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MURDERED: YINGYING ZHANG

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MURDERED: YINGYING ZHANG

"Thanks to Casper for sponsoring our show. Don't forget some time while you're online today go to Casper Dot Com and use the Promo Code Crime Junkie Eight to get one hundred dollars off select mattresses high-crime junkies. I'm your host Ashley Flowers and I'm Brett and our crime junkie listeners. I will know that violent crime doesn't always make sense. I mean just last week. We told you a story where one of the theories or possibilities of the case is that someone totally totally random committed the crime with almost no motive at all so while some killers and other offenders can have motivations guiding their actions. We all know that others I don't these attackers often have no real motive no incentive they just do violent things because they want to. This can often often lead to cases where the investigation struggles to find a suspect and even when they do answers can be hard to come by and this is without a doubt the case ace in story which began unfolding in a popular college town back in two thousand seventeen it it was Friday June ninth in two thousand seventeen when friends acquaintances and even professors of unions began to notice her absence she was normally a very punctual and reliable person who on this day seem to have gone off the grid. No one can reach her by phone or by text and her friends at the university. We knew that she was planning to meet with an apartment manager that afternoon to look at getting a new place but that couldn't have taken all afternoon that should have been very short. She'd been gone several several hours at this point which was a major cause for concern around nine twenty four at that night and associate professor who she was friends with reported her missing to campus police ace this led to an officer heading out to speak with unions friends who all expressed worry for the missing woman now this officer was able to enter Giddings apartment and quickly quickly discovered that Yingying wasn't home surprisingly though most of her belongings were still bear so it was unlikely that she'd left voluntarily when the officer Surinamese more about union. He's told that she's a foreign exchange student. Originally from a small city in southeastern China and she was the oldest of two children and she earned good grades. She was always near the top of her class. She had hoped to become a professor when she was older and you know when she was young she began to express herself musically as ah she became a teenager she's saying she played the guitar and according to this article in the Chicago Tribune she actually played in a band whose name can be translated as cute horse. There's a great band name. I love it yes so she was just like this all around like friendly fun expressive person so following secondary secondary school she attended both Undergrad and graduate school in China and graduated in two thousand and sixteen now while she was in college she started dating somebody who she felt madly in love with and the two dated for years and eventually got engaged and planned to marry in the later half of two thousand seventeen however before before they could marry Yingying decided to live abroad for a year so following her graduation in two thousand sixteen she decided to become a visiting scholar for the Chinese Academy of Sciences and says which is the largest research organization in the world and there she wanted to focus on photosynthesis crop productivity particularly in soybeans and in corn and this focus actually led her to America for a year where she was going to do research at the University of Illinois at the Urban Champagne campus now now. I didn't study abroad ever but this has to be the most like life altering flip your world upside down kind of experience yeah. I'm sure I mean I haven't spent a lot of time abroad but I did spend a couple of weeks in Malaysia and Singapore and that was a culture shock and four like a quarter of a year I spent in Miami me that even turned my life upside down yeah you were in the same country so I can't imagine I mean she was way from everything she'd ever known away from her parents her brother her our friends her fiance and even China itself however ganging was excited for the trip and the opportunities that it presented for her future when she first got to Illinois she she began renting an apartment at the University of Illinois Orchard Downs Complex which is roughly one mile south of campus and it was super affordable for her however after a couple of months she began looking for something a little closer to her work center to make her commute a bit more manageable and this is exactly why she had taken that meeting on June ninth but knowing all of this about being knowing that she didn't have a car knowing that she was here in the US about family her fiance and she only had a couple of friends ends who now couldn't get a hold of her. The responding officer began to suspect that foul play could have been involved in her absence and union was officially named a missing person. The first thing police needed to do to track her down to figure out her last move midst according to her friends they knew that she left to go meet with the manager of the new apartment complex so they go talk to this manager and he says yeah we had a meeting scheduled for like two o'clock and at one thirty nine I got some texts from her saying basically she was going to be ten minutes slate and again. She didn't have a car so in order for her to get to the apartment. She was going to have to take two buses so it's about a thirty minute trip so he's expecting her to be ten minutes late late. When she still hasn't shown up to thirty eight the manager texts her again saying are you still planning coming by but he never got any kind of response from in her so what they piece together from this is that she likely had been hanging out in her apartment until about one thirty nine? Whether she fell asleep or just lost track of time or whatever she realized she was going to be late for the meeting so shortly after texting the manager she would have left her house and maybe this was they think maybe around one forty five the rest of her movements. They were able to track down using security footage. They know she caught the -til line bus which took her from the Orchard Down Apartments Complex Complex where she lived to the intersection of Springfield and Matthew streets there. She's picked up on camera now. She hopped off the bus and and she was hoping to catch the twenty two limited. This is the next bus that she was going to take to one north apartments where she was hoping to move into. Unfortunately it wasn't until she's already already off the bus and waiting that she realized the connection she needed to get on that twenty two limited picked up on the other side of the road so she could instill see the bus as it's picking up as it's starting to go off so she starts running down the road after the bus trying to catch it but that didn't stop the bus from accelerating down the road road with her just following behind a block and a half. That's Kinda rude like why wouldn't the bus driver just stop so I agree however actually looked into this and believe it or not that is totally holy within company policy for most bus companies or public transportation drivers are not supposed to stop for pedestrians on the wrong side of the road because doing so generally leads to people illegally crossing they can get hit by cars like its own thing yeah exactly so now that she's missed her connection Yingying being returned to the bus stop slightly defeated and she knew the next bus wasn't coming for several minutes and so she was undoubtedly going to be even more late for her appointment with the apartment manager and it was here at exactly this point when police are watching this video that they get their first clue as to what happened to union and dread sweeps over them when they realize what they're seeing remember when you were a little girl and your pants had the same amount of pockets as pants worn by little boys in your class. 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Yingying shuts the passenger door the car accelerates forward out of frame and union would never be seen seen or heard from again while the video was helpful in determining when and where she disappeared from it only gave police one really tangible lead to follow the car they could tell that it was a black car. It was a four door Saturn Astra but they couldn't get a plate number or really leave a clear description of the driver other than he appeared to be a white male. Luckily though this particular Saturn was a pretty rare car which was only he sold between the years of two thousand and eight and two thousand and nine and the fact that they could tell it was a four door to door narrowed it down even more so so they look into this car and thankfully there weren't many of these in the region in fact there were only eighteen registered in Illinois champaign county so this help them create a list of people to speak to which would expedite the investigation significantly in those first couple of days while police are making their list of Saturn owners that they wanNA talk to a few of beings loved ones flew from China to Illinois this included her father and her fiance and later on her mother and brother would join them as well and they all wanted to pitch in on search efforts and help raise awareness for the case and they told the media the press anyone who listened that we're not going to return to China China until union is found and it wasn't just the family and the police looking the disappearance of the twenty six year old student had galvanized the large foreign student population poppulation who helped organize search efforts around campus they even begin spreading into the neighboring towns and cities but unfortunately they were unable to pick up any a trace of being investigators in searchers were unable to uncover any clues pointing to her whereabouts. What about her cell phone? Were police able to track down that title so they actually tried to they were able to see that Yingying had been texting the manager of the apartment complex just like he said but just minutes after she had gotten into that Black Saturn her cell phone stopped paying off cell towers in the area so to police this indicated that it either turned off or it had been destroyed but they might not need her phone records to find their suspect because within two days police had met with or spoken to most of those Saturn owners in the area including a young college student from the area who quickly became one of their main suspects just a few days after unions disappearance police I went to the apartment of a man named Brent Christianson. He lived in Champaign Illinois with his wife and as police approached the apartment. Do you want to know what they I noticed. Just a block Astra of course it's the vehicle that led them there. In the first place sitting right in the parking lot a two thousand eight black Saturn Astra which looked exactly like the car in the surveillance video so police walked up knocked on the apartment door and met Brent Christians and for the first time fine this is just like their first meeting very general they ask him if you questions mostly about his whereabouts for the few days prior particularly between the hours of two o'clock clock three o'clock on that Friday and he's basically like I don't know I probably would have been sleeping. Maybe playing video games all day long but he makes it seem like his afternoon was a bit of a blur so in this chat brand did verify that the black Saturn was his and he allowed police to search the the vehicle but they weren't able to find anything of real value just by glancing around and and after speaking to rent for a bit they end up leaving empty handed and they continue Tinubu down their list of possible suspects and continued looking for any vehicles that might match the description as investigators continue to hit the pavement so to speaks some other officers continued analyzing the surveillance footage and within another day or two they were able to learn more about that vehicle that she'd gotten into beyond onto being you know just a four door black Saturn Astra the vehicle. They also could tell you know again. This footage is like super grain. It's not what you might be imagining but they're able to like clarified here. Fight a little bit analyze it. They realize that it has a sun roof and after inspecting it even closer they find that the front passenger side Hubcap Hubcap of the vehicle was cracked and it was cracked in such a way that it would have a very unique look so officers decide to revisit all the saturns that they previously looked at effort to see which one really fit this description and after looking at all eighteen vehicles again they discovered only one fittest criteria and it was Brent Christians and Saturn which was black had four doors had the sunroof and had the exact same damage along along the front hubcap and to the naked eye. Those vehicles were virtually identical yeah so now we are at June fourteenth now. This is the day that the identified Brent Kristiansen's car as vehicle that union got into they obtain a search warrant to search the vehicle more extensively in particular. They're looking for any evidence that had been inside the car. Maybe hair follicles. DNA clothing fibers whatever if they could prove that she'd been in that car at all they could proved that Brent Christianson had been the last person to have seen her and likely had lied to investigators about his whereabouts that day I mean which is a crime in and of itself Ray exactly exactly this was a big deal and police treated as such early the next morning we're now June fifteenth police executed the search warrant on Brent Christians vehicle and even asked if he would mind coming down to the near. FBI Field Offices to conduct an interview so he accepts and within our was being grilled by federal investigators instigators. During this interview Brent went back on his original statement now he does remember what he was doing and he told police that he had actually been driving around the U of. I campus that previous Friday again the same day that union disappeared he made it seem like he just confused his days like Oh. I didn't lie to you you before I was mistaking Thursday for Friday or something like that. His story is totally changing oh totally and he even admitted to seeing a young Asian woman standing on the street corner under near campus who he said looked distressed now. He says he never got this young woman's name so he wasn't sure if it was being but he does now say a that he stopped and offered this woman a ride which she accepted and he said they drove off in a minute or two later. The young woman became panicked. He says so he pulls over to the side of the road. Let's her out in a residential neighborhood a few blocks away and that's it he drives away that seems like the most ludicrous story I've ever heard going from not even leaving the House that day to be on the campus seeing her talking to her and then Oh yes actually I did pick girl oh but I dropped her off. Even even if you confuse the days like if pleaser coming asking you about a woman who's gone missing you. Oh you what you thought it was Thursday and Friday you know what I mean. It's not adding up clearly. His story is changing and police didn't really seem to buy this story either at least not the particular series of events and they didn't think that Brent Christianson had just so happened to pick up a woman minutes before she disappeared forever so as they spoke to Brent the police officers back at his apartment start talking to his wife who he had been at home with that morning that they came by so she says that she'd actually been out of state the weekend that ganging had gone missing so there wasn't much information that she could offer but she did allow police to search their apartment and she gave them consent to take away multiple pieces of potential Ngel evidence and this was like their computers cell phones like anything like that that they could potentially get something off of these collected items would eventually prove to be the building building blocks for their entire case but before we get into that we have to step back just a little bit and explain who Brent Christianson really was so he he was actually a graduate student at the University of Illinois and he lived in the city of Champagne Illinois with his wife the two had met while attending the University of Wisconsin and had and they had married back in two thousand and thirteen and they were at the time to thirteen and like their early twenties so for awhile their marriage was stable. Things seemed to be fine line but in the winter of two thousand sixteen things began to take a turn for the worse Brian started ignoring his classes his grades began to suffer for and eventually he had to fully drop out of his doctorate program in physics and instead he set his sights on obtaining a master's degree which for him seems like a derail of all of his life's ambition xlt now in this time period his relationship with his wife had begun to fall apart he began turning to drugs and alcohol all which only made things worse and he began to develop a dependency on alcohol in particular that really drove a wedge between him and his wife now eventually they reached a the point of no return and in an effort to keep their marriage intact they decided what they needed was an open relationship so Brent's wife quickly got a boyfriend and Brent himself joined several dating websites and apps where he described himself as being in an open relationship he was very honest about it and he got a girlfriend of his own the following month and she began to introduce him to the world of DSM which normally wouldn't be an issue right like it's two consenting adults like everyone has their thing sure however his introduction to this bedia world through his girlfriend only seemed to exacerbate a Brent's existing issues which had apparently been festering for months at this point you see he'd started falling into a spiral of repeated dark thoughts which are only made worse by his substance abuse so in March two thousand seventeen this is again roughly a couple of months before unions disappearance Brent met with a counselor at the University of Illinois and he admitted that his marriage was on the rocks and contributed a part of that to his own shortcomings in particular his alcoholism awesome however in this conversation he also admitted that he'd recently been drawn to certain very specific negative thoughts not only causing using harm to himself but thoughts about harming other people and he even claimed to have been drawn to certain idol's like horrible people like Ted Bundy Lundy who he seemed to admire for their ability to kill without being caught. That's a pretty big red flag. I yeah and I think that's putting it mildly so during this conversation with the counselor Brent said that these issues you know they're all in the past. I have no desire to act out on these dark thoughts. However months slater these statements would become incredibly incriminating so if we fast forward now police have in custody and during his interview he he made himself out to be a pretty normal guy so he denies any wrongdoing? He said the only thing I admit to which he obviously knows the only thing they could prove is is that young had gotten into his car. He said that's it. He sticks to his story that he lets her out. Just down the block. He refuses to budge and it's like listen she got in. I didn't even know name. I have nothing to do with what happened to her. However while he's speaking to the police and holding firm on this they get their extensive search warrant for his car and all of those electronics that they pulled from his house and so while they're searching what they find in the vehicle is that his vehicle had been extensively cleaned recently and what was strange was that while the entire car had been cleaned in particular the area around the front passenger seat had been cleaned like way more diligently than anywhere else and consumed the majority of the work there was a real focus on the passenger side where Union would have gotten in but what they find on his phone and Internet history are even more incriminating evidence there they discovered heard that he'd become enamored with abductions and in fact his exposure to the BCSM community had exposed him to some extreme fetishes which which included forced abductions like he was looking up stuff about abducting women like how to fantasy video stuff like that and investigators would quickly learn about Brennan long term interest in these violent abductions as well as his idolization of serial killers but even though he seemed like their guy none of this was getting them any closer closer to finding out what happened to Yingying or where she was right now so proving he did something to her just on him? Being a creepy guy wasn't going to be enough enough. Police decided they couldn't arrest Brent but they could put him under a microscope so they let him go but they start to serve surveilled him and their hope was that he would lead them back to Yingying somehow whether she was alive whether she was dead like maybe he would panic and try and cover up the crime or go visit somewhere something like that right but in their surveillance police had someone on their team who Brent never expected Ed police were able to get rents new girlfriend to wear a wire now Brennan spot a lot of time with his girlfriend who he'd been saying for a couple of months at this point and and they had become incredibly close. She seemed to spend more time with Brent than his wife dead so she was probably be closest person to him. During this timespan now now she literally recorded the conversations with Brent for the better part of two weeks and I think deep down she did this and she kind of alluded to this that she was hoping to clear him of suspicion because for almost two weeks she felt like she was proving her own case see like he couldn't have done anything he hasn't said anything to me not even like insinuated ray but after two weeks of him not saying a single incriminating thing the floodgates opened in the most most unlikely of places okay. I have been on the hunt for a natural the for at least ten years. Now you name it. I've tried it. A lot came close to being what I was looking for but I could never really find one that I loved until I tried native. Native Deodorant uses fewer simpler ingredients so you know everything. That's in the product that you're using ingredients in native aren't just simple their ingredients. 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That's twenty percents off your first purchase of native native deodorant when you go to native Deodorant Dot Com and use Promo Code Crime Junkie at Checkout on Thursday state June twenty nine twenty days after unions disappearance her family members and her fiance organized a memorial walk on campus which they hoped would raise awareness for her still unsolved case this memorial walk was attended by hundreds of students who came out to show support frigging ings loved ones and and among them was none other than Brent Christianson who attended the event with his girlfriend now Brent again at this point. It's totally unaware that his girlfriend was quite literally wearing a wire and he made several alarming comments during this event saying that he only came out because he wanted to see how many people attended then. He said that everyone was there for him as if he was the star of the show Joe and I don't know what his girlfriend had to have been thinking when all this was coming out if she thought he was lying or if she finally saw what police had been seeing him but she didn't drop it that evening over drinks Brentwood ended up detailing to her exactly what happened to union. Oh my God he confessed to abducting beating raping and torturing her in his apartment and eventually hitting her in the head with a baseball bat got a baseball bat that he had lamented was now in police custody he then claimed to drag innings body to his bathtub and and then stabbing her in the neck before decapitating her oh my God during this confession which took place over several hours Brent proceeded to get increasingly easingly intoxicated and he would even brag about being an amazing killer who had killed multiple women over several years and by his count he said he'd murdered about thirteen women over roughly a decade long period dating back to when he was just nineteen years old however in his words Yin Yang was the only victim whose disappearance had led back to him the rest he said we're women whose names he didn't even know Oh and he tried to Brad to his girlfriend and say that he was just like Ted Bundy. I found something particularly chilling within the trial transcripts when Brent is talking to his girlfriend about young he said quote Yingying is gone. She is never going to be found the FBI has looked for her the police the FBI. I don't know where she is. I'm apparently very good at this. The family won't leave until she's found and they are going to leave empty handed because they will never never find her she is gone forever and quote the FBI. After hearing all of this now had confirmation from Brent himself himself that he'd been involved in the disappearance and death of Yingying and so that following day June thirtieth two thousand seventeen which also happened to be Brown's since twenty eighth birthday he was arrested so after his arrest police began conducting a more thorough search of his apartment and eventually found evidence that seemed to validate what Brett had confessed to the prior day. What do you mean a more thorough? I thought they already searched it. Honestly I have no clue like I I would have hoped that the first time they went through his place would have been like with a fine tooth comb. I Dunno like the extent of their search warrants. I don't know if they were just looking for items that first time when they came back they're looking for blood. I honestly have no idea but I think based on his story. What I imagine is maybe they had come back and Dan spent like extra time and given particular interest to maybe that bathroom if he took her in there and that's where he stabbed her decapitated her okay? Perhaps they are focused on that following his arrest Brent was charged with federal kidnapping which if it had led to the death of someone could result in either life imprisonment or the death breath penalty on July twelve he was officially indicted by a grand jury on July twentieth he would plead not guilty to the crimes he'd been charged with breath now. The next two years would pass with the state and defence preparing their cases. I mean this was a massive case and all the Wile Brent refused to cooperate with investigators refusing to give up the location of unions remains at least that's what the public would be told at the time his actual trial didn't start until this past summer June of two thousand and nineteen and this is when the public learned a whole lot more the prosecution argued Gude Brent Christianson had become enamored with dark violent fetishes in particular those abduction fetishes in which he would abduct someone particularly the young woman and forced her to do sexual acts out of her control he would abduct this woman and forced her into a large Duffel bag in in this fantasy which which just so happened to match one that he had purchased online just days before unions disappearance in all of this seem to fit with the official narrative narrative that prosecutors were working to establish their narrative was that Brent Christianson had premeditated every facet of this crime down to the victim profile he was going going after a young woman of small stature that he could easily overpower and force into his Duffel bag and who had no official link back to him and that's what led led him to prowling the University of Illinois campus on that day the ninth so from what I can tell from this case and from everything the prosecution is saying it's not like he drove by and it was like a crime of opportunity he had been driving around the entire day rallying looking for the perfect victim and it eventually led him to singing who accepted a ride out of necessity or some other reason and made her the perfect victim so along the lines of this premeditation what they brought up in trial vile is they specifically read a text that I think is pretty ominous that he had sent his girlfriend and here's a direct quote from the trial transcript quote fading into nothingness is the default for most people. You want to know what terrifies me. It's that I will not fade away. I refuse. I don't care how I will be remembered bird just that I am good bad revered infamous. I don't care think back over the past two thousand years. Who Do you know the people who pushed the limits and those who supported them? Fading into nothingness is not an option. I would rather destroy humanity then let that happen. I know most would disagree and quote. Wow Wow that is some really dark stuff it really is I mean and it shows you where his mindset wise. I mean again. He's he is plotting and planning something something so that he can become infamous and hopefully be remembered now. Another thing we learned after that trial started was that Yingying might not have in his first attempt at abduction day. There was a woman walking on the campus who had reported to police that a young man pulled her over along the side of the road and he pretended to be an undercover officer he had intended to lure the woman inside his vehicle but she refused and eventually informed the police about this man like basically attempting attempting to abduct her okay so maybe you didn't just go with him because she needed to ride she could have fallen for this undercover bit right yes so according to CBS Chicago. Oh that's what they're saying. Federal prosecutors are alleging that this was his ruse and she had fallen for it whether it was because she was trusting staying whether she actually needed the ride thought maybe a police officer was giving a tour maybe because she was from another country and not used to you know what you need to be asking of an undercover officer so it very well could be now based on the evidence that police gathered it's believed that Brent had incapacitated hanging inside his vehicle forced her into that large Duffel bag that he purchased a week prior and then he was able to sneak into his apartment where he raped and murdered her over a span of several hours eventually eventually he would murder her inside his bathroom by hitting her in the head with the baseball bat cutting her throat with a knife and ultimately decapitating her in his bathtub following this the prosecution alleged that he disposed of her remains and then disposed of her personal items in numerous garbage cans throughout campus trying to separate them so none of them could be traced back to her after this he began an exhaustive cleanup effort which lasted through most of the weekend and again remember his wife's. He's gone all weekend so he had the place to himself right. He made numerous trips to local stores where he was buying several cleaning items like roughly half a dozen bottles of drain o which she used to erase all trace of union from his bathroom drain yet despite his exhaustive cleanup efforts which focused again primarily on his bathroom and his vehicle vehicle Brent missed numerous spots he cleaned his carpets but missed the flooring underneath the carpets there and along his mattress actress police were able to find numerous red spots which were later determined to be blood that positively matched with Yin Yang Okay so how did bruns defense even try to argue against that I mean I feel like it's a pretty clear cut case of murder right. Yes so here's the thing is they didn't you didn't try to argue against the fact that he did it. In their opening statement. Brent attorneys argued that he indeed killed Yingying verifying that much of what the state alleged was in fact true however what they pushed back against. We're like some of the minor discrepancies in the case in particular the confession that he made to his girlfriend which is what informed much of the follow up investigation so bruns attorneys argued that he was incredibly drunk at that time so like fruit I the forbidden tree. I don't know I mean basically they're saying he superdrug so you wouldn't have had that if he wasn't super drunk and you got the rest of the stuff so the rest of the stuff doesn't mean I don't know to me it to me. It seems crazy and luckily I'm not the only one who thinks that because it was surprisingly not very effective Brent attorneys seem to place the blame for his crimes on in his substance abuse but they also debated the merits of their own clients authenticity they contested that the FBI had found no evidence of brunt being a serial killer or really committing any other crimes throughout his life so much of what he said not original confession could be chocked to B. S. so I don't know if they're saying like you know that's BS. This other stuff could be a defense is just to me very muddy and I didn't really understand the point of it. It's almost just continuing saying like but maybe not yeah I think the logic was to you. Try to like pivot certain arguments in favor of the defense but it didn't work the jury would deliberate for less than two hours before returning their verdict and on June twenty-fourth Twenty Nineteen Brent Christianson was found guilty of kidnapping resulting in death and to charges of making false statements to the FBI agents agents he would have to wait a few weeks for his sentence but he received good news. When he learned that he would not be facing the death penalty rather he was sentenced to life imprisonment imprisonment without the possibility of parole? I mean it's still doesn't seem like enough cases just so heartbreaking and tragic and and like you said the episode really truly senseless yet but wait till you hear this part so following his sentencing it was announced that in November of two thousand thousand eighteen months before the trial even started Brent had actually disclose the location of beings remains however he done and so as part of an immunity deal meaning that the information couldn't be used against him in trial so they had even more information that they possibly Sibley could've used to secure a harsher sentence but they didn't because of this deal so following the resolution of the trial that's when his information in come out and prosecutors were able to meet with unions family and her fiance and they told them about the information that they gathered which they had unfortunately been sitting sitting on for the better part of a year so unions family is actually the ones who released a statement and in their statement they alleged that Brent Christianson had disposed of of unions remains in three garbage bags which were placed in dumpsters at his apartment complex and picked up by the waste disposal company on June twelfth wealth. This is just three days after her disappearance from there they were taken to a nearby landfill in Danville Illinois where they were buried and compacted multiple multiple times making it nearly impossible for officials then or now to find her remains yeah I can imagine that would be an incredibly lengthy the an expensive process and you'd have to get like some sort of green light from the government right. Oh yeah and I mean unfortunately as far as I know that process hasn't even started it yet and I'm not sure if it ever will so it remains unknown if young's family will be able to make good on their word of not returning to China without her but only time will tell despite making himself out to be a methodical serial killer the likes of which hadn't been seen since Ted Bundy Brent Christianson was was nothing more than an opportunistic coward who took advantage of a woman less than half his size police would even reveal that in the months after his arrest US Brent had agreed to give all the information about the case in exchange for a life sentence because he was so afraid to lose his own life at the time prosecutors shooters had rejected the deal hoping to pursue the death penalty through the trial process. Unfortunately that subjected unions family to a really lengthy trial in which horrific doc details of her death were aired in public forum making it so that her family was basically victimized again and again and as they had to learn about what happened to the report twenty six year old daughter day after day I I just can't imagine being put through that today. Jong Yang's remains have not been found and despite receiving a life sentence for kidnapping her and her murder she very much remains missing person. I only only hope for her. Family's sake that her remains can be found and returned to her home country where she can finally be laid to rest. If you like to see pictures from this case or check out our sources read all the trial transcripts you can find those on our website Crime Junkie podcasts dot com and you shouldn't follow us on instagram at Kremlin podcast. We will be back next week with a brand new episode the Crime Junkie. He is an audio chuck production. 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His business is building ice castles. Will that get harder in a warming world?

Climate Connections

01:30 min | 3 months ago

His business is building ice castles. Will that get harder in a warming world?

