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A Modern Talk with David Frangioni

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59:09 min | 4 months ago

A Modern Talk with David Frangioni

"If you like drum history and would like to support the show head over to drum history. Podcast DOT COM click the Patriots link? You can contribute as little as two dollars a month and get some really cool perks now onto the show. Look into the drum history podcast. I'm your host Bart van der Zee and today. I am very honored to be joined by David. Francioni the publisher of Modern Drummer magazine. David how are you? I'm doing great. Thank you Barak. Great to be here everyone And it's An and as I said that I was thinking you have a lot of different titles. I mean you are an audio engineer. You work in studios. You're an author You've got all sorts of cool stuff on. You're you're a busy man yes You know a lot of things happening and They all interconnect even though it may not look like it at the surface and I know that Many of the things I do are fulltime jobs for a lot of people But I've found a way to combine all of these different passions that I have into a career and And it's you know it's amazing very very blessed very grateful. Yeah I think It's probably across guitar and Bass but I think musicians are really good about making things work for them like if you like audio engineering and drumming you can put it together and find out. Find a way to make that work So well in their hand in glove as well right think about how much CH- Audio engineering comes into play to be a part of what you do I mean. You're you're an engineer Drummer Yuppie. You know that those are very very useful powerful musical tools to have you know from a technology and an audio engineering input yet and I think now more than ever because we live in an era where you can't just say. Oh I'm an engineer. You can't say I'm a tracking engineer. I'm a mixing engineer. Hire me you basically. I think for a lot of people. What makes them stick out his? Oh also good after-effects or I'm also good with Photoshop. And it's like Ooh you stand out you have an extra little something. So it's it's you know as a drummer. It helps to know able ten into no pro tools so well I agree with that Bart and I'd like to expand So that everybody can take away from this time. We're spending together some really valuable things that they can apply to their own life and one right now Is You have to be a multitasker When we talked a minute ago about all the different types of careers I have and and and all the different businesses CETERA. It all stemmed from very early on like literally before I was a teenager. I was starting to see playing the music business at such a young age as a drummer. Having very big aspirations I was starting to see even that young eleven twelve plan in clubs and playing in bands. That if you put all your eggs in one basket it's not only very scary for making a living but it's also very limiting to how far you can take your your goals your art. So it's twofold we've got to be able to make a living to be pros in what we do and in order to do that. You know when a project comes along you have to be ready enable to do it. I also believe you should be passionate about. It shouldn't just be about having a career path to make money. It should be about finding career pads that you're really passionate about and they're really important to you. They almost do for free. If you could make a living otherwise And that for you and when you combine some of those you know you just really turned into a professional that has a lot to offer any project so if you just look at the example of a drummer engineer Which you know if we go back Dave wackle to me. One of the greatest drummers ever will always be one of the greatest drummers ever and I followed his career from when he was in Bridgeport Connecticut commuting to New York City and starting to make noise in New York City With French toast and and the whole way through and in my point in doing in following his career and understanding that is he was always multitasking. Even though he was one of the world's greatest drummers and becoming one at that time he learned about latronic she learned about sound he learned about the studio and all of these different talents that he didn't just have an awareness of but he actually worked on it and an expertise in them. That really took it to another level so now you have one of the world's greatest drummers gets great sound understands the studio can collaborate with the team live or in the studio on. Hey I think we should do this or that to get a better drum sound and it's just such a powerful combination to launch and have a career from so that's what I I'd like to really encourage everyone hearing us today. Take a look at where you're at if you're already doing two or three things And you and you love what? They're what you know what they are. You may still have a long way to go in terms of following The pursuit of them growing your ability within them but point is that you know if you're if you're good with what you're doing and where you know what the combination is then from there. Don't stop grow learn. Put yourself in uncomfortable situations so you can really grow even faster and if you don't do that if you're if you're someone right now listening to us and you're doing one thing just beware that you know it's it's you're limiting yourself for no reason and And you're really in a position where you're not being conservative enough in a music related business or most businesses for that matter if something should go sideways Or a project should come along that you need to be able to do one more thing to get It'll be too late so do it on now and I think that's really important. I'll tell you guys a really interesting story when I first started working with band. Arrowsmith which I've now been working with them since one thousand nine hundred eighty nine thirty one years. I think and when it when I first started I was doing a lot of technology work and I remember The Guy saying to me you know. Look Technology's really important to us. We have a lot of need for what you're doing but we also need you know other aspects of of the studio help you know. You'll engineer on this day or You know do you know work on the console another day or you know fly samples another day whatever and And I remember thinking to myself in. This was all like in a split second because it was a very it was a real time conversation. I remember thinking I've got to push myself like they would describing some things that I had. I didn't have a lot of experience at that time. Some of the things. I was already very very accomplished in other things. I was learning and And I made the call to like really jump into a scary as hell because I'm working for my idols. At that time it was the biggest GIG that I had. I had some great credits prior to our but but not long-term credits they were just like you know. I went and worked with Elton John for week. Right in the projects over. And you know that was that But with our Smith was ongoing so it was very very scary to kind of look at this amazing Group heroes a mind this opportunity and it was. You know as amazing. Yeah I mean everything you're saying is so true and you're faced with those moments where you think like it just makes you like your heart. I don't know if I can do this. You new task comes but I always think that's like a benchmark like the after that you go okay. Well it can't be as hard as that last. You know at that point monumental task so you really like I just think everything builds up like everything gets easier after you do those. Your next mega thing that you're super nervous about whatever. It is a big session that you're not the you're out of your element on your alone you're doing. You've always been an assistant now. You're doing it alone right. Everything's easier adults growth moments. Yes milestones like checkpoints. I mean it's just it's it's a huge thing so everything is so reluctant Bart in the moment the aftermath is what you're describing. It's a huge. Transformation was life changing but in the moment is no less scary. And it's almost. There's almost an equation. Where the scarier it is. The bigger the outcome will be. I think that That's that's what you've got to remember it so much easier to say than do but you gotta do it. You can't just say you gotTa do it She only way you grow. We could use a million examples. We want to use a very simple one. I think everybody gets it at this point but if we want to use a simple one you go to the gym. You know you work your muscles and until you're sore and then you stop and then you recover in whole process whether you realize it or not as you breaking your muscles down and you're actually you know you're working them in that way. It's the same thing in this race. Where you're you're actually breaking your feet. Your fear out yeah totally. I'm a big believer in And I always think about this to myself. I'm like man if I started to say like even you know playing the drums for all right if I started playing guitar like two years ago. Imagine where I would be at now. I would be two years deep like no matter. How old you are if you start now. Yeah fast forward. Two years you're going to be great but if you don't start then you'll be no further along in. That's obvious but again I always even with exercise or whatever you just gotTa start so will you wrote a mile and starting is so easy to talk about. But you know there's a lot of people always have a reason And they don't even realize they have a reason you know I. I see a lot of people that come to me for advice in I'll I'll cons- you know one of the things that I do is making a living as consultants and so people hire me to You Know Give Them. Guidance advice on many different levels for many different views usually around music entertainment business almost exclusively but nonetheless The ideas are very similar where someone will come to me. And I'll do a deep dive and really start to unfold like what's going on and they won't even realize how they just let distractions rule and they don't even see the distractions as distractions. But they just get to the end of the day and they go while you know like I'm I'm not anywhere I haven't started anything. Maybe I put my little foot in in the in the pond but for five minutes. But I really haven't done anything. And it's all these little distractions all these little things that it's all fear Just holding people back and it's disguised in many forms. But you know you really starting is underrated. You know you really have to get out there and start. So that's our advice. Now you and I are really aligned on modern drummer right. The number one dramatic Zine in the world that I had the privilege of becoming publisher and CEO of Fairly recently and It is the Drumming Bible. It is established in nineteen seventy seven And here we are in this moment. I hope this You know the stay home Goes away soon. People can get back to work in and be healthy and safe But if people are listening to this especially during a stay home moment You know we just got a lot to share and bring value to their lives with today. I'm very excited. Bart. Yeah absolutely so. Let's let's go way back and and I do want to mention to before we go back and talk about the beginning of modern drummer. I saw you speak at the Chicago drum show last year when I think was very close to your coming on board and And it was great. Saves very impressive was that I came on as publisher then and then recently Added Co two. My role will congratulations. I think huge I mean like you said it's just. It's the Bible for drummers. I mean it is it is an. It's earned that it's not like It just sort of happened. I mean it's been a long time so You're the man in charge now. Why don't you tell us a little bit about the history of the magazine going back into the seventies and And how it started and has as much as you can can lay on us. Well Ron SPAG Nardi. God bless him. He and his wife Isabelle started modern Drummer magazine. Ron had the idea In you know the the early seventies for years he had this idea that he wanted to create a drum magazine where everybody could congregate in the drumming world. We didn't have anything like that. And so on so many levels. It's it's so necessary and he created it out of their basement. Launched Modern Drummer. It was nineteen. Seventy seven was the first issue Buddy rich volume one number one. Of course buddy. Of course how appropriate the magazines just took off and it became an is today the top brand in what people know in the drumming world. I literally was a question on jeopardy. You know what magazine do. Drummers read And Modern Drummer. It's unbelievable so it's really it's really earned as you said. It's reputation is the number one brand in the world of of what unifies and educates informs and updates drummers when someone is in modern drummer drummers. Either on the cover or feature. Seguin winning an academy award annually. You're forty three years into modern drummer. You know that's almost half a century and that's we are the only drumming resource that's completely neutral. That's been around that long. That is this trusted and has so many different tentacles to every issue that we publish all of the digital that we curate where it's unbiased and it's versatile so in one issue of modern drummer you read about your favorite drummers or drummers that will become your favorite drummers or you read about your peers you read about what guys are up to read about the current hottest skier you read about the current and hottest products and As well as like you know. Cd streaming music. That's out in video. That's out now Drummers Online percussionist Drum Corps Jazz Rock Metal Latin you name it and You get a lot of education you know. So there's a lot of exercises and a lot of really great insight so one issue takes you weeks to really get through We'VE PRICED IT. So they literally one trip to starbucks and you have an entire month of modern drummer online. All forty three years in the archive as well as the current issue. I mean it's six ninety five a month thrall access We made it insanely affordable. Because we WANNA continue to grow in. Have all drummers? Be a part of this. Because that's how the magazines got to the point. It's at now is drumming. Community wants a needs in respects the fact that there is a voice for their community. There one place that they can trust. And they know that what they see what they learn is valid. You can't say that about any any place else especially the Internet of. There's a lot of theories a lot of ideas out there. But what you get a modern drummers the real deal and And if you were to go out on the Internet you would spend way more time than seven bucks a month no matter who you are what you're doing To put together everything that we hand to to a drummer in one issue. We already go through the process of okay. What's the newest here? What are the newest releases who the hottest drummers who were the drummers that are icons but are doing new things right now who's come onto the scene who's left the world and we need to acknowledge You know who's you know plan studio or to do some cool gangs whose releasing signature series product on and on and to curate. That takes a team one of the best teams in the world of season pros at modern drummer. Full-time WORK FOR US on staff. So one person going out there and try and do that on their own would be you know a big waste of time because we already do it for you and we do it really well. And I think that's how the magazine as got to the point where both in print and digital it is still number one in the world by far and the interesting thing is I when I was in NAM recently You know this was the fact that a lot of people were surprised about it and paused in realized. Oh yeah that makes a Lotta sense and that is our print. Product is bigger than ever drummers. Love to hold Modern Drummer magazine. You would think instinctively because the news print world has become so commoditised and just the general infrastructure for obtaining print product newsstands and bookstores. And all of that are just going away as fast as you blink. But modern drummer print is bigger than ever amazing. Of course most of those people are through subscriptions rights have to. Why would you go to a newsstand when you for your truly a? Bach you can get it delivered to your house And it's It's amazing it's how strong as and when I was at NAM and I was sharing that at first a lot of people were like well while that that kind of bucks the trend and then I would ask them well. Do you read modern drummer. Everybody said yes. Thank you and I asked will. Do you have your back issues or do you read it. Throw it out and I'm telling you not one person said they throw the magazine out and that was the moment like y. You know what I do. I have a stack of modern drummers and I do use them as a as a resource and I do enjoy keeping them Some people put the covers on their wall. Some people you know. Take pictures of him. Some people use them for social media. I mean there's so many incredible things you can do with it of course holding magazine and having the notation to be able to write on it And put it on a music stand or photocopy page to us on a Gig or a practice room. There's just it's endless so really. It's really great. How the magazine? It's print product and of course all the things we're doing on digital because the magazine started his life. Strictly print nineteen seventy seven. That's all there was. Ron Innovated a lot of things you know he innovated drum festivals. The modern drummer festival was always a huge deal. We're going to bring those back Sands huge digital. We've revamped our entire digital world. Where what we're covering and all of that for subscribers right what? We're covering what we're putting on our website while putting You know through all of our different channels is just incredibly helpful and insightful. Two drummers absolutely so personally I have a little like been every year as a kid you know. It'd be Christmas present. Here's your modern drummer subscription for this year here it is for this year so I have and years and years of him and what I do is I take like if I'm going on a trip or something Obviously have the new one that I've read but I'll take an old one because I love just looking back in two thousand one in two thousand five whenever and just seeing what was happening then and like you said nothing is ever like out of date. Maybe the technology has changed but even then coming from my angle of the history of things. You can look at it and go. Wow that's changed a lot or that technology I didn't know that company existed then or are all these things so And another thing I think is cool is I think in a lot of a lot of forms of media. People don't like advertising and go. Oh you know you're watching Hulu or whatever it's like here's another ad I enjoy looking at the drum adds to see who's endorsing what and I think that's a really rare thing with With drumming and it's even with the modern drummer podcast where I hearing. Who's spotlight like dream symbols as always a sponsor I like hearing that because It's it's our industry. It's an industry magazine. Which is what it is so so. It's kind of cool to see like okay. Vinnie's plan Piketty now whoa cool you know you. It keeps you in the loop even on that level so if you can have your advertising be something that I'm interested in I think that's that's huge. You know well I couldn't agree with you more The fact is that the ads are as much of interest to drummers like you described as as the content in the magazine as they go hand in hand. We drummers love to see who's playing what we love the creativity of the ads I mean think. About how many ads are so iconic that buddy rich playing the Tuba on the Zil Jihad? You know from the indies eighties. If I couldn't play Zilja nights switch instruments buddy sitting there with a Tuba of there's just so many iconic ads and I'm you know I really truly. I really truly hope that that get comes back bigger and stronger than ever and I hope that as as the manufacturers have see changes inside of their organizations and younger people or different people come in to their organizations who may not have the history to see to have seen those ads and know what we're talking about in how who'll impactful they are. I hope that that catches up and I hope that that you know on all sides of it. It comes back in a moderate way right. We don't WanNa see the same ads from the seventies and eighties. Nobody thinks that but the same the same emotion when you know when you a lot of companies really get what we're talking about and then there's a few out there that really don't get it they don't they don't understand that when a drummer sees you know Mike Portnoy behind this amazing one of a kind drum get and he in they see you know Tom of the strongest name in drums And you know that that has a huge impact that if they don't see another ad or they see another ad is just a picture of drum kit or two picture of you know some something really simple and basic kind of year like A. There's no comparison than the emotion. What that's going to do to the drummer's decision man. I've never thought about that. That is so true. Well I mean the endorsement in drumming is so important of oh. I love that drummer A he plays d-w now. I want to grow up in by. Dwi I remember seeing the drummer from system of a down when I was like thirteen. And he was playing Thomas Star classics. And then my first real kit that I bought was star. Classic Kit so it. Just is like we're impressionable. I mean you know because drummers come up especially when you're twelve or thirteen big time we we liked gear so We do and we love an MD. Wsa great you know just happens to be one of the best drum drums in the world. And what a what an incredible Incredible Incredible Company But it's but you're right. They you know we drummers love this we love seeing who's not only who but how what and you know what modern drummers been focusing on and we've ratcheted up considerably earn stay home right now is bringing content. That's applicable to right now. So I'll give you an example. I'm personally doing a fifteen day series one day for fifteen days. That's basically like a minute or two long and it's a exercise. Each day is a different exercise out of a really really well known book either Master Studies or New Breed Dharma Lowers. It's your move and Annum focusing on a specific exercise or set of basic exercises where demonstrate them video notation based? I tell you exactly what book will work out of. What page I show you the transcription on screen. I play it and describe it. This is what you do was supposed to satellite and these are incredible shop builders that in one to two minutes you can understand the exercise and then go practice it all day as long as you want. Whenever I'm halftime. WanNa Make Time. And then the next day it'll be something new for fifteen days and in we're going to keep them up of course online so people could go back and do the fifteen days or any any one of the days whenever they want. But this is something so relevant and important drummers right now because it's going to have a huge benefit for them they're playing is going to improve very quickly for the least amount of time and a zero investment. They don't want to buy the book they don't need to put exactly what they need on the screen and there. It is and those kind of initiatives that were really passionate about because we want all things to all drummers to be available all the time and of course our subscribers we're gonNA get incredible benefits because of how much were curated. The content and the print product and the proprietary digital products on our website that early for subscribers the VIP contests that we do for our subscribers. Give the drummer some VIP. Jon Bon Jovi on a Mediterranean cruise. Or you meet the Alice Kansallis from now on stage at the La Forum and he can just snare drum and a symbol on. Then you watch the show from the front row. I mean amazing things. You can't buy in our subscribers Can get them just for entering by being subscriber for free and we sponsor them they're not underwritten so it's really you know that's that world but if you're not a subscriber we still want to bring a lot of content and add value to you and And so that's one of the things like we're doing the fifteen day Stay home exercises for. Everybody is free online Part of modern drummer. We're going to do with Mike Dawson And Michael Melinda digital editor. We're going to do a at myself. A streaming Famous DRUMMER NOT. They won't be live streams in the sense that there little literally live at the moment. But they're going to be premiered streaming events Just much better for drummers to have You know to have an edited product for how we want to deliver it. And then we'll do as and that kind of thing works better for how we envision what we're doing and trying to do it live and a little more limiting and then now we'll stay Online you know forever and that will be free to everybody. Who's interested so it's really this balance of you know if you're in the club you know this endless amount of content value and if you're not then you know you still have an amazing amount of content and value where you can learn about things. Learn how to play better for for Only investment of time which you need to put in any way and And of course you know hear about what drummers and drums earlier in our up to right now. It's pretty exciting time. That is I mean so. You guys are the Goliath in the drum world. Obviously so I think there's a lot of responsibility there on how to handle these times. That are you know people are at home and and and giving them things to work on. So I think you're you know with great power comes great responsibility and I think you're handling it well of sane. This isn't a time to be like. Wow Man dangled the carrot. And be like if you want this you gotta pay for no no not at all at the opposite this. You're absolutely right bar. This is the time where we have to. We have to be all things to all people. there's GonNa be people that You know don't don't have a need For subscribing for whatever reason And we still WANNA bring value. You know it's it's about bringing value to drummers and it's really almost like a better and best if you want best you subscribe and with it comes all of these extra things but if you just one better in his good enough for what your needs are then you just go on our socials and And they're free and they're amazing what we're delivering so it's yeah it's it's not about like trying to convince anybody to do anything to spend money. It's about being a central resource for You know four drummers and drumming all styles all ages all types internationally domestically just every aspect of drumming we cover and we do it You know for free. Basically on our socials as as kind of the better product and then best to subscribe yet and I don't think it should be glossed over speaking of free that I personally I know a lot of the people. Listening are huge fans of the modern drummer. Podcast and I would definitely give them an I. Mike Mike Mike and Mike Credit for being a massive inspiration for me to even start this. I mean I've heard every episode and that's like two hundred thirty five hours of it. Love it thank you. Yeah they're great. They're great I mean we. We love what they're doing. It's it's in a very specific niche. And they do such a great job. They're very passionate course incredibly talented One of a kind. Both those guys in the great great podcast and we're going to be looking to do another podcast product. That's totally different from what they're doing. Coa In the near future you know. So it's it's really about covering all the different basis Because everybody has you know. I don't want to do a bad drum pond in say different strokes for different folks But the fact is that you get it full stroke half-stroke fact is that you know that that there's so many the great thing about drumming in the in the drummer's world is that there's so many different lanes to it and every one of them is a lifelong pursuit and every one of them is incredibly fulfilling and brings a lot of joy to people's lives if people in drum corps that will never play. Bass Drum with their foot at you. Know a trap kit and And they couldn't be happier and they'll they'll be the rest of their life. Go up down the field and loving it when they get a tool to to hold the drum himself. They'll get out front and teach the next generation. They Love Drum Corps. He got guys will only play jazz guys only play metal you know in a Cetera et Cetera et CETERA. And so all of those types of you know we wanNA fill their needs with with everything they need. They need the relevant product reviews for with their into They need to know who the drummer in. Inspirations are for what they're into what releases affect them that they want to check out. There will help the course all the education so so all of these place holders actually have many different lanes within them so it's endless amounts of content that we're producing for people because there's endless endless amounts of consumption that they that helps the one thing that I have personally been working on with. My show is getting messages from people saying hey I'd like to hear something about more Like marching or military drumming. And I did not come from that background. I came from playing in rock bands and doing studio stuff so I need to like get out of my own. What I like world and trying to cater to people who I'm just beyond honored they're listening to the show and give them something that they want to hear and I think obviously modern drummer as a great job of that so I kind of look at that as an inspiration of okay. You know little bit of everything for for everyone is what's best will thank you. You know we we absolutely We try you know we. We definitely put a lot of emphasis on versatility covering all the different basis. And really making sure that there's something for everyone but but with meat on the bone you know like not just a little you know nothing just for the sake of you know like a headline in okay. This is for You know a percussionist and this is for at somebody strictly plays or castrol. Now know this. If we're going there were going deep on it. Re giving you substance That really helps You know your goals and your life. Yeah and if people don't know from this conversation yet that it is a great magazine and people should absolutely check it out And I want to switch gears because we were talking before about the stay home Sort of mindset. And if you're listening to this ten years down the road we are currently in the middle of the coveted nineteen corona virus Pandemic were literally. It's it's sweeping. The world and people are forced to stay home. I mean odds are you're listening to this in a couple of weeks and you're right there with us more all altogether But I do think there's one cool thing and I've been talking with a friend in New Zealand. Andrew Rooney who has the New Zealand Drummers podcast the NC drummers podcast and he's talking about the problems he's having as a drummer he's literally halfway across the world. We are all in this together. I mean we are all being affected and even I do like video and audio freelance stuff. I have been wiped out as a freelancer and I'm sure everyone is in the same boat with with gigging so I think people would like to hear from you will affectionately call you the boss. Because you're the boss of modern drummer. What do you? What do you say about all this? What people are out of their gigs right now. Like what's maybe give him some some words of of hope. Well here's the thing You you have to use this time to get real on a couple of different levels. The first is you have to take a look at what you're doing. This is one of those moments in time that will not only forever changed the world at large but will will and should change our world your world and so in order to do that you have to first take a look at. What am I doing right now am I do? I like what I'm doing because this is the time to change your gun. If you ever heard the saying you got all the time in the world this is literally you have all the time in the world and you probably will. Let's hope you never have this amount of time again in your lifetime. So this is the moment where you do have all the time in the world and with that the first step is get real de alike where you are. Do you like what you're doing. The answer is no find what you do like once you do that. And for the people who answer is yes. The second step is you have to take right now to grow and improve consciously get online and take courses refresher courses new courses practice. Start Your online business. If that's part of what your passion is an fits into your goals. If you're drummer get to the pad get the Kit. And this is the time where you really explosively grow and the people that come out of this with huge evolution are GonNa be the people that always look back at this moment and say that was the moment that not only changed our lives but changed my life and I know this is heavy stuff in it is and should be it needs to be because that's what it is and this is your life doesn't get any bigger heavier than that. This doesn't have to overwhelm you. It just has to consume you in a manner that you really take it seriously and you take decisive action. So the decisive part is step one. Where am I And choosing where you WANNA go right so if it's where you are now great step two is now going to actually take steps to improve and I'm GonNa Practice and really GonNa take it to the next level in step three is get a mentor. Make sure you're not asking your boyfriend girlfriend or mother or father how you sound or how you look or how your business is going. Because chances are they'll say great and that won't be the case you need right now a mentor. You need guidance. You need someone or some group that will say to you. You know. Look No. That's not really that's not really how it is. That's like no you're you're you don't you don't sound as good as you think. Or you know. It doesn't groove or doesn't you know or doesn't feel like this feel like that's you can go back to step two and keep fine tuning it and that's how you're really going to accelerate your growth and then with those three steps when this is over and you have to get back to the real world and no longer will you have all the time in the world. You will have had explosive transformation. And that's what I wish for everybody. man very well sad and I think just jumping off that last point of It's a slippery slope of working in isolation like you said because you you think that you may sound great but you don't want to go in practice the wrong thing for three months and then go boy practice the wrong thing so having those check ins where fortunately we live in time now where you can connect with people for free via like zoom or whatever the APPS you want us to video chat and And I think people are everyone's at home that's the beauty and I'm like I'm like cleaning up with interviews because everyone's at home and they can't escape me so I'm right we will. That's you know that's the way it should be. You're doing you're doing exactly. What is the best thing you could be doing? Is that the. That's one of your passions is to have this podcast an through drum history. Podcast bring you know the these various people in subjects to the world At no cost and And now the access that you have is grown substantially and so you're taking advantage of it And that's in everyone scenario. It's easy to understand in your case because you would have been at home or in a studio in isolated anyway right. But you're you're multiplying because you see that now's the time where people are available to talk and it's easier to schedule etc but the fact is that everybody in every field has a similar opportunity. You may have to go a little deeper to find it in. You may think a little harder. Maybe even go outside the box but you gotta do it because this is you know. This is a one and done time period and and I'd like to see everybody make the most of it. I also did an instagram posts for anybody that wants a you know a little more explanation on this on my At David Francioni instagram and Talk exactly about what you just ask. Which is you know. What should people do right now in the stay home? I saw his Gra. And it'll that's how people grow. I think it's cool to and it's really across some industries. But I like how right now people are like like unlike online lessons. Like the one that comes to mind. Is I know Dan Bailey. Who's great very predominant? Drummer is releasing his like master. Course he was like sixty six percent off or something because it's like everyone's at home use the content. Don't you know it it's like let's bring down the price let people actually buy it Which I think is very noble. Now that being said I do see like Nike doing it and stuff which you know that might not be. That might be more like buy shoes. You not as like you know. Pure is a drummer doing it but I think everyone has good intentions and is just trying to build each other up and in the I always say up at the drumming community very special. Where be at your jazz drummer or metal drummer. We we all really want to help each other So I think we're lucky to have to not be alone. We're we're altogether through so hundred percent Yeah I mean. The drumming community is is so connected and such a brotherhood sisterhood. It's IT'S AMAZING. and You know that's another thing that that I've always thought was so important about modern drummers that you've it's it's it's vital to the drumming community is as anything could ever be because that's what you're only community when you're acting in a in the manner of a community and in order to have that central place where everybody has would which really kind of dictates the community. It can't just be drummer scattered all over the world who loved drums it all has to be centralized to actually turn into the immunity were referring to and that's modern drummer gives it so. I think you know between what everybody has to do with stay home and in that central place of modern drummer listening to resources such a podcast. and really taking a good hard look at what they're doing and how they can improve. This will turn into a moment in time. That will change your life. Yeah absolutely and I do think it's important to stay to save for people like you know it's hard to do it but really staying home and I don't WanNa get political or anything at all because I'm not a political guy but staying home really is very important because that's the only way to stop. I mean people are dying so it's really a very effective way. You literally like everyone keeps saying it but you just have to stay home. There's no there's it's it's relatively easy. Just stay home and don't go out and don't see a bunch of people so well I see most people do in that right. Yeah of course I mean that's one hundred percent right now as we get closer to the end here. I think it would be really neat. You yourself have a very interesting background. So you wrote the book crash which features tons of really cool drum sets. You've worked with major band. So why don't you Take a few minutes and just let people kind of meet the new. Ceo and publisher of Modern Drummer. And tell us about you well. David Francioni My world actually started before I was born because my parents who met right after my dad got a World War Two They're dreaming goal was to have a family and they ended up not being able to have children for over fifteen years of their their beginning of there from the beginning of their marriage. On for no reason the doctors couldn't tell him why so they literally just kept trying to have kids and and you know just kind of accepting the fact that as I got older and older that they may never have this family that they dreamt up then they had my brother John. Three years older than me and he was like a miracle kid to them like. Wow the dodgers couldn't explain why they couldn't have kids and they couldn't explain why they finally did advocate so this was all big mystery and then they had me And that that's my family. My Mom and Dad who are no longer with us on my brother and myself and when I was two I got diagnosed with Retina Bostonians which is cancer the eye and they were sure if I was gonna live so this whole idea of the family that they jumped was now being challenged that they could lose the younger son to cancer at age too so it was riveting very traumatic as you could imagine. Yeah I think losing a child at any age under any circumstances beyond comprehension in terms of sadness trauma for for any parent and They were no different and I ended up. Having to have my right eye removes. I've been blind in my right eye ever since. I only really know in. Remember what it's like to see out of one. I N that really formed my life from then on. I found drumming literally at that age at the time. Of course I had no idea even as I get a little older. I always said I started playing the drums around seven or eight years old but then I then I found pictures lit when my mom passed away in two thousand four. She was my best friend than closest person to me. Ever in my inspiration And really the reason. We're on this podcast right now with with credits in in any kind of success And when she passed away I was going through photos that I had never seen before and I was drumming at eighteen. Nineteen months in two years. Old photos were dated. It was unbelievable right before Mike. Answer and then of course right after so. I've been playing the drums literally my whole life in one form or another at eight years old. I started taking lessons. We couldn't afford a drum kits. I was taking drum set lessons every week from a local public drummer. I in school and then from a guy to music store Mr Willy and that was playing on phone books in pots and pans and tables to emulate a drum kit and eventually I gotTa Use Drum Kit. My parents saved up for a couple years and I played the heck out of that thing and started playing in bands started looking at. How can I be the world's greatest drummer I wanted to do? Something bigger in life than what surrounded me in my neighborhood. My environment was very limiting environment very very blue collar. People kind of stayed in the town. And just you know kind of kind of almost resigned in that area to like. Okay will this is. This is what it is and I was such a rebel against that Zig. No Way I'm going to do big things if it kills me and I worked really hard to accomplish that. I didn't. I didn't just dreaming. I actually did it which I still do to this day. fourteen sixteen hour days on a regular basis. Because that's how much time it takes to do it. You know so after twelve thirteen years. Old playing gigs I starting to lead a band in. I started to learn about booking gigs and SORTA learn about business which I had no idea which really learning I was trying to do is get my band into different venues clubs and whatever But of course with that comes agreements you know. How much are we GONNA get? What's the set time? What's load in load out in all these things that I was just learning all these cool things that had no idea would serve me for my entire life? Found technology through drumming round. Seventeen years old. I was searching for great drum. Sounds technology now or in the early to mid eighties was starting to become very important to drumming. So that's what my first explorations consisted of with like okay. How do I trigger drums? How do I understand the basics of programming drum machine and that a falling in love with technology as much or more as I did drumming and what I saw as my technology career was really taking off and it came very naturally to me is I saw that I became a consultant? Mini consultant got a lot of clients. And I saw that while like in this environment I can contribute to music and take everything I've learned about music and I can do it on a much bigger scale in a much more Passionate in end interesting scale than I could even as a drummer because a lot of the bands and artists that I would dream of working with had a drummer. But they didn't have anybody helping them with technology so yeah it would just kind of a hand in glove fit so I really pursued it than you know. Had A very successful meeting consulting business before I was twenty years old and get through a lot of hard work from starting at zero and then got the Gig with I was referred to them and I came in to do one project for a week and never left and then from there Started to work a lot of other people get a lot of referrals have worked with myriad of platinum record artists that have just made for an incredibly grateful career. You know from secured of the stones to Elton to Debbie Gibson to Ricky Martin to You know sticks journey. Corey mentioned Arrowsmith. Ozzy Osborne Bryan Adams Billy Joel you know. Just goes on and on the privileges. I've had a terms of working with getting called to work with great artists and And then I started a business called audio one because my consulting technology all those areas were really growing. I was doing different projects drums sample CDs with these west. That were very successful. And I had to form a company because I was getting asked to build a lob studios some people even credit me were building the first home studio which I have no idea. That's true or not too great credit. If it is pretty cool yeah yeah. It'd be cool but I was getting a lot of calls to build studios input systems together so I had to form a company. I had to scale it bigger than me. I started audio one which has been in business now for twenty five years Turned into a one of the top companies in the world for building recording studios home theaters in large scale home automation systems. And then I started Protocols Training Dot Com ma which has been a very successful environment Teaching people all around the world for produce and certification through avid and. I started all access idea which is inspire and develop artists Which is not as development program. That's been very successful. We have a label through Warner As well as a great artist development program of course. I have modern drummer now. All of my side projects in addition to these companies And I have Francioni media which is The consulting arm where we consult. We work on new product ideas. We do high level business consulting and Artists Consulting We work on more commercial based projects. Where we'll do a tire facilities and The acoustic designs etc. So all of this fits together and You know here I am with a career now. That spanned well over thirty years. And I've been fortunate enough to receive over seventy gold and platinum records and Have a lot of a lot of artists relations that You know just been an amazing mazing educational ride. Wow historic wrong. Then that's just the case in point of just you know it's it's an example of don't do one thing obviously you can't do one thing right but do a bunch of stuff you know and just and see what happens. I'm sure I would be surprised if you hadn't had some things that you tried. That may be didn't succeed. And you you say I learned from that and Morris. Everyone does well. That's without a doubt. Bart. I mean you know. We're talking about the highlight reel of the things that have been great. You know we can have a whole `nother show on the failures may be two shows and you also mentioned crash. The world's greatest trump kit so in the middle of of these other projects also authored three books bestsellers the first ones. Clint Eastwood icon published in two thousand. Nine they've all been published by insight editions. Which is a fantastic publishing company to Harry Potter and Batman and they're wonderful And then they publish my second book. Which IS CLINT EASTWOOD ICON? Revised expanded edition. Twenty a team still out there doing great and then my third book crashed the world's greatest drum kit so the Clint Eastwood books are all about. Clint's films is art. They were done in collaboration with Clint and Anybody who's into action movies Westerns or anything. Clint Eastwood or anything movie posters and Memorabilia. Collector you're GONNA love Clint Eastwood icon. That Books Coffee Table Book. It's amazing is also for the collector or for anybody who loves drums as you mentioned all these pictures of iconic trump gets. It's part of my foundation. Francioni Foundation Texts drums two seven. Oh seven Oh seven Oh you can donate to Francioni Foundation which at all times for helping musicians in kids who need it most and Francioni Foundation has this incredible drum museum. Where all these drums reside and the book Contains a coffee table. Book contains pictures and stories carmine apiece. Carl Palmer Neo peer. Alex Van Halen You know just on buddy rich. Louie Belsen The list goes on and on and on of Eric Singer Ice Hana chromosome icon of drummers iconic drum kits if you love drums and I would think most of the people on this podcast. Do you gotta get crashed. World's greatest drum kits. It's at Amazon and It's it's done really well and the feedback we've gotten has been extraordinary We did the first. Printing had a couple of mistakes in it that though you know they weren't the end of the world but they were still mistakes so we did a second printing Because the first one sold out so quick and we corrected those mistakes Which were couple of texts to couple of TYPO things And the books just done really really well. And I'm very proud of it in the I did it for drummers and drummers are coming back to me saying we love the book and that's what matters that is what matters. It's cold is too. I love that we can just look at pictures and read about drums from from our our heroes. Yeah isn't that cool? I mean it's just such a cool thing to be able to look through thank you. I agree you know bar. I made the book all three books for that matter that I wanna read and I figure I'm pretty harsh critic of myself and of just creativity in general. I learned Afrim Steven Tyler. He's pretty intense about getting things right and he was very nurturing in all those years. We were in studio together and that rubbed off on me. In a big way between my mother and Stephen that that was a really really prevailing mindset and These books of the books. I would wanna read their books and I I would if I didn't write them. I'd have them on my coffee table and I would enjoy Going through them as a fan of the subjects. Yeah and what you said about Steven Tyler in your mouth. It just goes to show about that the importance of the not working in isolation and having a mentorship and taking people's feedback. Not Getting your feelings. Hurt grow from it expand and do the best possible so love it. You're absolutely right. Well set awesome. Well David thank you so much for sharing all this amazing information with us And I'm really excited about the future of modern drummer I just think it's so cool that it's been around for so long and it's it's got it's n-. There's no end in sight. I mean it is just getting better and better and bigger. Yeah and I'm sure what you're going to do is just GonNa be amazing. We'll thank you You know we brought my drum teacher. Don Familial Arrow who's one of the most famous from educators in the world brought him on his head of Global Education for modern drummer and I want to thank him for introducing the two of us and also thank you doing all the contributions he's GonNa continue to make to modern drummer. Thank you for the support. Thank you everybody listening for the support. Modern DRUMMER DOT COM as bark. Said you know. We're forty three years strong but the best is yet to come and Very grateful for all your support and everybody just stay home if passed this when you listen You Take the principles that we learn. Stay home and apply them. They'll be applicable forever. And I wish everybody the best awesome. Thank you David Francioni. Everyone really appreciate being on the show. 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Bridgeport: Can Localism Help this Beleaguered Connecticut City Foster Meaningful Work?

The Tightrope with Dan Smolen

22:58 min | 9 months ago

Bridgeport: Can Localism Help this Beleaguered Connecticut City Foster Meaningful Work?

"We are at Global Race for innovation. And if we do not prepare and we can't wait for kids to Graduate High School and college we need that work now from Washington Washington. DC This is the tight rope. I'm your host. Dan Smullen our mission on. This podcast is to help. You realize your dream of doing doing meaningful work here. You'll meet and be inspired by amazing. People who overcame great odds you'll discover what sparked them how they explored work. Opportunities -tunities the strategies that they employ to ensure career success and the actions. They boldly took to make it all happen. You'll also meet esteemed and nationally nationally recognized thought leaders who were helping people like you to develop were skill experience and leadership and sees opportunity from a changing world old so that your beautiful work dreams turn into reality together. Let's turn work meaningful for meaningful work is the future of work. The city of bridgeport the second largest in the state of Connecticut was once an industrial powerhouse. FUELED BY NEW DEAL ERA or a federal investment bridgeport became home to companies that supported our armed services during World War Two after the war and through the mid nineteen in sixty s bridgeport needed so much skilled labor that people arrived from across the US in Puerto Rico to live and work there but in the nineteen seventies bridgeport fell into despair companies left town and took most of the skilled jobs with them. Whole blocks of the city's industrial center closed down and high unemployment employment followed and adding insult to injury? Bridgeport lost a thriving downtown where new businesses could start up and restaurants and other attractions could could drive acidic renaissance and their book healing American democracy going local authors Mike Hayes Doug Ross and Morley winna Grad describe describe how constitutional localism is moving decision making and Governing Authority away from Washington to our cities. The result are localities are beginning. Beginning to thrive businesses are succeeding where for decades many had previously failed best of all cities and small communities are becoming places where people want to live and do meaningful work. We discuss localism with Doug. Ross and Morley Winna Grad and a segment not previously streamed they describe describe how bridgeport is one of many U. S. cities that is going local to again. Make the city an attractive place to live and work. We also meet a young entrepreneur entrepreneur. Who has her own? Take on bridgeport efforts at driving localism career counselor and business owner Natalie price described. Some of the challenges is the city continues to face for it to again be a thriving and scaling business and residential community. First up we hear from Doug Ross and Morley winning a grad from an interview recorded over skype in September twenty eighteen. Now let's talk about bridgeport because you guys write about bridgeport in your book. What's happening there? That gives you pause for hope but we talked about in the book is this formation of a millennial generation Shen of civic engagement civic leadership. It's out here in San Bernardino California generation. Now it's generation now in Bridgeport Connecticut as well. The two cities couldn't be more different in terms of the external environment but in both cases and we expected many more in the future. Sure you're going to see these kinds of millennial driven civic renewables and the way they're going to do that renewal they even as challenging as it. It might be in. Bridgeport is not by using the old formula. Well let's go ask the federal government to give us money because we don't have any resources it's instead going to say okay. Hey let's start with the resources we have. Why do we live here? What do we like about living here? What are the assets of the place? We're in why do our friends and colleagues in generational interational peers What they do for entertainment and employment? What are they WANNA do? What would they like sea change? How can we create a governing structure? That's it's focused here and not elsewhere or up and therefore they get very civically engaged they get involved in. WHO's on the city console? Who's on the School Board House? The the police department functioning. What are we doing to to you know? Fix The roads and fix our schools. It's all local stuff and by saying saying we can do it ourselves that we don't need helped me off side we will find the resources and the capacity for it here. They begin to transform this old twentieth century. Hope of a place that they inhabit into one that is adapted to twenty first century circumstances. And I'd Dad if you look at a number of the cities that have come back. That's primarily how they've done it sometimes. Federal Resources have been involved. But it's a much more honest answer to a region that has become economically obsolete. Then to somehow promise will rescue from Washington. Nobody really gets. It's rescued from Washington. It's about saying as morally said if we WANNA stay here if we value living here we're going to have to figure out a new path forward. It's been hard for people to say politically because particularly you're running for Congress you want to say I will fix it from there but if you really want to change the community in which you live. We're finding that taking it up yourself as the most promising way forward and you live that every day in Detroit right doug you see down the differences Susan the city that you've lived in all your life. I absolutely well. I hope bridgeport can catch up with Detroit in that respect you know one problem. That Connecticut Has Connecticut is so bifurcated between haves and have nots and bridgeport as a have not place with a very expensive what they call a mill rate. It's the the local tax rate which is very expensive in the cities. And I guess my question is how would a renaissance work in a place like bridgeport. That is so expensive to live in from the standpoint of a homeowner or a city dweller has to pay taxes. Do you have any thoughts on that. Well we I'll go back to the example that Doug gave earlier of a local idea that spread across the country. The reason the Kalamazoo Michigan Civic leadership decided to make college tuition free for anybody who attended Kalamazoo. Public schools was to make that promise the heart of an economic development strategy. The city government as places like bridgeport would do came to those who might influence and have the money to influence influence the outcome of a millage election of you call it a mill rate. They wanted to raise the taxes because they were facing a civic a Governmental Decline in revenues people are abandoning the school district. They weren't getting the money they used to get from the state for each person role because there are fewer you were people enrolled so they were basically downward spiral of central Industri- industries of Kalamazoo having left which were originally a drug companies. And so they came to them and they said you know. Actually that won't work if your solution is to raise taxes. You're only going to celebrate the problem. People will further flee. Leave the city. 'CAUSE it'll be too expensive Even more expensive rather and it'll have even less services and less of a school district. Why don't we find something that would attract people the city instead? And so they came with this up with this idea and they put their money. Where their mouth is these folks funded the I promise program in America on a personal basis just as a philanthropic ventures? It's not the way it's done most of the time now but they basically said anybody who who attends Kalamazoo. Public schools can go to any college in Michigan Intuition. Free and if you go for all twelve years we'll be in fact tuition free and of course what happened was housing started to be built in Kalamazoo. People started coming back to live. There used to drive down the streets and see For Sale sign that said Kalamazoo Promise entitled in which meant that you could could get. You could get the college your kid's college tuition free if you're willing to come in and pay the existing taxes. It's that kind of innovative. Social Innovation Thinking. That's it's going to be required. It didn't depend upon any national resource whatsoever even though you know. There's a dozen states with free college tuition now and over two hundred communities and it's a hot topic even in Connecticut where there's been bills introduced to try and create free college tuition but the idea was. Let's figure out something that would attract people instead of figuring out a new way to pay for what is let's create something new. Now we hear Natalie prices take on bridgeport and it's localism efforts. It's in an excerpt from a full interview. which will stream on the tight rope in? March twenty twenty. We spoke to Natalie from her office via Skype in November Twenty nineteen nineteen. So I get nervous because I understand that we are working with a Lotta case to twelve initiative but I know that there's an immediate generation that needs help now and if we decided to look at this as a whole United States thing we are in a global race for innovation nations and we do not prepare. We can't wait for kids to Graduate High School and College. We need that work now and and it's crate. 'cause I'm I'm really looking at like the new deal and when it was written and what a time it was written it was written during a crisis during the early twentieth century entry. Right we were going to the Great Depression. The economy was at a halt so we needed to do something to to pump the economy. Get it going to get so we did. The new deal came out in phases. The first phase was allowed people to allow but it will dollars they come into communities like bridgeport and fun certain project project and people were able to get work off of that right and if you were skilled worker you got paid a dollar twenty and if you were unscaled to get fifty cents. People came from All over the country to push poor to be able to get work just because of bad news deal. Right the new deal funded trainings. It even funding some housing initiatives so that people can have owning property to drive taxes in certain areas. We need a better deal ever need a new way. We need to do in need a better deal so you talk about bridgeport and the new deal so give you some historical perspective and the listeners listeners. Probably know by now because I talk about it a lot. I'm from New Haven Twenty Miles East up by ninety five from bridgeport so throughout throughout the nineteen hundreds the twentieth century bridgeport was a major manufacturing center. The new deal well actually poured a lot of money into southern Connecticut and in particular places like bridgeport. So that when World War Two broke out there was such a need for talent for people to work in Bridgeport that immigrants came from Puerto Rico and people from the deep south migrated up up to Connecticut to take on these jobs. Well we fast forward from the nineteen forty s to late nineteen sixty s early nineteen seventies and whole blocks of bridgeport. Start shuttering down jobs. Go Away unemployment. goes up that old thing that built bridgeport suddenly really isn't working anymore and the need for Washington to fund. Enterprise wasn't working and places like bridgeport doc which were built to drive. Industry suddenly foundered. So you're in a laboratory right now. Twenty Nineteen Bridgeport bridgeport. Trying to come back and talk about a new kind of new deal. Bridgeport spin illustrated as a place. Where a new kind of new deal called? localism is happening whereby the city is realizing that it needs to bootstrap a little and create innovation from within and not necessarily from Washington. You've had a front row seat to this and I'm wondering if you can describe. How bridgeport is faring? Through all of that so I think that in terms of business and bridge poor. And what's happening. I think that business doesn't drive if there's not enough traffic right so we have a downtown but we don't have enough traffic in the downtown right. There's not a balance. It's not really a good balance of retail and in restaurants. We are just starting to get people moving down here but we would need a lot more people down here to see that bump and Chatfield that we need. No I call it like the New York City few or even the new haven feel at that right but it has to be be that but I also so think that there's there's infrastructure issues that prevent some of that right so we have sidewalks that Kinda be repaired Alley we need better lighting in certain areas not that it's not being worked on but there could be areas improvement. We can open up a business but if there's no when there are two to patronize the business and that's what we're seeing right now I don't know the state of where the direction of bridgeport is going. As a whole I know when Natalie is doing her part to be able to move some initiatives forward but as much as I respect the idea India of localism I do believe that localism work also when leadership is instinct right so and our leadership is just. It's not instinct in and this is what we were going to be dealing with and so that just makes me as an entrepreneur who has put a lot outta skin in the game makes me say okay so all this work I've put into this. How do I still get the benefit out of it and to me I just they committed inconsistent right? That's never fails me. That has never failed me. As long as I am committed inconsistent and committed doesn't mean that I'm giving my office or something committed means means that I'm going to start this project. I'll make sure it has the right support that it needs to be able to look in the way that it needs to work to be effective but in the meanwhile other opportunities opportunities that may not be related said. I'm interested and I think that's the way sometimes that we have to seek. Well you mentioned new haven so the similarities similiarities between new haven and bridgeport is both cities used to have big downtown malls where people congregated. Both cities no longer have malls. The difference is is that in new haven you at Yale University pumping dollars into the city's economy through people and people were there and they want a good place to dine out or buy something interesting. Bridgeport once Lafayette Mall closed down. I want to say in the Early Nineteen Ninety Ninety S. I don't remember there being downtown. So that's that's a big disadvantage now from my perspective. I and I'm listening to what you're saying. Natalie Natalie I think were some of the local Listrik impacts could actually happen is perhaps through things like a maker movement where people people make stuff the spoke things tools processes merchandise and they do it locally and they built a reputation Ford. And I'm wondering if you're seeing any of that happen in your city. Well I I guess I would say yes because I do own. A store called the coal exchange age which we have local entrepreneurs that are making and creating your own brand To be able to have a space to sell their merchandise so I am I am seeing it on a definitely staying in a local level I just think that this is just the the stability ability of it is my concern right. So how do we keep it that it's lasting and that means like the person that is making these organic candles. How do I make sure that she can turn this really until viable business and that it lasted and that can't happen unless I really give her the true resources of having a space Aweso giving her the resource of knowing you need a strong online presence to be able to sell your and that's just the reality see what I don't want to do is give people false hope of over going right back to what we used to be? Do you remember when facebook and the DOT COM era started. Nobody nobody believed. It can't live like that anymore so we have to live. We have to pay attention to the conditions emerging an immediate that are happening around it in immediate condition is that Amazon. It's opening a warehouse ten miles for me. An Amazon is taking over a market of of online retail. That is an immediate thing happening happening. And how do I get people that I'm coaching. That are working with. They have product to be able to understand that reality so that they're prepared to get into it. We can no longer make entrepreneurship. Sound like this fairytale and the reason why because it's now becoming the Cobra. Well I think one one thing that has changed is the idea of scale. The old idea of entrepreneurship was scale. That you wanted to have a these call hockey stick that that at some point revenue went up rather than down but did so consistently I think the idea of scale now and the reason why I was asking about localism is that I I actually see some evidence that the idea of scale is changing to something that is smaller because smaller muller is often more attainable or should I say attainable. Maybe a company that grows can do so with Ted Ed people and not have to hire hundred people. And maybe that's better for some companies not all but maybe some I think Amazon is freaked out a Lotta people. Hey down here in the DC area. They're taking over crystal city. Virginia and a lot of small businesses are going to be threatened it and Bhai business rents going up walk. Cost of living is going to spike this big monolithic moving in they're gonNA hire twenty five thousand people. Many of whom are GONNA be high tech trained so those salaries are gonna be starting at one. Hundred fifty thousand may be going higher. What what is what happens to the small business owner who was in Crystal City Virginia prior we have to figure out how our local municipalities redo charters that protect chat small businesses like create small business zones that cannot be touched by big entities like that? So what I realize is that we has to really become rethink everything. They're like we have to say this is a blank canvas and we have to rethink how we are going to live because we have a lot of major disruption that will continue to happen and especially if as technology continues to get better. It's GonNa get faster and faster. We're just going to be disrupting things out right. So how do we protect small business owners right. How does like so it's Amazon is coming here? How do we protect? Make sure that the funds that they get find small business project right so maybe they do get a local tax and and then there's a small business to exit. They have to like most to create that in our local municipalities or state. Because we've already know that they're not they they they they pay little bit to nothing nothing in federal tax. So what can you know. We know what you're going to be here that needs to be a transportation tax. There's GonNa be a lot of people hustling and bustling through City Hayes road. You're going to be taking care of. These are just ideas. Thanks to Doug Ross morally winner Grad and Natalie price for walking the tightrope with US links to the healing American democracy. Going local book page Amazon and Natalie Social Media are are provided in the show notes for this episode. 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Best Christmas Movies

