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Jamie Bozzo: Managing Players Careers

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Jamie Bozzo: Managing Players Careers

"Good stuff. Can. Once again to a how do we call this Elliott bonus edition of thirty one thoughts the podcast Jamie Bozo is someone you should know if you don't already she works. For Spam That is Louis grosses agency and she kinda does I don't want to see everything because I don't want to insult Lewis grows like that but she does everything for Lewis Gross Elliott's. The phrase I use that she's brain I first met her I believe during the World Cup of hockey, and then I ran into her once and we kind of talk about it in the interview she was in town when the flames were in Toronto and she was meeting with Johnny Guterro and you know I started talking with her a little bit of both didn't want to give a lot of it away. You know mind your own business get lost talking to my client. It's none of your business go away. Don't ask me anything about it but you know at times you know we've kind of talked about her role and what Sheikh does and You know I just thought it was interesting I was thinking about free agency and everything that was going on and what a whirlwind it is and they've had some pretty high profile situations in the past few years Tori crew here William De Lander a year ago Brandon Saad one of their clients got traded good rose in the middle of rumors. We don't know what calories going to do and I thought it was a fun conversation to have about what exactly the job entails what kinds of things you. have to deal with because when we think about agents, a lot of us probably think of Ari Gold from entourage or Jeff people who are closer to our age think about our lists, which was a pretty popular HBO show about I twenty years ago. You know these are the kinds of things that I think people wonder about. Is it really light this? You know I I brought up to are actually a few weeks ago and she said after free agency she said, let's get us through that I so. No KRUEG sawed hopefully that makes the interview better and here she is this was a lot of fun and not only was it a lot of fun was really educational as well. understanding what agents do afford their clients always think is a player x got traded her hey player signed and magically they appear on their new team but there's a lot of work that goes in from getting them to their old team to their new team or from their old contract to their new one. Years how with Gene Pozo. Of SPF. Elliot I'm always curious about job descriptions because sometimes the actual job description on a business card sounds good. Oh, that's one for the Yearbook Jim. But then what they actually do is even more interesting and Jamie Basel who joins US her from spam is in client relations I've it's been described to me is Jamie is Louis grosses fixer works with Louis Gross is Louis grosses brain Jamie Basel joins us here on thirty one thoughts the podcast with Jamie. In my pretentious way of framing this interview I am curious about what you do for a living client relations is a pretty wide brush statement. What is it that you do Jamie? Wow Okay. What do I do? I guess I would say a little bit of everything from. Contract work behind the scenes to helping players when they get treated we a player traded over the weekend. So we've kind of been dealing with that. Pretty much everything I. Know that's kind of a wide term but there's a lot that goes into you know this not what's all the behind the scenes staff that not everybody sees? Great. So all of Louis grosses secrets will be spilled out here in a couple of moments and just so our audience that has an idea of who the players are that that Jamie is talking about I mean some of the the more high profile players Tori Crew William Knee Lander Brandon Saad. You mentioned a player that was traded and Johnny Gaudreau Elliott Oh handed over to you. So Jamie before we go into some of the stories I'm more interested in your route. You know there's a lot of people who want to become agents or work with agencies. I don't know if it's the arlit generation or the Ari gold generation but how did you get from there to here? So. It's a funny story and I get asked that question all the time I was actually Lewis's children's babysitter I grew up in the same town where I lived and right after two thousand, four, Lewis approached me and said, would you wanna come work for me and I said to him quite honestly I don't even like hockey I don't know anything about. It I. He knew I Love Sports I said I love Baseball I. Love Football I said Yeah I just don't really watch hockey and he said to me I do need somebody I can trust though. So I said Okay I guess I'll give it a try and fast forward now to two thousand twenty and I'm still here. So this wasn't in my plan. I had no idea what I was getting into I. saw it. I was going to answer the phone for a few months and kind of go from there, and it's just really about than I'm still here. So what was the moment where you said I want to do this I? I I WANNA make a career out of this. Yes. This is for me. I think when I started to take out that they're not just athletes their people. and. I think that's a big misconception that people have where. I understand they make a lot of money and that's the first thing people see but they are just such genuinely Greek people and I know you know this more than anybody being around it all the time they're just. They're great people, their families they have kids, their sons, their husbands. You know that that was really the awakening to me where I realized. There as much as they're not like us, they are like us. And you start to care for them. You know when you start to form these relationships with them where it's not as much just about how much money they're gonNa make but are you going to make the right decisions to put them in the right path to take care of themselves and their families? So walkers through then Toy crew would be it would probably be a good one. So Tori crew. Hits the market not resigned by the by the Boston Bruins in advance of that, what would you have prepared for Torey Krug with the perhaps expectation that he was going to market like what's the package Jamie that you put together for him because hockey fans like follow onto an all this is gone over here. Wow, that seemed really fast and simple and easy, and I know the reality behind the scenes with you isn't what's the package you put together to to prepare that player for the marketplace? So, we take a look at every team before and we go through each team and we look at the salary cap and how much caps be they have, and then we look at their depth charts and where are they going to fit in and you know so we analyze every I guess I would say possible scenario as. You guys know that all changes as prepared as you can be for it, it doesn't really matter and everything changes so fast. But something we actually did for Tori is that I made a spreadsheet and I figured out for Tori. Exactly, how much money he would make an every single market whether he signed in Saint Louis did whether he stayed in Boston and especially now with the new CBA, you have to take into the con- take into consideration, the deferral payment, the three year deferral you have to take into the change in escrow and when that money is going to be back and the federal tax and estate tax. So I gave him this spreadsheet and said to him, we can put an any salary we want any of these numbers. And we can put in any packed wherever you're gonNA play and I will tell you the difference that you will make signing in Boston or signing in. Saint Louis. The team has signed defenseman. To seven year deal the twenty nine year old is a former Boston bruins and three-time all-star crew will average six and a half million dollars over the next seven years for that seven year deal. Oh, it's great I mean. To be honest it was kind of not expected but. As the day went on, it just seemed. You know more and more like a perfect fit and you know as going through some of the things that were available if the roster that the the blues have in place in the core group it just seemed like a mashing now and so it feels great I'm very excited going. and. That was really the biggest. Thing for us to show Tori that there is a difference where you sign you know and. That's the most prepared you can be, but it changes so fast and. As much as you prepare sometimes, it doesn't really matter how much you prepare. What's the wildest situation you've ever been through whether it's a free agency or trade or anything like that when when you tell the story about maybe the craziest scenario that you've been through working in this business, what would it be? I would have to say the William Neulander story. Because we were under such a time crunch there you're talking about the deadline of December first day, he had to sign a couple of seasons to. Anybody know we're Kiefer Sutherland is I'm Alex. Sports net central. Update. There are twenty four hours left until we hit the William Knee Lander deadline. And there's one thing Chris Johnston can be sure of I don't see him being traded I surely don't seem being traded. Time has run out. We have hit the William Knee Lander deadline. Now. What have you genius tell me what happened? Well. Here we are. It is five PM. We had no news all day on William Neil anerba reports suggesting that there is a six year deal that he has signed. That was one for the books because. I kid you not that came down two minutes before that deadline. To where your hand is almost shaking sending over paper because you're like, oh my gosh, there's two minutes left. This is really happening with two minutes left. That was a crazy. Guess Month I would say you know the Toronto media is reporting something different all the time every day. So you're constantly in the spotlight and you're trying to keep the player calm at the same time by talking him off a legend thing not true don't worry about that and that was probably the craziest month I guess I would say that last month is when it really got insane. Well, we all know that I was accurate and everybody else was wrong. So that's that's facts. You'll like walkers through like a couple of situations like we'll get to the signing day in a second. But can you give us an example of something that happens where you're saying okay. We've got to deal with this right away or Willie is upset about something we have to handle him. Can you give us a couple of examples of that process where you really had to manage the client? Yeah it comes down a lot where you get a report that they're getting treated. We get that a lot and the player will call us and say, is there any truth to this and that's our job to find out? Is there any truth to this? More to just prepare them that this could happen and if it does happen, it's okay and are you okay with where you're going, you know some situations we have control over in some we don't. But some of that can't really wait We had an idea even with the Brandon Saad trade, we had an idea could happen and. I kind of warned Brandon ahead of time this could be happening and Saturday morning he sent me a text early and he said Hey anymore news on the trade I said, I haven't heard anything yet. You know I promise. You will be the first person to know this happens and you're trying to you know use all your resources to find out if it's going to happen that's when the player starts to get worried more just because they don't know they don't know where they're going to be tomorrow. That's when you almost have to deal with. It right away. There's a lot of places I WANNA go from here. But first, let's close the loop on on the lander. Describe that afternoon, I remember it was a Saturday night. The lease were in Minnesota Hockey night in Canada. Yeah. Take us through that day as the countdown came to five eastern because if he wasn't signed by five eastern, he couldn't play that year I I have to give Willie credit because. There's not a lot of players could that could do what he did. It takes a lot. I mean I've had players hold out for days and I have to be on the phone with them for hours every day like you can do this it's okay. Don't worry. Go go to the movies goal go out again, stay longer at the gym and every day it's the longest day of their lives and Willie's personality is just so calm and collected and. He knew what he had to do so that was a help us where we didn't have to. We have to you know you do have to calm him down but it wasn't to the point where it was every second having to calm him down but it was controls cats I guess I would say you know Lewis's phone is ringing the phone is ringing. You're trying to make sure everything's in please Ben you're also trying to make sure that as soon as the contract comes in once the deal is done, can you how fast? Can you get it over to get it registered? So it was a few hours of just sheer chaos and. Willie's also in Sweden, as this is happening and our offices located in New Jersey so We're doing all of this over the phone and back and forth and it was it was controlled chaos it ended up working out, but it was controlled chaos now I understand the higher. Now it all makes sense to me because there is gross wanted a babysitter. Someone that can that can babysit clients I mean not necessarily neulander but in the previous example of having to hold a hand for three or four days and assure a player that everything's okay it makes total sense now jamie hired as babysitter. Yeah exactly, and sometimes it's It helps him even more for himself. I always tell the story that people don't know this but Lewis's colorblind. And not an easy thing in hockey especially. That a lot of times I'll have to tell him Oh, you're looking for this team especially when he's going to recruit with this color, Jersey on. And sometimes have to make sure he can see the Color Jersey. It's pretty wild but it happened to him where I always buy him reading glasses and I always buy him black because it's the easiest and the color he can say, well, he was on his way to a draft and he lost his pair. So he went in somewhere on the way to the draft and he bought his own pair of glasses. and. He ended up thankfully meeting his son for dinner before he got on the plane and he took out his glasses to look at his cell phone. At one point on his son turned him and said, why do you have hot pink neon glasses on right now dad. He's like, what are you talking about? He's like I just bought these. He's like Dad, those are hot pink beyond glasses. Awesome. So he called me and he said. That's why I keep you around at that point is only say, yeah, that's right. Son Hot pink man get with it. It's called foul intrusive you one day I mean the draft is not somewhere though you wanna have the it was like, oh my gosh, no That's a very good point especially around scouts because they all wear black that citizens appleby Armstrong calls it the Scout, fit? Yeah, it is. It is. That's a that's a great name for it a Colby Armstrong. Originally, we'll get these guys all dressed up in the scout fit one final question on neulander through it because he's a young guy, he's going through this. and. He's a second-generation hockey player his father. Of course, as we all know, Michael Neale underplayed in the in the NHL. was he at all nervous through it? All or the fact that he had a dad that went through contract negotiations and through the NHL did that help William Lander through his discussions? I think it did I mean Michael is a great resource for William not everybody has that so to have that firsthand and. William gets to use Michael a lot for you know sounding board met his dad can release. But we were very fortunate and I think William is confident enough and himself that he could. He knew what he was doing and he felt he deserved a certain contracts and it takes a lot to do what he did. I I said to him right after I said, I, am so impressed with you at this age to be able to handle yourself like that it's. Not An easy thing. So I think he was nervous. I think anybody is naturally nervous I don't know if William Whatever admit that he was nervous but I think you're naturally nervous but he was very calm and composed. We actually teased him. You know when it was starting to get done that listen don't take your time signing anything sending anything back. Don't do your usual to cool. Stance just you have to sign and get it back. Louis. Cam. Saying that so. Let's do a couple of other scenarios here. So Brandon Saad as you said your client, what happens when he gets treated what is the team's responsibility Chicago Colorado, and what is your responsibility? I have to say the teams are great with this stuff. The team services people are usually great with the stuff I was just on the phone brandon actually earlier today going over because. You know people here when players get treated but I don't think they fully realized how much goes into this. Brandon said to me on the phone today he said Yeah, I've never gotten traded where I can't just drive to the place. He said, what do I do? I, have to ship like my car and stuff I said, yeah, we're GONNA. Have Half, devil your car shifts and Brandon's married. So it gets a little more complicated the teams are very helpful with everything but the players always have questions on what what do we do? What's the first step? What do I do? How do I do this? What is the team responsible for? Does the team pay for this? So he's for example, Brandon go out next week you have to find a place to live. And the teams, the teams are very helpful, but it's usually for us to be kind of in the middle orchestrating the whole process. And helping him figure out what the best way to go about stuff is. was there maybe a the maybe the biggest trade Jamie that you remember that kind of came out of nowhere was there anyone that caught you guys by surprise? Oh, that's a great question. I don't think. So we pretty much have usually suspected it. One of the biggest trees I remember being a part of was when Murray Saint Louis Dot treated to the Rangers. Wise Lot of people are asking why but I guess it's asking you shall receive Saint Louis asking to be traded to the New York Rangers and General Manager Steve into the Tampa Bay lightning happened to pull it off St. Louis traded today to the Rangers for Premium Follower Ryan Callahan into high draft picks body was one of the most liked if not the most respected lighting ever down the Jersey that was a crazy day it was a great day but we kind of had a feeling it was happening. 'cause is Erman keeps his places card close to the vest like he's as quiet as they get. Yeah. But that was a crazy day and Mardi actually played that night. He got traded he treated in the morning he played that night at Madison. Square Garden me and Louis. Race to get their Mardi jumped on the plane with two sticks in his equipment bag, and that's it and. right away. They actually land to the helicopter on the west side highway to get into the garden and time. and. Resources to the garden to see him in that game. I'm thankful for everything. that. Lightning is brought to me my family with that said I'm a lot of respect for. Mr Vinick Steve is events owner, my wishes and it was a tough day for my family, but we're all excited to be here. this is an opportunity for me. Play in the big market team. And It's good. It's going to be a challenge being somewhere for fourteen years I. It's it's just different. You know just just just getting ready for the game and. Just a little things that. You used to you know but. I don't think any treat. We've been really surprised that it's more just OK. The trade actually did happen now and now the chaos star. I remember one trip to Toronto. I came down for a Toronto Game Against Calgary the morning skate and I. saw you there and you live in. New Jersey. So, you were there to visit your client johnny good row from the flames. How often do you do that? How often do you travel to see your clients and you know what are those trips? Regular. I gotta see my guy because something's going on. They're kind of both were very fortunate where we are that we have the devils rangers islanders. So most of our guys come through here and we get to see them here it is very different those seeing somebody home or away by any time they're doing any type of endorsement or anything like that. That's when we try to be there because we're very protective of them in a way and we want whoever is. Doing any time, any type of promotion with them? We're protected we WANNA make sure they're being portrayed in the right way. So anything like that. That's when usually you see me Elliott and I go and I will usually say to the player. Let me be the bad guy I'll tell them. No. If you don't. WanNa do something I'll tell them yes and those are the types of that I will usually go. Well that leads me again to another follow up is you give us an example Jamie of maybe where you said to a potential sponsor or endorser? No this is too much and we're not doing that Oh. Yeah. A few times Sometimes they will say stuff is only going to take two hours and after about three and a half they're like, oh Come on. Let's let's keep going and I'm like, no, I'm sorry and they don't expect me to say that. But again, I'll say to the player. Let me be the bad guy here. It's fine. I've been at enough. Some companies are great to work with and then some try to push the envelope and it's always you know just give us another hour just give us another few hours and that's when I've had to step in and say, okay, enough is enough. Let's go. All, right. We are about twenty five minutes deep into this Jeremy wants team dirt, and here's hung in a frame it and see what I can get Outta here. I'm curious about you're talking about Brandon Saad, a couple of moments ago, and I've got a ship all my cars gotta move everything I'm curious about teams pushing back on any type of moving expenses I can recall an Elliott. You can remember this deal as well. When eagerly on off got treated from Detroit to Florida we all knew this was a rental. He only ended up playing I think like twenty five, maybe thirty games for the panthers but he wanted his entire wine cellar moved. To his new place in Florida and the panthers squawked big about it. Have you ever had teams push back and say hold on a second here now this is too much. I actually haven't I gotta say maybe I just represent really great players that don't try to push the envelope But I haven't yet. I witnessed more GM fighting with Louis I guess I would say and that push back more than he was pushed back but no, I haven't had that. Yet I mean, don't Jinx me now as I'm dealing with the player that just treated but I haven't yet so so far so good. Okay. My next one is about the size of contracts and I can. Remember we used to work with Doug Maclean and when he was general manager of the Columbus Blue Jackets the Rick Nash. Deal was a pretty groundbreaking one coming out of his entry level deal rings the bell and sort of resets that marketplace in a lot of ways and tells a story that they're. They're flying back on on Mr McConnell's plane and Rick Nash Him, and says. Wow. Thanks, Doug. That's a real lot of money rate there. How many times have you had a client say Jeez Jamie that's a lot of money and almost become overwhelmed when they realize know the decimal point involved here. A lot I. Guess I would say. you know hockey players are I mean maybe I'm a little biased but I think one of the best rational athletes there are out there. They. Really just are such great people and I think they're so appreciative of everything. I really do believe that, and I, think when they see this, I think sometimes they're just like this is more money than I could have ever imagined. One of the first time Johnny go drill was up in our office, his dad came up with us and. There was an autograph seller up here and they were doing a licensed memorabilia signing and deter toss instead why is this guy here? Who would ever want to buy my son's autograph? He's said it so. Sincere. And he one hundred percent meant it and I turned him and I said somebody's GonNa WanNa buy his autograph I promise. When he was like really somebody's really gonNA. WanNa buy his autograph. and. I just thought that was just such a great moment where. He was a dad I. You know before anything else and John was still his son and that's how we thought of them just as found before anything else. I can. Assume. A lot similar in the lander. Personally are they comparable? I would say, no, well, that's a good question by me then. Yeah that was a great question. I've known John since he was in college the first time I ever met him. He came up to our office Lewis said John's coming up here. You know him and his brother and he walked into our office the first day that I ever met him in Flannel Pajamas Pan and came up here and I turned to Lewis and my eyes were just like wide open. And he looked like a little kid and I ordered him a philly cheese steak 'cause that's what he wanted for lunch. And I turned to. What I said this is this is a baby and. He said Nope. I'm telling you could play hockey though. and. I. Guess. They're different personalities I. Guess I would say I maybe because I've known John Longer from the beginning more say and it's very different being a number eight draft pick and a sixth round draft pick when everybody tells you, you're too small for your whole life to play hockey and you know you change a little bit. I guess I would say so take us through that process. He's taken in the sixth round Calgary all the sudden. He starts becoming a star and then you guys in the flames have negotiated deal for him to leave school and go play in Calgary Yup, and that was a crazy night to we john had can really make the decision if he was gonNA leave and it ultimately came down to his mom as it usually does with everything for everybody anywhere. that. It came down to his mom being okay with leaving school and he just really wanted to make sure she was okay with it and once she gave the blessing for him to leave. Then he was like, okay I'll leave and go play curious Jamie how many times like would you or Lewis? Like rule a player say I know this is what you're thinking but I'm telling you know or do this does it ever happen or does it always have to be the clients final choice contract? Wise. It's really their choice I mean. We'll advise this is what we think you should do. But this is what we think you should do, but it really is your choice. Other. Times when it's maybe you shouldn't tweet that out should post that maybe you shouldn't go here. Maybe you shouldn't go there. That's kind of when I come in and say you are absolutely not doing that or you are absolutely not posting not or you are absolutely not doing this. Home. That's when I get called in to say, no, you're absolutely not doing. I'm not expecting you to name names on this one but what are some of the more weirder requests or things you've had to help professional athletes with that most quote unquote normal people just take for granted and a book end it this way a lot of these athletes are grow up in elite level programs where everything is taken care of them and things that you and I made for granted driver's licenses travel shopping whatever it just a matter of day-to-day living. But for them, it's always been handled before have you had any situations where you have to step back and take a deep breath and say I can't believe I'm going to have to do this with a grown man. Butts. Many I've gotten a lot of I lost my credit card. What do I do? I get that all the time all the time I get a lot of I lost my cell phone. That's the biggest one to bats always my favorite when it. You know I feel strange number call. and. I don't recognize the number because they're using somebody else's phone. And it's I lost my cell phone. Do you know where it is? Well, it's in a cab in Montreal. Okay she's unsure that's only happened once. Yeah that's all. Yeah and the best is, is that nine times out of ten they don't have a Pasco on their phone. That started to be a big thing with me that I would start to tell them right away. You need to put a passcode on your phone and you need to make sure you know you're find my iphone logging so you can give it to me. So I can race your phone right away when you lose your phone. And I'm like you said, it's so accurate. Everything is taken care of for them, and then they leave whether it be college or one of these hockey programs, and now with your out into the real world and not you're making a ton of money to on top of that. So I, get a lot of some don't even know how to deposit a check I had a player happy signing bonus check of ninety, two thousand dollars and slept with it under his pillow for a few days because he didn't know where to put it. and. He then went to the bank and went to the teller and asked bi-polar to just put it on his debit card because he wanted to take his brother out to dinner that night. Awesome. Yeah Ninety two, thousand dollars. We've always heard me various hockey players will tell you the story of Gab first few checks I didn't know what to do with them. So I just stopped him in the glovebox of my of my truck and then I realized holy smokes they were like half a million dollars of checks in my glove box right now. So this is in strange to you Jamie at all. No not at all not at all. How would you? Sort of mentioned. Social media second ago. How would would you advise? Your clients to have if they are going to be active on twitter to have two accounts, one, the public account and to the burner account or is used to call it egg accounts. So you can see what people are saying or what the conversation is without actually having to follow people or engage. You know I thing I tried to tell them if you're going to dip your toes and social media. Be. Knowledgeable of social media know what you're getting yourself into some have no idea and they don't fully realize what twitter is even I remember having to and you don't think that you would ever have to have these conversations. I had to explain to one of our older players what twitter was years ago. And I'm like well, twitter's twitter and he's like, what do you mean? I, don't understand what is that. I and you're trying to find the words but you kind of just assume. knows. What that is, and I'm like. Well, you could send a tweet and he's like, what's The tweet? So the biggest thing I can tell them is is. To just make yourself knowledgeable. Ask questions to social media can make or break you unfortunately. And, some of our players are great. Tory crew is a perfect example. He is so great on social media. He is so funny he's so witty, appropriate easy and other players would rather have nothing to do with it that they don't even care about it. They don't want to be involved in it. It's almost too much for them. If a player has, let's just say a player has a bad night. Goes Maya's five or something like that. How quickly do you reach out? How often do you reach out Lewis usually talks to them that night he will reach out pretty much right away we try to stay on top of things as. which I mean, we know when bad may happen and we know one good news happen. But Lewis will reach out to that player right away that night and sometimes they'll write back and sometimes they won't especially how bad the night was. But they need a little reassurance sometimes and unless you're in it and in the business and know how stuff works sometimes. You're one of the only people they can really relate to at that moment what are the hardest discussions you have to have with your clients you players? That that's another good one Elliott hurt US discussions. Hardest discussions are when A player wants to go to a team I guess I would say I'm not team doesn't want that player. That's a hard discussion to have when you know you have a player and they're like, all right. Well, these are my top three teams I was loved to play there and it's hard discussion to have when. None of those teams want your player. And it's all right. You have to go back to the drawing board that's a hard discussion, but you just have to do it unfortunately. Okay. Just as as a dovetail to that one. Then when you have a player who really wants to play for a team and that team is interested in him but at a much lower rate than another team that also wants him, what are those discussions like? I'm sure some players like I grew up a huge bruins fan. It would mean everything to my parents to see me play for the Bruins. Well, that's great. But Elliot's got a whopper of an offer rate over here. How are those discussions? Yeah. That's a discussion usually where it. Okay. What would the Bruins need to offer you? For you to turn La down. That's the hard discussion, and that's where they have to almost mentally come up with a number or how much is la going to have to offer you to blow Boston out of the water and you say I will go here for any amount of money for that amount of money I don't care you know maybe that's not my top choice, but I don't care and that's what you have to mentally prepare them for, and they have to come up with those numbers and it's important to do that earlier rather than later because they have to be ready for when it was teams come in with those numbers. Whether they like the numbers or not from both sides. So what have you found listen we've lived the salary cap. Now going back to two thousand five what do you find is most important to players outside of compensation I mean there are caps and there's team caps and there was rookie there's caps inside of caps in this system right now what are the other things that are most important to players today in the NHL I think living now where you're gonna live I, think the living situation I. Think they all are kind of late now very aware of that. I think where they're gonNA raise their kids where they're gonNA raise their family. I think travel to I think the way the schedule has been recently that some of the travel schedules are not easy anymore for some of these teams and players are starting to ask that question and starting to realize that and be more aware of that. How much of you warn players go for example, going into a lockout or going into coming out of this you know worn them saying, Hey, guys, you know the market's GonNa be tight, save your money. How much of that is discussed a lot. We're very fortunate that Lewis is actually a CPA and we do all of our players tax returns here so There's no downtime here basically, but that is so beneficial to our players because you know we do projections all the time with them like. You know, let's say this and you know you gotTa Watch your money for this and this could happen this year. So at least. Louis is such financial knowledge on their situation to help them not only now but also from when they're done playing, you know he told me right away when I always started. It's not about this contract that the player's GonNa sign it's about their career. You can't think of just what are they gonNA sign right now it's what are they going to sign Mac then next and what are they gonna sign after that and then what are they going to do after they're done plan? So I think that Is something that He is so in tune with, and that's so important especially now after what we're going through. So how do players Jamie want to be told about trades remember Nazem Kadri. Feeling a little bit miffed that he was called by Columbus on the phone and not told face to face to which I always maintained in the world of social media it's better to hear it by a phone call. Then read a tweet about it before the other side contacting you how to players want to be told that they've been traded. I think a phone call is sufficient. I mean, we find out stuff on social media before it even happens. Now that I think face to face, you can't. You don't even have time to talk to somebody face to face now before it's out on twitter or somewhere else. So I. Think Phone Calls Sufficient and I think most NHL teams you know the GM call right away as soon as it happens and they'll let you know but I just think you don't have time for face to face stuff is stuff is getting out way too fast. More and more women are getting jobs in hockey. We've seen Alexandria in Seattle for example, and she's got a pretty bright future emily cast on gay just represents now the Alexi live the the number one pick in the NHL draft. What advice would you give to young women who are going to listen to this and say I would be interested in doing that I guess I would say that don't be intimidated and just really I. Mean Sports are for Everyone I. Guess you know we we see all those campaigns and they really are though for everyone I'm a mom to. which our players laugh about that all the time they found that out a lot about about that during covert when I would talk on the phone and I would have to apologize when there'd be two screaming girls in the background. But just put yourself in a good position. You know I think I'm fortunate enough that Lewis taught me so much and it gave me the opportunity to realize that just because you know I'm a female and I love sports that doesn't mean that I can't you know be actively involved in it. What's maybe one misconception that you learned about the business that you thought was true about working in the business that wasn't true or something you thought no way and it was true. I guess I didn't realize the. How amazing these players are and how much you would start to almost consider them family Torey Krug on Friday when that whole situation and his signing went down. You know I was in the Office by eight am and I think it was twelve fifteen am when I finally got everything over and formalized with St Louis and that's when he sent me a tax and then I know today was a really long day. Thank you so much for everything today, and that just shows again that these are players than you. You care about them. You care about their family you care about their decisions where they're going to end up I speak to the wives a lot to kind of talk them off the ledge a little bit, and just reassure them that everything will work out with this will work out. And, I, think that's what really helped me realize what sports is all about and. that. These are just people to. Last question that I have for you sort of winks at the the last one that Elliott mentioned and you find in, we talk a lot about women in hockey on this podcast. Do you find that the guys find it easier to up to you? Than to another guy. I think sometimes because I can almost be that. A little more relatable I. Guess if that makes sense than you know an older man who is your agent, you know their stuff that they'll tell me that they'll that I'll say don't worry this. You know it never leaves this conversation it will you know Louis doesn't even have to know about that and I think in that sense sometimes I also think they know I can relate to their wife to if they're married or girlfriend that. Not, a big component to you know I I called Tori on Friday and I said to him at one point I said. I care how you're doing but how mel doing? That's who I. Really WanNa Know How is she doing all this? and. Because I really do I sympathize with her too it's not just about him. It's about her and it's about her their daughter. So I think in way it helps them times. Actually. It's funny. You bring that up because I've told a story before I had a conversation with one player and he was saying like I've heard what you guys say about me on TV I go we'll do you watch it and he goes no my family tells me and I said to them tell your family to stop telling you what's being said on TV because it's always worse. How much do you have to manage a players family whether it's a partner whether it's parents siblings anyone how much do you have to manage that sometimes a lot Some families are a little more over the top and others. Some are easy summer. Great. Some parents from the time we take on the. You know their son we will never hear from them the entire time. And some families. We're really really close with that. They're kind of like our own family. Sometimes, we have to tell parents to back off I. Remember Louis had to tell a player's father years ago you need to back off you need to stop and. Essentially. Saved the player's career. It really did the dad was a little too much over the top and he was getting involved too much and once Louis did that the player really got. On a better track and a better route and it ended up saving the player's career. Was it a New Zealander be good role or see-sawed which one was it really be none of the above I can actually say. All right we've we've taken enough of your time. I know you're busy. Your office always is Thanks for spending a big part of your day with us today Jamie. This has been a real eye opening and and learning interview it's It's been at the lights continued success both in your role as as babysitter of of doctors also babysitter of hockey players we we appreciate your time today. And thank you by. Having me. Jamie Bozo. Really interesting informative conversation a lot to take away their the stuff on dealing with whether it's William Neulander in his contract negotiations Brandon Saad trade most recently the free agency anybody Saint Louis of their client Torey Krug. A lot of interesting things Elliott, and the thing that I found fascinating was how she talked about how they put together different types of packages and essentially prepped Tori crew for the free agent market place. Well first of all, let me just say when she talked about Johnny grow showing up in Flannel Pajama Pants. I lost the ability to do it in the interview because it kind of passed its time, but I did the interview and Flannel Pajama Pants. So I can empathize Johnny Goodwill I would like to say I, support his fashion choice all those years ago. There was a lot there. I thought was was really interesting and you know she's always going to be careful. She can't really come out and say everything she wants to tell us. You have to be guarded you have to keep some things privately, but I've found in the land I mean there's a lot of high profile stuff there and the neulander thing about you know that whole negotiation, how tough it was, and you know don't screw around get this thing signing, get it back or else you're not going to be playing this year. The GOODRA Steph autographs is pretty funny too like she's just a wonderful person and so talented what she does and and quite valuable to Louis Gross Ok WanNa. Let you. Know as well and a couple of days you're going to hear another podcasts. From us, I know last week we were we were taking a break and this time we mean it, but we want to do these two podcasts. So the one you just listen to what Jamie Basel was one the other is with a how should I describe him Elliott irate or maybe an annoyed Adam oates I would say annoyed as opposed to irate. So really quickly tease how the podcast that people will here in a couple of days came together. We'll basically what happened was I was sitting around and he called and he was angry about something that he saw instagram a drill that a coach put on there for kids and he said that drill will not help a hockey player and so he wanted to do a podcast about how could help Better, drills. The, one time we had Adam oates on the feedback was fantastic and right away. It's get Adam oates back. So he is back here in a couple of days on the podcast and I think that you'll really enjoy it unless you are a hockey skills coach Elliott or unless you are a hockey coach. Because Adam kind of puts you guys on who's running terrible drills. Yeah. You're who's running terrible drills get the props off the ice. Here's what you need to start learning because you get put on blast by Adam oates, taking us out today, and again we think Jamie Basel for stopping by the podcast taking us out very talented artists from Edmonton Alberta last month Kelly Thomas released her five track EP. 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E114: The Buy Side #2 - Peter Markey - TSB

Unofficial Partner Podcast

33:08 min | 10 months ago

E114: The Buy Side #2 - Peter Markey - TSB

"Hello. Welcome to unofficial partner the sports business podcast I'm Richard. Gillis. This is the second in our series called the buy side conversations about the reality of sports sponsorship. We've CMO's and other senior brand marketing decision makers. Today's guest is Peter Marquis CMO of TSB bank. Peter is responsible for over the banks marketing and digital sales activity from brand analytics Research Effectiveness Strategy Social Media and marketing communications managing a team of over one hundred people across multiple sites. He was former marketing director of Aviva the Insurance Company and Cmo of post office say and more than. To find more conversations about every facet of the sports business, just search unofficial partner in your favorite podcast APP and so on up to our weekly newsletter via unofficial partner dot. com. THANKS COMING ON WE WE'RE GONNA talk about sports sponsorship later on. But first of all, can you just define your job CMO AT ESP? I've got an idea about what it might might be, but just tell us what, what, how do you define it? Says everything. You'd think over the Komati Joe Service is branding and sponsorship is dangerous researches dishcloths so bebel And tell me about the brand then. So TSP I'm. Eastern Lowest Esp. TSP before that I've got an idea again I've come all sorts of preconceptions and Possibly, right and wrong about the ESP brand. Why is it different than other banks? She came back to the highstreet just around seven years ago as a result of. The. His ten years ago in the European Union Roadway Lloyd's needs to give up a set number branches to speed was brought back as a standard bank no longer co op Lloyd's. been going from strength to strength since rarely all out on money confidence helping people with money in that local communities and environments will not people help. People aren't real complexes difference. How do you think the sort of marketing behavior of the banking sector generally has changed since the banking crisis? Yeah I think it some. Become a lot more about. The importance of seventh looking off to people think Rodney son was never I think a lot of buying of quite understand human face on that business. We'll colleagues in appetizing more emotional driven worker advice Aaron supporting customers, customer support help definitely mccombs. Just in terms of the brought, the definition of moderate things I always. Think that. The appetizing marketing industry is allowed it to become quite a narrow comes focused sort of. Business and a lot of the the work. The East to be defined as marketing is broader than comes has sort of gone to the big four consulting groups and and. What how do you agree with that? What do you see as a as a function? Yeah. I thought I. Think ultimately it's comes from share I. Think. His offing I think marketing is about understanding customers understanding. WHO. The customers all you. Of a McKay showed you do everything you can to serve them the very best you can on the thing that is about calms but do think maltings roles much bigger housed about using that insult accustomed to shape better service experiences better propositions, tissue culture in the organization lives up to the brand as well. So I think it's definitely calls for his bro think it's much more about helping a business live and breathe this purpose on service customers orderly. and. How to digital working to that that? Obviously that's the big growth area everyone in sports talking about digital transformation going direct to customer. How is that in banking? Context I think it's. Important. And the I'm still huge Africa face to face physical presence I. Think. People still do onto. visit. A real people web secured comes associated mortgage is you want to pick up the phone, but equally digital is we will see as is has accelerated amounts for them with a credit of our situation. So him digital as important as I am the digital sales experience within teams. A lot of my comment spent in continuing to improve all all sales experience when people fest, join us when the taking on additional experiences the very best can. So it's yeah massively, my job businesses doing, is there a danger I mean I, guess in the suggestion that is that as we move from face to face to sort of doing things via our phones, is that traditional role of the bank, which again is broader there is there was a social element to banking that was important and is that is that attention that you sort of very aware of in terms of of losing that personal connection? I think on expressing in. Danger commoditisation a C-. A number of sort of not just in banking Financial Services Areas Way y'all Watson Insurance has become a commodity is if you look at. Locate before you can get myself through comparison websites just. Bouncing lingers in prices on the screen from. Ten years ago. I think unite banking the the balanced with moving things ditchling. Making sure you don't believe what your brands about in the process. Let's take US interest become. He's not rice again, just the best thing is to get the very best APP fuel target Maga market the as she demonstrates what you'll you'll brand is about. So I think as as moved comes digital I think more losing your more. You're the processes were decay I don't say you're you're you're very valid point that the connectivity people fail with real relationships. Real people. Putting humanity people at the hall of what you're doing additional weather secreted video Kohl's all mind Chaz of that I. Think the still need for that real human interactions is trying to do the best. You can replicate parts of that in addition experiences. Well, she could almost see a situation interesting that the you know in. A sports context we've seen a huge influx of online betting brands who are. Again differentiation is very difficult and they are using for. Premier League for shirts to try and. Find, some way of of fight you know physical embodiment of the of the brand you can sort of see. A big entrance of new banking brands I guess we're seeing a bit of it, but that's always been quite slow market. But do you think that is that part of your vision of the future? The idea is that being modelled on a you know for banking perspective. I can say that tessies role in the world. But also you have got to your point, a sea of logos in an APPS, could be coming at me and say offering various. Around chipping away at, you'll call mock is that something that? A banking brand is is is looking at. Yeah I. THINK HE'S The I. Within a number different industries. Everyone avoids in competitions. Health is now. Actually having people committed innovate. Disrupts said markets insurance founded in energy in other markets in the united the United. Not Actually can be a good thing from a customer perspective. I, think the. In Mockus banking is all about continuing education standing still on continuing to meet the needs of your customer in a way best demonstrates. Rebounds. Brandon is the ultimate days different. So that's where the go to ban. Any competition comes in meter uses a capitalist for positive change within the Iranian action. I think if for me, it's about was a second fountain of assigning. Color drive for innovation and that's why. Financial Services Sectors To the earlier point about sort of financial crash impact because it seismic on societal but also on the banks themselves in terms of. Fundamentally but also the way they communicate. Do you think that we've seen sort of brand purpose movement? It's got to be linked to the financial crisis in some way. What's the evidence that it works? How did you are you a believer in brand purpose? Yes. Yes I am I think. It's interesting I think. The the watch out any services that has to be real it has to be lived in Bre- on I think. There's loads of evidence I've seen from your primary and secondary research also goes in. Generals ever even the last couple of years later in the lost head. Should Ashley people looking more more at the wall sits hallways organization. What makes it tick on I? Think very much. So the table stakes are choosing some organizations now, all about the value of you do. Seem to be doing. So now, I think purposes really important but it has to be lived in breathed throughout the organization on a attached on his second ago. is a fantastic model interbranch us about. How To be successful delivering on your purpose so they say you're going to deliver not just real marketing communications but you'll portion service scream out at us the vertically report says compass you'll coaches in the people that at work business needs to be demonstrating living out the purpose than the environment channels from your branches your digital. Needs be so screaming at peppers as well, and is only really went will four of those working together up when you put this becomes not just really with as I should but real to your customers as well, and if you're only doing one of those popey it, you're out the site what we're Xyz you just need someone to experience on find that's or reality than you've undermined Europa offend believer mobile and thing that all for those boxes needs. hundred rail ineffective the the implications of that Quite. Stock on in terms of well year now vulnerable to a bad news story much more than you are. Before if you're if you're leading on brand purposes A. Part of your, you know the core of the business that means that any bad story. amplifies far more more vulnerable than you were before at. Purpose brands brands all more in the spotlight than ever before. I mean take some of the online fashion shops in some of the challenges all. These stories is so on not why would they have above is will not whether in the public high therefore so I'm of the view that the actually. As a business now acting responsibly is is more than up. At as you saw the if you have a Pepsi and. You need to be living breathing out. So I think it's A. Those who are going big insurance company, Now. Morrison details paid any bit of purpose with. To walk into it knowing the it has to be real. Is Not. Opposed to the hangs on a mole that had one of its real in the business, and then if his real living breathing that for you you ought to coordinate. So you you to avoid situation simply because Israeli the organization. As I was talking to David welded that she on this Poe cost few weeks ago where he's just retired from obvious and formerly Barclays Sima. His one of the points that we were talking about there was the. Brand. Pepsi's quite difficult to make entertaining. There is A. Certain tone around the sort of creative execution work. So the outcomes can come across as a bit of Dolon worthy rather than. we we were comparing that to appetizing in the past which there was ads that made us laugh or. More charming and actually the brand purpose route. is a one dimensional. That is not tricky for you think. So with the bronze on foot tall. FELUCCA yet at the sponsorship, we do to his wait wait is also ship, but we would call that Paul a ship with the pride of Britain which responsible for over five years now home. is about people helping people, which is hall brand on his about you everyday people doing extraordinary things whether it's rescued rescued some refining how founding charity or? Funding a vaccine or medicine Disease to Britain that is something that usually engaging by we know that from the audience figures for the people to watch the program. Goes down and engaged with the content online, but also the research feedback as well. So I think if you connect with Roy. Sponsorship property on activated in the Right Way I. Think. It can be really interesting. is just about finding. The right thing if you'll brand is not about what I think is a bit flat when brands badge stuff you the stock that logo Doesn't do more than that is a great to on these things these. Ownership a meaning behind it that. You can enact if I do something with comes rail to your customers onto every colleague within the organization as well. So look across. T- spam who move into the sports question there isn't any sport in your portfolio. Am I right in saying that there is a tonight off did the lost sportsmanship death in a big way viva premiership was. Also to I'm a big we decided that the right thing cross is proud of Britain mainly because it. is traditional values is treatable. Rebound is true. All purpose also think sports sponsorship full financial services is quite crowded quite well. And and actually there's something intrinsically true to what rebounded pride of Britain this. Other things. Let's have even an you know you'll. Sports, generally, what are the what are the pros and cons of your liberated from having to defend it because you don't have any rights APP sports, right. So what what does it do well and also whatever its limitations Authentic Positive Sports. Fans. A hugely passionate people about the spoil, the team of discipline fillet on I think if you can capture that and homicide association is a great way to connect with people in runaway. SPO is also about the things we enjoy in our downtime talk office, all social time fun time of tumbled friends family, and again if you can tap into the Paul and experience the haunting into Paul People's Pau. Will enjoy. If you'll brand becomes synonymous nine with uh I think those things can rip off well on people's perception of a given brand. I think the challenges that come with it. All produced a couple that comes to mind the festive, which is the. some sports appeal more to some people that other. So you go to get your target audience fall. And if you sponsor one club over another club, your Audiences to to to talk. One audience specifically. Targeting the busy designed. Is, is worthy opponent in this ship I think as well. So I think it is the but those would be the concerns on golf but I think if you walk into Your Eyes Open in the United States by today about knowing your customers I think it's really important that he got up at Ryan. Thank. You wrote the other is just the day driving will sponsorship of just benching something. Too many things over the last ten years just. Not, fall, through West was me with some rights and. We think you'll go look good with this. We think we're good fit but they really understand the brand the best sponsorship pinch on how the ones where people really intrinsically understand while the brand on work before represents on how it would fit without association. So thank you get the audience Bryant. by another, you're okay with that and secondly. Can you go further than just a budget exercise? Can you make you real bikes to the people in business customers about why you're doing US politician activites it. Can Not just regular going can you can invest behind it really activated people about it has meeting. It says if the impact on Vivere rugby you evolved, did you make the decision to come away from rugby? It was I was quite an interesting position I joined the vapor. Decided to things, I won't in the first of which was to stop the north ownership of the second, which was to win the rugby premiership, and so I shot through the loss period of of that but interested in business still wanted to ensure the guests addressing We maximize the opportunity to engage with audiences on unmake relevant from him. If I look at university city the community level, it challenge decided city to act in the city of Norwich. Premiership, the law around content with. A. Number of the toll cremation road plays were very volt of the final just to activate, bring it to life the story around in Vivo has health wing, the health side of it at the Lincoln stuff we just to give residents. So yeah. I was water plans to. Say in terms of London. Two, thousand, Twelve Lewis. ESPN were were major. Local partner that has it been has there been any sort of enduring impact on the brand or in the company of that relationship. I think probably the if felt that would it be more? Lloyd's Bayside Adduced to work with a collision TSB, he came across from Lloyds. At that is spoken very highly a particular positive have moment for the brand twenty twelve was incredible was now a something that was was truly extraordinary. So that old I hear is supposed to fix bounce it. You know I think for us is a brand we now but coming moral Iras as tis based on limited after seven years. So I think I'm. As things lot prior to Britain revolt in now for greater impact, the things that have happened in the past eve mentioned audience and getting you know understanding the audience, how do you understand the audience? How do you define them for if your brand? So it's important for that is is looking at a establish is customers. Today business don't do enough to understand serving today which customers are attracted to the brand gravitate towards which ones are buying products from you will about your brand or other brands. That's a good starting point. At I think you touched me about Washington marketing think forget it to be very strategic. So it's not just about them what you go today, which is important but respiration. Audiences. You'll brand could better appeal to better appeal to today you're under under whiting. And again, those Cambria, Catholic. Catalyst full sponsorship and it might be find. SPAW team or event appeals to the customer already goal because you will more than or might be you identify actually. Different. You WanNa get to. Ongoing involved in. Some midnight midnight worth work when I was at Mowlam We lose Branko Molin premier more than had the room to reach into a slightly more audience and we did some sort of used by a rugby scholarship at the time and. Not that wealth as a Kamba SINGLE-A to different markets. Again, if you identify that different market you, there's ways into shit can be a powerful way to unlock fat particularly because if you're trying to get rather with US admiral yet again, Gordon? So horny games with a set top event like rugby event could be crooked something else and you know you wanNA appeal that as a shortcut into giving your brand. So. Immediate relevance if you activated the Rottweiler. Just on a on a sort of practical level how you I mean I'm assuming. that. The information or the data you get on your customer, come your banks. You know we're doing on a fairly granular basis is that is that is that the basis of your? Looking at customers plus researches is research traditional research patillo factor research massively bolted they're all. Aussie segmentation mobile's you you can. You can acquire or invest in yourself bill that arrive all. They're all in organizations like at CIC on come to mind or others where you can tap into existing segmentation with with your with your advice. So you don't have to start from scratch as she. You can work with the Aussies audiences give you a few. Mapping. So important because you should decide just look at your audience if you look at. What reputation you've go off a UK Kashima. So CIC is a good example Tell you. Yet, what you've got run customer. You're only in the sense of UK population potentially missing out Saul. I'm Westerly to spacey's Lie. CIC ON. So there are. A number of these experience or another one just a just do the data providers so experience. The A number out axiomatic companies that have just. Have a really good rich understanding of you can't. Consumers. You can work with them not suppliers you iron understanding enriched. So. One of the questions I guess full people selling sports sponsorship on the other side if you're a team or league. Is the. How do they? Prove to you that the fans are that of research and the information they have on their fans is always the question mark so. Are you convinced when you have a sponsorship conversation that they know their fans in a way is useful. I think. The pitch of obscene old people. Dr Welby said that doesn't do you think that the question is great. You know will happen, but we'll fit with brand. For me, it's never just enough young a spoil. It's called the sufficiency of it's it's the next leap overnight, which is the kind of the of. What does that mean for brand? So either? The rights holders is identified the. they've also to your customer base through. So Research this all these parallels Out. Ten of the. Eagles custos liberal bill whatever the equivalent is yet whilst that day two point whilst what will support these brands come together mutually beneficial coming together of the rights holder and the brand in mid level then just too sensitive. Idea COUPLE OF TIMES I'll be said football shirts with go Look Great. But. That's not just one days. What is it about? How would I engage with your fans? What could we do together is is special proposition. We developed together a special offer. In the extra things we do together with them. Make the ship have a lot more dental, a lot more meaning to read. Particularly given the number of things well, three five year deals. You know. I'll be wanting to see what what does that three. What would we do together? The up could cement is not she made me not three or five years becomes ten or fifteen years longer if by virtue of what what will we could do together face the rightsholder, the brand new at typically to And that's that's down to the right. So did you think that's the? That's the? As the responsibility of the sale side to. Identify what you're trying to get inside your strategy and trying to understand the bank to the extent that they can come with very bespoke precise offer i. think it's difficult. Isn't it? It is. I think you need at least a thought for step wall authorised. Be To, get in the door you need a business understanding expect everyone to know all Brandon Saad out because finally the called, but they need to know enough through taking enough of it entrust to get at least Ryan enough that the next day is compensated trustor the Paul I've just described three five year plan. That's probably second compensation when interesting. At least to get a foot in the door unleash against show you done your homework show that you know the rand in. Grayson skimpy you taking the time to understand whether the be between the Sport Event Club. And the browns take. On the on the ten year question. So obviously, the one of the compensation. Mos is that. They have A. The ten year is getting shorter and. I don't WanNa talk about the end of your job, but there's A. Is there a temptation on your part to make a statement? I'm here for a period of time and I'm the person who did this this campaign I'm you know you need to be in front of some some some of this work. Is that how does that play into your decision making? Operate a little bit differently on on I. Think. You need to leave a brand better than the founded and I'm and that doesn't mean you need to change everything in the process I mean not. inherited. The pride of Britain, Polish didn't come up with it was already built on the. New Events, new dimensions. To. Deep amount but didn't feel when I came in the on trump was to discover. That wasn't made us put it in the bottom of come up with the six thing. So I think you to me, it's about it's about the journey you take a brand on making sure in better. Helpful. Strong Moore's it into the point to next. To the Yemeni Yep, you're right. I mean. You look for signature things in your tenure that might be changing the maker of your team changing campaign relocate Brown's purpose. About. I'm always about wholesale change unless something is is fundamentally wrong I think. I'd be coming into every any job thinking you'll everything's accessory bad. The spectrum of the needs come in looking for the good looking for that. Buffalo the magic of that brand, the things that really working guy right one of the best to refresh or change, and that could be as some signature a sponsorship. The emotional should look guy run a day I'm GONNA sign it. Deal just just to kind of mock some especially in. offit. It's GonNa be more about yet. What West trajectory this takes brand all. And That fit without broader strategy is not Dave as you said, giving someone a job. In a public as it is you want. Short tenure you want. More if when you passing the battles, the next of the decisions you made make sense. Any sort of created a platform takes Brando who have that runs that function next on the doctor come into view reversal at because as. Commissioner Tim Decision. So they think he's going to be done in the long term is going to be done with the place strategy in mind makes sense and the other bet's is you need to get all this around the table from CEO in up around the exact table. So again, if someone comes in run the marketing function yet the exactly briefed on a y marketing during the things that do. Look at it. I never liked us all to shore never light thing volume of the tables were important. Look at any sponsorship I've done from. Sports to music. Events. To the British comedy awards Intel core a few years ago through to what we do probably. Britain the narrative is well understood an exact level. So it's not just to see my as a business owner thing nothing not celine is massively important. So it's the sort of decisions you don't make are just as important presumably. Yeah I think. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, all the things you decide to not Dave Actually deciding to not do something cameras designed to do it because I think. As A. You've got choices in the things you want to be over things you want to be associated with the choices you make that conscious directional that about a long term health of your brand. So was moments will is decisions were very massive. And I always wonder if it's possible for a CMO to sort of. Ruina brand you know there's Tons of sometimes brands need protecting from an ambitious is that right I? Could be at one of the outcomes that you're talking about. I think any. Nothing this is Baxter bitter battle. Sponsored you've got at the top of an organization in the southern Utah Is. I I think. I think of GT to get to get things wrong with the sponsorship of the down. An emphasis. I every decision that masters from sponsorship through appetizing campaign. During. The brand is a duty not just of the CMO of the business is back to mind emphasis on pull amendment, go the full box about not just communications, but the culture, the business of products and services everyday. So I think with that in the issue of talk business, the CMO's job is to get Ryan's on your Tanaka that role and the Hall of getting it Ryan is understanding your customers. As serving the working well on knowing your points of difference this'll said playing that role in the organization to selling vision get everyone's play partner success. Okay. So just just finish off. Let's talk. Sport. Is that something? Your? Is it one of your strong interests or is it something of marginal interesting just put for a person your football fan. The Fan but I am I have a lot of rugby fans in the family. So my brother-in-law. Useful so happy. To few balls matches on throat as being less my thing by joy when I got. Football I pool. Probably, are slight to save support pulled Smith. For being. As up and coming as a few years ago but I'M Doing just about okay. A league one band, but would be football above ropy and I saw a really enjoy. Tennis so On. Wimbledon. This year I'm love watching tennis as well. We had mark Catlin near put some CEO on the on the podcast. He's a he's a really impressive guy actually is really got it for the not going up this year because he's he's He's sort of came across really really well now in our interview, I really liked. The guy he comes across well. Again. Efficient And and he's like he's a lot of the fans. So then Tunica Joe. Okay Pete thanks very much free time really enjoyed that and. Good luck in the. covid impact. We didn't even ask Kobe question. That's pretty good. Well to weigh like good. Great to talk to you. Thanks Male chess.