"Dr anthony leiserowitz and this is climate connections in the movie frozen queen elsa magically creates a palace maid of sparkling ice for brent christianson making an ice palace is harder but the results are still enchanting. We tried to create. What feels like a other worldly experience. Christensen is the founder of ice castles. His company builds elaborate structures that tower up to forty feet high. They start by making thousands of icicles. Which the fuse together. And then spray repeatedly with water so given a month of good cold weather we can create some pretty massive structures. Low temperatures are good for building but visitors dislike extreme cold so the company's sites in utah. Colorado new hampshire and wisconsin are in areas that often hover near thirty two degrees some years. It's really cold some years. It's not and we just gotta hold our breath and work with what we have last year. The wisconsin locations opening was delayed because the ice was melting and climate. Change is bringing more warm days. Long-term definitely if i were to pass this down generation generation. We'd be moving further north. I'm sure but for now. Christianson is coping with the uncertainty and this year his team was able to build. Ice castles fit for queen elsa herself climate connections is produced by the for environmental communication to hear more stories like this visit. Climate connections dot org.

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Case 176: Yingying Zhang

Casefile True Crime

1:18:11 hr | 3 weeks ago

Case 176: Yingying Zhang

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That's five percent off up to ten dollars value and zero delivery phase on your first order when you download the door dash app in the app store and to enter code files. Don't forget that's code. F. i l. a. s. for twenty five percent off your first order with door dash subject to change terms. Apply era besides deal with serious and often distressing incidents. If you feel at anytime you need support please. Contact your local crosses santo fa- suggested find numbers. Confidential support placed Nights for this episode on your app or on our website in mid two thousand seventeen. Emily was far from home. The british graduate student was studying abroad in the us at the university of illinois. One hundred and thirty five miles south west of chicago the campus which is nearly equally distributed between neighbouring twin cities. Obana and champagne was and remains popular with international students in that year loan. Almost eleven thousand students from one hundred and thirteen countries attended. You y you say have a half. Were from china on the morning of friday. June nine two thousand seventeen. Emily was walking the streets of a banner shampoo pain alone. She was on her way to a bus stop when at around nine thirty a black four door car pulled up alongside her behind. The wheel was a mayo. Driver wearing mirrored aviator losses and black tayshia. He wound down. The drive is saad window and yoda to emily on the undercover cop and said he was doing some work in the area. Hey then flashed what appeared to bay police badge that was hanging around his neck on a chain. Emily approached the car. The undercover officer requested that she get in so he could ask her some questions about things that had been going on in the neighborhood. Emily post something about this situation. Didn't seem rot sensing that the man wasn't really a cop. Emily firmly said no before backing away. Surprised by her. Aunt saw the man remarked. Well you say anything. Suspicious coal the place he then drive away unsettled by the in kanta. Emily phoned the university of illinois campus. Police day scale at the area but failed to find the so-called undercover car. A bulletin was published learning the college community of the potential danger and emily posted about the incident on facebook where it quickly spread among campus forums shade described the man and he's ploy but couldn't recall the michael muddle of his car simply referring to it as a black sedan. She warned other students done. Get into the car. Even if they claim to be police or have a badge. Friday june non was a warm sunny day. The sprawling grounds of the university of illinois were unusually quiet with many students off for the summer. Break visiting family vacationing or completing. What placements that morning. Young young at twenty six year old international student from china arrived on campus and headed for the barra tree where she worked she said about cleaning some equipment with her colleague and friend go from now go phone had been a pillar of support for yingying who had found herself struggling. While in america yingying had been attending. The you y you say for a little over a month now. Her plan was to complete a year long research appointment focusing on photosynthesis in soybeans and corn. But she found herself a longing behind. She missed her family and the closeness they shed yingying was also concerned that her english wasn't as fluent as she believed to be in an effort to distract yourself yin yang threw herself into her work which she met and befriended guo phone the pair helped. Hi coming out of their shells often sampling new cuisines and traveling together. When they took a work trip to nebraska yingying was fascinated. The state's flat sperling fields was so different to the hilly landscapes of her home province and the bustling city of beijing as homesickness dissipated yingying considered staying on at the u. Y you say to complete a doctoral program wants her appointment at ended at around. The union got permission from guo phone to take a longer lunch break than usual. This would give her ample time to attend an appointment as she did. A nine. a car and was reliant on buses to get around union could be gone for a couple of hours at twelve thirty pm. She bid guo foam farewell and headed to her apartment on the south end of campus off to having something to wait. Yingying made her way to a nearby bus. Stop not long afterwards. Run trez stones so fine ping. It was one thirty. Am and he had just received a text message. It was from union joan who he had an appointment with that afternoon. Shane foam to ron chavez. That she was running and would now be meeting him at around. Ten pass to run. Trez was the marketing manager for one north student. Living apartments two miles from the ui. You say one north was off. Campus residential facility that offered university students a range of amenities and social events. It's apartments will modern and furnished and the complex was safe and secure wa with an onslaught property manager and gated grounds. One north appealed to yingying as it was less expensive than her current residents there. Comments were cited larga and even had a spare bedroom. Yingying was excited. Maybe she could find a roommate to hope Of come her loneliness baio. June sheet submitted an application and scheduled an appointment to view on apartment. Yingying had planned to may run tryst iron at around lunchtime friday june on when ron trez received a text from yin yang in coming him that she was running light and would say they're just off the two pm he replied to say it was fine. He continued to white. Being was a no show. Ron crespo daddy's phone opened his messages and taught. Hey yingying just checking in to safe. You're on your way. He never received a reply by the middle of the afternoon. Yingying had not yet returned to the lab. This concern anti colleagues over the pasta month. She had proved herself to be a responsible employee. She wasn't someone who would take half a day off on a win. Guo phone was particularly worried for her friend. The pair had discussed getting dinner together that naught yang yang would always confirmed plans with her first. But guo phone hadn't heard a thing at around four pm guo phone and others rang ings mobile phone. There was no ansa. Guo foam was forced to grab dinner alone. She rushed back to the laboratory at around six fifteen to check. If he ing had returned there was still no sawn of her guo foam then went to unions apartment but no one answered the door convinced. Something was wrong. Guo foam reported yingying missing to the campus police as it was a friday. Not they were inclined to think yingying motive just gone out but the concern expressed by her colleagues hinted that something was truly amiss officer as odd hoskins headed of at unions apartment to check up on her but no one came to the door. Although the student population had dwindled over the break there was still plenty of young people milling about no one recalled saying yingying during his search hoskins continued to co yingying phone. H time at rang out office. Hoskins headed back to yingying apartment. Her worried colleagues gathered outside awaiting news. Hoskins noticed that business cod head left at ying ings. Front door hadn't been touched. Housing stuff unlocked. The common and hoskins entered with a colleague to conduct a preliminary search. The apartment was lived in but nothing appeared to be out of place and unassembled boss. Cool lay in the living room. There was several pots and pans yacht in the kitchen. The covers of unions bed will pull back slightly. Some cash had been left on top of address. The officers are grade that everything appeared to indicate that yingying had intended to return by midnight. Hanging was still missing as the situation had become increasingly. Dora singing's colleagues phoned her family in china. The father race time from work and her mother fainted on hearing the news. One of the loss paypal yingying spoke to from back home was her boyfriend shall lean. The couple had been classmates at university in china and started dating towards the end of their first year of studies. They were maintaining a long distance relationship while yingying was in the us and hoped to get married later in the year yang spoke to shell laying on the phone the night before she vanished. She was looking forward to moving apartments and data out her plans to sauna lace for her new place. The following day shall lean was certain that something terrible must have happened. Hey new winging would never want to cause undue concern to others. Hey code her over and over but there was never any. Ansa offices. Spoke with the ron stone. The one north student living apartments marketing manager. Hey hadn't heard from yingying since she texted him to say she was running light to their appointment. Phone records revealed that yingying cell phone was lost. Active on the afternoon she vanished. It pinged to sell tail in downtown champaign. A full minute drive from the. Ui you see. The funnel paying was to twenty eight pm need twenty minutes after she had planned to get to one. North the champaign urbana mass. Transit district is a bus network that serves both cities. Luckily it's known as the mta day. This was the system used by yingying to navigate around town. Buses within the mta day are equipped with multiple say-say tv cameras. While examining footage tycoon by the vehicles on june nine investigators court saw of winging outside her apartment building at one thirty five pm. Et bosses external camera captured being as she boarded internal cameras recorded her as she walked down the aisle and fantas sate. She was dressed in jane's of pink. And what long sleeve shirt with a what. Top underneath and white shoes. She was carrying a navy. Blue backpack and on her head was a great baseball cap. The bus was operating on. What was cold that -til lawn. Its route took passengers northeast through the college campus at one fifty two. Pm at stops at the intersection of springfield and matthews avenues. Banner way union disembarked as they saw it was still about one and a half miles south of the one north apartments at saint. Luckily that yingying had intended to transfer to another bus four minutes later. A boss known as the twenty two limited traveled through the area. The vehicles external cameras filmed yingying walking north along springfield avenue towards another stop. When yingying noticed the bus passing her she ran after it and attempted to flag it down. It was clear she wanted to board however as she was on the wrong side of the road it continued on without stopping. The boss turned left onto a straight name to goodwin avenue. Yingying chased after it but didn't make it to the next stop in time and ultimately mr to pace together unions movements from then onwards investigators pulled footage from security cameras in the vicinity of her lost. Nine location you why. Uc campus police telecommunications officer. Kenny kosta was scrutinising footage taken from a parking garage camera when he noticed something. Standing across the road was being waiting by a bus stop. She had seemingly continued along goodwin avenue to the stop after missing. The bus officer. Kosta kept watching the video at two pm. A black four door. Hatchback could be seen driving south along goodwin avenue on the opposite side of the road from union. The car then turned left onto a saw. It straight before reappearing on goodwin avenue. Several minutes light off this time that was on being sought of the straight the vehicle approached her slowed down and pulled over. Yingying approached the car and chatted to the draw through the passenger window after almost a minute. She opened the front passenger door and cloned inside closing the door behind her car then pulled away from. The curb continued north along goodwin avenue and disappeared from view. This sequence of events bore striking similarities to an incident reported to police just hours before yingying vanished another. You y you say student. Emily hogan had been approached by a black caa in a similar manner while walking alone to a bus stop in emily's instance the cosmai or drive opposed as an undercover police officer in an attempt to coax her into his vehicle. The area where. Emily was confronted was roughly full blocks from way. Yingying young was taken other security cameras in the area captured. The car containing traveling a quarter mile before it turned onto a straight named university avenue couldn't be tracked any further. It appeared as though the murderers had been following yingying well before approaching as she chased after the boss black vehicle was filmed driving alone. The same road no matter how. They looked at the footage. Investigators couldn't get it cleave view of the driver or the vehicle's lawson's play. They tried zooming in but the images became too pixelated. However the footage was sufficient to identify the vehicle as a black satin. nash draw. This was a very rare make and model satin astros were first produced in two thousand eight but due to the global financial crisis. Only a few thousand was solved. The model was discontinued after. Just one year of production. Police firmly believed that yingying had been kidnapped as there was a chance she might have been transported across state lines. The fbi were brought in to assist the investigation list. Full sutton nostra's registered in. The county was quickly. There were approximately twenty-six in total of these only eighteen were four-door backs agents began visiting the individuals that these vehicles were registered to. They started with an address in pain. That was the closest to their field office. But none of the inquiries provided any leads back. In china union's case was making headlines the fact that yingying was from an ordinary family increased intrigue though the household was full of love unions. Family did not have much money. They lived in a modest palm with simple furnishings unions. Father wrong gal was a truck driver. Her mother lay phone was a homemaker who was unable to read or ride. The family didn't have much to contribute to winnie perspective. Ransom making this scenario seem unlikely. The sean as parents of other students attending college in the us gripped by fee that their children might be randomly targeted next unions distraught. Family couldn't understand why she would have gotten into a stranger's vehicle. Her boyfriend speculated that she must have been desperate to get to her. Appoint men just over a week after using vanished her boyfriend father and on to arrived in champagne to join the surge. Her mother was too exhausted to make the journey. She had slept door rayton since learning of hangings disappearance. The college community rallied around. Yingying loved ones providing them with housing and meals. Students also set up an online fundraiser to support the family financially with an initial goal of thirty thousand dollars in less than a wake. Eighty thousand dollars had been donated. Champaign county crime stoppers worked with the family to provide a forty thousand dollar reward for information leading to an arrest. It was the largest of its kind ever offered by the organization. The fbi offered its own reward of ten thousand dollars. Volunteers assisted as being families scale at the straits. Send a follow up on leads. One tip said that yingying had been spotted in the city of salem one hundred and twenty four miles south west of champagne. Her family made considerable journey. Unin lead to discover. The saudi was a case of mistaken identity. Complicating matters was hanging father's to speak english and the difficulties of navigating of foreign country. Run gal jong struggled to sleep at not and would often leave. He's bed to go stand outside. He's daughter's apartment. He waited there for hours hoping yingying would come home. Run gal gave. He's i the media interview on thursday. June twenty two through a translator. He begged person who had taken yingying to return her before addressing he's directly they strong daddy's waiting for you here. I hope that being a good person you will be safe forever will wait for you and we will definitely fund you in an effort to raise awareness unions. Boyfriend shall laying organized a vigil to take place. On the nod of thursday. June twenty nine participants would begin at the campuses. Credit center for the performing nods then walked to the location where yingying was lost sane often the posing the they would return to the credit sent off for a concert that evening. Megan not her real name received a text message from her boyfriend. The pair had only been dating a month after meeting on a dating website. He's message megan's boyfriend requested that she accompany him to the walk. That was being held feeing joan he wrote. I am going to this no matter what i'd love if you were there with me. Megan was aware of Case she asked her boyfriend why he was interested in going and why he wanted her to go to. Hey replied that. He didn't know but he was asking her to megan grade when the couple met at the venue megan's boyfriend held up a cola that she sometimes wall when they were intimate and dasta to put it on. The pair often engaged inactive bay. Dsm erotic consensual roleplaying. That includes bondage discipline dominance and submission. Megan refused to wear the caller stating that it wouldn't be appropriate. The occasion was to samba and she was uneasy wearing such an in public. He accepted this and didn't press them at the joined. The three hundred fifty strong crowd including yingying loved ones chatting quietly as they strode after briefly talking about their relationship. Megan's boyfriend brought up the knee by off field office. He described where it was located. Then named some of the meteorologisy is covering the walk. He also made some cheuse remarks about the walks participants being there for him after a while he picked up one of megan's hands and trist the number thirteen on her palm. She was confused at the end of the walk. Megan went to the when she returned outside. Her boyfriend was sitting on a bench waiting for her. He grabbed her off fine and tapped a on it before handing back. He had written short message on her notes. Add it read. it was me. She was number thirteen cheese. Gone forever after. Megan had seen the message. Her boyfriend deleted it. The pair then attended the concert. Megan's boyfriend exhibited strange behaviour throughout the showed. He consumed a large amount of alcohol and clapton a widely. Slow staccato fashion. When the crowd gave unions boyfriend a standing ovation he remained seated at one stage. He pointed out another attendee to megan and remarked that she would make quite a good target but the time that concept concluded. Megan was extremely disturbed as the pair walked off. Her boyfriend brought up the message. He had talked earlier on megan's fun. Hey revealed that he was a serial killer. He had started murdering when he was not pain and had killed a total of thirteen women. He didn't know the names of any victims. Assad from young yum shea was the only one who'd had public fall and could be tied back to him. Hey told megan shave was the first person he debit confided in and to remind remote the last person i would consider at my level. That actually did. Anything was ted bundy. Hey was called in the eighties. Concealing her fi. Megan continued the conversation. Shia stiff thirteen was a large number of victims. Her boyfriend responded incorrectly. It's bigger than jeffrey dumb. Big then john wayne gase. Why have caught the nation's attention. Apparently he then reassured megan that he would never harm her. She responded unless for some reason on the complete idiot and say something to somebody. And then i'm not safe. Hey replied that's true. Investigators fronting the yin yang junk case remained tight-lipped refusing to divulge publicly held. What was progressing behind the scenes. They had been working around the clock to find her ongoing efforts to enhance security camera footage of the suspects Nostra proved fruitless. You why you see. Campus police officer sajjan james kadar asked whether he could help cada was known for his knowledge of cars and off. Dato over the course of five to ten minutes. He continually slowed and pause the video to make sure nothing escaped him. Kadar then noticed something. The hubcap upon the 'cause wrought front wheel appeared to have docked spot. He rewound the footage and studied every single frame. Hey realized that the hubcap was broken with a chunk missing from seattle rim sajjan cada also determined that the vehicle had a son murph of old the black satin nostra hatchbacks within the county. Only one was noted as having a sunroof it was the first vehicle. The fbi had inspected during their initial enquiries. It was registered to a year. Old local man named brent christianson. Who lived raw there. In champaign christianson a full moss this student at uc had no criminal record he lived with his wife lisa not her real name in a two bedroom apartment. On west springfield avenue christianson had also bena tasting assistant at the university but was currently unemployed and looking for work. When initially questioned by the fbi brin christianson had been pilot and up fron he was familiar with the union junk case and acknowledged that hey drive a car matching the suspect's vehicle. Hey maintained that. He was at home all day on friday june on sleeping or playing video games he allowed. He's apartment and car to be searched. Nothing suspicious was found but the discovery that the suspect's car had a sunroof narrowed the investigative spot lot directly on christianson. He's black satin. Astra was the only one in the county that had such a jaw. Offices headed straight to the parking lot at christian sins apartment building. They hung dean on his car. A lodge chunk was missing from its front passenger hubcap. It had been awake since. Emily hogan's unsettling encounter with the man purporting to be an undercover police officer investigators for the union. John case approached her once again seeking her assistance. They provided her with photographic lineup that contained six different draw lawson's pitches when she saw the third photograph. A wave of nausea washed over emily. Shay was sure at the man pitch. It was the one who had tried to lure her into his car. Emily then reconsidered saying that she was sixty percent shore. The third image was of brent christianson. Investigators were granted a federal warrant to search christianson time and caa. They arrived at his apartment and knocked on the front door. He'd opened a fraction. The officers couldn't see who was on the other side. One of them cold out that they were there to search the property. The door open to what a surprise but calm bring christianson stood before the group dressed in his underwear at a p does though he had just gotten out of bed. He permitted the investigators to winter. He's done he's walked. Lay saw was standing a few feet behind him naked. One of the agents asked her to put on a robe. Christianson was in the warren and was asked if he was willing to talk back at the investigator's office looking nonchalant christianson turned to lay saw and off. Everything of saying the movies tells me or shouldn't talk to the police. What do you think in an equally unconcerned. Turn shave replied. Yeah i think you should go. Christianson put on a black t. shirt and pants before he was escorted to the fbi. Field office once there. He was asked to recap his alibi although he admitted that he couldn't recall fraud. I g nine clearly. He maintained that he was at home playing video games. Hey suspected that. He had up for a couple of hours in the middle of the afternoon. One of the interviewing detectives abruptly asked. Look you know that we didn't bring you all the way up. He to talk about video games. So what you had for lunch that day. Why do you think that we brought you up here. Christianson replied because the koran was seen picking up a girl that's missing when asked who was driving his car on the day in question. Christianson said no one else had access to it in an effort to get him talking. Christianson was told there was footage of him picking up being john. Hey remarked that he had insane himself in any of the footage shown by the media. A detective retorted. You've seen what we've allowed to say. Christianson began breathing heavily. He's is dotted around the room. There was a long pause. That seemed to drag suddenly. He said that he might have gotten he's days mixed up. He now emitted to picking up an asian girl on what he thought was set at a june ten. Hey out driving around the u. I you say when he saw a girl looking distressed and pulled over to speak with her she was light for a meeting with her professor and showed christianson a map on her phone of where she needed to go. He offered her a lift and she accepted but after he driven a few blocks. The goal became destroyed. She tried to get out of the car christians in thought he must've accidentally taken a wrong turn and inadvertently scared her. He stopped and let her out after. The girl exited the car. She stood on the sidewalk looking at her phone christians and then drove back home. He couldn't remember he's passengers name. But provided a brief description of her she spoke broken. english had been wearing jeans and was carrying a backpack. Hey yes the mated. She'd only been in his cough for five minutes or less but he couldn't remember where he had taken her when asked why he had withheld this information. Christianson insisted that he thought he'd given the goal a lift on sunday. Not the friday. That ying yang was taken. The topic of christians marriage was then raised christianson. And he's waffly saw wearing a mutually agreed upon open relationship which enabled them to dykes other people while remaining married. Lisa had a boyfriend whom she knew through work. The weekend yingying was taken lisa and her boyfriend who vacationing interstate. Christianson was left home alone. Hey admitted that. He had gone out driving because he'd been stir crazy and align all he wanted was to clear his head. Christianson pointed out that he's still wasn't sure that girl he met had been hanging john he was asked if he'd picked up the go because he wanted to sleep with her christians and replied a main that would have been nice but then he tried off a more. Forceful approach was taken interviewing offices. Demanded that christianson tell the truth. Wedgie you take her brent. We need to find yingying. There was a pause then. Christianson said i think it's time that i stop answering questions on know. The typical advice is to get a lawyer before you answer. Anything and i think of tried to help. Enough forensic examination of christianson cellphone revealed that less than two months earlier. He had visited a website for individuals. Interested in sexual fetishes and kinks. He spent time in a forum. Todd abduction one on one in threads labeled perfect abduction fantasy and planning a kidnapping. He tried to a woman about how he would lock to a doctor. Hey described how he would bind and gag her then. Put her in a large duffel bag in the trunk backseat. If he's car. The following month christianson purchase the six foot long green canvas duffle bag online but soon returned it then. Just six days before yang vanished. He rewarded the same back. Investigators hadn't found the bag at. He's hunt the search of christians. Apartment did uncover a pair of to stall sunglasses. Lock those worn by the phony undercover cop that approached. Emily hogan l. was before he hanging was taken in the main bedroom to tween mattresses had been pushed together to form a king sized bed on one of these mattresses were three reddish brown stains to towards the middle and one at the end by the wall. A baseball bat was found. Luminol revealed it to contain disdain. Christianson sat astra was also examined. The front passengers say and saw of the had been recently and thoroughly cleaned. Investigators with certain that brent christianson was involved in unions disappearance but they didn't want to keep him in custody if released they believed might slip up and do something that would delayed them to yingying. On friday june. Sixteen christianson was sent home without charge. Christianson was well aware that he's movements. Were now being monitored by the fbi. He turned off the tracking function on his phone and switched to a virtual private network to encrypt. He's internet connection in the meantime. He's marriage deteriorated further though he's wife had taken to sleeping in the spare room and pushed heavy autumn's against the door to prevent him from entering. The code showed on impact christianson too harshly. As per the rules of open marriage. He had another intimate ought not he could reach out to a young woman. He'd recently started dating named megan. Megan had been terrified of her boyfriend. Since the nod of union junk visual christianson had insisted shea accompany him to the walk during which he confessed to being a serial killer that not. He data showed in an excited and boastful manner. Exactly how he had attacked yingying he said he had taken her to his apartment cut off her clothing and writer on his bed before strangling her with his hands as he was over six feet tall and had a large build. It was easy for him to. I've powell the much smaller union. Nevertheless she had fought back. Fiercely christianson described it as quite unbelievable supernatural. Almost how she didn't give up. He estimated that he had choked using it for ten minutes. Despite this she kept a breathing he then carried her into the bathroom and placed her in the tub before striking her with his baseball bat uncertain whether he had killed her. He grabbed a naf and stabbed her in the neck. Hey that consciously or a reflex yingying tried to grab the weapon christianson than decapitated her. He told megan. This fauna lacked. Put a stock to what he called this fucking zombie shit but spoke admiringly have unions fought festival describing her as valiant christianson then laughed about the fact that some people at yingying vigil had thanked him for attending. I am apparently very good at this. He boasted they will never fall her. Because i will never tell anyone the family. They won't leave until she's fans they gonna leave empty handed. Megan returned home a short time later and walked in saw it alone. She then spoke directly into her clothing. It's ten oh one. And i buy got at least some of that. Is there something interfering with your happiness preventing you from achieving your goals. Beta help is here to help. 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Megan was upset to learn that her boyfriend was a prime suspect in a kidnapping investigation yet. She couldn't deny her own concerns. Although her relationship with christianson seemed promising to begin with in light may he'd sent her a series of text messages in which he rambled about not wanting to fade away into obscurity choir. I would rather destroy humanity than let that happen on. No most would disagree. It was proposed that megan work with investigators but covertly recording christianson whenever they were together she was conflicted while she loved christianson. Megan bentley great to participate believing that her actions could help exonerate him. She was provided with two recording devices. One was hidden inside a coffee mug. The was the size of a post at night and could be worn underneath clothing. Megan started recording christians. Light on that same day. He initially seemed nervous about being under investigation. But then at another point he appeared amused by the situation. Christianson talked about the yingying. John case with megan he came up with excuses regarding the evidence against him often. Using megan as a scapegoat he said he had purchased the duffel bag to transport a cat scratching post for her. Although she never received it he also said that the blood in his bedroom belonged to her even know. Megan knew this wasn't true. On friday. June twenty three megan recorded a fine conversation in which christianson said he was worried about. What would happen to him. If the investigation goes self. He added that desperate. I'll we'll be in prison for life to continue that conversation via text messages in one. Christianson admitted i was the one who peaked. That goal up dropped her off shortly after. I didn't do anything wrong. But she's missing and i am officially lost one. Who saw her. Lisa lose a husband. If this goes wrong. I will literally lose my life but the tom christiansen asked to megan to attend king's vigil with him. She was already deeply troubled by. He's various remarks prior to leaving home. Megan heater a recording device on her body. When she returned home later in the nod she find the fbi to notify them of christians. Chilling serial killer confession. She then burst into tease. The following day of friday. June thirty was brent. Christianson twenty eighth birthday. Fbi agents arrived at his apartment and charged him with the federal crime of kidnapping. A cadaver dog brought into the residence alluded in the bathroom. Wet christianson had confessed to killing yingying. There were no human remains at the address but agents seized a number of items including a roll of duct tape. None of yingying belongings were found an alternative lot sauce revealed handprints since swabbing marks on the draw wool and carpet inside and underneath. Johnson's bed suggesting someone had cleaned the area a dock. Reddish stain was found on the underside of the cop. It as well as on its tax trip and the flow beneath samples of the staining. What tested along with swabs previously taken of christian since mattress into baseball bat olaudah gms returned a positive result unions. Dan i although it couldn't be proven that it was christianson who had taken yingying. Further evidence proved. He was in the area at the time. Security cameras from a local supermarket. Colt christianson buying a bottle of rum at seven forty. Im on friday. June on from there he drove around the ui you say. Campus in the aftermath of unions disappearance christianson used. He's smart fine to research the ingredients in cleaning products news articles about the case and in fact on as obstruction of justice laws. He also looked up information. On how i find tracking words to spot not owning one union however had used and i find months before the abduction christianson filled out an intake form but the u i use as cancelling santa he had written that alcohol and drug addiction were ruining his life and that he wanted to Others when asked about his desire to her people christianson revealed that he'd banks spending lots of time researching serial killers. Particularly ted bundy. Hey remarked always being interested in the bag guys. He admitted to making homicide or plans. Which progressed to the point of purchasing items. That could be used in a murder. Said he later returned them hanging system. He didn't want to actually hood anyone because he didn't quiet want to live with the guilt. He refused to attend a substance abuse facility or a meeting at alcoholics anonymous. However christianson did attempt to follow up appointments with clinical counselors. Another counseling session was planned april. Six two thousand seventeen three days before union was taken christianson filled out an intake form for the appointment but never met with the cancel off to that he stopped attending cancelling sessions during his time in custody. Christians find his wife lay saw. Their conversation was recorded. Christianson wanted lisa to delight. He's a on the discussion website. Reddit as well as any of his stupid comments in a post discussing the possibility that unions kidnap modifying posing as an undercover police officer. Saw christianson had commented. That's very ted. Bundy esque scary. Christianson had once confided in saw that he was fascinated by serial killers as well as quote violence testing limits. Things of that nature this troubled aleisha. She issued her husband with an ultimatum to stop drinking him when he failed to do sire. Laser announced in march two thousand seventeen that she wanted a divorce. This course christianson to become emotional and destroyed so lisa suggested they open their relationship as a compromise. Lisa returned home from her weekend away with a boyfriend. Dies off data yingying was abducted. She didn't notice anything strange about her husband behavior. however on monday june twelve. She saw him leave the apartment carrying a duffel bag. that didn't look to have much in so added. She also noticed. The petrol gauge in christianson. Sat nash draw was at the halfway point. This indicated that christianson had driven two hundred miles over the weekend. Lezo was surprised by this. As her husband was a homebody that never really traveled anywhere and staff and students from the ui. You say what shocked upon learning of brent christian since arrest he was remembered as a mild mannered and normal students and teachers assistant if a little awkward however one young woman who lived in the same apartment building as him told the media. Shahid phantom creepy photographs and video footage taken at the vigil for yin yang fated christianson with megan hey was captured holding her hand and walking alongside her with the non around her shoulders in haunt sought these innocuous images which schilling as they implied unions killa motive walked with her family that not pretending to show he support on the morning of monday july three members of the media and the ui u c community queued outside ben bananas small federal courthouse to attend christian sins. I hearing only forty five people could feeding so at the courtroom. Hundreds of others gathered outside chanting justice union while holding banners and signs. That read we a with few yingying. When christian centipede in court he was shackled at the ankles and said little unions. Father and boyfriend watched owning silence as the judge ordered him to be held without bond. He was facing charges of kidnapping resulting in death and lying to federal agents. The prosecution was seeking the death penalty. Christianson pleaded not guilty unions. Mother and brother joined the rest of the junk family in the us. In anticipation of the trial lay phone sobbed as her husband spoke through an interpreter. Dot to the press. This is a very painful process. How dreams have been shouted. We just keep on telling ourselves. This is the worst and we cannot really lose any more. Hey vowed that he would not leave the. Us until he's doing. I had being found and could be given a proper burial. In accordance with their beliefs and coccia delays by the defense meant. The trial didn't begin until april two thousand and nineteen almost two years after years disappearance in the interim her family returned to china to conserve their money. And so lay phone. Could recover from. The trial was held. Saw of champaign urbana after christian since attorneys successfully argued extensive media coverage of the case smart of prejudiced the local jewelry pool. The venue change would inconvenience hangings family who returned to illinois. They were soon off at a place to stay locally for the trial's duration christians attorney shocked the court blessed dotting. He's opening address with the lawn. Brendt christianson killed being john and did nothing that we say or do during this phase of the trial will be an attempt to saw stab. Or deny that brent christianson is responsible for her death. The defense explained that they were only having a trial because christianson face the death penalty if convicted their intention was to prevent this sentence star witness for the prosecution. Megan was the first witness to draw any emotion from christianson. Hey look down at his hands and occasionally what the white a tear is. She spoke when asked how it felt to be testifying against her former boyfriend. Megan replied terrifying. She was then asked. So why are you doing it before answering a because it's necessary christianson did not take the stand. The defense asserted that the government wanted to take his life. They relied on christensen's longterm alcoholism as an excuse for his actions going so far as accusing megan of plying him with booze to get him to confess that you also blames her for introducing him to bay. Dsm claiming she quote injected the idea of fantasy and sex day described christianson has happily married successful student. Who was led astray by alcohol and delinked sex with violence after discovering bay. Dsm culture after two hours of deliberation the jury fan brain christianson guilty on all three cans following christian sends conviction lawyers representing unions. Family issued a statement thanking investigators for their hard work on case describing coordinated efforts as nothing short of remarkable day also thanked all the witnesses who had testified in particular megan quad. Megan's courage is self evident and the assistance shea. Gave to law enforcement was invaluable. The close knit loving junk family. Were able to tell the world how the loss of young young had impacted them at christianson. Sentencing hearing her father wept over the lost fidai. He had taken with these daughter. It depicted being flanked by both her parents. Outside a train station moments before she departed for the us she had just celebrated her birthday party doubling as a farewell celebration through tease. Her mother asked the court this wonderful daughter of mine as my everything. Hell am i supposed to carry on living. I really don't know how to carry on one of the few times. Christianson showed emotion throughout the hearing was when he's father testified that the thought of he son being executed was unbearable. Dis caused christianson to break down in tease off christians to receive the death penalty. The jury had to reach a unanimous decision. They deliberated for almost two days. Ultimately ten wanted to deliver the death penalty was to oppose. As a result brent christianson was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of release he was also given five year sentences for the two charges of lying to federal agents and the maximum fine have seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Christianson chose not to address the cord upon hearing the verdict but smiled at his mother. When he heard he's lav would be sped. The judge told him the mercy extended to you bought. The jury is a testament to their humanity. Not your character. The junk family must live with the thought that yingying was ripped away from them but a total stranger. Thousands of miles away fulfilling. He's self absorbed and selfish fantasies with no regard yet to this day for anyone other than himself you will. Complete and total lack of remorse was not lost on anyone and emphasized the one more time today when given the opportunity to speak and not subject to any cross examination. You could have said whatever you want to say for as little or as long as you wished and yet today. Seven hundred and sixty days. After you took kings lawf- you could not muster as simple on sorry christians. Out com caused an uproar in china. Many citizens shared the desire of unions family to say him receive the death penalty however unions family accepted that the law sentence was still a suitable punishment that reflected the significance of their loss. Her father said we hope that every day he spends in prison he feels the pain and suffering that way feel for the loss of union. He added now that the trial is over and the jury has made its decision. We ask the defendant to unconditionally. Tell us what he knows about. Hangings location if you have any humanity left in your soul. Please help end doubt torment. Please let us bring yingying. Hone the search for unions remains had been long but few taw dumpsters creek beds and abandoned mineshafts had been thoroughly searched crime. Stoppers singing's family offered a fifty thousand dollar reward for information that led to her discovery. They were completely unaware that christianson had already revealed what had become of being in november. Two thousand eighteen christianson had divulged the truth to federal prosecutors in an attempt to negotiate a deal that would prevent him from receiving the death penalty as the information was part of immunity agreement. Prosecutors bain unable to share it until oughta christianson was convicted and sentenced off. The killing union. Christianson had dismembered her and placed her remains in three separate garbage bags the following day. He threw the bags into a dumpster out. So he's apartment building on monday june twelve. He placed the unions. Oh iphone clothing and backpack in the lodge duffel bag. He'd purchased earlier that month and then drive around disposing of them in various dumpsters. Around the champaign urbana ray area. Finally he threw the duffel bag away. The dumpster wearing is remains were placed was emptied the same day its contents. Were take into a private landfill then. Compacted twice spread over an area spanning fifty yards and buried beneath thirty feet of garbage jude to the compaction process. Yingying remains would have likely been reduced to a saw smaller than a cell fine. Investigators believed it would be near impossible to recover them. Any attempt to do so would be extremely complicated and expensive unions. Family fronted a press conference soft finally being told what they came of her union. Father told assembled reporters if what that man city's true it further confirms that he is a hot less and evil person we condemn he's brutal and malicious actions and we hope that hey suffers the rest of his life as he made union safa in the final moments of her life. We now understand that. Finding her may be impossible but if unions remains are ever found we will return to take her home to china where she belongs to days after learning. What had happened to yingying. Her family had a memorial service in illinois that same month. That was announced that day had assisted the you. Are you see in creating an endowment. In honor of their daughter named unions fund had aimed to assist international students and families. In tom's of crosses unions parents denied thirty thousand dollars to the fund from the gofundme money that was raised for them. The ui use as chance. Lost spoke of his admiration for their gesture. The junks cherish to members of our own illinois family a going through one of the most challenging points in their lives and yet they still thinking of others. The gift will make an enormous impact when they students and their families needed most unions. Family full-size dynamited that twenty thousand dollars as rewards for individuals. Who helped solve her case the. Ui you say. Also awarded three members of their police department. These decisions highest donna. The chancellor's medallion their work on union's case sergeant james cada who identified the sutton astra's distinctive hubcap and sunroof telecommunication. Kenny cost who traced unions path to the second bus stop and discovered. She had been abducted using. Cici tv footage and detective eric. Vison who interrogated christianson despotic. Brank christians and boasting that he was a prolific serial killer. Nothing has ever been fan linking him to any other crimes. Investigators concluded that this element of his confession was nothing more than a fantasy. Kings parents chose her name as it meant the twinkling of the stars or candle light from an early age daughter proved to be extremely intelligent. She ranked at the top of her class at school. She attended in two thousand. Non yingying was accepted to study environmental science at university. She was the first member of her family to pursue tertiary education. Four years later union graduated as one of the talk students in her year next. She began a master's degree in environmental engineering and beijing's prestigious pecking university. But two thousand sixteen yingying had her masters and to begin working as a research assistant at the chinese academy of sciences. She said assad some of the money she tend to purchase gifts that would make her family's lives asia such as microwave and to sell fine unions. Ultimate ambition was to become a professor. This career path would hope her support her family financially despite never having left china before she decided that the best way to achieve this goal was to travel to the united states for further education

