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SNN: The DC-Universe Siege

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SNN: The DC-Universe Siege

"The nerd i'm your host on mathie has always as our mr producer will. How're you doing tonight. Well over well happy monday. How're you doing this evening. Happy monday we were just talking about how her monday suck. Well you know. It's a tried to try to get positive energy here and happy early thanksgiving bubbly year to yes. Happy thanksgiving to all but more importantly merry christmas for wonder woman. Yes yes thought said. They finally caved on that so we it's funny because we talked about this last week That day before they made the announcement about the December twenty fifth Release on both. Hbo and and also in the theater and at least domestically because internationally they are planning on releasing the film december sixteenth. But you know. I joked with you the a message over the weekend how the writing was on the wall. This completely missed putting the clues together when hbo max and amazon cut a deal that The product you know they were able to get speed. Max finally on amazon fire devices. Because you know all that in roku or like the last i think the last few big streaming at that were devices that were still hanging out there and roku still doing so. I think they're just trying to work out some issues with You know revenue sharing button all that but with getting back to wonder woman itself I was. I was glad that the that they had finally made the decision because wonder film. I had looking at it again. You know the film was actually done like twenty eighteen. I mean they finished filming then and and expensive. That's what twenty seventeen twenty sixteen that from the first one so little structure getting close to four years. I think three to four years since the original wonder woman came out. So it. S a lifetime and donna and and so i think they made the right decision to Release it both on the streaming platform. Hbo max and also in the theater clearly folks really really enjoy it and have that small screen experience whenever it is safe and people are comfortable going back to movie theaters and and it gets wider release and both new york and la quite. Frankly i think that's the main reason why they decide to go this route because they are looking at what was going on with the covert numbers and realizing that does place. There's going to be shut down again. over four four ford for theobald future over christmas holiday so at this point let's got losses putting on the air. See what we can make back. As far as i mean you know there will be the international box office to swell and places that do have been under control as as well as you can and make money there and and and go and then they'll probably maybe released it again at some point. Twenty twenty one When you and maybe. I i don't think they should do that. i just i really don't see the benefit in re-releasing these films in theaters because those who are able to hold out to whatever whatever we've been in since march which is crazy to think about those just like it was yesterday and like it was ten years ago yet. I think that the impact that they're going to see in terms of hbo mac subscribers is going to be significant enough That that i don't really see a point because those who really wanted to see it will have seen it and will Is already accepted. The fact that i don't think it's gonna be a good movie. I have this suspicion just because of the way the third act of the first one end and also like what you just said. They shot this on. Had this ready to go or filmed at least end of end of two thousand eighteen and yes there's been covid but there there was this time before cove in i know we've all forgotten about that time period but it last year did happen. This movie has had a few different release dates So i just i. I don't think that the movies that start to drop on streaming services should get released in theaters I think the subscription round. I am excited even though i have my doubts about movie guys. I've always had doubts about. Dc it's dc I i still am thankful thankful that they're doing this because i needed something. Will i needed a win. And yeah we we need something. We decided to have some content for for the holidays. Because because it's the holidays mean you know you're looking forward to that big in the year release and and typically in december we get those big temple movies To to enjoy over the holiday time so at at least we'll have wonder woman to for that over the christmas holidays to to watch and then of course we'll get you know we'll be a good lead into to one to wanna vision in january and i did see where marble disney plus or like. No black is still going. They're still looking for. That may twenty twenty one box office release and quite frankly they don't they don't need it at this point i mean they have enough properties With juan vision and and and all that and enough subscribers on disney plus at this point where. They don't need to do this kind of thing That warner is trying to do with you know getting more subscribers to hbo max about what they need. Well it's about. What i need is what you need and yeah unfortunately there's not the black widow. It's not going to be under your christmas tree this year. We'll see about that in other dc related news. Because that's all we received a doctor vast array today all right. I'll get. I'll get there. I'll get there New there is a images. Have been released of dc titans and season three mainly star fires new costume. That's all i got. I didn't look at the images. Oh you do your homework. Well granted him today. But i got home from a i appointment. That would never end. Sat down and eight. Our and now we're here for will not and and we didn't even talk about my workday workday that basically i swear to god all i did was. I looked at spreadsheets. For first. it's a well. We'll go go. Go look at your time real fast. detect a photo of star fires costume. Because it is fire. I mean it really really is Amazing what They have put together for her for this upcoming third season. And it's a. It's will disturbed. Because i really like it. I you always really liked the images in. what. I see is photoshop. All i ever see always show me image of her shooting a scene in that outfit and then we determine if it's good or not there is. There is a still photo of her. And the costume did you. Did you tag him one cat. It's like four photos that attacked you on. there's like three of them are like the Yeah that's the one that i see soda shop on okay. Well that's also a shot of her filming an actual scene in the tv show. Well true true. But i know it's a product. S it's one of those stills better better than what we saw from era verse everyday were to win the crisis on infinite irs photos. But i really like it. I think given one. She's probably one of the strongest if not the strongest characters that on that show for So i think her especially given that star fire and course this upcoming season you'll have black virus well and the the we saw in the second season That dynamic is far as between the two of them and and so there's that Also She really didn't have a lot of folks are grumbling early on with the cost into had from the first season whenever we did see some of those production stills of them shoot filming scenes with her original costume that she had So i think this is very fitting and finally did do her right For the supplementary season yeah i. I'm glad that this season's gonna focus on star fire. Because although i like season to season one of the show i did note a absence of star fire and more importantly an absence of scenes between her and night wing. So if the raiders can please refocus our attention to the stars of show allowing me grammy. And i'm right there with you. Part of the reason why like season two better is we know. This season is going to be her versus backfire. And then we also know that we're gonna have Red hood appear and so there's a lot of momentum. Ebb and i just can't wait chuckle when they manage. Screw it up the no i. I don't think they'll screw up. I think you know it'd be different for the cw. True true seed It's still dc though the dc on the small screen at their track record is a whole heck of a lot better than extreme. It is a lot better however will just get into this news right now. They're they're signs. I mean whether you listen to the interview with. Stephen mel talking about his his last day of shooting. When you listen to brandon ralph Ah talk about how. He was formed that both him and his wife would no longer be on legends of tomorrow. The it still. Cw it's still all goes back to dc in my opinion But i take your point. They have overall been fairly stable And and really where some of the quote unquote shadiness is from the announcement that this season at black lightning season for will be the final season of this grease With out surprise for all of us but more importantly it especially Based on an interview done It was a shock to the the actors and actresses on the show. Yeah yeah it was. It was a shock health in all the shows that we liked this castle after especially after they have struck good seasons or or very positive media. Like i was thinking how how they really highlighted a lot of members of that cast on dc. Fandome this past Past summer and and and so yeah. Black lightning cancelled and just like krypton. Hope police at least they were able to Able to finish out their story Is it did seem to come as a surprise to everyone. I know china mclean. She did she did film her. Instagram live Over the weekend and you know really shared a lot of things about Not only one of the things of of note was that she was already planning on leaving the series. To begin with this would have been her last season anyway. had a continued And noted that we'll see fewer episodes with her in it this upcoming season because she she was stepping back There was also a fact that she did make some comments about things. Business on the business side of The production that that like like as you need it. Stephen and new comments that things are all hunky. Dory seems like tasks behind the behind the camera in the Verse with the way they handle certain certain personnel and other aspects of of the The work so the mention all of like a few years ago. During the metoo movement producers show runners got fired and even in this last year the flash last enactor tweets that were discovered so and even new series with the writer's room with superman. Lois She said that she raised about me to you. And some of the questionable Arc's trying to as far as some characters color and the other aspects of it so yeah so that's a that's just on the tv side. We're even getting into all the stuff at ray fisher. So that's what i'm saying. Even evening side their track record. I think because when we compare the film with the tv against the tv the film we have dc. You in the joke that it is sorry. Gave tagline for that. But then we have that compared against. Cw verse one of these shows and as much as they've tried to make it a single universe it still feels like they're they each have their own lane and And their own world so so when you start to notice like oh well that happened on legends. That doesn't mean that that transfers over to the flash or ero or lack lightning and then and then you notice a few months later something goes wrong with flash and then a year later. Something goes wrong with back lightning. You're like wait a second. It's still all dc. It's still all under this umbrella of the studio. So i also i just. I wonder if part of the problem is since two thousand twelve. They've they've built a universe but they also built all of these different production offices. With very similar people. I mean The show runner of bat woman caroline dryers. She used to be a writer on vampire diaries. Vw is a very small studio because they they do manage to take writers and actors who they they have used in the past and reuse them on other shows An and so. Sometimes you just manage to get your you manage to find the wrong person who over years may change and start to make the wrong decisions. Yeah i think. That's i think that's a very good point that you that you raised there that This the cw network is they. They do have to. The credit grow their talent at the same time Many cases people do shift from pro production to production and Sometimes you know problem children will get move from one show another show and the problem is sort of all of all of them. So yeah you know again this the cancellation of black lightning especially on the hills of the naming. The painkiller spin off It was kind of like. Oh we're so excited you know we get another show with another leader color and boom. They hit the blindside. You with this other news so it it definitely. It definitely took the a little bit of the shine off of the news about painkiller Earlier in the week when whenever when you dropped this kind of news. Yeah i mean. No news is good news in two thousand twenty. It was out of nowhere where we are also very accustomed to five seasons. Tyson's mattis visa exactly for season. Two you get five season so the fact that this is a four season and and something else worth noting about that well. Wi fi seasons five seasons allows for syndication exactly and so they're ending at the end of the floor season through and no one has really explained why. Yeah yeah yeah was trying to figure out a situation where melissa where maybe crest wants to move on. And we just haven't heard it thirty that war you know what you know. What's the situation here. That they're they are indiana season in show Before like you said that magic number of syndication and and i know i saw a lot of people talking online about well. Clearly the show. It'll continue on net flicks and they'll continue to get money from that but but again you still want to have that magic five because there are other venues out there man new era for example. I'll see it on. Tnt which is another warner property as far as As far as the warner media empire still You wanna have that magic one hundred so you can. You can get get extra syndication dollars. Yeah yeah it's just crazy. Mary very very strange but Regardless we will be watching in in the spring is when our lineup comes back errantly we have in right now after a certain re tweet to play those ice gals like. Oh when i saw that. I just i nearly faded. It's about yeah like those. That was a nice little re tweet. Last week i had that was that was that was that was good to get noticed noticed. Yeah she's like fat fingered it all right in other. Nc you news It has been announced that black panther too will start filming in twenty twenty one july. God talk about a lifetime ago. Will when i black panther came out and this announcement. I mean it's end of november chadwick passed in september but still feels like racers. Lotta we're not ready to think about black. The third seal right now. We're just trying to make it through the year at this point. Yeah but Yeah it looks like they are planning on starting production on the second film in july of next year. I guess that'll be a six six month. filming or the for the sequel. And of course obviously they will have to deal with the issue of of chadwick passing and and even prior to that folks. Were hoping that the jury would have a larger role than and now with this. You know happen with chad. Chadwick will will definitely have to integrate that into the story and under the also had Made some various casting announcements as well with. I think When it actress from narcos joining the Production is one of the antagonists. And then of course. We all top of that You'll still you know. Have the start of thor in january in australia and so yeah face. Four is is starting to start starting to move along even though it got blown up this year by covid you know who from narcos. It's not pedro right up to us. tenaga okay. All right all right because there is a few from narcos the the villain in wolf ver not wolverine in logan is from narcos to and he did really good job not in that role. So i i was. I was excited in. The name is on the tip of my counter. The actor's name which i also surprisingly know that he said they elizabeth all sin so that would be an interesting tie in. And i won't go down this rabbit things i know. Oh i'm glad we're laughing down because the next Bit of news all comedy. All comedy deadpool. Three has hired a writer The older sisters from bob's burgers. Yeah yeah well. I hoping appreciate when ryan reynolds just add lip solid of his lands. Exactly just just put. Deadpool said something. that's the line. That's that's the script scott casting announcements he's Stranger things for has announced that. Freddie krueger actor robert england is coming to the show is set eighty so you might as well bring freddie kruger l. Now no no we. Don't we do not bring things that terrified sarah. When she's a little girl to stranger things okay. We don't do it. S we do is we do. I mean i just hope that suddenly like a few days later we have an actor who played jason propose not seen freddie versus jason. Do not see it. It is a horrible movie. Turns really really bad and not scary So don't don't do that but we'll experience things the one thing that i will take away from this though is they need to insert something new. I think season season to kind of was a weird parallel season. One and i think a lot of people got upset because it just it felt like so much of the same and then season three. I know you. And i both really liked and it was solid and it was partly solid Because of my hawks and a few other characters in some in of course a lovely duet of never ending story. But but i just i just we i we also know when it ended. It was kinda like okay. But we're not gonna have the same villa next season right. So so maybe mrs fingers crossed and a hint that this season will have a new villain. A news story to tell. Yeah yeah i will go down all the some. There's the board at like about eight new people for the on in the cast for this upcoming season but I guess england's character is same. Victor kriel who is a disturb and intimidate man who has imprisoned in a psychiatric hospital for gruesome murder in nineteen fifties so got it burdensome. Actually is jason myers. Is it psycho. You a There would be stranger things Do do rene created a new limited series. Called the mx faced on the dc comics series. Is it hasn't been picked up. Yes yes Yeah it's been picked up is set to Things start filming that. Believe this upcoming year and Rosario dawson is also going to be Part has a part in it is one of the leads as well as benjamin bratt and Yes so that's a limited series going to be on. Hbo max i show that does she's going to be producing over there and It was a it was a dc comic. That was that a very disturbing story is you can imagine something called the x. Which is four demilitarized zone and Basically where america has had a civil bitter civil war and you know kind of close to life but but but basically chronicles Dawson's character trying to rescue her Son she lost whenever they were trying to evacuate york city at the beginning of the conflict. Rosario rosario rosario will see she's gonna be soka in a few episodes mandalorian so we'll see if if she falls retains in favor with the public or falls out of favor public. I know there's been so much debate about her casting announcement yeah. She can't as long as she doesn't do crazy things on social media of then she should be okay Even do her name. Like i should at this time. She's she's very similar to shonda. Rhimes glenis lady sleep never. She's like cranking out constant. She's got like your dylan net. Flex know she's got hbo and she's got another project as she was going to be working. T- Is she trying to rival the rock as far as on the production side. Yeah yeah she is doesn't announce something in two thousand fourteen takes until two thousand twenty one to start filming. She'll be fine man Speaking about other crazy directors producers those who can do it all karen winter leaves. The has left the upcoming batman movie. Hbo spinoff over creative differences. of course. of course yeah. It's a felt for you. You know what i was like. Okay should up anything about the batman on the thing but just to drive the knife little harder and poor sarah about heart about the movie itself out to twenty twenty two and then like we gotta elitist acknowledged as That creative differences have led for him to leave the project. So the so. I'm not upset about that. Because i'm not. I mean this is a sudden weird spinoff. have no buyin doesn't feature are pads I thought that they were jumping the gun way too soon when they announced project analysis to see creative differences all the those were the days will when we would talk about the news and would get all twisted because of creative differences in not because of covid exactly very used to the creative differences. Excuse oh yeah. I saw that. I was like a soccer differences. Just like you know the normal things that normally happen with projects. Yeah it's the good old days of tone and creative differences over my version of gotham is not what your version the gotham is Yeah but you're right. I think it was a bit premature and With them to do this even before the before the film was released. But you know again. I think everybody's trying to bill shared universes between the small screen and the screen. Yeah i you know. They say creative differences right now. We'll we'll see how long that excuse last these days it starts off creative differences and before you know it. There's a loss project is cancelled is on the show for a while on the show. You now. We don't even know how the batman will do. We would know sooner if they had stuck with original. Uh man Cannon jennings will begin guest guest hosting jeopardy in light of alex trebek's passing and Emphasis on guests. Which means there's still a chance for josh. Mccoo will is a genius when he writes these news rundowns because that's very happy. Thought for us is it is it. Is i think that is it for the news that quite a bit this week and we went along with it but there there. It was very packed week before the holiday. Yeah did you see the miss marvel. Images i did. I am surprised there filming. Yeah yeah i was. That caught me by surprise when i saw it on. Just jared that They had there still photos from front of production. I was like oh. They're not wasting any time. This thing going. Yeah it's just that yeah. I didn't even castor over under the cast. Her and everything. But i didn't boom nearly moving right along as far as as far as filming so hurry will that brings us to our main event. The mandalorian season two episode for this siege will. What did you think about this episode. I i enjoyed it i did. I really liked carl weathers. Direction of this episode I missed the the the camera guy. Does the cat the crew member in the in the scene there Ala game of thrones as far as Unexpected things to show up. But but overall i it had a lot of A new hope feel to it as far as some of the classic bits from previous star wars. And at and i guess the thing that i'm finding about the mandalorian at this point and why i think so many people do enjoy. It is because it does have that familiarity to it Which can be a good thing and can be a bad thing. The good thing is where a fault the beats that. They had a lot of the callback to to various aspects. We've we've seen in prior films. the predictable nature of it though is like men dopey in such a bad dad or caretaker of pb. Yoda mean started out. The started out the Show with the goal open with them trying to fix the fix. The razor crass getting point eight point being him the wires it was a cute little moment and stuff but It was it was predictable. It was very funny. I laugh. Don't get me wrong. I think it's probably the first episode. While i've cut through throughout the i did have some laugh out loud moments with like that and then also when they're on the school in in navarra But but at the same time. Hopefully we're not falling into the trooper. This is gonna happen like all the time because it will get very old very very quickly. Overdo it so dramatic real quick top line impressions of the episode. I'm i'm mixed about the said. I am very very mixed and i was thinking about it earlier today and i think that the the quality is there the brightness there the character moments are there. I think this season more so than last season. They have really taken a three hour. Movie in dice. It up into half hour segments which is both good and bad It's it's good because that's what we want and then day we we. We love tv. We love how you can return to the story that you started the previous week and get the next chapter. I mean they literally call these episodes chapters a. It's bad because a part of me just wants to wait until it's all said and done and binging and maybe that's because last week i had a lovely sunday and i watched all ten hours but i just i i feel like they really are telling a story from start to finish that for me. Almost gets interrupted and some fridays. When i sit down to watch him like on. I don't know if i want to or where we going on. I liked that the got rid of the sand but now all i see is water everywhere. So so so a mixed. I'm also mixed. Because i don't know what it was about this episode and i really should've re watched it. I really should have. I'm going to be very honest right now judge. I don't really think i watched. The episode was online shopping. During the i. So i picked up a few bits. I definitely heard the information about What the child is four and The the the plans in the intentions potential tie-ins do other things. We've seen in other pictures. But i'm pretty sure. I missed a lot of walls of very fast episode pacing and there was a lot shoved in it So if you missed anything it's either. It is to be forgiven. I think maybe thinking why you were talking about how they have divided this up into chapters and dropping it week to week and i thought back to the boys and our discussions with and also now that i'm watching the crown And one of the things that i think with what. I'm liking about the band. Delorean and the boys and then dropping episodes week to week to week Is it gives. It gives episode tom. Debris yeah and and and really to like this week's episode for example there were. There were a lot of things that they did throw in there. I mean there was the The callback to season one with her with that brings prisoner prisoner guy. Yeah and and at how. He's now grief cargoes assistant on l. navarro and also again building the world and and how navarro now car dune and krief are a ministers of it and trying to clean up the remnants of the empire that are still there and And how again. We've seen this continual pat you continual through line stories about how how things are still kinda wild wild west in the outer rim and was show again reinforces the whole western themes and then that that the mandalorian has has lead in on In in in both the first and second season so it those those aspects of it that i think if i if i binged this series i i. I don't think i would be able to get pick up all those those little nuances and fodder points of of the story that That i am able to do whenever you wash the series week to week. And in on the big of course it was the potential tie-ins terrazas skywalker and he And also cringe cringe moment here but the whole medical koren's right to of things that fans have always loved. Yeah exactly exactly were i do. I do disagree with you. And here's here's why because in the boys is a great example the boys i agreed that it was best served week to week. But those episodes were long an and there was a lot of nuance and and we're talking about just the gore aspect at some of the some of the story lines like they weren't really deep into racism and systemic racism. The season they had not seen on the show. There was a lot to take it now. I'm not saying that star. Wars is not deep. But i do think when we say nuance with the mandalorian. We were talking about geek where it's much more like the easter eggs. The shuttle odds. I mean i was listening to a todd christian har- loss Breakdown the episode with marc riley and they were freeze framing things pointing out things on the walls in all of this stuff and that is great but but i don't think that that type of indulgence changes if this was just released as a As a three hour movie as opposed to ten half hour segments. Yeah but i think the thing is. I mean i i get what you're saying and over casual fan that may i mean not. Everybody has to be likely halls and the rallies of the world where they're like in getting so wrapped around the axle with. Oh you see that. That's image of that joint. It looks like three. Po the on the on the merle there on the wall. I'll be windy. I'm not talking about that. But but i do think there are not that level of but there are some bigger points that i think as even though as cringe-worthy they brought back the medical or instrument phantom menace and the the the gideon's and and The pershing's Cloning needing that too tied to the potential down. The line with roz skywalker. Those i mean. I don't those and other story aspects that we saw in these episodes and even would to me i. Would i feel like if i just powered through in a binge watch i yeah you know. Get that rush and the Of all the scene story and and everything. But i just don't feel like i would. I feel like. I've still be missing. Something if i did it that way. Yeah yeah i. I go back and forth. I think at this point with me. I think it's very interesting to listen to the diehards. Talk about this season because episode. Three the the infamous spider episode seems to be a something almost a litmus test from me looking back on that episode it adds so much character as much as it was action packed. It has so many beats about character and then we also have the the the whole the passenger and and how and how that fed into what we already talked about that. This this idea that you have you have to people who are trying to reconnect with baron kind. You have the mandalorian new half the child and then you have. Now you have this this frog lady. Who's trying to preserve her race Which is very interesting. And maybe they'll do some really cool things now that we're heading in on this this this cloning this mortality aspect of the lower and what that means it's ju- but but that episode doesn't seem to be one that sticks out for the diehards which i think is fascinating because i'm like what but there was so much character of so interesting It wasn't fan. It didn't feel like it was fan service. It didn't feel like oh let's purposely drawl this image of this person on the wall so those who have watched all these other things will get it. Yeah i get it to me like last week. That was true like fan as a reward for hardcore fans who watch everything. This week i felt had some of those moments but not so much and and there were. I think there were some things that I was reading an article. Like about the about gideon. Stark stark troopers at the end of episode So yeah it was the the obvious tie-ins but then the Gideon's soldiers that he was building Do tie back to the extended universe for a super soldier type of of stormtrooper and So you know so you did have that again. And if ever who has talked about how he and baloney have a really dig deep into the star wars universe to embracing a lot of these things to life in the in the mandalorian. So you know. So so i think it is photos those fans like the harlow offs and rallies of the world. They really will get a lot out of that and can break it down and free sprain. He'd seen and you know. Give us all photos. Folks wanna go there and give you that you know there. There is that analysis. That's out there. But then you know fans like you and i who are you know we we like star wars in really enjoy it and maybe not as not as deep steeped into the extent universe and animated universe clone wars rebels and other things. You know it's still. It's still a lot there that we can talk about and could an amp breakdown and rules exactly acura. Do exactly about the so house. That i felt like the episode didn't do more of they could've chopped olive. Kara dune stuff because they think they just placed in awkwardly weird emphasis on her character. Yeah what would transpire within a few months. Yeah okay so good. I wasn't the only one who had problems. It was hard to separate the actresses character. I really did space. Out of all of her stuff Yeah and if if she were a better actress than maybe. I could've like overlook those other things but then we have what all that and then. Yeah but i won't. But i don't wanna get too political. I'll i'll stop there and need mile. We put the child in the classroom with real kids. Any any immediately starts bullying people. He really is hungry. All the frequent is he is. Yeah yeah he's a lovable. Whenever is that With when the urges the hunger urges breer they're ugly ugly head and yeah but you know it's very interesting. Whenever we were first introduced. A yoda he was. Also somewhat of a bully in you know in st louis food and begging. Rtd tea with the crane is is cain and stuff. So i think mischievous behavior definitely is a is a trait of of yoda species. So here's where my mind went immediately. During that is. I thought they were gonna do more more of it. Incorporate more him finally around other children but children who don't look like him and and also who interaction it's like oh my first time interacting with other children after i've spent all of this time with mando and then we're going to see some some some images and they kind of got there when he stole the makah rooms but about how by him going on the these missions with mando who is a bounty hunter. He's somewhat been corrupted And that's what. I was really hoping for in so when when they drop them off their set interaction with backgrounds. And the next thing we know mando have him again. I'm like what the heck you I don't know why they didn't. They didn't do more. And then at this point between the last two episodes. I'm just like jesus mandeville higher. Damn babysitter drop here. Here here. mendez gotten over issue joy because he like totally comfortable leaving them in school for either either. Get a baby sitter or actually let the child be a part of the missions. Because i'm tired of these these weaker plot points where he just gets left someplace and you they're gonna do more and then it's just it's just. We have to have a reason for the child not to be on the screen. Like what the heck yeah the comedia- the true and then like you said the conveniently be somehow like this episode. He jets off takes care of stormtroopers on the top and then somehow kissed. The kid gets the refurbish razor crest. And then goes back and save today as far as shoot another fighters. So yeah yeah. It's yes i think to your point that there was too much too much to be done in a very short amount of time. And it just it it does point out how you're responsibly. With the kids sometimes yeah while he certainly has has to be a productive father soon because this episode did do a good job of setting up and reminding you. Moth gideon is the villain of the series and he has planted a tracking device on mando was before we'll be seeing them collide within the next episode or two and more importantly in the next episode is called the jetta. Something i do have to remind myself is last season. I wasn't immediately impressed. And then they got they had a few episodes. That really started going in. This season's fine seasons fine. I'm just. I think i'm i'm being. I'm being a bit picky now that we're hitting like that midway point. Yeah well you know. I think it's fair to be picky. I mean i think. I mean it's a very good series but but like anything it's it it does has flaws and i think it's totally fun to point those out but But i mean but did today. It's an enjoyable ride. And and as i said at the very beginning i think Yeah i had a with all the little easter eggs. And all the callback various things from like a new hope and At an estimated other aspects of other films It was i really i i i did i. I enjoyed this episode. And i really thought grow others did a really good job of directing it. He was all right. I will Any update on crown. Making making our way through it. It's i think so for now and Really really really enjoyed it. But i see when you we gave your Your fault last week. About the dynamic day setup with the story with charles and diana. Yeah yeah it's it's Yeah it's definitely fully fully. They get that and sem how how they're how they're painted them but It i've i've really enjoyed it. I think the actress playing diana really captures a a lot of her mannerisms and things I think they thought the so far. Underplaying her her fact that she was. You know their stock rec- as well as she wasn't like kate middleton example who You know kate really was more common commoner than the. They're kind of playing that they're trying to bit. Don't try to play that up a little bit with diana and trying to gloss over the factor. Her father wasn't and he wasn't. You know their stock or seat but But i've i enjoyed. I enjoy things are even though the the stagnancy giant mistake i much desire but the issue is not here for special effects. Now what about margaret thatcher's husband denis. Now he's great. Yeah genesis great and just the just the right Bright reality check And humor For for how in a proper hello proper. How awkward. Sometimes margaret seems to help orig-. She is in her in her approach to things. I mean for the i could. I could spend hours talking about nuance i did. And you've already watched this episode. So i have no no problem saying out loud but in the second episode when the go visit the royal family in scotland and they are so confused by all of the procedures and processes n n what something that stuck out to me was when margaret gets upset that the made has started to unpack denis's suitcase. She doesn't say he can do it himself. He says that is what a woman at is. One of his wife is supposed to do their husband and and nurse the talking to my parents about this because they just wrapped up. The season willis just rebelled slow And and there's something very fascinating about margaret and how she's portrayed in the series because for someone who is has risen to that level of power in a male dominated political spear during a time that that yeah it wasn't the nineteen fifties but i mean change social change like that is hard so women were still thought to be lesser than and but still at the same time play into the gender role to the point where she says that line and there's a few episodes were see some other things where it's like as much as she's a woman who's strong and independent. She very much tries to make sure that she still abides. By those roles of what a wife should be time which is it's just fascinating it really. That was very fascinating moment there When they had that that particular scene. So yeah that definitely shows economy of sars What was going on in her in her private life. Yeah yeah i. The more. I think about this season i i do think it was my favorite season of ground so far. And it's not just and again. It's not just because of princess diana and charles. It's because of margaret thatcher and and it takes a while to fully get what they were doing. It really took into the very last scene that she's in i'm dislike. I get it now. Really understand what they were trying to do and they did it. Yeah we'll also the thing to that. I'm liking so far. This season is How you have before. It was seemingly focused on the queen and her into your point about how woman deals with the very male dominated situation with with royalty and and find place but now Now we're having to women who are adjusting to the acquisition of power and and how it influences shapes how they live their lives and that being that being your margaret thatcher diana. So it's been you know. Seeing these early episodes seeing how both of them have are adjusting to to the royalty and also governing as far as the case with that you're and die figuring out her place in in the royal family and the dynamics there as it is shaping up obviously still voice to go but it is shaping up to be a very very strong season. Yeah no no. You're absolutely right there. There's a reason why this season on the posters set featured images of these three women because they are a triangle. A lot of triangles exists in the season and and they do expand you see all of elizabeth's children the season. Which is funny can have so much like. There's a line that. I want to say out loud but i i want you to experience the line and get their toes marietta but if fertile lot of not act out the crown jump ahead go straight into the season for it's worth it I definitely recommend it more again. The more i think about it the more. I almost just wanted revenge. Because it's it's a very well constructed story The right steps yes. He's a season finale. Finally the launch. And i like the finale. It was good. We finally do have spoiler. Alan shepard's launch They were able to focus on some of the other characters a little bit. More to separate a with with gordo and true and their continued difficulties in their marriage and D.c slayton his health condition. How he was able to Find a place in the astronaut corps and but of course it comes back obviously always comes back to john win and alan shepherd but i i liked where they were. They left things With with them at the end of this season and you're looking for to looking forward to seasons a it again note that the series ran out started out of steam a little bit with a black last. Two episodes lead to the finale but It was a very satisfying season season. Finale yeah i agree. I i hasn't been on board with the last episode in house or or two episodes But this episode. I i appreciate how they concluded the season. I thought the announcement kennedy's speech about getting a man on the moon was a great way to end it kind of Build excitement that may be the series is not just about the mercury seven but also gets expanded upon just the whole space division in general and nasa and Which which is interesting. I i think if if i was in not writer's room though the takeaway would be or if i was the show runner. It would be unique to not have the shepherd in glen tension. But you have so many characters. And there's so many stories that you need to start figuring out a better balance to how to retain the ensemble And allow these character other characters to tell their stories of because for example in this finale when they I don't even the characters name like. That's that's how bad it is but when he I guess he due to medical reason. Yeah i i could not remember his name. I felt like it was kind of random. But i vaguely recall when he was rejected but still they didn't give enough. They should place more emphasis at the beginning so it felt like when he was removed. It was a bigger There was more loss and there. Yeah yeah there. there's definitely room to grow. Yeah all right will well not. Is it for us tonight. Wedding till our listeners where they can find you yes. She can fund me at will m. p. o. l. k. And he can find the attache belmont as jbl emlyn t. Please follow our crew on twitter at the nerd vanessa. Facebook and instagram. But most importantly rate subscribe and comment on apple. Podcasts spotify youtube stitcher. Or wherever you get your podcast. Good night out. You're welcome

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The Flash S6E8, Arrow S8E7

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The Flash S6E8, Arrow S8E7

"This episode of keeps a lunatic sidekicks is brought to you by tweak Danica get awesome headphones get tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code. Southgate get thirty percent off for chipping in a lifetime. Warranty can get there through the link on our website southgate needed groups dot com and they're still parrot annual listing Luna take sidekicks podcast. Look up above. What does that red skies world anyway? Well Welcome back to the ledge of the aero verse and the Multi Want so here I. Am Phil joining me as always that Yup miss bloodwork herself full wilhelm. Although her secret kernel apis look the ball so we had a the other full week this week. Yeah I mean but again that'll be the last one for a while. Maybe looking for people to it mean. Yeah you know 'cause we'll crisis zone they gotTA SPLIT UP The crisis. I'll know if I should to get the my My my my anger angry moment my local pictures cw. I won't be able to watch supergirl until Monday because the frigging They'RE GONNA have the post game steelers. postgame talk on at that time. which the game won't even on that channel it's on like the big? CBS Channel. But then they're going to do the post-game talk on CW. I'm like really interrupt. Frequent sixty minutes. Give me my my part crossover. That's right I said it. Make the old people wait the eight o'clock they'll be in bed anyway but yes so next week or hey. If you're listening to this podcast tomorrow you can join meatloaf live tomorrow night. Not Breath at nine fifteen immediately following the flash episode. We're going to break down the whole crowd while the first three parts of crisis for you with some special guests. I can't Hint Krypton. Report Mr Tyler. Mr James Superman Red Superman Campbell's Lilith. Oh now been sucked through a portal. She's about to become a hardware harbinger of things to come right Lilith really ignoring me. Lilith are you there all right. Oh really I can't hear you all right well like we said we have the full house this week. So Three there so I cannot hear you I hear nothing are while until we get back. Let me go over what we had this week. We had see like you said full House. We and a my list area about woman in season one episode eight a Mad Tea Party supergirl season five episode eight. The wrath of Ramakand lack lightning season three episode eight. The Book of Resistance Chapter Three the battle of Franklin terrorists again. Those panels keep getting longer and longer. I swear they're doing it. Just annoy me. The flash season the six episode eight the last temptation of Barry Allen part two and course Arrow season eight episode seven purgatory the last episode episode of Aero for Twenty nineteen because once again Ariza upset and crisis isn't coming until January so if it when we get little backup sure she'd be like Oh let's get closer to the Yeah so let's get to will I. Of course about woman begins the week sees one episode eight a Mad Tea Party where basically Alice's basically comes out everybody come out grow consis you know kaethe has a kid has it out with her other sister and I guess after Alice Attacks Everyone Kate and her father ready to give up on her which is just seems weird it's like weren't they like You know I swear before. Kate was like you know she sees it actually mentally ill or whatever now she's just like yeah. Let's put it down like a mad dog. I don't know just seen kind of sudden and out. I guess it was just a place place to bookmark. The check Mark Webber Act just because you know again crisis coming. We're not going to get back to this to lease January yes So like I say this every week pretty much when we talk about women it just seems so weird. I don't know if it's the pacing about that woman like they wanted to rush and get the origin out. We had to get the allison but then it's like it's almost like okay. We spent through this spin our wheels for a little bit. 'cause crisis uses is coming which was weird because like we saw red skies on like a lot of like whoa in the flash narrow allred skies at the end of the episode because crisis coming thing Black lightning. We didn't play that just from what next week saw promos. It looks like we're getting red skies so again no trying to remember banks were going red skies either. So that's that's very weird But again I don't know if I'll about woman's in this weird spot it's like are we caught up to the present day. I know we with. When they mentioned the Arkham breakout we were caught? Up last year's crossover but slow for here I'm not sure if they've definitively said we've caught up to the present day or maybe when crisis starts next week. Do a little bit of time jumped something that I now lilith or probably rebidding hard-drive No no euphemism Via I was GONNA say maybe five through some quick thoughts l. An supergirl Burl Bhagat once again the battle with the agent skinner from the X. Files And of course. Lena Oh Lena in a makes off with myriad car goes the chaves her and stops lexus. Automated defenses from Boston Earth Kryptonite. So is Lena going to forgive Kara. Maybe eventually and again I mean probably all this probably come after crisis but hey lena's and crazes raises lacks well spoilers. At the end of the Superhero episode we saw the Monitor had lax. and He needs them for some purpose and hey is that the book destiny. We saw the monitor olding. I told you people that book at Destiny's coming in all gonna use that those changes fate with berries and telling everyone mark my words I keep saying it and saying it but not people believe me member. Oliver Changing his fate with berries with the book of destiny. Estany mark my words. That's right Luca. Thank you And again with worry But Yeah Oh wanNA and other air over snooze. There's I don't know face said what episode is but I guess in one of the episodes coming up in a twenty twenty supergirl girl after crisis there is still making the rounds on the Internet data car ripping her shirt open in front of like a crawl on feels like reporters so so. Are we really going the bend this route and having her reveal her identity to the world spend his friends lers to some kind of dream thing or another black mercy. Sisters something are is. It's GonNa you know we do have those contact lenses where people can see whatever they want. So is this Lena somehow somehow plotting out Kara or something. Who knows who knows how much crisis is going to change things Lilith where are you We also had black late. Ning this is going to be the like the weirdest one I think when it comes crisis wise because this show even more than I think about woman about woman's pretty grounded on the. She was in the crossover last year. It's like black. Lightning seems very grounded. Like the yeah you have people superpowers. But that's it like you really really don't see a lot of It's like Ooh some people have superpowers besides that very realistic world and then again. I don't know if a little talk has. She usually doesn't watch previews but next week. It looks like black lightning's going to have a crisis I crossover but from the previews it looks like red. Sky Is and Looks like maybe he's fighting. Evil other third dimensional version of his daughter or something so yeah I mean I knew. She said she believes her people who only watch Bach. Lightning Sal. Well how much of a shock and that can be for them. It's very grounding troublesome. They're going to be dealing with alternate realities and like we said last week. I I think I heard that black. Lightning is only going to appear on the flash and then what the legends episode after the break so for doing red skies on black lightning on Monday where we have to get a portal. There has to be a portal. He fall you know. I just wonder if it's going to be him going through a portal by itself or any the you know like a barrier Cisco or anything yes very on But I did like this. Episode would actually was wasn't a almost like a bottle episode. Well Not really but I mean Jefferson was basically protecting one building where what is his third grade. Teacher lived. Forget what grade. It was but To Him Henderson Henderson. Rhythm in Henderson come the terms Were at least uneasy truce We see in this Finally we see her come face to face their attacker and finally that math comes off again. This this whole it's I notice Superhero trope but just a little masking everyone into shock. Now it's you got Lyndon in Gambia. And you know I guess. Lind's dropped her drugs so she goes cold Turkey and again I mean. I don't think they would change a lot block. But it's like with crisis you could change it much but again if there's only people who white lightning are they gonNA turn them off the raiders. I would use but again I mean I know. Love has a theory that like on the first show runner or whatever that they really don't want any part of the bigger air overs. Wait what's the distance. I see a portal opening. I think loop through that Porter What's Love Hellfire. What yeah my computer hates for can get local? So I've been talking anyway. Sorry I've been talking for fourteen eight minutes. Why don't we? Why don't we hear from his little? Anyway I don't know so what I just briefly league touched on that woman supergirl and black lightning but What did you don't you don't WanNa talk anything about so? What did you think about what I was saying? I mean they'd like the amped up the whole Alice thing and I'm just you know. Kate's biggest defender Bonello son cheeses data count. Put the mad dog down. I'm just like I'm like okay. Then she went from zero crazy two point five seconds. Yeah and my his. It's like we're conspiracy a kind of a little bit of a break for this show but we come back to this Kinda over linked the whole Allison Wonderland and everything in to make a mad tea party or well. I mean besides crisis I guess they must they wanted to leave it in like not a cliffhanger but you know this is the last last episode besides the crisis episode until next year. So is it just like I guess they want a delay chatterly or they're gonNA kill Alice. You know some you know. Yeah which you know. They've done some brave moon so like Closing that chapter which you know. They're not cause clearly a lot more but yeah. I'm over the Allison Wonderland thing the lawn but this this episode just smacked me of okay okay. Let's wrap it up and then stop 'cause crisis coming. Yeah it is that it does help people bend the show you know they can get like. Sometimes it takes the show six episodes really get going and if you don't have time for that on a weekly basis so oh did you see there. I confronted I see it. I guess they're saying in the in the James Tynan's Batman comments that are coming up. I guess at first Lucious Fox is gonNA take like the tech side of l.. Oh for job. 'cause boil alerts Alford's dead but then he's like kind of grooming loop to take that job like boy wonder where they got that idea all actions more logical in the current books than it is. Shell right now. Yeah the yeah but I'm just like Lucozade costume and stuff. It was actually but now loses is grooming him to be the Tech Guy. That sounds familiar. Yeah Yeah y'all know half filled out when they do certain things from TV pincay incoming all right. I think I think I think that woman is actually improved a little bit off three episodes. So Oh yeah I think it had fine say like like fine. The you know like all for a lot of first season she hasn't I find sway in style and like again. The pacing is just weird. 'cause they like they WANNA do the origin and you're starting back at scratch but it's like a crisis is coming. So Oh yeah that's like we didn't see any red skies at the end of this episode right. Not that I'm aware so. That's what I'm saying is I don't know if this episode was up the dates arena do a time jump when we get to the crisis episode. Probably so yeah. They'll fix it in post. Don't worry about it. I'm from my mouth. They said like it's like he's not klay phases as it's like you can make it. Looks like a metal or something I get it. But he's just like. Hey slaps on what is face at hair. I Click a girl I can look at your. It's okay can we point to me. It's fine it's spy it'll get better. Don't worry about it. Let's talk about super grow. The quaker I hate the title Khan on so many levels. I don't care about hope. I only hear about Lena. So y'all must forgot about it. Hope our hours. His like the caution was like. Oh yeah that one girl said you think there's still hope for the for your fantastic. Victor Carin Lena Romance now only in fanfare the all. It can only exist in fantastic. I I will admit to it but I just have to say that it did feel super arised Episode right before crisis. Do you think you think on that front. Do you think all these shows wanted to kind of like many the season finales before crisis they have to in that unfortunate Like obviously when it comes to just like whatever for the crisis prices part like. It's not about her. It's about the mini Superman or whatever that are GONNA be there. Got Live action Kevin Conroy as old old man Bruce Taylor Argus Argus So much other stuff is so far outside of like supergirl. Bat Woman is pretty much the flashing Show that it's like did we really need. Don't outdo the other than that. The Clark's cousin like sand and already mentioned it. But talking to tyler about this the other day I mean did you see. That's still that's floating around for the second half of the season where she's like ripping her shirt open in front of reporters is is going to be like a dream or something or we haven't been this moment. We're not GONNA have our say it might have been this moment if they really want like next season to be of last. I season because once you do that. You just can't put edgy new back in a bottle for TV. Show your bedroom for them housecall liver. Yeah so definitely probably not what we think. I mean if nothing else I just don't think super get more than one one more season because that superman trials does coming Superman Lois Lane. Say I wouldn't be so quick to jump onto that Superman and Lois bandwagon afford TV. Show at like I said Tyler Very Divisive Superman Z.. Is kind of a bit of an older low and they have a kid like I honestly w like lightning is not doing it for people and he's got like full grown kids babies. It might not do it for a lot of people either SAN CW. I don't care if it makes sense. But if we're GONNA do commanded lowest show get brandon routh already getting them in crisis and I don't care for his wife Played dark make her lowest can know you would think thank you know the chemistry there and then it's the acronym where they get a divorce. Looking Dexter like dude. Where am I like working with your significant other in film TV? It's really stressful. You Work Eighteen hour days and you have to come home and do each other and wish that on anybody you know it. Wasn't that Dexter Surfing Weird. 'cause like wasn't she playing his sister but he was dating her in real life. Yeah and they got married and divorced and it ruined the show forever. That's Japan bite me. I don't care you know true and got time for your rose. Colored Fan grow glasses homie. I don't yet but no the brandon. I want more for Brandon. I do I want everybody like. It's just I feel like Superman women. Don't what about in this. Were getting a superman show. I mean if you WANNA keep supergirl. Why would people revolt back doc? Would people revolt if we had a weekly team up. Show that woman in supergirl. They're both very low rated shows. Unfortunately it hurts. It's my heart is a woman Ever Fan girl just like make sense. I mean hot do the world's finest show and I mean maybe combine their audiences which there might be some kind of here. We we gotTa Clean House in the DC shared universally glitches neon is. It'd be a bit much. I think that's what do 'cause I mean you go. You know you riot. You know there's going to be at least one death you know that. Yeah yeah so there may be. Hey that's those seven symbols. The you know the at the scene. They put at the end of every episode. This week with Nash though seven symbols bowls. That isn't GonNa be the seven who died. Is it 'cause I mean wondering if obviously right well CW. But I mean one of the symbols is an Arrow. Something like okay. Arkansas Kushner is at the order they die and cause the Arrow I think was the last one was like water. Be So lame if it was because what Brian. I was trying to figure out the symbols and I was like one. Looks like a helmet. I was a I I was like. That's supposed to be buried. What Oh oh they go? Yeah but I was GONNA say that Brandon Ralph's Outweigh Palmer. Water for Rape Palmer. Dies his lead in the show. That's what I'm saying. I don't know I don't know five rape as Rape Palmer. He's getting out of this crossover. That would be terrible because I know they said that. If if legends those were they definitely do want to have her back in some capacity. So I don't know but that's always that's the Hollywood's be happy. Yeah but he's also going to be superman to. You could always have superman but then when you have that tire that tyler aid show. I don't know Tom I don't know I don't know how honestly I don't know how everybody feels about. The whole situation are setting up their multi verse with crossovers. I mean really set it up with his crossover. So hey you want your cake man. You can have apple that often. TV Elise Eases Yours again. It I totally get. You're now like I talk to people on a daily basis my job now. People are no offence. Guys it it and people don't know about them. The multi like way after you explained. I don't I don't have time for this. I'm on my break. It's too long story. I'll use in comic books. I reading material is managed by the team fifteen minutes home. I'm sorry it's just like how do dumbness down. Were wonder yeah cause some people only wash the fire. Some people only watch whatever so. It's kind of like I don't know if they're gonNA go for it. I don't know I'm so nervous for this crossover now like I was now. Oh my God with his work with this makes things worse. I think it's good. I mean it's going to be good onscreen but like the after the aftermath like I just don't trust these people with the aftermath of the aftermath. Yeah I just mean that the actual event. I think it's going to be. Oh it's going to be amazing like I'm not going to nitpick I'm just GonNa Fan roll the whole three hours next year. The last to be the highest rated thing. CW's ever had mark my words. Oh me doom. Yeah yeah well. It's not hard to do but it's not hard to get along but yeah now supergirl any in anything more from her late late. I'm just I'm just so that I'm like a mad now about the crossover could is interfering with certain things just like damn it Am I at low. Lena's paints you feel so lonely and I just WanNa care like I rooted related. I don't care about Kara. Are It meant like dude. What happens to losers in a any kind of house of L.? Show like think about like everybody what it likes to be good. They're like no. You don't have to go down a dark path in our raised without with Lena. Is this something about a luther. y'All let's take it with a grain of salt introduced. Luther Kasim like you. No words going. Yeah marketplace it. Didn't have to be this way. Man Jimmy if we were going to do at the gym anyway so let's get to the meat and potatoes the real stars of the era verse like let's not mince words. We'll talk with Flash Janeiro. You don't WanNA touch lately. There's nothing to say. Poor guy. The Book of Resistance Chapter Three the battle of Franklin tears the titles are just getting longer. At least you're in Fort. He's defending ability. Yes yeah I'm I'm I'm not watching the crossover late. Men of the season matters terms. Let me really the crossover. That's all the matters about issue while giving there's anything to this finally figured out as Khalil who attacked her out your little mass dropped off. Yeah but you don't watch the pre. You don't watch the previews for next week right now. I'm utterly shocked that they haven't episode sweet. Well the shock was it's GonNa Kinda fit in because hey half the half the half the scenes they were giving us for next week. Red Red skies baby red skies. That's nice yeah. They make something matter. If they're bringing stuffing someone's mentioned something about alternate realities like it almost looks like Jefferson's fighting lead like an evil version of Jennifer or something there go in there. Yeah well get for them. Yeah so so that and watch the Oscar say so might so it may be kind of fits the theme. Even though it's like the modern official crossover I guess for the people that only wanted black lightning. They're like hey. So there's this other universe were tactically out routine genitalia. Doing thing and see things called alternate realities. You know like I said that'll be the last episode. I ever of right now. We'll move on with my life and we don't roll the condor on Disney blues folk. PATAK's not sorry all right. So do you want WanNa get to flash narrow then yes trees for the love of God flash season six episode eight the last temptation burial partout of course parts you. That was just so weird that they wanted to do a two part before Cresa. I'm just like okay. Wait a dredge the budget weekend midseason finale or maybe they're like hey crisis we've got some money I don't know man it wasn't I'm not gonNA marry a two parter. Let's let's just be honest like the material is stretched very thin. But I still enjoyed it. We've had worse episodes looking at you. I did watch singing episode yet as the worst episode. And then the Irish get your powers episode and then that episode where it's frigging cecile in plastic I mean elongated man. Yeah but yeah I mean. I don't know I get the walking dead vibes but I mean I guess they wanted that. Cliffhanger Colbert has been taken over but it's like you know is going to get out even last week. I was like he's going to fix get he's going to give him the crisis normal pictures. Hardly we knew you goodbye spoilers. He's locked in a cell now he could always come back unless your leg teddy sears. I should like version version of like a dark flash. You're not getting damn well. I mean he could always be working with somebody. Net second half of the season or something. Fingers Angers Crafts Martha auto like I'm still upset. Come on Cw Venom he's GonNa die that so oh God you set your black. I don't know I don't know I don't let they put this on on hold basically what is okay. Fine Lackluster. Everybody spinning their wheels. Oh spinning their wheels. Build up this bomb between Irish in buried West Allen to the core but only because I'm a comic book Fan. I'm it's GONNA be audited kiddies elegant separately but together onscreen. Stop trying to buy time. Give me something really. Yeah Yeah it's gotten really bad in the last season enor- immediately like I know. Nate really works in. They have it repaired for this season for me so I have a lot of issues. What hug it's no good? I still enjoy it but it's just like stop wasting your time Important things really hollow and empty. Now because we're deepen the seasons takes the longest show goes on less money. They gave a At the age of this show is showing I mean. Did they kinda call stuff out a little bit though. 'cause like even when you know Ramsey had berry control varies like. He's like why should he come back home. The Irish you're you basically you know. Hugh accepted his death breath in crisis. You didn't try to fight it because you lamp shade. It doesn't mean I'm not gonNA give crap about by. That is the rule China but I mean when killer frost. PTSD is at just like she's he no. She knocked Mishopin Chopin crisis you it now. I don't know I plus. She's pregnant with the whole thing. I know this closed as keeping bag your bag year by the end of the season or whatever is he just like being big news and excuse me like what belly. I don't see nothing now. Disease is going to be permanently. Be hearing groceries or standing behind a plant. Okay for my ninety kids. What's up if you ever watch the nanny? The leader the place. I think she was pregnant. Twice in the series in you you can tell you go back and watch the seasons now as adults early season when she was pregnant. Why why would she always sit down or was she like Holden Gordon stuff has always been like or like hiding behind plans shattered from behind or so obvious now? So that's the way I look forward to being and like I don't know Cisco Burn Polish backing. I Love Carlos like I've got sour grapes when it comes to Carlos now lay made me in his how he conducts himself. Outside of the character has Kinda Lake Howard me on the character a bit the last season if he now this season it's whatever wise. It was like zeal. Even is he not leaving. Yeah I don't don't don't play those games either Cooper get off the pot why I just one I mean it one. Is he getting his powers back in to another one. He's not gonNA make it out of crisis because again as he can replace by Chester. We are not keeping Chester. We Ralph and I. I didn't say anything but we gave Chesser at promise you. Somebody's getting a strongly worded letter in a basket full of rotten cheese. I don't know I just. I feel like somebody's dying from this cast because the cafe is pretty big. Now I mean yeah you know between zeal by to see. We got by go back in time in lake. Rabin Joe for meetings Waking Windsor. That was that baby Joe. It was out in the streets. The city feels at the office. Doing an could bet. That is Kennedy. I don't I guess to seals. Those daughter could babysit. I guess baby is terrible for. TV does but it's not like no you. You don't even throttle line. It's like oh the babysitter gotta get home my baby. There's always in the street. Nothing but no. I mean this Catholic and so big Cecile Ralph the Special Effects Budget Lake. Como all we gotTA CLEAN WE GOTTA clean out chester sticking around but then we have sticking around. We already got dream around Subaru. I am drawing the line at Chester. But then we got. What's her face now? You girl exactly. You're listening to all problems with the. That's what I'm saying. Look helping this cast is. I'm I swear I think you are. They're not as cool as you think you are being I did you say yes seriously. I mean we need like the Berry Iris. Now we need honestly as much loved. Joe He can go to. We need to notes you to people star. Labs will do they even did it even the day even call it out the at the end of the episode. When I was at CISCO'S I call member before all the double gangbangers and time travel and flash points what was just us? I bad guys. Yeah like people are algae for that. Look look how Aero Alaska Airlines doing where they're like. Yeah we're going to give you your service in a meaningful way a You're saying people communists owners wedge. They knew but again to that. Just like again general public. Go time travel. I can't think it time travel time travel makes me laugh. Honestly like advert fan primer would like like be most one of the most perp time travel movies ever. She's like yeah. Nobody's ever GONNA put thought into time travel as just a macguffin. Everybody Maddie Kinda Berry love's sweet time to the timeline. It's fine at this point. It's fine and like I don't know maybe it's just my impatience Sion's by one in buried a break free of Ramsey's horde like sooner. You know when he was like he'll Iras come on when he was gonNA save him his ears. We lightning rod phrasing. No but still it took them awhile to get get free after that you know until they blew up you know the the blood in the particle accelerator know many say I was waiting for his is the white star glow and it just like fight off the infection the symbol. I don't know man. I just hope that next after flashing dead or seasons avid obnoxious and at and I mean I know eventually got him the get distract Ramsey to put him in a cage but holiday defeat Ramsey. He called his mother in the second psycho. Oh let you infect me so I like to put your mother had always the mother saw. I just don't dig. You know maybe a serial killer like Here sometimes I put too much thought until it is late. Maybe he doesn't put enough thought over the air. Maybe you're hazardous calendars like I just can't t- need anymore. So hard word up. I want to hear that I will drive up there and kick your ass a will might be worth so yeah of course in the episode ends with red so I guess crisis officially starts immediately midnight right. Yes yes I'm like really I love it I like really it has to have. It has to start exactly at midnight. Credit risk is our drama. Okay and drama Queens WanNa make insurance they WANNA be fabulous either red skies and then I mean we got the the the teaser. He's here at the end of every episode this week in Nash Can put in by the Monitor. So does that mean. He's GONNA BE PARIAH THAN SUCH A. Bummer Yano it was more than that. Because he's promising empowering drags him in no hurry to or nothing what I guess I mean. We really can't go a too in depth on pariah because we have so many characters and we got a lot of stuff to get to Anna could said it was too he somehow Samat event. That's fine it's it's not gonNA be okay GONNA be okay ass in crisis team clash. Finally I mean. I don't even know if they know I. Who's he's gone? No one's mentioned anything on Flash butters have his powers at he didn't sense it or maybe I don't know but okay here's my big. What when When when Gypsies Dad showed up trinity he said dropped? Something like Oh yeah earth. Two's gone you know. I don't think the season the writers room was keeping in touch with ANA we. Yeah okay basically was because it soon so being they have so little time I pull it. Together Miana's okay. That's my nitpick with Aero I'm loving this season Arrow but mike okay. If you think all the multiversity at stake why wouldn't he call Berry in team Flash Casino. The secret base. Keep in what they tell not part. I'll try trying to be a better person. He can't keep us eager from basically his best friend. Oh sorry this publicity. Sorry sorrow my Laurie. All all right. Let's get the era. Okay is this was the weakest side Greg. What the weakest this week Susan eight episodes yeah purgatory? Because you know we're at yeah we episode for the season like I. I just wasn't feeling it. Why is this about off? y'All fe I know like I was like that too little too late on on his whole island dealing after they will arnold wannabe back here. Oh my God. I'm surprised surprised. They didn't give us just like some. I mean they didn't get the fight. I don't think one oh one reviews would've had one shot of connor and any fires. The people that I don't know just enough our I duNno one off. It is often well again. They're formula was tainted again this week and again I know he's in crisis but this is halo. This is the last episode the era this year. Yeah no kidding less. Well we'll get the episode won't know yeah the crisis one of the two more in twenty twenty and that's it I now three four episodes three more episodes arable. Get the cheat a little bit so being the episodes next week. It's going to be hazy shorter week next week. See we only both count black lightning four episodes next week. Plus you of Kevin's head. Yeah crying probably. Hey come over here on Tuesday night right after the flash beat with Kevin Smith like a Hollywood Yes I I don't know I don't know like it's so weird to me like I can't kitchen life without eero no wait. No one's injured like on UH Oh Hey even gone. Nobody has and it's remember. We'll be talking more Batmans and you know in a post aero world but a top their original original Batman Green Bet I four. We're we're going to have to run up the plane of big Arrow finale special. Yeah we definitely do have to do that. I don't care if anything else on that week. I think that week equation. Just focus on Aero. Yes agreed they're doing that After the after shows that was two hours the finale. Now if they're doing some kind of behind the scenes thing I thought but I don't. Yeah I don't know if it's before or after you do. They do the retrospective before. If they dented for gossip girl. I think it was a hill. And that's how Oh my God supranational going to be done. I'm probably going to be down with the. Oh I might be free of the DMZ DAB. You say that's the only thing keeping me on. CW though the Arrow versus still be watching the rest of them. But yeah we probably will be podcast casting about them as much will legend Avi but our past elections. Don't think you're getting out alleging Berkshire bubble that we were GONNA Batman here but we need to check on lighten. It lasts all we know it could be the last alleged supergirl. I know what he's going to be left on that show. Oh You know Sarah and Mick replacements I just need a does need to know whenever they bring very bad. I'm like yes. Oh my Lord episode was probably actually supergirl this week really. Yeah Yeah Wow that are important for Arrow in his last season that I have in my mind just didn't meet their criteria but like I mean I made me feel things. What do they salary you when they cut roy's arm off now the Whitney the day one when he showed up in the Red Lady I've been waiting? They were GONNA be speedy. This is going to be like well one. We're GONNA head it is Arma. When are we going to do this? That timeline yeah yeah. And I'm still bitter about the spin off and how they're handling the flash flash Is the whole thing with Arrow accepted. Said nine is going to be them right. No Oliver. That's what I'm insane. That's GonNa be weird so he's going to crisis episode bad door pilot and then the final ad in the kids are going to be not episode. Nine yeah then let's give you the final. That's what I'm saying. Is He dying crisis. And then you know is episode ten year to be Oh really dead. I don't know maybe we'll have to see what we pay overs. Think College is because they're spending their wheel because many had to like wrap it up and boy I again teasers. In southlake you'll become the next from here on out need to be lake at the end of the at the end of the year which was like literally impossible because a half filming schedules work but when you work with begin. It's hard for her. Everybody season the beginning open. Everyone sees with crossover. That's true that way you don't have to worry about you also. Have you have to think about their ratings. So basically we were were tweets. Not so I get Business standpoint but it's been it's been stressing me out the remember. Other years they would do the crossover then. Every show get like their midseason finale after the kernels. Although other I guess they become anti-climactic they have crisis that everyone has a commission. Now after exactly especially when you're chopping it up in the two parts. I'm so nervous for next week on. Well obviously Sunday's my birthday so I'm not going to be able to watch the row live. I'm not gonna be able to either. It's in London can be on an eleven o'clock here after the post office there are other ways Philo. I know maybe he might have to help. I'll be that are but it's just like you have a friend from Chicago to say. Oh yeah that could skype them watching together or something. They're not busy tyler. said he would keep it for or whatever just like what the I'm spoiled. I want the nice quality each. Yeah I know what you gotTa do you gotTa new. I mean again. It'll record at eleven. If nothing else I just watch the next day yeah. I felt so bad that they should have never started a crisis. This is on a Sunday late. Well I do have next Wednesday off. I should get drunk Tuesday night. Jerkin okay buddy. It is on that day me on the last year. I'm definitely be drawn all right so she already got it. Planned out green drinks junior cleanse Yup All right we get Outta here. Do Art everyone again. Join US here next week for crisis part one with a our special guests from the crypt tripped on report. 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The Flash S6E8, Arrow S8E7

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The Flash S6E8, Arrow S8E7

"This episode of keeps a lunatic sidekicks is brought to you by tweak Danica get awesome headphones get tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code. Southgate get thirty percent off for shipping in a lifetime. Warranty can get there through the link on our website southgate needed groups dot com and they're still parrot annual listing Luna take sidekicks podcast. Look up above. What does that red skies world anyway? Well Welcome back to the ledge of the aero verse and the Multi Want so here I. Am Phil joining me as always that Yup miss bloodwork herself full well. How far although her secret kernel apis look the ball so we had a the other full week this week? Yeah I mean but again that'll be the last one for a while maybe looking for people to it mean. Yeah you know 'cause we'll crisis zone they gotTA SPLIT UP The crisis. I'll know if I should to get the my My my my anger angry moment my local pictures cw. I won't be able to watch supergirl until Monday because the frigging They'RE GONNA have the post game steelers. postgame talk on at that time. which the game won't even on that channel it's on like the big? CBS Channel. But then they're going to do the post-game talk on CW. I'm like really interrupt. Frequent sixty minutes. Give me my cue me. My Crop my part crossover. That's right I said it. Make the old people wait the eight o'clock they'll be in bed anyway but yes so next week or hey. If you're listening to this podcast tomorrow you can join meatloaf live tomorrow night. Not Breath at nine fifteen immediately following the flash episode. We're going to break down the whole crowd while the first three parts of crisis for you with some special guests I can you hint Krypton. Report Mr Tyler. Mr James Superman Red Superman Campbell's Lilith. Oh now been sucked through a portal. She's about to become a hardware harbinger of things to come right Lilith really ignoring me. Lilith are you there all right. Oh really I can't hear you all right well like we said we have the full house this week. So Three there so I cannot hear you I hear nothing are while until we get back. Let me go over what we had this week. We had see like you said full House. We and a my list area about woman in season one episode eight a Mad Tea Party supergirl season five episode eight. The wrath of Ramakand lack lightning season three episode eight. The Book of Resistance Chapter Three the battle of Franklin terrorists again. Those panels keep getting longer and longer. I swear they're doing it. Just annoy me. The flash season the six episode eight the last temptation of Barry Allen part two and course Arrow season eight episode seven purgatory the last episode episode of Arrow for Twenty nineteen because once again Ariza upset and crisis isn't coming until January so if it when we get little backup sure she'd be like Oh let's get closer to the Yeah so let's get to will I. Of course about woman begins the week sees one episode eight a Mad Tea Party where basically Alice's basically comes out everybody come out grow consis you know kaethe has a kid has it out with her other sister and I guess after Alice Attacks Everyone Kate and her father ready to give up on her which is just seems weird it's like weren't they like You know I swear before. Kate was like you know she sees it actually mentally ill or whatever now she's just like yeah. Let's put it down like a mad dog. I don't know just seen kind of sudden and out. I guess it was just a place place to bookmark. The check Mark Webber Act just because you know again crisis coming. We're not going to get back to this to lease January yes So like I say this every week pretty much when we talk about women it just seems so weird. I don't know if it's the pacing about that woman like they wanted to rush and get the origin out. We had to get the allison but then it's like it's almost like okay. We spent through this spin our wheels for a little bit. 'cause crisis uses is coming which was weird because like we saw red skies on like a lot of like whoa in the flash narrow allred skies at the end of the episode because crisis coming thing Black lightning. We didn't play that just from what next week saw promos. It looks like we're getting red skies so again no trying to remember banks were going red skies either. So that's that's very weird But again I don't know if I'll about woman's in this weird spot it's like are we caught up to the present day. I know we with. When they mentioned the Arkham breakout we were caught? Up last year's crossover but slow for here I'm not sure if they've definitively said we've caught up to the present day or maybe when crisis starts next week. Do a little bit of time jumped something that I now lilith or probably rebidding hard-drive No no euphemism Via I was GONNA say maybe five through some quick thoughts l. An supergirl Burl Bhagat once again the battle with the agent skinner from the X. Files And of course. Lena Oh Lena in a makes off with myriad car goes the chaves her and stops lexus. Automated defenses from Boston Earth Kryptonite. So is Lena going to forgive Kara. Maybe eventually and again I mean probably all this probably come after crisis but hey lena's and crazes raises lacks well spoilers. At the end of the Superhero episode we saw the Monitor had lax. and He needs them for some purpose and hey is that the book destiny. We saw the monitor olding. I told you people that book at Destiny's coming in all gonna use that those changes fate with berries and telling everyone mark my words I keep saying it and saying it but not people believe me member. Oliver Changing his fate with berries with the book of destiny. Estany Mark My word. That's right Luca. Thank you And again with worry But Yeah Oh wanNA and other air over snooze. There's I don't know face said what episode is but I guess in one of the episodes coming up in a twenty twenty supergirl girl after crisis there is still making the rounds on the Internet data car ripping her shirt open in front of like a crawl on feels like reporters so so. Are we really going the bend this route and having her reveal her identity to the world spend his friends lers to some kind of dream thing or another black mercy. Sisters something are is. It's GonNa you know we do have those contact lenses where people can see whatever they want. So is this Lena somehow somehow plotting out Kara or something. Who knows who knows how much crisis is going to change things Lilith where are you We also had black late. Ning this is going to be the like the weirdest one I think when it comes crisis wise because this show even more than I think about woman about woman's pretty grounded on the. She was in the crossover last year. It's like black. Lightning seems very grounded. Like the yeah you have people superpowers. But that's it like you really really don't see a lot of It's like Ooh some people have superpowers besides that very realistic world and then again. I don't know if a little talk has. She usually doesn't watch previews but next week. It looks like black lightning's going to have a crisis I crossover but from the previews it looks like red. Sky Is and Looks like maybe he's fighting. Evil other third dimensional version of his daughter or something so yeah I mean I knew. She said she believes her people who only watch Bach. Lightning Sal. Well how much of a shock and that can be for them. It's very grounding troublesome. They're going to be dealing with alternate realities and like we said last week. I I think I heard that black. Lightning is only going to appear on the flash and then what the legends episode after the break so for doing red skies on black lightning on Monday where we have to get a portal. There has to be a portal. He fall you know. I just wonder if it's going to be him going through a portal by itself or any the you know like a barrier Cisco or anything yes very on But I did like this. Episode would actually was wasn't a almost like a bottle episode. Well Not really but I mean Jefferson was basically protecting one building where what is his third grade. Teacher lived. Forget what grade. It was but To Him Henderson Henderson. Rhythm in Henderson come the terms Were at least uneasy truce We see in this Finally we see her come face to face their attacker and finally that math comes off again. This this whole it's I notice Superhero trope but just a little masking everyone into shock. Now it's you got Lyndon in Gambia. And you know I guess. Lind's dropped her drugs so she goes cold Turkey and again I mean. I don't think they would change a lot block. But it's like with crisis you could change it much but again if there's only people who white lightning are they gonNA turn them off the raiders. I would use but again I mean I know. Love has a theory that like on the first show runner or whatever that they really don't want any part of the bigger air overs. Wait what's the distance. I see a portal opening. I think loop through that Porter What's Love Hellfire. What yeah my computer hates for can get local? So I've been talking anyway. Sorry I've been talking for fourteen eight minutes. Why don't we? Why don't we hear from his little? Anyway I don't know so what I just briefly league touched on that woman supergirl and black lightning but What did you don't you don't WanNa talk anything about so? What did you think about what I was saying? I mean they'd like the amped up the whole Alice thing and I'm just you know. Kate's biggest defender Bonello son cheeses data count. Put the mad dog down. I'm just like I'm like okay. Then she went from zero crazy two point five seconds. Yeah and my his. It's like we're conspiracy a kind of a little bit of a break for this show but we come back to this Kinda over linked the whole Allison Wonderland and everything in to make a mad tea party or well. I mean besides crisis I guess they must they wanted to leave it in like not a cliffhanger but you know this is the last last episode besides the crisis episode until next year. So is it just like I guess they want a delay chatterly or they're gonNA kill Alice. You know some you know. Yeah which you know. They've done some brave moon so like Closing that chapter which you know. They're not cause clearly a lot more but yeah. I'm over the Allison Wonderland thing the lawn but this this episode just smacked me of okay okay. Let's wrap it up and then stop 'cause crisis coming. Yeah it is that it does help people bend the show you know they can get like. Sometimes it takes the show six episodes really get going and if you don't have time for that on a weekly basis so oh did you see there. I confronted I see it. I guess they're saying in the in the James Tynan's Batman comments that are coming up. I guess at first Lucious Fox is gonNA take like the tech side of l.. Oh for job. 'cause boil alerts Alford's dead but then he's like kind of grooming loop to take that job like boy wonder where they got that idea all actions more logical in the current books than it is. Shell right now. Yeah the yeah but I'm just like Lucozade costume and stuff. It was actually but now loses is grooming him to be the Tech Guy. That sounds familiar. Yeah Yeah y'all know half filled out when they do certain things from TV pincay incoming all right. I think I think I think that woman is actually improved a little bit off three episodes. So Oh yeah I think it had fine say like like fine. The you know like all for a lot of first season she hasn't I find sway in style and like again. The pacing is just weird. 'cause they like they WANNA do the origin and you're starting back at scratch but it's like a crisis is coming. So Oh yeah that's like we didn't see any red skies at the end of this episode right. Not that I'm aware so. That's what I'm saying is I don't know if this episode was up the dates arena do a time jump when we get to the crisis episode. Probably so yeah. They'll fix it in post. Don't worry about it. I'm from my mouth. They said like it's like he's not klay phases as it's like you can make it. Looks like a metal or something I get it. But he's just like. Hey slaps on what is face at hair. I Click a girl I can look at your. It's okay convenient plot point as it spy spy. It'll get better. Don't worry about it. Let's talk about super grow the quaker I hate the title Khan on so many levels. I don't care about hope. I only hear about Lena. So y'all must forgot about it. Hope our hours. His like the caution was like. Oh yeah that one girl said you think there's still hope for the for your fantastic. Victor Carin Lena Romance now only in fanfare the all. It can only exist in fantastic. I I will admit to it but I just have to say that it did feel super arised Episode right before crisis. Do you think you think on that front. Do you think all these shows wanted to kind of like many the season finales before crisis they have to in that unfortunate Like obviously comes to cereal. I'm just like whatever for the crisis. Prices part like. It's not about her. It's about the mini Superman or whatever that are GONNA be there. Got Live action Kevin Conroy as old old man Bruce Taylor Argus Argus So much other stuff is so far outside of like supergirl. Bat Woman is pretty much the flashing Show that it's like did we really need. Don't outdo the other than that. The Clark's cousin like sand and already mentioned it. But talking to tyler about this the other day I mean did you see. That's still that's floating around for the second half of the season where she's like ripping her shirt open in front of reporters is is going to be like a dream or something or we haven't been this moment. We're not GONNA have our say it might have been this moment if they really want like next season to be of last. I season because once you do that. You just can't put edgy new back in a bottle for TV. Show your bedroom for them housecall liver. Yeah so definitely probably not what we think. I mean if nothing else I just don't think super get more than one one more season because that superman trials does coming Superman Lois Lane. Say I wouldn't be so quick to jump onto that Superman and Lois bandwagon afford TV. Show at like I said Tyler Very Divisive Superman Z.. Is kind of a bit of an older low and they have a kid like I honestly w like lightning is not doing it for people and he's got like full grown kids babies. It might not do it for a lot of people either SAN CW. I don't care if it makes sense. But if we're GONNA do commanded lowest show get brandon routh already getting them in crisis and I don't care if his wife played dark make her lowest can know you would think thank you know the chemistry there and then it's the acronym where they get a divorce. Looking Dexter like dude. Where am I like working with your significant other in film TV? It's really stressful. You Work Eighteen hour days and you have to come home and do each other and wish that on anybody you know it. Wasn't that Dexter Surfing Weird. 'cause like wasn't she playing his sister but he was dating her in real life. Yeah and they got married and divorced and it ruined the show forever. That's Japan bite me. I don't care you know true and got time for your rose. Colored Fan grow glasses homie. I don't yet but no the brandon. I want more for Brandon. I do I want everybody like. It's just I feel like Superman women. Don't what about in this. Were getting a superman show. I mean if you WANNA keep supergirl. Why would people revolt back doc? Would people revolt if we had a weekly team up. Show that woman in supergirl. They're both very low rated shows. Unfortunately it hurts. It's my heart is a woman relate as a fan girl just like make sense. I mean hot do the world's finest show and I mean maybe combine their audiences which there might be some kind of here. We we gotTa Clean House in the DC shared universally glitches neon is. It'd be a bit much. I think that's what do 'cause I mean you go. You know you riot. You know there's going to be at least one death you know that. Yeah yeah so there may be. Hey that's those seven symbols. The you know the at the scene. They put at the end of every episode. This week with Nash though seven symbols bowls. That isn't GonNa be the seven who died. Is it 'cause I mean one of the obvious right well. Cw but I mean one of the symbols is an Arrow. Something like okay. Arkansas Kushner is at the order they die and cause the Arrow I think was the last one was like water. Be So lame if it was because what Brian. I was trying to figure out the symbols and I was like one. Looks like a helmet. I was a I I was like. That's supposed to be buried. What Oh oh they go? Yeah but I was GONNA say that Brandon Ralph's Outweigh Palmer. Water for Rape Palmer. Dies his lead in the show. That's what I'm saying. I don't know I don't know five rape as Rape Palmer. He's getting out of this crossover. That would be terrible because I know they said that. If if legends those were they definitely do want to have her back in some capacity. So I don't know but that's always that's the Hollywood's be happy. Yeah but he's also going to be superman to. You could always have superman but then when you have that tire that tyler aid show. I don't know Tom I don't know I don't know how honestly I don't know how everybody feels about. The whole situation are setting up their multi verse with crossovers. I mean really set it up with his crossover. So hey you want your cake man. You can have apple that often. TV Elise Eases Yours again. It I totally get. You're now like I talk to people on a daily basis my job now. People are no offence. Guys it it and people don't know about them. The multi like way after you explained. I don't I don't have time for this. I'm on my break. It's too long story. I'll use in comic books. I reading material is managed by the team fifteen minutes home. I'm sorry it's just like how do dumbness down. Were wonder yeah cause some people only wash the fire. Some people only watch whatever so. It's kind of like I don't know if they're gonNA go for it. I don't know I'm so nervous for this crossover now like I was now. Oh my God with his work with this makes things worse. I think it's good. I mean it's going to be good onscreen but like the after the aftermath like I just don't trust these people with the aftermath of the aftermath. Yeah I just mean that the actual event. I think it's going to be. Oh it's going to be amazing like I'm not going to nitpick I'm just GonNa Fan roll the whole three hours next year. The last to be the highest rated thing. CW's ever had mark my words. Oh me doom. Yeah yeah well. It's not hard to do but it's not hard to get along but yeah now supergirl any in anything more from her late late. I'm just I'm just so that I'm like a mad. Now about the crossover kids is interfering with certain things just like damn it Am I at low. Lena's paints you feel so lonely and I just WanNa care like I rooted related. I don't care about Kara. Are It meant like dude. What happens to losers in a any kind of house of L.? Show like think about like everybody what it likes to be good. They're like no. You don't have to go down a dark path in our raised without with Lena. Is this something about a luther. y'All let's take it with a grain of salt introduced. Luther Kasim like you. No words going. Yeah marketplace it. Didn't have to be this way. Man Jimmy if we were going to do at the gym anyway so let's get to the meat and potatoes the real stars of the era verse like let's not mince words. We'll talk with Flash Janeiro. You don't WanNA touch lately. There's nothing to say. Poor guy. The Book of Resistance Chapter Three the battle of Franklin tears the titles are just getting longer. At least you're in Fort. He's defending ability. Yes yeah I'm I'm I'm not watching the crossover late man of the season matters terms. Let me really the crossover. That's all the matters about issue while giving there's anything to this finally figured out as Khalil who attacked her l little mass dropped off. Yeah but you don't watch the pre. You don't watch the previews for next week right now. I'm utterly shocked that they haven't episode sweet. Well the shock was it's GonNa Kinda fit in because hey half the half the half the scenes they were giving us for next week. Red Red skies baby red skies. That's nice yeah. They make something matter. If they're bringing stuffing someone mentioned something about alternate realities like it almost looks like Jefferson's fighting lead like an evil version of Jennifer or something there go in there. Yeah well get for them. Yeah so so that and watch the Oscar say so might so it may be kind of fits the theme. Even though it's like the modern official crossover I guess for the people that only wanted black lightning. They're like hey so there's this other universe were tactically out retain gingerly apartment. Doing thing and see things called alternate realities. You know like I said that'll be the last episode. I ever of right now. We'll move on with my life and we don't roll the condor on Disney blues folk. PATAK's not sorry all right. So do you want WanNa get to flash narrow then yes trees for the love of God flash season six episode eight the last temptation burial partout of course parts you. That was just so weird that they wanted to do a two parter right before CRESA. I'm just like okay. Wait dredge the budget weekend midseason finale. Or maybe they're like hey crisis we've got some money. I don't know man it wasn't enough to marry a two parter. Let's let's just be honest like the material is stretched very thin. But I still enjoyed it. We've had worse episodes looking at you. I did watch singing episode yet as the worst episode. And then the Irish get your powers episode and then that episode where it's frigging cecile in plastic I mean elongated man. Yeah but yeah I mean. I don't know I get the walking dead vibes but I mean I guess they wanted that. Cliffhanger Colbert has been taken over but it's like you know is going to get out even last week. I was like he's going to fix get he's going to give him the crisis normal pictures. Hardly we knew you goodbye. Well spoilers. He's locked in a cell now he could always come back unless your leg teddy sears. I should like version version of like a dark flash. You're not getting damn well. I mean he could always be working with somebody. Net second half of the season or something fingers angers crafts Mart they all like I'm still set. Come on Cw Venom he's GonNa die that so. Oh God you're black. I don't know I don't know I don't let they put this on on hold basically what is okay. Fine lackluster like everybody spinning their wheels. Oh spinning their wheels. Build up this bomb between Irish in bearing West Allen to the core but only because I'm a comic book Fan. I'm it can be audited kiddies elegant separately but together onscreen. Stop trying to buy time. Give me something really. Yeah Yeah it's gotten really bad in the last season enor- immediately like I know. It really works in. They have it repaired for this season for me so I have a lot of issues. What hug it's no good? I still enjoy it but it's just like stop wasting your time Important things really hollow and empty. Now because we're deepen the seasons takes the longest show goes on less money. They gave a At the age of this show is showing I mean. Did they kinda call stuff out a little bit though. 'cause like even when you know Ramsey had berry control varies like. He's like why should he come back home. The Irish you're you basically you know. Hugh accepted his death breath in crisis. You didn't try to fight it because you lamp shade. It doesn't mean I'm not gonNA give crap about by. That is the rule China but I mean when killer frost. PTSD is at just like she's he no. She knocked Mishopin Chopin crisis you it now. I don't know I plus. She's pregnant with the whole thing. I know this closed as keeping bag your bag year by the end of the season or whatever is he just like being big news and excuse me like what belly. I don't see nothing now. He's he's out permanently. Be hearing groceries or standing behind a plant. Okay for my ninety kids. What's up if you ever watch the nanny? The leader the place. I think she was pregnant. Twice in the series in you you can tell you go back and watch the seasons now as adults early season when she was pregnant why why would she always sitting down or was she like holden. Gordon stuff is always sitting down to Tony's Devon like or like hiding behind plants shattered from behind or so obvious now so that's the way I look forward to being and like I duNNO CISCO Burn Polish backing. I Love Carlos like I've got sour grapes when it comes to Carlos now lay made me in his how he conducts himself. Outside of the character has Kinda Lake Howard me on the character a bit the last season if he now this season it's whatever wise. It was like zeal. Even is he not leaving. Yeah I don't don't don't play those games either Cooper get off the pot why I just one I mean it one. Is he getting his powers back in to another one. He's not gonNA make it out of crisis because again as he can replace by Chester. We are not keeping Chester. We Ralph and I. I didn't say anything but we gave Chesser at promise you. Somebody's getting a strongly worded letter in a basket full rotten cheese. I don't know I just. I feel like somebody's dying from this cast because the cafe is pretty big. Now I mean yeah you know between a seal by to see we got by go back in time in Lake Rabin Joe for meetings Waking Windsor. That was that baby Joe. It was out in the streets. The city feels at the office. Doing an could bet. That is Kennedy. I don't I guess to seals. Those daughter could babysit. I guess baby is terrible for. TV does but it's not like no you with thirty with throttle line. It's like oh the babysitter gotta get home my baby. There's always in the street. Nothing but no. I mean this Catholic and so big Cecile Ralph off on Special Effects Budget Lake. Como all we gotTA CLEAN WE GOTTA clean out chester sticking around but then we have sticking around. We already got dream around Subaru. I am drawing the line at Chester. But then we got. What's her face now? You girl exactly. You're listening to all problems with the. That's what I'm saying. Look helping this cast is. I'm I swear I think you are. They're not as cool as you think you are being I did you say yes seriously. I mean we need like the Berry Iris. Now we need honestly as much loved. Joe He can go to. We need to. You need to people star. Labs will do they even did it even the day even call it out the at the end of the episode. When I was at CISCO'S I call member before all the double gangbangers and time travel and flash points where it was just us? I bad guys. Yeah like people are algae for that. Look look how aero but last season airlines doing where they're like. Yeah we're going to give you your service in a meaningful way a You're saying people communists owners wedge. They knew but again to that. Just like again general public. Go time travel. I can't think it time travel time travel makes me laugh. Honestly like advert fan primer would like like be most one of the most perp time travel movies ever. She's like yeah. Nobody's ever GONNA put thought into time travel as just a macguffin. Everybody reminding Kinda Berry love's sweet time to the timeline. It's fine at this point. It's fine and like I don't know maybe it's just my impatience Sion's by one in buried a break free of Ramsey's horde like sooner. You know when he was like he'll Iras come on when he was going to save him his ears. We lightning rod phrasing. No but still it took him allowed to get get free after that you know until they blew up you know the the blood in the particle accelerator. No many he'll IRAS waiting for his is the white star glow and it just like fight off the infection the symbol. I don't know man. I just hope that next after flashing good or seasons avid obnoxious and at and I mean I know eventually got him the get distract Ramsey to put him in a cage but howdy defeat Ramsey. He called his mother in the second psycho. Oh let you infect me so I like to put your mother had always the mother saw. I just don't dig. You know maybe a serial killer like Here sometimes I put too much thought until it is late. Maybe he doesn't put enough thought over the air. Maybe you're hazardous calendars like I just can't t- need anymore. So hard word up. I want to hear that I will drive up there and kick your ass a will might be worth so yeah of course in the episode ends with red so I guess crisis officially starts immediately midnight right. Yes yes I'm like really I love it I like really it has to have. It has to start exactly at midnight. Credit risk is our drama. Okay and drama Queens WanNa make insurance they WANNA be fabulous either red skies and then I mean we got the the the teaser. He's here at the end of every episode is weakened. Nash can put in by the Monitor. So does that mean. He's going to be pariah than such a bummer Yano. I'll tell them there. It was more than empowering drags him in no hurry to or nothing what I guess I mean. We really can't go a too in depth on pariah because we have so many characters and we got a lot of stuff to get to Anna could said it was too he somehow Samat event. That's fine it's it's not gonNA be okay GONNA be okay ass in crisis team clash. Finally I mean. I don't even know if they know I. Who's he's gone? No one's mentioned anything on Flash butters have his powers at he didn't sense it or maybe I don't know but okay here's my big. What when When when Gypsies Dad showed up trinity he said dropped? Something like Oh yeah earth. Two's gone you know. I don't think the season the writers room was keeping in touch with ANA we. Yeah okay basically was because it soon so being they have so little time I pull it. Together Miana's okay. That's my nitpick with Aero I'm loving this season Arrow but mike okay. If you think all the multiversity at stake why wouldn't he call Berry in team Flash Casino. The secret base. Keep in what they tell not part. I'll try trying to be a better person. He can't keep us eager from basically his best friend with well. Sorry this publicity. Sorry sorrow my Laurie. All all right. Let's get the era okay. Is this was the weakest side Greg. What the weakest this week Susan eight episodes yeah purgatory? 'cause you know we're at yeah we episode for the season like I. I just wasn't feeling it. Why is this about off? y'All fe I know like I was like that too little too late on on his whole island dealing after they will arnold wannabe back here. Oh my God. I'm surprised surprised. They didn't give us just like some. I mean they didn't get the fight. I don't think one oh one reviews would've had one shot of connor and any fires. The people that I don't know just enough our I duNno one off. It was off well again. They're formula was tainted again this week and again I know he's in crisis but this is halo. This is the last episode the era this year. Yeah no kidding less. Well we'll get the episode won't know yeah the crisis one of the two more in twenty twenty and that's it I now three four episodes three more episodes arable. Get the cheat a little bit so being the episodes next week. It's GonNa be hazy shorter week next week. See we only both count black lightning four episodes next week. Plus you of Kevin's head. Yeah crying probably. Hey come over here on Tuesday night right after the flash beat with Kevin Smith like a Hollywood Yes I I don't know I don't know like it's been so weird to me like I can't kitchen life without eero. No wait. No one's GonNa be a Oh Hey even gone. Nobody has and it's we'll member we'll be talking more Batmans and you know in a post aero world but a top their original original Batman Green Bet I four. We're we're going to have to run up the plane of big Arrow finale special. Yeah we definitely do have to do that. I don't care if anything else on that week. I think that week if we should just focus on aero yes agreed they're doing that After the after shows that was two hours the finale. Now if they're doing some kind of behind the scenes thing I thought but I don't. Yeah I don't know if it's before or after you do. They do the retrospective before. They dented for gossip. Girl I think it was once rehill and that's how Oh my God supranational going to be done. I'm probably going to be down with the. Oh I might be free of the DMZ DAB. You say that's the only thing keeping me on. CW though the Arrow versus still be watching the rest of them but yeah we probably will be podcast casten about them as much will legends Abbey but our past elections. Don't think you're getting out. Alleging burchard bubble Fiona Batman here. But we need to check on lighten it lasts all we know it could be the last alleged supergirl. I know what he's going to be left on that show. Oh You know Sarah and Mick replacements I just need a Disney to know whenever they bring very bad man. I'm like yes. Oh my Lord episode was probably actually supergirl this week really. Yeah Yeah. Wow that are important for aero in his last season that I have in my mind. Just didn't meet their criteria. But like I mean I made me feel things. What do they salary you when they cut? Roy's arm off now the Whitney the day one when he showed up in the Red Lady. I've been waiting. They were GONNA be speedy. This is going to be like well one. We're GONNA head it is Arma. When are we going to do this? That timeline yeah yeah. And I'm still bitter about the spin off and how they're handling the flash flash Is the whole thing with Arrow accepted. Said nine just going to be them right no Oliver. That's what I'm insane. That's GonNa be weird so he's GonNa have his crisis episode bad door pilot and then the final ad in the kids are going to be not episode nine. Yeah then let's give you the final. That's what I'm saying. Is He dying crisis. And then you know is episode ten year to be Oh really dead. I don't know maybe we'll have to see what we pay overs. Think College is because they're spending their wheel because many had to like wrap it up and boy I again teasers. In southlake you'll become the next from here on out need to be lake at the end of the at the end of the year which was like literally impossible because filming schedules work. But when you work with begin. It's hard for her. Everybody sees it the beginning open. Everyone sees with crossover. That's true that way you don't have to worry about you also. Have you have to think about their ratings. So basically we were were tweets. Not so I get it from a business standpoint but it's been it's been stressing me out the remember. Other years they would do the crossover. Then every show get like their midseason finale after the kernels although other I guess they become anti-climactic they have crisis that everyone has a commission. Now after exactly especially when you're chopping it up in the two parts. I'm so nervous for next week on. Well obviously Sunday's my birthday so I'm not going to be able to watch the row live. I'm not gonna be able to either as in London can be on an eleven o'clock here after the post office there are other ways Philo. I know maybe he might have to help. I'll be that are but it's just like you have a friend from Chicago to say. Oh Yeah skype them watching together or something. They're not busy tyler. said he would keep it for or whatever just like what the I'm spoiled. I want the nice quality each. Yeah I know what you gotTa do you gotTa new. I mean again. It'll record at eleven. If nothing else I just watch the next day yeah. I felt so bad that they should have never started a crisis. This is on a Sunday late. Well I do have next Wednesday off. I should get drunk Tuesday night. Jerkin okay buddy. It is on that day me on the last episode of Iran definitely be drawn all right so she already got it. Planned out green. Drinks junior cleanse Yup All right we get Outta here. Do Art everyone again. Join US here next week for crisis part one with a our special guests from the crypt tripped on report. And yes you. If you're listening to us on the podcast join us tomorrow night immediately. After Flash. Don't bother with Kevin Smith come join US talkback. Fool talk back to you on TV. 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Crisis On Infinite Earths Crossover, Secret Warps Iron Hammer Annual #1: Superconnectivity Episode #248