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Best Christmas Movies

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It's about an hour and ten minutes outside of the city so I had to pick up a Van Because I was going to be driving a bunch of other of my coworkers there which is not unusual. And I'm happy you to do that I like to drive. I Miss Driving. I'm happy to do that. Here's the only thing I had to pick the van up at nine. Am and I had been working. I worked on. This was on Friday on Wednesday. I worked I had to be at work which was in midtown tone at three thirty in the morning. Oh I that's not an exaggeration and it's not just an and outright lie. I had to be a work that day at three thirty in the Goddamn morning and I worked until three PM. So That's twelve hours hours right there. Then Thursday I worked again and so I really hadn't gotten a whole lot of sleep is what I'm trying to say I hadn't I wasn't very well rested when picking up this van to the drive fifteen other soles to bridgeport Connecticut's work now. That was my understanding that that because I was you know. I've been working a shitload that week. And because you don't WANNA put people's lives in danger that I would not be staying in Bridgeport Connecticut that late we I was the second vantage there. There were like seven of us driving and so oh. My van arrived around one PM. The event ended at twelve thirty at night. But there are six six or seven vans into we're GONNA be staggering departures because we always do that and so with the understanding that I wouldn't be the last van to leave. I figured okay. Well I'll probably leave. Then the event around nine nine. PM or ten PM. Because that's how it always goes well for for some God forsaken reason this event they decided. Did you just go ahead and keep all the drivers. Keep all the vans there until the very end so. I'm not very happy about that. But we are told at least at the very released go take like an hour before or not even an hour and take thirty minutes before we head back to the city to go rest in our vans. So I do that. I mean I don't know how much resting you can really do in a parking garage in bridgeport connecticut with some dude literally walking past my van and peeing on the car next to me. That literally happened but some in there. I'm kind of you know I have the engine at some point. I turn the engine off because I don't have just waste. Yeah I mean gas and energy and so like an hour later at one or so in the morning were finally told. Okay you're cruise going to be coming out and you're going to. You're going to be good to go well at that point. I am pissed and I'm like well. You know this dangerous. This is not what I was told. I'm irritated. I'll just turn the car on. At least you know we can get out of here quickly. Well I turned the key the car. The van is dead. Totally dead. Now I will. I'm I'm a pragmatic real person. Okay so I I take the blame for that however in the forty five minutes or so that I had been quote unquote resting in that Van. I only had the engine off and you know the power are on. If you know what I'm talking about for maybe ten or fifteen minutes that should not be long enough to completely lee drain. A battery shouldn't and I think if there was a adequate not old and totally drained battery battery in that van. It wouldn't have because it was not let me look. I know that I shouldn't I shouldn't have had like the the ignition. The key in the ignition. If I'M NOT GONNA have the engine on because it can drain power but it was fifteen minutes tops regardless the vans dead so now now we have to find jumper cables to jump the van that takes forever. It's miserable process with. There's too many people that were dealing with. Everyone's cranky cranky. We finally get the car jumped and we drive home. Fine takes forever. Whatever and I'm really tired? But it's not just that I'm tired it's that Dino. We know from Connecticut back to the city is it's like winding highways and people had their brights on. oftentimes I felt like I couldn't really see not my lane I could. It was so fucking dangerous that I hope no one in the car realized how fucking hairless the situation we were in anyway. Finally get back finally drop people off. Drop the car back off head home about thirty minutes after I get home so by the time coming back to my apartment in Brooklyn it's gotTa be four thirty in the morning and I feel my nose starts to run. I swear to God this just keeps getting worse. I feel my nose you start to run I wipe at it in its blood so my nose is bleeding. Now that's not. Actually that unusual unusual. I used to get bloody noses all the time as a kid I think I just have you know sensitive sinuses or Septum. 's up there so you know the sign of blood from my nose does not freak me out and it's not even that crazy or unusual however because I'm so kind of you know used just to get bloody noses I'm almost I'm typically able to play them off to the point where we could be having a conversation and you probably won't even know that I'm dealing with a bloody nose. I can can suck enough times until my head up a little bed and before I know it. It's it's taken care of. It's not bleeding anymore. Well this was the bloody nose like I had never had before and it came out of nowhere. I did not hit myself in the face. I did not bump myself in the nose. I had not in picking my nose but my no started to bleed to the point where like I had fistfuls of tissue smashed mashed against my face and it was bleeding through. It was like a faucet and it would not stop at one point. I look in the mirror here and there was blood. All over my face with the tissues up again you know smashed against by knows and it's like dripping it looks like someone has been brutally Italy murdered in my bedroom and bathroom. It takes me like an hour to get this goddamn thing under control and the only explanation I can think of is that I had taken a few aspen. Throughout the day to deal with any aches and pains that I was dealing with having not slept for sixteen years and so at that probably thinned my bro- blood and made it harder to stop the bleeding but holy hell. How is that for Friday? y'All I thought surely I'm cursed surely this is assigned from the heavens. That wants me to die a terrible bloody death and surely early. I'm surely it was not fun. That was fun. How was your Friday though? Was it as exciting as mine. I don't know if it could have been any worse. I I'll tell you that much right now. Any who you're listening to the next best and that's all and okay. We'll be back right if he brooklyn is a five a one. 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There's been some news we're not gonNA spend too much time. I'm on it because honestly at this point is not too much new to discuss everything that trump has done. We know and it's not a matter of whether or not he's done it. The questions. Christians have always been. What are we going to do about it if anything so here? We go last Wednesday marked the first public hearing of the Judiciary Committee and the impeachment the proceedings against Donald Trump and it. It was a bit of a constitutional law class for the country. Now that's not to say that it was dull boring or lame but rather that it consisted of law professors from UNC. Harvard Law Stanford Law. They were all there arguing. Emphatically that the power of impeachment it was put in the Constitution and assigned to Congress in the way that it was by the framers of our democracy specifically to check and block and potentially potentially remove a president who has done what this impeachment inquiry shows. Trump has done. It's not a question of whether he did it. It's not not a question of whether he's guilty he is. The question is what does it mean. And what do we do about it here are some of the highlights. And so we have constitutional bribery here the high crime and misdemeanor of constitutional bribery against President trump. If you conclude that that he asked for the investigation of Vice President Biden and his son for political reasons that is to aid his reelection. Then yes you have bribery here. I just want to stress. That if this what we're what we're talking about is not impeachable. The nothing thing is impeachable. This is precisely the misconduct that the framers created a constitution including impeachment to protect against in the. There's no action if Congress concludes. They're going to give a pass. The president here is professor. Carlin suggested earlier every other president. Listen President will say okay then I can do the same thing. And the boundaries will just evaporate and those boundaries are set up by the constitution and we may be witnessing unfortunately there erosion and that is a danger to all of us Professor Feldman you were somewhat of an impeachment skeptic at the time of the release of the Muller report were you not. I was what's changed for you sir. What changed for for me? Was the revelation of July twenty fifth call and then the evidence that emerge subsequently of the president of the United States in a format where he was heard by others now now known to the whole public openly abused his office by seeking a personal advantage in order to get himself re elected did an act against the national security of the United States and that is precisely the situation that the framers anticipated what happened in two thousand sixteen was bad bad enough. There is widespread agreement. That Russian operatives intervened to manipulate our political process that distortion is magnified if a sitting being president abuses the powers of his office actually to invite foreign intervention to see why imagine living in a part of Louisiana uh or Texas that's prone to devastating hurricanes and flooding. What would you think if you lived there? And your governor asked for a meeting with the president to discuss getting disaster aid that Congress has provided for. What would you think if that president said I would like to do? I would like you to do us a favor. I'll meet with you and I'll send the disaster-relief once you brand my opponent a criminal wouldn't you know in your gut that such a president president had abused his office that he betrayed the national interest and that he was trying to corrupt the electoral process. I believe the record shows wrongful. Acts on that scale here. So there you have some of the highlights. It seems seems pretty clear doesn't it. I mean they don't seem unsure they don't seem to waver on their feelings of where this falls now of course there was a witness called by the Republicans his name was Jonathan Turley. He's a professor. Who has actually argued impeachment cases before her? I should note always unsuccessfully but that's neither here nor there he was there to argue on behalf of Republicans that in this case ace in this case with Donald Trump. You know there should really be no rush to judgement. Let's slow down a bit. You know Congress should take all the time in the world to fully explore and investigate each and every accusation made against the president. They should be allowed to sit and sift through the courts for a while. Because hey you know what's the hurry. That was his argument. I I mean he wants it to be basically sit and gross stale and the court system so that no one so that people kind of forget about it well. Here's an important piece that I think needs to be slammed into people's minds. Who cares what we know or what we think the you know? Sorry but Americans have short attention spans and who cares what we think Congress. They have a job to do. They have the constitutional responsibilities to carry out. It shouldn't matter what we think or what we are four. We elected them to lead us now. Now lead I mean we elected them. I say kind of ironically. Donald Trump got three million fewer votes. But that's beside the point so anyway having these four learned law professors argue about the constitutional basis for impeachment. Now that's just part of how we handle this whole process process here in America. Of course both the Democratic and Republican members of the committee. They get their chance to ask questions to question witnesses To argue to make whatever case they want to make to make their case to I guess the American people but really for or against impeachment it for or against whatever now in this case here with these professors at this hearing. Can you guess guess. What kind of arguments the Republicans tried to make again? We're not arguing whether or not donald trump did these things. That's all in the the jury's back on that we know he did these things were arguing whether or not they are impeachable whether or not they violate his oath of office and whatnot so can can you guess what kind of arguments the Republicans tried to make. Well here's some example Professor Gerhard. You gave money to Barack Obama right. My family did yes four times. That sounds about right yes. Mr Feldman wrote wrote articles entitled Trump's wiretap tweets raise risk of impeachment. He then wrote mar-a-lago add belongs and impeachment. File my question professor. Ezra Feldman has since you seem to believe that the basis for impeachment is even broader than the basis that my democratic colleagues laid forward. Do you believe you're outside of the political mainstream extreme on the question of impeachment. I believe that impeachment is warranted whenever the president abuses his power for personal benefit or to corrupt the democratic process. Fisher Karlyn you gave two thousand bucks or you gave a thousand bucks to Elizabeth Warren Right. I believe so you gave twelve hundred bucks to Barack Obama. I I have no reason to question that gave two thousand bucks to Hillary Clinton. That's correct so much more for hillary than the other two. Because I've been giving a lot of money to charity recently because of all the poor people in the United States. Those aren't the only those aren't the only folks you've been given two now you have you ever been on a podcast called versus trump. I think that was on a live panel that the people who ran the podcast called versus trump on that you remember saying the following liberals liberals tend to cluster more conservatives especially very conservative people tend to spread out more perhaps because they don't even want to be around themselves elves. Would you say that. Yes they did do. Do you understand how that reflects contempt on people who are conservative. No what I was talking about. There was the natural tendency if you put the quote in context the natural tendency of a compactness requirement to favor a party whose voters are more spread out. Well and I I can hold on again. I'm a Mary Limited on time professor. And so I just I have to say when you talk about how Liberals WanNa be around each other and cluster and conservatives don't WanNa be around each other and so they have to spread out it makes people you may not see this from you know. I like the ivory towers of your law school but it makes actual people in this country when smells mental. Get to interrupt me on this time. Now let me also suggest that when you invoke doc the president sons named here when you try to make a little joke out of referencing Barron trump that does not lend credibility to your argument. It makes you look mean it makes as you look mean now first of all. There's so much to unpack here first of all when he talking when what he was just saying. When you invoke the president's name to make a little joke here he's trying to make it sound like this woman was in fact bullying publicly mocking or making fun of Baron trump? She did nothing of this kind what she did at one point in her I think think opening statements. She simply said that we live in a democracy where there are no kings. There are no dukes there are no duchesses. We don't live in a monarchy. She said the president is perfectly free to name his son Baron but he is not free to make his son a baron. That is what she said. That's what Matt Gaetz here was referring to when he you said that you know making a joke about the president's son just makes you look mean it wasn't a joke first of all and it was hardly mean you a little pussy bitch. She was pointing out that the president is not above the law. We don't have kings or Queens or barons that's all that's all and Did you notice how nothing nothing. You just heard this. Man Matt Gaetz. Who is a congressman from Florida? Nothing you heard him say had anything to do with anything. He's asking them questions about whether they're not. They gave money to politicians in the past like that matters. What is what is this about? You know they always you know Oser never-trumper that's an Obama judge oh he was a hillary supporter. First of all. Do we are the so. Is that to say that these Republicans actually think that anyone who didn't support Donald Trump should be considered on incredible when it comes to giving testimony expert testimony on something like the Constitution. These are law professors. Who Cares who they gave money any to? What does that have to do with their knowledge of the Constitution? Nothing I mean this is. It's the most bizarre thing to me. You gave money to Brock Obama. Okay so the fuck. What do we really think like that people people we need to call? You can only call expert witnesses if they have no opinions on any politicians or any political topic will will then frankly. They probably are boring people and I doubt I mean Indian telling person has an opinion has has some beliefs who cares. That's not what's at stake here. That's not what we're asking. I mean this would be like if haagen-dazs is if the vanilla ice cream that Haagen Dazs produces turned out to be poisonous and killed some people. Well if I were recalled in to be a witness because I had seen it kill people and some lawyer for haagen-dazs found a podcast on which I mentioned that I hated vanilla ice cream and I said it was my least favorite flavor. I Hate Manila ice cream. I hate it I hate it. I hate it and then they brought that up in trial instead Mr Learner. Isn't it true that you hate vanilla ice cream. You've said it before you said you hate you hate you hate it here. We have the recording. What would that have to do with my ability to try a case where vanilla ice cream killed people who cares what ice cream? I think we're talking about poison. It's so I'm just tired of hearing this type of rancid bullshit. It Rank Bowl Shit. I wish there was like a monitor. Just someone from outside sources I who was put in place to whenever they start asking random knee meaningless questions about stuff that makes no difference when it comes to the topic at hand and he will cut him off. Say Harsh exactly anyway. So that's going on the news. That's what's going on in the world so folks. I put out a feeler a question about a week ago. I asked the world for their favorite Christmas Miss Movies. We talk about a lot of movies on this show. We've talked about scary movies. We've talked about movies scores. I often review new movies. Well I asked the world world. What their favorite Christmas movies were and the results are in a lot of people voted? A lot of people voted for. It's a wonderful life. Frank CAPRA's wonderful life now that seems like a classic to me of course and you might be surprised. I'm a little ashamed to admit that I've never never even seen. It's a wonderful life off. I know but it's the truth. I've never seen it. I mean there's so many lists of Christmas movies the best Christmas movies of all time G. Q.. has put out a list. ESQUIRE has of course buzzfeed because they have lists nonstop nonstop in their movies on. That list are crazy to me like a Christmas prince. One Magic Asia Christmas last holiday White Reindeer Office Christmas party. The night of these are movies. I've never even heard of and I'm like what the fuck are. Are we even talking about here. Now as I said I asked the question recently and some people had pure nonsensical answers. One friend of mine inside their favorite Christmas movie was Batman and Robin. Why yeah makes no? Oh since at all. I've heard some people call. Batman returns a Christmas movie. But Never Batman and Robin doesn't make any GODDAMN cents. Okay no sense no got them. Since one movie that some people mentioned and that I actually do love would be a little film called the family stone. You don't have to be nervous. I'm not they're gonNA love you. There's nothing harder her then joining a family intends to give that girl my mother's wedding ring especially one like the stones got this throat clearing tick and so she's thinking thinking for clams really yeah. They're all watching. You know funny anymore of making you feel at home. You have a lovely home of better to entertain and my dear. Don't dilly dally. They're pretty lady. We're all GONNA be down here. Talking about you see is completely uptight sleeping with you in your bed in your parents. House centric bedrooms. It's so silly uncovered and Mary is going to get Mary Four. Were beekeeper. Ring Pride always a bridesmaid never bride. Hey hate was figuring. Give her a hard time. Have a good laugh and then back off meredith checking into the end and our sister. Julie's giving up Christmas with her entire family in order to be with Mary. I'm ashamed of all of you even you high Hi All right well. That's about enough of that. So the family stone if you've never seen it it If follows the Christmas holiday misadventures of the stone own family in a small new England town that come about when their eldest son played by Dermot Mulroney. He brings his very uptight girlfriend. Friend played by Sarah Jessica Parker home with the intention of proposing to her with a cherished. heirloom ring overwhelmed by the hostile reception option. She begs her sister to join her for emotional support which triggers further complications. Now they're couple things I you know will just point out from the get-go that I did not like about this movie. First of all Sarah Jessica Parker's character seems totally Unrealistic I mean she's uptight to the point of being non-human especially if she has a sister like Claire Danes who shows up and is just as congenial and fun and amicable as a person could ever be. How could these two people possibly have come from the same family and one turn now so rigid and crazy but it also has a very warm loving side to it many good aspects and a happy ending although this film just destroys me because there is? I won't give anything away. But there is a loss in the family at some point and it just kills me now. It's interesting because this is. This film is tied to yet another one of my favorite Christmas movies of all time which is of course meet. Meet me in St. Louis Louis Me me at the fair. Yeah meet me in St. Louis now people some people don't I don't think of that as a Christmas movie because truly I mean truth be told that movie I think is like two hours long and and the Christmas Porsche it goes through the seasons. You know spring fall summer winter so really. The amount of time spent on Christmas Christmas in meat means a Lewis is not very much but it is very very very memorable in fact the song have yourself a merry little Christmas which is now a holiday favourite. A hit across the world will that song was actually written for the movie. Meet means eight Lewis Louis and it was performed for the first time by my girl. Judy Garland in that movie. And I still maintain that no one has ever ever come up with a better condition golden under new. It will be you you all will be to go onto uh-huh Oh Oh yes one of the best. Christmas songs of all time comes straight from one of the best Christmas movies of all time time. That is have yourself a merry little Christmas from meet me in St. Louis now. The song appears in a scene in which a family is distraught by the father's plans to up and move to New York City for a job promotion leaving behind their beloved home in Saint Louis Missouri. Just before the Long Anticipated Nineteen O. Four world's fair begins no less in a scene set on Christmas Eve. Judy Garland's character. Esther sings sings the song to cheer up her despondent. Five Year. Old Sister Tutti laid by Margaret O'Brien and cheer her up. It did in in two thousand and four it finished at number seventy six AF is one hundred years one hundred song rankings of the top tunes and American cinema and it sure is a good one. Isn't folks Oh. Yeah Oh yeah it is okay so another one of my favorite movies Christmas movies of all time. Time is I consider certainly classic but I think the best part of the movie has to be a certain character. Now I'm talking about National Lampoon's Christmas vacation starring Chevy Chase and the whole gang but my favorite character in that movie is not cousin. Eddy you but aunt Bethany. Here's a taste of Anthony's antics. Science Christmas lights. I'll try not to aunt Bethany. Poll I uh me and figured out the perfect gift field huckle Lewis. You'd have to buy me anything. Can they guessed. Oh that was fun. I love riding in cars you. When did you move to Florida? Ailing US still dating clock. Had any you know you shouldn't have done that. I can. I break wind. Jeez the room clear out peasant he l.. No she means presence. You shouldn't have brought presence and listen. Every day. Somebody moves into a new house. Didn't move into a new house in the living room. Russ this house is bigger than your own. One is Rusty Dylan the Navy Bethany. Why don't you go with Francis and Catherine Lim say hello to everybody did a splashes meowing she wrapped up her damn cat? Take it in the kitchen and open it up. I'm a cat running around the house in the box. Yeah so I'd just love her so like a house on five o'clock going throw me down clack. I just I fucking love and Bethany. Now Am Bethany famously was played by the actress Mae Krystelle to WHO as maybe it won't come as spicy was the original voice of Betty boop and olive oil the animated characters which sounds about right doesn't it he's your housing Fayek down throughout meet down clock EC Pot Clark. Aw and Bethany can't get enough of her okay can't get enough of her and Before we say goodbye to aunt Bethany here is another great scene of amp Bethany saying grace before the Christmas dinner before we begin since. This is an Bethany eightieth Christmas. I think she should lead us in the saying of grace rain. What great great she passed away is thirty years ago? They want you to say grace DAB brass saying I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stints take aim man payment. What a glorious prayer right now fun fact for you? All that movie was written by the John Hughes and it was supposed to be directed by Chris Columbus. He won't he wrote it with him in mind as a director. It ended up being directed by somebody else why because in. This is true Chris. Columbus found the star of the movie. Chevy Chase Ace to be a downright piece of shit now. That's not really an unusual interpretation for Chevy Chase. A lot of people feel that that way about him he was an asshole. He said that he made it impossible for Chris. Columbus who at that point was a very young new director and Chevy Chase was impossible possible to work with and so he had to leave the project and so John Hughes because he still liked Chris Columbus and wanted to give him an opportunity opportunity. He wrote yet another Christmas movie to be directed by Chris Columbus. Can you guess with that was because it it would end up being a Christmas classic. That actually probably rivals Christmas vacation. For one of the top spots. Yes I I'm of course talking about the Christmas classic home alone starring Macaulay Culkin Joe Patchy Daniel Stern Catherine O'Hara and others now. This is a rare thing because I love home loan. But it's a rare thing when a movie can have a sequel that it ends up being even more more popular to some people than the original and I do think that he home alone. Two lost in New York was perhaps even better than the original. But that's neither here nor there. This movie had some trouble getting made because as I said it was written by John Hughes and given to a first time director director or a young director named Chris Columbus and he was basically told by the studio that you can only make this movie if you can do it under a certain budget and that budget was twelve million dollars now even back in nineteen ninety or whenever that movie was made twelve million dollars is to make a movie is nothing I mean that is nothing and You know they went through a lot of problems. They struggled to make it for that little and and when they ask for more money the studio was like nope. Just go ahead and shut it all down. They almost had to do that. But anyway. This is a A very much beloved beloved Christmas film. I don't think I need to tell anyone that it's pretty obvious. However one thing that's always kind of bothered me about this film and this is you know me being probably hypercritical is just how hilariously on like okay? We all love the robbers MARV and Harry but the booby traps that they fall under the booby traps that they kind of are victim to are just so hilariously unrealistic. It's like stepping on ornaments. You would put your foot down feel it and not step on them and stuff like that and family guy. I thought made a funny comment on that. In one of their episodes we now return a two home alone with competent robbers. And Be careful. There's cars in the floor here. Thanks thanks that's weird Yeah the DOORKNOB was really hot. But I just let go instead of holding onto it and there are some ice on the stairs to the basement so I guess. Just don't go down there Jesse you guys know. I have a tarantula. Well now there are no witnesses. Yeah exactly just think is now I have Angela. Boom dead. No witnesses now. Let's carry on the robbery. Any who not to be a downer. I love this movie movie and I'm sure you do too so I don't WanNa you know crap on it for you couple of things about this movie that I think are fun to know that standout to me at least the first one has always been the mere fact that Joe Pesci is in this movie. I like that is stunning to me. Joe PESCI has a reputation for being very picky and very selective about the projects that he takes on and think about it in nineteen ninety. He was still a pretty hot actor. He had won an Oscar for Goodfellas. I think and that wasn't that long before this and he was so picky about what he does that doing this you know Christmas family film seems very much out of his rolodex rolodex. I think he would have no interest in doing but he did. He took it on For reasons that I can't explain but perhaps some of the cast and crew can Joe Patchy and Dan they were just a great bunch of people that work with early. Lucky Joe Patchy read it and so he could do something with it and he came on board board and when he came on board everyone else. Kinda followed Joe Patchy with someone. I was a gigantic fan from raging bull and Goodfellas and I thought God it would be great if Joe pesci would agree to do something like this. He warned to the script we got along. We first met and he decided to do the film which was shocking to me. I didn't expect him to do it. He saw odd that a lot of what we were asking him to do as a stretch for him which it was he handled it so well because a lot of it was what kind of in a different playing field than what he was used to. I think is hardest. Thing was not to cuss on camera working with PECI. He's such a little whiny annoying guy who I absolutely love. He pushes you and pushes you. And he makes he wants it to be perfect and we love being silly together moth. Harry what how'd you take your shoes off. Why the hell you dress like a chicken? I'd I do know I have to say that's Daniel Stern saying which is so weird. Like I mean. Talk about a backhanded compliment. He says Joe Patchy No. He's such a small annoying little tour son of a bitch who I love. It's like what I mean. Daniel Stern saying saying that about an academy award winner Joe Patchy it's just funny okay. It's just funny now. Whatever happened to Daniel Stern? What has Daniel Stern been doing since home alone? Who the hell knows who the hell knows but Anyway speaking of Daniel Stern he provided some insight a the couple fun facts about how some of those stunts that we saw in home alone were pulled off how they were filmed how they went down own and I think it made for some interesting listening. Here take a listen and decide for yourself. He starts the first gag. He's talking about. Is the the one where the iron falls down a laundry chute and smashes him right in the face the iron away we shot. That actually was interesting because the way they did that obviously they shoot up and they have a iron dropping towards the camera but when they WANNA film down looking at me they built a rig where they put the camera on a rope and dropped. The camera at me and the rope was supposed to stop right there. So and I'm supposed to be looking at this three hundred pound camera dropping at my face K.. I hope we know what we're doing. Stepping on the nail was a rubber nail. That I could that I could crush you know like that. Walking across the bulbs those were all made of sugar. There's a tarantula the crawling up my face and they're supposed to be a mechanical tarantula and so we got to the day of shooting and I said you know. Where's that Mechanical Tarantula? Because I saw the box with the big hairy one and they said Yeah. That didn't work out. Didn't look real. So it's the real tarantula. Did you take the poison. Stinger out out of the real tarantula they said well you know if we took the Stinger out. The Tarantula would die eventually and I said but if you don't take the Stinger out I will die if it because it's going to be crawling on my face and I'm supposed to scream and I don't WanNa scare well tarantulas. Can't really hear that well so you can scream. That's what I let out Outta scream that I think I copied from cycle. I hope you can. It's behind the scenes. Interesting me to Chris Columbus and I'm trying to thanks thanks for the tip That's funny that's very funny. I would not feel comfortable screaming with a tarantula my face I didn't I know I thought translates actually pretty docile. Yeah I didn't think that they would typically bite people. Anyway I'm shows China but So much like Joe Patchy another interesting element element that has always surprised me about. This film was the fact that they were able to get. I mean what are the best things about home alone. I believe thoroughly is the musical score for the music from this film is exquisite and it was composed by the one and only John Williams. Who's Britain you know? Some of the most unbelievable unbelievable you know the best. He's probably the best film score composer alive one of the best film swamp composers of all time and I was always stunned at the fact that they were able able to get John Williams to score this movie. This low budget family movie. I like this was in the nineties. He had done. Et he had done jaws close encounters of the third kind superman he had. You know I think. Drastic Park was on the horizon in yet. He took some time out of his scheduled to do home alone and thank God he did right. There was another composer who was originally scheduled to do the picture and his schedule. All of a sudden didn't work out which is like one of those Accidents were getting Joe or certain other things you know the puzzle piece flips away and a better puzzle piece falls into place in John. Williams came on board Sometimes people make associations with composers for example in my case and the budgets of family man and asked me to do a film with the budget big or they may want someone else to do because it is small actually from my point of view. I've never really cared about that. It's all it's it's more visceral thing the kind of reaction one it has to the material that is irrelevant to the cost of it really in the size of the scale of production so I was delighted to be adjusted to fill John Williams. uh-huh and I have done five or six pictures together and He has truly Just taken my films and just giving them new life life. And he's honestly I think the greatest living composer the holiday atmosphere with orchestral point of view always fun to to paint and the other aspect aspect was the comedic aspect of it and a lot of this comedic sequences scored if the music is a few frames off one way or another. That won't do it. needs to be really the sound of the action in the way that you would an animated cartoon almost also a difficult piece to do. Not even though I think I had more chuckles and more fun doing than than a great many other films that I've done really I mean so you heard heard him say that originally so also supposed to do the score. Originally that person was Bruce Broughton he was supposed to score the films and in Fact Act early posters listed him as the composer however Brown was busy with the rescuers down under and he had to cancel at the last minute. Now from there Chris Columbus the director was able to get in touch with Steven Spielberg. Who helped him contact John? Williams to produce the final score. You know Christmas songs songs. Obviously Oh holy night care the bells those are featured prominently in the film but he also rode a new Christmas song which I think has become a standard and I can't find very many good recordings of it but it's called somewhere in my memory. I love this song. So so much. in classic. My right now It's the main title music for this film which actually played to introduce this segment very familiar to everyone everyone. I'm sure well that was used by friends of the show. The Gregory Brothers to they use that music to come up with a song of their their own to pay tribute to home alone. Here it is home alone. The song performed and arranged by the Gregory Brothers. ooh Go to and it should be begun. sled push a I talk to John. John Zarrella it the off the Research take a uh-huh Small Masher chest Sir Sir it into these long in the Gregory Brothers with their rendition of home alone. The song friends friends of the show and talented folks. They certainly are following. This film came a very successful sequel called home alone. Two Lost Aust- right here in New York. Emergency yes sir. But she's over there. 'cause that's New York sir. Thanks something wrong Sir Famous Florida. I'm Work York okay. The bright to camera any who and then of course they go on and have their adventures in New York City. Our own lovely New York City. Now that's just one of many films. Obviously but Christmas film sat here in New York miracle on thirty Fourth Street. Both the original and the remake are said here in New York Home loan to obviously and Also set here. New York would have to be probably my favorite Christmas movie movie of all time which is actually a play on a Christmas classic called a Christmas Carol but this one's just a little different C.. IBC presents live via satellite. From New York Bethlehem Elson Key West Berlin and the Great Barrier Reef Charles Dickens Immortal Christmas classic. Screw Christmas Eve on ABC you. Oh my gosh. Does that suck you know who loves Mary. Lou retton Frank. My kids children love and Acrobat and we have spent forty million dollars on a live. TV show you guys have got an ad with America's favorable far and reading a book in front of a fireplace. Now I have to kill all of you mm-hmm yeah so in case you're unfamiliar. That was a scene from scrooge a nineteen eighty eight the Christmas comedy. Classic starring the incomparable Bill Murray who plays a very very nasty TV executive who has no time or concern for the spirit of Christmas and his only about his bottom line and so it has these stories go. He is visited by the ghost of his former boss. The executive the former executive of his network named Lou who was much like him probably even a little bit Nastier and he comes back to warn him and to let them know that he will be visited by three ghosts Walmart. God little harrowed by the way he looks exactly exactly like you would expect a corpse to look after a year in the grave girl. Boss your best friend or your UH seven years. It's been that long. I guess more than three tops. ooh Who Frank Right. You are in trouble the trouble aright. Let's just say for argument's sake that you're right that I am in big trouble. So what exactly would that mean could me could your future now. If you don't change your ways you're gonNA wind up doomed justice I eh breath one minute. I'm on the fourteen Colbert. Whitford lining up Putt a heart attack. Later I'm a worm feast. No no no no no. You're not a worm fees. You're at home brought on by alcohol. Russian vodka poisoned him by turnover pressure. Lately I've been put big tire irons. I headed all. ooh I was a captain of industry. Feared by men by women adored. Let's be honest Lou. You'll paid for the women I'm warning you'll find. Don't waste your life as it did mine waste. How can you say that? You're a legend in this business. You're the man who invented the miniseries and kind of been my business charity mercy. Kindness that sharpen my prisoners. Don't wait get yourself involved now. It's too late for me but it's offer you can be saved. Indeed he could be saved and perhaps he was. You'll have to watch the movie to find out it stars. Carol Kane sees the ghost of Christmas is present. This is a great great film. Hilarious filmed on a thirty two million dollar budget over three months. In Hollywood now Bill Murray returned to acting for the film after taking being a four year hiatus following the success of ghostbusters which she found overwhelming and He you know they spend a Lotta time reworking. The script and all that stuff south Murray did and You know to get it to his liking the production whoever was tumultuous Murray and other people from the production they just had different envisions for the film and I in the interview I saw Bill Murray described his time on the film as misery. Well whatever doesn't matter fun fact. Murray's three brothers Brian John and Joel Murray. They're all in the movie as well. They make Cameo appearances indeed indeed indeed scrooge. It's a great movie. You got to go and see it. There's so many other movies. We could include the Santa Claus the first one the only one I've seen in the only only one I care about Ernest saves. Christmas is one of my favorites white Christmas. Of course love. Actually I know a lot of people love and in so many more but we just don't have the time so we're going to skip ahead you're listening to the next best thing on Radio Free Brooklyn we're going to take one more quick break and when we come back I will share with view one of my favorite Christmas tales again. You're listening to best and that saw. Aw and okay. We'll all right. Did you know the radio. Free Brooklyn has a free iphone and ANDROID APP. Now yes right. You no longer need to be. Jane gained your computer to listen. Just download the Radio Free Brooklyn APP from the APP store or Google play so you can listen to independent community radio wherever you go. Oh you can find the IPHONE APP by going to Radio Free Brooklyn Dot org slash iphone and the ANDROID APP is available at Radio Free Brooklyn dot org slash android so download. The APP Today and listened listened to rb wherever you are indeed folks. I'd like to invite you to sit down and enjoy. What my favorite Christmas Tales? Yes discuss it down here by the fire. Relax as I tell you the gift of the magic by so by. Oh Henry one dollar and eighty seven cents that it was all she had put it aside one cent and then another and then another in her careful buying of meat and other food Della counted it three times. One dollar and eighty seven cents and the next day would be Christmas so there was nothing to do but fall on the bed and cry so della did it. While the Lady of the home is slowly growing quieter. Rieter we can look at the home furnished rooms at a cost of eight dollars a week. There is little more to say about it in the hall. All below was a letterbox too. Small to hold a letter. There wasn't electric bell but it could not make a sound also. There was a name beside the adore. Mr James Billingham young when the name was placed there Mr James Gillingham young was being paid thirty thirty dollars a week. Now when he was being paid only twenty a week the name seemed too long and important. It should perhaps have been Mr James De Leon but when Mr James Billingham young entered the furnished rooms his name became very short. Indeed Mrs Mrs James Billingham young put her arms warmly about him and called him Jim. You've already met her. She is Della Dela finished her crying in cleaned the marks of it from her face she stood by the window and looked out with no interest. Tomorrow would be Christmas Day. And she had only one dollar and eighty seven cents with which to buy Jim a gift. She had put it aside as much as she could. For for months. With this result twenty dollars a week is not much everything at cost more than she had expected. It always happens happened like that. Only one dollar and eighty seven cents to buy a gift for Jim her Jim she had had many happy. Happy Hours planning something Nice for something nearly good enough. Something almost worth the honor of belonging to Jim there. There was a looking glass between the windows of the room. Perhaps you've seen the kind of looking glass that is placed in eight dollars furnished rooms so it was very narrow. A person could only see a little of himself at a time however if he was very thin and moved very quickly he might be able to get a good view of himself. Della being quite thin had mastered this art suddenly. She turned from the window and stood before the glass. Her eyes were shining brightly but her face had lost. Its color quickly. She pulled down her hair and let it fall fall to its complete length. The James Dealing Ham. Young's worth very proud of two things which they own one was. Jim's gold watch. It had belonged to his father and long ago. It had belonged to his father's father. The other thing was dallas hair. If a queen had lived in the rooms near there's della would have washed and dried her hair where the queen could see it de la knew. Her hair was more more beautiful than any queens jewels or gifts if a king had lived in the same house with all his riches Jim would've looked did his watch every time they met for. Jim knew that no king had anything so valuable. So now Dell is beautiful O'hare fell about her shining like a falling stream of Brown water. It reached below her knee. It almost made itself into address for her and then she put it up on her head again nervously in quickly once she stopped for a moment and stood still while tear or two ran down her face she put on her old brown coat. She put on her old brown hat with the bright lights. Still in in her eyes she moved quickly out the door and down to the street where she stopped. The sign said Mrs Safra Ni hair articles of all kinds up to the second floor della ran and stopped to get her breath. Mrs Frassoni large to white cold. I looked at her. Will you buy my hair asked. Della rely by hair said Mrs Sarony take take your hat off and let me take a look at it. Down fell the Brown water folks Twenty dollars said Mississippi Mississippi burning lifting the hair to feel it's weight. Okay give it give it to me. Quick Please said Della Oh and the next two hours seemed to fly. She was going from one shop to another to find a gift for Jim. She founded at last it surely he had been made for Jim and no one else. There was no other like it in any of the shops and she had looked in every shop in the city. It was a gold watch chain very simply made its value was in its rich in pure material because it was so simple and plain. You knew ooh that it was very valuable. All good things like this are. It was good enough for the watch as soon as she saw. She knew that Jim. It must have it. It was like him quietness in value. Jim and the chain both had quietness and value. She paid twenty one dollars for it and she hurried home with the chain and eighty seven cents with that chain on his watch Jim. Jim Could look at his watch and learn the time anywhere he might be though the watts was though the watch was so fine it had never had a fine chain. He sometimes took it out and looked at it only when no one could see him do it. When della arrived home her mind quiet at a little she began to you think more reasonably? She started to try to cover the sad marks of what she had done. Love and large hearted giving when added together can leave deep marks. It's never easy to cover these marks. Dear friends never easy within forty minutes or head looked a little. Oh better with her now short hair she looked sort of like a schoolboy. She stood she stood at the looking glass for a long time. Well Jim doesn't kill me. She said to herself before he looks at me a second time. They'll say I look like a girl who sings and dances for money. But but what could I do. What can I do with a dollar? Eighty seven cents. At seven. o'clock gyms. Dinner was ready for him. Jim was never late. Della held the watch Jane in her hand and sat near the door where he always entered then she heard his step in the hall and her faced lost color for a moment she often said little prayers quietly about simple everyday the day thing and now she said these God make him think. I'm still pretty. The door opened and Jim stepped in. He looked very thin and and he wasn't smiling poor fellow he was only twenty two and with a family to take care of. He needed a new coat and he had nothing to cover his cold hands. Jim stopped inside the door. He was quite as a hunting dog when it is near bird her. His eyes looked strangely. Adela and there was an expression in them that she could not understand it filter with fear. It was not anger or surprise or anything she had been ready for a simply looked at her with that strange expression on his space Delo went to to him. Jim Dear she cried. Don't look at me like that. I had my haircut often. I and I sold it. I couldn't live through Christmas without giving. Can you a gift. Don't worry my hair will grow again you. You won't care will you. My hair grows very fast. It's Christmas Christmas Jim. Let's be happy you don't know what a nice what a beautiful Nice gift I got for you. You've cut off your hair asked Jim slowly. He seemed to Labor to understand what had happened. He seemed not not to feel sure he knew you cut it off and sold. It said Della. Don't you like me now. I'm still meet Jim. I'm the same without my hair. Jim looked around the room. mm-hmm you say your hair's gone. He said well you don't have to look for it said Della it sold. I tell you sold in gone too. It's it's the night before Christmas boy. I mean good to me I sold it for you. Maybe the hairs of my head could be counted. She said but no one could ever account my love for you. Shall we eat dinner Jim. Jim Put his arms around Della for ten seconds that US look in another direction direction. Eight dollars a week or a million dollars a year. How different are they? Someone may give you an answer but it'll be wrong. The Maj kyw wrought valuable gifts but that was not among them. My meaning will be explained soon from inside the coach. Jim took something tied and paper. He threw it upon the table. I want you to understand me del. He said nothing like a haircut. Could make me love you any less. If you'll just open that you may know what I felt when I came in white fingers bold off the paper and then a cry of joy and then a change tears for their laid. The combs the combs that Della had seen in a shop window and loved for so long beautiful combs with Jules perfect worked for her beautiful hair. She had known. They cost too much for her to buy them. She had looked at them without the least hope of owning them and now they were hers hers but her hair was gone but she held them to her heart and at last able to look up and say my hair hair grows so fast jim and then she jumped up and cried. Oh Oh Jim had not yet seen his beautiful gift. She held it out to him in her open hand. The gold seemed to shine softly as if her own warm and loving spirit isn't the perfect. Jim I hunted all over the city to find it. Do have to look at your watch a hundred times a day. Now he here give me your watch. I want to see how they looked together. In Gem sat down and smiled Deli. He said let's put our Christmas gifts away in. Keep them awhile there too nice to us now. This and I sold the watched. Get the money to buy the combs and now. I think we should have our dinner. The Maj as you know were wise. Men wonderfully wonderfully wise men who brought gifts to the newborn child priced. They were the first to give Christmas gifts being wise. Their gifts were doubtless wise. Ones and here. I have told you the story of two children who are not wide as and each sold the most valuable thing he owned in order to buy gift or the other but let me speak a last word to the wise is of these days of all who give gifts these two were the most wise of all who give and receive gifts such as they are the most wise everywhere they are the wise ones or these for they are the match uh-huh uh-huh so as I say at the end of every show folks apathy is the enemy not just apathy about what's going on in the news but apathy about people care about people let them know you love of them let them know you're thinking of them let them know that you care to pay attention to what's going on around you to what's going on in the news read a paper watch the news no what's going on care take some action and maybe even make a change or Radio Free Brooklyn this has been the next best thing. I'm Jonathan be learner until next week. Good night vote. 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just writing your by right wides coming back John Kites coming back as we reach our way up to five hundred the departure of Brad we'll get a special pods coming up so make sure your socks yeah so I went up to them I I called him and I was like hey man do do you have some time like we need to talk and he was like yeah yeah yeah what's going on man there's just some stuff for you alone can he's like man hear that yeah I do totally out of buddy who I do you know nudge to get good on the sober path and I was like I had this moment where I was like dude he's an adult I'm an adult should I really have to lake when you see actors and actresses and until I really started being on sets and Mike Oh they're just feeding you all day all day how the fuck do they expect you to be like yeah so the snacks they had in the back Brennan Jesus course they'd like I didn't realize going to trend really wasn't until my boy he was really fat right really fat but he was an athlete USA play Minor League Baseball like just an athlete you know take responsibility but then I'm like dude sometimes you need to hear it that it's supposed to have somebody respect so that was my guy and so it was like one of those things where it's like I needed to lose weight like if I would have did the basketball season to fifty three the next step because yeah because you're traveling you're eating your green rooms you're just like sitting around like you're working crazy hours God reading rainbow guys my favorite shirts and now it's not take a look reading rain going outside yeah you're eating and Uber eats our souls I I it's a thing where like you don't realize how hard it is for uh-huh along with a little Pied Piper dislike whistling through flute somewhere Lavar Burton is just we just roll brad down the street paint space is he a blueberry is the fatty smurfs we're not sure or both what's heavy for Richard Jefferson yeah to fifty two to fifty two but it's like fat like I'm not lifting and also granted you're hell I'm six seven yeah so to ally Wade rename and what's going on I was like your fat piece of Shit he's a shea and I was like you know what so am I so am I right now so here's the bet right a plane like six hours so it's like they just sit there here's a meal like more drinks some snacks and you're like your six hours watching movies and television shows burning so many calories but like as a retired player Riley we restrict but you're two hours of practice in like not even just running but the physical contact that you're good earning calories and and so for me I work in New York primarily right doing ESPN and Brooke Russia. Thank you thank you very much but I think about like arrayed was like like granola bars they'd like everything back there so this is these celeb- game and like Ah what who would you see like obviously shack comes to mind is like one of the guys who could just eat anything because he was burning so much stuff and still but like it's like you don't get all the DVD's hey I mean yeah I if there was a halloween costume it said pedophile appetite was a certain guys that burn that many calories but couldn't go to town because their bodies just weren't adding up now there's a Lotta guys right there's a lot of guys tablets yeah your metabolism on walking by me neither ray where we got the same body but like it was so much even for that so I can't imagine those games so postgame stuff because the older you see that when guys are super young they spend their whole first part of their career trying to bulk up you look at Jaanus is done with Braun dead at the the second right but then all of a sudden you see them get later in their career and then they try and lose weight right because it's that pounding and you're new to slim up Dwight Howard every deal with reading rainbow shirt kid duct tape in the corner there you caleb and it's quiet amy more money to come back and I thought we'd had I thought we were going to be the best team we win a championship again fucking Kevin Durant went to went to Goldens now happens do you guys around the league talk the same way we saw on like the talking head shows everyone's like do you join the guys that you're trying to be or my travels I try not to eat on planes that's fucking next to impossible six hours food prep and bring on L. 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New York flight especially like a red red is yeah you're just like yes give me more food in that manning passing out like dumbbells to people like hey do some curls somebody was like well you know one thing that I've done you unretired right that was the guy retired the sample we retire retirement I want a championship that lasted a good forty eight hours sure because they told me they were is nice skinny as he's ever been trying to get some of that lift back you're trying to lighten the load on your joints so it's like you just have this evolution of guys and you see it now because we watch it that happened I knew we had a chance but it was like those guys were so good and Kevin is Kevin is so good news and I do you get a tried like battling each other for legacy whether it's Lebron our staff or Kobe doesn't Mj like those are the conversations though that the next level guys are like well fuck it that's unfair so you say you prep food bring sandwich that's adorable I don't I don't prep it bring it to eat it at the kitchen and how I'm fat Cheney the right people the NBA a very good. I think I'm a pretty good twenty four hour fitness plan you probably are thank right but I will say this conversation for the great players to have that see this I was not I'm I was never a great player and I think that's more or less good claire very good player Suzanne Down don't if you don't win a championship in it doesn't mean that you can get to the finals and you lose a battle or season was shitty but if you guys lose in a second round if you guys all made the conference finals in can you hear the people that are and I just saw you think it was on the jump go to what's it got in the clippers big hair mantras and you're like dude this why I love you on Aziz time I'm not doing avocado now because you because according to your wikipedia page and I and I would like you're not team is primarily healthy that's a failure of a season not to say that you guys are failures but you have to recognize your own ceiling I like pick them up and be like come on a goal here yes very rarely and even in again you look at them stay like Kevin Durant was having an all time why am PG you were like all right if we don't make it to the finals you said it's a wash of a season and he was like I mean it because it's a wash season as he still a young player and he's very very good I'm no problem with him saying that externally but inside that locker room I know the true like you got a guy like Paul George one of the most appointed but now when you have teams like that is there like a like e- e- Is there everyone on board or are there guys where you got to really I'd say like every day we're going to practice every day I'm going to eat right every day we're going to focus because that's our final goal and if you don't have that focus then sometimes you fall short and that's how you become mm historic Ron and the season this year injuries is something that can derail your team like I I love Toronto I will tip my hat to them they would not have done the chance if Klay Thompson would have been held the shows and why you're so good a good conversationalist but you just like shoot people straight and you also can relate to players and non players but you were like dude come on be straight with me when you got brad led the threes is it's like I mean we all make the playoffs probably and you're like dude it's like yeah it's it'll be a bummer like it'll be won't matter and look I have no problem with him is that that's just the evolution so do we all have hired Tom Brady's trainer and then they can play Robert Kado ice cream I'd rather do I'll just accept anything that it's his fault but dame Lillard is better equipped to handle that Brandon Roy and Brandon Roy was special yeah so like select when you when handle what being a professional means if Brandon Roy had thirty game seasons he would've played fifteen years but you gotta play eighty two games him so many minutes right but think about how dame lillard he's eaten up every one of those minutes every night taking his postseason and there's not a disrespect to brandon it's not when Ray Allen went to the Miami Heat yeah I know what the Celtics do out here battling for second that's it you really think that much for thirty years you guys are super skinny because they'll get drafted in one thousand nine hundred and they spend that first part of their career trying to build wait Jaanus as buck and a huge Jack Jack I told the best players in the league and the echo why the two time champion two time finals MVP only GonNa get better only GonNa get better and this is the thing it's like dude inside that locker the huge part of it and that's the thing like Yo you don't ever WanNa boogie cousins you know and we're GonNa talk about on the court dealing with on the court that's top Isaiah Thomas like lots of Awesome Klay in staff and even Kevin There's few players that you can do everything right and they still make a shot yeah that's that's fresh because what just just guys it's like you might have guys I've had injury things right and even Chris Paul Chris Paul how many years have we seen him get hurt at the end of the season just food the magic craft services was telling you we played the NBA Celeb- Allston. Yes yeah and by the way great shirt I'm not are there teams out there that know the guys are like okay you cannot play eight you cannot play eighty two so we're gonNA like we're going to prevail you're minutes like like I know pop and then next thing you know shrimp right trying to actively get into we'll go with Jerry curl curl yeah this is a man in one thing that people understand especially in the postseason when you see reoccurring injuries you never go as hard as you possibly can until that push on but it's still when you get into that deep fire like in the postseason that's when you see it it's also kind of an interesting thing to do that because you're I guess training your body to almost go at eighty percent it might not kill you in December it might Kilian January but when you're going against somebody that is in peak physical condition and you're having to play forty minutes chasing them around able to play still at almost three hundred for a couple years which was crazy when he was on Portland and still hitting jumpers and still getting the lane I was like dude you see how you're doing it element in the postseason right you'll go every player might go eighty percent Mike Eighty five depending on the game postseason it is one hundred percent his ankle thank God that he was playing with four thirty one before right yeah and then and then he tours and he thought he was fine he just thought it'd hurt he tried to come back and when you ramp it up expecting your body just to catch up right and like not have muscles flare up fat shaming because it's like if you're carrying an extra eight pounds at this is drop maybe thirty to forty to still be doing it that shows you how crazy of an athlete he was he was amazing I think that's the one thing that's probably keeping him out of the I'm seeing coming Coming out dog Sean Kelly so my favorite dunkers my favorite dunkers until Ben came along before because we were I was still in college it's like Vance and then we became we know now you can train and prep there's one thing about being a professional athlete is whether it's in baseball where it's the one hundred sixty games basketball is the ability to as it was Dominique Wilkins and Shawn Kemp like that long win meal I did win meals basically because I loved Schon camping I loved Dominique my favorite that was ah thirty-seven got maybe two more years to wear this as a forty year old dude in their shirts talking about it doesn't add up it looks like you're like you're like look like that's like the yeah I have some sexy shit no one else can do. MJ Dominique in Rainman we're trying to obliterate every post hard good darn right and what's the best way that we can pod good put Koi CBD Enya Body so great I'm so glad that these guys jumped on as the sponsors CBD oil is physical specimen that we're trying to break the rim anyone in its way yeah right and so like I don't think Mj was like that Mj was like I want to go take down the big order ski like Kit for like trying to get young adult started doing how long was about Reading Rainbow I mean look at the history of Sports Brandon Roy boys later so many cases of of that Yeah Yeah Guy when you can't avoid it can those are dunkers that it just seems like if they pulled some dunks in a game like it would demoralized just doing a dunk contest this they were doing does that a lot of like back to back nights where he doesn't WanNa stars playing in that second game because he wants to keep them fresh for the playoffs like is that like a real thing that's a real thing from the standpoint of like the way it's not even wraps like a natural ability to do things that no one else can do and they just all happen to be on the same team I mean he had a knee injury before he I can play in the two free throws now not all of a sudden you got lucky with injuries in your career right to kind of I was very I was very very part of the MJ disrespect J. J. J. J. M. J. was like dunking on people the fadeaway like dominique and Shawn Kemp a whole nother our whole number but I guarantee you no no no not slow down because right now he's at a p but when he his thirty thirty one he's GonNa want to shrink down again all of fame right had he commitment to more dope years ago a hall of Famer because he was the first school kid a rain would you the throughout that probably a seven game series people sleep on clay being like they don't do it I don't know not not no one not in the overseas you have no one that we're playing this actually you can't hit a shot yeah your legs are exhausted because they're so it's like that that ten twelve pounds at eight pounds a catches up to you so you're allowed to fat shame emotion percent of the time yeah and so then that's best hamstrings you see all these things popping up and it's just it's you try and conserve because you don't want roaster eventually kidnap is there is there something to that to where like because we had a blake griffin the podcast obviously he's a big dunker like is one of them can those dunks if you're on the other end of that can can that just kind of shut you down for a few minutes well yes I'll say this more timeouts because it was like Oh that was I'm not saying that's why twitter became successful entertains I'm just saying this brought it to a consciousness that that had I have to be very careful so I will admit as much as I've been active I I didn't join instagram till about a year ago join twitter to like just this past April network you guys are definitely looking at it like looking at each other stuff and I look at it just to talk shit yeah right and so when I troll in like random ways and so I it hadn't reached yet and it started to blow up and then because the NBA made rules about social media saying you can tweet up to thirty minutes after a game and stuff like that in Europe fucking great example of that I was on the team where Charlie Villanueva was the first person to tweet in the middle of game so he had a bad first half bat first half and he tweeted now again no one really knew who twitter was like twitter was like it was there but it was still again this was an eight maybe nine right so he start making rules about it then it started to kind of snowball man and it's interesting because I was going through going through your social media when we were prepping for this interview and yet tweets like hey tough first game gotta pick it up in the second half because that was like okay you just tweet things right yeah whatever characters NBA and he goes out and has a great second half the crucial part of the game we're trying to stop from there he went in there and it wasn't like he got he obliterate yes fans because you get the instant replay him on and he was talking about that with the game even and the players tween things out and talking about the game on social media and hoops have really like founded an incredible relationship so I was on a crossover is viral it's always because it's like it'll go house a highlights Haussa who sure report all of these things that go down and then to do the work horse and I see like like commenting on your shit and like you see NBA players so like you guys are you guys are in that and then it goes everywhere ESPN is like Joe Charlie Villanueva tweeted a halftime and in the NBA came up with a new rules and everyone was like wits what's twitter and then twitter was I but for the player now you have more time to sit on the bench and kind of wipe the nuts what I started doing this new guy that the NBA has like welcomed and embraced right. I mean the fact that like we don't want people for footage what's that we don't they don't fight people do like running to K and you have people you and channing that like are able to bring the best out of people and that everybody like clearly and that's why I wanted to ask to like I don't feel like everyone says Clifton I was like hey let's do a podcast a podcast and she was like okay cool she got permission from Fox boards then I was like channing channing Ganglia so channing comes on we do like one the house was looking at this stuff at halftime being like Oh like yeah look at there's look at it this is what we're doing before the coaches come in that can hurt and help your image yeah then and then again it was very similar to the twitter right where it was like local people kinda new but once that flatter shit is blue yeah people are like what the road trip yes it public is more just a fuck with my boys how important is it to being not only in the NBA but now obviously with podcast road trip in there which ah so no so it's like you know I'm still learning how to do it but I do enjoy like because my teammates know my personality and so when they post something and I talk shit like it makes them laugh symbol and is easy going as like you GP and Blake and able to like be comfortable in their own skin and do this type of stuff right is it kind of what percentage of the guys I think check in check and then the new cycle will change the next day it'll be another dong another psalm which by the way is a an incredible advantage I wanted to start it and I can't channing Frye was supposed to be the I guess like you know we grew up that's my one of my closest friends interrupt together and he squad to also alley so I'm going to be retiring soon this'll be a cool way to get them easy wraps interview my guys yeah but I think when you get players sitting down talking to each other they're they're not somebody you're not finding out their favorite cereal you're not going on these random story never ever get so it was something that kind of I don't WanNa say stumbled I know cameras in anything it takes them the makes them so much more relaxed so get content that you wouldn't get and everything on Espn you can do a Sunday conversation with Yeah Oh yeah some of that stuff can go viral I mean it's not like you're not gonNA lose a contract because a dunk Dow because it's you know the crazy thing and now it's everything is viral now right like dunk now or random thoughts and so I try and keep them to myself voided social media but I was like Oh this is a good way to get some reps if I want to 'cause I'm going to be retiring soon we started in my fifteen season are- set down and it was fun wait was that the pod where he went fled Arthur that was couple later he went fly okay honestly it was probably like two or three podcast later Sonja man one of my favorite parts this shit thank you also feel like you channing Frye you guys have definitely pioneered I mean you tell me which ones came before and after but I feel five or six guys I remember one podcast we were just passing the Mike and it was Tristan. Jr Braun tyree everyone just back they're telling stories and it was like and but we quickly found out that like fans were like hungry because we're tired of the post game press conferences and like played hard but nothing like why hasn't this happened we were the thirty years ago we were the first yeah we were the first and it was again it's all timing and oh and especially because I came in it was like pre social media now guys if you get a dunk in the first quarter for the guys go into halftime your Yo look like Charlottesville thank you okay so channing I I wanted to do media stuff right all not always but I kind of lean towards I avoided social media because I the guy's really say this shit on the fans like this amazing insight into you guys hanging out and talking like people and not seeing you and post a pre interviews ron onto I mean for me it was like everyone but I was like are you fucking I saw it in the title in the Beatles like no way because he's also so careful and so calculate for it and we said like hey we want real content not click bait right and that's something that I a lot of players never get that opportunity to sit down so there's been many things that we like people were like we're like hey guys sorry for the audio we're on a plane and it was like you know even to this day I don't think that that's ever been done we had to cut it because our training staff because we were in there I would say this in order of that we had to edit sure it was probably Kyrie Kimmy dunk separate car and drove to the spurs practice facility because Tim gave us like an hour window and it was like if we go to the hotel and then come and like cubby area and open table and they're like listen idiots like there's only time for us to sleep like three or four times and we had to kill it but it was like you know we had he's fucking hilarious such a Dick am I I take it well in the sense of not Dick's but I take it well an inside look and then now you see so many podcasts J. J. J. was the first I'll say. Jj was the first years of the first I knew about Jj what he did view talked to him about anything other than basketball he's excited cards video games like like comic books here is lights talking about basketball rated with everything that he does you know because he's under that microscope yeah so to have him just sit down on the plane and be like sure there where are we talking about now we do and we've always edit that out so you guys can cause you can say the n word you could say anything that you want we'll we'll we'll edit it out we'll bleep it out so that the content there is authentic and real but you don't yeah so you're not going to tell a reporter Mark Stein what really happens on the banana boat yeah now yeah and it was cool because we did a lot of different things like we recorded on the plane last time I said what you man I I had to answer questions for two months that's right so can you just call it the JR Smith Rule. 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Wade in Enchaine talking about American vandal was it yeah yeah yeah yeah so it was like everybody has their own thing and a lot of time trimming because people don't understand even as a as a young kid and as a rookie this is what happens right and I know you guys have probably heard the story but for the people at home this edited out I really edited stuff out blonde we've edited stuff out we'd send it to them like hey this is what it is is that you want and so we and we know we'll just kind of talk and there's a lot of things that like I haven't seen I haven't seen the final season of breaking bad I know I I it's good I haven't seen the yeah well you know there's a good career and you're like fuck off dude he does all the time I mean I have to imagine but I mean and how do most players because movies are on planes how do you yes for me I try not to watch movies during the summer right I try not to watch movies during the summer because I know him sitting on a plane so I like I'll watch shows I'll watch happens you land let's say you're playing your the Lakers and you fly to Portland you you might have practice in the morning you get on a planet swell very like one on one ours was like this is the Cleveland Cavaliers you guys ready for a ride yeah Dan version of hard knocks it really was guys buses at five five more hours more hours and then you play a game and then the next day let's say you might have an off day the next day let's say you I'm going to lock in on my hands it depends if your landing someplace and you're trying to go out it depends on what city you're going to depend on what time you're getting if it's one of those three am flights were you land up there at three and they say we'll see tomorrow at ten am so you got the whole night the whole night just do whatever you can play video games you can go to dinner you can go see your family shows you know I'm going with CD because they got the most shit in the best tasting shit and quite honestly it's 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let's say you fly to Charlotte Shh let's say so many the amount of people that have been tried these pants these flavors in these you know it's funny you can put me to strawberry rupiah footsie after the game you'll get in it like one o'clock and black guys tomorrow off practice for the bus at ten A. and the next day and it's like you got a good flaming shorter fly like San Francisco let's from Portland San Francisco San Francisco right and it could be an off day so you'll fly a five hundred million more people play basketball today than they did right like in the ninety two because the game is bigger and classically in that Dream Team documentary was like I mean just going also to the walls still crushing Dream Team is different because they were just it was like this is the thing about USA basketball that that struggled because of the Dream Team right and this is one thing that people don't understand about the game of basketball let's say ah like you guys do you understand to anywhere you walk like mine even say anything to man I don't go on you and that's it more people that play the game and twenty years there's going to be a lot more people that playing the game so it was like the pool keeps getting bigger when you're talking about being the best player and that's I can go see friends you can do it every today and that's it so at ten am you have shoot around right I'm gonNA shoot around you go to practice and a lot of teams have kind of gotten rid of shoot around because load management in a it's bigger in Brazil it's it's grown and all these places global game and that's what that ninety two Dream Team did so now when you're talking about being the best player in the world now there's a lot watching TV I wasn't I'm not a game of thrones I'm not one of those people that every Sunday was waiting on it for me I was like that's cool ending yeah yeah but everybody else was at the Dream Team started how do you how do you guys stop from laughing when someone tweets a you like dude the professor from an one could totally take you guys in the lead doing different the guys are working out in the morning working out doing little things like you don't again we're still professionals but like professionals also push limits on both mg yea that's just part of it and I I avoid social media for a long time but a lot of guys you know there are a lot of players that are famously known for going back at people and and it's just an professionalism also means showing up being a good teammate like guys will last so much longer in the league if they do all the things that they need to do that's part fine I'll come off the bench right that's one or is like all right I'll come off the bench this is what I'm GonNa do for you guys here and I've bought in you said the exact same thing but you did final season of madman those are like my two right to graduates to places like all right season's over then I stopped the next season I'll end up starting something Arabia and they were all good there is no team to this day team ever assembled microbes probably going at forty five percent dominating care heads were like like he's Locker Room God yes now is that is that something that you built throughout your career was at a plan or is that something that's truly one where you landed three people on the bus just kind of like in their own world that just get us to the hotel room what ties breakfast in the morning but we have so much and that's why we started everyone's different everyone's got a different kind of temperament and it's like you know there's pit bulls and their whole dog's favorite clips we're like Brian Yeah so when my career got to a spot of like alright like either I could just call it a day or I can accept being a role player and just trying to mentor young guys different ways and I think that's when people talk about Carmelo deserving Lamelo has humbled himself willing to accept that role but now he's in a different space again he's a great great all time player hall of Famer but sometimes it's hard for guys except those roles me I was a very good player never a great player so when my for a long time cavs team but a lot of it has to do with hey look is not just accepting your role accepting your role with enthusiasm right like that is a big big thing like a lot of people like recalled after dunks than anything else because a dunk is a complete break in your defense right yeah it's not it's not a floater is like a guy just went through the the most people but you don't people don't understand how good you have to be so if you were to put a Brian scholar bringing you were to put anybody and just go hey we're going to go put an immensely they'd be one of the best players and people your performance so if you're raging all night your performance isn't going to be we'll be your paycheck so during that time guys trying to hit up the gym or those aged that it that it is important so so important you hear it all the time when these teams have guys a change for me and channing Frye James Jones it wasn't just me on that on Monday night football you know of Andy Dalton were to go into college right now on the heisman trophy yeah right like a dull news owning owning being a professional skill set 'cause like like you learn your career win like you were brought to the cavs and stuff like that like yes you would contribute but all the talking movies that that might have come out unless it's like one that I gotta go see like John Wake one of the one of the marvel movies if it's something that really twenty twenty seven galaxy any showing up to the playground and fuck and owning all the stream all players people don't know this is one thing that I've always said you don't on a sexual statement and then what they what they actually stole just a joke from Katie Nolan Katie Nolan is way go check it out how good you have to be just to suck in the NBA just a subtle just like people were like Andy Dalton no disrespect he had a rough night last the championship team those are things that I sacrifice dude sometimes I feel like the six and seven guys come into the game are more memorable and more integral to the entire squad and doing the things that are needed I might play one day I might play for two weeks straight and then not get dmp those are things that as much as an ego shot yeah if you want to have a chance to be like starting five is doing their thing but you're like you need like at some point guys are GonNa get tired and people need to come in and you were consistently just bringing in like energy energy and it was like the only reason why going back to that sixteen final the only reason why I got to start when Kevin Love went out and got hurt is because I played Dan they're seventy coach Carroll lives like three houses down from me shuttle yes yeah I've played volleyball with them play volleyball that were mad that they were only playing ten or fifteen minutes and I was like hey ten or fifteen minutes can turn into ten minutes it can turn into five minutes and it can turn into no minutes or ten fifteen minutes can like I know that sounds like the fucking title of a book but it's the truth it's how you handle it that will dictate your elevation that will dictate your altitude and so you know for me learning in there I don't know what is pop do because because you played for a few coaches he just he just there is no excuses it's a twenty to twenty five just depends on how you take it so you can be mad about the fifteen minutes but best believe if you go four for four and you don't make it any defensive mistakes that fifteen what have you just don't ever fucking say the name wide my coach in the Olympics Larry Brown is a hall of fame coat the things that I learned in San Antonio and I know it'll sound very cliche but it's it's not your situation that dictator success like it's how you handle your situation right minutes and then they were like well Kevin goes out and they're like well shit who we can plans richards played hard he played all right and all of a sudden you get another opportunity and one thing that I always used to tell the young perfect I'm going to handle it better and so that's part of the progression for me as I got older and became more of a veteran in a role player is like okay I might not play out of an Uber is his his wife played vibe Jayme Desi with her that's one of my good friends knows her and so we used to always kind of play right this is going to turn into twenty or you can be pissed off and go out there begrudgingly and then all of a sudden it turns into five into a DSP which one you want yeah yeah you know again maturity and learning how to handle some adversity Mike if you don't handle it well you could either keep going down that path or you'd like hey the next time I'm in a situation that might not be jury and the executioner so he controlled he's the one that dictates how much he's going to pay you do you play harder for a coach when you do respect him on multiple levels like that or do you just need to go length for certain coaches does when does that become a thing of like I'll be cool to get to work in that system from San Antonio People hate me but I love you I love you but one hop do that's like because I've always wondered when they say coaches like pop is the is the best right now or bill belichick grades like what is what what is he doing right there is no excuses and he is he's he's like a drill sergeant that you love right and I would not be the player that I I grew minutes and game one and game two we got blown out by twenty points to game one game two we get blown out coach Stroz in the end of the bench I went in there like combat at a house and I was I scored eight points but I wouldn't put him anywhere near the same as Abella check or anywhere I wouldn't put them anywhere coach Carol Carol Yeah I really like hi there how to this day we play on twenty th street right by their house there you go twenty eighth street everybody we got out GonNa work out I'm GonNa do all the things that are needed in low and behold I got an opportunity to play for a championship can't do what does he do anything different was Oh God yeah pop truly I mean field so what a career like the things you've got to do but like with a GM and then he's in then the coat so he's bringing in his players if he does he famously wave Stephen Jackson right before the postseason couple years position when you're successful earlier on your career and then you show up in San Antonio it's like hey we appreciate everything that you've done to get here we respect your talent four so he's a very like do your job no fucking excuse and then he's also behind all of that kind of military he's a brilliant mind and he's a he's the president now because like he has that power most coaches would go to a president and it's like ell if you're not getting along it's the postseason we don't want you know he is he is the judge me off of his stuff and be on a full academic scholarship this kid who was playing for this university who has to do all of these extra things can't get a job can't doing is national chains that can check your ego at the door which bigger egos I mean when you've won like that and you're going to a situation where you're the guy right yeah on you that's what he's saying he's serve you and you know what he comes from military background you know went to the it's best what's different there and it takes a little bit of time to adjust because not everybody can adjust like that no because you understand you know guys can be studs in Highschool studs in college make an even for kids that are doing that a lot of kids when you're going to USC during your summer you're doing internships during summers you're working already knows his basketball shit and that's it well you you you go in there with a lot less questions and that's why guys have struggled lamarcus Aldridge you look at them onto Rosen there's a train is the NC double A. steps up while this is one thing that they don't have an address that there's other states with similar bills so these other states are now starting to propose the bill in California everyone thought we have you here but this is what we're going to need from you this is how we want to play the balls now going to go through you're not doing okay so ball take us to the college actually takes all we're back to when are we going to talk about the college thing in California now allowing players get paid that's awesome by the way I mean when that happened yeah of the pack twelve you know he's the highest paid commissioner in college sports like almost six million dollars a year yeah and that's not even the SEC yeah legal right away and there's good and bad things to it but like what they're basically saying is like Oh this kid over here who is a snowboarder can have a youtube channel make cornea quote unquote was a bunch of dumb hippies when they legalize marijuana for for medicinal use at fifteen years ago and now half of America's doing the even later in my career without him teaching me in fucking whooping my ass and bill faulk and I I just got navy he's Oh yeah he says full service raiders thing to ever to because it may it like it's going to change guys because now California's GonNa have essentially its own league possibly for years yeah this is a short time like he could be the commissioner for the next ten years that's in let's say he's doing that if he's got that he made he made sixty million dollars being the commissioner of and serving it applebee's and then you become a manager cheesecake factory we love what you've done B.'s but we got a bigger bigger menu here right and Steph ooh can't do anything when news his likeness in a video game on selling his Jersey Se you would see get that and that's the thing and I think we've lost a little bit of that in this country not to get too crazy but understanding other people's views and respecting other people's coach their coach was a part of the scandal that thou hundreds of thousands right like illegally recruiting pr saying that kids were recruits odds you know I could never ask for money call my parents if any way I would like to like one hundred bucks homes in two hundred and fifty bucks so many Bush jerseys in the stadium and I'm like he's not of course give them a fucking gardenia what's tough is like understand it's like you know Larry Scott the commissioner he is how he is totally against that I know a lot of athletes came out with like tell him this this this law this law isn't for you and odd getting experience these kids might try and pursue something but all summer long they're training they're doing rehabbing knee injuries they're doing all this other stuff and it just there's a lot of different conversations going because people have like Student Loan Dad's stock when you saw Tim Tebow do his rant about like how he the Arizona days though yeah I mean so when you're playing basketball which again Phoenix Okay Yeah Love Phoenix some of the best comedy you know and he does work extremely hard and he's done a lot of great things and one of the things that you would hear is like if they're like hey commission would have we you know at the SEC Commissioner Hey what did we cut your money then you show up till but even if he didn't WanNa Championship you show up in San Antonio and he's one five and he's like okay that's cool this is what we're going to do and that's a mind that's a mind thought that's a dude what they're saying some of them right and it's like you got to find some middle ground and I understand what T. Bo sang but I also understand the other side coming from a kid whose parents were too the the he's making six million dollars a year and you know and they're talking about like these kids that might make X. amount and understand their only in college for two three in these little bitty things that if I were to do anything I could risk my eligibility right and then like like my roommate in when to a franchise and all of a sudden gale college like you did until and just crush all for eight years yes six time all star like hey you got a degree you know you're actually at a deficit no BS legally oh no you're not networking the same as a normal kid right and awesome cool when it's time for you vote vote no but like and that's fine I'm not gonna like Tim Tebow like what the fuck do you where's my fuck wait a second I work really hard yeah oh so they don't well they're getting a free education and it's like when they when they have to go to practice a day was it. USC He was on the school volleyball team. I couldn't buy him lunch no I could be anyone else lunch yeah by the way. USC got into a lot of volleyball trouble because they're loves three towns I grew up in Lindow Nice but not like not Arena Glendale Glendale Phoenix Glendale yeah like maybe ten minutes from they lost in the elite eight to Andre Miller and a great team and they were number one in the country and he was first team all American and gets drafted in the second round sprains his ankle in training could have done some stuff that could have shut them up further what do you say to the guy do you want guys that go stay in school if I know that I'm making fifty grand a year that I can help my family out maybe I'll in his generation and that's one of those things like this great example this is a guy that won a national championship could have been a first round pick decided to go back to school and still yeah so I don't I don't I don't mind that but I think it's always good to listen to other people's opinions because you'll just learn more we don't have to get into the Republican Democrats I'd like Yo listen to this is like from he was he was on the bench but like it was yeah it was like from three zero six God you're fucking we usually to look at Nick Saban who's making six million dollars should look at a Calipari that's making seven million dollars and you're saying well this is going to hurt you cam and just never got a chance this guy turned down millions of dollars right turn down millions of dollars and if he could have gone to school he could have made a couple hundred grand on his likeness that people but if you're not fighting for everyone equally even if it's two percent or point supercenters what are we doing yeah it's pretty insane where in should do is and this is going to be this is controversial I think they should cap every college coach in the country I think the most they should be able to make one million dollars and if you've been there for there's mazing yeah so I'm I'm I'm a west side Phoenix so that must have been extra sweet to play there yeah they won the National Championship in ninety seven and I was a junior been in ninety eight school long maybe get that education is like dude good luck making seventy five grand I'm getting play basketball I get the hang out with my buddies I can loops and things that you gotta go through why not cap the college coaches and say the most that you can make two million dollars why not why not cap the CA two million dollars this shit ton of money when Sunday yesterday the Gavin Newsom the other side I'm the bill four years out it's four years out right I think this is the they talk about like how a lot of kids are now going overseas because there they can make money over there it's like okay well you want the kids to state here and plan your final four and do and do everything I'm not panning out great and just not making the transition I still to this day I'm like how did Miles Simon not become here's a great college player gray gray caused by one of the great 'cause player amount years most you can make his two million dollars even if you've won even if you want what like morning eight minutes then you would have less coaches bouncing around right which is something that they don't like have a car and I don't have to worry about the NC double tracking me down I don't have to worry about any of this and that's not for everybody yeah we understand that there's a a point two percent then yeah maybe we'll make him let him make a little money on the Marbury did that make some ns at the end of the day it's like it's hard for for me goods I just was like there was no motivation and like my brothers didn't graduate high school there wasn't like you know if you don't grow up with showed up I was like six one and a half tone yeah and then wore size fourteen and the bucket ball yeah play a little bit I could play in then I was in around this and you don't grow up with expectations and it's like my parents were just glad that I was staying out of trouble trouble was around there's not ways to cut other people's pay when did you hit your Grossberg was a middle school shed when did you basketball become was it always fun it has to be a point when you're like NBA teams are real the amateur sports this is going to hurt the women then don't play those fucking coaches four million dollars at no don't pay him seven million dollars but the first thing that they're going to say I make so much money my thing that I think nice area now we didn't have a lot of Nice things because all the money went to like living in a nice area so it was like my parents were just like working two jobs working hard and they were just like they would drop me off and it's like coaches can leave with no penalty players can't you have to sit out a year you if you try and transfer in conference which could mean you're trying to go closer to home you have all the the head mall so when everyone's like everyone's Glendale the stadiums like now that name aitor window the giant Toaster yes basketball on the park every day with my buddies I go from six to six five and a half six six I show back up like skinny and athletic and my high school coach is like fuck you can do and I was like yeah yeah okay and then into slowly but surely he was John Bowie Moon Valley he was the one that Kinda just took me under his wing and then slowly he pleaded like Richard Richer in the number one team in the state they had a really good really good team Bibi was the number one team in the higher division we were the number one team in the next division it wasn't that bad like we moved we live in south central La my mom moved to Phoenix You know in the eighty-eight because to get out of south central and so it was like we were in a the park and they knew that at ten o'clock they would pick me up and I was there meanwhile my brothers were running rapid acting crazy so that my coach was the first person but I do know what the Richard I can't have you on the team with all these seniors if you're going to be ineligible and baa-baas like all right cool and so then I just went to class and got on honor roll and pissed everyone is this if you kept how much those guys can make like that money now all goes back to university that money now can all go back into the student athletics into the Bob Kids so don't make it seem like early shit kind of went crazy what is your work ethic for hoops always I once you got into it and saw how good you could be you like all right I need to do what's necessary to yeah I just I love the play into USC were those guys were fucking just of people man I'm just like that that that that was my room and His name is Josh Feldman I will say this and I became I had better work ethic later in my career right but I love to compete that was my channel that was my outlet like competitiveness eligible my whole freshman year I might have played four games failed freshman. Pe Rug yeah I just did dress out I would like for us I like that kid sir turn things around look Carol did yeah like look what he did the seahawks hadn't had any type of success like that yeah where else am I going to go I was like you've got all San Mike baby sign my dickerson Jason Terry through that I mean you were talking about guys yeah yeah because then when a coach recruits kid that kid wants to go play for that coach so when so when the coach leaves in two years pro or doesn't you know David Stern I was one of the first guys that didn't get invited to the Green Room so basically a little short story teams we're talking Shit about me so I was I like now it's like I'm getting so funny for me I was an idiot like I I was I just I was a hooper I just played with my buddies in the park every day and I showed up I remember my freshman year is go like ten to twenty somewhere and they you know they'd had some bad history in the Green Room guys sitting there too long Aaron Rodgers Rashard Lewis Yeah I get to come to Phoenix twice a year in all of a sudden they go New Jersey and I was like what the only thing I knew about them is that they had on shoot hoops at night and like no joke with my buddies that were like in sixth seventh grade what was drafted like draft was crazy man like a you know I just remember like you hoping that I would drop so I was working in Charlotte and they're like hey how'd you shoot the ball in Houston I was like oh I shot the ball really really well probably the best shot they're like oh well they told us you couldn't hit the broad side Tesla yeah let's go and I wanted to play every sport as a kid I would have been a kid I would have played football what played like literally out of all of that but we just didn't have the resources we didn't have my parents it is casino mobely I had a great workout they were the Houston Rockets my high school team was the Moon Valley rockets stoked yeah awesome in Western history a winner yeah and like look we saw Nick Saban he can't just up and go to

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Episode 59: Miocic, Perry, Costa, Ngannou, Angle, Holm, many more

Ariel Helwani's MMA Show

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Episode 59: Miocic, Perry, Costa, Ngannou, Angle, Holm, many more