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04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 01-12-2020 8AM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm child Snyder. Police in Tehran Iran Guard today for more protests authorities have beefed up police presence after protesters took to the streets this weekend demanding. That top official step down after the Iranian military admitted that it had mistakenly shot down a Ukrainian airliner police use tear gas to disperse some. NPR's Peter Kenyon says wrong claims. The plane was mistaken for a cruise. Missile hundreds gathered at universities in Tehran. In the wake of the government's admission after three days of denials that it did shoot down the Ukrainian jet the head of the Revolutionary Guards Aerospace Force said an officer mistook the passenger jet for an incoming cruise missile the head of Ukraine International Airlines criticized Iran for leaving the airspace open at a time of hostilities with the US. Canadian Prime Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is expected to be in the western city of Edmonton this afternoon. To attend a memorial service for victims of the disaster fifty seven of the one one hundred seventy six people killed were Canadians of mainly Iranian descent and other firefighters died fighting Australia's devastating bushfires. NPR's Jason Building in in Sydney says a fatality brings a human death toll in the current fire season in Australia. To twenty-eight Bill Slade is the latest firefighter loses life in the devastating getting blazes. The sixty year old was killed while battling a fire in the southeastern state of Victoria when a tree fell in this vehicle another fiery as volunteers were called was killed in the state on January January. Third Australia's being hit with its worst bushfire season in decades millions of acres have been torched thousands of homes lost in dozens of blazes continue to rage aged out of control in three states. The Prime Minister Scott Morrison is considering establishing a Royal Commission to investigate why the fires have been so bad this year and to look at the role of climate change and the exacerbating the crisis. Two Thousand Nineteen was the hottest driest year on record in Australia. Jason Bobi on. NPR News Sydney China's China's urging the international community to respect its one China principle after voters in Taiwan reelected their pro democracy president in a landslide. The BBC's Sylvia Hatton reports president saying when rejects Beijing's demand that Taiwan should be reunited with the mainland advocates continued autonomy wannabe for the island just ten days ago. The Chinese President Xi Jinping urged Taiwan to accept that it must and will be reunited with China cautioning saying that Beijing reserve the right to use force to make reunification a reality type as future relationship with Beijing. Became these central issue of Taiwan's election Shen and voters overwhelmingly rejected. See Jinping's warning handing the Taiwanese President Cy in a second term one of mid size I Acts following her. Victory was to meet the top American official in Taipei Brent Christianson thanking him for his support. You're listening to NPR news. Authorities in the Philippines temporarily suspended. Flights from the airport to Middle Nila after nearby volcano started acting up today. The new volcano Canedo near the capital popular with tourists at Senate giant ash plume into the sky today prompting an evacuation of thousands of nearby residents international dignitaries in the Omani capital today to pay respects to Amman's late ruler. So tongue caboose. Who died on Friday? The sultan hailed for his mediating role in the region again playing that role role in death as regional and international leaders come together in the Omani capital as NPR's Deborah Amos reports Beirut Oman's unique role as a regional mediator radiator played out as international dignitaries arrived including the UK's Prince Charles Europeans Foreign Minister and Gulf leaders the government declared three days of mourning morning after a burial on Saturday caboose successor of former culture minister pledged to continue his predecessor's policies. The domestic challenge will be economic omic rising youth unemployment because of falling oil prices. The larger challenge is continuing the role caboose. The Arab world's longest serving ruler. Played in the region. Condolences came from leaders around the world including Israel's Prime Minister and former US President George W Bush Deborah Amos. NPR News Beirut it to Colorado now where police are looking for a suspect in last night's shooting in Aurora that left five people wounded including three juvenile's they have released a description of the suspect. But say there may be others. Shooting happened at an apartment complex where a party was being held. I'm Joe Snyder N._p._R. News.

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Mary Vincent

Murder Minute

20:54 min | 2 years ago

Mary Vincent

"Welcome to murder minute your daily dose of true crime on today's episode the story of mary vincent but first your true crime headlines the parents of murdered university of utah students have filed suit alleging that the university did not do enough to protect their daughter who had complained to police more than twenty times about her ex boyfriend twenty one year old lauren mcklusky were shot and killed last october by melvin roland a thirty seven year old registered sex offender who she had met two months earlier at a bar where he was working as a bouncer he lied to mcklusky about his age and his name and the two began dating after about a month she discovered his real identity and broke things off with him he began stalking and harassing her which she reported to university police on several occasions he'd been confronted her outside of her residence hall on october twenty second shooting and killing her before fleeing the scene police tracked him down a few hours later and he killed himself as they moved into making arrest lauren mcklusky parents are suing the university for their daughters wrongful death which they believe could have been prevented if the university had acted with more urgency to address her stock and complaints speaking to reporters mccloskey's mother described the lawsuit as a last resort after many failed attempts to get the university to take responsibility and address deficiencies and safety procedures jim makovsky an attorney for the mccloskey family stated that lawrence death was preventable and the murder occurred because of the university of utah repeated failure to respond to lawrence multiple and continuing police for help and independent review was highly critical of universities handling of the case finding that the university police did not take mccloskey's complaints as seriously as they should have an idaho falls woman was murdered by her boyfriend last week and authorities are struggling to understand the motive for the crime kaylynn blue failed to report for her job for two consecutive days so her coworkers requested the police perform a welfare check on the woman when they arrived at the house that she shared with her boyfriend phillip schwab and his mother schwab answered the door he told them that his mother was out of town and that he had stabbed his girlfriend to death and he showed them the backyard flowerbed where he had buried her body in a nearby garage police found the woman's to dog's also stabbed to death investigators believe that blue which killed sometime late saturday night or early sunday by schwab who has no history of violent behavior over the weekend that he killed blue in her dog's he posted hundreds of cryptic status updates dates on his facebook page which some of them making reference to the crimes that he is accused of committing schwab told the judge that he intends to plead no contest and does not want a public defender he is being held in jail without bond a twenty nine year old illinois man convicted of the june twenty seventeen murder of union jank a chinese scholar who vanished two months after arriving to united states to pursue a doctoral degree at the university of illinois her killer brench christians in with the graduate teacher and doctoral candidate at the university christianson was fascinated with ted bundy and had admitted to a university counselor in march of twenty seventeen but he had fantasized about abducting and killing someone but then told the counselor but he did not have those kinds of thoughts anymore a month later he started visiting an internet forum called obstruction one oh one where he participated in discussions about planning the perfect kidnapping on that forum he wrote of his plan to buy a duffel bag large enough to fit a body inside when his girlfriend went on vacation in june of twenty seventeen he purchased such a bag only internet and began searching for his victim christianson encountered zhang as she was on her way to sign a lease for new apartment city surveillance video shows her waiting at a bus stop as a black saturn hatchback pulls up next to her the vehicle was later identified as brank christian since he offered jangled ride and she got into his car never to be seen again christianson to jank to his apartment where he strangled and raped her then bludgeoned and stabbed her to death he decapitated her and disposed of her body the surveillance video led investigators to brent christianson who admitted to offerings django ride but denied killing her without enough evidence to arrest him authorities turned to christian since girlfriend asking her to wear a wire she agreed and was able to record him confessing to the crime at a memorial service verging christianson confessed to his girlfriend that he was responsible possible for shanks disappearance he opened the notes function on her phone to type it with me she was number thirteen she is gone forever union james body has not been found after being found found guilty christianson offered to weed investigators to her remains in exchange for not receiving a death sentence his formal sentencing is scheduled for july eighth the the trial a fifty two year old ashley trail is continuing in his absence after he attempted suicide in the courtroom last week trail in his girlfriend twenty four year old bailey boswell stand accused of the murder of sydney loop who met boswell on tinder and agree to go on a date with a woman trail admits to disposing of loose body end her belongings but alleges that she died during a consensual sexual encounter prosecutors are attempting to prove that trail and boswell planned the murder presenting evidence that on the day of their scheduled date trail in boswell purchased a meat grinder ten snips a hacksaw bleach end garbage bags before picking up loop whose body was found cut into pieces is an discarded in trash bags spread over several miles of rural road last week as a witness with leaving the stand after testifying trail stood up shouted that bailey was innocent and then slashed his throat with a small knife he was hospitalized with nonlife threatening injuries and the jury was instructed to disregard his outburst bailey boswell's trial is scheduled for october of twenty nineteen and both could face the death penalty if convicted those are your true crime headlines for true crime anytime download murder minute app and follow us on instagram at murder minute welcome to murder minute on today's episode incredible story of mary vincent who escaped murder but didn't get away in one piece mary vincent grew up in las vegas where her mother lucy was a casino dealer and her father her with a gambling machine repairman mary wasn't unhappy teenager and had been rebelling selling against her parents cutting classes and running away from home in the summer of nineteen seventy eight when mary was just fifteen she went to sausalito california where she lives with her boyfriend in his car but when when he was arrested for allegedly raping a high school girl mary left at times staying within uncle nearby in september of nineteen seventy eight mary say goodbye to her uncle and decided to hitchhike to her grandfather's there's home four hundred or so miles south to corona california near los angeles lawrence singleton with emergency man molding middle aged an overweight larry was driving his van to berkeley when he spotted a teenage girl with dark hair in her thumb thrust out he pulled over when mary told him where she was headed larry who is on his way to reno no offered to make a considerable detour and drive her to los angeles i've got a daughter about your age he told mary she got in larry had a troubled family life his wife surely had divorced him in nineteen seventy one then in seventy six larry married married collins a nurse but their marriage to fell apart after just two years at the beginning of the summer larry had had a fight with his daughter debra a defiant teenage girl who resisted attempts at parental discipline much like mary larry singleton stories about his family seemed to put mary eddie she relaxed lit up a cigarette smoke making her sneeze larry reached across and felt the back of marriage neck let's see if you're sick he said pulling married toward him mary drift away irritated that he made a move on her so soon and lean to way against the door larry then told mary but he wanted to stop by his house near san francisco on the way to pick up some laundry mary agreed to help and when they arrived with kerry bundles to the van as larry began drinking from a milk carton filled with liquor back on the road mary young and naive drifted off to sleep when she she woke they were way off course a road sign for nevada flashed by they were heading in the wrong direction the situation with clear reaching for a weapon mary found a sharp sticking the van and threatened larry i can take care of myself she yelled demanding to be taken to allay turnaround right now larry apologized i'm just an honest man who made an honest mistake he said i'm not gonna hurt you marry ease off and they turned back to los angeles soon after the sun went down larry singleton pulled off the freeway for a break and followed a deserted wrote down a kenyan saying that he needed to go to the bathroom mary stretch your legs and released herself by the side of the road when she bent down to tie her shoe larry attacked he punched married to the ground beating her senseless then with one hand he dragged her back to the van slid opened the door and shoved her in if you scream he threatened to kill you larry raped mary repeatedly tighter down in the back of the van climbed back into the driver's seat completely naked and drove on a few miles down the road they stopped again cutting her hands loose he told mary that he would let her go if she obey him he handed her a couple of liquor drink it or i'll kill you the drink made mary woozy larry singleton singleton raped her again and mary passed out when she came to larry took her out of the van she pleaded with him begging for her freedom larry forced to to lay on the edge the road terrified mary listened as larry walked back to the van and rummaged around he came back with a hatchet grabbing her left hand he said you want to be free i'll set you free as mary screened larry singleton topped off her left arm then he cut off her right mary thought it would be better if she could only die as mary blood larry dragged her down an embankment he stuffed the naked screaming girl into a large concrete pipe now you're free he told her then he left left mary slipped in and out of consciousness filers when she finally regain her son says she dragged herself out enrolled her suffered arms in the dirt dakota moons in stem the bleeding mary struggle to her feet and stumbled up embankment after walking almost three miles letting the sounds of the traffic guide her back to the freeway naked holding her wounded looms above her head slowed the bleeding and keeps the muscles from slipping out mary reached the road as she walked along the road a red convertible with two men inside slowed she screamed for help but once they got a good look at her they sped off mary kept walking it was morning now another car appeared this time it stopped it was two women on vacation they helped mary rubbing her ones and tunnels they rushed to a nearby airport an ambulance was called oh mary could muster where the words he raped me mary was taken to a hospital they treated her wounds taking pieces of her leg to save her but she would need prosthetic arms but the rest of her life police were impressed by her detailed recollection collection of the traumatic events and thorough description of her attacker from mary's description a composite sketch withdrawn and larry's own neighbor recognized him and immediately called the police lawrence singleton was tracked down and arrested quickly he denied accusations calling mary a ten dollar a night for larry told police that he hadn't done anything to marry someone else had been in the car with them and they had done it that mary had threatened him by saying that if he didn't give her a ride she called the cops and say that he raped her in court mary went into horrifying detail about her rape mutilation and she pointed one of her prosthetic arms at singleton and named him as her attacker the court found lawrence singleton guilty of kidnapping mayhem attempted murder forcible civil rape sodomy enforced oral population but that would not be and mary suffering as well as her physical disability they attack left her with a litany of mental health problems this was made worse when larry singleton with only sentenced to fourteen years in san clinton the maximum sentence at the time in california the judge set upon sentencing if i had the power i would send them to prison for the rest of his natural life lawrence singleton would go on to serve only eight years and four months of his fourteen year sentence before being released the doctor who conducted his psychological stickle evaluation warned because he is so out of touch with his own hostility in anger he remains in elevated threat to other safety inside and outside the prison nevertheless lawrence singleton was paroled for good behavior but the public outcry over his release forced him to move from community to community and lawrence singled and ended up serving out his parole in a rented trailer on the grounds of san quentin prison he outcry also led california legislators to pass tougher sentencing laws he moved to florida mary went into hiding fearing for her life mary spent years battling depression anorexia and were diagnosed with ptsd which calls relentless nightmares being a recluse made holding down the job difficult and without steady employment mary struggled to afford her medical expenses and she ultimately filed for bankruptcy for years she survived mostly off of donations and welfare but lawrence singleton was arrested again in nineteen ninety for petty theft he served a sixty day sentence for stealing a ten dollar disposable camera in the spring of nineteen ninety and later received a two year sentence for stealing a three dollar hat he described himself to the judge as a confused model headed old man after getting out of jail for a second time in the spring of nineteen ninety seven a neighbor called the police to report but his neighbor lawrence singleton was assaulting a woman in his home when police responded they found the body of a woman born singleton had lord thirty one year old prostitute rock sound hayes into his home and murdered her lawrence singleton now seventy admitted to killing hayes who is the mother of three children he said that after he drove her to his home and his band they had sex ate dinner and then had a fight when she tried to take more money from his wallet then the twenty dollars that he agreed upon he stabbed hayes seven times in the face and chest lawrence singled him was found guilty of first degree murder in nineteen ninety eight mary vincent now thirty four testified in the penalty phase of his child what happened in april of nineteen seventy eight the prosecutor asked i was attack she said i was raped in my hands were cut off how he used a hatchet what did he do he left meter die alongside a drainage ditch on the road yes with a man who did this to you lawrence singleton yes separated by twenty years and thousands of miles to women were unrelated except there tragic meeting with lawrence singleton he said urging drivers to recommend the death penalty when mary vincent got into his van he chopped off her arms and through her into a drainage ditch twenty years later with rocks in hayes he did the same same thing but unlike mary vincent she did not survive roxana hayes stabbed repeatedly lingered into unconsciousness and died the defense described singleton isn't honorably normally discharged korean war era military veteran who had lift a fairly productive decent life for his first fifty one years they added this trial is not a matter of vengeance for you to clean up california's mistakes of twenty years ago killing him would not be justice but with the meanest all lawrence singleton was sentenced to death and died of cancer on death row in two thousand one

