the fuck it the english. I don't care in eleven. Seventy one king henry. The second landed a huge army at waterford to fuck up some of his own nobles who had taken over chunks of ireland and we're getting to rich oppressing oppressing the irish without him so like other english people are oppressing the irish in the king. Like but i'm not getting enough money from fucking up the irish so he needs to be left out no other people know. Why would you would you just leaving money and bodies on the table. Not sophie was oppressing you without me you know. Be nice day you. That's why that's why you both have access to the To the online Trigger for the shock collar. That i wear constantly in order to stop me from doing bad things. That's only partly joke. 'cause twitter's kind of a shock collar now in the fifteen fifteenth thirties king. Henry the eighth you know this guy. Have you heard of this guy. Hey mark barron voice. Who are your guy king henry. The it's real piece of shit. He's the guy who invented the church of england and like made his country leave the catholic church because he he wanted to fuck more ladies but that meant divorcing and marrying more ladies. There was a whole thing. There was a song about it anyway. well it's not about that but it has the name henry the eighth anyway. It's very funny. So he he decides the church. What's going to be a thing now. Because i want to be able to get divorced. Mary women the irish were committed. Catholics In some of their commitment calls came from the fact that the english who they hated. Where like we are not catholics anymore. This led to a series of what you might call race. Kerfuffle with the english that ended with the irish population devastated in the mass confiscation of irish land by english colonists now in the sixteenth century. The spanish near the end of the sixteenth century the spanish briefly show up to help the irish rebel against their masters. But that ended disastrously. This happens a couple of times in history. The spanish and the germans on a number of occasions try to help the irish for their own purposes. And it never really works out for the irish. In sixteen forty nine a noted piece of shit oliver cromwell invaded ireland yet again to destroy cafa catholic irish power by sixteen fifty two. He held most of the country and he launched a vicious counterinsurgency to wipe out the remaining guerrilla resistance to his reign. Krummel's campaign in ireland was absolutely an act of genocide he may have wiped out fully fifty percent of the population which is again. The holocaust in europe kills about fifty percent of the jewish population. This is a really high level of a pretty pretty pretty jin -ociety genocide right like when we talk about the irish genocide victims. We're not. We're not exaggerating here. And around fifty thousand irish laborers were also deported as indentured laborers to the caribbean which was a step up from slavery but not as not a giant step. It's bad so we could do a whole podcast on the mountains of ship. The irish have had to endure over the last three quarters of millennia in particular probably the best known chapter in the shit history was the irish potato famine or the great hunger. This kicked off in eighteen forty five when a fungus killed half the year's potato crop and then three quarters of the crop over the next seven years because the irish where a colony of england the whole population were tenant farmers. All power on the island came from the landowners. Catholics were prohibited from owning or leasing. Land voting or holding elected office until eighteen twenty. So this is an apartheid state as well so by the time the famine started the islands politics were still dominated by absentee british church of england. Landlords tenant farmers food is rent to their landlords and potatoes. Were supposed to help them subsist. But when the crop started they didn't have enough food to pay their debts to their landlords. Who again didn't live in ireland generally and to also eat. Roughly one million irish people starved to death. During the famine another million were forced to flee their homeland often leaving for the united states. This was out of a population of a little over eight million so between death so they lose half their population in the sixty one hundred hundred cromwell and then in the fucking eighteen hundreds a quarter of the population either killed or forced out of the country by famine pretty rough millennia for the irish. All things told so given all this. It's not hard to understand why the irish wanted independence from great britain in one thousand nine hundred sixteen with world war one in media res- a group of irish revolutionaries tried to overthrow their colonial oppressor. They succeeded in taking over a chunk of dublin and declaring an irish republic for like a couple of days before the british sale in a battleship pounded the city with naval guns from the sea as tragic as the easter rising was. It played a key role in leading to the treaty settlement in nineteen twenty one. That brought the irish some manner of independence. Basically it's carved into you. Get your northern ireland which is still a part of the uk But you got your republic of ireland. Now which is the capitals in dublin. And it's like the bulk of the island which is not of again still a lot of people angry about the partitioning of ireland. But it's a better situation than had existed before so the modern republic of ireland comes about as a result of this process and in one thousand nine hundred thirty seven. The irish government drafts a constitution. Now if you've been paying attention through this very brief overview of irish history. You'll note that the catholic church pretty important to the irish who want independence right kind