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Crisis On Infinite Earths Crossover, Secret Warps Iron Hammer Annual #1: Superconnectivity Episode #248

"This episode of ticks brought to you by tweaked audio awesome headphones tweak audio dot com and use the punt southgate hitting thirty percent off reshipping in a lifetime warranty working get their link on our website southgate media group dot com. Hey kiddo welcome once again his superconductivity. I am your host. Charlie professor esser and with me as always is is the man who never has a problem with his air. <hes> fill fill me impaired nice short gets out of his is the unwielding not that my head. I can't stand it nests. Were those who actually happen and watch. You know you get to see me having come here. Oh oh okay. The first thing that was actually i didn't even know about but actually when my book guy was talking to me about it. I said uh-huh yeah. That's kind of right because the first issue of meiomi is worth like fifty bucks now. I did see yeah like that. It was going on yet the price but yeah. I know it's just been killing for guy big money on the internet and stop it. I know i am going to say totally worth it. That is a great vote. It's a great series now and if you really need that first issue for some reason because i don't think my bucks i had it. I read it and i loved it. Oh so do you think it is this what you're talking about before about that the speculators market once again and again like i said my combo guy says you know what is he asked me. You know what you you said yeah and he says waiting about this new speculation as there's a speculation boom you yeah yeah. I wonder if it's because it's like you know ben. This is on there with david walker and if people were expecting naomi to be the new jessica jones on the dc decide similar but you know you know ben this create your on that side now yeah what was actually my. I was just using that as an example yeah yeah that's the kind of thing that inspires this kind of speculation but the fact that again according to my comic book guy and he would know he sells comedy clubs bucks. There is a real uptick in this speculative market of people buying flip in hopes of gaining money you know and you know it's ninety s nostalgia man it's everything's back in the ninety s lo yeah i mean i mean i see that now especially like on marvel side ride like people were going to try to start picking up the first issue. Sam wilson was captain america or the first jane foster thor yeah well. I mean certainly there's a possibility you see but here's the thing <hes> the one box market. Is something in the speculator market so if you go back now uh-huh. Let's go get that first issue of jane foster thor. That's a different thing to purchase than here is the here's issue one of this book that you can buy for five dollars and you're hoping you're going to sell it a week or a month or a year for fifty but that's the thing i don't think an a number one holds cachet anymore because they reboot every year the two years you know so. It's like well yeah but i think money uae well money wise in number one lost its value now. It's like they're bringing so-and-so character into the empty you. Where was their first appearance. That might go up in. You know yeah but what i'm saying but again that's a different. That's a different i._p._o. Market see what killed the nineties because the speculators market when when they talk about the speculation market you're talking about the nineties superman you know you know like like todd mcfarland spiderman the number one and then that x. men number one. I mean that's those were the days where they weren't thrown out number one every two seconds. I think people were like oh brand new number one. This is going to be worth money. You know <music> but but the thing was is that there's this market that gets created where people are buying stuff with intention flipping it quickly. It's one thing when when you buy so for example by mcfarland's first appearance in spider man and you say i feel this is gonna be worth money. I'm going to put it in my long box to save for twenty years and then it's going to be like a fantastic four number one in you know by the eighties. It was worth one hundred thousand dollars. You know <hes> <hes> that is that is a different kind of market than the speculators speculators market is when people are just buying tons of books and i'm trying to sell them on ebay quickly. Which happens 'cause you'll see this because the book sells out and now people are going to pay thirty five bucks for it on ebay and that's it's a different market and the question that i kind of come to is the speculators killed the comic book industry in the ninety but mostly account book industry in the ninety s because because marvel in d._c. And a thousand indie publishers kind of thought this was going to go on forever yeah. They didn't plan for this occurrence. You know it's kind of this kind of like the funchal pop market now. Where are you i. I'm in the fucking. <unk> is basically they're. They're useless toys and all of you that you can't play with them. They they literally just made to sit on setting a box in your show. <hes> you have michael just making funded. I talk with my hands covering up the ones over. I'm like okay over there. Oh a boxer worth us now. Everyone knows that second you for your toy the maj. The money the money that one in the middle was a gift from little health. I never saw that. That's very good. We'll we'll. We'll see what your kid does someday de. Let's junk. What are you going to do with this exactly with money now anyway <hes> yeah <hes> tom. That's why trash all my stuff so my kids know. It's worthless. So do you think like <hes>. The fuel in this new speculator market is on all. I liked the all the superhero movies and t._v. shows. I mean you can't you can't like cathro rock and what hit like a superhero propert anymore. Well yeah i mean i think that's a big part of it. It's bringing the idea that into the mainstream into the public eye but more along the lines. It's also creating this idea that there is this this value to these project products that <hes> that is unrelated to it's either cultural or historical value so when and mrs like between the long bond market and the speculator now you can speculate to buy something put it in the long then you're you're taking that time before you so so yeah it's the idea flipping which is sort of what you had back in the back in the nineties where the death of superman you know still in back was selling for one hundred bucks. You know if people that oh this is the lesson but of course why would you buy if you're not going to open the bag. Oh how do you know it's in there. They could just put paper in there. You know every so often you'll see that unopened pack of chewing gum making seven could be could be rookie card in here. Maybe probably not because they were rare but the baseball cards not the ones that went up in value faithful about baseball cards for one for one summer. It's like putting torturing cards. It's like you know there's two sentences the bottom that's it at least with comic books reading story in order to like i well. You always gonna be a star wars to say. I got pulled as horrible see puzzles over than you hana before. They had cow how you had to have a major licensed property back. Then best is what this but no when i was really young like what was that like early eighties i remember like those star wars was cards. I think they even had them from like e._t. And stuff <hes> yeah. I remember this yeah yeah but you know it's an interesting interesting development. It does rhyme of the nineties and it does it and i know from my comic book is worry. It's like man we we go through this again. Because of course this is a store. That's been around since since the eighties so they were they've been through it. They've seen that that that that that day when they were put money on these kinds of books and now they're like don't get excited but i did notice. They've actually hired new staff. Oh nice yeah you know got these young kids in there. I've never never seen before but you know but yeah but naomi so the ripple effect is occurring once again spend spend as well. You know oh causing chaos chaos wherever he goes to me. They always looked at deserves it. I can see naomi being turku six hundred yeah. Definitely you know she could very easily be d._c.'s new ms marvel. That's what i'm saying. I wonder if that's the whole thing is like people were waiting. I think this book is against skyrocket. She makes her parents and like you know live action or animated something or other yeah yeah. I mean it's entirely possible i if one whereas worth maybe there's more to the speculation that i think it is more creator driven. You know i i i am sure stuff like bitter. Root is getting getting a lot of hype on on the markets because of the cachet of the artist. I is on site. It's not just the gimmick of the book. You know who's in this issue. This one dies you know <hes>. I know kids. It's not about just you know multiple covers although we do at marvel covers for a while now and as my comfort with her yeah i get guys who they need off fifty covers. They need all of them. Yeah come um and you know. The guy says he says to him. You know and it's like you know and of course you have but this is actually where i think marvel is being smart. Were they are designing in very much in the way that funk. Oh does with their manufactured collectable junk toys with some of them. Uncle toys are awful yeah you. He's worth it yeah. Definitely it okay <hes>. They said they weren't good for me. Yeah yeah so there. There are problems. I've heard him say that like a lot of times. It's well especially with the five nights at freddy's funchal toys kind of poorly made box. I've heard what's your question. I'm trying to lose him. Apparently he's basically but he had these waiter but as also technology steel spider silver what well there was a character steel spider in the eighties who was a yeah but he he was actually actually got his fat kid but it was a super genius kid and actually i read steel sweaters origin. It's really great like used to be in a group and he used to used to just just like that because he made the yeah yeah but then he made the spiderman arms and then he actually like made billionaire lost lot of way and then look at all and his wife left him yeah he's had. He's had some pretty weird choice. I remember they actually brought on backing i. M. c. two story wants where like you know the you. Generation of superheroes like no man. You were still spider. You're awesome. It's like really i thought of santa kind of a loser you know see. What do you need me here. You can do this show which yeah i could i could. I know i was gonna say if it's right like i do like you decide. You don't even need me but no he's saying. It's looks like spider man and silver armor. Peter parker's like one issue. I think it was a web of spider man one hundred he like invented like this armor it yeah they're like no spark the inose i think it was like an iron man suit who's basically just a suit of armor ago. You know up against a group of milne's. I mean what is cheaper that. Let me think it's still spider. Spider wasn't character and one of the video games over awesome. I love still sputter. Don't don't don't don't hate until yeah but he had to like those spider on his back so i just wanted to worry about confusing him with superior it will actually and then there's actually another what if story where peter parker doesn't get steel spider arms himself yes genius yes. I think i think someone twenty minutes our class palm center yeah yeah. There's lots associate captain spider. I like spider he he tries to do right. You know but it's hard to do right. When you're you know not smart you know <hes> oh you know speaking of <hes> speaking of genesis or the overuse of the word <hes> tarantino has a new film company called once upon a time in hollywood and this thing i of you know this was <hes> i had a bad feelings about because of one scene in the taylor. You're where you basically have bruce lee bragging about how his hands are deadly weapon. If i get into a fight with someone tonight kill them out of jail and brad pitt says that'll have anyone getting fight with somebody who killed a pool which is true and funny. <hes> like better the first time i heard it in a frigging jailhouse rock come up with your own wines right something that's original for once yeah hack yet <hes> nowhere somewhere yeah i think bruce. Lee's daughter set off a problem with a lot of people who are like you know from the lee. Lee honestly gonna take if you're gonna it. Make a iconic character jerk bruce. Lee is not the guy to do it okay. This is a guy who was he was beloved and there is not really a lot of negative stories out there about like the worst store you have about it is that he was kind of a workaholic. Dad which you know g a workaholic dad and sixties was is that something yeah yeah new you know i mean and then he did work himself at that and then you have to leave family curse story storyline all that kind of stuff but no you know as as his wife said you know bruce was always getting constant fight scene never wanted to find people on set because he had no reason to <hes> he was he was the he was by many by many accounts by chuck norris own account so hey you you can't hate i'm bruce lee if you like chuck norris and who who was legitimate karate champion actually one goal for those who don't know how we know who chuck nurses that's his that's his that <hes> that you know bruce lee you know he did the one inch punch a lot of really we really fancy almost superhero kind of stuff and that's what bruce lee's entire art was he elevated the art of martial martial arts to an actual art form and really really made made the american <hes> interest in that come through come for world and kung fu legends <hes> of which is always happy is still and then it strikes me now because apparently apparently so spoilers for this movie from that's not in a trailer is apparently brad pitt beats risley in the fight. I know oh ooh brad pitt. Christly you know <hes> what it strikes me that this is not the first time that tarantino said no who should be the best kung fu in the world are white protagonists this should i was going to say whatnot seem doesn't that seem they got out of the white probably beat like one of the if not the best well-known <hes> asian martial arts act well. Yeah i mean you know the the white hero complex. I mean yeah. It is a trope but it's a bad trump is trump. You're supposed to avoid and if you know that's supposedly nitwit any strikes me that even when he's fighting nazis you make sure it's blue eyed blond haired. Aryan superstar brad fed up. They're leaving the inglorious bastards you know i think the guy has a real problem people you know. Even you know even django unchained. I i get the feeling that there is. I think there's a lot of racism there that you don't see actually i actually think <hes> a horrible racist. I'm gonna say it. I'll about racist but i think he's he's angry humanity for some reason. Don't ask me why but there's no one wants to talk with him. I got law. I think he was picky before he became famous. I think he would you know get a lot of respect probably from many people yeah well probably but you know i don't think it was because he was. I think it was because he has a bad personnel because i don't see. I don't see this guy having a good personnel. I'm going to go out on a limb. I think probably a jerk and you don't believe me you know. Come on this show and defense defend your mr tarantino. Defend your reservoir dogs us. You know yeah but that that's it and i just think this is a recurring theme with him. I think anthony's often had this problem where he has held this store that own maggio's you know the great great grind house thumbs in the seventies but doesn't understand that you can recall those stories in an intelligent way they don't have to be as tone deaf and and poorly made as the originals you know and you know that's the thing i just. I just don't think you know and as they say you know how has one black protagonist <hes>. I guess maybe it's safe. Foxy brown pigment so yeah okay so there you go so his second i yeah i mean i tour bill. I mean he basically you know your main protagonist. Protagonist in woman get raped blocks. We're gonna filmer yeah. Oh yeah and of course you. You know our main building. There of course is is the guy who's sole <hes> bruce. Lee's job on crew. You know what maybe cast some well kabila but at the same time you know there's just there's just a lot going on there that i'm not i'm not quite sure about and i and i knew when i saw that seeing that because that was really excited about this film everything else about this really seemed like something i would enjoy but then they put that scene in there like this is going to ruin when the film isn't it. This is going to make this a bad film. Isn't this is gonna. This is gonna be the martha moment for the smell now. I don't know if it's going to have enough better moments. It make you forget about the martha moment but from the way i'm getting press on this. I'm thinking that you get stuck in that. Martha moment and you never get out. Well yeah you know and and that's that's a that's a trap. Whether you gotta avoid your martha moments i mean they could bog down a good movie and just look what it did batman v superman yeah that was well you know i think i think it yet. They're the martha just made you because it just stopped. You just make you realize how much much of everything else was bad. I mean you know we're batman. Fan and i enjoyed that movie for the most part are asleep yeah. It was just it was just. I don't care if they pay. They're taking down the snyder. Quit site does in the end. No one cared because again much like josh ranks was really making a better from that. He may say. It's not well written or not well main. What's more what's more more that gonna do exactly laws more exactly you know 'cause even the stuff stuff that he thought was good was actually very bad so i mean that's the problem. That's the problem with these with these guys like tarantino like snyder mhm so in love with their own stuff. They never think that you know maybe this isn't what i should be doing. Maybe this story. We actually be there. Maybe i need to look at what i'm saying. Look what i'm writing and maybe think about how that might look talked to someone who isn't me and you know that's the problem with now. You talk about some good filmmaking right now something. I thought i was going to be awful. I was i was very i was at first. I got excited about it. I got mad about it. I just wish the season and i am completely one eighty right right back on it. The boys is phenomenal like i said i just i just started it. I'm like halfway through the first episode of yeah. I mean i'm going to warn you man. It is it gets raunchy. It gets dirty not as bad as the comics well. I mean are taking up more human than i already saw the scene where the deepa aw why don't have how far he goes but see him trying to pull me to movements moyer oh well they touch back on that. It's the deepest the deepest so opperman even jason momoa. No i mean like i mean they make them look like jason momoa hera but he has so to be super friends aqua man you know everyone treats and poorly and he does lash out in these component is macaroni well you know he does he does talk to aquatic life and you know it's <hes> but it is that reality that no one cares about the ocean that is his constant travel is that you know he is the ruler of seventy five percent of the planet but nobody nobody goes there. You know so so. Can i assume i mean i'll watch more but can i assume he's lying when he says number to here yeah you can yeah. I don't ever remember anyone saying akron was in the you know god no. I think you've gotta get like sometime. After i mean may say akron big enough star that he got into the original super friends oh so he was arguing the fourth member he was the fourth quadrant quadrille. Why do we know the quad squad anyway. He was there in the in the super friends but this is the boys and at eight the super threats and yeah and in our modern ranking. I think even out opperman is like you know. After the flash batman superman wonder woman flash the i was going to greenland him before the i was gonna say flash and and green lantern nocco manhattan to get out now green lantern at least is is is is power yes yeah yeah the way more powerful and although they have us this great story about being the fastest man alive and you know and adrian having to defend and his title at these track meets against other super speed superheroes quasar they detract me or <hes> it was like an intergalactic thing but like held by the runner yeah yes yes running that is that is the thing that keeps death at <unk> outrun debt of all of the of all of the coverage of the universe. The runner is probably elect really that's. That's your house mick upset. She didn't running like general have let it be like the champion is kind of like general athletics but it's like no. I just run fast get you. That's what i've been gets rewarded. Gets the adrenalin up but you know but but now we're kind of suggests that shouldn't the runner be the fastest alive because he is the runner like if someone is technically faster than him shouldn't yes awesome to die immediately just but his categorizing as a man is he more like a deity or some kind of higher lifeforms the others of the universe are and this is like like new origin is that as all of their race died out day the the essence of the race convinced them so yeah you could argue that they're like gods although that also suggests so you know when they have kids like the collector has a child ever actually had a wife and of course the gardner has a child doc whether or not that causes them to lose some of their essence they will die and then their child will become the elder in a it's an interesting question about about the universe. I don't know i don't know how that works but <hes> it apparently does <hes> yeah but the boys it's. It's just fantastic you know. I got very worried because they cancelled the tech and i was. I really wanted to do a compare contrast to the view. I think i can still do that. <hes> i think that the dark conspiracy a heart <hes> of <hes> of hot does put it in a different different direction than what we see in the tick tick. Superheroes are more naturally created. Although that said you know i mean there's a real question isn't that you're going to have <hes> are these characters naturally created ever or is it just compound damaging campo leeann imaging compound in the first first episode because the senator benching compound so it's interesting that you play with a lot of stuff with that and it's actually really good. They have a really neat hake on something. That's in the book in the original book 'cause they do change but yours origin a bit but in a brilliant way and what they do is very fascinating and opens up a lot for what the story can be and homeland is a very fascinating character than what i kind of feel like the boys does to a really great. I won't say it does create a patient. 'cause i really was not. I didn't eat a lot of the boys. I've read a few issues. I know the basic facts store. I've read the wikipedia in oh. I enjoyed the books. I've read but you know tony bucks and so little time but as i watch the boys it's like this is really good. This is really really good night. Season to recruit uh-huh eilly watched the half of the first episode but i don't know why it struck me this way and maintenance because they had a series like in like in the early two the old maybe mid to thousands whatever but you know what you have kit come in the mind burmese not like eight. Oh that you know like aquaman superman basically out thinking squadrons squadron supreme for several yeah yeah. It's kind of yeah. I mean it's well. I mean it's definitely squadron sinister minister yes yeah. Did you read that <hes> let like <hes> mature rated book in the in the two thousands. Oh yes green how they're whatever yeah which i think was kind of intentionally didn't intentionally an answer to our gritty boots because as people will point out that actually actually the superhero deconstruction was done first by marvel widens desks when it had ongoing series <hes> in the eighties came up before watchmen did <hes> you know buy yes yes by markelov the great you know and you know it's a great series great books love squadron <hes> and touched on so many things other other stories touch on later in the way that they evolved them but but <hes> yeah it's it's. It's it's an interesting. Take on these two bureaus and actually almost gives you a moment to where are you kinda simple especially for episode. Will you sympathize homeland when they're at the <hes> at starbucks i dig meetings readings also like talking about profit loss and who's who's marketing and licensing what which again actually that's. That's something that's really in in. I think it's called the american by dark horse which was about <hes> you know the how basically they keep von just putting in a new captain america every time the last number and the guy who was his kids psychic in the fifties. You know like that got written out of his stories and he's all bidders yeah. Well no the reason why yup half the licensing so you know the american was sick of hearing that money oh go before i forget that reminds meals. Listen new kevin smith podcast. When is <hes> our this is a room or they heard this somewhere but supposedly him and his co host. We're talking talking about the plot of that captain matt <hes> that belkin a winter soldier. I series <hes> part of it is going to be like the u._s. Government being being like they don't want sam wilson to be captain america <hes> yes steve may have wanted him to but the government had john walker. Maybe the i would love to see the whole that shield is united states property son and who has felt start can't exactly argue that isn't gonna doc walker or they're going to be i would they make a new one is gonna say or would they even like try to get like bocci. They like it would some people. The government will buck you to pick up that she was. It's like no no no. I'm a killer and they're like yeah but you're the white guy now. No no no i. I was going to go white guy. They don't. He's uncontrollable that well. They're gonna let i mark my word. I hope it's toll marker i'll be john walker's coming into this. I'm gonna get some big wrestler john tina yeah we see you. I mean i was i i would love to see johnson. Is john walker. Okay kevin smith make it happen. I mean i don't know enough of the current wrestlers but if you're like a big blonde haired <hes> yeah i think i think it would be great idea. Yeah i mean and to have this guy being manipulative art charlie away you know what did you just think the same thing i did <hes> that this will be introduced the taskmaster for so we get his backstory in the black widow film old too but no i was to play. I mean that would work. Is that what we're go to bed. I who was drawn walkers partner weddings captain america. Oh battle start get that all-star yeah. That would be lovely. I'd love to see battle. The battle star wars didn't go crazy. Exactly the other option is is you could see them. Bringing out <hes> <hes> william burnside <hes> we actually do have another cap on. I still have one on five terrible. President trump says it sounds good to me. I don't hear anything wrong with what he's saying. He's just a good american. Fight those commies. Oh gosh what's weird. Is you actually read the fifties cabin caps when it was supposed to be john walker you oh wow they they like literally just made him like he was just that race in the middle of the stephen c rogers. There's no no no the fifties cap that you read the captain. America commie smasher bucks okay yeah if you ever get one of those collections of because a few two years back <hes> when they did bring it back he is racist on hand at ed just so insane anticommunist mr and really just meeting that were right wing propaganda machine in those books so it's like one of these weird things like oh wow this was actually when they actually when they actually brought back <hes> william burnside or the original fifties cap. They were kind of just making unknown about see. This is how this was the kind of guy he was was so you know this is why that traffic cap doesn't work in the sixty s but that was that was that was graces so yeah i mean oh i'd love to see i'd love to see the government not wanting sam wilson to be cap <hes>. I don't think i don't think they're going to want to be k._f._i. Yeah yeah that's gonna be the conflict. 'cause you gotta remember that. Actually you know <hes> when bucky was cat. Talking was sort of showing him the roads to yeah. I gotta get that reversal that same dynamic bucky fokin relationship goes through these and so i'm looking forward to that you know i'll i wonder i wonder buddy into the sears. If they're going to like cleanup buggies <hes> you know but you the winter soldier that was a russian thing by the end of he's gonna get some kind of like blue and red had costumer something that'd be me or or they just noman man with all that too but i just i'm just wondering if they're going to get rid of that winter soldier things like secretion of the russians. You know well you know. I think he's just bucky. There's there's so much blood on that winter soldier mantle yeah but you know but i think it's even worse who's fucking does he. The white wolford ever woven in kind of no. I think he'll just be lucky bucky in world war two and that was like in the comics. It's like to be renamed bucky <unk> yeah. It's like he doesn't happen although they make the joke that yes. Everyone knows that steve rogers has the best brand name buggies and the captain america's best friends ossining buck. He put the two together bag as bruce. Wayne can do that with his partner. Earn forty s well you know if he'd been made an old man. It would have had a field day. Might wings can't wait to see it. Wouldn't i'm just so excited for that do you. Do you think they'll do straight out. I think they'll do winger. They just gonna happen because some of those order books like earth to like raw grayson state robin robin robin. Maybe i mean let's for such number that that burt ward is actually in his sixties. That's what i'm saying yeah. Yeah i mean and i i don't think he's in the best shape as very few people in their sixties and i'm not saying you gotta put him in an action in an action you can have in a costume or something yeah i mean i who i'd love to see him in some kind of cost everyone would i. I think we're all said that we don't see at westinghouse. <hes> there have been dr. We might be commissioner. Gordon might see this. You might be some other character entirely. He might be the president of the united states. Although i think it is confirmed that linda carter will be wonderful. She's not a makes me wonder if they're actually going to be if they're gonna visit. That is just going to be that kingdom. Come world and you just have you know actually the most logical is that burton <hes> we'll be in that role yeah and they're going to like you know they're gonna throw armor him up as batman sort of that you know dark knight you know <hes> either that or they may they had decrease. Jason is red robin if they do something like that because i i bet you that they're they're gonna find a way to honor rah adam west batman now. I guarantee there. The logical way is that you have have you have a burt as the new batman move a. b. or dickerson knew that that's logical role and when you're in the bat cave you're going to see the old the old bat computer and you'll see like the bruce wayne wing foundation on that's going to be sad. It's going to be like if you references death is gonna be a you know that that final death trap he couldn't escape for something should've wore the thermal belonging underwear that crossover like a couple years ago. Come on i'll yeah now. I think we would have loved it <hes> but i think i i think i mean honestly. It's kind of weird because i don't think random friend ross right yeah yeah. I don't think he fixing old the you know. I mean yeah okay granted. Linda carter still looks pretty hot. Nothing else it does show that like nope just donate you know but i think ralph is he's still he's the only one living who played superman the. It wasn't the last superman he would. You know. Christopher reeve is gone. George reeves has gone yeah and and his his one was definitely meant to be a a <hes> a continuation of the matter universe it was very much in that really meant to take place after superman four. Yes basically do brandon of one brandon ralph's already there to your your use your auguring both his movie and the christopher reeve stop the oh yeah i mean you know i think it's good that they have they got you know i think he can do no gray up his air with all that stuff you know put them in old man makeup. I don't know i i think little says i mean it's kind of hard to tell though little says she thinks he's already going a little bit gray so well there you go yeah. Why not you know i say kingdom come to head coach richard j. I got a little of that like one of go to two or three little great. Here's like oh man. I'm going all reed richards. I didn't even know you could just go granted pimples like that but it stopped my here's sola juries. It's just it's not become on richard's. What's that's incredible story of stanley's even by great the temples. I never saw it in the wild. I i never have and then now. It's for me. It's only on one side but you know let's bring her to get. I get like big white streaks in that vietnam play. I don't want to grow a beard and that's another thing why keep your hair short. Charlie surrey liked type great little. I would definitely do that if i had the timing timing and opportunity and i gotta get like higher dan. I gotta be locking my job. I gotta be like three or two or three months there than mustaches ashes back the hair is gonna get to be me again. Gotta be. That's what i want. It's a long slog man you know so before we got a couple minutes. You wanna talk any comics. I mean i i don't wanna say stuff and you think i mean. I've read a lot. I've read iron the final infinity ward which was amazing especially the <hes> you know i like the the the the war machines three little okay during the back i was gonna say. Do you want to read that because i don't know i don't know if lilith read that we can top alpha after midnight and the outlaws okay we'll see if that one essay right bullets they save spiderman and red hood at least i shall we shall talk joe. I haven't been vitamin opponent dot com. This is a good episode then we have kept america offensive end and fantastic warranties for i loved by the way and i wonder if they're gonna. I wonder if they're going to have but you went. That's fantastic support. I don't want to say is this five bucks. They solve the problem by by alicia alicia breaking out her own radioactive. Click yeah because i am so certain that because i think they did that as a one off and wasn't that wasn't going to be a one off you can't you can't throw it out there. Let's get radioactive clay but he's going to be the new puppet master. I mean we could talk dental care. I wanna flow. Well threatened or not but we can talk but i love that <hes> well. Let's not conan as i know i'm the only one who read. It flew fred that sometimes i don't know man. I don't take a book. I work aren't hammer yeah hammer which we basically get the idea and i i love how they do to encourage it. You know <hes> basically again building up to this incursion universe concept and how what what was that disease stained guy that he wasn't a doubled person it was just he was just like one person person and that was what made universe flawed and was causing all the collapses in on itself and when we started off of course anyone's been quadrupled now of course iraq night because he's already four people in one mind was able to navigate it you know lack and he'd be like guide anyone else through it and <hes> yeah it was beautiful. It was beautiful the way to do it and then of course they have i mean i don't know if zeke stains 'cause i isn't the extent of villain and so yeah that is in the hammer now is i mean i if it's the same guy from the book a few years ago he's like diogenes son or something yeah yeah zeki thing yeah so that was that's somebody's the one person wasn't doubled so but what's interesting about it is the hit it was like little space in the hammer which is also kind of weird but then they reference it again and that weird thing. Where am i wasn't worthy. Whereas in the first state whack to the hammer never cares if you're worthy initiate hurts yeah but you know because it's like part technology but then of course <hes> and j. l. <hes> happy jane hogan <hes> do it allowed. You knew i knew female iron hammer yeah. That was a fun story man. I liked that. I liked that i love. I love the bonding of happy in jane. I you'd actually personally happy and pepper are the better bonding legacy wanted to get to a jane foster thorpe and they already <hes> bonded minded. I don't know who jane bonded. I guess she's supposed to be banjul. James foster pepper potts in banjul. Maybe they were never heard federal called the y. You know ness. I mean there's all sorts of adjectives that you know they attached to <hes> <hes> <hes> false annapolis both but you know who who i thought you were going absolutely mentioned in the first story ruben storm the wonderful one that terrific emerged in the one why is he ruben sperm todo unless that's supposed supposed to be a play on re read and something l. okay well. You get r. e. Farid than as a you in the middle for what su e n for ben okay okay ruben ruben <hes> i get it. I get so it's all of them are went on one so i'm <music>. I'm max what you're saying. I was supposed to be like merged with with wonder man. I don't know why has the wonderful one so because he's the one on one yeah fantastic for for ethnic sounds and he got another one but of course you're going to like this. I mean i don. I love that would really a great. It was a great story. I liked how they played it out and it just you know and and then they they returned to the universe and then you have of course <hes> what is it <hes> <hes> vano core anos yes yes yes because i must make balance an order in the universe and now it is proof enough who wrote this story right who arguing or more doll yeah well there you go. I mean it was a great book. I enjoyed it. I recommend it to a friend yeah. Well read the book. We can ask her all right. <hes> should get out of here excited. It looks like she she of your if low of his on time yeah yes yeah from right back all right okay okay so until next time cats and kittens you can always reach phil asked <hes> you can reach me at eight wing p._d._p. At jimoh dot com on twitter. 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"Reading this is sustain inert. I'm your host belmont with me as always this are. Mr producer will carried tonight. Will doing this monday evening. Fi but we got a lot to cover we. Do we do before we started before. Hit the record button. You were like this thing is now all of a sudden three pages like yeah i guess it is. There was a lot that has happened. Nineteen of course we address to start with the biggest biggest thing we can which spider man three will become no way home christmas day. Yes and chances are it will probably stick with that. Christmas release date but Yeah it was funny that Tom holland and several members of the few member. Since i today and the cat's having fun with names and tea with With us and then of course a nice video that drop last week with the new name way. Home and of course. I think following up from that. Tom holland of saw interview where he pretty much said that. Toby and andrew are not going to be in the film but we'll see So doctor strange will come out after no way okay. That's interesting that that actually gives more credit. Tom holland saying they're not. I'm the only spiders. Yeah yeah. I wanna say dr strange. I wanna say it's march twenty twenty two. Okay i can loop. I don't know. I don't know the batman will the out that month. I dunno dr stans. That's a bit risky for me. Okay but it. Has this really beautiful up. That i liked along division however away anyway. We'll get there. We'll get there get there and hopefully. It will be the last one with tom because he also does. This is his last one as far as under his contract. So we shall see yeah and then meanwhile in dc land superman and lois debuted it on the seat w everyone is just saying it's raw it's interesting. It's what they wanted in the movies. Which i feel like the cw versus use to that comparison. That's like roach. Check the box. Compare it to the movies compared to the movies right. Why are they doing this. This type of Storytelling a essentially a teen network via. That's the like young twenty year olds and lowers the prime audience for cw and yet it has all of these superman or all of these heroes shows that seemed to revitalize franchise i watched it the. Here's my one critique. It did not need to be two hours. It did not need to be like this and it wasn't even two hours run. Time lives an hour. Yeah it was about our maybe twenty with commercials. Yeah it didn't need to be that they they really did not have to i i i i saw where it was all. Go in. and it's like okay but overall. I think that it did what a pilot should do Where i didn't i kept for some reason. I kept thinking about the flash pilot and if you re flash there they do some stuff never continues throughout the rest of the ship. And i think with this pilot. I couldn't pick up on anything that i was thinking to myself. That's going to change. They're not gonna do that. They very much. It was very much about the characters and us recognizing this as not not another superman show but a a show about the kents. Yup i i would agree with you there. did like it this far as a As far as politics go and flashes a very good comparison because a life the flash pilot. This one definitely came out of the gate very strong. I think it definitely in a lotta ways that seems to have ignored crisis. Ignore the fact that they are. Maybe you're crisis but that they are part of the era verse because it felt like it was. It was almost like a reboot of the character of what we've seen up to this point and the adverse so So i so. I i as far as the matic things about it. It definitely felt a little bit more grounded and also something else get into a black lightning later the and even even bat woman. We saw this week as well is what toll you be a superhero takes on your family and i really like that aspect of it as far as the cats and his dynamic with with this thing for males boring but also this amex as far as just their daily lives trying to raise a family all the pressures of pain pills and things. You know what. I'll see in the arab shows so it definitely totally definitely was different. But also i think it it also gave us you know it really fleshed out clark kent as as as a person and and as some of the things that he was having having to deal with and losing his mother and also having all this powers superman movie or is it. He's like all the all these powers and i can't. I couldn't save him talking about jonathan when he had his heart attack and a ethic of the same with what he's dealing with in the shed right. it really made him appear as a father. The flaw other. And and which. I which i like that twists. Because we're we're very much used to him being the a sun in the three and He has he has sons of his own to look after. And so we'll see we'll see how it goes. I mean again. It always is gonna get compared to the last one because she's a modest probably one of one of the if not the best. Cw full complete seasons. There is for sure. Good luck with also something. The dc loves to do is right when they launched a show. They loved talk about movies. this week. Felt like the best time for it to get put out there in the world. That black panther comic offer to nisha coats is is writing a superman revolt. Movie for warner brothers and d. c. j. j. abrams producing under his bad robot label and no word on if henry cavill is returning and that is primarily because everyone is casting michael b jordan. The superman and i say these superman. Because we don't know if it's gonna be clark kent or if it's gonna be a different version But i think it's interesting. I- i- j.j. abrams is in is. Is someone who. I'm kind of like kay track record with me. Think fair Yeah what i saw this. I was like well it could be. The force awakens. Jj or it could be processed cow walker. Che che mean the. The force awakens. I didn't even think that. I think everyone that movie because of the nostalgia of it but looking back on it or my first impression of it was. It's paint by numbers. It was like that entire trilogy but still yeah maybe mid or maybe star trek. Maybe a another other. Where he rebooted a franchise And i thought the two thousand dollars and star trek in the kelvin universe was was very very well done so but we'll e utrillo parkey. Yeah hey you know. I could easily be like one of these heads be located. It's not william shatner in not star trek. But i'm not going to be that person but one thing i did want to. I thought about this article. I read earlier this evening. And a tweeted it out from About black panther speaking of at initial coats and The whole issue of recasting and into your point about black michael jordan Being fan cast so far and the whole thing about whether or not chadwick boseman. Whether or not to challah should be recast and it was very this article. was really mason really Excellent points that Really if they really wanted to honor The character and chadwick is to is indeed to recast because and speaking. I thought about this. In the context of superman we've had it talked about. Henry cavill had multiple actors. Play this character. Even after opposite. Christopher he had his accident and brandon. Ralph came in and took over But yet for made a point with in particular with african american heroes. Why can't we do that with with with the cia and and it was really good piece to my personal page. I tweeted there in between it from our show. Count really really fault. Provoking on on on the especially in context of talking about rebates. And one thing. I want to point out the way. You just said that if you made it sound like Christopher reeves got an accident and then the very next day brandon. I know but my point i believe. Get your point. I didn't say there was a time gap an s one of the things. This article makes the point that they could give it that. We've heard news that they're going to do it. Will contra show you could like use that time period to give a little bit more space between chadwick staff and and black panther too. So yeah no. I i agree with you. I think that at the end of the day the there initially. And i think it was just the shock of all like okay. How do we proceed given the strategy that has occurred and and and being respectful but also not like moving on quickly and that's where feigen and marvel are kind of like it's a balancing act. So i even if they don't immediately recast him for black panther too. I still don't think it's not. It's not something that maybe once there's more more breasts between between Chadwick passing and and when we get the new to challah. I i think they'll return to that wells when i'm trying to say it just And in fighting we trust so when the right time is to go back there and do the recast because yeah there. You're just withholding another opportunity for her star and that's not what chadwick was about at all so exactly and speaking about chadwick. He is the winner of glow golden globe and so are a lot of other people. Some other people. I wanna worth noting is basically the cast of the crown. Gosh renew it. That's these in the actors and actresses klay charles and diana's like they carried the show. They really did. They really did. So the julian anderson say oh my god i just wish her husband would something to because he he killed me whenever he appeared upstream but very happy for them Surprisingly all i've been hearing all have been here for months now will is talk about promising young woman Promising young woman and judas in the black messiah. But i was very shocked when this other film that i had heard about but not nearly as much as the other two Called no-man's-land basically just felt like it swept a lot of stuff. Get the not yeah the. Tv's i mean it got director and and and motion picture francis one to right I think so. Go back and look at the list. What is she becomes the next merrill like exactly. Yeah yeah the other notable ones. I knew this was of course aubrey ray for arbor day. Excuse me For went in us feebly holiday and only the second black actress to win In like thirty five years after after we'll be one. I guess for sister act or call local or color purple. We call it. Yeah yeah yeah sorry An issue. I can't i can't recall which one but i guess time tommy was. Yeah that would be about right. And then we'll think ghost it was ghost ghost. That's right that's right. It was ghost because color. Kirk lightning i. I have to look this up now. I'm really gonna kick myself. But i think heller. Purple is almost notable as having all of these nominations in winning. Hardly anything yeah. It was just very very strange but anyway. Yeah there's that there was that and then of course yet comedy category shits creek got golden globe. Wind is party gets obviously finished up this past year as well. So yeah i. it's still it's still. I am treating award season very much. Like how my dad treated the football season. It's fake season because the tiny is just messing with my head and it doesn't feel we've got in so late the fact that we've gone without the cinemas for pretty much a year. Now it just everything about this feels so removed and isolated that. I'm very much not i don't. I'm not like in previous years. Where i was all about it so same thing. I mean i did what. Yeah catch duisenberg messiah. Very good film me to. I watched it too. I liked love it. It's proof of why i never understand. History teachers say like you can't learn history by watching movies mike system. These are really well done and better more interesting than the actual history. But exactly i'm just gonna go and rewatch hamilton. They hum all right well. Why don't you walk us through. What's going on in lindley state so episode four three black lightning that book of reconstruction quick Quick recap on this particular episode Again solid solid alliens for black lightning this week. It was Several several notable things happen I of course. Jefferson is still in a really bad place as far as henderson and and lent is also still experimenting on herself. Trying to be Someone who can help lightning and thunder keep order in the freeman street because jefferson has completely hung up the customers given it back to gabby. He's done he's do anything to do with black lightning which of course just like we saw in for season now the one hundred and tobias and the gangs are of course getting control again and freelance. So i threw that went to that point la la actually set up A a image cage style. Fight club That he was actually streaming over the internet. People like place their bets and The teacher that jefferson Was who lost their son. In last week's episode due to the crossfire between all the gang wars Given jefferson was a bouncer but actually he was in in las fight. Club at jefferson tracked it down and Ended up in his fight club Against his opponent to you Was all i had basically plant in to base to basically beat anybody. He obviously control all the winnings in the purse when people make bets on these fights so so that was very interesting things as far as jefferson hanging up his costume is black lightning. But he's still going around being a crimefighter but but not as black lightning but the surface appears utilizing his black lightning powers. So it so. There was a lot of talk with that going on this week. Another really interesting thing. As far as bringing into show into the larger fold of the dc era verse is Lynn whenever she her therapy session talking about her family and she she notes that sure her brother had dropped out of college and joined the army and of course lens last name is stuart and we learned in arrow that general stewart who adopted diggle and. Yeah so they made a canon and this show this week that That lenin and diggle are our brothers sister. Which i thought was says i heard it. I was like what they did. Also excited. i was like you know we have theorized about it for for a while and make that happen so So green lantern is coming. Oh green energy is coming and so it was that and of course thunder And grace Grace finally woke up from her coma and they were did not and Gamby his plant fire with his girlfriend. Of course He was able to get one in the direct energy weapons that her company was was building. So you know. Of course that that is going to end up blowing up in his face. Some point and Speaking of things blowing up jennifer Was given the phone news treatment as far as her. Her antics is as far. As one of the local media. shows was basically Doing a hatchet job on on on on a light and and Jennifer decided to trade her own narrative in up social media accounts. So you know. That's that's definitely not going to end. Well either But that's something that something that did take place this week. And then the biggie was jefferson land. We're trying to patch together their marriage and he tried to arrange a date night for her and then link is at a restaurant to by us as their antic. Kit and tobias was like come on. Let's have dinner. Let's talk his sits down to buy as offers her a all the funding and materials that she needs to be able to cure Cure disease and of course jefferson walks in and we fade to black as he heads out of the restaurant pissed off so lots going on with black lightning. Hopefully they'll be able to tie up all these threads that they are. They're dropping the season. Because and i hope they do not one bit like quick resolution things because there's a lot going on in the show right now. Yeah i really. I appreciate how you broke down very straight base very calm cool and collected and i don't know if the listeners fully understood your last point so if you don't mind i'm just going to read it from the Are rundown this is what will met to say. So if he didn't he he he put the run down. Tobias has of indecent proposal for lynn and jeff walks in images that run through my mind history. Yeah yeah. I'm sorry. I was i was talking from your mandate looked at the notes. I was listening to you. And i'm gonna say and he didn't know i. I'm not make sure listener snow. Whatever else they to show does as much episode. And i made that note at the beginning instead of seeing how internet the end cliffhangers for sure Meanwhile in gotham we got a brand new episode. Her last for two more weeks as it goes on Some hiatus but don't worry that just means we got time for the flash next time This episode. I don't know about the season i don't know if it's slower. Something this episode eight. I kept thinking. And i blame oil as always will puts things in my head and then i watch these shows. I can't get them out of my head because you're all of your points about alice last week. I was so distracted this week. Watching the episode will is so right. Alice does not belong in the story anymore. And it's really. It's not good noticeable. Now here's the big completely completely. Blow your mind this week about allison really well go ahead. Well i agree with you. Let me this. I say that i agree with you. That this episode and nothing hit me was. We're already at the six episodes with this season. Yeah going back it is it really is and i felt that it did for me. It started off slow this week and then but especially when they were doing the work trying to use the desert rose antidote and it seemed like i dunno it just took me a while to get into the episode and but once i did get into it i thought it was thought it was pretty solid outing overall even the alice story Because the reason why this week alice worked for me was because she was classical alice was she. She was a yeah. Beat bubby the things. That makes alice interesting I felt helped carry the story ford this week because they did tight. I felt this week. I did a better job of time. The map the napier map painting into her overall story. Better this week. Still so i will. I will see your point. But i think there was one moment. That was classical. Allison it was very very very ed. Last like two minutes is like okay. Alice personally back but for for whatever reason i think that the Why shouldn't stand out as much to you. This week is because because of the painting not so much of her. But the painting and ocean like ocean suddenly got connected to angelique which connects to ryan and suddenly. We have more motivation like there. There really are moving in a way. Where ryan is is is being pushed into the center of this whole web With to via and the cure which which is something that for whatever reason the thought this always happens to me when i watched that woman at the very beginning. There's a few scenes. And then i think the myself. Oh i wonder if they're going to use the cure on ryan rip tonight and o. K. as to where we go now. I had that same felt this week. He see where we're going now. Marianne die climactic. But we i agree. I think i think oddly enough. This episode does a really good job with kind. These lease ends that for the past. Few episodes have have felt very disconnected. Am trying to bring them together to bring everyone on the same page but at the same time for whatever reason it was really hard to get into. Yeah i like how it was yet. Omnibuses wales or Editing or what it was but yeah it just seemed that it with the kid and then of course the the the the person in the asylum was Who who needed occur to to help him with with the brain operations that hamilton. Labs did on him. It just seemed yet. It just seemed like okay going with this. And but what's but let the guy go lane and then you know of course when jacob and mary are having their moment in the in the in the car and of course the in a there's something about there's people get rammed and bat and bat themed Products because i i thought about when when christian pales pacman rammed guard he The guy for making it to the tv studio to tell the world who he was but it was. It was one of those things where okay to my point earlier. Not in their show where where we're dealing with. Fathers not knowing or the toll that it takes on them and doing all this crime fighting in the case of jacob kane really not knowing who who marry was and even his his widow his mary's mother and and and i don't know maybe a ties back to his obsession with trying to find out what happened to beth early I don't remember what it jacob to like. Lose track of oh you. The rest of his family was built at crows. I don't know what it was. But i thought it was just a through line of asala shows this week that made me think about the bigger point of. What doing this type of work takes on on individuals. Be yeah i marry. I is always gonna stand out to me. And when they do stuff with her I think that it's it's kind of. It didn't hit as hard as other weeks. But i still appreciated that. Yeah so Dad or stepdad. Or whoever i should all you these days because my mom isn't around anymore we We only have each other left in this crazy family that we built and i'm running this lab clinic underground clinic illegally and So so i'm kind of goes back to mary's been leading this double life to that. We always forget about and and i'm glad that they didn't reveal an fyi. I'm working with matt woman. But i think that It was still just enough to kind of talk about that. Double life in that tool that you were you. Were speaking about as well on top of that. We have a lot of ryan in angelique and soci- They're totally studied up. Ryan sophie getting together like in a few seasons. I don't know if they can rush but enemy still lovers classic one on one Angelique we knew she was. She was gonna do something they. they had. A heartbreaking goodbye because of sophie and what else happened. Yeah yeah. I felt that i thought that was very. I saw the heartbreak. Come it yeah. yeah like. Thirty telegraphed like for example. The tonk poisoning. Caribbean does rose Man and you know we. We wondered what was meant to be the breaking point for for ryan and angelique and and it was interesting enough. The crows and i that was i thought about lucas. Luke's the sand lake mary now when she was trying to call for help. I thought luke's comment about Ryan being a hero. Really nali where. She's trying to find a terminal disease but also the choices again that she's been making for angelique i years ago when she took the fall for her and her to be imprisoned in her first interaction with crows and sophie and then and then now trying to help angelique get out of the collective and setting up his deal with sophie and and and the real the bill takeaway seems with angelique and ryan's relationship is. Brian really wants to help. But angelique is the person that won't will accept that help and and the other piece to it is as well as given how Brian was so like burn. It all down with the with the with the crows so to mary and luke and she had the conversation on the rooftop with with riot with with the sophie as well Now actually partnering with them to to try to help angelique so It i think to your point it is maybe setting the stage for them to Have a romantic relationship. But i think a lot of things have to happen for that to happen to transpire One of those. So sophie haven't really come to terms with the organization that the cruise is well organization that the coro is an an grief over. Kate may think that. I think that's what the season is building up to. And that next season will be the season romance. Just saying they are young. They have great chemistry screen together to so that i would argue. They have better chemistry than her in them together. Rioting or sophian k. together. I never was of like this is way to force But i hope they take that lesson and don't force this just allow it which they are doing a good job right now right now. They're doing a pretty good job. Because like you said there's a lot of other stuff going on To prevent that being the focus. But i think that is it for us on that woman Because we got a very big episode go on division to cover him by episode. I mean previously on so basically talking about mc you history really. This episode is what i need it. I've needed for the past two weeks from wanda vision. Because the the the again breaking these episodes crafted in such a way that pays pays demolish to class sake. Tv episodes so do have this. Kind of flashback Version or or like this take on almost it's a wonderful life Or or avenir scrooge. And all that i think was so so well done because they allowed they. They did it. So that a we could figure out how wanda got to westview and be also do a lot of red com for mcu. And we'll get there and then also just talent origins story that we honestly didn't even think we a needed or wanted but for time reason when you're watching it you're just like this is why liked her so much in infinity and and the the moments that they chose they they didn't feel they didn't feel extensions of things that we've already seen. They felt very honest to both what we know about. Wanda and and wanda division itself. Like the the crafty. The shows that have been Alluded to with how. The season has unfolded with mary. Tyler moore malcolm in the middle and planning them through these flashbacks. You're just like they knew they went so freaking meta god they did they did. Yeah so. I agree that this really did do a marvelous job of risk. This basically re i guess for me. It validated why. I have come full circle on this on this from when we started watching this show to your you know one of the points you made was again building. On all the various comp tropes and and other classic sitcom any even show troops a lot of times is to do the do. The flashback episode. Yep and and and so we got that. When this week and as far as origin stories i remember whenever we first started talking about one vision. The first couple of episodes else was for me as a as a mcu watcher. It was like okay. Yeah wanda and ambition. Were yeah they were in the in the story but not once. The had moments notable moments and a story but they really did a marvelous job over the course of the these eight episodes of really making us care about these two characters in the anc in a way that we now in a way that people do about tony. Stark in the way to do about steve rogers. Now i feel and the numbers the metrics barrett l. I mean people feel that way now about wanda and vision and so you know so the hats all to to to the creative team and the way they structured this series and and a very linear storytelling this time and this particular episode. Yeah i mean you. We should just do a wreck. Con of captain america's civil war and replace the pepper cross seen with the scene in this episode about grief Because that's that's something that looking back on up until this point we never really did see her grieving the loss of her brother and on top of that i from what i heard. A lot of people have gone back to age of altron and rewatch that movie because the the motivation of the twins originally is very like okay. Let's wait we have no connection to you and your family so it's gonna seem a bit thin but watching the scene play out you see the the loss of innocence and everything in that moment that maybe not the loss of innocence but the loss of a the the state what life could be or what life what a family should be that. It's been shown to them while watching these old. Tv shows like the white picket fence idea. which which is beautiful. And there's a lot of what we've already speculated. We've already speculated that liz about grief and tv is a way people escape. Some of their their Biggest emotions and remind. And because it's a safe place because everything works out and nothing is real. And they talk about that a lot throughout this and an agatha love lizzy lizzy olsen all all of her true fans caller lizzy by the way. I hear chris. Evans caller that the time And and i think. I think elizabeth nelson is is like. This is her episode. I do think though. Kathryn hahn without her. Just the this sprinkle of kathryn hahn that you get in every single beat and and the way that marvel that they've constructed not only the story about wanda but they used agatha in such a way that you're you're you're also realizing along the way so last week was a farce and it wasn't agatha all it's been wanda long and an agatha is just here because she's been trying to figure everything out just like the rest of us significant. That's great about this show. I mean you know. We talked a few weeks ago. About how and darcy or us and now and now you're so right it's agatha now. We're agatha's us with all these like little always easter eggs. All the things they throw out a weekend. We were theory spiraling and they'd get all blown the hell agatha's that personnel. And and and and you're right i. I was talking with someone who was disappointed. That monica wasn't in this episode and they didn't need to be this. This really had some folk it really to your point it really was wanted to along and ford is episode to work hat to pair off agatha and and wounded solo said it really exploring yet into the deeper depths of the things that we've been getting all these think you know all the tallis commercials to start toaster. The bomb being put the toaster the the magic and and and agatha's Taking her back to the scene that we saw at the end of Of of Winter soldier will. We first introduced to to wanda and her brother. And and and and the heart of the heart cal. Oh yeah and the only golf now. Heart's on the calendar. Which we learn is is is pretty much the heart on a on a note to wanda about this is This is where to grow older people. Yeah this old yeah. Vision have bought a plot. Yeah he bought this lot and he added that know the heart from the we were all like thinking. What does this mean in episode in what does and all and we we get the answer. It was them a space where they could retire from being a superheroes and and and brawl together and and and that was another beautiful thing about this episode. When we see the moment that wanda and vision fall in love again. It was as we talked about before it was a place agree fan. Of course everyone is clearly the the big takeaway line in addition to the role in From the week is what is. Grief isn't nutella persevering I mean damn happy you know. I had to stop when i when i was watching that for for various reasons. You know obviously just recent father but you know it that such a simple lamba profound right right. It's classic vision from age of ultra really mean. We all that that movie is well. That movie But everyone remembers vision and altron talking at the very end and vision. Best moments are when an annual appreciate that is when he goes full data on the job the truth even though he has no ability to understand humanity because he's human and and and so. I think that's why that wine in particular just hits home because it's a classic vision line that is just pulls you back into how on earth do you. Do you have a woman fall in love with a robot that robot says things it things. Yeah good i was just gonna say that's not the only magic trick that this episode does because something that blew my mind. Is i remember when they were first announced. We're gonna have quicksilver and the scarlet witch in and everything. But i think even when altron was i drop. There is speculation. Will they ever call her the scarlet witch and and that there's been so much time removed that that deflate has like kind of just ended at so now in this episode. That's last the line that agatha says is chaos magic year the scarlet letter. which and we're just like they. They said this is what this episode in pretty much up until this point this season has been building to just that name drought. And why am i so satisfied because it's freaking awesome. Yes totally totally. 'cause up to this point yeah. We all called that but again how. This show is also. Yeah hearst agatha dropping. Matt and boondoggles drop the mic else. Like i literally is like clapping. They did it such bizarre thing to feel satisfied over because this whole time. We're like 'older mom. Louw were of these older people might come and she's gonna call them out and then no no. No it's it's not about them right. Now it's about wanda really is which she's a scarlet witch. We'll what does that mean. So i which i thought was such a funny thing or not even funny but just this way. Where again this this balancing. Act that they've been doing of all this love loss exploration episode and then it goes straight back into you but but we'll whoa. This is still the mcu. So yeah we're going to drop some some names for you empower from abilities and then and then also you know we can't. We can't fully go non visions so we have to bring him back to life and kinda. Yeah yeah but but again how. Well they just pulled all the threads together. Because i 'cause with with hayward manipulating situation and cause because at the end and also i guess a failure on the part it of of maybe the pinchers and how reckless sore or maybe it wasn't that maybe they they innocent see was part of sore sword and and which is not girl shield and the whole the thinking to the bigger point is this akopian accords and And i think it back to civil war of course vision siding on the side of tony stark and i guess they were able to instead of giving a proper funeral. You know he. you're right. It may reminds us appoint that he is a robot and he is a creation and and i think back to the episode. Where hayward was like wanda breaking into the lab and of course we see actually what actually ends up. Happening he she. She didn't still take vision. Body they they kept it incentive to build a weapon and he says look while they're having that conversation which was you know where he again. He was manipulating the situation with wanda whenever she went to the sword headquarters you know. We can't let forty. We can't have millions of dollars. That vibe radium. Go into the ground and and and and in these various things in her. Because i don't know if he was going to use that to maybe have her conjure up given that dig. Original power should remind stone and wanda we learn. Also she got her powers at least at least they were awakened by the stone. Yeah and so much freaking ret con they can ret conned the show itself bat within the thought. We showed you Her stealing his body. We didn't show you that we just lead you to believe that and this is actually what happened and like we lead you to believe that. Tony stark's missile. Just didn't go off. Which still we're gonna let you think. Well maybe you should have powers and she did bain so it's just the i don't know why didn't they just call this con- well this people we on the on the wait a second we're going to wreck con previously. Showed these past future present every day but also one of the other note. I was think about that sort of hanging out there. Especially we see the white vision at the end in the in the midst of credits. Is darcy a computer program. Whenever she hacked into the heck into their swords system and there was that foul she was trying to to learn more about so that you think that follows probably two to the white vision. Yeah yeah see see. We were just talking about a show that we love that has great writers but the episode pulled together. And i'm talking about that woman pulled together points in a way that didn't engage us. It was like a lot of exposition some action and just like kind of pulling everything together. This episode did that same thing. The difference though is i never was bored for an. I never felt like i was thinking too much. I was just letting things happen like you. We shouldn't be watching the shows to be like. Oh let me just think about why they put that there so that then i can basically tell myself what's going to happen instead of actually just watching it all unfold in front of me. Which is what. Juan division did. This week is like net. We're going to retail you. These stories in for some reason. It's not gonna be boring even though you quote unquote. No this no ravenna. we're gonna replay it in a different way. Share some new insights and then just be like bam she scarlet witch and even yeah and all fan fan and non fan of comics alike. Love that moment. yeah. I mean it will satisfy. I mean we you. Clearly you and i knew that's what she was. Be known by but if you came to the show with no previous history of of marble then you're equally satisfied. Even when she was saying. I was like episode where she going with this. All the people who are like the fist store like she's gonna save a pistou and then she was like the starlit witch and they were like bouma mind just exploded about that. Well i think that is it for us tonight. Milwaukee tiller listeners where they can find you can find me at will poke w. i l. l. m. l. k. on twitter and you can find me attache belmont s j. b. e. l. m. o. n. T. please follow our crew on twitter at seen inert venison falls on instagram but most importantly rates describing comment on apple podcasts. Spotify youtube stitcher. Or wherever you get your podcast good night and he got you welcome.

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Krypton Report: The Supergirl Podcast

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#156 Superman comes to Earth & The Mad Scientist .

"As a sip of what? This is Jason J. Louis the Voice Superman on Justice League actions wave and while you're listening to the Krypton reports and you're listening to be all things for Tony and podcast superman and supergirl. We discussed game cartoon shows and find us on facebook youtube and twitter and the Krypton report hold on Sarah Brady the down of me Solomon. Solomon who else is here with me and Solomon in the background of cave in the quiet stillness of the night. You can hear Brian. Peters Hi Brian Hey Tyler Hey James Yes James. I am here the corn and with the jacket. Who was going to tell us. All the living in the mask is a good thing. Oh my back my back back will break you house boys Berlin bad going mad so going to blow gonNA blow something up on. The streets will run with razzies as he so today. We'RE GONNA travel back to the farthest that we've ever gone back in our superman watching can't go back and you farther than we did reading. But we're going to discuss the first episode of the Superman serials starring Kirk Alyn Superman. Who in some ways as the forgotten superman and we're going to discuss the Max the first episode of the Max Fleischer Cartoon Series So without further? Ado let's take a trip back back back. Which one would you like boys like to do. I can do the cereal I I say cereal. I gotta go on on in the background here. All right so the Superman serials starring. Kirk Alyn Superman premiered in nineteen forty eight nineteen forty eight with the first episode called Superman to Earth clocking in at twenty one minutes. Now I'll tell you right now. What I find interesting about this episode is how much the beats of this episode. Feel like the pilot of the adventures of Superman. I definitely took a lot of elements in the Veterans Superman from this absolutely. I mean we've got even Saragan we have they save the baby and the rocket explodes. There's no traces have a long opening scene. Crypt on with voice over in the solar system. We get was sad. It's like this episode is it's interesting but guys on Krypton here they look like they're wearing drapes for cloaks. Yes grabbed. Just GonNa say that this down so it's like they stole the drapes for my grandma's house from your greatness and they're all angry with not forget. What are you doing? The Planet Five Room. They're they're they're upset because they don't have any baxter chairs just sitting on benches and you got one. Guy Triangle Chair. You know what bugs me about this? We get so much on crypt on and then we get very quickly. Do we get the earth scenes. And then it's the end of the cereal is the end of the episode much like how much how. We were teased her. George in the adventures of Superman pilot teased superman here. Just as much guys think Oh. I think that the baby looks absolutely terrified. Going in about a rocket there. That's for sure and and if I'm trying to remember lake because it's been awhile since I so I watch this episode. It doesn't it. Doesn't it just end with him turning into Superman for the first time? So yes. So we'll remember episode K. We have a very basic crip. John Mean it's fun to watch just the rear projection the giant rocky age. So in is a twenty one minute episode at ten minutes and twenty seconds here comes even in Sarah. Finding the rocket And the rocket is beautifully drawn. Excuse THEY DO. A good job with like miniatures was they. As as Krypton is crumbling Mike The dam collapsing. And the and the buildings in the house doesn't stuff like collapsing in on themselves. Play Ian tell their miniature but they did a good job with them but that like one thing that I thought was kind of somewhat cool about the cereal is that is that mixing animation with with five action. Because I mean some parts it does look ridiculous but some parts it just it just makes you chuckle a little bit like it makes it a little bit more fun especially when that rocket crashes and some when Superman goes often a burning building later on. That's that's that's a special that's the special effects that's the real special effects right there. Yeah Darn right screen at all just drawn right over. The frame can't do that. Cgi I call. Paul can't hear rocking a mustache and a Su- done quite look like a farmer. Wasn't it like they were supposed to be driving home from church or something like one of the earlier stories? It was something like that because they search. They have their superman the movie except the baby or close ups of a baby when they're actually holding the baby. It looks wrapped up. It's not moving. It's not doing anything. Quote only takes when he takes takes court out of the out of the ship that baby skip as stiff as a board so it is shown. Is that when he it over to Sarah? Well here's my favorite. You must be is when they find the baby cake. And then we get this little montage of Clark Baby Clark pulling a cart like we're talking like toddler Clark pulling a cart on the fort on the chores. And then we have him looking in the haystack. Using his X ray. Vision comes out with a needle or her watch. Remember her watch. She left in the Haystack. So you some Nice. Little Young Clark's and then this set of like the inside of the House looks almost identical if not to the adventures of Superman House. Set like you just. It's probably the exact same says and then I that little that little clip. I think James is watching the background. And he's where I am. I'm seeing him. Look through the Haystack right now. But that low image is kid on that court. Ma'am hilarious. The Hay Bale Bale tastic different of court. The Classic Tornado beautifully drawn by animation. Here that show enough paused in his car is Clark is running. But it's funny. We have baby. He didn't like toddler boy. Now have teenager and we're at fourteen minutes five versions in one episode. I didn't even think about that. It's just been boom boom boom power lines down. But it's just it's an interesting introduction and then we have the power line seen heart almost into him being a man I find it interesting. Just how much things change from a storytelling point of view? Because there's no reason given by Clark would wear classes Clark has classes on. I find it I find it Clark. Kent decided to have a talk with him. I love the over arching raider to this fifteen minutes every I got our first. Look at Kirk Allen Right from the nineteen forties signing him about your different from other people another planet here a man now and. I'm sure you've noticed these things. These changes right. You've been pulling a cart since you were two years old working as a workhorse on this farm. That's why we were so profitable because we didn't have to pay for help. And if you've done. The work of twenty men must use my powers wisely injustice. The world needs this man. You must leave this farm well they. They instilled something in him over the years. Now leave. I'll get a job that will keep me close to the world events. Anything happens I'll know about. Here's a uniform my made up. Maybe I'll start smoking a pipe like Utah the interesting thing though the narrator and shortly after both both Kent parents passed away too. I mean it was just like I hear heart. Shortly after this clocks clerks foster parents passed away both of member their last wishes. It's like the notebook they fell asleep in each other's arms. Maybe I mean I remember I was off. I was just holy cow. Like gave him the speech. I mean how shortly after he's wearing the same outfit. We're going to go take a NAP Clark. And then never wake up. Now we do get our first interest in this lowest lane play. He'll who would later go on to replace. Phyllis coates on the Georgia Series so our first live action lowest lane and I like her as Lois. There's ever been one bad lowest lane fellows. Yeah she was just too young dude. She was like twenty years old when she was doing that she was too young. Did NOT DEPART INEXPERIENCE. And just sucked. Clark here's a whistle and look down at the tracks. Track is like Lois though. Jimmy's like I'm GonNa go take a picture of. She's she can wait. She knew exactly what he was going to do. Love the people running by trees. Stop thinking with your head and do do this. I think I think one of the best. What was his opinion? I really do I. I agree right right. Nineteen minutes boys. Here comes the train. Barely I mean. They got to end on suspension. Right there guys running down the tracks trying to wave down. He's not GonNa make it says clerk the rail the rails broke broken train whistling cork. Looks up this for some serious those something serious to bend to bend a train rail like that then he runs behind a Bush comes running out leaps over the rails starts to push it back and cut. Can Even Superman Save the day? What will happen when Clark metropolis and man? I understand the nature of the cereals. A much like the first episode of the George Reeves Adventures of Superman. You really didn't give me anything. Well at least you know the the George Reeves George Reeves Adventures was it was designed to be episodic so the first episode had an actual ending to it whereas this designed as a serial it was designed for people to come back over and over to see the next part so it was kind of like right along movie. Type thing they lie. Leave you on a cliffhanger so you WANNA come back and see the next chapter of the story but one one day. Play this like in the local nickelodeon and the forties by people begun to see like a major pitcher. This would play before that we keep people keep going to the theater to see movies every week. You'd see this scene news real. Yeah you'd see stuff like that. That's precisely why I'd always left on a cliffhanger. Absolutely you'd get short from much three stooges heck yeah man. I mean it was a thing when you go. You'd get a whole bunch of stuff you get a newsreel. You get you get three stooges shorts. You'd get Superman serial and you'd get a movie or something. Movie Theater is the best way to wash things do you know how old Kirk Allen wasn't he made his debut as Superman? I do not think against sixty five. Take a real forty two thirty five thirty seven thirty seven well. Same Age George Reeves. I really is you. Boys Know How old Chris was when he debuted a superman. It's like twenty four twenty seven twenty four. I'm pretty sure at least when he when he started filming. He was twenty four and because it was about the same for Brandon Ralph to US right around the same age as well. Henry cavill was a couple of years older like twenty seven. That's okay that's one. I'm Howard was dean. Dean was in his late. Twenty s early bird was dean an early thirties. Twenty four when he was cast and Superman movie so that was Christopher Eve so just interesting to think about like you know. We always think of the idea that Superman appearing like his thirties. You know it's just an interesting kind of like how he was Kinda. I was Kinda like Superman starting points about thirty years old. Same Fat man. I was kind of like that. Thank experience the world will have more before he just go in there. Thinking was about he was about twenty six so interesting. Yes it is. But so I like the Kirk Allen. Cereal and it's just one of those like for reviewing the first episode. It's just like it just leaves so much more to be desired because it's like you just seized the in. Yeah I mean you don't even see metropolis until three minutes and forty five seconds in the second serial like things things will start. Things will start cooking to like really end. The first episode. So maybe maybe again I kind of get a for you as a whole serial one big giant movie. I guess just one episode. It is also kind of hard. I think to break it down and do because each set a serials like so many cereals wouldn't do like one storyline so we'll have to like try to finish out a whole arc but it's interesting to kind of go back and look at just that one. Snip like if that is what you I saw. Would you WANNA continue watching I think I think that's a really tough question. Because like I I think we had this discussion. You know good main times like you know Superman and and all comic characters they kind of have to change with the Times so so if you're asking like does this hold up for somebody watching Superman for the first time I don't know depends depends on it. Depends what else they've seen. You know it depends how old they are. What else they've seen. Because if you were to see if you were to see you know Spiderman our vendors now or you know Dark Knight Nolan and then you never saw superman before the new saw this you know you might be like I'm not impressed. I'm sure today's Today's audience Nino. It's for today's audience to it. Takes a little too long to get to right superman and then I mean if you're not going to watch at least a few of the just to see one of only the only get Superman for last minute and a half Not even not. Even you get superman for the less than a minute. I mean if that's all they see that's not really most people aren't GonNa are going to be like okay well like. I'm done with this unless they watch the first few and they get a little more I haven't actually. I haven't watched passed one. I saw the very beginning of two but I didn't continue forward with it at the at the time. I've seen them Bob where it's been a long time but I didn't do them yet for this re just because I wanted to focus on this and not in any other one exactly So you know it just. It doesn't give much a super It does go on. It does go buy a brisk pace with it being twenty one minutes and just you know beat to beat to beat. I mean it's been a lot of time on Krypton. Yeah I mean. It's the first time you see a live action. Krypton and stuff like that and and the idea that Krypton is is going to be destroyed and why croutons going to be destroyed kind of giving a reason as a except for just you know Krypton explodes and a baby. Cal L was sent off planet. Like that's that's all you got but pretty much before then you know so. It was kind of like the first explanation that they gave for the destruction of Krypton on what happened. And so I mean it's it's expanding the world of Superman Remain for today's audiences. It probably wouldn't probably wouldn't hold If you're like us in your bit of completeness and you WanNa go back only see some of the early stuff just even watch it once. I think if yeah I've watched it's been a long time and I don't remember all of it just like I used to watch the George Reeves Adventures of Superman series With my grandparents you know on and off when it was on nick at Nite or whatever it came on I haven't sat down and watched it straight Like I should have. I've watched I've watched most of it but I think if you're a fan you need to at least see least once just kind of like remember where you came from type thing right. I I think that mostly like per I think most of the cereal and adventures Superman Can you know the older stuff is for that more serious fans that more serious fan? That wants to look at that history superman than wants to see that old stuff to see that golden age healthy came to be I don't know if I would use it as a starting point You know for new fans are like you know. Hey let me see something superman you know. I've been watching more will forever. A London Superman You know it I. I don't know if it holds up to be good launching pad for for the new fans but assist oriented US completion. Est was you know core Superman fans It was is really good to watch like when DC universe launched. I I watched this right away With with George was vigils Superman Shale just because it's something that I never got to watch too much active. Remember much of the eventually superman from being a kid but what I will say. Is that the cereals. The action and suspense. It does flow pretty good. Because it's like it's just movie and it has those cliffhangers the venture superman at least to me. I I kinda I kinda of really like I like those classic Superman Villains. I like seeing lex luther. I like seeing a you know maybe a Matale every once in a while or or something. And Richard Superman. It takes a while to build up certain things and and see super powered man. That can do anything you know. Just oh you know. We're going to go and find some Guy Robin Jewelry store or something you know. It's the CBS's as the wrong with superman some of that in a way because I like some of the adventures of Superman stuff about well. What would brand do play a role when he just do everything in these very normal average every day situations we all we all look at? You know the powers of like what Superman you couldn't say drop Henry Cavill Superman in the adventures of Superman show. You know like I would just be too power. You know what I'm saying. So it just kind of goes by the time frame of what the capable of and like you said I feel like these serials are great. They're great for like but I met a lady at the dollar tree one day. I had a superman t shirt on. Do figure I do all the time. What's Superman shirt? And she started talking to me. Solomon was with me about how she grew up watching the George Reef series. You know it was just kind of cool because we know she asked me if had ever seen it or knew about it and you know we just kind of sat there and talked and I was again. It's kind of interesting like it. Made her happy and brought things up and it was kind of sad that she just assumed that I would have never have watched these as a fan. But that's what you run into a lot of times with things so isn't it isn't it. Isn't that just wonderful? That like you just wearing a superman shirt gets you talk about something that you love. You're passionate about just with other people and like you said as you talk to different fans being the Geeks that we are it is. It is nice to just like yeah. You know. Georgia's Superman was my favorite tour. Christopher Reeve Superman was my favorite like everybody has their own favorites. They have their own that they love the most. And it's just brings us more together as Superman Fan community. And what's fun and just idolize Chris so much that nothing can be him or ever will be and they they take out joys of fandom because they only want this one thing and that can be the problem. The problem with that is you know. There's only one Chris. So why are you trying to make other people like him? You know his his not going anywhere if you don't WanNa if you don't you know if you don't enjoy something Dif- different take than you know. You don't have to see it. I mean you should give it a chance but the main that there is a and it's other people aren't going to enjoy it. There is a small small small group of people out there. I'm talking like hard to find people whose first Superman was the super bowl TV series. You know like I was too young for that really. I mean my first. My First Superman was was the Fleischer cartoons because White Pasta but dean gain for Arjun rations. Either Chris Ordine because the movies were out but they you know harder to find on home video that we've talked about before on here. My regulation of Superman. The movie was Superman. The movie and Superman too because my mom had taped from TV together. And I didn't know they were the two different ones you know. Of course I wore down the VHS and she never bothered to get another copy of it. So you know. A lot of my superman came from Dean. Cain until we able to actually get our own copies and then I had VHS which I still have hanging out here in the cave solitude. My vhs copies of the cartoons that. I got for my birthday as a child. I want to say it around my fourth or fifth birthday because it was the same timeframe I remember getting that for my birthday and my uncle and Mike Dad Watching Batman Eighty nine on home releases. I just remember the warner brothers ball cap commercial as Midi of steel heck. Yeah can't watch brothers movie without Warner Brothers cap so that slipped out more than the movie did as a child so without brain the cartoons when I had them it was like it was it was on like a cartoon a VHS with like multiple cartoons of the day. Like I remember it had Cartoon it had superman and it had some cast for ones and stuff. So that okay. So we're going to segue into our series so the Fleischer cartoon series first of all was a big deal for the studio in itself because it was a higher end like you just said they were known for making like Betty Boop and off. I think yeah I think so as well like type of cartoon series and they went in and did a process called Rodeo scoping or basically they will have actors and stuff come in and they would animate overtop of these actors and it was a very expensive process but it paid off. I mean these things. The legacy of these are if you excuse me. So this is one thousand nine hundred eighty one. These things are still amazingly beautiful to watch now. All the animation. Us is spectacular. This animation looked so much better men. Anything that came out in the sixties and the seventies with like the Superman Batman and the super friends like will animate in thirty years later appalling compared to this. We'll put in a lot of detail into this animation to make it 'cause it was gonna be a big deal for Superman and the other thing. Is those cartoons like the Hanna Barbera. And the film mation especially specially film. They did a thing where they would reuse the cells so if you had watched they would only make animate like the head for different things so they didn't have to really enemy at the whole body so the body would be stuck in one spot where the head would be the one part moving or something like that to try to do to keep it on the cheap and expensively done I mean I watched it. So you're talking about an introduction to these and if anyone's listening to my podcast. Recently I talked with a Morgan cyber a CO owner of the Superman Museum and operator. She talked about her introduction. Was these cartoons but to superman and how they're lasting for her so I watched this Solomon and sailor and they say and they watched it with so we just watched the superman cartoon. What did you think that was awesome? Mama Papa's Mommy was literal. Yes she was. Five in this chemo. Your great grandmother was five. And so what did you think of sailor good? Yeah would you like about it? I like it consumes. Turn and defeat dirt Dr Evil The evil scientists scientists Don King. Crab thinks he didn't have a coffee. Say the clown face. Would you think about as creepy bird one can once again? It wasn't really Kook. Trope but superman by just the electron. Ick Do happen. Why destroyed Smith signed to swear up. You WanNa Watch the next one. Yeah and we will record that to Daddy. Let's watch the next one guys. They wanted to watch the next one because they were interested in it. I mean that says something to these ten. Minute short cartoons. That don't have a lot of dialogue in them but are so engaging in the way they look I mean you know. It's been documented that Batman. The animated series was inspired by these especially the opening scene. The credits Batmans first night out is highly highly stylized. These and this you know so this is to the Fleischer cartoon series premiered nine hundred forty one and carries over recall it. The voice cast from the radio drama. And so we have bud collier returning to voice Clark Kent Slash Superman and we get the great you know intro of this looks like a job for superb. Yeah the the voice dropping everything man i. What a what a great opening by I mean. That's what hosts me as a kid that faster. Speeding bullets move for locomotive. Really Tall building single bound. Let's let's on man. I wish they would still use it today. What's interesting is if you watch this. It has that and that same. Not The Zach. Saint but like a very similar kind of summary. Narration is used in both how we just described the cereals having a narrator open up the story but also the What do you call it the adventures of Superman? And how kind of tells the story of who this is what you know what their job is. What their mission is. And it's just kind of synergistic of how these three really represent the character because he's kind of if you think about it. These were the three that existed in a pocket of time before we get to the super friends and that kind of thing When things change yeah they change pretty. They change pretty hard at that time too. I mean you know it's The silver age comics and it's been comics have been through so many things the creation of the Comics Code Authority. And you know they were taken from the serious content. They had in the Golden Age to you know just adventurous children's books for years and years. Yeah I mean you're right so you know just the way the way that the Fleischer cartoons are done I mean they take superman seriously breath steriods at the time the the character he he dealt with serious issues of the time the mob and corruption and domestic violence and things like that which are things. I love seeing Superman tackle. It's it's something organic and where he came from from the creating point of view but okay. So we're going to get into this first episode. But did you know that in the serials where Superman learned to fly? Yes it did not the cereals these. The Fleischer cartoons. Yes he basically. He basically takes off out of the window. After he says this job for superman he changes any takes off and he flies out the window and when when he goes for the building you know he catches the building and he pushes it back up and then he flies up to the the spike coming off the top cause it starts going back over the other way and then in mid air he pulls the spike in and straightens the building back out and then as the the mad scientists gun is blasting and blasting him knocking him back but in mid air he fights back and project projects himself. Forward in mid air is our I look up in the sky and first superhero cartoon. There's more is easier to animate him flying than it was to animate him jumping although when they do when he does capture. The scientists can rescue. Lois he does a jump. And you see a familiar sight from the comics of him in the air like like he jumped and he's coming down. So it's it's a it's an image you've seen like in action comics when he leaps from one place to another like just the way. He's positioned one leg outstretched and the other one Back like like a jump so I will say that when this started playing and we were watching it. Solo started seeing seeing the theme song immediately. They had heard it and knew the music but actually having ever really watched the Khartoum. Just so what do you knowing that you probably heard it in the womb brain? You probably hey. He'll see the music like to the Superman vs doomsday movie. Because it so distinct he will call it. Dented it down or do you guys. What do you think the budget were was for? One of these animated shorts. I'm going to say I'M GONNA say nineteen forties for one of them to grant. I don't know I was thinking. Maybe like twenty twenty thousand dollars one hundred thousand dollars per per or just send it to you because of the technique the art being like holy cow. But so let's let's dive into the actual episode that we watched just definitely aims. Hello to low. You wouldn't think much you adjust for like the price back then and everything like you would never think of it in bad expensive. Yeah I think it's twenty twenty something grand that's that is a lot of money back then hundred thousand dollars it's like that's like a million dollar production today. One hundred thousand dollars a heck. That's probably like a frigging twenty five million dollar production today and we'll get into this later on eventually like before these are done. They use a secondary studio to help with these cartoons but the first episode is called the Mad scientist and other than the voice over in a couple of lines of dialogue. There really is not that much sound or like dialogue discussion but the animation is so beautiful. Like I wonder if you could render this image four K. An how vibrant and it would be because. I don't know if you guys ever watched anything that was filmed in the fifties technicolor. Like a great example of this is if you go and you watch the adventures of Robin Hood With Errol Flynn on Blu Ray is. It was remastered for Blu. Ray Example example. The colors are so vibrant in pop so beautifully just because of the of the technique as the back the to color it. So it's just like this. Is that same thing to me. But just the colors where they popped that if they have if someone sat down and upgraded this but the one thing about these. These are all in the public domain. Did you guys know that not specifically but it makes sense so it's interesting when you watch these comes on and talks about paramount pictures. You know. Paramedics did this Columbia. Did the cereals and stuff like that. It's just it's as long before delong before WanNA brothers bought like the film and Television rights for all a DC to the eighties mid the late eighties long before. Because I think they still hadn't bought everything by the seven hundred for Superman. I don't remember but think one brothers had the film rights. They hadn't bought the company now. One thing to point out in this episode is Lois. Design is completely different in this first episode. It's very dark haired woman. Compared to what she'll be in later episodes really. I'm going to have to look into. That is very quiet. We we get the ominous scientists sitting in this chair with the vulture staring at the clock. And I'm like watching right now. I don't even need the sound on like should just watch what's going on and understand. No it's I mean it's gorgeous to watch I mean the animation is is fantastic but more than more than story and dialogue. I mean the story is pretty simple and plain straightforward and very little dialogue but the the music the way the music is Set to the action in the mood of the scene like when lowest goes to the scientists place. She's just going to report and of course she gets herself captured and put in a hostage situation and The music is ominous. He uses the Ray to blow up a bridge and then to blow up a to blast a building to cause it to collapse. And so it's ominous and then the music turns triumphant when Superman shows up in an when superman is getting blasted. He goes all the way back down to the ground. The music turns and then as soon as he's fighting back and starts every time he punches the the ray the the music's becomes more triumphant. Like the score is is fantastic. Super has always had amazing music. His never not had amazing music because he's inspirational and he is triumphant and victorious. And that is all that inspires great make music and you said we see them flying punching the. It's it's happy I love and I just get lost and looking at these images and lois when I went back and wash laws was striking different and even ends with a beautiful because even in the next episode Lewis is completely different. They should changes from the first. I was the second episode. And what do you call her in? The last scene is like they're talking. Perry White and Lois and Clark kind of gives a nod breaks the fourth wall kind of wings at us somewhere like we know. Oh we know it's superman. We know Clark Kent Superman this is I think something that you can show their older cartoons but man they hold up and they are just beautiful. Talk to you but what do you think? What's your final thoughts on this episode? James I love the Fleischer cartoons They were my first introduction to to Superman. I know I've seen the mad scientist of a hundred thousand times the mechanical monsters and the next one. I know I've seen that a whole bunch of times. The bullet tears. I remember that one. I thought that I saw that one. I I just. I have more vivid memories of that one than this. But so those three in particular. I remember very well. I mean the the animation is great. The music is gray up. Know if you want to show somebody something superman and you WanNa go right back to the very beginning this just ten minutes short ten minutes. You know it'll keep child attention. Adults will appreciate it for how gorgeous that looks the good music and everything It's yeah I mean it's one of the best things you can do to show somebody a superman for the very first time. Either that or the seventy fifth anniversary animation put it Superman. Cohere go quick like this. Is Everything Superman? You need to know for all time but I thoroughly enjoy these and I like. I said I've gone to watch the next episode for our next review. I'm GonNa Watch them with the kids. So prime what is your final thoughts on this episode. You know I just love these cartoons so much You know when I was a kid and I you know I saw Christopher Reeve for the first time in Superman movie with my aunt Carol. I wanted more superman. I needed more superman and I demanded it and and I think my mom my mom found VHS cartoons what some popeye cartoons and stuff. And I think like team said I watched the the bullet man and the big mechanical monsters arm. I must lost. There's about a trillion times as a kid. I think there's these cartoons hold off forever forever just because Ana Mason so good and is so fine. A grabs your attention with music. I'm totally with you guys. Superman has always had such amazing new new music. You know from now the just such. It's honor hose a special place and my heart is Superman Fan. There's just so much that you feel when you're watch and get to watch it with a younger generation has to be really special you guys And also Just at Superman. The Superman suit and how simple the. Ss love it with the Black as he looks great But I think more than anything you know. Sometimes nowadays Come movies and cartoons. They tend to take themselves a little bit too serious and they tried to go for a little bit of a dark tone sometimes and get a little too serious and sometimes I just like to watch something that doesn't take off. She's serious and has that fun in that like Great Music Great Nostalgia Fund and when you're watching cartoons. Lois Lane just flies a plane and she just landed right next to the mad scientists headquarters and you just see Superman. Just battling just crazy things. Sometimes you just need that fun. Sometimes you just need that. That simple nece. You know other than why Superman sad you know why Superman Fighting Batman. What's going on here are is he gonNA end up lowest? I don't even know. Sometimes you just you just want to watch superman but and that's why these are great. That sounds pretty good to me. Bitten sky look up in the sky is guy.