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Feasts - Pr John Kuhlmann (2018)

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Feasts - Pr John Kuhlmann (2018)

"Thank you david thank you. The people bringing their testimonies. This was great. Lola people said yes. It is in iran against you you bibles to the book of exodus chapter. Eleven plays attempt to twelve. I'm sorry this eleven. I wanted to talk about face now. Mice was like feasting. It's <hes> yeah. I think it's one thing which is universally popular is eating and the in all different cultures get my hip face and by <hes> easily to celebrate something and and so just want to look at a few things about that tonight and here in exodus chapel twelve we gotta start reading them and it says russia the aided with your lowest good at your shoes on your feet and your staff on your hands and mutual aid in heist. It is little it's passover now. Just the background which many would is let the children of israel had vein in egypt for hundreds of years night vein put in slavery every by the theory and the time had come for them to be delivered and the mize's was raised up by god to lead them out and he went and spiked the pharaoh pair kept changing his money didn't wanna lose the free labor and eventually was going to be a terrible plague that would guide through the land end and it would smart the peaceful on each of the egyptian households have the israelites provided the they slew a lamb and piloted hi to the blood of the lamb. The little pice winkles of all the house said the angel death were passover so that was cool the pass saliva and so this is what i would do. They would get ready. It was a big event going to happen. It will come to pass the land of egypt this not the smart i will pass through and smart all of the land that they buy and based against someone regards the gips of of executed judgment on the lord god's very jealous god. He doesn't like come competition. Promote the gods who not really god's little ridges the imagination tonight the people's minds people go for the blood shelby. I shall b._t._u. Her taken upon the houses where you are. We going to see the blood. I i will pass either you reply. She'll be upon you to destroy it. When i bought the lame of this thi- shelby to you for memorial mutual keep it a of faced the lord's wrath you'll generations each or keep it faced. Reverend site was the face of the passover all side nine as the face of unladen brady which was associated with it and the this was watch. This was a face that god said that they should observe the may observed annually regarded a chapter twenty. Mize's went up to the the mounts. The chapter twenty and we stopped reading the <hes> all the ten commandments we gave them and and we read advice on on god's fico these would saying on the lord your god which vote you out of the land of egypt pam of the house of bondage shall have now other gods before me mash up not mike onto the gravity meet your any locked of anything and haven babble that isn't it was in the world around the you should not bail down yourself to kim will save them by the little ligon jealous god visiting the iniquity of the plaza bummer children within full generation of then heitmann sharing macy onto other than that love me and keep my commandments. I might add very very clear. They would not to mike any other golds. I will not to make any images they were not to bail them before them now my citizen joshua's and happens with still apple in the mount allowing behold the breaking this commandment already dam on the plane if we wanted to chapter thirty two and we read their starting in this one win the people sold mize's delighted to come down out of the mount the people gathered themselves together garamba aaron the brother and said unto him up mica scolds at which he'll guy before us for us for this moses manley bruce as the battle of the land of egypt we what not what has become of him was what moss and and aaron said onto them bring going out the golden earrings which are in the high as of your wives of your sons of your doors and bring them to me. Do you get out of there. He's anyway. The boys was an older people break off the gold earrings which win there is in the mount aaron and received them at the hands on passionate with a grinding tool after it made it a golden calf and i said these gods israel with will he have overland with egypt sharon sore if he built an altar before the narrow around might <unk> proclamation said tomorrow is a faced to the loan will not good. I don't meyde this pagan. God this <hes> this image of. I might add the jewelry that they had there. I tried corrupt data kiting it to god and god's sit thank you. I've already told you mike anything like this. Then you have the old density read the data catered to me not impressed. I'm a rise up lamar. I went off a blade offerings brought pace offerings and the people sat down to eighteen eighteen drink and rise up to ply aside this was todd of the face die were having now whereas ghada told hold them to have the feast of the passover and the way that was used to describe the face their implies that there would be a sadness a battle there. Would they a sacrifice. That would be victim. The victim was the lamb on these things rule foreshadowing the little jesus crossed kohl's and so instead in state of this they put on a wild potty and licensed down to eat and drink and i rise up supply and the the word the does as the here at the talk about them plying the hebrew would want david to try and pronounce on me. He agrees if he put me straight anyway. Why would anyone needs this goes and it means to laugh out rod in merriment all school by implication to the spoil to laugh to mock the play the mike sport and the in the new testament passages quoted in fisker in his ten and taping and the and the little said they annoy the b. e. r. dollars and equites this by sat down to eat and drink and rise up play and the the word in the greek in the new testament is to support or to be like a child just immature child shoulder behavior with the so this is the top of face. The men were putting on and lie with data kiting to god on. We can probably stop think we listened hinting as far as the new testament is consent now. If we go on to read a little bit fathom. Eh what happened here inversely thing god is said to him. You better get down there. They've already miss things off. Zag was useless. This is what we understand anyways ten. This fifteen went down from the mantle tables of the taste. May this was retained commandments in griped only really's handle the titles written by this is on one saw it on the other that i've written on the tables woodley the wick of god and the rod was the rotting of god driving upon the tables and win joshua all she will hit the noise of the people as they shouted he said to me is who is a noise of war in the camp. This is what they sold a patty sound like the whale put some the siamese racket with blade invited the neighbors thinking that happens next door and so elizabeth warren the campaign that he said is not the voice of namely chiampou mastery and author of is the voice them the crtv being iva campbell the noise of them that do sing the do i hear some raucous music was going on. I probably have the able to pause going full bore and let the trumpets lorraine's homes and all sorts of things and the dancing around having a amazing good time according to them and it kinda pile as soon as he came out of the camp is is he sold the cop and the dancing advisors anger rex taunton castle title sale to be hands at brighton and the matthey brightly ten commandments will they'd broken limb and in practice and he took the calf which had might and burned within the foreign granted the pale stranded upon the water and made the tube of israel to drink but that's what happens when dad gets really angry and the rods wrought on guy to destroy this play that you've got this evil thing that you've done here and on kinda rob your lives in it and i i that's that's what he did and miso said onto aaron wafted these people onto the dow has brought cy greater seemed upon them and aaron aris said let the anger of my lord wax home. They'll now is the people that that a civil michigan history a hang on a minute. It was aaron who who had this idea is the one that fashion they said onto me mike us golds which your guy be chorused her as for this moses the man that wrote us up out of the orlando egypt we what not what has become a p._m. Said onto them any gold. Let him break it off side like gave it to me. Confident identify and low and behold out came this car miraculously. Just throw it in the five and time outlook about this cow now that is a pretty pathetic soldier <unk> excuses living you hear somebody read repulsive the things that have been tried and some take lime excuses by terrible crimes committed anyway. That's what happened there so that was that was watched. Mancon will do with my have faced. God's not against us having face. We gotta have the feast that he describes this garage not what main contaminates even if they put a christian nine on us. Let's guy to daniel. Daniel champ the fall. We're jumping along way hidden a history here. The children of israel done lots of things things wrong and they'd been punished and saint off to the babylon and anyway. We'll pick up the story here. The the tame pull advain ransacked the title of the valuables out of there and soham and here we read about bill shazar who was <hes> well zodda the son the grandson of renovated nasal that anyway bill chancellor the king might a great faced little thousands of these lewis. This is what the gentiles do when they come up with a face and the two thousand luby's louison drank but the one before the thousands and bill chaz whilst tyson isolate wanda commodity bringing the gold and silver vessels which is filed. It'd be good nezar taken out of the temple which is jerusalem as here a gyn they wanting to bring in the things of god into all of this bringing golf's equipment into the party and the sue so anyway with get to tampa which is jerusalem of a king and he's princess he's wives absolutely heaps of them and these concubines might drink therein have disgusting taking lays dedicated vessels out of the table and he hey they are enjoying getting drunk and drinking out of the window brought the golden vessels that were taken out of the table of the house of god which was that jerusalem king in these prisoners and he's and he's comfortable and strengthen namely drank won- and prize the gods of gold and of silver brass on wooden stein but in the siamak siamak. I'm full of a man's hand and right. I've against the candlestick upon the plas river wool of the king's palace the king sold the pattern of the the hand that writes on the king's countless was changed and he saw its travel du lac. This side of the george vi's lawrence released and these naismith. He's smug <unk> against the alba. Yes he suddenly realized hey got a gun to file this time and god was not happy with him and so he then the macy's that was we went through the whole story would just wanna get the component here with this the win lee rotting was interpreted it meant in the language that went well so it was true translated lighted it means of your kingdom they number it may the vein wide in the balances and found wanting and you'll kingdom is finished and so this applause to anywhere in the world with people or contaminate that few elam message you've gone and bring worldly things into it to try to bring god into the worldly things the anonymous up when you start trying to do see that sort of thing and i won the the world is a mess because every religion you can think of pleading christianity has sanctions alva have contaminated the few message god at <unk> things under this is audacious pod through the the things we read off here inside roddick is on the wall when people bring that which is dedicated to god's glory the rules into man's reveling okay. That's got saw back a bit from here and now the it will strike us all a chapter one and we sat reading this one the vision of all he was the prophet the son of animals which he saw concerning in judo jerusalem of you saw jonathan. I has an his car kings of judah. Now he'd been the prophet for a long time and he was there under the rhine of these <hes> full different kings now. We haven't got tom to guy threw it open if you want a reference guy back to seek and kings chapter fifteen dane and sixteen seventeen an i._t. You can read about these people then they'll just <hes>. The guys were briefly. <hes> you saw <hes> it was also a cold as araya and he did some good things but he lifts. Let's lift some of the pagan worship ship that was leah still in place and the next king he some johnson. Hey it was similar. He did some good things but he'll be compromised and level things come in now i has hey was a real bad egg and the he <hes> he copied the kings inside of the house of israel who all bad and he even copied the pagan king <hes> phil guy police the syrian enlisted his support him along the by and the <hes> he not only the friend in him that he copied me whitten saw this idol of the head instructor these priests to mike an auto lock this one and so we've got this corrupt king influencing the religious leader and so on and the copy this assyrian older and so this is this is the same that we've got him and this is what gone head decide to them and it's probably written on shaming he his secaucus high belong because he was king very rare commodity as <hes> lawns and we gotta rate he a hero havens wtn's is too and give era with the lowest of nourished and brought up children and i have rebelled against me he oxidized ziona and the answers masters the animals i wave i belong but israel's vice they bearing on. I'm is ruling with god. Israel does not knowing what the people did not consider sinful nation people leiden with the negrete seat of evil children than corruptors. I have the second the lowland oh they provide a holy. One of israel anger gone away backward. Why should you be stricken anymore. He will revolt more little the whole oh hit his sick and the whole hot is finance from the sole of the foot. Even under the head there was no a soundless but wins and bruises and putrifying consoles have not been cleared the band up nor the mullahs followed with ointment pop per metre not too bad. Your country entry is desolate. You'll cities bandwidth pie. You'll land strangers divert in your presence in the desolate threatened by the strangest the daughter of zahn islamc n._f._l. Cottage as a lodge in the garden of kid kambas has led the siege city just sitting out there like sitting ducks except the lord of hosts had left us under a very small remnant. You should've lena sodom and obtained lock onto kamara y'all if it wasn't awesome for the fact that a few of you was still genuine would want he way out lock sodom and gomorrah and they supposed to be god's people will who pick it up the illegal favor them here <hes> here. We go down to a read on this team. He'll away the logging rules of sodom referring to your onto the lower van gaal people tomorrow through what services the multitude abuse actor actor pauses on the site the load on full of the bed offerings of rams in the fact that fan base among the blood of bullocks or the lamps were guys snail via making sacrifices which god told them tonight and that he said i'm not impressed you just put on a show here the jeannot genuine this will when you come to appear before me who three quad this your hand the the trade molecules bring nine mold buying oblige empty offerings incenses abomination on made the new means on the savage. The coaling assemblies cannot away with it. It is liquid even the solemn mating you'll newmains in your appointed taste. My soul heights travel on me and i am weary to bail them for you. Sprayed with your hands. I will hold one is from you when you like. You'll pay as i will not hear your hands full of blood and so this was the type of face. That's why we're putting away at putting on am by their attitude was the lying the fact they had gone through the the <hes> yeah. He said well she. Mikey claimed put away the a._p. Montas cease to do evil lend to do well seek judgment not relieved the oppress judge. The fatherless played pull the weeds and he said look you gotta get your act together. You rotten to the core and you're putting living on this religious religious shy but he said this is what i want to say to. You told you exactly how santa lamb with you but this. I didn't come nail alytus reason to give the site the lullaby you'll sins via skyla by shelby wanted snow i they'd that'd be red like crimson. Light should be will if he'd be willing and abadie aunt shell eight of the good of the land but if you refuse and rebel he should be veiled veiled with a soul for the map of the little swagger inside despite the fact they had done always things wrong and continue to do it for generations well he said if you listen to me and if you'll repaint and you will obey me i will give you aww give you a new staff but if he refused and you continue to rebel now this is a solemn warning the all of us the nation's the challenges to individuals families. We gotta make sure that we don't just put on atwood shy and whatever face that we put on well in the garden <unk> love. Let's guy to the new testament matthew twenty six and we want to read the bass the face the goddess who'll dying of the cabinet and it is really an update on the pass over the past either it was a solemn face to rename the deliverance from slavery in egypt matthew twenty six of got you tanning too and it lists sabin obtain jesus have gathered with these disciples the fist i have awakened saving the feast of unleavened brandon saad was kind of jesus saying where will he will fail that we prepare jose to the past cyber guy to pop tyke as everybody did is trial. This was the annual events to remember the deliverance from egypt and i had placed on they sacrificed a lane and i would eight this mice people monitor few vegetarians robber casual device lane and <hes> so this is what we're doing and i doubt that i look fo- with but it was all silence solemn occasion because the ticket lethal the lame and the side that this was of course giving to the point way chases cross is the lamb go and this was just the not before so he was to be taken sign and so <hes> he gavitt with these disciples and invest twenty six as i were even jesus took brand blessed and break and the guy to the disciples had tikey this is my body he took the cop and guy thanks and guided them signed drink the ola but this is my blood of the new testament some of which is hidden for many remission of sins and so the instituted what we as communion tall and was what we do every sunday we gave the here and this is i have faced. It might be that we come here. We died actually eight anything except her little piece of bread and we drink anything pop from little cop of griped jason sambas spiritually. It's a face because we're coming. He <hes> not to remember israel. Escaping from asia would wait a skype from the wills. Remember when jesus provided the horse skype end hale that he shed his blood said that we must be delivered this guy to book corinthians now. What was the theme a little bit more this corinthians and chapter thaw aw hell the corinthians that hey the gospel they may and eight moved on but by lose is obviously people come and go that caused filled with the holy spirit lewis faking time this but lead singer things out of order and their whole behidn heiden was wearing all right this list of a letter to the taliban to wake up to the sales and here we rate late in chapter five having was dealing with the fact that compromise i've immoral and we rented this wanted to report it commonly that there is an occasion among view and such cases not so much as named among the gentiles at once you'd have his father's was. He packed up not rob a mold that you might have done. This date must be taken away from among you. We said this is absolutely disgusting and you've still got this this person in your family ship. You've got to tell him he guy a out of the fellowship getty's law and then when is convinced you that he's got lease law and order will get a chance to it always law but not the wii. Is this compromise. We can't have that this race off. All i verily is absent in the body but prices fear of judged already had enough lasagna would present even found on here and sending numerous the state of the name of the lord jesus crossing you gamble moss fear with a pair of little jesus said this is milder and jesus cross the big backing me up one hundred percent to deliver such it went on the site came out of the fellowship. Why sedley the distraction of the place of the spirit it might be safe and reliable lord jesus. Your glory is not good night. <unk> ho lem unless what happens with comprom- kamov off allowing a little bit all we don't want to upset what values family family already ricky's family this guy and the one about friends and all these you will prince maladia and all this other stuff and <hes> so we can't compromise we've we've got to mike is stand for the truth. We've gotta kate immorality out of their chips. We're going to ahve problems out of the coach. A lot of people make mistakes and yet you don't don't kick everybody out because i did one little thing but this was alive live with this fella and so anyway we gone to raid the purge allegedly old labem. Seven g might be a new lump as you are. I'm leaving her. Even crossed. Amp pasta is sack repulse for us by jesus. Christ is possible leeann. Have this is the face therefore let us cape the face not without labor law nov with eleven of malice weakness. That's the old labour mets the way of the world. That's why a belshazzar. That's the why of the israelites wenli with breath out there in the in the in the days of the corrupting goddess said today therefore let us keep the he's not with the old labour uh of malice and wickedness but with the unleavened bread all sincerity and truth god is looking at our house and he is not fooled by the which is that we put on week and it makes you think quite often the more outward shy that religion religion pulled psalm the more corruptly are only insult and the ressam religion some of them climbed to be christian and like all sorts of amazing ising pageants rene italy a few years ago there was a problem who'd been headline he uses the other he kind of michael's but he was interesting fellow hidden amazing take me ride hailing the pasta day was interpreting his taste of money to us and and as described how sticky bu really this door and then he kind of through the the but now as fit as a molly bull i said how do you get that in somalia bullying in italy. He said all right got some sign a piece but that's what it means. The repast was accidentally stride in the tendon so but anyway side were the hagerstown <unk> ause pageants the catholic pageants and the whole damn there in abel's and so on and the so anyway anyway. Let's get back to the would we get to <hes> yes. I crossed app <unk> and so anyway let's let's go onto champ detain and it tells us aaron chapter ten verse full name dearly beloved lovin flee from adultery. That's that's what it is. When you stopped worshiping. It's <hes> quite they have from the seven before flee from autry. Us beta was man judgy when i slide the cup of blessing which we bliss we gotta do that shortly. Is it not the communion of the blue cross the bread which we break it is not the comedian of the body of cross because the leaving many a one buddy and leaving many a one brave and one body from we all tigers at one bread so that's what we hear i four the pa turnpike of this place the spiritually defaced upon the victory the jesus crosses pitches which is four hours he has provided. We're all by invites. You just gotta leave your old life at saad little you've gotta coming with the waiting game at all and so this is painted vein that todd with filled with the holy spirit we've been cleansed and here we are taking of the faced. God is warning us done. Try bringing the lives of the wielding done. Pry bring you contamination done try. I am bringing really pagan stuffing and then trauma bring religious stuffing which is not what i've described and so we kind of wanted to read them. Look it up the game in this. Uh the twenty when i say that the things which the gentiles sector caused sacred pause the devils a monkey god i would not that you should have fellowship with devils. You cannot drink comma below on the copper devils. He cannot believe how tigers of the lord's table the title of dale's devils do. What do we provide a little ranga. We stronger than he all things a little bit old. Things are not expedient things little hole but oh hangs eight upon off. Let's not man seek but every man another's another's wealth so it's time for us to examine ouselves. We hear the comedian said was. We here the lowest face sometimes. We don't realize that we don't think about it. We come at all. Yes the comedian. He spies a bit a guy. I i would sort of expect that the reliever truant officer cold past that comes knocking on a door during the weekend. We didn't say they are on sunday well. If you only coming for that raisin will really saying on we come here because it's face to face on the word of god we got into faced on my fellowship with each other with guiding to pile tyke. We gotta leave. All of the other things of this law must will have sun. It's gotta temporarily and <hes> we read the in this <hes> this seventeen helen this law declared unto t._a. Crises law you come to give a month for the baby. Put the west. This is the communion service. It just reminded them. Levine really tried wishing god on the table at the same time. He said the when you come together. It's not good excellent silly. Wis you mike in each the west the first of all when you come together in the church on here that they beat the mining hotly believe it arguing with each other you haven't reconciled you differences with your brother with your husband with you. Live with your parents and all this sort of thing and so you coming in here and the you smile cigna hymns on you. Take the comedian and all that sort of thing but you gotta salt your life and blimey everybody else for your room anyway. He says they must also be heresies. Among you might which by which are approved by manifest remind you when you come together therefore into one place this is not the way the lord sapa what he's really saying he the way you'll doing it. That's not what i had in balance i didn't i didn't want you to just to use this is a social event where you come together and you haven't solved your problems you guys on lighter in with champion you when you take it but you've got to examine yourself and then aided the drinking the top because the the while you're doing it now is not good now. Maybe the things i've said here motive actually convicted on a two he will invest happened hallelujah alleluia. Maybe it'll convicts us all a little bit of go to mike sure win. Come before the little to his face and you think about it. If if <hes> you kinda some important person who was invited you would wear your weight and gum parable about. I bet that is will you wouldn't come in you. Grabby all class you wouldn't sorta come in there and sort of put you on the title of it you would come in respectfully and you would realize that that's the way you should do it anyway. We've come to the little space now here. We are prized little and the side then quite what we read back here in matthew twenty sixty four and <hes> so to anybody it talks in jada run. This twelve is only one chapter talks about these. Hey people who come in with the audience doctrines and practices uh spots and you'll face of charity charity. The rich false actually like hidden rates and this is a pretty good description because repeatable coming in someone's sounds like coming to a fellowship and they're coming to on the mon they come into breakdown stages like coming into the critical consi- on in that chidgey guide who leave the revival fellowship all there is hard as nails. They i expect you to learn that is like expect you to do what the past respect for law. No god expects them to do what he is. The modern he expects the passes the tenure clearly what it is that he has got the cy and size on people coming in and making fellowship here in order to sexual activities. Whatever we want to undermine us all what did you come along to to air fellowship because people there and they got veta- songs and you've got and an old they solta things well listen to them. God is put here anyway. Look i wanted to finish offline. Maybe yeah should establish this because i want to talk to you about evangelism lick chapter full attain. We're gonna finish off with this. Little parable tokes here luke champion full name jesus said william i gue- safa this twelve ten full name is it under the bed he male he'd been involved into paris's house need resting contrast with and the any is is that some of the people that came in they went and sat in the most important so it it. It zapped that so he had to guard. I'm trying to why he said. Look you know if he was humble. He tyke released him. Holds safeness heist. Title will come up a bit higher but you really should be tell because you foot where you were moving pulled in la. He should have been told gone sit in the liley highly seats. We got that and then. He told them another story a said. Well tell them something that they do and this is something much. Maybe we all today. We put on a path. He said to them revette him. When you mica dinner or supper or faced code on your friends know your brethren you know the u._k.'s lenore your rich neighbors list. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Dave Gettleman explains Odell Beack trade, defends Eli Manning

Big Blue View

15:06 min | 2 years ago

'Valentine's Views' podcast: Dave Gettleman explains Odell Beack trade, defends Eli Manning

"Welcome giants fans. You are listening to the Valentine's views podcast here on big blue radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host advantage of big blue view. Today's show will be regarding. Dave Gettleman remarks on Monday morning about the Odell Beckham trade. And also a couple of other matters. Landon Collins ally manning the presence of of Djibril peppers on the giants defense. What we're going to do today is a little something special. We're going to play some clips from Gettleman Monday morning press conference. So you'll hear that clip. You'll hear a few things that Gettleman had to say of followed by yours truly giving you some reaction to those remarks. Let's get started quickly with Gettleman. It's. Explanation regarding why the giants made the Beckham trade. We was concerned talk for the shade by them and John. John new we're going to give Delaware. So frankly, initial off of piqued our interest in a way, we went from initial call Tuesday monies? We finalize it was probably about ten hours. And it was considerable back and forth. So obvious question is why as as the question that everybody has and after much discussion we just believed this was in the best interest of the giants. I want everybody to know. This was purely a football business decision. There's no intrigue. There's no easy said she said when all of that stuff. So let's time with those types of questions after the fact. Dell's tremendous talent making valuable asset with football being the ultimate team game. And you know, you you guys shift at a number of times football being alternate team game, we turn that fact three s at the very least. I completely understand. Why people are going to debate the merits of this deal because draft picks were involved. This trait really won't be able to be completely evaluate until we get further down the road and finally because of gills telling personality this was a decision we did not enter into lightly. So clearly giants fans what Gettleman in the giants believe is that they got good value turning Odell Beckham into multiple draft picks turning him into two first round picks, including Djibril peppers. Let's hear a little bit more from Gettleman regarding the value that he believes the giants got in the trade. You know, we weren't actively show. Called coming to the only one I reached was again buffalo, and I was just as much given Brandon Saad time anything else, but you know, for us to get, you know, Djibril peppers who we we think's going to be a very good safety in this league. And he's young we've got him on the contract three years, and, you know, very reasonable value to get another one this year number seventeen. I think in and to get that kind of value in this type of draft and to get to get a third round pick. Completing our, you know, our cut dance cats for April who just too much to pass up. You know, we've got physicians to address. And you know, this was about us having the ability to address multiple position next giants fans, you'll hear Gettleman discussed the idea that the giants don't have a plan going forward something that he obviously disputes. He'll tell us a little bit about what that plan is. So let's give our next clip. Listen. Got a plan and overtime. You know, you've got to be patient. Everybody wants answers that we live in history gratification society, instant gratification world, everybody wants answers. Now over time. You'll see you gotta trust. We have whipped positions to address. And now plan is to address those positions with building people. I feel object of this is to win. As many games as possible every year. Okay. So we're building brand thirteen when I took over five and eleven last year. Twelve of those games were touchdown less. We're building. You know, I I don't understand. Why that's you know, what that's a question. You know, you know, you know, in really and truly you can win while you building whether you believe in Gettleman plan or not this is what we've been telling you at big blue view, you know, some people thought when the giants traded Odell that they were in rebuild mode. The giants are not necessarily in rebuild mode. As Gettleman said they're building they're trying to win. They're trying to do both things at the same time Gettleman has no interest at this point in time in what people would refer to as tanking in throwing a season away in simply saying, oh, maybe we'll be good in two or three years. He wants to try to do both. Is he crazy? Maybe he is crazy. Maybe he isn't. We don't know. But he's trying to do both. He wants to rebuild the giants. Roy. Mr. the underbelly of what he thinks is has was a roster that simply wasn't good enough when he took over before the two thousand eighteen season at the same time. He wants to win football games. It's what he said before he doesn't want to have a team that goes to and fourteen he wants to try to be competitive. You know, while he tries to set the giants up for a better future. He has in the past used the phrase sustained success in AIBA leave thoroughly that is what he is trying to accomplish your set the giants up for success sustained success where they can win consistently. So is that doable? Can he pull this off? Can he do both? I don't know. But it does appear to be what he is trying to do next. Giants fans will hear Gettleman talk a little bit more about judging. The the Odal Beckham alleviate Vernon trade to. Cleveland, and what it's going to take to actually judge the success or failure of that. In the end. Values not going to be able to do, you know Roman? Call seem some up down the street her little bit because we gotta see how Djibril develops. And we've got to see how this number one. Is who this number three is. And we got looking you know, you guys will obviously follow those career. Then we'll go from there in two three years. You can you know, you'll have your opinions just like you have now. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation, and I wanna tell you about my new show. It seems smart. It's smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up amount. Or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall. Don't do anything smart. Everybody at chief of the verge. I has podcast every week called the verge cast, my friends, Paul Miller debone, we've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology, how it impacts culture, and how that is all a big cycle that causes us to have a wide variety of feelings that you can listen to every Friday we've done over three hundred episodes in six years since avert has been around. But you only need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up on everything. In tech news virtuous is on apple podcasts. Spotify everywhere else. You listen to podcasts. Check it out. So giants fans Gettleman is preaching patients. Even he seems to realize that he has rolled the dice here. He understands what kind of a player he traded away. He understands that. There's no real way at this point in time. To know if the giants will come out of this trade looking good or looking bad. He knows that. He feels like he got the best possible value that he could get but we have to see if the giants are a winning team or a losing team. A couple of years down the road. Let's see Djibril peppers is the kind of player the giants think in hope that he will be see what they're able to do with the seventeenth overall pick in the draft. What they're able to do with the ninety fifth overall pick in the draft that they got from the Browns. And we'll see you know, history will judge we can't tell now I mean as Gettleman head indicated it's an instant gratification world, everybody wants to put grades on things as soon as they happen. But let's see what happens down the road. Let's see if Gettleman is able to pull this off to make the giants of winning team, you know, in a somewhat unconventional way in you know, we'll see what we'll see what happens. And you know, I I've been saying that big blue view that it's going to take time it's going to take patients, and that also seems to be where Gettleman was today in his remarks to giants beat writers during a conference call also the final thing that we're going to hear is Gettleman once again reiterating support for ally manning, and once again, speaking about the fact that he believes that the negative narrative that has been. Surrounding manning, you know, for the last couple of years is really unfair to him. So let's give that final clip lists. And then I'll come back for some for some wrap up thoughts. I shouldn't Indianapolis, and I'll say it again you turn around and take a look at what happened last year. Once we got a little line fixed loop. You know, better we're gonna continue working on that. And look what we did the second half of the year on offense. So again this narrative. Did you is can't play is a crock? I'm telling you. So at the end of the day, you guys go say get them out of his mind or those talking about when he value. It's players. That's really what it is. There you have it giants fans Gettleman saying that the narrative surrounding thirty eight year old Eli manning who will be back for a sixteenth season is a crock and also, you know, saying that there really wasn't a decision to make in terms of whether manning would be back as the team's quarterback in two thousand and nineteen. We didn't get into with Dave, you know, what he might do in the draft. Whether he would select a quarterback in the first round all of that. You know, we have covered those things with him. We covered those things with him in Indianapolis. We know that the giants are looking for that guy who will replace Eli manning. But he made it clear that there is still a belief in ally, you know, at least in the short term. So there you have it giants. Fans as far as Gettleman as far as his discussion of Beckham his discussion of why they made the trade why they are moving forward with ally. Manning what the plan is which seems to be trying to to both win games. Now. Get better in the short term set the giants up for long term success. Hopefully, you enjoyed this show. You enjoyed being able to listen to some of the clips from Gettleman press conference this morning as always we thank you for listening. Please remember to subscribe to big blue view radio on all of your favorite podcast, applications give the shows that Chris Fleming. Dan position to do a listen as well things are growing like crazy here at big blue view radio in the month of March. We've already established a a high in downloads since we began this show a few months ago, we appreciate your support. We thank you for listening as always, and we will talk to you again soon. Bye bye. My name is Spencer home by name is Jason Kurt. My name is Ryan nanny combined. We form the shutdown full Tron keep telling you this forecast is technically college football podcast. But it's also a show about care disaster regional grocery stores. We live Tennessee Batman homeowners. Associations, bears and video games. Pittsburgh. Batman the hell of being trapped in a group. Text unreliable legal advice. I mean, there's also some actual football discussion about coaches, having huge contracts or coaches making terrible decisions coaches saying really stupid things or the NC double A's saying released. Yeah, there's lots of stupid things in this big dumb. Beautiful sport like time Arkansas decided to use a captured feral hog as a mascot and it escaped and it wind up killing seven rattlesnake. Wchs a pig and a Coyote, sometimes we talk about okay alleged with if you wanna take college football exactly as seriously as it deserves the taken come find us on apple podcasts Spotify or wherever else you listen to podcasts. Like this one this Devo cast. 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Episode 407: Brandon Soderberg and Baynard Woods