"If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash p._t._i. Today's episode of area hawaii's m._m._a. Show contains explicit language. That may not be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to back in your life on this monday august nineteenth two thousand and nineteen. Hello again everyone. I'm marie a hawaiian hope. You're doing well on this monday afternoon. I am back from anaheim. California whoops and there goes my happy warrior fan dan which i will now move right over there. What a weekend. It was at the honda center in anaheim orange county once again eight time the you have c. Goes does anaheim and it seems like every time they go there. Something wild something memorable happens. You have c. Two forty one no different. We hyped it up. As the best part of the year. I think in particular the last three fights in totality proved to be everything we hoped and then some you'll romero holocaust what a great fight that was back and forth they went to behemoth. That's why i said it was the irresistible force meeting the move object and i saw a lot of the unstoppable force you dummies wrestlemainia three gorilla monsoon soon listen to the quote. The irresistible force meets the movable object hogan andre. That's what it was on saturday. Romero cost like throwing sledgehammers edge hammers at each other unbelievable fight so much athleticism will determination brutality involved in the end cost gets the nod. I thought romero juan initially that's the result u._c. One and i'm not suggesting by any stretch of the imagination that the numbers were were kind of toyed around with but i'm saying that it was a very close fight. It was not a robbery at all but this is what the division needed. They needed a fresh face. There's a beef there between wean cost and israel sonya out of sonya finding robert whitaker on october fifth so this sets things up pretty nicely then we move along to the combing the long-awaited waited much anticipated return of nathan shows up to the open workout. Smoking joint doesn't show up to media day. I mean just a jolt of superstardom superstardom into the sport back into the sport. We miss this man so much and he looks like that and he fights like that. Great performance against anthony pettus pettus breaks his foot good in the first round. We could hardly tell he might need surgery great fight. I thought the as won all three rounds. I thought he looked surprised. He was a little tired but he explained afterwards that he actually actually had to start the first round like it was the third because he's a slow starter. Sometimes and usually you know goes five rounds these days so he needed to start off quick. I thought that was a very interesting explanation. Shen and now you set up potentially nate the as versus home oswaldo holy smokes. He's a gangster but he's no west coast gangster. I mean really you put that at the top of a pay per view and you could sell that thing sands title. That's one of those few fights right. Now that can headline a pay per views sense title so so diaz is back and then of course in the main event. St mitch is able to turn things around in the fourth round. I had him down three rounds to none. I thought in the first round on things were not looking good for him d._c. Looked phenomenal use the wrestling than started to slowly but surely stray from the game plan and in the fourth round fourteen thirteen body shots from st bay to the right side of the body ended up being daniel corneas doing now we wonder what is next from so happy happy for steep a today's his thirty seventh birthday equally sad for daniel cormet who had been through so much throughout his life always second place look like he was on the cusp of going out on top a heartbreaking heartbreaking loss hard to see him in that state afterwards but still one of the all time greats at heavyweight and in the sport period a great turn of affairs and hey look now you can do the children you can. Maybe do a john jones ebay fight you can maybe do a who knows you can do dc against c._p._a. Three you may even make the case that now the d._c. We lost the belt. This is the opening to dc jones three. I don't know but <hes> very memorable stuff and some other great performances from the likes of siddiq yousef corey descend hagan with a big win. How about karma worthy on a week's notice against his friend devante smith lotte memorable things happen in anaheim this weekend so we'll talk about all that and a whole lot more on today's program. We've got a lotta show for all of you. Let's get to our lineup and get to our first guest of the day because i am excited. It is monday in bristol paul exotic bristol. Where else would you rather be four zero five. We're going to be joined by bausch shinya paolo costa about his big win over your merrill. Ask him if he's going in fact to melbourne in october and see what he thinks about that whole situation also see how he's feeling today three fifty. We're going to talk to stefan struve who is back. He's sort of retired. He took the gloves off but then he said you know what. I'm going to stick around. He's fighting december. Seven th against ben rothwell remember stefan struve outside of down cornea the only man to beat in the a._f._c. pretty amazing like seven years ago how 'bout game bread fighter himself or he must be dial is he fighting atheists samat has become a star superstar and that fight would be so huge. You saw the smile on his face that was like i was just thinking like catching a gene catching when he was smiling or touching checchi catching touching. You know what i'm talking about like the money thing anyway. The man's very happy you can you can tell by his face. Syndicate kurt angle will join us. The olympic gold medalist from nineteen ninety six. It's true it's true. What do you think of colby comington using his music. What did you think of henry suharto stealing his gimmick all that and more from kurt angle mike perry will join join us talk about the nose first interview since last weekend's fight in order guay talk about the knows how he's feeling all that and more holly home first interview since her loss to manly nunez she has now been booked worked against raquel pennington on october fifth. We'll talk to her. What does francis in god who think about what happened saturday is he next for cpa the rematch of u._f._c. two twenty. We'll find out eddie alvarez back. I was thinking of eddie on saturday because he's been tied to nate and anthony pettus. What did you think of that flight. I said i'm tweeting a little bit about it. He had a big win a couple of weeks ago one champion. We'll talk about that. Nick newell is going to be in studio making his debut on saturday in bridgeport connecticut and we'll be joined by the birthday boy steep deep amiach the new. You've heavyweight champion in a bit but first. Let's go to one of the big winners on saturday. We have made a habit at a talking to this man after after a big win. He's having a lot of them. These days now won seven in a row there. He is my man corey san hagan corey. How are you. I'm good that area. How are you man. I'm doing really well. Congratulations on the victory and i understand that you are delaying a trip to disney just to do our show true or false true. I appreciate that that means a lot. I know how much people love disney. Have you been to disney before. I've never been to disney. I think i went to disneyworld when i was a kid but <hes> it was just get all the autographs so now i'm going to check out the rides and stuff okay so this is like you know the people who win the super bowl and then say i'm going to disney do me favor though friday friday night i went there before the show and i went on the guardians of galaxy ride which is essentially the tower of terror. I think it used to be called. Do we do not going that right. That is what it is pure. Hell it is the worst experience of my life so do me a favor. Don't do it for your own sanity. That's the one that my girlfriend suppose excited sighted. Oh man listen everyone else happy. I was like mucus. Coming out of my nose is my mouth. I've never been so scared in my life. There are points where you're not even like. You're you're not even like you're. You're just levitating. You're not even sitting. It's it's. I was shaken up for a day so do me a favor. If you do do it give me a report afterwards i. I thought it was pure. Hell maybe i'm just a wuss but good luck guys if you if you end up doing that because i don't like that sort of thing anyway big win for you. We talked before the fight about how a sunset has a tendency to make some fights not that exciting and it's it's a hard spot to be in especially when you're on a roll like you are now that the fight is over where you happy with what you did out there really happy especially for someone. That's so good at controlling the minutes of every fight that he fights in i. I don't think that there is maybe maybe any minute that i even lost that. Fighter wasn't in control except for maybe a few little areas but <hes> i i mean i was completely dominant as far as controlling it and that's what i knew it was what was going to beat us on south so yeah. I'm super pumped with targeted at any point like you didn't seem to me but it didn't seem like he hurt you at any point that you were in trouble that you're rocked the you're in any kind of compromising situation right. Now i mean i don't my head hurts a little bit. I mean just in certain areas but i think maybe i got hit two or three times in the entire fight claim. How would you explain your confidence right now because it seems like you are fighting a at a very high confidence right like it just seems like you know that you're going in there. You're we're gonna dominate people giving. You're giving your skills given what you've been doing these days. I just feel that from you as opposed to maybe early on when you're trying to figure out how would you describe your confidence right now now. The delusion is becoming a reality show. Every fighter likes to live kind of in the delusion that they're the best guy in the world. I mean you hear that all the time and i mean you never really know if you're living in delusion or if you're living in reality and so you actually get tested in those times so i mean gene. I'm starting to live in the reality of my one's previous delusions. Did you happen to talk to dominic cruise before after the event. I know you guys had that interesting running a a couple of nights ago. Did you have to talk to him. This time no i didn't i was introduced to his mom in the hotel lobby after though and she was really nice nice okay so no trash talking tension or anything like that no no no okay and would it be fair to say that you kind of like when he calls your fights it does that motivate you having in their cage side <hes> i don't. I don't really think about it. Okay <hes> i. It's it's cool. I g- aspen <hes>. I'm not like a starboy for him. You know estar phanor so <hes> i mean it's cool but it's not something that is on my mind signed violent fighting or anything. Here's my joe rogan though joe rogan. I'm a huge fan of joe rogan. Now is cool to meet him yesterday l. k. that was your first time meeting him yeah man. That is my fist fight. That was the first one that he's called for me. Okay because you you were on the fight nights before that right. <hes> okay all right all right so you're big joe rogan mark there. There's nothing wrong with that but here's my here's my my concern right now those four in a row at bantamweight seven in a row overall looking very good in the n._f._c. but you kind of lay out the division alright. Frankie's moving down favors the legend out there. You know who's who's back in the mix. You've got so who's does still injured in nursing that yang and sterling you have the same winning streak as sterling by the way for some reason you're not talked about in the same sort of vein dominic cruises coming back. Where does this leave corey san hagan. I feel like i feel like we're staring at twenty ferguson situation here where you might have to win the eleven in a row before even sniffing a title shot. I hope that that's not the case i i'm. I'm still trying to figure out how all that works held the entire area of promoting fights and stuff works but i think right now. I'm kind of okay with it. I i wanted some type of interim bell. After this i i mean i don't really know where the division is like. You said like everything <hes> <hes> kind of all over the place and i looked at the top ten just the other day with frankie coming down in favour back like it seems like it's going to be very hard to convince people into need fighting for a bell after this even the next one so for me. It's not about weather. I'm earning or if i'm deserving it in my head. Everyone in this top ten is very very similar stylistically and if anyone's going to beat henry pseudo in the division it's gonna be me and that's all that i can really say whether i earned earned or deserved that fight i don't know but i know that i'm the only one who is most likely going to beat this guy in the division other than just being very confident in yourself. Why do you feel feel that way. What about your skills his his skills make you feel that way. One i would say it's the style that me and my coach <unk> have put together for myself where i can really maximize my advantages known houses this tall. No one else is this fast else. Has this game for work so <hes> need being able to maximize on that along with my physical abilities are just makes for a nightmare for someone to try to figure out fifteen minutes like i. I know it sounds weird but we've put together a style that has been tested through the test of time. It's not something that like south knew exactly what i was gonna do and he couldn't do anything about it. He knew that i was going to control the range. He knew that i was going to press her and he he hit me. You know what i mean. What does that set especially with such like like a guy who's a legend and he did a few things that were very smart. He didn't try to take me down by taking a shot all his take downs that he attempted on me and he got got me down by his epilogue top every single time anyways but all of those were off of catching leixoes sons out came in with a very good game player countering the low kicks every a single time like came in with a very very good game plan and still had nothing for me so i think that that really speaks to like what i'm doing in direction i'm going and my my style is it's just a superior speaking of that that hide you're you're five foot eleven right. How are those way cuts going feel. Eventually you have to tax this process because at some point it's going to get a little tougher as your career goes longer. Is it relatively easy now. It's relatively easy. I'm very disciplined man like i. I'm okay with giving up a lot of things in my life in order for this to be the number one priority for the next probably ten years that i'm doing this is hopefully so <hes>. It's not hard as long as i stay on top of it. If i'm on top of it it's not tough. I'm not gonna take a fight. That feels too short notice for me. Miss wait ever so so they're not as hard as a lot of people would seem but yeah i look at myself in the cage too and i'm like man i let huge 'cause i always grew up really small so i kinda had like a little man complex where i grew eight inches in one year in high school so i went into high. School may be at four foot seven so my entire life. I was the little guy and then for need to go out and see how much bigger i am than these guys looks weird on camera to make is in my is there a little bit closer in size did that it hurt like that kind of growth spurt that painful. I don't recall. I don't remember getting a lot of cramps in my legs gruber here by yeah. I guess i guess <hes> i guess i did cramp up a lot. Are we still are. We still with the other job as well or you focusing one hundred percent on these days his no. I'm still at my facility. Mount saint vincent's there really cool about me working around training schedules so <hes> on still working with the kids. It's not that much to be honest. It's really hard to form a relationship with with the group of kids that we have on such little hours on working every week but i try to look at it more of adam giving these people a break because it's a it's a pretty harshly exhausting job so if i can go in for a few hours a week can kinda like help out with them and give them little breaks here and there throughout today than that's worth it to me are they. Are they watching your fights. Now like now that you're doing so well your p._i._n. Is this a big deal. <hes> i would say it's a big deal. Yeah i mean <hes> they. They definitely yeah they. They got a crew together and everyone all of my co. Oh workers will go to some bar and watch it together and send me videos of them cheering and stuff afterwards so yeah. I'd say it's a big deal to them. That's amazing so okay so since we've established by the way how do you feel i'm hearing that they're trying to do sterling versus frankie edgar. How do you feel about sterling getting that match up. I i don't know edgar. I would guess probably wins that fight. <hes> you think so. I think so <hes> frankie's good man frankie. You did not look bad against max you know. The only question is from is like is frankie going to handle that cut down to thirty five okay <hes> so i i don't know i i don't know man. It's really tough because everyone in this division right now for me is going to be a banker of a fight. You know like i was looking at the top six seven guys like even if it's me and mariah mariah sir mian yawn or <hes> me and crews are in favour me and frankie or mehan al joe like doc. All of those are going to be anger so whoever i get next man it's gonna get a lot of attention and if it's now for about who cares anyways so in a perfect world for you who makes like who who do you see that is even out there. I throughout moore is who do you see as potential all of them. Honestly i see all of them mm-hmm. I think i think maybe the top three. I don't know when cruises coming back but maybe the top three would probably either be is yang or cruise. I think that those three fights those three fights. I think would would do offer me probably more so on the on the end of crews do a little bit more for me yon. I don't think i i think he's <unk> too so i would like to fight someone a little bit more established so that it grows named a little bit more but <hes> yeah i think that those top three would i sure be bankers and it would be the an honor to fight all those guys they're. They're very good. Well you continue to do your part. My man all you do is win at this point. I guess and i think you have put a lot of people on notice. I think it's a shame that you're not being discussed among those those guys like sterling in yawn but hopefully after a win over how you start to get that respect a little bit so congratulations congratulations on making it look too easy. Maybe maybe it's that yeah. Maybe it's yes you something like that against heartfelt very impressive so congrats enjoy the victory enjoy dizzy and let me know if you guys survived. There's a picture little picture after when you walkout yeah yeah yeah. Please just be ready for and don't eat beforehand because you're we're gonna throw up. If you do all right all good advice pass it on all right. Enjoy thank you corey congrats area advocates show there is corey san hagen one of my favorites right now doing such great things has won seven in a row congratulations to him all right. Let's not make our next guest wait any longer. I am so happy that he is joining us. He is the new raining defending u._f._c. heavyweight champion. He defeated daniel cormie in the fourth round on saturday in anaheim via t._k._o. He went to the body body repeatedly in fact he went fourteen time so the body in that fourth round alone. He is the pride of ohio. He is steep amiach the judge steve how are you. I'm tired of other me man. I know how on a scale of one to ten. How much do you not want to do this right now. The numbers for us. I love you. I am the champion trivia game. It's obligation for me to do it. Yes i appreciate ashamed. You remembering that you you didn't mention it at all week. I thought you would both the fact that you know with. People saying you're looking for a new title that you already are champion. I had to get a new belt by the way because you took hook by belt home but this man right here is the proud owner of this title. This man won the trivia challenge in june but c._p._a. By the way by the way let's not waste any time i want to say to you one very important thing bird to you ever happy birthday dear sti a happy birthday to you face a the last man thirty seven right he said oh my gosh wow that case way better than mine. I'd even have a candle and i hope you appreciate appreciate the gesture. It's akara kate. It's beautiful so any plans for the birthday planned. <hes> no no plans. I think my i found my komo models. Come over. She's working social pack more this week anki. She's busy but my parents <unk> wife's parents might come over over just just relaxing as just get the paw <unk> rest beat up as good fight yeah. How is your body feeling. Oh you did take some big shots in the first three rounds. Are you feeling physically or that's fine more. My hands just sorta short <unk> anything that might beat up always get beat up and it's a good site a bruise like a peach right so look great. I feel great. I hope pretty quickly quicker. <unk> beat up what is going through your mind going into the second round. That first round was pretty much. I mean all dc couldn't have gone any better under for him. What are you thinking are. Are you still confident or are you still composed or are you starting to worry at all. I'll stay for a good. I just got my ahead on but man. I was frightened <unk> terrible. The first round earlier was screaming. Alexia goes in quicksand ads can can get out of it. Yea i started opening up at thirty. Fourth <unk> opened up yet and saw the have you ever felt that way before. You just felt like you couldn't get going in a fight. <hes> not like that really he'd surprise you with anything that he did early on news like yours. You know came in later news coming aw but i just thought maybe it was. Maybe learning where i have no idea but it's a little bit he'd gone. I'm happy listen. I don't care how it starts. Let's start by finish right. What did your coaches that adjustment and i think he came from marcus manelli to start going to the body going into the fourth round and was that something you guys worked on. He was like hey there. You need to start exploiting this or was this an adjustment that he made midway through the fight. Now as actually we talked about the weekend he said man. This is open. We actually talked about camp in high. He fires her. They do you know do it as it okay. He's he's my coach. I listened to if it wasn't for him. I wouldn't be here all my coaches right. Could you tell early on with some of those punches that it was really starting to hurt him is wincing <unk> academics <unk> winning right and were you surprised that he he didn't try to wrestle you more especially after the success that he had in the i was just that one day town get right away. It was like big pygmy outscores right right. I was kind of mad. I was mad at other. What are you what are you thinking when you're up like it seemed like thirty seconds on his shoulder more like ten or so but what are you thinking of mine. I know <unk> suplex me john d._d._t. Me w._b._z. staff as weird yeah. I was waiting for your hobbies toppings. Here's ground ground control china weather. This storm yeah great dance moves by the way many towns. I didn't know that not that. I was dumb. That was the star search <unk> <unk> driving cover the moment now when you say it was done they shouldn't have done it. Do did you say because you feel like it was rubbing it energy because you feel like you're not a good dancer. No nine <unk> <unk> cut up at the moment right. Have have you practiced that before. Was that the first time you pull off nasdaq. So what are you a few beers <unk>. I'll do it well. You look great in that moment. It was very impressive. You're very very agile on your feet. I mean we know that you're a great boxer but not quite dancer so it was nice to see you wish by moving down the first rather better yeah. Could you take a step back now. Steve i mean we've talked many times over the past year about the frustration. I remember talking to you two weeks after the july you i've never seen you so mad before or because you were dismissed seconds after that loss in july of two thousand eighteen brock walks in there he disparages your name all that and everything that you guys had to go through you and your management your family family just waiting waiting for the opportunity. They offered you fights. You didn't take the fights. You want that title fight. You wanted the rematch. You stuck to your guns now. Thirteen months later had that belt in back of you to be champion again. Can you describe the emotions that you're feeling on this monday a glass case i was crazy now. Actually i'm just happy lesson blessed very lucky to have the opportunity to to get my title and just i'm happy that my amazing life family friends coaches behind me and away very lucky very lucky person. I'm sure there was a part of you at one point that maybe you wouldn't get this cracking and because of politics not because you didn't deserve it but you know with the brock stuff and who knows how that plays out i mean i'm sure there was a party. That may be lost. Hope at at some point throughout this process right <hes> yeah i at times might now unroll from to get it but an alarm <unk>. It's gonna work out now. What do you do. I'm not going to dwell on it. Yeah towards the end of your title run. The relationship with the brass was a little frothy st. How would you describe it now. We're going to charge last night. It was good yeah good. You let dana put the belt around your ways yeah. Hey target now. You don't wanna let your coaches do it again. This time of you very thoughtful thoughtful. Things were said leading up to the fight are they're still hard feelings there man. It's all business thing always doing always okay. I'll automobiles up amazing fighter. We had a great fight. I think a lot of people appreciated. That's i loved it is from the fans love to see thanks to guys who to warriors and he's he's amazing fight or not. He he gets all our credentials. He needs it although a pro the praise because he's tumors missing further and it's nice for the city of cleveland who now seems like are very far from winning anything for cleveland guy to win something right talk. Come on. Let's go to a pretty good game aspects. I brace <unk> number. One wildcard browser could star and we've seen this lloyd look turkey. You think that's how i saw lebron. You see lebron shot you out. Did you see that ushered recall. Yeah and i think your first title defense now as champion again has to be back in cleveland that scene was to we gotta do it. What do you think i am. Allison is one of the first year we might cake. It's written <unk> wait. Did you hang up on me. He might have hung up on us. I know him with the cleveland can reconnect. I just have a couple more questions for the champ who is celebrating his thirty seventh seventh birthday. We are the same age. I'm apparently a little over a month older than the trivia challenge. Oh you're calling him back all right yes yes. He is the trivia challenge. Halawani knows trivia challenge chant. He is a proud owner. We're going to do that again probably november so perhaps he'll be able to successfully defend his title shocked a lot of people he was a big underdog going into that event and was able to dominate rather thoroughly early his knowledge very impressive and his fighting skills and now we've come to learn his dancing skills very impressive as well with that little jig that he did after beating daniel cormet on saturday in the fourth round. He's about to go off and celebrate. His birthday. Just had a couple more questions for st bay before we get to our in studio guests. Nick newell also proud member of the n. w. Oh by the way the newell world order. He's fighting about to our st barry there. I am. I'm sorry no problem. I thought i pissed you off with that question. You're like enough of this guy said about private. I i just wanted to ask before. I wanted to ask before i let you go. It seems like there's three i n please don't get mad at me for asking but it'd be remiss if i don't. There's there's there's a trilogy gee. There's an in ghana rematch or i think a john jones fight shorts. What do you think through questions are go up up at figuring out mirror. Okay you're not leaning or interested in one thing over the other. Just try to outsmart breakthrough immaculate career break okay okay. Is it fair to say you're done for the rest of the year are about ask somebody <unk> detroit. My character can come out testing is that you look at that that whose arms are those are impressive arms right there. Oh my god look at those biceps. Wow sintas curls everyday unbelievable ask. What do you think of the new belt you like it better than the order. Also i like your school is nice. I do like it okay and this of course your first time fighting a dad. Now you win the belt. Did you have a moment with your daughter. Did you show her the belt. I know she's only a year old but what was that like being able to share that with her. She casually reported the toys for you must have been cool right. It was it was awesome. Just ought not to wake up with <unk> we allegations after the site and so we got back to the hotel room. Find one or two as it's like a rock and she woke up she were there. She woke up at <unk> doesn't only guy sorry sorry about that gnome. Awfully that's terrible but anyway yeah. It was just amazing. The russell was awesome. Well enjoy this deep a very happy for you once again congratulations on the win welcome back you. Did it and again happy birthday. Should i send this to you guys or should i eat the cupcake. What do you think i should do. I'm right indulge in that. When you eat okay thank you and by the way we're having the trivia challenge in november if you want to defend the more important title n. w. o. belts. You're more than welcome that we're going to be a new york city m._s._g. M._s._g. for it this time i mean if they get a repeat all right we'd love to have you for now though enjoy the day <hes> enjoy the belt. Enjoy your family and thank you for doing this. I know how much jim had to convince you to do it. I appreciate it very much that i would love to. Thank you god. I don't believe you but thank you. I appreciate that story. Okay all right. Thank you c. Bay congrats man torture. Thanks road all right there. He is the new heavyweight champion steep amiach now a two time champ because not only has he won the heavyweight title twice but he's the champ and he's the heavyweight champion view of c. so he's a champ champ in his own right pretty amazing all right so that's his story now. Let's not waste any time. Let's say hello to the man nick newell who's joining us. Look that that we go from one man to the next. How are you nick. Thank you for joining us for having me on. It's great to have you here this as the chair bounces away. You're wearing shorts. Schwartz is a freezing for you and here is a freezer and yes. I know this is how i address. Oh okay well how far d'you live from here by the way bristol connecticut forty forty minutes. Maybe okay not too bad. You should come visit us more often. I know her neck of the woods. Invite me i'll come through. I will you by the way you're sort of a proud member of the different indiana annual world and we will you did. I acknowledged that you kind of did the play on words. I i'm stealing the. We're the nose world order. Oh yes because yes exactly congratulations on this opportunity this a big deal. When you're making your debut this saturday in your backyard essentially bridgeport connecticut webster bank arena against cory brownie how far you live from bridgeport about ten minutes from the arena from bridgeport. I live on about five minutes but the arena is about ten minutes. Let's i grew up in milford connecticut which is about fifteen minutes from there and now i live in trumbull connecticut. Which is the next town over from from bridgeport so i was actually really if you are my instagram. I just posted a video <hes> dr empathic as i was going to somewhere and i pass arena all. I'm well pretty cool. It's pretty motivating and it's really good to have something that i can give back to. My fans have been there for me since day. One can come and see the people i grew up with. It's literally right there fall in connecticut but not my hometown well an hour and a half away so this one's good all the time to take. It's going to be really happy okay. So how did this this whole thing. Come about because you took the year off. You came back. You wanna look good and you're always hoping for that big opportunities a big stage had of this deal a belt or happen mm-hmm yeah so <hes> you know i had i had i took some time off yup because i was having my son so my wife was pregnant and as our first first kid so i wanted to be there for her and support her family i over everything but the whole time i was training and i was getting better i was like i i knew what i had to work on and i wanted to fix those things and when you have a fight camp it's hard to do those. Things is why camps all about timing in audit camp is all about technique so i just worked on my technique technique improve my technique and fix things i thought needed fixing and jumped right back in there and and one one fast and and you know i was a little oh banged up from the camp but i took i took like two weeks off and start training in and this opportunity came to me and i'm jumping on it and so correct me if i'm wrong. This'll one ideal right. Yes a one fight deal okay so it seems like perhaps because you're a big draw in connecticut. You helps a lot of tickets as you said. They're putting you on the card but it's also opportunity for you to. They've opened the door for you to burst through that door correct. Yes so ideally you know i want to. I want to go go fight for balladur and raise my stock so by fighting for for bell tower is a big opportunity. It's a big arena near my house. <hes> <hes> you know they're giving me a good push which is cool. You know i'm ready. I'm i'm gonna win this. I am very confident but it's like an audition. Listen to me to me. It's like i win this fight and then <hes> belts or will hopefully offer me a really good contracting nice long-term something where i i can grow with them and and be a part of the organization have they said to like you know do good things impresses and then we'll talk their clause in the contract where they they get the right to the sign you first anything like that. No it's just one can go literally sign somewhere else on sunday morning. Technically i could yeah now looking looking to do that. No i actually very i. I appreciate the people that give me opportunities for <hes>. You know hopefully i can i can land. I'm in a good opportunity with belmore after this and grow from there especially since they come to connecticut all the time and they do. I've gone all over the place to fight and traveled. It's easier on your final home. Could you even put a number on how many tickets you sold your such a huge draw here in connecticut you. If you have any idea basically i mean they gave me a bunch of tickets sold them and then i told a bunch of people like hey. Can you meet me at my. Can you meet me. I'm like no. I'm not meeting you. I'm training for a fight. Buy it online so i told a bunch of people to buy them online lines. I definitely definitely couple hundred tickets. Can you describe the feeling going into this. One compared to the fight on contender series seems like there are similarities right like you have to win this fight to get the big. You know the big contract next. How do you feel compared to last year. Yeah it's good. I'm different different. I'm a different person now that i am also you know <hes> i'm a father now. I've matured a little bit. I kind of figure out the things i need to work. I made some changes ages and <hes> and even in that fight you watch that fight. I thought it was a good fight. You know i'll say that he won. That's cool but there's like not a really really a a lot about him that you know he could end up being the champion he could be a great fighter and i i took it to him that fight you know and i got taken down and controlled so i i worked on that. I i fix things that need fixing and non back and and and i know that me i know i belong amongst the elite and and i've been asking for these opportunities and bell towards giving it to me so i'm very appreciative of that. You said you change. Some things like what i just. I just my schedule. I i run my own. Gym in connecticut is called fighting arts academy him advertising and right now. We're moving to milford next month. We're in west haven okay now. That means is anything but for my connecticut people so i kinda mix up my schedule i brought in some coaches that i was doing everything everything on my own so i brought in some coaches that i like to work with and now allows me some time to work with them also travel up to springfield on where my head coach fighting arts academy jeremy ali shah. I've been working with since day one. I go to him more and i just get more time in you know because i'm i'm trying to provide for my family and with some steady income and also become an elite fighter and and it's it's kinda in a hard to to balance but i feel like i found that balance and and right now my timing everything my weight cut my camp. My team is awesome and i built a great thing in connecticut connecticut and i have a a great system that revolves around me when i fight and i really like that as opposed to having to do everything yourself you want. You want to be the star of the show right. You don't want to just be another cog in the wheel a yeah i just i prefer the small camp for myself boxing right more like a couple more like a boxer rates. It's it's not a knock on the big teams because the big teams have the most guys the best guy so you know but <hes> it's just it's different people thrive under different environments and found a really good thing here in connecticut. I saw a photo on your instagram recently where you were with glover to shera yes with him. Is that is. Is that a new thing as well yeah. I recently started working with him. A little bit more <hes> you know in the future are gonna add more time with him and figuring my schedule but but he's a very motivating guy live his gyms about thirty five minutes from my house which could pretty convenient and and obviously he's one of the best fighters in the world so <hes> governor i have a good relationship and and we get along really well and he's just a great guy so if there's that tool there in connecticut that's right there. I'm i'm gonna use it and and he was welcomed at his gym and i couldn't be more appreciative is a nice to be. Perhaps it's on the cusp of getting something secure from big organization because i see on twitter like you're campaigning two things you have to kind of raise your hand and say i'm here you. You guys are gonna connecticut. You're going in my neck of the woods. Those days could be over if things go well on saturday. You know what i mean like. I'm sure at some point you don't wanna keep doing that right yeah i. I i definitely don't i mean i had the i had a lot of buzz around me. You know in in world series of fighting and i went four and one there had some some really great fights and then i was worn out injured beat up and i had a moment where i was a little weak and a little. We'll just done with it so i took some time off on and i came back and i kind of had to start over so it was. I'm okay with that. You know. I don't feel like i'm special or deserve anything more than anyone else. I just like fighting and i i love challenging aging myself if i have to ask for something or or throw my my name in there. I don't mind it but it's better when when people are asking for you when fighting for year so hopefully after this fight i'll i'll definitely i won't have to ask anymore. He will be asking me yeah. I haven't talked to a minute after the contender series fight. How did how did you handle that being so close and not realizing that dream. How was that on you this game. This game is crazy crazy. Now i to be honest with you. I did what i could. I prepared to the best of my ability. I went in there to fight. I went in there to get the finish and and sometimes these these things they don't work out the way they you hope you know and they contender series is a relatively new show but there's been guys that have lost on the ultimate fighter and came back and then champion so it's not a determination of of skill or lack of skill. It was just on this given day. He was a better guy i so. I'm not even really bother. Of course i'm upset. I wish i one. I tried my hardest but i know where i belong. I trained with these guys. You know i do do my swap camp thing but i also go to other gyms and cross train with people and i know where i stand. I'm not here to embarrass myself. I wouldn't do this if i didn't think that i was ready. I wouldn't ask ask for these opportunities if i didn't know that i was capable of competing because one thing is because of my arm i get a lot more attention but also it's not all positive attention a lot of it's negative and it's a lot of people that can't wait for me to lose. We could say i told you so. I knew i know he doesn't belong you know and then people are on one side or the other really it's like. You're you're really here. You're down with me or you're. You're not with me and for me. It's like like <hes> kind of ignoring that and just being real with myself is is an is an important thing and not letting people's opinions stop you but i know what i'm capable capable of and no one's perfect and i know that i'm going to have my day and i know that i'm gonna be able to do things in this game name. You know if you look at my fight with just engage. He's very good fighter. I heard him multiple times. The fee i ended up losing but i did better than some guys that are ranked top ten in the world and not a knock on those guys but you know we had a dog fight so it's really the the contender series fight. You don't know anything about this guy that i thought so you know so. It's it's whatever you know. It's me and it's like there's nothing you can do about it except get better and that's exactly what i've done. I've gotten better and now i'm fighting for bell tower and i'm gonna. I'm gonna make a statement. I'm just wondering if you were down afterwards. If you want to take a break if you checked out if you need i know you're about to become a dad. Had you know what i mean like how you handled that there was so much hoopla surrounding that fight right. This was the big opportunities. I mean the most talked-about guy on that season in my opinion yeah. I think that was the biggest fight that the shows that ever had i am not surprised you know but i'm just trying to not be grounded like definitely with you know after the fight i was sad so i ate a bunch of food. That's really bad and got a little fat and then i was like i gotta gotta keep going you gotta gotta get back on tracking and literally i was back training within like a week or two okay and i was trained that why i was still in las vegas because one of my fighters had a fight out. There guy just in sumter had a fight so i had a corner him so i stayed out there and i trained while i was there. Okay you know right after my fight i wasn't on. I just wanted to be there for my wife and support her so that's why i'm off okay. You're always planning on taking time off. It had nothing to do with the loss. Yeah i mean it's just the weather opportunities present themselves right you know and and after that no one really was was reaching out to me and i was training getting ready in case anyone came to me and see e._s._m._a. Is like a great organization. I love them. All i recommend recommend any fighter fights for c._s. 'cause they take great care of their fighters and they give you opportunities and they came to me and they were nick. We really want you to fight on our car and egging me and now i'm here yeah that helped you get back into the yeah the public eye and whatnot had this bill to opportunity dot com after that one do you were you planning on still keep on going like would you have been happy continue to fight for us. I think they're a great organization. <hes> maybe i wouldn't fought this summer but i was still training and when the opportunity came i was already in shape and i was feeling great and i was like you know what maybe i'll maybe l. skip. I'll skip the barbecues and the beach <unk>. I'll just train because you only get you only get one life to do this stuff and i'm not really here to waste too too much time so i really focused in and i'm i'm ready to go and it was it was a little bit shorter notice than i usually get it but it actually worked out fantastic already in shape when they called me and i fell into aspect and it really. I'm very very excited. I've we've had years where doing camps and i get hurt or something happens and and this camp everything has gone great and i can't don't really complain about anything and you know i've. I'm ready to go. I'm surprised they put you on the prelims. I'm i'm sure you don't care. I know you're not gonna make a big stink but like considering what you just said about contender series. You're as well known as probably every other fighter except for the guys in the main event who maybe even these days more people who you are sergei fiery tarnow right like the the newer fans so i'm surprised they put you on the prelims. Well stick with your people so the one ideal so it kind of makes sense dance to put the guys that they have more long term. They're going to build around on the main card so that's what even though i have more followers on bigger following. It's still will it makes sense to me. You know it'd be nicer if i if i was on the main card because i at least get more sponsors you know oh yeah but but you know i'll i'll make it work and i'll do my thing and go out there and make a statement and they'll put me on the on the broadcast anyway you see. I feel you like the matchup itself. You've versus browning leads me to believe that they're not just looking at you as a one off because browning has a little thing going on himself. He beat kevin ferguson junior baby slice. He then beat aaron. Charmers like these are guys that they had high hopes for so now. Maybe they're putting him in this spot as being like you know the the rising star killer hiller whatever you wanna call even though i feel like you're kind of past that point anyway but you know what i mean but if you beat him now. You're the guy who stopped him. He's not just some schmo that they picked off that. We don't know there's a story there so i i feel like they're subtly investing you as well even though they gave you one fight. You know what i mean yeah. No i felt the same way and i i really appreciate that from them and the thing about a him is he's a he's a good well rounded fighter. I studied him. You know i'm prepared for hand. You know about him before yeah because he when he fought baby slice. It was in connecticut so i was there okay. Can i watch it. You know you get to guys like like those guys aren't at your level though chalmers and and in an baby slice in in i obviously watch the fights that they had with <hes> he's had with them and he beat them but these guys don't have the experience that i have. I think that they both there's little things about them. Were in the future. I think they'll be very good but right now. They're not ready for it and i'm ready for it and i have the composure in the experience that these guys don't have so. They fell apart later in the fight. I'm not gonna fall apart like that. In a fight is this is my eighteenth professional fight and my twenty first fight overall so like you take someone that's had like five fights inverse someone that's had twenty. No one fights is very different right. That's a great point. When did you start. When was your debut. What year i turned pro ten years ago. <hes> two thousand nine turned pro and i had my first flight in two thousand eight one thing that i've wondered you often see like when when you see someone on a big stage on television who is like you doing well that spawns like a new generation of people and maybe it's too. It's too soon but i'm wondering if anyone who's also congenial amputee has come to you and said i want to be a fighter. There is well. Have you trained with it. I've never seen you in photos or anything with other fighters. Are there anyone out there. No am i wrong. You're wrong okay here wrong all right so i guess message from people that wanna be fighters all the time and my message to them is like i give them tips and give them advice in mindset stuff but like a lot of that you can have to figure out i've had kids come to me and i've done lessons with them but there's a guy that fights for lyon fly his name's jake peacock i corner and when he fought in new york city okay okay. He is a destroyer now. It's he's not a guy. He's a k fox. Okay okay right but he's he's a young guy too. He's like maybe early twenties maybe twenty twenty one you know like young guy and he he just had a sensational knockout in his life. I debut okay drains with you. I'd no he was just in new york city. Okay just talk so he's like. Hey you wanna come new. I fight and help out in the corner so i went to him and he won by knockout in like thirty seconds and then he won again in the first round and before me there was a kickboxer baxter humby who was amazing in a world champion and now and then in grappling jean jacques machado was a fantastic grappler so on. I feel like i'm not the i i won't be the last but in m._m._a. Just the biggest name for or mixed martial arts but it's also i'm not a contest sure some some guy came along and that was amazing one hand out with things that is like the coolest thing ever you know and it's good to see see that like i said before that you can be a victim of your circumstances or you create your own in in you can sit there and be like all life's so hard for me or i can't do this or that earned but the reason why but i feel like people like me 'cause they can relate to me because everyone has their struggles. I don't think that my path was harder better than anyone else is. I don't think it took me like oh. I did this and i overcame that you'll never hear me saying that. Of course it was hard you know of course of course i had to do a lot and i had to deal with a lot in and do that but everyone has problems in. Everyone has things going on in their life that that people can't let's see mine you can just you can see it and it's obvious what i'm going through and i feel like a lot of people can relate to me because of event you ever hear from kids from back in school. Who might have been mean to you. The now see what you do for a living and apologize or anything like that. I mean people really there's the truth is growing up. I always had a lot of friends and like people would obviously say little things about me and and i would always be quick to defend myself and i didn't really allow myself to be bullied because i always on kind of had a little cadogan me. I was always kind of tough. It wasn't until the i started becoming popular fighter and the internet that people really started sorry bullying me really really man people are mean. Yes you know but i know there's a lot of kids out there. I spoke to a lot of kids that definitely get bullying and are in different circumstances so in in my head i i've always just kind of just been like whatever you know type type a guy so maybe people have said things that have been very mean to me in the past and people have made comments that are very mean but i kind of just just kind of roll with them and just ignore for the most part. I don't really like a drama or issues or conflict that much so. I know that it sounds crazy but i just i have enough problems. I have enough real world problems that i deal with things that i have to worry about in my life that i don't need. That'd be arguing that someone on the internet of something right and i mean like you said very very well. People are very mean yeah you. Do you read the comments as much these days. I know like early on your very active on social media. How are you now. Have you changed your ways if you if you on my <hes> if you're on my instagram i'm gonna see it. <hes> follow it okay no but sometimes those comments. I don't even really read them in in the article i mean you you get the same comments every time so you go through and you see article about me and it's gonna be the same thing like either like i can't. I can't wait to zia's guy fight. He's amazing. I love him like new world order stuff like that and then you get people that are like all he saw. He lost her case. You know like like i'm like okay but he's a lot of people it's just let's chill out very okay and then you get people that are like all his opponent. We'll have the upper hand. Got a hand to this guy on two thumbs up for this guy in on. It's just like stupid. Stuff is very low hanging fruit and it doesn't really affect me anymore. You know so it's like i know exactly what the comments are gonna say so i don't even i don't even read it. You mentioned that you just became a dad. How's how's fatherhood <hes>. It's the best old is your son now. My son wyatt is eight months now. He was born on december seven. Th which is actually the same day that i won the world title would change my life and i same i'm dave i won the second world series of fighting really fight so it's kind of a very significant day to me aside from the whole pearl harbor harbor thing which was horrible but you know it was kinda kind of a crazy crazy day of all days to be born and you feel like you know. I was just talking about this and i remember you know. Ceremonies talked about this so you had your first fight very recently yeah as dad. You feel like you approach the fight differently now. Well not really to be honest with you. I appreciate the m people have asked me this question and the way that i look at it is is poly different from other people so you have to fight. I have to provide for my family. I have to do this but the truth is like all mya do is go out there. You're in training starred as i can and and fight the best that i can and give it my all and never give up and give it everything i have and your family's gonna love you. No matter matter what all the people that you have to fight for your family is like the last people you should be worried about. My wife and my son are going to love me no matter what so. I don't feel any extra pressure being a father than than i did before. I'm doing this because i love it. I could do anything. I want and be good at it. That's my mindset if i dedicate myself to anything i'm going to be going to be good at it because i'm going to go that extra mile and make sure that i'm the best. You know if if i really love it. I'm going to do it so for me. That's m._m._a. And that's my goal and if there was ever something else i wanted to do. I i will go full steam ahead and now but there's not right you know and my family sees how hard i work. They see everything i put in and my son has no idea because he's a baby sure but like my wife sees that and and she's on me because i'm a good fighter. She owes me because the person so there's no extra pressure for my family no one in my family ever push me to be anything. I just always made all the decisions of things i wanted to do on my own own and they support me you know i no one in my family even played sports before me well. So you know my my wife was actually a really good athlete. Most athletic and high school division to ten s like good athletes so she understands the hard work part and everyone around me in my community and my people they all support me so as good. I apologize if this is a stupid question <hes> but was there any concern turn that your son would be born with one hand as well as a wild question. It's stupid nah. I so there's no ashtrays not that is he's not stupid so there's <hes> there's what i was born. I honestly don't know why i was i was on hand and like i'll go and speak to kids. It'll be a call. I was one like this because because i never looked into it really there's certain on using you can be born non. They never told me okay interesting so i on i know that there are certain things that are already terry but i know that this is this is not that's why i had. I had a very popular buehler post i did that was joking so we're at the midwife and she was doing the ultrasound and they said ten fingers ten toes and i said already off to a better star than daddy and the midwife didn't get it. She didn't laugh at all because she get my sense of humor and my wife's like nick shot up so but definitely i mean it's to me. It's not a big deal. You know i mean that you can like. I said it's not how far back you start. If you're willing to run faster you consoling the race right so if i had a son that was worn without a leg or arm whatever it wouldn't be a big deal because i know that he fine 'cause i was able to go through it but <hes> and he wasn't you know and and it was never concerned. I love the fact that it feels like you're the story of the weekend. There's no you see this weekend. There's there's just this one big event. There's there's other smaller shows but to me even though you're on the prelims you getting this opportunity. After everything that you've been through is really okay great and i think it's quite frankly it's about time. Biltmore gives you this chance because they know they've been to connecticut enough to where it would have been wanted in the past. Maybe this was the right time your dad now as you said. Did your little more mature. You had that time off. Maybe he was supposed to happen now as opposed to a couple of years ago yeah everything happens for a reason and i appreciate the opportunity that they're giving me and it's definitely the right time and i feel like a lot of people are interested in my fight and it's going to be is going to be. It's going to be a bank here. He you know i mean i'm gonna go out. There and i'm gonna lay it all out on the line and i'm gonna do what i do best and that's when fights you feel good. W. isn't enough like you have to do something spectacular tackler to get them truly invested in you. Just get the w. yeah. I'm just trying to win. I'm trying. I'm i'm. I'm putting that pressure well. If you watch my pfizer always exciting anywhere so you're mr must see tv yes yes. Fights are always exciting. No matter what so i'm gonna go out there and i'm gonna do my thing and i'm just gonna fight this guy and and i'm a finisher through and through if you look at my record fifteen wins and thirteen of twelve of them are finishes in in the first round so on that's fine and i can go three rounds. I've won decisions. You know it's it's exciting. It's exciting and that i do this opportunity in front of my people for <hes> organization that keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger their production value is the best in the game and they're making some really big move so i'm excited to breath. Get this opportunity and hopefully after this fight some even bigger opportunities but again. I'm not gonna get ahead of myself. It's built for two twenty. Five this saturday away from the webster bank arena and bridgeport connecticut. The main event is met metron against sergei haughty tana number two of italian minakov heavy yellow tile fortune on the card it as well. The undercard is interesting a lot of familiar names such as yourself austin vendor ford aka mr van zandt and others as well so i'm looking forward that kicks off and at five forty five eastern europe towards the top of the i would guess maybe i don't know close to seven or so you'll be fighting. I'll tell everyone show up and watched a whole card all right we we got a lotta a lotta guys from connecticut fighting and a lotta guys from the area. You know they just they just put a bunch of good undercard fights on ricky bundy house as well yeah to the biggest draws me and on and mike kimball and connecticut's rare boy are both fighting so the place is going to be crazy for us 'cause people who for him and his people root for me and we have a lot of people and then a guy john manley who i train with a bunch of times is fighting so i'm very excited for this card. Obviously i'm not really worried about anyone else. I'm only about myself sure it's very good for the fans and i'm very excited that i get to fight on the same car. Are these guys and you know. It's going to be a great show and on the people's made that you are my man congratulations on this opportunity. Good luck to you and thanks for coming in. I know that you're you're cutting weight and it's a hectic week for you but i appreciate you coming in to see you again. There is nick newell one of the great stories in the history of the sport. Where'd he said the people's main event also mr must see tv every time this man fights. It is must see tv. There's the lineup right over there this saturday at the webster bank arena <hes> in bridgeport. They're going to australia you out here. Nick okay and we didn't take the bill and you don't take. I'm not leaving so good. Luck to you my man. Thank you very much for coming in. I appreciate gated greatly this saturday in bridgeport so if you're in the area not too far from where we are right now go check it out some very good names yeah. He mentioned kimball who looked very good in his last last fight at madison square garden. He'll be on the card as well okay so that's nick newell story now. It's talked to another legend from the northeast edward alvarez aka the underground king back on track after a big win a couple of weeks ago there. He is eddie. How're you excellent man. How's it going. Everything's house how was aerosmith. Oh okay so you can follow me aw course credible they did they. It was like an in house show uh-huh at the regatta me and my wife went to we don't we don't miss this show so we we've been anyone that wears nearby so that's your favorite band. My wife's favorite band. Yeah okay tyler eve five foot from us at at one point. Wow incredible. Did you recognize you yeah. He knew what was said. Hey steve what's up ned look a chance. I wish i wish i wouldn't have been surprised as they thought that you were big in that world. Well thank you for doing this. I appreciate it always good to talk to you by the way i said earlier before get your i don't know why and it was before even knew you were going to be on the show. I was thinking about you during that pet fi like i feel like you've been intertwined with those guys and i was thinking like i wonder what eddie alvarez thinks about this fight if he he was watching the fight. Did you watch it. Did you enjoy that fight. I i watch it right away. I was soon as the lines came out. I knew i was going to take the as heavy interesting matchup iraq especially for bet and bam people match ups. I love <hes>. I love that song match up for me one thing about these days as he he you know he picks he picks good stahl metropcs your mean he don't he don't he does a good job doing that. So he made sure he got the right opponent and the lot the bookies had that all messed up our i was really happy about that or maxed out almost always happy with what do you think of how he looked. Great great great that's kind of pedestal kryptonite right like a pressure fighter <unk> for a lot of volume stays in his face and doesn't allow kansas to move around and be creative and just kind of stays on them nate nate <unk> footpaths never seen nate it claims giancana wrestle and grapple so much so <hes> that was a that was a good fight for him so a couple of weeks ago we saw you in one championship and we know about the story how the first fight for one went and then the second flight doesn't look like it's going your way either and then in classic underground king fashion russian you're able to turn things around and pull off an amazing fight but from what i understand you were very banged up going into that fight right yes so we we were ten days before the ten days before the fight probably about i think two days before i was about to leave for the philippines i i messed michael all pretty bad. They grapple in practice and it got a little itchy. We were we were considering just calling up and saying. I don't know if we can do do this so i i kept wrestling shoe on and kept my foot all the way up until the flight so until the fight happened. The back in the locker room was the first time i actually moved around with bare foot and got to feel exactly how it's gonna feel the fight day so <hes> it was all little sketchy but we just we were too close to the fight to close to pull out and i just you know we kept a strong belief in ourselves. That will figure it out when we get in there and we did. How's it feeling now a lot better a lot. I had a chance to lay off it. When when you're two weeks from the flight and you still gotta get down to wait a little bit and <hes> you're nervous energy. You wanna move around. It's difficult <hes> having injury at that time. The timing is terrible so on now i actually have a chance to lay off it to give it the proper time to rest not keep getting flamed and and flame up on me so i was happy. I'm happy about right now. Was it hard to cope. Wait with an injured ankle. Degrade thing was if i had to cut the fifty five i i was calling up and saying if i had to make that way cut the way i normally do. I gotta run do that got to do a lot of things to get to fifty five so thank god we do hydrate wayans in fighting closer to my natural way because otherwise that was a that was a that was a colada <unk> kohout sick work where i don't know how you call curb sick. No call it a call it a work sick. Call out a worksheet. That's what i was doing if i had to cut the way because they would have been it would have been very difficult to cut down fifty five without a without a bomb ankle and so in that fight early on like i said not really going your way. Do you even remember what you're thinking. Because you can't start your one career to write that would have been disastrous yeah but not on my mind right. Gotta worry about what's in front of me. <hes> kinda thoughts try to creep in. They try to creep in all the time so so <hes>. I have my mind out of that just focus on the task at hand. That's directly in front of me. That was like kind of if i knew if i went in and he started hearted i knew it was gonna kick our just hoping i can get out of the way one to grapple quickly trying to get into the ground quickly so so we could avoid <hes> him hitting or hit him hit in my upper upper shannon stuff like that so <hes> i want to avoid all that and you know thank god. He tried to finish me on top. You know <hes> if you were backed out and just told the rest let me out. I don't know how i i don't know how great that would have went for me. So on thank god he got excited and try to finish his it allowed me to get him close to pull out sweep and then get on all interesting interesting okay so you think that he made a big mistake by trying to finish you their mistake when guys her you should always try to finish you know you can go back to shoot it to this should have did that. I don't do that to myself <unk> in fights because when i feel like when you when you add poker aces you go all in every time and you can't look back. If someone else catches a full house or something like that and say aw i should have did this. You play the hand. You're dealt and you play at the same time every day so i don't know the same way every time time so it was it was he he went in try to finish <unk> hammy her did and i was able to adapt quickly and get the finish so he forwarded to fight for afforded good fight. I'd apted and it was was it. It wasn't a long fight but you were back in a ring for this one. How do you feel about that ring versus cage. You've spent some time in a ring before back in the day but i believe it had been a minute. What do you feel like you feel like. There's a big difference for you. I i love. I love fighting in the ring. It feels like just like friday yeah even when even when you watch it the appearance of the show looks like pride and feels like pride a lot aw and it's like a blast from the past so the first of all the can this in the one championship cage is like an n._f._l. Turf i like as a fighter. I've been fighting almost twenty years when you step on this canvas you just it just feels like an n._f._l. Turf like this is the real deal at sticky nikki. Here's your foot. You can move around well. It just a really really good canvass and i think the difference between the cage and the ropes the biggest difference is seen because i was watching the event in the back and watching the fights before mine is when you get taken down. You don't see a lot of guys get back up. It's almost like you better. Knock it taken down because it's very difficult to cage climb to us the cage you get backup. You gotta have good sweeps. You gotta have a ways to get up and be a great shape to just continue to pop pop up or good submissions because it's very difficult to. There's no case to climb on. There's nothing to assist you get back up so <hes> that was the biggest difference. We just seen a lot of you. Guys get taken down and not able to get back up now. We'll be ankle be an issue. You're coming back relatively soon october. Thirteenth is the final of the tournament. Will that upi an issue. No no absolutely not okay now. I don't feel i don't feel anything right now. Fun okay wow so just a freak thing. No no it was it was the ability to not be able to rest it <hes> it kind of went on and i wasn't able to keep pounding and pounding and pounding it and it just inflammation wasn't going back down so it was just it was a painful to pop around on a move around on so given this small amount all the time. I've been able to rested a week later. All the information goes down. It's not in day so <hes> it was just i wasn't able to rest. I just had to keep going on and now that was the biggest difficulty. Are you feeling now with two events under your belt over there. You feel like it's home. Do feel comfortable. I'm getting. I'm getting not where <hes> the debut like. I said i never had a great debut on any any promotion. There's a lot of expectation. I don't l. Maybe i just don't do well in that man. I need to get comfortable and i. I also like feeling lead. Calm like i o people something like it putting that on myself like gain like i kinda got the gain people's respect versus just getting it so i don't know i think this tournament has very very good fighters in <hes> whether they're unknown or not i've i've said this. I'm not changing my tune either. I've said this arrow probably fifteen years ago. The best fighters in the world are virtually unknown in the jungles of brazil during the foothills of dog stan. They're all over the world also there's always misconception between the most popular guys and the best fighters in the world and neither one of them have have anything to do with each other and it's a great point because you go out there and you fight these guys and i know for the casual fan or maybe even the american fan they're like oh. We expect you to beat these guys so like it's almost like a lose lose for you because they expect you and then if things don't go your way for it's a tougher than expected fight then like oh what happened eddie alvarez why just because they don't know this guy and so i'll ask you a question that asks to meet your johnson last week. Do you have a lot of people come up to you and say we miss you eddie where have gone. Where can i see your fights. How funny more just because they're unaware had to watch you or where you went. I don't <hes> i think i people are we're used u._f._c. so they're watch you up saying come back to the u._f._c. <unk> but when you watch fighting <unk> real fight fans if you're a fan of the fighting sixteen year since nineteen hundred sixteen years now <hes> if you've been following me you know i'm gonna fight sin so i understand the spark work if <hes> guys like you know alvarez gennady lofton and these guys. I don't care where they fight a lot of times. I don't care who their opponent is. I just love watching them fight so no matter what platform they go to you know i don't care about the platform i care about the fighter care about can can get like certain certain fires that i love watching fights just engage you like i'll. I'll go watch speed. Species guys fight on any platform. I don't care who the promotion is who the opponent is. I love watching them fight. So i expected the same outta. My fence expected the same love that i have for the sport that i am as a fan that people would say. Hey just like watching him fight so i'll watch him fight anywhere. Don't you feel though that m._m._a. Fans are a little different that they're a little more loyal to the brand or the promotion than they are to the fighter as opposed to boxing where they will follow the fighter no matter they're fighting i do that that'll evolve so as as the power gets more into the fighters hand that evolve you know and it's already happening. You know power-shifting little. It's it's happening slowly but it's happening our shifting in the fighters you're getting more and more power understanding that <hes> the the fighters the asset you can go on any platform. They have a <hes>. They got so many platforms now so just follow the fighter beatrice fight fan fall a fighter. Watch him wherever he goes ghost. What makes you think that the power shifting. I'm just more more more and more high profile guys. The bigger names are willing to fight out. Contracts won't believe will on the let promotions bid over them versus <hes> being so all about the brand. You should be more about your brand than you are about the promotions brand right if your business should care about your own brand. Not you know not so much promotion and are you getting good sponsors out there incredible soon as i as soon as i left you know signed a major deal venom okay and <hes> there's there's a lot more things in the making taking but consider considering. I was getting five thousand bucks from reebok. I'd say we're we're doing quite well all right so the final is october thirteenth your footing imagine how much you know about psyche are slowly of dangerous credible opponent you guys you're you're gonna wanna watch kissed credible <unk>. Honestly i have nothing bad to say about. Among we have a a lot of like training partners and i believe he i believe just like zubi he was in. He came came from a boarding school where they teach fighting from a young age so <hes> we have a lotta light trading partners. He has a lot of the same style that sabih in the other guys do where to have wushu backgrounds also strong <unk> strong grappling backgrounds so on very dangerous. Thanks opponent a you. Don't you don't even get to see much tape on him because he ends a lot of flights in the first round so <hes> i love and i've done my bast against opponents who are dangerous like guests where where i feel. I genuinely genuinely feel afraid a little bit <unk>. I've you really well like that because when my back's against the wall and i feel a little bit afraid i some kicks in where i compete compete at a level that i don't even know capable of so. I'm looking forward to fuel that fear emotions and going out and fighting and that will be the the one hundredth show for one championship october thirteenth. It's going down and also dimitrius. Johnson will be competing in the bantamweight week grand prix final. I believe they call it over. There and it's going to air prime time here in the united states so this will be their first <hes> the t._n._t. Not at the eric primetime hearing unanimity live. I'm gonna probably fight in the morning in asia. Okay which will be. It probably nine ten o'clock saturday night or one of the nights <hes> here in the united states. You'll be able to see everything alive edward breaking news for us on the program. I like that thank you. I appreciate it. I don't even know. I don't even know if i was supposed to do that but you're welcome. Thank the trouble after this. What do they do kick you out of the tournament for god's sakes i mean you are the damn tournament all right. Thanks for doing this. I appreciate it very much and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you guys. There is eddie alvarez the underground king himself breaking news for us on this monday afternoon all right now. Let's turn our attention back to the u._f._c. heavyweight division earlier in the program we we spoke to steep emir church about becoming champ again. I was thinking about francis and gone ooh on saturday of course they had that fight back a u._f._c. two twenty since then and gone undefeated on a roll. These days is next for st bay. Let's ask him. He joins us now from cameroon policies. Are you there. Yes sir how are you. Where exactly are you right now. I mean wow in your village what he doing there yeah well. I'll tell you life with family. Stay you know the go get getting back to what i missed every family style what i do on you no. It's not because he did this season enjoy when you when you come home by the way to your village. Are you a big deal like. Are you a big superstar. Everyone comes up to bothers you. Wanna talk to you all that stuff. Do you feel that attention yes but <hes> when i stayed in the same spot what for very low for a long time slow down and i stay home on get some teams get quiet. Did you have an opportunity to watch these steep a fight on saturday. Oh oh yeah okay. What did you like. What do i think while you were. I mean <hes> <hes>. I didn't expect aspect despite like to be so intense your socially fight i mean the heat is shorter very well. Troop bunches side great. I mean just like us. Hugh wrestling attempt <hes> dentition and or defied if not off strike on the yeah. I think <hes> steeping take over maybe he he might i be that booty showed that he started to to put on dc that sick d._c. Because d._c. was very where i mean maybe he he was winning. I was winning the fight before then but since the steepest we do good is short. That's open. He gets a good on trial. Ooh creek site were you hoping did you think there was a better chance for you to get a title shot. If stay one or were you rooting for one guy over the other <hes> no really because <hes> i don't think my <hes> my tighter show right. Now should be like <hes> hooping strategically expecting to byun as i d i i i should fight <hes> i dig i shall find to we know you see on t._v. Where <hes> the wins the fight but i used to be. I think it's a good thing for me to be like a block at the same time debating short so the reason i asked that was because i know the first fight between stupid was criticized and so maybe you were afraid that they would not want to do the fight again because yes. I am really live up to the hype yeah <hes> we have to <hes> we have to through through what has to be done. I think under sport now that i i kinda i deserve short then. I should have it and so. Do you feel like you were going to get it. Are you confident you're going to get it. Have you been told that you're gonna get it. You know i would be taught doc. I'm being confident. I don't know i don't know exactly what is happening into the u._s. Executive. I don't know what he's down mindset it. I've seen that dan not really <hes> <hes> <hes> on the answer of me deserve any title short me fighting next or not and i don't know what is real kim that what's making dot being clear for them but you know when you stood up to them at the end of the city so that's that's. What is it annoying to that. They're being unclear that you don't know what what they're thinking what direction they're going to go in. I mean your resume would speak for itself. There's no other contender at heavyweight to me. It seems like there's three options for st pay bathers you. There's maybe a trilogy with call me or john jones if he moves up so it's it's. It's not that difficult at heavyweight. You would be the next guy if it's not d._c. Right yes but <hes> again. That's why i don't understand why not deal for them so the u._s. You should be you know. That's why it's very frustrating situation right now. Are you even open to taking another fight. Do you want to be active or are you going to sit back and wait sort of like what steve did over the past year. I should wish five. Should i take we'll be on. I i mean honestly. That's what's make that not only what i want but that would make sense right right. No you're a hundred percent right. I mean it would just be to make money would just be to get a pay day. You would just be to make it yeah like there'd be no reason to take another fight other than if you just wanna get paid. You know what i mean like. You don't have to do anything else to prove to us. You're the number contender but you know. Maybe if you just want to get paid. That's why that's the only reason at this point. There's no one else that's even close to you. Yes that's what i'm saying so let's see how it plays out what happened. How would you feel if they if they did john jones against cpa. Would you be upset about that <hes> so because i think i'm next in line be me yes. I hope you upset about that right now. You're in you're in cameroon. How long are you going to be there for yeah for like oh one more week. Then oh for badly i believe two zero before come to the u._s. Okay i'll be in the u._s. For like maybe two weeks from now <hes>. We also got some exciting news about you last week. You're going to be a part of the next next fast and furious. Can you tell us what you'll be doing. What kind of role you'll have <hes>. I don't have my role yet. I have i just had to the screen for the date that idead three months ago that the t._v. clear inflammation about my role in this as kind of like how how you happen how we used to be so stay confidential confidential onto into onto the last moment okay and is this your first movie yes. He's my very first one. I'm not at least i'm yeah exciting. That's exciting. Have you ever seen fast and furious. Oh i don't eighteen days. Nobody will have in seed. You're talking to one scene so the first one. I've never seen it for a situation where i swear to israel. Does your fosse's yeah. Maybe because you're oh you're busy checking both fight taking about following information on that's right so tracking information on stocks suggest which is your favorite. I think there's been eight right eight or nine. Which is your favorite my favorite. I mean the very first one on was good. I mean <hes> very precise of just just like speed of god. I really thought on feels like like a by the six she started like very actions like big action <hes> involved yes. I think the mike the michael's demise but and what about coming to america any any update on that or going to be a part of that one <hes> i would like to i mean i'll <hes> i'll have to check on eddie murphy okay yes he has to. He has to let some real africa take. They're all full to come into africa. That's right yes coming to america to it would be a good film as well and so. I also wanted to know go ahead. No i come into i mean. I figured it'd be a good one. No i'm not fitting through fitting one co rule of coming to that's right. We could do a reversal missile. You've got do that if it you very one. How is the foundation. I saw a photo on your instagram where you're bringing a lot of stuff a lot of supplies the cage the mad all that stuff. How's the foundation going. Foundation is pretty good and <hes> like yesterday. We did some similar to you know <hes> do we call parents kids parents and and to explain to them like really what's really going on on <hes> you know we have to educate them about the sport. Every team to terrify parents way kit left who on goto sport institute good found with them. You know it's kind of a very tough job and also <hes>. I found some volunteer with named sam. <hes> sam crew so ooh he's here now. Six weeks had had it been keat floor jitsu on <hes>. Yes things things are getting his together. Okay so finally before. I let you go francis. What is the message too steep and the u._f._c. what you want them to know the message or they may say she's that <hes> here waiting for that for that for the rematch for the title short and and on a that is evil be unfair to not let me to not get give me that site because with a half i've done work has to be done to deserve it to prove that i can get the opportunity pack and i think you should be that you think having that sit down with dana will help your cause finally sitting down with him clearing the air i don't know i don't know if that's on thin got got something who could happen event but you know just do what is fair. What acts in for all all right. We shall leave it at that. Thank you very much francis. Good luck getting the fight. I appreciate you doing this all the way from cameroon. Thank you thank you okay. Hey me or do we to wherever you are always my friend. We'll talk to you soon there. He is lepanto. I'll see see some guy new hoping to get that title. Shot says he's frustrated but he wants. What's right. He wants it to be fair. He wants to be next steve bay like i said i think there's three the options. There's the dc trilogy and in case. You're wondering you know. I have a good relationship with d._c. I didn't want to have him on the show. I don't wanna ask him i. I would've loved to have him on the show but i didn't wanna ask him today. I wanna give them some time. We all know how hard it takes these losses and that was a heartbreaking one firm especially because he looked so good early on so we'll talk to him when the time is right but he's out there he did not retire. I think he has nothing left to prove. I think his family and friends probably want him to retire. <hes> <hes> has nothing to prove. I think he's one of the greatest ever. This doesn't affect his legacy by any stretch but he didn't retire so he still out there. John jones is still out there without an opponent and he wants to return soon and i think a fight against cpa would be big business but then you also have the rematch to francis and stupid which i think would be fascinating as well so some some interesting options for steep a he wants some time now to regroup but we'll see how that all pans out before we get to our next guest. Let me tell you about our good friends over at ancestry. Eh dot com. Is you take a look at all-seeing guy news. Resume case you forgot and of course is coming. Three straight finishes pretty impressive most recently against unido santos. I told you about the good people over at ancestry dna. You know they do great things. You can find out. What about your family history. All you have to do is essentially sign up online. You get this little box. You spin a to send it back to them. 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We found out recently dana white confirming to the goodfellas from submission radio that max hallway versus alexander volkov ski will not be taking place on that card so that would have been a nice jolt for the card but these are some of the other fights tight vasa vasa on the card. How jake matthews local guys well holly home. Raquel pennington big fight at one thirty five and of course the main event robert whitaker against israel out of sonya. They're going back to the stadium. Where holly home knocked out ronda rousey back then it was known as has eddie hod stadium now known as marvel stadium and i'm told tickets went on sale last wednesday that press conference with whittaker. I'm told tickets have been selling pretty well. I've told around thirty thousand have been sold thus far so that's a pretty damn good start for u._f._c. two forty three but they're hoping for approximately sixty thousand which if in fact they can get to that number that would be the most ever in in u._f._c. history. They've they've been at around fifty thousand for u._f._c. one twenty nine also you have c. One ninety three sixty thousand would be the most not sure if it would be the highest gate ever depends on the ticket sales depends on the ticket prices and it depends on how many they sell but it would certainly be in that discussion as well. I will be out there. Last time i was in melbourne was four that you have c. One ninety three cards so we'll talk about that and a little later on we shall also talk to the great kurt angle. He's going to be joining us. We'll talk to him about kobe covington using his entrance music henry pseudo essentially stealing his gimmick. Maybe a little kurt angle king of the ring talk from back in two thousand and he's going to be on to promote the king of the ring which apparently is back and is starting tonight for world wrestling entertainment. Mike perry's gonna join us us in a bit as well talk about the broken nose how he's feeling stefan struve still to come about palo. Kosta shinya will talk about his big win over your romero mariam tracy house faceless because his face was pretty beat up after that win over you'll romero this past saturday at u._f._c. two forty three and he told us that he will the in melbourne israel for that car today front front row look at sonya whitaker. Another person will be there. Is our next guest holly home. She's fighting on the card against gets recalled pennington. We have connected with her so to say hello to the preacher's daughter polly home. Who's joining us from her familiar car these days holly how are you. I'm in good call so this is fine on my car listen. I'm not complaining being by any stretch. <hes> it's a good connection. It's no problem nice light so no problems whatsoever on this side. Thank you for doing this. I appreciate it. I was just talking about your return to australia but before we get to that we haven't heard much from you as far as medias concern since last month's fight against mandate nunez. How are you doing after the fight as health wise. I'm fine heart hurts like hell but i'm always looking forward on a go forward. Be better learn from my mistakes. I mean that was a big mistake and and learn learn angle forward. You know i still want to work my way back to that spot and able to fight for the title again so that's why. Why do you think you were hesitant. The fight was just a split second of hesitation. You know there's a lot of things that we weren't donald are things that were really what league saw they would be and i felt like all right. I'm getting your timing right. This is going to be here. This is going to be there and just rather than going forward more like i should have. You know little things. Just let's not kick instead on lake and just halfway hold that i i can't. Let's not do that again. Did you feel like the early portion of the fight was actually going well for you. Are you liking the way things were progressing. I feel like i was kitchen. Get like really like feeling timing and i just feel like i didn't let enough go soon enough. You know <hes> the things that we were gonna be looking for. Were there just wasn't. I wasn't really capitalizing soon enough. You know i let her <hes> become become offensive and be i two and every everything is clear hindsight so there's living can do about it now but just learn from it and move forward and knows one round and any punching me the last one the last moments of flight really. I just want to keep going forward. I don't feel like <hes> and the fight was like bag work like she was you know making work of me is just both kind of feeling each other out and then then one kick unfortunately <hes> first time in your career that you were knocked out. It's been a long time when you're fighting career in general almost a decade since you experience something like that and so you mentioned heartbroken. That's what stuck with me in the aftermath back in the locker room and when when you went back home how are you feeling about it going through that again just different you know the last dog. How was their all laura want that any loss. I don't care how it is jeremy. You're my feel like my my last. One was definitely you know i had headaches and also throwing because that a concussion and you know that's fine. I didn't feel any of that. I didn't have any kind of a physical side effects from actually fo fine but like that's why i say my heart is that's lakes. You know it's like just to have that loss sucks anything then and that's really the only thing that hurts. You know my my body's fine. I'm physically fine. Obviously it took some time off of sparring because i don't wanna be dumb about going to be smart. Just go and be sparring right away. I've been training since i go back and as far as conditioning running and things like that mia i'm back to scoring now but <hes> there's always smart way to go about things but i just always been ready to get back in there and just <hes> if work you do want to take some time off after after suffering a blow like that off my brain yet to be smart. I did okay but as as far as like we're running strength training that was fine. I was ready to go right away. I took one week off went to mexico. We plan for my friends for your birthday so that was one thing that i had already planned you alf months in advance before i even knew about the fight so i was basically down there for just one week and then just got right back into running again does not work out. It doesn't feel right you know. What's the day environment doing have you have you been able to watch the fight. I watched it okay. What's coach. Honestly it's every you know. I always and i was thinking that you know certain things in my head. How fight went and then. I watch film and really went and everything that happened. I remember happening in the fine except for the kick delighting our member but i feel like the sooner he face it the center you're gonna make changes and make it better and go forward. You know <hes>. I don't want to pretend like it didn't happen to be living in a dream world. I live in a very real world and film away to get better as to look at it. Learn from it and move foreword. I get in line and myself gold time <hes> but i'd rather just face it. Watch it learn go forth. Did you wanna return so quickly or did they come to you. I think is i don't i don't know who said what i but i don't wanna fight before the end of the year and they came back and said how about australia is there was really no kind of fight one way or the other. It was just like agreement coming from the get-go. I've loved to fight for the end of the year and they said house australia s okay. I'm not going to be picky. Let's do it. Let's quick turnaround on ready. Let's just training training. Go forward my understanding was that perhaps the the initial opponent was catching gano and then things didn't work out there scheduling wise and now they ended up with raquel pennington. Which fight did you prefer. Whichever one was in front of me for what i need to be ready for her and i i had cats for. I always like her and i would need at some point and so actually like in my mind. I was like oh oh well. This is the time when we're gonna need causing great. Let's do that counting on australia october. Let's do it and then when i think she had other things going on. Take the fight so from what i understand yes i don't really know and i thought well gosh i wonder if the really look for someone someone else rock tober or if it's going to be a little bit later than that and then they came back and said broke helping tennessee creek and this is my first rematch in maine how watery matches in boxing is my first rematch in in may so it's kind of different <hes> different and i'm excited for it and then i mean i do with this but cats released from the u._f._c. Did you see that how crazy yeah you know we who knows who knows me a couple of times. I don't know <hes> story. Yeah is a crazy story. Hopefully one of these days and even saying saturn is that okay fair enough and of course the first thing that i thought aww when this fight was announced was back in australia same building where you shocked the world the you know the greatest moment of your career arguably one of the greatest moments in the history history of the sport a moment that will be talked about forever. There's the scene right there. How do you feel about going back to the exact same place different name different name for the stadium but the exact vaccine building where you beat ronda rousey. How do you feel about that because then it will be. I know you're trying to move away from talking about this fight all the time but now it's just going to bring it up once again don't well. I don't want anything soured related with that either. I don't wanna go back there and make it bad memory. Let's go back there and making another great one okay but you're happy to go back doc. I'm going back there. <hes> you know i don. The travel is will make like long on an airplane. It's just the along travel but australia doesn't feel like. I don't know i'm looking enforce going. Australia's feel like foreign to me. I guess been there a few times and have friends there visit before you even had the fight and i'm looking forward to going back. There's a great story as you mentioned. It's a rematch only is it a rematch. It's a rematch of your first fight in the u._f._c. and there was so much hype going into that fight and you were fighting in the komeda events bought ought another rousing the introduction on this big stage and now here. You have to get by rebel again to get back on track. I mean there's some nice synergy there. It's it's somewhat symbolic great. You know it feel like that's what it was. You know when i saw her. We were both in that spot that it's like whoever wins going to kind of like jumped to that next challenge jump to the next scene that that next step to get to the belt and i feel like we're both there i mean the the only difference is this time when both fought the belt or trying to get back to it. You know so it's kind of the same spot you know. We're both kind of. I feel like after this is gonna be that next. Step to get to the top and so i think that the the fight will be very different. She's learned a lot. I've learned a lot. I was very green when i fought her. I really didn't have much outplaying wrestling like i really didn't and have like a lot of 'em experience under my belt. You know <hes> so. I don't even know how many fights ahead maybe like six something something like that before. I got in the n._f._c. and they were. I mean my first three. Were basically like let's work on your ups and that was pretty much it you know and that's kind of in a game. It's been really evolving for me and i'm not saying that that's what i'm looking for putting the you know the fight into. I feel like it's just i'm a completely different fighter than i was. When i fought her the first time regardless of how the fights gonna go <hes>. I just feel like i'm a completely different than i was and like i said she's she's she's improved as well and i know she's into coming with her best and supply one of those times where she wants to come back in you know venture loss and and then stop that you remember what you were like in the first fight after the knockout loss in two thousand eleven in boxing in are you worried at all about being you know. Sometimes you see someone in the first fight after knockout little gun shy. They aren't pulling the trigger or maybe aren't as aggressive. Are you worried about that. No because this time i feel like does knockout. Wasn't that uh i can't. I'll never stay. Knock outs not bad because it is bad. <hes> tom but this one was definitely different. <hes> was definitely more worried to get hit after my knockout you mm-hmm back then because that one was one of those you wake up in the morning. Sit up on your bed for a minute because you're gonna be dizzy and then you stand ended up for a minute and then a little dizzy then you can get your wall like if that was that <hes> not that i really publicly really so so long ago. It's easier for me to talk about it now but it was a bad concussion. It was bad knockout. That's what i never felt any kind of <hes> physical you know problem so and then i was kinda like i feel like my first avon. Sparring disbar felt fine. You know if punch happens in a fight as it can happen just mean going into my i hadn't been knocked out for many years and then it happened so i'm not saying that a knockout can't happen in a fight but i'll tell you what will to help you get knocked out is to be worried about it and hesitant about it and now fight well that will get you knocked out and that's why i'm not gonna gotta let myself get there. I'm going there with every intention to go on their one hundred percent. Just let's go not worrying about right answer. Turn and i agree with that. Take for whatever it's worth. I'm just curious also done. Is amanda versus germane to random you both of them. Would you like in that fight. I'm curious to watch this fight. I think that <hes> a few things. I think that it's you were to ask how this fight go even two years ago. No i think you're gonna win and i think that a lot of people yes they're going to put their money on them and ending as but i feel like also <hes> germain has is i think gotten a little bit. Maybe i think a lot of us were wondering where we're is germane. After i had fought you just kind of disappeared for a little bit and i and came back but she's had great performances. You know she's coming off the sixteenth second knockout <hes> she fought rock l. Actually she's got you know she's <hes> i think what makes i always say styles. Make different fights tania's and her are tall long arms long reach so it's gonna be a different game than a lot of the fights are they're used to being longer longer more rangy fighter and now they're facing each other so i think that they're both coming with some convents binghaman's coming with a little more more confidence. I mean she's been on a very big winning streak. <hes> you know finding a lot of girls that have been right at the top and coming with winds. You know her her. She's had stoppages and everything <hes> kind of one after another after another so she's coming in. You know like yeah. I'm you got what it takes and so it's you know if you're gonna put your money on. I think he won't be putting their money on nunez but that's not to say that you can't. You can't count your may now. She's she's not straight punches. She hits pretty hard and cheeses her range while i think that fight if one of them doesn't you know why lane the hard shot and curious halbe scrambles will go. I think that's probably thank nunez. Maybe the upper end on that but we haven't seen germain's ground scrambles while either. You never know what she's been learning. Uh that will be december. Fourteenth holly home returns october fifth in australia raquel pennington rematch big fight for her. I appreciate you doing this. Holly all the best shoe good luck in training and we'll see you out there all right there. She is holly home returns to action a little less than two months time on that big u._f._c. two forty-three card all right looking forward to this next guest. We saw action two weekends ago in uruguay tremendous fight against percent. They look at one of the best of the year i i personally thought he won the fight. It was a close fight not a robbery but of course everyone was talking afterwards about his nose. Let's see how mike perry is feeling less than two weeks later. Look a mike looking tremendous mike. You look great my man. Thanks myself doing area. I'm doing great. How are you feeling ling. I'll do all right. I'll just chilling. I guess where i'll spend more time in bed or playing video games how stairs e-e-eh eh. I'll be good. I get pretty heavy. You know i got drunk once or twice. Well you look. I think one of those times was on saturday night right tweet watching a fight yes but it was very entertaining well done. How's the nose feeling. I don't know i like i guess. I shouldn't go to start taking punches. I just should i don't want anybody. You know. I can't really grasp why don't we go to the gym like rip hamilton note. I got i got an appointment tomorrow and i'm going to ask the doctor for like a clear face master. Yes and i'm gonna go to practice and and who knows maybe i'll put the head gear on over it or something. I'm going to try and get back to assume. I feel like there's a lot in my head right now that i could be learning while it's fresh after fight everything like just i went to given the day i was watching the fires. Are it's like i could see everything on these different ways but i still can't. I can't judge fight. Apparently decisions are all over the place. I guess when fights are close a lot of people if they a lot of different ways about the fight who wins and who doesn't so. That's the game indeed. That was a great fight. I'm wondering have you watched it. <hes> my fight. Yes yes and you think you want right yeah but i get it you know he ah i put thirteen and a half minutes hours. Piecing and hughes <unk> tigard and washouts were getting through sometimes but he he was able to take them well and he just kind of didn't do as much as i did like. I did a lot and he i could iran a lot more. I could've gotten out of conflict a lot more like he never brought the conflict to be. He never went hearse and i went. I i in <unk> finished last a lot. Sometimes he retouched me. Oh maybe once on the way i use it to close the gap in three or four times and then he touching one more time on the way out and <hes> you lot of ineffectiveness and then the the fucking need just look like a little fair like the front row. It didn't look like anything in my nose just got hit. The right angle often are held onto our take nine or i guess i see a bad habit there. When people throw their lower body tuck my chin so they can't the head goes with my body on neck. Snap szeswith knocks people out so i get i i gotta work on that and i gotta work on take out some more or you know get a good take downs like like slam them on their head and they're working instagram composition because that's a sport i see myself evolved quite a bit evolved more than me right. So i kinda walsum power on my striking. I felt like or lucarelli takeaway for luke. He's just was tough as hell big and he could take shots in a tight guard. He tucked his chin a lot too so you know maybe i needed to throw more wet. Noodles like hobe sound something you know i i guess when when he hit you with that knee you remember what it felt like like you. Do you remember your nose breaking and what that felt like like didn't really feel like anything at that moment. I knew i knew he calls since damage. I knew in got caught. The lega like damn like you don't really feel it then later and then it ain't even really he later later i felt the pain from them whatever they did in the back sticking medal on those craig in my face as around trying to get a nose back in place you know i felt that later that gave me headaches and i'm like oh my god. I thought you know the recent destined destined boxing outside. Ham is my brain bleeding is like i mean those really thought i was talking with my boy alex disbarring. We were both talking about that. He's had his jaw <unk> before. I thought i was going to die in the hospital. I was an outbreak speak english. They was just telling me all this stuff in spanish about whether they were gonna do danielle was there believable. They can understand the spanish so well they. She had four doctors talking her while she gets little words out. <unk> irony figured i knew what they were <hes> do but when you think surgery all manner they might cut my face open. The pieces back together like operation ration- does not believe they just showed some guys at my nose and straighten it out and here. I am now there you are. How many times have you been been shown that photo of you looked at that photo of startling. It's there are no. I mean this one startling that one yeah now just pissed. I fight thirteen minutes. It's great and what did i do. I feel like if you had to do anything. I get lazy at the end. I feel like maybe i did get lazy or it was just a bad habit because it wasn't a hard shot. It was just a shot that got it and that's my nose is like it. It was other worldly. It was like there were other parts being played. You know maybe that's just how i like to think of it is i can't make an excuse excuse for it and i can't find an excuse for and there is no excuse anyways is just back to the drawing board like always is why the hell did not win this one. I thought i was gonna win. No matter how it fell out site i was like dude up me and i stuck in moving. I i felt like i was almost fluid out there flu and then flew out of toughness. Take a shot though i showed that to and they didn't give you take ignite doesn't none of that matters data. Call me like you know it's not about the judges think sometimes it's tour so the whole world commenting saying at saying that they thought that i wanted to fight the same with my head feeling like that today banged my nose around i was like i feel like we're right so i guess i can see why they give it to that guy. That guy was taking pictures after the fight would high have built less pain had they said i was what i forgot. All this attention that i'm getting if they said that i was the winner or would it have gone the other way like oh. They stole from u._k. It's more so people say maybe draw a might one and you know but there's a few people that are like they gave it to him because the nose because the damage has been fighting this through history so you know i've just got to who either bladder. I can't make excuses. What about that guillotine. That was incredible just to watch like all the blood pouring out. How difficult was it to survive that and did the blood would help you survive. It didn't help me survive the blood he is he tighter. He wasn't tight really really held onto my head. I knew my face was hurt right so i stayed in the guillotine because i was in there and i was like he can't hit my face only on in my head so i just tightened down net and was like he's never gonna choke me but then i had to spit a bunch of blood out so i can breathe in i went to was drinking. Blood saw spitting out. I that's why there was so much right down my throat out my mouth now. Breathe him on knows too. I just tried to calm down for again. You know control. My heart rate spent a blow out. Get some sips of aaron and then when i went to fight the hands i didn't wanna just bush my face up against him because my nose hurts. I don't wanna hurt my nose on his body his arms or anything like that so i just waited good time to blow it out. Lead a couple of shots on top <unk> nothing too crazy <unk> and there was only seconds. I knew the power about the ring of i didn't see a point and then you know i hear things like people judge a fight based on how they think the future your mind. Oh oh is there was a fourth round. It wasn't a foreground fight. It wasn't it was a three round fight you. You can't judge on the future. I don't know what's going to happen. I come out. I don't switch to. I was this close to <music> split his face open the way he did mind. He got his knee in their little bit. Ernie reach llanos it puts it to the side knows i come out. I four the second to the fourth round. If you want to guess if you wanna have ideas about a future might go if it's not positive direction. Hey what's the point of taking the shot as they try to make it sound like it was better than fire got knocked out all year right well by the way what's what's wrong with your. I is there blood along with. Those area is okay. Okay is just what happens when you take a couple shot. Okay just curious august. No no. I'm just i didn't want to offend one thing that you did mention that. I think create a lot of headlines. You talked about your finances. Finance is afterwards how you got broken nose but you don't have any money where you being serious about that. I got but it's never enough. Go buy orlean dollar yacht right now. I would like to go smoke a blunt on a yacht according to a lot of friends but i can't do that right now. Maybe maybe i could get ran a pontoon boat and ride around in a florida rivers but it ain't right music just as good on a pontoon soon as it is on a yacht among go do that garad pontoon <unk>. We'll play some video games downstairs saying my idea. I need you know i want my job right before the fight. I wanted to take a break so bad. I don't know if that's the way you know oh hourly like leaving home. Nowadays i like home is like my best life. That's where i live my life that i just relaxed children. The cows i play video games watch movies talk shit tamang girl and eat food a lot of food trait. Whatever i wanna drink smoke whenever i wanna smoke despite time we've got all these sacrifices may wanna do this more but then as soon as i need to eat and again i'm dan u._f._c. Come tampa if they come into south florida and they give me the opportunity making one hundred grand dump on that obviously that was the thought the day before my nose rearranged right but talking to sean shoghi walking spot boy. Will maybe get more what i wanted. Was i wanna go to the fight and watch. The show also went through on his show to me. Santiago ponds and debut on moscow always their aid said. I get to watch a a good fight last night. Not of last night to night to probably take would your will so you know i just want to it'll be a fan for a second and it's weird how life is needs to sit down right now because of animal might acting like on one and get up and go work but as soon as i got to go up and go to the gym our do this why sign your tweets you were talking about nate d as is that like a dream fight for you to fight him one day so he's respectful martial artists and he respects the game and you get coming into the game you kinda lucite <hes> well. Maybe i did i can't speak for everybody and i know i see a few guys did as they come in and you know get no respect there like luna's game. I gotta take my respected. They're trying to let people know saying things like i used to say or like dodged. The phone attendants shaped like bunch a bunch of weird fight being asked to go buy it and keep it at the same time when you get to the top and you got a guy like look for sunday can take your shots and stand there and he keeps trying. He keeps trying no matter how much i hear them. I try to point away fifteen minutes clean. He and he just kept trying to push a little further at the end got his shot up to land in. It did the damage he was looking for four. I couldn't say he can do that again. Nine out of ten times. I'm gonna is gonna be a different result so you know it's just the sport. I like what you said earlier you text me. It was <hes> technically above wins and losses right now in the sport beating people. Just wanna watch me five but i'm trying to win. I know are just a complement to your to gotta. Get back to work. That's just a complement to your your place in the sport. I know you're trying to win. I know you're not trying to lose fights. I was just trying to give you a common. There are some fighter's. I think that will always be beloved love despite wins and losses as long as they keep giving effort. I think you're one. I think he has is one. I think this is one. I think serena's one like there's some guys you know. They're on the card. You know it's gonna be fun and i feel like you've. You've reached that status so that's all i would say in a perfect world. I know you were talking about six weeks and all that you need to take some time off right like six. Months is probably too too much okay yeah. That was my first thought whoever i talked to on the phone it was my manager. I told him to the hospital. I'm like omar god. My headache is ridiculous right now houses from punches i wasn't thinking because they just banged around on my face. They probably have hammers and they were smacking my face with a hammer and metal chisel to put my nose back complete. I feel that when i wake up two days i'm like oh my god i gotta be office six months no bones heal and harding and six weeks and and that's like out of physical physical therapy time so if i just i'm gonna do some push-ups through some said on't try to die like a maintain a diet but so that i can have cheat days are want. They're very enjoyable when you've been trying to stay healthy and not get too fat outta shape charter. Stay ready to get ready because this is. My life rose what i do if i'm my face was the last thing that i really love on this. Fucking <unk> broke my nose and i thought i was on look. I do look little <unk> but you know it is what it is and if this is the life that i sat down and chose between being him <hes> then this is the lie that i chose arcata view bad shit like those breaking and deal with it the best way i can't buy steady eh game maintaining and trade in and getting better every day that i can and trying to get back and and get more money into rain. I'm enjoying the time in the ring so much these days. I thought i was fifteen. Minutes just beat him muscle fifteen bro and the next minute have changed but like still i thought i won the fight because thirteen five minutes of is out of who are moving him. You know i know people want to stand in the middle and slug it out with him but the old reminded got it done that you know maybe he goes different but i don't think so. I just thought the move and i'm just gonna stick with that. Mccabe devolving. I keep saying the same shit over and on. I guess it's the subject right. Now is like how bad shit wet on me at howard at a comeback from et. It is on the comeback it will be. I know damn dirty. I know you know damn and even shit. I can't be dirty and are you talking about me and rony they in the same sentences should the type of fighters that our love to give give their all and put everything into and i just die here. Those guys had been here for fifteen years. You talking about you. Go go ahead so. I just got to stay here now and i'm gonna have my time. There's no way i don't i just get a better view these coaches that'd it'd be like my mom. Julia louis only down speaking of coach our team really fresh fighting on data tennessee reese tomorrow all right mike well. You're the man i love the fire. I love the fire. It's so good to see you back. In good spirits you will be back. I appreciate doing this might get well soon and we'll talk soon thank you thanks for giving me a platform and you're the man mike we love you. There is the one and only mike perry joining us all all right now. Let's go to our next. Guest podge is for keeping him waiting but mike perry talks a lot the one and only the legend ba- former olympic medalists nine thousand nine hundred sixty. She wanted with a broken freaking neck. My old pal kurt angle on the show. Wow what a what a great honor. This is kurt. How are you a great area on. It says great to talk rocky again. You've done really well for yourself and i'm very proud of you. Thank you. I appreciate that greatly <hes> you. You had faith in me long before many did so. I really appreciate shit that it's nice. It's nice to talk to you after all these years. We have a lot to talk about but i i you know you're very you're very visible in the world of. I don't know if you know this but your are your your. Your impression is being felt all over the place. I have to ask first and foremost arguably the most hated person in this sport. Koby covington used your entrance song couple of weeks ago two walkout walkout. How did you feel about that. Well i before he did it. He had a friend of his contact. Me bobby lashley and bobby. He called me and said hey. There's this fighter named koby covington and i said i know is he said well. He wants to use music to come out <hes> because <hes> you know come out to <hes> who's fight and he wanted to do because he wanted to. Chant you suck so. I said he's it's all his. He man if he wants to do it you know god blesses those great. He's very polarizing. I know a little bit about the gimmick that he's doing these days days. How do you feel about that like. I said that you know vince probably wishes he could do something like this. He gets nuclear. He'd he showed up to the event on saturday and the whole place started booing him. How do you feel about him using like that in the world of mixed martial arts in the fight game. I think it's a store down. I think there's something using that nobody else has and he understands. He gets the entertainment factor. <hes> obviously you know we're talking about a real sports. I think about sport on the planet ladder <hes> but you have to have a little bit of entertainment to he has that mind for it just like conor mcgregor. Are you still watching these days as as much as you were when we were talking way back when not as much but i keep tabs i you know i got my favorite cornea suharto <hes> <hes> <hes> <hes> <hes> i love navy as i think he's awesome individual <hes> just really exciting to watch and and he's one of the toughest kids i've ever seen that octagon so <hes> you know like radically corby took my spot in the olympics after i left and <hes> we ended up wrestling in my weight class for two olympics so i was i was always following habit down the credible job the last five or six years yeah and i wanted to ask you about henry pseudo because it does feel like he's taking your gimmick as well you know he walks around with <hes> the metal and he tries to be like the olympic hero the american hero but he gets everyone to boom these days in column crunchy and all that have you seen what he's doing and you see parallels between what he's doing and what you did when you first started to get over around twenty years ago yeah i think i i think i'm not. I don't think he did it because of me <hes> whether he did or not i really don't know but you're right. You know he gets it and <hes> <hes> it gets reaction and that's what's most important you know. The last thing you want to do is not saying anything either one of the cheer here for you you want them to believe because they care about you one way or the other but if you walk out there and you hear crickets you're not doing something you're doing something wrong or you're not doing something right so driving henry he he gets it to he's using the gimmick and i love it. You're on today to help us. Promote the king of the ring which starts and i have to be honest. I thought the king of the ring was dead but it has been revitalized and it kicks off tonight on u._s._a. Network beginning at eight p._m. Eastern is it the same format format like i remember when you wanted kurt around nineteen or so years ago. Is it the same kind of format or have. They changed it it was i think eight minutes format back then now now. It's sixteen <hes> live. You know keep in mind. The band were at the paper. You had to wrestle three times. It came to the ring. If you want it <hes> now wow they're doing tournament for about during ron smackdown leading up to the view and i think the finals we'll be at the pay view so <hes> i wrestled <hes> two years in a row russell three matches in one page view because of king of the ring so it's it was really really tough back then but they made it a little though easier at least uh wrestling every match one night. I was very happy that i had the opportunity to get your retirement match back in april. I don't know if you know that but i was lucky enough to be at wrestlemainia and and it was really cool to see and i'm wondering are you officially done or you know in combat sports and pro wrestling people say they're done a million times and they come back. Are you one hundred percent done well. You never wrestle again. You know what i don't plan on it. I i wish i could but i'm fifty years old <hes> well. I'll give are you a quick story when i when i came back w w i was really in great shape <hes> unfortunately they'll be wanted me to be effected through the whole thing. That's what they wanted so i think that i and i told vince i wasn't retired yeah and then he gave me the g._m. Job and then i still wanna wrestle and you say we'll get too well because i sat out for so long on especially in professional wrestling i could even say and you'll see <hes> you see out too long. Your the body gets a frantic you <hes> you lose that. <hes> you know that when you're inactive and just especially when you get older you start getting a lot more arthritis soreness by the time i was wrestling consistently. I wouldn't do it anymore so basically sitting out really affected me and <hes> unfortunately actually i. I didn't go that long and so now. How are you feeling. How would you describe your your health these days well. I'm i'm going to a meeting with a doctor on next month. I'm going to have a stem cell. <hes> therapy shots put my knees and they helped me. A lot of guys been i'm doing it made me. It's it's not a cheap surgery or cheap procedure but it's <hes> it's very effective so <hes> i know bio bio accelerator. They're actually talking talking to a lot of progresses. A lot of them are made fighters. I think by coleman's gonna go down <hes> it's actually in colombia and <hes> <hes> this the company is is really reputable so <hes> i'm excited about doing it and hopefully it'll work. Yeah actually a colleague of ours here the s._p._n. Gilbert melendez longtime fighter just did that and was raving about <hes> the experience down in columbia so maybe a little endorsement there for them. Would you do anything differently. Kurt thinking back on your career. You took a lot of risks. You put your body through a lot of pain in hindsight. Do you wish you did things differently yeah. I wish i would've done more maintenance. You know stretching yoga <hes> just taking care of my body. I mean clearly when i was going on all pistons i wouldn't even warm-up before it went out there. I just you know do a couple of <hes> you know twists with my you know my arms back and forth and go out there and wrestling and it had a long term effect on me. I you know you gotta take care of your body. Especially when you're an abusing it the way i did so i was okay till i turned about forty five and that have you started going downhill right away. How do you feel about the state of the business these days. It seems like it's it's very hot. It seems like there's a lot of options for the guys. Different promotions sion's doing things overseas here in america. How do you feel about the state of the business right now. I think it's as good as it's ever been as far as russia's being able to work work <hes> you know they're only some of these slots and w._w. But they even house quite a following with iran smackdown bands <hes> they're even going global where they're going to be annexed temps in each continent so they're going to need a lot more wrestlers but the independence of doing really well <hes> <hes> you know this new company a. w. <hes> new japan so there are a lot of options and that that's really good for the rest is like you know the the number one company and walsh yeah and what about your friend brock lesser. He was flirting with a return. Do you think we'll ever see him fight again or do. You think he's officially done i. I hope he does return i know he said that he's retired but i think biko one fight he wants and i don't know if it's ever gonna happen but he wants to go up against buck jones roads john jones. I think that would be an extraordinary fight. There's very different. <hes> their sizes are extremely the opposite but <hes> <hes> you know bronx the bronx free <hes> you know he you know he might not win. All his fights might not be the most pause fighter but he is. Here's <hes> an incredible athlete. I mean he he could do anything he wanted. He wanted to play football or pro baseball. He can adapt to anything. Brock is uh-huh credible athlete and wrestling him in the ring. I knew you know how great it would be truly. Is i mean this kid can play basketball. He's he's unbelievable. We've bowl. What did you think of how ron did. I was so proud of rod. I got the opportunity to train her <hes> especially for wrestlemainia and she used to make fun of me because my grabs gloves i i i'm endorsing a company called grabs <hes> which they do <hes> glossy. You don't have to take fingers and <hes> they're doing really well. In <hes> rodney re pick on me about it but she taper fingers i put on my graphs and and then i got her to put him on and she actually liked liked to rhonda is she made the transition as quickly as i did and i have to give it a lot of credit for that because i never thought she's going to be able to do it. You a lot of athletes want to step into the ring. They went to you know go at the level of kurt angle a rock or stone cold steve austin and and they find out that they just can't do it. Ronda knew how to do everything. She had a bump properly. She could sell well <hes>. She just got it. She was one girl one female <hes> stepped in seven got it right away and i it blew me away. I mean she might have learned quicker than i did and last thing for you kurt. I'm wondering if you saw the highlights of cain. Velasquez is a a pro wrestling debut lucia libra debut. Did you see him. I was blown away by how agile he was. Do you think he has a future. I do enjoy inch he. He's another guy that gets it and <hes> he he's just really athletic. I mean the things he can do. It's really impressive than i think if he could step into their square circle do extremely well. I wanna fuck one thing. I did. A movie last year called chintzy molly <hes>. It's a really funny movie. If anybody wants to go check it out at i tunes and amazon prime <hes> that'd be great. I got the play ironically a drug kingpin and a lot of very funny fungible all right. I will check that out yeah. One of the highlights of my young career back in the day was writing a little skit for you back in orlando. I remember that the way we have come a long way. Thank you so much for doing this. Kurt and i really appreciate it and good luck with everything. You're doing and hope to talk to you and see you again very soon. Okay take care all right there. He is kurt angle again the w._w._e. Twenty nineteen king of the ring tournament kicks off tonight on raw at eight p._m. Eastern on u._s._a. Network ron smackdown will feature tournament matches weekly tonight through september tenth with the finals at clash of champions on sunday day september fifteenth. I i don't know if i've shared the story but in my younger days i met kurt angle because i was working for spike tv and we had had we had an opportunity to do some stuff for t._n._a. He was wrestling for a i wrote a skit for for spike tv v dot com and we did it at the universal lot and i really got to know kurd very well and i actually drove him from the hotel to the lie. We spent a lot of time together together. You told me that i reminded him of brian goertz. Who's a longtime w._b. Writer now i think he works for the rock. Exclusively who also went to syracuse and kirk couldn't have been nicer to me and even tried to get me a job as a creative team. Member had a brief conversation sation with jeff jarrett at the time didn't work out kurt was actually the one who told me about chris benoit and that horrible tragedy. We're actually really close. He was telling me about in the n._f._l. Came to him and tried to get him to sign their the ultimate fighter. There was a period where we were very close over time we sort sort of drifted apart but kurt was very kind to me early on and when i started my career as a journalist and i launched jerry park dot com october of two thousand seven my very first interview was with kurt angle october of two thousand seven dave meltzer wrote about me like an hour and a half he had just gotten in a bit of hot water and spoke about that and was was always just you know salt of the earth kind of guy always very kind to me and it was nice to catch up with him all these years laters nice to reunite and i appreciate our friend michael once-over for hooking me up with this in honor of kobe covington. Did you see the heat that koby covington got on saturday walking into the honda center incredible and it sounds like he's gonna keep that theme music as i dropped my kurt angle toy here. I'm going to put it like this so that was fun thanks to w._w._e. Reef hooking us up with kurt angle and his thoughts on a few things before we get to our next guest. Let me tell you about my good friends over at light stream credit card bills you know them. You hate them every month you you get them with multiple payments multiple dates. Wouldn't it be easier as you look at the king of the ring bracket. Wow well done corporate. Jake look at you. You got it all. What does it be easier to have just one payment at a lower rate and then we get rosenberg on your break it down. How about that that gebran. I love rosenberg. He's reading his torah reading on the show. 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M. dot com slash area subject to credit approval rate includes a point five percent auto pay discount terms and conditions apply and offers are subject to change without notice again visit light stream dot com slash area for more information support them because this let me look at this bracket here my pick my pick certainly not that gebran kevin owens. My pick is going to be ricochet. That's my pick ricochet ricochet versus shelton benjamin. He's still around dang okay. Maybe cochet ricky sheriff's mojo. That's my all right all right okay now. Let's move along to our next guest so big news. Perhaps unexpected news last week stephens through his back and you were called back in february. He took his gloves off. Put them in the middle of the cage never actually said the r. word but it sounded like maybe he was leaning inning towards retirement in the end. He has not retired. He's back december seventh against ben rothwell in washington. Let's talk to him about that right now right here on the program there is stephan. It's true stephan. How are you what's up. I'm really good man. How are you. I'm doing great. Thank you for doing this and apologies for changing the time on you so many times. I appreciate you being so flexible. People thank you very much. I really just got back from training so it all works out. Okay great so welcome back. And why did you decide to do this and not officially retire you know as i said when i made the announcement i wasn't arms-length syria. I am looking back in time to think about things because i didn't really have lots of you. Took some time off to think about everything rest my body and my mind and <hes> yeah i was. I was burned out. I think <hes> back in february i <hes> went to <hes> a a difficult <hes> you know heart stretch of fights with three losses and then <hes> the temporary didn't start very well either. Luckily i was able to change that around but <hes> so i <hes> three losses in a row really had to <hes> <hes> you know push you a hurdle mentally in february and then there were a lot of injuries too at do hand surgeries his shoulder surgery <hes>. I thought we'd broken ribs. I blow back for <hes> for one five during five weeks. <hes> it just wasn't fun anymore and i put so much work and time in my career because i moved to florida not really making laws like the first couple of years with awesome and then <hes> you know when you put so much work and then you don't get the results back <hes>. It's really <hes> you know. It's <hes> you know. It doesn't give you what you want out of it so i was. I was happy with that. Winner is really needed some time off and do <hes>. Do you think about everything but i the time off did me in very well and <hes> professional mice clear and ready to going how how close are you to going the opposite direction just saying i'm done. I was john wooden february okay for a while. I really thought i was on people would ask me. Are you gonna fight again at that. Point was no. I really didn't feel like fighting. Point really needs time off into <hes>. Really you know understand how much i like doing one is too and how passionate about doing this and really isn't <hes> another thing right now that i i would rather do and that i'm dispassionate about so <hes> yeah. I really enjoy doing days getting ready for the fighting. You know getting getting my handwriting. Knocking acting really is one of the biggest honors is for me. It really is the ultimate thrill to to win a fight and <hes> did she do all this so i'm still the very young and <hes> i felt like if i would walk away i would regret it and <hes> that's something i really don't wanna do so. I feel good and <hes> <hes> really enjoying training again. I'm i'm very fit already and i'm looking forward to december. When did you start to turn the corner and did something help you turn in the corner like did you have an epiphany. Did you talk to someone or watch something that made you think i can't be done now. I just needed time off. You know to to over think everything and then talk ought to everybody around me. That's normal important to me and they all said you know we can say whatever you want. You know the skill set you have <hes> we. We know that you know the the losses in your last a couple of fights. I could've gone the other way too. You're you're really good fighter. If you are mentally there then you you. Can you know you're one of the best in his game. So <hes> is related really is up to you. If you wanna do it and when i said i really needed some time off i didn't do much much <hes> and then after a while you got <hes> annoyed with myself and <hes> annoyed with training outta goal. I really need that goal during my training sessions who really have fun with this and <hes> yeah just getting what i say getting ready for the fight and doing all that and fighting my way up to the level where i'm at and <hes> it's just too much fun for me to walk away from it right now and did you check out the heart. Everything okay there because i saw a lot of comments comments about that. People could turn everything okay yeah. Everything's good you know. All my checkups are good. He's been stable <hes> ever since i found it <hes> i'm back in two thousand thirteen. <hes> you know improved a lot at first and then since then it's been it's been very stable. I yeah i really know how the dad <hes> you know that good to say so what what do not do so <hes> and if if there would be any concern from the doctor's island i wouldn't be doing this. If i any concern that it would be yeah it would have been doing this then. I wouldn't be doing and to the best of my knowledge. Your contract was up with that last fight correct yeah so that that really helped 'cause. I was really able to get away from everything. I had no contract. <hes> you know nobody reached out for a you. Wanna get ready for a fight fight. I ready for a fight or whatever you know. I had nothing so that was really really good to be away from everything for a little bit and then then after a while. I really got to drive back. You really start to feel that. I wanted to do it again. So did you talk to any other organizations like were you free to anyone. Yeah i know the contract signed up for the first couple of months u._c.'s exclusive and we we had some interest but you know i just feel really good with the a._f._c. <hes> i've been with them for ten years. They always treated with me. Well <hes> <hes> they gave me a good new deal with that too and i'm just excited to continue my career with your see. And what about this matchup against rothwell. Did you like it yeah. It was <hes> it was the first guy they offered and i. I slept the night on. It and i really like the match up. I think it's really good match up. <hes> it's gonna be fun them really. I think it really is gonna come down to once more at night. I know you've been asked about this before but since it happened again on saturday like when you see steep a winning the belt considering other than d._c. You're the guy to beat them. Stop him in the a._f._c. What does that what does that like for you. What does that do for you inside. You know it will always be fun. You know i have a win over someone like that. Who who spent much best in this soon you'll see right now but on the other hand you know i i got one win. If i would be on winning streak it would be totally different because you know i really do believe that he wanted five back to but we're not always so far away yeah. It's only fun fact you know i'm only focused on <hes> on fighting bomb in december and nothing else should be important for me anyway until that point so and not not trying to get ahead of ourselves here but i do see us like i'm sure you've thought as well all you have to do is win like two three in a row while he's champion and that's a very easy fight to promote right. It's it's the story line is perfect especially after all i went through my career and then come back and challenged him. That'd be awesome in be one alabama oliver match up <hes> but i believe he's gonna fight our friends in gotten next. I think that's the most logical matchup right now and ghani was is a very hard fights or anybody with <hes> you know with his guys speaking nature in the best way of word. So how many times have you watched that fight and wins the last time you watched it my payment yeah i see i see highlights coming by especially when he fights right yeah meeting and all that stuff's associate coming by but <hes> i don't know man i watch if i while <hes> can remember honestly when when i'm watching it probably probably and my last <hes> my last camp i tried to watch fights and know things that i should do them do so since considering retirement. You're only thirty one like if you would have stopped. What do you think you would have done. That's that's another one right because there is not an right now that really unless passionate about as many that really i wake up at night and already right now. I don't think in about the nassar what i need to do and how i'm going to get ready and what we need to improve on trading. We asked to call this training <unk>. Who are gonna you know involved in the training camp. If you have that when you wake up at night <hes> even before you know getting despite and getting the contact. I out straining feeling wake up night night. I'd have questions like that. You know and my opinion if you if you have if you if you have the kind of passion to walk away from something that one <hes> <hes> and you know for like i see the comments especially in the game someone retires or thinks about retiring comes back. I'm i'm starting to sense it now with gusts of sin as well especially when you're you're young when you're on the other side of thirty five not towards forty but towards thirty everyone everyone expects of course you're going to come back. Why now that you've gone through that. Why is it so hard for fighters to say goodbye. Yeah you know you start art. Something especially guys we start so young and you you build yourself up to <hes> to a point where you are. You know doing very aiglon sport. He's been in the top division for sometimes you hate this training leaker training day and <hes> i'm not hitting the thing <hes> but sometimes you have a day where everything works out and you go home and that's when you know when you know how much up this is the the feeling side weak and feeling walk into the aachen. Sometimes you aid yourself putting yourself there but you know it's also you know for us. It's the ultimate the thrill and then get your hand race. It's everything together. It's just yeah. There's there's very few things in this world that made me feel and i hate hey. Hey feeling scared. Put al though it's very odd you step away from something like that and <hes> for me and some guys wait for a couple of years but <hes> in my opinion waiting couple years when do me any favors taking more time off <hes> yeah. I got that feeling that when i just explain that i still i i still got this. I can still do this and that's why i made that. Susan and i think it. I don't know what everybody's different right. I just hope okay for a guy like gossiping that you really find something that he's national about. Is this or that refined s- passion 'cause he's admitting fighter. Welcome well welcome back. Stephan congrats on the new deal good to have you back looking forward to return december seventh in washington against ben rothwell. Thank you for doing this all right. There is the skyscraper the tallest fighter in u._f._c. history six eleven and a half returns to action after flirting with retirement great photo of him putting down his gloves after his win back in february but he has decided against it and has gotten a new contract as well didn't really test waters as he said and now he's back and you know who else is back nate d. s. He's back what return on saturday some thoughts eight years. That was just unbelievable. I mean for a guy to come back after a three-year layoff and to seem as popular like the fans did not forget. I didn't think they were gonna forget but he was the star of the week i mean i don't know if you were watching e._s._p._n. On on saturday but the bottom line where they feature a fight it was d._s. Pettus us that had become the main event as far as the public was concerned all the the numbers everything was trending in their direction and even not showing up to mediate so that becomes a story showing up with the joint that becomes a story everything that this man does and you sit back. I like oh. He's not educated. He's not smart. No he's actually one of if not the smartest and he says things like like you hear him talk about why he's calling muslim. You're like yeah that makes sense. I get it. I understand dan what he's talking about wants to fight for the baddest m._f._a. Title out there i mean only nate and nick can get away with this sort of thing and we've talked about how twenty nine thousand nine maybe there haven't been the deepest cards and you have sees always searching for a superstar to have him come back after that lay off and have them play in a fight against someone not named conor mcgregor and to come across the way in which he did to have the gate break the california eh may record which is just absolutely absurd heard considering all the great events that have happened in that state over the years over the past twenty or so years is a testament to everything that he's done everything. He has stood for everything. The he said was going to come to fruition when people were laughing at him when he was calling himself the best the c._e._o. Show up like that because i was worried. I thought maybe the like cakes. I thought all right are we going to see the r._d._a. Nate diaz or are we going to see the michael johnson eighty s we saw the michael johnson eight years and maybe even better than that nate years. I thought he wants to be around to none. I thought he looked phenomenal and i told you in my column on e._s._p._n. Dot com and i also told you on this show and air on the bad guy he's looking at mazal and what's the first thing that comes out of his mouth or the second mas vidal he respects mas with all he knows mazdas hot. He knows that's a fight that the people want. He knows that's a fight that gets paid and he made his message very clear. He said it or hey maswadeh. That's who i want and you could see the look on my face. That's that's who he wants as well look at that smile he was thrilled. He said yes. I'm in we'll worry about. The title shot later. We'll worry about leeann edwards. No i'm i am in on this one and this is a much-needed jolt for the u._f._c. to have him back. I mean this is a gigantic fight. I was on the dan. Le batard show earlier today. They didn't ask me a single question about cormie for me. Amiach not a single question about john jones or anything like that all the questions were about as we're about horia mas but i know they're a florida based miami based show and mas big there these days but that just speaks to how big of a deal they ideas celebrities love him fans love him fighters offers love him and it was just he has that superstar aura to him now he really does and you know there had been some rumblings that that nick his brother nick the great nick and nate weren't on the best of terms. These days weren't as you know weren't as close as i love the fact that in almost every interview every we soundbite nate diaz had last week he was always shouting out the nikki as army even in the cage. He mentioned his brother. I thought that that was beautiful full and that photo that emerging when's the last time you saw them together. In a photo there was a photo posted right before he went to the arena with chrissy and the rest of the team. There's nick there's nate and i posted this on saturday that excerpt from when i spoke to nick almost five years ago when he got suspended by nevada for marijuana saying that <hes> you know he has to figure out a way to save his brother he got him in this mess and now have to figure out a way to get him out of it and i hope once again that nick is proud of his brother because i always know oh that he had felt weird about getting his brother in the fight game and somewhat guilty for that and now look what he's become. He's become a million dollar plus fighter later. He's become a true prizefighter above belts. I mean a real draw in his own right and the truth is amazingly. He has surpassed past his brother. In terms of stardom like at his peak. Nick was never this popular and that's no knock on nick. Unfortunately he was fighting in smaller organizations. He didn't have the attention and strikeforce left the u._f._c. All that and more to the hardcore is absolute legend though will never be another but in terms of mainstream popularity native data surpass them and that's thanks in large part to the connor fights but now he doesn't want conor he has found someone else and how about put nate and mazda kind of boxing out connor. I think is an interesting development. Connor did not have a good week last week. Clearly you saw the video oh allegedly punching an older man in a bar. We heard about the story back in april. Now we saw the footage and it's hard to stomach that footage and it's hard to defend that footage and now you're starting to see see fighters who he thought were tied to him thought were tied to his you know his presence and his success now just kind of coming out and being content with moving on and you're starting to feel like every time i see like when we ask about him and you have to acknowledge him. The fans are kind of rolling their eyes and i know that's kind of the way it is on the internet. I know that's the way the france can be but you're starting to see fans. Kinda come to terms with the fact that maybe he's not coming back. I think he is i think he will fight. I think by this time next year he will have fought at least once. I think he recognizes that for his brand and for his popularity in for everything else that he's trying to accomplish outside out of the cage he does have to right the ship. He does have to come back. He has to back in the good graces of the people like. I don't think he's sitting back and say how do people like me. How do i get them to like me again but i think he needs to start feeling some success enjoying some success. He has not won a fight since august twentieth almost exactly no excuse me since november of two thousand sixteen so in in november of this year will be three years. Tomorrow's the anniversary of his win over an atheist yes in what was one of the craziest five and a half months in u._f._c. History might be in v. craziest and <hes>. We did a little fun thing about that on the t._v. Show that airs tomorrow on either e._s._p._n. E._s._p._n. news. I'm not sure which one but now you're starting to see guys just kind of make their own call money fights without him and move on with them and at this point i thought needed to them i don't. I don't know if we necessarily need them right now. I still think nate versus connor is probably the biggest fight that you have put on i think d._c. Jones three is maybe number two but like nate verses mazda. I was going to do very well now. They figured out well. They pay them what they want. You heard what nate said like. I'll come back soon. I'm ready to go. You know mazarin. I'll keeps talking about payment. Will they figure this out. Will they get those guys what they want. That's going to be the big question. We already know like look how easy this is. When's the last time an a._t._s. fight. Was this easy to make. We already know we know who he wants like he could not have been more clear in fact. I was a little surprised that he was that clear about what he wanted next. He wants him hospital. That's the only guy he talked about aren't even think he entertained entertained connor questions on saturday. I don't even know if he said connor's name on saturday certainly didn't say colby covington's name. That's a that's a pretty funny any clip. That's been passed around but we know what he wants and we clearly know that. Mazda del wants that unfortunately i'm being told holden mazdas feeling under the weather. We're still trying. We're still trying to get him but right now. We don't have him just yet. Unfortunately unfortunately we may have to not talk to them today but his managers trying and i appreciate him try but it sounds like he's very sick and in bed and obviously don't want to bother mm-hmm. I spoke to him briefly yesterday. He wants that fight. Trust me on this. He wants that fight and so we'll see what happens if they're able to figure it out corporate. Jacobs has posted the statement. Is that accurate. I'm not seeing this not exactly perusing the internet right now. Can i see the statement. I'll read it for the first time oh my i don't have my glasses on. Let me see if i could pull this up. Keep it up there and i'll see marie the sustained and from dana cormie that was apparently posted moments ago. It's been a couple of days and i can't stress disappointment. I'm so sorry to all. I have let down onto my wife and kids. I'm so sorry you guys had to experience that. I never wanted y'all to see that and the hurt you guys showed breaks my heart every time i think about it my coaches i am. I'm sorry i appreciate the work in time. You've spent with me my fans. Thank you guys for the love and support you have guided me to all these amazing accomplishments steep khachigian his team congratulations on a tremendous victory. You showed so much heart and grit you read the definition of cleveland tough dana white and all at the u._f._c. Thank you for for everything. You've done for me and my family. This has been the most amazing journey will decide what i'm going to do now and as soon as i decide you all know right away i love you all they have it from dana cormie and that was posted twenty three minutes ago and so as you see there you know as as i said at the top this is a man who doesn't take the feet well and i don't mean that like as a sore loser clearly very gracious loser and appro <hes> giving props to stay but he will take some time and i'm happy taking time and he's not doing this emotional happy taking time to sit back. He doesn't have to rush and we'll see what happens as far as than your corneas futures concerned for now though let's move logged our next guest say hello to a man who had a massive win on saturday against you romero kind enough to join us is shia polo kosta via the skype machine paulo my friend ben. How're you a ah y'all i need. Thank you very much here with you and you fan. All you'll watch. I see my role. Yes and thank you too. Captain eric who i think's sprinted over there to perhaps wake you up and do you this so i appreciate both of you very much on this monday. Congratulations on the win. Paulo was very brutal fight. How are you feeling a couple of days later as a <hes> wild by a few happy because i i did get my my. I beat your manager. Ryobi's maybe the most <hes> over the most dangerous of the word for lots what's people he beat and that's something i show it to everybody out there will that i am i can be the ship and be the real beast and i have more dangerous then he <hes> have semi dress my body <hes> i i. I'm ankle. I'm i did very hard keeps on his body and that he's had and <hes> i remember who look up to hold say one nine one when he fought <unk> against her married. He's looked like <hes> i oh man you know i i he. He is with my sheen. We've all my father and my uncle was almost broke. The need to to make <hes> to see. Is that the hardest that you've ever been and what happened these energy us about a year but not on the fight broke in my ear. Oh on the five and i received some is a free. Oh my and i love the last time has a feeling does it hurt. Look demands. Go awhile stitching but we'll be fine okay. Have you ever been hit that hard before and your career in your life the man no it's very hard. It's a very strange on his functions. Oranges and i also believe that was the first time that you went the distance right the full fifty minutes. What was is that like for you. How did you feel afterwards. You feel very tired very i control my guess control my not <hes> who are on their first round second around but when i i feel more tired as the ball to who was more energy oh <hes> i try make the violence if my image in his take enough you very tired and so i know there was some bad feelings towards you know romero between both view now. Do you feel like it's over between two like. Are you okay now. No hard feelings anymore. That's versus gracious. He's a nice guy but he kind of fide his. I five is really dirty. Hey how that because look at him okay in their foot and i make who on his gene and he's dow and he out and he up and i say man i love hung out in the first half because if you might my brush my first but and i hunt he doggone close to knocking out why something on the anywhere i go. Oh yeah like look at bo and i lose micro situation because you want. There's something maybe mount all. I'm not the guy i was trying five three and he wants something like the mouthpiece made the how i've seen man man happy something happy so i was situation mush my face in but he he <hes> my space and hit my neck and i lost my balance and i fall so this one fee the central thing my knee. My knee not not hit his oh my ninety he his stomach and he said oh my mom saying tom job to bed and they're being stopped up so maybe i don't know him. Maybe he's a nice guy. I start what he's gonna. Fight is not not <hes> aw yeah. I understand what you're saying and he is. He's been accused of that in the past so it's interesting to hear you talk about this now. I i saw video from coach. Captain eric that the great arnold schwarzenegger was sitting cage side and you have this amazing moment where he's he's sitting. There and i think we actually have the video right over here. Do we have this corporate. Jake look at this video in case. You missed it y'all d._c. The rest of the we'll see crew and you'll see fans that have problems pronunciation and translating paulo and ricky cost nickname. They call me the eraser join hands. I raise you. He named himself after theorized sir so there's arnold schwarzenegger with you incredible moment what what did you say to arnold when you're leaning over the fence and i'm a kaleo fan big fun of and this guy won one day on on he's he's house. Today's a one day before that that you showing <hes> hogan oh yeah to my english watch the english overseas <hes> without <hes> subscribe and he say hey paulo you need to this movie de razor and i watched with he and i love that movie old mode but they would if arnold schwarzenegger and because my name me eraser or rubber is the staple has she <unk> rubber older our new raise it so you say now unique name your own english will be raised because the rubbish rubbish you don't wanna be yes take a little rubber yes and and if i showed you liz years there is a big big john and my name thrown view comfortable. You'll so <hes> <hes> thank you for for for bahir and evaluate gentlemen that he's the happening while to on on my hands the very very nice guy incredible and so he was caged is next eddie signing him up really the main villain. I you look like you should be movies. I mean look at your face such beautiful face. Why would you wanna get beaten up like that. I mean look at that. Oh my heart is these yeah. Why would you do this. You'll be a model or something. You should be a model not a fighter man a contract loophole again talk about yes. I think it's coming. I think it's coming but next for you you're going to australia. You're going to be there front row to watch whitaker ouda sonya. That's what you want yeah l. One that you watch on. I my next appointment on the first slide what you'd be there to grandeur. I don't know who we actually the first to find a way. I think you need but i want to and i think what you decide you. <hes> uh i will be there. I would say i hear you eat you. Figure it out because i are you hoping out of sonya wins because he said a lot of things about you. Even after your fight he tweeted a picture of gaz in a dinosaur. I don't know if you saw that that. I think maybe take a shot at your your reach or something like. Are you hoping you win so that you can fight this guy because there's an issue there between you and him. You believe i would say i'm rooting rooting running this way this five man i i i definitely will raise him chance events team he tall but not heavy chain not have confidence. I remember i saw aw i guess anderson. Silva and an issue woods is back in the cage with expectedly see. I'm on a one out of three fictional. It is big shampoo and not believe that that he's a true champ so and i've ever have wrestling. I proved that i can't face highly of arrested that you know america. Try would be out for the first time he's dry. I'm scramble him and he is he say oh my god i thou- easy and eric make a very very good online congenial on phoenix and against fighting hi don on e. hours of this five in five. Ish that face the dow's would how i i don't. I don't see something somebody dow yet but i can't believe these <unk>. I'm a very good balbo. Shot went fishing show and this is. I hope you want if you want your. I think he's he in one way drew also. Why do you think he's afraid. You said you feel like he's afraid. Why do you feel that way because <hes> his show a big coffee dance you when you when you're out let's she when when you avoid some things some things is because you'll not feel real days <hes> yourself else episode meanchey food down at dow. They don't show the truth of this like mcgregor for example aggressively vegas this guy and everybody that but they <unk> out but the sonya is. He's a big for this. He's try uprise something. That is not okay. Wow i want to see that fight very much. I wanna see you versus. I decided not disrespecting being would occur even if it's not for the belt. I feel like we need to see this fight. You've versus israel. I ju i'm i. I try to make this this fight. I always left his face. He's us no i will inside gauge okay strong words and how about captain eric eric is the coach of the year or what has. He finally proved his point. Is he the man i'm waiting to read the show the the joke right now why wait 'til sever well. Let's how about this. Let's go back to january. This is what you said in january of this past year roll the tape twenty nineteen. We're gonna we're gonna break the mold. We're coming from at all you know. How do we about to be t._j. On their nineteen he's above the skinless snakes. We got portrays. Who's gonna continue his featherweight rain. Patricia pit bulls going to be the <hes> flyweight king. I mean yeah lightweight king and you kazakina twin nineteen could be another breakout year for him. Maybe he gets that title that will we we get up to four titles across the board so that's my plan and really not just give the credit to the fighters. I want the team of the year as long as they're producing and that's what i'm about. I'm dan. I'm listen you do all that twenty. One thousand nine is in the bag for you man. I mean i might as well just put. I'll put the trophy right over here. I'll just put your name right on the bad boy. If you do own that you have my word you win in it then i mean he's killing it right the guy's killing ah he's killing it. Well done captain eric. You a great coach. There and you guys are doing very well and paulo. I know you've come my friend. From emma. May fighting dot com dilemma. Emma kruse wrote a great feature on you. I know you've come from very little and you know you were shy and you just had to overcome a lot to see you now undefeated on the cusp <hes> right about the fight for a title this must be unbelievable for you and your family right from a small town in brazil undefeated. It's incredible right guys that you coach a. He can't <hes> <hes> for us buyers a lot. Confidence and shark died in okay. You don't need a cure yourself training a lot during eastwind very smart he knows how training us very smart and a focus and one goat like up lead vocals and there since you stuck it out and keep on extending up to knock out and i almost almost <hes> i was the <hes> <hes> i think the difference though after awhile he's <hes> he's is he very smart mark and he had a lot <hes> knowledge about how arias of the mate is he in know about <unk> about boxing's you'd sue to mix the the deck niks after shoes capacity and to accommodate the the best rings on each rider you you look and he's he looks for my my point and not my negative point so you said you for his that i see on when he's the best course of the year for sure well congratulations to you. Both what a great night for you. What a great year for you. Captain eric you continue to enjoy a lot of success and saturday night was no different huge win for paolo kosta. We'll see you <music> out there and australia. Thank you for doing this. Follow appreciate it very much and put up ends. Enjoy the victory got do i you down in melbourne and i maybe all right. We'll see you there the eraser shinya nya great victory for him and a couple of things of note look at the english remember when we first had him on the show couldn't speak english now look at the english doing a whole interview essentially in english captain eric help them a couple times but that's very notable that goes a very long way. If you're able to speak english that's just the facts. It's it's not a bias towards english speaking but you're able you're able to connect with the audience trade to talk to the media. The most amount of media is here in north america and naive it to get your story out there. You're able to get your personality over. You're able to get your your fan base behind you and the fans in general behind you look at the way he's talking about his route assan yeah yeah that's huge. It's a lot more effective when it's coming out of his mouth even if it's broken english if it's coming through a translator so that is massive so whoever is helping him learn how to speak english. You are a very important part of this story. Make no mistake about it. Of course he has to go out there and win the fights but but if you're able to speak english and get your message across to the fans that's a massive part of the fight game for just a basketball player baseball player and not as important fighter extremely extremely important. This is prize fighting. You want people to pay to watch you fight. You want people to get emotionally invested in your journey. He's doing a phenomenal job so so credit to him there and how about dana white who typically doesn't commit to the next fight on saturday right typically doesn't do that but on saturday. He said that he will pay for custody to be in australia like there's nothing else to really say. At this point as far as the middleweight division is concern. He's the next guy he has to. It'd be the next guy banged up. He'll be there on october fifth marvel stadium and it's always great the division works out like that there is no one else even if whitaker loses at this point unless it's like an all time robbery or something like that i don't. I don't see any scenario where the run that one back instead of going with cost cost very marketable. He's very popular in brazil and now he's starting to get over in america's well. It's it's it's good when you do it when they position him on a card like that very good couple of stats from that fight which was just absolutely incredible credible so he's now thirteen o five fight. You have see win streak. It's the third longest active streak at midway behind champions robert whittaker in israel to sign yeah so there you go perfect. Perfect powell cost on your romero combined for two hundred forty. Three significant strikes landed the third largest combined tally in u._f._c. middleweight history according to u._f._c. stats eight point four significant strikes landed per minute are the second most in u._c. History just engaged. She point five live tied for the third most m._a. Wins without a loss among active u._f._c. fighters beep twenty-seven out of seventeen and he is one of twelve brazilian fighters to start their a u._f._c. career five and our better six of them. Were you have see champion so pretty. Good company for paolo costa coming off that big win and over your romero corporate getting all antsy tomita rap ooh why so anti-corporate jake trying to stretch some time hoping that mazda would wake up but wait wait he just wrote to me. Just wrote me one question. Ask them. We'll get get them over one question please. I'm begging you. He's so calm right now. He just said shape was wrapping me. Come on so maslow's feeling sick corporate jakes to rap. I'm sweating. I'm speaking speaking slowly and you just. I don't know he wrote. I'm ready. I don't know what that means. It might just be his manager of kabul will get some kind of comment on the nate diaz call out. I wanted to liver. I'll be stressing about this all week next week that we promoted someone in show up understand when you get sick. These things happen in anime. Come on. Don't let me down. This is big. This is live. This is how you do it. I've sent them. Maybe forty five text messages in the last thirty minutes while doing the live interview. We're going to get an answer. They called him out. He was there. It was his birthday yesterday not horry abe he was there front row right next to colby covington right next to max holloway nate diaz said he's a gangster mr but he's no west coast gangster and he wants to fight him for the baddest m effort title out there. The challenge has been thrown out. Will it be accepted. He saying no one is calling him b. Scott just do phone. Just do quick. I want you getting all stressed out. I want you getting a heart attack over there corporate. I'm jake. I'll stress tummy to wrap all caps. Will the challenge be accepted. We'll the phone call be answered. Let's get an answer. Is this going to happen. The two oh nine versus the three zero five stockton versus miami game bread versus nathan they india's doesn't have a nickname to nine versus three or five. Those are like two of the more okay corporate virginia telling me to talk about. Are you there. Yes we got you. Hey listen. They were trying to tell me to rap. They were telling me to close the show and i was how many texts i send you in the last hour or so. What's going on with a few. He's just a little we had a a a red eye last night and right before we got on the flight data already feeling a little under the weather and i just think the fight and lack of sleep sort of amplified everything so he right now is just not. He's not feeling well so he was just like i'm going to go to sleep and i'm going to let you know when you have woken up yet so he's not he's not feeling well right now. Okay no hard feelings but i have to ask you were standing there. Our cage side called horry mazda. We have not heard from jorges since does he want this fight. I believe so. I believe that's a that's a it's a good to fight. <hes> i think both these guys will go on. Put on a show for everybody and i think that's what we all want. I mean. I don't know if you're i'm. I'm a fight fan at heart before i am anything else and if you're like this is like christmas for everybody has talked about wanting to get paid. He has to get paid and i think that's that's inevitable. You know you guys put sixteen years into the game. He's never been a problem for anybody. Whether it comes to these sada comes to making wake comes to <hes> you know showing up being on time putting on shows. He's always done so <hes>. I think you know she's put in his time and i think the u._s._c. understands that i think the fans fans understand that i think he understands that so. I just want to get paid it. Have there been any talks after the call. I mean nate was very forward with his requests like he usually sometimes sometimes beats around the bush. He was very clear with what he wanted after the flight and since then any talks from the u._f._c. are they interested right after the fight. I have brief conversation conversation with with the <hes> the higher ups and it looks like you know they. They like the fight so that being said we should be <hes>. We should be getting together sometime this week to see how that goes. Okay and is there a chance. It happens in twenty nine thousand nine. Maybe december fourteenth las vegas m._s._g. Thinking i think that would be fantastic. I don't personally m._s._g. Not because of any other reason just just talking about court. Hey you know briefly and whatnot. I think december in vegas is probably where he would prefer. Actually he wants to go to kelly from <hes> you know i don't wanna get too much. I'd rather it comes from hitting me <hes> so i'll try to keep it as simple as possible but you know keep he looks at this white more like you know the till he's gonna go into someone else's backyard and prefers that over anything else so vegas is the closely he could get get to the county than vegas. Did he feel offended with nate saying like he's a gangster but no west coast cancer like is this personal between them man. You know that one thing one thing that <hes> for his drink at doing is <hes> taking what other people say and kind of like you know giving it back to them so i'll wait until so he does that i know i know you want more out of the area and i apologize for this but i don't want to steal his his time. It's i can't come for me but he will. He will be responding to that as as well and i think <hes> you know the fans will appreciate his response okay and let me ask you just to be clear. You said title shot or bus right. That's what you guys were saying after the winner. This is the one exception i believe so. I believe you know everybody up. Look at it from from financial standpoint for these guys. They are prize fighters. They're not fighting just to say hey. I'm a u._f._c. fighter fighting for a paycheck and if the biggest paycheck at the time comes with the title then why would he take fight outside of that right now. It's a bigger paycheck presents itself then. I think the title becomes the title then at that point. <hes> is the biggest fight so you know i think that absolutely the accession that is from the on the planet titles also where the as well dude. I'm about to to go out to the local <hes> store over here. I'm about to design one of the i know you wanna battle belts and if i get if i get his blessing i'm gonna make sure he supports that everywhere because that's right. Now you know we say what we want about about nate and and nick god bless them. They're two of the bats news we know but i mean i'm telling you here. In in the east coast three zero five miami and people don't survive. You're like that. It's a little different our flag man university of miami the canes it's just different east coast swaggie different than the west. Go swag these guys you know big into park and now we got named nori. Oh my gosh look choose selling the fight now getting all tinley inside two things. Can you throw it a number for us us. What are we looking for. What are we asking for here. No i can't do that 'cause that's not. That's not sure i'm not gonna. I'm i won't do that right now. I will say i will say you know it's just be. I really more than anything just to be fair and we'll be good okay. You have a number though i have a number of my head yeah okay and last but not least what are the chances we see john jones fight steep amiach. It's you know that john john said publicly in the past. He's not looking to move up to heavyweight. That's his words not mine <hes> if he were to go to heavyweight you know the the number has to be right because it's it's a completely different scenarios for john. You know <hes> light heavyweight as his home <hes> you know when you're king of a castle you you tend to go out there and go try to conquer other castles and in john's case he's more. He's he will bonker. Every every type of you know opponent. There is out out there for him at like heavyweight. He's still feel that the division is growing. There's a lot of good young names out there that are still coming up and he feels you know these are people that will eventually try to threaten his throne instead of going up to heavyweight and then losing sight of the young up and comers that are coming up <hes> for that to threaten him. He feels like he should be focusing on his his division now again. I believe that the number is right. You know everyone's got a price. Everyone has a price. I believe the number is right and then i think you know staying john could happen but that's those were his words. Those those those are coming from john not me that he said that publicly you want me to go up to the heavyweight. I think you'd have to but he never wants to mention as an opponent like that you know he he tweeted out one time. I'm <hes> <hes> me and you know this and that i don't know if he was just trying to you know ruffled feathers a little bit and get people talking if he did do that like that then you know it's there but anything anything is possible in this sport and that's why we love her right as the million dollar man once said everyone has a price. Oh man that's my guy could yossi yes abe hey thank you for doing this. Tell no hard feelings even though he let me at the altar. I still love him he will he will make it up to you know he does. That's cool. Thank thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you areas abraham cowley one of the very best in the business. I apologize for the boswell situation but you heard it from the horse's mouth not feeling well. These these things happen sometime but i'm glad that we got a bit of an update there as you can hear there is interest. There is interest corporate. You could hit the music. Don't worry buddy. Everything's it's gonna be okay. See me slowly but surely i was reading that copy i was like what else can i read here to kill some time and there we did it. How i think it just like blew it my shoulder doing that. I think that's a sign and need to go to bed. I've done too much. It's been a fun day. Also i regret throwing the paper. No here okay fun day my friends u._f._c. two forty one in the books was that daniel cormie as his last fight who will steep kitsch fight in his first title defense after winning about again. I second title defense. You know what i'm talking. What about who's pol cost gonna fight for the belt is route asana or rubber whitaker. We'll nathan versus horry mazar doll happen happen and if so will it happen this year what's up with corey san hagan. Where does he fed all those questions to be answered and that's why this game is so much fun when you exit event with a lot of questions fancier poison hagan steep nick newell eddie alvarez francis in ghana holly home mike perry kurt angle stefan struve powell kosta elsa abraham. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thanks to all of you who have tuned in once again. If you miss anything check out. I tunes google youtube twitter. All those plays a more back next week same time place until that i say pace.