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Krypton Report: The Supergirl Podcast

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"The girl this is Jason J. Louis the Voice of Superman on Justice League action while you're listening distinct to the crypt on report chain. You're listening to Chris. The all things for Tony Fahd cast including Superman and supergirl. We discuss teams to be shows and find the facebook instagram youtube twitter. If you've enjoyed Krypton report please check out the other podcasts available from Southgate Media Group from Cason Lunatics. That is everything you possibly want from a Geek podcast to nuff said Cape some lunatic sidekicks sidekicks. Titans talk feel like me can get enough of your DC and you can also check out super connectivity where they discussed everything in comments also. We do discuss marvel. That's something you don't hear much from me so check it out south dot com and this got me is coming so awesome. Welcome to the crisis on Infinite Krypton reports. I am broadcasting from Earth. One it is I tyler with me is my counterpart Earth. Ones other Superman Fred chains and on earth eighty-nine Brian. Hey Brian here saying he's gone. He's gone. We lost him. Brian wait wait hold on. I'm dinner in getting a reading from Brian on earth up. He's on earth one to. Hey Brian what's up. Thank is guys guy saved me on my God. There's this big red cloud so while can't well. That's the understatement of the year. What a night? You're right I mean I literally lost my junk in the first a few minutes and I love how they did it in the cold open whole. Yeah the whole thing we've Other like words we can't say on on air here. The this is the perfect way to get all those cameos of people into established the other earth do your fan service now before we get into the episode which part jumped out at you and caught you off guard. The most doesn't mean very spoiler effect people raise yourself. Aw Bryan Bryan Just wait sorry right I. I'm just baffled like I love. How the they went and said Earth Eighty nine? Oh well that's eighty nine and there's not sitting there the bench. She's reading. The newspaper and Man captures the joker. But I was confused though. Because in the previews previews we saw some newspaper said Bruce Wayne to wed Selena Kyle though but we're not we're not done with done with Earth Smith as long as the blue man it blew up man but we don't make the most interesting thing about that. Is he captured. The joker. Well the joker died. Is there like three jokers on on earth. eighty-nine bring that up later but or is there earth ninety two and that's where Batman Mary Selina and that's the Bet Noel. Oh yeah because okay. 'cause they brought it up in the Kevin Smith show later that Arnold's earth Arnold Schwarzenegger would be ninety seven But I thought that was a great tribute. You know Eighty nine is that many nine with Knox That's Batmans six through You only got to pick one and things don't go jumping around bright what one thing you pick knocks James your turn. So what Earth was it the Titans News on because I was surprised that they I mean. That's what I wanted to jump to next but whatever I gotta shut up but Yeah it was shut up. Brian is earth nine. Okay I couldn't remember what Earth it was but as soon as I saw that was like. Oh my God they showed Hawk and they show show. Jason Dodd Frank Cool so that was the one thing that can you. Can you know that the only mention seeing one person that was as a rule. No one part you said eight mile you said eighty nine so that was your one part. was that titans. Okay sure about this this episode. That got you most excited. Just because everything else kind of played out similar you know there's some jumps but that was a complete surprise right okay so I wonder if they come as one of these aches unannounced cameo guest appearances That they had said that they hadn't revealed for crisis. Right six unannounced ones. Yeah in my other thought is that. I don't think I bet that's footage from the titans season. One finale that was cut out MHM could be well. They used footage exactly. And I know that Alan. Richardson said that he they asked him to come. And see if you wanted to fill Messina's aquaman and he couldn't get out of the country to do it because of scheduling stuff so it would make the most sense to instead of using a scene we've already seen as a quick shot that we've never seen because it was unused news footage that that could be by. I was pretty sure that they the lease the did say that titans would be a part of it was announced it was never confirmed. It was one of those people though in that out there. Just saying they're part word of it there this you know just like everyone's spitball everything else it's part of it that e- Eh just because there is a Berlanti show. Yeah there was a lot of yeah. Paintings are going to be part of it. Berlin Antique. Well I mean that'd be great but no. I don't recall anything saying that. It was actually going to happen happen so let me just show. It was awesome. Let me just jump was before the first episode aired tonight. Hi Ero leftists with Lila turning into harbinger flash is with the crisis here. The red skies. Keep that in your mind or a quick kick is Nash got pulled into the wall of Martinsville where of course that's where he was going to have his transformation supergirl Lexus resurrected. And he's playing chess with the Monitor. That's where we were Last pre a pre-crisis things before each show started of them got a little kind of in the beginning scene about how the multi verse came into play which that was cool at the beginning of the episode. Now before we get into our breakdown and this is something that's bothering me. So they everybody to Earth thirty eight to make their stand what stand exactly first of all but two they say that Earth one is the last of the Mon- in the Anti Wave Itai monitors project very so it's going earth to earth earth destroying everything. How are these earth laid out? If Earth thirty eight's it's their turn but it already destroyed earth. Nine Titans was and hand. We're seeing red skies on earth one but it hasn't destroyed. I don't think it right. I don't think it destroyed destroyed. Earth nine. I don't recall them. I mean they just said that the sky was read. No I don't know cause was destroyed. I well I'M GONNA I'M GONNA re watch it tomorrow. We'll watch it while Kevin Smith Talk. With what the producers they confirmed that Earth nine was destroyed. Eighty nine was destroyed. Thirty eight was destroyed. Sixty six was destroyed whereas whereas the titans in season three exactly. That's the question but correction fellas. We can play hardball here. Say the titans is on another earth or we can just wait till the day on five things over and then we can anthea writing what everything right but yeah it was just it was when you starting out like that where we saw all early earth like to do and just a quick chemo to establish some fan service. You know it. Yeah well when you consider like the multi verse like in the Comics. They talk about like the multiple map like. It's not laid out like in a linear fashion. You know what I mean. You probably think of it as like a galaxy of stars our galaxy of multi-diverse of infinite earths you know spiraling Out and around one another. So you know figure like stars all away around. You know what I mean like so will as the wave comes through. It's just taking stuff out. It's all this stuff is over here and it's making its way this direction so I mean I don't think it's counting down from Earth. Five hundred eighty thousand down to Earth one. Well you know that is. I mean that is how it wasn't in the comics but they absolutely made it clear in this show that it's jumping around completely no. It wasn't like Ben comments because there's like earth x there's like Earth asks there's one I had to chuckle at one part in this. Okay hold on. We'll get there because it's they're just. There was one part in this episode that I had to chuckle to myself. Because it just did not make sense to me and So hold on. What part was that all right fellas? Let's let's let's Kinda James. Do you have a summary. Did you get time for a summary. Is there a summary out there. I'm so used to ask summary a summary on a show that just ended an hour ago. I mean come on work with me to tell us okay so you got to start with so we started. We started our episode on argue argue city. Pretty much and Superman and Lois Lane and her. What's their baby John? Could've Jonathan and clouds are coming and the waves come in and and argo city is going to distract. What do we do? We got a beautiful shot of Erica. Durant's his last performance as Laura so that was cool just to get you know that on there so that you know just some close closing if that because Earth thirty eight is a spoiler earth. Thirty eight is no more and only what out of the seven point. Two billion people on Earth. Thirty eight only three Some three billion in survived to Earth One and I just gotta say kind of the entire Earth was just national city. I don't know how you expel Watson Star Wars likes at that moment I felt like I was watching Star Wars let star wars like only one cities whole darn planning but we do get so basically find out argo. City's is GonNa be destroyed him mere minutes and Lois and Clark put John Capsule and put him in a pot and shooting the earth. While speaking lines from Superman the movie man. Was it just like Argo. Oh City was destroyed at. I was like holy crap. They just got rid of Lois and Superman. I mean my next thought was maybe the ones that we later from a different earth. I was just completely caught off guard. I was thinking too I was like wow. They're really bringing out some serious risks here. They're pulling out the guns by. They really killed Superman holy crap and we found found out. Lewis said something very interesting. That Superman has already fought Zaid and Doomsday News. Odd but it's interesting it's they have already established doomsday. So that you know so. Did he already died well. We we know we're going to get some sort of something about doomsday. That's what I would assume. Okay so then we get so that you don't Fight Doomsday and not die unless you know your your small bill we get Earth One. Lean on you where we left Oliver and MIA from the Arrow episode where Lyla harbinger gets them them and then we get bad woman and she's still fighting the wonderland gain which really kind of messes up the whole kind of wear pat woman takes place. thing this this unless she's been fighting being the wonderland gang and letting Alice kill people for a year and a half. Yeah it's just it's Kinda confusing so we'll just have to wait and kind of watch more fat women and I just think it's hilarious. 'cause I mean they're trying to make all this just like super tough character and she's like whatever your problem is gone. That rabbit was going to talk which is funny brains like apparently this one speaks to rabbits and then we kind of about the bring that pretty literally yes he did. We find out about the end of the Monitor Amand. I wonder when we're going to see 'em actually do some cool stuff and then we get. We see. We See Harbinger get Ray and Sarah. And then they show up with everybody except berry man we're sparing but he wasn't here and then they come in and then did you breathe a sigh of relief when you find that harbinger showed up right as argo was destroyed and save Lois and Clark. Es where you just like. Oh my God I was like holy cow I like Wow oh you just when I thought I was like. Oh my God I was like they frigging save John now like they're dead. Like what the heck like as like house. It's going to happen. And then they showed up. I was like Oh okay. That's what I was hoping for. And then we get a quantum I founder I. I still don't buy Tyler Superman. But that's just me you know I. I can't pinpoint it right now. But he's just he was so good in those first two episodes of supergirl the he shows up in but I don't know Now he hasn't been given as much sense you know like they gave him this grand introduction. It was how he was. It was how he was ridden. Men and how levers portrayed you know he did a good job with both the Superman and the and the Clark Kent Portrayal but then also how he was written. He was written as Atas. Superman as this gold standard hero that everybody looked up to when he flew into into the. Do and everybody just like gathered around and wanted to shake his hand. And all that other stuff you know what I mean it was Was How they portrayed him in. Since then he's taken a back seat to supergirl which is her show but he's still superman. I mean you know. When he's there he needs he does need to shine? Yes but since then it's he's been taken than yeah he's been given the back seat because it supergirl grow shop and he because we get the whole scene with him and talking and talking about you know he's basically bearing his soul time. How broken he he is about everything and he goes to hurts? How are you so hopeful right now and it is kind of is interesting with what you just said of how? They're really downplaying him and really applying her which is her show we wrong. It does make some nice dynamic but it's still like I wanNA see my superman. You know this is yeah like Miss Superman should be bringing him for hope. Doc Yeah this. Yeah this is Superman. Who's long been long? been the the greatest hero on earth. And he shouldn't he should not be the beacon of pope in what I mean right so so just fell off balance Yeah he shouldn't be doubting himself and doubting things because that's not who he is. Maybe maybe you know fifteen years ago Twenty years ago when he first came on the scene but and when the handful years after ABC but certainly not within the last few years. And I mean there's like a like discussion discussion because this just happened. You know and I'm just like just processing everything you know like getting getting getting us like our first reactions. That's the big deal right now. We want our first reactions Africa Racist Holy Crap. What just happened? We quickly get this giant quantum tower. That was like Whoa and yeah. It was awesome to see that that Berry in the legend's create it and I I like Mike. How the legends right now? It's just the ones that matter right. Yes exactly you know the others will come into play but I like how. It's you know it's ray and it's Sarah but this is. The part of the episode. Doesn't quite make sense to me and I've seen all legends tomorrow and I'm not really but why. Hello Yeah. I'm sorry my mcchord pop from a microphone. My bad sorry the guys. Why is John Earth on earth? Sixteen in twenty forty six like what was the significance to that like we go on this little detour in the episode so Romy owed Oliver of an earth that hasn't been destroyed yet. That and we get this. You know it would be a cool scene. Seen something else with this old Oliver and Sarah if it was like a scene later on in an episode of legends. Just Kinda like wink at Stephen a male. Because you know he'll be gone here soon but it just it just felt so Raynham we're wasting eastern time and you know Sarah says something. We'll that you're a good man. No matter what earth earth x he was the fear. Okay so thank you thank you. I'm sorry Sarah. He's not a good man on earth. Yup It just this is where the episode Off The reins for me like it's it's we're Kinda felt really weird starting like a little bit boring the to me like this does not seem in place like this is not flowing right anymore like it seems like two two and a half minutes of screen time. That's all the time on across OAS magnitude could have seen more fighting them of the dement. I I was waiting for Harry Potter to show up right Who says what he said he wasn't there? I'm surprised we didn't can get another Harry Potter reference. Lou invited the dimensions year or something disco. Wasn't there man that's why You know what it was it was. It was a Alex and Kara. who did the Harry Potter references? Last year spike showed up and may it does exact same dragon. Who was there when they in the same episode where they did the Harry Potter references? I did like that. I did like the song got really excited excited. When the dragon showed up I was like But what do you call it But what got me was my fear. Soon as I said he went through a wormhole been this. I was like man Bendix. Yes I was like please guy you know I. I still think that they're going to age this kit I really do. I don't mind at the age of like seven like eight like he wasn't the comics where it was really great to watch I just I just don't You know the pull of Indus. Yeah well get through ten years old to frigging teenager. Ager pretty much grown adult like like you spend like a year and a half with this kid and then all of a sudden he's grown so that was my fear and then when they got there and they save the baby Oliver was protecting it all the cool but I did feel like it just derailed a little bit I'm Masher why either you know I think it was just there for over and Serta have that lake one last goodbye. I am still that little coal thing And then that's all it was four but it's just it was weird. It is really made new. Okay if they would have showed up after Gay for Sarah to have that goodbye to Balibar if it was on legend sheet in well if it was on legends or if she showed up after he died but they showed up in the breach each when he's kind of giving his final farewell. So yes spoiler frigging Oliver Dies in the end of this episode. Did Not see that coming this early. Thank you I thought that might have been the. I thought that might have been part like part of the cliffhanger for after the re Yeah Jill until January you know one of the final shots being Oliver die not the end of the first part. Okay so do you guys. I certainly got there. Don't see I'm because I'm probably going right where you're thinking. It felt very flat. It was emotional. But I just for that. If that's GonNa be Oliver Slash Stephen. MLS kind of sendoff. It felt okay. Right right like he's fighting off with arrows and running Eros and then he says there is no purpose for him to stay there. They're like I didn't feel it was released. Sacrificial I felt it was like I guess we can throw this in the death in here now like I thought he would have this slick big giant like showdown with the Anti Monitor and boom like he dies. Well man the Arrow can't even even Steven Amal being like the the og of the Arrow verse. You know what I mean. And it doesn't make sense for him to stand to the Anti Monitor it's like it's like Captain America standing up to Banos. You know what I mean like. He grabs the glove love and he got one hit and he's down like should have been dead but he's down. You know what I mean. Meaning low I I I saw he would. It would be more sacrificial. He would have sacrificed himself in some way to save mia or you know burying care era. Did for the for the larger group. Ano- HE C-. He sacrificed himself for more. The people to get off of earth thirty eight and then would have so it was. It was for a large sacrifice. It's not for a single person fair enough but I don't know I mean I wasn't prepared for him. I'm to be to be done to be dead at the end of this first episode right you know that is true awkward rush. That's all I'm going to say. But they do say you say you know the Monitor and pariah do say that things things are changing you know. The Monitor anticipated Oliver. Dying at some other point or in some other manner. But you know I don't know if it's You know determination and will that is going to be the factor that turns turns things around and in makes things different in and people come out on top bend defeat the Anti Monitor. I'm not sure now. Do want to say something real quick here we do know. The Monitor has some sort of ability for time travel. Okay yes I don't know how or what if that will play anything thing. But he's already proven that he can manipulate time so for me at a even be there we know. On Arrow the Monitor's auditor's already played into a time manipulation so we can see what happens You mentioned pariah. Hello Ding last. Second after it was teased Nash. Well shows up here now pariah and it's revealed that he is the one that released the Anti Monitor Monitor which is comic book accurate. Yeah that was cool. I liked. I liked that coming around and you know how. Brian Likes Comic We do we do some trying to get my notes here. I'm following along here Must've had you giddy Brian. Let's discuss it talk and Lena and Lena the way they like. I told you like subtleties the weather doing her hair. It shapes her face differently but the long straight hair now gives her darker tone And she's more sinister you know. She gives Alex a speech that she would never be her friend that she you know she will help them. Because of of what the stakes are. She's not a bad person but she will never trust or be Alice cars friend and she does make interesting quick mentioned about how she really did believe that Alex hated supergirl. Alex makes reference. That's a long story for another time. But Man I am wondering if they'll be some sort of redemption for Lena when she goes up and finds out about lex thoughts GonNa be well. Yeah it certainly GonNa be interesting. You know when she finds out that lacks is still alive which it seems from the previous. We may have that reveal in the next episode so that will be that would be interesting fellows. Ra so moving on We talked about that trying to go through this. Let's like so much but I just you you know I almost thought that superman super we're GONNA go Supernova to power. The quantum tower could wait. We we gotta get that vibe was wondering if they were going to go supernova but then also I was wondering if after they kind of collapsed if that was because the sky was read. That's what I was thinking like. When when they when they fell I I was like okay this if they have during their powers because You Know Me Mr Conflict Accuracy You know win wins the superman of earth one in two in the comic. The anti matter. Universe you know. They started losing their powers. So I was thinking that antimatter is coming in. And that's that's why they sell like they lose their powers and I was like. Oh that'd be interesting. You have your big guns out already. which is a completely fair assessment? You you know and you WANNA throw that out for our listeners. Bryan and James have just both recently read crisis on infinite errors. I didn't have that kind of time. So that's why I have. I'm not done I'm I am like I like four four fifths of the way done so I'm pretty close but I have not finished it well. Luckily the end doesn't yeah. That's true but Luckily the final two episodes the final two parts until January. So I feel I have time because I don't I don't think they're. I don't feel that they're going to do the whole the the Anti Monitor's dead and now there's another other threat and then from what I what I've heard. The Anti Monitor makes another big comeback. You know what I mean I don't I don't feel L.. Let it probably be such that. I mean I guess maybe it could be since you know. lex Luther is involved Perhaps like I. I don't know if they would do a BRAINIAC and lex luther type deal You know being one part like say they they take down it quote unquote take down the Anti Monitor in part three and then when they come back in park for it's like Luther and BRAINIAC or Lutheran some other villains and then part for the annual monitor comes back and then they you know go out that way I mean. I really don't know what their full plan is is for five parts here well We could get a return of the reverse flash somewhere and you know in in the comic. Yeah Mr Buch actually got You know the villain start taking over Some some of the Earth's while the animal down and you know Lex and bring acts just like you're saying like take take a big role net I don't know if that's GonNa go that route here could But we need. We're GONNA need someone to take that Alexander Looser our world and that's why I'm I'm scratching my head. Jonathan Kent's like are they going to make an older John Cans and and that's why they're dealing with some time travel lately and then he's just GonNa go away we're GONNA get John. Can't baby back back for that Superman show. I don't know where they're going with the earth but we need we need to John Cannon. We do while the have. Yeah I mean the idea that I have like if they if if John kind of played the Alexander Luther route just even a little bit not h him up to full adult but even as a younger child I mean so the Superman show in the future. I don't know how interesting it's it would be to have super baby in on. I mean but if it yeah I agree with your surely agreement in the future or this. This baby is aged because of the temporal effects affects You know to a young child. It's more interesting to see a young superpower you know seven to ten year old as opposed to super baby. I don't know so I agree with you. I I would definitely rather see Superman. Low is teaching five to ten year old about life and their powers and I would have a baby around. Yeah I don't want I don't want John. I'm to be aged up to Alexander Luther Age. Where easy young adult you know in a matter of days or whatever like I don't want I don't you skip all that crap? They did that in the comic books. And it's the worst part I mean. I like the fact that Super Bowl. Yes I like the fact that John can't super boy. Oy is like kind of an inspiration for the legion. I think that is a new interpretation and I I will yeah. I'd like to see where it goes and how it's used but I like the idea of that as opposed to superman going to the future as a boy as super boy and then going back in time time having his memory arrays. That kind of stuff So I think it's I think it's better this way and I think it makes more sense but also that's one of the worst parts is they frigging skipped all this time. He had great stories with young John. Ken and then you skip all this time. He spent years on another earth. And just just yeah you skip all this time and now he's just all of a sudden I don't want that in. TV I don't want that on TV. Either Amen Amen all right so we see. Kelly has the Guardian Shield. We got that really the interesting you guys think about while I was like Oh come on really the bench. She's like Jimmy. Left it for me like okay. Well I guess if you WanNa leave your sister just something to protect herself with 'em okay. Hey I was like as you know what she's dealing with being with Alex but still like okay. Just go with it I was. It'd be like she's only guardian. I'll say they didn't even they don't even have it. Jim Harper to be Guardian. What's going on here So we get that Earth. Thirty eight Wisconsin Wipe. I thought it was interesting when the monitors like we failed and he starts pulling everybody away and you know all the last one and he shoots him not only what he shula just electrical charge. Like how did he take. Take Down The monitor for that moment. with a teaser. Ero and then of course the Monitor. That's we learned about how many people died. And that's when we have the death of Oliver Queen and earlier you know all berries. He's talking with all of these. Okay I'm going to die and Oliver's like I. I thought I was doing this to protect protect burying. Kara relate back because I'll tell you just called him out he's like we just start. Wait wait hold on. Hey AAC answer me. Who are you talking to? And then you know he was right there and I was like I thought that was awesome so that was part. That was just funny as we get a quick shot of berry like what he was right here. Where do you go? I just mentioned something. So so is the anthem Monitor and Donna Troy from the same place like they both go down with electricity bike. That's it that's all needs to got God like beings beings and it goes down with electric. Yes I what is going on here. That's all I have to say about that He's WANNA laugh. I don't think I don't think I don't think there are many people happy with with how how that went down on just just as a side tangent. They're not happy with how that win. Nobody's happy with trump justice justice. For Donna I mean like like I said to tyler. I said I'm pretty sure that when I listened to Geek History Lesson Donna Troy that she has died in the past. So it's nothing new but I know that it never happened like that. And just the way that happened in the shows. Oh it just kind of is just like it was garbage in. Yeah they did it just to do it was it was weak in. Yeah well let's just say let's just say for the for the for the sake of this conversation to say Donna died in the crisis heart moved onto walk a life to sink back so yes moving on great you know we have Oliver Diet events basically. That's that's where it ends with like a kind of a to be continued type phase. And I I'm in. I'm really interested in this. was part one awesome. Like I said before like I was a little all kind of they said. This is what we're gonNA take our stand okay. Usually if you're taking your stand your gained and something other than just the forces of you know whatever so I was a little caught off guard just like we're taking our stand. Okay now if so if the Anti Monitor had showed up what have made more sense. Because you're taking your stand against the Anti Monitor but he didn't show up so so there's that was a little confusing about what they're exactly standing unless they're trying to go earth to earth and and safe people to right now just like the collective population in the end. They're taking they're taking a stand against will in and his end of that I would love to if they just would have made like we'll sweeten Rohrschack And just for just for fun just a mess with it would have been great. I agree with you. It made no sense for them to stay on earth. Thirty eight when this monitor can and see the future and see all these things like. Why move them to all these different planets and then moving back to thirty eight and then why not just keep them on earth one nine one thirty? It's GonNa blow up like I don't know so the so the stuff about this episode like comic accuracy. We we had the tower. Yes we have shadowy figures or the demonstrators. You know basically like the shadow army of the Anti Monitor At the tower so that was all comic. Accurate you know. We got harbinger and pariah What was the? What was the thing? There was the other one about comic accuracy. We were talking about before There was was a baby being shipped in a rocket as the anti-matter weight gain. Yes there was that and that was John which is it was Alexander in McCormick's but close to yeah so there there's a few things you know. They're they're keeping a lot of bits from the comic books but what an allowing it to fit in the world here so I think like you know. I'm not sure I I assume like the stand would be to like hold off the anti-matter wave and force. Maybe the Anti Monitor to come and that was like like the Monitor's plan to begin with But I don't think it took and then you know Oliver Dying and pricing. Things have changed so I think things are different than than he anticipated. You know Things are changing so maybe they intended to make make a stand and forced the Anti Monitor's hand but They have to move and and adapt so I mean. Yeah the the Stan but now it's not I mean we there's GonNa be some different things obviously next episode. We're going to say like kingdom. Come Earth Got Brandon Ralph coming in and Dan Superman and we got Kevin Conroy. As Mc Soup Bruce Wayne His his mechanical full-body press the prosthesis which is going to be awesome to see. So Ah next part. Tomorrow's tomorrow's part two is is GONNA be Pretty Pretty Dang awesome to to watch It was really a good today and I cannot wait to see what parts two and three have have coming By love seeing. I love seeing being a Dick Grayson from Earth. Sixty six say Holy Holy Holy Crimson Skies Batman Holy Holy Crimson deathbed he's holy Crimson death or something like that. Yeah those funny I was Nice I just. I'm kind of interested. In the fact that this chapter with Kevin Conroy and everything is the woman episode. And if it's done to boost the ratings for about women you know just Kinda it's GonNa be pretty huge with frigging Kevin Conroy and exactly my point. Yeah and friend is Ralph. Soleil is going to be huge so we need to pump up the ratings for about women put them in her episode. Bright something needs to be done all right fellas. We got to wrap this up when we get this going What would you say one last thing? Yes nobody is thinking about psycho pirate. That is very very. Yeah and he did handle it lay part yes and mix thanks at else. World's ended Teaser for cycle tire event showed crisis Coming so I want you to keep that in your mind and when we're GONNA see psycho pirate because he was introduced in the bat woman upset L. Swells so just justified and it's a good one Brian. I have spoken all right. Let's get Outta here all right. Can't wait for part two to be continued Yup right about twenty two hours and five minutes from now. The Sky Look in the sky. Happy Holidays and for all of you Amazon.com. Shoppers go to south gate media Group DOT COM. There's an Amazon log in portal there. And just do your shopping and portions of your shopping. Go to help support southgate media so happy holidays.

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Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

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Brandon Routh

"You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. I hope you had a glorious week. I hope you enjoyed. I hope you're enjoying the show. This year This big episode for us because this is the first video. Look at that. We're actually seeing us. This is great as long as you're on Youtube. Yeah as long as YouTube. You're listening. Yeah because you're still listening to the Chris Ash. Watch listen to this which is very important we can also then go subscribe to the Youtube and in watch it as well later when you're home from work and you have nothing to do with your lives like me. You know I wrote a whole bunch of stuff of stuff that's going on. I WANNA always say. Thank you to you guys out there the listeners. I think I've said it a million times but you got to because the reason we're here you that are loyal and see those same downloads. Every Tuesday when they pop up immediately on. My people are still listening thing. God I say that because I love it I love Dune. 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I've gone through it. Most people go through or they'd be you know I think if you don't have these revelations or these or become vulnerable or I don't know man it's it's it's amazing will win. The hand of fate takes you. You just let it and he let sit out. He'll he tells you about the adversity faces and I think you're going to really enjoy the sworn I haven't seen him this open so I hope you guys enjoy it. Let's get inside my buddy brandon. Ralph it's my pawn. You're listening to you inside with. Michael Rose Bah the inside of you with Michael. Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Welcome to my podcast. This is Michael Rosenbaum and this is inside of you in today's guest. Look at that. I guess is taking Pictures Brandon. Ralph thank you for allowing to be inside of you You know you ask permission so I did a few times. I didn't bug you right. You didn't feel like I was ever bugging you like. Oh Shit I appreciate what I did. Notice was that you wanted to make sure that I didn't flake and forget which I appreciate because that happens quite a lot. Does it happen with actors with yourself or does it happen with hosts of things? I think it's guests. You WanNa make sure you know that that it's that it's happening. I I tend to worry. Sometimes that plans I've made are gonNA fall through with. Somebody forgot her. You know because I think with with the Cell Phone. People don't make concrete plans. Well not only that but if you tech somebody you said. Yeah. I'll do that. Sometimes I just forget that I I didn't hear it McGowan county. Of course I wanted to do it. I've had that where somebody doesn't show up and right now and I have to sort of improvise happened right. You call your car your special guests who comes in and sits in when you're missing your guests like they do in all the tacos. Yeah I'm usually that special guest recurring guest. Hey Rosie are you available at two o'clock now let yeah. Yeah we to be a gas you. Obviously someone cancel. That's why you're calling. Well you could do it yourself. It's just different side interview different thing. If someone doesn't show just go and I I just ask a question go there. Sit Down and you'll just edit it just talking about you interview a different side of yourself by the way we rolling cameras and ask some questions and I do this and I do. You know. We wouldn't be able to use the wide shot. I know unless you know some. Cgi but you get asked to do these things a lot to get asked by people. Hey where you do interviews where you do Podcast A lot Yeah it's become one of the most popular ways to to talk and have a conversation. I frankly enjoy them. It's much more exciting when I have time to sit down at length and speak about things versus you know regular TV interview or intends to be very five minutes through quick also they have. They have an agenda right. They have their agenda for entertainment. And I have this thing. I have to plug in their canned answers to a degree in. Not as it's not as creatively Engaging and exciting you seem I think you are. You're pretty much a private person. Your private guy right over the media doing things doing stupid things getting yourself in trouble you at a party or you. Don't go out and get drunk. You have a wife you have a kid. I just raiders at my house for myself right. Yeah and my wife but I was wondering what did he do some lists. Because I'm sure the media you just heard about all the Stephen stuff and I was just listening to a little bit but not all of it. The first twenty five minutes almost hit the part where he had a panic attack and I told him I said Look I get rid of it. You just can't let me listen to it. He listened to it. Goes I WANNA come back? WanNa finish it and it was really important because all my listeners and maybe more maybe people more people listen because this is a guy that you look at you like an actor. He's hit TV show. He plays a superhero. He's beautiful looking great body even wrestles on the side. He's got millions of dollars. How can this Guy Getting Zaidi? How could this guy get You know people don't think about it and most people like Oh actors you know this this whole thing you know. They get paid a lot of money. They don't do. This guy was working twenty three episodes. You guys are doing all these crossovers things and he hit a wall and I can tell when I was talking to because they interviewed him before the show just anyway he decided look. I'm coming back. I'm going to do this. And he was much stronger than a great place and we talked about. I let him listen to what he said and it was not an he was and I let him know go. Listen you know people want they want to do this thing on people People and he's like. Yeah you WANNA quote something you'll have to. He's like yeah immediately. Sent me back a quote re tweeted. He was like I was amazed by his bravery. Yes that's incredibly brave of him to be open enough to have that to let it be part of the conversation. Which yeah you know. The stigma and all of that meant to help thankfully has has started to shift in a lot. More notoriety and news and and exposure. It's something we all. We all have to deal with everyday when we wake up. Yes how are you going to attack the day? Are you conscious of how you going to attack today? Do you just wake up. How do you live life? You know. That's a good segue into do you feel like you're spreading yourself thin ever? Do you ever feel like you ever look at your wife because in the interview he says you know my wife She's like hey I wanted to go see someone I mean. He's not doing. Today's he's not eating on the couch and say I heard that. Yeah do you ever get like Shit Ma'am I played superman and now I'm GONNA show I'm playing you know a character. I don't want anybody to see if vulnerability to the side of me that they'll be like oh he's not capable of play. Mistral. He can't handle it if I if you see any weakness you know. Do you ever feel like that or have you in years where I am no matter how nervous you are or Exhausted or whatever it is you just suck it up and that you're absolutely fantastic. I don't think I always suck it up and pretend that I'm absolutely fantastic. If I'm tasked with that in an interview and to go on and promote something yes I will. I will do that but I mean what you're asking is multiple answers in pen and aspects. I I tend to question. I would say that the end of my run. A Superman and superman returns. That did not that. That did not pan out the way I thought it was going to everyone around me thought it was going to and so I had to really come to terms with a lot of that When there was no sequel you know the movie was widely route. Well reviewed people like to like the movie but it made almost four hundred million dollars worldwide. But that wasn't enough and it was a very slow fizzle out of the possibility of a sequel over the next two three years And I did my. I could do that. I thought in in a in in in my world to help make it happen Which is a story for another time or this time more to mental health. We could go back on that but you know I I think at that point in my life. I still didn't know that I had that. I was anxious that I had that. What anxiousness really was or that? I had it that anyone could experience anxiety. Yeah did you believe? Can you believe that you just? Did you ever see anxiety there see? I don't think this curve. Let it in. You know there's a there's a whole thing about go back and look at my child anybody's childhood and we all grew up a certain way believing certain things and seeing the world in a way and I pretty much saw rainbows and Hartson rainbows And made everything that I didn't want to be that wasn't hearts and rainbows into Hartson rainbows. It's called bypassing right. So I grew up in a culture of of bypassing Spiritual bypassing using God or using something else. It's going to. It's going to be okay because just give it to God and and it. Will you know everything will be? Okay because of that right which is a very can be very calming right. It's a way to like okay. Don't worry about this but but that catches up to you eventually right because then you're only living life in in in white and life is black and white can't have one without the other. I. It's essential for life. Yeah and you know through through multiple career experiences and showing me that I have an opportunity to learn more and through my wife. Courtney Ford has been an amazing Help Guide in in finding balance in the she was with you through that whole thing. Yes she was she if you didn't have her went when you had superman returns right. Yeah because you met her in two thousand and two Two three three solid very close. But you know I always think. How do you get through things? Yeah there's so many things death you know you're supposed to be on the sequels and then that didn't pan out here and if you don't have anybody to vent to or really go deep be vulnerable in real and you just deflect like fine. I'm fine go drink or go out and party. You're just prolonging the inevitable. What's happening is distraction distraction distraction. Listen three years later or two years later a month later you start to feel things and you came from. But why do I feel this? Why don't they get so upset about that? Why was my response? And you have no idea. And then it's lost in translation you don't even know why you're upset and then through whatever therapy or you realize it's coming all from that all these things that. I kind of tucked away down so it's nice that I you know I was doing some reading and I do that. Occasionally but reading But just I noticed. Courtney was the theme according the sort of the running theme that was just like a see how important she is to you. I I very very openly speak about it. Yeah At this point in my life. I understand the great value That I that I've received the lessons that I've that I've been able to to to learn from her. I mean we've both we've both learned from each other but I but I've seen from my perspective. I see that. See the devas deficit that I was experienced in my life up until that point as far as understanding balance in in life. And you know. She knew me she knew me best. Then she knows me best now and so going through. That whole trauma of Superman returns the end of Superman returns was a long drawn out process of me in denial for much of it and thankfully. I guess I didn't. I didn't lean on drugs or alcohol partying. I've played warcraft endless. I see yeah and that was my addiction And then you know a few other games along the way but but that was where I lost myself and spent way too much time. It took me a long time to come to terms with that that that was an addiction to beat the game. I the worker still. Don't wait a minute. There is no beating it Is there not I've ever played? No you can't beat it just goes on and on no you have to go on and on forever. Right right has designed to do and You know that that was my. That was my therapy question right right and but it wasn't helping me you know it was. It was a coping mechanism. But it wasn't teaching me things until I finally came. You know had several experiences where I had to come to terms with that. And so she was. He was part of that now. I have a better understanding of what happened. Then looking back and go okay. I took way too long to get this point but finally I achieved that level up as far as Balance my next phase was realizing what I had messed up warehouse where I had screwed up liberals screw up the screw up was still learning. What the script was that flooding right deflecting? But why was deflecting? And and in the deflecting I had built up this ego of of who I was and also it was fear deflecting out of fear. Okay so I was deflecting fear because I played. Superman jumped this huge to the front of the line. I done auditions and I've been on stuff before but I really jumped from the line when I did that movie. And then I wasn't given what I thought I was or had earned was getting offers a forever kind of an apt way of looking at things because I know because we feel like we deserve this irving and it's it's hard to it is ego and it's hard to imagine like that that takes time to change your way of thinking. Doesn't it a very long time? I was told by my represented as everyone thought it was going to be a big deal. Right that's what happens. You do big movie in the new do other. I read that. Actually your agent took you on. Because it's like you look sort of like resemble Christopher Reeve so I'm going to have in my back pocket because he's destined to play that role. Is that sort of why he became your agent. Well originally that was what he said to me. Then I no longer. That agent dropped me after I got after I fired soap operas on back in two thousand one anyway so they missed out on that day. Sure did but that didn't happen when the only offers I was getting more horror movies which I did not love the way. Look Around Your Fright Night Dracula over here. Rudy isn't a horror movie but you know yes. It's a wonderful movie and all these other offers and things for projects that I didn't that weren't in line with what I wanted to do. And not a lot but they but what offers were coming in worth for things that I just had no interest in and I didn't see them moving my career for it in in the path that I wanted. I had to audition for things and there were things that came very close that there that I was working with students. That just didn't they didn't pull out if they were in production. It didn't happen couple of the things that just didn't happen But by and large I was not qualified auditioners. Who is the worst thing in the world? It's better now. I feel like I'm better now. I have more confidence in myself and many other things that kind of help make that better right But I was I was not a good auditioners except for things that I was really right for right. Which is why you get the things you really right anyway so I. I didn't do the work. I didn't read scripts well enough. I didn't I I was. I was halfway out the door every time I was going in. So then I was probably creating a bad reputation for myself with casting offices and producers and things and so but I was in denial of all this for for for quite a while and they had great opportunities thankfully that came along with Zack and Miri and Count Smith's You know and and Scott Pilgrim just talking about that. Yeah loves it. I got to see that it's really a lot of my friends have seen. They love that so I got to see that. That's a class worthwhile movie. All right I'm talking about and then with chuck and so it had things you know. Thankfully kept me afloat and learning along the way but it wasn't until I really Till I really understood that I needed to start again that I needed to relearn things and Relearn how to relearn but I had to go back. Had to go back and actually learn how to audition for myself and re engage myself and really become part of the process and fully looking back. I can call it surrender. I can say that I had to surrender to the process and surrender to the fact that I had to audition and became disciplined. That sounds like yes. I started to work hard. And so that started you know. The first thing that started was happened. I after I took on that mentality was I got the pilot the Sitcom that I did call partners in two thousand twelve and that was a wonderful experience in love to be still doing it to this day but we did thirteen episodes and that was the end of that then shortly after that was opportunity for for for era. And I you know they they brought in a had a meeting with producers but then I had to go back and read with wonderful Emily rickets and and did a chemistry test with her and so I had to prove myself. That's the thing you always have to prove yourself and I'm like listening. It's funny because sometimes I think I'm GONNA have nothing in common with people And then you start talking. We all have things that are in common like there is an ego. Ego is such a big part of everyone's life that they have ruined a lot of opportunities and I remember I had opportunities. But it was egos lackadaisical plan. I don't WanNa go learn this. I I just sort of embarrassing look back. I'm like you fucking pompous. Little Shit for you to go. You know. You have an audition with You know Tom Hanks or something. I mean I worked on that one but You know goodwill hunting and saving private Ryan and I remember those like the night before party. I was a kid I was like twenty six and I was like I'm GonNa go. I didn't get a shit. I wasn't mature and by the way maturity isn't something that is in my vocabulary but I'm very responsible and you know it takes time. You say it takes time to sort of like look back and go. Hey this is this is where I was fucking opposite. This is why and you learn you learn. Things have talked about this before but I I wasn't relearning. I had. I had to learn all these things I had to learn all the things that I didn't learn a child and so there's a lot of grown up and I've done probably in the last the most in the last year and a half of just between doing this podcast in like talking to folks like you and and so just sort of digging deep Mike. It's funny because I'm watching your late. There's still things that you're figuring out we're all figuring out but when when you look back and you think deflected I started playing warcraft. My Wife's doing this did you. Do you remember even having any breakdowns? Any emotional moments any like crying spout bouts of like a just like guy. What's the matter with me I'm emasculating? My you know? Did you ever feel like that? Yeah I mean I'm not GonNa go into detail because that's a you know but but there was a moment and that was the moment when I when I when things started to change crying sobbing on the floor because I was I was shown I was finally. I find myself to come. I was in a vulnerable enough place. I guess to come face to face with with how people saw me so I had that you have this vision of who you are right. And then there's how people see you and when those two things are incongruent when they don't come together they don't match up you look in the mirror and what's looking back at you as other person's reflection of who you are as like what. Wait a second. I don't know there for a long time ago. They're wrong they're they're wrong. It's not me right. I know who I am but if you really allow that to see that second commute overstating oh Ho. Whoa I was. I was really idiot. I sincerely hurt people and I made an incredible amount of mistakes. But I'm a good person and I mean well so that was part of I. Part of my ego is well person I mean. Well I'm doing. I'm doing this to help somebody but some people sometimes people don't want help with. I don't want the help that you are giving them. You can still hurt somebody by helping them. You're in you can still you can am. I can't give you an example right now but definitely happens that you can have good intentions but still hurt. People and I was in a cycle of that to to degree of not understanding that I was doing that right. And then you were all of a sudden hit with a more like. I'm a martyr right but it was. I was just kind of screwing some stuff and then it became a reality to you. Would you had been doing like and we really genuinely honest with yourself and that sort of when the breakdown happened. Yeah that's sort of when you were like I'll tell you what I get itself like self loathing. Yes like I've had interviews like people don't love themselves I get it because I've been there I know it. It's like you know what I don't like myself. I actually remember looking in the mirror. I'm not kidding I tell you this right. No I remember looking in the mirror going. Who the fuck are you man like like filming? They'd think I was crazy person and maybe I was. Maybe I am the fuck are you did. Who the fuck are you and I really look at myself. It wasn't like I was doing this all the time. It was just like this would happen occasionally every couple months. Just go wash my face and I brush my teeth and I kind of look in the mirror and I go look close like I just. I'm trying to put together like I really don't know myself. I don't what do I do like what do I do? I don't have courtney I don't have you know so mine was there was like going fucking duck and I'm going to take him as an owner. Find me and I wanNA live the last twenty thirty forty fifty years going. Hey now I got a grip of who I am and that by way. That's that's horrible. I mean I've had those breakdown moments I've had those breakdown moments in the shower like it's a comedy like if people were filming it'd be like Air Supply and I'm on my knees naked with water around me and I'm just bawling and I'd start to laugh after the thinking of that I'm all out of love and serve naked fucking naked idiot. What's wrong with you? You know and do that. That duck and hits home. It doesn't if you just pay attention to it long enough you'll you'll have to address it. Yeah that's self awareness. You know we look in the mirror all the time. See if we have you know anything in our teeth or what hair looks like. We're not really looking and seeing what's behind the is what's WHO's there. Who's in control? The brain control or ms our higher nature in control. Aren't we just a mammal or are we a human difference that sets US apart from pretty much? All mammals is that we have this ability to think on a higher level. How self-awareness in our PREFRONTAL CORTEX with us. As far as we know that we know that we know we just do things we we can understand are aware of what we're doing we're we can be. We can be aware of the or do. Most of humanity is not aware of what they're doing. They're just doing it on every once in a while they check in autopilot mishear. What's going through the motions? Autopilot done that until these big moments either. Happy or sad hits you and you go. Whoa an you. You're forced to either step out of that autopilot or not. But when you're able to step out you go holy Shit. This is. What is real? And what isn't real? What am I in control of and what am I not in control of? What is this human experience? What am I here for? What am I doing? Why working fourteen hours a day. Yeah not seeing my family. Or what have you make money? Maybe there's always reasoning making money. Why am I doing any of this? Why am I for my child for my role searching for the purpose? And we're we're going a little bit from Intel is but this is all part of it. What is the purpose of? What is the purpose of life? And I certainly don't have an answer for everyone inside of you is supported by better. Help online counseling. You're talking to someone who goes to counselors. Who GETS GOES TO THERAPY? Who tries to do everything to improve his life? That's me this is the perfect Sponsor for our show. We all know that. Sometimes life is stressful. It's hard it is no matter who you are. I don't care who you are and we could all use help and some people want private help and they want Sometimes it's too expensive Better help offers. Licensed counselors who specialize in issues including depression anxiety complicated relationships grief. 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Squarespace have beautiful templates created by world class designers. So they're there for you most. You're not going to know where to go. These guys are going to give it. It's all right there for you to understand. I like that twenty four seven award winning customer service men that that's right there that stands out Ready to start a new business. Make it standout get started with squarespace. Think it dream it make it with squarespace head to squarespace DOT COM for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch us the offer code to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain that squarespace dot com. Enter Code I owe you something now. You're talking about purpose purposes and just something you're born with and maybe you are born with it but you're just not aware of it. Most people aren't aware of their true purpose that true calling and it's usually the hand of fate or whatever happens throughout life. Eventually you get to a place hopefully young enough where you're like. This is what I'm destined to do. I'm destined to. Maybe I'm destined to just talk to people in open up and help other people who are listening. Maybe you know my real destiny lies in. I mean whatever but sometimes it takes a long time and I think it's taken me a long time. Yeah it's a double edged sword. I think because you can. You can kill yourself pursuing your purpose in the pursuit of your of purpose And the belief that there has to be a purpose some great purpose in the pursuit of of of of purpose and meaning in life. We do a lot of bad things. Sometimes I mean villains have purpose and they want to validate their life feelings people who have that universe long enough to call villains you. Know Right I've played enough bad guys to know that you you have to believe that in what you're doing in order for it to come off her Authentically that's the world that they live in and for me only for me. Speaking only for myself I am experiencing what it is to be human and that is my sole purpose. How do you do the not sole purpose? It's the fundamental purpose to chief that obviously you know you can't just go to work and be an actor and come home and there's gotTa be other things that you know like chair charity stuff. Whatever it is that make you feel something. Make you feel human interaction connection presence. All that stuff like. Is there certain things that you like? This is the most important and I'm not sacrificing this. This is going to happen. I'm GonNa continue doing this and you know. What is that the biggest rule or attachment that I have to any any kind of ruler? Structure is My father so that's number one. And then I'm a husband and teammate to Courtney and we have that unit and then extends to my family my my parents and my sisters brother and friends what have you but I I have to be here. I have to support Leo. That is my number one. Yes No my number one thing in life. That's purpose man that it's a dual per. I mean he i. I learned as much from him as he's learning for me if not learning more from him than experience but is here to experience life right now. I chose to have a child. So I'm experiencing life to see my to see myself reflected. I am seeing a reflection of all of my flaws. I see on a daily basis the traumas that I have unresolved trauma that I have in my life that I'm propagating propagating asthma to my son and I can see that and go. Oh I don't want to do that. That was a learned behavior from my family or from society. And I don't choose to continue to put that out into the world and to give that to my son. I want him to be. Free of those Foibles those sins of the father and mother. What have you so I just can't imagine how much much sin you seem like such a great lakes. I know these are subtle things. These little things along the way that you're like oh he. He's learning that that's from me or that's in this. I feel horrible. I don't want him to but you've got to remember that were human. Were definitely not perfect. And he's going to evolve into something and you give him the love you give him whatever attention. That's probably you do best you. Can you have to know that like at least I'm learning that? Like do the best you can as long as you know it was the best you could do. You know. In that moment. I even give credit to my parents. I'm like you know. Hey you you just really didn't know how to be a certain way and I forgive you and I'm moving on and I love. You just acknowledge you fuck ups acknowledged your fuck ups which means when Leo gets to be twenty years old. He's a Joe Blah Blah evoking. You know you're you know hopefully won't say fucking but I would and then he's like I'm like Chris Farley right now idiot about saying Leo. You're right about that. I'm going to be honest with you. I wish I would have done that. I apologize for that. I'm telling you that. Just any kind of acknowledging something from a parent because they're always perfect there on the pedestal. They don't fuck up there. My parents were just. I thought they were fucking perfect. Everything May said politically they said so and so is having a fair down the street. They're not good parents or this. I believe the moment I woke up one. Daegu are you fucked? Look at you. You guys are more than the others. I think there was definitely like you. Look it's how you raise but I remember looking at my dad'll never drank. Dang do nothing now. I mean almost nothing and it wasn't until I was twenty one and I was at his old dentist's office in Long Island as again. My Dad just was he always like just kind of break down. The line didn't really do much. Is Your Dad. Used to walk around naked. Are you kidding me? What so there are some things. You don't need to tell your children as like my dad's like yeah. Yeah what later on started to open up a little. But I think that as long as you're just honest and you do the best you can and you G- knowledge your faults and your your flaws that I think that's what he's GonNa really admire. It's something you don't when you sit there and go. I never did that. You're wrong if yeah I feel. You listened to your child. Your Com- you kind of just held Leo Seven Seven. So you know we do our best to take responsibility and say. I'm sorry It's a very important practice for us to to admit when we have made mistakes. Parents make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes and teaching him to be responsible For his own mistakes is a big thing. it's important to us. You know you say you can't imagine me doing too much wrong. Or what have you but I have a I had. I had a Like a zero to mental sixty zero to fifty anger. Sometimes when when something wouldn't be right with not just him but road rage and that kind of thing which I had a challenge with years ago and I that reaction now is as been something I've become aware of against you. Start with awareness That you're doing something and then you go okay. I'm doing my stop it every time but I'm becoming more aware like this about your cell like it. It doesn't serve any understand wh where it's coming from. Ym doing it and you start to dissolve those things and the same thing with there are a lot of frustration as a as a as a parent the child sleep. Why doesn't he do this? Why you know. There's there's it's a form it's a very challenging most challenging time in my life probably and so you can look at those things that you're doing that are not ideal and you can work to shift them because I want the experience. Not only for him but for me also because. I'm not setting myself a bath good day if I'm frustrated continuing frustrated a child being child that is that is an irrational attachment for me of child to be perfect and I had. There's a whole perfectionism that was that I had aspect of it but I want to go back to because it's all wrapped up to the road rage. Good I'm kidding. Go back to my first foremost attachment and most important thing to think of my son and experiencing the world and experiencing the universe. I'm conscious being and I get to experience what it is to be human and what it is to interact with life so in order to do that effectively for me to find joy. Find Joy wherever I can. I don't always remember this. Listen this is a this is a new practice for me and I am working on it. A continually but the challenge when you have impeachment trials and what's happening in Iran and all everything in the wildfires. How'd you find joy when there's all this tear these terrible things happening in the world? I think the probably always gonna be terrible things happening in the world for a very long time so either were always completely stressed about it and worrying about that and trying to stop. Those things should try to stop those things always but also have to be able to find joy where we can have do those things and find joy. Have the moments of of of despair and loss don't gloss over it. Don't pretend it doesn't and these things have been happening to a long time for all of my dad said we're things things are worse now rising. Vietnam. We just didn't have it on phones and everywhere in front of you would all the time. That was horrible going on. What does it matter if it was better or worse still happening and and it's going to? I think it's probably going to continue to still happen. I hope not till we as human beings as sentient beings can find a better way to balance it and to experience it so that when is we don't fully throw away our belief in positively and good things happening just because it's terrible things happening and when the wonderful things happening not just throwing away the fact that terrible things can can happen? Yeah but finding that balance and being okay with that and a lot of spiritual teachings talk about this. It's the I don't know that's the middle way correct definition but but there's but you have to find balance that both things can exist and it's okay that both things exists. I don't think you can ever forever extinguish if we're to ever extinguish Darkness then there's only light and there's only light. How can you know anything else? I mean there are many philosophy. Talk about this idea. Younan young black and white. I'm getting into the weeds. That's all right. I like the weeds but finding joy. And how I so what I try to do on. My work is go to work and enjoy my time onset. How do you do that because at the end product? You don't know what the end product is going to be and I had to go into this. You're also talking about law so we're going back to that loss of my family for the last five years and the character. I played for six years as you may know. I'm by fill my last episodes as in the air over certain and as Ray Palmer and that was a very traumatic event for me was not something I was expecting. It was shocking. They told you the day of filming. Yeah hopefully it was before we started production but it was not well handled and And so that has been something. I'm still my wife and I both still working through It's been a huge transition time for us. Oh last eight nine ten months and And so going. How is it going to find the joy in that knowing this thing was going to end looming but I but I worked to to just be with my crew become my family and my cast my family an inexperienced that and just be there in the interactions with the people. And how do you do that? You have to have awareness you check in on your self aware. What does my brain thinking? Wait wait where am I am I am? I am repetitive. Thought about something am I. Am I having an aunt An automatic negative thoughts and it's happening and also. Yeah you let those things spiral and if you go in a certain way and you start I remember dealing with things and all you could see it. It's on your face you're like okay. What are we doing? It's like the resentment. Aren't these people? It's something that happened that they have nothing to do it. And there's nothing they can do and so it's sort of a waste of energy but to be able to look at that and go all right all right. This is what this is. That's that's maturity that's hard that's the work of life so you have to have all these experiences in your life that help you teach you at some point that that's the way to enlightenment to freedom to to freedom from this autopilot. So we're born. We don't have autopilot. We're taught autopilot via society by our fire family. We're open. We're open beings in that first stage of life but you have to be able to function. Yeah you I if the world's acid trip and you've no structure as a baby you don't have you know I don't know if it's like an acid trip but crazy colors road no straddle. No-one anything is. There's a name for this what's language. I'm calling this this. This is the color blue we have to do that. In order to then experience the things right but you learn that behavior you learn that autopilot from mostly from your parents from society but then you have to learn that well you it sounds like when after the whole Superman thing you know you thank thank God in a way because let's say the sequels happened you would have been you wouldn't have changed you that would have liens on like a fricking cranberry song. Who knows you know who knows but the fact that it is really broken down in a bad way or lashed out or done some other thing. Because I wouldn't have had you know. I wouldn't have had the experiences that I had to have the loss that I did have to help with that emotionally. Thank you are from that experience growing and figuring all that out in those fucking moments where you're just sobbing and growing as by the way you weren't that old when this when this happened. Twenty five twenty five. I thought I knew everything. Of course we always do. It's crazy but look with the whole thing. You told me about this because I don't know much about this with the atom. Another character in the comic books ends up in the comic books they take over that character. That's what I read online. Is that true? Yes in the common thing in the World Ray Palmer gets lost I can't remember exactly where it gets lost. in the multi verse or in something mixing that up with with the an with an aunt But he he disappears anyway but he leaves his belt behind which is in the comics. How he has the power to shrink and This young man Takes over takes over Ryan Choi becomes. Okay that's in the comic books but something was working and everything is great in the ratings are great and everybody who gives a shit if he gets lost and he let them get lost. The last episode. Am I wrong because I don't know how this works? But that's not so. There's a lot of rumor that flies around because you know these things are out there and and for whatever reason they don't have a This Nina is not my. It's not my place to to to to really speculate or because you can tell you know I think characters have put out there to see how. What the response is and what happens. And that's not what happens with with Ray In the end I think I'm fine saying that he doesn't get lost into the multipurpose. It's not we're not following the Comic Book Structure Bright. But if they ask you they gonNA come back for this thing and the next season down the road. If you're not going to be on the show anymore I mean would you would your ego then takeover or I don't think you ego it's like no. I want to do anymore. Yeah that's a tough thing. Yeah I've done that come back. I'm like I don't want to not not for that. We want to come back because I was that guy. Yeah so I'm not going to come back and some other university fucks going on by the way it's great it's great stuff. I'm just saying there's another legs and it's mean it's like it's like this is not what I need to do. Yeah I came back for season seven. I came back for season ten for the finale. I WANNA too great for the fans and there's a lot of rumors and stuff. There's always go. He left the show backgammon. Kevin Smith says he left the show. More fucking time. I Love You. Cabinet said it but. I'm like I I mean technically. My contract was six years. I talked about this six years. I stayed until seven seven years. I did one hundred and sixty something episodes and then I said Hey I'm GonNa go do whatever and of course people like. Oh of course no matter what I do. It's not gonNA be as big SMALLVILLE So I went off to that I love yes I wanted to direct. I want to do this. I WanNa hear my family. I want to know what is he doing. Blah Blah left smallville. What when they come back. We'll fuck you. You're the one selfish telling me what I should be doing. Fuck you so I'm angry but what I'm saying for you is if you come back because you love it and it's great and all this is interesting and that's what you do it for of course but if you're like. I did this for five five years five seasons on on legends and then I season on era hundred over one hundred episodes care. I'm saying do you think you'd go back I? That's kind of a bridge that I will decide to cross when I get there. Yeah there there's a there's a lot there's a lot wrapped up in that answer. I'm sure there's probably a little resentment. You said you didn't like how you how things sort of By the way. I I really appreciate your candor and just sort of your just just being able to just feel and say that These are feelings whether they are. They're necessarily right to someone who watches the podcast with someone who looks at your interview. You can't say everything that everybody wants you to say. You can't feel like so. Sometimes you challenges is trying to live for other people and be what other people think. I should do. My fucking challenges worried about what people think of me thank you. That is the hardest thing. 'cause you want everybody to be happy? You want everybody to be like you and you want to do. Of course you want everybody at the end of bad so I'm just going to really try. I'm GONNA fuck up. I am going to fuck up. I promise essential to life but it's essentially I do a lot I know now and hopefully if you love me or you like me and I say something. You don't like you know go bomb vacuum you go all right. Well that's his opinion or that's how he felt that moment. So it's it's tough. It is tough and like a lot of people on the outside will always say you know the thing you always hear is like you know. They're lucky on my God. They don't have a right to feel that way. And I'm like I gratefully shit. I live in a house. I I'm able to do great things. I'm blessed beyond record. I am blessed if it all ends now I am. I say man I. I had whether I had the opportunity I had the I had everything in front of me whether I used it to. My best capabilities probably not. I'm learning to do that now. And helping other people in which makes me feel good. But I don't know where I was going. It's okay it's okay to screw up and but I appreciate and to see people. I think it's important for people to know that were fallible. You know I you know we for me. Putting up the playing the character Superman I put a lot of pressure on myself to to to live up to that expectation. Always I was already a the boy scout and didn't do a lot of crazy things anyway but I made sure that once. I got the role that I was that I protected the image. Not only myself but of the character integrity. It was very important to me to have the character have integrity and it's a balance any way of trying to showing perfection and then showing that in a life isn't about being perfect and I think it's important for people to know that you know that it's not always better on the other side you know we have this imagery of this view of who people are and what they are and we imagine what their lives are like we we project and we want to live that life because it's better than ours always and you have to come to terms with the fact that to find happiness you have to be okay with where you are. Well this is your life. This is surrender to to your experience. Some days are good sometimes are bad for for everybody. Yeah I I. I tend to do that. I will look at like my friend. Canton Indiana with his three kids in his house. And you know I don't know I just there's this envy. There's this This feeling of I won't say it out loud because God I'm sure. He wishes that he'd be on a hit show when he goes out. Some people recognize him and he does all these things he was a Laker Games. And the deep down. I'm thinking slice awesome. He's got three kids in the Mid West kids are drinking at garden hoses maybe go to a Walmart together wherever I'm serious. There's there's certain friends that I look at that. I'm like I mean it's so cliche it just doesn't matter what you have in terms of money you're just you it just doesn't you hear it all the time and you're lucky when you have and you have all these things what you do with it but also I mean you think about the happy moments happy moments when you just connect with someone he just. It's not about the money it's about two people going. This is a great moment. This is fucking. I can just feel this me. This is this is beautiful. Witnessing something really nice and it's very hard and we get caught up in all expenses it's experiences man and and that's what it's all about. I think that's why I'm learning I am. I'm learning everyday. I'm like why am I not happy today? Why do I feel You know what? Why don't you take a nice hike and look at the beautiful fuck and trees and nature and cheer? You're colorblind but this guy still looks great. You know I mean there's so many things you could do every day that we just go tired. I'm this and just get a cargo for a drive up the coast or I mean wherever you live. There's always something you can do to just go to get outside and when you get outside of your head when you could just say because that's not fun to be in there too much too long but if you just take a you know today. I'm taking the day off. I'm just GonNa Hang Out Leo and Courtney and we're GONNA go to chucky cheese faulk. I don't WanNa go there but I'm going to go just to see. Leo's face and those those bacteria infested balls and he's planning as you know there's that's where you know people talk about meditation and and I don't have a regular meditative practice I still can't. I still have not had this found the structure to to do that in my life. But I've read a lot about a lot of books of spirituality and religion this man and and I do have moments where I'm meditating in life just in just in life was on a setting aside time to do it but my point bringing this up is clear. Mind is one thing but listening to your mind is Is is maybe another thing. And when you're in nature you can be in nature but you also have to be aware of where your thoughts are and surrender to the fact that you're in nature and that you don't need to write the email and the you don't think if I'd said isn't it think about what's think about what's for dinner or check your twitter messages because if you have another follower if you just but those that's autopilot it's so it's so quietly running these programs running background that it's really challenging. We start to cultivate the ability to listen to it. And I'm saying this not because I mastered it because I am currently working on it As you're talking to somebody even can I talk to you and still have that awareness among over sharing or why am I sharing this information And and I do that because I with my son can. I Really WanNa go to the park with him and he wants to play with me. Can I just surrender and not worry about anybody watching me and saying Oh that's brain around? Is One thought that POPs into my head. Sometimes the other is oh I have this email. I have to get back to my man. Undrafted my something texted me. What what what are we having for dinner? Yeah I have to let go of those things in order to really be with him fully and play and engage and then I can get back my child like sense and and really just play with them and that's really a challenge challenge. You probably get down on yourself like why it you know why because this is honestly this is just as bad as cocaine addiction. Okay because it really is or a heroin. Maybe I mean maybe you won't die as fast. Maybe it doesn't feel like it's fucking you up really badly but it is. It's almost as if one thing leads to another two three hours of a wasted day to man I could've Could have been having a great hike with my friend or it could have been it. Just sucks the life out of you and it's it's hard and it's a boat. Why do I have to keep coming back because you're DICTA to or addicted to it? This is it's that's the world we live in and so but we again like coke addicts like a heroin addict. Guess what we got the fucking choice. Say you know what I don't touch you today and guess what when I pick you up tomorrow. The world won't end It just won't I might have forty emails tomorrow. I'll take four hours. I'll just get caught up and everything but today no phone be present and you know I. I had yesterday for a lot of the day where I was just distracted from doing things I had. I went to the Ronald McDonald house at the kids for three hours. I went to this other thing now. Eighty five percent of my day was like I couldn't really be on the phone you know and that when I looked at it I saw these measures really missing. Oh my friend Keira said what are you doing okay? Sorry House just being busy. You know you don't in how. How do we feel compelled to respond to everything I always? I don't want to hurt people's feelings about hey I'm in town. What are you doing? I don't have to respond. Do Do you feel like you're the flow to my mom? If something you know Flynn the flow. What people call the flow yesterday? More of the Zelda is the flow. There's something I mean that's when you get creative. People talk at home and they do daring things in his surfing or hang gliding all kinds of they get in the flow. But but it's just like ease and There wasn't as you know. I have like horrible neck issues from Fusion I mean. They're getting a lot better. But I notice when I'm connected or when I'm when I'm not on my phone because you know they have this epidemic of people looking at their phones and people are growing like tails and their science true science. Look it up but by the way if you have neck problems should you be like this? Should you be fucking down like that? I mean we just do it but yes in zone in the would you call it the flow. I mean I just want to get more on the flow of life. You know I said to myself I wrote down go away and I named a couple of places you want to go here. You WanNa go here and I'm always waiting rally. Let's see my friend can get off work and go with me. Why don't you just fucking go by yourself? You fucking loser. Who can't be by yourself? Go to fucking Italy by yourself for a week. I know if I die you die in Italy. That's pretty cool. I mean why can't you just fuck be go take a break turf off? Go to get a hotel somewhere in Santa Monica and just go on the beach. Anywhere does do disconnect. It's so easy to do and I keep pushing it three weeks four weeks. It's like I'm going to put a date in my calendar after this interview. I'm the say if you don't go by this date it's over. I hate you. That's what I'm GONNA say. People go on vacation and they can have that reprieve a lot of the time. We don't go on vacation enough and it's something that you can do. I think probably on a daily basis checking in having that mental. I'm always called mental vacation. I it's it's it's understanding. The poll of purpose go back to purpose and drive in work and kids and attachment to all of these things in the social structure. That is life that we have to experience. If we're just laying on the beach all day I think you really would get bored of that to a degree. So that's why people who who gets cancer right retire? They often find. They need something else to do because sitting at home. All the time to play world of warcraft. I'd get bored and lonely at some point. I would want real human interaction an Audi. Go Out and do something. So it's a balance between structure and non structure that we have to that we have to that we can push push towards is is is is working. I don't want to not be working Doing the work. It's going to work doing something useful a that that hopefully benefit society in some way. But I'm not killing myself to do it. I'm having joy while I'm doing is. I'm finding a way to be an awareness as I'm doing everything I'm doing in life. Do you know what I just thought of. Maybe this isn't profound when it came to me. It fell profound when we're on these things and we're so preoccupied with all these. It's because in the back of our fuck and feeble minds brandon. Were thinking about his once. I get to where I don't have to care about this once. I have such a enough money or success with this thing that I loved this. Podcast gets enough listeners. Then I could really. It's always going after something that's intangible that is like it's never going to end then when it's bigger than what then. It's harder if you don't learn to do it now. It's never going to learn it exactly. That is very profound. I mean it hits you on a different way that that that that is the experience. We're all doing it a different way. Now we all had different parents. We all went to you. Know had different friendships. We all have different jobs and different relationships to the people that are work. But we're all living a human experience. We all have their different social economical economic status and all of that but we all are challenged by the same things And the choice is. Do you want to continue living like that? Tissa choice or that. Would you like to investigate a different way of being so that you can be at peace with where you are presently? That's it I agree. I think that that's I think we all want. Everyone can relate anyone who is listening. We want peace. We want to just know we were a great friend. Great Father Whatever it is. It's just knowing I am enough money. Money's not gonNA look at Tom. Steyer for instance he just popping into my brain because I saw him on. Nicole bear the other day. This guy has a billionaire. He's not at Peace Now. He's fighting for what he believes. Is the right of of the of the country. He's billionaire. No political you know not in politics. And he's GONNA run for president because I I can see. I don't agree with what's happening and maybe I can contribute. Maybe I can help now. Yes all those things but but he's not if money gave him peace of mind he beyond beach gives all this money to charity every year and now he's now he's running is running. Money doesn't buy you. That's just like that's that's altruism that's like philanthropic at another level when you have you could disappear. You can own the half the earth and what you're trying to do is just be a better human being make the world better that y increases. It's exciting that and is doing the same thing on the time and you have a piece in it's boring. Let's say that should always be war? Strife to make life interesting but we have to have challenges in our life we want challenges we strive for challenges that we strive challenges we. We don't think we know we're doing it. But but that's exciting Do you play video game. We just wander around and you don't aren't aren't aren't challenged by anything. So the free play of a world. it's fun. Yeah but I think that you eventually want to be challenged by by something in order to have the experience be worthwhile have the experienced interesting and also to learn from yourself. You're not challenged that's great. That's what I WANNA do. I WANNA be in love. I just want to be in. Love sounds stupid but I do think it'd be awesome to just beef for crazy about something something. I'm gonNA crazy about people. It's just that you know when you can trust someone wholeheartedly and just relationship. It's been whilst had that kind of goes back to youtube though man the band you to say it's because maybe somewhere to them your capacity to love someone else's your capacity to love yourself and Saturday and and the depth with which you can accept and love yourself as that with which you can do to the other person I think and that's something I've had to learn inexperience as well and it's also not always about you and you need someone the sort of say. Hey asshole turn your phone off. Spend time with your family. Oh my God you know. Sometimes you need somebody who's also accountable you. Could you know they can help? You know you're accountable for your own. But also someone else's life is not meant to be lived alone if you damn Ralph. I don't mean you can be. You can be single you if you're not if you don't have other people in your life reflecting back you are. That's about memory so learned anything in the process of being also. Is You have to have to just like you have to have black and white. You're out to have more than one person more than one thing. In order to know. Know who you are Help you figure out who you are to bounce. Yeah you have to you have to. Yes you know I. I apologize apologize for the beginning of the interview. I felt like it was just too intense. Felt like we just jumped into it because I wanted to talk to you about like toys around the house and like you know you guys just got a house and and You know you want a Toy Room. You want some because you have toys to you. Were being superman ban. You had underpants now underpants Pajama Jam is yeah underpants. Some times part of they've kind of you all this do you. What kind of twitter favorite toy that you have? I don't say I'm a collector. Like looking around your I I. I'm not I collect. I have the toys of the things that I've been in because people send them to me in this kind of a unique thing so I don't I wouldn't say my collector of a collector of of of memorabilia that much but I do have some cool things I have a Joe. Montana signed football. Did say that. That's probably my biggest hulas giants fan. But I'll never forget the that team. I Love Montana and Dwight Clark and it just yeah go ahead go ahead so that was a pretty. That's a pretty special thing for me that I like to be able to put up and have a room to display the movie posters and all of the projects very cool props and things that I might have. That people have made to me just to go. I get all these wonderful things that people make for me. And they're just you know some of them end up sitting in a box and I'd like to display and sale. This is cool. I mean that's nice although it's hard to put too many things yourself because it looks just strange things myself. That's that's good. I don't WanNa do that but I think what we're GONNA do is. We're going to incorporate some of those things into that into the house in a in a way in a cool way and not be so not that we ever really strict about. How we you know the art. We put on her in her house. But but just free with it. So this and art. And here's a poster of the show and here's this and that here's a picture of our family in this and just kind of have it more be more unique the the family. This is our house. How's your house is our house this? Is You know museum. It's just a family. Thank you seeing this as a museum. I think saying I'm saying out the faulk did what does that. What he said. A hoarder this eclectic this one. I mean thank you. I think that would be the word for everyone to do something for. I do this every episode at the end of the episode. It's for Patrons they get to ask some questions here and This is called Shit Talkin Rosenbaum. Danny says I think he's great at playing comedic scenes. So I I'd like to know which movie makes him laugh the most which movie in history of life I'm going to go with my favorite comedy as probably Monty Python Holy Grail. It's great one. I love that. I'll cut your frigging leg up plane. Aloe Vera remember all right. Niko P when preparing for Rolex Superman. How do you make the roll your own? Without crossing the line into imitating previous incarnation. I'm sure you've been asset a lot. Yeah and again you quick questions. You don't have to answer. You know you'd be quick if you want okay. Essentially I was tasked with kind of having the similar energy of Christopher Reeve in Superman returns and so I did do that and partially that was just in me because Having watched the film many times he was my superman so it was just innately there I haven't had a absorb a absorbed. It I guess to degree and then you know I did. I played Clark differently. I I think in some ways my my my. My approach to him was was a slightly different than than Chris But there are. There are similarities and there are things that are there different so I'm not afraid to to have walking footsteps because I thought I was tasked with the that's true especially if they're going well he resembles a resemblance. If they're saying that they wouldn't have had the joy to get go. Hey lex luther out. Until I wouldn't have wouldn't have gotten the job. Didn't do some of that Jili Brandon. I think he doesn't amazing job at playing characters that are good instill making them entertaining. Does he get tired of playing the guy? You play bad guys. I don't get tired of the good guy. I never get to play the guitar. The joy and the experience of life in the balance you know I. That's why I love playing a Clark and Andrea Palmer. So Much Clark was was able to be human and to live as a human on earth. Because he couldn't do it a superman so hip is great joy in that interacting with people. That's why he was happy. And all of these things and and Ray Palmer Is it has a similar approach about life. As well he he believes in goodness and happiness and all those things but his journey on legends has been with veterans of Courtney's character dark to see the other side undefined balanced. Kind of mirroring my own life Angie. It was a difficult to keep a straight face acting beside justin. Long and Zach and Mary me absolately. I'm sure I- I ruined a couple. A good improv lines that he had when that happened because I couldn't he's hilarious. He's coming on the show to Casey other than yourself. Who's your favorite way? Not Casey asking case Casey says other than yourself. Who is your favorite superman? Oh I love myself. Who's your favorite Super Christopher? Reeve Matthew J what we thought Scott Pilgrim vs the world where you played a crazy powerful Vegan ex-boyfriend. I'm curious what you think of the role looking back. Now that it's been so many years It's a fantastic film. I think it I you know I still get a many many fans who come up and are very active and Colin and a quote lines from the movie. It was so much fun at great as a genius The whole cast and crew was fun to work on and I love playing outrageous out there over the top caricatures Ryan. Do you know a quote from that movie Can't think of anything codes followed. You actually play the bass. I learned to play the Bass separate for that to play the Trumpet Baseball opinion but yeah played. I played trumpet in Middle School and played the pep band in college. Oh Nice I haven't picked to play in high school. I did play in high school. I mean Yeah Jazz. Band wasn't I was jazz band. I was in marching band. I didn't end up doing a marching band in college. Which because I I didn't work schedule but My Dad is a jazz drummer and so to a lot of Jazzmen Gerry. W how did you like working with Bryan Singer? You took a deep breath amount one. Well there there's trying to challenge a challenging it's challenging subject matter obvious obviously with the current But like Brian is a is a film genius. it was very passionate about the film and I think made a great. A great movie was not always easy to work with. Why wasn't easy to work with? I mean we're talking about mental health and everyone should be seeing a therapist. Everyone has trauma in their life. And when I say trauma it just means emotional experiences. Heavy emotional experiences. That doesn't mean you had a traumatic brain injury or that you're in the war. Everyone has had some kind of trauma in their life. Everyone should be seeing a therapist. I recommend a trauma therapist. I see one and he had the things in his life. Which you know would come up. And he wasn't always The the kindest person to everyone he was always put on his best face for me thankfully so he was kind to you. That was not that was not. You witnessed other things that you like. That'S UNCOMFORTABLE ANGELINA G. Before beginning work in the industry. What is the one film or show? You wish you would have had the chance to be in before working in the industry if you look back and go before John at this time. Can I'd love to be on thirty. Something was that on. That was that was way over by the for me before the industry groups thirty something now forty eight something four hours in. What was the one film or TV? Show you're like God man. I'd love to be in that. How many years ago you start the industry? That's figuring out twenty twenty years ago so that was ninety nine moved out to La. I mean I one of my first editions was for Dawson's Creek who not not not not as a regular. It was a character that had like season three. So I kind of watch sounding like oh I'm GonNa go 'cause I technically wasn't in it yet. I wouldn't say that was a huge dream but it was the first time I I never thought about that. So if I it's a conscious thought about being on it was like what if I was on Dawson's Creek and don't you love that song based hate it. When I was wrong I had a yeah I was like. Am I going to go lower than that's GONNA sound stupid? I forgot know I went for the original team. Ask to be over. That was a good song. Hussein made a penny isn't a penny something no penny. There was a penny look Brian while masking the next question. Okay we're almost done Taylor be what move your show were. Do you feel your greatest accomplishment and why I always kind of lean towards superman because it was the biggest most pivotal experience not just career wise but but but just personally you know everything has stemmed from from that experience but by the way. Did you like working with Kevin Spacey? Shut up shut up but you know I didn't think about that. He was Lutheran that movie. Cole Paula Cole. Just CHECK FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES. For maize pending. There is a ban something a penny something and I can see that. It's not look you just gave me last last Dionne K. Or some of the funniest moments on the set of chuck I liked. I love that show. I was a fan of that show before going on funny moments funny. Funny Funny You know I always loved being in the by more that was I was wanted to be in the buy more more but my character was. The Bad guy turned good veteran. Bad Guy so I wasn't there very much doing funny stuff but I always had fun when we were there. Oh funniest or in the funniest Lisa. I love him unless I love him. And Legend says Lisa. Thank you Lisa. Question would be in regards to your current role. What has been your favorite air era Because I know that was like the small Valero. There's this era right historical events slash legends. Have back yes. So that's kind of that. Would count right crossovers kind of. Yeah Yeah Okay. So what is your favorite? Well I was be the when we seem two went back to Like five six hundred. Eighty not yet eighty camelot. Camelot episode and I was. Ucla was knighted. Sir Raymond of the poem. You love it it did. I got to sword fight just dressed up like a stud neal McDonough Love Neil Neil scra- remember us on that he's great. He's he's he's he's such offensive. Yeah well he did a lot of kids. Six kids son of I think she's a fantastic actor. He is really. He Played Courtney's dad in the in the show. Dad You know Nora and Dame darks relationship was was awesome and I got to be a partisan fun stuff with him. He's he's scrape by the way. Have you finished filming now? You're done yes. I finished in November in November. So that's it was an emotional finish. Did you cry Front of the crew? Were they upset people because I feel like they love you? I did cry a little bit. There's It was a weird schedule. Because we were filming a crossover as I was filming my last two episodes so hard dependence over going back and forth. Crossover days to to episode days. And there's a very dramatic Very dramatic scenes in the last couple of episodes and One in particular between Nick Zano and I and I was that was that was the hardest the hardest day and I got a lot of my emotions out that day on onset on Camera. I bet they came pretty easily. It was there. It didn't have to reach far for it. And so the last day I was in the atom suit doing green screen working by myself with the crew so it was a little bit kind of a last day about when that makeup artist you give the hug when she kinda did you go in there. 'cause I remember I used to have my head cleaned up to two hours in the beginning to to do everything right. You know The figured out ended up taking an hour and a half after two years of because you can see heroin solitaire. So they shaved me. Is You know. And then and then at the end it took a half an hour to get it all off and warm towel and just like you know and I remember the last time and I was Kinda like Is Crew and hugged? Everybody and I was just ready to go. I was just ready. Yeah and as I'm walking out. I looked at Natalie I looked at her and I just fell apart and I just started crying and she cried and a helder this woman. I knew her by far more than I've known anybody in my life. Yeah I was with her all day. Seven years ten months a year twenty two episodes a year and it was just in that make over two hours talking about her life all our stories and her me talking. She seen good bat everything. It was just this emotion. The port out and what was great was kind of bittersweet was in my left. You know it was a couple years ago. Had the show called him pastor those on for just a couple of years and I got her to come work on the show. And some other crew guys from Smallville and I got yeah. It was nice to see the back up. People don't realize they're family. You're with them. More than your Fam- absolutely family. I mean that's the hardest thing we there were a couple of people that that happened to me kind of that surprise like oh well there's that okay there's some strong emotion and the after just felt like she knows no there were no it was. I was by myself screen so so it was just the crew. Dp probably yes. I mean he was trying to listen or are. Akm Operator. You know he had to keep it together and do the rest of the work and But with makeup and hair especially. That's you know that bond and she wasn't there but but but our first day for our last days together. We were having emotions together because of our last scenes together. And you know it's just a I I've never I've never been in that position before And again leaving wasn't my choice. So there's all of those feelings mixed up in there and nobody wanted to my knowledge. Nobody wanted to see me go So and they they knew that. Let's see on the road rage because they were watching the road from eight years ago. Yeah so I take that experience and I'm I'm very grateful for it and I have to be ready all practicing all the things that I've been talking about the school. It's all conversation is having that be a part of my story that is part of my experience And when I start to ruminate on that after go okay but leave it there for now because I thought put usually not gonna put me in a good place and you can't control it and I can't control it anymore. I can win. Control my response responses to go. Okay I'm thinking about it now. How can I best serve myself? And my family in the small thinking about that are moving on and finding presents to be with my son or my wife. My you said something before. You're grateful I'm grateful that you came on the show today thanks. I'm grateful for having yet thought this was really fun and insightful and I mean I think look I think you're a great guy I think what's great is you're you're you're very honest with yourself to be because I think I always had. 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"This vandross jason j. lose the voice superman on justice league actions wade. Why you're listening to be cut. The al things could tell you. Find cats including superman and we discussed games cartoons. Tv shows and finding on facebook. Hello everyone welcome to krypton. Report is a special episode. That i got to interview some amazing superman collection. I actually put the interview on youtube. And i hope to have more video soon of the collection but a highly recommend checking out the krypton youtube page to actually see some of the stuff. That roy has collection t-shirt. she likes. He likes your shirt. I like yours to tyler. Thank you she likes hyun around. Welcome to the krypton report. Today's episode is a very special episode. Talking with someone who's superman stuff is far past my imagination. That's right a collection so amazing. That philip should just get my car and drive right now. i am welcoming a fellow superman fan ambassador friend and collector mr roy thomas. Welcome roy thank you. Hi tyler how are you happy saturday. Happy saturday gotta love recording on saturday morning. Yeah it's wonderful As you can see you can see some of my meager collection behind me. A lot of my stuff is this way. Yeah looks great dull This is what. I call the cave of solitude. Basement room here. That's terrific great man. I'm go everything well-situated the one of the best things my wife and i when we found this house was having the basement like this that way i can put all my collectibles in an area. And they're not in the way of you know people coming over to the house or whatever and it just makes it nice. I see you have your own special ryan. We moved here We lived in a huge house in when the boys moved out. They got all that we moved into little ranch and the only thing we wanted. My wife wanted deal ceilings upstairs. I wanted a basement. That was finished so i could bring my collection down. I didn't have nearly as much over the last twenty two years. I've really added to it. The thing is about having the entire basement. Is that the maui. Have to store all of our in the garage. We don't have any extra room on air. 'cause dance got it all but my basement is separated into two areas into a superman area of the vast majority of it and then i have a batman bar in a batman area off to the side that i'm pretty brought up. That's all that's exciting. Yeah it's it's funny I'm gonna send you later a mean. That is hilarious. It's a it's a picture someone made. It's like a house plan and master bedroom. Kitchen superman collection of my My wife every time we've looked at a house. She always tries to find that room for me. You know like yes. I don't know if you can tell like we. My wife plays piano and sings her pianos back. There might be people my bases or over there For the christmas we got the kids kids sized drums and guitar. This room serves as not only like the superman room but like our music room erin so we always try to find your basement birdie central. Yeah i love the basement this together. We're always down here I've always got somebody over whether it's a kid or somebody from the neighborhood or somebody from the comic store while my i mean there's always somebody over here and we just vitamin i set my art room warm at most of the time and talk and you know just talk about comics. The whole thing is this i. I came to believe that used to be partners in anna comic book store still there. But i got out and Comic bookstores for the most part are dingy and dark. And you know they. They thrive on the regular customers. And i think guys don't mind early. They may even want that way. Because when a bunch of grown men get together and they wanna know who's more powerful wonder woman or power girl and could superman beat. Captain marvel these kind of span boy conversations. They don't want other people listening in on it. When we're geeking out we just want to stay little comic bookstore in geek out on what we love and whatnot without you know because if anybody else were to hear somebody not into comments. I mean they think we were. I think that we were a bunch of bull schoolkids way we i've been into. I've been into superman mayan tire dot my entire life. I do as george reads and that Every my father was was kind of a ray. Keep look womanizer. This laugh what i earned about truth and justice the american way and how to be a man i learned from superman and today i just a reporter from the daily. There's nothing really funny anymore. About truth and justice. And the american way we see it on the wane now and it's more important than ever and as for me. I'm proud to be a fan boy. I'm proud to be a superman fan. I'm proud to love to draw comics. I If the true american art form yes it is an original american art form and I think it's got as much value. I don't believe in high and low art. It's got as much value. This john is any other genre has and As i say. I'm i'm familiar with a lot of fan boys all my friends at fan boys and Role happy that will that we are that. I'm sure it's the same with you. Thailand you know are like you're saying i taught a Middle school art class. Not long ago and you know the kids were creating things and they were talking about. Who's better i was like you know. The thing is our is subjective. And i i pulled up on the computer. Like here's a picture of batman drawn by bruce ten. You know i'm like you know. Then i'm like here's a picture of batman. Draw by lebron mayo. Same character both good in their own way but you know strikingly different in the So i agree with you with the high and low art. And the the thing is is that i. I set out to draw comics. I went tomorrow. Got a work permit and i went to marvel at sixteen And there I was an intern. I just stuffed stuff. You know rain holes and and beds copy but being around the bullpen. Even though it was only a short. While 'cause i ended up being drafted taught me a tremendous amount just watching and learning and into the service doesn't covers for dc. But then i went freelanced. I've never looked back. I've gone underground comics. I've drawn everything you can possibly think of. Make a block in my life. Whether it's the history of the black movement on zayda party stores whether it's disney cared goes on a basement signs were built done everything to make a block and it's helped me in good stead. Were not my advanced age luckily I concluded much Handle pretty much anything. that's symphony. My cards everything gone again. Be gone or rather. Let me tell you tyler. I've gone everything to make the block of my life. You know everything that's came up to me came down basement. You said like. Mike had a basement. But i had eminem stuff on it and i had some coke stuff in a good friend of mine said decorating or you collecting and i said oh Decorate and i guess because we collect you need to collect and just that openly is. And that's when i went completely superman and batman i used to have star wars in hulk and i got rid of all that stuff put in the basement and decided i mean in the garage and now i I collect slowly superman and batman and it's He opened my eyes. There's a big difference between collecting and decorating. You know what's funny is i always. I always joke that like all. When i was born i came out with like the spit curl and everything some of my earliest pictures. Milan has like me and my superman pajamas. You know and she has a picture of me crying next to the washing machine. My superman pajamas. She was washing them and i was wanting to wear them. And i've always been that kind of like. I want to collect things display them. Move my kids when they come down here. they don't understand. Why can't i touch daddy's toys like no. We don't play with this toy and they just look wait. But that ain't you going to open that one. No when i have a five year old granddaughter and Since she's been a little baby. I've allowed me to play in this one little corner right year. And she's got a piled up because my my at least my general philosophy my general approach to collect. What was this. I knew That i was never going to be able to keep up with the guys that by the us. Hundred hundred dollar statues. Yeah i wasn't going to be able to be like those guys that sink thousands into the man cave just and they build you know places in ehrlich chambers into their wall lights to put their with their figures in and all that everything i've done is is all made. I've done it myself even like this. Let me see if i can see like this thing. Right they said big man out of wood right. There is homemade my philosophy. Was this the same guy who told me are Adding decorating Collecting told me that big pieces you always going to have. They're always going to be somebody's gonna sell 'em there's always they're always gonna be around but the little things the five to ten to twenty dollars things that people throw out those things because of their rarity and their scarcity will become worth more money as time goes on to story a gentleman i on ebay ordered a spent thirty five hundred dollars on a spider-man diverse spiderman popsicle sticks no popsicle but the sticks and the rapper in good humor he paid thirty five hundred bucks for so i started going not cheap. But i haven't been. I think the most i've ever spent probably one hundred dollars on something. Superman didn't bartered bartered for wonder woman picture. Yeah beat the the city of which i bartered for another picture that kind of stuff but despite spending money huge amounts no announcing z. Closet one second. Let me see. I wanna give you that. I did it a little short. Thank you oh no problem. One talks about when we talk about being affected by superman as little boys. I did this eleven. My mother was the one that trinity for me and she told me with the story. But i'll just tell quick. It's two pages but it's all about see it right. There is a little boy looking at in the air. He's learning how and socks and this was me. A thing about meet pretending to be superman as a little boy and i had this thing now for fifty nine years projected it for me and you can see. It's all about a kid pretending to be superman he's been he's been a great influence in my life as i'm sure anybody that's been into these been influence no like i'm not really happy now. Everything that they're doing to superman purist. It's a case of migrants damned. If you doing dan if you don't the character writers have to make the character fresh. They have to eat them. Relevant in current up-to-date and bam boys want that but then the second. There's some kind of change with its joe's uniform into his curl they they don't like it. What are you doing. How dare you and I guess i'm kind of those kind of i. Guess i i get it. I go back and forth. You know the the the the character the image that impacted you that stays with you But it's like you know at the end of the day. I don't own the character and so like i can only be angry about so much You know i. I just tried to embrace anything in everything and i mean if something you know does upset me. Of course. i'll say something but at the same time you know what are you gonna do about it. Yeah i can complain. Or i can just be okay. Just let it go. There's big problems bigger things in the world. all there is. I mean there is in fact we would talk. I'm mulling over. I had a fire down here in my art room in a wastepaper basket and Smoke damage was terrible. And i lost all my letters from my mom. My mom navy and stuff. I had my bookcase My personal letters and books and photographs. And all i lost all of my personal stop at once the fire we had the Insurance guys over here and they were kind of giving me goth over my collection. All you had an extra writer on this while of one hundred and forty thousand dollar ranch. My basements insured one hundred and fifty five thousand while simply because things i have done here. They sent might soon collection over to this guide ozone it charged insurance eighty thousand dollars while back then the when the adjuster came down this was seven years ago v. e. adjusted and he But the price of my suit met collection one hundred sixty seven thousand now. That was seven years ago. I've added a contoured since then one nine. I'm getting i'm seventy am wanting to get a house up north here northern michigan because my daughter said to me she goes well dead when you go or got the bitch. 'cause i'm not gonna know what to do with it out dust it and stuff but i'm not gonna dutch anything. Come pick it up cool. Yeah yeah. I like to sell a piece muller as much as i can. There's a debate. I sell it all at one time to one person or sell it off peaceful or piecemeal that the thing that keeps me from really right now the big hurdle for me to sell it to a Just really we had the money. We'll take it. But they want me to catalog every tyler. Yeah that's thousands of pieces. Oh i believe. I mean just looking at behind you like. Yeah it's You can see a naturally. That's just a slob art. It goes all the way to the back and round and I've got ss on my floor over on this side. i've got an is just. It's insane and if i do not along take me and my wife the catalog it would take months. We yes to do all of this. Yeah exactly. I mean it comes down to like the one thing i've thought about collecting you know you're talking about people who get the high and keep up. Yeah yeah it's sometimes it's about you like what you like what you can. You can get trapped in the. I gotta have it all you know everything and especially i mean. Nowadays there's so much that's made in variance and little differences and they know that collectors go crazy over it. Okay look fun cope pop. That's that's out but bunko. The twelve eighty care couldn't find one. One of my very good friends is a manager of a myers grocery store department store and he hooks me up when things come in. I finally got one but already there. Celena they sold out and in lieu of statues. What i started doing was my own. Dd kind of statute. Who's one of a kind and i'll do doubles. I have one right here. That i did just my superman table. Oh that's awesome. And i've got a soup table that my sister-in-law old Dinette set that. I painted blue and red and let me see if i got all. I'll get you one more. Sure and meyer. The man's collection. Hear anyone who's listening Related to watch the youtube video just to see the the beauty of this man's astounding collection rarities. And just what it means to be a lifelong collector at a time before people collected right. Well my my good friend. Old friend lappam's every every year at the comic con here at the motor city comic con. I seem almost every year. And we certainly talk. And i will usually do him a piece of one of his covers or something like that. His famous cover muhammad ali. I'll fighting superman outrageous boy. I wasn't gonna pay two dollars for that s ridiculous dollars out. Some guys want to sell it to me. One hundred fifty nine mulling over. What i did was. I took the comic. I made a three d mah li fighting the light fighting superman and what he did was he signed it for me. Oh wow so now. i can't sell it. The signature alone was more than the peace. And then i did at albuquerque newman. Nice man and then. There's this one here that i adored we. He said i did. I say i do these in lieu of statutes buying them. I just draw my own. That's cool and they really caught on. And i'm so busy now. I'm busier now at seventy than i was. I've been at any time in my career My emails off. Look my phone rings at any one day i've got. I've always got ten twelve fourteen assignments always in the rear behind me at one hundred hours a week and i only. I don't do doubles now. I've done superman that. I've never done the same one like we were talking about. More were different. Artis josh superman and whatnot. I purposely try to get him the different situations different for different. The my money. Believe it or not with everything i do. The for the last ten years the number one in my opinion. I john joker harley quinn job jogger are league. When do you do joker. He sells more. Probably by five to one anything that i will use. Undoubtedly the most popular comic character today in comics batman. the joker. Everybody likes him. Everybody identifies with the not identifies what everybody thinks. He's cool so on a weekly basis. Draw to jokers a week where people simply because especially since suicide squad and youth ledger batman. Yeah take off. I love your room back. There looks eclectic very nice. Thank you thank you. I'll take some better pictures here in a little bit and send them to you. Send you some meyer room in my and my basement to basement wall is covered in artwork. I mean i've been down here twenty three years and I'll bet you. I've got two hundred pieces hanging down here that i just you know. So let's let's back up for a second here. Let's let's dive back into young roy. Yeah what was your first exposure to the superman character that you can remember first exposure to superman yup george reeves And his tv series Superman com accepted that. I got into superman comics just before curt swan to go over out full time. And i can't think of the gentleman's name. It's a mind bart again even think of his name now The guy that do it back in the forties and fifties. They say the guy was a real piece of work but it was curt swan. I loved his style. You such pretty pictures and like anything else. It was the imagery that pulled me in. I wanted to learn how to go. Look how he draws anatomy. Oh look look those billions are drawn and i could stand marble simply because back at the time. The color was substandard. I thought the the pay the bill of the paper sub-standard and jack kirby do everything and like an idiot. I didn't realize how great jacker was until i got on later on in life. What am i thinking. But it was by that time then You know even in the as a as a teenager. I went to the service. I always had a suit. Nancy stood on my shirt. Or you name it. He's always been a A motivating airfield my life. You really asked just glad that every time a new movie comes something. Thank you got. Let me live to see this new movie. I'm just wanna brothers today. Though i wanna brothers really they need to take a page out of marbles outta marbles block when it comes to put not to look how perfect marble put out there movies in conjunction with each other so everything. Bits like ambien glove it. I mean that that the dived on that whole rabbit hole. But you know the best thing the big thing there was just. There was one person with a vision as an producer. Who was an overseer. And you're talking about yup. And he had the vision he had the idea that he kinda controlled everything. At warner brothers. The idea of like well. We'll be a creator owned studio thing. And and that's i mean i get the value in both but at the same time. Having that one person overarching elps make the cohesion of every. Yes i wanna brothers took a took the stand Couple of years ago where they wanna do stand alone movies on. Not so much. These these multi character driven movies. But they want movies to stand alone batman superman without batman being in it by versa. And even though they've had a couple of deals. I hope i is that the The the releasing of justice league i hope will kickstart the franchise again Because they're a band boys like this one guy told me he said i don't care good or bad. I don't care lousy special effects. i don't care. He said. I saw aquaman batman flash in a movie together. And that's all it's important to me but now word is is that The whole franchise may be kickstarted again. Because of the snyder cut some people say it's just as boring to make a flower movie and then have. Hbo cut it up into four different days. Imia rate doodle with two days we want but this four day thing i. I don't think the movie should be seen like that. I think there should be two hours. Intermission come back and finish watching the like. These characters are important to a lot of people and it's nice to see their continuing stories You know for me without just like you know. When i was little real little lois and clark was on tv. So i watched the tv series of lois. I'm ben when i got to be a teenager and i was in highschool. Is smallville came out. So then i'm watching teenage clark in high school while i'm in highschool yes and then now we have superman and lois and it's awesome because it's superman a dad and i'm a dad. Yeah my kids are younger. So i like these connections with the characters. I liked that. We're developing these characters more kind of reflection you exactly as far as you were in high school. Nama dad with kids and you know things like that. Yeah that's It was lois. And clark that ultimately became responsible for the death of superman you aware that they wanted to marry him off in comics and when they found out that the tv series was going to marry him off. They had to come up with something else. And i think it was dan jirgas say. Let's kill him off and now and that's what they that's what they did. Yeah i like that shirt man. Oh thank you. My my wife's best friend's husband got me the kingdom come. Who superman shirt. He got me the red son for christmas. Nah so to order these two man website and i liked that i tried to collect. My shirts is like getting the different versions. So it's not like combined the same thing over and over right. Yeah but wasn't say is when we conversation we've had a lot on the podcast and stuff is what i hate. It seems like the only superman stories of people that matter to death superman stories. It's like everybody wants to do the death. And even all star superman which is people's people think one of the best superman stories ever written is a different death of superman story. Yeah and we'll story beautiful story but again about the deficit mental and to me. I like more of like superman stories of like like the small stuff like I buy a lot of stuff in trades. Just because it's easier. And but i always like superman grounded volume one when jay michaels trubisky was writing it because it was like superman taking an interest in ordinary people and being with people in like the impact of the he can bring in small ways. And that's something that. I like seeing reflected in the character on the different shows and everything baby girl. They're both solomon's got try on what fits and what doesn't okay. You have your own pair of pants k. Malia be home soon will use a go. India in the superman comics years ago. Back in the sixties mid sixties. They started a little thing In the back backing cox used to get a full like fifteen page story and then you get some usually three stories in comic welcome and they always had a little little two or three page story in the back about the character and they started a little thing called superman or the secret. Life of superman gone by kurt salon and the one way came hold on the planet puts on a smoking jacket and he decides he's gonna try smoking tobacco see what these humans find in it and he smokes a pipe in a crushing the pipe and all of that but they did a lot of little allowed a little stuff like that about trying to show you behind the scenes you know. He doesn't wear glasses at home. But that was a long time ago and just to try to give us an idea of what would be like to be to be that way in real life and have to act like you know like your regular person but there's been so many deep deep psychological discussions on superman about how fast brain works as is he got a supercomputer as brain and if that was the back he wouldn't be interested in anything. We've got going on down here. Because his on and on and on remember the time when they got to the point where she could actually blow a star create other realities and things like that and they had to walk they had to Dial it back a little bit. And i wasn't really one when they start taking powers away list. I really wasn't a fan of that i really. I don't think they should put that gannon where we're going to take his powers away from making. I don't want or need more. Power superman would say and i'm thinking that would be. That's kind of a mistake. You know just that's a mistake don't loses out you. Don't have to concentrate on everything but embroiled out sons and moving planets that but at the same time you don't have to shop it at the same time. Don't making them what he you know. And i would also like to see superman and more of his comics up. Of course it will never happen. But every now i'm gonna cross. Oh but i really would like to see superman Take on team up battle other characters. You see a lotta fan boy pictures. I did this one man in the hall. Okay i would love to see superman. Fight the hall. Did you ever see the if not. I'll send you a link. There was a guy online who did like an animated superman fighting the hulk video. Okay very good very good really well done. Yeah yeah. I missed like the old. When they had the dc versus marvel book that came out in the ninety s. That will never happen again. We tyler for years and could still be so the court. Target market or accountable. Scher were young boys between the ages of twelve and seventeen ones. That that's why the women had been brusson little twelve inch waist long legs all the fighting all the adventure Because they add. They were aimed at boyce with the price of comics. Today for five bucks then. You get the graphic novels. Twenty twenty five blocks. They'd pretty much closed off the the Genre do young boys as far as nowadays still by comics. But for kidney and a lot. When i was growing up dig a dollar and get did comic books for a block your lamp daddy. Why you can't spend a dollar anywhere if you walk into complex stores under five dollar bill by one comic. You're going home without anything. I'm very much against it simply because these it happened when the artists writers pretty much took on free agency to a now. You know you get a mike. O'brien brian michael bender. Make it by million dollars year designs signs a ten year contract. Look jim lee saying exclusive contracts would millions generally is Know i watch them often. On the internet i would. I would highly recommend that. I go to jimmy's website and he's always drawn somebody different. And oh that's a very cool band when we get on stadium there. No yeah thank you i also have. You might appreciate this. it's my wife. It says geneva. My soul mate in crotone ian here on my arm awesome. I sign my name. Goop tonia net is awesome. I got that done two years ago for our anniversary it was anniversary i got it done. I went went overseas. i. I stopped in alameda. California tattoo parlor. People bodies. And i didn't know what to get got i wasn't at all. My uncle was in the navy at a black panther. I get a black pants on my arm. It cost me seven dollars. I get the thing. Done i go. We leave we onto bar. And i am sitting there leaving the next day. Woman sat down the two stools away from me. She looks over and she goes. I really love you on her daughter and she goes. I'm sorry is it. A squirrel us know lady. You know the worst add to you could possibly you could pass. We imagined when. I see people tattoos i respected. I admired but the pain. How do you set their handle. That pain 'cause even the little one. I have after layup two minutes they got. Raise your wages hacking in your eye and stop. I can't I got on right there. Oh that's very cool. My that would be very My mother-in-law bought me a gift card for the tattoo shop after i graduated. College was right before i married. My wife is actually right around. The time smallville was ending. I and got it done any regrets about getting a dan. Hi it's as long as you don't put a nine year necker on your hand. You're fine. I mean i would like to come down a little bit but it's not it's fine. Yeah yeah so i can't. I can't do it because i'm on. I'm an old man. I'm love dinners and medications. there's no way i could. I bleed out if they got a tattoo. Now in besides tattoos for the yang basically The older you get your skin loses its elasticity of black doron fade and things like this before a guy my age. I mean it but just be wasted money for me to go get a tattoo home. I'm supposed to go out today. Now if you hit the art store and There are I had a friend of mine walk in a couple of days ago. He had a Superman flying and as soon as he walked in. I knew it was mine and i said We're in the hell. Did you get that. I got an antique shop in. Bill was in the front window. He said i do the damn thing. Probably thirty years ago was an antique shop. I got a. I bought it. It was it was in the front window and the guy walked in the guy yet signed. And everything's you're not signed by. I don't even know i got there. I do have an awful lot. I walked into a restaurant out at mount. clemens A suburb right across the coney island across from the house. I walk in coney island. They've got a big man picture. I do twenty plus years ago. I don't even know how it got there you walk you go in all the neighborhood stores around here. They've all got stand ups. They've all got pictures. They've all got where the angelman or stores and stuff and sell them wore me. I've got my stuff hanging in so many local businesses around here roy. You decorate our business and we'll sell the cella boy right off the wall. And that's what i've been doing for the last ten years two years and it's turned into cash com goodness but you have four hundred pieces hanging in coney island an insurance building at probably another hundred air smoke shop sparty store name it go ahead diana. Oh that's that's impressive. Let's let's just goes. I'm trying to make a block. I don't advertise. It's all word by mouth word of mouth. Because i've never. I'm certainly not ambitious. And i'm not driven and i really don't have any kind of a plan. Just do what. I like to do it. Hopefully it'll get john. And i've been lucky in that because i make i make it pretty decent living from celebrate lance arc's the thing about glances though As i told my students. I teach art twice a week down here and as i tell my students Being freelance you've gotta hit every picture out of the bar. You got hit every ball at you. Can't have a strike or a ball or a you know a double donald. They're paying you. They want a home run. And that's where the pressure comes from itself. Vote because you wanna do the very very best you can do for that client. No yeah well. i'm houston pieces. I'll send them to you when they're done. Do you want you want those pieces to be able to hang up or do you want him. Stand up would. Because i told my wife i told her about it and we have some art pieces upstairs. That like i'll take some pictures and send them to you like some friends have done and stuff like that so she wants to hang it up when i was telling her about it so yeah i wonder so. Limit by train of thought here Who is your favorite superman. Walbrook something into the role and agree with that. And like the way what i tell people when they say when they ask me who my favorite is i say i picked the one that had the most emotional residence with me reads. That'd be christopher reeves for me. Probably georgia's i like christopher reeves up a trail because he was happy-go-lucky way about it And that that's what i enjoy. What i what. I what i don't like like in superman returns with brandon ralph. I don't like When superman gets his butt kicked and then you know like would i thought it was just almost an unforgivable. Upper gimbal seen is when You know lex. Luther kevin spacey's british ship him with this sharpies a grip and they've got him around these other guys and he's young. Oh oh come on man come on. it's mean beating. Him is one thing but then to have him. Yeah lane screaming as they're dragging me combine you guys. You know don't do that don't do that. I wanna concentrate on me. The super but i also like it when the concentrate on the man bart. Yeah that's what. I like about henry gable. He's he's a real man. A manly man playing playing that role. But he's even even henry qabil cable second movie made. I just read some. He was off of it and then a couple of weeks ago. He's back on and then yesterday and the day before they're saying no he's off again. They wanna go with the black guy for superman which. I don't agree with not that i have anything against black people. But that's the that's the other thing is little controversy is the changing of of the race of some these characters And it didn't bother me at all about when when superhero came out a jimmy olsen was. Dc's answered archie. Andrews dislike check on star. Trek was their answer to To davy jones of the monkees. I never thought about it. S that's awesome so when I completely lost my about jimmy olsen jimmy olsen in the comics famously redhead and greco famously. Because he was answered archie andrews and then it seems like just by virtue of the fact that we're still that we're we were another important genre. They feel they have the license to to to change the character's or the situation of the characters into something totally totally different. So when lok when when supergirl is talking about you know having a crush in jimmy olsen. And i'm thinking oh jimmy you know and then. Some tall black guy walks in jimmy olsen. It has nothing to do with racist. It has everything to do with comic purity us you know if if if how many white characters we see. How many black characters do we see. Change to white. And what would the reaction be if that happened. You can imagine so it's important and it isn't warm damp black label believable pertinent vert characters. Then it seems to me it would be better if they would come up with new characters rather than changing the white. Erica into black. I think that would be more insulting than anything else Like i saw one time and he said you know. I'm tired of people trying to dawdles. Give us our own history month. He said not how embarrassing we don't need our own history black history history that black separate history system. it's not a case of course the prevailing political winds in this country. Today you say anything even slightly controversial they cancel you out. It's not about race. It is about just being true to the characters if you if you and rightly so if you think flat people need and deserve rightly so their own characters give known characters. Don't change the race. Somebody else to make him black. I think you wanted down after that way and you insult the audience that you're doing it for in my humble opinion. See i i. My thing was with the supergirl thing. It's like i liked the actor. But then as jimmy james they made him to cool like they may james suave and like my jimmy. Olsen's a little bit more geeky like always quarter. I always thought jimmy olsen evenly when he grew up more like a peter. Parker you know how tight character and they made him just to like cool and man's walked. They changed the character in every way. But my my compli purity. And like i get it and my things always been hair. Color has always made me upset. Like you know 'cause in comics you only working with so many colors. You're drawing so when you make a character redhead or black or brown haired It's for a purpose so like you know amy. Adams is lois lane. I hated it. She has red. And i'm like that bothers me because in my mind. Red hair is lana but yet since the superbowl tv series every live action. Lawn is now not bad. Yeah i mean it's yes. That's exactly what i'm talking about. Why would you. Why would you change. Do you feel it's important. I mean like even any adams said one time she goes. Well i ask that will offer lowest name. Oh okay shy now. Leave it read. That shows me right there. That zack snyder really isn't yet to spark. It's it's dulce things right there. Those those little things air color because they had a very limited color palette. So you changed your. Here's an identifiable feature so it's llamas. She's got red hair even though does he can't see the 'cause you've got red air and it goes back to you have different. People drawing it so subtle differences could make it look difference but the hair color is something that helps because if you look at jim lee drawing the face of bruce wayne and jimmy just joined this superman there's a lot of similarity in there you know. And that's another thing. Is you know with the characters like the little changes. And sometimes it's hard to tell like with hair color for example Melissa who super grow natural brunette she dies at blonde to be girl in. India is her name linda. Danvers in the supergirl. I've only watched it once. What's your name and serve. Were named heart these used car danvers. Odom yeah because she was normally blinded war. Brown wagon. The in mcdermott folks. She dies it so it's just To me haircut kind of important just for like identifying markers and well. yeah and it's one of those things like i could argue over it or quebec. Okay but at the same time. I'm like man. You want that the purity to the character so others another example i was gonna say i can't remember now but i've had brain farts all morning long. This is one of those things like. There's there's things. I don't mind being change like i actually really like jason momoa as aqua man. Let me do and what they're doing with that character. You know. I like the idea. That or You know if you look at it in the movie or looks more. Like your blonde haired blue eyed aquaman. But i like. They gave aquaman the diversity and things like that so like to. There's things i don't and then there's things that work and don't work but it's all what it is it's it's not again. It's not a question raised. It's what works and doesn't work. And i can even understand them wanting to change up. Get fresh get new. Everything under everything's under the earth has been done already. I all of that. I agree blot again. If it's that important then Spend a little time. And and let's be a little more original Others i think that. Hbo warner whatever has a potential great spot and doing a series just based on the milestone universe. Yes i was watching a documentary on milestone comics. And i was sitting in. I was thinking they have these great. Like icon and static shock. And i'm like static shock or static however you know they He's become more prominent. But i'm like just listen to this documentary. That's a whole world that you could invest it in a series and do all these characters together in a universe. Why not do that. Why not the comic book was a very important comic book company creation for a lot of people and why not invest in a whole rich universe with those characters so but i mean it's one of those things like all right evy. Fan boys got there as long as they as long as they Maintain the truth of the story of the character The the the hard lesson learned by hollywood was that You must as outlandish as it seems. You're dealing in fantasy with comic books. You have to make the movie at least where you take it seriously. The character in the story. These are real people with the movie situations real. It's when you fall in. That trap like batman tv series. Will you make it campy or you may get Unrealistic that's where you start having your problems because Bad boys get mad at that. Stop dr say yes I was gonna say smallville lois lane. They introduced her as a blonde but then by season eight. If you watch they start dying her hair brunette and then a little bit and then my season tan. She has that raven black hair. Yeah because it was like she was becoming fully lois. They wanted that right. Look got what. I was gonna say well for me the my money i think Erica durant's smallville with covered the best losses. I mean she was so beautiful and she's i thought she at perfectly. She's my favorite and i do. What's another interesting thing is if i were to just pitch you. The character idea of superman and batman for for some film superman sounds like. That's what you want on the big screen that you're spectacle. Batman is your pre police procedural tv series. But when you look at the history of the characters batman has you know done better on film In the movies and superman has done better tv series we've had what george reeves The super bowl tv series smell. Lois and clark girl now superman and lois. Yeah you know. Compared to the batman which only had batman sixty six in gotham tv series. So it's just interesting because because of that you get these characters these actors get to play these characters in spend more time with these characters like erica durant. She played lois longer than anybody. Technically yeah so. I would do ninjas. She was so beautiful and So fine and wasn't it. I think it was super man's lawyer in small bill. What her name is. She played lana lane and one of the movies. I believe superman three. I'm enjoying this I think what we'll do is we'll wrap this up and we'll get back together and do more later on because i've been enjoying just the conversation because shurmur one thing that i always appreciate like i did a conversation with fellow. Superman podcast He's from england. And i've done crossover podcasts with fans from australia and it's getting the different perspectives. You are older than i am so your experience. The catcher differs from mine. And it's always fun to talk to see what resonates what hasn't and just your experience with the character because like you know for you. Collecting a lot of things weren't available to collect. Now i can walk to the store and they have stuff. Oh we're in the platinum age. I'm linden comics movies and merchandising. So i'm here lending. It's so easy for me to get a hold of you know superman items compared to what you know the struggles of finding thing in did did This is we live. If for collectors batboys other than the the the rising expensive everything for us to live in this age. It's it's the worst time the best of times now. We can go to the movies or rent these these fantastic big budget superhero movies. We've got the comics we've got online. We've got the graphic novels and we have the collectibles and So i it's it's the best of all times for for a die hard fan like we are in really everything we talk about. Whether it's whether it's changing the rays of a character the color of all of that is just. It's it's just peripheral stuff. Yeah i mean the news but main characters still exists. They're still they're still viable. Still beiber and You know at one time. Back in the sixties that the monthly issue of superman so lor comics than all comics combined on a monthly basis. Think of that superman when he was gone by good swan in the mid sixties was the number one selling magazine in the world. The other thing is too when you you watch. These new shows like america's got talent. Well we have you know thirty million viewers tonight. I got news for you. Man when superman george reeves came on who was sixty plus million kids watching him every time that two game on and i've often thought if people would have lived mean we've raised that i've often thought he didn't realize how much he was loved by those who watched him and if he would've lived as we grew up we would have made him a superstar he would have been. Yeah george reeves. You would had resurgence because these kids who loved so much as a kid is superman. They would not have forgotten georgia's. My coach deal breaks over george reeves. Just just i mean the way. Adam west is kind of had a resurgent and latter part of his hat. I i've been at comic comecon with adam west and burt ward whose ridiculously away and And last when i. When i the first time i signed was charging thirty bucks in or an autograph as usual along he was charging or one hundred dollars for the line would be wrapped around the building. Twice to get his autograph. You would leave these comic cons with tens of thousands of dollars in cash from his signature. Yeah it would have been the same with george reeves doors gated. He would have been but he yar forty four forty five years old even cancelled. You think you're going to have to go into wrestling. And i i believe. I'm the one of those deputy killed absol. I don't think he was voted. I think he'd so. I think he was depressed. And i think that People realize that his hair was snow. White you've been dying. If a superman he was in with snow white when he died still trying to play superman. It's it's definitely heartbreaking and you know. I have some of the seasons of adventures of superman. And it's it's a good show to watch and good take on the care turn getting. Somebody had to be the worst. That's why you know when you talk about heath ledger. he's lead. you would've been heath ledger. Vietnam had jack nicholson bombs off of and do something different. The first guy to do it really always should get the lion's share the credit if it's never been done before i mean look at jack heath ledger jack. Nicholson's joker was the standard by which everybody else now teeth ledger. But but ledger had something to bounce off of was nicholson didn't and the same with george reeves. They've all all those that come after have shoulders to stand on the curse. Guy doesn't wellbeing. Kirk allen's was like the forgotten superman just because you know it was the movie serials and they didn't and then if you watch like we did a comparison. The first movie serial like the first episode and then the first episodes of the adventures humane tv series. The storylines very similar. The blue similar are very similar. And it's just you know it's like kirk did it. And then they made it better for george they had they had in the fact that he was flying they would. They would animate him line. And the same. With the first batman. I watched And the guy who played batman and a serial plate up thug in movies and b. movies as dia career in the uniform. Looks like somebody just took part of paper rolls twisted the in a yup. I have that. I had that to collect and have the representation and look at what became before because you can get so caught up in the now and not respect like it's so interesting when i meet people who are you know. They claim to be big super superman fans or big batman fans but they have no knowledge or a respect for anything other than the now and i can respect them. Okay you like what you like. But the same time like it's great explore where the come the characters come from what they've what they've done like the different variations. What the different actors brought to the role like. I love georges clark You know and. I think that's something that's important. Well there's a big question. George reeves come George reeves played. Clark kent as like. He did basically he was. I'm with pair of glasses. I'm you what didn't play the little milk. Toasts gently like christopher reason. I think that I always noticed. It doesn't bother me. But i noticed it that he was never. It was always the same guy no matter who why he was. The in some comes down to like. I my my good friend brian. He's been reading. Superman comics decided he was going to read. He started with action comics. One and he's been reading it straight. Yes and he said you know the big thing is chris is. Superman is so economists clark so iconic but at the time the comics didn't reflect what he did it's something different from the comics and made it put his own spin on it through you know the director in the writing and everything and You know we We forget that so to wrap this up. What is your one your favorite piece in your collection. Probably my cake it's It's only one of relieve of twenty nine. That they made it came with his. I don't know if i can show you here. Let me see if i can just give you a quick of it here right there. He said yep was one of twenty nine. It comes with the belts with the little apartment inside the belt and all that and At the time. I believe i got it and this was all years ago it was it was is around seven or eight hundred bucks van and the the guy that had it he had ordered it and he wasn't superman fan. He just thought it'd be different and he We swapped it up even for a painting of wonder woman that was his heir loved one to one lives it in the painting rather pay me. He gave me the. We also did the same thing on battle bottled city a cantor. He gave me one of those four picture but big hundreds of dollars worth of picture. Yeah so listen. It's been a lot of blonde. I'm glad we finally got this together. anytime you want me on the word i'll be glad to We'll sit here will Should the crap as far as what we love goes are all my best unit family. Thank you thank you so much for inviting you. 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Crisis on Infinite Earths: Parts 1, 2 & 3