of a big deal for them. And for most of the his- the history of the irish independence movement. The catholic church has been kind of a counter cultural in laboratory force. Being catholic was a symbol of resistance to the crown now in one thousand nine hundred thirty seven when they're making this new constitution. The republic of ireland is completely fucking broke. They've got no goddamn money. Because the english had spent seven hundred years or so robbing them blind and especially did not have money for social services what they had was the goodwill of the catholic church who they wrote into their first constitution as the primary provider of social services particularly education for children now. That constitution did note that the rights of children were quote inalienable and imprescriptible but the rights of children were also subsumed within the rights of the family. Which is not necessarily the best thing because it means kids don't have independent rights on their own. That's generally how this was was translated. So i'm going to quote from a write up in the child abuse review by clare maclean. Richard's quote it it. Being the catholic churches major role in the education of children was accepted the acknowledgement of the good works of the religious orders. And the care of the sick poor and needy was considered to be of benefit to wider catholic society which was the dominant sector of the population the opportunity to formalize and secure the power of the catholic church over its people without the impediment of british rule was critical. The church is the true religion of the people would exercise its authority and status negotiations and agreements with the state the expectations of the state where to quote safeguard uphold religious interests. It is bound to extend protection and all reasonable assistance to the catholic church in the exercise of her own proper functions. So you see the budding issue here right. Ireland is finally a free state and since catholic catholicism has been punished for so long it was seen as inextricable from irishness which leads to the enshrining in law of the catholic churches dominance in social services particularly child care it was believed that ireland as an independent nation should be a wholly impure state and part of ensuring that purity was punishing people who violated catholic morality. See going to have a problem here. I don't know what you mean. Because i feel like deciding who is moral or not always great. It's always very really really think it ever leads to any problem. I love it night. Absolutely think i have the right to decide whether you're more owner. Not i agree. And i think even better than you so fia is a completely unaccountable group of old richmond who never fuck. That's who i want deciding how how we get to live. Our lives is a bunch of who don't fuck that's also essentially you know our government to you still they. Fuck look at matt gaetz when. It's not consensual. Well i guess that that image. Macro of the two hands clasping in the middle. It's like matt gaetz. The catholic church fucking children right in the middle one hundred women not a gates. Yeah and i think there's not enough of an expert. I'm not an expert at all in in irish history. I wonder how much of kind of the catholic church is dominance after nineteen twenty one has to do with the fact that so a lot of these irish revolutionaries in nineteen sixteen. These guys are socialists. These guys are anti-colonial they're left wing. They have their idea for how the government should be is kind of a radical socialist one. For the time they'll get massacred by the british I wonder how much that had to do with kind of the fact that that i mean i honestly just based on sort of culturally where the church was probably still would have owned up dominant. I don't know it's it's probably something someone with more knowledge of the history than i could could could weigh in on the easter rising interesting bit history. Those guys were fucking rad for the most part so anyway the catholic church gets the gig in the constitution basically of legislating morality particularly when it involves children now when ireland was founded. The age of criminal. Responsibility was seven years old. So that's when you're capable of being the chair. Well i don't think they're doing the chair but You can you can go to. Yeah you could go to prison for crimes and it's actually much worse than that so much worse than than a normal prison system well to detail than normal prison system has already created in for people. I afraid for children. When i say this is worse than our prison system and a lot of ways. I mean it's bad not to minimize ours. So at the start of the irish republic age of criminal. Responsibility is seven. It eventually rose to twelve you. You wanna guess what year they increase the age of criminal responsibility to twelve. No two thousand six. Oh god which. I think is also in ireland. Legalized the blow job. Like i'm not joking about that. It was illegal to give blowjobs in ireland until well or recently than you'd expect. Hey everybody i actually got this wrong. It was not two thousand and six. It was nineteen ninety three when ireland made a sodomy which included like sex and stuff. That wasn't you know procreative. Heterosexual sex was made legal so ireland nineteen ninety-three not two thousand six apologies for slandering the emerald isle so children convicted of crimes in this period became the responsibility of the catholic church. So the good thing is. They're not putting them in adult prisons. They're not trying them as adults there. If you're a seven or eight or nine or ten or whatever if you're a child who commits a crime. You're handed over to the catholic church in a lot of cases. How hot