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The 2016 Lesson Donald Trump Missed

The Point with Chris Cillizza

03:31 min | 1 year ago

The 2016 Lesson Donald Trump Missed

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Politics with Amy Walter: Remembering John Lewis

The Takeaway

32:23 min | 3 months ago

Politics with Amy Walter: Remembering John Lewis

"Politics with Amy Walter on the takeaway appealed all of you to get into this great revolution lettuce sweeping this nation. Yet in estee industry heiress city Arab village, and how this nation onto true freedom come to revolutionize. Down the sixers. We must get in. This. Revolution complete the revolution. Last Friday the world learned of the loss of congressman. John Lewis Lewis was a hero to many an icon of the civil rights movement. He was dubbed the conscience of the Congress where he served for more than thirty years. In the week following his death, we've seen countless tributes across social media and from the House floor. John Moose always took. The High Road John Robert Louis who was a dancer. A man who love to have fun, but was convicted for the right to vote very few can can claim to altered the course, of American, history, the way the John did loved every person he met. He looked them in the I. Can't you hear him my brother? My sister, he would say he always wanted, and he did inspire them to take that baton and to run the next lap of the race. For Justice N Equality. Here's a growing movement for Alabama's Edmund Pettus Bridge to be renamed in his honor, and on Wednesday the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act was introduced in the Senate. All deserve recognition for a man whose determination kept him fighting for eighty years. We wanted to understand what he was like as a legislator and a colleague, so we assembled a virtual roundtable of lawmakers who served in the congressional black caucus along with Lewis. This is congresswoman Brenda Lawrence. My name is Lauren Underwood I'm the congresswoman from Illinois Fourteenth Congressional District and Jim Klaren House majority whip. I started by asking. Congressman James Clyburn to tell me what he remembers most about working with John Lewis. On? Early days. And Dot net in nineteen sixty when we were founding members of the student nonviolent ruined committed on the day we met it was also. The evening that I met Martin Luther King Jr.. Ama- earliest memory of John was sitting with King Cincinnati around ten o'clock in the evening, and not leaving the room until they're outflow the next morning. And so I had myself a poll. A transformation in the company of John Lewis. And maintain that friendship all the way up onto his death. And so. It's a joy to work with him for. Twenty seven years. Real members of John. Kerry while college students in. The freedom riots. In fact his first first time, he was physically assaulted. Was in South Carolina in little. Town Rocky Oh and APP at assault. He was brought to my hometown of sumpter. Not Meant to us. later became a mentor of his. Negative McCain aggrandize. DC because he was injured. Another salt agenda not talked about that a lot over the years. We can paid what we were doing one. Back in the sixties. was going on. She black lives matter. And we are both very concerned. As to whether or not today, his black lives matter movement. And, we'll get checked way. Snake was hijacked back in the nineteen sixties. Burn David Baron. Destroyed us that kind of slogan air. We were fearful of when we first heard defunding police. We talked about that. He spoke out strongly against that and so that. Congressman Lawrence if you could weigh in on your experience with him, and we're also looking to get a sense of what he was like as a legislator. In, reading through some of the. Obituaries in the Atlanta Journal Constitution in the Washington Post. They say you know he wasn't known for taking technical approach to policy cutting deals in the back rooms. So, what was he like as a legislator? Well I find them more as a mentor. Just taking people under the way he was zero focused on the challenges of the least less he would tell us. New People came to make sure. Keep your on the prize and to fight and know that our battle civil rights is not over. What about you congresswoman underwood you as the newest member here I wanted to get your first impression of meeting, Congressman. Lewis was it when you first came to Washington or had you met him earlier? I met Congressman Lewis in two thousand six, when I was a Congressional Caucus Foundation summer intern I was attorney and Senator Obama's office. And Congressman Lewis was a generous participate in a speaker series. We had an opportunity to meet and hear from variety of CBC members. There's probably forty of us that were sophomores, juniors, seniors and college, Young Nineteen Twenty Year Old African American students, and he told us about his lifetime of service, and he answered our questions that gave us the familiar words about getting good trouble in necessary trouble, keeping the faith, and you know continuing to stand up for what was right, and I was just odd and really stunned that here's this giant, and he would take the time to come and talk to us, and it's just a moment that. With me over these last almost fifteen years, and so when I got elected to Congress. You know had a chance to get to know him personally. It's something that continues to just blow my mind a little bit. He is a supporter, our work on the black maternal health caucus and it. It was a joy to have. As a partner in that legislation I WanNa talk about the the whole that he's leaving in Congress and also in the CBC. This year alone three veteran members of the CBC leisha Cummings John Conyers. Now John Lewis have passed away and I would love to start with you Congressman Clyburn on the whole that they leave. WHO fills that? And what is the future? Do you think for the Congressional? Black Caucus, which is close to turning fifty? We'll think we have a tremendous pitcher. I've always a little bit concerned when I hear. People referred to those activities back into sixes as the civil rights, movement. The fact of the matter is we should s on that because there will always be civil rights. It's a stunner. Rebellion was a civil rights movement Denmark visas efforts in eighteen twenty two civil rights movement. The Niagara Movement was all about civil rights. Is What created? The forerunner to the. P. So there's always going to be a civil rights movement. And so what we do, though is look for leadership when a issues arise when a moment as we say becomes a movement, somebody will arise head and shoulders above all of us, and that's what happened. John Those illogic comments just a great person. He didn't. He was not known. For civil rights per se, he was a consummate legislator and he moved agenda unlike. Any others and so it was John Conscious, this an outstanding got I learned a lot from John John. A great tactician. And so everybody has their roles play. We all respond. To our stents and John. As, well as in about Congresswoman Underwood, you're the youngest African American. Woman ever elected to Congress so you are literally the next generation here. I don't know if you also feel that. There is someone of a burden or challenge in front of you. And what do you see as we go forward with so many new members coming in new members of color and the role that you see them playing as we move forward? I do certainly have a perspective of a different generation of leadership. I recognize the vast contributions of the CBC. Several decades recognize the important role that they've played as the conscience of the Congress and recognize that oftentimes Congress moves slower than the American people, and if we need an example of this, we can look at what's occurred since Memorial Day. And the vast change and public opinion that's taken place around. The Need to swiftly address America's legacy of. Racism and white supremacy and embracing the calls to actions affiliated with the lies matter movement, and so you know I think that our generation of young. Elected officials certainly recognize our history and legacies and sacrifices of those who come before us, and then also recognize the fierce urgency of the work that we have yet to do we have different tools available to us. and I would say that our generation is socially connected in ways that you know others haven't been at the same time you know. Public support is with us on these issues of voting rights they're. The public is with us on the issue of equality and justice and reform, and so you know while the CVC can be the policy lead for many of these legislative. Initiatives here in the Congress, a lot of the energy around the country, and certainly in my district is coming from a diverse coalition, I think that that evolution marks a dramatic shift in our country, and it allows us as legislators to continue to pursue our agenda aggressively with the expectation of broad support among our colleagues and the expectation of bipartisan action, so no longer is just a CBC initiative for you know Equality Justice, and you know. Know, ending racism. No, this is like making America. Better and the American people are with us, and I think that and this moment this the CBC and Twenty Twenty is at the very four of the move for change now one of the criticisms of the CBC and this has been coming up recently is that they've endorsed white incumbents for African American challengers who Johnson Primary? Some of them have been younger trombone for example against Eliot Engel. Up in New York. Do you think the policy should be changed that there should either be? Let's stay out of primaries or that. The CBC should be encouraging. New members who are members of color to come to Congress anyway, they can and support them. This is congresswoman Brenda Lawrence I want it to be clear that we have a pet. We are the Congressional Black Caucus and we're not the political arm, so there is a pat. We always encourage young people I mean continuously through the foundation through the mentorships and the internships that we sponsor to encourage African Americans to be involved politically and so I I'm proud of the record that the Congressional Black Caucus has our annual conference where we highlight the legislative process in the outcomes in and the achievement of the black. Caucus, we are not the political arm but I can tell you. We have a proud record endorsing endorsing supporting and mentoring African Americans to into the political spectrum. Right I just read. In article. I think it was in politico. A couple of weeks ago where you said you would encourage the CBC to withhold endorsements in certain races, if there's a qualified African American challenger running against an incumbent I was speaking to the pack. Right that when we have African Americans who are in the race that we look at withholding our endorsements, but I'm one voice. That's my opinion. When I ran for my race I was not endorsed by the pack, but I had numerous members independently who supported me and that happens all the time. The tack is the political arm and they have their own process for endorsements comfortable climate. I want to go to you for a minute. Because I want to talk about the issues right now. That are in front of the country, and certainly where the CBC has been front and Center, and that's the police reform bill that passed the house at the end of June. It doesn't look like it's going to go anywhere in the Senate. And there is talk now that let's say that Democrats pick up. The Not just the White House but the Senate and still control the House in two thousand twenty one. If that does happen, do you think that pressure is going to build in the Senate to eliminate the filibuster? So that a bill like this policing bill and other policies, surrounding racial disparities will ultimately be passed and then signed into law. That pressure will rush to do something I don't know. If I would go as far as the lemonade Filibuster, I would leave that up to the Senate haven't been victim of filibuster. You now's around. I think it's not yet ask you. When Strom Thurman set the filibuster record against the Civil Rights Bill I've also been here the see filibuster in emanated from certain judgeships in the Senate and his US some most reactionary judges, and not just reaction there. To the American bosses itchen. PEOPLE UNQUALIFIED AND Filibuster that has caused that if we had to filibuster movement able to stop those judges, so it all depends on what time it is as. You come down on that spectrum so I I say the fifth time we have to be very careful the same things that make you laugh in this business can make you crack, but having said that just as police in I have not given up on that deal. We've pass it in. The in the house is innocent. Carter Booker in Harris of working at Bill I've been working back channels with the Senate trying to get to a common ground on legislation. You need to outlaw Joe Cole We need to get rid of No knock interest and I think that people are understanding that and if we can find. Some common ground at go ahead and do it. Because I would not run the risk of SAMBA. Let's wait until the next congress. When he can get rid of the Filibuster I'm not too sure that that will happen, so let's do what we can hopefully will be enough way about it at both law. Goes. So. You think there's enough time to do the next round of stimulus as well as pass something like this before you all leave for the fall all the time. Yeah ways there, you just said three trillion dollar bill over in the Senate the House has done its work with the heroes. Act All the sentence gotta do is come to grips of in fact, they have problems Republicans among themselves so all with all of their past justice police an act. We've pass a heroes bill three trillion dollars. Trillion dollar that GONNA state and local governments, and says now talking about doing something without the Gos- state and local governments so there's nothing really left. In this arena both these are. for the house to do. So the ways play, the Senate hasn't the built the wheel, and that's what's missing congressman. Underwood I. Want to ask you about the campaign coming up in vice president. Biden and I'm sure. You are getting asked a lot about your opinion about who he should pick potentially as his vice presidential running mate. He has said he's picking a woman of quarters. Do you think that it is important for him to pick. A woman of color is going to be critical. It's absolutely critical and tell me why because women of Color are vibrant, engaged route. We have in terms of our segment of the electorate. We have outstanding and qualified candidates that are capable. They are prepared to do the job on day one and Have a unique ability to connect across segments of the electorate from coast to coast and I think that we have a very robust list of women that have been supposedly on this shortlist and I. Certainly don't end the the decision that the vice president has to me. being friends and colleagues with many of these women and so I'm very excited about their leadership, and you know look forward to. Election Day when we can all vote for change in this country would there be a consequence decent for Biden to pick a woman who is not a woman of color, not a black woman but I think that this has been at open and public conversation for so I take him at his word that he's committed to. Moving in that Direction Ama- women of color. I have been surrounded by these amazing women who are being vetted. They're absolutely qualified with ABC over the top. In my lifetime to see a black woman serve as the vice president of the United States. But I. I am putting trust in. Don't by to pick the best person to serve in his administration essence president. And I will celebrate. Don't WANNA making. Starring Person vice-president I WANNA. Thank all three of you for taking this time to come and talk to me about all of this. Please stay safe, and hopefully soon enough we'll be able to see each other in person ub faith and to everyone listening where he amassed. Thank you so much, thank you. I. Any thank you Laurin. Underwood represents the fourteenth Congressional district in Illinois Brenda. Lawrence Represents Michigan's fourteenth, Congressional district and James Clyburn. Represents the sixth Congressional District of South Carolina. All three Democrats are members of the Congressional Black Caucus. John Lewis will lie in state in the US capital next week. We just heard about the legacy and influence of John Lewis some of his colleagues. For more on the role of the congressional black, caucus nearly fifty year, old organization, and what the loss of three of its heavyweights means for its future. I talked with John Bresnahan congressional bureau chief for politico. Nine months since alleged coming fast away and now and now Mr Lewis has gone, and I do think that is you know very much on the minds of CBC members and the Democratic Caucus and the house as a whole i. mean you coming US enormously? What respected any was close to speak Nancy close I mean this is somebody who kind of close these firemen in some senses. She brought him into oversight, and there were still a minority to help. Defend President Obama than President Obama and then you know. When they came the majority, he was chair and they were investigating Donald Trump and. Elijah Cummings had Gravitas, and he could deal with it on Mr, Lewis was. Not was an active legislatively. Let's say Elijah Cummings, but he was this tremendous figure. He was dignity in this. Gravitas that was. Really hard. I don't think anybody else in the. Congress could match it and when Lewis spoke, everyone listened on both sides dial. You know it's hard to even describe outside of Congress. What the loss of these two figures means, and then you go back, and you look at a John Conyers. The end of John Conyers the end of his career over fifty years was a was a sad moment, but he was a very powerful figure. The first african-american Cheer the Judiciary Committee. I mean I can remember talking to Mr Conyers about when he got elected in Congress in nineteen sixty, and he was the first black member under sharing, and they the chairman at the time. Wouldn't even you know they didn't even deal with freshmen in the sixties he John Conyers actually hosted a radio show in Washington because he had so much time on his hand because freshman there were you know they were accessories, especially a minority. An African. American member he was just. You know you have plenty of time. Just come in, and we'll tell you how to vote vote to go from that to chairman of the committee. Where was amazing leap? He took decades, but he was able to do it. And now we have entire generation of of new members coming in members of color, those coming into the CBC, who have been forged in a very different reality, the trump presidency and a time when you can have an individual brand, it is interesting you talk about you. See somebody like Anna Presley, or you see someone like Ilan Omar who are both who are members of the, but as you said, they have their own brand than they. They have their own national audience. You're able to reach above the median. Some ways directly chew these constituencies back home, and nationally that they're talking to, and it is. It is interesting to see that because the CBC for decades was really focused on seniority, the more veteran members where who look to for guidance and Mentorship, and the younger members are coming in and they they of twitter and social media are able to speak past the media directly to voters, and it's a fascinating time, and it's fascinating to see. That is playing out in the CBC I mean. There were some issues with Ilan Omar? When she started as a freshman, she made some comments overseen his antisemitic the first time she did. This controversy erupted in twenty nineteen. She was very strongly defended by the CBC and then the second time. I think there were some CBC members who are saying you know. The you know enough of that. She should've learned her lesson the first time, so it was interesting to see that dynamic. Play out there so it's just it is the the tease evolving like the congress in dealing with some of these members who come in in our stars Janu- helped write a piece the other week in talking about the issue of police reform in the world CBC's playing in pushing that forward and the headline on it was. We can't flunk moment right here. We are at this moment of racial reckoning. We have police. Violence issues roiling the country the pressure on the CBC to get something, not just through the House of course, which they did but to get it. It signed into law. How is that going? And what do you think happens is something? Is something going to get to the president's desk by the end of this year? We don't know the answer that question right now. It doesn't seem likely, but we'll have to see how November played If Donald, trump is reelected, elected, you know. Would Republicans feel comfortable doing something on this issue in a lame duck? Congress were if Joe Biden's elected. What will happen early in the next Congress? I mean right now. The House has passed a very sweeping police reform bill. The Senate was not able to come to any agreement, so that is on moving forward on a bill. They didn't even vote on anything they. Couldn't agree to move forward so that it's kind of stalled way now. Congress is dealing with Krona virus relief issues, and then it's GonNa leave August, then come back in. September there may be some chance that happens I'm I'm just not sure. Right now I would say. The chances of that are low, but you did see in the house. One of the interesting things that dynamics played out was the current chairwoman. CBC Karen Bass was able to help. move that legislation through the chamber. She did a tremendous job, and of course dot has raised her profile dramatically down. She's being talked about as potential vice presidential candidate so in some ways. The legislation hasn't moved the debate in what happened and who is involved, has had an impact on the congress, and maybe even national politics one last thing about where things stand legislatively. I'm they're still back and forth about what? This next stimulus package is gonNA look like. Can you give us a sense? Jonah, where we are, and whether next week is the week. When will finally see a breakthrough and maybe a vote? We won't probably see next week in fact. Talking about John Lewis. We in mentioned him before there, there will be China Lewis. You will lie in state in the US capital, and there will be ceremonies for him, and then of course Thursday next week they will be his funeral in Atlanta, so nausea will see any action on the corona virus relief package. By that time we will see the Senate Republicans supposedly introduce their version of the bill next week. A trillion dollar leave package. They've had problems. Between the White House and Senate Republicans even agreeing on what should be an and at that point, the new real negotiations will begin We'll see how Democrats react to what the Republican Bill Is. I've had some White House officials. Tell me they don't think Democrats. They think Democrats. Will just you know just reject it outright? And then there'll be some jockeying, and then the negotiations will start I. Don't think we're going to see a deal until early. August, which is a huge problem i. mean you have the the additional federal unemployment? Payments are going to be expiring it and July Vixen moratorium expiring. Soon so I mean there's going to be a real financial hit for a lot of Americans if they don't get some action by Congress right now I don't see that happening for the month. They really. were. Really talking about some point in August, then yeah, I do think Congress will do something before they leave for August Win August. It happens is the real question temporary hands. Thank you for coming in and talking with US I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. John. Bresnahan is congressional bureau chief for Politico and we asked you. What do you look for in young political leaders? My vote for political future for the dentist dates goes to Alexandria Cossio Cortez. She's straightforward. She is honest changes. They clear voice that is intelligent. Young political leaders demonstrate the depth of genuine empathy. They have to show that they understand the concerns of older Americans and acknowledged that bulldozing everything from the past to make room for new values. `institutions is not an effective way to build cross generational consensus I admire leaders that value, empathy and compassion. Just send to our dern from New Zealand. Is An extremely good example of that. She says it takes courage and strength to be empathetic. One more thing for me today. The League Congressman John Lewis was able to look onto a world so broken full of hate and see possibility and hope. It's hard to feel that kind pope today. We seem to be caught in an endless cycle one. That prizes conflict above all. The goal isn't in solving problems, but in nurturing perpetual state of Grievance. The what I worry about most when I think about post-election America. If Biden wins. There's money to be made by keeping those who supported trump in a constant leather. And there's consequences for those office who dared to collaborate with those on the other side. I've watched a lot of congressional campaign ads. This primary season, and the most prominent feature for Republican candidates is a professed fealty to trump and other words. Even if he's not in office next year, his presence will still be felt. At this point I'm supposed to put in some sort of cliche that will make us all feel better about the path forward. But I can't. Instead I think we all need to get used to the idea that there's nothing ahead, but a long messy slog. There can still be change and hope in a slot. But it's not quite as dramatic or fulfilling as many of us would like to see. That's all for us today, but don't worry. There's something extra for you in the podcast. Feed my interview with Theresa Greenfield the Democratic running against Republican. Senator Joni Ernst in Iowa. Plus we check in on school reopening plans in the Hawkeye state and a big thanks to the folks who put this show together. Our senior producer is amber hall for Tricia. yakup is our associate producer. Polly Irungu is digital editor. David Gable is our executive assistant. Jake, how it is our? At the WNYC studios this week Debbie daughtry. WHO's our poured up bins, Fairchild, our director and sound designer. Our executive producer is Lee, Hill. And of course you can call us anytime. Eight seven, seven eight, my take or send us a tweet. I'm Amy Walter. The show is at the takeaway. I'll see you next week. Thanks so much for listening. It's politics with Amy Walter on the takeaway.

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Kloset Konversationz  Episode 38

PodcastDetroit.com

54:12 min | 2 months ago

Kloset Konversationz Episode 38

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT. visit www dot pastor, troy dot com before information. Everybody what up? And we are live. We are ready. We're live we're ready. To. Smell the traffic talk about some topics but you know, hey, before we break into what we're talking about today. I am Chris Yvette. And I'm Berkeley. Together, we are. Classic travelers. They. Should. Hey the building. We got. So. Yes. God Michigan. So I'll just give it a go of what we're going to be discussing today. Well we have a politician in the building today you already know enough yes. Yes. Go. Out involve. Okay. Get out down about does not involve get out in. Both is so necessary. On the soon Very imperative. As I drink my little. Non Alcoholic Beverage. Anyway. This evening, we have the pleasure of sharing our stage with the MRS honorable. Tiffany. I say that right Yes, ma'am. Welcome back. Ladies for having me back. Yep She's a she's become closet conversations. Before when we first started, she is highly dedicated to the community as a community leader. She can give you a little bit more about her role and I know that we are ready to vote eager to vote yet. Heison. The right thing I know our time is conflicting with the democratic. Mashal. Convention. Convention there we go. I WanNa say committee very good. Thank you. So yeah, I guess Ms Tilly Canned give a little bit of insight on what's going on because she did have an opportunity to check it out before she got on live with us. So tell us what your role is again. I everybody. My name is tiffany tilly. I am an a member of the State Board of Education So basically I know people usually don't know what that means. Your education system here in Michigan there is award over the Michigan Department of Education. And I was elected to. Be a part of that board eighteen. I was sworn in January I. I received almost one point eight million votes. I was warned him with your governor with Your AG. with your secretaryastate and a lot of great other. Elected. Officials and when I was sworn in. At my first meeting, we bought it for officers was voted to be your Nasdaq Rep as well. So that means I'm also your national representative when it comes to education. So MD is over the entire public educational system here in Michigan. So that means you're public schools. Charter public schools. al-Aziz in the standards. For the. Also leadership in the Democratic Party I am the corresponding seconds secretary of the Fourteenth Congressional district. I'm been leadership for a longtime leadership as. A, young them when I was coming up so Many different roles leadership in the Democratic Party In, the city that I live in Southfield, the county Oakland County, and in the Fourteenth Congressional District Congresswoman Brindell Lawrence Brenda Lawrence. Yes. Love. We're. Super active as we said, where's many hats very. Well, seasoned, and experienced. So we need. We need insight. You know people are a little confused with what's going on Necessarily not who to vote for but what they bring to the table to. Help people like us because we need some help. This is like state of emergency right now. It really is you mentioned the Democratic National Convention that's going on started at nine o'clock and with that. The nomination for. Vice. President Kamala. Harris is about to take place. Okay. So that's what's going on there. Tonight. You know. It's really is. So important every election seasons the boat I think we saw how much vote matters. A lot of people think that their vote doesn't count. But I think people really got to see that especially here in Michigan when the last. Presidential. Elections. Place. Michigan lost. Hillary seats by eleven thousand votes. Thousand Votes. So, your vote doesn't matter if we want binding and Harris to lend Michigan, we have to get out there everybody. Everybody. Realize your boat outs. Eleven thousand is is nothing. So we've definitely should have deliberate that. As. So right now we have a situation where you know people are quitting absence. Acid boaty people are worried about voting fraud voting fraud is about this big. The actually happens that's what people's conversations but the percentage of voter fraud Is extremely low nationally. If you hack. With absentee voting. What idea 'cause I don't use obviously goes to those right is it was I got my absentee ballot. Filled it out and then at took it and dropped it off at the clerk's office, your local clerks as a dropbox nine times out of ten. You can call your local clerk and take your ballot down and put it into dropbox as opposed to mailing it. Now, there has been a big issue with mail. So if you're concerned about that after certain about that as well. Thank you ballot down there. Over. What what would be a great idea? What would be a great idea is that you know like especially like I know like in my community of where my parents you know they have been homeowners in the same house for over forty five years and I know that there are a lot of other seniors on my block. So maybe if they wanted to do the Malian I could just go from door to door that day pick up everyone it's not. You got legal. Legal. It's Each person has to go and drop it off themselves. You can do it for an immediate family member. Your parent or something, you can do it that way. But but going door to door to your neighbor is a legal. Oh. that. Okay. But. What did we ended with Graham clerks offers and see if maybe somebody come pick it up. If you're. Tired Right. Right. 'cause I'm like what they can't get to the polling place. That's the whole reason why they wanna tell them off in the first place so Call Your clerks off election department I worked for former Detroit. Clerk. Jackie Curry back in the day. Election. Commission, in Detroit and I. The Wayne. County. Clerk. Kathy Garett. Cau- Kathy Kathy Gears Office Janice Winfrey's office or Claw Your Detroit branch in double ACP. Okay, not all right that's actually tonight abandoned. They'll get them. We can take the the neighbors in the van, get a Mercedes Benz sprinter and pull up we. All these goodies witness honey. Effort. Has effort we all. Right right. Okay. I like that. Yeah. Sweet. Sweet. So what what do we think about the democratic? Candidates. So you know. There's so many conversations so many back and forth about the issues of the cadidates. There will never be perfect candidate there will never be a candidate. That is Jesus that is going to come in and that's going to just fix everything wipe everything clean I i. haven't Seen It in my art twenty years. You know in this business but or this arena but. Hey We can keep crane but what what we need to focus on is People that share some of our same ideologies. Okay. And we know that that is natural. We need to focus on people that will care about working class people. You know we need to focus on people that will care about education. We know trump embassy bosses they try to destroy Public School System here in in in Michigan especially but in the United States. So. You Know Biden has experienced. Is Been BP. He's been incenting. He understands how this country words he understands pilots politics trump is on twitter every day trump is having a press conference every day trump is join gossiping. He is let A. -culing, everybody. You know we need people that stand for us and and he definitely doesn't. Kamala has is US senator. She's been ag, she understands politics she'd been in Politics Long Time I've had the pleasure of. Meeting her publicize I went out to met her here Michigan and I went out to Iowa to support her when she still was in the bid for president Know just politically. I've had a chance to be around him and and have dinner with him. Some other Democrats They're approachable. Kamala was very approachable. We'll have been concerned about that just as you get of the conversation of blackness. You have one drop of black blood. You're black and you shouldn't even be having this conversation anyway I think that it's awesome to have. A woman as VP that's going to be awesome I think it's going to be awesome to have a woman of color at as vp you know. It and we need to start. Couldn't people in offices in higher places even ammo statewide elected official you know I look like he ladies you know what I mean. I was born and raised in. We'd meet people that look like us that understand our struggles understand where we where we've been what we've been through understand where we want to go and that will not only represent us but represent everyone. Absolutely. Chris, you have some say. Completely. Accurate with everything. I know that you know. As as a minority one. You know it's It seems like it's A. Twice as harder to get things accomplished in. And make people see your value and your work sulfur someone to have to be in that higher archy of you know of of of a position would be a great thing. I think it'd be amazing. You know it'll. It'll let you know not only just little black girls but like all little growth around the world know that hey, someday, I could be president of the United States on there. Or Vice President of the United States of America. So it's You know it's it's it's exciting for me. This power who? I love. I've always seen it headed this way but I don't think that necessarily thought of it in the order that it's going in. You know always. Lack man. Woman, not necessarily a black woman and then you know a black woman but a I welcome it I'm excited. I definitely wasn't a voter before Mike don't matter. Tiffany would say, did you file? My out don't even matter but. I voted for Obama, Mile Year mask all you need the math. Don't let that. Deter you absolutely of Krista Compensations I. GOTTA. Go get a van and come pick up the. You know. Shut in the. Health and they've comfortable. Will that Rhino that there was issues or people? Are you know trying to understand I guess With Kamala. I guess being. kind of hard on black people. you know with the Prosecution or whatever. Which? I don't feel you know it's not a big concern to me because if you do some sort of crime, of course, you know there is a consequence four but I know that that is you know like she was in black people to jail you know too many black people to jail. So. What what? What are your thoughts on that? I don't want people to look at her say, I have. I heard that definitely is that began when she was running for President and they will find anything. That they can to you know. Try to stop you unfortunately I. Haven't gone died into her her record personally. But. We do know that she she was a prosecutor that was her job to put people in jail. All right. I think it's not necessarily so much her responsibility when. The weight that everybody's putting in her left I think the whole justice system in America. Needs Reform. and and. You know a prosecutor can brain some of those reforms Sunita reforms but the overall system. Needs an overhaul. You know it's. Not just up to one prosecutor we just had a a an. Endorsed and supported in. The candidate here in Oakland County that ran for county prosecutor And she she's was running against the incumbent was a Democrat but we needed reform we need to change So like I said, there are some things that prosecutors do, but she can only be held accountable for so much. people need to focus more on getting trump out of office. They think. That part our and just blacks as a whole I think as a society. I'd only just glad. northerlies you know people that are not minorities just do better. You know make better choices make better decisions in won't have to necessarily be put in those circumstances to where you know a prosecutor has to determine or judge to determine your fate. MAKE BETTER CHOICES It's hard because we do have so many issues here when it comes to justices some, you know we put more people Gino in America than any other country. I think it's either eighty percent or ninety percent of cases, I. WanNa say ninety percent of cases gate gate. Ninety percent of cases are deals. while. So that means, yeah most people aren't going through trial most people are you know most people plea because if you don't believe what you know, maybe you're facing twenty years but if you take a plea you, you will get ten years or five years or whatever and they are so afraid. They may not some people get convicted and they are not even you know. They haven't done what people say they did how many cases have you heard about? reconvicted yes. and that's why I said we just I. I was at overhaul. It's the prosecutor's job to put you away to come up charges and to get as many notches under their bill as they can say that they are successfully doing their job that yes, we got we put in L. A. thousand criminals away this this year this month or whatever you know depending on where you're where you are but. In in his heart because she's a black woman and. Sabih successful in her job. To say that she was doing what she was supposed to as prosecutor you know or a g seeing hat sued. Away. Right, Yeah Right Wow. Understand that I you know so. It's We definitely. Can't go. UNNOTICED TO. Talk about the issue with the postal service and things like that, and you know we know that postal service workers are in a predicament. They really can't. You know I know they're angry and on no, they're his aw was going born and you know what trump is trying to do you know? But. Does anybody have any? Honorable Tiffany Any right this. Comments or like how you feel about that. You feel that the you know the USPS services actually right being treated fairly and in if I like their careers likes in limbo and he's one them to do one thing and air like you like their system going one way he's trying to trump is trying to do something else like where your inputs on that. Is Rugs their heart positions I feel for them. I grew up in a household my grandfather worked for the post office. So you know. So much pry in a post office that was my introduction into the unions we went to the union picnics every summer you know y'all out the engineer for the false the mangles is at the airport. and we had this discussion at the fourteenth congressional. District meeting. Last Saturday congresswoman Lawrence people don't know she retired from the post office. So she's definitely advocating for some things behind the scenes you have some of the the union workers that are advocating behind. The post office has been moving slower. They've been lower staff because people have been getting sick from Calvin. There's a lot of issues right now going on with the post office. So that's why I say you know if you're able to give clerk's office gives it to the dropbox. Or a box to put your Balanian. Do it and a lack of areas are actually especially in Detroit, as some of the larger cities they're adding more than one location. So you can call and you can find out I think I read an article where there's about seven hundred sites across Michigan. Right. Now for people to drop their ballots. Good. Yeah. I know Berkeley what you affix unfair. Obviously their master plan. Where this I don't know my phone. You guys probably said that Yeah, there's obviously a motive. To doing this Y Y you. Scare rid of this system that has worked for so long. Long. I see you. You not leave bro? In Utah this is how they normally vote. They vote absence I think it was Utah and they said it was eighty percent voter turnout at have and they had successful elections every every year doing absentee so it can work and. People know that. On a federal level that it can't work because we have examples where people definitely want to stop the election and here's the thing is. If I keep complaining saying everything's wrong. You know everything's going to be wrong and I lose my election then not to come back. And say see I told you guys they were going to steal the election for me. That's all he wants to do. He's trying to position he's trying to stop election. From having. He's made those threats and then He. It's a rafting you know the post office he wants to be able to say if he loses. They stole the election from me. For any reason. I will say that he will cause a civil war. While some of the actions that he's taking in some of the things that he says. Even not just even around the election, but definitely around the election as well. Interesting. If you think about it. He has the magazine people that come out in droves and will protest. With Guns. And Rifles in all of this craziness, he causes a lot of confusion in this or and it's really scary. So is this still is bad as it used to be. With. With what would you guys call the Magna the macnamara maker Mirada. People yeah. Yeah. So it's still bad as used to be in the beginning you know you mean. In the beginning a cold it. or in the beginning of his presidency beginning of his presidency. During? The beginning of Colbert you know they marched on the capital in Lansing. Threaten the governor. there were legislators that were afraid to go to work, and they had to sit there with rifles older over them basically. Yeah Yeah. It Worley really scary for some of them. I know one legislator actually got her arts, her own private bodyguard. Escort her into the capital. While seriously. Yeah. When they were. Winning all over social media has been you know all in the news but people were very happy. You know some of them were smiling happy that they were doing all of this and They felt like they were taken up for their civil liberties but they were interrupting other people's civil liberties. You know. Ranch on somebody else's civil rights. You know I guess that's the privilege but anyway Moving right along I was gonna say I mean he's funny to me I love this. The. Random stuff that he is. I do find humor in some of the things that he says most recently is two things that was funny when he said. You know I, see you all out there you know Supporting me in the boats and you know y'all doing it like. Day, and you know out there on the water and I'm thinking to myself like brother and got no job. Off. We're unemploy. Of course, they going to be out there with flags on a boat and some of them are a little bit more well off than we were there not working. Okay. And I love getting off of the plane I guess the other day the meaning of. I called it. The don't touch me and I think. Did the needed the her son. Needed me when? The First Lady of getting off the plane he goes to like read drag Queens. Yeah Yeah. She's clutching that Birkin bag honey in the bottom of that skirt like. I'd rather fall down Sater's so she's team him I'm like what is going on? Bro, like it's got gotta be a very sad and I, guess you know realistic place for him. You know. So that's why he's tried to use any other avenue he. You know. Destroy. Or y'all add some trickery to eat email. And Yeah, the male hairs, you know the United States, post, Office Workers Zeno deciphering from it but I do find some humor in what he will. He says he does like, okay I'm GONNA juvenile he jumping out the at different times for juvenile like Bro, you got like two sides you're battling yourself. You see your wife don't even want to be a party. She don't even want to be the only one that energy. So. I. Just Laugh and only we can do is pray go out and do what the heck we gotta do you know. Everybody has to vote. You know everybody has vote. And I mean me personally I have. Four fi family members that are you know a? Few. There are they are present employees of the United States Postal Service. So this directly affects them. It directly affects me it affects their you know. Their livelihood you know it affects everything has gone on with families and say that you know anybody that works at the post office that you know were you know trump voters in the beginning? What you to be married switched over we should have. Because, you don't care about John Care about Yagi home at a decent time zero family members. No none of that like I hear about the at Rum, my family members that work at the post office and you know it that's you know that's disheartening like that's not cool. They family sue they don't want to get off work at eight o'clock nine o'clock. You know things like that nine thirty at night. You don't like they wanna get home today. They have some of them have small children. And my family, some of them have grandchildren that they look for some of them have spouses. You know why flood significant others and stuff like that. You know and it's like you know. They didn't use the running this system all this time, and then all of a sudden you want to go in and change things you know whatever for his own Personal Gang Cool you know. So I really hope that they use their boys and go and vote in every person that works for the post office do not vote for him. Because because they're being, they're the ones that are being affected by this year. Sad. Yeah inside. He's just caused so much. Chaos since he's been president and we learned a long time ago that trickled down economics doesn't work. you saw during the he went in and he said there's going to be business and business loans. We're going help businesses I was actually a part of the White House Ause I. had you know weekly updates from the White House but eh, he was on the phone for one of those but. It doesn't work. They gave you twelve hundred dollars toll businesses that they were going to give the grants and loans, and then gave them away to major major company. And Allow small businesses ended. Up Closing. Twelve hundred dollars in and which that's basically as five. Hundred dollars you went and you paid your rent or maybe you went shopping you. Really put it back into the hands of the bank or the major corporations nine times out of ten. So. I it's just it's time for something new. You. I'll tell I'll try of the reality TV personality right away. And It landed in the show you know it's like he's like all thought. He'd be like. And I would? Drinking my. Ego. Kamala like. Like. Okay. Like what President? He brought get a wife. which is. Probably. You don't WanNa do it but he? Must be on a biden. Camping. The whole mismanagement of cold it and and you know having people think they don't need to wear masks. You know how many lives could have been saved right if he was giving out proper information instead of saying, you know this is just going to go away. It's just gonNA. Be Gone. On. Right. At some point God willing you're will be gone but in the interim, this is something we have to deal with. This is something that serious I lost. My sister-in-law had lost friends state REP Isaac Robinson was one of my good friend. Wars Hood You know we've lost a lot of people a young lady that I used to go to church with Shit was about twenty six years old she lost her. So. You know it's something that should have been taken seriously from the very beginning and even more. So because you saw it happen in other countries version off China you saw it in Europe. So you knew it was coming here on salad new it was coming here I knew it was coming here just as you know, not even as an elected official as a citizen. I'm watching I'm seeing. It move around the world. So No, at some point, it's going to hit in the United States so There should have been more preparation and then it should definitely been taken more seriously. I think Governor Whitman did a great job. You know lacking. And You know he even fought back so Is this is just been A. Horrific for you. Agean that want or more. I don't know about anybody else. Cow In survival of the fittest ninety we'll be in trouble rambled travel, but I love Gretzky. Your Business, she showed like I. Love My. Oscar expecting serving. Wow Wow. This is my bond going out. I think everybody's. A going in and out a little bit. Yeah, but but we can hear you. Yeah Tiffany. What what What are the plans for the school system? Since that is your arena. Still with edge Aaron's gar obvious Yeah with with education because of Kobe, there are going to be a lot of budget cuts. education is going to be hit hard You know in the beginning of Covid when the state was locked down, people weren't moving around means the state capital taxes and that's how everything is fe or and so we'll see those over the next two, three years those budget cuts, which is scary because. Education is already under funded we are lobbying. the the Federal Level Congress and Senate actually pass on the congressional side Senate is negotiating. But trying to get funds from federal levels to offset the loss on the state level. And yet, parents are rightfully concerned I. I am and the other state board members we had so many Republicans here's actually email us That wanted their child's be able to go to school. and not wear masks and that's social distance. They want score as normal, and then the other end of the spectrum you have insurance that don't want their child to go to school at all that they'll like you know virtual is the way schools will be held Some. Virtually, some will be a hybrid. Your child might go two days a week. and. Then virtual three days a week Some schools are going to offer parent choice of whether you want to do virtual or hybrid. That option will make classroom sizes smaller was a good thing if you are designing singer student in in person. the governor put out a roadmap for schools to reopen and as a sixty three page document, and it says things like in common areas, students must wear mass K. Through five inside the classroom. They is not mandatory. They wear masks however six through twelve is mandatory. They wear masks is mandatory for staffed wear masks unless you are you know have a disability that keeps you from wearing a mask if have breathing issues if you have a disability where you can't put the mask on yourself, then your three from wearing it, but it's really going to be district by district. Because Michigan is a local control state. So districts decide you know things like that. They have changed legislators vote on Saturday the Senate voted and. Tuesday the. State. Reps voted, and they did pass things where you know attendance they're going to change the way they had to. They'RE GONNA change the way your child's attendance gets Gets counted. So they're making different changes in different policies. while. If, you have any issues as a parent you know Contact your local school board you know contact the Superintendent's Office. Let them now write letters sent emails, make phone calls. Let them know how you feel a lot of times we get We get the. What what is it the low end of the state or or whatever the shorter end of the state? because. The squeaky wheel that makes the most noise gets gets things you know in our community, a lot of times. We don't say things. We don't speak up for ourselves and when we do it, maybe it's a few people where like I said the Republicans. They let it our emails letting us know what they wanted as far as you know, and that's not going to get what they want that create a huge lawsuit. A lot of lives get lost. We're not going to say your kids go to school don't wear mass rights also sisters. Lives are in danger. So But a lot of times, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. So we have to make sure that we are advocating for the things that we want in the things that we me. And that is contacting people organizers you stay at. Your neighbors you may have to organize your neighbors, the Costs Council, all of these offices affect our lives so much every day people don't realize how important it is to both for justice. And how imports you ran down the street right now going to. have to go before a judge. You have to see judge before you see any of these other elected officials, nine times. Obviously you will see the judge Spurs. So We have to make sure that we're voting for these offices in that were putting own I had. I had one case that I was dealing with a young lady that I went and and I was proud of a rally and I spoke out it was in the news and different things. Grace I. Don't know if you guys have heard the story about grace if teen year old young lady. That grows high. School Chrysler. Yeah. I heard that too. Yeah over homework. I mean, there were other things with the case for her to get on probation. She was put on she had just sit in November where she she physically got into it with her mother she stole a phone. From another student and then ended up giving the phone back. She was meeting her probation. Requirements until called me and then when the caseworker and chat on her her mom's Day yeah, we're we're not She's having a hard time doing the homework said Yeah with call that I've been having a sounding and she's the one virtual will and she has adhd. Right I don't know about you guys but it's been hard. It was hard for me to concentrate during Kobe. So imagine a young child with ADHD trying to keep up with onward. So they've learned Jill for it. But that's why I say. Who have in there as a judge is so important. And you hear me. If going out crystal wasn't going on you're. Not Really. Made my phone. You go ahead go ahead article tiffany. So. Yeah. Just saying that it's so important who we have. You know we look at the presidential election every. Cycle. Every four years and that is so important but the local elections. Even even my seat you know, who is who are you putting their over education? You know we need to make sure that we're looking at equal making sure that they have experienced also making sure that they have a good heart. Good people they you know, right? Absolutely. Very, important. Yeah. Yeah. Well I know my kid we'll be doing virtual. I told him I said a by the time you go to college you can go get. Some, you GonNa be an effort at buddy. Yeah Yeah I I chose my son to my baby. Saw, I chose my son wail idea check off. The the box where it said that is the classes are classrooms are going to be smaller with less than they're in. It was okay for him to go back in the slow and the numbers went down. Then I will be okay for him to kind of have that interaction but. I'm kind of on the fence with that. Now you know so you know I just. You know right now is virtual and you know I guess like time go by out via to determine whether I really want him to go back. You know. Yeah. So it's pretty tough. You know what I'm saying because we love our keys, you want what's best for them. We definitely don't want them here. Harm's way. So. Badly student in. Detroit public laws. My of my son is in Southfield public schools. Southfield was going to do a hybrid decided to just do virtual. Right Right Yeah. So. I'm yeah I mean I'm. Very time. It is. Super Scary. Because it's different is not the is in this, but it's like the new normal. So it's Kinda like we haven't been through this before, but and this is kind of how it's done a be. So You know with that being said, everything is uncertain. You know and we're all just kind of like I. Don't know you know we all but we do know is what we do know conscious. Yeah. We want our kids to say you know and we want all of us to be safe you know as A. As a whole so Definitely. Down with. Them things. I don't know about you ladies but some things it's like. I think we should have been doing this all along when you go through the drive through or you got the restaurant, people have on math kid. Gloves like that keeps the price on your like we should have been doing this all. Social the I mean you know were they Jeremy? The social distancing, you know it. Right you see. Some of this stuff anyway. I'm okay forward especially when you WANNA talk to nobody I give me six feet. Yes respect. My face is caused us to have you know stronger. Chesley. What did you say crystal? I. Five. Freezing. Yeah I think now I'm getting a little bit of freezing on coupons though. I'll let. You Weigh. That about wraps things up anyway looking at the time you see the time. Oh. Yeah. Bones being in an Ireland. How? Maybe down good to you because I'm can hear me. You you. Are So, fun and I know that this has is not the most fun information, but I really appreciate you guys having me on here to talk about it because you know we need to have more these conversations. Absolutely And we appreciate you making a dip Ri-. You know what I'm saying OREO FOR REAL I. So yeah you saw. Thanks so much for joining us. Off Spreading awareness and you know giving us good information that you know that somewhat less new some of Dick. No No. So. Yeah we really appreciate it for sure. Thank you. Yes. Yes. We are eight so. Let's go ahead and wrap things up Do you You have a you're like Do you have a social media platform? On facebook Tiffany to Lee State, board of Education member. So. Definitely am I'm also the Executive Director of a nonprofit is called the Southfield Community anti-drug coalition and we have a Social media pages will. No. Anti-drug. Coalition. There we go. So. Yes. Education for for mostly geared towards you but you end adults. Fee Excellent. Well. Thank you off for tuning in. Hopefully you guys can hear me. Can you hear me? Okay. Can you hear me? All right. Great. Thank you for tuning in than you know. Spang engaged through our little technical difficulties at least on my end. Hopefully, it sounds great and make sure you get out involve. It out involve lease your vote matters it really really really matters. So, yes. Definitely. Get Out and vote you know your your voice does matter you're you know you are important believe it or not? Yeah yeah, soccer. Great continue to follow us. Aren't cloudy conversations with a K. conversations with a K. with Z. at the end conversations the. Right, why Berkeley? By apart off the most Nadi thing that we did all segment long. Mattered say any cars word right there. So. that. I think that might be a record. I. I need. You because. We Yes, we made it bro Yeah Yeah Kuala phone closet conversations with a K. Conversations with K with. The DS. Facebook, and instagram my personal pages, Christie Mag KFI SF y Mac on facebook and I'm a Christie underscore MAC eleven eleven everybody knows acid life insurance. Hey check it out. Get it. Get it we in pandemic right now give me a call can go on information and pull up all of that on there and go ahead Berkeley you can go ahead and do your thing. Oh. And I'm a Berkeley you can follow me at Berkeley's leads closet B. E. R., K. L. I underscore closet wise with the Sivas time. Correct spelling and. Them at make sure you stay in baby safe. When you send little because you need a babysitter, make sure I'm babies have a man's. Test. Out. Barclays closet to the mass. Savings. They are so comfortable establish. So yeah, dining. Advantage today bears. To that. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well. Thank everybody on Christie. And I'm Berkeley. and. We really are. Cloudy Conversation. A boat or Pause bitter low. City Parse? Yes. Basically, out. Thank you for listening we out.

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Black-Jewish Congressional Caucus, Israeli Election Update, Education in Israel

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Black-Jewish Congressional Caucus, Israeli Election Update, Education in Israel

"Hello and welcome to people of the pot brought to you by. Ajc and the Times of Israel each week we take you beyond the headlines and help you understand what they all mean for Israel and the Jewish people on Steffi Cogan. And I'm on your brochure. Cashman January and February have been full of commemorative moments for both the black and Jewish Communities. The birthday of Martin Luther King Junior the death anniversary of Anne Frank International Holocaust remembrance and Black History Month we sat down individually with three founders of the Black Jewish congressional caucus democratic congresswoman Brenda Lawrence Democratic congresswoman. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Republican Congressman Lee Zeldin to discuss why the caucus exists the issues. They think it will address and why it's important for black and Jewish leaders to work together. Not Apart I I asked about the original purpose of the Black Jewish congressional caucus how that purpose has evolved since its conception and what the main issues the caucus to address we. I posed the question to chief. Founder Representative Brenda Lawrence when I went to my colleagues. And ask them if they would be interested in forming a black Jewish Caucus. Civically this administration. I have seen an uptick in divisiveness and Rachel tension and also hate crimes been reported as validated being on Increasing and we have such a strong and long history of lack American and the Jewish community coming together in those times when our country lost its way the Jewish community came to the support of the black community during the civil rights movement. We have shared experience between the Holocaust. Slavery of being people oppressed by no other reason except for who we are and We know and we feel uniquely the stereotypes in the tension that are often placed on us as black and Jewish citizens of this country. And we are here in Congress to write laws and policies to ensure quality to make sure that we're forcing the civil rights of this country and we should be having a unique conversation around this and I can tell you I was so impressed with the support and willingness in a bipartisan way to form the caucus so what are the main issues that the caucus hopes to address. Well I want to know that as we look at hate crimes and discrimination as anti Semitic. It's racist xenophobic Often go back to Martin Luther King. Our unity is born of our common struggle for centuries not only to rid ourselves bandage but to make oppression of any people by others impossible so when we plan or what. Our jackets is our is that we will make sure that we are uniquely informed. We are aware of these incidents and policies and situations where we see Racism not being addressed properly or being able or being nurtured and that we can pass policies and enforce loss through our justice system to ensure we're holding true to one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all next. We asked Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz during the civil rights movement jewish-americans lent critical support to the N. Double ACP and fought alongside. Dr Martin Luther King Junior to challenge racial segregation in public accommodations and black leaders have stood with the Jewish community following the tragic shootings. At synagogues in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania and POW California Joakim Prinz german-american Rabbi and refugee of Nazi. Germany represented the Jewish community as an organizer during the nineteen sixty three march on Washington. So that history is long and and significant and so the the The Black Jewish caucus is really important for us to be able to to retie those binds. And make sure that we can work on the modern day issues that are of mutual concern to both communities are purposes to assemble leaders to learn from one. Another advocate for joint concerns Regardless of party we believe And we exist because all partners are committed calling out hate and racism and discrimination anti-semitism and xenophobia whenever and wherever it rears its ugly head and you know our alliance in the Black Jewish caucus is really important so that we can work to honor and strengthen and safeguard the bond of our communities that have been developed in the struggle for equality in America. Then we asked representative Lee Zeldin. There is a need to better bridge the gap between the Jewish community and the black community and understanding a long rich history of the the black community fighting for on behalf of with the Jewish Committee and community and vice versa This isn't a new concept for us to be working closely and back in World War. Two was seven sixty first tank battalion. Bed Liberated gun skirt skin and God almost four hundred medals for their heroics their efforts and it was Jewish members who stood side by side with the black community during the civil rights push and some actually ended up giving up their lives in that fight for Justice and equality fast forward to two thousand and nineteen. This was announced in June But we were talking to each other about it for a few months leading up to that. Brenda Lawrence Really did a fantastic job taking a lead initiative. The American Jewish Committee was also influential and helpful with that. 'cause how has it evolved since then? I would say that more and more people have expressed interest in being part of it so it's become a bigger and it's allowed us to build a stronger network and we've seen a divide close But the challenges still exist and we just had a Hanukkah in two thousand nineteen that was marked by violent antisemitic attacks in and around the New York City area and some of the people who were paying attention to it saw that the individuals who are carrying out the attacks weren't neo Nazis. They weren't they weren't white supremacists. They weren't a radical Islamic extremists. And they they weren't Politically motivated it was a different dynamic than what you might have been talking about in June of two thousand nineteen You had some people who are talking about the the black Israel The Hebrew Israelite Movement But then others within that movement rejecting the acts carried out up in Munsey attacking the rabbi's home as well as attacking The the Jewish Kosher Supermarket in New Jersey. So in a way if you ask me how it evolved part of. It's been positive With all of the outreach in all of the new relationships and part of it has been an added challenge added friction as we witnessed what happened in the Hanukkah two thousand nineteen and struggling with figuring out how to as quickly as possible Deal with that next. We asked how the black community can support Jewish concerns and how the Jewish community can more forcefully advocate for African American issues. Here's what Linda Lawrence had to say. Yes the Jewish community has in the past as as you know during the civil rights movement Jewish communities one of our strongest legal and justice advocate on the judicial system but it is lifting the voice of Black America Black Lives Matter Institutional that is. Our biggest challenge institutional racism when it comes to the education when it comes to housing when it comes to the criminal justice lending voice to the black community and pointing out those things that are wrong and the black community. What we can do is make sure that we are calling out the stereotypes against the Jewish community. Then we heard from Debbie Wasserman Schultz. There is really some significant overlap that particularly with the violence and the Anti Semitism and bigotry. That is being hurled at our communities not just with these horrendous murders but with social media attacks and you know protest against our communities and discriminatory actions so we have a lot on our plate. Initially that I think are in my view important for our communities mutually and you know because the Caucasus really in its infancy as we mature and move down the road. Get to know one another issues that you know. We can be across the aisle and across our communities and the caucus focused on trying to prioritize the issues that the individual communities find important and lastly representative Lee Zeldin. Well we always spent a lot of times so far I talking about the way. The Jewish community has been targeted with not just Anti Semitic thoughts but antisemitic actions and violent and some cases of its cost people their lives. So you know the the ways for the the black community to identify what? The top issues are Right now for the Jewish community. We're seeing it. Play out really in the national news and the national debate for the Black Community The there still is racism in our country in many respects and I think that teaching tolerance and and understanding ensuring that policies aren't discriminatory that individuals have the ability to achieve the American dream and shouldn't be held back just because they might be someone of color or they might be practicing a different religion like Judaism. That discrimination racism still exists in our country. We saw it play out not too long ago on. Long Island where I'm from the first. Congressional district of New York is on the east end of Long Island There was a story that was in. Newsday was an investigative report of members of the real estate industry discriminating against people of color who were trying to find housing trying to Purchase a home to achieve the American dream. And unfortunately that's an exception and not the norm. It's rare But the response has been robust with investigations. That have been lost. launched as well as the real estate industry themselves Self policing Each Other To educate but educate each other and to push out of their industry people who are discriminating against Black individuals who are trying to own a home and then she the American dream so I would say as far as identifying some of the biggest needs right now of the black community. I would say that just like it was easy to identify anti-semitism as a top needed needs to get addressed for the Jewish community. I would say. Racism is something that's very prevalent and still needs to be addressed absolutely with regards to the black community next. We asked what issues of mutual concern? The caucus can address. Here's what Brenda Lawrence had to say. I think it's extremely important. That the black and Jewish community allow the history of oppression for either of our people to be forgotten. You know there's some people who like to say the Holocaust didn't happen. There are people who say You know black people so each other to slavery. So what's the big deal? We cannot allow the history that as horrific as it is to be forgotten. And that's something else that I think that we uniquely can do as citizens of this country and as survivor and Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Right now we have a really significant challenge around white supremacy and the rise of white supremacists in United States white supremacist increasingly targeted and killed large groups of people in recent years because of their race or religion in the United States in Twenty fifteen we had nine African Americans who were murdered murdered by a gunman whose name I won't mention at the Emmanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church Mother Emmanuel in Charleston South Carolina. Because and this is quoting the murderer. He knew that it would be a place to get a small amount of black people in one area. You had Robert Bowers. Last year yelled antisemitic. Slurs before he opened fire and killed eleven worshippers at the tree of life synagogue in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania and that was the deadliest attack on the Jewish community. American history you've had attacks on mosques where insecurity has had to be increased after fifty one people were massacred to mosques in New Zealand. So we have a very current urgent challenge with bigotry. Anti-semitism white supremacists who are engaging in in deadly violence and so that's at the security and houses of fighting. Anti Semitism and bigotry is Is really the top of our current list of issue the very tragic areas of mutual concern for for both communities and and I would also add Particularly because most of these crimes perpetrated with guns the Jewish community in the African American community have have really come together around making sure that we can close all the loopholes that allow people who shouldn't have a gun under federal law here in the US be able to get them Now that issue is unfortunately not bipartisan. I was just getting ready to say. That's gotta be bipartisan. doesn't mean that That the hawks On Black Jewish relations can't take it on then we hear from Lee Zeldin. There's an underlying sentiment of hate in our society. There's a lack of tolerance of education of community so we are both stronger working together united and where we are mutual partners on his where we want to talk about. How do we combat hate? How do we educate our young kids to to be more tolerant to understand the history of racism in the history of anti-semitism and there's no requirement that we can only teach about one and Getting out in the community Partnering with each other also shows how to build bridges. It sets a strong example for not just young kids but also adults as well to see people of different backgrounds working together to partner and we're diverse too. I mean we have the this includes not just a black members of Congress and Jewish members of Congress and includes Republicans and Democrats includes conservatives moderates and Liberals So the the background of the caucus you see it. In the membership and you'll see with the groups that have connected themselves to the caucus Working with the caucus coming from diverse backgrounds across this country as well finally we asked how the caucus of federal law makers and local leaders can address any existing or new tension between the Black and Jewish Communities Representative Lawrence. Had this to say you know I'm driven by a lot of things being black woman in America but I'm driven as a member of Congress by our law. Our freedoms are right our constitution. You know the civil rights amendments. I am held accountable to that. And so when we talk about What we can do specifically with the Black Jewish caucus we are the gatekeepers of freedom and rights in America. And so when we talk about the Justice System I sit on government oversight. I sit on appropriations. How DO WE FUND PROGRAMS IN AMERICA? How does he ensure that? Our Justice System held accountable that we collect data that we make sure that we mandate training that we are using our FBI to be able to identify those Hate groups of social media now has taken Racism and the growth of this domestic terrorism to a whole `nother level so we are constantly being confronted with a responsibility as members of Congress to ensure that we are not allowing this this ugly seed to grow in our country and we have been doing it now for decades. They've not a century so we still have that responsibility. Unfortunately it has been magnified in these last four years. And that's why I'm so compelled and committed to the work of like Jewish Caucus. Here's how Debbie Wasserman Schultz responded. I I think it's important not to overstate And the increase any increase tension because Quite frankly I'm I'm not aware of really any well-developed comprehensive increased tension between the African American communities and the Jewish community. You know certainly. I think it's more of a concern and the need for the caucus on black Jewish relations and Congress was Really propelled by that. We have maybe had some of the ties between our communities fray as an from under-use and so bringing us together and making sure that we can affirmatively bring our communities together. Do things like what I do in my district which has hold community dialogues roundtables about solutions and causes I know I do regularly in my district where we convene your leadership from both both communities. We have one another's back. I represent one of the largest Jewish communities and a large African American community in south Florida and our community. Leadership has one another's back when there is an issue that is important to the other. You know we've made a special point of bringing a cross section of faith and community leaders together when there are times of increased racist incidents or tragedy for example you had many Jewish community leaders stood side by side and my community in south Florida to press for the change of the names of three streets in the city of Hollywood Florida which were named after a confederate general a Ku Klux Klan leader and another icon of the racist past and we were able to successfully come together and the city agreed to change the name of those streets. So those are the kinds of things where we need to step up and and you know those. Those might seem like more minor every day aggravations or insults. But those are the kinds of things that you know if you are. A member of the group has been hurt and has lived through the fending experienced by an individual who honored with a street name Then you know making sure that we can address that concern and have one another's backs as important and lastly lease elden apply. Well I I would say if anyone is is silent. They're they're wrong. Step number one. Is You have to be willing to stand up to speak out to confront the hate. That is out there. And if you're silent and not willing to say anything about what we just witnessed in Hanukkah's Hanukkah two thousand nineteen and around the New York City area. Then then you're wrong but then when you speak out there are some people who brainstorm a whole long list of options in order to choose one. Check a box and then move on saying well. I did my part. There's nothing else I need to do. Here my attitude is different than I would say. You should brainstorm every single possible option that you can do to help and then do every single option that you just identified to to assist. There's a lot that needs to get done and you asking strictly from a federal standpoint. Whether it's on the education standpoint from never EDUC They Never Again Education Act. Or It's the house passing S. One which was passed with about eighty percent or so of of the Senate strong bipartisan support to combat the BCS movement We we have let pieces of legislation. That are out there. You see it from the appropriations where you're providing support to organizations and communities that need help. It's different levels of government where the federal law enforcement can work with state and local law enforcement And every level of government you can identify different legislative issues. Initiatives DIFFERENT APPROPRIATION INITIATIVES. Talking with each other getting out in the community and encouraging other community leaders to to step up I could identify legislative solutions. That Albany can do that. Let's save solutions. That New York City can do And at the end of the day it's not just something that the The elected officials and government need to pass laws. It really comes right down to as you point out in your question. It's it's on the streets and it really requires people at the community level to to take charge of their community to work together and again it gets back to the reason why it's good to have a black Jewish caucus for people to feel like you. You don't have to only talk to people who are just like you in order to solve a problem actually in the military recall force multipliers. If you want to solve a problem the best thing to do is to find anyone who can be an ally of any background and work together to solve it in just under two weeks on Monday march second Israelis will vote to elect a new Knesset. It has been over a year since Israel last had a functioning. Coalition government and the country has been voting every five months or so to elect a new set of legislators. Is the third time the charm will this next vote. Finally break the gridlock here to help us understand what's going on in Israeli politics is Avi Tol Labor Vich the director of AJ seizures. Obviously thank you so much for joining US pleasure. So I'll I'll let our listeners peek behind the curtain a little bit as to you know how the sausage gets made. I don't have all these questions in my head. Sometimes I'll reach out to colleagues of ours or to a friend of mine and say you know what's the number one question you have about. Whatever the topic is and so. I reached out to a colleague. I asked her. What's the number one question you have about? These upcoming Israeli elections the third round of elections that Israel having in a year. And she said why so? I'll tell us why is Israel going back to elections? Well I'll make some sense into it but it's still very much annoying for us living in Israel In order to have a government in Israel a party or leader of a major party needs to build a coalition of parties with sixty one mandates. Currently we have fourteen parties running to the government of Israel In the last elections and the ones before that We actually didn't have a leader. Who was able to form a coalition? The Likud party did not make it to sixty one mandates. The only received thirty two with the other partners right-wing parties. They didn't even come close to sixty one. And the opponents the major opponents of the Likud which is not the part the cold blue and white headed by guns They again did not manage to build a coalition with left-wing parties and maybe even the Arab Lisp Party and therefore Here we are again. Less than two weeks. Israel will be facing its third elections in in over just over a year which is quite a problematic frost leaving here. Many things are in a stalemate here in Israel including international relations including budgetary issues of different ministries and this is not really a healthy situation for successful country like Israel to be in So like you said the Center Party. Blue and white these challengers. They had the most seats in September. They got thirty three seats out of one hundred and twenty the Likud. The ruling right-wing party had one fewer. They had thirty two next up was the predominantly Arab party the joint list which got thirteen and on and on down getting smaller and smaller basically it almost matters less how many seats each individual party gets as it does how much the two kind of big blocks get the right and religious block and the left and Arab block neither of which are actually such natural partners washing these polls closely as I'm sure you do are the March elections or the elections. That'd be taking place on March second. Are they shaping up to be any different to have different results so I would say the following the polls in Israel are never right right but the it is you're right? It is the only measuring tool we have but the fate of the elections coming up in less than two weeks will be determined by two factors number one is the percentage of voters in other words in Israel. We are quite I would say politically involved nation. We do have a very high percentage of voting. It's around sixty eight percent down a slow year more than that more or less a lot more than in the US but the question is which sector of the population will go out to vote. For example it's known fact that the Ultra Orthodox which vote for the Ultra Orthodox parties. They go usually to voting very high percentages. The question is whether those you know Liberals in Tel Aviv will go to volt or stay home or maybe the settlers will go to vote or decide to stay home. This will be a very crucial factor in determining the results of the elections. The second factor. That will have a direct impact. Ease Lieberman Avigdor. Lieberman is erecting. A party Bayton Israel our home and According to the latest polls his party should get between seven and eight mandates. Now he's natural positioning. Would be with the right block. But he does have some sort of resentment to Netanyahu in therefore he can find himself from political reasons to be on the centrist Liberal bloc so he is also a relative factor. And we'll have an impact on the results of the elections in American politics. We sometimes talk about an October surprise. We voted at the beginning of November and in October surprises. When something comes out you know just in the few weeks before it could be a devastating piece of news usually for one of the main candidates. Something they don't have enough time to recover from so there were maybe a couple of February surprises for Israel which is about to vote at the beginning of March. Actually technically they were end of January surprises and also neither of them. Were all that unexpected of it will just roll with the metaphor here on the same day. Actually on January twenty eighth in the morning Prime Minister Netanyahu was finally formally indicted on several charges of bribery fraud and breach of trust and later that day he stood at the White House next to president trump and kind of triumphantly. The two of them announced this American peace plan for Israel and the Palestinians which is seen as very good for Israel which much of the Israeli kind of center and center right are really Happy about to. What extent did either of those things move the needle? Are we seeing people more? Skeptical of the prime minister as a result of the indictment or more supportive of him as a result of this deal. So I think you can say a lot of things about these rallies but one thing is for sure. Israelis are not naive so when the whole ceremony took place in the White House. Yes Israelis hearts were filled with prides and with a strong sense of strong. Us ally but no one actually thought the discipline will happen tomorrow morning and in every single poll in the last year two years when Israelis were asked who is better equipped to be the prime minister. Netanyahu our guns by very big margin Netanyahu gut the most percentages so from a leadership perspective. I don't see any constable October surprise. That will change that. There is no arguing. In the fact that on Yahoo does have an indictments. There is no argument of the fact that Netanyahu has very good relations with president trump and President Putin and many other leaders in the Arab world but also in other countries all over the World Africa we just seen a visiting Sudan. And so on so. I don't think that's really plays out. As some major factor in changing or influencing the results in a different way altogether. The really big question as I said these Lieberman which side will take and how many voters will actually go out on March. Second as we record on Thursday morning last night there was just a big and fiery primary debate among the Democratic candidates. Here in the. Us Are there debates that people could be tuning into in the Israeli Prime Minister Race? Say No actually. Israel took a lot of things from America but the debate culture was not really one of them. I would say the less serious debate we had here between. Two major leaders of parties was in nineteen ninety nine and the one before that was nineteen ninety-six. So this is not a very popular kind of situation for politicians here. Politicians here like really to Bargain with the media. Offer different kinds of exposures interviews and so on actually in the last couple of days Netanyahu ditch challenge guns and called him to debate him on national TV. But the guns Actually took the advice of his advisers and declined this knowing that he has significantly less experience with public appearances. The Netanyahu and that he could likely lose such a debate so as far as I can see ahead. I don't expect the debate between the two of them which is a shame because I think could be quite interesting Interesting as well because I think Netanyahu has kind of been avoiding dates himself for the past ten years or so that he's now pushing for one don's indeed but all the political leaders not only in this young refuse to have debates and so that never happened. The last one I said was really years and years ago but here actually. I think guns lost points because guns was the first one to call Netanyahu for debate because he thought that as you said. Traditionally Netanyahu doesn't do debates. And this time he will refuse. But Netanyahu surprise guns and agree to it and then guns back down so I think actually in this situation guns really lost a little bit and and really demonstrated lack of confidence abby. Tell you spoke about turnout a little bit before and I want to return to that as we close. Is there a point at which the Israeli public just gets exhausted? I mean just gets like totally tired elections. Are we at that point now? Are we going to see turnout? Plummet in this third round. Might we have to wait for a fourth-round could we see one of the main parties revolt against their leadership? What's going to be the game changer? That will ultimately break the stalemate so I think that the Israelis are very very indifferent at this point of time to the upcoming elections. I mean if you would be An alien from another planet visiting Israel right now and I would not tell you that there's elections. There will probably not be away for you to know that because really people are so indifferent the third time around and they're so angry with this kind of situation and therefore the again. The question of turnout is a critical one for these last couple of days before the elections the heads of parties are really going all over the country meeting with all sectors. You know Netanyahu for example as a major interviewing the biggest Arab new sites called pundits the day before that Guns had a big conference with Ethiopian community in one of the status here and so on and so forth there. Touring the country. They're trying to you. Know raise awareness. They're trying to recruit more votes but at the end of the day. The big question still remains whether Israelis will overcome the sense of indifference and lack of trust politicians than really go out and vote. This will know in less than two weeks. Well we'll be watching closely and we'll look forward to giving our listeners a another update when we do know in two weeks. Obviously thank you again so much for joining us. Thank you listeners. Whose children are applying for colleges. This month might find this next segment interesting. As many as twelve thousand international students are currently studying in Israeli colleges and universities but the Council for higher education in Israel wants to double that it has launched a national initiative called study in Israel to create a brain gain for what's often referred to as the startup nation dozens of degree programs including stem subjects as well as Middle Eastern Studies Agriculture Urban Studies. Environmental Studies have all been translated to English for North American students with us in the studio to discuss the program. Is Professor Yaffa Zuber Shots Chair of the Council's Planning and Budgeting Committee to talk about? Why American Jews might want to apply for the program Professor Shots Welcome? Thank you very much for inviting me. So tell us about this study for Israel initiative. How did it develop? What was the purpose behind it? Okay so we. In Israel have a wonderful academic system a system it consists of over sixty institutions most of them sponsored by the government in this way under our auspices. No we figured out a thing. Endettes it did. We're very excellent in many things but we're farro remote from the average of the OSCE countries having foreign students. Now you would ask. What is that for and we do understand it in this world. You need diversity in part of diversity is of foreign students coming to your country and making your system much richer than just you know. Same People Same Age. Same same same same. And that's why academic consideration will launch the product of studying Israel because if the averaging oil OECD countries is six percent foreign students. Israel has one point five percent forest considerably lower. It's very low and we think it's wrong for the system. That's why we were launching. No our academic institutions to have many international cluber goes usually easer professor versus professor research versus or Israeli. Going up to teach someplace or do there pushes students someplace but we have less. People coming from America is an example to Israel to use our institutions as lecturers as researchers postdoctoral students or a summer undergraduate students. Okay and we figured out. Let's go with the campaign about studying as well make the magic of started playing started country the Stop the plan. Something that you touch that you feel make the Jewishness. The Christianity. The special culture of the state were religious. Were born part of your life. May Diversity reach you meet. You were campuses. You'll see Arab C- choose you see jury and you'll see the students of all ages religious ultra-orthodox nonreligious come in touch. This is real experience study. Newsreel engage in our excellence. So you said that. The percentage of foreign students is very low. What about study abroad programs because I know a number of colleges and universities across America have study abroad programs and options in Israel you very. They do have but probably doesn't amount to begin amounts of students for example. We visited yesterday. Princeton. They've a study abroad for in Israel the sending every year to three students. Two or three right. So it's a mean it. It's there the MO you assigned but people are not lining in rose to go on the airplanes in come Well people are lying on rose on airplanes to come to Israel in the business and try to invest in our stock nation. What I am calling upon as head of my committee is responsible for education as well take one step before. Don't come only when you mature. Then you want to make your business look at our institutions because they are the seed where the start of nation grew up Is this knowledge that made this country. Suspicion right come fairly that it'd be part of you. So now the courses I would presume half to be translated into the languages of the countries that you're recruiting found I. Where are you recruiting from? Which countries are you targeting to bring International Students? And what translations are indeed available. So let's start from the very beginning of the defect that we have such a low number of foreign. Students is the fickle teaching Hebrew. So it's very difficult to calm studying Hebrew so in order to come up with a call of studying Israel we head to make sure that universities and colleges have capacity to do it And Force and foremost capacity is translating forms to English. Okay entrance eighteen courses and programs to English okay because if you cannot teach in English you cannot have non-israelis coming to study how many Jews can study academic courses in Hebrew very few. How many foreign Andrew Skin to it. So actually what we have done in the last two years we've invested a lot of money and energy to build capacity within institutions. We have now twenty three four degrees undergraduate in our institutions and over hundred graduate degrees so in a certain way when we come we call you in America. Come to his. Well we know that you have forward to come now we prioritized. The United States is from the Western Hemisphere as a first target of bringing foreign students in all degrees up two postdoctoral experience to Israel and from the East we speak really about China in India Seeing the very important countries for the relations of Israel for future business for understanding probably they can get him our institutions more than can in this. But it's still worth the contacts with the best advocates of the country and the best people really to convey the statistician a vision mission when they go back so India in China and United States so of those twenty-three programs you mentioned undergraduate. What's available I mean? Are you talking predominantly math science? Every history everything you can go. We've built a wonderful Internet site which is called studying Israel. Okay engaging excellence dining is going to start in Israel you will see each everything that we have Eddie. Universities won't course is who teaches how is life. How'RE THE EXPENSE SAYS? What should you leave? Who should contact? It's all they're like everything in the modern world a good Internet site the work so what about extracurricular activities because obviously coursework is just a small part of college. Have you made adjustments or accommodations elsewhere on candidates is very very important question so first of all? We've built foreign students offices so that the students have home because they're aware of home they must have an address for each and every question that is being raised. They must have support So this year we'll find in each of institutions that calls upon for students to arrive in its gates. The other thing is that we believe that many of the students that arrive slash will soon or eventually will arrive to Israel that we all desire not only to sit in the campuses but actually touch upon the magic of the start of nation and see how start the porks and really feel that they're part of whatever is going on so I call upon from the stage to see the two we have created a panel sheep in innovation synthesis in each and every university. And I think that the universities and colleges that call upon foreign students who will bring them through these centers and will teach them on one hand because this is an academic institution but will also open them up to what's calling beyond the ivory tower and we really make sure that everything that we do to date. Universities are sank u eighteen basic knowledge in basic research in the other tower simultanously opening the ivory tower to the world This combination exists in our campuses. And we really invite each and everyone to come in heavy zone experience. Okay so I mean the pressure on. Campuses is just one expression of many forms of hostility that Jewish students feel on American campuses. These days and I know a lot of parents shop around for colleges that are safe for their children and are very concerned about this level of hostility. Should they yes? Initiative be viewed as an option for families to consider to avoid that kind of problematic situation. No question about the answer is of course yes okay. I just want to make it very clear actually. Our motivation is very academic in that sense but if the outcomes are also beneficial to American Jewish families then that's what the state of Israel exists for That whenever your problem any place it's us. So we have the academic motivation. But it's not steady in technion for example which is in the Himalayas It studying take neon which is in Haifa Israel And he's well is the country of the Jewish people so this what we're therefore okay professors over shots. Thank you so much for joining us in the studio and we hope you enjoy your stay in the states. Thank you very much for hosting me in. I really apologize to the audience for my horse voice. Not just the outcome of this winter well winter and travel right and I wish everybody a bachelor I said about Shalom. Now it's time for our closing segment. Chabad table talk and joining us about table. This week is Judah Gross. The military correspondent for the Times of Israel. Judah when you're talking with your family and friends at your table this weekend. What are you going to be talking about? So this Chabad. I'll be up in the picturesque community of Iran Jakko and Israel's Northern Coast. Where will undoubtedly be talking about an article that was published this week about a Lebanese man who became a spy for Israel collecting intelligence and recruiting assets from the Hezbollah terror groups and whom Israel abruptly cut ties with last year leaving him stranded in a foreign country facing deportation and imprisonment back home? So I'm legally barred from disclosing his name. But in the article I referred to him by the student in Benjamin Philip and so I'll do the same thing here so oddly enough. The first time I spoke to Benjamin I was also run in August. It was shortly after. My inlaws moved there from London and he'd contacted the Times of Israel because he'd been cut off by the Mossad and was facing deportation back to Lebanon and at that point. He said he would sooner commit suicide than go back. Benjamin had already been imprisoned by Hezbollah twice once for a few months on suspicion that he'd been aspired for the CIA and then again for two years when he was caught looking at the most. That's website and Lebanon. Pretty sure and he has reason to be correct that if he does get sent back to. Lebanon. He'll be in prison for a far longer time and face significant torture and abuse because in addition to being a spy for Israel. He's also get so. He provided Israel with information for years and even commenced a member of the Turks elite Redwan unit to defect and spy for Israel and yet suddenly Israel was ghosting him though in September. I traveled abroad to meet bench-men I still can't say to wear. And he told me his story including a particularly depressing childhood in southern Lebanon. It took a considerable amount of time and effort for us to be able to get her story approved by Israel's archaic in my opinion military censor but even though it's been published. The story is not over since I met with him abroad. Benjamin since travel to Europe and his currently seeking asylum there. He's hopeful about his chances and he's also getting therapy from a local. Lgbt organization so this Chabad will be sitting around the table talking about what we owe the folks who make Israel's incredible intelligence and military operations. What about you might you as a really powerful story? Judah thank you for sharing it and I also since I have you here at the table. I can thank you personally for translating the IDs poem for children last week I use that translation for this various segments and when we talked with my family at the Chabad table so in case any of our listeners have not figured this out yet. I was not raised particularly Jewish yiddish. Words do not roll off my tongue with ease and household names or titles in the Jewish. Canon. Don't come naturally Savvy here can attest to the fact that before some episodes I occasionally to run names and terms by him to make sure. I don't sound like an utter fool and this segment was no exception. So imagine you ever sounding like an utter but I just did a moments ago. Sevi- I was particularly excited that the Oxford English dictionary has included dozens of quote unquote Jewish terms in. Its latest edition. So here we go fuxing batch. Capelle was that okay. Do Okay all right and here are some easier ones that also included. Glatt Kosher Hanukkah Gelt. Awesome sauce okay. The last ones not Jewish but it is one of the new words. There were a number of terms though that some people also found offensive yet or yet oh to refer to a Jewish person. Ju- York For New York Jew like to refer to a stereotypical characteristic of Jewish person. Now I have no problem with the inclusion of offensive terms in fact I welcome it as long as the definition includes the fact that those terms are indeed offensive. Some entries did some did not some were noted as used regularly in certain contexts regardless of their offensiveness for example fans of the Tottenham's hotspurs sometimes call themselves yields a nickname I adopted by their opponents now embraced by the fans. Themselves now is Tottenham Tottenham Tottenham. Oh well see there you go. I can't even say British terms correctly. This is angered the soccer club. This this reference to their Fandom in the Oxford English dictionary but linguists have rightfully argued. That part of a dictionaries role is to document the history of words their origins and their modern adaptations the addition of dozens of yiddish words and Jewish phrases and yes. Derogatory terms provides a way to keep track of that now. Interestingly Judy got its own entry as well. And the definition of Anti Semite gotTA revision it's defined as characterized prejudice hostility or discrimination toward Jewish people on religious cultural or ethnic grounds. Now Judah Saffy I ask you. Is that definition. Accurate is it sufficient. I think sometimes there's Anti Semitism even when no Jews are involved Interesting Okay Judah what about you? I mean it doesn't say that it has to be in the room for it to be antisemitic. It's just against Jews. I think that's enough for a dictionary. Definition Anthony Hey obviously books have been written about what is Anti Semitism but you know captures the a line in a book. Okay well I honestly wondered whether anyone considered the working definition of antisemitism that we often discuss an are circles adopted by the International Holocaust REMEMBRANCE ALLIANCE IN MAY TWO THOUSAND SIXTEEN. The definition of antisemitism refers to a certain perception of Jews which may be expressed as hatred. It can be manifested. Rhetorically and physically and those manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel when it's conceived as Jewish collectively however criticism of Israel as we all know similar to that level against any other country can't be regarded as antisemitic now. Anti-semitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity. And it's often used to blamed Jews for why things go wrong. None of this was mentioned in the dictionary definition. The IRA also insists that the hyphen be removed from the term anti-semitism because it allows for the possibility of something called Semitism and this was a pseudoscientific racial classification used by Nazis. But using it in this context also waters down anti-semitism meaning which is the opposition and hatred toward no one else but Jews. This is all missing from the dictionary's definition and the spelling of the term. And this is something that we're all concerned about the rise of anti-semitism. I think it's important that the dictionary be documenting. These terms be documenting the trajectory of these terms and I think that's what will probably be discussing at our table. Steffi went about you well folks the Kinara is almost full. It feels like for most of my life. Israel has been facing a drought or near drought conditions. But for the first time in years the Sea of Galilee the Freshwater Lake in the north of Israel is almost full. You know when we talk about Israel and often the first kind of color line that comes to mind is the Green Line in the nineteen sixty seven border between Israel and the West Bank but there are some other colored lines that are important to understand what you're talking about the keynote. There's the upper red line that's when the lake is full and threatens to flood the nearby city of of Tiberius. Then there's the lower red line when the sea is dangerously low and that is when people are supposed to stop pumping water from out of the Kinara to meet the needs of the local population. And then there's the lower black line which is the really bad one that is when the level is so low that it's actually below the pipe so it's impossible to pump water out and it's below the pipes by design because pumping it further could be ecologically irreversibly damaging for the lake. So perhaps unsurprisingly for people forged in the desert water is a critical component of Judaism. It infuses our traditional liturgy. It permeates our folk songs and poems and awareness of water flows throughout much of what we know about modern Israel. We know that the Dead Sea is the lowest body of water on earth. We know the importance of the Jordan River. We know about Israel's incredible innovations desalination technology turning the water from the Mediterranean into a portable resource. But the dead. Sea is dying drying up leaving nothing but salty pillars and it's wake and the Jordan River never the Mighty River of myth is often barely a trickle and desalination poses. Its own ecological drawbacks. And so it can't necessarily be relied on a reversal of fortune for the keynote. Could change all that if the keynote rises about a meter more. It'll hit that upper red line. When it threatens to flood the city of Tiberius end so Israeli officials will open a damn by kibbutz to Ganja the first ski boats to prevent flooding and when the damn opens water will flow down from the Galilee into the Jordan River and eventually into the Dead Sea. This is how the water ecosystem is supposed to work. In Israel water from the Golan Heights fills the Kinara the Kinara it flows into Jordan and the Jordan nourishes the population and replenishes the Dead Sea. A mix of geopolitics and climate. Change has disrupted that system in recent decades but at least right now. The Circle of water life is basically backward. Should be and that's something to be thankful for and something we'll be talking about at my table. She'll botulism everyone that's him. Actually you can subscribe to people of the pod on itunes or Google play or spotify or learn more at AJC dot org slash people of the Pie. 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2038 - The Sudanese Anti-Austerity Movement & the Upcoming So. African Elections w/ Milton Allimadi