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Crisis on Infinite Earths: Parts 1, 2 & 3

"Yeah the world's will live live world's will die in the Arrow verse will never be the same. Hello again everyone. Welcome back to the Phantom Wendems- zone podcast on one of your co host. Charles skaggs back in the fan zone once again. Not Talking watchmen this time. We're GONNA take a little side aide detour for a little bit to talk about. Oh just this. Little event known as crisis on infinite earths the dixie. W Do air overs crossover joining me of course is my fellow Phantom Zone Co host Jesse Jackson and a low Charles ask you. I'm doing great your prices. I'm ready I am and because this is a crossover we couldn't just do it with Jesse N- myself we had to bring in somebody else to do a special crisis crossover so joining us all the way from Milan. It only once again actually for the very first time here in the Phantom Zone. I stand corrected DJ. Nick welcome to the Phantom Zone. PODCAST I well. Hey guys thanks so much yes indeed this is my back official baptism or risk if you will on the on the condom zone podcast. I'm I'm so so happy you know it's like I said to you guys whenever I get to talk few boats and do this stuff with you. It's like Hannukah Christmas and Kwanza Owning once. Thank you so so much for this early Hanukkah gift really appreciates that. Don't worry don't worry nick. Your Genitalia will remain intact. Once enough is enough. I'm sure I'm sure. Yeah you don't need anymore. snipped off so for those who don't know here the Phantom Zone podcast if you're if you're not familiar digi nick the host of the wonderful whiskey and cigarette show where where he talks about country music and also the host of the new happiness in darkness podcast where he talks comic book movies movies so he kind of does the movie version of what we do here on the fan zone podcast and of course does it far better than yours truly. That goes without saying right. So those I would I would tend to disagree Chaussbourg so As you can tell You know we've know nick for a little while. Now he's been kind enough to join us on Titan. Talk the titans podcast and of course on next up everywhere the doctor who podcast less than Bruce Bruce. He's done the Charles and Jessie try right. Well now it's now it's now it's because now he's here on the fan zone podcast so we'll just see figure out how to get him on ghost. Would somehow I think I think my opening opening theme should be. I've been everywhere you know hayward that was a great johnny cash version in my opinion so I love Janis version so yes all right see we even worked a little country music for you go all right all right so Yeah Crisis Earth. So we're going to talk about parts one two and three and so. This was the the first three episodes of the five part. Crossover the air just this week because here we are talking on a Thursday just two days after part three on the flash so so part one with supergirl Part two was bad woman. Part three was the flash rush. And you know I'm dying to get your thoughts on this before we get started though. I WANNA throw a quick question to both of you. Ah did either of you happen to re read crisis on infinite earth and the original. DC COMICS MAXI series by Barb Wolfman and George Perez before watching in the CW crossover. I did not. You did not nick. How about you indeed? I did yes I binged binge read it and I have to say it was one heck of a crazy read as it our listeners do not read it all in one set to in when syncing because you will start to lose touch with reality strange so I did read it and I loved re re reading it and for for those who have not read read it please please pick it up. It's amazing yeah. I reread par issues. One through eight. I didn't get through. I figure I could probably you know like Iran time but I figured I'd be okay because parts. Four and five are in January so as long as I read it before. Then I'll be good right so I definitely you wonder I. I had a feeling about the flash episodes so I made sure I read it through eight for the for the death of Barry Allen the flash in the comic book series stories and Apparently I was justified in doing so. So and she will as we'll talk about so guys early thoughts before we get started because I want to break this up into We'll break this down by episode by so we'll do we'll talk supergirl for a little while Al.. We talk for a while. And then what stock of course the flash so parts wants human three in that order understandably enough You know before we get started though. Jesse let's start with you What are your general thoughts about the first three episodes? I don't know if they could have done a better her job I truly don't I think that you know the And you know I really enjoyed enjoyed The their version of talking dead with Kevin Smith the crisis aftermath spell. Yeah I I really enjoyed that right and I I you know the Marku by right talked about if we if we came up with a hundred ideas and only do fifty of the cool ones we still had fifty call items and I just think everything about this has been a perfect it you you don't get a lot of a time with every character but the ones you do the time you get a really well done. I am so far very very happy with us. Good Nick how about you. What are your general reactions on on this? What we've seen so far? I would pretty much echo Jesse's feedings as compared to the previous two crosses of course which were not at this level. Should we say of all when it comes to doing. You know such a huge crossover rents i. I think we could almost equate it to the TD version of end of infinite infinity. War in an endgame. Because that's how big I think the scope wars fatigue and buying large. I thought it was incredible. It was amazing how they were able to balance everything so well like I said it was incredible Davis basis in depth but to be able to get everything to work properly and for the storyline to make sense and I think also I tried to see it somewhat it from the perspective of somebody who had no concept of what a comic book crossover is. What a big crossover event is like on the scale and I think they did a wonderful job? Also for the neophyte compared to somebody who like ourselves is used to a huge event in comics. Yeah I- echoing both your sentiments guys. you know obviously as you can tell by the decor behind me with all my big crisis hardcovers And Crisis Crossover hardcovers. I'm a huge crisis Geek. I've loved this story ever since it came out in one thousand nine hundred five thousand nine hundred six Obviously coming off of MARV Wolfman and George Perez is tremendous run on the new teen. Titans and you know Oh being a fan of their work and watch in reading this phenomenal event for DC fiftieth anniversary. Back in one thousand nine hundred five You know where for the first time. We saw the rebooting of a a major comics universe in their in their chronology energy and I know reboots have been commonplace especially in light of recent years but you know back in eighty five eighty six. This was something huge. This was this was a monumental event. We'd never seen anything like this. especially on this scale where every DC character just about was involved often this crossover even if it was just a cameo appearance like on some of the characters. Here in this era verse Crossover and so this. This is something I've always wanted to seon screen or you know. I thought it would have been great to see it in an animated form. You know like you know like an animated series or movie Because of the scale of it but you know you have to take what you can get so we get but thankfully we get at least five episodes of this crossover spanning of course all the the main. CW Air over shows news and featuring all the characters that we've known from the beginning all the way dating back to Stephen and Mel who essentially you know like the the Robert downey junior of the Arrow verse. Where where he you know? He founded that That modern Renaissance and and so so I have to take into consideration. Okay yes it's not what it daily what I would want. Not because hey you've got practical. TV LIMITATIONS YOU GOT TV budgets and you've got all these guest stars and you're already probably pushing things as it is so so obviously there had to be things that had to be sacrificed. So so I'm you know I try to keep that in perspective but given their limitations and and you know and given the way their continuity has gone in the air over so far. I think this is a phenomenal event. Absolutely so chauvel yes all right. So if you haven't heard of meat gushing about that enough All right so let's get started. Let's get into our first Episode Episode supergirl episode. Nine of the show's fifth season crisis and infinite earths part one aired on Sunday December eighth twenty nineteen tele play by Derek Simon and Jay. Farber a name that Jesse and I are familiar with the dating all the way back to Jay being a member of the original Titan Talk Amateur Press Association that we all belong to you back back in the nineties. Yeah always like and I've always been a little bit. Not a little bit very proud of the work. He's done he's he's done some great Comic Work I've really enjoyed that The couple times I've emailed him. He's been very nice at least pretending to remember who I was. And you know and I was just thrilled that He's very active on twitter. And it just seems it's like he's having a blast and this was it was just a great start. Yeah and you know yes I realize I'm outing him as a fan fiction writer from back in the nineties but obviously he's gone into the bigger and better things and I'm pretty sure he's okay with that. Housing turned out. I'm guessing directed by Jesse warn. Who is one of the regular directors on supergirl and obviously we had some notable guests stars? I mean in addition to all the main cast asked which is we could be here another half hour just reading that cast but I did want to mention the guest cast here. We had Erica. Durant's as super girl's mother mother allure Zora. who had been seen before? Obviously Burt Ward returning as Dick Grayson in a very great cameo. Robert Wall comes out of nowhere. Yes you reprise. Alexander Knox from the one thousand nine hundred eighty nine Batman. Yes which was immensely cool us. Were hoping for Michael Keaton. But you know you take what she can get and It was so cool to see Robert Wall And obviously with Jesse and I being host of the titans of Titan talk the titans podcast not the APP We were glad to see a quick cameo of Alan Richardson as Hawk and Karen Walters as the Second Robin. Yes from Earth. Nine as we find out titans on earth nine and we got to see Russel. Toby the as the Ray. You whom you may remember from the Crisis Unearth X.. Crossover yes not too long ago. A couple years ago so and yes don't forget. Yes the Bat Hound Ace the Bat because he agrees walking walking working as the bad house but he wasn't wearing his mask. No so he's he's so great said so he was in in his civilian the same way. Well that Dick is so. He wasn't eastbound. He was just eight. Okay Fair enough fair enough okay yes. I know semantics teasing now all right all right so so before we get talking about this. Let's let's talk really quickly about the cameos in this wine and nick. Let's start with you first on this one. Then we'll get to Jesse because I'm sure he's got a few thoughts. What is your take on the on the cameos that we got in this in this first episode? Well I was geeking out like old outdoors when it came to the cameos because recently the impact on happiness knotweed actually discussed Batman from eighty nine with John. Sarno common friend of Alice. Yes and and two zero but again you know after having recently re watched Batman and myself being a huge fan it I feel that was actually the very first bill. Might my parents took me two hours. Seven seven years old at the time we went to see it and it was just wonderful. I did not expect that and not to mention the Easter egg of him reading the newspaper with. He's the Batman from that movie and of course you hear the hint of the school from the film as well which is one of my favorite scene songs songs as as it together with Superman one by in blown away by that and of course who doesn't have a cameo by but woods. That was another wonderful wonderful way with the F. appearances well and what was great was they could have just thrown the these. These sort of appearances away not done so much for them but even even though she received would just had a few minutes on screen it was so poignant and so strong it was enough to be good fan service but at the same Anton it meant something. And that's what I very much appreciated the how this event is being handled so I was very just as happy as Larry when I saw. Oh these these these folks these folks that we'd known you know in previous incarnations in other shows movies and Jessie how about you. Yeah I you know Oh word had leaked out that there were going to be a lot of cameos and I think that was wisely done. I think that is a perfect way to get us. Excited But it was still great to see burt ward and him you know do one of his traditional title Holy Reds. You know Is just perfect I I made the joke that I I did not catch until afterwards that ace made a cameo I just said you know Burt Ward in real. Life does a dog food he has. He has a company that makes makes a very healthy dog food. And so I was like Oh look. They had him because of his work with a dog foods. They've got a dog and then afterwards words. I read someone you know as the town. I went the Ray was was a nice shot that To their err previous crossover seeing the titans just it did you. Did you expect that I kind China hoped that we'd get a little tightness right I also think it's a little fun to see the earth number and do the kind of. Oh what's its earth. Sixty six because it was Batmans sixty-six. Yes you know. Yeah that's the reason that there is a little Easter egg in those earth numbers. Yes I like kind of puzzled. By what the Earth nine is. I didn't either But a lot of them you were able to get at it. It just was a really way to set the table And I also I I don't know if this is a complaint or compliment so it's kind of both it. It didn't feel like a supervisor girl episode. It didn't feel like a bad woman episode. It didn't feel like a flash episode. It it just I felt like this unique thing. even though I guess you actually were part of that like that. The you know the show runners and their the riders and the crew. It was for each of them. Because you when you read a little bit behind the scenes about how welcoming each cast was and all that stuff so so I just think he was awesome. Great Start. Yeah I mean yeah. 'cause they use a lot of the for each episode they use their writers their their directors directors and a lot of ways and it seems like they have a a little bit of a Emphasis more than the others others like the Super Bowl episode had a little bit more to do with the supergirl Setting in the bat woman episode had that woman setting a little bit and then released the Batman setting and then the flash obviously had more of a flash setting for for as far as screen time goes but But I love all the cameos. I love the fact that they weren't intrusive. I love the fact that you know they do. The convince Cameos at the beginning. Kind of get things out like just kind of gets you pumped trumped up a little bit and you know it kind of heightens. Things makes things more exciting. So that when you're then they dive right into the story or back into the story. In later episodes I think it just raises the enthusiasm level. It's almost kind of like a and yes it is kind of like is fan service but so what I mean because because you know why not I mean this is. This is a huge event. You're rewarding everybody just like marvel did when with infinity entity war and you know and and End Game where you have all these characters and you're rewarding the your audience for you're staying with you all those years and watching all those movies and spending all that money so on their on their merchandise and whatnot and so. DC's they get their chance to do that here with with the With the errors and so why not have fun with it. Exactly exactly. I mean I intend to win. Lower was actually saying you know the Fan Service Charles. Unfortunately now you know the would find service has now derogatory connotations behind would say it's fan service in in the in the positive sense as in. You're doing it as almost almost present to the fans. It's like here's what you get you know for being subpoenaed for sticking with US throughout these years. This is all kind of thank you to you as fats. And when you do casting right That is a nod to the past In in most cases they're actually good actors to begin with so why not give this You know that that chance is that you know. How cool is it? Originally when Helen Slater played you know cares adopted. Mom Right You know because She's a good actress. And you you want that connection. So I agree. SMALLMAN SMALLVILLE had that did that as well. You know the reference to Lois and Clark actors and supergirl You know and so it's just. It's this kind of traditional Lois and Clark even had like adventures of Superman actors. There's and Superman the movie actors on. Yes so it's it's it's a nice tradition. That's been started. And it's a great way for like an especially in the case of burt ward to bring everything full circle all the way back to the one thousand nine hundred sixty six Batman TV show well and we're going to talk about at this when we get to episode to episode three right Two different actors have said in interviews. Who's they were so happy they got endings right and so we'll talk about that? Yes spoilers you know. We'll definitely definitely talk about that for part three. I'm yeah absolutely. Yeah because remember. Remember who you're talking to hear absolutely so we're GONNA talk about Mr John Wesley Shipp. Don't you worry again and I and I and I you know I mean to a little bit the paragon are the macguffin. We gotta have this but I think it worked. Well I think there. There's a little bit of mystery. I like the interactions of the team. Back and forth It was just really good. Yeah and everyone got a chance to shine. So let's really quickly. Let's talk about some of the the the events that took place in this first episode highlights After stir of course you know the Cameos We see This horrible sequence of events where Argo city is being threatened in by the antimatter wave. And there's a great echoing of where you have Lois and Clark who are have relocated there under that Red Sun and so that they could raise their son Jonathan You know the and they have to put him in an escape pod. Echoing all the way back to Superman's origin. Where Jor El and Lara? Put Cal in that pot. So here's cal l after you know. His parents did that to him. Sending him to birth to escape crept destruction. Now he has to do it to his own son. So Jesse so well done Jesse what did you think of that. I I it. Watching I did and I liked it because It yes it's on the nose. Guess they're hitting you over the head. Hey look remember how cal was sent now than he's having to do the same the thing And then I you know I I love the fact that they told us. Afterwards that the dialogue was almost directly from Marlon Brando. Superman moves yes And that was great I was really It was touching being in. DC that I liked it a lot and I was it. It felt right. It felt right that this this hero. you know. We do this for his own. Son was absolutely yes. And because of obviously Lois and Clark one it would obviously sacrifice themselves for Jonathan. Because that's who they are and yet how about nick how about you. What do you make of that sequence? You what I I love the fact that this coal back to of course the superman origins being a huge man by myself my only only criticism was I would have expected a few MOATS. Here's from Elizabeth to lock and Tyler coach. Linda's case because you're sending away your only son and they seemed upset about it but I would. I thought they would have been more heartbroken. Because you know this is your own flesh and blood. So would've expected just a little bit more a little bit more emoting on that thousand thousand that I absolutely loved it. I mean I'm a huge fan of visible because I was a huge big follower of the TV series Grimm Leach. I didn't know I didn't realize that. Okay Yeah Okay and she ended up marrying her co lead in real life. Yeah so yes. She was amazing and grim. And I'm so thrilled that they brought her into this verse today I didn't know that that's cool. All right yeah. The I agree nick. I think that there should have been a little bit more emotion for that scene. Especially you know I thought that Tyler Heck. Lynn should've just had this hort. Like look of horror on his face when he making that decision like realizing that. And and you know I don't know if it's more him or if it was the director Jesse warn but yeah I would. I would pump that for a little bit more emotion but otherwise I thought it was amazing. That was that was my because it's a minor gray but I think it's fair one. It is yeah I think it could could have been played barry especially after John Wesley ships exit And how more effective. I think that was more because yes because the. CW has often done heart tugging scenes so you think they would play. Would milk list like there was no tomorrow right. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. I totally agree all right. We see harbinger now Lyla michaels. WHO's been on era for quite a while? Now she's rocking the harbinger costume and powers and she's gathering all the various heroes for the Monitor and she brings them to. Do on Earth thirty eight. Because hey it's the supergirl episode. So what better place for a headquarters right and and you start seeing quantum towers or as you know. We used to call him back in the day. The giant tuning forks that was routing up out of the ground. You know these little devices the monitor so so so nick what what did it mean to you to Kinda see those iconic crisis characters and artifacts coming to life. Well when Audrey Mary Anderson said I'm Harbinger I was like no way you know just like Oh my God so happy about it and I was fist bumping and everything else it was wonderful and we got the towers it was straight out of the Comex and you know having recently read the comic version again as we mentioned the fact that the seeing those I think it was anybody who's read the comics must've just had a field of so happy to see that You know because this was yes there you go exactly and I was almost. I hope I know it might be a long shot but I hope that later down the line they it might hint about the concept of metal because of course we know that. That's what the NATO So. I hope they do that. I really do. Because maybe they'll say the the Dark Knight Metal Crossover. They might do for sure but other than that. I was a super super happy about it and I just couldn't wait great to see more of this because I thought they are on the right track. This is going the way I hoped it would go and so young definitely no complaints and plus love Audrey Audrey Marianne Marie whenever she's onscreen and just just see what your thoughts a-. I'm exactly the same place. I was very happy That that we had this You know this chance to see this It there there. It appears they're doing everything right right so I was really happy with this right. Yeah yeah I I feel the same way you know if the just to see the you you know the fact that they did the the Quantum Tower or the quantum towers accurately. And you know any look John F. just as is like exactly like you want them to not just some device cooked up like a little miniature version star labs somewhere. I was very happy about that and I've been a lot of fans especially myself. You know they knew that. LYLA MICHAELS was the real name of harbinger from crisis in the comics. So you know. We've been kind of waiting sitting around for years like well. She got to become harbinger. And here. It is we are at the crisis crossover. And she's harbinger. So I'm really glad they went there. It means a lot worse because hey she's an established character. It's not just somebody so it's like it makes perfect sense all right so another big moment was when As the heroes are preparing to defend the tower Oliver gives his daughter Mia smoke oke her own green Arrow suit before talking to berry. And so so we had a kind of a passing of the torch moments with giving Was it here Catherine what's her name. I'm blanking under name McNamara. Yeah Oh Nick Damara okay tomorrow all right all right I stand corrected McNamara. Thank you so Giving her green Arrow suit because hey she's getting her own spinoff green Arrow in the canaries. So perfect timing right so yeah so I I love the fact that you know hey just like crisis kind of spawned new. Heroes during the crossover you know heroes like the second wildcat you'll end up bond says or the female doctor lights or or others This crisis is doing the same thing. Yes so so Jesse. Let's start with you. What what are your thoughts on that? That passing the torch moment so I really loved. I enjoy Wade. The future kind of story line that they've had all year with And so I love the idea of giving the suit and and Seeing a male is playing this very almost like this world weary person like yeah you know I I. I know that there's a lot going on here and so I really liked it. I was very happy with it and Just everything they perked was perfect. Yeah you think about all the stuff that he's done Aro- in you know the the five years on the end you and traveling across the world. It wasn't that he wasn't just on the end. You as we found out right Arrow me. He's just probably a little burned out by this point and he's ready to He he wants to give everything up and get back with with Felicity well what I'm taking is. He knows knows he's supposed to die. Okay so that is. He knows he can't change that he's putting things in order before he leaves. Yes Taksin. That's how I looked at that. That's that's the weariness I saw is that And and yeah. He's trying to get his affairs in order. So that when this happens because you know if you remember they had the great episode where they kept doing doing You know groundhog day. Which I love that idea that that is now a shorthand? If you're in any show you go. We're doing groundhog okay. Oh okay now I understand the But with quit right just kept. He couldn't save him. Yeah and I which was a great great use of him coming back to For this final season so I I was really happy I also loved kind of jumping ahead the surprise of killing Green Arrow that early. It's like Oh wait a minute I was. I was GONNA bring that up next but if you want to talk about it go ahead. Well you've one of the things that has made crisis stand the test of time versus. Some of the other books that have used that term is is. This was consequences that lasted for years. Berry Allen died yes resort whilst by wild west Flash for the you know like next yes Until two thousand eleven carrizo L.. died read there was no supergirl. I mean you know brainiac five. You know mourned her and this stuff. They're the you know all of a sudden The Google Earth One on earth to only existed in one universe so the Justice Society lose to the Justice League. They weren't two different. You know that happened and that stayed for years so I like the idea that they're you you know. Hey we've killed one of our league characters. We said we're going to do it. And guess what doing it right away. So I was very happy with non act. Were you shocked at the quickly. A little bit. But it was As they say it was a good death you know him doing what he had to do. And I thought that was a great death scene where you know. He's talking to his daughter so that was just really well done okay. Let's get nick on this. So Nick what were your thoughts on on the passing of the torch and Oliver's death scene. Well if you Stephen Katherine Katherine McNamara have a Great Chemistry and they definitely work that father daughter relationship super super well and I'm really looking forward to seeing what will happen to this upcoming Arrow series which way apparently Katherine McNamara will be leading the team as it were and you know when you do get those very intimate. Let's talks new passing the torch you kind of feeding that. Something's GonNa Happen Pretty soon because if you know. TV or movies have taught me anything. Think it's when that moment happens you know something's going to go wrong and and it's a yoga at all you know he's just he's just saying this because he has to say and he's passing on the towards was he asked to but you like being something's GonNa go horribly wrong by the end of the episode and you know and did we talk about a great way of going out. As with the character. We talked recently redone. The titans season to recap talked about cheap deaths with Donna Troy completely the opposite here because it came full circle the characters incredibly well served though the same time I I can say maybe a little bit of pretension that I had a feeding we don with Stephen a male just yet but at least as far as the you know the as appearances throughout the throughout the the Corso but it was beautiful here. And here's the case of great emoting. Because this was tugging at your heartstrings and you could feel that the two actors were really invested in the moment and I absolutely I love that. Yeah I was a little surprised that they did this thing that you know. They killed off Oliver soon. But then you know in in in very next episode in in Partout and Bat woman there are already trying to resurrect him so yeah so any sense of loss is quickly written off because Oh hey they're trying to bring Oliver back already so it so it wasn't as emotional. I don't think as it could have been but but especially in a but maybe we're gonNA get a stronger death scene maybe in part five. Perhaps it'd be or or if you take an account will hey they still have four episodes of Arrow laughed before that show signs off. So what if they kill them off how they get through the next four episodes. I guess we'll see but thank you. And the father A Children's theme obviously is pervasive throughout this crossover. Because of course you have this case and of course you have when he comes in multiple coastal Black lightning with his his family backgrounds and so there is a lot of parental situations going on and I think that sexual beautiful theme which carries on and throughout the series as well. I think so all right now Really quickly because we're obviously going to running on time here so Does Zebedee have like one or two favorite lines from the episode. They WANNA share. Yeah it's not no worries it. Yeah I know I kind of have mine altogether so yeah so. I've nothing big in the first. Would you have any. Yeah I mean I just. I've got a few just a couple of really quick I like Sarah Lance to Rape Palmer. where she's saying you know? What after their trivia tonight loss well? Congratulations you changed. History and lost US Trivia night. I thought that was very funny. Good time travel joke Like Superman with Oliver Queen. We know this is the tyler. Heckman Superman Where he's saying I'm going after him referring to Jonathan Jonathan and Oliver Says Clark can't and superman replies. Those are two words. I'm not used to hearing in my silent. Needs me. Yeah that was well done all right Ratings Jessie. What's your rating for this one? So I'M GONNA give it part one. Yeah part one. You know I'm GONNA give it nine out of ten Rockets sent from Argo city tonight. Nick how about you. I'm on the same page with Jesse I'm going to give it nine over ten red skies. Nice I was I was Kinda stole my but I have a little bit the very ation on that one. So I think we're on agreement on this one I give it nine out of ten holy Crimson skies of death. Nice Nice well done good for you or all right absolutely. That was because that was epic epic. Line all right. Let's move on part to The ninth episode of that Woman Season One crisis part two which aired the following day on December nine twenty nine thousand nine written by Don Whitehead and Holly Henderson Anderson directed by Laura Belsey so we have some writers and directors from The Bat Woman TV series and this one we have guest appearances once again and by Erica. Durant's but this time is the earth 167 lowest lane as we know from Smallville and we had the amazing appearance of Kevin Conroy. As Bruce Wayne from Earth Ninety nine. So how was it. Just to hear Kevin Conroy as Batman Batman Jonathan Check reprises Jonah Hex but this time from Earth Eighteen Tom of course as Clark Kent from Earth One sixty seven. In the SMALLVILLE earth I guess and we had the voice of Wentworth Miller doing the voice of the Leonard. Ai As an in an apparently artificial intelligence based off of his captain cold character. And that's from Earth seventy four a a version where the legends retired. I guess so So any any thoughts from either view on these guest stars before before we get into Topics go ahead. Jesse I you know The fact in an interview Tom Welling it said well. Okay you wrote a scene that I can't say no to And it is just it was perfect. It just truly was and to have Kevin Conroy. Who is who to to? Many people is the voice of Batman. A defendant BENEFA- yeah yeah to have him be able to play it on screen and to play a kind of you know calm version yes. Damaged is just gives him a lot of fun to do It was just really really great to see and It I felt like they step their game up in the second episode sewed which was hard to do because we were all gushing about how good the first one was. Yeah exactly and nick any general thoughts about cameos. Well I. I was a huge fan of smallville growing up so I was super happy to see Tom. Welling again my has the guy gotten big. I was like wow what you humanity is amazing. Met Him I met him in person. Recently here Columbus for was a real Columbus and yeah dude is Jack's I was like. Wow you know so I was blown away by that. He was one of the CMO again. And of course being a huge fan of Batman the animated series and also so the all come video games which also voiced by Kevin Conroy. I was super super happy to see him. It was interesting. The version of Bruce Wayne they gave him in this particular episode but it was one of the here is for his voice just beautiful why. NBA Voice so so much. Join Buddy yes we. Yeah I think we would all love that voice just if nothing else just to just how intimidating and the authoritative it is yes. It's fantastic. I mean you think that man my old repeat saying that voice granted it was. It was funny when we were you know if you watch the crisis aftermath aftermath specials where where he was asked to read lines in in the Batman Voice and that was pretty funny but yeah it was it was very good sport about it. He was on Kevin. Smith's podcast earlier Several years ago and he told the story that right after nine eleven Everyone was wanting to do something and He went there and someone said well. What we really need is like like can you cook? And he's like. Hey I'm an actor I've slot so he was in the back cooking eggs and doing everything and so The story as he tells it is Someone's like you know who's cooking breakfast. Who Batman the Ha- get Outta here and he said while scrambling eggs? I am night. I am the Vince iceman. Yeah and just this music nick. I just think that is so amazing that you know. Here's these first responders tired and to think that you know Batman is cooking cooking. Their eggs was a great story. That's amazing indeed. So yeah it was wonderful to see these. These folks will have to be on this. I would have been even happier if vite seeing my friend. John Schneider there as well but I suppose you know yeah well remember. He was killed off so exactly exactly in fact I I remember that so I said okay. Why why was he? Maybe he should've been on Lianne you you know if you had if you had oliver going there and you had the specter showing up up Jonathan Kent while you're at it in exactly me bogus. It's it's it's it's just meal loving John for what he does just means a great guy that he isn't just you know I know how much he loves mobile in how much into him so it was like. Oh It's a shame that you can give you anything to do in this crossover but other than that. I was super super the happy with this for sure. Yeah I think I've talked. We've talked about that nick that You know he's my favorite. Jonathan can't shoot to tell him that the way we appreciate yeah he was amazing he was perfect. Yeah he's he's he's Jonathan. Kent you want you know. And and in in just to throw Kevin Costner. I'm throwing a little more. You know love on Smallville I I always look at Smallville. And then I look at the The Star Wars You know officially early Middle Trilogy but the trilogy that supposedly it's going I the Darth vader saga and. I never felt as much as I did. I wanted lex luther to be good. I mean Smallville and his role the way they played that and they wrote that you kept wanting to believe you didn't want him to go down that dark path. And so to see smallville treated with such respect and such love of I you know I'm a little glimpse I gotTa Tell You. I got a little misty here in the eyes but you know if you noticed they said that lex becomes president. Yes so So we did go down that dark time. Line that that the prophesized or whatever rate line yes so yeah. And he's he's probably like probably getting impeached right now just all right So this this episode is notable because because this is where they bring in the kind of bringing the legends of tomorrow into the story line You know we get the introduction of the paragon concept up so that we find out supergirl is the paragon of hope and White Canary Sara Lance is the paragon of destiny. And apparently. There's two more in the book you know we find out. There's like another Clark Kent somewhere who has lost more than any man should be the paragon truth while there is like and there's also paragon of courage if you go visit Bruce Wayne on earth ninety nine and Obviously that turns out to be bat woman so we can and Let's see so We have a mentioned that felicity smoke has something called the Tome of the Guardians. And I'm wondering wondering if that's going to come into play later in the in the series in parts foreign five of the Monitor Saves lex Luther speaking the of lex Luther and brought him along just to basically caused trouble with the reasoning. Oh he has has a part to play and it's like well could he have done that. You know or somebody else to play that part. Maybe why did he get luther. But but okay I guess he did choose from heroes and villains in comics. I guess all right So so Obviously just reeling off the death of Oliver. They come up with a plan. Hey let's track down a Lazarus pit only to find out that thea destroyed them all on earth one so we have to kind of go elsewhere to Others where there's still some Lazarus pits that the hasn't gotten to yet to bring Oliver back. And we have Irish mission joining Lois and Clark in finding the Crypt Tony. In which of course turns out to be Brandon routh as the Earth Ninety six superman in honor of course of his Starring in Superman returns which came out of course in one thousand nine hundred six. So so what was everybody's reaction to Brandon routh donning the superman costume once again and I know I keep pretty hard about it. I'm sure Jesse did to suggest. What are your thoughts really quick? Yeah I was really happy. I did not have I mean I think when you pull pull apart almost any movie and especially DC movies you can you can. You can find it lacking but I remember Britain time enjoying that movie and really liking. How he played Superman and Clark and This was he was right there you know. He was very different than Ray Yeah and which you should be You know that's that's the that's the skills and actor that he's able to make characters distinctive. Yeah and and I love seeing the two Superman Dan in Iraq and you know nice glasses and kind of feeling back and forth and and him despite all the losses the idea and He still optimistic and I think that's one of the things. Tyler brings to the role to who is he. He appears he's having fun. Yes he superman and yes. He takes his responsibility seriously. But when he's guest starred on supergirl he he's he's having fun and so I like that even though and it was a great fight scene gene I just loved everything about that. That was great. Yeah I know I love the fact that you're like you said he was optimistic and I was glad that he obviously didn't go down. Earth Ninety six. Go down the road of Earth Ninety nine Batman so I liked that a lot Nick what about you. What did you make of brain? Ralph Returning Superman. I have to say I cannot wait for somebody to choose. Superman returns on happiness dot. DOC discuss it because I really want to go back and watch IT I. I was so tempted to do it before watching this but I said to myself I'M GONNA hold put it on hold to somebody chooses it so I can watch it again because I do have very fond memories of that movie and definitely produce to brand new route Doing such a great job of distinguish himself between Rape Eh and this superman and I think the interaction as Jesse was saying between the two Superman was wonderful. I thought you know as as a fan of Dr who it made me smile because it made me think of the crosser events of the day of the doctor when you have the Pentagon after losses on that. Yeah Yeah and so I had that in my head you know that was. I am sure you guys did sue so I felt that was that was brin and only know it was. I just love Brandon Ralph Through from both on legends on in Superman written so it was it was just splendid spending stuff and I'm so glad that they gave him this ro and they The fact that you had played the man of steel previously. Yeah I've always felt. That brand out is a very underrated superman. I agree because Superman returns wasn't as good as we would've liked. I don't think I think Brandon routh should be held in higher regard word because I thought he did phenomenal job in that movie. You know especially you know echoing. Christopher Reeve without trying to do an imitation tation for process so I liked that a lot. the other big thing obviously in this is where Kate and Kara go-to Earth Ninety nine and they encounter Bruce Wayne only. It's not the Bruce Wayne we were hoping for and It's the Jesse said it's kind of like the kingdom come version where he's wearing the exoskeleton suit from kingdom come but but it's not the kingdom come personality per se. It's more this way this we find out that This is bruce that has gone over. The edge has has taken up killing and had to be stopped by Superman. They have big throwdown where that Earth's Batman Killed Superman but in the process S. became horribly crippled in the process. So Nick. Let's start with you because I know you're a huge Batman Geek What is your reaction to Kevin Conroy? Playing this particular Batman it was a very inter- I it was very interesting. They gave him this kind kind of Batman to play because obviously in Batman the animated series and Video Games. He is very much you'll straight classic Batman and to give him. Shall we say this salads almost hired version of a character very similar to a certain extent to Dark Knight returns. That's that's what I had in mind especially when we found out that he killed superman. I kind of had the tendency my mind when I saw that. And but it was a huge shocker. At the same time I I say once again I say Kudos to the writers forgiving the this because you think to yourself okay. This is a guy who is pretty much crippled. What's he what function will he play? Within the the grand scheme of things is he going to be the calculating mind. Because you know of course. The Batman is a genius so it could have played that role on the team when you find out that he's not exactly your friendly neighborhood Batman as it were. He's kind of a totally. The opposite I was I was shocked I was I was genuinely shocked at that but I think having Conradi that wonderful wonderful job and being used to just hearing his voice back she seem physically acting. I was just so so happy I absolutely love. I think Ruby rose Who I was on the fence about I on the bat woman series has really grown into the role that she did and she did a wonderful job in Banja with breath? Karen Koehler Roy. So congratulations to both Ruby. Anza Kevin for sure in the in the scenes they had together. Yeah that was You know with with bat woman. It almost almost felt like that was a turning point for her where she's able to see the road that she could go down and maybe has to kind of reevaluate. Anyway things a little bit so we'll see where that leads her and Jessie what what. What are your thoughts about About that woman and Super Meeting this particular Batman well what I loved is they. They didn't they they went all in You know you. We didn't have a redemption Ark with this version of Bruce Wayne he he was He thought he did the right thing. He was Convinced even in his death you know and I liked that. I liked that a lot that you know they because this earth breath you know right. This place has been so damaged so I I loved that the way they did that and show that And we've already talked about it with so great to see you know him under. He's got a suit underneath the EXO skeleton and someone showed a picture sure of kingdom come Bruce wars suit underneath the skeleton and it was just really nice. Done seeing the Fox guy. You Know Vox Lucius Fox. You know kind of trying to have to provide them. I mean well. Actually it's Luke Fox. I'm sorry it's because Lucas Lucius Sun on and I like the idea that supergirl Oh and bat woman right kate. And Kara are bonding and I see you know that's a really really nice Extra thing that we hope we can see in the future i. I liked that their version of the world's finest for US old time comics. Yeah that was. That was something that was kind of introduced in else world a little bit that world because you know where they shake hands and then you know Guggenheim on the on. The crisis aftermath special talked talked about how there would be a relationship to kinda replace. The you know the Stephen Mel Grant Gust in you know Oliver Queen Barry Allen Relationship and obviously I think this is it. I think this especially once if if what I think happens and everybody ends up on the same earth by the time of part five. Yeah Going forward you that they'll be able to see each other interact more often and so So the because essentially that's kind of like yeah the CW version of the Superman Batman relationship the world's finest relationship hip and Only this time obviously with a feminine. Twist and I'm okay with I'm perfectly okay with that all right and so there's some other things and now we need to get moving Just really quickly I'm GonNa hit the highlights you know like we had Constantine showing up again in so I was very happy about that being constant you know. Hey did constantly podcast back in the day so of course. I'm going to be geeked about that Heatwave they've babysitting Jonathan was awesome. I loved him reading the book. And I I love that continuing subplot that he's actually a romance. That's right writer. And people love him then even either this alternate earth version is. Yeah does that. Yeah I think it was pretty funny and go ahead and of course the big cliffhanger where we get to see at long last a live action version of the Anti Monitor sure. Yes so quick thoughts about that before we get into Quotes I was very happy with the way they did it because I think if they took it directly from the comics might have seen cheese. It works on the printed page but it might not have worked in live action so Israeli happy the way they did and just anything else from you about that. No I just. It was great to see and You know once again. They're they're rolling along telling great stories young. All right Jessi anecdotes about this episode So yeah couple go for it so The quick one. Yeah when Ray Palmer goes love your suit if you want. I could probably give it upgrade and cake visit how attached you are to your hand and Very Hummer's pretty attached and I would quote if I could. Yeah the whole Clark. Can't LEX Luthor Lois Lane. That's smallville scene is almost perfect but I just did. The End. Were ARACA grants. which is one of my favorite Lois? Lane's she is just amazing she is You know Hey was somebody here re talking talking to the cows again and car. That was lex luther from another earth. Apparently the multi versus ending and Lois ha ha smallville. You made a funny. It's taking you about a decade but you'll get the hang of it and Clark What the girls make a mess? You see they can't wait for you to see it. Oh that sounds like a job for for us and I just I. I'm not it is it is it is it is giving us because yeah we found out they had two girls. How great is that? Yeah and he never wanted to be superman you know he the blur he always wanted this and so you can see that you know he. He had a good life but he chose to go with the woman he loved and the raise kids on his his family farm in. That's just perfect. I'm still a little suspicious about whether we'll see him suit up and impart five with. I'm hoping so. I'm I'm hoping because you know you know with everybody blinking out of existence. I'm hoping that even though they gave Clark this ending. But I'm hoping we get a little bit more. I'm hoping that'll be a special surprise. Fingers crossed okay. All right I I have no knowledge at all. I'm just fingers crisscrossing on this. One of my favorite quotes Really quickly harbinger. where she saying? Come with me Mick Rory and I promise you'll have plenty of beards drink and stories to tell the multi-diverse needs saving and its heroes need a ship and heat wave replies. You had me beer. I love that. Yes cain Bruce Wayne where she says to Bruce well I'm not her her and Bruce says I'm an I'm not an old man held together with wire and metal and kate replies fine. You're a broken pissed old hermit waiting to die in this eleven eleven bedroom. Seven bath coffin. But apparently you're needed. I am giving you the chance to be a hero again and not just Gotham the whole damn universe. It was great and then of course. Kate's line lex Luther. Kind of a Dick Yes enjoyed that quite a bit nick. Any quotes you liked. No no I'm good. I'm all right all right I do have one more okay. Go ahead when Lois is trying to convince Clarke. You know that after he's been taken over and I'm just going to give the thing they would want the she talks about Perry and Jimmy Olsen and she goes they would want your memories of them to lift you up not drive you to darkness. That's the truth Clark. And the truth means everything to you. Remember who you are and I went cast. That's that's Superman. Dan and that. That's Louis Lane. Being to a different Clark can a different superman. What she is? I thought that was a really really great. Seen all all right so Nicholas Start with you. What you're waiting for this one? I'm going to give this also nine hundred ten on smoked cigarettes. Okay Oh nice because of constantly you said that that was a great line about the smoke break. No it's part of the thing is. I'm sorry I'm going to send a mentally. I have to go a ten out of ten Really you know wood chopping scenes. Okay yeah I I just I just thought this was as close the perfect as you can be all right well. Apparently I'm the odd man out on this one because this is actually my least favorite of the three episodes. Wow so I'm giving in an eight point five paragon detectors okay because I was a little disappointed. That we got Kevin Conroy. But we didn't get get him as a more traditional Batman. Feels like kind of a waste to me. I mean it was great. It was great to see him. But It was a little disappointing and it was also disappointing that get at least at this point in the game so I may have to revise my rating later on that. We didn't get to see Tom Welling. And in the suit okay fair enough so I. I would have been disappointed if we had gotten a traditional Batman man. I thought this was a nice twist to give us though Yeah so I mean I was expecting more of like the older Batman beyond Bruce Swayne right kind of Kevin Conroy voiced in Batman beyond the NFL. Yes so I would. I would have been happy with something like that but instead hey we got this. You know the broken down Murdering Bruce Wayne so a little bit of a disappointment for me. And that's just my opinion. I I don't I respect everybody else's view absolutely due to you too all right all right so moving on par three the ninth. The episode of the flashes sex sixth season car to believe that the flashes on six seasons already crisis an infant earth part three air the following day of course on on December tenth two thousand eighteen. Tell the play. by Laurence Sertow in sterling gates. Who is a great writer on supergirl? Who's been phenomenal on the flash? He's written some of the greater. funnier episodes like He's done a lot with elongated man and he's one of the flashes better writers at the moment tricked by David mcwhirter and Obviously big guest stars John. Wesley Shipp as the Earth. Ninety flash whom we last saw in the world's crossover and I was very glad that that wasn't the last time he got to see him in the suit. Because why are you gonNa make a suit like that. And then we have him in a couple of scenes absolutely so exact so thankfully got him back. And I was very happy that cress Williams got brought in as black lightning and in and if you notice if you watch the black lightning episode. It's almost like you know like one of those crisis crossovers from back in the in the original eighties. Where exactly where it was like a tie in issue you like it wasn't directly part of the story and it was it related to it and so really if you you didn't watch the black lightning episode? I really recommend going back and doing that absolutely absolutely so I want to just point that out One of the cool cameras I really enjoyed in addition obviously to John Wesley. SHIPP Ashley Scott. Back as the huntress on earth two. Oh three and not two thousand three. The year. That birds of prey was on on the air which only lasted for thirteen episodes? And we also got the voice of Dina Meyer as the voice of Oracle. So how cool was that and We got to see Stephen. Lobo is Jim Corrigan. The Specter although not quite the specter here Got a nice. Little flashback to Amanda pays as Tina McGee as we got to see some footage from the original flash TV show from back in the nineties so it was very eric cool to see that all clip again and of course one of the big the biggest and best cameo so far Tom Ellis as Lucifer Morningstar. Earning Star Yeah straight from the Lucifer series. This is someone that If they had not brought him in you would've love like you would have understood him not being there but how cool was it that they brought in Lucifer and of course he's on earth six six six and and if you see afterwards on twitter there's this whole thing where they're talking about he they wanted to keep it a secret he he you know He. He lied about being over there up in Canada for a friend's birthday party I you know you're too. You're too good good. Yeah deducing this It was really really cool to see him. the the the banter back and forth It just it obeyed me smile that they and you wonder there's whoever the creative people are are making decisions out of love love of the fans and stories not their pocketbooks because And I guess maybe because Warner Brothers is the big umbrella but you know these Sir all different networks and working this out and they're just like you know what had to be rea- yeah difficult. Yeah it was. Because he was a Fox show that ended up on net flicks. Yes and but it wasn't warner brothers productions so I'm sure that helped and and of of course Lucifer's owned by DC comics that helps but yeah you know. They're they get soap. For whatever. Reason brothers gets way too possessive especially especially the volving Batman out their characters and so. I'm hoping you know things events like these that I'm hoping in kind of make cracks in that that that Blah that wall that keeps the things from charing back and forth. North freely. Like marvel does so Several years this last I'm GonNa do name-dropping now apologized. It is yeah. This last Labor Day I met Chris Williams at Dragon Con and very wonderful guy. We had a great discussion It'd be a Nice Nice Guy Y'all really and then two or three years ago. All three leads from the birds of Prey Red Dragon Khan and I was able to talk to all of Tom Did a sketch of them. As civilians playing with action figures of each of their characters and all of them said we were just too soon. y'All a gift. This show had been like ten years later this we would still be doing that show and and I agree very well well to be fair the actors that play Dinah on birds of prey. She's still doing it because hey she's playing Allah sombat woman and right now. It's Rachel Scars Radiation. Yeah yes But I was so happy to hear diners. Voice of is able to see Ashley. Scott Scott it was just so cool that was I loved that show. I you know it was so much. Potential will end in a lot of fun. And and what about you what are you. What are your thoughts on the cameos? This time I was you know what as I remember Jesse sharing this story on Titan. Talk right before the three of us you know actually became friends and started doing this stuff together. I was listening. Thank you guys. I remember one particular episode. Jesse shared this anecdotes on the podcast. And when I saw you know the the cameo I thought to myself I have a feeling of being somewhere down in Texas. Mr Jesse Jackson is smiling to himself. Got It so so you you are On my mind that Jesse when that happens and I was actually know personally super happy for you because I remember when you shed and just the way you express that how much you love that show and how much that's and that's me that moments of meeting these these celebrities meant to you so I was personally very happy for you when I sold back so glad that they did that. You know as it. That's my man Jesse. You survey happy about that. Welcome and I saw the. I just absolutely love this an as you were saying chose yes. I think you know the concept the titans even when it came to reading comex. Yeah I would. I was the kids that would read over the titans as well and I think that the black lightning episodes is essential official. Right there with you. They're all here. Yes to appreciate the third episode. Because there's so much backstory that you know you actually see. The red skies is in the Free Linda's well and then you know black lightning disappearing and such. I'm a huge fan of the black lightning series so I was super happy actually invoked. It's I Lucifer I was like what is going on here they actually brew Lucifer in and so the band between Matt Ryan and Lucifer was incredible edible and I I absolutely loved it from start to finish resist amazing amazing stuff yeah. Obviously I'm a huge vertigo guy so so even though vertigo the DC closed the doors on Vertigo. This year It was. How great was it to see to vertigo characters? Here's interacting on live action TV for the very first time you know like we show like You know from different you know comics or whatever 'cause you know you had John Constantly Meeting Lucifer Morningstar and I have to wonder if Neil game was watching that because he's written for both characters I and Just it was so great and they're so natural because you know John being the help laser and this is for you know obviously being from come hell the devil so it it makes perfect sense to how these to interact and I know it was nice that the we gotta acknowledgement that well apparently elite Constantine Oedema debts or or sorry loose for old Constantina debt Because of something involving Mazza keen and and and I love Lucifer kind of jibing. Constantine about his name because there's some like a lot of British the people that feel that well Giancana needs to be called John. Constant is so So that was a nice little in joke for fans you know now. I just mentioned that Charles because apparently when he wrote. It's Alan Moore went on record saying it was pronounced. Constantine something might've been a hindrance. Maybe it could have been you know it could have been but but it's obviously been it was established on the NBC series. You know oh absolutely they. They went with Constantine. So that's how they said Constantine Myself Yeah I did too so so I was okay with it but You know obviously I think a lot of people feel differently so so I think that's maybe a little shoutout to to fans who kind of took issue with the way it's pronounced but absolutely yeah and of course you know hey we also got the specter thrown in so we actually Kinda got three supernatural characters in this one pretty cool pretty cool and we know how much big rove the specter plays in the comex prices and I wonder you know How Jordan ended up being a version of the specter? I wonder if that's what they're going to do with Oliver. I just I was just going to mention that you you. You're you're right ahead of me Jesse. He has always. Yeah Yeah I think I think because they obviously you know with they had Jim Corrigan Talk to Oliver. You know has been yeah brought back using this ritual and you know they go to Leeann utera bring his soul back or whatever and talk about that so so it'd be kind of a way A.. And if you think about it now that you mention it It kind of sets Stephen Miller up to be the big one of the big players because if he's the specter he's the one that's going to be duke it out with Anti Monitor if they follow the crisis comics and this it also allows him to to have a place in the verse if they keep that like if he decides to come back as You know the the specter you can have that. So Yeah I. That's what I and I don't think I don't don't think I'm a great detective thing. I think the message they wanted us to know about it. I think you're on the right track though. Yes they do. Give us SPEC expected TV series. I'm all for it because I love the character. And if the US stephen a male as the spectre no having green lantern as not will be on. Hbo Apparently when it comes out I'm all for a spectrum TV series. Yeah that was. That was one of the disappointments of constantly being cancelled cancelled so soon by NBC. Because they introduced Jim Corrigan and they exactly and they tease and become becoming the specter which I think we would have seen had the series on a little longer so that was kind of a little let down but You know spectres one of the characters he was co created by Jerry Siegel who you know the CO creator of Superman. So yeah so. He's a very legendary character. And you know it's so I'm always happy to see him when when he gets his do. Yeah definitely all right. This is the big thing. GotTa talk about this GonNa make time for this John. Wesley SHIPP Yes so knows how. I'm feeling about this so after you know black lightning it gets brought in In Oh any. He's horrified to find out that his family has been wiped out by the anti matter wave and he's the sole survivor driver. He still steps up and that was very cool to see that the black lightning in what they're doing he he's there to take cout the Anti Monitor's antimatter cannon. And Flash fans no anti-matter cannons are not good for flashes. No no and no and this episode is certainly proof of that. I'm just so black. Lightning does his best to take. Check it out but Obviously needs a little bit more to to stop threat. And this is the moment where grant Guston's flash the earth one flash Thinks that okay. Well this might be his time to disappear during the crisis and in this very powerful sequence whence You know grants ready to sacrifice himself. Only have John Wesley. Ships Earth Ninety flash crash temporarily still his speed And take his place stating that The Anti Monitor may have said said that it flashed dies and crisis but he didn't say which one and in that I did not i. I'm sure you have the exact pope the idea I don't don't have to quote unquote though. Yeah the your superpower is making others around you better. Yes you know and I think obviously obviously Arrow maybe the the Father Steven. Mlb Be the father of the you know the aero verses we caught but I think grant as berries the heart yes and and so thank you. This is an Indian. Have this John Wesley Shipp who his played Berry's father he's done other cameos but to give him jake areas character his his character such an ending and to go back and take that clip from the original TV. Show if you were worried you about not enough tears. When Clark and Lois or flying out you know sending their child all right trust me? There were tears in this part of in in you know for the cast I think. And all the people the sea and it it just was a hero's death and what a great it way to use him a just absolutely beautiful. Yeah this was. This was an exit. I know I want to get to nick here in a minute but I you know this is. This was something that I had considered a possibility going in that. You know I knew that the moment I you know. We got confirmation that John Wesley ship was going to be appearing in crisis. Where while witness be a great opportunity to have him be the one who sacrifices isis his life and And and that way obviously great guston's flash can continue as the flash So I I in the back of my mind. I'm always I was thinking this would happen. And then I'm watching this scene and this scene this moment of Barry Allen sacrificing himself to stop that and I'm anti matter cannon is something that I've thought about hard since the reading the crisis on infinite earths number eight where Barry Allen Dizon that comic and that scene has stuck with me and here I am all these years later and and Finally able to see that yes in live action and it was just so overwhelming for me to see and assiette the Amazon. Jo- done justice wonderfully it. You know. John Wesley ships nine thousand nine hundred flashes. Obviously I was a a huge fan of that show as nick was and so to see that moment into C- John Leslie ship ship Given that chance to sacrifice and so ended and they go out in such a huge way saving lies. Diverting that anti-matter wave. This is what I've been running through all these years I'm from flash to vanish in crisis. I'm like Oh it was great. Yeah it yes. It was just amazing and You know in the fact that you know that there was a kind of patch passing of the torch moment. Yes between the two East you felt that connection because we'd seen it that bond with John. Wesley ships with Gusto playing other characters in it really came through and I I was just I was blown away simply and absolutely what about you. I know you've got some thoughts on this. Well I come to. You must be like Charles. Shut up I wanNA talk about this. Never never you know I mean as I said you are just wonderful orator I tell you you could you give speeches like there's no tomorrow seriously but that said I also wanted to add. Let's talk about the fact that when he's doing any disappears we we get that straight concentrate from the comics moments but the Danny Healthman theme that then plays from the TV series. I was like Oh my Lord. Yeah it we're just they're they're they're bitter soundtrack to this event there and you know you mentioned this in a couple of minutes. Blake neely the composer. You better be making a soundtrack right. I want this now. They weaved all these iconic the musical themes in all three episodes at the appropriate times. Sometimes you know where whether it's Danny Alvin the Batman theme the John Williams. You know superman the Robert Walls. Yeah Yeah it just it. It was all there and it was just so beautiful. And it's much more powerful when you get to hear that you know that that heroes theme yeah using that theme seen You know to to give them their moment and obviously you know in a very powerful moment to get that theme it was. It's just raised that intensity. Even I totally agree nick anymore. Thoughts about this. Oh yes well. What was going to lose their ideas that people people have a Lotta traditions over the holidays? One of my traditions over the holidays is is watching the the flash TV the series over the holidays. That's what I do. Because it's a show that meant so much to me growing up one of the very few shows myself and my sister would watch together religiously as kids and that we wouldn't fight over the remote for over the flash and it just meant so much to both of us so into able. And that's and that's what I do. And it coincided with my tradition of watching the flash TV series seeing John. Wesley Shipp come back and and do this. And then that throwback to the tool between him and Tina McGee was just like I was so I was in such a happy place and it's just it. It was remarkable. And I love the fact that gave that slashes an incarnation a full circle story and it was beautiful evaded that because the nineties flex. Td Shoes was sadly Shoots and I feel. This was some way of sailing colleagues. No right was cut short before its time. Exactly -actly yeah. They way of saying you know we recognize this and we want to give you a full story. Let you run the whole race as it were so so. I absolutely adored that and just like with Stephen Males passing the torch on to his daughter. I love this father son son relationship between the two. Barry's and this passing the torch. And then when you get to see the flash symbol on the ground what was such a powerful awful scene it could. It would look great. You know even as like wool paper on my TV on my computer screen. Everyone see if I can find that and put it up there. Because this Gorges Ages hit the print screen print screen and I agree with you on the Soundtrack House. They somebody does this like on spotify or something coming. In all over. That sounds really does a love recently soundtracks for the various shows so. I'm really hoping that any did want for crisis on earth acts so I'm hoping that they do crisis on infinite earths to and You know we haven't talked about it but I thought Jefferson Pierce Black. Lightning held his own. I thought he really was enough. Like Sierra Vans Real ooh Dude and you know and then the iconic you know his macho. Where's the future right? Yes yes life. Is this shit set limit by any means necessary and he kept by any focused a focus. I thought that was really well done Because the idea that gave him a his character moment. Yeah because you know. He's lost his family. He's lost his world and once once again he's putting it behind him and trying to doing a hero bet so I thought that was really well not. I'm so glad that black black lightning was included in this and that they got the little you know spin off like if they showed the little high in it was perfect. Yeah exactly Zac all right anything any other quick thoughts about Parts one two and three now I was just GonNa ask one question to users you guys. What were you thought? So when it came into the concept that we might be getting the third incarnation at the atom with Ryan Choi. I'm all for it. I remembered that I like I like. Yeah Yeah and I thought this was a guy you know. He was really good Playing Kevin in supernatural So Oh I think this would be Kinda Nice. Yeah I'm really good. I thought it was nice that they did a little Easter Egg By name his daughter Simone in in honor of Gail Simone the writer Co Created Ryan Choi So Thought that was nice We can always do with an extra atom. I reckon well they're supposed to be if I remember reading cleric Brandon routh is is ending as Rape Palmer on legends of tomorrow. So so maybe this will be another passing the torch getting another actor so so might WanNa keep an eye on Ray Palmer yeah during crisis in when it comes back in January yeah just saying just That potential is they're they're setting the table it seems because for him to take over all right so johnny quotes Fair quotes Jesse. I do who I only have the one but I loved the they've actually done a couple of inside jokes like in the second episode. I think where White carry says. I promised my team they'd never have to do another crossover but on this one. A route digby goes holy. All Star Squadron. Hi How are you Ralph Pygmy log man ready to help Kick Butt and killer frost. Ignore him it's his first crossover which was by Mike quotes. I love that man. It was his. This is the actors first crossover. Yes he has been perfect as long. Day Ma'am Yes yes yes nicoting could he quotes I don't have any quotes but what I will say is I just hope that the bigwigs at Warner take notice of how things are done when you do you were good crossover than you bring characters together and hopefully we get something better competitive. The Ju Justice need that we got shall we say on innocent matic world. That's I'm going to say. Okay well if you want more of that topic nick and I talked about that on present darkness free plug there all right. Yeah so I got a couple more quotes in addition to that that eat great elongated man killer frost quote Mardo Vu. The Monitor after Earth. Thirty thirty seven gets a radical. He says another earth is gone and Lois Lane. Replies there's only seven left in the multi-diverse verse it's Ironic. I'm watching the biggest event in history. The destruction of every earth and no one will ever read the story gasoline. The point quote and of course I've got to end it with The earth ninety flash talking to Barry Allen just right before he dies keep writing the lightning son. I know you'll make us all proud. Nice dear to your absolutely tissues Still gets me Absolutely Nick. What's your rating? While I think once again you know this is a straight and another nine out of ten because I think the nine outside especially for the John Wesley Shipp Grant Guston moments for sure will not to mention of course seen Chris Williams who I loved this black lightning in our love them prison break as well. So I'm never gonNA give this. I nine hundred nine hundred ten no-doubt for on for sure all right and just see how about you so once again. I'm the easy one. I'm giving another another ten out of ten. I just love this one and I just And I'm giving it I'm not GonNa give it what I think you're going to give it it so I'm going to say ten out of ten fading player cards. Oh okay interesting thing choice. Yeah it's no surprise when I'm GonNa give this one is it I love this episode. Ten out of ten chart flash albums. That's that was my first choice. I said there's no way I'm taking that from Charles such like Nick said it was such a great shot. Got Power Powerful statement and John. Wesley SHIPP I salute you because you were episode and the staff for making this moment happen so absolutely you're giving doing it Giving it to its proper. Do so absolutely all right. If you find that still because I know that you will wonderful when you come to your background I am so stating that from you man. I'll find it if you want me to. You can still you can still if you want but It's out there. I know that all right Let's see I actually. We do have a really quick fan mail. Believe it or not Jesse. We got some finally got some Fan Mail so nice all right. Some readers checking in zone cast On the G mail David Kay proctor who writes to us on next everywhere quite often Is Writing in about watchman. So I thought I'd share goes quickly. You said it's very short. He says I'm playing catch up on the series on several episodes behind you. I didn't read the Comic Book Back in the day but but and I did see the movie and I guess I didn't get it. I do love comic books mostly. I'm a marvel man. You're helping me understand what's going on the show which I am addicted to already. I will put the watchmen comics in my next up pile in my library. Nice thanks for turning. Ernie me onto the show and podcasts from your other podcasts. Next stop everywhere enjoying hearing your voices. Thanks David Kay proctor. That is so if we got decay. proctor reading watchman for the very first time that's awesome right and all that that stuff that's high praise indeed that obviously obviously I'm sure the TV show help the little right but if you know if us talking talking about it and getting David involved because if knowing us from next up everywhere You know if that got him reading checking Alan. Moore's watchmen if that helped at least a little bit I think that's great so I just wanted to share that good all right thanks so thanks. Thanks for listening David. I hope you're listening to our crisis. Crossover special all right All right Obviously if you WANNA be like David proctor write to us at Phantom zone cast asked at gmail.com fan zone cast gmail.com. I know we're long something. They're trying to hurry through this Twitter at Phantom Zone cast on twitter twitter facebook the fan zone podcast and instagram at Phantom Zone. PODCAST and Jesse. Where can they reach you on the Internet so You can find me on twitter at Jesse Jackson DFW. I do a bunch of other podcasts. But we're we're reaching of an hour and a half so I'm just GonNa Skip Yup Yup Nick how about you. Well I'M GONNA try. Keep this as brief as possible. Is Charles Thank you. You mentioned that you know I do host the whisking skin cigarettes show. It's all by myself. No blame yourself along with it. I know you poignant's that that says all when it comes to me as Charles was saying I'm the host the whisky and cigarettes through country music. Radio show we play everything country from Alabama Zac Brown to find out what what about that you can go to our website. That's skiing cigarettes show dot com and we also host the happiness in doctors. Show the superhero movie. PODCAST for more information about that. You can find us on facebook book. That's facebook dot com slash happiness. This rate podcast. I really recommend it. I've been on it Charles. been on a couple of times. It's a great podcast. Definitely recommend to episodes of happiness in darkness there down that they're not my episode recommend to other ones now and you along the work all right really quickly because I know we're trying to rush this of course at Charles skaggs on twitter at skaggs on Instagram facebook Charles L. skaggs Ohio and check my blogging. Geeky things damn good coffee and hearts where I have talked about all our podcasts. Oh for itself gate media including the next stop everywhere the doctor who podcast that David Kay proctor was kind enough to mention. Please check those out because We have a lot of fund. If you like us here check those out next time next time on the fan zone as we wait for crisis parts four and five to air on January fourteenth twenty twenty with Arrow and legends of tomorrow in a two part two hour special Come back for watchmen. Episode Eight for episode. 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Episode 08  Comedians and Crisis