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Unbalanced doing limited basic after six thirty twenty eight thirty two dollars per month per line without a pay day to day organisation during additions maximum. Zeros. Restrictions apply. From springfield. This is state week a program of analysis and commentary on the events that made news this past week in Illinois state government and politics. Well, the spotlight on abortion rights shines on Illinois today as promised governor, Jay Pritzker signed a sweeping abortion access protection Bill, but not without protests before signing the reproductive health at into law. The governor stressed that abortion bans, endanger, women, adding that Illinois will always be state where women have the right to choose. Let the word go forth today, from this place that if you believe in standing up for women's fundamental rights. Illinois is a beacon of hope in the heart of this nation. We trust women. However, those of those people gathered as well to express their concern, I'll be damned. If you tell me that before exiting the miraculous. Home. That is her mother's womb, that she's not a living, breathing human person. Governor Jay Pritzker followed through on his promise this week, making Illinois. But many consider the most progressive state in the country on reproductive health rights, he signed legislation that deals with abortion and women's health, he'll discuss that issue and more coming up here on state week in Springfield. I'm Shawn Crawford and our panel includes Charlie Wheeler director of the public affairs reporting program at the university of Illinois Springfield and a longtime reporter and stay doubts observer, also with us in our stay house studio, we have Brian Mackey Illinois public radio statehouse, editor. And also joining us this week a couple of our reporters. Maureen McKinney as someone who's been covering state government forests in following this issue and another person who has been also following this topic throughout the legislative session and also a member of that public affairs reporting program, I mentioned, our intern for the last few months, Dana Volmer, both of you have been on this issue. We think both of you for being with us Dana. I'm going to start with you, though, the reproductive health act. That's the official. The name of this legislation. Give us an overview of what this actually does. So people have a better feel for what we're talking about with this legislation. So probably what the law does is make it a fundamental, right? For people to make autonomous decisions about the reproductive health so that includes things like contraception and sterilization, but what's really become the cornerstone of this legislation as access to abortion? So the intense in the first place was to protect abortion rights by repealing laws that we don't currently enforce, but could go back into effect if the federal courts overturn Roe versus Wade, so that includes things like spousal consent for abortion and criminalizing doctors who perform the procedures. So basically the intent was to get those off the books, so that abortion rights are protected in Illinois, regardless of what happens at the federal level. And that was really the, the Lynch pin here of what we were talking about this was going into the session, I think most people thought this was not going to be a topic that. That lawmakers dealt with in probably halfway through the session, it seemed to be stalled out and you know in subcommittee, where a lot of legislation just sets in languishes quite a bit. And suddenly here it comes, and it's one of the first bills that the governor signs after the sessions over. So it had to do more with what was going on not just here in Illinois. But really more across the country. Correct. Yeah. Actually Maureen might be a better option to answer that. But we have been seeing is that red states in the south and also even neighboring states like Missouri really cracking down and either eliminating access to abortions or really restricting the scenarios under which you can get the procedure, Illinois kind of always been known as a safe haven for reproductive health care in the mid west, and that's just kind of solidified our stance. Yeah. Kentucky Indiana to adapted really restrictive laws, the share following in the heels of Alabama. Where they virtually outlawed abortion. And I think that was really the linchpin that kind of kick started the discussion here was there was really total attention in the south to the issue that really whipped up interest in the advocates who are pro abortion, the anti abortion rights activists to brand new, that governor Pritzker being outspoken as he was on this. And in support of it that, that also played a key role in why it started moving in the legislature because of he wasn't going to back. It didn't seem like probably a lot of folks in the general assembly, some folks would not have probably voted for it or did not want to see it come for a vote, but his support it from what I could tell seem to really help. But this over the top, and that's a story. I think we've seen on issue after issue this spring, as compared to years. Past. Certainly, yes, he said as a candidate that he wanted to make Illinois. And I think you referenced this at the beginning of the show, he wanted to make Eleanor quote the most progressive state in the country when it comes to abortion rights and access. And we've seen that, you know, he by being willing to put his name on this. It certainly gives cover to Democrats who might be more nervous about supporting this now. The Democratic Party has been on the decline in southern Illinois in the more conservative parts of the state where you used to have more Democrats who opposed abortion rights, and even in Chicago where you had there were a number of strong Catholic legislators who opposed abortion rights few, oh, what was it probably five six years ago? Now, there was an attempt to push the sort of legislation where you'd require the ultrasound before a woman could access the procedure, and that was pushed by democrat from Chicago, but he retired. Third. Others have been voted out of office. The party has gotten stronger in the suburbs. Where this issue is more divided. I guess, and, and maybe you know, enough Democrats felt they could support this and this wasn't the sort of thing where you needed the supermajority either. But to your to your main point, Sean. Yes. On this issue. I think the governor, you know, his support speaks a lot in it's the same reason as we've said in the past, that we saw a gambling expansion package pass this year when it hasn't for many, many sessions before despite repeated attempts. And surely, of course, we have this big democratic super majorities in the state legislature. But as Brian mentioned, this does not always fall along party lines in historically, that's been the case in Illinois. Well, our history has been kind of. What would you say in a sense, almost like a, a con game in that right after Roe v? Wave was handed down by the US supreme court in the seventies, the Illinois legislature, Republicans and Democrats would pass very restrictive bills dealing with supporting the issue had to be addressed. Because when our old law was stricken by the US supreme court, there were no rules, no regulations. No standards nothing just the plank slate. And both antiabortion and pro choice, people realize there's gotta be some kind of a regulatory framework. So one was put in place, and then for years, the legislature would dutifully pass all kinds of restrictions. And Brian alluded to some of them, they would go and a lot of this happened when Jim Thompson was governor. They go to the governor to governor would veto them. They go back to the legislature, the legislature would override the vetoes the ACLU would go into federal court challenge and the courts would strike down the law, and it was kind of a game in that. Everybody knew what the routine was. And people could go home and tells her right to life groups. Well, we voted for it, and we voted to override, but it was at darn court that did it. And so that was kind of a cover in that sense. In now, the tenor has changed because I think for people who are pro choicers real concern that as the US supreme court has shifted dramatically to the right with President Trump's appointments Roe v. Wade is in real danger of being overturned, and then you see what happened in the southern states where they've probably gone further than anybody would ever imagined. And people who are very much for reproductive rights, realized that we better do something in Illinois, because if Roe v Wade is stricken gown. All these restrictive laws are still there on the books with some of these states next to us marine. That are you touched on that earlier some of these states adopting, much more conservative views, when it comes to abortion legislation more restrictive legislation. What does that mean for Eleanor here is this? I've heard people, of course, on the other side of this thing, this will be the abortion capital at the mid west people will come here to get. Is that is that truly going to happen? Didn't even really be able to talk about that or talked to both the house sponsor Kelly Cassidy, and Melinda Bush, the Senate sponsor, and they had different opinions on that Kelly Cassidy said, really Eleanor already is a haven, because we're surrounded by states that are. Are anti abortion red states and Bush thought, though, it's a shame that people in rural areas are going to have to travel. It is going to increase the visits from people out of state. And that's something, of course that the opponents to abortion have used quite often to say, we don't want people, you know, everybody flooding into Illinois to get abortions. But sure enough than it that may be the case of what takes place net Dana, when we use this term the most progressive legislation, you know, possibly in the country here. Why is that the case here in Illinois? What makes this legislation different from? Maybe another states that, that have less restrictive abortion laws. One of the things I think, is really interesting as we look at the coverage of this Bill was that you often hear that what we're doing is expanding abortion rights, but supporters of the legislation would say that it's simply just codifying what we're already doing so abortion was already allowed up to fetal viability, which is. Generally considered to be twenty four weeks. And then after that, you can still have an abortion, when it's medically necessary for the life and health of the patients. So that didn't change under this legislation. But the definition of health of a patient does, and that's kind of where opponents said it was a little too broad. Because it includes things like emotional health, familial, health and age. It's not entirely clear. What that means something that sponsoring state Representative kit Kelly Cassidy was asked about in committee, and on the floor, and it's seems to be as long as the doctor decides under the accepted standards of clinical care that an abortion is necessary. It can happen at any phase of the pregnancy. And I talked to Elizabeth Nash who files abortion policy for the good macaroni to, to which both supports abortion rights and those research, and reproductive rights, and she told me the what makes own. Annoys law. So progressive is that it covers things beyond abortion, like sterilization, and contraception and pregnancy care is there more legislation coming beyond this, that when it comes to reproductive health, what else is on the horizon. Yeah, I think the parental notification act was overlooked, probably because there was so much attention in this issue that would take away the requirement that parents give permission for abortions for people under eighteen surely might look back. I remember when that was put in place, parental notification before abortion, that seemed to be something that both sides. At least I would say, more moderates in the general assembly felt was something they could vote for in it. And it did pass with Democrats and Republicans voting for that have we. I seen such a shift on this issue through the years that these types of things are going to be revisited and possibly overturn. Well, I think what are the things that made that possible when it past years ago was that there was a provision in there, that would allow a minor woman who deserted an abortion, but was in a familial situation that was really harmful to a fruit sample as an extreme case. She was pregnant with a child that had been impregnated by her father. And she wasn't going to go to the father and ask for permission. There was a judicial bypass where the person could go before a judge. And explain what the circumstances were way she wasn't able to deal with the family and get a, a waiver of that notification. So that provision being part of it. I think was one of the reasons that helped to pass know what's going to happen going forward. I don't know. But there is a kind of a, a move afoot to allow minors. To make more decisions about healthcare if they are mature enough in the eyes of a doctor is of a court and it's not just on reproductive rights. There's also ongoing debate about children of parents who don't believe in vaccinations, allowing Myers of a certain age to get the vaccination without the consent of their parents, Brian, if they do take this up that would likely be in the fall or maybe certainly next spring right in time for these this presidential election and also congressional races that we're going to be seeing around the country and this issue of abortion, and just what is allowed is certainly going to be one of the big key topics of the next election season. It already seems to be that case. Republicans in many a- across the country are taking a look at this right now is me making an issue. Yeah. In our public radio colleague, Dave McKinney at WBZ in Chicago had. Story this week about how the nationally, the Republican party is looking to turn illinois's abortion rights law into a weapon to you know, as they're trying to retake the US house of representatives. And, you know, they as these campaigns do they're encouraging reporters ask, so in so democratic candidate where they stand on Ellen always, you know, abortion law. I think it's interesting, though, that you know, as I think Charlotte, Charlie, how did you refer to release? So there were sort of a, you know, an agreement that this, you know, once I does one thing they know it's unconstitutional than, you know, they count on the courts to sort of the backstop for these laws and that was even true with judicial bypass to some extent. I mean it it was passed. And then it didn't go into force for a decade or more. I don't remember the exact time line, but I know that it was passed. I think in the nineties, but it wasn't until the audits when it finally took effect, because the Illinois supreme court had never put in place, the rules that were. Secetary for this judicial bypass of the entire law was stayed. And then when chief Justice Robert, Bob Thomas was chief Justice. He's a very religious individual. He was heard interviewed on a suburban Christian radio station talking about how he was, you know, one of his things he was going to do is chief was to push these rules through and, and the court did finally, you know with, with a significant personnel change from. When the law had passed originally did put the rules through. And that's how that law is now in effect in Illinois. But there are that, that sort of a microcosm of the way the, the legislative political process has not been the way that this country has dealt with the issue of abortion. And there are activists even on the pro abortion rights side, who say you know what? Maybe, you know, ultimately, if Roe versus Wade, it's kind of a shaky precedent, you know, it's one of these things that depends on the sort of interpreting the constitution and reading things in between the lines of the concert. Petition. Maybe it would be best if that, you know, it might be terrible for individuals in the short term, as you know, abortion was, you know, from their standpoint was less available, but in the long-term if the country really has to wrestle with this through the political process instead of counting on the courts to do it from above. Maybe then you would see a more of a compromise or a more, you know, of a of a real resolution that people could buy into instead of this, you know, perennial battle that, that we have now. Dana wouldn't when we talk about this issue across the country, and I think it was NPR that just had a poll out this week talking about how the majority of Americans feel as though they supports keeping Roe versus Wade in place, keeping that ruling in place, but they do want some restrictions on abortion. Is there a point where Illinois may go too far here? And, you know, go against even when people in what is considered to be a blue state really want on this issue. Yeah. I think opponents argued that maybe what we just signed into law is, again, a little too broad. So we're talking about any of these decisions about when a post by ability abortion, can take places between the patient and the doctor and it is, including things like emotional health, familial health age, which I mentioned earlier, it's kind of unclear to the people that drafted this legislation. And to those of us watching it exactly what that means. And so I think some of the opponents would argue that they're super subjective. You could come up with a reason to perform an abortion post viability for, you know, I think Avery born and really drilled into this idea of meal health being you just decide that you already have three kids and three kids is enough. And so for your familial health, we can perform a post viability abortion, that is not the intent of the Bill and some of the democratic. While makers noted it's. They said it was -fensive to insinuate that a pregnant woman would choose to terminate a pregnancy that far along just because she didn't feel like having the baby or that a doctor would go ahead and perform that procedure if it wasn't actually necessary, so. And I think it's also worth sort of tacking onto that point, when we are talking about these possibilities of abortions very late in a pregnancy. This is a really really small percentage of the abortions, I'm reading online statistic that, you know after the twenty first week, it's something like one point three percent of abortions take place that late into a pregnancy. So this is, you know, the a lot of the argument in, in the passion in this debate is talking about a very small sort of the very edge cases, here, in supporters say that people are not making these decisions lightly and certainly not that late in a pregnancy, Shirley, I'll ask you that same question. Is there a point where even abortion rights supporters may say states like going too far I would suspect, probably not in the what Illinois has basically said, is this is a decision that should be between a woman. In her doctor in as Dana said the doctor following clinical practices, and so it's not going to be done willy nilly, and it's something that innocence. The general assembly is saying, this is a decision a very personal decision for a woman between her and the doctor the medical personnel and politicians really have no business getting engaged or folks who maybe don't agree with choice should not be intruding on something. So personal just a few minutes left here in this week's program. Let me turn to you Brian because state workers, at least some of them got some news that they probably are pretty happy about, and that is that some pay that they are owed from the state of Illinois. It's been in really tied up in the courts for a long period of time here that, that money may actually be at least on its way in the next few months, I guess, even FILA said, yeah. And I'm relying here on. Reporting by friend of the program. Doug thinki- at the state journal register who really took a hard look at this issue this week. These are the step increases sort of longevity pay raises, you get for being in your career in state government. You sort of start out at a lower pay rate in. It's supposed to be that after you put in the time, you're pay keeps going up. Well apps me members had been working under a frozen contract for most of almost the past four years, since the first year of governor rounders administration when he really tried to assert some changes to the state contract. What of the things he also did during that time froze? These so-called step increases, and governor Pritzker came in. He had run as a friend of the working man and said, you know, state workers deserve to be paid in a way that was fair tax payers as well. But he vowed early on that they would get their step back step increases. So again, according to the. State journal register there's some twenty five to thirty thousand state employees who are entitled to some back pay, they should be getting that probably by the end of September. Although there could be some even additional money after that because courts have said, they are supposed to get some interest on, you know, this money they should have had all during that time. So yet another cost of the strains, and impasses and loggerheads, that much of state government found itself in during the the rounder administration. And Brian, of course of the Pritzker administration has apparently struck a deal with apps me regarding a new contract that had been in limbo for number of years as well. So soon that may be in place, a new contract. Yeah, that's right. I, I think we're, we're still waiting to for the, the workers to, to fully ratify that and be able to get a look at those terms. But I don't think anyone is particularly surprised by this again. Governor pritzker. Campaign with strong strong union support. And we're we're seeing the consequences of the voter's choice last year and just saving a minute or so here at the end I mentioned at the start of the show. Dana Volmer has been a public affairs reporting intern for us for the last six months here and day. Now just wanted to get your thoughts on covering. What really was a pretty active legislative session was at more than you expected? I wanted to, you know, get that viewpoint of somebody that stepped into this for the first time. Yeah, I obviously don't have very much to compare it to. And I've heard that previous sessions have been crazy for different reasons. But it was a lot all at once. So, you know, they have months to go through and do all these legislative efforts, but it seems like at least with the big ticket items that really came down to the final week, which I think, in some ways worked in favor of governor. Jay Pritzker anything in other ways did kind of isolates Republicans who have probably already not been feeling very heard. So it was an interesting process and. Just happy to have been here. You have one session down. Nearly have about fifty more to go to match early. So, so good luck for them. Things for thanks for all of your work, and we're going to go now to our notes from the field. And Maureen, let's start with you. Now I talked to Kelly Cassidy and at the end of our interview, she told me that she was still dazed from the craziness of the session, and she forgot the word repeal an of a few days later, she didn't know what to say. When somebody said thanks for joining us. Remember her name? Right. Brian, we've talked before on this program about the new Chicago. Mayor, Lori Lightfoot. She had her second big city council meeting, the Chicago mayor sort of presides over that meeting. And there's a there's a sort of a public comment section, if you will where people get up and often, the politicians would kind of ignore people as they made their little brief speeches and complaints about city government, but. Mayor Lightfoot has been engaging with people, which has surprised a lot of observers up there. And there was based on reporting in politico this week. There was a testy exchange when an official with the Chicago fraternal order of police union went up there and ask the mayor, why the union wasn't included on her transition effort and said, you know, she would have difficulty achieving her goals, and as she has often done with these people who are publicly commenting and challenging her. She says, hey, if the police union wants to do something other than quote, obstruct, and object to reform. I'd be more than willing to meet with you. So taking taking an active approach to her management of the city council issues doing with the city and not afraid to, to punch back when somebody goes after her Charlie will, we've talked about all the huge issues, Dana looted to them that we saw this legislative session another significant issue that. Really hasn't got a lot of attention. Is that the legislature has passed and the governor is expected to sign a law that will require tougher rules on toxic coal ash sites. Now, Illinois has more coal ash ponds, which is the residue from burning coder generator like trysofi than any other state, several dozen that are closed. And the concern is that they contain very harmful materials things like arsenic lead, and that they can Leach out into the groundwater in this law will require. Companies to do cleanup and put in place plans for closing these in the future. And it also assesses fees so that the cost of cleaning up this environmental threat will be born not by tax payers. But by the industry, and I think it's become more more of a concern as we've seen this recent flooding, which has jeopardize the integrity of some of these storage ponds for this very toxic material, and Dana trial, started Monday for the man accused of kidnapping raping and murdering you'll by visiting scholar ING Zhong. There's been some interesting turns already the man, Brent christianson is pleading not guilty. But in their opening statements as defense attorneys said he did. It's the prosecutors also entered at some wiretap tape that his ex girlfriend. Retrieved for them in which he said that he's murdered twelve other women, there is no evidence to substantiate that yet but something to watch. Another interesting thing about this case, is that it's the first death penalty trial in Illinois, since the state abolish the practice in two thousand eleven that's something that's been a little confounding. Jurors and also the activists that really pushed to get death penalty off the books in Illinois of it, because it is a federal trial. The federal government could put him to death if he's found guilty. It will ramp up this week state week, members of our broadcast included, Shirley Wheeler, Brian Mackey, marine McKinney Dana Volmer can get a podcast of our show at NPR Illinois dot org and the production assistance for the program provided by Bob Meyer. I'm Shawn Crawford. You've been listening to state week a program of commentary and analysis of events and Illinois state, politics and government state week is produced in the state capital by public radio station. NPR illinois. This is ideal Illinois public radio. And here is one of the most popular pieces in the gallery. 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Full Episode: Friday, November 15, 2019

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Full Episode: Friday, November 15, 2019