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

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2038 - The Sudanese Anti-Austerity Movement & the Upcoming So. African Elections w/ Milton Allimadi

"You are listening to a free Berge of majority report with Sam cedar to support this show and get another fifty minutes daily program. Go to Jordi dot S M, please poor for today's show comes from no ordinary lawsuit. A podcast a podcast that takes listeners behind the scenes of Juliana verse United States, a constitutional climate lawsuit. Brought by twenty one young Americans against the federal government. The most recent episode examines what the US government knew about the dangers of climate change. And when listen wherever you get your podcasts. Giardi rob with Sam cedar Thursday, February twenty eighth two thousand nineteen. My name is Michael Brooks, Michael Thursday. This is the five time of ward winning majority report or broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravage wants canal in the heartland of America downtown Brooklyn USA on today's program journalist political analyst, Milton Alamatti joins us. We're talking about the anti austerity democratic movement still rolling through Sudan, the violent suppression in state of emergency declared by Sudanese leader, Omar al-bashir, why did all the same people who several years ago were so worried about Dr for not worried about a new crisis in Sudan that implicates. The global economic order also touch on South Africa. South Africa, gearing up for elections in may who were the players as the new Siro Ramaphosa and see reclaiming the heroism and heritage of liberation movement. Or is it continuing to fail to deliver for the poor. But are there any alternatives? If that is the case, Milton, I will tackle it. Donald Trump and Kim Jong UN have abruptly ended their summit in annoy with no deal. But apparently, they're still friends as we continue to live in the fallout of the destruction of the enormously successful Iran deal, Iran's, foreign Minister, Jawad Sirri, the architect of so much progress and things like the Iran deal with said said a couple of days ago. He wants to resign president Rohani refused to allow him to do. So. So he still there. Michael Cohen, in addition to converting all of the obvious protests nece, Donald Trump that he reveal a fascistic threat in the form of saying Donald Trump won't necessarily leave power. If you lose power and twenty twenty that's DeVos is pitching a new tax credit to support school choice programs as she continues her low key rampaged through public education, the Republican North Carolina political operative who was indicted on election fraud might be facing new charges in that case Pakistan has released an Indian pilot slightly cooling down the crisis on the subcontinent. Then as well. And. Might be profoundly dissatisfied with government, but they overwhelmingly oppose US interference and clues Cubans registered the sense. But in an apparently clean poll affirm their support for socialism with reform as the US administration. Also success suggests that this broader far-right push in Latin America might also take aim at Cuba. Beta aurora. Why can't he just take out a fascist in the Senate? Apparently, he wants to join the twenty twenty fields booze boo, boo, boo. Boo Melik Buddha or. Yeah. Budo aerobic transgender servicemembers testify before congress about Trump's possible ban Medicare for all push exposes corporate lame Democrats as that Bill moves forward India's. Forest dwellers are protesting new government move against deforestation belying, the government self-proclaimed proclaimed commitment to Indian traditions and the United Nations suggests that Israel, committed war crimes in Gaza. Even as prosecutors have unveiled charges just a couple of minutes ago of bribery fraud and breach at the public trust against Benjamin Netanyahu who will be out campaigning with some of the biggest over racists in Israeli society. All that and more on today's majority report. Let's get started the three of us are here. Let's get started. With people miss a when we talk about Sebastian Gorka. And look, you know, the guy's really unimportant. He's kinda back to the like, the terrify senior citizens at a buffet in Palm Beach. About Hezbollah's circuit. And he's got some dumb radio show, which you know. I mean, hey, I welcome anybody wants to call and share your thoughts about him with him. Tell him about himself on his radio show if you're so inclined but Gorkhas back he's back in the game. He was at the CPAC conference. And I mean, he really is the most David Brent thing in the world. This is Sebastian Gorka talking about what's really going on with the green new d. Biggest threat to America is not socialism in Moscow socialism here in America. Polenta plans. According to the amazing victims of communism memorial foundation. They did a poll Austria in which they found that fifty two percent of American millennials would like to live in a socialist or communist America. That. Yes. Indeed, boo. Yes. Indeed. That is why forty four zero democrat candidate in the lost midterm election called themselves socialists that is why Alexandra Casio Cortez. Oh my God. He's begging for a boo here. House introduced the green and you deal, which is which is remember this one use it. It's a watermelon. Green on the outside deep. Deep red communist on the inside. They want to take your pickup truck. They wanna read though, do they want to take away your hand bug? This news one Stalin dreamt about but never achieved. Right. You are on the frontlines of the war against communism. Coming back to America under the guise of democratic socialism. Which is just a PC term for communism. I want everyone to take to heart. Donald J Trump is never going to let it happen. And as he said to congress America will never be a socialist country. He soaked sukey in his probably this is why. Roic? Pause looking down with other members of the. America, america. I that's a great name for radio show. Have you heard of it now drag it out, I America always God bless all of you can ask your favorite before. I go the boss always likes this. Can you stand up, and we'll give you a thumbs up. Everybody. God bless. God bless. America of radio sponsored by webby sticks. Which you might remember from season. Two of the surprised not a very alpha way to end a speech to take a picture for your boss. Laura's loves when everybody we'll go into crush communists, socialists. Now, if you wouldn't mind can't we take a selfie for the ball. When I say, I league's Andrea CEO Cortez. That's your signal to start booing. We've been there's a new Abbas Zuni and route that cure diabetes. They've bought block advertising look out then back yard. Jay's a numbered. Now. If you excuse me, I rented a Lexus. I mean, this guy is real it's amazing. It's like you get some like joke degree. And then you just you go on the circuit and it somewhere. It's a cross of hilarious and terrifying. Doesn't one hand. That's not totally joke. I'm sure there are a lot of like, you know, concerned seniors at the Palm Springs luncheon for saving democracy from his Lama terrorism and this buffoon goes up there. And basically, you know, terrifies much eighty year olds that should be sitting on the beach enjoying their their golden years. But instead he's they're going to like what you don't realize that what you on your way to get your mock Jato HAMAs is watching like shooting tortoise off in the buys. And then in in a in a non tragic comic way. This is also the type these like, you know, pseudo terrorism experts were hired by local police departments. And. Two other law enforcement agencies where they actually are basically just fueling, you know, conspiracies bigotry and propaganda to loop into actual initiatives against like the Muslim community. And so this is a roundabout way of saying, you know, look Sebastian of everybody, you get a rich wife a bullshit degree and becomes some type of weird like David Brent of fake terrorism. Studies maybe we will all be democratic sushi list's. Yes. Indeed boot. Indeed this. Before we abolished ice. It's got one last operation. I can't wait till this guy that should be a new demand for twenty twenty Democrats as deport Sebastian Gorka. Did he knowledge his association with various undesirables on his immigration application? Did he I don't know. I think I saw something in the tab with. But said that was fine. That was all. Oh, yeah. I think you'll find that connections to fascist movements in Europe, all totally fine. If you're willing to say that Palestinians already human beings, you must be wearing all thought IX because you stand correct. All right, guys. We're gonna take a brief break, and we'll be right back with the great political analyst, Milton Alamatti were talking about the movements in Sudan and upcoming elections in South Africa. So it's. Does. Cantering back. What am I? Welcome back to the majority report. Michael Brooks here joining us now is Milton Allah. He's the publisher of black Star News and a adjunct professor of African history at John Jay college, Milton. Thank you so much. I should say can regularly hear him on the Michael brook show. Hey, it's five puzzlement. Thank you for having me on your show again. Oh, thank to doing much for being here. Man. I I just always learn so much appreciate talking with you. Likewise, you ask good questions too. I ended up learning something. That that is a big that is honestly, very good to hear from you. So where I get to embarrass by that. Lemme lemme lemme lemme let me try to continue that tradition of asking good questions in the Sudan right now there has been an ongoing movement for a couple of months now and the leader al-mahrah Bashir has just announced a form of kind of martial law for a year and also reshuffled his cabinet. Can you explain I guess what's happening? What is the movement? What who was the government in power, people know, almost all Bashir is certainly very brutal leader responsible for a lot of crimes, but these protests are the response them has been violent might fit into more of a story than might in some ways have more to do with as an example, something like the yellow vest movement. And also the the policies that. Maral Beshir's actually followed that very in line with the demands of global capital. Absolutely. Arba sure is a been in power for like thirty years. He took power in the military coup. And at the time when you took power he was supported by Han. I'll try be the late onto who was like a scholar and one of the leading it's on its incident big advocate of strict sharia law and after he helped, but she sees power. They pushed with a strict interpretation of Syria pushing it in the southern part of the country's. Well. And in fact, it ended the peace agreement that had existed at escalated, the civil war into Sadat as a result, south Sadan is today and independent country. It what its dependence after referendum. It had a lot of support from the US, but independence twenty eleven. And why do I bring that up? That's a critical issue because when south Sudan became and independent state along with it went all the major oil fields. And Saddam relied on oil eighty percent of its income. So when all the oil disappeared Saddam now had no major revenue source, it became increasingly dependent on the Gulf states for assistance, and it became really dependent on loan survive. The economy is to fifty billion dollars. That's the depth. By December last year. The people could not take that pressure anymore. It's like show was I think letting around eighty percent. The price of bread, which is bigger staple went up like by three hundred percent wild the side of south the side of the lows of bread Strunk by fifty percent, you needed a special permit to buy several those of bread, and you only allowed to buy it. If you need it for like like a funeral for weddings. So that was the extent of the pressure by December. So what started out as they call it the bread protests that of course, escalated very quickly because they realize this is our ongoing under the same leadership of the same the last thirty years, so at that point, the professional the unions are professionals incident, and they're always had very well organized unions professional class, particularly the students the teachers engineer. And other professionals. They started taking the lead and supper twenty fifth. They have one of the largest public protests in Sadat's history. So we've transitioned very quickly from a a bread protests to I assure mice, go protest, and there's so much pressure. Now that journalists that I speak with incident told me that they believe that his time is up it will not be quickly. But eventually they see him perhaps being overthrown, you know, the recruited. Well, obviously the army was like eighteen its role. It's that he's politics and all the people that are in the streets. Now don't want that. So even if the army get rid of him that good knock resolve the crises. I think the pressure will continue the professional class the students. They want to transition away from military rule. And that's what happened the outside berry on liberal economics. World Bank IMF that'll apply. Not only to that. But three every African country. And I'm glad you raised that. Because at the end of the day, the countries are different, but the stories are pretty much the same countries that cannot really exercise economic control the decisions made outside by institutions like the World Bank and IMF determine the fate of every African country. So and that was actually going to be my follow up question, which you already covered which is distinction between a a change at the top which gets rid of a personality arrivers is a structural revolution. I mean, this is a conversation. We're seeing with regard to to Haiti right now, you know, people demonstrating wanting a wholesale rejection of a system in place that is backed and fortified by the United States and other colonial interests and also broad-based discredited political parties across the spectrum in Haiti. So that's what the protests about. So when we talk about that with regards to sedan. What is power looked like in Sudan today? I think you gave us a good understanding of the unions. The mobilization the students demand end the military role in Sudanese politics. But if the Sudan has lost weight. Oil which was my understanding of what made Sudan a prominent and important player and fortified relations places like China. What does what what is what is the significance of Sudan to the Gulf countries as an example, and what role beyond Bashir does this military? Does this government play as as something of a powerbroker in? It's part of the world. Like, what are the what are the networks that keep that militarize system in place? And how can they be undermined by the movement? I think the military will find it very difficult to sustain itself because who and how whether it be able to address the fifty billion dollar that they can't do that the professional class after release type that they have to have a government, though, civilians people that trained in comics people got bit in the forefront of leading the social movement into. So that the activists the professional people who don't want the continuation of ability. I think the tide is actually into favor at some point even after they get rid of us year. They will have to contend with the fact that they won't be able to stay government by themselves in terms of what why is still significant Donna because it's abled out to say that it's playing a row in suppressing. The migration of people across to Africa, then enter Europe sorts playing that card now which a couple of countries actually playing today that. You you. I can play a role in making sure that Africa on coming en masse into your and for that reason alone, there's value in at least to the west insisting. But she are in Powell as you notice it's not by coincidence that a few months ago sanctions we're actually lifted beating cer- dad was being brought back into the Neal liberal establishment reintegrated when interact nothing changed since. But she was pariah since was indicted by the IC, this is still the same but sheer, right? So nothing has changed structurally. But this would have continued as the narrative had the economy not just blown up in December. So that's why things now becoming. Increasingly increasingly expendable, and I think the stop gap measures going to be perhaps transitional built government. And I think it'd be so much pressure on that government that at some point that might actually allow open elections in this or that. This can be a good opportunity. Let new class of politicians to emerge in this to that. Because out is the I'm so much established parties the pressure is actually coming from the professional unions, and the students would not have much more credibility than the official opposition parties. So just because share is out it does back traditional opposition parties going to inherit the state. I think the jets the students going to play a significant role into whatever type of government established. It's about forgive. I mean, and it's I mean forgive me for this glib analogy, but it's it's like if you're the union student movement, you have to get through bushier, then you have to get through the military and traditional patronage networks oligarchies in the Dan. And then you need to get through the Gulf states, the west the World Bank. And I am f. Is various levels of coercion and control that any Salahuddin burns. Yeah. The challenge that actually is faced but by many, many African countries, right? Barring path if things don't evolve into that direction. Unfortunately, things are going to get a lot much worse than today. People are now surviving by what the called out like it's like a quitter economy because there's such a sweater essential products, including medicines that people actually tweet and say, I need this critical type of medicine when are you coming to this that and then somebody could make that connection Saudi there about a month, or so, and I could bring you experts surpri you bring it, and then you make the transaction wants to get into that country. That's not bad things today. It's likely it's and also. That this design a phobia and the resurgence of far-right fortification and wall politics in the Europe and the United States, but we should be cleared. This goes back at least certainly to the nineties all of the euro-zone, and you're the United States were in violation of their own obligations under international refugee treaties, going back a couple of decades. But after the way, yeah, and you can elaborate, please. But I just wanna just really underline that that they are able to the the synergy in repression internally with the kind of broad based repression of Europe in the United States in terms of wanting to keep people out. That's where there's a lot of these strategic alliances that are forged between a place like bus, shears, Sudan and the European Union as an example respond to that. And maybe a good also connected to the contrast in coverage iron. Remember back in two thousand seven or so. Dr four and other areas where Omar al-bashir, and of course, it was. I'm sure it's more complicated than it was presented. But we could certainly say, of course, Bashir was involved in crimes against humanity in various atrocities, no question and Sudan was an area where George Clooney was on TV where there was you know, you were supposed to wear a green pen. I think it was. There was a lot of energy now in a moment where end including some of the other things that have been stonning an amazing about these protests, which everybody can learn from globally everywhere. East west north south has been actually people saying on the streets in Khartoum like we are deformed. We don't want to be divided by the various divisions of the Bush Ahah regime has exploited just the way all right wing governments due to divide people from uniting around common interests. It's a, you know, it's an old story. We see it everywhere. It's not a factor here. It's barely registers in news in the United States that this guy that's so much energy was put into in civil society, and in kind of pot humanitarian concern while there might actually be an opportunity to actually depose the sky is committed so many crimes from power. And it's not even a blip. After your nine now because if we go with the most basic one. Don't care that much things that are happening. In this. And that's the honest twenty. When it comes to like issues of governance and democracy. Even people that are really sympathetic. I wonder how much. Africans are able. From national democratic counting system. Yes. Rebounded out that ton because he was actively engaged in a lot of killing, but since at least curing, but he's that much involved in those killings anymore. Washington really care gets to fund this. And I think that kind of attitude what's not. What's not? Applies to many African countries Brown. I think this is searching of patient them after longtime time, that's that DC too. Perception toward Africa in. That they pretty much have the anyway because people have not been able to see at different outturn. Exiting in Africa generally on tonight. So that is also one of underlying. Turf perspective if you look at dunk, sterling democratic comfortable in Africa. How many are there? Can point to South Africa. That's what I'm done them sending. But coming back, but people have percents those are exceptional, but the general North Africa to be like. This out today. Things are really really bad would be dealing with porting ongoing. Dennis fide that it's time for us to get winter here masturbation with all those images of starving Africa, perhaps stock I outright. So, unfortunately, place twit as well, but brought up a point in terms of outside role in creating the conditions that on my migrations in the first place, and we cannot you that things the much worse today than they were in the sixties and seventies. Because at that time. Aw. I'm. Africans drowning trying to cross the Mediterranean to even gets the doesn't. We don't even know how many died in the desert's to get to the shores for the can cross Toribio. We've never had these kinds of scenes in the sixty seventies eighties, but progressively with ancient Shaka terms of Africa's economy and its relationship industrial world has deteriorated significantly in the decades. And then you combine with that people being displaced from van many cases at each of the regimes displacing on people and breaching deals with foreign investors for a virtual farming. And so you find unemployment going up find no source of income. That's why these people are so desperate. I mean think about it know that others going ahead of crowning and dying and yet you still activity, right? And when they go to euro, it's not like the go hang out in the streets. They go whatever they get there. They find work and then start sending money back to family. That's out desperate things on some. Brought the connection because I always see has went free watch typical corporate media only present the impudence of the young people you'd never get to figure out. Why is it that they're making those desperate journeys in the first place? Yeah. Let's go to South Africa where there are elections. Actually that are going to be taking place in a couple of months may let's for before we, you know, we'll get to that in a second. But I think the setup maybe it will be useful just to go. I guess we'll just go through a personality to get to the bigger issues. President of Siro Ramaphosa he's been in power for about a year. Do you want to maybe? If you could give a brief introduction to who. He is an how his first year has been this is somebody with an extremely complicated legacy. Who is he how's it been going? Foresaw is an agent. Mining monopoly capital industry. Sure. Over of is recalled within from in the venture for the miners at. At and settled aboard that company. Milton milton. Sorry, you're cutting you're cutting out a little bit. So I don't know. What started just yes? Yes. That's perfect. Whatever it is. You just did is perfect. So please stay where you are in reset Kelly's think about that. No, no. Part about him being dental monopoly capital, reminding dust because I guess we heard that. So take it from there. Yeah. Right. Right. So I I it's basically going to continue to be an enforcer. Jerem four. So the only thing he can sell. Is that he's not as corrupt as Jacqueline Zuma? Right. But obviously corruption also depends on how you define it. Right. If you sighing these immoral deals with multinational companies and the deals dissolved in displacement of your citizens boy in the case of the bond kind of minors even in the massacres. That took we don't see corruption, but that's me ultimate form of collection. So while Zuma's was I I wouldn't say petty correction because it's still egregious. It's a different type of corruption was blatantly giving these contracts to supporters and acolytes and the governor family, which obviously well, so helping to finance his own deals in Africa. So that is to the extent that I would introduced force. I don't see him as an agent of change. Absolutely not. He could just say I'm much much better than Jack Zuma the TV's corrupt president of South Africa. And he is the the flag Barra the ANC and the ANC is projected to to win. But probably with a smaller. Margin. I think they now have two hundred and forty seats in the four hundred seat parliament. But the pressure is coming from not so much from the Democratic Alliance, which is now the other major opposition party. I think that about ninety seats in parliament. I think more pressure. That's probably coming from the economic feed them party of Malemba. Which only has about twenty five seats. But what they've done is the focus on an issue, which is burning issues on Africa and my aunt reform. So by being way, ahead of all the other parties ENC, actually, I mean, the yes. My Lamma being way ahead in terms of educating for reform the union, so you have to catch up and start saying Kinney amount of its own policies and become much more. Militant started talking about land reform for the first time last year. And in fact, they passed legislation and it was supported by the ANC and the F F and the DA opposed it. So the DA find itself now, the democrat got mines at a very odd point in its history. And its obviously came up at a time when ANC was seen as being as monopoly too much too much power in South Africa, and of the result of that that corruption increase, it was no longer the party of Nelson Mandela, and that's why there was an opening for the Democratic Alliance. But. Now when it finds itself having to oppose the just demands for reform, I think that's going to have and negative impact into its attention prospects from Africa today has a burning issue. I think it's not possible to embrace economic political democracy while you have economic attorney really some possible. How can you have the twin where twenty five years after was I like that and tie officially ended where you have the population which makes up about eighty nine percent dollars going down about eleven to twelve. Owning seventy four percent of the farms their land. And eighty percent of the population the brand population owning four percent from that. That's just not sustainable, and then you have it. And they could I'm sure as well where? Why household income is about six times more than black household? I think if South Africa does not really be trust this situation sooner rather than later, even the economic. I mean, the political democracy that enjoys today would be under tremendous pressure. I don't see how it would be able to be sustain. So that makes total sense. And I just wanna be really clear when we talk about land reform and land expropriation, I want, you know, the reason people need to think about this really carefully and really clinically is that there's going to be there already is unbelievable amount of fearmongering in lying and propaganda about it that takes place in western in the United States, and in Australia, and it's actually a new trope of the global all right in the Nazis and so on and I think it's. It's very important. I just wanna put two things we'll we'll get to next sec question a second. But I mean, one is an example, the landless workers movement in Brazil, David Harvey, the economist he said, it was it was the most perfect social movement he'd ever seen in the world. And a lot of these cases, at least in Brazil. But my understanding is also in South Africa. You're talking about, you know, you're not talking about a mom and pop, you know, Afrikaner farms of the couple of pigs in a couple of chickens, and a, you know, a pickup truck, right? You're talking about this is not it's the same way the estate tax gets talked about in the United States. We the conversation is not about taking that family that I just picked painted that picture. They're staying in their their little house. You're talking about us massive swats of land that through about miles of miles through. Racial is cop. It'll accumulation have been in a way that you can understand through the racial hierarchy and also through, you know, just raw like marxists would say primitive accumulation just stolen land that has been turned into property through them fictitious of contracts, and you're saying this is going to be handed back to work or cooperative to small farmers, and so on and not is definitely gonna mean that some oligarchs are going to lose assets. But this is totally not a question of of of of, you know, again, taking that small Afrikaner farmer off their land. In fact, if it's done properly it will help the small Afrikaner farmer as well. Right. Of course, there's so much. There's so once is enough everybody. But it goes back to read rights. I mean, it's a way of wanting to continue talk tied without officially calling. Apartheid anyone? That's what it is. Right. So it's going to maybe not this generation of white South Africans that are still beneficiaries. But if the next generation I also still being their mentality's condition buying the current beneficiaries. And of course, they benefit as well. I don't see how it's going to happen. I think perhaps we could go back and say the critical moment really was twenty five years ago twenty five years ago. That was really when a lot of these issues should have been brought up. And the longer that time passes. I don't see the beneficiaries being in a position to now as Amilcar abroad once famously said, how do you get the visualize commit suicide really because that's what it is. You have to be conscious choice that it's now time for me to sacrifice to be willing to that. Go of all this wealth that I have. In order to increase the number of benefits. Yes. I will let go a lot of well. But I'll still be wealthy because I'm saying if they don't do that at the end of the day, they might end up with nothing. You can't stop it. I mean, it's momentum that nothing else would be able to sustain you can't go back to school parking. Right. Right. So what are you going to do with for a way? I'm sorry. I said what happens to dream deferred. They would say, right. No really thinking about it. Yeah. So star after to me that is the critical thing right now that is the real story that, you know, obviously as you say in the western capitals is not seen that. This is of corruption. Yes. That isn't is. But that is not the big explosive time bomb that is affecting some Africa similarly in new beyond the midday exact same situation, where in fact, it's written in the constitution as a today that there would be no no land reform that the beneficiaries of the land at the kind of job had its independence continue to own the land. They would have to change the constitution as well. Be majority of the land owned by the previous white beep that I no longer even in today. So. Absentee landlords since August that to me it's one of the burning issue land, and the wealth and income distribution and the unemployment unemployment is increasing. I think it's up to twenty eight twenty nine now. And that's really hard in that situation. You have increasing remodel nice economy. You know, you can imagine that's truly Konomi with an employment rate of almost eighty percent. What do people do? And that's why when you say someone has one of. Hi, it's crime rates in the world. Been true. But then, of course, it's look at the factors economic factors. It should not be surprising to anybody. And my the lonely the last thing in the last couple of minutes and his big. But I just just to add to how disturbing it is. It seems like my read of it is that there that there has been obviously, a very powerful tradition in the liberation movement in the ANC, you know. Chris Hani, Ronnie Kasrils of basically, the socialist Marxist wing, and Ronnie Kasrils has been I've interviewed him. I mean, he was the former intelligence chief. He said, look we. Yeah. Yeah. And he said, look, we, you know, we said, basically, we acquiesced to the Washington consensus economic policies to political power. And what has happened though, in this process that seems really disturbing is that, you know, Jacob Zuma did this kind of fusion of basically, just fake populism and corruption. Now, you have, you know, the ANC under Siro Ramaphosa who has you say, I mean, people people should look into because the tragedy of ram opposes not only is he he he cut his teeth as maybe the most successful outstanding union leader in South Africa's history. I mean this guy. Right. Yeah. Right. Just bring it up. And yeah. Yeah. I mean, just this incredible force in the nineteen eighties internally fighting apartheid and capital monop- monopoly capital in South Africa. So, but he's really trying to he's almost like I would I would put him in the same kind of Geospace as like a manual mccrone. He's kind of trying to do a a third way neoliberal thing in a world where that's gone, particularly in South Africa that kind of consensus is not going to work. And then the Democratic Alliance is, you know, I mean, they're they're just they're even further in they're they're also in Neo liberal party. But without any of the ANC coalition partners and traditions that still have legitimacy and the trouble with the EFF is that they raise the right issues, and they are correct some their diagnosis, but they're really more of a, you know, essentially populous party, then a kind of radical socialist. One and they have their own charges of corruption and immigrant scapegoating. In addition to at times thing, you know, making categorical statements about the African which obviously contradicts the ANC tradition. So an actual left. You know presence that could do the radical redistribution and restore democracy. It's not there. I guess. Yeah. And I think the one really makes now appreciate how tragic it was when Steve Biko was murdered. In nineteen seventy seven. And people that any listeners about or not familiar with PICO please go to the search looking up. Yes. Very interesting speeches that you can listen to you to you can read this book. I write what I like. And I the what I think it's about ten minutes. Fifteen minute interview. Where he spoke about the South Africa that he? He had a vision of. And you said they would have to be a distribution of wealth. He said, it would be meaningless to guess say we had to replace the white political elite and politically with black South Africans would be there would be no chain notice sense would be facing the same issues. And he was absolutely on point. You wonder if Steve Biko has not been murdered perhaps the young class of young leaders that he would have been able to train and nurture to come after him. Because that is what some Africa lacks the. Yes. I don't have the intellectual rounding that's deco had and the vision that he had for South Africa trained, the medical doctor, but a brilliant organizer. A deep understanding of the economy as people will be able to tell if they go to you to listen to what he's saying, you know, person I feel that South Africa. God Sadan your limit eighty country. What for them to change the equation domestically? They have to change their blogging Colin with industrial world and another good teacher on that front. Was late Samir uneven just died about a year ago. I also recommend people not familiar with them to look at my also visit some of his lectures on YouTube because he said, basically, what African countries need to do is to integrate commies and not be dependent on just speech, injuring factories. In the countries having industries without industrializing. In other words, they're just renting space for foreign months month. Nationals who go to set up the factories, so they can benefit from cheap labor, cheap resources and also markets put Todd and who sustained this regime as we started out earlier in this show, the World Bank, and I met because they make access to capital conditional. If you want loans that you want financing everybody needs a loan start something if you financing business anything if you want these owns condition. They conditions conditions amount. Multinationals to come to set up here. Basically, no rules. If you are now free imports of products, meaning you'll never be able to manufacture the products yourself, when it's you know, historically, every country that is industrialized today had to protect industry for certain period of time. So you're saying African countries cannot do that individually that don't have the political will power to sustain the press that would come from the outside world. So they need to start thinking regionally and collectively and be on the same page, then they can start negotiating some advantages and start gaining from the tremendous resources. They have look at Congo at country a country, like the Congo, for example, twenty seven trillion dollars worth of resources. It has the product that goes into all these cell phones and electron equipment, as you know, fulltime and has about sixty percent of the world's coup balanced, which is going to be the biggest thing now as Vectra cars become. Increasingly much more important. And yet you find Cam income in Congo less than three thousand dollars, and it will remain that way until Congo stuff Africa. Maybe. Gone sedan unless they can really change their bargaining tunnel with industry world, I always like to say, I remind people I tell my students. What people who saw the film the Munda? Picks film. Remember that scene when the Belgian general who's now being fired by the MoMA, he told his African soldiers. He said as far as I'm concerned after independence equals before independent and tragically if it comes to the structural structures of African economies that is absolutely the same. It's like Berlin conference in eighteen eighty four eighty five when the continent was partitioned, and it was set up basically reservoir for cheap labor and raw materials. It's exactly the same today in the twenty first century. 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Imaginative Detroit Square Project Would Transform Midtowns Cultural Center

Daily Detroit

13:13 min | 1 year ago

Imaginative Detroit Square Project Would Transform Midtowns Cultural Center

"It's Monday, June twenty nineteen and this is your daily Detroit. I'm Jerry stays. And I'm spend Gustafsen. We're recording. An update addition today at the podcast, Detroit studio at the Detroit shipping company. We've got plenty of news to run down for you right after this daily Detroit is brought to you in part by repurpose, that's where you can get hired by Detroit's best startups and companies refurbished connects top talent, like you with purpose driven companies based on values experience and culture fit. Join their talent community at repurpose dot CO. That's repurpose dot CO. There could be big change in store for Detroit's cultural center near the Detroit institute of arts, and the main branch of the Detroit library on Monday. The DIA in the organization midtown Detroit selected a design team from France. A Jones tear along with several local partners to create a new Detroit square. The plan encompasses ten blocks across eighty three acres in the area of the city's twelve cultural, institutions their draft plans are bold and include suggestions, from a survey of more than one thousand residents, including the fascinating piece of information that many people didn't seem to know that we had a cultural district who knew there would be large green spaces that connect the twelve attractions in the area. It would include new paths cafes art installations a deejay booth and amenities to support artists like performance spaces on the tech side. There's a big focus on adding WI fi, and five G cellular connectivity throughout the square. Also interesting changes to make Woodward out front. Of the DIA easier for closure for festivals and events. That's something that happens very rarely right now and not even know well night closes Woodward avenue anymore to be clear. This is a draft plan and the final version would come together and about a year and a half. We'll have renderings and all that up on daily Detroit. But spent this one so bold we gotta talk about it yet. Clearly, they are embracing the whole concept of transit oriented design, which is kind of a wonky term for, you know, increasing pedestrian opportunities and and access to transit, and things like that making things. More human scaled less car Centric, and everything closing, Woodward, obviously, is a big component of that which they say, they would do during special events, and you mentioned Noel night, I have wonderfully fond memories of Noel nights. It's a great event hanging out on Woodward avenue when it's closed to traffic during that event and there's vendors selling hot cocoa and there's coral groups and, and performance. The band's playing music. I mean it really opens your eyes to what could be in the city. Not just because there's tons of people out on foot walking around in a city that is designed around the car. I'm looking at this and I really like it. I will say for Detroit in general. It's really kind of out there like you take what's happened with campus Martius park and all of that. And kind of turn the dial to eleven and that's what you've got here because this is just so much bigger in scale. But I think with the success that has had I could see a lot of success with this. I mean it's been shown, when you build places that people want to hang out. Hang out in people come you. Absolutely. And we're you know to be clear. We mentioned the twelve cultural institutions. We're talking about the DIA the main branch of the public library. Obviously, the Detroit, historical museum, the Charles H, right? African American museum science center university of Michigan, what used to be called the Rackham center, they're building so cool man that building the center for creative or college for creative studies is I think it's called now right? And these would all be linked by pedestrian pathways kind of like a winding pedestrian pathway, which I think, is a really cool idea. And it's it's kind of amazing that they that hasn't been done yet. Lots of you know, landscaping storm water management practices. So it's very I, I feel like it's very of the this era, and in reflecting some of the concerns of the era, not, not simply just, you know, transit oriented oriented design, but also climate change in mitigating. Some of those risks it's gonna be really interesting to see how this one comes together. If you like to drive your hot rod along Woodward during the summer take note, the city of Royal Oak says, it's taking a zero tolerance approach this summer to a legal activity involving Woodward. Cruising in a Facebook post. The city says that Royal police respond each summer to speeding loud music, littering and cars parked illegally on private property along the city's nearly six miles of Woodward avenue frontage that kind of activity has grown to become a regular feature in the months before. And after the Woodward dream cruise the massive one day event takes place this year on August. Seventeenth it regularly draws upwards of a million people, the city rights that quote the summer long activity is incredibly disruptive to the otherwise quiet, treeline neighborhoods, adjacent to Woodward, and quote police chief Corrigan O'Donoghue says residents and businesses have had enough with the summer long cruising activity. He says that asking motorists to move along has quote to become like herding cats. Cats and is a serious drain on police resources. He says residents and business owners want police to patrol more aggressively against the illegal cruising activity. Police are asking people to call the nonemergency line at two four eight two four six thirty five hundred to report infractions. This is an interesting one to me van because this is one of those events that people say, is quintessentially Detroit. But I mean you live out that way. But to me feels like there's the folks for the most part, there's always exceptions. But there's folks who actually live around where the dream grew happens. And then the folks that go to the dream cruise I feel like they're kind of two different groups. I don't know. What do you think? Well, I mean, I it was interesting looking at the comments below the, the city of Royal Oakes thread on Facebook. I mean, you know, always a risky proposition right to read the comments. But a lot of people are, you know, making these snide comments about will wedge by eight hundred square foot, you know, flat in Royal Oak, whatever. I mean, clearly like some people don't it's like when it doesn't happen in there. Neighborhood. They don't understand. But yeah I mean I I live a block off Woodward. And I am well familiar with, you know, the sound of gunning car engines late into the night along Woodward. I mean I live down near eight mile, which is kind of, you know, well off the beaten path of cruise central but, but yeah, this is an issue and I mean I've, you know in recent summers, it has definitely become a regular thing to see parts of Woodward closed off earlier, just see cops out on mass. You know, trying to sweep this traffic off of Woodward to, you know, open it for regular use. But, you know, I think what's really interesting is I mean, Woodward is at least by mileage on, on Woodward self the frontage. It's got to be one of the biggest cities participating cities along along the route. Right. I mean Royal Oak. Yeah, yeah, I mean, especially about population. I think it would have to be the biggest city if you lose support of Royal Oak. What does that say about the larger dream cruise like that could spell trouble for that? A signature event going forward. Thanks to my low for their support of the daily Detroit podcast Milo was a marketing agency that produces amazing experiences for audiences. They partner with their clients to drive, business and create innovative content. Do cool stuff with them at Milo dot agency. Google is investing seventy million dollars into an expansion in southeast Michigan. The money will be split between their offices and Ann Arbor and Detroit. The search giant plans to lease an additional floor in Detroit at Little Caesars arena in Ann Arbor. They're leasing an additional building the Detroit project will be completing twenty twenty and Ann Arbor, a year later when it's complete Google have more than two hundred sixty thousand square feet across the state. Federal ficials will begin auditing federally funded building demolitions in Detroit, and other Michigan cities for risks of spreading contaminated soil. Democratic US reps, Brenda. Lawrence of Southfield and Rashida to leave of Detroit requested the audit from the special inspector general for the troubled asset relief program, also known as sick tarp, which is the worst acronym. I've ever heard by the way they want the agency to implement its own recommendations from twenty seventeen regarding specis exposure, illegal dumping, and contaminated soil, tarp, by the way was the federal bailout fund and acted in the wake of the financial collapse. Back in twenty eight officials say, Michigan has the highest number of tarp funded demolitions of any state, and Detroit has the highest number of tarp funded demolitions of any city in the country. Sig tarp previously launched a criminal investigation into Detroit's demolition program several years ago over alleged improper, bidding, practices, and high costs. I'll. Will note that, although that investigation only had a limited scope, this tarp thing, it just seems one way or another. It doesn't seem to go away there, always seems to be another thing and then another thing. And then another thing I just want to know where I can buy a cigar, Pat. They're everywhere when you visit downtown Detroit. I'm talking about security guards because of people's dim view of safety in the city. It's arguable whether downtown's resurgence happens without them now about one hundred guards working for a firm hired by Dan Gilbert's bedrock real estate have voted to strike. They demand fifteen dollars an hour from secure America, their employer and a path to join a union currently, the worker say they make about eleven dollars an hour no strike action has been taken and the workers were not expected to walk off Monday. Last week, we told you about a suspected serial killer on the loose in Detroit today authorities charged a man considered a suspect in that case in a separate attack. The Wayne County prosecutor's office says Dangelo Kenneth Martin was arraigned Monday on one count of salt with intent to murder and four counts of first degree criminal sexual conduct the alleged victim is a twenty six year old and one of two women that police say were able to ward off his attacks and escape Martin who is thirty four was arrested Friday evening at a bus. Stop near seven mile and Grasset Detroit. Police chief James Craig says he believes Martin is tied to the deaths of three women all of whom he says, were sex workers. Before we let you go s- fan, you made the studio laugh today. But then I thought, maybe this isn't a terrible idea when it comes to the grand prix laid honest, man. All right. So yesterday, Sunday, I was out running errands, and with my kids and I was out at Oakland mall in Madison heights. You know what's the best ad ever? Fourteen mile. Thank you, fourteen mile and John are, and you know, it's mid afternoon it, in fact, I had to go back there because I, I mean, this is too much information, but I grabbed the wrong size box of shoes for my son, I was I was buying shoes from dick sporting goods. So I had to go back by myself, and I'm cutting through the vast parking lot there. I mean, we're talking vast acreage of concrete. Right. And there's a ring road that goes around this, but there's just concrete everywhere. I mean, and it's just there's no parking there. So, you know, you can just drive it'd be like, drivers nirvana there, and I it dawned on me. They're all these people that want to move the grand prix off Belle isle. Right that Bell's. Not suitable. We had we reason episode talking about this. It's beautiful for the TV cameras. But so let's move the bell. Let's move the grand prix to the ring road around Oakland mall because that again, vast acreage of concrete that already exists. I mean, sure you might wanna repave some of it, and bring it up to speed, but it's underutilized. You know, you've got good freeway access your right by I mean, there's lots of great noodle shops. You know, there's a great Correa. There is super taco in Latina Mexican market over there. Why not you know I mean it's it's already built infrastructure. You wouldn't need to add any pavement, that's for sure. So Roger Penske. If you like this idea or Oakland mall. Hit us up daily Detroit mail gmaiLcom. You know what I would like to do, if they don't do the grand prix which, I mean, we'll, we'll see about that idea, go-carts wouldn't that be awesome? A big O car track. Indeed, maybe maybe one day it could become the daily Detroit, Detroit. Wait. The daily Detroit grand prix, presented by Milo. And we're done for today. Thanks to Kathy for becoming a member on patriot. We really appreciate you. Helping push Detroit's conversation forward, if you wanna join Kathy join us at eight three on dot com slash daily Detroit. Thanks so much Kathy. And thanks to you or listening. I'm spend gossips, and I'm Jerry stays take care of each other. And we'll see you around Detroit. You're listening to the podcast, Detroit net visit WWW dot podcast. Detroit dot com for more information.

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New York Times: President Trump knew of whistleblower complaint when he released aid to Ukraine; Bolton says national security priorities "under attack from within," yet Bolton has not testified; Warren: Bloomberg "plans to bypass human beings," is trying

Erin Burnett OutFront

48:24 min | 11 months ago

New York Times: President Trump knew of whistleblower complaint when he released aid to Ukraine; Bolton says national security priorities "under attack from within," yet Bolton has not testified; Warren: Bloomberg "plans to bypass human beings," is trying