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BOX241: Let The Cave Bodies Hit The Floor

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BOX241: Let The Cave Bodies Hit The Floor

"What follows may not be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised Of Stories. Stories of mysteries. Of Curiosities. Join. An Giang through Gilligan Tov for the strange. The boozers. The unexpected. As. The LID and wash asleep you're inside. The box. oddities. And Jeff, throw. Yes, what are you reading? Card okay. We. Hope you guys are doing well through quarantine at miss being able to travel and see your live shows as I'm sure you are, too. We did a best friend's weekend in Portsmouth New Hampshire and saw this coloring book. It's an ancient aliens coloring book. You guys who's in our mailbox. They sent it to us. There is no way we couldn't get it for you. Hopefully you'll enjoy it. Maybe find another topic for the PODCAST. Thank you for keeping us going during this crazy time. Flying are freak. Flags Love Olivia and Aaron our friends from Tampa. The Tampa freaks traveled to a couple of our live shows. I think. What was it Boston and Bridgeport Connecticut I. Thing, so maybe Charlotte as well. I'm not sure, but they have made a couple of different shows. Coloring book is so cool and I say I had a child here the other day and she was like Oh. We can call her and I was like absolutely not not this kid away from his his my coloring books for me Little Shit! But we are missing the live shows to where we are. We have no idea of course when we'll be back out on the road so we thought in. This is the first time that we've mentioned this that we would do a virtual live show. It's in the planning right now. It'll probably happen sometime. But, it's going to be soon. It'll be soon. really are big obstacle at this point is we need chairs we do. We don't have any chairs that can appear on camera with some sort of humanitarian aid corporation coming. I'm going Oh dears. Can we help you Kevin J throws chairs provided by the Arthur vining. Davis Foundation. Saying Anyway. We will let you know when the virtual live show will happen. We're not gonNA. Charge admission for for the virtual life show. We might put a tip jar up screener something. Who are said chair fund if. You help us buy furniture. Anyway It's your turn to go first, so go first. Okay, so yeah. I had to ask you if we talked about this because I'm quite familiar with this story and of heard it so many times I didn't know if I heard it may be from your face whole but said the name and you Kinda went. and I was like I was giving Hansen. You didn't seem to recognize it, so fingers crossed. We haven't done this. This is the story of Sanni Bean so according to the New Gate Calendar a tabloid publication from the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries Alexander was born in the sixteenth century in East Lowthian. He moved to Ballard trae in air. Shire Scotland with his wife Agnes being, and they moved into a really nice cave called the Bannon cave. So Ben Kay was rather elaborate with tunnels, penetrating the solid rock, and extending for more than a mile in length there were side, passages, ins, and outs and such, and the cave's entrance was flooded for several hundred meters twice a day at high tide, so misquoted, automatic moat. Yes, exactly security systems entrance was at the water, so you'd you could only get in during certain times of the day. Exactly, which is really quite clever when you think about it I mean unless you have to get out. You know like mant. Tuesday and it's watch a movie from blockbuster night on a school night. Can we mom all right all right? Sorry that sounded more like Jimmy, Stewart, all right so anyway. Nice cave super fancy. So this is where Sony and Agnes being decided that they would settle down and they started a family, and they lived there for twenty five years in a cave. Love the name Agnes being. A great name for some reason, I can't figure out why it makes me think of stakes So Angus beef. Yeah maybe Agnes with that bean company around here that does meets. Yeah, there is a main company that makes hotdogs in their name is beans. Yeah Anyway L L Bean. No, it's a different main be. That's very leathery. Stop Eating your shoe. So during the time of their habitation in this lovely cave the area was having a really hard time with missing persons, and every once in a while there would be curiously preserved, but decaying body part washed up on the surrounding beaches in the area, so local authorities were growing very concerned about the increasing number of missing people, and they were frustrated in their quest for justice, or whatever, and so they so they ended up hanging. Some people several innocent people because they thought okay. Well this this is that we've solved the case you're done for, but then the body parts kept piling and the missing people kept missing, so they just killed a bunch of people to quench their thirst for justice. Yeah, actually suspicion often would fall on local innkeepers since they were the last known people to see some of these missing people alive in. Nobody's thought to look in the cave. Because right now, why would say? That, these two stories are related. If people were were disappearing in my area, and there were a couple of people that lived in a cave nearby. I would I would take a stroll out in question them. Well. At this point they're living in the cave wasn't a common knowledge, icy and they did. They had some kids, and they were pretty secluded. They didn't interact a lot with other people. They lived very solitary life with their cave brewed one night, a married couple writing from a fair on one horse were attacked by a horde, though woman was pulled off the horse by. By the Group of people and cloaked in darkness, the man could just make out that she was being mauled pretty much to the point of no return, the man was skilled in combat, and he was able to hold off the clan with sword and pistol, and it appeared as though the group was disembowelling his wife Oh my God just then a large group of fair goers appeared on the trail, and the murderous group dispersed the fair goers. Over to the local magistrate whom they informed about this terrible experience. So, they returned to Glasgow. The husband reached King. James the fourth, who personally led a group of four hundred people to the area of the attack, and it said it didn't take very long before the Ben and Cave West discovered bloodhounds apparently led the charge right to the cave tied was just right, so they able to make their way in, and they were horrified with what they discovered. The damp walls of the cave were strewn with row upon row of human limbs and body parts like meat hanging in a butcher shop. Oh no other areas of the cave stored bundles of clothing and piles of watches and rings and heaps of discarded bones. So they were hanging up these body parts for food, not decoration correct. Okay, now I'm sure it look nice to you know it's nice when something can be both form and function. Yes, nothing quite brightens up. Ones Cave like a severed limb at this point. I wonder how they decorated their Christmas tree about it was weird. Who wants to put the clavicle on top of the tree this year? Oh, Jimmy, Lemme, boost you up. Femurs and roses and whiskers in eyeballs. Now okay. So, with. The cave being discovered now they found a total of forty six people living in this cave. All from the same family, Yawn. Mine that started from just the two. My idea so that was sons and daughters and grandsons, granddaughters, and uncle sons and aunt daughters, and you know how it goes. It must have been weird for like the first generation that was born in a cave, and really knew very little about the outside world. Other than that's where we kill our food. Yeah, when the tide's low so with the ever increasing mouths to feed, and no real job to fall back on Sony bean turn to robbery, and then when you end up robbing a bunch of people, you got to figure out what you're gonNA. Do with those witnesses. He ended up murdering a bunch of people, and then when you end up murdering a bunch of people, you've got to figure out what you can do with all those bodies, and well, then you start eating them. Yeah, it's a slippery slope and it didn't take long for his family to help with the crime, so the clan thrived by laying careful ambushes at night to rob and murder, the individuals or the small groups of people, and then they would bring him back to the caves for some numbs. The family would survive on a very high protein diet They often would pickle and salt. Salt the human remains occasionally tossing a mangled limb into the sea to be discovered and convince the townsfolk that the missing people had fallen victim to animal attacks so back to the capture, some sources say the troops smoked the clan of the cave, which smoked meats also very popular, so that might have worked out for everyone some say there was a brief struggle, and some say that the clan surrendered without a fight, but the entire Sanni Bean family all forty. Whatever of them were arrested March off to Edinburgh. Their crimes were considered so heinous that the normal justice system for which Scotland is quite. Well known was abandoned, and the locals were said to have been so disgusted with the bean family. The demanded a more painful punishment, and so Sony and his fellow Son Grandson Son's nephew. Had their genitals cut off and thrown into fires, and then the hands and feet severed off, and they were allowed to bleed to death a while they were in conscious. Share Yeah Yeah. The cut their winky's off. That's right. Lo- meanwhile, the women and children were tied to stakes and burned. Now when you say stakes. So, this is all a pretty big event as you can imagine i. mean there are hundreds of missing people. There is a four hundred person search party. There's a huge event that involves the burning and genital mutilation of You know forty something. People must have been quite a social event. Yeah, people tailgating, leading up to the probably do the ceremony. That's exactly what you would imagine, but there is no proof that that took place really. So, this is legend. This is legend. Any of it. Any of it so I wanted to have taken place. Well, that's terrible and you're a bad person, so. It is a very well known legend retold throughout the ages. And the story is is pretty secure like this is where he came from. This is where they lived. This is how many people disappeared. This is what happened to them when they died. But for some reason, none of those things are documented during the time that they happened. It wasn't until much later that this story started being told and Fiona Black, a graduate of Glasgow University told Radio Scotland's case reopened that there's probably a really good reason for it. It didn't happen. She said that the word Sauni which is short for Alexander Question Mark First appeared in the Oxford English dictionary in seventeen o four as a derogatory term for a Scotsman. This is according to the Scotsman Dot Com. It all started with James, the seventh as they call him in Scotland or James, the second as he was known in England very confusing, so he was the last Roman. Catholic monarch terrain over the kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland. He was invaded by his Protestant son-in-law and subsequently overthrown James was forced into exile in France, so they rallied troops and turned to military action against William and Mary's government forces and And this was called the Jacobite rebellions, and it's been pretty much determined by experts that the Sanni being. Cave incident is a myth and invention by the English designed to denigrate the Scots at the time of those rebellions. You don't want those scots coming in here and taking over right, they eat people right, and that's based on the fact that the the name Sony wasn't invented until much later than the when this event allegedly took place. That's right. Maybe. Maybe, his nickname was sunny. You know maybe. Maybe his dad called him sunny and people just started picking up on it, and then over time you know it was mistranslated happens so when the king. Came to the Cave, himself with four hundred people to capture these why why wasn't? Why wasn't that documented? Maybe he? Maybe he ran at a paper. Or already pretty sure that's it. Well! As you know like there's a long history of using? Things like cannibalism as a propaganda against people that you're trying to portray a savage is like they can't take care of themselves. We might as well just take over their country right. It's happened repeatedly in history, and this is a great example of that wear. It was really just propaganda. You know you know how those scots are always live in caves and eating, people and inbreeding don't think. You're impartial. It'd be telling this story well, because you are a descendant of cannibals. It's actually interesting because my mother's mother married a Jacobite. Oh Wow. 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What now And he had a pretty ruthless reputation I'm sure you you probably remember some of the things that he did, but especially in later life they said it probably had to do with his worming ball sack gross yeah, I mean if he had like an d. or something, then he could have been driven mad by in which would cause some angsty behavior. King Baldwin the four. Also if you could never describe genitals is being warming again, that would be great. Thank you enjoy day King Baldwin. The fourth of Jerusalem was a leper and leprosy, of course that is. An ailment targets flesh in tissue. One of it's one of the most under misunderstood diseases of the Medieval world. As you know the leper colonies. People would whatever and amounts the city. What seems very unpleasant? Please continue according to CNN during the Middle Ages. There was no cure although it was not highly contagious, leprosy could spread through droplets from the nose and mouth during close or frequent contact. Apparently, they hadn't understood the importance of. Face Masks hospitals at the time were places where people were looked after rather than a subject to any kind of medical treatments, according to Simon Roffe, lead study, author and lecturer, medieval archaeology at the University of Winchester King Baldwin showed symptoms by the age of nine. He started to show symptoms of leprosy. Although his affliction, it certainly affected him physically. It didn't hinder his ability to rule Jerusalem. According to historians Baldwin subjects took no notice whatsoever of his leprosy because he was such a good king. And, because of this, Baldwin status ultimately helped de stigmatize the disease. I am very very proud of that group of people. That is just not generally the vibe that you get from that era. No, they're all just like. That's just Baldwin Baldwin. Then there was empress Elizabeth of Australia. She's known for a lot of things, but most well known throughout history for her beauty. Especially, her famously slender waistlines I'm not familiar with her. Okay. When when was she about? Do you know in the mid eighteen hundreds? Okay? Her waistline was ridiculously slender. I've seen some some portrait's offer, and it looks like you could. Could almost put one hand right around her waist but it came a severe cost to stay slim often wouldn't eat for days at a time and when she did eat, it was mostly just a diet broth. In addition to that she exercised constantly tear. It was obsessive. Now Elizabeth lack of consistent nutrition. Calories led to her downfall. She developed a Dima. Painful swelling in her feet in the eighteen sixties, she was still in her twenties and her Dima interfet was so bad that she required assistance while walking around. Inner Twenty, she couldn't walk. Taros a big price to pay for a ridiculously little waistline well. It sounds like she was anorexic. That I mean that's mental disorder. She struggled she did. Know we all know about King Henry the eighth. He loved Mary people and then kill them that. Yeah, right he he did that. We think is like this big gluttonous asshole. Who killed his wives, but he didn't start out that way. He became King of England in fifteen o nine at the age of seventeen, he was intellectual, and he was very physically active. He was obsessed with upholding the ideals of what a renaissance prince or king should be, but things changed for old Henry. When he was just thirty six, he developed sores on his leg in historians think that that may have been caused by the type of Garters that he was wearing to keep stockings up right I. Think I remember hearing something about that. In worse than that, he sustained a leg injury during a jousting tournament, some sort of horse incident, fifteen, thirty six, because of the existing source on his leg, the injury that he got jousting, never healed properly, and it became ulcerated, his leg ulcers festered in wreaked over time. People were said to have been able to smell his ulcers rooms away. And that must have been pretty painful and of course pain. We'll make one cranky. Henry became increasingly tyrannical. He lopped off the heads of two of his wives and anybody who disagreed with him politically. Wow Yeah Pope Leo the tenth now. This guy was a serious political player in the early sixteenth century. But from the age of about thirty seven, he suffered from anal fissures. Oh No, they were so severe that he insisted that a physician travel with him at all times. Like Crohn's disease or something well, the Mayo Clinic defines anal fissures this way a small tear in the thin moist tissue that lines the anus anal fissures typically. Causes Pain and bleeding from from bowel movements? Now I've asked this question before and I. Don't know that I've ever received a a good answer so sometimes when you are having a bathroom moment. things are more difficult than other times, and it's been said by some that. Sometimes things will your. The there's blood you know, right? Yes, that's often caused by anal fissures. Okay, which are caused in in some cases by. Extreme constipation and extremely large bowel movements fibers important when that happens. So you've got. You've got open. You now, and then there's there's poop i. mean you know So why? Why is getting poop in your open wound? Not Killing you by. You asking for a friend I'm just like what I'm curious. Question. Isn't that bad to get poop in an open was think so. How do people who has struggled with that kind of thing? How do they not get ill? Get a huge infection. I don't know maybe some medical experts that listen to the show lake. Medical experts listen to this show. Can Inform US actually that we we get a lot of messages from people much smarter than much smarter than we are all the time. Don't understand it, but thank you. Anyway Leo's treatment for these fishers became a political liability for him because wait. Okay go ahead in fifteen, sixteen rival cardinals hatched a plot to assassinate. Leo By. Tampering with his ass bandages. Oh Yeah! They put poison in his but bandages terrible and according to pbs I thought when you were saying that it became problem politically like people would protest outside his house with signs that say like we demand a leader with a solid bought whole, say no to small cracks in the moist tissue around your. But. So the cardinals conspired to poison as bandages. Killing him essentially from the bottom up. This game was discovered. Leo continued to serve as Pope until he died in fifteen, twenty one of pneumonia, so that was a failed assassination attempt asssassination as SAS. I'm sorry, don't don't kill people moving along. Yeah Queen Mary the first of England. How was hurt, but probably a little sore because she was pregnant for eleven months. What well, at least, that's what everybody thought. She had a phantom pregnancy for an eleven month period of time she was visibly pregnant, but never gave birth gosh, for nearly a year after she ascended to the throne in fifteen fifty three rumors spread that Mary was pregnant in both Mary, and her physicians agreed the Queen was carrying a child. She even claimed that she could feel it kicking in her womb, but eleven months after her alleged pregnancy was announced. Mary left her birthing chamber without a child and moved to a secluded residents. There's no confirmed 'cause to the phantom pregnancy but many. Historians believe the queen was so desperate for a child that she convinced herself that she was carrying a baby. The human brain is incredible. It really is an can change everything about who you are and what you look like, and it's just nuts because I've read quite a bit about false pregnancies, and your brain can literally trick your body into. No, yeah, you're pregnant. That's yeah, just just go ahead and have those hormones like if you're pregnant I, wish my brain could trick our bank account into thinking. It was full of money. We get some chairs Queen Victoria. She carried the very first documented cases of HAEMOPHILIA. Oh really yeah, it's thought that it originated in a mutated gene from her father Edward, Augustus Duke of Kent. Hemophilia is as I'm sure that you know a recessive disorder which causes excessive bleeding and is connected to the x chromosome, the disease spread throughout Victoria's bloodline. It infected her descendants and royal generations to come from not just her area, but across many countries, because many of her children and grandchildren married into other noble families. I had no idea that it was. It came about so recently. That's that's crazy. The first notable case of hemophilia is in fact, Victoria's fourth son, Prince Leopold Duke of Albany as a child. Victoria placed many restrictions on Leopold's activities because she knew he you know. He bled easily. And that seemed successful at least until he was thirty one when he fell down some stairs and died of US real hemorrhage. That's an unfortunate and I was in the hospital one time. You've been in the hospital a lot when I was a kid I was. A sickly kid, but I was sharing a room in intensive care at Boston Children's hospital with a young boy, I think I was like six or seven at the time, and he was about the same age, and he was a HAEMOPHILIAC and I remember one night. I these weird dreams. I referenced this briefly once before I dreamed that this being stepped out of the solid wood door doral. Yeah, well, it wasn't like a troll. I don't know what it was, but. The grain in the door looked like an outline of a person and That somebody stepped out of that door and stood in the room and I wasn't scared or anything I just went back to sleep, or so I dreamed I went back to sleep, I woke up in the morning in the bed, next to me was empty in the boy head, rolled over and hit his head in the night, and head bled to death. Let's get story really fun beyond. Doral. Had didn't say this was an enlightening story. It's just weird shit that happened to throw. Any who's all we will? We'll keep you posted on the virtual live show that we're going to do from our basement. We're in the process of looking for chairs. That'll be great. and. We look forward to seeing next time. Keep flying that freak flag fly proudly. A beautiful can so let it be know that the box of auditees belongs to. And Its. Fate is in your hands. Therefore, it's been requested by those two. 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A Career Coach Guides Sidelined People to Meaningful Work

The Tightrope with Dan Smolen

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A Career Coach Guides Sidelined People to Meaningful Work

"In two thousand nine. I really believe. That's where book change. I remember I had to find a self motivation to be productive and to move myself forward and find some type of purpose from Washington. Dc This is the tightropes. I'm your host. Dan Smullen our mission on. This podcast is to help. You realize your dream of doing meaningful work here. You'll meet and be inspired by amazing. People who overcame great odds you'll discover what sparked them how they explored work opportunities the strategies that they employ to ensure career success and the actions that they boldly took to make it all happen. You'll also meet esteemed and nationally recognized. Thought leaders who were helping people like you to develop were skill experience and leadership and sees opportunity from a changing world so that your Beautiful Work Dreams. Turn into reality together. Let's turn work meaningful for the future of work is meaningful work coming we need Natalie. Price Priceless Consulting. She helps sideline professionals reconnect with meaningful work opportunities. But before we get to our interview with Natalie we WANNA thank you for being a part of the tight rope. We appreciate all that you do and continue to do to promote our podcast. Please point your friends who seek to do work that is profound protects the planet empowers people and communities. And it's fun to do to our current and past episodes at Dan smolen DOT COM or. They may subscribe key wording tightrope podcast wherever they get podcasts. Our guest today is Natalie Price. She is a self-described introvert. Who struggled in school and knows firsthand. What it's like to be downsized from job get Natalie never defined herself by personality type or her pass professional setbacks instead she channels her own bravery to help vulnerable people especially older out of work professionals to find and do meaningful work. Natalie GETS THEM. Grounded focused restored to self confidence and earning a paycheck at an astounding. Ninety percent placement rate to discover her amazing life story and the success that she enjoys helping people find in do meaningful work. We spoke with Natalie Price in November twenty nineteen over skype from her offices in Bridgeport Connecticut. Natalie price welcome to the tightrope. How are you good? Thanks for having me your welcome so the first question I wanNA to ask is kind of time travel question when you were a kid growing up in Norwalk Connecticut when you were young settling into bed after a at school or play. What did you dream about being when you were all grown up? I wanted to be a thing. Ask I grew up with Mariah Carey You Know Whitney Houston and you know what Lauren Hill set. It off hill was like was like when she was in sister. Act Two she changed everything and then the food use came out. I thought I was a singer when I was young. Didn't you covered. Roberta flack? If I remember correctly yes she did. Yes and And it was killing me softly men. I think it was Donna. Summer's and yeah. It was definitely Lauren Hill. That inspired a lot of me. Well you picked some pretty bold role models there right so when you were a kid. What aside from singing stoked your passions. Well I was. I grew up in a neighborhood. I was a lot of boys so I was. I was playing outside a lot and I think that's just the time period I grew up in. I was outside playing kickball dodgeball of but we had a street narrow my house and it was like a pretty much a hill and he would go up the hill and take his skateboard and to sit on it and just come down the hill. It's crazy now that I think about it never do that now but when I was a kid I was very much outdoors And Video Games. So yes I had genesis Nintendo. I liked all the game I love looking up to code so different levels my brother and I. I'm the oldest of three at the time of my youth. Cy Young Age I was the oldest was just my brother and I and we played video games a lot. So you're learning to write code. Didn't do I have that right. Oh Yeah for you. Could you could figure out and we didn't have Internet so you had magazines like gay magazines that you would order and they would have a different codes and all you have to know is the combination of putting the pro. Then be like a BBC. Bbb. It was so it was just waste advancing two different levels depending on what game. You're playing and I used to love being able to figure out the different coach so I'm trying to create a mental picture here. Young girl playing with boys developing a lot of grit. I would imagine because if they treat you like another boy you know how to deal with stuff right. Oh Yeah Yeah I was pretty tough and pretty tough at that age the being and then being smart enough to know how to manipulate the code of video game so what was going on but what was going on back then what. What did you think where you were headed I don't know I think at that age. the truth is I. I don't think I was thinking about academics. I don't think I was thinking about college. What was very hard for me I stayed back in second grade so schools always been a challenge. I remember even being put into class. That was for People that just needed a little bit more help in their schoolwork and I was in a special class for that and I just always found school to be difficult at least the classroom aspect of school and in regards to education. I do think I was always a late bloomer. I always needed a hands on approach. Well you probably grew up a you and I talked to my mom and dad lived in Norwalk for the better part of forty years. I got a little bit familiar with the school system. There I think back in the time we were probably in school. School was probably a one-size-fits-all proposition. And I think it's changed. And now they would have seen a kid like you with a lot of gifts and they would have figured lots of work arounds for you to help. You thrive the fact that you can look back at that time in second grade and say look where I am now is take good on you so you went to college when you were there. Were you thinking about a professional future for yourself and shot that I was there? I was shocked that I was there. I when I was in high school. I remember was my sophomore year into sophomore year. And I remember going to my guidance counselor and saying I don't WanNa go to college like yeah. I think this is something I want to do. And she pretty much told me. I wasn't college material. Oh yeah and I think that was the first time somebody said no to me and I was like me. You would that It was a lot because I have a lot to answer for. I come from a family that my parents didn't go to school here. My Dad's from Jamaica my mom's from England as two different that's different school systems. Different ways that you learn And so I think that was a a a a like a a gap that we just didn't have that communication of. How do we handle this? You know our daughter who is just not doing well in school right. They're saying he has behavioral problem. They think this you saying that now knowing myself. I'd have a lot of energy and I didn't know how to direct energy right. I know how to direct energy. Now I know how to reserve preserve it and all that but I think I was a high energy kid that just needed a hands on activities to get make Simple assignments click. You know and we. We didn't have that when I was growing up so I did go to summer school two years in a row. I remember my eleventh and Twelfth Grade Year I was in summer school. I decided I did WanNa go to college. And by the saving rate I met this teacher at Brien McMahon high school. And she's still there. Her name is Mrs Lease and she was just like a Grad student interning and she walked me through my whole college process. And that is how I went to college and got into Central Connecticut. State e O People Graham within the program A Guy into that program and I kicked ass really. Yeah because I had no other choice so I I knew what it like if I had nowhere else to go when central said yes and they said I didn't get into any college up until a July because of my grades right so I've been. I'm sorry natural. I may early June. I had nowhere. I was just going to know a community college at that point Then all of a sudden I got a call from Central Connecticut. State that Yo- people grim. Somebody dropped out whoever that thank you for opening up a door to opportunity for me because that is how. I went to college and it would shoot two weeks before we were supposed to leave for this big family vacation and I couldn't go. Yeah but you know what sometimes you you're you're an adult you look back on events from your childhood and you go. Wow that happened. That pointed me to where I am. Now that is just breathtaking. So you you got through Central Connecticut. Did you graduated graduated. What did you do next after I graduated from Central I started to work so I I worked as my first internship was at Pratt and Whitney in Middletown Connecticut aircraft and that is where I learned a airplane engine and I did communications and did Like take your parents your child to work day activities and I really got to exercise my event planning skilled at that location. Which from school. I was from Central Connecticut State. You know before I graduated. I was president of club. I had run major budget so I just didn't go to school. I was very involved on my campus and I really really think that the best thing that I got out of my education is my soft skills. Okay so so for people that don't know what soft skills are. I spent twenty years in recruiting. It's what I- I leveraged every day on. Tell our audience. What SOFT SKILLS? Our ability to communicate the ability to motivate a team work as a team collaborate managed people It's all the things that come to as kind of naturally and when we know that we have it we can start to work at it. Their ability to listen Managing teams were really a big part of myself skills. So if we can if we have those skills that people wanna work with us and they were they'll teach us the hearts go up. You know the soft stuff is really hard to find in people so I I really developed a lot of my soft skills at Central Connecticut state out of build a maximize relationships. And all that when I graduated I graduated. And I was working with Pratt and Whitney that was another example of me being able to use those skills because I have to be able to communicate with a lot of foreign dignitaries that would come to do tours of the factory and To see their next pocket their vesting in we had a lot of Asians coming over the C. The aircraft and understanding their culture was really important to you have to be able to adapt to that And it was a great experience. I really loved the challenges that were put before me at that at that internship. I had the experience early in my career of having to deal with people who were from Europe information. I'm second generation American. You're not your parents. Were from England and Jamaica. How do you think that might have advantaged you in dealing with foreign dignitaries I think we're just all you know. Honestly I think what really really got me. Understanding culture in that sense was my sister Who is fourteen years younger than me? She's a third of us. She was always very much culturally in that like she spoke speaks Mandarin. She studied abroad in China and when she started to get really involved and interested in different cultures. The family got interested in Different Cultures. So we would have a lot of people coming in like study abroad from Asia and China coming over and staying with us so we really understood the importance of knowing culture right so as you notice. I'm like really consciously understanding that Asia is a place right in in Asia. There's China there's India the other countries and being very aware that and when she started to get involved in her her center for International Studies Courses. That made us interested in that Form that we did take on a student and she lived with us for like six months and we love her. She's literally my sister from another mother. We call her. Her name is Tania and her parents. Now live over here and every Christmas. We all get together. It's wonderful what a great experience for parents don't really speak English. Translators through phone call. Conversations Watch movies. It's quite awesome. Indeed so How long did your Prenton Whitney experienced last? I was up with me for about a year. And what happened after that? After Pratt and Whitney work dot very interesting after friend Whitney. I got hired to work at target and I was a sauce. Names manager at target target was a great experience I was just out of college and I was managing people like I had people older than me that I had to delegate responsibilities to and hold them accountable so in the midst of working at target it was a lot right but now in hindsight target taught me interviewing skills. It taught me how to manage a team. A big team right. Because if you're in the store and you're the closing manager you could be charged fifty people right and you're in charge and holding them accountable for what that before. The business needs of that day. So we're very early in my career. I was always. I was put in place of leadership at target The thing with target was just not the lifestyle I wanted right. Oh My Gosh. And it was the better of retail because every other weekend off. But you know your sleep pattern is off because you have to cover shifts if somebody's out overnight managers out who's GonNa Cup Numa. Gosh right really allies. Because of it it gets it was a lot. It was a lot but the skills I got from there. The soft skills of being able to manage people Manage fluid thing. So what I mean by that. Is things happening all at once and being fluid and how you manage it a complaining. Customer the register's broken the toilets flooded the Baylor's not working and three people call off right so be fluid. Managing it taught me how to really build an maximize relationships. And that's a phrase that I actually learned from target. How do you build maximize relationships? It's not how do you just request something that you want? How do you build a relationship so that you can maximize it in the end and I really always liked that mind frame to target where the part wasn't important part of the journey? But then I had to leave sure which you go next wanted a lot after target. I went to Wells Fargo and Wells Fargo In East Hartford and I was a credit analyst. There was a totally different type of work But I was tired I was like always have it was. All I heard was Monday Friday right. I was coming A place where I was like. I can't do that all I just couldn't do it so I went to wells. Fargo Margot taught me credit. Right was bright in the middle of the housing prices. It was right in the middle of the housing crisis. Like I remember getting calls from people that you there. They were almost two hundred percent over the value of home. It was just it was bad And just the the level of debt and that was and people were getting laid off left and right and I was there for about maybe I wanNA say like a year And I got tired of that. I was like you know what I need. Something different. One thing I'm not afraid of is knowing when I need something different right when I knew a challenge a change or I need a new direction and I think people hold loyalty to the places. They work way too much and the places that you worked. Don't always have the same loyalty to you. I want to get back to that. Say Red Letter subject to talk about and I hope to get back to a little bit later on in this conversation like me you at some point in your career suffered a layoff. We're that happened happened when I moved back home. I got a job at a paper company and I was there for a little bit and vacuum had been laid off and that was around two thousand nine. What a terrible time. So what does that feel like to get laid off up? When I was laid off it was it was a lot It was a very very difficult time and a place to be because I had realized I. I said a lot of money into education and I knew that I couldn't apply that education anywhere anymore and I knew I was clearly in a state of depression. It literally moved my bed to the living room and I was like stuck on TNT. I would just watch TV eating orioles. It was it was a lot. 'cause know you're like I went to school. You're supposed to get out. Get this job and in two thousand nine. I really believe. That's where book change. I remember I had to find the self motivation to be productive and to move myself forward and find some type of purpose. You know in two thousand nine. I obviously was recruiting then. And you just said work changed. And the I've got bumps on the back of my neck now that are sitting up high because I'm an shivers. Yes were changed in two thousand nine and none of us were really prepared for it. Recruiters more more so people talent. That was tough. That was really tough. So how'd you get off the couch in away from TNT in the oreos? What did you do well this brings? I was always in college. I was always a new person. I was a part of the end of ACP was. I was the president of the Black Student Union. I was always engaged in my local community so by the time I was laid off I had moved to Bridgeport Connecticut. I'm in two thousand nine so this is may of two thousand nine. I go through a little depression state for like a month until July and I decided I need to get up so I I literally just get up and go down to the city hall to the Small Minority Business Office and I meet just leaving. Her name was Deborah. Kevin and from that point is where pretty much the beginning of tiflis starting to happen? Okay so audience tell them what priceless priceless consulting? Is My business my persona. When I'm in my business I call her priceless. It's just a part of who I am and I do remember when that lights which came on. I became an entrepreneur as I started to go through this layoff. It's funny because I knew that I probably was not going to find work but my mom was like how the justice go ahead of us. Go ahead of the job fishguard. I'd be like it's good. It's good it's good but you know it was like he would get called back for jobs that what they wanted you to put in for what they were paying. You wasn't even if it's just a smack in the face there would be no way you survive off of it and then you're going to be burnt out in the midst of it so you have even known no energy to even be better for yourself. If there's an opportunity for you so at that point you said to yourself. I'm going to focus my entrepreneurial energies and I'm going to do it in a place called bridgeport let's back up a second white bridgeport. Why did you move there Morlock Why the rent was cheap. That is like my honest answer. The rent was cheap. When I moved here I was like yeah I live there. It was close to train. Station has great transportation access. It had culture right so I knew that I could go to the Bodega or Compare or wherever store. I needed to get food that I was familiar with it because I'm Jamaican Nunes Jamaican restaurants if so it it. It felt like a home so priceless consulting tiller audience. What you do for people. I am a business incubator coach and I work with people on getting back on track with finding themselves in their brand as they move through their career or their business profession And when I say brand speaking about your logo your colors all that it's really identifying what are your heart skills what are your soft skills are transferable skills and together when we put those together. What's the value proposition that you give to? Your segmented audience does a different way of thinking of yourself as an entity. The best way that I look explaining is what. I'm doing my coaching courses. We often start off with a brand statement and that brand statement the first place. I want you to put. It is on your Lincoln page and I want you to put it in your headline and I want you to start claiming the power of what you want to be and I also want you to be comfortable knowing that your brand can change right and people get lost in thinking that they have to be one thing forever and I always go back and forth and I say well Pepsi and Coca Cola always switching out there. Look there feel everything. They're always trying to send things they've been successful. The quality may stay the same or be better but the brand can change and I swear I want people to get comfortable with so you adopted something that I'm familiar with having come out of advertising and that is that successful brands reinvent themselves every seven years or sooner because if they don't they die yet and people an irony that I find when I'm doing my courses and I'm looking at a workshop is that I often say the People. So you scrimmage before you apply for a job and what. I mean by that. Were you start your career like start looking for work? When we are playing any kind of sport. We always had the real game. In a scrimmage and the practice and we do two days and we do that but we need to practice for our life for the daily for the food that we put on our table the money our benefit all that is tied to work. You mean we don't practice. We don't think it's important to interview or to know what's on your resume and being able to write that resume or cover letter. We don't think it's important to do research on companies. We need a practice just like we do for everything else. So my parents generation probably believe that as part of their American dream they could align themselves with one company over the Ark of their careers and then get the golden parachute and then retire. I mean I think probably during the nineteen fifties and probably through most the nineteen sixty so that happened a lot my generation not so much. I've had so many career pivots my daughter who is eighteen and in college is probably GonNa have lots of career pivots at least twelve. That's amazing throughout right. So you're going to know you're going to need to know how to swing back and forth to different opportunities. Kinda like rock climbing right worked will not be a ladder. It's not going to be continuous straight up the ladder you have to continuously educate yourself so we have to rethink how we educate right and where we educate That's GonNa be a very important. I I kinda get nervous. Moy cells let me get nervous so I get nervous because I understand that. We are working with a lot of cases twelve initiative. But I know that there's not an immediate generation that needs help now and if we decided to look at this as a whole United States thing we are a global race for innovation and we we do not prepare and we can't wait for kids to Graduate High School and College. We need that work now and and it's crazy. 'cause I'm I'm really looking at like the new deal and when it was written and what time it was written it was written during a crisis during the early twentieth century. We were going through the Great Depression. The economy was at a halt so we needed to do something to to pump the economy. Get it going again. So we did. A new deal came out in phases. The first phase was allowed people to allow federal dollars. They come into communities let bridgeport fun certain projects and people were able to get work off of that and if you were skilled worker you got paid a dollar twenty and if you were unscaled to get people came from all over the country to bridgeport to be able to get work just because of that new deal. The new deal funded training because even funding some housing initiatives so that people can have owning property to drive taxes in certain areas. We need a better deal. We need a new way. We need to do it over in the a better deal. Bridgeport has a lot of different people young and old wealthy in not advantaged. And not you had said to me that you tend to work with a portion of the workforce that's more season than not so maybe in their fifties and I also learned in my research that you have a really good success record of getting them from their point of despair to perhaps even a new job like nine out of ten of them. You get to a better place so my question to you. Is Natalie Price? How do you to that I remind them of themselves I think sometimes in work we have been taught to be the title that were given at work and we totally forget that we are so much more important than that outside of those walls and that we have people that love US outside of those walls when we bring value to our community these value to our homes. So what I my goal is always trying to remind you that outside of what you do at work you are a person relevant and the reason why that's important because you're going to have more situations where you get laid off every need you to build the confidence to know that this is just the situation and I have the tools I need to move through the situation. And it's okay if I were little bad because I'm human But I have to be able to move forward so I very much. I talk human to like I. I use the the concept of being a human being upset sometimes about about going our way but also we need to be able to move forward. That's a really a lot of what I I really want. People to know their value. You know done recruiting for twenty years. I often found that the big challenges where people who had the most experience who were perhaps the most season for a lot of reasons one is. They've been in the same company long time they get. They get kind of lulled their soft skills. Don't pick up on change within the organization that might have told them eighteen eighteen months before they got fired. Hey you know what maybe need to pivot it. Yes yes they do not see that stuff right And and my courses that's my job. My job is moving forward. I need you to be more vigilant. I need you to play this game differently. You know Even down to the point of you know I used to ask people like. Did you work nine to five or did you stay late? Did you and people would be like I stayed lake. The one of my Boston working and I'm like well. Why don't you just produce the work when the time that you needed to do it? You know so. It's like even changing their attitude on On how they work And and making sure that they was that something that is a value knowing their values and knowing your values knowing your heart skills and your soft skills and knowing how they worked together to create the perfect mix of those transferable skills and knowing when to say for each role that I'm looking at I'm going to create a secret sauce mixing those skills together at applies to that role so coming out of the age group that you impact of boast. I'm in my late. I will tell you that. During my early career there was an unspoken rule that the longer you work the more you would be rewarded that job that I worked at in Greenwich. I often worked between sixty and eighty hours a week. Did I get rewarded for it? I got rewarded. I did very well. I had a great office. I was a young guy with a lot of responsibility. Natalie it made me sick. It made me physically ill and meant to lead rattled to the point where when I did get laid off. I felt as if I was at my own funeral because all those things I was told to. Do you know to to you know to be buttoned up to not let anything bother you to work harder than the next person kind of worked against me. I used that experience with my talent to say well. Was it worth it? No we gotta think of new ways of getting you through the work experience of that you were joyful but that but that work isn't making you sick and making your your loved ones crazy and your neighbors and your co workers because you know what I would. I would think that a lot of people that you work with. They've gotten to that point of toxicity and oh by the way. They've had the monetary benefits of the work but now they are loaded down with stuff and often with death so that when they do get laid off. Oh it's not pretty. That's the difference so like me being laid off was a completely different rebounding them right because I have a house and cars and kids and colleges to pay for. I have any of that people that I work with my magic question. It's how many working years do you have. If you don't know how to answer that question. Let me help you. You have on your mortgage to pay. Do you have kids? That still need to go to college. You have debt that needs to managed so you need to know before you even start looking at work. Okay I mean I have about fifteen years of working years that I need. No what my agent and the if I know that people are keeping jobs three to five years. That's four jobs and that's just being realistic with it so now. How do we create that? Pathway work be strategic. I call it like a strategy. How do we become strategic? Planning these Nick for job. Whether it's I'm I love to work for this company then I'm GonNa do some really strong networking people don't have a strategy of how they're going to do next and that's what I try to install I- instill in my in my client another layer of awfulness and you mentioned two thousand two thousand nine the great recession. I remember at the end of two thousand seven because you know. Recruiters are like canaries in the coal mine. We're the first ones feel the pain. When suddenly the work requisitions roll up and in December of two thousand seven I had a bunch of open rex. More work than it can handle and then in the space of two weeks it got cut down by eighty percent because companies on the frontline were said suddenly saying Oh. We're in trouble. So how that affects. The workforce is that it puts unrealistic demands on hiring managers to find perfection. That they don't have to train that they don't have to overly invest training in. And so I would. I would often have to find people that Mitt unrealistic expectations. And Guess. What happened when you did that. You play some people but they probably burned out or flamed out. After a year because they were hired for being talent they were hired for being human capital that immediately provided a benefit that the company back in the great recession didn't want to invest their cash reserves in and you know what throughout the twenty tens. It didn't really changed very much now. We got a situation with millennials basically being the majority of the Workforce Generation Z. Or whatever they're calling it. The plural is coming in after and I think I think the those generations are changing what it means to work one because they are the majority of the workforce. What do you think about them do you do you see positive impacts in how in what in what happens to work as a result of these new generations kind of taking over yeah? I think it'd be very aware of what they do right. So I'm GonNa give you a great example in my class. The first thing that I saw to do is changing over to g. Mail account the reason why we're using jails because most universities are using g mail account so. I know that future executives and future. You know they're gonNA be making the decisions in these companies. They're going to be using Jamila Account. So why don't we? Why would you set yourself up to look outdated oh I oh you mean as opposed to an AOL account Lee right so and it's not even that too if if you know this this is what's being used. Why not get ahead sort of knowing how to use it right so that when you get into these offices and they're like okay here. Goes your company email account and you realize oh my God. The same thing like g mail. Because it's the enterprise account g mail right so we have to start using the tools and technology. That's that's starting to come being used by them. There's a reason right I still believe in diversity of age in the workplace. I think it's important one of the things I personally while working with my age group. They're so smart. There's no smart. They have life experience single how to manage people they have. You know we can talk about different things. They've just forgotten their value. Because we were taught not to to take tabs on all the great things we do. We change it. I think ageism I think it's I think age is the energy. I say that there's reverse agent you know I'm almost forty years old and I don't look it and I know lose opportunities or get paid less right. I can't control that right so I won't allow that to be an excuse so what we do. Is We do the things to change the energy of what we're putting out. You cannot put your pitcher from Nineteen Seventy Lincoln makes you look younger right first of all. The picture just looks old right so like you can't do that. You have to be honest and and and and I worked with a very diverse group and I'm I'm a millennial and I work with a very diverse group of ages right and what makes those relationships really work is that we respect each other as people. Nobody's trying to be my mom. I hate when older people try to do that. right they try to parent younger millennials. They don't need you the parent then they already have parents and I'm sorry if they're rude they don't need you to parent them if you find. A millennials rude. You check them like how you were checking out adult because at that point what. They are but like we treat. Sometimes I find that older people. Treat millennials like kids their kids. There's a historical reason for that. I think a lot of organization sometimes hiring managers narcissistic higher themselves. They hire people they go find me somebody who and then I would look at the rack and I would say well you want an ivy league person. You're from an Ivy League background. You want somebody with this skill set. You have that skill set if your organization's in trouble why do you WanNa hire more of you? Maybe maybe maybe you have to do the opposite. Hire less of you hire somebody who has a completely different point of view. A different skill set off a different age point of view. Different cultural point of view. I do think so but I also think that more companies are going to happen back in professional development up their employees and I have to. They're going to have to invest it because if we invest is all companies. Just say you know what I want to make sure that my plays are trained that the best that they can be if everybody thought like that we would just have ecosystem of well-trained people leaving companies and going to another company. But if we don't think like that then. We're just hoarding and and not just hoarding preventing people from glowing. Because just because company a has they may not be opportunities from me to grow within this company company. B May Have those opportunities so employers. Also have to start thinking about. How do I make? Sure that the workforce is healthy is emotionally stable that those are important because if they're not emotionally stable and healthy we don't have a workforce if your company that has to respond quickly then the best you could ask for from your talent is at their evergreen skills are sharp law. What does that mean? Strong math strong science strong artistic skills and good interpersonal skills. I mean those things are evergreen. You should know how to relate to people you should also know how to exercise good emotional intelligence in a room full of diverse people because everybody's got their own point of view but sad but people don't that's another but within the company what they can do is respond to the emerging challenge and train and empower their people based on. What's happening in real time? No school no university can do that but the company can do it with University of bridgeport which I do a lot of work with because I sit on the board even them being able to say okay. We need certification right. You already have a degree things you need to brush up on something. We need certification. How quick to me roll out certification even to say if we have there's people that just want to more information schools are competing with that order. You Demi Linda. All of these self paced education sites that you can go on and stack up on certifications if universities. Don't meet that that's a problem. You know down here in the DC area especially northern. Virginia we have a high tech economy Ten percent of our workforce is high tech trained. That said we now have a completely new legislature. That has a different point of view and one of the things that they are going to be. Working on is the advent of clean energy Offshore Wind Solar Geothermal and bringing Virginia into the twenty first century in order to do that. Even smart people need to be certified in those technologies the leader in that Or one of the leaders in that is going to be Virginia's community college system they're gonNA earned their stripes by helping to 'cause it's efficient. They're built they're built for speed is to help the workforce get the training. They need efficiently so that Virginia can respond to the challenges of understanding. All these new technologies. And it's just not just these new technologies. How about the old technologies. How do you help somebody get out of a? Let's say working in a power plant where you're where you're managing legacy technology and the technology is used to burn coal or burn natural gas or something that's becoming outdated this is where University of bridgeport. This is weird community. Colleges throughout the country are going to be responding. I think I totally agree and I and I actually. I've when I'm writing up a report and I said that higher education both university and colleges should actually start playing the role of a community knowledge. Audit for like. How do we start keeping track of our informal informal knowledge base and that becomes data that we can use for companies? You know companies looking to move into bridgeport we show. Here's our in an eight talent that you don't see because they may not be always be degree right when you're in a community that's full immigrants and it's diverse like that you get a lot of different community knowledge that comes. That's never really documented education or certifications if anything an opportunity right there And I think that's a role community college 'cause college COMPLA- and they partner with community based organizations. We underestimate the role that those community are faith based organizations play in our communities. They are the trust between programs and the people so if the university start rolling out programs for like how do we start containing this community knowledge? You got a partner with organizations that the community's trust so have one last question for you Natalie and it's sort of a crystal ball question to gaze into the future you know ten or twenty years. What is your what do you think will happen? But also your hope for the community where you live from a from a talent standpoint. What things do you think will happen to make work more meaningful? What are things that you hope will happen in Bridgeport and southern Connecticut to make work more meaningful? Well I think we'll start to see is a lot more civic engagement and all levels. I think that we have to understand that with bridgeport from even the early twentieth century. There's just been so much that happened here. Good bad. She's been a lot and I often compare our city to. I hate to say but it gives some understanding kind of like an abuse victim and a right like you know it's been it's had companies. Come here move. It's been polluted We have a lot of land that still needs to be. You know taking care of that. We can't build on our school system is not is not good at all We have so many opportunities and I think sometimes when community has been hurt so much. It doesn't know how to make the decision like you. Just move the ability to be able to make a good system because the ecosystem is hurt I think bridgeport in some respect is her ecosystem however I do think bridgeport is a very proud ecosystem. One thing with fresh quarter since they love their city good or bad it is an amazing place and I think that as we move forward into the future we're going to see a lot of the highlights of Bush were come to light. We have access to over twenty miles of water. So we have ocean view access. We have beautiful beaches An active to two places where we can sit and look at the Water St Mary's by the beat by the heat and then we have seaside park which is a beautiful park zoo. And we are the transportation hub so I think that in the years to come value that bridgeport place the surrounding communities is going to speak volumes especially as we see the growth of cities that is something that's taking place as an emerging condition initiative throughout the country. Right so I wish port Eventually shining it has some work to do and itself and I think that's a I think the problems of rich-poor are not just bridgeport issues I think as a as a state we have work to do and as we can see as a country we have to. And you know I'm proud to have landed here and my little inside joke with myself is that I was born in Norwalk but I made in bridgeport. Well that's fabulous. That's Great Natalie. Price thank you so much. If somebody wanted to learn more about you on social media where would you point them? I would point you to my linked in page Natalie Price Lincoln I would definitely point you there. My website prices consulting DOT COM and that's a P. R. Y. C. E. L. E. S. S. Consulting. Thank you so much for walking the tightrope. Thank you very much Dan. For having given wonderful day our thanks go out to natalie price of priceless consulting the walking the tightrope with US links to her social media are included in the show notes for the episode. Which you can find at Dan. Smell DOT com on the tight rope. Our success is your success but we cannot build our community without your help and support so. Please ask five of your friends to check out. Our podcast point them to current and past episodes on our website at Dan. Small IN DOT COM or. They may subscribe by key. Wording the tight rope podcast wherever they get podcasts. And if you haven't done so already please join the dance. 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Episode 59: Miocic, Perry, Costa, Ngannou, Angle, Holm, many more

Five Rounds with Brett Okamoto

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Episode 59: Miocic, Perry, Costa, Ngannou, Angle, Holm, many more