"We have this missing international stint. How did this young visiting scholar just disappear and all you could do is think as a parent? My child is halfway around the world. Nobody knows where they arc. We have about two thousand cameras and she got off the bus right here at this location this eerie video to watch as soon as the the car drives up basically and stocks right by hanging. I'm just thinking don't don't get in the car. Don't get in the car we're dealing with kidnapping that there's someone someone out there posing as an undercover trying to get people in triples certainly didn't fit the profile of a kidnapper. Did you see this. Kim Believes Look at who the kidnapper was in God. We didn't bring all talk. I needed to know where she was white now and find out wrap them. They're having his girlfriend. Wear a wire maybe even risking your life. I'm turning this thing on. It's about twelve twelve. Forty they want her to go. Undercover to girlfriend is scared to death. We see that he was on a group chat tiled abduction WANNA one. It was a fetish the fantasy it was clear this was something he wanted to do. she started. freaking out. Champaign Urbana is in the heart if champaign county where square county right in the middle of East Central Illinois. People what I would call salty people. People who work hard have strong values the University of Illinois straddles. Both cities Champaign Urbana. The story itself plays out essentially on the U. OF HI campus from beginning to it's a beautiful campus at sprawling youtube was developed by our alums soybean was developed as a cash crop here at the the University of Illinois so the roots are no pun intended very deep. I'm a graduate of the University of Illinois. It has V. largest Chinese student population action in the country. There's no other college in the. US that has more Chinese students. And now if you went around campus about this time I swear to God do think here in Beijing because there are so many Asian students in the spring of two thousand sixteen a new person flies from China joining thousands of other Chinese students a brilliant visiting scholar. She was twenty six years old and her name is Yingying Zhang. Yingying was a graduate student from one of the top universities in all of China. She was an academic superstar and she had eight real you zest for experiencing all sorts of different things she travels. She did the Voluntary Union. lobsters singing and She ended a few friends. They formed a pop group called Cute Horse and she was the lead singer. Aw before she came to the. US or friends celebrating birthday and party also became a fair wear party before our journey to the US. She felt that the -versity of Villain woj here was one of the best places she could go in her field of environmental sciences. You to get into a research group here at the University of Illinois. You obviously have to have promised her her tent was to begin a PhD program. Here in the fall being was Applying a position in our lab. She'll go us really excited about without everything air. It's just a it's a new kind of a new world. A new life open to her. She was so new. The only been here for a few weeks and so just ten really had a chance to establish a lot of relationships. She spent lots of time. I'm working or doing research. She also bought a guitar and she said she didn't have a lot of time to play it but it just made her feel like she had a friend in your apartment. Friday June ninth two thousand seventeen just typical beautiful summer day here during the Summer campus is a lot more empty while students are home. Union went to Turner Hall on campus. That morning. June ninth. Yeah it's just a normal day. We kind of a cream some equipment. We have been using so Iran noontime. She told me she. She had to appoint manage Tehran one thirty PM to sign an argument elise so she was living on the south end of campus. What they call the married student student housing complex? She was looking to move to the one north apartments because it would be less expensive and so she'd set up that morning to go to or the one north apartments. Aw later that day over the lunch hour said issue relief for two hours and I said that yeah. It was fine being the and the apartment manager had been texting each other to set up this meeting. When she doesn't show up he takes her back and says where are you Iran one three thirty or four PM? I feel a little bit Jentzsch. Because they shouldn't take too so long about the kind of an employee. Oy just leave. She was a person who was very responsible. Well they became concerned rather quickly and they attempted contact and they couldn't contact her by cell phone after dinner. I went back to the office and to see if she might happy back there but I know so. I thought I'd go to parliament to check. Nobody answered the door so and that moment I thought something must've Dak gone wrong. Then we went to the university. Police Office went in physically in the office. Yeah what did they say at that time because it was Friday evening in the please default. This just happened happen to so often. Like student went missing links typical. We have had students in the past. But they're very rare that they're actually elite that we don't find them immediately and some of her colleagues that are also Grad students came and would literally sit in our front office. Do you think they were feeling. We're not doing enough. I think they were just so concerned for our welfare and they. They had a sense of urgency about it that She needed help. And none of this made sense than I did. Then we just to stay in front of the Department building we stayed maybe and Hugh midnight still. We really taking have any news. This is Mary the next day Saturday June the tenth. I was working here in the newsroom and the phone rang and it was a male friend being and he told me we have this missing seeing international student and I have to admit I kind of rolled my eyes as a crime reporter. We get missing persons reports quite a bit but there. There's something about the way these people were conveying. We think something's wrong. That made me say okay. It will hurt if we run short stories saying that the police are looking for. There was a determination to find her. There's that determination from campus and from law enforcement or officers initially went there Her apartment was a normal condition so she didn't pack up her clothes and she didn't have a car so I assume that she took a bus. So Oh I basically checked with MTV buses in town here to see if she had gotten a bus that's when they started looking at the cameras the buses and to try try to figure out her last movements. We have two thousand cameras so that changed everything. There's probably ten cameras on this bus. Uh when they're they're here the she never yeah and then they discover that an exterior camera on the outside of the bus captures captures Yingying boarding a city bus at about one thirty pm right in front of her apartment inside cameras show her walking toward the back taking a seat. She was captured on video from the bus. That dropped her off. So the buses traveling eastbound from that direction coming coming from the West and she got off the bus right here at this location right despite this bar right here. Switch the next camera that received she got off. The bus came over in this direction. Saw So another bus heading this direction I think. Trying to flag it down I'm not sure if the bus driver saw her and not shoes almost desperate to get them to stop. Yeah based on the video I mean you can tell that. There was a sense of urgency. I'm trying to get their assigned lease so I can have a place to stay. What happens next? Thinks he's stopping nothing there to Collect herself wait on the next bus and still kind of like maybe trying to figure out. Am I gonNa make it in time. We noticed her standing next to a bus stop just south of university and worship. She was just standing. She's feeling anxious. And at that moment. There's something dark is on the horizon. You're looking at somebody who has no clue what is around the corner. Tell me what happened. That day out here. Union Jong was on her way to an apartment complex to sign a lease. She got on a bus from one of the campus housing facilities. She gets off a bus. She gets off on one side of the street her connecting buses on the other side of the street. She misses by seconds surveillance. Video shows running after the bus after two PM that she's at the bus stop. ganging is standing on the corner probably hoping that she can just catch a break then. They make a critical discovery on a camera camera parking garage right across the street from where she was waiting for a bus. No idea out fine where she went till. Yeah Yeah I literally trying to find a needle in a haystack. So here you realize. Here's the needle needle. The camera capture her standing there and when we watch that video further there's a black sedan. That drove fire actually turned in front of her East circle around the block and then and pull up next to him and stopped and it appeared that the driver roll down the passenger side window. And I saw a look inside. It was pretty eerie video to watch as soon as the car drives up basically in substrate binding. I'm just thinking like don't don't get in the car. Don't get into the car but then you see that she walks up to it there. It was a discussion between Yingying and the driver for about a minute and then she eventually got in a car. She opened the passenger side door and got in style shot and then just drove right off camera. The video footage from that camera dramatically changed the scope of the investigation is now. We didn't just have a missing persons this case now. We had a suspect vehicle. She got in the car with a person. Whoever was driving that vehicle? Exactly what happened once you got on a car. We realize allies okay. We're dealing with kidnapping here through that video. We're trying to figure out. Okay what kind of cars you could not see from the distance. Ain't got to pixellated as you go. She could not I get a view of the driver could not get view of the license plate and so the FBI got involved. Vehicles are very unique. Vehicle was was identified as a Saturn Astro which was only produced ver very short timeframe imported into the United States. It's Saturn Astra which is a very rare vehicles. I think if it was a Honda accord Toyota. Camry in Champaign County I would imagine there's probably thousands common vehicles this car. There was only fifty the eight in the state. There is nothing more important than determining who owned the car whether they could make any identification of driver and then go talk to that person the the FBI has been treating this as a kidnapping. Campus police say surveillance video shows. Zor entering a black Saturn Astra vehicle the fact that the police were releasing the video gave it a renewed sense of this is a serious situation the posters of young and the card where we're hung up all around campus students on campus. We're very concerned I'm fear was there amongst the other students here. Whether started to unfold everybody was kind of really really frightened especially the females and Just thinking about how many times you see young females college students walking around in the area by themselves. I think it was a a huge eye opener. I think the biggest series of her disappearance was that somebody did take her. I know there's big talk like a sex trafficking ring. One has to think if there is someone driving around the campus scanning potential victims that someone from the greater community but but certainly not someone was a student at camps. A lot of students don't even have vehicles got more frightening when this British Grad student named Emily Hogan tells police that earlier the same day that Yingying went missing. A man tried to get her into his car. She said White Male in a black sedan. pull up next to her identified himself as an undercover police officer and asked her to get in his car to answer a few questions about things going on in the neighborhood. Emily describe seeing mirrored sunglasses and being shown a badge she declined and then she immediately calls the police. Do you remember hearing anything. Police police scanner. You insure him. Would you be able to say that was in his in the sunglasses and the TAP Hogan is so rattled that she posts about the encounter on facebook. Look this is hours before being kidnapping she warns people. Don't get in a car. Even if they say they are police or have a badge if ganging income just seen that post perhaps she might never have done. It's scary to to know that somebody was out there. It's just driving around wanting to pick got blend into achieve may Gordon with Piji Tala Nelia Catholic across the ocean in China. That video of young and getting into that Black Saturn is seen on Chinese media One of the people watching that was some very very close hanging for serious boyfriend Sheldon Hall. I saw them. I don't know what happened. Osher she getting a car and I also have some bad feelings for phase one. The thing happened and the way inside to you to look for her by ourselves. Eh Boyfriend and her family wanted to do something that the FBI could not do. Just find out for themselves exactly what happened. It's all a in small towns. Eysenck dog just looked like she rushed. Break Down Oh yeah. The the goal was for some of them died definitely hurt Woefully should've going for two missing became much hugest story China now. If you ask ordinary a Chinese citizen by unions name everyone knows about this case this one so much attention because it was from a very ordinary family uncover every detail about gigging. John's background. Tom I traveled thousands of miles away from the American College. Down to the south of China to the town of non paying. Yingying Zhang is from a region of southeast China. When you get there you can see this natural beauty near the mountains surrounded by what is known as the nine Ben River? The main economy in this area is t farming King's hometown of not paying is one of four cities in the country. Uh when I got there the people are so nice. The family welcomed me when I came to their apartment. It was very modest. There was no seating so when I sat down to interview them. We actually had to wear coats moment in June. Two thousand seventeen. What did you hear I? The she was missing. A Little Tai Chi was nothing I shall. She's Muna Genealogy young as we look I mean in the family does not come with Queen means the father was driver for small company. Mom never really an education. She does not read and write so she basically a homemaker. Union Union has a younger brother to all out of school. One he was Middle School Age and he's learning to be a cook smartest one school component because someone was very special from when she was little she enjoys study. She was the bass the student in every school she went to she was my ah assistant for three years. She was friendly positive. And always have Allah cosmonauts She's just precious and chanted smile. That would light up wherever she works. Yingying was the very first member of the family who ever went to university. And that's where she met her boyfriend challenging matter in the first meeting of the classmates I how how deep impression of the of being at that meeting. She has base and Before boys they they were both students they graduated number one and number two shell. NBA Number One and they both went out for Graduate Studies at Talk Picking University which is the equivalent of Chinese. Harvard's there when you look at those videos of being winging being getting into that car. What did you think when you saw that video? I'll one hand. I think we'll be bouncing before will be not not not difficult for them to locate the car and locating days one I nothing happened. Nothing happened and way decided to go to. You have to look for her by ourselves to do. You're on searched. y'All do our own search. You thought police in the University of just was not doing enough. I think we could do better. King's father her boyfriend. Her aunt her mother's sister all came the family family tells me they want to do anything they can to find. Their girl will now give out until we find her. We can't imagine what the emotion would be for family to come the country that never speak the language. Oh Haggar devastated. It was horrible. I mean in all you do is think as a parent. My child is halfway halfway around the world. Nobody knows where they are. I'm GonNa get as close as I can to where she was last seen and I'm going to try to find her. Where being into the bar? How many times do you think the spot many times? I also the thing we can to find her by ourselves. We serve a lot of places around champagne. We got a lot of tapes. One time I saw on facebook it was a woman. I think of Asian descent That receive in Salem Illinois. Which is south of here? You're about seventy five. Miles rushed right down to Salem. Oh Yeah when their show her pictures to the people there this the the goal will hurt some of them given side definitely is her. The family contacted the Salem Police Department which offered checks surveillance video from St Cameras. Search to see if the girl in question was actually union. They have the videos. But I'm voting. That goal was now d- You saw the video who she did not look like being at all from the back Looks like aim abed the That was not your hopes and then suddenly disappear. Yeah yeah this kind of thing happened then. Several times she's a oncein because on the talent is acting nineteen so then it was very frustrating for us so I can't imagine With the family was going through. You know trying to figure out if their daughter is still alive Can they can they find any locator crime. Stoppers is offering forty thousand dollar reward for any information that leads the J it it is the largest reward of its kind ever offered by the organization especially we came up with eighteen vehicles that were persons of interest interests that we wanted to look at the got excited ended up point but then slowed when make contact with those people and we still had nothing. The police always liked to say that it's good. Police work that solves crimes in this case the greatest clue that they could have was right in front of their eyes and the person who found the clue that how crack this case case wasn't an FBI age. He was a campus cop. I watched it for almost I would say somewhere between five and ten minutes of just watching the go forward and backwards and was able to determine that yes. This is something different about this car. I kind of got a little excited. 'cause I'm GonNa hey there's something there. It changed everything. It was a huge moment. Twenty six year old ganging Zang disappear June nine campus. Police say surveillance video shows are entering a black Saturn. Astra vehicle in Urbana that afternoon. Hanging has been missing for days the police. FBI agents are working twenty hour days because they know that they're up against the clock. They know that with each passing hour with each passing day chances of finding diminish. We're working twenty four seven. We weren't seeing our families. We were in some way sleeping just a couple of hours just enough to get back up and go again. All attention came onto that black Saturn Astra lost the license plate. It's driving the vehicle. The video was very grainy. Got To pixellated that you came and could not get a view of the driver could not get a view of the license plate This young lady to be found there were some detectives looking at video footage. So I went in and I asked everything I can do to help. what are you guys looking for. He said we're trying to figure out if we can. You know enhanced this and see the license plate on June fourteenth. I reviewed the video. It was from this camera angle. That's on the electrical computer engineering building and the black vehicles. Actually traveling northbound. How started watching wheels? I noticed that there was something missing here. Defect there was a dark spot. That was missing from the right passenger front hubcap on and then going through. Doing my checks going forward going backward spending a lot more time frame by frame taking a look at it I was able to determine that yes. This is something something different about this car so no one else had seen that before you did. Yeah and then I kinda got a little excited. Because I'm hey there's something there sergeant Carter. Everybody knows that he's he's a car guy. And he has a real close attention to detail and everything and I didn't see it but he did. It was a huge moment that information comes back to the FBI BI that. There's a piece missing from that front right HUBCAP. You could also see that the vehicle had large sunroof which was not observable in some of the other camera footage and FBI agent. He goes through his notes and he realizes the first guy we interviewed. He's car had a center when they initially actually interviewed him he was calm did not appear to be nervous. He said that he was home all day. Playing Video Games in. FBI agent noted well He. We had a sunroof on his car. I sent him back out there with a team. Say if there's a broken hubcap let let us know immediately. And then they went back to that Saturn. Look at the car couple minutes later I get a photo. It's a match. The it was the same hubcap that has been seen on the video. The owner died. Vehicle was Brent Christian. Christiansen Sinn was a young man. Twenty seven who had just completed a Master's program with the University of Illinois and their physics department. He was on the list of teaching assistants who were ranked as excellent by their students. Excuse my t. a teacher assistant for physics mechanics. He seemed. I'm pretty knowledgeable. They seem like you know like any. Ta and Physics Department pretty respectable. Know what they're talking about. What was he like was he? Was He stressed. Was He relaxed. It's the same. Pretty relaxed seem pretty mild. You know he didn't really have. I wouldn't say he had much of a big personality. You know he was married. He lived in our nice apartment on the West Edge. A champagne certainly didn't fit the profile of a kidnapper. A new no criminal history. He has no police contacts tax so there was really nothing significance and his background. I really wanted to talk to Mr Christianson. We knew she got into two his vehicle so our plan was to knock on the door. We wanted to ask if Mr Christmas and be willing to talk to us. I mean it was almost midnight by the time. They had the warrant and assembled a team to go out to his apartment and I just kept saying to myself over and over again. I'm just out loud. I can't believe that it's this easy. I can't can't believe this is how we're going to catch him from that. Cracked Hubcap when we knocked on the door. He seemed maybe a little surprised but was was relatively calm and his demeanor when we enter the apartment we immediately noticed that his wife was on dressed. I don't know why she would answer the door. Were that way. She seemed to be very comfortable. The agents asked her if she would put on clothes because it would make them feel more comfortable one of the things that was in the apartment that there's there's a photograph of our the mered aviator sunglasses that you can actually see a reflection of Christians wife. It's it's interesting because when you see those mirrored sunglasses they're just like the ones that the British students said she saw on the man who tried to talk doc her until this car. I walked through them inside the apartment. He sat down and his kitchen table. I gave him a copy of the warrant. Asked him if he would come in and talk to us or office was just a mile away. He was very nonchalant when he asked him. If he's willing to come down to the station he told his wife he said Larry Everything I've seen. The movies tells me I shouldn't talk to the police. What do you think? And she nonchalantly said he agreed to come and interview with us and so myself and detective stivers drove him to our Champagne FBI office this is voluntary interview. So anytime when you're done we'll all. I really had a sense of urgency that I needed to know where she was like. Now I uh-huh it was close to midnight. Mr Christmas agreed to come and interview with myself and detective style. Persson the university police. We left his apartment and throwback to the FBI headquarters did he look like he was worried. He was very calm. especially the I'm a sign here and then this is Eric Eric in touch with the university. Police we are investigating the disappearance of questions bushes. One of the things as I like to do when I start an interview. He's just have the person tell their story or in. This case retail is story that he had prior told to agents. Do you remember remember. We told him I was either decided naturally out abnormal the way he was answering he didn't and seem very concerned why he was there Most people in that situation might be like. Why are you pulling me out of bed at this time of the morning? Why are we here and and he never really asked him he just Kinda wanted to see what we were going to ask him almost like he felt that he was interviewing you? In a way he wasn't going to provide us anything new and he. You wanted to know what we knew why your suspicion is cars or anything else I mean. That's a large portion of his his car to stivers Sinden. I hadn't interviewed together before doing it. Together we pretty quickly and easily evolved evolved into a softer approach for myself graduated. We sort of in a bit more confrontational approach with detective. Stivers Sun blue that we bring up here starbuck games. CBS brought you up. Here was the car I I was. I was really going after him and it was because I had a sense of urgency that I need to know where she was like now I really press him about the video. You're a student here at the U. of I what do we have everywhere. Cameras cameras with cameras. Everywhere we control Chiasso bus stops. We can look in buses. We can look Harry building down streets and you're telling me that I didn't and see you driving your car and turned earned. Turn on and we still have. You've seen what we've allowed you to see. And then at that point you could see it in his face. The wheels are turning his eyes. Start to flutter I I know that you could turn where did shop office you looking for. Why she's Mr Bus? She told you she so. Where did you drop her off at? And there is a lengthy period of silence. Mr Christianson starts to physically react to that confrontation when he realizes he's at odds with his story. He's almost hyper ventilating like somebody. That's having a panic attack. And one point. He looks over Tony Mr Chris. This look set may almost wanting help almost almost wanting an out and I remember just staring back at them because I wanted to answer as well. I wasn't there to give him an out. This awesome are your and he made an admission. That was like a light bulb going off. He Changes Direction and admits that that he actually had picked up an Asian person in his car. Earlier in that day he had gone from that cool. Calm confident too nervous or low and seemed to desperately be looking for an answer to give. That would explain why she got into his car. Do you remember the girls. Take your what what's early on. I saw Orlando area distress pastor. She can help shorten she says. Oh I did pick up an Asian female and then the information and that he provided pretty much down to you had no doubt at them no doubt in my mind at that point. I knew that he was our guy that it was not only his car for. He was the driver. Christianson was our guy but we still didn't know where being was still didn't know what happened to union. So where did you drop her off. Ticket tonight signed answering questions I try. I knew we had the guy what I struggled with was was being able to prove it keeps arrested for making a false statement to the FBI. He was detained for about twenty four hours but ultimately the US Attorney's Office decided to not prosecute we didn't want hold him in custody because we thought that by releasing him we would have have the opportunity to find the authorities are trying to find her. If she's still alive they have a secret game plan they are. We're GONNA have somebody very close to Christianson go undercover and help them solve the case. Well I know where the more than one outside of like the FBI want he wanted. It is is a parent's nightmare. I mean. Send your kid away to school and then they never come tonight believers Brandt ta. I'm just absolutely blown away. They ask ask Christianson girlfriend to wear wire for that. They want her to go undercover during the entire Walk Tara was recording recording everything that he was saying he s personnel at. Ah Girlfriend is scared to death. They want the find the daughter she disappeared at the University of Illinois and still has not been found alive with as I want to bring home inning. John was last seen on this campus video moving toward late. June of two thousand seventeen this may they have been the most frightening time for students. Faculty residents in Champaign Urbana. You still had a missing woman and nobody knew who was is behind this. There's this image of black car that's been put out in the media. People on campus are wondering is their kidnapper out. They're going to strike Agai- Socialize with the public doesn't know at this point is that authorities have tracked that vehicle to the U. of I.. Physics Grad student named Brett. Chris Initially Christians and said he never left the apartment on June ninth that he was sleeping and playing video games as girl but in that the interrogation he admits that he picked someone up and by the way that person he picked up matches almost to a T.. The House out we knew Christianson was our guy. We still didn't know where bringing was still didn't know what happened to Yang. We thought that by releasing him we would have the opportunity to find the the suspect in this case was not at all some nefarious person from the outside looking in. He's the kind of guy you'd want to bring home to mom and dad. I think it took a lot of people by surprise is because he was a candidate. It didn't I guess what would be considered a normal profile so there was really nothing significance and his background background. And I knew from Wisconsin Bring Christianson was born in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine In Stevens Point Wisconsin in the town of of Stevens Point which is population about twenty. Six thousand people here in Wisconsin. He can't get a a town in different than non family being new. When people talk about Steven's point the first thing that usually POPs APPs up the point brewery we have our own symphony orchestra at three different playhouses? It's not quite Norman Rockwell But it is people come here and they raise their families and the nobody feels unsafe. This of the neighborhood were Brampton new up certainly middle class. You grew up. They were very nice. Very friendly. The kept their yards up their house. Up of the kids were very very mindful. Mom Dad worked real hard NYC was a carpenter the also had a bending route that he ran and the Dow was always always working hard but about mom. She was a little bit more freely little bit more outgoing and very hard working inning again. It still has birthdays when you're all day. Typical brothers that was always picking on Brett. Burt wouldn't fight right back. And I had to warn my way. Watch out he's getting bigger. What's the history of typical kid really highly intelligent able to teach Marie on you know before kindergarten read right mass no problem? They have all learned on his own without not training when he was in grade school. He was in a gifted program so really he had a fairly really good upbringing. He has no aggression. Very gentle very private My sons my daughter myself depend on logic and so we can shove firm ocean stone. He did have night terrors that he would wake up in the middle of the night. There was one incident where he tried to jump off the second floor. Porch grant into the street into a car. That was passing by and sent him to the hospital. The neurologist who is a specialist and sleep disorders orders told me this is something odd. He mentioned perfect storm. That it's probably would never ever happen again. What was he like when he was in high school? I guess I could call him a loner type. He was the invisible guy except for the handful of times that he and his friends decided. Decide to just be goofy and class goofy goofy one time coordinated with a friend outside of class to burst in Uh in the middle of the hour to just have a lightsaber fight with plastic lightsaber. I this is his graduate. Yeah your book. So brand decided take a scanned picture from a roller coaster ride. This is kind of person that was in class with me. I mean he was kind. I never goof after Christianson leave school. He meets Michelle who had also gone to the same high school. They began dating relationship unshipped and very fast. What did you think of the show intelligent? She was good for him. He needed somebody intellectual He got admitted to the white to attempt to obtain his PhD. They're one of the top programs in the country that you feel that he news at the top of his game absolutely nothing but good things I mean here. He was doing something that I really did. He was a professional student by two thousand sixteen. His coursework is going down the tubes. He decides that the doctoral program. He's not gonNA make it. So we downshifts to graduate ACHMET degree while he's failing identically. There are suddenly cracks in his marriage when he's drinking too much he's wife. Michelle has had. She gave the option of open marriage instead of divorce. That's why he agreed to. It is basically an ultimatum and he did not want to lose her. You you mentioned that there's another gashing semesters relationship should terrible S. is Frank Russians girlfriends. He found her on a dating website after him and his wife lighten and decided to go into open relationship. Terrible person in the in. The local Champaign Urbana community. She would say she's had a hard. Life was a very very honest and forthright person Lou. At ten o'clock here. The family of a Missing University of Illinois scholar from China is pleading for help. Tara was interviewed by agents on June fifteenth and gave a very thorough interview. Very open and cooperative live and wanted to help in any manner she could authorities. Don't have the Goods Upright Christianson so they throw somewhat of a Hail Mary. They ask Christians his girlfriend terrible is to wear a wire for that. They want her to go undercover against not just her boyfriend but a man that the authorities authorities have now considered to be the prime suspect in the kidnapping and improbable death of a job. This is Tara. It's Thursday the twenty second at five twenty five and he should be coming over around five thirty so I'm turning it on Mystery at U. of I what really happened to a visiting scholar from China who disappeared from campus the best and perhaps only opportunity. We had to have someone who could interact directly with British really was terrible the FBI call Tara in because she was the closest person Christianson. She came in voluntarily and sat and answered questions. This is a girlfriend girlfriend. This is somebody who has an intimate relationship with. She was conflicted because she loved Breckenridge during the conversation with terra. We've approached her. With the idea of wearing a wire and recording future conversations with Christianson she was willing to cooperate because it would either exonerate him or it would help find. We have the girlfriend. WHO's wearing awhile? Girlfriend is scared to death. This was a very risky escape proposition. From the very beginning if he were to determine that she's also involved in this at this point in a private moment in their bedroom in a a car. He very easily taken her out. There is always concerns with having a confidential source that's going going undercover. We felt pretty good because Christianson was under twenty four hour surveillance turning this thing on. It's about twelve forty. I am going to go see on the porch. The way the recordings progress the first few there is little evidence towards the crime necessarily surly. I have already done more than I had to for them. And I was repaid by. I want to find this girl. He makes the common meant to her that he wants to clear his name with the FBI. So eight days after unions disappearance Christianson voluntarily goes goes back into that. FBI Office you see. He gives a very similar story. About how just mixed up his days and how. He just wanted to to help this woman. She started freaking out. She was reading here hair. Where am I I? Stop sending cards art. Then she got. I remember the residential area. Would you maybe it'd be well after this carbon sort of takes through the areas is that kind of refreshes your revelation. So he agreed to go out with them drive around the area north of where he had picked her up to try to identify specific location where he had let her out of his or he directed them in all sorts of different directions. B basically took them on a wild goose chase. I think he went in with the attention of trying. To clear here is name. He was more of a suspect after the Indiana seventeen after the second interview with Frank Christensen the FBI let it be known publicly that they had his car found that Black Saturn. The won't say where it was found or who it belongs to. That must've been a key moment in his mind if he had any thoughts that he was going to control the situation. They went out the window at that point. Why would they release that? I like so the kept the INFO. Because that enormous the real culprits to north of the kiss like for instance they knew nothing to do. camellias is similar to the undercover tapes. Have really gone nowhere. Initially he doesn't say anything incriminating and that all of the sudden there's an event that will change the direction of the case on June twenty nine twenty seventeen. There is a vigil in honor of being. This event was established to try to bring more awareness and try to help find her bring Christianson Christianson was still in contact with terrible. That morning texted her and told her that he wanted to go to the memorial walk. He showed up at a vigil for the woman was accused of kidnapping six forty six on Thursday June tony ninth benefit for the walk and Brennan of alcohol and he is drinking rallies here spine spine near Eh. The fact that he wanted to go to her memorial walk was very odd so when Christensen and his girlfriend are walking along in that visual A. W. CIA news crew. got a very quick shot from behind it turns out during the entire fire walk. Tara was recording everything that he was saying. He said everyone is here for me. He made commerce out during the walk. It took Tony Days. It's long and hard journey for me and for the whole family. Shaolin had a song that he had written for Jagna. And at this this memorial he played that song for the crowd. That's huge and at the end of that song beckons stood up and started cheering clapping. Thank you guys so much coming down here for the walk said Christianson not just slowly clapped his hands. He stayed in his seat and he just slowly clapped. Do It really was an insight into the depth of Brent Kristiansen's depravity. He describes how people are coming coming up to him thanking him for being here. Thank me like just think about that. Just percents in how they want him in the middle of that. Visual is girlfriend with the F. B. I. Recording Device Suddenly years exactly what happened the Yingying Joan. She was I remember getting home. mm-hmm that night I couldn't sleep close to midnight my phone rings and it's my supervisor. When he goes tears here we're listening to the recording and Christianson admits on the recording that he killed hanging in unholy terror was very upset when she was with us in our office? On the day of the memorial walk. She was very frightened many times. She was very scared many times crying. Just shake in and this really impacted her. The things that were said to her. It will never find you emily year because with those emissions we believe that we had enough evidence to now arrest him for for kidnapping we start tonight with breaking news the FBI within the hour announcing charges against a man accused of kidnapping news of the charges shocking. To those who knew Christianson finding out Brian Christianson was a student. made the situation a little more scary. He was going to class. Here is going to work here. I reached out to one of my friends randomly. Hey did you see this believers like this brand that's our TA. This is a a tax you sent to one of the other students in the class. I'm saying look who the kidnapper was. And he's like. Oh my God I say isn't an insane. Brent was the kidnapper. I'm just absolutely blown away. I spent most of June thirtieth drafting a criminal criminal complaint authorizing his arrest. Investigators Believe Missing Student Union Jong is dead and knowing that I was the agent who wrote that it really struck me because I had to then go and be with her family so Sorry it can tag when you first heard this name Brendt Christensen. What did what did you think at that moment to? Some I love with Johnson. How will you on the we? The MOTOMACHI claim. The name of all had anything also in cold I love this. Christensen has no criminal history and has pleaded not guilty. Christianson is charged federally one count of kidnapping resulting in death to counts of lying to the FBI while Christopherson is in jail. He has multiple phone calls with his family. which are all recorded? He tells his mother Ellen he had nothing to do with the disappearance offer national Wondering what they're taking. All the the truth will come up but at the time Christmas family just had no idea what was actually said on that recording at the visual. You strongly believe that he was innocent when you first heard it was not the brand new. Oh no print couldn't have done that. That does not fall within his character at all as we continue to move the case forward the defense turns over to us. This march twenty first counseling. He went to the university counseling center and to see what he could do to save his marriage. He talked with intern counselor who interviewed him for about an hour and because she was an intern she took a video video of it was the it's gone on for years. He described himself as Kinda lonely. Noaa and despair have probably has oppression persons house teenager Ortiz family the friends over our Christian's Christian's wife is fed up with their relationship and wants a quote Unquote Open Marriage Christensen meets terrible is and then what happens next leads to a new direction for Christmas and she is into the fetish community and she brings him into that. Fold the agents learn from examining prince film that he now he was on this fat life website which is a website that individuals various fetishes can get on and have various discussions And and so we see that he was on a group chat and tiled abduction WanNa one and it revealed in there he was talking to a woman about something called a consensual abduction and when he described how he was going to take her put her in a large Duffel bag duct tape her mouth and then put her in the either the back seat or or the career of his car than he actually was just visiting these sites just a few times over all the contact with one of the person that was it there are individuals no doubt who were on their who for them it was a fetish a fantasy but something they wouldn't act out for print Christopherson with a large Duffel bag that he discussed on the website he actually purchased richest. It was clear this was something he wanted to do. There's an avalanche of seemingly incriminating evidence against Brent Christians but he sticks to his guns he maintains this is innocent. Didn't do anything well. But at Christianson style the victim's family would hear something no parent should ever ever have to hear believable supernatural father and brother. I kind of wish that they would just take off. The headphones it laid may gains means family and loved ones came to the US to attend the trial. been doing in the United States and she wanted to make sure in their dreams. They want their daughter order or they want the remains. It may be that. This trial brings to closure mm-hmm bread Chris and goes on trial for his life in Peoria Federal Court outside the courthouse hundreds demanding justice for Zang and her family in June twelfth. Two thousand nine hundred opening statements Peoria federal courthouse. It's two years and three days. Since Yang disappeared and Brent Christianson is on trial life. The government is seeking the federal death penalty in a state where capital punishment has been abolished. This is a federal capital case. And that's extremely rare to begin with the death. Penalty at a state level was abolished years earlier. But the prosecutors wanted to put Christianson on death. Row It's a cavernous courtroom bread Christians sitting at the defense table fixing the jury. Every family is sitting in the front left side of the Gallery in Christian since field division. They were very solemn STOIC and yes they could look at him but he I don't think would ever try and make eye contact with them during the opening statement. Simple simple phrases. I repeated several times. was He kidnapped her he murdered. He covered up his crime prosecutor in star witness Christian since girlfriend terribleness terrible as arrives to court flanked by FBI agents. He didn't WanNa look at her at all. There was an opportunity when she would sail right past him and he would still keep his eyes down. She testifies to the relationship that they had. The prosecution takes her through the relationship through her decision to wear a wire for the FBI. Terrible us. She's a hero case. I believe that she did an incredible job testifying. I mean you can imagine how hard that was during cross examination. Listen as the defense astro numerous questions and attacked her. They said when he started dating Tara that's when he linked sex and violence in his mind signed. And maybe that's what propelled him to go. Farther down this path. Maybe she was the catalyst that made him think about these things. Any claim that Tara bullets led him to do this as preposterous. The evidence shows that he was already making these plans long before we met terrible. Her testimony was crucial but it was what she did recording conversations surreptitiously of Christianson that became the cornerstone of the case. It's the the jury is hearing these details. They're wearing headphones. There's a transcript playing in the courtroom and of the recording. I'm sitting behind Gina's father and brother or listening on headphones to a translation of the recording. Joke Evil Supernatural Hong. It locked curator. And it's a bad. Yeah Yeah Schilling human. Being first of all could do what he said he did. Go to another human being but even more chilling that he could describe what he did with such pleasure he ultimately Says to Tara on that recording that he decapitated union along with the father and brother. I kind of wish wish they would just take off the headphones but they didn't. They absorbed every single word. And it was heartbreaking with us But what was on that tape just got even more horrific recorded evidence that Christmas and may not have killed just one person but many people eh rethinking he just admitted to being a serial killer Inside the puree a federal courthouse a recording has been played of brand Christianson not only admitting to killing union but boasting that he had killed before. Keith the past personnel level. At either you have a bonafide serial killer you better find. There's other victims or he's just following a path of lies and deceit. When we heard that we took that very seriously so the FBI ran down all the leads? They could looked back at the places that he had lived looked for missing persons at those locations. Ultimately we cannot find any other victims. That's not saying that there aren't any but we've never been able to find any other victims. The defense USC early on admitted that Christianson had kidnapped and killed Yingying but they said because he lied about killing those twelve other victims victims. You can't believe all of those horrible details heard on those tapes the defensive these were the ramblings of a drunk man that he was balancing these statements that he was performing for terrible. Do half of what he said. It wasn't as horrendous. I'm sure Kellyanne. Somebody's but it wasn't as prosecution around the difference between the claim of twelve other victims and not being able to corroborate that and thus what he did a union than not being truthful. He doesn't match with the evidence obtained from the apartment. He describes hitting her in the head with baseball bat have her DNA on the baseball. We have her blood her. DNA on the mattresses on the floor boards underneath the bed. Who knew that his wife was going to be out of town for the weekend? Huge dramatic cleaned Madonna. drywall going all the way down. Baseboard we got video of him. Going to a local Walmart is he purchased large amounts of drain l.. He purchased swiffer with her pads. He purchased garbage bags. There's a mountain of evidence against Christianson. Not Alive question about whether or not he's guilty MM-HMM I think the jury delivering Ed for about ninety minutes before coming back. Yeah didn't have to wait around that loan. And then the guilty verdict came and it was for her when it came time for the penalty phase of the case the does kick it into the whole new emotional level on the part of the defense attorneys to tryin spare his life the prosecution would have you believe that brand Christianson Johnson is a singular predator. The defense portrayed him as a man drowning in pain take videos of him blowing out as first birthday candle playing the piano. They also talked about. The history of mental will health issues in his family. Lost Control wasn't Brent. Dining wasn't anyone. It makes no sense. I believe there is evil people to evil things and that he allowed himself to go down the starter pack. The jury deliberated for about eight hours over the course of today's read the sentence. There's no Yannis decision so the default it was to give him life in prison. It was not being Jones. Family head waited two years for the result today seem to encouraging people to do cries and me myself. We'll never agree with that. Oh you were furious with the the penalty did not happen. The MAURY fustrated Maure is point. You would like to kill him a yes if I have a child chooses you clichy all the Gola meeting meal. Eating saw COQUITLAM justice to unions. Family is the death penalty for Brent. Christianson may leave disappointed. But there's something else that comes out in court that outrages them it has to do with his visit to the White House. When Christianson went to the Counseling Center and eleven weeks before a kidnap gang? He was required to fill out this intake form. One of the questions is have you had homicidal title or suicidal thoughts and he checked the box. Yes the counselor. Intern asked him for a little bit. More information about that. Others plus harming others doc form serious. Humidity's these horrible critising talks about how he bought items that could be using the disposal of the body purchases it then he said but I'm not having these thoughts anymore. I'm done with these things but obviously he wasn't done with Ah. The intern did flag Christianson case and to specialize university counselors met with them. They offered Christianson different treatment. Options options including a follow visit but he never showed up. It certainly raises questions about whether or not somebody should have done. Something more with this information. Could they have prevented this murder but they're just gone public with central five thing. They can do something to stop Tom The whole case but they did so you might be. They do have a huge red flag angry. That could have been prevented that it wasn't necessary. Just eleven weeks. Prior to King's disappearance Brennan Hidden sought counseling with the school. Yeah I can't talk about anything that's a that's an aspect of the case. I'm sorry I know it's a sensitive one but that's that's really all I can say that. Yeah you can't talk about. Ask sorry I don't think they can deny liability the causing center and their stem. That's why we filed a civil level lawsuit naming two employees of the Housing Center. The counselors are trying to dismiss the suit saying that their actions uh-huh did not put in danger. The university recently sent us a statement saying it will defend the social workers named in the civil suit and that it's confident they followed best practices in mental health care After everything that has happened after all of the courtroom action who despite the lawsuit as displayed displayed Christensen being locked up for life. The family wants it traditional Chinese burial. It's something out with a new dog. And he's a Brent right now in prison. He knows everything about the family. Wanting one thing in their life to bring peace to where they walk ought to find somebody and their daughter we would you ask him to do so right now. He's been told not by own well. It's not something right now. I can't say anything. Welcome Mike. Richardson later leader called us to say there would soon be a revelation about the whereabouts of unions body whereas Christianson Feilipe leave offers up some information but will it offer things family solves the trial Silas over but the sense of this case being over. Is that pretty much. Everybody is still just kind of wondering. Wears yang-yang hangings family boyfriend were told about what he did with unions remains before the the trial Christmases attorneys went to the government and told them exactly where Christians and said he had put hangings body and those were not not on the record conversations. It couldn't be released publicly so that's why it was held in closed confidence and came out only after the trial was completed after killing hanging John on June. Nine two thousand seventeen. He placed her bodily remains in three separate garbage bags the next day June tenth two thousand seventeen. He plays those garbage bags in the dumpster immediately outside his apartment building the hauler would take it to the landfill in Danville. polential Joel says that the area is probably the size of half of a football field. By the time they provided that information and it's almost eighteen months after she would have been placed in the landfill. There's thirty feet of fill on top of the area where the trash would have been dumped at the time we know that he lied to the FBI so when he says this stuff. Can you go to the bank on it. Can you send hundreds of people out there to search and have him back in his cell laughing to me it just adds to the tragedy and yet you got. The family still wants to find the body family. Ever let this go. I think the only way for us to find some comfort and and the whole case is to find romance Remember life of a beautiful young lady. Who made her family very proud? A friend who was kind joyful caring sharing and giving then told Don assuming ninety thousand they actually brought in a casket and they put games starting in it and at the end of the service and of private burial jinks Garden Family went back to China but without unions body. And that's never going to be a culture for unions mother and father buzzsaw bundled with somebody Difficult for you to lose pictures now. Talk and Charlene. Lost the only woman then that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with you asked her to marry you. Land to gain berating Tober of these things so he wrote software and the name of the song is Joel. All right now I still feel she sounds all surrounding me issue Onto the university is pleased that the search after Ying Missing and they found out Darry most part in the book. It's written in Chinese but the very last line was English Union road. Life is too short to be ordinary Sadly authorities tell us it would be next to impossible to ever find her remains but Yingying will never never be forgotten by her many friends and her family. That's our program for tonight. I made me Rohbock for David and all of us here at twenty twenty good night. It's finally here here. You can download the Disney plus APP right now and start streaming the best of Disney Pixar Marvel Star Wars and National Geographic ad free. And wherever whenever you want them for more go to Disney plus dot com.