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This is a new report just crossing from the New York Times which is reporting at this hour. That trump was briefed by White House lawyers about the whistleblower complaint in late August and the lawyers at that time told him they were trying to figure out if they had to give the whistle blower complaint to Congress. They were trying to avoid doing that. Of course this is crucial. Your talknet the late August the president of the United States finds out about the whistleblower complaint and remember he then only released that military aid after Congress announced announced that it was opening an investigation into his handling of that Ukrainian aid Maggie Haberman of the New York. Times broke the story and Maggie literally for anyone reading through it. I don't think they've they've even had time to get through all of as it's just crossing. The timing is very significant of what you are reporting tonight. What more can you tell us sure errands? So it's significant because this briefing By patsick only the White House counsel and John Eisenberg who is the main lawyer for the National Security Council took place at the end of August roughly two weeks before the freeze on that aid was lifted so we know that the president was aware that there had been in this whistleblower complaint filed against him in connection with his actions regarding Ukraine. Both in terms of this phone call that he had with presidents of Ukraine on July twenty fifth and the fact that the aid was frozen. Those are the key details in the whistle blower complaint and he was aware of it at the time when he reversed himself and and and he was aware of the whistleblower complaint and of course aware that they were trying to avoid this ever ending up with Congress. Yes which of course it did And then Maggie. Obviously we know the time line here. Is that it two days after Congress. The president's aware Congress is opening an investigation into what happened. That's when he finally releases the aid you also point out here that this is also very significant terms of what the president was thinking at the time he told. Gordon Gordon Sunland no quid pro quo. Explain what you mean sure. So and to your point about Congress the briefing took place at a moment when sip Bologna and Eisenberg. They were arguing. That they didn't think they had to share this whistle blower complaint with Congress. They thought that it was Covered by executive privilege and they were seeking an opinion From the Justice Department's Legal Office about what to do the Justice Department said they didn't have to share and they didn't but to your point. Congress ended up finding out anyway but this he found out about this complaint existing prior to a conversation that Gordon Salmon testified to Congress that he had with the president about questions about this aid being withheld and the president said to Sunland. There's no quid pro quo. That's according to silence testimony that's very specific language and that was language that was not part of the public discussion around this aid being withheld at that time when they had this conversation at the beginning of September. You're very crucial though. Because as you point out Maggie. Now knowing that he knew about this whistle blower complaint. He knew that the entire heart the entire concept of the entire thing was a quid pro quo. So the the fact that he introduces hang that that's that's right. He knew somebody was saying that or I knew that that was that was at least partly our understanding of it based on what he was briefed on was that that was part of the conversation conversation. I should note here that the the White House declined to comment on this briefing will on the timing. And what else Maggie do you think could be significant here. Obviously the the what this means for the president was thinking his use of the word. Quid pro quo. The way handled Gordon Sunland. All of that is very crucial What else do you think could be the implications of now knowing what the president knew when he knew it? I think anything that we can pinpoint as to what the president's mindset was Erin when he decided To free up this aid I think is is important I think you again. I think we still don't know exactly what pets Baloney and would white Eisenberg told the president about this aid and we may never know because those are conversations with the White House is going to argue or protected by executive privilege. We've seen executive executive privilege play out repeatedly in discussions of the president. Had with the previous White House counsel Don mcgann. So I don't expect this to be any different but again just underscores that the president was aware of what was going on. We're not saying that. He knew the whistle blowers name. At the time. I you know I never reporting has has indicated that he was told who it was But he was just told that this complaint existed And the fact that he knew of that as he took actions related to people learning about this matter going forward is crucial. It's also again vital this. We've known this but it's worth underscoring the efforts. The White House took to try to keep you Congress from finding out about this is going to be a key. Part of this inquiry goes forward absolutely certainly adding into the questions they have an obstruction Maggie. Thank you very much as I said Maggie breaking this story let's go now to democratic congresswoman Brenda Lawrence who sits on the House oversight committee congressman. I appreciate your time and you heard Maggie going through some of the reporting being there. Does this change anything. Now that You know when the president became aware of the whistleblower complaint but it was prior to that conversation with Gordon Sunland. It appears in which he you said no quid pro quo. Certainly it was prior to His decision to release the aid. What has been in so magical about the proceedings for impeachment and the hearing is that? It's you know someone says like an onion you just keep pilling away layer after layer and this is just solidifying that the president of the United States is not a truthful person that the the president of the United States was manipulating His his office manipulating aid to another country country and it was only until he felt that he was being exposed that he actually stepped up. And actually Release the funds this is very incriminating and this is a time for us to understand that history must reflect that we held this this president unaccountable. So you know in terms of what this means for Congress You Know Maggie just alluded to obviously the point here. The context in which the president found out was White House lawyers were trying to prevent this whistle blower report from ever getting in the hands of Congress. That's what they were trying to do. Do you think that in and of itself stability of obstruction corruption absolutely it's obstruction and it is one of the articles of impeachment. That will be the on the table and the president. Has You know from denying his staff to speak and thank goodness. We have judges who are true Interpreters of the law the president is not a king. The president cannot have subjects or loyal a citizens that serve only him that every government employees serve the people and so this is just it just keeps piling on and this this is very troubling because you you so often people will say that the president is not very smart. It shows that he was manipulating. He was in his obstruction and that he just blatantly lies and use that as a as a base for his deflections of what he does. Now you talk about this as a moment of history congresswoman and you did make some comments that are getting a lot of attention about this issue of impeachment and what to do here here is a part of what you said about President trump and he just played so viewers can hear it. We are so quote close to an election. I will tell you sitting here knowing how divided this country is. I don't see the value of taking him Out of office but I do see the value of putting down a marker saying. His behavior is not acceptable. I I want him sensors. I wanted on the record that the House of Representatives is their job. You say there. I want him censured. And you don't see the value of taking him out of office referring to president trump. What exactly do you mean by this congresswoman so I was asked about the the Senate and what is the Senate GonNa do after we vote for impeachment? I I have been on the record. Since two thousand seventeen one of the first to sign onto representative grains resolution for impeachment. I have not wavered from that but the discussion was will the Republicans in the Senate go through and impeach the president there there seems to be no giving in that right but the thing that keeps me awake and troubles me and what I was talking about is that there was actually a movement to resolve all the president of any wrongdoing. We cannot afford that to happen. So you're saying you want the house to but in the Senate instead of absolving him you'd rather they not vote on remover not realize that they vote on censorship. Essential Him in the Senate I I mean is that what you're saying because privately yes privately. The Republicans are saying yes. It's not right. He's done something wrong but is just not impeachable. We have to put a marker down so I'm going to do my job in the house and when it gets to the Senate I I was putting out there that this is a way for history to reflect that this president and any president from now on this is unacceptable trouble and that we will not tolerate it and that we will say as the checks and balances in our government that we did our job and that was my my call to this the Republicans in the Senate all right. We'll certainly I think you made it clear here. And I appreciate your time congressman. Thanks as always thank thank you so much and out front next breaking news. Democrats are now releasing two new impeachment transcripts. We've never seen before and we're finding out tonight that before anyone in Congress the American public knew anything about all this. Somebody actually resigned because they thought they were asking to be would they were being asked to do was wrong. 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Obviously we knew there was a congressional investigation that was underway two days before the aid was released that that's the public. We know that and that was very damning but this puts the President United States knowing about the whistleblower complaint in late August weeks before right. So it's a very significant easily. Could explain why he decides to restore the because of these being discovered essentially so there was a complaint in its allegations included the fact that the aide had been suspended and then raise this question and is that related so then when prison from restores the aid you might think that it's because he's been discovering he's try Maggie Haberman saying this was he found out about it from his lawyers in the context of they were trying to prevent Congress from finding out about it. So he knows there's this complaint but When he has this conversation with Gordon Samland in which he says no quid pro quo? He knows about the complaint but he still thinks he might be able to keep the complaint quiet Detroit and it's also interesting that the New York Times report identifies one of the two White House. Lawyer says says John Eisenberg because the New York Times had previously reported at mid August August fourteenth. He is on the phone with the CIA council calling the Justice Department with basically quickly. What the General Counsel thought was a criminal referral on the basis of the allegations that had been raised? That's Middle August. So if we now know. And that was the New York Times before and they've updated that story tonight night so if that same lawyer knew that and he was on the phone with the Justice Department in Middle August and now we know he actually did alert the president in late August to the whistle blower complaint add raises even another spectre. which is did the president know that as well that a referral had been made to the Justice Department that would be another reason why he want to restore the eight until Ambassador Sunlen no quid pro quo? Try to make the whole thing. Go Away and Nia obviously when you hear The name of that lawyer. Obviously this is also the lawyer that that did did. Vitamin Right. Had approached twice with concerns about the president's dealings with Ukraine so in other words this this lawyer had been aware since Late June right at least that there were serious issues here and concerns He he knew as much as anyone. Yeah I I think that's right and what you get right when you put all of the testimony together and you put this piece of the puzzle in from the New York Times. Is that people in real time. Knew about this and more calm complaining about it and concerned about at Bolton of course telling Fiona Hill to to raise her concerns about some of this to Isenburg. ISENBURG avidly knowing hearing complaints Both from Vinson as well as another witness. Whose name escapes me right now? But but that's that's what you get and I think if you're a Democrat so you know that this is going to happen. There's going to be more information that comes out about what was going on a from reporters from people just digging into this. You'RE GONNA have to wait on John on Bolton. Who Won't who you know? Sort of likes to flirt on twitter on this But but you're going to get some more information as this thing keeps going going on as we saw from Maggie's he's reporting in the near time and here's the context here as I think just perfectly pointed out people knew about this real time that they were. They were Fiona the hill knew about. We're talking to the lawyer. John Bolton told people to talk to the lawyers. We're finding out tonight in this in these transcripts just released Mark Sandy. The top White House budget official. Oh he was at the AU Embi was obviously who holds. The aid would would release the aid. Somebody asked him behind closed. Doors in the intelligence committee quote. Are you aware any individual in the legal division resigning or leaving at least in part because of Ukraine's security assistance the answer. Oh yes I am yes and I mean this yet so people were actually somebody actually. At least one person resigned over this so it sounds like all the alarm bells going off. It wasn't just people speaking to their other policy colleagues. They were speaking to the lawyers. They knew that this was a serious legal problem. And it's it's very notable that the person who resides in the NBA is in the legal division. And there's and according to Sandy. It's because they were concerned about the impoundment which basically said you need to spend the money and the Defense Department had said we. Actually she broke through one of the deadlines. The White House broke through one of the deadlines to spend the money so it makes complete sense that at a certain point people have their breaking points as well and a lawyer would say I. You know. I can't which which to be clear the reason these are laws. It's Congress controls the purse Congress had authorized the money. You can't just not spend it because you're the president you don't want not the way this country works that that'd be a constitutional violation right. It's legal in its aversion separation. Parents Nia but it is. It is incredible. Now what we're learning of just the sheer number of people who knew. And I understand that we've been sort of hit with at this point before there's a whistleblower complaint. Multiple people spoke to the whistle blower. But this new reporting here from the New York Times makes it even clearer. That one of the the council here White House counsel for for National Security was well aware that this was a soon nami about hit. That's right and you see from the White House is Maybe they can get in front of this Nami right. Maybe they can even prevent this whistleblower complaint from going to Congress because they're so damning and and then you have the president telling Gordon. Listen there's no quid pro quo. He's trying himself to get in front of this story. People were all always sort of wondering. And why would he just offer this information no quid pro quo just automatically on this phone call in now. I think we know why. Because he was aware of some of the contents possibly of this whistleblower complaints only was aware of the complaint aware. Probably of some of the connections this whistle blower was making so listen more and more information coming out drip drip drip drip drip for this White House. All right thank you both very much. A next. The Secretary of state playing games when it comes to testify in the impeachment probe when the time Ms Right all good things happen trump biographer. Now working for Michael Bloomberg. Why does he think that that is the best bet? To a beat trump. The tension homeowners with a strong housing market. If you bought a home more than a year ago chances are you of equity in your home then with the help of cashcall mortgage that equity can mean cash in your pocket. 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It's a pretty stunning stunning statement from the former national security adviser of the United States in part because it matches what the president's former top Russia adviser Fiona Hill said under oath when and she said the president had a quid pro quo on Ukraine. Here she is when we come soon. Bipartisan rancor we cannot come by combat combust these external forces as they seek to dividers against each other to grow our institutions and destroy. The American people in our Democracy Hill said that on Camera Bolton though of course is still hiding behind twitter and still technically doing the president's bidding because he's refusing to testify in the impeachment investigation Asian and to be very clear on two big points. Here one boldness a lot to say about what trump did and what trump knew and when he knew it bolden was in the No. And you don't need to take it from me. Dr Hill said Ambassador Bolton referred to this lizzy this is a drug deal. Vestige of Bolton told told me that I am not past of this whatever drug deal that Mulvaney in Sunland a cooking up I heard Bashur bulletin expressed to ambassador Taylor and National Security Council Senior Director. Tim Morrison his frustration about Mr Giuliani's influence with the president. Making clear there was nothing you can do about it. Did you tell L. Embassador Bolton about this conversation well. I reached out to him as well and requested visibility for secure phone call and what was his response when you explain to him. What ambassador Sunland German had said? Tell the IRS so bolden knows a lot. Okay and he's out there tweeting about things and teasing the American public lick instead of actually talking and telling everything he knows. We remember the other day when he tweeted quote stay tuned. The reality of the situation at this point. Is that if John Bolton wants to actually do the right thing and protect American national security instead of getting on twitter high horse. He should testify. That's the right answer for him. He doesn't work for trump anymore. And that's the other big thing he could stand up and stand up and speak and defy. The president is nearly a dozen others have chosen to do and testify publicly upfront now Democratic Senator Maisy Corona Hav Hawaii a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. And I appreciate your time today. Senator thank you so very much. What is your reaction to John? Bolton weighing in on twitter twitter talking about national security at risk and under attack from within and tweeting stay tuned but so far refusing to testify by. This is serious business and twitter doesn't do it so as you say he should step forward as the other courageous testify have stepped forward to tell the American public and Congress. The truth of what the president did. Do you believe he will eventually testify. And will that happen in front of you in the Senate. It doesn't look like it's going to happen in the house. Obviously one can only hope that these people will finally figure out that maybe they should really think about America national security and not loyalty to allying president. Who only cares about himself now? It's not just John Bolton. Obviously who's you know obeying the president obviously doesn't even work for him anymore so he really can just step up at any time but he's not the only one right there's Mick Mulvaney and there's the secretary of State Mike Pompeo also also not speaking out and here's Mike pompeo today. When he was asked about testifying he played Coy? Sort of made a joke of it here is when at the time is right all good things happen. I don't know if you could see senator there little smile and you know as as the the audience there were reporters. Were Chuckling back at him. What do you think he means by that? Who knows? And at this point He's very a deeply involved and all of these whatever call they should not against that The president put everybody up to So he's not coming clean and so what else is is new with Pompeo so Republicans are now sees you know everybody. Sorry now as I said the people who come close to the the president they enter what I call the more zone It apparently it takes a lot for them too because that does own and come clean and tell the truth so so. Republicans Republicans are seizing on comments made by Democratic Congresswoman. Brenda Lawrence you know she. She has said Censoring trump in the Senate instead of trying to remove him from office is the right thing to do because she doesn't think that the Senate will vote to do that because obviously you've got majority Republicans. Here's she explained her thinking on this show. Just a few moments ago Senator Senator Privately the Republicans are saying yes. It's not right. He's done something wrong but I'm is it's just not impeachable. We have to put a marker down so I'm going to do my job in the house and when it gets to the Senate I was putting out there that this is away for history to reflect that this president and any president from now on this is unacceptable. The vote to censure. The president is the way to go in the Senate that Republicans would get on board with that when they will not vote to remove him from office. I don't know what the Republicans will get on board with. And that's why it's very important for this impeachment process in the House to continue and you you know we. We shall see but the expectation is that the judiciary committee will also engage in a process and they will either come up with articles of of impeachment or not by suspect that they will come up with articles of impeachment. That is what we're supposed to do. That is our job under the constitution and it is not for us has to say. Oh well the Senate's never gonNA convict so we shouldn't do it so I obviously have a different viewpoint as to What should happen? I think we should proceed with what. What is the appropriate thing to do? And therefore have your have your trial on on removal or not. You know I wanNA play articles of impeachment. Come to us. Yes yes okay. So some of your colleagues. I've spoken to recently a couple of them democratic colleagues in the Senate and they have been pretty down on their private versus public conversations with Republican. Senators are two of your colleagues. What they say privately is very different from what they're doing publicly in saying publicly publicly? I have a number of friends in the Republican caucus in the Senate and when I tried to bring up the subject of the testimony of this week the striking developments the house All of them have either changed the subject or simply said they'd really rather not talk about senator does that reflect your conversations with Republicans your colleagues right now as well we certainly reflects so what the Republicans are doing. And frankly what does it matter under what they're seeing in private if It doesn't comport with what they're saying WH- what they're saying in public and so there's a huge chasm between what they I really think and what they're saying public so this is why until a Republican senators. Pay attention to what the president did which was to shake down the president of another country for his own political purposes using taxpayer money as leverage. They don't want to face that and so they just engaged in all kinds of What about this or what about that? Well what we should be. Focusing is on the president's actions and they're not able to do that all right. Senator Ron I appreciate your time. Thank you very much. Thank you. Aloha next Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. They have set their sights on a new target. Michael Bloomberg plans to bypass human dis. All we have to do is take out his checkbook bypass human beings Bloomberg's advisor response. Plus president trump claimed victory in Syria so front traveled to the region and found. The situation on the ground tells a much different story clerks award. We'll be out front. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash. CNN newham like everybody in Palm Beach No we have state. No one knows how he made the happening. He was threatening my short and pulling my body on already naked body after the night. For Sixteen Years I've reported on Jeffrey Epstein the man the multi-millionaire the Monster Johnston now go behind the story with me Vicky Hurst of CNN's new podcast. The Jeffrey Epstein I knew subscribe now wherever view. Get Your podcasts tonight. Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg making his pitch for the White House he filed for the Democratic primary in Arizona and defended his decision to skip the early caucus and primary states Arizona. Zona as you know is a crucial battleground state. But you don't often see presidential candidates around here and the fact is president. Trump is about the only ones spending any money here and in some of the other swing states around the country. And that's a big problem for party and I am determined to change exactly got out front now. Tim O'Brien he's the strategic advisor for Mike Bloomberg's twenty twenty campaign and looked him Bloomberg has a point Arizona though doesn't hold its primary Maranto March seventeenth right. That's post Super Tuesday. It's post the Tuesday after Super Tuesday and obviously post those those those first four crucial states. So you're doing something with no. Oh precedent of six in American history. Why do you think it can work? Well a very small percentage of the delegates at stake in these first four states. Mike's not only going to be in in Arizona. We're going to have a national campaign. We're campaigning right now. Already like it's a general election so Arizona's just an example of where he is right now but we're going to be in every swing state out of the gates. Starting next week we will have a presence in every one of those swing states. Donald Trump already has a campaign there no other Democrats have a robust campaign in in place in those states to take trump's backyard and we plan to because obviously they're focused on those early states. which right right right? No I understand your point. I think we can all agree. The system has some serious issues in it with at this point. But obviously what you're doing is at the least unexpected right so you wrote a book about Donald Trump. I did when he was in business. And you you you know the guy. How much of your work is going to be focused on advising Mayor Bloomberg who also obviously knows Donald Trump and the campaign about getting in chumps? Had Well Mike Bloomberg and I are also both New Yorker so New Yorkers as you watched Donald Trump's act for a very long time I think Mike Bloomberg recognizes that trump has been a longtime drifter and con man and I think trump knows that about himself and one of the things that trump puts out in the world is that he's a very successful businessman went in many ways. He hasn't been that. He is unbelievably wealthy when in many ways. He's not that he delivers success. After success ever success and Lo and behold the person who's actually done all those things is Michael Bloomberg You know this idea that he's a billion that's the first thing that keeps coming out and discussions about him but Mike Bloomberg is also a wildly successful three term mayor of New York. He is one of the most generous philanthropists in US history and before all of that. He was a parking a lot of ten who put himself through college. All of those things make bought Mike Bloomberg someone who is competent and principal than Donald Trump is not so so you bring up the billionaire billionaire point and and and and you're right to provide all that context okay but but that billionaire actually is coming from Democrats that now Mike Bloomberg is running his own party. They're the ones who are slamming him and using billionaire like it's a four letter swear word. Here's Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders Michael Bloomberg plans to bypass human obese. He thinks that he can be the Democratic nominee from precedent by having a lot of money not by actually getting out and meeting people after going to Iowa does not go to Nevada and it's not going to South Carolina. All he has to do is take out his checkbook and write loyd hundreds of millions of dollars in ads all over this country okay. What he said was was was pretty damning? What she said was was was pretty personally? Nasty might mayor Michael Bloomberg plans to bypass human beings so neither one of those things happens to be true. If Mike Bloomberg was interested in bypassing passing human beings he wouldn't have spent ten billion of his own dollars supporting public health initiatives breaking trying to break the back of the NRA of funding ending educational initiatives that are transformed lives. The last thing Michael Bloomberg has ever done in all of his years of being a public servant and a philanthropist is bypassed ask people in both Senator Warren and Senator Sanders know that Mike Bloomberg is a capable successful and strategic politician. Who's going to bring this battle? Donald Trump's doorstep spent all right. Stay tuned thank you very much. I appreciate your time and next. President Trump has praised decision to pull troops out of northern Syria. So is it as successful as is he says. Well we're going to take you to Syria after this and then genie most on a much lighter note political candidates dancing around the issues can't get enough of the NBA sign up for NBA League pass to gain access to every game being played across the association every night with all new ways as the watch through the NBA APP visit Mba dot com or the NBA APP to get started today dying people who are really dying. Don't keep bringing it up is true. I don't know I'm just usually around people that die faster raking morning Sundays at eleven. Thirty only on adult swim Tonight president trump is heralded his decision to pull American troops out of northern Syria. But the Kurds that call that region home. See it very differently. Our clarice award is on the ground in Syria in a story you will see only here. Class should be in session now but here in Hacienda. The school has become a temporary shelter for displaced people in one classroom classroom. We meet Ebrahim. Hasn't the Kurdish father of five tells us he was forced to flee his home in wrestle with his children. When the Turkish military military operation began? This is what remains of his house. Ebrahim says it is one of many in his Kurdish neighborhood. That was deliberately deliberately ransacked by Turkish. Back Forces. MOGAM kitschy took everything and after they took all our belongings they set it on fire. Burned it all just days. Before the offensive began Ebrahim's children had posed smiling with US troops patrolling the area area. He says America's presence gave him a false sense of security then suddenly they work on the month of EMOL since America betrayed US every time. Look at these photos of my children. The American as I want to raise them. Do you feel that you trust the American still. Have both o'cl amrican definitely not nobody now. We hear we see on television. America's saying that they're only here for the oil novel the parameters so. Why did trump do this? You've portrayed all people it's a sentiment we found shared by many here. Nearly two two hundred thousand people have been displaced by Turkey's offensive. Hundreds of their homes have been damaged or looted local authorities are now trying to move. Moved them out of the schools so that class can start again and into hastily built camps like this one conditions are bleak and resources assist are scarce because of the security situation international aid agencies had to pull out leaving the Kurds with no one to rely on themselves It'd be a fresh newly difficult here because it's very cold especially at night. They don't have enough food. They don't have electricity and the water's not coming camp organizers. Say there are three thousand people living here now with more arriving every day. Almost everyone in this camp is from the town of Russ Align Bassel. I used to be around seventy five percent Kurdish now though. We're told there are just a handful of Kurds left and the people here believe that the alternate goal of this Turkish offensive is to essentially push the Kurds out of this area completely and changed the ethnic makeup of it forever. Turkey has done little to alleviate their fears as the Kurds have poured out of these areas. Arabs have been bussed in Syrian Rian refugees who Turkish authorities claim originally from these areas after more than eight years of civil war. This part of Syria is full of stories of people forcibly displaced in the Christian village of nonsense we find more families from Selena sheltering in the ruins of a destroyed church but young. You try to go home. I asked these women had them play. Ah Reply Matthew Babe Ruth Isis cleansed this area of Christians when it was in control they have yet to return now. The village provides refuge for another people forced from their homes. No sense of a possible possible return and clarice joins me now. She's in northern Syria. So Clarisa from from what you have learned. Do the Kurds want American troops to come back. I mean I think Aaron certainly the Kurds recognized that they need. US troops here on the ground for some some measure of protection but when it comes to the announcement that the US is now doing these patrols again doing these anti isis operations again with Kurdish forces. Sources there's also a sense that it's a little bit a day late and a dollar short and more broadly as I think you heard in the story from that Man Ibrahim who we talk. Talk to there's this sense that they don't feel really that they can any longer rely on the US in the long-term Erin and so you know. Of course obviously you're in northern in Syria and dealing with all the risks that entails. What is the security situation like on the ground where you are? I think that's part of the irony. Irony of this situation Erin is that the stated goal of Turkey's military offensive was to create this so-called buffer zone or a safe zone a twenty mile the deep area. Along the border. When you're here it doesn't feel like this is indeed a safe zone? There are regular Infractions of the ceasefire ceasefire but also regular car bombings. Just this afternoon a car bombing in the town of Russell Lane where most of the people we interviewed for. Our story came from at least seventeen. Seventeen people killed in that attack. Erin all right clarice. Thank you very much and front next on a much lighter. Note Jeanie Moss on a a different kind of political everyone. It's poppy harlow were out with a new boss fouls episode. This one is a special crossover with my dear friend. Rebecca Jarvis you know her as ABC News chief business correspondent and the host of her Nolan. 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Dem primary, Medicaid, COVID-19, more GOP shenanigans.  Ruth Johnson on Detroit housing

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Dem primary, Medicaid, COVID-19, more GOP shenanigans. Ruth Johnson on Detroit housing

"The presenting underwriter of the Michigan podcast progress Michigan providing a strong credible voice that holds public officials and governments accountable and assists in the promotion of progressive ideas. But as we go in Sioux Michigan's election on Tuesday I am going to be voting for Joe Biden. The national spotlight moves to Michigan. The big prize in second straight week of high stakes primaries and Joe Biden picks up a half dozen big-name Michigan endorsements as Joe Momentum grows. This is the Michigan podcast. We're all about Michigan Policy and politics and the national issues impacting our pleasant peninsula. I'm also org and I am Christine. Berry joining lots org while the presidential primary dominates this week's podcast there are other stories of note including a landmark ruling blocking Republican attacks on the poor. A me too moment for state Senator Peter Lucido and more on Michigan Getting Ready for the corona virus and this week's work in progress segment focuses on a lack of affordable livable housing estates largest city. But of course we begin with the presidential primary and what a Week. It has been presidential. Candidates have been dropping faster than art van stores in the last few days a week ago we had six viable candidates for the Democratic nomination. Plus Tulsi Gabbard then came Super Tuesday in the six became too with three of the dropouts endorsing Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren. Holding back any endorsement that triggered a wave of endorsements in Michigan in a matter of hours. Almost Joe Biden had the support of former governors. Jim Blanchard et Jennifer Granholm congressman lists slatkin Hayley Stevens and Brenda Lawrence and former Senator Carl Levin. But perhaps the most significant was. The support of Governor Gretchen. Whitmer Chow knows Michigan. He was there when our back was up against the wall. To support the auto industry he worked with President Obama to expand You know the access to healthcare and almost seven hundred thousand people in my state have healthcare now because of that work. And that's why I feel like this is the right time to weigh in and to tell the people of my state. I'm with Joe because I believe Joe's will Michigan okay. Crecy two weeks ago. Whitmer was saying she wouldn't endorse in the primary now. Of course she has. She made her announcement on. Msnbc on the morning. Joe Show what do you make of her turnaround? Well two weeks ago. She didn't have to endorse you. Know prior to Super Tuesday. There was no reason for it. It wouldn't have made any difference to anyone outside of the state maybe a little bit of fundraising head. She endorsed like Elizabeth Warren. But there's no reason to endorse and now that the race is here. She has a stake in the outcome. She has to come forward just like everybody else. It would have been very notable if she hadn't you know I do want to say I do think that she is ideologically. Closer to Joe Biden Than Bernie Sanders but one of the things she mentions. That JOE is here for the auto industry which is true but philosophically so was Bernie Sanders. Sanders just wasn't willing to spend any money to bail out the Wall Street. Banks which was part of that whole thing and most economists have agreed that that would have caused a depression scale collapse. And that's just one example of how very different Biden and Bernie Sanders are and that's part of the reason why I think she was willing to jump in and support Biden because she feels that his approach is going to be her is going to be similar to her way her approach to how she governs Michigan Issue to talk to you about the campaign and how she thought Joe Biden needed to go about campaigning to win Michigan which is absolutely critical for winning the presidency. Staying focused on the dinner table issues whether it is closing the skills gap or insuring. Our kids are getting the education they need cleaning up drinking water or just fixing the damn roads. These are the fundamental sand. I shall record of having gotten accomplished. You know important things during my time as legislator and I think that's what Joe is doing and that's why I think the blueprint he's using and twenty twenty is very similar to what I didn't twenty eighteen. I know he's committed to finding common ground and building coalitions and I think now more than ever. We need leaders. Who can do that? You know it's almost a proxy rematch of the to`real primary of twenty eighteen. Where you had whitmer running against Abdul El-Sayed who is a Bernie backer and part of the Progressive Wing of the Party shouldn't up winning with about what fifty fifty five percent of the votes L. Abdul El-Sayed got about thirty percent and seems to me that kind of reflects what we're likely to see Tuesday but if I make a prediction is probably means Bernie? Sanders will win. Because I've been wrong and everything else the last few weeks I'm the one at. I admitted that I thought it was going to be a Michael Bloomberg. Amy Klobuchar ticket That ain't gonNA happen although cloture. I think it's someone play for the furniture nomination and for Bernie Sanders. Michigan is the whole ball of wax. If he can't win the primary here I think he is toast. He'll keep going but I think his campaign is over. I think when she talked about things like finding common ground and coalitions that is where Bernie has perhaps turned himself with his branding. And it's not because his agenda isn't helpful to people or focusing on things that matter to people Which Governor Whitman also mentioned? But it's because his brand is so US versus them that he so easily loses that argument on building coalitions and finding common ground and there a you know a narrative out on Bernie nationally that he doesn't get anything done in the Senate that's not true. There's a narrative that he can't compromise. That really isn't true but his brand kind of supports that and so in a place like Michigan where we're in gridlock. Over the roads and and other things them may work against him. But another thing you know you mentioned Abdul El-Sayed he was on CNN. I Super Tuesday night. He had said something about why people supported Bernie and his very eloquent and at the end of it he said. We're just not interested in being lectured to that was probably the first time I actually understood where all of this anger was coming from from these burning bras that people talk about so even though I do believe that Bernie. Sanders hurts himself with his branding and so on it does speak to that very real anger. That people are feeling whatever happens in this primary in Michigan. Were still going to have a huge huge gap really a conflict between these two groups of people who you know we want progress and we want revolution or however you WanNa put that that we have to heal and the leader is going to have to work on that and try to heal it well. It's also a contrast in styles. You Have Bernie. Sanders is very pugnacious. He's constantly railing against the greed of the insurance industry and the billionaires and the oil companies and Joe Biden while still progressive on the issues. He doesn't go as far as Bernie Sanders certainly but also. His style is much more soothing. He's more from the Barack Obama wing of the party. Which reminds us of about every ten seconds but he exudes an aura of bringing people together. Whether that's going to happen or not I doubt it. Especially if Mitch. Mcconnell remains the majority leader of the Senate will still have the same source of fights in Washington but Biden at least gives you a sense that there's a possibility of reconciliation and of bringing the country together whereas with Bernie Sanders versus Donald Trump. That is pugnacious against pugnacious. And it would be probably the nastiest campaign in our lifetime. I don't even want to be awful. And the other part of it is of course. We're not going to know the results probably until Thursday. Because the absentee voter list is just immense. A majority of Michiganders will have voted by absentee ballot. I did some checking with some local clerks in the numbers. They're running to sixty five. Seventy seventy five percent absentee ballots and because the legislature refused to change state law the Republicans. That screw you. He can't open the ballots. Eight o'clock on Tuesday night which means that's when they begin to process the eighties. We're not going to know until sometime Wednesday or Thursday. How all of that came about. Because they've got open the envelopes. They gotta throw him through the machines and that just takes time and with three quarters of your votes. You can't even start counting him until eight thirty at night. Nine o'clock at night. That's going be a long process. Well and I think people respond by saying well. That's how we normally do it anyway. That's really not entirely true. But the absentee ballot just takes longer to count. It's just because of the way the law's set up. They can't prepare the ballots for counting even until the polls close. Where is in some states? They can begin opening the ballots that morning or they can even open them ahead of time so that they know They've started the process and it's not all dumped on him at once. Couple of other things about the voting process because of the rapid rate of decline in the number of candidates and Michigan Law. Allow you to retrieve your absentee ballot until election day. So you can revote. The number of people who are spoiling. Their ballots is just going through the roof. Detroit News reported last week. Eight thousand plus ballots had been spoiled. Already I check with some local clerks on this as well and they were saying. They're getting record numbers of spoiled ballots. One friend of mine. Who's a former legislator he founded think-tank in Lansing? There's a really knowledgeable voter. He has spoiled his ballot three times because he his candidates kept dropping out. He's GonNa vote a fourth time now and that's he was laughing at himself. He says I must be the kiss of death. I think he just makes predictions as well as you do out. That's all he just had enough sense to hold onto your absentee ballot until equity. Wait and see you know and and I just will acknowledge here. That Tulsi Gabbard is still in the race. As far as I know but obviously yeah so am I no clear path to nomination. You know she. I saw her on social media. She's probably another media but shared a strong second-place finisher to American Samoa. And it's like that doesn't even matter anyway Yes she wanted to to debate and and she's been excluded from the debates and so she was out there arguing for that part of me says philosophically. If you're a candidate and you can qualify. You know without the goalpost being moved and all that then you should be able to and the other part of me is like just stowaway. There's no clear path to the nomination and you don't have any ideas we're talking about before we leave the Michigan part of this discussion. What are talking about. Some endorsements that I think are actually more significant than the one that came from the governor and the Lieutenant Governor and those are the endorsements of Hayley Stevens and Elissa slogging to members of Congress new members of Congress who flipped Republican districts. And who are obviously concerned about their own re-election in districts that went for Donald Trump twenty sixteen the fact that they both went for Joe Biden. I think really speaks to why the party is coming together. Behind Joe Biden Alicia establishing. The party is coming together behind Joe Biden because I want to keep Nancy Pelosi as speaker and they see him as their best chance to do that. Yeah I think that's true. I think they know. There's more of a risk in those districts where Ellison Haley are in other districts set of flipped. There's more of a risk with Bernie at the top of the ticket because he'll drive more. Republicans to the polls but I also think that you know again. Haley analysts are both much more in line with the Joe Biden style of governing their thoughtful. They're reflective they're calm. They don't shout at people but on top of they do things and incremental ways and again it goes back to Bernie's brand or for what the way that Bernie presents himself is very fiery obviously but again his brand says I'm not going to compromise period. Also his brand is not representative of the majority of the party. At least that's the way the voting has shown so far I went through the states. One by one for super every precipitous voted so far actually and with just a couple of exceptions Bernie Sanders hasn't gotten more than thirty six percent of the vote anywhere now in Vermont is home state. He got fifty one percent which is actually kind of a poor showing in your home state. Where you've been elected forever on a statewide basis. And he got in the Nevada caucuses. He got forty seven percent but other than that his high point was Colorado thirty six percent and Utah. Thirty five percent. Just every place else. He was in the low thirties or high twenties. Even In Alabama got seventeen percent Bernie Sanders has a very large base very loyal base of very energetic base. And I respect the hell out of them for building that base but his problem is right now. He hasn't expanded that base. His ceiling is almost at the same level as base. And it hasn't changed much in fact it's gone down in some states since the Two Thousand Sixteen Cycle. That's the bottom line. He does not represent the majority of the Democratic Party and the Bird Bros. Are Not going to be happy when. I say that but the numbers pretty much make that very clear. Let's be real whispering it back to Michigan. Let's be real for a minute. Why would everybody coalesce around? Joe Biden out first of all. He blew away Super Tuesday. He's clearly strong right now if he's the likely candidate and we're all getting behind him. We want something from him when he gets there. And like you said we want Nancy Pelosi in charge. When he gets there. Michigan needs help. We need a lot of help for our water. Cleanup we need help for our infrastructure. You know we want to be on the side of the person who wins. And if we think Joe Biden's going to be that guy we've worked with him before we wanna work with him again now Bernie as president surely win turned his back on us but he's got bigger goals you know. He's a bigger fight. Any also with Biden is the or the potential nominee. It made a big change in the fight for the Senate to raw manual. Pointed this out on one of the Sunday shows in Rams one of the great political minds in this country. He pointed out that Steve Bullock running for the Senate Montana is the only chance that Democrats have to win that heavily. Republican seat and the only reason he's running because he thinks Joe Biden is going to be the nominee was Bernie Sanders. Bullock was going to take a pass. Bullock won the governorship there despite a trump landslide in in the last cycle and he is the most popular Democrat by far in Montana given the tightness of the race for control. The United States Senate. That could be the whole enchilada right there. That's interesting you know. I didn't know that I do have one more point. Though on Michigan and Biden Sanders. It's kind of an obvious. One Biden wants to expand the affordable. Care Act. Sanders wants to scrap it. Replace it with a better version of Medicare for all and that leaves no room for private insurance. I did a little digging in no matter what you think about private. Insurers this is an increasingly important economic contributor to the Michigan the block of insurers and public sector consultants did a study last year and has the industry making direct and indirect contributions of forty billion in two thousand eighteen. The insurance industry's economic footprint. In Michigan is over two percent larger than it is the national average and that's not a health insurance and is not all insurance agents or insurance wraps and it includes direct and indirect contributions but these people are looked at like a block and I think that could be a real factor. If if you're talking about Bernie who wants to do away with private insurance and you look at insurance as a block. That could really make a difference in Michigan and add to it the UAW members that over the years negotiated tremendous healthcare coverage from the automakers. Are they willing to risk giving up? What they've negotiated for for a still unfunded federal program and that is something Amy Klobuchar pointed out a lot during the campaign pete. Buttigieg mentioned a lot during the campaign. But I think that is something that's probably going to hurt Bernie Sanders in his efforts to reach out to blue collar workers. We should point out. There are other primaries on Tuesday there in Idaho Mississippi Missouri Washington or North Dakota but Michigan is by far the largest delegate hall and Michigan Really Critical to the campaign next week. There's for big ones as well which could in theory at least revive the sanders campaign. If he comes out of Michigan with a victory those are in Arizona Florida Illinois and Ohio. Probably of those states. Though I'm not sure which one of those you could even be strong for Bernie Sanders. Given the demographics of those states Florida's a very old state a lot of retirees and he does very poorly amongst older voters Ohio possibility. But again you've got a heavy union contingent there with the healthcare issue. Arizona a lot of retirees as well Illinois Obama's home state. So it's a it's a rough go right now for Bernie Sanders. I'm wondering if at this point if it's not going to be all over by the next week. The only thing that I would add. Is that why you were speaking? I was sitting here. Nodding thoughtfully and agreement. Nobody could figure that. Good Radio in other news governor Whitman Attorney General Nestle when a key battle in the courts over the last week stopping a Republican effort to take away Medicaid coverage from thousands of Michiganders Christine. You've been following this issue from start to finish yes. This is another one of those eggs from lame duck. The Republicans put in some work requirements. If you are poor and on Medicaid and you're relatively healthy you have to prove that you're working eighty hours a week or you're trying to get work. Are you going to school? And there's a reason you're not they just put in some requirements for you to keep getting Medicaid and if you fail to meet these requirements you failed to report on these requirements. Your Medicaid gets taken away. This is pretty simple. Issue for the courts the Medicaid Act is meant to provide health coverage to the poor. That's it. It's not there to put poor people to work. It's not there to make poor people report for the government a reason for deserving it it's there to provide health coverage the department of Health and Human Services has started implementing this this leftover lame duck. Bill it they've spent thirty million dollars already But the work requirement had been challenged in the courts not just Michigan but in other states as well and in other states ahead bent over rule struck down and it was just struck down in Michigan. Which is a good thing but there will be appeals and while there are appeals ongoing We will probably still be implementing it and you know continuing to take these reporting requirements. This is good that it was struck down but this is a significant example of how Democrats and Republicans look at things. Because I a I think Democrats look at this and we said look the Medicaid Act is here to give poor people healthcare and that's IT and Republicans look at it like if you WANNA benefit you have to get out there and get it and the problem is right now. We have a potential pandemic. We have a potential outbreak coming. And they aren't even talking about suspending those work requirements for that. They don't care about that. You know they only care about making people either work or go out and try to work or go to school or something because they think they're empowering them fortunately it was struck down. It was a good ruining. It'll probably get appealed until it gets to the Supreme Court where who knows what would happen. Will the timing of this is really a pretty amazing too because healthcare's rather important when you have a pandemic disease going around the country and right now. We're getting ready wait. Fortunately we haven't had any cases yet of current virus in Michigan. But it's just a matter time you know what's going to happen here. It's happening every place else. I don't know why we would be exempt especially when we got one of the busiest airports in the country at Detroit Metro airport which is sort of incubator for international diseases and that's having all sorts of impacts especially at places like the major universities which have large international student bodies there's a great story in the Lansing State Journal the last few days about Asian students at Michigan State. Basically saying they're getting all sorts of crap because just because they're Asian and people are afraid to touch them or be near them or have them breathe on them One is quoted as saying if you look Asian you're seen as carrying the virus and I'm not quite sure we can do about other educate people. I mentioned on the Pod last week of a friend who owns a Chinese restaurant and it's hurting his business because people don't want to eat Chinese food apparently they think AAC Fuyang carries the the virus or something along those maybe from the fortune cookies. But there's a lot of irrationality right now going along with all of this for a disease which for most people is not especially serious other than the economic impact that has because they can't go to work and it does impact or economic infrastructure but from a medical standpoint. It's only serious for people like me who are old or who are who have a preexisting conditions. I'm sure it's not just MSU where that's happening it's probably happening on campuses all across the country. I'm disappointed though because campuses like Msu you have A university like that is such a mix of you know I mean there's just such wonderful diversity there and I am surprised that people would have this kind of concern about Asian students. Many of whom have been here for a long time now. Admittedly there are people who travel you know. There are international students who may be have gone home over Christmas. Break or something and come back. I understand being concerned about that. But the incubation period isn't that long so I'm kind of disappointed that people would feel that way. I had heard about the restaurants and I wasn't surprised about that but I guess I expect more from universities where people are used to living with so many different people from all over the country. A problem right now at Michigan State because one. They have more than two thousand. Chinese students in their student. Body into spring break is just ending and sooner coming back after being gone. So I think it's probably GONNA ask a little bit little bit on the campus. And if you are Asian or a look Asian and you sneeze God help you well. If if you've got home doesn't come back doesn't it doesn't matter it doesn't matter when somebody sees you sneeze there good. Unfortunately they're going to think the worst right away. I totally get that. But I mean I'm just saying if you've gone home and you come back and sneeze me. I'd probably going to be a little concerned. I mean that seems reasonable to me. But if you've got home to say Indiana where you're from and you come back in you know it's just. It's just emotional. If you've been Indian on spring break you got all sorts of different problems as well. We can't leave the segment. Though without a salute to our chief medical officer in the United States the president of the United States the man with a natural instinct for all of these things because his uncle father's stepson or something or other was a scientist or something like that but trump just once again makes a total fool of himself. I really get it. Surprised everyone of these actions that heaviness so much maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running to well actually. I wish you would've done this instead of running for president but this other issue completely well He. He just came out and said he didn't ever hear of anybody dying from the flow and his grandfather died from the flu related illnesses. So he's all over the place no cure for stupid okay. So on the hammer dropped on the Michigan Senate. Most openly chauvinistic pig members. Senator Peterloo Saito has been stripped of the chairmanship of a committee. That functions as Governor Whitman. Biggest your tent in the Senate As you remember was investigated by the Senate Business Office for things that he said to Alison Donahue as well as some bad touch moments with other women. The investigation found that due to the number and similarity of the incidents. They were more likely than not to have occurred. And these things were inappropriate. So that's the good news. They found the women credible and believe that these things happened. So Senate majority leader. Mike Shirke issued a lengthy statement on the importance of a safe work environment. He stripped Lucido of his chairmanship of the advice and consent committee. The CDOE get some free training on how to be a human. I guess but he does get keep his chair his seeds chair on the judiciary and he's on another committee which I actually am not sure what that is and then the CTO came out and said that he had been cleared. And let's move on from the issued. The Miller report to no collusion. No -struction when of course there was collusion in there was obstruction. It's the new operating standard. Your cleared no matter what the report says propsed Alison Donahue. It takes a lot of guts to come forward when you are. What is she twenty two years old or something like that and do come out against a powerful member of the Michigan Legislature. And basically say hey the guy did wrong and I just don't like it. She ultimately won and it. I've been listening to a Ronin froze. Podcast a catch and kill podcast talking about the Harvey Weinstein case and the subsequent developments about that. And it's the same sort of thing without courageous women coming forward to say something. This crap just keeps happening today and like you said. We're recording on Sunday. It's International Women's Day. Hyper aware of this because we did a thing about it at work but I just wanted to tell you you know guys like you get it guys like running Baragan. There are a lot of men who get it but there are also a lot of people including women who don't understand why Alison was such a bad ass for coming forward because it is risky. It is scary to come out. Look at this guy just said something. That's really inappropriate. And she would have no idea whether when she said that people would agree that it was inappropriate and not say well. You're just being insecure. Well it was just a joke with. I'll just sit down walker room talk. Yeah that was a bad ass moment for her good for her. Good for the other senators. Who was senator mcmurray? Who is the other one who came out anyway? Osborne from Michigan Credit Union League a lobbyist. Thank you not a senator. Yes thank you good for them. For standing up a couple of quick shakes I in the ongoing battle over the enbridge pipeline. The fossil fuel giant is speaking softly but carrying a big big checkbook. It has been reported by Bridge magazine. That end bridges quietly buying up land in the neighborhood of the Straits of mackinac very new pipeline according to local property records and inbreeds subsidiary. His scooped up sixteen residential parcels since November of two thousand eighteen in a township west of the mackinac bridge apparently betting that the tunnel plan will survive legal challenges and for the landowners and for the township. It is an absolute bonanza because they're paying many multiples of the value. The assessed value of this land. A pair of parcels and Wadham township sold for more than a million dollars according to township records local record show their market value at roughly two hundred eighty thousand dollars and bridge apparently believes that they've got their case one and are making a putting up pretty big bet in terms of of course they could always just sort of a really nice resort if they lose the court battles. I suppose I don't even know what to say to that. You Know I. I understand wanting the tunnel. If you could put the tunnel in tomorrow and be done with it I would even understand doing that. But having those lines there for that long with no alternative and no you know but their record of safety just there should be no support for this tunnel. It's ridiculous okay. Another issue that the legislature is dealing with. Which has absolutely no meaning other than symbolism and that is a bill that is being pushed by gun advocates which basically says. You can't even buy the guns back right. This is house bill. Five four seven nine at sponsored by state rep a net Glenn. She's from Midland The bill would make it illegal for any local units of government to use tax dollars to purchase firearms from individuals and organizations. So you city please. County County Sheriff's Department or your board of Commissioners or none of these people could purchase guns. They can only purchased firearms for law enforcement purposes and they must be acquired from a licensed dealer. So what this is doing is just sort of trying to stop a gun buyback program which is kind of silly and it's you know it's kind of harmful as well. I mean there are a lot of people just in my county alone who have inherited firearms over the years. You maybe don't want them and don't know what to do with them and wouldn't be able to go and sell them back through a program like this which you know. It works if accounting wants to do what they should do it by the way. This bill does nothing to stop a local efforts to create sanctuary counties guns so it's obviously not about a local issue local control of anything and. I'm pretty sure the government would veto at anyway if it got to her desk so it is basically symbolic as I see it but for me. The more important issue is it's a continuation of a trend of the legislature to take away the power of local governments and local electorates to control their own communities. They keep passing more and more preemption laws that say basically a local community can't do this can't do that. And it goes totally counter to the longstanding Republican philosophy of more local control unless state control all of a sudden. The idea of big state government appeals to them at least when it comes to making decisions on policy has been true for many years now they really have gone for big state or Bake Federal Control of everything and taking oil local control as as long as they had control of state and federal government. This week's work in progress report focuses on a growing housing crisis in Detroit. Issue is the availability of affordable housing for the city's most vulnerable residents low income families and persons with disabilities while talked with Ruth Johnson of the Detroit People's platform one of the activists who formed the Housing Trust Fund coalition. That's the HDFC. They're a group of advocates nonprofit organizations. Ruth Johnson at the core of any city is housing. You've gotTA HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. You've got to have quality housing or cities going to die in. Detroit and many other of our urban areas through Michigan. It's a real crisis. What is the housing trust? Fund coalition all about the Housing Trust Fund coalition was formed by Advocates Detroit residents in nonprofit organization to fight for an advocate for not just affordable housing but affordable for Detroit Reuters housing that is accessible saved in decent. How shortage the supply of housing fits that definition Ho? That's another story but a briefly I'd like to say we're talking about affordable and accessible housing. It is part of a larger conversation that includes about our tax for closures. The water shot off other things that has affected the housing stock. Detroit has always been known as the city of houses but now we're more than fifty percent renters. In some of the rental houses really is not decent safe or affordable and that is a problem even with the Landlord Registration Ordinance Enforcing so have a lot of people in Detroit either not suitable housing or paying too much for or it's not up to code. Dushi the solution to this problem is being primarily a local issue. Something that is a responsibility for city councils. For example not at all this is a federal stay regional as well as a city issue their problems and solutions on every level. One of the things that the Detroit affordable housing Task Force and Housing Trust Fund coalition though is focused on the city of Detroit because unlike other communities in the region the average median income for Detroit is much slower than surrounding area that Hud the housing and urban development of Federal Agency. The State of Michigan any of the city Detroit uses like sixty eight thousand dollars as the am I the annual meeting income whereas in Detroit household the income levels more like twenty three to twenty four thousand dollars. So there's a big difference between Detroit in other areas. How the trust work? So I'm very glad to say This was a big win for housing advocates in Detroit residents through the Housing Trust Fund coalition. We fought in one to get an inclusionary housing. Ordinance there several parts toward burst. It creates a affordable Housing Trust Fund so twenty percent of commercial property sales. Go into the fun and last year. Because of residents in advocates an additional two million dollars was appropriated or given into the fund from the city to get started. What that means is so a lot of these developments in sales of property will get twenty percent of those but the second part. I think it's also exciting. Is that it forms by the ordinance. An affordable housing task force the last residents of the city. Detroit who can advise the city on how these funds that go into the fund will be used in his targeting extremely low to low income households. So that is thirty to fifty percent of the again. It's the region's average median income. Yeah that's still not good but it's better than what we had. Before one created the fund it created the Task Force in the third thing is that developers are receiving certain levels of city. Subsidies have to submit unaffordable housing plan with their Plant THAT WOULD LOOK. At creating affordable housing units in tip percent of those units must be accessible in addition to being the American dream to be a homeowner. I've read several articles indicating that higher levels of home ownership translate into better communities that people take better care of their property they take more pride in their neighborhoods and that it has a ripple effect impacts crime it impacts economic activity it impacts the overall quality of life. Is that something that you're seeing? Well I don't talk about the American Dream Talk about individuals and families having opportunities and options supports and services to live in communities that are healthy safe and vibrant whether that's rental or whether that's home ownership I think it's also many ways that people can live well and right now. We don't provide those opportunities for a large number of detroiters but especially our most vulnerable residents again. People with very low incomes seniors and people with disabilities for the skeptics hearing this. I think it's important for them to understand so that you told me. And that is that the Housing Trust Fund. Coalition concept has been tried in has worked in other cities. Where's it been successful Philadelphia Pittsburgh? There's at least fourteen fifteen communities that have some sort of housing trust bug or funds are put into a pool and used for low income housing. How that's used as different with different jurisdictions I think important thing the FERENCI eight mayor Doug and talks about his affordable housing fund else. It's a whole new thing because his is private donors foundations giving money it. It's not targeting. The most vulnerable the most needful residents but instead it's incentivizing more luxury and high end apartments and housing units with a very few that's truly affordable and suitable because it's a one bedroom apartment or studio apartment three or four to manage that good question. Good question what do you see is the immediate future for the proposal for the Housing Trust Fund coalition? Do you see a sense of the part of City Council to make this happen. We're very thankful for the support of the Detroit City Council in Passing The inclusionary Housing Ordinance. That was a big win but that was only because of advocates nonprofits residents fighting for we are very thankful for leadership shown by President Pro tem. Mary Sheffield and in discussions with her. She's been very helpful for us to work out. How do we implement ordinance such as identifying? How much money is into fun and making sure that this task force has the information they need so they can give good recommendations and advice to the city for people that are more information on this issue. Where can they go? They can visit the Detroit People's platform website and get more information. Ruth Johnson. Thank you so much for joining us on the PODCASTS. Have a great day. And that's it for this week's polly cash will be back in a week. Hopefully we'll still have a couple of presidential candidates in a week for background information on this week's topics head on over to our website Michigan PODCAST DOT com. Yeah and feel free to give us your thoughts questions comments. You can insult us there or on twitter. If you want the email is Emma pollock cast at g mail dot Com and thank you for listening. We will talk to you in another week.

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Will Michael Cohen's Testimony Doom Trump?

The Argument

36:29 min | 1 year ago

Will Michael Cohen's Testimony Doom Trump?

"I'm Michelle Goldberg. I'm Rostow it. I'm David Leonhardt. And this is the argument this week, President Trump's former lawyer has testified before congress does this mean, we're in a new stage of the Trump presidency. Once again, I feel like we're left with this question of does anything matter. Then is Bernie Sanders the Democratic Front runner he may not be the front runner, but he is certainly a front runner and finally a recommendation. This is an art film film. After two years Robert Muller's investigation into Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election finally seems to be winding down within weeks. The investigation could be completed and Muller could submit a report to the Justice department. But that's not the only investigation that Trump faces the new democratic majority in congress is ready to exercise its power of oversight yesterday. Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen testified in front of the house oversight committee about the two thousand sixteen campaign about Trump's business, practices and about other matters. I am here under oath to correct. The record to answer the committee's questions, truthfully. And to offer the American people what I know about President Trump, we're recording this late on Wednesday afternoon. And Ross was not able to join us. So Michelle, and I are gonna sort it all through Michelle. What do you make of everything that happened with Michael Cohen still my feeling right now? And we're kind of in-between. The morning session and the resumption later this evening. Is a sort of, you know, numb despair over the fact that this very likely won't be enough to end the unendurable nightmare of this presidency. Even though at obviously showed being you sort of a magic testimony like this from the closest confidante door one of the closest confidants of any other president, you know, not just hard evidence of committing felonies. But also the testament to his, you know, despicable character that testament to the fact that he was if not colluding with a foreign power clearly seeking financial gain from a foreign power the entire time that he was running for president and saying all of these wonderful things above ladder. Putin try to think back about like, if you could have foreseen this moment when Trump was elected, you know, if you could have said that within two plus years, Michael Cohen, your conciliatory is going to be sitting in front of. Congress calling you a racist a con man and a cheat. If you could have projected that or predicted that, you know, back when this this nightmare began, you would've kind of assumed that that was the end game, right? That when you get to that point. It means it's all wrapping up, and yet, you know, once again, I feel like we're left with this question of, you know, anything matter. Yeah. I mean, I guess so to me the optimistic take from today is we knew there wasn't going to be some smoking gun that was going to make these Republican House members say, oh, we were wrong to follow them all along. So in that way, that was the least surprising thing about today. But I guess the case for optimism is that wall people like you, and I have been following this very closely for months on end a lot of Americans haven't and this is a hearing. That's just going to dominate TV and social media. And I do think that there's a way in which a whole bunch of people who haven't been paying attention to. This are going to start to pay more attention to it. And in that way. It does feel like it is not good for Trump. None of the Republicans are defending him on the merits here. Right. They're coming up with these first fascinating about this too in that Cohen is actually up there knocking down. Yes. A lot of stories rumors about Trump, right? These kind of saying there was not this mythical elevator tape of Trump heading Malania. He believes doesn't exist. He saying that even though they paid off someone for information about a love child. He doesn't believe love child is real. He kind of said that he had never that to his knowledge. She doesn't know about Trump paying off women for quote unquote, medical procedures, which is code for abortion. He is he's never been to Prague. And so he's actually saying a lot of things that are that that are exculpatory that are right. That are sculpt, Tori. You know? Obviously, the headline or the the kind of snippet that I assume people will see that's kind of extraordinary. Opening statement that he made. Yeah. And the conservative writer Byron York had a nice summary of this on Twitter. Here's what he wrote Michael Cohen is knocking down various crazy anti-trump stories Prague, which is a reference to this meeting that apparently didn't happen involving the Trump campaign in Prague money laundering. Lovechild abortion elevator tape. Other tapes more this after Republican spent all their time attacking his credibility. And so actually, the only person who's sort of defending Trump on the substance today was Michael Cohen, which is crazy to say, the one thing that really surprised me about all of this is just that Michael Cohen is coming across really, well, you know, I think my impression of him has always just been of this dim witted thug. And you know, it's not that. I don't think that I think that he's now an honorable man, but he does seem a little bit quicker on his feet than some of these Republican congressmen not that that's necessarily saying so much. I mean, one of the Republican congressman said you called the president. Cheat. What would you call yourself and Michael Cohen said a fool there was this like weighty silence as they tried to think about what to say in response rate. I mean that was almost a sense in which he's really trying to speak to these congressmen who believe in Trump, and are sort of caught up in defending Trump the way he was once caught up in defending Trump. Right. And he really seemed to be trying to almost like break through to them. I agree. He came off. Well, I think he made only two mistakes there were a few times where he let his temper get the better of him any any yelled at replace Republican questioners while you understand why he'd be doing that. I don't think it helps him and the second. I don't know what you thought about this. But his explanation that the reason that he flipped on Trump is because he decided that Trump had had become evil after what Trump said about Charlottesville, or what Trump did with Putin in Helsinki. I just don't think that's credible. I think it's pretty clear. He flipped because he was facing prison time. Right. I seem you agree with that. Yes. No. Of course, obviously he turned on Trump. I think you know, both. Out of self preservation. And then also probably out of a sense of betrayal. When Trump didn't come to his rescue, and and turned on him and threw him under the bus, and you know, kind of pretended that he had never known him or that their relationship hadn't been as intimate as Michael Cohen imagined it to be, but you know, and the other thing I would say that it was hard to believe was his line about kind of that. He never wanted a job in the in the White House for that's interesting. I I mean, I could see how someone wouldn't why why did you not find that? 'cause I don't know. I just because all the reporting I've seen his, you know, suggested that he your thought that he was gonna be White House chief of staff or a magic that he was going to Washington. I mean, I just feel like I trust the reporting that I've seen over over Michael Coen's word the structure of the thing is so frustrating rate, the like five minute five minute back and forth. 'cause I mean there were so many threads that I want people to pick up on. And I also just wanted someone to say in response to the Republicans who keep saying you how can we trust? You. You have. Done all these terrible corrupt things to say. Well, what does it say about the president that this was his personal lawyer? And I keep wanting somebody to put an end this kind of self righteous posturing of like, we could be doing the people's business. And instead, we're here listening to a criminal, you know, from the same people that like literally called diamond and silk to a hearing about whether or not conservative voices, get adequate play on social media. My big takeaway, if we're gonna look forward now is the Democrats need to do a lot more of this. Which is they really need to use their house majority to try to sort through what's true. And what's not about Trump? And look some of the crazy theories. We've heard are going to end up not being true. Right. I just as Cohen has shot some of them down. But a lot of them are going to end up being true. And so I guess I look at this. And it makes me say the Democrats need to do a lot more of this. They need to do a lot more calling witnesses. They need to get Trump's tax. Turns. I I don't completely understand why they're waiting so long to do that. But I mean, isn't your hope that we basically are now at the beginning of a period in which we're gonna see a lot of hearings like this. Yeah. I mean, I think we are at you know, Adam Schiff has told me as much that he intends to do some of that one thousand televisions committee made clearly I think that Jerry Nadler intends to do some of that with the judiciary committee. And so speaking to your optimism, there's this really interesting book called the battle for public opinion, which is a sort of wonky book about polling during Watergate, and and looking very carefully at when public opinion turned because for most of Watergate people, you know, didn't think it was that important Nixon in his defenders called it a witch hunt and Republicans in congress pooh-poohed it, and when it really started to turn was when you had televised hearings. I'm not sure if that's replicable. In the current environment. When everyone's attention is much more fragmented, but this particular hearing, right? I mean, it's not just on cable news. It's on the networks. It's going to be on all of the news broadcasts. And so I mean, these congressmen do you think they're really this dumb? Or are. They just sort of being theatrically obtuse. I think they're being theatrically obtuse. What's the old line? It's it's hard to get a man to believe something when when his paycheck depends on not believing it and for a lot of these people if they start defying Trump their political careers or done, but I'm thinking of the one congressman who says he never heard of Mike he's he's implying that Michael Cohen is like thrilled to be on television. That's what this is all about. And he said something like I've never heard of you before today. Yeah. That was a weird moment which like really, well, he was deputy finance chair of the Republican National Committee. So on the one hand, I thought like cannot actually be true. But there are probably some people, you know, maybe a lot of people for whom. I'm Michael Cohen is like, you know, at best kind of name that they've seen in the news. But they don't have a really clear picture of. And again, I just it's become impossible for me to try to like project, my mind outward to think about like, how somebody who doesn't think Trump is unfit is processing all of this. Because even though I think of myself as an empathetic person, it is very hard for me to get my mind around what it would be like to look at Trump and think that he has any business being president of the United States. So since Ross can't be with us. Let me try to channel him for the very end here. I mean, we've both listened to him say look in the end people elected Trump, knowing he was kind of a sleazy businessman, but that's different from there being any evidence that he actually participated in some sort of conspiracy with Putin's government, and I feel like in the lead up to the Muller report being released. There are a lot of people were saying, you know, the Mahler report might be disappointing. To Trump's critics, and you can see how Coen's testimonies damaging as it was plays into that. Right. He he never said Trump directed him to lie. So it looks like that BuzzFeed story was wrong. He was doesn't. Right. I mean, I feel like it kind of suggests that the BuzzFeed story was wrong because he only implicitly urged him to lie. Yeah. That's fair. I mean, I guess I don't think that's going to win over people who haven't been one over yet. And so I guess I'm sort of interested in given that case how you're now feeling about the molar report. Are you sort of preparing yourself for the possibility that it's gonna feel like a dud, or or do you still think it's gonna be a big deal? I think both right. What people like me are hoping from the Mola report is not necessarily that. It's going to expose a giant conspiracy to me the giant conspiracy is in plain sight, it's that it will summon enough evidence that people who are have Mula sleep denying. It will no longer be able to and that's a pretty high bar. And so, you know, whether it will end the debate about this stuff, I think is different than whether it will show that Trump is a traitor and should be impeached. I mean to me that's already been amply demonstrated. Yeah. And I mean, I'm not sure I would go as far as trader. But I I certainly would go as far as he has violated. His oath violated the law and doesn't deserve to be mean. I would say trader probably not in the technical like rate, probably not under the law. We're not technically, you know, we're not a war with Russia. So I understand. Yes. It doesn't meet the legal definition of treason. You know, and you could put that on a red baseball cap. You know, doesn't meet the legal definition of treason. But I feel like that's the best you could save for this president. And then there is this cringe worthy moment where a Republican member of congress tried to defend Trump and the way he did it was by dragging out Lynn Patton, who's an African American woman who previously had been a Trump family wedding planner, which qualified her and Trump's estimation to be part of the department of housing and urban development. And basically literally dragged her out. I don't think she even said anything she did they just had. They just had her standing there being like here is a black woman who says that Trump isn't raises. Yet. And in what I thought was one of the finest moments for any house member during the hearing, Brenda Lawrence, who's a congresswoman from Michigan later on said, how dare you use that old trope of here is a single African American person who proves whether someone is racist or not. And I thought that was just a really important that she didn't let that moment go. But she really quite bluntly called out the Republicans for doing that. Because I mean, the evidence that Donald Trump is racist is not just Michael Cohen. It's like thirty years of public statements. Wait, I mean, and this is one of the weirdest taboos in American politics. The the idea that it's kind of in any way. Controversial, right? I mean when Kamla Harris recently said like, yes, Trump is racist. That should no more. Be a controversial statement than saying. Like, yes. Trump's skin color is unnatural. It's just it's evident to the naked eye. It does sort of feel like we've entered a new phase here, doesn't it? Right. Which is we're expecting the Muller. Report. It's the beginning of these big hearings. And it feels like finally there. It's not just going to be through scoops of good journalism. But it's gonna be through a really public accounting of what Trump has done led by the House Democrats. And and I don't know how it's going to end. But I'm happy to be at that. Phase. Do you think this hearing gets us closer to impeachment proceedings in the strict definition, I'd say yes, but only a little bit closer? I mean, I don't think the house should jump from this to impeachment as you said this raises a whole bunch of other questions the house needs to pursue. They need to go after his tax returns. They need to pursue this notion that Jay Secolo, a White House lawyer may have played a role in preparing Cohen's false testimony that's gonna Land cO. And joe. So to me there is no real upside in the Democrats opening something that they call capitali impeachment. I think what they should. Instead do is go really. Hard. After the substance of all this stuff, the substance of Russia. The substance of the White House cover up the substance of the campaign finance violations, all of it. Go really hard after it. And and then a few months from now when it no longer feels like as you said, we're just sort of tantalizingly at the beginning of this evidence. But we actually have a clearer sense of what really happened at that point. I'm totally open to the idea that they should open impeachment hearings. And in fact, maybe it will be the only good option at this point. I guess I think that it will look more political if they opened impeachment, and I think they should keep going after the substance of it. Although I agree with you on the substance. I I don't think it's crazy to be talking about impeachment. It's probably right. And look, obviously, we're going to learn a lot more in the next few weeks because we're expecting the Muller report then and so we will come back to talk about that on the show. Of course, when it comes out now that we're gonna take a quick break, and we'll be back for a segment with Ross to talk about Bernie Sanders. This is Deb Emlyn crossword columnist for the New York Times solving the times crossword is like entering another world where your mind can stretch its legs. The wordplay column has your back if you need some help and soon you'll want to solve every day. Start a puzzle over breakfast and finish by bedtime. It's everything a habit should be fun relaxing and able to go anywhere with you. Download the app or start playing online at NY times dot com slash solve to experience life in the grid. Bernie Sanders is back. So Senator Sanders you're going to run for president. I am going to run for president. That's correct. And this time he isn't just a shot outsider among the twenty twenty presidential candidates. He leads everyone. But Joe Biden in the polls, and it's still not clear whether Biden is even running on the day that Sanders announced his campaign, he raised six million dollars far more than any other candidates did on their announcement day today. We're going to talk about whether Sanders deserves to be treated as the front runner and whether his presence and the campaign is likely to help or hurt the Democrats retake the White House, but I want to start with the emotional aspect of the Sanders campaign because it really doesn't spy such strong feelings from democratic voters many view him as the only good candidate while many others seem to resent him. Michelle. Can you help us understand? Why Bernie Goetz people so worked up it's a couple of different things. I mean, there's still a lot of really hard feelings leftover from twenty six. Sixteen a lot of people feel like he hung onto long after. There was no way that he could get the nomination, and that kind of left progressives in the party demobilized into moralize, and obviously the Russians were able to exploited that people believe that when he finally did endorse Hillary and start campaigning for her that it was sort of grudging and have hearted. And you know, the the whole concept of the Bernie, bro is really controversial and volatile. I understand that a lot of his supporters resent it because they feel like it's a smear of the whole movement. Can you Michelle can you just define for our listeners? What is a Bernie, bro, a certain kind of socialist white male who enjoys hectoring non Bernie supporters about why their concerns with identity. Politics are kind of trivial and bourgeois. There's just like a certain kind of. In my experience sneering, white male Bernie supporter that was so grading. And that I think it unfairly may be colored some of my perceptions of Bernie, let me put it this way. My husband, and I both have acquaintances that we will probably never speak to again because of our interactions over the twenty sixteen campaign. Right. So this to me is one of the big questions hanging over burning. Because I've always thought unlike a lot of people that he may not be the front runner for the nomination. But he is certainly a front runner. You know, you're looking at you're looking at a divided field right with lots and lots and lots of candidates getting in obviously, Bernie isn't gonna command all the voters who voted for him as a protest vote against Hillary Clinton. But at the very least there's clearly fifteen to twenty to twenty five percent of the democratic electorate that is plausibly ready for Bernie. And that's a big junk in an divided field. That's a chunk to build on. If you want to win New Hampshire in Iowa, which are both plausible states, very plausible states for Bernie Sanders to win. So I've I've always taken him very seriously as a candidate to me the big question is the one race by Michelle's bad memories. Right. Which is that there is this extraordinary level of ill feelings left over from the two thousand sixteen campaign on the democratic side that I think creates a strong anti Bernie bias among a bunch of the kind of liberals, and progressives who I would think would in a different context be open to supporting him. And that to me is sort of a big hurdle potentially that he has to get over. I'm not saying he's gonna win. But isn't that a bigger issue on left Twitter as people say than in the real world aren't a lot of those feelings more intense among journalists in operatives than among large numbers of. Voters and if Bernie actually emerges one of the two people in this race. I don't know. I guess my instinct is he he's not actually going to lose that many votes over those bad feelings, I think if you look at the polls, you know, if you look at polls kind of asking Harris supporters, for example, their opinions of the other candidates. They don't, you know, people who support Kamala Harris don't have negative opinions by and large Bernie Sanders sort of true for a lot of the candidates, right? The democratic electorate is much less polarized than Twitter know, so my worst case scenario is that it comes down to Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris, and then we have this like reprieves of this knock down drag out battle between a class. I approach to progressive politics and one that takes into account issues of representation and identity politics for lack of a better word. And so, you know, I think that that could potentially get really ugly, but you know. If Bernie Sanders comes out of this process as the nominee. I don't think that people will coalesce behind him pretty quickly. And there's something interesting going on which is that. If he were anyone else, I think it would be obvious to everyone that he was the front runner, right? If that he's leading in the polls, he's leading in donations. He was the runner up last time around, and there is something like Trump in that. It took everybody. I think longtime to internalize the fact that Trump was the front runner, even though he was leading in the polls, even though by all sorts of metrics. He was the front runner, you just couldn't get your head around it. And so I think there's something similar going on here. I think there's a fascinating analogy, which I keep pushing on Twitter, and I I don't people aren't really excited by. So maybe it's not that fascinating. But between Bernie Sanders now and Ronald Reagan in nineteen seventy six and nineteen eighty where Sanders looks a lot like Reagan did going into the nineteen eighty election. He is the runner up from a bitterly contested prior. Mary battle like the primary battle Reagan fought against Ford. He's the avatar of a sort of ideological movement within his political party he's widely seen as too old and too extreme to get his party's nomination, let alone to win the presidency, and then he's up against potentially a President Donald Trump who for all their personal differences has some resemblance to Jimmy Carter in the sense of being this sort of weak president trying to hold together a failing coalition. So I I can totally tell a story where what happened with Reagan in nineteen eighty happens with Bernie Sanders in twenty in twenty twenty and he's the next president of the United States. And I I like to tell that story to conservative audiences just to just a freak them out a little bit it when you make that argument, it almost sort of makes me more inclined to support Bernie Sanders. My own feeling is still have the fear that he's too old. And that even though he's incredibly popular. Hillary Clinton was also incredibly popular before the two thousand sixteen election. And so, you know, again, maybe it's just my age or may own sort of personal temperamental caution. But I do worry that when the videos of him praising the ultimate union or praising, you know, the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. I think that you know, the younger socialists can't quite imagine that that will have any salience in the modern world. I kind of feel like for people over forty it will in this. I think goes to part of why he makes so many people who don't support him, but who kind of support his politics so angry is that his whole theory of the case is that it's not just that. He doesn't sort of take density politics. Seriously said he can't quite believe that anybody else takes density politics, seriously. And so there's been this debate among people who don't like Trump ever since the clock. L'amitie of the election over whether his voters were driven by kind of quote, economic anxiety, or whether they were driven by racial resentment. Or you know, in what proportion those two things played a role and Sanders, I think believes that they were driven by economic anxiety and a week ago. One of his pollsters was telling politico that they think that they can win states like Montana and West Virginia and Indiana. So they have you know, basically, this analysis of white working class voters that if you give them a populist option all that these kind of cultural grievances will become secondary and will become less important. And I don't see any evidence. In decades of American politics to make me think that that's true. Look, I'm not a Bernie, bro. As the Bernie rose will be the first to tell you. But I think there there is a way in which Bernie's at the sweet spot of of American pie. Politics, which is economically left. Yes. He's more to the left than most Americans, but economically left, and sort of not talking that much about the other stuff. Do you disagree? But then why then why are you behind him? Well, so that's a fair question. My object. So I to me the best thing about Bernie is one that he's sweet spot too. I think he's pushing in the right direction and three he doesn't talk like a journalist or an economist. He talks like a really savvy politician who just keeps repeating a message again. And again, my problems with him are that when you scratch the surface of his policies. I think there are a lot less thoughtful than say Elizabeth Warren's policies, I think when you go into the details of her policies, which are also trying to move the country to the left. She gives more thought to things like unintended consequences and actual details of implementation. And I think Bernie's basic analysis of how he would succeed as president is of look we're just going to build a movement and the Republicans are. Gonna have to come along. I think is just way too simplistic. And and those are my problems with him. I think we also haven't tested the hypothesis that Bernie level leftism can be general election winner. And just just to be clear. I think Bernie can be Trump. I think he would might have a tougher time than a self consciously moderate democratic candidate. I'm not sure he'd have a tougher time than the other people running in the sort of liberal to left lane, which it's a lot of people right now. But it's not just that Bernie's positions are on the left because it's true that the party is a whole is moved to roughly where he is. It's also that he does have this whole personal history as a Tribune of socialism, and we can debate and go back and forth about what socialism means. But to Bernie Sanders in the nineteen seventies and eighties. It clearly meant that the Soviet Union was kind of kind of a cool place. Right. I don't think he he is literally a good Representative of what the Democratic Party is. Right. I mean, the Democratic Party at this point is a coalition of people of color and affluent educated white liberals, right? And so to kind of have somebody like Bernie who obviously draws from both of those groups, absolutely. But whose vision of what the progressive movement is I think still a magin a lot of people from the white working class. I'm just not sure that that's the coalition that you should be focused on mobilizing if you want to win. But I think it's possible that he will run a much savvier campaign. This time around you know, he has a campaign manager fudge secure. You know, there's something lovely about the fact that the most viable Jewish politician to ever wage to ever run for president now has as far as I know the first Muslim to run a major presidential campaign that sort of the future that I want. So you know, it's possible that he will run. On a campaign that you know, kind of sidesteps some of what I see is a blinkered view of kind of what the Democratic Party is. So let sent here. I mean, I view Ross you said before that you clearly think Bernie Sanders is a front runner. I would to me right now. In terms of likelihood of getting the nomination. I put Sanders Kamala Harris, and Joe Biden who may or may not run in the top tier? And then I think there's a next year that includes Beto and Elizabeth Warren, and maybe some others any objections to the way, I've I've laid it out there. Yeah. No. I think I would put Cory Booker in here as well. Yeah. I think that's I think that's right. I mean, I think Biden Biden is weird. He sort of like right now the dark matter of the of the race where we just we know something with Sanders. Right. We know that there is sort of a committed Bernie movement there that may only be fifteen percent of the democratic electorate, but it's real with Biden. It's more sort of general. Good feelings about the guy that haven't been tested in the heat of a campaign. So in certain ways, you could say he sort of in a different category from Harris and Sanders. So there's this poll that got a lot of attention which Democrats were asked whether they want a candidate who is going to win or with whom a candidate with whom they agree. And it was a clear result Democrats wanted candidate who's going to win. So Ross if you were offering the Democrats advice, I know one of your favorite pastimes, which of all these top tier candidates. Do you think gives them the best chance to win? I mean, I think if we're if we're including Biden in the top three, I think Biden is the most likely to win with the largest possible majority doesn't mean it will. But I think that's that's still the safest and most plausible bet. I think with Bernie and Harris the question is basically the the way that Bernie winds bigger than Harris is if he gives a lot of conservatives the sense that he really only cares about class and not. About culture war. Which is of course, exactly. The thing that Michelle potentially objectionable about him. But one of the things that the Trump era Republican party has been able to do is sort of maintain this sort of level of culture, war, mobilization and culture, warring Zayed's among religious conservatives, especially and speaking as a religious conservative. I like the fact that Bernie wants to talk about class more than he wants to talk about culture war, basically, and with Harris, you might end up with with reverse and that that's the path to a bigger Bernie victory. Well, we want to invite you to let us know which candidates were not talking enough about give us a call at three four seven nine one five four three two four and tell us which of the democratic candidates. You want to hear more about if you do. So we may play you on the show. Now, it's time for our weekly recommendation. Every week we give you a tip of a way to get your mind off of politics Ross. It is your turn this week. What do you have for us? Well, we've been talking about Bernie Sanders and his possible affection for the Soviet Union back in the day. And by coincidence. The Oscars just happened this week and one of the foreign language film nominees which didn't win, but maybe deserve to was a movie called Cold War by polish filmmaker whose name is Pablo public hausky apologies to any polish listeners if I butchered that, and I I also recommend his previous film Ida. They're both movies set in eastern Europe under communist rule between World War Two in the fall of the Berlin Wall and Cold War is a romance, and it is super romantic. It's the kind of romantic movie where people do incredibly stupid things for love. And for the hate that love produces. And so on, but it's basically about a couple from Poland. But the movie basically hopscotches around through different European settings from the forties into the early sixties. And it's fascinating his last movie was about a polish non whose parents probably died in the holocaust, also fascinating. So check it out and see what you think of Soviet communism before Bernie brings it back. I really liked Cold War a lot other. There was something about it. That was so mannered. I mean, it's this black and white it's shot in. I don't even know how to describe the aspect ratio. But it's shot in. It's like a square rather than a wide screen, basically. And the I really enjoyed it. But I definitely the whole time. I was watching. It was like I had the soundtrack in my head. That was like, this is an art film film. Like, it was when I was growing up in, you know, kind of the horrible suburbs than I imagined that someday I would get New York City and go to indie movie houses, this was the kind of. Movie. I imagined. I would see, you know, brooding black and white eastern European cinema with kind of romantic interludes in Paris jazz clubs, and then a tragic ending that I'm not going to give away dates. That's totally right. Yeah. Well, what what's great about it is that it feels like it could have been made in like nineteen sixty three right that it's like, I think it sort of seems like it could have been successfully sealed in a time capsule from the beat generation and sort of dropped into art houses today. And it's in theaters now and available for streaming or just I don't think it's it's available for streaming yet. I think it's just in theaters, which is as Michelle says the way to see it you want the dingy as possible theater. You know, you want like four weirdos in trenchcoat in different parts of the movie theater. I'm sure the previews will all be you know, in French or something so find that experience and then go to jazz club afterward. Okay. Ross Rawson once more the name of the movie the name of the movie is Cold War. But it's hot. Excellent. Has a recommendation for the week. As always we would like to hear your feedback. You can call it. Leave us voicemail at three four seven nine one five four three two four. And we may play you on the show. You can also Email us an argument at NY times dot com. If you like what you hear please leave us a rating or review in apple podcasts this week show was produced by Alex Laughlin for transmitter media and edited by lacy Roberts. Our executive producer is Gretta Cohn. We had help as we always do from Tyson Evans Phoebe let Ian Persad Philbrick and Francis. You are theme was composed by Allison Leyton Brown. We will see you next week. 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Polling, fake awards, Oakland County, election integrity, and Fred Karger on being gay in the GOP