"If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash p._t._i. Today's episode of area hawaii's m._m._a. Show contains explicit language. That may not be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to back in your life on this monday august nineteenth two thousand and nineteen. Hello again everyone. I'm marie a hawaiian hope. You're doing well on this monday afternoon. I am back from anaheim. California whoops and there goes my happy warrior fan dan which i will now move right over there. What a weekend. It was at the honda center in anaheim orange county once again eight time the you have c. Goes does anaheim and it seems like every time they go there. Something wild something memorable happens. You have c. Two forty one no different. We hyped it up. As the best part of the year. I think in particular the last three fights in totality proved to be everything we hoped and then some you'll romero holocaust what a great fight that was back and forth they went to behemoth. That's why i said it was the irresistible force meeting the move object and i saw a lot of the unstoppable force you dummies wrestlemainia three gorilla monsoon soon listen to the quote. The irresistible force meets the movable object hogan andre. That's what it was on saturday. Romero cost like throwing sledgehammers edge hammers at each other unbelievable fight so much athleticism will determination brutality involved in the end cost gets the nod. I thought romero juan initially that's the result u._c. One and i'm not suggesting by any stretch of the imagination that the numbers were were kind of toyed around with but i'm saying that it was a very close fight. It was not a robbery at all but this is what the division needed. They needed a fresh face. There's a beef there between wean kosta and israel sonya out of sonya finding robert whitaker on october fifth so this sets things up pretty nicely then we move along to the combing the long-awaited waited much anticipated return of nathan shows up to the open workout smoking. A joint doesn't show up to media day. I mean just a jolt of superstardom superstardom into the sport back into the sport. We miss this man so much and he looks like that and he fights like that. Great performance against anthony pettis pettus breaks his foot good in the first round. We could hardly tell he might need surgery great fight. I thought diaz won all three rounds. I thought he looked surprised. He was a little tired but he explained afterwards that he actually actually had to start the first round like it was the third because he's a slow starter. Sometimes and usually you know goes five rounds these days so he needed to start off quick. I thought that was a very interesting explanation. Shen and now you set up potentially nate the as versus home oswaldo holy smokes. He's a gangster but he's no west coast gangster. I mean really you put that at the top of a pay per view and you could sell that thing sands title. That's one of those few fights right. Now that can headline at pay per views sense title so so diaz is back and then of course in the main event st mitch is able to turn things around in the fourth round. I had him down three rounds to none. I thought in the first round on things were not looking good for him d._c. Looked phenomenal use the wrestling started to slowly but surely stray from the game plan and in the fourth round fourteen eighteen body shots from st bay to the right side of the body ended up being daniel corneas doing now we wonder what is next from so happy happy for steep a today's his thirty seventh birthday equally sad for daniel cormet who had been through so much throughout his life always second place look like he was on the cusp of going out on top a heartbreaking heartbreaking loss hard to see him in that state afterwards but still one of the all time greats at heavyweight and in the sport period a great turn of affairs and hey look now you can do the children you can. Maybe do a john jones ebay fight you can maybe do a who knows you can do dc against c._p._a. Three you may even make the case that now the d._c. We lost the belt. This is the opening to dc jones three. I don't know but <hes> very memorable stuff and some other great performances from the likes of siddiq yousef corey descend hagan with a big win. How about karma worthy on a week's notice against his friend devante smith lotte memorable things happen in anaheim this weekend so we'll talk about all that and a whole lot more on today's program. We've got a lotta show for all of you. Let's get to our lineup and get to our first guest of the day because i am excited. It has monday in bristol paul exotic bristol. Where else would you rather be four zero five. We're going to be joined by bausch shinya paolo costa about his big win over your merrill. Ask him if he's going in fact to melbourne in october and see what he thinks about that whole situation also see how he's feeling today three fifty. We're going to talk to stefan struve who is back. He's sort of retired. He took the gloves off but then he said you know what. I'm going to stick around. He's fighting december. Seven th against ben rothwell remember stefan struve outside of down cornea the only man to beat in the a._f._c. pretty amazing like seven years ago how 'bout game bread fighter himself or he must be is he fighting atheists samat has become a star superstar and that fight would be so huge. You saw the smile on his face that was like i was just thinking like catching a gene catching when he was smiling or touching checchi catching touching. You know what i'm talking about like the money anyway. The man's very happy you can you can tell by his face. Syndicate kurt angle will join us. The olympic gold medalist from nineteen ninety six. It's true it's true. What do you think of colby comington using his music. What did you think of henry suharto stealing his gimmick all that and more from kurt angle mike perry will join join us talk about the nose first interview since last weekend's fight in what way talk about the knows how he's feeling all that and more holly home first interview since her loss to manly nunez she has now been booked worked against raquel pennington on october fifth. We'll talk to her. What does francis in god who think about what happened saturday is he next for cpa the rematch of u._f._c. two twenty. We'll find out eddie alvarez back. I was thinking of eddie on saturday because he's been tied to nate and anthony pettus. What did you think of that flight. I said i'm tweeting a little bit about it. He had a big win a couple of weeks ago one champion. We'll talk about that. Nick newell is going to be in studio making his debut on saturday in bridgeport connecticut and we'll be joined by the birthday boy steep deep amiach the new. You've heavyweight champion in a bit but first. Let's go to one of the big winners on saturday. We have made a habit at a talking to this man after after a big win. He's having a lot of them. These days now won seven in a row there. He is my man corey san hagan corey. How are you. I'm good that area. How are you man. I'm doing really well. Congratulations on the victory and i understand that you are delaying a trip to disney just to do our show true or false true. I appreciate that that means a lot. I know how much people love disney. Have you been to disney before. I've never been to disney. I think i went to disneyworld when i was a kid but <hes> it was just get all the autographs so now i'm going to check out the rides and stuff okay so this is like you know the people who win the super bowl and then say i'm going to disney do me favor though friday friday night i went there before the show and i went on the guardians of galaxy ride which is essentially the tower of terror. I think it used to be called. Do we do not going that right. That is what it is pure. Hell it is the worst experience of my life so do me a favor. Don't do it for your own sanity. That's the one that my girlfriend's supposed excited sighted. Oh man listen everyone else happy. I was like mucus. Coming out of my nose is my mouth. I've never been so scared in my life. There are points where you're not even like. You're you're not even like you're. You're just levitating. You're not even sitting. It's it's. I was shaken up for a day so do me a favor. If you do do it give me a report afterwards i. I thought it was pure. Hell maybe i'm just a wuss but good luck guys if you if you end up doing that because i don't like that sort of thing anyway big win for you. We talked before the fight about how a sunset has a tendency to make some fights not that exciting and it's it's a hard spot to be in especially when you're on a roll like you are now that the fight is over where you happy with what you did out there really happy especially for someone. That's so good at controlling the minutes of every fight that he fights in i. I don't think that there is maybe maybe any minute that i even lost that. Fighter wasn't in control except for maybe a few little areas but <hes> i i mean i was completely dominant as far as controlling it and that's what i knew it was what was going to beat us on south so yeah. I'm super pumped with targeted at any point like you didn't seem to me but it didn't seem like he hurt you at any point that you were in trouble that you're rocked the you're in any kind of compromising situation right. Now i mean i don't my head hurts a little bit. I mean just in certain areas but i think maybe i got hit two or three times in the entire fight claim. How would you explain your confidence right now because it seems like you are fighting a at a very high confidence right like it just seems like you know that you're going in there. You're we're gonna dominate people giving. You're giving your skills given what you've been doing these days. I just feel that from you as opposed to maybe early on when you're trying to figure out how would you describe your confidence right now now. The delusion is becoming a reality show. Every fighter likes to live kind of in the delusion that they're the best guy in the world. I mean you hear that all the time and i mean you never really know if you're living in delusion or if you're living in reality and so you actually get tested in those times so i mean gene. I'm starting to live in the reality of my one's previous delusions. You happen to talk to dominic cruise before after the event. I know you guys had that interesting running a a couple of nights ago. Did you have to talk to him. This time no i didn't i was introduced to his mom in the hotel lobby after though and she was really nice nice okay so no trash talking tension or anything like that no no no okay and would it be fair to say that you kind of like when he calls your fights it does that motivate you having in their cage side <hes> i don't. I don't really think about it. Okay <hes> it's it's cool. I g- aspen <hes>. I'm not like a starboy for him. You know estar phanor so <hes> i mean it's cool but it's not something that is on my mind signed violent fighting or anything. Here's my joe rogan though joe rogan. I'm a huge fan of joe rogan. Now is cool to meet him yesterday l. k. that was your first time meeting him yeah man. That is my fist fight. That was the first one that he's called for me. Okay because you you were on the fight nights before that right. <hes> okay all right all right so you're big joe rogan mark there. There's nothing wrong with that but here's my here's my my concern right now those four in a row at bantamweight seven in a row overall looking very good in the n._f._c. but you kind of lay out the division alright. Frankie's moving down favors the legend out there. You know who's who's back in the mix. You've got so who's does still injured in nursing that yang and sterling you have the same winning streak as sterling by the way for some reason you're not talked about in the same sort of vein dominant cruises coming back. Where does this leave corey san hagan. I feel like i feel like we're staring at twenty ferguson situation here where you might have to win the eleven in a row before even sniffing a title shot. I hope that that's not the case i i'm. I'm still trying to figure out how all that works held the entire area of promoting fights and stuff works but i think right now. I'm kind of okay with it. I i wanted some type of interim bell. After this i i mean i don't really know where the division is like. You said like everything <hes> <hes> kind of all over the place and i looked at the top ten just the other day with frankie coming down in favour back like it seems like it's going to be very hard to convince people into need fighting for a bell after this even the next one so for me. It's not about weather. I'm earning or if i'm deserving it in my head. Everyone in this top ten is very very similar stylistically and if anyone's going to beat henry pseudo in the division it's gonna be me and that's all that i can really say whether i earned earned or deserved that fight i don't know but i know that i'm the only one who is most likely going to beat this guy in the division other than just being very confident in yourself. Why do you feel feel that way. What about your skills his his skills make you feel that way. One i would say it's the style that me and my coach <unk> have put together for myself where i can really maximize my advantages known houses this tall. No one else is this fast else. Has this game for work so <hes> need being able to maximize on that along with my physical abilities are just makes for a nightmare for someone to try to figure out fifteen minutes like i. I know it sounds weird but we've put together a style that has been tested through the test of time. It's not something that like south knew exactly what i was gonna do and he couldn't do anything about it. He knew that i was going to control the range. He knew that i was going to press her and he he hit me. You know what i mean. What does that set especially with such like like a guy who's a legend and he did a few things that were very smart. He didn't try to take me down by taking a shot all his take downs that he attempted on me and he got got me down by his epilogue top every single time anyways but all of those were off of catching leixoes sons out came in with a very good game player countering the low kicks every a single time like came in with a very very good game plan and still had nothing for me so i think that that really speaks to like what i'm doing in direction. I'm going my my style. Is it's just a superior speaking of that that hide you're you're five foot eleven right. How are those way cuts going feel. Eventually you have to tax this process because at some point it's going to get a little tougher as your career goes longer. Is it relatively easy now. It's relatively easy. I'm very disciplined man like i. I'm okay with giving up a lot of things in my life in order for this to be the number one priority for the next probably ten years that i'm doing this is hopefully so <hes>. It's not hard as long as i stay on top of it. If i'm on top of it it's not tough. I'm not gonna take a fight. That feels too short notice for me. Miss wait ever so so they're not as hard as a lot of people would seem but yeah i look at myself in the cage huge. 'cause i always grew up really small so i kinda had like a little man complex where i grew eight inches in one year in high school so i went into high. School may be at four foot seven so my entire life. I was the little guy and then for need to go out and see how much bigger i am than these guys looks weird on camera to make is in my is there a little bit closer in size did that it hurt like that kind of growth spurt that painful. I don't recall. I don't remember getting a lot of cramps in my legs gruber here by yeah. I guess i guess <hes> i guess i did cramp up a lot. Are we still are. We still with the other job as well or you focusing one hundred percent on these days his no. I'm still at my facility. Mount saint vincent's there really cool about me working around training schedule so <hes> on still working with the kids. It's not that much to be honest. It's really hard to form a relationship with with the group of kids that we have on such little hours on working every week but i try to look at it more of adam giving these people a break because it's a it's a pretty harshly exhausting job so if i can go in for a few hours a week can kinda like help out with them and give them little breaks here and there throughout today then that's worth it to me are they. Are they watching your fights. Now like now that you're doing so well your p._i._n. Is this a big deal. <hes> i would say it's a big deal. Yeah i mean <hes> they. They definitely yeah they. They got a crew together and everyone all of my co. Oh workers will go to some bar and watch it together and send me videos of them cheering and stuff afterwards so yeah. I'd say it's a big deal to them. That's amazing so okay so since we've established by the way how do you feel i'm hearing that they're trying to do sterling versus frankie edgar. How do you feel about sterling getting that match up. I i don't know edgar. I would guess probably wins that fight. <hes> you think so. I think so <hes> frankie's good man frankie. You did not look bad against max you know. The only question is from is like is frankie going to handle that cut down to thirty five okay <hes> so i i don't know i i don't know man. It's really tough because everyone in this division right now for me is going to be a banker of a fight. You know like i was looking at the top six seven guys like even if it's me and mariah mariah sir mian yawn or <hes> me and crews are in favour me and frankie or mehan al joe like thank all of those are going to be anger so whoever i get next man it's gonna get a lot of attention and if it's now for about who cares anyways so in a perfect world for you who makes like who who do you see that is even out there. I throughout moore is who do you see as potential all of them. Honestly i see it all of them mm-hmm. I think i think maybe the top three. I don't know when cruises coming back but maybe the top three would probably either be is yang or cruise. I think that those three fights those three fights. I think would would do offer me probably more so on the on the end of crews do a little bit more for me yon. I don't think i i think he's <unk> too so i would like to fight someone a little bit more established so that it grows named a little bit more but <hes> yeah i think that those top three would i sure be bankers and it would be honor to fight all those guys they're. They're very good. Well you continue to do your part. My man all you do is win at this point. I guess and i think you have put a lot of people on notice. I think it's a shame that you're not being discussed among those those guys like sterling in yawn but hopefully after a win over how you start to get that respect a little bit so congratulations congratulations on making it look too easy. Maybe maybe it's that yeah. Maybe it's yes you something like that against heartfelt very impressive so congrats enjoy the victory enjoy dizzy and let me know if you guys survived. There's a picture little picture after when you walkout yeah yeah yeah. Please just be ready for and don't eat beforehand because you're we're gonna throw up. If you do all right all good advise pass it on all right. Enjoy thank you corey congrats area advocates show there is corey san hagen one of my favorites right now doing such great things has won seven in a row congratulations to him all right. Let's not make our next guest wait any longer. I am so happy that he is joining us. He is the new raining defending u._f._c. heavyweight champion. He defeated daniel cormie in the fourth round on saturday in anaheim via t._k._o. He went to the body body repeatedly in fact he went fourteen time so the body in that fourth round alone. He is the pride of ohio. He is steep amiach the judge steve how are you. I'm tired of other me man. I know how on a scale of one to ten. How much do you not want to do this right now number for those i love you. I am the champion trivia game. It's obligation for me to do it. Yes i appreciate ashamed. You remembering that you you didn't mention it at all week. I thought you would both the fact that you know with. People saying you're looking for a new title that you already are champion. I had to get a new belt by the way because you took hook by belt home but this man right here is the proud owner of this title. This man won the trivia challenge in june but c._p._a. By the way by the way let's not waste any time i want to say to you one very important thing bird to you ever happy birthday dear sti a happy birthday to you face a the last man thirty seven right he said oh my gosh wow that case way better than mine. I'd even have a candle and i hope you appreciate appreciate the gesture. It's akara kate. It's beautiful so any plans for the birthday planned. <hes> no no plans. I think my i found my komo models. Come over. She's working social pack more this week anki. She's busy but my parents <unk> rice parents might come over over just just relaxing as just get the paw <unk> rest beat up as good fight yeah. How is your body feeling. Oh you did take some big shots in the first three rounds. Are you feeling physically or that's fine more. My hands just sorta short <unk> anything that might beat up always get beat up and it's a good site a bruise like a peach right so look great. I feel great. I hope pretty quickly quicker. <unk> beat up what is going through your mind going into the second round. That first round was pretty much. All dc couldn't have gone any better under for him. What are you thinking are. Are you still confident or are you still composed or are you starting to worry at all. I'll stay for a good. I just got my ahead on but man. I was frightened <unk> terrible. The first round earlier was alexia goes in quicksand ads can can get out of it. Yea i started opening up at thirty. Fourth rats reopened up yet and saw the have you ever felt that way before. You just felt like you couldn't get going in a fight. <hes> not really he'd surprise you with anything that he did early on news like yours. You know came in later on news coming aw but i just thought maybe it was. Maybe lowering rests where i have no idea but it's a little bit he'd gone. I'm happy listen. I don't care how it starts. Let's start by finish right. What did your coaches that adjustment and i think he came from marcus manelli to start going to the body going into the fourth round and was that something you guys worked on. He was like hey there. You need to start exploiting this or was this an adjustment that he made midway through the fight. Now as actually we talked about a week <unk> near that is open. We actually talked about camp in high. He finds her they. Do you know do it as it okay. He's he's my coach. I listened to if it wasn't for him. I wouldn't be here all my coaches right. Could you tell early on with some of those punches that it was really starting to hurt him is wincing <unk> academics <unk> winning right and were you surprised that he he didn't try to wrestle you more especially after the success that he had in the i was just that one day town get right away. It was like big pygmy outscores right right. I was kind of mad. I was mad at other. What are you what are you thinking when you're up like it seemed like thirty seconds on his shoulder more like ten or so but what are you thinking of mine. I know <unk> suplex me john d._d._t. Me w._b._z. staff as weird yeah. I was waiting for you on our top these topics here's ground ground control china weather. This storm yeah great dance moves by the way many towns. I didn't know that not that. I was dumb. That was the star search <unk> <unk> driving cover the moment now when you say it was done they shouldn't have done it. Do did you say because you feel like it was rubbing it energy because you feel like you're not a good dancer. No nine <unk> cut up at the moment right. Have have you practiced that before. Was that the first time you pull off nasdaq. So where does your are few beers <unk>. I'll do it well. You look great in that moment. It was very impressive. You're very <unk> agile on your feet. I mean we know that you're a great boxer but not quite dancer so it was nice to see you wish by moving down the first rather better yeah could you you take a step back now. Steve i mean we've talked many times over the past year about the frustration. I remember talking to you two weeks after the july you i've never seen you so mad before or because you were dismissed seconds after that loss in july of two thousand eighteen brock walks in there he disparages your name all that and everything that you guys had to go through you and your management your family family just waiting waiting for the opportunity. They offered you fights. You didn't take the fights. You want that title fight. You wanted the rematch. You stuck to your guns now. Thirteen months later had that belt in back of you to be champion again. Can you describe the emotions that you're feeling on this monday a glass case i was crazy now. Actually i'm just happy lesson blessed very lucky to have the opportunity to to get my title and just i'm happy that my mazing wife's family friends coaches behind me and away very lucky very lucky person. I'm sure there was a part of you at one point that maybe you wouldn't get this cracking and because of politics not because you didn't deserve it but you know with the brock stuff and who knows how that plays out i mean i'm sure there was a party. That may be lost. Hope at at some point throughout this process right <hes> yeah i times might now unroll from gotta. Get it but an alarm <unk>. It's gonna work out now. What do you do. I'm not going to dwell on it. Yeah towards the end of your title run. The relationship with the brass was a little frothy st. How would you describe it now. We're going to charge last night. It was good yeah good. You let dana put the belt around your ways yeah. Hey target now. You don't wanna let your coaches do it again. This time of you very thoughtful thoughtful. Things were said leading up to the fight are they're still hard feelings there man. It's all business doing while he's okay. I'll automobiles up amazing fighter. We had a great fight. I think a lot of people appreciated. That's i loved it is from the fans love to see thanks to guys who to warriors and he's he's amazing fight or not. He he gets all our credentials. He needs it although a pro the praise because he's tumors missing further and it's nice for the city of cleveland who now seems like are very far from winning anything for cleveland guy to win something right talk. Come on. Let's go to a pretty good game aspects. I brace number. One wildcard browser could star and we've seen this lloyd look turkey. You think that's how i saw lebron. You see lebron shot you out. Did you see that ushered recall. Yeah and i think your first title defense now as champion again has to be back in cleveland that scene was to we gotta do it. What do you think i am. Allison is one of the first year we might cake. It's written <unk> wait. Did you hang up on me. You might have hung up on us. I know him with the cleveland can reconnect. I just have a couple more questions for the champ who is celebrating his thirty seventh seventh birthday. We are the same age. I'm apparently a little over a month older than the trivia challenge. Oh you're calling him back all right yes yes. He is the trivia challenge. Halawani knows trivia challenge chant. He is a proud owner. We're going to do that again probably november so perhaps he'll be able to successfully defend his title shocked a lot of people he was a big underdog going into that event and was able to dominate rather thoroughly early his knowledge very impressive and his fighting skills and now we've come to learn his dancing skills very impressive as well with that little jig that he did after beating daniel cormet on saturday in the fourth round. He's about to go off and celebrate. His birthday. Just had a couple more questions for st bay before we get to our in studio guests. Nick newell also proud member of the n. w. Oh by the way the newell world order. He's fighting about to our st barry there. I am. I'm sorry no problem. I thought i pissed you off with that question. You're like enough of this guy said about private. I i just wanted to ask before. I wanted to ask before i let you go. It seems like there's three i n please don't get mad at me for asking but it'd be remiss if i don't. There's there's there's a trilogy gee. There's an in ghana rematch or i think a john jones fight shorts. What do you think through questions are go up up at figuring out mirror. Okay you're not leaning or interested in one thing over the other just trying to break today matt gary career break okay okay. Is it fair to say you're done for the rest of the year are about ask somebody <unk> detroit. My character can come out testing is that you look at that that whose arms are those are impressive arms right there. Oh my god look at those biceps. Wow sintas curls everyday unbelievable ask. What do you think of the new belt you like it better than the order. Also i like your school is nice. I do like it okay and this of course your first time fighting a dad. Now you win the belt. Did you have a moment with your daughter. Did you show her the belt. I know she's only a year old. But what was that like you know being able to share that with her. She cares what part of the toys for. You must have been cool right. It was it was awesome. Just ought not to wake up with <unk> we f you allegations after the site and so we got back to the hotel room find one or two as it's like a rock and she woke up she were there. She woke up at <unk> doesn't only guy sorry sorry about that gnome. Awfully that's terrible but anyway yeah. It was just amazing. The russell was awesome. Well enjoy this deep a very happy for you once again congratulations on the win welcome back you. Did it and again happy birthday. Should i send this to you guys or should i eat the cupcake. What do you think i should do. I'm right indulge in that. When you eat okay thank you and by the way we're having the trivia challenge in november if you want to defend the more important title n. w. o. belts you're more than welcome was going to be a new york city m._s._g. M._s._g. for it this time i mean if they get a repeat all right we'd love to have you for now though enjoy the day <hes> enjoy the belt. Enjoy your family and thank you for doing this. I know how much jim had to convince you to do it. I appreciate it very much actually existed. I would love to thank you. I i don't believe you but thank you. I appreciate that story. Okay all right. Thank you c. Bay congrats man torture. Thanks road all right there. He is the new heavyweight champion steep amiach now a two time champ because not only has he won the heavyweight title twice but he's the champ and he's the heavyweight champion view of c. so he's a champ champ in his own right pretty amazing all right so that's his story now. Let's not waste any time. Let's say hello to the man nick newell who's joining us. Look that that we go from one man to the next. How are you nick. Thank you for joining us for having me on. It's great to have you here this as the chair bounces away. You're wearing shorts. Schwartz is a freezing for you and here is a freezer. Yes i know this is how i dress. Oh okay well how far d'you live from here by the way bristol connecticut forty forty minutes. Maybe okay not too bad. You should come visit us more often. I know her neck of the woods. Invite me i'll come through. I will you by the way you're sort of a proud member of the different in the newell world and we will you did i. I did the play on words. I i'm stealing the. We're the nose world order. Oh yes because yes exactly congratulations on this opportunity this big deal deal. You're making your debut this saturday in your backyard essentially bridgeport connecticut webster bank arena against cory brownie how far you live from bridgeport about ten minutes from the arena from bridgeport. I live on about five minutes but the arena is about ten minutes. Let's grew up in milford connecticut which is about fifteen minutes from there and now i live in trumbull connecticut. Which is the next town over from from bridgeport so i was actually really if you are my instagram. I just posted a video <hes> driving past it because i was going to somewhere and i pass on all the time well pretty cool. It's pretty motivating and it's really good to have something that i can give back to. My fans have been there for me since day. One can come and see the people i grew up with. It's literally right there fall in connecticut but not my hometown well an hour hour and a half away so this one's good all the time to take. It's going to be really happy okay. So how did this this whole thing. Come about because you took the year off. You came back. You wanna look good and you're always hoping for that big opportunities a big stage had of this deal a belt or happen mm-hmm yeah so <hes> you know i had i had i took some time off yup because i was having my son so my wife was pregnant and as our first first kid so i wanted to be there for her and support her family i over everything but the whole time i was training and i was getting better i was like i i knew what i had to work on and i wanted to fix those things and when you have a fight camp it's hard to do those. Things is why camps all about timing in audit camp is all about technique so i just worked on my technique technique improve my technique and fix things i thought needed fixing and jumped right back in there and and one one fast and and you know i was a little banged up from the camp but i took i took like two weeks off and start training in and this opportunity came to me and i'm jumping on it and so correct me if i'm wrong. This'll one ideal right. Yes a one fight deal okay so it seems like perhaps because you're a big draw in connecticut. You helps a lot of tickets as you said. They're putting you on the card but it's also opportunity for you to. They've opened the door for you to burst through that door correct. Yes so ideally i want to. I want to go go fight for balladur and raise my stock so by fighting for for bell tower is a big opportunity. It's a big arena near my house. <hes> <hes> you know they're giving me a good push which is cool. You know i'm ready. I'm i'm gonna win this. I am very confident but it's like an audition. Listen to me to me. It's like i win this fight and then <hes> belts or will hopefully offer me a really good contracting nice long-term something where i i can grow with them and and be a part of the organization have they said to like you know do good things impresses and then we'll talk their clause in the contract where they they get the right to the sign you first anything like that. No it's just one can go literally sign somewhere else on sunday morning. Technically i could yeah looking looking to do that. No i actually very i. I appreciate the people that give me opportunities for <hes>. You know hopefully i can i can land. I'm in a good opportunity with belmore after this and grow from there especially since they come to connecticut all the time and they do. I've gone all over the place to fight and traveled. It's easier on your final home. Could you even put a number on how many tickets you sold your such a huge draw here in connecticut you. If you have any idea basically i mean they gave me a bunch of tickets sold them and then i told a bunch of people like hey. Can you meet me at my. Can you meet me. I'm like no. I'm not meeting you. I'm training for a fight. Buy it online so i told a bunch of people to buy online lines. I definitely definitely couple hundred tickets. Can you describe the feeling going into this. One compared to the fight on contender series seems like there are similarities right like you have to win this fight to get the big. You know the big contract next. How do you feel compared to last year. Yeah it's good. I'm different different. I'm a different person now that i am also you know <hes> i'm a father now. I've matured a little bit. I kind of figure out the things i need to work. I made some changes ages and <hes> and even in that fight you watch fight. I thought it was a good fight. You know i'll say that he won. That's cool but there's like not a really really a a lot about him that you know he could end up being the champion he could be a great fighter and i i took it to him that fight you know and i got taken down and controlled so i i worked on that. I i fix things that need fixing and non back and and and i know that me i know i belong amongst the elite and and i've been asking for these opportunities and bell towards giving it to me so i'm very appreciative of that. You said you change. Some things like what i just. I just my schedule. I i run my own. Gym in connecticut is called fighting arts academy him advertising and right now. We're moving to milford next month. We're in west haven okay now. That means is anything but for my connecticut people so i kinda mix up my schedule i brought in some coaches that i was doing everything everything on my own so i brought in some coaches that i like to work with and now allows me some time to work with them also travel up to springfield on massachusetts where my head coach fighting arts academy jeremy ali shah. I've been working with since day one. I go to him more and i just get more time in you know because i'm i'm trying to provide for my family and with some steady income and also become an elite fighter and and it's it's kinda in a hard to to balance but i feel like i found that balance and and right now my timing everything my weight cut my camp. My team is awesome and i built a great thing in connecticut connecticut and i have a a great system that revolves around me when i fight and i really like that as opposed to having to do everything yourself you want. You want to be the star of the show right. You don't wanna just be another cog in the wheel. I yeah i just i prefer the small camp for myself boxing right more like a couple more like a boxer rates. It's it's not a knock on the big teams because the big teams have the most guys the best guy so you know but <hes> it's just it's different people thrive under different environments and found a really good thing here in connecticut. I saw a photo on your instagram recently where you were with glover to shera yes with him. Is that is. Is that a new thing as well yeah. I recently started working with him. A little bit more <hes> you know in the future are gonna add more time with him and figuring my schedule but but he's a very motivating guy live his gyms about thirty five minutes from my house which could pretty convenient and and obviously he's one of the best fighters in the world so <hes> governor i have a good relationship and and we get along really well and he's just a great guy so if there's that tool there in connecticut that's right there. I'm i'm gonna use it and and he was welcomed at jim and i couldn't be more appreciative is a nice to be. Perhaps it's on the cusp of getting something secure from big organization because i see on twitter like you're campaigning two things you have to kind of raise your hand and say i'm here you. You guys are gonna connecticut your neck of the woods. Those days could be over if things go well on saturday. You know what i mean like. I'm sure at some point you don't wanna keep doing that right yeah i. I i definitely don't i mean i had the i had a lot of buzz around me. You know in in world series of fighting and i went four and one there had some some really great fights and then i was worn out injured beat up and i had a moment where i was a little weak and a little. We'll just done with it so i took some time off on and i came back and i kind of had to start over so it was. I'm okay with that. You know. I don't feel like i'm special or deserve anything more than anyone else. I just like fighting and i i love challenging aging myself if i have to ask for something or or throw my my name in there. I don't mind it but it's better when when people are asking for you when fighting for year so hopefully after this fight i'll i'll definitely i won't have to ask anymore. He will be asking me yeah. I haven't talked to a minute after the contender series fight. How did how did you handle that being so close and not realizing that dream. How was that on you this game. This game is crazy crazy. Now i to be honest with you. I did what i could. I prepared to the best of my ability. I went in there to fight. I went in there to get the finish and and sometimes these these things they don't work out the way they you hope you know and they contender series is a relatively new show but there's been guys that have lost on the ultimate fighter and came back and then champion so it's not a determination of of skill or lack of skill. It was just on this given day. He was a better guy i so. I'm not even really bother. Of course i'm upset. I wish i one. I tried my hardest but i know where i belong. I trained with these guys. You know i do do my swamp camp thing but i also go to other gyms and cross train with people and i know where i stand. I'm not here to embarrass myself. I wouldn't do this if i didn't think that i was ready. I wouldn't ask ask for these opportunities if i didn't know that i was capable of competing because one thing is because of my arm i get a lot more attention but also it's not all positive attention a lot of it's negative and it's a lot of people that can't wait for me to lose. We could say i told you so. I knew i know he doesn't belong you know and then people are on one side or the other really it's like. You're you're really here. You're down with me or you're. You're not with me and for me. It's like like <hes> kind of ignoring that and just being real with myself is is an is an important thing and not letting people's opinions stop you but i know what i'm capable capable of and no one's perfect and i know that i'm going to have my day and i know that i'm gonna be able to do things in this game name. You know if you look at my fight with just engage. He's very good fighter. I heard him multiple times. The fee i ended up losing but i did better than some guys that are ranked top ten in the world and not a knock on those guys but you know we had a dog fight so it's really the the contender series fight. You don't know anything about this guy that i thought so you know so it's it's whatever you know to me and it's like there's nothing you can do about it except get better and that's exactly what i've done. I've gotten better and now i'm fighting for bell tower and i'm gonna. I'm gonna make a statement. I'm just wondering if you were down afterwards. If you want to take a break if you checked out if you need i know you're about to become a dad. Had you know what i mean like how you handled that there was so much surrounding that fight right. This was the big opportunities. I mean the most talked-about guy on that season in my opinion yeah. I think that was the biggest fight that the shows that ever had i am not surprised you know but i'm just trying to not be grounded like definitely with you know after the fight i was sad so i ate a bunch of food. That's really bad and got a little fat and then i was like i gotta gotta keep going. Gotta gotta get back on tracking and literally. I was back training within like a week or two okay and i was trained that why i was still in in las vegas because one of my fighters had a fight out there guy just in sumter had a fight so i had a corner him so i stayed out there and i trained while i was there. Okay you know right after my fight i wasn't on. I just wanted to be there for my wife and support her so that's why i'm off okay. You're always planning on taking time off. It had nothing to do with the loss. Yeah i mean it's just the weather opportunities present themselves right you know and and after that no one really was was reaching out to me and i was training getting ready in case anyone came to me and see e._s._m._a. Is like a great organization. I love them. All i recommend recommend any fighter fights for c._s. 'cause they take great care of their fighters and they give you opportunities and they came to me and they were nick. We really want you to fight on our car and beginning opportunity and now i'm here yeah that helped you get back into the yeah the public eye and whatnot had this bill to opportunity dot com after that one do you were you planning on still keep on going like would you have been happy continue to fight for us. I think they're a great organization. <hes> maybe i wouldn't fought this summer but i was still training and when the opportunity came i was already in shape and i was feeling great and i was like you know what maybe i'll maybe l. skip. I'll skip the barbecues and the beach. I'll just train because you only get you only get one life to do this stuff and i'm not really here to waste too too much time so i really focused in and i'm i'm ready to go and it was it was a little bit shorter notice than i usually get it but it actually worked out fantastic already in shape when they called me and i fell into aspect and it really. I'm very very excited. I've we've had years where doing camps and i get hurt or something happens and and this camp everything has gone great and i can't don't really complain about anything and you know i've. I'm ready to go. I'm surprised they put you on the prelims. I'm i'm sure you don't care. I know you're not gonna make a big stink but like considering what you just said about contender series. You're as well known as probably every other fighter except for the guys in the main event who maybe even these days more people who you are sergei fiery tarnow right like the the newer fans so i'm surprised they put you on the prelims. Well stick with your people so the one ideal so it kind of makes sense dance to put the guys that they have more long term. They're going to build around on the main card so that's what even though i have more followers on bigger following. It's still will it makes sense to me. You know it'd be nicer if i if i was on the main card because i at least get more sponsors you know oh yeah but but you know i'll i'll make it work and i'll do my thing and go out there and make a statement and they'll put me on the on the broadcast anyway you see. I feel you like the matchup itself. You've versus browning leads me to believe that they're not just looking at you as a one off because browning has a little thing going on himself. He beat kevin ferguson junior baby slice. He then beat aaron. Charmers like these are guys that they had high hopes for so now. Maybe they're putting him in this spot as being like you know the the rising star killer hiller whatever you wanna call even though i feel like you're kind of past that point anyway but you know what i mean but if you beat him now. You're the guy who stopped him. He's not just some schmo that they picked off that. We don't know there's a story there so i i feel like they're subtly investing you as well even though they gave you one fight. You know what i mean yeah. No i felt the same way and i i really appreciate that from them and the thing about a him is he's a he's a good well rounded fighter. I studied him. You know i'm prepared for hand. You know about him before yeah because he when he fought baby slice. It was in connecticut so i was there okay. Can i watch it. You know you get to guys like like those guys aren't at your level though chalmers and and in an baby slice in in i obviously watch the fights that they had with <hes> he's had with them and he beat them but these guys don't have the experience that i have. I think that they both there's little things about them. Were in the future. I think they'll be very good but right now. They're not ready for it and i'm ready for it and i have the composure in the experience that these guys don't have so. They fell apart later in the fight. I'm not gonna fall apart like that. In a fight is this is my eighteenth professional fight and my twenty first fight overall so like you take someone that's had like five fights inverse someone that's had twenty. No one fights is very different right. That's a great point. When did you start. When was your debut. What year i turned pro ten years ago. <hes> two thousand nine turned pro and i had my first flight in two thousand eight one thing that i've wondered you often see like when when you see someone on a big stage on television who is like you doing well that spawns like a new generation of people and maybe it's too. It's too soon but i'm wondering if anyone who's also congenial amputee has come to you and said i want to be a fighter. There is well. Have you trained with it. I've never seen you in photos or anything with other fighters. Are there anyone out there. No am i wrong. You're wrong okay here wrong all right so i guess message from people that wanna be fighters all the time and my message to them is like i give them tips and give them advice in mindset stuff but like a lot of that you can have to figure out i've had kids come to me and i've done lessons with them but there's a guy that fights for lyon fly his name's jake peacock i corner and when he fought in new york city okay okay. He is a destroyer now. He's not a guy. He's a k fox. Okay okay right but he's he's a young guy too. He's like maybe early twenties maybe twenty twenty one you know like young guy and he he just had a sensational knockout in his life. I debut okay drains with you. I'd no he was just in new york city. Okay just talk so he's like. Hey you wanna come new. I fight and help out in the corner so i went to him and he won by knockout in like thirty seconds and then he won again in the first round and before me there was a kickboxer baxter humby who was amazing in a world champion and now and then in grappling jean jacques machado was a fantastic grappler so on. I feel like i'm not the i i won't be the last but in m._m._a. Just the biggest name for or mixed martial arts but it's also i'm not a contest sure some some guy came along and that was amazing one hand out with things that is like the coolest thing ever you know and it's good to see see that like i said before that you can be a victim of your circumstances or you create your own in in you can sit there and be like all life's so hard for me or i can't do this or that earned but the reason why but i feel like people like me 'cause they can relate to me because everyone has their struggles. I don't think that my path was harder better than anyone else is. I don't think it took me like oh. I did this and i overcame that you'll never hear me saying that. Of course it was hard you know of course of course i had to do a lot and i had to deal with a lot in and do that but everyone has problems in. Everyone has things going on in their life that that people can't let's see mine you can just you can see it and it's obvious what i'm going through and i feel like a lot of people can relate to me because of without you ever hear from kids from back in school who might have been mean to you the now see what you do for a living and apologize or anything like that. I mean people really there's the truth is growing up. I always had a lot of friends and like people would obviously say little things about me and and i would always be quick to defend myself and i didn't really allow myself to be bullied because i always on kind of had a little cadogan me. I was always kind of tough. It wasn't until the i started becoming popular fighter and the internet that people really started sorry bullying me really really man people are mean. Yes you know but i know there's a lot of kids out there. I spoke to a lot of kids that definitely get bullying and are in different circumstances so in in my head i i've always just kind of just been like whatever you know type type a guy so maybe people have said things that have been very mean to me in the past and people have made comments that are very mean but i kind of just just kind of roll with them and just ignore for the most part. I don't really like a drama or issues or conflict that much so i know it sounds crazy but i just i have enough problems. I have enough real world problems that i deal with things that i have to worry about in my life that i don't need. That'd be arguing that someone on the internet of something right and like you said very very well. People are very mean yeah you. Do you read the comments as much these days. I know like early on your very active on social media. How are you now. Have you changed your ways if you if you on my <hes> if you're on my instagram i'm gonna see it. <hes> follow it but sometimes those comments. I don't even really read them in in the article i mean you you get the same comments every time so you go through and you see article about me and it's gonna be the same thing like either like i can't. I can't wait to zia's guy fight. He's amazing. I love him like new world order stuff like that and then you get people that are like all he saw. He lost his just in case. You know like like i'm like okay but he's a lot of people it's just let's chill out roy okay and then you get people that are like all his opponent. We'll have the upper hand. Got a hand to this guy on two thumbs up for this guy in on. It's just like stupid. Stuff is very low hanging fruit and it doesn't really affect me anymore. You know so it's like i know exactly what the comments are gonna say so i don't even i don't even read it. You mentioned that you just became a dad. How's how's fatherhood <hes>. It's the best old is your son now. My son wyatt is eight months now. He was born on december seven. Th which is actually the same day that i won the world title would change my life and i same i'm dave i won the second world series of fighting really <hes> fight so it's kind of a very significant day to me aside from the whole pearl harbor harbor thing which was horrible but you know it was kinda kind of a crazy crazy day of all days to be born and you feel like you know. I was just talking about this and i remember you know. Ceremonies talked about this so you had your first fight very recently yeah as dad. You feel like you approach the fight differently now. Well not really to be honest with you. I appreciate the m people have asked me this question and the way that i look at it is poly different from other people so you have to fight. I have to provide for my family. I have to do this but the truth is like all mya do is go out there. You're in training starred as i can and and fight the best that i can and give it my all and never give up and give it everything i have and your family's gonna love you. No matter matter what all the people that you have to fight for your family is like the last people you should be worried about. My wife and my son are going to love me no matter what so. I don't feel any extra pressure being a father than than i did before. I'm doing this because i love it. I could do anything. I want and be good at it. That's my mindset if i dedicate myself to anything i'm going to be going to be good at it because i'm going to go that extra mile and make sure that i'm the best. You know if if i really love it. I'm going to do it so for me. That's m._m._a. And that's my goal and if there was ever something else i wanted to do. I i will go full steam ahead and now but there's not right you know and my family sees how hard i work. They see everything i put in and my son has no idea because he's a baby sure but like my wife sees that and and she's on me because i'm a good fighter. She owes me because the person so there's no extra pressure for my family no one in my family ever push me to be anything. I just always made all the decisions of things i wanted to do on my own own and they support me you know i no one in my family even played sports before me well. So you know my my wife was actually a really good athlete. Most athletic and high school division to ten s like good athletes so she understands the hard work part and everyone around me in my community and my people they all support me so as good. I apologize if this is a stupid question <hes> but was there any concern turn that your son would be born with one hand as well as that's all it. That's all wild question. It's stupid nah. I so there's no ashtrays not that is he's not stupid so there's <hes> there's what i was born. I honestly don't know why i was i was on hand and like i'll go and speak to kids. It'll be like oh. I was one like this because because i never looked into it really there's certain on using you can be born non. They never told me okay interesting so i on. I know that there's certain things that are already terry but i know that this is this is not that's why i had. I had a very popular buehler post i did that was joking so we're at the midwife and she was doing the ultrasound and they said ten fingers ten toes and i said already off to a better star than daddy and the midwife like didn't get it. She didn't laugh at all because she get my sense of humor and my wife's like nick shot up so but definitely i mean it's to me. It's not a big deal. You know i mean that you can like. I said it's not how far back you start. If you're willing to run faster you consoling the race right so if i had a son that was worn without a leg arm whatever it wouldn't be a big deal because i know that he fine 'cause i was able to go through it but <hes> and he wasn't you know and and it was never concerned. I love the fact that i it feels like you're the story of the weekend. There's no you see this weekend. There's there's just this one big event. There's there's other smaller shows but to me. Even though you're on the prelims you getting this opportunity after everything that you've been through <hes> is really really great and i think it's quite frankly it's about time. Biltmore gives you this chance because they know they've been to connecticut enough to where it would have been wanted in the past. Maybe this was the right time your dad now as you said. Did your little more mature. You had that time off. Maybe he was supposed to happen now as opposed to a couple of years ago yeah everything happens for a reason and i appreciate the opportunity that they're giving me and it's definitely the right time and i feel like a lot of people are interested in my fight and it's going to be is going to be. It's going to be a bank here. He you know i mean i'm gonna go out. There and i'm gonna lay it all out on the line and i'm gonna do what i do best and that's when fights you feel good. W. isn't enough like you have to do something spectacular tackler to get them truly invested in you. Just get the w. yeah. I'm just trying to win. I'm trying. I'm i'm. I'm putting that pressure well. If you watch my pfizer always exciting anywhere so you're mr must see tv yes yes. Fights are always exciting. No matter what so i'm gonna go out there and i'm gonna do my thing and i'm just gonna fight this guy and and i'm a finisher through and through if you look at my record fifteen wins and thirteen of twelve of them are finishes in in the first round so on that's fine and i can go three rounds. I've won decisions. You know it's it's exciting. It's exciting and that i do this opportunity in front of my people for <hes> organization that keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger their production value is the best in the game and they're making some really big move so i'm excited to breath. Get this opportunity and hopefully after this fight some even bigger opportunities but again. I'm not gonna get ahead of myself. It's built for two twenty. Five this saturday away from the webster bank arena and bridgeport connecticut. The main event is met metron against sergei haughty tana number two of italian minakov heavy yellow tile fortune on the card it as well. The undercard is interesting a lot of familiar names such as yourself austin vendor ford aka mr van zandt and others as well so i'm looking forward to it that kicks off off at five forty five eastern europe towards the top of the i would guess maybe i don't know close to seven or so. You'll be fighting. I'll tell everyone show up and watched a whole card all right we we got a lotta a lotta guys from connecticut fighting and a lotta guys from the area. You know they just they just put a bunch of good undercard fights on ricky bundy house as well yeah to the biggest draws me and <hes> and mike kimball and connecticut's rare boy are both fighting so the place is going to be crazy for us 'cause people who for him and his people root for me and we have a lot of people and then a guy john manley who i train with a bunch of times is fighting so i'm very excited for this card. Obviously i'm not really worried about anyone else. I'm only about myself sure it's very good for the fans and i'm very excited that i get to fight on the same car. Are these guys and you know. It's going to be a great show and on the people's made that you are my man congratulations on this opportunity. Good luck to you and thanks for coming in. I know that you're you're cutting weight and it's a hectic week for you but i appreciate you coming in to see you again. There is nick newell one of the great stories in the history of the sport. Where'd he said the people's main event also mr must see tv every time this man fights. It is must see tv. There's the lineup right over there this saturday at the webster bank arena <hes> in bridgeport. They're going to australia you out here. Nick okay and we didn't take the bill and you don't take. I'm not leaving so good. Luck to you my man. Thank you very much for coming in. I appreciate gated greatly this saturday in bridgeport so if you're in the area not too far from where we are right now go check it out some very good names yeah. He mentioned kimball who looked very good in his last last fight at madison square garden. He'll be on the card as well okay so that's nick newell story now. It's talked to another legend from the northeast edward alvarez aka the underground king back on track after a big win a couple of weeks ago there. He is eddie. How're you excellent man. How's it going. Everything's house how was aerosmith. Oh okay so you can follow me aw course credible they did they. It was like an in house show uh-huh at the regatta me and my wife went to we don't we don't miss this show so we we've been anyone that wears nearby so that's your favorite band. My wife's favorite band. Yeah okay tyler eve five foot from us at at one point. Wow incredible. Did you recognize you yeah. He knew what was said. Hey steve what's up ned look a chance. I wish i wish i wouldn't have been surprised as they thought that you were big in that world. Well thank you for doing this. I appreciate it always good to talk to you by the way i said earlier before get your i don't know why and it was before even knew you were going to be on the show. I was thinking about you during that pet fi like i feel like you've been intertwined with those guys and i was thinking like i wonder what eddie alvarez thinks about this fight if he he was watching the fight. Did you watch it. Did you enjoy that fight. I i watch it right away. I was soon as the lines came out. I knew i was going to take the as heavy interesting matchup iraq especially for bet and bam people match ups. I love <hes>. I love that song match up for me one thing about these days as he he you know he picks he picks good stahl metropcs your mean he don't he don't he does a good job doing that. So he made sure he got the right opponent and the lot the bookies had that all messed up our i was really happy about that or maxed out almost always happy with what do you think of how he looked. Great great great that's kind of pedestal kryptonite right like a pressure fighter <unk> for a lot of volume stays in his face and doesn't allow kansas to move around and be creative and just kind of stays on them nate nate <unk> footpaths never seen nate it claims giancana wrestle and grapple so much so <hes> that was a that was a good fight for him so a couple of weeks ago we saw you in one championship and we know about the story how the first fight for one went and then the second flight doesn't look like it's going your way either and then in classic underground king fashion russian you're able to turn things around and pull off an amazing fight but from what i understand you were very banged up going into that fight right yes so we we were ten days before the ten days before the fight probably about i think two days before i was about to leave for the philippines i i messed michael all pretty bad. They grapple in practice and it got a little itchy. We were we were considering just calling up and saying. I don't know if we can do do this so i i kept wrestling shoe on and kept my foot all the way up until the flight so until the fight happened. The back in the locker room was the first time i actually moved around with bare foot and got to feel exactly how it's gonna feel the fight day so <hes> it was all a little sketchy but we just we were too close to the fight to close to pull out and i just you know we kept a strong belief in ourselves. That will figure it out when we get in there and we did. How's it feel a lot better a lot. I had a chance to lay off it. When when you're two weeks from the flight and you still gotta get down to wait a little bit and <hes> you're nervous energy. You wanna move around. It's difficult <hes> having injury at that time. The timing is terrible so on now i actually have a chance to lay off it to give it the proper time to rest not keep getting flamed and and flame up on me so i was happy. I'm happy about right now. Was it hard to cope. Wait with an injured ankle. Degrade thing was if i had to cut the fifty five i i was calling up and saying if i had to make that way cut the way i normally do. I gotta run do that got to do a lot of things to get to fifty five so thank god we do hydrate wayans than i am fighting closer to my natural way because otherwise that was a that was a dow is a colada <unk> kohout sick work yeah. I don't know how you call kurt kola sick. No call it a call it a work sick. Call out a worksheet. That's what i was doing if i had to cut the way because they would have been it would have been very difficult to cut down fifty five without a without a bomb ankle and so in that fight early on like i said not really going your way. Do you even remember what you're thinking. Because you can't start your one career to write that would have been disastrous yeah but not on my mind right. Gotta worry about what's in front of me. <hes> kinda thoughts try to creep in. They try to creep in all the time so so. I have to get my mind out of that just focus on the task at hand. That's directly in front of me. That was like kind of if i knew if i went in and he started hearted i knew it was gonna kick our just hoping i can get out of the way one to grapple quickly trying to get into the ground quickly so so we could avoid <hes> him hitting or hit him hit in my upper upper shannon stuff like that so <hes> i want to avoid all that and you know thank god. He tried to finish me on top. You know if you were backed out and just told the rest. Let me out. I don't know how i i don't know how great that would have went for me. So on thank god he got excited and try to finish his it allowed me to get him close to pull out sweep and then get on all interesting interesting okay so you think that he made a big mistake by trying to finish you their mistake when guys her you should always try to finish you know you can go back to shoot it to this or should it did that. I don't do that to myself <unk> in fights because when i feel like when you have when you add poker aces you go all in every time and you can't look back. If someone else catches a full house or something like that and say aw i should have did this. You play the hand. You're dealt and you play at the same time every day so i don't know the same way every time time so it was it was he he went in try to finish <unk> hammy her did and i was able to adapt quickly and get the finish so he forwarded to fight for afforded good fight. I'd apted and it was was it. It wasn't a long fight but you were back in a ring for this one. How do you feel about that ring versus cage. You've spent some time in a ring before back in the day but i believe it had been a minute. What do you feel like you feel like. There's a big difference for you. I i love alafaya in the ring. It feels like just like friday yeah even when even when you watch it the appearance of the show looks like pride and feels like pride a lot aw and it's like a blast from the past so the first of all the can this in the one championship cage is like an n._f._l. Turf i like as a fighter. I've been fighting almost twenty years when you step on this canvas you just it just feels like an n._f._l. Turf like this is the real deal at sticky nikki. Here's your foot. You can move around well. It just a really really good canvass and i think the difference between the cage and the ropes the biggest difference is seen because i was watching the event in the back and watching the fights before mine is when you get taken down. You don't see a lot of guys get back up. It's almost like you better. Knock it taken down because it's very difficult to cage climb to us the cage you get backup. You gotta have good sweeps. You gotta have a ways to get up and be a great shape to just continue to pop pop up or good submissions because it's very difficult to. There's no case to climb one. There's nothing to assist you get back up so <hes> that was the biggest difference. We just seen a lot of you. Guys get taken down and not able to get back up now. We'll be ankle be an issue. You're coming back relatively soon october. Thirteenth is the final of the tournament. Will that upi an issue. No no absolutely not okay now. I don't feel i don't feel anything right now. Fun okay wow so just a freak thing. No no it was it was the ability to not be able to rest it <hes> it kind of went on and i wasn't able to keep pounding and pounding and pounding it and it just inflammation wasn't going back down so it was just it was a painful to pop around on a move around on so given this small amount all the time. I've been able to rested a week later. All the formation goes down. It's not in day so <hes> it was just i wasn't able to rest. I just had to keep going on and now that was the biggest difficulty. Are you feeling now with two events under your belt over there. You feel like it's home. Do feel comfortable. I'm getting. I'm getting moxie. Not where <hes> the debut like. I said i never had a great debut on any any promotion. There's a lot of expectation. I don't l. Maybe i just don't do well on that man. I need to get comfortable and i. I also like feeling lead. Calm like i o people something like it putting that on myself like gain like i kinda got the gain people's respect versus just getting it so i don't know i think this tournament has very very good fighters in <hes> whether they're unknown or not i've i've said this. I'm not changing my tune either. I've said this arrow probably fifteen years ago. The best fighters in the world are virtually unknown in the jungles of brazil during the foothills of dog stan. They're all over the world also there's always misconception between the most popular guys and the best fighters in the world and neither one of them have have anything to do with each other and it's a great point because you go out there and you fight these guys and i know for the casual fan or maybe even the american fan they're like oh. We expect you to beat these guys so like it's almost like a lose lose for you because they expect you and then if things don't go your way for it's a tougher than expected fight then like oh what happened eddie alvarez why just because they don't know this guy and so i'll ask you a question that asks to meet your johnson last week. Do you have a lot of people come up to you and say we miss you eddie where have gone. Where can i see your fights. How funny more just because they're unaware had to watch you or where you went. I don't <hes> i think i people are we're used u._f._c. so they're watch you up saying come back to the u._f._c. <unk> but when you watch fighting true real fight fans if you're a fan of the fighting sixteen year since nineteen hundred sixteen years now <hes> if you've been following me you know i'm gonna fight sin so i understand the sport work if <hes> guys like you know alvarez gennady lofton and these guys. I don't care where they fight a lot of times. I don't care who their opponent is. I just love watching them fight so no matter what platform they go to you know i don't care about the platform i care about the fighter care about can can get like certain certain fires that i love watching fights just engage you like i'll. I'll go watch speed. Species guys fight on any platform. I don't care who the promotion is who the opponent is. I love watching them fight so i expected the same outta. My fence expected the same love that i have for the sport that i am a fan that people would say. Hey just like watching him fight so i'll watch him fight anywhere. Don't you feel though that m._m._a. Fans are a little different that they're a little more loyal to the brand or the promotion than they are to the fighter as opposed to boxing where they will follow the fighter. No matter they're fighting. I do that oh and that'll evolve so as as the power gets more into the fighters hand that evolve you know and it's already happening. You know power-shifting little. It's it's happening slowly but it's happening our shifting in the fighters you're getting more and more power understanding that <hes> the the fighters the asset you can go on any platform. They have a <hes> zone. They got so many platforms now so just follow the fighter beatrice fight fan fall a fighter. Watch him wherever he goes ghost. What makes you think that the power shifting. I'm just more more more and more high profile guys. The bigger names are willing to fight out. Contracts won't believe will on the let promotions bid over them versus <hes> being so all about the brand. You should be more about your brand than you are about the promotions brand right if your business should care about your own brand. Not you know not so much promotion and are you getting good sponsors out there incredible soon as i as soon as i left you know signed a major deal venom okay and <hes> there's there's a lot more things in the making taking but consider considering. I was getting five thousand bucks from reebok. I'd say we're we're doing quite well all right so the final is october thirteenth your footing imagine how much you know about psyche are slowly of dangerous credible opponent you guys you're you're gonna wanna watch kissed credible <unk>. Honestly i have nothing bad to say about. Among we have a lot of like training partners and i believe he i believe just like zubi he was in. He came came from a boarding school where they teach fighting from a young age so <hes> we have a lotta light trading partners. He has a lot of the same style that sabih in the other guys do where to have issue backgrounds also strong <unk> strong grappling backgrounds so on very dangerous. Thanks opponent a you. Don't you don't even get to see much tape on him because he ends a lot of flights in the first round so <hes> i love and i've done my bast against opponents who are dangerous like this where where i feel. I genuinely genuinely feel afraid a little bit <unk>. I've do really well like that because when my back's against the wall and i feel a little bit afraid i some kicks in where i compete compete at a level that i don't even know capable of so. I'm looking forward to fuel that fear emotions and going out and fighting and that will be the the one hundredth show for one championship october thirteenth. It's going down and also dimitrius. Johnson will be competing in the bantamweight week grand prix final. I believe they call it over. There and it's going to air prime time here in the united states so this will be their first <hes> the t._n._t. Not at the eric primetime hearing unanimity live. I'm gonna probably fight in the morning in asia. Okay which will be. It probably nine ten o'clock saturday night or one of the nights <hes> here in the united states. You'll be able to see everything alive edward breaking news for us on the program. I like that thank you. I appreciate it. I don't even know. I don't even know if i was supposed to do that but you're welcome. Thank the trouble after this. What do they do kick you out of the tournament for god's sakes i mean you are the damn tournament all right. Thanks for doing this. I appreciate it very much and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you guys. There is eddie alvarez the underground king himself breaking news for us on this monday afternoon all right now. Let's turn our attention back to the u._f._c. heavyweight division earlier in the program we we spoke to steep emir church about becoming champ again. I was thinking about francis and gone ooh on saturday of course they had that fight back a u._f._c. two twenty since then and gone undefeated on a roll. These days is next for st bay. Let's ask him. He joins us now from cameroon policies. Are you there. Yes sir how are you. Where exactly are you right now. I mean wow in your village what he doing there yeah well. I'll enjoy life with family. Stay you know the go get getting back to what i missed every family style what i do on you no. It's not because he did this season enjoy when you when you come home by the way to your village. Are you a big deal like. Are you a big superstar. Everyone comes up to bothers you. Wanna talk to you all that stuff. Do you feel that attention yes but <hes> when i stayed in the same spot what for very low for a long time slow down and i stay home on get some teams get quiet. Did you have an opportunity to watch these steep a fight on saturday. Oh oh yeah okay. What did you like. What do i think while you were. I mean <hes> <hes>. I didn't expect aspect despite like to be so intense your socially fight i mean the heat is shorter very well. Troop bunches side great. I mean just like us. Hugh wrestling attempt <hes> dentition and or defied if not off strike on the yeah. I think <hes> steeping take over maybe he he might i be that booty showed that he started to to put on dc that ethics d._c. Because d._c. was very where i mean maybe he he was winning. I was winning the fight before then but since the steepest we do good is short. That's open. He gets a good on trial. Ooh creek site were you hoping did you think there was a better chance for you to get a title shot. If stay one or were you rooting for one guy over the other <hes> no really because <hes>. I don't think my <hes> my tighter show right. Now should be like <hes> hooping strategically expecting to byun as i did i i i should fight <hes> i dig i shall find to we know you see on t._v. Where <hes> the wins the fight but i used to be. I think it's a good thing for me to be like a block at the same time debating short so the reason i asked that was because i know the first fight between you and stupid was criticized and so maybe you were afraid that they would not want to do the fight again because yes. I am really live up to the hype yeah <hes> we have to <hes> we have to through through what has to be done. I think under sport now that i i kinda i deserve short then. I should have it and so. Do you feel like you were going to get it. Are you confident you're going to get it. Have you been told that you're gonna get it. You know i would be taught doc. I'm being confident. I don't know i don't know exactly what is happening into the u._s. Executive. I don't know what he's down mindset it. I've seen that not really <hes> <hes> <hes> on the answer of me deserve any title short me fighting next or not and i don't know what is real kim that what's making dot being clear for them but you know when you stood up to them at the end of the city so that's that's. What is it annoying to that. They're being unclear that you don't know what what they're thinking what direction they're going to go in. I mean your resume would speak for itself. There's no other contender at heavyweight to me. It seems like there's three options for st bathers you. There's maybe a trilogy would call me or john jones if he moves up so it's it's. It's not that difficult at heavyweight. You would be the next guy if it's not d._c. Right yes but again. That's why. I don't want to sound why not deal for them so the u._s. You should be you know. That's why it's very frustrating situation right now. Are you even open to taking another fight. Do you want to be active or are you going to sit back and wait sort of like what steve did over the past year. I should wish five. Should i take we'll be on. I i mean honestly. That's what's make that not only what i want but that would make sense right right. No you're a hundred percent right. I mean it would just be to make money would just be to get a pay day. You would just be to make it yeah like there'd be no reason to take another fight other than if you just wanna get paid. You know what i mean like. You don't have to do anything else to prove to us. You're the number contender but you know. Maybe if you just want to get paid. That's why that's the only reason at this point. There's no one else that's even close to you. Yes that's what i'm saying so let's see how it plays out what happened. How would you feel if they if they did john jones against cpa. Would you be upset about that <hes> so because i think i'm next in line be me yes. I hope you upset about that right now. You're in you're in cameroon. How long are you going to be there for. I can be yeah for like oh one more week. Then i'll pull badly. I believe two zero before come to the u._s. Okay i'll be in the u._s. For like maybe two weeks from now <hes>. We also got some exciting news about you last week. You're going to be a part of the next next fast and furious. Can you tell us what you'll be doing. What kind of role you'll have <hes>. I don't have my role yet i have i just had to the screen for the date that idead three months ago that they have in the t._v. Clear inflammation about my role in this as kind of like how how you happen how we used to be so stay confidential confidential onto into onto the last moment okay and is this your first movie yes. He's my very first one. I'm not at least i'm yeah exciting. That's exciting. Have you ever seen fast and furious. Oh i don't eighteen days. Nobody will have in seed. You're talking to one scene so the first one. I've never seen it from a situation where i swear to israel. Does your fosse's yeah. Maybe because you're oh you're busy checking both fight taking about following information on that's right so tracking information on stocks suggest which is your favorite. I think there's been eight right eight or nine. Which is your favorite my favorite. I mean the very first one on was good. I mean <hes> very precise of just just like speed of god. I really thought on feels like like a by the six she started like very actions like big action <hes> involved yes. I think the mike at michael's demise that and what about coming to america any any update on that or going to be a part of that one <hes> i would like to i mean i'll <hes> i'll have to check on eddie murphy. I okay yes he has to. He has to let some real africa. Take they're all full to come into africa. That's right yes coming to america to it would be a good film as well and so. I also wanted to know go ahead. No i say into i mean i figured it'd be a good one. No i'm not fitting through fitting one co rule of coming to that's right. We can do a reversal missile. You've got do that if it you very one. How is the foundation. I saw a photo on your instagram where you're bringing a lot of stuff a lot of supplies the cage the mad all that stuff. How's the foundation going. Foundation is pretty good and <hes> like yesterday. We did some similar to you know <hes> do we call parents kids parents and and to explain to them like really what's really going on on <hes> you know we have to educate them about the sport. Every team to terrify parents way kit left who on goto sport institute good found with them. You know it's kind of a very tough job and also <hes>. I found some volunteer with named sam <hes> sam crude so ooh he's here now. Six weeks had had it been keat floor ju jitsu. I know yes things. Things are getting his together. Okay so finally before. I let you go francis. What is the message too steep and the u._f._c. what you want them to know the message or they may say she's that <hes> here waiting for that for that for the rematch for the title short and and on a that is evil be unfair to not let me give me that site because with a half i've done work has to be done to deserve it to prove that i can get the opportunity pack and i think you should be that you think having that sit down with dana will help your cause finally sitting down with him clearing the air i don't know i don't know if that's on thin got got something who could happen event but you know just do what is fair. What acts in for all all right. We shall leave it at that. Thank you very much francis. Good luck getting the fight. I appreciate you doing this all the way from cameroon. Thank you thank you okay. Hey me or do we to wherever you are always my friend. We'll talk to you soon. There is lepanto. I'll see see some guy new hoping to get that title. Shot says he's frustrated but he wants. What's right. He wants it to be fair. He wants to be next steve bay like i said i think there's three the options. There's the dc trilogy and in case. You're wondering you know. I have a good relationship with d._c. I didn't want to have him on the show. I don't want to ask them i. I would've loved to have him on the show but i didn't wanna ask him today. I wanna give them some time. We all know how hard it takes these losses and that was a heartbreaking one firm especially because he looked so good early on so we'll talk to him when the time is right but he's out there he did not retire. I think he has nothing left to prove. I think his family and friends probably want him to retire. <hes> <hes> has nothing to prove. I think he's one of the greatest ever. This doesn't affect his legacy by any stretch but he didn't retire so he still out there. 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We found out recently dana white confirming to the goodfellas from submission radio that max hallway versus alexander volkov ski will not be taking place on that card so that would have been nice jolt for the card but these are some of the other fights tight vasa vasa on the card. How jake matthews local guys well holly home. Raquel pennington big fight at one thirty five and of course the main event robert whitaker against israel out of sonya. They're going back to the stadium. Where holly home knocked out ronda rousey back then it was known as has eddie hod stadium now known as marvel stadium and i'm told tickets went on sale last wednesday that press conference with whittaker. I'm told tickets have been selling pretty well. I've told around thirty thousand have been sold thus far so that's a pretty damn good start for u._f._c. two forty three but they're hoping for approximately sixty thousand which if in fact they can get to that number that would be the most ever in in u._f._c. history. They've they've been at around fifty thousand for u._f._c. one twenty nine also you have c. One ninety three sixty thousand would be the most not sure if it would be the highest gate ever depends on the ticket sales depends on the ticket prices and it depends on how many they sell but it would certainly be in that discussion as well. I will be out there. Last time i was in melbourne was for that you have c. One ninety three cards so we'll talk about that and a little later on we shall also talk to the great kurt angle. He's going to be joining us. We'll talk to him about kobe covington using his entrance music henry pseudo essentially stealing his gimmick. Maybe a little kurt angle king of the ring talk from back in two thousand and he's going to be on to promote the king of the ring which apparently is back and is starting tonight for world wrestling entertainment. Mike perry's gonna join us us in a bit as well talk about the broken nose how he's feeling stefan struve still to come about palo. Kosta shinya will talk about his big win over your romero mariam tracy house faceless because his face was pretty beat up after that win over you'll romero this past saturday at u._f._c. two forty three and he told us that he will the in melbourne israel for that car today front front row look at sonya whitaker. Another person will be there. Is our next guest holly home. She's fighting on the card against gets recalled pennington. We have connected with her so to say hello to the preacher's daughter polly home. Who's joining us from her familiar car these days holly how are you. I'm in good call so this is fine on my car listen. I'm not complaining being by any stretch. <hes> it's a good connection. It's no problem nice light so no problems whatsoever on this side. Thank you for doing this. I appreciate it. I was just talking about your return to australia but before we get to that we haven't heard much from you as far as medias concern since last month fight against mandate nunez. How are you doing after the fight as health wise. I'm fine heart hurts like hell but i'm always looking forward on a go forward. Be better learn from my mistakes. I mean that was a big mistake and and learn learn angle forward. You know i still want to work my way back to that spot and able to fight for the title again so that's why. Why do you think you were hesitant. The fight was just a split second of hesitation. You know there's a lot of things that we weren't donald are things that were really what league saw they would be and i felt like all right. I'm getting your timing right. This is going to be here. This is going to be there and just rather than going forward more like i should have. You know little things. Just let's not kick instead on lake and just halfway hold that i i can't. Let's not do that again. Did you feel like the early portion of the fight was actually going well for you. Are you liking the way things were progressing. I feel like i was kitchen. Get like really like feeling timing and i just feel like i didn't let enough go soon enough. You know <hes> the things that we were gonna be looking for. Were there just wasn't. I wasn't really capitalizing soon enough. You know i let her <hes> become become offensive and be i two and every everything is clear hindsight so there's living can do about it now but just learn from it and move forward and knows one round and any punching me the last one the last moments of flight really. I just want to keep going forward. I don't feel like <hes> and the fight was like bag work like she was you know making work of me is just both kind of feeling each other out and then then one kick unfortunately <hes> first time in your career that you were knocked out. It's been a long time when you're fighting career in general almost a decade since you experience something like that and so you mentioned heartbroken. That's what stuck with me in the aftermath back in the locker room and when when you went back home how are you feeling about it going through that again just different you know the last dog. How was their all laura want that any loss. I don't care how it is jeremy. You're my feel like my my last. One was definitely you know i had headaches and also throwing because that concussion and you know that's fine. I didn't feel any of that. I didn't have any kind of a physical side effects from actually fo fine but like that's why i say my heart is that's lakes. You know it's like just to have that loss sucks anything then and that's really the only thing that hurts. You know my my body's fine. I'm physically fine. Obviously it took some time off of sparring because i don't wanna be dumb about going to be smart. Just go and be sparring right away. I've been training since i go back and as far as conditioning running and things like that mia i'm back to scoring now but <hes> there's always smart ways to go about things but i just always been ready to get back in there and just <hes> if bart's alert. You didn't want to take some time off after after suffering a blow like that off my brain yeah to be smart. I did okay but as as far as like we're running strength training that was fine. I was ready to go right away. I took one week off went to mexico. We plan for my friends for your birthday so that was one thing that i had already planned you alf months in advance before i even knew about the fight so i was basically down there for just one week and then just got right back into running again does not work out. It doesn't feel right you know. What's the day environment doing have you. Have you been able to watch the fight. I watched it okay. What's my coach. Honestly it's every you know. I always and i was thinking that you know certain things in my head. How fight went and then. I watch film and really went and everything that happened fight. I remember happening in the fine except for the kick delighting our member but i feel like the sooner he face it the center you're gonna make changes and make it better and go forward. You know <hes>. I don't want to pretend like it didn't happen to be living in a dream world. I live in a very real world and film away to get better as to look at it. Learn from it and move foreword. I get in line and myself gold time <hes> but i'd rather just face it. Watch it learn go forth. Did you wanna return so quickly or did they come to you. I think is i don't i don't know who said what i but i don't wanna fight before the end of the year and they came back and said how about australia is there was really no kind of fight one way or the other. It was just like agreement coming from the get-go. I've loved to fight for the end of the year and they said house australia s okay. I'm not going to be picky. Let's do it. Let's quick turnaround on ready. Let's just training training. Go forward my understanding was that perhaps the the initial opponent was catching gano and then things didn't work out there scheduling wise and now they ended up with raquel pennington. Which fight did you prefer. Whichever one was in front of me for what i need to be ready for her and i i had cats for. I always like her and i would need at some point and so actually like in my mind. I was like oh oh well. This is the time when we're gonna need causing great. Let's do that counting on australia october. Let's do it and then when i think she had other things going on. Take the fight so from what i understand yes i don't really know and i thought well gosh i wonder if the really look for someone someone else rock tober or if it's going to be a little bit later than that and then they came back and said broke helping tennessee creek and this is my first rematch in maine how watery matches in boxing is my first rematch in in may so it's kind of different <hes> different and i'm excited for it and then i mean i do with this but cats released from the u._f._c. Did you see that how crazy yeah you know we who knows who knows. It's me a couple of times. I don't know <hes> story. Yeah is a crazy story. Hopefully one of these days and even saying saturn is that okay fair enough and of course the first thing that i thought aww when this fight was announced was back in australia same building where you shocked the world the you know the greatest moment of your career arguably one of the greatest moments in the history history of the sport a moment that will be talked about forever. There's the scene right there. How do you feel about going back to the exact same place different name different name for the stadium but the exact vaccine building where you beat ronda rousey. How do you feel about that because then it will be. I know you're trying to move away from talking about this fight all the time but now it's just going to bring it up once again don't well. I don't want anything soured related with that either. I don't wanna go back there and make it bad memory. Let's go back there and making another great one okay but you're happy to go back doc. I'm going back there. <hes> you know i don. The travel is will make like long on an airplane. It's just the along travel but australia doesn't feel like. I don't know i'm looking enforce going. Australia's feel like foreign to me. I guess been there a few times and have friends there visit before you even had the fight and i'm looking forward to going back. There's a great story as you mentioned. It's a rematch but not only is it a rematch. It's a rematch of your first fight in the u._f._c. and there was so much hype going into that fight and you were fighting in the komeda events bought ought another rousing the introduction on this big stage and now here. You have to get by rebel again to get back on track. I mean there's some nice synergy there. It's it's somewhat symbolic great. You know it feel like that's what it was. You know when i saw her. We were both in that spot that it's like whoever wins going to kind of like jumped to that next challenge jump to the next scene that that next step to get to the belt and i feel like we're both there i mean the the only difference is this time when both fought the belt or trying to get back to it. You know so it's kind of the same spot you know. We're both kind of. I i feel like after this is gonna be that next step to get to the top and so i think that the the fight will be very different. She's learned a lot. I've learned a lot. I was very green when i fought her. I really didn't have much outplaying wrestling like i really didn't and have like a lot of 'em experience under my belt. You know <hes> so. I don't even know how many fights ahead maybe like six something something like that before. I got in the n._f._c. and they were. I mean my first three. Were basically like let's work on your ups and that was pretty much it you know and that's kind of in a game. It's been really evolving for me and i'm not saying that that's what i'm looking for putting the you know the fight into. I feel like it's just i'm a completely different fighter than i was. When i fought her the first time regardless of how the fights gonna go <hes>. I just feel like i'm a completely different than i was and like i said she's she's she's improved as well and i know she's into coming with her best and supply one of those times where she wants to come back in you know venture loss and and then stop that you remember what you were like in the first fight after the knockout loss in two thousand eleven in boxing in are you worried at all about being you know. Sometimes you see someone in the first fight after knockout little gun shy. They aren't pulling the trigger or maybe aren't as aggressive. Are you worried about that. No because this time i feel like does knockout. Wasn't that uh i can't. I'll never stay. Knock outs not bad because it is bad. <hes> tom but this one was definitely different. <hes> was definitely more worried to get hit after my knockout you mm-hmm back then because that one was one of those you wake up in the morning. Sit up on your bed for a minute because you're gonna be dizzy and then you stand ended up for a minute and then a little dizzy then you can get your wall like if that was that <hes> not that i really publicly really so so long ago. It's easier for me to talk about it now but it was a bad concussion. It was bad knockout. That's what i never felt any kind of <hes> physical you know problem so and then i was kinda like i feel like my first avon. Sparring disbar felt fine. You know if punch happens in a fight as it can happen just mean going into my nunez. I hadn't been knocked out for many years and then it happened so i'm not saying that a knockout can't happen in a fight but i'll tell you what will to help you get knocked out is to be worried about it and hesitant about it and now fight well that will get you knocked out and that's why i'm not gonna gotta let myself get there. I'm going there with every intention to go on their one hundred percent. Just let's go not worrying about right answer. Turn and i agree with that. Take for whatever it's worth. I'm just curious also done. Is amanda versus germane to random you both of them. Would you like in that fight. I'm curious to watch this fight. I think that <hes> a few things. I think that it's you were to ask how this fight go even two years ago. No i think you're gonna win and i think that a lot of people yes they're going to put their money on them and ending as but i feel like also <hes> germain has is i think gotten a little bit. Maybe i think a lot of us were wondering where we're is germane. After i had fought you just kind of disappeared for a little bit and i and came back but she's had great performances. You know she's coming off the sixteenth second knockout <hes> she fought rock l. Actually she's got you know she's <hes> i think what makes i always say styles. Make different fights tania's and her are tall long arms long reach so it's gonna be a different game than a lot of the fights are they're used to being longer longer more rangy fighter and now they're facing each other so i think that they're both coming with some convents binghaman's coming with a little more more confidence. I mean she's been on a very big winning streak. <hes> you know finding a lot of girls that have been right at the top and coming with winds. You know her her. She's had stoppages and everything <hes> kind of one after another after another so she's coming in. You know like yeah. I'm you got what it takes and so it's you know if you're gonna put your money on. I think he won't be putting their money on nunez but that's not to say that you can't. You can't count your may now. She's she's not straight punches. She hits pretty hard and cheeses her range while i think that fight if one of them doesn't you know why lane the hard shot and curious halbe scrambles will go. I think that's probably thank nunez. Maybe the upper end on that but we haven't seen germain's ground scrambles while either. You never know what she's been learning. Uh that will be december. Fourteenth holly home returns october fifth in australia raquel pennington rematch big fight for her. I appreciate you doing this. Holly all the best shoe good luck in training and we'll see you out there all right there. She is holly home returns to action a little less than two months time on that big u._f._c. two forty-three card all right looking forward to this next guest. We saw action two weekends ago in uruguay tremendous fight against percent. They look at one of the best of the year i i personally thought he won the fight. It was a close fight not a robbery but of course everyone was talking afterwards about his nose. Let's see how mike perry is feeling less than two weeks later. Look a mike looking tremendous mike. You look great my man. Thanks myself doing area. I'm doing great. How are you feeling ling. I'll do all right. I'll just chilling. I guess where i'll spend more time in bed or playing video games how stairs e-e-eh eh. I'll be good. I get pretty heavy. You know i got drunk once or twice. Well you look. I think one of those times was on saturday night right tweet watching a fight yes but it was very entertaining well done. How's the nose feeling. I don't know i like i guess. I shouldn't go to start taking punches. I just should i don't want anybody. You know. I can't really grasp why don't we go to the gym like rip hamilton note. I got i got an appointment tomorrow and i'm going to ask the doctor for like a clear face master. Yes and i'm gonna go to practice and and who knows maybe i'll put the head gear on over it or something. I'm going to try and get back to assume. I feel like there's a lot in my head right now that i could be learning while it's fresh after a fight everything like just i went to given the day i was watching the fires. Are it's like i could see everything on these different ways but i still can't. I can't judge fight. Apparently decisions are all over the place. I guess when fights are close a lot of people if they a lot of different ways about the fight who wins and who doesn't so. That's the game indeed. That was a great fight. I'm wondering have you watched it. <hes> my fight. Yes yes and you think you want right yeah but i get it you know he ah i put thirteen and a half minutes hours. Piecing and hughes <unk> tigard and washouts were getting through sometimes but he he was able to take them well and he just kind of didn't do as much as i did like. I did a lot and he i could iran a lot more. I could've gotten out of conflict a lot more like he never brought the conflict to be. He never went hearse and i went. I i in <unk> finished last a lot. Sometimes he retouched me. Oh maybe once on the way i use it to close the gap in three or four times and then he touching one more time on the way out and <hes> you lot of ineffectiveness and then the the fucking need just look like a little fair like the front row. It didn't look like anything in my nose just got hit. The right angle often are held onto our take nine or i guess i see a bad habit there. When people throw their lower body tuck my chin so they can't the head goes with my body on neck. Snap szeswith knocks people out so i get i i gotta work on that and i gotta work on take out some more or you know get a good take downs like like slam them on their head and they're working the grounded composition because that's a sport i see myself evolved quite a bit evolved more than me right. So i kinda walsum power on my striking. I felt like or lucarelli takeaway for luke. He's just was tough as hell big and he could take shots in a tight guard. He tucked his chin a lot too so you know maybe i needed to throw more wet. Noodles like hobe sound something you know i i guess when when he hit you with that knee you remember what it felt like like you. Do you remember your nose breaking and what that felt like like didn't really feel like anything at that moment. I knew i knew he calls since damage. I knew in got caught. The lega like damn like you don't really feel it then later and then it ain't even really he later later. I felt the pain from them whatever they did in the back sticking medal on those craig in my face around trying to get a nose back in place you know i felt that later that gave me headaches and i'm like oh my god. I thought you know the recent destined destined boxing outside. Ham is my brain bleeding is like i mean those really thought i was talking with my boy alex disbarring. We were both talking about that. He's had his jaw <unk> before. I thought i was going to die in the hospital. I was an outbreak speak english. They was just telling me all this stuff in spanish about whether they were gonna do danielle was there believable. They can understand the spanish so well they. She had four doctors talking her while she gets little words out <unk>. Ari figured i knew what they were <hes> do but when you think surgery all manner they might cut my face open. The pieces back together like operation ration- does not believe they just showed some guys at my nose and straighten it out and here. I am now there you are. How many times have you been been shown that photo of you looked at that photo of startling. It's there are no. I mean this one startling that one yeah now just pissed. I fight thirteen minutes. It's great and what did i do. I feel like if you had to do anything. I get lazy at the end. I feel like maybe i did get lazy or it was just a bad habit because it wasn't a hard shot. It was just a shot that got it and that's my nose is like it. It was other worldly. It was like there were other parts being played. You know maybe that's just how i like to think of it is i can't make an excuse excuse for it and i can't find an excuse for and there is no excuse anyways is just back to the drawing board like always is why the hell did not win this one. I thought i was gonna win. No matter how it fell out site i was like dude up me and i stuck in moving. I i felt like i was almost fluid out there flu and then flew out of toughness. Take a shot though i showed that to and they didn't give you take ignite doesn't none of that matters data. Call me like you know it's not about the judges think sometimes it's tour so the whole world commenting saying at saying that they thought that i wanted to fight the same with my head feeling like that today banged my nose around i was like i feel like we're right so i guess i can see why they give it to that guy. That guy was taking pictures after the fight would high have built less pain had they said i was what i forgot. All this attention that i'm getting if they said that i was the winner or would it have gone the other way like oh. They stole from u._k. It's more so people say maybe draw a might one and you know but there's a few people that are like they gave it to him because the nose because the damage has been fighting this through history so you know i've just got to who either bladder. I can't make excuses. What about that guillotine. That was incredible just to watch like all the blood pouring out. How difficult was it to survive that and did the blood would help you survive. It didn't help me survive the blood he is he tighter. He wasn't tight really really held onto my head. I knew my face was hurt right so i stayed in the guillotine because i was in there and i was like he can't hit my face only on in my head so i just tightened down net and was like he's never gonna choke me but then i had to spit a bunch of blood out so i can breathe in i went to was drinking. Blood saw spitting out. I that's why there was so much right down my throat out my mouth now. Breathe him on knows too. I just tried to calm down for again. You know control. My heart rate spent a blow out. Get some sips of aaron and then when i went to fight the hands i didn't wanna just bush my face up against him because my nose hurts. I don't wanna hurt my nose on his body his arms or anything like that so i just waited good time to blow it out. Lead a couple of shots on top <unk> nothing too crazy <unk> and there was only seconds. I knew the power about the ring of i didn't see a point and then you know i hear things like people judge a fight based on how they think the future your mind. Oh oh is there was a fourth round. It wasn't a foreground fight. It wasn't it was a three round fight you. You can't judge on the future. I don't know what's going to happen. I come out. I don't switch to. I was this close to <music> split his face open the way he did mind. He got his knee in their little bit. Ernie reach llanos it puts it to the side knows i come out. I four the second to the fourth round. If you want to guess if you wanna have ideas about a future might go if it's not positive direction. Hey what's the point of taking the shot as they try to make it sound like it was better than fire got knocked out all year right well by the way what's what's wrong with your. I is there blood along with. Those area is okay. Okay is just what happens when you take a couple shot. Okay just curious august. No no. I'm just i didn't want to offend one thing that you did mention that. I think create a lot of headlines. You talked about your finances. Finance is afterwards how you got broken nose but you don't have any money where you being serious about that. I got but it's never enough. Go buy orlean dollar yacht right now. I would like to go smoke a blunt on a yacht according to a lot of friends but i can't do that right now. Maybe maybe i could get ran a pontoon boat and ride around in a florida rivers but it ain't right music just as good on a pontoon soon as it is on a yacht among go do that garad pontoon <unk>. We'll play some video games downstairs saying my idea. I need you know i want my job right before the fight. I wanted to take a break so bad. I don't know if that's the way you know oh hourly like leaving home. Nowadays i like home is like my best life. That's where i live my life that i just relaxed children. The cows i play video games watch movies talk shit tamang girl and eat food a lot of food trait. Whatever i wanna drink smoke whenever i wanna smoke despite time we've got all these sacrifices may wanna do this more but then as soon as i need to eat and again i'm dan u._f._c. Come tampa if they come into south florida and they give me the opportunity making one hundred grand dump on that obviously that was the thought the day before my nose rearranged right but talking to sean shoghi walking spot boy. Will maybe get more what i wanted. Was i wanna go to the fight and watch. The show also went through on his show to me. Santiago ponds and debut at mossy always their aid said. I get to watch a a good fight last night. Not of last night to night to probably take would your will so you know i just want to it'll be a fan for a second and it's weird how life is needs to sit down right now because of animal might acting like on one and get up and go work but as soon as i got to go up and go to the gym our do this why sign your tweets you were talking about nate d as is that like a dream fight for you to fight him one day so he's respectful martial artists and he respects the game and you get coming into the game you kinda lucite <hes> well. Maybe i did i can't speak for everybody and i know i see a few guys did as they come in and you know get no respect there like luna's game. I gotta take my respected. They're trying to let people know saying things like the things i used to say or like. Dodged the phone attendants shaped like bunch but you have to fight being asked to go buy it and keep it at the same time when you get to the top and you got a guy like look for sunday can take your shots and stand there and he keeps trying. He keeps trying no matter how much i hear them. I try to point away fifteen minutes clean. He and he just kept trying to push a little further at the end got his shot up to land in. It did the damage he was looking for four. I couldn't say he can do that again. Nine out of ten times. I'm gonna is gonna be a different result so you know it's just the sport. I like what you said earlier you text me. It was <hes> technically above wins and losses right now in the sport. Beating people just want to watch me fly but now trying to win. I know are just a complement to your to gotta. Get back to work. That's just a complement to your your place in the sport. I know you're trying to win. I know you're not trying to lose fights. I was just trying to give you a common. There are some fighter's. I think that will always be beloved love despite wins and losses as long as they keep giving effort. I think you're one. I think he has is one. I think this is one. I think serena's one like there's some guys you know. They're on the card. You know it's gonna be fun and i feel like you've. You've reached that status so that's all i would say in a perfect world. I know you were talking about six weeks and all that you need to take some time off right like six. Months is probably too too much okay yeah. That was my first thought whoever i talked to on the phone it was my manager. I told him to the hospital. I'm like omar god. My headache is ridiculous right now houses from punches i wasn't thinking because they just banged around on my face. They probably have hammers and they were smacking my face with a hammer and metal chisel to put my nose back complete. I feel that when i wake up two days i'm like oh my god i gotta be office six months no bones heal and harding and six weeks and and that's like out of physical physical therapy time so if i just i'm gonna do some push-ups through some said on't try to die like a maintain a diet but so that i can have cheat days are want. They're very enjoyable when you've been trying to stay healthy and not get too fat outta shape charter. Stay ready to get ready because this is. My life rose what i do if i'm my face was the last thing that i really love on this. Fucking <unk> broke my nose and i thought i was on look. I do look little <unk> but you know it is what it is and if this is the life that i sat down and chose between being him <hes> then this is the lie that i chose arcata view bad shit like those breaking and deal with it the best way i can't buy steady eh game maintaining and trade in and getting better every day that i can and trying to get back and and get more money into rain. I'm enjoying the time in the ring so much these days. I thought i was fifteen. Minutes just beat him muscle fifteen bro and the next minute have changed but like still i thought i won the fight because thirteen five minutes of is out of who are moving him. You know i know people want to stand in the middle and slug it out with him but the old reminded got it done that you know maybe he goes different but i don't think so. I just thought the move and i'm just gonna stick with that. Mccabe keep evolving. I keep saying the same shit over and on. I guess it's the subject right. Now is like how bad shit wet on me at howard at a comeback from et. It is on the comeback it will be. I know damn dirty. I know you know damn and even shit. I can't be dirty and are you talking about me and rony they in the same sentences should the type of fighters that our love to give give their all and put everything into and i just die here. Those guys had been here for fifteen years. You talking about you. Go go ahead so. I just got to stay here now and i'm gonna have my time. There's no way i don't i just get a better view these coaches that'd it'd be like my mom. Julia louis only down speaking of coach our team really fresh fighting on data tennessee reese tomorrow all right mike well. You're the man i love the fire. I love the fire. It's so good to see you back. In good spirits you will be back. I appreciate doing this might get well soon and we'll talk soon thank you thanks for giving me a platform and you're the man mike we love you. There is the one and only mike perry joining us all all right now. Let's go to our next. Guest podge is for keeping him waiting but mike perry talks a lot the one and only the legend ba- former olympic medalists nine thousand nine hundred sixty. She wanted with a broken freaking neck. My old pal kurt angle on the show. Wow what a what a great honor. This is kurt. How are you a great area on. It says great to talk rocky again. You've done really well for yourself and i'm very proud of you. Thank you. I appreciate that greatly <hes> you. You had faith in me long before many did so. I really appreciate shit that it's nice. It's nice to talk to you after all these years. We have a lot to talk about but i i you know you're very you're very visible in the world of. I don't know if you know this but your are your your. Your impression is being felt all over the place. I have to ask first and foremost arguably the most hated person in this sport. Koby covington used your entrance song couple of weeks ago two walkout walkout. How did you feel about that. Well i before he did it. He had a friend of his contact. Me bobby lashley and bobby. He called me and said hey. There's this fighter named koby covington and i said i know he is. He said well he wants to use music to come out. <hes> because <hes> you know come out to <hes> who's fight and he wanted to do because he wanted to. Chant you suck so. I said he's it's all his. He man if he wants to do it you know. God blesses those great. He's very polarizing. I know a little bit about the gimmick that he's doing these days days. How do you feel about that like. I said that you know vince probably wishes he could do something like this. He gets nuclear. He'd he showed up to the event on saturday and the whole place started booing him. How do you feel about him using like that in the world of mixed martial arts in the fight game. I think it's a store down. I think there's something using that nobody else has and he understands. He gets the entertainment factor. <hes> obviously you know we're talking about a real sports. I think about sport on the planet ladder <hes> but you have to have a little bit of entertainment to he has that mind for it just like conor mcgregor. Are you still watching these days as as much as you were when we were talking way back when not as much but i keep tabs i you know i got my favorite cornea suadeau <hes> <hes> <hes> <hes> <hes> i love navy as i think he's awesome individual <hes> just really exciting to watch and and he's one of the toughest kids i've ever seen that octagon so <hes> you know like radically corby took my spot in the olympics after i left and <hes> we ended up wrestling in my weight class for two olympics so i was i was always following habit down the credible job the last five or six years yeah and i wanted to ask you about henry pseudo because it does feel like he's taking your gimmick as well you know he walks around with <hes> the metal and he tries to be like the olympic hero the american hero but he gets everyone to boom these days in column crunchy and all that have you seen what he's doing and you see parallels between what he's doing and what you did when you first started to get over around twenty years ago yeah i think i i think i'm not. I don't think he did it because of me <hes> whether he did or not i really don't know but you're right. You know he gets it and <hes> <hes> it gets reaction and that's what's most important you know. The last thing you want to do is not saying anything either one of the cheer here for you you want them to believe because they care about you one way or the other but if you walk out there and you hear crickets you're not doing something you're doing something wrong or you're not doing something right so driving henry he he gets it to he's using the gimmick and i love it. You're on today to help us. Promote the king of the ring which starts and i have to be honest. I thought the king of the ring was dead but it has been revitalized and it kicks off tonight on u._s._a. Network beginning at eight p._m. Eastern is it the same format format like i remember when you wanted kurt around nineteen or so years ago. Is it the same kind of format or have. They changed it it was i think eight minutes format back then now now. It's sixteen <hes> live. You know keep in mind. The band were at the paper. You had to wrestle three times. It came to the ring. If you want it <hes> now wow they're doing tournament for about during ron smackdown leading up to the view and i think the finals we'll be at the pay view so <hes> i wrestled <hes> two years in a row russell three matches in one page view because of king of the ring so it's it was really really tough back then but they made it a little little easier at least uh wrestling every match one night. I was very happy that i had the opportunity to get your retirement match back in april. I don't know if you know that but i was lucky enough to be at wrestlemainia and and it was really cool to see and i'm wondering are you officially done or you know in combat sports and pro wrestling people say they're done a million times and they come back. Are you one hundred percent done well. You never wrestle again. You know what i don't plan on it. I i wish i could but i'm fifty years old <hes> well. I'll give are you a quick story when i when i came back w w i was really in great shape <hes> unfortunately they'll be wanted me to be effected through the whole thing. That's what they wanted so i think that i and i told vince i wasn't retired yeah and then he gave me the g._m. Job and then i still wanna wrestle and you say we'll get too well because i sat out for so long on especially in professional wrestling i could even say and you'll see <hes> you see out too long. Your the body gets a frantic you <hes> you lose that. <hes> you know that when you're inactive and just especially when you get older you start getting a lot more arthritis soreness by the time i was wrestling consistently. I wouldn't do it anymore so basically sitting out really affected me and <hes> unfortunately actually i. I didn't go that long and so now. How are you feeling. How would you describe your your health these days well. I'm i'm going to a meeting with a doctor on next month. I'm going to have a stem cell. <hes> therapy shots put my knees and they helped me. A lot of guys been i'm doing it made me. It's it's not a cheap surgery or cheap procedure but it's <hes> it's very effective so <hes> i know bio bio accelerator. They're actually talking talking to a lot of progresses. A lot of them are made fighters. I think by coleman's gonna go down <hes> it's actually in colombia and <hes> <hes> this the company is is really reputable so <hes> i'm excited about doing it and hopefully it'll work. Yeah actually a colleague of ours here the s._p._n. Gilbert melendez longtime fighter just did that and was raving about <hes> the experience down in columbia so maybe a little endorsement there for them. Would you do anything differently. Kurt thinking back on your career. You took a lot of risks. You put your body through a lot of pain in hindsight. Do you wish you did things differently yeah. I wish i would've done more maintenance. You know stretching yoga <hes> just taking care of my body. I mean clearly when i was going on all pistons i wouldn't even warm-up before it went out there. I just you know do a couple of <hes> you know twists with my you know my arms back and forth and go out there and wrestling and it had a long term effect on me. I you know you gotta take care of your body. Especially when you're an abusing it the way i did so i was okay till i turned about forty five and that have you started going downhill right away. How do you feel about the state of the business these days. It seems like it's it's very hot. It seems like there's a lot of options for the guys. Different promotions sion's doing things overseas here in america. How do you feel about the state of the business right now. I think it's as good as it's ever been as far as russia's being able to work work <hes> you know they're only some of these slots and w._w. But they even house quite a following with their annex t in iran smackdown bands <hes> they're even going global where they're going to be annexed temps in each continent so they're going to need a lot more wrestlers but the independence of doing really well <hes> <hes> you know this new company a. w. <hes> new japan so there are a lot of options and that that's really good for the rest is like you know the the number one company and walsh yeah and what about your friend brock lesser. He was flirting with a return. Do you think we'll ever see him fight again or do. You think he's officially done i. I hope he does return i know he said that he's retired but i think biko one fight he wants and i don't know if it's ever gonna happen but he wants to go up against buck jones roads john jones. I think that would be an extraordinary fight. There's very different. <hes> their sizes are extremely the opposite but <hes> <hes> you know bronx the bronx free <hes> you know he you know he might not win. All his fights might not be the most pause fighter but he is. Here's <hes> an incredible athlete. I mean he he could do anything he wanted. He wanted to play football or pro baseball. He can adapt to anything. Brock is uh-huh credible athlete and wrestling him in the ring. I knew you know how great it would be truly. Is i mean this kid can play basketball. He's he's unbelievable. We've bowl. What did you think of how ron did. I was so proud of rod. I got the opportunity to train her <hes> especially for wrestlemainia and she used to make fun of me because my grabs gloves i i i'm endorsing a company called grabs <hes> which they do <hes> glossy. You don't have to take fingers and <hes> they're doing really well. In <hes> rodney re pick on me about it but she taper fingers i put on my graphs and and then i got her to put him on and she actually liked liked to rhonda is she made the transition as quickly as i did and i have to give it a lot of credit for that because i never thought she's going to be able to do it. You a lot of athletes want to step into the ring. They went to you know go at the level of kurt angle a rock or stone close to boston and and they find out that they just can't do it. Ronda knew how to do everything. She had a bump properly. She could sell well <hes>. She just got it. She was one girl one female <hes> stepped in seven got it right away and i it blew me away. I mean she might have learned quicker than i did and last thing for you kurt. I'm wondering if you saw the highlights of cain. Velasquez is a a pro wrestling debut lucia libra debut. Did you see him. I was blown away by how agile he was. Do you think he has a future. I do enjoy inch he. He's another guy that gets it and <hes> he he's just really athletic. I mean the things he can do. It's really impressive than i think if he could step into their square circle do extremely well. I wanna fuck one thing. I did. A movie last year called chintzy molly <hes>. It's a really funny movie. If anybody wants to go check it out at i tunes and amazon prime <hes> that'd be great. I got the play ironically a drug kingpin and a lot of very funny fungible all right. I will check that out yeah. One of the highlights of my young career back in the day was writing a little skit for you back in orlando. I remember that the way we have come a long way. Thank you so much for doing this. Kurt and i really appreciate it and good luck with everything. You're doing and hope to talk to you and see you again very soon. Okay take care all right there. He is kurt angle again the w._w._e. Twenty nineteen king of the ring tournament kicks off tonight on raw at eight p._m. Eastern on u._s._a. Network ron smackdown will feature tournament matches weekly tonight through september tenth with the finals at clash of champions on sunday day september fifteenth. I i don't know if i've shared the story but in my younger days i met kurt angle because i was working for spike tv and we had had we had an opportunity to do some stuff for t._n._a. He was wrestling for a i wrote a skit for for spike tv v dot com and we did it at the universal lot and i really got to know kurd very well and i actually drove him from the hotel to the lie. We spent a lot of time together together. You told me that i reminded him of brian goertz. Who's a longtime w._b. Writer now i think he works for the rock. Exclusively who also went to syracuse and kirk couldn't have been nicer to me and even tried to get me a job as a creative team. Member had a brief conversation sation with jeff jarrett at the time didn't work out kurt was actually the one who told me about chris benoit and that horrible tragedy. We're actually really close. He was telling me about in the n._f._l. Came to him and tried to get him to sign their the ultimate fighter. There was a period where we were very close over time we sort sort of drifted apart but kurt was very kind to me early on and when i started my career as a journalist and i launched jerry park dot com october of two thousand seven my very first interview was with kurt angle october of two thousand seven dave meltzer wrote about me like an hour and a half he had just gotten in a bit of hot water and spoke about that and was was always just you know salt of the earth kind of guy always very kind to me and it was nice to catch up with him all these years laters nice to reunite and i appreciate our friend michael once-over for hooking me up with this in honor of kobe covington. Did you see the heat that koby covington got on saturday walking into the honda center incredible and it sounds like he's gonna keep that theme music as i dropped my kurt angle toy here. I'm going to put it like this so that was fun thanks to w._w._e. Reef hooking us up with kurt angle and his thoughts on a few things before we get to our next guest. Let me tell you about my good friends over at light stream credit card bills you know them. You hate them every month you you get them with multiple payments multiple dates. Wouldn't it be easier as you look at the king of the ring bracket. Wow well done corporate. Jake look at you. You got it all. What does it be easier to have just one payment at a lower rate and then we get rosenberg on your break it down. How about that that gebran. I love rosenberg. He's reading his torah reading on the show. 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M. dot com slash area subject to credit approval rate includes a point five percent auto pay discount terms and conditions apply and offers are subject to change without notice again visit light stream dot com slash area for more information support them because this let me look at this bracket here my pick my pick certainly not that gebran kevin owens. My pick is going to be ricochet. That's my pick ricochet ricochet versus shelton benjamin. He's still around dang okay. Maybe cochet ricky sheriff's mojo. That's my all right all right okay now. Let's move along to our next guest so big news. Perhaps unexpected news last week stephens through his back and you were called back in february. He took his gloves off. Put them in the middle of the cage never actually said the r. word but it sounded like maybe he was leaning inning towards retirement in the end. He has not retired. He's back december seventh against ben rothwell in washington. Let's talk to him about that right now right here on the program there is stephan. It's true stephan. How are you what's up. I'm really good man. How are you. I'm doing great. Thank you for doing this and apologies for changing the time on you so many times. I appreciate you being so flexible people. Thank you very much really just got back from training so it all works out. Okay great so welcome back. And why did you decide to do this and not officially retire you know as i said when i made the announcement i wasn't arms-length syria. I am looking back in time to think about things because i didn't really have lots of you. Took some time off to think about everything rest my body and my mind and <hes> yeah i was i was burned out. I think <hes> back in february i <hes> went to <hes> a a difficult <hes> you know heart stretch of fights with three losses and then <hes> five in february and start very well either. Luckily i was able to change that around but <hes> so i <hes> three losses in a row really had to <hes> <hes> you know push you a hurdle mentally in february and then there were a lot of injuries too at do hand surgeries his shoulder surgery <hes>. I thought we'd broken ribs. I blow back for <hes> for one five during five weeks. <hes> it just wasn't fun anymore and i put so much work and time in my career because i moved to florida not really making laws like the first couple of years with awesome and then <hes> you know when you put so much work and then you don't get the results back <hes>. It's really <hes> you know. It's <hes> you know. It doesn't give you what you want out of it so i was. I was happy with that. Winner is really needed some time off and do <hes>. Do you think about everything but i the time off did me in very well and <hes> professional mice clear and ready to going how how close are you to going the opposite direction just saying i'm done. I was john wooden february okay for a while. I really thought i was on people would ask me. Are you gonna fight again at that. Point was no. I really didn't feel like fighting. Point really needs time off into <hes>. Really you know understand how much i like doing one is too and how passionate about doing this and really isn't <hes> another thing right now that i i would rather do and that i'm s dispassionate about so <hes> yeah. I really enjoy doing days getting ready for the fighting. You know getting getting my handwriting. Knocking acting really is one of the biggest honors is for me. It really is the ultimate thrill to to win a fight and <hes> did she do all this so i'm still the very young and <hes> i felt like if i would walk away i would regret it and <hes> that's something i really don't wanna do so. I feel good and <hes> <hes> really enjoying training again. I'm i'm very fit already and i'm looking forward to december. When did you start to turn the corner and did something help you turn in the corner like did you have an epiphany. Did you talk to someone or watch something that made you think i can't be done now. I just needed time off. You know to to over think everything and then talk ought to everybody around me. That's normal important to me and they all said you know we can say whatever you want. You know the skill set you have <hes> we. We know that you know the the losses in your last a couple of fights. I could've gone the other way too. You're you're really good fighter. If you are mentally there then you you. Can you know you're one of the best in his game. So <hes> is related really is up to you. If you wanna do it and when i said i really needed some time off i didn't do much much <hes> and then after a while you got <hes> annoyed with myself and <hes> annoyed with training outta goal. I really need that goal during my training sessions who really have fun with this and <hes> yeah just getting what i say getting ready for the fight and doing all that and fighting my way up to the level where i'm at and <hes> it's just too much fun for me to walk away from it right now and did you check out the heart. Everything okay there because i saw a lot of comments comments about that. People could turn everything okay yeah. Everything's good you know. All my checkups are good. He's been stable <hes> ever since i found it <hes> i'm back in two thousand thirteen. <hes> you know improved a lot at first and then since then it's been it's been very stable. I yeah i really know how the dad <hes> you know that good to say so what what do not do so <hes> and if if there would be any concern from the doctor's island i wouldn't be doing this. If i any concern that it would be yeah it would have been doing this then. I wouldn't be doing and to the best of my knowledge. Your contract was up with that last fight correct yeah so that that really helped 'cause. I was really able to get away from everything. I had no contract. <hes> you know nobody reached out for a you. Wanna get ready for a fight fight. I ready for a fight or whatever you know. I had nothing so that was really really good to be away from everything for a little bit and then then after a while. I really got to drive back. You really start to feel that. I wanted to do it again. So did you talk to any other organizations like were you free to anyone. Yeah i know the contract signed up for the first couple of months u._c.'s exclusive and we we had some interest but you know i just feel really good with the a._f._c. <hes> i've been with them for ten years. They always treated with me. Well <hes> <hes> they gave me a good new deal with that too and i'm just excited to continue my career with your see. And what about this matchup against rothwell. Did you like it yeah. It was <hes> it was the first guy they offered and i. I slept the night on. It and i really like the match up. I think it's really good match up. <hes> it's gonna be fun them really. I think it really is gonna come down to once more at night. I know you've been asked about this before but since it happened again on saturday like when you see steep a winning the belt considering other than d._c. You're the guy to beat them. Stop him in the a._f._c. What does that what does that like for you. What does that do for you inside. You know it will always be fun. You know i have a win over someone like that. Who who spent much best in this soon you'll see right now but on the other hand you know i i got one win. If i would be on winning streak it would be totally different because you know i really do believe that he wanted five back to but we're not always so far away yeah. It's only fun fact you know i'm only focused on <hes> on fighting bomb in december and nothing else should be important for me anyway until that point so and not not trying to get ahead of ourselves here but i do see us like i'm sure you've thought as well all you have to do is win like two three in a row while he's champion and that's a very easy fight to promote right. It's it's the story line is perfect especially after all i went through my career and then come back and challenged him. That'd be awesome in be one alabama oliver match up <hes> but i believe he's gonna fight our friends in gotten next. I think that's the most logical matchup right now and ghani was is a very hard fights or anybody with <hes> you know with his guys speaking nature in the best way of word. So how many times have you watched that fight and wins the last time you watched it my payment yeah i see i see highlights coming by especially when he fights right yeah meeting and all that stuff's associate coming by but <hes> i don't know man i watch if i while <hes> can remember honestly when when i'm watching it probably probably and my last <hes> my last camp i tried to watch fights and know things that i should do them do so since considering retirement. You're only thirty one like if you would have stopped. What do you think you would have done. That's that's another one right because there is not an right now that really unless passionate about as many that really i wake up at night and already right now. I don't think in about the nassar what i need to do and how i'm going to get ready and what we need to improve on trading. We asked to call this training <unk>. Who are gonna you know involved in the training camp. If you have that when you wake up at night <hes> even before you know getting despite and getting the contact. I out straining feeling wake up night night. I'd have questions like that. You know and my opinion if you if you have if you if you have the kind of passion to walk away from something that one <hes> <hes> and you know for like i see the comments especially in the game someone retires or thinks about retiring comes back. I'm i'm starting to sense it now with gustafsen as well especially when you're you're young when you're on the other side of thirty five not towards forty but towards thirty everyone everyone expects of course you're going to come back. Why now that you've gone through that. Why is it so hard for fighters to say goodbye. Yeah you know you start art. Something especially guys we start so young and you you build yourself up to <hes> to a point where you are. You know doing very aiglon sport. He's been in the top division for sometimes you hate this. You know you have training leaker training day and <hes> i'm not hitting the thing <hes> but sometimes you have a day where everything works out and you go home and that's when you know when you know how much up this is the the feeling side weak and feeling walk into the aachen. Sometimes you aid yourself putting yourself there but you know it's also you know for us. It's the ultimate the thrill and then get your hand race. It's everything together. It's just yeah. There's there's very few things in this world that made me feel and i hate hey. Hey feeling scared. Put al though it's very odd you step away from something like that and <hes> for me and some guys wait for a couple of years but <hes> in my opinion waiting couple years when do me any favors taking more time off <hes> yeah. I got that feeling that when i just explain that i still i i still got this. I can still do this and that's why i made that. Susan and i think it. I don't know what everybody's different right. I just hope okay for a guy like gossiping that you really find something that he's national about. Is this or that refined s- passion 'cause he's admitting fighter. Welcome well welcome back. Stephan congrats on the new deal good to have you back looking forward to return december seventh in washington against ben rothwell. Thank you for doing this all right. There is the skyscraper the tallest fighter in u._f._c. history six eleven and a half returns to action after flirting with retirement great photo of him putting down his gloves after his win back in february but he has decided against it and has gotten a new contract as well didn't really test waters as he said and now he's back and you know who else is back nate d. s. He's back what return on saturday some thoughts eighty eight years. That was just unbelievable. I mean for a guy to come back after a three-year layoff and to seem as popular like the fans did not forget. I didn't think they were gonna forget but he was the star of the week i mean i don't know if you were watching e._s._p._n. On on saturday but the bottom line where they feature a fight it was d._s. Pettus us that had become the main event as far as the public was concerned all the the numbers everything was trending in their direction and even not showing up to mediate so that becomes a story showing up with the joint that becomes a story everything that this man does and you sit back. I like oh. He's not educated. He's not smart. No he's actually one of if not the smartest and he says things like like you hear him talk about why he's calling muslim. You're like yeah that makes sense. I get it. I understand dan what he's talking about wants to fight for the baddest m._f._a. Title out there i mean only nate and nick can get away with this sort of thing and we've talked about how twenty nine thousand nine maybe there haven't been the deepest cards and you have sees always searching for a superstar to have him come back after that lay off and have them play in a fight against someone not named conor mcgregor and to come across the way in which he did to have the gate break the california eh may record which is just absolutely absurd heard considering all the great events that have happened in that state over the years over the past twenty or so years is a testament to everything that he's done everything. He has stood for everything. The he said was going to come to fruition when people were laughing at him when he was calling himself the best the c._e._o. Show up like that because i was worried. I thought maybe the like cakes. I thought all right are we going to see the r._d._a. Nate diaz or are we going to see the michael johnson eighty s we saw the michael johnson eight years and maybe even better than that nate years. I thought he wants to be around to none. I thought he looked phenomenal and i told you in my column on e._s._p._n. Dot com and i also told you on this show and air on the bad guy he's looking at mazal and what's the first thing that comes out of his mouth or the second mas vidal he respects mas with all he knows mazdas hot. He knows that's a fight that the people want. He knows that's a fight that gets paid and he made his message very clear. He said it or hey maswadeh. That's who i want and you could see the look on my face. That's that's who he wants as well look at that smile he was thrilled. He said yes. I'm in we'll worry about. The title shot later. We'll worry about leeann edwards. No i'm i am in on this one and this is a much-needed jolt for the u._f._c. to have him back. I mean this is a gigantic fight. I was on the dan. Le batard show earlier today. They didn't ask me a single question about cormie for me. Amiach not a single question about john jones or anything like that all the questions were about as we're about horia mas but i know they're a florida based miami based show and mas big there these days but that just speaks to how big of a deal they ideas celebrities love him fans love him fighters offers love him and it was just he has that superstar aura to him now he really does and you know there had been some rumblings that that nick his brother nick the great nick and nate weren't on the best of terms. These days weren't as you know weren't as close as i love the fact that in almost every interview every we soundbite nate diaz had last week he was always shouting out the nikki as army even in the cage. He mentioned his brother. I thought that that was beautiful full and that photo that emerging when's the last time you saw them together. In a photo there was a photo posted right before he went to the arena with chrissy and the rest of the team. There's nick there's nate and i posted this on saturday that excerpt from when i spoke to nick almost five years ago when he got suspended by nevada for marijuana saying that <hes> you know he has to figure out a way to save his brother he got him in this mess and now have to figure out a way to get him out of it and i hope once again that nick is proud of his brother because i always know oh that he had felt weird about getting his brother in the fight game and somewhat guilty for that and now look what he's become. He's become a million dollar plus fighter later. He's become a true prizefighter above belts. I mean a real draw in his own right and the truth is amazingly. He has surpassed past his brother. In terms of stardom like at his peak. Nick was never this popular and that's no knock on nick. Unfortunately he was fighting in smaller organizations. He didn't have the attention and strikeforce left the u._f._c. All that and more to the hardcore is absolute legend though will never be another but in terms of mainstream popularity native ada surpass them and that's thanks in large part to the connor fights but now he doesn't want conor he has found someone else and how about put nate and mazda kind of boxing out connor. I think is an interesting development. Connor did not have a good week last week. Clearly you saw the video oh allegedly punching an older man in a bar. We heard about the story back in april. Now we saw the footage and it's hard to stomach that footage and it's hard to defend that footage and now you're starting to see see fighters who he thought were tied to him thought were tied to his you know his presence and his success now just kind of coming out and being content with moving on and you're starting to feel like every time i see like when we ask about him and you have to acknowledge him. The fans are kind of rolling their eyes and i know that's kind of the way it is on the internet. I know that's the way the france can be but you're starting to see fans. Kinda come to terms with the fact that maybe he's not coming back. I think he is i think he will fight. I think by this time next year he will have fought at least once. I think he recognizes that for his brand and for his popularity in for everything else that he's trying to accomplish outside out of the cage he does have to right the ship. He does have to come back. He has to back in the good graces of the people like. I don't think he's sitting back and say how do people like me. How do i get them to like me again but i think he needs to start feeling some success enjoying some success. He has not won a fight since august twentieth almost exactly no excuse me since november of two thousand sixteen so in in november of this year will be three years. Tomorrow's the anniversary of his win over an atheist yes in what was one of the craziest five and a half months in u._f._c. History might be in v. craziest and <hes>. We did a little fun thing about that on the t._v. Show that airs tomorrow on either e._s._p._n. E._s._p._n. news. I'm not sure which one but now you're starting to see guys just kind of make their own call money fights without him and move on with them and at this point i thought needed to them i don't. I don't know if we necessarily need them right now. I still think nate versus connor is probably the biggest fight that you have put on i think d._c. Jones three is maybe number two but like nate verses mazda. I was going to do very well now. They figured out well. They pay them what they want. You heard what nate said like. I'll come back soon. I'm ready to go. You know mazarin. I'll keeps talking about payment. Will they figure this out. Will they get those guys what they want. That's going to be the big question. We already know like look how easy this is. When's the last time an a._t._s. fight. Was this easy to make. We already know we know who he wants like he could not have been more clear in fact. I was a little surprised that he was that clear about what he wanted next. He wants him hospital. That's the only guy he talked about aren't even think he entertained tained connor questions on saturday. I don't even know if he said connor's name on saturday certainly didn't say colby covington's name. That's a that's a pretty funny any clip. That's been passed around but we know what he wants and we clearly know that. Mazda del wants that unfortunately i'm being told holden mazdas feeling under the weather. We're still trying. We're still trying to get him but right now. We don't have him just yet. Unfortunately unfortunately we may have to not talk to them today but his managers trying and i appreciate him try but it sounds like he's very sick and in bed and obviously don't want to bother mm-hmm. I spoke to him briefly yesterday. He wants that fight. Trust me on this. He wants that fight and so we'll see what happens if they're able to figure it out corporate. Jacobs has posted the statement. Is that accurate. I'm not seeing this not exactly perusing the internet right now. Can i see the statement. I'll read it for the first time oh my i don't have my glasses on. Let me see if i could pull this up. Keep it up there and i'll see marie the sustained and from dana cormie that was apparently posted moments ago. It's been a couple of days and i can't stress disappointment. I'm so sorry to all. I have let down onto my wife and kids. I'm so sorry you guys had to experience that. I never wanted y'all to see that and the hurt you guys showed breaks my heart every time i think about it my coaches i am. I'm sorry i appreciate the work in time. You've spent with me my fans. Thank you guys for the love and support you have guided me to all these amazing accomplishments steep khachigian his team congratulations on a tremendous victory. You showed so much heart and grit you read the definition of cleveland tough dana white and all at the u._f._c. Thank you for for everything. You've done for me and my family. This has been the most amazing journey will decide what i'm going to do now and as soon as i decide you all know right away i love you all they have it from dana cormie and that was posted twenty three minutes ago and so as you see there you know as as i said at the top this is a man who doesn't take the feet well and i don't mean that like as a sore loser clearly very gracious loser and appro <hes> giving props to stay but he will take some time and i'm happy taking time and he's not doing this emotional happy taking time to sit back. He doesn't have to rush and we'll see what happens as far as than your corneas futures concerned for now though let's move logged our next guest say hello to a man who had a massive win on saturday against you romero kind enough to join us is shia polo kosta via the skype machine paulo my friend ben. How're you a ah y'all i need. Thank you very much here with you and you fan. All you'll watch. I see my role. Yes and thank you too. Captain eric who i think's sprinted over there to perhaps wake you up and do you this so i appreciate both of you very much on this monday. Congratulations on the win. Paulo was very brutal fight. How are you feeling a couple of days later as a <hes> wild by a few happy because i i did get my my. I beat your manager. Ryobi's maybe the most <hes> over the most dangerous of the word for lots what's people he beat and that's something i show it to everybody out there will that i am i can be the ship and be the real beast and i have more dangerous then he <hes> have semi dress my body <hes> i i. I'm ankle. I'm i did very hard keeps on his body and that he's had and <hes> i remember who look up to hold say one nine one when he fought <unk> against her married. He's looked like <hes> i oh man you know i i he. He is with my sheen. We've all my father and my uncle was almost broke. The need to to make <hes> to see. Is that the hardest that you've ever been and what happened these energy us about a year but not on the fight broke in my ear. Oh on the five and i received some is a free. Oh my and i love the last time has a feeling does it hurt. Look demands. Go awhile stitching but we'll be fine okay. Have you ever been hit that hard before and your career in your life the man no it's very hard. It's a very strange on his functions. Oranges and i also believe that was the first time that you went the distance right the full fifty minutes. What was is that like for you. How did you feel afterwards. You feel very tired very i control my guess control my stomach not <hes> elaine is on the first round second around but when i i feel more tired as the ball to who was more energy oh <hes> i try make the violence if my image in his take enough you very tired and so i know there was some bad feelings towards you know romero between both view now. Do you feel like it's over between two like. Are you okay now. No hard feelings anymore. That's versus gracious. He's a nice guy but he kind of fide his. I five is really dirty. Hey how that because look at him okay in their foot and i make who on his gene and he's dow and he out and he up and i say man i love hung out in the first half because if you might my brush my first but and i hunt he doggone close to knock me out why something on the anywhere i go. Oh yeah like look at bo and i lose micro situation because you want. There's something maybe mount all. I'm not the guy i was trying five three and he wants something like the mouthpiece made the how i've seen man man happy something happy so i was situation mush my face in but he he <hes> my space and hit my neck and i lost my balance and i fall so this one fee the central thing my knee. My knee not not hit his oh my ninety he his stomach and he said oh my mom saying tom job to bed and they're being stopped up so maybe i don't know him. Maybe he's a nice guy. I start what he's gonna. Fight is not not <hes> aw yeah. I understand what you're saying and he is. He's been accused of that in the past so it's interesting to hear you talk about this now. I i saw video from coach. Captain eric that the great arnold schwarzenegger was sitting cage side and you have this amazing moment where he's he's sitting. There and i think we actually have the video right over here. Do we have this corporate. Jake look at this video in case. You missed it y'all d._c. The rest of the we'll see crew and you'll see fans that have problems pronunciation and translating paulo and ricky cost nickname. They call me the eraser join hands. I raise you. He named himself after theorized sir so there's arnold schwarzenegger with you incredible moment what what did you say to arnold when you're leaning over the fence and i'm a kaleo fan big fun of and this guy won one day on on he's he's house. Today's a one day before that that you showing <hes> hogan oh yeah to my english watch the english overseas <hes> without <hes> subscribe and he say hey paulo you need to this movie de razor and i watched with he and i love that movie old mode but they would if arnold schwarzenegger and because my name me eraser or rubber is the staple has she <unk> rubber older our new raise it so you say now unique name your own english will be raised because the rubbish rubbish you don't wanna be yes take a little rubber yes and and if i showed you liz years there is a big big john and my name thrown view comfortable. You'll so <hes> <hes> thank you for for for bahir and evaluate gentlemen that he's the happening while to on on my hands the very very nice guy incredible and so he was caged is next eddie signing him up really the main villain. I you look like you should be movies. I mean look at your face such beautiful face. Why would you wanna get beaten up like that. I mean look at that. Oh my heart is these yeah. Why would you do this. You'll be a model or something. You should be a model not a fighter man a contract loophole again talk about yes. I think it's coming. I think it's coming but next for you you're going to australia. You're going to be there front row to watch whitaker ouda sonya. That's what you want yeah l. One that you watch on. I my next appointment on the first slide what you'd be there to grandeur. I don't know who we actually the first to find a way. I think you need but i want to and i think what you decide you. <hes> uh i will be there. I would say i hear you eat you. Figure it out because i are you hoping out of sonya wins because he said a lot of things about you. Even after your fight he tweeted a picture of gaz in a dinosaur. I don't know if you saw that that. I think maybe take a shot at your your reach or something like. Are you hoping you win so that you can fight this guy because there's an issue there between you and him. You believe i would say i'm rooting rooting running this way this five man i i i definitely will raise him chance events team he tall but not heavy chain not have confidence. I remember i saw aw i guess anderson. Silva and an issue woods is back in the cage with expectedly see. I'm on a one out of three fictional. It is big shampoo and not believe that that he's a true champ so and i've ever have wrestling. I proved that i can't face highly of arrested that you know america. Try would be out for the first time he's dry. I'm scramble him and he is he say oh my god i thou- easy and eric make a very very good online congenial on phoenix and against fighting hi don on e. hours of this five in five. Ish that face the dow's would how i i don't. I don't see something somebody dow yet but i can't believe these <unk>. I'm a very good balbo. Shot went fishing show and this is. I hope you want if you want your. I think he's he in one way drew also. Why do you think he's afraid. You said you feel like he's afraid. Why do you feel that way because <hes> his show a big coffee dance you when you when you're out that she when when you avoid some things some things is because you'll not feel real days <hes> yourself else episode meanchey food down at dow. They don't show the truth of this like mcgregor for example aggressively vegas this guy and everybody that but they <unk> out but the sonya is. He's a big for this. He's try uprise something. That is not okay. Wow i want to see that fight very much. I wanna see you versus. I decided not disrespecting thing would occur even if it's not for the belt i feel like we need to see this fight. You've versus israel. I ju i'm i. I try to make this this fight. I always left his face. He's us no i will inside gauge okay strong words and how about captain eric eric is the coach of the year or what has. He finally proved his point. Is he the man i'm waiting to read the show the the joke right now why wait 'til sever well. Let's how about this. Let's go back to january. This is what you said in january of this past year roll the tape twenty nineteen. We're gonna we're gonna break the mold. We're coming from at all you know. How do we about to be t._j. On their nineteen he's above the skinless snakes. We got portrays. Who's gonna continue his featherweight rain. Patricia pit bulls going to be the <hes> flyweight king. I mean yeah lightweight king and you kazakina twin nineteen could be another breakout year for him. Maybe he gets that title that will we we get up to four titles across the board so that's my plan and really not just give the credit to the fighters. I want the team of the year as long as they're producing and that's what i'm about. I'm dan. I'm listen you do all that twenty. One thousand nine is in the bag for you man. I mean i might as well just put. I'll put the trophy right over here. I'll just put your name right on the bad boy. If you do own that you have my word you win in it then i mean he's killing it right the guy's killing ah he's killing it. Well done captain eric. You a great coach. There and you guys are doing very well and paulo. I know you've come my friend. From emma. May fighting dot com dilemma. Emma kruse wrote a great feature on you. I know you've come from very little and you know you were shy and you just had to overcome a lot to see you now undefeated on the cusp <hes> right about the fight for a title this must be unbelievable for you and your family right from a small town in brazil undefeated. It's incredible right guys that you coach a. He can't <hes> <hes> for us buyers a lot. Confidence and shark died in okay. You don't need a cure yourself training a lot during eastwind very smart he knows how training us very smart and a focus and one goat like up lead vocals and there since you stuck it out and keep on extending up to knock out and i almost almost <hes> i was the <hes> <hes> i think the difference though after awhile he's <hes> he's is he very smart mark and he had a lot <hes> knowledge about how arias of the mate is he in know about <unk> about boxing's. You'd sue to mix their their techniques after shoes capacity and to accommodate the the best rings on each rider you oh you look he's. He looks for my my point and not my negative point so you said you for his that i see on when he's the best course of the year for sure well congratulations to you. Both what a great night for you. What a great year for you. Captain eric you continue to enjoy a lot of success and saturday night was no different huge win for paolo kosta. We'll see you <music> out there and australia. Thank you for doing this. Paulo appreciate it very much and put up ends. Enjoy the victory got do i you down in melbourne and i maybe all right. We'll see you there the eraser shinya nya great victory for him and a couple of things of note look at the english remember when we first had him on the show couldn't speak english now look at the english doing a whole interview essentially in english captain eric help them a couple times but that's very notable that goes a very long way. If you're able to speak english that's just the facts. It's it's not a bias towards english speaking but you're able you're able to connect with the audience trade to talk to the media. The most amount of media is here in north america and naive it to get your story out there. You're able to get your personality over. You're able to get your your fan base behind you and the fans in general behind you look at the way he's talking about his route assan yeah yeah that's huge. It's a lot more effective when it's coming out of his mouth even if it's broken english if it's coming through a translator so that is massive so whoever is helping him learn how to speak english. You are a very important part of this story. Make no mistake about it. Of course he has to go out there and win the fights but but if you're able to speak english and get your message across to the fans that's a massive part of the fight game for just a basketball player baseball player and not as important fighter extremely extremely important. This is prize fighting. You want people to pay to watch you fight. You want people to get emotionally invested in your journey. He's doing a phenomenal job so so credit to him there and how about dana white who typically doesn't commit to the next fight on saturday right typically doesn't do that but on saturday. He said that he will pay for custody to be in australia like there's nothing else to really say. At this point as far as the middleweight division is concern. He's the next guy he has to. It'd be the next guy banged up. He'll be there on october fifth marvel stadium and it's always great the division works out like that there is no one else even if whitaker loses at this point unless it's like an all time robbery or something like that i don't. I don't see any scenario where the run that one back instead of going with cost cost very marketable. He's very popular in brazil and now he's starting to get over in america's well. It's it's it's good when you do it when they position him on a card like that very good couple of stats from that fight which was just absolutely incredible credible so he's now thirteen o five fight. You have see win streak. It's the third longest active streak at midway behind champions robert whittaker in israel to sign yeah so there you go perfect. Perfect powell cost on your romero combined for two hundred forty. Three significant strikes landed the third largest combined tally in u._f._c. middleweight history according to u._f._c. stats eight point four significant strikes landed per minute are the second most in u._c. History just engaged. She point five live tied for the third most m._a. Wins without a loss among active u._f._c. fighters beep twenty-seven out of seventeen and he is one of twelve brazilian fighters to start their a u._f._c. career five and our better six of them. Were you have see champion so pretty. Good company for paolo costa coming off that big win and over your romero corporate getting all antsy tomita rap ooh why so anti-corporate jake trying to stretch some time hoping that mazda would wake up but wait wait he just wrote to me. Just wrote me one question. Ask them. We'll get get them over one question please. I'm begging you. He's so calm right now. He just said shape was wrapping me. Come on so maslow's feeling sick corporate jakes to rap. I'm sweating. I'm speaking speaking slowly and you just. I don't know he wrote. I'm ready. I don't know what that means. It might just be his manager of kabul will get some kind of comment on the nate diaz call out. I wanted to liver. I'll be stressing about this all week next week that we promoted someone in show up understand when you get sick. These things happen in anime. Come on. Don't let me down. This is big. This is live. This is how you do it. I've sent them. Maybe forty five text messages in the last thirty minutes while doing the live interview. We're going to get an answer. They called him out. He was there. It was his birthday yesterday not horry abe he was there front row right next to colby covington right next to max holloway nate diaz said he's a gangster mr but he's no west coast gangster and he wants to fight him for the baddest m effort title out there. The challenge has been thrown out. Will it be accepted. He saying no one is calling him b. Scott just do phone. Just do quick. I want you getting all stressed out. I want you getting a heart attack over there corporate. I'm jake. I'll stress tummy to wrap all caps. Will the challenge be accepted. We'll the phone call be answered. Let's get an answer. Is this going to happen. The two oh nine versus the three zero five stockton versus miami game bread versus nathan they india's doesn't have a nickname to nine versus three or five. Those are like two of the more okay corporate virginia telling me to talk about. Are you there. Yes we got you. Hey listen. They were trying to tell me to rap. They were telling me to close the show and i was how many texts i send you in the last hour or so. What's going on with a few. He's just a little we had a a a red eye last night and right before we got on the flight data already feeling a little under the weather and i just think the fight and lack of sleep sort of amplified everything so he right now is just not. He's not feeling well so he was just like i'm going to go to sleep and i'm going to let you know when you have woken up yet so he's not he's not feeling well right now. Okay no hard feelings but i have to ask you were standing there. Our cage side called horry mazda. We have not heard from jorges since does he want this fight. I believe so. I believe that's a that's a it's a good to fight. <hes> i think both these guys will go on. Put on a show for everybody and i think that's what we all want. I mean. I don't know if you're i'm. I'm a fight fan at heart before i am anything else and if you're like this is like christmas for everybody has talked about wanting to get paid. He has to get paid and i think that's that's inevitable. You know you guys put sixteen years into the game. He's never been a problem for anybody. Whether it comes to these sada comes to making wake comes to <hes> you know showing up being on time putting on shows. He's always done so <hes>. I think you know she's put in his time and i think the u._s._c. understands that i think the fans fans understand that i think he understands that so. I just want to get paid it. Have there been any talks after the call. I mean nate was very forward with his requests like he usually sometimes sometimes beats around the bush. He was very clear with what he wanted after the flight and since then any talks from the u._f._c. are they interested right after the fight. I have brief conversation conversation with with the <hes> the higher ups and it looks like you know they. They like the fight so that being said we should be <hes>. We should be getting together sometime this week to see how that goes. Okay and is there a chance. It happens in twenty nine thousand nine. Maybe december fourteenth las vegas m._s._g. Thinking i think that would be fantastic. I don't personally m._s._g. Not because of any other reason just just talking about court. Hey you know briefly and whatnot. I think december in vegas is probably where he would prefer. Actually he wants to go to kelly from <hes> you know i don't wanna get too much. I'd rather it comes from hitting me <hes> so i'll try to keep it as simple as possible but you know keep he looks at this white more like you know the till he's gonna go into someone else's backyard and prefers that over anything else so vegas is the closely he could get get to the cowley then vegas did he feel offended with nate saying like he's a gangster but no west coast cancer like is this personal between them man. You know that one thing one thing that <hes> for his drink at doing is <hes> taking what other people say and kind of like you know giving it back to them so i'll wait until so he does that i know i know you want more out of the area and i apologize for this but i don't want to steal his his time. It's i can't come for me but he will. He will be responding to that as as well and i think <hes> you know the fans will appreciate his response okay and let me ask you just to be clear. You said title shot or bus right. That's what you guys were saying after the winner. This is the one exception i believe so. I believe you know everybody up. Look at it from from financial standpoint for these guys. They are prize fighters. They're not fighting just to say hey. I'm a u._f._c. fighter fighting for a paycheck and if the biggest paycheck at the time comes with the title then why would he take fight outside of that right now. It's a bigger paycheck presents itself then. I think the title becomes the title then at that point. <hes> is the biggest fight so you know i think that absolutely the accession that is from the on the planet titles also where the as well dude. I'm about to go out to the local <hes> store over here. I'm about to design one of the i know you wanna battle belts and if i get if i get his blessing i'm gonna make sure he supports that everywhere because that's right. Now you know we say what we want about about nate and and nick god bless them. They're two of the bats news we know but i mean i'm telling you here. In in the east coast three zero five miami and people don't survive. You're like that. It's a little different our flag man university of miami the canes it's just different east coast swaggie different than the west. Go swag these guys you know big into park and now we got named nori. Oh my gosh look choose selling the fight now getting all tinley inside two things. Can you throw it a number for us us. What are we looking for. What are we asking for here. No i can't do that 'cause that's not. That's not sure i'm not gonna. I'm i won't do that right now. I will say i will say you know it's just be. I really more than anything just to be fair and we'll be good okay. You have a number though i have a number of my head yeah okay and last but not least what are the chances we see john jones fight steep amiach. It's you know that john john said publicly in the past. He's not looking to move up to heavyweight. That's his words not mine <hes> if he were to go to heavyweight you know the the number has to be right because it's it's a completely different scenarios for john. You know <hes> light heavyweight as his home <hes> you know when you're king of a castle you you tend to go out there and go try to conquer other castles and in john's case he's more. He's he will bonker. Every every type of you know opponent. There is out out there for him at like heavyweight. He's still feel that the division is growing. There's a lot of good young names out there that are still coming up and he feels you know these are people that will eventually try to threaten his throne instead of going up to heavyweight and then losing sight of the young up and comers that are coming up <hes> for that to threaten him. He feels like he should be focusing on his his division now again. I believe that the number is right. You know everyone's got a price. Everyone has a price. I believe the number is right and then i think you know staying john could happen but that's those were his words. Those those those are coming from john not me that he said that publicly you want me to go up to the heavyweight. I think you'd have to but he never wants to mention as an opponent like that you know he he tweeted out one time. I'm <hes> <hes> me and you know this and that i don't know if he was just trying to you know ruffled feathers a little bit and get people talking if he did do that like that then you know it's there but anything anything is possible in this sport and that's why we love her right as the million dollar man once said everyone has a price. Oh man that's my guy could yossi yes abe hey thank you for doing this. Tell no hard feelings even though he let me at the altar. I still love him he will he will make it up to you know he does. That's cool. Thank thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you areas abraham cowley one of the very best in the business. I apologize for the boswell situation but you heard it from the horse's mouth not feeling well. These these things happen sometime but i'm glad that we got a bit of an update there as you can hear there is interest. There is interest corporate. You could hit the music. Don't worry buddy. Everything's it's gonna be okay. See me slowly but surely i was reading that copy i was like what else can i read here to kill some time and there we did it. How i think it just like blew it my shoulder doing that. I think that's a sign and need to go to bed. I've done too much. It's been a fun day. Also i regret throwing the paper. No here okay fun day my friends u._f._c. two forty one in the books was that daniel cormie as his last fight who will steep kitsch fight in his first title defense after winning about again. I second title defense. You know what i'm talking. What about who's pol cost gonna fight for the belt is route asana or rubber whitaker. We'll nathan versus horry mazar doll happen happen and if so will it happen this year what's up with corey san hagan. Where does he fed all those questions to be answered and that's why this game is so much fun when you exit event with a lot of questions fancier poison hagan steep nick newell eddie alvarez francis in ghana holly home mike perry kurt angle stefan struve powell kosta elsa abraham. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thanks to all of you who have tuned in once again. If you miss anything check out. I tunes google youtube twitter. All those plays a more back next week same time place until that i say pace.