children are okay. Well yeah so. This is important for the science now. The average i'm not that's not a joke. Let's not a choke laid. We should go down. we're in a matt. Gaetz territory here. We're into average catholic priest territory here. We're into dennis hastert longest serving republican speaker of the house territory. Here we're into probably bill clinton territory here anyway. Let's who jesus rainier near a. Yeah we're definitely in in rene tear rainier so for nina tori is merch. So despite all the like all the english's ation sentiment Tori schools the anti-british sentiment or whatever anti english sentiment. I don't know fuck. It keeps yelling at me about that to hell. With all of them i say reformatory schools were still based on a british model that had originally been established to deal with all the thieving or orphans and street urchins charles dickens novels harper over now back at night again if you can send children to prison and yet healthy society deserves to rule the entire world but if you have the laws on the books and even just sent them to prison system prison well send him to reform school that is worse than most prisons today. Your child prison. Stop writing these novels about Glorifying the orphan. John the orphans dickens chair. Yeah fucking noted. Leftist charles hungry. You should be fed. You cook you sipping for king loser so back in nineteen. Oh eight when perfidious albion still ran things in all of ireland. The government had instituted a set of laws designed to protect the wellbeing of children since this was at that moment the uk protecting children with meant. Incarcerating them if they were caught begging or homeless or if they were found to have been neglected school or who had like stolen something as well all right all right all right all of these santa monica. Let's do all of to be exactly well everywhere. That's that's the big now the biden's in charge. We're we're just gonna criminalize being poor as hard as we can and people will continue to go to brunch. It's gonna be great so these kids in and this is back again we're talking about this is in the uk. This is an ireland this before independence. Kids are being sent to these. These english Reporting tori schools which are also called industrial schools. Now the government under the crown or whatever. These schools are run independently Most of them were religious in nature but they were monitored by the state In the uk left most of ireland and the republic took over these industrial schools were officially managed by the department of local government and then by the department of justice and then by the department of education but the church all of the actual work since the state was broke they were more than happy to let the church take care of their social services. The church considered this a worthwhile expense. Historian dicey corinne. I'm so sorry. Gaelic is a beautiful language. Irish is beautiful language. I'm going to put your at every time. I try to say one of these names. It sounds like mermaids. Yeah it's it's it's gorgeous. I've spent a lot ireland. The first place. I've ever travelled outside of the us. I've been back seven or eight times. I love listening irish literature in in holland. And since then i've been like so in love and like i said a lot of the similarity of the depression. The good writing radio so saying and all that wonderful place um said of the finger from ireland That's good So this historian. My explains quote that social service provision is designed to propagate the catholic faith. So that's why the catholic churches to go out of pocket. at least they're framing it as will pay since the government's broke will pay for your social services because we see this as helping to expand the catholic faith right. that's why we're gonna cover social services for the country and while the wording of all these laws talked about criminal children. It's worth noting that again. Most of them had not committed anything we would recognize as a crime today. In fact the most common crime for which children were put in these facilities was that they were born to single mothers. Now now me to. You're crying crybaby throwing you in baby prison. As one researcher in nineteen ninety eight of the church in ireland quote the body was seen as a major source of evil. This was particularly true for women whose proper role was to become mothers a good catholic family any alternatives to this catholic ideal were a threat to the status quo. As a result of the church and state worked together to heavily police children born out of wedlock unsupervised and unkempt children. Poor children and children in any other living situation. That didn't seem catholic enough. So when i talk about criminal behavior from children this is what the church considered criminal being born to a single mother having. Adhd or something that made you misbehave in school or coming from a family without much money clermont maclean richards described this. As pathologist catholicism basically religion that has turned any behavior that the sense from the religious mainline into an illness or a crime when the british left the church when the british left ireland. Sorry the church saw the departure of that state as a way to legislate catholic ideas about proper behavior from a write up in the child abuse review quote. The children of poor or inadequate parenting redeem to be in moral danger as the abused or neglected child was contaminated by adult knowledge. He argues that children were responded to entreated by the church and state not in terms of what they were but what they were going to be. This may explain why so many boys who had committed petty crime or who were seen at risk of committing crime. We're placed in reformatory schools. And why so many