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Polling, fake awards, Oakland County, election integrity, and Fred Karger on being gay in the GOP

"I've been saying your car. Industries being sucked away from michigan's happening. If obama elected you won't lose one plant. You'll have plants coming into this country. You're going to have jobs. You lose one plant. I promise i i promise you are donald. Trump body of the week is a throwback to the twenty sixteen campaign and still another bullshit promise this michigan podcast. I wall surrogate. I'm proud proud to have been named michigan pundit of the year. I'm christine bury. A lot of people are saying this is the michigan podcast of the year and this week on the podcast of the year we will be looking at a couple of balls one with lots of bad news for trump and the other demonstrating that he's got a little bit of hope. I'm amy care hearten recently named michigan columnist most of the year robert mueller has warned us that the russians are hard at work trying to wrap fuck our election again. We'll look at what is what is being done to protect our most important democratic in a crack right and our guests. This week is the first l._g._b._t._q. Candidate for president in a major political party and no it isn't pete buddha judge and it isn't even a democrat democrat. We begin though with a couple of polls. Tell us a lot about the state of the national electorate fifteen months before the presidential election. I a poll conducted on behalf of fox news that had so much bad news for donald trump that they buried the results deep inside their website christine. What are the top lines for the poll that give republicans concern well. There are a few interesting things that i gleaned from this poll. I think the one that really stands out is the trump disapproval rating which right now is at fifty-six fifty six percent. Disapproval is the thing that really underscores that is that the number of people who are saying. They don't know what they think is at an all time low. Oh that's down to one percent so it seems like people have really started to make up their minds and they know how they're feeling at least right now <hes> as you know these polls are informative but they don't really predict anything. It's also interesting that his strongly disapprove rating is at an all time high high forty eight percent of that fifty six percent strongly disapprove of the president's job performance and if you look a little bit further into it how satisfied with the way things things are going fifty. Nine percent are not satisfied with thirty five percent saying not at all so <hes> saying there are strongly dissatisfied with the way things are going now. Good news good news there. If you go a little bit further into it you'll see trump's matchup against the candidates. He doesn't do really well against any of with them. He never in trump versus by in particular he never gets closer than seven biden has a wide lead over him and even if the margin arjun of error is plus or minus four even if that favored him and the undecided the break for him he just never catches by except for one week where <hes> biden liden was really low and so he would have he would have come pretty close there what i thought was interesting too and they match them up against elizabeth warren bernie sanders and joe biden in each each case he was at forty percent or lower voting for him doesn't matter who the candidate was. He's pretty much locked in with his base of forty percent is here's one thing that i i thought was interesting. Was another question in the poll was whether the country is safer now and they asked a couple of different things one is one focused on islamic terrorism for the most part that was awash thirty two percent said the country is safer from that thirty two percent so less safe thirty three percents said no difference really didn't didn't mean a lot to me. Although <hes> a lot of donald trump's talk is about i mean he talks talks about islam a lot and then the mass shootings fifteen percent said that we were safer from mass shootings with donald trump forty six percent said less safe if and thirty six percent said no different so we still have a majority who do not agree that he and his rhetoric has made it worse and that stuff forty six percent less safe is a big number media polston to focus on the horse race. Who's winning. Who's behind. What's the gap between the front. Runners the folks at crooked media producers of that great podcast pod save america did a different kind of poll. The podcasters crooked all veterans of the obama campaign's so they did a paul providing information. The candidates need to win in a swing state. They pulled wisconsin. One of the three midwest states trump won a total of eighty thousand votes one of the three midwest estates that basically medium president amy would messages to this poll find the most unleashed effective. I love the pat save guys. They cleverly call. They're pulling the polar coaster. Mr they've spoken of traditional polling in the past so they got a little bit creative with this one because they feel wisconsin is a critical state to the democrats twenty twenty twenty they ask probing questions of democrats independents and republicans specially designed for those particular groups and some of the things i found was that in wisconsin is constant trump's approval rating and favorability numbers are hovering right around fifty percent which is higher than the rest of the nation <hes> he's neck and neck with a generic democratic my credit candidate of course it could change either way once. We determined who that candidate is republican. Voters seem to be obsessed with immigration in wisconsin. Which is it kind of silly because they don't have a whole lot of <hes> immigration is from the southern border there but it just goes to show how trump's messaging and messaging has been so very effective in a state in the north given all this voters still believe trump is a self serving corrupt racist but apparently at least in a number of them do not care at least fifty percents <hes> medicare for this is interesting to me medicare for all pulled better than a public option for wisconsin constant voters and healthcare was the number one issue for democrats so i think that <hes> if dig into the numbers the democratic candidates can really get some attraction with this information and hopefully pod safe. Guys are gonna do this and other key swing swing states. A couple of interesting things that i that i found was the manufacturing really rebounded from the recession but the other parts of their economy really didn't rebound as much and their wages are growing <hes> less than the national average. They're feeling good. I guess but there are some numbers that don't really support part that in terms of the economy in terms of message against donald trump what they found was in wisconsin that the most effective message was trump is a phony populist whose is governed is a plutocratic and not as somebody who's for the people and the biggest message that was worked against him was saying trump has not drain drain the swamp <hes> when they tested the message trump has drain the swamp they only got thirty three percent agreed sixty percent who disagreed and even amongst republicans skins <hes> it wasn't positive for we got sixty six percent of the republicans agree that he's drain the swamp and nearly a third saying that he had i think if <hes> the democratic candidates message very clearly on immigration policy as opposed to just allowing trump and republicans to say that we're for opened orders orders and <hes> it's just i think that that could be very effective and then also onto come through with some comforting words on healthcare. Okay you mentioned earlier amy that the medicare for almost as did a bit better with democrats republicans than the public option message but independence or evenly split on the public option and their negative attitudes towards medicare for all by thirteen point margin amongst the independence. Which is i think probably where you really need to focus your messaging. What else i found interesting was that <hes> although wages aren't growing saying that fast the supplemental benefits to wages are growing at a faster pace in that's due in part to the increasing medical costs that employers are taking on so. I don't know if there is a healthcare story there about your supplemental benefits that money could be shifted into wages if we had a public option. I don't know if it would resonate a little bit. More people understood that in wisconsin wisconsin. It's a funny story. Isn't it yeah. It is a funny story. They barely have a democratic sweep statewide in the last election yet they thanks to gerrymandering lost the legislature big time and so it's a very it really is a fifty fifty state the other thing that the poll found that trump's most effective messages on jobs creating jobs strengthening the economy and of course this poll was taken before the fears of recession really made the front pages of the newspapers and i would think if this economy searched a slowdown it does go into recession. He's toast. I actually agree what right now they have a very tight labor market and going back to what i said earlier about the supplemental benefits increasing increasing faster than wages they're part of that was because the lower wage jobs the labor market was so tight that people started adding benefits to these non-career non-career low wage jobs and so if that loosens up i wonder also at that might do to the employers feeling that they need to be competitive have enough to to offer those kinds of benefits that upward pressure would be <hes> helpful but if we do have a looming recession as many economists are predicting downtown deal. I think summarizing this entire poll in the midwest what's going to work. Most effectively for democrats is running a campaign similar to the one that gretchen whitmer used to be elected governor of michigan very practical very focused on bread and butter issues and getting away from things like the miller report in the corruption eruption of that that was that has exposed and focusing on jobs on healthcare on taxes and on really the class <hes> differential now especially the income gap between the most people in the one percent a couple of political notes on the news just this week when he wasn't busy figuring out how to buy greenland our fearless leader was reminiscing about being named michigan man of the year and we kind of eluded to that are open christine as co host of the michigan podcast of the year what your take. It's so goofy a little background on this he he i referred to himself as getting this award michigan man of the year before the two thousand sixteen election couple of days before that at a campaign rally and sterling hi it's. He said he was honored. Five years prior man of the year in michigan blah blah blah a couple of years later. He's president at this time. He is at a roundtable for <hes> c._e._o.'s of the automotive industry and at that roundtable he mentioned that he had received the michigan man of the year award he kind of mentioned conversation that referenced then congressman dave trott who had invited him to an oakland county the republican party lincoln day dinner and they gave him a framed copy of the gettysburg address as an appreciation gift for coming so a two thousand thirteen dinner in oakland county apparently trump mistook this as being named michigan man of the year still tries to want to correct him because they're in front of all these c._e._o.'s and this is just based on dave trott speculation. I mean it's possible all of that. Trump has always thought he was michigan's. Man of the year i don't know but dave trotta speculating that because of the way that it was brought up in two thousand seventeen he thought that trump just misunderstood they framed copy of the gettysburg address is one little problem with this whole i there is no michigan man of the year award. I was just gonna ask that well. He is a malignant narcissist so it's not surprising at all that he thinks that he's a michigan man of the year he's so you're so good for the fact checking economy right because now you know he's got people running running around looking for what the f. this so and and it was c._n._n. And huffington post and a few others they're calling people there they they contacted contacted the chamber of commerce <hes> they looked at to the detroit news because they have a michigander of the year they call it michigan but i refused to give into that <hes> they looked into what rick snyder had done they went looking for this award and nobody has it and so <hes> in in doing a little bit of background research on this i i <hes> came across this <hes> jake tapper conversation with daniel dale. I don't know if you know daniel. Delvin albany's the fact checker he's been the main fact checker for trump effect checks everything which has got to be just the most depressing job in the world when trump tells a story story. He has a towel and he starts out the story with sir. Somebody says sir we want to give you this michigan man of the year award and in these stories when <hes> trump is recalling something that happened. It's not so much recollection as it is just sort word of a story and it always starts with someone unnamed calling him sir sir. We wanna give you this michigan man in the word man of the year award and he said i don't even know what it was from all i was. I wasn't political at the time. All i was doing was talking about cars. They said sir. We don't want you to talk about cars and he says no. I gotta talk about paris cars the problem and then they give me this michigan man of the year. I didn't even know why i'm just gonna sit here and humble brag you know which is why twitter such great platform for me because it's bragging all the time it's <hes> it's just yet another lie but it's such a i mean what purpose does this. I serve will he be even believe it. I think the greatest solution though came from david trout the former congressman he said the easiest solution is for the governor to just give him the award. I don't think crushing widmer's gonna take that advice though you know his his base just east this up like a shark to chum in. I mean they just love it so they're going to start petitions nations that are going to be talking about well. He won the he won michigan in two thousand sixteen so that made him a man of the year. There's no end to their imagination to justify defy. This weird stuff. Another weird story that has oakland county is came to a culmination this week. Although it's going to continue in the courts and that is the the selection of somebody for one of the most powerful elected positions in the state it was filled with a lawsuit tainted acrimonious entangled process. The job is executive of oakland county. The second largest in michigan republican l. brooks patterson held the job for twenty seven years until his death earlier this year now the county for now at least is run by democrat ferndale mayor dave coulter amy oakland was once. I read bastion a rock solid republican domain. That's come to an end all ford congress. Congress persons from oakland county are democrats and eleven melissa slogging brenda lawrence and hayley stevens <hes> but we don't. We're sure that dave culture is going to be the county executive for very long. We've got core cases. What's the mess they've created. How it is a mess local politics gotta love. It never speak. Ill of the dad is but they say so. I'm going to say this about l. Brooks patterson i that he was quite a character often entertainingly so he spoke his mind with no filter. <hes> this is a new era for my hometown county. Hopefully they threatened court cases to stop this nomination and the appointment in just a comedy of bad process us when they appointed coulter as the new exact one democratic board member resigned then rescinded his resignation so he could vote to vote coulter and and that resulted in republican members thriving threatening even more litigation. It's you know local politics. It's interesting. They filed the court cases. The courts are generally very leery of intervening in legislator branch decisions in terms of their internal operations <hes>. We've run into that at the state level a lot but i i really got a gig. A lot of david woodward word resigned so he could be considered for oakland county executive because he couldn't be considered while he was a member of the board then resigns because he's not going to be selected on resigning xining a wonderful concept well. He didn't vote on it so that's that's his premise for why he was able to underside because the whole board his vote to accept the resignation and they had not done so yet. The foundation of a democracy is the belief leaf that elections are fair in the results are accurate michigan took a major step forward toward fairness with the passage of proposals two and three last year but can we be sure that the numbers are that are reported are accurate amy. You've been looking into this issue and what have you found. Walt sent me a link to a the two thousand fourteen report from the michigan election reform alliance which warned of all the holes in our election system in the form of voter tabulations being off by up to two percent. Eh which in many races is the razor-thin edge by which it can be decided they found michigan's tabulated inaccurate and well below the federally required standards beyond. I'm that's our our elections across. The country are very hackel. I'm simply disconnecting. Voter machines from the internet doesn't protect them foreign governments can apply and and i suppose domestic <hes> people could employ what's called the air gap connection hack <hes> whereby they infect machines with malware through going through unprotected elected county computers like the county clerks and when the county clerk uploads the bail at design and then take thumb drive over and puts it in the voter machine <hes> that's that's where the malware comes from and we actually invented this american spies invented is called stuxnet the stuxnet hack of the iranian computers so we taught him how to do it. All fifty states where the target of russian hacks in two thousand sixteen yet senator mitch mcconnell refuses to move on the house bill providing <music> seven hundred and seventy five million dollars in election security. Funding and primaries are right around the corner. Who's news moscow moot. You're going to get that right. Yes right one of the interesting things that came out <hes> a few days ago was this letter from f._c._c. Chair ellen weintraub she sent out a letter to president trump to you say you keep repeating these accusations about new hampshire being stolen from you <hes> based on thousands and thousands of people being shipped in to vote against you you so please provide evidence of this and she justifies it with a couple of things one is that people have to be able to trust their elections and to the things you say are being used to justify laws that actually discourage people from voting so <hes> on the one hand you have moscow mitch refusing to help secure elections and on the other you have trump saying while we would head new hampshire but a stolen from us. I assume that it's a coordinated effort to just make people so disgusted that they don't participate. It may be working net fox poll. We looked at earlier said that you know more and more people are <hes> just disgusted with politics. Although it didn't really define what politics x was so you know politics could be really anything it could be people fighting it could be policy could be whatever issue they care about so. We don't know oh but you can see that. They don't have a consistent policy or even philosophy about how to deal with elections. They just demagogue at one thing. The michigan's got going forward is that all of our elections have have paper backups so there can be manual recounts if necessary and its actual paper ballot where people fill in the dots and all of that in some states they don't have if that although in georgia they just had a court order telling them for twenty twenty. You've got to have a paper backup for all of the ballots that we simply don't trust the computers to do all the work because of this hacking problem and then you've got the thing that i've been pushing which hasn't gotten a whole lot of momentum and that is to go completely to paper ballots that you fill out at home and mail in and we don't even have individual tabulates at the various polling places because we don't have individual polling places every anymore. Everything goes straight to a your local clerk and their tabulated there and it's a lot harder to hack at that level than it is to heck machine tabulate. Here's a county wide or state back. In two thousand sixteen alarm bells started ringing about potential hacks of our election and voting machines and so forth with a lot of pundits got on the air and said i really don't have to worry because we've got such a patchwork of different types of voting machines and it's different from county to county and state to state but but if the russians or any other foreign body wanted to hack our election they could do it. All they'd have to do is identify those very specific racism precincts that they need to flip flip and so we we have to be very vigilant. We need that seven hundred seventy five plus million dollars to take care of this problem. You know when we're problem too as you've got a lot of voting systems that are using windows software. That's no longer supported by microsoft. As long as our elections are dependent upon <hes> you know whether or not we should spend money on them. We're going to have a problem you know. He's he's budget considerations. I know that you know budgets are real and you have to consider where you spend money but elections should be a priority safeguarding. The elections should be a priority but another point that we haven't talked about was was it doesn't even have to be a state actor trying to disrupt the elections. It could be four hundred yeah kidneys basement a new jersey and they don't have to go after any of the voting machines very people. You know we talk about the voting machines. We have to secure the voting machines. Well all oh you'd really have to do is take down the power grid for a few hours or do something else to disrupt the infrastructure. I don't think it's a simple thing to do <hes> but that's because i don't have any idea how to do it but a you could you could use stuxnet for that in a couple of key places just in michigan just thinking michigan issue a couple of key counties in michigan and just throw it into disarray and next thing you know kwami kilpatrick as mayor again you you know what i mean. I just anything you could you could really affect the outcome of election just by taking down the power grid. The people to judge has the distinction of being a gay man who is a serious contender for the democratic presidential nomination. He's often labelled as the first major party gay candidate but that's not the case wall. One of your high school classmates was actually i that is correct. In twenty twelve former actor and gay rights activist fred carter ran for the republican presidential nomination saying he wanted to throw a monkey wrench into the mitt romney campaign because romney's religion the mormons did not at that time allow children of gay couples to be baptized fred ni- came from the same town in the suburbs of chicago <hes> go. We graduated two years apart from the same high school ironically at the same time we were in high school five miles away to another high school. There was a student by the name of hillary rodham and <hes>. I don't know if we ever cross paths or not. That's one of those stories that i can make up later that i actually met hillary rodham when she was in high school. Chances are i didn't but it makes a good story. A few days ago i had the chance to talk with fred from his california home about the differences between his campaign and that of mayor pete whom fred has endorsed his actively backing fred back in nineteen seventy ninety two shirley chisholm the representative from new york ran for president the first african american to run for a major party presidential nomination. Everybody knew of course that she would lose but she set a precedent and made it possible for hillary clinton made it possible for barack obama african american and a woman to run later and be taken seriously your campaign. Hey nate years ago. It wasn't that really the same sort of thing yes and actually just road op ed for the advocate yesterday commending shirley chisholm and just what a huge doc different she made the entire democratic field this year. I think without twenty candidates who des five women. We've got <hes> certainly an african american woman among them comma the harrison the top tier who dedicated her campaign to shirley chisholm so yes. I really patterns a lot of what i did. After shirley chisholm had done in nineteen seventy any too because she was a real trailblazer who helped pave the way for all these other candidates now a lot of people listening to this podcast with think republican gay gay those two things. Don't come together a little unusual. That's for sure. I'm just kind of a stubborn guy but when i started in politics at my at about at six years old i i was part of a republican party that was very different dwight eisenhower when i was campaigning does stations and in our hometown of glencoe illinois with my dad kind of continued through that process and then the republican party started to veer to the right but i've been fighting to keep it a little more the center her for many many years and hanging on by my fingernails these days but i'm kind of stuck and and i think the democratic party and certainly the no political the parties have gained a tremendous republican party is gonna have to change his way or it'll be extinct. The civil rights movement for african americans has moved awfully slowly lowly from the days of the emancipation proclamation forward and still a massive problem l._g._b._t._q. Rights though on the other hand to move very quickly once the dam was burst. I are you surprised by how quickly went from fred the oddity to mayor pete the contender. Yes very quick mcdouga- in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine fifty years ago the stonewall riots happened and it's really been at record speed. I think is how far the civil rights movement movement has moved and part of it is those of us who are in the closet like i was for for much of my adult life are able to live a very different life. These days is making it easier for you for younger generations now to be able to come out and and be authentic and and <hes> get the love embrace of their family and friends and coworkers yeah so that's that's really move the needle. I think so much so many people are out and proud and and the the the happening and a lot of the say the best to families the dow dick cheney liz cheney very very conservative but were they were vice president and vice president george w bush was crusading all over the country to put these constitutional amendments place to ban gay marriage dick cheney will rarely partnered with bush but he did on that issue in an election year because he has a gay daughter whom they love with two kids and a wife so that's what's really helping to change things now and <hes> i'm proud proud to be a part of that it was it was a tough battle for me. As you know i was on the michigan primary ballot in two thousand twelve. I got a lot of opposition <hes> not so much from the republican publican party there or the secretary stay to include me on the ballot but from other parts of the country and i i've persevered and now we've got this stellar candidates and people to judge who who i think is really gonna go all the way next year and i'm very proud to support him as you look at the fundraising totals for mayor pete one of the things i felt that it's going to help keep keep him in the races he built support is that you've got a core. Just as barack obama had a core that he could depend on when he first became a candidate until he was more generally accepted and financially heavy the l._g._b._t._q. Community behind you. That's a pretty big deal. That can sustain you for awhile campaign. He has done a tremendous indus job of tapping into that. I remember when i first <hes> one of the first gay pride parades. I was participating in as a candidate was the new york pride. I parade in two thousand and eleven and i remember going down fifth. Avenue in there are a million people at that parade and i just kept thinking to myself if there's as a way to capture this demographic l._g._b._t. Q. americans and all the allies financially voting wise every every other way that that could be a huge leg up for any candidate now of course i was running as a republican so it was very difficult goal to achieve but but <hes> pete who comes in with great you know great quality great experience and a certain ability in a different time and place to capitalize on the community and and of course you've got wall street. That's very excited about him hollywood. This very excited about him. I was my partner. I joe wagner co-chairing co hosting a big event at riot right murphy's home a big producer out here in beverly hills. I think i don't know if they raised half a million dollars for <unk> getting postponed. It's going to happen later but you know he just has all all these celebrities all these hollywood <hes> individuals gay straight and everything to <hes> to really rally around because he's such a unique candidate and since the days of stonewall one of the other events ironically coincided almost with your campaign was the emergence of rock hudson. Somebody who went to the same high school you and i went to as kind of turning the page a little bit on attitudes rock hudson who might new because i was <hes> frend of his in the seventies i go to his home. I was at his fiftieth birthday party. Guest starred onto macmillan which is big show very very closeted ositive. He was with tom clarke for seventeen years. <hes> i have a contemporary they have some pretty good knock down drag out fights but they gotta la great and then you know he courageously came out after he was diagnosed with h._i._v. Aids which for somebody <unk> who lived in the closet for as long as you do married a woman to try and keep a secret save his career which he he kept very separate from his personal life was was was so significant because not only did really share with the world the plight of h._i._v. and how it goes for anybody and anyone one is susceptible but i think it really had impact on the reagans because they'd been longtime friends of <hes> of rock hudson and i think that really changed the reagans perspective yvonne things in got him a little bit off the dime when he was on the sidelines and not doing anything to help in that crisis which impacted so many of us so you know hats off to rock hudson what's that i said at the time you know he did a huge service for <hes> for for a lot of us who are still closeted and then certainly for those people who our h._i._v. positive and suffering from the plague that <hes> you know still is with us but is so much better now for many years the log cabin republicans l._g._b._t._q. B._t._u. <hes> members of the republican party were force in the party does that group even exists now as as a force <hes> their route they're even more before so. I don't really think they were forced to much. They were kind of outcasts. They were i mean it was about two years ago. The california republican party finally recognized lives california log cabin california republican party. No not really it keeps shrinking. It's amazing big. It's like washing cotton assured him hot water drying it shrink it up and <hes> the numbers are there all time lowest but they the you know the were taken over by the far right and have been pretty successful in that although some of them have parted company some of these chairs very very conservative and and come to some log cabin events so they've they've kinda chipped away at the at the fire right and they are but you know they've not had the kind of impact i think they'd hoped to have and it's small and you know it's tough being a gay republican. I've not really been involved with log cabin very kind of the most part hostile my campaign because i'm far more moderate progressive on so many issues so <hes> and i think they kind of resented me but a few either at a force my way to speak at their national convention the first openly gay candidate in history and i'm a republican and they didn't even invite me to their national convention and i was fine with that but then a friend of mine who's involved interceded and they had me keynote their legend speaker panel but you know they're they're. They're trying. I commend them. They're trying to be that elephant in the room and they forced just a lot of change within the party and i hope they continue and i hope they get some funding because he's l._g._b._t. Organizations that have such huge amount of money <hes> are affective but then you'll win they do in the republicans are in power like we saw for the first half of the trump administration both houses of congress the presidency that h._r. See z. and glad and you know taskforce are all kind of young neutered because they have no cloud at all and so you need to have a voice choice in that room and the log cabin republicans were were that voice and i know there's some good appointments that administration but you know they're just very small. They've got a one one or two person office and they just need some good finding and backing and they could be a real force in the party. Let's project forward a little bit to the general election campaign and assume that people the judge is on the national ticket their number one or number two. You've experienced <hes> the bigotry. You've experienced the slurs and the snickers and all of that. How do you think the republicans go after them. I sure that they'll be you certainly from the president down. If he is the nominee or i'm the ticket the they'll certainly unleash everything. I'm sure there are plenty of democrats looking into every bit of his background because he's come on so strong associate successful but i think after you know what will be four years of donald trump that america will be ready for some stability someone com bright thoughtful respectful and pete. Is that guy in spades. I mean i've never seen a candidate like him. When i went to his first his his first public appearance i went to is in brooklyn new york and mid february and was just in a couple of weeks after announced his exploratory committee and it was at the brooklyn librarian thinking and get the right at seven thirty. I'm sure there'll be plenty of seats. Mayor south bend indiana. How many people you gonna is he gonna turn out in brooklyn new york. While was i wrong so they had to fifty people waiting outside this auditorium three hundred fifty inside lining. The back of the hall sides of everything seat was filled everybody that he was riveted by his comments. As i and that's the kind of ability he has. He's getting a little lost in the debates. Because how do you make any noise when their ten people. I was in detroit last week. I went to both debates. It's very difficult position in a minute or thirty seconds thoroughly avenue impact but when field narrows as it's happening thing i think we're gonna see a lot of people really looking to to him to <hes> to be our next president and i think he has that ability to really carry for his play ads in his ideas and be a conciliator and that's one of the things i really like about him is he's a has that ability to get along with republicans and democrats and independence and and really make a difference in and put coalitions together and that's what this country really is lacking and and i think he's the guy to do it now. Excited doors some and support them and i've maxed doubt i'm a bundler form which i've never done which is actually the easiest fundraise of my life. People were beating down the door to get <hes> able to go to this event coasting because <hes> you know kind of a star studded event but they just like him so much and they had it turned out a lot of people which is a hate to do it a fundraiser at twenty thirty eight hundred dollars a pop but they had to do it because the home was limited in size but i'm excited about his candidacy and i'm excited to see the field narrow and see him really shine on on those debate late stages fred carter always a pleasure to talk with you. You'd be safe. Thanks you too. Thanks very much and that's it for this. Week's podcast our thanks to fred carter for joining yes and as always thanks to donald trump for doing something dumb so we could make fun of him. We can't wait for the grand opening of the new trump casino in nuuk greenland. 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Ep 424 | Goodness Gracious, Thanksgivings NOT Racist!

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Ep 424 | Goodness Gracious, Thanksgivings NOT Racist!

"Today on the news and why it matters Why we shouldn't celebrate Thanksgiving from a bunch of students who don't know anything We've I've got a lot coming up. It's Thanksgiving episode. Starts Right now. Welcome to the news and why it matters. I am Sarah Gonzales. Happy early Thanksgiving today. I am joined by stupor gear Who is has a fork in his mouth Great and Aaron Colon. We are are enjoying our Thanksgiving meal here because they made us work. And this is our silent form of protests. Yes anytime you get Glenn Glennbeck to pay for your pre Thanksgiving meal. You do that when you. Yeah thanks Glen so we will be really rude and we will be eating while we are doing. The show got a lot to get into. I want to thank our sponsor over comer now overcome. Her is the number one inspirational movie in America and it is now available for digital download. Today it is also available on Blu Ray and DVD December seventeenth now. 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The Guy is commenting about the food So at Thanksgiving draws near of course the college fix is one of my favorite hurt websites to visit to see. What kind of ridiculousness is going on on college? Campuses throughout the country they visited macalister MR think is how you say it macalister college and Minnesota in Salon mcallister. It's really weird. It's there's two ways in there I don't know they. We went to some college. Where there were a bunch of whiny millennials? Talking about how terrible Thanksgiving is And here's what they thought leaning towards no I feel like with you. Know the historical context and you know kind of the really awful oppression of indigenous people like the holiday is really like praised by people more and like the conservative side of things to talk that sort of tradition original political like the celebrating. Feast really isn't because of the notions of what the actual holiday was also wants. The indigenous peoples in the murder of people are going to be really but what do Americans do except for celebrate unethical holidays Columbus Day. I mean one Christmas break should be labeled as like winter break in general. The muscles are celebrating Christmas. Sure do you celebrate these holidays More or less probably more uh-huh more or less more or less are I mean it's hard to believe that that's an actual opinion. I feel like so often that. That's that's the stuff you see on twitter but isn't isn't how people really feel. But you see that has permeated the brains of these college kids where this is just their lifelike. Its reactionary genet to say America's bat whenever there's an opportunity you say America's bad and you're just a fight later as that one guy was word by word you've finished one. Where did you start the next word? He is eight notion from she. Anti notion I I can't it's hard to believe you know I mean like even even if you think that you go down and you can find these things that you might not agree with or he might say Columbus you know did some good things did some bad things but how can you not recognize you. You know what is come together. Here is a positive overall outcome. You don't have to celebrate the murder of indigenous people with Thanksgiving here conservative. Well sure I mean we do that. Nobody else really you can just right here. We imagine the blood of all of the indigenous very dark. It was a little dark. There was no you can just get together with your family and be thankful for stuff and you can also say that. It was bad happened to indigenous people. I think but you know. I don't get the Notions I agree. But it's just so frustrating. Because you know you you look at like like like suicide really what all was accomplished and where we are today and it's like yeah. We all agree that slavery was bad right. That doesn't mean and were not awesome today doesn't mean that as a country we can't just celebrate who we are and how we got to be that way today. You can tie almost anything anything to something bad if you want to. If you try hard enough and then you'll just have nothing or you could take these things and you can turn them into something. Good Actually ty Democrats to everything bad everything. I think that happened in. This country is from the Democrats. You know you're talking about the trail of tears the way the native Americans were treated. You Go right back to Democrat Huh. Andrew Jackson you go to the slavery movement WHO's trying to keep it who is trying to protect it. You go to the Democrats in the south you go to Jim. Crow laws laws. That's all Democrat policy. You go to abortion segregation all of those things. That women mentioned Christmas. Can Chris Doc by Christmas to it But it's it's despicable how Republicans. Now all of a sudden and America is blamed for all these tragedies and all the racism that was all perpetrated by the other side and it is it is interesting. I was watching The Steven crowder had the special social this week on an Epstein and they ran a commercial for him he's doing One of the change. Your I think it's tonight They WANNA change your minds on On thanksgiving giving. It's like I think he's giving isn't racist. Change my mind and it's interesting 'cause he's done so many of these and if you've never seen one there really it's a it's a great concept I I mean and he always comes up with this somewhat controversial Conservative point and he goes out there and say you know. There's no such thing as transgendered or whatever like I don't I don't know if that was one of them but like that type of thing where like you could see people pushing back or whatever. It's amazing that this one would get. That kind of reaction. Thanksgiving isn't a racist. Like how on earth is there enough people to even show up at his table. Argue this point. This is the first time I've ever heard somebody say that Thanksgiving is a conservative thing. I never I've never even heard it framed and the way that they that that person framed it was like Well conservatives are the ones who are still pushing for all of the the oppression of indigenous people like that. We're right lake take. That's that's our party's platform. The platform we push for the oppression of indigenous people. You caught us. How many reservations have you built recently? I mean I don't WanNa say it's only three but I'm working hard speaking of Thanksgiving thanksgiving mutation sitting here eating with her mouth full. We've just that's what we do here on the reason. Why matters we bring you real conversation So speaking of Thanksgiving giving if you want to enjoy a meal with your family and then you want to enjoy a nice little family game. Well it's Matab. I believe Mattel has got you covered. Thankfully they have come out with a new version of you know that it's non-partisan and well you get rid of the red and the blue cards so there too offensive people. Are you know. Obviously when they play who know they're too concerned earned with you know keeping the red and the blue and which one wins and so they're replacing them with purple and orange and there is a new veto card it is a black and white card and it has the word politics with the you know the symbol with it crossed out and it. Lets you skip anyone who is talking politics politics during the game I mean. I've been clamoring for this nonpartisan for a really long time. Who knows somebody starts talking about Medicare for all right just ruins the whole game and so this is exactly for me and my family because we just can't get through a game without yeah? I had a game that broke out into a genocide. Certain about that anyway anyway. Yeah well that's out there that you made it out. Yeah no I barely did Caesar. On both sides they battled and I luckily had Did you get your who knew game out I did. I got the whole game. Did not get out. Is this a problem. I I do think that this is just a brilliant marketing marketing tool right. WHO's talking about right? Nobody's talking about and now we're all talking about. Who are you buying it? I might be buying but it might remind you that knows a thing or that it exists exists need reminders. I'm not going to now game win and when you talk about the fight that started the purple. Well I mean it but to me. It's like do we. We don't need nonpartisan you know. How dare you know you need to know the only the only people talking about politics during is mattel like no? This wasn't no one's talking about politics during the game no he was bringing politics into the game. This is the brilliant. No one was talking about. Who knows except Mattel either? And that's why now we are all talking about udo but we're criticizing them But it's I I I'm not even Curtis I mean it's IT'S A. It's a marketing gimmick right. It's marketing give us. I mean I I don't I don't know how we're GONNA play a game of nonpartisan though. Yes we should wear the cards. I'm not fun is fun politics but let him in spree in there. We're just talking about tax rates and like the farm bill. Why did they have a farm bill card? An there's no reason keep your tariffs out of my and that's Joe Biden in twenty twenty news. Joe Biden Oh this is really awkward. You know how Obama would not come out and officially endorse him and Joe Biden. Like I just don't want you. Why would you want your unfair to the rest of the suspensive? Want Obama milling in our elections. Well there is a A new report from politico. That has come out that apparently Obama is telling others that Joe Biden quote doesn't have it He is he he's do you. He's meeting with a bunch of the candidates. Interestingly Enough Biden has not been among one of the candidates that that Obama has met with in his offices but yeah politico said extensively meetings are for the aspiring candidates to gain some wisdom from the last Democrat to win an open presidential primary in the presidency but they also allow Obama to collect what his own intelligence about what he and his closest advisers have made clear as all that matters to him who can beat Donald Trump. Now in the report also said he actually told Divall Patrick he thought it was too late to jump in and not with his advice and he didn't take it and that there were Apparently I think close to a dozen phone calls that took place between Joe Biden and Obama where Obama with basically begging him not to run and he did anyway Really Awkward Really Awkward thing to come out for job. I mean if that's true I wonder what the what is the deal. What is obamacare if OBAMACARE getting I remember why is he so he must know something maybe he knows something about the mental capacity of Joe Biden. I mean I think we all know in crane moral. Yeah could maybe he knew before the administration was over. That's very possible here it. Does you know like again biden is like a high octane guy. And that's a it's tough to mix when you're when you're slowing down. You know someone who Reagan did this well. Reagan was slowing down but he he was he was an actor right. He knew how to deliver a lines. He knew how to do a speech. It was slow and measured by news. He's this off this guy when that starts failing you you just don't do it. Well Um you know it's like it's like trying to be a you know a basketball player that relies on your athleticism is set your fundamentals right. And so he doesn't he doesn't do he didn't do the fundamentals right. Well we'll see you know it's massive statement to me. I've said this from the beginning but I mean you go back I if I had to say who I think Obama wants to to win that job. I think it's Buddha judge judge. Judy judge was a guy who Obama signal out very early way before anyone knew who he was You know that's the reason he got into the race I think because has he had that underbelly of support in the one thing that can push a guy like Buddha judge over. He's not been able to get I I believe any African Americans to say they won't vote for America. Doc Obama Dourson. We'll do that. What was your the needle law? Because I mean he got caught using a stock photo of someone about lady from Kenya's AH serious problems with this world. Kind of wonderful bomb would stay away from that because he's kind of toxic in the in the in the minority sort of voting day he. There was a a big opinion piece. That came out on the route. Now say what you will about the route. It's not I don't read it for my news but it was really gaining traction on social media that said Pete. Buddha judge is allying M. F. The name of it and it just talked about how how how he looks down upon the African American community. You said some problems in South Bend. His perception reception is not good there. And if you can't even run your city and get the minorities in your city to think that you're on their side. How can you do that for the country's maybe Obama just doesn't want anything to do with that? He may not but that endorsement it would be awesome for him. There's no bigger endorsement in the entire field. If that were to happen for Buddha judge now there's no indication that is at this point but you know brock. Obama maintains a ninety eight percent approval rating among African African American Democrats. This is not a guy who is as any problem with With that which was weird when they started bashing them in the debates. You know. How's this guy is overwhelmingly popular Democrats still and but Biden isn't getting that sheen because Obama won't give it to him? All Obama has to do is say say this guy was my guy I if I if I will ask them not to didn't think it was fair. Yeah asked him not to forget forgetting that. It's almost I forget it as if it's it's not true back in my problem I should do. It is a real trying to be respectful. Wish the other thing that report before we get back into it we want to thank our sponsor keeps so you men out there maybe might be starting to notice a little bit of hair loss but I got good news for you. You don't have to go broke to avoid. Going Bald. Keeps is offering a black Friday sales sixty percents off. Black Friday sale is on. You know keeps we've talked about it on the program Graham before It helps you keep your hair. Yeah you got it keeps offers the generic versions of the only two. FDA approved hair loss prevention products. Now we're talking. 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I promise but why laser hair if you don't have to keeps dot com slash wife So WanNa talk about impeachment all the impeachment hearings for a little bit. Because I know STU hates talking about impeachment odd motivation but thank you So couple of different things at play here Really Weird flip-flopping going on by what's her name. Brenda Lawrence Lawrence of Michigan. She's a Democrat and she just the other day. She went out and said That she does not support impeachment pitchman anymore because she doesn't really think she said we we've got kind of she. I think she listens to super gear. She said we've got. I Dunno election coming up and like eleven months. I really haven't seen anything. That's risen to the level of impeachment. So maybe we should just let the election take place on that the American people decide and we were all like. Oh Okay yes. There's a Democrat publicly saying she doesn't support it anymore and then here in. We're talking off. Air and Aaron was like Oh yeah she changed changed she released a statement said Lawrence clarifies. So somebody you know yeah phone call. That's what that means. Nancy heard about. It made a phone call now. She's going to clarify. Change your mind and now she says she was an early supporter of impeachment and therefore she continues to support impeachment because the information they revealed is clear. The president has abused his power. So she's back. She's back on the impeachment training. How that is a pretty pretty big flip flop? It wasn't clear before that clarification it just shows you. What disingenuous layers are they? They're they're just partisan hacks and they don't care about the truth. This is a good time to remind if you happen to watch watch house of cards to see how these things actually go down because it has nothing to do with whether she thinks impeachments gonna not someone's made a phone call. There's a power play going on. There's pushing and pulling and and look the one thing that is risky about impeachment for Democrats as far as getting it over. The finish line is if this isn't even a swing district It's like a plus twenty seven Democrats. That's close but if you get a couple one or two of those Democrats swing district types that come out and say you know what hasn't risen to this level tend to give covered others and there's a lot of Democrats who would like to vote no on this because it helps them in their election now because they care about trump but because if they're in a Republican plus three district they weren't win yeah and so they would love to go back to the people and say look. I didn't vote for impeachment. You can trust me. I'm an anonymous broker. And she did bring up censoring as well. Which I'll I'd be interested to see if the Democrats take hold of that? She said we could just censure him. Just to prove a point that we're not gonNA tolerate this and set the precedent for future presidents and. Leave it at that. Pelosi is not going to accept that because it has that look for her that she does all this stuff for impeachment and it's a year at least held off. She's she's so committed she has to push through it now but that's what they should have gone with this. They could be there little point they would have able to say it over and over again. That was a big deal and now they're gonNA go halfway through this process and then fail the second half and think about this a censure would be almost as powerful as a UN win resolution. And it'd be like when we did the resolutions against Iraq and we piled up a few and then they ignore them all they. We got to sixteen told him okay. You've ignored sixteen times. We're about to do a seventeen wall resolution. Oh Aw and we did. We want to tear the country apart. It doesn't mean anything but does nothing to impeach him and not removing no. What does that mean? It's essentially no so that'll be a little strong word talking point for them. During the election we impeach the president. Well President Trump tweeted about this yesterday. He said the DC wolves fake news media are reading far too much into people being forced by courts to testify before Congress. I'm fighting for future President's Office Office of the president other than that. I would actually like people to testify or Don mcgann. Respected lawyer has already stated that I did nothing wrong. John Bolton is a Patriot and may know that I held back the money from from Ukraine because it is considered corrupt country and I wanted to know why nearby European countries weren't putting up money also likewise I would love to have Mike Pompeo Rick Perry Mick Mulvaney all of any and many others testified about the phone impeachment hoax. It is a Democrat scam. That is going nowhere but future presidents should in no way compromise. What has happened to me should never happen onto another president? That's very generous of him. There is one I do believe there's one in newsworthy. Part of that tweet which is John. Boldness a patriot. I'm serious like that is a big thing because there did bulletins on the verge of flipping and that his he. He does the same thing every time we tried the same thing with the Cohen. They're great they're great they're great degrade until they flip and Bolton while he's been hinting he has not gone in there and testified what she could do. He's he's. He's opened a twitter account but as Basham overtly on the twitter account. That is A. That's that is a legitimate piece of news out of that. I think well I also like that. He said John Bolton has a patriot and may know something else I. I can't confirm he just that he that might be the Patriot. He wasn't a Patriot when he left. I don't know He. You said he was. He was an actor. He's trying to win them back in a little bit. I think they're all right more to come back in a minute eating very Michelle Oklahoma. The people at home or eating it makes us feel better. Pay Ate a piece of pecan Pie but I did it off air so nobody saw so it didn't happen. The calories consumed just tell everybody that you do. Oh crap I forgot. We're on Hey you can check out over time on TV. He DOT COM yeah. I know that if you're listening to podcast you can listen to it wherever you are podcast. But why would you want to listen to it when you can actually watch us. I mean I have to say we're very dynamic. We're very dynamic not very attractive so I would say probably listeners. But there's delicious Broccoli. You could look okay today is there is a big plus some other Broccoli survive complete happened. Because I love that you were a vegetarian right. Mostly mostly aflame mostly But there's a lot of Broccoli there Yeah mostly haven't eaten yet then. When do you plan to do that? Pretty Pretty soon. off-camera oh like Oh. That's a neat little tracks. All right overtime starts next. I'll be Thanksgiving up next. Enjoy bonus overtime content from the news and why it matters available exclusively for podcast listeners and blaze. TV subscribers subscribers not a subscriber. Start Your free trial at least TV dot com with Thanksgiving coming up tomorrow. Felt like this was a good opportunity to talk about football. However neither Stu nor I really care talk about like and like records right now? It's everything's gone so I figured we'd talk about Colin Kaepernick instead who As we know he was supposed to have this tryout for the NFL and all of the teams we're GonNa come and scout him just so that the NFL talkable like see were not. Just you know blacklisting you for all of those stupid things that you did is just that you're not good And then of course Kapernick changed changed the location of the trial at the very last minute And how many people how many teams actually showed up at age twenty five because it was what an hour away away from the original venue and it was. It was like a very very last minute change. Obviously seventeen teams. Were to racist to go show. That's my take away the the other name. They didn't come in the first everyone that hasn't signed him. Yeah Right. That's a great point. You don't make Colin Kaepernick President of the United States. But next week racists I am so Colin tweeted out a Let's see something the other day. He said a huge. Thank you to all the people that made the a tryout happen in Atlanta and then he said can't thank everyone enough. We stay ready with a little video. Attached Watch. I've been ready for three years. I've been denied for three and continue to be ready. Yeah so we don't throw yeah. Well I saw half of it I stopping can throw weird that they highly edited that video under why the scouts were that were there said he was Up and down very up and down the accuracy that if he was a white quarterback I would say that okay. So we're back. Yeah you know. It's really nothing to do with his race as much as he wants to. Make it about to say but I THEY WANNA make it about race to though if you if you saw and it's like you know well you know I've been ready for three years and I've been denied. Well you've been denied because you're the Louisville play. That's why ooh tonight because you suck. You're not a good quarterback and you were you're one and eleven in her. Last fall starts and in a quarterback friendly offense which nick foles had these the second or third third-highest passer rating in. NFL history. In this offense you wanted eleven in it. I mean raises Nichols. It's all happening. Just lying you draw all your conclusions To me two things you have to remember about Colin Kaepernick number one. He was replaced by a white quarterback. Four he started worded kneeling. He lost his job to Blaine Gabbert. Sounds like you're saying is that racism is even deeper bigger problem over to to his good friend. Who met with him? Also black. Eric Reed has had a job the whole time. Why why on Earth are the is is the NFL racist against one black person but not the next black person who are doing the exact identical thing? Could it be that Eric Reed actually rises to the level of an average player which gives giving me job in the league. Colin Kaepernick is not an average player. He's a below average player. That barely would make an NFL roster under the best conditions and he's giving the NFL the worst possible possible conditions for a player. That counts. Sounds like you're trying to divide the race. Not Not much else to go. They're not speaking on So speaking of football are you guys. Do you watch football. I don't I don't use is it. What does it mean to you? Watch it on Thanksgiving every year together you watch. I don't care with the families do you go. You eat. beat you played partisan who know and then you watch the football game. What else do you guys do? Traditions during the national anthem. They have to eat every year. Do you go round Turkey. Yeah that's a controversial. Take rumor. Sure yeah no not really Turkey Turkey WORTHINGTON LOAF WORTHINGTON's protein protein protein in their most like protein like protein bars protein loaf. Same thing the awful. Not Though. It's actually it quite delicious. I this is the thing you know because I don't eat Meet people are like. What are you gonNA eat Thanksgiving all the best stuff frigging sides? Trump is the last. You know whatever it's part of it you're supposed to eat meat or something like this is like potatoes and stuffing and MAC and cheese. which I I do like the Mac and cheese so you just eight? Oh yes all the desserts. Right all the desserts you can eat. I mean like I I love the Thanksgiving. It's so good. Yeah we're doing the restaurant not one this year though for a long time yes because We have a family Tradition with my aunt and my uncle. My uncle bill was awesome. Unfortunately he's had cancer and he's had a real rough running uh here lately he's been in the hospital for about six months So this year. No no family No family event Kind of implants. We're just doing a Thanksgiving out at a restaurant. I think is going to be just like Christmas. Story is shop the head off a goose right of their table. That doesn't sound good or abusing passing her documentary. Pat Did you. Did you hear how snobby he just said aunt yes yes. They did that to my aunt MHM my aunt is. That's the way you know. Well first of all yes obviously now not believed it before and now after pronounce him and I also know. Yes it's autism. So that's the word right. What eastern on what do I do I well because again? I'm mostly vegetarian. I just eat a little bit of Turkey and then I eat a little bit more than I have some more and rolls. You know. Rolls the Hawaiian. Those Hawaiian Junkie. Big Some really love. Obviously because I don't eat carbs Thanksgiving you're not. Are you not really on Thanksgiving. Stop it fascinating couple piece. I'll have a couple of bites of like dressing. Maybe a couple of bites of mashed potatoes. Hey does this incredible. You're dedicated to things American. It's actually care about the sacrifices of the people that came over here that I'm protesting protesting the oppression of all of the indigenous people. Just want your notions. I don't know it's just the thing that I do. That lost a bunch of weight and I'm just paranoid gain a pack. Not even one meal of bringing nothing. No that's incredible well. There's never a time where you're just like. Screw it big piece of chocolate cake now out now. Now I'll get the chocolate cake but it'll take me a week to to finish because I just eat a couple of bites and then put it back in the fridge. I don't like you kind of you. Know Power Trust somebody it is. Yeah Yeah you're supposed to at least break down. Every kyle is what it is. Who are you what are only a communist spy? Thank you very rain into Ukraine. I didn't think the guys realize that I was a Russian asset here. We are and they've they've they've got me now up British. Today's poll all is it constructive to talk about politics with your family at thinks. Oh I mean I think you know I always have to talk politics. I'm sure you guys are the same way because everyone knows you work in this field. So that's the question I ask you at the time Pretty good at navigating those waters that yeah. I don't like doing all that much but I understand like it. You know if you if you had someone who was an athlete on TV. You'd probably ask them about their job in the NFL right like this. You know. It's what you do and Miami. I look like an athlete in the NFL. But I don't actually you know your questions. A lot of people are like. Hey I'm assuming you're a linebacker. No it's actually. Dopey talk show. ooh Weird Defensive Coordinator. Excuse me I. I was at a birthday party for one of my son's classmates the other day and speaking of like talking to people about what you do for a living. I try never to talk about my job with his the the parents of his classmates like. I don't know where they fall. Politically and like I don't want to alienate him from his friend. And so I try not to talk about it and one of the moms was like oh I meant to touch did not know what I did for a living. I meant to tell you My husband was Looking far gate videos the other day and said Hey Hey this this is mom we know her and and he saw my video and I was tain fully embarrassed I just WanNa get exposed. I promise I'm I talk about real stuff. That was just a person will stick forever fun for for me. Yeah E. every once in a while. That happens where like one of those things goes viral. And you hear from someone and they're telling you the story you're like Oh crap what video is eternally. Come up with defenses for all your most controversial videos. That happened to me PAT. What do you think well? It sounds like you were saying Fart Gate wasn't is it real like real work. That was important. That was important. Were I'm waiting for the the hearings can't shy away from FARC gate because I mean he did it right. I mean it was Chris Matthews. Still do you think it was Chris Matthews in the studio. Yeah I mean. Granted Grant Grant Sinfield I worked with them. NBC and said everyone around the building knows cover but small wheel. Did you Did he did leave. The worst timing ever was damning yes it was all know so what that means is too close to the camera the microphone. I Dunno Chris what he ate. You don't know what this is why it's an interesting topic. Legitimate one out of the work that you did good thank you. It was a lot of investigative reporting that went into that one. So thank you. I appreciate appreciate it before. We go really quickly want to thank our sponsor real estate agents. I TRUST DOT com. If you're looking to buy or sell your house maybe you know you in the new. So you're like oh we got to take advantage of the interest rates right now. Whatever the case may be you gotta go to real estate agents? I TRUST DOT com. They've already vetted all of the real estate agents for you so they do this fulltime. They are the top experts in the area. 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Lonnie Bunch on Race Relations; Isaac Herzog on Israel and the Diaspora