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Side Stories: Extraterrestrial Terrorists

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Side Stories: Extraterrestrial Terrorists

"There's no place to escape to see a loss from the left side cannibalism started george yeah a man australia what are we gonna start every single podcast and we do from australia with man australia where we gotta else what else do we say we could say how much i i don't know we are in a studio in australia that has windows but look right out to the street yes they're making money off you know what i like to do is look at my henry look this is like hamster damn if every one that was in the red light district windows were just chubby polish man i believe it would be called amsterdam every boy has the price price you're disgusted literally ask you what how much money do you let you do oh no no what let's do it don't be gross about i'm not being gross so derby grow no but how much money would it take take for you to suck man's penis oh this is like whatever you eighth grade idaho's we gotta figure out what a dark in forty nine it's not that big of a deal the do anyway but i will just say 'em i will it's really not that big ten million bucks wow my local high ball that title i don't know you're gonna suck it i don't know ten million dollars shame just a must i'll just have a moustache he honestly idled we might do that i'm gonna shave and just they have a moustache and i think it's a great idea thank you thank you so much all right number one side stories through the stores around the side guy bed with beautiful poll is henry's browse gate yeah that you know we have at eight bowl last year last year in australia we were in perth that was dope is held up folks crazy lot of while times and then adelaide like legitimately beautiful place we wish we had more time there yes and it's the mirror their capital of australia or at the very least be in name it's the murder capital of australia they had a lot of pride a lot of pressure how many people were murdered in adelaide yeah which i understand i understand it's it's nice it's nice to have laurel and saying there's something out there and talk about it wisconsin is like we got beer we got cheese and then adelaide is like we got barrels fulla body like i ate a lot of meat last night we had a wonderful steak dinner what was the name of that joy the meat in wine company which sounds sort of like the spaghetti factory factory spaghetti factory in vancouver is that right i know all of the factory restaurant how do you know that i some reason my brand log exam interesting like that's where a hardworking man works any he has to that's called big company meal or family meal but i had insane nightmares last night you did from the from the meat sweats well i had one dream that i was working for elvis page older and he got a big circular with a bunch of nude women i was supposed to serve him food in a bad so you were this survey but this is a dream world so you could have just been elvis or you could have been like elvis like you know here we have all these women in the winter like henry dreamworld henry but instead you were just a waiter i deserve whatever my brain's give me i feel like it's it's unfortunate i feel like i do lifted i'm already living a dream sure i'm living in fantastic life so you gotta have the flip it out you gotta change it up in dreams so i could learn some well i actually had a dream last night will get to a couple of creepy tales here in a moment but i had a dream last night that i killed someone someone that i knew and i'd be headed them and all this stuff and i buried them and the whole thing with me trying to cover it all up who was at i know faceless nameless entity you knew that you knew them i knew that i knew them you know have a dream works i kept my parents in a dream not too long ago i know i think it's every time they ask you for money subconsciously you just hate them more and more and more i think it does really breed bad dreams about you folks i asked my therapists and she said it's all about stuff it is all about winning so therapists are by the way just because of my dream it was very exciting i got away with it why because the person wasn't dad sdn weird although they did not have had what they could still talk fucking terrifying it was weird i died white therapists is justin eight pm outside of a bank of america and i talk about messengers jump up on the screen american psycho right you know what these teams have now and i actually i'm not against it but they got the donation for charity eight pm i feel like it's one last little like guilt like can you just pray button it works of course every single time that we've been to the american cancer society to the heart society i've given to dog obviously all animal hsbc eight parents however we pulling money out to do drink exactly so it's like it's not like i'm getting money out to go and save my family's farm any money to go put booze system so i could give you two dollars and quite frankly i think that's the smartest thing they could be doing because you're already take the money out the guilty yeah you're always going to be doing something a vice whether you're at a casino a going to adult club going to a bar louis people work on credit card or tell now or van mo they don't you don't need a lot of cash for a lot of things will we actually were hanging out with this dude by the way this tour you you know we oftentimes joke about how we are just libyan wayne's world yeah and it is a blessing and we're very thankful but we are fully on now to wayne's world two yes and that dream came to fruition with are tour manager named simon he's in trouble off any told the story about how we work with judas priest and sent me an animal that ron saying he's like he's out so in the original originally you know like davis you know rob you should go out they he he used to actually roll it is that you can go to the point where you can't held up the ball like anymore and i'm dropped by yeah he could go up the old man and he said it's like someone got a bunch of land together and then we like pick up the bike end just throw william byron the behind the scenes world of rock and roll is just the best simon thank you so much if you're listening you abed kick ass this door in a year tales are absolutely freaking hilarious what i am learning is musicians might not be the most organized people i mean are we compared to musicians it's weird because i really do think the musicians have their shit less together then comedians comedians are are less emotionally available yeah i think that's where are problems are where comedian a lotta times when i'm alone and hotel room it's like oh fuck i moisturizer bottle ola i cover myself with chocolate alone around like a musician that they're fucking random people and having crazy adventures in most of the time my default is in the room yes new watcher whenever local game show is have yes in my brain halfway through a hang out maybe around ten pm eleven pm volume remotely close hungry i do start to fantasize about what i'm gonna order i'm going to be a low i chat i just love it i just think about my foods yeah where am i gonna go tonight night look at these losers they're all the new way of meat eating whatever it is i wanna eat that i was at school but also we've had food vendors you guys have would have had patients with me and have chosen to allow me to have some food adventures along with you which is nice absolutely we add i do not try the kangaroo yet and i will look they have is sluggish now i don't even know i honestly don't know if it's a thing no i don't think the people i mean i'm sure some places eat slug although i haven't seen any slogan stick here i had a sub meal worms not too long ago and they're delicious full of protein this is gonna be your protein in the future i know what's happening but anyway we are just having a blast andy is been wonderful to see everyone down undock and i learned a lot about rugby score that's called a try that's four points and then they get a kick as two point six points and then the show a lot of male butts do they kick it between like posts yeah between up rights but tighter tighter of redskins bounce it once and catch it and then they kick it to each other after bouncer ticket and then they don't have to balance it to pass it but they can't pass and forty gonna pass backwards and then they beat the living hell out of each other anonymously it makes me wish that we didn't american football needs should just be right but you know when they get the ball they jumped into like a square right that's what they get the point well that's if they have to do a scrum scrum is when they all have sex i actually do think we're 'cause we were talking about this we saw a bunch of rugby boys it's got off the plane oh yeah there are some big headache point there soccer players because it's so they have like athletic mobility of a soccer player so they're shredded and then they have to be as strong and add trial as like an amateur wrestler combined with a football player so if i was a woman yeah i understand the desire to be with the perfect meal athletic specimen so jet but the brain the brain is what's really important kissel we have right the tower where he can have that yeah you could have all the the beautiful man meet you on the world you know what that guy oh yeah he's great in bad insurance fix there's a lot of money on all yeah we got a lot of stuff right can he do a pseudo all right well let's let's just speaking of you know i was almost gonna make this guy hero of the week but i can't encourage this activity henry frankly we cannot anchorages activity anyway she performed because it is still a bomb threat no no let's not we'll talk about it yeah i have a feeling all right from henry's gotta bob drugstore you're the second with this story just reminded me of dave matthews band do you remember when dnb what's going over the bridge and they they drained they're toilet over the bridge in chicago sky watcher you everyone on the boat well it's happened again but the first the perpetrator is not nearly as famous nor are they vowed literally this story is a paragraph log so this is from the bbc news you're a navy man calls his injuries on berlin boat it identified mad at urinated from the low line the jet bridge onto a tourist boat is is which is the most direct oh what did that oh oh look you know i love catching up the first few raindrops that's what my daddy said if you catch you first few raindrops then other i hear all this berlin i think that they drink pestle that they might who knows they're always having fun a number of people on board of the boat jumped up in surprise it in their heads as the boat passed onto the bridge for people for people were taken to the hospital with head lacerations you know what i i get really jumped but no one knows who this guy was created by the rest he just creating total chaos on that boat chaos all over the both in everybody's like well you know what the urinating first of all he's got sober no idea he totally redone the same article we are be like draw some people believe that people would do something like this not meanwhile he's like passing his pen i mean it's hard to know where the past i feel like also pointed piss on about you know you're gonna say you know what you're looking at so i think so what are the odds of you know just go ahead and go yeah but this is just a little tour tourist boat i mean it's still a boat yeah i would no matter how hammered i am i would at least give a scam so i'm not passing onto these hats of eight cop i would at least look over a little bit and so i do feel like it might be pointedly done and i expect experienced the same sort of treatment when we go to berlin yes oh absolutely that's why i'm not gonna get on the boats but i will drink and walk over a bridge and see if i can't be the lucky month the lucky man who gets to a year because we know for a fact this is a man no yes this is what this male privilege where we could actually whip it out mp over a bridge it's the strongest most powerful woman to ever less who pass in a pure arc from the back of her vagina out in front of her like a skunk you wonder if there's any ladies that can do 'cause i know there are layers of the campus in urinals and i've seen them you know what i mean backup they put their like oh hold on the side of they pass completely perpendicular their bodies what i'm saying like if you go girl i love it yeah i mean you've seen all those documentary documentary footage i believe ken burns burns with three always my favorite it was a love civil war baseball a jazz and pass pass like this groundbreaking the history of patio the first guy to pass the first gotta drink pass oh did you watch people play videos back in the day you did some golden showers heavier into it i mean i dunno i mean it's a it's a it's a wild time out there in the in the mean streets of porn hub any hot liquid this fun i i enjoy fun do porn warren a well you know you've got a bunch of like food insects though no i actually don't really understand the food insects thing and that is the one thing whenever i'm talking about that's because when you eat food aid is sex fermi for me yeah yes because you do have like you do have i guarantee you the bare bones that come off of your body when you see just the like the the way guitar we had yesterday yes that was like eight experience that i felt the same newroz neurons firing yes i have even said like it it is true it is very similar to me i watch it i do sometimes feel like eight cheetah i do when when foods coming out when the waiters got the food like steak popped out last night i do sort of feel like dennis rader in the closet sure they're keeping a key all right rock rock cars that's the thing with dennis rader you know he could never actually stay rock hard so he was always kind of a happy 'cause he's in impotent little piece of crap all time he's like man i wish i was hard right now that we have just sitting watching being like why can't why are why are and i hard right now this is like when i should be hard well we know for a fact the man who you're needed off the bridge was not hard because urinating well a wreck is impossible to yeah this woken up with the morning burn pits minutes i don't think they kind of europe the press you're boehner down to get to the edge of the ram well a no don't i i believe it has to well this is not cock talk 'em yeah you know because you can't physically that's because the penis is full of blood so you cannot have full blood it's only give you start piston with the boehner you're gonna start piston blood to be you gotta pee if you really gotta go i think if the peak i just i don't know i do know i don't know i know i have to but i think it does often just so i've been rock turnout bead i don't think you can be i have it are you talking about aliens talking about me speaking of aliens stories incredible man arrested after police say he he made explosive device in order to talk to police about aliens of this was done by sixty nine news i follow a it's coming out of myers town piaget authorities say a man man place they homemade bomb outside the hotel in lebanon county police arrested twenty eight year old david oxen riders sunday they say he made an explosive device he left it in the parking lot at bonnie house in myers town the hotel owner contacted state police after oxen writer at told them he had made an explosive device which was inside his apartment and he told them he said hey it's outside so so this guy literally he makes this device and he's like got a balmy you're like like ace ventura jim carey when he's got the little box with the dog right in the doesn't he said he has a bomb here something like that ace ventura when he's got the package i got a packers people said not a bomb i dunno okay i mean you could you back in the day you could joke about it you could but not anymore no you can't make any fricken jokes and people get really really i heard that oxen writer place the device beside a dumpster after the hotel manager told him to remove it from the building 'cause he called and i got a bomb inside of my up in i'm in a hotel and i have a bomb in my room which is it's it's you know when you wanna get out of there i guess it's a dumb idea accident state police arrived on scene the bombers disabled and no one was hurt thirty residents of the hotel is real yes oh yes dirty residence at the hotel had been evacuated due to fears of secondary devices oxnard told state police he had not intended to hurt anyone and he only wants to talk to police about what he said were experiences experiences with aliens in newark police oxen writer said he had an encounter with ufo's ship aliens he says he aliens have told him humans need this start being good people or else they will be destroyed would they nuclear laser beam lemon county prison so now he's been held in lemon county prison which god knows what happens we've seen lemon party lebanon lebanon laminate yeah lemon lemon party that's how they how they all right y'all live don't hang up and they will be going 'em so this man he just wants to talk to the cops alien abduction that early experienced but couldn't teach just not do the bomb thing yeah just talked to the cops or is is the bomb thing actually something that was supposed to be in the ferries and dangerous and he's just using this alien thing is a cover up i think he might not be all their i think ab ab couple a ruse short of a pack i think he is a he tried to bridge after the place which he said they probably wouldn't take his experience seriously and so he felt he needed to really get people's attention ahah which is then he went all the way to make any real bomb to do it but that is the that's the weird part because he could have also publicly deprecated if you wanna speak with officers he could have stolen any series of different candies from a grocery store and then the confrontation with police officers we've seen this extreme reaction before you remember the name guitarist cannibal corpse i believe yes when he also had a public meltdown in one talking about the truth about ufo's i totally we've been talking about this for a while yeah talked about with dan ackroyd we talked about it a little may revisit this concept of does seeing an alien make you insane order you have to be insane insane alien what ryan i held my favorite version of the truth is that all of this is real and then he is currently being contacted by miss gbs elements on the other side they're like yeah i don't new makeup bomb they'll take you seriously if you make up bob and he's like really and they're like aliens at the first people they actually contacted were isis radicalize now the aliens are radicalizing people here so it's an alien terror is this the first alien terrorist we've we've had so far in this country unless you do believe it all aliens are terrorists do believe that that's part of what these obstruction experiences which is essentially space rape so with this guy i just don't i do have a problem with what he said what the aliens aliens like you all are being mean to each other so if you don't stop being mean to each other were going to explode you what the nuclear laser beam which is not really how that would work well well we doesn't it seem like they're being mean that yeah so i feel like it's logically wouldn't be aliens just be like when you're nice to each other we will be nice to you and as long as long as user mean to each other you'll never fully understand what piece could look like because we won't busier planet there's a common there's many common threads right where a lot of times introduction scenarios where people say they talked to entities that have given them a breakdown of what will happen happened to the human race if we don't change our ways because it really depends on what you believe about his relationship to us because there have always been here have aliens have always been a part of our in raised us and help create us other is the whole alien agenda storyline reptilians came in created us out of the primitive apes and they made humans in order to work for them and then we've always been embroiled in space strong right or have ufo's not shown up until the mid nineteen forties when we basically came online with the nuclear age and that kind of brought their attention towards us and there's a lot of people that believe that that i think it's it's conversely one other this is a this is this belief that if they start talking to us in the nineteen forties and they want us specifically warn us about are nuclear devices ivy like this guy this guy should go into i think the term is the looney house you go into the the booboo down like he needs some way dome is another term for yeah he needs to go we i think this is the correct by do their seven sit many people during an abduction experience have had alien 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bundy red flag data over and you don't even need to wait for the check you're allowed to get up and leave you could tell my idol is ted bundy is really really it's it's hard fucking dead money i the thing that always makes me weird when people's being like ted bundy it's my spirit animal like the whole spirit oh that is that's almost worse because it's cute it's disgusting and that is not that is these people as we know are not to be idolized there were a bunch of pathetic more rounds but this is a sad story about this a student named yang yang then she i was a student at the university of illinois at this monster ended up kidnapping her he raped her he murdered her andy he did it again because he loved ted bundy so this is a twenty nine year old student instructor andy duct torio canada prosecutors say he's been living a double life in he had in a duck shin fantasy he told his girlfriend a which is amazing it's always incredible these these people have girl i mean honestly if you you manager figure i guess it's because like all these guys they pay compartmentalize it and they they believe they have this one festering dark idea that day let's say dormant until it it comes comes knocking at the fucking conscious yeah yeah i will say though i don't think he comport demolish compartmentalize and parts of mental comfort this very well because he would talk to his girlfriend about how he would love to kill and raping all this kind of horrible stuff so his girlfriend to her credit was like i think i'm gonna put a wire between my muslim and just let's see what he says she did she did we're wired herself did she did it yes so this is according to his girlfriend a he told her that missed saying again so sad with his thirteenth victim and that quote she was apparently very good at this ever so sadly the family of saying went to illinois in were like hey man we really want are the body and this monster said quote the family won't leave until she eastbound well they're going to leave empty handed because they will never find her his girlfriend tara bolas prodded him along to keep talking because she was wearing the wire but evidently brave ass woman well on anyone they already i think he was in custody at this point so he's going to face a potentially a life sentence or the death penalty a punishment that federal prosecutors in thanks family or seeking but christianson himself avidly salt sought to hold so he's not like you know there is some obviously this is all horrible but there is something about a serial killer it'd be like give me the death penalty like what didn't pans ram one day i wanna die we had the we had him who definitely wanna die we had israeli keys definitely wanna die but the problem is it is d it's hard because i hate given them anything they say so i'm happier and i'm not actually for the death penalty but yeah world where we do have the death penalty i am actually happier if he does get it that he doesn't want it yeah that's the way it should work yeah you should get whatever it is you don't want you're a serial killer absolutely so this is according to a defense attorney george f pass f a he says it will be startling for many of you here brent christianson is responsible for the death of yang yang he goes on to say so in the so in view of what i just said some of you maybe asking why are we having a travel in the first why are we having eight trial in this first stage d answer to that is that brett christianson is on trial for his life so they're saying she moved at illinois twentysix from china pursuing a doctoral degree in crop science is hoping the later returned in china and teach at the university a federal prosecutor eugene miller says she didn't know before she even came to this country the defendant had gone down this dark path that led to this very moment so this guy's a monster 'em wunderle said you know because i don't really run that way i'd love to hear from someone who is an expert like either anybody who works as a dog people really a very intense expertise and they got some world how the fuck do you actually negotiate and talk about what their partner these these things like the concept of having a dark abduction fantasies well is there a way to safely express these feelings in these these fucking these impulse well we have a lot of listeners who do you know a lot of other play dumb play again whether whatever we were you know if you like the the p play whatever you wanna do i don't have time like this are you show up dressed as a fuck a police officer and you do all the weird rape fantasy or is there is my understanding as a lot of very strict rules for example if someone's like i don't do anal you cannot you like that is that is in rural uganda it's still in the safe words i think they really it's very regimented sex in a in a strange irony well philly in many ways i'm honestly if you're already constricted might all be mentally construct as well it'd be like dangerous it's it's scary territory but i think at the border where they like it well i like to smile smile when you have said you don't think that's extremely so you're just joining like a shark going i sometimes on the inside but i like that be having a good time well of course but to them that is a good time screaming would be my guess so i guess that's what they want whatever i just i can't imagine like i'm on a roller coaster but it's like coming off the rails well henry henry his own able experience on the flight over here when it turns out the year butthole were sitting on the seat will how how many times we have to talk about in in in my art how many times i express the fact that i have no asked me much maybe minutae have legitimately nobody and honestly i i do my legs now now i lift weights simon squat medusa squeezed which i hope the book coming in nothing that truly it's opposite i'm getting like fools on the site event that means there's muscle forming around it just if you laid me down and put a hotdog right on my fucking crack it looked like a little sweet little coney island her really a little a little under a little bit yeah it's a little like good sleep too little brioche slider buttons my problem is is that i i when i sit for a really long time i knew the fifteen hour flight don shirley who's gonna be very uncomfortable i knew it was so your mentally prepare yourself a little bit but i was sitting on my fucking room for fifth teed hours yes which is bad enough but it turns out it wasn't just the seat your city were sitting for about four those on the buckle i am still honestly i still kind of fancy defense because you see where it's not solid stainless steel for four hours american made american thank god when i sat on the book i'm sitting there because the first thing i'd be like oh god my fucking bus ride part i'm good and then for those really own own ugly this is a good place they have they have great healthcare here i'm not going to the australian doctor no it's free you know the guys dickerson it's not america but no i thankfully wasn't bleeding from nassau great well just back to the store only this monster christianson first opened up about his ideas of abducting and killing a random person to university counselors in march of two thousand seventeen nothing i think really anything i think that when they say they want to abducted murder i'm fairly certain they own the counselors take kind of goes out the window like you need to go seek help he said he was feeling suicidal because his wife one until leave him because he couldn't get a handle on his drinking and his drug use so he just dropped out of his doctoral program to be to take masters track instead will maintaining his teaching position which i don't get how this guy got a teaching position but this is according to miller tells you this is how desperately they need teachers i guess we're they are going to for teachers next thing you know we're gonna have a dog a teacher oh they were like why did i know you think i'm not good enough to be the glass i failed but that's gonna kill me if you're like me all people just fucking die hard at harvard law professor apparently he talked to this counselor he said serial killer bundy fascinated him and this is what she said she said he admitted that he had gone pretty far down the path of thinking about duct killing someone including how to do it at admitted identify the type of person he would have shows so this is in april easter frequenting forum on the internet called a duck shin one oh one a website from me dsm battersea boy that's the girlfriend whom he met on okay cupid if you are on it get off of it please god okay cupid sm version of that yes with the permission of his wife had introduced him to the world of beady sm prosecutors say on the forum he joined chats about quote 'perfect abduction fantasy end quote planning the kidnapping he wrote on line that he would buy a duffel bag big enough to fit body inside and soon with his wife went out of town for the weekend in june he bought one off the internet so this is interesting though henry this woman talking about there it's like remember the cannibal cop i was just about to bring that up i i i am staunchly against going after somebody for thought cry exact right i understand you could have a dark paul absolutely shark tank you're gonna have these things and that's it's completely entirely appropriate if you handle it correct absolutely all stays in the fantasy realm an insect and consensual sex plagues but fruit these guys i just can't help but feel that it's a slippery slope as soon as you go into the subduction world and being like it does get to a point where they're they're it's like a dog it's like when people it's like when people like the guy this is a total non sequitur but the point is like the guy who tackled bret hart at his hall of fame induction speech literally thought he was gonna be like i'm gonna be under ww we know i've done it it's like they have a disconnect from realize well he must be truly mentally philly or this guy is truly mentally ill the cannibal cop you know i don't know obviously everything he did was was fake so just a quick recap on the cannibal copy it was a police officer he would go on these web sites that talked about cannibalism eating women and stuff that but now what put him into these other realm of possibility was is this guy gotta do this in other words where she bought all of those ropes he bought that shit so then people and he also did look up because police obviously we have a lot of information at our fingertips he illegally used please profiles improve please databases to potentially find victims of what he would do but then but then he never did it right but it was all about making his fantasy see real or unreal unreal aaron reeler at what point windows it tip they said well let's see i think the tip is are you mentally ill or not or asshole are not like are you do have psychopathic tendencies are you fucking right in front of you have these things that can end up like when you truly a can't discern reality and fantasy where you get a glimpse inside of iran fantasy that you can't see the edges of it i feel like that's the that's the true difference were this fucking piece of shit obviously got lost he lost in the fantasy i am i'm going to go out on a limb and say i don't think he has other victims i think he's going to do this and extended fantasy that then it saying what we talk about a little bit of bundy himself which is ted bundy probably exaggerated his own crime we don't know whether or not he really did necrophiliac your feelings of we take we take it did he did right and we last left we believe that at least fifty to seventy five percent it is william it's one of the rare times where when it comes to talking to a sociopath i give them the