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AP Headline News Feb 12 2019 14:00 (EST)

AP Radio News

03:15 min | 1 year ago

AP Headline News Feb 12 2019 14:00 (EST)

"Stacy's asia. After years of enroll dope within an inch of my life. I'm free receipts of a mind of their own go, paperless and manager travel expenses online with my taxi business, make the smarter choice of my taxi dot com. Radio news. I'm Tim Maguire, El Chapo found guilty on all counts. AP's Warren Levinson as this from New York jury returned a verdict against the notorious drug Lord Joaquin Guzman on its sixth day of deliberation. The drug trafficking charges could put the sixty one year old defendant in prison for life. He was accused of smuggling two hundred tons of cocaine and of using torture and murder to cement his control of the Sinoloa drug cartel. He was famous for escaping from prisons in Mexico and the trial was held under extrordinary security before an anonymous jury El Chapo, stared straight ahead is the jury verdict was read catching the eye of his wife in the gallery afterward. She gave him a subtle thumbs up. Warren Levinson, New York. President Trump says he's not thrilled thrilled with bipartisan agreement on border funding. But he is thrilled with the direction of the border wall that he is demanding happy with where we're going. I'm thrilled. Where supplementing things and moving things around and were doing things that are fantastic and taking from far less really from far less important areas. Trump wouldn't say if he will sign the legislation that is likely to be quickly passed by both the house and Senate study, I'm not happy about it. It's not doing the trick. The measure has to become law midnight Friday into Saturday morning in order to void another partial government shutdown. The mother of three year old boy who disappeared in Nevada in nineteen Eighty-six has been arrested charged with his murder north Las Vegas police chief Pam oheka says torn up jailhouse letters written by the mother. Amy Fleming to her then fiance led to a break in the case evidence coming to light and the investigating detectives completed completing an affidavit for aggressed Warren for Fleming for the charge of murder. Fleming was arrested in Florida. The boy's body has not been found stocks continued today's gain after lawmakers reached. Tentative deal to avoid another government shutdown. This radio news. A study in the journal nature communications describes a possible impact future. Global warming on US citizens AP's Jennifer king with more new study tries to explain climate change by looking at the future climate of cities under global warming. Then comparing them too hot or southern cities of today said he lead author Matt Fitzpatrick ecology professor at the university of Maryland looked at different variables under two different climate change scenarios in about sixty years if carbon emissions keep soaring, the cities in the study would move about five hundred twenty eight miles to the south climate wise, Chicago will feel more like hands a city. San Francisco will feel like Los Angeles, Washington DC will feel like the Mississippi delta. I'm Jennifer king. A man who wanted to be a firefighter in Bridgeport, Connecticut is suing the city after he was rejected because he uses medical marijuana the Connecticut post reports James Verlaine, the third says he passed all the eligiblity requirements, but was denied after. Testing positive for pot. I'm Tim Maguire AP radio news.

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NPR News: 04-17-2020 12AM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 4 months ago

NPR News: 04-17-2020 12AM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Shay Stevens. The trump administration is unveiling a plan to begin easing social distancing guidelines in phases. Over the coming weeks Dr Deborah burks coordinates the White House Corona Virus Task Force so certain criteria has to be met. I we are tracking the number of and it must have downward trajectory for fourteen days as well as the influenza illness and the syndrome illnesses and a downward trajectory and the number of positive tests with persistence of high levels of testing. Burke says there are also the deed for assurances that hospitals can treat all patients without having to resort to crisis care and she says a robust system must be in place for testing at risk. Healthcare workers and emergency responders. Boeing is preparing for the return of twenty seven thousand workers who were furloughed because of the cove nineteen pandemic. Npr's David Schaper reports that the aerospace giant says it'll start reopening manufacturing plants in Washington state. Next week Boeing says it will restart production. It has commercial airplane facilities in phases beginning Monday April twentieth with all of the plants in the puget sound area reopening by Thursday. The Twenty Fourth Boeing is implementing new safety procedures to prevent the spread of the corona virus including staggering. Shift Start Times to reduce the number of employees going in and out of the plants at the same time the company will also use floor markings to create physical distance between workers in employees will be required to wear face coverings and other protective gear among those returning will be workers preparing to restart production of the seven thirty seven. Max Assembly line which has been shut down since January assign. The troubled plane could be recertified within the next couple of months. David Schaper. Npr News Leeann envoy on Yemen says the corona virus pandemic has galvanizing peace efforts is NPR's Michelle Kellerman reports. The diplomat is optimistic that the warring parties will reach a lasting ceasefire agreement. You went on Martin. Griffiths says he's making progress in talks with the Saudi led coalition and with the iranian-backed who the rebels in Yemen. He's expecting them to adopt his proposal for a nationwide ceasefire. Saying it's time to silence the guns and focus on fighting cove in nineteen not face to France at the same time a war and depending on the new battle Yemen faces in confronting. The virus will be all consuming the UN humanitarian chief is urging donors to help Yemen to saying his funding is running out Michelle Kellerman. Npr News Washington. China has reported its biggest economic decline since the nineteen seventies. The world's second largest economy shrank six point eight percent from a year earlier in the first quarter this after factories shops and travel shut down to contain covert nineteen. You're listening to NPR news. A federal judge has denied Roger Stone's bid for new trial. Judge Amy. Berman Jackson rejected stones allegations that his case was tainted by jury misconduct and political bias. The trump confidante has been sentenced to more than three years in prison for obstruction and witness tampering. He's expected to appeal his conviction actor. Brian Dennehy has died. At the age of eighty-one some fans may remember him for his roles in the movies Rambo and cocoon others may recall his portrayal of Willy. Loman character in the stage classic death of a salesman. Npr's Andrew Limbaugh has this brief. Look back at Denny's career in first blood. Brian Dennehy played a small town. Sheriff keeping an overzealous. I on John. Rambo is a vacuum. I'd say it's boring. But that's the way we like it he told. Whyy's fresh air that he was inspired to go into acting after watching Marlon Brando in on the waterfront. For the first time I saw that picture I realized that there were people in the business who looked like me and who sounded like me. Who came from places like I came from Brian? Dennehy was born in Nineteen thirty eight in Bridgeport Connecticut. He's starred in films and TV but even growing up he had a particular fondness for theatre. Dennehy won two Tony Awards one for his role in death of a salesman and one for Long Day's journey into night Andrew Limbaugh. Npr News on Wall Street stocks posted modest gains with the Dow Jones industrials adding thirty three points in pre market trading the US futures are higher. The Dow Jones is up nearly three percent Stevens. Npr News in Washington.

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NPR News: 06-19-2019 12AM ET

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04:56 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 06-19-2019 12AM ET

"This message comes from NPR sponsor could veto live culture, drinks, celebrating all the lively cultures that NPR brings to life now in over twenty bold and refreshing flavors bubbling with effervescence and alive. Like you all. K. E V, I T A dot com. Live from NPR news in Washington, I'm Shay Stevens. President Trump's twenty twenty reelection campaign is officially underway. Trump kicked off his bid for a second term at an Orlando rally where he talked up, what he says are his administration's achievements. He also warned that Democrats want to destroy his supporters and the rest of the nation or no issue Democrats more extreme and more depraved than wanna comes to border security. The democrat agenda of open borders is morally reprehensible, Trump's reelection campaign kickoff came a day after he announced plans to deport millions of people living in the US illegally starting next week, a meeting between White House adviser Jared Kushner is raising some concerns among Trump's supporters as NPR's Frank or Donas reports Kushner, met with congressional lawmakers, who were seeking citizenship for people brought to the US illegally as children, Jared Kushner was spotted leaving Senator Lindsey Graham's office, where he also met with democratic Senator, dick Durbin. They talked about grams efforts to tighten asylum law. But another person familiar with the talks said that Graham and Durban, what Kushner to support measures for so called dreamers brought to the United States illegally as children. It's unclear where these discussions will go. Graham said last week, he's willing to work with Democrats to fix this mess, and that nothing is off the table, but immigration hardliners worry Trump's immigration policy, is being watered down, and should be focused. Solely on and force -ment, Franko, Donas, NPR news, Washington. Judge in Connecticut is sanctioned conspiracy. Theorist Alex Jones for what she calls a despicable tirade against the attorney representing families of sandy hook school shooting victims. They've is done of, of member station. W S, H U has the story Jones pounded, his fist on a picture of attorney, Chris Matty, during a recent broadcast of his web show Matty represents the families suing Jones for defamation Jones repeatedly claimed the shooting was a hoax, Mattie spoke to reporters after the ruling his conduct. And I think the court concluded this really threaten the integrity of judicial proceedings here in Connecticut. Jones's lawyer said his conduct was inappropriate, but not threatening Jones was responding to allegations that he sent lawyers files that included child pornography as part of the case. The judge ordered Jones to pay attorney's fees to Matty's team and blocked his attorneys from attempts to dismiss the case, brought by families of the victims for NPR news. News. I'm Davis done of an in Bridgeport, Connecticut, mowing again selling. It's seven thirty seven max aircraft. The company says it has signed a letter of intent with British Airways, parent, international airlines group, or I AG if the deal receives final approval, two hundred of the planes would be delivered to airlines owned by AG between twenty twenty three and twenty twenty-seven. Max thirty seven thirty sevens were grounded in March following two deadly crashes. This is NPR news. California governor Gavin Newsom is apologizing for his states mistreatment of native American saying it amounted to genocide. He's also announced the creation of a council to examine the state's role in the killing an exploitation of indigenous people newsome's office notes that in eighteen fifty one, the California legislature approved almost one point three million dollars to subsidize militia campaigns against native Americans during the gold, rush Newsome says the state can't undo it's wrongs, but can own up to them in Zimbabwe inflation, hit ninety eight percent during the month of may a situation that analysts blame on the devaluation of the local currency against the US dollar Murari ish Mukunda qualm reports that rising prices are adding to the suffering of ordinary Zimbabweans, the government's as Imbaba witnessed owns the tastings agencies that says the country's inflation surged by more than twenty two percent against the figure for the previous month. Based economist. Tony Hawkins says the rate will continue going up with had to fuel price increases since the may figures will calculate it. I mean we had a twenty five percent devaluation in the lost ten days of may. And if you got into supermarket you'll see how much presses are going up. The latest inflation figure is the highest since the hyper inflationary days of the two thousand when inflation heater staggering seventy nine point six billion percent in November two thousand eight for NPR news. I'm each Mundi core Inara. Wall Street, stocks posted gains in trading Tuesday, the Dow rose three hundred fifty three points. This is NPR.

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NPR News: 04-16-2020 6PM ET

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04:39 min | 4 months ago

NPR News: 04-16-2020 6PM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Louise Schiavone Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard. Burr made a massive series of stock sales worth up to one point seven million dollars before the corona virus market crash new analysis from researchers at Dartmouth University shows. Just how unusual burs trades were and is. Npr's Tim Mack. Reports that irregular trading activity is likely to be of interest to federal investigators now probing the senators stock transactions North Carolina. Republican has historically been a poor stock picker. Most of the stocks purchased have done poorly and he typically sold stock at low volumes on average three point four times per quarter but on one day February thirteenth. This year Senator. Bob Broke this pattern and made thirty. Transactions representing a significant portion of his net worth the stocks sold went on to do very poorly underperforming similar stocks by eight percent that cluster of sales before the market crash due to corona virus concerns was one of the lawmakers only market beating trades since recordkeeping began eight years ago to Mac. Npr News Washington as the effects of the coronavirus pandemic continued to decimate the US economy. The number of people filing initial claims for unemployment benefits continues to rise the Labor Department announces. Another five point. Two million people joined the jobless world's last week meaning that in just the past month upwards of twenty two million people have filed unemployment claims the worst stretch of US job losses on record. It means roughly one in seven. Us workers have lost their jobs. As companies continue to close down due to the effects of the virus outbreak. Facebook is cancelling big events through June of next year because of the pandemic NPR Shannon bond reports. The tech giant is taking a slow approach to letting employees return to the office on facebook. Ceo Mark Zuckerberg says. Most employs must stay home until at least the end of. May and they can choose to keep working from home through. At least the summer Zuckerberg says when people do return to the Office. It will be in staggered waves to keep everyone safe and reduce the chance of further outbreaks. He says the small share of employees. Who can't do their jobs from home? Like those who review posts about terrorism suicide and other sensitive issues may be able to return to the office sooner than others. Tech companies were among the first big employers to cancel events and move to remote work Shannon Bond. Npr News San Francisco officials. Say almost before it got started at three hundred forty. Nine billion dollar government lending program for small businesses affected by the corona virus is being put on hold that's because the small business administration which is administering the program announced today that it has reached its lending limit after proving nearly one point seven million loans. Wall Street. The DOW WAS UP THIRTY. Three this is NPR actor. Brian Dennehy has died. He was known for his film roles in cocoon and Rambo and onstage as Willy. Loman in death of a salesman then he was eighty one years old. Npr's Andrew Limbaugh reports. He died yesterday of cardiac arrest that was not covert related in first blood. Brian Dennehy played a small town. Sheriff keeping an overzealous. I on John. Rambo is a quiet little vacuum. I'd say it's boring. But that's the way we like it he told. Whyy's fresh air that he was inspired to go into acting after watching Marlon Brando in on the waterfront for the first time. When I saw that picture I realized that there were people in the business who looked like me and who sounded like me came places like I came from Brian. Dennehy was born in Nineteen thirty eight in Bridgeport Connecticut. He started in films and TV but even growing up he had a particular fondness for theater. Then he won two Tony Awards one for his role in death of a salesman and one for long days journey into night. Angela Mbanga. Npr News an airline industry group that works with the travel. Industry is providing some insight into just how devastating the corona virus pandemic has been in terms of Bookings Airlines Reporting Corp which handles data with accredited agencies says. Those organizations have seen an eighty six percent decrease in sales last month compared to one year ago. The total value of tickets sold by those agencies plunged by eight billion dollars. Compared to March of last year domestic and international trips are both down by sixty percent or more. I'm Louise Schiavone. Npr News Washington.