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Episode 08 Comedians and Crisis

"Do you like conversation. A variety of topics feel like no one gets tired of hearing the same typical sports catastrophe. Talk Yeah we feel that went to join to high functioning Geeks as they discuss just about anything under the Sun. We can't tell you what we'll be talking about each week because we don't know where rains will take us. It will be an interesting conversation. Though so hang on and join us here comes the relentless okay so now now we're really starting 'cause I just saw go two zero again and right here you. Let's try this okay. Yeah Fun how? You Doing Alan. Good what you were good until about ten to ten right like it's funny since we're only doing this once a week we really do have lots of other life. That happens besides this and I don't remember changing anything but it really is possible. That as of last Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday. I had to do something that was. I don't know hooking up another peripheral or something that just doesn't come to mind going to a different asset. That needs different settings and and so I keep thinking that I just left it exactly as it was. It's GONNA come back in a room and everything should be on the table. Just where I left it but I in the house and so people move things around like. Where's my right? And I know with all the different podcasts. Or Not podcast but all the meetings. I'm getting on with Zoom and Goto meeting and this that and the other thing. Sometimes I use my mic on the headphone. Sometimes they use this Mike. So there's so many things that changed and now that I think of it like I belong to a deep thoughts discussion group on Wednesday nights and it's also in zooms. Why figure that everything's is going to be the same? But if there's anything about how they have it configured that affects what I then us then caster for joining in. It's like sometimes and I don't like the idea of this. I keep thinking that how you have set. Your machine stays. But sometimes they give people the ability to alter others settings like we do. Muting and unbuilding microphones and if has the ability to say. Wow you're Saudi echoing. I'm going to do something and that's I don't think in fact my sound settings anyway. I hear they're invading. My sovereignty. Stephen Machine is not my own Dhabi. Feed all right. So let's see what we want to talk about this week. He had a bunch of good brains equally headed. Where do you WANNA start? You mentioned a few things I had a couple of things. Let's if you like do it. Because it's relatively firm in my mind. My wife just had a birthday lean. I was passed that along. We and it's you know it's funny. We've gotten really good at doing birthdays where we take the day off for each other's birthday and we like play Hooky and go do things and it's very in the past has been very cool to be like. Hey worth a museum and nobody else's here or at the zoo or just taking a hike and stuff and nowadays. That isn't necessarily the benefit you get. Nobody there anyway in a lot of even open so instead of going to play mini. Golf or something. We went for a nice walk. We the Cleveland Metro Parks System. Just put out the. Oh Top thirty-one hikes based on I Guess Walker voting and maybe some Rangers and stuff like that and so we just. We'd like list as we said. Let's go to those thirty one hikes. Take us all over the Emerald Necklace. Which is the nice name. They give the the system of parks and reservations. That are all around Cleveland. And we picked like eight La three to five mile one or something like that and so we we went and had a nice time together and As you might imagine we were to twenty percent of the people on the trail. Were wearing masks. And I know that we're outside. I know that the Oh the opportunity because of air flow and so forth is low but nonetheless when you're on a small path and you have to pass by each other and and people aren't wearing of asking Jerry. I just wanted this to be easy. And non nerve wracking out in nature and instead you get the GB's because you're huffing. And puffing a little bit more there was elevation gain and loss. We went to the Brecksville reservation and a thing called I think Copper Creek Gorge and as you might imagine near a gorge you have to get up to the top of it to look into it or down to the bottom to be near the water and so people are just kind of going to a chorale concert singing and spewing more droplets Who just hope that out of all the Times that we've been very very careful and even here with our own mask then you get home. It's like well probably should pop in the shower and clean this masks. Burn it because oh well so well. I saw the other day that it's confirmed that squirrels have caught the corona virus plague as well and the often had like mice have Hanta virus down in the South West and stuff so we have to hope that they don't jump. You know one of the biggest things that we've seen in the last twenty thirty years. Is that weird ability of flu and things to jump from animals ovulations at used to you kind of couldn't get hope and mouth disease. You could get rabies. But the the barriers. The lines between station of diseases are kind of blurring. And that's not this one came from bats. I don't know that I have baths roaming around my neighborhood and flying into my house. But that's that's up here near Laker he. That's not the case down. Now we've got hats here so there it is. Yeah so besides the doom and gloom stuff what you get her. What was she happy? Yeah the colleen and of course. We found each other. You know one of the joys of being a Geeky is that you find other Geek. Sometimes and she doesn't have the same a- Geek express the expressions that I do so she's not necessarily as much into the science fiction of the kind books but to me Geeks. Isn't those things it's like having that unbridled enthusiasm for the things that you're into you know I think it's cool Simon pegg definition if I remember right and so she's always liked. The Laura Ingalls Wilder Little House on the prairie books. And she actually. She knows a ton about it. One day she'll give a little extra and all the other people that grew up those books and have them as their heroes. She'll she'll delight the room with how much he's come to know about that We actually on a couple of driving vacations. You know we make a point of including. Let's go to call natural feature. Let's go to this fund illiterate Hayward Mark Twain. Live that stuff. Well we've actually been to like the house where Laura Ingalls Wilder wrote many of the Little House on the on and into some of the cities that were featured like. There's no reason to go to dismiss Minister Minnesota. No it's North Carolina door no normalcy Dakota except that has got a relation to the little prairie so in the in the same way that I have enthusiasms for certain authors types. She does and every year I try to find. Is there anything new about Laura Ingalls Wilder? You would think that you know. She was writing one hundred years ago and actually died in Nineteen fifty-nine which boggles my mind. That she was around that long right. There really seems to be some love and appreciation and scholarship. That's going on and so I just got her The latest one where someone collected a whole bunch of here are postcards and letters in your personal effects if you will that. She exchanged within her family or with other people and they collected a bunch of them together and she just drinks that end. She loves the going back Zozo high near times and stuff and she's also big into Kurt von against occasionally. I've found a book where all right they mind. The Kurt vonnegut world a little bit more and found some miscellaneous you know he really has so far as I know published all of his long and short stories but they keep on finding interesting things. So that's what I try to get. Her is those little things that you don't you don't see them on big best sadly ordinary airy much to her taste you know what I mean. we got to renew so we still actually do listen to Stereos have come a long way and nowadays. It's not a boombox it really is. You can play CDs which also of course attached to the net and so I have a vast music library. She can tap into that But we had just talked about Some of the music that you put on when you are Ono too much doom and gloom. What's going to make it better? How some Weirdo Yankovic? Which we've talked about. We both love in. He has a great birthday song. That played all my kids on there. There you go. Have you brought actually so I found? It's kind of funny. I have all of the weird Al Yankovic but she also doesn't only even though she's most of the time in the house nowadays because of our coronavirus situation. She's often on the road. You know what she does is a relationship manager for big retirement plans and so she likes to listen to CDs in the car and so I have. I got some weird Al Yankovic CD. So she'd have the portable version and I don't know to kick it up for a minute. Gave made it. So you really can have music everywhere but if you haven't pre sought of what you might want to listen to and then download it while you have not wi fi but crappy signal. It's amazing how quickly that eats up your data on your different phone plants. So funny you don't need any of that if you have a CD that you can just pop in the swatting we talked about you know having the actual cd that's crazy exactly so. I got her some weird Yankee CDs and that when she talked about what kinds of things she likes from him. I got like the POLKA party. One the dare to be stupid. Which is an older one but has a whole bunch of really good songs on it and stuff like that Also we really like an author. Bill Bryson. I'm not sure if we've talked about him before he became known for doing Tourism books and part of the interesting take he had on it was he was wondering around the United States as a British lawyer. An English person going not like we know all about the United States with more like waterfowl looking at this place with new eyes and kind of like some of the quirkiness. The weirdness of that Americans all take for granted. But you know it's not everybody has different names for pop versus soda versus Coke in their own country. And he's very good about commenting on that. So we've we A you know. I'm trying to think like visit to a small island or no. I'm here from a small and I wish I boy being weird today about having exact titles but not only has he written travel books. But he's one of these authors. That really is great at applying that same. Maybe let's call it a technique of looking at a particular topic a body of knowledge and being able to present it in a very Simple but deep way all at the same time so I got one. I got a couple books from him for her. One called the body. That's pretty much says here's how your body works and you know not only the anatomy way and not in the you know. Where's the solway way the mystic way but just kind of walk through another one called at home where it's like? Y Our houses as they are. How did we just a pretty standard saying every place has a kitchen and a bathroom and bedroom and maybe a living space and we used to have powers but now we don't and why is that and you and I mean he's really good at taking a investigatory stance on it and a historic stance and an amused stance. And so I got her a couple of things like that and and one of the joys of having someone who loves to read is that there's an unending number of books but when you find just the right one that's just to their taste or like. Oh I love this guy but I didn't know this one was out there got an early say so so that kind of stuff and as usually have a little Europe while your gifts up and you put them on our one coffee table and you take your time opening on and also and this is the final big thing. We've gotten a fun thing we she. She dresses beautifully. And I'm more of a casual guy but we've discovered that we both like have everybody again. The geeky world likes t shirts. Say something on them and I tend to avoid the more like. I don't want to swear in public so actually good. It's wearing in public but I don't want my t shirt to do that for me. I want to choose the context and the people that I'm talking to as to whether I'm going to say that having having said that that does not sound to Ridley moralistic. We really like if you're going to back team like she always wears when she goes to her conferences often something that has a cleveland. Pace's she's proud to be from Cleveland announces that but there's also all kinds of as you might imagine aaa Aa Single. A ball club. That have the most amusing teams in world and so banana slugs and zippers. And whatever else might be and she was driving one time where she heard a radio. Announcer doing a ballgame and it was the most productive rumble pony of tonight has been you know Bill Bronson and it's like rumble ponies. Wanted Great team name another thing that we're really good at is you listen to what they're saying and you make a little mental note of like. She was really amused by that. And it's only on her birthday July. If I remember this she's going to be just so tickled that I picked this one little or out of conversation. So what I what I tend to do is get the things right away because I'll forget about them and then totally forget about them. We have pulled so many gifts out the closet. I've given birthday gifts. We dash place or something. Hope that you'll remember to go to the stash patients. Oh yes you'll really like this. Thank God I found it again right. Oh Hey this was like five years ago well. Her birthday's in three months. I'll give it to her then exactly so I got a rumble. Ponies awhile back in this case it was the yard goats how they're from Hartford and and it just. They have a phone logo where it's like a goat chewing on a baseball bath. You know that guys up and and not only got her the t shirt. I actually got her. What they had on other website was a mystery box. Were you not only t shirt you got like some trading cards of like double a ball players who you've never heard of before and a little plush toy doggie wear yard goats little shirt so it's just silly and yet that's part of what being ever fund is never losing a childlike silliness. You know what I can take the baseball cards and put them in the spokes of your bike. Even exactly and and actually these are like fancy catered they're all laminated and they're like meant to be lasted and stuff. So it's like I guess if it really maybe maybe lightning will strike that without us knowing it. You know Jim Johnson has suddenly. He moves his way up through Aa to triple eight to the show and sudden. Wow I got an original of this guy before anybody knew that he was going to bat. Six hundred and then you can. You can take that you can sell the card. Take the money and invest it by so very bad day two days ago in the market but I have doubled the market. Why have I have my initial investments from January of last year? I more than doubled a castle. Can't believe not to be bragging but it's amazing if you're just making more than you know any of the indices. Snp Nasdaq and stuff like that. You're making a percent or twenty or thirty. Three or like Nasdaq is have a very good run late. Because everybody's into tack fleeing other things and and nonetheless I picked just the ones that everybody wants to run into this and so so it's really helping you know when we think of security and and getting ready for retirement it's really nice to have your investments doing well so that's kind of fun to jump back on topics real quick. You mentioned Laura Ingalls Wilder. I used to love those books. I read all of them in their great books. But I've heard that they have this award. The Laura Ingalls Writers Award or story award or something like that and they were thinking of changing the name and dropping it from her because she wrote about Native Americans. Not Very highly and things like that. And it's like well hold on again. This is history. This was the time period and to ignore that and to pretended didn't exist or even condemn her as a writer for writing that way. I think we're missing kind of the point. We're getting a little too overboard on things. People need to soften up a little bit. I I really do agree it. It seems like an incredible overreaction. Yes lie modern sensibilities to everything going back in time and instead of trying to understand why that was way back then and that we've grown since then you know what I mean we really have become more civilized more accepting of difference and so forth but to try to eradicate it or to try to make it that they were bad back then so and unfortunately who are the victims of that. It's Laura Ingalls Wilder. It's Mark Twain. It's Mel Brooks. I just did up post on facebook. Because we've been trying to watch more stuff in order to keep our spirits up as the as the coronavirus lingers and so we just watch blazing saddles and holds up. Really really well. It's an hilarious movie and yet boy it really does make fun of all different kinds of stereotypes but the and maybe this is. I always think about is. It isn't the presence of the thing. It's the thing is treated there's always contacts and so someone commented and I already thought this you know if you look at everybody in that movie that that really is the harshest about the use of those terrible words. They're the biggest jerks in the movie. They're not the admirable ones. They're the idiots they're also it. Isn't that Mel Brooks was saying. Hey everybody learned to use these stereotypes and stuff. He was pretty much saying. And that's you know forty fifty years ago even back then when you were jerks you can. I heard some authors saying that they've written a book and they have characters in it that are racist or characters that are not nice to women and things like that and then they get completely slammed for people just calling him all sorts of names and demanding. The book be taken off. The shelves. Rewritten is like well. Hold on. Look what they're writing. There are people in the world like that and they're including that Kerry. That's saying they approve of it. That's not saying that's how they think it's a character. Look at that that. That's great that you're upset about it. But it's a character representing what some people in the real world are like. I don't think we're losing discernment you know what I mean. They don't get any appearances. Not like for instance and This is kind of a dilemma to me. So if you put a character in a book or movie that uses Patois you know sounding like people of that country. Then you're you're it's as if you're being. You're stereotyping them. And as if you're making fun of them but you're not you're actually audit adding authenticity and far more inauthentic or far more rude to me would be oh. Everybody speaks the Queen's English no matter what country they're from no matter what time period there from and like wow. That's cultural imperialism. Isn't it if you act? If nobody spoke with an accent nobody had. There was no such thing as pidgin English or any of the other dialect tease. It's part of what you commit to as an author creating place you know that you can transport the reader to a certain time and well. They don't all talk modern. They Talk Right. They might talk at the time and we know enough about how they spoke that you can include old words and old ways of speaking. I don't know that. That is an overreaction in just it would be like Just recently they had a little women remade the movie and in today's world and I could see the executive going. Okay okay. This looks like a great movie but we really can't have all four of the sisters be white. We need to have different races on minute. That kind of changes things in jarring difference. Yeah now am I all four the maybe native American version of little women or the. Hey I think that would be wonderful. I mean you remember clear back in the day. The wizard of Oz Michael Jackson and What's her name did the exactly? What's her name Diana? Ross maybe yes. Okay so yeah so. I think that's great but that doesn't mean everything has to be okay. This has to be an all black. Cast has to be an all Asian cast. This has to be in all our ESKIMO PENGUIN CAST love not. Yeah this is such like an interesting tricky issue. They had you know my experience so to go to the other end of the spectrum once in a while you not only have that things are unacceptable. They're actually censored that they try to make those things like ceased to exist and I have met zero sensors. That are not exactly the people that you shouldn't have doing it. You and I mean people that are like volunteering to be the sensor. They often have such an agenda. Such a closed mind as to how the world is that it. You really shouldn't give any of those people that job and so there's all kinds of things going on in the world nowadays about how you're not allowed to say into certain things and and I guess in into to be Geeky on for minute know logical fallacy wise. There's a thing called dichotomies thinking where it's one zero. It's yes or no it's just either end of the spectrum and I wouldn't. The world is like that very little. Almost everything is complex and messy and whole spectrum of various different things. And so like when you do think of all the ways of that realize in the world that have made worse mandatory sentencing where you know you either get zero or thirty years like extenuating circumstances. What about everything? That goes into a sense of appropriate justice when somebody has done something wrong. It isn't an well boy that's again we. We have so many topics. That's another six podcast right to have the people that are about that like nowadays term. I've heard is canceled culture. That if he does something wrong there like they must cease to exist and I find it real hard say well so this guy might have made a mistake and it might even be a big mistake. They've also contributed to the world in a big way. And so I'm still watching Woody Allen movies I think that some of the things. He's done a really deplorable really terrible and yet to separate the artist from that you have to you. I don't want say that he doesn't exist anymore. And I'm not a champion for but I think that's happened to Bill Cosby or Louis C. K. And we can start to name to people that they really did. Hilarious funny heartfelt human albums before found out that bill cosby also really had a problem with drugging people. I again no support but but I don't think and I guess now it isn't even that they wait for them to have a body of work and you have a comparison. People make one mistake and they're immediately like Lynch. And why are you you Kinda right? I don't know anybody who cast the first stone. That is so perfect that they should to one worse is a lot of times. Some things are taken out of context that they'll take one thing you know if if just as an example. I don't think this has happened. But it's the type of thinking is somebody does a Broadway play or even a local musical theater play just in your local community and their plane. Maybe a racist Bigot Archie bunker or something like that. They're playing that part and and thirty forty years later they become a super huge actor superstar but somebody from that community. It's mad at them and praise up the recording from this old play and says look listen to what they're saying and they played the line and then suddenly everyone's jumping on the bandwagon crews find this person ruining their life but it was clearly taken our context without the full story. Part of the problem. Is People just jump on the bandwagon without understanding? There's a safe auto commercial about auto insurance for the rest of us and all these people yelling protesting a one guy goes. Hey what's this about in here? I don't know something about auto insurance and they're just joining protesting right funny. Show that that kind of rabid going through the crowd type thing you know and so you know and and so it's kind of funny because things are messy and complex. What also makes me sad. However is there are some people that you you really want them to be The characters that they played that they've been in heroic roles or whatever else it might be and then once in a while the mask slips and they reveal themselves maybe they really are a bad guy you want. I mean if you find that it's not a single thing but it's a pattern of bad behavior. I find it. I don't know I don't want to give any more money to bill cosby. I don't WanNa give any more money to Mel Gibson. I don't WanNa there are some people that have. They've just been so bad that I I kind of what with my vote with my attention and and I don't know and every hazard different things that they think are bad and so it's not that my sensibilities have to be anybody else's but when you see a video of someone got drunk. And in Vino Veritas. Right you know that they told the truth for once instead of being very guarded and then they go off on this misogynistic or racist or whatever ranted. It's like oh I just don't WanNa think you have that in. You don't WanNa think you really like that and yet there. It is one of them that I kind of get behind is II Johnny Depp. And the problems. He's had because his act now ex wife came out. Oh my God he beats me he does this and all sorts of things and everybody's like condemning him in criticizing. Minana on the second wasn't Tim. It really was her. She's completely lying right. I'm behind that because I had that problem when I was going through my divorce so I can get behind that. But that's the issue people just jump on without the whole story. Yeah boy social media like it so much it's that don't you want to like know both sides of the story. Don't you research snow most people don't they're happy to read the sensation realistic headline? They're happy like you said to be part of the crowd. That's just you know kit. The actors and torches out immediately and I I try not to my opinion I think a lot of those people do it because they feel so horrible in their own lives. They they don't. They're on my life sucks. I go to work. I have bills I come home. I just my life is terrible blah blah blah. So I'll make myself feel better by someone else down going on crusade or simply act up. That might be you know so you. You're you know we kind of danced around the subject but you mentioned though cosby couple are funny guys. what are you guys are listening to a lot? What are you listening to? What do you go? I know because you like to go to comedy clubs and stuff that really our favorite night out. You know what I mean. Stand up comedy or improper things like that. It's just it's I love seeing people that are that witty and that sharp smart quick that they write good material that they're very good at you know handling hecklers. Whatever else might be an overall thing? I think you hear more truth told in like an hour and a half a standup comedy. Then you hear all this been doctored statements from politicians and businessmen and stuff like that and so we. We have a great comedy club. Here in Cleveland Call Hilarity. The owner is very good at getting all the good guys in. And that's that one of the things. We have absolutely missed the most while. We've been in lockdown is. You can't go to accommodate club that are automatically like Eah Krems many people there as you. Can you make sure they have a two drink minimum? And it's a guy with a Mike that is you know everybody's kind of breathing on each other but having said that we have such a some of our best times the Khalid and I have ever had together is going to accommodate club and seeing like Bill Burr or Jimmy Choux Hanson. Or some people. We've Lost Sean Peanut or Richard Jenny and for that hour hour and a half that they just there. It's just wonderful to have a good belly. Laugh it's wonderful to be surprised. You know what I mean. That's so much. What comedy is is kind of that tension and release? They set something up a scoring a certain way than they surprise you. there really are a to to. Kinda ducktail to what we were talking about. There's great insult comics. You know what I mean. Even there's there's comics there's like I don't know that I should be hearing this combination comfortable. Sometimes exactly a lot of comics described their work. Is they see that. There's a line somewhere and they're gonNA help you step across that just a little bit. Maybe a Wok. Because something to be found in being more accepting of humanity has all kinds of good and bad to it. There really are all kinds of good and bad fosters good and bad actions but there's humor to be found in anything and so this isn't meant to be crazy but every time that you hear someone get challenged well tell me a rape joke. Toby Holocaust joke. And it's like good Lord. Those are just the most touchy horrible subjects in the world and yet I've seen skilled comics. Tell those things and you laugh. Because it's they really are good at pointing out that even in that there's humanity and their surprise and there's you laugh at the people that think it isn't funny or you know what I mean or is only funny or that. It's not funny at all and kind of laugh at the extremes that people take on so many comedy. Comedy and Scifi are two of the art forms that can do modern politics or religion or some other newsworthy. Thing and get away with it. You can approach the Old Star Trek episode with the guys that were half white half black but it was like reversed and they were enemies. There's the racial problem right there but it got on TV at the time because it was Saifi and oh that's different in comedy. Does that same line times in fact. So we've we've seen many. We've seen hundreds of different stand-up comics. We've been wonderful comedy festivals in Toronto and Montreal in Boston and stuff like that and one of the things. You'll see that there's regional variations. You know like sometimes you. Don't get all the jokes because you're not aware of particular Canadian issues if you will or something like that but one of the most fun things as we love seeing Which we've never seen before and it's a little bit. Maybe like catch as catch can. They're not always great but when they're great it's just so much like I got okay so now we've seen him in Toronto. Let's see we can get HIM TO COME TO CLEVELAND? I'm going to every time that you fill out one of those little forms as to get free tickets to say who else would you like to see here? And so of course. It's not really true but we like to think that because from the start we said get Tommy John. Again and then eventually shows up. It's like are nagging campaign finely-worked Tommy John Again so we've had then and I don't know there's something about this social media world. Is You kinda like to be an early and be able to say. Hey you've never heard of this guy but believe me he's really good. Used seek him out. I love that thing of. Here's of movie a book a TV show that it isn't that popular but it's got some real cool worke good thing to it and even if it's not super popular that also means it's not lowest common denominator. It means it's interesting and I love that when we find a comedian that I can just say you know. You're not going to be prepared for what he does. We still love emo Philips. He's been doing things for a long time there comedian. He's really got you know. He seems so uncomfortable onstage. But he it's all the enact it's a character he plays Bobcat Goldthwait used to be the same way. It's like you count like nervous movies. And he's a great director. We've seen a couple of shakes the clown of traffic. What else. He's done that. Like when you find out. He directed his like well. That's a whole nother skill. I didn't know that the had cool is that and so we've mentioned bill cosby earlier and he. That particular situation really makes me sad. Because I've always loved Bill Cosby's comedy me and one of my friends used to just lay in his room on the floor listening to Bill Cosby and laugh and our lives their hair and to Russell my brother whom I slept with and wonderfulness on that was first albums than I ever specifically collected an artist. I would go to the record stores and say. Is there any bill cosby that? I don't have yet right and and I love that story of Comedy Not a lot of COMEDIANS. Do the one liners one after the other one. Afc there and that's got its place in there. Some really good ones. But I've always loved that story where the whole story comes out in every piece of it. There's a climax of comedy at points them. I've discovered that similar is Stuart McClean. You know him I know him for this name McCain if you like bill cosby up. Stuart McLean You A RT. He's Canadian and he did a radio. Show very much like garrison. Keeler where had artists and some stories but the highlight of the show was he told a story of these characters he created but it was always a like mishap day in the life of story. Okay and there are tons of these out there. You can look for him. He is fantastic. Me and the kids listened to like forty hours of him once on our one vacation just in the car laughing. Our butts off the kids still reference it. Those one about pollyannas Christmas party and we listen to that on the Wednesday night before Thanksgiving because it kicks off our holiday season a ritual. It is hilarious quote it all year long. We'll say things like family language. Those little references. Exactly that's cool. You should look him up. He's he's got some good stuff out there. It's another not only. I love getting those references of like. Check him out. I love when somebody gives me something. It's like you just said there's forty hours is like how am I never heard this guy? He doesn't have like one album out. He's got TV shows forty albums. Whatever also I love not only now I have something to look into but I have like a whole mind that I can start digging into when a friend told me about the prayer books by John. Sanford and I never read a single one of them. And there's like I think thirty and it's just what you try one in their goods like. Oh you're giving me such a gift. Now I get to go to the used bookstores and I get hit Amazon and I get to like I want to read them in order so I have to do treasure hunt but it's such a a cool thing like how am I not heard Kalina night. Whenever we read a word we play scrabble. We have extensive vocabulary is like probably so when I've taken test I really have. Besides maybe like medical and legal where they're very specific. I really have a huge vocabulary so then when you find a new word it's like how did I make sixty never have heard before as like it's not a Dr seuss word. We think somebody made it up. It's just I never in all my reading and all my conversation didn't bump into this. It's a gift it's cool thing well. This is magically appeared. And I think we've laughed about this before that word that you've never heard of before. Then you hear it like three times in four days universe reinforces it for you. Remember this yeah and I still check out the word of the day every now and then we'll get along station plot my phone okay. Here's a word for everybody. Exactly the MENSA QUEST TRIVIA TRIVIA. Question that leave. Come up exactly. I know there's whole calendars of like old time language that we've let go away. But then he'll and or Shakespearean insult generator type things pop J. You know that God is the Aqap community that I would recommend that does the storytelling that you just mentioned. Mike Bre big. Leah is really good at that. It isn't like set up and punchline. It's very good the stories of the citizens that he's found in his and there's a little bit of absurdity a little bit of self-deprecation but they're so engaging he's really good at spinning tail. Exactly I actually have heard that quite a while of slipped. You'll revisit your out and he's also done a couple of movies now that it's not about him be plays a character but good stuff good stuff. So that's on my list so we got something new. Got Something besides the whole standup thing. Because we can't be doing while this is going on boy. There's so many good. We just watched the monty python documentary called Monty Python almost the truth and it was by a guy that you just know was so much fan that he was able to gain their confidence in all the surviving pythons. Graham Chapman is dead but all the other five were around and they gave such wonderful interviews and they talked about the old days in the by play between the various different writing teams. And they talked about you. Know How they got from Holy Grail to life of Brian to meaning of life and the first different movies and just I. It was really fun to see any Monty Python. Again they're one of those really stood the test of time. They're still so witty. And so funny and just high-quality throughout you know in a half an hour show. You Got Thirty thirty five minutes of laughter. China time what we were talking about earlier. It's not insulting other people. It's not specifically picking on this or that race or anything like that in it's hilarious exactly or variance. It's a fact someone who's who's making that that derogatory statement. It's like he's he's the worst jerk in the seen. He's not one that you admire. You know that kind of writing. So right yeah we. We're both going to say go ahead. You go so at their and one of the joys. Obviously having Netflix Amazon prime and so forth there so much out there so we just recently. We re watched airplane we reward. You know a couple of things that we have left before. It's like the first airplane I had actually seen. So there's a writing team of like Zuqar Abraham's and Zuqar. That did that movie. And they went on to do police squad and various other things. But they don't even older things like Kentucky Fried movie and I think also groove to if I remember right and they're they're much they're much raw or they're much ruder. But they're still hilarious and so if you seek those out you'll be able to see where they got that comic sensibility. And they're like they just so many jokes on the screen. They're going to make you laugh. Somehow you know what I mean. It's pilots visual stuff. It's insect whatever else it might be There's what would be called tunnel vision that I know I saw in college. That was along those same lines as Groove Tube in Kentucky Fried Movie. That's not a one single plotline as a series of sketches but hilarious and that's one of the ones that's been in my unknown availability Q. Netflix's for probably twenty years. Somebody hasn't but who knows what right rights battle there is going on. No one knows someone. There's some problem with putting it back out. Maybe there's performances by early stars that saying Oh I hate that work Jerry. Lewis has a couple movies that he's taken off the market because he doesn't like how they turned out get might be something like that but when I finally see Tunnel Vision. I hope that it will be. It is as funny as I thought it wasn't college or really might be. Oh boy I was in college. I must've been different different me back. Then you know so. I mean you mentioned that Netflix. Another thing we've talked about is catching up on shows watching shows. It's so everything keeps changing and I think the kids realize but I remember twenty years ago or so fifteen when Netflix was young. Start now the DVD's was the thing and we still get DVD's because like ninety eight percent of anything that's ever been out there is on DVD on Netflix. You can rent it saying going to the library. If you have a really good library system like I know you do you do up. Cuyahoga County. You can get just about anything that's been on. Dvd and Net flicks when they came out the streaming had just everything. It was Netflix and Hulu came in with like more recent. Tv shows then everything went to Netflix's eventually and great. Everyone got rid of cable. And we've got an LEX now. Netflix's really has their own stuff and not quite as much of the other stuff from all the various different media combine. Said you know. We need to work on our own collections and especially have exclusive. Because that's the only way that we're going to beat somebody like Netflix's seems to have everything is we're going to. Have you know Disney has all of the marvel collection you know a HBO? Max Has Game of thrones. There's various different warner more existing order exactly. I'll order with his library and it used to be that it wasn't all those walled gardens for the various different sets of things and so I personally hate it. I don't WanNA subscribe to six different services. I really want one or two ominous services to infinity's that I can choose from so right now. I have Netflix and Amazon prime and I'm just so resistant to even if Adema seems very reasonable five bucks a month for all the other content. Some kind of a Patina. Those means it's fifty and I'm back up to a big cable bill. I cut the cord specifically to not pay all that money to and not to be weird. I'm trying to watch less. Tv NOT MORE USA. Some part of like get up. Go take a walk. Read a book. Don't it's that maneuvering that's going on for all the negotiation of their creating original content? They're buying old stuff and then like BBC. There was all available on Netflix. That often had its own thing. So yes my doctor who I y Monty Python all my other. Hbo Max there. Eventually they start to say well. We don't have an absolute exclusive. We'll have an alliance and then you need a scorecard so one of the joys Roku is really good about you can look for anything and will actually you through the various different services and say it's available for free if you're a WHO plus customer? It's available for three hundred nine for viewing. If you're on your mean they'll really so you we would be It's nice to know that it's all available out there and it's just okay. If I did that a lot and I started to see which is the one that always seems I can get it for the least expensive or it's always available. That's the services that I'm going to go with right. We'll see and so like we were talking to net flicks all the cw shows with all the DC characters in that and you just saw a great. Oh Yeah I'll come back to that and But netflix's does get those shows so you can watch all that stuff on net flakes but like a season later rights except for now bat woman is only on. Hbo Max Not on that Flags Bat woman you gotTa do. Hbo AND THEY DO Have Dr. Who Plus they're getting all the other DC stuff like doom patrol and titans in that. If you're a guy I really do want to be seeing doom patrol and titans and and bat women and stuff and they're not all on Netflix's exactly so plus. Hbo Max now has their own Show for the watchmen and you can only get it on Max. So there's a tempting there but then you get like a CBS. Cbs doesn't have their shows everywhere. They want you to get the all access but what really pisses me off about CBS. All access is when you have it. You're paying for it. They still don't give you all seasons of all shows the sometimes the most recent and it's like really. What's the point like Big Bang theory? You couldn't get all the seasons but that is now on. Hbo Max Goofed. I think I defeat a lot of that by being kind of omnivorous by that meaning. There's no show that I need to see that particular show is so much that I'm going to buy an entire service just to be able to get it. I can kind of outweight them and then difficulty is you know. When game of thrones I would indeed wait for the DVD's to come out. And I'd watch him but then if it's a year later spoilers at you already know you already know because every talk about what's going to happen and and I just kind of accepted that's my fate is. There's no way that I'm going to be able to seal myself off from the world to not know what happened. At the end of game of thrones eighty year between it. Era is seeing it. You know an interesting thing about that and I'll push this all the time just about everything on DVD. You can get through most library systems. Where I'm at I can go the Cuyahoga and they have lots of stuff and McCain Ravenna. Library has stuff so there's not too many shows or movies that I couldn't run out of the library if I really wanted and I I'll push that anyone listening. Go to your library. I do not think anywhere near enough advantage of that my library. It literally is a block and a half away. I can book into the into the return slot from where I live. That you'd better record it because I really wanted to see it but the interesting thing I heard recently was From a trusted person that was in the advertising business and was talking to an. Hbo EXAC So this is a personal account. And he was questioning them about why they don't release game of thrones specifically to DVD. As soon as other people are releasing their shows. That game of thrones is like a year behind on DVD and and this editor their thing and people are asking for it. Why don't you have? He's because he's like? Oh and this guy said because what you do is all these people want the. Dvd's instead they go and pirate it they get it illegally somehow and you know if you came out the DVD. You'd stop that he goes. No actually what we have found is if we wait longer in all those people that go in pirate start talking about it we actually sell more. Dvd's exactly okay. That was like Whoa. They're actually kind of on the sly using pirating for their benefit and actually helps them so they used to talk about. That often went back when music was first being pirated. You know what I mean. There was I different Ways of getting thing not nowadays we have spotify and and apple and various different services at seemed to have anything ever anyway but back then it was you kind of did it on the sly and what they did from. Studies was most of the time not most time enough of the time people downloaded music. Single tracks fell in love with it enough that then they'd go and buy the CD and whatever that number numbers were that it was. Actually you should look at pirating theft. It's like lost leader. You sell something for a low cost meeting free but then you actually do get a sale out of it because the thing is so good that people say well no. I want all of you know milk Vanilla. I'm just teasing. You know what I mean you know. That's actually a debate. In the author community people get so hung up on people pirating their books and other people like look. Let them have it because people read it get interested like mouth it be. Yeah exactly these books that are pirated. There's like thousands of them. So you know you're getting discovered just as easily as it is on Amazon or something. So that's a whole argument there on whether pirating is good but according to HBO EXACT. It is so for so many of those things. When I need to see his numbers you know there's the number of people that can make a story persuasive case for one way or the other but it's kind of funny in in Mensa just had a thing where they had to talk about risk management. You know there's certain things that are going on in Mensa that they had to say. Are we going to change? Or continue or how we're GONNA handle this and some part of risk management was people saying well. It really would be awful if this happened. We have to stop it and always when I would. I've done business software and other things for a long time and risk management is all about. What's the chance of something happening? And what's the cost of does happen? And what are you willing to pay? As an insurance policy has preventative to make it so that you don't get the worst of happened and it cost a lot and that there's no one zero again to go back to dichotomies thinking there's a whole spectrum of well this has big chance of happening but even if it happens it's not that bad or you only have one chance of happening but someone dies and so you do something to prevent it. If you can't afford to have this project stop this person die. Whatever and if you can't put numbers on it it's not science I mean there's there's just guesswork argument the argument right there exactly. But but that's just freakonomics and various different books. That have done those kinds of things. I don't know if you've read any of those. There's a couple of great books. Probably four or five of them now about freakonomics where they look at things in life social issues and they say how to drug dealers really work. Who REALLY MAKES MONEY? What's really going on here? You know it's very similar to a a pyramid scheme people at the top. Make a Lotta money all the underlings that what to get to the top. They're all lured by the dangled carrot. You could be the big drug boss one day. But in the meantime they're taking all the risk and getting your Larry of the reward and so they all kinds of different things they show the real factors if you try to put numbers on and measure it and interview people and get the truth that we have all kinds of things that are ideologically presented a certain way but they don't pass muster when you look at what really happens in the world so it is perfect. That's the type of thing we devour. That sounds good. I've heard of it. Seen it not read it. Go check that out. It's just nice. I don't know I'm not into every conversation to be right but once in a while when someone is really bloviating about this this way and only this way. It's like well actually. I read a book. It specifically said your numbers. Don't match up. You know what I mean. That's not how prison sentencing works. That's not how they always basically think you're kind of idiot. I it depends on how you present it and I don't know we talked about this before. I don't know that I don't need to be right but I really do. Have something weird in me. That says I can't stand bullies. And so that's where I am at my most contentious is at least taking the air out of them you know and I think me and Gina pointed this out. I think it's a I can't stand stupidity just to be stupid and I think a lot of the arguments you hear people nowadays like folks. You're saying this stuff and it makes no sense and it's just outer make it more true exactly right okay. So back to the net flakes in the DC. And all that. And you haven't seen this yet but you know the story. The crisis on infinite earths exactly famous DC. Crossover verse exactly that E. Cw shows just explored over this past season and every year. The shows have been doing a crossover event. Where all the characters together Clinton. So the one from a year and a half ago hinted and lead up to the infinite Or the crisis on infinite which is how it should be really the shows. It's ARROW FLASH LEGENDS OF TOMORROW IMPRINT. At all my what there okay And others there's five Arrow flash that women legends tomorrow and supergirl course so they super girls been on a different earth and they visited several other earths. So this one we were excited about. And there's some lead up to it. The first part of the season of Arrow season eight was leading up to it. And there's some other hints and all that with the Monitor. I think this is some of the for for the Comic Book Person. If you like these characters if you've watched the CW shows this one of the best five episode viewings. It was better than some. I have seen. You don't need the high production values always there. The special effects are good enough. There's enough action in it but we've fallen in love with the characters and they just did it so absolutely well. I think now my son would argue that well. They didn't do this. Come on if you know the real stuff than you're like well they left this out and this was okay on how big was crisis back in the eighties. Where all the crossover books? Like hundred books altogether. If you want everything so much on but some of the things I loved about all the DC stuff is they have always tried to get the actors from the old shows in somehow so there was a super girl movie I just played. I wouldn't somehow I drop out with you okay. One of the things they try and do is get actors from the old shows into the nuance ones. Too Little Cameo or another character. That's cool. Yes in the flash the nineties. Tv show flash. They got that character in as Barry Allen from another earth and they use the same actor. That's causing in the eighties. There is a supergirl movie and the actor who played supergirl is on supergirl as super girl's mother. Okay so they always have these type of things so in this crossover. They had tom welling from SMALLVILLE. While they had in the smallville setting and explained him as he gave up his powers to be normal so tonight or something like that. Anyway don't remember I I remember the show it was just that was. I mean totally. Not even connected. They didn't have to connect that at all ethnic did throng they had the flash from the Justice League movie in here and will art about some of the stuff that Kinda hinted at the movie which that was super But on top of that they had marv Wolfman do a cameo. Oh Man George. Perez did such great work on the series. All that so cool people people would know it you know. It was in had burt ward to a cameo. Oh Oh incident great disasters or something like that exactly. I should have holy of at was in it. Not that he had character but he was in it for brief Canio so respectful. And that's so sweet and that's how cool is that all right old auto fans service all but we were eating it. Up and eight had oh. They had glimpses of the doom patrol in there. They had glimpses of titans both from the now H. B. O. Shows they they just tried to swamp thing man? Yeah so I mean it's all Elon more run on swamp thing one of the best series of comics ever ever ever done call. And what for them? Yeah so the story itself is true to the original. I mean they're not trying to duplicate the comic onscreen and there were changes like who was harboring her. Who WAS PARIAH? Those were different character. They use characters from the show instead of some new character which I thought was perfect then through to the cigarette entities are different than who they were in the comics or whatever. Okay yeah so I mean I think they did really good. They brought the legends into it. And I don't know if you watch legends at all I've only seen the first two seasons didn't continue but I want to it just that I haven't so there's so much every character is rory cold He's like so great and a little bit of a spoiler doesn't give everything away but maybe this issue a little bit. He started writing a novel. Kept it secret from everybody but it's a erotic romance novel and he writes it under Rebecca okay. So He's an books ninety unit. Everyone's calling him. Rebecca which is because he's big gruff guy exactly people was in the episodes if you haven't. Seen Bibo on the they that was a character from legends. They brought him into this whole thing. Okay okay so I have a big big spoiler. That happens at the end. Do you want to hear it. No because they wouldn't only be me hearing it'd be all of our listeners. And they come with axes and torches if you've watched the show okay the end of it what they do with the diggle character will make you pump your arms south and ask Dick. We should go watch so unfortunately one of the things. I'm I'm not only behind on legends tomorrow. I'm at least a season behind on multiple of those and if it really bills to each time that I have Watched like a big crossover or climax. I was behind on something else. I really regretted it because I love how they do that. They tie everything together. A The answer all your questions. It sounds so I kind of want to like now. I got my roster. I have to watch all all five seasons to get to. This will be my big climax payoff but I can't just go jump into it because it won't be good. I really wanted to build so that amazing mountain of goodness hate to put it on you but really if you watch all the episodes leading up to it you get the most out of it partly because you come to understand the characters especially like Oliver Queen I. It's difficult to just jump in and watch it and care to see what he does in the crisis if you haven't watched every eight seven seasons one of one of the things episode. Tv has really acquired that compared to the movies nowadays. It used to be that if you wanted something big and spectacular you wanted that two and a half hour big-screen etc but nowadays when you really can do a series of ten thirteen episodes and you have thirteen hours. Tell your story. Like like watchmen. The series versus watchmen the movie. They really can go into more. The boys is about to have season two and the businesses just such an expansion on the caller books. It's much the same but you really can let things breathe a little bit. You can bring in more and let the tension build and let the laughter role and there's just more to it than having to compress it and I've always admired the craft of being implemented a story in two two and a hours but I really do like sometimes. Sometimes things jump. The Shark is not quite the right term but when they have to ours of story to tell and they make ten hours than that socks that it drags ZAP matter. That's a whole unnecessary side plot. And so I. There's there's craft that goes with each one of those things and she. I don't know going back to the days of cereals they always ended on a cliffhanger to get you to watch the next installment and TV has been very good about that ongoing series X. files and so forth they almost always had something unresolved at the end. They very very rarely type things off with the bow and now when they actually do have a whole series. That's like that. They're very good at the pacing of the story ARCS story beats as they say. In the industry they really become proficient at. This is going to be a satisfying experience. All the way through and I loved everything with the Marvel Universe and build up an infinity war and game. That's going to be very hard for anybody to duplicate ten years worth of DMC you and then those last two movies see those last two movies. They don't mean hardly anything. That was a good movie. You know it. It's gotta be that you form with the characters and care about though enough before you see. No he might not make it through and that kind of stuff and I will say. Even though it's a much smaller budget I think this DC universe build up and everything they did to get to this crisis on infinite earths has just as much affect on me as the endgame for four hundred billion dollars. Whatever they you know it was that good I would sit down and watch those five hours over. Get catch everything to enjoy him necklace. I will say this sorry compared to great names like Santos and dark side Monitor Anti Monitor. Their nothing couldn't add something more better more dangerous. I duNno they're not Omni enough out that in the show's everytime anti monitor somebody goes. That's the name that Kinda sucks so at least they're enough fans that they have the same feeling have of. Oh they just went. That's silly yeah. Are BIGGER IMPACT Pope Pariah? Those are pretty good. Always confused me a little bit about he you know he just seemed to be there and I was like I don't know why he's completely there. Sometimes they had characters that are just there to be like the exposition. You know they're gonNa tell you their story and that ties into why this is all going on. But they're kind of like desk that their the the chorus in Shakespearean terms where they're gonNA care some part of the story. They're not in the story but the good thing is now they are all on the same earth and included black lightning to and like pretty impressive that they brought him into it so literally. All of them are coming into the same earth. Well we'll see as you know the DC universe when they handled it created all kinds of interesting and sometimes awkward plots of when I got like one too many super girls one too many Mr terrific's or whatever else I was like Cherry about so they had the superman that's been on supergirl but you know who else they brought back a Superman Brandon Ralph. They had them in his book world so they had Adam from legends. Meet Superman and he's like wow. I'm a super guy and it was hilarious. He plays it so well. I I said I bet. He never thought he'd put on that Superman suit again. Exactly so did they have anybody like dean. Cain didn't show up. You know what I mean like left out. He has been in supergirl as super bowls at but Cadmus like made him disappear. Okay that's I. I need to watch to find out what happened to all okay. That's very cool alive. I'm sorry again. There have been a whole lot of people from past everything. Okay all right good session. We talked about it time as usual. So all right how well. I am going to go. Look up some of these comedians to listen to while I'm working to take lean for me. Thank you very much for that gift. That's fantastic what you think of him. Because I think he's fantastic very good you can look for some of his shows they released like on podcast so. I think he had a podcast. You go back and get some of the old shows. 'cause he died last year. Unfortunately I didn't know that. Yeah it to him for a while you he had a show so I finally said Hey. I'm going to look up to see if they have his show that I could listen to old episodes radio broadcast you know and found a podcast that every week they released his show and I looked and I said oh. The last one was a month ago episodes coming out. 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SDCC 2019 News, Punisher Annual #1: Capes and Lunatics Episode #114

Capes and Lunatics

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SDCC 2019 News, Punisher Annual #1: Capes and Lunatics Episode #114

"Episode of Texas brought to you by tweaked audience awesome headphones good a tweak audio dot com and you southgate's his thirty percent off reshipping in a lifetime warranty or he can get their link on our website Southgate Media Group DOT com. I know easily do this big intra this big rigmarole but I mean it's hey it say at the Eggo comecon weekend got a special gas <hes> still waiting for Charlie to wake up and get here but let's get to its capes lunatics episode. One hundred fourteen starts right now right now. Hello Welcome to the Cape Solidity. I am fill our like I said Charlie should be along soon. Lilith is proudly working through a hangover in San Diego brought the promise last week. We got a special gas all the way from Australia. That's right. It's a lot of sprawl accents. It's rang from tonight. Hey how you going Phil. I'm very very happy to be happy to talk about man. It's a big weekend. Isn't it all yeah there's always is always anymore because despite their movie stars there anymore they're they're on anymore. No there are there other I yeah because <hes> that's that's one of the that's all I guess Tom Crews showed up and drop like the the top gun sequel trail. That's right up saying that actually that's fan on on attlee just recently as well on Maverick Kohl for are they I yeah the original was what from the eighties now he's like arts through sequel what after Bay the longest time taken for a sequel to come out right <hes> I duNno. It seems to me that due to see what else were they doing a sequel to that was in the eighties. That's why there's other movies. Yellow Goes Finding Dory is a funny finding Nemo and then finding Dory Right. That's a long one <hes> but maybe those in the maybe Indiana Jones in the crystal skull yet talk about that yet upside out very very pumped to be bill this is this is great. <hes> always on the dough comex evaded movies and of course it San Diego <hes> you'll finger would be on the pulse more so than I am <music>. I'm united from mud bowl down under we didn't get the news that often yeah but I mean new so far ahead. You're from the future she goes of course oh before Charlie. It's here <hes> he doesn't allow look at any of this stuff. I think you guys were talking about it. On into the night I got my son because it came out yesterday that <hes> more lions three for Nintendo's which man Yeah Ed Really Looks Awesome Yeah 'cause yet did I did. I see like moonlights download like downloadable characters something yeah I'm not a game at my co has gone from Las son's crypt on Zietman podcast. We do shameless plug. Hey the game law yesterday or today and he was telling me Dale <unk>. That's downloadable Paco. Something is that right. Maybe yeah I don't know if you have to pay extra for that but if a may not spend released <hes> been announced along with punisher Moebius in blade and at least three of those four a Lotta these games of being asking gone where the hill is punish out where the hell is obliged sorry. It's kind of answer that yeah I mean I was just watching a little bit while he was playing last night way was playing with them. I mean it looked pretty cool. I mean I saw some daredevil. Yes later Glenn Miss Marvel. I know he said he'd already unlocked all the Guardians of the Galaxy <hes> yeah I I would. I understood. I you have to play as the Guardians Automatically I. I'm not too much into because how you started to create a profile of your Ryan. Phil Maybe Raleigh. The one is a slate. Maybe bunged on the I might do that. My wife plays sometimes when the on there but yeah girl who will get on Okay Yeah Slough it on. How would you all he would your team members day four you gotta take full? I think a <hes> why was look I was already look online and I was like working. You Find Moon. I'm like is like their way to do something probably midnight. One of this later characters I mean unwise ways are yeah ways aren't one of those because what we have. It's what there's marvel at Lego Games a hall really I think Yeah Hey Charlie selling ally. I'm doing just fine. I'm just glad to see you although everything clockwise as shelley the professor yes that's what they call me Charlie Esser. I call myself that and we were just talking. We're just talking video games. The we're talking about <hes> like movies because we're talking about Lena now celebrities comecon and drop their toys and stuff like didn't Tom. Tom Cruise dropped the trailer that the quarter topgun okay <hes>. I'm sure Admiral Role Admiral Maverick is doing just like us at this point. He's gotTa be fifties. So that's what you're saying. The first one was one in the eighties so it's been like what the years at least it'll be spent that long in the air force. I'm sure he's gained a respectful. We'll write that he probably shouldn't be flying anymore. Man's game. I'll we'll hell how evergreen is either. He looks exactly the same. You know the fact of deal with the devil. It's it's not the <hes> is not the exchequers concern in the air force regulation say you can buy from twenty three to twenty five now. You missed dude. You have questions go to be off yeah. Exactly I think has some sort of supernatural deal handed out to Tom Cruise. Oh Yeah I mean when you talk to say like that watch. He'll be like you know. It's been thirty years since last night but it'll be like it's been five years. Since I flew that it you can't do slotting time and movies and know what it is. I mean I'm sure with him is that it is a you know a as as but when he would say it's clean living because I'm sure he eats right and exercise is often and you know probably there are the people on staff to keep everything titan words supposed to be you know Dolly Parton questions old. She's still looks pretty hot. You know she's they just taking care of <hes>. Pull Rod is well just noticed there have been a few maims going out either. Have there's a whole face APP aging and they go full Rod. Just look at exactly this whole picture through the old man thinking. It's looks the same while you know it's like if you really would like to give <hes> some rent and his it's not even just a rushing company. It's just a random company. You know that says hey would you like access to all of my facebook data like okay. Hey and that's the anytime you do this. I always like why nobody reads the terms of service. It's like anytime like ooh like in which adventures character are you and they say we have the right now. Go through your entire your facebook history every <unk> you've ever pay and we're gonNA find the one that's just like you of the five that we have who have just as easily been randomly assigned but we we're GONNA make it scientific so we're GONNA go in so it's like don't do those things. Kids not good for you. It's all about just getting just looking for that box sticking it in the grain. That's you know obviously everything's all about you know making the money on it but true yeah in this case. It's just the fact that it was a Russian company now now. We're very xenophobic. Even the Democrats are public. Just who use public against he's done hope against south. Americans are the public against Russians but you know we're all xenophobes now. It's a crazy world. Trust is getting more well. I never trusted them. I am the I am the man within at fooled you see see off my lawn all right what my marvel nerds here so so <hes> I saw I saw a couple items of global news. I guess I'm out already at call on Charlie. I know that you the Linka rated you see I guess Doctor Doom is getting another ongoing series on our okay okay. I'll is that called the crack room. Is that the one I'll know I think I think they said Doctor Doom fancy title up no other title doom is that you need to know. The lovers is a premise actually because the actual premise puts doom in the reed richards seat. Okay it's sexually the premise is that you know the big international effort to make the large Hadron collider or the macguffin collider. It's GonNa try and create and many black hole and doctor doom is like filled with nightmares about Oh gee. He's nightmares. I wonder who else Mike Show Up. In this series nightmares about how this could add save the world or destroy the world and needs like really against the world must not do this. You are not doom. You cannot not assembly created many black hole. Do we live in the super science world writing much anyone can do this some that you have already dot yeah and so they're building the super collider and all of a sudden. There's an accident thousands thousands of people that I everyone assumes it must have been that villain doctor doom Iran Shoddy Ida classic take away from him story so they can build themselves back up to be Florida's lead barrier once again. <hes> is again is they're going to be any rating between the lines. He <unk> doom having a series released. Does that mean anything by why of YOU RECKON BOWL <unk> A._O.. Movies well I mean they have the rights now so and we see this with we see this with the exit where we're getting our our. We're getting our Bible on the expert now he'd already written one for the fantastic core. He's writing one for the X.. Men so that that is going the B. R. Kota going forward. We're also interestingly enough getting that that entire Marvel Universe Bible in the history of the Marvel Universe yeah so I think yeah I think we'll get a lot of doom backstory that will now be official cannon and you know sort of like how one random writer decided this jokers origin now. That's going to be the joke as origin forever and if you deviate from that origin we liked everyone's going to be like no. That's not right. It's like six other words before that you know it was like oh no no. That's the one we liked yeah yeah yet. I'm sorry no I conversation. Don't make me aroused about site at Durham. <hes> <hes> is handled pretty well in the current run by Dan slot in the fantastic full. He's still hanging around. I think in the new off coming up as well sorry <hes> he's bringing to be quite popular. I'm loving the fantasy cool comic book at the minded I don. I bet you guys you writing it but <hes> appropriately have have to be one of my top top books to raid. I think at the moment I do love it. I especially love it. They pants do my National T._v.. That is like the bet that is like the first off in Sudan but that was like the most Johnny storm thing evidently dependent but of course it's exactly who gets to do. Is Your pants the Guy Oh we'll show your face the world and won't say no no no no way get it does get to that scenario. <hes> he's a law now Victoria Victor Victoria's victorious yeah yeah he gets hands dirty thoughts tilling the land with them and nominal but I'll get how he's kept these mosque well yeah well. You know what I will say about doom is that he had he got a again. Hickman got a great reimagining in the in the in the civil war story where you get this idea idea of yes. He is every bit of sociopathic scientists that he always was but he does have this it. It's it's your classic this for the good of humanity I was actually listening to story recently about the the <hes> it was on the science Friday about like the <hes> the which is a great book out Kit renamed something bastards not inglorious bastard but it was the Brotherhood ambassador or something like that but <hes> about this this covert secret apt to sort of destroy the German Science Apparatchik <hes> in during World War Two so that they couldn't build the bomb because they all thought the Germans were so close and building a bomb because Heisenberg who actually wind Wednesday working on the German uranium club actually like enacting forty one sketched out an atom bomb for Neal's born gave it to kneels before who then took it to the Manhattan project and they were like this actually way advanced and they really thought that Eisenberg was going to give the Germans the bomb in Heisenberg view of the world's they I don't care if the Germans had the bottom or whoever I just just WANNA build nuclear I want to build nuclear reactors and save the world you know who's funding me and same way that they kind of test bon drawn. Every so often is look. I just want to get to the moon. These are the people that want to fund me. Although at the same time they're all engaging in horrific actions that not redeem them at the end because they are impact super bowl. Have you ever wonder where that trope of the European superleague. I'm from its from guys like von Braun and and Heisenberg who were more than happy to commit atrocities to advance science <hes> and that is you know and that is that is just the interesting thing there but <hes> yeah and that Dr Dr do miss. Here's the guy he he says it's about advancing science but he doesn't care how many people have to die without science or who events Mandy and you know that good way to see do Indiana's mind. He's the hero but in truth these disease like Otto except without redemption are yet none I absolutely a lot more you can empathize against to a sense with him. Oh sorry than Magneto who's driving factories. He wants to while you know. He's obviously proud of He's rice. Buddy wants to wipe out everyone else with Durham. You get more of a in the fact that you understand that he is doing this for furthering the knowledge in science <hes> but unfortunately there's a lot of collateral that potentially comes with that <hes> and of course with I mean Magneto is your classic you know complex tale of the person who has <music> suffered greatly under one person and then repeated all the mistakes of the regime in which they suffered under yeah he is and you know I mean there's a lot of is a lot of things you can say in modern political ideals and ideologies ideologist where where people they suffer in one hand and then once they managed rise above that suffering they go and engage in further suffering for other people because we we shouldn't want anyone to suffer and that's the heroic ideal is that we we want to actually make better for all people and it's sort of like you know an endgame where we're hat says to this you know we don't trade lives now. This isn't something we we're not going to make it. We're not going to say you have to die so that everyone else can live because as as nobleman ideas that is it isn't isn't we're using now. You're classic. Charlie <unk> problem issue in people have actually solved an ice hall been solved on the good face is that you know the answer is you don't push someone else. He'll kill someone else to save people. If if you need to save people you kill yourself and so if if <hes> visually wants to be truly noble he rips the stone out of his own head at that point and that it's like you know and that that solves the problem and then we can try and repair vision at that stage after we destroyed the stone so that's a whole this is the moral quantum comic book but if you want to be a hero you can't go killing people you just corrupt frank title that he's not a hero now he is isn't even even even when even when he saves people's lives. It's at the cost of some of the people's lives. Oh yeah eight hundred nephews himself as a hero he'd never sees himself as yeah exactly so the difference between soldier and the hero and what makes you a captain America. Is your heroic soldier were yes. I kill people but that is not my resin Piatra. I am going to kill people when the when it needs to be because I'm a soldier but if I can find a way out of this without killing someone I'm GonNa find that way orm. GonNa die try but I it reminded me. When I ray was talking about the X.? Men like <hes> rare. You'RE GONNA be reading that powers of accent house of ex yeah yeah. I'm pretty Cain Jonathan Hitmen Yeah Yeah I I'm excited. I hope it's good what I'm hoping. He doesn't drop the ball on that. I saw the solicit. It says something like you know exhibit. Your has this master plan the bring the mutants like back into the late in like y'all all visible again meanwhile you look at like the solicits everyone including him as like wearing a mask occur star. I'm just like okay. They're more visible but now everyone including like Jean Grays. Where one of cost you everyone's everyone's like Ma at the very mysterious isn't it? I see much Eh what's GonNa be revealed that been dropping a few the ADS <unk> panels with as idea and I think it's James <unk> away. These panels are the most <hes> most replica yeah and <hes> you just don't hate just showing professor x surprise. You have no idea what one of means <hes> but I guess it's getting alive curiosity <hes> to be fair. This was the original idea get behind the expert and yes they wear masks but the idea was if we become heroes and they kind of candidates into the has of course origin a few years ago where it was like you know after that Richard Said effort trump my family into monsters the only thing to do was to go to the highest <unk> Goto the go to a building in the middle of a New York City in the hub of media and put ourselves up as the heroes of the earth you know because we hit in the shadows we would have been hated because we went out and selves. We're the heroes and look at our amazing powers and did all that stuff like Spiderman does <hes> you know that's what kept them from hated like the mutants you know and the mutants of course hidden secret away but of course to that extent you know that's why the fantastic four didn't wear masks yeah we're you. You know it's very interesting. I'd really love to raid the alda lot the original F F stop because yeah I mean exactly as you pointed at shelley how do they they got away with it by by doing that. And I'm sure you know other things but you'd imagine heightened degraded public would would be scared at especially the look of the thing and human torch and all that <hes> surprising that they weren't discriminated against Moore well actually nearly books. They were a guy no oh yeah the army arrest them. They have built for them that are special cells because okay the army sees them just like the hull you know they see them. As it's only Reed Richards pushes that publicity of saving the world that they get out out of it you know it's important to remember that when when the fantastic four was first written marvel horror books and of course the King of horror books and that's you know arguably that's why standard actually he was just like the only that was to working there but who was also you don't master the work but <hes> you know they wanted to have a story that okay we have to switch back horror when he just switch actually that hard man the idea pretty a master on the team that that entire idea of being in that world of the horror comments and that's what that's what they were trying to do and now and this is what I say like when I say oh this is that idea that that read did that so that they wouldn't be hated that is relatively new reveal that was actually just after Valeria was born and she still a baby any tells her that story you know <hes> it's an it's brilliant because it does show how I of how manipulative Richard says tallying literally fantastic four stories remember who's writing to Stanford spin anything well Stanley's Assembly love the idea I mean sadly probably even more than <hes> seem. Dicko loved the idea of the Uber match. <hes> suddenly just mentioned might WanNa have friends that that is that is the idea of Richardson season over mench who has friends yeah. He's the smarter scandal role. He's the best everything he does. He is your plastic. Mary sue as they say but at the same time he wants to have the support he. Wants a girlfriend who wants a kid brother and a best friend you know he wants all of these people in his life because he knows the only way you survive anything in this world even if you are the smartest man in the room is you have have a support team. You have people who who compliment you and June is the evil operative because of course yes. He is smarter spend the room has no supporting yet. It might have been really close. I mean the mind concept zip full fantastic for was the whole family the audio family and that thread run through eibnet dance thought is very a lot of reverence to that end it creates real particular flavor to the comics which <unk> <hes> it's really I mean if you comparative. There's not many of the Comex in mobile at least that you can compare it to where it's so family based and dance law does that take a great job in <hes> in in having those dynamics of of husband and wife of brother and sister of man in best might add stuff. That's really cool. What exactly and I think that is one hundred percent? What makes a fantastic for even in their slumps? The fantastic four are like superman in that you know sometimes they're gooden. Sometimes they're bad but the fact veterans is the idea of these characters survive because they do reach beyond just just the individual issues and yeah and that idea of the family of superheroes for heroes rather than a team of superheroes then you see this eventually vendors are team it being a team. It's great and you do have come robbery and you're in your team. You have your you know they say you know the the blood of battles stickers the water of the womb you know that you suffered with with another. It will create a bond stronger than if you are family but of course if you are family with whom he also suffered that makes it all the all the deeper so they are both the water of the room and the blood of battle and that is that is more powerful than anything else and that's why they're dynamic really moves beyond what you're going to see in in most other chemicals yeah. That's a show well you mentioned Guberman Shah Rare. You get not <hes>. Are you giving not mobile comics one thousand yeah I am yeah absolutely <hes> looking forward looking forward to it. I know a lot of the guys rounded with parallels between day say and mob. I don't really gay I mean I'm GonNa get the guy is going to be really weird so I guess it's like a bunch of characters. It's like eighty pages but it's going to be a h worries or something could just yeah. I know they just did not only just announce. Miracle Man is getting one of you know one page story in there now right man yeah yeah because I think morals had the rights for him the last several years they haven't done like a lot 'cause I know they reprinted some of the old stop and then like they went or doing anything. I just want you know I'm maybe maybe they were planning something for Miracle Man and then the Outta comedic 'cause I'm thinking is that why they did the century the issue with a character like miracle-man where you get the rights to them that you do have both the complex the Oh so we have this new character but this character has all this history. It's like let's and it's like if if marble got the wreck superman you can throw super met you can just retail man's origin story and he's a character from now the the teams in the twenties <hes> or you can have his history and his and his story you know I think this is one of the reasons that kind of merged miles into into the overall six six which is number now of course obviously <hes> but you know merged amazing what we call the six one six because they didn't want to negate the history of uh-huh. They didn't want to negate the history of Lyles. Yes they wanted to incorporate in everything else so if you read character like Marvel Man Site miracle-man Marvel Eh he's he is my romance is well originally releasing miracle man and yet you'll always do marvel mandate if you bring in and <hes> you tell us right and yes the century is very similar to the marble man story of course the woman is very similar to the best stories so you know you can run a lot of ways to work it but it will bring him in you. Don't want to negate all of the history that made marvel man morrow men because otherwise you're just doing the ultimate again and we all know how that that I wonder if Marvel's going to try to play this 'cause I like couple was ten years ago or something standard maybe longer than that they like reprinted some of that old miracle-man stop and some of it and isn't he kitty says a magic word turn in the miracle man yet if their marbles GonNa try to play that as their shoes A._M.. Now women very bad well so I mean yeah so the original marvel man story in with Kit Toma which is panic backwards yeah. It's actually screaming Toma. I see I or chip Roma Dome Yeah. She told my question no Chiwenga to monitor not that I think we'll be delicious delicious. You'll love it. Even I kicked to powers or something within two junior yeah originally yeah well it is it is literally. It is the Billy Batson story and you think there's a wizard Bloomberg or it is what they did. This is what they did. They still they still do it at one thousand right side but the idea is that yeah it was the but that was Alan. Moore got his hands on it but that's Allen more read more as a kid love. These probably thought she was the rip off because it's he's he's in England is the Oh it's quite character adds a magic what he says. What did you say you might let our came out or years? After actually technologies them was first and then this guy came out but from his perspective because time is relative this is this is the original but he decided that of course you know there'd be sex and government conspiracies in the involved and that's what we get our current miracle man and it does mirror the story of the century in the fact that I meet miracle-man marble man. He is the slutty guy who doesn't remember his past and being a hero and then he gets awoke into what his past was <hes> but again so so basically the century is a pastiche marble man who is the Pastiche of Captain Marvel Net back to probably Jason there but that again I'm GonNa have to say. I think that the century has a better story but you know that's me mostly because in the end he becomes a hero and yet you know doesn't just dwell on his own evilness but that's that's my opinion. I mean more D._C.. Are always kind of like copying each other. 'cause I mean they of the whole Aquaman name or thing and I just want they you know at the end of the day. We're going to have like you now is. You're basically just going to be mirrors of each other yeah well. Here's the thing is all superheroes. Muros at mirrors of something even Superman you can argue is just <hes> doc savage now under because you know but there he's got a super serum and then that while them doc severinsen or two and then after America's super soldier and it's like no matter how many weight you slice it. There's a dozen stories that <hes> that come about no no now fill obviously the the obvious one is that man's obviously a copy of law wondered if you're GonNa go are rarely dangle the character I say yeah you know. You know. Nothing like that thank you there is a the ultimate that's his name. Here's actually another night came first or <hes> or ultra making ultraman was kind of a one shot character in marvel but he's basically meant to be well. He's so and again this thing so oh Martian manhunter was a superman pastiche. ultraman in the Mobile Universe is likewise Martian manhunter Superman pastiche and ultra man's basically the his this gorge in is is it or is that was captain ultras attitude it. I don't like a red and green costume here talking when when wonder man created the revenge years he was one of the team that he put out along with demand and anti-venom and a few people <hes> but his his basic storyline is he was. I believe it was he was a fireman but he had a fear of fire he he went to a hypnotist to become priebus fear fire hidden winds up unlocking his ultimate human potential yeah you know so yeah I couldn't spare fighter still grizzly bear on at the same time he also is a superhero so it's like that John's Joe the John Jones Quality. You have all these superpower qualities flight super for strengthening vulnerability so yeah I mean when you when you get down to the meat of it there are so many pastiches all now meet moonlight especially in modern interpretations falls into that same kind of open human even potential unleashed kind of character now. I'm originally it's bound to you know because when we first him it's like he's bounded faces the moon and other a hormone according to the universe you know the marvel handbook to the first full moon class one hundred with his shrink. All we really really let's says now where will buy it wasn't a there was it got so muddied <hes> they I think Doug mench which was really trying to figure out what he wanted to <hes> he had to head away by there was that guy remain strength than lighter on <unk> <hes> it was the diocese that Kinda gave him strength through the moon was all be weighed yeah and then like what late eighties early nineties they really tried to make them like mortals Batman but I I mean now he like breaks because he does like all the multiple personalities and stop yeah but again it goes to the gym and Unlimited Human Potential Committee. Let me because he is a human in this magical world that is powered by the force of all life he can tap into it. He has literally access to all powers and that's why when you were doing that thing we're always that the Cap American captain America powers and now he's got ours but yeah but you know who did that right. I'M NOT GONNA say the Guy No here's the thing I think you're meaner dependence than most of him just because I like a lot of his stocks like the street level. Stop The daredevils that Jessica J. His ultimate spider man stomping and when you know the power levels too high sometimes I think he gets a little wonky which off track ray. I don't know how your T._v.. Viewing down there but I guess on they're saying July twenty fifth. I've been this is going to appear again on the late night. It was Seth Meyers. Oh I saw something online about that cool. I mean I I you know you get mad about it and I know that is my voicing. I think at that time I was quoting pool. I think windows has a harder time with Bennis girl you know and that idea that you know but at the end of the day the thing with the thing with any of these characters is this this idea especially with moonlight. Is this idea that he has his power he can unlock now. Is it guys or is it. His own psychology doesn't really matter are the gods even anything without human psychology. It's established in the Hercules comics that you know look you know we God's we're real beings but we actually are heavily influenced by the stories you tell about us so he tells a story about us that that is a reality this. This has a nice corollary in the current agents of shield art. I don't know if anyone's nine I watched mates but I mean but yeah. There's there's a lot going on about how how oh images in our world can affect nine corporal beings when they take form and so you know it. It's interesting in its way. I don't know if they're gonNA go as far as I'd like them to go but you know they might go there. You know I'm always surprised by agents of shows while show slide podcast on them. Cope Noble said look South Eight Media Network in their ads on everyone is yeah yeah <hes> attached to more announcements. I did you see a while ray price all excited. I mentioned it on the into late group. <hes> I guess mortals returning twenty ninety nine for something out if it's going to be a new line of books or or some kind of special but yeah they're eighteen remarkable twenty ninety nine. What are your thoughts on that affil- lot with twenty nine dollars? You'd be fan of noughties. I mean I was books. They're pretty good but I like. I did love like <music> all course Spiderman twenty ninety nine my favorite pretty good you know speaking. I think they have to work with twenty nine nine again because they gave that big <unk> spiders. I you know about units pointing ninety nine. You know just call that Universe Twenty Ninety nine now and seventy years in the future now eighty eight twenty twenty nine. I don't know what Australia there could be a time down area goodson use it has yeah yeah I mean spoilers at the end of this week's speaker last week got an amazing twenty mazing Spiderman Twenty five yeah they show yeah. That's wait a minute twenty ninety nine falls out of the sky so yeah in another Peter David written cats yeah. He may not know anything about cyclops but he's really call charter amassing interview with Yes I had my redemption now sure or short yeah and I mean <hes> and we were talking about miles. Did you see I guess I they're going to do. I Guess Playoff the movie. They're going to do a six issue to reverse <hes> miniseries going to be like traveling through the multi sort ever oh cool that'd be harder ham. He's the backbone of that entire franchise but has malls got a series already ready title. He had one right now Seattle what they're doing because yeah on the next issue of the one after because he has a big anniversary issue coming up. I guess something bumper get back. The of like the ultimate universe is still out there in some form sound. I'll wow yeah we got the ultimate when the ultimate showed up and the ultimate scar looking for their university but of course it's just a copy of their universe is that there's like a million different timelines for the ultimate university. Do you know what the word infinity means. Infinite number of it wasn't the whole idea of Hickman sicker woods combining all of those infinite. It doesn't investments together but no but it doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way because I wanted to go into my again but more their lunch but you know the entire premises that the binders are trying to limit the amount of universes for some reason gee. I wonder what it is. I told you earlier but the they're trying to limit of universes but technically is only only limiting the number of universes that they have contact that they're trying to close the fact that one of the final books just before we get to save it words is literally for and Hyperion just just estimating the left and right you know because you know almost suggested the kind of just wanted it all they wanted to be in the face again returning to my mind returning to the oneness of the beyond on when they didn't have to worry about diverging timelines. They're basically like giant fan. Boys are just so mad at all the differentiations that take care of supposedly ultimate timelines. What is what they're doing? David said I guess at the end of the year December morals they didn't say what it is but they're coming out with some big one shot spiteful. That's going to propel them. Twenty Snow Yeah uh-huh Yeah I mean marvel's always doing something they and they never ever ever getting getting events that potato. I am a little as I see absolute carnage coming up and I don't know if I'm picking proper how much of that too but like I'm just trying to get a war of the realms vote for me. It's like why would I read it. I don't I don't like carnage is a character yeah but spider fan. I know there's some spinoffs though to death spend an off the charts as well. Here's the thing you don't have to buy the book just because it's they're like your guy that buys every book every week then yeah it probably getting fifty would be thing but if you only have a small number books you buy like you know. It's like fantastic four and not really a small number. Please five books a week from me you know but it's like you know unless it's like if there's a MS marvel event where she's the central character that might only yet that you know <hes> Abso evil. I'm I'm kind of intrigued but I do like the premise of the first books. Let's call mix so let's talk to this. Yes yes because <hes> comics corner <hes> rate that you did you read any. Have you been reading any of those acts of evil annuals of I read just recently the punish on was there another one release I I wanted to read it. I haven't ready yet but yeah the Miss Marvel one. I think was the first one punisher did come out this week. Yeah Yeah Yeah sorry so so I guess Ms Marvel came. I write my I wanna all out. I mean this is this is apparently the ultimate cover very misleading. It has the wizard on it right before thing. I was very disappointed. There is no five and four quality in there. You have the you basically have all the moment you have Eric's you. The wizard nihilists is very very uncover. If it's a very that when I so this is the first one it's basic premise is you have the super scrawl Yada Yada Yada and he's been cold all of his exploits by this a guy they call them Scott Cre- but his actual name is Mar Coil is a little guy here guys know him okay so which is which it's my thing that character are you Loki in disguise. That's my thing extra vengeance J. or someone else like that. It could be mercury in this guy. He's a trickster. You got to never gets a new quite but here's my plug I mean we talked a little bit about acts of vengeance on the quantum zone but coming up I think in September little and I are going to do the spiderman issues for acts of vengeance. Lovely awesome is just reread it is but you're opening the opening up with an obvious trickster character who's talking to his name but the super scrawl correct I think it is but he's tells else him this magic macguffin device which will if built on the Morphou genyk framework of a shape shifter will <music> can unleash Morphou genetic framework onto an entire planet turn the entire planet and it's denizens into whatever you want to be and he's basically saying I'm GonNa go find him. As Marvel who is the most powerful check shifter after in the universe because <hes> and <hes> use her mortgage scaffolding to actually transform earth into <hes> scroll us <hes> our our old world that was eaten by blackness us and he his his Spanish too impersonal character captain hero medical original tribes were in starts. The meeting up people but being very violent about it and kept marvel. She's like all about this through and she'll put you if she has to but you always prefer to talk it through <hes>. There's this little eighty. Throwback character called <hes> after <unk> boom. Her name is Chaban <hes> she has like Little Marco powers that destroy things and you know basically they know fight fi mccloughan gets used but then gets destroyed by ship boom because hey she lives in the earth to a nice little face with that and then you know basically captain marvel or MS Marvel <unk> out of talks you know <hes> out of you know destroying earth and saying things change you know yes you earth was destroyed. Everything gets destroyed. The best you can do is sort of build the world and he's like yeah you know we're shapeshifts. We shouldn't be so hung up on what planet were on the new world and then they throw Scott Cre- into space and that's the ad and it seems like Oh oh that's a standalone no religion anything until we get to the fire show where once again there's a kind of trickster character making deals with Aliens Space Yeah Eh but he gets well he gets kyle is dry growing that you talking about to go that <hes> organize a whole spice expedition what the punisher yes sorry the punisher yeah the wife Yeah Drake the are together. It's actually interesting Chali that went through the Miss Mabul annual because when you were describing it I was trying to find any ties with the able to punish annual and <hes> the closest thing is this dry character but he gets he gets exposed those <hes> at the end saga similar to that Skull Creek Act so auditor how things are gonNA tie in with a continuing anyone thread. It seemed a little disjointed this whole active able something video future off the the able but yeah but all I love the punisher J._J.. How would how good was that? Actually I was too so I was a bit reserved but <hes> but the huma that injects as really funny it actually works looks and it's not greedy doc punisher that some fans would be wanting at and the odd itself doesn't lend itself to that as well because the odds quite law that actually reminds me a little bit run Otley Amazing Spiderman Yeah yeah yeah so it doesn't really punish a ton <hes> but yeah a rule is quoting joyful punishment spice. Oh Yeah I mean I'm just like him. I've been looking can freely connections between him. Yacht angels you back Charlie on Mister Professor Charles Hester but I but I I I know at least ray we're. I'm sure we'RE GONNA be picking up that mood night the annual yeah well. I mean you'll still feel on S._A._D.. Rate Miss Novel as well as well as I wanted to. I didn't read it yet. A guy tried to read this up to this just then off the back of the punisher annual in what are your what are your initial axis of evil lot. I'm definitely Dante question. Definitely GonNa get the moon not one you know being a fan of vengeance heady on this telling up because I am a fan of acts of vengeance that I want to be like some big conspiracy. Hope is just like random. You know people because it just it gives it a lot more value. I think if there is a common thread I mean it's funny because Charlie was talking about <hes> about the events and all that and if you don't have to buy if you don't follow the tolerant after bought but one of the things that Mambas is <hes> running through different series and making you WanNa collect it lago would never think of getting mismile annual but if there is a continuing story and phase into this punish annual than I will take it out you know Masako Lot back. Sorry <hes> and that's what might also exit vengeance really good the area because you had that back story that this seems to be just as you say random events in account say sorry I've said hopefully it's not really not yeah yeah like I said I'm excited for the mood night. I can't hang on dead pullovers nightmare. Yes I think the next one is Venom Rod. This is madam something Oh Yeah Lady Help Bender Light. I'm not familiar with that character Dina hurdle now. Let's say I'm not familiar with her so okay yeah. It's not good did enjoy it and I love the the epilogue having done by salmon could drain Sqi. Oh yeah that odd. He's been killing it weighed Matt Rosenberg on the punish title itself. He's hot is is really good. <hes> incidentally I wasn't a fan of his in that damnation events vent those wall ago now remember that one with them doctor strange menards and now I mean he didn't art for spun for Awhile too. I like art better here. 'cause I think they like paired him with like a good color yet yet. I mean we'll this epilogue alarm. Just a few really good but what did you think of the brewed quyen of the brewed. <hes> you know the whole kind of thing. I don't know I just thought it was it was ridiculous. It's just like right castle dot Jameson almost it was like sigourney burnt alien alien stuff but yeah it was a little ridiculous the plot getting them in the space. Yeah it was pretty <unk> has been on this fun but while fan that the beginning a bit really good win Johnson's introduced to the punish actually killing these under <hes> what he did lines Russian spies I guess now trying to hijack the space shuttle and and that was actually really cool and then it just became a pretty funny big ride slugfest at the end. James's like what are you doing. These are astronauts astronauts. Don't carry guns in the space exactly exactly now that was that was I thought it was them <hes> <hes> so. What did you what what else you've been reading yet <unk> of red? I am particularly for the shower <unk> things at a hoosier start. I'm love really enjoyed a few. I'm GonNa do something a little different. He Phil. I'M GONNA go down. The Superman. Roots are rare data's Superman Superman's pal Jimmy Olsen did you. I didn't read that but I think Charlie Charlie. They're insane not law though <hes> Canada's got him. He's yeah look Tom Wolfe. Jimmy Olsen Matt Fraction Phil really good very different. I did not expect this sort of comic <hes> away it. was I hear noise early. There's telling us Oh drop dad again. What I you yeah no? I didn't read <hes> Jimmy. Olsen might have to pick that up because I have a big theory that the Internet that I have you heard about the whole Leviathan thing. Is that the big event happening now yeah serious figuring armor who's like taken out all the spy organizations in the D._C.. Universe and what are you reckon. Jimmy Open is alive and Oh wow cool I mean in because they said that they tease it at the end of the last this season supergirl that the Leviathan or like doing that already even though it's it's still going on in the comics and then they just announced that the guy plays I will James Olsen on super girls'll even halfway through the season. Oh my always Leviathan you. Are you putting Europe putting putting the breadcrumbs yeah if pacing the puzzle together that's cool but yeah no. I didn't say I didn't reach him Olsen. You know what I picked up like. It's like a week or two old <unk> out Lois Lane series wanted gay. I WanNa read that I didn't read it <hes> Greg Rock. It's really good great rucker actually yeah because some pretty big name see Matt Fraction Greg Russia <hes> yeah definitely GonNa have to check that one out as well <hes> speaking the corner is well again from our podcast wonder if he's GonNa get a wants to unfortunately not at this Tommy Econ but I'm definitely something would checking checking Jimmy Olsen. Just it's funny. It's auto no it's a really lights comic in it's almost almost like a an anthology lama fraction <hes> split up into law three small stories but they all kind of <hes> overlap with one another <hes> and this really Auburn added that the closest comparison. Maybe is maybe unbeatable. Squirrel girl not read that but it's very light in funny and <hes> <hes> Yeah Yeah Anyway. I was really surprised by that we have anyone wants to see my fear. I put a posted on the Cape Sa- Lunatics blog finally owe us. I used to try to do that weekly but like last year was <hes> watch over time out the I I was like I haven't put up since October. Holy Crap so yeah I did put that up <hes> but yeah no one was even saying demeanor like well. What about this series? He has come back like twelve issue series. I was like I was like one of the road the Leviathan UH and instead lowest goddess series to cement. I don't know maybe in the end. She's GonNa be like I'm GONNA try trying to like battle him 'cause like in the first issue is really good. You know turned Clark you know with her and Clark but then it's like she sends that late the female version of the question like out on a mission and then at the end she's like at the at the White House <hes> like a White House press conference and she's like very real world he she's like Oh. What about this thing at the border with you putting kids in cages ages and stop so I mean I here's the oddest in that <hes> <hes> it is perkins among Perkins <hes> he's pretty good yeah? I I mean I did like the art was really good. I mean really matches the tone of the story in my opinion Perkins Yeah lovely now I saw I think it was very uncover would have been Nicholas Scott. I'm not sure those <hes> <hes> and it has lowest with back against the wall kinda looking with bullets ricocheting off the wall and she's got a report is bad. Yeah I just looks awesome is really great. Yeah I mean like it's only one issue so far but really good okay this way. <hes> fulfill what what have you been writing <hes> like I said I read the punisher. Did I hear you say on your show. Read Immortal Hulk Saga that he's not out there that he's star Good Judge Charlie there yeah I'm back. I'm back. Oh okay on the phone now okay I. I know you said you read it. I didn't read it but I was saying he read Jimmy Superman Powell Jimmy Olsen number one <hes> no I didn't read it. I did had a code I would've thought it coast and the number one coats and what they haven't been doing that lately. I like like I said I got Lois Lane number. One there was no code the AD appointing they were with air putting out a lot of their books with codes and then they were just like young like number ones and annuals. They were doing the code yeah now. I'm not seeing any kids. It's like you know what they they just. They don't want people that word amount in your book yeah well is that I've been they don't want the word him out and you know it's a shortcut of business model but that that's the story of the you know the short battle where elect about it was other shows in darkness in the very last agent. Is You know <hes> the Devon and which suggests that there's a ultimate dementia Jimmy Open some Yada Yada Yada as as I said that you know if Redford it open it might well be <hes> Ali game plan <hes> ultraman fell from the Anthony get university and I at the <hes> very unlikely possibility that we might yet up just love right they feel as well the very last panel of that Shush Jimmy Olsen looking at his own article of <unk> at an article sign who kills Jimmy Nelson Sarah. It's a bit confusing <unk> hanging wanting more <hes> yeah I really enjoyed it. Jelly other was really good at Charlie. I was towing ray like <hes> they were teasing Leviathan on the season finale of supergirl girl last season and then they just announced that the guy plays James Olsen is leaving this season like halfway through all he's Leviathan Ryan right but you so much me. Hey quite I and you know are they making with supergirl Hula by as as has been said Leviathan is under the defaulting but again too but I mean if you're if you WANNA go with that alternate rod reality version they cross over this year's crisis on infant earth's because even said they're gonNa have they they announced. I guess a comic con that Brandon Ralph is GonNa play Superman again through that crisis crossover Charlie he's going to be the atom and Superman and they're we're going to bring that other superman two vs superman in there in that crown this year oh what a rotten Ralph in Obermann and it is only ace. I loved Wenham when John Wesley's ship arrived as the Flash Flood Watch that yeah yeah that was so cool I used to watch the ninety and got a rule buzz saying they out was really cool. Oh Yeah Oh yeah so yeah. They're giving US Brandon wral superman in an across over. I can't wait. I can't wait there. crossovers are so good I mean I love this the C._W.. T._V. crossovers. There's more than like old probably most of those most recent I._D._C. Movies like all right yeah yeah pretty low bar. Really I enjoy them. I thought that was pretty. <hes> yeah yeah I haven't Seen Art Art Echelman what we say about the ones that are good good movies or the good for I think he did. I think a bit Bud Sally I think Iran I think goodbyes because into when you like I remain to the authority to that thing the films are your thing that bad marvel to get those are definitely not up to the level that we expect tomorrow yet but at the same time are the thirty bad film I know because I'll watch taking and watching on men to recently. I thought I hide it. A watching it again didn't hide it as much as watching once again. It was actually top daisin. It was good so I don't want the problem. They're fun. Popcorn sound say about you know should Damn Wonder Woman Commander Fun Popcorn so that you go and you see. Maybe one or two more times says it's fun thing to do on Day with I do and D._C.. Has the problem in marvel fees when they want to tell a deeper story I think fees trips overtone trying to Tel Aviv for story and I think marvel somehow when they wanna tell something they deeper than just a fun filled with people. You know impacting punching each other. You know <hes>. They're both pretty good at that but when you went authorities after defeating films are bad phone is just that easy. The film haven't quite figured out how to tell how did how did how did I didn't do melodrama that they're melodramas still coming up more soap op radic than you know Shakespearean Yeah but I hate Charlie Charlie. We're <hes> we're going to the comics. <hes> you know what Ray Ry. That's one of our favorites immortal hall ECON Field Eagle. Has It feels like we're actually reading something very special <unk>. I don't WanNa lock like a sound really but it really is especially with Joe Bennett this issue. The latest issue feel doesn't have John Bennett in it but it's still Khanna carries the story alone authority and this was a good one. This issue for me was actually pretty much the weakest issue in the immortal series is it a bad issue of a whole comic note advantage you at all but it does not it doesn't give me what I was looking or from a from an immortal and then have the late last big reveal now easy vaccination now. It's like a really really that those really really cool well effect the we already go wrong earlier in the issue in that thing issue about why do you want to become the thing we you know and that the quality that make you know and then the whole the whole you know them you know only everyone in the in the <hes> now in of apply you know all that was that was shocking thought like killing won't time yes of course they're they're. They're probably going to be revived somehow but why why being with the needle drain I mean look who look who he kinda killed. Charlie was DOC Samson was sasquatch. We those no have like gamma and what's been given the game of people they come out of the they come back. I'm back all the time yeah yeah. I'm not to worry about Samson but that did cy Walter had his he was free of gamma or whatever so other yeah but in all of them a lot of them are cured by that there by the whole way a couple of years back so yeah yeah very thought very very strong issue again. Not You know degree with each one of the best ones been ripley. I think the one before this was just fantastic in a couple of them before they <hes> but yet if anyone who's listening hasn't picked up immoral. I feel obliged to tell them. Go Out and get get it because it's you'll missing out something very special. They've even had my favorite fixing. That's my favorite hope the cray hall in that everybody in mind if my mind yeah yeah human that human that cheesy mustache I will I will give one that I did like is rock basically important that you know even that when the whole thing seems control or when benedict or whatever yeah dangerous because when we were fighting you know it wasn't it. Wasn't you know it's still just I'm the strongest one there is not on an I._Q.. And always angry little child getting yeah a beautiful really good running informality doing really does stays out a lot of the essence of what I think <hes> thunderball things in the united. Sometimes I guess we think of the Hulk will maybe things thoughts that we know realize we've sort <hes> it's it's really and you know I think he now. I remember when you if ever read the first I the first time we Iraq and Redeemer and by the way I always get annoyed always bring back the redeemer armor. No one ever bring back. The Rock. Act Was the greater weapon that it looks like a potato but it's probably Ali Morbid and that's why I love about Iraq armor. Oh It's like being on rock. It's almost like a Ben Grimsson no but that's what makes Iraq that cool and so if you ever read newer jumping her David Brock Nadeem rates very much this idea looking back on disease characters who hate the whole story is what we got laughed issue with that he sort of Betty story you know over several ways and that we did now unfortunate story over several ways and I wonder like in the third issue. Probably I wonder what we'd get that you know. I'm hoping we get rick guns that you know yeah me too renting Joan the ultimate human and what are you going to think of Gamma flight. Oh unlike those guys I love critic agree on that. I like I totally feel that there's this idea that they wanna get into crutcher. Pressured feels idea that because he is the gorving man he gets the personalities of around him so he gets more and more evil in fact the most evil we've ever seen him when he was in a mental institution. It would use imploring the mind of the evil after her out really wow oh yeah it's a fireman. We've heard all correctly but <hes> you know <hes> I could be run on that but yeah but it's a great absorbing man story three you are or something he's bringing them. He's been around recently Stanley. He was in the Christian would black Bolt Ron which was very good in was written very well in <hes>. He's getting a lot of attention. Yeah I mean I think there's a lot you can do with glory man and I am here for like yeah. We get Jilin out. He's like he's not being a to prevent is really just being a dude his girlfriend and then they gotta be with you know run guy but he's not like plotting anyone death at the moment you know and really. I think that you know <hes> Mary is more more more supervision is one in jeans even and her motivations were always kinda week. Do you know or big quite always G._O._P.. Up One it made her feel weak again when he got up all the time you know so yeah. I think this couple Diane Janus is writing all of that they pretty much just <hes> from school had knox and any nuts have icon of gold. By the crime before previously but now they've been handed quarter NAS little little Joba May navien Krill. Khanna is fascinated have cool. I've got it now. You know based prison. You know what are we doing with. SLEEPIQ hopes <hes> <hes> yeah they've got themselves in position a hope that day more a gamma flight really say more of it doubled these presdent spun that off in the something they were kind of not not deploring remand Titania Blade. I mean the rest of like Kinda with Captain Marvel for Awhile in my current series yeah yeah something came to that or getting like Alpha flight book again or something of an walk again okay <hes>. I don't WanNa hold too long. I know it's late there but <hes> did it. I was GONNA say. Did anybody relocate number one this week. Now I'm sorry could you read who the Ottesen the Roy that <hes> this is wasn't familiar with the credits <hes> he full name here. It's the raiders kibbles Smith third ever kibbles mythical who <hes> and the arts is drawn by Oscar baas Basel Puzzled Dua. I never heard of him. Feel heavy next anyway. You want to say yeah. Okay Okay Yeah. That's fine. I just wanted to ray wanted the fray read it but yeah it was. It was good okay. I'd recommend the yeah is it is one shot or a mini now well. I know there haven't they're gonNA have more issues so I don't know if it's going to be many or an ongoing but yeah 'cause I like issue to it. Looks like the covers looked like he's going to like harass Tony Stark which I can't wait for you. WanNa read it. Let us know Yup and the way I know we've been reading this ray. Have you read there have been reading and this was a really good issue. I don't know if you locked it as well very contained. It was just the Lebron's family against the summer. easies matinee idol gets invited a bit of reveal this woman that he's had a hot school very weird the story yeah yeah well. This is in bubbling for a bit like <hes> but never knew that she was married until this issue and not only that but she's married to married the very end they met on down the first time when he had the Hobo shutting down them up because he is a drinking over a noyer so yeah yeah that was the weird thing about this issue like why would she invite him knowing who is knowing who the family is what she liked trying to get out of that family no she's trying to you know what I on opinion it. I think they have their time if you will when the emotions in high and I think it's like you know what this will get on the I think so I think I think Shelly I think you're absolutely right. I think she did that to get out of at a damn yet I don't. I don't think they're typically. I don't like trying to con from my everything she said before I think she has a decent relationship with her family and then this is gonNA cause the tension at the family family dinner. That's going to get to the next well. She's she showed no care for Matt Murdock. I mean she's actually throwing him into the lion's den out knowing that he was a you know a d.. I previously and that he had some con handling any obviously obviously knows the family very well <hes> is he he tells <hes> <hes> cut remember nine by <unk> battle. The history associated shows very little concern for mass <hes> and auditor with it. I thought okay kid became actually I actually thought gave him buddy actually spells at he. You'll what was it your retail stroke or something retail Creep Yeah Yeah you mistake very friendly surgical said yeah but he got it because he is a creep around he is. He's a little nearly had no infant him. You know what knitting around I think well. That's what I told you. I think a couple issues back. I just wonder if they're gonNA play in this morning like show that I mean I think they've kind of hinted around in previous runs but like maybe he has issues with women. You know just like taping. Maybe maybe not seeing women as fully developed people. Maybe you know maybe even as sex addiction UNO's. Actually that's probably yeah I mean it. Finally Mike ojos Connor did rises. Well is a big Fan <hes> he loves black widow and blackwood happens to be the only person that has gone out with that actually still alive so all yeah yeah so well electrodes alive but I'm electra I mean Jubal. She worshiped by an echo or guests. Well yeah but I mean he has a good point they <hes> there's a lot of dead now with the audit that girlfriends on his tab yeah Yeah Yeah Oh who actually feel before I forget as well another a bit of I believe it's San Diego Comic Con News All show. You'll love it again. Sorry Charlie plays indulge May <hes> only because of discusses would feel full own you all different x-factor getting <hes> the Hasbro mob legends treatments. Oh really strong guy has been released by Ad Yeah and a double pack with havoc in Laris ooh in the in that that really cool cost you in the nineties yeah yeah so there were those blue and yellow yellow ones. Yeah keep your eyes out for Spain. <hes> an all the others might be another re release of metrics touch wood right now thanks to actually buy those all on our buddy thing. Mike get an extra dictator yeah. Oh yeah cool anyway. Sorry I just before the <hes> but yeah going back to the data will the yeah I mean <hes> trip. The dossier has been doing very well on these todd. I'M I don't mind this oddest <hes> it's it's not <hes> Chatto. He's a brilliant oddest in the first off no fee but Shama is it. I guess it's Shamu <hes> <hes> hold his on the has been bad but you had that I like that for the first or it was just incredible beautiful beautiful and what do you think of <hes>. I got two things up but to fill into Celli. <hes> what do you think of this new addition of coal north the from Chicago and also the return of the AL in on the mix. What are you reckon loving them? Oh Yeah you think it's always loved daredevil beating on the owl but I I mean he he's kind of his kingpin or the kingpin yeah but I just that car. I yeah the call up onto mean I. I was glad the Dr Ski didn't go that way. I mean could look. I thought Oh what he's GonNa make him like the villain daredevil for a while they push against it gets so good that way but I mean I'm glad is I was just like okay. I didn't see that coming so far charlie well I mean obviously you know they've been worked with the I'll for awhile here we had you know had the owl as <hes> you know sort of background sacher and definitely the guy who during the pot among them out yet which is which is a nice take the Erica <hes> you know as as the quote unquote live yet I mean the detective you know <hes> honestly again that he doesn't recognize daredevil title is Matt. Murdock detective in fly over the whole lower at mit face is exactly the same. It's my lady I am. I dared now doing a Christian vile guy you met like two minutes ago yeah yeah but opening up a whole thing in modern watering call. That's the whole thing in comics. Charlie can't play that it. They're devils thing well well good detectives yet. Well people not recognizing people just because they have a little mask over their face eh but no I didn't always leave it in the sense that a lot of people just play along. It's like Gordon knows that man ruth laying but it's like why would I why would I admit to that. You know that makes me liable. Plus articulate actively again daredevil and like had no reason to keep their secret you know so he could well. He's distracted. He's distracted is he's got the the rest of the police force against him as well. They will item the big reveal at the end. Sorry Sorry Shelly now I liked the idea the liberal insane about how you know you truly evil really make money in the world which <music> awfully thin kind of a line and more with his Netflix <hes> Marianne really about the real estate holding and you know the building up of you know the the forfeit rotation of health and you know and and living elaborate in things and we're we're aiming kicking affordable will be bringing the crime that down the rest. I loved the I love the opponent view that Sadowski does on both sides Loyd both of it's quite compelling United Criminals in south but she she expounds on it so eloquently and then you get Murdoch retorting <unk> as really really <unk> another pace a really good writing his issue ah again it's just it's just them at the dinner table. It's very time I mean I love all that stuff but you mentioned the kingpin I i. I'm interested to see if he's going to be like you know he's GonNa fail going legit and then there's lamed matter I tried. I tried to get output Utada pack. It's not demanding a percentage of every I know add it his legitimacy he's just he's just distancing himself further from the crime in his twisted view he is Charlie but yeah we know he's not trump thing. He yeah no longer have older in you know trump property. It's like okay you can argue that but you're still getting aid by and you're still you know you're didn't yourself what you're not because he's still actively involved and he'll Muslim if they don't you know up out of the goodness of their heart it yeah I mean it's basically just Wilson Fiscal and Oh yeah yeah well not. I'm not actively ordering people with a murderer other people so yeah shit now you know exactly yeah and the governor in there. You Know Oh yeah he does. I love that Vile Fred beautifully beautifully Dongyang <unk>. I had my man watching us his ben were behind yours out and just going on the tally with what you're talking about. I know it's not exclusive. 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I don't know if they're doing their acts of vengeance acts evil thing over there because it's like their enemies are going out for different people so okay yeah. It's a little bit to have an ongoing than going to be an ongoing join the monthly weekly they're going to be having a anthony were ongoing theory. How so who say well realistic uh-huh realistically we'll see how long that loss though with Ma will could end up paying a serious or exactly but with this symphony wolves annual Phil optically GONNA pick up the May not one but I reckon the whole thing? I'm GONNA tried white. I'm not just wide in our whole tried at the end yeah tiffany Dan titles off you'll but absolutely carnage probably yeah yeah may too big. This big thing for were realms yeah now that it's like you. Don't get a chance breathe in there like here's absolute Karnei Earth. It doesn't give that that Kinda sensitive special event because like you just jump into the next but absolutely yeah it. Everybody's Oh you didn't let worst-off. We'll hear Spiderman fan or you know what that is that you know what because there's a lot of demand fan its CY were up well. That's true the ideas and they actually always do that like you know. The mutant massacre was the phone event outside of the other events that we're going out of that time yet but it just seems record <hes> it just seems now that it's just unrelenting <unk> one literally after the other ident- remember that even if you use ago even start a before the last one end sometimes to Kathy. Here's the thing out say they think that you have these events that you have mullen diminutive big events like what is American. I don't see that I don't see that as a war Rome level of that. That's going to be a <unk>. Maybe you'll have one proper with the fantastic for something but it's not going to be a global event the way our many toddlers Kelly because I've not just spotted titles guys. I have a fantastic full. I mean just racing captain marvel guys. I've a moral hulk but it's GONNA be no but it's going Edward. I N would be under shows up in the last office interesting. You know you would have the way that attend be. Oh there was open I. I don't know I mean maybe they make you know aren't into a worldwide ethnic mistake. I don't think carnage is the EPA late for that. No I mean I think Donnie pushing the N._B._A.. Me Harry Reid might love it but yeah Oh yeah Donnie case is really pushing symbiosis. I mean between rate envenom and then ray of you've been reading silver surfer black read the first one a lot with with with the simulate down so as a as a larger stimulatory. Maybe it's interesting but I guess because there's heavy around Carnahan's. I get the carnage the Tristan Front number one in it's a matter who that is oh we saw it was you shouldn't wasn't went out to the mullet. Carney Erica looks like what the Double Gang. Maybe I don't know but yeah I mean I think I like I've seen like venom demised versions of different stuff like <hes> was it cut like a month or two ago. I saw fun go pop. It was like a big iron man who was like Fed ben demised or something <hes> I do a lot of as venomous variance <music> what that's like the cupboard this captain marvel and like my guy was like Oh yeah. They didn't send me the regular copies. I had to get the varian cover with like you know it really GonNa be a very yes sunny. Every time you mentioning a lot you mentioned dateable mentioned hulk in any mention customizable <unk> looking right at the justice you mentioned him yeah because I read kept him novel as well so that was pretty good. <hes> just got this ongoing. Thing nasty seems to be suffering some sort of illness. Oh yeah she's getting weaken. Stop but non yeah I find it interesting with like you know they. Somebody released to the public that she's half crease. You know she's now become public enemy number one at her home. One is a reveal that owes you after the whole time. I don't know if pin it never really doesn't go with me yet. Yeah this is this is mobile kind of. I think starting to rewrite history in order to make fit with the movies. Maybe that's what I was wondering if they do not yet because we really didn't get into her parentage. I mean especially like other. There's no mention of like any kind of mother in that first movie so <hes> really religious trying to make her aquaman really yet it was it was like oh my father in New England found the beautiful alien feature who he defended to shut out Simon. I got career as well <hes> but this I think from the Margaret Stole Run. which wasn't that long ago thing? It was a five policy on the life more ah which is a really good really itchy me on a series so kind of falls off the back of that but I feel what he drink an really enjoyed at the end as well Minova. 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Episode 19: Sister Act 3: Moon Knight