benefit of the doubt they're like oh you you fuck the severed head of a corpse up okay i guess so but it seems to me there's also a psychological like he gets psychological pleasure from saying even something it's fake about the crimes that he's done because he gets the reaction that he wants where he actually gets off on or people going oh my god they don't control the narrative of his entire are created equal fucking de andy version of his serial killer life where he is created a backstory created a series of victims and all this stuff and he really just will evidently so he told this therapists again miller that he was gonna clean up like i'm capable of clean up all the evidence and stuff well turns out that was also alive he eliminated every trace of the crime that he could think of drain the blood that went down the bat a bleach the blood on the carpet and the bedroom walls but he forgot a heat but he forgot a few things he did not clean behind the baseboard any did not clean under the carpet and that's where the police found a this pour for victims blood and they also found is disgusting eight louisville slugger baseball bat the blood was nearly invisible but there but it was on there too so it looks like he did something with a baseball bat talking about with the family murders a lot of horrible horrible shit happening which i can't take objects yes police ended up a list enlisting his girlfriend at that point and that's when the f b i put a wire on her at a in thankfully this monster is called before i do believe he would have killed thirteen people up so i think you need to know who's really excited about it i just think that i don't think he did it i think it was all first talk yeah because you just have to really let yourself go to be a serial killer and honestly i don't wanna do it i love teacher specifically a college professors different college professors could be an ego trip we've all had some college professors you're just like you're not guy i understand it in this room during this ninety minutes you're you're the guy but a lot of them to be completely pretentious in up their own asshole and think they really are like they buy into their own bullshit especially have you been reading long enough about serial killers and you really do you think they're fucking cool like you think it's really cool to be a serial killer space this shit we have is one of the with this other story that i think is really interesting a disc i a so this is out of this on from who tv dot com out of lincoln nebraska this murder suspects slashes own throat in nebraska courtroom fucking kind of metal in a way oil the guy's a mobster but yeah so i omaha nebraska nebraska man accused of killing a twenty four year old woman slash his own throat in the middle of his murder trial at the ceiling county courthouse monday morning according to k mtv aubrey child shouted bailey is it is it costs you before he slashed his neck and fell from a wheelchair during court proceedings trail was likely referencing twenty five year old bailey boswell who's also been charged with first degree murder in the gruesome death and dismemberment of twenty four year old glue boswell is awaiting trial he swiped what may have been eight pen across his neck deputies and others rushed to help trail as he lay on the courtroom florin wilbur medics wheels amount of the courthouse gurney unloaded him into an ambulance give medical aid it's unclear what trails injuries and when the child my resume so this dude is gonna lift so evidently prosecutors say loop stats plant abduction end killing kind of going back that seems to be the theme that but trails attorney says loops killing was an accident that occurred as she trail and boswell played out consensual sex fantasy again man you gotta be careful what did you have got to be careful in obviously this man stabbing himself in the neck with he yeah pen i mean i don't think they're giving you a silver where i'm pretty sure lunches and being served in the courtroom i'm actually really very surprised we don't see more of this what just people like sort of leaking out in the middle of the fucking like like do it in vienna style you can get into some you two polls is a matter of fact we were talking about this yesterday and this is why i talked about this on able gonna stop at all the time criminal justice reform is they must we must get better as a country because it is horrible what's going on right now but if you do get into eupol of sentencing videos you will it is the saddest thing you can do northside and fuck y'all up really some of these people are lassos and other these people just got into a fistfight at a bar in some of these folks are just in in in situations that they couldn't avoid it or they made a mistake at all of us have made mistakes in life so we have the the real monsters and then a lot of the people who are you guys are getting their own riley deeply punished for something thing that they're being made an example lover some fucking horrible shall we just over sentences all yeah so we so if you get into a huge eupol it is really interesting to see freak outs in court because the judge will literally be like do it again and then the person will do it again about ten more years do it again twenty more you like they just throw these numbers out enforce a lot of these defendants many of them are very young 'em they don't like when i was eighteen i didn't know what twenty years was no no clue you're talking about with bonnie and clyde would they thought they were gonna like were gonna die we're gonna do we're gonna go this weekend this lifestyle today buckingham palace and it's like you're twenty one years old who hillary no fucking clue what that means yes at seventy one you're like i would love to have a more so yeah anyway those were a couple of news stories will get the hero of the week in a second but we've got a couple of a fun little letters here in henry has won this room hey no guarantee that his hand to me on this one goes out to marcus really alright went to the store on thursday this is from me is there for ten greenie text okay all right went to the store on thursday about a half gallon jar of pickles loved one is soon as i get home tastes good man that that so good i decided i'll have a few more walk back to my computer and start to work but they urged is not sated by a long shot come back to life giving pickle jar civil more time eat several pickles each time after an hour the jar is empty four hundred percent of my daily sodium never tasted so good minutes later i hearing turning in my stomach rumbling sound like the noise in an old tub makes when you suddenly pull the drain sprint to bathroom mode barely get my ass on the toilet is a fucking waterfall emerges from my at my wife had relief in horror urban such close bedfellows after about ten seconds of continuous flow subsides to a trickle stops for the water is green and smells like vinegar oh my god he didn't even try to digest that shit clean up and go back to computer thinking hey that's over not even close though via it's later the rumbling as back even louder this time sprint the bathroom lather rinse repeat this happens five more fucking time oh i only all gone stomach is concave i've never had scored inside my body completely clean out q rumble set of toilet but it's different this time i know there's nothing in their shit shit out eight tiny amount of liquid immediately feel better well i guess there were just one tiny bit left there was a so all of one all at once the burning fire of a thousand young sunset support my angel sprinter i just shut out pure stomach acid ethically white but my astor event at feira melting away like a spaceship like the spaceship for an alien oh crawling shower turn cold water on full blast protocol generally sobbing eventually towel offered crawl exhausted and tibet at three in the afternoon sleeper sleep per fourteen hours in retrospect it was all totally worth it i love me some pickle good pickles story speaking of boop boop a this story was said to me this is actually from read it but it was sent to me approval listener on our side stories l p o t l a g mail dot com lookout vince mcmahon one shot himself in chase briscoe around backstage okay this is a story so the genesis is that okay so again for those that don't know jerry britain gerald briscoe he works with vincent man he's a long long time dude in the professional wrestling industry so vince just shot himself so why deter all happen evidently jim ross went on opie nancy's radio show and just like totally spilled the beans on this and everyone's like inside source told the story was well back over a decade ago when when vince was doing that he'll character he did he was mystery mad stone cold air i was kick ass up so evidently gerald briscoe he was he was working the gorilla position which is the dude who times out all the segments basically just make sure the show is moving right on time because obviously these events are alive and you gotta have it tight so before going out for his little segment vincent man went over to gerald briscoe and try to fart in his face one sixty five year old man so he tries to far in his old buddy space but accidentally shit himself and will sell more stories like this on my kind of fun a wrestling podcast vince went over the briscoe space accidentally shot himself he went to the ring for his segment did it with no problem the brown staying with visible in the back of his guy keypads and the camera people were all aware but been there shoot it yeah story told the way the story was told at the time is that when he came back he must have changed closed and was holding the loaded old pants he tried to chase briscoe down with them to make him bomb at triple h crap briscoe held him in place so he couldn't get away but briscoe used one of his old immature moves in reversed add a scape because his thoughts taking them off it is running down no holes attempting to i assume puts the new kid in space that is due of mind sir i cannot wait again kind of fun july first we're gonna have a little fifteen minute episode just introduce myself in katie dark sue is awesome but will tell wrestling stories like that because god the door or a lot there are a lot especially with him it's like i hear so many stories about him 'cause i knew people who wrote the w w e v yeah what a fucking nightmare did he really was okay well i think it's time for a hero of the week what do you think henry i think so i think there's a couple of things you know i wanna say thank you to the people who reach out to actually told me the process of how i could buy of tommy gun you gotta you gotta get a class three weapons license and then you could actually get it and then you also go there a place where you're gonna rent tommy gun in just shoot it once you do that yeah maybe were doing that maybe for marcus is bachelor party oh kennesaw he doesn't listen to this is a good way to do this great idea he's listening to this he doesn't listen you don't hear us talk oh he do that we could actually that's that's good wow tommy gun bachelor all right great well we figured that out so easy it's also nice 'cause it gets us out of camping that's well we could happen shoot the gun no he won't i don't wanna camp you wanna glenn will clamp how's that going if there is in la hindley just one man one just one way man i know you're a member kids you'll be a look at offer one recordings station if hero of the week and this week zero is doctor mira wada pepsi she won't change her name just make other people happy marijuana pepsi's mother told her that her birth name would take her place says she wasn't wrong after after a life spent being mocked for her unusual name this forty seven this forty six year old seized on her experienced earned a phd in higher education leadership as of last week marijuana pepsi is now doctor mero wanna wanna pepsi i'm really really happy that she kept it absolutely say anything about how that fucking happen her mom just set you wanna give her unique name and maybe they both marijuana in love pepsi so they named the daughter after the things they love hey there it is there is no consideration for a human life you know what she's doing great and honestly she's great yeah right you gotta you gotta marry obviously just called herself mary's the shortest way more or a wanna that you wanna find offering for your name it's fucking if you want a man oh yeah yeah yeah but this is marijuana pepsi for her dissertation she a it was titled black names in white classrooms teacher behaviors in student perceptions and she said it is where she says the people are treated differently with distinctively black names i'm not sure if this is a distinctive black name or distinctive white name or distinctive asian am i think marijuana pepsi holds a lot of that but the point is obviously made so she told npr a lot of other people were thinking my mom was smoking marijuana drinking pepsi but she so in the black community were used to having names that are more cultural again i'm not sure i don't know how by hold drill buddy evidently they i it's interesting where you could just i mean anybody named anything that's honestly my father very well could have named me budweiser without a doubt if you named it after what he truly loves besides me but aside the fact that i am a junior they did love am i will say her mom who also gave birth to daughters robyn kimberly but when we're at our water pepsi so she is the hero of the week because she did not bad due to the pressures of others is they were making fun of her name and she said you know what instead i should go become a doctor so congratulations doctor marijuana pepsi you are the hero of the week dude it's fucking great herself as a all right everyone will thank you all so much for listening we have just again we can't say it enough you're probably sick of hearing no we're just so were obsessed we haven't done this yet performing live so we have no clue we've never traveled like this is absolutely insane you come across the world and people actually gave a shit about say on the other side of the planet at italy humbling and very intense it is it's such a dream come true and we don't take any of this experience for granted because this is a once in a lifetime thing and it's just such a thrill to be able travel with are best friends in in i dunno where literally you honestly i'm so scared of the fifteen hour trip back for my for one whole is already is there a thank britain for put that on there no that's just gonna make my fucking asshole stick to my underwear and then i'm gonna get a big greece stain i'm gonna look like i shut my pay like vince big man yeah so look i'm the old oleo days only oh yeah free chips i remember the old leakage which is there anybody out there who works where i'm like i don't know what industry this would be maybe a diet tree something is there like a little pillow not doing 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"So he spent over a year in prison after being falsely accused of sexual abuse george cardinal pill shares of the second part of his story prison journal volume to reacts citizen. Vatican news francis announces major changes to canon law governing sex abuse by clerics the papal pasta robert royal and father gerald murray returned with in-depth announces and china arrests. A catholic bishop along with his priests. Why is the vatican so silent president of the population research institute. Stephen mosier is here with an update. Finally a tough new law protecting the unborn has been adopted in texas on. The border crisis continues to intensify. How should the feds respond a lieutenant governor of texas. Dan patrick tells the world over begins right now. Now raymond arroyo a warm welcome to all of you joining us in the united states and the world over. What a show. We have for you tonight. If you'd like to comment send me a tweet. Him at raymond royal lots to cover. Let's begin in twenty seventeen cardinal. George pill left. The vatican secretary for the economy to face charges of sexual molestation allegedly occurring in his melbourne cathedral in the one thousand nine hundred ninety s after a mistrial in two thousand eighteen a second trial unanimously convicted. He was sentenced to six years in prison. Cardinal pell was then incarcerated for four hundred and four days until australia's high court unanimously acquitted and released him in april of twenty twenty. He joins us now to share his latest work. Prison journal. volume to the state. Court rejects the appeal. We discussed breaking news from the vatican as well. Here's my exclusive interview with george cardinal pell from our bureau. Enroll your eminence. Thank you for being here in your new book prison journal volume to you're right about how someone had a dream and they contacted with and they predicted that you would be free. You write in your diary as someone who's innately skeptical but believe strongly in the reality of the supernatural. I would have been surprised if the situation panned out as predicted. I knew to from my reading of the slightest number of inexplicable events and coincidences whether they'd be paranormal or supernatural but that even in miraculous apparitions eeg. Fatima the specifics. The detailed predictions can be wrong. How did you feel the moment you learned. You had lost that appeal in august of twenty nineteen. What was the first thing that went through. Your mind added. I feel well enormously Disappointed I thought it was Logically inexplicable they wasn't inclined to doubt it or think it was surreal. It was intensely disappointing and It was one of a series of reverses. So i i must confess that stage i. I didn't estimate the judicial processes very highly at all How did prayer sustain you through this period your eminence. It had to be very difficult Considering i mean you knew you were innocent. And yet this steamroller kept kept moving forward. I received an enormous amount of prayer support. I had so many people praying for me that i wondered whether it was overkill. So i i remember praying to the good gods to. We'll look they might be too many people praying for me but you can read this redistribute these things. I was followed a commonsense daily Rule of life my prayers Exercise the sleep Watch the television read wrote so the grace builds on nature and with a bit of common sense living that Better helps you maintain your equilibrium. And i think undoubtedly All the prayers and the knowledge that i had so much support that was a stabilizing factor to one of the juliette. Ironies of your prosecution was the total media blackout imposed by the court. It forbade coverage of your case. Now they claimed they did so to prevent news of one trial affecting the jury pool or the outcome of the other trial. You were being tried in two localities. What does this say about the australian judicial system. Will i think it was a reasonable a reasonable decision. It didn't work to my advantage. Because once the facts of The accusations became public Public scepticism grew enormously. But i had the threat of a another trial and they didn't want to prejudice my chances. They're now those Those cases were a good number of them were thrown out by the magistrate. The others were thrown out by the by the judge as not worthy of Going forward but the the basic decision is explicable in terms of normal judicial practice. But it didn't work at it. my favorite. In december pope francis formerly stripped the vatican secretary of state of its financial assets and real estate holdings. Now this went into effect in february. Was this a good move toward financial reform in your estimation. Well it depends. Of course how it's mandy done to the new regime but the old regime was so fantastically incompetent at least that and i'm not sure whether they ever had official authority to manage such a amounts. I'm not sure under vatican ever had the the right do own property in their own name which helps explain them by the wind into these funny partnerships. So no no. I think it's definitely a step in the right direction about the holy father said that an investment board will be set up that is Manned by expert in investing These things can be done man. I think his name was fencing. Just died recently. He was in charge of the patrimony university. For twenty years. He averaged twelve and a half percent gain a year. The vatican has lost hundreds of millions over. The last twenty years hasn't gained. Yeah they need. They certainly need outside help. What is the vatican need to do. In your estimation to handle finances. I mean pope. Francis recently ordered a ten percent pay cut for cardinals and he's looking to cut elsewhere to peers. Well they're running a very significant It was established inbuilt deficit twenty or twenty five million when i left In seventeen it's ballooned out to fifty. It might be seventy seventy five this year When you're got an annual budget of three hundred three hundred and fifty million he you can't be losing fifty million a year. Something has got to give and on top of that There's the pressure on the pension fund. Which will become quite significant Suddenly in ten years time so these situation has to be rationalized in in some way while you were in prison the german bishops launched their sonata. Away what did you think when you heard that. They were preparing to discuss for two years. Four main issues. The way powers exercised in the church sexual morality the priesthood and the role of women. I think the german churches At a crossroads they have to choose to be seven and defenders and teaches of the apostolic tradition. So they stand onto the would've got under revelation under the teaching of jesus the apostles all they choose another path and say that we are the masters of that tradition and we can change the teaching. Now identity whether abortion euthanasia or on the books by not about Certainly they wanted to change the teaching on Some do on sexual morality by blessing. Ama- sexual unions They object to the tough teachings of jesus on adultery against marriage. They seem to have a different list of qualities that are necessary for the fruit rule. Reception of the sacraments. Different from that of some bull and some of them would Want to have an older of women priests now and we kinda a german set of the ten commandments. And we can't have a A set of women priests in germany and nowhere. Nowhere else so these things have to be have to be resolved. And i think the situation should be explained as as basically as i have explained it so that people just know what is happening. I recently asked cardinal mueller. Who is on the program. His thoughts on what's happening in the german church and you know they're defying the vatican in so many areas. Here's what he had to say. The catholic judge of christians or christians have to follow the word of god and this is a form of harassment. Not only of schism of harrity. Your reaction cardinal pell. A record number of catholics have abandoned the church In recent years two hundred and seventy two thousand plus people leaving in two thousand nineteen Your thoughts on whether the vatican should intervene at this point will the role of the papacy is to maintain church unity. And it's to maintain church unity around the teachings of of jesus and whether we'll whether they will cross the rubicon as they say i'm not sure they will. I think people going to system they would lose the the right to chech- texas I know how it will be resolved. I hope the worst will be avoided about the role of the the papacy. And it's a concern for all the bishops because makinson festival with iran church but with the universal church the role of the papacy is to maintain unity. I wanna get your reaction to the reports that We're reading in italian periodicals that the pope may undo some more important than benedict the sixteenth moto proprio allowing wide use of the old roman rite of the mass. The extraordinary right at the discretion of the priests would it be a good idea to curtail the celebration of that. The old right the extraordinary right or mighty create more division. I think it would be most unfortunate. That would be Counterproductive it's been An area of unexpected drugs growth many people very attached to that beautiful form of worship. I don't anticipate that they will be restrictions off. Okay well we here. We'll we'll keep an eye on that since your return to rome your eminence. You've witnessed this vatican financial scandal that you long suspected in may uk judge set bail of one point six million for gianluigi towards the italian businessman who helped broker that vatican purchase of london investment property and earlier this year british judge blasted vatican prosecutors for making appalling misrepresentations to the court about their investigation into the holy see's investment deal. Do you think we know the whole truth of this scandal at this point. No i don't think. I said he doesn't. I don't think. I don't know how many people do. But i did say to one significant vatican official. For god's sake get good lawyers who can present the case Adequately and well you know we. We want the truth. Nothing more than the truth. Everybody's got a right to due process whether it's taught see your cardinal bevilacqua to the man down the call the woman down the corner where lawful society in ju- processes essential. Before i let you go. I do want to wish you a happy birthday. You turn eighty on june eighth now by turning eighty you lose your right to vote in future conclaves. Any feelings on this forced roman curial tradition. And now i think a sensible Tradition i with the advance of medicine. You might make a case for it to be extended a little bit but it's alleged that when the poeple the ext introduced to limit it was prompted by the fact that one of the presumably older cardinals voted fo- cardinal merry del valle. Who had been dead for thirty years so I and also i think the responsibility but church leaders ship remains with the people who are the leaders not with the people who were the leaders. So i'm basically in favor of the of the regulation. I always have been and now that i'm about to ninety remind of that same mind. Well i hope they still consult with their their cardinals. Who can't vote because you are inside this is so important and has been certainly during last two conclaves Before we end the pope is announced a rolling senate. If you will that will take place over several years. Where they'll be a local senate continental senate and then the bishops will come to rome and it really is senate on synods. Does this go a bit too. Far with senate i mean. Is there a limit to how how long and far you should keep consulting. Now we're consulting about the consultation. Well we'll just see where this goes. I mean where we hope if we're wearing a covert world of course it's not at all practical but in a post covid world Travel will be limited. Money will be limited and so I think that this is i'm not even sure that there is a topic that is Getting to be discussed in the senate. So i think that that will be Rolled out very slowly. But we'll just see what comes. It's very early days on that okay. We'll watch together your eminence. Thank you for being with us. Prison journal volume two by george. Cardinal pell published by the press is available now at bookstores everywhere and online at wt an rc. Dot com cardinal. Thank you for being here. Thank you very much. Thank you prison journal. Volume to the state. Court rejects the appeal by george cardinal pell published by ignatius press is available now in bookstores everywhere and online at wtn. Rc dot com. The papal posse is up next. But first pope. Francis is urging the faithful around the world to pray during the month of june for young men and women preparing for marriage. Francis released a video june first announcing his prayer intentions for the month titled the beauty of matrimony. Let us pray for young people. He says who are preparing for marriage with the support of christian community maybe grow in love with generosity faithfulness and patience and on this journey of life the bride and groom are not alone. Cheeses accompanies here with in-depth analysis of all of this and much more is the papal policy editor in chief of the catholic thing dot. Org and saint john. Henry newman visiting chair at thomas. More college robert. Royal and from manhattan canon lawyer and priest of the archdiocese of new york. Father gerald murray jones. Thank you for being here. We wanted to have you back because there was so much we couldn't get to last week. I wanna start with some breaking news earlier this week. Pope francis announced the most sweeping changes to canon law in nearly forty years. The revision of book six which covers penal sanctions in the church imposes much stricter rules and penalties dealing with sexual abuse. They also address clerics who commit fraud or attempt illicit activities like attempting to ordain women priests father. How significant are these changes themselves. It's significant raymond of because it's bringing into the actual code legislation which the pope's had enacted This pope and his predecessors over the course of the last forty years particularly for instance regarding ordination of women And then different kinda different laws regarding sexual abuse committed by clerics. What's important i think. In the general view and perspective is the reaffirmation that as part of the mission of the church she must use coercive penal means in order to protect the common good in the church and in order to promote the reform And the repentance of those who offend against the law and one of the big problems that we've had in the church since the council is the rejection of any use of penalties or what would be called coercive means in order to try to protect the interests of the flock and to get recalcitrant people to obey law and to live according to the principles of catholic morality so it's a good improvement I've started to read it and study it. It's a lot of technical things that need to be explored but the general impression. I say this is a good move. And i think it will highlight to the world that the catholic church is not simply out there saying. Don't do wrong things. No the catholic church is saying if you do something wrong. You're going to be punished. Bob your thoughts on the timing of this. Apparently this revision has been on the work or in the works rather for fourteen years. Why would it take so long. To tighten up and strengthen these penalties particularly for clerical sexual abusers. It may be that. There's been so much pressure. Put on rome because of the difficulties we've had with clerical abuse and other problems in the church that they felt that they had to act. I agree with father entirely as a leg man. I'm not a canon lawyer. And obviously like father murray are gonna have to go over this with a fine tooth comb but it's to me very interesting that they even explicitly in the presentation of this revision talked about how there was a mistaken mentality back in the eighties. The punishment or using legal means with somehow not part of the gospel that we ran contrary to the spirit of the gospel. You know being soft on crime sort of means that you get more crime being soft on on abuses like this means in the church. You're gonna get more abuse. So i'm glad to see that there has been that recognition explicitly presented as the the reform. Is there at the level of principle. This is a good step forward. I just hope that the mechanisms are there to actually put teeth into this because the legal system without those institutions is toothless. I love remarkable j. k. Chesterton about this sort of thing. He says you know a good legal system is when we can identify that a says be must go to prison and see says when be can get out. We need that kind of specificity. And that's going to have to be implemented at in institutions at all sorts of other levels. And we should say for the audience's sake this doesn't in any way undercut the role of secular authorities concerning the crimes of clerical sexual abuse etc. Those still have to be reported. This is the church's canonical penalty. Not substitute of the secular penalty or just wanted to make that clear. Some i think are confusing. The two there are a couple of other canons. I want your reactions to one reads canon thirteen sixty seven. It says parents in those taking the place of parents who hand over their children to be baptized or brought up in a non catholic. Religion are to be punished with a censure or other just penalty and then a canon thirteen seventy nine reads a person who deliberately administers the sacraments to those who are prohibited from receiving it is to be punished