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BOX203: A Severe Underpants Related Injury

The Box Of Oddities

43:53 min | 6 months ago

BOX203: A Severe Underpants Related Injury

"I would like to support the box of oddities we would be eternally. Grateful become a premium subscriber though to the box of oddities dot com and get signed up. You will get ed free episodes. You'll get them a day early. You'll get a bonus episode every month and you'll get access to the box abided. He's back channel direct contact to us and we appreciate it so much. What follows may not be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised Stories Stories of mysteries of curiosities Jew in an giang through Gilligan Tov for the strange the boozers the unexpected as the lid and cautiously pure inside the box oddities. So today was a busy day. We were interviewed by the wild business growth. Podcast and we discussed a lot of topics ranging from branding and marketing strategy to how cats things that the from I dream of Jeannie. When she passes traffic why do we always have to point out the things that I dare than weird well? I'm certainly willing to listen to weird things that I do go ahead. I don't need to because I love you quiz that it or is it that you don't know of anything weird that I do. Oh is that the case. Is it give it to me? Lay It on me. Okay Yeah sometimes you come out of the bedroom. And you're just wearing a tee shirt and I mean just and then you slide the edge hem of your t-shirt over the top part of your Wean and then you shake your Weiner around like it's dancing penis puppetry routine that I developed and I'm going to go on the road soon. It'll be a short show anyway. Hello freaks hello and good day are you. We're so glad you joined us for this. I guess we're fighting our way through winter here in Maine as you know. We're getting set to head down to the Sub Tropics of Bridgeport Connecticut. This coming weekend Saturday's the show and it's the last show on our books for a while. We're taking a short break. We'll be back out on the road before you know and we'll let you know when the dates are going to be but we would love to you Saturday night at the historic Bijou theatre in Bridgeport Connecticut. It's absolutely gorgeous and So outside of the range of what we're used to you know we've done comedy clubs but we've never done anything like this. It's it's beautiful. It feels like a step up although we've had the good fortune of playing some really great clubs like Zanies of course that's allegedly. It's just different. It's just a different type of venue also. Did you know that James Henry? O rourke is from Bridgeport Connecticut. Who's James Henry will will rourke James Henry Overwork? He's a baseball player. That hit like the first hit the National League history or something like that anyway. His House that he had when he was a little time. Baby Person The city decided that it was so important to the city that they saved it. Even though like every single house in that area had been raised because of you know industrial growth and whatever so it was just like this big open empty field and then this singular house in the middle of it anyway. That seems to work. Well I did not know that he already. We're we're less than three minutes into the show and I'm learning things I'd love it. God Bless Ya. Anyway tickets available on our website. The the box of thirties dot com. It's GonNa be a fun show. And we're in the process of working out details of videotaping videotaping. I guess it's not tape anymore. Is it video recording? Although taping a generic turn you e term. You give me crap for your. We taped the show but they still say that at the network level the network level. Yeah well we're taping an episode of Blah Blah Blah for. You know they still say taping. It's not just some guy that probably old guys sure sure anyway will let know about that. We may have a video of this show available at some point. We're working on it anyway. It's my turn to Gopher yes please. Jennifer Groesbeck lost control of her car around ten thirty. Pm on Friday March. Sixth of twenty nine team at the Spanish Fork River which about one hundred about fifty miles south of Salt Lake City. Utah Okay in the car with her. Unfortunately was her eighteen month. Old Baby Lily. She was driving to her house in Springville. After visiting her parents who lived in nearby Salem Utah when the vehicle she lost control of it plunged off a bridge in into the river and in the process turned upside down okay terrifying terrifying ten thirty at night on Friday. The next day of fishermen discovered the upturn vehicle which was a Red Dodge sedan. It was up sought. It was up sought. Yes was he called emergency services to the scene Saturday afternoon because no one knew it was there until the fishermen wandered by later the next day so they were not hopeful that there were any survivors. Fourteen hours underwater or at least upside down in the river when rescue personnel arrive. They could not believe what they heard. They heard a woman screaming from inside the car and it again crashed off. This bridge had been upside down in the river for fourteen hours. I'm getting this information from well. There was a number of different sources. But I'm quoting an interview From the Mirror. One of the rescue workers said quote. We could see a person in the front seat and then we heard a voicing helped me. We're here we're in here. Oh my goodness that's according to officer Tyler. Beddoes of the Spanish fork police department and again. That's an article in the mirror. Beddoes in his colleagues had braved the icy water. It was cold. Water is well and it was difficult for them to stay in there just long enough to turn the car over so imagine what. It must have been like fourteen hours right in this car. They pulled the baby out first because she had been strapped in suspended above the torrents of water. Which is what saved her life. The baby seat the way it was position held her face. Just above the water law quote. We could see her eyes fluttering so there was some life but as far as movements our consciousness there was nothing that we could see according to beddoes once again. Four officers in three firefighters formed an assembly line and transported the child back to the shore. The first responders started performing. Cpr and lily later regained consciousness. Wow that's incredible and she's fine. The mother however died in the crash and had been dead for at least twelve hours so who was it that was calling for help from inside the upturn vehicle again. According to this article quote for two nights I've laid awake trying to figure out exactly what that could have been. All I know is that it was there. We all herded. We all heard it at a officer. Beddoes it was extra motivation to haul ass the hall assing in get them out of the river. They all heard this woman saying help us were in inside. Were here. We're all in here and it wasn't like one person thought maybe they heard. It was clear as day. They heard it several times several witnesses and when they pull the mother out of the car she had been dead for twelve hours easily. Well is it possible that Lily's first words were help wherein here? Maybe I thought of that. I'm trying to think of anything that makes sense. But in the article it says that it was the voice of a an adult woman. So you don't know this is going to run through a few stories here about how sometimes ghosts can be nice. This was a nice ghost. The ghost of the mother probably saving the child. I mean that's that's of course what I want to believe and I don't see any other possibilities. I'm certainly open to you know. Was it like mass hallucination or something I mean. These things are possible. We'll maybe there was a house nearby and kids were playing and you know. One of them was in a cupboard or and was leading the other kidnap help. We're in here. You know something like that. Maybe that wasn't actually coming from the car. I'm just saying A. Maybe that's a possibility that someone else happened to be saying those things. It's possible I guess but from what I understand. This was in a a somewhat rural area. You just shoot it down. You don't even know. The Daily Mail ran this story on Christmas Eve. Twenty sixteen this is in the UK. Jane Reynolds Sense that something was wrong in her home but she just kind of wrote it off and it's been a long day. It was Christmas Eve something wrong. Yeah on Christmas Day at four in the morning. She claims that she was lying in bed. And some for some unknown forced force ripped her bed clothing off ripped off of her bed and began shaking her bed before she could process this. She was still waking up. She heard banging and screaming from somewhere in the house now. She was afraid that her two sons might endanger. She had two little boy so she didn't really have time to process. What the shaking and pulling of bed clothing off was all about so. She ran to check on the boys. They were in their room. She saw one child Ethan. He was sleeping silently her other child. Eighteen month old George was quietly choking. She quickly turned him over and patted him on the back clear his airway and later she realized that something or someone must have warned her. This is again her feeling since Ethan was sleeping sleeping and George Airway was blocked. Who Did she hear screaming let alone who pulled the covers off the bed right so she did a little research on the house and Fifty Years Prior Family? That lived there very shortly. Their baby had perished Reynolds. Found out that the baby who passed away had choked to death. Yeah Weird that is weird. What a coincidence and weird series of events that are explained totally explained. Here's another story. I found this one in the L. A. Times on June tenth of this past year. Two Thousand Nineteen a Sacramento Resident Deborah. Hoyt woke up from a sound sleep. She and her husband had a journey to make the head to To take a road trip and she woke up early with this feeling that they needed to leave urgent urgently. I'm sorry you know that I was raised by like a hippie. Duda when you say they had journey to take him like oh you mean go onto the other side lake or masculine playing around with opiates. How Cou cou the little smoke from Carlos Cost Outta Anne way they. She woke up and she. She felt this urge. We need to leave now. Okay and she didn't know why but it was it was you know you get those feelings. Sometimes like you know. And so she woke her husband up and they left and they were traveling along highway fifty in the Sacramento area and they saw a woman lying on the side of the road obviously in distress so the couple immediately phoned the police who then investigated the area but but found nothing. The woman wasn't there interesting. They didn't like hang out near the woman had gone by and either call when they came back she was gone and then the police couldn't find any evidence of there ever being anybody there. And so that was you know Baffling Eldorado County? Deputy Rich Strasser then was going through a missing persons report. Any found one four a Christine. Scooby end her three-year-old son Nick. They'd been missing since June sixth which was four or five days prior to win that initial call came in about the lady lying on the side of the road so he decided just on a whim to return to the site where the hoyts had claimed that they saw this woman lying on the side of the road in examining the area more closely he discovered a shoe belonging to a child lying in the bushes along the side of the road that led him to discover scuba. Shes car forty feet. Down in embankment Krisztina apparently died on impact though though exposed to the elements and on the verge of starvation. They rescued nick. Papa they managed to save him he lived the tragedy. He was out there in this wrecked car with his dead mother for five days skirmishes family. Of course they believe it was Christine herself. Who was trying to get attention to save her son from beyond the veil. That's interesting explainable. I mean that could have just been some Rando hanging out on the road side. You know who knows could have been somebody that maybe had one too many fell down and then got up and walked away before they came back but he happened to just or she happened to just pass out near this car wreck that could could be strange woman lion in Medians. It's not just everyday people that have these types of experiences celebrities also according to radar online. I think you'll find that. Celebrities are just like us. None of them have to wait at airports though. Well neither do we now that we have. Tsa preach never mind. I'm not going to tell you about that because I don't want you to take advantage of it right because we want to get on the plane. I anyway so celebrities according to radar online and in according to a story that she told on the David Letterman show. Dolly Parton believes that she has guardians from another dimension interest. She claims that she's received help from both of her grandmothers long. After they died on one occasion she was about to board a plane headed to Salt Lake City and as pardon recalled quote suddenly. I saw my grandma's go standing in the corner and she she kept saying don't catch the plane. Don't catch the plane so she decided to take that advice and she switched flights the flight that she was supposed to be on crashed leaving. No survivors really. Yeah later her Other granny warned her about a potentially costly deal. Pardon declined to sign the contract. And if she had she would have lost millions of dollars. All right well I believe Dolly Parton who doesn't believe Dolly. Yeah now if there's one thing that people will tell you about Katrina walls it's that she believes Dolly Parton. This came from an article in Psychology. Today on September Twentieth Nineteen eighty-eight famed author one of my favorite authors Dean Koontz. I love Dinkins. He had an experience that he didn't tell anyone about for nearly a decade but then he included it in an essay for the book beautiful death which is like kind of like a picture book of graveyards and Cemeteries and the author or the photographer asked him to write the forward so we wrote this little essay about this event that happened to him. He was at work one day in his office and his phone rang. And this was back in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight so it had a cord. It had a cord in and it was an unlisted number which was far more common phrase back in those days so he picked up the phone and he heard female voice that sounded very very far away and she spoke to him with a real sense of urgency. She said please be careful in. It startled him and he said who is this and there was no response but she just repeated the warning. Free more time she said. Please be careful. Inner voice became more distant and then the line fell silent and we sat there listening for a while. It didn't really quite know what to make of it. The voice sounded eerily like his mother who had been dead for over twenty years. He said quote a voice is much harder to remember than a face so he thought he was being melodramatic of course and again. It's number was unlisted so it wasn't a prank call aimed at him. It could have been a missile number. He mentioned it to his wife and then he just forgot about it. It was a strange call. He said according to this article quote. I don't claim that it was a ghost. I don't know what to believe. It certainly was odd. People report these kind of events all the time minutes always struck me as interesting that everyone seems to have an experience or two of the UNCANNY. Sometimes I believe that call was from my mother and sometimes and sometimes that it was very strange. Serendipitous wrong number. I think you always have to keep some skepticism about things like this. But it's comforting to think that maybe there's a realm where the personality survives and they're kind of looking out for us so two days after this call Dean was and I call him Dean because we're pals sure he. His father was still alive. His father was kind of a Dick. He was a heavy drinker. He was abusive. He at one point in his in his life early on had gotten into a fight dean and his father. Ray had gotten into a fight. His father pulled a knife on. Wow but regardless. Dean was still taking care of his elderly father at a nursing facility. He got a call from the staff. They said that they were dealing with Some of Ray's behavioral problems. Apparently he had punched another resident in the face. It was a man and a Walker and he just punched the guy in the face. The nurses were obviously concerned. So Dean goes over and he wasn't. He was unaware that his father ray had used some of his. He'd saved up some of his small pocket allowance and he. He bought a yellow handled fishing knife and he had honed the blade down to razor sharpness and then oil the hinge so it would flip open like a switchblade so deem shows up to see what's going on with his dad and when he came into the room. His Dad moved quickly grabbed the knife from a drawer and lunged at Dean tried to try to stab him slash him and dean had to wrestle it away from this guy. He just managed to avoid being being cut witnesses and one of them call the Police Daily. Dean finally got the knife out of his his dad's hand it was no incident. We carried it out into the hallway just as the police arrived. So they see this guy coming out of the hallway with a knife in his hand and they drew their guns and they ordered him to drop the knife and he was. You know startled. He said it's not me you want. It's him in there and he pointed to his father's room and they repeated drop the knife and they started training their weapons on him. He said all the sudden realized that they were gonNA shoot me. If I didn't drop this knife well. Why wouldn't you drop the knife? Just drop it. Well it was a confusing day. He realized in that moment that they thought he was the perpetrator so we drop the knife and obeyed them and that he looks at as one of the stupidest things he ever did that almost got him killed was the continued hold onto that night but his dad almost stabbed him and then he almost got shot by the by the police and this came two days after that weird telephone warning. Eventually the police realized that Ray was the dangerous party. They took him to a psychiatric ward and they kept him under observation and then Dean of course thought about that mysterious call. It made him more vigilant and as a result had possibly saved his life he never again received another call like this. Although I imagine every time the phone rings he he wonders is mom. Mom Now I you know like you said it. That could have been a lot of things. Maybe a weird wrong number or whatever Still we are that you wouldn't identify yourself but anyway But at the same time if I was going to believe that anyone would make phone calls beyond the grave. It would be a mom. My mom loves to talk on the phone and she will talk on the phone to anyone for any reason for any length of time. I've told the story about my mom the day she died down and I won't go into. Moms love calling people dead. Moms call people all the time no question about it. I won't go into that story again. Maybe send us a message and I'll tell you if you missed it or if not go back and re listen to the catalog. I mentioned it a couple of times anyway. It also reminded me of an old twilight zone episode where a guy kept getting this mysterious call from a dead loved one and it kept going on and on and he didn't understand it and then one day he was at the cemetery and the wind had blown the telephone line down and it was like lying across the top of the gravestone of beloved one. I love the twilight zone and a good one anyway. That's what I have lovely. Sometimes ghosts are nice that thing in the middle. Today's thing in the middle once again from the freaks a box of auditees group on facebook Question from Shannon Russell out of curiosity. What is the dumbest way you've ever injured yourself? This is such a great question number five rewrites punch myself in the face putting on my bra when my hand slips from the strap is. I'm pulling my dangerous. Bana Lady Is Number Four. Jana rights being old. I decided I could still do a back bend. Ll Drunk of course off Gina. I'm with you number. Three Mark Rights. Taking these off flick up to catch in one movement dislocated knee and restore ligament explain that to the AFC nurses a nasty underwear related injury number two. J David Van. Dyke rights fell into a dumpster. Okay awesome I had a friend. They worked with one time and I came out and I could hear him somewhere in the parking lot and then I realized he was inside the dumpster and I said Mitch. What are you doing in there and he goes? You wouldn't believe all the cool stuff you can find a number one. Genie Hall writes. Worked at a florist went to smell a flower and ended up scratching my corny on the price. Tag Card sticking McKay headway in the Er for hours while the specialist was called in Genie. I did that with a pair of sunglasses. I didn't scratch the corner to the point where you know. I had to go to the doctor but I stuck the tag on the edge of the glasses right in my eye as we say in Maine woke me right the hell up if you are not yet a part of the freaks group on facebook. 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Yeah it really is. It really is so much for sharing that it's well. I mean not to be excessive or anything. But that's fucking rough. Go Get him dragon. Anyway I'm going to shift gears here and say Oh what you got for me only gone wrong. It's June twenty ten and Christine and Michael Barnett adopted a little girl from the Ukraine. They had experience as foster parents having run a children's Day care from their Westfield Indiana home so in two thousand ten. They agreed to the emergency adoption of eight year old. Natalia grace the girl had come to the United States from the Ukraine two years earlier but didn't have a birth certificate She lived with the family and they had three other boys and three other. Children Boys In Hamilton County Indiana now. Because of the lack of birth certificate the couple had visited several doctors to determine The girls age I mean in addition to making sure that she was healthy and all that business she was originally found to be between eight and ten years old. She was afflicted with a rare bone growth disorder that resulted in dwarfism. The disorder is known for causing skeletal abnormalities and on occasion vision and hearing issues so in September of that year This is according to the Daily Mail. Christine Barnette said. She began to suspect that maybe there had been some misinformation and that their daughter was older than the adoption agency had said she was. Michael Barnett claimed that there were some red flags including a developmental changes She did not have a detectable Ukrainian accent and she didn't recognize Ukrainian words She didn't remember her life in the Ukraine They also noticed that the young girl had certain body features that maybe an eight year old it would be unusual for them to have like pre pugh Besson. Children wouldn't have wouldn't have okay. Okay some girls develop younger than others. I know I was an early developer which made sixth grade very uncomfortable but they also noticed and reported to others that their young daughter had adult teeth. They were told she was eight correct. Okay they also had other red flags not about her development or her body but about her behavior Christine Barnett claimed that Natalia had threatened to stab the family in their sleep they said on multiple occasions. They woke up in the middle of the night with her standing over their bed. With sharp objects is not a very restful evening they also reported that at one point she'd poured pine Sol in Christine's coffee and would make statements about trying to kill the family. She said she wanted to roll them up in a blanket and put them in the backyard according to the Daily Mail. Tv God so the Barnet's came to suspect that she was actually older than they thought and they contact doctors to conduct a bone density test which suggested that Natalia was at least fourteen more older. So by twenty eleven. Natalia was allegedly hearing voices and engaging in very disturbing behavior she at one point jumped out of a moving car Christine Barnette said that she was smearing blood on mirrors. She said that she was doing things that you couldn't imagine a child doing and at one point in two thousand twelve. The girl reportedly pushed her adopted mother against an electric fence. So the parents Placed her in a state. Run Psychiatric Unit. And they're seeing doctors about this behavior. They're getting conflicting information. They're a little confused But at this point. They're like yeah. This isn't a kid. Wow it doesn't make any sense that the adoption was handled the way that it was. There's no birth certificate She came from the Ukraine but doesn't have any Ukrainian accent. There's just didn't make it. Didn't line up. Was the agency LEGIT agency or was she actually masquerading as an agency to get into a family to smear blood on their mirror unclear so in June. Twenty twelve the Barnett's went to the courts and they changed the girls birth record to indicate that she was born in Nineteen eighty-nine instead of the year. Two Thousand and three more God. I didn't even know you could do that. During an interview with Dr Oz. Michael Barnett said that this was done because they believed that the girl was not a child and this was a way for her to get help for her mental illness. He says that she was admitted to an inpatient facility where she was under twenty four hour observation and care and he says that the staff there agreed that this was not a child. One therapist in January of two thousand twelve. The girl confessed to being eighteen and in June of two thousand twelve. The staff at the hospital in Indianapolis said that Natalia had told them how she tried to kill her family members. She said that it was fun. So if if I was a member of the family that adopted this child I would have long ago. Contacted the adoption agency. That would have been like my first call would be like what the hell right they do. That unclear what they did do was moved to Canada. Okay Without Natalia. Oh I see okay. So they rented an apartment in Lafayette end-july. They paid the rent free year and they move to Canada while they also Christine Barnett. reported that she helped. Natalia get a social security number apply for an ID and get food stamps. Okay and she was of legal age legally leave galasie according to paperwork courts and she lived there for two years until she was evicted. In two thousand fourteen. Police did say that neighbors had taken her under their wing But she was living alone in an apartment in Lafayette. Well Yeah and what was she doing while she was living alone in the apartment in Lafayette when she was evicted? They didn't find like bodies in there. Because I thought that's where we were going. No Antoine and Cynthia. Man's petitioned to become Natalia's legal guardians. They believe that she is a child. Oh my goodness in March of two thousand sixteen. They petitioned to become her legal guardians. That would restore Natalia's original birthday to two thousand three. The Barnet's filed an objection to this. They said you cannot do that because this is not a child. She is a scam artist. And she's an adult. She hit her period from us. She has adult parts. She tried to kill us. You cannot but this couple Antoine and Cynthia man say no. She's she's just a kid. What are you talking about well because you cannot abandon your child in an apartment in Lafayette? The Christine and Michael Barnett were charged with neglect. But according to the courts at the time she was of legal age but because they changed it but doesn't matter it should not matter only well. No it shouldn't but does it does how so. That's not right. Michael Barnett turned himself into authorities. The next day Christine Barnett turned herself into authorities They were released in September after posting. Bond they have since by the way gotten divorced because apparently going through. This was too much I get that. They posted. Bail the still claim. This woman is a woman and he is a scam artist. However there's no consensus on this situation. It has yet to be sorted out the way it is absolutely the weirdest story that is nuts and you can see videos of this young lady possibly woman child person claiming that she's a child and this family who has reached out and said that they want to adopt her as a child. I really am interested to hear what the original adoption agency has to say for themselves. I'm confused as well. What is that all about? I don't know I don't know but I found Articles in on Fox Phoenix Daily Mail. All IT'S INTERESTING USA. Today well all over the place tons of articles and it's ongoing ongoing no details about that adoption agency. Please be very careful when adopting adult women possibly children. Who KNOWS CLAIRE? That's incredible anyway. I wish that I had some sort of wrap up for you but I don't. It is just a weird ongoing story about a woman that or a child. person Who looks young but this couple claims? She's actually a enter early twenty s masquerading as a murderous child. Holy Crap though we're GONNA have to keep a close eye on this story has developed so you know it. Yeah you know it fascinating. I'd not heard this by the way I tell you about the Amazing Hawk that I saw today. Yeah during the interview. Actually that we were doing with wild. Business Growth podcast. You stood up in shrieked because he saw a giant Hawk Fly by our window. It was the most magical moment bird squirrel again. This last call for tickets for our bridgeport Connecticut. Show not technically last call. You can just go there. Yeah you can go there day off. But this is the last time we're talking about it. You can go to our website. D-box of ITV'S DOT COM. We would really love to see their if you're in the vicinity yes please. It's only gotten like what sixty miles from New York City? It's close to Boston. Providence Rhode Island New Haven Hartford. It's it's close to a lot of things we would love to see you there so we'll see you there. Yes long pause staring at you. 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BOX160: Skeletor Was Misunderstood

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That's pretty cool and and so it all worked out and we will be in Bridgeport Connecticut which is from what I understand about sixty miles outside of New York City and that will be the on February twenty-ninth this coming year and we'll have tickets on sale before you know it in the Washington. DC Show we'll get those up on the website very quickly. We very much look forward to not at all living up to the standards that that beautiful theater usually usually holds yeah this could be horribly disappointing for all involved really it is beautiful. It's lovely again. You can keep up to date with all of the live shows the merch only the I'm sorry I mean to interrupt. I'm sorry my bad again. I'm going to keep talking now. The twenty twenty twenty shows are not on sale yet. No they're not but they will be soon and you can just keep checking the box of oddities dot com website we'll be updating it periodically REODICA and of course we'll let you know the minute that they do go on sale. Both on the podcast in the SOC meads all right you go first. Oh okay today. We're going to talk about the radium girls. The radium girls so radium radium in the form of radium chloride was discovered by Marie and Pierre Curie in eighteen ninety eight they extracted the radium compound and published the discovery at the French Academy of Sciences five days later. It was a big deal and radium was formerly used in self luminous paints for watches nuclear panels aircraft switches clocks and lots of instrument dials because of the the the magic magic that is radium. It's it's eliminated. It's glowing glowing flurry C. N. T. so it you know it was neat and of course this is the time where all the things that are new and neat and modern are very highly sought after and things are just being powered through. It's like this is meet. Let's sell it to everyone right. Put it everywhere regardless of the fact that we have not tested this run Brian and even if we did we probably don't have the sensitive equipment and intestacy things that we would need in order to to do it effectively. That's it's right ineffective testy things so during World War One hundreds of young women went to work in clock factories. Now this is according to Buzzfeed so dial painting was one of the elite jobs for poor working girls it paid more than three times the average factory job and and those who are lucky enough to land the position ranked in the top five percent of female workers nationally. What year was this or what time period is it not long? After nineteen nineteen eleven when radium was was first introduced to to us as a thing but during World War One okay so many of the girls were teenagers so they had tiny little hands which were perfect for the artistic work that they were doing and they of course spread the news of this money making opportunity we to their friends and their family and often like whole sets of siblings would work alongside each other in the studio painting was done by women at three different sites in the United States and the I was a radium factory in New Jersey so the dial painters I had a very specific way of doing their job. They were instructed to lick their brushes to give them a fine point. It was called the lip dip tip and paint approach and it kept the fine point of the brush so that they could do that tiny little work on clock faces. What have you right it was called pointing their brushes because if they used rags or a water rinse caused them to waste too much time and too much of the material that was made from powdered radium dumb Arabic and water now since they were told this was harmless and and an okay way to point their brushes they also some would paint their fingernails with it they would pay their face or their teeth with the glowing substance they were referred to as ghost girls because at the end of their shift they would leave it would be dark but they would glow okay now when when they were painting their teeth was at just kind of a practical joke thing no when they went out to clubs after work they would have these glowing smiles else and of course you know it was very interesting to to the boys you know they it? was you know you're going to catch the attention with glowing teeth but in a good way they were making dollars. They knew it was up again. This is from buzzfeed so the first thing that we asked according to make cover Louis was does this stuff hurt you and she recalled later naturally. You don't want to put anything in your mouth. It's going to hurt you so Mr Savoy. Who was the manager for her group said of course it's not dangerous and they needn't be afraid? was he lying or did they really think I bet it was okay okay so obviously that is not true but maybe they didn't know right but curie herself had suffered radiation burns from handling radium while she was in the process of discovering it and so people had died from radium poisoning poisoning before it was you know it was kind of a interesting catch twenty two because they knew that people could die from it. However there was was also this interesting theory this interesting belief that it was also really good for you? People believe that it was beneficial to their health to to drink a little bit in their water to have cosmetics with a little bit of radium in them. buttermilk toothpaste laced with radium was a thing it's interesting that you bring this up because the book that you got me the one about what it was like to be a person person living in Victorian Times it talks a little bit about the process of women would have their faces enamelled and and part of the enamelling involved radium our really and lead yeah yeah not great and it was it was said that if you had a good enamelling job done to make your face look perfect that it would last six months to three years. Here's Oh they would leave it on for that long. Yeah that's not that's not good for you the the theories as to how how it became widespread that a little bit of radium was good for you. It's pretty much the people that were selling radium pretty much where the ones telling you yeah put it in your butter. That's a good it's a great idea really makes your pancakes. Come alive especially if you're eating them in the dark the mom so men at the radium companies wore lead aprons while working in low the little while working in the laboratories aunts dancy handled the radium with ivory tipped tongs but yeah go ahead and lick that paintbrush. It's fine now of course early stages ages of radium poisoning nausea vomiting diarrhea headache fever dizziness disorientation weakness and fatigue hair loss this bloody vomit and stool due to the internal bleeding necrosis of the jaw eventually death. I imagine that after several live those symptoms have presented themselves. You were probably hoping the death would come along pretty quickly for sure so in spite of the knowledge that this is this is starting to happen to these girls people are obviously being affected by this these radium girls and the fact that a number of similar deaths occurred by one thousand nine hundred eighty five including the company's chief chemist Dr Leeman and several of the female workers at at that particular lab the US radium and other watch dial companies rejected the claims that the afflicted workers were suffering from exposure Teredo him for some time doctors dentists and researchers complied with their requests not to release the data that was showing these connections at the urging of the company's workers deaths were largely attributed had to syphilis so not just no this is not what's making these girls sick. Don't trust these girls because they've got syphilis. They have loose morals right. I mean it was clever for sure and also fucking evil really is so the woman had to prove prove that it was in fact this that was making them sick and since they were fighting not just against this company the US radium they were also also fighting against that widespread belief that radium was safe and it was only when the first male employees of the radium firm died the experts finally took charge. That's I'd like to say that shocking. It's not but it's not we've heard it over and over again. God it's only when do dis that. Something's taken seriously in one thousand nine hundred five a doctor named Harrison Marland devised the tests that proved once and for all that radium had poisoned the women now much of this is coming from wikipedia from as I mentioned before buzzfeed lead and CNN they really interesting article about him so Martin discovered that when radio was used internally even in very small amounts the the damage was like a thousand times greater than if most other chemicals had been ingested because what it did was the radium would settle into your body and kind of honeycomb out and spread and would get into your bones. It was literally literally boring holes inside of these girls Holy Shit while they were alive which was what caused the internal bleeding so on May eighteen eighteen nineteen twenty seven a lawsuit was filed against the US radium corporation by Raymond Barre and that was on behalf of Grace Fryer along with Edna Hussmann Catherine Shaab and sisters Quinta McDonald and Albion lorries. They joined the case each asking for two hundred fifty thousand thousand dollars in compensation so at their first appearance in court in January of one thousand nine hundred eighty eight two women were bedridden and none of them could raise their arms to take an oath a total of five workers dubbed. The radium girls joined the suit Barry Barry in the five girls agreed on an out of court settlement just days before the case was supposed to go to trial. Each girl received ten thousand dollars as well. There's an additional six hundred dollars per year until death which they knew that it wasn't going to be long before they died anyway yeah. They should've taken it all upfront front. US radium would also pay all medical and legal expenses in addition to future medical expenses. Now Berry was not satisfied with the outcome outcome of this trial and he didn't feel that the victims received the compensation that they deserved it was later discovered that the judge for the trial was a stockholder colder in US radium shot up. I am so sick of the corruption. It's terrible damn it's rough right so so yes there was culpability proven and yes it did get settled in their favor no so it maybe wasn't the compensation that they deserved. However history was made in the field of health physics and lay the labor rights movement movement and so the right of individual workers to sue for damages from corporations due to Labor abuse was established as a result of of this radium girls case well? That's good it is good and it did change the way that individuals could interact with the companies that they worked for them what they could expect as far as safety is concerned. That's a remarkable story. It is and those girls were brave af because there was so so much working against them and they just had to prove that the thing that everyone else thought was safe was actually than thing that was killing them. You mentioned MME Marie Currie yes her glorious nece enter Glorious nece yeah to for sure her diaries and journals that are locked away of course in museums are still to this day radioactive to a point that you cannot pick them up. That is what I've heard also interesting interesting. Marie Curie is the first woman to win a Nobel Prize and she was the first person to win. Two Nobel prizes is is she's the only woman to win in two fields and the only person to win in multiple sciences. She's Rad. She's she's just a beast. I love her when you factor in this was during a time when women were frowned upon if they went to school you know I gotTa school you. I love her golf. Clap for Marie Curie that thing in the middle of the metal people's share their glitches in the Matrix. I love the number five ahead. This crazy vivid dream in seventh grade. I dreamt that there was a white van parked outside my house. A man got out walked to my house broke in went into my brother's room and killed him. I woke up and I freaked out. It was three three in the morning I couldn't sleep so I went into the kitchen and I turned the light on a few seconds later. The headlights on a white cargo van outside flipped on its sped away number four one morning I woke up rolled out of bed brushed my teeth had breakfast as usual and then went about my day off off lounged around the house a bit played mine intendo. Ds and plucked away at my guitar a lazy morning. Suddenly I'm driving my car. A couple towns over on my way to Barnes and noble. I pulled over to collect my thoughts. I remembered waking up getting ready watering the plants cleaning up stuff in the living room and then hopping my car but I remember doing all of this stuff from the other version of that morning so I had to separate days that suddenly merged into one and I kept both memories that what is fascinating number three. I remember the crash. My Dad was t-boned in his Green Nissan. I remember telling the police all about it. At the scene I remember my parents is telling me to tell the doctors that my neck and chest her even though they didn't. I remember having a week off of school. I remember my Dad Berating the insurance company over the phone so a few years ago when my dad bragged about how he had never been an accident I took the smug pleasure of correcting him and reminding everyone about the the accident. Everybody looked at me like I was crazy. According to my family my dad never had a Nissan and he would never drive a green car because he thinks they're unlucky. Walkie and of course there was never an accident. Oh my goodness. I think we all know what happened. There was masters of the Universe University where they came back from meeting. He Man Courtney Cox and they made right. What once went wrong okay? I just WANNA say since you brought it up. Skela tour was really misunderstood. Absolutely he just wanted you to enjoy delicious boys in Berry Frozen Yogurt about two people understand that but it was so worth it can skeletons suggest boys and the what are we three two two number two when I was very young maybe five or six I tried to watch a VHS tape of of a movie. I liked nothing but static. I tried my barney tape static again. I object the tape and called my mom into the room. She inserted the tape impressed play exactly like I had moments before and it worked perfectly fine. She just thought I did it wrong. 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Hey guys I'm a police officer in Calgary. Alberta and vacillating alley is in my patrol area not Oh yes vassilyevna alley is a real thing they're usually small containers neatly stacked on the median and then blown around around by the wind but I think at this point it's just one of those self perpetuating stories where people just want to be a part of the vacillation movement Albery just like you said Okay love your show. Will we love you never endorse yes that just blows my mind. You know when we talk about a story already and then somebody who actually lives in the neighborhood right you know like the guy last time that lives in the neighborhood of what's his is named dill the guy that got arrested for the decades old murder that's right or when we're all like hey we'd love to hear from someone in Brazil and the next next day. It's all like I'm from Brazil and also I'm wearing the same shirt. Is You cut. How is this a thing? Let me adjust my creaky chair. The OH I had a question for you. Go ahead what you got for me well. Here's what I got for you. In the summer of nineteen twelve it was a really really hot summer sweltering and especially in the southern part of the United States particularly Louisiana there of course was no air conditioning in nineteen twelve in very few ways to keep cool so most people what they would do is they would they would stay outdoors. They would sit under almost said Shit under sadie trees shit sit under shady trees Sh- sued under shady trees thanks or they would go to the local swimming hole of course go swimming now. There was a family that lived in Louisiana Louisiana Louisiana. You can say it however you yes. I've always like growing up. It was Louisiana but then you you know people from there. There might say Louisiana something of that nature. I don't know I just want to be respectful. That's all I think that considering the the accent it might be something along the lines of Hannah no Yana sound like the lucky charms Leprechaun with a cold sore any who's UIL it was a family of four that lived there and their name was Dunbar. Oh crap the Dunbar family the damn bars front of Asia Leslie in Percy Dunbar. They had two boys the oils which was Bobby Dunbar. He was born born in one thousand nine hundred eight that little scam by far the word is that they cherished their two boys so this was a loving supportive family. There's a but but we'll kill their babies all men. They killed their babies didn't they did not kill their baby. Okay fine on August twenty third in nineteen twelve. They decided that they were going to take their kids on a camping trip. Okay we'll lake because it was cooler. Oh noted what did they drown them. They know they did not they did nothing wrong. I'm aware of okay so they pack up their camping gear and am I doing too many of these stories recently where I'm like oh no it happened to these babies have okay go ahead packed up the camping gear and they headed north to do the city of opelousas toward what was called Swayze Lake Patrick swayze absolutely sounds lovely doesn't swayze lake not really so much a lake as a alligator infested swamp. Oh no yeah it was crawling with alligators alligators but they were from Louisiana and we're familiar with the surroundings and knew how to be relatively safe safe sure not disturb the allegations mess with the alligators so on that night again August twenty third nineteen twelve. They finished their dinner dinner. They had a nice little campfire. They have tents. They went into their tents and they went to sleep sometime. During the night bobby wandered away for years old hold the next morning the family woke up Bobby's gone only find is his hat next to the lake. ooh That's ominous. Obviously they were horrified. Orafidiya this launched an eight month search for Bobby Dunbar according to history one. Oh One Louisiana newspaper called the Caldwell Watchmen richman wrote in one thousand nine hundred fourteen quote bobby was missed when he was messed a search traced him to the banks of Lake swayze at first it was feared appeared that he had been drowned but the lake failed to give up the body and the little boy's hat was found some distance from the lake day or so later the town was deeply upset about about this because the Dunbar's were a beloved family so the search continues and the Father Percy one thousand dollar reward. Oh Wow which which was a lot of money it's about twenty five grand in today's money and the town pitched in another five thousand so I was about one hundred twenty five thousand dollars dollars in today's money but time on months and months and months went on and the family was getting discouraged. Obviously what what I think I know the story okay. I'm glad then on April thirteenth nineteen thirteen authorities arrested a guy he was a I love of this. He was a traveling tinker. We don't have many of those anymore. Traveling tankers his name was William Cantwell Walters in they arrested did him near Columbia Missouri. He was traveling with a boy that matched Bobby Dunbar's description same age blond hair blue eyes and they they were pretty sure it was bobby so they put him on a train to Opelousas so the boy shows up and the authorities take the boy to the House and the parents you would think would be overjoyed. Hey their sons coming back well. The the issue at first was that the Dunbar's ars didn't recognize yeah the little boy their so called son Bobby in this begins the curious case in the disappearance of Bobby Dunbar now after a little while the Dunbar's were able to positively identify the child they I guess we're able to identify marks parks and so they determined that it was there little boy news spread about town that bobby was home. Everybody was overjoyed but also the the news spread that they weren't really sure if it was bobby at first but then all of a sudden like yeah no that's him Jerry yes bobby does an alligator disguises bobby that would be a shocking reveal. He unzips his bobby suit and it's an alligator so the guy who was arrested for kidnapping kidnapping. His name was Walter. William Walters is a capital offense now he was arrested and he claimed that the kid was the child of his brother servants illegitimate son. The mother of the boy according to him was a woman named Julia Anderson and she had given Walter's permission to take the boy with him on his travels. The Los Angeles Times noted that Walters tried to clear his name saying quote. I I know by now. You have decided you're wrong. It is very likely I will lose my life on account of that and if I do the Great God will hold hold you accountable so much as weird about that I mean it's not like bobby was missing for that long and you should be able to positively identify him also just leading some random might take your kid on a cross country toodle yeah well. It didn't matter what what Walter said. The jury didn't buy it. He was convicted of kidnapping and then Julia Anderson shows up unexpected and pretty much verifies and substantiates walters story this. This was my alligator no it's it's not an alligator. It was her son. She said whose name was bruce but when they asked her to identify the boy she too was uncertain. She looked at him and went I'm not I'm not really sure but I think yeah. I think that's Bruce so you've got to mothers. They both are are pretty sure that it's their son but neither one of them are one hundred percent sure so the lesson learned here is that in Nineteen in twelve not a lot of parents really looked at their kids much so pretty much the same thing that happened with the Dunbar's happened with with Anderson she had. I said she could not identify the boy she was uncertain that the boy was hers but upon closer inspection she said with confidence that the boy was hers hers. Both mothers weren't really sure what the hell was going on seems right so now it's got awfully sharp teeth that was weird in his skin. It's so rough well the press got in on it and they the local press I think we're rooting for the done bars and so they started talking about about Anderson as being a woman of loose morals and discredited her claims at Steph less so she was tried in a court of public opinion and when that that happens she just left and went back to Mississippi and she left the boy to the DUNBAR's. LET'S FLASH FORWARD ABOUT ONE HUNDRED YEARS. Okay Margaret Dunbar embar cut right grew up hearing this story about her grandfather Bobby Dunbar in the way of course the family told it was that the boy Margaret's grandfather father was indeed Bobby Dunbar one day in the late nineties. I actually I think one thousand nine hundred nine Margaret Dunbar's father Bob Dunbar junior Dr gave her a photo album and in it were a bunch of clippings of newspaper articles from the day about her grandfather's disappearance that is such a neat thing to have no so she began pouring through these clippings in it really just ignited an interest in finding out everything she could about about her family history and she began to question the narrative that had been handed down through generations so she became obsessive. Excessive she went all over the place to court houses and small town libraries and found everything that she could find now on the other side of the story Linda traver laver. She's the granddaughter of Julia Anderson in all her life she'd been told that her uncle had been kidnapped by the Dunbar family family and had been raised as Dunbar but he was really Bruce Anderson and she had heard the story about the Dunbar's child going missing on a camping trip and that that was what most people had accepted as true but she had lingering doubts as well Sharon again. We're talking almost one hundred years later so they decided did these two women Linda Trevor and Margaret Dunbar cut right form that alliance yes that has bitches working together. Their goal was was to figure out what really happened in nineteen thirteen. The reality was that Margaret wanted to prove her family story. Linda wanted to prove her family story to be real as the investigation between the two progress tensions began to rise between these two women in eventually erupted into a full on feud between the family sure families are right at it all the time. They've got a lot invested in it. It's their families Henry Battery. Yes yeah but they still soldiered on working together. The uncovered an anonymous letter sent to the courthouse in the defense of William Walters and it it was just simply signed the Christian woman it said Dear Sir in view of human justice to Julia Anderson and mothers. I am prompted to write to a U I sincerely believed the Dunbar's have Bruce Anderson and not their boy. If this is their child. Why are they afraid of anyone to see or interview you him privately? So at this point Margaret said quote it just simply Donde me. Oh my God she could be right what a farce what a farce this is it was time to settle the mystery once and for all so she goes to her dad Bob Dunbar junior whose father of course was bobby Dunbar right and asked him for DNA sample this was two thousand and three now she had asked her dad for a DNA test many times over a period of a couple of few years in every time he said no no way no. There's no need to do so I'm not doing it but after four years of digging and sharing what she has found with with Bob Junior this time he said yes so in two thousand three she sent a sample of her dad's. DNA to a laboratory a month went by can you imagine waiting a mess and then finally they got the results back now they had done. DNA samples of Bobby's younger brother Alonzo uh-huh to compare it to as well as somebody from the Anderson family the DNA samples did not match his brother. Her grandfather father was not the same Bobby Dunbar who had gone missing in the swamp. He was in fact Julia Anderson's missing on Bruce Anderson now the the Dunbar family not only only were they shocked by this but they were pissed off at her for for doing a lot of them didn't want her to do the DNA testing. They didn't want her to investigate. They didn't even know we. We need the truth yeah well. She said she was going to do this and they all said don't do it and but she quietly went and did it anyway and so they were pissed hissed because it's like behind their back well and now everything it's it's reality get over it everything that they believed to be true was now being questioned agent it was a shock to the family this and there was a what would you do a couple of weeks ago involving a girl who did a DNA test and she found out that her dad was not her biological indepth and her biological dad was a sperm donor so you know it's not like there's another dude picture. It's just you know data mom had a little bit of a thing and they weren't sure how to teller Heller and raw but he'd been there all along and the sweep people in this diner that we're overhearing and sticking their noses in their business where like it doesn't matter he was there for you. He was apparent hue and then there was hugging and there were tears and it was really nice what I'm saying is that families not about your DNA families about being there for each other and supporting each other and not being alligators so when the son of Bobby Dunbar got the news that his father was not a Dunbar he said quoted took my breath away you you know I hadn't considered that I imagine he probably did my thought was to prove the daddy was bobby. Dunbar Margaret said if my past is wrong long Bobby Dunbar all the legends all the stories and then all the sudden you find out well. That's not who your blood says you are. Where does that leave me? If my GRANDPA isn't my grandpa who am I so a lot of the Dunbar family really upset by this and from what I understand according to this Article History WanNa won the feud amongst the Dunbar's is still happening today. A lot of her family hasn't forgiven her well. That's insane because she I was just looking for the truth and I'm sorry if the truth is that upsetting to you then maybe you need to deal with the reality of the situation and not the person who discovered the reality reality. That's just that's childish is what it is. You know what that's some cold blooded shit alligator. I get it so Margaret it and her father bless their hearts delivered the news to Linda Travers and her family themselves quote. I got up from where we were sitting on the couch. I win around and I think I just hugged his neck. Just knowing that man we're family. We're family that of course Linda to this day descendants of Julia a Anderson they look at the Dunbar's as friends and expect nothing more or less and while the identity of the boy who had been traveling in with Walters has been officially confirmed there is still tons of other questions out there. What happened to the real bobby Dunbar was eaten by an alligator? There was a a article that was written years after the incident where it was right about the time the Lindbergh baby was kidnapped where some reporters went and found sound bobby and asked him he was like eighteen at the time or you know who they thought was bobby. Tell us about your experience and there were a few things that were interesting. One was that he was traveling. He remembers traveling with this man but this man had another boy with him the same age shoe and that that boy died in the old man got rid of him somehow while they were travelling on with this travelling tinker anchor so there is a theory out there that this guy maybe even though he was ultimately he was acquitted kidnapped. Both of these boys and Bobby Bobby Dunbar had died and then this boy was mistaken for Bobby Dunbar right anyway. That's the story of Bobby Dunbar whow I have heard that story I didn't I was not aware of the update where it was discovered that you know he really wasn't the Bobby Dunbar so that is that is fascinating. That's a really fun story to sink your teeth into is amazing that just kind of languished wished out there for nearly a hundred years you know people just kind of told their own version of it and but it was obviously something that was an important part of both families Elise history and Lore and finally they get some answers yeah. It's quite a tale again. We're looking forward to any of you who can make some of our live shows is let me run them down quickly for you. 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Nov 20, 2019

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Nov 20, 2019

"Hello and welcome to sort and scale daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Wednesday November twentieth. And this this is your daily true crime report coming up on sort and scale daily. A revere Massachusetts man was found guilty of the brutal murder of his wife. Life a dedicated elementary schoolteacher. A third New York City taxi driver is sentenced in a kidnapping and extortion plot. That preyed on new arrivals at New York. The city's Port Authority bus terminal finally a West Virginia. Man Who is in an incestuous relationship with his daughter was charged with first degree murder of his his daughter's boyfriend all this more coming up on sword and scaled day. Lean it on Monday. November eighteenth a Massachusetts jury found Andrew McCormack guilty of of the murder of his wife. Vanessa who was discovered dead in the bedroom of their revere home on September. Twenty third. Two Thousand Seventeen Vanessa and Andrew married in two thousand doesn't fifteen and had a daughter in two thousand sixteen. Vanessa was a second grade teacher at connery elementary school in the city of Len. She was extremely popular. Her neighbors and friends alike believed. The couple was happy on the afternoon of September. Twenty Third Andrew McCormack call nine one one to report the discovered. His wife wife dead. Vanessa was found in the bedroom lying face down with massive trauma to her head and a white plastic bag wrapped around her head. She was lying in a large pool of blood but other than that. The House was clean and the room smelled strongly of bleach. Vanessa's nose had been broken and several of her teeth were missing. She'd been stabbed five times in the back and neck and the front of her neck was slashed. She was strangled so forcefully that the cartilage at the top of her trachea was broken. There were no signs of forced entry and a knife was missing from a block in the kitchen per. NBC News. Ten Boston Police Suspicion Shing quickly turned Andrew. Initially this was because of inconsistencies in his story for example he told investigators that he took the bag off his wife's head to check if she was breathing however when first responders arrived they found the bags still over Vanessa's head and a firefighter. had been the one to remove it. Andrew Andrew Story about that particular morning was that he left the house early with their daughter and took her for a walk on the beach. So that Vanessa had time to go work out again. He was caught telling two stories. He told police that when he left. Vanessa was in the kitchen in her workout clothes drinking coffee earlier that day when he spoke with his mother-in-law Karen Suji he said Vanessa left the house before he did either way. She never arrived at the gym. The couple's phone records supported initial suspicions. And although the couple may have appeared harmonious their relationship was in fact very strained. The reason for the tension was Andrew's addiction to cocaine. A dealer told police Andrew spending between four hundred and five hundred dollars a month on cocaine in two thousand seventeen. Andrew Stole six thousand dollars. I from one of Vanessa's bank accounts and blamed the missing money on hackers. The same year. Her engagement and wedding rings went missing. Vanessa knew about Andrew's this drug habit and told him he needed to quote shape up in August. Two thousand seventeen. She sent Andrew the following message. I hate you so much. You've ruined our daughter's life because she won't have her parents together. I'll talk to an age tomorrow. About listing the house and look into a divorce lawyer Andrew replied. Ah You're crazy I'm not signing anything to sell the house or get divorced. In September. Two Thousand Eighteen Andrew was arrested and charged with the murder. He pled not guilty and has continued to maintain his innocence. His trial began on October. Twenty second of two thousand nineteen the prosecution alleged. The Andrew whom cellphone records place at a parking lot of a liquor store at eight thirty on the morning of the murderer returned home in a fight between him and his wife ensued. He brutally murdered Vanessa beating her stabbing her and strangling her. They believe some of the stab wounds may have been inflicted post mortem revealing a type of white hot rage. They allege Andrew proceeded to clean the crime scene with bleach and poured bleach on Vanessa's body evident by chemical burns. Left behind. Then he took his daughter out took money out of an ATM to create an Alibi. Use the money to buy cocaine and drove to a friend's house while he he was at his friend's house. He spoke with mother-in-law twice and pretended to share in her concerned. They could not get in touch with Vanessa. Cellphone records show that Vanessa's phone was an Andrew's possession. During the hours others as well as Andrew himself tried to reach her in vain at three thirty P M per the Prosecution Andrew drove back back home to quote discover the body. The defense maintained that while Andrew does have a drug problem and was not a good husband. He did not kill Vanessa they. They pointed to the lack of physical evidence tying Andrew to the crime and the fact that Andrew did not have any scratches or injuries to his body as one would sustain in a struggle the the attorney also stated that the efforts to clean the crime scene proved the culprit must have been a stranger since Andrew could have explained away any DNA in the house because he lived there. The jury began deliberations on November six. And last week told the judge they were deadlocked before going back to deliberate for five more days. They finally found Andrew McCormick guilty on first degree murder this Monday. The sentencing is scheduled for December second where he faces an automatic life sentence without parole. Our next story brings us to Connecticut. NBC New York reports that on Monday a bridgeport Connecticut federal jury sentenced fifty six year old Carlos Hernandez and as to eight years in prison for his part in a kidnapping and extortion plot targeting newly arrived asylum seekers Hernandez is the third man to be sentenced for his role in the plot Hernandez and his accomplices. Who are all taxi? Drivers were convicted last year. They're criminal enterprise was cruel but not very sophisticated they targeted New York City's main bus terminal grand central station. There they would wait for passengers disembarking from buses coming from the US Mexico border asylum seekers who had just arrived in. The states are frequently put on buses. So they can join family members already in the United States. They are often than very noticeable since they wear electronic ankle bracelets and carry bright yellow envelopes. Reading I do not speak English. Please help me find my bus. The convicted conspirators Weirdo. Who speak Spanish would tell asylum-seekers their next bus had been cancelled and the drivers were the only option for alternative transportation on occasion? One one of the men involved would pretend to be with immigration and order them into vehicles they would also ask the victims to give them the phone number for a relative in the United States. They would then tell the victims. The price for the trip was two thousand dollars and would drive them around for hours negotiating a ransom with their family members before letting them go free. The most ransoms paid were around one thousand dollars. The victims were of all sexes and ages including Children Hernandez was facing up to life in prison. After the break a West Virginia father and his daughter married three weeks after allegedly murdering her boyfriend Nick now for our final story. The Blue Bell Daily Telegraph reported new developments in the murder. Investigation of thirty one year old. John Thomas McGuire McGuire a father of six from autonomy. Minnesota was last heard from on Valentine's Day this year when he was on his way to visit his mother. In Alabama he was reported missing in June in September. Police arrested fifty five year old. Larry McClure of Sky Gusty West Virginia for for failing to register as a sex offender. While in custody the clerk told authorities he knew where Maguire's body was buried McGuire was romantically involved. And with Larry McClure's daughter thirty one year old Amanda maclear who also had ties to Minnesota in two thousand eighteen. Amanda McClure posted on facebook. That she and Maguire were engaged. Following Larry McClure's directions. Police discovered Maguire's body buried in a side yard of the maclear family residence in October. Tober police charged Larry McClure and his daughters Amanda maclear Annemarie Chowdhary with murdering John McGuire and hiding his body in a shallow grave on their property. Any they alleged a murder happened on February fourteenth per the criminal complaint against them attained by the Bluebell. Telegraph Larry Clearer. We're in an incestuous relationship and on March eleventh not four weeks after the murder. They drove to Virginia. And we're married by Methodist Minister. A marriage between between a father and daughter is illegal in the state of Virginia a misdemeanor punishable by six months in jail on November fourth Larry McClure sent police a handwritten letter containing containing a detailed confession to the murder. McClure described how McGuire was hit over the head with a wine bottle tied up and injected with two vials of methamphetamine. He was then strangled and his body buried in one location at the McClure's home before being moved to the side yard where it was later discovered. According to Larry McClure's letter Amanda McClure. His daughter and wife was the instigator of the murder. He says he doesn't know her motivation. But she did collect McGuire social security checks after his death breath he ends the letter by saying he would plead guilty or no contest which would save taxpayers. The cost of a trial in preliminary hearing for Annemarie showery which took place on November fifth. The prosecutors appeared to site details from the confession letter. The investigation continues and more charges may be brought against the defendants before we say goodbye. We have an update regarding the murders of Wisconsin brothers. Nick and Justin Demo. The brothers were reported missing in July after visiting visiting Garland Nelson's Missouri Cattle Ranch. They were there to collect two hundred and fifty thousand dollar debt from Garland Nelson Nelson was arrested in July for tampering with the SUV. The brothers drove to his farm and has since been charged with two counts of first degree murder in their debts. The body of Nick Dima was discovered ten days after after they were reported missing now police say they have recovered. The remains of Justin de more in Nebraska on Friday November fifteenth a rancher from Hershey Nebraska called police after finding what he thought were human remains in a trailer he recently bought in Missouri when he dumped the dirt out of a large plastic tub that was in the trailer he saw bones. Some personal items law enforcement confirmed the remains were human and were later identified as belonging to Justin Demo. Well that's it for today. We'll see tomorrow and until then stay safe Soared and scale. Daily is an incongruity media production. Your host was Ryan Williams Research and writing by Hagar Barak Executive Producer. Mike Day if you like the show subscribe and leave us a review. If you'd like to write us with feedback or suggestions use. He's the email address daily at sword and scale DOT com.

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Monocle Reads: The Wonders: Lifting the Curtain on the Freak Show, Circus and Victorian Age

Monocle 24: Meet the Writers

14:13 min | 1 year ago

Monocle Reads: The Wonders: Lifting the Curtain on the Freak Show, Circus and Victorian Age

"This is Nicole read. So I'm Georgina Godwin and today, I'm speaking to Dr John Wolf is an a story in under researcher with an extraordinary PHD, which is going to tell us about in just a moment. He's recently current in the bestselling audiobook, Stephen FRY's, Victorian secrets. But today he's his talk about his latest release the wonders lifting the curtain on the freakshow circus, and Victorian age. Belkin. Teach on vaguely having me. Tell us about UPS subject. Mcvay jr. Day. Look at the nineteenth century freak show, I need chapter focused on a particular freak performer, and look. How they're difference was constructed by various showman by various texts. I'm that told us about the Victorian world and understanding of difference in disability at the time and that the jumping off point for this book. Just before we go into I wanted to pick up on something that you mentioned in your introduction, because I think it's really important this, and that's about language and about how we describe people with disability. And the fact that here in this context that called freaks and that actually it's all really these a very sensitive issues. We need to be discussing voyeurism, expectation, ridiculing all of these things, and you do bring this up in your introduction. I think what's really, really important, and it's a distinction, I make in the book is between the freak and freak Performa. So when I talk about the freak I mean, a performance, a social construction, too much like a character in a film, the freak performer someone very different. That's the individual who has a life of stage that brings to life, the freak as an identity on stage, which is entirely different from somebody who has a disability and does not use it in subsidies really important. Sanction. Yeah. So tell us how the started because I mean it's very much that we associate with the Victorian time. But she began earlier than that. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean it's roots right back to the middle ages in the travelling fairs where you had all sorts of individuals were physical, anomalies from so-called dwarves, giant savages, who would travel around the UK and Europe, displaying, their difference, but then alongside the travelling fairs, you also had the Royal court of Europe, particularly in the seventeenth century. And there you would find individuals who would later populate, the freak show living within, Royal courts, so prime example with someone. I talk about in the book Jeffrey Hudson, who is a court off. He was seven years old when he was served in Nepal by to Queen Henrietta Maria, who is the wife of Charles I and he lived at core with her for many years. Yeah, there's a long history of, but we as the kind of fairly uneducated public. Really nerve it through PT Barnum circus. Yeah. The great foam, the greatest showman that came out, and that really rocketed Pt Barnum into popular consciousness. I don't know that kind of historian nitpicks films because it was trying to do something quite specific. And it was great. Great music, PD bottom isn't a really important figure. But he's also quite dog figure in this history. I mean, his first sort of rise to fame was on the back of displaying, senile, paralyzed, elderly slave named Joyce half. And he loved her across the northeast of America. She died in eighteen thirty six and he publicly dissected her body may money from her films like the greatest show whitewash that and for me that kind of frustration. I think they missed a trick there. I wonder how much control many of these before his head of their own destiny. I mean, we're a lot of the slaves enslaved. Yeah. I mean you've got this really complex dynamic between exploitation and empowerment and coercion and choice. So it would be very wrong to say the freak show was a terrible thing and everyone was exploited. That's true. I mean, many of these individuals who had disabilities faced a life of dependency, or destitution, or locked up in a work house, or asylum, and the freakshow gave him a platform, they became celebrities of their generation, they became active economic agents. So there's an empowering story to tell but there's also this darker story to individuals with cognitive disabilities. Put on stage for euro children, put on stage individuals who were exploited and abused. So as a really complex dynamic, and in the book, I try and unpack that slightly, and I don't want to impute are more than sensibilities onto the past and say, this is horrible. But I try and sort of unpack that tent dynamic, one of the reasons that became said populace that it got Queen Victoria's. Seal of approval. Not really done to Tom thumb. Tell us about him. Absolutely. I mean tomes a fascinating character. He was from Bridgeport, Connecticut in America, and he was discovered by PT bone. In eighteen forty two now, Tom thumb at the time was full years old. He was a toddler. He was a child. Very, very young. I'm bond and sewer bit of potential in Charles Stratton that was his real name, Charles Stratton. He changed his name to General Tom thumb. He inflated his age from four to eleven years old. And he said he was from England, and he thrust him onstage as four years old, in New York, now, Tom thumb became a celebrity. He was loved he traveled around the world. And he comes to London in eighteen forty four now he starts in the Princess theatre in Piccadilly, and it was a riotous crowd in. He was cool too little monster in the press. It wasn't very successful. But Pt Barnum who was really skillful, manipulator, an advertiser to long story short manages to get. Thumb into Buckingham Palace to meet Queen Victoria, and she's besotted with Thome thumb, 'bout twenty five inches to six years old, this point. He's funny. He can act he can perform, and it's the first of three meetings in eighteen forty four. Now Bonham really capitalizes on the fact that Queen Victoria, love Tom thumb, so much and suddenly he becomes a dwarf with Royal connections, patronized by Queen Victoria. And it goes viral the press talk about a deformed Thome mania that was happening in London at the time and you had little people from Germany in the highlands, come to London. Go into Buckingham Palace me Queen Victoria. And she kind of gave it this war seal of approval. And suddenly, it was perceived as a respectable form of entertainment, and it became really fashionable to have a cycled free because your friend. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean is so many one of the things I look at two individuals who became what I would refer to as freak. Fanciers. They loved going to freak shows. They talked about going to freak shows they invited freak performers around for tea and parties. And what's so interesting about the freak show, is it wasn't just, you know, upper middle classes. It was everyone from Queen Victoria, to the working classes, men, women and children. Everyone went to the freak show and they were celebrities of times to no one was a real bonus. Can you tell us about a couple more big characters that are featured in your book? Sure. So I talk a lot about Chenggong bunker, the Siamese, twin so-called Siamese twins. And they were discovered inside today's Thailand and brought over to firstly America, and then the UK in eighteen twenty nine they were performing in London, and they were sort of build as these exotic oriental freaks freaks of nature. They had a connecting ligament, about four inches long and anyway, eight kind of travel around the UK. They travel around America and. Get increasingly frustrated and resentful at their treatment. And so when they become twenty one years old in may eighteen thirty two day get rid of their manages, and they declare themselves as they said their own men and to the free performance become the freak showman. And they travel round for seven or eight years in America, displaying themselves. I'm what's really fascinating about them. They set to a North Carolina. They get married to two local white sisters. They father Twenty-one children between them. They become naturalized American citizens. They own their own farms, and then what's really shocking is they become slave owners. So these were so-called Siamese twins. Ethnically different brought over who became freak performers and transitioned in America in North Carolina to becoming slave owning farmers and fathers of the American South. I mean you call make this stuff up. Really, Kahn quite extraordinary. Do you have a favorite character in the book? I've got two one is Jeffrey Hudson. Who's this could will to Queen Henrietta Maria and I find him fascinating because he begins his court dwarf, he then becomes a court warrior. He actually fights in the English civil war. Now there's some question did he actually see fighting or not? But he was made a captain, by the Queen, he then kills a man in Joel. He shoots him in the head. He was a master of the queen's Royal corps, and he kept a mocking Jeffrey Hudson, because he was still a little person still seen as a court off Jeffrey challenges him to Joe. He shoots him in the head and Jeffries banished from call it gets more strange. She's then captured by Bob, re pirates and enslaved for twenty five years. He goes through hard labor is possibly tortured. He's then released and later in sixteen seventeen he goes back to London. Which is a Washington anti Catholic sentiment. They recognize him as the old who twelve to a Catholic Queen. He's thrown inside prison. Spends his sixtieth birthday inside prison, and dies out cost an unknown time in an unknown. Okay. Shen. Now that like say this happened. This is no friction. So he's one another one is a lady. Julia Pastrana who came from Mexico. Now, she had a number of congenital deformities, which meant she was covered in facial hair. She had to the protruding teeth really thick overgrown gums. She was referred to as the baboon lady, or the barrel-a-day, who is displayed across America, the UK, and Europe. Now, she marries her showman very shadowy figure could Theodore Len and they travel around together. Now he probably married to exert some control over her. She then in Moscow gives birth to a baby. Boy, his boom, if the same congenital deformities, both Julia Pastrana and the child die, and in adult turn to the phrase, the show must go on her. Husband. Come showman now widower decides to embalm his dead wife and child and continue with the show. And so they were displayed as the embalmed nondescript. Now, actually went onto marry another bid lady Marie Bartow who performed alongside the dead wife of her husband. They set to it in Russia. Theodore lent, by all accounts when insane and died in Russia mental asylum. And Julia Pastrana's body was only recently buried in two thousand and thirteen. So I think it was up until nineteen seventy she was still on display in Scandinavia, and she was found in underground department in Oslo. So her life is so fascinating because by all accounts, she was a charitable conned generous lady, who was so badly mistreated. But fact and fiction, always mix in the study of the freak show. We I really try and get their voices. You know, these individuals have been forgotten or have been sensationalized in fiction, nonfiction, my real aim was to humanize them, and give them a voice, but it's difficult because you've got this interrelationship between fact and fiction that permeates this whole world of freak show, of course, because they've all been given their own narratives that sells them. How did you get to that, though? Just tell me a little bit about your research. So I started why did my PHD and I began by a young covered these interesting stories, you know, those a few biographies out there, and I went to the archives of numerous archives around the UK in America, that have stacks, and stacks of posters, and pamphlets on these freak performers. And I really looked to exhibition pamphlets that told the story of these freak performers and then a true through newspaper archives and accounts and to try and piece together their lives. And in so doing more and more about these individuals. But I also learn. And how they were sort of enwrapped in this construction of that difference. You know, these fabulous stories. Julia Pastrana for example, it was alleged. She was the beast you product of a union between her mother and an eight. Now we have no records about her early years, obviously, that wasn't true. But suddenly when you look at those narratives that were told about free performers it actually starts to tell you, some really interesting things about the Victorian period as well. So there's a wealth of material out that all around America in the UK and Europe. And yeah, I spend a lot of my time immersed in those archives. And the result is this absolutely fascinating book. It's called the wonders lifting the curtain on the freak show circus, and Victorian age. It's published by Michael Amara books. It's by John Wolf. John, thank you so much. Thank you, sir. Coming in. Thank you. You've been listening to Monica reads to Christine Evans on Georgina. Gordon. Thank you for listening.

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Monday Morning Podcast 10-8-18

Monday Morning Podcast

1:01:55 hr | 2 years ago

Monday Morning Podcast 10-8-18

"Hey, what's going on its Bill? Byrne. It's time for the Monday morning podcast. Monday, October eight, two thousand eighteen what's going on. Our. Why is it going? I am. I am good. How are you? All my God. That is great. Can barely hear myself. I'm out here on the road. I don't have all my podcast equipment Bill. You really you're gonna come up with the excuses on Monday morning. Maybe I am. I'm still here in Boston After a quarrel win tour of the New England states, Springfield Boston, and then. Bridgeport, Connecticut. I want. Thank everybody that came out. You know an incredible week most people I've ever performed to over three day period in my career and could not have gone any better. Thank you so very much. I was in did the Boston Garden to TD Bank north garden. On. Friday night in the round got together with some buddies used to jam with back in the day, and we played in the empty arena just had the best time ever. Right. So anyways. I walk in, it's fucking places, huge. It's like Jesus Christ. You know, you make a little bit of noise in there. So it's not as nerve wracking and then you calmed down a little bit. You get comfortable. And then all of a sudden the people start calming and fills up and then you get nervous again. Right? So I had Tony v the great Tony. The guy who taught me. Basically how to write by not writing. I guy didn't write shit down. And I was like, what? If you could get a joke? And he was just like, well, means it's time to stop doing it. I just thought it was such a fucking bad ass cavalier attitude is like, I wanna be like that guy. So anyways, I worked with him and Paul Versi, so they both go up and they just acting like just doing a regular spot if they're fucking murdering, both of murdering. I was stuck in traffic the double park or something before he went in there. So I don't think it time to be nervous. Just ran out dated twenty. I'm in the, they put you for the green room when you did it. We were in the referees, like little fucking. Pretty called locker room. I was thinking all the people that must have been screaming on the other side of the door. 'cause you're not allowed to go in there if you're a coach player or anything like that. So anyways, I'm sitting in that doing what you do in that moment. That can how the fuck that I get here. Why me is this the end. Is everybody gonna show be like, we don't think he's twenty anymore, right? Some going through all of this shit trying to talk myself off the ledge, so I could just go out there and act like this big deal is not a big deal so I can perform the best. And right before I go out there, my cellphone rinks. And I see it's, it's my wife. Mike, look at this perfect timing. This is why love or this is why she's the best. She's, you know, she's going to say, hey, don't be nervous. Go out there. Yearned it a love. You, blah, blah, all that shit, right? We'll I pick up my phone in math. She's crying hysterically. And. By I was something happened to our kids like, oh my God, she fall down. Did you drop her this? Somebody come into the house with the puck cabin. Like I picked up the phone. She says. I was like, what? What's the matter with. What? What's the matter? She's like nothing. Mike. What is it? She's like, I just saw star board. It was so. Hours, like fucking kidding. Like Honey, I gotta show. I gotta go do. All right. I thought. The puck and shit that went through my head. All Stephen King level stuff, but what could have happened to her. In the house and my daughter and all of that type of stuff. So it was so fucking ridiculous. It just made me laugh and I went out there and I just told the story and then I was kind of find for the rest of the show, but. It was. I don't know these past two weekends, it felt like I dream the shows didn't feel like they really happen. So I don't know how the hell I got to that to be able to be the guy that did it, but I wanna thank everybody for coming out and. I. The Boston Garden. One really freaked me up because I, I literally started my stand up career. I told my shit and dick jokes, literally at Nick's comedy stop. I mean, I could've walked over there. I mean what it takes me about twenty five minutes, but still I could still walk van stage that I'm in. So anyways, I went out there and I had a great time. The only thing I had to deal with in the round those stools in the middle, and they had to keep walking around either side of it, and I've learned what you want, what you want to take the stool out of the middle and just lay it down on its side. You know, then if you wanna sit down, just pick it up and sit down, I guess if you're going to do that, but I just feel like if it's in the round, you have to kind of be moving. So people aren't staring at your backside the whole time. Anyways, and that I got on the other side of that one. And that one was nerve wracking just because I had all kinds of family and friends and co-workers and people. I went to school with all of those people coming down and it's just like a, what if I have a room tonight? What if I have a bad one. Then they got to be like, no, it was. It was good. It was good. God did you you a little weight? You look good going to the gym people trying to change the subject like that shirt. Your shirt look great. Things you don't wanna hear after. So anyway, so now I'm on the other side of it, and the Red Sox played game one. And of course it was a nail biter and I was just thinking if we don't win the Chris sale game where fucked and we want it. So thank God. So then game two comes around the next night. And I am in Bridgeport, Connecticut, and I missed the whole game because I was traveling. And then I was also. Doing my show. And once again, unfortunately, price could not get us victory in the postseason. And then of course, now it's like all the wheels are coming off in boss. Everybody's just like, oh my God. How could we have played two games with the New York Yankees in we won one and they won one who ever saw that coming after I one hundred eight regular season wins season. Spokane people, it's dislike. What happened like they were like already writing in the globe going was the hundred eight win season just a Mirage because we lost one fucking game to two hundred million dollar team that won one hundred games that we played nineteen times this year we went ten and nine. We one one day one we want to. They won one. We won one, they won three, we swept them and then they went to one to win one against us. And yeah, I I had one hundred bucks each game. Fifty version fifty with my agent. You know, the overall season thing the most I got up. They were up by like one fifty one point and I was up one fifty and in the end nineteen games, they owed me. Fifty bucks each. We want one more fucking game. So everybody sitting there freaking the fuck out. And they're going to try to build this thing up like, oh my God. This is the greatest team. One of the greatest teams ever to one hundred fucking games. It doesn't mean shit. The Orioles are not going to be there in October. I keep saying how many times I have to be right. How many times do you guys have to shake your head and discuss and reach for the stop button? Because once again, overall, Billy ofr himself is once again crowing about something that he said was going to happen. I would say far back as July. You know, definitely after we slept monogamist. What exactly like in ESPN. Oh God his over over. It isn't over. So all you people out there who get confused with regular season wins. Okay. Just take everybody off the board at the end of the season who isn't going to go into the playoffs and then look how they did against the playoff teams. It's a simple as that. I think we're about, you know. Pretty even with the. The Indians. I didn't look up the Indians or the Astros, but I think we're even with the Indians. We probably had a losing record against the Astros and what ten and ninety gets the Yankees. So. Those are the teams we're going to be playing. That's how they've matched up against wise. It surprising that we're one of one. If we lose this playoff series. Yeah, it won't be nearly as a surprising fucking thing. You know, considering the last two times we played the Yankees. We've lost both regular season series. Right. So I'd say we're due to win this one. So we need fucking. Whatever's fucking Namus. Pursell. Oh, to have one of his good games tonight, then we'll be up two games to one. Before we get the shit kicked out of us by the Astros. That's my prediction. That's what I feel is is is going to happen if we get by the keys. And if we don't get by the Yankees, despite what Shaughnessy and all these guys will say it wasn't a major fucking collapse despite what Johnny Damon said. I guess one of my buddies goes, do you believe Johnny? Damon is fucking. Rooting for the Yankees -absolutely I can't. Absolutely. He wasn't a red sock. He was a and then he became a free agent. And once once you get a fucking free agent, you can't fall in love with them all in love with the stripper, right? He's going to go with the money. He didn't give book, pay me. He grew his shit up. You know that the Red Sox and then he goes to the Yankees. Yeah, you can sign what does, but you gotta get a haircut, and he's like, okay, he went downhill like a good little school boy. I got him already per scouting picture. So now he's, he's for the shift. He helped booking. And the cursor Boston. I'm good with the guy. We had a great time. Great bucking time while he was on the team. So anyways. I'm gonna watch that game tonight. I believe game three is tonight, and I'm not going to think that you know. I'm hoping that we can win this thing, but like just the way that they're already building this thing up like this is going to be, oh, my God. Like if the Red Sox win winning all this year, right? Is this one of the greatest teams of all time? Now I wouldn't say that even if they had a hundred and eight wins. You know, compared to some of those of the force, Red Sox beat the fucking. Twenty eighteen. Who's. Was the fourteen one of the great teams of all time. How. Well built who you thinks gracing the fucking Oakland as nearly seventies those teams. The big red machine. I think those will better teams. I have no fucking idea. I'm just saying everybody fucking relax. Put you fucking eyebrows down. Anyways, plowing ahead here. So I'm still here in Boston and. Anytime I come back from my man, I miss living here, but this time more so than any other time. I don't know why. I just I took the day after. The Boston Garden gig. I was still staying in Boston, and I walked over to the north end. As I always do. And I went down Hanover street, and then I kinda, you know, I was walk about halfway down the corner store, and then I fuck in break off to the left, and I'd try to find shit that isn't Hanover street is like the Times Square the north end right? And ended up finding this great place to get a saying which and be my tool manages fucking hung out in this park, eat the sandwiches. Unlike a perfect day for Sonny, New England day in the north end, it was a great talion deli where they had all of this. Italian. It's just like they take food to the tireless next low. And I was in there just like wanting to order everything because I live on the west coast kick. You coulda talion. You can't get good pizza. Can't get any of that shit. But I was just like, I guess they died and not get too crazy mardi bread here. So I just got a tuna, small tuna. Subba guess you'd call it out here and just the way they season. It was fucking perfect that celery onions in there and something else mixed in with the tune and just a hint, a man as and even the size of the way they chopped up the onions and salvage. It was perfect. It all just added to it. It all just kept taking the tune into the next level and it was sitting in a park, I would say to my manager with fucking sandwiches. Unbelievable and even lives on the east coast like, yeah, it is a good sandwich. We sat there going. Is there anything better than just sitting outside a good sandwich? And that's the end of the sandwich story. It was. It was tremendous smoking, tremendous. That's one of my favorite parts. You know of Boston, and then I always walked and I walked over to the garden to buy some Bruins stuff for my daughter, and I walked by, you know, that bridge go over to get to Charlestown, which I never even knew that that's what that was. I'd always heard it Charlestown, but I didn't know where the fuck it was until that movie town came out. You know, I've learned more goddamn shit about Boston by watching movies about it. When I lived here. I just I didn't. You know. I knew how to get to like sports venues, but I didn't know you know, east Boston. I still don't even know where that is. I would not get the. I know what Chelsea is. I don't know what now I know what Xiao's down is. Back Bay. I don't. I don't even know where the fuck that is where that starts, where that ends. I know where Newbury street is. Something stomach's growling here. I don't know. So tonight is my soda the next couple days. Hang back here just because I got a bunch of fucking nieces and nephews and all of that shit. And on the other side, I got one more Rena gig. Everybody one more left before. Fucking freckles turns back into a pumpkin and that's November seventh Madison Square Garden. And it's gonna be me version. Joe bar, Nick. And I'll tell you, I wish I was taping his special right now because I feel like my our is ready to go. But. Dude of different things that's I think I'm gonna take until next year, but. I've been having more goddamn fund and I swear to God. I really believe that the more things get crazy on social media with these lunatics that have gone so far left that I'm questioning, whether I'm even left anymore. The more they do that. I feel like the more you can get away with on stage people just laughing even more. Anyway. See that Cavanaugh guy got on the fuck supreme court. I don't know what that means. I know a lot of people are upset about it. You know, I don't understand those women getting fucking arrested and then they're sticking fist in the air that doing the black power thing. That was black power, right. The fuck can take that to Larry white women, the United States of America fight the power. The kid. They can't come up with their own fucking thing. They should steal the Sammy, Hagar thing that he used to do where he took the two. I love you. Thanks together. Any would sort of put his index? Strongest again, is some together in than you know, stick his tongue through the middle Weigl acting like he was going down on a woman man. That's what she could do in the eighties at a mainstream concept. Swimming should have something like that. Just don't stick the tongue through it. Then I think it's respectable the women. I think that that's where that park goes off the rail. I'm not sure I'm not. I don't know much about the hand gesture, but I I know enough about him to be like that was the black power one that someone from the Olympics. You can't tell me at this point to get arrested at a protest to stick your fucking hand up in the air. You don't feel like you're doing the Charleston that doesn't feel a little dated. You know, this guy to be something new that you're doing like. Like doing a job aid, take my wife, please. Let's like the fuck and protests version of that. You mean like. I had the low five. Then you had the high five, then they will bump bumping forums. Then they'd come into kind of do like that, you know, like you deliberately missed and then forearms and elbows, kind of lock. Then there's all these elaborate. Fuck and handshakes always goes to the next level. But for some reason with protesting. They just, you know, timeless classic the fist in the air. I'm saying that needs to be switched up. I don't know what I would go with. You guys want to check in on some feminists tweets. One of my favorites could things to do. Let's see what they're demanding today. Maybe they're in a good mood today. Can you imagine that you mentioned if you just went to feminism and they were like, you know what? Kind of happy with America. All right. Them. As the probably get this people trashing feminism. I don't wanna see that. Oh, no. She's one of those feminists. Yes, only just fresh from. Okay. Is this a guy wearing this shirt? Of course. 'cause he's woke. Feminism is the radical notion that women are people. To some people. It is what I love about feminism is is really no clear definition. It's just what it means to the person. It's kind of like, what? What is art. Why men's rights activists the shooter according to his Facebook is of feminism feminist? Sorry, it's just trashing at Christ. You know what? Let me look this one of you gotta get the ones where they make it about themselves. That's my favorite Cavin. Right. How do you spell. Cavenaugh confirmed. Okay. Here we go. Right. It's an f. y. f. why everyone supreme court justices can be impeached. It rarely happens, but it's absolutely possible. Just keep in mind until I don't know. Let's say mid November. All right. It's about the election. When do I get my own handmaiden. That's how this works. Right. All right. Once again, that's a little dramatic. Don't you think. Probably. I love this is a good one. I met three black people, a gay man as Hispanic man and more women than men. Yesterday that support cavern identity politics is sexists racists. Don't be part of it. Identity politics is gross. Don't be part of it. I, that's always convenient, right? You know, I think Obama stinks in on a democrat. Liberal help Kevin win by showing how ridiculous they truly are. Hell yet. Cavanaugh. Come on man. I like the other ones. Some old holding up sign in his woman dancing around him. All right sisters going off the rails. I got, I got. I want this to be a fuck and a legitimate segment. The power structure wasn't willing to risk, not having a majority of straight. Sys- gender, conservative, white men, directing our laws practices in policies into the CBA future. They would rather have a sexual assaulter than literally anyone else. Yeah. Everybody sees it the way that they've could see it man, you know, it's kind of weird way with those things. The burden of proof is way less. Because if that was a trial, that would have been like, yeah, dude, you can't be. I think it was him. I don't really remember. Yeah. Yeah, they'd be like, all right. Yeah, we don't have time for this. You gotta come back with an evidence. Having said that I still believe the woman just because she kept telling the fucking story over and over and over again, I dunno, fuck knows. But some of this shit the cabin was getting who doesn't have a bunch of fucking friends was stupid nicknames from high school. Fucking Headley squash, plank, Gazeta Frenchie. With the puck. Nice, cool. Anyways, plowing ahead. Keep missing all the goddamn racing. I got the Buchan eft one app. It just keeps showing me. I got the f one TV and I was watching what watching this race from one thousand nine hundred nine Japanese f one Senate dude are best of all time and. Fuck was the against. I forget fucking name, but it was. Phenomenal washed it almost right to the Senate was coming back driving like a lunatic and. The actually had the onboard cameras. If you can watch it like the cars back then sounds so much more ferocious and dangerous. And then also when you look at the lack of safety, it's just like they fucking head is just. Got that halo and shit around you. Definitely seems you know. Like the death rate must've been way higher obviously was built in the guy talking about ended up dying, but. Phil, why don't you read some advertising here now that you've meandered bombed with your fucking. Twitter feminism, fuck and breeding the tweets there because you didn't look up. Why didn't you walk in. Come gotta be good one here. He's just not a likable looking guy this Cavanaugh. I think that's, that's what really hurts. You gotta be likeable. You know, Bill Clinton Bill Clinton is likable shifted that guy's getting busted for doing women's still like fucking it's unbelievable. You know, it's just a bunch of pro cavenaugh people crowing on here. That's all it is. We must vote. Here's the end of everything. Right? P. America. Cavenaugh confirmed. I mean, that's a little dramatic. We didn't just hire this guy to become a fucking Fuhrer. Did we the end of everything. All right. Let me read the advertising. I know this is like brutally. Not professional here. Okay. Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh, my bookie everybody. Sure. Watching football fund, but it's more entertaining when you have some action on the games guys. 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I missed the Connor Magritte's my podcast, not because I'm traveling so much as everything that I missed. I missed my kids when his seventh motor GP race of the year is running away with the title. Once again. I'm still trying to figure out how to watch f one races legally on the internet. I signed up for something I paid for that f. one TV now watching shit from nine hundred eighty nine. I saw that the Russian guy what is kibbles bits there with big for you. Had he beat the Burger King guy. There Conor McGregor. Which is going to set up a great rematch if you know something, it'd be great if they didn't fuck in had that stupid flight in the end. That was really dumb. I don't understand like those bras, breakout. These, like ninety percent of people are going to break it up. And then there's always that one lunatic that just comes running in. You know, lies in just jumps in and tries to punch somebody. Say, put the puck is wrong with you. Anyways, here's my upcoming dates. Everybody I'm gonna be in Saginaw Michigan at the Dow events center of this Friday, October twelfth. And then the next day I'm going to the wolverines fuck in Wisconsin, badgers. I'm going to be in Baltimore, Maryland and the Modell Modell lyric on my God. This beyond gig, October eighteen early shows sold out late show tickets, still available land City, New Jersey, borgata resort. Tober nineteenth to shows I was supposed to added another show in the twentieth, but we're going to move that one because that's my. Five year wedding anniversary that we can. So I gotta be home and going to be good. Five, you would right. I gotta get something made out of wood going to whittle something. Tober twenty six zero Zona comite Comerica theatre doing the evening show there. I also I'm going to do the goddamn comedy, Jim, and my podcast. Then got mad Square Garden. On November seventh, and then I end my year remember eighth through the tenth of Chicago theater eight nine ten eight nine. Ten three days there. Okay. Three days at the unbelievable Chicago theatre and. And that's it. And then the rest of the year on plucking off, but it's filling up with bullshit. It has always sort of fucking bullshit. Let's read some of the questions here for this week. Oh, yeah, you know, they say sober October. Which I jumped into late. Is I drank the first day then I didn't drink any other days except last night. I had a few. I'm in Boston. What am I supposed to do. So I drank too to what a what's today today, the eighth. All right. So I'm six, two. Back on the wagon. Here we go. And I was saying, you know, be gravely sober up, Tober makes you not want to drink be grades. They could come up with a rhyme for November. So somebody came up with no bender. November doesn't really rhyme, but it's close enough. He said, you'll Billy TD Gad and crushed on the puck. Eighth Lewis Friday, thank you. He said, no, booze November is called no bender November in case you can't think of a way to rhyme you dumb genius. Well, it doesn't really weren't. Okay. There's a word for that. When there's two things that they sound like they rhyme that they don't called hyperbole. I have to go. It's called a run on sentence. Remember that shit stupid. Terms English class. Two words that rhyme, but don't. Terminology. What do you call two words that? No, no, no, I didn't. I didn't ask right God. Dammit. Two words that sound like they rhyme, but they don't. Come on, give it to me, what does it call word sound like they Ryan, but all right, half rhyme. I thought they had a bigger term for that soliloquy. I don't know anyway, let's get back to this compulsion. All right. Toilet paper versus of fancy toilet. Hey, freckles. This seat is better for the violent because thousands and thousands of leaders of water and kilowatts of power go into the production of toilet paper. Thanks, you dumb. Fuck. Okay. Well, what about having to then have an electric toilet seat. What about all the extra water you going to be using hosing off your asshole. You know, I mean, they both. It's like driving Tessler. Okay. So it doesn't use guests, but what happens? He throat that giant battery underneath the car, although I'm totally for those cars and electric power. Because even if it pollutes the environment just as much, at least we'll be out of the Middle East, they know that's their problem. We just convert solar power. We all drive quiet electric cars. You know. There are bucking one trick pony over there in the Middle East. They don't produce any cars anybody wants, you know. Cuisine, they got cuisine, and they got oil that cuisines, delicious our cars, love their oil. But you know, if you put that put him out of business, they go money to fund any sort of terrorist groups, and then we leave him the fuck alone. And then they go back to just being mad at each other. Done out, see the Claire victory. Go home, right? Make smoothie broccoli sprouts in your smokey gear. Billy bison, but I'm really into fitness and eating healthy and all that. All right. To that point. You may want to consider researching the benefits of broccoli. Sprouts contain lots of anti cancer properties, and the research is new with loss of tests to back it up. I want you to live forever. Thanks, go, fuck yourself. All right. So what am I supposed to look this up? Broccoli sprouts, straight up. Broccoli was broccoli, sprout, raw goalie. Sprouts. K. answer. All right. Let's see what they say here. Econo- broccoli. Sprouts may not only help prevent cancer, but also treat what Jesus Christ says. It may. Suffer. Laughing is bonded vegetables, such as kale, cauliflower, and cabbage, and in particular high concentrations in young broccoli sprouts. She's christ. I gotta eat those things. You gonna freeze them. All right. Well, you know, I looked it up. It says they do that. So now I believe it. Enough broccoli sprouts. All right. Here we go. I I'll definitely do it. You know. All right, art. Deco bars. Hey, there freckles you mentioned looking into an art deco bar, check this one out. It comes inside an eighty million dollar airplane. Pretty sweet. Drop a few. Those Netflix coins. There. Let me see this fucking thing in art deco bar plane. That's not an plane. What. Private business aircraft manager. Embraer executive just have created a new luxury jet dubbed the Manhattan which takes passengers back to the nineteen twenties with art deco designs. Isn't it enough that you fly in private? Yeah, I'd love a private jet, but what is the theme created by the company's vice president of interior design, Jade, Viva, and former dizzy. Imagine near. Image near Eddie Soto jet. What t sounds shady. Eddie? Soto. Jaber you'll try to fuck your girlfriend eighty solely shady. The will make you feel as though you're stepping back in time and its with its rich mahogany wood panels, brass, and gold trimmings and vibrant jewel tones. Sounds like it's going to take a lot of fuel to get off. The ground beaver was inspired by the art deco interior designs of the SS Normandy, French ocean liner. I say of the SS fucking German psychopaths. There. I use the Nazis Nazi Germany to inspire this. This Bill. Some explained to me how the fuck you can never fly private and make any money. I will never understand that. You know it caused an absolute fortune and he can't even write it off. You like if you spend like twenty grand on, fuck in private plane ticket like the government's only could have flown first class, fifteen hundred bucks to grant. You're the dumbest. Spent another eighteen grand. That's on. You. That's the way it might come explain to me. All right, shit. Talk in people. Dear, Billy Justice, what's the deal with? Okay. So what's the deal with talkers getting mad when other people talk? Shit, all of my beef comes from hypocrites. These days. I keep hearing people comedians as well. Get mad at people who who make fun of them. The same people make a living doing the same. I need some examples here this. Yeah. I mean, I don't agree with that. If you go around making fun of people and you shouldn't get mad at people making fun of you right. Meaning hecklers. I don't mind hecklers. You know that any mind these people that right mean shit to me on Twitter and knowing. But I mean, I accepted. I try to try to rise above it the same people who make a living doing the same thing. The same people who never think for a minute about what they're saying. Flip the fuck out when someone trashes them. It's something yell at to no one in my car. On the way home from work on a daily basis, quote, you motherfucker. Hoppy expect to be treated like this when you yourself are doing the same thing. It's the golden rule right out the window. It's law nature right out the window Bill. I'm losing my mind anyways. I was wondering how you deal with these people do yell at everyone, you know, do you lose your friends and colleagues? I'm sure you had a celebrity friend complain about something they have done themselves million times. What would you say. Well, listen, if you're going to talk about hypocritical behavior, the fucking king of that. And I've been guilty of that trash and people on stage than getting upset if someone was addict to me. Everybody, everybody's like that. Everybody's got flaws so I don't. I don't know really know what you're asking me. But like I do find funny with some of these people who are like, entertainment, who are you know. You know. Pro-women advanced all that, which why wouldn't you be? But then the way they go, they go about it. Is there the sale Sex's shit about guys, these big sweeping generalizations and all that. It's like you literally sound like what you're fighting right now, and they're like, oh, shut up. Your white guy. It's like, yeah, yeah, white guy who would know more about that. Then then a white guy. You sound like a white gush. Maybe that's the way you try to convey to them because then you kinda shit on yourself. You sound like a white man. That is not a compliment. You know what I mean? Why do I think this audio is going to be played at a Klan meeting? This is where the Wiedeman is right now thinks the sound lock himself. It is not a compliment. It all went off the rails with first free in the slaves. Second Yoann MTV wraps, and then Obama. Yeah, I would just say that. Like some of the like I thought a lot of the ways that people were just talking about cabinet was downing Li like, you don't hear that you're doing what you're doing. You're against racism and all of that shit like you can't say you being racist against the white guy because your thoughts don't affect, but it's basically if you were in power, that guy would be fucked like a white guy. Just never heard the word. No, every door just flew open. You know that that cartoon version of being a white dude. I don't know. I just thought so much of it was about they just built this whole story behind this guy. I guess that's density politics like, oh, he, he went to Yale. He's a white guy. He was, you know, he played sports. Okay. He's a date. Rape is all the doors flew. Open is dad was a judge. He never went to jail. Whatever the fuck they're talking about is just going like, give up about a little evidence. Yeah. All right, boyfriend being shady. I didn't even answer this question. What do I say? Those people? If I'm in a zone, I don't say anything. In a bad place, a let it ruin my morning and I'm like, you and I. Like I remember when Harvey Weinstein, I got busted than Fox News. This is what Hollywood is like. I just member yelling and your network. Bill o. Reilly. What about all these other fucking main guys over there? I mean, I don't know. Mateer where it's at. I'm telling you or boyfriend being shady, hey, Billy no Bunce all my man, and I have been together for six years, but this past year he's become really close to this lady from work. That's not good. They spent a lot of time together going to bars parties and work. Obviously, I don't go out with them because I don't like to drink and having Zayed's. He'll make me feel like I'm crazy for getting upset, but if the situation was switched and I was going out drinking dancing with another man, he too. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. He's going out drinking and dancing with another woman. I think you're well and you're right to be like. Yes. So then I mean, the next logical step is you're gonna finger blaster here. What's going on here anyway? What's your opinion on this chill out? And if so, how ELO? Thanks of clock yourself. I need the valley. What you think this is bullshit. Big out drinking and dancing with another woman. I mean, I don't think you know. The only thing I could say that is if you don't go out, if you don't hang out and you have anxiety, I don't know what the anxieties about, but like this guy likes to go out. He don't like to go out at all. Maybe guys aren't right for each other or maybe you guys find some shit that you both. Like, you know. Yeah. I mean, that's. Not a good situation. So I would. I would tell the person what you think. I don't think you'd be wrong, and I think that is shady behavior. All right. That's just the wino-. What the fuck do I know. All right. What do we got? This is the last question. I got twelve minutes left. I swear to God. If I don't have my microphone in my bucket headphones, it's literally like kryptonite. All right. I break up. Hey, you freckled. Fuck his fucking relationship goes down the tubes, and then they come at me all hostile. I'll make this quick. I just want to tell someone and honestly, honestly, before I talked to my parents, I know you're dyslexic like me, so I'll use basic words. I appreciate that. I'm a senior nice school. I'm on the varsity wrestling and run and run distance track. My free time has only consisted of homework and Netflix. Parentheses after two families. My favorite show. Nice guys, see how we announce that the great bench Vaughn. Will be on the, we'll be on season three. No season to season three. Yes. He's getting myself anyways. He said. I'm senior high school. Well, that was like ten months ago. I never dated a girl ever, but I had a crush on this girl for like a full year. She runs cross country is waste martyr than I will ever be. All right, great. Put her up on a pedestal seal that works. She's a year younger than me, but we eventually started talking because when the boys and girls varsity teams would hang out, we both would be there. Eventually, she became all that I thought about. I literally could not focus on school running it cetera. We talked almost every night over text to, and we're together every time I went out with team, we went to homecoming my first time together. If you weeks ago and I had my first kiss their Jesus Christ, it sounds like fucking perfect story. After that night, we really didn't talk over text that much. We don't have any classes together and practice is not a good time to hang out anyway. About a week ago. She text me and said she didn't see future of us being more than friends. I told her what I got. I just said, that's fair. And all I want is for her to be happy, which is true. But I thought I would be able to brush that shit off like it was nothing, but I'm writing this Email for no reason. So that obviously didn't hap-. Should I have fought harder to keep together just move on. I'd never been relationship and I don't know what to do anymore. Would appreciate your vice as always go, fuck yourself. You sound like a funny Kidman I think you get yourself, you know by Nick, you'll be fine. Just keep using humor. Cry it out. Yeah, you've plucking fell hard for this person and then they sent you packing and then you like, what is this something wrong with me? And it's like, no, there is just not right. She broke up with you for a specific thing. You know, you're torturing animals and I just don't like that about you. She just said, not right. She didn't feel the spark the way you did. That's what happens and she did you favor. So the best thing is you didn't yell at her and you still kind of friendly with her. So what I would do is I would just fuck, but don't brush it off. If you have to brush something off, that means you, you're trying to trick yourself that you don't give a shit. You do give shit and just sort of big in giving his shit about it, talk it out with people. But I would leave her alone but be friendly. What say, hey, what's up. And. You know, and you're young, you still in high school. You gotta. You gotta you gotta zillion at bets. That was your first buck in bet. You know, what are you going to do? So I wouldn't. I wouldn't take that heart. But it's normal that if you like somebody and they break up with you, feed of feel bad. All right. If you could just brushed it off, it was no big deal. And that would mean that you didn't like or that you were like a sociopath. And that would lead you to torturing animals and eventually work your way up to the ultimate prey. Being a human being walking out of a seven, eleven unsuspectingly. So that's gonna be the podcast fifty, three minutes contractually obligated to do another six and a half minutes here. Right. So anyways, I've been pretty good on my diet. Breakfast, I've been better than anything else, but just coming back and trying to avoid all the old haunts that I go to, but it's been. Spend difficult. I'm trying to do smoothies in the morning. But you know, I'm staying with some relatives and they just been, you know, like, oh, so, and so's in town. Let's make pancakes, right. What do you say? No, actually, no. Could I get some Greek yogurt was some berries and some Chia seeds, but of the fuck you call those things to me. That's acceptable on the west coast. Do that out here. Everybody starts talking like, hey, do you know? Don't forget. We came from now. In east coast guy. Okay. You die of a heart attack, fifty sixties. You know, that's how it works. Get all sit down and eat this shit. That's gonna make you wanna take a nap. That's basically it right. Well, I'm hoping. I'm open. I can jump right. I'm gonna jump right back on the when I get out there doing the best I can. I get a full could fell today, then I would. I would be. Be fine. I just have to get on the other side of this, to be honest with you, get to the other side of the fucking Chicago theatre gig. And once I do that, then I feel. I can just cruise for the rest of the year. I'm going to do my eastern European tour. And another little run. I think next year we're gonna do is every six weeks. I'm gonna go overseas and knock something out, hopefully get some Australia dates in that type shit. That is the game plan and somewhere in there to shoot a special. I don't know where a when yet, but. I know it's feeling like it's feeling like it's fucking ready. You know, and I've been throwing all these extra lines and people, but really laughing at all of it just goes the complete opposite direction of. All of this shit. That's kind of going on out there. Which I don't know. Means it's either going to be a really good special, or I'm just going to get fucking trashed. Well, like this just sounds like a wining white male pining for the way, things used to be the bay when they do their fucking shit. And it's just like, no, a contrarian. That's all it is. So evidently a star is born. Which stars, Dave Chapelle, Andrew dice clay. I think there's one other comedian in there too. I didn't see my wife sought, never dental loved it to the point that she was crying like a loved one died. She's like, you gotta come out. We have to see that movie. And I was like, like a dirty dancing type of movie because I just don't see myself. Maybe it was a good thing that you saw it by yourself. And I guess she's like Bradley Cooper entities. Fucking unbelievable. Wrote all the music. He's so talented and I was like, I love Bradley Cooper, right? And she's like, lady Gaga is in it. I was like. She's like, what's the matter? You don't remember the long time ago when I went to the lady Gaga concert with you, it was the day the patriots got crushed by the ravens in the playoffs. So I'd already had like six years. You remember that. And evidently said Jesus fucking Christ in the middle of the concert. It's only once she said he said at like four times, we got this big confide. Not really. She was just mad at me saying that I ruined the experience for so ever since then whenever she goes to one of these big shows like she doesn't. She doesn't ask me to go anymore. Which is funny, but now that I set it out loud is a little sad I I should be able to sit through. No, I liked lady Gaga when she was singing, but it just kept just was like this fucking. I don't know what it was. It was like this self help program. I've felt more than a concert. And they just kept fucking talking about. They didn't give a file give fug, but I don't give a bug. It's it's like, get on with not giving a fuck. Stands around talking about how they don't give fuck Jesus fucking Christ. I mean, that's basically what it was. Long. It was probably only like twenty percent of it. The other eighty percent of my team lost in the playoffs. So it's probably good thing. Yeah. I'll be honest with you. I don't. I don't know. I don't know if I can sit through movie that has people singing in it. And that has nothing to do with the people that are singing it has to do with me. I just don't know what it is. I, I can watch the dumbest shit ever like somebody is one hundred people with machine guns shooting at the guy, and somehow the guy doesn't die. Like that to me for some reason, it's less ridiculous than watching two people sitting across each other talking and all of a sudden, one of them starts singing. And nobody's like looking like to in a restaurant creek can stop fucking sing and just just say what you have to say. Weird me out here like, no, that moment never happens in a musical. You know, it's funny. I, I don't even know what that movies about. I should go see it. I watch the same movie over and over again. It's just as different title. So you know, I'm gonna broad my, you know, I'm gonna go see that movie. I'll go see. 'cause Dyson Chapelle in. God, I go them. My wife is crying and I have to like comfort her and all that shit. She's crisis. I, we were going to let that we have a good time. Look at you fucking crying and I will walk in public and everybody's looking at me like I just said something mean to you, and I a big, she just stars born. It was really good. That's why she has an expression on face like something really bad just happened. Time. Dirty Vanson weird. Our word. You know, I don't know. There's people who watch top gun and they like the airplanes. And then there's other people that watch it and they liked the kiss between Tom Cruise and Kelly mcginnis me. I just like the volleyball game. I don't talk with you. All right. Thanks to the podcast. Thank you. Everybody came out to Springfield, Boston and Bridgeport, Connecticut. My mind is blown that I was able to play in those venues. It was it didn't even make sense. I felt like a fucking cartoon character. I never never never even thought it could ever do whatever do something like that. So thank you so much and everybody Saginaw Michigan, you know, it's fucking amazing. Second edition, Michigan, my great grandfather and grandmother had a house in Saginaw Michigan. I'm gonna drive and take a picture of it for some of my relatives because they wanna see it's still same thing, but they live there like fucking hundred years ago. See, you never know probably has solar panels on it, so very knocked down and made them make mansion fucking hot tub and shit there who knows. But I'm really looking forward to 'cause I've never performed Saginaw Michigan. So we're all bringing our a. game me, verbally, Bartnik Saginaw Michigan. The next day we're going to the big house so you their tailgate. All right. Look to ball guys in one fucking giant Cam nealy looking guy, we'll be hammered. We'll see. They're all right. Check on your on Thursday.