Longform Podcast

1:05:21 hr | 11 months ago

Episode 407: Brandon Soderberg and Baynard Woods

"Hey, it's Max. Before we get started I've got a podcast recommendation for you. Another show to check out. It's the Jordan Harbinger show and Jordan does the interviews on the show of you like long-form if you like in-depth revealing interviews, then you really GonNa like Jordan he's been doing it for years. It's got almost four hundred episodes and some of the names on the show will be familiar. If you listen to long form, he talks to writers sometimes Maria CONACO was on the Show recently, Malcolm, Gladwin has been on the show, but he talks to so many different people. That's what makes the show special I think he talks to Comedians and scientists he talks to government officials. He talks to spies like actual spies and every interview is interesting. It's surprising it's revealing. So if you like long-form if you like listening to long conversations with people, checkout Jordan show, that's the Jordan Harbinger Show H. A. R. B. As in boy I n. g. e.. R., you can. Find it on apple you can find it on spotify. You can find it on Jordan harbinger dot com slash subscribe, or wherever you're listening to this podcast, which starts right now. Hey, it's Max before we get started I've got a podcast recommendation for you another show to check out it's the Jordan Harbinger show and Jordan does the interviews on the show if you like long-form if you like in-depth report dealing interviews, then you really going to like Jordan show he's been doing it For years, it's got almost four hundred episodes and some of the names on the show will be familiar. If you listen to long form, he talks to writer sometimes Maria Kinda Cova was on the show recently Malcolm glad wells on the show, but he talks to so many different people. That's what makes the show special I think he talks to Comedians, and scientists he talks to government officials. He talks to spies like actual spies in every interview is interesting. It's surprising it's revealing. Long-form if you like listening to long conversations with interesting people, checkout Jordan show that's the Jordan Harbinger Show H. A. R. B. As in boy I n. g. e. r., you can find it on apple you can find it on spotify. You can find it on Jordan harbinger dot com slash subscribe, or wherever you're listening to this podcast, which starts right now. Hello and welcome to the long-form podcast. I'm Erin. Lamb joined here by my co hosts Max Linski and Evan ratliff greetings goes, hey, there Aaron who is who's on the program I talked to Brandon Saad. Burg and bannered woods there the authors of I got a monster. The book is about a squad of plainclothes, police officers in Baltimore who conspired primarily through the leader Wayne Jenkins to rob high level drug dealers. What they called monsters, they would detain them, arrest them Go to their house er other locations and take large sums of cash or drugs, and then report far smaller amounts of cash and drugs. When it went into evidence, they later would actually deal the drugs through a bail bondsman. This all came out at a trial in which most of the police officers flipped and all of them later went to jail Brandon and bannered covered that trial and this book came out of their coverage of that trial. It's a fascinating book they were both. Part of the Baltimore city paper when it still existed. Brandon was the final editor in Chief of the Baltimore city paper. So we talked a bunch about that and and their careers I'm glad that we are having more discussions about all weeklies on this podcast, their near and dear to my heart and. They're like. They once were. An incredible part of journalism in America and there are still some that are pushing through but. As this interview will tell you not the Baltimore City. heartbreaking. If you are pushing through with whatever you're doing, perhaps you can't do it in person with other people anymore but you can do it as an email newsletter from Malcolm. They make it easy. They supported this show and the habit for years. So you could do him a favor and star your newsletter with them. Thanks meal. And now here is Erin with bannered woods and Brandon Saad. Burke. Welcome, Brandon Saad. And What's thanks for having us? Thanks for having US Okay I. Literally, you guys his book in under twenty four hours. So I'm just GonNa Start I feel like the caffeinated right now just gonNA launch right into it you just wrote a book called. I got a monster maybe we could start off by you just telling me what the monster in the title refers to. So, the monster in the title refers to kind of big time drug dealers that the criminal mastermind cop in our book Wayne Jenkins was going after when he found a big drug dealer, he wanted to rob he would call his buddy and say, i. got a monster and that was Kinda hint that this was like not sort of a low stakes robbery at these dirty cops are doing on the daily basis but sort of a big fish that they get for a lot of cash in a lot of cocaine. Walk me through like how the story came to you. You're both reporters and Baltimore when did you first get a scent of the story? It's crazy. We and it's the first story we ever wrote together was back in two thousand fourteen. We were both working for the Baltimore city paper and we got word that this cop Daniel hersal was using rap. Rap Lyrics as probable cause to get warrants to raid the house of this rapper young Moose and so we started reporting on that and three years after that the US Attorney's office had this press release that they had indicted seven cops and that cop hersal was one of them and as we got into it, it turned out he was one of the least bad or at least ambitiously criminal of the cops who were indicted. At what point did you even start getting? The full outlines of what really was a pretty extensive conspiracy? I mean I think we've got a sense of it during the trial which was early twenty eighteen. It was just kind of day after day of crazy and outrageous revelations nor cops being named. Stories of chases or cocaine's exploiting out windows breaking into spring into storage lockers, a lot of colorful witnesses. Cops testifying each other bannered kind of said this he covered the Freddie Gray trowels the police officer charged with killing, Freddie Gray and that was sort of this massive international story and those trials in comparison we're kind of pretty. Tedious even right bannered. mean the one of the reasons we decided to do a book was because in the Freddie Gray case, there were every news outlet in the country had reporters there, and the trial was all about seatbelt protocol where you trained to hook seatbelts retold seatbelts wanted the manuals say about seatbelts and it was all and yet everyone sort of hanging on every word and there was almost no one from the press outside of the city there. There was one Jessica loosen up from BBC was the only person really from outside of Baltimore who was there covering it at all and We're like, why is everyone missing this story and that was only one of three federal trials. So all of those trials produced a massive amount of text messages, wiretaps photographs, the kind of stuff that has reporters you just you get real dialogue and stuff that just makes you salivate. We got to put this together in chronological order even just has a lot of power because it in a trial you know something things the way they drip out you don't know how they fit together. So just creating timelines when we started to see like, wow, this is really something huge. Had either of you reported extensively on the police before the story. Yeah I mean we both started really that. Story About hersal was one of our first police stories and then I ended up covering. The police for the Guardian during two thousand, sixteen, two, thousand seventeen here in Baltimore primarily and had a bunch of the Freddie. Gray cases also nad say a lot of stuff was happening here then and I was reporting on the police a lot and so it's kind of. You look back in. How did I miss some of this as well. How did I not see that this was going on but of course, the only people that knew were the defense attorneys in the victims and the defense attorneys jobs were to say, Hey, your honor, my client had. Ten kilos of cocaine and not a, and so it wasn't coming out in court cases and stuff and then yeah I was I started a city paper as a fact checker. So I was fact checking in helping fact check police stories and things like that and banners work in other people's work and then I started to do it myself and then I can get and chief of the papers I kind of weird tension where I saw at the top and The bottom of the rung in terms of looking at that, and that kind of taught me a lot and how to do it and Bainer did a really extensive story in two thousand seventeen kind of at city paperwork was closing down about a man who was allegedly committed suicide in a police precinct, and that story was a really massive and complicated story and that was some of this stuff the really trained us but really began with the strange. First Amendment. Story of COPS using lyrics against rapper to try to keep him in jail. Wesley Larry was on this show a couple of months ago and he said something in relation to protests that sort of applies to a situation like this applies to fact checking when she said you can't take statements from the police at face value in a story in which the police are the subject of the story and this story you really can't take police statements. At face value because a huge huge part of this story about the falsification of police reports the falsification of evidence when there wasn't stuff that you could literally hear on wiretaps of which there's actually quite a bit in the story. But for the stuff where you had to rely on people's memories to reconstruct stuff, how did you start to assemble those facts without the police facts? Who else are you talking to when you're trying to put a story like this together? I mean, defense attorneys were really our way into the story because cops were the villains, the SORTA ordinary cat and mouse kind of version of an investigator tracking down a crime. We decided that the defense attorneys were the ones who had really been paying attention to this. So you know, but we knew they also had their own agendas to push off. So we'd try to triangulate as as as many different between court testimony between. What the victims said, what various photographic evidence going out talking to people at the places we really wanted to always fine I mean that loved that interview with West and I think that's exactly right. The whole police saying kind of reporting is one of the ways we got the story is just taking them all on face and so really not taking anyone else they value here but trying to fit it all together with as. Many, sources as possible and they're being two of US kind of help that too because then we're bouncing our our skepticism off of each other as well, and we kind of took the lead on different parts of the story, but we always involved in the other side. So I might be writing something and I might have talked to some people that were involved in this or even just some people that saw crime because we'd. Go to places and talk to people. Did you see anything on this day two years ago to own these cops or here you sort of triangulate all that against way you also know from documents and then you throw it to the other writer. So I throw at the Bainer and then he starts to kind of called bs or challenge, and we kind of go from there. So having two authors also way to make sure that. Of Bus fell into. Police say is this the scores of journalism but also you don't want we want to avoid defense attorneys say or even. People that were victimized say and try to bounce that off was really useful. have another person the kind of challenge you on stuff like that too. Yes, especially, because we both have been each other's editors for a long time, I started as Brandon's editor paper then later he was my editor and so in. Some ways. It's just like this extremely edited book where every every chapter, we would just go back and forth and back and forth. So many times it's hard. We can't say, Oh, that's my chapter. That's his they. You know which was also how we were able to get voice out of it, but we really pushed each other as much as possible and acting like editors. Well. When I ask you about now is about informants there's a huge huge role that confidential informants and snitching plays in the book. So for you as journalists when information seems to have come from a confidential informant. How do you navigate those confidential informant relationships? Do you treat a confidential informant for the police as a potential source for yourself? Are you trying to find those informants and how much do you feel like you have to protect who gave you information in a case like this? Where pretty clearly people were in mortal danger who gave certain forms of information at certain junctures. There are a couple of different people who worked as snatches for the cops that we talked to. One of them gave a ladder in the sentencing officers with his name and his number and everything that was kind of, and so we were even a little more protective of him than he was. We didn't use his name with anything even though he put it in a letter and but we very much wanted these people sources partly because we wanted to know how the cops acted around them. So like this one guy, he was white and so he told us that like which corroborated some of the other we'd heard that like Jenkins use the N. word. Regularly Jenkins shoot up around him and so like those things were helpful. But there's another guy who came to us and had information was informant and they had told people that he'd informed all that he was the snitch and so he had a price out on his head all over town and he was desperate to give money to get out of town and we couldn't use anything that he said really at all because it became clear whom we when we told him we. Couldn't pay and we couldn't do anything like that. He was ramping up the information that he had to try to sweeten the pot for us, and then that made anything that he told us really suspect I do believe that his initial situation of of the danger that he was in but I'd still became something that we became a little leery of, but and then I think also because the way we are approaching, it was just sort of a wide net in getting as. Much information running was possible. Even if that inform abandoned mentioned didn't necessarily have information that was plot wise useful. He might say something that is really tiny that triggered something in our heads. It was like, Oh, we've heard this before he might mention another cop or something. So even those guys like that. That was important to hear the mouth because he reached out and he was in he was very scared for his life knows really surreal one because after we talked to him. He made a striving to get a cheese steak which was fine but it was very clear that he kind of put us in the car with him because he thought he would have less avid chance of being shot if to white poyser driving them around I think and that was Kinda just another element of navigating that was also show like, Hey, man were here we're listening to you. We'll see this through or not going to say, Hey, thanks for three hours in like. We're not gonNA drive cheese stick. And the level that they use informants is your questions important because the first case that was just settled this last week and where the city finally agreed to pay the plaintiff in that case was murdered vast April and you was murdered in a case where they sets niches against each other to get the murdered, and we've had a lot of information about the way that they turn informants only each other to basically put hits out on them, and so it is a really dangerous position for people in all kinds of ways, the cops wanting to be after them as well as the streets wanting to be afternoon. Hey. It's maximum to put things on hold for just a second I. WanNa take sponsor this week. It's the Jordan Harbinger show. Jordan is a he calls himself a recovering lawyer, but he's been a podcast host now for years in his podcast that Jordan harbour show is up to almost four hundred episodes and what makes this show special I. Think makes it different is that he talks to this incredibly. 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Did you feel like while you're reporting the story you basically had to become familiar with the entire drug trade in Baltimore I mean he even touches on some other trades like What was that like for you? How far did you have to go to feel like you had the grounding for the story? I mean I think. We were able to build on some of our knowledge experience I know quite a bit about the world of heroin in Baltimore, because of you know previously using heroin and also just kind of reporting on it and talking to people and knowing people now world and then having grown up in Baltimore I kind of end up being just adjacent to some of those things. So we had. Done, a ton of reporting is lived here for a while. So we kind of had that grounding and then it was sort of navigating all of these economies underground above ground economies at all mattered and Kinda Dean as deep as we could, and then again, kind of bouncing off each other and bouncing off knowledge we're picking up for things we learned and kind of go from there. The book is written like a thriller It's rare to get a journalistic account. Is this visceral on I? Think some of that is due to how crazy what these cops were involved in really was, but it also is the way that you present the story. It's very different than the sort of sober hand wringing podcasts true crime that has become popular. It's actually fun I is how I would describe rating the book but I think that it serves a double duty because it really puts us in the mind and personality of the officers who are involved. This isn't just a like a faceless story about bad cops. It's a story about some very specific people who actually had pretty different motivations from. Wanting their family to have more resources all the way to one of the cops. Jenkins. Seems kind of like a psychopath. I'm curious about that decision to present the story that way and then what other dimensions of reporting are necessary to tell a story in that way. It was really important to us from the beginning that we tell it through scenes and it was even though we really like a lot of books that you know the reporters are character in the book. Coho Sevan's book. A mastermind was coming out and we're writing an really love the way that that was put together and sort of following him as he's trying to figure this out but it seemed boring for us in our story for that when we had all of this other stuff to try to make ourselves. And we really wanted to create some kind of we've been talking a lot lately about some kind of leftist anti. True crime that we really haven't seen that takes the conventions of the thriller that often smuggled in all of this really right wing pro-police propaganda that all of our cops were raised on I mean it's important like Jenkins was raised on the stories of COPs haven't a crash cars and break rules and stuff in order to get the bad guys. So we wanted to take that and subvert while using its methods to blow it up from inside well, also being really rigorously reported and so it was. The more we got into it the more like having that sort of. Tone and atmosphere and stuff as part of that crime fiction even does so well, something that we really wanted to do and I think we also realized that we've done reporting. You know I think most people derisively might see s advocacy journalists and things like that, and so we've kind of done that work I. Think we've always been very interested in writing and style not just reporting, but we did you know these daily dispatches ahead some pretense kind of being literary narrative during the trial we'd Kinda pull a story out of each day of the trial and kind of do the best we could with it but the story wasn't Hitting that way so Sarah pragmatically like we want people to care about this just partially why you write a book, right? You want more people to know about something we realized that we need to do it differently and that you said viscerally era, which is really something I. Think about a lot is one of the book to feel how the story feels and debris like the kind of translate in the way that a novel what you can feel like you're there, and then especially because we knew the cops would be the focus we wanted to make sure that it kind of had a way that it could tell that story without. Devolving into being some weird version of police say or something he says idea that the the pros is kind of a camera on their shoulders with them and I like that kind of idea. There are always saying, well, you need to get the police aside while this is the police. Aside, this is what they were doing when they didn't think there'd be her recorded or your wiretapped. And you get a sense of it really this early through that. So that was really important to to make sure that it felt not like journalism Bannon said this early on he said a lot is like the idea that the more important the story is the boring the pros can be. Unwise decision that a lot of journalists I make in terms of transitioning from what I will not call advocacy journalism to this more thriller based journalism and set things within scenes what allows you to construct a seeing what are the necessary ingredients to ASEAN because a lot of times when I ask people this question, they'll be like why take lots of doubts I look at every detail, but you're not actually present at any of these bizarre drug robberies. Do you find the scenes from the trial from your reporting, etc. So basically, we once we located the extensively the narrative we had a ton of scenes like anything. Okay. Robbed a homeless count September eighth. They caused a car crash on August twenty eighth or whatever. It's kind of all sitting there waiting, and then once you dig into, you start with the documents and you start with testimony, and then generally I would jump to Google Earth look at the scene a little bit and get a sense that will be sort of a really rough sketches seen if it didn't have those basics than it probably wasn't going to be. A. So. It kind of had this interesting way in which what became a scene with the term by the information we had had this lawyer like quality. It's like what are the facts and then through the facts you can kind of dig deeper like go to the victims and then kind of go from there and so by Cross referencing all that you would sort of right a seam and there's the monotony of it. To a lot of its essay robbed and other Robin, other guy. So it was like, what can we build as a seen? What serves US plot and what serves as interesting us to? I mean. So sometimes, major piece of information are referenced quickly because we don't have seen and we just felt like we didn't have enough to build a scene like at some point Jenkins would've approached to the other cops about dealing drugs. For Him we have information here or there about that, but we don't know where exactly played out. So it's kind of that way of the scenes would determine themselves based on what you had and as a citizen I, mean, the surveillance state is terrible but as as a reporter in this case, like the camera footage just helped so much body kits, they forget to turn off their body camera and he's driving across town. Are you this guy also calling his sister about a vacation, and so you get all of this body. Camera footage has just such an amazing high resolution and stuff that there's a lot of things that we could actually see or hear, and some of it would be like in one of the audio recordings dried after Flambeau Castilla skilled in Minneapolis, and they just kidnap a guy at home depot take him out to his house in a different jurisdiction hold him. And his wife there for a long time steel twenty, thousand dollars from them. But then they think one of them stole three thousand of that twenty among themselves and they're going back and forth on the phone and at the same time, one of the cops gone does talking with a woman in New York who is listening to killer Mike on obt special about police violence and so brandon was able to boost that audio and just by you know he realized that. Conner said, you need three senses and like you need a few like important details that make the reader feel like they're going to be there voted now too much. It's GonNa. Feel like seeing anymore anyway because it gets soggy and falls through the bottom or something. So you really need the help will really well place that can keep it moving fast too. Fast pace helped us with the scenes that we didn't have to be able to say what it smelled like always or whatever. You you can't just do a book that's like and then another robbery, and then another robbery the book needs an arc. The story has to start somewhere and somewhere. So it kind of starts in the Freddie gray protests, I think Jenkins Mug someone who's taking a bunch of prescription pills from a pharmacy and then tries to go resell those. So I think that's one of the first events in the book, and then the book goes through the trial and is now coming out during a another wave of police protests. How did you think about telling this as an overall story with an ARC? How did you think about what it added up to? Once you put all these scenes together I mean they were committing crimes going back to at least two thousand nine if not earlier, and so there are a lot of different moments that we could have started. But one of our earliest decisions was it starts with the prologue in the uprising after the death of Freddie Gray but it really the narrative starts in March of two, thousand, sixteen when. They robbed this guy where he Stevenson and the reason that that was the arc really was Stephen was represented by protagonist Ivan. Bates. The defense lawyer WHO's one of the difference lawyers trying to track them down and we knew that that case went from it was the biggest robbery that they were ended up. Pleading guilty to the took over one hundred, thousand dollars. In a couple kilos cocaine from him. It had most of our main characters in and it goes all the way up to testifying in court. We sell that that was very clear arc and that everyone had changed positions there had been real action because everyone was somewhere different by the end of that part than they were in the first scene and anything. Else we needed before that could be done as a flashback and so finding that arc was really probably the most important decision we made, and it still took us a while to realize that that was the art we had and trimmed off some of the extraneous shit that was like so important at the moment and Yeah. That doesn't need to be there. What was it like taking on a project of this scale with with a partner? I mean, it was great baiter night work together and a lot of different projects in different capacities but then. He's written a book before I have not. So it was good to have someone who knows what they're doing to it but then also just we knew the story in different ways and we could play off the story together and we talk a lot or wandering around or smoking or whatever about narrative in style, and so we had sort of I. Think we've gotten each. Other is heads about that. So he really had a strong basis for doing, and then from there, we were able to push each other and challenge each other and rewrite each other way. They didn't feel intrusive, and then it was that just made the work easier. You know for example, bannered wrote chapter one. He took the Leon chapter one for example, that's very clear to me. I remember that but then weirdly enough I remember that chapter one is the first dispatch from the trial we wrote embedded road it more straight this way before he died to a book, I'm regaining his him filing me being like, no, no the beginning of this is Jenkins going down the road the wrong way that felt symbolic that's still the beginning of the books of that's. Weird. But so that really helped develop style as well because it had to kind of work for both of us in some no big deal where's the narrative go and sometimes it was just like sentenced choice bannered. You've really compared to like being in a band which I've not been in a band but you went back think that's kind of really good way look at it. Yeah, it made it so much more fun in away made the anxiety the existential dread so much less like you send it off to the editor. You know you know at least one other person has had all these fights with you about it in a way that like your friends who read your manuscripts or whatever can't do and so like there's someone that you can talk about. All the crazy details that matter to you but to no one else in the inside jokes and the compositional process we felt like it was like being in a band it was like you lay down the rhythm section when person would lay down sort of the structure of the chapter and since we were both doing reporting for it like he may lay down the beats for thing and. Then, I'd be like, Oh yeah. Sort feel like adding fills and melody or vocal hook or something like that and fleshing it out to be whole song from just the thing that you had and so we built it up like you'd build a song almost a wall of sound. So it really was so much more fun than solitary writing and there is also just weird stuff that we. Could do where like I make playlists when I write long stories like I wrote a very long dirt bike story about dirt bike subculture for a reported after like six months it was a cover story in city paper back in Twenty fifteen and when I wrote that I was a lot of jazz it was really long like thirty minute tracks that seem to feeling me like dirt bikes. And in terms of music for me, like I, I was began as a music critic and I write to music, and so there is also is interesting that sometimes we could communicate ideas to each other in kind of a nonverbal way does making these weird playlist when I would set a scene that kind we're like, okay kind of set the tone in. The rhythm and the tonal changed the scene. Then I would send it to Bainer Bainer kind of had to interpret that or you told me I was crazy nor but it's just a very weird different kind of almost if ultimate kind of goofy a new agey way to communicate ideas not always always we were both pretty cerebral but added to the visceral. Kinda throw banner playlists and be like I. Don't know I wrote to this if this makes any sense to you. You both have been editors. So once you've gone through this sort of two person collaborative process, and then a book editor comes in and says no I think it should be this way and you. But Hey, we both agree on this like does that create any sort of a different dynamic when to writers in an editor versus? A more traditional single writer editor setup maybe actually the opposite of that like Oh. We both agree go to hell if it was. If one of US would get sort of mad like what is he talking about? No, you know you you're not lost again that sinkhole of your own thoughts you misery things as things that would bother him wouldn't bother me and vice versa but mark our editor at Saint Martin's did a really good job at helping us just focus on because we still were both noting out over all the little details and step in like you really need to focus on this like through line of this bates and Jenkins sort of cat and mouse going. Back and forth which we have as the spine but we had too much underbrush going over it sometimes to see it, and so I mean the one case where I think we were able to be like, no, we really want to do this with the title which we really liked, and he didn't like as much at first and that was where we were like we're going to team up and try to to make sure that we can keep our title. All right. So Brandon things that I know about you so far from this interview, you were a fact checker at the city paper and did heroin. What in what order and you know? What sequence of life events lead you to get into journalism Oh really quickly. I went to a small. Liberal Arts College your. College outside of Baltimore and I was an English major because I knew what else is GonNa do and so I was writing ton cowher just that's how it was there for whatever reason like is an English major I pyro. Like a bunch of long papers and so when I finally got out of college and was already sort of nagged by all the existential and drugs that would lead me to use drugs. I was very kind of bored and had a lot of energy started just writing for fun and. Getting too much or anything around the same time. Good friend committed suicide. Sorry. It's really heavy really quick dopamine suicide but so yes. So those kind of things combined college my best friend is dead and I feel pretty bad. So started writing and I was doing blogging like music row basely hip hop writing in terms of politics and race and collides with hip hop because of a blog was made mildly popular I was recommended to the city paper by some writers that I started freelancing for city paper started doing more of that and kind of felt like Oh. Wow kind of this, and then parlayed that into doing a lot of writing for the village voice in other places got hired by Spin magazine then got the dollar a word payment, which is a really good thing to get if you're trying to buy a lot of drugs. Hanging out, get eighty bucks for eighty were review is pretty sick and so I started through that 'cause I was covering hip hop in his Tristar and do reporting and features because of the racism of the country you have a lot police targeting rappers a similar with that of at the same time. Club culture in Baltimore police are often rating or harassing that black subculture. So I sort of had this police stuff was on the around the edges of that. And then spin went through some changes and I was kind of coasting there for awhile very frustrated. Came back to Baltimore. Stopped got sober extensively a year after that city papers looking for a fact checker and Bainer Kinda grabbed me one night at a bar. We knew other mostly through email and running into each other. Told me all the answers to say in the interview and they hired me and then I started work with banner and kind of went from there. So it's kind of this strange way that. I was sort of doing a lot of culture writing but was clearly towers of friend from Baltimore is now the editor of pitchfork and was formerly at deadspin. Some other places we talked about how like we realize later our careers like we loved music but we love music because everything that was more important than the music that surrounded it, and that was something that looks sort of moved me into doing more deeper and more complicated reporting about policing in law and order and courts and things like that. bannered what Life Path led you up to the moment where you recommended brandon become a fact checker at city paper. Yeah. It was a circuitous pass. I. Guess a lot of people who are on this show I thought I was going to write fiction. When I was younger and had no intention of going to college and finally decided I wanted to learn ancient Greek and so I started a university of New Mexico started that and I thought I'd learn every language that made up. English, and that's how you become a writer if I learned Greek. Latin German that I am French that I would know how to be a writer started doing that and really liked it and ended up doing a PhD in philosophy and ancient Greek philosophy and contemporary continental philosophy. But knew I didn't want to be a professor at all and I felt the only way to really live socratic life and all of us to be a reporter. I've very slowly then started trying to do that to write fiction and was researching this thing and found this cop and South Carolina who a white cop in the early twentieth century. Use Voodoo to govern a black county and way more interesting than the fiction I was trying to do and. was able to sell it to a really small press and it's out of print now but wrote a book on the Sky Story and the fact that it immediately had interested people as people nonfiction way better because you're not stuck in a room by yourself all the time half the time you're out talking to fascinating people the other half. You're stuck in the room and putting it into order. So whom my wife and I moved to Baltimore I'd walk past the city paper. It's I'm going to work there and point at it, and I picked him every week for like a year before getting even acknowledged eventually just started getting stories and stories and stories and got hired and then was in a position to be able to to hire brandon on there. How long did you feel like you had to be in Baltimore before you? Felt, comfortable reporting on the city itself and weren't worried that someone like Brandon was gonna come along and tell you you had dirt bike culture. All wrong. I. Actually had the opposite approach that I felt like so many people who lived here had lived here for a long time been we're so jaded by things that they weren't seeing a lot of the stuff and so there's the way in. which coming in as as a new person who was really excited about everything that other people weren't as excited about necessarily and I really just wanted to throw myself into the city as much as possible that and I never I mean the city's very gets very mad if you claim to be of the city and from the city of represents and so I just made sure never to do. That and just like I'm fascinated by this until I took it more than people do when they come to New York. My Real model was Joseph Mitchell and the New Yorker and I realized that like this New Yorker Stories, he wrote in the forties fifties were really the kind of stories that Baltimore was very similar to New York then I felt like and you could just pick Mitchell story. And be like fish market is actually a really good story here you go over and do that story and people weren't paying as much attention. So it was it felt like a real warm welcome to me here I never had that the only people that get that are the people like, why don't people accept me as being from Baltimore and it's you're not just accept that and then it's fine. When you both landed the city paper. Were you aware that you were in the twilight of the kind of thing that the city paper has been historically like would you started working in the city paper? Did you think? Wow, this is going to bounce back to new heights of glory. We're GONNA try and do an amazing job for the last you know X. years that this exists. I mean I got hired right after the Baltimore Sun Tribune Tribune's the Baltimore Sun. That Tribune bought the city paper, which is. Horrible. That's not what you want. You're all weekly to be I. came in at a memorial already seemed doomed and I came in really see thinking, what can I do? What can I get away with and knowing that we were kind of we're on the way down there's no way that the Baltimore Sun was going to buy and all weekly and then put money into. It they bought it to kill it very clear. So it was really about seeing we get away with and seeing how long are you get away with that and trying to learn as much as I could because I was really sort of a semi ambitious blogger at spin who sometimes did bigger stories by was definitely chased by that idea to generate hot takes and stuff and So come to city paper and not having to do that, and then having banner that one is shown me and we're willing to be like, yeah. Sure. If you want to try to report on this police rated club, go for it. Dude if it sucks I'll tell you it sucks or banner or rewrite it. So there was kind of that and that kind of slight. Fatalism was encouraging because it was just kind of like let's see if we can get away with. There's no pretense to it being, oh, we're really doing well, but also at the time they were putting a little money into it at least initially and it was advised sort of spend your budget. So they when they cut, they're cutting maybe less than you want them to cut. And then the staff was just so great and kept getting really good. We kept bringing people in experimenting and so I mean really briefly you know we were told. The, staff tried to unionize in some based like are we're gonNA close you but they basically say they're gonNA close us at the end of the year to try to milk all the revenue. So we had this weird June to November twenty seventeen period when I was editor in chief already where we were newer dead in the water I was encouraged people find jobs the also do the shit you WanNa do and we did a lot of really complicated ambitious stories just because we felt like we could. So that was the spirit I came in those kind of the spirit we ended it onto. And I mean it's crazy for me to think how clueless all weeklies were in some ways of what was coming like when I started there in two, thousand and twelve. Guys maybe we ought to take this Internet thing. Seriously, it might be. Sticking around for a while and maybe the print product isn't the only the only thing they use twitter for I was just once a week on Wednesday tweet out the print stories and sort of it, and so the lack of foresight. Astounding to me at this point. But. It's heartbreaking because there's also a magazine at that time urban magazine. There is the city papers all weekly. There's a sort of Faecal weekly with the Baltimore Solomon's putting out the sun was more robust like the number of reporters that we've lost in those years, how many people were out working and uncovering stuff in els just that's really heartbreaking. This isn't something we've really talked much about in the show, but it's now in the past and you seem pretty open about. So I'll just ask you brought up the idea of unionizing and that being kind of the the third strike. For whoever was managing. When you made that decision you you were the editor in chief so. When you're the captain of what seems pretty clearly to be a sinking ship and someone says, Hey, we want to unionize and management says while if you unionize, we'll just shut down at the end of the year. Is that a debate in your mind? Like would it be better to be some sort of a underpaid of this or not exist at all like where are you at that point when you realized that like achieving your objectives with unionization will simultaneously result in the end of funding for the publication so bannered. How honest should I be here? Go ahead and we can see how it comes across. Well. So I was tactically management there. So it can be part of the union on their talk of unionizing a lot and obviously the staff was pretty much eight people. So we were just talking about unionizing whether it wasn't avenue I was sympathetic like I was clearly identified as an anarchist. You have an anarchist running corporate on all weekly complicates the management staff a stuff. What was clear to me when I got us into the editor in chief role as they didn't care about it and they were kind of choking it out and they were just killing it as much as they could I mean I I got a after one of the sales people that I had to report to on a weekly basis. Laughed she sent me a facebook message it was like I really tried. I thought you a great ideas. We could have done something, but they just weren't interested. So there is clearly to me the corporate side didn't care I'm what really started to happen was they were talking about downsizing they're like, how would you feel if we put Baltimore Sun Stories in the city paper and I would just sit in the means and be like Oh let me think about that now stalling a lot. And I really kind of felt like a spy as the editor in chief that was sort of in the machine and I was talking all these guys in suits and I would just kind of smile and like, yes, I understand profits are down I understand. You know I know sometimes we do controversial things and there's our hard to sell and that I would sort of sit there and scheme with Bainer, than some other people. So what happening to be honest was that I got a sense that they're going to do some major cuts and I basically met with a certain member of staff who was not management and said. It's time for the nuclear option. Your only option here is. To unionize and if you do it, you might be able to guy it gives you guys some severance. You might keep the paper alive a little longer and I'm not sure if I can get in trouble for saying that but whatever but that was really really weird scheme we were just so deeply connected to each other didn't the option would have been reducing the staff by like seventy five percent and using content from other places or go the nuclear option see what happens and I just didn't think that this paper as A. Husky of itself would have been worth saving because it was just the beginning of the end anyway, and so that was Kinda how I thought about it was I kind of had talked to some people on staff. Here's what you should do and I think it was the right thing to do, and so I think would there be a paper city paper now maybe would it be interesting? Good. No Way. So I think it was the right decision to make, and then the way that's maybe helpful for other people out there it'd be that. If you have a sympathetic management, you should unionize shit man to me. You should unionize because like that's a test for them like I was talking to people at the Washington city paper after they were bought by a rich guy, I told him to unionize and they're like, well, that might alienate people and I was like, yeah, you should test your owner and so I really encouraged that unionization as both nuclear option as a test on what how seriously they take it I mean the. Other thing to jump in here for a second, is that immediately once that happened, we started planning to start a new paper really shortly after the last city paper came out within the same month we put out an issue of the Baltimore be which was as a print product was very short lived the partners we'd come with just sorta pulled out unexpectedly, but it was immediately and there are a lot of things to improve like we still majority black city city baber largely been a majority. White Paper, and so there were things that we thought needed to change with the whole business model anyway, and that wasn't quite able to happen as we wanted it to initially but was definitely moving. It wasn't just saying, okay. We're going to take this down and we're GonNa try to take something else up also at the same time. This seems to be like I don't know if it's a common story, but it's not a totally isolated story in what's happening in the media. Now, which a group of people has been working with each other wants to continue working with some semblance of each other doing somewhat similar things but doesn't want to do it under the management or the existing management doesn't want them around anymore and what did you learn trying to like make your own city paper from nothing even for A short period I mean the main thing we learned was we need to own it. We were so excited to do and we were so excited to have a a funder that we didn't demand ownership and really always imagined it and he's sort of very idealistic ways. The will create the staying, and then we made sure that the editor lease system mccray was a woman of color and it would certainly be her paper so we really were like. Are. Really goofy sides of my own anarchist politics would be like, Hey, man, I don't WanNa own anything I'll just put on my blood sweat and tears this thing for eight months but then I won't own it which made it really easy to kill. So is something I learned was that you really need to own the thing you need to build that power in that way on instead we Kind of did this thing that was maybe I don't regret it, but it was we be were so excited to do it in. So desperate to have another auks new are was dying that we maybe didn't make the best decisions about how to who in that thing. So it was very easy for them to say, Hey, this isn't making money after four months we're going to end it. I guess the only other end they pulled the plug on it right as this trial was starting and so maybe this book wouldn't if they wouldn't have pulled the plug, then the book might not have happened either. So what's it been like? This book into a pandemic and a national reckoning on policing simultaneously locally it's been insane like the way people have been reading it in Baltimore. It's like the. Tiger King of this moment in Baltimore. where? Like the thing that people are talking about and sharing their funny scenes in their means and So that's been really wild and I think that wouldn't have been the case if it weren't for the pandemic because I think people have been like I got drunk with them at that party for it and they wouldn't feel like they had to read that would feel like they were doing their thing. I know I know that story I don't. Think being a little bit more locked down has actually made people spend more time reading and made it more like the day it came out everyone was going to the bookstores and reading it that day and reading within the day, and so it was it's been very wild with the conversation. But yeah, we were terrified that only thing people are going to want to think about covid and not about policing and and then like s things started happening with policing becoming part of the conversation again, it really shows you can't worry and releasing a book. What are people going to be concerned about or whatever just have no fucking idea where that's going to land and then I think that you know the book because it's so close to the cops and so kind of strictly narrative. The events have allowed us to have the thing that's obviously hiding behind the book which is policing is. Deeply flawed and problematic, and these guys are the logical. Policing isn't sort of ever announced in the book, but sort of having all this stuff happening nationwide or people are wondering how policing asking questions are policing. Subtext has been a little easier for us to kind of talk about Nelson. People see it more clearly that it's Kinda true crime book as banners, our intention sort of a leftist True Crime Book Leftist Racist True Crime Book but also that some of those issues are right there under the surface and people that may have read it more as Kinda crazy. Holy Shit story are now also realizing the implications of the police and are having and bouncing it off of. Books like end of policing in these sort of more you know like I'm not well read abolitionist or anything like that. So I can't do that worker explained that. But if you read this book and you're also reading these more sort of sophisticated books about this stuff and you can really connect the dots yourself, and that's kind of Nice to have written a book that doesn't tell you think about police but I think people are coming out with the right conclusions. What has happened subsequent to the end of the book in terms of like. Baltimore is not such a huge city that the actions of these police represent a tiny portion of convictions like. This story just sprawls all over the place. I would think we're talking about hundreds if not thousands of cases that are now tainted by their involvement in it like what happens is their movement to overturn those convictions? What's going on in Baltimore sort of with the knowledge from this book and the trial? Yes. There've been a number of new indictments in criminal charges brought I. It's up to fifteen officers. Now, if you count the Philadelphia cop who was arrested and pleaded guilty you at once So. They continue to bring charges against officers but yeah, they're the state's attorney's office and the office of the public defender who have been going over these cases have agreed on. Seventeen hundred cases initially that they agreed were tainted. The office of the public defender says that it's more like ten thousand, and so they're still pushing those. There have been a number of federal cases where people have been let out of prison a number state cases. People are still trying to get out to show that they're charges in their cases are related. Now, there's a huge wave of lawsuits coming the backdrop is we've had three hundred murders a year for the. Last five years more than three, hundred, fifteen, hundred murders since the events of the book started in the city very low clearance rate on those mean very few people arrested for the murders that are are being committed and police are still just a couple of weeks ago homicide detective who was the lead detective on part of the book is there's a homicide detective who gets in the head the day before he's supposed to testify to the grand jury against these officers. It's still one of the enduring mysteries what happened to him and the lead detective on that case was arrested a couple of weeks ago for taking a contractor who built a deck for him, he didn't like the work. So he and his whole squad up on the contractor with guns in their badges, they take the guy allegedly put him in the back of the car, take him to the bank and make him right get a three thousand dollars certified cashier's check for them and threatened take him in the woods and then take him off and take him back. So they're still Just, ray-ban criminal activity within the Baltimore Police Department still a severe murder crisis on the streets and still a profound questioning of the entire criminal justice system from me. We watched tons of criminal cases they record them all video. We can watch them and and they'll say like you're under my client, they win at his house and they call it on their own body camera footage and the prosecutor look what doesn't seem like really an issue, the judgment maybe that's a lawsuit but and so it really goes in every level of the criminal justice system to call it into question. The way that surveillance operates in the book is really interesting because the cops are sort of aware that it's the twilight of them being able to do this kind of stuff because of the cameras are all around town but that almost. Like spurs them to commit more crime before it ends and. I don't know there's something very visceral `bout like I. After the end of the book I went like looked at videos you could see online of some of the things that are talked about in book and. There's something just about that perspective like from the chest that maybe it's like because I played like a lot of like grand theft auto in college while smoking weed but it's just it puts you in inside the video I was watching also the one that was came out in the last couple of days of the GM of the Toronto Raptors getting in a shoving match with the COP and it's like it couldn't be. More, clear who chefs who I like the hands are flying out from the camera. We've we've never really had that kind of put yourself in another person's soul kind of experience available the I never thought of it. That way really is like very much like a video game and you know what the police tried to do than in response to the Baltimore. Police is when they released body camera footage publicly which they do so actively. Big production around it and they slow it down and they put circles around certain details and things like that, and they try to tell you that you're not seeing what you're seeing. But when you see that raw footage, you kind of immediately. Connected the officer. Sometimes I think that pro-police people who seem to think that you can relate to the officer wrote these I. Think you really need to see it from their point of view and if you know what you're looking for. It's really shocking. You feel it in a way that you don't even feel it on the page, but we kind of hope that me and away like that idea of a camera with the book to feel like a camera. I hope we capture that a little bit. In terms of justice I mean, it's important to know that like ninety nine point, nine percent of the uses a body camera is to convict suspects, convict defendants, and they control the footage and they use the footage but to the extent that these guys were being criminals, then they were worried about the cameras and it I got called on private cameras in a bar. Then they got caught on the ones on the street and then finally on their own body cameras and so. It really was this net they saw and snaring them, and then did ramp up. We're GONNA have to stop this street ripping and robbing people on the street. So we'll go on a rampage now but even before the body cameras, they were using their cell phones to falsify evidence as well. The US attorney in the case of what we thought body cameras were the hope when they're falsifying all the evidence what does that say to the reform program that we're trying to put forth? Where you go from here, what's next? There's no more city paper no more beat. You're both still in Baltimore what are the prospects for a a reporter in Baltimore Right now? I'm working on a book about white supremacy and the transmission of white supremacy that isn't a Baltimore that's in South Carolina, which I'm originally from South Carolina and it sort of goes from pitchfork Ben Tillman up to Donald. Trump and beyond through my own family's history as well who were slaveholders my grandfather was involved in an assassination I think of a political figure in Clarendon county right before the clan trials of eighteen, seventy, seven working on. And was fortunate enough to go to South Carolina for a month or reporting right before the pandemic side at least half enough material to be working forward with that right now and and trying to figure out of my own life mean one of the things that this book really showed that the logic of policing is the logic of whiteness that police like white people think that the law is to protect us but not to bind us that it's four hour use and so that really pushed me in that direction to unpack that part of it hasn't happened in my own life I think brandon them is pushing on some other elements from the book pushed US toward. As. Well, yeah. I'm sort of I'm working on a project that I stink will be a book, but it's not a book yet. So I hate to be one of those guys is like I'm working on a book that's not a book yet, but I'm really interested in developing something about how we deal with heroin overdose crisis. It really is spending a lot of time talking to people in other countries who have saved consumption sites like places where you're allowed to shoot up and it's acceptable and kind of found a really complicated network of safe consumption sites that are off the books and technically illegal around Baltimore in vacant buildings and people's Baseman. Kind of. There's places doing other churches that are doing this covertly. So there's kind of vast network of people trying to stop the overdose crisis because as cove shows, our government is pretty hapless against this any public health issue and they've been really not particularly involved in fixing the overdose crisis. I mean I did a story and that kind of has gotten stag because it kovocs obviously had traveled like do that some of these people over zoom right now during the peak of the pandemic. The peak in April I was talking to some heroin dealers in Baltimore who were sort of dewey using. And finding ways to deal dope safely, which is a really interesting kind of. Complex. Weird thing with the drug underground economy, I want export. Thank you so much for this interview both of you thanks so much for having us. We we listened pretty religiously while writing the book to us out it helps inspire you when these people actually finished. Talking shortly about it, we can finish too. Show. And thus we come to the end of another long foreign podcast. Thanks very much to my guests into my co hosts Max Linski and Evan ratliff thank you to our editor John Alpine for our intern Julianne Parker and the incredible sponsors that make this show possible. Namely, mail chimp will be back next week.

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New Music Friday: March 29

All Songs Considered

24:51 min | 2 years ago

New Music Friday: March 29

"Happy Friday, everyone from NPR music and all songs considered. I'm Robin Hilton. I'm here was Stephen Thompson. Hello, Robin and back after a way too long of a break is an powers. Welcome back in. I'm so happy to be back with you. And it is new music Friday. That means we're looking at the best albums out on March. Twenty ninth starting with the ban. Meek cons and their record deserted. The band is cons new album is called deserted. And the sun. We're hearing is called Lawrence of California veteran British punk band. That's been at it for more than forty years. And and I know this is one of your favorite albums of the month. Gosh, a motley crew of brilliant people scattered across the western world, but they came together to make their first album in eight years, and it is pure Mikan. It is intense Rokkas, highly intellectual historical drunken, beautiful all of those things is the ultimate sing along sound. And this is all like bluster and rage. There's some almost I would call even pretty moments on it. Let's listen to a little bit of a song called how many stars? It's pretty, but I can still sing along while drunk. It's funny. And while thinking about imperialism ends the costs of war. That's the beautiful thing about the meat cons. Macon's is the band the album is called deserted. Let's go to is probably one of the most anticipated albums of the month of not the most anticipated album of the month that comes from Billy island. It's called when we all fall asleep. Where do we go? Now. Tino say. Those. I think so. Facial. Thank you. But. So. So you. Really rough. Can't good enough. I'm not bad. The sad. Thank you. Seduce you that? The bad guy. The. Billy singer, the when we all fall asleep. Where do we go? This is a song called bad guy. Have you all Billy fever sweeping the nation? Yeah. She's been floating around for a few years now. But this is her first official full length album is she feels a little bit. Like a veteran at this point. You know, I I I'm sure and you too. I heard her song ocean is a few years ago. She is now an industry veteran at the age of seventeen Billy. I wish makes this haunting sinister pop music recorded with her brother who is a producer named Fini's O'Connell and together they make music that manages to convey, both a poppy buoyancy and a real sense of menace, which really comes through when you watch her creepy ass video. Definitely actually leading up to this the release of this one all the singles and those videos. They were also twisted and dark and aggressive. And I thought man this is going to be a really messed up record. But then when I was finally able to hear the whole thing it's not anywhere near as dark as I expected across the board. Let me play a little bit of a song called good. Bye. I think the best thing she has going for her is her vision. And also her brother, it's zeitgeist record. But the songcraft is is there at the center center of at and I I love and the way you use the word vision. I she has a kind of three hundred sixty degree vision of who she is as an artist, which is an incredible thing to have when you are seventeen years old the singers Billy eyeless her album is called when we all fell asleep. Where do we go? All right up next on our list of the best albums out on March. Twenty ninth is quietly, Chris the rapper quake, Chris his record is called guns. Just because pack out here last two Grammy capable for five right inside love Brandon Saad. Keystone polling last night. Charlie at gang, Kelly the. Twenty patriotic. Shooters. No, there's no. Before coming. Coming. Covet. The rappers Chris his new albums called guns. And this is the title cut and joining us to talk about this. When all the way from Atlanta. Rodney Carmichael welcome Rodney going on. So he's a he's a rapper originally from Detroit. He's now based out of Brooklyn in this record it has such a provocative title. But the meaning of it is very complicated. The meaning of is not as easy to categorize my scene, which is really it characterizes qualley Chris in a lot of ways. I mean, this is a rapper who is very much aware of the fact that he gets defined differently. Every time he drops a new project. You know, I got to talk to him for the first listen premier and he was like, you know, one year, I'm we'd rapper. No the year. They're calling me an art rapper. You know, some other year. I'm just straight up hip up and so- guns is one of these albums to where he. He blends in all of these different styles starts off in feels like it's going to be purely political than it. Counted twist into this really absurd territory, and then it gets really sincere and spans out in all these other directions. And so, you know, there's a lot of layers interpretation which in a lot of ways what makes listening to quilt, so fun. He all the sounds on this album are so arresting the beets are so crooked and often then ten when I think of the title and the sort of themes that run throughout this record. It's not just a critique of guns in this country's love affair with guns, though. That's part of it. He talks about how everything is sort of weaponized in this country for better or worse is I mean album really it's about like, you say is not just guns. But it's about things that we turned into guns. Right. Like, it's about the triggers that we pool and the things that we weaponized and use against each other with passion. You know, love religion race fear eagle. He's all things that he mentioned when I talk, and it's all kind of part of the arsenal that that. He's pulling out here. I wanna play a little bit of the end of the opening cut to the record. It's called spray and pray impact and says. Dauth goal brand the climate change in this game maintained by the number up. The fbi. It's not just killing each other by killing one this killing each other look at the known people killing each other everyday small family members kidney other for money. We just kill each other for. And when he says, I don't know. It's just like it's just like a kick to the stomach in house senseless all of this is it's that right beers is a sample from something. Right. Maybe it's an interview maybe a movie, I'm not sure, but he has all of these little samples and snatches filtered throughout the album, and you know, again, it's one of those things that he's not hitting dead on. But he he gives it. These different twist in these different lands, and just you know, gives you a lot to on the rappers qualley Chris new album is called guns and Rodney, let's stay with you for one more. This is the artists known as shifty coup sane Shafique Hussein his new album is called the loop. Shifty Hussein is the artist is new album is called the loop. The song is called. It's better. Few has Anderson pack featured on it and Rodney this whole album is just so lavish and strange in out of this world. But maybe just start with the basics who issue fee Hussein? And what's he doing on this one do we'll Sophy crew sane is one third of Sarah? You know, there's a trio formed round the late nineties or so and and really began emerging as like the front runners of future. So just this jazzy psychedelic hybrid of like, Neil soul and funk and hip hop. They produced for the likes of Erica bed. Do beloved GIO Scott. Even Dr Drey, you know, just a bunch of people, but it's really their own material starting around twenty two thousand seven that really started freaking a lot of hip hop and solo heads out at the time. Because they were they were doing this thing that sounded so futuristic, but is so deeply rooted in the past at the same time, you know, and they just made a lot of disciples and their influence is still super heavy out here. It's funny. Just looking at a list of the contributors on this record gives you a sense of the closest thing you can find to John r-, right? Yeah. Thunder. Thunder cat, Robert glassberg Kamasi, Washington, below Anderson pack, Erica do flying Lotus. Like, you really just have a sound world in that combined list of names. I saw the features. And I thought I don't know who this guy is that everybody wants to work with him. So something's going on shifty coup. Sane is the artist in the is called the lupin and Ronnie before I let you go. I know there are a some other notable rap albums out this week. It's a really really busy release week. You're really busy is like maybe it's a preview of the summer. And a lot of stuff is super lyrical rep too. Which is. Always cool. We have choosy in exile with the album black beans, Billy woods, and Kenny Siegal hiding places DJ in my commie with twos lay Tooth's and MED and guilty Simpson with child of the jungle and there's also a wrapper from the bay area name, sweetie. Who's been buzzing pretty strong for a couple of years with an album icy coming out this week. Thanks so much for this. Rodney jill. Yeah. Thank you. Good. Join your we still have a few more albums to highlight for this week's new music Friday, but first let's take a short break, and we'll be right back the world is complicated. And for many of us history class was a long time ago. That's where we come in. I'm running I'm Ron tear Bluey, and we're the host of through line NPR's new history podcast every week. We'll get differ gotten stories from the moments that shaped our world through life history. Like you've never heard it before. It's new music Friday from all songs. Is considered. I'm Robyn Hilton. I'm here with Stephen Thompson and an powers and we're looking at the best albums out on March twenty ninth. We start the second half of the show off with what's being billed as Marvin Gay's lost album. It's called you're the man. It could only be Marvin Gaye singing the song. The world is rated ex from the album. You're the man this was an album that was originally supposed to come out in nineteen seventy-two is shelled for a number of reasons and over the last several decades most of the songs on this record have trickled out on different compilations and whatnot. But this is the first time in nearly fifty years that they've all been put together on a single record as was originally intended. Yes. In celebration of Marvin Gay's eightieth birthday. We finally have this record in the way that at least we imagine. He wanted us to hear it. It is absolutely top notch musically. But the first single out this record didn't hit and gay and Motown's founder and director berry Gordy were fighting a little bit. So this album was never released. But it's so important to hear what Marvin Gay's vision was that this moment. End is just stunning how relevant this album is right now. Yeah. He wrote this record. He wrote the songs on this record in around nineteen seventy two in some cases, inspired by the nineteen seventy two elections and time of great conflict and turmoil. L amazing. How that continues to be relevant Marvin Gaye is the singer and the Elbe GMs you're the man I'm gonna take us somewhere. So completely different from that vibe. It's from the artists known as finesse his new album is called a Gora. Finances. The artist is albums called a gory. And this is a song called rainfall. He's a guitarist and electronic musician from Austria and pretty well. Tell his music Sanlam. Very very, textured moody ambient music. I I discovered him about a decade ago when he collaborated with one of my all time favorite artists sparkle horse on a project called in the fish tank fifteen and you know, it's easy to say this is the kind of music to get lost in. But I also felt like when I was listening to it that it's one that if you give it some really deep attention, the the shift Senate are so subtle, and when you catch them, I think they're really beautiful. I agree completely. This record Agora is four songs each one is more than ten minutes long, this particular record he made like in a bedroom in his in his apartment at at a laptop with headphones, but he's making music that is so large in spirit, and you can just you can just imagine it washing over you like a wave of the ocean. It's amazing how intimate it is. And how big it is at the same time. Yeah. I thought this is when you might like Stephen and add to your playlist of my songs. Finesses the artists the album was called a Gora, and we have one more album that we wanna play for this week's show. But let's do a quick lightning round of some of the other notable albums that we haven't played because there are many this week Joni. Void the electric artists known is Joni. Void has a new album called miss and ebeen the artist known as Karen K A R Y y in Karen has this new warped in weird electro pop record called the Quanta series? And this folk rock group from Sweden that I've just discovered called small feat has his very gentle breezy record called with psychic powers with psychic powers from the band small feet. I'm grateful to our friends. Bob boiling for turning me onto this to our egg artists named him do mock tar guitarist the records, cutting Lana and Bob says it's got a Hendrix by that I feel that love some desert blues. Really great also Steve Earle one of country slash Americans greats doing. Tributes to another one of zander's greats guy. Clark the records called guy, and he's with his band, the dukes. It's a really fun loose. Excellent. Tribute one of my favorite singer songwriters. Laura Stevenson singer-songwriter from upstate New York her last record was a blustery rock and roll record. She's back to these more intimate beautiful songs on a new album called the big freeze that I'm really loving. Also, Beth Gibbons from Portishead has an unusual record not necessarily what you would expect with the polish national radio Symphony Orchestra their interpretation of Henrik symphony number three, which is a piece that I have loved for a really really long time. If you're expecting Portishead vibes of look elsewhere. But it is a fairly straight ahead retelling. It's just beautiful all those albums out now on March twenty ninth along with this last one that we wanna play it's from the band son, volt it's called union. Mom's money men dressed is news. Cream? Still the speed taking choose which. More than five. All is. Music. Tommy mc. Son, volt is the band albums called union in the song while Rome burns. And so I feel like Jay friars trying to get it some sort of message here. I can't put my finger. You know, this this band. I remember exactly where I was when I first heard the first song from this band that I ever heard it was when I I'll trace came out in nineteen ninety five and I hit play on that opening cut. And this to me just sounds like that same classic sound that they had to below. Yeah. People I j FARs music when he was paired up with Jeff tweedy in uncle Tupelo, and they made record after record that sounds half like Wilco and son volt on how and then of strange strange how that works. I got if you love either of those bands. And you're not familiar with uncle Tupelo. Consult your local library. But obviously they've drifted off pretty different directions in the gosh. Nearly twenty five years that is horrifying through magin. How long has actually been and son volts while not necessarily reaching the kind of critical heights that Wilco consistently has has continued to churn out pretty terrific records, and this album union is a there's a song called broadsides this album is a broadside against the state of American politics today. It strikes very mournful tone. It's a little bit dirge. But there's also just this burgling of of righteous anger and indignation underneath it. It's pretty powerful son volt and the is called union. All right. That'll do it for this week's new music Friday, and you did it. Yes, I warmly embraced. Thank you so much. Thank you. And thanks, Steven. Thank you. If you wanna hear full versions of the songs, we played in find other great new music from the go to NPR dot org slash all songs. You'll also find us on Spotify. Just search for NPR music and you'll find our new music Friday playlist and for NPR music. I'm Robyn Hilton be well have a great weekend and treat yourself to lots of great music.

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Between Two Marketers - Kate Howard of The Sheet Society

Uncommon

40:16 min | 3 months ago

Between Two Marketers - Kate Howard of The Sheet Society

"Kate who are you and what do you do. I am the head of marketing. The society head of marketing sheet society. You got getting into this business earlier on was very funny to see people's backgrounds. Because i think i was saying that. A lotta people have had the classic arm. it bachelor of calms today the pr. Medical marketing is the major. You pay on padua girl. Yes i roll out. A union was the ymca in two thousand thirteen. Basically what what drew you to studying comes and pay our what was sort of the personality traits. He found that high school that you like. I'm just going to do that for. It's actually it's a pretty embarrassing answer. To be honest. I girl. I really liked when i was growing up with doing it. And she said to me. I'm really good at talking and communicating will be fun. I'm gonna give it a go. And i said it went. Okay cool do that too. I think i was eighteen working fulltime in a bar basically wagging school going just wanting to work and i pretty much went yeah great. I didn't have to talk to a key account slot and have to do anything like that. I can just pretty much straight into it. sorry. I wasn't a very good student. And i wasn't very good at attending high school and i own. You is to get a degree to do anything. And that was literally my ticket in and out. Okay and so you this girl that you audio allies was she saimaa jewel a little bit older all the same age as me yet and with france today but she. She was probably really similar to me but she was also probably somebody that. I really looked up to eight to do something that she was doing for me was probably seventeen. Eighteen kind of blois really thinking about um but i was also. Yeah it was. You know bar and i was just living the life of an eighteen year old not really thinking about my career. I definitely wasn't somebody at high school. That was concerned about What i wanted to do. I actually straight out. High school went into studied. Fashion went to relevant school fashion and started Study fashion dropped out of that woman inside. A doubling in architecture design then kind of didn't really like that and then jumped across to pay off so it had like a lot of like different sort of things that i did and then really went right. I'm just going to do one thing to get a degree. And i knew as soon as i got into the workforce would be fine. Okay and feel like you were saying affair something similar to myself you go into you. Probably have this mindset august since similar mindset. Where you just wanna work and I felt at least unique. Yes some units with great and some were shit and i would skip them all just not go to lectures or whatever and i just wanted to get straight into the workforce and a lot of my loaning was by doing in the workforce for me. It was in hospitality initially yet and actually got to the end of my degree which was in accounting banking finance. Like double degree. It's and i got into an accounting firm and well what i'm gonna do united looking back on that period. Would you wish young kite new at a point in their life. I think it was probably at a time where i could have lent a lot more. I could have sponged a lot more. I think i probably thought to myself at the time all be right. I'll work it out. I think if i had my time again i probably would have actually tried to really enjoy. Uni i like. I was working full. Time at ymca in my third. Yeah so even doing the intent Messed up. i didn't even need to do that. I was working fulltime. I was rolling out websites with the Assisting rolling out websites with the tame and sorry at that point. I was quite Just in my mind. As i could just go to get a job. And i probably would say jets. You'll be like are you gonna be okay. I think i've been already always really ruthless in wanting to six eighth. And i think probably i would say to my early. Twenties is it will work out. It always works out. It's the one thing that i've learned. And i used to hate it when i hear that when i was older up. Sorry of older people saying that to me but it actually will wish added year nighthawk individuals. Probably something you're not going to be. I would hold but the aware of maybe later in life. yeah Doing ten things at once. That's yet the status quo. I tried my team insane But one hundred percent. Yeah and i think even now learning that slowdown. It will work out. You are good at what you do. You need to continually be previous health and Trying to do more and more and more what you're actually doing like hi and i think that that's that is obviously the personality trait that i have but i do something that i think. I wish i had a lot younger. So straight out of the gate off uni with got glenora city council. Monash uni origin. And it's sort of are pr and brand heavy rolls up until about two thousand fifteen. Nothing was mentioned before Himes paint you took more of a deviation to content digital calm and then eventually we've got frank grain and now sheet saudis of head of marketing. Tell about that. Gradu- nuance was it. The fact that you would just learning about the differences in the roles and you realize pr or comes heavy stuff wasn't for you and you a more interested in the other side of things or is it just that you wanted to learn about. Those tops arose from the outset. I fell into a lot of my roles. So i won't take credit for putting things down on board and then following them. I fell into a lot of my roles. But when i was at monash So as during cross's comes at that was one of my big things there. And of course being may i didn't want to just do. Pr and media. I wanted to the extreme of media which was cross communication. So i in my time there. That was one of the biggest Learning curves that. I have ever really. I'd say gone through I was managing There was some hectic kind of things going on we had It was at the time when older planes crashing. We had students. That would dying. We had sexual assault going on. We had a Planes crush you know like m h o whatever teams we had so we had a few students there. We had When the wool fell down outside melbourne university. We had electra. Who was killed. Then we had It was a time when higher education was being Going through parliament and they were talking about increasing the phase and making taking exit of kamal supported places out so we had lots of people protesting at the faculty's So it was a lot of five. Am stotts Journalists coaling a lot of time on the other end of an overly aggressive angry journalist who is trying to get to the bottom of what was going on so it was a very different type of media. It wasn't i wasn't bringing up pitching occasionally we were. I did the medical faculties so it's pulling up. Tangy something coming out with by or something like that but most of the time it was angry journalists ringing saying because universities that political really political places. What's going on what's happening here. We want to talk about whatever that really wasn't iron not to hang on work can be hectic and what can be negative and where it can be very Personally impacting sorry. After i did that i realized And i and my partner at the time was also across comes manager voice of headed harm and so at the time i went. You know what account bay this. I can't do ten fifteen across the communication. It will drive me insane. So i am took a voluntary redundancy and just had a couple of a couple of months sorry Just trying to work out. What next and that's when A girlfriend of mine. Who's heading up brand at origin. Energy said Come work with me. And let's date you create completely. Sorry i just jumped into that. And really i want things to another well you the crosses calms thing Always i roll on. Nfc degree this. There's always a role that you have some point you create early on the really defines the areas you just go. That role was You know now. I don i look at things objectively now. If we're doing anything we're doing even at the shade society for product lines coming in. I will have a very objective mindset about it which has been crafted from monache doing crashes comes but even the way that i look at cardiff many situations that might occur inside the business. I've got such a different mindset and objective view of it now. I think. Because i'm so used to from those years at monash of things just going real wrong and and author kind of waiting for something to happen that i would have to quickly pivot. It's actually when you think about the perfect period of time in a career to develop what is needed sometimes in startup land Yeah you name. It went wrong at monash and Phyllis lots of things. That i did that. I look back now. If that hadn't of happened. I i now i go through. Press release with a fine tooth comb now because of what happened with press releases and stuff. Sorry just all sorts of things that have really Shop and i guess my senses area when you think about today's one two three four five six Seven different role sometimes multiple at organizations. And you know you've had you basically had about nearly ten years in the game it's It's probably about twelve thirty years. i don't put on. Because i was studying at uni and i was also a high school. Sorry i probably. I would probably candidates maybe ten years and we've got a least a decade now by now as a head of marketing. You i kind of look at it as like your golden principles and i was curious as to like water the defining things that you look to cut your staff on principle wise and always come back to when it comes to marketing fest inflammation. The big thing is that we are humans at the end of the day and we have to approach it away. We have to be kind. We have to be caring. We have to be that type of person. That is the first fundamental thing that i kind of tried to do. I'm really lucky at the shade. Society we've found is that really unlike any other founders and entrepreneurs met they are really kind people and they're really generous paypal and that makes a hell of a difference and so trying to instill that into the team as well that we don't have to be cut throat. We just do good shit and it works and search frying to do that and make everything fun and human is a really big thing for me. I think that's when we get the best out of people And i don't always get it right. And i don't pretend that i do There are times. When i coming really stressed in the team can say that and i try really hard for them not to say it and they do and they probably in emulate that back to me and stuff. Sorry i try to kind of catch myself on that. And we definitely try to keep open and honest transparent communication going on. But that's really what i think. The hot of good market is somebody. Who's real honest and human and then it all just flows naturally absolutely kill them with kindness. Yeah i mean every definitely times. I signed my agency would say. She's not very kind. Be times and i think they has to be times for it. Yeah but at the end of the day. We think a lot of this. What we do is built on relationships. Yeah what do you ever think about why you went in house versus agency Yeah very very clearly. The answer to that it is that i could only do one thing icon context which a context which enough in one brand let alone trying to do that across the board. I can say the value in it And that's why leans heavily on agencies. But i wouldn't i mean maybe as more and more sania i'd probably maybe look to it but i can't imagine it myself ever being in an agency here. That's that's fair. It is tough. I feel like i've done. I've done ten years of tough hiring really think that i need to of gone sweated out in an agency so we signed before the head of marketing sima row. Todays pot will mainly brand strategists. Are i think because you've always got performance. Market is be oversee halftime some insight as to what fullness marketing good performance marketing versus. Bad performance marketing. You've got to almost be a little bit of a or analyst financial analysts and now more than ever a people person that's probably why the number one component of you become less of a marcus. You know by just managing the sheer amount of paper. You've got when you think about your tool kit on a day-to-day basis. What is the number one thing that you're looking at before. Twelve off in the morning. She we make money I have a pretty good sort of understanding. If whatever avenue looks like to what i spend would as so i don't typically need to day today look in the dashboards. I have a pretty good understanding. If i wake up in the morning Look at trump fire content knowing what's going on so i'd probably Sometime throughout that day. Just be checking on a few numbers. I've got a really amazing agency. Sorry i and if you're working with them. I worked with them at frank rain and i brought them across to the sheet society as well. So we've got a really good cadence with the way we work so i am pretty much in tune with what would be going on If if i'm not day to day make my job's to be hard day today to be in. Google dashboards ought to be split of of of people. That do that. But i try as much as i can to be on the tools with them. I think anyone really respects anyone. That can actually do the job but they would be doing the job better than me. One hundred percent doing it but this specialists in the areas and we've got a phenomenal team at the shade society. I mean or of them all the time. And i think that i probably every single day is different for me. There'll be days when i'm leadership meetings. Or i'm very agency meetings or i'm doing one on ones with the tame. Yeah yeah we've got lots of agencies lots of that kind of going on and i'm context switching every day. Say i was in the store. Vm ing something. Changing it around Doing some styling advice with people. Like i buy days. Soya varied than not probably what they used to be a couple of years ago when a false performance marketing in the dashboards in analytics having look at trends and stuff like that. I'm very much probably now coaching people to do that. Really sometimes they coaching may as well. I alec some team is so amazing. And they haven't been doing it for that long and so they're really impressive high So if you think about you mentioned before by the agency who'd you have internally at sheet society like what particular roles specializations and then what do you think is best for a brand to lane on an agency for I'm so we haven't become specialist. We have a coordinator We have marketing coordinator. We have a content create We have Digital marketing manager. We have seen digital design off. We have a creative laid midwest designer of got external copywriting of external performance marketing cr and full stack development external so I this is a really interesting one. Because i've had a lot of people's all can do performance marketing tenley and i think coming from that background of performance marketing for years and really growing from up to medium size businesses. I don't i don't believe it i. I've never met anyone who really can do. Performance marketing the way the donations he can and especially in agency who has across multiple accounts. So they can say okay if my is rising great. I'm seeing that trend across multiple accounts. That's why sorry things like that. I think the think tank that you get agencies from them being able to draw upon lots of different experiences as well as having connections in with google and facebook directly. you can't get internally i. I've definitely i've heard lots of people be really proud of some of the results and i just think that if you went to an agency you could level that ups much more. Sorry i do think there's there's probably yeah i honestly i yeah i would be. It'd take me a lot to get me over the line that that would be a good idea. Actually you know when you when you speak about it too in the more i thought about. There's less i pay him. Performance marketing capacity to say brand. Craven al agency darn actually really have i mean. They have to understand that brian. And they have to understand sort of the athos of what. We're working to you but to brian marketers. They just have to be very smart analytical paypal. They need to understand a kfi increase the frequency. He i'm going to push this this way if i change it. Do they say the he. This is going to be like that. So it's not so much about the understanding the brand but it's undestanding how to reach people and how to convert people and dot is. That's the science. That i think he get from an agency what get internally. Smart digital market is on the other end. Who are going. Hey guys if you do that. It's actually going to negatively impact the brand you hitting the person three or four times at that. I'd prefer once or twice. I want to the with this. I think that the actual strategy obviously needs to sit in house but the the execution needs to external we agencies at lodge. There's been a big change because covered of the big full. Have they were decimated due to covid. I think thirty percent average redundancies was what we saw. So there's a lot of people out and about in the industry. There's a lot more independence particularly lodge independence and i was curious every time. I've gotten a marketer in here. What do you think agencies could be doing better for their clients as the years go on particularly in the next two years one of the things the services the expectations that you would prefer to see more of yeah agencies the agencies that i work well with the agency that as well we are the ones that stop and think about what the client saying The client is with day to day with the customer. Speaking to the customer undestanding their brand there. Some people out there their purest. If they brandon saad struggled to say things I guess holistically so. I get that to todd but relationships with clients and having a date understanding of what they're trying to do and also who they are and how they work. I don't think you can go pasta. That has to be the number one thing that agencies need to look for with the reason that i brought my agency from frank green across the street society is because the way that we crafted what we did. Frank green was us working together and coming up with strategy that worked for us as a relationship but then us on the account and that that is so important. And when i get. I get agencies emailing me all the time. Come over come about disney wayne. How got such a strong relationship with the agency. But i also they have a very deep understanding of how i market how what migrate strategy is and then also what the found is one. Because we've taken them any. So i think a lot of the time agencies probably need to stop and think about the client a little bit more and i nor that's hot because they probably say i feel like that's all we do but it's actually again i come back to that like a you doing it on a human level You actually crafting a relationship with these people. What does that come back to using. Is that simply just the man of contact compensations. The type of concession having with the is is the way that you guys communicate for example is being able to chat with them on slack having a shared china fulsome to slack for years. And they weren't have about vic. I think they know that has its have direct access to them But it is about being. I think really open and honest. I'm really honest about Margins they can look at revenue from shilpa fi. They can look best-performing Products they can get into the back of a. We don't have a problem. Sharing financials with them think that's a big one people. I think it really scared. I'd be done with the agency to noy. It's in the best interest if we rebel because they do better sorry for me. I don't care about seeing the financials. I think that helps. They've been feel like they're an extension of our rather than agency that we're keeping off the side we don't have you know. Sometimes the that can be these sort of how i definitely have it. I get onto the fine with an agency. Nothing oh here. We go unlock. It's to be attention and it's going to be a bit of we don't have that at all Sorry i think it's got a lot to do with bringing them on the journey last week that we now warehouse and we talk them to a holistic process. We walked all throughout product lines. And i spoke to them about a call rangers now signature lines and what the differences are and really took them on that journey sent. Send them product sleep in the product. Actually get a feel for it so when they What i'm saying to them. How cotton is amazing. We really need to push it. They've been sleeping in it for two months so they could get it. I understand that. I love it so i think it really comes back to intrinsically if you if you've got people on board your product and understanding what you're trying to do and on the excitement shazia and use a night like this is david ogilvy book racelis you as an agency communicating. What you've said to the client. We want your product. We want to be able to try it. I think he had this line. That like. You should exclusively shop at your clients stores products etc months. You bring them on as a client because you should know the product intrinsically and author wanted to believe in it. yeah it. It was a very interesting very obvious inside. But just you know. Hear someone else's quite interesting the product. No your big brand marketer. And you're very cain about new products launching new products. You're in a market. it's direct to consumer you have that advantage. There's a big emphasis on productivity differentiation. So i was curious. What are the key areas that you see sheet society developing into over the coming years in particular Well i think festival my swear shape business. I'm always be shaped business. So we're gonna do betting going to do bedding well but we're not going to diversify out and start doing sleep way So found haley's really clear on. We just do one thing and do it. Well darn tried to do everything. We're saying like semi competitive. Suddenly gonna you know we're gonna do sleepwear and we're going to cushion. Andrew throws me into all these things really if you just do your line. Well that's enough. And i really agree with that because when i got there i thought you know. Let's diversify the instituto she's like let's just do one thing really well. And it's sorry strong now to Do eat well customers nor that if they want to get good sheets just go to the society. You'll get good shakes you'd like we don't have to sort of fluff around it. It's just fundamentally at its cool. Product is strong. Soy things right pudding You know invisibles zip zip will it just makes it so much easier that a customer can zip their quote. They're quote up instead of doing the end. I it sounds like such a small thing but the impact of that is so large and date pillow foldout deep elastic on phychi. So you can get it right in onto your mattress. Thurs i guess. Us pays us. Oh strong for us. But then sitting on top of that is a brand positioning. That means that we can't really be copied. We people can put zippers on their quotas. Gripe you can definitely try and do that but you won't be able to copy what the essence of what the state society is so that cool calm collected effortlessly cool very humble kind of approach that the brand has cottigny's it'd be replicated and that really is the difference between having i guess productijn and benefits that can be easily copied to a brand positioning that sits sales very differently. We've been pretty lucky to have quite a few data see brands in actually. Yesterday i was interviewing You heard of them. Pair sock brand new direct consumer soft brandon's. It's this whole area fast nights the hell out of me because of what you can do at a product aren day level. This brand created the earn threat like a new type of thread in the world to make the socks comfy a- betta less stinky. Oh these your things that you can and because of that because we're also used to these things about this general category that have to you have to find new ways to get convinced because once once they feel the product once they have an know once. I've recently tried to soak it. Sulks yesterday shit. I need like twenty pays. Hey yeah and so they have like a thing of sending out a free pay called the mystery suck. I where i get to choose you. Try the salk for free payment just shipping and then in almost all cases they come back and buy like different bills. Yes so. I was curious. Obviously when that happens it means united the business grows you get more cash flow revenue which goes back into further further developing the supply chain and the product itself and making a bet increasing. Us pays let the zipper that you so you guys is a business. What intrigues me. The most long-term a you guys looking at developing urine threads so you guys well thinking about fundamentally the actual asa eating call now coleraine has been developed differently sir I think everyone knows you know you grow with nine hundred thread. Count egyptian calls for talks about album spark about it forever and Yeah and you know by sheridan nine hundred thread count. That's what you do. And people love to nine hundred thread count and this is what i do and i won't try and go into it because i'll do. Justice to haley will probably cry jimmy talking about it but it's basically the way that she's developed the wave has i think it's the wave to change their out. Go to four hundred thread count so it's just means out surface level of The way that we do the wave is lodge is. There's four over one under four over one. Under as opposed to egyptian cotton is under under And it sounds like a really kind of kind of complex thing but fundamentally we we four hundred thousand count. Instead of nine hundred it brings the price down it brings the ability for people to purchase it It makes that higher because it's a easy price point to get in Interior so you can buy a full set for a couple of hundred and it's been developed to be a stronger. Product is our what what she really did. Right from. The start is let me stop and think about what people need. They need to not have to buy nine hundred count. They need to be able to put zipper onto the product. Saw at the core. It is very much Function and also forms are those things work intrinsically together but she still think about the product Fist and foremost. Because then it means that it's it's easy to purchase it. it's be a cheaper. everyone can get in. It's it's not a scary. So the twenty one year old girls that we've started out a new marketing. Those girls now want to be part of the shake. Society brand want to purchase it but they don't have disposable income that a thirty year old might have so they can by eating cotton now And they can get in. And then we've got the fifty five year old women who want to go and buy the linen and that's great. They can get in touch with being able to start. Bringing out a different demo. That might have been been shopping at k mart. Yeah oh have been the are conic and then even really interest that. I love about these brands. These data see brands because it opens things up. We're actually talking about. This will walk around the park last night. Getting steps up. I was like what's going to happen with these still in the early stages like if i'm only shopping for my socks a pan only get my luggage july and only get my sheets estate saudade like what does that do to the shopping experience to the people who i guess. I'm curious for european into the people who ultra specialize like only focus on sheets succeed or do you have to increasingly offer. Further products that are somewhat related. Because this is sort of the question. I had here last night We'll we will always do trend. Lines one of the big things that highly does so highly came from fashioned so she was She was it. Tiger product says she was channing. Three fos fashioned there so she has a trend in a fashion mind. So that helps for if So for instance coach was a couple of years ago so when quota was all the ranch she recognized that and then she corduroy through into the bedding so the one thing that highly does really well. She recognizes the fashion trends. That are coming through say in the runway or overseas and then bring those through into the category of betting that warrant a change so will always come through so even though we have our core ranges enough signature rangers of underpin everything business. Does we have these fashion lines that come through and really the row something of newness into it and make something Really exciting for our audience. We tied the start of the year because todai was everywhere on in fashion We another example clay. We've re released klay loss because clay was all the rage as it heads and chairs and stuff so what and she has to develop that product. It's not like you can just get bidding Klay bedding we've gotta go and actually develop that product with the manufacturer but That's what she does not going to be what continues to make us. Different is out fast reactive way that we can get to market quickly with fashion trend. You that's very interesting Taught i fucking. Oh one year old girls. At twenty two year old girls love it and they were urban outfitters iconic just buying todai tops and suddenly we said hey you can have an extension of who you are and what you would wear can be on your bed now but you so right about the fashion component. 'cause when i think about like our agencies focus on challenger brands we are full service digital. We've got this talent component that we've slowly developed which has allowed us to really start to specialize in tiktok. I and to me. Todd is now like almost at fashion because of what was happening on talk and like how todd i was the thing from november december up until maybe feb a now see less todai related stuff on tiktok and now fill out with flown into the nineties into tightly fashion. Yeah and So but it's really interesting Just being involved in that sort of stuff saying that permeate fashion and trends mocking progression. I guess this is one of the things i'm interested in. I think you've said in previous interviews. People are at different stages. Sometimes you just need time to sort of build yourself as a mock it on previous interviews with its having an understanding of the basics then you more intermediate looking at more enhanced targeting content data and understanding all that sort of stuff. And then i think you move into of the more complex is the semi-rural which is why more people management waymo financial management. I'm way more being a product brain slash person or a brand person. Let's let's colon other than time. Which i know is just a necessity. What do you think has been the number one thing that's helped a mauka develop that understanding I probably knew that my foss pace reactive night shot needs to be installed up. I remember saying to myself. You might early twenty. I'm going to be the same old country right in my fifties. They're gonna do it. And i would say now. That's not something that i need to do at all. I has taken a different path. And it's absolutely the path that i is best for me but what i can say that if i had gone through that trajectory and if i had gone through say start of country road and i have worked my way up through. You know doing the digital marketing manager. Then i can't say mockumentary went through that way. I wouldn't have learnt as much about business. If i have con- if i went that way then doing it the way that i've done it through start up so when i say frank rain was you must start up in a lot of ways and what i had. Access to in terms of manufacturing logistics operations That whole area you get that in those big businesses. I i wouldn't have had country worried all sports. Kill any of those places access to understand the logistics and supply chain of working with the product teams and stuff. So i think that's probably one of the biggest. Things is have chosen roles where i can get a full set or can get big skill set from really diversifying. What we're working on. That's been really big. But i will say that i it is time. It's a lot of time. And i remember at twenty five th either twenty six or so and how to that to me would be like whatever time but you do and i think it's not even just For your correo. It's actually for personally what's going on with you as well as you progress through the stages and you have share houses and then you maybe by harm or you get a dog or you know whatever happens this so many things that i think personally happened to twenties early thirties. That's shape who you are. And then shape how you are in your career and i think that you need that on the outside as well as on the inside so yes the last year and a half what year and being with a shade society has been a very creative funding Roll it has only been allowed to bathe because of may over the list of what i've done in and out of my career y'all is gonna say because the people who are very career driven you would need to make an argument. We need to really side them. You need life experience. How do you get locked experience. Well you can't always be working to live your life essentially tardily even the way that if be marketing over the last few months as opposed to what doing last year's changed because a welder pinned up again and we could experience things again. Sorry even having touch points outside home to change the way that i market has occurred Yeah i know. No one wants to hear that it's time because that means you're looking down the barrel of ten years before you but i also think it's a really enjoyable time and it's time to kind of sit back and go yeah cool. I'm going to focus maybe on digital marketing performance. And i'm gonna really Chain that skill But i'm also going to take the leap to london or whatever. i think. Those are the opportunities that i probably wasn't wanting to take as much. Because i really i was just. I'm going to be a samer mocking. What i'm going to get there and i think you know i don't wanna say it but i got to roll that i love and i've got to a position that i love and probably wished i probably just really specialized in areas a little bit more but knew that it was gonna take time. And that was ak in hindsight when you look at your life thus far dusing there are particular personal decisions and things that have gone on in your life. That really gave you that experience. Like not as all travel dogs. Or how do you think this something in particular. There's nothing quite like getting dogs. I think to really really ground to you. So i got a labrador frankie who i got a couple of years ago. She's been amazing I'd also say partners for me has been a really big thing leading. Different people kind of in has really helped to shape how i approach people inside work as well. Getting their inside Lot of traveling of travel. the world. for years news Lived in madagascar for a couple of months When i first with when i was actually three unions us third world country. I just lots of stuff like that. I think So many different People as well got some amazing relationships from people that i've had through my career I've been amazing. A friend from frank green. I've got some great friends from heinz paint. And i think those people have shaped me as well endorsed the input. And i'm i'm like a sponge. Just want i want to absorb people and i think there's so much that people can offer and i'm sorry fun to say auditory and either get it and helped me and i think that's probably what led me heavily relationships. Who is gonna ask you about trends to finish things off and maybe ask you. What do you think want change about direct consumer slash maycom brands over the next couple of years I think customers are going to continue to only get smarter and scotto. We've already saying that they don't that aren't want just some influence standing there holding something saying by this much smarter than that now. I don't think that's going anyway. I think anything. They're only going to get better and better in that space. I think we're gonna continue to say People moving more to the yet to the dnc. Brands i also think they just have this feeling that we might say more of the traditional marketing coming back. Billboards newspapers that kind of stuff. I just feel like when it swings one way too far it naturally has to swing back so that kind of interest me be. I'm doing pop up in charleston this weekend for two weeks doing a really like experience. You'll kind of Installation type of thing. We really want people to experience brand. You can actually buy the product that you can order the product online with awesome. We'll send it to you. But it's about experiencing the brand in eight by space so things like that. I think we're can say a lot more of because we have to take it. I think line to get it back online What's funny you mention that because he had. That's if you'd looked at the two years ago. That's what amazon sounded doing is buying brick and mortar yet Enough you know strategically. The blog talks about ticks strategy. It's like the beak thing in tech. The moment is actually going off on. Yeah totally i think. Even as a customer. I want i want to sometimes go offline really consume it to then go on it all go sometimes to charleston a wherever a shop around and then go home and buy it I think a lot of people want that experience online for us. Your sheets come prewashed. They come in a nice package. They come with a penalize. North people want that experience. So i do think there's a bit of that going on but i think fundamentally we're just gonna have to continue being smart about how we do things we can't just keep throwing out brand awareness heads and that we're going to be doing the best job ever has to change and Accustomed smarter and sponsored posts. Need to be better in content to be better and this really hit home so I think there's a lot of opportunities. But i really think we need to not get too analytical with the way that we look at somebody stuff and actually step back and as a consumer. What does that person fundamentally. Because what do i want and then. What does mom want over the moon. Kate thank you so much for coming in. How can people find you. And the sheet society on the into webs yes initiate society dot com I'm kate. How did lincoln seat society instagram is. Probably the one place to go. Yeah wuling cool of that of course in the shaina everything. We've chatted about today but Our thanks for coming in.