girls. Although having committed no crime were placed in industrial schools because of the perceived risk of their sexual immorality. The pathology me volvo is criminal. It's a crime that bank see drawing but instead of a dude it's a girl and address instead of throwing molotov with like a flower in it. It's a vulva just over now is could. Could we just get like so. Obviously we're making tiny handcuffs for all the babies putting. Oh no no. No no no no no also finding a tiny single handcuff for the vulva for the serve. The throwing it over the cervix. What are we doing the good news there. They're not handcuffing. These kids do not putting them behind bars. They're just putting them in what i might call the rape factory. So that's not locking them up. They're not locking them up though you know other than they locked them. Inside the rape factory with the rapists anyway cnn music factory. What was that yeah. It's exactly that's actually what the cnc music factories based on which is why they're banned in ireland. Okay you know who is not banned in ireland. I don't think hopefully not maybe probably not the products and services flake now because the eu has some laws and stuff and we might get an advertisement for my favorite gun manufacturers. Sig sauer in which case probably isn't in ireland. Dick pills might not be either. 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As a as a thought that they might commit immoral sexual or other type of crimes quote the pathologising of these children may have been may well have been because they were seen as undesirable and uncomfortable reminders of the lack of sexual control or moral values of their parents particularly their mothers who were deemed as sinful or unchaste the rigors of discipline enforcement and punishment under repressive practices driving catholic doctrine. At that time they have granted entitlement to cure the social ills problems products of sexual immorality as manifested by the children in these institutions. This entitlement and authority which were endorsed by the silence and collusion of the agents of the state sealed the fate of thousands of children. So that way it's kinda dope though that if you having sex with your catholic wife the children that you have after somehow do not change the fact that you're chased but if you are in a catholic marriage and you filed that is evidence of you not being chased even though any children are evidence of you not being chased yet know if it's within a catholic relationship it's fine if it's not the children are guilty in need to go to prison so question now becomes as we've alluded to what we these schools like in practice. Well if you know anything about the catholic church for the last two thousand years you probably assume that a lot of child molestation so if he can. We get an air horn for child molestation on no i saw. I liked like a solemn mournful airborne. Sad trombone actually seems more disrespectful to the more more more than than an laurie child-molestation momma. You are broken okay. Yeah that's the theme of the show. I think it should just be like one of those like like crash. Sounds like you know what i mean. What if we like seeing a little. But let's talk about rape baby. Talk about the cath shirt. Let's talk about rate only babies. Let's talk about about. I think i think it works. I think we got. We got an album. I once again. I don't get paid enough. Wait how about this one. it's a flick some or don't leave your kids with a priest. It's a kath kath licks or a continue it but you know we've got we've got enough. This is saudi latte cruel summer cruel. It's taylor swift now thinking of no okay. Sorry anyway summers. Are there a lot couple only way. Let's talk about one of the inmates. In one of these industrial schools deaths murray arrived at the artisan industrial school in dublin. When he was twelve and a half years old he'd been born in nineteen forty one the son of an eight. Yeah prime hard time. That's twelve hundred. He's already a twelve and a half year old man get him in here. He'd been born in nineteen forty one. The son of an unmarried mother and was almost immediately taken from her and thrown into the system. We discussed in our georgia tann episode. How up until like the seventies and the us. It was very common for single mothers to have their children taken from them. Straight away without any kind of recourse. That happened here too. God knows how many women georgetown episode saying that there were like a lot of fake signing yet away. you're signing and that was happening when carter was in office not that long ago here in ireland. It was worse because not only were children's separated from their mothers but both were put in church run prisons. So here's dessus. Experience of this system from a write up in the irish examiner are tain was a concentration camp. He says quietly. I was singled out by two brothers to sadists. My biggest regret is that. I didn't kill those. Two bastards was particularly savage. One fell i knew. Had rheumatic heart but brother be used to make fill a wheelbarrow with stones and wheel it around the yard three or four times. The arcane school was run by the congregation of christian brothers. A worldwide religious community founded in waterford ireland in eighteen to their goal was to educate poor catholic boys. And ed. you'd expect. They have a long history of allegations of sexual abuse. Macoute again from the irish examiner here dez witnessed sexual abuse in our tain but did not encounter it directly himself. I remember seeing brother on the landing and he was spotting the boys. He says they carefully chose their victims. You wouldn't see the boys going into the brother's room but sometimes you'd see them running out screaming they chose the vulnerable ones