Bill and Frank Eat Pop Culture

1:29:33 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 19: Sister Act 3: Moon Knight

"Yeah you re body and welcome to build when Frankie pop culture. I am frank and with me as always is bill bill. How're you doing? I'm doing well cited for the fall all TV premiere season which is upon us so billy never thought we'd get here. Were this episode nineteen. We're on the run the eve of episode so twenty well. I mean in reality it. This is episode like twenty two because we have some bonuses that we threw in their right but it cannon right right episode nineteen right and as Nerds we have to be we have to stick to Canon of course. I never thought we'd get this far. I thought we'd get to like seven yeah. I thought we get to seven. We we get sick of each other's bullshit and diva egos and be done but this has been this has been quite a journey in a lot of fun so I'm looking forward to the next nineteen. Actually this would probably be Stephen King's favorite episode because Asu nineteen. This episode has mystical powers for all your dark tower fans. It's it's all nineteen Maryland Ramo so so to make it even more special because it's the fall premiere television division season and this is going to be a very TV centric episode. We have the master and I don't say this. I I don't throw this term out there loosely bill we have the master of full premier TV TV watching himself J. B. John beaver welcome back John. Yeah thank you guys some become like a three demand booth here. I don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing but I'm happy to be back around three. It's great. It's well. It's worth every time so far. There's a spike in listenership whenever you're around John All right. I don't know that's just that's true or not. But if it is a warms my heart all right so we got a lot talk about what's going on everybody strapping open wide and let's start the show guy so just when we thought we were seeing the the wind down the never ending story part three. Disney verse Sony for the love of Spiderman That's theirs to Colin's in that title. That's what the Bush the never ending story Colon Disney verse Sony Colon for the love of Spiderman a memoir. That's not that far off from the way. They handled the accident so anyway so we got some more news. They'll want you take that. One is getting kind of hard to to keep up with it when there's so many people throwing growing theories out there it's hard. It's getting hard to decipher what has any credibility but today we got or yesterday. We got even further credible news. That apple is becoming a major player here. apple wants to get into the streaming world. They're launching their own sort of high prestige TV series about a good morning talk show with Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon but they need the library. They need a library badly and Sony's a great one. So apple is in the hunt for buying Sony what that means for us web heads this is in the Spiderman. Ip contract that. Sony has if they sell to anybody. spider-man's movie rights automatically revert back tomorrow. That's not just spiderman that spider man spider verse so that's then I'm more BS and all the other spider universe people so apple could literally save all you know if they decide to buy Sony before you react to that. Also we get news today day. That marvel is concerned Marvel Disney since Disney has billions of dollars in their couch cushions. They're considering buying just outright. buyings Spiderman writes back from Sony the speculation. I read today in variety which is a pretty reputable place is that Sony would ask for ten billion with a B. dollars. No Way Marvel would pay that but it would be a starting point. and I honestly like I feel like it'd be worth it. I mean I feel like if they got him. Down to five or six billion dollars probably be worth it. It'd be amazing that spider demand himself would sell for more than Disney bought Lucasfilm for which unbelievable but well what did what did far from home. Make far from home made need over billion dollars about one point eight billion. It's the it's the highest grossing I mean. He's never been more popular yeah. It's it's pretty it's a that's a big number to me. I don't know what you guys think. I'd I'd love to hear you think one at a time but to me. The Apple News seems to me has the ring of credibility to make sense. It's an apple. They're not gonNA have time to build up some big original library. They need somebody's library to make their streaming service attractive. It makes that makes sense to me why I think you know that makes total sense but I I when I first saw this going around. The first first thing I thought was because besides spiderman the only other thing Sony has that's worth. Anything is probably the only thing that's kept. The company viable for the last. However many years is is the playstation? I thought I was figuring Sony wanted a apple wanted to get in on the on the the console market because they are launching that Apple Arcade. You know it would be the apple. Computers aren't the best thing to game on you know so if they could have a at a console legitimate console to their to their your portfolio. I it makes sense. I can totally see this happening. I mean I feel like apples been hoarding cash and looking for the looking for this big huge purchase for the last ten years and I think it's I mean I think it's one that probably makes sense for everybody. Everybody Yeah I mean I'm curious if they would be like straight up by the whole company or just buying the film studio and the and the Catalog Dog you know there's obviously these weird writes things you know as the reason they would that the spiderman go to Disney is because if Sony gets sold that was part of the contract with marvel sold rights spiderman to Sony you know because it would just be kind of a studio going one electronics company to another electronics company and it would just be kind of odd. They're just divert that way but Sony obviously does not seem to have a upcoming platform of the NBC does and Obviously Disney with this class on Warner Brothers as well so oh they're cow lesser planning launching their own streaming APP and that would be just wage raise streaming APPs. I'm not sure how many people are actually going to be willing to pay for this point. and it kind of makes sense to me at minimum. They might want to offload their studio products because I just don't know this is the kind of business that a bunch of Japanese Japanese corporation corporate head. Honcho guys really want to be in anymore especially given that you know as you said really the only thing that they have going for it. Movie me wise is Spiderman. I can see why they're asking so much so I've been looking at. What's on what movie franchises? Sony may have. They actually have a few things that could be viable. James Bond being one the gemology franchise which is alive and well is. Sony men in black is Sony I. I know that the last movie tanked but it's still a viable. Ip the Robert Langdon series from Dan Brown is Sony the girl and the spiders the girl with Dragon Tattoo that is Sony the karate kid the dark tower from Stephen King Charlie's angels underworld. These are all so those are those are all you're right. Those are all like you know well known Kaiser's but here's the question or any of those French takes spiderman out of that that portfolio now are those franchises that a studio can exist on without a spiderman especially sorry I was just today especially because the bond rights in particular are really weird because they are technically owned by that like brought Barbara Broccoli like the people who own the original ones that connery sit sit their kids and so it has to do with distribution rights internationally versus. The states was not straight up ownership the way some other ones and that's probably most valuable. Ip besides despite yeah they have a Dumont although I mean there's that movie made a billion dollars which is unbelievable but here's why I think it's viable. I don't think think any of those franchises outside of bond really maybe if Dan Brown continues to write Robert Langdon books and they rebuilt it with a different actor. I don't know I don't know if the Dragon Tattoo has any life but what makes viable isn't making new movies. It's apple would be able to put all of these movies that people loved at one point on their streaming service so people can watch the underworld movies. Watch the karate kid movies watch the dark tower on who will watch direct our I don't but some people might and then I'm reading the article here like John's like Frank said a minute ago the other attractive thing is the video game rights that Sony Sony has not just the video game console stuff but the movie rights to uncharted which is postal star. Tom Holland the resident evil. Stuff is Sony Mike so bats value. I mean it's as far as libraries that are left that are viable that somebody can purchase. I feel like they're right up there Komo. Be You know the best ones left yeah I I would say you know like playstation does have playstation does have playstation vue which she's like their own live TV streaming service I. I'm not familiar with it like intimately so I don't know if they've got the the library included in that or not. I don't even know how good the services but show. I I mean that exists to. I don't know if anybody gives a fuck about that. If if it was it worth bringing up but I just thought it it was time for everybody to hear my voice ghostbusters to just really met yet which Jason Reitman turns the franchise around after the failed reboot that could be that could be of some valuable. Ip as well yeah exactly so I'm not sure you know back to me has the biggest ring of truth to it. I'm not sure I see marvel ponying up ten and billion that seems astronomical but if it comes down to the four five billion range like it's not like Disney can't afford it so and it would be smart but who knows man so far there there. I pee purchases. We really have to see how the Fox one pans out. It actually hasn't started very well but that's also because everything is just leftovers from when it was still Fox production company but there are other. IBP have all worked out you know Pixar are buying it outright marble. Lucasville those have all been successful so I would imagine they're going to continue down this path and I would imagine that apple and other companies are going to emulate them if they have the cash flow which have free much more casual than any other company on the planet right what else we got frank so the other thing. I think we wanted to touch on was there was some news release that we know oh how we're going to see dead pull for the first time in the MC you and yeah I mean it's it's it's interesting. I don't know that I expected it. and I'm not talking about he'll be he'll be introduced. The same way J Jonah Jameson was at the end the far from home in a post credits scene. I thought thought that all along but that this is going to be a different dead pull from a different universe not meaning that he'll act act any differently but he won't come with you know the history of the I two deadpool films right which I think is probably the way to go. I mean they want to as much as we love the dead pool films and honestly love sort of a supporting cast of that anytime arena backer and gets work. I'm a fan of it but it's probably smarter them to distance themselves as much as possible. From Anything Fox did Fox's I mean the bad taste taste in people's mouths. Were Fox really other than deadpool and Logan. I guess it's really been bad for quite a while so I get that you know there's nothing they can do about Ryan Reynolds's face you know that's GonNa be familiar to people but they can distance themselves from whatever continuity continuity they've built. Unfortunately it probably means. We don't get to see Josh Brolin his cable again which Kinda sucks but I also so kind of get them not wanting to use him as cable considering we just had him as you know. It was one thing when they were separate studios and he was playing cable the same time but yeah. I'm a little surprised that they sort of let us know how they were going to do. It doesn't doesn't make a comment about that and deadpool two yeah I think he does. He knows I did read in the article which is funny is that marvel is GonNa. Let him sort of wink. Wink acknowledged his past with Fox the way he does which which will be funny. Hopefully they'd like let him carry over his like obsessing obsession with Hugh Jackman and all those running gags but it strikes me as the smart way to do things I mean I just I if it means that he's going to be a fully integrated character into the rest of the MC you or with the rest of the mutants I'm perfectly okay with it me too. What do you think John I don't. I don't know how necessary it is only because deadpool play pretty fast awesome loose with the continuity of the Fox films in the first place and my biggest concern about deadpool in particular being purchased by Disney is that they try turn into PG thirteen eighteen on which I'm not a fan of because his knees proclivity for not really wanting to have that hard are kind of stuff which this does not fix ex- you know obviously there were a lot of references to you know x men. Wolverine especially in the second one and things like that but you know colossus was a character her who had also been a character in x two and basically they made no acknowledgment of his previous history next to in any way so it wasn't like the continuity was really a strong gene ran through through the first two deadpool movies so I'm not I wasn't overly concerned in the first place. The continuity wouldn't make sense I don't think there's any way really to proceed lead with this character without Ryan Reynolds obviously they they can't reboot deadpool. They know that so whatever works for them at at the end of the day I mean I I don't think that obviously the MC you being interconnected has been essential to it but I think deadpool movies can continue to work owned by Disney without being interrelated that being said I obviously would love to see some of the characters pop the deadpool movie more so than I think I wanNA see deadpool Geico pop up in like a spiderman movie because I think that would kind of actually bruin illusion but I would love on the other side of town hall and showed up in a dental movie and just took piss himself that be hilarious. They are saying right now that deadpool in later both slotted to be are I. I mean that could change of course they could back off that get cold feet but that's what they're saying now. I don't think they will people go nuts. If deadpool is kid. I think really making him. A different deadpool is just so in case people are like well. Why isn't he mentioning Vanessa wisely mentioning. Whoever the CABDRIVER DOPE hinder gender they can say this is why that's it. I think the more what and what John Sort of alluded to is the more interesting question is where they they say he's going to you know marvel sort of let it slip that he's going to pop up in two thousand twenty one so we kind of know what the releases are in two thousand twenty one the article that Franken I read had seen they seem to put their bets on him popping up at the end of for love and thunder. Which is actually the end of phase for What do you guys think I mean. I think it would definitely definitely be a post credits scene. Most likely I don't think it would be anything in the actual Louis right and I wouldn't even be surprised if it's not even actually directed by Tyco what td is no involved evolve with is one of those like we used to direct some of the good the the singers but I think I don't think we're going to see a lot of mutins. Besides maybe maybe some subtle or overt references to them in the movies but I don't think rationally. GonNa see them unless it's GonNa be in stingers and things like that. I don't think they're going to be involved in the plot outlines of none of the things we saw announced at comic con at all. Can we just for a second. Can we reflect on the possibility of a Tyke. Tychy latinity directed deadpool movie. It'd be weird. It'd be fucking awesome. I just wondering I mean if he does if they do position Deadpool as like the post discredit Stinger to four. That's like that's like the last thing of that's a pretty big spot. That's like the hammer face four because after that it's face five yeah I agree we even knew if as five is now we know that for love and thunder is the last movie in phase four I mean I think we have to assume that Black Panther and Captain Marvel are GonNa get additional sequels audience we guardians three which is not doc is gonNA come out and face five which also would be comedic -ly an appropriate vehicle to have a standard. I think either thor or guardians as far has the type of movie they are which fit best and going back to what you said. Frank I think because take a because apparently has really good at bringing out you know improvisational national performances as we saw with Hemsworth never been better than he wasn't worth Iraq so I think she'd be actually great at it because I think he'd bring out the best and Ryan Reynolds not we had an argument created in the first two already so good at it totally so the last piece to close out our discussion as last week Johnnie as you know because you're a loyal listener bill and I went to twitter and said hey twitter who do you WanNa see cast as Moon Knight because bill and I both agree that this is a pretty important casting or could be and you know our our twitter followers didn't disappointed I want to say again. Moonlight is not a broad. I like. It's not a character. Everybody in the world is familiar with its ally to me reminds me a lot of when they launched guardians of the galaxy like Peter Quilt needed it to be nailed casting wise for that to work and they nailed it. You know it's you know Ironman thor the these these are characters that yes it's great that they nailed the casting but these are well known characters that people sort of know their characteristics with M- night he's so niche like whoever whoever they get really has to knock it out of the park it has to be right and I'll take it a step further and say Moon Knight has been very inconsistently recently written in characterize within the comic books for pretty much since his at the outset he was actually introduced as a villain and then he was in a a lot of serious grim gritty comics and then more recently. He's been you know. It's been more about eight. Oh his mental health issues yeah he's been all over the manly ah some hyper violent comics in any Ed like the Bendix Ryan which was almost Kinda goofy so really it's a lot of it depends appropriate casting on what tone they're. GonNa try and hit. Is it going to be like the daredevil series where it's going to be like a real gritty street level series or is it going to be more about you know his mental instability which I think would be a very different show require different actor to pull that off me too so this is what our this is what our listener said so I tag Dr Tony Ortega on this one and I I. I think he thought I was recommending that he be midnight in his response was I hi can play crazy just not whiteside gender and heterosexual and then I think he realized I wasn't asking him to play midnight in. He's he came back and said channing tatum interesting all he's never gotten his gambling movie off the ground so I guess this is shot number two. He is also kind of falling on off the map. Since twenty two jump street we had what what is the lasting channing tatum did. I don't even know he spent the better like a a better part of a half decade trying to get that game movie main move now. It's never going to happen. I I'm sure he's I think he's going to all of this in production and stuff which may or may not have worked out for him but Franken a couple of weeks ago took a poop all over the Jupiter Jupiter ascending after three three four four five years ago that was supposed to be the start of another franchise which didn't really work in Netflix Keith recommending it to me. I'm like I don't know what it is. I watch Netflix he thinks I don't know anybody watches on Netflix. That's what movie they want to say. We got a lot of Kiana Jonah Reeves. He's my is my favourite. He's my favorite pick as well I think he could. It's weird you know it's very weird because we just spent like a couple the minutes talking about how the actor really needs to nail it and Moon Knight's got the DISA- disability of personality disorder and all that and you really need it actor with some range range. KEANU REEVES IS I love him but is not known for range so it's an interesting i. I don't know why I think it's so well. I think I think if they I think they go with counties. It's going to have to be like the dark and gritty midnight so that one you know that we got quite a few of does one of our most loyal followers. Her name is more gain. Kt atmore gain kt on twitter twitter. She said Joseph Gordon Levitt and I was like wow I never thought of that but that could be really good. That's a great pick the John. What the Hell Happened Joseph Gordon Levitt I I think again I think he got involved in some production kind of stuff and he tried tried to get that he had the weird productivity. TV production thing that never really took off and then he just honestly been stuff where he I think he's trying to work with interesting directors but the the things have just bombed you know like that tyrod movie with the Robertson Meccas movie just to just work using that lousy Oliver Stone movie about a about Snowden is actually very good at it. Yeah I don't. I'm not just not Oliver Stone Fan but I think he just and then he was also trying to get salmon off the ground and that didn't work out either so you know I think it's cut now. You've got to after his listed three that. I have tried to get a complex thing off the ground. It worked out for them so that's why they're popping up to now. He's now. He's podcasting just like us the laughter life through Tom Hardy out there. I feel you can throw Tom Hardy off exactly and it weren't that seems doc ID huge longshot especially with with him and ban on. Here's another one here's another one that really that really. I never thought of but it could work because I think there's another guy that's tasked to being a superhero movie. At some point our friends over at the coach do d'oro parlay our podcast said armie hammer well. He's another one he's on that list to John. I mean there was a lot of rumors of being green lantern in Justice League movie. I feel like there was something else that he was attached to a compromise for awhile. I think he's actually wasn't he actually cast in the in George Miller's Justice League movie that was like two days from shooting. Yes I think you're right. I think he was superman. Superman US something he's been certainly has the look for a of use leading man hero type I've never I haven't seen that movie we know that got nominated for the Oscar last year with the with the candidate so I like. Rem always great in a in a social network as I remember people pitching him to play Steve Rogers back in the day which wouldn't have been crazy. Now I mean he has a look for that too and he's he's still got tall. Yeah I still think Gotcha I still think Chuck's brother-in-law should have been captain. America Captain Awesome Captain Ause cheers to comics podcast ask throughout a sadistic split James mcavoy. I don't think it's too close to the x men also. I also don't see I don't. I don't find him intimidating but he said he's pretty. It was pretty fucked up split. Yeah be so tight. I guess I mean it could good work I. I had another thought What do you guys think about Jon Hamm Different. Take a lot older so be a little more of like seasoned and yeah I I think Jon Hamm's missed the missed the boat yeah he's no older than Kiana reeves these younger gotta make to be quite honest. I can't believe he hasn't been in something to this to this point. I think he could. I don't know I think his I think his comic sensibilities could actually help depending goal which way they go with the character and he's certainly got the Chisel jaw line Chris Chavez at n nerds zero four said he was really hoping it was going to be kit. Get Harry Tin but me too but he's happy nonetheless. It'll get to see him. In Eternal. I kind of feel like the Black Knight announcement was a letdown. I would've loved love to see kit as midnight. I was one hundred percent convinced that comparison was going to be Wolverine like convinced body type wise theatric probably Pittsburgh Wolverine. He's small. He's got them semi beard thing going on so so that my favorite one guy is my favorite one. I know you're both in Shit on this that somebody throughout today and I wouldn't have you given me a hundred opinions. I never would hit this button as soon as somebody said it. I was like yes Shiloh booth yeah. I knew I knew you were going to say that because I saw that I saw all that come across and I would be I would be in on that. I think he is sort of a denial but I think he's he's is really not. He has D nozzle yet. He's a Douche. I mean he acts like but he's he's got talent. He's there's no. There's no doubt doubt about that. I mean the MCI has stayed very far away from quote Unquote Difficult Actors Ray in the two that they had Ed Norton and Carrots Howard. They unloaded after one movie so if has turned his mental state around and easy game team to get with the program and kind of be frankly accompanied man which he wasn't with the transformers movies by the time the third one came around. I think he'd actually would be pretty good because he's he actually is a really good actor. I I think you saw this movie. You saw that he was in his tank movie. Were to recall. Fury also really good with with if you're interested and he was really good in it. You know using this like other thing. I saw him like this. Western we we. I think Tom Hardy within two really good in that as well. He's actually a really good actor. Just an Asshole I I actually didn't move review a couple of weeks ago for a movie that's out in limited release right now called peanut butter. Falcon and he was fucking sensational in it it was it was a very of mice and men ish kind of story where he sort of befriend. Zick a kid with down syndrome and it was was he was so good like reminded me that he's really good actor and I think you know as far as his career where it is now. I think he'd be you know. As far as the opportunities has this would be a good opportunity for him whereas Kiana got a lot going on and and might not be as available. Obviously Tom Hardy's pretty much much in the non start with him being venom stuff like that but so whereas I think shy would actually be someone might be keen on this opportunity. They need the money so just officially moving forward. I want you a proclaiming right now. I'm on the Sheila Booth Train for Moon Knight well. I don't know if anybody tweeted tweeted this at US frank but I was on twitter today. Looking at what people are saying about midnight and one of the things that made my pants feel a little tighter was people people are suggesting. Janssen echoes as a candidate which would make very happy man is. It looks like his onscreen brother has got a television role lined up so he has to get one lined up to yeah exactly yeah. What's that role that he's playing. We'll reboot of Walker Texas ranger. Oh Yeah right jared. That's a good that's gonNA. That's GONNA do well. They're eliminating the Texas. Ranger part of the show will just be called Walker but it's an interesting. It's an interesting choice so build you remember last week. You made a comment about how crazy some of Dr fans slash twitter followers are so probably are craziest listener at Lewis Underscore Ream Whoopie Goldberg as Moon Knight Yeah Yeah that'd be that'd be a very different take unconventional yesterday unconventional mentioned. She's going to be busy though next year. Why she's she was cast as she's in just mother? Abigail understand that's right. I have to say with Moon Knight because because he's his character has been so so inconsistent he is one of the characters I think I would least mind if they'd made some major changes in casting like I would not be at all opposed to a good. You know black actor or something like that. I think this is one of the ones where I don't think that there's a lot of sort of continuity that they have to live up to so I think the expectation exactly he turned like sort of the same way with the terminals like it's cool to the cast all these people but like nobody has any idea whether any of that castings accurate like no one cares. That's why attorneys was such a good. It's time for Marvel. That's one of them. One of them is is either Gayer by you know. Kumail Nangiani is obviously Pakistani like so that was they took that opportunity and ran with it. They could do the same with midnight. What do you guys think the chances are that they go with flights an unknown Charlie Cox or a you know a Michael Coulter like level I think I think the chances are pretty high like they could definitely do that. I think they've earned the benefit of the doubt that if like some unknown comes into audition room and just crushes it than we should trust. Ross them but that being said I mean there's so much nerd love around this series that I feel like it's going to be somebody. I have a feeling somebody with a name. I don't know why but I I do. I feel the same way about she. Actually I know won't be Whoopi Goldberg now. We'll although wouldn't it be crazy if they cast. Whoopi Goldberg as Moon Knight and then in the last episode it was revealed that was all the whole thing was sister act three three Sister Act Three Moon Knight but speaking of black actors taking on historically white comic book roles I saw today or yesterday might have been last night there rumors. They're heavily considering actor's name. Yeah Jeffrey Right to Play Commissioner Gordon in the Batman I really liked Jeffrey Wright as an actor I don't know I I have such a image of what Commissioner Gordon is supposed to look like in my head and that that one to me is tough. As much as I think he's a great actor. I have a hard time divorcing myself from like the typical sort of moustachioed glasses white guy. I mean essentially Gary Oldman essentially looked exactly like what. I imagined Jim going to look like yeah he did but I mean. It's not just amazing because he looked exactly what I thought. Sirius Blackwood look like Yeah Gary Oldman's quite a chameleon but I don't know what do you. How do you feel about Jeffey right. I don't know what when I first saw it. I was like I feel like this this next this next. Batman Franchise is whatever it's going to be. It's going to be so different and if they're doing the Nawar thing and I kind of like it. I mean he's awesome after he's a he's a super he's. He's a super cool actor. I I don't actually I don't have a problem with it. I don't think I have a problem with it. I'm I'm a liberal and you know me build Gordon's one of my favourite ancillary characters in comic books. I you know to me. It's it's not to be a good Gordon. It's more about the actor being solid than you know in a red head and having a mustache and what do you think John. You know. Just I want Jeffrey does it. I don't want him to play his standard. Jeffrey Wright character which is this like very mellow laconically back guy like he was when he was Felix lighter in the bond movies and kind of Westworld and the even is in like the second the hunger games movie. I think Gordon needs a little more personality than that and he he tends if play the sport of Nuri professor kind of character. I don't really want him to be that way because that's not that doesn't it. Gordon but he's a good enough actor. I think he has arranged it just that those are the roles even recently the kind of pop out to me so again. I don't think this this is a character where I've like has to be a white male. You know that's that's not you know. He's a very kind of character but not to that point you. You know we're just I think it would do to totally throw throw the movie off so I'm not not opposed to it. you know they also somewhat depends how integral integral. Gordon is the plot and how we whether it's more like the J. K. Simmons gone or it's going to be more like a a real me media role. Gary Oldman had I agree with that. I do think he's yeah. He's got a he's got a play different that he normally plays for sure and if it's a director noir thing like we're being told it is. I feel like Gordon will be fairly prominent I do too. He's also very prominent in you know in Batman Year one and Batman the long Halloween which seems like long Halloween is going to be a touchstone for this movie as it was for Batman begins ends so so I think he is going to be someone integral to the to the PLA is not just going to be kind of your show up at the bat signal offer a couple of scenes in that's it so I'm speaking of Batman. I'm really interested to hear what both you guys think about. The recent Jonah Hill News well when that news first came out that he was talking to Matt raise about being in the movie people were sort of speculating what villain he would play most people thinking. He was either going to be penguin a ridler. I certainly came. I came down. Penguins side not just because physically I feel like it's more of a match but I don't know I just saw saw him as penguin more but then we got sort of confirmation today that he is in talks to play the riddler which God I don't know I don't know I don't know if I like that. just sort of the Joan. Hill vibe doesn't really doesn't really scream ridler to me. I don't know aw I will say Jonah. Hill surprise me like three or four different times now in his weird career so I'm certainly not gonNA write it offer. Kill it but it's not it's not who I was imagining for the ridler Johnny Yeah. I'm not opposed because I do liked Jonah Hill. I think he's been very good as a serious actor in a way I really didn't expect there. You'll be able to pull off. I love Super Bad but I pretty much. I thought that was what Jonah Hill could do is be EMESA throw again and he's actually managed to really diversify his career and eat and do some really interesting things that I've I've enjoyed so but I very much agree with you bill. This is not what I pictured for the Ridler and it's not you know doc nothing that he's done is Bruce Afar leasing to believe he'd be particularly good in the role but nothing that he's done his career. Let me let me to believe he'd be as good as he wasn't moneyball so alive. It could just be that. I'm I'm not giving him enough credit yeah. That's that's pretty much where I fall like. It's not just his whole. Even even something is weird is like his voice doesn't work for me as the Ridler but I dunno I can certainly you know Oh. I've been wrong a lot so I mean I'm not. I'm not above admitting I'm wrong. Once it comes out. Would you guys watch that blink and you missed it netflixing. I think he was in with Emma Stone he was really weird off the wall which pleasingly that someone some casting agent or Matt raise watched it and thought that's why he. CBS Good is the ridler because he definitely like this kind of depressed semi psychotic guy he had to do a lot of different roles goals in it because the plot of the movie involved going into their minds and reenacting these like lives and memories that they had so I I don't know I. I just think it's a really weird weird angle to come out with the casting me to agree what Frank. What do you think you're the big bad head yeah. I don't like it just come out and say. I don't like him as the riddler. I don't like him as the Penguin I don't. I'm not join a hill fan. I'm not saying that he won't prove me wrong. I'd rather them cast him in him. Be Good because I wanted to be a good Batman movie. I don't want to see him fail but it doesn't excite me like I'm not I didn't hear that I wasn't like oh I just I was like okay well at the wait and see on this one. I media media. Just I don't know that the Comic Book Universe Cinematic World World Needs Jonah Hill in it I just I I. I just feel like there's so many you better people out there to play the riddler. you know I starting you know listen. I just said I'm I'm cool with Jeffrey Right. You Know Robert. Pattinson like took me a couple of weeks to swallow that one like a starting to get like what's the director's name Mary Yeah. I'm starting to get like all right. Dude like we get it. You'RE GONNA cast off the wall. Shit in every casting decision you make nick is going to be a headline for people to talk about leading up to the movie like and and it's just it's it's starting to be a little much. It's you know I don't know I. This one is tough for me to this. One is tough I I. I don't like it. I'll give a hot care. which is is that? I did not like Jonah Hill at all the wolf of Wall Street. I thought he was like overacting and chewing scenery and I do not want that energy in this Batman movie yeah. I know I agree with that. I kind of agree with everything you said. I mean I'm not gonNA. I think Matt raises a really good director so I don't not not not downing but but but I also think Ryan Wilson is a really good director and he got so caught up in his own shit when making the last Jedi. I fucked Ho movie up and I I I'm not questioning. That raises is a good director. I still think the movie is going to be good. It's I'm hoping it's great because I want a great Batman movie. Out in the world I just I don't know why it's a new Batman. It's a new Batman Franchise. Why do we have to. I don't know it just seems like a lot of theatrics in the casting. I don't know I I I was a big fan of the patents in casting right away away so I think he's a really talented actor twilight aside this was the first time like Jeffrey Wright is fine nine. This is the first time that I've been like 'cause all you know what makes it worse to me. What makes Jonah Hill's kind of more of more. Is the rumors of people they were considering before him. Were all really great like I really liked the as far as I know there were three people that were bandied about as the ruler David tennant which is God would be amazing Eddie Redman who would also be amazing. Oh God he'd be great and Ramming Malik from Mister Robot who would be sort of another inspired sort of choice He's my least least-favoured those three but I think tenant already read may be amazing so to have those gotTa know whether those guys were actually on the radar or not or just like fans going crazy easy but I don't know I would rather see in any of those guy. Johnny Hill seems like kind of a you know. I'm a little deflated but again I don't unlike him but and I agree with John. About the wolf of Wall Street but I also agree with John that like he was fucking fantastic moneyball. I didn't see coming at all so you maybe I'll maybe this'll be another case like that all right Johnny and bill so the Emmys were two nights ago and there was a lot of there's a lot of controversial winners so I thought that'd be fun kind of do like a lightning round type thing where I just kinda run down some of the main categories and a name the nominees and then one okay you guys give me like you the immediate thoughts pop in your head. Okay okay all right so I up outstanding comedy series Barry Fleabag the Marvelous Mazel Mazel Russian doll deep in Shits Creek the winner being fleabag. I'm sorry I forgot the good place to nominate. The group should win this every year that the place is on television. Wow interesting I I also also I mean I I watched the first season fleabag. I thought it was UK but there are a couple. I think Barry's really good. Thank Shits. Creek is really good. I think doc veep is tremendous but I also. I probably go with the good place here. I think that's the good place is going to end after next year and it's like take the most heinous underrated sitcom ever never watched an episode. It's really good dude. Catch up on Netflix man. It's totally worth worth fit has really worth it. It's really worth it at some Ted Danson. He's so good Ted Danson so good I mean I feel like if anybody has a proven track record as a you know as show runner and room producer for sitcoms. Mike sure I mean unless you unless you wanted to crazy people that doesn't like parks and REC and those who will actually exist now if they they should be shot okay guys next supporting actress in drama Julia Garner from Ozark Fiona Shaw from killing Eve Lena Heady Heady Maisy Williams Gwendolyn Christie and Sophie Turner all from game of thrones the winner being Julia Garner from those are the I hate Mrs why you don't want to have multiple people from the show nominated donated in a category cannibalize each other so who should have one in my mind. I my heart wants to wants to say maisy Mazey Williams because I love her but actually think of all those people for this past season of television that they are voting on. I want to say the Sophie Turner yeah either early in a heavily or you know which is almost like a body of work for how good she was throughout that show right. I guess I was thinking seriously I think had better. I like more meaty stuff in previous seasons. I think this was the you know. The culmination of or the biggest change we saw in Santa was toward the end and I thought so turned crushed at this year. That's why would I give it to all right. Outstanding Drama series this is US better call aw game of thrones ozark pose bodyguard killing eve in succession the winner game of thrones so for me. I'm curious whether John will agree this to me is an emmy for the show's IOS body of work. I mean seven was not strong. It might have been the worst season of the entire show that being said none. None of those other shows actually really jump out to me is like wow. They really should have won. I agree with that. Actually I really love ozark idea to we shit Julia Garner in the last category. She's very good but I think the game of thrones people wanted them deserved it but yeah. I guess that's that's. That's one way to look at it. There's nothing on that list. That really jumps out at me that like it's a it's a clear cut and to be honest. Game of thrones probably does deserve it for it's body of work. It's a revolutionary television. Show supporting actor in a drama series Allen from game of thrones Jean Carlo Carlo Esposito from better call Saul Chris Sullivan from this US Peter Dink Lidge from game of thrones Michael Michael Kelly from house of Cards Jonathan Banks from better call Saul in how do you say Jamie Lancaster's name Nikolai Koster Waldo L. Yes the winner being Peter Dink Lynch yeah I again. I think that's a and he's gotten one before for playing Tyrian but to me. That's another legacy body of work award cause. I don't think the last season was Stiglitz's Stiglitz's strongest by a long shot for going to give it to anybody in that category probably would lean toward Jamie I thought he had the better stuff in the last season. Yeah I don't know what do you think John. I think I would have given us a Jamie as well. I think he was I think he he he had the biggest arc as a character honestly of anybody on on the show even though he has a bird in the last two episodes. I do want to shout out to Alfie Allen. He was really good in the last season lead AC. Oh really good doesn't get you an emmy bill. Now doesn't lead actress in a drama series Laura Linney ozark Mandy Moore this this is US Jodi comber killing Eve Sandra L. Killing Eve Viola Davis had to get away with murder Emilia Clarke game of thrones in Robin Wright House of cards the winter jody comber killing Eve That's bullshit to me like she's great killing to me as wildly overrated. I've watched both seasons that I can watch. They should have been a million Clark's award yeah. I'm not I mean. She's not a fantastic actress but I don't think she ever one for the body work for that show and I don't again. I it's Kinda. I the Emmy's in general you know some of they just don't always nominate the right. People and none of those people really really popped out to me. Either honestly newly-acquired probably the most of all the other thing that popped out to me when frank was reading those nominees when I heard Mandy Moore the first first thing I was thinking of is that John went to a walk to remember by himself as I do not live in a world or manny Moore's Emmy winner and that is a good thing because I've seen a walk remember and she doesn't deserve one lead actor in a drama series billy porter pose Bob Odenkirk. They'll call saw aw Kit Harrington game of Thrones Sterling K. Brown. This is US Milo Ventimiglia. This is US Jason Bateman Ozark the winner the billy porter pose yeah well I mean I don't want to criticize because the moment we're living in but I mean the the risk of sounding repetitive. I would've given this ticket. Harrington I think he by four had the toughest I mean it. Kinda was carrying the show at this point carrying the show with a ton of expectations even if it didn't meet them. I've thought I never thought it was his. He was great so I would have given it to him. Second close second to Jason Bateman who I think is tremendous knows arc I just love Jason Bateman so but I prob- I would've gone with Jon snow the Emmys no nothing I would have gone with Jason Bateman and I think he's great knows arc. He's very heavily involved behind the camera in front of the camera on that show it's it. It seems like it doesn't have the critical reception that frankly it should have is really good and he is in ninety percent of the scenes of the show. He's really great in emiss- The show I also say if you don't get to this category that please watch the GIF of Yup Jason Bateman winning best director for Ozark. Those are in his reaction because it's fucking hilarious in his Jason Bateman. Meadow one is tremendous Michael Blue. It's most Michael Blue reaction ever the lead actress in a comedy series Christina applegate dead to me Rachel Brosnahan Rosina hand the marvelous marvelous. Mrs Mazel phoebe Waller Bridge fleabag Natasha Leone Russian doll Catherine O'hare Shits Creek Julia Louis Dreyfuss veep deep the winner fleabag phoebe Waller Bridge I got hot. Take on this one. I don't know if you have watched it but I would have given this. Natasha Leone tone for a Russian doll inter. I yeah show is tremendous so that shows about it's like groundhog. Ugh Day right kind of yet. She's she's like this. Yes she's like this party girl and she keeps reliving the same crazy night that ends in her death over and over again and she she has to act the same scenes. 'cause it's not like groundhog day the whole day. It's like literally like a two hour window aw so she has to like reenact the same scenes over and over again and it is I think she is absolutely tremendous and also like Jon said about Jason Bateman. She's very heavily involved the writing and producing directing of the show. I was so incredibly impressed by I mean. I never thought that she he had that kind of thing in her so I would. I would go with her on this. One also none of the other people super pop outta me Kristen Bell's not nominated which stupid so Catherine O'Hara's amazing and Shits Creek. Yeah that's true. She is great. Yeah I agree with that. You know this is a scene by omission and Kristen. Bell is not even nominated here. That's insane. Supporting actress in a comedy series Alex Pristine the Marvelous Mrs Mazel Olivia Coleman fleabag Seen Clifford fleabag Kate McKinnon Saturday night live Betty Gilpin glow. Oh Sarah Goldberg Berry in a chums veep merrin Hinkel the Marvelous Mrs Mazel the winner Alex Burstein the Marvelous Mrs Mazel and for those of you that now Alex has also also lowest from family guy and she's also from Mad TV. I honestly I'm not sure that I give two shits. I don't know that I have an opinion. I'm I was GONNA say that having watched Bo seasons of that show. That's not nearly as good as people seem to think it is that the her humor is very specific guy said about how you know. Some people seem to really enjoy the comedy stylings of Jacob Battle on in this spiderman movies in on that one of them at Alex foreseen is very much the same way. I'm not one of those people yeah I agree supporting actor in a comedy series Anthony Kerrigan Barry Tony Hale Veep Alan Arkin the Kamensky method Tony Shalhoub the Marvelous Mrs Mazel Stephen Root Berry Henry Winkler bury the winner Tony Shalhoub the Marvelous Mrs Mazel. Oh no I mean. Don't get me wrong. I really like Tony Shalhoub but did he really another at me at this point and especially for that show like I I. I just don't understand this. Who was the guy who was the WHO's the guy after the the first guy from Barry Tony Hale Buster her yet. That's the and that's why we give it to. I think he's the Julia drivers. I mean she's a transcendent talent at this point like she's Lucille ball of this generation but second to her on that show is Tony L. He's so funny lead actor in a comedy series Anthony Anderson blackish Michael Douglas the Kaminsky method Ted Danson the good place don cheadle black Monday Eugene Levy Shits Creek and Bill Hader bury the winner bill hader berry I am. I'm not going to hate on Bill Hader winning too much because I really love him. I think Barry's another one that's I. I like it but it's a Tad overrated to me. It's not that good. Would that being said here this to me. This is Ted Danson every day of the week twice on Sunday. Yeah I love to dance really really good in a good point still funny. I think that's the last I think that's the last major category yeah I do want to see I would like to John pointed out. How do we okay okay. Let's talk about directing. I'm sorry Jason Bateman one yeah Jason Bateman one and listen to some of the hitter's up Ryan's right DB Weiss David Benny off both from game of thrones David Nutter Gamer thrown thrones Adam McKay not from the laughter life from Anchorman Right I mean I don't know the other people but will the other guy I count. Mig will support. Yes the long naive perversity director who shot the game of thrones episode. You couldn't see anything yeah so that to me. It was funny. I'm like I don't understand. I don't understand how he got nominated for. I don't understand but I that is tremendous tremendous work. I mean that's in a night. That had a lot of shocking winners. That was arguably the biggest upset you can tell I mean besides the fact that Jason Being Jason Bateman when you see his reaction you can tell that he's like what the fuck just happened. Everybody around him goes nuts and he just sits there. At the most Michael Blew the expression on his face ever really worth watching I mean I think you could say that. He got this because the there were like three a game of thrones directors by against each other and they cancel each other out David Nutter. Maybe make the argument that he actually deserved this one but I'm just really happy for Jason. Bateman and I and I was wearing the shuttle on so yeah I agree. I mean David. The long night was one of my favorite episodes in the series is definitely the best episodes of of the seventh season. It's it's not hard to make the case for John's right and it's not hard to make the case for another there will not are actually you was nominated for a night of the seven kingdoms which is my favorite episode of the season. I think Josh was the one that directed long night rank or my yellowknife wait a minute. We Man Yeah I got the wrong. I got mixed up. Yeah you know another got nominated for the last of the starks interesting. Maybe I'm wrong lousy directly. It was the one that was the name of the one before the night before for the battle. That was the night of the seven kingdoms. The one where bran gets that's that that was my favorite part of this. That was my favorite seven seasons well so we just don't know who directed one episode of Game of thrones but we're really saying I'm just looking real quick Yeah David. I did direct a night of the kingdoms. It's just not the one he was nominated for. which is crazy that is that is fucking crazy all right so the fall? TV season is upon us. I go into it with a little aside going into it to be honest because I kind of in the streaming world. We live in where things are premiering three hundred sixty five days a year. Now now I kind of miss you know ten fifteen years ago when the fall TV premieres were such a big deal and you know the traditional network model will astill dominant. I kind of miss that maybe it's my last couple of weeks that I spent binging on friends. That made me miss it. I don't know but I feel like it's such a different landscape now but that being said still there is a fall premiere season and there's no one more knowledgeable about said season season than our guest tonight John Beaver. I WanNa talk about returning shows and new shows. Let's start with what are we. What are you you excited about that's brand new a new show coming on whether it be on a traditional network like NBC ABC Fox CBS S. or something on cable. What's what's what's blowing your skirt. Let's gives johnny a Boehner. That's right well. What gets me hard guys so I just want to say bill totally agree with you is very weird to be like an annual in this generation where like the fall dates don't don't matter. I don't want us for you but as a subscriber to of entertainment weekly for the entirety of the nineteen ninety s the two issues I used to get it's about were the summer movie preview and the DEL TV preview and it's Kinda snap either. We don't live in that age anymore but you know I still watch all the all all the network pilots just to just to see what I like. I don't like and I've been doing it for the last five or six years so so i. I'm probably one of the only ones left. It doesn't get paid for at this point but I do know there's. I've watched three of them so far. Two of them were atrociously bad. One of them was pretty good. MM-HMM I watched all rise which stars Misty Knight from from from Luke cage and it was fucking terrible visit visit Jimmy Smits do now that's on bluff city law which also premiered that not a chance to watch yet which is also looks terrible honestly but I'll give it a shot yeah all rise literally in the first five minutes a bailiff in the courtroom. Kobe gun on Misty Knight and then the other ballot shot him. I was like Oh yeah that's that happens in courtrooms all the time sure that was on CBS which you know shockingly anyway a legal dramas on CBS. I know everyone's just astounded with Bob. Hold on a show so is all rise did not make Janis Boehner Rice. It did not make Janis Boehner rise in the slightest there was some random actors in it that I got a chuckle out sounds like Marc Hogan Burger in her fiftieth television show and this the night of course but but yeah it was it was fucking bed and then I watched another. CBS Show a Sitcom called Bob Hearts shola which was also atrociously bad. It was chuck low ratio so you pretty much. I know exactly the like Sitcom Beach. You'RE GONNA get a Chuck Laurie show at this point you know if you've seen two episodes of either Big Bang theory or two and a half man you know exactly what you're getting here and had the guy from Mike and Molly in it so it was like your standard down the line a CBS show the are getting more diverse so didn't have they lead black actress than the as did arise so CBS isn't quite the White Bread station that used to be so that's something I guess and then I watched the uniform which doesn't actually premiere until Thursday but it dropped online yesterday so I watch that and that's got wall Goggin in it so I'm going to give it a shot. Regardless just won't and Gaba channels out on Johnny the Unicorn is also on CBS so I was kind of surprised to say that I liked something on CBS. I'd had the vibe like parenthood even though it's a half hour sitcom but it's a single camera so there's no laugh track and you know it's Walton Goggin so you know I'm I'm GonNa. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go down. That road allowed great yeah so I can't picture well coggins in a fucking Sitcom. I mean great fucking great in a vice principals. He has a real comedy touch but this one is actually more like yeah he does comedy almost more like the straight man a little bit in more like a family drama which was very much not while unguarded as to me but you really good so what so what is there anything coming up the fall that you have not watched yet that has buzz around it or that. You were just looking forward to watching yeah so I think stump town premieres tomorrow night. I'm sorry I'm looking at it and looking at the schedule right now. I really WANNA watch that so some some town has Kobe smoulders you know agent hill slash how I met your mother and Johnson who Robert about the end Jay Johnson Nick Miller from a from new girl who I fucking love he's also made see also absolutely stole Spiderman into the spider verse so I I love Jay Johnson and that's based on a graphic novel that I have never read by Greg rocket which so obviously the comical gallant also gets the pumps for that one. I love Russia just saying yes awesome yes sir. I've never read town of you or I've never read sometime. I read the the vampire book he did which I I'm saying I love it. I can't remember what it's called now and then he actually has a series of novels that I was a huge fan of about about a Hitman so he's pretty. I like rock and I love. I love Kobe smoulders. That was one where I watched the first look trailer. Oh extended sneak peek kind of thing. I was really interested in that one yes so that one's on ABC and I'm definitely I don't the plot wise. It's like you know she's a private investigator in Portland but she also has a gambling problem mm so it could be it could be interesting and I think you know again. I think Greg rocket being you know behind the scenes on this one and also the source material is promising thing and a Lotta Times at some of these these pilots you know it's really because of the way because of the nature of how pilots are shot and how you don't know what you're gonNA series. When you make a pilots you have to keep your fingers crossed. You have to make these really awkward. Pilots that explain things and then the second of episode has to explain everything they can be kind of unbearable to watch and don't always indicate issue is going to be good or not so I'm looking forward to seeing the pilot and seeing how it is but that's definitely one I I'm actually excited about for the fall and also another show also on CBS shockingly called evil which is by the the folks who made the the good wife which was not actually show a super into but it does start luke cage as one of the leads in it's kind of like a x-files ish supernatural thing where he's a a priest in training and he and he like he teams up with this psychologist who's like a lapsed. Catholic and she's like like the scully to his shoulder a bike hunt down these like supernatural cases where the Catholic Church and it's got some pretty good pedigree with you know with the good wife and the good fight being some pretty well regarded if not always highly rated shows and it seems like it's really out of the wheelhouse of the Kings who made those shows but it could be interesting and I like my culture in Luke Cage and Jessica John so I'm I support. I support his career moving forward that premieres. I think on Thursday night on C. B. S. so John did you watch. Have you watched it last night but I run out of time. did you watch prodigal son. DVR It. I did not have time to watch those that bluff city law. I did not watch actually Michael Sheen alive. That was my number three. I wasn't sure how how much time we had to go through shows. I was semi excited about but that was my number. Three show is excited about that one. I liked the conceit of that show. I mean it's ludicrous but I I like it. I like Michael Sheehan so I watch him. Read the phone book yeah definitely like a little bit silence of the lambs. Yes for fresh off by you know but you know that doesn't mean it's necessarily bad for sure the other one. I was Kinda curious about. I think it premiered tonight. John was called emergence. Did you hear anything about that yeah. you know that's like a it's on Internet premiere on. ABC actually airing right now. I think that's the one that's the one with the plane crash in the superpowers yet which I'm definitely going to give a shot as well I liked Allison tolman. Is You know I it could be good. It could be one of those blink and you miss it. SCIFI shows the networks tried out to try and find that lost money and it never works out linked to manifest fast yeah which I think actually got renewed. Yeah that's coming back and I think didn't blindspot last. That's the lawn I think this might be. Its final season but it's like seven years right. Yeah I was pretty surprised at last as long as they did to Just how many can she possibly have they could solve crimes with ah the blacklist is still going to write. Your black list is coming back. It's crazy but yeah I like Allison Allison tolman and also Turkeys in that show Donald face on so. I'm going to watch it. It's right given Turks in work. I mentor yeah all right. That's a good that's a nice little across section of new shows for people listen. I like how I look. How Weird Shit is always the result of plane crash of course of course. It's never like a ferry was a train unbreakable. That's true so johnny. Are there any other ones or is that it for you that Mike sure has a new sitcom com called sunnyside with Calapan. I don't really think the plot sounds very interesting. He's like this disgraced politician that starts helping immigrants you know get into the get their green cards or something which sounds like super topical but I do as we mentioned previously in Mike sure I trust somebody because I I want to shot an end. You know I'm like were Bradley. Whitford career but pervert army does not sound appealing L. I just and then I cannot believe that Patricia Heaton is getting another Sitcom where she apparently plays a woman a woman who becomes a like doctor medical intern in her her fifty s or whatever issue is God knows unsurprising. That's on CBS as well so that's one of the ones I'm not looking for. It was rather go to the dentist than watch that show honestly. I think all rise in Carroll Second Act which is what that show is called are going to be the two worst pilots. I'm going to watch this this year all right right so that's a pretty good cross section for listeners of some new things to check out. What about what what's got you most geeked out as far as returning returning shows. I know what my number my. The thing I'm looking forward to the most is I now I mean I have two things I'm superpower about well really three things so there's two shows going into their final seasons that I absolutely adore one of which is a good place and the other is supernatural all right so I you know I have literally been watching supernatural for over a third of my life at this point so I'm going to be bit. It'd be very bittersweet sweet to see them ended but I really hope it goes out with a bang and a good place is always full of surprises as far as like you know big events events obviously the crisis on infinity. Earth's I think is the one that that did that. You're Jones and so franken so am I and that also leads into another new show which is bad woman knowing that I didn't I didn't talk about but so which we all also got kind of a teaser on with last year's big crossover. I think the woman is GonNa Suck Past. Yeah did not get a good vibe from the IT. We got last year at all but you know so so I'm I'm super excited about crisis on infinite earths. I think it's it's I think think it's GonNa be just awesome especially all the shit they're lining up with Tom. Welling Tin and Eric Durant's and it's GonNa be awesome article emphatically not Michael Rosenbaum right out of their way to not very Michael Rosenbaum back he you probably didn't see they asked him and he he said Go. Fuck yourself really yeah. Apparently he put it out on twitter. He made them look really bad. He was like he was down in Florida visiting family. They called him and said we don't have a script. We don't know how big your part is. We don't know when you're shooting it. We can't pay you much you. You want to do it and he was like no but I will say so watching season seven of the Arrow once it got to the second half of that season. I was like Yep. It's time to wrap this thing up. I thought the second half of that season was so slow and boring. A hole jump forward to the future was a hated hated it and then they I saw today that there's going to be a spin off to aero yeah about his his in a felicity daughter which I'm like. No thank you good well. It's not sure it doesn't matter. I'm good well. It's it's the three it's headlined by Katie Cassidy who I like and then it's got the other check. I can't remember her name that plays the other version of black canary and then Oliver employees daughter. It's the three in sort of like a birds of prey ish thing so. It's like the canaries canaries in the coal mine or something well not. I won't be watching it and so anyway. That was my feelings on season seven however I will say I'm going to be Super Sad AC- Stephen Mel go. I love the guy but now I think they're set it up to be pretty pretty awesome awesome so I'm looking forward to that. I'm definitely agree with you. There's a reason I did not mention Arrow in my like final seasons. I'm super pumped about. I appreciate especially especially Stephen Amal and the university created by the show's frankly it kind of had a bit of resurgence a couple of seasons ago you know with a Damian dark season and the following season where they export a lot of like first season themes about Oliver skills in your killing possibly and and then just really took turn hasn't been hasn't been kind of a struggle to get through and not in like a you know turn it around after one season the waste log but just like when are they gonna end this which is sad because I I enjoyed the show so much earlier season yeah but I'm excited I mean I think I think the flashes similar. I think they went through. They went they went through some valleys but I felt last season was pretty good leading into a this big crisis season coming out. I haven't watched flash in two seasons. Flash is still pretty good. It's better flashes always better when it's light it. Is You know it's got to be the the comedic side to arrows gritty side when they tried to get when when Barry got depressed the show is not fun to watch when those scripts do grant gosden no favors in Barry Allen either but whenever Ralph is on screen. It's actually pretty good. I also love all versions of Harrison. Wells that Tom Cavanagh plays he's great and then my track record on super girls very spotty. I I haven't watched every episode I pretty much out on. I actually did end up watching it over the summer and it was like must be topical about trump agree. Ah The honestly the best show out of the Arrow Verse Spawn Shows Probably Legends Tomorrow Laura Most Fun. I Love I love. Let's bury with Constantine. I love it too. I'm very sad. Brand Ruth is leaving though yes US agree I don't. I don't really understand why they said they don't have anywhere to go with his character which just crazy me but I'm disappointed in that but that show is just so loopy. Iran distant so like giving up on what they tried to do in the first season lean into the ridiculousness that it's it's a lot defined as long as you have said about titans how you just have to the first episode might be thrown off and then you're like Oh. This is what they're doing so now that I've accepted. This is what they're doing into this. I feel like legends is the same way like that's a show where they can go and and made George Lucas and it's totally fine so johnny you're saying for your returning shows than the only ones you're really excited about our supernatural the good place it was the third one. I mean I'm I'm I'm excited for a lot of stuff that I watch you know or have watched. Those are the ones I was just most excited about where a supernatural in the good place for their final seasons I do watch a couple of procedures as I get older on actually really enjoy the Nathan fillion show the rookie out which barely barely got renewed but I I I really like it and you know again the way things are so fragmented now it's just really and I think a lot of actors are just like I can go do twelve episodes on FX or Netflix or something and get paid just as much not have this crazy work schedule like the twenty two episode things you know so. I think a lot on the quality is frankly moved away from the networks unfortunately other a few other shows that I watch that I watch on the networks pretty he regularly. I do enjoy the good doctor for some reason to bury watches. I kind of like how do you know he has autism instead of being curmudgeon addicts but but I kind of enjoy anyway honestly looking at the snow like most of the stuff. I'm excited to see come back is stuff. That's involved with the crisis crossover or you know the good place. I'm also getting older and I'm almost the shamefully excited about the final season of criminal minds which I've watched for ten years and I I also I watch watch Chicago. PD relatively religiously. I don't know why but I do and I like it. You can do a whole three hour. Block of Chicago based emergency correctly services if you wanted to try. I tried to do the whole thing. I tried to hold Chicago Dang but I don't I just never I could never really stick with and it's not even necessarily a generational thing because you know there's a lot of people even younger than us that will lead his love turning on USA am watching law and order. Svu reruns and I'm just don't really get it but you know I'm not I can't. I can't invested in procedural so I just can't do it. They they made a point this passage of the Chicago shows John of they had mercy hardy gay crossover into Chicago. PD so they're all on the same. I guess surprised by that or bet. Mariscal heartache will pretty much do anything at this point for predictable. I mean she's GonNa break. The gunsmoke record right and it's just insane so yeah. I can't think of anything alison super excited for for the fall. As far as network shows you know I'm sure there's a lot of streaming things things that are more exciting Franklin than some of the shows we talked about but I think crisis the most exciting thing by far honestly I'm GONNA check out. I'M GONNA check out products yeah. I'M GONNA check that out for for me for me this season this television season is all about sue. Bradford like I'm really excited for crisis. Hopefully it'll fuck it up too bad. I'm really excited excited to see Tom. Welling Brandon Ralph and the other dude the place superman all the same time. That'll be really fine but for me. This is all about supernatural natural like John I've been I've been watching supernatural since I was twenty five years old. I'm going to be forty one in two weeks. That's ridiculous. It's a ridiculous amount of time for John. Rachelle like supernatural and just like I know frank you never got into it or stuck with it but the evolution of that show from what it started as to what it is is nothing short of it's unreal Bennett lasted this long and that has been dependable. I'm really sad. I hope it goes to either way. I'm going to be really sad not to have the winchester's in my life anymore. I haven't end of the era kind of show like this. Since like smallville friends went off the Air Oslo is far as something that really was like a big part of my life for this large chunk of time. Maybe lost yeah and game of thrones. Maybe it hasn't been that long but this is like Smallville is the closest this thing I guess because it's ten years of John. Ratio friends was a very broad Sitcom comping but you're x-files something like that lasted such a long time. fifteen years is astonishing for a paranormal science fiction each show with the same two actors yeah. It's unbelievable all right well. I know I speak for bill. When I WANNA say Johnny. Thank you for coming on again in being a voice of reason on this the chaotic circus that is billing for pub culture hope you had a good time. How it's my pleasure man. I I always have a great time chatting with you guys for for hour and a half straight. It's exhausting soaked in sweat right now. Just worked marathon we have we we've talked before frank about. You should really stop furiously masturbating while we do this. I know I I you know it's even weirder when by dogs watching me through the door but the yeah you know it's funny so earlier today I I sent out a tweet because I got home from work and I sent got a tweet and I just asked like what's the first thing everybody does when they get home from work in there. I had multiple responses that said take my bra off okay I I just I guess I never i. Maybe I don't CARE I. I like a selfish person. I never realized like the BRA was such a a like uncomfortable. I gotta get this thing off kind of thing. I would've thought it'd be like high heels for froth-pak man whatever man women women really don't have it easy. Okay Bill Jesus Christ I mean I can't imagine walking around in high heels all day. They'll just seems ridiculous to me. I can and all right Jagger so so anyway Jamie thanks again man really appreciate it bill. You got anything else you want to say yeah. I know I'm all talked out all right so let's wrap it up then the usual. You know what I'd do is if if it ever deeper so I finished my binge of ten seasons of friends today. I want people in the interwebs. give me some suggestions for something to binge next. Prefer something funny because usually these are things that I watch go to sleep so I want suggestions on what what Sitcom preferably something fairly long running. I should go for next. Anybody hit us up hit me up. Does it have to be streaming or are you going to not get it could be anything it can be. As long as I can get it on. I mean I I have access to Netflix Hulu Amazon prime so wherever I can grab it. I like superstar alive. That's actually still running but and that's been on for like five or six years really. Maybe I'll check. That out happened for six years. I think this is it's like he's going into its fifth or sixth season the now it's going to his fifth season. Yeah Pretty well-thought-out too yeah. It's pretty good. I was thinking about rewatching chuck but I want. I want some suggestions from people in the world all right well. I'm sure sure I'm sure our loyal twitter basil will come to your aid bill as they always do so speaking of twitter check US OUT ON AT B. The F. E. Pop culture on twitter. Follow US Leica Sri Tweet US drop in say Hi Telescope Fuck Ourselves. you know this whole podcast thing. I'm really like enjoying the twitter like I'm having a lot of fun with it. I like talking to people so oh keep bringing the two guys and the other thing I wanted to point out. Was You know we we lost a member of the The podcast family today pod coin is no longer yeah so you know you're going to have to find it somewhere else. I know we got a we had a lot of listeners in subscribers on pod coin but you know hey we're on overcast ron cast box. We're on POD chaser. You know all three of those guys are pretty cool pretty cool APPs and of course all the big guys apple Google. Will you know stitcher you name it spotify by download one of those APPs. 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#189 Costumes of Superman