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"Bath and welcomed into episode 49 of the Poke, the bear podcast, the rich peverley episode presented by BetOnline. I'm your host Conor Ryan flying solo today. As our esteem MC Evan Mera. Naam, ski is currently down the cape, enjoying some much-needed time off. So this is so low operation today. Going to be a little bit different from our normal show off or need any kind of go back and forth going through topics. But you know, we're still going to focus on some of the, the main issues, some of the emerging Trends I guess you want to say going into this offseason. The Bruins namely I guess kind of starting off with a familiar off-season narrative. You follow along last year in Oliver ekman-larsson and the Bruins game. Potential interests in the Arizona Coyotes Captain. So we'll talk about that a little bit and then kind of rounding up the second half of the show. We're going to focus on a few listeners submitted questions that we got through each other, which kind of cover the whole gamut of different things. So, again, a little bit of different show. Hopefully, Evan will have, you know, it's a nice time off. Go to Sunday school down in the cape, shoutouts home school, go to the beach, get a tan and come back and be ready to record. Are podcasts as normal going into next week. So yeah, I guess starting with just kind of dive right into it with all kind of the the main topic. Again, we're in the, the doldrums, I guess you want to say, of of this offseason in terms of, not a lot of tangible news going on right now. And again, that's not going to be the case until probably the end of July. We're going to have some actual legitimate news to talk about because Until we get to I think it's July 21st with the Seattle expansion draft. You're not going to see a lot, a whole bunch of, you know, crazy movies, you know, even trades which can happen before that way. I don't think you're going to see any team significantly augment their Rasta until the the crack and have their pick of all these different players because you're not going to have, you know, let's say the for the sake of argument, the Bruins trade for a Mattias ekholm or something like that. That's that's all well and good. You could definitely use them but you don't want to go into a situation long ago. I got home and all of a sudden, oh wow, we now have to lose one of grzelcyk, right, you know, cuz it would probably be ar Kalo, you know. So until you get to July 21st, it's going to be a whole bunch of more or less sitting around us talking about different subjects. Kind of riffing going through potential scenarios which are all going to probably play out. The end of July going into August. So as long Might as well discuss another topic which could go and whole bunch of different directions, which is the Bruins potential interests and Oliver ekman-larsson. As I said before, if you guys are familiar with the podcast going into last year, the Bruins and the Canucks were linked to all of recommend. Lots and for a good chunk of the of the offseason it was definitely a weird scenario where coyotes who are kind of stuck in no-man's-land, right? You don't really know what what to expect from a team like that. They already are you know they've tied up a whole bunch of different contracts. You don't really see where the light of the end of the tunnel is for that team, there like behind in in paying off their their payments for their own Arena which is not usual. A good sign into franchises is doing too well, so that the team that at the very least needs to clear significant amount of cap especially in this flat cap era, and moving in Garden Larson for them. Bunch of sense because the guy even if he was playing up to his level, is not worth eight a little over eight million that that he's worth on an annual basis with you, I think 2026 so it makes sense of the coyotes to want to move them. Last year, didn't get anything done. Obviously getting any trade with the coyotes involved in Ecuador, it's going to be complicated because you have to imagine that whether it was the Bruins of the Canucks were the only two teams that actually off to said he would be okay. Getting trades because you have no movement of was any team trains for him. A whole bunch of different factors, go into that, cuz if you're Arizona, you have to go into it, knowing you have to going to have to make some concessions, right? Whether it's uh retain some of that that salary or not getting a whole bunch back. You know, if ekman-larsson was signed to Four and half five million dollars, then you could talk about getting, you know, legitimate, you know, first round, pick a couple of young pieces back. If a team is going to take that contract off your hands, either have to retain some jobs or you're giving him away for a couple of bi-level prospect. Second round, pick something like that. So obviously last year didn't get done between the Bruins cannot. So the coyotes ekman-larsson stayed put and I imagine that the coyotes are probably regarding that quite a bit. They didn't get, you know, you know get him off the books for pennies on the dollar even because he was acting honors, it was pretty Dreadful last year. I mean, you kind of look at equinoxes game and whole bunch of like about them. You know, in terms of, if you kind of know though, the resume that he's had over his, I think eleven years in Arizona guy who played Twenty-One twenty-two minutes a night for a long time. Was a very, very good job. You know, generator of offense from the blue line, which you look at the Bruins and what they're looking for, this office is going to make a meal. He's talked about, we've talked about on this podcast before that off the need to get a legitimate you know, top pairing left shot d. A guy that can average 20-plus minutes a night. Generate offense. I mean from a six-year stretch for economics and from 2013 to 2019 the guy average 16 and 1/2 goals per season. It's not like he's just a guy who just bomb in from the blue-line, like he's a an established playmaker in this league, so from the Bruins perspective and kind of circling back once again, to surprise a very few, the coyotes are looking to move that point laughs. And again, Craig Morgan of easy Cotija cider, who's very well-connected down there said that, you know, once again, coyotes are exploring trade options for ekman-larsson and this this year, I think, especially considering how much last year kind of went off the rails wage. I think there's a mutual understanding between both parties that, you know, I don't think it's going to be as picky with where he goes with that no-movement Clause so I'm sure he wouldn't be thrilled about going to Winnipeg, right? But if there's another team that has a, a good offer, I think probably the the writing is on the wall between ekman-larsson, the coyotes that maybe a change of scenery is kind of the the go to move. Now at this point, considering how things have gone. So from the brunch perspective, you know if you're looking at that change of scenery, you know maybe he's a guy you take a fly around because again we know what ekman-larsson who who's twenty nine years old. You know, we know what he can bring over his last couple of years and if he's the guy that is even 85% of what he was during that, you know, 2013 to 2019 stretch. That's great, right? Especially considering, you're probably not going to have to give up the same amount, would have to give up for a neck home, or Noah hanifin or or one of these other guys where instead of it being, uh, you know, first round pick, you know, debrusk and stood Nika or something like that. Like I don't think it's going to take that much to get X-Men. Last Stand off the books, especially if you're taking a big chunk of that. Contract law says, they're from groups respective. It's you know if there's not a lot of other options out there and you want to find a guy who could be a top pairing left shot D to pay with, you know, McEvoy even Kalo. Dak acting also nice to appeal, right? And you can kind of frame it the same way as the the Taylor Hall situation before he got to Boston, we're listening. He's a guy who's game is in a rough spot off. He's on a team, kind of going nowhere, which it might be putting it lightly considering how bad Buffalo was last year. But again, a guy who goes to city in Boston, I think everyone took the league know is kind of environment that the Bruins and Patrice Bergeron have cultivated here. So maybe fresh start here. Different environment Franklin lesson, you know, knowing that he doesn't have to be the guy, right? Like even if he was on this team, he's not he go to option anymore, right? That that's childish Charlie McAvoy nap. So maybe you get him and he's dead. You know he rebounds and you've got your legitimate you know, top pairing. I mean if you have a, Larson from even 2019 with McEvoy, that is a pretty legit pairing off the expectations. The issue is of course, you run into a spot where You compare him to Taylor Hall and it makes sense if you want, if the Bruins to get a guy like o e l, but the difference is that Taylor Hall. As bad as, you know, maybe his Baseline numbers were home. And as rough as that Buffalo, Sabres team was Taylor Hall. At least you looked at like the underlying metrics and the way he played and you can see that you put them in a new spot. Like I'm still a good player. Like his transition numbers were very, very strong, you know. Takeaways, we're pretty strong, we just kind of an indicator of I think, what we all saw when he was in Boston, which is that had a game was pretty slept on, you know, I think we saw that quite a bit when he got here and you looked at, you know, Halls ability, even on a bad Buffalo team with not a lot of supporting help, you generate High danger chances, you could see that, you know, maybe he's just in a rough spot, maybe his individual game if he puts it puts them in a new spot, he does much better X-Men alarm. Not really the same situation because his individual play. Was very bad. He was downright Dreadful last year and that's not to say that it's a. You can blend it all on. Just the the system that, you know, maybe who's in with a rep earlier on in the year or the fact that Arizona's kind of a, a whole home team. But, you know, there are plenty of other guys on that decore for Arizona, who had much better Seasons. 52 train was really kind of leapfrogged ekman-larsson in on the depth chart that he's pretty much, you know, go to top pairing bloodshot guy. Now he had a great year so it's not a system in Arizona. It's unfortunate. Seems like it's more of a common license game himself. I mean if you look at you know, Jake fresh hockey at day for ice, hockey does a great job of I think creating these play accomplish that show you where players ranked in their percentile amongst other players in their position across the league and you'll get a criminal acts. And I mean last year, 19th percentile and even strength off at home. Amongst defenseman, 12% percentile and even straight defense amongst defenseman not great. So he's not giving you either. One of the things you need which is offense from the blue line or wage, very least, he's shutting down. Chances on the other end of the ice, the 1 percentile and power place. It's not like he's even a guy that as much as he has, kind of warts in his game, he's still Generation stuff on the on the PowerPlay not having that either and it's quality competition who's in the 47th percentile. So it's not like he's this guy who unfortunately his his numbers aren't that great because he's averaging, you know, 40% offensive zone faceoffs or or what-have-you it's not like he's kind of, you know, fed to the wolves in that system. He's getting favorable matchups and wage. The Kyrie's getting absolutely hemmed in when he's out there. So you look at X-Men Larson's, you know, game and how it's not turning downward. I mean it's plummeted unfortunately, the last month The seasons coupled with the fact that moving moving him again would be complicated because, you know, you, you're trying to get some wage salary released there. So you don't want to take the full, eight to five million cap hit that. That actually a lot of students going to warn, which is through the 20 26, 27 season. So another year on top of that. So, down from the Bruins where it's not like, you know, X-Men Last Stand or that left that left shot. D is the the one main target you have, right? I mean, you can't allocate all that cap, hit to one guy who who's far from a sure thing, that he's even going to be the guy that you expect him to be. You know, you still gotta deal with re-signing David krejci or Taylor Hall or you've got to look at the situation where do you need? Probably at least another legitimate Winger on the 3rd line that's you know a Blake Coleman or a Ethan like a Brandon Saad or something like that. If he's available, if you want to pay up for Thursday, You look at you know another guy if I need another guy on defense to whether that's a oleksiak or Jake McCabe or or someone like that. So whole bunch of things that brings to take care of so you're not going to bring in Madison for 8.25. And even if you get them for six million, still whole lot to pay for for a guy that might be far away on the downward trend of his career. So unless the Bruins want to get creative and, you know, you get a situation where the, you move some contracts over but like the owner real bad contract, the Bruins have is probably John Morse which you'll get rid of it. If Arizona wants to take that on for a short of a shorter-term deal, but I don't think you're going to move totally clueless contracts. You got a no-movement clause, I don't think he wants to go to Arizona. Maybe it's something where Arizona would be willing to move a, you know, include a sweetener in the deal. So if it's a Kanagawa and maybe wage, You talked about on this podcast before as being a guy that I think the Bruins should Target young player, confirm a switch. From the course right in terms of what the Bruins would be targeting but a very good young player who I think could be a 20-25 goal scorer for a very, very long time in the right situation so far has been ones include home. Maybe you explore that if it's a big a deal then think, you know, maybe both sides can get creative and work out a deal. But as of right now, I think you look at home, even if the Bruins don't trade any trades for any left, you know, left shot D. And let's say they sign oleksiak and McCabe to a value contract. You had those two guys off for probably combined six, six point two, five million? I think that's probably a better bet than trading for ekman-larsson and I'm running the risk of, you know, acquiring this guy that is already damaged goods at this point which at that point considering brings her in a win-now window you can't afford to have a a with like that. Where a guy that you hope is the name. There is by the end of the year, a third pairing option at best for you, which might be what I've been Larson is now and you add in the cap hit again, just not a good bet home. But listen guys, you know what is a good bet getting involved with the fine folks at Bed online? Because listen up, it's an exciting time of the year, around the Sports World, the Red Sox are playing with. The Celtics are, yeah, they're, they're they're and the Bruins are also there. But listen, if you haven't made it back to Fenway, just yet, you can still be in on the action at BetOnline, no matter how the schedules. 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We'll see how the situation changes maybe this will get reports of how much the the coyotes are willing to eat some of that contract. But as of right now, I think the brunch is steer. Clear of any talk involving o e l home. So, we'll see you then situation changes. Cuz I think from now until Camp opens in late September, you're going to have a whole bunch of different trade, rumors involving the Bruins, so getting planning to get to this offseason. So we'll kind of wrap things up for this pod, by going through, a few user-submitted questions. So I'm going to just run down the list here, starting with Eddie Ray who tweeted at us and said a screeching halt resigned 14 Friendly Deals who are realistic free agents to acquire for the bottom six and defense attorney next season. Into a true cup Contender. Yeah, no Eddie I agree that, you know, I think the biggest key is going to be re-signing krejci Hall and probably Rask to to those teen Friendly Deals. And again, team-friendly is we'll see kind of what the the numbers odd because I think every year we go into the offseason expecting that these guys to sign for cheap, but being kind of pragmatic about it and then they signed for extremely cheap. So I don't know if you're getting table hall for dead. Five and half million. But even if you get him for let's say, 5 year, 30 million dollar contract, I think you'd be extremely happy to get him in that situation. So you look at life if you're able to sign Hall and krejci and will say, sign rats for right now you have to be feeling pretty good about at least your top six, like as much as maybe that's like a line with disappointing. In the playoffs, I think you'll be very happy having that that top six back in the fold. I mean, I think full 82-game season, you could look at a 30-goal season for a guy like Taylor Hall. You look at Fifty Point Fifty Point year for a guy like Craig Smith so good to be happy with how that situation could could turn out. So as for other free agents at the birds could Target again we'll see what they do on the trade market especially on defense but I think you know two guys that the room should definitely look at have to be oleksiak who fits the bill. I mean, I'm sure Burtonsville of a galaxy like anyway cuz he's six, seven, Chrome. Down guy, definitely fits the need of what? What you need. He's a guy that you don't want to save his built for the postseason cuz you know, you're also seeing guys like Holden Caulfield be pretty much Montreal. Who is not six seven. But he's definitely guy though that would fix a number of issues for this team. Just as being, another big body guy who has proven to be a shutdown guy, a guy who can also do some offense so aren't even to be sending out like came and a guy like Jake McCabe who was coming off season-ending knee injury. But when he was healthy with Buffalo was very, very good, you know, a guy who I think is very, very underrated. So if you sign him to a value contract and it is becomes even these your third pairing guy, that's a pretty damn good third parent guy. Even if he's not the player, he was home. Last year, if he's even 90% of that, he's a damn good player cheap at Gabe's. So, if you're able to get two of those guys, and if she already that makes him Major Impact and then log, We'll see what they do for the brains. In terms of you know, the full of wine, I could see it being a very much a situation where that's the, the pipeline for younger players to kind of cut their teeth. So whether that's Frederick or a camera, huge what-have-you, I can see more guys added into that mix. Maybe they target, you know, Mathieu, perreault or someone like that, like a month, a guy who could go in there, but I think probably they're, they're saving most of their money for legitimate. You know, top pairing defenseman or a legitimate guy on that third line so long. I think guy that makes funny sense of Blake Coleman. He's going to get paid a lot a lot more than he was making in years past. But ideally, that's a guy you target though, right? Even if he's maybe going to walk in the back end of his career, when you signed into that deal, you need a guy on the 3rd line to pay with coil. That one can generate offense. I mean, in a full 82-game, season Blake Coleman is a Pretty much a lot to be a 15-20 goal scorer, very good to a player fast player. I think you need a guy like that on that third line now and if not Blake Coleman, you know, whether that's a, that's a Brandon Saad or or other another legitimate guy, you can't go into the year with. I think a situation where you have a couple of guys that maybe look pretty good, you know, maybe they break out, you know, maybe maybe they wrong with Jake debrusk again and he does very well. I wouldn't put it past them. I think if you move Jake debrusk, there's I think it's going to be a lock. There you go, somewhere else is going to school in goals but you know maybe put him in on the left side and all of a sudden you have a guy like Coleman on the other side and it works out, but you can't go into the able to potential unknown. Let's say it's debrusk and Richie who Richie had his moments but Still you go into the postseason where he was a bit of a no-show or he couldn't keep up with that pace. I think you need to to get at least one guy on that line with coil. That's a proven legitimate guy, a guy that even could be a top-six guy, I almost like a new another Craig Smith, right? Where best case scenario, probably a third parent guy but can play higher up in the lamp if needed. You need a guy like that to really drive that helped drive that Thursday and so yeah, I would look at definitely oleksiak McCabe. I think is definitely glad that you get just in terms of what the potential return could be and then I think you need a a legit you know not another like a Kasha or something, where it's a guy who maybe is injury concerns or guy that you hope does. Well, you need a legitimate 20-goal guy that that could really help drive that third line, you can't really have any more half measures considering this seems when now window. Go through another question, Steven Duty says two questions how are you? So cool. Doing awesome. Thank Stephen. And a second question is which Bruin we got claimed in the expansion draft. So Steven I think you're looking at most likely a situation where see a month, I will tie get one of the Bruins young defenseman. I've heard a lot of people mention, you know, leaving gallic, debrusk unprotected which I understand the risk is a polarizing player but I think that's just read off Asset Management. If you're the Bruins, if you're just going to let a guy like the Rusk walk and I understand maybe you let them walk because you want to just get his contract off the books. But even if you trade him for pennies on the dollar, whether it's you know draft capital or another potential project or what-have-you, that's a better way of managing your assets than just giving him away to Seattle where again if you move him, I would not be surprised if an another situation, he's back to being a 20 goal scorer. Like I don't think you let a guy like that go just for the sake of letting him go or just cuz he had a very very bad year last year. So long. In terms of guys that she had a went, I get I think you have to be prepared for most likely one of either Clifton or Lowe's on to get scooped up. I think as much as they may not be flashy Acquisitions. If your team like Seattle and you can get a guy like Clifton or Lowe's on who it's very least signed to a very affordable deal with term and a guy who you can pencil and is being your third parent guide a couple of years. If you're Seattle, and you're just getting those basic building blocks this value in those guys. So I imagine they're going to look at guys like Lowe's on Clifton. Maybe Richie, I imagine the Rings will leave him unprotected, but if you'll see at 11, know, if you want to be the team that is going to be handing him that payday that he's going to get this this offseason. So I'm going to go into it expecting. Probably one of Clifton or Lowe's on to gets cooped up in a home moves like that. So which further reinforces the need that that you need to bolster that Decoy Works probably losing one of those two younger players. We have a another dog Message from Jimmy who wants to know at at Cruiser underscore, Jimmy Ideal six defensemen next year game one. Well, lock and change their bounds. I would say, probably I'll go much more of a measured take because, who knows what's going to happen in terms of the trade market? I don't know if natural wants to move back home. I don't know if Calgary wants to move a guy like Hannifin, who had a really good rebound year. I think, when he was with relief, he was with tan of, I want to say, he had a really strong here for Calgary time if they want to move him. So I'll be a little bit less less dramatic, I guess with how how we view the decor so long, but if you're the Bruins and you sign oleksiak and McCabe and then maybe just another step piece on the right side. So if it's you know Johnny hot dog, Who is, you know, a guy who's either 65207 on the right side. I don't know if he's your third pairing guy, but if you even if he's your depth guy, that's you're in a better situation than you had before. So whether it, you know, let's say for the sake of it top pair Echo. Home oleksiak and McEvoy is your top pair which month straight shut down option. McEvoy still going to drive that pairing second pair Grizzly, Kalo, which the Bruins used quite a bit last year. It was kind of an interesting mix between those two guys kind of very different players, kind of like Krugman Kalo, but they were kind of the router shut down option for a while. The Bruins gave them a lot of tough minutes and they did pretty well. I mean, the caller. When he's healthy, is a great choice on guy and critics Majesty's a smaller player is pretty Adept at getting out of those D Zone stats, if he's moving the puck with authority. So could see that being a very, very effective second pair. Then if your third pairing is dead, You know, let's say it's McCabe and Hawking. Power is Clifton as claimed pretty good. Third pairing, you know, a lot of pump on that on that third pair McCabe, who I think if he was healthy to be getting 3 and 1/2 four million to be, illegitimate second-parent guy like McCain, still legit player plays the game Hide effective player so that's what go with right now. We'll see how the trade market kind of pans out who could be out there but in terms of maybe being a bit conservative of just focusing, maybe more in the free-agent Market. I think those could be guys that the burns guitar get that They may not be all totally flat fee. It's not like a you know Jamie oleksiak is when she's a big guy is a a game-changer. I think those guys all make a sizable difference for the routine especially when compared with what the decor was last year, we got another one from Chris Mahoney, he says if Bergeron skirt ended today. Does he make the Hockey Hall of Fame on his first ballot? I think it's slam dunk Chrome. I think as much as it seems like some many people are not going to give him that fits Elke to pass Gainey which is unfortunate because she goes as much as you know, barkov and stone were both very, very good this year and you know bark off has definitely been building towards getting a selkie for the first time in his career Bergeron. Life inclusion, as a finalist. This year wasn't just on off reputation. Like he was In this particular dominant this year, especially in his own zone. So it's unfortunate that he didn't get, that fits selkie. This season got left off. I think 11:00 ballots, just another will say the one made for when evidence here and we can kind of Riff on the the 11 writers who left Bergeron, off the ballot. But in terms of just Bergeron's body of work, I think page him down and arguably the best two-way Center in the in in the league. I mean the guy you could make the argument could have had six or seven. Selkies you have that with Stanley Cup, playoff performances, I just overall production out there on the ice. I think he's a slam dunk. I would be, I'd be very shocked, he's not a first-ballot guy and if he isn't, then whoever's maybe voting for The Suck, is also ones, you know, leading that. Cuz I I mean I think he's above a sure bet as as you as you can get out there. We got one from Aaron Thompson. He says, how much we worry about a possible o e l deal. We obviously cover that early on in the Pod but Aaron, I wouldn't be concerned about it because again, I think there's so much of working against a deal like that working out between the Bruins, especially, I think Flatline, even if it was salvageable, I think you'll get the Bruins cap situation and how many different fires you have to put out in the lineup, unless, you know, Arizona's giving him up for and they're eating you know, two thirds of that contract. The Bruins can't take on a guy like o e l how long it's going to take up a big portion of the remaining cap at this, this offseason as far too many other things they need to do and then are going to bring in a guy, go yell when getting him limits you from getting, let's say a Lexia Core, especially, you know, a Blake Coleman or something like that on the bottom sick. So I wouldn't be too concerned about it. We'll see. We'll see how that changes but dead. So right now I think too many factors working against a deal like that if you're the Bruins, an errand also adds with nearly essentially affirming that they box. The 2015 draft has the organization is not anything to improve their draft developing resources. So, definitely there's been plenty of new faces there, since then, I think, obviously, you have to be concerned one as much as we hate. Probably talking about five-fifteen draft. It's kind of just continue to loom over this franchise as fresh as we get to the kind of the doldrums of the post Burger narrow. We're ideally, you'd have that second wave supporting this current month. Whether that's again, we don't go to the names but plenty of guys on that first round that even if they're not franchise players would be making a sizeable difference on this team now. So they've they've always they've changed some planning and organization since 2015 as we was franchises. Do over that stretch of time. But I think the biggest thing now is just a dream Moving forward just how to best tie it so best tiger younger players in the drafts. So this drop is going to be key for them. It's not really a loaded draft and there's a top-tier talent but considering how many cancellations and issues that work because of covid-19. Get another legitimate. You know top saxena you're going to be staring at a pretty tough situation if you're the Bruins the next couple of years so would not be surprised. They look at a lot of guys down the middle and this upcoming draft, you got another one from Andrew Gray. Keep hearing of who we don't want to get as a big left defenseman o e l and Hansen who is available that fits. So yeah, we'll see the trade market pans out Hannifin. I think is a very good left shot. D a guy who could be a top pairing guy. He's not really a super physical guy, even though he's a bigger body part of the guy that makes the most sense. If you're looking at kind of checking out all of what nearly was focusing on, which is, you know, 20 plus minutes a night shutdown, generating offense at home, makes the most sense there that turn guy proven playoff. Performer guy plays a bunch of minutes, big body, 6-3. I think has been very good at Jim Offense in the blue line so he's a guy thing. Good checks off all the boxes, it's just going to be whether or not Nashville is ready to move on from, you know, they they could be stuck in a different, a difficult situation, the coming years with guys like forsberg getting free agency. So maybe this is the accelerate kind of the rebuild that's on the way and move a guy, he's not in their plans long-term but we'll see what happens there as long as that he could maybe get some you know whether it's a someone that Seattle picks up they want to make a trade with could see you got like Vince tan getting moved, I like Ben Stein, he's a good player but he's not I can see them getting a guy like Vince tan and Bruins fans not being thrown has been Stones. I think six feet nothing more maybe more of a playmaking guy but pretty solid in his own Zone but I feel if you don't get one of these bigger bodies like like oleksiak or even a McCabe, I want people going to be up in arms so we'll see what they do. But Echo makes the most sense it's going to be whether or not Nashville. Wants to move him at this point, which they didn't do last year. And who knows how this Bruins playoff run would have changed if echoing was available and they spoke to the fence and got him, because he is a legitimate repairing guy that could impact a lot of teams decoders, if he was available, and then we will wrap up with John Simmons Jr. Who says main questions with the Bruins be active in free agency? Will they be pedestrian? Like they have been in years past. I expect them to be very active John. I think especially the writing's on the wall that you probably have one year. Maybe maybe 2 years left of legitimate. Contention. So as I said earlier, you can't do half measures at this point. You need to get at least one or two defensemen out there with its trade or free agency and I think you need to spend big and get a guy like Coleman. Even if it's an over pay those guys make the a world of difference as much as people want to wage. About teams like the blues and how they help muscle the Bruins. You look at the blues, you look at Tampa Bay, you look at, even in like, Montreal this year. One thing they all have in common thoughts of depth and they all have multiple lines that can kill you. Even look at the Islanders, where they've got their bottom six or producing, you can't get through the gauntlet of a playoff, a push without having all four lines being rolling rolling on all four lines and having them contributing. So, for the Bruins, I think the writing's on the wall, you know what the flaws are, you know, how to address this these issues, so proud of spending big, but I think you have to do it through free agency, there's no other real option, unless you want to be stuck in this. Perpetual second-round exit the next year or two until eventually you have to blow it all up. So I think it's a nice option and I think that probably cognizant of the fact that that needs to be done. Another question. From John, who just try to let go and why is it Jake debrusk? So yeah, it's going to be interesting cake. After with the Brusque again, I'm not moving him for the sake of just moving him because I still think there's value there as much as probably shot as terms of, you know, moving him in a trade. But I'm only going to be a tough situation with the Bruins because perfect world you'd like to have him back. Let's say, you haven't back on the left side with coil, maybe he rebounds? Maybe in the post covid-19, he's off not stuck in a hotel room, he gets back to you know, enjoying going to the rink and his game rebounds and he becomes the 20 goal scorer of that. I think we all know he can be but if they decide that maybe a fresh start is the best move for everyone. Then you probably moving him for far from what his probably actual value is so tough situation with the Bruins to way there in terms of what they do. But I would say probably his standing right now is pretty unsteady in terms of whether you can expect him back out there again for the Bruins next season. And final question for John is wage, Saving regular season games, you've been to and why it's a good question, as a whole bunch of them. We've lucked out. And we've had obviously quite a few great games. A lot of great playoff games, like I would probably say with the game, one against the Islanders, in this past round was probably the most memorable game I've ever been to, you know, obviously, they'll guidance been very, very loud for home. No Stanley Cup Final in 2019, the Char Ovation game five. But I think part of the significance of of that first game with all the fans back, how friggin loud it was, I've never heard of a building, a loud in my life. And the significance, I think of that of just the first sign of things being back to normal that way, probably, most memorable game I've ever been to a regular season, quite a few good ones from at that, 2019, the 2018-19 season. You know, they had the the Those few late comeback, say that great 3rd. Come back and said Panthers, and they had won against the Ottawa Senators. And a few days later, those games were crazy, they had the game, I think it was 2019, November crew game, where they came back and tied the game later into the wild, and then crew did his Frank. The Tank celebration on the OT goal and that game was great. So there's a whole bunch of different options even getting from they've lost. I think the last game last home game before the pandemic, the, the Lightning game where it was like, I think five or six fights. I think there's like a 5-3 final, that felt like a legitimate playoff game and then, of course, we didn't get home fans in the stands for fourteen fifteen months after that. So that was another one that comes to mind. So there's a whole bunch that have I've been lucky enough to see in person since I've been down beat, but those are a few of those that stand out. So yeah, those are all the the use of submitted questions we have for this week again. Thank you guys all for submitting those plenty of game. Stuff to talk about and that kind of wraps up episode 49 of the Poke the bear broadcast. Obviously next week you guys can be sure that it will not just be me shouting into the void or rambling as but maybe this one might have been after will be back next week and we'll be able to refer a bit more on. I'm sure probably more o e l talk and kind of just the next step for this Bruins team cuz as I said leading off we've got a bit of a long way to go before we get to to the actual tangible news of the offseason so well twenty month stuff if you want to follow my work over at Boston's western.com subscribe there we have plenty of stuff breaking down, you know. Like when Larson and some other options and narratives so long as follow us over there and we'll be back next week for another more normal episode of poke the bear podcast. So thanks for listening guys.

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36. Los colores y su significado segn la Cbala

AstroC?bala C?smica

27:32 min | 1 year ago

36. Los colores y su significado segn la Cbala

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Episode 370: Kings vs. Blackhawks 2014 Rewatch