valentin. Walsh was not as fortunate and he went to st joseph's industrial school of tralee county kerry so well desk just witnessed sexual abuse. Valentine was sexually and physically assaulted at saint. joseph's from the ages of nine to thirteen valentim. Yeah and the article. Valentine shows a photograph of himself as a little kid. he's seven. It's the day of his first communion and yeah he's a a nice little boy and suit with his his hair entitled on up but he's very much not smiling from the article he doesn't remember a reason to smile. All valentin remembers. Is the terror a locked door. A darkened room and three christian brothers who've sexually and physically abused him. This is the world that lay in. Wait for the little boy in the communion group of nineteen sixty one st joseph's industrial school the first memory. I have of being sexually abused by brother. D was when i was nine or ten says valentine. He would take me into his own classroom in the evening. When it was empty he would lock the door behind me he recalls so what happened and how brother d- prepared the room for this. Hell i remember the blackboard in the wind in the classroom. It used by brother. D to block off the windows other clippings in newspaper were on the windows and blocked off any site into the classroom. The clippings and the blackboard prevented anyone from the outside looking in. We were locked in and they were locked out. So that's what happened to the boys in. This was a mix of physical abuse that could recalls like a kid with a bad heart being forced to wheelbarrow around rocks just because one of the residency status and like mass child rape. That's what happens to a lot of the boys in these schools. Now what happened to valentine. And deva's mothers both taken from their mothers. They're single moms at an early age. They don't know they have no idea where their mothers wound up because the catholic church considered their mothers to be dangerous criminal influences. There is a fairly decent chance though that both mothers were sent to what were called. The magdalene laundries now officially called the sinister. It's about to be it's about to be and it's also about to involve the gay mousetrap. Oddly enough so officially call yeah. Just just just wait. Sophie you're gonna have a good time with us one so officially called the magdalene asylums. These were essentially prisons for unwed mothers. They had their roots in the mid. Seventeen hundreds and a campaign by the church to so-called fallen women who are often sex workers to work now. This was actually a rare joint catholic and protestant effort to really quick though. It's in the name sex workers but sex workers to work on escon fury not third job. That's fucking rude. Yeah i mean this is a pretty rude religion now. I should note that when the magdalene asylums started because this kicks off in the seventeen hundreds ireland's still under the uk this starts is actually a very rare joint protestant and catholic effort. Which tells you how much about irish society at all levels despised single mothers and english society. The first of these institutions was actually run by the prostate church of ireland. The magdalen asylum for penitent females in dublin. Now there was a worry on the time that prostitution was on the rise wayward women who were willing to have sex outside of marriage and get pregnant outside of wedlock. We're thought to be in danger of becoming sex workers. So when i say these following women were sex workers often there were women who wanted to have sex with people. They weren't married to that was the same thing at the time fearing this. Parents started sending their unwed daughters to the magdalen asylums. Because they were worried like your daughter looks at a boy you send her there or your daughter gets pregnant. You send her there either way. You're worried your daughter might fuck you. Send her to the magdalen asylum now. The goal here was twofold. I it was to hide the shameful fact that a woman in the family had gotten pregnant or had been having sex without a husband and second it was hoped that time in the asylum's would rehabilitate sinful sex and baby babar's initially inmates were only meant to be incarcerated. For limited periods of time they would be sentenced to several years during which they would learn a respectable profession so that when they left they'd be able to avoid the horrific sin of having consensual sex for money. However the work they did at the magdalen asylums made money for the church and as decades eventually centuries past the magdalene asylums became institutions within the irish catholic church from a write up in history dot com quote. The stints the prison sentences grew longer and longer women were off sent. There were often charged with redeeming themselves lace making needlework or doing laundry. Though most residents had not been convicted of any crime conditions inside were prison-like redemption might sometimes involve a variety of coercive measures including shaven heads institutional uniforms bread and water diet restricted visiting supervised correspondence solitary confinement. N even flogging writes historian. Hell jay self. So that's good. I love a casual flogging. It doesn't accept that. Yeah yeah and adult tasks woman live in your life getting flogged for not washing clothes. Fast enough because you winked at a boy when you were fifteen yes also like fucked up were just like maybe giving blow jobs and shit and now you have to learn how to needlepoint. Yeah it's not green. I don't want someone to force me to do that. Like those are really different skills. They are very different skills. Both can involve needles but only if your partner is into sounding so honestly i mean hand eye. Coordination is important in both it