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42:53 min | 5 months ago

Lonnie Bunch on Race Relations; Isaac Herzog on Israel and the Diaspora

"Hello and welcome to people of the pod brought to you by AJC each week. We take you beyond the headlines and help you understand what it all means for Israel and the Jewish people. I'm Stephie Cogan and I'm on Uber Sheer men. The protests rocking cities across the United States following the death of George, Floyd in Minneapolis have many Americans asking. How did we here? To unpack that complicated history and where we go from here AJC's Melanie Merrin pill turned to Lonnie. Bunch Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution and founding director of the National Museum of African American history and culture AJC invited Lonnie as part of our advocacy anywhere series zoom conversations that you can register to watch in real time by going to AJC dot org slash advocacy anywhere. Just as we expected lawn, who has been a guest on this podcast before did a masterful job explaining the reality of institutional racism and the impact of civil unrest in this country. Here are portions of that conversation from earlier this week. Our country is facing unprecedented struggles and challenges as an organization with a long history of involvement in the civil rights movement. This conversation is particularly important to US Lonnie. Ura Historian so before to the events of today. Let's look back this week. Marks the ninety ninth, th anniversary of the Tulsa massacre where the business district in the heart of the black community in Tulsa was destroyed, hundreds of people were killed and injured. What can we learn from that dark day and what? We're a lasting impacts from that community trauma? Will thank you for letting me to be with you today. I always appreciative my dear friend Allen Rich. I think it's really important to realize that Tulsa was one of those moments where racism destroyed a community, here was a thriving black downtown black businesses, but many people who were not African American were concerned about how well they were doing, so they basically rioted burn. The town destroyed people's lives, and in a way. What this tells us is at first of all. It tells us that America often fails to live up to its stated ideals and met often those that hurt. The most people have come and so. So what I think we learned so much from. Tulsa is two things one. We learn that there's a resiliency that people have to rebuild their communities to rebuild their lives, and to basically even in the darkest moments. People realize that they dream of America yet to be and so rather than the Tulsa. Folks have saying it's time to flee. It's America's not going to be fair to us. They said it's time to rebuild, but it's now time for us to continue to challenge to make our country better. Thank you so having to what's happening today? In the situation? In which we find ourselves today it has taken four hundred years to get to this boiling point. This did not happen overnight as evidenced by what you Your remarks on the Tulsa massacre. We know that there are certain inequities that are essentially baked into the American cake, and cannot be fixed by the passage of a new law or simple policy change, although those are critically important. What are the greatest gaps, is the big question, but what are the greatest gaps in equity, and while we have made progress to be sure what is holding us back for more rapid progress on racial justice? I think first of all. Let me answer the big question by continuing to step back historically and to frame this. On one hand somebody said to me Oh is this unique moment I think there are some unique characteristics, but the reality is. This is something we've seen over and over again whether it's also the I keep at this moment I keep hearing the words of Ella Baker who was important woman who helped to shape the civil rights movement and over fifty years ago. She said you know until this country views the death of black mother sons. Sons as important as a death of white mother sons, we who believe in freedom cannot rest so for me. This is really a moment that is part of a wall along trajectory of where individuals are destroyed by racism where the institutional racism increases the number of African American to earn the criminal justice system in essence. What it strikes me is, I could name for you. The list of names from Trayvon Martin Gerald Gardner to George Floyd. But what I think we really need to recognize is that this is a moment to look at some of those inherent inequalities, but have shaped this country, I am really struck by the educational gaps, the fact that African Americans are not graduating college at the levels that I think we'd love to see I. Think even when you look at the educational system. What you're struck by is the percentage of African Americans who were in the case who twelve who don't have access to technology, so there are medic falling behind i. I think I'm struck by the fact. That I live in Washington DC and I can drive a mile from my house and see people who've been left behind the lack of economic opportunities in what that means to an inner city neighborhood. So for me it's really about both addressing legally and politically what needs to happen, but also recognizing that without educational opportunity without the opportunity to really have the life you WanNa live by based on the job you have. We're going to be back at this moment time and time again. Some I look at you and say you know what quality here's. This incredibly qualified historian worked hard earned his appointment to his position as secretary of the Smithsonian to some you are proof for Obama is proved. There are others that are proved that there are no boundaries or issues access. So what do you say to those who question that I want to dig into that a little bit deeper? On the one hand I say don't see the exception as the rule. That essence, there is no doubt you could make strong arguments I. do it all the time. That America's changing even in my lifetime from being a kid that remember seeing signs that said you know white only to Secretary Dismiss I. IT'S A it's an amazing transformation. I agree, but on the other hand. I think that if you look at the totality of the African, American experience granted. There's a growing middle class. You don't have the same percentage of people in poverty issue it, but on the other hand it is still so much higher than it should be. The percentage of African Americans in prisons is frightening to me and that what I realize is that I am one left turn away from being George Floyd that there is a fragility regardless of who you are being African American that says you could run afoul of the institutional racism that is still strong in this country. So I think that I'm proud that I can point to Barack Obama and say. Say there's possibilities there's hope their examples of people who have really done very well, but I am more worried about those that are left behind those that are locked in a sense of not believing in the fairness and the possibility of a country, so I am proud. If people look at me and say see, I can do that as well, but I also want people to recognize that there are a lot of people who I know who should have had the same opportunities of I have, and who have not an fallen by the wayside. Thank you! So turning back to the protests of today in the wake of the murder of George Floyd much attention has also been given to the destruction into the looting that have followed would have otherwise been peaceful protests around the country. We know the vast majority of protesters are there peacefully crisply and yet these incidents of vandalism and property destruction among other things among being just fundamentally wrong in criminal invite intervention that can then lead to more confrontation. What is your sense of the dynamic at play here help us talk through and work through. Some of what we're seeing will on the one hand, I think it's important to recognize the. Is the highest form of patriotism. It is the way that people who are voiceless say he is how I can make a country better. Here's how I can ask the country to address fundamental issues, and we can talk for a long time about the impact. The protests but I think that the challenge for us is to recognize that there are always going to be people who are going to take advantage of an opportunity to loot to steal. There's some concern I have that there's evidence that white. White nationalist and others who aren't interested in the actual caused racial justice or taking advantage of the situation for their own ends. I think it's important with anything else, and I hope that all the protesters feel this way that what they're trying to do is one to remember George Floyd and to two point, a nation's attention to the possibility opportunities of change, and my concern is that when people focus on the looters, the breaking of the windows. It actually turns everybody's attention from word should be. When we look at our history, we know we have so much shares. Of which were so proud, AJC is incredibly proud that we funded the landmark research of of car that was the underpinning of the board of Education. Decision that showed his research showed that separate, but equal is not in fact equal, so we are incredibly proud of that out. There have been many watershed moments. We've stood shoulder to shoulder and we do still. We really need each other I'm. Racism still plagues the society. Antisemitism still plagues the society. We need to be visible in vocal allies. Allies for each other, so you started to answer this question but I want to ask if you can help us understand a little bit more about what is essential. Both to rebuilding the Jewish relationship as you began talking about that, but then also how can we better out is? What is it that we can do to speak about racial justice and inequality in ways that will be heard and again I? Think to your point seeking as equals so that we're not seen as tone-deaf or Or as privileged by black friends and cartner devolve into the oppression Olympics. We sometime say when community is compared. Trauma seemed to compare trauma. I'm always struck by one. I see right wing racist when I see the set of people who are causing the great pain in Charlottesville what I realize is who they hey. People of color juice. So in some ways the notion ought to be is the recognized. We are in the same boat together that we are in the minds of some. Some, what is wrong with America instead of what was right as America so I want us to start from a position of we really need each other. We're made better by our collaboration, but I also think it is really then demonstrating that there are these moments where we actually come together as equals I've been really taken by the variety of things I've seen with AJC. Talking to different groups have collar working with groups to be able to say. We're trying to understand each other. And I know it sounds like you know a nine hundred sixty guy, but I really do think the interaction of getting to know who we are what we believe it really is the foundation for us to move forward. I believe strongly that we as a country need this unity in order to make sure that we have the resources, the creativity and resiliency to battle because of something that Allen said when he introduced us. Is that often? We view this as a sprint rather than a marathon and one of the things that I think is important to realize is to be able to look back as a historian and say here's rare profound change happened. Tipping points he is where moments where WAG Jewish. Relations made a fundamental difference. I was always struck by the relationship between black women white women in a variety of women coming together to protest anti define you know support to get anti lynching laws. Even if that fail, it told me the strength what happened. The people come together? And, we look forward to continuing to do that with you. and with the black community I WANNA turn back to something that we spoke very briefly before we alluded to a little bit about the nature of protest and the role that protests has played throughout history. And what is it in your estimation that will make this moment and these protests have a lasting impact. What is it that needs to happen in order for this not to just be a flash on the panthers? Are the raise raised a really crucial. Point when you look at the moments that we've had great crises where the country said Oh my God. What is this about? People are coming together and saying here's the commission report. Here's what went wrong and here's what we can do in. That goes into a library shells. What I think needs to happen is first of all is to recognize that one of the things that's missed. Is that these demonstrations which are amazing around the country which are driven by social media, but they're still disconnected. I think that the sixties one of the great strengths of the sixties student violent coordinating could actually bringing people together to say here are the strategic. That, we can accomplish by demonstration in protest. Dr Martin Luther King realized that the key for protests was that it would lead to something else. Whether would lead to legislation or lead to concerns from during the Cold War that America look bad in the eyes of the rested world. So what's missing is the overarching strategy. What's also missing? candling is political leadership of all stripes from the highest down to the local level to be able to serve operationalize for lack of A. A better term this time in our country and the reason. Why am hope mature? I'm optimistic, but I'm hopeful is because when I see the diversity of people who are coming together, it really means that people are beginning to realize that this is an issue that shape the African American community, but it's an issue that profoundly shapes all of us, and that sense of collective ownership is part of the key to moving forward. I WANNA. Thank you so much for guiding us on this journey with you again I know this is a conversation that we could continue for many many hours We know you're quite busy, so we will keep you for many many hours, but I wanNA. Thank you for this. You've given US quite a bit to think about did Xuan and we look forward to working with you and together alongside you as we continue to try to build the world in which we want to live. Thank you for me to be with you today. Isaac! Herzog spent fifteen years as a member of Knesset last five at the leader of the opposition. In June twenty eighteen, he became the chairman of the Jewish Agency for Israel. The pre state body that founded Israel in that role. He is responsible for the Jewish Agency's mission to ensure that every Jewish person feels an unbreakable bond to one another and to Israel no matter where they live in the world. He joined an AJC advocacy. Anywhere Zoom program this week where he was interviewed by AJC CEO David Harris to see all of our upcoming programming on advocacy anywhere head to AJC dot org slash advocacy anywhere, and now I'll give the floor to David Harris the low to of our viewers around the world and a special thanks to our guests in very dear friend today, AJC, Isaac or his friends call him Bucci Herzog, so would g since boozy. boozy before we get into the real substance I'm sure many of our viewers want to know the origin of the name which if I'm not mistaken as a certain French connection? Yes, absolutely French connection first of all, thank you, David is true honor to speak for AJC and speak to your audience. A organization is a very very unique and important institution Jewish Life Jewish world and the state of Israel. I can tell you that the law that. Gave special status to the Jewish Agency and the zero the world Zionist Organization in. was legislated as as an outcome of a deal struck between David Ben. Gauri on, and the chairman of AJ CJ Blaustein in the early fifties. So you know you left your mark on history and you're still doing it today. Thank you very much. So Bushy, Beaujolais my mother. Actually people know about my father's lineage. You know president of Israel son of the chief rabbi. Team and my uncle out by Ben and many other legendary Israelis in the list, but my mother, my mother was born in Egypt on the banks of the sewage canal. A father was chief engineer of the source canal, and my grandparents were simply fled as refugees from Egypt in nineteen, forty, seven, following the. UN resolution forming a joy state. And the riots that ensued, so my mother's mother tongue was French. And as a rare breed. That was a cute big. Unlike any other API by mother called me by Hebrew. In Xuzhou, in France which is by which means doll, and it stuck as bourgeois nobody. No, it was a family secrets. And then one day, the major party conference body convention thousands of People Prime Minister. L. Barack got up on the podium and said I think showed I. Don't know the committee or something. And so everybody turned around. WHO's Bhushan if you look at the book? Startup nation. You'll see that it's familiar. Way of nine Israelis like BP, Busey and bulky. Okay so now our audience can all call you. Push your old secret, APP. Now more to your bio, because if the subject matter, Israel relations you, yourself are bridge. You've lived in New York fiery recall not far from where living in speaking right now on the east side newer the Ramaz School. What are your recollections of your years in New York? How did that influence your all outlook? Calm the unity of the Jewish people in Israel relations in how they impact on my life. Huge and I think that will ever deals with this issue should experienced if possible something in living in Jewish communities abroad nightside came as A. Lesson might father was then Israel's ambassador to the United Nations. In those days. You know it was post. Young Kipper War and my father, and defended the right of Israel in front of the family of nations in a debate, which is heralded until today as one of the greatest speeches of the twentieth century, defending Zionism against the resolution, equating Zionism with racism, and so the spirituals different, but. I was exposed to the pluralistic nature of Jewish life, and I'm really grateful to my parents, or had no reservations about it meaning they enabled me. I went to an also school to Ramaz. School that which impacted my life tremendously, and they headmaster by asking look Stanley mental mind all my life. And, but it also taught me. I went to many other institutions and went to Masada. Masada income from Ma and I went and went to various other programs simply. Spent all my life getting to know what it is to be. Jewish in those days was totally ignore on you know and lack of knowledge, and not ignorant and behavior about what is right is all about one as life in his people then. And so there was a different vision of Israel than reality. But It did, impact My being in the fact that I am adamant about the need to be a bridge between Israel and the Jewish people and to keep this bridge gone because I think it's a, it's a say. Clear need of the Jewish people to the whatever they can to speak. So I want to continue, but I want to be sure that if you haven't heard the speech of client Of Bush's father in November nineteen, seventy five at the time of the UN General, suddenly resolutions, three, three, seven, nine, which was the infamous science Ms Racism Real Solution I urge you not only to read it, but also to watch it because there's drama not just in words, but the actions of father at the podium of the General Assembly. So. Let's four since two thousand eighteen new chairman, soft notes of the Jewish Agency. Many recall undoubtedly know a lot about soft note. I suspect there are some people who don't really know an awful lot about this very storied agency which I think again in nineteen twenty nine. That right? It's actually began way before that. Believer Donald David began on the as ago with a conference called the Sun Limo Conference. which is a very stark pillar in a right for serfs, determination inanity sled. Because that conference or a conference where they convened all leaders. Of the World Post World. War One, headed by Lord also bows for. The, one that gave about declaration in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventeen, which recognized the right of the Jewish people for a national homeland, and they took that resolution that led to about full end inserted in the resolutions of the British Mandate, which was to be formed in. The land of Israel and Palestine, and this is like are the source of our right of self-determination of statehood in Palestine. And in that process, David Greene that in order to implement the Balfour Declaration. It's fascinating chapter history. They must form an entity that will help the Jews deliver this vision, and it took two years for them until they completed it and gave the charter the mandate to Brits One, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, two, in which they wrote, there would be a Jewish Agency imagined the family of nations decided that would be a Jewish Agency and. Be Done with the Zionist movement with Hertzel's movement, and therefore one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, nine, after the squabbling in quarreling like people lay, now can't know how to do. They finally agreed on how to form the Jewish Agency and the Jewish Agency's charter was to found a Jewish state, and he did, and I sit in the room in which David been going on sat. Sat in lead our nation to independence, and sat in even late onto nine, hundred, sixty, two as prime minister, so yes, indeed, it's a very stark organization. Then we were commissioned, and we built about nine hundred villages and towns in Israel. We built the national infrastructure on behalf of the Jewish people, and then of course we were commissioned to bring lame to gather the exile. And we brought in four million. Orleans so far around including thirty five thousand last year, including twelve hundred during the covid nineteen license. So, let's begin. Though is two thousand eighteen. You become the chairman of the Jewish. Agency city. Of the top two or three priorities, we all know his seat IOS. If you have twenty priorities, you have no priorities. The first priority was dealing with the rift. There is an apparent rift. There's a growing disparity between Jews in Israel and Jews in America. Let me explain. I'm not ignoring Joe's all over the world, but we have two main pillar communities in Jewish world Israel about six and a half million in North America about six and a half million I call it Jerusalem and Bob Dylan I go to the ancient history of the two towns which were created in the ancient times of Jerusalem and Babylon say. Where's the interaction between current? Current Jerusalem and babbling mouth dozen normal interaction. Don't get me wrong. I think that the as opposed to the notion irreversible Rift I. Beg to differ I. think There's a lot of lovers rollout and as a lot of connections and enormous amount of intertwining connections, but we also know that there are strong undercurrents of diversity and change, and I say I'll try and I said it definitely up to the covering that there is lack of knowledge, a total lack of knowledge on behalf of Israelis as to what it is to be Jewish abroad and AS Roma's lack of knowledge by world, especially north. American Jewry about what Israel is all about. What I've done since gone into office of down whatever I can to low well the race or the tension, the differences by both initiating you programs to educate Israelis including all schools in Israel on what it is to be Jewish abroad asper jury lessons including going to the most extreme rabbis of all groups, in Israel and speaking to them directly in for. For is and I found that lots of admission of lack of knowledge and willingness to know more and the same I did by crisscrossing the entire world, especially communities and also American telling them guys. You don't know enough. You don't know much about Israel. Now. I'm aware about the issues of unaffiliated and people have frustrations and political divide, which looms over all. All over it, we know it, but I tell everybody we must think way beyond the political divide, and because we have the strategic goal of maintaining our nation. The second challenge erupted as soon as I went in, and you are very much aware of it because you're dealing with it, yourself is unfortunately the growing hate of Jews or let's say the growing. Growing symptoms of hates of juice, 'cause Joe's was always there. Antisemitism and hate of Jews and especially you know in life off Pittsburgh and Watson. You're all you're seeing even today, and that's a major challenge because that impacts, everybody's lives and we say you know I'm challenged on this in Israel, do you think that it's only the as the solution? Nice say. Is a very important metaphysical part of being, but we advocated every Joel as the full right to live, and enjoy his or her practicing ability as Joe's in which ever former manner aware they want. You said another of your child's was the growing antisemitism around the world. Are you seeing Elliott principally driven by push factors antisemitism economic distress. Factors Zionism fulfillment of a dream or combination of both and one of the principal countries driving this today. Okay, it's a combination of both because the pull factor is you know when you have a? Let's take a community like you know. What because they're willing that we speak about them so from day one day tally the Italian Jewish community literally collapse. It has twenty thousand Jews in. In twenty two communities Wednesday with have been stark names in Judaism, like vanishingly Vaughan on Geno and others, and clearly when I spoke to the leadership of the community from day one I never heard such devastating description of what a community went to. We even had start by Israelis, where we raise the hundreds of thousands of dollars by the Israeli public, so the community in its. Way, above our loan fund, which we had established to assist Jewish communities all over the world, which is in operation as already distributed seven million dollars and the overwhelming demand by the way of issues. On the table so. In this respect, we found out that the community needs assistance in hell. There are communities that the process to a sit stem and what they do on walled in all that Feast of Pentecost. With respect to way social distancing I, mean communities were devastating and turn to ran for assistance, so you can say say push factor meaning, okay life is better there or pulled factor because we see on social networks cleanly and rising antisemite Gregory, including vandalizing synagogues and other events all the world than we are all aware of it. You'll definitely we're. Sushi if you met a young American Jew for example and I think many of the songs called no suggestion young. American jobs essentially say Israel means nothing to me. It's far away. I have no connections Israel. What would be your short speech today? Young person about why. Israel should matter to this young person five thousand miles away today why? When so that's a beautiful question because when I meet many people who were struck by little? Kindling all of a sudden when they landed here, they felt at home in something inexplicable, but all in all I would say that you know we all the nation state of the Jewish people. We are a fountain of strength and resilience and culture and knowledge of the Jewish people. Yes, we have many issues. Many problems many challenges many things to debate, but you feel at home. It's the state of the Jews in any joys. Welcome here to. To be pardoned, possible this saga or at least feel like that he has she has a safe haven to be there at any given moment, and I think this gives a sense of confidence in relaxation for people, even if they have doing citizenship or even if they have just getting to know the country, Sunday see that this is their land. This is the place to be around the world, if need be Oh if they want to be. So I want to express huge saints. Tabuchi for taking the time and I think for helping to widen deepen that rich. That must remain between Israel the aspe- especially. Israel American jewelry. We had AJC. Always been three core principles because you mentioned one of his style love of Israel the second is hot. One people. We are one people we may express our Jewish identity, multiple ways also inherent to who we are, but at the end of the day when people and the notion of other beam says. That, we are all responsible one for the other I think you, so this expressed by Hoochie from start to finish the day I all work of the Jewish Agency, the soft move and white we HAC cherish this partnership with the Jewish Agency, because we have so many so many pressing and overlapping goals, so thank you to you for being with us. Being our partner of roasting made, it was a huge pleasure, really huge pleasure on. Now. It's time for our closing segment Chabad table, talk and joining us at our table. This week is Julie Raymond AJC, deputy director of policy and diplomatic. Affairs Julie when you're talking with your family and friends at your table this weekend. What are you going to be talking about? We're talking about racism. How could we be talking about anything else? But because it's Chabad and because frankly I think we all need it. I WanNa talk about the light at the end of the tunnel, and some of the good things that are in fact happening. You may know that this week is the anniversary of the congressional. Caucus on black. Jewish relations which was launched on ABC's Global Forum Stage one year ago. This caucus the brainchild of Detroit Congresswoman Brenda. Lawrence started really small just her Debbie Wasserman Schultz John Lewis, the civil rights icon Lee Zeldin and will heard now. There are more than fifty black Jewish members of Congress from both sides of the aisle and the caucus. The caucus was started in recognition of the rift between blacks Jews while the communities were intertwined for so many years walking arm and arm especially during the civil rights movement in more recent years, officiers emerged. This mission of reuniting blacks and Jews healing. The rift remains primary to the caucus. Important I know you spoke with Lonnie Bunch earlier, and he said it time and time again. This is too difficult a time for blacks Jews to be separated. We had AJC are working hard to make sure that our communities are not separate, and the caucus is doing the same. But what's really amazing now in this moment is that the bipartisan caucus is creating opportunities for much-needed conversations, not just between blacks and Jews, but between Democrats and Republicans about the issue of race, the caucus put out a statement this week. That said in part the death of George. Floyd is nothing less than a modern day. Lynching our country cannot achieve the values of justice for all until we address the structural inequality, an ongoing racism that has long plagued this country. Now this may read like one of a million anti rhesus demons in your twitter feed and don't get me wrong. We should celebrate each and every one of those statements, but it is huge. Remember that these are words being endorsed by Republicans and Democrats alike, and it's not just a one and done statement well heard one of the caucus co chairs, and the only African American Republican in the house was marching in the protests in Houston. Doing what Abraham Joshua Henshaw called praying with his feet. Lease Zeldin another caucus co chair, and one of just two Jewish Republicans in Congress tweeted. The whole country must be united in peacefully standing for Justice for George Floyd and his loved ones. The Caucus statement about George. Flood's tragic killing outlined several tangible steps the need to be taken to address this dramatic racism. They say we need an American public that is educated on the legacy of slavery. Lynching and all forms of injustice in this country. They go on to demand that our justice system. Treat all people the same. The caucus also recently endorsed the no hate act, which is an ATC advocacy priority. This bipartisan bill would improve hate crimes reporting with grants to empower state and local governments train Juan forcement Crete reporting hotlines direct resources to minority communities and conduct public educational forums in exchange for Federal Funds. Agencies would be required to submit hate crimes data to FBI BI. Because currently reporting is a fallen Terry Nichols mandatory, so we really have no idea of the state of hate in our country, the no hate act offers assurances to minority communities that concerns about their safety are counted on a national scale that they are counted. The no hate act was recently passed by the House in the Heroes Act coronavirus stimulus package in AJC's working hard to make sure that it passes both chambers and gets to the president's desk. At a time of really great division amongst people and politicians, this caucus is modeling, unity and healing in pushing real concrete actions to make the changes that our country desperately needs to see. It is those changes in that leadership that I'll be talking about it. Misha about table, Manja. What are you talking about? Well Julie I really do appreciate that. Light at the end of the tunnel. Because I have been overwhelmed this week. Really overwhelmed with grief. The constant bickering on social media, the pictures of the destruction the memories of outrage over Rodney. King and Trayvon Martin. The reminder that this keeps happening and nothing seems to change. It has become painfully clear to me that until we as a nation confront are evil passed in the way Germany, eventually did and try to make amends by fixing our very broken system. I just don't see an end to this. There is so much work left for us to do if we could just get a moment when we're not so overwhelmed with grief. So. There's not much to say at our Shibata table. Well, there's not much to say except their names, a litany of victims whose lives still matter Ahmad. Brianna Taylor George Floyd Eric Garner. Fil Landreau Castille Sterling Liqun McDonald. As you know, the list goes on and on and on. So at our sh- about table this week. We're going to light Chabad candles and we're going to say their names and we're going to hope people will stop shouting at each other. And just listen but thank you. Julie for reminding us that there is a way to get this work. Done Saffy, but will you talking about? While I was thinking this week of an old acidic story bear with me REP, simpler boom of Shiva, the eighteenth century Hasidic master used to tell his students to keep to slips of paper in their pockets on one. You should write the words from Genesis Bishop leany Farrah. How lamb for my sake the world was created, and on the other a teaching from the Talmud on. Afar via a fair. I am but dust and ash. The idea according to the story is that when you feel depressed, you should reach into that first pocket and pull out that I slip of paper. The reminder that the world was created for you couldn't help but lift your spirits. And when you get arrogant, you should reach into the other pocket to be reminded that you are nothing but Dustin. Ash. I was thinking about this story this week. Because the idea behind ribs simpler Bonham's advice about the to slips of paper is that each of those verses apply to all of us? I was thinking about this story this week. Because what right does any one of us have then in God's eyes to kill someone when we are but dust and ash, and they they are the reason why God himself created the world. Now that may seem facile to some of you. We as a society vested in some people, the legitimate use of force, but we as a society cannot change the immutable belief that human beings were created, as it is also written in Genesis, but sell them L. Akeem in the image of God. Trayvon Martin was created in the image of God. For his sake. The world was created. Eric Garner was created in the image of God for his sake. The world was created. Michael Brown was created in the image of God for his sake. The world was created. Brianna Taylor was created in the image of God for her sake. The world was created Ahmad. Barberie was created in the image of God for his sake. The world was created. George Floyd was created in the image of God for his sake. The world was created. May Their memories be a blessing, an inspiration to all of us, who after all are nothing, but dust and ashes to do whatever we can possibly do to fix the terrible evil in our society. Show Bochum Sobat botulism, but thank you. 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Trumps Bread and Butter

The Charlie Kirk Show

36:15 min | 11 months ago

Trumps Bread and Butter

"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one production available on Apple. PODCASTS and podcasts one today on the Charlie Kirk Show we explain why public support for impeachment is falling off a cliff. We talk about white. Democrats can't walk and Chew Gum at the same time. President trump is winning the battle for swing swing voters and finally Holcombe delivers sweeping electoral wins for democracy and freedom. We got a great show in store for you before we get started. A lot of you are not yet. Subscribe to the Charlie Kirk. Show so pick up your phone. Go to your podcast provider type in Charlie Kirk show make your subscribed. Didn't one friend of you the same help us. Surge the charts this Thanksgiving weekend. We are fighting for freedom on the front lines every single day. We got a great show in store for you. Buckle up this is Charlie Kirk coast to the Charlie Kirk show. Your whole conservative Libertarian. Rational thinking here we generally. What you've done is incredible here? Maybe Charlie Kirk on the college campus. Won't you know we are lucky. The have Charlie Charlie running the White House. I WANNA thank Joe. He's an incredible guy his spirit his love of this country. He's done an amazing job job building one of the most powerful youth organisations ever created turning point. USA He will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries destroyed lives lives and we are going to fight for freedom campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Hi everybody I hope. You're enjoying your Thanksgiving week. There is so much to be thankful for. We like to say quite often on the Charlie Kirk show. You should be thankful not bitter that you live in the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world but while I hope you're enjoying yourself and seeing some family or maybe wrapping up some work We are here at Charlie. Kirk show on the front lines of America's culture war the front lines of the political battle for the soul of America. And we're here to interpret some of the news that I'm sure a lot of you are going to be hearing around your Thanksgiving table. We're going to give you the truth straight up and we. We are going to dive into the stories in ways that the media refuses to do so the first thing we want to start with is how the public support for impeachment falls off a cliff and is just boring. I mean I've had so many people that are non-political friends and family and they say Charlie might missing something or is this just over the top boring. I said no no. It's very boring and equally confusing. And it's the Democrats had these long almost soap opera style. charades where they had. You know the deep state murder on the orient-express crew where they paraded them in front of Cable Television They had vin men. They had a Marie Ivanovich. They had all these people that never actually were witnesses businesses to what happened but they were playing the game of telephone and overheard things. And how you're GONNA impeach a president behind that is astounding to me. So here's one of your talking points that you can in use around the Thanksgiving table with your family and your friends. This was a pre meditated impeachment against the president of the United States fact. This impeachment idea began eighteen minutes after president. Donald Trump was inaugurated in the Washington. Post where they said quote the case for impeaching. Donald Trump. Now begins Mollie. Hemingway in the federal suit is such a great job by the way she said this. How Republicans one phase one of impeachment? She said the following and I quote the first phase of impeachment did not go well for Democrats and needed to be a time when support for the inquiry and impeachment grew instead. It shrank and quote the some really interesting polling to reflect this. Yes and it's from Emerson polling. It says support for impeachment flipped from forty eight percent in support with forty four percent opposing an October impeachment support. It was ahead by four percent now forty five percent opposed and forty three percent and support opposition for impeachment. Now ahead by two percent a net six percent shift but but again we have to break down these polls beyond the top headline in national numbers. And I'm going to do that in an add. Some context that I think is really needed here especially with this new Marquette University Law School poll and hang tight before I get into it because after mine back injury I know a hardest to stay in shape. It's more than just losing weight. It's a whole holistic lifestyle. It's not just about working out. It's not just about waking early going for that morning run. 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If you want were all strapped for time but neum just asks you to commit to ten minutes a day for for yourself your human if you go off track there's no shaming. So here's what you do. Go to NEUM DOT COM slash. Charlie that's an show 'em dot com slash. Charlie you'll chattel your goal specialists a-list and Neum community to get and give help to people that are going to the exact same thing. You're human if you go off track. There's no shaming just tips to help you get back on tra- that's it's new dot com slash Charlie and m dot com slash Charlie. This Marquette University law. School poll found something. So remarkable arkell found the following but only forty percent of registered voters in the swing state of Wisconsin think that trump should be impeached and removed from office. Fifty three percent. Do not think so. So so here's the amazing insight here. Impeachment has become a wedge issue in favor of President. Donald Trump especially in the critical state of Wisconsin and Wisconsin. Johnson actually might be the bellwether state if you come from the presumption that President Donald Trump will struggle to win Michigan and Pennsylvania. Might not struggle is the right word right but there could be very competitive but he will probably win Ohio Iowa North Carolina or Florida. In fact he has to win. Those states and Arizona will the way. The electoral map works in order to get to two eight hundred seventy electoral votes. Wisconsin would bring him over the top. You might remember back in two thousand sixteen president. Donald Trump won Wisconsin Michigan Pennsylvania and a singular electoral vote in in Maine which brought him way higher than people thought he actually broke the three hundred electoral vote threshold. Something that people thought was nearly impossible but now in the key. State of Wisconsin impeachment is now a wedge issue against the Democrats fifty three percent of voters in Wisconsin. Do not think he should be impeached and removed from office so amazingly early that his these impeachments numbers are actually higher than some of his poll approval. Numbers which means that people might say. I don't like the guy but why don't you. He just beat him next November in an ironic twist of events impeachment might actually be contributing the president trump becoming more popular in these key states. In fact as president trump does more rallies and goes out does and communicates the American people. He's going to win more voters over by talking about the outrage and the injustice and the double standard of this ridiculous and Asinine impeachment process so basically on Mollie. Hemingway talked a little bit about this. About how the impeachment flipped lipped but the Marquette University Law School Puhl showed that it's underwater by thirteen points. It's amazing and by independence are the key according to Emerson. Currently the forty nine percent of independence oppose impeachment while only thirty four percent supported so among independents impeachment underwater by fifteen points. This goes back to one of our big points that I'm making on the Charlie Kirk show and one of the big kind of thesis is that impeachment is now in electoral winner for president trump. Not Loser impeachment would usually be a US this way to try to sink the approval rating of the opposing party. People are so against impeachment. This will actually contribute to his rising approval ratings. The smyth be really tough news for the coastal elites the people that are in the Malibu or Manhattan demographic. I always like to say that the Democrats are becoming the party of wine slippers. Zippers and the Republican Party has become the Party of beer drinkers. There's a lot more beer drinkers than wine suffers in this country. Let me tell you what but guess. What the impeachment sham is failing And there's a pretty pretty solid analysis from the Great Tucker Carlson over at Fox News specifically regarding independent voters. He says the following quote independent voters were asked to rank eleven issues in order of their importance. First on the list was fiscal health. Seventy four percent of independent voters said that the budget deficit was their main concern. Seventy two percents. That healthcare was their main concern. Certain seventy percents that infrastructure pretty conventional impeachment. That came in dead last eleven out of eleven. Only thirty seven percent of independence thought it was a priority at all the margin of three to one and that is hilarious. Independent said that peach was more important politicians than to the media that was them and turn crossing continues which I think is one one of the most important points and he says the following. This is what happens when you let Jeff Zucker. WHO'S ETTA CNN? Run Your political party you start to imagine at CNN's Primetime lineup somehow speaks for America. ARCA rather than for a tiny out of touch little part of it and quote so tucker hits it perfectly here which is there are simultaneous confirmation bias platforms happening in our country. And I think it's so important kind of on our team. We always like to say twitter is not real life and you have to remember cable. News is not even real life. I mean even Fox News which is an amazing platform that I'm honored to be able to go on and I'm very appreciative. Thankful for that platform they will at the top reach five or six million people. I really know heavily watched night. That's not even a majority of the country where our country three hundred and forty million people were a country where one hundred million people will vote and the two thousand twenty electra in more than one hundred million people will vote and CNN. They might get a couple hundred thousand viewers on a good time and maybe a million viewers if they're really lucky but look the bottom line. Is People stop watching these impeachment hearings. They stopped caring. Only about ten million people were paying attention to the impeachment. Hearings and paying attention is like a really loose term. What is paying attention even neat meet that you had an under the background while you're doing your job paying attention? People are not locked into this like they were in the cavenaugh hearing so here. Here's the big question that I have. I have a very very big question question about the difference between the left and the right and it's a point that no one has answered and I sent a tweet about it this last weekend. But I'll say two questions and I'll do the other other one in just one second with the first question is what was more watched the cavanaugh hearings or the impeachment hearings. The cavenaugh hearings were way more. Watch why well first of all failing a Supreme Court vacancy has much actual longer-term implications then believe it or not even the impeachment of president of the United States. Because if you impeach the President I mean the assist basically stays in place the vice president who ran as a ticket with him will take the presidency. There's an assumption around that there's not much movement but a supreme court nominee any that's culture. That is huge trajectory changing policy and personnel. Not to mention all the nonsense of accusations around Justice Brett Cavanaugh and all around. I have another question around the impeachment hearings and the main difference between the left and the right and this is the argument that all of you guys is needs us against your liberal answer liberal uncles or liberal brothers or leftist parents. It's the single question that can show you conservatives. Have the moral high ground in America. But I I'm sure your feet are hurting. 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Confirmation hearings he was interrupted over two hundred times. I with two hundred people arrested and during the fake impeachment hearings against Donald Trump is not one conservative that interrupted interrupted or protested during any of the testimonies. Why is that and you're trying to tell me that? Donald Trump is the one that is dividing America. You're trying to tell tell me that. Democrats are the ones that are trying to heal us. You're trying to tell me that conservatives are the ones that are tearing America apart from the scenes. You're the one I mean. The media is trying to tell tell us that Donald Trump is a unprecedented frets republic. Donald Trump is the one that is tearing apart this country. I can't even have my children watching by the way I am so sick and tired of hearing this argument I heard someone in the grocery store the other day. I overheard them and they said I just. I just can't have the news on. I have my kids. My teenage kids listen to this president and and I laugh. I say all the left has done. My entire life is Rob Children of innocence. That's all the left has done. And all of a sudden they're worried that president tweets a little bit too much or might use some swear words here and there from doing sex education for nine year olds or having drag Queen Child storytelling our whatever they call it trial mild drag queen storytelling. Our all the left does is rob people of their innocence. That's all they do and now they're letting kids they say that kids have to choose their own gender kids live in a perpetual state of confusion. They don't wake up on time. They abdicate responsibility. And that's okay you get older and you have more responsibility you get more mature and yet the singular thing that gets people most upset Malibu Manhattan in West. La In and in Greenwich Connecticut. The thing that gets the suburban soccer. Mom I'm so fired. Up is his tone. I can't let my kids listen to this present. Meanwhile they send their kids to public schools where teachers are glorifying. And Hyper sexualizing. Our culture. Where kids as young as eight nine years old? Are we watching graphic pornography where the language on network television is as as horrible. As as I've ever seen it and kids are playing unbelievably graphic violent video games and very very young age. And I'm not. I'm not inherently against video games. I'm not making that argument. I'm just saying Oh Barack has done in. Our Culture is Rob Children of innocence. And now I have to hear the argument from these left now. These newly found liberal suburban soccer moms who are basically the ones that are pushing forth this argument. They're basically the people that are the most Let's just say vocal around around the fact that Donald Trump's tone is so unacceptable yet. They are silent when Palestine high school which is right down the street from where I went to high school. I went to Wheeling High School district to fourteen and right down the street and Palatine High School in two eleven. They have now decided in that school district that a man who thinks he has a woman canal. Go into the women's locker room. In fact I WANNA play sound of this young lady in a daily Herald interview. Daily Herald is the local paper for the Chicago suburbs. I used to read it almost almost every morning in highschool for mostly the coverage of the Chicago suburbs high school sports coverage just because it was kind of fun to read about yourself in the paper the next day but the daily Herald did unbelievable video. I saw it on twitter. Where they they see this man who thinks he's a woman and of course we shove love and empathy and respect for this individual and their dignity however that does not mean you uproots or societal norms and rob women of their privacy and their capacity to be able to be with other women in the locker room so one man who thinks he's a woman could go into that locker room under the auspices of as the ACLU civil rights? Let's play that tape. And I'm I'm really hoping they vote for It's going to be a step forward Gordon Progress I'm I'm really excited if they vote for it A bit nervous though as Soa's just you never know no but it's definitely for step forward in in many more stops It's a great policy Unfortunately it's not everything and we want such as talking about even even less hall things like changing the name on your student. ID which are required to wear at all times So I'm really hoping that the district makes the right decision here votes. Pass it pass and I was making appeal and now oh I'm ecstatic. Just take uncomfortable that My privacy is being invaded as I am. The summer I do Change Multiple Times committed in front of the other students in the locker and speaking I I understand that sport has an obligation to all students talk about this in a different way that would also comedy central and so where are the people that are so worried about the president's tone tone that are speaking out about the fact that now men think they are women. Go go into locker rooms in Palatine high school so this is the question must ask your liberal relatives and leftist relatives where airworthy protesters. And why were the protesters treated like heroes by the media and why conservative groups insanity protesters the decency and respect for even the process assessed that the left does not deserve to let this process. Play out. It's because conservatives have the moral high ground in today's political times it's because there is no conservative urban antiga they're not conservative. Going around wearing Maga- hats bashing leftists in the face where people like myself get death threats. And people like Ben Shapiro. And so many other Steven crowder and Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity have to walk around with armed guards. The reason is because they are the violence and the outrage on the left that is normalized and when people interrupt like they did in the cabinet hearings and for those that don't remember it was one interruption after the other interruption. After interruption. After interruption after interruption it was over two hundred of them not to mention the protesters that were storming the elevators and confronting senators and bullying their way into the Senate office buildings things and yet not once during this entire peach mint hysteria. Do you see conservatives walking through the halls and what the answer that question is and by the way for those of you that ever ask questions. WHO's a really good rule? Never asked a question that you don't know the answer to just a nice little rule of thumb. Do you know what the answer to. That question is most conservatives. Were at work we were working. We don't have time to go protest and flood the Senate the Hart Senate Office Building. I say that somewhat sarcastically in facetiously but more specifically we as conservatives a whole ourselves to a much higher moral standard and we police our own bar better than the left and the media are the worst this the media are gatekeepers that validate their extremism stream ism that reinforce the worst aspects of the left wing movement and normalize it from Antifa to people dachshund individuals and still to this day. Zero people have been arrested for the assault of Andy no in the streets of Portland a day journalist who was just doing his job and reporting and yet zero people have been arrested from it so to kind of tie this altogether. There is only one person who's actually been able to make entertainment out of this impeachment mess and that person is the president of the United States President Donald Trump at his famous Turkey. Pardon he made light of this entire impeachment sham. I laughed. I thought it was very very funny. It was very well put together. Play tape thankfully. bread-and-butter has been specially raised by the Jacksons to remain calm under under any condition which will be very important because they've already receive subpoenas to appear in Adam shifts basement on Thursday through hundreds of people. Have it seems the Democrats are accusing me of being too soft Turkey. But bread-and-butter I should note that unlike previous witnesses you and I have actually actually met. It's very unusual very unusual in any the event. I expect this part and we'll be very popular. One with the media after all Turkeys are closely related to a vultures. I don't know if I like deadline but there is a little true student today. After the birds will retire to Gablers rest at Virginia Tech. There's the president of course being himself and he's just making a joke of Adam schefter. My favorite line is he's I've actually me and the Turkey of spent far more time together than some of these witnesses witnesses that they parade together on Capitol Hill. It's a total outrage. This impeachment champ is deteriorating in front of our very eyes. Hold your ground. This thanksgiving when people try. Try to save this. President should be impeached. Ask them this question. Can you cite the specific. US Criminal Code that President Trump has violated and if so why have the Democrats not introduced. I any sort of conversation around the specific criminal code not this Innuendo not. This open worded hyperbole of bribery. And oh he's he's shaking people down or quid would pro quo show me the. US Criminal Code you broke specifically you can't point to it because he did. President trump did nothing wrong. The only thing ever did was make people's lives better including your liberal liberal aunt who still hates the press. The United States is going to try to convince you of it but you can wink and nod and say well at least your life is better even thanks to President that you say that you hate. Hey guys I'm sure sure. A lot of you are going to have that beautiful Thanksgiving meal than lineup around to get some deal For Black Friday. But there's no need to go crazy I'm Linden. You know ahead of time about an amazing black Friday cyber Monday deal something. You're actually gonNA use not something that you're GonNa buy. Forget about it's called wireless ear. Buds are headphones from Rakhine. 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You'll have to check them out on the site that's by rakhine dot com slash Kirk. Kiro to get an amazing black Friday deal on recons by raytheon dot com slash Kirk. So can Democrats walk and Chew Gum at the same time. It sure seems that as a new talking point from the left that we can impeach the president we can also pass laws that matter Fox News asked me to dictate my piece so that it could be aired on Fox News Radio. I actually wrote a piece all about this about how Democrats can't walk and Chew Gum at the same time. It has gotten really good play. It was number one on Fox News Dot Com on. And it's all around this whole this kind of this euphemism. If you will that you can walk and Chew Gum. We do two things at once. Why debunk in this piece? So as every Democrat candidate says this phrase I I again I don't ever WanNa hear this again. It's just so overdone. They assured that they could advance the country's agenda while in the middle of an impeachment But like as if not putting the country to an impeachment proceeding isn't big enough deal will they can't do both. And now we have proof one such policy in one. Such example is the United States Mexico. Canada Trade Agreement the US MCA according to the International Trade Commission. That trilateral trade deal with boost our economy by a whopping sixty eight point. Two billion dollars while creating one hundred seventy six thousand new jobs jobs across the country now Pelosi says there might not be time to approve the US MCA before the end of the year. Even if she accepted a deal given a golden opportunity to prove that they could quote walk and Chew Gum at the same sometime Democrats have let this vital relation languish while they indulge their impeachment of session and Still Democrats are doubling down breaking today house. Judiciary Committee schedules their first impeachment. Hearing for December fourth witnesses will be legal experts on. My Gosh is going to be a mess. We also saw what looked like it was going to be a Democrat defection only to see Rep Brenda Lawrence Democrat from Michigan. Flip back and resume her support for impeaching trump. This all kinds of ties together with I said earlier. That president trump is becoming more popular during this impeachment. Nonsense Johnson and guess what The New York Times. That's right The New York Times has come in to reinforce this point. According to New York Times they had this piece that said they voted Democrat. Now they support trump and I highlighted one part. That's really important that two thirds of battleground state voters who chose trump a twenty sixteen but select the Democrats and midterms say they will will return to the president next year. This is massive. So I want you to read into this. But does not these people that supported President Trump and sixteen that they've pulled and it also voted for Democrats in eighteen meaner coming back that means that when president trump did really really well in states like Missouri and Indiana and Republicans have really well in Ohio. That shows that president trump's rust belt base is as strong as ever and look Democrats would be freaking out about this and understand that war and Sanders Harris and even radical mayor. Pete people to judge are no moderates Biden has even been pulled far to the left where he used to be but his durability top spot I mean it's been somewhat impressive given how weak the front runner he is but he can't be a front runner in states. Like Iowa New Hampshire. He's third or fourth at Bassey's already lowering expectations there. This is a great quote from voter that I fully represents the the typical midwest swing voter the worker. Who has the shower after work I say that a lot. I think the Republican Party has to be the party of people that shower after work. A Michael towns towns in thirty eight high school educated construction worker and done more. Pennsylvania was a lifelong Democrat until he voted for Donald. Trump is what he said. Here's Michael set quote in the last couple of years. The Democrats had kind of been losing the work and I thought trump might get us that work he said and be honest of construction. Twenty one years and the last years of the best years I've ever had and quote. He voted for Democrat in the midterms because he liked the ideas. On less polarizing local issues like veteran affairs and opiates while he said that the Republicans to focus on Washington politics he had been intrigued by Bernie Sanders. But he'll probably be back to Mr Trump again. He said everybody that right. There is a New York Times making a microcosm argument for the millions of middle class awesome Africans that are not part of the wind sipping group Malibu in Manhattan. But they're part of the folks at shower after work the people that are much more likely to have a beer and not wine and and they are the backbone of our country. The People in Missouri Montana Michigan the states that President Trump won so convincingly and guess what the Metropolitan Coastal Agenda is not going to work in the battleground states that matter. But I've always been a contrarian do not get too confident. Do not get too confident. President trump despite doing very well in this all kind of setting up nicely for his reelection. I believe that the Democrats are gonNA have plenty of secret weapons to come out the New York Times Washington Washington Post Beltway Alliance. They are very desperate. They're into everything they can to go after trump supporters that everything they can to go after the president not to mention. Do not do not underestimate voter. Voter Fraud Do not underestimate what the left will do. As I have said there are more socialists out there that I think we give credit for there are more people on the radical far left that we give credit for and if they a nominated. You left this. We're GONNA have to fight like hell to make sure that they do not win. One other store. I just wanted to talk about something that we have been focusing on a little bit here and there on the Charlie Kirk show is Hong Kong Something truly historic is happening in Hong Kong. After this weekend we have quantifiable proof that these freedom fighters are making a difference. Hong Kong delivered sweeping electoral wins wins for democracy and freedom. Take that Chinese Communist Party. America's greatest enemy Hong Kong's protests started June against plans to allow extradition to mainland England. China critics fear that this could undermine judicial independence and endanger dissonance until nineteen ninety-seven Hong Kong was ruled by Britain as a colony but then returned to China. We've done a whole show on Hong Kong on the trolley Kirk. Show go back through your archives. Make sure you press download an episode. Go back wait a great episode Hong Kong. We went into the whole history of it. What do that right now? The bill was withdrawn September but demonstrations have continued and now demand full democracy. An inquiry into police actions a clashes between police. Jason activists have become increasingly violent with police. Firing live bullets and protesters attacking officers and throwing petrol bombs. So where do we stand today. A recent district elections in Hong Hongkong so the freedom fighting pro-democratic protesters securing a decisive landslide. Victory according to local media count seventeen. Eighteen councils are now controlled by pro democracy. Macher Assi Counselors. That's they call them. Pro Democracy candidates have secured a clear majority with more than three hundred at a four hundred fifty two seats compared to forty one seats for the pro establishment camp according to local media estimates four years ago at the previous polls pro democracy candidates only secured around one hundred seats. This is a disaster for Beijing. But here's an interesting. These Hong Kong protesters are flooding the streets waiting American flags and burning communist flags. Meanwhile when I go visit campuses for turning point. USA left-wing Democrat Protectors esters are in the street waiting communist flex and burning American wants Hong Kong. Protesters represent a desire for freedom and democracy. We have to stand with the people of Hong Kong. We have apt to stand with the people that want freedom that want liberty that wants the protection of the individual and they want to preserve constitutional values. All Congress are being attack mistreat by police yet. Left wing TEPA rioters attacking police here in America. I could go on and on and on Hong Kongers Yearning for the protection of the Second Amendment. left-wing left wing Democrat. Riders are trying to balance the second amendment bottom line. I would trade these Hong Kong freedom fighters for the entitled violent and teeth of thugs that we see in in our streets any day of the week and enclosing Elizabeth Warren's national poll numbers take a nosedive. It's kind of funny when people learned that you're actually Marxists. They might not want to support you this from Bloomberg Number News not from Mike Bloomberg the presidential candidate quote the former vice president has retaken the top spot in the Quinnipiac University national poll. A twenty four percent support among Democrats and Democratic Radic leaning independence up from twenty one percent in October twenty four twenty a pack poll when Lawrence Warren led with twenty eight percent in the November survey warned was down fourteen points. The fourteen percent typically tied with Bernie Sanders. MP Boot Edge. Wow that is a massive drop. This is what happens when you lie about seven different things in your background and refused to say how you will pay for stuff. Warren reminds reminds me of that team that the total underdog memo's people counted her out after the DNA debacle but that somehow show they get ahead and they show up at halftime and then they lose because because they play prevent defense the entire rest of the game she has been her own. Worst enemy polling also shows her losing president. Donald trump in key battleground states such as Florida. Democrats this election cycle are repeatedly telling pollsters and pundits that they don't so much to fall in love with the candidate like they did in two thousand eight with Brock Obama they just want one. That isn't Donald Trump. They will take elective almost above anything else. If you show weakness and that you're in trouble look we know the left and there were able to predict them. This Democrat primary is GonNa get really really bloody metaphorically really soon I mean this is going to be a civil war. The likes of which we've never seen. There's no clear front runner their front runner. Joe Biden is not even the top two or three in Iowa and New Hampshire people to judge which is the most unimpressive political. Your that I have seen in quite some time. The guy's a small town mayor and couldn't even get elected as the head out of the Democrat National Committee. People say isn't he's so charismatic. I don't see it but I'm not a Democrat and I'm not a left winger and I actually want America to succeed so if you're those things maybe you find inspiration and Pete boot at judge talk about how horrible the country America is but as things progress watch out for Mike Bloomberg who can throw a real boomerang into this race thirty million dollars in some of the bigger states that are very expensive media markets and the fact that he's dismissing the first four states. I actually think we'll see if it we'll see if it ends up working he's GonNa try to run against the media. I want the Democrats adds to start to get aggressive with the Democrats start to go after each other. They just play Nice. It was one big bear hug this last Democrat debate the MSNBC will please tell US Senator Elizabeth Warren. How great of a person do you think you are? D- President with the questions were absolutely ridiculous. One final final thing more make America great again news. 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Episode 430: Another Rorschach Test

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Episode 430: Another Rorschach Test

"Hey, guys, I'm getting really know go, and I'm one Camilo size. And we're here for less podcast network. Our show is Sandra is a weekly Spanish podcast where each week we talk about Hispanic true crime serial killer, supernatural folklore and Walter met. Gather icon, the cool thing about this show is that it's not just for native speakers. But also for anyone who wants to learn or brush up on this Spanish, if you go to last pockets network dot com and click on ES scripts you'll find scripts to our shows the transcript is not a direct translation to show since we improvise a fair amount here and there, but the narrative is as close as it gets a promise. Most of those sober better or Lopez over we know Sandy's Ritchie Valent sacrificial models arrear, Selena your Landa thirties. Spanners and Mahyco Columbia, Peru. Sponge, Brazil thirty. Ricco? So if you want to hear about lie your on whine about ask pop star, Gloria heavy and her time in a sex co what is the show for you? You can find all the episodes that I tune south cloud or go to last podcast network dot com. Under shows slow shows socal gas use by. The word go. On the shame. Shame. It's a Lincoln top hat hosted by Ben Kissel. Boom. We can't get fooled again. Hey, what's up everyone? How you doing? This has been Kissel with you. You might also hear Travis MorningStar. Yes. I'm on a new medication colloquially known as the stage fright drug. So I might fuck around and do some operational comedy for my God. Well, please get off the medication. All right. Everyone will thank you so much for joining today. We have a bunch of stuff to get to the first thing I want to say recommend a documentary series. This is called Flint town, Flint town, it is really a powerful documentary series. It focuses on law enforcement in Flint, Michigan, and it shows sort of both sides of what law enforcement deals with. So you'll be watching the documentary and you'll say I sympathize with some of the struggles there's only ninety eight officers for the entire town of Flint extremely difficult to navigate crime is rampant and it is a dangerous job. So you do sympathize with the officers when it comes to them putting themselves in harm's way. And I understand it's extremely brutal. It's. Brutal hours. It's a horrible job in many ways. You don't even get that much cash for it. So I have empathy and sympathy for the officers when it comes to them putting their lives on the line. But then you also kind of see the flip side of that. After a new sheriff comes to town. I'm not going to ruin this. Because apparently on side stories, we talked about Lorraine a- the lorraina documentary, and some people said you spoil debt, and I'm like, it's a twenty six year old Lorena Bobbitt story. It literally is twenty six years old. I don't know. Like, I didn't we didn't spoil it. Everyone knows this story. It is it's old enough. It's five years. It can be it has been drinking for five years twenty six years old anyway, don't wanna ruin it. But at one point there's a sheriff that takes over a new sheriff in town, although he's actually part of the old guard and Flint again becomes much more aggressive sort of broken windows would Juliani did here in New York City. So then you start seeing a lot of unwarranted traffic stops, basically throw the book at him, whatever. And if you ever read the book to as day or if you've ever. Just looked at the statutes in this country. Everything is a legal. I Jay walked at least three times today. God knows what else I've done a legal today. Pine is probably illegal often is a legal illegal in some way, in some way. I'm sure though puffins. No being I am not illegal. I've never done anything wrong on the cutest little dog. Will why did you have to flee South Korea did run a small gang? Yes. I ran small gang in South Korea. But that's not why they sent me to where his sent me to mirror me. I didn't do nothing wrong. Then look at these. Hey, I can't even hold a knife. Good point puffins. You just you just one cross examination. I know you never did anything wrong. You're the best dog in the world. I am truly freaked out right now. I know that's my relationship with my dog, the the most well, that's not the most significant relationship I have, but it's a really significant relationship. So they get a new guard in their old guard actually new sheriff and he's been around for a while. And then they start stopping people for now wearing seat belts, not having their blinkers on whatever. And they're looking for drugs and looking for. Guns. And oftentimes they find nothing they show. They the clips that they do show of not finding anything when they don't find anything in those clips are like, okay, you're free to go. I wonder what would happen if the cameras weren't there. But then you also see this footage of them watching the day after the Philander Castille shooting. I believe it was Geronimo Janas. I think was the name of the guy the officer that shot him there watching that footage and their reaction when seeing that footage. Of course, you know, Falana was bleeding out his child screaming in the backseat. His girlfriend is like this is crazy, please don't die. She's in tears, everyone that watched that was like something wrong happened. I think the officer overreacted the man does have a concealing care license. The officer asked him to get his ide- seem like that's what he was doing the officer was like acting as if he was on crystal methamphetamine ICP concert. He just he just kept on yelling the effort. Over and over lane far cry in the moment, he really was. He was super into it. And so I'm watching that footage of Mike. Okay. There's no way that these officers can say that this is a justified shooting, but given their experience they say the first thing they asked was why was she filming? And it's like she was filming because she didn't want to get shot. That's why she was filming. And the second thing is when the news report came out there like, oh, he did have a concealed carry license. However, they found some marijuana in the car all of the cops faces were like, yeah. Well, well, you see and it's like marijuana possession is not a death penalty case. So no matter what. So it is a really interesting documentary. And I highly recommend you check it out. It's Flint town, and the mayor and the governor governor Snyder there, they should have all been arrested. They poisoned in entire town. You know, it reminds me and people are dying because of it and they're gonna have lifelong injuries and lifelong medical. Dishes. Even they say it goes on for three generations lead poisoning. So this is going to be a long process to try to cure these people. And it reminds me of what I'm sure Riki. Oh did. I mean, it just searing gas. It's a little bit quicker. Sure. But the outcome is the same. I think they should have all been prosecuted, and they should all change in the water supply from lake Huron to a finally polluted water supply one day a policy decision. One day changes the lives creates a legacy of pain. It's horrible. It's horrible. So check out the documentary Flint town, I highly recommend it and you'll be screaming at the screen sometimes. But it just gives you some good insight as to what the job of a police officer isn't a little insight into what how their minds work, and it is it is different than civilians mine. So that is for sure they are openly militant specifically towards the end of that docu series. And it's quite interesting. All right. So let's see other things to get to. And we'll talk. Very briefly about Roger stone. So Roger stone. I guess moron is like just an old in old out of touch idiot. He goes to the judge. He gets a sweet little deal. You know? She's like all right, bro. You can go out, and you can even talk to the news media. She's like, I I'm giving you a small gag order. Obviously, you know with the seven count indictment coming for Muller. I'm giving you a small gag order. Just don't speak around the court don't be a total jackass, and it'll all be good. Lil another old man on social media. Not understanding that it is goes everywhere. It goes over. It's not like a private little thing between your followers and friends. So this dumb ass puts a picture of the judge calls. It a sham trial all this stuff. And if that wasn't bad enough there was what looked to be a small sort of target next to the judges had. I've seen some reports where it's like it was over the judges head. But it was not it was just kind of to the side or it was dissolved EAC symbol reference. Odia? Ted Cruz is father could be sure. So anyway, he gets blasted for that. And he's like, oh, my God have made a mistake. So then he takes down the picture crops out target is puts the same thing. I really don't think the target is even the biggest problem here. I think it's you openly criticizing the judge of your case. I am not a genius. And I'm not a lawyer. But it just seems to me like be nice to the judge. It just seemed if I am a defendant facing serious serious time in prison. I think I would just be sending cookies. Yeah. I would be like, it's Valentine's Day. And who did I think of I you judge. I love you so much. Here's a wonderful sayings singing flowers, proclaiming my love for you. He did not go that route. Instead, he went the public attention route thinking that somehow the that that's gonna make this oath e-eh trickle that the trial itself won't be real. But my friend it Israel. It's quite real you are in a federal courtroom. So because of that the judge said, all right? He the judge. She was actually still nicer than I think a lot of judges would. She said, okay, bud. We'll let you go. Again, you do it again. You're you're you're in lockup. But now, you can't do media. You can't do TV. You can't do radio. You can't do print. You can't do anything. Just shut up and was thinking about it. I'm like man that might be worse than prison. Yeah. That might be worse than prison for stone might be worse than jail. Those are some of our favorite places to to talk. It's only on TV, you know. You know, once you get so involved with the inception of television news, and that's all he's done. You know, he thinks of life is a stage, and he's the star of his own theatrical production, and when you start doing that you often forget that the walls and the bars are very real. And the Justice system is extremely real. And they don't really care about your reality show that you have plane in your head. They're just going to see you. It's a person who is now in front of them that is looking at serious serious time. So that's all we'll say about Roger stone when it comes to Robert Muller, just touched on this briefly. Because again, it's going to be Guiliani Rudy Giuliani. And who if we can't trust Rudy who can we trust? I love when he played for Notre Dame and got that second that football game. So Rudy Giuliani is like, yeah, we'll see this thing in about two weeks the mullahs report, and it is possible. And it does seem like the indications are that it will be wrapping up soon, and it is possible that don't show any collusion or anything like that. So when. It comes to Robert Muller. Both sides are already sort of. This will be another war shack test. What will obeys they're going to be some big smoking gun like Donald Trump, literally hung out with Putin to figure out how to win the election. It's not going to be that. We'll see what happens. Bob Barr has said that he's going to release as much as you possibly can ensure the Democrats will be demanding that they release as much stuff as possible, you know, obviously, not classified stuff. This is going to be there's going to be a lot of redacted things. But I would just say the mullahs report will comment on it. When it comes out. They said they wanna make it as simple as possible, they they don't want it to be super long, and they're like, we're just gonna give you the facts and do as you will with them. And of course, politically the spin is going to be totally insane on both sides. Yeah. So we'll say is it going to be the smoking gun that many is this going to be Chinese democracy. Is this convenient axl rose? Yes. The big long much interested. And then if a. That is a great reference. This could be the version of guns N roses latest album that took a decade. Yeah. I really hope. It's not well it's possible and already people are starting to sort of be like, well, even if the mullahs report clears Donald Trump, he's still got the southern district of New York. He's got some other. So the legal troubles will never end for Donald Trump. But he's been a legal trouble his entire life. And of course, we'll wait to see what Michael Cohen says under oath. So that's what's going on as far as the Muller investigation at wanna get to a huge new story here in a second that absolutely nobody has covered. But before we do that. Bernie Sanders has announced will be we'll see if he's able to hold on to that coalition that he was able to coalesce in two thousand sixteen again. I mean, these his I don't want to be just really don't because I think he's brain is all there. But my God, we got some old candidates come in through. And that's fine. You know, it's fine. We've got some young ones too. But we'll be we'll see. If you know, Elizabeth Warren or Cory Booker or to some degree Kamala. But I'm not her father came out because she referenced Kamala Harris fathers, I think he's a Harvard professor or scientist, and he came out and was like don't play politics with your heritage. Because apparently, she's like smoked weed in college because of my Jamaican roots. And he's like that's a little racist. We didn't really raise you that way. So of course, I think she's kind of pandering little too much, and it's hard because she hasn't had the same message over the years like someone like Elizabeth Warren who push comes to shove, no matter what whether you agree with the message or not she she gets to she may be dorky and embarrass, you know, but she, but she's consistent. So we'll see if if Bernie can sort of fend off the other more left-leaning people within the democratic primary and still hold onto that solid base. Of course, we may see something that we saw in two thousand sixteen with the Republicans where maybe burning just needs to get thirty percent and win every prime. Thirty five percent. I think the biggest margin or the most amount of votes that Donald Trump got with thirty five percent ever. I mean, that's and that's one of the risks. You have when you have so many candidates oftentimes, the your second choice will become the first regardless if you want that or not so a staff that's been bandied about on Twitter and stuff, but like within twelve hours Bernie's campaign received over three million dollars worth of. Yup. No. I mean, he's got the money coming in those are people are just like, those are twenty dollar donations. Yeah. No. I I think people are still feeling the burn. I was talking with Marcus about this recently. I'm a little fatigued Ernie because it's like I sort of want to see all new faces. But that's also kind of a problem fatigue, though. And you know, of course, Bernie and Bernie Donald Trump when it comes to their populism. There were some similarities on foreign policy getting getting rid of teepee. That was something that Bernie ran on. Obviously, they have a lot of different. Ideas when it comes will, actually if you listen to to Bernie Sanders rhetoric on immigration. I do not think you would go about it the same way that Donald Trump about to get into an immigration store here in a second. You would not go about it the same way. But he is not particularly liberal this whole idea on or this whole idea that they're open borders. They they want open borders, all that stuff is such nonsense. So who knows maybe Bernie Sanders can peel away some of that support, my friend. Well, no, I'm not going to call in many. So if you're not my enemy, you're my friend, his name is Harlan, and he's a care. He looks like we just watched happy death day to you, which is pretty good. Although the ending I'm not gonna ruin that. I would have made different choices than she made. But that's okay. He looks like baby. Like the big basin, maybe mask. But he's he's a nice guy. But he went from Bernie to Trump, and I'm like, how the hell do you do that? So I was talking to him in the green room, and he did hit on that sort of populace message, and there were a lot of people. I think that went from burning to Donald Trump they went they went with the change candidate students burning was gone done. Donald Trump was the only one left. So who knows maybe burning would be able to peel away some of that support that grassroots populism support different kind of populism populism nonetheless that Donald Trump was able to I think if it from greatly in two thousand and sixteen people wanna go back in time and make that change the course of history, and this is literally their opportunity in time. I believe that was a Conan O'Brien sketch going back in time, and that was thousand I don't know. Yes. That was a I remember that. And they used to do that nineteen ninety eight and I was like, oh my God. What if that's true? And then all we had was late night. Talk shows to watch people who loved comedy and nine eleven and the nine eleven Columbine it ruined everything. All right. So that's what is happening. They are just a real. I mean, you go watch go watch the TV news. If you want to hear more that TV news just circles and circles and circles itself, and I'm like, what is this and nauseam? Anyway. Here's a story that I wanted to get to I have not heard about this story came out February eighteenth of this year. I don't see how this story isn't bigger news. This is from USA today. The headline is emails show. How fake university set up by ice lured foreign students. This was in Detroit in the summer of two thousand seventeen a foreign student in Michigan received an Email from an official at the university of forming ten it was a pleasure speaking with you university official Ali. Malani wrote to the student from India. Thank you for your recent interest in the university of Farmington, a nationally accredited, business and stem, science technology engineering and mathematics institution here at the university of Farmington, we have created an innovative learning environment that combines traditional instruction with fulltime professional experiences. We offer flexible classes and focus on students who do not want to interrupt their careers. So this Email is sent out they're having some interaction. It turns out. This is a bait by ice to capture and theoretically imprison or deport undocumented people who are here without a visa at the bottom of this Email it described the university as quote in nationally accredited institution authorized to enroll international students, but a US department of homeland security, the emails and others like it were obtained. By the Detroit Free Press revealing how the university portrayed itself to potential foreign students the Email exchanges with Alli Malani who is described in his linked in profile as the president of the university of Farmington show at the school in Farmington hills. Michigan may have lured students to enroll in a fake university set up by the department of homeland security. This is shocking, and these are also when we talk about undocumented people when we talk about brain drain folks who come to this country and then have to go back. They come from India Europe, wherever might be when we talk about that we need these people in our country. So now, we have ice fishing for people who are looking to get an education looking to benefit our society looking to do things. A by the books so January thirtieth fed setup a fake university in Michigan to nab undocumented immigrants. This is a Cording again to the USA today article a federal indictment unsealed January thirtieth said that the university was produced by federal agents with an investigative division of US, immigration and customs enforcement. Of course that is commonly known as ice, which is part of the department of homeland security federal agents posed as university officials such as Ali Malani to trick students federal prosecutors allege that more than six hundred students enrolled at the university knew it was improper, but the emails attorneys tell a different story. So federal prosecutors or sitting there be like they enrolled in this fake university. They knew it was fake. I can't believe they committed that crime. And it's like you created the problem you created the trap. You created the fake university to prey on people who are looking. To get an education to make their lives better. So that they can do something great in this country. In addition to the emails federal undercover agents took other steps to manipulate the foreign students, according to public records and attorneys. This is again, the USA today article undercover investigators with department of homeland security registered the university of Farmington with the state of Michigan as university using a fake name at the request of DHS a national accreditation agency listed, the university of Farmington as being credited in order to help deceive perspective students, this is so systemic in crazy, the university was also placed by federal investigators on the website of ice as in university approved by them under a government program for foreign students known as sevice student and exchange visitor program. So if you're a student or if you're a undocumented person in Michigan, you get this Email, and you're like sweet you do your do diligence. You do your background check. And you're like I want to see if this is a real university. They. Set it up so deep they honestly faked being accredited, and they went so far as to say that this is what was improved was approved by ice under the student and exchange visitor program. This fakes this is totally crazy. This is a coding to Amir czar in aging professor of law at the university of Detroit mercy and a spokesman for one of the hundred and forty six students who were detained by. He says it seems quite clear the scheme was set up by the government not to go after legitimate offenders, but to create fear in our immigration system. He goes on to say, they're going after students who who are trying to better their lives because America has the best education. This is who they're choosing to go after it's really disturbing out of the six hundred plus students who were enrolled a hundred and forty six of them have been arrested and detained by ice on civil immigration charges. All are from India except. For Najah Kareem moussaka who's twenty nine of Dearborn heights. Michigan who is Palestinian. So we have a massive problem in this country again with the brain drain. The last thing we need is our government wasting millions of dollars sitting fake universities to trap people who are trying to get an education. I do not understand how this story hasn't been everywhere. MSNBC drops the ball the only show. That's what the only show that. You should listen to the Bill press show. Bill press. Bill press Bill press, I have sling, and I watch my Bill press programs. He always the best people on. I'm also a ninety five year old woman February third India urges US to release foreign students detained by in fake university sting. This is according to czar, he says it really shows a contempt for immigrants. She's not a danger to society, she's not trying to defraud to treat her and others as hardcore criminals is concerning. He goes on to say, they want to create fear, so non white people Brown people don't think of coming to. To America any more. These are reports in Indian American and Indian media outlets such as the American bizarre saying that some of the students were being held in poor condition and not getting vegetarian food in accordance with their religious and cultural beliefs this story to me is just when we think about is. Of course, we had the individual who is detained by ice briefly when they stopped the greyhound bus. This is what this looks like. So when the Democrats are like, you know, I again, I'm like redirect ice minimize it, get them focused on criminals because that's really MS thirteen everyone agrees. Why don't you going after this MS thirteen gang? That's the game that everyone's talking about. They can go after them. I don't think that these guys and gals who are trying to enroll in a university or like next step time for my beaten to the thirteen gang. Go after gang members. Then it is so ludicrous. They're trying to justify. By their own existence. Creating a crime. So that they can keep themselves busy. So then they say look at all we have to do if you don't do that the same thing with Flint town, oftentimes, they were creating the scenario, and I'm like, you just made what they were doing criminal what they were doing was not indeed criminal so on Thursday, four US representatives, including US rep Brenda Lawrence, and that's democrat out of Southfield released. A letter they sent to the day. Jess and expressing quote concerns surrounding the recent undercover operation conducted by US, immigration and customs enforcement homeland security investigations, the Indian government has also expressed concerns in a letter from from its ministry of external affairs. So you know, that story that should just send chills down everyone's spine when the government is just going about. I mean, of course with Donald Trump. It's sort of ironic that there's a fake university or I guess apropos or something. But the fact that the federal government would do that. You have to remember prising. It's not surprising. But unfortunately, it's not that surprising. But this actually did surprise me a little bit. Honestly, the extent that they went to get people to entrap people to try to find people who are undocumented it. It is just absolutely un-american and horrible and total violation of just human rights. We have got to figure out a path to citizenship. We have got to you know, his talking on H L N. That's headline news. They only do the headlines. They don't read any of the story. It was home life network. No, okay. Interesting though, it'd be a good network to and we always talk with some Republican guy about immigration. This is really where I just disagree with the Republican party. And he's talking about the right way to do it. You got to come in the right way in every time. You know, every time a door is open. They slam it shut. And every time a window is open. The nail it shut. There needs to be a path. This path is not does not exist. It's it's full of quicksand. It's nothing but potholes. There is nothing there. There is no path. It takes forever. And it's just totally clunky. I'm not even against a merit based approach. I really am. Not. That's more of a Trump administration thing other than that. It was the lottery, I think merit based approach is fine. And these people would have passed the merit, bro. The merit. I mean, they want in education indication all they want it. Anyway. All right. They got nothing but Trump nothing, but trouble good point Travis. Good point life insurance is one of those topics that everyone knows a little bit about. But do you understand it? Well enough to feel comfortable buying it policy. Genius. Is the easy way to get life insurance in minutes. You can compare quotes from top insurers to find the coverage. You need at a price. You can afford from there. Just apply online and the advisors at policy genius will handle all the red tape. They'll even negotiate your rate with the insurance company, no extra fees, no commission sales agents, just helpful advice. Personalized service and policy genius doesn't just make life insurance easy. Whether you're shopping for disability insurance to protect your income homeowners insurance or auto insurance, they can help you get covered fast. So no matter how much or how little you know, about life insurance. You can find the right policy in minutes at policy genius dot com. Policy. Genius the easy way to compare and buy life insurance. All right. Well, let's move on a little bit of follow up on that story. And I'm gonna see what happens with it. And again, I just don't understand why no one. I haven't heard anyone talking about that. Maybe Bill press. Did I don't know? I haven't watched every show of his just marry Bill press already. I love him. Okay. Another story kind of under the radar here. Donald Trump to sign executive order launching artificial intelligence initiative. President Trump is expected to sign an executive order this past Monday the American or official intelligence initiative. A senior administration official told reporters the initiative outlines bold, decisive actions to ensure that AI continues to be fueled by American ingenuity reflects American values, and is applied for the benefit of the American people aimed at bolstering American leadership in a the the initiative features a multi pronged approach that is category into that is categorized into five pillars, research and development a infrastructure, a governance, workforce and international engagement when asked about. Benefit of AI to the American public, the official emphasized how artificial intelligence is something that touches every aspect of our lives pointed to medical care food production and energy resources. Of course, this is really the most recent this is this is the future fight. You know, this is the future Cold War is the battle for artificial intelligence. The Chinese are crushing it for worse. I would say for better or for worse. I'm going to say straight up for worse. They're living in a surveillance state in worse than we do here in New York City, and I just go around and I count the cameras. That's what I do. I'm looking old, man. I'm like there's a camera. There's a camel I'm like the dog up. But instead of squirrels, I'm looking at cameras. So this is the United States government coming in and saying we can't lose this war to China. They're starting to fund AI development much more which is going to be huge. And I'm sure they're working with the private sector to make that happen. If you ever want those Boston dynamics videos, they are horrifying. They're starting to open doors. They're starting. I mean as soon. And then of course, you got the uncanny valley of when they put the Fe it tends to be a very attractive woman. That's what they're going for like, everyone, everyone looks like Megan Kelly or something which I don't know why they chose that. I mean, I guess I do, but they're like, oh, this is a really sweet woman, and it's like, no peel back the skin. It's like they live, but it's going to happen in real life. Yeah. So that initiative is going on. Now, it's going forward as part of his state of the union address. Trump called for investments in the cutting edge industries of the future and the administration off official fishery underscore the importance of AI in driving these future industries. Okay. So there you go a little bit on that check that stuff out. We'll keep on following what the heck is going on with artificial intelligence. I am personally horrified. But that's just me. Maybe I mean, there's also a lot of good things. No, I wouldn't mind in a doctor. I guess if the robot like really figured it all out and was able to look at my guts and be able to like, I know how to so it up and. Thank you, Dr. And maybe I could change its voice to be like I want an Australian doctor and he'll be like hit Austrailia on his little like beep up machine. And it'd be like, and then he's then he's like crikey. Sterling, I got you pull out your intestine did ask them to act like an Australian just had an I asked him to speak like, I'm just joking. I can't wait to Australia very very soon. All right. So that's a little story also under the radar and another tale that I wanted to talk to you guys about is a disturbing new Bill. This came out. It was this past Tuesday. This is from Gizmodo Gizmodo dot com. Isn't that exciting Gizmodo sort of Gizmo? Of course, the very very cute little fluffer ball disturbing Bill. This is this is the headline disturbing Bill would force Arezzo neans arizonian them to pay two hundred and fifty dollars to have their DNA added to a database. So this is this is demonic in case low salary this. According to the article here in case, low salaries and thankless work weren't enough to keep you from seeking public service job in Arizona. A new Bill. Seeks to force applicants to hand over a sample of their DNA and not just that unbelievable constitutional violation. They are also forcing the applicant to pay two hundred and fifty dollars in a processing fee. This is crazy. The proposed legislation would apply to anyone in Arizona who is required to be fingerprinted for a job Bill fourteen. Seventy five was introduced by Republican state Senator David Livingston, according to the Arizona Republic. It has sparked a modest outcry from local individuals and organizations if passed the Bill would require teachers, please officers child day care workers and many others to submit their DNA samples along with thinner prints to be stored in a database maintained by the department of public safety will the database would be prohibited from storing. Criminal or medical records along with the DNA samples. It would require the samples be accompanied by the person's name social security number data birth and last known address if you want a job now, they want your DNA in Arizona, at least if this Bill passes that should send a chilling effect on everyone spine. I mean, that's crazy this why are we punishing people who are looking for gainful employment? I mean, why are we constantly deterring people from getting into care work and education? It makes no sense. I would never I mean when I got arrested here because I hope that fell through a turnstile about nine years ago. I didn't realize that a twenty five dollar open warrant regular old Roger stone over here. So I had twenty five hours or so in the tombs in New York City fascinating experience, but I got the retinas skin. It's not what I'm sitting there getting my retinas game. It's not exactly like I can be like all fourth amendment, please. This is an illegal search and seizure of my eyeballs. Because then they would just be like, okay. Well, then we can just take weaken have this month and a half. How does that sound you just hang out and Rikers? No, you wanna get the process done. So search and seizure for those that this is the fourth amendment. It's a procedure used in many civil on common law legal systems by which police or other thirties and their agents who are suspected that crime has been committed commence a search of a person's property and confiscate any relevant evidence found in connection to a crime. Now, if you're telling me that this isn't as search of my property, my DNA inside of this big old body. That's my prop a lot of DNA. That's a lot of DNA. And that's a lot of my property. So I can I didn't even there's no crime the crime is I wanna be a teacher in Arizona. And this prick this this guy. He should be blasted this not not literally with a gun or something. But social media needs to blast. This dude blasted with DNA last with DNA DNA gun taste of his own Mattis apps. David Livingston, this total. In other schmuck? Bill, fourteen seventy five David Livingston people want to apply for jobs, and now they have to give up their DNA and not just have their civil liberties rip from them. They also have to pay for it. Just to say FU, the official screw you from the state of era. Zona Gizmodo reached out to Livingston's office to ask why you propose this legislation and if any private companies interesting stand to profit from him they did not receive immediate response. Believe it or not the people that want to strip us of all of our civil liberties there a little quiet. There are little hush the Zona Republic speculates that the Bill could be related to a recent case in Phoenix where police were able to use DNA to link a nurse to the rape of an incapacitated woman at a local healthcare facility, though DNA tests can be used for good. They've also been known to falsely im- implicate innocent people in crimes they didn't commit. There are many. Other reasons you might want to think twice about somebody into a DNA test. Arizona's Bill would allow the sharing of DNA between government agencies in a handful of instances and access to the database could be supplied to anyone conducting quote, a legitimate research study, everyone is doing that. So this is just going to go to the highest bidder. Literally, your DNA is going to go to the highest bidder. Apple Amazon, whoever the hell, am I be one of these huge international corporations, and it's going to be used for God knows what maybe they're going to try to clone. I mean, it sounds crazy. But literally they could experiment with your DNA to work on cloning technology right now, China's cloning their clothing, so it is this is just also that that rape case with the nurse. There was a crime committed. Yeah, it's totally absolutely different than applying for a job and having also if you don't get the job you apply for it. And now you've just wasted two hundred fifty dollars. I mean, it is. So ludicrous. But this is just another instance of this trend of invading people's privacy for the sake of of security overall like in two thousand seventeen in river, falls, Wisconsin. There was a tech company, and they are still doing this. This is implanted microchips in the all the employees hands and didn't say it's explicitly required. But they created a culture of conformity in. Yes and made it so that everyone has microchip parties afterward. Yes. That was a great story. Let me actually let me do the Google machine here. Let me do with -sconsin microchip microchip hand. I think it should work Wisconsin, Wisconsin workers embedded with microchips. This is in river falls Travis said, and we've covered this story before this is a loc- a local firm here. They made good on their promise to get shipped. And they would. And once you got shipped the employs would wear shirts that say I got shipped some forty workers at the at the three square market affirm that makes cafeteria kiosks aimed at replacing vending machines got tiny rice sized microchips in bedded in their hands. And literally if you go back, and you read that story it's so that they can get snacks quicker. It's because no. So you have all of your data on this little chip. It's your wallet. It's your access to certain rooms that you might that you might need a card for usually a key car. But now you just put your hand up to it or the back of your hands really uncommon apple it's Apple Pay become flesh. It's the new flesh. Yes. And and that. Be a tracking device. So they're going to they can. I mean, I don't understand how anyone did it. But as Travis mentioned, it wasn't forced it was highly suggested by management and company culture was like it's pretty coup. If you think about like, how you're always on the radar, and I'm not even trying to make like some grandiose statement of like, I'm off the grid. I'm so frigging on the grid. It's ridiculous. But I am not everyone, and I know for a factor of introverts who would say, I don't particularly care to get microchip. But I also really need this job in river falls, Wisconsin, where it's not that many jobs around. Well, I guess I better sacrifice more civil liberties. So I can make seven fifty in our trying to make kiosks really ridiculous. So anyway, those are just a couple of the stories that I thought people should be talking about this week. Don't you think they're interesting Travis? Yeah. Absolutely. All right. Just lastly, let's see I guess I'll cover this. I was on FOX nation today. I did this tyrus his show and and Brit tyrus end Brit. And he's actually a pretty nice guy. He's a little bit. He's he's more like me in some ways. He, but we disagreed on this one subject, and I know it's a hot button issue. So let's just talk about it a little bit here. LGBTQ they this group they kicked out tennis legend Martina Navratilova for opposing transgender men competing with women. So this happened in London. It was February twenty first of this year, she fell out because of this quote with this organization. This is what she said, this is the article that she wrote, and again Navratilova she was and still is a gay icon when she came out as a lesbian. It was a big deal, and I have nothing but a respect for her. This kind of reminds me of like, you know, if you don't die young you'll live long enough to become the villain. Does just kind of how. Life works. This is her article, it's titled the rules on trans athletes reward cheats and punish the innocent. Okay. So this is what she says she says letting men compete as women simply if they changed their name and take hormones as unfair no matter how those athletes may throw their weight around this came in response to the condemnations from transgender activists. She goes on to write you can't just proclaim yourself a female and be able to compete against women. There must be some standards and having a penis and competing as a woman would not fit that standard. So my thoughts tires were like she's one hundred percent, right? And I understand, you know, some of this viewpoint. But my my point is if you're taking the hormones, and I don't think that really people unless aft after puberty you gotta be really careful with that kind of stuff. You don't be messing with your body. Pre puberty. You're taking the hormones, your hormone levels are the same as the gender you identify as I don't see. Anything wrong with it. And I understand, you know, she's this is a new world. This is times have changed and for her. Maybe she's like what the hell, but I just say get out there and compete try to win. It doesn't matter if someone's transgender or not just do your best to compete, and you know, the best person will win no matter. What why he says? Oh, I mean, you know, challenge take the challenge get it done. I mean, I quitted on the show to Oscar Pistorius. Of course, he's that dude. I believe it. What is it South Africa? Yeah, he shot his girlfriend because she thought she thought that she was an intruder. And like every intruder they go to the bathroom before they rob and murder you. I mean, granted the nerves the nurse. Yeah. Yucky. Tommy when you when you're breaking into. Yeah. I mean, naturally, I get. But of course, I mean, you know, it is a very dangerous area. But that was a horrible defense. And I think he's continually in legal trouble because of but. When you look at him running in the Olympics. This has got to cyborg legs yet, they are better than human lex. You can't break them. There's no Zion happening who there's no shoe breaking. That's a whole nother story, by the way, I on Nike really messed up on that. But there, you know, everyone's like, oh what a what a hero. What a brave like he's half robot. You know, the guy is like the Terminator the evil Terminator like liquid metal from Terminator two. And everyone's like, this is amazing. This is a development. So quite frankly, the future is just going to be more gender fluid and people with biotic arms. I are going to start. You know, I think Paul is battle bots. That's the future sport. I love battle bots. We've been. We need to battle Botts. Yes. So that really is just where the culture is going, and I understand some of the hesitation. But we also have to remember there are so few the number of transgender athletes. It's so few and this is also on the heels of Donald Trump's horrified. Horrible transgender ban in the military. Just this idea that you know, so so if you're transgender what am I supposed to do? Donald Trump says the administration says I'm too weak to go to war because I used to be a woman now a man or vice versa and people like Marie Nava to Lova say, I'm too strong. Yeah. It's one of my supposed to do. Yeah. So we just need to chill out. Let people let people live. That's what I say. Go out there compete, you know, and the way that the science works, my understanding, and you shoot me an Email at the last podcast network, g dot com wanna hear from our transgender people. And you know, I, you know, if you have if you have an opposing argument feel free to Email me as well. I just believe strongly in this. Because obviously, we have a lot of transgender listeners have some transgender friends than everything. So I just sort of see myself in stories like this, and I just feel like we need to make sure that going forward that we don't have. Have a society that is just actively going rooting against somebody for attempting to compete in athletic event. And what she what she is proposing a sort of like worst case scenario where she's like they can just go back to being a man they're going to rest they're gonna play tennis. They're going to beat all the women. And then they're going to go back to be a man, but I also feel like member that Billie Jean documentary where she beat that no grass, and he was a little bit older than she was. But I also feel like that's doing a disservice to women if you take you take anyone against Serena or Venus, and I'm like, they'll just beat every I'm not worried about like, I don't think that they're concerned about going against transgender athlete. So, you know, but anyway, no reason to crucify this woman or anything, but I just disagree with her on that point. And of course, then there was some controversy because she got kicked out of this grouper is no longer in embassador. But it's kind of like you were the ambassador for an algae BT group in the new so you can't really go against one fourth or one fifth if he had the q. Yes, I understand this shape. Shifting villain of a tennis player. That's coming into dominate a woman. And then go back to be honest. I don't know. That's, but you know, it's just different times. And I understand you. And I mean as soon as robots start competing with people, I will be anti robot. And then I'll be seen as a ro- robots. I don't know what kind of bigotry term will be applied to people who don't like robots robot. Big. I am a robot. Big. I actually am. I maybe I'll change my view. Maybe I'll have a maybe I'll have a change of heart or anyway, I just wanted to give that comment because I know specifically on the right? They're going to be like look at this craziness and chill chill out. My my message to the world chill out. Unless of course, you're getting your rights rights stripped away from ice when they said a fake universities. And of course, when you have to give your DNA without your without your desire, and you have to pay for it yourself and the war against a continues. Although, you know, there's some positive things with that. I'm I'm not. Hey, I can be used for good everything can be used for good. But back cowboy times, we all we all love red dead, redemption. Love it. I'm playing because Marcus recommended far cry four that's what I'm just bought far cry five last night. Apparently, it's great game. I'm lovin. All right, everyone. Well, thank you so much for listening. I appreciate you very very much. Yeah. You can find me on Instagram. 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Dec. 1 - Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Sen. John Kennedy, Arnold Schwarzenegger and John Kerry