The Hockey PDOcast

1:11:34 hr | 8 months ago

Episode 370: Kings vs. Blackhawks 2014 Rewatch

"In two thousand and three nike signed thirteen-year-old freddie due to a seven figure contracts. But freddie didn't live up to the height he is turned down every single documentary project looking closely at the details of his career. Until now we're going to look at everything you did because of the hype surrounding your arrival. And what they think you can be. I'm grant wall. And this is american prodigy. Freddy do from blue. I or podcasts Pressing to the means twenty fifty. It's the hockey pedia. Cast with your host dimitri philipovich. Welcome to hockey. Pedio cast dimitrova povich and joining. Me is my good buddy jordan. Samuels thomas jordan goodman nothing just Enjoy my time here. In san diego obviously played here for a couple of years. So it's that time of year where everything it's cold but it's not too bad here so this enjoying the time not on the ice right now. Well i gave you some homework for your first appearance on the podcast and it's At least those watching a game was watched some tape. It was and it was a good one at that. Where you and i are going to do the rewatch of chicago. La from the two thousand fourteen west finals game seven in particular. But i guess we'll start off here because this is a good kind of introduction point for us let's not it up with sort of the legacy of this game where or when when i pitched you this idea you're pretty fired up to do with me. what what is your your your memories of this this series this point of time in hockey. Where were you at personally sort of just like getting into dipping your toes into the water here with with this particular game series. What are sort of the lasting impressions and kind of the the where where you end of it. Personally like for me. Like i was just Finishing up my master's at quinnipiac I would. I would actually want him. Getting trained to buffalo from winnipeg like a month after this but this was the series is particularly interesting to me. Because i grew up big. La chains fan Not necessarily as. I'm from california which i'm not but Just their style of hockey that that big power for six three can do have a little bit of everything that can score claes block shots and elliott a lot of them. So i know just for me When house you know develop my developing my game at quinnipiac and just try to work to be a pro. I was just like this organization is like they probably had five or six players who were like perfect in terms of a player that i wanna be and So i always enjoy watching the kings whether it's the run twelve or One that we're talking about today in fourteen just at the heavy style of play Dominant methodical a hard play against you know where you down if we do. Go game seven Hopefully you know the hard nosed play would pay dividends in terms of wearing the other team down and you know they just keep going there. Machines so That's kind of the background. How i looked at it then and then just now it's Just just to watch a well oiled machine. Kings were on how they battled through different adversity Especially going against a team. Like the hawks challenge them speed wise and skill wise. It's it was really fun to go back and watch that game. Yeah i think you hit the nail on the head there. Particle makes this matchup sort of legendary or so aesthetically pleasing and kind of adds to the drama is those stylistic differences the kind of make the fight right where you see it captured so perfectly in this game where the kings pretty much. Every time i think. I i know they score ones off the rush but otherwise like you can tell that every single time. They're coming down with the puck. They wanna get it below the goal line and they'll throw the body and try to win back possession and keep it down there and kind of ground and pound and sort of Just not allow chicago to go. The other way with speed off the rush whereas the blackhawks are built entirely differently where they wanna get more into that track. Meet run and gun. And there's a few instances throughout the game and highlighted them. We'll talk about that more later. Where and it was because l. a. kind of had to score so they opened up a bit and you could see the game starts to slip away from them where she goes clearly favored in that in that environment in that setting and then they quickly got back in and that sort of speaks to how well oh the machine. They were that they were able to keep them sort of in their grasp for the most part and kind of make them play the game. They wanted to play. But it's so evident watching this. Just how stylistically different teams are. I'm sure their game plans. Were polar opposites in terms of you know before the game and during the meetings where the coaches are telling them what they want accomplish tonight. I imagined they were a complete one eighty each other. Yeah definitely i mean it's funny because you bring up just how you know. La wasn't really looking to do too much op garage. They get in. They worked there for tax. Which is makes it really. Tough for the demand especially for the more active demand on the blackhawks. Like you know or keith. Where they're going to wear them down with the four check. And i think on both sides i think both teams chose quality scoring chances over quantity obviously There were a couple weird angle weird bounce goals at chicago scored. But i think they both chose quality scoring chances. Just general is it just went about it in a different way chicago. You know they would do it. Kind of just generalizing saying like a russian stop but the mike patrick kane was easy for him to pull up and You know to gretzky fall for a better option or you know side doing the same thing and then you have. La where they're not necessarily pulling it up if they don't like off the rush they'll put it in on the goal line they'll be heavy on their d. and they'll just grind on you along the walls along the different boards and you know and when they had the opportunity strike or bring to the net they did so and they were just hard to play I think when. I think what's hard to play against and heavy hockey. I mean this this team you know for that you know really five six year span. I mean that's i think that's the example on kind of gold standard of the quote unquote heavy hockey. It was. I do think it kind of lead people astray a little bit in terms of trying to copy it and sort of replicated where it's easy to lose sight of the fact that while dr jeff carter certainly have big bodies. They'll sore incredibly gifted offensive players as well who can capitalize on those opportunities when they do get control the possession and so You know it's great to be able to play that good brand hockey but if you don't have the requisite skill to back it up and you're you're ultimately kind of one dimensional sort of not accomplishing what you're striving to do. Yeah definitely a guy. Like while i kings gray and i got to meet him during my time just within the organization in the american league but i mean he's a good example of a guy you know he fit you know he fit in that system and i mean and i never played in the nhl but like in terms of fitness key fit in that system. Where you know gets bounced around elsewhere and like doesn't really have a place the nhl right zoe. There's definitely you know there's a handful of guys that just fit perfect there and the ideals and a culture that they're looking for but not necessarily working with other teams so i i mean i definitely agree where you know. You see different gossip that have success and then you know it's not necessarily their other way because it's not conducive to their game. It's not as simple not as machine. Mike as as the kings were back and watching these games. I've done about ten or so. These reliable is now in for the most part. I think my success rate of picking quality games has been pretty good. I think with this one. It's clearly a classic in the sense of of all the drama. And all the storylines heading into whenever you you're picking a game and going back and re watching something from five six. Maybe even ten years ago this especially the nhl product has changed so much that. You're not sure how it's going to hold up over time and whether it's gonna look like an entirely different game than what we're used to these days and i think this one certainly help for the most part maybe just like from a quality perspective. It wasn't as good as i thought it was going to be. Just because of if like most of the goals were as you alluded to kind of like not random balances. Because that's what ocoee is all about. But there'd be just like balance all someone in his. Jonathan days will be wide. Open there for to happen. And you'd had that a couple times and it wasn't necessarily the super high end skill plays that you typically expect when you get to this stage in the postseason warrior in the west final. A game seven especially a game. Go to overtime. That kind of like attrition starts to to come into play. And i think we saw that in this one so the drama was certainly there in the stakes. Were there but there was a lot of throwing the puck around and hoping that it landed in the right spot for you to tap it in or kind of just especially if there was one one goal where patrick sharp coming off the rush and it just. It's a random ed spot in the ice and bounces jonathan quick pad. And you know certainly shooters shoot. Patrick sharp shoots a lot and when you do you're going to get the benefit of the dow like that but it's not one that i think when he's retelling. That story has grandkids. He's probably telling a different story than how it actually went in. Yeah it's funny like the game is definitely watching it This last week. It's definitely different than i remembered it. I what just watching you just kinda get lost in. Just how big the swings were the you know with l. a. constantly fighting back from behind and then just You know pull even and then you know that kind of goes to saying before about just you know physical and mental wear that they have on opposing teams. I also was taken back to Just you know as much as i love that brand of hockey and was that was essentially my game. Like how like you know it. It's funny like the few games that year. And i was just thinking like you know you can't even you can't play like that twenty twenty you know like and it's crazy. How much two games evolve. Since then and i. I mean i feel like i've experienced that my career like i've played that way in the game certainly certainly changed and i think if anything like you said like you know you see people trying to copycat that and you can't in. It's definitely losing proposition. I think what you do see it for sure. Is that no matter how skilled the game is. Or how fast the game is you need that obviously. La's maybe in. This instance was a more extreme example of that having like those heavy components. And obviously you already touched on a guy like cho petar Sprinkling ghabra actually forgot. Who was on a team that year. And and carter but you know. I think what we've seen in past coupla since then every day you you you do need that line that you know two three guys whether it's like tampa bay this year going out to a coleman goudreau that pocket you need some physical presence in some capacity to wear down the opponent both physically and mentally so. I think if anything that i learned is that maybe how kings did it can't be replicated but the need for that type of presence and that type of relentlessness is something that's need it for team day achieve the ultimate goal. Yeah i think it's part. I mean it's definitely by design like a. Wanted to play that way. I think they felt like they had to their their brand regardless of the opponent. But especially against this blackhawks team. They couldn't afford to to play into their hands and so it was interesting. Seeing that pushing were a couple of times you finally saw them just going back and forth and trading chances and you could tell they were kinda like out of their comfort zone and wanted to real back in and so kudos to them for accomplishing that but I'm going to set the scene here a little bit for our listeners. Just to kind of jog our memories in terms of what was going on here because the reason why we picked this game in this series. And why i think it is a classic is these two teams. Were sort of jockeying for western conference or maybe even nhl supremacy for those early twenty tens where they were kind of trading championships. They accounted for five of the six stanley cups. Twenty ten to two thousand fifteen. This was a rematch from the year. Prior where the blackhawks. One in five games in the west final ruth stanley cup but that was a much more closely contested series. Where chicago one in in double. Ot in game five to to finish that series really closely competitive and then so you have chicago now. Defending their championship. The stylistic differences we mentioned a game seven ot which is obviously always a crowd pleaser. And i think when. I was trying to teleport myself back in time to the kind of head space. We are in thinking about this series in sort of the the magnitude of it. It really reminded that felt like this was basically the stanley cup. You didn't want to discredit what. The rangers were accomplishing out east. But they were this team where they were just riding henrik lundqvist. They didn't have a single player was sixty point. Stats and i believe mats zuccarello lead them offensively with fifty nine points for the entire year and it felt like they were going to be overmach regardless of the opponent so you had just kind of going back into the fourth trading haymakers and it felt like a. You never want to overlook bone. And i'm sure. Have you talked to anyone in. Need those two rooms. They would have said we're purely doing. This is the final. We'll deal with rangers when we get there. But i'm sure it was kind of like minds that there's something bigger play here if we get i this opponent it'll probably be the test for us so the west final in theory kind of was for all the marbles and that's what made this series in this game feels like so much more dramatic than you would otherwise believe it to be a perfectly because it took me to rwasa game day even on my cou who do they even play. Finally doc said. The new york's waiting for whoever wins s. But if i near that i would have guessed a million different teams forty seven new york but yeah like the the stage was definitely as you said like you know. The power was in the west. Western conference was a lot straw. Unger these can do whatever then. You have the teams that you might. You really believe in an audience but you knew the path of astana compost going through. It really was a gauntlet. So yeah i. It really did feel like it was a stanley cup atmosphere. The momentum The pressure and i thought that i just felt like watching the players. Just the plays being made that you know. They knew that it was for for everything and like i said even watching it. I had to keep reminding myself that this wasn't a stanley cup. Final game with this is this is just to get there and that speaks to the dom into the organizations i mean you can you know those are probably the two best organizations of will maybe not the decade but definitely the first definitely the first part on dumb and it shows in an show just like also showed us how transition game was right because with different lockouts you see the style of play changing but you had to very conflict styles and both had shown success in the league were. I don't think that would necessarily be the case in twenty twenty. Absolutely all right. Well let's get into categories kinda lined up here in re watching this. What sort of stuck out to you as really aging the best and you can take that any direction you want just in terms of like now that we've had the benefit of six years or whatever now of hindsight what was kind of ahead of its time or what wound up being proven to be correct. Or what really stuck out to you as a leading the best here That's a tough question. I think when. I first saw the question. We're kind of going back and forth on just taking notes. Like patrick kane was his skill level and how he played was so ahead of the game and like i feel like the game has finally kind of caught up to his way of thinking and way of playing out there i mean he he really like he looks no different really today than he did back. Then suffer the way the game was played as different and you know how people played against them obviously are different but i mean watching him play like age extremely well and a he's us i feel like he kind of naked out of his time in terms of style of play. I think a lot of style place today probably has a lot to do with the younger players who were on a transcending the league Watching guy like can play. Yeah and it's funny. Because in sort of contrast to that i guess they kinda technically the worst by definition. But what age. The best for me was watching players. Were still around a look physically different in two thousand twenty aging stakes control whether it's dunkin key three even a drew doughty who's not necessarily that old. But because of the miles and sort of grueling nature of games like this is probably his his actual body sort of probably older than his age indicate the only look physically different east. Watch them in two thousand twenty in. Nhl games and they're still effective in different ways but like in this game. There's still sort of at the peak of their powers of flying around and jumping up on the rush and finding themselves in scoring positions in throwing big hits. And they're just playing a different brand of hockey than you'd you'd see from today so it was kind of a neat trip down memory lane to watch. Yeah guys like Doughty now i kind of jumped to me like you know not not wearing a letter. A guy like saw not having a letter like guys who are like leaders now proven and commodities like. They're you know. Daddy's gone for a second copy in in this game But you know you're completely right in terms of style of play. I mean games out a little bit more controlled now I mean sure that probably has to do with just the The type of competitive games that he's in now but just learning the game and learning just to preserve himself longer. But yeah. I think the the the names that you brought up definitely makes sense. Even a guy like the also stood out. Because i mean that's kind of unease in his team candidates and then you think now just kind of you know him getting in and out the lineup. A little bit. It's it's crazy. What difference really only six year has. No it is. And i think even in this game you can kind of see that us never never certainly the most fleet of foot player right like you would use kind of smarts and physicality and guile and had a big shot and they were utilizing it from the point on the power. Play in this game. But you could tell. I think there was one goal against. It was certainly an unlucky balance but he was like a step slow to react. And get there and i think at this point. He's twenty eight or twenty nine years old right on that edge and it was kind of a. I guess a warning sign of what was going to come down the road and and it's interesting i guess part of it has to do with sort of you know the loyalty in the good times and you want to reward the player for all the success. They've added organization but watching this game. It was kind of tough to believe that a year later you'd sign That player to the type of contract. The blackhawks eventually did yeah. It's funny even talking to someone like a lot of guys got reward or just now for that twenty pre twenty fifteen success and rightfully so. I mean the success that they had but you know from gm perspective. It's you know. I guess it's a really tough choice loyalty. Verse projecting futures a tough job. But i agree with what you're saying in terms of. It's hard to believe that amount of money was owed for someone who i guess is in the prime and deal science. Says he's going to be out of his prime. So i don't know maybe that's something we're analytics will gone helps with that type of stuff there because yeah it's it's it's definitely a difference. Okay i'll give you another what age the best here. The watching petar in tasty willingness in this game was really fascinating to me. I just. I don't know how you feel about it but i love that idea. We don't see as much of it in hockey because it is such a team game and you're kinda you know. A lot of the game is spent on the fly. You're jumping over the boards and it's really tough to sort of game plan like mono mono this guy's going to go up against this guy for the entirety of the game like you'd see an nba for example or they're guarding each other and you can really sort of test. Who's better but at this time there was a lot of conversation you know tasers in the conversation burs crosby. An coppola was kind of climbing into it as like. Who is that the clutch big center. That would want to build a team around. If you're trying to win a stanley cup. And they were just really getting after it in this series where they were playing exclusively almost against each other. I dug it up for your. I'm gonna drop some stats on you here. So in the seven games they played sixty six minutes total at five on five against each other during that time the shots were thirty to thirty two so completely even goals or only tuna walker. La and the high danger attempts were sixteen to fifteen for farrah and so basically played each other to withdraw. And i think that's why you saw kane inside kind of have freedom to create more offensively in similarily carter's line got a slightly easier badge up and they could create more had more freedom themselves. But you really saw i cope aren and just to go. I have at this point at the peak of their power is going head to head. And ultimately cancelling each other out. And i'm not sure if both teams should have gone that route. Maybe they should have tried to free up one or the other to not have the play against the and maybe have some easier minutes that they could produce more offensively but it was cool watching them play against each other. Definitely i mean. I think you want to see your best on best especially your one verse one. Because that's i mean that shows the true strengthener team if your top players can cancel alger secondary and you know. -ciary wave of scoring and depth. I actually thought you tavis probably had the the slight edge in game seven just in terms of just what he brought. That's funny watching that game too. I thought wildly tapes would make perfect los angeles king like yet one two to three shifts where he was just you know using his body. Were below the dots. Mendoza own unknown. Could get the puck off Willie mitchell and on a green lady on. And he's just kind of having way and it was. I was just thinking. Wow i like you had been an unreal king player during this time and would have fit right in. But i mean you can make an argument in. Everyone has that he's the he can play anywhere But i think obviously with the kings who've been great but yeah i. That bottle was phenomenal. I think that's what you wanna see. Think that's you know that's what you're gm. See your fans wanna see best on best. It's when i was prepping for the show and doing the research. I saw at the time. I was writing for sporting use and i wrote this article. I remember it was. It was controversial at the time. Got a lot of pushback because people just viewed tapes to be an entirely different tier just sort of the mainstream opinion. But i was a big believer that if co petar either played for market or was from a different country we think about them all differently and actually had this line in his big article. I wrote about it right wrote. We'd be kidding ourselves if we didn't acknowledge that onto qatar would be viewed differently. If were a named andrew. King from minnesota ontario mississauga ontario. Sorry and it's when we think back. I was comparing them and stacking them up and obviously tastes has the advantage of the extra stanley cup and one cons might to his name but otherwise like statistically they're they're very similar players and you could even argue that at the click of his powers. Petar had a slight advantage in terms of what he was able to accomplish with the pieces. He was given certainly didn't have the caliber of line. Athletes for me like oh tires my like favorite player in the nhl. Like i think his combination of strength and skill and vision and you spoke to it in terms of pieces that within the numbers that he's able to put up from organization that as ever will just say they struggled offensively for him to drive play as much. Easy does is is demanding. So i mean. I'm sure there is some sort of bias in terms of that. He made you know you always hear good good canadian boys or something like that. But copay star. I mean you know. I've had him as a top five player in the nhl overall what he brains for. I'm since then probably since twenty twelve. There's not a more consistent player. That i think you can rely on if you have seen him with different teams who might play a little. More open is numbers would be even better than the rb so putting up those numbers with a team that values you know puck possession and defense You before you know production. And that's why they had so much success and that's why obviously he became cotton because he bought into those not only was able to be responsible trusted but he also more to care business on the offensive side. Yeah it's funny you bring up. Sort of they. What they prioritize or what they valued because certainly add this kings team especially in twenty twelve where they took the league by storm after acquiring. Jeff carter but they were kind of the oj. I guess the red wings teams there like two thousand seven eight where like the the. Og puck possession teams when you think of the all time greats at five one five but this team was right up there in any measure you wanna look at at five on five terms of dictating play. Controlling shot share chances exposed and funny enough. This chicago team certainly was up there too. I think there were two of the top three or four or five on five teams that season. And i guess that age the best in terms of both the two of them showing that you could accomplish it in wildly different ways and also the value of just being dominant at five one five and having the puck on your stick at all times in the success. These two organizations had a kind of prioritizing that in their game deal expression this moral some way to skin academy. I think both teams and probably give the edge to la for this. I mean they really. I mean they built very well through the draft and then they added the handle at the same thing with the blackhawks. But i think they did a good job of just making the most that know. They had a vision. The king's vision to play the puck possession and then the blackhawks had skipped l. with they had their bigger guys or stronger dies but i think is good that both coaches and organizations on the same page of that because i think a lot of teams you might draft certain type of player. But maybe the coach doesn't do it the way that's conducive. They really stuck to a plan. And i think that's why both organizations had success because you could see the cohesion. It showed up on the ice between you know the scouts and gm and the coaches and the players. What's expected and i think that's why we work. Well together known. No one looked out a place out there in terms of how they should play or how they were expected to play. And i think just playing in the american league system for kings is no different there. I mean it was so easy to play because you knew what was expected. You know exactly where it should be. And if a puck goes to where you should be. It's new at the person's fault past puck the person at your fault for not being where he should be and not having that predictable field. So i think I think both organizations did that to. I think the organizations are successful. Do that. I mean dallas who and tampa bay a made it. You know to the cup this year again through the draft and it worked. It's all the way up from american league. The success that they've had their that starts with the vision from the scouts in the front office. And then it takes a head coach and everyone a by execute. But i mean i think you see a lot of that you know. The kings had their success in their american league team. Add success and all those guys filter and you saw that in this year's cop as well i think it all matters. I think it all brings things together. I'll give you one final. What age the best in the one move on from this. Category no controversies. Sometimes you think of these big games new taint. It's tainted by a horrible call. Were view especially in two thousand twenty where we're having so many conversations about you know challenging offsides and goaltender interference and not knowing what's what they're they reviewed one one time with the jeff carter high stake and it was quickly ruled a good goal and i think they got the right call but there were no like there was some penalties and certainly getting brennan saw saad had wind where it was kind of a questionable makeup car where there was a week slash that they probably go buy for. The most part in this game was control. The outcome was determined by the better team ultimately winning and persevering. And there wasn't sort of that. Caveat of oh. This one call had gone differently. Would result have been different because we didn't really have any of that. 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It's kind of mixing it up and trying to get it and in jonathan quick space and the running to defenseman at the point and they're like catering a lot of their looks towards teeing up either seabrook or key one timers and at one point they have an extended five on three for about forty to fifty seconds or so and they don't even get a shot off during that time and for all the skill. This team had an all of the sort of offensive pieces that they had. It was strange to me. And certainly it as the worst because in two thousand twenty. Whenever i'm watching a game. And i see a team run to defenseman on their power play. One always kind of raise my elven. Because it's so outdated at this point and i Pretty much every team is exclusively running. Four forwards and this team certainly wasn't devoid of for deserving forwards. Right out there and sure enough. You see later on patrick. Sharp scores set up by brandon. Saad on their power play to unit and it was just. That was a bit of an eyebrow. Raise to me where i feel like. They didn't maximize their opportunities in that regard. Because i guess maybe in two thousand fourteen. I'd have to go back and look at it but that was just the way they were operating. They're prioritizing those looks in over the past six years we've learned that it's probably not the most efficient way to run your powerful a point. I remember seeing that. I didn't. I don't think i thought of it as you know. Block white as there's two events out there but yet that was definitely weird f- to see not that i mean on some of the We kind of we kind of already talked about it. But just some of the I guess the players that you that would make a guy like seabrook and you know he back the ad you know enduring these games compared to two now like i like how you kind of talked about like you can kind of see you can kind of see where like the holes were where they were going to be Yeah that's something that. I guess i just kinda kept circling back to and i'm not sure if it's because of just the dialogue that came out of there this year and So obviously more sensitive to it. But i think he was deficit on that i got my on and even even like Like saad Watching him play with cain it just seemed like hardly as best hockey in dighton on him. i think that's probably more of a praise patrick. And now he's able to elevate his level like you had a lot of lot ice out there with saad and Shaw and just way elevated elevated. Those guys i mean it really look like a guy like had a completely different gear yet. Oh what age the words for me. Every single time chicago has traded brandon. Saad and we'll we'll run through those three Transactions at a second here but at this time he's twenty one years old and for by money he was the best player on the ice in this game. Certainly like. I can't believe i can't believe i understand. I understand there's cap and all that stuff It's funny because just watching like the world series. They kept saying who trades. Mookie batson hawksley sods not at that level right. You know you find a way to keep a guy like that you just he just did i use so good so does seem common goal. Come and go you know. That definitely is in two before. Like i would like to find a way to keep that. Yeah if obviously it helps with canes demanding so much extra attention it's creating extra space for on the ice so that helps but if he was creating something anytime he goes out there in this game had the bowl Five shot attempts shots were eleven was energy or actual play like he was a very all around really good player. I mean it felt like honestly. The puck bounced on him a couple of times. I feel like under better ice conditions. You might have a couple more times. But so yeah. He's playing on his entry level. Deal at this point. Twenty one years old. As i mentioned a year later they wind up moving. But so these are the three times. Chicago's traded brandon saad. So in the summer of two thousand fifteen. They traded him for artem anisimov. 'cause they didn't wanna pay him on his next deal and then two years later in the summer of twenty seventeen they trade are tammy perrin for him because pinera has a year left on his deal and they're kind of regret avoiding having to deal with him as a free agent the following year and then this summer they trade him nikitas zohrab. And i bet you he's going to look mighty good on a on colorado playing top six and i guess listen like you watch this game. If you told me the brandon saad just purely from watching this game. If you didn't know otherwise told me he was going to be one of the five best players in the league and be a complete superstars. I believe you without knowing anything else. Based on how good he looked. So i guess it's disappointing that his career and has has turned out to be the sort of game changing impact player that he was in this one but Still still a heck of a hickory are obviously scored thirty goals in columbus. Want a couple cops still has some good years ahead of them but yeah it was. It was kind of jarring to see. Just how impactful. He wasn't this one. Yeah for sure it just got up and it has nothing to do with the game but just when you go big picture you're looking at it from twenty twenty. It's like now is he's. He's been given away twice now. Cluny a couple of ways. I can go this one. I guess a quick one the amount of dumping and jc. I don't mean to insult you after all we've talked about with how you you like the king style and the way they played and certainly i admit they was bhai design and they had to play this way against ago and this is what made unsuccessful but just watching. It was like every time they had entered the zone. You'd be like okay. Here comes the dumping to the to the point. Where older game that watch. This wasn't new. It was interesting to watch. Because there's one point. I would like about a minute left in the game. In regulation dustin brown's coming in off the right wing and you can almost each cargoes defense like relax a little bit. Because they feel like they can sack back because he's gonna dump it in and instead he just keeps the puck and goes in and almost wins the game there because they sort of gave him that extra room and i honestly just watching it. It certainly looks like they were just fully expecting the dump and based on their mo. Any sort of pulo switcheroo in and took advantage of it. But that's that's the sort of extreme and the extent to how often they were dumping in chicago was fully expecting together there. Sometimes it just didn't make sense like why would you dumped it. They're like it's like going back to like a it makes sense of what they did. Never bought in like you know. Maybe you know your chances of scoring out the russia. If you're you know that epa player dwight king or something like that. Probably very low i mean. Can you make that slot line pass. Are you gonna pick a carter. The chances are against you but you know so you give up that opportunity. Put it in the corner. duncan keith. On the ice. So now you're getting a body check on him. You're wearing him down. The game goes. Ot all those little things those little incremental things make a difference and that's something. I love like analytics data at something that you can't really take an account for that feeling of knowing that you know you're you're gonna get hit or you cheating the sag and having a out loose gap because you just want to get the puck orcas can so you can get the puck off his stick as quickly as you can whole adds up and you can see it on the ice. Obviously none of us were in the game. But i'm sure those guys. Those third line is are pretty much. Everyone was willing to the body but they they probably could see it in there is at. It was frustrating. That it's a lot. So i mean it was definitely i would. I don't know so many dumps 'cause you would just it's just uncomfortable. I would say to see twenty twenty but but then when you just put yourself in the context of what the kings were doing than just the war attrition. that's gone on their events that makes more sense. Yeah and there was one time where waking literally entered the offensive zone unimpeded and it was just inside the blue line and just dumped it in anyways does just like what is this. Be like soft chipped it to himself. Obviously he was gonna get. Yes yes like. He's just hoping to get contact. I know he's like this gonna go through my body in that corner there and got to kill forty seconds off the clock here and see if we can want dry. Look guy an e eight minutes. I mean he played. He's playing top nine now. He's not top go is but he knows how to hold onto pocketing an e possession. Time in i think he's probably a top six player in that respect on the kings for his career. There was a wisconsin watchable moment. Here was there beyond just obviously saying like okay. You should if only watchos apart of this game watched the five minutes of ot or whatever because it actually was entertaining but was there any other points in the game. Sort of inflection. Points where you are particularly kind of ribbit or or Finding yourself really being sucked into it if someone was alison. I'm not going to sit down. Because i'm not a huge nerd in watch two and a half hours worth of this game. Are there certain regions kind of telling them to go into I actually kinda liked the first ten minutes in the reason. Why is because it would probably set you up to continue watching right. Yeah i thought the kings were playing. The i thought the blackhawks were loose in the kings. Were out planning on the i ten minutes but they were. They were down two goals in the way that the way that the goals went in. Were a bit deflating. Right if i think what of almost like that weird balance off patrick. Kane's pants to someone back door. You had mentioned the the sharp goal. But you know. I i like when i re watched us i. I kind of forgot that the kings came back on this. Not because it's just like you know you're doing what you're supposed to do you're on the road. Chicago fans are losing their mind. You're down to nothing you know. You have to look at the details where he is quick. Shakey's even there. Obviously there are some bad bounces but you don't know what that does to team so it's like i looked at that i kings are gonna come back when this in overtime were the it could have been done playing against you know dicicco blackhawks who've already went to cops games have been at home and they're already up to nothing at the. I found. That intriguing is probably because i knew the outcome right but really watching it. I was just like power How they how the kings get out of this because their goal scores so to nothing's not the deficit that you really want That's that's kind of that. Was i really enjoyed that. Yeah yeah it was interesting seeing how they got there i think there were three goals in a Basically sixty seconds span of game time there late in the first I would i would say the start of the third is a bit of a slog like there's just nothing happening for seven or eight minutes and considering chicago is up. I think they were happy with that way. Then like i mentioned earlier. I think it's around the twelve minute mark. Where we're told minutes left in the third period you can see that. La sorta goes alright. We can't just keep milking clock here because we're gonna lose. We need to score and so they opened up a bit. And there's like four or five odd man rushes trader back and forth and a couple of big saves a couple of close calls. And that's when the game really starts to open up and then after elliott ties it I was really impressed to see how. 'bout chicago's a win for it You know with about six minutes left or so. It was a tie game at four. And they were creating some some serious pressure there and nearly wanted at the buzzer. I kind of forgot like quick makes us remarkable sort of toe. Save right at the goal line so they certainly. These weren't teams there. Were sort of just taking it for granted and kind of waiting to to get to the locker room and wait for overtime like this easily could have ended in regulation. I love seeing that sort of motivation to not. Just take those last couple of seconds or a couple of minutes for granted. Yeah i mean who knows but you can make an argument that push to kaga. It's like they knew that like this is probably their best opportunity. Obviously everything's best opportunity when it but the kings in game seven. They're not going to give you an inch. You got mr game seven across the way And i that push like it was definitely noticeable. They're going on all cylinders. You had like versteegthe getting that much ice time before. Like he's getting more is time getting in volvo offensively and they i mean they opened it up even more and it. Kind of la was a not taken off guard but was unable to match the speed. It's like you know you know you're going to be in a long play offs. Maybe you're not going. You know complete octopus at top speed. And they're like all right. Let's take the top off of this like let's let's end this now because you know you're gonna give if you don l. a.'s. Going to get a fresh twenty minutes and they're going to do what they do and that's where kind of brought up a couple of times that's where the wear and tear and just mental physical grind. That playing that kings team will do to. You will take effect. Yup yup definitely all right biggest egypt performance. And you're not allowed to say. Patrick a good here. Because he's obviously a superstar can't say go petar. Is there someone who kind of an adept role or someone just watching this not knowing knowing the result but not knowing how they got there that really stuck out to you as like popping off the page of that was a better performance than i remembered. Not sir i mean. I i so jerrod stole. Obviously he missed time right. He started the game. He is out for a bit and I kind of forgot the minutes that he's playing for this team and I think so it kind of reminded me just how like versatile of a player was and obviously like you know he's you know he's the big body in front of goal for the for the game winner but i mean yeah i just i. I just forgot because there's a lot of players that are very similar. I just kind of forgot. All about jared stolen his impact on the team and just the greatest To come back. So i thought you know in in its game seven and obviously meant something to him but you know battling what he's battling combat i can have the impact he did. I thought that was that was great. And then like i said i did forget. Gabric was on the team to But that was just marvel- goal thing than a overall play use such a hockey guy highlighting jared stolz greediness. What's county that's funny. I obviously the obvious answers brandon. Saad right like just just how good list. But yeah. I mean. He was playing on basically. That's the purpose of top line Edrich sharp was interesting to me here. Because the way i remembered it was he was playing with teams in hosa and he had a great year. And you look at the numbers. He scored like nearly forty goals. But at this point in the season. I don't know if it was because he was struggling offensively or because they had that taste match up so i think when bill might have wanted to load up with a more physicality so they could deal with copay tar and brown But the add. Brian beco- playing on the top line. There with days in hosa and patrick sharp was relegated to third line. Duty with markets krueger and ben smith but he was kind of. I don't know if you. I don't know if there's sort of wake up. Call that he needed or or or what have you. But he was us flying out there and creating a lot and he scored two goals just because you know by the by the definition of kind of paycheck performance for for less heralded guy Know third-liner for them in this game essentially came up with two goals. So i think patrick sheriff's before sure is still getting work on the on the party i i was just like you still getting work on the power. Play right utilizing your shot that i that kind of run over quick spat right. That was him right. That wasn't he's right so yeah and he had to slap slapshot on the power play. So i mean i. I think that was more like a surprise for that thick it said like that might have been as fourth and fifth. Goal the playoffs which you would think you would have a lot more. So yeah i mean i guess from his production from so far in the playoffs he produced while but it. It was a good bouncing and then all credit from poplar shock. That's the clutch shot that the team needed at the time But yeah i guess looking back. I was definitely a new bickel played with that top line. I just i forgot that it was at this juncture of his career. 'cause this is kind of you know. I guess you could also say like you know in terms of breakout performances. Like this part of that street that bickel very highly attracted attractive to a lot of other teams in a league where he really just kind of fit in in chicago with those type of players. Well i mean he was buying this top on. I think it was twenty thirteen up when he he scored like nine goals or something and then yeah and then he got paid sixteen million and and unfortunately you like when you what age the words in terms of how can we talk about this seabrook's or those loyalty contracts and how that's where teams kinda get themselves into trouble a little bit like chicago that in the last year of that deal basically add to attach twenty nine to give them the carolina just to allow that to happen because they were so up against the cap. And yeah so when you're when you're giving up guys like terrifying or given up. They have to give up. Philip philip dano at some point as well who has thrived montreal. And that's why if you're teacher go. You're looking back five years later and you're like oh well this is. Maybe why we've failed to the sort of regenerator a second or third round here while we still have cain tapes and keith because we gave up a lot of young talent because we just couldn't afford them deathly three cups to show for it so hard to hard to. It's i don't know how you being a national hockey is tough job. cottie sustained. Yeah well that. That's why i mean like nick. Lead in this game Wildly overqualified for the role. He was playing. I think he played twelve minutes or so on this one and you could tell like a supremely gifted with escaping and his and his offensive skills but he entrust them and you know maybe deservedly so because unfortunately out there for the game game winning goal against the kind of bounced off unfortunately and he can really get good position out front but yeah he was another casualty for them so it is what it is. Yeah you're right when you achieve the ultimate goal of winning the stanley cup except argue but you pay all right most unanswerable questions. Here's one for you. The columbus blue jackets get rings for l. a.'s. Twenty twelve in two thousand fourteen cops after they gift wrap jeff carter and marian gaborik for them Yes and no i mean. I'm sure i mean that's a really good question That fits yet answer apart. I mean obviously It had to change for jeff in columbus wasn't workout during a short time there so as much it was a gift wrapped in columbus has been. I feel like they've always made decisive. Moons in that was one of them and obviously the return wasn't there but they did what they had to do for the club. But i remember seeing that trade like saying wow they can acquired a better player that's gonna fit into their system like overall and i remember looking. I think maybe on came out with the story. Share just looking back at the trader or something like that and you know whether it was gonna work out or not. But i mean he's he. It's been great. So i mean i i guess they should get coverings for that. Yeah i mean this is being desai's is one thing they gave up for a jake and katrina for thirty nine games them and then quickly quickly pull the pull the pull the shoot and got jack johnson interject for a and and you you mentioned the gabric when you forgot He was on this team like he. was very clutch for them. I think he he led them in goalscoring Fourteen gold or something. He wasn't that obvious in this game. I remember the time he really provided them with this kind of antics goals. Yes little bursts. Exactly the only guy is going to be pulling pulling got asked. I mean that's always scored a goal. Just you know the one thing. He can do escape. So i i remember being. I remember being during this. This run Often associated with with gaborik and kind of his style of play and this is pedigree but obviously he was more than there for this. You made a contribution. Here's one final question. Or maybe it is answerable. Because i'm gonna pose it to you and hopefully you can answer but This idea of referee even calls. And i alluded to earlier with the sod slash gun second period. It was after chicago. God a five on three and they didn't capitalize and then you kind of knew just with the flow of the game that next sort of remotely questionable thing. They did the referees. We're going to try to get la back in in their books are kinda even it out and like as a player. How do you sort of Like deal that kind of remind center at all or are you kind of aware of it because it certainly feels like just like an observer watching these games that you can tell like when that titus shifting and win a teams getting a lot of calls and they haven't been capitalizing on them like dogs is do for our plays. Yeah as a player definitely aware of him. Coach will say it to. I mean if you start off and you had three powerplays in. I go in intermission coaches saying like you know the next one's probably coming us like you know we deserve because even if even if there were three definite entities like you know you. You're are on the man advantage for six minutes so they're probably gonna call you tighter because had enough. It's like a natural thing. So i think you're definitely aware of and i don't think enough. I don't think it affects player. Like even if a player complains or says anything thousand makeup call like you know. It's kind of heat of the moment type thing but i it like you said i think it's i think you said it's it's to be expected that they're going to try to keep the game as even as possible thrust into game like this but both teams are competing. Nothing egregious in terms of penalties. Like no no nothing dangerous. So i think they also give some leeway in terms of the calls that can be made or your thoughts. Generally on the on the organ dominated. Commentary corner here the link that i send you the we watch this on. It's available on youtube share with the listener so they can watch themselves. But it's the cbc call with With bob dole on it. How do you feel about the quality of the broadcast in terms of because sometimes they can really feel outdated just because you know the the final product of how you present stuff on. Tv as changed so much over the past. How many years. How do you feel about this in terms of just like them narrating what was happening capturing the drama the moment like eating. They did a good job. I think they did a phenomenal job. and i remember 'cause just from the notes that you sent me just to talk about this i'm not sure if it was Just because it's you know. Covert ed and we just had santa cup with no fans or anything and obviously that adds to it. But i just. I mean i've seen this before and it's fourteen not fourteen years ago but Six years ago. I know the outcome but that this is probably as engaged as i was all summer. Her watching Just from the energy that was in the building and then the way they were telling you thought they did a great job of just you staging staging the whole thing in in the game really did it self. I mean you know. Elena omni lead you know for for most of the game and The back and forth two thousand play at thought that they hit on that really well highlighting those big players that you wanna see You know it's something all talk matt loud. It's definitely something that i think Just dealing with this last playoffs last year Just have the fans in the building. 'cause i just i. Ibm i remember watching it. This one adding a little goosebumps in the moment knowing what's going to happen knowing this like i said six years ago but you can feel the energy without the to really good job of just that he had the crowds. Good you got charles barkley in attendance wearing jerseys. Got a lot of screen on hottest breakthroughs weird. Like the only thing that i thought from a broadcast point that a good job of like you're right just letting the game come to them. It was certainly set up perfectly. Where like the drama was already built in this morning. An between plays i. I like that. I certainly thought they brought something there. But the one thing that's out to me was it was weird. This is where it felt a bit dated. There was like no shot counter. There were no like graphics of like showing chances or shot locations or anything. That's stopped that. I've certainly gotten used to a maybe started to take for granted a little bit. Twenty twenty the kind of adds to the statistical sorta storytelling of getting a feel for like who's dominating or who's playing well. There's like a bare bones. I guess that was sort of the norm for two thousand fourteen where they were just basically showing the action and there was nothing popping up on the screen it was just purely what was happening and again i mean that's a good point but i i don't think there's anything wrong with it because like you know just going back to this year with with no fans in the stands like those graphics and stuff mattered so much right because you need something to fill the time i i just thought the production in general where you have you know. The fans losing their minds and panning. Whether it's charles barkley or another start discussing. they're like. I thought that really just from a viewing perspective. If you're not there like i'd rather kind of get the view of everything and get that atmosphere from how they did it versus just looking at the different stats that they can put that. They often put on now. That you know just because it just because like you said like a shot. Connor like i think you and i both know that doesn't really talk about the game or well. I think i think can can is playing. You can ask certainly add it to the screen without interfering with the product right but yeah like In this particular game. I did miss it but it just kinda stuck out to me as a being different from what i'm used to recently. Who won the game. Let's let's ended on here like just now that you watch you watch the. It's fresh in your mind. The euro whether it's like a lasting legacy or whether it is the most impactful performance what what stuck out there as like the ultimate sort of beneficiary of the of the final result of this one in terms of like a player like a big picture perspective. It could be anything to be. Honest like in terms. Of this gameboy like like who like coming out of it who Who or what sort of one won the game. Who benefited the most from. I think jeff. Carter i liked. I liked his game. Obviously he's able to contribute. I thought he pops in a lot of different places and you know obviously fits well in the system but considering the the backdrop that we had in terms of just columbus and you know how they traded forearm and just obvious was willing to just say like. We made a huge mistake that for him the kind of had a successful he had. They're moving forward. I thought i thought that was probably very just prove people wrong him. Because i mean he's been a world class player so for that to happen to a guys representing his country especially when it's canada's a wild to think that something like that this had happened but he did it. was a key contributor. Why i included him. I thought like the winner was the that seventies line because i thought they were kind of viral sensation at this point right like they sort of took the league by storm. Everyone's talking about iran is creating memes about them. And you know. Carter was sort of the figurehead. They're kind kinda like really tired. The foley's always looked younger than he is but he like especially clean cut in this one where he doesn't alec a single facial hair looks like he's like yours looks young no he looks like someone who won some sort of a draw to get to play with jeff carter and jeff carter's just chauffeur them around and and you know tanner pearson's out there and they dominated throughout this postseason but especially in this game they they created the two goals. Jeff carter really got them back into your mentioning earlier. Fearsome is really good but you mentioned earlier like when they when ellie went down to nothing. You're thinking how are they going to create enough offense to get back into this and l. a. and jakarta just kinda willed one into the net there with like this rush after a block shot and they were awesome. It's interesting you mentioned carter. Because i don't think he was at his physical peak by any means. I think early on in philadelphia when he scored forty six goals in ohio. Nine like that's when as a goal scorer he was at his best but just in terms of like putting it all together and being the complete package. I thought he was unreal. Command of the of the game as you alluded to in this one and you know kudos to him. I remember when he signed that eleven year dealer whatever he signed with with when he went to columbus like i guess he signed it with philly before they traded on. But i i remember thinking like there's absolutely no way that jeff carter's playing by the end of his deal and sure enough. He's only got two years left on it and is still a potting twenty goals. A season and still is a useful contributor in nhl level. So it's you know he certainly proven me wrong. Because i if he told me that ten years ago i would not have believed you All right well. I think that's going to do it. It's going to be a for this one. I think we we cover the games. Certainly recommend watching it to to our listeners. Enjoyed the The experience of going back and reliving these glories deaf plan. Think if you if you wanna see. Just the competitiveness hockey. I think this this is if you just enjoy it. Exudes joy just watching the game and being appreciate just how it's transition. I think this is a really good game to watch. Because you have to on trusting styles But you can still see different players and philosophies that you still see In today's game so from that perspective. I think it's a lot of fun But you can see how dominant kings are though. They were a bit extreme in how they played their lesson style. But just seeing what. A complete cohesive unit. Looks like and. I think that's that's what the kings were doing their runs for the cops. Yeah yeah. I highly recommended as well as it lived up to the high lived up to the lasting memories. I had of it and i would recommend watching it so all right. This is going to be at for the latest ray. Watchable jordan was a blast right. I'm glad we finally after months and months and months of texting back and forth trying to make this effort. We finally did it so hopefully it wasn't. It wasn't too painful and hopefully we'll be able to get you back on down the road. Great thanks for having me after we finished recording I was thinking back to the conversation. That jordan samuel. Thomas and a hat and and i realized that we probably didn't give justin williams enough credit love for his performance in this game and i couldn't and this show without doing so because it was a game seven and he is mr game seven and his performance in this one was exactly as great as you'd expect and i wanted to give them a little bit of love for it before we got here so he had the goal. He helped set up the game winner by alec martinez with a very justin williams ask wasn't flashy moved. But he retrieved the puck after dumping one Battle against the boards. Got it out to the point and the rest was history. So it is a very classic. Justin williams performance started off slowly. Started off this game. On the depth chart worked his way out wound up playing some really important minutes down the stretch and put his imprint on the game and lived up to the nicknames. Through game seven. He ended his career with needed. One record and game sevens An nhl record seven goals in those games fifteen points. He got the conn. Smythe at the end of this postseason. Three stanley cup rings a true legend one of the early analytics goats and Yeah i just wanted to give them a little bit of so before we get out of here Hopefully you enjoyed today's episode the rituals if there is any future games you'd like for us to cover We're still going to have some time here before we have actual new live games to discuss. Oh plenty of opportunity to get creative and have fun and relive some old classics. Oh certainly feel free. 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Caste Arrives In Silicon Valley

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Caste Arrives In Silicon Valley

"This, is plant many from NPR? And Welcome to planet money. I'm Nick Fountain Today we're. GonNa play part of an episode of one of my favorite podcasts. It's called rough translation. It's hosted by Gregory. Warner. I'm sure you've heard him on planet money before and the show we've adapted today is one they did recently about how some of the most powerful tech companies in the US or reckoning with discrimination. It's a form of discrimination I had not heard of before in. America. Here's Greg. When same Cornelius I arrived to the United States in the mid nineties he was surprised by how welcoming people were. The people were so encouraging, you know we're going to this swimming classes. You want to join us and things like that. They ask them questions but his home country India but even more surprising was the questions they did not ask for instance, they did not try to know what his cast was or even what cast is. And how did that feel for you like putting aside cast That is really great. Feeling that yes. Now everything will be just by exactly what I deserved. Sam is from the Dalit caste formerly known as untouchables, and you may know this already but the caste system in South Asia goes back thousands of years based on an ancient division of labor and also purity. So there is a Castro priests that's the Brahmins. A cast for the Warriors, the Casper merchants in other castes for manual. Labor's Dalits were sewer cleaners, the garbage collectors, and in India, growing up Sam was always reminded of his association with the Unclean. In the way the teachers treated him at school and the jokes people eight about cast. New always wondered what kind of person he might be if he did not have a label off if he was just Sam no cast attached and it seemed like he'd finally found that person. That knew Sam in the United States. It was doing so many activities and feeling. So confident. And feeling that my real potential is coming out. After that first trip to the United States, he took another one and another after that always here's a company employee and a work visa never citizen and as more south, Asians came to work in tech jobs. He had more Indian CO workers and managers. And you notice they were trying to suss out his cast that is famous. Pat On the back usually means via white read our around their shoulders. They patted his shoulders to see if he was wearing a white thread that only brahmins where. You'll not even knowing they will try to your shoulder and try to see. Defining this. was he a like them other ways they will call you him. Hey. Let's go swim because nobody takes their shut off and all who are very intense or not. Years ago these invitations to go swimming with American friends and neighbors were sign of acceptance. But now the same invitations fellow Indians felt like a trap to out him as Daulat and the consequences of being outed. Well, that is what our episode is about. Because some people think that naming peoples cast is the way forward to a fair world while SAM is so afraid he'll be sacked and sent back to India for speaking out. What this interview East decided if he's GONNA speak out publicly on this topic, he's adopting a pseudonym. I am Sopko lineas of course, that is my Elliot's. This is rough translation from NPR Gregory Warner with story about how an ancient hierarchy that we usually associate with India. Indian managing has been imported to work places in the United States. Might cast was a he wanted to dominate me as much as possible landed rough translation back after this break. This message comes from NPR sponsor, FM Global Your Commercial Property Insurance Partners at FM global have a different approach to keeping your business resilient because in the business world resilience is being redefined today resilience means navigating business risk and individual complexities to make sure nothing can stop your business from forward with FM global as your commercial property insurance partner resilience is a choice make your business more resilient at FM. Global. Dot. com. I'm Rodney Carmichael I'm sending. On our new PODCAST, louder than a riot, we traced the collision of rhyme. Punishment in America. We will hunt Bapley, we were literally physically stand on the corner draw squad Pulo, everybody? Knew. From NPR music. Listen to loud isn't a right? We are back with rough translation from NPR I'm Gregory. Warner. We started talking about cast with Lauren, Freyer out. This is Lauren. NPR's Indycar spendint who started thinking about cast and race in part because of an initiative NPR to track the diversity of our sources this is something we all know do including this podcast. We will note how many women were putting on the air, how many people of Color and other demographic stats I see my company trying to better represent America with the voices we put on the air and I'm looking at my own sourcing and I get too much credit. Every voice I bring to the airwaves from India as a person of color, check the box. Diversity from my boss' point of view but I'm looking at different types of diversity in India and thinking. CAST. There is no uncontroversial way to talk about cast and even the words we use are fraught. So you're going to hear people in this story talk about upper caste and lower caste. We're going to try to those higher keys and say dominant cast at a press caste oppression is a strong term, but it definitely applies here this is oppression that's gone back centuries it was really amplified by the British so. British colonists came in and gave Brahmins more privileges, elevated them and exploited this power differential between the BRAHMINS and other castes and so when Indians won their independence in nineteen, forty seven, they wrote a constitution that acknowledges that oppression and lays out bold measures to try to fix it affirmative action programs to place dollars in government jobs to place dollars and top universities, and all of that exists in India still today. But despite all of this dollars in India face so much violence disproportionate violence dot women are raped more than women of other Castes Dalit men get lynched for falling in love with a dominant caste woman Laura. Knew she wanted to find out peoples cast to make sure she was hearing from a variety of voices including people who don't always get access to speak. But this brought a new problem. How do you find out someone's cast? So that is a good caution. How does one person? No, you are cast right? It is not like you have a color which should give away your identity. Same Cornelia says, sometimes, it's easy. You just read someone's cast by their surname of names you cannot hide and how about your real surname is it easy to hide? Yeah. My real name doesn't give him my cost us a game that is immediately then listening they will ask me whole William come from which part of the state you come from. There had to ask a follow up question. If, you can't tell by surname you can ask about someone's neighborhood are also trying to clever I come from Hyderabad. Delaware I'm from Hyderabad, it's the city of nine million people all casts are there. So that's the people are not satisfied if. named. So what they do is no, no. No. I'm not talking about with city you come from. Watch your parents which RELIG- The they came from same keeps dodging the real question. My parents used to stay in Bombay. So I. Actually, before that, my father used to complain West so he was in daily. Just keep naming cities. Because that is the facts also. Launched that I'm playing around to the. Fan doesn't WANNA reveal his cast because most of his Indian coworkers or from dominant castes in fact, the overwhelming majority of South Asians in America from dominant castes. They're often the ones with the resources and access to get here. The other portion usually people ask is already which Teigen because brandon. Saad Vegetarians When if you say, yes, I am a vegetarian. If you are an Indian Aston and Indian to find a cost would say. Which stadium by Birth Thought Choice Okay and the tricky thing about this is that a CO worker could be overhearing this entire conversation. It's still have no clue what they're really talking about your. They will not even the people were very active about this in always discrimination and all they might have not heard about cost at all. After the break something happens that will have Sam and a lot of people in America talking with surprising candour about cast. Big Population, likes his Co. plus. Most like for nearside heard quite some time. That's when rough translation returns. Billie holiday helped shape American music with her voice and unique style but her like extends way beyond music with one song in particular how strange fruit became an unexpected hit and brought on serious consequences for Billie holiday. Listen. Now to the through line podcast from NPR we're back with rough translation of Warner and today we're talking about cast and not just cast in India but. The caste system has been imported to corporate America. So earlier, this summer, a lawsuit was filed by the California Department of Fair Employment and housing on behalf of an engineer at Cisco Systems. That's one of the largest makers of computer networking equipment. They've got offices around the world. They also hire a lot of Indians on H. One B. visas to come to the US. And like a lot of tech companies now they have some teams that are all Indian employees. This lawsuit focuses on a team like that at Cisco Headquarters. In San Jose California an engineer on that team alleges that two of his supervisors were from castes discriminated against him because they knew he was from an oppressed caste and what's his name by the way We don't know his name in the lawsuit he is listed as John Doe. So John Doe, the alleged victim says that when he confronted his superiors about this, he faced retaliation and his superiors isolated him from colleagues gave him assignments that were impossible to complete in the time given some basically tried to push John Doe out of the company. So what does he do? What are? You told to do when you suspect your victim of discrimination you go to your hr department and that's what he does in November two, thousand sixteen, and this is where things get interesting and again, what we know here is just completely according to the Lawsuit Cisco. Has Not commented publicly on the details of this case, there's been no trial there are no witness statements made public. But according to the lawsuit, John Does case is handled by CISCO HR REP name Brenda Davis and Davis investigates she gets a confession from one of John DOE supervisors. This guy went to university with John Doe Back in India twenty years ago and now the supervisor tells the whole work team John Does cast allegedly the supervisor confesses to revealing information that outed the engineer as a dollar. Now, Brennan Davis has to decide if this is discrimination. We've asked to talk with her or with someone else from Cisco's, HR Department they did not make anyone available. What is public is CISCO'S ANTIDISCRIMINATION policy. Decisions are made without regard to gender race color, citizenship, religion, age physical, or mental ability medical condition. This is employee manual I'm reading genetic information pregnancy, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender, expression, veteran status, national origin ancestry. But not cast no maybe caste discrimination could fall under the term of ancestry but CISCO'S HR department did not read it that way they closed the investigation. No discrimination here. But then the engineer goes to the State California and the state argues that this was a violation of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen, sixty four, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of race color sex religion or national origin, and the State of California or rather specifically the California Department of Fair Employment and housing takes up the case and they say US laws against discrimination do apply to cast, and even though this case is in its early stages, it may take years to resolve and. But just the fact that this lawsuit is out there and that there might be some American legal response to cast them. It's made a lot more people in the US speak out. Okay. Let's go about cast good morning, good afternoon and good evening for those that are joining us in India this is a virtual town hall town hall on cast intact then Maurice under John who goes by the twitter handle diva runs a human rights organization called equality lapse. After the CISCO CASE, a quality labs gut close to three hundred similar complaints from facebook Google Microsoft. IBM. Cisco Amazon Dell Twitter Uber Hundreds of complaints about caste discrimination in the workplace flakes salesforce lift zoom, dropbox and Cora. Says, none of these people went to hr not a single person because I'm the H. One B. H. One visas. So if you lose your job, you have to leave the states. It's not just about losing your work. It's losing your status one out of two respondents in our survey said they live in fear of being outed because there are other speaking this town hall, but they speak anonymously behind blackened screens ahead Indian manager. So here's an. It worker goes by the name Maya Combo he knew what might cast was. So he wanted to dominate me as much as possible and one day. He asked me not to touch a new because I was ill fated. It was a dynamic reference to me being from an untouchable background and I could just remember how my ancestors were supposed to not touch things just because they would consider bad luck and even their shadow was considered bad luck. She'd never expected to feel that shadow over her. which gets us to the thorny as part of trying to fix this problem. Caste discrimination is largely a shadow issue. In the US, it's not talked about openly race discrimination and even South Asian employees who might be second or third generation immigrants may never have been to India and may only have dim understanding of their own caste privilege. Because it is fully possible to grow up within cast privileged communities in America and not have visibility into the issues that people faces resolve, Casas characters, they are erased. One of last speak at this virtual town hall and cast in Tech is a Brahman. I am as privileged as against whether caster or gender all the other aspects I'm I'm grateful to even get the chance to speak in these conversations. Emil Dash is a tech CEO and writer who's been talking and tweeting about caste discrimination in the workplace. Even before this lawsuit, I. Can't emphasize the stuff even the most powerful. CAST privileged people in the industry who are of any south. Asian descent still see themselves completely precarious in a white dominated ticket MR myself included. They still see themselves as they're the ones backed into a corner they're vulnerable. So the idea that they are also replicating frontal harm, it is a leap, it has not occurred to. Pursue Fame Cornelius and other Dallas employees. They say it's not enough for companies to just be aware of caste discrimination they have to be proactive. Make sure they're diversifying their employees and actually hiring more press cast workers. Then made Costas if possible in their time. And inclusion practices. In other words, he says that HR departments start asking employees about their cast and where they stand on this hierarchy, which are exactly the questions that same cornelius is using an alias to try to avoid. That was an excerpt from rough translation. It's not the whole episode. The rest of the episode goes into the invisible code people used to indicate their status in plain sight and what one person suggests we can do about it. Episode is called how to be an anti cassis and you can find it and subscribe to the rough translation podcast wherever you are listening to this right now. Huge. Thanks to Gregory the entire rough translation team for sharing the show us today. I'm Nick Fountain. This is NPR thanks for listening.

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Interno3: Luca Lucaroni, il campione del mondo di pattinaggio si racconta.

Interno3, storie di tutti i giorni

30:29 min | 6 months ago

Interno3: Luca Lucaroni, il campione del mondo di pattinaggio si racconta.