Krypton Report: The Supergirl Podcast

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#189 Costumes of Superman

"As it. Is Jason J. Louis. The Voice of Superman on Justice League action smarten. Wade while. You're listening to the crypt on report chain you're listening to. The all things for Tony podcast including Superman and super. We discussed teams. Cartoons to. Find the FACEBOOK instagram. Youtube and twitter. Welcome to the Krypton report. has a special PRI Halloween ish I guess gift I don't know this time of year. I was thinking you costumes and wanting. Cost play. This will be the coolest. Time you know to to this episode that I had on my mind for a while I actually built. Made. This little reference powerpoint here months and months and months ago just on a whim sitting board in my Car Geneva was doing something in a store So we're GONNA talk about Superman suits. And we're GONNA try to represent as much different common variations as we can. There's an infinite number of little variation, the comics. So we're looking at live action in a few of the comic books were. But as always I am your hostess. Who boasts. About. Nothingness. Tyler, and with me, it's always my other half the superman of read the mighty man, the muscles, the strength teams. Just Watch. Beetlejuice is that what you got going on here Sounds like hippy now. Actually they don't know just like watching. Different stuff with the kids so just. You know stuff just comes to you. Yeah. Well. It's spooky seasoning or Halloween. Last from like September first until. Thanksgiving. So we'll. Buki season last. saw the whole time. So. A nightmare before Christmas season kicks off October first and runs toe. December thirty first. Bagley, like at Walmart, we were there yesterday. And of course, they've already started putting out the Christmas decorations and they have a nice little pocket where it's the Halloween decorations in the Halloween decorations end. With nightmare before Christmas. And then right next to the nightmare before Christmas Christmas decorations, and that's where the Christmas decorations. While that's clever I'm sure that's not I'm sure that's not. Everywhere think that was. Specifically that soar. I'M NOT GONNA. Give Walmart credit. That's a good way to transition us. Cute. I'm listening to give this store some credit like yeah. So. But Hey, let's kick off. A good photo fashion. Costume, discussion. So here we go. All right. So we're pulling up our little sly tyrian. The first one that we see his ray middleton, you got that up James. Yes. So, this is a colorized. Photo of Ray Middleton from the world's fair. And I'm going to put this slide show up when the episode drops. So people can see. But Ray here is wearing. Blue. It looks. When I look at this, I like the old Halloween costumes, kind of plastic. How his like s shield is like it's it's black with the red s but it all looks payments straight triangle with the largest. Even sitting here and says Superman honor it and like the boost like somebody route plastic around shoups. They may do this. Listen a very like I mean this is the kind of homemake Hossam. Your mom makes you grow quickly you feel like, Superman. Went around your house is even like the Yellow Bell is like looks like just A. Liquid those old military style belts painted. Like, yellow. Yeah looks like it even has the trunks Kinda. Popping up and hanging over the top of it. Yeah and That's I. Mean That's just. Kind of what it is you know. That was that was race you know really quick interpretation and. There was. A real first costume though you know what I mean outside of comics and cartoons so Horrible you look at action comics number one, it's. Pretty true to form so. I give it a pass. You know I'm not going to hate on it like it's just it's one of those pieces of of history and it's nice to see in. I, you know everyone should check it out. A whole lot to go over with it but I mean, I give it a pass. Yeah does I mean if it does kind of have. Like the more. Like shape and the black behind the s was back then. Like it was in the comics like it was in the Fleischer cartoons. Speaking of Fleischer cartoons. That's our next slide. Because it's the only real big difference that was in animated. Style especially for the time this. This is our next introductory to the character. For anybody. WHO's thinking on time line the nineteen, forty, one Fleischer cartoons and I have always loved this simple. You know the thin gold outline, the black, and then that just popping bright. Red S. And And the Cape is just just down to the knees I was actually getting ready to say that you know. It's something that we get to our more of our live actions continent bring up what is your preferred style of Cape And I you will continue with this but the the the Fleischer cartoon is just beautiful like the look of him in the cartoon. It's amazing. I mean there really is. No other way of saying. Oh absolutely. I mean they you know they took inspiration from the Fleischer cartoons for. Like this. And George Reeves. Will the Clark Kent Look and then then the pos the hands on the hips and Even the way the light shines from behind and everything. So it was makes it more interesting when we get to? The next one, which is the Kirk Allen. Suit, which is the first. Films Live Action. And of course, being shot in black and white eight. His suit. Is Very hard to tell I mean. It looks more along the lines. Okay. If you look at his shirt. If you look at his costume. They look very like a A. Shirt, a thermal. Style. Type Shirt. Yeah it's it's literally just got your your stretchy your elastic, a wrist cuffs that you have on most any long-sleeve shirt. Me Even, to this day. And it's one of those I'm like. Okay, you know like. All right. And what color were the suits when they filmed them in in black and white weren't they like? Like grey and Brown or something like that. Yeah. When they film them black line because. The blue and the red didn't show up like black and white like that. Yeah. It looked muddier in. So the US grace. ooh With like a brown boots trump's in Cape. and. Look. Like a shield. How it's like compressed. And it has that really kind of. Flow through raise the first. Thing about this is your first introduction to the shield in here we have five. The deamond. Estimates of the shield now being represented in live action. and S that actually goes from like top to bottom and completely from side to side you know more of what we will come to know. And let me say the is the Cape, is at the knee. Now, we're GONNA jump over to George Reeves here, and this is a colorized version because the the show related starting black and white. And then went to color I disliked the colorized because I love I. Love the colorization Asian process for like old television and things the way it just POPs. It just looks like. Bright yet if you ever watch Any older films that were done in A. Crap not it was not cars a technical process. But when they converted on like when they actually. Converted into blu-ray like it's just such a unique. Pop to it because. They overdid the color when they first went to color they want everything that's brightest postles when you get that like. One example is the old errol Flynn. Adventures of Robin Hood. It was re masterful boulay. Looks Awesome. because. Of just how the colors pop. And like here's an example. So looking at Georgia's suit, it's very similar to kirks. Except George Fills, it'll be better more of a bigger build. George had a bigger build but Kirk actually had more of A. A taper. Physique to his frame. Yes he did. Well George was known to be a smoker and a drinker and things like that. He was not. He was not necessarily superman outside of the suit one thing yet to notice his his. His Cape is thinner and longer. Like if you look at Kirks if you go back, his Cape is whiter, it's wider on his frame has the need you look Georgia's it doesn't really go past his body. And his Cape stops just a little bit below the boot. And he had his boots are about they're not knee high they're like mid range boots. And they're pretty close to two thirds of three quarters of the way up Shen. Yeah. Yeah. So I find that interesting I don't like the. CAPE. Will Start picking apart things what we like I don't like his Cape. The length is fine but I don't like the fitness of it. And how just comes out of the collar and and it's really thin across it doesn't it doesn't drop out over his shoulders Yup. It's like it's doing Cape but not wanting to do the Cape. Yeah. So. The Shield is very much the same. It's it's very interesting because this guy. Like. The negative space is a Filipino way larger with the way it compresses in moves inside. His S. it's a little bit fatter. Fatter S. Crest so it's something to of take note it's. Its distinctive. His is when you place it against all the others. So as we go through and you look at it you by. George or the George Kirk because they George Kirk. Star Trek reference. She's about how that flows. So. All. Right. Now are the horrible. This. Makes me cry I had to put it here because this is podcast this is David Wilson. Who we probably maybe mentioned once from the. One I'm familiar with this is from the television. Production of it's a bird. It's a plane at Superman. Horrible And his suit looks very just. Over the counter, but it's not really. Do that but I mean the boots look alright. To cave once again is right above the knee. That's why. But they say ads shorter than shorter than all of them. Yup Not even to the knee? Yeah above the knee. And I think that's more for the performance. Wise. But that Simba's horrid. Interesting. But look how much negative space is. In the kids, it's more fragmentary law. It's a very long diamond shape. There's there's barely Aslan at the top for the for the top two points on the left and the right. It's very long to the point very small like it doesn't expand out. But Yeah we'll just keep moving on this suit is not A. Homemade like the best like look at the s on the belt. s like with superglue or something. So we're listening we're going to bypass him and we're going to Bob Holiday. Who is the Creator? stage. Of the original see little history on it. D- it's a bird. It's a plane. It's Superman was performed I actually have a whole episode one day I'm going to do on A. Stage musical and then they adapted and change it and tried to quote unquote modernize it for the TV special. So the TV special is not an exact representation of what was done on stage. But Bob Holiday was the superman of the stage. And honestly his suits not bad. Like it looks comfortable to be a long term you need a stage in front of a live audience. The Cape. Is Actually. Pretty. Pretty good like it comes down past the knee but above. The boot. Just, brakes knee. It's it's not as wide. AS WE'VE SEEN CURB Jan David's but not. Finish George. Not As long as David. the belt looks good I mean it's it's straight on through the trunks. Look good. The got the red loops on the bell. Now it's nice and yellow all the way through, and then you have the larger shield. That takes up more whole chest. It's not fitting. You know he's not a out of shape man. But. He's not ripped. But it's looks good in the suit. You know one thing I wanted to point out about like back at George, his trunks dimos. I hate to use the word diaper, but like George Risi can said before he thought bring diaper outside like a very high waistline too. Yep didn't help. Your time. Yeah I give Bob Holidays Pass I like it. Like. This if this, if this was a homemade suit, like this is a really good classic homemade suit, it would have been. Little on the television. Series. So now move keep moving forward. They would have been an improvement on Georgia's suit from from the from the show. Yeah. So now the next suit is none other than. The Great Chris. and. Frankly, his suits. Awesome. Okay and not much changes wake. We could really like tell from a lot of photographs between Superman two. Three four there are some changes in material and stuff, but it's all very some of the same suit. His boots always looked bigger to me. I think than what they are. because 'cause they come up really high, but they have really really deep kite in them. That makes him not look. It's it's all the way up over the calf. It's not quite to the knee, but it's all the way up over the cash. Yeah. It's like his nieve since perfectly in the decrease of the boot. I will say I'm not. Picky but the bill always little to plastic he for me not as much like a belt. But the the Cape looks great on his shoulders. The, s crest. Just as immaculate. And then once again we're at. where it's like right like right below the knee. The top of the boot. Yeah and you know Chris had the Christmas the first one to actually like develop a physique to fit the suit to. To actually look like. Superman did. Not, just not just suck in the gut and have some padded shoulders like there was no padding in crisis suit no least at least in his physique. Just joking. The. The best. He looked in the suit and then like in shape wise wasn't superman three. Say, what you want that move a he looked the best. And Superman. Three More, years you train you know the. The better. You look I mean when you when you got Tom Welling. in shape for the first, you know for four or so years like. He's developing muscle. He's he's He's cut in the scenes he needs to be cut when he's got when when they have them do shirtless scenes and stuff. But then by the time you get five, six, seven, eight, and nine. Like he's just big. Because it takes you know because. Training I five, six, seven, eight years. To. Maintain a physique you are naturally going to build. Muscle he he put on forget what he said he put on over the ten years of training. There was an interview and I can't remember what it was because it was quite a while ago. Now, you know that shows offering off the air for nine years. But. You know he said he'd probably and he probably put on twenty pounds of muscle by just you know having to train and stay in shape for the role. Naturally going to happen watch I mean you watch that we just we did just watch the pilot and he's he's more like. Lanky for lack of letter term. You know he's more kind of like. Know. What do you call it? then. Any anything. You would see later like as the series goes all he said he gets bigger and bulkier like those middle years. And I mean like you said the more you do it. Wasn't hugh. Jackman from looks the best physical in the Wolverine. A. Because he basically did. That are days of future past. Yeah. He wants the best because he did the Wolverine then went straight into filming days a feature passed. So he had to keep doing the routine for so long. Just, just built upon with the already had. And he he got big for the well, he tried to put on muscle to for the role of. Real. Steel to look like a boxer. So he tried to. Did. In. Between a cup inbetween which film I can't remember which ones specifically he. Trained, to gain some weight train to get bigger and and have more muscle. So then he put on muscle and then he had to get shredded again to play Wolverine. So then you know after what fifteen years of training hard training he was he was jacked by the time he he did his scenes in days a future passed. He got he got huge from X. men one to X. Men two. But then you add another ten years on top of that thirteen years on top of that. He frigging, yeah, he he was. He was a specimen and when it came down to it through caught him a huge Jackman. Huge, Jackman. Could press thousand pounds. Does not. Surprise me. Even. For his for his small legs is because he's tall, you know he he was strong. Men are just. I don't know what to do to to accomplish those goals, but you know. It's hard with. And when you don't. Get. Paid to work out four hours a day and have a team around you to make it happen Kit. I mean. Are you gonNA taste, indication, but dedication center vice but I think can also be considered to collect for some things when you have to take care of your kids. Yeah you. Are just taking care of your family but speaking Jack Chris boom there's a picture right there. The next suit we have is the evil superman. Some people say Bizarro I'm not really sure 'cause I don't recall a Bizarro Superman but the darker version of Superman from Superman three. And? The costume is basically the same darker like it's more of a Maroon ish dirt read with a darker blue and I kind of like the blue. To be honest with you because I feel that Christmas regular shoots much more of Scottish blue, very light blue I i. Kinda liked it a little bit slightly darker blue. but in this photo of the evil been, you can see how. He is. How much how much bigger he had gotten? And so. Does just there for reference moving on the next one is super boy. And I think actually my slides backwards. So I'm GonNa just that here because it should be. John Newton. I. Think my slides in the show rightfully backwards. and. John Newton suit. Is. It's modeled. For Super Boy, the first super way of season one after. The Chris suit same producers, the blue is a little bit. More off blue. But it's not really much of a liar blue just more of A. Otter shade of blue. Like everything here's like really good. Chris toppy. The Cape is This time. Halfway down to the calf. I'd say. What do you think? I mean I kind of like the Cape You know halfway down halfway down his shin. Along Cape. I. Like the way the Cape drapes over his out over his shoulders. I mean maybe the shield is a little low. A. Little Low. Alike along Cape. I like the color of the I like the color of the blue. I, like that color a little better than than like the Gerard. Christopher blew. Me I think I think his suit. If the s was up about two inches. It will probably be. Near perfect classic looking sue like reefs. Yeah. So you said Gerard. His. Gerard's costume is pretty similar. But the CAPE IS BACK to being wider. And shorter and has a little bit more of it's not an angle. Belykh is not straight across there's like A. Flow to almost like A. A rounded end if you look at Johns. And the past few case that we've seen they've all been like stop. A lot of ways Gerard is a little bit more like David Wilson's has that rounded. Part. And I said, it's it's, wider. His symbol is bigger and you can tell the colorization of is blue is different. And we'll get more information hopefully soon about these costumes as be talking with my friend. Sam Who actually owns? Some of the costumes. Really. Yes. That's cool. So I like Gerard's bodysuit and I like his boots. Sorry I think there's like a boots always kind of difficult I don't like the Cape. A personal thing, it's too short i. So. ADDS, it's more. Rounded nece mean it goes to just to the top of the calf. But yeah, it's that roundedness that it looks like it has. At the bottom. That's probably. That's mostly that's most of what makes it look not as good. So the next one. Is the lowest and Clark Dean Cain. Heil it. and. Because the customer and the pilot is not the one that continues on in this series, there are some. Variations. So looking at it. First of all, I'm going to say I hate the boots. Boots. Yeah, they look like they don't fit they look like. They're overly clinging be like. Just look too big and bulky and. They look almost like they were last minute grabs because they don't vote they flow with like the colors of the rest of the red but like. They don't match the red of the rest of the suit. And, the front is points up as opposed to kind of like a cut that crease that goes down. Do you like the bigger symbol though? It's very prominent, very large. This is now we're in John Byrne territory. I do like I do like the bigger symbol. That Dean had throughout the entire. Series it did have a larger symbol. The pilot the way the Cape. Attached. Over the shoulders and to the front. menas reminiscent of like Tyler's Cape. Now. In on the CW. But also like. The way the way, the neckline of the suit it was like really far down. Down on his chest. So like that pushes the whole thing down like that makes the symbol go down farther. With a similar BELLYBUTTON. I mean, it nearly is, and so the biggest thing visually right off the bat is the shoulder for the Cape. His when we now will we jump to the next slide which is? Referred to as version two. It's completely different. Like it's the same boots. But the body suit looks. Like the same body suit. And the belt looks the same the trunks look the same. But that symbol of still big it's higher up. Now the neckline is different than we have more than standard tucked in. CAPE. which looks so much better. Yeah. It's like it's like I've seen costume. It's like when people do their costumes or cost play or. Maybe even what they do on some of these shows that. Is Not. The Cape is not attached to the Shirt Cape is not attached to the suit. It's actually like you put the Capon. And you slip your arms through and it and it actually hooks on to your body to your shoulders, you slide your arms through. Yes and then you put the shirt on the Cape comes out and so it's actually connected to your body and it actually can't be pulled offer anything. Yet but the. Word Souder. Yeah. Yeah. Goes into the sue and it looks like it's tucked into the suit. And it's attached shitty inside I. Think I think that is how it looks. Like that that look a lot better you. I'm not a fan of his belt. You're the gave him the very square look and just you know I understand the belts kind of their break-up, the color. The trump's are smaller. Than what we had. Previously of since even we mentioned Gerard's trunks cut slimmer than what John's were. Right all that's gone from the eighties to the nineties and stuff too you know. But. I. Know other than I like the Cape the case that material for the Cape always looked good because I felt very breezy Fli. And White Avenue and lightweight. But just the biggest thing about his suit that I don't like is the boots. So here's our first specialty costume. which is Dean Cain third costume, which is his Crypto Nian in his version of kind of the black suit in season. I believe or is it season for? The beginning of season for. Spin it's been a long time I hadn't gotten. Caught up on against still I, watched it when I watched the Janine I were watching you just straight through we first moved in. It was coming in the background. We just went straight through it. I'm some of the stuff runs together. But it's sawed black he has black boots and blend in really well, like the black boots looked good except for the blue toasts. Home. He has blue cuffs. And then he has just a giant. Blue. Shield. Like the outline is blue. Is Blue. It's big and it's prominent. and. It looks good. I mean, it fits deans physique and shows off and. For an alternate costume I like it for a trip Tony in style costume. Just, Kinda neat. Different Hunter Representation. It's always kind of NEAT cassie the idea the superman costume without a Cape. Yeah I mean. I mean it's like the first representation of a black suit immune as one of the first alternate suits you've ever gotten. So. I mean the blue, the blue stands out. Really good. It stands out from the black and. I I do like. I do like some super suits that. Don't have the Cape. Liquor next one. Right. I do like some suits that don't have the. I mean, I like different variations of Superman suit. Obviously that's why we're talking about him. So it's come to see how it's translated through time like you know I think it's interesting. That I'm sitting here, looking at picture over on my shelf of the return of super where he's wearing, it's the scene where he's back and he's wearing a black suit and he's running with super bowl a behind him and steal. He's got the Big Silver S. As one. It's interesting like why dean suit wasn't done like that why the blue you now. Now, we're GONNA move onto the greatest cost place you of all time. And that is from SMALLVILLE. Tom Welling in blue shirt red jacket or red shirt blue jacket. Dum. Dum Dum. Like the easiest cost play ever the one that jeans boots and. The one you kind of just fall into don't realize you're doing, and then you're like man cost plan superman today or the one I kind of do every day of my life like. Blue Shirt though the traffic. Right, the unofficial suit like at was kind of like Oh. That's kind of neat like kind of a wink like is when a blue t shirt with a rake to. Cool. Cool. And then as a red, a blue jacket. Okay. Who and then of course, how they did Bizarro as they put him in like a darker red shirt and darker blue jacket? Yeah. Because then at that point Clark was always in the blue shirt red jacket. Yeah. Constantly like you almost never saw him without it. You know it kind of got like old. Okay. Clark ever changes closed like visit you owner giant. Bill. What happened what happened to the farm boy who wore plaid all the time? My favorite is there's an episode in season one that I reviewed for always hold on. Smallville, and he's wearing a yellow flannel. About lost my junk quashes. Has More than like two two shirts like we were pointing out the other day in Washington, the pilot and then I watched like the next day I. watched a few more episodes season one with the kids like he wore his like Brown jacket and he had his plan will. No and then they just got laziness you know. Blue share red jacket blue shirt red jacket, blue jacket until season nine. We get. The blurred her outfit. Know where he likes supposed to be done being Clark and he's just now. where it's basically a black, it's his black costume. Big Thick blabs. Matrix. Neo Quirky decision having sunglasses but it's basically him wearing a black trenchcoat. Black. Jeans with sick motorcycle black. Boots. Black. T., shirt with a grey spray painted symbol. Well I mean it's it's the the idea of it like. Being all black and having having the grey symbol on the shirt is the idea of. When season ended. Doomsday didn't kill Superman, but in all in for all intents and purposes for Clarke. Clarke was dead. Yes. Cow And he was only the bler. So so it was like it was the symbolic changing from the colors to the black and silver like he did in the comics when he came back exactly it's symbolic. Yeah I just like he's just spray painted, but it's the first time he's the symbol. Right, which I like David Cool for Smallville and what they were trying to accomplish in A. it's another easy fun cost play to make. Just, walk around and then the next. It was cool and it has its place in the series and. In the. Pantheon of Superman. Figure of it. Because, then I would round out have all three of my smallville figures that would be awesome. I have my let's petition McFarland to do it. We're already working on Val side here. Okay. One I can't get enough superman figures man. That tells me. That I can't. Write. The next one is my favorite. Not, just because I have this jacket, hang up behind me. and. My wife is amazing but it's Yeah. I agree Christmas morning I would have. Pain Leather Jacket though yeah you do. I. Would have taken my wife and. Spit marital relational time with her had it not been the relatives around and it was Christmas morning. I was so overly Jewish. Inserts your insert the boys favorite line insert my favorite line from the bookcase. Season to. Listeners do the woodland, but I like this look at seven season two. There you go. Check it out. It's still red shirt or blue shirt red jacket. But it's neat because now here's a dark. Blue Jean. In like Sylla's bulkier boots. A red motorcycle jacket with his symbol on it and I like this because. This was the smallville super suit. Like. This was his superman suit on smallville and I I liked it a lot. I have a really cool picture of him in the suit on my wall because. I. Thought it was awesome. You know the shirt is a lighter blue. Very much sky blue. And if you looked at like you about the costuming Smallville. Cyborg Green Arrow? Flash. And this jacket thorough hoodie ZIP based. You know Oliver's is like a vest. Is like a zipper on like A. A. Wet suit wet. You. So this jacket fits that style of all kind of being like hoodie jumpsuit athletic wear. and. Had he suited up quote unquote? In, crisis. This is what I wish. I would've liked to have seen him do. This felt a little bit more true to me to character than the actual super suit. He would quote unquote tried to put on. Yeah. I mean they did you know in the in the show they did give him the the actual superman suit. In the finale like name no, he never wore it was referenced that he has the soup the actual superman suit. Took it and put it in the fortress. Until you before it. took the suit that Martha made from from him and said, you know what? Screw you this you're not ready for it. Yet I kind of weird mother. Earth, mother gave this to you but I say, ready Kinda. Honestly. Like from your point of view I, kind of wish that this jacket would appeared a little earlier. the one dade. One maybe like if he would've award or something at the last episode of season nine like has like a rebirth symbol where he's fighting Zahed instead of still being lake where he was. Or. Like he got her at the start of season ten because he gets like a couple of episodes in it just comes out of nowhere. He just comes walking down a hall. Go. Yeah. He walks out onto the roof, the roof of the watchtower there, and he's in this. It's pretty early on in season ten when he gets in this but then he doesn't wear it that often throughout season ten either no, he doesn't. Wash season ten, just to see this, the the jacket about to put it on a ship for put it on what we did this and took pictures myself walking around the house. Tomorrow Boarding. So the next suit and we kind of did we were doing. But I thought you know compressing all the Smallville together was the best way to do it. Is Brandon routh for. Superman. Returns. And flat out I. Will Say Right now I hate to Cape Material I hate the boots. I don't like the darker ray-ban liked to trump style. And I actually really liked this belt. This is my favorite belt. To be, honest. And? Symbols pretty symbols pretty unique. It probably could be at a Scottish bigger. The blue looks really good. Read does the read the like Maroon I was didn't like that I thought it was too dark. The yellow isn't like a bright yellow. It's almost like a gold ish yellow, which I liked. The material look great except for the Cape You know it just looked too heavy it does not. Come up again it looks just to leather a bulky heavy. It doesn't look comfortable won't be it'll would float in the air. What we need it to. So. I'll always liked the blue colorization. Though. But I like the blue of the Superman returns suit. It's my second favorite colored suit of modern time right now. It's very interesting to with this suit. You know when you actually got real when you get close up images of the suit like there's little S.'s all over the things which I don't like that that was dead and two thousand. Everything, Scott Lake. Texture thinks Spiderman which I take it back Michael Wilkinson if I, remember eight would later go on and do like. You know. Superman immense steel and everything. So Yeah. So and everything you know everything in that movie so much in that movie being so beautiful to look at and the suit having the things that it does and it and making it not as good to look at. It's like man like what what happened there Because no matter what that that was a beautiful movie. Got You. Know I'll always always give it that the cinematography and the art and the direction. The. The. Visuals was it was a gorgeous looking movie. To watch it with the sound off and just look at it. Does the one thing about it makes me sad is. Is We call it. It's so beautiful to watch but like the story. WAS SPLIT was. So. Moving on now I. Have our next big jump. Is the man of steel suit. And I picked this photo because I love this photo. His a little bit. It's during the smallville where it's all more natural lighting. which is my favorite scene of the movie. Took my favorite fight scene of the movie. which is like it's like the way like the pre climax climax like it's the mid scene if you're looking at your pacing, but it can almost be like the big battle, but it's not you know. Here's what I'll say about this suit. I liked the cape, but it's too long. I don't like how much extra fabric like elephant if he stepped back, he's step on it and fall. We know that in the film, most of the time, the Cape, a CG except for some shots like this one here. Which I think to keep us too long. It's neat like the ideas are first. Major Superman suit non trump's. The boots they're made from the same material as the suit, which is part of what they were going forward with the being like a second skin under. A bodysuit, the creep. Tony and war. I liked the cuffs kind of just breaks up. The the suit is a little bit texture of it's a little too dark the blue I chose this one because it's not as dark as people think when you see in the natural lighting. But it is a little too dark. Yeah. They they D- saturated some of they saturated the colors in the film. So it makes it look darker than it is. So it's not that dark. the. The the waste like. Around the sides in in the middle like right along the waste like I never had a problem with that. But like the way it kind of comes off at the buckle in like. Goes up underneath the arms like all the way up to the Latte and everything I was like was like what's that that the same way I feel about going down the leg? Had, had we seen like maybe giral in this like his we seem quickly and his body suit like this but if we had seen maybe how the armor connection works. It serves some port toy armor connects on the trip, Tony or something. Different. But we really didn't see how the armor. Connected to the suit. The the top part like it's very like it's At the caller line. To where it stops? And, the CAPE GOES OUT FROM IT rubbery. It is the cavaliers ripped, but this does has more it's not it's skin tight, but it doesn't it has padding in it. Somewhat, I think this one less than what will get to. The boots have the VK. But if you notice, it only had the one stripe. Am A little a little less than like. Say. Justice League. Because when we go to the bvs one here soon, like cavill was even bigger. Oh, come justice come devious than he wasn't manner steel and I mean you know the man of steel seeing when he comes running out of the water after the oil rigs seen I mean the guys just massive. Theater. In your mean, you realize no, I should work out. Like that, it's like it's like that tic TAC I got shared and I shared to you guys. Won't be that Jack But. I could be a little bit. Better you know so. Then you'll be healthier. That's the main point i. The attract the sexual attraction is definitely a plus but being healthier as the more important I have to. Pick up everything. So yeah. Absolutely so just connecting to that one. We never get a great shot of it, but we get the black suit in this film. and. It's in the nightmare scene in it. So quickly that it's almost blinking. But I did want reference 'cause we will get to see a better. Coming up. You know here because when I made the slide, they hadn't released. Snyder cut but the black suit. it looks good. It's just I mean it's it's like solid black. You know like it's black with a silver. Yeah. that. You would of think it's black everywhere much means exactly the way that Zaid and Richard Citron and all the other people. Right, well, it's it's interesting. Honestly when you think about it, 'cause like all of the suits from of steel they were all black like Zahed and everybody on. Krypton this this nightmare scene for for cal in man of steel their all black. The ship. and. When he gets the black and silver suit. From The crypt Tony Ship that Tony and ship is twenty thousand years old. So. Twenty thousand years ago they had a little bit of color that's where the the blue and the red came from. So back then they had some color and as time has progressed, they've become even more cold, even more sterile and. And they're like flat black you know what? I mean. So I light type. Gets it. I mean, there's a little bit of silverish looking at the pictures of the upcoming. Style to his black suit it's still it's still pretty dark. You know and you're right because even like Durrell. Durrell suits a dark blue with a black symbol when he? Is on the back of Harare. But. With Harakah Harakah stand by the ape restaurants Bro. You know sort of. Like Sh. But no, you're absolutely right because you know it's worth pointing out like how it was and I always felt like the ship it would been Kinda neat if they had done some sort of dial wise. His suit if you just heard like Kelly tight voice like. You know like as if they had the suit within. The. They put the symbol of whoever? House it was you know right onto it. So I thought that was that was the one that was the one thing I was wrong about when it came to be the S., and then further on I thought the ship was going to be was going to be his fortress of solitude. In the Arctic in the middle of nowhere well, the fact that it crashed, and then that's where it stayed was in the city like is it still going to be able to be his fortress in oh? Because, because it was only his fortress four whatever time between the time he flew it out of the ice. Took it exactly. That was it. You know he didn't haven't anything beyond that. I mean, he died after you know after eighteen months but still. Some. More out of it. Yeah. But now get into the evs suit which. Out of all travel suits, I like this one the most. Yeah. This is my favorite. It's a brighter blue which I liked. The. Symbol more prominent. Those like there's there's the gold. Gold Square on the little bit more gold on the hips for like illusion of the belts. there's a light blue I prefer the risk designs from the main steel suit. To this one ounce nitpicking but that's what we're doing. Yeah I the Cape is still you know a long looks great when he's walking now. Expanding there. But it it seems impractical because it's like it's dragging on the ground. And what's what's interesting? It doesn't wise but you know so it doesn't go as wide as you would think. You know it's not as an was George, but it's not as wide as some of the others. I like the symbol be more pronounced to goal the reds in this one though like has little bit more. In the legs, it feels gets more padded. Even though Henry's jacked as he is and I wonder if sometimes. Creating the padding on the suit helps with like stunt doubles. To keep a very same look in shape. like if they put more padding in the stunt doubles costume to match like the actor or you know what whatever? makes. Sense so that. Kinda helps keep the same shape so that you know The shots look the same because I mean I've seen the scenes of like behind the scenes of Henry stunt double and everything, and he doesn't look as big as Henry, but it's hard to tell his brain the costume you know. So it makes you just kind of wonder. But you know this one definitely has more of. It's more sculpted than the Manziel suit was. Yeah. That's probably. And that's probably more more if than than more padding. It's more just to look more sculpted. Than it did before you know. So I. Like this one. The boot now has like the double like. At the top. Yes. Which I think looks fine I like it. So serving onto. One version of the Justice League. The Justice League theatrical version because we could call it. and. We've had discussions about this where. It's a brighter blue. It looks more sculpted because I don't think Henry was as. And as great option, he's in great shape but not like the Jack shape that he was because this was. Later. For All issues we've talked at length about how you feel like everything. He did was sheets in that film. A couple of scenes. Near early every single close up and and almost everything he says is reshot. It looks like it has more silver tone to it which I mean it should be a little bit different just because you know this is him back now that we know what we know about. Certain things in the production makes me Kinda wonder. Well they do have a special feature on the Justice League where they do talk about his suit and everything and they're the underneath Su there's actually an underneath suit and it has like a chrome underlay of muscles. So all the muscles have this chrome. Are All sculpted with chrome look to them a like a A shine over them so that when they put the blue body, sue over top of that. It literally shines through. And in my opinion, it looks it looks horrible. Yeah. I agree, I don't let just as the. So. For All for all intents I, mean it looks almost identical to. BBS except for the color and the brightness the and the silver shining through. Absolutely. Correct. So. The. Next suit I put in here was worth mentioning because some changes, but it's Zachary Levi stunt double pretending to be Henrik avalanches am. Wanted to put it in here because there are a few adjustments that actually kind of dig. And that's the red. In the belt. What do you think? I mean I like it. I, it's almost closer to the rebirth, the early rebirth era whereas like just like the red in the middle and then read along the sides. I mean, this is still got the Gold Square in the middle of a gold rectangle in the middle but It kind of looks like it's forming more of a belt. I like the red like this. Because I feel like that's what. It's like a way of honoring the trunks and their colored without actually having to do it. Actually have to do the trump's. Like we said before I. Don't mind the trunks and comics. Live action I think. Trump's are very hard to do Say That hard to do is we'll get there. But I do I do like the use of the red in their? Little married. To the suit. Right. I definitely agree the trunks are. They look they don't look good in live action. I mean it just it looks it looks older. It Looks I don't know some people would say it's classic but those people probably prefer the trunks. They they just look older. They look old style they look out of date. They they can look weird in on in live action. in comics and comics I mean I prefer Superman without the trunks. Different styles, belts what have you to break up the the upper body lower body you know separate at a little bit more color in there you know. Things like that I mean like coming up in future state with John Kent's Superman costume his his completely blue doesn't have any trunks. He's not wearing a cape, but he's got more red in the upper body to more read out across the shoulders in down the arms and everything. So you know he has more red it's not just full blue bodysuit kind of like how these are in live action. Yeah. But it it's. It's straight blew through through from the chest down. There's no trunks. There's no, you know what I mean. So I mean I, prefer it that way. I mean, we'll get to. We'll get to modern comics. We get a little further and I can delve into that just at least my pet peeve on it. When we get there. So the next suit is the two thousand sixteen tyler. Suit? And His, who is interesting? I will say this. Quick I example one. Cape length. All right. Hit. The Cape Material paid the boots like a hate the boots hate the belt. I like the bodysuit the blue bodysuit actually liked the bodysuit. It's got a different feel to it a different texture the actual crest symbol it's it's rubbery but I Like. It looks it looks cool. If you ever look, do you like the do you like the little? Yellow spots on the outside of it. It's like there's four little yellow spots on the. Or corners no on the symbol no, no that that's weird took. It's it's it's. Weird. The way the Cape attach is because it's like the K. pokes within like it still goes around his neck. It's odd. So. But I despise the boots. They looked so big and clunky and like supposedly more new fifty, two style inspired but they just look. Or? Inspired just because they put more lines in it. So. The neckline instead the body students great for the blue. And The color of the blue good. But Yeah I just. The. Other read aesthetics. I'm not a huge fan of. Yeah I mean the Cape is good like you said, looks a little heavy but. The material. Wise. But the length is good because it's it's long but it's not dragging on the ground long. He's not gonNA step on. You know. Bad, the clips, the little yellow on the outside of the symbol i. mean it makes it unique makes it is own. It makes it this version superman. The belt is a little thick. You've got red and gold. Belt makes no sense. The color but honestly like. It makes no sense why he has that. Also, don't know why like the red had to go thin and then has to have gold. Trim. JENN air either. JUSTA, honor I mean I guess like I said a little bit more like the new fifty two, the sum bell was read and. It's it's. I get it and if if we look. I threw in a picture of him in crisis because it's the same suit basically. But it looks darker. The bodysuit looks darker in crisis than it did when he premiered on supergirl. And I just wanted to point that out like it looks like. It's the same suit with a darker blue bodysuit. Just, the big one is when we get to else worlds. which is his black SUV version and. I liked this suit. Yeah. The boots looked good You know. Maybe maybe the maybe the dip, the the. Decrease down the front. Is maybe that's too far down, but it's not like. And that's just nitpicking at it. But they're not the big clunky looking boots all black, the black and silver of the black can silver looks better in this belt style. It even looks better with silver on the little silver spots on the outside of the symbol like the Elo spots. And it has the collar. Like the new fifty, two suit and that's the thing like I, I like about so. I think the. With the collar like in this. I think the caller look scared. The boots look better. There's their sleep. Curious. the kind of material for the bodysuit. In everything. And I think it's IT works team. I didn't put the slide in, but I should have. But look at if you WANNA. Go real quick. Up the Manoel. Suit. How they put Manoel is basically the same suit. except the colors inverse but it's it's a blend. Because I, liked the style of the belt. Of the Mon- LC. It's the same like looks like the same kind of boots. You know it's just a Blue Cape. Now, there's a spot for the shield, but there's no shield You know they re purpose, but it's the same kind of style of the Tyler's suit. For Manoel. Yeah, the the way that tyler suit is it almost looks like the simpler the better you know what I mean the more complex you make this sue the more the the weirder it looks but like Manoel suit like you say it's it's the exact same soup but the colors inverted but there's There's so much less. I mean there there's a little bit less to it and it looks better I like the belt style for the Manoel sued but I wish they had done that belt. When they did. The Black Superman. I think it would've worked. Much. Much better. But We're we have a good feeling we're going to getting. We see you suit here soon. So So the next one and that's what they said. They said that the the suit that he wore was not designed for continuous production like a like a show. So you know they have their, they have to create him a new suit. The Last live action suit and the one that is kind of a counterpoint to a lot of the things we've said, and that's just because they it is the crisis on infinite earth? Brandon Ralph. Kingdom come style suit. and. It's it's a kind of a different style. And I like it. A Lot. Yeah, I. It's it. It's padded. You can see the pattern muscles the symbol. Looks like a symbol on top of the suit, but it looks really good. Material. Looks Good. It's long, but it's not on the ground is. This is my favorite. CAPE. My favorite. Blue Bodysuit. The blue. Looks really good. I mean Brandon Routh, just talk and has huge feet. So the boots just look really big. and. They look not as bad as the suit like I wonder in some ways like they were trying to keep it like this is where the Superman return evolved into. So like the way the. The trunks are cut more like a brief. Yeah. Then like a full on just like. It was before. I think I. Think it looks more like like an actual set of trunks kind of thing less like a like a set of underwear. Yeah. Less and less legs. His tighty whiteys tidy read whatever. Ultimate costume, but it is like I. Love. You know the bell is cool because it's it's different. WHO's now we're not using the gold where using to black. So the blacklist cool with that style of this and. And then the gold belt buckle in the middle. It all comes together. Nicely. And looks great in motion in live, action? The still you can kinda like pick little things apart. But also when you see it in live action and and Brandon routh and motion in, it looks really good. And you know as much as we've said that. Trump's don't work in live action. Well, you know. I can eat words NIEKRO. It's cool. I think with doing the darker tone. Help. And I think the trump work on this suit. And there's also I'm thinking takes a certain. Actor. To characterization. Yes. To to embrace it and they'd be sold off. Like they put trunks on cavill. Question like he would pull it off like. It's kind of like you're not gonNA. Make. Fun and pick on super bad now. Like. No, no. No. Mr Superman certain NOPE NOPE? So I love it but moving on. So moving on, we've kind of we've now completed our live action with our one reference and our top love about an dive into the comics and we're what I call this section is. Major noticeable big comic changes in the past few years. I could rack all day and all the alternate versions of the comics in the suits. It was worth pointing out. So action comics number one. The page I chose shows a lot times where the boost colored blue. along with the body suit. So that was very interesting as with the rebirth look when people complained about it. So here we go. Joe. Shuster. Right here straight up, you know blue boots. So plus the boots were a big hint what was going on but you know what nobody was paying attention. Nobody. Intention. I wasn't. I still can't believe I taught that when I relate or read reread action comics and was like, Oh man. But yeah this is cool. You know just a it's very Stan Superman. Joe Shuster with the blue boots and then the straight just triangle gold triangle with the S. The next big major change other than throughout the comics of just like. The changes little bits with the flash air and then the size of you know in the comics from like the Curt Swan. More stronger smaller to. John Byrne. Massive S is our favorite, the electric blue and Red Superman. Yeah. No matter. The stories are what you think about this era of Superman. I was I was a kid when? This when this was a thing and I thought the SS looked awesome. I thought he looked really cool and blue and red and just the electric. I mean when I was drawing as a kid I would draw these versions of Superman. I thought it was like you know looking back. I thought it'd be Kinda. Cool. 'cause like. Some stuff in your brains a little shorter. I remember getting the Superman Red Superman? Blue issue one but with the three cover. So, having the three D. glasses. Were so cool. And we still need this back to back red and blue shirts red and Blue Krypton reports shirt shot I go with what we need. Or going to the there's no doubt about A. and. arson. This'll kind of a neat story line to do like after. What do you call it after his death and when he returns let this is what happened to him. He return like his powers from after death was. In this. Right well, it was cool how they use this idea also when they did the The the reborn storyline. that. Has that there were red and blue. Powers has basically like the new fifty two as like like the red version or whatever, and the the. The the Lowest Clark, the one we know. At the end of new fifty two and ended in the beginning of rebirth was. Left the blue version. Yip. Hearing, second because the next slide is the two thousand eleven new thirty-two rebirth three born and I picked I was trying to find all like Jim Leisure Ong's but. It didn't quite work out. So the new fifty two was a big deal because in two thousand and eleven, we are getting the first images of the upcoming film Humana Steel. Trunks and now the new fifty two is no trump's it's an armor. and. I like. You know there's a lot of lines people always joke with. About his suit but I kind of like the idea we've talked about this. Of being his suit being alien. Armor kind of being crypto NEOM based. It's kind of NEAT. Just something a little bit different than the mocked him made the suit. You know what's interesting is like this is. Like the. Initial new fifty, two, Justice League drawing the Chin we did. Plastered on everything I. Pictures of. Two pictures of it around the House here. On my coffee mug. And it's funny because one. Wonder Woman's wearing pants. which I thought was cool right. She's wearing black which I thought was interesting. But she's that never appears in a wonderful book. Just. This one. Jim Lee dry and in Superman's very more lean. But then when you see him show up draw Jim Lee in Justice League origins he's a little bit bigger he's not this kind of lean. The boots have that uptake like we talked about and they're square. The one thing I do absolutely love with the new fifty, two storyline with. The Cape. was. Drills. The he gave him put cow in it rap calendar capsule with which I would love to see that. Translate to Live Action I. Love the idea that the giral takes his cape off. That's like his father's like. A. Family thing. And wraps cow limit so that not only just like you could even say if you WanNa, do mom makes him the costume. But then it's he takes the blanket. He was actually his father's Cape. INPUTS THE CAPE ON. I i. like that I I think that's a little bit more strongly like just the imagery of. GIRAL taking off. His his Cape and. I. THINK THAT'S You know it's a symbolic, I'm rambling but I like it. Yeah. I mean. As in. Say You WANNA. Stick in the new fifty two here. Real quick. Like the action comics number one in the new fifty, two I was I was going to put out the action. In A. Say Yeah Action Comics number one of the new fifty two. and then vote later would be like the truth storyline. Say. Those are like the other two Haha favourite costs place. Right. T shirt and. Jeans. The next light but I wanted to touch on just finish up like. The like. Next to the new fifty two is the picture of Superman rebirth, which is also drawn by Jim Lee but I think it's How much different. His Superman is. That looks more like regular super. Well the Rebirth Superman Is the. The Lois and Clark. Road to rebirth Superman. This superman from. Pre flashpoint. Yeah. So in the. I mean the suit looks different but then we also go to next to that. Well I don't want to skip ahead. I do like. I like this suit it looks. It looks smoother. I like new fifty two. I even like the collar I like the armor. Of the CRIP Tony in armor and stuff. and. Then in this shot, you talk about the the boots. With, the with the red line with the little uptick of the red line on. This whole suit is blue, but it's got the the Red Bell. which is almost even reminiscent of Mana Steel where you know you've got the the buckle in the center and then and then it's blue in between and then you've got what looks like the rest of the belt that goes around the sides that goes around the hips, and then you have the cuffs on the risks that are very ministerial. And then I do WanNa mention this actually throw this in there when they did the soft tweak. To the new fifty to suit with the Johner amita junior and Geoff Johns where. It had like. The risks came down like on the Jim Lee here like the risk comes down at a point. And in this a came over the knuckles and over the thumb, and then the K- kind of wrapped around and the belt Kinda did instead of a straight across a dip it was like the same super like slightly changed. So. And in the last suit James taken away because we know how much we love this suit? Yeah. This is This is the reborn suit after. Superman and Clark head merged. The way they did in the reborn story line. And it's got the the light, the sky blue. A. Blue Bodysuit. Really good ass like it's large, but it's not like overly huge. It takes. Excuse, me takes up most the chest. And literally just goes to the bottom of the sternum. The full red bell with the with the little yellow yellow buckle on it the red, boots New Trunks here I mean, this is. This is like one of my favorite suits nothing. No surprise here this is James is probably. Favorites soon that we've seen recently in communists. I. Mean Pretty Close to so far I mean, yeah it's. It's one of the best suits the only without the trunks. The only thing I would you differently, I hate saying that. Critic. I put the cuffs back. Yeah. I like the cuffs. I. Think it just breaks up and I think it's Kinda. Cool I. Mean that's something different out there. Okay. Yeah. and then the thing about it is what bugs me here is because you know the modern is the classic suit back to the Red Trunks and I mean, it's just it's the classic suit that that it always was just. You know I mean it's just the thing that bugs me is was. To bring back the suit. They gave a nice story reason why you now giving lowest the Crip Tony Suit? So that way she would be protected when she went to space with John. But then she comes back in just a matter of weeks and then it's never seen heard from or talked about or asked about again they just the used it as an in story reason to put him back in the classic sue and that's it. Trunks are back. Yep. And so keeping in this error jump to the next one. And that's where we have our action comics number one from the new fifty two where he's just wearing jeans at t shirt with Terrell's Cape. And then I put in the Superman truth. Story Line. He's back to having being depowered, but he has a blue t shirt with the s that I actually like more of the Fleischer. Style S. To I. Think it's just once again it's that. That is like the. That's cost playwright there that I just naturally find myself falling into every day before heading to work. Some Point Superman today. Imagine that Superman again today. HOOPS ME my bad. Oh well, and then I wonder if. This coming. So the next the next slide. I kinda pit them together IS THE BLACK SUIT REJUVENATION suit from the deaths return Superman, and then the black suit that we would get later in the lowest and Clark. Wishes the superman that would then become the rebirth superman. Now looking at the suit now we can. A pre flashpoint superman. We call. I see where like the Dean Cain got the blue from the toes got the silver in the black suit toes because to me that's the Dean Cain suit that he had with the blue right there. But just it's silver. Yeah I mean literally like it's the blue cuffs where the silver cuffs are the. Blue Shield where the silver shield is in. Yeah. The The blue tells where the silver toes are at. So. yeah. I don't know why they didn't Two more on suit for most Clark but. It's like okay. Yeah the the the lowest. Clark suit, the the Comic Lois and Clark suit there at the end of the new fifty, two he's got the he's got the silver ass with the black background The picture we got here is a full silver S. Silver. S and silver background. And he doesn't have the cuffs. He's got a silver belt and silver boots. Our. Drop out of this suit as I dropped the silver boots. Other. Than that. I actually pretty much like this. I mean I prefer the boots to the to the Silver Toe Yeah Not, a fan of the silver. Or. Like the solid like black gloves the he has. The rejuvenation blacks you. But you know. This. You know if no one's ever read the Lois and Clark. Run. It's a great run. A great story I didn't read it at first until someone told me I needed to rebate and I bought the first issue I read it and then went to the shop and bought the rest. Yeah it wasn't intrigued yet. Or couldn't find the end now now it's a trade and IT'S A. Lois and Clark Road to rebirth or something I'm pretty sure as is the title. Is Tagging a road to rebirth Lois and Clark. It makes sense. So yeah, 'cause it's it's Superman. It's this version of Superman and Lois and John. Kent. Because they got pregnant had John Kent during convergence event amass how he ended up how they ended up on this world and It's him in the background. It's them in the background while everything in the new fifty two is going on. And all the way to the end where the new fifty, two version of Superman. Dies Story his death. Still. Really good one now. Is. So. Please the last slide there was probably guys done yet. To the last slide, we're talking about Superman no, of course not. Dog. Is the Jim, Lee Drawing. Of Superman, from action comics one thousand. Two what the current? Look of Superman is. and. Honestly. I think this drawing first of all is one of Jimmy's worst. I. Don't think it's a good drawing. I know I'm not trying to be like D. bag here. Pay People not trying to say oh No he doesn't. I can't better really not. I can't do better. But what I'm saying is his Cape looks horribly flat. It's so weird to look at this superman after seeing the other to Jimmy Superman that we just looked at and discussed. And then I look at artwork for. Businesses, run and you have Ivan Reis is drawing Superman. That I think looks amazing. I think I think Jim Lee's version of Superman here. Being Action Comics one thousand. Being a tribute to the very beginning. I, think that's what this is. I think this is a you know a modern look at the classic Superman, you know stockier. Built. You know just rounder face rounder body. You know what? I mean I. Think I think he I. Think he did this on purpose you know what I mean just. It's Kate's that really gets me. Yeah I can see that it does look very flat against it, which is really weird to say coming from like Jim Lee drawing because if you read. Justice League origins. The depth that he has in all of that artwork is like renew nearly unparalleled. Yeah. You don't see that type of depth and perception in in a lot of artwork I. Mean it's unbelievable in especially in origins the first six issues. So to see you know how to to see it and look at it and and you know think that like, yeah, that kind of. Looks flat it doesn't look. So three dimensional behind you even with the shad, the shading and stuff. Yeah it's definitely I definitely can see that you know and what's crazy is. Here is less than. Oh. Brain His it's basically the standard superman costume. The looks in this picture, the s looks a little bit more new fifty, two esque. Always sharper edges. and. Then he has the cops plus version of the cuffs on his wrists other than that. It's like we're back to trunks and everything like I said, I, love the Arte Ivan has done for just regular superman in the bendix run. Yeah Superman the bend, the Superman book in in. Around has has looked fantastic. So I mean. Yeah. That is our you know our almost two hour talk about superman in his suits, which is it's been a good time. So. I just wanted to say thank you James for discussing suits. You know if we had someone on here who was probably like really into cost player, whatever we can probably dug into a lot more like you know fabrics and everything but I decided to be kind of cool to know look at the different ways superman his Volvo like you know people are about the difference changes and all the bats use and Doug that there's been a lot of changes in the bat suits. But there's also been a lot of changes in superman suits as well and I just wanted to you know bring that knowledge. To everybody you know yeah, you know it's it's our opinions on some of the students you know it's not every soup but you know things we liked things we don't like. You know a lot of great suits over the years and. Obviously a few a few duds but. You. Know I mean. It's it's iconic. In all forms. Aren't good listeners finish your feedback. You know you can reach us at Krypton report on twitter facebook instagram. crypt on report pod at gmail.com, send us your feedback and what you think. 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Grant Gustin

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

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Grant Gustin

"You're listening to inside with Michael Rosenbaum. If you're there you're watching someone go craziest lose their mind a little bit. No I woke up late. This is a real boring story but I got a new mouthguard night guard from my mouth. My teeth grind especially nowadays grinder But I got a new one fitted and it was kind of like not tight like the other one. I woke up man. Jot doesn't hurt my next better. You imagine if I've gone through all this shit for the last five years and it was all because my night guard was too tight embarrassing. Be Embarrassing see a any kind of relief. I WANNA thank everybody for listen. The show continued support. I WANNA fit patrons who The patrons are awesome. I save every episode. But you know they. They really kick ass and they go above and beyond subscribing is unbelievable. I appreciate everybody who subscribes and listens and gives the podcast a chance and follows us in all our handles. Our social handles at inside you. Podcast I think on Instagram. 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He's a sweet guy did you. What did you get out of working with him? What did you? It's the one thing that you take it like grant. I always remember this about grant hours. Remember the first team read when we meet very our intimidating man because Judas table read and he's coming in playing flash ends it's his episode. Any comes in and he kneels is Hillary. I didn't even need to see what he was gonNA do. On Saturday to read. I knew God they minarets And then it was just really cool on a yearly basis Siphon the tubers becoming friends aside from US enjoying working the other side from us both females be very honest with one another. We had that a delay not super common. It was really nice. Just going to show once or twice a year change in pace. It was nice and catering's kidding wasn't elbow their bird now. He's reason I love you more than when you come back. Maybe every couple of weeks or whatever. Just check in for morning read. Yes sure La over his brother. Aldous families in well-doing safe than all right. Why miss you buddy and give the family a hug? And I can't wait to hug you say buddy inside of you is brought to you by. Sun Basket boy. Do I need these guys right now? Right now some basket is offering thirty five dollars off your order when you go right now to Sun Basket. Dot Com slash. Iou and enter Promo Code. I owe you at checkout so without further ADO Stick around afterwards and please subscribe to the podcast. And if you haven't if you're a grant fan I know you're grant fan you're here for grant. I love it but the podcast a chance I think you'll learn something even if you don't know all the guests have I appreciate your support and I hope you enjoy this. Let's get inside of Grant Gusta. It's my pawn view. You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rose by a inside of you with Michael. Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Now I fucked it up. It's Guston isn't it? Yeah how many people call you goosen time but I see it. A growing concern related. You hate it when people MIS MIS pronounce your name. I don't care now but as a kid be like if you're not going to be bothered you mark. I gotTa Baseball Coach now. He's coughing and like he called me. Grab you just company good. Let's have a little more hustle over here. Yeah than that wasn't great. Were you good athlete? Not I wasn't a great athlete. I played baseball for a long time. I was pretty good baseball but like I I I R- honestly hated soccer because of the running. I thought it's just ridiculous to run back and forth. Hope for the ball so I quit most sports other than baseball toes. Fourteen fifteen stop baseball theater. I mean you're Berry Allen you're the flash so you'RE GONNA BE ATHLETIC GOTTA RUN. You gotta look good running. There's a lot of people that don't look good when they run. My mother is one of them. This is true. Yeah now I danced for years and years and years. I guess that would necessarily help with running but like I'm pretty aware of my body and I'm pretty. I'm a pretty decent looking you are you know how to run. You know the stride yet why they also actually before the pilot can't remember his name that was working with this like Olympic track and field sprint coach. That did the coast. Olympians running backs in the NFL in heels me with my gate might. What my arms. We're supposed to be doing with so I did. Have some technical trade show started. Now there's a thing where you know for instance. When when Tom Welling SMALLVILLE had to you know fly he didn't really fly. But the you know super speed or whatever he did. There was a certain look like if he went with his gut. It didn't look good even though it felt right so that could you put your arm here or can you do. Did they have to sort of like? Oh Hey I know this seems like you're stupid and really awkward. But this looks better when you do this. I actually in two hundred horn but like on a regular basis. director Sometimes even cast will. That's the thing I'm most on. It's just like man you really know how to move. Your Body. Really think is finance background. It's an honest when a director somebody comes into the show did something. I usually have that again. They look pretty awkward as one thing. I've pretty grasp up like I'm supposed to look with lot that's good. There's nothing like a good looking runner. Strides just like. That's what they want for those commercials for like we don't run often. Sometimes for full body shots they'll be robbing a green street stuff on generally in a stance and Mike doing my legs really hard times just per step and other speedster guest stars not people that run the Tend to see people do same. Rbis leg likely step forward. You do the same right now. And then I always showed him with trade around. And they're like Yeah Grant Gustafson is teaching me how to run unbelievable. He's been running for what like five years and he just knows he has the flash. What's what's the major difference. I should know this because I didn't realize I. You know what I'm saying. I want to talk to you an interview. I have thought about it. But I certainly haven't thought about in a while. But then I'm like wait a minute. I play the Flash Animated Wally West Your Berry Allen for an audience who doesn't know you briefly like what what's the difference between varying law for someone who doesn't know felt like our interpretation of. Berry was kind of a combination of the comics buried and wally. Because I was a little younger wasn't really the age berry usually was we did a Lotta Corky awkward jokes. I think that tends to usually fall warn us. Wally Realm. Yes so yeah. I mean it's up to say use an ink where we landed with. Berry at least initially was somewhere between the two and we've kind of grown in some more uncertainty now twenty three. I think I did so like. I've grown a little more mature kind of leader version of area not quite as awkward on regular basis. We still have kinda going Eric while. Yeah I mean hard for me to answer just because our gary has never been like the comics now. She doesn't hurt my feelings at all. Obviously watched you. I don't I don't like watch superhero shows constantly. I mean I was on. It doesn't mean I'm a huge fan of one I am. I'M A fan. I I love the world I feel like I'm part of something. That's very Popular especially now and I feel like small definitely was one of those first shows that spawned all these great shows like flash and Arrow and supergirl. But you were fan where you're real fan and by the way. Did you do research like I'm going to study all the people who played? Berry Allen or I'm GonNa what did you watch Justice League On my show I was on. D.c What is it called? I grew up like a a big superman fan. I didn't really read comics. I up like they were before digital. Obviously when I was still getting it wasn't the I didn't know where to get common. Thread parents Intolerance but I was a big fan of Chris. Berries in that franchise And when I started doing flash or one of his concerts flashy the research. I initially dove into reading comics because I had done that. Strike out like the APP and was reading. Newt new fifty two brand new. It's time so I was reading all those I still revisit. The comic sometimes now But again our show is like kind of its own things. So it's you know you are on. Cw Show for years and it's CW is very much its own thing too. So where is just its own tone in version of the character? I blended LEX LUTHER. Twenty six years old. You landed a Barry Allen Flash at twenty three now. I certainly wasn't mature enough to carry a show at twenty three let alone. Twenty six let alone. Maybe just recently. I am able to do that so when you first find out you know. I'M GONNA play this character first of all you like. I much rather play Superman or are there other characters that you'd rather play because it's probably true flashes. Probably not top two or three on your list. I mean I used to grow up arguing with one of my best friends in high school. Who was a big flash fan about about why Superman was so much better? The flash served in for sure was wouldn't've headlight. can pick a super time. He's grown into being one of my. I mean probably up there superman now just because I'm so emotionally attached to character now but I don't think I also was at the time like radically Superman Batman eggs of nights. I've ever got the any superhero right. Isn't that the reality we don't want? Who would ever thought like honestly I. I never thought I'D BE LEX. Luther little own anything right so. I'm sure like look you're talented guy. Broadway tore you acted your whole life. You've done all these things. You had early success but if somebody would've said to you when you were even twenty-three before you've got the script or even in an age as an eighteen year old little boy. Hey you know you're going to be the flash back off. Can you say I was? I wouldn't have been sure. I mean even when when I got the Audition Marco because I was like I'm not GonNa get it and I get a lot of audition anxiety and if I if I don't WanNa waste my time. Their time breakdown. Twenty mid twenties early thirty S or mid twenties to early to mid thirties. Then again I was like twenty three and looked like ours. Nineteen maybe in. I didn't want to go to the audition at all because so Russia took it. That's exactly with me. There's no way I'm playing lex luther. No one's going to cast this guy. I'm a I'm a joke. Come kind of a joke. I'm looking at me. Yeah my friends even said that. Like dude no and then you know what you know what you know what happened. Grant we fucking zoned in man. We turn that we turn the volume. I we prove moderate man. He Did Jersey right either pilot and he was in my second audition. I believe in. He called me after he had seen my tape. My initial issue David casting director and really early on not it was like your ability to get this. You're GonNa get this and that from then on out. I was like you know tunnel vision on on on Danny because he had this belief in me that I was in may be heavily us but like you already had some shops. You're still young but at least you think without theater background. You'd never be able to make it through this. No no I still to this day. I I don't ever like even take my sides to set rarely. I'm very obsessed with like the process about getting the scenes down and that's guessing my theater background. I mean I I really drill not just memorizing it but the scene work and it's not you know hopefully I do much more challenging stuff throughout my career. It's not like it's nothing against writers intimating job but it's not like it's the most in-depth like emotional actor on a regular basis but I take really really really seriously and really prepared i. It's almost too much like I. I I I WANNA be too good almost. I WANNA like I don't want to. I worked so I worked so hard that I thought like most people don't do this. Does anybody work this hard? And that's obviously silly to think that it was torturous actually especially in the first season's just trying to prove everybody like I have to prove myself and do you feel like you just WanNa know these lines inside out you want to just be able to go on set and let's go. I mean it's I've come a long way with some taking a little pressure off myself not taking it as seriously at times. I've never let up on the work but our I've I've always been really hard at myself. Nice going on but I yeah way too much pressure on myself really on and gotten my way a lot. It shows in my research work like how like round up. I wasn't how focused I wasn't getting it right. And you're sure. Do you do anything before? You're doing your lines is there something like remember Jesse Eisenberg. I was doing this movie. That no one saw called cursed West Craven and remember every take he would jump up and down and and spin himself around right before action and I would do. There was certain things I would do if I had a certain scene. But he was doing this like just all the time and like it was it was way of doing and I'm like hey whatever it takes do you have A. I don't know if it's a tick if it's a I developed ticks from doing Shit Kinda working myself up. Is there something you do or you? Just kind of zoned in relax and let's go. I'm way more relaxed now than I used to be. I still have days that I'm really anxious or stressed about really tough scene or emotional scene but I really WanNa get right like like you said I mean. I still sometimes love that. You're really wanting to prove myself to accrue like the people on set. They're actually watching like really find myself thinking about what you think about this. I'm thinking about watching Yup. Yes Inter background. I think it's almost like like instant gratification. That instant response like I remember. J. D. J. J. D. is he ever worked for great guy. We always still talk among Arabs said. Great Dude Yeah. Jd remember just like I remember one episode early on he goes. Hey man good now all right thumbs up and I just wanted that thumbs up all the time and when I didn't get it I was like crew members that like I feel like I have that relationship but yeah I mean I don't think they realize how much you WanNa comes up to me after seed crush that I mean that means the world does right. They don't they think oh they don't want to hear. I think they're thinking they don't want to hear from the grip that they're good we do. I carry with me for forever like I usually come over and tell my wife about like like like buzzing seen an deals up to the afterwards gone. You don't care about e w writing an interview saying grant crushed it you want Neil. You want that's exactly the same way. Yeah I feel that same way whenever I'm on a set. I always WANNA know people's names very quickly. I always wanted to be like a family because I think for me. It safety like I feel like if I if I trust them I could fail in front of them and they could just pick me up and I can be there for them that there's something I don't know if it's a good thing. It's just kind of what I do that I just. I WANNA feel safe when I'm doing my work that I know people rooting for me around me. It goes back to the theater. Do shows like Acting Class High School College? And it's like that's what the relationship that I have with my acting classes. You know it's like you need to be feel safe enough to fail and that you're gonNA receive constructive criticism and we're GONNA PAT each other on the back and we're GONNA learn from each other ended. Obviously you mop as constructive criticism about you. Want it to feel like a safe glades somebody I can try whatever and look stupid and do get it right on the next day. When did you know it was GONNA be huge? Did you see the pilot and go okay? This is going to be doing this for awhile. I mean I hate to sound like I ain't never even done a pilot in. I now know like how unlikely islets to go to series event but I maybe it was really was ruining like I you know I was cast on Arab I it was two episodes of Arrow supposed to do a third episode of Era. That was going to be a backer. Islet but Characterists received so well. They decided to do a standalone. And I knew from that. We'll get serious just because it's the flach in it like I never thought it was never about me. It was just about like. I'm so lucky that I landed this. And there's no way to slash folder. We get a season. Want Roy coming off the heels of Ero and maybe it was even though I thought it least you know three to five seasons fella given just because it was such an iconic character and I was for sure how cells better being in the meeting. Tom Cavanagh in being a big fan of Jesse Martin before we all came in Dave. Another call to tell me. Just what a pick district theater near a ham and freaked out and annotate She's the kinds of things specifically. I remember when I was younger. Like Irving Sky High. This is insane it was gonna we shows me around for awhile. I could always tell who's had a good upbringing in terms of like close with their parents or loved were supported. Were parents were proud. I can just tell I know these things. I could tell you that you had a good upbringing. My wrong now. I mean. My parents aren't together anymore but they were both great parents. Yeah I mean we had a great family general. I'm still close with my siblings. I talked to my dad not as much as I talked to. My mom super supportive proud of you. Love you whatever you comes to me in my career in this journey on always College I WOULD. First of all was getting Efa Musical Theater which is not a real thing that's going to help you in the world. And they were various according to that it was an expensive school at Illinois University which is not A little BFA Janos Amazing Training. And I recommend anyone go down if they WANNA do theater inaccurate all but then I dropped out to do with a tour of west side story. Broke for Western story in Lake had support from both my parents to do so an ear so most beautiful sound. I have really saying when you're a jet. Eurojet all the way from your first cigarette dying day. The bad sorry. I love musical theater as well and I read somewhere. Where he said you know you always WanNa do Broadway and then maybe TV and film and it's sort of been except for that you need to the Broadway tour but you've sort of switched positions. Its course sort of like TV and film career but you always want to end up on Broadway for sure I I just don't up knows doing dimmer. Whole life was theater started doing ten In like fourteen it was like exclusively like my only hobby and what I did outside of school in the Yeah my whole life was just about musical theater and around. Eighteen thousand nine hundred New England China's of more specifically without stat or wanted to follow that ass on a huge. I saw Hugh Jackman in the boy from is us do not Broadway and I knew that he was like the movie stars essentially already and I. I do theater path by my way in the film. The months I get big Joe Johns I can just go back and do theater Hugh Jackman. I mean lucky enough to kind of be on that track now. Hopefully now theater waiting flashes over. I mean it sounds like it sounds ridiculous either. Become a movie star. Then I'll do theater and then you know I mean no. It sounds like it's absolutely I think you have to have the mentality of like. This is what I'm going to do and people will say these are the odds and this is this I i. I don't know how many times people said dude come on their soon. Great Actors Out There. And do you don't understand. I know I'm going to do it. It's something you just know. And that's success doesn't mean I'm going to be this and I'm going to. It's just that I know I know innately that. This is what I'm supposed to do not do this. I don't know I like it. It's cool. There's more of our station in college. I had with a friend that has still friends with in his head. A lot of success on Broadway on its own now but I remember at the time it almost like he was frustrated with me like I was almost getting under his skin like 'cause. I'm not a cocky overconfident. Gerson by any means I actually went very insecure a lot of time in my so very slow moving but like you said like I mean. I won't be doing this if I didn't think like. Oh Yeah I'm GONNA be on Broadway. I'M GONNA be able to do this late. Why would he if I didn't believe I'll have yet to understand? I think there's some people that you know. I have friends that just like I know I just want to do this. Should I do this if you're saying should I I don't then there's then there's no there's only there's those people I wanna be a doctor. I want to save people. This is what I WANNA do. There's not like I don't know. Should I be a doctor or should I be you get to a point? Where like I know what I'm destined to be whether it's doing theater in a small town and not making any money or becoming a movie star or whatever. This is what I WANNA do. I was fine with it. I mean I also knew that was the possibility I knew. 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The arts and try to be part of that and You know I try to help raise money and on the board or whatever and I always think the PC public feeder Kentucky's right where I went to school and it's right there and you know they have a there and they had the lex luther coat there. I don't need it all that and it's a museum and I'm always like I want to go back one day and do a play just keeps getting further and further away did so many plays in college and I remember the Camaraderie. That the feeling right before you go on and play on the makeup and going over lines and doing the stupid tongue twisters and getting. I always used to get the stage like an hour early because just nerves into the my part where I'm going and this is what I'm going to say this and sitting in a corner and there is something free cool about that. There is something that you can't really. It's you can't describe it right now I mean I missed it. I mean you said earlier that instant gratification cracks in a fourteen year old dog in once he starts screaming it's You can hang out with us. Good no yeah what I was doing. Biocide him you know. There's a lot of dancing warm-up stretching involved but I was there I two to three hours or the shower today. If you're rituals in your routine own no. It's he said are sending out is he's just a lake called yet please. Were we saying Yeah No Theater? I I missed that process for sure. I mean there's nothing. Mtv is like the process of you know the first process for show alive experience actually putting on the show nothing similar to you know it's funny. I see your parallel of our parallel. Because I'm a lot older than you I. I'm seventeen years older than you could had you. You think about it. I don't want to think about it. You know you think about the parallels of like going doing theater going through college and you know I thought it I you know I'm GonNa get I WANNA get married. I'M GONNA have a kid. I'm GonNa do this and you know I'm forty seven. I'm still well. I'm single and I've done all these things but it seems like you've done so much so early Broadway tour you know. You did the glee thing which was really cool and then boom catapulted here. You are the flash and and YOU'RE MARRIED NOW. You might have kid who knows right. It seems it seems like you've got your shit together unless I'm missing. Something is something that you just. Is there something that you're still? You know. People say content? Are you content? I don't think I'll ever be content. Yeah I don't know I mean I'm definitely I know how I'm very aware especially in certain moments. How lucky I am out differently. Things could have gone up until this point. But you know I also like there's clear when it comes to my career Plenty of things that I feel like. I've missed out on the to. What have you missed out on? What have you missed out on like during the flash him? You're not setting like might show amazing but what we're seven years in now in large sex. We finished six years past four. Hey this is now I've had hired as project that has fog through because of flash feel like there's a lot of other opportunities out there. I've kind of got film and stage. That has gone away. Because it's a schedule conflicts. You know so you just can't have. Everything's it's been all flash for six years ago you know all too well. Yeah but I think that you know if you look back right now I definitely don't have I mean I've sure I don't have regrets. In fact. My uncle got tattooed no regrets. I'm like fuck. That's a lot. I don't think I don't think you know what I under that you should put like a caption like not entirely true. Because we all have regrets regrets no I would never trade off where I'm at right now to be somewhere else in my life where my career I mean I have. I think one thing I really struggle with my wife targeted by recently. My mom competition all the time. I Have Imposter Syndrome for sure. Like I don't think I ever deserve anything that again or that like I not worthy or I didn't work hard enough for it or someone else for tires were talented. So that's something I struggle with time. You know Just being like okay reformat tonight. I wor- I deserve. It earned it on us wanting to really makes you feel lucky. All the time is I don't know how I got to wear now. Like almost ever like he was in west side of you now. It should have been junior college. I'm an all my friends were in. I was living all of our dreams like doing garbage for a story like Every day was out on my so much and I was kind of every step of the way solid. I can tell you why is it? That's the thing it's hard because when people's perception of you is obviously different from the perception you have yourself. Obviously you know Talented this and that but like I look at you and I'm like good looking guy. He's really talented. But all that aside the best trait about you from just knowing you and I think which is the most important with anybody is who they are as a person people see that and if it translates they want to be around you they. You're you're very likable. That's I mean. That's a huge thing. I always tell the story of James. Gunn told me the story and he directed gardens the galaxy and soon guardian galaxy to Kurt Russell. They Kurt Russell is telling the story about escape from New York and the director John Carpenter was like you know. I don't know they just want me to make the character of Snake Pushkin more likable that place and he goes why I'm likable. Likable guy and I think that's true and so I think that's kind of like. Have you ever had those moments you're like? I don't know the Berry. Seems kind of like a Dick Right now? Like todd for sure you know. So you can relate to that but you're innately likable dude. I'm sure you could play a Dick and a Weirdo. You can put an eye patch on and kill somebody in a movie and people like that. Guy's an asshole but there's something innately likable about you and I think it's humble for you to say that you know you know to deserve this. There's a lot of other actors have done that. My whole problem is I never fit in. I never felt like I fit in. I feel uncomfortable around a lot of celebrities. I put on an air of like look at me. I'm confident you know and I could turn that on but but the reality is is. I'm always kind of on because you WANNA be light. You want to be accepted. That's I've I've talked about that. Have you ever dealt with a you know exerting your life any kind of depression or any kind of way? Since I mean a really young I mean since probably four five. I've dealt with like anxiety depression like I had. I had really weird anxious type dreams as a really young kid. I mean it's John. WanNa get too into we we before we got married we started doing couples therapy just like you know. Be ready for marriage before there was really nothing going on marriage and all kinds of things for both of us start going come to the surface and has good presence couple. Mike as Vigil Olson with all kinds of I was. I knew I'd always know these items but putting like you know getting to know where things started and Y. You're feeling that were exiled is ever present in my life for sure. You saw what happened with with Stephen talked about many times. I was so brave and like I think nowadays you can sort of talk about that thing especially in this. Show it it without a doubt. I didn't know this was going to happen but it helps. It just helps people. They're like Oh my God this guy so successful and he deals with anxiety. How does he deal with it? And it's just like you're not saying this is the answer to picturing Zay. This is like this is what I do to help me. So when you say hey. I want to couple therapy because I wanted to be a better husband and wanted to be. I WanNa be a better husband. I WanNa be a better man. I want to be better on this and I think just talking about your shit with someone who could be objective and someone who could just. How could it not help if someone's professional? Obviously any concert be for anybody for sure. I mean it's been really helpful allies. I don't do us what's the thing that's the most the biggest thing in therapy that you found that you sort of heard acknowledged embraced worked on it? And you're like wow that helped me exponentially I mean just in my relationships go working on it. In a moment's it helps in another moment. Cy like forget about it but like I've not always good it just like really really listening in hearing what's going on with my wife because she's more levelheaded demand more calm less stressed out and I'm always talking about what I'm stressed about like. I just think like she's got something going on. Show share that with me but you know or different than she needs. Need like talk to her like Oscar. What's up and really listening ear or I'm thinking like also offered up if she wants. That's when I'm doing constantly look I can't shut up is she. Just isn't that way so in our relationship that's been huge in. Its something that I'll probably be whereas until the day I die. I'll tell you what that right. There is fucking profound because if it doesn't help anybody else helped me just now because I'm like this. I don't know if it's because you know sometimes we're selfish this we're actors we're fucking we're in our head think of a million things got. Add and so we're constantly open about everything that's going on. We're most people aren't so we but she's just she's not you know we're different. We assume they're fine but we need to stop for a moment. Go All right. I need to fuck off for just a minute. And how are you seriously? Because I'm a self indulgent pray Ke- and I don't think I don't ever think like selfish person or like I'm all up in my own feelings because like I am constantly also worried about in other people was on the world. And it's not like I'm just thinking about me and my problems for like my Zaidi's forefront everything including our relationship instead of like I said where her anxiety is or what is she about what she feeling. So that's something I'm definitely Dude it's awesome. I think that's sound. It wasn't even advice you gave. But it's I guess inadvertently it is. It's like listening it's hard it's like sometimes just to take a minute and go. I want to say a million things right now because it's just not saying anything and just going talk to me. Tell me under thinking. It's an exercise set to. I mean 'cause like we sat Insulted you're the same way like I cared a lot about getting things right and then sometimes I think there's no way anyone around me cares as much about getting your right as I soon. I started to project and especially earlier on I used to. I'm not addicted like I can get stressed out. Might be indicated moments because I really care about getting a right and I think other people don't and I think I've come a long way. My Flash Journey is knowing where each dealing with their own shit first of all. We're all stressed out to work in our own way In trying to keep my shits myself hello good and be their father below the more. What I'm telling you know this is fun easy right. You haven't good time. I liked us. You know it's funny. 'cause I tried to get you on a long time ago and you're in Vancouver and I gotTa fucking pestering him now and the guy who's pestering interview. I used to be the actor mean. We're talking like generally I don't have the excuse right now that might work but like I'm always like I say no to every because the work is so constant and I just WanNa stay focused on and due to the best mind I rarely. Do you might as podcast book interviewed surrogate appearances. Undo don't do convention. I do a lot of extra stuff outside of the Working Denver. Did you think in the beginning? They were sort of like young kid. We'll take advantage of him interviews this this this because eventually you probably stepped up going all right. I think I could say something now. What no no. No no not really be honest that like I said I let it stress me out more than still set out like season one stuff but like I mean I did some centrally on thought. It was really cool. Like New York lacked for a lot more than I do now. Their first couple seasons was completely stoked about it. Because like my brother lives there There and you know it's cool to do like you know. It was Kelly and Michael at the time with the live with Kelly. Mike Oh cool down. A lot of it I did like set Myers. I think one year. It's a really cool like you see those shows in the that's I feel like Like made it so. It's not like I don't think it's cooler. I don't WanNa do it but I really do care more about making sure unprepared for my scenes show on sat in. I feel asking to take away from that. It's not hard for me to say you know not not. I don't have time. It's not just like I really don't have time to New York Street. Jimmy Scott Tweet next week ninety. Two Savior genetics. Yeah you do all the crossovers and Shit and I've talked to Steven Destined Mike and Danielle. I know it was hard enough to doing one ship. When you're just doing all these I mean how I mean. You probably think they're cool when you see them but shooting them probably. Isn't that much fun. I'm guessing is interesting because it's idea of them is like not fun at all to like you like. I feel like some people might say the opposite but for me thinking about doing them. You're just like I don't WanNa do it this year. Like it's so like you said so hard it's so hard make For eight days were making three to four episodes in television. Of course like three or four weeks and with production schedules. That just don't make sense and like there are moments relate. It's insane and just not human the type of conditions than ours. That were Ed but like I belive but said that it wasn't like some of the more fun more memorable moments didn't happen during the search shoots you drag them a little bit. But then when you're there and it's like this is like Brandon Ralph and Stephen were we all are so different but have all these things in common. We never get to see each other. You're laughing constantly. Yeah it's onto Italian. Like most comedy suits do you have. How many flash suits do you have and do they start to smell? After a day of we're in that Shit. Yeah look at one time. They do their best to this day. Coming on a regular basis for location I take a toothpick fans said like I I hear ago is today. I think it like right now. The current suit that I have. I WANNA say this probably to hero suits and maybe a third We constantly like mess up with pick police for harnesses and stuff but sometimes we have to one. 'cause one gets destroyed and all have to pick point in that with harnessed and then my that day they need to early wallets on stitching shot because the bought suit. Just kind of depends on like what we get is. What's the one Broadway show right? Now that comes to mind that you would love to do you love for it to be your first Broadway. Show when you're able to do Broadway that one Broadway. Show that if that was it. I don't mean hard question. 'cause there's I I could see. Allow us to get to see way. More before out soon fluctuate look at any given time. But I've seen nothing as open Broadway home. Darren Criss Buddy of mine. You know that I'm sure you know of to see one like every award. You could win like two years ago for that precisely show. He was ugly with us and he was great. When I you on Greece and I'm more than anyone else knew he was from the world knew like I'd done nothing like healthy understand what everybody's job was so welcoming. He was about to do. American buffalo with Lawrence Fish. Earns heavy Ever been abused as I was when I saw outfit. I'm actually like a real has laser. That's what I'm reading straight. Clay is I think more now would I'd love to be doing. I got to kill mockingbird this past season at a couple of friends that were in that that would be another with. Inherit some time like something like that. I can't even imagine getting to do. We do mice and men. And I'll play Lenny. Yeah you're going to have to gain thirty pounds but I could. That's GONNA be tough. It goes to my face now this beer. I said screw it. I'm going to beard for your beard. You're right and you know I. Finally I got the e e mail. Hey Dude a lobby at your hair. Looks terrible now. It looks looks good well. This is a bad angle too on my call. Grits. I'm always Jellison Steven grissom good. I think spirits Chin cartridges like religion perfect. You said some actually watching new girl last night and it was his episode. You took his shirt off. And you just like the outlawed Jesus Christ son of a bitch. I can't get away from this. You said that you said you wouldn't wear You told Stephen a male. I won't wear a t shirt on CAM with. I have to wear a blazer because look it's true it's like I've always been thin. I've always been not really buff. And then always Tom Welling around me so whenever had to do a scene like. I go you have to give me two months notice so I could work out so hard that I kind of look good. I don't even do like you know. We're not a typical chart. Show in that respect. Like the lead being like beautiful shirtless all the time like I really early on I did a few now. 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I owe you and enter the Promo Code I you well. Here's the surprise. Was The fucker Stephen Analysis. Going to pop on and he was like his thing. He's been like I WANNA come on. Come on so yeah. So he's going to probably do an intro. He's GonNa do an intro. Is there anything you want to tell them veered? This is quarantined down as a really something special. I don't know if you've seen because things to wardrobe is this like the palm springs effect there like what's going on like it's like. I'm just not never seen him look like these are some questions from some fans from my Patriot Mary. B It's called Chautauqua Rosemond. They're quick you answering quick if you could go back in time with no worry about the butterfly effect. What historical figure would you like to meet Christopher Reeve? He's not really historical. Figure like a huge. That was probably one of my early I. He did kind of those early early early era and what happened to him was just so tragic. I know he made a whole second. Life out of it was able to inspire. You know all kinds of people and do all kinds of positive. Thanks boost just awful. I was devastated when he passed away. So if I could have known him his prime and like you've got to work with him or something and then you've got to work in the you're saying that I was on small. Tom had his. He had his scenes with Tom but I did get to meet him. I went to a Christopher Refoundation van in Puerto Rico and I got to present him. A blanket signed by the cast at Madison Square Garden for Charity Hockey Game. And I kinda got teared up man. I got emotional. I mean I just said Hey I I was on Smallville. I didn't get to work with you. And I'm really bummed about that but I love you and I've always loved you and just thank you for being a true superman and he was just awesome. We just sat there and he said a few words and yeah like talk about facing the most adverse is just facing such a horrific circumstances and then going. I'm going to keep going and I'm going to be better and I'm going to more for people and I'm going to be a better man than I ever thought. I was smart excited because of this accident. Which is crazy crazy Jeanette what do you miss most about the tidewater area lived in Portsmouth many many years? She did she I loved growing up there. And folic had everything the Tiber area Norfolk Virginia Beach Cities must most time is really different from like Virginia's state and I mean it has the beaches cities city in either really normal happy life in the most part growing up in school area. I'm a big tides fan. The Norfolk tides wheel. You go to those AAA team. Goes James A lot? Just the governor school where the from your school then I got to go to growing up was really special. Israeli special ason strips the beach with France and simple life for being a teenager Nico P. Who's your favorite nineties character? I mean you were born in ninety. But who's your favorite character? The one thing you remember watching I just let that I just into my head. I thought was gone Zack Morris the Bell Inquiry Court Corey's last name from Bobi it's World Matthew so you watch those shows sweet. Did you watch SMALLVILLE. He didn't I didn't extrasensory I think because of course like vote that Rosie. What was your favorite memory? So far in the Flash. Remember one moment. You're like a kind of couldn't stop laughing your cried. I get emotional. Something where it was just at that moment that night something happened and you just like or just whatever. There's a specific moment that on never forgetting honestly. I give you my times with Tom. Cavanagh in general that like we can't stop laughing just like bits that get stupid or in super as we go but like funnier on air. Were remember for weeks and sometimes like when they're really funny late seventies remembers that coconut. Asuncion's while they come to us about that but that's so gone fight to hear like. Oh remember does lifelike but specific moment. I'll never forget was the season one finale in shooting the scene to this day maybe the best thing I've Trenton. The show where vary goes back. He thinks to save his mom from getting killed by the reverse. Flash STOPS BECAUSE HE realizes he has to let it happen but then he gets to have this moment when she's dying and berries like an adult sheep has the moment of recognition. Knows that it's him doesn't understand why it accepts. That is crazy emotional scene. I mean I never forget shooting scene or the like subsequent hours at home after I couldn't shake it like I was shower but still just like hysterically crying with my mom had died in front of me. Real get like as an actor is just something like I still draw for. Yeah when you can draw that that is just like the most powerful thing ever if you could use an experience to get you somewhere. There's I mean yeah well I mean I think for the reason always still draws from it is like that storyline is still crescent with Berry on show. So it's like I don't have to stake. I've never lost a parent going. I don't have to say when I do that. Storyline because I really have those visceral emotional reactions to thinking about losing noralyn various mob because I felt like I experienced it for real. It wasn't like something I written script did you. Maybe a stupid question. Did you feel like calling your your mom? After that I think I did. I mean yeah. I told her that I mean it was crazy. probably tried talking to her on it that it was. I really felt like I experienced using you like yeah. I mean it was crazy. Yeah Lisa asks from Villainous character like ugly to a hero character in the flash. I mean what's what's harder portraying. Which what do you like better plan the hero or do you like mixing up your actor right? Yeah I mean this is. Sailing can be fond. Play bill because not so much barry on over the years but It's also you know loved given the opportunity to play this character this just like innately has caused but is just like so good and like so well intentioned and He he has his downfalls and false at times for really puts other people before himself. And I've learned a lot from area over the years I love. I'm Berry so yeah I don't know I mean it's I I definitely want to shake things up outside of church play other kinds of things but I also hear rock says what your favorite musical. I mean we kind of went into that. You said play American buffalo kind of see but it's hard for you to kind of the musical blood brothers us like locally attached to that story just because I did it for a year. That is the only one I've done that amount of time but like I've had a lot of great experiences with musicals over the years and there's a lot of things like even like can't be silly ones. I've never done but always loved. You want to share spray like ours. Link Clark Spread Nazi war. Exciting things like one of my early Broadway Heroes that's always what music like in the past and said. This is an equivalence me. I'm thinking like do you have to your musical. You're trained. What do you sing around the house stuff? I WanNa hear you sing any seventies or eighties or ninety second hour. I think like when I left musical theater and started doing slash like unlike Melissa extinct things popular had possibly whatever we're working together. She's always saying steered interested. Ince's she's not married to my buddy Chris who was a musical theater major with me on Universal Gosh Allow like my wife's like wishes she could sing but cannot singer knows nothing theater So I'd say I kind of left behind me a lot these past two years. But I mean like seventies or eighties music or ninety s or disc or some thing if I was just like music music that a single an recently like I've always loved Jason Mraz and like I can sing his whole towel if we're in the car but just Morales on like one hundred twenty two fish song. What's the fish song fishing or fishing? I don't fucking know this. What's the One Jason? Morass on the fucking. What's the one on? The illness goes through every once in a while to start singer. I mean I don't even go through my head. I just like if one comes ought to start singing it Mike. I realize I know all of these songs I mean I get it. You're not going to say no I'm not but do you. Warm up and Shit when you sing right about that even when I E to sing on regular basis dancing. It's like I never. I was always pretty good both more dancing singing. Actually I hated ballet class. A hit go to dance class. A hit instructs you warming outlook exercise to get ready to or when it comes to act like I liked the preparation. That's when I kinda stirred realize eighteen. Nineteen twenty more cash. Way was like really focused on trying to great actor. I didn't care as much traffic. A great dancer and just kind of was good. I get nervous nervous. Auditions you get nervous fraud. That auditioned to get really like in your head. Does it take you like I need to take to get into it? Not always use. I like what I make tapes. Actually I don't harp on it like I like to do one and sometimes to out do over and over again Look I didn't hurt us again. Like COMECON guy can't eat the morning before comecon like what? I'm really nervous like I don't eat. Today is really bad. Like it's mother's Zaidi rules. My stomach I've actually just in past few but six months or so. That's starting to change family eating more working out more like restaurants levels lower. Yeah I get really nervous dictates my appetite for sure. I love it. Well this has been. This has been incredible. I you know I've been wanting to talk to you for a while and I heard so many good things about you from everybody. There wasn't anybody with. There's one person who's now now. Everybody's like you know this is. This is a normal great guy who works really hard and his pleasant to work with. I mean you always wanted to hear like humans. I'm sure there's times onset. Where you through Christian Bale? But the ever flip out homing gotten a lot. I've gotten way but I'm pretty much do that anymore. But I used to like sees him once to ahead in my head to like being in season three probably being a number one was like heart of my job was to keep the day going into like 'cause I do the show better than like the director. Whatever but like I didn't have enough respect for guest directors. The first few seasons nine like they had done a lot more than I don than what they were doing in I got into my head from partly for myself partly for other people telling me that like Otniel Christner. GonNa listen to all like. Why are we shooting shooting and like I came to realize that type of behavior only didn't it didn't help but it stressed me out more like that guy added times become that guy and I don't do that shit anymore like our conversations with the director about things that are going on but I tend to not publicly declare onset anymore. There's something to be said about you know. I think we've all done that. We've all like anywhere doesn't have to be acting whatever you know you. It's just a waste of energy. It's like this day. What am I saving ten minutes? Twenty probably losing and it's just causing me grief and stress. Let's just I'm here film. Let's just film. Yeah I mean that was the biggest downside lack of experience that I had when I started doing. Flash was in something being the number one was. I think I could have learned watching other people like the did it the right way but I don't you know it. It doesn't help just wasted energy to come in like that. You're helping the day regarding by like declaring that like we need everyone we get it. You're twenty three years old too by the way I'm telling you I don't know what would have happened if I would have like. I mean I was twenty six and thank God. I wasn't lead second to Tom. But you know But I had been working for a while. I just feel like I wasn't ready for for tip to carry a show into Kudos to you for like being able to do especially stress and the anxiety. The whole shows on my back. You could start really thinking about these things. And that's also what I've learned now is just stop thinking about tomorrow. You really honestly sound stupid. Just think about today right now. What do you have to do? I have to do these lines too. Great as I can. And that's it. I don't have to think about these other days right now because stress the shit out of myself. I think that's I think that's probably what you've eventually did was just okay. I'm here. It's really just an investment year year and a half. I realized you know I could be a lot easier on myself in the whole production and I didn't put so much pressure on myself to feel like my number one roll like until more than it actually tell which is just burning scenes being. You know most prepared friendliest person I can be. How many seasons left us a flash ONE ON MY CONTRACT TO? That's GonNa be a tough woman. They throw money at you and they're like. Hey Yeah. The conversation actually had started already for adding potential eight nine. This happened and everything has stopped so and we don't know when we're going back in we didn't finish our last. What should have been our last three episodes to episode of Season Six So our not. I mean we might do those strips. We go back for seven to lead into what we were going to so many way. Anna's come back in I don't know and we're GONNA continue. The negotiation talks to also. There's two thoughts to one. Well if I do sign for season eight nine you know. I'll be fine for quite a while. I have family Blah Blah Blah. Then we'll have to worry as much now. There is like you know I've done show long enough. I made some money and I just WanNa do my own thing. So it's Kinda that there's both sides to it for sure and like the like we talked about earlier the thing that makes it hard to keep doing it. It's like I really have lost three fields. One theater opportunity that were locked set ready to go and then those things had to push like two weeks and my whole hi. This is two and a half months so like they had it retested. Yeah and that's hard to deal with hurt swallow and I had another one this Essendon this happened so like at movies not happening. Obviously so they'll remember the frustrating law. Remember this to anybody. Who's like you know you've got your friends? You got your whatever but I love my my age nice. And then the guy's the studio is nice. And everybody's going to be like this is what you WanNa do. This is how you the because everybody gets money. Everybody makes money. Just make sure whatever decision you know how to do. Just make sure. Your decisions in your. This is what I want to do. I don't think Iran decision. I WANNA do more to like I when I went into that site to the amount of seasons that you guys did like nobody gets to select that milestone. There's also something incredibly like we we did that and I don't know I mean I'm glad to that. I was like locked into the contract. I was locked in to talk about those earlier stressful seasons like if I could like their plenty of crew members that law after season two like I probably would've also because this is too stressful like this is too hard. The hours ridiculous. I want to just walk season two. I was like lockdown Glad like this let you know that have been on the journey on our side it as long as I can. Probably you get great fans. I look at the comments. I look at the love. I love with the support that I go to the cons and the fans are honestly what keeps keeps it all going. I mean without them. It's just unbelievable. Like small is over ten years now and it still go there. And there's a new resurgence on Hulu and I meet these kids and I it just it. Just it's just such an amazing thing. It's amazing thing to have thought and like you have millions and millions of fans and I rest of my life which is pretty special and I get to be one of the animated ones. Yeah not your favorite five seventy two seasons. I was animated. Look it surprises me because I was just my voice. I know people love all the. But you're you embody you're the you're the physical and the your I mean I I love. I love it. Love US THE FLASH FLASH FLASH LIST SONGS. Well look at my followers. 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Into the unknown to paint houses in Hawkings

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Into the unknown to paint houses in Hawkings