"This Sunday impeachment fight with the House. Ready to drop charges against President Trump C violation of the constitution and we had no choice but to the president's supporters. Were Not GonNa let the Democrats in the House. Destroy this president and a sham process and the president. These are the facts. The case was game over. Turn off the television attack. The process is illegitimate hoping new. Encourage Swing District Democrats to vote. No on impeachment. I'll talk to Democratic senator and presidential hopeful Amy Klobuchar Minnesota and Republican Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana. What's the Democratic race? Elizabeth Warren's numbers dipped sharply until two polls. I'm out here. Fighting every day. On behalf of working families pay Buddha digit is on the rise but still facing skepticism among African American voters. I'm very conscious of the advantages and privileges is that I have had the advantages that come with being white and being male. We'll have the latest on the Democratic field. That seems no closer to sorting itself out. Also John Kerry and Arnold Schwarzenegger today to our founding members of a group called World War zero which aims to spark a nationwide conversation on the catastrophic effects of global warming. How speak to both with carrying Schwarzenegger this morning? Joining me for insight and analysis on New York Times columnist David Brooks Maria Theresa Kumar President of Voter Latino Republican strategists. Strategist AL and betsy. Water Swan of the daily beast. Walk Sunday it's meet the press from. NBC News Washington Washington this morning show in television history. This is good Sunday morning. I hope you've I've been enjoying your Thanksgiving weekend with the House. Judiciary Committee beginning the formal process of drawing up charges against the president. The White House faces a new deadline committee chairman Jerry jerrold Nadler has given president trump and his lawyers until five pm on Friday to decide whether to take part at all. Mr Trump has repeatedly called the impeachment investigation. Sham scam I and hoax. The Republican strategy has been to focus on the impeachment process de legitimize. It and scare newly elected house. Democrats in swing districts devoting against impeachment. Yeah de legitimizing. The process also makes it easier for many Republican senators. Like John Kennedy of Louisiana. Perhaps who'll join me in a moment to vote to acquit the president in an impeachment trial now. Republicans are quick to point out that weeks of impeachment hearings have not increased the public's appetite for impeachment. and well that's true. It's also hard to argue argue that having roughly fifty percent of the voters wanting removed from office immediately is where any president wants to be right now as well so to use a football term president trump and Republicans have beaten the spread on surviving. The initial political fallout of all this but there are a long way away from winning the game. They said the president if any information that is sculptor Tori please bring forth with that. Next hearing scheduled for Wednesday and new reporting that the president knew about a whistleblower complaint but four he released a Ukraine president trump and his allies are attempting to turn up the political pressure on Democrats. She what's happening in the bumps everybody he said that's really. Republican groups have spent nearly seven million dollars on ads against impeachment since Pelosi announced the inquiry in September compared to just over two point eight million on pro impeachment ads by Democratic groups. Almost entirely money spent by Tom Steyer and mostly in support of of his own campaign most of that money is targeting New Democratic House members in swing districts fair partisan impeachment is politically motivated charade. They promised Nice to be different but so far public opinion remained split along partisan lines and a CNN. Poll fifty percent of adults support impeachment forty-three forty-three percent do not numbers unchanged from a month ago. Quinnipiac has similar numbers forty five percent of voters think president trump should be impeached. Forty eight percent and do not also little change from October. Just thirteen percent of voters say they might change their minds still that remains a critical slice of the electorate and and vulnerable Democrats are carefully weighing how to talk about impeachment and likely later this month how to vote on it. There's no question I didn't run for the seat to a piece of president. Go back and check my eighteen months of running for this office. There's nothing in there about that. We Republicans in Tossup Senate seats are also wary of laying in protesters gathered at all six of Senator Collins's main offices on on Tuesday justice you went one adjoured go into a case prejudging yet and not being familiar with all the evidence. I feel very strongly about that. A Senate trial could also scramble the twenty twenty calendar requiring the six senators running for president to return to Washington after the the December holidays. We'll take a choice. Come on we're on. We'll be determined by majority sentiment and while Democrats support impeachment. They're not enthusiastic about about campaigning. On it not first and foremost what about impeachment out here on the trail. Our job is to talk to voters about how their lives are going to be impacted by. WHO's sitting in the White House? Every moment we're talking about impeaching Donald Trump or donald trump in any context. We are not creating a positive vision for the country and joining me. Now is Democratic Democratic presidential candidate Senator Cloud Minnesota Senator Kluber short. Welcome back to meet the press. spanky check it's wonderful to be on all right the collision of impeachment. The campaign is all now now upon US sixty three days I think will be caucusing. You might be. They're taking a break from the Senate trial. What role does public opinion? Play an all this for you. I mean we're at a stalemate no matter what you think of the facts were to public. Opinion Stalemate here what role should that play in this. The first obligation is a constitutional one. We don't have a choice. This is something where the founding fathers themselves James Madison said that the reason we needed impeachment provision is that he feared that the president would betray the trust of the American people to a foreign power. That's why this is preceding seating. I see it simply as a global Watergate back then you had a president in Richard Nixon was paranoid and he delegated to some people that go break into the headquarters and get into a file cabinet to get dirt on a political opponent. That's basically what this president has done on a global basis. Yes it's it's a public trial and the public will be able to see more and we'll be able to reach their own decisions. But in the end it's our constitutional obligation and I can do two things at once once. Let me I want to show you a quote from a Congress member of Congress from Michigan. WHO said this Brenda Lawrence? Democrats said this. We're so close to election. I will tell you sitting sitting here knowing how divided the country is. I don't see the value of taking him out of office but I do see the value of putting down a marker saying is behavior is not acceptable. That is one way to look at this public opinion that you see people sort of the people that are actually listening. Everything are torn on the election as posted. This are split in this. You got a democratic member in your on state. Colin Peterson who didn't even vote to go through this procedure. He's from a trump district. Is that what you here. Let me talk about how I I see this yes. This is a legal impeachment proceedings and it could result in him being thrown out of office. That is true but I see this as part of a bigger pattern manner and the pattern is this. He betrays the trust of the American people. He puts his private interests. He puts his business interests. He puts his partisan political interests in front of our countries. That's what people get. That's why you see. For instance the fact that he went out there and rallied for the opponents. Republicans in Louisiana and Kentucky and the Democrats. That's one we have a new democratic governor in Kentucky and that is because people said you know what he's betrayed us on healthcare. We haven't been able to get the healthcare that we want fear though what he could do how he would interpret a Senate acquittal. I have no idea what he will do. All I know is that we have an obligation obligation to the country to lead to have this proceeding be conducted fairly which I believe it has. It was all in public in the last week. People got to see deep people Lieutenant Colonel Vehement who made the American point to his dad. Hey this is a country where you can tell the truth. I think the importance is that it's fair. And then we get a result. The Republicans of poured millions of dollars into the swing district trying with an anti impeachment message. Democrats have not countered and I understand why they have it right. They don't want to look like they're politicizing this process and yet what's happening. It's an asymmetrical warfare and you're losing the political argument in public opinion should should there hindsight twenty twenty Democrats making a mistake not sticking up with paid media for these particularly the swing State Democrats. I think it's way too early to tell that. Chuck we've we've got a whole election season in front of us and my evidence is what just happened where we took back the Virginia State House and State Senate right in the middle of all this because the voters were looking at that yes. This is patriotism. Check this is values check. There are people that don't even want to have the watch the president on TV anymore. They they have to turn the volume down on their TV and it is also an economic check so when I went on those that Blue Wall tour of places like Michigan and Pennsylvania into Wisconsin sent and talk to citizens who may be voted for him before they said enough. He hasn't come through for us. Our prescription drug costs are skyrocketing. What has he doesn't he's just whining on TV all the time? Let me talk about your race. It seems as if right now everybody is focused on everybody's flaws all the reasons why none of you can unite tonight. The Democratic Party one. None of you can do this. And you've got this problem in this candid. It's got that problem. It's only a focus on the words. Is this damaging long-term. We will come together. You know we are not like the Republican Party where they say he says jump and they say how high and no one says the emperor has no clothes are parties going to have a a debate about issues but I am the candidate from the very beginning that said we have to cross. The river of our divides when I announced on that river in the middle of that blizzard. I'm the candidate that said I don't want to be the president for half of America but all of America and I've set a very clear path that we will have divides but I am where the people you're and that means that I have big bold ideas no one has a monopoly and good idea But I am the one that will unite this party. What's the criticism of your campaign? So far that's resonated rated the most with you that you think that's fair. I'm trying to change. Well I think it would always be nice to get more money and we have. They're always saying Oh. Oh you haven't raised as much money as some of these other guys well. I'm not as well known sensitive last debate We've taken over two million dollars in one instance online line from regular people in six days so we are expanding. We're opening more offices in Iowa. Were more opening more offices and adding staff in New Hampshire and in the early states. And that's because the momentum's on our side and I'm never going to be able to compete with two billionaires. That is true. I'm not going to be able to buy this thirty. Some million dollars sent by. She clearly really insulted by Bloomberg country. I mean and look I understand. Have other look. This is your space. You're saying hey I'm the compromise. I'm the one that if I didn't falters. He's in all of a sudden. Hey You you're getting into my space. That's what you sounded like. Well it is more about money and politics for me. I have admiration for the work that he's done but I don't buy hi this argument that you get in because you say oh everyone else sucks I just don't I think we have strong candidates. I don't think that any of the polling or the numbers show that people are dissatisfied satisfied with all their candidates. They're trying to pick the right one so my case is to make that it's me. I'm the one from the beginning that has set that path that you look people in the is you. Tell them the truth that no. We're not going to give free college to everyone. But we're going to match our economy with the jobs and the education system that we have. I'm the one is the only one on the stage. Didn't get on that bill for kicking people off their current health insurance in four years Michael Bloomberg if he doesn't qualify if you don't ever get to debate him but ends up winning a nomination can happen. I mean you are the debate people and he also has to get out there you know. I didn't see him out out there in the middle of that snowstorm. Three days ago in Iowa I was out there and people turned out people turned out in big numbers wherever we went. And that's because that's why we have early states so that people are able to meet the candidates and they're able to make a good decision it cannot be all about money or rich people would be running and winning in every every Senate race in the country what happened that quickly any chance she would vote to acquit. I can't see that happening right now but I am someone that looks at each count and makes a decision decision. I've said from the beginning. I see this impeachable conduct Senator Amy Klobuchar Democrat from Minnesota. Sorry about the University of Minnesota. Yesterday it's been triggered ball was in our region rose above the safe on the trump and joining me. Now is Republican senator. John Kennedy of Louisiana also happens to sit under judiciary committee in the Senate side of things. Senator Kennedy Welcome back to meet the press. Thank you chuck. You appeared on a show last Sunday. And you walked back a comment that you made there. Can you explain what you what you misstated aided and what you wanted to fix what part of the record you wanted to correct. Sure I walked it back because I was wrong. Swath office was interviewing me. I'm sorry about what. What were you wrong about? Well Chris Wallace was interviewing me and He asked me a question I answered it. I thought he'd asked me if Ukraine had meddled in the two thousand sixteen of Action He didn't he asked me if Ukraine was responsible for hacking the DC. DNC Computer which is of course a former medley went back and looked at the transcript and removes. Chris was was right and I was wrong so Saddam was wrong. The the issue of conflating. What Ukraine did in what Russia did his his been? I think at the heart of some of the criticism you've received Michael Gerson whose no liberal columnists in the Washington Post certainly not a fan of president trump. Either I grant you that. But here's what he wrote about your appearance. He said this politicians such as Kennedy must know the truth about Russia aggression but still they choose to suck up up to the president by reflecting his mania sharing his blind spots loyalty to trump among Republicans as proved by the loosening of all other loyalties to truth to honesty into the national good by this measure Kennedy is profoundly loyal to the president simply uttering this conflation on Ukraine and Russia. The inferences. You're doing the president's presidents dirty work here. Do you accept that criticism. WELL OUTLOOKS ON I. I like Michael Gerson. I haven't met him but I know he's a smart guy and I read read his columns now a game. I disagree with him I think both Russia and Ukraine meddled in the two thousand sixteen election action. I think it's been well documented in the Financial Times and politico in the economist and the Washington examiner even even on. CBS that the Prime Minister of Ukraine. The Interior Minister the Ukrainian ambassador to the United States. The head of the CRANIUM Anti Corruption League all meddle in the election on social media and otherwise they worked with the DNC operative. Did you against president. Let me can I make one more point. Chuck Churn one point in fact. In December of two thous eighteen. A Ukrainian court ruled that Ukrainian officials had violated Ukrainian law by by meddling settling in our election and that was reported New York Times. Were you now is there. Is there. Meddling no no no were you raised by the intelligence according according to the New York Times a couple of weeks ago. US senators were briefed after Fiona Hill's testimony that that actually this entire effort to frame Ukraine for the Russian meddling feeling of two thousand. Sixteen of which you you just made this case that they've done it actually. This is an effort of Russia. Propaganda that this is a Russian intelligence propaganda campaign in order to get people like you to say these things about Ukraine. They're trying to frame Ukraine. You apparently were briefed about about this in the United States Senate by intelligence officials. Are you at all concerned. You're doing Russian intelligence work here. I was not briefed. You didn't tell them that. Listen doctor you didn't attend the doctor. I wasn't breathed doctor. He'll entitled to her opinion but when when when the economy winning opinion become fact the seventeen eighteen intelligence services saying it does every Western intelligence ally saying Russia did this. I'm just sort of confused. At what point is it no longer an opinion for are you. I don't think it's an opinion. I think it's a fact. I believe the forty by the political magazine. The only hill by the Vienna Hill gave an opinion. Leave the report. I believe the reporting by the Financial Times I believe the reporting by the Washington Ashington examiner. You should read the articles chuck. They're very well documented and I believe that Ukrainian District Court and December two thousand thousand eighteen slapdown several. You can't Ukrainian officials for meddling in our elections avation of Ukrainian law. Now I didn't report report. Those facts reputable journalists reported. Those facts does that mean that Ukrainian the Ukrainian leaders were more aggressive than Russian Oceano. Russia was very aggressive and they're much more sophisticated but the fact that Russia was so aggressive does not exclude the fact that President Poros Shinko. Yeah actively worked for Secretary Clinton. Now if I'm wrong and it's worked for Secretary I mean my goodness wait a minute. Senator Kennedy you now have the president of Ukraine saying he actively worked for the Democratic nominee for president. I mean now come on I gotta put you realize the only other person selling telling this argument outside the United States. Is this man Vladimir Putin this is what he said on November twentieth. Thank God nobody is accusing us anymore. Interfering in US elections now they're accusing Ukraine. Well let them sort this out among themselves. You accused a former president of Ukraine. You've done exactly what the Russian operation is trying to get American politicians to do. Are you at all concerned. That you've been duped no because you just read the articles. Do you believe the Economist magazine is a reputable Journal Journal. It's been around. I think since eighteen forty three that you think there's a difference in criticising you think there's a different criticizing a presidential candidate who essentially endorsed another country's invasion and annexation of part of their country as equivalent to what Russia did the DNC. Well let me put it this way. Chocolate suppose and I don't I don't believe it but you're right and I'm wrong then. What harm arm would it do to allow the president of the United States who has demonstrated record fighting foreign corruption to introduce evidence? Why why doesn't he he has been? He has been called provided he's been provided every opportunity to provide exculpatory evidence on any of this and they have chosen not joey hasn't hasn't round rounds one and two by Speaker Pelosi and Chairman Schiff or as rigged as a carnival ring. Toss and we both know that if I were a prosecutor prosecuting You for felony and I went to a federal judge and I said judge. We both know Chuck's guilty. So not me call witnesses. GimMe an order. That he can't call any witnesses. He can't cross examine my witnesses. He can't offer any rebuttal evidence. His lawyer can't even be there. You know what that federal judge would do right. Or he put me in a straitjacket. There'll be sanctioned this what's happened senator. This White House is not. There's not cooperated on any oversight at all. Have they not brought some of this upon upon themselves had they allowed the president to call his own witnesses. No have they allowed him to have his lawyer President. No no had. They allowed him to offer rebuttal. Evidence no have. They allowed him to cross. Examine the witnesses that were handpicked by Speaker Pelosi. No now whether you liked the president or you don't okay we. Both I know agree with due process. Nobody is above the law chuck. But nobody's beneath them mall and the bill of rights is not an ALA carte menu. It's not we will leave it there. Senator Kennedy Republican from Louisiana. You guys didn't get tripped up this weekend so LSU's clear sailing for next week but don't blow it. Don't blow it mess up the whole system there. Thanks for coming on and sharing your views sir. Good to say you my friend when we come back. Republicans insist. They're winning. 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Listen to the Senate will try to get it done quickly as possible. And then we'll go off to the presidential campaign going bigwood saying this is not a trial political process. The jury is in four states in the Mid West. I we're going to get local people from those four states to try to explain to people in those four states why this matters to them and tried to shift the poll numbers so those are the two options. I think they should fold it up. Because uh-huh political opinion is completely unmovable on this and they should go on presidential campaign. Betsy it is this. This is not a split decision. Organically the the Republicans spent millions to get the split decision and House. Democratic leadership is cognizant of the fact based on a conversation with the leader of Eight. I had yesterday that. They don't expect getting getting more than the mid fifties in terms of support for impeachment they see this as sort of permanently bifurcated and not as an issue where they can break that sixty percent number from talking with a handful of Democratic Hill. Aides yesterday about this particular topic one thing. I heard Multiple Times. Is that a big concern. For those vulnerable frontline democratic freshman is not not so much that they'll be sort of tarred with having supported impeachment. But that the argument against them and they only supported impeachment and they didn't get other things done all the way across the line will this is what makes Pelosi Getting Nafta two point. Oh I've heard it was. It wasn't the deal but it was sort of implied. Look I get this done. Don't work well and this is exactly right. They need to be able to demonstrate that their whole business and their whole charge is not being consumed specifically because of impeachment but they are are also doing the people's business but I think that we could which are also laid it out. The country needs to have a massive civic engagement conversation right now education in those swing states and explaining to people. Why do they actually have to do the impeachment because it is done it is basically designated to by the constitution and explaining that? You're all saying. DO NOT WANNA set precedent if it is this. President gets away with this. The next president could be a democrat. That can do the same thing so they have to continue down this road but they have to be able to demonstrate that they're doing the people's business at the same kyle while I see that paralysis a successful short term strategy for the Republicans. It's not like his numbers are getting better if the big picture like. He's still underwater. This is getting parable reelection campaign effort true but has numbers haven't gotten worse like with Richard Nixon's for example. I I think timings having a lot to do with this and happy belated Thanksgiving you look between Thanksgiving and Christmas. I know for a fact. Don't WanNa get angry at people. I don't WANNA be angry Greenpeace for Democrats to move the needle. They've gotta get people angrier than they are to especially in the center in America and that's it's not happening. I also see evolution. You know. We don't see right and wrong the same way we did in the seventies during Richard Nixon. America's evolved in. It's right or wrong philosophy. Look I think what. President trump is extensively being accused of is more serious than what Richard Nixon was accused of. But but Richard Nixon's post numbers tumbled to a point where he couldn't sustain the precedence INS and so he quit and You know I don't. I don't see the Democrats gaining meaning from this unless somehow someway they are able to move the political needle as well as a few Republican votes. David you said something about going big and I'll it just reminded me of something you know. What something big that happened? This week is that somebody with conviction said. I'm not sticking by this president anymore. Resign and explain why I did it. The former navy now former former Navy secretary Richard Spencer over the president's involvement in this navy seal warcrimes case this was shocking and unprecedented. Richard Spencer wrote wrote intervention in a low level review. It was also reminded that the president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices. Sometimes I wonder when you say that. Go big comment. There's all this other stuff that Democrats are almost ignoring that are as alarming. And here's a case where the military people and now we're deeply offended by what trump did for two reasons one he said. Oh you got to remember. These people are all broken people that came back from combat. And they're like I came back from combat. I dealt with some stuff. I'm not a broken human being and second that they believe that you can fight ethically that you can be a good soldier marine whatever and you can do it with a high standard of moral decency. Eighty and trump sometimes seeing somebody who has no moral sense like moral rules and things just immoral. It's more more than more so when somebody says Oh that's wrong. It's like telling a colorblind person this purple like I think he's just perpetually surprised because he doesn't have any awareness of this and so this is a case where people in the military that I knew trump voters were deeply deeply deeply offended. This is the type of story betsy that actually could penetrate. You know what I mean. This is sometimes where. I wonder it's like this was deeply offensive in a non ideological way and that's a challenge for Democrats is that it's very difficult from a messaging perspective to launch this this challenging impeachment process and and also to be able to have this focus on these other issues the story of the secretary of the navy being ousted or resigning has been totally covered up or pushed to the aside by the impeachment store exactly but this is the impeachment story is dominating the way Democrats talk about the president and it's not without an opportunity cost well and I think this is where the president he understands this idea of letting convicted war crimes can go free but put holding him really close he is talking working very closely with Eric Gallagher. He is on all the Sunday shows when he wants to. Campaign wasn't to campaign because he wants to show that he does have strips. This is where the Democrats asymmetrically don't understand the value of having a conversation and when when the commander in chief loses the trust of his top rank something else is a mess commander in chief to put it. Even even an worst perspective believes that everyone from that region is guilty of terrorism unless proven innocent and for him unlike most of us Somebody shooting some an innocent civilian in the Middle East is not a big deal. He believes a those are bad. People were were. We're in a fight. At least casualties are casualties of war. This Mannasseh Navy Seal Navy seals are heroes. I'm going to pardon him. That's the kind on of messing with the right and wrong aspect of wire military so successful. And that's that's basically I think our presidents somebody who thinks that by watching the military channel there suddenly a commander when we come back. John Kerry and Arnold Schwarzenegger on their new effort to come back global Welcome back to twenty. Nineteen and climate. Change Conference begins tomorrow in Madrid amid sobering new studies on the effects and acceleration of global warming and one study the old projections of flooding at high tide by the year. Twenty fifty in this case in southern Vietnam. We're updated to look more like this and there's a lot more water than southern Vietnam with virtually the entire area underwater now by two thousand fifty here in the US and organization of scientists politicians celebrities liberties called World War zero hopes to spark millions of conversations about global warming and the next year and create more urgency on the issue joining me now from Los Angeles or two founding members former senator and secretary of State Democrat John Kerry who created the group and former California governor. Sometime Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger say some time. I'll let let you governor. Tell me these days where you are with the party. Gentlemen welcome back to meet the Press Secretary Kerry let me start with this question. I'm going to be a bit of a cynic here but you go out of your way to say you're not backing a single climate plan with World War zero. This is about creating more attention to the issue is attention is attention. Engineer the issue really the issue right now. This feels like a ten year ago. Problem the issue right now is convincing a certain President United States to tact off. was that just a president chuck. They're great efforts out there. Many environmental groups young people particularly but no country is getting the job job done. I mean the simple reality is that we are way behind way behind the eight ball. Things are getting worse not better and so we have our unlikely the allies coming together here. There's group that has people as diverse as ours in terms of nationality age gender ideology background life experience and come together saying we've got to treat this like a war. I mean it has to require decision making king an organization and efforts that adjust not taking place. And so we have people across ideologies. You have you have former treasury secretary. Hank Act Paulson. You have former governor of Ohio John case it to Arnold. You have a lot of people on the other side of the aisle who all come together without saying This is the only way to get there but with the desire to make certain that in America and around the world and people are going to put this issue way up at the top of the list. We're going to do the things we need to do. We're going to organize we're going to mobilize. We're GONNA talk to literally millions of Americans over the course of the next months. And this is going to become a primary issue governor Schwarzenegger I mean what does more too. But what does more to sort of focus people's attention to this issue at a town hall or these or the fact that you know you look at your state. The wildfires are worse. And there's probably nothing thing right now you can do about it. Well we are very happy and very proud of what we've done here in California and Thank you perfect proof that you can predict environment in those who predict economy at the same time because we have to strict that's inbound laws here in California and at the same time the number one economic way way ahead of the United States average growth is three point six percent with the United States growth around the two percent and You know we create more jobs. Millions ends of jobs since we have passed laws so you can see that we can do both be the fifth largest economy in the world read behind China Germany and Japan and the United States said it just shows you the power that we have by going. Green into kind of jobs created nothing. That's what we want to do. We want the whole United States going that direction the whole world that direction and I'm very very happy that they've joined up here with John Because John has been a longtime friend of mine and I've always admired his passion about the clean gene environment. And about you know. Bring both parties together. I mean he negotiated with Lindsey Graham years. A great great deal that was almost about to happen. And so so I think working together and there's nothing that is a great idea to being Republicans and Democrats together and of course I'm a fanatic about communication which is a whole other issue. It was donated secretary told me. So for instance. Walk me through at a town hall is GonNa look like and in in in West Virginia when you're here in coal country where I really look forward to that actually because they're just huge economic opportunities for a West. Virginia that are not being utilized. There is isn't that been the problem like you have to give people a choice to be given a choice right now. I mean you said are we going to back one unplanned. The answer is yes. There is one plan and that plan is to get to net zero emissions by twenty forty five or fifty. Now how we get there. There are a lot of different ideas out there but the important thing is that that's not happening now. I mean it's embarrassing that in the Democratic presidential debates you had a whole a bunch of debates in which there was one question on climate change and climate change is we have a lot of young acts have been over. It's been overwhelming coming secretary. I mean look we the debate. I participated in quite a bit on climate change. But it's hard to bite off and I think that's part of the gear is that it's so overwhelming. How do you tackle at one one piece at a time? In fact it's not it shouldn't be overwhelming. And that's why Arnold and I and a whole bunch of people you you know. There's a young woman who has taken two years off from going to Stanford and Amos Katie. And she's been part of the climate strikes in the future coalition and she said collaboration. Here's the key to our survival. Young people get it. They understand what this is about. But they don't have a vote in the boardroom. They don't have a vote in Congress. They don't have stock in in in the fossil fuel companies and the fact is that there are a huge number of jobs to be created here fastest growing job in America today. Solar Power Technician Edition second-fastest wind technician. I mean Cole is going down because the marketplace is making that decision so we WANNA do is say people. We'll here are the ways in which take health health can be so much improved in the United States. Young people are hospitalized in the United States. I and it's costing taxpayer fifty five billion dollars a year because of environmentally induced asthma. That comes some pollution. So we're talking about reducing reducing pollution. We're talking about creating jobs. We're talking about American security one of the people who's joined us in this effort is general. Stan McChrystal right. I mean there's no greater patriot. Nobody nobody has paid his dues. More we have admirals and generals who are all coming to the table to help make the argument to Americans and to people in the world. Okay this is an international international security issue governor. I agree but let me let me. A- cody -fornia in Bakersfield. But there's a lot of oil drilling going on as more solar jobs nine Bakersfield around the area then the oil jobs of people leaving the oilfields and they're going to consoled on clean energy and stuff like that so this is the kind of stuff can does with co workers. So it's just a matter of how do you plan those things. We have made a great great plan. NBC people now leaving fuels in coming to get to that. I want you to come to that town hall. I would love to got to tell us for Jay. Do you ignore president trump. Or do you still try to convince him to change his mind. And would you have that one on one meeting. No no first of all I. I totally agree again with John. When you say it's not just one person we have to convince the whole world and I think the way to convince the whole world is yeah and not just always talking about climate change which doesn't mean that much to most of the people as a medic? You've done the polls to the Schwarzenegger Institute and you. You and I have talked about that. When we say climate change there was like of the Conservatives? There were only seven percent interested in thought that there was a serious threat Abo- soon as we said pollution. The number went over fifty percent so we got to communicate. Environmental community has to communicate better and talk about pollution because pollution is a threat right. Now when you introduce this piece you talked about in two thousand and fifty people can thank about two thousand and fifty to think about now. How okay how can provide jobs? How can I go and feed my family? Those are the kind of issues. That's why it's important to be talking about the health issue. That's how we have passed all. Oh for strict environmental laws secretary time I got I wear out of time. Okay you guys were great. I appreciate it more importantly appreciate. Could you got up early on the West Coast. I'm well aware of that on this weekend. So Secretary Kerry Governor Schwarzenegger. You've talked enough where you got to political questions. I was going to sneak on you. So we'll leave at their when we come back. Thank you guys. What would we come back a change of pace still yearning for that JEB? Coffee Mug or Bernie Chia pet fear not the twenty. Twenty campaigns have been hard work and are ready for you to click by. That's next welcome back. 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We've come a long way from handmade potholders to support the local congressional candidate in fact the the trump warren campaign websites both have more than ten pages of Merch for sale and both even held black Friday sales this week. You're not making miss up. Consider this a gentle reminder. There are only twenty four shopping days until Christmas and only three hundred and thirty seven until election day when we come back and game and the Democratic Arctic race. Whatever happened to the front runners particularly one named Elizabeth Warren? I'm back now with endgame. I'll be the best way to describe the uncertainty in the democratic feeling just headlines from this week week because I think it helps explain the uncertainty near time said how Comma Harris's campaign unraveled. It was very very much written in the past tense. Bloomberg is crushing. All of the Twenty Twenty Democrats kratz with this AD spending in Super Tuesday states. You heard me talk about that. Warren nosed is a new nationwide poll. Quinnipiac who'd probably over pulled her now had are dropping dramatically Buddha judge leading in both in New Hampshire Theresa. WHO's the front runner in the democratic? Thirty one I think is interesting. Joe Biden still has the is still leading the polls also nationwide because he has the highest name recognition. But when you look at Iowa where people are doing the work. They've rolled up the sleeves. P P he's leading and I think there's a as individuals start getting getting to know the candidates on the ground. That's what we should be looking at. Who is the one? That's actually finding out finding that voter. That is encouraging them to afford otherwise you could say it sounds like it's a dead. It's not it's worth. Where are they spending time? And who's WHO's gravitating towards. It feels like the camp candidates are treating Pete as the front runner. Now here's a cory booker. Super a super PAC gets it to a larger issue. Take a look. He's a Rhode scholar a successful mayor a uniter. Do Not that Guy Cory Booker. Betsy look the cory booker conundrum. Everybody why doesn't he caltrans at all. And I think people will be writing about that for a while but to me. This is Buddha judges about to get his time in the barrel like Elizabeth Warren. She didn't hold up very well. How's he going to do? She had a tough time and part of the reason that she had trouble. I think could indicate that Buddha judge may not go through the same experience I talked to one democratic operative last tonight. WHO said part of the explanation for her problems over the last month has been that when she changed her stance on healthcare issues? She got the worst of both worlds because she frustrated frustrated. Progressives she alienated some for base. But she doesn't have nearly the credibility that she would need to try to persuade moderates that she is at her core a candidate of the left Buddha judge however has a moment right now where he can decide. Is he going to try to change some of his core policy stances. Is he going to try to move the flag that he's planted in an effort to expand his support. And if he does he could go through the same thing that Warren just went through David Brooks though this African American issue for people aged seems seems seems problematic. I WANNA at least put up the headline people ages lying and after this is with Michael Harry to the root approve it proves men like him are more willing to perpetuate the then tastic narrative of Negro neighborhood needing more role models and briefcase carriers and make the people in power stare into the sun and see the blinding light of racism. People digits doesn't want to change anything he just wants to be something something now. Buddha did what you'd expect him to. He called up the writer. And because that's that's one way to deal with this. And here's the writer responded on Tuesday the only thing I actually know about who deduces that he is a white man but people. Listen which is all you can ask a white man to do can peak this moment. Yeah I think so one of the questions I've started ask escapes like who's the Jimmy Carter here because we're in a moment where we need a moral rents and seventy six. That was Jimmy. Carter completely unlikely presidential candidate running against a lot of qualified senators and he just seemed like a moral rinse and he seemed relaxing. I think one of the reasons Warren has suffered as a president. Warren Presidency seems kind of exhausting. We have four more years of battle so and I think Buddha judge seems a little less than a fighter more oh I can have a normal life again. And so he normally a good trait. Al What do you make of them you fab you're listening One thing's been surprising to me is how wide d'alene on the Senate race in this presidential primary you add Biden and and Mayor Pete and and if you add amy Klobuchar you know. You're getting a pretty big chunk of a Democrat Party at a time when the advertising been that it's only people far to the left can hold hold up the anchor of the base I don't know if it's too early to talk about it. Brokered Convention Mayor Bloomberg I would sink. And he said deep thinker. Well he he's putting all his stakes on that Super Tuesday and I think he's going to be one day candidate Super Tuesday do you or he's going to make sure that. Vote the delegates prentice such that. He can make a good argument at a convention to reassess people digit is he a nominee. That is they were all of this code attack on him. He can't put the Obama Coalition together. It was it was subtle code attacks. You know this this coalition. Can I think that's the challenges that right now. He's doing quite well in states that don't reflect the majority of the voters that was this coalition of Obama voters. I'm talking about disproportionately Latino African American and young people and I was talking to someone within his camp and I asked I said how is he pulling with young people. Could I figure that would be an indication. It's like not well so I know he's the millennial candidate that has more support so and I think that that says volumes that this is a racist long. We still have time. But he's going to have to figure out how to appeal outside of Island. Voters I to make sure that he actually has some things to remember about older voters. They vote they always show up for the voting. That's all for today. Thank you for watching. So there's no leftover Sunday was. It will be back next week because if it's Sunday it's meet the press Turkey Chili time tonight though last day of Turkey enjoy. Hey It's Chris as you know. 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Biden rebounds, Harris slips in new poll ahead of CNN debates; Top Republicans hesitate to embrace Trump's Intel Chief pick, a Congressional loyalist to Trump and Russia probe critic; Trump steps up attacks on Cummings and Baltimore, calling Congressman's

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Biden rebounds, Harris slips in new poll ahead of CNN debates; Top Republicans hesitate to embrace Trump's Intel Chief pick, a Congressional loyalist to Trump and Russia probe critic; Trump steps up attacks on Cummings and Baltimore, calling Congressman's

"Thanks for listening to this show and you can let us know what you think about it. At pod thoughts dot com that's pod thoughts dot com and thanks again for listening next Biden rebounds a major shift in momentum as the twenty twenty candidates prepare for the first of two make-or-break Acre break debates right here on C._N._N.. And Donald Trump chooses a loyal lawmaker to be the country's spy chief are Republicans on board though with trump's pick plus trump playing the race card again. We'll his strategy with his base win reelection. Let's go out front and good evening. I'm Erin Burnett live outside the Fox Theater in Detroit for the C._N._N.. Democratic presidential debate front tonight by is back big time a huge search for Joe Biden who is now the clear front runner as he prepares for the most important night thus far in the fight for twenty twenty according to a brand new Quinnipiac poll Biden is now at thirty four percent and when I say surge and big time I said it for this reason that that is up twelve percentage points from earlier this month after the last debate. That's a really big jump. Okay and Biden's rebound is coming ahead of this crucial debate here and impart coming at Kamla Harris's expense the senator who took Biden on called him out out on bussing to opole surge and a lot of accolades but now dropping to third at twelve percents Harris telling reporters that her game plan for regaining her momentum is what is your vision. It's going to mess up my mother raised me to be polite and I intend to be polite. I will express differences and articulate them and and <hes> and certainly point out where where we have differences of opinion because I believe that Democrats and the American voter have a right to know that well obviously a crucial night for her and meanwhile the Progressive Left Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are now preparing to go head to head side by I side on the stage defending their progressive agendas including Medicare for all which tonight is actually at the center of a very bitter back and forth between the candidates Comma Harris today unveiling her new Medicare for all health care plan that allows people to keep private insurance now. That's not just a change for her. It is a plan that sanders is slamming in a statement saying quote call it anything you want but you can't call this plan Medicare for all Chang laws out front with me in in Detroit and obviously young you have spent a lot of time on the trail with Senator Harris putting out this healthcare plan <hes> you know she's sort of switched her position back and forth on this and now tonight being hit from all sides <hes> yeah she's taking it both from the left left from Bernie Sanders saying hey this is not a medicare for all plan and then she's also taking it from the right. Joe Biden saying that what this plant essentially does is tear down the A._C._A.. That's what his team is saying what this plan does a plan and that Harris has rolled out is it puts her ideologically right in between Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders that is where she wants to be so. Let's take a look at the plan. What is the Harris Plan it essentially scales up Medicare as we know it Medicare Karen to one thousand nine hundred ninety eight calls for traditional Medicare? There is that public option that will be government run but there is also that option for private insurance so if you get your insurance through your union through your your employer that may still exist at the end of the tenure scale up that she's thinking but it would all be regulated by the federal government she ambitious it would look a lot like Medicare advantage today. A Medicare advantage is something that one third of Medicare enroll ease take part in it is still very popular part of Medicare. It works right there with the government run plan for Medicare and so- Harris does believe that this would work one other thing. We should point out that the timing of this can't be ignored. She's doing this right before the day one of the debates Erin our account. Thank you very much not front now. Paul begala democratic strategist who served as White House counselor to President Clinton Maria Cardona Democratic strategist and former D._N._C. Z communications director Dr Abdul El-Sayed former Michigan Democratic Gubernatorial candidate who previously served at the Health Commissioner here in Detroit okay thanks to all of these cepal the to start with the Joe Biden Search Okay Joe Biden's last debate was was not a great one. He knows that everyone knows that a lot of people said Oh so much is riding on this. He didn't even have another debate. Yes and he has surged a twelve percentage. Points is a very big job it is it's really impressive. It's GONNA put a bigger target on JOE's back on debate but he already had a target there. I do think uneasy lies the head that wears the crown. He's the clear front runner any other Democrat has a perfect right to go after him. I think I think what's driving this. It's what's driving almost all democrats Chris. This is a single issue election who can beat Donald Trump now. Maybe he's the right choice maybe not. I don't have a favorite race. I really am undecided but that's the only issue I'm J._F._K.. Democrat I will bear any price painting vice bear any burden so support any friend oppose ZANU PF wrote to ensure the defeat of Donald Trump and that's what I think is driving Biden's popular which is an interesting point because you know you heard what Chung said trying to describe the field right on to the right is Joe Biden that shows the shift here in the Democratic Party that Joe Biden is described as the right where they are right. Harris's numbers are really down since that debate performance which was widely <hes> people's thought that was very strong performance had it right. I think that's right. I think coming out of that debate people everyone was saying that she had certainly one the night. She raised a lot of money off of it. Her numbers surged for several days. Perhaps weeks after that but I agree with Paul. I think that people Kinda came down and who knows if this is going to take it still really really early right <hes> but the single most important issue right now in Democratic voters minds is who can beat Donald Trump and I will say that I think the last several weeks where Donald Trump has once again shown what he's going to try to win reelection election which is really focused on the racism and bigotry and the xenophobia goes back to the reason why why Joe Biden says he jumped into this race his vision was one of this is a fight for the soul of America and I think people are really feeling that right now and so all of the moment I think he is really taking advantage of that. Do want to jump in a few things number one. It's hard to interpret anyone will be Joe. Biden does benefit from having been vice president for eighties got the name recognition by Bernie Sanders has name recognition but other than that in persistently good support but the but the other point that I don't want to forget is that Hillary Clinton was the most electable candidate in American history. She lived in the White House for eight years. She'd been a senator she had been secretary of State. Nobody was better prepared and look where that got us. This electability argument that says that Joe Biden is the one doesn't make any sense because I'll tell you the reason he appears so far right is because our electorate is looking for something more you can point to unemployment. Employment numbers that look really low unemployment's at an all time high. It's not paying to have a job anymore and unless he's willing to go to a moment where we have to say. Actually this is not working. We have to ask well. What's the plan here and it doesn't seem like he's got anything except to say well? Let's go back to the Obama. One thing I've noticed okay when you say is all about being Donald Trump yes and that is what it seems to be about for Democrats however they all want to say but I'm going to give you a reason to think I can be that person. There has been a lot of policy coming from the right and healthcare. Here's why Bernie Sanders has successfully moved something perceived as socialism to the mainstream and now they're all in talking about Medicare for all so common. Here's comes out with his plan okay. I'm just going to play a little bit of her in in recent the last debate look she's. He's it's unclear. It looks like she's changed a lot and back and forth here she s who here would abolish their private health insurance in favor of a government run plan Medicare for all in my vision of Medicare fall include private insurance where people can have supplemental insurance okay so. I don't know what what really was going on there where she sure what that she wanted to. She's not sure now. We've got this plan. is she going to now show. I'm going to stick with it. I think she has two now and I think that it was smart for her to come out with this plan now because I think they understood that she was a little adrift because it wasn't just vad if it wasn't just that in the debate even before that she had told Jake one thing about where she was on medicare for all completely went back on it so this was very smart of her she needed to do it and frankly she's got to be ready for tax on both sides but if she isn't a place whereas Coun- said that she is kind of in the middle of people who think that Joe Biden is is way to the right on this or people who think that Elizabeth Warren is way to the left that might be the right place for her to be in terms of the overall Democrat Joe Biden and slamming her though Dr outside this new have it every which way approach that's fair. I'm not going to disagree although I will say that Joe Biden hasn't given us any approach look. I'm not that old but I'm old enough to remember when Medicare for all meant something it meant single google pair health care and the reason it has been so popular is because people realize that it is the best way to address the fundamental failing of our health system which is that we're relying on corporate for profit health insurance and take fifteen percent off the top make the overhead and healthcare super expensive love to the exclusion of five to ten percent of Americans and we pay more for health care mediocre outcomes than any other country in the world we can see Canada from here and there well the flag in the window but Paul yet we looked at her and that was not a Sarah Palin sued by the way but yet when you look at Medicare for all is one issue so I'm not trying to equate that fully with socialism but you have Bernie Sanders Democratic Socialist right policies that the Democratic Base Socialism is popular people think that makes sense but to the overall American electorate it is not so do they go too far left at their peril. Yes the first rule of a primaries. Don't say anything on that stage Tuesday Wednesday night. That's going to kill you in November two thousand twenty the last debate Miami every so comma one or Biden one donald trump won the last debate in Miami because too many of the Democrats took positions maybe out of great principle but still took positions that they cannot sell in November of two thousand eighteen raising your hand when your insurance or a healthcare for let me push back on that just for a second we're in downtown. We're in downtown Detroit. You can walk a mile in any direction and and these are folks who have been left behind by the debates that we're talking about and if we WANNA win it's going to be because we do a couple of things right most of all it's going to be because we pull out our base in communities like this and unless we're actually advocating for solutions that affect people's lives. We're going to miss that opportunity so we're having the same debate that we were having in two thousand sixteen about is the good or not good riots not turn out to be. It's not a turn out debate so we have to make sure that Democrats coming out of this primary are fired up over ideas that will actually affect their lives so that they stay out like never before in two thousand eighteen in the Metro and I know those Democrats Ronald Socialist mainstream middle and in fact the base actually isn't all for socialism if you believe the base as Latino voters African American voters fe are not there in terms of where socialists all right thank you all and next Republicans not exactly embracing the president's pick for the next director of National Intelligence well. How significant is that? Donald Trump is not above the law. He's not but he damn sure shouldn't be below the law which is we're volume. Two of this report puts him and that one the president over is Congressman John Ratcliffe ready to be the head of America's spies plus President trump choosing racial division as a strategy to win and twenty twenty team says that's what's about though after a black guy and that helps with his white bass and round two of the Democratic Debates Twenty Twenty candidate Andrew Gang on his debate strategy out front guys are terrible taking care of their health whether it's a knee injury bad back or something worse guys usually more comfortable comfortable Robinson dirt on it than seeing Dr. I'm guilty of it myself. The same is true for erectile dysfunction studies show seventy percent of guys who experience eighty don't get treated for it. Thankfully Roman created an easy way to chat with a doctor online with Ullman. 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GET ROMAN DOT com slash out front new tonight top Republicans not on board with the big trump move Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell and the number two Republican in the Senate John Thune tonight declining to back trump's pick for the powerful director of National Intelligence in charge of America's spy agencies Congressman John rackliff his name a nominee who democrats are blasting unqualified and partisan now if confirmed he would replace Dan Coats who clashed with trump during a lot of his two years as the D._N._a.. especially on Russia's meddling in the U._S. election coats in regards to state actions Russia has been the most aggressive for an actor no question and they continue their efforts to undermine our democracy. This is what the president said just three days later. My people came to me. Dan Coats came to me and some others. They said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin. So he just said it's not Russia. I will say this. I don't see any reason why it would be it was a statement. The president tried to correct by saying he meant to say wouldn't and then there was this moment when coates was seemingly caught off guard when he was told hold that the White House announced Putin was coming to the White House to visit the president. I do want to say we have some breaking news. The White House has announced on twitter that Vladimir Putin is coming to the White House in the fall after a few laughs that was all coats could say and then this okay. That's going to be special okay well. That was not something the president appreciated and then the two also disagreed on whether or not North Korea is denuclearizing <music>. We have made a lot of progress as far as denuclearization concerned we currently assess that North Korea will seek to retain its W._m._d.. Capabilities in his unlikely to completely give up up its nuclear weapons and production capabilities taking on trump has not been a successful strategy for professional longevity and this administration so coats departure is not a surprise surprise though too many is is who coats replacement is Republican Republican congressman. John Ratcliffe of Texas sources. Tell C. N.. N. that this was sort of in a sense a last minute thing because ratcliffe impressed the president with his questioning of Robert Muller last week trump calling him a quote warrior. I agree with the chairman this morning me when he said Donald Trump is not above the law he's not but he damn sure shouldn't be below the law all right out front now Phil mudd former CIA counterterrorism official David Urban Advisor to President Trump's twenty twenty campaign and a lobbyist who's worked on behalf of Energy Defense and transportation companies because we put it all out there David Okay so you're here with me so let's let's just start with you on. This president comes out with this. Obviously there was a lot of speculation coats was not long for this this administration but now he's these guys are being here two years and one hundred fifty days right but now you've got McConnell. Neither one of them are quick to say. Okay Mr President were behind you. They're not doing that. Why but listen? I think the Senate has a very important role here and their advice consent. Congressman classes is a very serious member. He's been a member of the House Intelligence Committee for six years. A prosecutor is he's done done very well by himself. In terms of any by the way is a prosecutor also worked on the <hes> counterterrorism task force so he he doesn't come to this seems to be jumping on their picky still make his case to make his case that he's going to be independent. I think people see the video they hear the narrative and they want to know. How are you going to be independent do you? Do you believe the Russians interfered. I think we ask those questions and they -firmative he'll sail through. What do you say when when you hear how David's laying it out obviously you know coats had what twenty years in Congress Congressman Ambassador Senator Senator <hes> Ratcliffe obviously doesn't have that same depth of experience but if you hear David he's laying outright prosecutor <hes> terrorism prosecutor? Is he qualified. I don't think that's the question I would ask. I'm almost almost and this is miraculous halfway David Look he's got some experience does not match people like James Clapper in terms of people who have had this position before it's not even close but look you can learn the job from the inside that is not the question I would have. The question I would have is given the partisanship of this member on the issues. The Intel community has with the President North Korea Iran Russia Saudi Arabia. Can you guarantee and David raises. Can you guarantee that this individual will not only speak the the true to the president. I'm not sure I would believe that but also they'll be public situations the F._B._i.. Director doesn't speech speak that much publicly director doesn't this job does will this person go out in public and say regardless of what the President says about North Korea rare Russia. I've got a different view. I'm not sure so and I would just say fill knows right the director of National Intelligence directs nothing is very his no operational control over any of the intelligence community. He has no say over. He's the King of an empire empire of his own status and as a matter another job doesn't matter but I think Phillip be the first to admit also deny doesn't doesn't direct the director doesn't direct anything. He's an important job though fell I mean yes like should we used to say this is big hat no cattle in other words you've got you've got a job but you don't have a lot of people the difference I would say in this case in addition to the public persona the opportunity to speak to the American public as this is somebody who's going to have access to the president which means the ability to say this is what we think about Iran or North Korea so I agree not a lot of influence within the community but the opportunity to go face to face with a man that is the president doesn't care L.. That's right. That's right so David. Let me ask you. This is important thing if you're McConnell in your thune something that you have taken the president on about has been the murder of Jamal Kashogi right Republicans took him on this. They said look crown. Prince's Saudi Arabia directed it because see Ya said that that's what they concluded. President United States is wrong <hes> they have not supported him on other things he wanted to do with Saudi Arabia as a result of that selling weapons etc so when this Guy Radcliffe Congressman Ratcliffe goes in his ask the question do you accept the assessment the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia directed the merger Mauka Shoji Eighty interesting city says right but let's just say he says so he says no and the president if he says yes goes against what is the president to the president could withdraws nomination if he deems unacceptable. It's up to those members of the Senate that's their job advice and consent to devote the guy down. He's got to make the case is going to be independent. He's going to speak truth to power and I think that's what the members of the Senate look to here so fell them. What happens at that moment that moment that the President I mean I'm just giving one example but I'm giving it for a very specific reason because Republicans have taken the president and on on that specific issue what is Ratcliffe? Do you know he's going to try to thread the needle and that's where I'm with David. I think this is really interesting. I'm not going into the hearing saying I'd vote them up or down. If I were ever God forbid a member of the Senate I'm going in saying I'm interested in his answers. If he threads to carefully I would sit back and say we're going to hear that when he's deny in the president's going to hear that when this individuals talking to him in the Oval I want to hear some. I want to hear some clear answers. I'm not sure we'll get them all right. Thank you both very much. I appreciate it fell David and next president trump thinks his racist rhetoric could help him win. Reelection a member of the Congressional Black Caucus Responds and Twenty Twenty candidate Andrew Yang is out front his debate strategy to break out from the pack. The newsworthy gives you all the day's news in less than ten minutes each weekday and there are stories about politics tech trends business and entertainment but it's more convenient and less depressing than your typical news. I call it fast fair and fund so. So it's fast it's less than ten minutes. It's fair and unbiased. I pulled from a collection of news sources. You get many different perspectives in one place. It's also fun high energy casual and upbeat quickly get informed and get on with your day with the newsworthy search for the newsworthy or go loaded then newsworthy dot com new tonight trump again slamming the house oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings tweeting quote Baltimore under the leadership of Elijah Cummings says the worst crime statistics in the nation twenty five years of all talk no action so tired of listening to the same old bull trump's tweets continuing a three day attack on Maryland Congressman Elijah Cummings trump attacking the powerful head of the House Oversight Committee Cummings Overseas currently no fewer than twelve investigations into the president and his his family and his business and trump picked a line of attack to feed his basis basis tendencies referring to come district overwhelmingly African American as quote disgusting rat and Rodent infested places. No human woman would want to live and don't take my comment about trump's base as a guess the Washington Post reports that trump's advisers concluded that attacks like these are quote good for the president among his political base resonating strongly with the white working class voters. He needs to win reelection in two thousand twenty. They said it they think slamming minorities black congressman will resonate with trump's white voters. That is a deeply ugly admission. Shen and infest is a word the president often uses when it comes to black and Brown people just the other day telling formerly American congresswoman to go back to the crime infested countries they came from invest has become sort of a trope for trump. Here's a couple of his past tweets. This one Democrats don't care about crime and want illegal immigrants. No matter how bad they may be to pour into an infest our country and of civil rights icon John Lewis Congressman Lewis should finally focus on the burning and crime-infested inner cities days of the United States infest is a loaded word throughout history and when people defending trump say well literally there are rats in Baltimore that shows a painful willingness to look the other way Abby Philip is out front at the White House for us tonight and the President's advisors clearly see this as a re election strategy and they see it as something that will resonate with their words is white working class voters. That's right Erin and in some ways they have no choice because this is a strategy that president trump himself has set out on when president trump. I attacked the squad his campaign reframed as a as an attack that was really about patriotism and native ISM UM and now here as you're seeing president trump attacking Elijah cummings his advisors are coming to his aid. We saw him also expanding his attack to people like Al Sharpton telling his supporters via twitter that Sharpton hates whites and hates COPs <hes> the president trump linked these two things together linked the cummings attacks and the squad's attacks together in a tweet this weekend he said if the Democrats are going to defend the radical left squad and King Allies Baltimore Fail it will be a long road to twenty twenty so president trump is making it plain that this is his path to re election <hes> but the question is can they reframe the cummings attack as some kind of native nativist attack. That's really about patriotism that I think remains to be seen Aaron all right abby. Thank you very much out front now. Democratic Congresswoman Brenda Lawrence of Michigan Member of the House Oversight Committee which of course is chaired by Congressman Cummings as I said and of course I'm here with you in in person in in your state art so you heard the re the reporting which which I thought was was quite profound because it was team trump saying that they think that things like this resonate with trump's white voter base. They said that they put the word white in there. Does it surprise you. They will admit that this racially charged talk they think is effective. You know if you look through history and and Times of Jim Kurl Times will we struggle with civil rights movement. There was always this effort to separate white American Black America. It's always been this effort to dehumanize black people so when you call them infested and you give them titles they're not as equal there is no human would wanna live exactly so therefore if you're living near your net hat human so I I just really don't want America and especially Black America to be sucked into this rabbit hole because this is a deliberate attempt I this president to get US distracted to start looking at our white neighbor Graham saying Wade men. Are you one of those people who think that way about us in America we have history lesson after lesson where people come together and this president is really trying to divide this country and suppress the vote because if he gets black people to say oh this country doesn't care about me is no don't vote and they don't all right so the latest F._B._I.. Days the president is saying that this is this is actually let's look at the facts. Yeah okay latest F._B._I.. Data Shows Baltimore had more homicides than any large American city in two thousand seventeen but Baltimore's a lot of crime problems right. We we know that that that is a fact in one of his tweets trump writes quote. There's nothing racist with Saint plainly what most people already know Dem's always play the race card when they're unable able to win with the facts Shane your response the president again he is the president of the United States of America Baltimore is a part of the United States of America. If he was a true leader his comment would be what can we do to fix this even if he felt they lies. You're coming was not a good leader. Where what do you offer Sir as the president of the United States? What have you offered to bring this country or what have you offer to reduce crime? What have you done to to enrich this country? Everything is about dividing every the tax cuts but then you don't want to raise the minimum wage to fifteen dollars so that all all ship's could rise and everyone could take part of the American dream so I'm trying you know you're at Michael Cohen's hearing back in February as part of the committee and there was a moment there that I thought was was. I don't know there was something poignant about this moment. Cummings defended Republican Congressman Mark Meadows who this is a big trump supporter meadows was essentially called racist because he brought one African American woman out and said look here she is this proves Michael Cohen's wrong. President trump is interrupted ignorant so it was ignorant. Yes Cummings the committee chairman and jumped into defend mark. His friend and I just wanted to play that moment you one of my best friends I know there's a lot of people and likewise but you are and I would do an and I can see and feel your pain are feeling. I have not forgotten that moment because I thought that was a moment where you could say someone. Elijah Cummings who's leading these investigations Mark Meadows who is completely on the other side and pro that they can say they're one of the best friends and defend and coming suspended metals the president the United States isn't just slamming cummings. He called him a racist basically saying well because your district isn't doing better your the racist Elijah Cummings. How does Mr Meadows need to speak out publicly for his friend? Mr Medals has a lot of demons. He has to address because I know metals as well. I've known him to be in the right place on so many issues and to be silent and to try to support this president as so many other Republicans are doing it is shameful and it's there has to be accountability for this because right is right wrong is wrong. You know what the gauges would you tell your children. I want you to be just like the president of the United States. I want you as my child to grow up in call. People names make racist comments you know the president of the United States is a role model. How many Republicans can say that and I appreciate your time congressman? Thank thank you thank you so much and out front next on the eve of the crucial democratic debates. The Bar is getting even higher for those looking to hang on candidate. Andrew Young is out front and the issue twenty twenty candidates say is the biggest. It's national security threat the cases. We gotta find who wrote this. No we do that. We find the killer this science defined out police. 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These are the moments it's early but they are crucial out front now Democratic candidate for President Andrew Yang and I appreciate your being with me and I see you in person streaming so today you announced you've qualified for the third debate and yours may not be a name that has full household recognition but you have a very loyal loyal following online following following you gotta get up in the polls with kind of that mass recognition. So how are you preparing for this debate to do that. We're thrilled for the opportunity. I actually spent much of the last ten years working here in Detroit. My Organization help create hundreds of jobs and Detroit is the ground zero for the automation of so many manufacturing jobs over the last number of years so we're going to use this debate as an opportunity to call out the economic transformation we're in the midst of and then propose real solutions like a freedom dividend of one thousand dollars a month which would be a game changer for the families here in Detroit and really across the country and you have laid out and I know obviously so here's the thing last time right. You didn't get a ton of talk time. Whatever reason that may be? What are you going to do differently this time so that you get out there and make that mess and make a point well the the great the great thing you just said it? We're now one of the eight campaigns to qualify for the debates not just this week but also in September and October so we have a real great opportunity not just this week but throughout the coming weeks to make this this case the American people we're in a fortunate position where we're not in desperation mode where many of the campaigns are in a bit of a Hail Mary Situation Lab Blah bomb just because and that's one of the unfortunate dynamics that we're in the midst of where it tends to degenerate into rehearsed attack lines because you're in a situation where you feel like your back's against the wall and that's not where our campaign is which makes me very very happy so when it comes down to obviously you know talktime isn't what it's all about right the last time it was three minutes. What Camilla had four times that amount Kamala Harris Joe Biden got a lot more than that so? Do you want a lot of time or you'd rather more time than less and as you know you're making the point of this universal basic income right thousand dollars a month. There's a lot of curiosity about that and you have to tell people about that yeah but do you want to be defined only by that well. It's certainly not a length of time talking contest. I mean you have to use your time to actually make real points the American people by the fact that we're in the midst of the greatest the economic transformation in our history and we need to solve the problems. I got Donald Trump elected in the first place. We're going to make those points. I'm sure this week and we're just thrilled to be here to have yet another opportunity to make the case the American people so you spent time in Detroit and as you said You you helped built rebuilt the Detroit you could see downtown. Detroit is a place they spend a Lotta time right and there's a lot more to be done but a lot of time has been spent people like you people like Dan Gilbert <hes> and you see that in some other cities Baltimore is one of them Baltimore Harbor. You look look at things over by Johns Hopkins. I'm I grew up in Maryland <hes> and yet there's a lot of problems in Baltimore and we all know that in the facts of the facts and they're not and they're ugly but the president says of Elijah Cummings Is District Right that Baltimore is disgusting rat and rodent invested. You also worked in Baltimore did well. There are problems in Detroit their problems in Baltimore the same time they're incredible individuals and organizations trying to make things better on the ground and that's really the challenge we have in front of us but it certainly not helpful for someone just to say Oh look at all the problems. I mean the reason why I've been working in these communities for the last eight nine years is because I believe we can do better and we can do better so when the president says it rat and rodent infested. What do you think I mean? Is that just blatant racism why well we have to stop running around after trump's tweets one of the things I'm saying is that look if you verify that he's donald trump for the thousandth time. That's not really like a game changer for for us. It's like he is who he is. We have to actually try and solve the problems on the ground that got him elected. That's the focus of my campaign and that's where in my opinion the entire field should be focused all right well Andrew Yang. I appreciate your time. Thanks very much all right. Don't miss the Democratic credit debates right here on C._N._N.. The first to live tomorrow night at eight o'clock eastern and coming up next the twenty twenty candidates on the issue they believe is key to beating trump and face off genie mos on what the smile behind the words may really mean remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash C._N._N.. It'll be one of the most important issues during the C._N._N.. Debates here in Detroit the climate crisis so Democratic candidate Jay Inslee of course has made this his single issue. He's now urging his twenty twenty rivals to make it their top priority rating into New York Times op ED quote putting climate. I is critical. We will defeat Donald Trump by attacking his failures on climate change not by running from the issue bill is out front every leading Democrat for president agrees. It's a simple question. What is the biggest threat to any what is? Who is the geopolitical threat to the United States to save life as we know it Senator Senator Booker Nuclear proliferation and Climate Change America must join her allies to fight world war see but first of well? I don't even call it. Climate change the climate crisis. All of them say the U._S.. Should rejoin the Paris accords but few have detailed exactly how they would stop humanity from cooking itself on fossil fuel less than half the field has put out a comprehensive climate plan and most of those are thin but the first came from Beta Aurora. We are announcing the most ambitious climate plan in the history of the United States to run against Ted Cruz for Senate last year he took individual all donations from oil and gas executives but he swore off their money this time and now vase to spend five trillion dollars to get America off of oil and gas he favors outlawing carbon pollution by twenty fifty while others prefer carbon tax we wanNA use innovation entrepreneurialism and new technologies for wind solar geothermal hydropower biofuels but Buddha judge and John Delaney would pass carbon tax money directly to you the greatest challenges we face in the future. We'll be over in technology intellectual property clean energy a warming planet Joe Biden caught grief from climate hawks for floating a middle ground approach and while his one point seven seven trillion dollar plant is vague he has Obama's green legacy to run on Elizabeth Warren is in for two trillion and wants to start the fight by forcing corporations to report exactly how much damage they're doing to the planet and then use that data to keep lobbyists his and lawmakers honest. It's twenty five years of corruption in Washington that we're paying for now. Cory Booker is a rare fan of nuclear energy and like fellow Senator Kamala Harris often emphasizes environmental justice for poor communities already being hit the hardest but the most detailed plan by far comes from Jay inslee other candidates might put it on their to do list that just is not of cutting the Washington governor would spend nine trillion created G._I.. Bill for displaced miners and fractures and force every new car to be one hundred percent zero mission by twenty thirty to him. Everything on the president's desk from from the economy to health to national defense is a climate issue. We can't tell China to solve the problem if we refuse to. We need to inspire them to act in the rest of the world and not give them an excuse for inaction action. Bernie Sanders has yet to release a detailed climate plan surprising given his decades-old Passion for the topic. He is a leading proponent of the green new deal also a plan big on ambition short on specifics but the young activists behind this call to arms are short on patience. The Sunrise Movement wants America off oil and gas fifteen years faster than Dato inslee and the rest this generation. It's great that the grownups on the stage are finally talking about their planet but if the threat is as bad as they say the ideas and urgency just too little too late eight bill we're C._N._N.. 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Communications Chief resigns, Trump said to be "very disappointed in him" for not improving press coverage; Trump claims "fraudster" Cohen "directly" asked him for pardon, Cohen says "just another set of lies" by president; U.S. added only 20,000 jobs las