is. Yeah but that's probably where the they're like they're both like basketball in that both needlepoint and blowjobs lot of similarities to basket. Yeah which is why. Nba players give such famously good blowjobs. Yeah so that's why they call brom king means came king james because i love job. That's what that documentary song. My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard was about lebron james. I will not so good blow jobs and you know what else that was the reason that he has a little bit of a ball. Spa of his. Why was leading his hair line. I'm not when he's blowing and he's on his knees. He's so good. People literally rubbed they office head. Yeah that complement. That's yes that's all. I'm saying that's evidence of how skillful i will not. I will not accept this. Slander of lebron james famously jerry. West hella jealous halla jealous of lebron sucking skills. I just out there. So yeah i think he talking about fun consensual sex with the nba slash blowjob star. That's fine. It's nasa children in prison. They're single mothers in prison. Slash rape factories. Now so initially. Most of the inmates at the magdalene laundries they came to be known as that because doing laundry for money was one of the most common things that they would have. These women do. Initially most of these inmates went voluntarily and the focus was on rehabilitation but over time these grew into penal institutions as this happened their scope chain from providing rehabilitation to fall in women taking in women who had been admitted to psychiatric institutions women with special needs victims of rape and assault and girls deemed too flirtatious or attempting to men. So if you're a girl who the out. Only god exactly. hey pregnant. Teenagers continued to be sent to the laundry as well but by the early nineteen hundreds in the coming of the independent republic of ireland. Things had reached a point where large numbers of women were being incarcerated for. No clear reason at all. Well the laundries were run by various catholic orders. They also received support from the irish government. Who paid the church for laundry fees. Since the church didn't pay incarcerated women. This was basically free money. And what was it. Like to live in the magdalene laundries. Well we don't have a whole lot in the way of detailed testimony seventeen hundreds and eighteen hundreds but we know a lot about how they were in the middle of the twentieth century. I'm gonna quote again from that right up. In history dot com nuns ruled the laundry's with impunity sometimes beating inmates and enforcing strict rules of silence. You didn't know when the next beating was going to come said survivor. Mary smith oral history. Smith was incarcerated in the sunday's well laundry in cork after being raped nuns. Told her it was in case she got pregnant once there. She was forced to cut her hair and take on a new name. She was not allowed to talk and was assigned. Backbreaking work in the laundry. Nuns regularly beat her for minor infractions and forced to sleep in cold due to the trauma she suffered. Smith doesn't remember exactly how long she spent in sundays. Well to me. It felt like my lifetime. She said smith wasn't alone often. Women women's names were stripped from survive rape. And then someone fuck it puts you in prison for for life for life. Yeah smith wasn't alone often. The women's names were stripped from them. They were referred to by numbers or as child or penitent. Some inmates often orphans are victims of rape abuse. Stayed there for a lifetime. Others escaped and we're brought back to the institutions another survivor marina gambled was placed in a laundry by her local priest. She recalls being forced to eat off the floor after breaking a cup and getting locked outside in the cold for a minor infraction. I was working in the laundry from the morning until about six in the evening. She told the bbc in two thousand thirteen. I was starving with the hunger. I was given bread and dripping for breakfast so pretty horrible bad shit bad shit pretty not good shit and the magdalene laundries really came into being there Into their modern form in the nineteen twenties. This was the first decade of the irish state's existence but it was also a time. When rates of childbirth started to rise precipitously. This sparked panic among moral minis like the catholic clergy initially worried. That single mothers would become prostitutes somehow locking these women hadn't stopped prostitution or unwed motherhood so they decided the solution to the very real struggles. Faced by poor single. Mothers was to separate them from their children. In incarcerate them for life mother and child were kept together until the moment was possible to semi safely separate them. Starting in the nineteen fifties when adoption was legalized in ireland. That became the standard for newborn children. Who were reasonably good. Health historian dyfi or korean told the bbc there was a viewpoint perhaps that by facilitating adoption or putting them into an industrial school that those children were being given a chance at a better and more stable life. It's kind of wild. That these are named after mary magdalene when the whole was jesus was like pretty good friends with her. Yeah sure wasn't punishing her for being a sex worker. That was kind of the whole thing and Pretty positive the vibe wasn't like fuck you mary magdalene. That's absolutely wasn't these places that were like. Fuck you women and the main name them after her. Hurling the audacity. It's bizarre because like yeah the whole. If i'm understanding that part of the bible right the whole thing is that like she was quote unquote followed woman. But jesus was like. I don't give a fuck. I'm jesus like everybody's shit. I still love you Was his