"In a cloud where there are already too many film podcasts. You have to ask yourself. What's the harm one? More ordinary men armed with unqualified opinions. Talk Filming to me my friends and welcome to talk film. It's made podcast film podcast about News Entertainment General Pub Culture. We talk about films past present and future what we love what we didn't love and maybe all of the Phantom in between if you like that if you like to cut avow then click on the light follow subscribe whatever bust an concert from Tocqueville me. Anyway let's crack on. I'm joined on the today with my with my cherry to my hand silo with my mom to my dumber with Nicholas cage to basically fucking anything can sign John. How you doing buddy very very good? I'm in the same room as you again to on the bounce on is getting. It's getting nice scandalous. Can Use your face again. Well this is episode one hundred and one. We're talking talking about secret. Cinema talk frozen to going to be talking about the Irishman and a bunch of other filming sophomore. Waving during the last week we have been watching well I watched the first episode so of succession. Have you heard about this seat. Sam Bain on one game. I'm always like a six month later kind of guy I'd like everyone keeps telling me. Oh my Gosh Barracuda now. Six months later on fucking loving it six months after everyone else. I'm always in so give it another four months and I'll get in succession succession but the thing is are they even fucking issues about but the fame shown I've heard a billion times already is apparently is a Banger is with you it. It's is I've if anyone should fast episode if I hadn't watched free enough hours of the Irishman I've probably been halfway through the first series. I still had it was a slow burner but Sam Payne of peepshow fame. He half apiece bright he's readiness Said Americans show HBO so some Scotland Bevere Pain in the ass for a lot of us in England. Watch it. That's fess APSOS. Totally got me hooked. I am so in it. A soda based on the Murdoch's empire by obviously a fictional is your strategy now. This whole family owned the boat at his first episodes laid out these characters. So well right now you just like watch the rest of this immediately. But I had enough. I was of the hours from hot to yes. It was great. Let's fight prison onto that. I've been looking film Switzerland. The amount of people who are like proper bitching moaning Oh was always referred Hoffa Life Komo Still Watch it into goes like I did. I had free fittings two billion tonnes. There's one person ACOG members name apologies but basically it came amount in general release in the cinema last week and it came out on Net flicks on the twenty seventh which is the first day and on Wednesday night are so. It's one ongoing tweeting. A photo innocent Emma on his about the Irishman. You know fucking dedication and odor marks Cassese my side. What is or isn't isn't cinema? You're watching why he intended on a phone or a tablet in Abou- not fair play to sew up in watching fun space season two. That's came out in that flakes last week really enjoying that for the season but now Yakim smart reviewing the finals for the first set. Wherever made the first season ticket or haven't found that yet newson's doesn't mean it's not going to get good on about seven episodes in? I love it. It's the same Leica. United that guy in depth stranding came out a couple couple of weeks ago Hideo Katrina Mcclain. Everyone signs me after about thirty hours. You get really good I can think medium. Do you have to ca ashamed many hours on to enjoy but anyway let's start off l.. I review meaning. John went to secret cinema an undisclosed location to review view. Stranger things their latest endeavor. So here we are enjoy Secret cinema for the UNINITIATED secrets in my is an immersive cinematic experience. Where basically undisclosed London location gets taken over in the theme and the guys over various movie or TV show and guests are invited to go and party get involved? It's the best way to immerse yourself in a cinematic experience. They have done films already. Like blade runner. They have done twenty eight days later. Combat's future and most recently Don Casino Royale which we reviewed a few months ago on the podcast. And I'll tweet ab you're interested in that review as well this time around going into the world a TV. In fact this is a collaboration with net. flicks is right there on the poster in partnership with and I've got the seal of approval to go and take us to Hawkins. This is right stranger. Things are afoot in London and secret. Cinema invited US there to go have a bit of a poke around John full disclosure. We were invited. You know we went as the press. JUNKET staff What did you think I I absolutely loved it and I am the uneasy initiated right? I've never been to one of these things. I've heard you talk about them. You tell tell me about previous ones. They've done none of them. Ready made me think it would be a great marriage to fly theater and cinema the massive convent payment but this this stranger things. Everyone dresses up as characters. I mean there's so much you can do and it did not disappoint Ato Ifo. It was absolutely wicked in the moment you saw get there. Just start walking around doing whatever you light the Atkins sit there and get this way down. You can get involved in the myriad of little storylines all characters or two characters. It was just incredible and I had a grail Of like Oh. There's something between so fits Iran cinema laying paying extra at your a Superfan of whatever it is and it just makes so much sense for. It was amazing. So the actual experience right so you you get a ticket to prevent then you get given a persona you heard about those murder mystery things like that right you get given a character and the backstory and you have an assignment or a mission to do when you get there. We you would give out assignments we will return to Hawkins. And we're working on the media. Par Within Hawkins Any more details than that. We have been briefed firm and what we can count spoil and then we had a great time so if you WanNa send it was something from the moment you step in the moment all of a sudden longer in in London and it's a dreary twenty nine tatum. We're all GONNA die because of global warming and the elections are fucking terrible all of a sudden. It's nineteen nineties Middle America and you're in Hawkins and it's not just the people that make this. It's as the staff that get involved as wedding. The paper I hire these are not like broadish pans. How actors these people top of their games really really honing Ashcroft and immerse themselves in the experience which means you get messed and they're having fun because they get to improvise? Obviously a sat sat what they can and can't do but there's a lot of improvisisation involved so much interaction. Every night is going to be completely different. And Yeah that I mean that's what Kuwait spend an evening. And I think the best testimony can give to. This is that we're British and sometimes British people eh encouragement to get involved in this stuff. When we turned up it was raining it was cold we were hungry and yeah the first couple of minutes Turnoff can be bothering my thing. But ten minutes later we were running around. We were immersed in our characters we were talking to everyone. We want to involve and the best part. Is that the general public against this as well I have narratives that might end up interacting with you because if you all narrative and we just got lost. They didn't wait. Yeah there were times that we have a beer for pound. Yeah this is this is during. Can you be fired because of all the different things you could get up to. Yeah it's very UN British mentally isn't it because as a load of interactions with various people going south fancy dress the per. I think I kind of feel like that's what this country needs a moment now. My God more than ever. I mean this is this skype isn't the highest order within a fandom of something I think you probably know in love because you've just spent a lot of money on a ticket to stranger things which probably means you. I found a stranger things. This is your ultimate experienced. Why would include food so one of the things which I was wondering how they would solve is the white traditionally works Guy Mash yourself inexperienced right period of time? It concludes with an event where you will watch said medium so casino royale. We've done some cool casino. He stuff I think I can talk about now because events over but I want against Terrific details just in case of that but you ultimately end up watching film now. Stranger things is in season free. There's probably about thirty hours worth of material area. What the head I going to do and they solve the problem is not necessarily how solvent I do any only the only way secret cinema? Saif doc anyone trying to like intimidate intimidate and we'll try to mimic this is not GonNa do it to this degree. Normally this this passion that is to this level detail. They got fucking Netflix. It's on the post because Netflix given their thumbs up. Say Yes you may. I approve this message. Roughly fucking sorry. It's absolutely brilliant. The amount of immersive data goes into this. If you are a stranger things fan. This is a celebration initially fucking pilgrimage. View initially your your got Damn Woodstock of Oh my God. I remember when friends. I happened in London to the cafe and stuff like that. But I'm up to eleven and because of the way immerses itself with the actors that the drama the culture has its own law and everything else. Between if that I'd Ilitch his best compromise can give it. I went home. What stranger range of things that night? I guess you up for it as an speaking of someone who is a strange things fan without being superfan. Yeah I still absolutely loved it. I I feel like a mega fan. This is the ultimate. Isn't it really like never mind a marathon actually going somewhere just in Annemasse in yourself in that whole world is is pretty cool is about as good experiences a fan you can get ready. I will say we're not obligated to you. Give this you know. Yeah Yeah Yeah exactly. If we didn't like it we would've just done our review because yeah yeah. It's Nice Nice being invited to stop. You've got nothing nice decided and I will. You don't need a slagging off but I'm win on that because we actually fucking loved it there is one thing will say you you know we might have been caught off guard. Flynn because let's face it toilets were cooling and we did not go at the opportune time. Yes Sir yeah yeah well. Yeah you want Tony Breaks Tactic. Yeah just remember you need to go. We don't fucking children children but we buy seaworld children immersed in it so much. I need to talk to us. We were burst in but I mean yeah I mean that's just a testament estimate how Li- immersive WanNa step away for any moment. Really and how can we say that we. Can't you know that that's part of the thing of this dress. Big or go. uh-huh definitely the best part. Is you now out height to have been someone who just went from work. And then their powerful above. I think there was some but I mean everyone's eighties eighties can be on big issue could Gabon. Donald because of what we should say is that you can put what you get into. This is what you what you absolutely. That's what you get out of. This is what you put into. It won't draw inside and if you not that so a person that likes to interact with lots of people and wants to get involve not stuff. That's okay and that psychiatry say Mas. Well you could just go and drink in the atmosphere and and now times wearing. Actually that's just take a step back. We Spicer Review in his fucking thing. That's actually just have a look around and look at it from every angle and if you just did a view of ours I just want to watch the immersive experience but not participate. You can so do you have a great time. There's lots of things to get involved in their site. The foam out of there is like four one hundred things going on around you. You find time to get there early. No do not fake. You'll just rock up for the last hour and you'll get loads avid and you want to be every second couldn't because there are so many different things to definitely worth the money in my opinion and auto eight thousand quite hefty when you look at just as a price but you have to go every week now nine and I mean you could go again and if there's something completely different eat which is kind of that's kind of good aspect of it if you 'cause I a lot of foam. Oh yeah because there's so much to do you like I got time to do it. All that's happened and the white concludes as well so fun. So I if it gets you involve you are literally breeding every episode of stranger things you are seeing around your a your interacting with it. If you're I mean they're hit the nail on the head this one when I saw the poster for the first time stranger things I mean yeah it's cool but it's going to work look on even futures a fan of the eighties it was. It's a perfect marriage. They've nailed it with this one. I can see this one really making it properly. I believe mainstream so that may be outside of London coming in Alipay from nine to do. Come down for your point in terms of like. It's just another thing thing where people but all my God like. They've done amazing job on this and they're now this is the first time standing in the world of TV so would love to see where they go. And what they I do next but honestly like this. This is the best one year and you know. It's definitely a five-star Noah town if you have a stranger things fan in your life breath dial guys who love this. This is the best Christmas present. You could probably get them. If they are into this overstock yes. Incredible they've probably got enough. TAT's demine experience agreeance and stats treatment. And then we got. We probably will do a giveaway of some kind relating today's Probably a TV show or something Armenian. Oh you better keep us posted on that and yes so they have five five experience secrets in our present stranger. Things uh-huh John Yes as I I he for your old male on Arnie assuring that frozen is one of your favorite movies of all time. Bloody love it. May You did work for Disney Murdoch time and cited your wife. Did you did froze as far as that when you were at his neck Eh. Yeah I'd say we worked for Disney about five years after frozen came out and it was still the most dressed up at. You know there was else's Oh says and what the codes are. Lana on a ever all over the ship so frozen just like you weren't so the ship you didn't billion someone at Disneyland it was It was still phenomenal five years. Do this is. It was a big one. I definitely have no time for the music But I had enough well turns out you can have even more good things. I will review in a little bit frozen to the fries and say came out a couple of weeks ago and already become Disney's highest earning animation of his opening weekend of all time. That's fucking insane like we can only we young. We knew that was going to happen to us. By surprise let's say frozen has such a cultural impacts. I think it was probably what really long stay. Dry Kill kill me for scientists but I- Semi Rene since within Disney animation. What I really went big on computer animation? Yes picks up. That's not Disney Company Disney as Nia quiet and I learned some lessons from frozen big hero six record raffle that sort of stuff because the money generated from a film white frozen and tangled to be fair offer that it also means that this becomes Disney's highest earning animation movie ever for an opening weekend and I think he's clearly the billion dollar mark is insane two billion with it being so close to Christmas install was coming out really soon. I don't know that can do it and and I tried it becomes I in China then absolutely. I don't know. And there's only certain number of films foreign films against released in China over the diversity meant that quote here but yeah it is fascinating and we'll talk about more than a review but the review is very much more songs more characters frozen to fast to frozen three honest. That's May Not necessarily aimed at us. Let's talk about something else. Might be a little bit more. Controversial talks about the Michael Jackson movie that that was being skype. Fat Bottomed Payment rhapsody producer last week. So it's out more paperwork diving on this well. Johnny Depp of all people is going to be producing a movie following the life with Michael Jackson as told from his glove now. There are a number of statements that are wrong there which probably shouldn't ever exist. Yeah what's your take on. That kind of sounds a bit Johnny Depp. kind of makes sense but again how on earth I mean is there a S- obviously about Michael Jackson freeze glove. I've noted telling me intrigued and let's make how the same thing. Fuck it. Mike Mike It. What was that show is a cartoon in the eighties where it was about talking shoes these shoes that would talk talk? It'd be a current member after someone will shout out and you're on now. That's a lot about these shoes that had like is is it. We'll talk to you. Know maybe glove has wise and it'd be like it's the hands from addams family creeping around actually starting to go into. I need a lawyer before I make like more accusations Sarah insurance but once Johnny Depp Dennis Man. I'll say I once had this debate with someone in a pub and she absolutely categorically defended Johnny Depp in everything he does. I'm under select. But he's we should put out there accusations of the of domestic violence train him and his girlfriend time and we need to listen to that and we can't decide because you'll Johnny Depp that this slides very story. If is he was an ugly fucker. Would we have been saying the same thing. I'm asking the question. I was absolutely flabbergasted but I could feel my in the last five years joined-up maybe not but I remember for a long time I would watch. NFL Movement because it was a it was a home up for a minute yet. So uh I've still got time for him but yeah I mean I don't remember back growing up when we were younger thinking he was kind of salt the F. Oh never allegations. NFL and then merge breakdown and suddenly and it tells you for the rest of your life. So accidental partridge research. But yeah he was in that fantastic. Beasts sequel. For some reason I've recast INFO and they made it Johnny Depp and I think probably gonNA recast again but Yeah I got to go to be honest. I got time for him. I ain't got time for this. This weather's film. He's currently Jason By. I'll tell you what time full going I'll obey nostalgia for Mister e Yes Trish Zero missed a Mr Go to Mr. Well we have. We have missed the T TO BE MR table at Mr. Smith's the ATA as alien from another planet doesn't mean whitestone genders or maybe good point. Good Point I think my advice is before I denounce audience anyway. This was trending for a couple of weeks actually and and in various different countries where rumors when the advert drop side. At was back on our screens albeit for about free minutes in the form of an advert for Sky TV. It is more interesting because they've got the original child. Actor Elliott to reprise his role as an adult man and at return. At come home for Christmas with literally via the family. There's something quite charming about that. So many nice these child to the public eleven light. You want to do this to grant absolutely there's all sorts of the guy he probably doesn't work in a nice. You probably do themselves to MacAulay. Culkin was that last zero. You remember home alone with Google. Assisted reenacted jumping on. The bed is like a five year old man. I love it do it while the classic films would you like to see come back in. Ob and at four. I don't know I've seen any films all doesn't they grind your as a little bit. When especially sky the most guilty they take beloved films and tenements that adverse? Yeah I know I just WanNa say here's what here's one Amazon. Prime for Black Friday never didn't story story. The dragon delivering the Apostles. Okay would you go about an cry kid. Yeah they're if you're an advocate OBA GIBB Daniel son pulling up in picking you up pretty good. Good I would car rebound respect the guy from Kibe Ricardo. I'm racing highbrow daddy didn't mention it. That's why the classics I was called yesterday. Dow Jeff as prime nostalgic territory. Isn't it well about robocop. bo-kaap Rabbi Club delivery fucking services Titan. Hollywood as I am actually just like just like restroom. I fried burgers and whatever and an or any futuristic. This sat around about now. I like coming and just concede in. They got everything wrong. Yeah that would make a good ad. How interesting political one had murphy turn up inside Generalife the Burgers August come with Mary and I may well? I'd like to see the mighty ducks somehow integrate. You yes forty five year old man for four hundred men running along and a Flying v formation delivering something. Could it could happen here. Is that with more ideas on that. Anyway we don news for so Last week because of the Macintosh terms of mimics had. Let's break up a bit. So coming up is a review of frozen to prerecorded this last last week. We didn't get in time for last week's part solar slaughter in now and here. He is enjoy far away as north as we can go once stood an enchanted forest enchanted forest. Yes it was a magical place but something went wrong since since then no one can get in or out with ethic dreaded run from it's the see who froze of ribes nonetheless. Yes of course a film that's had such a cultural impact on children across the world has made billions of dollars. It was inevitable we were going to get the WHO frozen to yes. We Are Back Elsa the Snow Queen and her sister Ama- embark on an adventure far away from their kingdom kingdom arendal but they're joined bar friends that we know of Kristof I relief and spin but so much more happens in between this film is set shortly after the events of the first frozen film. Of course those many to seek who spin off things they've done at this is the big next Tau in. This doesn't follow the same team. So of trump's of traditional eight cools right. It's doesn't try and just double down Charles to explore new stuff and the sinister purse. The Mir saying you're trying to explore new stuff because because you want to have new songs and new characters new toys but let's go down the story telling route of they've found another way to find more stories about acceptance captains and finding out the it's not just about traditional story tropes that Khan known come to expect at. I'm going to be honest. I'm a massive fan the first film because it's not aimed at for your old straight men it's aimed at children and anyone who wants to fit acceptance and fairplay. They've done it again in inch loads in this movie the best the toughest critic for this is my two and a half. You're outdoors who I took to go see this. She absolutely loved it. She was smiling. modding it's basically the story is that Arran Dow has been hit with a curse. It's something to do with a forest is nearby and going to explore what is going having on. I'm not going to go anymore. Sport horrific than not. You can get most of that from the Trina in terms of the songs and stuff there are some beltre's the into the unknown is kind of this film's version of Lego. It's going to have as much a cultural impact. Just the first film had but it's very enjoyable nonetheless. I yeah well. All went in with pretty low expectations. Speaking it's going to be another one of their kids. You know just go fuck it as a burden and I get out you know what. I'm sorry but I actually walked out with a big smile on my face. I thought the animation was breathtaking. Cinematography of the animation was beast. I laugh is just as a door and fucking annoying as ever have a somewhere between being hilarious and being annoying and he's always on the end of that spectrum never seems to find a middle ground. The story gets a little bit confusing for a second. I'm going to be honest like I actually had to be wise. That dare why are the elements involve wise the forest during the spring but ultimately the conclusion pays off in a very similar similar wise. The first film in terms of macguffin. There's not a big thing need just needed to be changed as just about looking in yourself and this film does that as as well. Great Lesson for kids. Great Lesson Fateh to reflect on as well. Is this the best animated film with this year. Well actually I think that frozen to enjoy story four ORNA dilutes devote and will probably say that the dragon movie there. How China Dragon furred movies? Probably going to be the best animated movie for that reason. But is still a very very worthy sequel nonetheless is going to make a truckload of money it will continue to make a truckload of money and it probably will be furred frozen. Movie just for completeness. This was directed erected by Jennifer. Lea and Chris Buck the music was composed by Christoph Beck and that's the screenplay was generally in Addison Sharona. So there we go. Let's go have some quick views but frozen to is not a slam dunk. Take the whole fanfare. Everyone now is done by Paul. AC on twitter. And and. I concur with that I think is very much a free out of five. There was a free five. Thousand Maine is a bad movie. I don't think it's like forget or anything like that about. Yeah yes I've seen. The first one was such a revelation. This is more of the same from that perspective. other reviews bring James Burden Ellie. He's is back again is let's go there. So he said that and I quote frozen tears are worthy follow up with enough action in music to entertain younger and older viewers alike. Yes the library of that guys said it was a stinker Matthew Tacona from the San Diego Reader said not much to gain against a good deal of mess. ooh That's Maybe not agree with that. One LAKA SIPHO MAY is a free. Al I've take the kids you got to enjoy some new voice acting in this. We've got sterling K.. Brown he's in this. He's very interesting as well. We've got Evan Right. You would end of the original cast of Christian bound Josh Gad and the like a back in it as well so they have frozen to free our five question. The whole immortal danger going to be regular news so we talked about this last week. So Charlie's angels came out in America. Erica came out in the UK. This week reboot. Elizabeth Banks is writing and directing She come out makes him not gonNA say controversial subjects because to be honest she didn't come out and so you said you long ago. It's just that's been dug up now was basically saying that. If Charlie's angels bombs it will be because the movie going audience. Do not want to pay for it. Because they by implying that basically action films sexist and we've had I. He's an spiderman movie work we have another Charlie's angels movie and that that did upset some people on the Internet and it doesn't help that the marketing Charlie's angels has been very bad as as it. Yes they went and got some great popstars Ryan Brian. Who Song for it? But let's face it. It's not destiny level promotion and yet it's been hardly any promotion and what surprise is not very well in the box office that does not mean. Elizabeth banks is blaming world innings that certain media outlets are trying to find a narrative to to go in there and yeah she probably GonNa find better ways to address some of that when responses since then but anyway she's guys directing an invisible woman movie now remember and last week were talking about the invisible man trailer which has got Elizabeth Moss in banks. And maybe even starring in an invisible woman and now this is not based on that welded. Our parents might tie in apparently in the nineteen sixties. There was a comedy film. About the invisible woman about mannequin. Or woman who works in a mannequin store or something like that becomes invisible and order shenanigans. She gets up. Today and Elizabeth Banks is helping that John does that. Sound interesting. Sounds sounds like a lot of invisible movies but yeah I forty spot movies. I'm all in for for as long as I really creative ways of like a conscious bay just like a Sauk floating in Edgar who saw yeah now think Elizabeth. Thanks having a moment so I think Anything she does. I'm a big Fan and I'm a bit questionable. She saw south up with the Charlie's angels things. Oh it's not my fault. The movie is definitely not rubbish guys. It's not even out yet but if it bombs is because your problem not made. It doesn't help as well that this is not a foul but in the marketing campaign in London that I'm how big boss fake rhymes like spend money and London's famous for is big right Bossi's as you sponsor the big red buses because when people traveled to London everyone wants to the big red bus. A go you are getting a million type of. You'll post the being shared on social media not just actuated Madonna for fucking years anyway history of marketing. When I went over on those big posters that they've been putting on the buses? There was kind of a fuck up from the agency so at the top of the film they put an Elizabeth Banks Film. They then decide to not put the cart and per Elizabeth Elizabeth Banks Elizabeth banks and another. Elizabeth is a perfect so five times I think it was massive poster and it's SORTA SORTA body actively trying to push through and women's empowerment is Elizabeth by banks. Man It it doesn't help her like I said it's kind of a narrative some media outlets are going full and we haven't seen it yet. Let's be honest reason. Why is because I? I wasn't available for screen because I just had a kid. But at some point we'll catch up on that and maybe do a retrospective review but in all honesty like people come to aspect retrospect too. I'm not really a big Fan of light really retro reviews like you know you see on twitter. Oh my hotel Dressy Park. Welcome might yeah. We know he's a good film. Yeah I'm not sure it's one of them could possibly passes is going to be a net flicks and we might joke about it after The Hague down around but anyway Elizabeth banks is interesting and I can't wait to see what she does with this property. Speaking about interesting people will be Jordan wooden. He has been in some really interesting films document. Creative exactly fantastic. Not to mention kill Manga in Black Panther just to nine bus a few of these amazing things. And he's met with Warner Brothers about becoming superman an interesting idea right. Now be Jordan at Black Superman. I'd be interesting right. I think needs something right. I'm Hemi third record. I love you man if I ever. I know puppy drink cats and I know what dokie bring Dan on dial we'll muster up the courage to come over and be dog but he is superman in for a generation he always will be and he is even come out and said the Cape is still hanging in my cupboard. I've not said goodbye to their. Yeah I think one of ours has for him but let's see what happens there but let's face it. The guys too powerful not really that much interesting in a world where superhero movies or just movies in Germany become more complex. You can't just make strides up movie anymore. You have to find different ways different realities different flavors of society that might see a diverse engaging experience. Some not Michael Jordan can definitely fucking that Yeah Superman is as always i. Think the Lemus Superhero. So I say Michael Jordan David. If Mom's side they have really controversial script about fifteen years years ago written much. Aj Brims and before Star Wars. And before I think it was Ryan cloverfield time matchday And it completely changed. Superman Line Krypton still exists. I doesn't blow up. Superman is not the only criterion that lives on earth like they come back and forth so thing and there was such an issue before the Internet was the Internet and it was like incident but it was kind of like an Internet not not ready and this twitter wall and Internet and even like the feedback was sorry negative of this idea that truth justice and the American Way and and Christopher Reeve and eventually they went down that direction of the Brandon. Ralph Superman Mussa members. which again for my money? I Love Brian I think he's. He's done an amazing Christopher Reeve impression if you wanted to know if Christopher Reeve was still around we made a superman movie in modern times that is. Your film. Doesn't help the director. Theresa is Bryan Singer and the less said about him the better but the actual feel my icon enjoyed. It and Kevin Spacey was other than Brandon. routh anyone else. I should be mentioned from that. But the idea of someone like Michael Jordan taking up the role. Let's not talk about fantastic folks talking films terrible. Not He's fault. Josh Josh Tank the director wrote a review of that Phil read years later about right now well and you could find out what he he. He doesn't go to bed versus really interesting director. He basically he. That project went fucking terrible appearance and that sort of stuff and he wrote review. That would be really interesting. Directors did that more than ten years after the film. Yeah I just explained everything about it. All is the biggest fuck up. So I imagine Zach. Snyder Broder retrospective about the process of making Justice League or other films opposite apparently shawshank redemption was a complete calamity. Ray like everything went wrong by everyone was like dishes now enjoyed making it now that the process was terrible that the pulls production Sharon Schutte are interference. Stephen King was like getting involved in pissing off EPO to the point where no I'm dumb. fucking movie. Shawshank Redemption John. Donald Moving on what is actually one of the best phone. Bizarre isn't it probably shows the power of the immune. Definitely I think miss I'm wolf fame. We'll talk about later in. Our Review Scorsese owes the Ingram along as well when it comes to put an excuse. He's saying editor for his entire career on school. Size as a real. She's only star Percy thanks. She started getting recognition now. like a lot people aside you know what dude you're right direction but you are partnership and only only a fucking partners then. It's not just all about you and again she's the argument and you know we'll talk about that a little bit later on anyway. Let's round off knows So bad td better also as mentioned at the start at. I'll go to the park. I can coach fucking right. View is who saw west right back. Who Song Breaking back whereas athletic let s behind breaking bats? But it's it's definitely not a disappointment. I remember being devious dubious about the prequels but so it was definitely security. You WANNA see more I. I think it's really good shug back. WHO So? I'm this is good. It's the last one so they're going to round off there's is not said it but how can I note. They are because it goes one. Every season mandis diving plays Carton Ovallis paypal is that represents one year sees one started approximately five years before the star breaking bad and this would be season five so that means just by its own logic to season should conclude at around the start breaking back I would love it. Concludes Meeting will Y as literally he goes to work and he gets and while Sydney office that. Yeah they literally recreate the first United Lifetime the he makes them and breaking bad just to kind of I I would like it studiously. A tight too loose ends at the same time one completely agree of you. It should end with him going into his office and meeting. Most what I seen we get for him in breaking bad. I also think this technology trends as the what's been going on in the past which you you get icy Discharges about an always at the stall or maybe sometimes at the end there is a black and white scene of what Jimmy went to. Right isn't not cinnabon getting locked in cupboards and not read very much and being afraid of policemen. Would it be amazing if you find out that that cinnabon is in Alaska and as he's walking home one day he walks past the another gentleman who's just arrived in town. Got Weird Accent Kooning. Everyone Bitch that that. Yeah that's a to be fair. We try to ride our endings but lovely so we just wanted to rent the universe where it's but now like I didn't want him to do to spin off. Movie fucking is brilliant. And now you you got in Vince Gilligan. Trust and he's never let me down now and just a quick thing as I saw in the news was that the show is coming back in February and if in February when discharge finishes Being Watch finish I sign the narrative of releasing one a week. We're still talking about mandatory and we're still talking about succession. We're still talking about else watchmen like I think. Weekly releasing the White Cigar. Yeah Jayme a friends. I mean Bill Up. It was the big show of time he's I think as a world where he's do have binge shows but when it becomes mega it becomes a topic becomes topical often weekly makes more sense but anyway that's let's say about who Bruce L. concludes would you like to see more in this world and ifs. I hope to give a spinoff show today I would take. I would definitely takes Knife I it's really hard to say. Isn't it because it would have to be a pretty cool at this point. Who would you mike my the man? That was the night natural to see how Mike what he did with the cover and he saw problems. I can't be plagued by. He's too you old. Dia Jim the money. Yeah Jim quite easily. Because he's kind of boat. Yeah he's basically just his own. ooh Look at a young ish old man and I'll be happy and just him in New York as a crooked copper and something happens whereas some gets in trouble up washout all day man. We fucking brilliant. And it'd be funny. They got the voice dubbed by the guy applies to recreate voice voice. Now you really. Can't you really anyway. What other shows from breaking bad universe you'd like to see given the prequel treatment gang contact us on twitter at Tocqueville's main? Franks what should be. My cousin. Hustled the Felino. Tough guys around a a tough one. I WANNA thousand workers. Atallah wasn't no more. You got a good friend here. How could you got Russell? He took a shine to me right away after a while. He started giving me little things to do. If there's lot we have been talking about this film for the best part of two years. And that's because we have when the news came out that Mr Martin Scorsese is not only just coming back but he is bringing the band back together. Everyone you have loved nearly anyway in his cinematic indebted his bring them back for one last Hurrah. Dr Richman is a biographical crime for a not that follows the life of frank share and he's played by none other than Robert Deniro he recalls basically the best part of fifty years of his life where he works with people like Al Pacino's is Jimmy Hoffa. He works with Joe Per Skis Russell. I can't pronounce that surname. And there's a bunch of other stuff in between of this now some controversy. I see about this because Mr Mind Scorsese decided to say the week before. The film's release of what is cinema isn't cinema. But here's decided to take on the technology challenge of de Aging. He's prime actors does throughout the film. You will never have the sign Axa in the same age range with the other actor on the same screen at the same time. That's incredible in itself. This is free three and a half. The time is right. You heard correct free and a half hour movie epic on your Netflix Account. At the moment John Before we go deep into this. What's your reaction which bathroom action took me to ghost? Because I wanted to give it the attention it is you want P brakeman and that. Yeah I really liked. I really liked to. I had a lot of hype because I love Scorsese has many of us do and the actors I mean Al Pacino Robert De Niro together. We have a fast. It's been a long time. Come in since that happened. Heat might be lost. One Joe PESCI coming out and saying isn't it allegedly allegedly deniro to convince him to to do it one last time eight even offering couldn't refused firm. It's and it's incredible to see these. I free amazing old veteran veterans back together and given it their game. I mean so private. I would hate to talk primarily about the aging. But it's a big PA the movie. Yeah it's it's almost a character is. Yeah Scorsese's I I mean. It's quite pioneering for very old veteran director to to do this. Trial is new technology probably arguably the most effectively I believe been used so far yes and no. So here's my here's some might my gripes with the the thing and already garage photo. I fucking of this is is that we know what young Rub Deniro looks like. Yes because we have seen in garage roof roof cinematic career for the best part of fifty years. We've seen what Al Pacino looks. We've seen what joy looks like. And when they decided to go back to just around the Second World War and I do some really eclipse chiefs when we saw it. I did side like A. PS Two game engage still looks like a PS two game and they know that they fucking note that because as I blink and miss it seen is that she just just a quick impose a fight shoots gum. That is to say the job done. But I wanted to stick in the try to shut Adrian. Should I cover in this and what I found fascinating that Robert Deniro brings his game to this right. Nice and gentlemen is twenty nine. I'm Robert Deniro is fucking still hitting out the parking kitty out apart with junk and he fucking unwound a up and headed even further. Dr Schmidt which means he has been involved in. Every policy was a juicer. There's a really charming and Stephen Graham who is in this film as well. Good to say Stephen Graham get some real acting chops in this as well and he obviously he played Jimmy Hoffa in Moscow sese show and he has the apply across Al Pacino. Playing Jimmy Hoffa just quite interesting but as management. Sorry Robert Deniro really really encapsulate. He's character also the film crazy. AC process in this which means he done most of the stunts done everything for his character but Itim. So when frank is supposed to be an East Asian so he looks like a that year out. Robert Deniro Bay still walks like an old man in the room. I mean the face looks aside when you get out your nose in your ears. GET BIGGER THAN Steve Young entice. You drive a rubber zero. I mean I mean it almost looks like a different person and service. It's really it's a really tough thing to do and obviously you can't you can only d. h.. The body so so far and he kind of walked the educate the walking resumes. Yeah there is a scene outside groceries almost van opting writing almost laughable because the fight is a kind of looks terrible and I was really surprised it was saying I come. Yeah but it's it's I mean I would hate because so much love and attention guns movie. I would hate for that to be too much attraction. But if I'm honest the aging it was hard not to think about it most seen so I found it shut in some of the people did but like I said it might be just a a case of new technology. What film is free and a half hours long because because the first hour is probably more jarring is because you get flashback scenes where it goes really already fall back when I talk a little bit about the war hopes over about these people meeting for the first time and Yeah there's a the same grocery store she's verging on laughable awful but towards the end of the film your sil- absorbed in shape the performance. You don't give a fucking shit and this is what great actors. They're right they bring you into the point where is literally a masterclass from Deniro. In his film I reading a fantastic is what is dry. Patchy is. That's not their side. There's one person out Sean. Everyone because they were fantastic but you can really say the relationships they have for each other in this film especially between Joe Pesci and De Niro. Right there's just a look of administration and love and friendship that has been built for oversee the best part of the sixty years of the camera and it shows on the cameras. Well yeah well I find fascinating bathroom and masterful storytelling is that there are free troops. That happening in film free story tropes that intertwine there is frank as a very very old man. Dan in a care home been school. sightsee movie is going to now. Right over is going to talk about. History is going to talk about what happened to certain people when they died and stuff is the old man rekindling a law. That's passed then. There's a story in the middle of without but we're not quite dead yet and we're going to do a road trip movies and buddy movie. We're driving across. I the country during that drive. We're going to rekindle and talk about and regale ally. I've got to this point. And then you've got the story you've got the boy who grew up. You got the boy who become the gangster gangster who let's not spoil anything where it goes from there. Double Flash Batman movie isn't yes a flashback of flash actually extent and it jumps it jumps trump's free periods. It doesn't tell you what's going on. It doesn't even try and hints at certain things. It's the narrative and dialogue bent on that confuse it sounds confusing describing it but no no even with the agent sometimes it was questionable but it was always quite clear what what was going on how the story was being this. Let's not so bad. The big names so got some big names but not big is the big names Jesse. Clemens is in this film yes in see him. He seems as like just getting older good movies at the moment. Parts which is great because he's a brilliant brilliant accent and again one of those guys were. That's fine you said. He doesn't transform his body L. D. for whatever direction he wants but he just let's talk him. He's great and as mentioned Stephen Graham. I love him. I think he's come a long way from from Tommy in snatch to fucking sitting in a room with Al Pacino in holidays. I'll be honest. I have a massive man crush on Al Pacino. He is my favorite profile actor of all time. He was so good in this as well. The aged little bits and again it's kind of laughable. Sometimes sometimes there is device but the buddy's still the body and the body goes where it needs to guy with older is fantastic. I think this is the last her offer of these actors. Joe Apache coming at retirement for it they leave and aged and all sorts of things in between awful as performance was was masterful. Yeah I mean the best acting has has done in these kind of sitting across the table and just the dialog between the dollar yes. I mean like all great movies that so it's all what about things that aren't being said in the conversation. I is is almost I hate to bring them up again. It's sort of like the way trump speaks where he's not. Aw He's directing people. He's not quite telling them to do that. But they know that it's more bustle. And it's just fascinating like Frank Doc. He his face just melts. Because he knows he's been asked to do something but not explicitly but the mouse he semantics. Incredible is quite. I found it quite bleak movie in a way it is. There's not there's no onto route for the main characters deeply flawed and is quite miserable. Much the Scorsese gangster movie. Because it doesn't go the whole like less less less less type. Some tropes that puts his gangster movies. There's the flashback scene. There's the music scene where you hear some lady narrating over about how great life is about how we we live like kings and got steak everywhere and everyone's high fiving he inadvertently does not do that on purpose because he tried to kind of different ways of signing which is amazing. Some of these. I used to be trying new stuff but let's face it. Let's talk about some stuff. That and he is a man of a set time period generation. I don't think he's very good at rising rising for female characters. He never has been but he kinda gets a free pass because it's mind school so he's not necessarily good at representation people of Color as well. You know he does. He has tackled Tobu's and he does talk about Anti Semitism in this film and he tackles that in a way which is reflective of the characters not rep sensitive of him mm-hmm safer. Yeah I would say I mean. It's a tough one. The Mayo thing he writes. I mean these mob movies set in the seventies seventies. Anna Pat Quinn. Who Plays Peggy? The Frank's daughter in this she gets something like six or seven lines in throughout the movie but the amount of work. She's doing in her face in her reaction also the child actor of her before. Yeah Final Rhino Up. She doesn't acing. It's incredible how much she saying. Just looked so I. I would really hate to criticize this movie particularly for saying Oh you know. kind of like What was the last movie that got criticized for time so on that level I would hate for? She's ready doing so much work. as front door tells so much the story basically Kinda highlights his. How messed up? He's he is with his family and his the biggest life regret so. I'd hate to criticize it for that. And at the end of the day Martin Scorsese italian-american new gangster movies primarily early. And I said why man's game so I kind of think their arguments slide redundant for for that point of view but you know I guess he starts to what is news and that can be a good thing. Let's talk about what the film community out there. Speaking about this. This is Ron Smith. Is it self-seeking. I'll give some quotes from James Burden from real reviews dot com and I quote whether seeing the big screen or smokescreen Oh screening is among twenty nine teens best mushroom pictures and should receive its fair share of Folks Oscar attention in twenty twenty grave that I think it deserves. It deserves a few notes. And in what what about why while it good for Non Side it can do another of one of his Oscar speeches notorious. He famously had a very abrupt one in the offing. Think Deniro deserves the bulk of it. Less big it's amazing to see them both. They all bring their game. Ray Game after Deniro. You know. Let's face. It had uh had a gap of movies like he was just so having fun in the. Yeah which is fine but I mean and this just to say bring their game and do that together again is amazing. I mean say it's a master class by I can't five you know I mean I felt. Should we talk about the bad things. I have a bad reviews. Christopher Lloyd at the film yet the argument is basically a Marty Scorsese. buffy little always gangster movies lots of Yummy morsels but but it doesn't really come together as a coherent meal and just to counter that as well Rachel Wagon from Rachel reviews dot net. She follows us. Hey Rachel Indians. The pacing is too ponderous address and self indulgent. The carrots is a two stagnant and the story lacks an emotional punch now. What our love this film? I do agree with those views to an extent. There is an unemotional punch. You want that to be you want to be. You want a message to come out of it. I think I did. But like we said it's bleak so if you're hoping for some sort of marshmallow ending or something then you're going to be disappointed but I think it was a really good move. A by do agree with the ponderous pacing free and a half. I was going to say I mean East. East is too long suffering our officers at I. Just I really enjoy these actors and I really enjoy this commode of storytelling and obviously now does it. Bell then Scorsese Give me more like a fucking love chocolate ice cream. Give give me. This is my fucking top of chocolate. Ice Cream are might regret and have a soul. I need to go to the gym for six months off. But you not fuck it is Christmas. I'm indulging by the and you're right you're coming into this. You are a massive fan of his films. You're massive fan of these people on Twitter bitching amount insane. I don't WANNA watch it don't it's quite simple. There's enough reviews out there. The world is not going to change because you didn't sit down and watch his half hour gangster epic which is what it is but I do agree that there's something about there is not an emotional punch. This is not a fairy tale and there are some self indulgent things like. I can't help. It does annoy me where he'll meet someone and it's just a fucking extra right. I'm shaking your hand. Hey we're restaurant. Hey Yeah talk about that talk me. Why nineteen fifties fifty swing on it but then just flashes up? Tommy John Knox died nine thousand nine hundred shot in the head free times. Who Cares enough that this is does that mean that was like? Did you find that. So from village. I felt self-indulgent loved that are for. That was really cool. I was just. It was just the realities of walk. The mall was like at that time. It was Juno Alpha and less glorifying of the modern gangsters then some of his older movies. I liked that because too often criminals get glow fight in these movies. These witty amazing lines and this was a a lot more rail. The violence was just. I mean he was a Hitman. You know he just potentized gun. Show someone twice in a bind houses. Yeah that's the way done. You know the violence silence was just glorified. It was just as every day as you would expect to be all shot him twice in the head. Clean up gun. If I if I might just film ten years ago it would have been glorified. It would have been fucking he. No no no not not Marty. Not My tarintino directed it may we. We know multiple. I like that. He's really stuck with guns as he knows he's living in a world of one and a half hour superhero movies to an extent holding people's attention. It's harder than ever and he's gone. I'm actually going to test you further. So I'm making some people might say that elitist by think he's it's really good. They stuck to his guns his way of storytelling. He let's face. It hasn't got that many more stories the towel we could've said that before what is right and he's pulled this out the backside. Never Y'all dug off. I'd love to see more opportunity now. I'll have more Yeah well I think is now and in lethal weapon movies. I'll keep trying to push for yourself parents. That's all right. Don't actually care. Cellphones Joe. Patchy comedies are few we we need more of them all right. So let's let's give this soccer school. We talk about this being a potential late entry film of the year. We think it's one of those a faint. It deserves to be mentioned but then they moved on quickly. Greg great film is if no I. I'll be really interesting to look back in about a month of the year right. Yeah so after is a reluctant for is this the best best streaming original movie the well off conflict. The Eva's now give me some giving some classics like Hush. That was last year. We have got now. I'm struggling if I would say Probably as the movie is the best. netflix movie no. There's been some. There's been some good ones this year. The actually I I I believe the budget was one hundred. Eighty million dollars for this assists. Maybe that must be mostly actors out retire probably the agents and basically the amount of film they probably. Admission is a director's cut of this. Wow so I agree about fading. Four Athol I've I think yeah I would have to go for. I'm I guess yes. I was hoping for a five. And it's I just don't think of course as best I can really good. I think the vast majority of US had floor out forever now head before we seeing the film I had five hours. I think four I meant is four. Stars are already on the paper whiting. Confirm it's a five acid job done then the more you go into. This is not what I got. I got something different and two more expecting. They still really good so I went in expecting chocolate. Vanilla and and Vanilla Vanilla Never GonNa win ice cream of the year so I I agree so there you have it. The Irish men available on your netflix account breath later everybody foot he is. He's going to go. Oh I know how you feel trust me I nine thank you so much for listening to this podcast. If you've enjoyed listening to this as apple mentioned mentioned in the indirect if you let the customer if you like us talking fill me then. Maybe you're willing Scotty to click on the follow light subscriber bus and it. Is You get more concept to me. You know they'll get. Jonathan clicked that follow them to share. Now John we can't keep giving out but what I will be getting the next month we'd be doing. NPS CBS special. Whereas I guys beat during Christmas special edition films guys paid non edible? Christmas will also guys doing fun end of year. Part where it's going to be my games and and that sort of thing go a couple of interviews lined up and a couple of final that will press releases things but of course. We can't talk about Christmas and films about the Star Wars Autism being involved and yes we will beginning index Boyer Iffy on Star Wars to rise Scott took part in fourth. That's a lot of work but I will do it because people we don't do it for the money you Know Gossiping Money Anyway Bill until next time John It's been absolutely pleasure Asia as always buddy happened. People find your you can find me at detrimental on twitter and I have been Adam Fleet anyway if this is the last time you. 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Episode 527 - Flagship VR Game - 11/21/19

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Episode 527 - Flagship VR Game - 11/21/19

"For Thursday November Twenty Twenty nineteen. Welcome to this is only a test official podcasts. Gasol tested DOT COM Gremlin sound yes. Of course a Gremlin sound. Hey welcome the podcasts. Everyone this week. We are officially in holiday mode. We are one week away from stateside thanksgiving. I think Canadian thanksgiving may have already happened. It was a full full month ago. That's right and so we are in full not only a celebrating the holiday spirit but also holiday a pop culture. We have of course a bunch of Hollywood films coming out and one of our favorite holiday films. No let's not talk about diehard is gremlins and hence if you're watching the video that's why why that is the reason why yes a three only this are wearing these gremlins had this is the most important green based organism little in our lives a little green creature with big ears these are actually from screening of Gremlins. Assure you did along with the Alamo Draft House last. This year is a part of the science and Cinema series yet. I for big screen science. We did a gremlins one. We'll do it again in a couple of weeks. Amazing and of of course everyone tears because shorts here here is the on high as part of that big screen science series. You had quite a screening this past week. Let's get right to it so friend of the show. Gary Weta previous co host of the podcast contacted his friend John and best of all who wrote this small film in the eighties called last starfighter And we screened it and had a conversation with him afterwards. I first of all that movie hold up. I was shocked. I showed it to my son a couple of years ago and thought the same. You're also bearing the lead that this was projected in thirty five mill- yeah they had A. I think it was eight reels of film in their area John Actually went into the projection booth and got to see. See Them Messing around with the film was unoriginal. Real I don't think it was an original release but they got it from one of the distributors that so good I mean it looks like you know anytime you put film up on a big screen you see all the defects and film but it looked good. Yeah and so. I hadn't seen it in the theater since I was maybe like eight. I don't even remember seeing it in the theater wore out. VHS tapes. So that's what I remember. That's exactly what Gary said. He said he wore out to VHS. Best of the of that movie Beyond the fact that it was a delightful movie to watch full of heart like doesn't have like weird eighties moments. I mean it. It has a few but it doesn't have any that are like cringe-worthy Just hearing John and Gary Talk about it and John Actually told the story of you've Gary watching it and calling him and so gary called him on the phone one day to talk about You know essentially rebooting or creating a sequel and Gary told him the story about being a twelve year old and watching this movie and seeing the end credits and it in one of the last lines lines of the credits. It mentions the last starfighter courtesy Atari. When they're talking about the the machine and Gary wandered around all all of London to every arcade he could find to find the last star fighter game so he could play it and save the Universe and Gary's dad was in the audience the ants nice and verify the story verified? The story is awesome and so it was just really delightful and seeing how much love they had for this film and all these people people showed up Talking about sort of personal experiences they had with it and they talked about the process of trying to go through and and getting a sequel made for it. I mean that was the reason Gary was there. It wasn't just because he's a big time filler and He loved this film. It's because he is actively looking for ways to get a sequel made with negotiating through the rights. They had which they have. It's about the financing. He they said it's complicated. A lot of the rights have reverted back to John which they actually said like in weird just the way. Hollywood deals are are made that actually makes things harder right But what they did say in. This isn't breaking any news news because they said it in public they actually have most of the story kind of mapped out. Oh what they would want to do. It's just making getting through all the machinations of of of getting in Maine and so whether gets made or not hearing that these who have kind of mapped out with like a story continuing for all these people that actually wore my heart enough. They shared Gary shared concept art months ago on twitter and that warmed my heart. I mean it looks good. It was the artists from rogue one. That did some concept art for I equal and just seeing the gun stars out again. Yes I mean this is how evil movies get made like creative. People have to create create pitches is and the commission the art themselves. It's not like some studio executives saying no find me concert artists and let's talk about starfighter. They are actively working with artists artists. Make the art and also use their pitch and to try to get this movie made and good luck. Good luck to him. It's awesome parish. That's thirty eighty five year old movie and there's a full theater on Saturday morning To Watch it and you know I'm sure some people were there because they wanted to hear the QNA but almost everyone was there just because they wanted to see the movie. There aren't enough movies. Were Gamers Save the world. You know that that is what I love. I love you do not seen the movie pixels. I mean obviously wargames exactly wargames. You've got the last starfighter ready player. One obviously obviously tron but how many others there needed to save the world or just that were. Well you're right. It was just a corporation like he won the corporation Asian back have you not seen Surf Ninjas one see they they they use the game gear and they play the game. It was a thing. There was a whole generation of nineties. Moves on my list. Yeah there you go also on your list. What you've been playing video games Jeremy? It's a lot of stores out the world right now of course walker coming out and just about a month's time we'll one month from today my Surroun- oh my gosh. We are recording this on Wednesday and but we have a almost an embarrassment of Star Wars in pop culture right now. Not only is there. The men delorean on Disney plus aired on VR. There's Vader Mortal episode three also outside the day today but also recently Djeddai fallen order big deal from respond from respond by published by EA available on steam. I might ask because there. They work out a partnership between origin and steam. They're back so this is the first I. Yeah this is the first jet game in quite a while you actually wheel the lightsaber like from the beginning. And where's it set in the timeline. It's between three and four after six. Yes and it's you know. It's like a stunningly beautiful game like that. I don't say that lightly because so many games are now. This is one of those big gains. Were the visuals. Just don't give up as you. I've been playing for twenty hours. Wow according to my steam log which is a real commitment. Most of that is actually one day when I had a free day and I said I'm going to do this and it just I got tired of just looking around. It's stunning but the game play is I mean I'm kind of I'm not one hundred percent on it. Like the combat I'm more of a Batman Prince of Persia kind of combat Gamer. I liked the feeling of being invulnerable doing button. MASHING INSOMNIAC and now you're balancing from character the character exactly this. I have not read any reviews of it to avoid spoilers but I understand that Stick dark souls saw this takes. Its cues from dark souls exactly to challenging game which I never played because everybody said it's so hard it's like borders on it pain actually case finishing the game. It's you get beat up a lot and the problem isn't so much that it's hard it's that there are these save points which are can be kind of far apart and I switched over to what they call story mode about halfway through And I have never over simpleton mode I have no regrets because I still get to do all the moves yet. I'm still superjet. I and I get to win all the battles like the first time through and I still have to do all the traversing like. That's another thing that kind of bugs me as someone who has limited time is. They're very very proud of these environments and so oh you do have to walk across them even after the levels over. I mean that's your thing you return to a planet with titanfall. It's about trussell system. Yeah and then wall running and it's fine you. There's a map system. I don't remember the last time I played a game with a map system but like I'm pulling up the map to review. How what's the shortest shortest path from A to B not an RPG though Ryan action game? Yes it's like a hollow map that your new ride has for by BB. One is like an awesome. They'll droid I can't wait to three pretty printing assume someone puts them on thinking brewers. But it's an amazing looking game the character development and the nations are some of the best I've ever seen and it's good good and it's just the time commitment and a little hord. Is the story any good. That's been my complain about previous edition. If I had to guess I would say yes us but I am so oblivious to story in games like this that I really there are these spires and there are planets. I'm going to and I have to get this. Like fidget spinner from the third spire and contains important information. And there's bad guys and I'm just playing the game. I mean I'm a quick player. This is the thing I it's from what This is the best playing agenda game sense. JETER night too DR forces three. Can you think of a jet game. Since then there's Jetta Academy which is well regarded as having the best lightsaber combat. I I never thought Kademi. You gotta turn on the The feature to allow decapitation there which there isn't in this game right and all I think about what I see these Games James I want to in VR yet. Well that was as soon as I got in the first environment. That's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah I kind of got over that and I'm enjoying the game but man and and I'm good. Obviously when we say that kind of thing most people who are familiar with VR should say no you need to join the game from the ground up and that is what I mean like. I wish that this this game was designed for hundreds of millions into making a triple a full length jet game yes for VR. They're not software. They can commit to that they need to. They need to sell awesome copies. Respond has been hired by Oculus to make to make game medal of honor. The NAUTICA star wars gave different franchise. Maybe a little safer yeah. It's funny because is this brings back fond memories of Jedi Knight Series To of course being the big high point. I think I'm one guy uh and I wanted to bring that back because watching the man Laurean makes me want more of a dark forces like show and it has a little bit of a dark forces vibe in that. There are no sorry for both know lightsaber. At least at this point like I like the Star Wars Universe with net without laser things I liked about solo would elect about rogue one You know which had the vader scene but so much of it with outlets ebbers. It feels cool. It's like you know it's the crime world and I think the gritty kind of the living universe spell. So you've been spent a lot of time on that. I did not play Jeddah order this weekend. Said I went into a convention and what to build Kahn which is a gun club and Mecca model making conventions very small convention. First Year that they rent it in San Francisco run by a retailer new type H. Q.. And was set the Westfield Mall so we did some filming at student here and then took a to ride over to the to downtown and got to chat with some some acres and Six sls custom models some building. Yes a lot of the open competition. People could bring whatever they had made a lot of people who had taken kits and assemble them and done mazing finish on them so just paint application to complication. itself is a big part of it. Some people may low dioramas from scenes using H. O. SCALE TRAIN MODEL sets to like to show you know fight scenes in ruins some guy even Took plate steel and cut like the St ruin of a skyscraper with with rebar and like real all Rome at all and that was really cool One one one builder. She'd Three D. Model and printed and finished her model from scratch because as a day job. She's a three D. model or for the video game mortgage a war frame and so a lot of that inspired design but it was just fun to chat with people and talk about. They're different bill techniques and kind of celebrate that snap fit world. Is that a video. You guys are There are three videos out three videos. We shot there one's already out and other to be Out later this week NATO yes Out and if you're in the bay area hopefully other one next year build con very fun. So that's what we did over the weekend. So let's get to you top story story this week but could it be. Have you coming off or coming off. Okay we can finally say this on. Ironically we options for top story about about this is the definition of the mean coming the life it is half life three. Oh it's not don't say that that is not don't have flight three. It is not half life three. Okay so you all probably know. The world knows now that on Monday. This is so sad that we are doing this the day before the notes I know we talked about moving the podcast so we couldn't because of schedules roles but it's GonNa be fun speculation and hopefully you know the what is it nine and ten. Am Yeah Ten am Pacific. They're putting a shower but vow at valve software somewhere. I like a new twitter. Account is adverse tweet them people had like wonder if it was a fake a fake tweet it verified it is verified it was launched as verified followed by steam with nine million followers and tweeted out that their new game am I gonNA go verbatim but they're they're announcing. This Thursday unveiling so presumably with a trailer is is our expectation at ten. Am Pacific Their newest game flag sexually game half life. Alex Alex. I don't see the the number three in there anywhere. Mr Hurry. You gotTa be close. Listen to your fan art though you've put up one hundred because that Alex you brought it was wearing a rift s index. Don't talk here so I think the reason they made this announce. I don't think my gut is that. They did not plan to tweet this out on Monday. What really that? They plan dropping this and we know no information. Let's be clear. This is not as playing coy. We don't know did not know this is going to happen. Yeah we haven't seen any of it. Although there were rumors that we had read that we had read yeah. PC gamer posted an article like on Friday before I think PC gamer posted a very widely spread article about the rumor that the game would be half like Alex that according to their rumor it was it was The trailer will be out in the game. Come early next year again as of now. Complete unverified but that was based off of basically like reddit threads and people people who may or may not be in the know posing on the shared Google document like a lot of things that was almost like a a ramp of escalation of buzz around the idea that something maybe happening this week to a point where vowed could not ignore it and they had to make a statement confirming it with this tweet. Oh so you think. They always a plan Dan to put something up on Thursday and surprise interesting and someone jump the gun. All right maybe Gamer latch on that story. Got Widespread I don't know. And why would they have to do that before the clicks but no I would they do this because because I think there's too much there's too much there was potentially maybe more going to be leagues. They want to control the story. Maybe Jeremy How many logos do you see up on that announcement. Yeah no you got three of them. Yeah it was also the same. I'm dave the OCULUS link Beta release. South don't care. I'm just saying valve. Don't care out was interesting. That's not a flex fine. I don't think I don't think that's I don't think. oculus linked Beta was not real news for anyone in the gaming world. This is real news for everyone in the gaming. So don't you think that undermines undermines the oculus linked Beta announcement. I mean obviously Veda is awesome where it gets a minute and I think it's important for people who have quest now but I don't think it was gonNA A B A purchasing decision. It wasn't like oh suddenly because linked Betas out people are gonNA flooding by quests. Yeah and now. They're holding off by the index. Oh you're saying maybe there's a correlation they don't in terms of like buying because they could play potentially this game on a quest now. That link is out. I think that's what you're I didn't. I didn't mean to imply that I've been to imply. Does there was a news cycle. There was this facebook news and then valve came in. I don't think they're related at all. I think it's pure coincidence. Environment I think valve was more mice. Option is that they put this tweet out because there was the esscalation in the rumors and it got to a point where they say something okay. Lynn cordless half life game in. VR Is half. It should be all right. Yeah so this is the thing we've been waiting. This is one of three flagship. Your names that was that I think gave had talked about. This is the one that when I went up to preview the index earlier this year they had said would be out by an of year. Oh interesting because at the back then they said in next coming out and we're not going to talk about the game but we have flex. VR Game that we will be announcing and releasing it and a year whether actually will be released because we are a month in. Listen month and a half away now from the end of this year may so what's worth discussing here because by the time our podcast is out. We're going to be hours away from the actual fund. This is still focused. Gus What what do you hope this game is well. My my thinking is that it's not GONNA v Episode Three Three two three okay because there was half life with orange box half like she was the last single player half-life of valid. Put Out and Airfoil Paul. You know the the writers are already. They've they've left the project there was a whole didn't wilpon go back. Did I imagine that I. I don't remember but there was a whole blog. Post with that had been put out the kind of burn the bridge for that story right they will replace the names. It was the basically the story outline for. What would have happened in episode three? Yeah and so in my mind. That's almost like a George Martin thing right if valve then without the original writers put something out in. VR As a single player game. That was is episode three. But the wasn't that story because they had a diverse from it. It all almost be like the difference between Georgia Armenia Martin's Books and what Benny often wasted with the a TV show like there'd be a divergence of cannon for fans will. Paul did return in January of this. I still don't think this is a continuation that story because is episode. Three was gonNA be Gordon Going to the Arctic the Antarctic and the ship rather and In exploring the mysteries there and this is not about Gordon Freeman. This is about yet. Alex Alex who presumably this is not a prequel. This is going to be in that time. I'm line where spoilers for half life two episode to Her Dad had died at the end of it but I can expect head grabs expected with same antagonists. I expect the reducing weird spatial stuff with the G man. Some have supposed will take place before half-life episode One one half of one so but there there was dog right. Remember the character. That was Alex Dog. I WANNA see dog. VR This this right. It'd be really cool. You're just going to end up playing fetch and we are going to be the whole point. They've refined it with the lab. Yeah so there will be doors. Here's here's what I my hope is that it's about some sort of VR mechanic slash mechanics Plural that necessitate VR. And that. Oh undoubtedly I don't really care what the story is when it takes place who had stars. Yes I just want game play mechanics that I haven't experienced VR yet but that could potentially be system sellers for board of VR headset. I mean I think the name itself is GonNa be a system seller and a lot of people are up in arms because well. That's the problem. Well the market the potential market for this is much much smaller than if it made a flat screen concert. PC GAME PC or console game but they can do whatever they want it's their Ip. I do hope it's not a diversion. If it's not like this is just half life. Alex aside story yet I would be more than happy if this was half life. Three is called half life three. I don't care what it is. I don't care if it's a if it's not half life I just want valve sanctioned. VR mechanics. You know what I'm saying that the mechanics me anything unless people interested in the story and the characters. There's and that's not true. I know because then half life wouldn't have been successful as it is right but in terms of getting people to pick up and try and play a lot of people may dismiss it because as if it wasn't half-life if they create a completely new ip and it had those mechanics people traditional games would not be picking up VR to try it. I sommese want people to pick up. VR To try. I suppose you're right. I think the as God's wrath is one as an example of a huge AAA game that was released for VR exclusively as also also a new IP got dismissed by the lodging by the larger gaming in general even though it is phenomenal people. It's up there as one of the best games of the year regardless of platform. Exactly Yeah you might have pointed this day and age you do need. Ip relationships or familiarity would know exactly in order to find in that kind of success. And I don't want the community the gaming community at large to dismiss this as just a side quest for for I love French. How big do you think it is? Do you expect it to be as long a game as half life to know that was I would be too if it's already twenty. If it was less than ten hours yeah ten hours a good marker that I mean that's a that's a solid game. I think I mean we've length is it's depends on what type of game they're making. We played storm in. We got through the crux of the single player in less than ten hours. And yes there was a lot more more but I don't think there's a storm on type game I do. I hope it's going to be more like an ass cars roth single player campaign. And they've done so well demonstrating performance capture of voice acting getting interaction models between environments in a I. I'm more curious about when they started working on this because the landscape has changed. Yeah and they've they've what gamers find acceptable. VR Number One teleportation versus free locomotion has changed. I would hate for this. To be teleportation and centric design for example budget cuts suffered because why has a really novel mechanic with its portals. Essentially by the time it got released people so comfortable with for locomotion that their form of their restrictive of emotion made it less interesting. uh-huh when can you imagine or none imagine can you remember another game in PC gaming histories that required a peripheral role as expensive as a VR headset. That was as high profile as half life. I think expensive. I think that's wrong wrong way thinking about it because we're not yes. Index is expensive right. You can spend eight hundred thousand dollars on the index for the full quality appearance but even if you go windows windows expounded headset for two hundred bucks. Find Find. That is a lot of money. And I'm wondering. Is there another game that has absolutely not not just benefited from but required peripheral. That costs. Two hundred dollars. It's not personal. It's your system coloring viewer. headset peripheral system. When it's the console okay fine whatever you WANNA call it the display device? I mean obviously we haven't required a new monitor a special monitor in order to play any other game in. PC's hits but you have existing system PBS system so it's not like buying an xbox you still need to have the PC graphics card Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah crisis there you go but those kind kind of scale crisis de extend the X.. Needed a eight hundred right G.. Force back then for the extend those twelve or five triplets. In every I. That's interesting that's interesting because every other game does benefit from that and then you open yourself to a whole world VR gaming. Ah That's the point. Yeah that's also interesting is I want to build on that though. So let's say this is a successful game valve has a track record everything else. People go out up by a Headsets that haven't had them before. It's an awesome game. What then like is there enough in the ecosystem to keep people feeling feeling like they got value out of that whole purchase? One percent does entire back catalogue of stuff pregnant wire here. Yeah I mean I actually think they need to get the release schedule Lake on a regular cadence to meet the demand because there aren't many triple A.. VR But. They're not doesn't do that. I know the valve doesn't play that game oculus. I think that's the pro. I think that's going to be the real issue is like people go through ten. Our experience have an awesome time and then want want another ten our experience. And it's really not there. Yeah well you just download revive then go play storm interrupts go trough right and they have promised valve has said they're working on two other titles. Yeah I don't know anything about release time frames but it is because your point is valid in that the approach between Oculus and their platform. And how they're getting people interested in. VR Core gamers into VR is very different than valves. OCULUS is more than happy to spend money seeding money in developing community to have respond and well known developer make a medal medal of honor of well-known game franchise game exclusive VR and make new IP games like storm land with well known developers like INSOMNIAC and make sense Aru to aid not well known developer. Make one of the best. VR Games out there right now. While valve is more than happy to exceed developers with hardware and access access in education information and trust that they're going to do it but in the real world chatting with developers it's still expensive to make games and the market hasn't proven itself so maybe the best value right now is create a market by encouraging. People to buy headsets. Whether it's the index or other headsets. Let's load up steam. VR mailer make an make a killer APP and then hopefully double the size of the player base. Yeah did you know by the early on the subject of half life and beyond that you can play half life in Vr right now on the quest. Did you yeah yeah. This is the lambda project. And if you if you put your quest you know in your computer plug it in and then you lit up. Side quest you side. Load the lambda executable or whatever the product is and then you copy over the game files from half-life. Could you buy it on. Steam use copy of the file play the whole game in Vr and it plays great like the entire first person you know campaign pain. People played it beginning to end saying it feels like a made for VR game. And it's been tastic. Oh you should try play the first couple of hours. I mean half life would be perfect with the physics exposal. Grabbing a gun has not going to happen but you can't play blue shift And the original half life. So what does that mechanic that you WANNA see in Half Alex. That's that's the point. It's like saying what this that's like saying. What do you want from the next Mario Game? I don't know Miyamoto's got the answer to that. I have no idea like this is to valve to come up with. I don't I don't think it's going to be something shocking. I think it'd be something familiar but the execution will be Polish this hell. Yeah that's my feeling. It's like half life. She wasn't the first physics physics game ever. It was the first really well and combine it with the story. People cared about Make it fun. Part of the game play. I feel like it's going to be a derivative on that. It's going to be physics with hand controllers. It's going to be forced powers essentially. I think you're basing that off of what you know of valves old games and also basically off the controllers rollers. They're going to design something. That's going to work. Best on index with cap sense with finger tracking. Yeah right an an an in the pressure sensor on on the controllers but it also can't not work just as fine with other tacos touch with reality headsets as well yeah so so like they can't make a game that's going to be the requires a subset of a subset. We'll see we will see and I look Ford to seeing on Thursday so predictions ten plus hours singles player coop. What do you think coop social being a big part of Vr? Oh that's it's a good question I would. I would guess not because they haven't done that before but who knows. Yeah I would want co up. I think that would be just killer that that would that would put this over the top and then ten hours. I'm glad it's half-life. I'm excited for part of me. Hope that the next thing is left for dead because I left for data seems like such a no brainer for coop VR. I mean Zombie Zombie. Yeah killing coop. Multiple shooter in. VR has is a killer APP right now the onward just was up two onward Pavlopoulos updated with Zombie mode built in and it's hugely popular and for the valve was able to do one with the game. Master essentially the MO controlling the zombies. That's left at is so ripe for that. Maybe it would have been a no bridge too much of a no brainer. But I'm hoping crossing fingers. That's something they're still working on. Got An all locomotion you could do. As as the infected right imagine pouncing thing as the hunter or grabbing with playing a heavy all the scale shifting stuff is it just feels like a numerator locomotion me is everything in VR games. And that's that's what I look forward to seeing from this half life alex game especially given the caps of the of the knuckles controllers. Look I I feel like need physics right and and what physics the physics of throwing manipulating objects. Okay sure but I want to be able to climb things I I liked that a lot of zero g works really well though. I don't know how you do that in the half life universe verse so much. Fetch what the dog and it's all a matter. Well a couple of hours from now will be watching the trailer and very being very excited about it but until then we can speculate all right from video games to TV and movies star Trek. This could have been a top story this week. If it wasn't for the Half Life Alex announcement but the Star Trek sequel is moving forward. The Abrahams for the Kelvin verse lives so while there had been stories of Gwen Tarantino. You know working on a star trek film with the story that he wasn't a clear GonNa right but potentially direct That apparently is still happening. He's harassing though. He's pretty yeah He's reducing this one. Oh no no. No here's Tarantino's guessing that. Yeah he came with the story not going to happen and that was going to be in the Calvin verse as well The fear that a star trek four which they had previously announced was GONNA be. I mean before going beyond came out there was there was going to be re reuniting of Kirk and his father Chris Chris Chris Pine and Chris Hemsworth that fell apart with through negotiations. Well they're gonNA move forward with another story Chris Hemsworth. I'm sort may not be involved at this point. Christine coming back and it is going to be written and directed by Noah Howley which I'm super excited waited about. Noah is has been the show runner for this show. Fargo a fantastic show really incredibly written and a personal favorite of mine and A Legion which has just been a sublimely. Weird show In its three season run. Foresees run just-concluded thus concluded So his writing is excellent. He made his directorial debut this summer with a movie called Lucy in the sky. And I'm I'm trying to be quiet about it because it was awful. You'd see it. Yeah I that's now. Portman inspired by real vents. Kinda crazy. Yeah Yeah now important and Jon Hamm. Yeah until by the fake NASA logos that it was not sanctioned by NASA. Yeah Yeah but I'm really excited about this. Because he writes really intensely personal well articulated content whether he can condense that into into a movie waits to be seen but having pine back onboard means like I think this is going to be a very kirk centric film the other. That's pointing thing. Is that previously pyramid. Announce that Estra Clarkson the director was going to be directing the next film and that would have been the first female director director of a star trek film and it sounds like that's no longer. I think she exited when the whole christmases exited. And she's a director of a new. Game Thrones Prequel. Oh and so like they. I don't think it was an option to bring her back You guys were flipping out about this news on slack is this and I hear you just. Oh that was okay. I thought you were really really. I'm really excited about John. Multiple Star Trek films are happening. Okay and that star. Trek Trek is flourishing because their star trek and because of the paramount. CBS All Star. Trek is under one roof now. You have discovery Picard which may be more than one season. He's in and you got movies like this is a good time to be a star Trek Fan. That's why I'm excited. I'm really excited about Noah Hawley coming into the universe. Because you've heard me Louis both rage just rave about an rage about legion for a long time. So I couldn't be more excited. I think he has. It's going to a hard to condense his writing style into a movie but I'm more than willing to see him. Take the risks. Do you predict we will have these kind of fast and furious action packed star Trek. No no this is not too fat too furious okay style. This is going to be much. More Person Rushmore. Cerebral like a real isolated space movie. I mean it's the themes that they've touched on in star trek me on the psychological effects of being on a five year mission making crazy. Yeah and that's that's a lot of Fargo with Salaam Legion speaking star Trek this is interesting on the TV side. CBS announced the Star Trek Internship program starting next year in partnership shop with the Television Academy Foundation This goes back to the roots of Star Trek and core values. And it'd be open to can developing new creative talents but this is an open program that people who are an Undergrad or Grad schools can apply to and they basically get a chance for me to to people every year to To insurance per semester. They'll work on a star trek series starting next summer and they'll get to be a part of every part of the production process from writing or job design onset production animation postproduction and basically cut their teeth in Star Trek. How do you apply got to be in school? Yeah but how do you apply one. So so you're in academy dot COM com slash internships. So you're telling me we can rian role in school and apply enlist in starfleet. It's literally called the Star Trek Command Training Program. I want to be part of this red squad. Let's get it together. Works don't Wesley crusher. I don't put don't comparison for too much antimatter. In in the ship's yeah. What was the the line from from what's name for Pike in Star Trek? Two thousand nine ten years ago. Now I dare you to be to be better than star fleet. I want to just for this few years too late for us to graduate EDGEWOOD students today even care about Star Trek than us but why because they watched at him not US cause they watched it on Netflix. They certainly didn't grow up with the way that we did first of all. That's a very limited view of the age range for graduate students there. I think you're way off base about the popularity of Star Trek continuing. Yeah yeah a friend of Mine Air Macdonald. WHO's not that far out of Grad School? I'll just came out with an audible book on the Science of of the Star Trek and like there's rampant popularity across the board came star trek good to know and it's also rapid popularity for comic book characters as well on TV. Were leading up to the five. EBBA SEWED MAXI crossover event crisis on infant infinite earths and we have the first photos of Kevin Kevin Conroy as kingdom come Batman. Now it looks like Kevin Conroy. No surprise there looks exactly like there's a little bit of a shoulder armor we saw in the Alex. Ross King kingdom come Batman. But you know it's it's GonNa be it's GonNa be all about the voice. It doesn't have the same stature. As the kind of Batman that was drawn in the comics but excited for nonetheless also very excited for the Brandon. Ralph return as kingdom come Superman. I'm a couple of photos of that. He'll sorta good as superman he does he always did. Yeah but I think this this new suit that they've made for the series of this crossover looks really good if they've added some way to his hair but I'm excited for. It's going to be at least at least three different superman because not only do you have the Super Bowl Superman. You also have the brain route superman and Tom Welling. There's a photo of Tom. Welling also as Superman as a barn to mean that's very appropriate right for the mobile. Yeah Do People Foley Care About. Superman fell walked right into it. How about Star Wars towards people care about star wars heck yeah skywalker movies out in exactly a month? It's also hitting the covers of magazines. Entertainment weekly did a three different cover edition of their latest issue like those covers and with new interior. Set a new set photos to and there's some set fights it's five. I'm going to put them up on the screen to spoil anything in my in my alone of the three covers like the original trilogy speaks the most to me or you guys on the same page about that. or they're all composites zits photoshop jobs. Yeah but still I think the recent Trilogy looks good too. Yeah I mean all you're saying. Is that the approach coach. prequels look terrible not not surprising. We've got some new costuming. I like fins new costume. Assume there's a lot to saturated nice colors in this and which which something we did see in the trailers I think the the cinematography is GonNa be really nice. In contrast cemetery is GonNa be nice in the New Star Wars movie. It's GonNa Lush. I'm with you. I think it's GonNa be a lush aspect to it. Yeah in the force world on a contrast trust with some of the bleakness when they face the antagonise judge says that they're ambitions are even higher for this movie. I mean in. They have been so you know what's cooler than a billion dollars. Jeremy what not GONNA make really. It's how are we talking box office. What do you think this movie's GonNa make? I'm no good at that game. You mean domestic or total total. I think it'll be in like dome. One point six one point seven that that would that would put it in close to the highest of all time. I think over to right well. What was as the force awakens? Good question do you think we'll beat the voice awakened. I do first of all ticket. Prices have gone up second of all. I think it's going to be a better movie force. We can say exactly actually two point zero six billion the only thing. I think it'll be short of it. The force awakens was a big deal because it was a long time since star wars. Yeah I think it'd be one point nine one point. Eight billion globally lovely. I don't think it's GonNa hit endgame level but SARS movies or special as as Bob says going to be lasted. I only hit one point three. Yeah so we'll we'll be hired that for sure. I'm surprised they split chew in Hana on this entertainment weekly on the Photoshop positing. You know it's just it's just about Zion movie poster. They got their canvas Saul Goodman. Don't you feel the logo in the poster Chewy. Not being next to Han. Said something about one happened for the original trilogy edition of it. I liked it. A wicked got included contractual obligation. Oh we watched willow. Oh this past week. Oh yeah which. I don't know if you guys busy. Plus remember willow. Yeah totally undeserved. Plus that was it was a it was a lot of fun although my my nine year old daughter's been complaining about the amount of stabbing and murder that she had. I mean our exams with Disney. That's a fair point right. Like let's agree. The rise discover card also has a new poster. This is a collectible poster for Dolby. Cinema I love this gorgeous. I screwed it once Khashoggi up there it shows alone x wing against a sea of you like this start a story. I don't know it feels a little comic book to me. That's why like this is not a theatrical. Poster is not collector of the Freebie. You get if you could watch and Dobie cinema. Got It when they do. I Max posters not going out there. Let's not do you want me to put up a union google. If if you want your whole now spoiler yeah and then Disney announced five new marvel movie release dates through twenty twenty. He three but not the movies themselves. Not The movie just placeholder. It'll slots now. We know that some of these movies are in the works like gardens a galaxy three ant hitman three and Captain Marvel to and of course Kevin Foggy comecon the drop the names of blade fantastic four x men and dead poll technically technically is NCA. Any of these movies could be put in these in these released eight slots I'm I'm sure none of it's even figured out yet because they're all in various states of pre-production so why release these dates because it's about how movie industry works. They gotta have their foot and San for like this is. We're holding this weekend. We claim this week. It's kind of a courtesy to the other studios not really courtesy of more like a warning. Yeah it's it's definitely a warning shot it's like you can try. Yeah go ahead and put your fast and furious movie out this weekend but you know what I think. Your audience space is going to be watching our movies instead. Yeah so oh I mean one of the things that also the juggle is the release schedule for the Disney plus shows and we're getting this with a little bit of the men Laurean because Merman Lawrence. It's being released on a weekly basis at least in the US again. Apologies for those of you in the UK who don't get it saw end of March next year but episode seven of the men. Lauren are seven. Seven of the eight episodes. Run will be moved up a couple of days because normally it'd be released on Friday but that Friday is a release of rice skywalker. I Walker and say don't want people at home watching me on the Laureano Disney plus waiting for the drop rather people in cinemas skywalker which also gives them opportunity to kind of have things that happen offer maybe influence or maybe things kind of dovetail with the TV shows and that's just in star wars with marvel multiple TV shows and Kevin said you'll need to get a full picture of the MC you. You'll need to watch the shows we haven't ever seen that done Taken that to another level though where the movies actually take place in the same universe in timeframe. TV show and then they're like these major movie moments and then a season of slower storytelling that evolve to another peak for the next movies. Were you saw glimpse of it with agents of shield which while owned by Marvel was not what part of the. Mc You the ahead Colson of course but it's kind of almost an alternate reality because it was on ABC show different show runners all that gets folded in in the future but they had right after infinity war the snap you know. The ramifications of the snap hatch were shown literally the week after on agents of shield. Oh also there were a little bit of you know I don't think we're pollination I mean but we're not going to get that here the timeline O'Brien delorean's is so far away enormous driving. I like that idea that could be taken further by Disney. It was also opportunity the HBO could have had with. Game of thrones. You know build up to a big movie event every year and then get people to washed. TV show afterward an HBO movie like on Hbo. No in theaters. It's up to partner with the distribution part of NATO's owned by Time Warner Att so it should be WB movie. And I'm sure the all business into figuring out the economics of this stuff is why it doesn't happen by the way just for fans benefit Europe to date on Mandala the Laura you have watched I have watched okay and the only thing that I will say that surprising about the second episode is that it was a thirty three minutes yes shorter yeah I I suppose it's forty one minutes and you know if they were going for that forty minute with you know so they could be released in different territories with commercials. But they're kind of going wildly overplayed love that. I'm sure farrow loves hopes that to freedom of whatever lengthy need look. I'm all for freedom of link. This little filler. Really it felt to me like more conclusion than I expected I I wanted to spend more cliffhangers and just like you know you gotta tune in next week but this felt much more like a conclusion to the first episode and I felt good after it but I talking to a longer first episode that they spread out into what it felt like it could have been tided the first episode. Yeah anyway were sort of watch it back to one. Brother's in DC. This this is weird. I'm this also could have been a top story this week but we had tweets tweets from Gal Gadoe Ben Affleck and Zach Snyder on the Hashtag. Release East the Snyder Cut. I know on the anniversary. The two year anniversary of Justice League coming out but the momentum that this is also Hashtag of a misspelling released the cinder cut that people just misspelling this enthusiasm for what may not even exist. A version of Justice League that was before we came in and did some rewrites before those re-shoots with with theoretically finished visuals which I don't think that would be even possible but the fact that three of the principal people involved the film to actors and the director himself two of whom one of them is still heavily involved contractually in the one of those family. Yeah give some credence to the theory. That Warner Brothers is strongly considering this in maybe even considering putting out this as a HBO. Max Exclusive Snyder Cut. Let me just tell you what this will accomplish. It will remind people of how bad that movie was. I don't think he's going to save it. It's GonNa make it worse. Well I duNno by that. It's going to remind people how bad this movie it like. There's blade runners in a precedent for this were they released director's cut without the voice over commentary. Yeah and everyone loved it so maybe maybe something as simple as that. I think a lot of fans were not happy with Justice League as it was released and are hoping and put so much faith in in the images and the glimpses they saw. What sex neither there had working on and are hoping that that would save their their hope for the film and what they hope that they put into a Justice League film? I don't think they're GONNA be satisfied. And I don't think that h one brothers would want to invest the money needed to get those special effects because the pipelines are all done. Yeah they can go back to the effects companies and say oh load up that visual effects foul give you some money to finish that work and make the scene. You know how much it would take to fix US film about three hundred million million dollars so they can just reshoot it with a new script. Okay they might be serious doesn't affect bat it would be in the tens of millions the effects budget and that will be all marketing money if they were to use this as a way to sell. Hbo Subscriptions So it's again it's an economics game if feel like it's worth it. It's not going to be a theatrical release. I mean this. This is just a conspiracy theory if they do that on. Hbo Max like a few people might sign up out of curiosity. It's not gonNA driver of subscription again. This is all about this is about the the the spreadsheet the calculus they have to do and if the numbers work out the do it because they're the studio and if the numbers don't work out it won't happen back. That snacks. Zack Snyder. Ben Affleck and Gal Gadot have put it out there. I think gives a little bit more momentum. I think it was a sponsored tweet by BBC at this point out a the Ben Affleck and Yeltsin do cowgill for sale. I mean they're all employees. I don't know this piqued my curiosity. I if it's out there fine I would just be happy that the the constant in clamoring that I see online for it would finally come to an end because people can see that okay it is what it is. Let's move onto the next thing. There are other DC movies coming Out that you can get excited about this autumn into. There's a wonder woman to coming out and WREXHAM BIRDS OF PREY coming out like in a few short months. Yeah let's IT'S A it's a claim has been and speaking of Harlequin. The joker one other is now apparently in development of of a sequel to Todd Phillips Joker because it made a billion dollars it's the highest grossing movie of all time. Congratulations and it makes it like costs. Under hundred million it is more profitable for one or others than endgame was for Disney. Think about how much bigger staircase they have to find. The sequel were there special effects in it. Not Really I mean there are some like you know smattering of of sort of like fighting and and stuff and gunshots. I wouldn't call that really special effects. I mean the reason always cheap is because there really wasn't there's like people in makeup and it was the it's the superhero film the Comic Book Film For People Who don't watch comic Book Films Movies. I should say this movie. Well they're gonNA make choker to And taught Phillips apparently is also think about developing another DC comics character to tell the story of in the vein of joker his joker so another artsy grittier. Who would you want? What character? Yeah I know who I want towing victor freeze. Oh that's good. That's that's good. I don't think he would go to rose gallery though you victor freeze. Mr Freeze is not a sympathetic character. backstory but it's not a a name that they could be. They could sell the movie around like the river easy. That's the name of the movie freeze. No Advice Oh yeah Oh yeah that's the name the mind. Yeah what am I doing. I apologize on all right. Let's move on from that Speaking of other DC stuff black Adam. There's a release date the rock to put this on instagram. So they have a release date of what is it. Twenty One twelve holidays twenty to twenty one perfect pounder. So there you go Sam and its concept art of the Rock Hill pretty hold by then brock as Black Adam perfect casting ask yeah of course of the last movie news anywhere. Front of tested signed a deal with breath. Chris Miller Directors of lego movie of Twenty one twenty two jump street and early version of Solo to develop his is the his new new idea. It's not going to be artists arms. I think it already is optioned but this is going to be another hard science site a a hard science movie. We've no idea what it is. Is it a novel. He's planning to right or is this a original screenplay I think it's original screenplay hotdog original idea And I don't think anybody was writing screenplay idea and screaming hired Oh. Andy won't write it. I mean you will write it and then it'll get adapt. Yeah he yeah. He didn't write the Martian. Either those truecard in but give input. I'm sure that the reason they're they're working with him is to have have him. Develop those ideas and cool. And I'm really not read the words Andy's always had slightly sarcastic deprecating characters that fits with with Lord Miller. This is great about this very excited. I'm excited to learn Miller. I think I love Andy I think he needs to be paired with breath directors that have unique vision and can execute. Okay doesn't everyone yeah sure. Yeah Oh last busy. Plus I don't know if we talked about this last week. We had. Yes the joke. Yeah so come out and said they're GONNA fix Simpson's aspect ratios and we're GONNA get four by three win again again next year. You did it good job. It tells me that Disney was not prepared for so much of a plus launch. We have their numerous technical issues with it. It's not really yeah. I'm getting the double play back problems. Now the watchlist stuff none of that. There's so much which room for improvement in the viewing experience the contents there. But I think they're op needs a lot of work and I think a lot of it was kind of like database in Injected from what they had from FX and their current archive of whatever the reps are and so it wasn't as thoughtful could offend. The encoding is better than any other service. I've looked at like I've gone up with a microscope and looked at the screen on my four K.. And I I don't see compression. Noise like vision in the dark scenes. It's remarkably good. I think men Delorean as a big middle finger to HBO in terms of the compression and whatever Kodak everything is bureau doesn't even use that is okay but they're compression stuff is horrible. All kinds of noise came at thrown. Show So yeah good good stuff. But you're saying about the Simpsons Simpson's will be the four three. Hopefully you'll still be the the feel of the scanned Renault's in hd version and how about that. 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Oh it is it is it just wasn't part of the reviewers they expanded expanded out the launch site thank you so and they did a whole Beta rightly you open your chrome chrome browser and try to play Aussie kind of push the limits of that and we're up to this November launch where people paid one hundred thirty dollars for a founders addition right in which you get a stadium game controller you you get chrome cast ultra the one that will work with stadium at launch and then you theoretically pair that to the ultra or plug it over your speech to a computer or or play it with a pixel phone actually have one right here and this claw here which is mount is sold by Google but not part of the founders under suspicion and the idea is launch you can pay ten dollars a month to get four K. Sixty F. B. S. Games. HDR Games on your TV or Max South the resolution on your laptop or the the phone not the experienced one was not what they promised to the game selection is quite poultry poultry. They announced previously. It'd be twelve games at the last minute literally like a two days before launch Sunday night. Send our press release we now twenty two games TMZ or giving you two games now Dunay two which is free for everyone already and summer showdown which great and there's games like assassins creed metro which are Exodus Redid Russia redemption too. So you can buy those games on stadia and play it streaming but the people who were founders. One of the big part was that okay. I'm a founder hundred dollars in because I want to reserve my username. And they're going to send out your codes in the order of which you placed your preorder. No did you norman. I did because I was on the reviewers program so me along with a bunch of other reviewers got a week to use it but people who had put money in we're waiting and didn't get their codes and so even after some people who had preordered like two months ago and there was an like you can go on the threads in our stadium and people are tracking hour by hour. Whether they've gotten their coats some the hardware had to be hand delivered because people even if they preordered the shipping wasn't guaranteed to arrive day. One day watch. I feel that will be forgiven in time. How is the actual experience of using? Well not only that the features that they had announced half more there right like there's features that they blog posts about about how you could be watching a youtube video of someone playing a multiplayer game and then plus button in the youtube window and then jump into their game in your chrome browser. That sounds pretty cool. Yeah not there. The ability for you do twitched. How watch streams of like your favorite people playing games and kind of composite them in a virtual space is not there so much stuff not there and also the promise of four K.? Sixty PSI put one. Not really there. I was was able to do a as much testing as one. This but digital foundry check like read every option really rendering not really four K.. Really at the four hundred. Forty P version they weren't we're getting consistent sixty. FBI CAPTURE ON JUNE thirtieth. PS is that were they banned with limited. No no that's what they're running on the server side Laptop stuff is even limited committee right now skilled up and yeah the promises that they're stream because it's complicated right. This what they're sending out in terms of the video signal may be different than what they're rendering wondering on the server side so their promises that we're going to be doing input at six year one twenty so we're going to try to minimize latency there. We're going to be rendering even doing super sampling. So we're GONNA get the best fidelity graphics and then when that streamed over to your side even that's eighty and using like a like a twenty megabyte connection or something. It's still going to look the best. Can Lot of these games the hi. I'm very taxing high end games. Red Dead especially are not looking looking nearly as good on screen. TV has anyone done. Real scientific latency testing did you foundry had some and you're thinking about fifty milliseconds less which Sorry fifty dollars against more latency than than local hundred local connection. Okay now I'm going to caveat and say that I don't think this replacement for big screen console gaming when I I think at least launch right now and I don't think it's a replacement and for desktop gaming especially on laptops or desktops where you're putting yourself much closer to you've you've a big monitor like you WanNa see native resolution to your monitor games. Not just tentative upscale to your four K. monitor or your two point seven k monitor the place where it shines is is mobile gaming. Basically the setup that I have here is where I like stadia the most year. But you don't WanNa play on a phone sometimes. Yeah playing mortal combat in plain red dead online on my couch or in bed on a phone feels like magic and I'm very lucky in that area and I have high speed Internet and I'm not getting lazy problems. Folks like at Washington Post and Forbes have gotten but that fuels magical that I can play read De Long. You know fifty our game something anytime and the disappointing. The only thing is that I'm not if I'm doing it this way. I'm not going to get the fidelity as good as an xbox one x when I wanNA play on the TV. I mean. Is there a little bit of like popping down a thousand dollars for a phone like this makes economic sense instead of buying like a console game like the the the system for all of this kind of stuff and so I don't think about the world that way like I haven't been thinking about like do I get a phone or do I get a game system. Those feel like different budgetary items. It's for people who they expect people to jump to already have laptops an phones. Yep and it's not every you know it's not it's not on every Phone it's on chrome browser and chrome chromebooks whatever laptop. You can have a chrome browser on and on. TV's it's chrome cast. Ultra only right now so. I don't think it's an indictment on cloud streaming as a concept which I know a lot of people are very against because of the rights or right there's no raise management. Where if you stated goes away there's no guarantee that you get your content that you've paid for? They could have done a lot of just throw money at the problem and say publishers. Let's put a safety net here to to a Swedish fears if we go. If stated goes away will you know give everyone origin codes or e is on on CD but like everyone ubisoft coat. It's one step Promo Code even from digital purchases. I mean digital purchases. Keep you from the art right off the secondary market entirely. Like if you were used to buy a physical product you can at least resell it when you're done with digital purchases you can't and with this you you don't even know if you'll be able to play that digital purchase tomorrow it's like you know how on books e books and audiobooks it started off really rough and there was a lot of debate about which platform people life books like physical books so they're aware about e books and now it's kind of all figure out where people basically get if you buy the the book the book essentially by the by the CD you get the download track where you get the digital. You buy the BLU ray you get fiscal media and you get the I tunes version. That's where we should get to a point where and Microsoft might be in a better better position and do this with their ex cloud stuff or if you buy the game as a digital download on xbox you also get to Jewett on X. Cloud Yeah it just. It's they're incentivized to do that. Because it's very expensive to set up these cloud streaming services when people are already spending the money on game copies of the Games right now on the hardware so the basics on stage yet. Do you need to have their controller. No you can plug in plug in Switzerland such controller on your laptop plugged Microsoft control by whatever and then do I need to subscribe to the service or by Games all card. Not you duty subscribe right right now. The free version which captured ten eighty won't launch the next year. And I feel like that's the version that is gonNa make or break stadia. Okay because that's the version where you're not committed to ten dollars a month you can sign up get your user account cap the ten. ADP which is sixty fine. You don't get sixty. FBI YOU DON'T THIRTY FBI PS one. Yeah Wow okay. I'm surprised that would expect to eighty sixty for free if I if no I'm I'm not. I'm buying the game if you owe right but you're not buying the service. Yeah this is again where there's a lot of a lot of unhappy customers is tricky. So I ah it's too early. I wish they'd just called it. A Beta soft launch and founders. Dish doesn't mean Beta it. It's tough in gaming console world where the playstation logic this it will be dead on arrival. You there's no comeback you know. They're used to as a company. That's technology company releasing products and rolling out features. But but I don't think that works for Gamers speaking of Cloud Streaming X. Cloud coming twenty twenty those big thing cool cool windows ten twenty twenty and Yeah we'll be testing that I mean there's also G. Force now on the site and they're a bunch of clouds streaming services that you can in pay right now you know a little more expensive but basically I twenty twenty five dollars a month to have a high end gaming. PC in the cloud that you can run in any program on with some dedicate storage and just run it remotely like this is available now and you can meet insults team and buy your games there. Oh totally all right some fun stuff. A razor announced that razor fold. It's a real thing It is bending screen. Same form factor as the classic razor but a very narrow long tall screen with a custom version of android. You basically get in normal android phone folded in half or like slightly smaller android phone that folded in in half. Are you going to get this phone. Because you're not a chance. Not Fifteen hundred dollars what that is not a chance part much of Reisen. Isn't it next month. Wow this I don't know I it's like this is more of a nostalgia play than it is a realistic. It's a prestige product. It's knock doc. It's going to be for people who have so much money. They want to buy something new and different and a couple of years down the line. It's going to be put in science fiction films as I. I do think like if they're able to demonstrate the foldable technology as being resilient and able to just withstand the everyday use use. This could be interesting. In retrospect I still don't think it's a meaningful product for for android users. That's too bad last week. The macbook sixteen inch pro was announced and the reviews out now as well as tear downs. I fix a tear down and Most importantly only the keyboard of course is back to the butterfly. Sorry what is not the butterflies. Not The it's the old school so it's the old scissor bizzare switch. We liked that we do like it. There's a little bit of more travel phil show has been going around doing some interviews talking about designs and the feedback from the pro community. He doesn't excuse the fact that the other macbooks currently like the air and thirteen inch pros still use the butterfly design and so They should not get away with the fact that this should not be rewarded for four this again. A botched keyboard designed That did not I really listen to users. So it's it's on the high inside. It really sucks for those of you. Who are looking for a smaller laptop this holiday season because not everyone can afford need that sixteen inch macbook pro? I checked it out. Went to the apple store screen like that escape key. Yeah Yep yeah. Yeah and if you're not market probably I'd say still wait a year for the new on until processors these processors already a uh half of your old unless like your keyboard is just that bad for you. Don't buy Mac. Yeah well I mean saying if you have one right now and it's just killing killing you. Also ounce smart battery cases for the iphone eleven of lines though like when Lebanon Lebanon pro and the Pro Max expensive one hundred thirty bucks and what's new though. There was a dedicated button on external external side of a case essentially also battery pack. That's for a camera. It's IT'S A it's to launch the camera Newman Yeah that's okay. I mean th. That's more knowledgeable at that. These phones are primarily sold. Now the killer APP is much messaging but it's for photography. How does that communicate with? The phone is a Bluetooth is it. Some sort of wireless connection connection that nobody knows about. I think it's over lightning because they're plugged into my knowing din. Oh that's how it charges. Not Out of his. Yeah Yeah Yeah I wouldn't be inducted. Okay Gotcha Yeah. It's over lighting which you love or hate it it is what it is leading could be so much faster. Redesigned light does UC. It'll be back to. UCSE you think so next year. If you have an Amazon Smart Speaker assistant democracy its name. You'll be able to access spotify free on it soon. That's cool so for. US users was a licensing deal thing. Or if you're good that out that's a plus a the negative side of the Amazon's thing. Well they also own ring and ring has come out and acknowledged that The police law enforcement can request. Request your video from ring up to. What is it ten days around when an incident happens and they can keep that video forever? I'm sorry not twelve hours of video from anyone. Within half a square mile of a suspected expected crime scene covering a forty five day time span. Well so if crime happened half mile from you forty three days ago they can get your video a twelve hour block of your video and keep it forever and I'm not. It's not clear that you're going to know that the police got this. So I think there's GonNa be a lot of variation state to state this is. US only by the way. I'm not a fan of this at at all. especially if there's no user notification that law enforcement accessed your video records yeah exactly. I don't would go a long way. I don't have a problem with this. Although I would like notifications I think the notification is like a really big issue. I think I'd rather have notification but I don't know I don't have a problem with this. Well I think well it's not Jeremy Nicely have a problem with it for what it means for other people. Yeah yeah they don't have a say there's no consent here and it like it gets really close to unlawful search and seizure. I think just because it doesn't affect you personally Salihi could affect a Lotta people. They all right big week for cars as well Ford nounce the Mustang Mach e they had said previously that the trucks. They're they're very well with the F.. One fifty but on the inside. 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