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Communications Chief resigns, Trump said to be "very disappointed in him" for not improving press coverage; Trump claims "fraudster" Cohen "directly" asked him for pardon, Cohen says "just another set of lies" by president; U.S. added only 20,000 jobs las

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Trump's top message man this amid historically high turnover rate and the administration. How does Trump's spin his way out of this one and the president trashes Michael Cohen public obsessing about him in private who is telling the truth in this bizarre war of words over the pardon. Plus, the Trump Southie raising eyebrows tonight Trump picture, but the X owner of the spa linked to the Robert Kraft prostitution arrest Scott front. Good evening. I'm Erin Burnett out front tonight chaos at the White House. President Trump's deputy chief of staff his communications director is out and the move catching just about everyone off guard Bill shine was brought on to clean up the president's public image fresh from Fox News, but sources tell C N N Trump turned on shine questioning his judgment when there was no change in how the president was being covered. So Trump is shipping shine off to help advise on this twenty twenty campaign role to be determined. Apparently. They didn't know this was coming either. They got this guy coming in now. All right. Here's the thing. Bill shine, of course, came to the White House from FOX as I mentioned, he was a senior executive there. But the thing is when it came to his press coverage Trump cares about a lot more than Fox News. I could do the greatest thing in the world, and they would make it look bad. I could do between the Washington Post the New York Times ABC NBC CBS CNN is just ridiculous. Okay. Not ridiculous. Well, president knows it. And he cares. So deeply he is now come to realize that guy who used to run Fox News can't change the situation. Here's the thing about shine. It's just the latest to fail. The sixth person to have been named communications director since Trump was elected. It's gotta be historical record, you know, some lasting just days. We're talking about you, Anthony Scaramucci, others lasting a couple of months. No one even lasting a year. Bill shines ouster coming in part. Thanks. We handled the fallout over the longest shutdown in US history. Remember this shutdown? I will take the mantle I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not gonna blame you for the last time, you shut it down and didn't work. I will take the mantle of shutting down, and I'm gonna shut it down for border. But we will. I mean, it's really hard to blame Bill shine for that. Right. I mean, it's pretty hard for any communication structure to make the president look blameless after that. And it does not matter who has had the top communications job at the White House. They all had to deal with the president who created his own problems. Whether it's trying to spin why you siding with Russia over his own intelligence agency. I have President Putin. He just said it's not Russia. I will say this. I don't see any reason why it would be. Or attempting to explain Trump's response to the deadly white nationalist attack in Charlottesville, Virginia. That group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. And now if the president begins another search for another communications director, there may be only one person left that's up for the job. First name that. John barren a man who what how we sounds like President Trump because he is President Trump John barren was the name Trump used when he used to call reporters handling his own press in New York. No one else can do it. So he made up a name for himself. And did it how wonderful person he would be to date on and on and on? Maybe he's the communications director here. Kaitlan Collins out front live outside the White House and Caitlyn shines departure was very sudden very sudden. So sudden that it surprised a lot of people in the west wing who said they just been having conversations with Bill shine about upcoming events or him talking about reorganizing, the communications teams things that they did not believe indicated he was going to be on his way out. But aired one thing did Bill shine was scheduled to go on the president's trip to Vietnam last week but unexpectedly just about two days before that trip. He announced that he was going to stay back in Washington and no longer go on the trip, which raised some eyebrows. Among aids. Now in his statement today. President Trump praised Bill shine saying that he thinks he'll do good work on his reelection campaign. Actually, our sources tell us the behind the scenes, the president had been complaining about Bill shine saying that he brought him into get him better press coverage, and he's simply had not delivered on that. Now, you just raised several instances of why that could be difficult for anyone to get President Trump better press coverage, but even aides in the White House who liked Bill shine who enjoyed working with him question. What his media strategy truly was. And if it was going to revamp the comms team at all now the communications team, which has struggled throughout the Trump administration is still here. But now they're looking for someone else to lead it, and you just laid out how many people have had this job. And now people are wondering who is going to take this job and be the seventh communications director. Lucky seven. Thank you very much, Kaitlyn. Let's go now to Joan Walsh national fares correspondent for the nation, Scott Jennings. Former special assistant to President George W Bush and April Ryan White House. Correspondent for American urban radio networks, April you're at the White House day in day out. So we understand that you know, shine was in planning meetings. He was strategizing in in in communications in recent days. And all of a sudden, he he's gone gone to the twenty twenty campaign, which no idea he was coming. Did you have any indication shine was on the way out? Not really, but you know, with this president he sours on you fast, especially when his image is not turned around like he wanted. Bill shine basically failed up, and it was on fire me Friday once again when it happens, and basically Aaron what we saw when Bill shine was a he was trying to work with reporters. He was talking with reporters to try to change the image to soften the tensions between reporters and this president and the White House. You know, there's typically something called a friendly. Adversarial relationship that Mike McCurry the former press secretary for them Bill Clinton would call it. But there is such tension. And we even saw it Erin when the president started talking to reporters like myself, Abby Philip and others will we would ask them questions compared to what happened that November after the midterm elections? How he called us out? Just in the span of days me you Megyn Abby. So we saw a softening of the president. But it just wasn't working. So Bill shine was on fire me Friday. And so Scott, you know, look, the president turned on China are White House team is saying they the president. Decided he was ineffective not what he hoped for when he hired him. Look, this is the sixth person it would seem an impossible job. Right. Unless things, you know, someone can just, you know, make something that's black look white and white look black. It would seem an impossible job to do. Would. You. Would you take this job? I mean is this or not? Well, I think if the president calls you've got to have a conversation about it. It's high honor to be asked to be in public service by the president. I think the metric for deciding whether this person can succeed is really around what the scope of work is. And it strikes me that now that the president is in cycle, the two most important things he can tasked the next person with doing our amplifying the administration's good work on the economy setting up a war room to get their arms around all the onslaught of the congressional investigations, those two things are what the next communications director should be focused on day in and day out. It's a big government. There's a lot going on. It's easy to get distracted him bogged down. But if I were advising the president tonight, I would say somebody should be tasked with those two things. And if that's what they get done for you over the next year and a half that will be a successful tenure kind notice. She didn't say you would take it or not taking Scott might get a call. That's okay Joan. Here's the thing though, would Scott succeed or can anyone succeed other than John barren? Who by the way is one of the few. People you know, we're not allowed to do NDA's anymore. John barren alarming. Crazy. I mean, Trump does spends very little time actually doing his own job. So as the John barren figure he has plenty of time to be his own communications director. And I do think that that's kind of where we are. I mean, the choice of Bill shine in the first place was a little bit weird because he already has the FOX audience, but he's he's captured the FOX audience they've captured him, I don't know which way it goes, exactly. But he's got his little terrarium where people say most almost always nice things. He listens to them. He tweets about what they what what they say on FOX and friends, and what did he expect Bill shine to to do? He had no Bill shine was Sean Hannity's producer. He had no experience working with a broader non ideological diverse group of White House correspondents at cetera. So it was it was an odd fit to begin. With also Bill shine did not insult three black women as as April. He was referring to a little while ago. Bill shine did not call the Charlottesville white supremacist fine people. So Trump is is the reason he's getting crappy coverage Trump himself something. So here's the thing. When you look at this what I said, this is going to be the seventh person, whoever this person is Jason Miller. Sean Spicer, Mike Duckie, Anthony Scaramucci who picks. I mean, this is kind of absurd Bill shine served a long time. I mean, my gosh, look at those other numbers. It's pretty it's pretty grand, man. These might beg to differ here. I thought he said it was eleven days. Anyway, you get my point. How what is this? What does this mean April on a day-to-day basis when you have this kind of turnover? And you hit the nail squarely turnover. When you have that kind of excessive turnover in that job that is a critical job for any administration. You create the message you are the message to to come out on policy or whatever the president has to say, but when you have a president that defeats his own purposes who knocks his own self. I mean, it's hard to deal with that. I mean, I heard you recount, you know, putting your hands. You know, I heard Scott recount putting your hands around the issues of these investigations dealing with some of the other policy issues. But then when you have a president who goes out on Twitter, and when he says things just extemporaneously how do you help president like that this president is his own worst enemy? And then you know, you were talking about FOX, Fox News. You had a large portion to the was for the president. But you have others out there on FOX who aren't necessarily happy with the president. So that didn't do well for his image as well. Particularly when it came to the issue of the wall, you know, can we say an Coulter. So. The president is his own worst enemy, and no one can take this job successfully and win for the president Scott on top of this though overall top jobs in the White House. You've got a turnover rate of sixty five percent. You have people who had top jobs who stuck it out. There's some pretty grim moments like John Kelly, and we're now seeing memos that they wrote detailing what they thought were extremely concerning possibly. Illegal who knows right things that happened the general counsel, mister Mcgann, you have John Kelly doing this. Right. So even the people who've left they've done this. I mean, this is a big problem for this president, isn't it? Well, it will be a problem if they can't find a group of people to come in and take these jobs and sort of stay through the cycle. I mean he's in cycle right now. The campaign has started the democrat. You know inserted himself into the campaign. So right now, I think I would be focused on getting a group of people that I trusted that I gave a very defined scope of work to and that were largely going to sync up my White House with my campaign. You make sense. That's what people would do. But he has not had a team that he's been able to trust the trust him back that he if he has failed at that utterly to this point, which I think is is should be a noncontroversial statement to make with the turnover rate that he has why do you now suddenly think he's going to hire people give him a restrict mandate Lincoln up to the. I mean, you're acting like a normal strategist here. Well, I I hope I don't ever come on television and act like an abnormal anything. I'm dispensing the advice that I think would be useful. Here. The useful advice is you're sitting in a not terrible place. You're in the mid to high forties people like the economy the investigations are going to bog your timing approval rating east amplify, the good handle, the bad and sync up with your campaign. Look he's going to have a lot of advantages that incumbents have as long as is White House and his campaign or sinked up. And I think that it's possible. I mean, the alternative is just a stop trying. That's not that's not an option you have to try to get a team that you trust. And it can help you communicate the messages you want to communicate the person is out there. Someone is out there who can work with the president and not try to change him. But work with what they've got. I think that's the key is understanding you're not going to change him. You've got to try to work with what she ever fit in that Joan are his former assistant Rhona Graff in her role. Right. Michael Cohen for awhile hope Hicks and his own family and children. Right. Exactly. I mean, I think the larger point you're making Erin about the the overall turnover we haven't acting Defense Secretary. We don't actually have a Defense Secretary right now. He's secretary of the air force. Just quit this afternoon. Didn't get much news because Bill shine got all the news. But that's a big deal. She just started relatively recently. So it's not just the communications shop that's out of control. It's all a how many jobs is Nick Mulvaney, doing now, you know, he's really had a hard time putting together a team at every level. A new definition of jack-of-all-trades, and it comes to make them Nick literally. All right. Thank you. All and next President Trump says Michael Cohen past him directly for apart. No, this is now a really really bile were war of words between the two is it true. And if so why did the president wait until now to reveal it? New job numbers falling far short of expectations by Ronald Reagan's. 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Tonight, President Trump and his former lawyer Michael Cohen, a very public war of words over Cohen's denial that he ever asked the president for a pardon. My goal. Lied about the pardon. I've always stone cold lie. He knew all about parts as lawyers said that they went to my lawyers and as board, and I could go step above that. But I won't go to it. Now. Okay. So he waited an hour. And then he went a step above. And he did that any tweet about Cohen calling him, quote, a bad lawyer and a fraudster, and this is the this is the new and bigger claim, right? Because there he was saying, oh, his lawyers my lawyers in the tweet the president claims, quote, he directly asked me for a pardon. I said, no, she's a Michael Cohen asked President Trump for a pardon directly. That's the new claim for the president. Okay. That comes out Cohen hits Twitter as well. Responding quote, just another set allies by Podesta's, Mr President. Let me remind you that today's International Women's Day. You may wanna use today to apologize for your own lies dirty deeds. Two women like Karen McDougal. Stephanie clifford? Okay. Out front now democratic congresswoman Brenda Lawrence of Michigan. She is on the house oversight committee and she questioned Cohen during that hearing where he said I have never asked for nor would I accept a pardon. So congresswoman let me just first start with the developments today. The president calls. Michael Cohen, stole coal liar. Michael Cohen says the presence Aligarh. But the president is now said Michael Cohen directly asked him for a pardon. Not even through lawyers directly Cohen says that's alive. Who do you believe? Or I'm so glad to be on your show. Let's reel this back. It has been a consistent defining character for everyone that works for Trump. They are liars. Now, you roll that back to our president who has been a has not told the truth in if you want to really define it. He has been a liar from the beginning of his position as president and prior to. So it's very difficult. I will tell you be on house oversight. Our chairman, Mr. Cummings we are deliberately if you reviewing all of the testimony, including asking the intelligence community committee to look at all of the information because we're going to have to find some truth in this. It's very troubling because they both are documented liars. And so who's telling the truth is sitting back there saying this is ridiculous. Your both liars. Right. Okay. So you're absolutely right about that. But but to your point there are things Michael Cohen is saying that could involve criminality on behalf of this president that he sang is documentation for so I I just want to put the exclamation point on what you're saying. We're not just having a discussion about he said, he said who's a liar because it's fun. We're doing it. Because there's allegations being put out there by Michael Cohen that we need to find out if they're true. And if they can to prove that so to look into something specific as to whether it's ally is important in that context and. Record yet. Because also the president now has crossed that road of releasing client attorney privilege conversations. And so that's another interesting level that we as the committee of oversight. We're looking at that as well that is a very thin line. And he has breached that line, and we must hold our witnesses accountable. But remember he's already had been convicted a lying to congress. So it it continues in the president continues. I can't tell you how frustrating this is to have the responsibility to provide oversight for a whole slew of people who don't know truth is, regardless of what the truth ends up being in this case, the president saying Cohen asked him directly is it could be, you know, it's it's an attempted masterstroke. Right. Because that's something that maybe unprovable, but it raises the specter of the question, Mark and perha-. That's why he's doing it at this time when it comes to Cohen you were there in the room as you say when Colin denied ever asking the president for apart, and I wanna play that again. I have never asked for nor. Would I accept a pardon from President Trump? Now, of course, Cohen spokesperson and his attorney. Lanny Davis admits Coen did Abbas lawyer explore possible pardon with Trump's lawyers again, not even getting into kill Conan Trump directly. But he did direct his lawyers to have a conversation with Trump's lawyers. I mean is there any way that that isn't ally? What Michael Cohen said, you know, it's it's all these levels of untrue. So Cohen could sit there and say, I personally, I think his comment was I never asked the president. It was his attorney who had their conversation. So here's a level of is a gray. Did he do it? Or did his attorney asks them. So is it true? The I never had that conversation. It is. It's very misleading. But this is the culture, and this is a character of Cohen in this also the character of the president. I want to give you a chance to respond to something. The president said today about the anti semitism issue going on in congress you supported house resolution yesterday that condemned anti-semitism and also other forms of bigotry which had started out specifically as a resolution focused on anti-semitism because of comments by the democratic congresswoman Ilhan, Omar that were widely criticized as antisemitic, but in the end, it was not just about anti-semitism, which would have been targeted her. It got watered down to focus on a much broader sense of a bigotry. Here's what the president had to say about the resolution today. The Democrats have become an anti Israel party. They become an anti Jewish party. And that's true. And that's your reaction congresswoman, I will. I will push back on the resolution being watered down. I feel. It was enhanced when the resolution was initially presented as solely being about antisemitic comments. We were very concerned as a caucus that. We're putting out this statement when there's so many other 'isms, and there's so many beliefs that we have is a party, and we force the issue from the black caucus. We forced the issue from them the members who were Muslim to say, we are persecuted in their people or saying things, you know, our president my goodness. How many times have we heard it from from king from others who make comments in congress? But they're wet. Condemning white supremacy because of comments made by Steve king. And that was specific. And it was about. That's why I that was in Hance. It was not watered down. It was enhanced because if we as a congress or gonna say this is unacceptable. We do not want antisemitic. Comments mate, we do not want white supremacy in racist remarks mate, we don't want someone being persecuted because of their religion if they're Muslim if they're Hindu. And so it was a statement that we as a caucus it. We have to stop responding to everyone that is that are making inappropriate comments or racist comments. Who are we as a caucus? So I felt this this resolution that I voted for was stronger and addressed the issue, and it puts it out there and covers it all all right at because of the resolution was changed though to to condemn other 'isms as you say. Right. It was no longer specific specifically about antisemitic things like it support for Israel is all about the Benjamins and other things that had initially started out as right? The president says that that is because your party is anti Jewish. The president is very very wrong. He's not saying say, something, that's truthful. We did include in that statement. It was not taken out. It clearly states that we as a democratic caucus stand against any antisemitic comments actions, and we are clear, and I put out a press statement is not so much. What you say? But what you do. And we we must understand that one of the things that happened in twenty when we in twenty eight teen we now have a very broad and very diverse caucus. The most diverse we've ever had in congress, and we this. Why is this statement need it because we have people coming from all walks of life with different experiences. And so we needed to come together as a caucus and put down a marker and say, this is who we are. This is what we stand for. And also to let anyone know if you're making anti semitic comments that. It is unacceptable for the democratic caucus. And we are on record saying that and we're going to hold people accountable for that. All right. I appreciate your time. Congressman laurence. Thank you. You've been happy International Women's Day with very proud of you. You're amazing woman. No, thank you. That is very kind of you that is very kind of you to say, thanks and next job creation grinding almost to a halt, the former budget director under Reagan warning. It may only get worse with Trump why he's out prime plus this President Trump hinting pardon could be in the works. I'm not talking about co. And now, I'm talking about whole Manafort. I feel very badly football Manafort, I think it's been a very very tough time. I'm Biagio Messina. And I'm joke seen we're the producers behind HSEN television documentary series unmasking killer. Join us as we explore the identification capture and arrest of Joseph James, Di Angelo the alleged Golden State killer in a special ten part podcast series unmasking killer, all new episodes premiering Tuesday. February twelfth subscribed today at apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Tonight, a huge mess. There were only twenty thousand jobs added in the United States last month that fell short of every single economists estimate. It is the worst number since September of two thousand seventeen front now, David Stockman, former budget director under Ronald Reagan and author of peak Trump the untrainable swamp and the fantasy of mega and Stephen more informal White House advisor and author of Trump nominee. I don't think I need to explain who's who's on what sites. David let me start with you. The Bloomberg headline today said today's big miss is a shock and quote, the dawn of a long forecast slowdown. We'll I think one month doesn't mean anything they get revised all the time. A lot of noise, but I look at the trend. Trump's had twenty six monthly report cards now from the B L S average monthly gain one hundred ninety nine thousand jobs, the last twenty six months of Obama average gain two hundred and fifteen thousand jobs there. There's been no acceleration. There's no Trump boom. The only thing that's happening is the business cycles getting older and older. And we're near the end. In other words, we're month. One sixteen records one nineteen in the nineteen ninety s when it was a much better economic environment. So we are heading for a recession, and we have had policies that are upside down in terms of where we should be going Trump inherited a seven hundred billion dollar deficit for this year. That's bad ten years into a recovery. He added five hundred billion for his tax cut eighty billion a defense. Sixty billion a domestic all disaster aid that wasn't financed. And so we're going to borrow one point two trillion this year at the at the end of a boom at the end of a boom at the top of a cycle. We're going to have a recession. Nobody is outlawed. Recessions? There is no acceleration. I just pointed out that other than the sugar high of the second quarter last year. Real final sales for the eight quarters under Trump are two point five percent under the last and not a lot a lot in here. Steve, look, he's right. One point two trillion dollars. You're not you're not supposed to be in this situation. When things are good. When things are bad is when you're supposed to be borrowing all the money. But no, that's not the way. Things are what's your response? Well, I'll certainly agree with you that things are good. I mean, my goodness Erin, it is true. This was a very lousy number in terms of new jobs created, let's not bury the headline here that we have the lowest unemployment rate for women, and what fifty years, we have seven million more jobs today the workers, and by the way, I think you both know. The use of the women headline. That's right. We love it, by the way, black and Hispanic unemployment is also at a record low. But, you know, one of the problems we have David with the economy, as you know, is it's booming so much that literally ask any employer just about any state in the country. Ask them what their biggest problem is. It's finding workers. Basically what we're finding right now. In terms of the economy is we just can't find the workers to fill all the jobs, we have seven million jobs surplus. That's more than the entire population of Indiana. Okay. By the way, David I've known you a long time, I respect you. But you've called like, you know, seven of the last two recessions, I remember when you first started talking about your doom and gloom in the mid eighties. The Dow was at twenty five hundred today, the twenty five thousand well, the point is we do have recessions they haven't been outlawed at the very end of a long recovery. The weakest one in history, we have now got this enormous deficit build up we have the fed finally belatedly trying to normalize a little. Bit. We have a world trade economy that's slowing down dramatically. China was down ten percent. I two months a Korea's now nineteen percent. So we are going to have a recession. It will come next year or the year after no doubt about it. And we will have a two trillion dollar deficit. We will be adding ten trillion or twenty trillion to the national died. Never case sick. They make me sick as a citizen and as a parent, but you you actually use words David to describe what you're talking about. What you say is an assault on on this country's future delusional unhinged madman that used to describe the president's not a psychological prognosis or diagnosis. I'm sorry. But this is your your view of his his treating of the economy. He has of course, how else could you describe someone who comes in with a two trillion dollars tax cut on finance? Most of it went to corporations who are using it to buy back stock and do emanate heels we have not had any acceleration in real business investment. As a matter of fact in the last four or five months orders have been down. So what we did was we spent one hundred eighty billion this year on the rate cut and other business reductions, we got eight twenty billion nine in business investment. So you're gonna spend one hundred eighty billion. You don't have on a credit card to get twenty billion of. Return on investment, Steve your response to hinged madman. Maybe I'm looking at a few different statistics than David is. Because look the business investment is healthy. It was seven percent last year. Year-over-year that was one of the strongest numbers we've had in a decade. Look, I will agree with David Stockman on something that it is true David that the economy is slowing down you. We had four percent growth in the middle of two thousand eighteen and we had two and a half percent growth in the fourth quarter of two thousand eighteen and now this quarter is looking Aaron maybe one to one and a half percent. That's a slowdown. But here's where I disagree with. This is a key point. I think that that is just killing the Konami right now those interest rate hikes that took place in September. And December have just pulled the oxygen out of the economy at a time, by the way, we had four percent growth. No inflation, the lowest unemployment. In it. It's so good tax receipts are down twenty percent as economic growth is coming down. That's just not the way you would learn in macroeconomics timing. All the time. But Steve we cannot be beating up on the fed. When is related Lee trying to give the interest rate above the inflation rate. We've had ten years of negative real interest rate. Why when we raise interest rates place. No one place in the economy. I don't know what no inflation to you're talking about the running average. The last three months that consumer price index has been negative in commodities temper Gary picky. The last six months CPI's two point two percent is. That is sides. That you can't have an interest rate in the federal phone. That's barely positive or the budget director, David it was the Kadhamy. According to Congressional Budget Office can be six trillion dollars larger over the next decade. Then before when we pass that tax cut six trillion dollars, a digital GDP. I think that's a pretty good investment. I don't think it adds up too much in two hundred trillion GDP over ten minutes sixteen a quarter of the level of the current national debt. I mean, I know I may be one of the few. One and a half trillion dollar Kibo next President Trump claims Paul Manafort judge says there's no collusion. The problem is that is not true. Plus, President Trump pictured with the former owner of the spa. That Robert Kraft was bad for things that had nothing to do with being spot. Who is she and how to Chand up next to the pets? Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN new tonight. Trump's false claim the president saying something that is blatantly untrue. I feel very badly for call. I think it's been a very very tough time for him. But if you notice both his lawyer, they highly respected man, and a very highly respected judge the judge said there was no collusion with Russia. Okay. The judge did not say that judge Ellis. Simply did not say there was no collusion with Russia. That is because the trial that he was presiding over was not about collusion with Russia. It was about Paul manafort's tax and Bank fraud. It had nothing to do with Russian collusion. And that is why judge Ellis said Manafort wasn't on trial for or convicted of anything to do with rush, including in the presidential election. Because the question of collusion remains under the purview of the special counsel, Robert Muller. But the words no collusion matter deeply to this president and Paul manafort's lawyer for one knows that. What you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one. There is absolutely no evidence to pull Manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from Russia. Can that's not what the case was about. And it didn't conclude that because it wasn't about collusion out front. Now. Republican congressman from Ohio, Mike Turner. He sits on the house intelligence committee. She's been looking at all these issues from a different investigative perspective. Good to talk to you, congressman we all know, the president says no collusion on a daily basis its core to his his self definition at this point to say that the question for you, though, is do you think that these comments from Paul Manafort lawyer were a direct plea to the audience of one to the president for a pardon? Well, I would be high speculation. But Aaron this case was about collusion because that's how this investigation began. Can't wait. Can't wait case is correct. Which it's great that you're making that point. But this whole thing from inception came from reviewing whether or not there was collusion between the Russian federation and the Trump campaign in which Manafort was a part of. So you can't hit it. They're not related because they certainly are related now what we know is not char Muller is doing on the collusion front, right? This was a chart. Refinish? I was going to we have to wait for the Muller campaign. Does must use me the Muller investigation to be completed. But I think it is. Absolutely incorrect to say that this has nothing to do with with collusion in this case because it began out of that investigation. There were no charges in. This was ruled on congressman you, and I both know was Bank fraud and tax fraud. It was not. There's no collusion. As a result of that trial is thought I haven't said what I've said, though, it is that you can't say that this has nothing to do with the Muller investigation or Russia, the issue of collusion because this is what it came out. And that was Moeller began its investigation looking at Manafort looking at whether or not there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian federation this case where they prosecuted him for financial transactions or what came about. Now, certainly part of what you suspect is where is that case where are those individuals from the Trump campaign from the Trump side that have been charged and no one has no one has been charged with colluding with Russia again as you and I would point out when we've had these these interviews before the molar investigations not yet complete and we'll have to wait to see what that says. But to this date, it no one has been charged on the Trump side of the Trump campaign would colluding with Russian federation that certainly is accurate from this case that came out. Simply pointing out that that's not what this was about. So to say that the conclusion from this was no collusion is a false statement that that's what I'm saying. Similarly, it would be false to say it has nothing to do with it. And then it didn't come out of it. Because that's how it started. But no one. This was the rush investigations speeding something I didn't say, well, it sounded very close to that to me. And I just want to make sure that that's clear that these are related is this has nothing to do with rushing investigation collusion. It actually came directly out of it. Okay. But again, that's not what I said what I said was this case, then we agree this, this this case this verdict that came out this charge and the sentencing was not about Russian collusion. Nothing has been concluded that wasn't what was tried that wasn't the evidence. That was presented that wasn't anything to do with. What went on in that court in Virginia? Well, again, you can't it was nothing to do with what went on court because it came out of the Russian. The guy's been defrauding the government of millions and millions of dollars and committed Bank fraud. So they charge him for that. So if that's what you're saying is it came out of a Russian collusion about him. But they did not charge him with any collusion or and working for the Russian federation with respect to the Trump campaign. We've not seen any of that. With the molar investigation concludes. But I think it is it is unfair to say that this has nothing to do with it because it came out of it. And you would have thought that there would have been charges at this point against Manafort. If there was some expectation that they were going to be charges against him for collusion. We certainly have not seen that. But I'm with you. We'll wait until we see what the complete report from the Muller. Investigators. You talk about your investigation, which I know you have been obviously a part of our long time your committee interviewed Michael Cohen behind closed doors this week. And you're now raising concerns about a series of meetings that apparently happened before that the Cohen have at the chairman of your committee, Adam Schiff and other democratic staffers. Congressman Jim any evidence of these meetings. What they were about how long were they what happened. You know, it's very considering your now we have reportedly Lanny Davis coming forward. The attorney for Michael Cohen and saying that were four trips to New York, and then these meetings face to face meetings occurred over ten hours in preparation for his testimony, some of which the public, and we all got to see before government and oversight. That means it his his preparation for his testimony before his public testimony was longer than his testimony. If you look at at that the government oversight hearing, you probably the Democrats questioned him for three and a half four hours in public and over ten hours in private now that certainly is very concerning. Because that's when you cross the line between a professional investigation to professional orchestration when you get to the point where people are actually looking at questions of theatre are you guiding the witness or are you coaching the witness? There's a lot that happens when you talk about over ten dollars an hour. I could see an hour. These are logistics is how it's going to work. This is the subject matter. But when you're over ten hours, you're like way past anything that? Orchestration, you know, saying it could the cross the line there. Do you have any direct evidence to suggest that chairman shift or any of the Democrats were directing Cohen of about what to say how to answer questions? Do you have any evidence that that occurred? And I think that's what those are questions that you need to ask them shift because we had tons of questions whether or not the president had asked co into lie, which he answered no he did not. But in this instance, you know, what did the shift team and over ten hours say to him? What did they suggest him? Did they did they like certain ways in which he said things some things topics that they wanted to go into further did it guide them and making certain Cohen had the answers that they wanted. This is ten hours of face to face meetings with Cohen with the public to see him for seven in public that crosses the line. That's not professional that's questionable conduct. And I think the Democrats in an atmosphere of need to answer the questions what happened during those ten hours because no one else was president wasn't bipartisan. It was just his staff. I think their questions to be answered there. So just on your point there about it, not being bipartisan, obviously, you know, as you pointed out, it was chairman chef and democratic staffers. Lanny Davis is comment though, was that it's completely appropriate. He would have done. On the same thing for Republicans. Had they asked referring to Michael Cohen he told that to the Daily Beast. So basically saying you guys didn't ask if you'd asked he would have met with you to did. Did you ask, you know, that's not truly not apples and apples. That's on the comparison. Because in this instance, certainly if people had known, even when the he was testifying before the government oversight committee that he'd already had ten hours of democrat preparation, certainly I think people would have wanted to be present there. I think it should have been pipe partisan because the dangers are just too great. I could see him spending over ten hours with his own longer. But when he spending over ten hours with Adam shifts staff and talking to Adam Schiff on the phone as you said that he did that the government oversight hearing you get into the danger zone of what's happening with his testimony. What manipulation what communication and guidance is happening with Michael Cohen that the public and certainly part of the investigation never gets to hear congressman Turner. I always appreciate your time. Thanks. And next this photograph raising eyebrows tonight, what is the president doing with the former owner of a spa linked to prostitution allegations against the owner of the New England Patriots Trump's friend Robert Kraft at presidential candidates who happened to be millennials using age to their advantage. Tells me to be quiet. The case is we gotta find who wrote this. No, we do that. We find the killer. This science defined out. Police used Luminol a chemical which close when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood that drama, but where was the rifle, and which man was telling the truth forensic files. The legendary true crime show is now a podcast. Join investigators as they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools. Subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes every Monday and Thursday, you'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix. New tonight, I picture of President Trump smiling with the woman you see there in the front of the picture at mar-a-lago on Super Bowl Sunday is raising eyebrows tonight. It's kind of like hard to to get your head around this one. Okay. Because you look at this picture, and it's isn't Super Bowl Sunday. Now, let me tell you who she is. She's the founder of the Florida spa where New England Patriots owner and Trump friend Robert Kraft was allegedly or was caught allegedly soliciting sex. And get your head around. It. There's this is new reporting tonight from the Miami Herald. And this is not the first time she is coming into President Trump's orbit. Jason Carroll is often. Dave is league. She goes by Cindy, she's been spotted with a who's who of video P, including the president sons that mar-a-lago Kellyanne Conway at the inauguration and Sarah Palin. But it's this Sophie gang took with President Trump at a Super Bowl watch party. That's raising eyebrows Yang is the former owner of the orchids of Asia day spot the massage parlor where Florida authorities say they caught New England Patriots owner and Trump friend Robert Kraft on camera paying for oral sex. He's being charged with the same offenses as the the others. And that is so listening another to commit prostitution craft denies any wrongdoing. According to the Miami Herald Yang no longer owns orchids Asia, the publication reporting she sold it back in two thousand thirteen CNN repeatedly tried but was unable to regain for comment. She did speak with the Miami Herald. But sit an answer the. Question of whether she knew that there was sex happening. She's simply told us that she's no longer in the spa business. She doesn't know President Trump, and she's planning to move to Washington DC. It should be noted Yang was not charged in the anti human trafficking bus that led to Mr. meaner charges against craft and the closing of several spas in south Florida. The White House declined to comment on Yang. But President Trump did speak about the charges against craft. Well, it's very sad. I was very surprised to see it. He's proclaimed his innocence, totally. And but I I surprised to see him as per Yang. She donated upwards of thirty five thousand dollars to the Trump campaign or Cording to E filings. She's a self made entrepreneur who according to the Miami Herald showed little political interest before the two thousand sixteen election in that she had not voted in the ten years prior. Again Yang has not been charged with any wrongdoing. It's just the optics of her being in that picture with the president and this indirect connection to the spa. And also there is an update with crap that we should tell you about to crap actually we'll have to appear in person for that arraignment. That's going to be a March twenty eighth. So they've been adamant they won't, but they will. But they will. Can't get my store, and it just keeps someone around this one. Okay. Thank you Jason. And also tonight he's still gets carded when he tries to buy beer, but he's running for president of the United States. Jeff Celanese out front. People have sometimes especially here in Iowa. A little too polite to ask the question of why seven Thirty-seven-year-old mayor thinks he has any business being in a discussion about the highest office in the land. That's precisely the question facing Pete Buddha. Judge the youngest candidate in the presidential race. He's the mayor of south bend, Indiana now turning heads as the Dacia Asli is the White House. How can you make the argument that you're ready to be president? So I know you don't expect to hear this from the youngest person in the conversation. But my simplest answer is experienced. I know there's more conventional path involves marinating in Washington for ten or twenty or forty years. But actually think we want Washington to begin looking more like our best run cities and towns, not the other way around does to weapons we touting his youth as a virtue in his biography filled with the list of firsts the fact that I'm a veteran that I'm young that I'm in the same sex marriage. Those are important parts of who. I am. But that profile just gets you a look the real question is once people take that look what did they see? And what? What are they hear Democrats are giving him a look, but as challenges to be seen as a serious candidate on a crowded stage. He's at the forefront of a new generation of leaders who have little appetite to wait their turn. As even Democrats not constitutionally old enough to seek the presidency. Like, congressman Alexander. Oh, Kazuyo Cortez. Twenty nine is also influencing the party on the campaign trail Buddha. Judge is not the only millennial in the race. I don't know about you guys tells me to eat, quiet. Hawaii congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard is also thirty seven and an Iraq veteran who was building her candidacy around foreign policy that is the change that I seek to bring to this country of bringing these uniquely American ideals of pudding service before self that come from my heart as a soldier, she still explaining the 2017 meeting with serious, President Bush are L Assad. I'm deeply sorry. And as apologized for what she now calls wrong and hurtful statements where she worked for an anti-gay group. Two young congressman also exploring a White House bid thirty eight year old Eric swallow, California and forty year old Seth Moulton of Massachusetts, highlighting a divide with Joe Biden. And Bernie Sanders nearly four decades older it's become a ready made punchline at least for the younger candidates. I understand the audacity of running for president at my age. Especially because sometimes downstairs all still get carded when I order a beer. Judge Gabbard and others part of a new generation of political leaders who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, but they're also the first millennials to run for president. Now, he says the constitution settled the question of age. You must be thirty five, but voters, of course, we'll have the final say, Erin. All right. Jeff. Thank you. And the town halls are on Sunday night at seven eastern here on C. N N Anderson starts next.

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Trump claims he disagrees with racist chant that echoes his tweet; 2020 Democrats slam Trump for standing by as crowd chanted "Send her back", echoing his racist tweet; Trump: U.S. destroyed Iranian drone in Strait of Hormuz

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Trump claims he disagrees with racist chant that echoes his tweet; 2020 Democrats slam Trump for standing by as crowd chanted "Send her back", echoing his racist tweet; Trump: U.S. destroyed Iranian drone in Strait of Hormuz