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Episode 324: Cauliflower Alfredo, Sheet Pan Nachos, and Cool Beans

Local Mouthful

29:05 min | 1 year ago

Episode 324: Cauliflower Alfredo, Sheet Pan Nachos, and Cool Beans

"I'm joy manning a freelance writer focused on food and health and Maurice McLellan creator of food in Jars. Welcome to local mouthful. We're here to talk shop with obsessed home cooks everywhere. This week were talking about cauliflower, Alfredo Sheet Pan, nachos and cool beans. That's a book. But first let's go here notes on something we read this week. So you found a weird one. Well, this one was sent to us by friend of the show Justin and. He sent me a message on facebook and said I think this is a great one for the show and I was like you're totally right we're doing out. Saying. It's really interesting. Tell us what it is so Apparently KFC which is no longer called Contract Kentucky Fried. Chicken. But is just KFC and soon you'll know why they are. As the article says taking innovative steps towards creating a restaurant of the future attempting to develop three D printed nuggets. First, of all, would you believe this is not the first conversation I've had about three D. printed foods. That's amazing. I can't imagine that this is going to become a thing, but maybe it will. I, mean don't you just picture? some kind of robot laying down. The lines of. Like chicken slime that's what I picture. Yeah I imagine some sort of like up from the Uis bits of. Like that grown. You know Uncanny valley meet coming. because. That's the thing. It's not plant meet no it's. They want to produce the I. Lab Created Chicken Nuggets made with chicken cells and plant material so that my question is are they. Are they even Vegan or vegetarian like I don't know I don't I don't know it feels like. Do, you remember I don't know if you remember those rumors circulated about. TACO. Bell about like Oh Taco bell's meat isn't really meet. It's. An. Extra Proton. which you know would rather eat them to attack the beef they fell at Taco Bell under any circumstance and this feels kind of like that to me in some way only. Over. Over time I'm getting more and more comfortable with the concept of eating. The bodies of living creatures. Still do it. You don't anymore. And so I can see how something like this might solve that problem. But are we opening some new crazy cans of worms like you know we don't know anything about the health implications of Three D. printed food. What's the like I mean who knows I don't know like it's gotta be better than the like slaughterhouses were covid nineteen is spreading, but his future of protein is this the future of meat I don't know. Let me just go on slight tangent One thing that has helped me really commit to being vegan is loving. Kindness Meditation. Have you ever done a loving kindness meditation? No, it's It's a very traditional type of meditation where basically you wish. You start with like yourself and your loved ones and you imagine you know sending love and happiness and well-being to yourself and the people in your life. But during you progress to then wishing it to all living beings and it does give you the sense of being connected to every living being on the planet and it sounds kind of goofy. But over time it can really It can really make you can change perspective on eating the bodies of other lubavitchers and I, have found it. Helpful. I definitely think that there is. A sound ethical argument for eating a certain kind of meat and plays a role in a certain kind of biodynamic farm that maybe we WANNA have But for me, that's been super helpful but that's it. I don't know if I would feel I would feel weird about eating sell chicken sell like lab cultured chicken cells or whatever. Yeah. Just from like a natural foods perspective. Like we try to eat things you and I. Both in a lot of people try to just eat things that are kind of close to their natural state. Yeah. Totally. Not really a lab experiment thing. Be Awhile before anyone America has the opportunity to test this tastes S. because article said, they will be testing it in Russia this fall so Probably be a while before we it maybe the Russians are more open to Or maybe it'll turn them all into Sambas. Who knows could be I mean like what's next in two thousand twenty zombies would not surprise me at all. I love Har- movies but I hate zombies. The debate you joy. Part the the. AIDS armies. Will. Watch any kind of harmabee unless there's these like I've never seen the walking dead or I i. don't know what it is about zombies It's not even like they're terrifying to me it. Just I. Don't like it. Yeah. I do get that anyway Let's change the pick radically and talk about what's for dinner. Yes, and of course, we'll share this article with you and thank you Justin for sending it along. Always send us your weird articles that you find. ME. Liked it choose over together. So. What's for dinner at my house? It's Pasta with Cauliflower Alfredo which sounds delicious and made it immediately makes me think oh my gosh. Maybe I'll make dinner because I have two heads of cauliflower in the fridge that need to be used. Here's the thing I've made so many creamy sauces based on. Cashews. Yeah. For the most part but this and this does have some countries in about it's mostly cauliflower. That's where you get like the creamy. You need to add some fat to it to your that cauliflower South Frito quality but like. The the bulk of the sauce is is pureed cauliflower. Let me tell you what I did and I'm gonNA share this exact recipe with our local mouthful members on patriotic But in a nutshell, this is what I did So you boil the cauliflower together. We'll you bring the whole pot of water that you're gonNA use for your prostate to a boil then throw in your flower and cashews. You talked to the and soft and the new scoop them out like spider something's you can use that same water to cook the Pasta. And then you blend them up with water nutritional yeast I use some vegan butter what you could use oil me. So which is often a secret ingredient in savory begin things lemon and sauce and salt. There's your sauce and it's like super. Very. Very good very gives you like a real Alfredo feeling garnished it with some chopped to ruge and like had a little tomato salad with it and it was perfectly wonderful sounds great and I'll tell you I'm working on a a new little e book project for the fall on it has a theme and the theme is Vegan Pasta Feasts Ooh I love it, which has turned out to be my favorite thing I thought when I pivoted into lampy site that I would not love Pasta as much but I think I actually love pasta more. There's so many different. Things you can do you can make meatballs. Yeah. You know you can have cream cheesy tasting stuff like you can do the von Yeah. It's it's really terrific and I'm right before we leave this topic do you mind if I just for a moment be more clear about where you can get my current Vegan mini cookbook I think he should go for it when Dan edited the show he said people are not going to be able to find it now because I said the link would be in the show us which it is but dances no one goes to the show. If that's true. You guys should let me know because I spent about a half hour every week putting them together. I know they're not the best, but they're not the worst either So if you go to the I, publish it through a platform called Gum road So if you go to Gomert dot com slash joy manning that's gum road. G. M. R., O. A. D., dot com slash joy manning. You'll see it right there and Yeah. So nine hour to find it and you can look forward to VEGAN PASTA FEASTS in a couple months sounds great or you can make cal flower afraid Oh right now today I know you you could you can definitely run with it Maria totally could but that sounds great. So pivoting slightly from a totally plant based cheesy thing to a cheesy cheese thing. I have been making sheet pan. NACHOS. Not I. Love Nacho. You, know I carefully as a good treat because we're hardly eating out and. We don't eat out in restaurants at all way you know neither Scott I feel comfortable that but we do get takeout maybe once a week just to kind of break up the monotony. You, know Scott used to get lunch out every day and. I would get food out in the world more often, and so we've been cooking some things that are a little bit more indulgent than I would normally make us to. Yeah. And so she pin nachos have been one of the really easy wonderful things that have come out of this and so I have some I, have some tricks and tips about making a a really satisfying sheep Pan Nacho I'm I'm all ears. So first thing you do is get your oven really hot. So I do it on a half sheet. And that makes a lot. I think if I was, you know really likes if we're going to do it, he wants to Kinda. Indulge at one, hundred percent share a half she pan of somebody. Yeah and the other thing too is you want to spread the torch. He is pretty thin or the tortillas ships. You don't WanNa have multiple layers. So I tried to kind of just tile them out across a half sheet pan so that you're going to get maximum cheese and topping coverage per chip everything's going to be crispy nothing gets soggy or gross so. I like to use a really sturdier chip not not a really thin one. You know how? Sometimes you have the very thin delicate tortilla chips. You want something a little bit more heft you want to err on the side of like those kind of round hardy restaurant style tortilla chips because they're going to be the brand new like. I like the ones from trader Joe's but I don't I'm sure that they're like. Totino's or whatever. It is the Tito Sita's there was a Totino's pizza rolls. That's not we're talking about toes-to-toes. So tiled out one thin layer of Tortilla chip spend a little time building that base layer because everything is going to grow off of it, and so the kind of more thorough you are about creating that single layer, the better you're going to be. So then. Anyone appre oven to four hundred degrees really get it hot because you want to crunch up things and you want to melt the cheese. So then you great cheese of your choice I, you want probably about four ounces because we're gonNA, melt the cheese and layers. So you spread half a cheese out across the TORTILLAS. Put It in the Amazon get Nice bubbly while that's happening drain I like to drain a black beans and give it a good rent and then Kinda bought them dry against that they're not going to introduce moisture and make things soggy. So then once that I layer of cheese is melty, you scatter those black beans across the top and put the rest of your cheese down so that the cheese access kind of a glue. And then put that back in the oven for another couple of minutes I'm to the cheese melts then you want to think about what vegetables I if I really ambitious, I will saute some. Red. Peppers SORTA FAJITA style peppers and onions and used that last night when I did this, I was not so ambitious and I just used a jar of again from trader Joe's. Betas Corn Salsa, which is delicious. It's so good If I had my own homemade corn I, certainly would have used that but I am long since out. So Once the the second, the being layer with the second layer of cheese is melted. You Scatter Your toppings I've even done like some sauteed. Kale. If you really WANNA go. Get. Your vegetable serving in with this So scatter, whatever kind of salsa or vegetables toppings are using and return it to the oven again Then while that's happening I like to thin out some sour cream. So WISC together with a little bit of milk or water, just kind of make it drizzle That you're not going to have big like lumps of sour cream and then once everything's Kinda. When that vegetable topping warmed three, pull it out drizzle your sour cream at whatever other toppings you want things like pickled. Jalapenos are good scores of hot sauce chopped of Kado All. Black Olives if you like that sort of thing if you have like excavate Che that pickled Jalapeno and carrot chopping it up and. Kind of scattering on top is really good and then you eat that's it. Yeah it's so good and I could see you doing this with like a cashew cheese sauce out. But I. Mean when I think about. Non Be in foods that I. would like to eat like cheesy Nachos or definitely like on the list. Yeah. Like I don't Miss Steak or ground beef or any of that stuff at all chicken but like yes. Good I think I could make a self respecting Vegan version. Yeah and I have and the the cheese is the only. Non Plant based situation here that I use your cream, but I would use. That's right as you crush aurium. Sorry or you can do like a pretty. tofu sour cream that that'd be delicious. Yeah yeah I would and I have actually discovered ways to make plant based homemade Jackson especially like for this kind of A. Yeah application stretchy with Tapioca Starch. ooh. Yeah it's and I feel like. It's not something I want to eat for dinner every night. But when it's been a few weeks of sort of seemed rice and fish and vegetables are you know? Saute. Tofu and. Yeah. That's a lot of what we've been eating and so this is a nice break in and I treat from that Dan and I have been trying to do something restaurant he on Friday. That you know. Yeah. Feel a little more indulgent and I'll actually talk about one of those recent things later in this episode because we're not going out to eat at all either like or and we're not even we haven't even had any takeout see I wouldn't have survived without some takeout but I mean I take out of my freezer. People are talking now about like going back to more strict severe lockdowns like nothing would change for me. I'm still acting like that because they really don't want to contribute to the spreading of this thing I'm you know I think I've told you before and I might have even said this on the show when we were in high school, my sister's nickname for me was joy rules manning. Guy Follow the rules, their guidelines and rules in place. You know I'm GonNa, follow them like. To the NTH degree? No. One of the things Scott keep saying to me I haven't gotten lax but I that I could be convinced to be slightly less. Careful but he is so careful that none of. My tendency is to kind of let things slide. Are being indulged because he is. So he's much like he follows the rules he Is Very cautious, and because he had he has a job and right and they will have the surgery to correct it because of the pandemic. He really wants to be cautious and I am understanding respect that and so so I guess like the thing I'm saying is like we are totally within our rights and privileges to make fun. Yeah. Indulgent stuff at home because we're not getting that stuff at restaurant, I have been eating ice cream. Pretty much every night. Well, yeah and here's the thing. There would be three times the amount of cheese on as if I got them in a restaurant so and finish in double the quantity. Yeah and I feel like you know by using a fairly. Conservative manner cheese I can have more chips and that's okay with me like that. I'm okay with those trade offs and feel better about it than if I had like the El, Ray, which is the Stevens Mexican restaurant on the street from me they make not beat pen Nacho that's base mine on, and it is so much beer and Scott Cherie and bright. You know it's like it's a mess and it's delicious but I would rather sort of my own health than them while being eat my kind of more. Conservatively topped nachos nats but they still sound super delicious. They were so good. There's you know I'm not a policy for them at all they were delicious. Well. Oh you know what? I was GonNa ask you do you bake your own chips I know you are trying to like keep your time in the kitchen they will minimum I used to do a big chip for. Yeah right now I don't have the sort of capacity to make. But. Day some some day. I'll get back to it again. because not only does that I they work better and they're healthier. Yeah. So for later. Okay. Now, we have somebody to talk about that. We're actually kind of long overdue for their. Do. When did we first start thinking about this pre pandemic I think yeah I feel like we got this book. In January, did it come out to come out to run the New Year to come out last year? No it tough. I shouldn't say definitely I think it came out this year but the book that we're talking about is Jones cool beans that has never I think never in the history of the world has there been a better time to cookbook. So. True. Because everyone is home and cooking and people are very interested in beans right now I know for me. It's been one of the ones that I've been hitting the hardest Because I do have a big stockpile of beans and he D- Joe. Does. Specifically Cook with Rancho Gordo beans and you know. So it's the kind of like a match made in a horrible global pandemic. I know hopefully, he's sold tons of copies and his making lots of money because that would be great for him be well, we all know how cookbook authors skin you know you can make hundreds of dollars. Anyway. So my on a high level, my favorite thing about this book is, is Stealth Vegan yeah which you know it's funny I didn't even notice that that was happening until you pointed out to me that. That it was and. Assuming I'd be able to make a lot of the recipes but not all of them but not every single one. Yeah. There are some times when he says, you can use like a vegan cheese or cheese dairy cheese. Yeah. So like if you like cheese gene cheese and beans together and there are definitely Some of that in the book not tons. But some I yeah I mean I've made a couple of things and I've earmarked a lot I mean it's not a difficult book but. In my state of, mind. It's sometimes hard to harness. My energy for some of these things but. So, much of it I look at like that sounds delicious. That's exactly what I want to eat right now I've been held back a little bit by shopping constraints likes. One of our listeners actually mentioned because you talked about chilly kill as a couple of weeks ago and somebody mentioned his chilies which instead of a like a tomato sauce for the tortillas uses like a black bean based sauce But there's like three sub recipes in it. Yeah. So you know that's like quite as specific shopping trip frit their tomatoes involved like that's a second store that I'm going to go to like. So that one is maybe. Off The table for right now but it's definitely on my wishlist. I. I don't really have like the bandwidth for subsidies right now like there was. The his roasted beet Hamas bowl in one that I've looked at several times in thought. Gosh. That sounds delicious and I've. Built things inspired by it But like there's a peanut Duca that you sprinkle on top. That's. Like. That's probably just an extra it is it looks delicious I just don't have the bandwidth to make it. Well, there was at least one occasion when I made something from this book to use up like you know there's all these produce boxes. Produce Boxer Mighty bread and it had like. I don't know five five pound bag of carrots in it. Well. So it was like a little bit tough to use up these carrots at one of the things that I just happen to have the stuff on hand was the Hrustovo State Kara in White, bean dip, which is one that I have marked and look so good it is. It's very good and it's actually not a ton of ingredients. So that was a good one Can I tell you about some of the other ones that I've made like a lot more than once some of the sometimes more than ten times spicy. Dip, which is another one that I have marked. That sounds so good. I don't use tons of. I don't know whether it's pronounced Berber or burberry that upn spice mixture but this recipe which makes like I think less than two cups, total dues, two tablespoons of that spice and it makes it. It's so good. It is so good you should make it. It's not there's not a lot of stuff in it. You might have this stuff on that. You need to make it right now. Okay. If you have that spice I don't have but I you know I I can get that spice. Yes. So that's a super good one when I I would never say that I get sick of Hamas when I want something for lunch. That's not Hamas sometimes I'll make that I also have made multiple times the French green lentils with a trio of mustard lou. Gosh good mustard seeds and mustard greens and dijon mustard and I actually have now a fourth mustard in my pantry that I might add it next time make it which is mustard oil. Oh Wow. That's GonNa probably talk about that on a future what we're loving someone and not say any more about that. Right now I'm. I also love the herb marinated Tofu, which is a sub recipe for that lentils and three months that I just mentioned. However. It doesn't need it like I've done that with him without it. It's okay. Either way what really makes that recipe over the top besides the mustards is there's like a ton of Pashas in it I love Casio's and then the most recent thing I made out of it was a white bean brandon. Saad now you know Lebron's dot is. I feel like I don't know how common. It's like. I feel like it's some sort of saucy thing but I'm not entirely. The only reason I know what it is for my days as a restaurant critic of with this mania for French food. If you recall yes I do and dot is like a white fish potato like extremely buttery creamy mixture. That's often a serve like a dip you know. So, this version has none of those things as white being. Potatoes. On alarming amount of via Mayonnaise We actually had dinner last Friday for a special Fridays And we both really liked this does feel like eating in a restaurant you know but then after you're like, oh, I, kind of have stomach ache. Yeah it was so rich begin dash it was so rich. But good. Yeah. I would definitely make it again for a party going be great for everybody just one piece of like. Beg, at slice with this, you know are to me and you always take more than. So those, those are my favorites that sounds great. Is there any other recipes that you made her want to talk about I can't even I may not have actually cooked from the book joy now that looking at it I'm like my brain is. Sieve I have marked a lot of stuff and I'm looking through and it's like there's no pages that are wrinkly in the way that I would have expected them to be right. There are things that I have marked that I really want to make. One of them is the black lentil crackers. I love homemade crackers so much and I had been trying to come up with a rice. Cracker when I was working on the food and jars can thinking that that would be a really great thing to have and I failed at it and I feel like. The the lentils in this in this version are probably what give it structure and mice and chick pea and lentil cracker, and so that's one that I really WanNa try especially since that is something that I failed at. So spectacularly several times. To, look at that one that has not caught my eye. Yeah. No, it looks. It looks so good and interesting and high in protein, which is nice too. It's like a cracker. Yeah. got. You. Know we're when you're dip vehicle has as much protein as your actual dip. It's a very satisfying to me I think that that's the primary one that I really Oh and the Hot Creamy White Bean dip with spinach and artichoke that has caught my eye. I do love of always loved a spinach and artichoke dip and I feel like. Using beans and something like that is so smart because it will It won't hit your stomach and just greasy. It's got that kind of fiber and sturdiness where you. into a meal like you can. Make it a report back I. Wonder if it's in the same category Dodd, which is like super super rich it. Well, it does have a cup of cashews and a cup of either Vegan or dairy cream cheese. So I have a feeling it's kind of rich but bet it's delicious a cup of cream cheese that gives me a good excuse to order the conscious cultures cream cheese I really loved but I can't use it up before it starts to go. There you go. Before we leave this topic I wanted to just mentioned the desert section yeah. Does. A lot of being desserts. I haven't made any of them. I doubt I ever will make any of them. How do you feel about being desserts? I have certainly in my lifetime made like a black bean Brownie. And I think they're good actually block brownies in there in the book. But I am I think there are but I haven't made his I. Mean It's been years limited being Browning and I've always enjoyed them. I know that when I try to feed them to Scott he is unconvinced he's always like even if I don't tell them tell him there's black beans in it. He's like there's something slightly off about these he can always tell if I made a healthy substitution. Something But then like a Black Bean Brownie, I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with being desserts even though like I do love the the Japanese dumplings with the is that. The Red Hat. those are red bean ice cream in the desert champion. But you know I feel like there's so many good desserts in the world and I love beans in their savory state I. Know I need to combine the two but that might be very shortsighted of me. Well, if you have cooked from cobain's please come, tell us your favorites because we both want to explore this book more and I do think it's a really worthy one at your m few hesitate before you buy a cookbook but you know already like being like this, I think is I I can't think of another cookbook in recent years that I have been as into as I am this one, it is amazing and beautiful and. It's time for me to cook some of the things I bookmarked. Yeah I think you should do the spicy red lentil Ethiopian dip. If if you can even if you can't sell gone on the spices, it might just be good for you. At lunchtime I'll say it's good with crackers good pita at school with carrots. Web Wedges I forget about cabbage wedges as a dip vehicle. Do you want to really quickly tell us what you're loving? Yes. Left I do. I WanNa talk about video life just like Parmesan. I've made plenty of homemade Parmesan subs with almonds and cashews and nutritional yeast et Cetera and the view life is not just like Parmesan. But it's good. It's definitely better than a lot of crap Parmesan that I've had. It really hits the spot like. A touch for like the Cauliflower Alfredo. Yeah I'm definitely GONNA keep it around in my life It is your preferred Parmesan. Substitute. Well. I'll tell you what I haven't tasted. A lot of being Parmesan is out there but this one came highly recommended to me and I have made plenty of homemade ones but this one is better and I I, definitely. I like it. It's sold in a wedge. Great it like a lot of the other ones or appreciate it. So I, don't know I think it's really good if you're avoiding dairy and just missing a little something on top of your pasta that's really a great fine for me. That's great. I'm glad you found something that satisfies that salty savory. Mummy situation but definitely, and you know what I think that might be about it for this week's upset of local mouthful. Our thanks go out to Dan call for editing the show to Saul Rosenbaum for designing our logo and to rain arose for providing the music and thank you for listening. If you like what you hear make sure to subscribe the I tunes or your favorite podcast APP follow us on facebook twitter and Instagram at local mouthful sign up for our newsletter. Catch up on past episodes and check out our show notes at local mouthful dot com until next time. Happy eating.

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How the Bruins can fix the Bottom Six | Conor Ryan | Bruins Beat w/ Evan Marinofsky

Bruins Beat

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How the Bruins can fix the Bottom Six | Conor Ryan | Bruins Beat w/ Evan Marinofsky

"This this July 6th and this is the Burn Speed on clns media. You're welcome into the Pearl Street. To speak to Media. My name is Evan marinoff. You guys are having a great day. A great week, had a great fourth. I know up here in the Northeast, it was pretty rainy for the whole fourth weekend, but hopefully you guys still did some cookouts or back to the beach or did something fun for the day 1st, Fourth of July and in where we can actually go out and do things. So it was a fun time fun day but on this episode, the past couple episodes off caller. I focused on different parts of free agency different. The line up, we focused on Rask and krejci like about a month ago. Then last episode, we talked about the future odd defense. What they needed to do to tweak that up for next season. So this episode before the Cup, Final officially ends. Now may have ended. Monday night. I don't know. This is being recorded before that, but I want to focus on the bottom six. So, this episode is centered around how to fix the bottom six. Nice little rhyme their office, definitely helps. That's probably gonna go with the title of this episode. But Connor, I got into discussions on how to fix it, you know, who are the deaf. And it's down there who on the current roster is going to be a dead starter on the third, or fourth line next year, and who needs to be brought in. And there's one name that we both agreed upon. As a name, that could come in my cost a little bit of money, but I think it'd be very worth it me. And before we get to the edge of the bed online, still the fastest, and easiest way to bet on all your Sports Action, baseball seasons in full swing. And you can track all the action at BetOnline, get all the latest news, odds, and info, for all your supporting needs, including the MLB, the NBA NHL, and all your UFC, and MMA action real-time updated odds, and props on, almost anything you can imagine. 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How to fun 4th of July weekend, of course, it rained the entire time or most of the time, but it still is very fun. What did you end up doing for it? Not that much. Pretty, pretty low-key. We've had a couple of relatives who usually do cook out with their on vacation, so it kind of worked out pretty well though cuz if we did anything, it would have been like complete downpour. Anyway, so it was pretty chill low-key going on vacation this week. So it will be able to get away from that going forward, but nothing too. Not that you crazy. It's a shame that after like the past year we had that, it's not like a legit blow. Like, I think a lot of people were expecting of like great weather and like, everyone's having a cookout wasn't the case, but it's a lot better than we were last year, right? Oh, yeah. And it's funny. As you think about it up here, at least in the Northeast first weekend that Massachusetts was really open was Memorial day and it was It was crappy out. I remember going to the garden and wearing like a coat, it was cold and then July forth is crap weather too. So I guess we gotta we gotta take for take advantage of the the weekends in-between, the days between the these big days cuz we aren't getting good weather. I was in Boston at a friend's house, it was a bunch of. It was all from UMass. We hadn't seen each other in like a month. So, it's fun to kind of reunite a little bit, see everybody? So very fun. Fourth fun to be back and there are lots of fireworks. It was all over boss, you just heard pop, pop pop, it's crazy craziness. I mean, the probably was most Massachusetts, I would imagine. So most of the countries, it's a rough night for dogs for dog, dogs. Do not like Fourth of July. No, they do not know. Anyways, by the way, for this, fourth of June marks, eight years since the infamous Tyler, Seguin for Loui Eriksson, trade and rich peverley, rich people, forget which Beverly was also hoping that Matt Fraser, you know, he did some real job. Hitters going separate ways, but always interesting to go back and watch that behind the be clip of them. Debating on whether or not say, you know, if we get half of Cain from 6 to go with a state, like, you believe that, like, made the Final Cut, like, like, they were like, when I was like, like, I appreciate it like him, so, like full transparency. Like it's fascinating, but shocker they they posted that. God, yes. Oh no, I mean, really incredible transparency. Like I wish they had that for everything but that is incredible. I mean, you could tell they were so confident in the deal, they're like, oh, we'll put, you know, three years. Like dead taking sucks. Erickson, you know, will the Bruins to a Stanley Cup. This is really going to work out well for us but yeah, absolutely hilarious to reminisce on that and what's funny is I mean the Bruins have been to a Stanley Cup since then. They've been competitive the whole time I think they would have obviously like to want a cup or two. I think there's other things you can point to in the past eight years that have been much worse you know see the 50 job. Craft the Riley Smith trade, I think was honesty worse, because you got nothing out of Jimmy Hays. Whereas we are to you, at least got something. Yeah. And I think if you had Riley Smith, like, even it's still a lopsided trade, but it'd be a lot more acceptable. If let's say, you had spent here the entire run and he had kind of the production he had for the last few years, in Vegas. I mean, you'd have like a top-six guy. You have like a guy log into that spot for four years and years like to kind of jump ship on him. After one year, we took a little bit of a different production and replaced him with a complete net negative right. Jimmy Hays. Yeah. That might be the most painful part of it because Erickson, you know, what have you with that? But in terms of just building another piece that you build forward into your core to just kind of, you know, jump ship song Smith that that one hurts. Yeah Loui Eriksson. Did he leave the Bruins in points and fifteen sixteen? I mean I know it wasn't like a big favor. Try. First payday, yeah. Sixty-one points or something like that song. But anyways yeah eight year anniversary that I was like kind of it's always free content on the 4th of July for sweet. About the Seguin trade, it's easy, just fire off the sweet about it. Boom gets people all in the fields about losing Seguin. Anyways off, obviously the Bruins have, some addition to do this offseason, some decisions to make and we just we've discussed great. She we've discussed rationally discuss the defense I was thinking, well, what happened? We discussed, and with disgust arguably, the main reason why they lost to the Islanders the bottom six, your depth on offense and that's something that I think is going to be a big talking point of this offseason of how long going to fix the bottom of six. I like that little bit of the rhyme scheme there. So, how to fix the bottom six? I think that I think that's good but there's some there's a free agent options out. There there's in-house guys that they, that they currently have. I'll start with this. I think there's two definites next season in the bottom, six on line, three and four. And I think it's Charlie Coyle down the middle, most likely if she returns, and yep, Was are on the fourth line as the center. Other than that you have a lot up in the air heading into the season. Yeah. No I agree whether it's means you look at the full sign, I think rallies, I think he's gone home and free agency. I think that one's a given but even a guy like wagna, you know, he's still in the country obviously but it's not like I think the the spots can be topped out for him whether that's you know the internal competition or free agency, what have you and then the third line it's going to be fascinating cuz I think everyone's you know it's pretty clear that need an injection of talent. They're just kind of what route you do do there. You know, is it? Do you keep you pick between Nebraska and Richie, right? Or is it you go full-on like both those guys are off the team because you know, I could be going to where it's, you know, you get that Elite you know, play driving, third line, guy who like could be a second wind guy to put with coil and then you take your pick of, you know, maybe it off. You try Richie again, or you keep the brushed his values low, and you put them, Just entrench him on that left side and hopefully, he breaks through. So, a lot of different routes they can take with that. But whichever kind, of course, they, they end up chatting here in this offseason. You're, I think you're going to see least two or three newcomers, if not guys that are definitely going to be, you know, a Frederick or even if it's like a hey Cameron Hughes or, you know, a Oscar steam, something like that. I think you're going to see a lot of new blood kind of injected into that bottom six. Which I mean, you kind of said it, they desperately need. Cuz as we've seen from Tampa Montreal, these cup contenders, we talked about this recently about kind of the Hallmarks of these contending teams, you need to have 4 lines that have a set identity and you can roll out regularly that can make an impact. And you didn't get nearly enough of that this last year with that bottom six unit, they need to bring back Jumbo Joe. I think that's real answer for you. Get some veteran leadership down to that bottom six. It's funny you mention. The newcomers. I think the number one offensive free agent. Target who isn't currently on the Bruins on the Bruins list would probably be Blake Coleman who's currently having himself a really good postseason wage most likely going to be a Cup champion for the second straight year. He currently carries a captive 1.8 million. That is surely. Surely going to go up. I'm thinking what three four jobs and say I'd say, at least, for 4 and 1/2, some Jim could get him five and I wouldn't like shocked me. Like, you have to be cognizant of the flat cap error, but there's also a lot of dumb teams out there that like I wouldn't be surprised if he gets for and hash 4755 for something that's desperate to get them. I mean he's he's that good. He's the monster definitely won't be returning to Tampa. Most likely given their. Hey, who knows? Maybe they find a way to Alex? Cockburn has like found. Yeah, he is like the shingles or something. He's out until now until next April, who knows? Yes. Oh yes. But so Blake Coleman is a a good fit for the Bruins would be a nice fit on the Thursday. Line, most likely with a guy like coil is that something the Bruins should do I know that we both kind of agree on this. But do you think they actually make a real Bush Forum? I would be surprised if they do. I think maybe you home away cuz it's not like the Bruins have just one or two, you know, holes, they have to address. I think you have to be smart with and granted the Bruins have around. I think Thirty million in cap space. But it's not like you can just toss out, you know, five, five and half million outbid everyone for Blake Coleman. Be happy your off-seasons done, right? They've still got resigned crazy, if he wants to be back. We sign Hall. Find out what you're doing in. That is Rass going back to need to sign another veteran, netminder. You know, is what are you going to do on the blue line? Like you still have to allocate a lot of money elsewhere. You have to be smart and if you're signing a guy like home and you have to be sure how long he's going to be the guy, he was the last two years in Tampa, and what he was in New Jersey before that. I still think he's a good player, but if he's asking for a four or five million, a four, or five-year deal wage, Be cognizant of rit's, I think, 29, right now, what kind of players are you going to be in your, in your, you know, in the next couple coming years and granted, the Bruins could also be like, you know, fuck it. Like we've got a 2-year window where it's going to be pretty rough after two years. So if he declines into year three of his deal, it's kind of the bed bed you made. But if you win a cup or you going a crazy Cup right next to Thursday, it's all worth it. So you kept you have to kind of weigh those things. But in terms of what the fit is, Coleman hits on a whole bunch of those. I mean he's a guy that very well could be a toss-up six guy on a lot of other teams of a fantastic. Third line Guy full season will get you 20 goals, great for Checker Speedy guy not like a big, not a huge guy but she plays physical. There's a guy that does well in the playoffs right now. Yes he's thick broonzy more thick guys. We will clip that for putting the podcast off. You know, those are the kind of guys you win with, and there was a guy that if they're putting that role, they excel at and whether it's, you know, Coleman or any of the free agents and you could also make the case that the Bruins should be aiming at just like a guy that's penciled in his like good third line guy. Like if it's a guy who's just a great middle, six player, it's not a bad thing. If you get someone who flip flops with home with Craig Smith, and you know, Craig Smith is Bump back down to the third line with coil. Like, it's a good problem to have. If, if you have him back with coil, who obviously needs to Rebound in hopefully should considering he's having offseason surgery, you hope. Maybe that was something that was nagging that he'll be able to correct, but you put coil with Craig Smith and either another guy or maybe a divorce back on the left side, you have something there if you have a guy that you can pay with krejci and Halls. So we're that's Coleman or you know maybe a guy who's more. Penciled in as a top-six guy like a Palmieri or a Brandon Saad. Or one of these guys, whatever the case may be it has to be if you're going to Freedom see route, a guy like that where it's someone that is either a elite. Very very very good 3rd liner or a a pretty solid, you know twenty goal scorer on a second line. You need to find someone like that. You can't have a Kasha who is, you know, maybe an analytic styling who has some question marks of how much that's going to actually translate into actual production. We've been overlooking, like the injury aspect of it, right? You need someone who's eighty-two Game season pencil and for 20 goals like, you know, someone in that sponge and that's worth the money in my opinion. Like, you haven't had one of those in so long, were you can just count on Coleman or Palmieri or sod to get you 20 goals. Just get to 20 goals, you can suck in your own Zone. You can do all the way, just get 20 goals, and that's something I think they need desperately. I also think if they MIT if if Taylor Hall leaves by some weird reason, I think a hundred percent, they're getting Blake Coleman or Assad or a Palmieri wage. But I think it is interesting that, you know, if you get Coleman down on that they're lying, you have coil and then you a bunch of left shots too, Brusque Richie Coleman. I also wouldn't be surprised to see if they get a guy like walk-ins also find a way to trade debrusk with his contract cuz I feel like the money will be somewhat similar in that sense. And are you getting the same out of debrusk? Probably not. So I think that might be area in which they can be cut, some corners and save some cash. What's the rest making right now? What is it for 3 isn't 3.7? I think like maybe his actual payout this year's around 4 but I want to say it's like a J-3 is like three point seven-five. You're probably right, you're probably right but I think if you get Coleman yet, either opens the door that you move on from Nebraska, or you can also cut ties with Richie. If you want to be the guy that's an extra contract because, you know, I think as much as people want to move on from the Brusque, I think, if if the deal is right, if you get great value for him and if it's you know, a guy that wage He's a headliner in a package to get a defenseman like an at home, or a comparable player or someone else may be as high upside, then you do it. But if you get, let's say Coleman on the right side of a sudden you've got debrusk penciled in. You know, you're the left, you're on left-wing with with coil who should be healthy with Coleman who drives play. It's not the worst case scenario if you're not going to get, you know, half of what the value used to be for him to keep him in pencil in there. Like that's a line that you already have coil, who should be better and Coleman whose name and a guy in to browse like legitimately should, I don't know how you get any worse, right? Like, even if you think a 15 goal-scorer it's more than what you have from in last year and you put them with a lot more challenging Coleman, maybe he breaks out. So you've got a whole bunch of options but I think it all falls into place more, once you get that legitimate third-line Winger, whether that's a job. And a freezing guy on the 3rd line, or you get a top-six player and then you swat Craig Smith down. Yeah, I think the, I agree on that. I also thank you definitely. Don't have that in house. You do not need someone who can just step into that third life, you can't count on Carson Coleman for 15 to 20 goals. You can't do it. So that is going to be a thing that should be legit thing. I mean, you think about it, you go into next season with Marsha ambrosia pastrnak Paul Croce Smith Coleman coil debrusk. That's a pretty damn good top nine like that top nine. You know, we expect to brush to have some sort of a rebound year if they don't trade him again. That could be Richie instead of debrusk who knows, but I do think that either way you slice it, that's a good top 9. The question is what's Coleman's money going to be? What's he going to be? You know is going to be that long term. The Bruins seem to not love these long-term deals with outside free agents so I do have a weird time believing Sweeney would do more than three years, but who knows? Again log The top, the bottom six has been a legit issue and that's something that's plagued them for a few years now. So you do that needs to be dealt with and that was a Craig Smith, kind of came in to do Craig's from supposed to be that guy and then he played well and strong the top six. So and you also mentioned Coleman could go up there for him who knows but he's having himself a hell of a a playoffs and also he's a winner. He's been winning like this the guys been the last two Cup teams so yeah. Absolutely. You know would be a guy that would inject some good veteran type leadership, has one good playoff performer. So they call that makes sense. By the way, speaking of the playoffs, how bad has the Stanley Cup? Then my goodness, it's so disappointing Dreadful, it's so disappointing. And also, so, not not something I, you know, not surprising at all. I think we all kind of Mount this out. Like maybe they'll make a game out of it. I think I had six games, but that was probably far too lofty. Of course. Now in hindsight, it's way too lofty but wage Just completely outmatched. And, you know, you can make the case that samples going to roll through anyone. But you think that a Vegas Tampa series would, at least be a lot more entertaining. A lot more high-powered offense, a lot more wage matchups. I mean, it hasn't been. I don't think Tampa's trailed at all in these in this series. I think it's 14-5. They've been outscored Montreal. So yeah, it's it's weird anyway. Like I regardless of, I mean, obviously the the covid-19 The atmosphere at those games. I've someone asked me recently like, what was the the fake crowd noise? Like and I was like, it was awful. It was like, it was like white noise in the background and then it would just kind of, it wasn't even allowed know. It was just noise. It was annoying. It was like, shut up. Just like, I just want to watch the game, take the crowd noise out of, like, No One Believes this people in the stands. It doesn't sound like people, strictest Trader, Joe's. Like you did soundtrack. It was like, it was like family playing in the background. It's just, it's just like yeah, it was like white noise, it was terrible and it would get louder and the 3rd. Like it first. Second. It was kind of in the, in the background of them through Thursday, be like way louder like this stinks. So yes to have fans back and to have that I'm hoping that there's no Third, like stage of Cobra. Yeah I think it's definitely going to be kind of a by comedian. Yeah I can't really see them getting almost like they go all in and not like they're going to spend a bunch of money but it let's say they pay for, you know, a veteran guy or things like Perry's Perry's a free agent. Like, I don't know if you're spending money to get like a, you know, are Mia or a park-like gaudreau or someone like that. Who could be a 3rd line thoughts? Flying guy in that spot. I'm sure they'd love to have them but again we have to be smart with how they're allocating this money. So for the Bruins I think it's maybe a it's going to be best thing. They they map it out and how may be cassidea just like his deployment of that fourth line because you know as tough as that fourth line was last couple of years. They also were handed, you know, they were offensive Wolf's most nights in terms of like their D Zone deployments like they were just getting rocked in all these and all these games and Series. So maybe it's a situation where instead of having to be this team that just off. All these D Zone sachets, you know, more fast-paced for checking groups, maybe that's where you let Cameron Hughes or an Oscar Steen. Who looks pretty solid in that last game against the capital? Or, you know, maybe they try to inject more skill into it. And maybe it says that where Sydney goes. I don't really know where else he kind of put him like, is it kind of one of those situations? Do you should try to just make that long line? Kind of like a hodge-podge. Youngster plus veteran group where you get like a Corey Perry or like a, I think, like a Ryan gets lots of free agent but if you guy that used language, like one year, it's just like the guy down the middle, he put, Lazar and insert young player there and see what you get out of that group. So that one's tough to map out all in the fact. I think we're all in agreement that it needs to be drastically different next year. So that's going to I think, come down to just how they the ideology and how they kind of map out what the role that full finds going to be because you can log. A whole bunch of different directions. Like you could just try to Beef It Up and have them be just a physical team again. But if they're out there and they're getting hemmed in in the in the D Zone, every single time, what are you really a calm when you can't really, you know, way some welts on the other end of the ice? So that might be the first step. It's just charting out what they looking from that unit and then go from there. But I don't see them spending, you know, you know, handing out two and half million to a 4th Line grinder kind of guy, I don't think. Yeah, what's funny is you mentioned gets lot but I haven't really considered that until now. So if this idea doesn't make a lot of sense, just don't kill me for it, but if they do lose krejci, wouldn't be the worst idea to get a guy like gets lava. That discounted rate. Not even for second line duties, but for third line duties. The step, if you don't feel setne ready yet. If you want to kind of have a back-up plan in case coil doesn't work out in the second line, you at least know, get stuff, could get you something I always not that obviously is nowhere near his prime, but he's only 36 month. And maybe there's something left there, maybe that's something. If you get, that's only if you lose great, she. If that might be something you want to consider, that's not the craziest idea in the world. So you can get creative with this. Going to think outside the box off with this stuff. Interesting, you also mentioned was was Lazare and how he is slated to play. And I think again, a full season with him with, you know, some form of linemates. I think will work. I mean Lazaro looked pretty good in his time in Boston last year and again it's just limit those D Zone starts. You want? You don't want them out there, hemmed in their own zone for all that time and I also think it is time to move on from Crowley. I think that make sense, someone else will pay him. You know, you can find someone to kind of take that job feels like the The Glory Days of Shawn corellian. Boston might just be behind us. But at any rate that is Bruce beat for this one a quarter before he goes or anything that you'd like to plug. Yeah, we're going to be breaking down, we're going to be handing out our season-ending grades for Bruins players. Now that I assume maybe when this podcast drops, the 2021 season will probably be official move over. If not, same Mantra is going to be on his last legs anyway, so we'll hand out grades. We're going to look at a few other potential middle six targets for the Bruins. You know, I thought you hear a lot of Ricard raquelle's. A new guy that I think is the new trendy every week is a new kind of trendy player we had the we had the Kanagawa and face, you know we had Oliver ekman-larsson for a weak on defense, you know, occupying our time might be the recovery couple weeks. So we'll take a look at maybe him as a player and where he might fit in into the Bruins plans will have all that over at the achay. Subscribe to Boston, Sports channel, cam going to follow me on Twitter, you can do that at home to Ryan underscore 93. 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Ep. 103 - Night Remorse

Athletico Mince

40:44 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 103 - Night Remorse

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Episode 15: Talking Shop

Dear Writer

28:58 min | 5 months ago

Episode 15: Talking Shop

"Hello welcome to the podcast. I'm sarah and i'm actually. We're aspiring collaborative voices sharing a writing journey with the ups the downs and everything. In between whether you're just starting out or a more experienced rider we hope that you'll find this pocus inspiring and thought provoking and his show. Hey everyone welcome back to dear writer. This is episode fifteen and today. It is our talking shop many series. It's the second episode of the miniseries and we're gonna have a bit of a chat about the different writing tools that we use to help us bidder craft. What is your tool of the month slump. Sarah k my tool. The month is the complete handbook of novel. Writing sub hitting everything you need to know our to create Salvia work it's by the way this is off writers digest. Okay is a hefty book. You got to say this. But i can. And is hefty. Yes it is. It is very much Everything you need to know to create and sell your way. They have been very comprehensive with the spoke. I have the third addition here. But i know this. I don't know if there's a which one's the most recent but it's all very relevant tonight dunk. It's probably changed very much except for perhaps some of the interviews so it includes interviews and articles by a number of very prominent authors. Just to name a few stephen king jour-jour voice lee child really really big authors. George martin jody pickles so a lot of big names in this book and so it was really interesting to read. I would say. It's probably book that i would read again simply because it has so much information on it. Don't i'm going to say i basically nivea read nonfiction books again with our. I am slightly changing in that regard on this. I'm finding more interesting nonfiction books but for me. It's very much like mean travel as well like. I don't like to go to saint place twice because i feel like there's just so much to see in the world and the same with books i feel like there's so much to read in the world that i don't wanna read the same thing twice. Yep that this one is definitely with breeding twice. I would say it just has so much information on. Did you read it. Cover to cover. Because it's quite i did. Yes oh. I feel like a book like that. I'd probably read it as i encountered issues. I assume it's like an chapters or something. It isn't chapters as you can read it as you encounter issues because it has things like So it pop one in craft over strong in talks about inspiration. Ideas plot structure characters craft style impact. Twos about the writing persists or rituals and methods revision end Three exploring novel genres. So kurds through all the common germans and for finding cultivating Your work i would say that. This section is perfectly manley based on more traditional publishing pathway mention like i remember reading it in dimension. Some more hybrid publishes so that was quite interesting to read sort of people who do a box with traditional publishing end zone publishing. Yeah they do also took out a little bit about publishing. I think in this house when it was actually published two thousand sixteen so as recent edge though is recent ish. But i would say that south publishing at the sage was still bigger than wash. They talk about bright light. It's probably because you know. This is from very traditional. Sorta mindset in that sage traditional mindset was only really getting into the idea that this thing called self publishing end the in the authors and they still very naive to the antiabortion. I would say traditional. So when i'm just reading like the check the heating on self publishing his dissecting the south publishing contract five key issues authors well marcel publishers. Probably wouldn't have contract to dissect fueling his self publishing house. Is i personally would probably stay clear of anyone that you have to pay. Yeah already gir- that whether any bits that you wanted to highlight or you know kind of spoke to you. Yes oh just. A couple of quotes out of it The really just like pieces that as going Kind of jumped down at me but then like the whole books. Just really good so if you like this in probably like a lot of the book it discussed plotting in passing in this one said if you're plaza your approach to writing a novel is similar to a military campaign. You sit up the logistics and supply lines in advance. And by the time you think is actually touched. A keyboard you have the entire better mcdowell blow by blow pences on the other hand just writing. They strap on a pirate costume. Shout avast in swing into the story with wild abandon. Neither of these approaches is right or wrong. I like that analogy the pirate vast. I liked that too. That's really good. Yeah so i mean you know it goes on to talk about the techniques in south of different ways to ration that sort of thing and in another court sort of spoke to me was on voice. what is voice anyway narrative style character addiction a set of subject matter or singular sitting all of the above pinning. It down can be difficult but we start with this. We primarily experience stories through point of view characters to put it differently. Voice in a novel is not the authors thought so vocabulary but the sum total of what her characters observed sink feel and express in the on unique ways. That's an interesting way of saying it and that is something we really had to be careful about in our teen fiction book. I think to really give our characters voices that we're not our voices. Yeah and it's interesting. Because i feel like people do get quite confused when it comes to voice and trying to define exactly what is because i mean every writer has their own style that that is not the voice Of the book for example. The book that i'm writing the voice and the book is very different from the voice of alcaraz. Like i think voices more character united and how the character views they will. It's a very good read. Just the would highly recommend. It's the complete ten book of novel writing. It looks really good. It looks like one of those good ones. You can have on your desk when you're writing referred to if you either before you start or if you've got something you want to clarify or just get some inspiration for writing waiver. Yeah and actually saying booking inspiration when of the things that i really loved is the in between the chapters. They had quotes from old these different horses and the quotes with really cool and really inspiring. You can't say but it's basically a page with a bunch of different quotes from a variety of different authors. Which is it sort of related to each fiction. Or is it just brandon vogt. Yeah yes sir. The one that just arkan to is quote song plot and structure in so you know this one by ripe bredbury for example remember plot is no more than footprints lift in the snow after your characters have run. By on the way to incredible decisions copes it has always really inspiring quotes like throughout the book and it just circle. I really like that. It's like not only do you get oldest and all about writing but then in between you get these awesome Spy sort of big names now. It sounds really interesting. Having the quotes. And things i like quotes they make you think about things. What was your choice of the mouth right. So when sarah and i fest added one getting back into writing to taking it a lot more seriously and three really looking at i guess crafting it properly in view of either self publishing it or looking at pursuing traditional publishing. I started listening to a podcast that was cold helping writers become authors and it's hosted by km wayland. She's a historical fiction and stick fiction. Author i really enjoyed her podcast one because they're quite short so when i was on the bossa was you know what episode was one journey end so about twenty five minutes. Good so you can get. You wouldn't have to stop halfway. And it's i found really good to a good podcast. Introduce you to the elements of story structure like the inciting events introduce you to outlining planning character ox structuring scenes. All that all that sort of thing it's very at stops like from the beginning. So i feel like if you're just getting into writing or like we were getting back into writing in wanting a bit of a refresher i found it was really really helpful for that And there were a couple particular episodes of her podcast. That have stuck with me. If a sense. And i've actually referred back to it and listen to the episodes again because they were so helpful or read the transcripts right. Yeah so the best. One was a three part series about writing the fess chapter of your book. And it's called ultimate fest. Check to check list and this obviously three pots and pot one was about the rate is pot two was writing the opening scene and pat three was introducing the story and i found it. I've basically directionally used her advice. When we fest rewriting the opening scenes of our novel and then eventually the rewriting the entire chapter or putting in an entirely new fess chapters to try and hook the raiders better. Yep so. I drove some quotes. Cushy has a transcript so we can read. Read along. Read it separately. Yeah so the the quote for the fest bet which is all about cooking rate. Goes your stories fest. Chapter is one of the most important pieces of your story. Not only does it. Provide the foundation for a solid story form to come. It is also your fast and only chance to pick rate curiosity and suck them in which i feel very same weiss. This chip does and even your first few sentences into because when you think about is visually pitching to a traditional publisher. You'll i chapter is run that you're going to be pitching mice of the time so it's so important for that fist win to hook. The agents will publishes end. And yeah i mean not the then you've got to keep Entertain so the rest of the book has to follow through but debt. First introduction is just very wouldn't really has to be really really strong. And what i do like about this little series of episodes about the fess chapter as she gets into rhodesia about you know you have to have the first sentence to hook the reader and then obviously you have to write the first paragraph flesh sane and how to go about doing that and she says quote from the sikkim pas about writing the opening scene. She says if you're going to provide as with all kinds of juicy hooks and your opening line opening situation and characteristic moment then you have to have a place to put them in your stories opening saint as the box that holds all those goodies. Which i quite like a little box of chocolates with all these things in it to try and unpack forrest. Gump fish but i have this book monk actually the nature of it here. So it's novels sweets. All people with healthy literary at times like us and i love the idea of was being sweets and the first paragraph being like your fish production to sort of a sumptuous buffet. Yeah i agree and you the the third part was introducing the story and i quite like a quote that comes from that which she says personally. I have always found that writing. A fest draft gets easier olmos chapter by chapter. By the time. I get to the act. The book practically writes itself. This is because when you do your job right and those early chip is you will already have accomplished meticulous work sitting up your dominos. I definitely you know vibe with that quite well because i find it does get easier especially when you're a planner and you put an all of this wet considered up your story and then by the time you know you sit up well and then by the time you get to the kind of ending things that just full into place on their own and there's not as much work. At least i found the entertain fiction books anyways. Yeah i think sitting up the story is definitely like she says super important thing. I'm kind of torn on idea. Because i feel like this didn't things that if feels like i'm more of a and who goes back and and those sort of surprises and thinks of them as i go along the journey will be like. Aw would be really cool if this happened. But then i have to it up later so yeah i go back and change the fist chapters but heading those sort of easter eggs to become something that Gonna develop into a major point later on is certainly helps the rest of the story move forward and is really important to to have them in there at least by the end of your by the time he finished with it. Whatever way you do it to have those things in there is super important. Even if it's just like wotton a one line mentioned. I found this especially writing the psychological thriller sort of mystery they have. I'm trying to think of the ten. But there's certain things that you've got fulfil when when you're writing one of these stories and might talk about it a bit more. Because i'm sure at some point. I will talk about this book in forecasts but yeah this certain things that you need to have and i can't remember what the exact him is cold. The villain always has something After it might not even necessarily be pivotal to the pauline. But it's just the thing that kind of starts at rolling and it could be like something small or it could be something like they. Want the code for nuclear weaponry wholesomely. But it's always going to be like mentioned or alluded to in those first few chapters so that later on it o be revealed what the thing derives story forward really annoyed. Everyone's going to be like. Is this sarah jade's anyway so the other episode. Who's that i found very very useful was entitled how to ace the first at in your sequel. Which is something. I actually struggled to find a lot of information about 'cause you learn a lot about how to sit up you know character and everything and the same for your opening scene in your book but when you get to a sequel works already been done for you so i always found a bit confusing. How do you have all of this information still there without being boring and repetitive so she says on sequels that sequels has special on one hand they still must follow oldest son basic rules of good storytelling but on the other hand. They both simplify and complicate. Various aspects of that approach while the burden of introducing important elements like characters sitting conflicts often lessened the stakes will be raised bringing greater depth to the existing story without allowing it to become repetitious nowhere. Is that more important challenging the fest of your sequel and we had a bit of trouble with the fast act of our sequel as well in the end. Yeah yeah the exactly what she says the balance of introducing characters and story but not doing it in a way that boys everyone and it's still really exciting. I think in the end we ended up changing which putting a new chapter which i think helps a little bit. Yeah i did think even when writing the stock said one it feels writing. Sekou stop feels like a very fine balance. Feel like you must have to be magician in the way that you have to provide a very exciting and enticing fists hooked to the story as you would with any of story but then you also have to provide the information to make it make sense from the last book but not so much that you boy. You're reading he's already read. The law spoke enough that new rita who might not have read the last vote on. What's going on. And so you need to give the illusion that you're not rehash old information but it sort of sums it up very in a very brief paragraph Two and i think ashley you did this really well with the second book with a heavy conversation shortly after things sort of calmed down because it's quite a high pace beginning books to be but it's the sort of short conversation where it feels very natural. It gives the rita the sort of background story. And i thought it was worked very well as it struggled with it in in the book as well. It's quite hard to do when you've got a guy pace seen. I think it works on the fed book though the opening in the end. Yeah i think. When i revised it i managed to bring it home it. It's a bit more. How much helps to know yes. Adding sequels a hard to find balance. And i found her podcast on it very very helpful very helpful had some good ideas about those things and just so we come back to the term. I have looked it up. It's a macguffin. Was the word i was looking for and crime and mystery and thriller the antagonists will. The villain has macguffin nick. After anyways could not remember the word ended up. That was what i was talking about. We got there in the end. Should we move onto what we're reading. Yeah do you wanna go there. Since i've been talking for a bit you can go for it. I both reading salko girls by clearly ground. Drink look at my notes here. Yes another young notebook. It's probably more of a horror thriller. I would say this one and has been a big hit in the last few years as book about three teenage girls battling some evil forces and recovering from loss and simply trying to survive. But she's very descriptive with seen sitting. And i think she clearly ground paint some very dock and wonderful pictures with her words. I quite admire that style. I have also read. It and i would agree. I enjoyed it a lot. She the world that she paints quite vivid. And very kind of doc to stubbing. I really likes how she it. Very monstrous yeah. Yeah but it's almost like a. It's like a monstrous world. That the way that she uses the words is quite useful in the way she strings him to give like. It's it sounds really contradictory but the terms that she uses. It feels quite poetic. She uses wizards. yeah so i found that quite fascinating. And the other thing that i thought was quite interesting was just defining the difference between sarah's and horrors because may rid quite a few religious end sort of suspense books and the young adults sort of area. And it's not very often that you find a good horror and the young adult or at least i haven't really read many of them so it was quite interesting to go into it. Not like i kind of knew that it was doc storyline but didn't really know that i was reading a horror when i i i've been to an in i kind of got into it and also i know this is a far and foul quite clear to me. The differences not set. It was really gory. Oil like really disturbing and the sins is just. I think it's because of the demonic kind of influences in the monsters in it that it felt more of a horror than the thrilla but it makes think that maybe one day in the future. I might try my hand at a horror as well because it's quite good. They quite enjoyed uses. Its multi perspective as well right. Yes yeah and she does. Use the whole dramatic irony quite well. 'cause you know a lot about canada which is quite cater the plot and the other characters d'arno which i quite like and the whole time. We like oh no oh no ono. Don't go don't go. It's a it's so obvious even as one characters trying to warn the one it completely. I quite yeah. That's that's quite a good. I enjoyed it. You still relate with the characters like slightly daca to though. I think so. She's very likable. Regardless yeah yeah. It's quite good. So what's your for. Or what have you been reading. Rover my pick. This month is the wettest murder. By anthony horowitz as a teenager. I was obsessed with anthony horowitz. I loved his books. In particular. The alex rider series huge fan and probably formed the basis for my love of reading as a teenager. Hem along with them. John marsden who we briefly talked about before and obviously jk rowling. And when i found out what did it probably two years ago. I realized that he was writing adult fiction and i was incredibly excited anyway so he writes a few sherlock holmes novels. I think i've mentioned one of them in in a blog post before and i've read that i thoroughly enjoyed about. This book is the first in a series of adults meta mysteries I've read the second one. The sentences death brandon saad unless can one because it was going to display shelf at the library. And i was like. Ooh and horowitz but yeah sorry. Continue on here. Here's a really interesting in this book. Anyways he uses it quite interesting structure where it is from the perspective of an author whose shadowing police detective in the novel that you read. Is the novel that the author has written to tell the story which i quite like kind of reminiscent sort of like a sherlock holmes watson kind of relationship. It's quite funny though in some ways. It's a little bit confusing because it makes you feel like you give the book and you're like did this actually happen because it is cold tony as well. And it's like himself so then you're hang on a second. I think i'm very naive though. So so i tried to look it up. I'm not entirely sure. I did read the comments and then i was like maybe it did happen or at least an element of the first based on some sort of based in real life. Maybe i tried to find out by cutting tried to find out. I can't remember what i read though now. We're to the but he didn't really had me wandering by told the story. Yes whether it was real or not real either way. It's it was really really good book. I enjoyed it. And i'm very happy to hear that there is a sequel or and run these deaths death which i will definitely be retained construed the first one they kind of like the very story so you can read the out of voter to be honest recently. I have been struggling to find books that i enjoy and on struggle to finish even some of my favorite authors. I've been struggling to get into the books. But that's when i i read a and a day maybe two days which is unusual Last time i did that was before. The fest lockdown in march so. It's been a while. Since i found one that i've really really really enjoyed and either hasn't been struggle to get into or struggled to finish at said. That's what attracts me to the young novelist because they i quite easy reads in the nba arch quite big topics with self development and self discovery. Which is why. I like young novelist but yeah sitting mysteries and stuff like that. In historical fiction rarely keen on as well but yeah. I think his folks are pretty good. They're also fairly easy rates. Yes i think that helps helps get you into the story bit differently so you have to try and find another book to read now anyways. Did you have anything else you wanted to talk about. Nope i think. I'm all good but you know. I think we can probably around this up so if you want to get hold of us. You can't do that on medicine. Creations dot com or on instagram or facebook at Creations we asked to looking for people fall out of the spotlight. Got a few more slots later in the answer if you would like to be Than you can go to send creations dot com and on the drop down menu of the podcast. You'll find Be featured on the right in so click on net infiltrate form. We'd love to have you on in heavy To darnley thing is that you must have a work in progress or a finished book. One too long as you're keen about writing wanting to talk about your journey then we aquino talking to you. Yes yes so. Please apply if you're thinking about it. We're very friendly clear so next time on either it's going to be our main podcast again. Which is exciting. And we're gonna be talking about the stumbling blocks we in writing a novel all the way from the piscotty three that people struggle with to all of the things that sarah and i find the most challenging. Yes so if you like the podcast in please write and review on april parkas or subscribe on. What if puck catcher. You enjoy using and yeah and we will see you next time. Nick speak with our main forecast the good writing and heavy writing everyone.