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Casey Gwinn  The Science of Hope & The Alliance for Hope International

The Healing Place Podcast

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Casey Gwinn The Science of Hope & The Alliance for Hope International

"Welcome to the healing place part coast. Space with inspirational stories of hope. Along with practical advice for your healing journey. Your host, Terry Walbrook Trauma Warrior. Writer Speaker Blogger. Therapy dog handler and founder of the same as fumbles of hope project. As a survivor and thrive over Terry's mission is to shine the light of hope into the world by interviewing insightful guests from across the globe. Please stay tuned at the end of today's interview as we honor our sponsors. The healing place podcast is a fiscally sponsored. Project of fractured atlas. Now. Here's your host. And Trauma Warrior. Terry well brought. Welcome everybody to the healing place podcast. I'm your host Terry well. And very excited to have with me. Today Casey Gwen, and he is the President of Alliance for Hope International so welcome. Great to be with you. Yes, and we were chatting just for a few minutes beforehand and I'm just really thrilled to have you here to talk about the hope aspect of everything. We're going for the world. particularly in regards to domestic violence. Yeah, it's been an amazing journey for us to be sure. I began my career as a prosecutor almost thirty five years ago, and I was sick the day that everybody picked their area of interest and came back the following Monday and the only area that hadn't been picked was domestic violence. That's how I became a domestic bounce prosecutor in an advocate and now social. Social. Change Agent just because I wasn't there. Nobody else wanted to do it, so it's been a very interesting journey to kind of come into this work thirty five years ago, pretty paternalistic, not really coming from a feminist standpoint, and then slowly realizing it was my family, two generations of that I grew up in a home impacted by violence abuse with A. A father, impacted by violence and abuse, and slowly became very personal and thirty five years later. We're now here. We are I run an organization called Alliance for Hope International, and we love your focus on hope. We love your focus on hope as a pathway to healing, and so when I saw your work, I just had to reach out and say we need. Need to connect and talk about hope particularly now more than ever. Yes, thank you well and I I just. I feel so blessed to have this platform into offer that hope especially in regards to healing, I to grew up, my dad was extremely violent during my first ten years of life in now that I understand adverse childhood experiences are aces I understand Health Trauma Generational Trauma and how I look back I. Think Oh, my Gosh! Dead I wish he was still alive to talk to him about you. Know I realize now how much he experienced violence in his household, and fortunately he was able to receive counseling I remember the day. He sat me on his knee and said. I should have been hitting you out of frustration and anger, and I will never hit you again in. He never did hit me again and so that was very healing Lohman for our relationship. Yeah, that's great. I didn't know much about ACE's or hoke. Very early on in my journey as a prosecutor I just became very focused on how to stop bounce against women and girls that became my passion in my a prosecutor, went on to become elected prosecutor in San Diego in nineteen, Ninety six, and served eight years as the elected prosecutor in San Diego, and during that time we started to realize that the answer was not simply criminal justice, system, intervention or mental health intervention. The answer was we had to create community for survivors. We had offer survivors a place to go where they could belong long after the crisis, so we started planning what what ultimately became the San Diego Family Justice Center. which was the first twenty five agency. Agency collaborative of its kind in the country or victims, and their kids could come one place, and we started focusing on domestic violence than expanded out to Child Abuse Sexual Assault Elder Abuse Human, trafficking twenty five agencies, one hundred and twenty professionals, hundred twenty volunteers on any given day coming together in forty thousand square feet in downtown San Diego, and of course, homicide started to drop a survivor. Starr stopped going back over and over again to their abusers. Because now they have the resources they need. They had a pathway forward, and they had things their kids, so that journey into figuring out what services could look like not just a shelter, not just mental health services not just. Go here for this. Go here for that. Tell your story over there. Tell your story over there, but this whole notion of bringing everything together is what really kind of changed the trajectory of my life. We opened that center in two thousand, two of the San, Diego. Family Justice Center in January, three I, spent two days on the Oprah Winfrey. Show and Oprah Winfrey endorsed the concept of the Family Justice Center and afterwards in the Green Room. She said I just changed the rest of your life and I kind of laughed and thought. You know nice to be in Chicago in January. Not exactly a life changing experience and Oprah Connor rolled her eyes, and said I just changed the rest of your life and I kind of again I so such an honor to meet you. Jesus amazing human being and I left within two years. We did site. Visitors from seventy seven countries come to the San Diego Family Justice Center and slowly that concept of why can't victims go one place for everything they need? Why can't we create this culture of hope under one roof that became the pathway. I left office in Oh four. We started opening these centers all over the country. We had a camping program. Program was part of the San Diego Family Justice. Center called Campo San Diego. That ultimately now has become camp hope America, and so we started looking at this question of how do you give people place to belong? And he'll and then begin to move forward in their lives, and it wasn't until twenty twelve that I met somebody doctor Chan Helmet at the University of Oklahoma, who has measuring Holt in everything that he did and I didn't even know you could measure hope in Bids Feleti the author of the study. Co Author of the study with Bob. Onda Vince was already a friend in San Diego. For years, but never really gone, deepen the a study so two thousand twelve is life changing year for us organization me as an individual when deep in a study figured out, I score five on the scale. And started figuring out that you could measure hope that increasing hope in somebody's life predicts wellbeing, and so we changed the name organization from what was then the National Family Justice Center Alliance to Alliance for Hope International, and it's not a throwaway word. It really is we measure. Hope all our programs. We started publishing research on it all over the country in and looking at how hope goes up, people do better in life. Oh, my Gosh, you hit my heart smiling. I can literally feel and I love that because I haven't people talk to me on the show about well hopes kind of that little, you know. Our word. You really can't grasp it, but you're saying I love the Yes. It's scientifically proven that. As hope goes up. It does have an impact I. Love Emily Dickinson, but hope is not just something with the feathers. Sitting on a branch hope is the belief that your future can be brighter than your passed in the you play a role in making it so by the goals you set in the pathways. You pursued those goals. That's kind of our adult definition came right out of the early. Research Dr Rick, Snyder University of Kansas in the nineteen nineties, s and early two thousands, and Gallup picked it up and started measuring hope in. In a whole variety of settings in the galaxy student poll in a lot of the Gallup national research about seven or eight years ago Janne Hellman a met a doctor Faint Lopez. Who after Rick Snyder died ashamed became kind of the University of Kansas. Hope Research, Guy a change. Chan's life and Jan now runs. The Hope Research Center at the University of Oklahoma when we started working with kids realize you know kids are. Are, the first, a human beings to be robbed, defoe kids are always robbed I from trauma violence abuse of things in their life that they have no control over, and we wanted to use the adult definition, but thankfully there was an emerging kind of children's hopes scale, so we started using the children's scale. We tried to go with pathways in agency. Motivation for goals out of find your steps. It wasn't easy to teach. Teach kids, so we created invalidated a new definition of hope for kids that hope is believing in yourself, believing in others and believing in your dreams, and you can teach that we teach it to seven year at Camp every summer, all across America, and if a child can figure out what it means to believe in themselves, what it means to believe in other people, because if you just believe in yourself, you are A. narcissist. We've got again. Just believe in yourself. You've gotTA learn how to believe in others. Cheer for other support others, and if you don't have that future orientation toward who you WanNa, be in what you WANNA. Do you're not a high hope person in life, and so the deeper we got into the more. It's been to my life so higher hope teachers do better teach kids lower hope teachers higher hope people do better at a cancer than lower hope. People hire therapists do better working with people in need, lower hope therapists, and this is a very fluid process in our lives right now with the pandemic hope tends to go like this and people's lives. One day got some. Some goals they got some pathways the next day. They realize they can't control this. They can't control that and if you don't have goals that you have some control over, you don't have hope in your life. It's not just a wish thrown into the universe. It really is about goals in pathway, so it's been really amazing to work with Dr Hellman at the university. University of Oklahoma, and now really to be asking ourselves, so yes, we in our work with survivors, adults and children. We WanNA BE TRAUMA informed. We want to understand what's happened to people. We want them to be able to contextualized. What's happened to them? As they think about their past in order to be able to move forward, but we can't just be trauma informed we. We have to be hoax center to we have to help people not just look back and process the Bendigo forward, so that's kind of our journey. It's it's both personal and professional I and I'm excited about everything. We're learning right now and what we're seeing during the pandemic figuring out at help, people find hope and a pathway forward. Yeah, this is almost just A. Well one I'm. I don't WANNA say excited. It doesn't seem like the right word, but I am excited to see where we go as a as a human race from this and how we rise. Because I really do have hope. I say a senator of these past few weeks to months of I. Just think this is an opportunity for us. to connect in two. Yes, to help one another. He'll end. Find that hope. So? It's been interesting how it's transformed kind of the way we have thirty staff at Alliance for Hope International in their divided between a variety of programs we help start these family. Justice Centers wraparound services for victims of violence and abuse centers in forty two states in twenty five countries. Then we have our camp. Hope America Program for children impacted by child, abuse and domestic violence that happens all over. The country is now moving international. And then one of our biggest programs called the training institute on Strangulation Prevention. Doesn't seem like it should go with hope. Healing right hand yet. Of domestic violence victims in the world, those most robbed of hope are those who are strangled or choked by their partner. A rage filled usually misogynistic man takes his partner around the neck, and squeezes and takes her to within seconds of death, robbing her of any ability to set a goal in the ability of any control over her life. She knows that he decides in seconds whether she lives or dies the ultimate robbery of hope, and of course out of. The highest rate of suicidal ideation domestic bounce victims strangulation assault survivors. They're having a normal response to what's happened and they don't think it's normal, but they're having a normal response to being robbed of hope in their life, and so these programs three major. Then we have a survivors program in we do a lot of work called the justice, project or people hire us. A look at what looks like a suicide turns out to the murder. A situation where somebody's been seriously violated the criminal justice system fails at intervening in holding the perpetrator accountable so in the programs. Now we've really figured out. It's all connected, so yes, victims get robbed, but the perpetrators are robbed to. It's not an excuse, but you can't find a man that abuses women i. don't think that didn't grow up in a home with violence and abuse or drugs, alcohol or Or something I think there's very few abusers of women and girls that have zero a score from childhood trauma, and again not an excuse, just an explanation, so the passion for me has become. How do we help kids with with high scores? Because we all know, the highest scores aren't a destiny. Lots of people overcome Childhood Trauma Watsa people navigate their way through with mistakes along the way me included. But. We have to figure it out and have to help kids. Figure it out, and so in the journey of all of this pandemic realized you know before Covid, nineteen domestic violence victims were already experienced pandemic of gender based violence. They were already isolated. They were already being manipulated. They'd already lost control of their lives. Then you overlay covid nineteen only gets worse in that, and you take that rage filled man, and now take away his job, and you put him at home with his partner where now all he's got his rage in the ginny and his desire to control. Somebody were something in his life. You've got a recipe for violence and abuse. which is what we're seeing now all of the country and around the world. I had noticed you wrote blog piece that was the pandemic within the pandemic and Jesse that exact thing of domestic violence within the murder, suicide rates going up. It's been an important piece to get out there to not because it's good news in any way, shape or form, but just the messaging survivors. If if you're victim of abuse, you don't have to stay in an abusive home. You don't have to stay under quarantine. You can get out. There is help available and amazingly enough. Most women were killed in American domestic violence homicide killed after they leave the relationship in normal circumstances. You say I'm done with you. I don't deserve this I wanNA. WanNa get out. She becomes more likely to die while we're seeing right now in the pandemic is, she's more likely to die where she stays. Because now she is trapped with this rage filled human being, and these murders suicides. We think they're up between seventy and one hundred percent in the last five weeks in the United States the getting this message out that you're, you can leave. There are resources out there Yes, a lot of domestic violence shelters aren't filling their beds because. It's, it's a community spread environment to go into a domestic violence shelter, but we're using hotels motels. There are safe places you can go. You can connect with somebody that believes in you. That believes that you deserve better, and you don't have to put up with that situation, but it has been kind of the perfect storm, because even though calls for domestic bounce of gone up during the pandemic arrests have not. Not Gone Up. Officers police officers don't want to take these guys to jail and when they're going to jail, they're getting. Let out really fast. Because the defense bar is all saying. Hey, we don't want our clients in jail. 'cause they might get covid nineteen, so the most rage filled men on the planet that are the most dangerous people were dealing with are going to jail than their. Get now quickly. Because of it, so we've got this complex set of dynamics where the messaging just has to be a survivors, you deserve to be treated like that and there is help available and leather agencies are operating virtually, and you can use live chat, or you can use zoom, or you can use Webex or other platforms to talk to advocates the plan for your safety. We're there for you. We have resources available to make sure that you can stay safe, so that's been kind of our focus on the services end of our. Our work and then on the staffing in with our own staff at Alliance for hope we support family just centers across. America camps across America. Community based agencies across America. We've had to make sure our staff who have a high a score. We do this work often because of what we survived. We've had to figure out how they're triggering in all of this and how to maintain hope their lives, so it's been really interesting like our typical staff meeting usually briefings on it. What everybody's doing in the last seven weeks? One staff meeting. Our whole agenda was if hope is believing in yourself, believing in others believing your dreams. Where have you seen hope this week? That was the whole agenda for the whole meeting. And people talked about their fears and anxieties, but they also talked about Lysol hope when. I saw hope in Riley a win over to Madison houses. Madison wasn't feeling well and Riley a gave her a gift, a kind gift just to make her smile I, saw hope in that, and you start sharing that and pretty soon people are seeing hope all around them. Yeah, for sure which makes you back to we loop back around for second back to the ACIS steady, and when you were talking about measuring, how is that in alignment with resilience, and that whole I know when I took my act score test and got my score I also did the resilience part of it, because everyone said tearing hundred to survive so much, and I was like I I don't know. Until I realized. How because my resilient score is I? Hope and resilience have a really interesting relationship in kind of strength based research. Hope is is important. Resiliency is important but Chan Hellman says a hope is the mindset that drives resilient behavior. Bouncing back is really important, but you can't stock with bouncing back. Resilience is this ability to bounce back from bad things. Hope is what takes you forward in life so in Europe people stable I'm really resilient. I'm good at setting goals in accomplishing. That's not just resilience. That's resilience and. So in our research, resilience drives hope and hope drives resilience, but interestingly enough. We just put out a piece about campus last summer where hope was more significant than resilience. It if you. If you keep bouncing back from bad things, you never go anywhere, and you keep that kind of baseline in. You may be losing your baseline each time you bounced back because of the impact of trauma, so resilience is important. It's a little fuzzy. Everybody's calling everything resilience now. Unity's resilient people resilient organizations. I get it I mean interestingly enough. Though cobras easier to teach, it's easier for kids to understand. It's easier for adults understand, and it's easier for us to really drill it down to okay. Some really bad stuff has happen to you and I'm so sorry you didn't deserve any of that. You've been an amazing human being in bouncing back and surviving this now. Where do you WanNa? Go, who do you want? and. You can start with well I wanNA be a doctor. In ten years. You start with will today. I'm going to be kind to my kids for the next hour. That's my big goal today. Only kind in affirming things to my kids 'cause they're scared to. They've been traumatized and we can take hope down to the smallest. Little goal focused hoped breeds hope. Hope begets hope and that's any good case manager. Any good therapist always starts with everybody with the tiniest little goals. And we can now measure it. We hope on our staff at a lance for hope, so the adult hopes scale is eight statements. You rate yourself on on what's called the Lakers scale and you rate yourself on those statements and you come up with a score between eight and sixty four. That is your global disposition will hope score in your life, and you may have domains of hope to so you may have a high score, a romance, domain, or in a relationship domain, but a low hope score in nutrition domain. Domain or a fitness domain, so there's kind of different domains of hope in people's lives, too, and then we do the same thing with we measure global positioning. Hope will use Rick Snyder's original scale, somewhat modified six items that kids rate themselves on, and we have seven year olds, measuring their hopes score, and Gallup has now said that if you can increase, the child's folks score by two points and sustain it. It's a letter grade in school. It's the difference between a C. Student a B. Student I if you've been. been raised their hopes score four points and sustain it. It takes a cease student to a student without any reference to their I Q, and that's a pretty amazing thing, so we got to be about hope. We gotta be about how to increase open lives, and at the end of the day that has to be about people's ability to set their own goals about who they wanna be in what they WanNa do, and then how they can get to those goals from the small ones always to the big ones right i. I think he just raised my hope. Score a few notches, because serious great and I want to take assessment, because I want to see what my old scores is, it now is that something that's accessible to people or they had to be working. What are your programs? No, it's you can find it. You can Google Hope Score A. we have a website that we're building. It's only partially functional right now. We're an adult can take their hope score at hopes for dot, com or hopes for dot org. It's free. Obviously were writing a lot about it. Rick Snyder in research had a couple of different kinds of scales I in our new book. Hope rising how the signs of hope can change your life. We took it down to those eight items. Then we often add filler questions so when I administered to our staff, because our entire staff takes their hopes score. We started doing it every year now. Now, we're doing it every other year and the goal is for them to figure out with their own hopes for his. They don't have to share a, but they can know whether hope is going up or down in their life. We just had the first community in America Thurston County Washington say we're going to measure. Hope the entire population and we're GONNA challenge agencies to measure hope because. Because if you work in agency where your hope scored goes down over time either the agencies really unhealthy, or you're in really unhealthy place because the work that you do shouldn't be robbing you hope in life, but it does you know first responders right now i. just did a Webinar for nurses on Covid, nineteen, and most of my Webinar was not about P.. P. It was not about. About procedures in hospitals, it was about how to maintain hope in their lives is they're getting robbed every day watching people die face timing with people with their family members, as they take their last breath, unbelievable trauma, both direct and vicarious that they're navigating, and so our goal has to be maintaining hope in their lives maintaining hope in our own lives, even though we're trying to help others. Yeah for sure. We just had death in our family in the last few days and the story that came out of it was the hospice nurse in how she lifted the family with these stories because she worked after my father-in-law had passed. That she would be doing things with him in the family was around, but She would tell stories that were just bring them lift them all up. And it had really profound effect on the entire family, and I thought what a beautiful gift she's giving. To two other, so I'm assuming she would probably have a high host, or and then she was able shoe. She probably would the book that inspired number years ago is a by a doctor in German group. Minis, a cancer doctor at Harvard. He wrote a New York. Times bestseller called the anatomy of hope in two thousand, three great little book. He didn't know you could measure hope though he didn't know Shane Lopez. Lopez Rick, Snyder Chan, helmet, or anybody else. He just basically said I see there something in some people that do better at a cancer, and even when they don't make it even when they die, they just die with more peace in their life that they had been able to do what they want to do with their life set goals accomplished. Things doesn't mean they didn't make mistakes, but they were able to. To navigate from those forward in life and I took that book when we first started doing the lit review for our book hope rising, and and then I started looking at all the studies and realized I've been missing this for years. We have two thousand studies for the lit review for hope rising how the Science Vo Can Change Your Life, and of course what you find is higher. Hope people have more pro. Pro Social behaviors higher hope people navigate better from events in abused higher hope, people a do better in almost every domain lower hope, people and lower people tend to struggle with negative conduct. They tend to be negative goalers. So if I'm struggling with my own childhood trauma in I ended up. You know abusing my wife and drinking too much. My goal would sound something like I'm not going to drink this weekend. That's a negative goal. That's an avoidance goal and low hope. People make goals like not high hope. People hire. People would say you know this weekend. I'M GONNA. Do something really fun out in nature I'm GonNa go take a hike GONNA. Go read a book with my kids. They would set positive goals because hire people said positive goals in their life lower, who people said negative goals in their life, and you can quickly see why the criminal justice system which is a negative goaling operation. Don't do that again. Doing that or a campaign like even even the good campaigns like no more sexual assault or domestic bounce in America, it's a negative goal, no more violence and abuse. how about we treat each other with honor, dignity and respect inequality, that's a positive goal, so a negative goal doesn't usually accomplish very much opposed that negative, golden negative people who have already been robbed of hope at some point in their life, and they need to be able to focus on positive goals, so it's been a really fascinating journey to go through all this. I just worked with that a forty year teacher retired teacher in San Diego to write a children's book. A called midnight moon bright that is the science of hope for kids. And the whole goal of the book is to have kids start answering the question. Where did you see hope today? In your life like that can be the question night kids go to bed. Parents can say now I. Really Want you to have hope in your life. Hope is believing in yourself believing others believing in your dreams. Where did you see today in your life? Did you see somebody? Did you see yourself? Believe believing in what? What you were doing or who you were she somebody else. Did you have a dream today or just think about any any goals you have in your life? A that dynamic can be taught to kids, even in that simple kind of away, and so the research that we've got in hope. Rising is really fascinating. I just trained sixteen hundred teachers in Oklahoma not too long ago. Their average a score was almost four among teachers home. So the teachers are teaching kids with high scores. The teachers have their own as scores. They're struggling with their own struggles and trauma in life, and I had to tell the teachers. You gotTA keep rebuilding. Hope in your life every day you gotta fill your gas tank is as Rene Brown has said in another context. You cannot be of what you do not have so you can't exactly be a hope giver if you don't have any in your own life. Yeah. Well. You took the word out of my mouth when you said fascinating because it is I. Mean Wow. Yeah, All right so any midst backs that you want to clarify for people in regards to obviously clarified a lot regarding hope, but maybe domestic violence yeah. Just a couple of things probably are important. I think one of the great mistakes that people throughout the culture make in dealing with bounce abuses to make it about us and them. Those. People I began my career on thinking. It wasn't about my family or me. I mean I had white male privilege. I had lots of Kinda attornal. approaches that I brought as a prosecutor I had gone to Stanford University in Ucla School Law I thought. You know I've earned the right now to be this lawyer. In the criminal justice system and I'm going to help those people or those families, and so many of us have that you know I just got it this week. Well, why don't they just leave in a conversation? What what if this is such a problem? During the pandemic wire women staying? It's like well westerly start those women or they. You're doing exactly what I'm talking about and I. Just have to say you know what it's about us. It's not about them. Have you ever stayed in a job? That was unhealthy. Have you ever stayed in relate? Did you ever stand? Relationship was unhealthy I did. Did you ever enger end up in a situation where you could have left, but it just wasn't too complicated to leave, so you stayed and you could navigate her. You thought love could conquer all you could figure it out, and somehow you were a different person. Everything workout. Okay, and you start having that conversation you realize all connected, and even when we talk about strangled women, you know people say what happens, are there? Women will get strangled Strangled by fear anxiety. We get strangled their lives by all kinds of things. Lots of people endure really bad circumstances and don't realize what it's doing to them. Don't realize that they need to get away from that situation. We all have these analogies in our lives to the things I think for me. That's been the biggest learning in the last thirty five years of my life, so it wasn't just yes I. GotTa make sure that I. Don't repeat the cycle that my father. Did with me. I mean I. my father used physical discipline in a way that I later sent people to jail in prison for as a prosecutor I couldn't spank my kids. I had to make a decision that I was never gonNa lay finger, and my children wasn't done in love. It was too scary to even think about it, so yes, we have to make decisions on our own lives to break that cycle. But I don't look now in the work I. Do with a kids exposed I. Don't look at look at them. Those kids. They're metoo. I had some benefits in my life I didn't end up in prison or jail for some of the things that I did early on. Mistakes I made but I also have to realize that even as I'm doing the work. I too can be robbed of hope, and I can have a be sucked right out of me to the point where I become cynical or sarcastic or bidder on the things that I'm doing. I'm watching the rage now this pandemic people raging liberty freedom, and I'm not wearing a mask and all of that that rage. Is the loss of hope. Because in our research on hope, we, we created a continuum called the hope continuum hope. Rage despair apathy. So hope is you have goals and you have pathways to get your goals rages. You have goals you don't. You can't get to your goals. Your blocked in some way from your goals. That's exactly what's happening now. These people that are raging. It's not I hope activity. They're not really about liberty or freedom, or they're actually raging, because they want this to be over, and they want to be done, and it's not done and so rage, anger and frustration or natural human emotions when you can't get to hope. And then when you start to give up descend as you know in all of your work, and what you've written I've been reading your newsletter about despair, and how people start to despair, you still kind of have goals, but you're losing your motivation to even pursue them in life. What how can this ever change? How do I ever get out? And then when you get the opposite of hope, you get to apathy when people say nothing's ever GonNa, change. I can't do anything about it. I can't make any difference. He's never going to change or the situations never gonNa Change. I can't do anything that's that's hopelessness. That's apathy. Inability to set a goal or even think about the steps to pursue a goal and so for me now I look at that through the Lens of everything I do whether it's the pandemic whether it's challenges, relationship whether it's worked with my kids or grandkids like so where are they in this journey of hope, rage, despair and apathy, and I thought when I met Chan, and we did our live review for the book I thought sure okay, so if you get to apathy, then you. You gotta get back to despair. And then you gotta get to anger, and then you get to hope, and of course Chan said no, we're GONNA. Create another continue, and that's GONNA. Be The pathway, hope and sure enough that pathway looks really different. That pathway became set a goal that you can control the smallest goals if necessary figure out how to identify the steps toward that goal, and then his favorite piece of it, which changed. My Life was start creating future memories of success. Agitating it's maslow's hierarchy Iranians. Flows of self actualization. Start imagining what it would be like to to be that person or to achieve or accomplish that and if we can create what what's it gonNa feel when I can do that. A one of our staff meetings recently was where you're going to go on vacation. The pandemics over and why? That was the whole staff meetings. And people were imagining being in Hawaii or being in the Caribbean and Lo and behold hope went up in their life, because they were imagining this future memory of success, and that's how you nurture. Hope back into somebody's life whether it's a survivor of domestic violence whether it's somebody who's lost their job, or whether it's somebody who's at a stay at in a stay at home situation right now. Wondering if this is ever going to end. You gotta be able to imagine if it's going to ever happen, so that's been probably the biggest lesson of all of this for me is to realize that it's about us. All of this is about us, not about them. And all of us have the same. Opportunities to apply the signs of hope to our lives. Handful so have you been talking? Actual people get a hold of it. Is it on Amazon Amazon? You can go to alliance for DOT COM and to our stores well, our children's Book Moon Bright is in our store alliance for Hope Dot Com. As well, and we are just we just create some new t shirts to that are kind of fund raising little money I survivor programs called. Hope Hashtag not cancel. They were they were inspired by a camp boy in Bridgeport, Connecticut is named Ethan and Ethan was He started, can't pope in his freshman year of high school at the family. Justice Center there in Bridgeport Connecticut and navigate all the way through high school at domestic violence, family, history and abuse with his dad and here he is a senior year of high school this year, the pandemic hits he's the class of trump. No Prom no graduation, no school, even going on nothing and Ethan sends an email to the coordinator of camp hope in Bridgeport Sasha. Collins says I WANNA get the addresses of all the camp. Hope families because I'M GONNA go to the food. Pantries and collect food delivered to the camp. Hope families, and so he does, and he goes to six different food banks. He gets the food. He collects it, and then he goes into livers it to the families, and then he sent a beautiful little picture to the Director of the Family Justice Center. That debt greenwood any said DEB. Everything else has been canceled but hopes not canceled. They can't cancel. Hope dead so I'm taking food to everybody because I. Want them to get the message. Hope is not canceled and he's seventeen years old and he if he's struggled with more issues than anybody could have imagined growing up in a family of Johnson abuse at seventeen once he dylan, he's hope. Giver to other families in the middle of a pandemic isn't any money. He doesn't have any ability to donate big amounts. All he can do is go to food pantries. Get Food and then take it to the families, so we made a t shirt to honor Ethan. And it was pretty cool last Friday. I found out that Ethan who's the senior in high school now for years into Campo. He just got a full ride to a four year college in bridgeport. Connecticut it's there is a God. There is justice in the act. Of that is what it's all about. That's beautiful. You know we have a I have a therapy dog. Sammy is actually see her little head right here. He's lying on the floor Bundles of hope is our project, and so we fill it with books and things for kids and we dropped them off to. Safe houses or shelters were children are in their filled with stress, triggered the stress balls in Plato and bubbles and so I'm going to have to get some of these teachers visit. I love it or or your book because. I just think that's beautiful. And if there are survivors listening to this podcast trading a no, they do if you don't have any money. If you're in a bad place, and you can't even afford to buy a book online on kindle or on Amazon. I just emailed me Casey at Alliance for Hope Dot Com. I will send you an electron copy of the book for Free It doesn't have the pictures senator the links, but I will just send you the book We just donated to a bunch of survivors that are doing. Doing a book group in jail and Tulsa Oklahoma. They're in custody and they said we'd only money and I just I gave him some copies I gave them electronic copies by email a so more than happy to make sure that you get something in your hands where you can figure out a had a rebuilt. Hope in your life, because we all need it, and we're all struggling with it right now. With the growth with violence and abuse or not It's a battle for hope in all of our lives right now. That's beautiful. Thank you for that Gift Beautiful, so, is there anything else that you wanted to address? What the AUDIENCE BEFORE WE FINISH UP! If, you'll allow me, let me just close. The little piece of hope Resin. When we feel trapped in the pain of today. Hope reminds us that we will not be there forever. When we feel stuck in looking back, hope calls us to look forward. When we've given everything to others, hope helps replenish our heart and mind in body and soul. When we are demoralized, hope can point US toward friends who can help lift our spirits. When we lose our way, hope can give us back roadmap for our lives. When we fear the worst hope reminds us that God is still in control. When we are hurting from the actions of others, hope is a pathway to resilience. When we must accept the consequences of our own mistakes. Hope can lift us out of the shame. When our heart is broken, hope offers us the courage to look forward to healing. When the diagnosis is grim, hope calls us to the battle for survival. When we feel bound in the darkness of despair reminds us. That, we can trust in the future ahead of us. When a dream does not come true hope can light the fire to dream again. When we must say goodbye to those we love. Hope reminds us that the best is yet to come. And I guess that's my hitch for today, Terry. have. The ability to hear my voice and have the ability to process what they're hearing. Hope is still there. And no matter what the back back story, no matter what the pain. hope transformed pain into purpose and. I know that's the calling of your career in your life, and that's why I was so captivated by you when I first started learning about you. And honored to stand with you in this journey to try to hope givers. Gosh well thank you as obviously. You can tell by me wiping my eyes while that was beautiful. I'm still still streaming tears. Thank you. Yeah! Thank you for sharing shining this beautiful light of hope as I call it often Yeah, and I I need to go order to book. Right away and I just I just feel honored Gabby here with me, so thank. Thank you the book is the most intimate personal thing I've ever written. We've been involved either with another author or personally in writing ten books over the last eleven years, but this one was the most intimate and personal because I told my poll. Childhood Trauma Story I'd never told it before. Including being sexually abused, loud in years old by a total stranger. Chan home and told his story and he's a tenured professor at the University of Oklahoma Chan Scores in eight on the scale. And we finally just had to tell the truth to say if you're really gonNA find pathways to hope in your life. It's okay to get out from under the shame and just tell the truth, because there are lots of us out there that come alongside and say. Me To end up. I think we've found. This book has been more encouragement to people than anything we've ever done because it really takes it from. Yes, childhood from his real. Often predicts things struggles in our life, but we can overcome those things whether it's child, abuse, sexual, assault, domestic, violence or pandemic. We can overcome at all. And there is a pathway forward, so thank you. Thanks for letting me share with you things on you and all your work. Thank you so very much. I'm writing a book and writing it forever, and it is that story of hope is how I. Call it because Oh my Gosh I. Love. I just love the idea that you're yes putting the truth out there. But it doesn't talk with that. It's the story from trauma to triumph. Beautiful all right, we'll everyone thank you for joining us today in place by cast. Remember until next time you gentlemen yourself. All right. Thank you so much for listening today? To the healing place podcasts which your host Trauma Warrior Terry Walbrook. If you enjoyed this episode. Want to learn more about Terry her mission and hope for healing journey. Visit Tears website at www dot. Terry WELL BROCK DOT COM. Thank you for liking commenting sharing and offering reviews on her youtube channel. Audio outlets and facebook page. And as Terry, reminds us until next time. Remember be gentle with yourself.

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Episode 032 - Telling an Authentic Story

Confessions of a Marketer

17:46 min | 1 year ago

Episode 032 - Telling an Authentic Story

"Uh-huh. On this episode of confessions of a marketer, we're telling authentic stories. MAC, confessions of a marketer. I'm Margaret Edwards. We have Matt Salah array creative director at b. r. c. imagination arts here to talk about telling an authentic story. We'll get to that chat shortly in the weeks ahead. Peter Horst will be on to discuss marketing in the age of fake news. Next week, Duncan chapel will be back here to discuss PR agencies and how they can boost analyst relations, lots more in store. So do stay to onto Matt psolaren all about authenticity. As days he started the season with Beth Comstock and her honest stories about her life and career. We talked about amphitheater with Scott Monty last week and be hit on it a lot in the early episodes of confessions marketer. So we're continuing that theme today. Matt is creative director at b. r. c. imagination arts of leading. Experience design and production agency. Matt's worked with some great brands until some stories about creating thank experiences for Jamieson and NASA. Let's get to it. Laurie. It's great to have you on the podcast. Welcome to confessions marketer. Thank you for having me. So there's an old saying that goes, authenticity is the thing. Once you've got that faked here hall said, what is the secret to telling authentic stories? As a good question, I I'm gonna let me start off by by giving you a little idea of like who we are, what we do and why off into cities is important to the work that we do sure in telling stories. So I work with the imagination arts in. We're an experienced design agency, and we create emotionally transformative experiences, the connect people to brands or culture, institutions, or stories. And with the organizations and brands that we work with. What we find is that audiences are really craving, authentic experiences that they want to be a part of a narrative that. That connects with their own deep values and stories as well. And that's why I think that authenticity is so important. One of the things that we have pioneered over the past several years. This idea of like a like working with brands, it's idea of brand home and what sets a brand home apart from, say, a flagship store, things like that is it's commitment, authenticity. A brand home is sort of the the spiritual home of the brand or the story. For example, like we, we did some work with Jameson for their distillery in both street in in Dublin, and they could do any kind of experience that they want anywhere in the world. But this is the authentic place where the Jameson story began its hollowed ground. This is them inviting people into their home to experience their story. To learn about the story of John Jameson and how he built his place in really from the ground up and bringing these stories out in authentic way that connect with the audience coming through the door. So a client comes to you, looking to get their story told, how do you would vise them to get started? Where should they look? Where should they start to get this going? That's yeah. I think where where we begin with I is you wanna bring a bunch of people around the table an across cross disciplinary team, not just your marketing departments or your executive 's, but really you wanna look at the at the experience. You wanna create from a wide variety of perspectives. You know, a lot of times brands in corporations have in house historian. In curator's who keep the history of the organization. You want them at the table. You potentially want to have people, especially if this is going to be a destination attraction. You'll wanna have people from the local tourism community there or people that are offering attractions to their guests when they come to town. So you wanna bring his many voices possible around the table. And then you begin with really setting your foundation. You have to figure out why you're doing this in the first place. This isn't like going into a store and picking a widget off the shelf. When you create a brand experience, these sort of brand homes, you're crafting these things as unique. This spoke story driven experiences, so you wanna figure out why you're doing it. What you know, what does it Yogi bear that says, if you don't know what you're going, you're liable to end up someplace else. So. So you figure out as a group, you know, what are your KPI. From a business perspective that you want to achieve. Does this thing need to make money? You also want to figure out predominantly, what is the effect that you want to have on your audience? What is the change you wanna bring about in your audience is at fostering a deeper, emotional connection with the brand itself in an authentic way? Right. Not just I like to buy this product, but they really deeply identify with the story in heritage of the brand, and it reflects their values as well. Once you figuring those things out really sets the foundation for the entire project to become the foundation that you build everything on and the the northstar that if you start to lose your way, as you go through this process, you always go back to those foundational ideas and your objectives and bring you back to renew to go. Do you find that there's a disconnect often between the reality of the story and the aspirated. Or what they think they are? Oh, yes, absolutely. Some brands are better than others and we go at each situation completely agnostic. You know, we, we try to listen and in here they have to say. But oftentimes what you get is they have a lot of things they want to say and what they really need to be engaging in a two way conversation with their guests. The way of saying that a need to tell on your part does not equal in need to here on my part. So you got to, you know. So yes, you gotta. You gotta really be humble when you're going into this because it's really the end of the day about your guest. This is a hospitality experience. You're welcoming them into this authentic home that you've creating. So you really want to think about what's an interest to them, where are they at when they come through the door, start there and build up from there and talk about the things that resonate with your. Our guest and the rest will follow because the ideas to light a fire not to fill a bucket. Right? And so that's where the distance question comes in. So. Leads to my next question. Conveniently was water the mistakes that companies make when they're telling stories in kind of an attempt to sound authentic, do they come off as inauthentic? Yeah, I think in there also in this potential pitfalls lies the opportunity and one of the things that has briefly touched on this idea of two way conversations you really instead of being this one way flow of information and facts, aren't we cool? It really needs to be to a needs to be participatory with your guests with your audience. Again, working with the Jameson distillery here, it's an opportunity to create a place for friends and family and strangers to come together in experienced something together, and there's also authenticity in that as well about bringing people together on in creating memories that last and in that process, you're also creating. A deeper, emotional connection with your brand with your story. What am I things that I, I love the most is when people walk out of one of the experiences that recreating and they'll say, like, here's an example. We also this for museums, the ABRAHAM LINCOLN presidential libraries is one that we work pioneered this idea, experiential museums, and people walk out of that saying, I didn't know that I was a fan of Lincoln before I walked into this museum, but walking out now, I know that I have and you can say the same thing about a brand. You know, I was the casual drinker Jameson before I win it, but I walked out. I really felt like I felt like we had a connection and you wanna keep that connection alive. Yeah, and it's all it's all about telling the story that people can can relate to and can get involved in themselves. Yeah, exactly. And I think you know, we see this more and more today to it really is the culmination. Or the fruition of the experience economy. You know, people today would much rather spend money on experiences, things that maybe not even trivial that really connect them to themselves to the brand to their friends of their family, remind us of our our better nature. Right. And these kinds of these kinds of experiences that remind guests of, you know the in the story of of Jameson. I mean, it's an underdog story. You know what he did, and that resonates with a lot of people who are trying to find their way and having idea that they're trying to get off the ground. And that's, that's there's power in almost every brand has a story like that. And if you can bring that out and connected with your guests and say, hey, look, we started just like you. We had ideas. Well, look where we are today. We want to share this with you and there's power in that when you're telling the story whether you're doing on a phone call or you're doing it in. An exhibit at, you know, something like the Jameson story you were talking about, does it all come down to having empathy for the guest or the person who's doing the experiencing in a way I would. I would actually refine that and say, you know, you've heard me talk repeatedly about this idea of connection, and I would say it really comes down to even more so than empathy is about connecting it connecting. Don't tell me what is new. Tell me what is never old. Right? And that that that saying, as well is consistent here, what are universal feelings, dreams and goals that we all have. And if you can connect those guests to guest guest brand guests to museum, and that's the way to do it. You know, one of my favorite stories is when you do these experiences, it's sometimes hard to gauge the emotional follow on results of what you do but years ago, and we've done a lot of work with NASA over the years and they came to us and they said, look, we're having a hard time with our work. Force. Our workforce is aging and we're losing people of interest in space exploration. You know, back in the day when we first put man on the moon, the average age of an employee was twenty seven years old and not too long ago. It was about fifty related problems like how we can motion engage people with our mission and and and the business that we have here. So we helped him create experiences to really get people excited about the future space exploration and on one of them, I really wanted to find out what young people today were really interested. And there was this this presentation of gotten wind of, and it was these young NASA scientists and engineers that were really causing a raucous because they were calling the NASA guard to the mat for saying, hey, look, you're Norring us that you're not taking advantage of our passion here. So we brought them to our students. Tell us your story. Tell us what you're experienced is, and I said, what got you interested in NASA? And pretty much all the guys the same story. Oh, I love Star Wars. I love Star Trek. And this one young woman said when I was a little girl, I w-. Went to space center Houston. So she walks in with her mom, and she says, I'm coming back here to work one day and I just looked at her. I said, you're kidding says, no, you know that that's our experience. We built that into it. We were both floored that here was actually somebody whose life was changed by an experience that she had that we helped craft on the part of NASA. And that's a direct example of the power of emotional storytelling. Yeah, I think what underscores for me and hopefully for the listeners who may be, you know, in a b. to b. business or Beata see business, what whatever it is that it's about the experience that the consumer has with your brand, and it's a visceral experience. It is. It's about people it on. You never want to forget that the heart of all about people. And when you create these experiences the way that you want to engage them as you, you wanna create a sense of magic, you know, you want us apprise and delight them. You want to engage all their senses. You wanna give an exceptional hospitality because really today you're saying, this is for you, you know, and it works like a charm. You know, when that was create an exceptional experience versus one that is, you know, like we were talking about on this more one sided. The brand wants to tell you something, but really, you know, creates. Begins with people said, are stories, hospitals, sense of magic and delight. Wonder an emotional engagement. You talked about NASA Jameson other stories, case studies have clients worked with them become more authentic. Yeah, you, we have lots of, you know, there's there's two really interesting examples. One of them has to do with a museum in one is with the brand and and I, I almost don't put a distinction between the two because in today's day and age museums need to function like entrepreneurs in light brands as well. They have a story to tell they need to. They need to blast through all the clutter out there. One of them is my favorite is we've been hired by the Barna museum in Bridgeport, Connecticut. Now, p.t Barnum is a, you know, a misunderstood icon of America. He invented the idea of modern marketing and PR sure the invented modern entertainment. He invented the modern museum and he was a community benef-. Factor and and father believed in giving back. And before he died, he had designed his last building which is where the museum exist in Bridgeport. They were hit by a tornado and hurricanes. They kind of got knocked out of business. So director said, let's take advantage of the opportunity like Barnum would to turn a disaster into an opportunity here. So really it's an opportunity to to tell the story of an American icon and we're revisiting this with them right now to turn what was a traditional Newseum into an experience. I mean, all we have to do is ask, what would Barnum do that kind of gives us all the fuel that we need to bring entertainment and hospitality to this and a second will be with forward. We do a lot of work with a Ford as well, and they wanted to do it experience rather new f one fifty truck, right? So we created this experience at the Ford Rouge factory in Dearborn. Michigan that combines up begins with this idea of of they go out asking there. Customers what they want, what are some of the innovations they love to see? And then we get to see that all being laid into this really dynamic the experience that basically says, yeah, we listen to you. This is for you than outcomes. It's really a magical experience and the new f one fifty truck and it's, it's a, it's a wonderful experience this to right there that I just love. That's wonderful. Matthew, this has been a great discussion and it's really kind of I opening about how experiences can be transformed by authenticity by telling your real story and every brand has a story to tell you just gotta find it won't thanks very much for being on confessions remark. It was really fun Chad, I appreciate it. My pleasure. Thanks for having next for being here. It's about to see really, isn't it. Next week, don't ca chapel is back with us to talk about PR agencies can boost panelist relations and two weeks. Peter horse will be into talk about marketing in the Dake news era. Both of these episodes are in the camp and they're really fascinated discussions. I hope you can stay tune for that and more right here on confessions of this episode of confessions market was written produced and edited by yours truly t Jordan of A-Class productions wrote the theme music. Confessions of a marketer is a trademark of read Edwards globally, and this episode is copyright eighteen. I'm Mark. See.

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BOX189: Kind Of Weird And Pokey

The Box Of Oddities

40:02 min | 7 months ago

BOX189: Kind Of Weird And Pokey

"What follows may not be suitable for all audiences listener discretion is advised Is Full of stories. Stories of mysteries of curiosities Jew in an Gen through Gilligan for the strange the boozers the unexpected as the mid and wash asleep appear inside the box oddities. We love hearing from you freaks and Germany ways to do that you can email us at curator at the box vitalize five hundred dot com whether you hear back from us or not please. No we do read your emails and your facebook messages and your instagram stuff. I don't always see the stories because I don't get notifications and I haven't figured out that process yet. It's that's not the point. The point is we got an email from Marianne and I loved did basically all right so they wrote. I'm a little behind on your podcast. So I just listened to episode one. Oh four where cat talks about the reincarnated Marcham pilot pilot. It said to be in the Indigo Child. This made me think of something that happened back in two thousand sixteen. I was just about to exit grocery store together with a friend of mine when and this to me completely unknown woman stops me in my tracks and tells me she can clearly see that I am an indigo child. I can't remember exactly what she said after for that but it was something about how she could sense that. I'm very creative. And an unusual person and that apparently makes me an indigo child. At this time I had never even heard of indigo children so I had to go straight home and Google what she was talking about. I'm still not entirely sure how she came to this conclusion but it was definitely an interesting encounter. Funny thing about this story too. Is that my friend. Get incredibly jealous muttering on about how she too was very special in many strange ways. I want to be an indigo child. That's that's hilarious. I know exactly how she feels. Because if that if we were both out in somebody came to you and said that I would feel just right disappointed make me. I want to be the reincarnation of a Martian pilot please I actually did have. Somebody stopped me one time and it was in in the grocery store like like this was years and years ago. They came up to me and they said they were a They were psychic. And that they could tell because of I guess my vibration or aura or something that I was the reincarnated spirit of an unseen. Oh and the scenes were responsible for collecting storing and hiding the Dead Sea scrolls which I found fascinating then immediately I went on on this terrible reading about the Dead Sea Scrolls for my name right and I never found it. No No. That's because I had a psychic. Come up to me once and tell me that I was. What's the word that they use a sensitive and it was nothing about that sea scrolls or cool like an integral child but I just came up to me and was like I can sense that you're a sensitive and I was like okay. How old were you then? Lake probably fifteen or or sixteen at the time. I was pretty weirded out by it at that age. You really don't want strangers approaching you and talking about your spiritual Wilma gene now. I was like okay well by then you put on your gels titled Away and my Wide Wail cords awards. Good look for you by the way I've seen the pictures. All right I go I here we go. This is a story of a guy named tree. They Bosia Asia trygve boh-sia he lived in Boulder Colorado in the late late eighty S. Nine thousand nine hundred nineteen eighties. Hey you've got to be specific. I I know you're right. trig was kind of well. It was a local character. Every town has one or several in our case he was known for for a lot of strange things he started like the first polar bear club. which really yeah? How would have to drill holes in the ice because it was in Colorado Colorado and it was so thick and then they would jump into what we do that here in in Maine as well terrible so he was kind of well known for that Then he was arrested rested taking his mother his mother whose name is odd a Ud road. I'm not sure exactly how to pronounce that. He was taking her to the airport for a trip back to Norway because that's where they were from and he was arrested because he was joking about hijacking the plane not that cool on and then he became a fugitive from the law because he was trespassing on the property of the president of a local university and and they said stop stop and he didn't in. He was on the Lam for a while but he always took the time to call local media and update them. Oh well that's handy and asked them to put his story in the newspaper. Oh a very conscious of that. That's my least favorite kind of criminal. The the desperate for attention criminal in Nineteen ninety-four trygve was deported back to Norway leaving his mother in Colorado. Oh now she was concerned earned that she was going to be deported next. And so she took a page from Trig Vase Book of calling the local media and she told Barbara Lawler of the mountain ear a newspaper quote. I'm very very concerned about about being deported. Because I'm concerned the bodies will melt. My father's body is in shed behind the house now now so that was a pretty weird concern. You know you're worried about being deported. Sure I understand that. That's that's the world we live in but not many people you can say. They're concerned about being deported. Because Dad's GonNa thaw out in the tool shed right. Yeah Yeah I mean. It's a valid concern but an unusual unusual one share. According to an article that was written by Gayle Rubin on the Good Goodbye website owed spotters name was Brady Mostra role. He was born in some town. I have no idea how to pronounce in Western Norway. Koran was born on February Twenty Eighth Nineteen Hundred Zero married married his wife Anna in the late Nineteen Twenty S. The couple had two children. He worked as the head of parks and recreation until his retirement in nineteen sixty seven nine nope style. He was very fond of painting. He loved to fish. He loves to hike and he loved to ski and he died in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine at the age of eighty nine years old in a skiing accident. Oh Wow was was eighty nine and he was skiing alone in Norway and he had an accident and he was lost for a while by the time they discovered him he was already pretty much frozen solid solid as a brick guy was eighty nine and he was back country skiing alone. That's amazing well done. Those are goals so his grandson. It's on treat Vais Bosia who was living in Boulder Colorado at this time and a lot of his eccentricities. One of the stranger ones or not straight one of the more interesting ones was he was a big supporter of the idea of chronic reanimation in life extension techniques. Okay trygve thought well. Since you you know gramps was already frozen. He would just continue that process so in nineteen ninety. Trygve had papa preserved on dry ice for the trip from the US and stored in liquid nitrogen at the Trans Time cryonics facility in San Leandro California from one thousand nine hundred nineteen ninety-three and then GRANDPA was was moved to Nederland a few years later which is right next to Boulder Colorado Okay and for those of you who are not familiar. With crown suspension. It requires requires a body to be frozen mmediately after death to ward off physical decay and then maintained in a frozen condition until the time when medical science may be able to restored to life suspend. These are typically kept cool big with liquid nitrogen but nitrogen but due to budget constraints. GRANDPA Rato was kept on ice. So how did boom pie end up. Making his way from the cryogenics place to a tool shed well they throw him in the back of a u-haul surrounded by dry ice and they drove him out there in ninety three when he brought bump back he he began constructing a fireproof. earthquake-proof wind proof bomb proof concrete castle in Nederland Colorado. I'm like anything anybody ever ever seen. He was his plan was to tunnel into the hillside next to his home and build cryonic chamber pods. Wow Plan on. Starting his own business in in boom PA was going to be the first he was going to call his business. The Colorado Life Extension Center. You know some people's grandkids start. Lemonade at eight stands. I guess we all dream of working at home. I was expecting something more along the lines of like papa freeze POPs so for about six months mother and son lived relatively in anonymity until trygve claimed he was going to break the world record for ice bathing so we invited all the newspapers. They all came out and he immersed himself in a fifteen hundred gallon. Tank of ice is water. In February of Nineteen Ninety Four K.. was under the freezing water for one hour. Four minutes he actually did break the world record and of course that brought all kinds of media attention and TRIG vase local visa had run out at this time and so trade day. Hey Yeah you got to think these things through I n Esau on TV and said wait a minute and so they issued a deportation warrant for him. Declaring himself a fugitive from justice he managed to evade authorities for a little while of course calling the media all all the while but he was apprehended in ninety four and he was sent back to Norway leaving his mother behind to finish the house and to keep her eye on pop popsicle so anyway back actress mother odd or owed. I think I'd telling the newspaper reporter that she had a frozen dead guy in her yard. Panic according to to wikipedia ensued. The Marshal's office called Clay Evans a reporter with the Boulder Daily Camera To ask him if he knew anything anything about frozen guy in somebody's tool shed. He said I don't know but I'll be there with a photographer in thirty minutes. So they rushed out and unverified the fact that GRANDPA was in the tool shed when he got there he found not one but two bodies in the shed. So I'm sorry Opie Opie and who the other body belonged to a guy named Al was al any relation L Campbell. nope treat vase first is paying customer from Chicago just making his way in the world today it does take everything. You've got a lot of dry ice. But but once he was discovered our shipped back to Chicago and his family gave him a Ariel they shipped him back in a metal box. Surrounded by dry. Ice On was eventually convicted from her home for living in a house with no electricity or plumbing in violation of local ordinances. She told a newspaper reporter because of course she you did about her father's body and of the other individual and that's when the local city government got involved and the city said you have to get out and she said I can't because no one's going to watch over dad who's going to freshen up his ice and so according to an article in the February worry seventh nineteen ninety-five Denver Post op was found guilty by a jury of building use zoning violations Nederland town judge ordered her to remove the frozen guy from the shed by March sixth or face ten days in jail and a six hundred dollar fine so then I mean what's going to happen to gone gone. That is a great question. This story caused quite addison station. Even more than when her son set the world record for ice bathing so the city added abroad new provision to section seven thirty four of its municipal code keeping bodies outlying the keeping of quote the whole whole or any part of a person body or carcass of a human being or animal or any other biological species which is not alive upon any property however because of the publicity that had happened they did make an exception for GRANDPA. Brito that's where the term grandfather clause comes from. No it's not. I made that up. Wouldn't it be cool. Cool Cool Three Bay secured the services as of Delta tackle local environmental company to keep the cryonic facility running a guy named Bo. Shaffer who is this he e O of Delta Tech is known known locally as the ice man. He's the caretaker responsible for transporting the dry ice necessary for cryopreservation to the IC Institute Institute something he has done since nineteen ninety-five because GRANDPA almost thought out a couple of times over the years but the family continues to send money to to keep the dry ice replenished seven hundred fifty pounds of dry ice is replenished every three weeks some of the locals report that they see ghostly events in in the area. Yeah they think could be GRANDPA's spirit So where are they keeping them. You're asking him well. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking a story like this. This is a situation ripe for corporate sponsorship opportunities. That's what I was thinking. Yes absolutely. Does he have his own race car. No but you're close the makers of Tuff. Shed donated a new shed for GRANDPA's resting place nine. He's got a brand new tuff shed in the Tuff shed corporation is now sponsoring the annual frozen dead guys festival in in Colorado. What is the annual frozen dead guys festival after all this happened? Local people thought. Jeez we can make some money off this so so they hold an annual festival in March. It's usually held the first weekend in March. The festival started in the year. Two thousand continues used to this day. It grows every year festivities include a parade of hearses a costumed polar plunge coffin races frozen Turkey bowling salmon toss and that's just gross and the newly dead game they're a locally produced special themed themed drinks and ice cream flavors for the festival the event trust thousands of people with as many as fifteen thousand in attendance in one year the dead got they also have the dead guy lookalike contest. That's pretty popular. And they even do tours of the Tuff shed where GRANDPA's frozen well. Those nice grandpar- ear gets to to stay where he's at and now he's got a whole festival. Yup Wow what a full life slash death. They also have a pancake breakfast. Breakfast poetry slam a market showcasing local artists. Yes snowy human foosball. They kicked the whole event off with a dance. Called GRANDPA's Blue Ball iphone. Ice Sculpture Snow sculptures in glacier ice ice cream which is headquartered in boulder makes a flavor specifically for the festival called frozen dead guy. And if you're wondering it has fruit flavored flavored blue ice cream mixed with crush oreo cookies and sour gummy worms. That sounds wonderful. I duNno intimate trick. Odd filed filed a complaint against Nederland involving money and naming rights in two thousand five frozen dead guy days. Even though that happened is still alive. And there's a growing increase reese interest in the festival more attendees arrive every single year including fans of the film which highlights the back story of the festival. First of all. It's a documentary called GRANDPA's in the Tuff shed weekend at Bernie's but very close yeah whatever and then there was a follow follow up a couple of years later called GRANDPA still in the top shed. Oh Wow that premiered in two thousand three. So here's an update trig van. His mother other are still living in Norway. Trygve has opened a life extension center that features ice plunging and coffee animas. I'm assuming that's for live people right. Yes no it's good to cater to both the dead end the living because especially if you're using hot coffee you know you gotTa guys cryogenically frozen you pour hot coffee in his ASS. That's counterproductive absolutely correct him. GRANDPA is still in the TUFF. Shed unwitting champion of the rights of the temporarily dead in according to several boulders psychics who have visited the shed. Papa has a message for us all from the great beyond does has he is at about staying active and tear older years. Olden years. Close GRANDPA said according to the psychics quote never ski alone wise words. So you WANNA go. Nederland is located in Western Boulder County. It's about twenty minutes west of boulder about an hour and a half from Denver. It's located at the crossroads of State Highways One nineteen seventy-two. The town is near the center center of the peak to peak science history historic by way. Wow it's near near the Eldora ski area. All of this sounds great. I'm I mean I'm not not getting in that cold water God no but I will have some of that ice cream frozen dead guy days. This year happens March thirteenth through the fifteenth and tickets are available. Let Their website which is frozen dead guy days dot org awesome. So there you go. We've had a lot of requests for that story and I thought since it's getting close to the actual event now it'd be a good time to deep dive and find out what the hell was going on with three get. 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Forty years of clinical trials have found no correlation between MSG and any sort of sickness especially a fake one called Chinese Restaurant Syndrome. Stop it a number one. Hey whatever you you do when you're pumping gas. Don't use your phone because it'll explode the gas fumes. You seen those little warnings. Yeah well that's been debunked. In fact mythbusters did an episode on it and not only. Is there no evidence that this can happen. Researchers tried to make it happen on purpose and it's never are happened. It's time to update that information when you look at those warning signs at a gas pump with the picture of the cell phone and the universal symbol symbol for no the slash with the cell. Phone looks like one of those really early flip phones from like the mid nineties with a little antenna antenna that you'd have to pull up. That's not going to explode. It doesn't even work. And the same people chiding you about talking on the phone while you're pumping gas or over there. Smoking smoking a Pall Mall unfiltered flicking there but at you taught you flick your but at me Sir. But flicker it's the podcast awed cast. It's like the cheap little prize you'd get in the bottom of a cereal box and you think I went through all that crap for this. UCLA The box of monetize. I love being married or specific to me. Yeah Okay Great. I love being married to you for good idea. There was maybe a secret I I mean. I've never been married to anyone else so I don't know I didn't expect it but we've never really clarified that so okay all right go ahead. This is something that you shared with me the other day boy because I watch a lot of ancient aliens netflix thought. I would like the Jonas brothers documentary documentary so naturally I watched about half of it. I did made me so sad. Oh No yeah nick man in a rough go of it really did. It's amazing to me the kinds of things that just come out of both of us like we've been together for a long time and we share the same space often and sometimes we just say things sort of to each other but sort of just saying them. We do a lot of that. Yeah Not really considering our audience or that. We even have one like I hear. I hear you pull into the driveway and the door closed. And then you coming up over the stairs and I just. He's here. I'm very excited about this new yogurt I bought and then the other night you said. I wonder how overweight I would be. If I didn't put my legs up on everything it's my main source of exercise is just putting my feet up on stuff my legs so that they are on my my future then on things. I put my feet on stuff a lot. We're thinking of starting a and instagram page cap feet on things any whose zone anyway. What you got for me today on and talk about Penguins Penguins Pangolins Pangolins? I know this word. Pangolins are are mammals that inhabits tropical forest dry woodland's and the Savannah. Okay I was wrong I was thinking Pangolin was some. It's something to do with geometry. Oh like a penguin triangle. Yeah I think that's the thing. Go ahead so there. Eight species in existence found in India a China Southeast Asia and parts of Africa. That's according to the independent and penguins are so unique that they have a mammal Hamel order entirely to themselves. The one still existing family. The Manna Dey has three different types of Pangolin and the maness which comprises four species living in Asia Another type that starts with The Ph that makes a I sound which which comprises two species living in Africa and the smuts Zia which comprises two species also living in Africa Swazi? What a great name? So one of the the things that make Pangolin unique is they have very large protective carrollton scales covering their skin and they're the only known mammal with if this feature. No kidding so you said you referred to them employable as the penguin is that like the proper way instead of pangolins. The Penguin I don't know I might. I might say the GIRAFFE has long long neck. You would never say that. So they're Carrington Scales Star start off soft and they hardened as the creatures get older as do our hearts and souls Witkin Um so the tree Pangolin is one of the eight species still Out there He's native to Equatorial Africa. ARCA and averages three and a half pounds with a giant Pangolin he lives in Africa and A stretch that leads leads from West Africa to Uganda. The giant Pangolin is the largest species and he can get to be over seventy pounds Z.. People no no no usually if feeling angry or threatened Pangolin will like hiss at you. They'll do kind of a kind of thing They'll puff the lash their sharp tales at you but if the fighter the guy that's threatening him too big they'll just curl up into a spiky not little ball until the attacker goes away but because they have those hard carrollton scales. You can't get in there. I watched a video of a lion trying in to get in. You can't get in so it's kind of like a cross between Turtle in an Armadillo kind of like that. I mean there compared to a lot of different things and we'll get into that. So pangolins eat ants. Termites larvae not often people And they because of the wave they eat their known as the scaly anteater even though I mean okay anyway. So they've got a small poke heads and they've you've got jaws without teeth. Penguins have very long muscular sticky tongues. Another reason why they're there compared to ant-eaters But but their tongues which are perfect for reaching in and lapping up ants and termites and such They actually attached to the inside of the Pangolins Goi- body near their pelvis. Wait no wait. The tongue goes all the way down. Yeah that just doesn't seem very very efficient. The tongue is often longer than the entire length of the animal and it goes it goes down in attach his wear down down by its pelvis that brings a whole different meaning to the term back of the tongue flavor. I Su- just it penguin ass at rest. The penguins tongue retracts into a sheath. That's in its chest cavity wall. Isn't that cool. That is so cool. I picture it makes like a Shink Schenk. That movie sound effect us. Every time somebody picks up a knife. Pangolin stomach is very muscular. It also has Spines projecting into the interior. And usually I usually. The tummies contain small stones and the the Tom. Tom Uses the spines and the stones to kind of mash up and grind and their prey very similar though the way the a bird's gizzard works. It's running like a mortar and pestle inside the belly of the animals in the Tong. Goes all all the way down through that too. I mean it's got to. That's how that's how he would. Have you bites his tongue. Oh I mean that's never a great. This sounds very bird like yeah. He's got a very bird gizzard e type of belly scales and everything scales where the predecessor to or no feathers with a predecessor to scales in many cases right. Is that how it worked there. Were feathered dinosaurs. Yes okay go ahead. Now I did all that out loud did not yet so yes they are frequently compared to ant-eaters and though they do share some characteristics with ant-eaters and Armadillos and onslaughts There are actually more closely related to cats dogs and bears. They tend to be pretty solitary. they meet eight a mate and they produce a litter of one to three offspring which are raised for about two years so I mean they're not like social so fast breeding bunny types? They're more like Oh hey cool anyway he take a little more cash. Yeah there's no I date hookup now. Penguins have stout limbs and they're very adapted for digging their paws have five toes. And they're four feet. Had three long curved claws like like you might picture sloth having they are really really good at demolishing nests of like termites ants and stuff and the journal so yeah Chinese pangolins sleep in underground underground burrows But other penguins live in climbing trees all are very well adapted though for for the digging and some can swim so according to save the Penguins Conservation Group. Chinese legend says that penguins can travel all over the world underground and and in Cantonese the name Pangolin translates to the animal that digs through the mountain now. Pangolins are protected by the national and international legislation throughout their range but hunting flourishes predominantly in Asia. Penguins are known as being the most illegally trafficked animal in the world. What is their value? Well I mean I know what their value is as a creature. What is their value on the poachers black market? Okay so About a hundred thousand. Penguins are estimated to be hunted and sold every year making the most traded animal in the world. The meats considered a delicacy in China In China Vietnam and other parts of Southeast Asia then. The scales are prized for traditional medicine. This isn't a new thing but it's become very increased over the years so like in In the early eighteen hundreds King George. The third of England was presented with a suit of armor made from Pangolin scales. And I'm guessing that was more for show that was more more for show but It has increased in being a problem over the especially the last ten twenty thirty years there. Some who who believed that roasted Pangolin scales can cure cancer or Stimulate breast milk It's an increasingly lucrative trade and it's driving poachers to capitalized by snaring them. In the forest and sometimes force feeding them gravel to increase their weight in value or God customs officers seized. He's thousands of penguins and hundreds of pounds of Pangolin scales every year. oftentimes they're disguised as other goods off. You know when you're when you're trying to hustle. I Don into a country. You might disguise it as something else. Those aren't Pangolin scales. That's baby formula exactly In in January officials in Uganda said they'd seized Tons of penguin skins packed in boxes identified as communications equipment in France. It's a few years ago. More than two hundred pounds of Pangolin scales. Were discovered buried in bags of dog biscuits. Chinese penguins are listed as critically endangered by the international a Union for Conservation of nature and the International Union considers. All of the penguin species threatened African Pangolin. Species are also threatened because of the hunting but also because their habitat is under threat from the use of pesticides and electric fences. A plus the trade aid to Asian markets has increased so much Annette Olsen who is a technical advisor for the Conservation International Group in Southeast Asia helped helped open the penguin rescue center She now works in Singapore and she said that the penguins odd appearance is part of what what has kept this from being stopped that it's not helped. It's 'cause it's not cute looking. It's not cute. He's nine it did inspire that song. What Song it's on? London swing a penguin. Do doing into two by two one. I used to love that song. So there's not a lot of species like penguins. There's not a lot of things that go like. Oh Yeah I love though. Oh is that that remind people of Penguins. Penguins aren't something that fits very charismatic. It's just kind of weird and pokey which was one of the reasons that inspired Edgar Allan Poe to write that short story. Jesus what's short story. The pit in the Pangolin. Remember without one. That was a good one. So there's actually a pokemon character whose name is San Splash who's loosely based on a penguin and It's even things like that. Researchers are hoping will endear the Pangolin to people and make him less likely to be ignored word and therefore extinct because people don't care there's also a Colombian company called cyclists manufacturer which makes makes a folding penguin backpack which is based on the bio mechanics of how the penguin is so cool. A loving one. Yeah I love it when they find things in nature that they can develop a product velcro. Tell me about velcro. VELCRO was developed because a guy saw how burdock stick to people's hair and stuff. Oh Hey the hook and loop idea based on burdock nice well well. There are rehabs for penguins. Because a lot of times people put out our hunters will put out snares and they'll just end up losing their feet because you yeah no snares But penguins have a really hard time and rehabs they have a hard time because they get stressed out. They don't eat a natural food very well L. They'd like being out on their own doing their own thing. They're they're not great to rehab but it is possible there are some rehabs that are doing better than others and they're reintroducing the penguins back into the wild when they can unfortunately they are still highly threatened and and for some species endangered. So that's why we need to talk about the penguin. And how durable and sweet they are and how they just WANNA hang out and dig up termite nests and eat curl up into balls and stuff and I I mean I get those things not the termite thing so much but I mean growing up in a ball sure absolutely all relate to that I wonder if King George the third would curl up in a ball when he put on that suit of armor. I would hope so I would so if you'd like to learn more Or chip in on the efforts you can go to save penguins banks Willie Save Penguins Dot Org which is raising using awareness and supporting conservation of the world's most traffic traffic mammals and I will post some pictures of these cute S- and and my new save the Penguin tank top that I purchased J. looking forward to seeing that penguins. The Mammal Bird heard like reptilian type of creature. Are they amazing. It's pretty great. Great now I was just using that to segue into talking about our live shows seeing you at one of our live shows. We're going to be in DC on the twenty ninth of January. DC Comedy Loft and then Bridgeport Connecticut the historic Bijou Theatre. We just actually got off the phone before we recorded this with Amanda from Connecticut Post and they're doing a story on our bridgeport Connecticut shows and that's neat banks. We hope to see you there. If you wear a save. The Penguin t-shirt to one of those. Oh shows you will get a box of oddities t shirt for free. I've just decided that I don't recall that coming up in our last meeting. Now it didn't regardless of whether you get through shirt wear or not we Senior next time until then flying the flag beautiful freak bugs of oddities to and its feet is your the four. It's been replaced by those resistance. We ask one thing of you. Provide a five store and review true a however is merely a five star rating and deposit also. Subscribe to us. Okay so three things is always ask three things and three things henceforth the box of auditees commits midst. 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