"It's an age of your seat. Thrill ride that will change overseas forever. The movies Sundays Nine P._M.. On C._N._N.. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses visits any today at Xeni Dot dot com slash C._N._N.. Out Front next president trump says he didn't like the racist chant at his rally but that chant was based on his racist tweet so does he really mean it plus the U._S. brings down in Iranian grown with tensions escalating what happens now and heartbreaking story that you won't see anywhere else father stop at the border unable to see his daughter in the United States and when he finally is allowed in it's too late. Let's go up front good evening everyone. I'm Kate Baldwin in for Aaron Brunette out front tonight. The tape doesn't lie president trump trying to rewrite history as the backlash grows over the racist send her back chant at his rally directed at Congresswoman Ilan Omar the president now insisting he didn't like it when you're supporters last night. We're counting chanting sent her back. Why didn't you stop them? Why don't you ask them to stop saying well number one I think I did I started speaking very quickly it? It really was a loud I disagree with it by the way but it was quite a chant and <hes> I felt a little bit badly about it but I will say this <hes> I did and I started speaking very quickly. We'll stop them if they try to do it again. Well I did like that they did it and I started speaking very quickly. I started very quickly very very quickly. That is contradicted by the video. Just Watch Omar has a history <music> of launching vicious antisemitic screens. They talked about the evil Israel and it's all about the Benjamin's not a good thing to say thirteen seconds champ went on and the president didn't stop. It seemed to Soak Soak it in that's not speaking very quickly at all. That's letting them finish before you continue on your attack and if the president would like to know how you shut down a racist remark that might happen at a rally or at any presidential event. This is how you do it. I can't trust Obama. I have read about him and he's not his now. He's he's an Arab. He is not Noman Noman. He's a he's a he's a decent family. Man Citizen that I just happened to have disagreements with on on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about. He's not thank so. There's that but no matter what the president it says today let's be clear about one thing didn't start last night. That chant clearly didn't come out of thin air. It started with his tweet four days ago. They got the champ from the president also noteworthy the president has tried this this before and I'm talking about the last rallying cry from his rallies lock her up here he is in two thousand sixteen when I started talking about Hillary Clinton the veterans who saw her twenty four hours before started screaming locker up locker up locker up and I said don't do that now. I didn't do that for any reason I really. I didn't like it and they stopped. They really did not as we well know because that is still happening in fact it just happened at his rally in Florida last month stopping them there. We've been here before so it is somewhat hard to believe that the believe the president when he says he's suddenly offended by this chant at his rallies. Now Panel Brown is out front live outside the White House Forest Pamela. Why is the president tried to pretend that he tried to step in when he clearly didn't and did nothing when those chance continue well kate after pressure from allies of president trump is now saying he disavowed that centreback chant at his rally last night guided made sure he claims that it didn't last long but there's no going back because video tells a different story showing as you point out thirty seconds of the Chad growing louder and louder as the president stood and listened before speaking again now defenders not didn't join in on the chance for the president told the audience just minutes later Kate to tell the four progressive democratic congresswoman to leave if they don't like him or the country now the president of course could have come to the opinion he did like the chant upon reflection today but we have learned that many people miss inner circle including his daughter Ivanka expressed concern to the White House into the president himself that the chant could come to find another dark and racially charged campaign the president also kate dismissing the idea that he himself set the stage for the chance with his racist tweet a few days ago the four congresswoman dubbed the squad should go back to the crime infested countries where they came from now we should note the women have made controversial statements in the past including about Israel and Immigration and White House defenders they are quick to refocus the conversation on exactly exactly that kate their politics not their race claiming that the radical and socialists and that could be a window into trump's twenty twenty strategy to make the four women as the base of the Democratic Party now take on people's positions all you one but don't take when you take him on with hombres? That's when you get into where he is right. Now thanks family. I appreciate it off tonight. Democratic Congresswoman Brenda Lawrence of Michigan Carson when thank you for being here. Thank you so much kate. The President says that he wasn't happy with the chance chance at Israeli last night. You heard pam SG reporting. He said he disagrees with it if he really is disavowing those and his own remarks is that good enough for you know it's not <hes> you know listening to the crowd and I have repeatedly heatedly told friends of mine what scares me more right now. In America is not so much donald trump but the masses of people who seem empowered by his races his <hes> just really really hateful comments and people are just soaking that up so when you look at history being a black woman in America and knowing there was a time where they would have gatherings of people in Lynch black people and it was considered a social event knowing that the Nazis used to gather up human beings and murder them and people embrace that in cheered on those leaders. This says what's so scary about this we are in a democracy. We have freedom of speech we can engage in dialogue and we should this this amazing democracy we have was not built on a Republican Agenda Org Democratic agenda it was the two parties coming together just ironing out their differences and producing some of the best laws and policies in the world but when we start addressing people people and and and using these racist comments that's where the fear factor comes in. That's where this releasing of. It's okay for you to attack another person what does going back to another country. What are you saying as a young black girl? I remember hearing those racist remarks on the playground. You monkey go back to Africa that is real. This is not a joke and he may not like it. But what are you're going to do about it. Mr You mentioned you said the masses our play for you what the president said kind of his message to his supporters would be because he was asked today what his message is to his supporters who were chanting chanting that last night he played well. These are people that love our country. I want them to keep loving our country and I think the congresswomen by the way should be more positive than the what are you say that I say to that. If you love this country then you love the diversity of it you can't love America not appreciate that the greatness of this country is based on this this this influencing in and contributions of people from all over the world that came together to call this place home so loving America does not mean that you exclude people loving America means that you embrace this democracy and you know I will say to anyone you have the right to support Donald trump if you think his policies are one that will move this country for you have that right and I do not demonize anyone to be in that stadium him say that's my guy for president but what I will say is that when you start chanting and embracing this thing of attacking and using racist rhetoric and laughing and cheering as if that is America that is not America and we must stand up against it we cannot allow it. There's been some dark times in America and we always stood up against it in stopped it and got us get this country back on track. One thing that has come out of this this week and what's happened with the tweets and this was before the chance is the impeachment vote on the House floor. You were one of the ninety five Democrats who voted in support of the impeachment proceedings that were voted on yesterday against against President One hundred and fifty seven Democrats did not go with you on this so did this effort backfire. I will serve to Congress to to speak truth to power. I was sent to Congress not ought to join the club I was sent there to represent the people and fight for the people I am confronted daily of how this president has disregarded the laws and policies. I'm on government oversight. We're conducting inducting hearing after hearing after hearing I have been confronted with a president who who has broken so many rules we have criminal investigation why Democrats not but with you on that I will tell you where my vote was. It is time for us in America like we have repeatedly for Democrats and Presidential Democrat and Republican presidents that we we see this type of blatant disregard. For Rules and policy that we begin investigation I continue to say that I stand by that and if this investigation does not find this president guilty then he will be exonerated but I cannot cannot sit here knowing the oath of office in the Constitution that says this power rest in Congress and I feel that we should go forward with the impeachment hearings congresswomen. Thank you so much for being here appreciate time. Thank you so much L. Front for us next the two thousand twenty candidates slamming president trump for the racist chant at his rally as well horrific. It's bile. It's it's vile. It's it's offensive find Louis but Willie reelection strategy rooted in racism work in twenty twenty plus the U._S. Navy destroys and Iranian Brown leaks after the Iranians did the same thing. Where does this go next plus? 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GET ROMAN DOT com slash out front despicable vile and a new low the Democrats running to face President Trump and twenty twenty united today all slamming him for his rally last night night where he continued a lengthy attack on four democratic congresswoman of color and stood by supporters chance stood by as supporters chanted sent her back. It was despicable to stand attack those for for women in the way he did. It's horrific. It's vile it's vile. It's offensive finding new lows a front now. Robust Rayo member of President Trump's twenty twenty reelected visor is were council and former Clinton White House aide Keith Boykin. Thanks guys for being here. I got a lot to get to rob. How can he say that he is not happy about the chance and he disagrees with a chance and that he tried to stop the chance when he didn't? They got it from him. Well L. Look Crowds. Get Out of control. Sometimes you've ever been to a ranger's game as I have or any big auditorium when things start and if you've been speaking advice spoken big events like this it takes a while to understand what's being said Okay and you're also thinking ahead of what you're going to say eh so let's give them the benefit of the for a second because today he did denounce it and I have to say this to as as a supporter of the President I don't want this. I don't WanNa see this again at an arena. I don't think those kind of chance or helpful in any way shape or form because I think he's GonNa win on his own. He's going to win on the merits but the other side team it is hard it is it's strains credulity to believe that he did not hear it and that he spoke very quickly because because it's not true it's so lie trump's started the week with the same attack on these four democratic congresswoman telling them to go back home then he goes to this rally in North Carolina last night where his staff had already told everyone that he'd planned to region up the argument and double down on it he goes there. He encourages the crowd to engage in this chant. It goes on for thirteen seconds H._M._o.. At least eight or nine times before he ever says another word and then after the rally he goes out and tweets four different times saying what a great rally it was it wasn't until Republicans today started condemning him that he finally retreated and said Oh. I didn't really like that. It's a bold faced lie. He all reporting we have is a lot of people lot of Republicans are saying you just said in saying it privately saying you've got to get around this. This can't define us and that's what's actually changed him. That's pretty sad well look. I think I had a conversation today with one one of my best friends. She's a woman who lives in Connecticut suburban educated the whole thing right liberal and she said to me I said what do you think of this whole race right who you like and a lot of the Democratic candidates scare scare the hell out of her. What does this about what I'm saying she wants? She doesn't like trump. She doesn't like his attitude or anything like that but she made vote for him. She may vote for him because she's afraid of the Democrats going to put up. That's where we no. This is what I'm saying the party and that's what does whatever he can't. He gets this where you can't defend the president he said early disturbance as I did not agree with deflecting to another issue and not holding him accountable continues to do these three more. He's still doing the he apologized today. Nobody can accept that show also denounced locker doc her up and it was just chanted again his rally last month and he took a little tour and stood around and it's not like unless he is not like he didn't hear it so you know what judge him on the next time had visited arenas times. Can I say it actually forget forget still judge wreath started talking about last night right. I'm talking about last and today today. He said that talk about the impact of it. If we now clearly see what is plan is for the campaign of Twenty Twenty which is a campaign of division it campaign of US versus them a campaign of other ISM and the campaign. If you go by tweets that includes racism what it worked in two thousand sixteen it did not work in two thousand eighteen. What is it going to do in two thousand twenty well? I think in twenty twenty it's a little difficult because in two thousand sixteen nobody took him seriously he was buffoon. He was a cartoon character was a clown and so Republicans even and Republicans condemned him in two thousand sixteen Lindsey Graham calling the race baiting xenophobic religious bigot and Paul Ryan condemned his words for being racist in two thousand sixteen then once he got nominated. The Republican Party decided well. We don't really care so much about racism. We're more more concerned. What about winning an election? I think Republicans have made their bed now with with with Donald Trump they have to lie and and unfortunately that means there's going to be a campaign is going to be based on bigotry and Russa's not talking about the economy which I've heard you so many times you wish he was and that is the antithesis consists of what we're seeing right now. Look there's no question that he should be running on the record of the economy because he won't lose that way because one thing let me play what's happening in the one thing we play this for you and then you can make your point because then try to answer my question the congresswoman Ilan Omar she just had back to her district just landed back home in Minnesota and to she was this is how she was greeted at the airport. Watch this <music> welcome home Ilan. Is that obviously supporters meeting there instead of now. Are you making her a hero because that Donald Trump is doing thank you are now looking what if you don't think that the squad knows what they're doing they've been elevated disdain. We had the nuns everybody's got a name and so we're just saying before or it's all about Donald Trump and terrible and this and that like the twenty four Democrats running or so virtuous and they never say a bad thing no. Are you kidding. No no no no no. No you know what I am saying though take people on him policy take Ilan Omar policy they call them a fascist. They call him a fascist Colton everything in the name but that's okay because Donald Trump has a history of calling people ever in the book first of well. He's called people racist as well. You were here Monday or Tuesday when we are you're saying if only the left would stop calling people races and this would nap and we know what Donald Trump Barack Obama lorries race call trump called Turay arrays donald trump called Bryant gumbel raises even called the movie Django unchained races. Donald Trump has a history of calling people raises. You don't have a problem when when he does because she called him out the racist racist suddenly it's a problem. Let's call thing thing. Donald Trump is a racist last night for everyone he cannot. I felt like I was watching Raleigh. Last night and Donald Trump was the grand imperial wizard leading people in a chant telling a black woman a member of Congress to go home to Africa that is racism as Textbook Textbook Racism it should be condemned from the halls of Congress to the White House to every bothersome speaks as a political republican lawmakers have instead they'd them sick to their stomach and that's not what I see from Donald Trump and that's not what I'm hearing from you what I said to keep the other night and it's clear that if anyone supports Donald trump or his presidency or his policies and if they're going to vote for him because they can't stand any of the twenty four Democrats than they by definition of the Democratic Party now are racist racist. That's where we're at. That's that's exactly the nexus that has been drawn sixty three million watching right now. Even those undecided. You're racist according to others I'll tell you what I of course. I don't one here you when you what last lot this is supposed to be the party of Lincoln Abraham Lincoln to be turning over his grave right now to see what Donald Trump is done to this party and what Republicans have allowed to happen this party lake and tried to J._F._k.. Thinks he's trying to steal subject to change the Lincoln tried to appeal to the better angels of our nature at this guy only appeals to the worst demons disposition. It's unacceptable. There is a fact that Donald Trump is playing on division and playing on negatively. Activity and playing on us for them there is no question about that and what you say. Let's be real. Iran does a million times though that he wishes that the president would focus on the economy that is not what what he is doing. Let us see what happens tomorrow. I'll front next the U._S.. Takes takes out and Ronnie and drone this after plans to send hundreds of troops. The Middle East is the U._S.. prepping strike now plus an out front exclusive father held at the border finally allowed to cross to see his daughter but it is too late you say she lost hope that they were going to be reunited. Remember to create an ad like just one visit pure winning dot com slash C._N._N.. New Tonight tensions escalated with Iran after a U._S.. Navy ship brought down in Iranian drone in the straight of Hormuz. This is just hours after Iran said it had seized a foreign tanker with twelve the people on board Barbara Starr is out front for us tonight Barbara. What are you picking up about this good evening kate well in other day another provocation and incident with the Iranians this time the U._S.? Navy warship boxer was moving through the strata her Moos to try try and go into the Persian Gulf when it was approached by Ronnie and drum this drone came within one thousand yards of the worship deemed to be unsafe an unsafe distance U._S.. Navy tried to radio whoever might believe listening listening to get it to back off it did not at that point the Marines on the ship swung into action and activated an advanced weapon. They have that basically destroys the destroyed the electronics of the drone so it crashed into the sea the Iranian alien say this so far they have no missing drunk all of that said over in Saudi Arabia the U._S.. Now making plans to deploy five hundred up two thousand perhaps U._S. troops to an airbase in the remote Eastern Desert's of Saudi Arabia Arabia they want to secure airfield outside the range of a runny and missiles so they can fly advance fighters patrol the Gulf patrol the air skies have their own missile defense capability. It's another move on the part of the U._S.. Continue to show its presence and show that it is being defensive it is about deterrence that they are not looking for war with Iran these provocations however are always very concerning not helping in that effort Barbara. Thanks so much out out from me now Democratic Congressman Gerry Connolly. He's a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee Congressman. Thank you for being here grew to be with you. What do you make of this tonight about this drone from Iran? I think we have to be real careful about not <hes> hyperventilating about this incident. It was a drone. It got to close to the U._S.. Boxer and we dismantled. It's electric's causing it to crash into the sea. The Iranians deny that they're missing drown. The president asserts. It was an Iranian drunk. We want to know more but let's not use this as a pretext for something. We don't want to get into just yesterday. The House of Representatives voted to ensure that you do not go to war without coming to Congress in getting our active consent pursuant to the constitution so tensions arising in the straight for moves and with Iran in part because frankly policies this president has undertaken both rhetorical full and from a policy point of view. Perhaps the single worst thing he's done is to rip up the Iran nuclear agreement that was working and helping to de escalate tensions in the region well. We're talking about tensions if we're now at a place where both countries he is our downing each other's drones and this drone came within a thousand yards of a U._S. ship. I do wonder where this goes next. Where are you well again? I want to put it in context all right. Let's stipulate that it's a provocative act to the down somebody else's drone but it's hardly an active war and let's put it in context. We're going to have the possibility of some tangential conflict in that region region especially given the escalation of tensions rhetorically and otherwise but we don't WanNa go to war we don't want to precipitate a war and the most dangerous thing here which maybe is behind your question is unintended consequence. Things can get out of hand even if we didn't mean them to and that's why I think we have to tamp down fears and concerns here and make sure we understand all of the facts before we leap to conclusions with all that in mind the foreign minister the Foreign Minister Surge of <unk> Zarif. He tweeted something this evening I want to ask you about it's a map of the world or section of the world in its highlighting the board of the United States the border of Iran with Red Dot and what appears to be destroyed promos all with a caption reminder minder. Do you take that as a threat. What do you read from this? I don't know what to read from it. I'm not quite sure what possessed the foreign minister to do that. Maybe it's a reminder from Iran that were power to and we're not we're not going to be easily dismissed and if you're contemplating military action yet might WanNa think about it again in terms of potential consequences but I think he's also <hes> engaged in needless escalation at a time when we want to do the opposite Congressman Thank You for Perspective Mockery Pleasure thank you. I'LL FRONT FOR US next story. You will only see on C._N._N.. Father held at the border desperate to see his only only child who is in the United States when he makes it in tragic and you'll bill April also ahead for us. We are just minutes away from learning which candidates will be facing off at C._N._N.. Democratic debate and on which nice the right sheets can take your sleep and your style to the next level with Bollandbranch. 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He wanted a better life for his family. Family is only child was granted asylum in the United States Gomez then spent years trying to fight to reunite with his daughter his fight though ending in tragedy at eleven Dara's out front door but for Dinner Yeah Manuel Gama's is living a nightmare watching his life unravel. He's on his last walk to say goodbye to his thirteen year old daughter who's been on life support since she attempted to take her own life in early July and the pain of knowing his attempts to cross the border failed to make it in time is too much to bear Manuel says he was an detention facility in Texas <hes> when he got the news news that his daughter had tried to commit suicide by hanging herself. You'll feel better in April. Germans was given an ankle monitor and a two week humanitarian parole so he could see his daughter one last time nine. Why do you think your daughter did this as you said she lost hope that they were going to be reunited? This family story captures the often excruciating reality of desperate families separated by a border in two thousand fourteen Manuel Gama's was an undocumented immigrant who had spent seven years living on Long Island New York working as a mechanic. His father was taking care of his daughter in Honduras Monroe US says that his father was killed by M._S.. Thirteen gang members in two thousand fourteen for not paying extortion bribes and then after that he decided to send his daughter here the United States to live with family members in New York and that she was granted asylum Gama's thought if his daughter had been granted asylum he would as well but he was denied after that he crossed the border illegally twice hoping to reunite with his daughter who was now thriving learning English and dreaming of a career career in medicine while living with his sisters but Heidi would often breakdown in tears because she missed her father Jessica and Zoya gomez-garcia are Heidi's aunts Zoya was the one who discovered her after she attempted to take her own on life earlier that night Heidi was distraught over learning her father was once again caught by border patrol and was being held in an immigration detention center in Italy. I'm looking almost always concerns acquired channel get into your lazy. Okay Tallying Paseo. Santa can know Camo also without view. We'll allows us we have what are you going to tell your daughter there at the end here a little movement. He says he's GonNa hurt. Forgive him for failing her. It says that it was never intention to leave. Her loans. Manuel Gomez was by his daughters side. When she was taken off life support as he stood by her the day before he caressed his daughters hands and face and whispered we love you don't leave us and now Manuel Gamez prepares to be deported? Atlanta's here that is excursion. Anguish is really really tough to report and there's a lot of people who are facing these kinds of difficult decisions what happens in now well right now and all of this is just unfolded. She was taken off life support within the last two hours so volun- folding here tonight but <hes> <hes> he faces a very difficult journey. He's got to report back to ice next at this coming Saturday but the following Saturday and he's good he's facing deportation. They're trying to fight it but he's got an uphill climb there. Thank you for telling a story. That is thank you out front frost next. We are just minutes away from learning who will face off and C._N._N.'s highly anticipated twenty twenty debates. We'll Joe Biden. Get better prepared this time around the face offs coming up. Hey Howard Beck and I've got Pelicans G._M.. David Griffin on bleacher reports full full forty-eight. If Free Agency and the drafter flip-flop you can go through free agency. You can make mindful decisions of what it's worth to you and then enter the draft process so it's it's a little bit different so check out the full forty now on the bleacher report APP. I subscribe at Apple podcasts. We are just moments away from the big moment one. We'll all find out together who will face off on the stage of C._N._N.'s Democratic presidential debates these twenty candidates. We're going to show you have made the cut but they still don't know who they're actually going to be standing with that all changes in all thirteen fourteen minutes from now out front now C._N._n.. Senior political analyst Mark Preston Democratic Strategist Strategist I Asia Moody Mills and former Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell. He's avoiding he supports Joe uh-huh Bite and it's great to see you guys. Thank you for being here so mark. All is on this drawing the candidates their campaign supporters us. How significant is this moment? It's very significant for the reason being follow me here. This campaign is in stages. We twenty candidates right now that are vying for this nomination. Come September that you're going to have as many people is very likely that we will see this field shrink considerably over the month of August so these candidates have to have a breakout moment they have to show Democrats Democratic Donors Democratic Democratic activists that they have the ability to take on president trump and that they can explain their policy positions in a way that the American Public WanNA grasp. It's very hard to fill the twenty but that's why this is so important in the matchups that we're GONNA see on that stage on on those two nights are really going to greatly affect the strategy of each one of these candidates so true governor. Let's talk about some of the potential matchups around to Joe Biden admitted that he was not prepared in the last debates for the attack that was coming from Kamla Harris here just a reminder care. Listen prepared from come after me but I wasn't prepared for the person coming at me. The way she came out she knew Bo she knows me nephew of not prepared and you're not ready for somebody to point out a difference of opinion opinion about the history of segregation in our country and what was necessary to deal with that which at that time was bussing then you're probably not ready all right governor. So who does he wanNA match up with now is he gonNA be any any more prepared this time because since then he's always talking about how the debate formats not his thing right but I think he will be more very it'll be ready. I think it staff has gotten them ready and we'll continue to do so the key thing for the vice president though is a to play defense in football. There's something called the prevent defense and that's playing not to lose the only thing that prevent defense prevents you from winning. He's gotTa be the Happy Warrior that he always has been. He's gotta be out get out. There can be proud of his record and he's gotta speak the plane truth. He should have answered the busing brush by saying listen senator I was against bussing because I didn't think it works today. Kids out of their neighbors to a school twenty miles away and and brushing proved to be a disaster disaster <hes> let's see I wonder if that is if this becomes the faultline between Camara's Joe Biden if they're on the same stage again this time around I should I mean what what matchups are you looking for. who like to see together? Yes together again. I don't we've we've seen that I WANNA see Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden because I think that what happened last debate. Is that warrant. You gotTa have a stage so herself right. I was shoot. It was the top tier it was one. She was very the only one in the four of the top five all clumped together in the second night right so I'm looking forward to seeing the two of them together and here's why because Warren and Biden are both going after the heartland. I think she's the heartland homegirl that we don't realize she is she talks about her Oklahoma route. She's really speaking into working class people and she needs to be able to have the space the show that she can be battle-tested that she is very strong that she can go toe to toe with Donald Trump and I think the Joe Biden is the proxy for that so I'm looking forward to seeing the two of them on the stage together because I think it'll be a good opportunity for her to really put on the gloves and show how tough she is because there are too many questions about whether or not she can hold her own against Donald Trump and we haven't quite being able to see her breakout all right mark one thing that we did learn from the last debate and real all the mates. Frankly is a breakout moment chain can change the course of a campaign short-term near-term not completely long-term but you know what I'm getting at. Is there one campaign that is facing like this moment a do or die moment to turn their campaign around breakout from the pack like you were discussing. I think there's multiple campaigns that appropriate in that category right who's actually even not even the twenty who have qualified for the debate Democrats have qualified for the debate so if you think that you are at the end of the stage at the end of the night and you were not in the Middle Lear on the stage which you know Kim said for several others who haven't made it but I do think that the breakout moment has to come in a way that the American people can grasping can embrace and if you look at what Comma Harris did with her breakout moment she was able to capitalize on that Houlihan Castro was able to capitalize on it <hes> to an extent as well but come Liz break-up mobile was so much stronger than his that his almost got a race in the grand scheme of things so I do expect many of these candidates to try to have that moment I've been wondering governor about Bernie Sanders he steadying the Poles but you could also say two different way that he stagnant in the polls while others are making moves. Do you see him doing something differently. In this in this upcoming debate because Bernie Sanders is kind Bernie Sanders all the time I mean to that he should do something differently. Well first of all about you I'd like to see is Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth War on the same stage yeah because they're essentially fighting for the progressive left and as as long as they're both in the race neither one can win so one of them to knock the other out and I think Bernie has to understand that and Bernie has to do something new the scripted Bernie's following is the script he followed in two thousand sixteen and that was good enough to come. I'm in a solid second but it wasn't good enough to win so Bernie asked to expand his base in some ways but he certainly has to reclaim leadership of the progressive left well. Here's the thing about that. Though is that the person who's actually siphoning off the Bernie Sanders votes right now why he so stagnant. It's actually Joe Biden. That's the thing is that Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders or both pulling from that working class pool of the industrial heartland white men specifically and I think that that's what we're seeing happened play out right now so it'll be interesting to see what happens there. I know what Ed Rendell's looking for Hughes looking for another good food fight with what was it last time. Governor mashed potatoes getting thrown. That's exactly what we're looking for this time. It's great to see you guys. Thanks Servian here. Maybe we'll take a different foods. Do not miss the draw friends. It starts in just a few minutes at eight o'clock only on C._N._N.. And coming up next Gino's with the darnedest things that can happen at these debates. I'm Eddie pats the host of sixty five and the latest addition of a podcast. I'll be joined by South Carolina Coach Frank Mark. The bottom line is this for my peers got put in jail. 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"The presenting underwriter of the Michigan podcast Progress Michigan providing a strong credible voice that holds public officials at government accountable and assists in the promotion of progressive. Ideas. Ladies and gentlemen, leaders and fighters freedom, and liberty on the American dream. Um. Right. Trump Palooza AKA. The Republican National Nominating Convention comes to an end a four day festival of trump family members trump employees including even his former caddie endless grievances rewriting of history name calling occasional shrieking up the possibility of a line of coke for one of his kids in a non platform, which basically says anything trump wants in other words it was a typical four days in the world of trump. This is the Michigan podcast where all about Michigan, policy and politics and the national currents impacting our pleasant peninsulas I walser Org, I'm Christine Berry professional athletes. In an unprecedented and unplanned move provide greater focus to America's racial divide. Even as trump doubles down on expanding that racial divide trump's administration launches a transparently political investigation into covid nineteen deaths in nursing homes only in states with Democratic Governors John James Gets caught taking state incentives in exchange for a promise to create jobs but he never really delivers on that promise, and later we'll be joined by the chair of the Michigan. Democratic. Party. For Barnes who just concluded the State Parties I online convention and is now preparing to fight. Republican. Voter suppression in Michigan. We begin though with a truly strange national political convention, which resembled a cult celebration more than a political conclave. The best summary I've heard the convention was on another podcast. So we're GONNA steal somebody from that. It's the eminently wonderful love it or leave it. If you're not subscribing to it, you should it's hosted by former Obama speechwriter and Obama joke writer John Love It. So a head of. The Convention the Party announced that there was no twenty twenty platform this year other than to reassert the party strong support for President Donald Trump and his administration. But based on the first unites I think the Republican message is clear. America's the greatest country in the history of the world on the verge of total collapsed in extremely free country where we have been silenced and oppressed, we are strong but. We are powerless victims Democrat responsible for mass incarceration, which is bad and now they want to empty the prisons, which is also bad. Democrats only hate trump and they have no policies. This is in contrast to the Republicans who loved trump at have one policy. A policy of loving trump democrats celebrate criminals like black lives matter protesters who haven't broken any laws while Republicans celebrate non-criminals like that gun couple. That was charged with a felony. The Best Republican is Donald Trump who worked tirelessly to free American citizens who are old hostage by dictators who trump must admit were very nice to him. Trump must admit this on camera and though the segment is prerecorded, it must not be edited out for reasons that must remain mysterious but most important of all America is not racist, just take it from these racists. Wow, you might want to refer to the transcript on our website after that's over a supper, equally strong was provided by our Lieutenant Governor Girl and Gilchrist Donald Trump is a liar a failure and I think there's been no clearer evidence of east to backs than failed national response to cope in nineteen and all of the fallout as fallen upon communities across the state of Michigan and brightly across the nation as a result of failure his inability to deal with reality is part of how of empathy prevents him from being able to connect with the needs, desires, and dreams of the American people and. That certainly is though all across the State of Michigan Christina I think it's fair to say there was quite a contrast between the two party conventions on a lot of levels and I say on the balance, the Democrats won the convention competition pretty decisively. But at the same time, the Republicans are happy with what they ended up with what were your thoughts as you watch. Well, I know you watch the first week pretty decisive with the second week was a little harder to take the RNC convention. I. Thought was was really interesting not just for what speaker said but for what speakers were there. You know we mentioned last week that the Democratic National Convention was interesting because of all the normal people who were there we you know did air quotes on normal but just really everyday people you had Brandon Harrington a boy who stutters he told his story you had Laura Packard who talked about healthcare just regular people talking about how either Joe Biden or Donald Trump affected them, and that's what happens at all conventions really. But then you look at the quote unquote normal people that they had at the Republican convention and these were completely different types of people you had nick Sanmen who talked about That was that Kim, the Maga hat who won the settlement he talked about how the media attacked him because of their anti-christian anti-conservative agenda they had a nurse who praised trump for up telehealth opportunities for Medicare and Medicaid recipients in rural communities and said, she was there. So the media would not take story and twist it. The mccloskey's who don't know how to hold their guns gave like a four-minute message on how you will not be safe. No matter where you live I, don't know about you but I know exactly where they live and that big what is it? One? Point? Five, million dollar home. Community? Yeah exactly. So they're saying no matter where you live even if it's as good as my place, you won't be safe and I'll tell you the irony of that though is that if you live next to neighbors who wave their guns around like fly swatters, these guys did. You're not safe anyway, but it's not from black lives matters. So it was a completely different tone just from the kind of people they. They pulled to tell stories and I thought that that was interesting. The other thing that you always see at Republican conventions or in any kind of Republican platform communication type of thing, the messaging is the list of enemies that you have the thugs, the leftist, the Marxist. The anarchist, the liberal. Leftists Marxists. Anarchists. As, many words as you can put in there, they're going to say and we've come a long way. I think from the Communists and the gay people in the trial lawyers back in the days of George W Bush now thugs and leftists Marxists anarchists. As if they were ready a script in advance, assuming that Bernie Sanders was going to be the nominee and they wanted to take paint him as the the second coming of Fidel Castro and then Democrats surprised them by mate Joe, Biden who's left of center certainly a little more moderate than Bernie Sanders and then other never bothered to change the script and it's going to stick with the people who believed that going in I. Don't see how it sticks with people who went into the two conventions with an open mind which I don't know how many of those people are are. But today I saw on twitter that Biden riots or something is trending because they're trying to call all of these protests. Joe Biden's protests because he won't denounce them. He's he's denounced violent protests many many times. There's there's nothing here that you can say about Joe Biden that really sticks to him if you look at the truth the reality, but that's not what this was. This was a rally that just was based on. So many lies with the factors went absolutely crazy with it and for. Somebody like me who's got a background and television production iphone was quite a contrast as well. The Democrats at a pretty good job adapting to the new. Internet age and provided something that was actually fairly good TV, which is what this really is. Now it's affording infomercial whereas most of the Republican convention was a series of people walking up to a podium in an empty. Conference Room and giving a speech to an empty room and most of it prerecorded after the president had derided Democrats freezing too much prerecorded stuff. But most of the Republican features were prerecorded as well. The stuff that was live mostly was done in violation of federal law because they use federal facilities in federal employees to stage all of these events for the convention where there. Was At the White House whether it involves the Immigration and Naturalization Services whether it involves the secretary of state giving a speech. Well, he's on a foreign mission in Israel whether it is a vodka trump who's a federal employee introducing her father in violation of the hatchback whether it's Kellyanne. Conway. Giving a speech also in violation of the hatch. Act It's going down to fort. McHenry to stage another event. It's having fireworks on the National Mall Spelling out the words trump twenty twenty. It was just a complete difference in approach and on top of that, the Democrats respected the fact that we're in the middle of a pandemic and didn't do anything with their events that endangered the health of those participating yet you see Donald Trump giving his acceptance speech. In front of a thousand to fifteen hundred people jammed on the White House lawn with no masks no distancing they hadn't been a lot of them hadn't been checked before they came onto the grounds. It was just like two different worlds. Well, that's part of Donald Trump story to America's that the pandemic is not a big deal so he can't have a lot of people. Wearing masks or social distancing around him in front of his TV show because that conflicts with the story I think and I imagine the people who are they're probably truly believes that they're fine covetous just a flu deal. The fingle Dr Donald Trump more nutsy than anything else is the Joe Biden got higher TV ratings for his acceptance speech, which was twenty, twenty, two minutes. As opposed to the Donald Trump, let's spend the evening listening to me lean on a podium speech, which by the way was generally considered a really horrible job. He kind of phoned it in if you seemed kind of sleepy during the whole thing and with crack me up as I got a fundraising email from the trump campaign after it was over which they say this. President trump just finished an incredible speech perhaps the best convention speech ever. And I almost died laughing right on the spot. Oh, he delivered a unifying message and reminded us that he will always put. America first. What more can you say his speeches are always going to be the best speech ever he out does himself every time use the greatest speaker in the history of the presidency and we gotta remember to He's done more for African Americans than any president except for possibly the late great Abraham Lincoln Yeah at a more practical note, the president also the polling indicates he did not get a post convention bounce Biden got a small bounce. The ratings for both conventions were down because there was. No drama because they were basically prepackaged events, the ratings were down although it's hard to measure because in the streaming age, a lot of people watched it on the Internet rather than watching on the broadcast or cable networks but still the numbers show that more people watched Joe Biden's convention than Watch Donald Trump's convention. But in terms of memorable moments, what are you going to remember from the two conventions? Certainly, both Obama speeches, possibly, Joe Biden, speech, and certainly Brayton and his incredible presentation. From the Republican side, the two things I'm going to remember our kimberly guilfoil shrieking, which is what we started with enter Boyfriend Donald trump junior looking like he distorted a line of coke before he gave his speech. Yeah I think that on the democratic side honestly one of the things that really touched me was the national anthem people from all over the country joining in this collaborative national. Anthem, it's one of those thing is that I just get sentimental about the anthem itself but seeing all of these people come together and say I just like that stuff and then on the other side, it was trace adkins and I was in a bad performance it was just a normal performance on the democratic side for me. That was that was just one of the highlights of the Republican side. I watched Eric Trump and. I felt so sad for him at the end of his speech saying, Dad I love you I. Don't know why that made me so sad for him because I'm sure that he does love his dad and is proud of his dad but saying it on TV like that was weird. And I'm wondering if that's the only time that trump was paying attention I don't know. Michigan Democrats have just wrapped up their state convention. The most important decision is confirming the nomination of Supreme Court chief, justice. Bridget McCormack for reelection and grand rapids attorney Elizabeth Welsh for an open seat on the court. It was another cove inspired I in politics. The first ever state Democratic Party convention conducted completely online a major new challenge for the States Party Chair Lavoro Barnes and we are joined by one of the busiest people in Michigan politics. Right now the sure the Michigan Democratic Party Lure Barnes Leverrier just coming off your state convention you're coming off to national conventions congratulations on your first online convention where you got all the votes in and nobody showed up. It was it was a challenge to figure out how to do both of these conventions virtually but we figured it out. We used a terrific platform. We feel good about the number of folks who participated in a great event. Now, of course, you didn't have the competition this time for the major state offices the ones that people pay the most attention to, but there was a very important nomination and that was for the two people running for the Supreme Court, and that is a special challenge for it because it's a nonpartisan race, it ends it's part of the reason we did an endorsement in that race earlier this year so that those candidates and we could start talking about them as the democratically endorsed candidates, and of course, I'm talking about our chief justice, Brigitte McCormick and The terrific Welsh, who are going Elizabeth's going to join this court flip it for us. We're going to make a huge difference for Michigan flipping this court, but the first step in doing that was as nominating her this weekend and that went beautifully. Well, one of the advantages of having an online convention is minimises the risk of having any discord is the party unified as your online convention would make it seem if we feel good I mean tell you when I'm talking to Democrats we are unified in the notion that we have to win Michigan that. Gary Peters and Joe Biden Comma. Harrah's. But we have to win up and down the ticket. We've got to flip the Supreme Court. We've gotTa make sure folks know how to vote in this very, very tough time making sure folks understand how to access that vote by mail that vote by mail an absentee voting are the same thing and there's nothing nefarious about doing doing either and that they could check that straight ticket but. And then flipped that ballot over and find with Welsh and bridget, Mary McCormack, and they will be finished, and of course, you want people to do all of that in September. I I want them to do it as soon as they can get their hands on the ballot. We are encouraging folks to already requested about it to do that now. So that when the clerks to start mailing out ballots on September twenty fourth, you're one of the first to get a ballot in your home get it voted in September and returned to the clerk right away. You have an advantage in Michigan when it comes to the voter suppression that's going on just because we got a secretary of state that is focused on getting the vote out and getting as many people voting as possible. But as you look nationally, are you concerned about how effective the voter suppression tactics might be in turning the next election into a yearlong event? This really does show folks that how important who we elect is I can't imagine what we'd be doing right now in Michigan if we had not elected Jocelyn Benson. Secretary of State or Dana Nessel is our attorney general. These two women are focused on protecting the vote of making sure that voter suppression tactics are stopped and that misinformation is corrected and they're doing a terrific job of it and other states where I'm going to aren't aren't doing the work I know pick candidates end state parties are struggling to get the word out to to block the suppression. Tactics. To make sure folks understand that misinformation is just that I don't know if you heard there was that robocall that happened that's happening all over the country but here In Michigan, our Secretary of state and attorney general jumped on immediately I'm not sure that's happening in other states. But that is a part of the Republican tactics to repeat in Twenty Twenty, one hundred and twenty sixteen, which was basically depressed the vote in Detroit. Yeah that's exactly that's exactly the game plan we've been talking about it since twenty seventeen I think our voters have wised up to it, which is why so many of them recorded that robocall and send it into us so that we knew it was happening almost immediately when it started yes this is part. Of their playbook if they can't win fairly, they will try ways to win unfairly and they have a counter on their ability to suppress the vote. We don't know what other tactics they're going to use. Some folks are GonNa vote in person in November and I fully expected there will be some impersonal suppression tactics as well. We have to be ready for all of it. That's why we've got this terrific voter protection team on board we've been building this team sense twenty, eighteen, twenty, nineteen we've been ready and it's gotten to be big the biggest protection to of. Ever happened we thirteen staff right now the president has hinted at the idea of sending in troops sending in law enforcement to obviously democratic precincts and tried to suppress the vote. That way is the party in a position where it can counter that we're having conversations nationally about that The Biden campaign is on alert for that sort of activity. There are attorneys, good attorneys, good smart attorneys all over the country who are preparing for for just such an eventuality out say while they're not all democrats I'm there are lots of Republicans who recognize that that step would be. A An American step that we can't allow to happen. So we've got a good group of folks working nationally so that we're ready to respond. If that happens, you talk about having people from the other side or independence join in with the on this. I am really fascinated by the reality that for the first time I could remember I. Go back a long ways you have got literally hundreds of people that were directly associated with all of the previous Republican nominees for president. Supporting the Democrat yeah it's It's a testament to where we are as a country and how important this election is and what chaos presidency this president has had. Since he walked into office understand the importance of of getting a legitimate president to that office in that Joe Biden along with vice-president Kamala Harris we have to do this for the sake of this country mistake of the state and frankly for the world and people understand that is bigger than just Democrat Republican. Right now, this is about the future of our country. Another part of the UNDERCARD for the Michigan Democratic Party is the possibility of flipping maybe a couple more seats in Congress, over on the west side of the state. What is the State Party doing towards that end for John Holy and for Hillary scope, we have already built A. Ground Game but that's no we're virtual. So no one is physically on the ground but we are working aggressively in those areas to help talk to voters helped turn out voters for those two races. They are high priority for us along with Gretchen just go here near where I live and then of course, the two folks need to protect who are Elissa slatkin in Hayley Stevens, they are high on our priority list they get all of attention we can lavish on them from our field campaign our team is. Excited to help, support them and help push them over the finish line I. Think we've got a great shot at picking up like you said, I think shoe seats in Congress and maybe third win. If we have the right kind of night, it looks look back on the to national conventions. Briefly it was the conventional wisdom was going to the conventions of the Joe Biden wanted to make the issue in this campaign Donald Trump and it seems like donald trump obliged you by making the hit the whole Republican you mentioned about him. He he definitely did you know our convention I thought was sort of beautiful representation of what America looks like as you as you watched. US, my one of my favorites was that roll call that they did the they figured out to do that rollcall all across the states in territory so that folks could see the wide swath of America that we are so many people who participated in that convention are I'm from varying backgrounds and different and had had not only things to say about trump obviously that happened. But also we're making the case for Joe. Biden, and then Joe Biden did that terrific speech where he knocked down the part and made the case for himself. You're terrific job quaint a contrast to the seventy minutes of I. Don't even know what that came out of Donald Trump that was all over the place there was hate there was anger there were lies plenty of lies. The entire convention was built around a set of lies about what kind of president he has been and what kind of president. He thinks he might be in the future. I've never seen a sitting president talks so tough about the state of the nation right now without recognizing that you are the president right now, my friend on the state of the nation sits on your feet. So it was it was it was hard to watch. Frankly it's hard to watch the fact checkers going nuts this week with all of the Turrell that the convention gave them on the Republican side and there's every indication is going to continue right through November. How do you deal with a series of campaigns where basically the truth is optional I've never dealt with anything like this. Before you know when we when we talk about our candidates, if we ever made a mistake, let alone had a candidate with an outright lie like we would be in panic mode like we were trying to fix it as quickly as possible. We would walk it back. This campaign really right does not seem to care whether what they say is true or not they will say. Whatever they want to fit the narrative they want to build, and all we can do is continue push the truce out every time. We hear the falsehoods in that means we do it. When we all get on television, we do it in the social media and everybody needs to do it. I watched him MSNBC last night and they did a terrific job of interrupting to push. Back on the places where there were clear lies or misinformation report is how responsibility as well. We cannot just let this man and this campaign teller lies without some someone responded with truce. Okay. One last question regarding the leader of the party in the state all the polling shows that the governor's approval rating is above fire above even the vote that she got when she was elected. How does her national visible now in the national she's playing how does it play for you in Michigan in terms of using her as a weapon? Oh, she's a terrific weapon for us we we will ask the governor to participate in every event we've got going on to that. She can help us talk about the importance of electing Joe Biden Kamla Harris talk about the importance of returning Gary Peters and talk about the state. House I know she's very focused on helping get the State House flipped and she's going to be helping those candidates, run fundraisers and helping them reach out to voters she's going. To work hard I'm all the way through election day just like all of us to help us do this in her national profile helps us bring national attention not just to the top of the ticket here which everyone has been paying attention to. But to the full ticket, we can now talk to national donors about help us with the Supreme Court because this is a big deal, we can flip the Supreme Court, help us with the State House and it's the governor who allows us that entry and she's she's been doing it and she's doing a terrific job one more been thinking about a little bit. And that is if this election for president goes to the House of Representatives which is a possibility every state gets one vote right now, Michigan wouldn't have vote effectively because we've got a seven seven delegation, you flip one seat near the direction in that changes votre president of the United States indeed dies it's a big deal. Wow, i. didn't think I hadn't even thought about that one, but you're right. That is a big deal we gotta get it flipped. We've got to get done Lavar Burge always a pleasure to talk with you. Thanks for joining US my pleasure. Good to see you and hear you again. As a postscript to my conversation with Lavoro Barnes I'm hoping for an update of the greatest state Supreme Court viral ad ever launched in Michigan or maybe anywhere eight years ago then Supreme Court candidate Bridget McCormack Sister Mary got a bunch of her friends together to do a West Wing sketch in support supported the campaign now Mary McCormack is one of the stars of the West. Wing, she played the National Security Advisor the friends who did the video with her included Brad Whitford Joshua Malina John Maloney Allison. Janney Richard Schiff Louis Tavlin and of course the best president of the United States in History Martin. Sheen. People fail to realize that the straight ticket vote doesn't count in nonpartisan races. If they just casually vote the party line, then their interest will continue to go on representative. Josh is convinced at something more than a crisis. He's upgraded it to a calamity a catastrophe and telling you it's an apocalypse apocalypse now. What you CJ show, we have calmer heads prevail Mr President as you know, the men and women who sit on State Supreme Court's ruling issues that affect literally millions of Americans other big. Issues like civil rights, the environment workplace protections for protection. This isn't even about which side of those issues you're on I should do something because because we can you can see the full form an video on our website. that. Was Brilliant and I also want to remind people that we have had both Chief Justice Brigitte Cormac and grand rapids attorney Elizabeth Welsh on our shows as guests and I will link to those shows as well. Trump administration is using all of the federal government to support the re election of Donald Trump in addition to the gross abuses at the convention. The politicizing of Justice Department continues to grow the latest an investigation into nursing home deaths during the pandemic in four states conveniently though the four states being investigated, all have Democrats as governors something that quickly caught the eye of Michigan's Attorney General Dana Nessel how do you want to straight face make this demand only of democratic governors when you know that You have Republican governors who have done the exact same thing and you're making you're not making the request of them. They're not even trying anymore to appear as though they are not partisan in this effort. It's not a it's not the Florida's that the DOJ is going after is not tat says it's not Georgia but you don't see you don't see them going after any of these other governors who arguably their policies were far more injuries to their states far were injuries to their state residents. Well. She's got a point and she spelled that point out in June as well when the Republican members of the Michigan Delegation to Congress had sent her that letter to ask her to look into what was going on with the nursing home. See if there was any misconduct there. And she wrote back and said, no, you're only doing this to Democrats if he wanted to do it to everybody, then I'll look into it. It's clear that this is this has been a political tool. The Republicans have been using. There's a lot more detail and information that people need to understand. It's this isn't just a matter of Democrats saying covert. Patients have to go to nursing homes. There was a lot of stuff going on here that led to this. It's really a breakdown in infrastructure. I think well, I don't know how you feel about it, but it's also knowledge to how many types of said it a situation if I knew then what I know now and certainly with cove nineteen that's part. Of the problem as well there were things they didn't know then that they know now that resulted in decisions the probably could have been made better by everyone not just democratic governor but Republican governors is kind of a sidebar. All of those there is now a movement in Ohio by Republicans to recall the governor Republican Mike Dewine because he basically did. In Ohio initially what Gretchen Whitmer did in Michigan, which was act fast neck decisively decisively. Now, he did back off a little bit as a result of political pressure and as a result, Ohio's numbers have been skyrocketing again but still there are Republican members of his legislature that are trying to get him bounced from office which I find ironic in pretty sad. Meanwhile, the political abuse that is the slow down of the male continues to frustrate congress because there's not a lot they can do about it trump mega donor and postmaster general. Louis. To Joy has been steadfast in congressional hearings claiming he knew nothing had nothing to do with the decisions they were made before he got there and somebody else made him but he wasn't sure who was but it is slowing down the mail delivery to the point of jeopardizing whether Mellon ballots get counted. In November and more importantly, it's shaking public confidence in the post office and whether or not the ballots will show up. The attitude of Democrats was summed up during one of those hearings by south feels Brenda Lawrence who before she was elected to Congress spent thirty years working for the post office. Some of my colleagues have said this is a theater wire. You hear you hear because the citizens of the United States rely on the postal service to to deliver our seniors our veterans. One thing is clear. You have been A. Major supporter of the president is documented. I don't resent you for that. You have that right. But when you are getting messages daily in tweets that the postal service says, we don't make a deal they don't get the money. The money means that you won't have universal mail in I. Want You to know that you have an oath of office the warmest. For you and the American people expect for you to hold it and Rashida. Toledo. For major conflicts of interest specifically involving one of the post office is biggest customers Amazon. It is very clear that you have an interest in seeing the president remained in office and your financial interest in Amazon demonstrates that clear conflict of interest that would be gravely concerning even if you weren't in the process of dismantling the postal service, which you are I, like to remind you that unlike in the private sector Mr Join where you served your own self interest your job as postmaster general is not to serve your own profit schemes on the taxpayer's dime you are to serve the United States postal. Service. It's workers and the American people and did you happen to see Katie Porter's questioning the joy. Her. Man It was good she started out asking him questions about his general knowledge of the Post Office, which for the most part, he really couldn't answer. He didn't have a good base knowledge there, and then he went on to admit that he couldn't tell the committee. This is like you said earlier, he couldn't tell the committee who ordered decommissioning of the equipment he couldn't tell. The. Committee really anything and he denied that he ordered operational changes. He denied any responsibility for what happened when he got there. He said he took responsibility for what happened after he got there which then they went on to point out while the everything has significantly slowed down since you got there and he said, well, that's because of things that happened before it got here so He's like the perfect trump guy. But Katie puertas questioning was was on point and there were so many. So many good lines of questioning in statements and we have I put together a playlist that will put on the website for this. Yet meanwhile, as I discuss with Lavoro, Burns earlier in the pod Michigan is in pretty good shape because the secretary of state is taking countermeasures on all of this including mailing postcards to everybody who hasn't already signed up for absentee ballot to make sure they know they can sign up for an absentee ballot and I think there's going to be just. A boatload of publicity between now and when the ballots go out in late September that you need to get your ballot in early, just in case to make sure it gets counted but even so we're going to get a late count in Michigan because they can't start working on those ballots until election day, and there is going to be such a huge number I would guess that seventy seventy, five percent of all the votes in Michigan will be conducted by mail, which means we're going to get a very low count. We won't know who won Michigan officially. For a couple of days. With the national conventions out of the way, the issues that will dominate the next two months would become pretty clear Democrats will focus on the one, hundred, eighty, two, thousand, and growing number of Americans who have died. Thanks to the trump administration's bungling of covid nineteen epidemic trump is back to his race baiting tactics for years ago back then it was murdering Mexican rapists. Now it's MS thirteen black people's polluting the suburbs and radical thugs taking over our streets. The reality is that most of the domestic. Violence according to the FBI comes from right wing terrorists, the proud boys militias, and too often people wearing my hats. There's a double standard being practiced as trump rails against what's happening in the streets when it comes to peaceful protests while he's not real keen on those, his thoughts are pretty much the same as they were four years ago. That's when Colin Kaepernick I took a knee. Wouldn't you love to see one of these? NFL owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of A. Field right now out, he's fired. Now, trump's sports targets or the NBA players who decided that for one day. There was something more important than dunking a basketball I. Don't know much about the NBA protests I know their ratings have been very bad because I think people are a little tired of the NBA. Frankly, but I don't know too much about the protests but I know their ratings have been very bad and that's too. That's unfortunate. They become like a political organization. And that's not a good thing. I don't think that's a good thing fit sports or for the country, but it would comes to less peaceful protests involving his people. Trump has encouragement doc rivers was the coach of the NBA's Los. Angeles Clippers pointed out in explaining his team's decision to refuse to play in the aftermath of the shooting of Jacob. Blake. Shot in the back seven times by Kenosha police. Re protests. And they send riot guards right the. People in riot offense. They go to Michigan with guns and they're spending on. COPS. And nothing happens. You know it's the same way to with the tragedy over the weekend in both Kenosha in Portland Oregon where you've had three people now that have been killed by vigilantes murderers, whatever you WanNa, call them a certainly not by people that do belong there. You know in a seventeen year old kid shows up from out of state with an ar fifteen and she's to start shooting somebody. The president doesn't say anything about that file. It's he gets all upset about the peaceful protesters for the most part, and if they're in Washington, DC wants to bring out the troops so he can walk over Church and she. Said Yeah and His mom was there with him would suggest to you all that taking a gun like that to a protest is an aggressive act in itself. and. So people are saying, well, he he's exercising his Second Amendment right to defend himself like, yeah but he provoked it. Wasn't defending himself. That's the thing he drove up from Illinois. Knowing that there was going to be trouble. And who's asking he was he was asking for trouble basically into the president is going to Kenosha he wants to stir up more violence because he sees that's his way to re-election is to have the nation divided yet. You've got Joe Biden on the other hand giving a speech about how we've got all come together. And it's it's quite a contrast in another. Issue that I saw this morning Unfortunately there was another death and I don't know the victim's name, but he is a trump supporter. He was one of the guys who decided to join the trump rally and drives through the Portland protests. He was killed. He had Patriot prayer hat on, and the Patriot prayer is an anti while it's an all right group of really far right group. So many people now are calling for the Insurrection Act and saying you know Patriot patriots dead. Now it's time for trump to step in and put down these protesters and so on, and these are the same people who are like don't tread on me. It's It's a complete difference, not only in how trump treats the two different sides but on how the two different sides answer and we've been talking about this really ever since we ask how come the NRA isn't protecting the rights of black people to carry guns only white people how come they're not up in arms win a black person is killed for carrying a gun. It's that hypocrisy and it's at, it's at every level event Tucker Carlson it was saying, is there any wonder why the seventeen year old kid decided that he had to go and take a gun to protect the businesses of that area? It's it's. Disgusting Will Mark Meadows Lee Presidents Staff, which echoed those remarks on the Sunday shows, which shows equal was even worse actually than Tucker. Carlson. Although Tucker Carlson's pretty repulsive. Probably the best way to wrap up the segment said, go to a Michigan native and University of Michigan Alum Chris Webber who's been very outspoken on all of this we know nothing is GonNa Change we get it to Martin Luther King got shot and risked his life mega evers. We've seen this in all of our heroes. Constantly taken down we understand is not gonNA end but that does not mean young men that you don't do anything don't listen to these people telling you don't do anything because he's not going to end right away. You were starting something for the next generation and the next generation to take over. Do you have to be smart? Yes. Do, you have to make sure that you have a plan. Yes. Do you have to articulate about that plan? Yes. All of those things, but that's what you're. GonNa? Do they're professionals they know how to be the best of themselves? And so I applaud it. I applauded because it is the young people. It is the young people leading the way. And I applaud them one final note on this Christine. Kudos to the Detroit Lions who really sharded at all before the basketball team said we're not gonNA play the Detroit Lions said we're not gonNA practice today they were the first professional sports team to take a formal action amongst the players in response to the terrible shooting up in Kenosha Wisconsin. well-done. Right time for this week's political notes Republican Senate candidate John James is catching heat over a promise he made James's shipping company was given multi million dollar tax breaks by the state in return for a promise to add jobs. Well, it turns out he actually reduced the number of jobs at his company. Did he give the money back? No, he did not. and. So in short while between what was promised in terms of jobs to what was delivered, there was a nut swing of about one hundred and fifty jobs, and it's interesting because John James Story is he's a job creator he hates handouts and he hates socialism, and yet here he is taking a handout to create jobs that he did not create his story is he's a successful guy I appreciate everything he accomplished in the service, but it's just like the army ranger thing there's an illusion there s not real and he's not going to go to the Senate and deliver for anybody. and. Again, it's like like I said before when he came out with that ad about you know his rules of engagement, he's GonNa fight for every vote he's going to tell the truth about everything. He's already broken all of his rules of engagement. We've got a couple of examples of why people hate politics exhibit one, the effort Lavoro Barnes mentioned earlier aimed at discouraging some voters from voting by mail we've got Robo calls going out in several states including Michigan basically telling voters. In. Selected areas, read that black areas that if they vote by absentee, that information will be used to do all sorts of things to them that are very nasty better not vote by absentee ballot it's been going on in Michigan's going on in Pennsylvania among other states. So nobody's of course taking credit for it, but it is being done Dana. Nessel is on the case in Michigan along with Jocelyn, Benson speaking out against it, but also investigated to see where it came from. And you know let's be. Let's be clear about what those Robo calls are saying that. The your mail in ballot could be used to find you for what like outstanding warrants and all these different things I mean. There's the underlying assumption by the people that making these Robo calls or responsible for that script that the people who are in those areas are black people who are criminals net is the assumption behind this script. Exhibit to is the petition drive led by State, Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirke amongst others to repeal the governor's emergency powers. They're kind of ratcheting up the sleaze specifically with the firm they hired to collect signatures for their petition drive. The owner of the firm has a criminal record for falsifying voter registration and a history of Bayton switch tactics and paid petition drives around the country names remarked Jacoby he is paying his circulator three. Fifty each for each valid signature to repeal the emergency powers of governor actor nineteen, forty, five, he was arrested in two thousand, nine in California for a destruction fraud and perjury and lesser charge of registering to vote at the address. We he didn't live more troublesome for Michigan is his circulator is basically are lying about what's in the petition to get they'll say anything to get people to sign it because they just need their numbers. They've allegedly collected about two hundred thousand signatures so far they need three hundred forty thousand valid signatures given the typical validity right of signatures collected by page circulator. In reality, they need four hundred, fifty to five hundred, thousand signatures if one hundred, ninety days to collect them, they'll probably be type they'll probably court battle over those signatures as well. Because there will be a lot of bad ones. They already know that they've got signatures for Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck on some of these petitions they just have to find them all. Well Governor Whitmer is increasingly a national presence among Democrats. WHITMER was paired with New Jersey Senator Corey Booker as the leadoff rebuttal witness during the Republican convention teeing off on the trump economic record noting that the Obama Biden administration had left them with a six year economic boom they handed their successors economy and a country in the midst of a historic recovery. The longest streak of job growth in history raising wages and sixteen million jobs created since the depths of the recession. But since that time just three and a half years ago Donald Trump has driven economy into the ground economy has lost more than six million jobs since Donald trump to the wheel including more than two hundred, fifty, thousand factory jobs. In more than one, hundred, thousand small businesses closed for good and that brings us to the political attack ad the week runner up honors go to a repeat honoree the Lincoln project those are the Republicans that are fighting against trump. They've got a new commercial called protect. Preserve. Protect and. Defend. Responsibility of president to help, keep Americans safe to protect our families Donald. Trump has failed to solemn duty over one hundred and seventy thousand Americans have died in the past few months from covid nineteen millions are infected and there is no plan no plan to contain the virus no plan to make it safe for businesses to reopen no plan to reopen schools in this time of national crisis. Donald, trump what he always does allied you bragged. He blamed never lead because Donald trump is not a leader. This time it's personal. Donald, trump's ignorance incompetence is threatening your family's safety. It's not about Republicans or Democrats. It's about protecting our families, preserve, protect, and defend he failed. You must go on November third vote to protect your family. The Lincoln project is responsible for the content of this advertising. Our winter though Christine is a real doozy, it's a first person statement from someone who really knows Donald Trump really well, his former lawyer Cooley law school alumnus Michael Cohen Dictate. I was president trump's right hand man fixer and confidante. I was complicit in helping conceal the real donald trump. I was part of creating an illusion. Later this week he's going to stand up at blatantly lie to you. I'm here to tell you you can't be trusted and you shouldn't believe a word. He utters. So when you watch the president this week remember this if he says something is huge is probably small. If he says something will work it probably won't, and if you says, he cares about you and your family, he certainly does not. He's going to tell you that if you re elected, the economy will bounce back that only he can get us out of this economic crisis. Can Fix it. Maybe for those like him. But if you think he cares about working class Americans, you're dead. Wrong. The president is talk to you about law and order. That's laughable. Virtually everyone who works for his campaign has been convicted of a crime or is under indictment myself included. So when the president gets in front of the cameras this week remember that he thinks we're all gullible a bunch of fools. I was part of it and I felt Florent. You don't have to light me Fox lease listened to me. That's pretty hard hitting pretty powerful I. Don't know how effective is going to be, but it certainly so a lot when somebody who's your lawyer for ten years as Your Crook After two weeks of nonstop zoom politics, we are done with the conventions and onto the final stretch absentee ballots will go out and about four weeks and the voting can begin, and on that note, we are done for the sweep for more information on today's subjects head on over to our website Michigan podcast dot com we've got to stories and videos that we've talked about in this podcast off from the conventions we have tweets, we have pictures, we have a few fund political ads, just rock and roll all the way on the website. You can email us at my cash dot com or reach out through the Michigan. FACEBOOK or on twitter, we'll be back on labor. The Michigan Paula cash production of Michigan citizens for a better tomorrow.

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NY Times: President Trump knew of whistleblower complaint when he released aid to Ukraine; Testimony: two White House budget aides left jobs, both had concerns about hold on Ukraine aid; Attorney for former Giuliani associate says they turned over photos,

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NY Times: President Trump knew of whistleblower complaint when he released aid to Ukraine; Testimony: two White House budget aides left jobs, both had concerns about hold on Ukraine aid; Attorney for former Giuliani associate says they turned over photos,

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I want nothing. Thank you so according to the new reporting in the New York Times when he said that he already had known for for more than a week. Maybe two that the whistle blower was about to make out point out the very thing you just heard the president take pains to deny a quid pro quo. It might explain why the president not known as a great expert in the classics was suddenly showing off his Latin. Here's The Times lead. President trump had already been briefed on on a whistleblowers complaint about his dealings with Ukraine when he unfroze military aid for the country and September according to people familiar with the matter. CNN political analysts in New York Times White House correspondent Maggie Haberman shares the by line. She joins us on the phone tonight. Maggie thank you for being with us. It's a very special night when you get to ask in all sincerity verity. What did the president know in? When did he know it John? Thanks for having me so as you laid out. We reported tonight that the president was briefed by the White House. Council pats up learning And the National Security Council's me and lawyer John Eisenberg In August that about the fact that the whistleblower complaint existed whistleblower complaint of course talked about not as we know now not just The president's phone calls Presidents Alinsky from July twenty fifth but also this question about the freezing of military a and it's significant. Not just because you say the aid was unfrozen you know. I think it was a little less than two weeks later. Roughly then but also So the president was aware of this certainly when this happened but also when he spoke to Gordon Salman the ambassador to the EU Who testified defy that he had a conversation with the president where the president said you know he was trying to get clarity on on whether there was a some sort of a you know holding up the aid? Try to pressure Ukraine on investigations. And the president. Said I want nothing I want nothing no quid pro quo. And then something about wanting Ukraine to do the right thing. The words quid pro quo. Were not part of the public vernacular on this at that point When the president was briefed on this and when he spoke to Gordon Salmon so it's it's a notable label phrase and it just any pinpointing clarity? We can get about where the president was. And all of this. I think is significant any sense of the detail in which he was informed when when he was told about this in August no and we address that in the story. It's not clear how much detail CIPOLLONI Eisenberg got into with him. It's certainly possible. They presented only top lines Not believe that they told him who the whistle blower is. We have no reporting indicating that but and based on the fact that a number the White House aides still seem to be in the dark about all of that You know after this all became public doesn't indicate that but but again it it did. I it's unusual for a couple of reasons John and one of which is I. They're briefing the president on a complaint that the president is the subject of now on the one hand this this is unprecedented right. I don't think we've ever had an incident that that I know of of of a whistleblower complaint about The commander in chief and so it's not really clear where this happens happens and the reason that they were briefing him was. They were explaining that. They didn't think that they had to share this. With Congress that they were seeking an opinion from the Justice Department and on whether they had to so. That's the context in which this conversation was taking place and I think that their argument would be that. There was no precedent for this. I think it is for for critics. The administration it's going to raise questions about whether it was appropriate to be sharing the existence of this complaint with with the subject of it and raises that question. It raises raises all kinds of questions about the time line of a series of events that happened including the ones you talked about. And then there's the conversation that he had with Republican. Senator Ron Johnson. Days is after it turns out. He had been briefed about the whistle blower complaint house. Senator Johnson described that conversation. So Senator Senator Jones has described it That basically he reached out to the president he had he had heard complaints about this and he reach out to the president to try to understand. You know what it is that he wanted and was he seeking being essentially some version of what had been described and Johnson. It hurt and the president had a reaction to the extent of no no. That's not true. Who told you that But right again it just puts a finer point on the fact that he was aware of this as he was being asked. And I think asking the question of told you that is worth knowing given that at that point there was a whistleblower complaint that at least some people had knowledge of the administration. Indeed it makes you rethink everything. We know that the president said during that time for egg may Maggie Haberman terrific risk reporting. Thanks for being with us. Have a great thanksgiving. We don't see in Q.. U. Two joining us now Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut a democratic member of the Senate Judiciary Committee Senator Blumenthal. Thanks so much for being with us. The president had been briefed on the whistleblower complaint in August that is before he unfroze the military aid to Ukraine. So just that alone alone is this an example of two plus two week wing four again. It's a lot bigger than two plus two equalling for this really terrific report shows. I think why the president was in effect objecting to the potential charges about him before those charges were made that clip that you just showed where in effect he is saying no quid pro quo and it was well before that phrase entered the public lexicon but it also raises the very very profoundly family important question about whether the president participated in attempting to conceal that whistle blower report as both the Department of Justice. The office of Legal Counsel so and his own legal adviser said they should do and only because the inspector general of the Intelligence Committee insisted that whistleblower pub report. We made public. Was it eventually given public light. All this was it White House counsel. The White House counsel reviewed the decision and then ask the Justice Department ultimately they said. Don't turn it over. Why would the president be responsible for that unless he ordered it which we have no evidence there is no direct evidence has yet whether or not he ordered it? But there is circumstantial evidence in the timing of his release of the aid. Not until September. Eleven only because of love protests and. I was one of the senators who urged the release. But we had no idea about this whistle blower report. The President Evidently Bentley did and that probably was a key reason that he released the aid after learning that there was this very very important whistleblower complaint so essentially what it shows consciousness of guilt prosecute for years. I was going to ask you about that using the phrase quid pro quo before anyone else does using the phrase quid pro pro quo that you think shows consciousness of guilt combined with other circumstances absolutely if I were arguing this case to a jury I would say that we had enough evidence even before this report to rest my case. But here's another piece of evidence that is very powerful that can be used in building the case and saying that it should go forward toward impeachment and let me just add ad. If the president wants to tell the American people about his innocence. He ought to come forward and talk to Congress about it in public under oath rather than hiding behind a computer screen has an opportunity releases. People have an opportunity next week. The House Judiciary Committee is going to get in the game here. They are going to hold public impeachment hearings. And what they're going to you. I is talk about the constitutionality. Or what constitutes an impeachable offense and they're going to have scholars to talk about but the president. He's welcome to go. He's invited fight to go himself if he wants to. But it's more likely send his legal team there. What do you expect them to say? I think what they'll say. Is that all of these facts ax. Whatever they are in the legal history here? Don't constitute an impeachable offense but clearly there was bribery which is specifically specifically mentioned in the Constitution as an impeachable offense. The president offered to perform a legal responsibility namely releasing that military aid in exchange for something of value and benefit to him exactly Republicans as if no explicit promise of the release of military aid in exchange for it. There's no recording of the president saying it out loud even though we've had witness after witness as their understanding that was the case well as a prosecutor I used to sometimes sometimes wish for recordings and videos of crimes. They're not all that common. What you have is circumstantial evidence and the powerful witnesses that were on display last week? They had nothing to gain and everything to lose. They were career civil servants who were risking everything and they consistently distantly described what the president said about these events and what his expectations were and where you began in this conversation. Two plus two equals four. That's what you argue to a jury and ultimately the Senate is the jury and the Court of Public Opinion Senator Richard Blumenthal Connecticut. Thanks for being with US tonight. Thank you happy Thanksgiving giving you two or more perspective now from CNN senior political analyst. David Gergen seen a chief legal analyst. Jeffrey toobin senior political analysts in USA columnist Curson powers also David urban former top trump campaign strategist to CNN political commentator and we should add a Washington corporate lobbyist Jeff. The timing here has always seemed convenient and there was all they're always those who noted that the president released the eight after the White House knew about the whistleblower report and same thing with the use of the quid the pro quo. But now you have report that says he was specifically told civically tool why this matters. I mean why this matters. Is that one of the defenses. Defenses has always been that was raised in the intelligence committee hearings. It's like what's the big deal. They released the aid. So so and and the President of Ukraine never did the investigation. So how could there be an exchange if the president of Ukraine never never came through what this story. The establishes is the reason he he released. The aid is he got caught. He got caught in this illegal or improper oppor or wildly inappropriate enterprise of trading taxpayer money for dirt on Joe Biden. He got caught. That's what the little whistle blower letter says says. And that's why he released the aid because he didn't want to be caught anymore. He wanted to have an excuse to get right with a situation nation. where he'd been caught is interesting because this is one more piece of evidence albeit? It's not in front of Congress but it's a report here more evidence on top of a mountain of evidence. What does that matter a well? I I think the more you know the more evidence that you can get to. I mean it supports pretty much everything that we've already the scene but I think it's really important because you have the president insisting you know I said that there was no quid pro quo. Somehow that's meaningful will now. We know why he was using using a those that phrase which always seem strange. Because it's not really how anybody talks. Frankly but it's specifically not how he talks and so the fact that he knew he had been accused most of quid pro quo Because he had seen this report I think is very meaningful I also think just extremely troubling that he was being told hold about this whistle blower report and that it was the decision of the White House that they were gonNA keep it from Congress when under normal circumstances that would be sent to the relevant committees. He's in Congress that have oversight and so there's just a real lawlessness Just obvious corruption to this kind of behavior David Urban. I Wanna a read you. The text exchange between US diplomat the top US diplomat in Ukraine. Bill Taylor and e you embassador Gordon. Sunlen Taylor writes quote as as I said on the phone. I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign which Sondheim replied quote Bill. I believe you're incorrect about president. Trump's intentions the the president has been crystal clear. No quid pro quos of any kind. The president is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt a transparent and reforms. Presents Celeski promised during his campaign. Someone has testified. That's for the president. Told Him we heard the president reading out lied wrote loud from that no car but of course that's what the president told him because he knew he was being accused of it by a whistleblower. And your point John on is what I. I still don't understand where the connection is. The nexus is here between or anything that shows that the reason the president withheld eld. The money was because of because of this meeting there there could be you know the president said as others have said the president was very concerned about whether or not Ukrainians. We're going to clean up their act whether or not that was true or not whether other people are gonNA kick it or not. And Jeff Maggie's reporting goes pretty far but it doesn't go as far as you. Who is you'd like to see and just finally to note real quickly? Apparently Senator Blumenthal forgot. He's a juror supposedly a juror. This and the upcoming impeachment trial President President seems like there's no need for them to have a trial in his mind. He's clearly states. The presence guilty will. I will only note the jurors like Lindsey Graham has said they don't even WanNa look at the evidence or watch the hearings because they've already decided the president's innocent so it does work both ways there right so again just to come back. This is a political endeavor. I don't think that after all of what we've seen in the house the polling you know nobody was swayed house else members on either side art swayed if anything I think. Some of the Democrats may be swayed in terms of their seeing the polling. There hanging from American saying this President Impeach- and they're getting a a little nerve. There's no evidence of that first of all the polling shows that V. No no no no. No No. Let me finish the polling. CNN polling shows a fifty percent of the American people. Half of Americans support impeaching are moving. The president it hasn't changed in two weeks hasn't fallen in an Giang as an either it hasn't fallen or is six bucks. CNN talk about in the morning console. It's fallen fallen is basically stayed the same across across the board. If you average all the polls to say plummeted job why do you think why why do you why do you think why do you think the Democratic House members are talking about censure now versus versus impeachment Brenda Lawrence and she's back off that I understand that argument I do but what I'm saying is that opinions seemed to be set here but they haven't fallen. People haven't backed off impeachment. Not yet David Gergen. I do want to bring you into the conversation on the idea that David urban brought up there. which is that? There isn't a tape recording or there isn't videotape of the president saying I order a quid pro quo which seems to be the only level of evidence that would move Republicans in Congress on this. Well we know a lot. More of the president weren't stonewall and the policy areas that the Republicans are claiming. There's no direct evidence we don't have the president on tape or doing something that's very direct and there's a reason for that and that is the people who talked to. The president have all been prevented from testify and the president has shut down that part of this inquiry. What we're into is that there is plenty of her? Circumstantial evidence is overwhelming circumstantial evidence That supports the notion that for better for worse I The president was not moved by the corruption overall corruption in In Ukraine he was that wasn't it points on made that point Two homes the president's not interested in and doesn't really give a damn about that anybody cares about is the big stuff in the big stuff is his own survival. I think what what we see. Here is overwhelming evidence in this helps to confirm what we've learned tonight about the president winning. No what he knew it what he knew and winning new it This helps to confirm that he was conducting a very secretive and well covered up an enterprise to force or bully the cranium into it it to get digging up dirt on Biden and on Hillary And it he knew it was not going to last forever. The pressures began to build up from within the administration against the withholding of aid. 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When about the Ukraine whistleblower report we were getting transcript of closed-door impeachment testimony on Ukraine affair by a former career White House budget official Mark Sandy told lawmakers at two officials at the office management budget had left their jobs in both had concerns? That military Ukraine was being held up bag nowadays. Gergen Jeffrey Toobin Kirsten powers and David Urban. You Know Jeffrey. The president and his allies have been saying. This is much ado about nothing. It's not really a big deal. But when to government officials quit over concerns. That's kind of a big deal again. It's a cumulative set of facts. I mean this alone doesn't prove anything but of it's yet another fact act that shows how out of the ordinary this was how improper it was and how the people who were responsible to actually follow the law. We're upset about it. Any gave the famous news conference Mick Mulvaney. Not just the acting chief of staff but still has authority over O. M. B.. He's told the country we should all get over it but people within his own agency. Oem Be they clearly weren't getting over at Kirstin now. It's not. I mean the the fact that you had Multiple people quit over this. I think is important information but there was also a lot of concerns was a memo. That was written Concerns that this this is by elites the law The there was Pretty much nobody other than Donald Trump according to David like his concern here right was that Ukraine was so corrupt and therefore That's why this money had to be withheld and yet nobody who's actually worked on. The issue has testified that that was the the case and in fact I think it was mark. Zandi who had testified saying that they had made a lot of advancements in terms of anti-corruption and they had been cleared to receive the aid aid and and by the way to David's point or claim if that was what president trump was interested in. Why did he never bring that up in the call? He brought up crowd strike a conspiracy theory. Any brought up the Biden's so there's no evidence that the president actually was intr- what was holding up this money because of corruption and I think we now have more information from Owen be showing. How disturbed they were about this David urban next week it'll be interesting? How this year a committee is holding? Its first public public hearings on this about impeachment. In general what constitutes an impeachable offense and by the rules the president can go and the president can send his lawyers to take part in these hearings and they can ask questions. What do you think the White House should do here? What do you think the White House attorney should do as part of this eerie? Listen I said this and Jeff and Kristen. I may have heard this before as long as as well as David I think again. I don't think the president's under any obligation to prove himself innocent here. I think the house. They've made the decision. They want to bring impeachment pitchman charges. They need to bring the charge. They need to bring the evidence. They had to prove that the president did these things he's under no obligation and moreover there's going to be an upcoming Senate trial. Oh following this house. Whatever you hearings and if I was if I was the White House I would hold back everything until the actual the actual trial? I think David's proposing what has been the White House strategy throughout which is basically to say this whole thing is a kangaroo court. It's a waste of time. The public complicates it but never engaging on the facts that have been established. It's an interesting middle strategy. We'll wait and see if they show next week. I don't think it's just to be quiet. Hi It David suggesting you say nothing. I think you will hear complaints that this is a kangaroo court but you will never hear the White House engage on the actual fact David Gergen last point here house. Democrats are writing up the house. Intelligence Committee is writing their report on this judiciary will ultimately decide what our articles of impeachment and there is is this ongoing debate or whether to stick to Ukraine or to expand into some of the Muller regions. What do you think they should do? Expand Pant- I think it's important for the country To make a decision based on the whole body of evidence about the conduct of his presidency not simply the phone call I do think it was strengthened their case and I think the country really needs some sort of way to come to grips and come to peace with all visit. Justice has been done and that will be done through transparency transparency and going the full expanded Joe Giradi Day. We got it. We got it. We're GONNA take a quick break. 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AC three sixty in the search bar every gift gift one hundred percent money back guaranteed more breaking news tonight. They could spell more troubles for president trump as well as possibly his lawyer Rudy. Giuliani in a statement. The lawyer for one of Giuliani's former Ukraine associates arrested on campaign finance violations. Told three sixty this quote Joseph a body one of lead cornices attorneys confirmed to CNN that his client has turned over photos videos and other materials to congressional investigators but declined to detail the contents. Mr Bondi also confirmed that. Mr Parnis is complying with the Intelligence Committee's subpoena to the fullest extent possible notwithstanding limited access to Mr Parnassus phones computers in records as those were seized by federal prosecutors at the time of his arrest now in a separate conversation bodies lawyer also told three sixty the material Israel including photos and videos quote different and more extensive unquote than anything. The public may have already seen on the Internet. These are some some of the pictures that are out there on the Internet apartments in his associate or from in with both president trump and Rudy Giuliani. Back with us. David Gergen Jeffrey. Toobin cures empowers and David and Jeffrey just broad question. How significant is this? Well obviously depends on. What's what's in the documents? I mean what what seems to be going on here here. Is that one of the two defendants left. Looks to be making a deal. Looks to be trying to trying to make a deal where he either gets lesser charges or no charges. That seems unlikely. Now that he's been indicted and potentially turning into a witness now. Would he be a witness against really Giuliani would he have incriminating being in material. We don't know but that seems to be the backdrop to to what's going on here but I think in fairness Giuliani and everyone else we need to you know we. We don't know what's in the documents and photos so we can't say they're incriminate. We don't know that much is clear and David urban one thing that is interesting is Republicans I talked to about Rudy Giuliani Liani. I will ask them how. How far out on a limb are you willing to go for Regional Leon and all of this and they basically say not far at all? How toxic is Rudy Giuliani? How much of a problem is he to the trump presidency? Look I think the president and Rudy are. You're obviously very close friends though I I. I don't think the president has ever going to walk away from Rudy Giuliani and I don't think Rudy Giuliani. We're GONNA walk away from the president. Said I don't think that's the question is can have to be answered. Heard too quickly to David. Gergen made made a point about having lots and lots of different articles of impeachment. The point the point that I just WanNa make the people think about it. There are thirty one house Democrats who are in seats that Donald Trump carried handily they want and so knowing knowing that the Senate is going acquit by all by all accounts. Are Those thirty one democrats. Are they gonNA feel confident. Going to the floor and you know just how many profiles and courage will there be if they're on on these articles of impeachment knowing that said it's going to quit and they're gonNA run free election in about ten months so that's the point. That's you may have a lot a lot of articles but let's see how many people vote. That's a political consideration. It's also political consideration for Susan Collins in Cory Gardner and senator might be running for for elections in states that Democrats have once I understand but there's politics at play here for a lot of people who will cast important votes. David Gergen into that issue of Rudy. Giuliani you know. You've worked in many administrations you've seen in ministrations distance themselves from people based on and what we now know about Rudy Giuliani. Should this administration start working hard to create some serious distance. I think the president has already started that today with his comments. Events that He didn't direct Giuliani's operations and Ukraine In which in which everybody else has basically he did And he also awesome. I don't know what he was doing out there. He's a warrior as if that excuses everything but he said he goes out there for a lot of reason and some always have nothing to do with me. You already began Dan to feel that he's maneuvering to get a little put a little light between the two of them. I WanNa make just briefly a couple of other points so you know this. The polls are not just just a private disappointment to some Democrats but it's also should be private disappointment to Republicans who thought this was due to. The Democrats went down the road toward impeachment. If it's going to blow them away was gonna you you know and that didn't happen to these polls either So that's true but the last point is you know with this continuing flow of new information. New facts new insight. There's gotTa that'd be some mechanism that the intelligence committee or the house can have to remain open to keep the window open. After the time these votes come in what is it's new evidence comes in. It really really does show something that they censor is a case. There has to be some mechanism to deal with. What the future information? We're GONNA learn in fact you can always oracles of impeachment. You keep on doing the process. There's nothing that says you have to be finished. Once you vote on certain articles. You can't vote another come up but Democrats would have to decide. They WANNA do that. Kirstin power is to you lead partner in your firm and these guys are characters at this point and I put that in quotation marks obviously is affecting affecting Rudy Giuliani and the pictures with the president. But there's also the lawyer says that he's got information that Devon Nunez is somehow tied up in all of this as well well. How do you see this playing out? Well I mean. I think it's like what Jeffrey said. It just depends on what they have and what they can deliver. They also have claimed that they you know at at dinner with the president had told him you know they they were the ones that were really driving this smear campaign against Marine your Vich. And and that they had told him that she was was working in his against his interests. So I mean maybe if they did in fact actually have recordings of something that that could be meaningful. I don't I don't think we'll see a to David's point. I completely disagree about Giuliani. I think trump throw him under the bus in a split second. I don't think he'd even think twice about it. I don't don't think however that even throwing him under the bus gets trump out of this because there's just too much evidence showing that he was driving this this bus basically way But I think he would absolutely do it. Can you refresh my memory. What's the name of the company that these two gentlemen ran? Fraud Guarantee. I wondering what was the second choice. Name was no worse than before Gary to David Gergen. Here's the powers. David thank you all for being with us and again happy you. President trump happy Thanksgiving president trump drops. Another swear word at a rally in once again talking about Democratic acquatic investigations. And we'll have more on the polling. We've been talking about. And some of the supply surprising splits it reveals on just who wants the president impeached. I remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash. CNN newham like everybody everybody in Palm Beach no one. No one knows how he made the money happening. UNBUTTON my shirt and pulling my body onto already naked body after the night for the sixteen years. I've reported Jeffrey Epstein. The man the multi-millionaire the monster. Now go behind the story with me. Vicky Ward ooh host of CNN's new. podcast the Jeffrey Epstein I knew subscribe now wherever you get. Your pod costs MHM moments ago at a rally in sunrise. Florida president trump had a single colorful word to describe all the impeachment news lately. And if you have kids cover their ears and now the say. Maniacs are pushing the deranged impeach impeach you think of this impeachment impeach a which is the same as before and and they're pushing the impeachment which aren't and a lot of bad things happening to them. Because you see what's happening in the everybody said that's really bullshit keeping them honest according to a new you. CNN poll and with all due respect. That's bullshit after five days of public testimony. Half the country half believes the believe. The president should be impeached and removed from office fifty percent or in favor of impeachment and removal. Just forty three percent disagreed that it should be impeached impeach in removed. Now we should point out. That number hasn't moved at all since Latin last month's poll but there is a winding gender gap sixty one percent of women and believe he should be impeached and removed. That's up five points. Since last month's poll joining us now former chief of staff of the Mike Shields and former executive director of the Congressional Congressional Black Caucus Angela Rye both CNN. Political commentators. And Mike. I understand that the White House and Republicans are saying. Oh ooh the support for impeachment rule hasn't shot up but just the number of fifty percent if fifty percent of Americans want you impeached and removed from office. That's it's not really good news for a presidency. Is it John. It's very interesting I never look at just one poll. I always look at a number of polls but I also read the Cross Tabs Red Cross tabs of this poll. I read down deep. This poll has sampled into a twenty five percent of Republicans and that's no BS and so look. Ah It's not an illegitimate poll of the people that it was pulled. I'm sure the numbers are right. But it's also got a massive number of independence in it When you look at the Emerson College poll that came out out in another series pole at the Whether or not to impeach went down eleven points during the hearings. The Gallup poll another serious Paul came Out and it was literally had bounced back to where impeachment was before the hearings began. But I'll say I'll say I'll say I guess I guess what I'll say. Is that if you take the totality of the polls in five thirty million everyone. When does the average they haven't moved or they've barely move in if they have moved? fivethirtyeight shows the average shows. That's a poor for impeachment and removal has crept up albeit. It's slightly so let's take the average because every thought I can cite morning console which shows support goes up. I can cite writers for support goes up and you can cite one for the that goes down. The bottom line is let's stipulate if it hasn't moved still to have fifty percent want you thrown out of office one I'm asking. That's not a very comfortable place to be. Well look I just just first of all. I don't buy that. There's fifty percent thrown out of office but to accept the the point that you're making this has been. I believe very very bad for the Democrats. They've had their time time bat. They made their case and look. I highly highly recommend seriously everyone watching this. Go Watch a the the Clinton affair a six part right series done on a and E.. I I worked for Newt Gingrich in the ninety s when Bill Clinton was impeached and and there are so many parallels to what's happening right now and we when down a path where we were convinced that we had to uphold the law and had to impeach the president are right wing was forcing us there and we paid a political price for it and Democrats are getting getting ready to the. They've had their we'll see and they haven't moved any numbers. The president's democratic approval rating was in the sixties as opposed to the low low forties. Or thirty. Th there's a difference but I take your point Mike Angela. This is something of a Rohrschack. You've heard the numbers now. What do you see here well? I think that it's very clear By virtue of the fact that my colleague here couldn't answer the question. The answer is this is not good for the president It's not it's not good. Just like he can get as many black folks folks is he wants to stand behind him at a rally with off ran black voices. For trump t-shirt. There are no real black voices for trump and there is no real support. Four hundred Emerson poll so mike when you talk the floor even when it was bullshit so I'm just saying let's just be for real for a moment. Carell moment is this. Donald Trump has done something wrong. Donald Trump has been doing things wrong. Donald Trump had several conflicts of interest. Donald trump did wrong with the Ukraine issue. Donald Trump did wrong with the muller report issue. Like we can on and what's happening is people's consciences are finally getting pricked. They understand how grave danger. This country is in and so you can go through the cross tabs and you can go through the fact that enough Republicans weren't hold but here's what we know. Here's what we know. Donald Trump's impeachment support numbers are unprecedented. Or if you're a donald trump tweet their unprecedented is. It didn't Mike and that is something that the Republican Party has to come into account for. It is high time and I've criticized the Democratic Party for this. It is high time that we do right right by the law that we do right by this country and they're finally doing that with impeachment proceedings. Let's get on the other side of this judiciary hearing next week and see what happens. I will oh that I will say that one thing that proves is that these polls show that opinions are pretty solidly entrenched. And I think we've showed tonight Angela. Rye Mike Shields. Thanks for being with us. Thank you John. Bolton's newly elevated presence on social media is giving rise to one central question. What in the world is he up to three sixty continues can't get enough of the NBA sign up for NBA League pass to gain access to every game being played across the association every night with all all new ways to watch through the NBA Visit Mba dot com or the NBA APP to get started? Today people who are really dying. Don't keep bringing it up. Is that true. I don't know I'm just usually around people that die faster. Rick and Morty Sundays at eleven thirty only on adult swim time to check in with Chris to see what he's working on for Cuomo prime time at the top of the hour. Sir J B Not Unlike these pictures of are pretty faces. There's only one image but they are made of manny many little pick solutions so too will be the investigation of this president and tonight to pieces basis that matter if we were wondering why that aid got rushed through at the last second as if we didn't know enough already the whistle blower complaint was told to the White House and the president was briefed. Okay so if you want to know why they released the they have no better answer than the exigency of the pressure they thought thought was coming and as for the aid why did an OEM be. Senior staffers see it is wrong. And why was the duty replaced. Why did they leave big pieces? We'll we'll take you through it. We look forward to seeing you in. Hd Tonight Sir all right coming up. What former National Security Adviser John Bolton is up to on social media? That's next. Hey everyone it's poppy. Harlow were out with a new boss vows episode. This one is special crossover with my dear friend. Rebecca Jarvis you know her as ABC News chief business correspondent and the host there for no limits. podcast what you probably don't know is that we both grew grew up in Minnesota and we went to a Montessori school when we were just four years old but it wasn't until our paths crossed again reporting in New York City that we reconnected more than a decade ago. So check out our conversation on boss miles and then head over to ABC News. No limits were Rebecca interviews me and flips the Mike going on basketball fans as channing. Frye catch me and tasks everyone's on our new show handles bringing you. The Best of social comedian got you covered tune in the handles everyone's Med v.. An Mba former national security adviser. John Bolton is not talking to Congress about the Ukraine affair however he does appear to me teasing social media with tweets. Like this one quote. It probably goes without saying that. Our country's commitment to our national national security priorities is under attack from within America is distracted our enemies or not we need to make national security a priority. So what is he really really saying here joining us now Washington Post columnist and CNN global affairs analyst. Max Booed maxine not talking to Congress but he is now putting out these carefully worded pretty tweets. What do you think he's doing well clearly? He wants attention. He wants to have an impact on the public debate. He's also by the way launching a super PAC Baltin pack back which is a way he can extra political influence and probably also make some money through donations so clearly he's he's getting back into the game but he does not want the one thing he does not want to do. Who is he does not want to do? Is Civic Duty Because Congress is holding impeachment hearings and he clearly has evidence that Congress needs to hear. Because we've heard Fiona Hill say that he referred into this Ukraine deal as a drug deal so he was clearly opposed to what is going on. Trump keeps saying. It's all here so you're not hearing from the people who are in the room while Bolton was in the room so he has an obligation to testify under oath instead of just teasing us on social media is teasing as a social media. Do you have any belief that he actually would want. Want to talk in a public setting in front of Congress under oath. I'm very doubtful because fundamentally at the end of the day. Although Bolton has very strong foreign policy views and to his credit I think not champion those views in the White House even when they were not popular with Donald Trump despite all that at the end of the day Bolton is first and foremost Republican partisan he is is part of this Republican infrastructure. He benefits from it. He's been on Fox News. He's got the SUPERPAC so I don't think he wants to do anything that would contribute to donald trump's impeachment because that would then burn his social networks financial networks the entire infrastructure that supports John Bolton we only have about ten seconds left. But do you think he will say things publicly critical of the president on twitter. I don't know about on twitter but he certainly sang it in behind closed doors. I suspect he will on his book for which he's getting two million dollars dollars. Yeah he he's made senator. This book also paid speeches and audiences but not for free under oath before Congress and the American people next. Move Great to have you with US tonight. Thanks so much. Have a happy Thanksgiving tune into the news continues. So it's time to hand it over Chris for Cuomo primetime shop the Omaha steaks black Friday sale and save bundle issues and memorable state gifts. 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