attitude. Right vibe was like i don't care you're not any better than this woman. Just because she's a prostitute you got shit you're going onto. Its whatever like. I'm jesus i don't care. I think was his attitude. But let's make prison for women and their children and to be honest the fact that they were finally adopting these children in the fifties is better than incarcerating them. But that said as we'll talk about there were only adopting the marketable children so a big part of this story is like kids with physical disabilities. Right kids with mental disabilities kids who just aren't attractive as adoption candidates for whatever reason by the standards of the time those kids still stay incarcerated. Because you can't you can't sell them and it is. They're selling them. They're profiting off of the adoption of these children. The catholic church is trafficking babies. This is is what this turns into a for profit baby trafficking operation. When you're getting abused you have to be hot so well. Yeah i mean. God can i just be ugly. 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A lot of women were incarcerated for life and this seems to have been about money as much as it was about anything remember. The irish state is too broke to fund any of their social services. If we can even like this. They're calling this a social service. I would argue kidnapping and trafficking children and their mothers is not a service but honest men can disagree the catholic church. The way this was framed is like we the church because we so love faithful ireland and one of facilitate the growth of our religion will pay for the social services. You know ourselves. This is a service that will provide to the state. The reality is that the catholic church was richest shit and could have provided excellent social services to the entirety of the island of ireland but instead made a profit off of trafficking their bodies because they didn't get that rich by giving their money away to poor countries I think is the gist of the story. Estimates of the number of women who went through the magdalene laundries ferry getting an accurate count has been complicated by the fact that the various religious orders responsible for these particular crimes against humanity have a vested interest in refusing to provide archival information to historians. As best is anyone can guess. Three hundred thousand women were incarcerated in the laundry's over a two hundred thirty one year period. At least ten thousand of those inmates went through the system after nineteen twenty two. The magdalene laundries operated without major criticism or controversy well into the nineteen ninety s. It is well worth asking why and how this was allowed. History dot com rights to start with any talk of harsh treatment at the magdalen. Laundries and mother's homes tend to be dismissed by the public since the institutions were run by religious orders survivors. Who told others that they had been through. Were often shamed or ignored other. Women were too embarrassed to talk about their past and never told anyone about their experiences. Details on both. The inmates and their lives are scant now. Healthcare was obviously not great in the laundries. The work was often unsanitary as we've heard from some of the eyewitness accounts i read earlier. Women were often starved and beaten. Some of them died from illnesses or as a result of the physical abuse they endured. We have no idea. How many perished but we do know that in nineteen ninety-two. The sisters of our lady of charity decided to sell some of their land. Sisters of lady of charity sold their land. Anyway for place that just these women when the sisters of the our lady of charity sold some of their land that they had operated laundries on for profit. It was because they didn't need the lead anymore. Laundries were closing down. They weren't making money. Yeah we had beaten the greater number of women. We got this asian anymore. We could win charity and also like when you reach you know icon status. It's time to hang up the paddle. You know Tales yeah maybe you stop You know beating people for just a little bit to reset find out who you really would rather be beating. Yeah yeah and the sisters. They decide to do this. they decide. They got a clear out. They sell this land because they can't operate this laundry for profit anymore and when they sell the property they apply with the government to have one hundred and thirty. Three bodies moves from unmarked graves. Real sisters of our lady of charity stuff is unmarked mass graves so thankfully this was the ninety s and even though ireland in the nineties little bit of a shit show still. The government was like wait a minute. How many bodies in a mass grave are we talking about here. And so they were two minutes. Peter allotted in adult size great for to nearly enough babies in these graves so the government quickly realizes that actually there were much more people in the unmarked grave. The sisters of our lady of charity admitted they find the remains of at least one hundred and fifty five people there and bonus dead babies. That was the accent. Journalists dig into the matter and find only seventy five death certificates that can be traced to this grave with one hundred and fifty five dead people which means the sisters of our lady of charity. We're covering up an awful lot of dead people people. It was a bogo sale. Yeah it was everyone record one for the deaths of two now. The nuns claimed this was all just the result of an administrative error. They burned the corpses and reburied the ashes in a mass grave somewhere else classic administrative error classic nuns. No way they always say babies. Don't stay buried unless you do. It twice is not nice. It's one of those things you talk