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Patriots Covid Free, Bruin Whiff on Hall, Celtics Offseason Needs

Boston Sports Beat

20:31 min | 10 months ago

Patriots Covid Free, Bruin Whiff on Hall, Celtics Offseason Needs

"And welcome into the Boston Sports. Good news for the New England Patriots. No positive covid-19 tests returned on Monday, which means the teams scheduled game against the Denver Broncos for Sunday at Gillette Stadium is still on facility is closed both today and tomorrow Patriots home to return to the practice field on Wednesday and preparation for the game. Now again, this issue is something that stems all the way back to the Kansas City game where the league forced the Patriots to play on Monday night just days after Cam Newton returned a package of test after that Stephon Gilmore tested positive another practice squad player, and then another test is past weekend causing the postponement of the game against the Broncos Greg Bedard on his graveyard Patriots podcast told us that he believes this could have been avoided if the league had just been a little bit smarter about this from the beginning the NFL like we talked about before had the benefit of time and planning out of all the leaks dead. And what kind of plan did they come up with? It was we're going to do the same crap that we always do like screw a pandemic. Nothing affects. The NFL will be fine. We'll do that. Well, I mean, it's just off of arrogance like did they really think Nick when they when they sat down and they planned this or watching? What's going on with all these other leagues? Did they really think they were going to just skate through Thursday season all 16 games? And I mean, that's the way they they plan the whole season like I would have done and I put this in my column b s j I would have sat down I said, I would have said look. Every single professional sport has had to change or everyone schedule has changed. They've all given away Revenue TV Revenue baseball strike down to sixty games NBA whatever they ended up playing in the in the bubble the NHL same thing if I were the NFL I would have been like, all right, let's be pragmatic about this. Let's cut this down to let's cut this down into portions. All right. First of all, what we definitely need to try to do is get get the division games out of the way as soon as possible just so when it comes to the division, if we end up having playoffs, at least we'll know which teams from each division are the best we could just go with two teams from each division get the division to get the divisional games out of the way get the one-off intra-conference by seeding. So for the Patriots, that would be the Texans and the Ravens this year. Yeah those to the three divisional games and then have sort of you know boxes of four games off. Play games by just in case something happens for games by and then if you get to it, you play the other division. So it's the AFC West like the Broncos this week for the Patriots. If you get to that page get to that but everybody plays twelve games. There's three buys built-in and what I also would have done was I would have said for this season. We are eliminating the bye week cuz Nick what have you heard about them? We can't out a week eighteen week nineteen because God forbid the number one seed is off for three weeks, which the Ravens did last year to themselves. And so you eliminate the bias year you go to eight playoff teams in each conference because We're not it's we're not going to know who the best teams are. Let's delete make it a little bit more of an open tournament for this year. And then so everybody's playing every week. Everybody's on the same playing field every week. It did the NFL do anything close to that? No, they just went with sixteen games full playoffs we're going to do what we're going to do and it's just it's I'm just think it's stupid. All right moving on to the Bruins Conor Ryan Boston Sports Journal here in Connor. What happened man? We had I mean Bruins out of nowhere Bruins fans took Taylor Hall. Let's just set the scene for everybody looked like Bruins were in this thing is he solved so many problems if that second line Wing to put on the crazy line. They've been looking for for 40 years now, and Colorado drops out and all signs are pointing towards Boston getting this done and out of nowhere. Buffalo just swoops in and signs would do one of your deal so dead. One year eight million bucks. My question here is Connor did the Bruins not really step up with the Bruins not beat that offer. And if they did I did did did haul just not want to come here. You know, let's let's basically what's wrong with us is what Bruins fans want to know. Yeah. I mean, I think it's kind of pop for the closer to how this whole year has gone. Right then you lose out to a team like Buffalo boss something like that. And as you said it mean it seems like as more and more suitors kind of fell out of contention with Colorado, you know, getting Brandon Saad and a few of these other guys. It seemed like Taylor Hall is going to fall right into the Bruins laugh would have been ideal. I mean as you said he checked off all the boxes you finally have a guided poet David krejci and falls through like that and you know, the fact that if you know the Bruins weren't going to offer him one year eight million dollars one. You have the cap room to do something like that. Maybe you have to move a guy like the brush which you want to sleep probably would have to do anyway, cuz I don't have to address Torey Krug and that's part of the left you can't log You know expect to have our whole back and iron and Jacobs and Laurel and have them roll out eighteen Nineteen Minutes a night with this team, especially if you are open to contend for a cup, so it would have checked off so many box office is in terms of what you're targeting. So whether it be the Bruins didn't offer him that much money or the fact that maybe Taylor Hall is thinking all right, I'll go to Buffalo. I wish it would be under the radar cuz that seems not make the playoffs. I'll go play with Jack eichel score forty goals and try the market again next year. I mean hats off hats off to you for doing a move like that. But one I don't think the Market's going to be improved next year cuz the rep is not going to be the same. But once I mean, I mean for a guy who mentioned time and time again before hitting the market that you know, I haven't I've been to the playoffs twice Contender, right all you heard and goes to be a team that is like an even worse Maple Leafs amiable school full fogle's a night, but they're going to get outscored like 7 or 4 in those games. So yeah, it's it's a head-scratching kind of dog. In terms of just what team he went for and whether or not the Bruins really involved in getting a yeah, and you're you're looking at a bridesmaid situation here the with a couple high-profile free agents last few years with Tarvaris and then obviously Hall here and that's a tough one. So again the Bruins make a very Bruins signing with Craig Smith who again is the type of guy who's going to make like Mike Mike felger head explode but the analytical guys like him for a lot of reasons, which is the the, you know, the five on five shots on goal expected goals. Lots of metronome working in his favor. I'm going to play the role of the other guy. I'm sitting here and I'm I'm angry Joe Bruins fan and I'm going to ask you a question. How many third line for Words equals 1 second line forward because it feels like that's what the Bruins have right? I mean that's the thing as the the ringleader of the analytics fan club. You know, I'm excited to get a guy like Craig Smith, but you still have to be realistic in the fact that you know, even if he's dead. The you know a rich peverley or a guy like that and like an elite kind of a third line guy again. I don't know if that really moves the needle for this team in terms of getting past the hump of a team like Tampa Bay Packers team like Colorado in the west who's going to be better next year or anything like that. And if you get table halt you check off all those, you know worries of all, right, we've completely front-loaded our forward Corps. We should be scoring a lot of five on five play and then we have Expendable pieces that you could probably trade together and at least a competent top-four defenseman guy. He leaves are comfortable rolling out nineteen twenty minutes a night now, I'm stuck in a spot. Where is Craig Smith and Andre Kasha going to help you a little bit they should but is it going to put you over the top? They're not really it's not a sure bet and then also, I don't know what you're going to do with that that they can see on the D Corps because it's not a lot of really good friedns out there. They're going to be worth the money. If you're going to sign one of those guys. It's going to be a guy like Gustafson who bring Our risk in terms of him not being a very good Defender, which is not what you want. You know defenseman right especially know your things up from doing the title. Yeah, exactly. So, I mean they got so many more kind of get used to put out. So it's going to be they got a lot of work to do and again going back to the whole thing. I think the need for this this year again, it's a need that's existed seemingly forever. Okay. It's the white wage the Bruins just can't find a way to lock down that forward to play on that second line who's going to up the production consistently, but maybe more so than ever this year cuz you're looking at you you can't put the blame entirely on the Perfection line year after year after year when they're just you know, they're taking up in age here with Bergeron and Marshawn. It's I don't know that they can hit another level than what they've played at over the past couple of seasons and you wonder at what point and starts to kind of start to gradually go there. Which would you gotta create some balance and you gotta have some people in there that can carry the freight and right now you don't have it off. You mentioned that defense, you know, as far as defenseman go. It's either a free agent or bump up one of your not so ready maybe for a defenseman here and see if they can, you know, hang playing 16, you know, 15 16 minutes a game and that's probably asking a lot from the from from the guys have got back there right now. Yeah. No, it's a thing to me. It seems like it's the same narrative we hear every year and I mean how many times are we going to hear the same thing of well, if you know and is Joe Creeks through or you know this upcoming year. I'm sure you're going to hear well, we hope Jack's Tanika does well or Trent Frederic or back in nine. And if they do well that's fantastic. But your whole you know, Stanley Cup hopes in terms of injecting town that puts this core over-the-top shouldn't rest on Thursday a twenty-one-year-old Jackson Eco or a guy like back in Ireland is Bailey played in the NHL like this isn't the season to be hoping those guys finally break through cuz how often does that happen? You know, it's you have to get laging. Two proven NHL Talent, especially the fact that as you said, the score is not getting any younger Rapids a year when Bergeron create you just you know, actually start declining in their skill. If you're hoping that you know Aunt is go cuz I'm not get you 20 goals and if 45 points if he does be fantastic, I don't think it's going to happen. You know, you can't just rest, you know all your your hoax on these guys breaking through when there's legitimate NHL team out there. That's kind of slipping through your fingers, right? And again, you're just you're just waiting for these guys to just kind of take a magic pill and all of a sudden wake up and be different people. I mean you've now had enough in your system to see over the edge of a couple of years what you think they're going to grow up to be in by now if you had something you think you'd know it and it's not beyond the realm of possibility that one of these younger players turns into somebody who's you know, I existed maybe a top-six forward but haven't seen it yet. And you know, it's the the clock's ticking a little bit. So a lot of questions for the Bruins, I think the hall the domino effect off of that wage. You mention a were rough there because you've now got to address multiple needs and you just don't really have a clear path to doing that. So not a great start to the offseason. It's still early will be else happens, but Connor I'm thanks a lot. Thanks. 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Okay Switching gears to basketball spring and Brian Robb here in the NBA season is over and I'm selfish didn't win it. But by all measure a great success being able to pull off what they did in the bubble. And now we're already looking to the offseason. So Lakers are the champions office. A lot of people could have predicted that over a year ago when everything kind of started here and LeBron going there, but now we're looking ahead already the next year and again our sponsor bet you've already put out odds, of course cuz that's what they do and the Lakers are once again favors favored to win the NBA title followed by the Clippers. The Bucks are in there in the Eastern Conference is another team from the Western Conference Golden State expected to have a big bounce back next year. We'll see about that, but certainly a return to health of all of their players in a high draft pick is going to greatly improve their fortunes and then income the song Here again still trailing the Bucks a head of the heat ahead of all the other Eastern Conference teams, right behind them is Brooklyn. That one's interesting too. We'll talk about that as well. But first Brian just talk about the Celtics and what we see for next month or this really is a run it back scenario. It looks like for them. Yeah, there's no question that that's the option. That's certainly the most likely based on how the team's salary-cap instruction. This offseason hammered is likely to opt-in. There's a possibility that could you know decided to go she ate a long-term extension of them if he's agreed to take a pretty sizable pay cut that would exchange for Thursday through security with years. But you know Jason James not going anywhere. Kemba Walker's not going anywhere. Jaylen Brown is not like there's not going anywhere and you know, the C's could expect a trade market for smart, but it's highly likely I think he's going anywhere either. So but he's now it comes down to you know, they have the three first-round draft picks. The the treasure chest of Assets in terms of pics is kind of a game. In to an end. So they're going to try to maximize that they have the mid-level exception to spend so they can get creative with some trades with those draft picks and try to find the upgrade to the bench that they need off the the structuring big men that could help but as far as the main core goes it's going to be a lot of their the gains is going to be timing on just internal Improvement amongst their their core. Yep. And that's kind of where they're at is you've got what you've got. You've got the three pics unlikely. They make them they don't have a lot of space if they stay under the cap as you wrote on Boston Sports Journal they can use the full full nine million. Is it back up? So if they stay under this tax, yep, it's around like 9 and half million so probably be you know tight to that but we'll see if that you know, they'll certainly be the good news for something since there's not a lot not a lot of good teams out there of cap room at all right though. Not like folk date should hopefully be in the mix for anyone who's looking to obviously be contending. So and everyone's going to immediately point to Biggs and it looks like dead. You know, here's the Dilemma for the Celtics you have Canter's going to likely opt-in you have Poirier on the books again, which you gotta figure out what you're going to do there. That was not great month to have him locked in next year. You could look to package him. I think you wrote package with pic. See if you can just toss them and get get that off the books. Obviously you have you know, if you have ties coming back at a very reasonable number and there's that's a you're not going to do anything with tires cuz he has tremendous value way more than than what he's being paid and you've still got Rob Williams. So the problem here is occupying this many spots on the roster for you know, one-dimensional Biggs. And so even though you need help there you're now all of a sudden you've got a little bit of a log Jam. So how do they address that first and foremost, you know, potentially I guess moving or waving people for sure and then let's talk about a possible name or two after that. Yeah, there's no question that you have too many centers on the roster. And on top of that you have Grant Williams who is fully capable of playing small-ball Center. So I think what you're going to see this offseason John's that I think Thursday's Rob Williams day is Grant Williams days and then, you know cancer and Korea I think will either be you know, in the case can't your envelope probably like to find a trade for him. Might be off ramp waived or packaged with picks and another deal and then you look potentially to replace those two guys with just a big body to rebounder or shooter. Just something to provide some extra depth at that position behind Rob Williams given his you know, injury question marks there but I think consolidating the back end of the roster you had too much tied up in opposition utilize. I didn't play a ton, you know, you don't need four centers on a roster and today's NBA or four true centers when you're offering today's NBA. So that's something that I think they'll try to consolidate certainly not one dog. You're afraid to play in the second half of importance games again. You can put I mean. Doesn't even register in that but you're looking at Cantor and Williams who are guys you just have no confidence. Not only are they they're they're very situational dependent. You really need somebody that you can just plug and play at least 15 to 20 minutes a game. If not consider potentially starting depending on the matchup and using thys Off the Bench again. It depends how you want to play it. So there's not a lot out there and I think among the names that I think the conversation is going to center around here a lot of a lot of the conversation apaka seems to me like the like the dream scenario because he can do some things. He's not the same Defender. He was years ago, but his ability to step out office space the floor knock down threes and to be able to play really against any lineup I think is a huge asset and another guy people would gladly welcome back and I think if they had him this year might have solved a lot of problems is dead. Dan's just talk about those two guys likelihood. And and if you had your if you had your pick money aside and they can make it work and fit. What where would you go here? Yeah, I mean back to your point. I mean no better, you know Big Man three point shooter that's available from work right now, but with Toronto having his bird rights of Marcus tall likely leaving there to play in Spain. I don't think you know the Raptors run out when it running back and competitive next year. They're going to want to bring back up again. They're going to probably pay him more than the Celtics have to offer their claims is another interesting situation for the reasons. You mentioned the obvious a great fit is Ken can provide kind of you have the three-point shot to his game now. So that's someone with you want guys the muscle with, you know autobio and other you know M. Obviously another Biggs around the East going off or whether there is a bad blood. They're open obviously having two sons might want to bring them back cuz they they obviously, you know, they have eaten but they could certainly use more, you know, defensive big band up there if they want to make a month. Last lecture and then there's like Tristan Thompson Derrick Favors are probably the other two prized defensive-minded Biggs out there that the season be going after but there's going to be a lot of competition for their services. So I'm not sure the C's are going to be able to outbid anyone to land them. Yeah, and again Thompson's one of those guys that sometimes plays himself off the floor. So it's again a person who you can use it fills a need but then it creates other problems, you know, when you when you're too heavily reliant on him. So everybody has their warts again, it seems like the thing that they're going to address. I think Faith makes sense and at the very least it would make Tommy heinsohn happy and I think anything so we're going to wrap up this edition of the bosses for Speed with Brian Robb again, subscribe to Boston Sports Journal eleven cents a day off Rob's going to have non-stop previews this entire offseason this short seemingly short off-season as things ramped up for the draft and free-agency. So there's going to be a lot to talk about and of course support our sponsor bet you log I bet u s.com and in the spot where it says, how did you hear about us? Just fill in Boston Sports journal and get up to 150% bonus on your first deposit Brian. Thank you. Thank you.

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We Have A Trade To Announce!

The Isles Faithful Podcast

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We Have A Trade To Announce!

"Daddy what are you doing? We're recording a podcast. He's listening. Islander. Fans are listening. Where are they the right here? Welcome to the Isles. Faithful podcast with your host. Michael Shirley Line hello and welcome back to the House. Faithful podcast. I'm your host as always Michael Sherline and this is episode number forty four. The trade deadline edition today is February. Twenty four th twenty twenty. We have trade to announce a trade to announce. We've heard that a couple of times does not in the last six hundred and some odd days with Lula Morello at the helm but that all changed it. Kinda changed really About a week ago when the islanders traded for defenseman Andy Green from the New Jersey devils which we will get into in a little while. Even though it's the first trade here we want to get into the bigger ones. And that is the islanders. Landing PENDING UNRESTRICTED. Free Agent. At the time the quintessential player or the cream of the crop. If you would like to say center that would be available today from the Ottawa. Senators talking about John. Gabriel Gabriel Patio. And when it's GonNa take me a couple of days to to let that roll off the tongue so for now on we'll just say J. G. Patio unbelievable we had a slow start. Today we really did seemed like there was a couple of trades early on Things started to heat up the later in the days when the news came through that you know I think it was dave pag not or One of the other guys had said that. The islanders seemed like they were hot on the heels of Patio and ultimately the islanders made a deal with the Ottawa. Senators to pick up John. Gabriel Patio for the aisles. First Round draft pick in twenty twenty which is a conditional top three protected pick if it is in the top three that pick moves to the first round draft. Pick in twenty twenty one. They also moved the second round. Pick in this year's draft and a conditional third round pick in this year's draft as well but that is contingent on the islanders winning the Stanley Cup this year. Obviously I would love to give up. That pick remains to be seen what happens so essentially we got patio or the islanders got Paseo for conditional first rounder in a second round. Where this year not bad. Obviously this made the green trade earlier in the month a lot more palatable. The islanders have been saying they needed more pop up front. They needed that extra center for depth. And now the islanders definitely have that depth at center with Barzel Nelson now Palacio and then once Zeke is comes back from injury to slot in there as the fourth line center crazy depth. That depth is now locked up for you know quite a bit of years here. I think the only one that really is going to need a new deal at some. Point is Zeke. Is I think he has two years left. But I I love that depth and then it came out that the islanders were looking to extend him right out of the gate. There was a couple rumors. I fell for a fake a fake twitter account. I've really tried to be good with this but I was kind of busy at work. I actually saw Jeff Capellini re tweeted. He got bamboozled too. I didn't even really look and I got yelled at by guys and I blocked. That deleted the tweet so whatever but Paseo then signed a six year extension with the New York Islanders. That was reality is for just over. I think our or at five million a year a the actual breakdown for the contract. I'm pulling it up right now as we look for it is should have had this up. Five million a AV. For six years in the first season five million base two million signing bonus. That's for the start of next season for twenty one twenty two six point five million base twenty two twenty three four point five million base twenty twenty three twenty four four point five million base twenty twenty four twenty five four million dollar base twenty twenty five twenty six. I can't even really think that far ahead. Three point five million dollar base. Here's a full. No trade clause for the first two seasons and a limited no trade for the final last for which is a sixteen trade Notre Sixteen team no-trade list. So that's that's the extent of that really Paseo comes patio comes to the New York Islanders with twenty four goals sixteen cysts and forty points putting him up as the aisles. Third leading scorer between Bailey at four in Nelson at three. He leads the team in goals by two at twenty four now as we've talked about There's no guarantee that he's going to score the same amount or even at the rate that he was up there in Ottawa. He's going to be used On the island in North I sit on the island in ways. That are a little different than he was up there in Ottawa. He was seeing first-line minutes. He was seeing. You know number one power play time and he is going to see penalty. Kill time here on the island. He's GonNa see power-play time. I'm sure Barry Trots is gonNA slot him in as he sees fit mainly as the third line center because he wants to be able to get back to being able to roll for lines which is so important. That's how you've seen the islanders find their success last year and this year and they haven't really been able to do that due to injuries and some personnel issues. But you know he's going to fit in just fine here. He's even set a ton of great things already about the club in. And you know you you see you know players do that with their new club and you know he has a relationship with some of the other. French connection players here. We have our own French connection line in dark pursue art and Anthony My computer is not working but one of the things he said earlier today is to have the chance to be joining the team. Such is such an honor to me. I couldn't be more excited to join a team. That's going to be competing every year for the playoffs or for championship. I couldn't be more excited as a player. That's what we play for. That's what prides us. That's why I'm excited to go and be playing for them. He had also said a couple of things about coming in right out of the gate and playing the New York Rangers. If you don't know patio for the senators scored four goals against the Rangers in the playoffs. He had a game winner. I believe in overtime. He is just a guy that seems to show up in big situations. He had a bunch of great playoff games up there in Ottawa when they had that could team when the islanders were kind of the situation was reversed when the islanders were terrible and Ottawa. Seem to be doing really well so we got a guy that has some plant experience coming in and he seems to be like a another type of energy player and a guy that is a Swiss army knife of hockey players. that'll fit right. In Berry trots system. He had said something also today in Another quote something about the arena. And how you know. He feels islanders. Ownership is dedicated and wants to you know have the best for the team moving forward and he obviously has been dealing with some of that arena issue up there in Ottawa. Is well with you. Know them moving out of Canada tyron or however you say that sitting name which is an hour and a half's drive outside Ottawa. It's ridiculous but we'll see what happens with the arena. Obviously it's it's well in the in the mix here they post updates on Belmont regularly and it's coming along very well but this is another indication of how pending restricted free agents or free agents are looking at the islanders a little differently. That's exciting. I know I was kind of blown away by some of the things that I heard today and will go into that a little bit more in a few minutes. The islanders also earlier in the month like we had previously spoken about traded a second round. Pick in David. Quenneville to the devils defenseman. Andy Green. He is fit in wonderfully here replacing the injured. Adam Pettit Pelvic. The aisles have allowed only seven goals during Greece. Four Games with the New York Islanders. The two assists. He's a plus three and has eight shots I don't know how many hits he has I don't think he's overall super physical guy. I know he has a bunch because I think that The game the other night he had a few. He's not even known for his offense But he's really solidified the pairings back there and has obviously chipped in We saw that great shot from the point that beauvilliers had tipped in and now he another assists the other night as well But he's given The coaching staff A new lease on life back there with the defensive pairs and They really seem to be playing at a level that maybe they were playing at earlier in the year. Which is could see. What else have they done here today? They they made one smaller move a minor league deal with the Toronto. Maple leafs sending winger Matt Loreto to Toronto for Defense Jordan Schmaltz US smarts was previously in the Saint Louis Organization. He's a former first round pick. I believe he was twenty first overall So there's that aspect of it. Obviously he was downplaying in the MARLIES for Toronto. But you could argue that maybe some of the marlins are playing a lot better than the guys on the large club right now. The News of the day obviously next to the patio trade was the deal. That almost happened. I know I was sitting there during lunch in couple of tweets came through. I think it was from Frank. Sev Several E or however you say his name having a terrible time with names tonight. Just the excitement of the whole day makes me feel so drained. Hopefully this is coming across okay The islanders were working on a trade to send. Andrew led to the Minnesota Wild for Zach parise and twitter kind of blew up all the reactions in my time line. We're like WHOA. What look at this? Check this out. I actually A screen shot at a bunch of the tweets because it was just kind of ironic that they were all in a row. Everybody basically had the same reaction that the news came out of essentially field which is probably one of the most exciting things about you know the trade deadline or even free agency is the teams that. Kinda come away with a player that nobody really expected And that's the reason why me as a fan that I I get so into. Today I used to take off on trade deadline day. I treated it like a holiday hole up in my living room with two laptops. I'd have the TV on NHL Network. Have the tsn stream on my computer at one point way back when with my blog. I had told everybody had to get the tsn stream on your phone by cheating the apple APP store with a fake address. So you can have the Canadian apps on your phone and then how to do stuff with VPN and everything else. Maybe some of the stuff would be slightly illegal if you really want to think about that but that always got me a ton of traffic on trade deadline day and I was glad I was able to help a couple of people out. It's it's definitely a fun day. So back to this. Almost trade just made you say Whoa. As news continued to trickle out. It seemed the things were moving in a positive direction. News came out that Zach parise. They had waived his no trade clause Andrew Ladd had waived his no trade clause. It seemed that Minnesota was going to retain a little bit of money on the Zach. Parise deal his deals a little longer than Andrew leads. It's a little bit more money. So there was some back and forth going on with that allegedly The athlete had great articles from both sides. He had Arthur staple on the islanders side. And you had Russo on the wild side. He's the beat reporter for the athletic ultimately. Something fell through. Be It news of the trade leaking or just to the crazy cap. Instances with the money going back and forth and retained. It seemed like it was a complicated deal. I had heard from a couple of people behind the scenes that it was a complicated deal net things you know where we thought as fans or based upon everything. We hadn't heard on twitter that the deal was dead. I had gotten a message that they are actually still working on it and it seemed like it went right down to the wire because you know nobody really knew anything but Arthur staple had the the deal as one for one plus other pieces and we obviously never know what the other pieces are you can maybe assume a defenseman or some sort of other throw in The islanders didn't have any scratches or anything. So it's Kinda hard to go on that avenue. They obviously would try to avoid not giving up a roster player like they didn't have to give up for Andy Green or for patio today as well which is something else that you really need to reference. The islanders improved in two areas this trade deadline without giving up a single roster player from the NHL Club that? That's pretty big. Obviously you can say while it didn't really get a wing in. I was pushing for a wing all day. Which you know the pres would have been but now that leads going to be up. He's he was said to. You know he's going to be up for the rest of the season I hate to say. He's the addition But you have clutter but coming back. You have Zeke is coming back. The islanders are going to get their identity. Blind back to the point where it was. Hopefully they remain healthy here during the next twenty some odd games to end the season. So it's one of those things where they will probably without a doubt revisit this come July. It seemed that Wanted to come to the islanders. Which is huge in it right or wrong because the islanders could have drafted Zach parise and they should have given everything his father accomplished with the New York islanders during the dynasty era. But they could've corrected the wrong of drafting Robert Neilson instead of Zach. Parise say in that that may come to fruition moving forward but apparently the trade was even going back to last summer. It seemed that Lula. Morello talk to the then wild Gm and Paul Fenton last year and I guess the wild really want lad at four years given he hadn't really played a whole heck of a lot with his injuries So I was at the game on Friday and I was questioning. Why lead was even in the lineup? I think I had said it on twitter. I know I said it to my cousin. Who's sitting next to me. This seems an awful lot like a showcase for lead because he hadn't played since December for the islanders and he hadn't played the last two weeks in bridgeport because of an upper body injury. So it is what it is there. I guess you gotTa do what you gotTa do in order to To get players to to move around regardless all this is fantasy for now It could have been. It should have been it. Did prove that Lou. Lamoriello is trying to improve the club. Finally it did prove that there are players out there who are willing to come to New York Islanders. We saw that in Andy Green. We now saw that allegedly in Zach parise so something to keep an eye on moving forward obviously We have a couple of players come back from injury and It was fun and exciting and in kind of a a tiring day to I know my phone had to be charged like eight times today. It was hot at one point. I had to reset it. Apps kept crashing. My phone's not that old either so I don't I don't understand what the heck was going on there. Maybe it's just a little excited like the rest of us but the best part really is that. Paseo tweeted out that he was on his way to New York. There still could potentially be a visa issue that would prevent him from playing tomorrow but all signs are pointing that he is going to be dressing against the New York Rangers who he had mentioned Had some good success against During the playoffs a couple years back so his first game is a New York. Islander wearing number forty four could be against the New York Rangers. And that's just going to be a sight to see. I know I'm excited We're GONNA have a lot more to talk about here. I know I wanted to get something out just to kind of get my feelings of everything here. on the trade deadline Jeff Capellini is GonNa join me Potentially tomorrow after the ranger game. So we'll we'll get everything all caught up there on The rest of the trade deadline in some of the other moves and some of the Games over the last week or so something else I really. I wanted to talk about quick before we. We moved on this episode The amount of twitter responses in the fund that I've had on twitter with all of you guys There's been a bunch of new followers. Obviously all of you existing followers continue to kick button. We have great conversations. So thank you for that But after the whole parise deal fell through. I tweeted at the end of the day. The PARISA thing I feel he would have helped but it wouldn't have helped with the salary cap in the contracts. Do this coming July. Jj Paseo came extended in sounded like a character guy eager to start his aisles career. He helps fill hole. And then I asked for your thoughts. There was a whole bunch I also added. Also you're dealing with two older players in the potential of Capri capture penalties. Which is something we really need to explore it a later date or at least have someone who knows a heck of a lot more than me. I feel as much as it would righted a wrong when the aisles should have drafted Parisa over. Nielsen could have caused too many other issues right now. And that's something Lou lamoriello kind of addressed earlier today. You know you have restricted free agents in Matt Bars L. Next Year Ryan Pool Lock Devante waves. I'm sure that there are others as well. May Even Anthony Beauvilliers I think he he's got a he's going to be due for contract soon. Give all these players that are going to need deals in you. Don't want to lose any of them's is specifically matthew bars. L. Lou had said earlier today that he's GonNa use the time he has. He's not worried about the restricted. Free agents right now but he plans on extending offers to all them. He plans on getting them all signed. So that's a big thing you know that could potentially be part of the reason why the Parisi deal fell through whether or not he was worried about you know Matt Bars L. and maybe even an offer sheet being drawn up by imposing club. That could kind of make things even more crazy for the islanders next season or in the least in this off season. Who knows I mean you got to kind of look at all avenues of things so maybe this is a blessing in disguise. It's good in that. It showed that there are players out there veteran players who their preferred destination is the New York. Islanders I mean Zach. Parise said that at least in an article anyway allegedly. Maybe didn't say it but it sounds good. It's good pr for the team. So moving forward. Maybe somebody else will do this as well but fact that Lula Morello is concerned about locking up his core. Guys the guys that you know. He's giving another shot at the playoffs this year kind of speaks volumes and again. Maybe they dodged a bullet. They don't have to deal with all this crazy contract issue stuff with lead and Parisa. I mean obviously they have to deal with lead for the next couple of seasons. But there's there's that aspect as well regarding some of the reactions of you guys and you know this. This is based on a tweet. I had said yesterday also about previous trades of the New York Islanders. Maybe how they move the needle. You had Ryan Smith and then the Thomas Vanek deals and it was more along the lines of things that kind of pop up out of nowhere and that kind of ties into the whole. Parisa thing because you never know what's GonNa come out of left field so this was kind of an extension to that and a bunch of guys had some great tweets at me Policy Ny Sixteen said. They didn't address the scoring problem while you scoring a lot. This series overall career numbers. Don't scream a sixty three or six by thirty million dollar player disappointed in get bars on the power play help. I don't think this changes much Then you have. Bill outfield built at Bill. Twenty-three short term gain long term pain L. Well then he had Emcee from the Dale. Mtc Two six two who wrote in the last episode a quality player waves his no trade to come to the island and then extended for six years. That's the thing aisles fans. Haven't seen in a long time. I don't know if that's a hundred percent accurate I don't think TASIO had a no-trade clause diddy a bunch of Lovett's Tom McKee at six underscore aisles. The biggest issue with this team all year has been the inability to roll four lines up front. This trade will allow them to finally do that when healthy which should greatly help the end of the year and into the playoffs which is a great point something. I had spoken about a couple of minutes ago. Justin Simon at College Cross agree although I was excited about Parisi with bars L. Even though I know he is past his prime etc but I was excited about that veteran leaner leadership. He would've brought you know and you could. You could say this too. There's a lot of veterans on this team. Whether or not you like it or not. Josh Bailey veteran Brock Nelson veteran. The new have J. G. Patio. Now you could say. He's a veteran at this point Andres Lee veteran you. Look at the goaltending situation. Thomas Grace veteran Varlamov veteran who else we got. Johnny Boy Chuck Andy Green you can go on and on a lot of veterans so it would have been another guy would have been someone who knows obviously Lula Morello very well and again. We're going to see what happens with that moving forward. It's obviously as a story that we're going to be watching very closely Then you got at scone. Egg Sal kind of glare auto. At first I was like yes Parisi but after I thought about it. Who Spot would he have taken? No thanks and those are the type of things really when I look to see what everybody else is thinking. It's always a mixed bag of emotions and I. I liked that I. I like going on the different message boards. I like going on read it. I liked to poke my my nose so to speak in into some of the conversations and I might say some stuff time to Tuck from time to time where you guys kind of question me and I had said something today even where it I had said you know now that we got Tasio I like the green trade even more and I didn't want to seem that I didn't like the Green Trade on. Its own you know and I was called out for that and I don't mind that I like to. I like to talk different avenues to kind of get involved in in different ways. Just another thing. I'm a fan at heart and I don't mind being called out I. I can back up certain things I I don't really take it to heart all that much or or to personally So it's great to see all the different reactions. You know that kind of role in then you have. David Strauss at Ari player lead is up on the roster and bellows is down so it would have been that third line wing over Michael Dell Com- RAV assuming that clutter wasn't included in one of those later to weren't on the fourth line Continue on here. People talking back and Forth Kevin Cosgrove at K. Cosmo ninety four the better today than they were yesterday. Bottomline Zach agrees which is at Zachary. Seven eight nine zero zero Let's see who else here. Joey Mena Cini at Mendocino. Joey agree I do think the parise thing will be revisited. I'll signed all their RFA's and Martin get Sarokin over. And I don't know if any big name free agent top six wants to come. I obviously again. That's another thing. We didn't really talk about Thomas. Greis is going to be an unrestricted free agent. Do they sign him to a one year deal or two year deal? Do THEY NOT Sarokin has seems like he was gonna come over and Friday. It seemed like that the islanders had traded his rights supposedly to Chicago. Suppose I had read you know and I don't know if this was an incarcerated Bob tweet or not. I am not sure Was Alex debrincat and Brandon. Saad for the rights to Sarokin. I would have thought maybe the Leonard would have come back. It would obviously raise some eyebrows in a lot of people had said the same thing on twitter ultimately not true. You had the the big Russian guy eager over there Shoot down right away. He's been spot on for all Russian things especially with Sarokin over the last couple of seasons so glad that that didn't happen but Sarokin obviously GONNA come in next year solidify the back end with Varlamov in. He's going to need a deal. So that's another thing you got going on overall lot. A lot of crazy fund things today and You know I guess. We'll we'll see if jeff and I get together. What other avenues we can get down and talk about some of the Games here Over the losing streak and the previous jeff four here where the islanders Kind of answered back. Got Two games in a row with it. They wanted home which was good to see Friday on Sunday so Thanks for listening. This is going to be a little short one just as your trade analysis so to speak and I mean hope you enjoyed it. This has been Michael Sherline with the aisles. Faithful podcast episode number. I don't even know what episode forty four of the twenty fourth and February let's go.

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2020 NHL Notable Free Agent Signings & Trades

Starcastic Remarks-The Only Dallas Stars Fan-Led Podcast

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2020 NHL Notable Free Agent Signings & Trades

"And and and off and and welcome back to sarcastic remarks the only Dallas Stars fan live podcast along with Chris Chambers. I'm Brian chapters. Today's episode is brought to you by cowboy. I was doing my segment and you just interrupted you didn't let me see how it so you just kind of Road. I'm going to finish it. Anyway, now today's episode is brought to you by Cowboys talk Dallas Cowboys discussion segment of the bearer of Texas podcast, Alex. Al-qazzaz AKA The Bear Texas will give his thoughts and takes of the Dallas Cowboys telling you the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth whether it's good or bad he will let you know all about America's team go and check him out. He's got a great podcast ain't going on and we are proud to be sponsored by him. Yeah, he gave a shout-out we give him a shout out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was cool. Anyways, bad Cowboys fan though. Okay. Continue. Yeah. Well, can we just let's talk about that for a second man. That poor guy sad. Okay moving on and no no. No, I got a mention more about him. He I mean he was literally on Pace to like break the passing yards record for the season and then everyone's all got all this hype about him and that he's doing really well this year and then that nasty I couldn't watch it more than once. I watched it once and then I forgot what network it was on whatever Network freaking it was on I kept replaying and replaying it and zooming in and like look at how bad this is. I'm just like dude stop so dead. Yeah, I just saw a picture of it and almost threw up. So yeah, I know it really well huge shout-out to him good luck to him and we'll be missing him for the rest of the season and I'm sure he'll come back and do just as well next season. Okay, anyways, so let's get to what we're going to talk about this evening. So we gotta Focus home. Yeah, we kind of focused in on the Stars a little bit and even from last week. It's kind of maybe I shouldn't be too concerned. But Gary and June and still have not been signed. Are you concerned at all or is that just a RFA thing? I think that's an RFP thing. I think actually happens a lot. I'm more excited about the fact that rock got signed so quickly. I think that was the bigger deal and he assigned now he is locked down and I think if we get Gary and hints like I think wage Easily will then I think the the offseason will be a success for the Stars. Yeah, and I mean we all knew that it was coming cuz he didn't file for arbitration. So long assumed that something was coming and then literally the day after we re-released the episodes like oh Fox, I signed a 5-year contract. All right, great and was just over three million which is about kind of where we expected it off lower than I thought actually so I agree with you. I have too much lower but he's still I think he could have gotten more but I'm glad he didn't take it. I think he could have gotten up to 84 million possibly depending on what seemed really needed a player of his caliber from his social media post. It seemed like he genuinely likes playing for Dallas. So I think after it's dead I don't I didn't see him going anywhere anyway, okay, so we talked about stars a little bit. I'm slightly worried about those two players, but at the same time, you know, we got a long time too. Get them figured out. What I want to talk about is some of the trades and some of the free-agent signings now that it's been a little over a week since free agency Hit Em boy was a weird with it starting on October 9th instead of July 1st, really strange. Anyways, we got a lot of signings to talk about. So I think a first player I'm going to mention in pretty obvious which was the big fish of this free-agent Market Alex pietrangelo petrol leaves the blues and he joins the golden knights with a seven-year contract 61.6 million dollars and it's an aav of about 8.8 and he gets the New Movement Claus. What do you think about that signing Christian? Good for the good for the nights. I guess they had they had they were one of the few teams that had the money still they freed up a little bit more money with some of the other trades and some of the other things they let go and I think Patricia is a great player. He should still stay great for seven more years. Like everyone's expecting him to keep playing to the caliber. He has been which has been outstanding. So it's a good signing for them over, but I don't think he ever wanted to leave Saint Louis to be honest with you, but I think it started kind of getting into his brain that he was not going to stay in Saint Louis after they went out and got Justin Faulk at the beginning of last season and they signed just default to an extension and he's kind of like, okay, where's my money going to come from if you are going to keep me and the answer is no we're right and and it didn't happen and then also on top of that. I guess that you know, they said oh, well, you know just because we signed Torey Krug. What was that? I think Chris is roommate is having a little bit too much fun out there. Anyways, I love college and now right in two ways. As Christians vs shoes across the room with the whole picture of thing after they signed Torey Krug. I think that was the end of the negotiations right there and back and say Louis came out and said, oh well just because we signed Torey Krug doesn't mean we can't sign pietrangelo to and like whatever whatever, you know, you were you were trying to get crude cuz you knew that Petra was going to go somewhere else. Yeah. Now this signing is getting a lot of heat right now, especially from Vegas which layers the Keurig one or the regular one know the other one crew. The crew one is great for for st. Louis because yeah, I think so too. They're not getting a huge caliber player like pietrangelo. Pietrangelo is a number one defenseman month, but Krug is a It's it's he's a good feeling for what they lost. Yeah. Well you get music anyway, so with pietrangelo there seems to be this thing in Vegas that it's more about business than anything, which is okay. That's fine, but they're not they're getting this like stigma Vegas has two there's not much money from the administration from the upper management to their players cuz like when they were talking about pietrangelo and getting him signed and that was the Big Bang worst kept secret for free agency. They were throwing out all these players that they were looking at about trading and eventually ended up being Nate Schmidt. They've moved out and we'll talk about that in a second and one of the trades I think that's a huge steel for Vancouver but his 5.9 million dollar cap hit got that moved out and moved up here. You Vancouver? But I mean there is like there was rumors that Pacioretty was going to be traded purchased possibly March or so, and obviously the flurry rumors were just left and right trying to get rid of them. And then also on top of that they were talking about Riley Smith possibly getting rid of him. So they've got this stigma to them. Now that Vegas is not loyal to their players home. So even though we may sign you to a three four five six year deal or whatever. You may not necessarily be here for all those years. Yeah. I took I guess is fine. But at the same time that it's giving them a bad reputation. What do you think is you think that's stupid? Yeah, I think it's stupid for the big guys. If if you're a big free-agent, you're actually worried about them moving you the NHL has this great thing but no movement Clause where they that's what petrol got so Petra got and that's what pretty much anyone who's going to sign their long-term could easily get and if you're a lousy player then you're going to be able to be moved around and that's going to happen if they can upgrade their player. They should do it like know who was the guy that they used his name the guy that yeah. No, it's the Schmidt. He's a good defenseman. He's a great man. Yeah, he's no pietrangelo. Yeah, but oh, well, let's talk about this on the flip side. So yes, obviously pietrangelo is the better defenseman over Nate Schmidt and that that's obvious. But don't you think that messes with the chemistry of the team next Met has been there from the very very beginning and he's been a big part of the reason why Vegas has been done. So well, it seems existed for three whole years. So I think there's a chemistry in the team yet like in signing a big guy that all that says to the other guys in a dressing room is dead or giving you guys to win go win. So I I understand the argument from chemistry and stuff and it's fun to think about guys playing with guys that they like to play with em, but if you're getting a better hockey player and you're still on the nights, you're happy about it. You think that guy gives you a better chance to win which I think he does then you're happy. All right. Well, that's a that's a good segment for the golden knights. I'm kind of on the opposite side of view. I kind of think that it's going to mess with their chemistry. But I think we saw that with the playoff series against the start there. There are some chemistry issues there that with all these big names that they brought in Pat ready and stolen phone and now pietrangelo and I think it's just going to screw with their screw with her chemistry a little bit. I mean it got them to the Conference finals against Jews and yet and honestly two years ago, they probably should have been in the Conference Finals or the Stanley Cup Final. Yeah, San Jose was gifted. They were gifted that Conference Final Four when you get kill penalties, aren't you know, but whatever where that's about that. Yeah talking about that then coding again. The nights have been good. For all three years, honestly, I think last last year's team was better than even the previous to even the Stanley Cup Final team. If it just hit a rough spot and play at all. But yeah, I thought the attacks you. Yeah, the Caps would not be denied that you're either. Okay, anyways, so let's go to the let's go to another free agent that was available this year Torey Krug signs with the blues at for seven years at forty five point five million dollars. So that is a significantly smaller cap hit then pietrangelo. Do you think this is a good move by the st. Louis Blues game? I love that trade by the Earth at signing by the blues. It's really it's really a good one. Cuz Krug isn't known as a bigger defenseman like Patricia. Patricia is a little bit bigger. So he's more of a well-rounded defenseman. So he's been endorsed candidate so many times but crude can make plays. So I think that's going to be a really exciting addition to a very structured blue steam heated Sparks them whenever the teams in a rut which we have seen happen multiple times. So if his team is on a long losing streak he can he give you one of the guys to pull them out of it. So I think it's a good signing. Definitely a huge discount lets you get more depth on the backend that they already have and they can keep that going. There are some really funny stuff on Twitter that was going on. So if for those of you that don't remember back in the 2019 Stanley Cup Final win state Lewis was playing against Boston College Krug really angered all of st. Louis with his big open Heights ice hit on the blue Center Robert Thomas, and there was a lot of speculation about that with monster hit that there should have been like a charging penalty or something like that. And then later on on October 9th after crude signed in in Saint Louis Robert Thomas dead posted on Twitter. He's like did we just become best friends question mark and it's got a picture of him hitting Robert Thomas. Absolutely. Awesome. I love hockey players when they do stuff like that. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Like I could very easily be still angry at crude. But like he like, okay, we got a guy you could help us win. He's happy like that. That's how hockey players work if they're getting closer to winning a Stanley Cup. They're happy right agreed. You're getting paid that too. Yeah, seriously. Okay. Now let's talk about another free agent that completely shocked everybody. I feel like Taylor Hall. Yeah, what the heck goes Cove it is right that means point. He goes to of all places of all places. He's just that really needed somebody like this to help them get their mood up and help them a little bit. He goes to the Buffalo sauber's for one year at eight million dollars, but they were doing what I don't know. I don't know. What are they doing? They don't have a team. They have a guy who they're trying to build it around and they're like, you know, we could do we just feel better about ourselves an extension Taylor Hall for one year like what are like right now? Yeah, that's what it felt. Like they did. They were like Hey Taylor Hall's willing to sign a one-year deal. Why don't we do that? It just seems so stupid like well what that tells me is that the market that Taylor Hall was expecting for himself was not there. So maybe Thursday Money was there from from certain teams, maybe several teams gave him like seven million or eight million or 6 and 1/2 or whatever but that the term was definitely not there. It's a fine deal for Hall especially worth trying to wait for next season to see if the economy gets a quick bounce back in the cap can go back up quicker than expected. Right? Like what is Buffalo doing? Yeah. I thought about that when I first heard it, I went on Melody Martin's YouTube channel, cuz she's a huge Buffalo Sabres. Buffalo Bills fan. If you haven't seen her YouTube video or her YouTube channel go check it out. She's really good and and her videos are great, but she was really confused too. But it makes a lot of sense this signing does and it makes more sense now that I've looked into it. So first of all, the one laid first first off, it's a one-year deal, right? So the bad parts that's one of the bad it's beneficial for both teams because it gets some I think the Buffalo wants it to be long-term and I think they want it to Thursday. Maybe not maybe not eight years, but definitely longer than that. But here's the the upside for Hall he gets to play for Ralph Krueger. So Ralph Krueger was his name was his coach when he was in Edmonton before he got traded to New Jersey and he felt like he learned a lot under Ralph Krueger and he liked Ralph Krueger. So that's one although what's Buffalo doing? Well, but I thought okay. Well and again, here's here's another thing for hall for Hall. It allows him to get to play with arguably one of the best centers in the game in Jack eichel. If you're Jack eichel you love this deal. This is great because you get to play with a player of arguably his same caliber in his strong talent and Superstar status and stuff like that. And you know, if you're the Buffalo Sabres then you get a year of this guy. I mean, there's no risk to it at all. I mean for the job Million dollars. Yeah, but they had the Gap they had the cap and they were like, well, you're supposed to they need to spit the cap on someone who can help Michael for more than a year. Yeah, but that's wage. I mean why not spent I mean why not spend it on a guy like Taylor Hall and convince him and convince Jack eichel that hey, we're really trying we're really trying to get to the next step and I feel really bad for Sabres fans because it that franchises just in a whack job, but then yeah their lack of em. Yeah. That's that is a very good point. They're wasting it Cycles years kind of just like Edmonton is just step Edmondson had a good year this year. They just sucked in the bubble playoffs and that's not the way for the suburbs. So I need to stop saying cybersource Neighbors. Like I just wish they would have picked up a younger guy who was a free agent who could have proven himself or even an older guy like like Clifford pick up Kyle Clifford. That's the guy who has played well in the past who could play well with Michael like there was other guys that could have played with him, but just it doesn't make sense to you Millions a lot of money for one year. So I think I think it's great. I think it's a great signing for both sides. I really do great learning for Taylor Hall and I think the Sabres are once again dumb. I mean unless they sign unless they're planning on signing him next year in like Taylor Hall gave them like Mom said that he's most likely going to do that. But like at I don't know. Well, I think it's great. I really do first think bad hot pink hot pink just left it at that Chris think bad writing good into a story. Okay? All right, and then this one's not really a free agent signing but we're just going to go ahead and mention it. Oh big surprise. Guess we re-signed with the golden knights their goaltender Robin lehner at the exact term and dollar amount that was mentioned back when he was still playing. So the the five years at twenty-five million dollars is exactly what he signs for. Good signing. Yeah. I think it's good for both of them. I mean the only person that kind of sucks for a flurry, but I think Vegas now has the second best goalie tending the league in Robin lehner and Fleury. I think Dallas is still first there, but they're going to have a great goaltending no matter who's in net. So back to the next they should have a good record off. Yeah, I think that's a good signing for them. Lots of money and goaltending right now though. Yeah for a lot of teams actually speaking of a lot of money on both ending goaltending wins a lot of games from Montreal just go ask Montreal what's going on. They went out and traded for Jake Allen. So they're spending a lot more money this year than they will next year. They sign they ended check out Jacqueline Jake Allen to a two year. I think it was like two and half million something like that. So A good signing for them. So, I mean, there's another good tandem. Here's another one Tyler toffoli Tyler toffoli. He goes to Montreal for a four year 17 million dollar contract. Yay, or nay? I mean again, I don't. The Canadians just they don't have any depth behind them. They're not building any guys up all their fans are saying they are but no, not really. I'm not seeing it at all and it's always all right. He's a good second liner, but I don't know. It's a it's a weird deal and we're going to talk about another wheel. We're deal that the Canadians do later but Canadians and buffalo confusing me. I think I think this is a great song other than the other one that we're hinting at. Tyler toffoli is a proven playoff performer. He did that with Los Angeles and I think that's what Montreal needs. I think they showed in the bubble playoffs that they're a better team than people give them credit for And the specifically Kenya me and Suzuki really, you know kind of shown in the playoffs. So there I think that's why the Canadians have been really really active in this offseason. I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's keep talking. Okay, Jacob markstrom goaltender. He signs a six-year deal with the Flames month for 36 million dollars. Yeah. I think that's a great deal for both sides. I think Marshalls getting paid. I think the Flames are patching what they don't have which is defense, So Mark service getting thrown into the fire. Wow. Wow. Wow, and you sit here and make fun of my jokes until tell me how stupid I am with my funny know what it was like that was a stray dad joke, you're still you're still nineteen. You're not allowed to say stuff like that so funny dog. Okay, what do you think about it? I think it's great. But like you said March them gets paid he goes from like a 3.46 or something like that cap hit and he makes almost double that in Calgary. So that's great for him. And I think this gives Calgary the first real number one goaltender since miikka kiprusoff retired back in 2013. So they haven't really had a great goaltender. I mean they had like the David Riddick and the cam Talbot and stuff like that who signed in Minnesota, by the way, in fact of team, which I'm kind of like wait what Minnesota is another team that's kind of all over the place talking. So, okay anyway, so that's Jacob markstrom. So another speaking of the Flames off TJ Brodie TJ Brodie of the Flames. He's a really good power play quarterback. He signs with the Maple Leafs for four years at twenty million dollars. So that's $5 a month. 5 million a a v what do you think of that sign? Pretty good? I mean, I think the Maple Leafs just keep taking stuff throwing it at the wall and see if it sticks and shove doesn't break it off pick some more up and throw it back at the wall. Right? I mean that's what keeps happening maybe I mean, he's a good player. I think it's a fine signing but I like the Maple Leaves aren't it's not obvious what they're building right there. Just kind of Going for it. Right? Right. Let's see who else is on this list. If we could talk about let's talk about some of the Golden Bears that have moved around. It was a goalie musical chairs this year and free agency cam Talbot goes to the Minnesota Wild and Minnesota Wild get him for three years at 11 million per so that's a little over 3 million per year. What do you think? Yeah, I'm kind of the same. It isn't upgrade over Devan dubnyk who got traded but I'm only kinda hey, I only kinda now. I really like this next goaltender signing. So Braden holtby goes to the Canucks for two years at eight point six million total. So that's four point three per year. I think this is a great signing. I know that a lot of Vancouver fans are really upset with the whole, you know, we lost markstrom. We lost stature. We lost ten Ave and you know, losing all these other players and markstrom but you know, this is not a bad, you know consult. What's what's the word? I'm thinking of Chris consolidation price consolation consolation prize. Sorry, that's validation birth. Consolidate. Oh good lord. Okay consolation prize. So hopefully is a good goaltender, right? Yeah. Now the situation there in Vancouver is going to be really weird with the whole one a one B thing with Demko, but obviously Demko is looked at as being the next. All right, and he's already good enough to be a starter in my opinion. I think he showed that in the play-offs here. We saw we saw some of it. Yeah, that was incredible If he if he plays like that that definitely but like yeah, but now now what the great thing about the Braden holtby signing is that if he is not ready for that Demko then Braden holtby is more than capable of stepping in and being that number one starter pack. He's the security blanket. Yep, and he's he's also able to teach Demko Yeah how to be better professional and I mean, he's a Stanley cup-winning goaltender. He only he won the cup only two years ago. It wasn't that long ago that he wanted the cut so he knows what it takes to get there. So I really like the song by Vancouver. Okay. I think that's enough for for free agent signings. I mean there's a ton of them on here. But but this a couple more notables that have not been signed yet as of now, October 18th at 11 p.m. Ilya Kovalchuk. Mike. Coffman still has not been signed which that really surprises me my coffin same Mikael Granlund Drive is ham and egg. That's a really good defenseman Eric Holla. I mean, there's a lot of good players on this, you know group that still have not been signed yet. Now, this is going to be a weird one for for me. There's there's actually two more I want to mention cuz I'm looking further down this list wage. And it's some really old guys going to teams and it's going to look really weird to see them in different colors first off another goaltender. Henrik Lundqvist, where does he go? He goes to the capitals. That's going to be weird. Yeah, that that's weird that's going to be so weird to see him in red white and blue and of all things playing with Samsung off and signed already wearing red right blue. You just wearing more red now. Yeah, it's just weird but like well their version of red white and blue so he gets signed to a one-year and I think it was one point five million remember correctly. Yep, 1.5 million good signing bad signing. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, we needed a goalie will take like with yep. Yeah that works sure that's significantly less than is 8.5 million right that he was making a little bit probably. All right, and then this is going to be the weirdest weirdest of them all and this one just happened a couple of days ago. Jumbo Joe of all people he decides to leave San Jose and he's going to the Toronto Maple Leafs for one year at league minimum $700,000. What do you think of that? Sure. I mean it's like what like what's he going to do? Probably nothing. But my thing is is that they've already got Jason spezza. Well, you got old guys now get two old guys on on your fourth line sounds good to me now. I honestly I'm I'm starting to stores. I know right? They're starting to get in being older team now. Well, I'll hang on to that but when we get to the next segment, okay, so a couple trades that we're going to talk about looking at the bottom of this trade. I think the biggest trade that the first big trade that happened. Is that the Columbus Blue Jackets traded Max Domi a 2020 third-round pick to the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for Josh Anderson. So it seems like we're both are FAS That's right traded to each other cuz they weren't going to SAI. So that's why they traded Hagen go well with the this this trade really confused me. Cuz first off I think Max Domi is a better forward over Josh Anderson agree. And then and then Columbus also got Max Domi along with a 2020 third-round pink confused. So I mean third-round picks don't really have a good chance of making the brakes are pretty good but they can be right. Yeah, they have like a twelve thirteen percent chance of making the NHL that's typically the odds are they see, but what was even more confusing is what happened, so max Domi signed a two-year contract for about five point three a a v I think that's about right. And then Josh Anderson. What on Earth is Mark burrowes have been thinking he signed Josh? He signs Josh Anderson to a 5.58 AV contract first Heaven years seven years. This is a guy who has been hurt recently. And he I think he played he got had like seven points last year cuz you missed most of the Season hanging out good. I understand that the season before he scored 27 goals, he and he did he played great. But that's a lot of risk considering the guy was hurt for most of the season last year, especially for seven years. That's the that's a big number. Yeah, just crazy and my opinion. I don't know what on Earth he's thinking and yeah, this this leads me to my conclusion that the Canadians are stupid and that they're going to get you home. They're going to continue to do the big suck and be bad for a long times. It'll be bad for long times. Like there's there's no like, how did the Blue Jackets get a third-round pick out of them? Yeah, like ever been like Germany and got yeah like like Ian Anderson is the same guy except domi's better cuz he played more recently and it's a safer pick wage. I don't get it. I really don't see a person. Go figure and I think it would have been okay if Max Domi had been traded for Josh Anderson, but the fact that Columbus also got a you know, a draft pick out of it is just walk in st. To me just dumb Canadian stupid. Yeah victim. All right. Well, let's go to a good move in my opinion. So Ottawa gets goaltender Matt Murray from the Pittsburgh Penguins in exchange for forward Johnson Gruden, who is a decent. Yeah. I mean, he's I don't know if he's going to make the NHL or not and then Thursday 20 20 second round pick. So this deal was made at the NHL draft and I think that's a great move for Ottawa. I mean, especially after you know, Craig Anderson, that's the end of his career more than likely I don't think he's going to sign anywhere else. But I mean, we all think of Matt Murray being like this old guy. He's but he's not he's he's just been around for forever. He's been around for five six years, maybe five years. Yeah, maybe years and he's only 26 Only twenty-six so he's not that old. So I mean, I don't know who thought he was old. I didn't think it was old. There were some people are and I'm just thinking like why are they trade Fuller's old guy? It's like he's not that old. So not only are they getting a guy who's young but they're also getting a guy who has won two Stanley Cups back to back in his first two years so he knows what it takes to get there. But I think this is I think it's really good trade. I think it's going to be well, I think the best case scenario for the Senators is it's another situation like we had with Lebanon. So Lenin was kind of he played well the beginning of his career, but they kind of got washed up and couldn't get a groove right off. Hopefully he can restart in Ottawa and he can find what he had the beginning of his career and just figured right up and get going again. That would be the best case scenario for for both of them so long. It's a I think it's a good good trade. Different penguins do they get some nice stuff? They didn't Marie's time was done in in Pittsburgh. That was kind of obvious to everyone who was there especially the way the season ended they had they had to change something. Marie was an obvious problem throughout the regular season two, he wasn't playing up to the caliper that a championship team needs which the Penguins still are if they get if they get enough a good goalie in there quickly, but well, they've got church and Jerry which and they signed him to a three-year extension and everything. But I think this is how I forget their their General manager's name. I think his name is Jim Rutherford, but I think this is They're starting to realize that hey, these guys are getting older and they're I mean, you know, this is one of their last chances to get a cup again with this core with you know, the mall kinnan the Letang and the Crosby and you know, all those players. This is one of their last chances to get that. Yeah, so I think that's true. All right. So let's talk about another good another good trade. And yeah guys, by the way, there's a lot more trades that I'm not saying but this isn't the sake of time cuz we could be here for three hours talking to go or not going to talk about all this. Both of them are boring. Yep, but one of the ones that I wanted to point out was the LA Kings were requiring liya Sanderson from the New York Rangers in exchange for a 2020 sixth-round pick. So that was also done during the second day of the NHL draft and why is Sanderson for those of you that don't know he has had a rough time in New York and he dead Hated being there. He was their first round pick several years ago, and he just wanted to get out of new New York and with Los Angeles has you know the way that they're built I think out of all the California teams. I think they're the one that's going to bounce back the quickest out of those all three of those teams. And I think this is just another piece another Young Piece for them to build their excuse me build their core around and Los Angeles with by field and you know, they've got all these other young guys that are coming up. So watch out for me. What do you think Chris? I don't know enough about the situation. I defer to you right listen to him. All right, let's see here. Okay, here's here's a a return to Winnipeg. So Winnipeg acquires Center Paul Stastny from the BG case in exchange for defenseman Carl Dahlstrom and a 2022 conditional fourth-round draft pick. I hate conditional picks. Those are so stupid. I wish they would just be like Jim. We're giving you a yes. They got rid of them in the back to the new CBA. So I'm thankful for that. Anyways, not what we're talking about. So Paul Stastny returns to Winnipeg which one works like he's going to be there second line Center again and Vegas get some Copperleaf, which at that time they were trying to entice petrol to come to Vegas club. So so you think this is a good move for both teams? I think I think it is. It reminds me a lot of actually about the about the stars with oleksiak. You gotta you gotta get sent away. I mean the Jets didn't send him away this time, but they let him go, you know, but and then it comes back hopefully better which I think he's better. So he's a little bit older guy then oleksiak is I think he's in his he's got the experience now mid-thirties. Yeah, and you know, honestly Winnipeg is starting to look like a scary team again. I'm already were scary team but not even not this year not going to bed. But but they're they're bolstering their defense more and you know, we all said, oh their defense is going to suck this year and it actually wasn't that bad. Now part of that was Connor hellebuyck, but still Neal pionk still did really well in Winnipeg this year. So, okay. Yep. Gosh, there's like okay, there's there's about four or more that I want to talk about. Okay, so the devil's get Andre Johnson from Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for forward Joakim person. This is just Kyle dubas trying to reframe the bottom six for Toronto. They had too many top six forwards Andre Johnson is not directed to be a top-six forward and I think they just needed to also move some cap and some money out to get some cap relief and boy has Toronto been busy this month or two waiting Chris not Yeah, this is again Toronto picking up the stuff and throwing it at the wall and scraping some of it off. So, yep, seeing what sticks Colorado gave Brandon Saad in exchange and defenseman Dennis Gilbert from Chicago and exchange for defenseman. Nikita's is a door off and an Tomlin home. So Brandon Saad is going to Colorado. It's not like Colorado needed any more freakin offensive Firepower. Now, they've got another top-six forward and it's just an insult saying the the amount of moves that Colorado has done and how well they have picked up some some players. That was a good one for Colorado. I think there was also some nights there was talk about Chicago Blackhawks players very much not liking this trade if that if I'm thinking about that, correct, is that right? Right. You're correct. Jonathan taze was not happy with especially the fact that Corey Crawford was You know allowed to leave to go where you go new New Jersey. Yeah, something like that. But and yeah, he was not happy with the direction of this team is going apparently. Yeah, I think I think the Blackhawks are finally finally conceding. I think that's a this offseason is showing that they're kind of they're kind of going to go down into the bunker and start rebuilding that team. So, we'll see if some other big stuff happens from from them if they completely blow it up, but I think they're done for now. Well, we'll see if they have any kind of decent hockey team left of speaking of Colorado freaking Colorado. Not only did they go out and get a top-six forward, but they also went out and got the volunteers ye from the New York Islanders and I love davantes. He's I mean, he would I would love to see him in Dallas. Obviously, that's not going to happen at least now in, Colorado. But he is in Colorado and I think davantes is a huge upgrade over Nikita. Zadorov. Now don't get me wrong. Dourif was a very good defenseman for Colorado. But you know divorce is just an upgrade on that and all they gave up was were to second round draft picks. So they didn't they didn't even give up a first-round draft pick they gave up to second round draft picks for collar off the car audited for davantes. So goodness gracious, man. I don't like Colorado anymore. They're hiring. I know they're I think I think they're really ticked off that they lost to us and they were like, we're going to make quadruple sure that nothing happens this year after the battle for the the central conference if it's still the central conference this season is going to be mad tough. Yeah, I can't believe maybe I'll talk about at the end of this podcast but that for another podcast. Yep. So last defenseman or last defensive and last trade for a defenseman a last trade will mention we already kind of mentioned it but Vancouver required defenseman Nate Schmidt from the VG case in exchange for a 2022 third-round draft pick now in the office. In the depth chart for the Vancouver Canucks some have projected him to be on the second pairing and I'm just like no, he's he's a first pairing defenseman for Vancouver. He's going to play with Quinn Hughes. And honestly, that is highway robbery for for Vancouver to only give up a third-round pick and I know they lost out on Choice nature and Chris tanev, but they got a huge upgrade and Nate Schmidt. He's a great defenseman. Yeah, I like that for the Canucks. It's it's a good trade for a team that needed wage of money. So they took advantage of that situation well, and I think they should be very happy with that. So if you had to pick your most improved team on paper this offseason. Who are you picking that will you see the most Improvement? What do you think scarily the Colorado Avalanche? They're dead. It's not fair. And they and they still have freaking cap space. Yeah, they still have cap space. I don't know like are they paying their players like peanuts or I don't I don't know how they're have such good players playing hockey for them. But yeah it frustrating wage band that held ours that helps when Nathan MacKinnon. I think he's only making like six million dollars six six an hour something like that. I know but I mean she consider like like look at the big four in Toronto. Yeah. Yeah, I mean like and he's better than all of those players. He's better than than Jonathan Tavares and Mitch Marner in auston. Matthews should be too. At the same time, right? Exactly and you sitting here getting six and half million. So okay, he's going to deal. Yeah. Well, that's that's for another one with the engine off. Yeah, right. Okay, just cuz I'm curious. What do you think? He's going to get too much? I'm looking Maybe. Between six and eight million. I was thinking eight. Really. Yeah between six and eight million probably seven. I would think I think eight so he's only get better and it's scary and if you're going to sign them for that amount of money, you better sign up for for eight years Jim Nill. I hope you're listening to us. We're telling you how to do your drum off. Okay, and then I think my most improved team that I'm actually really excited to To watch and I met actually root for him just because of who they have. Toronto You're going to refer to Ron. Oh, I'm going to root for Toronto. No, man, Kyle Dumas rap on a wall team know I know a lot a lot of people make fun of Toronto for 4. That's where people go to have died for his Stanley Cup, but they got a lot of great pieces this offseason. They didn't change their big for they kept their big for around now, they got rid of capping and they got rid of several other other players and they've got some issues as well. They still have to sign makeev who is also projected to be a top-nine forward possibly a top-six. But I mean, I got a root for him and God, I mean, I think they're they're the most improved because they calaboose went out and he tried to fix his bottom 6 and I think on paper he did that now we're just gonna have to wait and see what happens. And in this when the if and or when the season starts they still can't play defense, but the but but they went out and they got a couple of defensemen and I mean, it'd be the same team where would have to score five goals of game to win. So I I just I disagree with that and I think that you know with all the players that they had their different there D course completely different wage is a good thing compared to last year last year words different keyword different not best. We don't know it was it was definitely a better. I think it's better. I think they're going to do better and their bottom 640 better. They got Wayne Simmonds. They've got Joe Thornton and I think I'm just going to root for them because they've got Jason spezza and Joe Thornton and neither one of those poor guys. Neither. One of them has a Stanley Cup home and I yeah, neither one of them do yeah. Yeah jumbo jokes poor guy know he doesn't cuz he he he played in Ottawa for too long and then he came to Dallas and Dallas. Yep. Wasn't up there yet. They were on their way up there, but they weren't there yet. And then Albert at all. Yeah. Well his first couple of years he did. He had like a 30-goal season tickets first or second second year, but whatever. I think I think that's my most improved team. And I think I'm going to be rooting for them a lot. I believe I'm going to be rooting for Toronto Thursday. I'm jumping on the bandwagon. All right guys, I think that's it Chris you got anything else to say before we log off? Thanks and gig'em gig'em. All right, guys, this has been Starcaster, March the only Dallas Stars fan LED podcast. 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Ovi-Mania, Sean Couturier