with suspension to which other penalties mentioned in canon thirteen thirty six etc. Maybe added father. Given the controversy about distributing communion to pro-abortion politicians. Recently do these revised cannons weaponize. The sacraments your thoughts. Yeah i hate that expression weaponized that was used about taking chemical processes and putting them into bombs and then shooting at your enemy. No to uphold the canonical order is not to weaponize anything. It's to bring the gospel to bear upon human sinfulness and the desire for an orderly and peaceful society on the question of baptism. The church teaches that Being baptized a catholic. A gift from god. And that those catholics who become parents have to give that give to their children. They have to have them baptized in the church. That's an an obligation is not a suggestion so to have them. Baptized in another church is a dereliction. And it's not what is intended by god north regards the administration of sacraments this specifically has to do with people who have been publicly identified as excommunicated or under a similar penalty. So if you have for instance a woman who attempts to become a priest and gets ordained by somebody right. You should never be allowed to then be received. Communion in a catholic mass. You should never be allowed to con- celebrate so to speak at a catholic. Mass question is about canon nine fifteen and politicians Who come obstinate public. manifest sinners. That's a little more complicated because the verification or the or a to identify somebody as much does require some official act on the part of the minister. Who is going to distribute communion where that's endowed. Then you have to act You know with more reflection. That's why it's important for instance regarding our president That the bishops. Make a statement here that it's incompatible to be catholic leader and to promote or finance abortion so If that were to be done quite clearly. I think that this kind would then apply bob father reference that can and and i don't exactly know how it's been updated because i didn't compare it to the former but the the canonical penalty against ordaining women to the priesthood. It says that the individual attempting to do that the bishop presumably would incur upon himself an instant a penalty. Does this end the debate over ordination of women or is there still wiggle room. Since pope francis convenient that study group on women deacons that disconnect bothers me a little bit because i. I'm assuming that this revision book. Six of canon law could not have taken place without the pope's approval. I don't know if he read through it. I don't know if his he's deep enough in canon law to appreciate all the ramifications of what we're in there and obviously these are going to be debated and we're going to be hearing a lot about this and incoming coming times but it's not only about that. It seems to me that if you're going to say that that by doing something like procuring an abortion you automatically excommunicated and then cannot stay. Put yourself forward. Right for communion. There are other consequences like this for example just last month or early. Nay the pope organized a has has has tried to organize mechanisms for the excommunication of mafia members. Now a lot of us would think that mafiosi are murderers They're they're criminals and they should be severely rep reprimanded by the church for that activity while the pope is also said that procuring. An abortion is like hiring a hitman like hiring a mafioso so is his thought process going to be carried through in all those steps so that we can actually say that legally speaking in incontinence with this new thing that has been put forward that the consequences are going to be that detailed and this could run right up to the president of the united states. I think that this is going to be a big debate. It doesn't anything. It starts things. But i think it starts in a better place last week. We discussed reports that indicate. Pope francis may restore heavy restrictions on the traditional latin mass. The extraordinary form of the mass. This week it's being reported by diane montagna enroll that to krill. Cardinals are backing the pope. In this secretary of state cardinal trapattoni lean and prefect of the congregation for bishops cardinal. Marc will let both allegedly confirming that. There is a document currently under review. Father assuming this is legal economically. The pope has the ultimate authority here. Why reverse a mode appropriate popular that where priests were given the option to celebrate the old form the mass or the new there is a lot of pressure on the pope. for Getting rid of and pacific from certain quarters in the episcopate and certain theological circles. They view the restoration of the latin mass as being a tremendous mistake I don't agree with that at all. and then we know that the pope himself as he's expressed on different occasions thinks young people who are attached to traditional ways in the church are somehow reflective of emotional disorders and don't need to be encouraged in that attach and tradition. I also disagree with that now. From the point of view of the good order in life of the church Pope benedict may quite clear that the celebration of the latin of the latin mass is just one form of the roman right so it's not really like conceding somebody privileged to do something that otherwise is not shouldn't be done. No it's actually just giving a mechanism for the orderly and free celebration of what's recognized as being valuable and why wouldn't it be. This is the mass that was celebrated. Essentially you know from the ninth century and even earlier in the latin church and it certainly was the mass that accompanied the explosion of missionary fervor the expansion of the church and the new world and in asia and africa so The lack of sympathy for the dentin mass really bothers me because it displays a lack of pastoral charity for people who don't particularly agree with The perspective that some of these bishops forward. I don't think it's not an astrologer to one of worship. God with mystery and reverence and historical tradition but canonical pope. Do this just wave away. S appropriate his immediate predecessor. Yes the pope has supreme authority in the church and he can Forbid this he doesn't need to know other authority has to confirm his decisions The wisdom of the decision is subject to debate but the fact that he can make the decision legally. That's not subject to debate. Bob essentially this would take us back to the days when permission of local bishop was required for any priest to celebrate this old right. What effect is driving. The old right underground again have on the faithful who benefited from more difficult particularly the young people. I see them here in new orleans. Young families by the hundreds coming in packing in to that latin mass to me. This seems to be an overreaction. On the part of certain people in rome clearly let the latin mass is not going to entirely replace masses in the vernacular these have existed now for quite a while one of the things. I'm very worried about is. I don't think we knew this last week. But the jurisdiction over the latin mass in ecclesia day which was a section of the congregation for the doctrine of the faith. It's now being moved from there to the congregation for divine worship as we know the various people who have replace cardinal. Sarah and others are fairly hostile to this mess. This seems to me to be a very strong signal that that some people just china's a threat and me that threat is the way they conceive of it is entirely overblown. The vatican has announced that the synod of bishops on cinna. Daddy i'm not making that up is until twenty twenty three and there will be a two year consultive prep preparatory phase involving catholic dioceses worldwide. They'll be a diaz in phase in october of two thousand twenty one where each bishop is asked to consult the local church then an ordinary general assembly of the senate of bishops convenes at the vatican in october of two thousand hundred twenty three father. Jerry this sounds a lot like a synod within ascended to discuss synods. What do you make of this. And how did the layperson nod. They decipher this thing. Well a senate of bishops is precisely a meeting of bishops and I don't see the necessity for two year process On the other hand where what they're doing in germany which is that the lay people in union with the bishops are coming up with a revolutionary program and promoting all kinds of things that are both heretical and immoral We don't want that to happen in the wider church Send -ality as a way of consulting laity You know the bishops of the one of the teaching authority in the church and it's wise to consult lay people but i don't think it's wise to create a two year mechanism were pressure. Groups are going to arise. They're going to issue. All kinds of statements are going to demand that the bishops. Listen to them. I mean think about the female ordination crowd the people who will not accept the church's teaching that women are incapable being ordained priest. They're gonna use two years of beating the drums and saying the poll wants you to consult us. Well this is what we're telling you know I hope that this process gets managed In a better way than i foresee having given the german experience consideration pressure groups who want to revolutionize church are going to use this as a means to cause trouble that needs to be stopped. Bob when i read this. I kept thinking here. We are discussing a process to discuss the process of governing the church but at the same time the holy see is sending directives that they don't want bishops in the united states to discuss reception of communion among themselves. Is there a disconnect. That's the great irony. Actually i think when our bishops are proposing is what would be in the best sense that there's a local group of bishops who were trying to deal with the problem and they're fully within their rights and they're they're not touching the matter of doctrine they're touching questions of how to implement that and how to make it more effective in a certain national context. Father is exactly right. The opposite is what we see in germany where they're off to the races as if senate -ality means democracy. You can just redefined want. They actually said that they're gonna be conflicting and different visions of what catholicism now to me. The the process is very clunky to they. Talk about doing this at the dialysis level at the conference level and then at the continental level. We know there is a continental sort of bishop's conference in latin america in north america or canada and the united states and mexico. Mexico's technically part of north america. Or are we going to join together. I don't know that this has been thought through very well. It sounds like one of those things that you do when you wanna give the impression of consulting widely democratically but man. It's it leaves a lot of chances to be abused. Well the pope often said. Sometimes you have to make a mask this could be it jets. We leave it there. Commentary by robert. Royal and father gerald murray can always be found at the catholic thing dot org. Thank you both. Authorities and china have arrested vatican-appointed catholic bishop his seven priests and ten seminarians and china's announced a new three child policy lifting caps on its own long-held to child policy. Why why now here to discuss this and much. More is president of the population research institute author of bully of asia. Stephen mosier. I want to begin with the arrest of bishop jiang who was appointed by the vatican and secretly ordained in one thousand nine hundred and ninety one. The chinese authorities say the bishops priests and seminarians or allegedly violating the country's new regulations on religious affairs. Now jiang who heads the diocese of about one hundred thousand. Catholics was not approved by the state. Run church even after that sino-vatican deal was signed. Why would that and not have insisted that jiang be recognized when they signed the deal with china. Suit well here. Here's the thing we we now know that. I don't think the vatican insisted on on any specific conditions When the agreement was signed Two and a half years ago and china did china insisted on all of the bishops who had been excommunicated in years past be reinstated. they were But the vatican for some reason did not insist that the dozens of underground bishops Who are in the in. The shadows literally working in in factories working out of homes trying to carry on distributing the sacraments that they'd be recognized by the communist party so there was no There was no tit for tat here and sense. She agreement signed as far as i can see. The persecution has only gotten more intense. I mean they sent a hundred policemen to arrest the bishop and What seven priests and ten seminarians They're now going door to door in the area of that diocese and they're looking for more seminarians and actually. They're looking for more catholics. If if they go into your house in this diocese these chinese communist please and they say you have a crucifix or a bible. They will confiscate the bible. They would destroy the crucifix and they will find you for what for being for being a catholic now given given the bishop jiang has been imprisoned on other occasions. What do you expect will happen to. He his priests and seminarians. Now that china's begun to enforce these new rules. Well i think that the seminarians what happens to them. They've been sent home until they must never ever again think about shutting to become a catholic priest in fact they're being told that it would be better if they gave up their catholic faith altogether and and became obedient men's of the chinese communist party as far as the priest and the bishop are concerned. The bishop is probably facing a long prison term. The price will maybe. They will be given an opportunity to join the patriotic church. Or maybe not maybe they will simply be laya sized and sent into the countryside You can't obviously the communist party can't lay assize anyone and the priests continues after this warning to practice his priestly ministry They will also be facing a long prison term. But i'm afraid the hammer is really going to come down on poor bishops. Jiang should be. You should be in all of our prayers. I want to play something for you. This was at a press conference last week wrapping up. The fifth anniversary of law does see cardinal. Peter turkson who's the prefect of the dike kastari for the promotion of integral human development. Had this to say when asked by a reporter about dialogue with states who oppose the church on essential elements of the faith like china. The reporter asked can dialogue occur if one side is unwilling to listen and act and when when does dialogue and and one can action and pro-action be expected. Listen from the part of the vatican since relationship with china has got its on task character on religious tone we appreciate and diversely to the scientific evidence and scientific seminars organized event by diversity. We're can invite scientists from china to participate when evade anything that doesn't have a clearly overtly religious character then the scientific evidence whatever then we're able to dialogue and to communicate on that level steve. At what point do the religious freedom violations by china need to be addressed by the va advocate before other topics like biodiversity and climate change and discuss. How long can they be silent on this. Well i you know. I mean as a catholic convert. I don't think we can be silent at all about preaching christ and christ crucified Saint paul said that should be what we talk about in season out of season but make no mistake about the chinese communist party doesn't want a dialogue About anything in doesn't want a dialogue about taiwan at wants to recapture it by force if necessary doesn't want dialogue about the south china sea about the survival of the week or muslims about the survival of tibetan culture. It doesn't want a dialogue about the future of the church. It wants to crush the church in china in wants to become the all dominant force the chinese communist party that has not just in china But in the world at wants to be a religion unto itself that essentially is what it is on. I don't know what the point is of having a chinese communist. Scientists come to the vatican and talk about diversity and and completely ignore the elephant in the room. Really that cross in the room the crucifix in the room. That is the suffering church in china. Religious diversity would be a better topic if you're gonna talk at all on monday. The chinese government announced that married. Chinese couples may have up to three children now. This is a major shift from the existing limit of two children. After i guess. Recent data showed a dramatic decline in birth rates in china. They ended this one child policy a few years ago. Does this really change anything. Steve i mean. The government still is controlling the number of children. People have yeah and the policy really goes back to nineteen fifty four when chairman mouse said you know as a communist country we should control Reproduction just as we control production in other words the number of babies born whether or not any chinese citizen has a baby. is up to the party ultimately decide. So there's no privacy in china when it comes to reproduction bearing in does mark the three child policy. Surprise me a little bit because it came so quickly after the two child policy but if you look the numbers in china over the last year the number babies born dropped from fourteen point six five million down to twelve million so they lost almost twenty percent In terms of this latest birth cohort. That's a huge job. And the reason is forty years of anti-child anti a people propaganda Young people in china don't want to get married and if they get married they don't want to have more than one child Wayball which is the chinese equivalent. Twitter has just lit up after this new policy announcement with people saying things like i wouldn't have a third child of government paid me a half million dollars to do so Well the government isn't going to wind up paying everybody in china have man dollars to have children but they may very well start telling them for the good of the country for the good of the party For the good of the economy you have to have a second child or third child. I don't think we're going to be in the voluntary state. Very long raymond. I think we're going to go from voluntary to involuntary very quickly after all. This is a communist party that for decades forced millions and millions of women to get forced abortion some in the third trimester pregnancy some in the very pangs of childbirth were being forcibly aborted it would not hesitate to force women to have children so we may be seeing in years to come down the road. We babysitting forest pregnancy. The party party officials in china already talking about banning condoms spending contraceptives and banning abortion. Believe it or not not because they think it's immoral but because they need more workers and soldiers. Yeah no. there's always an ulterior motive here but it is interesting. how quickly they're shifting. I wanna move quickly onto taiwan. You mentioned it a moment ago. Fast and furious actor. John cena apologize to china for calling taiwan a country in an interview. He did with the taiwanese broadcaster earlier this month. Saying got serious pushback from the chinese china's now of course the world's biggest movie market and cena who apparently has been speaking mandarin and learning it for ten years. Said this enjoying. Y'all i gun twin john john gould. Jim warren. we'll hon. Humble chen the groveling there is embarrassing. State what are we seeing here. What are we witnessing in the macro. I think that if he's been studying chinese for ten years and that's that's all you can say he better he. Better find another hobby Because the chinese broken and barely barely understandable but he did grovel he did say. I'm really really really sorry The fact is it didn't do him any good because they basically shut down his movie in china anyway. The box office receipts plummeted because in china. If you if you cross a line as far as the chinese communist party is concerned they will retaliate. and so he growled for nothing he out for nothing. He should've kept his integrity intact and and just moved on. To make another movie. Brent christianson the director of the american institute in taiwan the defacto. Us embassy told an online news conference last week. Quote our obligation to support. Taiwan in maintaining a sufficient self defense capability against coercion remains a foundational element of the taiwan relations. Act Steve will the. Us continued to support taiwan under the biden administration. Yeah i really hope so. I lived in taiwan for several years. I speak taiwanese mandarin and cantonese. So i have many friends on taiwan You have on thai one. Twenty three million a free chinese taiwan did everything that we asked them to the nineteen fifty s and sixty day modernized. They democratized They've been a full fledged democracy for the last quarter century. They've had You know a half. A dozen elections had a peaceful transfer of power from one political party to another Which is the ultimate test of a democracy right peacefully transferring power after an open and free election They're a model democracy for china and that's why they have to survive. They show the chinese people on the mainland. That there's hope that there's hope for freedom that there's hope for human rights because in in taiwan those things respected in china. of course there are not so we have an obligation. I think to contribute to taiwan's defence Not just for taiwan for the people there but for the people of china and really for for peace in the world saving mosier. We believe that they are in steve's book bully of asia is street it's available in bookstores everywhere and online. Thank you. thank you recently. Texas governor greg. Abbott signed a bill prohibiting doctors from performing abortions after fetal heartbeat is detected and as the immigration crisis along the border continues to worsen. what should the biden administration be doing in response to discuss all of this and more. I recently talked with lieutenant governor of texas. Dan patrick take a look dan. Thanks for being here. I want to begin with this heart beating bill. It was signed into law by governor abbott during a press briefing white house press secretary. Jen psaki reacted this way. This is the most restrictive measure yet in the nation and the most restrictive a recent assault on women's fundamental rights under roe v. Wade certainly the president Supports and believes we should notify roe. V wade and that is His view regardless of these backward-looking steps that are being taken a states. It's by states in the country. Your reaction dan. Is this a backward-looking step. I'm always amazed at the left. Who likes to parade their view. It's okay to kill babies the you know. If you wanna be for choice to make your argument i still don't agree would never accept it. But they make their argument as if some how those of us who believe in life or doing something bad backward steps saving babies and innocent babies life you know than we are the most life state in the country. I've been a leader on that issue as the senate before becoming lieutenant governor. I've asked the sonogram. Bill requires a a sonogram. Anyone getting an abortion and we've saved about twenty thousand babies a year for the last ten years. That's a lot of lives we've saved and what end so been on this issue a long time. What makes this bill unique different from anywhere else. In the country there have been a lot of heartbeat. Bills hassle always gets records. Don't get into accidents. This is not a criminal bill. This is a civil case. So anyone in texan any kim soo a doctor performing an abortion. Anyone in the state of texas and to protect that heartbeat of lead baby is the six week so what we want to do with the civil side quite frankly on this bill and we believe it is unique we believe it will survive all court challenges and we believe it will save even more babies and put more abortion doctors out of business. I have no apologies to anyone. Not ashamed to say i want roe v wade return i want abortions to end end of story. We need to protect innocent life as you know. The supreme court agreed to hear that mississippi case which touches on abortion could dramatically narrow abortion rights by allowing states to make it illegal to get an abortion after fifteen weeks of pregnancy now earlier this week or last week rather democratic senator richard blumenthal had this to say he says it will inevitably fuel and drive an effort to expand the supreme court if this activist majority betrays fundamental constitutional principles. Chipping away at roe. V wade will precipitate a seismic movement to reform the court. He suggested dan that that could include expanding the supreme court or making changes to its jurisdiction. Your thoughts on the democrats vision here and what they're proposing if the outcomes don't come from high court in the way they'd like well of course that's look we have to face this others an anti god a group in this country and i'm not suggesting all democrats ran chai god. Many party are pushing back on on life and we know the bible says more than the image of god and they want to take over this country they want to remove. They've removed got schools out public square which we continue to fight back taxes by the way. But they want god on the seidler. Once you get gone on the sideline than than who were you born in the image of and so that's the long term socialist leftist progressive communist view of democrat. Already let me tell you something. Very interesting remains a week ago or so. We executed a person who had who had killed his aunt with a baseball bat. Her so harden that rope for thirty dollars and i had call. It's the time into my office that they wanted to spare the life of that person and i thought these are the same people who don't want to spare the life of baby in the womb. That man was found guilty by a jury of his peers. No question the question that he was a person who did it and they're trying to save his life. he's a criminal. The baby in the woods innocent is innocent. I don't understand how left says spare those from execution who have killed others found guilty by a jury but it's okay detect live from those who have not done anything because i get that question a lot regular Patrick you're you're for the death penalty and you're pro-life yes innocence hilt and they said well he's given his life crisis a great. I started one of the largest seminaries. I think actually world's we have a two hundred people in prison seminary getting four year degrees to become pastors in the seminary serving twenty years to light but being forgiven by christ for your sins doesn't mean that changes the laws of a what different states have for crimes were committed dan. I want to move onto the topic of immigration before we run at a time. Fox obtained video of at least forty men crossing into the us along the border in la hoya texas. They're chased by border patrol agents and then in the del rio sector agents arrested ten convicted sex offenders trying to enter the country. What do you make of the biden. Administration's response to this crisis. And what kind of burden is this placing on the state of texas. Well tremendous burden. I just talked to the mayor of ugalde texas which is a small town not too large town. They're being overrun the ask for help. We're sending them the calvary to help them everywhere. You look raymond. This is the worst over. Been ever we're totally being indicted overrun for people from all over the world whether whether it's whether it's central america with not as many mexicans it's more central america other countries and i look at i look at it this way right. Not only are we. Trump had the water under control. We actually had the water under control. And i believe by. Mrs is the short and long term plans they wanna get million apprehend a million people. Maybe this year across the border and another three million that we don't catch. That's three million people do that. The next three years is nine ten million people anyone over eighteen registered and they want those votes in twenty twenty four to keep your left power what this is about. And what is inhumane about this. Not only is it. Harmful the texas in the country. Obviously but these people I'm gonna take your picture. Raymond what when it just broke my heart. Your one of women state troopers china's tiny baby. Yesterday it just broke my heart and see this. This one women and children come here. They often get put the sex trafficking. Men get here. Young men If they will they will their indentured servants when the cartel sent him here. They don't have all the money to them so they say when you go work in the united states we want twenty thirty percent of your pay and that thirty percent of their pay goes back gets money. Logger goes back to the cartels biden. Administration is creating a whole new class of slavery. We're trying to look back. And and and rate race the racial divide in this country over that issue which was terrible One hundred seventy years ago hundred and fifty years ago today these people. They are people into slavery as they're having a either way is back if they don't send the money back the drug cartels tom. They will hurt their families or kill their families and the biden administration's watching the women young women go into cantinas. Go to prostitution side off all of those things doing nothing about it and young men and older men being indentured service. This is a crime against humanity for those who are coming here. We need legal immigration reform. People need to come here with dignity not live in the shadows. We love our imigrants. Not this way. This is the worst thrown thrown children in the river over the wall and kamala harris. Who was supposed to be in charge. Raymond you know. She hasn't done a press conference in two months or whatever it is. She's never said a word. You never been to the mortar miedema sleeping on the job. Everyone says this an accident replant. It's a design plan if they don't know what's happening than their snaps ought to be fired There had a border security ought to be fired scary on day. No what's happening. They not returning humans tragedy. Yeah the the human and financial cost of this is just unbelievable. I was stunned to learn that texas alone is expected to exceed a billion dollars just to try to secure the border that frankly fed should be helping you with dan. I know you're running out of time. We'll leave it there but let's catch up in the days ahead. I thank you for being here. Thank you thank you finally tonight. Some sad news sister margarita. Markian a religious teacher filippini sister and tireless defender of the wartime legacy of pope pius. The twelfth passed away on may nineteenth at the age of ninety nine. the feisty. italian was a new jersey native. She entered the convent in nineteen thirty five received the habit in thirty eight and made first profession in one thousand nine hundred forty one. She served as a religious for eighty two years but she didn't take up the cause of pious the twelfth until she was nearly eighty years old convinced the wartime pope's righteousness she eventually published six books and countless articles about pieaces efforts to save european jews. From hitler's evil here. She is from one of her many appearances on this show. Why do you think there's such animus toward pious twelve ran an attack upon him. This attack on pious felt is really a direct attack on the catholic church. It's a campaign against catholicism. Pious wealth is just the victim in these circumstances. But what are contemporaries are trying to do contrary to what the contemporaries applies to twelve. Said what they are trying to do is to change the magisterial of the catholic church because the church is against abortion because churches against drugs because the churches against pornography they have implicated that they needed victim and the victim may sister margherita marchi own rest in peace. What a fighter she was. That's all the time we have for now. Be sure to catch us next week. Until then we'll be scouting the world over for all that he's seen and unseen on behalf of the staff and crew. Wtn news thank you. For watching 'em raymond arroyo.

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