about. Let's say the spanish civil war and the anarchists who a lot of priests and nuns in that war and who also would dig up graves of priests and nuns in incinerate the corpses and you're like what a horrible crime. And then you realize. This shit was definitely happening in spain. Too and maybe people just had the churches fucking number because most nuns and most priests in the catholic church have been fucking monsters. It's the ss with better. Branding is the fucking catholic church in most of its history in most of the places where it's operated with. The notable exception of liberation theology catholicism in latin america during this most recent century which did some red shit. It's a big church right but like this fucking shit happened all over the place. It's not just ireland ireland's just where the documentation is best right now. It happened everywhere now. The women who survived and escaped often did so only after enduring profound abuse. Mary merit was incarcerated by the sisters of mercy. When she was sixteen she been born in a workhouse to a single mother and her own entrance to the magdalene. Laundries was assured when she was caught stealing apples from an orchard. You gotta to throw that bishop prison. She's stay get apple's so the nuns renamed her attractor and she was. She spent the next fourteen years of her life in a convent where she was regularly beaten and abused when she was thirty. Mary manage to escape. Unfortunately the first person she went to for help was a catholic priest who raped her she became pregnant and was taken back into the system because now she's a sinful single mother. Her child was taken from her and given up for adoption without her consent. The good news is that mary did eventually escape forever. She found love and was married for more than fifty years. Mary story makes the peculiar dimensions. Of incarceration in the laundry clear. She was repeatedly told you are free to leave at any time and in the legal sense of the word that was probably true. She was not legally incarcerated for life but she was kept there much longer than she wanted to be because leaving was not really an option for her women now only was their physical coercion. There was the fact lot women had no money. No family support no way of supporting themselves outside of the church. And if you leave the church and you have no money and you wind up on the street. Where do you go facility operated by the catholic church. If you decide you can make money by selling my body on the street. Because i have no other options. Where do you go. you go to the key again. It's this you're free to leave. You're not free to leave now again. About ten thousand women much more off air. We didn't know escape. There's no escape. Well i mean she did get out eventually but it took her thirty years. You know yeah and thankfully you know she. She seems to have found true. Love in was married for fifty years and had a good life after that which is about the best case scenario. You get for someone who has to go through this shit She doesn't find your kid now again about ten thousand women. Were run through the laundry's from about nineteen ninety-two the nineteen nineties. But that doesn't give the whole story of the scale of church incarceration in ireland. The laundries were one set of institutions. Were also work houses for young boys and young adult men who'd been incarcerated as children. There were asylum for people with special needs. The irish times writes quote in the nineteen fifties. This country locked up one percent of its population. We incarcerated more people per head of population than stalin did in russia the catholic church during hierarchy of the cold war incarcerated a higher percentage of the irish population for like stealing apples and shit then stall in did in the ussr not to whitewash. Let's let's let's keep in mind the scale of the crimes of the catholic church. Yeah that's putting up some serious numbers like you come in here with a triple double and no one even knew gotta like that and points. A lot of people will rightly make. Is that the irish. The catholic church in ireland ireland in its earliest decades of independence was a theocracy. It was not a free nation. They had fought so long for free and and again. That's why i started with the english. I don't wanna just be harping on the cat just harping on the irish government of the catholic church because part of this is inevitable despite. How horrifically abused. They are by the english right. That's how abuse works in societies as well as individuals if you don't actively attempt to reform it it gets perpetuated down through the generations. Truly the only trickle down economics is so. It's important that we know as much as we should be blaming the catholic church in the irish government in this period. A decent amount of this is also one fucking great britain right. They start a lot of the they start a lot of this cycle of trauma in part they start because the government has no money. Has this need for the church. Provides services in because being catholic had been oppressed for so much it would come part of the irish identity of oppression which led to people not being as sort of you know and they'd massacre at a lot of the people who maybe would have fought for a more secular state. You know all of this stuff factors into it but ireland is a fucking theocracy in this period of time with a brutal car. Cerrell state and yeah. It's it's it's cool. It's cool and good. Sophia and on thursday. We're going to talk about how the most popular board game company in the world tied into all of this but sofia. That's a story for another day. Oh may i wear my monopoly man next. Please dresses the monopoly man. 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