ESPN On Ice with Wyshynski and Kaplan Show

52:05 min | 1 year ago

Ovi-Mania, Sean Couturier

"Hamilton Hey Greg I don't know if you know or if you've been following current events but this week a controversial public figure figure was acquitted to a lot of publicity and stoking a lot of anger and I mean some people about the impeachment hearings on this podcast. Oh no I'm at Gritty Philadelphia Flyers Mascot Gritty He. He was accused of physically assaulting a teen during a photo session. Last year and Philadelphia Philadelphia. Police finally finally freed from their persecuting persecuting. People who climbed telephone poles during the Eagles Super Bowl parade have announced that they will not they did not find any evidence evidence that again. We talk about this again. How they keep referring to gritty is a real thing Philadelphia? Police announced Monday. That investigators did not find any evidence that flyers mascot I got greedy physically assaulted a team during a photo session at no point in this story from ABC. Six Action News. That say who's in the suit that they say that it's like actual person inside. The sentient being gritty thing from the local Philadelphia media is either completely irresponsible or ample evidence that this is actually a creature they found underneath wells Fargo Center at some point and they're just decided to make the mascot my take as I think it's fascinating that John when you read all the quotes of the story it's always the Philadelphia flyers commenting on them or their parent company Comcast Spectator and wonder who owns the rights to grady and it has to be them and this poor guy probably who's doing the mascot has a great tell all to do one day and sold his rights away he doesn't own persona inside inside had the great the the gritty inside of my life as a flyers mascot. I'm just trying to figure out what the titles going to be. Yes agreed he is acquitted or the person inside. The suit has a quick I. My working theory is it's Bobby Clark inside the suit and then they just don't want to reveal to the world that flyers legend Bobby Clark seventy seventy eighty some odd year old bobby Clark inside the suit because there has to be some reason why we haven't actually heard a person's name yet. They want us to know that. But it's just all about the long play like never reveal we get in two thousand twenty four. The Philadelphia Flyers issued the following response to the announcement. We are pleased that the Philadelphia Police Department concluded there was no merit to the alleged edged claim. The Police Department Statement Confirms Our thorough internal investigation that found no evidence of the described actions. Ever having taken place. I can only hope that means that like like head of Flyer. Security was sitting in an office with the guy in the gritty suit across them. Would you punch that kid. British shrugs. Confetti us all right so greedy acquitted everybody go back to being Matt Gritty for stealing other mascots. Bits coming up on. ESPN and is this week. My goodness speaking of the flyers shonky Syria selke trophy. The leader on the awards. Watch this year will join us. Talk about the flyers playoff chances and much much more Also Alex Ovechkin 's breaking records left often right and a look at the trade deadline. These Avi bubble teams all that more on this edition of ESPN on Ice List to show proper shelly from the ice to your your pods. A podcast about hockey featuring things to do with hockey from your friends at Espn it's ESPN ESPN on ice with Shitski and Kaplan ESPN and ice podcast. ESPN VM talks about hockey. I'm Greg Senior. Nhl Writer and then Lee Caplin National Nhl reporter. And and Emily as we do the show. This week we are staring down at the precipice of history or staring up. Where's the precipice exactly really? Is it above us right in the middle right in the middle. We're maybe we could be I level at the precipice of history depends on I. I think the world is flat around. Oh well that's a whole different podcast. Let me tell you right now because anyways Alex Ovechkin with fourteen goals in seven games is bumping right up against breaking that seven hundred goal. Mark that we've been wondering when he's GonNa break for some weeks now just an insane amount of goals being put into the net by the great three hat tricks in the last month. You know normal ovechkin stuff only seven players in NHL history have broken seven hundred goals scored Son since Yom your Yager did it. Obviously he's number three all time. Probably be number one all time. We're not for lockouts the cage L.. But that's other podcasts. As well Alex Ovechkin six ninety eight as we do the PODCAST GONNA break. Seven hundred could probably pass Mike Gartner seven hundred eight this season as well. Your thoughts on the Ovechkin goal orgy or Gorji as it were. I'm almost shocked. That isn't getting more attention. I almost wonder if he become desensitized by what he did. You know we're recording this Wednesday Morning Tuesday night against the Kings was just absurd. His team is losing to the lowly kings in the third period. He scores the equalizer. He scores the game winner and then he seals it with this like no look empty Nester all in the span of four minutes and twenty four seconds and in the past month. He's he's passed quite a few names on the goal scoring list. Like Lemieux Eiser Messa and it almost feels like each just like Ma- because this guy has gotten too many milestones and maybe because people are saying okay he's still about two hundred from the big milestone which is passing Gretzky. And what what should we save our enthusiasm for but it almost feels like we don't know quite how the celebrate Hemmer we're not celebrating improperly. But what he's doing is quite incredible because let's remember this is his age thirty four season and he's on pace for sixty one goals and three years ago everyone including his own general manager. We're suggesting that he was has done and being able to adapt his game to fit the modern. NHL Yeah and your point of the stats is right. I talked to John. Carlson at the All Star game about that and he said you know like he does so many incredible things to typically that now we treat it as normal and we probably shouldn't and it's the truth. I mean you know. It becomes pedestrian Austrian when Ovechkin scored sixty goals and it shouldn't be because he's doing it within an era where you shouldn't be able to do the things that he's doing on a year by year basis and and Gretzky's says much as that to say that you know back in the Nineteen Eighty S. Yeah it was pretty easy to do what I did. It was pretty easy to amass the amount of goals that I did. When you're dealing with the defense that you're playing we're dealing with the goaltending playing with you're dealing with the style of play that you're playing when you're dealing with the number of teams the league that you're playing I mean for goodness sakes expansion has mattered as far as you know travel in in any number of other implications but The fact that Ovechkin is done in the modern era against this kind of goaltending is just remarkable. It's remarkable and I don't I was talking to this about. I was was talking to someone about this the other day like I think he's going to break the record. I think he's going to catch Gretzky if he doesn't he's GonNa Pass Gordy Howe and Gordie Al Right now right now. I mean he's GonNa stay. There is eight hundred and one goal and eight ninety four so ovechkin now so you know by the end of the season is going to be well less than a hundred goes away from Gordie Howe so I think he's going to catch for sure I think he's GonNa Catch Gretzky. We're probably not GONNA be able to really conceptualize what Ovechkin 's accomplished probably until his hall of fame induction. Like we'll know what the raw numbers are Dr. He'll be celebrated. He'll get lots of prizes and gifts and cars in golden sticks and all kinds of stuff for what he's accomplished but until we really look back at this era era and see how damn hard it is for a lot of guys that do would ovechkin. Does almost effortlessly is going to really really be the moment when we we understand his accomplishment. Now you mentioned a bunch of guys that he's passed on the goalscoring rankings. Your Team USA. Lada your Steverman your Mark Messier. All three of those players have something in common. They all congratulated Alex. Ovechkin Mario lemieux conspicuously absent in his sending accolades to a veteran. Either through social media or recorded message or anything of that nature is that just is that just trying to keep the penguins capitals rivalry stoked inning. Mario's bitter that Alex redskins past them on the goring the school scoring rankings. Maybe it's just one of those classy things we did it behind the scenes and we just don't know One thing that I find interesting though is when I went to Russia you said I'm really curious what the Russian perspective is of of Alex. Ovechkin can you should asking people about that and I had a really interesting conversation with the MSCI Tershenko who at the time was the president of the Cage L.. And I just want to go on a slight eight tangent here because this was hilarious You know as you guys know. I was in Moscow recently to cover the cage all star game and do a couple of stories there and they gave me a big sit down the cage held president and I thought it was awesome and he gave me some incredible quotes and he was my main source and all of these stories but You know in journalism. I couldn't write any stories while I was there as a tourist visas as a so I came home and wrote all by stories and literally the day I land. I find out that this guy resigned. Because he's now a part of Putin's new government he's a deputy prime minister literally part of who which yeah maybe gives us more way tally of his quotes. WHO's to say anyway? I asked him. Oh how active are you going to be in recruiting Alex so vegetables to finish his career in the cage l.. And he said something which I actually heard echoed by a lot of Russians when I was there and he's like you know from everything I understand. He's one the most popular and famous sports celebrities in America. He's really risen to that level so I think that he the better ambassador over there error than he would be over here and I think they take a lot of pride in that and and in their understanding it I do believe it to be true. Like he's a transcendent sports figure here. And he's being being a good Russian ambassador for all things Russia. That's very interesting. He's going to break the record for sure if he's on. Thanks for sixty one goals in his age. Thirty four season is showing no signs of slowing down to look at his hockey reference page to see his lowest goal. All total was thirty three goals in the last couple of years and that was like whatever it was like. Oh He's washed up and since then. He scored forty nine fifty one again on pace for sixty one. So yeah he's going to Gretzky's he's record in less. Bill comes back to coach the capitals and he wants to start blocking shots again instead of scoring goals. Yeah that's point no and also I would say that you know the durability he is the real the real key here unless he's skipping all star game. He's he's playing and it's been I mean. The Russian machine never breaks thing thing has been a mean for like a decade but it's accurate and it's incredible to watch. I also think the one education I got an Ovechkin in reading the story. That's going to publish if and when he breaks. Seven hundred is well. You know it's like it's like when our editors get mad at us for Calling People Future Hall of famers like how do you know maybe the league will fold so anyways in talking to some of the best goal scorers of all time. The also the same thing about a veteran with regard to the the Gretzky's which is that if he was just a guy who scored goals maybe think that the numbers would decline line. Maybe you're worried about him actually catching him. But it's the way he scores them. It's the mechanics of that shot on the power play or are you know from the office from the Lovie spot from the left circle and everybody knows where it's coming from and everybody knows how he's shooting it and for fifteen years. No one's been able to stop it and all these guys. There was Patrick Kane or whoever also said the same thing which is that the mechanics of that shot means. He's GonNa break. He's got a very good chance at least to break the record because it's not as if he's relying on on blazing speed you know he's not like you know Powell beret out there like nick. He is somebody who has this incredible Arrow in his quiver and it keeps firing firing firing and he hits the Bullseye every time. And and that's the difference between his assault on this record and maybe someone else's that when we get to thirty eight or thirty nine might not necessarily have the skill set to keep scoring goals. I thought that was a really great point point. Honestly I can't help but think of Connor mcdavid and everything we've learned about his injury this off season and not how fragile he he is but just how quick like there was a chance to watch mcdavid documentary that he wasn't going to play this year and his career was totally in jeopardy. And you you know you just realize how dependent he is on his speed and mobility. And that's not something that will veterans had to rely on. I'm going to end with this question because that was asked about it by our friends. The curtain bloggers Vancouver Radio this morning and I thought it was interesting. One ovechkin breaks record. It all expect. Expect this ladies and gentlemen does that. Change the dynamic of the Crosby ovechkin rivalry. There's a veteran. Become the better player. If you sets the all time goals record you know I think technically yes he should. But I do still think that Russian stigma. And there's some kind of enigma. Or I don't know what it is. You know phobia. Maybe we'll call that but we always you. The North American is better and more complete and look crosby's and more complete player right. He's better defensively. That are all around game but lake. He's just been more dominant. Yes yes and North America. Let's zoom in on the map little bit and say Canada The the interesting dynamic there is that along with crosby always always being treated as the more complete player which speaks to a larger debate about whether we have a bias toward centers in this league over wingers. That's AH insurmountable like we talk about it with the selke every year remarks don't can't win the Selke. 'cause he's not a center. And you think back to the time when Brett Hull was the best goalscorer an all hockey and how he was never in the conversation with is Lake Mary O or is remained or messier as far as like like best player in the League because hugest Cena's goalscorer so that's that's a different debate. The thing I find it fascinating about this is that I think crosby narrative Lee Lee has always been the guy who led his teams to great heights gold medals three Stanley Cups. What have you and a veteran was always seen as the player of great individual accomplishment whose teams maybe didn't go to great heights now that obviously change the minute the caps won the cup and he won the Conn smyth did? Did it change enough to where. That's not necessarily going to be the narrative when all of a sudden between these two players. I don't know it's it's I I know. People people love to talk about how they have crosby veteran fatigue. I am not one. I think it's a rivalry that arguably saved hockey after cancelled season that now door games and and you know ever ever climbing into stats. But the dynamic of that rivalry with regard to ovechkin breaking Gretzky's goals record vs Crosby's incredible. What will eventually be like twenty year on in this league? It's fascinating debate that all day. I think it's great for hockey to have the boot. Yeah and you know sticking to the fatigue point there's part of me that's like there's so many young exciting players in this league. Why are we not talking about Austin Matthews more? Why we're not talking about allies pederson more like let's go to the next generation? Same time these guys are still ridiculously dominant and ridiculously the entertaining. And let's just save it for what it is often mathewson pederson and all those guys will get there and to put it in completely audience alienating terms that's why the undertaker shows shows up wrestlemainia because you want to see the ticker all right. Let's say hi to our guest. It's the great shonky Syria joining us now. The Line Sean. Kataria Center Philadelphia Flyers. One of our favorite players Sean. The first question is what do we have to do to get you the Selke this year. We want to Geico Selke. Do we need to take out. Patrice Bergeron for you in some way like Nancy Kerrigan. Tonya harding style or just like keep convincing people to vote for you. Yeah I don't know Yeah just version was always in the mix. He's he's a he's the role model player for for that trophy But you know it's it's just a moment already just to be in consideration with With his name there he's shot. I know that Nolan Patrick was on the ice sex with you guys today practicing it's Wednesday and you know I'm not quite sure what he's going to return but I was just curious. How much has he been able to be around the team this year? And what would his potential overturned mean to you guys as you try to make playoff push down the stretch Yeah I think he's. He's he's doing everything he can to come back and and in play You know I'm I'm sure it's been frustrating and hard for them You know we try to support him as much as we can but You know it's tough you know trying always be You know in his ear asking him how he's doing how he's going and what he's going through so we kinda just try to let them be let him do his things and You you know we can see they is working hard to back and it's nice to see him out there and have some fun and thought he looked good. Yeah you guys are having some fun man being in a playoff chases this is always a good thing and right now. The website money puck says sixty three point. Eight percent chance to fliers make the postseason which is pretty cool. I kind kind of expected this from Malaysian Yohiki sort of has this level of success whenever he goes to a new team. What's it been like plan for? Av and what have you learned from the guy in the first year. He's been in there so far. It's been great You know he's I think he's well prepared. He knows the league really well. He's he's got the experience he knows what it takes to win and I think you you can see it in his in his ration- when he demands out of his players and the way we play and You know guys have a Baden's and starting try to you know. Try to get on the same page and build something special here You know so far. It's been good for you. Know we're right in the mix right where we WANNA V. We're you know we're still in the control of our destiny and All we can do is you know. Just keep keep working hard trying to win some hockey games and You Know Position Search for a playoff spot. Watch you guys in the first half. It was crazy because when you played at home you were such a good team put. It almost felt like you were different. Eighteen when played on the road. And you didn't have as great results. What do you think went into that? And how can you prevent that from happening in the second half Honestly I I. I don't know what it is You know I'm sure if we have an answer we would be better on the road but I think it's Sometimes it's it's it's also over analyzing things Agassi I think early in December when or mid December when we had the the west coast trip. You know tough trip for us. It was one trip A lot of games I guess in December our road road roadtrips weren't weren't good and I obviously I heard our record I think lately we've been better We've we've had some some good Games on the road. It's just a matter of You know consistently being better and We're trying to fix that. And I think the last few games have been have been better. You got a tough question for you. WHO's the funniest guy on the flyers? Now we've heard Hayes. Hayes is funny. I've heard connect these really funny behind the scenes. Funniest guy on the flyers go Yeah those are two funny guys but for me is It's always kind of been Jake board check him for a long time and He's a great character. Great Guy to be around and You know really really funny. And his his own way. Funny how funny funny and saying the right thing to break up the room easy prank sky. What's funny about J. quarterback Gortex Not necessarily pranks guy just his. His humor You know the way he interacts with with with other people and stuff off and it's It's some to You know we're I guess you know it's fun to have him around and and you know. Get the joke around with him him and his personality and another way that maybe people don't see it but you know I I think he's. He's a he's a funny guy and I'm sure other guys can they can Who are you happy that gritty was acquitted? Great Mascot wasn't a big fan of his at the start but I got You know meet him and see what he does every night. And it's I think he's hilarious. I think is funny. I mean great for the city of Philadelphia. So really happened before. I've heard this from other flyers that they weren't crazy about having goofball mascot at the start is that that is really the first time you saw him. Did you not really get it. Didn't really got it You know and I I guess. Pictures were when his pictures came out. You know he looks a little crazy his eyes and everything of color. We're in mixed when when you get to see him in person he's He's different and he's He's funny ah think he bit small. Note the Bill Jn all right. This is my last one You know the beginning of the year ear. One of your linemates Oskar. Lindblom was diagnosed with a rare former bone cancer and it was really scary for a lot of fans to hear as wondering if you could just give an update of how much you guys have been able to see him. I'm how he's doing and his diagnosis affected your team But the question is I actually Assam Last night I went over to Robert Hikes Place guys of you know where they're trying to hang out with them yeah he's been he's been doing good I think You know we're trying to support him in any way. We can No we wish all the best and he's such a such a positive guy. That's a nice guy that you know for sure he'll he'll fight through it and You know you know. Get the bureau. Can Boredom awesome stuff. Sean thank you so much for your time and we will continue to raise the battle flag for Kataria for Selke this year. You deserve it and good luck. Hope to see you guys in the playoffs. Thank you thanks very much. Our thanks to sean cafeteria of the Philadelphia Flyers who as the trade deadline. Nears are a team that is sniffing around yield playoffs layoffs. In fact money puck on the day that we do this podcast has them at sixty three point. Eight percent to make the postseason which is a better percentage. Then the Carolina Hurricanes needs for example which is sad for those of us who think the hurricanes could be stealthy cut pick this year but hey it's early trade deadline Dougie. They lost dougie. That's true you take Dougie off that team. Then he looked at it all falls apart trade deadline. Emily creeping up we wrote a big primer on the trade deadline. Recently I've heard from many people that they don't think it's going to happen. Are you in that camp you know. I think that the price for a trade deadline rental has cheapened significantly recently. I don't think this does the age where we're throwing out first. Rounders left and right. Those are just become too valuable in the aid where we really need guys on their entry level contracts to perform. I think that most is teams are hoping that they can get A Guy with term I think that's what has really become valuable piece of the trade deadline and I think the other thing is the parody in the league and you know in years past around this time we'd be like up that teams a buyer that team to seller and there's literally a handful of teams like probably five or they're like well. We're going to see how the next two weeks plays out. And then we'll decide what we do like those are teams like the Blackhawks and even the Rangers are in that camp arrangers team that we kind of expected it to be a seller or off the second on thirsty ear so that I think is all compounding. What's going to be a quiet deadline? Yeah and you're right about that term thing I've like. Many people have read many many many many many many articles about Toronto Police lately and what they may or may not do at the trade deadline and I find it fascinating that you know the the expectation is called Uber says Mo will be acquire. Somebody that has a little bit of term and not anti up a good young player for a strict rental so you start seeing names like dumbo being thrown around and others. I think the James Myrtle lead Piquet Soubanh talk is been very interesting. I mean the devils would have to at obviously snatch up half of that salary but it's it's an interesting think thought on a number of levels if a guy like man was available for the leafs leased by the way seventy point two percent to make the playoffs so let's not all freak out even pretty interesting got hurt as a part of me that thinks. PK's cooked is part of me. That thinks that hockey is not necessarily the priority. Not these days for him. I hate selling that narrative but I mean last year seasons men and down to skating. He he's just not as good of a skater as he was three or four years ago and I think through things he could do this all season to change his stride and work on skating It's just a matter of if he does that and if he's able to do that right so the question is. Is that if you acquired him now which I don't even think they could financially like does that make lifson exponentially better team or is that an acquisition. They make with the hope that playing in the center of the Hockey Universe makes PK. PK Keagan like it. gives him the juice to beat the here again. It's like the injection into vans. Right right it's like playing in. Toronto is the carrot it makes them sprint. That's a theory that you'd have to have because based on the last two years ears. There's not allowed to tell. Casey vans going to be a hell of a difference maker in Toronto. I mean he's better than cody. I mean. What's that list like? Based of everything. I've come to understand about crowd. Do I find that to be like a highly unlikely trade to go down if anything just because of his copy and like you said there could be compounding actors like the devils taking on a significant portion of the salary but I just have a hard time believing that's the direction they want to go. The the trade deal is fascinating because like you said there are so few rental options that are real difference. Makers that's what I gotta believe that. Even though he wants to stay and even though you can make an argument that they're a better team with them that you got to move Chris. Kreider if you're the rangers right like like the price for Kreider is going to be so high that you got to move him at the deadline right and especially if you're the rangers where you think. Hey maybe we can go and get a first round pick from. He's the only player that's going to warn a rental. That's only going to warrant a first round pick this year. We still can get a chance to sign him off season because he loves being arranged so much but yeah there's enough teams that are so desperate for him The Blues are the team. We've repeatedly I heard linked to him. The avalanche are like sneaky contender the penguins who feel like they need a reward. Their group for doing so. Well in the absence of our Great Sidney crosby you know so all of those teams will be informed that I think it's going to be too tempting for the Rangers not to move him again. They're right on the bubble right now. The playoffs probably trending a little bit In the wrong direction even though they've had a couple of things then again Pinera and could will them into it by himself. Who knows what's interesting to me is the coal market? And you know we're you're all kinda keeping an eye on the Rangers because they've got three Goalie Carousel and Georgia obviously is the most likely to go. I still think the Rangers hold onto them and get a better deal for him at the draft in June June That's kind of what I would telegraph in that. Although maybe a team like the maple leafs especially of Anderson's out Get so desperate that they give the Rangers whatever they want which is probably the first round pick and there's a team like the blackhawks and the blackhawks are fascinating to me because there's such an emphasis in the front office coming from the president. John McDonough to make the playoffs and they're sick of losing this is not their DNA they just need to get in and they've shown some signs of life and you just like last year they're gearing up for the second half push they're getting healthy at the right time they welcome Brandon Saad back demonstrations about the Comeback Drake. Because you'll love. I would be shocked. Shocked if they get rid of their goalies even though they could get a lot for both of them I'd be shocked if one of those big moves like getting rid of Brandon Saad or even even God forbid jumps given Keith I think the most likely path for the blackhawks right now is get rid of the knock of say goodbye to Eric. Staf said just because he you might be able to yielded decent return back as a red bill and a nice offensive defenseman and maybe even try to add to this group and try to win it out this year. I'll tell you one guy speaking a goalies that I'm surprised might actually be kind of a difference maker at the trade deadline. Aaron del of the San Jose Sharks. Now it's quite possible that you've not been paying attention to the sharks nor Aaron Dell because the sharks are terrible. And he's Aaron del but I can put myself in that camp since since January second one two three four five six seven and seven of ten games. He's given up two goals or less including walking into Calgary last night and holding them to one goal and playing really well in defeat last three he starts to or fewer goals in all of them planes. Maybe his best hockey in the NHL and doing it at a tiny. How the sharks? Rex climbed all the way up to a minus thirty nine gold. That's exactly right. He's usually hustle for it. He's he only makes one point nine million dollars if you're a team looking for that it just it'll it'll itty bitty insurance policy. I wonder if he's played himself in the conversation. But the real intrigued with the sharks is brandon is a very good defenseman and I could easily see move. I could easily see him. Being the lefty that the Florida Panthers for example or looking for I think it'd be a good fit there. There's I mean there's some decent isn't like rental prospects but overall I mean straight deadline needs needs a guy with term to move and I wonder whether it's GonNa Happen. Here's a team that I wanted to talk to you about. As as we close out the segment Nashville Nashville is at this moment. Forty four point eight percent to make the playoffs. That's not great In fact it's not as good as the odds that the blackhawks make the playoffs in the western conference. That doesn't mean they're out of it in fact they're very much in it. It's just just one of those deals. Where every time one part of the team seems to work? The other part of the team doesn't right now goldens good and they can't score goals. If you're David poile what do you do. I mean he kind of tip his hand by firing the coach that he thinks this team is good enough to win. But like if things don't get your within serious serious Nathan distance of the of the wildcard By the time the trade deadline heads. Do you think they push in and try to improve the team or they do. Yeah I mean look. They've got two guys is her. UF As the summer that would be easily moved. And I think could add value to a lot of teams Craig. Smith definitely has more value right now than be killed Gremlin although gramling could just think okay. Maybe it's a little bit of a change of scenery to get going again But if you look at this team they actually got draft capital if they WANNA add like they've got an extra second round pick from the deal with the devils they've got an extra third round pick from deal With a wild this past summer like they could add to this group I I wonder underwear and and what and you know once again. It feels like the defense is strong and good enough. They probably could use actually an extra defenceman just to be sure but scoring can help would be great if they once again for the eighth straight year probably third can find a partner for Kyle Turris to take on that contract. That'd be great. Don't think that's happening. Yeah I do think that they are kind of looking inward and saying what type of team we are. And I'd put them in the same camp the blackhawks where it's like the next week the next week and a half will totally tell which what's the direction they go for. Sure good stuff and obviously when we get it gets the trade deadline. You know where you should be that's ESPN. We're going to have full trade headline coverage me. Emily Chris Peters all on site in Bristol for trade deadline fund videos podcasts. All that and then obviously breaking down all the big news moves of the day so he's a fun time and we sit in a conference room. That's exciting right a little more exciting than sending in a conference room though the low podcast. Because if you're enjoying our show you should take a minute to rate review. Subscribe to the low pod pop. Post pod sorry. Sorry if low post pod obviously because it's so good with the trade vineland deadline looming in basketball's well you can hear Zach Lowe's reaction to the wheeling and dealing across the NBA. And I have a feeling it's going to be a little more more exciting than hockey. So you can find the latest episode wherever you're listening our again. It's the low post pod that is more exciting sitting in a conference room all right now. It's time for your favorite segment of the week. Phil Kessel dogs now. He does not love to eat weekly look at sad hyperbole and straight rarest. It's Phil Kessel loves hotdogs. It's the moment each week. We take a look at us for hockey media and the dumb things that we say sometimes because we are all very thin skinned and sometimes we don't think straight in the moment the Saint Louis Blues if you will recall recently on a road trip they lost four of the five games names on the road trip including losses in Edmonton and Winnipeg on back to back nights. Five two loss at Winnipeg not a very good road trip for Saint Louis kind of a sad time. Alex teen who of course has connection to the jets. Well previous franchise play one thousand game in his hometown and the Winnipeg media wanted to talk Alex Stein about playing his one thousand th game in his hometown after the game and what happened. According to Mike Macintyre Alex Ecksteen blew off media post game the teams PR staff who said earlier. In the day he would foreshore speak. Wouldn't make them available after playing his one thousand th game in his hometown and with all kinds of interview requests absolute joke the explanation provided was that the blues LX Teen didn't want any additional attention on himself and that he's not happy with this place he wouldn't talk. That's pretty weak on a night. He's honored in his hometown by fans and the jets are playing one thousand th game who cares team teams at the end of a horrible road trip. Who cares like he keep played like crap? He didn't WanNA talk walk. I understand that maybe the blues. Pr Stash shouldn't be like. Yeah he's GonNa talk they don't know the team's GonNa play like crap and he doesn't WanNa talk like I I I don't know I just I understand like there are times when guys need to talk after losses but the road team making a guy available double because he played his albums game in his hometown. After I don't know that seems like kind of shaky footing for me as as a as a writer. What say you? Yeah a little behind. The I think there's a little bit of miscommunication about pre-game Availability for St. To which Logan if these things happen you you probably should have spoke pre game which I think he was willing to do the blues. They had no request made the request after so a little bit of miscommunication which is ironic because it happens often in our business S. which is all about communication you know. Actually I think it was all around. Okay well then. We'll call this. Maybe less the foibles of the media then a giant cluster. F in Winnipeg to use the colloquialism that I'm sure that using as in Winnipeg all right now it's time for puck headlines Dateline Battle of Alberta. How great with those rivalry alary games? My God I watched more Calgary flames hockey in the last three weeks and I think I have in three years between honestly there were good. It's kind of my take on. It all has been. We can debate the merits of fighting all we want. But this is the most excited. I've been for regular season hockey and I cannot remember when especially regular season hockey in late January early February when most players don't give an because we don't get enough you know we we can debate the merits of fighting fighting. But there's two things I believe to be true. One players believe it regulates the game to fans find a wildly entertaining. If that's going to get a casual fan to turn into Connor mcdavid and Leon Rice idle so be it. Yeah the two. Bummer is about the situation with Zack. Kassian one that he fought Kassian. Like I said I'm poxy I come on do your job your pest stop. Don't fight the guy there's no reason to. Don't give them the satisfaction. I understand that maybe he wanted to let the air out of the balloon on this on this rivalry and not let things get out of hand. Maybe he was giving giving advice by somebody to do it. Who knows I wouldn't have thought him? Keep the bit going. Your skin is great. But secondly the real bummer of the situation Sean. Monaghan and Ryan Anouchka Hopkins had a better fight than Zack Kassian kitchen. It's hard it's hard to handle as someone who had the intense anticipation of the battle level out of Battle of Alberta. I I did to see two guys that probably weigh combined figure like one one fifty Have a better fight than Kassian. CONDUCTED BOTHERED ME dateline. NHL Awards. Emily what's a better chance of happening Roman Yosi rallies the top John Carlson for the norris twin Hughes rallies to topple kill McCarthy for the Halder. Think the calder situation is more likely at this. This point mostly because Carlson and I think Calma car is well has carried the torch since the beginning of the season is the predetermined winter but it. It just feels like Carlson this year just like Donald last year. It's his year that he's do and next year might be Roman ulysses year like he's do but for whatever reason this just feels like Carlson's licensed to lose. Yeah and I think the thing about it is that as much as there's going to be a Argument that Carlson isn't the complete defenceman that Yosi is this year. I still think that his points per game average at the end of the season is going to rank amongst the best in the last thirty years for Defenseman. And that's a real hard argument to overcome now granted capitols fans better than anybody that the Norris trophy can can be lost by by a defenseman setting offensive records because it happened to Mike Green. Maybe the voters have become a little bit more savvy than since then I don't know but I think Yosi has to be at least a point per game player and I think there has to be ample evidence that he is far superior defensive player than Carlson to overcome. You'll see should be in the conversation for the heart is most important to its team. This is a team That is what are they never had. What's the threshold for points that he's going to beat they've never had a sixty point score like something crazy like that? Yeah Yeah like He. Game Average of any player in Predator history potentially right and they make the playoffs and he's the guy that kind of carries is there i. I think I'm not saying you should win it. I think we should be talking about him and consideration for it. Yeah that's that's interesting especially interesting because now that a veteran has scored fourteen goals in seven games. Nobody on the capital side is talking about John Carlson for the heart. which is what they were doing about a minute ago? Before veterans started scoring goals. Dateline so I think Hughes for the caller just put a fine point on Dateline Buffalo Dear Lord of Sabers a sad state of affairs. It is bad fans aren't showing up. Players are calling out their effort. Everybody's sad everybody's unhappy. Can this be fixed emily. I think it can be fixed but I got the sense that Terry and Kimba Glow WanNa fix it with another shakeup. Because they've now owned. The team made the playoffs since what twenty eleven was their first year. made the playoffs. That first year haven't returned since So yeah I I do think that there's going to be shakeup. I talked to Jack. Eichel at the All Star game and they should protect this guy at all costs. He's the best player they have by far. He loves Ralph Krueger. Ralph Krueger isn't going anywhere. he singing his praises. And I think a lot of people believe Ralph Krueger as part of the solution I wonder if this could mean a general manager change in the off season then I put it out before. I'll put it out there again. Ralph Krueger Coach and general manager next year. Let's go dateline line. Stephen Johns Stephen. Johns return from post traumatic headaches. It's the Sean Shapiro labeled them that. He battled for twenty two months to return to the stars lineup and scored a goal for the stars and the trip long road back for a a real good defensemen and it was a delightful thing to see him do that where his parents were in the stands no less scoring a goal and his return. Yeah and listening to him talk about. They were the ones that are with him. And all of those dark times it was really special for sure. Koby Bryant first off obviously recipes. Kobe daughter and everybody who lost their lives in that horrific helicopter crash. We had talked. That happened the the day after we did our podcast. I think we haven't gotten a chance to talk about it. which means we haven't gotten the chance to talk about the tributes in the NHL to Kobe. The veteran one was was was was really special when he skated out with Kobe. One of these numbers he wears the other number during pregame warmups. Because I I guess I didn't realize until he passed what impact Kobe had had on other elite athletes and just like the amount of in case mutual respect the amount of respect that these guys has had for the way that Kobe competed in carrying himself and inspired younger players. To be better it was it was sort of an education. I feel like we got the the the locker room door cracked open a little bit. We got to peak inside what these guys actually think of other athletes sports totally. I was overwhelmed by the outpouring. In general I didn't realize how many people felt personally affected by his life and death. You know I think. Part of the details of his death breath are really hard to grapple with especially the fact that he died with his daughter and the way that in the last couple years of his life he really became dedicated to beginning agree. Agree Sports Dad. A great coach of youth girls a great ambassador for the women's game just talking about his daughter and her aspirations to play professional national basketball not qualifying it as women's professional professional basketball and treating her like an equal Of course I think you know. It's troubling knowing that a lot a lot of this kind of cleared over some of the things like what happened in Colorado and the fact that he was accused of rape and in that case You know he was never convicted of of it but it was still a really troubling case and I think it's complicated. That said I was just I was honestly shocked. floored by just how many people were so moved by I. His life and his passing sure finally switching gears of keeping it in L. A. Dateline the Oscars the Academy Awards. Are this Sunday. Emily I know that you have seen all of the Oscar films at least twice. Give me one thing. You're hoping for on Sunday giving one thing you don't WanNa see on Sunday. Great question haven't really been in the loop but I see a lot. A lot of momentum for parasite was it nominated for best picture. It was best picture. Best original screenplay best foreign film Little Win Best Foreign Film. There's some thought that a little win original screenplay I will. I would say that my thing I'd love to see is for win. Best picture that said. I've not seen nineteen seventeen yet going to see this week before the Oscars that seems is to be the one that's got the most momentum going into it for parasite was as of right now the best film I saw this year. Okay in that case I hope it wins. That'll force me to actually watch it the one I don't WanNa see when joker because it wasn't good it was it was interesting and it was extraordinarily derivative of better movies and and Joaquin Phoenix was fantastic. And he should win best actor for sure but the joker movie that I really good final twenty minutes and the rest of it was sort of men. I'm so I I'd be set. Green Book said but sad of Joker won best picture. Do you ever Rant Line Ryan or none known run none ranch this week. Yeah Hi I wanted to call a couple ideas for how to Improve Your all-star game but then I realized I can't watch kid because the NHL is so backwards and how they present things online. I pay them one hundred fifty two hundred dollars a year for their own past. I pay for my secret little thing. They're not supposed to know about that. I can walk by local. I WANNA watch every single hockey. I can't and you know what they do. They don't let me watch the All Star game. I can't walk through skills competitions. I can't watch the game. I can't watch the coverage I'd say if I'm going straight to the source straight to NHL DOT com thanks. Here's my money. Give me all the hockey. Why on Earth are they not gonNa love you? Watch their showcase game with all the while. Well the point is actually showed up. Why am I not allowed to watch that? It's insane I don't get it. I don't have cable I can't watch it. I'm forced to Google Youtube to watch eight minute. Chunks of different skills broken up with fifteen different ads for things I don't care about. I already paid you. I give you my money. Let Me Watch the thing that you want me to watch great. That's a great. You know what I I'll say that obviously obviously like TV rights deals are gonNA take precedence over a lot of stuff when it comes to the AHL access to its IT products. I I'll I'll say this is sort of a sidebar. Why is it so hard to get the NHL Network? Like I. I've been I've been sort of cutting the cord streaming guy for the last year and I had playstation vue and then it died so now I have Youtube TV and not only on Youtube TV but on other platforms like NHL Network isn't available. And like I don't think you can watch it. I think if you have like the NHL pay per view package edged center is like I don't think the NHL Network is actually a part of that. I don't think I can flip the NHL APP and just go like pick NHL network and just start watching it. It's kind of bizarre and it sucks because that means I have to search out feeds for the women's games when they're on NHL Network and probably do the same thing world junior but you you seem. You seemed down with this sky's around. Yeah I am and you know I hope that in twenty twenty one. We're going to get a reform when we restructure the rights deal and I think the NHL will understand and the viewing habits of people in the modern society that we're all going leading towards streaming services. But Yeah I agree that this is an inherent problem you know. I was upset by the fact that the women's game picked up by nature network but wouldn't be available to be streamed as large way that people can seem NHL content. And you can debate about it. All they want right that's not. NHL Event but as our caller mentioned the all-star game is literally NHL Propaganda and not to be able to send Out to the people who are interested in Tel propaganda is quite. Frankly absurd there you go. Emily Kaplan Colon let the people have their propaganda. That's ESPN and is this week. Thanks to our guest. Our thanks to everybody for listening. I'm great because you can read my stuff on. ESPN DOT COM. And you can listen to my podcast puck soup with tangos Brown Ryan Lambert. That has bad words on it so just keep that in mind. I'm Emily Kaplan and You can involvement unfettered emily. M Kaplan and I've got to say bye bye.

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